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Ep157: Navigating Life Post-Quarantine

So, Here's My Story...

33:31 min | 9 months ago

Ep157: Navigating Life Post-Quarantine

"The one commitment you have to have is to listen, and then the other is doable. Business is messy and unpredictable sometimes lowly. And inspiration can often come from really weird places. We pick up where the bullet point blogs and the highlight reels. LEAVE OFF! We start with stories. So. Here's my story. Last week I did my first facilitation post Covid, so I've done a couple. like virtual facilitations I did strategic planning, and those have had their own challenges trying to do that sort of thing. Virtually with with using trying to make shared visuals with shared screens, and all that kind of stuff, so that is absolutely been challenging but this past week. I did my first ever in person facilitation and we're going to be about. Yeah, yeah, you're like I don't understand. Oh, yeah, in person. Yeah, there's so many layers to this that we could tackle because it it. I have enough to think about when I'm going to do a facilitation with a group of people. This added forty seventeen layers that I'd never had to think about before, and it was just kind of mind bending actually but I also think it's a little bit of a preview to some of the things that we have to think about That was walking I was like I might be one of the first people to be doing a like a workshop facilitation in this environment and Armstrong quote prepared. Loved a boardroom. Notes from the trenches. It was really interesting. I mean there are a couple quick layers. We're GONNA be twelve of us. And actually a couple ended up not being able to come, we were. Only like nine or ten that that was helpful but it was going to be outside. 'cause they have a big patio deck kind of thing, but then of course it rained, so we had to move inside so immediately right away. Mike, Concern came up for because facilitator. Specially I think anytime. You're hosting meeting. People probably feel this way, but especially if it's the facilitator, I'm always thinking about. Everyone's I don't comfort like. Is Your Chair mushy enough but? Ease like do they feel comfortable being in the space to have the conversation have I. You know normally, it's things like do they feel outnumbered. If there's any kind of contention on the topic or those kinds of things, but in this case you know my immediate concern was well if someone agreed to come, because it was going to be outside, and they felt safe with that Do they now not feel comfortable? They feel peer pressured area. They feel like they. They can't say no or they're hesitating to say no, so that was already at and if somebody's. Feeling. Antsy and dodgy. That is not going to exactly bring out there most creative. Nuance thinking for for these kinds of things so as my first concern. so as it got closer and I knew that was gonna be the case here, so my other concerns I didn't think I wasn't sure people would be able to see what I wrote on the whiteboard like. Can I write large enough on the whiteboard that they'll be doing nine or ten people social, distanced correct, and before I end because I wasn't sure whether it would. I knew what the space looked like, but until I got there, I wasn't confident about how far people would be should be spread left to right versus back, and what? That would mean Because so anyway. I just I could see that going either way, and if you're too far to one side, you can't see if too far back. You can't see and that actually ended up being not so bad. Handy tip little little note that I remembered from my architecture days. Standard ceiling tiles are two by two. So every three ceiling tiles? If ever you're someplace and you're feeling. Uneasy or you're not sure how far six feet is. If it's a standard ceiling tile place, you can kind of see. Where that or four by two, but I get the point I always show semester room. Exactly exactly so so we got that down. and. That was okay with that. Because I wasn't sure, people would be able to see the things. I also thought well for these couple of components that are really important, and I want them, and they're things that are already. Generated in advance I'm going to go ahead and make handouts. I printed out the handout so that if someone couldn't see, they could see these initial things. and which we're like review of what had been discussed before. And then as I got there I was like. Oh, I can't just pass these out. In the moment. Got You know. The person I handed. You might be fine, but then they might pass them. Someone who's like I don't WanNa touch that then we'd have this weird thing about like. Can you pass them on to the next person? River so laid them out on their desks with a little sticky. That said not yet. They didn't want them turning him over. Until it was that part of the of discussion and interestingly, some people didn't touch those either and they didn't need them because they could see them so i. don't know if that was just comfort, but. Point being and let's not even worry about the park. Is this part won't really Stretch over into things. People who aren't facilitators have to think about, but. Every single strategy. I have so that a four hour meeting isn't boring where people are just sitting. In a space almost like a classroom, we couldn't do so like and also they're not just for that purpose. They're also to like surfaced thoughts from more than just the people who will chime in with their every thought, so we couldn't break down into small groups where you discussed a thing, and then lake shared each groups We couldn't couldn't gather in small groups I. There's a couple of stickies exercises that I do to kind of make the the brainstorming work I didn't think people would feel comfortable with that and how that would work, so it was pretty paralyzing. In terms of what my choices were. About will the other the other thing I believe so you can create my own, but it's. It's also hard to ask. Somebody asked the group. Would you feel comfortable because people like to your point about somebody feeling outnumbered. outnumbered. You don't WanNa. Be that guy who really does feel uncomfortable, but doesn't WANNA raise their hand and say well I I. Don't want to touch this sticky because that's really super awkward. And that was my entire come from. Is that I? I was trying hard to not ask anyone to do anything that they were uncomfortable with and also not gauge in the moment by some sort of survey, raise of hands whether I was just I was opting towards. The lowest level of making somebody feel uncomfortable and I will say it's not like that the state of the world forever and ever that this is. There's a lot of unknowns that I think will become a little bit more known ish as we go ahead like some of this stuff will start to kind of pare down I. Think but in trying to think of every possible. Awkward situation that I might put someone in. It really did paint me into a very tiny corner of Jen one more thing that that was really telling and really surprising I didn't see this coming is Because we were inside. We all were masks because agreements I've four hours. That's a long time and. And I'm talking talking talking so I, knew I was going to wear a mask. No matter what, even if other people felt comfortable, not wearing them. Because I didn't WANNA. Make someone else uncomfortable. And guess what There's actually an enormous amount of human emotion and thought and communication that happens with more with the mouth venue composite and I don't mean verbs words Like watching people's eyes is helpful, but so much of the interpretation of whether they meant that in A. Teasing way or snarky way, or if they're bored or they're frustrated or if they're Dylan, the blank with nine other other varieties of how someone might mean the things that a words they just said. It boiled down to this I. Think the is kind of indicate intensity of a feeling, but the mouth is where you really see whether somebody says something and they're like la or if. Like this kind of like. It's very much of visual. Which is kind of the point, so but the important thing about that was. Communicating in a nuanced way with masks is really hard. There's there's absolutely some gaps there. No, they're they're. Absolutely would be explained because I go back to the the The images the old time images of a bank robber, right? Range anytime. You wanted to hide your identity. You have something over your eyes and. Can't tell who you are. Now because covering his eyes, but at the same time, and so that might be a way to really recognize somebody but I do I do believe it's people are lot or expressive, very often with their mouth or jaw. Whatever than they are with their is because a Lotta you can tell, and sometimes it's the composite because you can tell when people are smiling but not. Not with their is yes, yeah, right and so if there's a disconnect between the two that really tells you something you know, and that's kind of what I met with the intensity like a full outs. Somebody's truly full out smiling. You see it in their eyes, so you get that enter if they're kind of giving a polite smile, there is a pretty dead and so. Just, recognition you know it's not like. A joke, but they're they smile. They recognize the situation. You're talking about whatever that doesn't necessarily travel all the way to the is you know of that intensity of emotion so exactly exactly and so there was an and and there's there's a kind of like the smirke smile. That's really not meant as a smile. That's that's meant you more on a snarky way. That doesn't really make it. The snark doesn't make it to. The is the Guinea kind of need to see that that. SNARK smiled are not even mean snark it just. Kind of Harare fi sort of like you know, somebody disagrees with what is sad, but I will tell you that and I've had conversations with people were wearing masks, and I'll make more of an effort to do things that I hadn't done before like nod more. Before had done that or yes, so there there is an effort to. Compensate. And one of those ways that was also kind of. I won't say A. But it just because you have to you, you really can't not make eye contact. More which I'm not someone who avoids eye contact. Don't think do so. I'm kind of surprised to be making that statement, but but it is your only vehicle. Other than the words that you're hearing to be so you really do have to more kind of stare at people's eyes, versus like fleeting eye contact with a little bit of like looking around it. It's not unlike watching a movie with subtitles where you know. If you unless you speak the language you really do. You can't look at your phone for a couple minutes you can't. Wander into the kitchen to get a drink while you're still listening to the movie, you really have to stay there. All the screen and it felt a tiny bit like that, too Not that's not to say that there weren't plenty of moments right didn't need to be like directly. Reading someone's is it doesn't work like that, but in the moments where I needed to get a bead on someone beyond just what words they were using. You really do have to Kinda stare them down to try and read what's going on, but what? I'm also interested and outdoor, I WANNA make sure you don't get away from. Is You're talking about the different? Rules whether it's the the stickies or the handouts and who touches what? I'll tell you I've seen that, so so you had your facilitation on Friday I had the first time I actually sat down with People from my firm, just four of us in the Patio restaurant in Hunt Valley. Or some I got together with. That down to conversation with somebody outside of my family nine months and So we were, we were at the Iron Rooster in Hunt Valley, and they did a really good job of laying out all their rules. Everything is disposable. and. They said take this menu. That's outside and. We're GONNA. Just throw it away. Everybody buses own tables and. Now Anyway, but you notice. There are certain things when I thought well. That seems to be a little over the top, so for example. When the meal came to an end, we had coffee so there were they brought sugar in a in A. IT looked like a cup of soup paper container, so they put sugar packets in there. So we had, they had a variety of sweet and low, and whatever sugar, but the packets that were leftover, they throughout. Oh my goodness right because. I guess if somebody's thumbing through the packets you touch it or whatever and we'll tell you that part of me reverted to being like an eighty year old grandmother willow, if I had known or throwing the packet, maybe I should put them in my pocket. Take him up, but anyway so. But then, but then the menus that we had we said. Should we throw these out? And she's like no just take him back to whatever so. Like okay, that's fine. I mean because I tend not to worry about that. Other people rifle through the menus touch this or whatever. Maybe, I'm foolish shirt for doing that, but I've noticed that certain things aren't as well thought out. I'll give you one more example I. stopped into my office over the weekend and they had put on the door of the restroom. Four like these brackets so that you could open the door with your forearm. Forearm and Versions of those things. But. Here's the thing if you've ever. Had An experience where you're leaving the restaurant and somebody's coming in, and you have one of these things. If you put your forearm there on, somebody pushes the door. You can snap your arm. It's. It's it's not just. Rate immobilized six inches of your. So That's all. Right right. It's it. Is this It reminds me of the story that my mom loves to tell of. I was in high school, and I had painted my nails. Witches, which in and of itself is a story of note because I think. I've probably painted my own fingernails like ten times in my life, but I painted my nails, but we had to go to school, and it was time to leave, and they weren't dry yet and so I very carefully. with the tips of my fingers, like picked up my coat, and I pulled my fingers in carefully slid through my coat, so that I and I managed to get one arm through and didn't mess up my nails. Gingerly pulled up the Siamese, just vary like. Like, you know. What's it called the defusing a bomb kind of like careful precision to get my in I got my coat all the way on, and then she said she watched from a distance as I. Very carefully reached into the very edge of my pocket and pulled out my glove, and then very carefully solid my hand. Ads those last few seconds. She's like the recognition over my face of this gear rule sliding into the glove and it Jimmy I've thought of that so many times in the past few months because. I think when you try to think of everything you can't think of everything and and you don't have to. I mean like it's not. I think we're all going to start to realize that you know their level I. I just read this fantastic article about how to hug in a pandemic. They're starting to break down in to Okay you're going to go out to a restaurant. These are the things that matter. These are the things that probably don't matter. Will you remain at one hundred percent safety? No, but that that's the point you don't necessarily have to. Whereas like, don't use your friends fork. See their. Eat your food. You know you'd have done that anyway, but I'm just trying to think of something you know egregiously. Jeremy but. I I think as we start to share does to that point. Though people do share desserts, right or bill, you'd have to taste this sort of so. There are levels of contact. Yes, yes, that are probably less wise than than they used to be. But you know the between your sugar packets and the menu. That is pretty funny like How were those sales differently? I don't think that's the same was especially because you know. Someone touched the menu. It was a menu that somebody held in order from whereas like people might have touched the sugar packets. Of You. Yeah. It's I think. It's. We have a lot to figure out and I think what was interesting to me about it, and why I wanted to bring it up. Is that not as some sort of compendium on. Here's what you do what you have to think about, but just this awareness that. We don't even know yet. What's going to be different? We keep imagining. Going back. And doing things like we used to. As if we doing all the same things in just with a mask on or from a few feet apart, and there's I think we're GONNA quickly. Realize how much more there is there is. Another kind of sort of silly thing is I. Think I might be like a tight. We'll see a tiny bit deaf, but I definitely have a little bit more trouble. Hearing than I think I do. Because I think I read at tiny bit like. Don't fill out read lips, but without the benefit of someone's mouth that I think I watch when they talk I had a hard time hearing now that might have also been because of the mask, muffling their voice a tiny bit but But I think I also watch watch people's faces so I. Just I think it's going to be fascinating as we start interacting with one another and doing. Things but one of the things that that really. Shouldn't get lost is. You had brought up with the facilitation that some people didn't. Didn't come maybe that income because they just couldn't make it schedule wise, or maybe they didn't come because it didn't feel safe, but either way you had less than a hundred added tenants, and some people decided that they weren't going to touch the handouts and other people decided that they were in. That's fine, but in both of those examples. At least my takeaway is that there's an even playing field that I have the right to make that decision for myself, but in an employer employee situation there's often not an equal playing field because you're saying to employees in many in many facets you don't have. The right to decide, I'm laying down the policies and this is what you have to do, and we will pick up the handouts I. Guess in that example or you will attend this meeting. Is. This is a mandatory meeting. You. No I've heard some nightmare stories about that There was a post going around here in Baltimore Fateh Server who who was saying that she didn't feel safe with the way harassment was doing it, and it was. It was a very cut and dry response from ownership of like you show up, and you do it this way, or you're off and no more like and we'll. You know they were gonNA pushback on allowing her to get unemployment from music very clear like if you do this then we're gonNA. Say You refuse to work and that you know and so. Yeah, I, it brings up a really important point that I had to have several conversations with a few clients about because. I don't think they. These are people who don't run their company in command and control kind of way. They're not power mongers. They're not my way or the highway kind of people, and so therefore they do not. They're not in the practice of really in an intricate way thinking about power dynamics, because it's just not how they are as humans. So. But I think that that awareness that like it or not, and whether or not you wield it regularly or not, you have. You have a higher level. There are these power structures, and if people work for you, they are going to. Feel compelled. To do the things like even if you're not. I'm sort of saying this backwards. That practice that I went through of trying to make sure that I didn't put someone in a position where they had to decide whether they felt comfortable speaking up. Is The opposite of of what it because if you're if you're the conversation, I've had to have with a couple of clients. It is where they're like well, we'll just you know. We're GONNA. Come in, and you know I'm not going to be wearing a mask, but you know Blah Blah Blah Blah, but people are free to you know we'll. We'll put him there that the things as wear masks, Blah Blah Blah. I said yeah, but you don't. You don't realize that by. You're not wearing one that. That says to people that you don't think it's important and the same if you do. And because you are the boss it then that power dynamic comes into play. It makes a statement read in, so if the boss isn't wearing one. Then in this, this may be a male female thing but I will tell you from from my point of view the way I would have looked data in that situation is if my boss isn't wearing one. Than in my projecting weakness. By by wearing masks or am I implicitly questioning my bosses judgment. Or making a statement that he or she should be. More sensitive to the needs of others I mean there's this whole unspoken dialogue that would go on in my head. We've talked. We've talked about. As a boss or as an employer sending facebook, friend, request and that. I long one forty. Do I have to accept it to? It's not an even playing field will here. It's the same thing about all owing. Following the examples. Of what's been set? You know it's it's interesting to me. in the headlines. Trump is is going to be having this rally in Oklahoma. And he's not going to be wearing a mask, but they interviewed one of the senators from Oklahoma. WHO said he's been wearing a mask everywhere, but now he has to decide if he's going to wear a mask at this gathering, and if so, how he does it and when he's in the presence. President BEC- and there was this whole. Dialogue that he put into words, about will wait a minute. Am I sending the wrong signal or doing something requesting judgment and We brought you. Bring up a other level to this. That is just. So unfortunate, which is that in addition to varying perceptions and concerns that people have about the virus itself so in and of itself that would already create this this dynamic that we're talking about where people people are having to judge be because there isn't a super super clear. If you do exactly this, you'll be fine, so people are constantly having to say like This like too much too little how I feel about this particular set of variables that are all in one You, know I I would stand outside in a somewhat spread out triangle, talking to people and not feel like. I have to have a mask on. We're inside, and even if it's only five minutes. Is that too much? A little I leave my masculine, whatever so figuring things out anyway, but there is this other layer where it has been so politicized as to what not just what statement you're making about the health safety, but there is this perception that now it's it's a t shirt for you know for some people about how you feel about political things and so there'll be this added. Layer of someone who feels I have a friend of mine actually got screamed at in a store for wearing a mask by a guy who which is. Yeah which. was something about. Take off that stupid guy brief, he said Communist mask. You sheep all. was like oh now. Hundred, sickle in. Communist. Whatever that extra layer of Whatever that is is going to make it even if your employer and you have somebody in your staff, who not only has just decided that they don't feel like they need to wear one from a health standpoint, which is already problematic, because it's not just about them to make other people really nervous, but then if they're really coming out with this strong fisted perception of what that means either way it's just a whole other layer of complication. In we've had just walk into the grocery store, we've seen. The. I can't say we've seen the judgment coming from other people, but we've received the judgment and maybe wrong, because in where we live. Have you know which is deeply Republican territory? First of all. There's the discussion that we have the bet. Pandemic is political in and of itself is is troublesome, but when you go into the grocery store, and you see some people defiantly not wearing a mask and they looked to me like they're daring people. To say something, and then people wearing a mask and are are those people judging anonymous, and it's it's the whole dynamic in society, and that that becomes even trickier when you're not bound together just by happenstance of shopping in the same place at the same time. You're bound together because you're working for the same organization. And you have to attend some of the same events and you have to handle some that same materials. And I think. I I do think the challenge for business is. Is Not just coming up with procedures, but determining which are the commandments the thou shalt, thou shalt nuts. Because I tell you when I started at a law firm with some friends. We originally at joked about the fact that. We're friends and we're going to run it like outback steakhouse. No rules just right. That's always the no rules. Just Ri-. You WanNa come and eleven. That's fine. Just get this. Whatever and we discovered yet. That doesn't work. There are some rules and navigating those rules here. I, think is one of the trickiest challenges we've had a business generation. Hundred percent because it's not just there aren't a lot of how put rules around unknowns and you have to think about people's. You know I was sitting there while we're. We're doing this facilitation and I said I kept thinking about the fact like if I have to think about if there are one or two people who really weren't sure. They felt comfortable coming, but did so. They're coming in with like this tiny bit of leg. Am I going to regret this which which I'll be honest I was I in no way felt pressured to say yes. To silting it I thought it through I decided I was okay with it, but I still had just enough remaining doubt, and that was how I kept saying it was like I am. I don't feel pressure to come I'm here because I have decided that I will come and do this but I just have just enough lingering than I'm mike wonderful. I'm really going to regret this a couple of weeks. This like would don't know. Talk the fact, so you don't have somebody. There was feeling a little bit leg oh. Oh, that was the that was the other thing, too. This is super important. We're all going to be asked to make these decisions about whether. We feel comfortable going to a thing like you. Everybody in your company decided. They felt comfortable meeting for that coffee. We think it through. We make decisions. Let's pretend there's none of the power dynamics. Where Lacey felt like she had to say yes, because you brought it up like let's say it's all clean. I. It occurred to me that there may be people in that room. Who went to get dressed that morning? which by the Wakefield whole, other episodes I forgot that I would have to put on like real close, and I'm like we're my real shoes. Like do I haven't dressed my own clothes. I can't wear sweatpants, so that's thing But there may be people who are getting dressed, gotten their car, or as they walked out of the elevator suddenly just. Like layer of anxiety land on them, because sometimes it's not you think you're fine about a thing, and then you walk in, you're like. Oh, my Gosh! I'm feeling anxious about this. I'm on shore. He can't forget that just because somebody said they felt good about. It doesn't mean they have remained feeling good about it so it. It feels like it needs this hyper. Emotional awareness of just and not letting annoying way like you okay. Are you okay, you okay? But I do think I think what has to happen, though is that the business owners particularly as an employer? Wear that whatever you come up with. Yes, there may be some rules, but I think you have to convey that those aren't the rules from now until the end of time that you have a commitment to listen and a commitment to reevaluate so that if somebody is not comfortable with the role as it stands today, at least they know they haven't missed their opportunity to be heard, and that there will be an opportunity to be heard because you recognize the need to evolve with the situation I. I think that's the best you can do. I think we're GONNA have to because imagine if like everything's running super super smoothly. Let's say you and your your something as innocuous as the five of you getting together for for that meal once a week, and you feel really really great about it while between now and next week. you know, lacy goes somewhere for spring break. She's jammed on a beach with five hundred people and you've seen pictures of Front facebook partying whatever and the next week. You know what is the mechanism by which someone in your company can be like? A table with Lacey for the next couple of weeks and we didn't have right, so that's that's a personal thing in your exam. Lay Seattle want us to lacey, but we don't. We do have at least one person in the front. That doesn't WANNA. Come out for client doesn't. because they feel that that immuno compromised, or or what have you don't, and that's fine i. just think you have the one commitment you have to have is to listen, and then the other is doable, so you know and that's it. So, that's our story. Discussion doesn't have to end here. No, it not want it to. We don't. That is why we actually have our private facebook group which we started to make sure that we could get your comments your rants, your thoughts, your stories. We're stories. You can find links to that group as well as show notes and links to subscribe via email and how to find out just about anywhere. 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Ep85: Speak Volumes In An Instant

So, Here's My Story...

30:35 min | 2 years ago

Ep85: Speak Volumes In An Instant

"I think there are so many dangers in deciding what your convictions are based upon a pole. Business is messy and unpredictable sometimes lonely so low. And inspiration can often come from really weird places. We pick up where the bullet point blogs and highlight reels leave off we start with stories. Welcome back to. So here's my story. I'm jodi. And today's story ties right out of one of our exciting announcements actually does which is that we have our fiftieth Facebook group member, Rachel Epstein and Eliot actually surprised me to tell me that fact with his story. And then we went on to actually do an entire episode about the business of that fiftieth member, which is kind of interesting thing, we talked a lot about branding and positioning niching, and how much the company really reflects who you are and what you care about. And how that all comes together experience that you want to create for people before we get into the story. There is one other thing that I want to mention you should. Look out for pole because we're gonna posting a pole. Yes. Because in this ties back to the Facebook group, we are going to be in the Facebook group. We are going to start hosting a weekly ask us anything kind of thing. See they're going to be on zoom or Facebook live. I don't know some sort of really stepping into the sense of community. We wanted to do happy hour, but that time of day is probably not the best for everybody. Commuting and whatnot. So we are going to be having our own little sort of version of a virtual happy hour where we can all talk and tat, and you can ask us questions. And we're going to be doing a poll about what time of day might actually work for people, and we may move it around a little bit. We'll see how that goes. But if that sounds like something that you would love to jump in on and be part of that real live conversation. Please watch out for that poll because instead of us trying to guess and pick a time we'd like to hear what time works for you already. Let's get going. Let's go. So here's my story. And actually to be fair. It's not my story. It is the story of our wait for it. Fiftieth member Facebook. Yes Facebook group. Hanjin? Fiftieth member. I missed that. How did I miss that? Because I think it actually came in the notice came into me, literally twenty minutes before we. So you're on your way, and you'll see my post on it. Yeah. I explained that. You didn't you didn't chime in on the Facebook group because you are making your way through security to come up to s HMS headquarters headquarters. Right. But anyway, so our fifty th member is Rachel Epstein. Yes. That's funny. So I just by the way, I don't know if you realize this, but I just referenced Rachel, although I did not name her in like two two ago when we were saying like when the client went to tell the when the client needs to hear no, she's the hairstyling when I said, I want band. No. That she liked took her expertise, she guided with her expertise, and she wasn't afraid to say that's not right for you. And I so valued it, and that was the first time I was there. And I went back for years and years, she still cuts my hair sometimes would have been a perfect story for now. But but you ruined I did because I already told that story actually super quickly have another fascinating story about her is I really long hair. I had just had my daughter's my second kid, and she was probably like three months old, and I had cited get all my haircut off. And it was getting my hair washed and racial came over the first time ever met her and she ran her fingers through my hair a couple times while it was getting shampooed. And she said, did you just have a baby? I was like. That's weird. And I said, yeah. And she said you need to keep taking your prenatal vitamins. Said your hair's like falling. You know, your hair's falling out not in like giant handful. But but she said you need to keep taking them because a lot of people stop taking them. And you just you need to keep taking them for a while. And again, but the sense of expertise and wisdom and guidance that that has was just far beyond what I had previously come to expect from. Knows her craft. That's really cool. Now, this story kind of goes into this is a whole Rachel celebratory episode. So the story that I was going to go into it. I didn't know Rachel, I still don't know Rachel. But when when the notification came that she asked to join the community, I wanted to do some light stalking. Find out who she was. Because really I anticipated coming here and saying to you we have our fiftieth member in and I didn't know if you knew her and you'd say where she from. And I wanted to answer for that. We have people in Brazil and Sweden. Yeah. So I just click on the link so went to her Facebook page and immediately what I noticed was. It's a Facebook page. She's got the logo for her business, craft crafted hair crafted hair, but it looks to me. It looks pretty reminiscent of Harley. Yeah. You know? And and so as I looked down the profile, I could see that that wasn't an accident that done that this is one of interest. And I I was really struck by the fact that this wasn't just somebody who went to a graphic designer went. Hey, look, I'm opening up a hair salon. I need something cool in my favorite colors. Aren't you know, be hip? Advocated professionals and it wasn't. So I did that this this brand was was a choice. It was a strong choice that to me indicated I don't know her at all. But to me it indicated this is who I am. This is these are whom I people are. And if you get this, then you're going to get me, and you're exactly who I wanna cater to. And that's why I expect I expected to be walking through my doors. And if you don't get this if it doesn't resonate with you, the Mets cool, and and you're willing you probably won't like it here. And I really which way interestingly describes Rachel to a as well like Rachel very unapologetic about about who she is. And what she does she is a very, bold and distinctive human being. And you're absolutely right. She did not shy away from that coming through in every aspect of her business, and it and it works. You will see I see. So many talked to so many business people, and I'm not even in a marketing and branding. Although I'm really interested in it. But I like your like if you weren't a lawyer, you would market brand bringing marketing, well, I didn't know that the profession existed. I grew up in place Ville, only new four professions before the internet. So. But so anyway, one of the things that I always hear from businesses is, well, let's say you cut hair. Well, I cut hair everybody has here unless you're completely bald in don't do. But I really if you're looking at seventy eight percent of the world population is my key key customer or anybody who has like in my world, anybody who has a business. Okay. Well, that's like forty billion. People are however, many it is. But I really like the fact when I looked at and it wasn't just well, I'm gonna researcher. And I kinda got an idea I looked at that profile looked at the logo for two seconds. And I could tell immediately this is who she's after she doesn't kind know what her market is. She just she said, these are my people, and I absolutely love that. Because it was intentional brandy. Interesting about it is it's. It shines at different light on branding a little bit for me, especially because I know her. So I it helps me see a slightly different way. There's there's the insight of there's the thinking of branding as this outward, call to attract a certain kind of person as if it's like bait or something, and I think with with Rachel I suspect, and I don't want to put words in her mouth. But I suspect with Rachel. Yes. She she knew what kind of client. She wanted. She knew kind of. But I think part of the reason that brand is so intact and strong. And the row is the word that comes to mind is because it is a it's coming up out of her. It represents who she is the business. The business was a person it is that businesses personality and shape versus the distinction. I'm making here is I think sometimes Brandon can go wrong. Even if you do have the. Bravery to niche, and even if you do have the bravery to be like a very specific market. If you're asking the questions from a. What what does that person want? How can I shake myself? So that that person will like me, it it has a little bit less. It's still better step than trying to be everything to everybody. But I think the sort of furthest reaches of integrity of branding com. From when you may this make this big bold stand about here's who I am. Here's who this company is who's here's who we are. And that's what you like come on over. I think that's definitely true. I think there are so many dangers in deciding what your convictions are based upon a poll, right? But but at the same time there's the danger on the other side, which is I wanna have I want my business to show personality for personality sake, and it's not targeted. So I'll give you an example. I I went into my Bank, which is a rare thing for me to do. I never go into the Bank with direct deposit automatic. I never actually walk into the branch. But I walked into the branch not too long ago. And this is an t on hunt valley, and they had a skeleton in the lobby this past Halloween. They had a skeleton, and it's me for that. Yeah. This recently. Okay. And it wasn't not one of those paper cutouts one of those like plastic full-size, skeleton, doc like you'd see at a doctor's or whatever and interesting choice. No, it was it was sitting in a chair by the by the tellers the first time I saw it was sitting chair by the tellers ended had like an Oriole scarf on or something like that. And and I looked over at it. And I was like. Well, that's interesting. It's not Bank like that's fine. And I really was preoccupied because you know, I love the marketing stuff, and I was preoccupied with what is that trying to say to me? And so I kind of wandered out. I'm gonna let you tell your story. And then then I had to go back, and this is just a couple of days ago. I walked back into the to the branch, and I had forgotten about the skeleton, and there was a skeleton. No, it was it was sitting in a chair in the lobby like where people would sit to wait for a Representative to help them on and all that stuff. And I was like that what that says to me is that what somebody died way before they were waiting on waited on. Thought I was like I it's one thing at Halloween but bait that says to me like you await. And ways that is literally the icon from like western movies of someone was you're just and if you wanna show business with customers tumbleweed blowing through but. Yes, so so what what it strikes me that they did is. Yeah there. Okay. You can draw the conclusion these they're not just typical buttoned up bankers, and they might have a sense of humor in their fund people at work there, but it's showing personality for personality sake. There's no story that aligns with the brand. And so you feel in your own in my own was like this guy was waiting there till eight times remain for. I wonder I have to maybe it was like a Halloween thing. Somebody and so many people liked it and commented thought it was funny. They just decided to keep it around. Maybe those things, but still that's really funny. Yeah. No, no, Rachel, everything about Rachel's really comes up out of who she is. And it's interesting her choices in that vein. Don't just end at the at. The logo. It really is the embodiment of everything about the salon like for instance, they they really believe only, but certainly predominantly used these like natural hair dyes. And I don't mean like Hannah they use things that are not all crazy chemically. And and she goes to great lengths to find and source those things so because they're they're kind of famous for their really bright colors and finding those as I understand it. Finding those really bright colors and not being crazy chemicals is not the easiest thing in the world ultra strong. I actually I, you know, me, I mean, I'm not a hair person. So, but but again, that's why I liked Rachel is that she was the hair person. She was this expert, and they also have gone down the line of they do like, the I believe still the kind of some of the barber things where I think they do the straight razor shaves. I think so I could be wrong. But and actually has some of those old if you go in there, I don't know if you saw this in the pictures, she has these chairs that like she has at least h hair, that's the. Old like the really barber chair kinds of things. One of the really cool fascinating thing about her. She's got this leg, I think someone handmade it for her. It's this like belt that goes around her waist almost like a tool belt, but it's much cooler than that. And that's where she has all of her like scissors and things yet. It's just just every she is really like made it at the craft. It's funny that we said the were craft even before crafted hair for a new that's where you're going with this. She really has honed craft into a a personality of a business. Like, it really does have this embodied feel of something. And that keeps people coming back. It is it has a little it's a little much to say that it's like a destination kind of brand it's not like I go there just to hang out there. But it does have a very distinctive feel to it. Like, you know, the zoom reinsure gonna have where you could see the and so like it wouldn't call to me necessarily that as a fifty five year old lawyer. Oh, this is what I need to go. But if I took it into my head, I know you're gonna love this visual. If I took it in my head that I wanted spiky hair with gold tips. I would go there because I would think these people probably really know what they're doing as opposed to going into some other Salonga. Yeah. I guess we can do that. Well, here's a funny thing. My daughter's was years ago, she's probably eight or nine at the time, and she has really really really fick fick fick hair that knots up really easily and it was the beginning of school year. And I desperately wanted her to get cut short just so that we didn't have to have this like dreadlock issues like every single morning, even if she brushed it out and washed it in like braided, it would still be all like nodded in the morning. So I wanted to get a haircut somehow. I don't know there. She started or I started it. But she said somehow, I said if you if you get cut there was bribery involved. If you get it get it get your hair dyed coming into school year because she can't have died here at school, but comes summer and. And she said can I do any can I get like any color? I won't like purple or green. I was like, absolutely. Well, here's the funny thing. But she didn't know is I would have agreed to that. Anyway. Like, I don't I don't have a problem with her getting purple highlights or whatever who cares especially in the summer. But it got me the haircut that we wanted made our lives easier throughout the school year come summer. You're absolutely right. When it was time to cash in on her bribe, which of course, literally the day schools out. She's like and wins my appointment 'cause that's my daughter. Civil when it came the day to schedule that that was absolutely the place. I was going. They are well known for the the really fascinating color things. They do. But here's what is so cool about it. And why I will keep coming back to that work craft. Not only did they treat her like, you know, like it reminded me of that scene and wizard of Oz. Where there's like all these people taking care of you doing all these things it was, you know, they treated her like a Queen. They really made her feel special made a big deal about what she was doing. But they also didn't end not that I would expect other people with sort of downgrade her importance because she's a kid, but they treated her with as much respect and professionalism and effort and guidance as as you would anyone they didn't like poo poo it because she was little kid and the lady gave so much thought to it after trying to find a picture to include in the show notes. She she gave her all these different colors like purple and green and teal and blue like there. All these different strands. But if her hair was just like kind of in its natural flow. You could only see this kind of teeny tiny peak towards the front like it looked like maybe she just had like a little strip on each side kind of. But if you sort of took your whole, hand and figures and kind of ran your fingers back through your hair off of your forehead. It would suddenly look like her whole head was covered. And so yeah, it was wild. And so she gave her the opportunity as a kid to be places where maybe you don't wanna be like a full head of purple and green and blue and whatever. But if you pulled it back, or you braided, it it was all these colors, and he was just so much thought again crafted like it really does feel crafted and thought out and that shows an everything that they do. So you can see what happens, by the way, Rachel sponsorship opportunities. I'm just gonna but but you can see the better a few. Join our Facebook grew a whole episode on us. You can see the opposite. And and I've mentioned this before that that it irritates me about my own business. Because if I left the the office space where I am and some other lawyer came in here, it would be fine. In other words, this office space is just it's Bonilla space. It just kind of reflects. Well. Okay. Well, it doesn't it's fine. It doesn't have to be a lawyer. This could be an accounting office. It could be anywhere. It's not a really cool web designer or graphic designer type space or or whatever it's just vanilla office space. And and what I really love about what I do. For example, what I think I do well is not just sitting around a conference table and having meeting, you know, formal meetings in positions it's collaborating with my clients and talking to my clients, and, but I don't have my space reflect how much I value conversations that are more. Formal and more relaxed and can be can explore the the creative space as opposed to highly structured, Mike conversational spaces in this suite are highly structured conversational spaces. And so my point is that for for me. My Bill down in what you see when you come in here aligns perfectly with my industry. But it does not align with how I think I do my best interesting. Like, for instance. I mean, you you could in theory have this kind of one of the doctors that I see sometimes has all your typical doctor rooms. But then then where the either meet with the very first time or sometimes after they've seen you you go and sit in this room that feels very much like a living room kind of a very small living. Remember like little parlor, almost and you sit and you talk about like what they just discovered or like, what options are whatever in there rather than sitting in this cold sterile room in a gown feeling awkward dusk from the done. They take into space that feels more conversational. And so that that is interesting, those tears, I will say for you. You're everything else about your business, especially communications wise. What does feel very you? You don't have standard lawyer communications or standard in your drinking. Fez, those those are you? But this is this is the transition. I wanna make. We're not just talking about Rachel is this is this is a tricky thing, though, how you do this in your business because we just hit on two ends of it. There's this like, oh, I want something to feel this way. All stick a skeleton in the space, and then over here is a much easier hurdle to get over of of. I'm just going to make everything come about of who I am. And how I wanted to feel and let the chips fall where they may kind of thing. Most of us. I think find ourselves somewhere in between depending on our thing. It's easier not easier to make our space. Look a certain way it's easier not easier to be obvious about how our communications would be your how our customer interaction would be when somebody I walks in the door, or if you don't have a space, then what do you do with it? So what's the structure for this? Like, if you want your business to feel more that way, because what I don't want it to sound like is you should jump into like logo redesign, or, you know, where do you think people should start a where the important like sort of origin spots of this? Process will I think one of the first step that I would go to something that you had said a long time ago. I wish I could. I wish I had encyclopedia encyclopedia acknowledged I could say an episode fourteen. This is what Jodi said, but you at one said to me on air or off that if I took away all your clients, which ones would you fight to get back. What would you find to giving? So so I think I'd start with with that list. And then figure out what do I so if I did that in in my business, and I know who it it is that I love working with. But I could also zero in on what's the work that I love doing. And I love the conversations where it's not just structured as in. Okay, Elliott, we've got to get this contract. And so we need to do XYZ. But we actually talk about what's important to them and how they wanna grow or not and what their concerns are and just in general a holistic conversation about their business. And so what would spring out of that for me is a place where that conversation of physical environment where that conversation evolves naturally number one and number two something in my industry or any industry that bills by the hour. You have to create an environment where those conversations can happen because people aren't concerned about watching the clock. And I suspect if I had to guess, I don't know that this is true. So I could be wrong. I think maybe you do that first conversation at a restaurant. Don't usually meet people like for call or something. Yes. You're kind of while that doesn't happen here in a space in your office, which which may actually be even better than having a space in your office. Because maybe it helps create that disconnect that they're not on the clock that, you know, this is our time just to connect can learn about you and understand what you care about. And then we'll in the great thing about the ritual of coffee this here's attention. The great thing about the ritual of coffee. There's a movie I think is severely underage. Good movie called passengers. And it was with Jennifer Lawrence and Chris Pratt. How archive? Anyway, Chris Pratt finds himself alone on this spaceship because because everybody else's in suspended animation and he's talking to this, Android bartender. And he says to him one time in every time. He goes in there the bartenders just there because he's an Android undo anything else. And he's wiping the bar with a rag and Chris Pratt says to him. Why are you always cleaning the bar because there's no dirt on it? There's no literally no other person ear and the robot said because people always feel at ease when there's some activity going on when somebody's doing something. And that's one of the things about the ritual of coffee, if you're sitting across a conference table, it feels like it's a forced back and forth. But if you're out if you're just even even the simple act of having coffee and a Muffin and get anything's. There's other things to fill the white space like your mall walking. There are other things to to fill the white space. And so you'll cringe at that. I'm like oh. Yeah. I'm story. But, but that's why I think that the physical environment where I failed and creating my office space, and I make up for it by going out to create those conversations is just as important as how else you align. Your personality with your brand I wanna say a little bit more about because we do keep coming back to physical space and much like with all things culture or environment. I feel like sometimes the opportunities in the small things can get lost in a magic. Because even reference, you know, it's not some cool tech environment. You know, this place you walk in. You're like, wow. This must be a cool lawyer. That's one version of it and might be fun or interesting or lovelier, whatever. But the opportunities are are in much smaller space in that like, for instance, at my office, which which I get a lot of teasing in my office building. Because I picked this quite large office in my office space, and it ruins always Zoya pick the biggest office on the corner. And I'm like, that's not why would appear the that's not why I picked I didn't pick that space because it was on the corner and had the windows. I didn't pick it because it was the biggest I picked it because I could put a an okay size table in there. Which also no one understood because there are multiple conference rooms that I can use anytime I want for free. They're all often available. So it's not like can't get to them. But to me, it's this feel like when someone comes to my office, especially if I've not met them before. Elsewhere. I don't wanna take them across the hall into a conference rooms leading it doesn't feel right to me. I'm not even as comfortable not to mention them. So I wanna have a desk in my office a table in my office. This where we can meet. And so, yeah, it's way more office than I need. It's just me. And so it's more space. But I love that table and more importantly at that table. I have like the long against a wall because I don't ever want to sit on opposite sides. I alway the only places you can sit are at the corner because there's something about sitting corner to corner with somebody at a table is so much more inviting than than on opposite sides. And so those are those are tiny things that we do. And I make sure that the chairs comfortable that. It's not this hard sit in chair because I want people to feel at home. But but not so at home, it would feel slightly weird. If all I had were like, a couch that we were both sitting on sort of sitting sideways like that's a little too, homey, informal. So it's it's just finding the right feel for the energetic space. You want somebody to to be in? And then. And then doing what you can to create that feeling. I mean, there's another salon actually just blow dry bar, and they have a really interesting take on this. They are always in. I don't know what blow dry bars, but it just learned jet to more infamous, any listeners don't know. It is migrate at it's almost like sort of. But has a very well. I don't want to tell the story here. But that I know that that's the thing it. Yeah. You get your your hair just simply like blown out or, you know, hairdryer styled up, dude, or whatever. And which frankly, I thought was a silly thing. When I first heard, and then a friend of mine knew the owner invited me to the openings ago, whatever and they were doing them as like demonstrations, and they were giving out glasses of champagne or wine or sparkling water. And I made a crack like oh too bad. We can't have this every time. She's like, oh, no, that's that's the model. Like, you go in they wash your hair if you want they'll give you a glass of champagne or wine or soda, or whatever you want your sipping this thing. They always have really class. Thicke lovely like chick flick rom coms on the big TV, and there's always captions because they're blow drying your hair. So you can't hear. So whether you want to or not you into breeding all the subtitles to Spangler or Pretty Woman, or whatever have made in Manhattan, whatever happens to be on. And it's oddly transport of like, I have actually gone when I don't need my hair to look nice when I've had a really bad day, and it's like thirty bucks, and they wash your hair, and that feels good and then they blow dry, and I'm just like lost in another world. And it's kind of funny if you told me that four or five years ago that that might be like an experience that I would seek out. I would Drass dramatically called you Eliah. Tell you that no one in the history of ever has described their visit to their lawyer as oddly transport of and maybe to jail and on those there have been occasions though, I've had clients call and say, yeah, I can't. I'm just calling you because it was worried about it was legal thing. Worried about this. And can't believe I'm calling my lawyer to make me feel better and the expression of regret and sadness is. Time. So that's our story. The discussion doesn't have to end here. No. It does not if you don't want it to know, we don't that is why we actually have our private Facebook group, which we started to make sure that we could get your comments, your rants, your thoughts stories or stories heathen find links to that group as well as show notes and links to subscribe, the Email and how to find us just about anywhere you can possibly find podcasts at. 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Episode 52: Cheldin Barlatt Rumer, From Overloaded to Focused and Streamline: How Making Changes Saved This Business

