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Danielle Bays, Humane Society of the United States
"You tuned in minicabs podcast writing. Let's go welcome to the community cats. Podcast I'm your host Stacey Lebaron. I've been involved helping homeless cats for over twenty years with the Merrimack River Feline Rescue Society. The goal of this podcast is to expose you to amazing. People were improving the lives of cats. I hope these interviews will help you learn how you can turn your passion for cats into action today. We are with our good friend Daniel Bays from the humane society of the United States. Danielle is the senior analyst for Cat Protection and policy. And she's been a guest on the community cats podcast many many times. So if you WANNA find out about her background please go to the show notes at community. Cats PODCAST DOT COM and we'll have links to all the past episodes that she has been on but Danielle. Welcome to the show today. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. So first and foremost of course. Podcasts HAVE TO BE NUMBER ONE IN MY mind. I want to congratulate you on a wonderful podcast episode for the Humane Society of the United States. New podcast which I believe is called humane voices. How did you enjoy being on their show? I liked it. It was a fun experience. 'cause I got to be there in person with the hosts and I made a lot of jokes but I don't know that they make the final episode so it was lovely. I love podcast with a big fan of them. Glad to see more and more of them talking about cadwell. I was impressed to see that. Has decided to put some resources into podcasting so welcome you and the other folks who are intimately involved in the podcast to the podcasting world for animal welfare. So it's great. I'm supportive of all folks doing tied casting the more for us to listen to the better off. We're all going to be so Danielle before we jump into talking about policy issues. What's going on around the country? I know you have expo coming up and I didn't know if you wanted to share some details about where it's going to be when it is and what's happening. Yeah it's going to be in San Antonio Texas this year. It's a first time breastfeeding your. I'm really excited at the Convention Center which is raped by the Alamo and I understand there's cat graves at the Alamo from their community cats. They've had there in the past so there's a nice little cat tourism going on but we have a whole cats track expos going around for. May Sixty nine and we have a whole track devoted to cats we're gonNA covers. Tr WE'RE GONNA COVER BEHAVIOR. We're GONNA cover kitten a lot of great stuff. It starts out with a whole day long session on cat behavior and that is going to be presented by Andrew. Doernen from town antibiotic Assira who you will have on your cat behavior day. Yes just happened once his ears. So they're gonNA talk about those really hard to adopt cats. Some of the older shy cats some of the older kittens that came in for maybe a feral colony or not quite social. But you can see the potential in them so they're gonNA do a really fun interactive day long learning lab about that and I'm super excited and then for the regular programming. We have several she. In our programs that are highlighted including the program in a Portland. A lot of people here about the Karen Kraushaar. Bob Salinger's clam in the cat wild if Nakano tour this time. Kieran and the Kenan their medical director are going to talk about their actual t in our program and how they work with the community. They're stay neuter clinic to really work on reducing the population of cats outside and then kind of another part of the country. We're GONNA hear from Nadia Novick. Who is from Mount Humane in Idaho about how they really engaged community in kind of do heads for lifestyle outreach program for tr? I've had a lot of great success. So that's kind of a much less populated rural area versus Portland which is more urban center. So there's a lot for everyone and then of course you're going to be doing. A couple of workshops unranked awesome community cat coordinator of so many more shelters are hiring people to focus on their community cap program. So what does that mean? What does that look like? And then the community Cap Pyramid which I really think is a new way that we need to be thinking. And I'm hoping that we'll have a lot of shelters attend that and really reassess the way that they're putting resources into cat issues so that's really exciting. I'm going to be doing more talk about policy with our state director. Brian Hackett from Jersey. He is more of a cat guy than I am. A Cat Lady so. I'm really excited for us to appear together and talk about how to get local ordinances. Get your elected officials involved. How to build coalitions locally so that should be really fun. Expect a lot of cap humor in Addis Well on Kittens the national kitten coalition will be. They're talking about a kittens Developmental Journey. And then the folks from the million cat challenge have a whole array of different shelters talking about some of the different kitten programs that they have found successful. And I would be remiss if I didn't mention that we're also going to have Jackson Galaxy. The Camp Daddy talking about why we must be cat now and it's really important to focus on cats and cat behavior so it should be really really exciting program. I hope people will be able to come. Registration is open on site. So it's never too late to sign up that's fantastic. That's a great lineup. In thank you so much to each issue as for allowing me to share some. I fought around various topics. I am very passionate about the community Cap Pyramid and at HSS us. We're going to have some give aways. We're going to have some posters where you can put your own logo on the flyers and possibly some t shirts even so we have some grand plans to make sure that a Reno's with community kept pyramid is all about. I can't wait for it's GonNa be fun and I have actually never been to Texas other than I have flown through Dallas once. So it'll be great to see a part of Texas so for me. It'll be an adventure. So yeah let's move onto. Our policy are jeopardy game of policy to a certain degree but it seems like at this point in time there is one major hot topic going on all around the country with lots of positive movement and momentum. And I'd like you to share that with us today. Get your claws out. It's declining declining. Has Been An issue for folks in the cat community for a long time since last year when New York state became the first state in the US to enact a statewide ban on non therapeutic decline in is really taken off. And I WANNA give a shout out to the pop project which has been a huge advocate in this realm and really done so much education with the public with veterinarians with legislators met now are saying there should be a dozen states at least with declawed bills. This year and states. That were the bill had just kind of sat there last year are already moving. Having more hearings there's momentum. Legislators are coming forward wanting to introduce a bill on their own. It's not one of those issues where you have to go out and find legislators sponsor bills they are doing it proactively. Which is really exciting yet. Do you think that the reason there's this? Momentum and action is because of New York passing the ban legislatively. I think that that's kind of the tipping point. We seen policies for different entities evolve over time. There are a lot of medical organizations. That are supportive obviously are Humane Society Veterinary Medical Association has been opposed to decline along. The American Association of Feeling Practitioners is opposed to decline recently of seeing Banfield that hospitals which operate across the country in the petsmarts. Mostly they now are no longer doing decline so this is a major shift in our thinking about how cats used their claws and why they use their claws and why they should keep them and it's not just something that we can leave to individuals to make that decision one thing. That really surprised me when I was learning about. This is that the Avian May estimates about twenty. Five percent of cats are declawed. Wow that's amazing. I can't believe does that many cats. That are getting declawed anymore. Yeah I thought that was really surprising. It doesn't take that many that nearly still doing declined because if one veterinarian in a community is doing decline they can do all that business. It's not like if a whole bunch of the vets don't that it's going to have the same kind of reduction so if there's an actual law prohibiting at we're GonNa make more of a difference than simply through education. Unfortunately that's the case here so with regards to you know. There's the statewide initiative citywide initiatives and then association wide initiatives. If there's somebody out there who's really interested in getting involved in this issue finding out more how to help. Where would you recommend that they turn the? Us has a state director in nearly every state. And we don't actually have a person in a state. We have a person who covers the state so I would suggest anyone who's interested in following up with legislation on the state level even the local level to reach out to their hsen State Director. And you can reach them easily by email. Just say right the name of your state at Humane Society Dot. Org so you had mentioned when we were chatting before we hit the record button that you have a new community guide for municipal officials coming out. What is that about? Yeah this is a update and revision of publication. We've had alice managing community cats guide for elected municipal officials and it really outlines why municipalities should be concerned about humanity cats and what our policies looks at all the things that don't work that we often see a lot of times. When policymakers have a cat issue that get complaints in other knee? Jerk reaction is to remove the cats or band feeding of the cats. Is they think that will just solve the problem. So this document outlines those things that don't work but also the things that you're like June. Tr having programs to address keeping cats in homes in families. And why they should embrace those instead. It has some scientific information studies. It has data from different shelters to show. How doing these humane programs have reduced complaints reduced cats coming into shelters. So it's kind of like your one stop guide to hand to your legislators to help them understand the issue so it's been out of print for about a year. We've done some updating and revising it at its new information and it is going to be hot off the presses when the show airs excellent. We'll make sure we get linked to that in the show notes along with the other guy that you are well known for which is the return to field guide that you did with Brian and visit with Karen or just Bryan. Bryan Curtis Susan Richmond and Karen. Little he has and that's also available on the H. S. US website to yes. You can find all of our resources or cats. The municipal guide elected officials the return to feel handbooks mother. Flowers as well as information on animal. Care Expo at animal sheltering dot. Org said that's the humane citing the United States website that is focused on the shelter or rescue community and provides lots of resources for those folks out in the field. Who are working on these issues. Fantastic fantastic say goodbye scooping. Say hello to a better litterbox introducing kitty sift the eco-friendly waterproof litterbox made of recycled cardboard. Just lift sift and reuse. See It on Amazon or go to KITTY SIFT DOT COM and use coupon code. Podcast for fifteen percent off route. You already know that capturing an editing video of your animals is important to your social media strategy facebook instagram. And even Pathfinder all allow you to embed videos to bring more attention to your life saving work but how can you easily get videos from your staff and volunteers into a place where you can use it? Check out rescue tube where they've simplified the process of getting your videos and photos together in one place. Here's how it works. 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Sahar who you've also had on the show before about ten. Our policy and decline as well and that conference is really focused on legislation and policy in. Its followed up the Monday after the weekend with the lobby day with organize visits to your representatives so really excited to include more information in that conference. Oh that sounds like a fun weekend in the summertime hot DC gear. You know. It's a right of passage right. GotTa earn your keep. That's for sure. And I would be remiss in having an interview with you and not mentioned. Dc. Can't count which we have referenced several times before on the show but for folks that might be turning into the first episode here. Would you be willing to share with us? What IS THE DC CAC? Count Project where we're at with that right now. Sure yet. So the DC CAC count is a project that just? Us's working on along with the humane rescue alliance. Which is the main shelter in Washington? Dc The ASPCA petsmart charities and a bunch of really smart academics who are helping us all figure out a way to count cats and we talk about how effective our community cap programs are. We always based on secondary metrics comedy. Cats are coming into the shelter. How many surgeries we've done. Because we haven't had a really easy way to figure out how many cats are are actually outside which also is a challenge for trying to figure out how many surgeries we need to do like. How many cats do we need to? Dnr I WANNA do any to touch before we can make a difference so what this project is doing is looking at some different methodologies using some more complex things more expensive intensive things with cameras and some simple really logistically feasible methodologies that involve like walking around and looking for cats and validating that scientifically. So were in your to just finished up two of our research in April. We will be launching the third year of fieldwork and so we're looking at outdoor cat populations as well as own cats and cats in the shelter taking all that data together. So we will. Hopefully everything's looking good so far Be Able to share some easy ways that people in communities can go out and determine how many cats there are. Many other programs are doing by using those tools. The key word you just said there was easy ways key to words easy ways to determine how many cats are out there so. I'll be very eager to see what those easy ways are. Yes yes oh the project that we're working on. It's very complex in very intensive and we recognize What communities are going to be able to replicate so? We're hoping to have something that's easy. You know having come from running not in our program of having challenges of being able to get the number of cats in for surgery that I had in my krant that I was supposed to and finding out. Maybe there really aren't that many cats community it can be challenging like. How do you know if you're really making the impact you think you are? And what resources do you need to do that? So I think there's a lot of practical applications here of having this kind of information but the other thing is really will help us in conversations with people who traditionally haven't been so supportive of our community cat efforts really that comes from the conservation community because we can have scientifically valid information. We can have some common language that we're using to discuss their impact. That can really help build bridges and eliminate some of the conflicts that we see when we're in the policy realm in trying to pass ordinances or laws to help protect our community cats or enable our work to reduce their population that are opposed by folks in the conservation field. So I think this can be really important on many many levels so we're really excited about it and people would like to follow along. There's a website decal dot org but highly recommend following along on instagram. Because we find a lot of really fun wildlife on the cameras that we have out as well as cat so a lot of that is shared on instagram. And that's at DC CAC. Count sounds great excellent. I'll definitely check that out. Lastly you talked a little bit about some of the metrics in the counting. You're also doing a little bit of that in Puerto Rico. Yeah so as you may know. Hse has his big project in Puerto. Rico called Spaeth on where we are working to spay neuter all the dogs and cats in Puerto Rico. And as a component of that we decided to apply some of the various methodologies to track the number of street dogs and cats on the island so we will be launching a project with our friends our affiliate Humane Society. International along with our consultant. John Boone. Who had on the show before as well to kind of get an idea of what the dog and cat populations are there and how the impact of the massive spaeth on efforts are having the island. That's fantastic so Danielle. Is there anything else? You'd like to share with our listeners. Today I just say that. It's a really good year. If you haven't made your resolutions for the year yet you should make a new year's resolution here to build. Yourself Academy Oh and not put that off because it is going to be so much fun and a great conversation piece for you and your neighbors about heaping. Cats enrich heaping cats safely confined and really having something. That's that's fun and interesting for you and your cats together. Yes and for those of you are really interested in Cardio's and you're with organizations the cat safe indoors initiative that Karen Kraushaar Bob Salinger work on together with their Cavallo Tours. They presented at the online conference and even though the conference has happened. The recordings are still available so you can get them at online hat conference dot com and you can tune in and see their presentation and you can also tune in. Nc Danielle do her presentation to so she was also presenter on Sunday and Karen. Bob were presenting on Saturday but there are some great pictures of some fantastic patio out there and it was a really wonderful weekend with lots of incredibly valuable information so encouraged people to go back there. I hope you had a good time at the online count conference. I did and I learned things so you know. I think we have to remember that. We can always keep learning as much as we've done at work. How many years how much we've done. There's always new things that we can learn from all the wonderful people that you have on the show on France. Now thank you and thank you for all the work that you do. Putting together the conferences and writing and being out there in advocating and traveling you do so much Danielle Sir. Thank you so much. For focusing on the cat's lastly if there's any thing that folks want to reach out I know you've mentioned the website before but one last time. If they're folks that want more information where would you recommend that they go go to our website? Animal sheltering dot. Org Or if you would like to reach out to me you can send me an email by email addresses. D is on Daniel Base my last name Wa s edged Humane Society Dot. Org Excellent Danielle. I want to thank you again for agreeing to be guests on my show and I know we'll have you on again in the future. So thank you so much for joining me today and for our listeners out there pleaseconsider sharing this podcast with others more subscribers and listeners we have the more will be able to do to help cats and we want to turn your passion for cats interaction. 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Podcast: HSUS on Puppy Mills, Cruelty, and Preventing the Next Pandemic
"I'm David Coursey and your about to listen to a portion of a program from K. Seo radio my guest. Is Sabrina Ashton? She is California State Director for the Humane Society of the United States. You can hear this podcast online as well as visit our library of more than one hundred podcast programs at Cossio pet radio DOT COM. Kf PET RADIO DOT COM. We're live on the air every Sunday from noon until two o'clock Pacific Time at KS CEO DOT COM for streaming. And of course the podcast later show up at K. SEO PET RADIO DOT com. Ed You can hear us live on the air and Santa Cruz at ten. Am and one zero four point one FM now. My conversation was Sabrina Ashton. That has been busy. Couple of weeks in the animal. Welfare world and I'm happy for the opportunity to be able to share this message with your listeners. Who can then go out and and amplify this message with everyone that they know so that we can put a stop to all of this All of these bad practices so the horrible hundred list is a list that the humane society of the United States releases annually. That explains the hundred worst. Breeders and those are the ones that are engaged in the most egregious forms of animal abuse and neglect so violations that we see in the report include sick animals emaciated. Dogs were not taken to vet dogs. That were exposed to extreme weather conditions. Dogs that were living in filthy conditions often in their own ways and Many of these Readers have been in Have received by relations before and They still continue to operate with these message. And that's despite supposed federal and state oversight correct so Half of these are half of the of the breeders that are listed are listed as USC licensed and Many of them are also licensed through their own state agencies and so the issue is that it can be extremely expensive and time consuming especially in parts of the country with weak laws to proactively. Shut these breeders down and the process can take years so department said inspect puppy mills me better funding to give law enforcement the tools that they need so that they can take more decisive action against those dealers and in many cases we also need stronger laws to increase the penalties so that they will really stop these practices and so those are some of the factors that the humane society tried to work on throughout the country. Going state by state and many of these. I don't know that I've seen a number are repeat offenders there people who have been on the list previous and previously as you point out. I don't think anybody loses their license. I think they stay in business and stay in business and cleanup bit a bit and then sink down again. And it's just a cycle of abuse and cruelty for these poor breeder animals in their puppies and and the reason why we're hoping that there will be increased. Attention right now is because It also leads to human illness. And so what we're seeing is a real huge rise in the Campo Baxter section which is a bacterial infection that spreads from puppy mills bread in these conditions that are resistant to antibiotics They're superbug and so we're seeing people then get sick from this. So on top of the Cruelty that we're seeing with all of these animals were also saying the real animal to human connection that this pandemic has really highlighted in terms of our relationship with the animal world and how we need to change many of our practices and behaviors so that we can avoid avoid human illness while increasing animal welfare. And then as rescuers we somewhere between sometimes often see the animals typically females that are out of reading programs that end up in rescue some of which are in really really bad condition. And I personally can attest to this as all of the rescue. Many of the rescues that my family has adopted have been female dogs who have been past their prime and we're just discarded like trash and the whole conditions that they suffer heard in their old age is just really horrific and I think that if people really could understand that they would think twice before using these large puppymills to purchase their puppies from that is. Why people say adopt. Don't shop because if you're buying a dog particularly through a pet shop our I turned down ads from Google ads. That are by puppies over the Internet. Which you'll never see on K. Seo Pet radio. Because I turn them off but they exist. Yeah that can't be a good way. I turn off all the ads occasionally because some of them are just. You can't keep track of them quick. Esa ADS become an emotional support. Animal turn those off as well but we ended up seeing these poor females out of breeding And they may be and they may not be as old as they look. We have found out on a case that they just weren't were never well taken care of. Were never properly fed and some of them are just despite all of this just the sweetest animals we had and sometimes they get away from backyard breeders sometimes and other parts of the country. They come out of puppy mills but it is just so hard heartbreaking to meet some of these animals that are these girls are just so sweet and they've had many litters of puppies oftentimes sometimes at a very young age. And it's just heartbreaking. It is it really is and I think that people think that when the USDA standards mean that this kind of behavior won't exist and the USDA standards are really shockingly low. They include Breeding dogs repeatedly and excessively. There's no limit on that. They include confining dogs in cages. That are only six inches larger than their bodies providing only wire coded Flooring they can be exposed to frigid and extreme weather temperature they can receive no veterinary care beyond annual walk through and so. I think that people really are under the MIS perception that. Usda standards mean humane standards but they really are such a bare minimum that if one of going vacation and had to put our pets in a Kennel we wouldn't. We would never accept those conditions. You will see pictures of dog breeding facilities in which the week of food in a week of water jet hung on each cage and then they turned the lights out right and we do hope that people will adopt and not shop. But we understand that some people want a purebred dog and we hope that people will use responsible breeder because it's sperling never necessary to mass produce these puppies in these dirty inhumane unhealthy environments like you're describing and the whole breeders situation gets interesting because one of the things that had the humane society of the United States is talking about right now. Is The American Kennel Club? Which is pointed out is not a humane organization. It's a breed registry and it will do things to protect some of these puppymills to keep them from being what we would consider pop properly legislated but that the industry and the business would say is unwarranted government intervention in. How you run your puppy breeding for your dog breeding facility so S. US and go ahead. We've also seen I mean we've seen the AKC of close relation that would protect us from being left outside in extreme temperatures from leaving dogs and cars from Laws that are trying to ban the possession