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Episode 52: Cheldin Barlatt Rumer, From Overloaded to Focused and Streamline: How Making Changes Saved This Business

"Hey everybody welcome to try leaders podcast. I'm your host Emmy Kirschner. I am beyond excited to be having Sheldon Barlett back on the show again today. She is my. I repeat guests and interviewed her right at the beginning. When I started this podcast and it's amazing would just a year can do in changing your leadership in this episode Sheldon? I talk about how she had to really focus in choose one direction and one named focus on and that caused her to have a major pivot in her business. Now I love Sheldon Sheldon is vivacious vicious. She's amazing she's inspiring. You WanNa get up and just have a dance party with her. And I know you're GonNa love all of the value bombs that she has to share with you today. My Name Is Emmy Treasurer a serial entrepreneur and investor. The one thing that I get asked all the time is how do you achieve success in business and making each episode of the Tribal Leaders Podcast? You'll hear from entrepreneurs and visionaries share leadership has changed their lives. The lives everybody around them. Hey could you do me a quick favor? Take a screen shot of this podcast episode right now and Post it on your instagram and tag me and anybody else who you think could benefit from it. Especially if you've been finding value. I'm so grateful for you listening. Oh my God I am beyond excited to welcome back. You're already laughing. I love you address. Oh my God right podcast with that. Everybody uses not here Sheldon Barlett rumors. I Interview about a year ago. Remember what Number one will close that link rate in the show notes for everybody. Go back and listen to. We had such an amazing time sheldon. Is My friends. My mentor frequently. My inspiration you are the owner and the creative director and the creator of an amazing amount of magic for creative this TV and your whole premise is screen. You're raking dreams. Yes without further ADO. Welcome back I'm trying not to clap because nobody could see me crap. I'm clapping even though nobody can see or hear of so excited to be back. I mean you spoil me each and every time we need the average. I'm so grateful to be back on the show. So thank you so much for happening. Yeah thank you. It's been a year and we were recording. You said lakes and we're both not simply relying only growing and you can see like the goal line to you said you also pivoted so love like Divan just briefly. Yes so everybody had sense of your background and who are share a little bit about this. Tv Everything House. Of course of course so much for having me I am the host executive producer in essence. Ceo of a company called creative. We produce the Network and so my talk. Show my personal talk show on the network. Is this with children. But we also Twos fourteen anew over the course of this last year am fourteen additional digital shows For influential women that are primarily based here in the tri-state area in the area of the Philadelphia and respecting area and so when we originally started a year ago the focus was really about encouraging people to no longer whisper their wishes but in fact scream their dream and that's really my mission my personal mission the mission of creative and respectfully visit. Tv visit that work we supply digital content that serves our community and our community is really a community of remarkable women. Remarkable women in the world remarkable. You know is something that we've really are really utilizing so much in twenty twenty to really focus on women that by definition remarkable is means noteworthy worthy of attention and we believe that the women that are on our program and the women that Watch our Aram are worthy of attention and we're GONNA continue to create content for those folks and when we really started a year ago. I was really just focusing on this visit with child. It was my talk show that was on. I interviewed one to three people per day and that was really an ice. Spent the year telling these inspiring stories meeting remarkable women and what I found was. There was a handful of women that were really interested in telling their own stories off way Being able to produce their own content and so because I had the resource because I only equipment because it was all house of what we were already doing this Sheldon I began recording and producing independent content for other individuals. What we found was it didn't have the necessary source market or audience this this sheldon had so what we did was we would start to share. They're not only produce their content but distribute their content to our market. And this is it network evolved it involved in a pivoted way to say okay. We were producing our own show. Oh my goodness there is a need for other people to have their own shows independent shows how can I pull all of those shows underneath one umbrella over the course of the year a digital network was born and so that is just been an amazing ride but the pivot is real because now we're in evaluations face? You know what is working. What isn't working what shows make the most sense for what it is. My personal mission is and the mission of the company and how we control all of those things at scale God knows if you follow 'em you know she uses the word scale right. How do we scale regularly right regularly? How do we think about you? You know I have been thinking about you in this New Year in such intense way because you know. How do I continue to do this? In a way that serves not only our community but also offers a heightened level of content. And so that's been our really tough tough scenario but each and every day we create not only fourteen shows that are on the network. We produce Even this morning I interviewed for people here in the studio so we're constantly creating content again to support remarkable women telling inspiring stories. So that's what that's what I do and that's where we are now. That is pretty intense pretty intense. What's your biggest learning on? Pivoting an unreal. Taking in. Because I mean you've been doing that for a while and yeah while it was the one woman show. Yeah now you team. Yeah and I scaled up. You know the the biggest challenge for me you know. I'm I tend to in some of you may feel the same way is that I tend to follow the bouncing ball raid. Something amazing happens something so amazing opportunity every especially in our space right. I'm like there's always. Somebody wasn't amazing thing or a new concept or something especially being in the media space. I'm really being inundated with people that are always doing wonderful things but what my personality leads to is me being distracted by those things so one of my largest challenges. Right is is staying focused. Not because I don't love what it is currently doing but because there's so many shiny objects that are like the distance. I if I did this right. Yeah and your creative too. So it's easy to have there's plenty object and then be like. Oh I can create this. Look how you can expand over here and really If broadens your you're focusing your perspective on what you're right. I think to too wide or widely bright and and it and it makes it very it makes it dilutes what it is that. I'm doing and I find that following. The bouncing ball really distracted me from Mike or Values. I mean this year. We've identified what our value I mean. We won't talking in terms. I had identified. Longer whisper your wishes in fact screamer dream. It still drives me. We will from that. You still need to identify who your audience is. We identified as remarkable women. What is your product inspiring stories? I didn't have that right. I didn't have that language. I didn't have the at at concentration once. You adapt to that concentration. Then you have a job to do every right. Connect with remarkable women tell inspiring source. It's not as big as it used to be. And the challenge is staying really focused on your core values focused on what it is. You're looking to do suit and get your goals. But that's A. That's a challenge that I did not a lot of people think that those that are doing it are still challenged by. That's a muscle. I have to train every day to make sure that I'm not following those bouncing balls and I'm not being distracted by things right by the shiny object in the corner. Oh maybe I should do this instead or or maybe we should add this to the roster of things in which we offer like. It's so easy to create layers as opposed to focusing on your core layers. And that's always been a real challenge for me. Yeah personal Firing you qualified person inspiring story. I love motivation and movement. I really think in inspiring stories is what gets somebody to move or be motivated to move and I think that some people and even in the you know there was a lot of child in my mind challenged myself in the whole stream. Your dream philosophy. Because I do think a lot of people's but have nothing to say right and so for me. It's really important that this queen is based in action and intention and I think that that's what I mean by Iron stories that there is there is movement based on what I tell the story. It encourages you to move to do something whether it be physically personally professionally right. You want to show you watching interview near like. I want to in simplest forms by that. I want to attend that event I want to learn more about. I wonder reach out to that person when he email that person. That's an inspiring story. A story that encourages movement and motivation. And that is what we try to do. Each and every day and that's our definition of that And and that's it and that if it's not motivating it meaning it doesn't have a positive angle to it and it doesn't encourage some type of movement. It's not an inspiring for us. It's just for the sake of talking. You know what is the? What is the inspiring story? What is what does that angle. What is the what is the action as it relates to being positive or creating some sense of movement? I absolutely love love. There's so many people who you have inspiring stories. Where not only do you want to invest in them but again a change in yourself? Yes yes it is it is and I think the people struggle you know that You know I love branding. It's part of you know what it is that I offer and how it is that I work with people and I think it's who often people are focused on the product or service and they're not focused on the experience or personality. They're not focused on that. And there you know. And that's the difference inspired story that's motivation. That's what free to movement. Is You really focusing that personality in that experience and being able to have that shine through you know if you ever met in person chase a movement right now you feel it and you know that you're there for the right reason and you're grounded in your mission and it forces people inadvertently to be grounded in theirs or at least question why they are? They are grounded in there. And that's what I'm that's the inspiration right. If you look at Somebody Watch something and you say I want more of that. How do I get more of that? How do I buy Matt? How do I? How do I participate in that? That's really that's really where the magic happens. And we WANNA do. You WanNa do more of that. So inspiring stories is definitely part of our mission classic. What have you hard to let go onto that you can? And so yeah inspiring stories. Yeah I mean for me. It's really been it's I am and I don't know if any of you are this way I felt an oddity I feel more. I feel as if what I building is real. The more people I have around Ding versus the quality of people. Could I have around me so what I was doing was I was I was in? I was surrounding myself with anybody. Who would would would pay attention to what we've got going on in the grateful nature of it right and I was just so happy that people got it or that they were into it or they were excited about it. I wasn't really the quality of the people within my huddle all within the huddle of things in which I was working on and that is I let go of that and that was an insecurity of mine. It's like having a wearing a lot of close because you're insecure about your body right insecure about what I was building so I was surrounding myself with a lot of people. Right and bank is opposed to the right. People doesn't mean that those people are not part of our audience and our ambassador programs and other scenarios. They just don't necessarily need to be part of my intimate huddle in which you don't really manages or controls the trajectory of our business and I've let go of not just like not an angry way just have department allies. You know relationships that are serving. The growth of my business about is what I've had to let go of and not let go of the people is personalities but just as it relates to their role in what it is that I'm building and I think that that was. That was a hard hard thing for me right. You know when there's a lot of people around you utilize if it's real it's happening and so what you found yourself doing was working for all those people as opposed to working for your name and Your Business In the minute that I let go of all of that amazing things really started to develop so yeah let let go of those was a huge but hard very very hard right. There's emotion in that you know. There's a motion in in letting go of relationships that don't serve you any longer or having to be mature enough to identify that they no longer serve you. Right is is really really difficult. And so that for me is is what has been a real big challenge. I think that's brilliant because it goes back to what we've all heard and I think some of US really look at that more seriously and clearly. You're you're in that space where you are some of the people you're hanging out with and if you've got if you've got all those people within you're getting all those opinions there's a lot of conflict one hundred percent and again it becomes a bouncing ball right it becomes more of that action As opposed to use really staying focused on what it is that you're building it becomes really really a distraction and so you know my goal is to to be less distracted and be surrounded by the right people not just all you know in the intimate form and then we the community building to our audience and the people that enjoy the content that we're creating as opposed to looking to to to take care of everyone in an intimate way right. So what's your longer term vision as far as sharing these inspiring stories? What you hope to accomplish with your growing humidity gas so our goal is to continue to grow as a national minority female own digital TV network and really be able to tell the stories from a grassroots level up these inspiring stories and connecting people to a community of remarkable women in across the country and globally and to do that that means that we have to have our own application needs to live on an APP of its own where you can go and find these content and go find it. This is it with children and go and find really unique content. Follow the storytellers within the application. Follow these remarkable women. That's really one of the things that we'd love to do And we're really gearing up to do that's more of a short term bowl than even our long term or longer term goal is to make sure that we give various forms of content so right now are content is digital video less than ten ten minutes at a time but we really have just begun recording independent podcasts. For some of our remarkable and recording Audiobooks for some of our remarkable women women publishing books for a remarkable women. And maybe getting into what I would love to explore. I love the art form of documentaries. I love you know films. And and even you know sitcoms reality program really being a hub. In a home for really were remarkable women can find inspiring stories of all kinds in all different types of platforms. So that's really our long-term goal to make sure that if you come on to this. Is it network if you favor audio books or if you favor the written word or a few favor video were favored documentaries? That you know that you're going to get that content Once you log on or download what? It is that we're producing. May thanks. So really looking growing media empire a hundred percent unapologetically unapologetically and and the funny thing is is that I it. Three years ago. That would have been an egregious. You know kind of thing where I'm like. Oh my gosh. That's sounds so daunting like I'm building an empire you know aren't Meyer Small. But we we were building it you know and and what that will look like in five years or says what. It looks like today. I'm really embracing the challenge and and I think really staying focused on our values. Focus on you know really again. Remarkable women inspiring stories really focusing on that providing a platform for folks to scream dream. Really being focused you will afford. That's for that journey. To be more comfortable again if I if I avoid the bouncing balls at empowering the the shiny objects yeah so you've looked girl of people that weren't serving with you in your inner huddle on thank. What else are you doing to like even evaluate whether you're starting to follow bouncy shiny balls or I think the the key in that word you know you always have. These triggered said always radiate means so much is evaluating. I can't tell you the amount of people that do and don't review right so I I think that's the issue is you're just running through life especially in the entrepreneurial space like we're just happy to be functioning right like I get him because I'm just happy I got it right Yeah but the power is in the review. The power is in. How did I get eater? And that's what Israel transitioned is tough time has been for me because it's like if this or the show that I produce last year. Is that show working or I was just happy to have it right. And that is going to lead to lots of conversations with a lot of talent that you know have that are storytellers. But is that show serving us like we could continue doing it but we need to review it so that reviewing part that evaluation of what it is you're doing is monumental in your growth. It is not enough just to do and just to participate and just to put one foot in front of the other just to make you know just to create. We'll have to evaluate what you've created it serving yell and and our goal is to continue to do that. You know each and every day regularly and then act upon that review so not just review it or this is really awesome. Were killing it okay. How how do we elevate what's working well? And how did the eliminate what's not working brilliant? You're really looking at results. Reformer bounce driven and runs a hundred percent a hundred and in all fairness I kind of forgiving myself for not being result driven in the past. I mean you have to do right before you review right so they can't just reviewing without actually taking all of the things in which you were built to work for you and I think that's really what that's really what we're thriving and right now is it. Oh my goodness so. You're part of building the empire. Oh my goodness children you produce your own. Xiao you host your own show and you eight and producing fourteen other shows holy cow. That's a lot. I deserve the right to review it and I think that I wasn't affording myself the ability because I'm we're constantly on this treadmill constantly. I'm GonNa one day and he's not ready yet and I'm getting off track and I'm saying bill. Let's make better right because we're always in the carrot. It's never enough. It's never done it's never. I'm in the reviews face of light. Oh my gosh. I'm patting myself on the back. Forgiving Myself For my mistakes and I'm saying let's make this better. Let's make a better. Let's review it. And so that's that's you. Hit it right on the head when it's about the evaluation it's about that. Yeah it's that's the important piece. Yeah so I had an obvious question because you know that. I'm a planner meek and I love enjoying everything so are you schedule such a planner so are you scheduling that time in on a regular basis or is it something that like you moved the needle so far and then you look at what you're doing like how are you doing that. So you can review effectively. I mean I think I have to admit it was reviewed. Nothing happy New Year. Twenty twenty review everything right now that we've reviewed. I literally took break was uncomfortable. Though break was uncomfortable for talent uncomfortable for our team our number eight because but I knew that I had no other choice right. I had no other choice but to to to do the business service and take that break and to live in the pivot right. What is going to be? What is it GONNA look like? I couldn't pin it simultaneously. I had to be able to say. Rip it off like a band aid. We're GONNA make this move. Would ask for bigger and better. We're GONNA have committed to being a minority female owned digital TV network. That is going national. I have to say that loud I live at and so there was a big evaluation. There was a big review of the deal right now. I have to make sure that weekly checking in to review what's happening on an ongoing basis. I come from the restaurant world. That's where my career kind of started was hospitality in restaurants. We were only as good as the nights rang right. We were only as good as the weeks rang and then the month ring etc if we lived in the day to day and even in the day to day our profit lived in the ten PM to two PM time frame in the nightlife space. Ray said here off yet so I was comfortable in my former life. Living in the minutia of that living in the specific timeframe in which you need to make money on taking that skill set and applying it are we reaching remarkable women telling inspiring stories this week. Did we hit our benchmarks this week and I do that for fifty two weeks. I can ensure that I'm following my goals and reaching you know and getting reaching objectives. And that's what I'm committed to doing so it took time to to recap all of two thousand nine hundred and my goal is to do it week by week. Moving forward beautiful. I love that because you're right the consistency of doing it week by week. Yeah and it's going to completely build your empire. Oh thank you I hope so I. I know I know that. That's I mean this is the I mean. There's a reason why it is called Bissett because I'm planning on doing nothing else for the rest of my life and so he's working. This is literally it. I'm not doing anything else. What did we get? What a great way to for the for the boats the bridges everything. There's no looking back now. Zero zero looking back there looking backing and it's been an exciting ride and there's been a lotta valleys to the hills. There's been so many more valleys than than there are hills truthfully. But it's about reflecting on those and and having that departed to review and having that be part of the you know the evaluation and what does that look like in so yeah yeah right. I haven't talked to a business owner yet. The husband Hunt Valley and have that be the catalyst for incredible growth. Yes yes yes I mean. I'm excited for it and we feel it out. We feel the trajectory of it now and I'm grateful for the for the valleys. I mean we're still digging out of a few but But the fact that we are digging out of them is really going to be the testament to the strength of the business amazing so share with everybody where they can find you and how they can. They can watch this. Tv Yes okay so you can find us everywhere you can find at visit it. Tv So it's all what we're together at this is it TV We are all the social media platforms into. Give you as much content as we possibly. Can you could also love onto. This is it. Tv Dot Com for more information on the programming. The talent the shows and some upcoming events that we have we'd love for our communities live online and offline so there's opportunities to do both of those things and if you're interested in learning more about who I am you can follow me at Sheldon Barlett C. H. E. L. D. I N. B. A. R. L. A. T. T. level for being here. I you know I think this is the first time I'm hearing the clarification of the pivot. I knew it was happening I'm really looking forward to everything. Twenty twenty it's GonNa Bring for you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It's been a journey but a journey that I'm excited for a journey that I'm happy to be on with friends. So thank you well. Same and everybody. Who's listening? Thank you for being here. It's been so much fun. I really appreciate everything that you contribute. And you found this episode to be Super Valuable. Do me a huge favor because this help us grow and leave us a rating or review on Apple podcasts. We'll see you next week as an entrepreneur. You ever feel isolated like you're just running away and not getting to the place for reaching the goals that you want. Maybe you realized you've just days weeks even months trying to accomplish something only to figure out that the answer that you have would have saved through all of that. 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Misplaced Science

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

06:20 min | 7 months ago

Misplaced Science

"Welcome to kids Miss Mystery Cyber your host kit chrome today. I'm going to talk about how some Mistakes made it into text books and I'm going to start with the woolly mammoth arose about five point one million years ago in Africa according to the curator of the American Museum of Natural History in New York from Africa the mammoth migrated through Eurasia North America their evolution continued over millions of years eventually producing what we know now as the wooly mammoth beginning roughly two, hundred, fifty, thousand years ago. mammoths were extinct about ten thousand years ago. OOPS more like three, thousand, five, hundred years ago scientists now believe an isolated population of mammoth persisted on Wrangel Island off the northeastern coast of Siberia. And deep in Canada's Northwest Territories, World Heritage site in hunt, valley until about three thousand, seven, hundred years ago. Unfortunately, the ten thousand year mark of extinction is in most textbooks. But let's take a closer look at that date the prominent theory that made it into most textbooks. Encyclopedia's remember those was ten thousand years ago because it was believed for decades at the mammoth migrated from the African continent through. Eurasian North America, driven by the last ice age, they were following the food supply. If that's the case, then it makes sense that some moms ended up into Hani because it was never touched by. The last ice age and yes bone. So the mammoth have been found in that region but this isn't the first theory published in Texbook. As fact that there's some founded expend believed and yes, made it into text books that the continent of Antarctica has been covered by ice for millions of years again hoops the Perry reese map drawn in fifteen thirteen shows the northern coast of Arctic as ice-free. The most puzzling aspect of the map isn't how it managed to be. So accurate three hundred years before Antarctica was discovered but that the map shows the real Coche line under the ice geological evidence. has confirmed that the latest date and Artika could have been charted in an ice free ages. Four thousand BC officials sciences been saying all along the ice cap, which covers yet arctic is millions of years old the Perry reese at Arctic map shows, but the northern part of that continent has been mapped before the ice covered it. That could make us think it has been mapped a million years ago but that's impossible since mankind did not exist at that time further and more accurate studies have proven that the last period of ice free condition and already got ended about six thousand years ago. The question is who map Queen Maud land at Arctic six thousand years ago which unknown civilization, how the technology or the need to do that I wanNA touch on just one more scientific nestled in the ancient city of Komo. Polka Bolivia are stone blocks that were used to make up a series of Pyramids Wayne from two hundred to four hundred tons each block nothing unusual there the city dates back to five, thirty, six AD. Yet. The blocks are riddled with carved indentations and in the surrounding grasses were found. Staple shaped clamps that fit in place were used to hold the blocks together. How could the indigenous people? No knowledge of urgency have created these clamps and where did the metal they use come from? This isn't the only case of metal clamps being used to hold giants don't together in Cambodia's anchor watt giant sandstone blocks way nearly two tonnes were brought to the site of the temple from nearby mountain via series of waterways. Close inspection of stones that are scattered around the site have revealed carved indentation receptacles for metal clamps perhaps. How about an eerie coincidence just outside the magnificent ruins of anger what stands an ancient pyramid temple known as backseat clump core now from Cambodia. Travel over eight thousand miles to Guatemala in the ancient Mayan city of Tacoma all among the long forgotten structures at the call is the Temple of the Great Jaguar although the Cambodian pyramid is much smaller than the pyramid in Guatemala the similarities between the specific design features are uncanny both. These pyramids both these ancient structures have an unusually steep slope angle that didn't exist in many other pyramids or temples however, and perhaps most importantly they both feature a stepped formation. There's a massive stairwell going up the middle of both temples and there's a domed area located on the top of both once there you can see there's a small door that goes inside the pyramid on both and there's another internal structure that looks the same. Basically what you have here is an ancient civilization. Cambodia. Another one in Mesoamerica despite the fact that they are separated by more than nine thousand miles, they feature incredible similarities that no one not even science has been able to explain what misplaced science was produced here at night owl sound studio and brought to you by actually recognized psychic medium Sharon Bauer author of the Book Life Eternal Love Immortal. That, you can get it's Sharon Bauer medium dot com, and if you like a mystery with that creepy little ghost, eat twist be sure to listen to night owl audio theaters presentation of Gauche detectives book to case of Wolfing priests close you can find this on stitcher or any place where you're listening to your favorite podcasts or just Google night owl audio theater I'm kit chrome thanks for listening.

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Thermal bricks could assist transition to renewable energy

The Science Show

07:47 min | 6 months ago

Thermal bricks could assist transition to renewable energy

"But next to kind of good news to make a difference already this year we've had concrete with far fewer emissions, cattle eating hey, with seaweed to make them burp less methane. And next week on the Sancho agriculture putting carbon back into the soil and this week energy storage as Antony Scalia reports. It looks like a house or payback. This metal alloy could be used to build a kind of battery big enough to run a power station. The fact that the at Woodley solid is actually related to how they functioned. That's Eric. Professor Material Science at the University of Newcastle Wearing Lodge Industrial Shit in some Bush land behind the Engineering Faculty where we're looking at a new material that could solve a very big problem. Solar renewable energy peaks at around midday. And the wind up and down all the time. So the supplies quite intermittent and unpredictable. Whereas the peak in energy demands is a morning peak around six to eight in the morning, and there's another peak in energy demand. When pick we're getting high from wooded between six, the evening, we're trying to bridge that gap by accepting renewable energy whenever it's available storing it, and then dispatching it on demand through standard steam table and technologies. Someone came out with a really nice analogy of the way the technology works tell us about the chuck chip Muffin. For one of my students. Copious came up with. A description of the storage in here is trump chip muffin knock way put it in the microwave chocolate solid initially. The energy from the micro ways melts the chocolate. You take it out and bought into it. The heat stored in the molten chocolate far exceeds stored in the rest of the metal and that's pretty much what we have. We have particles and bidding me storing hate for melting but not disrupting the. Solid nature of the books you don't want him into full time. Professor Kissy says the proof is in the pudding or the Muffin as it were but engineers in the real world say the devil will be in the detail. We have a real problem with bouncing on the Ring Road McDonald is the Mechanical Chair of Engineers. USTRALIA based in Brisbane essentially any form of energy storage is one is the resolution to that it's it's how you seat within that spice to suck up the electrons. Produced and then dumped back into the green winging actually laid. He spent a lot of time in Queensland's monster coal plants, but he's also been on sided wind turbine farms in Silverton and snowy hydro. He says the challenges of supplying energy to the electricity grid a complex. Look at the moment economically, I think ever renewable. Now I saw was challenging treatments former flexibility where can develop. It comes back to her we're running the group. Comes back to that take Liden. If, we wanted the guy from salt. We really got ahead energy storage. Loss of energy. Sorry. We can just bite through cloudy periods we invite through the not. We need something that runs with renewables on back in. Newcastle. Where with Alex Post chief technology officer for M. G. Thermal the company created to take the University of Newcastle's patented technology to market. It's a problem that's happening all over the world at the moment where the electricity grid is transitioning from very stable generation from puzzle fuels into intimate and renewables which black and trouble time depending on how much sunlight theories how much the winds blowing the. Big Problem there where they're trying to match that to demand but the coal fired power plants. The fossil fuel utilities also have a problem because they're trying to fill the gaps. So the missing piece of that puzzle is storage being able to store that renewable-energy and at the same time in case retrofit that stored energy into coal fired power plants to match that supply and demand. Perfectly. Bricks can be retrofitted to retied plants or introduced to existing plans to help them transition from fossil fuels to renewables. The boiler at a very large station luckily is the size of an eleven storey building. Storage. The actual storage material to replace that for twenty four hour period. He's a third of that volume but with all the infrastructure to connect it to the station, it would be comparable in volume but the beauties that Al Solution is modular you can actually bring a little bit of storage onto that saw and start collecting renewable energy and dispatching steam into the nine-story lawn of the station and then ramp up the storage and ramp down the combustion coal over a period of time. Increasingly, this pressure to reduce reliance on fossil fuels as economic impacts increasing use of renewable energy sources. Well. What we're proposing is transitional technology serve. Those traditional generators can continue to operate the very, very expensive assets on the grid exactly as they are. The only difference is powering them from stored renewable energy rather than burning fossil fuels. How soon will be full? Say That Lodge Sky all proof of concept that can be bigger than a lab, the initial demonstration on a solitaire. This planned for light of this year. There's a full saws demonstrated fifty five megawatt house storage in the pot potline planned for delivery light next year. That's something that has engineer Rod McDonald excited or love to go sit that what will make the technology compelling ease how fast you can it on lawn health fishing? It is how much energy you practically get out of it. The other thing will actually be the losses that are occurring system. So if you look at most Battery Systems Hot Dry storage for an exam. So he said they drop out of one liking to another like in the united. The actual Moss's in pumping in pot friction the inefficiency of the TAB on eighties profitable from an energy view still lucile. So be interesting to see what the most within their system is. The history says awesome. So as a coup mice Bachelors, Alex Post. Says a demonstration of this technology at a commercial scale just a year from now we'll prove the technology is not just efficient but also profitable. The ability to Retro Fidel, storage into this existing infrastructure is what makes it affordable to be able to store this amount of energy you need to be able to in very very cheaply. So we're talking about or is it magnitude lodge than what we can currently trade with batteries, which would be feasibly expensive unless you can do it very cheaply. So the key. is to use the assets that we already have all these power stations and repurposing them into these large energy storage facilities. Alex, you're a young guy you're born breath hunt valley. Is it satisfying to think about you know that kind of impact? On generations the generations that the planet that's can be inherited by but your kids in your kids, it's incredibly exciting to feel like we're really part of the solution and part of helping this transition take place. You know we all want to say the world's a more sustainable place and we want to see everything run from sustainable slow energy. and to feel like we're part of that impacts right here in the hunter and right here in Newcastle is thrilling. Alex post of MTA thermal with Antony skelly at ABC. Newcastle. More details on the SANCHO website.

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Nahanni Valley Pt. 2

Unexplained Mysteries

29:46 min | Last month

Nahanni Valley Pt. 2

"This episode contains discussions of murder bodily mutilation and suicide that some people may find disturbing discretion is advised especially for listeners. Thirteen charlie mcleod stood on the deck. Well his steamboat pulled into vancouver. He'd had a long journey from the northwest territories in canada. In the foothills of the mackenzie mountains just below noni valley in may nineteen o eight. Charlie had led a search party to find his missing brothers. Willie and frank mcleod. He found two headless skeletons instead. Charlie believed his brothers had been murdered by robert. We're a scottish ship engineer. Who financed the expedition. We're had accompanied the macleod's on the trap. Charlie suspected the three men struck gold. And then we're killed william frank for their shares. Charlie was now on his way to vancouver to make sure he didn't get away with it for a while. Charlie had tracked weirs movements as charlie stepped off the boat into the bustling city. He felt closer to weird. Then he'd ever been his investigation eventually. Took him to a saloon on water street. Charlie entered the bar and spotted a barrel chested trail. Weary man buying rounds of drinks for patrons he had deep pockets. The man turned around in. Charlie saw his telltale blue is. This was his brother's murderer. Welcome to unexplained mysteries a spotify. Original from podcast hosts mali. And i'm your host richard in life. There's so much we don't know but in this show we don't take we don't no for an answer. Every tuesday and thursday. We investigate the greatest mysteries of history and life on earth. You can find episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify or wherever. You listen to podcasts. This is our second and final episode on the hani valley. A stunning remote river gorge in northern canada with a history of inexplicable deaths disappearances and beheadings last time we discussed the terrifying legends passed down by the indigenous people of the area the dna and how at the turn of the twentieth century. The promise of riches lured men into it's expensive wilderness. Anyway this included willie and frank mcleod martin jorgensen and phil powers all of whom lost their heads in mckinsey mountains. This episode will examine how and why these adventures may have ended up dead and headless at the time. Officials suspected foul play. But the truth maybe much board twisted. We have all that and more coming up. Stay with us. This episode is brought to you by prime video on february fifth hour in wilson and hayek star and amazon studios mind bending film bless the story of an unfulfilled man and mysterious woman. Who believed they're living in a simulation together they must decide what's real and where they belong. Chase something real stream. Amazon studios bliss february fifth. Only on prime video around the time is brothers. Were found dead. Charlie mcleod arrived at a bar in vancouver canada. He'd tracked down robert we're man. He suspected killed his two brothers. Willie and frank as the story goes. Charlie persuaded the liquor scotsman to sit down at a table with him and before the night was over. We are recounted his expedition with mcleod brothers. We are spoke about how indigenous tribes at arrest him in the macleod's throughout their trip. They've returned to camp to find their food. Supplies ripped open. Gunshots would ring out from nearby trees forcing them to abandon camps in a hurry. They were being hunted. We're couldn't confirm their assailants identities. The trio eventually discovered the bounty. They were looking for an enormous gold vein through a granite wall in the valley but after so many brushes with death. They decided to return. Later was more people. And more weapons. They harvested a few samples and departed during their return journey. We're and the macleod's decided to split up. Perhaps hoping to confuse their trackers. I they divided whatever gold they had on hand. Then the brothers headed east and we're headed west. According to the scotsman. That's all he knew. Charlie listened to weir's account but he didn't buy it. His brother's hadn't had problems with indigenous people during their first two expeditions. In fact when charlie accompanied them in nineteen oh four. A group of dna prospectors proved helpful. They showed charlie and his brother's gold. They'd found shirley suspected we're might be using the indigenous people as a scapegoat for a murder. He himself committed. But charlie didn't have proof after their encounter in vancouver. Charlie reportedly lost track of weirs whereabouts. His quest to bring his brother's killer to justice stalled for a bit then around nineteen twenty six. he learned. We're was living on a farm somewhere in central canada. According to some accounts the farm was located in saskatchewan others claim it was in viking alberta but regardless of the exact location. Most accounts agree. And what happened next in this story. Charlie traveled to the farm to confront. We're when charlie arrived on the property. We're apparently spotted him and ran into the barn on the property and before charlie could run in after him. He heard a gunshot. Charlie sprinted to the barn but it was too late. we're had shot himself in the head. According to charlie sparks from the gun shot ignited. Bales of hay in the barn. And the fire forced charlie out of the smoking building. We're was dead and the truth about what happened to the mcleod. Brothers may have died with him. Perhaps robert weird suicide was driven by guilt for murdering charlie's brothers however there are some holes in this logic as we mentioned previously william francs bodies were found with nuggets of gold encrusted courts on their persons. If we're had murdered the brothers out of greed he probably would have left us pieces behind. We're was also a foreigner with no prospecting experience. The chances of a mining the gold alone and then getting out of the treacherous valley alive would have been extremely low. More importantly the theory that we're murdered. The mcleod brothers fails to address the most perplexing questions surrounding their deaths. What happened to their heads. If all we're wanted was gold. He probably wouldn't have decapitated his companions and made off with their skulls. Not to mention the man. Charlie mcleod allegedly met in a bar. And who later died by suicide in a barn might not have been. We're at all the royal northwest mounted police also known as the mounties crafted very different narrative of what happened to the expedition sometime in nineteen ten about two years after charlie discovered his brother's bodies a human skeleton was found three miles south of their final resting. Place the mountie who is working the macleod gays corporal. Arthur h l. meller determined. The corpse belonged to robert. We're the information available is limited. So it's unclear how he arrived at this conclusion but we do know the body didn't have any gold on it. Meller believed that william and frank had either suffered a freak accident or starve to death. We're then left the brothers to get help but an accidental death along the way as for the macleod's skulls it was theorized that a carnivorous animal chewed them off and carry them away. The predator only eight the heads because the rest of the corpses were covered in clothing and blankets now a medical examination. Confirm or deny this theory but the few reports that have survived contradict one another. Some accounts mentioned that the vertebrae at the brothers necks were in shards suggesting their heads were ripped from their bodies with raw force. Other accounts mentioned that officials found hairs scattered beside the bodies. As if they'd fallen off during decomposition this would indicate that the heads remained on corpses for a considerable amount of time. After the men's deaths perhaps a few small animals devoured the heads. But this wouldn't explain why the third human skeleton was found unscathed or why the first two skulls disappeared. Naturally charlie mcleod rejected these theories. His brothers were both experienced outdoorsman. Who knew how to feed themselves in the wild. He refused to believe they starved. He also saw his brother's bodies and decapitations looked precise made intentionally using a sharp instrument. I can acts at the end of the day. There isn't sufficient evidence to prove either charlie or miller's explanation but there is one big problem with both of them long after robert. We're either died or went on the run. Men continued to lose their heads. In the honey valley coming up to more men end up dead and headless and what they're homicides might tell us about the macleod's hi. It's vanessa from podcast. They say there's someone for everyone a soul to share your secrets with a companion to grow old with a conspirator to commit crimes with starting this february on spotify learn about the lethal and legendary lovers. Who fought the law in the park. Cast limited series criminal couples. If you've ever referred to your best friend or beloved as your partner in crime this exclusive series is for you. Beginning february i join me for a collection of awful love. Stories from shows across the podcast network. Discover the extreme beliefs of leaders. 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Jorgensen went to the no honey valley in search of gold and never returned five years later in nineteen fifteen jorgensen. Cabin was found burned to the ground with his headless corpse laying on the ground nearby. A gun found along with the body suggested he taken two shots at someone or some. Unfortunately mounties didn't visit the crime scene until the summer of nineteen sixteen perhaps due to inclement weather after a year pertinent clues were hard to come by officials quickly dropped the case due to lack of evidence author in canadian historian pierre burton suggested jorgensen simply stumbled into some bad luck with a bear following this line of thinking then perhaps jorgensen cabin confired by accident. Then as he tried to douse the flames. The fires heat drew a bear out of the wilderness. Jorgensen then tried to outrun the animal and fired two shots in self defense before getting mauled. The bear then ripped his head off with its jaws as the animal trotted back into the forest jorgensen. Cabin burned to the ground in many respects. This explanation makes sense contrary to popular belief. Fire doesn't deter bears. It may actually them and bears have a history of killing humans. In northwest canada according to yellowstone national park rangers bears also don't typically feed on human flesh. This might explain. Why jorgensen body was left intact that said. The bear theory differed dramatically from the rumors. That ran wild through the prospect or community at the time. Well gathered around fires passing bottles of liquor. Frontiers men traded legends about. How jorgensen midst. Such a grisly end. Many suspected jorgensen had found the mcleod brothers legendary prospect and harvested its fabled gold and then was murdered by a rival or there could have been a copycat killer at the time of jordan's death everyone in the northwest territories knew about the macleod murders as savvy killer could have recreated the circumstances to generate confusion. Prospectors weren't the only ones to speculate. About johnson's death. The indigenous denny people suspected the warmongering honey tribe killed the frontiers men according to dinnie legend. And the honeyman stumbled upon jorgensen organs cabin sometime in nineteen thirteen. He found the quarters empty but stocked with meet the hungry man. gorged himself on the meuse. Flesh seasoning it with what he assumed was salt from that he found nearby but he was actually seasoning. His meal with crystalline strychnine. A toxin jorgensen kept on hand to poison the animals. He trapped after eating his fill. The man killed over and died. When jorgensen returned he found the honey dead in his cabin. Not knowing what else to do he disposed of the body. But soon the a hani's friends and family grew resentful over the death of their loved one and they blamed jorgensen one night. A pair of tribesmen snack out to jordan johnson's home to exact revenge. They murdered jurgensen and burned his cabin to the ground now. This version of the story offers no explanation for why. The murderers removed jurgensen skull. Perhaps the aggrieved noni simply felt a beheading was appropriate justice for their friend or like other theories have suggested maybe it was removed by a scavenging animal regardless the idea that a murderer set fire to jorgensen cabin resolves a logistical problem. With any theory which states his death was related to an accidental fire. If the blaze was an accident the fire should have ignited the forest around it but is someone intentionally set the cabin on fire. The could have stuck around long enough to extinguish it. this possibility. that jorgensen was murdered. Was the leading theory to explain his mysterious. Death prospectors likely gravitated to homicide for two reasons. First it preserved the narrative that the mcleod mine was still out there waiting to be discovered it offered them promise. Second in the danger was tangible. If both jorgensen and the macleod's died at the hands of men their deaths were preventable. Future treasure hunters could protect themselves from a threat. They understood it wasn't as if than a honey valley was cursed. My some inescapable malevolent force or was it in nineteen thirty. Two mounties discovered the remains of phil. Powers a trapper working off of flat river. In the noni valley all that remained of power. Shelter was ashes. Although powers charred bones were found in the wreckage. His skull once again was missing in the end. Investigators officially ruled powers death an accident. They blamed a faulty stovepipe in his cabin for starting the fire but powers peers. Couldn't believe the experienced outdoorsmen would be careless enough to construct a faulty stovepipe frontiers men dick turner once wrote about powers saying if a man of that caliber could make serious mistake in the bush. Then god help the rest of us and they were right to question the theory that powers death was an accident once again. They failed to explain the missing head. The mounties who examined the scene also found the two ceramic kettles had melted together in the blaze. It's unlikely that an accidental fire generated enough heat to liquefy ceramic especially a fire that left the surrounding forest untouched. An accident also doesn't explain why powers body was found inside his cabin unless he was fully incapacitated or dead when it ignited he should have been able to escape the fire as we discussed last episode all of powers valuable belongings including the first he collected for more than a year remained entirely undisturbed. The one thing missing from his stockpile gasoline all of powers cans were empty and on the side of his supplies. Someone nailed a piece of wood with a message penciled on it filled powers his finish august nineteen thirty two. This was well after the estimated date of powers death months after he was due to return to the lowlands to marry his fiancee. And right around the time his remains were discovered the plaque hearkens back to another handwritten message found near the site of the macleod brothers bodies. Charlie came upon a dog sled runner that read. We have found a fine prospect in context both sides can be seen as ironic warnings the macleod's and powers both enrich themselves off the resources in the hunter valley and they died shortly after they presumably obtain them. Charlie claimed that the message on the dog sled runner looked like it was in one of his brothers handwriting. But he could have been mistaken. Perhaps an unknown killer wrote both messages matt a fellow prospector or trapper. But someone or something. Whose only purpose was to protect the valley a force that viewed men like willie and frank mcleod martin jorgensen and phil powers as a catastrophic threat coming up the supernatural forces that may live in the noni valley. Now back to the story now. Honey valley has always had a reputation for peril but by the nineteen thirties. Four different frontiers. Men were found dead. Headless the danger was no longer a rumour legend or gut feeling. It was a pattern of violence. Though officials claimed the deaths were accidental. Many settlers and frontiers men blamed the murders on the reclusive noni tribe. A lack of information about the group fueled wild rumours and bolstered. they're already fearsome reputation at the time. The indigenous dinnie people reportedly told white settlers that the honey should be avoided at all costs. Some suspected the honey were related to the ancient tribe who according to denny legend delighted in torturing and robbing their lowland neighbors after the macleod murders. Investigators from the royal northwest mounted police attempted to follow up on these rumors. They scoured the river valley for any sign of the tribe but every time they got close. The indigenous people retreated further into the wilderness without tangible evidence to back up their suspicions. The mounties eventually directed their time and resources elsewhere and gave up to some the nones. Elusive behavior was an indication of guilt. But there's actually no hard evidence to prove the tribe had any hand in the deaths of powers jorgensen or the mcleod brothers in fact most reliable records of the no hani paint them in a positive light during an eighteen twenty three expedition. An explorer named john mcleod and a crew he put together ran into a group of fourteen. Honey tribesmen. john's name of pure coincidence. He had no relation to willie frank. Chances or the rest of their family to avoid confusion will refer to him by his first name. John was traveling with a few members from the slavery tribe who were initially reluctant to approach the hani but ultimately his team and then hani exchanged food and gifts in fact. The meeting went so well. They made plans to meet again the following year after his second exchange several honey reportedly accompanied john down the mountain to fort layered. He guided them through the settlements giving them their first taste of their world more than a century later in the winter of nineteen twenty nine. A. frontiers woman named raymond. Patterson went camping alone in deadman valley not far from where the clouds were murdered. This was after rumors. Abounded that the noni killed the brothers and later martin jorgensen as well as he camped patterson thought he was the only living soul for miles until one day. He saw shadow in his floor. He looked up and saw an hani leader standing in his doorway before patterson could move to defend himself eight other hani joined the man in the doorway outnumbered and terrified patterson invited them inside for t- luckily one member of the party spoke english. They accepted as patterson heated the water for tea. The interpreter explained that the group was on their way back from a hunting excursion. They drained patterson's teapot to the drags and seemed departed. The frontiersmen men mused on how little the men resembled the fearsome noni of legend then a heavy thud outside medium. Jump where he went outside. A gift was waiting for him. The noni left a parcel of moose meat and expression of gratitude for his hospital. These two encounters seemed to contradict the rumors that the hani were hostile. Let the only provide limited context after john mcleod's trip many more white settlers trappers and prospectors swarmed into hani valley. This influx could have inspired more territorial behavior even incited violence. But once again there's no hard evidence due to a lack of information. We don't know who exactly the honey were. They were so physically removed from denny and settler society that the honey could have been an umbrella term for all high altitude tribes rather than a single community historian wd addison theorized that because the mountainous land was so treacherous and unpredictable. It couldn't support a permanent population. Perhaps honey tribe wasn't a tribe at all but an amalgamation of nomadic indigenous people moving through the area. This could explain why reports of the nones temperament vary so greatly. It also means these nomads. Probably weren't the ones responsible for the headless frontiers. Men people travelling through an area. Even an area they visit regularly don't typically feel a sense of ownership over it. It's difficult to understand the motivation for a tenor and tribes to kill visitors. All four men were beheaded. After harvesting resources from the valley to shelters were burned with the fires carefully contained the possibility that different tribes managed to execute such similar crimes seems very unlikely ultimately the question of what role if any the honey played in the beheadings will never be answered. They're not around anymore. As far as researchers can tell the final members died in nineteen twenty nine victims of an influenza epidemic presumably brought on by white settlers and they weren't alone many more tribal languages and ways of life disappeared as white settlers and their diseases swarmed into indigenous territory so perhaps the hunt valley itself was the culprit. It acted as a last stand against that influx of european invaders when the indigenous people couldn't protect themselves. The valley fought back. There are many legends about noni valley bloodthirsty tribes vicious prehistoric animals human ape hybrids. Some aren't so specific but they all allude to a feeling of evil a creeping dread that wells up inside everyone who sets foot inside the valley according to visitors the most tangible evidence of this evil is the wind when the breeze blows through its craggy peaks the valley seems to vocalise it wales groans and shrieks to ward off those seeking to steal its treasures. Pierre burton wrote his own experience in the valley saying the wind began to wine almost like a living thing the banshee wail mid or hackles rise as this was without a doubt the spirit sound so many men talked and whispered about the win. Didn't just create hair-raising sounds it manipulated. The land bertans group found unnatural sculpted mounds of snow. As if a giant hand had shoveled the flakes aside they also came upon massive trees laying on their sides fully uprooted as if they've been plucked like tiny weeds will never know how four of its travelers lost their heads or whether the area is truly home to an evil spirit but to this day those who venture into noni valley fall asleep to the sound of wind howling in their ears. Perhaps hinting at an ancient evil will never understand. Thanks again. for tuning into unexplained mysteries. We will be back next time with a new episode for more information on the hunt valley amongst the many sources we used. We found the legends of the noni valley by emerson peter's extremely helpful to our research. You can find all episodes of unexplained mysteries and all other spotify originals. from podcast. for free on spotify. See you next time and remember never take. We don't no for an answer. Unexplained mysteries is a spotify original. From podcast executive producers include max and ron cutler sound design by nick johnson with production assistance by ron shapiro carly madden and freddie beckley. This episode of unexplained mysteries was written by hannah macintosh with writing assistance by angela. Johnson and connor samson fact checking by adriana romero and research by brian beatrice unexplained mysteries stars. Molly brandenburg and richard rosner. Hi vanessa again before you go. Don't forget to check out. The new limited series criminal couples from elliptic cult leaders to bank robbing bandits to married mafiosos. These couples give new meaning to till death. 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The Case Against Adnan Syed - Episode 4  Time is the Killer

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The Case Against Adnan Syed - Episode 4 Time is the Killer