of animal fighting paraphernalia bestiality. I mean things that we can. All agree are not good conditions and they oppose those they regularly lobby against basic animal welfare bills for the fear that they'll cut into their dog registration fees in their profits and and. I think that people think when they hear animal are American Kennel Club. They think it's an animal welfare organization but there are pure breed dog registry which means they exist and are sustaining their business through drug registration fees. So they prophet over large scale breeders because each puppy that's spread those unsanitary unhealthy conditions. Means more money for them which means more registration fees so they liked this model and they will sacrifice and put profits over the puppies because they are are making money off this model as opposed to the responsible you know. Small Breeder treating these animals as though their family and You know only producing a few puppies each year. Something like a third. I believe it is the horrible one hundred puppy mills or are listed as being. Akc certified. I think is the number that is true. And so that's one of the factors between that as well as the so. Many of them are also listed as USDA license. That I think people see those A sort of stamps approval and so they think that the puppies must be being treated well. I'm being taken care of and healthy because of those Stamp of approval which really will remove the facade are not you're listening to k? Sco Pet radio. I'm David Coursey my guest right now. Sabrina Ashton who will be here throughout the hour. She is the California State Director of the Humane Society of the United States. We're talking about a lot of news that went down this week if you go over to K. Seo pet radio DOT com you'll find all of it including the supporting material hfs. Us recently has taken on the K. C. The United States Department of Agriculture are going to enforce some new rules. They have that would impact animal welfare and conditions. Things like roadside zoos and breeders. Are Those going to change for the better. Well it seems like they may but only if we get enforcement we also talk talking about the horrible one hundred some of the worst puppy mills in America. Not all of them. They point out in the report. Eighty-six page report that you can read or download their online we also then have and we should probably run through. And we'll do this. I guess after the break at the bottom of the hour the whole pandemic issue. There are eleven points in this. Hfs US US and the issue is family humane society international the the Humane Society Legislative Fund the other groups that we are part of the humane society family. Put out this eleven point recommendation. I guess is the nice term for it of things that can be done with animals to decrease the possibility of more pandemics when diseases cross from animals into the human population as we believe happened with covert nineteen and particularly because of no. I don't think it's the Chinese government but it is Chinese farming practices Chinese diet and the Chinese relationship with Wild Animals. That causes some of this. And we'll be talking about that in detail after the bottom of the hour and the break with me is my co host. Laura pay in Columbus. Laura Hi hi you have questions I mean this is a lot cake in and it's this is some of it is for you and Josh has questions to. Why don't we start with Laura? And when Laura's finished will take Josh and then we'll go into the break supreme I guess you know from what I'm hearing is an organization that A person can trust at says. Oh these are good humane breeders and a good place to get your dog from you. Know we do not have done but I can definitely look into that and get back to your listeners about Ed. But that's not what we ask people to do if they are going to go to breeders. Is We ask that they actually go and meet the Breeder and see the facility so that really cuts down on the possibility of purchasing from one of these places when people are able to actually see a family that is treating the dog like their own family and so that's just one of the generic measures that we asked if people are going to go to breeders but we don't have. I have not seen any documentation that shows which are better breeders. You can also check references because these puppies become references. You can check with veterinarians a local small breeder level. There are ways to check that. It's probably harder. If you want a difficult to get breed and have to go some distance I wouldn't do that because it's just hard to find out what's going on. A friend of mine is a breeder of Portuguese water dogs and before they ever breed the animals. All the puppies are already spoken for so she is very responsible and has a long track record of you know one or two litters a year and all of hers are gone before they're born actually Laura of what's your next question but you know this is interesting. I've been I've had a couple of times where clients have asked me to look for a certain breed and I even went to Westminster and talk to people and they would not I guess either. It's it's like it's a very tight group. And they they they really didn't WanNa give puppy unless somehow I knew someone in the group and stuff. I thought that was interesting. I'm almost wondering if it's easier for people to go to some of these other places thinking oh I can finally get this dog and maybe it was in a puppy mill but I can. I can take care of that and that kind of thing I are you seeing something like that. Sabrina you know we have not We really have a seen a huge increase especially now with people in Purchasing from a rescues and shelters which has been a a real silver lining of this pandemic so I haven't really seen that happened but I do appreciate the idea that David mentioned about references and checking with veterinarians. Those are really wonderful ideas. It has easier if you can buy from a pet shop than if you have to become best friends with the best in show winner at Westminster. I'm sure that is a very closed group. But those are very special dogs as well. There are places reputable places. Where if you want to breed you can get one but you need to check references closely and you need to go and actually see the dog and the conditions in which. I don't want to paint all breeders all. Akc breeders as evil. I don't think I'm not wild about breeders. Start with that. I think they have created some pretty poor examples of dogs out there. I think we need more out crossing less inbreeding. But that's really a different topic. Are these people doing well by the dogs that they put out into the community? I think many even most of them do although I wouldn't pay fifteen hundred dollars for a little fringy but that's you know that's between you and your pocketbook Josh. I'm sorry go ahead. I had one more question What would you recommend to like our listeners to to help change some of these regulations that the USDA has and the AKC? Oh that's a wonderful by so I definitely want to spend a little bit of time talking with you and your listeners about some of the USDA Reforms that they have put out this week to tighten licensing requirements as well as some of the new legislation that we're looking at in California and in Congress in order to help some of these situations so just let me know if you'd like to chat about that now or if you want to do so after a break. Let's do that after the break we'll also talk about. Why issues is so unpopular in some circles and and how the various animal welfare groups. I'm I'M GONNA try not to compare but they all have their niches and issue asked about pissing people off now. That's not true but if you are a pork producer are a beef. Producer are an egg. Producer are a bad. Akc Breeder are a bad puppy. Mill there are very few animal welfare organizations that go out their way to upset you to the extent that HR does. And for that reason you will find people trying to trash the humane society and that just never pans out. They'll take us to court not saying US they'll take us to court and lose. They did that with proper twelve. The bill we on. I guess it was last year to improve the lot of animals in California and in all the states that want to sell in California so they sued twice and the humane society and its backers have won both times. We'll talk about that in a moment. Josh were coming up to the break. But why don't you start in with your questions? And then when you're finished we'll take the commercial. Sounds like a plan David. Well first and foremost I did actually want to start off with. It's a good thing that I had a nice quick dancing session before the show started because man I was just blown away to find out all about this like wow. This is a tough subject. But I've got those questions for you. So let's let's start off here. I appreciate your you all and your listeners Paying attention to this so that we can really make make some positive change. I know it's a really tough topic and I appreciate the opportunity to be on and the time that we're spending discussing these because I think that it really is important. And it's important for us to understand the interplay between house and the Animal Health and the welfare of our entire society. So thank you so much for for end of the topic of course and thank you for being here to help. Us Charter this ship. So let's get started here. So what are some of the red flags for an unethical breeder to look out for when you're walking into a shop like let's say you're just it's your first time and you're really. Gung Ho about getting this specific breed. And you're you're just walking into one of these places. What are some of those Red Flags? Places generally fell to pet stores They generally are not places that are open for people to feed their Animals and if they are Places where people can go directly. They don't usually let people see the conditions that animals are in. So that's a red flag. You can't either. The conditions that the Both the mother as well as the puppies are in so that you can get a sense of if they're injured if they're sick if they're emaciated if you know they're being provided food water and shelter and that sort of thing if you can't see the on busted the big red flag in terms of You know why they're hiding that. And so that's really concern. Were also being with people who are purchasing pets over the Internet because there's no way of actually seeing wipe the conditions are in that the pets are in danger of ECOMMERCE right here Wow and So that actually kind of answering my follow up question which was is it possible you could be shown one room and then the reality is another mysterious room and that is very which is which is why you know this is so important to really uncover and it's so important for the licensing agencies like USDA to really be a really be examining these places to make sure that they're seeing the entire facility and they're saying all of the animals and their tracking all of the animals and whether they must mentioning their injured emaciated those sorts of things as opposed to just being. Maybe a select few or one space or things like that. Sabrina why don't we run through the whole pandemic issue people? Okay very concerned right now. Of course about covert nineteen. Why don't we go through quickly? Eleven of the eleven recommendations that HHS US and related organizations have put out that are aimed at pandemic prevention into the future. Thank you so I we have been looting. The pandemic really has prompted the world to acknowledge the critical need to change our relationship with animals and to do so for our own our own health as well as the health of the animals so the humane society of the United States the Humane Society Legislative Fund and Humane Society International Developed. What's called an eleven point policy plan for the steps that we would take to combat this so I will run through those then we can chat about them as you would like so the first is to shut down wild animal markets permanently around the world second is to end the trade of wild animals. The third is to ban close encounters with wild animals and their use in traveling shows before is to end for farming and the for trade. The fifth is to end intensive confinement of farm animals. The six is to shift the global food industry to more plant based protein. Seven is to end the sale of dogs from puppy mills. Eight is to end the dog and cat. New Trade nine to effectively manage street dog populations ten end cockfighting. An eleven is to fund alternatives to animal testing to speed up treatment and vaccines. And the reason why we're hoping that this reaches more critical awareness is because of The idea of preventing future pandemics. We're seeing from all eleven of these. This is really. How disease spreads how pathogen Ended up creating viruses that spread from animals to humans Many of these conditions leave animals in situations where they're in their own waste. There's blood there's All this bacteria growing from that and then that goes to other animals and these viruses and bacteria can then get into human systems and so we really think that the time is now in terms of making a lot of these changes that we've been advocating for for so many years because there's really such a spotlight on what we can do to prevent this from ever happening again in our society. Just because we're seeing you know lives lost and livelihood loss and so. We really need to take proactive steps and change the way we've been thinking about it. A lot of these things Previously you know people just thought of these as fringe issues or or animal issues that You know just only certain few people cared about but we're really seeing how this is so critical to the functioning of our society and We need to do better in order to protect animals and people. None of these issues are absolutely new. As you pointed out there all familiar. Let me be honest. I had never really tied them together. Sometimes very important ways in sometimes in less obvious ways each of these eleven recommendations impacts both animal and human health one way or the other now the life the life market issue makes news because they show these scenes in China. You know eating big pythons and stuff like that. But they're also here in the United States. I went into an Asian grocery store in the Central Valley where you could buy. Oh big frogs. You could take home and cook and all kinds fish and it didn't smell good and the water didn't wasn't all clear. And I was grossed out. I want to go take some pictures just to show this for people who've never seen it before but we have the equivalent of live markets here in the United States. That in my mind need to be improved or shut down as much as those in other parts of the world. Then go ahead. Sorry go clear I go to your first point I it is. I really do appreciate the way that they framed this as an eleven point plan. And how all of these issues in her relate because that is something that we have been focusing on these issues all separately without really tying together the impact that it has on on our society on our health and so I really appreciate the way this was trained in terms of how these practices are breeding disease And then to go. To the second point we would be shocked to find out how many alive animal markets are in California and across the country. We treat this as an issue that You know happens in other countries but it is taking place here in California. We are going to join in supporting some legislation on this year. That would put a stop to this practice that you just described that you saw because we're seeing it all over and any one of these places could create a whole new pandemic and that's going to be hard to do. That is going to be a tough. Getting rid of them is going to be hard improving them maybe easier but something's gotta give one way or the other. There's both the cruel treatment of the animals and there is also the pandemic are zoonotic which is to say a disease that crosses from animals to humans. There is that potential in each of these situations. You can find the report about this on the homepage. Seo Pet radio DOT COM all of the topics that we're talking about have references and stories there that will go into details that we don't have time for here on the radio or that you won't remember because there are so many details. Were having to go into so visit the website K. Seo PET RADIO DOT COM. You will find all of this information there but these eleven issues again bringing them all together. I don't Wanna say it's genius but it's genius to now that we're concerned about pandemics you'll look at it and you say yeah these things have something in common right and it also helps people see how interrelated all of these issues are that the idea of What happened in live? Animal market that created this pandemic could take place The conditions are right for this to happen and a lot of our factory farming practices in these live. Animal markets in traveling roadside zoos where people are interacting with Live in exotic animals People purchasing live in exotic animals. There are so many ways that a pandemic so similar to this could start up again and so it really is critical that we take the time to really delve into this and think about it as a society and make some proactive challenges. So that we're never in this position again. And so I really appreciate you highlighting this and your listeners. Sticking with US and You know learning about this because it's so critical that we do so so that we never experienced one. We're going through again at the end of the program. We need to spend a couple of minutes talking about what our listeners can do to promote and learn about these issues Laura. Do you have a question right now. Now that was going to be my question because so helpless right now i. What can we do what we realized how small the world has gotten and how interdependent we are forgetting the people who walk around with guns so that they don't have to wear a mask or something you know. We're all very dependent upon one another and the world has become such a small place. That is true. We're seeing not so much now and I do think that that is a small silver lining to the crisis that were experiencing is to really understand the rest of society and to connect with people in a way that we previously have not been doing so and so I think that we really are at a critical point Where we can make real change? Well we've gotten away from the idea that we're all in this America thing together and it has become what's in it for me. What's in it for me and we're all in it together. That's what this is showing us. Tom Cora Lido's let me pick you up here. You want to know the difference between wet and life markets is that correct yes It started out with the wet market term. Same thing with mainly free food. Well it's particularly Asian but it happens in other parts of the world but when we're thinking of it right now it tends to be Asian therefore it tends to be live seafood sold at point of take it home and kill it or we'll kill it and you take it home If you imagine a fish shop where everything is alive. You get some of the idea but they it refers to the same thing. Sabrina. You're saying I was just going to add to that and yet they are That can be used interchangeably. The term wet mark in my understanding came from Product that will wake and not pantry based item so it could relate to neat but it can also relate to Dairy or anything that requires refrigeration and so we tried to step away from the wet market concept because it encompassed more items than live animals and so that we do see the words used interchangeably. But that's why we tried to move away from The wet market because it's Encompassing some of the the that refrigerated that we weren't meaning to live market is so much more visual than wet markets and. Yeah that's a good thing. I will henceforth say live markets. Tom Did that help. Thank you I appreciate it. You're you're welcome It's nice to know they're interchangeable because people use both terms but It's pretty well established by the administration if you Listen to David Navarro. Who's the administration that that the I call it. The Wuhan Bat virus actually came from The the research that they refer to as bat woman who traveled eight hundred miles per move. We'll we we don't. We don't know that to be the case and I'm not going to put that on the radio. I exactly who was patient one in. Where did it come from is beyond this conversation and we do conspiracy theories here? That aren't bad. Animal breeders trying to herd animals Josh do you have a question or more time? Josh your question I am not. I am blanket this moment. Don't worry about it. I surprised you let them more about The but we're seeing recently with the US if that would be helpful yes that's a whole nother topic and it gets into the Animal Welfare Act and we have about four minutes to talk about it. Why don't we do that now? Okay sure so what we're seeing is In the past couple of years we've seen the. Usda scale back on their enforcement of Animal Welfare Act so pure citations. Fewer warnings fewer finds for a lot of these issues that we've been discussing including horrible hundred So we were pleased In the past week that the USDA finalized some reforms to tighten licensing requirements which will prevent mistreatment of animals From roadside zoos. Puppy Mills Research. Labs and so we positively hope that they enforce these actions It's GonNa require these Exhibitors and dealers to get new licensed every three years which has not been the case previously. And it's going to require more inspections and so we're hoping that this will save. Tens of thousands of animals lives and prevent pandemics. We've been discussing. And then I know that Laura asked about what people can do and how people can get involved in health and so this is such a great way first of all of just getting the message out and having people share some of this information with their friends and family and colleagues There's also a couple of bills Both in the California legislature Which I discussed on the facebook page for Humane Society of the United States to California version. Which is at hse California and If you WANNA like and follow that and people can reach out to me I s action at Humane Society Dot. Org and I think that information is also on your website and then in Congress. We're looking at the Wolf Act. Which is the welfare of our friends act and the Puppy Protection Act? Both of those bills would reform the high volume commercial dog dealer industry and would include stronger provisions and prevent those whose licenses have been suspended or revoked especially from animal cruelty to Not Be able to get licensed again. And so those are ways that reaching out to your legislators is let them know that you're supportive with the California legislation and the federal legislation on these issues to house bills. Twenty four forty two and one thousand two that we need to talk about at some point and I need to call my member of Congress in support of. Yeah I copied them down. I have them here on my desk. I haven't done it yet because as you know I've been really busy getting all this stuff together and redoing the websites and calling you at night and stuff like that. Let's talk about work. I mean there's been a lot of a lot of animal welfare action and a lot of positive theft. They think all this is positive but again only if there is any enforcement and the inspections and the administration. Doesn't you know turn off the visibility of the inspection reports as they did as one of the first things when they got to Washington there now available again but it was a fight to make this information available so if there isn't transparency and enforcement and you as a former enforcer is a prosecutor know all about this more than. I hope to ever know if that doesn't happen. It doesn't matter all the nice rules in the world wants the people figure out there meaningless. Don't matter exactly and I think that weekend very caught up in passing laws and showing. What can what should be done done. we really need to make sure that we're providing law enforcement and all of the regulatory agencies with proper tools and techniques for that they can go out and enforce these actions that we can really crack down on all the bad actors. Sir. Let's talk now about how people get involved in making these rules happen. Making these changes getting the intention necessary to prevent perhaps future pandemics by doing a better job of looking after animals and one way to do that. Ladies and gentlemen. And I'M NOT GONNA ask Sabrina to talk in favor of. Gee I need a job but they need your money. The Humane Society of the United States. Needs MONEY IT takes money to do this. And H S. US is a well regarded charity. And they will put your money to good use fighting for issues like these that you don't often hear other animal. Organizations fighting for lots of organizations are cute dogs and puppies and kittens. And that's really good. Are they run shelters? And that's really good and necessary but there are all these other very important national issues. That really aren't appropriate for your local rescue or local shelter to deal with. They have plenty of problems already and they deserve your money as well but after you give some money to local organizations look at the National Organizations Animal Legal Defense Fund the Humane Society of the United States the Morris Animal Foundation. All of whom we've worked with and continue to all of whom deserve your money because they're doing important work and it's important work that won't kid done because it is such so and national and in the case of the humane society global. You know who is fighting dog meat over in China and Korea who is trying to rescue the dogs out of the dog meat farms. Well that's humane society international and related groups all of which in need our dollars in our support. So we're almost out of time. I managed to spend like three minutes doing that. Pitch so under a minute now at because that's what our organization really tries to fight a big fight so that we can create more systemic change. So that's a really wonderful way of explaining how we're different from some of the other organizations all which do great work so thank you for highlighting that and for referencing earlier in the show. Some of the larger fights that we have been having in terms of creating got stomach change. You've been listening to a podcast of a conversation with Sabrina Ashton California State Director of the Humane Society of the United States. You can find this in more than one hundred other podcasts. As well as lots of news and information chaos CEO PET RADIO DOT COM. Kf CEO PET RADIO DOT COM. I'm your host David Coursey if you need to get in touch. I am David at pet. Radio DOT COM. Thank you for listening.