"Hi and welcome back to undisclosed. This is our continuing coverage of the HBO series the case against non Sayid. And today, we're gonna be talking about the final episode time is the killer. My name is Robert Shaw three I'm an attorney and author and I'm here with my colleague Susan Simpson. And Colin Miller guys. So this up Assode, this is a big hefty very emotional episode and. It starts off fairly early on with news that by the way was news not just to many viewers, but most people actually know onto Shamim advance mother. And that is the fact that she was diagnosed with leukemia about I guess it's been I don't even know you're in a half ago. I'm not sure I I've lost track of time. But the day that I found out which was captured in the episode. I had no idea what was going on. And I will be honest, I yelled at the. Yaldo the documentary team. I think everyone knew that was happening. So many of us this hundreds of us we're gonna I mean like watching and you're gonna be there. So many people are coming today and just three months. Demon gill? On. What happened? You wanna go to the other? Leukemia. What? When you say. This. No, I. The other room. I was like stopped filming. And they actually told me. Okay. We did we stopped filming. But and then I afterwards. Well afterwards. I was like I want. I don't want any of that in there. And nobody listened to me. But anyway. And so anyhow, but since that time onto Shamim was like, I knew and her husband knew and nobody else knew and. That was a that was really hard to sit on that for all this time. Not use of not a non not her oldest son in veer. Nobody none of our good friends. So you know, when you know, Susan, and I attended viewing of the early viewing of of the episode this past Thursday that HBO organized, and there were a lot of people in the community who were there. And I I mean humans community from the mosque and everybody was shocked 'cause they had no idea either everybody found out for the first time there. I mean, it was kind of emotionally brutal the way they I mean just narrowly got punching they did it with having a non talking about his comparison of being wrongfully convicted with how the terminal illness. And you know that at that point. He does not know how that is. And how his mother was saying the same things he was talking about when when says in the circumstances. People all thing I can ever Clayton. Talk to civil money. I I haven't terminal illness like gonna need it. And then eventually comes to a point where it's like, you know, what I'm not going to be. Yeah. That was brilliant the way the juxtaposed because that's not something obviously that they coaxed out of him that was his own and he loves making those kinds of analogies that was his own analogy. But the way they transposed it with like, you know, footage of on DM Yousef going to visit him that was that was pretty rough. But you know, I was starting to panic up until about a month ago auntie still hadn't told them. And I I was like what are you doing? And I kept saying you can't he cannot find out from the documentary. I all he will break free just to, you know, just to deal with be like, why did you tell me? And I told her I said, I'm not allow that to happen. I can't do that to him. So you gotta tell them I'm going to tell them and she did thankfully right before the first episode aired so. As for house. She's doing she seems to be doing. Okay. She's to be honest. She's like this little fortress. She doesn't tell you a lot very much like her, son. Don, ask you ask her how she's doing. Everything's fine. Everything's fine. And it's hard because I've said gimme gimme the test results. Can like, you know, they're there have amazing context. I know some of the best call just and I just can't get any movement from I've set go Gago with you. To you know, for your follow ups, and whatever. But she's like, no, I'm I'm okay. So, but now that so many people know she's gonna have a lot of people on her about which is good. I'm glad finally. Secret's out. No one really has time to go to the post office. You're busy who's got time for all that traffic, parking luxury mound packages. It's a real hassle. That's why you need stems dot com. One of those popular time saving tools for small businesses stamps dot com eliminates trips the post office N saves you money with discounts that you can't even get into post office stamps dot com's brings all the amazing services. The US postal service writes your computer, whether you're a small office, sending invoices in online seller shipping out products. 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So that he can get a birthday gift for Stephanie within. Apparently, jeez says non told him to get ten pounds of marijuana. And then threatened to call the police if he didn't help, but none berry Hayes body, which again, it's j so he can be completely making this up. That didn't happen for hundred dollars. Please certainly, but you sort of match that up with the phone call Nikita where he says he got busted with a lot of marijuana. And that's why he sort of informs points finger at at nine, and again, you know, Susan just said this this very well could just be completely fantasy and Jay's minds, but he does seem to have this story about a bunch of marijuana. That's playing out in a few of these stories. He's telling now, and it might be meaningful or not, well, it's based on some truth. I mean, the ten pounds thing is not true. I will not believe that sort of having films of him from ninety nine actually haven't marijuana. But there there was like a low level dealing going on between like high school kid stuff, not not calling dealings kind of stretch. But like selling to friends that was something that Jay. And even a to extent was doing like in a very tiny scale. Yeah. And then also, according to the summary J repeats, his story purposely from the intercept interview where he says the trunk pop was outside my house from my grandmother's house and not at the best buy, and then he says the best buy came from the detectives which in. Intercept interview he says he needs to be met up with a non at best buy. But then the trunk pop was that his grandmother's house, so that's a little bit different. And of course, historically, it's Jen who mentions best buy two detectives Jane is first race says no that trunk pop is this strip of Emmons avenue, and the mayor says it's best buy and then Jen later tells the Serta team I never believed to happen in best buy. So we still have this lingering confusion of had his best buy come into the story. Who's the person is it Jay is it Jen is at the police who sort of initiate this best buy trunk? Well, didn't I mean by that time the police already had hoped shop collecting answers to questions from other students. Right. And so I thought it came up there. I that's what I did. But how Jay got that story is pretty clear now by got it from the police he got the full part Ajay's current call him stories almost stretch every every time we talked today. You knew story. He's never said the same story twice ever in his life stars like Intel indefinite about this case. But the thing he hasn't store his current like in terms of early twenty nineteen his current story is that he did go to school at three o'clock to try and find a non and given the car back, but couldn't find a non. Yes that is. That was interesting. I mean, that's actually been that's been well one theory a non had of jesse's DJ come back to school at three and run into. Hey. Yeah. That's what made me think about that. And I thought that was weird that he would say, but we also don't know what time he's talking about like during the day recall, three o'clock. Oh, he's say three o'clock. Okay. Okay. Okay. Miss that. But it's probably true. Because that's probably what happened because that's you know, a school has done a non might want to like run out and grasping for track. Or to get his car back. Jay have it for hours and hours. And also like what what's the story. When does is it like the first or second pre interview where Jay talk spelling his friend, Jeff MIDA Gemeda and how he takes him to school. Yes. The first pre interview he says he goes to school Jeff takes him. He sees Stephanie and see that was I guess his very first initial story. The pre interview he does say he goes to LAN high school, and he's got all the way back to that once again, and I will say like the conversations can't record them. But the conversations Jay is having with people in the documentary the way he talks kind of saying he was talking to me. It's just the way phrases everything. It's like he did he doesn't claim knowledge of the murder. He's like well in my eyes nonce guilty, or I believe in on did it or just like the way he talks, it's not a guy who knows right in my eyes. It's like he's telling this is an opinion. He has not that I have witnessed this. I was there. That's how I have personal knowledge of it. But one thing about the three PM thing. What is he? He is he trying to say now, maybe we don't know who is trying to say. But so he's saying the two thirty six stuff that is all bull show up. All right. He can't be saying I was called by him to thirty six. I went to go meet him at the time or whatever and like everything's gone. Then from that afternoon. He is saying the butt dial. Essential. He is right. He is saying that he should because he can't be like I was looking for him at three o'clock. And also I was with him as we were disposing of the car at three o'clock. It can't be both. But, but he also basically because he's now said that or at least in two thousand fourteen that he saw the the body later that night that means the the Berea time has gone to anyway. Okay. All right. It's all on. All right. So let's talk a little bit. They move into. And this was a little bit disappointing to me. But. Eric Ervin the turf Aula gist, an experiment that Allah gist. Oh, is that what that is turf Israel, just my future career, God bless him. Because he he took the grass seriously. And he eventually noticed something Susan you noticed years ago. But let's talk about this. Go ahead. Yeah. So I was I I wish they had like a million hours because I would love to learn more about what they'd like the testing. And like go into details. Not even for the case. I feel failure recontacting Eric soon. I from what from what I know. I believe has results are like they were the answer is it is inconclusive. It seems unlikely both nothing you can say is definitively. It's scientifically impossible for the grass to still been green. But it's not a it's also like you here I'm saying enough so too. It's like that's doesn't seem normal for this type of grass we got here. Given the weather conditions, but it was not something that you could say with scientific friends Turkey still unlikely just not I am glad proof, but. He also points out that like, okay, we'll also go back to the car. I mean, do you have the pictures are had seen in a while? Definitely go back and look and just look at the whole area, and what he also points out look at Hayes car compared to the other cars around there and how there's just fresh dirt and leaves. And we'll Grassley guess in the tire treads of her car. Not the cars around the one thing. Yeah. It's it's fresh like stuff there in the tires, which seems to suggest that when will he suggested I mean that you know, if there have been any kind of rainfall or a freezing thawing, it would that would have been washed off on the other. You're right. I mean, at least the car in the in the episode right next to it. The tires are completely clean. I haven't looked gone back and look the pictures. But that also made me think I haven't looked. I haven't looked like the weather day by day. And I wonder if is is that one way to kind of maybe get an a little bit of a timeframe of maybe within what period the car is moved there. Because. Huddles. We don't know that. I mean, it's I mean when we one thing we do know is that Hayes cars parked in a way that that car next door part could knock it off his driver's side door. Right. So like, that's gestion. That light was maybe that night. Well, well, the Hayes car was there less long than later in time than that car was, but yeah, so the purpose of like, okay. So a day like maybe a week could still be there. But not six weeks not six weeks. The car was not their six weeks. Like, susan. I'd really like to hear more detail on urban conclusion is this implausible but possible is it. I just have no idea. But yeah, I mean, I've always subscribed to the main theory about the tire treads instead grass being there. And that's the thing for me that always was the most confusing confounding in almost like a head to be a mistake. This photo had to be taken after they had moved the car a little bit in that lot. Because I see no way. Way that sitting there for six weeks when there's been rain and snow and ice in that green grass would still be there on the tire treads or any grass at all. Like, it's it's the car was not there. I have a whole theory. My whole theory is that was out in the county and move because of the kind of documentation that has emerged in the case file, I don't know if you guys have any other theories, I mean, we've just can't know basically have like other cases, you can see where like cars case. And I looked at Carfax two murders have been found in Edmonson village. And when they were finally located not too long after they got there, by neighbors ported, it the cops actually sat on the car for a bit like watched it came back for like a day and a half two days. So the idea they find the car, not immediately sees it makes total sense. 'cause we know they've done that in the same time period. Same location for other victims cars, so it's possible that like they had seen it before this. We don't know where it was before. Then I kind of wonder if like. It legit was stolen by someone. Told me connected. Anything involved in the murder, and that's how it end up there from wherever it was before. Yeah. I would say for me. This is something where for urban report. But also, you know, what happened with the helicopter pilot and everything they have. I mean for me, this is sort of the biggest remaining thing everything else about Jay's story is just gone now, it's not only been liking crop ration- based upon say Christie's class at night. But also, it's now dispelled the one thing remaining that the state has is their story at Ajay found his car. And so we sort of have an incomplete at this moment. But that's that's really what I'd like to deal back into at this point and see if we can get some conclusions on this. All right. So let's talk about they talk a little bit about Krista and a non staying in contact over the years on her. I mean her album was removed. I was looking at that. And I felt ashamed at the way. I have his letters like stuffed into a. Read. Well, that's falling to pieces. I've always been bad. I don't even my first wedding pictures in an album, but any of those. Heard on. And I think Krista might have been the only person from school who remained in touch with non all over the years and pretty amazing because at the end of the day much like me, neither one of us. Like, she didn't know a lot about the details of the actual case. But I think she just believed he was innocent. You wonder how many people out there have been convicted of were sitting in jail or waiting trial that the evidence might not be there, and they are away from their families and missing the real world for something that they didn't even do. And I think that's the saddest part. And then obviously, the other part is that hey is gone. And we still don't know what happened to her. And then we meet for the first time. It was I thought it was I kind of love the way they they introduced theorize in this and really tall and made the connections between his political aspirations and him prosecuting this case, and we're introduced to his former campaign manager, Sarah dill, how unusual is. The prosecutor. I've never heard of it. I think what it comes down to did it for the publicity. When he agreed to take the case. He had already made the decision that he was running for office. I think he has his eyes on greater political ambitions. Not about the law. It's not about Justice. It's about making a name for himself. So Sarah had actually reached out to me a bit ago. And I then connected her to them. I said, you don't if you if there's anything you wanna talk about you couldn't it's totally on us. Nobody forced nobody even knew existed, and she'd left his campaign for a lot of other reasons to there've been ethics violation kind of complaints filed against his campaign. And I know she knows something about that too. But she didn't really talk about that. She really was there just for one reason and that was to. Point to the fact that is sounded like he had already made up his mind to run for district attorney to run for state's attorney of Baltimore against Maryland Moesby. And then he took the case because he thought it would help a name for him. Did. I mean, he wasn't wrong. It did. But I I'm surprised that he thought a case that got so much attention because it raised questions of a person's innocence would actually good for him to prosecute seems like a stupid move. I guess in his mind he believes in show how good a prosecutor is. Yeah. But I mean, I feel like the public has shifted a little bit about in terms of what they think of good prosecutor is well, I wash it should more. But I think that's not on necessarily unsound strategy to think that showing that you can prove a big case was not a big US or something would be appealing to voters. He do he probably misjudged this one a little bit. But I I don't think the underlying theory back in twenty fifteen or whatever it was necessarily unsound. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's. Certainly, you know, there's the old line about no publicity is bad publicity. And even even okay? Yeah. I mean, you know. It's something where you know. It's it's one of two things and possibly both one is that he's just a true believer in don's Gill. And he wanted to stand this case, and as a matter civic duty and wanting to uphold this conviction. That's what he claims, right? A progressive prosecutor for him is not only overturning back convictions. But I pulled in good ones the other side of it is she certainly was running for DA, and you know, thought this would raise his profile. As is noted in the episode. This is kind of unprecedented. What he was doing in the case. And I have a lot of issues looking through his record about prior cases reuse been the prosecutor and made misstatements and led to convictions being overturned, and so I don't have to favorable than opinion of him. I can't say definitively what he was doing in this case, but haven't been too happy with many of the choices he's made during this appellate process. See now. Those are harsh words coming from Colin Miller, the harshest I've ever my favorite hero case is the one where he. Claimed that the DNA evidence was not pointing towards the defendant because the defendant carefully cleaned off just his own DNA. That's amazing. See here's whether or not he's a true believer arguments. Like that and arguments he's made in this case show, bad faith. That's it's not a true believer. He wouldn't have to lie about his own high school experiences. Exact he wouldn't have to lie. But I also thought it was I was like very I thought it was brilliant of aiming to pop in that little clip of him in that interview where he you know, he's challenged on his saying, I'm progressive. I don't believe that, you know, juveniles in life sentences have got and yet he continues to four free prosecute a case in which he's trying to keep juvenile defendant locked up for life. I mean, I don't know how he reconciles those two things. And that's a question that I don't think was well, he probably wouldn't answer because Amy try very very hard to get him on the record. He just wouldn't talk to her. So let's put a now if you are attorney on the legal system anywhere in the US and you've ever encountered a pro Bono prosecutor of sort of. Like, what's happening? Here wants no I'd love to I just have not encountered that ever before. And I have not talked anyway has. I can imagine. Maybe it's happened somewhere in the US. But if it has I haven't heard of yet. So I'd love to know. And this is a case, you know, with the probe owner prosecutor, and we also had dirty. The pro defense attorney, which I think the trial back in two thousand one very differently. If you're heading arrange for Ben Arroyo Representative and gets rid of this sweetheart plea deal, and so both the trial and the appellate stage. It non was facing very unique circumstances in how these cases were being litigated. I'm curious to see. And I know as we continue to litigate nonce case, whether or not the will also contain represent the state, I just I mean, there's theory, but there's also like frosh, what are you doing? It doesn't tire there. You know office of people above him who are continuing to stick with this decision. And I I wonder if it's only because nobody else wants to touch it. I don't know. What's happening? Yeah. I I think the safe bet is that make people don't want it for political reasons are just like professional are just like ease of life. Don't want case. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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We could expect if the state's narrative of the case, which is she was killed in the car, and she'd been struggling and she had her head precedent, the car, she's struggling to to save herself. We'll kind of injuries we'd expect to see. And she says that we really don't see any of it, not an we've seen pictures of the inside the car there really isn't any evidence inside the car either of such a struggle and also go back to the actions that for they did quote extensively from the transcripts usually. They didn't do they use. Footage. They had it. But for the most part the documentary did not read all transcripts. That's boring as heck they did here. Because what Murphy the other prosecutor argued at trial was like a very specific set of events about what happened. We know. That doubt this way, we know the fight that this and this, and this it was a very very vivid and clear picture that was allegedly by evidence not that's a fantasy. She came up with and that stories specific which is to say that the assailant is in the driver seat. And hey was in the passenger seat which would line up with non possibly driving the car as opposed to some other scenario, and Dr gorniak here is clearly saying well know, these hemorrhages they don't seem to line up at all with eerie that her head was sort of banged against the window. And that's what led to these hemorrhages. Well, you know, she said something about an I have to go back and watch it again, even I've seen it twice. But I need to. I haven't quite understood what she was saying in terms of she thought they were like post mortem hemorrhaging, which means what that maybe she was hitting and later it hemorrhaged in that area. It could mean that she doesn't have the like all she has its the outer autopsy photos, so she's not have the actual injuries to the head. But she was suggesting that because the injury didn't have all the parts injury expect if it was actually a physical injury. It could be at some of the like discoloration or other changes that were noted were not from an injury that was during life or even after death. It was just composition because what she was seeing was not consistent with the injury type that was being proposed. And then she talked about limited. She explained television works and comparing it to these marks they focus in on these double diamond market is something that, you know, the three of us been talking about for while now and an how and this is really really important for people. You know, the question of when she was buried when she's left there. Those marks could not have been fixed unless she had been on whatever she'd been laying on whatever created that Mark for at least ten hours, and there's nothing not on her clothing nothing in the park that matched those marks. So Don is like that and the defendant the other the rest of limited. He pattern makes defy. That she could not have been left and Lincoln park at seven thirty that evening. I wish we had more time. We'll for everything and the show, but which had more time to talk to have more time screen type gorniak 'cause she was great. But if I had like one narrative criticism of the documentary is that it doesn't do a lot of hand holding which I'm okay with usually. But like I would not have minded a little bit more in certain places because it's often seems like a choice to leave viewers to make their own conclusions. They're not force-feeding anything. They're not going to like spoonfeed exactly what it was the means. They give you the interviews and kind of leave it to the viewers to understand import. But they don't spend it all they do. But for gorniak what she confirmed is that the autopsy photos and the burial photos and went from the doctor Corrales testimony. So she is buried have recap liberty for those who've not so in a while she was not buried on Hearst her front service. She was on her side like hip to the ground other hip in the air. She was not positioned in a way that. Could cause this kind of vity wherever she was in like, Mark. But also, we know that even if she'd had been laid out the bright way Lincoln park, I wouldn't have mattered still couldn't have been done there. She couldn't have been left there because it is not match where she was found and terms of the pressure marks which are clearly noted in the autopsy report, and I find it impossible to the doctor Carell who's passed away since then didn't understand significance of this. And why it made it impossible for hate of unburied. When Jay says, she was and connecting that up, of course with other evidence, the Lincoln park Ping's are the seven oh nine seven sixteen Ping's. And then, of course, the main cooperation for Jay, which of course, has been called into question after the Christie class schedule is that they try to say the eight oh four and eight oh five calls to jen's pager is Jay paging, Jen. And then. Yeah. Meeting Westview mall, and that's when he supposedly says we just buried. Hey. And I need. To wipe down the abuser. Throw them in the dumpster. Which of course, if the burial isn't until ten thirty at the earliest will this means the story is a complete lie. And of course, that makes sense because with Christy having the wrong day. This whole sequence of events is set off a phone. Call to jen's issue makes the Christie's place, but you had to key the validity. Is it knocks out the Lincoln park. Ping's it knocks O J telling Jen about this murder and burial sort of in the eight o'clock hour on January thirteenth. What kills me? Probably more Indian this case is J's intercept interview when he will tells the interviewer found later, she was probably not buried until closer to midnight. My one hand why the interview or not freaking follow up on that whatever to how does J. No this. This was like this to me is a clear occasion that the obvious was obvious back, then Dr corral and investigators and probably prosecutor they all knew the story didn't make sense. And somehow that was conveyed to Jay who was also aware of the fact that the burial had to have happened scientifically closer to midnight. And then Susan tying back to what we discussed earlier with Jay saying that the police told me this happened at best buy, that's awesome. Intercept interviewer Jay says based upon information. I learned later the killing didn't take place in best buy. So the follow up question on adequacy is. Well, what did you learn who did you learn that from about not being at best buy I thought he's he made those comments in twenty fourteen. Right. And so at that point somebody is somebody who was following either guys blogging or like, no, no, no. It was out. It was it wasn't don't that was fourteen the photos weren't heading. Interview they were not not out. But you one of you. I remember this. I remember this the reason I remember this because I had to go chronologically document. How all this happened for the book. And I remember when I made the connection, and I'll go back, and look, but it had already been discussed on social media or one year blogs, and then it popped up in the interview. I distinctly remember the so what we'll doubt. Time. I don't recall coming up to like early January twenty fifteen it was it was close, and it was also on the reds. It was I absolutely. But now I'll go back and confirm because I remember having to piece together for the book. Anyway, I thought it was uric. I'm like uric is probably still in contact with Jay still telling him negative make adjustments. But yeah, I mean like you said call this throws out anything that Jen has to say about that evening out the window completely. The autopsy report refutes all of it. All right. So they also disc-. Well, they did not discover the identity potential source. What do you guys think about this? These concrete Shoemark or shoes or whatever they're called. I am hesitant to. I think it's possible that if we ever if we could work backwards if we've found evidence where she was killed and kept we then find possibly that seeing that link back to that. I do not think we have enough necessarily to go the other way to go from the markings to to finding object. I think it's a theory could. Fit. It's possible. I don't know how helpful this try and work away around ideas, look at and consider for sure, but it's not confirmatory of anything. You know? I put this call out. I think a couple years ago on social media is like, look, we're just looking you know, any suggestions. And I've gotten hundreds and hundreds of like tweets, and pictures and DM's people showing me like the insides of Camaro carseat covers and the trunks and NAMI. This is so many things like, Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. No, something are clearly it's like, you know, things that are like the negative impression. No further record. I've went out there. You can stop suggesting any kind of item. It's not a solid flat surface. Yeah. It's got be all flat surfaces true. And also. Yeah. So it has to be a can't have any more exit right ridges or anything like all it flat raise service. I mean, I will say everything all sessions I've seen this is probably the closest which is interesting. But I don't think it's rise to level more than interesting. Yeah. I mean, it's something for me. I don't think you can reverse engineer it it does seem like it's plausible that. That could be the cause. But yeah, I think it's really tough to narrow it down in say has to be this. And it can't be anything else on the other hand. I am sure. If anything in this case that I am sure. That sellers lying. I know. I mean, obviously, not the point. I can like there's no proof of it. But everyone knows he's lying. I mean Massey knows he's lying. Everyone knows sellers line. The question is why. So yeah, there's definitely more to learn there. Yeah. And I didn't realize that. I mean, it wasn't the kind of showed it how they just walked right into the schools right there. And that was yeah. I don't know. I don't know how he could have intercepted her. And I don't know what he was doing on the thirteenth, and I don't think at this point anybody's ever tried to figure out what he was doing on January thirteenth. There's no he has worked records. There's no clear alibi there. It's not like conclusive. And he also I guess kind of had the work thing where he could leave worked to right? So going home today have a twenty two. Yeah. He would just do jobs at Coppin state. It's not as if you would be constantly supervised during the day. Yeah. I think the one thing I've always thought, you know, from what we do know for her haunt autism report is gonna wanna. Over she was killed, and she was left, and she was lying on top of these objects for at least ten hours, it has to be a place that a person could comfortably leave a body for that long. And know that they're not going to be discovered I assume which seems to suggest like a private kind of a private space. I don't know what do you think they would have hoped have had one of those obviously gonna try to find someone that what's private? I mean, we have zero evidence whatsoever. The hey was ever in the trunk of a car? And there's reason to doubt that part of the story is true because look at trunk of car. Like, there's nothing about it. That makes it seem. There was ever a large object in there. 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And you know, when folks asked us over the years me, Don adjust any in a why aren't you in the DNA testing? There's a couple of considerations here. Number one that the fact that the PC our proceedings were going, well, they were going in our favor and Justin Justin strategy to say we're going to hold this until unless we need it. Because we might we might lose a PC are than we might have to play this card, but the other thing also was this knowing that in the past when defendants tried to get DNA tested in order themselves taken years the State Department. Yeah, it'll it like six years for what was the name. Oh, goodness. Muck O'Brien took six years for him to finally win in court. The the permission to test the evidence in this case because that's how hard the state can confer. Fight. But anyhow in this case, both the state and the defense came to an agreement around the time. These plea Goldens were happening also in this episode. We'll talk about that in a bit to test them evidence. Some of the evidence I will say Justin strategy has been hundred validated. Though, the point like why not have strong PC our petition going on why divert energy resources and attention to something that would take long or just as long longer to actually accomplish. And divert your tension for should fight for it. When if you do well, the PCR the state's going to have to do it anyway, which is what happened here because it this is not a question of like non just choose test tested. The he could not flat out. No, no, only the state can do that only. They can say, oh, we're gonna test today and just do it. I mean, they can do whatever they want, but it also validated because the state's response, which they told the sun, basically. So what I don't know how the exact quote on me. But they said it doesn't prove innocence. And so imagine if we had gone through that six year eight year battle and the states has so what that's the other thing. There's always this. I mean, it's been. A longtime is not clear. The Baltimore police have great method of preserving DNA Evans, or at least did not back then. So yeah, this was I really hoped it was otherwise but back in my head. I kind of always probably would have bet. This is going to be the outcome to extent, we've know the outcome. Good on the second. It's not totally themselves. It's a complicated question and Justin does kind of lewd to this on the documentary. But one of the issues here is like the DNA testing can it could radically harm non so you don't want to rush into this. The big concern in this case from the defense reflective is the car Hayes car because we know from the friends that were done that guess what? Some of the stuff is still in the car is fingerprints are still in the stuff in the car. His DNA was absolutely thousand percent in her car like unquestionably in any university know of his DNA wasn't that car. So if they did DNA testing of the car, and it came back to a non well that's going to be used but a state or like doing a victory lap. Like, oh my God. He's so guilty when it's evidentially. It's me. Louis. So that was one funny don's DNA in the car boyfriend or her brother's DNA in the car, right? Just like anybody else who become contact with her? So it wouldn't matter legally it'd be a huge victory for the PR campaign from the state. So that was one of the concerns that they had that in the end the DNA from her car was not tested. So that was that's how they kind of indicated that issue. Yeah. So he he helps he coordinate with them to decide what things will be tested things. That would be more evidence you value. Right. If they if they had a DNA hit so twelve samples were tested. Let's start with a finger nails. The big one the one that the fingernails were always the just the biggest hope for solid conclusive answer in this case. It was you know, it wasn't necessarily very likely one. But there was a real legit hope there that like there could be an answer that could tell us everything there is not we know that the fingernails that were fingle clippings that were taken at the time about topsy were tested and for the. The one of the fingernails. There was nothing found DNA was just all belong to. Hey, and the other we know that there was a contributor was not. Hey, but it was so small just one section of DNA wanna Lille that it's it's meaningless in terms of value. It has done like the female themselves are also kind of a question for a few reasons because the records about them are not always consistent. And the question of why they weren't tested before has never been answered. Even with described is so different from like report to report, for instance, we know that in the original inventory sheets from the BPD. They described this evidence as left fingernails, plural. And right fingernail singular which kind of raise the question like, so you only have one fingernail from the right hand and multiple from the left. But then we have the most in twenty thousand two thousand eighteen we have the Renzo reports where they're going through the documentary tested, and they describe how there were from the left fingernail clippings. They were three. Lessons that were generally thirty and for the right fingernail clippings says that were six specimens that were generally dirty and specimen doesn't mean the whole nail clipping. But that does sound very much like that was not just a single nail. So why can't they describe their Evans consistently for me, much, bigger, take home as this? We know from the nineteen ninety nine testing that when they looked at the thing, you know, clippings, Salvador Bianca, the trace analysis unit guy concluded that quote, nothing of evidence your evalu- was detected. But then we get to this report from the twenty eighteen DNA analyst who as she's going through and doing her initial evidence taking slobs. She writes talking about how they were in nine hundred nine the possible presence of epithelial cells was noted and no testing was performed. Okay. Where's she getting that? Like what data source does this DNA analyst have that told her this when the stuff given to the defense never said that? Yeah. I mean, this is something that's very much inconsistent with what Bianca said. And of course, if you're a call. Back to earlier episodes and undisclosed it was something where Bianca gave very inconsistent testimony about the hair that were found on Hayes body, and it wasn't really revealed in a clear way until between the first on the second trial that there are these two hairs van on his body that were not a match for either. Hey or non and yes the same question. Does you is what is the basis for this conclusion because it very much contradicts? What Bianca had said of time trial tells me that there are some sort of reports out there that the people inside PD have access to that have never been handed over the defense because that information is not included in the stuff that that should exist. And which mentioned Brian he spent I think more than six actually years fighting at the tested, and that case they were thinking clippings that were allegedly recorded with recorded as being destroyed the fishery in terms of the evidence that was being disclosed like the employee records whatnot. There's nothing to test. That was a lie. They lied about it. They did exist. They did fine on the tested them. They did not match. Bryant they matched the apparent killer. So yeah, the fact that that he would live that totally believable because I worked lying about backlands exact time period. And by the way, those also Brits case same detective in this case. So yeah, that's that's upsetting to me is that we now know that there was some kind of testing done on the thing and clippings determined that there were skills. They're not surprising clippings to do that and not recorded anywhere enough test. It why wouldn't they test it in that goes to another item? They tested now. And that goes to the crown Royal bottle that was found very close to Hayes body. This is another part of the DNA testing. That's maddening to me. Sorry. It's not what I call. It crown Royal it was like coronet something some kind of brandy anyway, they test the mouth of the bottle and the cat like they took a swab of those things and they determined scientifically from analysis there. There were skin cells on them. They were skills recovered from these items, and we know that those cells were recovered and retain for future possible Nelson. Okay. Where are they now? And why weren't they tested in two thousand eighteen because two thousand eighteen they test is again, the actual bottle cap and the bottle rim, but not not the skin cells that were covered and presumably preserved better, you know, twenty years ago, and what we know now that from those the bottle cap and from the mouth of the bottle. There was DNA recovered. It was just not DNA that conclusion was reached about bottle was found in very close proximity to Hayes body. Unlike the condom wrappers they did testing on a kind of wrapper that heading conclusive results, but that was not done close to the body. But then Susan me have this other piece of evidence, which like the bottle was one of two pieces of evidence found very close to the body a hundred plus feet into Lincoln park with no obvious path. And so then yeah. Which through on this Rober wire that they find by the body. So the ropes always been intriguing because it doesn't it's not been like a. Focus necessarily because it's a bit and big you. And we don't know what about it. So we do know is that what like forget executives. It was very close like within reach of where his body was. There was this white rope like material found on Iraq laid out. They call it ero- p- and the way they blog into evidence. But you could tell that description is not very accurate from the phone. And also from the fact that the twenty teen the endless she actually writes a report that there's a section for like descriptive inaccuracies in their inventory. And she writes this item is described on win as as a rope. But was found to pieces of tan wire. So yeah, it's not it's two pieces of wire one is longer what a shorter we don't know the actual distances or links them. You know, it's it's strange, but there's trashing Lincoln park that area floods sometimes stuff gets washed in their what's shocking to me as far as we can tell them support, which is very opaque and how it's written and very hard understand some of the findings. Made what appears to be the case that this rope. This this this wire the smaller one anyway is the only section where they found a full complete profile that they could not identify. It was a woman. So apparently, they obviously tested the x chromosome and found out it was a female contributor. But when I can't understand why this object out of all of them would have a full profile, and that makes me think that might have more significance than I previously would have thought. Because again, if this was an item that was Washington as trash like years, where he was put there, you'd think it was like, the least likely place to find DNA they have been my least likely spot expect to find it. So just like just like I understand somebody who does not understand. How a lot of the stuff works a full of full DNA profile could come back from what from skin cells from probably skin cells. Schism bid from so skin cells is what we're probably looking at here. Somebody holding it. I mean, it could be spit. But like, I guess that's and we can't rule it out. But I don't that'd be hard to understand. So and we know this is not Hayes. We well. We think we know it's not Hayes. The report is not written in a way to make it comprehensively. If it's unidentified, isn't that mean, it's not haze? Well, they didn't have a full profile for. Hey, either. So how'd and then I have a full profile for the victim person. Because DNA was degraded that they had a blood card for her. But, you know, either because of the condition was when when she was found because of how they stored it that did not get a full profile from it. So at least, theoretically, I don't think it's necessarily statistically likely. What we know at least there quickly this. If this is not a full profile, perhaps like for the rope or wire, they found DNA that was not the the sections that were recovered from the one card, so it could be Hayes what you would necessarily know from testing. We don't know the way the report is written just doesn't tell us everything in. That seems intentional because while switch report like this the other option in any case that you consider the possibility of contamination, and we do know that from the chain of custody logs. There was at least one woman who handled the evidence briefly and the fall of nineteen ninety nine presumably all normal precautions were used presumably she didn't handle a different from from any other person involved in moving the men were involved as well. But we can't like ironclad. Roll out the possibility that woman who was handling it as evidence manage to contribute to break down. We can't rule out that it's a woman who handled the evidence. But that seems unlikely we can't rule out that it is Hayes DNA profile, but on other items, they found DNA proof. I was consistent with him. And obviously this going to sing known females. That's unlikely we can't rule out that this rope recorder wire was just sort of washed there, but that makes it seem odd given the full DNA. Profile, and that you know, that leaves you with a pretty solid belief that this at least has some connection to either Hayes murder a burial. Because you know, all the other items besides the brand new bottle and this rope record or by the street, those two items are within inches of Hayes body. And so, you know, this seems at least like a possibly sub lead. But we just need more information to see what was found. Exactly. And what can be done with it to me, though, dramatically increases the chances that this was collected the murder just because the odds that it was deposited close. In time to inhale was placed there just are much higher like DNA to still be there suggests that there is a connection. But then again, we just know so little about what this wire what I was thinking. What is it? Like, it sounds so weird. Like is it a little it's a ro? Visit a thick rope is a enough to strangle. What are we talking about here to transport? It's a Tanisha like stretch. Once we leave into the links of one's longer one shorter and once tied in nice little. What like shorter is a weird way describe it. You don't you? We'd have some dimensions in the report on they just they called it. A rope for twenty years, and it wasn't even a rope at all so. Yeah, that's and here's what I wanna know you the photos from the crime scene, and you could see the couple photos. I did take this stretch of wire wires, we can't tell it's one or two in the photo. And there's like clearly a little white rectangular plastic do Hickey that may or may not be attached to the wires as some kind of like cord harness or some kind of like connector, maybe. But like why didn't win pick up this like plastic container? Do Hickey that was possibly or seemingly attached to the wires. That was again like just a couple of feet from the the victim. But it was never been logged in evidence ever described. And and the way they've handled the rope over the years by calling it a rope by not putting it evidence review by good airs which committed look at the evidence, they made sure that no one could actually know what the hell this thing really was. But we can know it now because it exists. I mean, they still have it. So maybe we could ask Justin to give us an actual description of it like does shorter wire like three. Foot rope. What what are we talking about here? Well, the the bigger ones definitely I'd say from the scale at least a couple of feet, maybe more. But again, you can't tell that's like actually two piece of wire or that's there's a smaller one out of sight. You can't tell I mean, I assume from the really wire or is it rope. I mean, it's it's not the ropes ally. So is a wire until interesting. It's definitely not it is absolutely. Why are some sort and again from the DNA analyst report in twenty eighteen that plastic thing he was not picked up as well always wondered did it also get attached in evidence, and it's just not been described. But it does not seem like anyone has ever picked up a plastic rectangular thanking which again if it's part of the wires attached to back is the cool wires. I would love to know what kind of wires. They are come from a car. Could they come from like, I don't know. But that's important question that no one's ever addressed. Because the report was designed to make the question come up. Well, it has raised a lot more questions than so, you know, hopefully, we'll get some answers going forward from Justin. And maybe there's possibility for more testing, which is something. I definitely wanna talk. Him about. So one reason why this report is so inclusive. Why can't really draw many about it is because of the way it handles the DNA that was found that was more than like negligible. But was not identified as any particular person's DNA, we know that several items had the a that was not a fide today in honor. Hey, and that's that's kind of it. But the way they're written it allows for a very wide range of possibilities as to what was actually found here. Everything from the DNA was like more than nothing more than likes the tiny bit. But not enough to really be friends, we've out valuable or it could mean like we've got close to full profile here that could statistically be extremely valuable extremely be positive evidence. Linking that DNA to who contributed it. But they just didn't have contributor to match the two. So there's like valid info there. They don't have a link or everything between and that's a very wide range of possibilities. I mean, if we knew that for instance, like why why for the female the NA they found on the wire? Why would they determine that there? But not for say the bottle cap are the mouth of the bottle. Why not for the condom wrapper? Did they know like was there in fact, inclusion this was a male contributor? And they just did not include on a report in the bizarre thing to me is the way they kind of classify this evidence. They do this weird thing in the report with two different footnotes used to distinguish between like evidence where they don't conclusion they have to footnotes as wanted to and a third with third about Haymond leaned partial there, but one and two and cannot imagine a reason for why you need to footnotes assay we did not draw conclusions. It's unnecessary. And it seems to Justin for distinction that shouldn't have been drawn the first place. And also the way the second footnote is worded is extremely to me. I've never encountered that as far as I'm aware. It's not a standard sort of language used in any DNA airport in Baltimore. Elsewhere. The first one is sort of common like standard language, they use on tests. But yeah to me this suggests that there is something more going on the testing found more. More than we currently know about a con, what do you think about how the state is? Now talking about these results because I was kinda shocked to read this quote in the Baltimore Sun will state basically says so what it doesn't prove his innocence, which I mean, if somebody's DNA doesn't show up isn't that evidence way it is evidence. It doesn't prove his innocence. But it's evidence. I mean, it's definitely scope it Tory. Given this state theory of how this strangulation took place includes quarters given that they thought it was important to test this evidence, including evidence that was found on her or right by her certainly the absence of anything connecting the crime is sculptural. I mean in the literal technical sense, correct? It doesn't absolutely prove his innocence. But it certainly evidence that a undercut their case and B does reduce the likelihood significantly that he's guilty of this crime. So this could be legally useful. How it could be useful? So there's a few. Things down the road. If non is trying to file in federal court petition rid of habeas, corpus. He might have to use. What's known as a schlep actually innocent skate way without getting into the details that focus upon all evidence, including not only trial evidence evidence gathered after the fact he could also what's known as a petition for rid of actual innocence in Maryland courts. And so by itself, this evidence wouldn't prove that actual innocence standard, but along with other evidence like vity Christie's class everything else. You've learned since defect. Jason changing stories. It could be used part of a package of evidence to show his actual innocence. I so we've got one more big of section to talk about before we wrap up this soda that is more information about lens, crafters and the cure. I folks truck down Thomas prac- who worked for decades lens crafters as a lab manager. And is interesting what he had to say about dawn's. Let's talk about that. Yeah. Back up for a bit. I mean, this this whole documentary series called the case against an onset. The focus is on a non case against him. But like just and says an absurd four this is the first time really where in terms of his case and his legal strategy. He's ever been in position to turn on the offense of and that's what they're there. They were starting to do. So it's not the focus, and it shouldn't be but they did want. They did lease have a little bit of coverage like possible future routes again. It's not part of the casings not say that's part of his case that would come out at trial, theoretically if and when it never happened and the after stuff is important because that's where of course, Don worked and don's alibi. And it was his mother who was the general manager of the stories out that day. So that alone raises the question and one thing the cure. I folks here's one look at was like how much weight we put in that time card like how much do we know about Don being at work was he really their answer to address that they went out and talked to a lot of winds cutters. Employs and a lot of. People who are at the hunt valley store, which is where Don was not his main store and the one hey was at but the story is out on the day of the thirteenth. But this guy they also a lot of folks in corporate, right and Susan you've got a chance to look at some of the report are all the report. So this is like a, you know, it's the complicated. And it's coming into the fact that QR decided to publish in the Wall Street Journal and article findings that did not like rich conclusive results because there's tons of things in any investigation. You find their backup be interesting, but we ran down lead. Here we have figuring out like the helicopter guy or the sys-. The woman who worked at the porn store. But they also included the section on don's time card conclusion that it was valid or could not have been forged or fabricated. I do not believe that their research actually supports that conclusion. One thing they did look at and there's a lot of issues that with time cards, and why they've been suspected not positive and genuine over the years. And one of them's explored by Bob Ruffin, his podcast, truth and Justice and has to do with an issue involving. Associate ID's. So basically on don's time cards have got a bunch of time cards from the store. He usually worked out the one over mills. And then we have one time card from hunt valley where he worked two different days that week the thirteenth Wednesday the day that, hey, we'll missing and that Saturday and the socio number listed on those two cards is different. One theory was that the time cards could not be accurate because the socio numbers were not the same each imply only has one so she hit number. I think that the cure. I folks actually did a very thorough job and conclusively showing. That's not likely the case. And fact, there's nothing on about the associate numbers here, every employer only have one associate number. But the number shown on those cards is not the associate number that is the concern the one that you can only have one of so, okay. This is different kind of number numbering. Yeah. It's just the store number. So this is not the ultimate like stores identification system, which really could only have one. So. Yeah, I don't think that is actually significant of anything. That's. Unusual at the cards, and I think yours research, very thoroughly show, the well the other issues with time cards were not addressed by investigation. The big one for me has to do with the fact that on dawn's hunt valley time card on that Saturday that he worked the system doesn't add up basically, the number of hours, Don -posedly clocked in four is added up wrong and total hours worked the number of actual our shouldn't three point eight, and the total is shown as four which doesn't make any sense. And how the system worked at this not didn't happen any other time in their time car behalf or any other employees one thing software's good at is adding numbers. So that's a very clear indication that someone manually entered that number, and there's no reason why someone should have mainly entered it. And in fact, some of the employee's that the cure. I talked to actually pointed that out they were shown this. And they said well to me that like that was mainly entered managers could mainly enter on that line. Yeah. And no one let's cut corporate was ever asked about this discrepancy in the time card. So to me if actively it's never been investigated. We have people than low level employees on the record saying. Yeah, that looks like it was mainly entered. And then we have no one from corporate who was able or asked to address it. And there's another issue of the time card as well has to do with back on Saturday sixteenth. Don worked at both stores. He worked in the morning for a few hours at the hunt valley location, and then after noon he worked at the location. Now, they're only twenty three minutes between the checkout at hunt valley and the check in at Owens mills. And I think at least three of the employees that we talked to like pointed out as being like extremely weird. They're like it's impossible basically like maybe like fear radically because like the fastest you could possibly drive to two occasions. It's twenty three minutes but getting from the car to the store at each place. It's gonna take a good bike minimum five minutes on each end. Probably maybe lasted like you're literally sprinting, but one employ said like Donald over the type of a hurry. Yeah. But you know, what I mean? I so if we're talking about discrepancy of maybe ten minutes, maybe if he was speeding a bit. I haven't done the row they were all very like the employer. Like how simple we need. We need a field trip. I gotta do this now. I mean, that's drive. The drive might be doable. It's cutting it close, but the drive theoretically could be done back then again can't test announced of change. But the big problems of the Saturday. So especially at the mills end your to park behind like all the customers there on a Saturday afternoon shopping. So you can't get a spot most of the door. Presumably interview, do you still have a walked into the store at self? And that's the part they were like every employee that I spoke to who that was like what like that doesn't make any sense. And then there's the final bit that we did here on the show. And that's it like there's no reason for dawn to work that day because we know that curbing the manager he described very honest upright like he was a very straight for guy would not have been lying about his own hours. He recorded him working all the hours. They're so there was no one that needed to be filled in by dawn for that Wednesday. Yeah. January thirteenth and. S H from hunt valley also comes into this. And this is a guy who basically kinda came forward after the first episode aired and the investigators checked out and checked out his story made sure he worked there. He was. He was who he said he was I sleep for that whole like Monday Tuesday. Let me find it like dude like it was down to the wire. I've he was weirdly hard to find like I knew he was I knew you were helping find him. I forgot how I finally finally got him. There was like nine AM Tuesday or something like I finally got him and I'm like, Amy call so. Yeah. Anyway, they found him in last minute. They are looking at the show back conversation that myself and another coworker had. Break what he told us originally that she was missing. Day like his head had scratch marks around Cup office. Said that it was from work on car more comfy. Noting that like, this is a bridge and condensed version of entire education. There were a lot of employees spoken to and some of those employees had also had very possibly important stories about time cards, and how they may have adjusted on how who made it adjusting them. But for various reasons, one of the being a lot of stories are inherently not the kind of crop ration-. They did not include whereas S H did have some crop ration-. He was able to that made him seem like an interesting person including documentary. Yeah. There are some other folks out there who continue to keep in touch with. Because what they're saying sounds like it could be really important, but it's hard to kind of fight at this point. And also there is there is the there is the chance that, you know, maybe there's some this remembering and memory creation. Yeah. So there's that too. But believe me folks, even when I saw Amy last week at the sorry in Baltimore in even she said, she's. And the folks from cure ID investigators there too and everybody's like we're not done. We're still worse on vesting. So we're going to continue to see where this goes. Now. Let's talk a little bit about this plea deal. And then you know, where we are today right now, kind of painful now to look at it knowing that we recently lost in the court of appeals decision because non was offered a plea deal. He was offered a plea deal. And I thought about this a couple of months, but they've been going back and forth for a while offered a plea deal that if you pled guilty and of former years that would be it, you know, and that the state and both sides withdraw their appeal from the court of appeals and kind of ended there. Now when a Don talk to me about it. He said to me he's like it's not a matter of the four years. He's like, I don't care. He's all sort of former years he said, I just cannot stand up and take responsibility for something. I didn't do. He's like I can't say I'm guilty. Reversed. What they're offering is bad. You know, still unreasonable? They stand in court. Listen, I did it on the dead. A lot of gaining a larger. Burn. When I was a kid. Away from family. We've have to go to school get married and kids just have my freedom. They make it on run. Now, it's a lot different because I don't really have. They can take away from me. So for him. It was really the and they explore this documentary and talks about how even when he brought up his mother he could tell that. She's like, no, wait because she's a fighter. And also, even Don was like, you know, this is a can't he's like I can't stand up in a quarter blonde say that it's not it's not true. And I just can't do that. And by the way, I also want to this is I'm specifically relating this. Because on specifically tell everybody wants this became public. He's people are going to ask whether or not. Sorry. He's a people are going to ask whether or not I regret not take the plea given that we just lost. He said tell them I don't he said, I don't because in that moment that was the right thing to do. And he's right. So you know, it just means that. A different outcome is is meant to happen. So. But it's not easy. It's not easy because took twenty years to get the state to the table to make a plea. Anyway. All right. Sorry. No. It's it's it's it's a har-. That's it. These are the hardest conversation have clients give me guilty or innocent, especially the innocent ones. Because I mean end of the day, it doesn't it's like he says on the show like, yeah. You wanna fight it? But like what point is fighting it not more important than actually having a chance at a life. I've told all the guys we were all the people the show that we worked with like, I would never for moment. Judge them if they took a guilty plea and got him home. Because to me getting them home is the goal proving their innocence is important and ultimate occasion. But like, you know, what forget that like into the day. What matters most is bringing them home. Yeah. I agree. Well, we do have I hope everybody tunes in for this week's addendum. We're gonna have Justin Brown on. And we're going to talk more about the this result that came out of court of appeals. And what what the plan is. What is what? Oh, he's doing going forward. And he has a whole plan of action. So believe me, it's not the end of the road for a non say, there are any of us on this case and continue to continue to litigate and fight it and do what we can. All right. Well, thanks so much, and we'll be back within addendum. Then I think we're taking a bit of a break. Maybe before we start a new series, and I'm excited to get back into it. And then you've got the rest of this year with undisclosed coming back week after week with a lot of different cases. All right, guys. Thanks for tuning in.

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Forestry companies buying vast amounts of New Zealand's land

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22:41 min | 1 year ago

Forestry companies buying vast amounts of New Zealand's land

"Cuter this is the detail. I'm Sharon Brit Kelly today who owns New Zealand a new investigation reveals that three point three percent of all the land and foreign hands doesn't sound like a lot but here's a more startling number six overs by foreign overseas into individuals and then about six point seven percent of the land is owned by Mari H local councils and that's the upside about food of the entire country is in public ownership compete with say the U K four years ago then our anything here they they have gone from earning nothing and twenty fame as far as we can as a company could just acquired data amount of land the seemingly without question and I mean you know the insist investigative journalist Kate Newton data crunched more than two million property titles for several months to find out this about fifty expressing to the land that we could identify was privately owned within that fifty six percent there was three point three percent roughly that was on are among out biggest landowners and there are more stock numbers on how the land speed amongst New Zealanders four and a half thousand people and then we were able to identify at least twenty eight percent of land that was in some form of public ownership so we're cain government agencies which will in the darkest born of the privately on land so that fifty six percent of New Zealand that's privately orange zero point one percent of the population earn half of that current company based in Australia Thang have actually missed so the third on the list there the third because private landowner in New Zealand but book I guess the thing is if you've got the money and you want the land and you want for forestry purposes in particular that approval to buy it eight we're only eight percenters public land but it is the country's food largest landowner that really stands out one of the companies that we get entries sedan not because they have done anything wrong and I should say from the outset these nor wrongdoing by by any of these people they just happened on a lot of land through last month to buy another piece of land so doubt being occurring land at quite a rapid right and I did find that really astonishing debt a shoot them and also the company that that was selling and so I think it was an eighty thousand dollars cost Sunday night made a twenty thousand dollar donation possibly the other way around but it was essentially a hundred thousand dollars sort of costs that was given to the took account for the fact that they hadn't done it properly but the sales went through and subsequent sales that made since then have been everything by the book they were a few purchases that they made early on that they kind of didn't quite cross the T.'s dot the i's with and and it was a fine that was wants to increase their landholdings pharmacist cannot compete against the bidding of the forestry we're getting probably Bonilla towel to know owning Sienese seven and a half thousand heat is the hidden an overseas investment office approval Justice Watch these sales seemed to be happening the huge money in some cases that's involved that can essentially out beds any local bed from another farmer who said but one of the companies we were really interested in new SF management and it's essentially a funds management company or a series of funds management companies signed by it got can go through pretty quickly yes so the the spatial forestry taste I think city today's is the window that guy four and terms of approval from start to finish in have any alarms been raised about the yes so Pharma's as part of this concern I've conversions of family into forestry have raised some concerns does overall ownership it's actually very low this is looking at homeownership Peggy's and it's difficult to tell from the database about the special forestry taste why they they are concerned about the ease with yeah I think because we think of ourselves as a nation of Hornets and maybe that kind of mentally offer it was significantly lower than all of the forestry offers the forestry offer the highest bid of the population so about four and a half thousand people are in half of the privately land so that fifty six percent of New Zealand inch of very wealthy museum lenders who are in the majority of the privately owned land yeah well you could also say wealthy particularly pleased with with how that went down he he said you know he thinks the economy used to money winning in this case and just looking at New Zealand privately owned zero point one percent of the population are in half of that and the rest of us on the other half so that means that there's a really tiny prosciutto has come up on wide where a lot of these sales have been taking place and he had I think four offers only one he was genuine all of New Zealand is orange by these people who are in little house is plots of land while zero point five percent five percent of all the land saw adamant that he didn't want his land to go into forestry that he actually accepted the underbid. Wow Yeah and I'm these forestry but as we're apparently means that we think that collectively we learn must of the country that actually that landowner shoppers is concentrated among a very few and there was another joined by the top one hundred so we're talking about a teen of that land being earned by all the people who are just aren't homes that's confronting fifty percent higher than the farming boat I'm Mina standing that that was an overseas and Bista who's looking to pick just that land the farmer was vigor in the because we we cut the daughter of ways to sort of wear cap who earned what the scene so on I worked out that zero point one percent that's a quarter Acre and collectively if you end all of those who hit us together how much land they own and it's not very much zero point five percent pin six point seven percents if you start to think about it and think about the fact that fifty six percent of land in New Zealand is in some The saints that that that land rich because I think a lot of the people particularly high country station owners for example have had this land in their family for a long time what the intent of individual landowners fulfill their land so we used a very very rough media and I should say this this will capture land that doesn't necessarily have surprised at how small the landownership is you know I think it's easy to read stories about some of the recent really large treaty settlements and think that significant proportion of land and not very much as being returned yeah you spoke to Max resch broke at Victoria University about what was it six point seven percent Max as an inequality researcher and journalists and he's done a lot of work looking at say wealth interns taught half to twice as much as what can afford to pay And even if you had a recent advocate time how you by this time you could be over five hundred thousand dollars. I'm got money to plant evidence that data's actually happening Yes oh there was actually one family that I sparked who hey sold it why did you think was important. Well I think that form of private ownership that puts it outside that treaty Percy's and we've seen that with the debate around motto an e since the the treaty Percy's con touch that huge farming community still you've got New Zealanders archetypal love of the outdoors and and our attachment to being able to go to all of these wild places and had and some of these these claims of extend way way back into history so once you start to think about that starts to make more sense that molly still under spirit turns around that form of landownership and then you will so get lots and lots and lots of stories issues in Zeeland that Bicester outland you've got a New Zealand they're real attachments to lend the is the whole question of land ownership or the era of conservation estate the public can't get access to and this was the only opportunity to provide for that excess this is the largest lakefront property in New Zealand we can't afford touching not be particularly cash-rich so that the land as an seats and Mardi ownership people might be a huge chunks of land being returned to Mari and the chose and black and white a numbers that really does not the case what figure are we talking take for this to be shut off to the public but Newton's data crunching shows its North American TV stars who are involved in the big landgrab is Foreign Texas and so on the impact of foreign ownership became a focus last year when the American TV personality also know that this was the beast proxy Wicca come with which was to look at anybody who orange I think in the we went for zero point four hit is because I'm a fifth of all the wealth whereas conversely the poorest human adults nine million or something like that I just you know three minder of the enormous wealth inequality New Zealand you look more broadly the wealthiest one of adult so that stuff's thousand people he met lower bought Hunt Valley Station and limited public Xi's to Howie a conservation park what we've effectively got as we have a large land before the wealth so the enormous inequality of wealth it Jinro and and it seems like is just a is reinforced and and it's already privately owned and these debate the sort of starting to stir around whether or not that is actually inappropriate way of dealing with some of these these treaty claims with a lot of the new plantings that were going on some of the concerns from rural communities the Mayor of Wildlife Craig Little Caesar Beg forest operators are moving in and the result will be devastating on a year ago the government introduced something that's called the Special Forrest Street East which is essentially a streamlined process that anyone who's overseas wanting to buy land I'm very big on forestry as a way of developing regions and in these all sorts of environmental reasons for wanting to plant lots and lots and lots of extra trees these all sorts phagocytes about whether or not forestry companies so when we got what we thought was their final top one hundred landowners forestry is really dominant six overs talked Hanley mm further down the list and so we thought well you know what is it about this that could be interesting to see something with exploring here we were hearing a lot about what was happening the some of these purchases were approved but you know they were cited as a potential benefit to New Zealand or failing this land to foreign investors and was does she holdings and income levels and he was saying that the him this data just really under schools some of the other things that he's found also ah land guardianship as it relates to tracy of white hanging Mati on what happened before settlers arrived all those kind of course Ed look at the end of the season basement office decisions that be made recently government policy light the one billion trees program kind up as not necessarily that the only reason forestry companies is it do you think that's a bad phone sorry you could make arguments either way about seventy percent of because we want to be stimulating the foreign direct investment into forest renowned for future government wants to come along and change that or in a few years avin credits and then then of course there wouldn't be offspring the people law employed to do fences blackberry buying bigger draw shares on the current government ordered to change we can so if you're a foreign forestry company and you want to buy some Linden Museum and if you see that you want plant the trees Indochina's in New Zealand and we're talking private land on only a foreign orange forestry companies and the Stevens entity on it lists that's a New Zealand or in so the the streamline taste essentially removes the need for an invasive approve any additional benefits to New Zealand from the purchase of end which is not forestry companies so you're talking about Steven teen the teen lagest man nine is a New Zealand a forestry and his loss of large farms that kind of creates a benefits to New Zealand that goes beyond what you've been New Zealand's getting from now we take in aches to the unnecessary red tape family one of the things that's required when you violent special end New Zealanders is destroy that your are in debt land somehow Dell's onto the flats the slash as it's called created Dan's exacerbating the flooding that followed prosecutions I think are still taking place at the moment and wife false tracking a decision about leaving a foreign company by some Lane Sr not so much the one billion trees pergram but uh-huh without external help you could argue that if you accept that there are good reasons for planting lots of extra trays that that doughnut you pretty much get the go heat that's that's what we've heard essentially you still have to pass the good characters but the saints thing if you're gonNA plant trees wines'll natives of the best way to go about sequester in that cabin which we we'll get into later on this week with some of our other reporting that's come out of this 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I hear plantations the other season vistaprint office took nine years to realize that the Malaysian owner of Tiger Bay forest we saw what happened and taller goodbye last year in June last year unprecedented heavy rain in the Toga catchment washed tons of forestry debris from the foreign investors Damon Salmond who's environmentalist historian shines land up and gets worn and she told me that she really feels that information together blend information New Zealand has a whole series of databases on the website the anyone can go and look at it and basically a form of lace heartland with they aren't on the land that the trees actually growing but they are in the trees themselves so there's already huge foreign on ships forestry new-zealand Anyway the government and various policy documents has seen that in order to plant trees these nations of environmental and human rights abuses abroad now these revelations have renewed calls for changes to the way that the good character test is applied on company has has been guilty and will be sentenced at this month the others are still sort of gone through the court process but all that slash cinnamon that came down into Tala goodbye all flow into town so you'd sit there with your trees and enjoy alive but but your conscience my conscience like hundred community I saw the categories waited you actually start I mean did you say right we're going to start at the top at Cape Brianna and go down it was it was much more another Taller Gubbay forestry company owned by Malaysian billionaire has been granted twenty four consultants to buy sensitive land despite one of his other companies facing it's quite happy to a perfect so what you found out that six out of the top teen landholders overseas either all of the parcels of land that had the same property titles society Sharon Brick Kelly owns one parcel of land here and the forestry land already and he needs a convert forestry event and that that's driven by the government's emphasis some forest rates. Shane joins me hosts who are involved in some kind of journalism around the world use this particular coding language sorry we basically took two point three million property Barnaby Smith is good thing there will sorry I give hints that various people of night labor unions in particular about why foreign basement is not necessarily a great thing when you not dear to see what's happening to the land this lease of a sense of duty or responsibility I guess in terms of what happens to those lots of it is just completely public we basically focused on titles so who owned the land and we're the ones on the title attached or land looked at that's possible now this is only the beginning of a series of south of stories about land ownership and you've been doing a lot of driving around titles and we anchor guided them saw essentially used this This program this kind of program to group together excape all of the data aggregated Khanna shake it around and see well fools out I use a particular coding program as called are a lot of other with an initial list and it's really important that that's an initial us because we did our heap of cross checking and making sure that we weren't getting point need to be more foreign and basement to saint sleigh it's already dominated by foreign investment anyway that we are not going to be able to achieve the sort of extra planting we won't you Sharon Burke County confused with another Shamburg Kelly who might live somewhere else in the country and aggregating all of your landholdings too so it was a lot of research that we were Taes that are around you the potential she sees to essentially pull the plug on walk away if they wanted to so how did Newton actually Paul into farmers what are they telling you the is a real sense of concern there's been some research that was done by a femme consultants and we focused on the the top one hundred because we had to start somewhere top one hundred lane lane on as well actually top two hundred because we knew that somewhat dropout but those together then you might find somebody who earns a whole lot of land via one company and you think I wonder if they have other companies that they have one hundred percent shareholding in at that also I land more local jobs so far astray still krantz jobs you have people who plant the trees you have people have a seeing the trees teaming trees in between that time but there just the drake's being the most of the jobs happened at the start of a thirty year period and at the end and it was kind of nothing in between sire while the jobs might be round hit the subscribe button to stay across the detail every day and if you're on a poll please leave a rating as it helps other listeners find us this episode was in maybe haven't made it onto the top two hundred but we want to include them so lots and lots of such as the companies office that sort of thing to make sure that it was as comprehensive lower but still comparable and same with the the sort of direct spending within the local community it was all concentrated at either end of the have a cycle and the Augustine landowners in New Zealand limit talking private landowners only a foreign armed forestry companies so foreign owned forestry companies Oakland and another parcel of land tug o war and now the parcel of land in Wellington and by aggregating bonds owners names we kind of came up look holdings for that company and realize that actually is somebody on the less tool so Wednesday company's sudden you know you kind of rename you re aggregate you and forestry obviously there are lose that people have to oblige by but people of Iraqi that perhaps these Lisa g of a fewer foreign be sta to the owner than any form of shape will be coming unless you had like an incredibly high performing shaping Bay Fan but they found this firming creators and that's the detail for today I'm Sharon Break Kelly the detail is brought to you by newsroom dot co dot inside made possible by the Ariz. inside on innovation communities are very worried about what happens between whether these these communities and setlements dying Kate News engineered by staple and produced by Mark Jennings cockatiel He company Quebec Inc that based masterton but they looked white oil and they found that forestry with them for a traditional forestries head a much much greater tune talk that talk to look thought or can will this person up here on a hell of a lot of land but also this this company here who owns that company.