Palo Alto Humane Society: No Shelter But Lots of Help for Animals
"Josh is the board operator. But he's also a professional dog walker which is part of his interest in our program. So I'm GonNa let him ask you some questions. If you don't mind that will keep me from calling you eleanor. Which is my wife's name which I have to look at your name three times every time to not say. Eleanor de Delgado. And I I apologize because I'll probably do that so Josh go ahead. You start out and I'll join in certain things so What does your organization do to help animals in the local communities? Yes well we have a special role in the local communities since we do not run a shelter. We do a lot of other stuff We actually serve as a hotline for people calling in. They think that we have a shelter. We point them to shelters rescue groups. We give them advice when we and and one of the our most important roles in the local community on the Mid Peninsula here is our our veterinary programs We help people who are low income when their pets are ill. We help rescuers with our animal rescue fund to take them to the vet. We also have a spay neuter fund that we use to help local animals who are Bandon who needs to be stayed and neutered before they can go out to adoption and speaking of that hotline. What is the top frequently asked question that is received on that it's about cat? We were very active Years ago and we still are in the cat rescue community and it's always about people. It's nearly always about people finding kittens outside. What can they do to help? We point them to shelters and rescue groups and with that in mind since you mentioned cats how are Cats doing in the low in the local shelters within your area like is there an abundance. Or what's going on there if you know? Open shelters all they. Most of the cats are out in Foster programs there's been a large response to Call outs for fosters. And they're they're doing they're doing well in foster program and What are Stoesz more about these foster programs? Are they temporary homes for these kittens? Or what is what happens until they can be returned to shelter or rescue group. Were they are adopted out In addition to Helping cats and dogs and other animals We're running a campaign called creating compassionate communities and this is the way in which we not only Give our attention to veterinary issues but also to educational issues and Tell us more about some of these educational issues or programs that you offer within the Palo Alto humane society. Okay We started out. We're actually pretty pretty old. We started out in nineteen eight as an advocacy group Addressing issues around the welfare of animals on the community at that on the peninsula at that time The Palo Alto. Police were actually shooting. Stray dogs. Horses were going thirsty and our group address these issues. We advocated for functioning. Animal shelter was built by US and run by US until nineteen seventy and that at that point it was taken over by the city of Palo Alto so What we do now is basically focused on advocacy and our Veterinary programs that I mentioned and education Do you want to speak a little bit? More about the educational programs are advocacy absolutely and feel free to also mention in addition to these Any of the other ways in which your organization addresses community outreach. Okay sure yeah In a few years ago in the nineties we created we help create the California Coalition for homeless cats which fought against all kinds of negative legislation that supported euthanasia we propose a trap neuter return popularly known as TNN and that's now taken root in the country and has become one of the main ways and the best way to deal with homeless cat populations We also advocated for the local shelter to keep it open when the city of Palo Alto threatened to close it and twenty twelve and we've always advocated for and supported good legislation and public policy such as prop to And other actions that we've taken. We introduced with local legislator Kevin Mullin a statewide proposition linking character education with humane education for all schools in the state in the state of California and our basic thrust. Now excuse me is education. We want young people to become ambassadors of compassion. So we look for different ways in which we can engage them in our programs. And if it's okay with you I'd like to mention a couple of these programs. Go ahead okay. Sure What we're doing right now is we're sponsoring a story writing contest for seventh and eighth graders in the local counties of Santa Clara and some fail and we had our first contests last year. We Awarded a wonderful writer. Vanden a Ravi The award for her Wonderful story about donkeys. We expanded her story into a book that includes information about donkeys and history Rescue of donkeys local donkey organizations. And that's one of the several books that we have in our collection that we're selling through Palo Alto Humane Society To get information about our books please of go to our website. Www Dot Palo alto humane dot org Our contest this year has been expanded. extended to the end of April. Because of the current Kovic Nineteenth Situation We've also reached out to different groups in the community at at the school level We developed a middle school program. That were worked with animal advocacy clubs on the peninsula We have we partner with Silicon Valley Animal Control Authority in a Special Program called Kitties K I D D I e s number two kitty cats and kittens. Yeah and this started out and it still is a reading program. It's a shelter based reading program where kids of all ages come and read to the cats and when they start reading to cats and kittens the they re quietly the cats and kittens come up to them and then they begin the process of socialization with these cats and kittens. These are all adoptable cats and kittens. Some are more shy than others. And we've had some wonderful wonderful successes Cats and kittens have overcome their. You know being frightened of people they've Been adopted Some of our volunteers in this program have become fosters We give Community service time for high school students involved in the program We also visit classrooms and after school programs with a tailoring our interaction with them to their needs so if they want to learn more about dogs we have A large contingency of what we call our dog teams and they go out to the schools to scouts to after school clubs community service clubs and interact with the participants at the same time. The participants are learning about good ways to take care of dogs. We do the same with with cats We also have an online program and we'd like to encourage teachers to look at the program. It's a bilingual online program for Grades K. Through five Teachers can choose whatever they want to work with in the program if batches state standards for curriculum and the program is called Mao animals. Not Bow Mao. 'cause we wanted to get that in there too so if anyone on the program is interested in looking at the program please go to. Www DOT now. Wow M. O. W. W. O. W. One word DOT ORG and they can take a look at the program and see all the different kinds of activities we've mapped out. Videos that are included readings And classroom of and worksheets. That can be done right here at home while parents are self home schooling children at this at this point in time and One other question You mentioned about a local shelter getting threatened to be shut down in two thousand twelve and I follow city issues. Often here locally. So would you be able to tell us more about that shelter shutdown threat of two thousand twelve We were part of a coalition of groups that Spoke out to keep this shelter open and as a result of our activities and our At one point we had people out there with their dogs and horns were honking. They went by City Council. We had students come up and see Animal Control officers and just members of the Community. Saying how important it was or Paolo. Alto and the local communities surrounding to have its own shelter. That's very important low AD. That's an amazing insight on that whole story like I'm glad it ended up. Actually having a happy ending was it. Do you happen to know why the City Council thought that was a logical move. At first. They wanted to save money by By finding another group to run the shelter so yeah drip ways to cut the budget essentially with the budgetary issue. Awesome well Thank you so much leaner. Can you tell us where to find your organization's website before we go? Yeah I mentioned that It's www dot palo alto humane dot org in addition to our website. Where very active on facebook Just look us up Palo Alto humane society and you can see our postings. We post nearly every day We are also active funded program and twitter and we do other things We have instituted this year. A pause therapy pause program where we go out to high schools universities local companies and we bring dogs who are kind and gentle or playful and gentle and just to get people's mind off their stress and to relax and be better prepared for the stresses that surround them. Think well thank you so much For joining US Today Leonardo. We appreciate all the work. Your organization does as well and Just thank you for especially in times like these lake. We really need that help to protect our little furry animals and because in and men and women's best friends yes we are and we are developing material that will soon be up online videos and other materials that parents and teachers and kids can use at home just to learn more about animals and to destroy during this time. Well thank you again for joining us and We look forward to having you some time down the line in the future. Thank you very much. We'd lose was great and it talks about the important role that schools and teachers and parents play in educating children. Young people to be more humane to animals in it starts very early.
Animal Talk Attorney Mike Morse Legal Pet Issues Episode 94
"You're listening to the PODCAST DETROIT visit. WWW DOT com. I tested troy dot com before information. All right there's the music that means it's time for animal. Talk some doggone pet people the planet like that cat sitting across from me. I and Brian Donovan and I just slipped and fell outside a sue. The owner this the guy pushing their buttons today. Hi Kami Rods. Pay For big. It's it is. It's like ten minutes and remember that Google out. You don't know how to do it. I'm Jamie just making sure everybody. Good sign animal. Talk with Mary headsets. Zaki and helping people right. It's important thing and their pets. We got got a guy with us today. His mission in life is to help our guest today. Moore's attorney Morris. Listen Listen Detroit attorney so famous thanks for having me guys renowned. This is fun. So tell me about your well. Four born in very moving from the seventies going to do that so born and raised here in Detroit in Troy actually grew up in oak park. Southfield Farmington Trente never made into these site initially And then I went to law. I went out of state for college to the University of Arizona in Tucson and then I came back here for Law School in Detroit University Detroit Titans absolutely and That took me to nineteen ninety two when I graduated law school and I've been a practicing attorney ever since back then though Wayne State was The tartars right. Yeah well. My father was a tartar. I guess when he went to UH UNDERGRAD back but I. I've never been a tartar now. So but Mike you just I love to have fun. And you're helping the people and I and I love your commercials and you actually did one. I just calling yourself an ambulance chaser. You're literally chasing an ambulance. I it's like you picked up. Somebody dropped their wallet trying to help them. Nearly was he in the ambulance. or You just happened to be the buyers. No the ambulance was just I. I got into a car dropped his wallet. I picked it up. I start running after them and enabled happen to be going by teams. Say Two two little ladies at the at the Ah at the Cafe Sides Sidewalk cafe going see look at them go chasing them videotaping me putting it on TV. All that nonsense. In fact. So I I got from illegal conference yesterday in Miami. The National Trial Lawyers gave me an award for that commercial. The best thirty second spot in the entire nation especially the first ones who. I've told that too. I haven't even posted that on my face. That's quite an accolade with all those lawyer. Seattle's shows either breaking news. Yeah that's awesome so I'll be posting that soon but yeah that was. I was very proud of that commercial. We just shot our new super bowl commercial and I do not have an exclusive to let your audience e because I'm actually see you tomorrow for the first time and then it's going to be on TV a week from Sunday on the Super Bowl thirty Wednesday going beyond beyond the Super Bowl. What time we should be looking for it? Can you lean into the microphone. Yeah she's so mad at me around halftime around halftime locker. The Twenty Twenty Mike. Moore's competitors like local allocated spots grabbed cramped one of those we've done for the last six or seven years. Yeah all right excited to see we. Do I host a super bowl party. And it's it's like everybody shuts up during commercial always paying attention to the game around halftime. Look for my for sure. Awesome but that's it you you like that you like to help people. You're usually helping people people who've had an issue or an accident Some sort of problem you deal a lot with neck and back. Injuries wrote a book on neck and back injury. I did Through James is publishing. We have a book out and it's mostly around car motorcycle truck pedestrian type accidents That's ninety eight percent of my business over thirty years occasionally. Unfortunately kind of relevant to this show is I have dogged by case yes and that's It's amazing amazing. The numbers and insurance companies. You know about ten years ago I worked on a program with state farm. My background is animal behaviour and they told tell me that their their second or third highest claim was dog bites and the reasons with with kids. It's the gift that keeps giving. I mean the kids They'll sometimes sometimes need plastic surgery as they get older. They need they. They may need some reconstructive type surgeries pain and suffering. All these all these things so it was it it was a big big area of Of of you know Insurance claims is that still the case. I've kind of been out of it for a while. But at that time it was something like sixteen million children get bitten by a dog every year. Something crazy. It's it's really upsetting cases. And we've we've represented people some really horrible Injuries and you know. I'm a huge animal lover. As why immediately said Yes to you guys. Get a lot of money to the Michigan Humane Society every year. The only dogs I've ever owned or both in Michigan Society I just interviewed Matt Pepper on my podcast recently. Just because I want to get the word out. What about the great work? They're doing But these L. Car accidents. You could argue are preventable and some if not most Dr but dog bites really are Oh yeah and you know. It's really the lack of care of the owner of the dog. And it really are. They really are preventable with training. And the right fencing and the right leashes and the right behavioral teachings and you know there's lots of Aggressive some aggressive dogs and I get in this debate a lot with my girlfriend. WHO's a huge put pit bull fan and ninety percent? One of my cases are with pit bills and so you can get jaded a little bit because you see the same thing over and over and her arguments. Oh it's the owners the owners either by the Bod- not the the dogs fault and I'm not arguing whose fault it is. All I know is I got a six year old. Who lost her nose or her ear or has a screener for it for the rest of her life and and the family Didn't have the right fencing The door which they knew opens and closes with a dog pushes that they didn't affects or they walked without a leash because they thought it'd be fine or when the six year old came up at carnivals had can I pet your dog. Sure no problem crunch or you know. Oh so there's it's really a sad and I really don't like those cases But we have to do a really good job but you know with With with these the dog by keeping we talk about all the time it's a perennial issue where Like you said ninety percent a pit bulls a Chihuahua bite somebody you know. It's it's usually something that is not as catastrophic. As a pit bulls pit bulls are big powerful dogs and although they don't have any more of a propensity than any other breed to bite when they do bite they usually make much bigger. Your mistakes really. You know we read a story a couple of weeks ago. It was a tragic story. A Guy Loses dog in Montana somewhere and and he goes to the mailbox and the dog's leash and collar in the mailbox along with a note that said He didn't suffer and I didn't enjoy killing clean it. Yeah Yeah so the thing. Is You know this guy apparently had let the dog loose every night and he was he was a foraging through the neighbor's garbage and the point is that we talked about it. I mean You kill a dog for going through your garbage. No but the point is who's fault. Why is that dog dead? The owner the owner didn't keep the dog he he thought thought it was okay for the for the dog to wander around and people. Are you know you never know the temperament of of of people in Montana in the stick. Somewhere and The neighbors I know dogs go through my garbage. There was nothing the owner could do because in that neck of the woods you know. Stray dogs are seems a little little extremists. It's extreme extreme extreme horrendous. I don't like for running around because you see all these cases even freight where where people are killed by these. ooh Pack of these dogs. I mean to me. There's nothing more scary in my whole life and those people of course don't have insurance family cannot get compensation. The Dogs Dogs Dogs are put down which is always a tragedy but I mean the owner and the prosecutions for owners that are so few and far between they happen but not Ettelaat so yeah. That's what I was my question. What kind of liability do you take on personal liability? Do you take on when you own a pet owning a pet and if you own an Akita Akita or some other big scary dogs well. Yeah the mastiff dose of German shepherds have a little bit of a reputation. Honey okay so what kind of glad you asked. If if your pet causes the death of another person you can be guilty of involuntary manslaughter. which is punishable L.? For Up to fifteen years in prison or a fine of no more than seventy five hundred dollars if the PAT attacks and seriously injures another person you may be guilty of a felony punishable punishable up to four years in prison so wanNA death wants a serious injury and that's four years in prison with a couple of thousand dollar fine if your pet attacks invites a person causing injury. That's not that serious. You can be guilty of a misdemeanor and go to jail for up to ninety days so I don't see those very often eh at all You know there's other. There's a lot of monetary Penalties but on the civil side. That's when you can't be forced was to pay in fact there's a definitive book emission that put out by the Institute of Continuing Legal Education. That's a book of all the types of Torts Michigan. I actually wrote the chapter in that book and and you can search it and it's out there but on the civil side you know you really need insurance. Everybody listening. WHO has any type of dog that possibly could buy or get out or caused caused damage? Should have good homeowners insurance and they should be honest with their carrier that they have a dog. And you shouldn't have too many dogs that you can't take care of and if your dog bites and you know would bites you better do a really good job of behavioral person who could take care of it keep it locked up keep it in the house. Do not let it around people because you will be responsible. I promise you that that. And if you don't have insurance you can lose your house. You could lose your car or you can lose everything you have. So sometimes insurance companies and even municipalities will say say you cannot own this type of dog or we're not going to cover you or we're not gonNA cover you if you own a pit bull if you own a rottweiler if you own an Akita you too And if you have evidence that the dog is bitten before you've had a claim before and the dog wasn't put down. The insurance company can just drop you. Yeah But I I I you know in certain cities in certain areas you find no a homeowner's insurance But everybody listening should have homers insurance or for the justice purpose do you have does a person have any recourse to say. Well you know. I'm I'm responsible owner. Is there a way to fight your insurance company to get coverage average. No shot around. That's not what I thought you were going I thought you know you're asking other any defenses. Oh by lake cases. Yeah but if that doesn't interest you that question no I didn't. I didn't know where you're going. Yeah so so if you're trespassing. Yeah if I come on your property I go into the backyard in your dog bites me. I can't see you okay. Okay if I aggravate provoke the dog I throw rocks at your dog right which I would never do but if somebody did that and the dog bit you. I can't sue you Other than that. It's a strict negligence state. Which means there's no free bite if your dog bites someone for the first time in it's been calm and find for ten years you're still responsible so it's like it's called it's accident per se or there's no free? It's there's no free bite rule in Michigan but as an aside I've never deposed anybody in the hundreds of depositions where they admitted that their dog is bitten other people. It's always the first and I don't know if you believe that or not but You may not want to believe that signing on your home. Beware of dog that work against can connect both ways. Now I mean that's good but if your dog doc bust through your fence jumps over your fencer gets loose. No that doesn't do anything over. I mean if I if if you invite me over for a a a beverage and And I see that dog and I just walk in or I am in the back gate and the dog. It doesn't know who I am and attacks me. I mean yeah so then you have an argument ferrick right Mike. You're being dumdum. You shouldn't have come in and says you see the sign you've never been here before but that's you know there's some gray area there but Michigan you dog bite somebody. You're in trouble and the dogs in trouble. You thank you thank you. Is there anything you can do to protect your dog. I mean mean if if if a tragedy had happened in your dog bit somebody in the person is like I want that dog. Put Down Do you have a defense for your animal. It's a very good question I you know I've never got involved in anything like that. Because I'm usually deal with the victim's family. Animal control is called Animal. Control has protocols as they deal with Whether or not the dogs put down. I've never advocated for it. I've never defended somebody on it so I actually don't know but just By memory memory most dogs are put down out after a serious bite because for obvious reasons they I mean unless I guess if it was if it was Someone hired me to defend them in that case I actually look at the history of the dog. Get the vet records talked. Everybody knows the animal and if the defense fence was let's say a kid or somebody stepped on the dog's tail or messed with the food or something like that. You can argue that. They they provoked the dog not a great argument But you can argue it and try to convince a judge or somebody not to put the dog I think. Yeah I mean I've I've read some cases about it but that's not something that I follow her know about. I've been an expert witness a couple of these these things in You know Back in the old days Jamie when I trained dogs I did a lot of evaluations for aggressive dogs. and to tell someone you know because there are different types of aggression aggression that You know biting is part of dog language so dogs will bite they'll But there are some abberant behaviors as well and when you see that in the dog when you test the dog and you see those things to look the owner in the eye and say you really should put this down. He's just a time bomb. Somebody's GONNA WANNA get hurt Man has had a tough one. That sounds terrible. You know you just reminded me the Michigan inmates ideas at least two full time behavioral people On Staff and Detroit because they are so concerned about letting dog get adopted If they have these behavioral problems so when they get dogs in off the street one one two three four years old and they have to test these dogs because they can't give a dog that's going to bite to a home brings up another point. Have you ever had a situation where a dog is adopted from a humane society or shelter and the new pet owner says. Hey you vouch for this dog and he just bit my kid now. Nothing like that. No I think these shelters and the humane side do a really good job. I really really do from what I understand. It's kind of a one way trip for a pit bull when they get picked up In Detroit in the Detroit the Humane Society in Detroit. It's kind of a one way trip for a pit bull in from what I remember historic if they're aggressive passive but DUNno. They love pickles down there and they are trying to rehabilitate them. They do have behavioral specialists to make sure but yes for sure I don't they don't release those numbers. Yeah I don't know those numbers but yeah aggressive pit bull comes in the. Yeah I it could be a one way trip. Yeah but I don't have those statistics but you know what maybe it should be a one way trip. Yeah it's it's it's an it's hard you know we're a show for pet lovers and it's a really difficult conversation to have. I met if the dog is aggressive and invite somebody. Okay I'm not advocating pit. Bulls are bad. I I don't agree with his Banning them but If there's evidence of this dog could hurt somebody somebody I mean. I don't I don't know what else you do. Because there's no. There's I mean the best. Behavioral can't necessarily change those dogs no practice can make like no no. There's no there are no guarantee no guarantees recently separate subject recently Animal Cruelty has become a felony right. It's a IT'S A it's a federal fence now Has that impacted your practice at all. Are they do you know of any cases that have Have tested this new though. No but map pepper on my On the open. My podcast definitely talked about that and They advocated for it in. I have not