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pisode #27  Yoni Steam : comment et pourquoi lutiliser avec France Richard

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41:48 min | 4 months ago

pisode #27 Yoni Steam : comment et pourquoi lutiliser avec France Richard

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 The Road To Vino with Justin Dry, CEO of Vinomofo

Building A Unicorn

52:32 min | 2 years ago

The Road To Vino with Justin Dry, CEO of Vinomofo

"Whoa. Flynn. Yes. In media. This is building a unique on the show about what it takes to build a big global business. I'm Christopher Lawson. These days a lodge amount of retail has moved online. You can buy almost anything you want at the touch of a button. And then have it delivered to you wherever you are. But there are some industries which have in many countries struggled to convert to the digital revolution. And that has opened up market for new entrepreneurs to dominate one such company is Veena Marfo a wine delivery startup by Andre Iguodala and just dry. Mojo has taken the strategy and wine industry by storm within no BS approach to what was always seen as a pretty snobby industry. Then now upright in Australia New Zealand and Singapore with plans for further global expansion. Now the road to success is usually never easy, but Vena Mofaz CEO, Justin dry, this love of entrepreneurship was really in his blood. My father was an entrepreneur had kind of ups and downs. As most entrepreneurs have some pretty major challenging downs. So I saw the highs and lows of my chosen path. What did he do as an entrepreneur, so lots of different things? So he originally started insurance he owns gyms. He owned. Owned some other outlets property he did for some did finance. He did lots of different things over the time. But one of those moves quite early was into the kind of health and Jim space that didn't work. It's important to mention here that back in the late eighties early nineties is in a recession at the time. The official interest rate set by the Reserve Bank of the strata was as high as seventeen and a half percent, meaning the right paperwork actually, paying at the Bank was often well above that. And this forced many people into bankruptcy. My family, included and Justin's family. Well, they struggled to I think those kind of numbers imagine interest rates at twenty three. I think he probably I've lived himself went into an industry that then go very tough when the market crashed and instructor high and no one had any money. So I think I saw the challenges around that will also house we lost everything went from having NAS cows days in house to being asked to leave and losing everything and going into rentals, and she cars and all the things that happened when you have no money. And so I think saying that was interesting, but also saying the optimism around an entrepreneur, and may sometimes blindly and other times founded, but that was so I kind of saw an interesting rod, and the thing that we always talked about was business, and ideas. So that kind of got me interested. I started my business when I was ten what was that? It was very simple like cow Washington. Low mowing kind of business I did arounds door knocked on people's doors. Probably annoyed them and awesome to clean the cause for four or five bucks. Was it successful? He actually was. I do. Well, when my business, I actually employed my first employee when ten and a half and. He was my cousin been. And he'll be forever known as even because it was more interested in going to the shots with our money and aiding lollies and actually doing the work. So he was also the first one I had to. But we we're still close I got married last year, and he came to the wedding. So congratulations. Thank you. But there's no hard feelings. I don't even. Megabits? But like any true Justin wasn't going to stop at one successful lawn mowing business. So when he was fourteen he made the logical next step moving into something. A little more seasonal. Selling Christmas trees buying directly from a Christmas. Tree farm and selling them before Christmas before that was a thing before other people are doing it. Right. Say people would bypass going to the Christmas tree cells and just come to you. Yes. I would I would set up awesome. It's just around the corner from my house where I grew up. There's a petrol station. Those on the corner of five main roads coming together say like hates the traffic and asked if I could set up on the front lawn of the service station with hand-drawn signs and Christmas trees, laid out three or four weeks before Christmas. So when people driving past the Christmas tree, and you know, if they could feed it and did again remarkably will early and I sold out on the first time. I did I sold out within about three hours. It was like a like I was doing it for three days Sal over the weekend. And I think the first time I convinced my dad to drive me up to Christmas reform front the money to buy fifty in Christmas. Trees and drive me down put me there, and I did hand-drawn songs and Christmas trees. Whatever it was. And I sold out and let three hours. Wow. Oh my God. This is easy. So I went to the back then the phone that you actually have to spin around and cool too. Christmas tree farm, and I was like how many Christmas do you have left forty five? And I was like if you drop them down to me today. I'll take them all and the okay done. Should've saying these Christmas raise dot because I should have thought about this and looked at must before a border. But however like somebody's Christmas trees because how the forty five last Christmas traits viable at this Christmas, forty everyone had pasta. Skinny ones we'd like to gracious to little bits of green on a really skinny branch and got stuck with them. So I ended up selling half them and all my profit from that first venture into the Christmas. Tree market was Christmas. Trees, I I made no money, but I couldn't bring myself to drop the Christmas trees off anywhere because cost me money to drop them, right and sauce. I can't I can't bear to lose any money shows. I here I'm getting dead too. High the jock again to drop them back to our place. My prophet and driving these Christmas trees, and he's like what are we going to do with him? And I said, I don't wanna dump them because of course, money and he's like, okay. Well, we'll take one I was cool that we twenty bucks and like Justin driven to the Christmas from a truck. I fronted oleo cash. Get a Christmas. Tree us. I and so again, okay Christmas. I had like twelve twelve I think left authored I left, and they ended up staying on the side of our house for two years turning Brown, dying, slowly and then reduce down to nothing. Parents love that yet they loved it for me whenever I come home from school you enter into the front gate. Remember, this this Saint so well, go front gate of this main street to my rot and is third in Christmas tree early dying for two years. It really good reminder to look at the stock before you buy it. Justin grew up in Adelaide in South Australia about an hour south from the Barossa valley IQ ably the wine capital of strata and his Justin discovered. He's ancestors had planted some of the first fines in the region, some of which are one hundred forty years old. So my answer is funded some of those and so it's in the DNA, I didn't know so much when I was younger about that. But I wanted to wise Bena thing in now family, my dad, and drank one, very, social and their friends and family drank it, so it was always around. But it was only when I was about fifteen sixteen that two of my uncles particular Patea viticulture says the wind science of growing grapes and go to these family functions and lineup like three or four glasses of wine. Not timing. What the brand variety region? Whatever wasn't too blonde Tyson. I can't tell them what they were. And I don't even drink this way. Too early for me to be doing. It's how old are you like fifteen fifteen not, you know, I think they were asking me to spit it out title sips. They would try and get me to pick them like complete blind tasting and drink. How the hell much do this? God you throw it. And it'll be like we'll tell you what this variety smells tastes, like feels like in the mouth what this region is known for all those things around. You know, what that vintage was like, and what that would mean to the one. So they'll kind of got him through. And I love this game. I was playing as I was okay at it to Justin develop this deep love of wine. He learned about the history of the industry and the role his ancestors played in the space, and he became more and more involved. So as finished school his friends with spending ole cash on beer and other potty drinks and Justin. Well, he was buying expensive bottles of wine, and then writing tasting notes to compare his own results to some of the critics if James Halliday, which is a famous wine creek and Estrada had written like black currants, and you know. Osborne. Notes in this one. I'll do the blind tasting on my notes, and then I'll look it up. And and if we had the same kiss. Feel good. And and I did that cost super wind noti from eighteenth birthday instead of having like a cake party and a whole bunch of people over us, my parents put all that money into one bundle one. And I bought my first like super expensive one. How much did that cost? It was maybe three hundred bucks two or three hundred dollars back. Then that's a lot through like an eighteen year old that was the Atari budget. I think back then the whole party and everything around it and decide to spend it on NAS puddle of one because I wanted to try to really expensive and mum cook dinner. We sat around family dining table had a really nice meal over the bottle of wine slowly to candidate. Like, Minneapolis kept. Checking it like going back every thirty minutes to smell it to eventually. It was ready, and and the Evelyn of that wine in the glass and the experience I had just made me completely in love with it again. By this time Justin was entering university. And he decided to study marketing, but he was really wanting to work in the wine industry. So he was focused on how you market wine, and then he studied chemistry. So he could understand the science behind actually making the wine. Then once he finished he decided to go all in Bothell one was it, and I studied at Fanshawe gray when and worked in the one in Stradey holding tastings for people representing brands worked at one shops Feltham player in love with did vintages wineries where you go and make the one the gripes of both. So yes, Ozzy all in. And then when I was about twenty two. I'm not sure anymore. I'm not sure if this is a passionate profession, and so I decided that I'd give someone kills ago. So when studied financial markets became stockbroker, that's different from winemaking. Yeah. It is. But I'd always been interested in business and finance and economics, as as my strong kind of school mathematics was that kind of thing. So I was always fascinated by business and entrepreneurial endeavors, and and so he kind of made sense to me. So it was either one business, and and still broke it was very business focused and understood that market. So I was like yet. Cool. That sounds good studied it when worked as a broker for period, and that was that was late nineties, and that was like the tech. Boom, right. Everything I've touched tend to go. My buddy genius so much nearly two thousand two. Which was the tech crash. And so I kind of rode that wave and got out just as it was going down. So I might lose money. After the dot com. Crash. Justin decided that spending all of his time staring at computer screens, watching stock prices move up and down. Just wasn't that interesting. He had some friends that got into property, and so he decided to use the money he'd made to do his own development on the South Australian coast, and he makes money out of it. So he took that money then doubled down and made some more money and buys light twenties. He was doing pretty well. But then he made what he calls. The worst mistake of his life. I actually went guarantor for someone cared about deeply stupidly probably use the western psych of mud, and I went against my got and a win against my head. And I went with Maha to kind of protect someone that was in trouble. And I was going to set it up in a way where it was gonna be fun. Even if it didn't work, and and I was going to put it under a company that I had that had some assets properties through the property company and unfortu-. When the ducks came out that day when went to on my personal name was on most of it. So when the other thing went down, it kind of took me with from someone who had white much money white too young. I went to having very little money very quickly lost everything still the houses, the 'cause all the assets all the fun stuff and went through some really challenging us. Tom had a huge impact on my life. But as I say. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger, and you learn those lessons, and I've I've probably I am a fab better business person entrepreneur because I went through awful stuff. And I think most people have gone through something similar would say the same at the time. It doesn't feel like. Yeah. Yeah. Pod. For like if someone in their late twenties to feel like they've they've made a success of themselves, and then have that sort of taken away from them. Yeah. Absolutely. And you know, very challenging living that wasn't a mazing like started potting too hard not taking care of myself. Not exercising drinking all the things that you do to escape the reality of what was going on these things that when that happens. It's not a quick thing. Takes years for things to go wrong and the repercussions of that fully be known. And and so it's a really challenging awful period. And you just trying to keep your head above water through that emotionally. And so escape them comes a thing. And so I did that and did that for a while. And to I think the last the last moment the moment that I was I this is enough. Justin outlets. Go was was that they sangha bottom house and the house. Bena thing because growing up and you lose your house as a kid, and then you not expecting to do that as an adult. So the house was something to me. So when I made some money, those kind of thing you need to have a house. So I did that and I was going to protect it. And unfortunately, it kind of unrivaled but. That day that I say goodbye house, which is the last thing the cause of all the other houses, all the other properties cash and going, and this is a last thing and it being sold. And I was saying goodbye hassles walking through it. And it's quite an emotional kind of experience, and I got to the final room, and it was my bedroom. Just before I left the house, and I had a scooter those who had left. He was waiting at the front for me to ride on out to the main bedroom. And it was empty knows a little bit kind of upset and saying goodbye, and I when standing in the room those a wardrobe and the wardrobe door was open, and there's a mirror on and it just triggered. And I wasn't a pre look so myself. It reminded me of this exercise that I had learned doing. I think it's Tony Robbins calls. I listen to so many kind of self-help personal development type kind of types CD's rating, lots of books. That's what I always did that. So whether it's Tony Robbins or another peasant similar to that, you know, and take what you will from him some of it's great some of really Joe with those one exercise that I did. And it was looking to Mira, and you magin yourself living the same life, you know, one three five ten and twenty years. And so you standing in front of the mirror, and I'm looking and it's not looking great. You know, I've had to use of you're not looking and one year, and you mentioned so from one you doing the same life, and you start shoulder stock coming forward you start getting smaller feeling awful and start to struggle to look at yourself. You keep looking itself ninety three and it doesn't get any better from the gets and by five and ten fifteen and twenty. You are show. You're really small. You're feeling awful feels gross annual imagine where you are who you are. How you feel the life around you the people around you when you continue live that way. And then you go that's enough then you reverse and come back to the current day. And then you imagine one three five ten fifteen twenty years ahead. If you change you laugh and do the things that you should do and look after yourself and start again and get positive strand could people and those types of things, and so I did that one. Yes. And then three us like going to kill it. And then five ten years shoulders back your chest is up and your certain positive in. So I'm building myself up. And and then there's answer by twenty might. Yes, I'm gonna do it again, and he's super positive super pump. That's I'm leaving this walking outgoing. Yes, let's take on the world. And another another exercise did at the same time was was pretend you wearing a superman you walk differently Thailand. It sounds silly. When you're saying on radio pocus. But if you imagine. You're walking with a cake behind you. You you language changes. The chess is up shoulders back and you start feeling very powerful. So it was just those two things doing that exercise and pretending wearing a superman. I am storming out of this house with no assets onto a scooter this with solar little in shorts detail with Noah's no money going. Yes. Super positive jump on the scooter, and I'm like take off driving to the office with this business that I had which was making no money and scooting along with traffic lights and stop and this other couples up beside me, and it's going to family inside it and like husband wife and a child and pull up pull up stops rining insurance mutation thongs on my scooter having say goodbye to everything going towards nothing with nothing. And it's surrounding high heat serious. And then this car that's pulled up the kid in the back of the car looks at me and points at your parents points and me and says to the parents, and I'm like most be my lowest point. From here on it's all good. And so that was kind of turning point right in my life. It's at this point that Justin starts his journey into. What would eventually become Vini my phone and right after this break, we'll find out what it takes to go from losing everything to running FOSS growing stops. This is building a unicorn I'm Christopher Wilson. Before the break. We were speaking with the CEO and co founder of inner my folks, Justin dry now Justin had lost his home all these money and not long after that his girlfriend broke up with him. But that entrepeneurship spirit runs deep in his blood. So around two thousand six he decides to make return to the wind business by starting an online website cold quaff, I decided that I needed to get away from strategy and just all this stuff. And so I went traveling through South America backpacking amid a couple of American travelers, and that we single Facebook really taking off in the states very early years Facebook or two years yet. Yeah. Goes very very very early. It wasn't wasn't valuables. Invite only when a I met them, but that will using it to keep in touch with each other, though, college students from the states and the way that they were kind of, you know, leaving each other and came back together with three the single Facebook can kind of keeping in touch and because I was traveling with them. I invite. To be part of it. And so I joined and that was how my kind of introduction ago. This is kind of cool. This is interesting. And I think these might be looking for my next paternity? What was I going to do business was I gonna stop what industry was going to go in, you know, I really missed one. I wanted to do something on the internet, and I was playing around the single Facebook. And I was like oh on my long bus rides through South America. Wells dreamy of what I could do. I wanna do one. Again, a want to do something on the internet. And this kind of Facebook community building thing that is Facebook is really interesting. So what about if I kind of combine the mole, and I create the Facebook for one and that was until my brother-in-law about it on dry over Christmas that year what building and he was building. Something actually surprisingly in the one space at the same time around customer reviews. And so we hadn't talked about it. He wasn't in the one space before eight done some work. And once for about six months, but he had gone decided at similar timing that he wanted to go into that space to I came back with these plans for like, you know, the Facebook of one we told each other at Christmas and over a few bottles one decided that was going to be together. Okay. That was the birth of cough. We'd actually didn't like each other very much back then. And so I think it took the one to convince ourselves that was a good idea. That's a hard decision to make. If you not like, you don't particularly like each other. Yeah. Well, it could easier as we consume one. We got excited, and then probably wondered what the hell would doing the next day when we when we work out. But we thought it was cool time, and that was a Joni of full years before we launched Fena. So that those sister think of this probably concerned. To be honest. She I think she quite liked the idea of getting involved with Andre in the sense, having two months on the business would be a good thing. And you know, very different people bring different skill sets. And she probably saw that as a good thing. But wow, they had one kid in another kid on the way, I think, and so they were taught with money, and obviously with money because of my history we pivoted the business four times before we got to start in the gar- starting in entrepreneurial exactly it's we started in Adelaide in garage of Jodie. My sister and Andres place. It was just a small little kind of thing that had been converted to a office. We worked out of there for a couple of years, actually, which was not because we're around the kids in the family, which you know, had its its pros and cons. But it was it was nasty around family. So Justin and Andrei enlisted, the help of a friend to build them a website and went about trying to grow this online community. The way they did. This was by trying to remove the snobbery that's often associated with wine the philosophy of the businesses. Let no ties and BS around one so super passionate about one but removed by tossing and so you go to small independent kind of liquor stores. And so you'd walking into these still has even intimidate because this Algo rosy cheeks and a washer and bow tie that got he's entire self worth out of making other people feel small because if he's an alleged around one, how'd you deal with that? Well, I just remember thinking, well, if I feel this way imagine how everyone else feels it doesn't have the experience in this spice, and that's ridiculous. So that was kind of the driver behind the brand of this no by ties and BS still super passionate about one, but get rid of the wink actually way that came from. So because of that, and what we stood for in the way, we talked about one. We gathered like a really great younger audience of one of us who discovered us and want to talk about one the way we talked about it wanted to try the ones that we would tasting and wanted to review when right and. Connect with other wine lovers of a similar demographic. And so we built this great audience, and we started to get quite a bit of recognition within the media space of that industry, and we came to digital wind guys and business. We kind of rolled out off of that was in the same space and go bigger and better. Cough dotted around the same time that Gary vantage hawks started wine library TV and began. He's rise to fame Justin and Andre had built a fairly decent audience. Although the side really wasn't making any money. So they ended up going and raising some money from an angel investor. And then they got an office, but they still had to figure out how to turn it all into a business. So Justin would go away at Christmas. And then come back each year with new ideas on how to monetize their audience. We don't like thirty grand that first year between two people when that was before expenses seriously taught he was married to my sister. So I make the Christmas very good. So when I went away for the Christmas came back and go this great idea on. I've always wanted to a guy up says I always wanted to black Humby travel around a strategy surfing tasting one. And that's it. So a couple of us into the Janney on quoth Justin and Andre started pacing together. These ideas for series where we travel around strata and different types of wine. And because they were the digital one guys. They wanted to publish it on YouTube. So they eventually bought a Kombi hide videography, and then travelled around speaking to people in the industry about their wines. Well, we're hearing the hunt valley New, South Wales. It's actually quite appropriate that Jenny begins because the hunt valley is the birthplace of straddling wine. Beautiful as this is I'm getting testy. Let's go find some really good those they called the series ROY to vino and while the cough community like the content. The video is never really gained much traction on YouTube, but the series did give them the connections. I would need to actually start working on a new idea that Justin had on one of these Christmas vacations. The idea that would eventually become veto. But that wasn't always the. Name in fact for longtime. It was going to be cold vino Mo-jo vino, Mojo get you Joe working regional idea. And you went quite a bit down the path of doing that. So I came back after the break, and it was like this idea. I'm a blending of a couple of different kind of ideas into us by s- with our audience and network. It was possible. So I really excited and Andres play kidding me. What are you talking about? We've got full businesses on the go. Do we have time, and we eventually convinced him that it was a good idea. And and so let's do it. He came up with the nine Vena merger and much of working. And so we went ahead and built out the sought and social profiles. And we had what price on thing happening, and we had thousands of people signed up ready to go. We had a countdown clock. This is launch state. And so two days out from launch with seeing and was excited because like we're only forty thousand way from launching this thing that was so excited about it was the right time. We had the rotten wig who had the raw audience. It just felt really good. Wow. Okay. Excellent. Then we get her letter. It's a thick letter. And it seems quite a Fisher that's always a bad sign. Well, we don't get many of these. What is that? We ended up and it was a letter from a solicitor desist to not launch the site. And we'll I on trademark infringement notices lie. And that's what we've also saying. They had the tried to Mojo, which you know, vino tried to Mojo because there's a one brand cooled MO Jo ones, and it was like one producer brand we code relationships. Listen to and say, what should we do? And he said change the name. And he said, but good Voss really in the end because we really wanted to launch. We would today's away. It was the right time. You know, there's a there's a there's a time for ideas. And this was the time. And so we'll go we designed everything the song was almost ready to go live to. And so we needed this the logo to be so similar that we could do it in, you know, in a very quick amount of time. And so, okay, let's let's just like think about how it can change like a letter or something within the name. And then when we win we can tend to back, and so we do what we always deed and do when we have that kind of issue a couples one and we sat trying to get. Fi one and we sat down, and we'll, you know, Motoo vino modo. And after about a bottle of a for the mother is trying to steal Mojer. And we'll we lost con-, that's crass. And all my God. You can't call the company one motherfucker levino Stansell one. My phone is obviously what Nancy. Oh my God. You can't. But how funny is that? You'd be really kind of interesting to launch with that have the background story. Put her up on our saw as to why it's called that go out to media have a bit of a PR thing around it. And then if we win when we win we can change it back. It's just a launch kind of name. Yeah. So so so we decided we'll V Murphy, We change everything launched and it just took off was immediately successful. Yeah. Yes, today, we launched we sold more one in that one day, then we'd sold in the previous like three or four months, and it wasn't that much because we sold them. It was still significant amount of one for us. And then maybe we've set out Datta buys now. That one sale on the second hand will not going to sell very many the third day more. And then the numbers keep growing the customers Kip signing up and getting bigger and bigger and bigger. We'll. Stuff up. Now, we're onto a winner. Just tied the bucket. The newly-formed pheno. My phone was a hit young people in the industry just loved it. Because they were using a different language to the rest of the companies in the space Justin and Andre when now finally making money, and they had a few other partners in the business well from their days quaff, so they split all the equity equally at the start. We weren't versus cata with back. Then there wasn't as much valuable in terms of communities or mentoring or even we'd read books. It wasn't even as many of those viable as to, you know, learning from previous experience people that knew the industry, so we kind of fumble white through gradually through the first year, intervene Murphy, Justin and Andre started to face a really difficult problem, and it was ju- to this apply chain it turns out that while some of the younger audience where loving day, no BS brand. Some of the big retailers was starting to get concerned about their own businesses. And so they start. Pid to pressure onto this applies. We had some pressure from big competitors to try indus-, basically because this young disruptive company that was dying to make some noise in they found us a little bit annoying and potentially threatening to their businesses. They'll they'll starting to put some pressure on supplies not to do with us. And you know, Louis supplies with good night's vows. Like the produces the one make is the real people in straight. You know, that, you know, a lot of them come from background sees a real people. There's no wink with these guys like these these are really honest, beautiful people. And so when big retailers that a, you know, selling maybe sometimes seventy eighty nine percent of the ones that are produced by these amazing people that significant so when they start getting pressure to not deal with us. They have to make a really big coal do they risk eighty percent of their business to help out friends or people doing interesting things would I go to save the path and completely understandably quite a few would choose Sipho power. So that. Precious started to make it really hard for us to get one the pressure fullest, Justin and Andre considerable lira persons. They didn't wanna force us applies to fight with the big retailers. But they did want to scou- quickly to get to the size where they had enough purchasing power to get all the wine they needed. So they started shopping the business around to the angel network for investment and also to other companies and they ended up selling seventy percent of their business to the catch group. A Melbourne based company that owns a collection of daily deal websites some of which is similar to group on and then we were in the kind of bigger leagues, and we we had deeper pocket. So we could be get checks, and we could Barma won all those things. So it might sense to us, and that's the deal across the lawn. When the catch group purchased very the site already had around thirty thousand active uses and the team had to move across to Melbourne to be integrated into the catch office. What was it like working with someone else? It was a change. So that good people that was still friendly, very fr-. With them. But it was really interesting experience because they were running companies within this space. So there's some good learnings to be had. What was different was? It was no longer. Al by completely even though they were really good. They're like the reason we've invested in you is because we can't do it. You do in this space, and we trust you back to you go and run the business. So there wasn't there's no one standing over your shoulder. And so we still had complete Tony. But but it still felt different just felt a little bit different. I don't know what it was in the end. But it wasn't because we'll minority shareholders. Now, it just felt different. So great experience. Great learnings. We get full Tony. But the reality is it just felt different working for catch had completely changed the culture at VR my phone and after a year at the company catch started to think about an exit that meant they were examining the entire catch business and then restructuring to avoid duplication and somewhere in the process. Justin. And Andre will wondering what was going to happen to Vena my phone? We chatted to one of the founders and say what's going on? You know, we felt vulnerable. What for us? So they're going to get rid of half out team and bring us into the maintain. What does that look like? And I've said on your fun. We don't do what you do. And and we were tiny compared to their home business as as revenue in tame, and whatever and they. No, no, you don't get into why you knows very light Manatt Mangabey, baby. Little bit dismissive in this small one on important worry about. And so we were sitting there going, oh, this is how to feel. And the path that we'd been sold had chosen. And so then we decided we started having secret meetings in the first aid room. Tell them what we could do. And how he felt and we decided that we would love to back if it was possible. So we started this conversations we found is Gabby his good guys too. And he was very fair. And we just went looked Gabby on high that were not annoying. We're not. We're not getting away of anything. What would really like to do what we're feeling at the moment is if we'd love to buy the company back and a little bit. And there's like. You know, I can't understand that. Because that's that business two brothers in garage. And yeah, could completely on stand thing could relate to relax couple young preneurs back, then, you know, had done it themselves Gerardo to this big business. They could relate. And he's like, oh, yeah. That's and then you could see the try to come in. You know, this guy. He's like, no, no, I understand that move with hike to see go. That might be expensive. We've got no money. So then the games began, you know, the bracketing of like, oh, it's going to be really expensive, and we've got no money and somewhere in the middle. And we ended up calling a might avows who had a bunch of investors from South Australia, which was originally started Honda worth individuals and just who with disappointed when we got sold into Victoria, right? And would have invested in us if we needed the money apparently. So then we called him. And he said look give me give me an hour. And and he can't go back within that time. Frame said. Yep. Got the money. And with that the deal was done and coming up off to the Reich. Vena mo- finds its own fate once again. This is building a unicorn, I'm Christopher Lawson. On June, thirty twenty thirteen Vena Mojo officially became its own company again and Justin in on dry. This was really the beginning of a new era the chance to start again and gained some autonomy back. It was so exciting. It was so excited. So funny because when we did the first part of that transfer we transfer over we'd done the deal still working within their offices waiting to find our own offices back. So my closer open, and they'll lovely like still really match with a lot of their team. But it was just a we'd connect kind of moment like over period. And then finally found this place in Richmond, which is superior in the suburbs of Melbourne close to where I lived. And we got this cool warehouse style kind of smaller Elvis and brought Atherton paper, which we had into that office space and the vibe and the feeling was incredible. And you know, the the deal crossover like yet. Thirty July first so any transactions up to midnight June. Thirty was was there's and anything after midnight was out. And so I remember getting this office in we're all seeing on computers in different locations. Lot of -freshing to say the orders come through because we had no money because we gave it all back. And so we'll starting with Bank balance zero. And so we needed transactions happening. What if it doesn't happen? We've got an office. Now, we've got thirty and stuff we've got so refreshing in the news like twelve nothing twelve one nothing to avoid to bang, and we had our first order hundred and thirty two dollars. And we like standing up yelling and silver writing back by the and and then we all realized that we need another twenty grand to pay wages by next Thursday. Beautiful way to guard. So it was so good. And from that period. Like, the energy was back for everyone audience that had thought some part of that audience had gone or they're big now that I need us. They will returned. And all of a sudden we were super fast growing again in that period from twenty thirteen next few years where incredible. The new independent company grew rapidly becoming one of his strategies, fastest growing startups. And by two thousand sixteen had more than four hundred thousand members one hundred ten staff and was bringing in revenue of close to fifty million trillion dollars every year around the middle of two thousand sixteen the company started to move into the global space first by heading to New Zealand, and then eventually Singapore. We're looking at Singapore, Hong Kong comparing those markets and seeing pull my lowest sense, it was in desperate need of a player like us. Those too many middlemen people paying way too much for one Tony people doing the hands. And what are some of the challenges that you had to think about when you start rolling business out into another country? So many one of the things I've kind of learned is we thought we had an idea of what the offering would be you know, we had an idea of what it should be when we went in. And we've had to adapt that take to the markets because they're very different like it. Can you can go over there? You can experience it you can say. This is the right motive for that industry or the space that country, but the reality launch and loan this. There's this things that you never expect that come up, and you know, what we thought was out business was actually no-doubt business. So we thought the the model which is like premium to social premium one Hugh righted to Al fob sent the ones that we love show, and then we deeper than anyone because of that super focus, which means the process better. And so and then the culture around the business, which is no ties, no BS, but super passionate about one that was will go into a new market like New Zealand, you go to the juicy you basically say what's up Marco buying in that spice premiums premium, and it's mostly K once. And so we'll go into that will go Q, right? It pick out five cent. Go super date by more than anyone which is Mojo and till the process at the Marcus before we've soon realized that that didn't work in. Zealand what we actually need to focus on what we do. Well, because New Zealand is a lot buying New Zealand one. But generally from New Zealand. Straddle guys. And so we quickly realize to focus on what we do. Well, which is striding one and unique kind of interesting ones from all around the world that not sane in these countries, very often, these days Vena, Mojo has sorted out. Some of the challenges with growing into global markets. And then now I of the US something they've talked about for many years, but perhaps twenty nineteen will be the time. I've done a lot of time there research a lot out the networking and done the licensing. So with their we're getting very close to be able to be ready. So it's just choosing win. What I would have originally done would've been bring out model and try and build out the networks within the American industry. And now what we're kind of leaning towards is similar to New Zealand where we do what we do. Really? Well, you know, there's five thousand ozzy's in LA area ex-pats, there's a whole bunch of the Moldova America. So even that as an audience. Great kind of market to target first. And then the market within America. That is drinking striking one is also very interesting. What point like when you growing this team? Did you start to realize that you'll skills as a leader needed to evolve to be able to like a bigger organization or did that is that just a gradual? I think it was a gradual process because it the skills you Nate as Aleida definitely change of time. I think very quickly you realize that managing people and leading people is very very important part of that skill set. And you know, when you when you starting as young onto preneurs, you've got, you know, just you just yourselves or a couple of people. It's all about you know, being old things in the face. And also, you know, you coding or you're writing copy or you're doing the, social and you. Was doing the marketing in two thousand and thirteen along with all my roles until I implore thankfully, keep who's still with the team as head of marketing today. And and that was I think two thousand thirteen thousand fourteen so up until then we'll significant business knows. I was the only God doing getting in the business you and that was a skill set that I had to have up until that point. And then now I'm still fascinated by and we still have really date conversations. But it's not my area, then you can go and focus on other areas. And I think the more time gets taken up with different things as you grow. You know, the the media side gets bigger the biggie. Get the the people pay skits much much much bigger, the strategy pace gets much bigger, the understanding raising funds and board meetings and process, and wow, it just changes so much. I think traditionally, you know, you have a CEO or ladies that kind of. Of feeding to a certain size company. But when it's your own, and you growing with it or your part of the original team that is scaled you get to experience all those different levels. And it is quite fascinating and challenging and scary and exciting and all the things that. All the motions that you can possibly imagine. Because you know, sometimes you if has pulsing drum at different stages different levels within the laws, and you've got to grow and the only way to do that step the hell out of your comfort zone, and and that's a constant thing. And I think people when they're starting look at people that have had a longer journey, and like a an a saying to be very successful enterpreneurial business later think he gets easy actually doesn't it gets hotter. And so if anyone is thinking that oh, just get to this size to this many people get to this number of employees to these many countries to these level of whatever this idea of success is and then it will be easy. It's just not. It's just like a constant evolution of just becoming an even bigger hot challenge. Yeah. Absolutely. But I mean, obviously incredibly rewarding or you wouldn't be doing it. And it's super exciting. I love it. But it's not a lot of comfort zones. You never truly truly comfortable if you growing probably plenty of people sit at home like having these these idea of when they start the journey as an entrepreneur like can reach this point than all of my stress goes away. Yeah. Exactly. And I think probably most people think that think that way, and it's just not the case. And I think that the more time I spend in the comfortable I get with risk. And that's what happens because the experience. So I you know, the things that would have bothered me five years ago. I don't even think about now I can sleep very easily not with one hundred things going wrong one hundred things air, whereas. Probably two things would have kept me awake. For three nuts in a row boost. So I think you get more comfortable with the risk and the responsibility. But the thought that you don't have to step out of your comfort zone, and it's constantly or regularly scary. It's folks. To do that next level, especially if you're fast growing company that's evolving changing and building, and you haven't been that level before there's a lot to loan. Andrea actually left Vena in twenty teen handing over the title to Justin. Although he still involved on the board, and he's still a major shareholder, and in many ways, this is a business inherently linked with family. So it may not be surprising to know that Justin's mom is also deeply involved in the business, in fact for a longtime. She did all of the accounts without charging the scent. So once the company was doing well, Justin really wanted to repay. My main driver in my life is my family to look after them make sure that they don't have to worry about things I wired about as a kid and went through. And so the fessing denied had a little bit of money out of the business was a pavements mortgage because I didn't wanna have a mortgage off. You know? That's what drives me. And then we actually started doing really well. And I started taking off. I remember colon here and saying, hey, mom. Good question for so. Yeah. How much do you have to give the job, and he was one of those really beautiful come sations that meant to me. And I didn't realize how much it meant to her into light as she told me that day that when she got I call, and she said goodbye was really excited, and she hung up the phone and she danced in the kitchen, and she was so happy to be out to come work for a boys. So it's really lovely moments. And and that's why one of the first things I ever wanted to do after everything that you've achieved. Now when you look back at the journey that you've had what do you feel? I think I'm I feel proud of of the things that are shaved my I feel like we've still got so much to achieve. It's one of those things that as most onference to you're always looking at the next thing. I feel regret around not appreciating the winds along the journey, and it's easy to say now, and I probably still a little bit. Because I'm always looking what's next? But there were times when we, you know, big significant things that happened where we should probably kind of just taking a moment and gone. Like, this is pretty cool. You know, like this is what's happening now is pretty cool doing this kind of deal is huge building a company like this huge employing first person is huge like all those momentus moments. And we didn't probably take the time that we could have to appreciate so a little bit regret a little bit proud a little bit. I don't know. You know, it's. Thankful like I'm really thankful that of had the opportunity you can you can prepare a lot, and you can dream a lot. And you can you can, you know, have vision boards and goals and all those things that I think is super important, but there's also reluctant volved in in these things and to pretend there, isn't is is is silly. And so we've been crappy lucky so I'd like, you know, I think that I'm very thankful for where I am in the opportunities that I have and the little moments that have been lucky along the way and also thankful for the moments. I haven't been to be honest because of lent a lot. So I don't know thankful. Proud little bits of regret Louis but super excited about what we have now. And then what we can do going forward. What's the biggest thing that you've leant on your Jenny? The biggest thing I've learned is that all good stuff is out Saudi a comfort zone. Probably. And I know that sounds like a motivational speaker. But actually is true. All those things with scariest for me to do have probably been the. Gained the most rewarding taking the risks daring to dream at this stuff was possible daring to put down on my vision border on my goals that I wanted to achieve certain things that have now become true daring to get in front of the camera. And the first one tasting that I felt extremely uncomfortable. I think so probably probably it continues today. Like, those things that I go that doesn't feel good that feels a little bit scary fearful about talking about the soul talking about that all getting up on stage or I think they're the much rewarding. So pro the lesson has been to yet feel the fear and just do it. Anyway. Thanks a lot to Justin the team at Vina. My. Building a unicorn is a loss in media production. You can find out more about the show will get episode transcripts at our website building a unicorn dot com. This episode was hosted and scripted by may Christopher Lawson with research by Patrick Laverick. 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Leslie Blodgett, former CEO and founder, bareMinerals: I learned that when I'm desperate, when I can't seem to find my way, is when I get most creative.

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Leslie Blodgett, former CEO and founder, bareMinerals: I learned that when I'm desperate, when I can't seem to find my way, is when I get most creative.

"So I learned that when I'm desperate when I can't seem to find my way is when I get most creative when I'm at the bottom feeling down instead of being depressed for long periods of time I started thinking what would I do in little steps to get there. I'm Carly's Aken. I'm Danielle Weisberg skin from the couch. This podcast is where we go deep on career advice from women who have lifted from the good stuff like hiring and growing a team to the rough stuff like negotiating your salary and giving or getting hard feedback. We started the skin from a couch. So what better place to talk it all out than where it began on a couch? Hey everyone this show might sound a bit different today because we're skimming from three different couches. This is still working from home for the time being because of covid nineteen today Leslie Logic joins us on skimmed from the couch. She is a trail blazer of the beauty industry leslie founded bare minerals, which she grew into a global empire by tapping into the power of marketing and community. And in two thousand ten, she saito acquired it for almost two billion dollars while her new best selling book. Pretty good advice. Give some pretty great advice and is available now leslie were except to have you welcomed skin from the couch. Thank you so much for having me looking forward to hanging with you guys. We have been very excited to do this. We met Leslie at a conference that we were at about almost two years ago year and a half ago we. Didn't know who it was like we knew her name, but we didn't know that she was the Leslie blodget. We just saw this like friendly looking who was wearing this very cool hat and standing outside getting coffee and she came up to us in and you're a huge fan of the scam and when we realized it was you I think we both like didn't even know what to. stadio. So I think it goes to show like you have such a friendly personality and. That makes everyone feel comfortable in talking to you and is also harshly how you are able to talk yourself into any room in in your early days of your career, which we're GONNA get into. So let's start off with our standard first question, which is Skim your resume for us our. Newspaper Out McDonnell's what did you do at McDonalds? Everything. I started with like cleaning toilets and sweeping the parking lot and then moved up to making burgers it Max then at fit. Two years of fit graduated in turned beauty companies. Always wore is shadow since I'm little kid went to work in the industry or selling makeup behind the counter spritzing fragrance bloomingdales in New York City in macy's met my husband at macy's while I was working behind. The counter is part of my resume I know it's a career thing is he's he's important. Did he keep coming back or did he like ask you on a date while you were working at the counter? All right. So I worked in macy's and part time because I was going to school and his girlfriend who's really cute. Girlfriend had the same shifts that I did like. He they lived in Brooklyn together and he would come in. So she didn't have to take the subway by herself at nights. and. That's how we met. We I I never knew the story Oh my God. So he would he would come. He was so sweet I kept asking do you have a brother friend and he did hook me up with friend once that didn't work out but it wasn't until they broke up a couple of years. Later he got a number and called me so what I didn't break any relationship. Okay. That's a good story though. Okay. So keep keep going macy's macy's then got a job at Halston Orelon you guys probably don't know a Halston, the fashion design end ud line I worked there for a little while then the big job was working at Max factor and then we were acquired by Revlon and moved to La? The company Max factor acquired by PNG and moved to Hunt Valley Maryland Maryland Baltimore had a baby in Maryland that was the best part. Of Maryland then we moved back to la because Keith wasn't digging Maryland so much whatever, and then he became the state Dad didn't have a career anymore after that I ended up being the breadwinner starting the kid was born and then were worked neutrogena. And then San Francisco in here we are what is something that people can't Google about you that we should now. Aren't. So here's the thing to that I. Don't have a Wikipedia page. My team for years wanted me to build one, but I had this issue with being. Out there. So I don't know what's out there and I'm very uncomfortable with what's out there. So what would people not know about me? That I can play the harmonica and hula-hoop at the same time. Did you do that growing up? On hula-hoop for sure the Harmonica, I learned as an adult. So I have a hula-hoop now as an adult that I use regularly. So then I just combined two gifts that I have. You write about a quote kind of stuck out at me. The quotas get desperate I wanna dig into what that means because I think you know when in reading about your story like we've gotten to know you a little bit over the last year or so and I knew the high level part of your story. But in researching for this, it don't think I really could appreciate her understood how you really got your foot in the door and so I want to understand what get desperate meant for you. Yeah I think for me. I always had to work hard to get noticed it in everything I did and I think number one is my parents were divorced when I was nine and we were left with her mom not that there was a bad vanishes that she was the the strict one the tough one. So I was always like driven to please her with I think a lot of kids have that too. She was never quite one hundred percent. Happy. So I was always trying to please her. So I was always going above and beyond to get the grades and to get on the teams and that type of thing because I wasn't. We didn't have a ton of money growing up I had to be creative. So by the time I went to two years of college and I. My first two years. It was rough because it was my first time being outside of my mother's like grip. So kind of had a little bit too much fun when I realized that I had to. GET DOWN TO BUSINESS. My mother helped me figure out what my passion was. I UNI but couldn't get in to fit I couldn't get a job behind the beauty counter, which is what I need to do to get into the cosmetic program and I had to so learned that when I'm desperate when I can't seem to find my way is when I get most creative by when I'm at the bottom feeling down instead of being depressed for long periods of time I just started thinking what would I do in little steps to get there the story I have in The book is about Bloomingdale's I. wanted to work there really did but they would not give me the time of day because I had no experience on mcadoo, you have it if you don't get it the only solution to that was to just be in their face and I thought without being too annoying I'm GonNa go to the buying office. I'm going to go there every day every morning I know when they come in because the first time I went and it was a very narrow hallway. And I would smile and they would have to brush past. We had to literally touch audience for them to get by, and they just saw me every day and I think you don't persist Internet way just. So dedicated to your personal 'cause I had no choice for sleeping on couches I didn't have a place to live. They said. Why don't you come in? We'll find something were you ever embarrassed I get embarrassed but not about that stuff like when I have a conviction about something I believe in it I believed that I needed to do this and that they would be happy about it like I was trying to explain to them my first interview with them you will not regret this. So I believed in it so much wasn't embarrassing but I do embarrassing things all the time I wanNA talk about bare essentials and bare minerals. How did you first get introduced to the company? So the Company existed as a bath and body retailer. and. I was asked to come in to run it when I was thirty one and what was it that stood out to them. I just had beauty experience there was I really was not gifted in any way just that again I am a passionate person and I didn't even know what I was capable of seriously, and at that time I just knew myself in what my beliefs were and how strong I am when I believe in something. So it was more important like, oh, she's got beauty experienced. It seems like a nice person so it was came to run this company. But the bath and body business bodyshop existed garnered Janika some of the other bath and body works I think was coming around that time. And they've just what you had to be super unique to make or a lot of money to expand. Then we changed the nature of the company completely by making it a makeup company in not a bath and body company. The makeup part I want to get to you. But I I WANNA talk about QVC and the role community played. How did that I come to be? Yeah. So we because we were bath and body retailer, we only made profits of the fourth quarter at holiday, sell these big gift baskets and rest of the year we losing money. So it was it was my second year or third year, and it was getting to the point. Where are we GONNA make? This is not this is not working we can't we? Can hold out that long and their employees and I'm the breadwinner, my family, but it wasn't just about me like, are we going to make it? So I'd be up in the middle of night like many people are when they're stressed out and I had a lot of anxiety and I would leave bed. So I went to the living room and watch TV and. I watched QVC because that was the best option in the middle of the night and I just loved it. There was this live person. Talking about jewelry talking to me and was very relaxing and I love to shop with an anything more than the simplicity of someone talking to me through the screen, which is what we do every day right now with our devices. So it took me many many days before I made my first purchase but I did talk me into it. I bought a set of three stacking gemstone rings which I still have today. For three easy payments and. In the mail I opened in. I. Was like, Wow, these really aren't UNIFIL gems rings. And that was sold on the idea that a person can be talking to me I can. This product, get it delivered to my house and have a great experience. So then it occurred to me, maybe I should try this can't afford models or agencies are print ads the whole beauty industry was in. Department stores with print advertising with gorgeous models that was not an option. So I thought you know what? Maybe I should be the one to go on. TV myself never done this not capable of this. I'm an introvert, but I don't have a choice again it was the desperation of to make some sales and maybe I can and met with the buyer five months later and. I bought a five carat fake diamond ring from QVC. She didn't notice but I was I was like, yes this woman's very successful and she was in a good mood. That day really comes down to how she feels and she gave me a chance that went on QVC. I told my personal story in six minutes of what the product is offering. People understood it. I think they looked at me and said Oh my. Gosh. She looks like a regular person but she's really smart. She knows her stuff she's an expert, his product developer. She has something new to offer and we sold out in six minutes more than we sold in store and we had to wait list and that was the beginning that was the turning point moment of company that was in one, thousand, nine, hundred, seven. Do you consider yourself an introvert extrovert. I am an introvert that's had to play an extrovert I wanNA talk about that because I think Danielle relate to that a lot. One of the first things he said is like your private and you don't WanNa be out there. But then at the same time you went on QVC talked about yourself for six minutes and truly like obviously changed the trajectory of your life in business but also released. At the stage of how to connect with customers I would just want to understand how hard that was for you and how when you balance your sewn known for how you and how your company interacted with customers, and you say, don't sell serve how you really like developed relationships. Well, before social media enables one to one interaction, how did you balance doing all of that extra activity while being interpreted person? Yeah. So I don't think as a kid I knew an introvert an extrovert was, but I got all my energy when I was alone and I was exhausted after being around people. So that's how I know now at that is but again, I think it comes down to I would say, yes to opportunities that matter and that I needed to do and then afterward after Roy greed or thought about it, then it petrified me what was I thinking like even the night before going On qvc amassing, what was I thinking right now but the decision, the the impulse and the instinct is to go forward because it is the right thing to do, and then I followed my persona, the person I am would follow and I I think I always allowed myself because being offensive even though I'm not an extrovert, we have to sides to us some of US might have a ten percent extrovert in there I knew what I had to do in the rest of me trusted. My judgment to do the right thing QVC every time I was on air for seventeen years I would still get nervous up until the very last time I did it. It was not natural to do it, but I also think that once I the first visited and once I went online to hear what people were saying people appreciate that and I knew that very early on people appreciate when you are. So yourself that that comes through which is why I never wanted to be media trained I. Never wanted anyone to tell me how I should behave that wasn't myself and that was another lesson i. Learned early on was just to trust who, I WANNA be in the world even if it's not natural I, WanNa talk about the products I got one of those holiday gift gets I remember really well, I remember the circles and then it had like the the filter in you tap and I was like the first time I used brushes that were different and I love makeup since Kobe has come to town I don't really wear it often but in my previous life I love makeup I, always had fun putting it on and when I got bare minerals I remember doing the step by step tutorial. When you started to put that product together what did you think was going to resonate with customers? Was it the fact that it was mineral-based? Was it the branding? How did you think about it from a product roadmap? So I no one cared about natural makeup back in the nineties was very. Small Niche groups that kid like there was a California contingent and people were using chemicals and bad ingredients and didn't even think twice about it. So it wasn't that I thought people would be all over that excited about it but I knew that it was a message that was new and it was gonna be Kinda hard to be the only person talking about we were the first mineral makeup to come out at natural idea the name of the so minerals wasn't the reason people wanted it. So the name wasn't the reason because they didn't know what minerals was had to be a lot of education, which is why going on. Was So helpful because I'm in ninety million households explaining why healthy matter I was able to talk about why a healthy good remake matters that's part of I think why it worked as I ask them to imagine something that they that they couldn't imagine imagine a makeup that's good for you that line alone. So I think language is important and hearing it from someone who was someone that looks like you can trust this person imagine makeup. That's good for you imagine a makeup that secure you can sleep in it. Those ideas were not ideas that we heard in industry and I. think that's why. I believe in any industry it's just great to learn language and how you can express yourself. THAT MAKES PEOPLE WANNA learn more about it. So I wouldn't say it was the Formula Ed First, let's face them as loose. Nobody knew how to do that. There was a lot of explaining to do the name nobody cared. Natural nobody cared yet. So I, I had to use language to to really reveal. What their needs were. How did you maintain both the confidence in the actual hold over understanding your customer? So well as you scale your team as you got more resources, how did you maintain the authentic connection? Yet, so I had zero confidence I had low self esteem. I talk about it but I definitely felt that and if I did not have that woman who called me on the phone when I got back to the office after my very first QVC visit if I didn't have more rain from Georgia calling me to ask now Paul Show was wearing to tell me that I had the online threads in the chat rooms on QVC I don't know where I'd be today. So. The confidence that I got. was from the very very early early stages talking to women who are interested in learning about the makeup of early adopters who were like, what is this Merrill Mecca, but is it good for you? I had conversations from the beginning from women who I could call my friends I knew their names we were online every night four hours a night four hours a night for the first ten months, and after that I stayed I stayed online for ten years when you're talking to people while you're creating something and they're all over the country so they have. Different lifestyles, different backgrounds we all got to know each other and we literally grew built this company together. So when new employees would come on I, would invite them in. So they can meet these people to we had advisors that were users they were customers from the beginning so they call it crowd sourcing now. After, the first round of products our customers told us what they wanted. And then we. Tested it with them and move forward. So I wouldn't say I was this confident CEO that had a strategy then zero strategy they were zero like massive plan here it was just the one big idea going on QC with a very unique product and then letting. In the book I got trusting the river, it's like let's get on this ride together and see where it takes us. Our competition wasn't following US nobody knew what we were doing. There's a lot of power in doing this in your own space without being attacked and no you write about leading with laughter you went through an eyebrow process and a sale. There had to be a lot of stress. How did you come up with kind of that leadership ethos? Where'd that come from? While it's funny. I looked talked about the idea for. The failed to Chicago the CEO came out to when we announce it to the company and he didn't speak English and did speak Japanese. But when he came to our all hands meeting for the announcement I, had him wear a t shirt? That said I'm an original which was. So he had to change out of his gorgeous suit into a t shirt and we all laughed I mean everyone uncomfortable for him to do but he did it because he was that giving. So we had a laughing moment from that day. It was very, very stressful every time. We. Launched a new product or I- earnings calls a hated them. But levity is what keeps people connected humor was always in my work life even before was running a company even when I worked at companies I would be the one. person. I. Just liked to laugh I dislike I. Know the health benefits of laughter and again for my childhood to just having that stressful divorce and all the issues there was always laughing that got me out of it. So I knew the power of that Madison and I also know that people who have fun together like to stay together. So there's a loyalty involved when you having some kind of fun be made sure that there was some release I do believe laughter's of release and it's a it's a connection point. It also puts us on a level playing field as well. So it wasn't fun and Games I. Mean we're super competitive grew. We just knew that when we would start a meeting, we would try and bring some lightness to are any of the. We had our our dances at two o'clock. In the afternoon, I would send an email to the company hundred hundreds of people. Let's meet in the lobby without shoes on. We would play couple songs we would just dance no talking go back to work just to release just the idea that we could do a couple dance ever have to talk that that's what I mean by Levity is just released and relief and guard team would like cry they had to dance with me. Dance. You talk a lot about laughter and. With people think one of the things that we both been most taken with you. What strong support system you've surrounded yourself with you talk a lot about your girlfriend's especially it's a great thing to hear about when you hear and see people reach such levels of success around like actually how they just kind of rely on their friends and keep business out of it and I would love to hear you talk about it. Yes. Thank you for bringing this up. I was so crazy with my career, then raising a kid. And traveling a lot that I didn't really make time for real friendships and when I moved in wasn't great. I didn't bring friends with me so I didn't keep in touch that way it was kinda. Sad. By the time I was over fifty I realized I didn't have close knit friendships I had acquaintances. So it was Jennifer author who you guys met at that same conference, who is a Stanford professor and her mother had this bridge group. Started fifty years ago where they actually played bridge but they were there all moms and they get together several times a year and they're still together for years she said, I want to build a bridge group, but we don't have to play bridge but there are a lot of bridges in the bay area that we have to drive over. So. Ten of us we operationalize this idea were all working women. Most of us have kids we have very busy lives, but we also know that we need people we can trust in the space with unconditional love and non judgment and no foam. Oh, and we basically have a couple of times a year where we show up with agenda what our goals for the year we talk about what we did last. Year did we reach our goals? How can we help each other? We have a WHATSAPP thread on every day to help each other through the hard stuff and the happy moments we have like a mission statement. It's like bring a lot of important executives together and they're going to really operate. So they'll have their going to hang out but with a mission statement yeah. Get injuring wine but we have oh cares. England. We have one overnight retreat in Databa- of wanted the gals houses we do get drunk. But. But mostly. Mostly. We're having discussions and we're laughing a lot of it is laughter word. It's just as a really safe space where I think the non judgement is a huge huge part of and we don't bring any of our baggage with us. So we lift each other up and we are honest I. Wish I had this when I was younger. But I. am just so grateful that I figured this out. You don't think that when you're over certain age, you can find deep friendships with people who have something in common with. So it's been incredible. Hey love that we're GonNa go to our last round our lightning round morning person or night. AL Morning Person I could have guessed that one. We'll let his the last show you binged watched. Dead to me I love that show Winer Tequila. To Cuba lemon or lime. 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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It celebrated counted down and reflected on in different ways around the world but with each culture comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty twenty one with a special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind humanity's strangest codes of conduct. Listen to superstitions free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts happy new year listeners. We made it as finally less than twenty four hours left in the year. Two thousand nine hundred twenty if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murdoch. And this is superstitions a specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in each episode we peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns or the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty head on according to cultures around the world. What you do. New year's eve will determine the trajectory of the next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill. So maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty twenty after rolled. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the ball. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face a persona cronos. Kala angolan on the knowns. Father time but all these deeds. He's only there to moscow the truth. The timeline is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area known as ut see plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london. Beleaguered playwright emily jordan would receive a parcel from her irish mother containing a single sprig of missiles. Oh and a note saying. Please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to me. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last-minute groceries. He found himself laying. Low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens black-eyed peas for dinner who was griffin deny southern southern tradition. Father north. america's central hub. For new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers of various sizes. She was once told that noisemakers with scare off evil spirits and in her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out any money to his friends. He saw on a list online that it was bad luck to low now. Money on new year's eve is lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal lock on the line. For new year's eve is special. It's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity takes a deep breath then walks hand in hand into the future and it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern. He was two hundred miles. South of having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown. Baltimore calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington d. c. of the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wrapped tightly and comforters salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands he checked his phone notifications from social media where plenty his account was anonymous under the handle trot skis ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more incendiary than he could be under his legal name but he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college acquaintance and the only person he knew who had an appointment lodge enough for couch. Safa sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud. How long do you need to crash always down to business. The two young men hadn't talked much since grants uncall- had given him that internship with jayanti economics right out of college. Unlike calvin he didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returned because hunt valley was an easy place for an entrepreneur than it silicon counterpart out west. at least. That's what people said. Grants may be a centrist shell but he was a reliable one calvin thought for a moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of a hot. Shower was immense kelvin. Swore he could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sproule in front of the tv. The film playing look like some old b-movie starring scott cushing the sort of thing. They used to watch and their home together. Hearing calvin enter. Grant looked up. You're going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for night of drinks next thing. You know you're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He'd had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. the idea. grants probably had no idea how well acquainted kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to the bathroom. Without pausing his voice echoed out across the porcelain. You have any Plans for the holiday staying stable and don't get arrested. Calvin thought to himself dowd. He replied not really no. There was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin. Who scrambled catch it. He raised at tentatively his ear and spoke. Hello calvin is that you it's ages. He knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped down to college and vanished into thin. Air all these memories came flooding back at her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh nothing much. Just seeing the world experiencing boring stuff like that been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood you know ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living the best life while he had spent much of his twenties with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance. But what was new year's eve fo- if not being a little selfish. So surely what are you up to this evening. Have new year's plans actually. That's just what i was calling. grant about. Elite diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come close. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer in sent before she hung up. Calvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activists offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely. So and i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights. They say sets the course for romantic personal life in the upcoming year. Calvin knew more about it than most since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants. Kelvin's grandparents both of whom are children of forty eight hours. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin turn to hand his phone back. Grazie right the hottest girl from our class just reappears. Out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle a cy. He never really went. In for macho crap like competing over a woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Someone was at the do on. Instinct calvin rose to answer it but stopped too soon. As he got look through the peephole the entire space was filled by a pair of men. In black suits for a moment he thought they could be evangelists but the stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter has six for feds and in this moment. That particular spidey sense. Was tingling had his old landlord reported him to the cia at someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learned who posted under the name. Trotsky is ice axe. He crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked. Grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Brandt calvin had to hide. The bathroom was too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen and out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greater shock to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew this. Troublemaker calvin paid back in hoping to country. Glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw chilled him. Even more than the frigid winter air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down a floor to the landing beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve ponte's beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing svetlana kouzmine who just celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on another wise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activist was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four pm. Calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She stood out at him a toothbrush frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused then. She cracked opened the window. Where's the fire she asked. I'm nowhere. I'm just it's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a stranger under dress man at you window. I e skeptical too. I just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer ten minutes. Then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared window in the middle of the day. But something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looked so bloody cold and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin a nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein din and breathed a sigh of relief. He finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with post shower humidity off to shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. Thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i needed. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. All it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said it's a long story but you have one grateful danilova here. His eyes fell to a laundry basket to the side. I'm did you mean to leave your underwear in here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands as if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it's safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media near miss that maybe he could schedule a post for later when the dust has settled and his alter ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't there. He cursed under his breath. He must have left it and grants apartment. Where either he or the feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes. Hopefully enough time for the feds to have realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window. I'm halfway through it. When he heard the door open behind him he turned to see his reluctant host holding the door. Open just clout the front. You don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin paused and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door he passed her kitchen and quotes a brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peer through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel. You thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power calvin had tried to calm his nerves by texting his old college crushed amount the upcoming party in about an hour he'd received five texts from shirley and sent nine not so favourable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at. the party. needs overplay his hand so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on. Like this kelvin. Made some trotskyists. Ice axe posts texted some friends to find another couch. Crash on his texts received few responses. Everyone it seemed was more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious year she had she figured it was time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and the plan. B for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find. It could be found just as easily at home. Eight pm calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any all ominous threats. This one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city. The casual use of baltimore's nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party in federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten. Thirteen pm it didn't take long for calvin to remember how much he hated big parties. The penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw everything from dinner gowns to skimpy fish net tops from black tuxes to ask this chaps. The level of modesty seemed to be at the discretion of each particular guest grant shameless ogling every glimpse of feminine skin incite. Oh i love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for. The limbaugh calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be a relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turns out shelly had been swept off her feet by charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and apps. Chevy didn't either that in the scottish celebration of hogmanay the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year. She wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion. Perhaps she would get just that. But calvin would never know all calvin new in the moment that he was alone in party full of obnoxious strangers the future look like another lonely year for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the bar listening to a woman named gloria rent about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar site called his is in the crowd. It seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebratory evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake. Commit the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused on his disappointments. He'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario. He snatched a discounted wig a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shape. Like the numbers twenty twenty and slipped through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm. Reba soto down. The streets will the boozy apartment complex. In the end she hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes at midnight. Some friends had peer pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raw building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out of a third story window. A line of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangled the man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier that day amazed. She walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses but she was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows' startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street. Curiosity guessing the better of her rebirth followed. Who are you running from. You wouldn't believe me if i told you. try me. So he told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him over the same she could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong and his own kind of self deprecating charm. They walked down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine p. m. They stopped on the street corner. Warm lights from the apartment buildings touched both their faces realizing the time. Reba fumbled in her purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell but we're not near a tower. So would it be the same if you down in equivalent amount of white wine. The color of grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. You know oh well. Excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him. Playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to her grapes. Muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling ba first. Great between her fingers three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to she caught a glimpse of dr car rounding the corner. Screw it she thought one. She kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and maybe a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see their quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at that very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky. Traditions seemed would doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth altman found herself in a bar getting hit on a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss had happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time off after all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen. Sixty three new york times report on. New year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities. It reads as the clocks ring. Outs the hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence all big and little old and young male and female push into each other's arms and haughty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests. Nayar hail the new year. While today's quarantine celebrations may be lighter on labial musketry than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember i. Good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it truly exists so not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future. These practices therefore cannot be frivolous. They are our ancestors. Prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland use to melt down the tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. A broken finger tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due the health. Risks of smelting lead based metal. In your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down. They wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favourite an ecuadorian tradition has communities stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever. Ford people grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best before plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future meets nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with them vicious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time. Be wary of the things. You cannot explain. Superstitions is a spotify original from past it is executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by. Nick johnson with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carly maddin and travis clock. This episode of superstitions was written by robert team teamster with writing assistance greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and research by adriana gomez. And mickey taylor. I'm alistair murden. Thanks for listening to this special. New year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpack the origins and impacts of our most unusual beliefs and. Hear the stories of those who dare to defy them. Follow the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts and from all of us here at podcast happy new year.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

Secret Societies

35:01 min | 2 months ago

Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It's celebrated counted down and reflected on different ways around the world but with each cultured comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty. Twenty one with the special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind humanity's strangest codes of conduct. Listen to superstitions free on spotify over ever get your podcasts happy new year listeners. We made it does finally less than twenty four hours left in the year. Twenty twenty if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murden. And this is superstitions a specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in episode we peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns all the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty head on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill so maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty twenty after rule. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face a persona. Even cronos carla banged goon. Bang rune the knowns father time all these deeds he's only there to moscow truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area as you t c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london beleaguered playwrights emily jordan would receive a parcel from her irish mother containing a single sprig of mistletoe. And a note. Saying please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last minute groceries. He found himself laying. Low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens and black eyed peas for dinner who was griffin to deny a southern tradition. Farther north america's central hub. For new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers of various sizes. She was once told that noise makers with scare off evil spirits and in her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out to his friends. He saw on listing online. That it was bad luck too low. Now money new year's eve it lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal luck on the line. For new year's eve is special. It's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity takes a deep breath then walks hand in hand into the future and it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern he was two hundred miles. South of manhattan. Having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown. Baltimore calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington. Dc over the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wraps tightly in comforters. Salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands. He checked his phone. Notifications from social media were plenty. His account was anonymous under the handle trot. Skis ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more incendiary than he could be under his legal name but he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college sense and the only person he knew who had an apartment lodge enough for a couch surfer. Sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud how long do you need to crash. Always down to business. The two young men hadn't talked much since grants uncle had given him. That internship with on right out of college unlike calvin. He didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returned because hunt valley was an easier place for an entrepreneur than it's silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist schill. But he was a reliable one calvin thought from moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of hot shower. Was immense kelvin. Swore he could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sproule in front of the tv. The film playing like some old b. Movies starring scott cushing. The sort of thing. They used to watch their dorm together. Hearing calvin enter grant looked up. You're going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing you know. You're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He'd had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. the idea. grants probably had no idea how well acquainted kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to the bathroom without pausing his voice echoes down to cross the porcelain. You have any Plans for the holiday. Stay in stable and don't get arrested. Calvin thought himself dow loud he replied no. That was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin who scrambled to catch it. He raised it tentatively busier ear and spoke. Hello kelvin. is that you it's age. Is he knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped out of college and vanished into thin air. All these memories came flooding back her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh no much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood. No ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living her best life while he had spent much of his twenty s with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance but what was new year's e four if not being a little selfish so surely what are you up to. This evening have plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Believe diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come plus. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Kelvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activist offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights they say sets the course for mandic personal life in the upcoming year calvin knew more about it than most since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants. Kelvin's grandparents both of whom were children of forty eight. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin turn to hand his phone back. Grazie right the hottest girl from our class just reappears. Out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle aside. He never really went. In for macho crap like competing over woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Some was at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too. Soon as he got a through the peephole the entire space was filled by a pair of men in black suits for a moment. He thought they could be evangelists at the stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment. That particular spidey sense. Was tingling had. His old landlord reported him to the cia. Had someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learned who posted under the name is ice. Axe he crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Brandt calvin had to hide the bathrooms too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen and out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greater shocked to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew this. Troublemaker calvin pared back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw him even more than the frigid winter. Air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the lending beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing svetlana kouzmine who just celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on another wise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activists was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four pm. Calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She stood out at him a toothbrush frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused. Then she cracked open the window whereas the fire she asked. I'm nowhere just. It's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange unaddressed. Man you window. I e skeptical to just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer Ten minutes then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day. but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody code and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin and nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein in and breathed a sigh of relief he finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with poche shower humidity after shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. I'm thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i need. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. Oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said it's a long story but you have one grateful danzal over here. His is fell to a laundry basket to the side. I'm did you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite her not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands. As if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss that maybe he could schedule a post for later. When the dust had settled and his alter ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't there. He cursed under his breath. He must have left it in grants apartment. Where either he or the feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes hopefully enough time for the feds. We've realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window is halfway through it. When he heard the door open behind him he turned to see his reluctant hosts holding the door open. Just go out the front. You don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin pasta and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door he passed her kitchen and caught a brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peered through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power. Calvin had tried to calm his nerves by texting his old college crush about the upcoming party. In about an hour he received five texts from shelley and sent nine favourable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hand so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing the day. Went on. Like this kelvin. Made some trotskyists. Ice axe posts texted some to find another couch crash on his texts received few responses. Everyone it seemed more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious year she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find lock. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any and all ominous threats. This one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city. The casual use of baltimore's nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party in federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten. Thirteen pm it didn't take long for calvin to remember how much he hated. Big ponte's the penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw everything from dinner gowns to skimpy fish-net tops. From black tuxes to ask this. Chap's the level of modesty seemed to be at the discretion of each particular guest. Grant was shameless. Ogling every glimpse of feminine skin insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief. At being rid of his annoying friend he was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be relief to find a familiar face in the mob could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turned out shelly had been swept off her feet by a charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and baps. Shelly didn't either. That in the scottish celebration of hogmanay the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year she wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion and perhaps she would get just that but calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in a party full of obnoxious strangers. The future looked like another lonely years for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the ball listening to a woman named gloria rant about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court his i in the crowd. Ten seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebratory tree. Evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused. On his disappointment he'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario he snatched discarded wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers. Twenty twenty and slips through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down the street toward the buji apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends had peer pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out a third story window align of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangle. The man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier that day amazed she walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses but she was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her. Rebirth followed. who you running from. H- you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Try me so. He told her and she didn't believe him. But she kept walking with him over the sane. She could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong and his own kind of self deprecating chom. They walked and talk down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine. They stopped on the street corner. Warm lights from the apartment buildings touched their faces realizing the time. Reba fumbled in purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near belltower so would it be the same if you down. Equivalent amount of white wine. The color of a grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. you know. Oh well excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to her. Great muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling first grade between her fingers. Three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to she caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it. She thought one she kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and may be a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see their quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at that very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. It seemed doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth. Altman found himself in a bar getting hit on by a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen. Sixty three new york times report on. New year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities. It reads as the clocks ring outs. The hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence. Ooh big little old young male and female push into each other's arms and hearty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests. Niagara hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations maybe lighter on label musketry than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve with it truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland used to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. Abro configure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting. Lead based metal in your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favorite an ecuadorian. Tradition has community stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever. Ford people grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best before plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future meets nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with them vicious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time. Be wary of the things you cannot explain. Superstitions is a spotify original from power cost. it is executive produced by max cutler sound designed by nick johnson with production assistance by ron shapiro. Cardi maddin and travis clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert teamster with writing assistance by greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and researched by adrian gomez and mickey taylor. I'm alice timid. And thanks for listening to the special. New year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpacked the origins and impacts are most unusual beliefs and hear the stories of those who dare to defy them followed the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Free on spotify. or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