seen any tests. That's not something thing that I get involved in that part of it But hopefully it'll deter people Yeah it could deter some pretty good youtube videos do now listen the video with the pigeons. Somebody in glue including hats on. Yeah somebody and Vegas was putting little red hats on pigeons. It's the funniest damn video you've ever seen seen walking through a parking lot in one of them lands with the red hat. got a tiny little red hat. That's animal cruelty right. That guy's is in trouble even though he's he's brought joy to millions of people including you. I haven't I'm going to help Kinda shows this. We're we're not really sure but so you made a quick mention of a chapter that you wrote about dog. Bite claims And that's the out of the Michigan Causes Action. Yes frame formbook. Yep So what does that. What what is that? Four base four hundred ninety four lawyers. It's teaching them. I'm how to handle a dog bite case so I literally wrote the book on it and You can look it up. And there's a lot a lot of stuff about different types of animals and causes of action how to plead it right anchor uh-huh and how to handle it. I've been doing it for since ninety two so they asked me to write it and I've been I think it's been five six seven years We just updated the chapter Recently so and and your website where people are getting help on issues if they've suffered a dog bites or An accident some site. That's eight five five. Mike Wins. Got It either go. Hey Mike what. kind of responsibility or exposure do police departments have with their canine units. You know their their dogs. I mean there's mistakes happen sometimes. We we read about them and see him on the news from time to time What is what is their responsibility ability? While they have the same responsibility anybody They have to keep keep the dogs a far enough distance and safe but I've never ever handled a case against the police department for a dog biting A person and They probably have some immunity. Governmental agencies have immunity unity unless it's gross negligence and so I've not seen it and I think the police officers and sheriff's and everybody who who have ah canines do a pretty good job of keeping them safe. I think people don't go up to those dogs and pet him and a dog goes and attack somebody because they're chasing chasing them That'd be pretty funny to have that person to the police department for hurting them with the dog so I can't remember a case in my years of doing it doesn't mean it doesn't happen but I don't have that You know something that happens quite often. When I was a kid I worked at a pet cemetery and funnier by the MILLBRAE? I know we. We had a lot of Dogs had to be Kinda set. Aside dogs that had had died because Various police departments thirteen home or a going to shoot the dog shoot The the family dog now. You know police officer you're looking for somebody. Glad you're doing doing. His job. Looks like an intruder to a dog and you know the police officer doesn't have a whole lot of time to do a lot of thinking about this and dogs get Get get shot told me this story before. This is new. Oh yeah that I worked at which is kind of amazing because we've been hanging out for like twenty five years so this is a Wow Okay so Okay so Police officer comes over and looking for somebody you know. That's jumping through yards. And you you let your dog out to a to us do business and The police shoot your dog. What Same thing some sort of immunity either fats are part of the family right. I mean. That's we consider him part of the family but when you get down to the legal one and two of its pets are property. I mean you're right I mean and you took the words out of my mouth in Michigan. Other states are becoming a little bit more Progressive Illinois but in Michigan A dog a cat cat is treated just like a couch. A a piece of furniture A painting Which I vaguely remember the nineties? I reading about that and and seeing if we could challenge that law. It's just it makes just no sense and it's still the case today You know in in a divorce proceeding. They certain states treat them like a family member uh-huh in Michigan they're treated like Chattel And Michigan does not recognize custody or support for pets Ownership is given to one of the parties in a divorce and and they can make any decision they want without input from the other. There's there's not joint custody there's a and it's getting more contentious. According to my friends who divorce. So it's it's It's a problem and so it's a problem in divorce. It's a problem in You know if somebody hurts a dog or kills a dog you know people always call. What about the pain and the the the emotional that I've gone through because it drunk driver killed my dog and I want it? I've always wanted to be able to sue. I'm for that emotional tests because I know the emotional attachment Anybody with an animal knows emotional attachment. My children would be devastated if if if our dog got her by somebody else's negligence but you're entitled to a couple hundred bucks it's horrible the laws horrible but you know You mentioned that the the laws are changing In fact we read a story story. This is years ago Jamie were. I don't know if it was a municipality in California or the whole state of California they took the term pet owner completely really out of their lexicon. It's not a pet owner. It's a pet custodian or but because I the the the relationship is changing at least you know emotionally nationally. You know and I don't know maybe it'll bleed over to some Legal precedent or some legal ramifications of that PAT owner. There's difference being an owner. You know being an owner and being in a custodian or a caretaker right so At what point I mean You know I the the rights at a pet has. It's pretty much a custodial all right where you have the rights of their own to actually that they could You could You know implement somehow right I mean how how. How does that work with animals? I mean we've seen Even the the the language when animals are killed. Now a Lotta Times you'll see language like you know the dog was murdered. uh-huh not killed dispatched. It was murdered. So there's a lot of languages kind of that's assigned more and more like you know Animal Rights Gone Wild. Also I mean I I don't I you know it does feel like people are more compassionate and more understanding but the laws are slow to change wjr and I don't know in my career if I'm ever GONNA see the laws in Michigan change where you can You know sue for the loss of an animal But I do have some advice for your listeners if they if they're entering into a new relationship or marriage some some things that they can do like if you WanNa go through those. Yeah because I had my for my practice wife And we had a cat. The cat attacked So when when we parted ways. Hey I get the dog so I got to keep Kirby and But she had the right to visit him and we work that into the agreement although that really wouldn't have held Legal water you're saying. Is that that part of our agreement was just a just a an agreement on our part. That wasn't a probably legally binding. The cat was probably mine. I told her to go away. There's different factors first of all all patent ups like pre-nup a pet not up. You like I like that. It'll be enforced if it's drafted with enough detail in signed by. Both parties came in my friend. Nancy stolen attorney a pet nup. You like that Patna. I Yeah I mean it's it's going to be a thing you. Yeah Oh man you are Elza vill now that language language exempt languages that leaves a lot of wiggle room detail. What does that mean? I don't now but I'll give you some things lighten over. I got my license plate now. That's my license. The pet will be given. I mean let's say in a divorce divorce. There's no pet up and you have a dog and you both want the dog. Okay right that you see that happening. And let's see agree on all the millions of dollars allers in the house and the children but you can't agree on Fido The pet will be given to the Party Corp believes should have it but emotional attachment to it is of no concern. Some factors the court could consider when deciding. I'm reading here from some legal precedent is number one whether the pet was brought into the marriage by one part the other. You mentioned that with your cat. Which party spends the most time with the pet which party primarily cares for the pet? Which party is better able to care for the pet financially whether the pet is or has been mistreated by one of the parties and whether any children under the home that attached to the pet so I think those are all really interesting factors that your listeners could could think about and they listen if they're thinking about getting divorced they may want to start doing some of these things things more before the divorce can argue to the judge that they should have the animal or the hamster or fair it over the the other person but I think you know when I was doing research for your for your show today I thought that was pretty darn interesting? Yeah well at least one of us did research the shit you know. I'm a lawyer. That's what we I. I mentioned the the microchip company that we have a call center and we get letters from lawyers on a very regular basis. Where The couplets up. Oh and helped me find my fat. No no no the the microchip registration which means nothing as far as ownership or any legal Lawyer calls as we want want this changed. You can't have this and the spouse the spouse's name people fight over. People fight over whose name microchips going to be enrolled under and You know so we pretty much tear these things up more fighting going on us like the smiths are at it again. But it is a point of contention I'll tell you that it's it's very emotional Maybe in some families maybe as emotional as the children. You know that you know what to do with the kids right there. There is definitely more and more fighting adding About around pets And you know the best like you know the best way to do it is to talk Ahead of time about about about you know what you want to do with the the pet And you know you could. You could draw some things up you could talk about Scheduling where the animal goes you know. Maybe they go with the kids back and forth There are such things as You can estate plan for your pets you could set up trusts for your pets So I mean there's lots of things that you can do. I don't think a lot of married people or even people who are dating. Think much about it. They get a dog they get a cat they don't think much about it Or horse intruders case. And then you You get married. which obviously they don't get much thought to that either and then the first time the first time and then and then they they're getting divorced and what about? This dog is seven eight year old dog. They love who gets. That's it I mean. Marriage is important. You only do it three times in your life. That's it three four. You got to be considering awful. I know a couple that I won't mention that. I think the girlfriend is staying with the boyfriend because she does because she loves the dog. I know that that's true. Case well dog to get the girlfriend. It's your own fault. That's when I'll tell my friends. Yeah it's that's all you need. You brought up the The trust and the estates. I'm sure it doesn't happen. As much in Michigan does say California but once in a while you hear about this reclusive of millionaire who leaves like thirty million dollars to their cat setup. We read an article about Oprah who set up like this massive trust for her dogs for you know that if if they if if the dog's outlive her and the the dump doesn't even know what a Gulfstream is. So how can they use the money aside for. I wonder how she traveled. How once and she's gone and she's going to let the dogs on the planes that she has? Yeah you can. You can set up trust with day to day care and what your wishes are type of food and shelter and exercise size and Vet Services and then you have to trust protector and a trustee who make sure that all of these things are carried out there should be number there should be money involved And put into this trust and the instructions have to be detailed and directed. And it's this is another thing that I learned when I was researching for your show pet trusts under Michigan law. Last until all of your pets pass twenty one years old or I'm sorry die or reach twenty one years old whichever is shorter so while your dogs and cats easily be taken care of for their entire lives alternative arrangements you need to be made for animals will with longer life. Spans such as horses Turtle Heritz Harris's turtles. So That's interesting. That's another Weird Michigan in twenty one years. I just heard he's twenty one years old forty years old. Just let the turtle. Just walk down the streets north the turtle family for one hundred now sixty years five years later twenty one years it expires. I who the heck wrote data to be made no sense who who kicks out a twenty twenty one year old with a diamond collar. You're twenty one on your own. Go to college out of the House so well you talk to you. Do you have a dog right now. I do. I have a sweet little dog named Jesse. She's about five years old Michigan Humane Society Rescue. She's a terrier Mutt. It who my girlfriend did do DNA testing on just curious about what percentage. She's really. Yeah the pit bull twenty. She's like fifteen fifteen pounds of dog. The love of our life and I'm a huge advocate for the dogs and cats at the humane society. I I Unfortunately judge the people who go out into the stores and spend thousands into dollars when these dogs and cats really need I. That may not be popular. What they just said no but I I? As long as animals that need adopting please adopt and don't l. by when those dogs and cats are GonNa go to the stores knock yourself out. Yeah absolutely you know. Last week we interviewed Wayne Pacelle. Sally Sally Sally the a former. CEO of Humane side United States and I mean we've been doing the show a long time. And he said there's a very active trade Up to forty thousand horses a year Get slaughtered I mean are are given a candidate. There's sold in Canada some delicacy. Canadians are weird but What do you call right? Where's their voice? Where's who speaks for them in what It just seems like a shame. Forty thousand in horses. He said they're perfectly healthy. These are wild horses at around up by the Bureau of Land Management and they Just slaughtered for Food I guess who speaks for the Canadian horses. I I write expand the mountie force but my I wanted to talk about your animal advocacy because You were sponsoring a segment on one of the local news channels. It was Okay Okay I wasn't sure head of the week so yeah you do to the pet of the week. You're not there but you just it's your names okay. Outta Channel Flyer visit what we do is the couple of clips I saw you earn. What is all right? I didn't know this Or I was naive to this but some people want animals and can't afford the option fees and I wanted to bring the families and make new families come together and I want to encourage adoption so what we did is we said okay the featured animal of the week. We're going to pay the adoption. MM fees and in whatever extra fees so they can just if they if they if they're qualified they get to take home. The animal free of charge I pay for it. And they they get they get to increase their family and give a pet a home. So we're still doing it. On what days truly is that on days. Days but Tuesday's typically is a pretty standard day Last year in two thousand nineteen. There were forty pets that we paid adoption fees awesome. So we we we do post. Those are new podcast on our Youtube Channel YouTube dot com slash Mike. Moore's law firm. We have We put those other in Tuesday's so you see the little animals. Were doing one or two podcasts. A week that we're letting go on that podcast channels so I'd love your listeners to check it out you guys should check it out and we like I said we have pep around there recently and you know some other really interesting people because you just you just launch podcast. You're like what fifteen episodes or something open like this. We just started in November. I did a little very little kid. I I like you guys were doing this forever. It's fun time flies. The audiences have been really nice. And we got lucky with we've had a couple Shows where we've had almost two hundred thousand downloads for one episode Because we head got Chris Hansen closets jumping out of class catch pedophile Good work and so. We're having just having and fun. Yeah Yeah it's it's it's a lot of so but it's not it's not all about the law it's Kinda like a Detroit focus and just kinda lifestyle we had yes. Yes the answer's Yes. We had We had chief Dunlap. Who's a Wayne County? Sheriff who's in charge of the jails we wanted to talk to him about the Epstein murder to see if that was even possible fascinating David Conversation. We had a guy who's stars. TV show called wrong man. His name was Todd thirty five years on the Detroit Police Force Talking about his crazy stories stories and he was charged with murder back twenty five thirty years ago and I mean so I and then I have my lawyers on to talk about certain legal things but You know that's that's exciting in. Its own way but I also WanNa just practice my interviewing skills an interview interesting people and try to get out their stories and find out why they're doing what they're doing and so far it's working and I don't know what direction the show will Ultimately go but we're just trying to interview interesting people right now. That's the thing about podcast when you get started. It's like what you man. I started one called the man cave. Happy Hour and our concept to what it is now year and a half later. It's an entirely different animal. Jane taking anyone you guys just drink alcohol. Yeah I have. We started drinking alcohol and smoking cigars. We've dialed it back. Allow that back. I I've I've watched them my liver marijuana podcast but all they do is they sit around and they smoke pot all day and talk about whatever I mean. There's there's there's crazy podcasts we we haven't we haven't gotten there yet. We're just talking middle of the day for Wednesday afternoon. But it's been fun. Mike you had mentioned something about Advocating for adoption one of animals. What about folks? That are more wanting to foster animals. What is little galaxy for? Fostering an animal for a short period of time. What should people look out for well? I'm sure that Michigan Humane Society. which has an avid practice They probably have rules so they probably make sure you have insurance and they probably make sure you know what you're doing ensure they don't just give animals to anybody to foster because that's a tough job I do know I think I think Matt mentioned on the show. A very large percentage. I don't remember the number fosters. Keep the animal after they foster which is pretty obvious cute dog you love it for six ten weeks you've nursed back the health you're keeping that dog with an exchange student and very well. The Swedish government's call is crazy. All Right Brian you want to show off a little bit. Yeah yeah all right so we're GONNA throw a behavior question to to Brian and see if you can handle it. Truly what we'd do you help. We help people with their pet. So do you have a tried and true. This comes from stinky me. Do you have a tried. And true tip other than taking the dog to the groomer rumor or the vet for nail trimmings without all the drama. My last dog would scream like a banshee. Even if I touched his paw at the clippers anywhere near doc I told to to get them accustomed to it. But it's it's just not working for me Mozart is My new dog Mozart. Yep Mozart Art I was able to start without any mishaps but now that he's a little older very resistance to getting the nails trimmed. I've never cut him And what can I do to make him. This is one of the easiest things even with cats. You can teach a cat except having Nilsson. Here's the problem with it. You go to cut the dog's nails. What's the first thing you do? Hey help me help me hold the dog now right and everybody gets getting here. Get the pillowcase do you live there. I was part of the problem because people bring that stress into that that whole thing and if you know the the dog doesn't know your language so you can't I'd say hey I want you to calm down a second. Cut Your nails. It's not going to hurt No what do we do. We manhandled them and we try to force forces situation. So here's what you do it's the the processes is called desensitizing. So if the dog is already afraid of the nail clippers what you do. Is you associate the. You'RE GONNA Change Association nations so if he has a bad association with Nail Clippers you show them the nail clippers and give them a treat right away. Even if it's five feet away just shortly nail clippers appear and you give them a tree you do that enough and it changes the association. No different than the Pavlovian experiment with the bell in the food. So it's it's exactly exactly the same all you're doing is changing it and then you work at closer and closer this we take you three days. Maybe ten minute session here there and use a treat that the dog doesn't normally get or you wouldn't normally normally given like little pieces of hot dog or something. That's just really special. So you bring the clippers out you. Show him the clippers and you give them a treat and then work your way closer and closer to the nails you know and and then at that point. You're touching the nails not not holding the dog down at all. You'll be able to cut the dog's nails while he's sitting there without holding. The dog at all grows hotdogs though just a little tiny years ago I I don't I don't like needles. I don't like shots. I had an operation Asian to take some growth out of my out of my neck anyways When it was when it was done the the nurse came in and said you know? Here's this button. If the pain it gets too bad hit the button and we'll come in and we'll give you a shadow something I said well I'm not gonNA be using that because I don't like shots halfway through the night I I you know about three. In the morning she took the button away from can only do it got to forty five minutes. Because why because they had leverage on me the had leverage and and I was able to end the the needle even though I'm afraid of it The pain going away was was stronger. So a dog will respond to the strongest stimulus in. Ah Immediate vicinity. So if the strongest stimulus says he's afraid nothing you do is going to work but the strong stimulus as a special treat Then he's GonNa Start Changing. His mind is so what that's that whole situation Means to them and I thought you were to say that when the nurse came in to take the bus and she started giving you a little hot dog dress. Ah I learned that trick. I understand where you're going all right Mike. We pick on you a little bit worse. All right fair play met we want to back door fiction. You decide so we have here from two are absolutely true. One is completely false one written by me earlier when she's in great shape in two hundred six to the show. All right here we go so three headlines Matthew. Do you have a headline. I do headline number one five. Ion Dog get are they new leash on life and headline number two right ahead. I number two living. Robots built using broad cells. Okay and headline number three. CIA CIA CIA may resurrect spike cat and dolphins programs so three headlines. Bet Let's Redo these one more time so two or three one. What is false headline number one? Five bionic dogs get new leash on life all right number. Two living robots built using fraud cells and and The CIA may resurrect spy cat and dolphin programs which is the false back with the CIA. Ha you would be correct a winter. That's why we're there eh actually have a joke. It's actually an animal show so I was not prepared to tell a joke I just show can actually no but you you before you do that math how to do something. I'm going to read on this whole five mile. No no you were gonNA play the other thing the other thing. Yeah surprise surprise surprise. It's about about Oh that time it's time for the bad animal joke of Luik. Tell the bad I actually. He's like four you. Could you could get talented if you don't so no actually Not Prepared so so. This guy's driving down on the road in rural Arizona and fees assigned Outside of kind of garage sale area he says scientists talking dog five dollars so he pulls into this parking lot. And there's an old guy sitting on a chair and and he says hey man. Where's that talking dog? He's a he's out back so he goes out and he sees a dog he says. Yeah I bet you the talking hockey dog and the dog says yeah. I'm the talking dog. He said what are you doing here is. I've had a long life. You know I went to college and then I worked for the TSA PSA for many years. And I was Inspecting at the airport and I worked the CIA for actually three years doing some spy work. And then I worked worked and then I moved on and I worked in a restaurant jobs and now I'm here and he said Oh. Well that's that's an interesting story so he goes back to see the old man he says. Hey why are are you selling that talking dog for five for five bucks. He says that dog. That dog's a fucking liar. He never worked at a see okay. That's much better than the average the F. Word podcast. You can all right so I I had a couple. I had a couple of bad jokes too. So why don't dogs like to call cats as witnesses in court cases. Why Jamie cats usually end up? Doc doing perjury. They are bad they usually are bad. It's bad cancer bad. All right. Why don't you have another job? Why dogs do well as prosecuting attorneys? Because they roll over. But I'm sorry I did. I did write these. I'd normally pull them out of the Internet deep dive. I couldn't find attorney pet jokes crap. All right Do pet owners blamed the cat instead of the dog for damaging the house. When they're gone? Why is that? They have probable claws all right last one. I saw this is. Why do dogs make bad defense attorneys because when the judge throws a case out they bring it back cute cute all right remind me off the record will be here? I'm not telling the pair Tokat Fair. All right that's GonNa about do it Animal Talk Radio Talk Radio DOT COM Like subscribe leave a comment Mike. Five eight five five. Mike Wins Sir. All right eight five five. Mike means DOT COM and The podcast is open mic podcast dot com channels. It's audio visual. I like that as well. Yeah spiders share. It showed my all right. So thank you. Thank you so much We're GONNA take off having exotic week. Hey and kiss your wilding for me.