Crimes of Passion

35:00 min | 2 months ago

Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It celebrated county down and reflected on in different ways around the world but with each culture comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty twenty one with this special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the hor- weirdness and truth behind humanity. Strangest codes of conduct listened to superstitions. freon spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Happy new year listeners. We made it as finally less than twenty four hours left in the year. Twenty twenty. if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair myrddin. And this is superstitions specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in each episode. We peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns or the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty head on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of the next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill. So maybe don't relax on this. Last day of twenty twenty after ruled a whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face a persona. Even cronos carla banged goon. Bang rune the knowns father time all these deeds he's only there to moscow truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area known as you. Ut c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london. Beleaguered playwright emily jordan would receive a parcel from her irish mother containing a single sprig of mistletoe. And a note saying. Please put under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last-minute groceries. He found himself laying. Low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens black-eyed peas dinner who was griffin to deny a southern tradition. Farther north america's central hub for new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers of various sizes. She was once told that noisemakers with scare off evil spirits and in her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out any money to his friends. He saw on a list online that it was bad luck too low now money new year's eve it lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They follow wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal luck on the line. For new year's eve is special. It's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity takes a deep breath then walks hand in hand into the future and it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern he was two hundred miles. South of manhattan. Having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown. Baltimore calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington. Dc over the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wraps tightly encompasses salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands. He checked his phone. Notifications from social media were plenty. His account was anonymous under the handle. Trotskyists ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more incendiary than he could be under his legal name but he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college acquaintance and the only person he knew who had an apartment lodge enough for count. Shefa sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud. gandhi. Need crash always down to business. The two young men hadn't talked much since grants uncle had given him. That internship with jayanti economics right out of college. Unlike calvin. he didn't return to baltimore for reasons he returned. Because hunt valley was an easier place for an entrepreneur than it's silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist schill. But he was a reliable one calvin thought for a moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of hot shower. Was immense kelvin swore. He could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sprawled in front of the tv. The film playing like some old b. Movies starring scott cushing. The sort of thing they used to watch and their dorm together. Hearing calvin enter grant looked up. You're going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing you know. You're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He'd had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. the idea. grants probably had no idea how well acquainted kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to the bathroom. Without pausing his voice echoed ounce across the porcelain. You have any plans for the holiday. Stay in stay boom and don't get arrested. Calvin thought tim self dowd. He replied not really no. There was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin. Who's scrambled to catch it. He raised it tentatively his ear and spoke. hello kelvin. is that you it's ages. He knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped down to college and vanished into thin. Air all these memories came flooding back at her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh nothing much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood. No ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living her best life while he had spent much of his twenty s with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance but what was new year's e four if not being a little selfish so surely what are you up to. This evening have plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Believe diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come close. I haven't yet decided whom i us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Calvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of activist offered a good share of flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights. They say sets the course for mandic personal life in the upcoming year. Calvin you more about than most. Since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants kelvin's grandparents both of whom were children of forty eight hours. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin tons to hand his phone. Back grazie right. The hottest girl from our class just really peers out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle asi- he never really went. In for macho crap like competing over woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Someone at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too. Soon as he got a look through the people the entire space was filled by a pair of men. In black suits. For a moment he thought they could be evangelists. The stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment. That particular spidey sense. Was tingling had his old landlord reported him to the cia at someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learned who posted under the name. Trotsky is ice axe. He crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked. Grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Brandt calvin had to hide. The was too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen and onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greater shock to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he this. Troublemaker calvin pared back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw him even more than the frigid winter. Air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Kelvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the landing beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an expected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing svetlana kouzmine who celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister. Irena she'd wanted to be put in touch with her american. Grand ole to penny but no luck one of many small disappointments on another wii delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america. A young political activists was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four pm. Calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She said out at him a toothbrush. Frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused. Then she cracked open the window whereas the fire she asked. I'm nowhere just. It's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange address. Man at you window. I fy skeptical too. I just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer ten minutes. Then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody cold and she felt like being charitable whatever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin a nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein in and breathed a sigh of relief. He finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with plo shower humidity after shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. I'm thank you random woman. You have no idea. How much need that rescue her. Muffled voice answered from the other side. oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said it's a long story but you have one grateful. Danzal over here is is fell to a looney basket to the side. I'm you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite her not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands. As if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss that maybe he could schedule a post for later. When the dust has settled and his alter ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't there. He curses under his breath. He must have left it and grants apartment. Where either he or the feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It been ten minutes hopefully enough time for the feds to have realized grant was as clueless. They were calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window was halfway through it when he heard the door open behind him. He turned to see his reluctant host holding the door open. Just call out the front. You don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin paused and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door. He passed her kitchen and cool a brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peered through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get out of here okay. Sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants apartment. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power. Calvin had tried to calm his nerves by texting his old college crush amount. The upcoming party in about an hour he'd received five texts from shirley and sent nine not so favourable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hands so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with his self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on like this. Kelvin made some trotskyists ice axe posts texted couch crash on his texts received few responses everyone. It seemed more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night she had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men. Either that this wasn't the superstition was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious years she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find lock. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten. And i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any all ominous. This one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city the casual use of baltimore. Nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party and federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten. Thirteen pm it didn't take long for calvin to remember how much he hated big parties. The penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw from dinna gowns to skimpy net tops. From black tuxes to ask this. Chap's the of modesty seen to be at the discretion of each particular guest grant which shameless ogling every glimpse of feminine skin insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turns out shirley had been swept off her feet by a charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and baps. Chevy didn't either that in the scottish celebration of hug manet the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year she wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion and perhaps she would get just that but calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in the party. Full of obnoxious strangers. The future look like another lonely year for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the bar listening to a woman named gloria rant about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court. His is in the crowd. Ten seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and sell tree evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused on his disappointments. He'd forgotten to properly scout for exits. In the worst case scenario he snatched a discarded wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers twenty twenty and slips through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down the street toward the bucci apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends who peer pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out of a third story window align of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangled the man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier. That day amazed. She walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig stupid glasses. She was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very neely lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her rebirth followed. Who are you running from. H- you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Try me so. He told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him over the same. She could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong and his own kind of self deprecating chom. They walked talk down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine pm. They stopped on the street corner. Warm lights from the apartment buildings touched their faces realizing the time. Reba fumbled in purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month of the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near belltower so would it be the same if you down. Equivalent amount of white wine. The color of a grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. you know. Oh well excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to hook rates. Muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling the first grade between her fingers three e. she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to she caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it she thought one. She kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and maybe a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see their quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at that very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. It seemed doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth altman found herself in a bar getting hit on by dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss had happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate the rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time after all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen. Sixty three new york times. report on. New year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities. It reads as the clocks ring outs. The hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence all big and little old young male and female push into each other's arms and hearty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests niagara hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations may be lighter on label musketry than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland used to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. A broken figure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting lead based metal. In your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favourite an ecuadorian tradition has community stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever food. People grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best before plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism the future meets nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with ambitious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time. Be wary of the things. You cannot explain. Superstitions is a spotify original from podcast. It is executive produced by max cutler. Sound designed by nick johnson with production assistance. Ron shapiro carly maddin and travis clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert teamster with writing assistance by greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and researched by adrian gomez and mickey taylor. I'm alice timid. And thanks for listening to the special. New year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpack the origins and impacts of our most unusual beliefs and. Hear the stories of those who dare to defy them. Follow the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Free on spotify. or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It celebrated counted down and reflected on in different ways around the world but with each culture comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty twenty one with this special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind. Humanity's strangest codes of conduct listened to superstitions. freon spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Happy new year listeners. We made it as finely less than twenty four hours left in the year. Twenty twenty if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murden. And this is superstitions a specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in each episode we peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns all the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty ahead on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of the next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill. So maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty twenty after rule. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face. A persona even cronos carla band. Goon bang rune the knowns five time all these deeds. He's only there to moscow the truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area known as ut c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london. Beleaguered playwrights. Emily jordan would receive a parcel from her irish mother containing a single sprig of mistletoe. And a note. Saying please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last minute groceries laying low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens and black eyed peas for dinner who was griffin to deny southern tradition. Farther north. america's central hub. For new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers various sizes. She was once told that. Noise makers would scare off evil spirits and then her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out any money to his friends. He saw realistic online. That it was bad luck to low now. Money on new year's eve it lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal lock on the line. For new year's eve is special it's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity a deep breath then walks hand-in-hand into the future. And it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern. He was two hundred miles. South of manhattan having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown baltimore. Calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington. Dc over the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wraps tightly encompasses salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands. He checked his phone. Notifications from social media were plenty. His account was anonymous under the handle trot. Skis ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more than he could be under his legal name. But he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college sense and the only person he knew who had an apartment lodge enough for couch. Safa sure enough there. It was a kurt bud. How long do you need to crash always down to business. The two young men hadn't taught much since uncle had given him. That internship with jayanti right out of college unlike calvin. He didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returned because hunt valley was an easy place for an entrepreneur than it's silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist schill. But he was a reliable one calvin thought from moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of a hot shower. Was immense kelvin. Swore he could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sproule in front of the tv. The film playing like some old b. Movies starring scott cushing. The sort of thing. They used to watch their dorm together. Hearing calvin inte- grant you going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing. You know you're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. The idea grants probably had no idea how well acquainted. Kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to bathroom. Without pausing his voice echoed out across the porcelain have any Plans for the holiday. Stay in stable and don't get arrested. Calvin thought himself self doubt loud he replied not really no. There was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin who scrambled to catch it. He raised at tentatively his ear and spoke. Hello kelvin. is that you it's age. Is he knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped out of college and vanished into thin air. All these memories came flooding back her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh nothing much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that. Been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood you know ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living best life while he had spent much of his twenties with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance but what was new year's e four if not being a little selfish so surely what are you up to this evening. Have years plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Billy diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come plus. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Calvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activist offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights they say sets the course for mandic personal life in the upcoming year calvin knew more about it than most since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants. Kelvin's grandparents both of whom were children of forty eight hours. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin tons to hand his phone. Back grazie right. The hottest girl from our class reappears out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle cy. He never really went in for macho crap like eating over woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Someone was at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too. Soon as he got a look through the people the entire space was filled by a pair of men. In black suits for a moment he thought they could be evangelists but the stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment that particular spidey sense was tingling had. His old landlord reported him to the cia. Had someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learn who posted under the name. Trotsky is ice. Axe crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked. Grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Grant calvin had to hide the bathrooms too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen. And out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greats a shock to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew this. Troublemaker calvin pared back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw him even more than the frigid winter. Air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the lending beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing sped lana kouzmine who just celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on otherwise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activists was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four m. calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She stood out at him a toothbrush frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused. Then she cracked open the window whereas the fire she ost. I'm nowhere and just it's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange man at you window. I fy skeptical too. I just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer ten minutes. Then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody code and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin a nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein and breathed a sigh of relief. He finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with post shower humidity after shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. I'm thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i need. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. Oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said. I don story but you have one grateful. Danzal over here is is fell to a laundry basket to the side. I'm did you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite her not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands. As if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss that maybe he could schedule post for later when the dust had settled and his alter ego the feds with impunity his phone wasn't he cursed under his breath he must have left it in grants apartment. Where either he or the feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes hopefully enough time for the feds. We've realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window halfway through it. When he heard the door open behind him he turned to see his reluctant host holding the door open. Just go out the front. Don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin paused and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door. He passed her kitchen and cool to brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peer through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power calvin had tried to calm his nerves texting his old college crush about the upcoming party. In about an hour he received five texts from shelley and sent nine not so favorable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hands so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on like this. Kelvin made some trotskyists. Ice axe posts texted some friends to find another couch. Crash on his texts received few responses. Everyone it seemed more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious year she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find lock. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any and all ominous threats that this one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city the casual use of baltimore's nickname worried. Calvin the hams going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party and federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face. Ten thirteen pm. It didn't take long. For calvin to remember how much he hated big parties. The penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw dinner gowns to skimpy fish-net tops from black tuxes. to tap. the level of modesty seemed to be at the discretion of each particular guest. Grant was shameless. Ogling every glimpse of feminine skin insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turned out shelly had been swept off her feet by a charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and baps surely didn't either that in the scottish celebration of hug manet the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year she wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion and perhaps she would get just that but calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in a party full of obnoxious strangers. The future looked like another lonely year for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the ball listening to a woman named gloria rant about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court. His is in the crowd. It seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebrate tree evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused on his disappointments. He'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario he snatched discarded wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers twenty twenty and slipped through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down the street toward the buji apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends had peer pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out of a third story window align of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangled the man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier. That day amazed. She walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses as she was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her. Rebirth followed. who you running from. H- you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Try me so. He told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him all the same she could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong. And his own kind of self deprecating chum. They walked and talk down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine pm. They stopped on the street corner. A warm lights from the apartment buildings touched their faces realizing the time fumbled in her purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near belltower so would it be the same if you down. Equivalent amount of white wine. The color of a grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. you know. Oh well excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to her grapes. Muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling the first grade between her fingers. Three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to. She caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it. she thought one she kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and may be a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. That trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see the quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. At seend were doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth altman found herself in a bar getting hit on a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time after all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen sixty three new york times. Report on year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities it reads as the clocks reading the hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence all big and little old young male and female push into each other's arms and hearty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests niagara hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations may be lighter on labial musketry than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland use to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. A configure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting. Lead based metal in your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favorite an ecuadorian. Tradition has community stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever food. People grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future means nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with ambitious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time. Be wary of the things. You cannot explain. Superstitions is a spotify original. From power cost it is executive produced by max cutler. Sound designed by nick johnson with production assistance. Pyro shapiro carly maddin and travis clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert teamster with writing assistance by greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and research by adrian gomez and mickey taylor. I'm alison murden. Thanks for listening to this. Special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpack the origins and that's of our most unusual beliefs and hear the stories of those who dare to defy them. Follow the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Freon spotify or wherever you get your podcasts and from all of us here at podcast we wish you a very happy new year.

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Hosted by Dr. Scott Sigman  Cartilage King of the West

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Hosted by Dr. Scott Sigman Cartilage King of the West

"So we're trying something new here at the ortho show before each episode. We wanna give a little rundown about what to expect. This is a great conversation with bert mandelbaum. He's a dear friend of mine and colleague. He's really one of the master. Sports medicine specialists up in the united states. He's been an iconic leader and pioneer in so many different things he he really was one of the earliest adopters. The idea of acl prevention. When i think of cartilage i think bert mandelbaum from the earliest days of he's been involved in cartilage transplants and research behind that as well and literally when it comes to soccer he is the guy the oj of orthopedic medical coverage for soccer in the united states has been doing that for over three to four decades. It's a great story. He's a is an amazing orthopedic surgeon. And we're so thrilled to have him on the show. We hope you like it as much as i do ortho laser. 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Show podcast will you bring you the best of the best in the orthopedic world and there is no exception to that rule. Today we are very excited to have. Dr bergman obama's north pedic surgeon sports medicine specialists from santa monica california where he's been a part of santa monica with peter group when a my favorite orthopedic groups in the world I actually liked to label our guest. Birt's i'm going to give you a little bit more of introduction here and then we'll roll right in so i'm going to call you a few things i'm gonna call you the cartilage king of the west you're the defender of acl's and you are the oh g. and pioneer of orthopedic medical care for soccer in the united states. Welcome to the show bert. Great to be here Awesome to give you my friends so. La's been running through things a little bit right now right. I hear every day. We're hearing a lot about california guys. Doing elective surgery right now. Are you shut down while we are in the world of sports medicine at the moment. The big house where we are sales associate with cedar sinai is had back a little bit of elective surgeries nowadays based on some expanding numbers in the hospital in the censuses rising ovid patients really in a difficult times as a country right now. Yeah we're we're doing the same here. Massachusetts is not really very good right now. We only have three beds available in my hospital. Were they're still allowing us to do elective surgery. But or reducing the impatient mission by fifty percent. But my guess is as we roll into the next week with thanksgiving Surge that we're gonna wind up getting the things are probably going to be shut down but it's You know lot about you. Limi- up for that vaccine. You know. I want to get on with my life and get moving here but it has been tough times. We theoretically up next week. Apparently we have vaccine at cedars-sinai yet. I don't know the order. Hierarchy of who's getting it. But i'll be one of the first help. Yeah i completely agree i mean. I think that there's some negative negative energy about vaccines. We're not gonna go there. We're not really a scientific program per se but I just I just want to be able to to move around and not have to worry about this thing hopefully and be safe with our kids. I mean it's everywhere now so hopefully we'll get through this so it's been interesting. I think in the in the world of sports medicine in southern california over the last couple years you guys have been through a number of transitions and now. There's this really unique. Merger that's happened. I'm not sure if everyone's familiar but cedars-sinai curl job in the san santa monica where the pd group have all come together. Now as a single orthopedic department tell us about that. Because i really find that pretty fascinating fascinating about two thousand. Eleven towards the end neil ellett troughs curling job defeated group. Got with me. And we went on a journey that ended up with discussions with ucla. Usc came up with cedar sinai in october of two thousand fourteen. We became as one. Renamed it the curl job institute cedars-sinai our affiliate and it's been a great relationship over the last eight years us to be the largest sports medicine fellowship in the world it allows us to have research dollars clinically. Take care of our teams so it's really been great for our mission. Really take legacy of girl. Joe take it to the next level so it's been really exciting. Yeah well you know as a former curling of fellow myself you know. I've been sort of following along. And and you know. And the crew would santa monica orthopedic group with kevin erhard remain modabber. Michael gerhardt. clint soppy. I mean you know. These are some of my favorite orthopedics on the planet as well as you to bert and So super cool that. Everybody's sort of coming together you know. I think it's interesting because you guys have you know it's always been super important for you and your legacy and being able to train and educate and and be able to pass on the knowledge that you have to your fellows and and so you know i'm gonna throw out some names of some of my favorite the smog fellows and then you can tell us a little bit about what's happening in the current fellowship. But we got to throw out some love to jason skop on the eastern shore who is another tremendous leader in the cartilage. World and steve moore. Who absolutely adores you. He had steve on the other day. It was the the alita where the pitas for the ufc guys and just doing amazing job. And then who i think is perhaps maybe the the greatest rising stars were h allah. Who is just phenomenal. You know machine for peak so it's pretty cool. Isn't it that you've been able to help. Trade all these guys. Well the smog family. Now the kgi family is just such an amazing group of people orthopedic surgeons personalities academic stars women proud of that think it really takes full bodied approach. Not just the technical to see academic just surgical as we say concepts technique technology makes the family really sing. That's what you're speaking to and part of our mission of training legacy these kind of people who are committed to excellence who are committed to be great leaders is really what we're after so at that is excited and so with the merger now how many fellows do have the three three groups coming together. Well we have nine at the moment nine. Orthopedic sports medicine fellows. We have two primary care. Sports fellows when we have one shoulder and elbow selo at the moment so and we also we can't forget we have a concussion fellow so we've got a few floating around. Does the fourteen. Yeah i mean arguably you know. It's funny when you when you look at sports medicine fellowships right there the types of fellowships that you can do where you go and you have a single mentor. You hang out with them for year and he kind of teachers and stuff but the the true great sports medicine. Fellowships offer you the entire gambit of what you can learn so research time in the operating room The team coverage which is so important and understanding the process and and prevention of injuries. And all of those things and you guys have really leapfrog right to the top at this point for has to be one of the top sports fellowships in the country. If not the world for sure you know. What a great things about sports medicine. It offers us the opportunity to five different things we can take her patients and operate on folks. We could take care of teams get administrative events that serve third we could do research and we can do education so there are five major elements. We have being sports medicine. Doctors aids world. Each of mentorship is a big part of that. And so we're very excited about our fellows or fellowship and We as you know really wanna do right for the legacy of curling job off where the day of done as our forefathers sports medicine really take it to new levels research very excited. Cedar siding really embellishes that. We've formed a regenerative ortho biologic center at cedars. The mark varis are dishing from right there in boston for the massachusetts general came or years ago. Now the chief import the pd. Amazing job it really facilitating the relationships celebrating our ability to be good and commit excellence. Which is what we really liked to do. Yeah i mean you've you've been one of the absolute leaders of pioneers in sports medicine research. I mean we always joke around especially when this show lots of of different substantial it's like come on board and sports medicine's really always been experienced based not so much evidence base. We're at the tip of the spear we're changing things all the time but but you've been involved in writing over ninety papers despite being in private practice you've written five books. I mean research to you as been part of your core from the beginning of your practice. It is it's I usually like to think of all of us has been mission directed and my mission is really to be able to focus on evolving concepts technique and technology. That's the formula. I think in always reinvented. Assets are changing techniques. Nothing you and i did that. We learned as fellows that we do today and technology look at technology. Just every year moore's law exponential changes that were saying things changed. We've gotta think in terms of everything. From new computational data robotics reprinted virtual reality ortho biologics big five in terms of evolving innovations in. Its its accelerate in. We've gotta stay with it concepts technique acknowledgee in. That's what we've been focused on. Yeah i mean innovation can be hard though for a lot of guys that you've learned what you've learned. It's hard to make change. I mean i used to joke around. You know the only two operations that i still do that. Jr richmond told me in residency was an arthroscopic akhromeyev In a partial middleman to me. And i don't really try to do those operations especially alone anymore. Ever and so everything that i'm doing is really differ from from what my even my great training acrylic job. And so you know. I think that it's super important to have people like yourself who can lead And really help to push the envelope and and really changed the way people think on technique in and the operations that are available. We're going to talk about jim medicines. No that's a big big play for you. But i wanna i wanna stay in cartilage for a little bit because i think the cartilage has always been you know i think of cartilage and i think berkman obama just do. It's something that's just synonymous so so what's your latest. You know i'm a. I'm a macy guy so that people are out there listening that that aren't necessarily with big cerdan matrix. Induced autologous condensate implantation. You take cartilage cells out of your a we can grow them in the lab and then we put him back into your knees six weeks later and we can grow cartilage. And it's something that i've been doing for fifteen years at this point but i know that you've been involved in a lot of different cartilage. So what's the latest and greatest for burt mandelbaum. Well as you know. I've been involved with ishii since since inception back in the days of lars petersen Bergen tom minus really getting us in bowl. We're involved in the registry. Spent a lot of time. Focusing on the whole approach is parasites counter sites connor sites. And now we. We took a little bit of development as and again as we talk about reinventing with jack star. Brian cole got involved in the case project. Remember that when when the mitek. Jj and then the pivotal trog cancel is what we founded had tremendous effects that we take our Congress sites came out and and we were seeing. Our clinical fox was quite auditor but they cancelled the pivotal trial. And that point on people like andrea Far brian myself began thinking more about mincing cartlidge in in asking me. What has been the newest that we've been really focusing on is what we call pacey articulate autograph cartilage implantation It's also called autocar by our ethics of ours in we also have utilized In our seeing tremendous results especially on the dell and again these things have to be done in conjunction with either be mac or vip to facilitate hartland metabolism. Activating the congress sites in improving the strength of the cartridge before again. All these things. We do rechecking. Checking with patient. Reported outcomes in in point such as mri at different times. So it's been very exciting to us up russ in also in conjunction with our approaches to us. You allographs exciting again. Once again using arthur biologics facilitate integration of our graphs your feet or bowler asper concentration so those have been the two areas that have been very exciting to us. Yeah so just for the listeners. I always like to break down a little bit so my mother could understand. So basically you know we take little cartilage and then you miss it. You chop it up in the operating room right from from donor site and then you put it into the place where it needs to go and then what you do. Is you either. Take some blood from the arm. Which is the platelet rich plasma or you can do b mac. Which is the bone marrow. Aspirin concentrate which typically can come out either from the knee area or could come from the pelvis area. You spin it down and you get these growth factors and then you throw some growth factors on like some fertilizer to hopefully have that cartilage. He'll go on. And that's the process. And i think that We'll talk a little bit more about regenerative medicine to because i think that's such a major theme right now in orthopedics. I you know so One of the things. I wanted to talk about though. Is that you know i think are also involved in emplacing. Be mac into the bone so you know the procedure. The interagency ics bioplastic. That's been been touted by arthur. I know your partner with them. I'm a big fan. I'm current using tactics at which the bone mineral substitute. It's not an assault counterblast. He's a pretty lousy name for something but per catania's fixation or or to sort of stimulate the bone marrow lesion and for the people that are listening it's zone in the bone that becomes really thin if you will almost looks like a stress fracture and it's a source of pain and it's a bad prognostic indicator for arthritis and and so it's interesting that we've been sort of in the process of trying to fix those lesions as well so give us your experience when the has bioplastic particular. Let's get back to our pro concepts technique technology. Okay when it comes to the sub conroe. We've learned since nineteen ninety. Eight is ready. As given us an understanding of this very amazing nexus of blood vessels it exists in the ball in when we disrupt those. We call it a variety of names. We can call an insufficiency fracture. We o'mara dima we call it song we could assu necrosis call any of those things but what's happening is very interesting. There's two phanom one is on the pressure. Shot russia goes on venus outflow. side passage. Goes up the clearance time. Those so what happens is we're just not clearing lead flow in and out of the bone and then we see something that has been described by philippe her which is basically the cells decrease in their population they down regulated in it really represents a significant prop so physiological problem. We have cellular problem. Guess what we have to solve so man and our tools concepts signal go at it will say okay. How can i solve this problem. I got alleviate the pressure getting the blood flow out of there and going to bring some cells. So how do we do. Well where compression has been around a while and again fully purna glue from. Paris is an amazing job especially hip giving us some understanding what we decompress. It makes a difference over asks for concentration. Why because we have some self a whole lot. Zero point zero one percent stem cells in there. But they become. Because you're multi potential they become ostia sites us. You'll blast bringing more cells. So what do we do. We bring in sales alleviate the pressure we get the chains avi venus capacity dimensions and we get bone to heal. So it's been an amazing phenomena and in certain situations when we need to add strength. there's where the mineralized matrix come in. And so it's it's an amazing phenomenon. Last decade put together these concepts. We now have techniques at technol- altogether to improve our clinical care. That's that's perfect. That is a great segue because the next thing that i wanted to talk about was her to get her and agoos study. That was just recently published. An one everybody to hear about this. Because i really find pretty fascinating. This was an. It's just amazing that he just published this thing so he was taking care of patients from the year. Two thousand two thousand five and he was deciding north route jal he put. He put the bone marrow aspiration either into joint or into the bone marrow religion that we were just talking about and he then followed him for fifteen years and of the patients that had the injection into the bone. Twelve out of sixty of them went onto total knee replacements. So bad one point three percent per year but forty two out of sixty that had the bomar aspirin into the joint went onto total knee replacement. I mean that's that's believable. Stop unbelievable stay in so many different ways. What a landmark. Study poidevin the. Because he is is really i mean. He's john wooden of what we're talking about. Espn back in two thousand thinking about this developing solutions in Myanmar asian really goes out to him for for being able to develop the concepts around this and then in twenty years showing the study of decreasing the rate of only arthur. Plastic after the inter. Ossius injects just amazing. Study the yeah really remarkable. So we'll stay here in regenerative medicine for a second. And you know you know medicine right now in orthopedics. I just got a got quoted in in becker. Spiny acid. a number of about what our thoughts were about the most controversial. You know sort of treatment right now and it's like black licorice and the grateful dead man it's like you either love it hate it. There's no inbetween and there are great worship leaders that have been in the space for decades that have been you know proponents of it but yet the the literature a you know unfortunately still lags as far as the ability for commercial payers or medicare to recognize this as a treatment that they want to pay for so so talk to me about that is that is it. A failure you know is is our academy doing a good enough job to be able to to settle this thing out. Know should we did he do. I know the studies are coming out. Slow but sure. And i'm a firm believer that there's definitely something in there that's working but we just maybe don't understand it as well as we need to book give it. Give us your thoughts right now. Regenerative medicine. I hate to be redundant with you on step stickney technology in evolution a but. Here's a good one. Rogers gave us the innovation. Diffusion theory that we know about it starts with the innovators early adopters in become with the early majority late majority. Guess what sixteen percent laggers in everything. We do in technology whether it'd be robots virtual reality or big data three d. printing. Everything goes away or the biologics is going the same way where we will well before our tipping for we're at that stage of innovation two point five percent it's early on and then we see ourselves as early adopters what we do people like myself. Jason drug google for the biologic association with a great group of people at several societies. Aol in ics. We do that a little bit with our academy. We do it with our colleagues. In medicine we do with our rehabilitate specialists. And we do it in a way this now. The biologic association. That's trying to four the science and being able to with the science. The plague in establishes path of good evidence based information as academy been great to us get On the velka guidelines came out and again this data ten years ago. That really told everybody practicing orthopedic surgeon is the only thing you can do. Give her thoughts some exercise. In an osteopathic for arthritis nothing was really green lit in that inscription and and as a consequence we felt. It was important that we get on top of this literature struggling. There's a tremendous amount of literature genius in as a consequence limited yet back to the rodgers fusion. Innovation is gonna take time. It's gonna take disciplined. Science is not conflict. It doesn't have a bias to it that we report with white papers. We could report with guidances and guidelines in but it takes the work and it takes time. But we're moving along exponentially vast. Moore's law has given ask that as well i think. In the next few years we see tremendous amount of information that is not heterogeneous not only to use a prp or be met or understanding w. n. t. in addition a how to use all as in an injunctive way which is going to be like all of medicine whether it be hiv or alka logic approaches is going to require radiation breast cancer immunotherapy. Ross require that we approach these things from different systems. And we're doing that at the moment but it is exceptionally well. Said i mean we hear this a lot on the ortho show about people new technology and the things that they're doing and the the struggles to get across the chasm of innovation to be able to get those people to become more mainstream. And so really. Thank you very much for that outstanding explanation. So what are the other things. That i'm very proud of you for Is i called you. As we as the lead in here you know the defender of acl's but you know at the forefront at the earliest times you've been a huge proponent of trying to develop acl prevention protocols right. it's an epidemic. The worst thing you can do as a clinician is walk into the room of that. Eighteen year old Women who you know is a division one soccer player and tell her that she's torn owl and so walk us through the for eleven. Which i know you are a big part of your soccer world. Which was this prevention program where it is now what your thoughts are as we move forward trying to to really prevent these really terrible injuries. Ziggy all this started. Nineteen ninety nine. We're in hunt valley maryland with a group of twenty one different therapists. Trainers docs butting heads. Together my good old friend and memory bill garrett myself ringing together this group trying to figure out what was happening job why was it. Referential these young girls and what we can do about it now. Came what we call the Program prevent injury enhanced performance and it was five exercises before the workout and we did a study in the early. Two thousands looking at whether or not it was effective and found that with i. Eight percent then. Seventy four percent effective in the cdc got involved and they wanted to look at it separately. The us and they found it was seventy two percent effective in a randomized controlled. Trial then fee forgotten ball. The leak developed a fee for the level of plus program. We translate eleven different languages and went global. We also studied with another randomized controlled trial in male soccer players. Showing a seventy six percent reduction in acl injury. So it's been an amazing evolution. We've learned a lot over time in terms of how Injuries occur but the mechanisms are and how we could make a difference in terms of prevention programs in most importantly injured the ratio. How we could prevent either injury to the same or the lateral name. Yeah i mean. It's really terrific. And i jumped on board you know early on and just trying to get as many of our athletes to follow this fearful levin and for those. That are listening. You can google it. It's eleven plus exercises that you can do. It's about core strengthening. And these are things that can help you and your young athletes to hopefully not have to walk in the doctor's office and have that consultation about a about a coo injury you know. We had tim hewat on as well. I know you know tim. Well and There's just a lot of you know very positive concepts that are out there where you know as far as what we can do to try and prevent injury for our athletes so kudos to you again for really being one of the earliest adopters in that. That's fantastic art. So you know we again. We learn as you as the o. G. of soccer when i think of cartilage i think berkman of and i think of us soccer. I think burr mandelbaum so so tell us what's going on. You've done everything when it comes to. The medical world is soccer. I mean you take the us national men's team forever. You've been the chief medical officer of a number of different events. So what's the latest and greatest. I know you're also take care of the los angeles galaxy. What's happening soccer manager passion. It's what you do. Give us an update with soccer as you since nineteen ninety four effort that we did in the world cup right here in america represented the red white and blue ever since you know. That's my money patriotic commitment than it's been amazing to see good times and bad times i've been involved with all the world cup's olympics simpson. Now now you ask. What's new is that. We've got some youth on our side the next generations. The rain is who did well and yearly millennia. Before now we've got their sons gio rain. We've got a variety of other athletes. Where young somewhere between eighteen and twenty two all out there playing for the big clubs like barcelona christian lucic langford chelsea. We've get people play for juventus scoring goals. Yesterday was a big day. Are men's national team players. Three of them. Score lesson mckinney g arena. And so it's a. It's an amazing amazing moment in christian scoring a goal so It's it's exciting to see what's happening now that it we've got to put together the reality. We have a great coach. Gregg berhalter a great commitment of us soccer. So i'm excited about the knicks world cup. I'm excited about our olympics. Next year in japan and i'm excited for the future of uso soccer. Both men's analyst side would force so it's an exciting time for us. They all haven't been so exciting. I've been there through thick and thin times so this is great to see the moment. Yeah well again. We're super propriety. Burt for you know for for sticking through this and really elevating soccer to the level where it is at this point right now. We're excited. I mean when the world cup comes on i look forward to seeing you on the sideline and you know just really sort of transitions. All of us into the excitement. The game but Look bird i wanna thank you. I mean you've been a pioneer and leader in so many different. You know really important areas in in sports medicine and it's a real pleasure to call you friend and colleague. I just can't thank you enough for all your efforts z. My pleasure ona thank you for having the ortho show and bringing these concepts these technologies in these techniques to the audience. You know we're all in it as we say we have one world medical team we might as work l. work together regardless of where we are in the world regardless of where we are our specialization. Because we can only do it together. Well that's word to the gospel. They are. This is the ortho show. And as i said on the lead and we bring you the best of the best in the orthopedic. World and burp. Mandelbaum is absolutely part of that. This is dr scott sigmon. Hashtag follow the fro host of the ortho show till next time.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It's celebrated counted down and reflected on in different ways around the world but with each culture comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty twenty one with this special new year's episode of superstitions for more follow superstitions. Free spotify or wherever you get your podcast enjoy happy new year listeners. We made it. There's finally less than twenty four hours left in the year. Two thousand nine hundred twenty if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murdoch. And this is superstitions a specify original from power cost in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in each episode. We peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns or the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty head on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of the next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill. So maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty twenty off to rule. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face a persona even cronos kala band. Goon bangguo on the knowns father time but all these deeds. He's only there to mosque the truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january. First in the area known as you t. c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere. It was still december. Thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was a foot in london. Beleaguered playwright emily jordan would receive apostle from her irish mother containing a single sprig of toto and a note saying. Please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last-minute groceries. He found himself laying. Low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens and black eyed peas for dinner who was griffin to deny a southern tradition. Father north. america's central hub. For new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers of various sizes. She was once told that noisemakers with scare off evil spirits and in her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out any money to his friends. He saw on a list online that it was bad luck to low now. Money on new year's eve is lonely guaranteed. They'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal luck on the line. For new year's eve is special. It's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity takes a deep breath then walks hand in hand into the future and it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern. He was two hundred miles. South of manhattan having just spent the nights on an icy pond bench in downtown. Baltimore calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington d. c. of the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow rats tightly comforters salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands he checked his phone notifications from social media where plenty his account was anonymous under the handle chomsky's ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more incendiary. Then he could be under his legal name but he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college acquaintance and the only person he knew who had an appointment large enough for couch. Seth sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud. How long do you need to crash always down to business. The two young men hadn't talked much since grants uncle had given him. That ship with jayanti economics right out of college. Unlike calvin he didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returns because hunt valley was an easier place for an entrepreneur than it silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist. Chill but he was a reliable one calvin thought for a moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of hot shower. Was immense kelvin swore. He could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sprawled in front of the tv. The film playing look like some old movie starring. Scott cushing the sort of thing. They used to watch in their dorm together. Hearing calvin enter. Grant looked up. You going to tell me how you wound up. Spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing you know. You're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. The idea grants probably had no idea how well acquainted. Kelvin's is were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to the bathroom. Without pausing his voice echoed out across the porcelain. You have any Plans for the holiday. Stay in stable and don't get arrested. Calvin thought himself but loud he replied not really no. There was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin. Who's scrambled catch it. He raised at tentatively to his ear and spoke. Hello calvin is that you. It's been ages. He knew that voice shirley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped down to college and vanished into thin. Air all these memories came flooding back at her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh nothing much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood. You know there. It was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living her best life while he had spent much of his with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lends itself to romance. But what was new year's eve four if not being a little selfish so surely up to this evening. Have new year's plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Billy diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve. Party his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come plus. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Calvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activist offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights. They say sets the course for personal life in the upcoming year calvin knew more about it than most. Since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants kelvin's grandparents both of whom children of forty eight hours. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they'd always said that if you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking. Calvin turned to hand his phone back. Grazie right the hottest girl from our class just reappears. Out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle asi- he never really went. In for macho crap like competing over a woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Someone was at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too soon as he got a look through the ppo. The entire space was filled by a pair of men in black suits for a moment. He thought they could be evangelists but the stern expressions and lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It had often been said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment. That particular spidey sense. Was tingling had. His old landlord reported him to the cia. Someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learned who posted under the name. Trotskyists ice axe. He crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked. Grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Brandt calvin had to hide. The bathroom was too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen and out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greater shock to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew. The troublemaker calvin hit back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw chilled him. Even more than the frigid winter air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the landing beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing svetlana kouzmine who just celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on another wise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activists was trying his best not to get court men in suits twelve thirty four. pm. Calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She said out at him a toothbrush frozen amid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused then. She cracked opened the window. Where's the fire she asked. I'm nowhere. I'm just it's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange under man. You window ivy skeptical too. I just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer ten minutes. Then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than on. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day. but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody cold and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein din and breathed a sigh of relief. He finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with post shower humidity off to shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. Thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i need. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. Oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. I said it's a long story but you have one grateful. Danzal over here is is fell to a laundry basket to the side Did you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands as if to show. He had not stolen any of her undergarments. He heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it's safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss. Maybe he could schedule a post for later on. The dust had settled and his alter-ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't there. He cursed under his breath. He must've left it and grants apartment. Where either he all. The feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes. Hopefully enough time for the feds have realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window and was halfway through it when he heard the door open behind him. He turned to see his reluctant host holding the door open. Just go out the front. You don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo. Calvin paused and considered how he would sound defeat told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door he passed the kitchen and caught a brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracks the door open and peered through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power calvin had tried to calm his nerves by texting his old college crushed about the upcoming party. In about an hour he'd received five tax from shirley and sent nine not too favourable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hands so soon though. He often clocked grants staring at his own. Phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on like this kelvin made. Some chomsky's is acts posts texted some friends to find another couch crash on. His texts received few responses everyone. It seemed was more occupied. Their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious years she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find luck. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car park across the street nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any and all threats. This one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city. The casual use of baltimore's nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections. Grand called him an uber to the party in federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten thirteen pm. It didn't take long. For calvin to remember how much he hated. Big ponte's the penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies calvin so everything from dinner gowns to skimp fish net tops from black tuxes to atlas chaps. The level of modesty seem to be at the discretion of each particular guest grant was shameless. Glimpse of feminine skin. insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be a relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed. Room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shirley had never shown up as it turns out shirley had been swept off her feet by charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment return. Some misdirected mail calvin had no way of knowing and perhaps sherri didn't either that in the scottish celebration of hogmanay. The first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year. She wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion. Perhaps she get just that. But calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in a party full of obnoxious strangers. The future look like another lonely year for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the bar listening to a woman named gloria about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court his eye in the crowd. It didn't seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebrate. Betray evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused on his disappointments. He'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario. He snatched a discounted wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers twenty twenty and slipped through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down. The streets will the boozy apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartments on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends had pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out of a third story window. A line of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangled the man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier that day amazed. She walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses but she was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her. Rebirth followed. who you running from. You wouldn't believe me if i told you. try me. So he told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him over the same she could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong and his own kind of self deprecating charm. They walked down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine m. They stopped on the street corner. Warm lights from the apartment buildings touched both their faces realizing time. Reba fumbled in her purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near a belltower so would it be the same if you down an equivalent amount of white wine. The color of grape skin determine the color of the wine you know. Oh well excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to grapes. Muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling the first grade between her fingers. Three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to. She caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it. she thought why then she kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and maybe a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see their quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at that very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. It seemed would doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london flat the mistletoe her grandmother center lying forgotten on her kitchen counter griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth found herself in a bar getting hit on by a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss had happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched pad these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time after all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen. Sixty three new york times. report on. New year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities. It reads as the clocks ring outs. The hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence all big and little old and young male and female push into each other's arms and haughty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests niagara. Hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations may be lighter on labial tree than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland use to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. A broken figure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting lead based metal. In your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended. The russian celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favourite an ecuadorian tradition has communities stuffing a scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever food. People grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best before plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future means nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with them bishops resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time be wary of the things. You cannot explain superstitions as spotify original from podcast it is executive produced by max cutler. Sound design by nick johnson with production. Assistance ron shapiro. Cardi maddin and travis clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert stra with writing assistance. By greg castro andrew kelleher fact. Checking by claire cronin and research by adriana gomez. And mickey taylor. I'm alliston murden. Thanks for listening to this special. New year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpack the origins and impacts of our most unusual beliefs and. Hear the stories of those who dare to defy them. Follow the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Free on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts and from all of us here at podcast have a happy new year.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