COVID-19 Help for CA People & Pets
"It's chaos CEO pet radio. I'm David Coursey. Sabrina Ashton is here from the Humane Society of the United States. She is the California state director right after the news at the top of the hour. I have a statement from the police. Chief Andy Mills here in Santa Cruz talking about enforcement of Kovic nineteen restrictions. We'll play that before. The program begins right out of the news. We're very fortunate. I think they have a good police department. In fact we have good police departments here in the central coast. And we'RE GONNA play Andy statements about three minutes right out of the news. Sabrina Kovic nineteen is a big deal for our animals. And I am heartened and I. I can't generalize but I do see these heartening reports of people stepping up to foster animals so that we empty our shelters. Yes but it's one of the measures that I was going to talk about with you. We are doing so much outreach with uh people to foster and adopt during these uncertain times. We were concerned that shelters would be having to close or lay off employees. And so we really wanted to do a big push for people to Step up and adopt and foster. We also wanted to get the message out that during this time where people are home where people are Their kids are home right now. From school there homeworking at and during this uncertain time that this would be a great source of love and support and companionship. Both for the person and the pet and so we're still heartened by all the stories that we've seen from around St and around. The country of shelters really emptying out as people are adopting fostering which is such wonderful news from all of this but I have go ahead. Go ahead go ahead continue. We've also seen really innovative measures taken by shelters and rescues doing drive through adoption foster training online and things of that nature so that people can still feel comfortable going and picking up shelter and rescue animals even while we are complying with state orders officially distancing and not being around people in public. I'm really heartened that we're doing well. Bud I am very concerned that a moment of inattention to getting these animals out of the shelter in reducing the number of animals that go into the shelter. That's going to end up hurting us. Particularly as this extends and extends yes we want to make sure that we are keeping up the efforts and we have launched a big social media campaign about this because we know that even as the shelters are doing right. Now they're also filling backed up with people who are ill and unable to take care of their pets or people who because of the economic downturn Might not be able to take care of their pets any longer. And so we really are cognizant of the fact that we are going to keep seeing shelter spill up and so we want to stay on this message that it's so important more so now than ever to foster and adoptive people can and I want people to know that if they are having trouble finding a shelter or a match in their area that they can reach out to me and happy to match them up with a shelter in their region so My email address again is s Ashton. It's S. A. S. H. J. A. and Humane Society Dot Org. I also wanted to share some other things that were doing so the humane society. Put out a code resources. Toolkit if anybody would like to utilize that it is Some helpful frequently asked questions as well as specific tools and tips for shelter and rescue partners. That's on our website as humane society dot org and I as state director have implemented a couple of projects to help around the state so one of them is called help for the helpers at the shelters and this is delivering care packages even virtual care packages to shelter workers. Animal control workers to thank them for their work during this time as well as expanding on this too All first responders medical personnel and people who are putting themselves on the front lines for us so I have wonderful volunteers from humane society around the state of California. Who are working on this one. The next one we're doing is a shelter wishlist. So I know we've all seen the Christmas trees at the malls during the holidays with Wish item for charities and so we are starting one for the shelters in our state to provide wishes for their locations of their most urgent needs. And so if any of your listeners would like to participate in that they can reach out to me and the third item that I'm working on is pairing up. Foodbanks pet food bank so that if people need to get food and pet food they can do it in one location also trying to figure out ways to do no contact liveries in rural areas or for people who can't leave their homes so those are some of the big items that we are working on to help out in our state and do the best. We can for this crisis to make sure that everyone is staying safe and healthy and That we are helping our communities. S. S. Sheehan A. S. H. J. I a. n. At Humane Society Dot. Org if you need to contact or one context. There's a lot of opportunities later in the program. We're going to talk to Palo Alto humane which is a humane. Society doesn't run a shelter and that for I mean that kind of threw me for a loop for just a what is it humane society. Do if they don't run a shelter. Well we're GONNA talk about all of those things. You don't run a shelter Sabrina. But you have all of these support programs some of which support shelters but you don't actually run a shelter yourself and H S. Us doesn't run shelters yourself but you do an awful lot to work with and support. Shelters people have any questions about what we work on the M happy to reach out to them and explain it and People are also welcome to follow us on our facebook page at HSS US California on our website the US blog. And I had I had never really looked at it before. And there's so much good stuff in the well. Written beautifully put together and important issues about companion animals in trophy hunting. Yes if I could slip in one quick question sure I I wanted to ask Has Your Organization dealt with any and also taking your personal experience from this Any events similar to this outbreak that we're currently dealing with like in terms of lake reducing operations hampering resources like every struggle that you're encountering now has been something of similar magnitude. Historically I know that during the hurricanes especially Hurricane Katrina but with trying to get pets out of the region and provide assistance. That is one that are animal. Rescue teams have been Using a model what they've learned in best practices from nine in terms of how we can best be assisting during this crisis the northern California the Campfire where multiple shelters were opened up. And at one time they were looking after something like a thousand animals and then managed to get most of them back to their owners are rehome and their previous animals. Some of them came down to Santa Cruz that were already in the shelter. Were already adoptable. Bud We're taking up space up there. So they came down here and they were adopted by local. Santa Cruz eons. Again there are occasions now. We are all all the time. Sabrina thank you so very much. Go over and see the issue as blog and see what all they do. Sabrina we'll have you on and another three or four weeks. The way things seem to be working out I appreciate it.
Pawd Cast: Sabrina Ashjian, CA State Dir., HSUS
"WHOA come to our program? You've just started about you. Started about a week ago two weeks ago. Yes this is my third week And I'm very excited to be on your show and to be talking with all of your listener today about the work that we're going to be doing. Thank you for having me. Well thank you so much for coming on and thank you you and thank. Oh in any case. If I went through the whole list of people that we probably have on every six months there would be there would be a long list there and I really do appreciate Having them now is your job. First of all you used to be a prosecutor right. I did yeah. I worked in a consumer fraud and environmental protection unit and so while in that unit I handle cases with California Department of fish and wildlife involving animal animal protection and environmental protection. And so this involved cases of illegal hunting poaching inhumane treatment of animals and into I was the recipient of their the California Department of fish and wildlife did does a prosecutor of the year award and so I was there. Twenty sixteen recipients congratulations. I Chile Shins. We need more prosecutors on the wildlife side of things. It can be hard. It can be hard for us. Pet people to get any enforcement. It's even harder if you're calling in about wildlife John Lewis. Okay now your job go ahead. What was going to say one the aspects about the position that I'm excited about is pursuing training with law enforcement and regulatory agencies as to all of the great wins that were having with legislation to make sure that those bills are actually enforced? Yeah I'm real concerned about prop twelve not being enforced. It didn't look like prop two who was being enforced very well and now we have even better prop twelve bud in. I've had this talk with your campaign person and the people kind of hope that the big companies will get behind it and we'll do the right thing but yes maybe they will right right and so that's something we're going to be looking at and how to work with The different enforcement agencies to explain to them how to pursue these cases so that will be one exciting aspect of the job. And you have the background tell people and other lawyers how to pursue these cases and you have experienced doing that yet. And that's one aspect that I'm looking forward to it interesting to the legislative work. That will be doing your. What else do you do you work with the state legislature but you also have the development and donor relations kind of a role? Yes exactly and all of the volunteer management. We are fortunate in California to have more than one hundred volunteers all in tears and so a lot of the work will be working with those volunteers to You know get out there and Be Making the change that we all Wanna I want to see so There's a little bit of legislative. Work some Trainings with law enforcement and donor and volunteer engagement. So it's a really exciting vision. mccollum really pleased to be participating with the Humane Society of the United States. Well welcome welcome. Welcome now all at Laura ask her first question because I just lost my third one Laura go ahead I just register. Your background is absolutely amazing. Are there certain areas that you want to focus on. I mean you're you're very diverse in which you know get so I am. I mean I'm excited about all of it. I'm really excited about the legislative work that we're going to be doing. We've really had a banner year with legislation this past year with how many bills the governor past regarding animal welfare and so I'm hoping that next year will be even better and that will have even more bills Jones that we passed. And hopefully I'll be back on the show to When we have our new legislative priorities to be able to share with you and your audience how everybody can get involved involved or you're always welcome if you'd like me to tell you about a couple of the big bills just passed? I'm happy to share that all we've had the big successes. Let's talk about them definitely yet. So assembly bill forty four with the ban on the sale and manufacture picture of her in the State of California that was put forth by assembly member. Laura Friedman and we are so excited that we are now. The first state in the nation to ban have banned the Salem manufacturer Burr and we hope that other states will start to follow suit now in the next coming years and that gets underway away. At what twenty. Twenty two or twenty. Three twenty two okay so we have two years before that all start and are we expecting legal legal challenges and stuff from the industry you know we have not seen that. We've seen a lot of companies if you've seen this week with macy's as in many others have been Coming forward and saying that they are voluntarily putting a stop to their sale and manufacture of birds. And and we're seeing that with so many designers and So we're hoping that we're hoping that there will not be challenges that they will voluntarily move into more the humane for free methods of production. We're not wild about pita on this program but I'll go with their slogan for is dead and hopefully it will be dead in California. Once this law goes into effect. Yeah and so that the the reason for the twenty twenty two is to allow for the transition edition for businesses that are in that Field to move to more humane treatment and production methods for their work. Ah Go ahead finish. Share the next one but you jumped ahead of me go right ahead. We're GONNA talk about Bob Cats. Yes assembly built spoke fifty four awards about with all by assembly member come love or dove also in southern California and The I bands the trophy hunting of Bob Cat so were so thrilled. Robot was also signed into law and so Over ten thousand Bob. Cats have been killed in California over the past ten years and so this will put a stop to that. We're we're very excited that the governor signed this Laura. Will there be other species soon that that you'll start banning you know we have not looked at that yet but but this was a big win Given the fact that we have previously banned the killing of mountain lions a couple of years ago. And so this is. This is some great news it really is if you get on the mailing list for legislative alerts. HFS will send you while you can push a button and send an email are in some cases even call your legislator and I sent to emails one for each bill to the governor and I was pleased to do that and I send thank you emails after. He signed the bills and good good news for animals. That's wonderful thank you. Yes We we we will be sending out as we have our new bills for next year legislative alerts for how people can get involved in terms of if they are more comfortable tweeting leading or you know writing emails or writing. Handwritten letters or cards to their legislators making phone calls going person and we appreciate all of that. We appreciate gate. That and the doctor always welcome so thank you for doing that. We're very fortunate to have a pro animal governor. And I'm fortunate to live with a congressman who is pro animal as well who replaced a pro animal Republican. I was in district and as much as I. I didn't like things that Jeff Denham supported. He and I were really close on animal issues. Yeah he was. He was the good Republican on Animal. All issues and I've told the staff of our new congressman. I said you know if it was just animals I would have voted to reelect Jeff Denham. Oh you gotta do well by animals or we're going to have problems and they're doing well by animals and I am impressed with Josh harder. Who is my new congressman? I used to be in a democratic district. It got moved around so it became a Republican district. Now it's Democrat district again. We'll see if it's still that way in in two years Laura up in Beautiful Columbus. WHO's getting a book tomorrow? I just saw that it ships. I'm sending Laura a copy of dogs. Love dog is clive. Wins New Book. And you'll get theft tomorrow sometime other questions for Sabrina. Are you involved at all with like With the evacuation of the animals with the fire in any way or not in your realm we are going to put out a facebook alert. Just notifying people of a proper methods and mechanisms that they can use for uh-huh Year to make sure that they keep their pets safe and how to evacuate safely with pets. Were we've just seen in the past couple of years with so many tragedies around in the country that There's a real need for making sure that we have plans in place for our pets. So we're going to work on that. Yes being after the campfire. US did organize the longer term shelters where many animals at one one time they had fifteen hundred at once wants in. I forget exactly where it was but a lot of that was organized by Humane Society of the United States and some of the other national organizations Zeh Shins and they did good work with that. I think in this case right now yeah we probably are going to need a big shelter at some point. I asked about that that for one of our regular participants Calling combs who is runs a rescue and boarding facility up in Windsor and and they all got out there up in hop land. She believes that all of the animals that are with rescues and stuff got out of Windsor and Highway One oh one is closed etc etc but yeah having pre staged I wanna get one of the rescue xpress. Buses pre staged up here because they had one hundred and three dogs of all sizes that they had to rehome yesterday through day between about two and three and four and five in the afternoon. Wow It's good to hear that they're all were. Were moved safely way. Better than tastic news and I do know the Humane Society of the United States does deploy throughout the country for these rescue efforts. Way Elitist see if they're going to be doing that in this case yes they do and I have talked to the woman who runs our did run. That program was name whose name I can't quite pronounce. And we've talked to people who are on that were on the ground after the hurricanes and floods on the east this coast and we've talked to people here in California occasionally after the campfires so it is K.. Seo Pet radio. I'm David Coursey. Sabrina say your last name Ashton perfect. I I WANNA say Ashton but I'll try really hard not to she is a former prosecutor has become the state director of the Humane Society of the United States in California. How many states have staff like you do here here in California? How many how many other states? Yeah how many other states have a fulltime state director Most of the other states do at the there are a couple of vacancies but every state should have director and we actually got to meet all last week For Training in Washington. DC We all came together to talk about best practices and our priorities for the year ahead so it was wonderful to team up with all of the other state directors from around the country to see what they're working on. Laura your turn. I'm I'm still thinking about the The evacuation but what are you finding similarities throughout with all the other directors where you can have like tanks about how to handle certain things is that event going on now to yeah it is and so I just Wonderful part of the position that I didn't even think of until we all got to meet last week And now we're able to come together and talk about some of the same issues that we're facing or for some of the legislation we've passed in California. We can now be a model for other states as to how to how to start to bring forth out legislation so that will be exciting and it's just a great way to work with others throughout the country. Who are facing the same issues and are trying to do the same great work? So you're not you're not reinventing the wheel and we build a pile of bits. That's cool. Yeah Yeah So. That's one one great aspect that I hadn't even realized until we all got. Let's Meet in person. was you know we're all seeing a lot of the same challenges and issues and and finding best practices and ways of being able to work together so that we're not all operating in our own little silos on the same issues and reinventing the wheel. Well I am very hopeful. Full that other states who do not have the benefit of a pro animal population like we do in California or a pro. Oh animal governor and a pro animal legislature. We have all of those things. We're very fortunate. It's a lot of work and maintaining that is a lot of work but but that makes us so we're the number one st and what's the I'm you haven't been around long enough to know which is the last state I will bet but their most places in the United States do not have the benefit of being California when when we think about animal welfare yes we are very fortunate here and it's great because we can now be beacon for other states to look to as to to you know how to take these laws and implement them because you know the vast majority of Americans want to see more humane treatment of animals and want to see you know what's create a more humane society so we are very pleased to be able to put forth legislation here that we can then try to implement ah the country and prop twelve could be a model for other states. It would be great to see prop twelve by the way which st humane humane standards for farm animals being pigs and veal calves and chickens set new standards for that some some of the toughest standards in the world. The Meat Industry I bet is going to sue. And they're pushing back real hard but and the and the reason they're so interested is if you're going to sell your livestock in California your meat your eggs or whatever you have to meet these requirements whether you otherwise do business in California are not. It's an amazing thing that we voted on. That is a way that everybody who wants to do business in California has to follow the same humane standards now though. We really do need to get after this. Now that we have a prosecutor here we need to make sure that people are following prop twelve. Yes and that's something we're going to be working on. Yes definitely what do you see. As other issues the California needs to look at so we earn just now starting to Put forth Some of the legislative legislative priorities for the coming year and As we start to get those together I would be happy to come back and share with you. Some ideas that we have and that we're hoping that legislators will start to work on for twenty twenty. Good you're not gonNa tell me now not even any ends uh-huh well I need to send you a list of the last couple of weeks. I think we need to look at shelters again and the whole times and healthcare in shelters I think we need to look at shelters again. Making shelters better places and making sure that shelters have twenty four hour day destinations for animals that are injured hurt or whatever the cops are supposed post to pick them up and take them to the shelter but you can get lots of buck-passing if you try to call when they're telling you go ahead and release the animal. Hell no I'm not going going to release this animal and your your background would be good for getting some getting some movement in terms of providing this right I will look into that thank you for bringing that cruise has a twenty four hour animal control. So there's an officer available all the time in Santa Cruz and I would think the SPCA MC which is the SPCA for Monterey County. But I always say that it's a motorcycle club and they have jackets Atkinson stuff so and I interrupted you. What were you saying when I cut you off? Oh no no I was just GonNa say thank you for bringing that to my attention and if there's other audience that you or your listeners. have of issues that we should be working on. I I look forward to hearing from everybody and you know a big part of this job is going to could be to listen to you. Know people who are interested in these issues throughout the state. I think you will take a look on. Go ahead go ahead. What's it's the best way to reach you by email or or or how? How should people contact you? Yeah so AM I. Email is a first initial last TAME so s action A. S. H. J. I A. N. at Humane Society Dot Org and she will get your email as probably the best way to reach me and I sent lots of e mail to Kristen. Who's been very very helpful rolling getting you on and sometimes we record interviews and we've had really good people on from HP and we really appreciate appreciate it and she's a little bit frustrated sometimes? So I always try to tell her you know what you do is really the important right. It is yeah I mean it's hard when you are doing communications and you're and you're not really in the lines of service necessarily if you understand what I'm saying but you're representing you're sitting up interviews. It's frustrating it's hard hard people hang up on you some. I can't imagine anybody hangs up on her. But she ha- she has a tough job trying to promote and to promote remote against the people in the food industry who just hate hate hate the humane society of the United States. He doesn't wonderful the job she really. We're very fortunate to have her. And I was fortunate to get to meet her last week and work with her in person so I look forward to working with her more and I know that that she thinks highly of you. Well you do. We do good work together and I wish there was more I could do and one one radio show in a small market. Well we're going to post this podcast you can go back and listen to it until your friends and we did lots of that with Prop twelve coverage so that we would have lots of stuff posted which is still posted if you WanNa hear Josh answering prop twelve questions. It's it's still up on our podcast page how this is very beneficial because it can be shared and all of your listeners are are just the people people who are working on these issues throughout the state so we really appreciate this work by if we are really trying and to get people involved and we're going to get lower to become a dog scout leader but that's not really related dog scouts on a couple of weeks ago. What else should we talk? Talk About Sabrina. Before I have to let you go in a couple of minutes and Laura you have time for one more question I can ask now go okay. This is kind of a moral question and I think you're going to be facing these more. I just read about Someone had donated an area for children to swim close to the ocean. Alpi get the best up and they blocked off where the seals were now. All the seals are starting to come into the area and people are getting angry but it really was a place where seals went to before and you know you you know is kind of ethical who who really has the right to be there or is there a way to work together. I mean are we can all work together are in the ecosystem that we all share I. Yes I have not heard that specific issue with this deal but it is something that we do see You know just play out throughout the really throughout the world with regards to animals and people living in harmony together so that that is something that you know. I think that we need to figure out a way to live on really and more and more seems to. Oh you know come into play could be the guerrillas off you know in another area but I was really surprised at Neiman's think about California having that problem. But you know it's it's something we haven't in Ohio 'cause they're getting rid of our farmland but I see now becoming more and more of a problem we have lots of seals and lots of sea lions Ryan's and fortunately we do have a good excuse me a rescue program to help marine mammals. But Okay Sabrina. We have about a minute. What else would you like to say other than send money and visit humane society dot auto or G.? Yes and I love to have you in your listeners volunteer on Take Part in any way that you can I really we WanNa thank you for having me on this show and thank you for the great work that you're doing to all of your listeners. For for being so caring about these issues I know together we can and building more humane society and so I really look forward to continuing the relationship with you and your listeners. It'll be fun. Look forward to meeting you in person. I look forward to meeting. Kristen one one of these days in person but we will get together and you're always welcome on
December 16th: USPS and Polis on COVID HR 2
"It's mornings with kale and northern colorado's voice. Thirteen ten kfi a. Well you thinking about getting a pandemic can't tell you how many folks i've talked to that you know as a result of all of the disruption lockdowns and quarantining hopefully in our rear view at this point in time have done just that. But if you're looking for a furry friend this holiday season well you might not want to overlook the possibilities at the humane society of weld county seventy eight now. Thirteen ten kfi k. A thirteen ten. Kfi f. a. dot com northern colorado's voice mornings with gail from the auto collision specialist duty. As i didn't know this but according to a piece by tamra out of the greeley trip every single year nearly eight million animals end up in shelters and really it's due to no fault of their own sometimes. Well it's because their owners can't care for them other lung any longer other times. It's because their owners perhaps have had to move and can't take their pet with them. Well no matter what situation shelters house some incredible animals that are eager to become part of the family. So if you are thinking of adding a pet to your household the humane society of weld. County has really timely tips to make your journey a pet adoption a smooth one. Sarah sarah witherell With the humane society of weld county says potential. Adopters should consider the amount of time that they have to dedicate to a new for baby. Both has they acclimate the pet to their home and and afterwards after the pet is set up and they should also consider their lifestyle and what type of pet would be the best. Now remember. surprising your partners. Your significant other your spouse with the pat land. That could backfire. So you might wanna make sure that everybody in your household is on board with bring a new furry family member also make sure that Any pets already in your home. Well that they have the ability to acclimate to having a new housemate. Yeah that's pretty key component to it successful adoption whether a went on to say adopters should also consider the estimated lifespan of the companion animal. They're considering remember. Indoor cats can live up to twenty years and dogs dogs. Depending on the breed dogs can live upward of fifteen years. I can attest to that fact. I've now have My third jusu rudy curled up right here at my feet of but my first to shift sues getty and hito hito live to sixteen busy lived to fifteen so you do need to keep that in mind now when looking at animals in the shelter. Remember that the behavior that you see in the shelter cowering perhaps anxious barking or maybe they just don't want anything to do with you. Just remember though that They're out of sorts because that's not their forever home and Pets pretty well able to key into that fact today might be well suffering from loneliness or the. They just can't figure out why they're not curled up in their bed at their former home so remember that. That behavior might not be typical for that dog or cat in a home environment. They might be anxious. They might be suffering from abandonment. So what you wanna do is be open to certain variances such as an animal being more or less active once. It is taken out of the shelter needing time to acclimate to an environment schedules and people and decompressing from being in that shelter environment now whether all suggests that before bringing a newly adopted pet home you might want to adjust your schedule the first few days and weeks following the adoption to work with your pets and provide a predictable routine writing your home by creating an acclamation space. If introducing pet to a home with existing pets and have a plan for introduction to exiting pets family members the overall environment as well as having all the necessary supplies on hand. Don't expect too much immediately from your newly adopted for baby your dog or cat when you take them home. This is Some pretty good advice from fear. Free happy homes. The pet you adopted again might be suffering from abandonment issues emotional trauma and while it may need some time to get used to its new home and it will indeed take them some time to feel safe and secure so you might want to exercise some patients with your new furry friend website also suggests signing up for a training class a few weeks after you and your pat had settled in to help with well any bonding or behavioral issues that might exist. Website says training should be fun for you and your dog. It also speed up the bonding process. Help you communicate and increase overall confidence for your pets as it is adapting to a new environment now while many shelters have a variety of animals from puppies and kittens to adult dogs and cats. Adopting a senior animal. Well it has its own very special benefits and yes perhaps some challenges as well with earl said senior. Animals are typically very comfortable in their personalities. They've grown into them over time. So what adopters seeking shelter might not be as much of a transition and as you might see with a younger dog or cat going into a home. they're also wonderful editions for adopters looking for lower key and less demanding companionship for themselves or their families. Senior animals often overlooked because adopters fear. They won't have the pets very long. However healthy senior animals can live long. Fool lives with our added all pets regardless of age can and will have cost of care associated. So they're encouraging you are thinking about adopting not to exclude those senior animals from your search. Now if you're not ready to pull that proverbial trigger on adopting a pat. But you still want to help the humane society of weld county and its residents. Shelter is welcoming the following items purina one or a similar brand of wet and dry food for kittens adult cats adult dogs and puppies new or gently used blankets and towels paper towels cleaning supplies. Kong rubber. Chew balls jif peanut butter and milk bone treats and of course if you have the time and the temperament and are so inclined might not volunteer shelter. Also has an amazon wishlists that allows folks the purchase items to be sent directly to the shelter. The shelter is located at sixteen forty. Forty second street in evans. It's open from noon to six pm. Monday through friday and from eleven am to five pm saturday and sunday so for more information on how you can adopt a pet from the humane society of weld county or volunteer opportunities or where you can drop donation items simply jump online and go to weld county humane dot org or give mccall nine seven. Oh five oh six nine thousand five fifty seven fifteen now. Thirteen ten k. F. kfi party northern colorado's forks thirteen ten. Kfi the block party wednesdays from four to ten pm at seven thirty three. You hear his chuckle. Yes indeedy do. I got tripped up by the cova de calendar. Talking about Colorado post offices opened the next two sundays. Well actually no no because if you wait until the second sunday well you're gonna be too late but they will be open This sunday keith. Whiteman in now from presidential wealth management. What day is house. I know exactly thank you. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. And when i'm wrong. I say well you were wrong about ignoring it until it becomes a problem and the congress having to big problems face if they continue to ignore them if the congress fails to come to an agreement by friday the government will have to shut down on saturday. And here's a big one. Twelve million people will lose unemployment benefits the day after christmas. It just gets worse doesn't it. I mean that's bad timing. That could be that could be a career ending. thing to let happen and that's why most people are saying there will be an agreement on a second stimulus plan absolutely shut down. You talk about adding insult to injury right. And what's the most important thing to a politician reelected again. Job keeping all cush cush benefits and all that and so out walks. Nancy pelosi chuck schumer. Mitch mcconnell kevin mccarthy after meeting. It went until ten o'clock last night and they all emerged with positive comments about an agreement. There were no specifics. Except for maybe mitch. Mcconnell who said the senate will remain in session until there is an agreement christmas or not second verse. same as the. That's real easy to say when you know once a common. Yeah exactly. that's the way interpret. But there was no puff of white smoke coming from nc pelosi's chamber sort of a like maybe an indicative puff of smoke from stanley black and decker stanley. Black and decker out saying if the second stimulus is plan is passed and happens. Their revenue could grow by ten percent next year. And think about that. That's home projects. That's construction Construction equipment and the end those things where they sold sold at home depot and lowe's and that just that's the ripple effect through the economy. So you take that you throw in the upbeat news and the vaccines throwing a five percent rise in apple stock and this morning the dow adding to its three hundred forty point game yesterday but that upward move in the markets this morning tempered somewhat by a less than expected report on retail sales. Us retail sales fell for the second straight month retail. Sales fell one point. One percent in november one tenth of one percent in october those drops in retail sales were the first since the month of april when we were in a recession because of the government shutdown. So is the second verse same. As the first week we hope not and the markets this morning tempered by that retail sales news the dow industrial average up now nine points a thirty thousand two hundred eight. The s. and p. is up a fraction at three thousand six hundred ninety. Three and the nasdaq up. Four points you see little if if any movement in the markets and they're moving either side of where they closed yesterday. The nasdaq twelve thousand. Five hundred ninety nine. The fed will release. Its latest statement on the economy shortly after noon mountain. Time today Nobody expects any surprises. Expect the fed to keep interest rates. their bellwether interest rate near zero. Into the actually. I was gonna say the near but it's not the near into the distant future until there is significant recovery in the economy. And that's about it so far this morning If you want to look at Your retirement plan and see if you are See if it can weather all of this That's going on and all the uncertainty and it will carry you into the future and you'll be able to enjoy life for the rest of your life. Give me a call at our level and office of presidential wealth management at nine seven zero seven seven. Six seventy five hundred. Let's just start with answering questions. Sounds like a plan because you love answering questions do particularly the existential ones keith. Whiteman presidential wealth management. Thanks so much coming up Governor jared polis clarifies his Statewide mask order amending the The wording in that order because well like many things cove nineteen related. It was a little bit confusing. This as he unveils a plan to get kids back into the classrooms during the spring semester. We'll have the details coming up. Dan patrick the whole show in colin coward or a northern colorado's voice thirteen ten kfi k. After mornings with gail stay tuned. For the dan patrick show the whole show. And the herd with colin cowherd only in thirteen ten kfi k. Clarification always of two zero says governor. Police has clarified that statewide mask order amending the wordings. Seven forty two now thirteen ten. Kfi a thirteen. Ten kfi k dot com according to a piece out of k. Dvr kelly sudden governor jared paula's did indeed clarify those mask restrictions for public indoor spaces This happened on monday with an amended executive order. The order requires folks to wear a mask in any public indoor space including people that are standing or sitting a person who is alone in a room. Well you don't have to wear the mask according to this revised order again as we discussed this morning Governor police said that about one in forty people in colorado are currently contagious with covid nineteen and he added. It's important that everyone continued to wear their mass practice social distancing And avoid spending time with people outside of their households. This is what police said when announcing that executive order. Now the governor's you're well aware. I announce the mask mandate on july sixteenth in response to a rising number of covid nineteen hospitalizations in the state. It set to last for thirty days unless extended which indeed it has been. He did that for the first time. In mid august police's executive order requires face coverings to be worn in all indoor public places and it applies to people ten years of age and older this as the governor also getting roasted for that photo op. Has the vaccines arrived in colorado. Yesterday jimmy fallon taking a shot at him on the tonight show. Yeah i'll just let you find that one. And i'd be interested in your thoughts on that because well inappropriate. I think would be the best way to describe it but We'll see what the cancel culture has to say about jimmy fallon on tonight show so far crickets but governor police unveiling a plan to get kids back into the classrooms during the spring semester and We talked about this just a little bit yesterday. Didn't really get into the details but time permitting we'll do that this morning. this as weld r. e four school district secondary students are slated to resume that hybrid schedule in january and greeley evans school districts. Six plans to return all students to im- person learning in january. But yeah governor. Jared polis educational officials unveiled a plan just yesterday that aims to get students back into classrooms during the upcoming winter and spring semester was ensuring public health safety. And it didn't take long for really evans. School districts six and weld r. e. four to say yes. Thank you very much And of course corona virus permitting in an ever changing time of covid nineteen. Yes we want to get our kids back into school. Now governor police along with members of a back to school working group. That's governor established in november said that multi layered health safety measures are key to getting kids especially in grades kindergarten through fifth grade. Back to in person learning specific action steps polsat are part of the Roadmap to impersonate learning. That was released just yesterday. Those steps include prioritizing. Ah testing for school. Staff expanding contact tracing capacity for schools continued mask wearing regular symptoms screening. Effective co hoarding. Continued social distancing effective ventilation ventilation such as something as simple as an open window and continued hand. Washing governor police said during a briefing just yesterday. Learning loss is a real problem. That kids are facing and it's even more severe for those who are already at risk. He added that those at risk include low income students people of color rural colorado ins. And those who don't have reliable access to the internet poll said that over the past several months it's become clear that schools are relatively low risk environments for the transmission spread of covid nineteen interesting. Because if you take a look back over the trajectory of all of the guidelines and restrictions and lockdowns closures and quarantines seems there is one single solitary area category in which the messaging has been consistent and check me on this. If i'm wrong. But i don't believe that i am the message in has been consistent across the board though it was categorically ignored for so long and that was that children are not responsible for the spread of covid nineteen and when you look at the multitude of impacts that school closures have had on our children particularly their mental health sadly of because they're being force at a time of life when socialization is so important and that's part and parcel of the educational experience. Again i am not digging schools whatsoever. The schools just simply have to do what they're told to do in a time of covid nineteen but socialization is so important to their overall development. And you hear stories about kids that well young children that are actually regressing in any number of ways intellectually physically emotionally. So it's amazing to me that well we known this all along throughout this sweat. Eight nine months since the lockdowns actually began. We've known that kids aren't the spreaders but you also have to factor into the mix the health and safety of the teachers in the schools as well because while many of our learning professionals or of a certain age that might be vulnerable they might have underlying health conditions They might be susceptible to the worst of the corona virus. So it's kind of a tight rope to walk but good news This as a governor police unveiled that plan to get kids back into classrooms. During the spring semester pull us added that although colorado has started receiving fiber visors covid. Nineteen vaccine shipments. Us good news right along. With the rest of the states. Across the nation the plan for reopening schools concentrates only on the near term. Course it is. Subject to change and measures will need to be reevaluated. After those massive vaccination efforts really kick in some fifty now thirteen ten. kfi k. Here mornings with gail weekdays. Six to nine in northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi tastes headlines podcast mornings with gail and more and a schedule upcoming sports. Broadcasters find them at thirteen ten. Kfi josh well. Ray of hope that historic vaccine the vaccination of millions of americans got underway. But dr found she. We've been talking about the fact that there's a lot of misinformation. There's a lot of fears that have been ramped up primarily because of the speed with which this pfizer biontech and now waiting Fda approval on the madonna vaccine. Both of them a two step process. You get one shot you wait three weeks to a month and then you get the second shot. In order to be fully unoccupied inaugurated against covert nineteen but Many concerned about well the safety the side effects and really. We work through that yesterday morning. Yeah there are some side effects to the vaccine. But i don't think they rise to the level of not getting the vaccine so that we can put covert nineteen in the rear view and get on with our lives but there is one group of people that should not get vaccinated this according to dr anthony found she and those are the people who suffer from gaon bahrae syndrome. Dr fauci explained that they should not get the vaccine because well there is a reaction which is a rare neurological reaction to either influenza or the vaccine for and he recommends that people who do suffer from yon bahrae syndrome do not get vaccinated because well the covid. Nineteen vaccine might trigger a similar serious response. Now he went on to say that. Not many people fall into this category adding. You've got to remember that. The number of people Flitted with theon barr syndrome. Barra syndrome is very very small additionally he said people and we talked about this people with a history of extreme allergic reaction should use caution adding that someone who has a history of severe allergic reactions that those individuals don't get vaccinated right now with this product or if they do get vaccinated they do it in a location. That has the capability of responding to an allergic reaction. You just don't want to go and get in a place that has no capability now asked to the side effects once again. I think it bears repeating the average person with no underlying conditions That is not immuno-compromised. Well they'll experience the same side effects for the most degree for the most part as they did with other vaccines. You might have soreness at the injection site. You might feel a little bit fatigued. You might be down for twenty four thirty six hours at the most and you might very small percentage of folks might get a fever that would last for twenty four hours but beyond that there might be some chills as well but it's up to you for my money. Those side effects certainly worth achieving herd immunity and putting this all behind us how. 'bout you nine seven three five three thirteen ten seven fifty seven. Now thirteen ten. Kfi rogue code now. Weekdays at four on northern colorado's voice thirteen ten. Kfi the whole sports story in northern colorado the state in the country tune into the whole show weekdays noon to two and thirteen ten. Kfi k. supreme court on tuesdays sided with high plains harvest church high plains harvest church sued colorado governor. Jared polis over his former capacity limits on in-person worship services during the covid nineteen pandemic high plains harvest church pastor mark who telling weighs in on this victory at eight oh five. Abc news then. 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Paws For Help w/ Devon Apodaca