Serial Killers

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It's celebrated counted down and reflected on different ways around the world but with each cultured comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty. Twenty one with the special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind humanity's strangest codes of conduct. Listen to superstitions free on spotify over ever get your podcasts happy new year listeners. We made it. There's finally less than twenty four hours left in the year twenty twenty. If you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murden. And this is superstitions a specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in episode we peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns all the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty head on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill so maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty after rule. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face a persona. Even cronos carla banged goon. Bang rune the knowns father time all these deeds he's only there to moscow truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area as you t c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london. Beleaguered playwrights. Emily jordan would receive a parcel from her. I wish mother containing a single sprig of mistletoe and a note saying please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last minute. Groceries found himself laying low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens and black eyed peas for dinner who was griffin to deny a southern tradition. Farther north america's central hub for new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers of various sizes. She was once told that noise makers with scare off evil spirits and in her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out to his friends. He saw on listing online. That it was bad luck too low. Now money new year's eve it lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal luck on the line. For new year's eve is special. It's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity takes a deep breath then walks hand in hand into the future and it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern he was two hundred miles. South of manhattan. Having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown. Baltimore calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist he had spent so much time in washington. Dc over the last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wraps tightly in comforters. Salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands. He checked his phone. Notifications from social media were plenty. His account was anonymous under the handle trot. Skis ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more incendiary than he could be under his legal name but he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today he was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college sense and the only person he knew who had an apartment lodge enough for a couch surfer. Sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud how long do you need to crash. Always down to business. The two young men hadn't talked much since grants uncle had given him. That internship with on right out of college unlike calvin. He didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returned because hunt valley was an easier place for an entrepreneur than it's silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist schill. But he was a reliable one calvin thought from moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of hot shower. Was immense kelvin. Swore he could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grants sproule in front of the tv. The film playing like some old b. Movies starring scott cushing. The sort of thing. They used to watch their dorm together. Hearing calvin enter grant looked up. You're going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing you know. You're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He'd had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. the idea. grants probably had no idea how well acquainted kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to the bathroom without pausing his voice echoes down to cross the porcelain. You have any Plans for the holiday. Stay in stable and don't get arrested. Calvin thought himself dow loud he replied no. That was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin who scrambled to catch it. He raised it tentatively. His ear and spoke. Hello kelvin. is that you it's age. Is he knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped out of college and vanished into thin air. All these memories came flooding back at her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh nothing much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that. Been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood you know ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living her best life while he had spent much of his twenty s with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance but what was new year's e four if not being a little selfish so surely what are you up to. This evening have plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Believe diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come plus. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Kelvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activist offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights they say sets the course for mandic personal life in the upcoming year calvin knew more about it than most since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants. Kelvin's grandparents both of whom were children of forty eight. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin turn to hand his phone back. Grazie right the hottest girl from our class just reappears. Out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle aside. He never really went. In for macho crap like competing over woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Some was at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too. Soon as he got a through the peephole the entire space was filled by a pair of men in black suits for a moment. He thought they could be evangelists at the stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment. That particular spidey sense. Was tingling had. His old landlord reported him to the cia. Had someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learned who posted under the name is ice. Axe he crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Brandt calvin had to hide the bathrooms too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen and out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greater shocked to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew this. Troublemaker calvin pared back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw him even more than the frigid winter. Air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the lending beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing. Svetlana kouzmine celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on another wise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activists was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four pm. Calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She stood out at him a toothbrush frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused. Then she cracked open the window whereas the fire she asked. I'm nowhere just. It's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange unaddressed. Man you window. I fy skeptical to just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer Ten minutes then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day. but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody code and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin and nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein in and breathed a sigh of relief he finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with post shower humidity after shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. I'm thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i need. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. Oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said. I don story but you have one grateful danzal over here. His is fell to a laundry basket to the side. I'm did you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite her not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands. As if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss that maybe he could schedule a post for later. When the dust had settled and his alter ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't there. He cursed onto his breath. He must have left it in grants apartment. Where either he or feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes hopefully enough time for the feds. We've realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window halfway through it. When he heard the door open behind him he turned to see his reluctant host holding the door open. Just go out the front. You don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin pasta and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door he passed her kitchen and caught a brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peered through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure my name is calvin. It was nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power. Calvin had tried to calm his nerves by texting his old college crush about the upcoming party. In about an hour he received five texts from shelley and sent nine not so favorable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hand so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on like this. Kelvin made some trotskyists. Ice axe posts texted some friends to find another couch. Crash on his texts received few responses. Everyone it seemed more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious year she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find lock. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any and all ominous threats. This one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city. The casual use of baltimore's nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party in federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten. Thirteen pm it didn't take long for calvin to remember how much he hated. Big ponte's the penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw everything from dinner gowns to skimpy fish-net tops. From black tuxes to ask this. Chap's the level of modesty seemed to be at the discretion of each particular guest. Grant was shameless. Ogling every glimpse of feminine skin insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turned out shelly had been swept off her feet by a charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and baps. Shelly didn't either. That in the scottish celebration of hogmanay the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year she wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion and perhaps she would get just that but calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in a party full of obnoxious strangers. The future look like another lonely years for him famous online radical devoting all of his time uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the ball listening to a woman named gloria rant about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court his eye in the crowd. Ten seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebratory tree. Evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused. On his disappointment he'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario he snatched discarded wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers. Twenty twenty and slips through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down the street toward the buji apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends had pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out a third story window align of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet. Above the pavement dangle. The man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier that day amazed she walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses but she was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her. Rebirth followed. who you running from. H- you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Try me so. He told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him over the same. She could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong and his own kind of self deprecating chom. They walked and talk down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine. They stopped on a street corner. Warm lights from the apartment buildings touched their faces realizing the time revolt fumbled in purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near belltower so would it be the same if you down. Equivalent amount of white wine. The color of grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. You know oh well. Excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him. Playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to her great muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling in first grade between her fingers. Three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to. She caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it. she thought one she kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and may be a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see their quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at that very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. It seemed doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth. Altman found himself in a bar getting hit on by a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen. Sixty three new york times report on. New year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities. It reads as the clocks ring outs. The hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence. Ooh big little old young male and female push into each other's arms and hearty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests. Niagara hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations maybe lighter on label musketry than previous years. Perhaps says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it's truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland used to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. Abro configure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting. Lead based metal in your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favorite an ecuadorian. Tradition has community stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever. Ford people grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best before plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future meets nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with them vicious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time. Be wary of the things you cannot explain. Superstitions is a spotify original from power cost. it is executive produced by max cutler sound designed by nick johnson with production assistance by ron shapiro. Cardi maddin and clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert teamster with writing assistance by greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and researched by adrian gomez and mickey taylor. I'm alice timid. And thanks for listening to the special. New year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpacked the origins and impacts are most unusual beliefs and hear the stories of those who dare to defy them followed the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Free on spotify. or wherever. You get your podcasts.

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

Political Scandals

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Superstitions Special: New Years Eve Festivities

"It celebrated counted down and reflected on in different ways around the world but with each culture comes varying beliefs and traditions. You never knew existed. We hope you enjoy ringing in twenty twenty one with this special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday step inside stories that illustrate the horror weirdness and truth behind. Humanity's strangest codes of conduct listened to superstitions. freon spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Happy new year listeners. We made it as finely less than twenty four hours left in the year. Twenty twenty if you're just joining us. Welcome i'm alistair murden. And this is superstitions a specify original from podcast in this podcast we use short stories to explore the ways in which human beings interact with luck and fate in each episode we peel back the layers of mystery surrounding peculiar rituals totems and practices. Today's episode is a very special one. C. you may not believe in santa claus leprechauns all the easter bunny. But new year's eve is the one holiday where everyone becomes a little superstitious because the future is uncertain and new year's eve is when we take a moment out of our lives to face that uncertainty ahead on according to cultures around the world. What you do on new year's eve will determine the trajectory of the next three hundred and sixty five days for good and ill. So maybe don't relax on this last day of twenty twenty after rule. A whole new year is at stake coming up. We'll see some practices from people around the globe and hope none of them drop the bowl. Time never stops it. Never waits never stand still for anyone throughout human history. We've given it to name a face. A persona even cronos carla band. Goon bang rune the knowns five time all these deeds. He's only there to moscow the truth. That time is the one thing that will remain forever out of human control when our story starts time is running out all over the world. It was already january first in the area known as ut c. plus fourteen the earliest time zone on planet earth but in the western hemisphere it was still december thirty first and all manner of hustling and bustling was afoot in london. Beleaguered playwrights. Emily jordan would receive a parcel from her irish mother containing a single sprig of mistletoe. And a note. Saying please put this under your pillow when you go to sleep tonight. Emily knew what this charm was supposed to mean. It was a way to ensure a single woman found romance in the new year in atlanta georgia griffin. The hair murphy was also rushing out for some last minute groceries. He found himself laying. Low the business partner darius who insisted they have collard greens and black eyed peas for dinner who was griffin to deny southern tradition. Farther north america's central hub for new year's new york city was teeming with activity there. Ruth oltman gathered dozens and dozens of confetti poppers and blowers various sizes. She was once told that. Noise makers would scare off evil spirits and then her haunted brooklyn apartment complex. She wouldn't take any chances at the same time in midtown manhattan. A man named thatcher refused to loan out to his friends. He saw listing online. That it was bad luck to low now. Money on new year's eve it lonely guarantee they'll keep coming back to you for the rest of the year. Each of these individuals was engaged in a different superstitious ritual. They followed wildly different rules. That had originated in different parts of the globe yet. They all had the same purpose to ensure good fortune of one form or another in the coming year. What none of these people realized indeed. What very few people understand is that it wasn't just their personal lock on the line. For new year's eve is special it's a gateway in time a moments when all humanity a deep breath then walks hand-in-hand into the future. And it's in moments like these that anything can happen while these men and women were busy. Shoring up luck for the new year. One man was simply focused on getting through the day. His name was calvin basta and at seven thirty in the morning eastern. He was two hundred miles. South of manhattan having just spent the nights on an icy park bench in downtown baltimore. Calvin wasn't used to waking up in the bitter cold but circumstances had forced his hand a passionate political activist. He had spent so much time in washington. Dc last year that he forgotten to check when his lease expired so that he was sitting in the snow wraps tightly encompasses salvaged from his old apartment with freezing hands. He checked his phone. Notifications from social media were plenty. His account was anonymous under the handle. Trotsky is ice axe under this name. He was both more popular and more than he could be under his legal name. But he wasn't looking for social media validation this morning today. He was looking for a text from grant halcion an old college acquaintance and the only person he knew who had an apartment large enough for couch. Seth sure enough there. It was a curt. Hi bud. How long do you need to crash always down to business. The two young men hadn't taught much since uncle had given him. That internship with jayanti right out of college unlike calvin. He didn't return to baltimore for altruistic reasons he returned because hunt valley was an easy place for an entrepreneur than it's silicon counterpart out west. At least that's what people said. Grant may be a centrist schill. But he was a reliable one calvin thought from moment and tactfully replied just the night nine. Am the relief of a hot shower. Was immense kelvin. Swore he could almost feel his skin cracking from the sudden change in temperature and like all good things. It was over too soon. He stepped out into the living room to find grant sproule in front of the tv. The film playing like some old b. Movies starring scott cushing. The sort of thing. They used to watch their dorm together. Hearing calvin inte- grant you going to tell me how you wound up spending the night at druid hill. Oh you know how it is. A man goes out for a night of drinks next thing. You know you're lisa's expired. And you're at the mercy of the elements grant laughed and shook his head pityingly. You're lucky security. Didn't catch you or the police kelvin's gut tightened. He had enough close calls with police in the last twelve months that he couldn't just laugh off. The idea grants probably had no idea how well acquainted. Kelvin's eyes were with military grade pepper spray. If his nervousness showed grant gave no sign he was up on his feet and heading to bathroom. without pausing his voice echoed out across the porcelain. You have any Plans for the holiday. Stay in stable. And don't get arrested. Calvin thought tim self doubt loud he replied not really no. There was a long pause and then grants reappeared a roguish grin on his face. Speak of the devil. Answer this for me. He tossed his phone to calvin who scrambled to catch it. He raised at tentatively his ear and spoke. Hello kelvin. is that you it's age. Is he knew that voice shelley mcnamara another of their old friends from college in fact she had been one of his closest friends and almost more before she had dropped out of college and vanished into thin air. All these memories came flooding back her greeting calvin stammered to catch up. What have you been up to in the last eight years. Oh no much. Just seeing the world experiencing life boring stuff like that been living a dessert. I kind of adulthood. You know ferret was the thing that kept the two of them opponent. She had always been more about living best life while he had spent much of his twenties with his head buried in some cause or another hardly an attitude that lent itself to romance but what was new year's e four if not being a little selfish so surely what are you up to this evening. Have new year's plans actually. That's just what i was calling grant about. Billy diamond is hosting a huge new year's eve party in his place in federal hill. You should definitely come and be my plus one plus twos whatever. You should come plus. I haven't yet decided whom i knew us kiss is going to be calvin barely had time to stammer and essent before she hung up. Calvin was a romantic at heart. It was what drove him to activism in the first place but while the life of an activist offered a good sheriff flings he often found himself lonely so when i say that this flotation from an old crush felt like destiny to calvin no. I'm not exaggerating. A kiss at the stroke of midnights they say sets the course for mandic personal life in the upcoming year calvin knew more about it than most since the tradition was popularized by german american immigrants. Kelvin's grandparents both of whom were children of forty eight hours. Germans who emigrated following the failed revolution of eighteen forty eight. Never let him forget that and they always said that. If you missed your midnight. Kiss you might. As well have spent the night at home you would remain alone for the rest of the year. Grant was already speaking as calvin tons to hand his phone. Back grazie right. The hottest girl from our class reappears out of the blue apparently still single somehow. Sometimes i can't believe my own luck. Calvin had to stifle cy. He never really went in for macho crap like eating over woman as if life was a season of the bachelorette but grant had a way of bringing out that kind of behavior noon. Someone was at the door on instinct. Calvin rose to answer it but stopped too. Soon as he got a look through the people the entire space was filled by a pair of men. In black suits for a moment he thought they could be evangelists but the stern expressions in lack of pamphlets quickly dispelled that idea. It often being said that. Calvin baxter had a sixth sense for feds and in this moment that particular spidey sense was tingling had. His old landlord reported him to the cia. Had someone finally hacked his social media accounts and learn who posted under the name trotsky skis ice axe. He crept away from the door as quietly as he could but almost immediately he clocked. Grant making a beeline for the door. There would be no dissuading. Grant calvin had to hide the bathrooms too obvious but so was the enormous bedroom. No time to dress for the weather. He bolted across the living room through the kitchen. And out onto the fire escape. The cold outside was an even greats a shock to calvin without his layers of blankets. He huddled by the window and waited listening as intently as he could. Muffled voices was that his name he heard. Were they asking if he knew this. Troublemaker calvin pared back in hoping to country glimpse of the fed's leaving what he saw him even more than the frigid winter. Air grant was leading the men into the kitchen chatting jovially with them. Calvin scrambled away from the window and down floor to the lending beneath. He heard the window above him. Slide open and then heavy footsteps coming out onto the platform. He had been on a moment earlier. Whoever these men in black were they would find him and he'd spend the new year in jail coming up. Calvin makes an unexpected new year's resolution now back to the story around the world new year's eve parties were beginning. The russian festival of novi got was already in full swing sped lana kouzmine who just celebrated her seventy eighth birthday had gotten off the phone with her sister irena. She'd wanted to be put in touch with her american granddaughter. Penny but no luck. One of many small disappointments on otherwise delightful holiday. Meanwhile back in america a young political activists was trying his best not to get caught by mysterious men in suits twelve thirty four m. calvin baxter was trapped huddled at the bottom of a fire escape waiting for the agents to realize he couldn't have gone far. He pressed up against the window pane behind him and felt a strange tapping at his back. He looked over his shoulder. The window looked into a modestly sized bathroom in. it stood a young woman in a bathrobe. She stood out at him a toothbrush frozen mid scrub she blinked. He blinked back equally confused. Then she cracked open the window whereas the fire she ost. I'm nowhere and just it's a very long story. Can you let me inside for just a minute. No okay fair I'm a strange man at you window. I fy skeptical to just need. He looked back up the fire escape and mentally said a prayer ten minutes. Then you'll never see me again. You can lock the door if you want this woman who was only a year older than our dear. Mr baxter was reasonably wary of any man who appeared at a window in the middle of the day but something about calvin reassured her. It could be that the scrawny man didn't look like he posed a threat to anyone or it could have been that he just looks so bloody cold and she felt like being charitable whenever the case she unbolted. The window swept out of the bathroom and locked the door behind her. Giving calvin a nice private chamber to escape into calvin klein and breathed a sigh of relief. He finally could relax. The bathroom was warm and thick with post shower humidity after shutting the window behind himself. He strode over to the door and cleared his throat to speak to her through the wall. I'm thank you random woman. You have no idea how much i need. That rescue her muffled voice answered from the other side. Oh it was a rescue was it. I didn't think any of my neighbors were wanted fugitives. Like i said. I don story but you have one grateful. Danzal over here is is fell to a laundry basket to the side. I'm did you mean to leave your underwear and here. He heard her curse from the hallway. Then she snapped. Don't even think about it. I wasn't thinking about whatever you think i'm thinking about. I'm on the other side of the room. Despite her not being able to see him. Calvin put up both his hands. As if to show he had not stolen any of her undergarments when he heard nothing from the other side. He continued if it helps. I'm just going to stay in the corner on my phone until it safe for me. Leave okay calvin reached for his pocket. It'd be foolish to post on social media about this near miss that maybe he could schedule post for later when the dust had settled and his alter ego could taunt the feds with impunity. His phone wasn't he cursed under his breath. He must have left it in grants apartment. Where either he or the feds could easily pick it up. He checked his watch. It had been ten minutes hopefully enough time for the feds. We've realized grant was as clueless as they were. Calvin could head back now. Hey you. I appreciate the asylum. I'm going to head back upstairs. He made his way to the window halfway through it. When he heard the door open behind him he turned to see his reluctant host holding the door open. Just go out the front. Don't have to leave through the window like a weirdo calvin post and considered how he would sound. If he told her that he actually preferred going through the window to avoid attention then decided against it. He smiled at her politely as he passed and tried his best to keep his eyes forward as he went for the door. He passed her kitchen and cool to brief glimpse of twelve. Green grapes on a plate but wisely didn't comment on it. He cracked the door open and peer through coast clear. He turned around to thank the woman again but she spoke. I i swear to god damsel if you thanked me one. More time. i'm going to vomit. Just get outta here okay. sure My name is calvin nice to meet you. The door slammed okay. Calvin thought i could have been a little less weird there. Four thirty pm. Calvin was safely back in grants department. Granted told him that the men who visited were just some guys from water and power calvin had tried to calm his nerves texting his old college crush about the upcoming party. In about an hour he received five texts from shelley and sent nine not so favorable ratio but he held onto hope in each of her delayed responses. He could detect a glimmer of the fire they had in college. He told himself to be patient. He would see her at the party. No need to overplay his hands so soon though he often clocked grant staring at his own phone with the self satisfied smile on his face like he was thinking the same thing. The day went on like this. Kelvin made some trotskyists. Ice axe posts texted some friends to find another couch. Crash on his texts received few responses. Everyone it seemed more occupied with their new year's eve rituals like the woman who had given him shelter earlier that day. Her name was reba soto and she had no plans to go out that night. She had experienced a number of new year's kisses and not just with men either that this wasn't the superstition. She was putting her faith in this year. She was a fairly practical minded woman. She worked in accounting after all. But after the atrocious year she had she figured it was the time to use every tool she had available so to speak. She had both a plan. A and plan b for setting a good precedent. Twelve green grapes for the stroke of midnight and red underwear to signify romance in the new year according to her spanish and mexican parents. You didn't need to go out to find lock. It could be found just as easily at home eight pm. Calvin saw dark car parked across the street. Nearly invisible in the night it was parked in a red zone but wasn't moving like the ghost of a car that had been towed ages ago. Calvin said those two men who stopped by earlier. Who were they again. Grant shrugged some. Irs people who are looking for the last ten and i think nine pm calvin received a concerning message on social media normally. He shrugged off any and all ominous threats that this one was concerning it read simply they know you're at chom city. The casual use of baltimore's nickname worried calvin. Perhaps going to the party might be the best way to remain anonymous for the night. Ten pm over kelvin's objections grant called him an uber to the party and federal hill as they drove past the dark car calvin pulled up the color of his winter coat to hide his face ten. Thirteen pm it didn't take long for calvin to remember how much he hated big parties. The penthouse apartment was full to bursting with people. There was no dress code in the massive bodies. Calvin saw dinner gowns to skimpy fish-net tops from black tuxes to this chaps. The level of modesty seemed to be at the discretion of each particular guest. Grant was shameless. Ogling every glimpse of feminine skin insight. I love new year's eve. He bellowed as he made for the open bar. Calvin breathed a sigh of relief at being rid of his annoying friend. He was going to find shirley. If nothing else it will be relief to find a familiar face in the mob but he could not find her after fruitless searching through every jam packed room of this building. Calvin learned the truth. Shelly had never shown up as it turned out shelly had been swept off her feet by a charming red headed neighbor who swung by her apartment to return some misdirected mail. Calvin had no way of knowing and baps surely didn't either that in the scottish celebration of hug manet the first person who enters your home after the stroke of midnight is supposed to set the tone for the new year she wanted another year full of traveling whirlwind passion and perhaps she would get just that but calvin would never know. All calvin new in the moment was that he was alone in a party full of obnoxious strangers. The future looked like another lonely year for him famous online radical devoting all of his time to uphill battles against systems of oppression an outcast in both his personal and public life. He poured himself a drink. Eleven thirty pm. Time was running out. Calvin sent by the ball listening to a woman named gloria rant about how she was forced out of a great job when suddenly a familiar sight court. His is in the crowd. It didn't seem possible. After all the expectations he built up for a free and celebrate tree evening that the men in suits had managed to follow them here. The square shoulders and black suits were impossible to mistake amid the rising young bodies on the dance floor. Calvin had been so focused on his disappointments. He'd forgotten to properly scout for exits in the worst case scenario he snatched discarded wig off a nearby table and a pair of massive glasses shaped like the numbers twenty twenty and slipped through the crowd as nimbly as he could the had to be some escape. Eleven forty seven pm reba. Soto walked down the street toward the buji apartment complex in the end. She hadn't spent new year's eve watching the apartment on tv and eating green grapes of midnight. Some friends had peer pressured her into going out but as she drew closer to the raucous building she hesitated. Maybe this wasn't the way to ring in the new year after all and then she saw a strange sight out of a third story window align of sheets hung towards the sidewalk and at the very end of the sheet. Maybe eight feet above the pavement dangled the man who had introduced himself as calvin earlier. That day amazed. She walked over and hovered below the dangling. Man he was wearing an ill fitting wig and stupid glasses. She was certain it was him. Do you just have a fetish for hanging out of people's windows startled. Calvin very nearly lost his grip. He swung dangerously before grabbing a hold of a nearby owning and lowering himself. Down once he had righted himself he said. I just commit to my irish exits. Now if you'll excuse me. He began a brisk yet slightly unsteady. Walk down the street curiosity getting the better of her. Rebirth followed. who you running from. H- you wouldn't believe me if i told you. Try me so. He told her and she didn't believe him but she kept walking with him all the same she could tell he wasn't too dangerous paranoid. Whoever this strange man was he had a clear sense of right and wrong. And his own kind of self deprecating chum. They walked and talk down the deserted streets. Him still clearly agitated and her seeing where the evening went. Eleven fifty nine pm. They stopped on the street corner. A warm lights from the apartment buildings touched both their faces realizing the time. Reba fumbled in her purse and produced a plastic bag of twelve green grapes. What's that about you eat one for each month that the new year. It's supposed to be on every time the bell. But we're not near belltower so would it be the same if you down. Equivalent amount of white wine. The color of a grape skin doesn't determine the color of the wine. you know. Oh well excuse my lack of breeding reba cuffed him playfully over the head with her purse then turned back to her grapes. Muffled voices from the adjacent buildings began the countdown five. She unzips the bag four. She began rolling the first grade between her fingers. Three she called a look in kelvin's is there was something sad but kind in them to. She caught a glimpse of adarkar rounding the corner. Screw it. she thought one she kissed him. I wouldn't want to spoil the moments by saying whether there was any true romance behind this kiss. There was passion sure and may be a bit of pity but no desperation by sheer happenstance. This trick that only worked in the movies wound up working. For calvin baxter that night the agents. Whoever they were didn't see the quarry behind ribas tangle of black hair. Her bag of grapes fell and spilled on the sidewalk. One superstition abandoned in favor of another at very moment across the world. New year's was coming to a close for many and lucky traditions. At seend were doomed to go awry. Emily jordan was already fast asleep in her london. Flat the mistletoe. Her grandmother sent her lying forgotten on her kitchen counter. Griffin murphy crouched in an alleyway in atlanta waiting for police to pass. His grocery run had turned sour when someone had recognized him from a previous job. Darius would have to go without his lucky new year's dinner as the ball dropped in new york city ruth altman found herself in a bar getting hit on a dude named thatcher. He wound up paying for all her drinks. Something he would spend the rest of the year doing for disinterested women and back in baltimore. Neither calvin nor reba realized that their kiss happened a split second after midnight so by the rules of the superstition. The kiss shouldn't have counted toward good luck in the new year. Whether by coincidence or fate these rituals had been botched had these people in their own separate ways seal their fates for the year to come. We can't really be sure but time after all is relative so maybe luck is to an eighteen sixty three new york times. Report on year's festivities gives us one of the earliest modern references to the new year's kiss in an account of german-american festivities it reads as the clocks reading the hour of midnights. All this festivity pauses for a moment to listen and as the last stroke dies into silence all big and little old young male and female push into each other's arms and hearty kisses go round like rows of labial musketry with the exclamation protests niagara hail the new year while today's quarantine celebrations may be lighter on labial musketry than previous years. Babb says no better time to remember. Why good luck is so key to new year's eve whether it truly exists or not believing in good luck is how we fortify ourselves for the future these practices therefore cannot be frivolous they are how ancestors prepare themselves to face another year full of trials and challenges with luck and besides a lot of the traditions are just plain fun families. In finland use to melt down a tin horseshoe and dunk the molten metal into water. The shape it assumes will be an omen for the new year for instance smooth shapes tend to mean good fortune and wealth. A configure tends to mean bad. This practice was discouraged in recent years due to the health. Risks of smelting. Lead based metal in your home. People were encouraged to use beeswax instead so it appears the practice always had bad luck built in just not in the way it's original practitioners intended the russians celebration of novi got encourages people to write down their wishes for the new year on a piece of paper. Burn the paper and then mix it into the champagne. They drink for the new year and my personal favorite an ecuadorian. Tradition has community stuffing scarecrow with newspapers from the preceding year and then setting it on fire. I mean come on who wouldn't want to burn twenty twenty in effigy all these beliefs. No matter how eccentric speaks to a common thread in the human spirit time marches ever food. People grow old and die and life never stops changing even when we wanted to stand still in our happiest moments in its own way. New years is the one day we get to freeze time to take a deep breath and hope for the best plunging back into daily life. It's where optimism for the future means nostalgia for the past or it's a chance to set an impossible bar for yourself with ambitious resolutions. Thanks again for listening to superstitions. We will be back in the new year. You can find more episodes of superstitions and all other spotify originals from podcast for free on spotify until next time be wary of the things. You cannot explain superstitions a spotify original from power cost it is executive produced by max cutler sound designed by nick johnson with production assistant. Spiro shapiro carly maddin and travis clark. This episode of superstitions was written by robert teamster with writing assistance by greg castro and andrew kelleher fact checking by claire cronin and research by adrian gomez and mickey taylor. I'm alison murden. Thanks for listening to this. Special new year's episode of superstitions every wednesday unpack the origins and that's of our most unusual beliefs and hear the stories of those who dare to defy them. Follow the spotify original from podcast superstitions. Freon spotify or wherever you get your podcasts and from all of us here at podcast we wish you a very happy new year.

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