"Welcome the dog. Save people podcast about how dogs make our lives better. My name is John Bartlett Bartlett in. I'm your host Devon up is the executive director at the Humane Society of Imperial County trying to save one one dog at a time and a rural California community along the US. Mexico border region being an economically disadvantaged area along the border region has met dealing with limited limited resources overcoming language and cultural barriers and managing the ever increasing number of strays and medical emergencies. Pets Devon Highest John. Thank you so much for joining us today. At dog saved people. Tell me a little bit about general your story about your own dogs. When I was seven seven years old? We got our first dog his Tyson and he was a rottweiler and I wanted a brother or sister for years and he definitely filled that space. Sure was my brother. We grew up together. There was pictures of me and him every year until I was maybe like fourteen or fifteen dollars I love it. That would be so great to you. See all the different mixtures of your growing up in him growing up and growing old and he was always there for me when I remember when I was sad because there was neighbor kids that would pick on the OS bullied ally like in elementary school. Middle School High School. I didn't have a lot of people turn to and I didn't have anybody to to really help me go through. I was going through so during a really dark time in my life when I reached out for help instead of a hand I gotta Pau Animals Love. You unconditionally. Love you for who you are the except you wholeheartedly wholeheartedly in. They don't judge people based on. You know physical appearances or anything like that. Yeah I knew. Tyson wasn't just like a pet or he was just something that was there in the housing and knew that he was a living sentient being in that he he felt he loved and he felt the same way that our family felt about him. Dan I understand and yes. I think that dogs animals in general but they see us for who we really are. I believe in they. They're certainly not impressed with us or looking at it sideways. Because we don't look a certain way and I think that that's a beautiful story and I wish that more kids could grow up with animals in in their homes because there is something very special that I think that we learn. I believe that did kind of help mold me kind of steered me in the direction. That wife has taken me. I just remember from very very very young age that I knew that I wanted to work with animals. I wanted to help animals and ultimately my goal was to be a veterinarian. Once they started working at the shelter I remember that very first day I was thinking nineteen years old and yeah I remember thinking to myself being the shelter helping animals in the way that it was helping them does what my mission was that I was put here to do from where I was is a Kennel attendant to becoming executive director at the age of Twenty Six. It's been a life altering experience and for the better. It helped me personally find out who I am and what I want in life what I want for the animals in my community of Slough. That's beautiful good for you. I mean that's an amazing thing and it's an amazing thing to know at such a young age because I think we typically we struggle for a long time to figure out what we're why we're here and what are passionate is and so much of our passions become very self involved in this is the ultimate and selflessness. I really applaud you. They say that dogs are man's best friend. There's a reason behind that and I believe that the majority of the people that have pets. I want to believe that. They love their pets and they want them to be like a part of the family but I think that there are people out there that you know financially or whatever life's struggles angles are for them. They can't do lavish things like some other people can do. And we've got these animals coming into the shelter right now. It's that time of the year. It's very stressful on by staff and it's stressful on me being that we're a tiny little shelter very limited on space very limited on resources in on staff. I don't understand why there's so how many people like right before the holidays right before July. Right before Thanksgiving right before Christmas. We have this huge influx of owner surrenders and I was really young Enticing had gotten sick and I don't even remember what it was that he had gotten sick with but I remember. My Mom and dad did everything that they possibly could to save his life and we didn't have a lot of money growing up and so you know the fact that my parents went above and beyond to do they needed to due for Tyson to make him better to get him. Well I just I mean I think they instilled in me and made me realize you know that is what I want. Mike community eighty to realize that their pets are family in the needed to be loved and respected treated as such. That's great so rescuing can be a really tough business. And and what are some of the more positive stories that you've experienced with the dogs that you've had under your care. I was talking to a friend and she was telling me that you know if you look at the vets before like whenever you would go into the vet. There was nobody sitting in the lobby. You can walk in and see right away. You're in and out within a few minutes. She said. Now you go. You cannot just walk in. You have to have an appointment issues so you know the picture that you're trying to paint for the community you and your staff and your volunteers organization organization as a whole has reached people in people. They've heard you know the message that were trying to portray in that you know. People are caring for their pets heads more than there are people who aren't and that meant a lot to me because that was like the Little Bit of light at the end of the tunnel right there were you were drowning in animals and it kind of put things in perspective for me. Yeah I had gone through a a major personal struggle. I had thought about leaving the shelter and at that time they had these three little dogs and it was fostering these three little I call them. My golden girls there was there was the the three give them they came in. Somebody turned the men. They couldn't take care of them. They were really really bad shape senior dogs and our shelter not really set up for senior pets so I took them home in. I fostered them every morning. When I'd wake up by I'd go downstairs and I'd go to let them outside to go potty and I just remember how happy they they were to see me and it just every day they were the reason why I never left wonderful so with your work in the shelter? Is there any story that stands out to you any particular freedom ride or a person who adopted a dog where that dog really changed their life just the other day I was laying in bed. It was about ten thirty at night and received a message on facebook from someone had just adopted from us a few days prior. They had a dog for several years in the dog walk. Past in their family was very upset about the dogs passing. She had never seen her husband cry until the dog passed in knew her husband had been in this sort of depression for several several months because of the dogs passing. That dog was like a child to them and they decided that one they were ready to open their hearts in their homes to another animal. They came Adopted a puppy from us and you know in her message. She was just expressing her gratitude that she was very thankful that her husband and her children were smiling and they were happy and she was happy she was thankful that our our staff was able to help her and her family not replace the pet that passed but to allow their hearts to To grow in into I guess extend that love to another animal and be able to help an animal and I sit in. It's things like this stories like this. It's moments it's like this. That helped me my staff and my volunteers in other shelter workers rescue people out there understand that amongst all of the the craziness that that goes on everyday in all the bad things that we see we hear happy endings. Actually heavily outweigh the negative while. That's beautiful how do you think dogs rescue us like we rescued them our pets or dogs. They do a very good job at pulling us out of you know some of the darkest places in making us I realize that everything is going to be okay and animals are like nature's natural antidepressant. Now that I think about it. pastic so Devon. Where do we find more information about yourself and about the humane society of Imperial County can check out our facebook page just go to Humane Society of imperial? Oh County we post quite a bit and they can also check out our website it's www dot imperial county humane dot org. We are on instagram and on twitter twitter as well mostly our our website and our facebook page are big two biggest platforms wonderful. I really applaud all this work. That you're doing both for your community and for the dogs and cats and all the animals in your world and I love hearing about the stories of the dogs in your or care as well as the ones in your home and just sounds like a wonderful menagerie of of characters. Well thank you so much and we will be in touch Devon. Thank you for your time. I'm today I really enjoyed hearing from Devon about his story and to hear the journey of how his involvement with dogs has changed involved over over time all the way to his current position. He's part of the glue of what makes a rescue work. People who are willing to keep their head down and keep pushing forward even when the going gets tough. Thank you for listening to this episode of Dogs. Save the people a podcast about how dogs make our lives better. This show's production production it as it should be a content studio. It's made with the support of our producer and editor Jack Summer Special. Thanks to our composer neighbor Daniel Lampert for creating aiding the music for the show you can subscribe to dog. Save the people on Apple podcasts. spotify or wherever you get your podcast. If you like the show please leave a review or rating you can also follow us on social media. You can also check out the tiny Tim Rescue Fund my foundation at John Bartlett. Ny Dot com enjoy. Enjoy walk with your dog and make it a great day for both of you.
Amanda Wight, HSUS, Against Trophy Hunting
"This is a remake of a segment that we did on a really windy and bad traffic day and interestingly they're having that up in Ohio which is why Laura Hakeas is with us. Amanda is Wildlife Protection Manager at the Humane Society of the United States. Those are my dogs getting into a downstairs. Probably because somebody is at the front door I will close the studio door that are. They found a cat who will run from them. Yeah isn't that it's not. It's not the fight and then it stops the fight that it sounds like anything. Good guard dogs though. Well well this is the front door and you have. We have four dogs here and there. I usually have one in the studio during the program now and now they're quiet now. I saw first of all. There's a lot more like on the. Us blog that we now have linked on our home page that talks about hunting related issues. One of the reasons the humane society of the United States is different from say the ASPCA and why Morris Animal Foundation is different from. I don't know who else does what they do. Which is handed out grant? Money is because they are focused not just on companion animals but on wildlife and trophy hunting and all of that so I that was Amazon. Making a delivery so now. I have my studio headphones sort of things that are here. Okay continuing we had there. Where do you want to pick this up? Amanda what am I like you? I have lots of questions for you. But why don't I let you introduce yourself and your the way you'd like to come at it and then Josh Stevens deny who's being co host today and I will dance with you in terms of going down those roads? I want to talk about this new appointment of some someone who's from the industry. You know lobbyists kind of thing. I want to talk about. Why Trophy hunting is evil. I WanNa talk about winners hunting good when his hunting? Not so good and we did all of that last time. So let's imagine we're starting cold right now because this is where the podcast will start and Amanda. Welcome to the program tell me about the HSA US and trophy hunting. Yes hi I'm Amanda White So I think last time it seemed like there might have been a little confusion about the differences between trophy hunting which is what we focused on. as opposed to just you know your average run in the middle hunting practices and so at the humane society we define trophy hunting as a hunt where the primary motivation is to obtain animal. Parts for example head pieds clause or even whole stuffed bodies for display and for bragging right but not for subsistence and so- trophy hunters often pose the dead animal for a portrait Such as for social media And again they're they're not motivated by putting food on the table So I think he needs to society. We actively worked to eliminate the most inhumane an unfair sport hunting practices Including TROPHY HUNTING. Which often uses very cool agreed just methods such as body gripping traps and snares a bear baiting The use of towns to hunt bears Bob Cats Mountain. Lions and wolves Contest killing events and cap depending on fence properties To those are sort of the the practices that we target with our work And what a lot of people don't realize is that trophy. Hunting happens right here in the US as well Each year thousands of our native carnivores There's Mountain Lions Bob. Cats will are killed to obtain a trophy or bragging rights So it's not just sort of you know a problem that happens elsewhere. It also happens right here. And that's what we focus on On nineteen is that domestic trophy hunting that happens in the United States on our native carnivores and here in California. We have recently. I don't know all the details like you would banned the trophy hunting of Bob. Cats for five years for example exactly so it was the bill Last year that we supported that put a moratorium on trophy hunting. Bob Cats in the state it does that measure does allow the lethal movable of an individual animal that poses a danger to humans endangered or threatened species or livestock But basically it makes it unlawful to trophy hunt Bob. Cats until twenty twenty-five after which California could Reopen peace and if certain conditions are met in those conditions would include the development of an updated management plan It directs the Department fish and wildlife to really just adequately study Bob Cats in California including getting a population count Before they could allow the trophy of them to continue. Bob Cats are an amazing creature. I've had a couple of encounters with them while driving a rural roads and stop and watch and it was really interesting and Bob. Cats are cool. I mean I would probably have been afraid if it had been Cougar Mountain Lion but the the Bob cats you know are these giant there in any case they they're very interesting do we have H. S. I say we do. We have any opinion on rattlesnake hunts. Yes those I think would fall under those sort of contest kills where Agadir. Now the the primary purpose is to just kill these animals for sport And Yeah a lot of times. Those rattled rattlesnake roundup. As they're often called are tied in with contest I grew up in Texas. Okay now I don't know if we want to get into this. But his fishing any part of this sport fishing for example. Is You know for taxidermy significantly. We have lots of fishing contest. Now I think they throw the fish back. In most cases do we have any opinion on fishing. Yes so I think not in terms of our trophy hunting mark. We don't focus on fishing We did In Maryland a couple years ago there was a bill that bans killing contests on counters. Raise Which were particularly because yeah yeah counts. Raise would come into the Chesapeake Bay To have young And so often there were contests to see who could kill the most or the heaviest Oftentimes the heaviest ones were pregnant wines and so it was just a very agree just practice and luckily we're able to ban that. Maryland and I think that's probably The only marine species that we've on with our trophy hunting word. That's not that we don't work on marine species outside of that As part of our additional wildlife were mostly focused on protecting marine mammals. Okay I understand now again. There is no problem. Well there is no policy on subsistence hunting. Which is you go out and you kill something you take it home and you eat it or you do something with it. Correct correct yes. We're really focused on behind those really. Just egregious and cruel practices say even most assistant centers Disagree with do we have any opinions on well. Is there anything we haven't talked about so far that we should and then I'll let josh ask a couple of questions if he'd like to but it seems like we've we've pretty much? Yes if it's a Oh one other question. Do we do anything about taxidermy? Would one approach to this not be? Hey taxidermist you can't work on this species for example. Is that something we would ever do? Not An approach. We've taken I think we're remorse focused on policies and again targeting sort of the the cruelty aspects of it and the trophy hunting itself. Well and okay now before I go to Josh. Tell me about what's happened lately in the international trophy hunting business. One of the things is they've got one of their own as their regulator. Now which is the kind of thing that happens in Washington and is yeah. Yeah draining the swamp sure. It is Can we talk about that? Real quick yeah so that was In a Siedman She was a litigator for the party. Club International Recently appointed to head a key office within the US Fish Life Service And so she the club international to think as you know folks haven't heard of that it's one of the world's largest trophy hunting industry groups And their members kill hundreds of animals that are really disappearing from Earth There's a lot of focused on killing those sorts of rare species Around the globe Again for prestige and providing rights So in a statement she led humorous lawsuits against Pushing Wildlife Service and other federal agencies. that prohibited. You know different Predator control tactics and She's really an advocate for trophy hunting for us. The Party Club International And now as assistant director of the fish wildlife services international affairs groups She'll be leading a team responsible for implementing international conservation treaties and protecting at risk wildlife populations and their habitats around the globe. You know at the agency where Whose policies she previously opposed a sued and worked against So it's really one of those instances of you know the Fox guarding the Hen House. The trump administration is not a good friend of. I'm never mind anti trophy hunting. Is that true? Yeah you know There have been a lot of policies to under the trump administration that seeks to expand trophy hunting Just recently The International Wildlife Conservation Council which was a committee That was made up almost entirely of trophy hunters gun industry lobbyists from groups like the Safari Club International and the NRA Recently that group was disbanded Following a lawsuit filed by a coalition that included The the United States as well as humane society international And Yeah it was another instance of appointing this committee made up of Trivia Hunters and industry groups That was looking to guide. You know policy on how the US looks at trophy hunting And so again. It's sort of that Fox in the Hen House idiom repeating itself where Sort of the very groups that are looking to expand trophy. Hunting are the ones in charge of the policies. You know looking to expand trophy hunting Josh Stevens. It's your turn to ask. Amanda questions excellent. I have one. It's a little elaborate. So with regards to hunting for non trophy purposes is there a guideline as to what is considered using enough of an animal that is hunted for example take venison such as dear? Let's say a hunter and I'm not one personally utilizes they're gathering of a deer to only make a coat that is only a small portion of the used that was hunted so is there a policy or guideline on how much of enough of one hundred animal is utilized. That is Is there such a policy? You know we don't have anything Sort of defines like that As the policy with us And again I think important thing to remember is that you know motivations aside. We're also looking at these very cool and egregious methods which are usually use two hundred native carnivores And not so much use to the year in other Typically hunted species Here's a another thing that comes to mind is when it comes to animals that are hunted. I've noticed there is concern for those and this might even be beyond your scope. But would you happen to be aware of anything regarding regulation on types of bullets us? Because I've heard some use lead in that can poison in ecosystem having those sorts of bullets on grounds. I believe we had a phone call about Lead versus what is a copper or steel and California law? Is that something you get into Amanda? It's not something that I personally work on but I know They mean save. The United States is very much opposed to use of of lead amunition. It something We time previously. And it's just because you know. Less toxic alternatives are very workable and very readily available in the marketplace. And and. So it's definitely something that we worked on as well and Hunters though will tell you. It's very very expensive to use the alternative ammo and then the people who are the supporters and this includes. I think almost all of us people who care about say California condors who are being led poisoned because of shots and I think in any case there have been concerns about the amount of lead that is introduced into the environment by hunting activities particularly anything that uses a shotgun for example. So excellent yeah. Let's definitely very widespread drought. The you'll like. We are circling this issue. From about and not really getting into I mean I just feel like this is not the best interview I've ever done because I have a hard time trophy hunting trophy. Hunting is often cruel trophy. Hunting often targets animals that we care about Giraffes Lions Tigers of which there are very few left in the world trophy. Hunting is often very very big business. Actually your question now since that your monologue just prompted a really great q. And that's what is the What are some of the top speed animals of concern that your organization is following? Yeah so on the domestic side. Which is what I work on. We also were crying. You know international trophy hunting through our international affiliate but on the domestic side the species that were focused on our Black Bracing Grizzly Bears Mountain Lions bobcats and gray wolves. Wow that is a broad spectrum. There and What would you say with Regards to wolves especially like what are some of the regions in which they are most endangered for example. Like would we find that here locally? There are well in California They're not allowed to be hunted in California They're still on the federal and state endangered species list. They're They are lots of them. Lots of water. Lots of wolves in California and only very far north and you said there are places that allow the trophy hunting of wolves and also the removal. And this is something I want to get into but let let you finish where you're going. The removal of Predator Animals. That heaven forbid might kill a cow or calf or something else. That doesn't belong in that environment. Yeah exactly so in the northern ocoee mountains though Wyoming Idaho and Montana Will our curfew hunted Quite extensively in all free of those states In Idaho and Montana neither of them have a statewide quota or a limit on how many Wolves can be killed Yeah you're often Trophy hunters claim that native carnivores needs to be managed by bill fining them as these ratios livestock predators But the scientific studies have really shown that trophy hunting does not alleviate conflicts with what livestock long term and may actually increase conflicts with humans pets life and livestock by disrupting their staple family structures And sending these sort of young and inexperienced juveniles out to fend for themselves during the case of wolves. That's especially true. This will be last question because Sabrina. Actually I may get you both on for just a second Sabrina Ashton who is the California State Director of Humane Society is our next guest and what is being done because i? I don't like the idea that farmers lose their cows because we like having wolves and to me. The issue is write them a check. You know we have checks. We have a checkbook. We have fees and we have ways to pay for that. But I didn't hear well. That isn't good enough. Well I mean how much a talk to me a little bit about compensation for animals that get killed by these Predator. Animals that we want to protect states will have a livestock compensation program that will reimburse producers at market value for Any you know animals that they lose that are confirmed to have been killed by a wolf or you know depending on the Predator Smaller species as well And I think you know the important thing to remember. Here is that You know we we don't WanNa see you know livestock We lost either but what the research has shown that the best remedies for protecting livestock are non Lethal Predator. Deterrence things like fencing or Different lights are noisemakers that you can put out or guard's dogs that kind of thing As well as altering the livestock husbandry practices. So doing things like making sure that your cattle are able to a heard instead of sending them off and sort of seize individuals or pairs Really a Reduce the vulnerability of livestock in a way that reduces complex long term And so we've really seen that. That's the best way to protect wolves as well as minimized livestock losses. I just yeah I just look at. That is the cost of doing business. Which makes it sound like. I don't think they should be compensated but I recognize. The compensation is a necessary part of the equation. Or we're going to get a lot less cooperation even then we get anyway. We're at four seven nine hundred eighty. If you wanted to talk to us I am going to go ahead and punch up our friend. Sabrina Ashton. Hi Sabrina Welcome. Hi David How are you doing? You're right there. I was afraid you'd put the phone down and we're waiting for the commercial or something you and you know Amanda. You've y'all have met and excited her interview. It's not let me be honest. It's not the best interview I have ever done. I feel like I keep circling around the topics that we're discussing and it's not her fault. I mean I know what she's saying. I understand it but we have the exotic wildlife and the trump junior kind of a trophy hunt. Then we have the local hunters going to go kill and I get. We also have cruel hunting practices helicopters and I can bring it all together. I just have a hard time trying to ask it in order that to me makes what makes sense so. It's not but it's not her. It's just me being uncomfortable with how I ended up asking all of this stuff.
Jill Tucker, California Animal Welfare Association
"The you tuned in minicabs podcast writing. Let's go welcome to the community cats. Podcast I'm your host Stacey Lebaron. I've been involved helping homeless cats for over twenty years with the Merrimack River Feline Rescue Society. The goal of this podcast is to expose you to amazing. People improving the lives of cats. I hope these interviews. We'll help you learn how you can turn your passion for cats into action today. We're speaking with Joel Tucker. Joe Is a certified animal welfare administrator and the CEO of cow animals. Joe has been involved in the field of animal welfare. Since two thousand and two where her strong leadership skills have enabled her to facilitate growth collaboration and financial turnarounds while maximizing impact for the animals in her former role as executive director of Woods Hole Society in San Luis Obispo. California Miss Tucker led a facility expansion a merger with North County Humane Society in Esta Cordeiro and the opening of s Solo County's first public spay and neuter clinic. During this time the organization also more than tripled its life saving capacity by dramatically increasing. Animal intakes adoptions previously. She held the position of executive director at the Santa Maria Valley Humane Society where she spearheaded rapid growth and the completion of the organizations multimillion dollar campaign for its new larger shelter. Ms Tucker holds a BS IN BUSINESS. Administration has worked as a consultant for the main society of the United States and the Vermont Humane Federation to build a statewide animal cruelty response system and previously acted as executive director of the Addison County Humane Society in Middlebury Vermont. Joe Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for having me. Rowell's he go to Vermont to California. So that's a that's a big jump in. I'm sure you've had much better weather over the years. Yes yes journey. So you've obviously been in the in the industry for for quite a few years where you owe as focused on being involved in animal welfare or did your Did your life plan take a turn and sort of bring you into two animals? Well I've been passionate about animals since I was a child and but I've also been an avid worst person and I went to school in San Jose California and it was the Silicon Valley and the height of as technology was growing and I kind of through college just landed in a career in software which was good enough at the time because it paid the horse bills but it really wasn't satisfying for me and I ended up going through a big life. Change in two thousand and two where I really sold everything and moved across the country to Vermont With my dogs and and to take on the role of executive director of the Addison County Humane Society so I had I had gotten my feet wet. Though as a volunteer starting as a foster parent for a rescue organization in Berkeley California and I ended up on their board of directors. They contacted me one day and said hey you know you're a business person may be can help us. We're about to file for bankruptcy. And I I said sure I. I'd love to help you. The work you're doing is really important so I had a meeting with them and then three hours later was on the board in two months later was president of the board. And that's where I got my first crash course in non profit management. But I really once I moved to Vermont and got in the role I just felt so at home in it. I love sheltering I love. The skill set requires to manage these organizations and It can taps into every part of me and it just feeds my soul and I've been really really happy with the journey that I've had. That's an it's interesting to me. Sometimes when I talked to folks that have been executive directors of nonprofits. Say I feel like there's a lot of exhaustion in their language and they're just very fatigued but you have a lot of energy in thinking back into that period of time and meet. Maybe it's different because it's been awhile or something like that but I enjoyed running the organization that Iran for several years that I felt there was a great amount of variety every day had a new challenge but it was always a good challenge. Because you've felt empowered to be able to to do good. You know to make a difference to do something. It seems like the organizations that you've been involved with have had a lot of growth in great changed during your tenure with them know. Are there any words of wisdom of you? Know How to positively impacted organization from that leadership. See Oh gosh I am. You know I think there are different types of leaders. And I'm I'm definitely one. That's more of a grower -tainer I really enjoy getting people aligned behind a vision and moving forward. I just have so much enthusiasm for the work. And for the ultimate impact it makes for the animals and I would say what's kept me going in his career for so long. That high. Love the people that do this work and it's hard sheltering hard it's emotional Dealing with issues hard sometimes dealing with the public and the things that people do to animals is is heartbreaking but the people that that show up and do this every day for their hearts and souls into it really amazing and it's such an honor to lead teams. That do this work. I've met so many incredible people over the years and really. That's what led me into this position with California animal. Welfare Association is that I love the leaders of these agencies because they're showing up every day to do really hard stuff and regardless of kind of where they sit on their opinions things. They're they're all come to it with a great deal of passion and I have just tremendous respect for all of them so you've always been in a leadership role or or were there other opportunities where you are sort of in more of the operation standpoint or were you always in that relationship between our operations and board of directors and in that fundraising position. That sort of that triangle of life I would say up at that level yet. I was always in that leadership role so I got my first executive director job. I was when I was twenty seven. And it's been a really good fit for me but you know we all know. There are challenges in that role. When you're you're kind of liaison between staff and aboard the representative in the community and that need to want to take care of everyone and and make all of the stakeholders happy but yeah. It's it's I've loved it. I I've always loved it and it's it's just been a good fit for me all these years and do you feel like you just sort of took to it. Like A as they say. Duck takes to water or whereas there's some special training that you got or mentor. Ship that you felt was really helpful in that process. Oh Gosh you know when I when I started on with the humane society in Vermont. I didn't know anything and I and I really just jumped in and got things done I'm I'm very collaborative by nature. I'm good at facilitating people working together to solve problems. And so that part really came naturally to me in in hindsight if I had known how many wonderful knowledgeable people and resources there were around the country to help. I would have asked for help. I think that's the challenge with new leaders. You don't know what you don't know so you don't know to ask. And and that's kind of what I what I focus on in this role in supporting leaders shelters around the state of California is helping to facilitate that exchange of information and establish a culture of Support. So that no one feels. Aloun in this work that they're doing. I'm because really in the field of animal welfare. No matter what you're trying to accomplish someone else has already done it and done it. Well and people are very willing to share. Yeah and I think that that is something that maybe has changed over the years. I've I've been involved in this world since Nineteen Ninety. Four and things have changed. I think pretty dramatically over that time say goodbye to scooping say hello to a better litterbox introducing kitty sift the eco-friendly waterproof litterbox made of recycled cardboard. Just lift SIFT AND REUSE CNN Amazon. Or GO TO KITTY. Sift DOT COM and use coupon code. Podcast for fifteen percent off. Hey everybody I wanted to just share our next free event. It's going to be trappers tips and tricks on Saturday March fourteenth at two PM Eastern Standard Time. We'll have Bryan Curtis of neighborhood. Cats sharing all of his experiences tips. The burning questions about how to get those last cats trapped. Please join US on March fourteenth. Which is Saturday two? Pm Eastern Standard Time and get your questions asked and share all your tips and tricks to register. Please go to www dot. Community cats podcast. A DOT COM. We'll see you there and don't forget we'll always have some cash trivia so show up get ready to play see you. Then so yeah. Let's talk about cal. Animals what is CAL animals? And what is it that you're doing to really ensure that organization Helps throughout all of California so Kelly animals is our kind of short name for the California Animal Welfare Association and what this Organization is It's the result of a recent merger between the State Humane Association of California and the California Animal Control Directors Association both of those statewide associations were representing shelters and had been working together on legislative advocacy. And not putting on conferences Yet we're having separate meetings in separate finances and it. Everyone kind of realized that it it made sense to bring both parties under the same roof so we merged about a year and a half ago. And it's been really good California is a huge state. And it's funny. I was at the recent Association for Animal Welfare Advancement Conference and there was a woman from Canada talking about how they're looking to implement standards for shelters for their entire country and when she talked about how many shelters they had dawned on me that like our state is is bigger than Canada. And you know in terms of of copulation and animals the number of of shelters so we have our hands full here. I took on a leadership role of this organization in March and You know I had been with woods humane society for four and a half years maybe five years and And I had been on the Board of the State Humane Association of California and helped guide that merger process and we have a strategic planning session in January of Twenty nineteen that we really talked about our priorities and what we could accomplish as an action. I got so excited about that. And about the potential that this organization has to really move the needle on animal welfare in this state that when we talked about how to structure the organization and Staffing. I casually mentioned I would be interested in taking a leadership role in the. The board was pretty excited about that so I was able to step in in March which was just about six weeks before our major annual conference Which has a little stressful but it. It's it's been really good There's a lot of potential in this state and I am such a believer that if we work together effectively we can save all the healthy and treatable animals in the state and I. You know as a as someone that believes in collaboration and that really values and respects all of the players in all of the opinions of the table. It's been a good fit for me to sit in this role. It's certainly a challenging one and People often aid knowledge that I'm always having to Switzerland because there are a lot of different opinions and the really strong opinions and people are very passionate about what they believe in in. My intention is to help them recognize that they really truly agree on about ninety five percent of the work. They're doing and I really. If we can focus there and get them to work together we're going to achieve a lot Our state is pretty challenged because we have a major disparity of resources and it's so diverse. I mean leave that very big well Ryan well resourced organizations with beautiful facilities like the San Diego Humane Society in San Francisco. Spca in Silicon Valley humane. But there's also rural areas that have maybe one animal control officer and a tiny building. And you know no veterinarian within sixty miles and then there there are some agencies that are out in the desert literally and some in the mountains and then we've got big cities and then we've got you a gazillion nations probably within the county of Los Angeles where there are probably ten million people so it's it's very diverse And and we certainly have our challenges in the state. But I do like the amount of collaboration. I'm seeing and moving animals around and helping our Member agencies to kind of determine where resources are needed and who can step in to assist. Because I think that's what it's GonNa take relate to achieve our goals of creating truly humane communities within California. Yeah so you you're using the phrase humane communities and how how are your? What are your thoughts with regards to community cats in California? I mean there are a lot of different policies and different legislation all around the state many different layers and as she said. Resources are an issue But I'm just wondering if there's a either a position or a certain thoughts around community cats from from your organization so organization doesn't have a position on it I would say among our members in even among our board we've got agencies that have embraced community cat models in our having tremendous success in others that on the other end of the spectrum that are just horrified at the idea of putting say returning cat out there without a known owner So my official position is position By that we recognize in California. That cats are a huge issue and They're they're the you know. Reflect the highest percentage of euthanasia in our shelters. And it's GonNa take all sorts of strategies I think to ultimately address this and what we're trying to do is really meet our members where they are on regardless of of their philosophy if there's if if they're interested in community cats we want to support that and connect them with training and resources. If they're not comfortable with that we want to figure out what. What strategies are they comfortable pursuing to help address the cat overpopulation issues in their community and shelve euthanasia and and and see how we can support that You know some of those agencies are having a lot of success with NEO. Nate foster programs kitten nurseries of projects? Like that that help improve life saving that really vulnerable population In some agencies. They've been able to get you know more partnerships in place for adoption outlets per cats a summer transporting out cats adoptions to communities that have the ability to place them and then of course. There are the communities that fully embrace community. Cats are going for it. And Are you know recognizing that these cats are out there? And unless they get fixed they're gonNA keep reading and And they're they're focusing their efforts on making that happen. I would assume but I'll ask this question. Just for some clarification that Organizations that just operate a low cost spay neuter clinics are also eligible to be members absolutely yes and their work is so incredibly important and I if I could wave a magic wand that would be the first thing I do is drop some more spay neuter clinics around the state because there are areas. That really really need that kind of support. Yeah there are many many but a couple of coalitions that I know you know have done really some strategic analysis of the state and trying to understand where the black hole areas are so that then you know. Some strategic resources can be focused in those areas. So I think that's an excellent direction to certainly go in You know by merging these two organizations. You've really put To sort of populations that have historically may be had a somewhat adversarial relationship. I you know probably twenty odd years ago but you know in certain communities that adversarial relationship can still exist. What do you do from a leadership position to help facilitate productive networking or partnerships or collaboration? I mean how do you facilitate? Maybe some of micro partnership action that should happen within you know a couple of communities not necessarily a whole statewide endeavor. I think a lot of it is leading by example and and featuring communities that. Have this really Mailed I I've always been a so. My background is running the nonprofit shelters and I always felt that my role in doing so was to support the public shelter in my community because that public shelter if my facility is limited admission that public shelter is is the community safety net and You know I I felt that was was my responsibility to work with And support that and support is many light outcomes As possible. I I see a lot of really good. Collaboration going on around the state and there are certainly areas. That could do better. I think there's there's a lot of talk about the benefits of collaboration and and really the necessity of Public and private partnerships to get the work done in and really in. California has as you know so many natural disasters that as as tragic as those are very unifying when your community is on fire and you have to find emergency housing for more than a thousand animals. I mean nobody can do that on their own so collaboration in those instances is is critically important. An and I would say. In that regard a lot of those disasters have facilitated more camaraderie and goodwill as when something comes up there are so many agencies that are willing to step in and help and pull animals out of affected areas or take animals from adoption floors in the in the impacted area so that they can handle evacuees So it's it's a it's a challenge But I think you know recognizing be collaboration in these partnerships as an freight ultimate benefit to the community into the animals and And and really touting that is the way to go I think is really helpful. It's it's you know going to not be quite as popular just siphoned off and do your own thing. You know we were just not at that stage. Our our industry is evolving professionalism is evolving and there is an expectation that we look beyond the walls of our own facilities in into the larger community and evaluate our role. And and you know what we're doing there to ultimately affect the well being of all of the animals and people so I'm Jill if folks are interested in finding out more about how animals or ask you any questions. How could they do that? I would love to hear from them Count animals so they can check out our website which is cal animals dot org. We spent a lot of great information on that we put on a really big conference in California. That animal welfare professionals from other states would probably even enjoy. If they'd like to to come out for that people can always reach me at Jill at cal. Animals Dot Org and I'd I'd be happy to chat. It's Great Djilas or anything else. You'd like to share with our listeners. Today I would say I would really like everyone around the country to think. Think about and support their state associations. I think there's so much value in bringing shelters and really other animal welfare resources To The table together to work together and communicate and collaborate. And if that's happening in your state that that's really good and it's really really important should be supported and if it's not happening. I would hope that somebody gets that off the ground because it's there are so so many benefits yeah. I think it's great. I mean I think we. We still need a lot of networking opportunities and opportunities to learn from one another and it takes effort. But it's worth the effort to to put that altogether. So so Jill. I want to thank you again for agreeing to be a guest on my show and I hope we'll have you on again in the future and for my listeners. Out there please consider sharing this podcast with others and if you have time if you can put up a review. I'd really appreciate it. Thanks so much and we'll see you next week. Thank you for listening to community cats. 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Mary Tan, Whisker Media
"Tuned in. PODCAST. Reading. Let's go! Welcome to the community cast podcast. I. Am here host Stacey Lebaron I've been involved helping homeless cats for over twenty years with the Merrimack River Feline Rescue Society. The goal of this podcast is to expose you to amazing people who are proving the lives of cats I hope these interviews. We'll help you learn how you can turn your passion for cats into action today we're speaking with. Mary Tan Mary. Is the owner and chief storyteller of whisker media, a Boutique Strategic Communications Agency where she focuses on marketing and public relations for PAT, related, businesses and animal welfare nonprofits when not working. Working on client accounts, she's busy promoting animal adoption programs through her work as the Public Relations Manager for Animal Humane Society in Golden, Valley Minnesota one of the largest open admission animal shelters in the United States before her time and Animal Pr Mary worked in Government Communications, where she led the public relations efforts for the city of Brooklyn Park and the Brooklyn Park police and fire departments in Minnesota prior to that she was a former award winning television journalists who worked as a reporter and anchor in Las Vegas, Atlanta and Minneapolis during her time and television. She also appeared on CNN. CNN NBC News and Fox News, she primarily cover breaking news crime and court cases. She was the first journalist in the country to interview boxer Vander Holyfield after his infamous year biting incident with challenger Mike Tyson at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas the underlying mission of all. Her work is to change society's views of cats. She's bothered by the fact that cats are considered disposable and second rate two dogs. She's also not a fan of the crazy cat lady image, which is not only discriminatory two cats to women and those with mental health issues. When not working the Wisconsin native. Native writes a blog called whisker fabulous, which is written from the point of view of her behaviorally challenged nutty cat Dr Farley Wadsworth. Who believe all felines to be fancying spoiled rotten in addition to Dr Wadsworth? She lives with her significant other, Craig, and a rescue dog from Texas named Josie Mary Welcome to the show Hi Stacey. Thanks so much for having me on, so wow, what an incredible background! Having I'm thrilled to have you on the show and thank you again for joining us I wanNA just touch base. You have a dog. You have a cat. You have this great. Background journalist's background, we did you I really become passionate about cats. Well. Tell you growing up. My Dad was very anti pet and I always wanted an animal, and so did my sister and I remember some of my friends, having cats and dogs, and my sister, and I always wanted one so of course what happened is my sister went away to college, and she got a cat and when I was in high school, I went out to visit her and I'm like as soon as I move out of the House I'm getting a cat, and so, what happened was at one point I had three cats and a dog now. I just have one. One cat, but both my sister and I just started adopting animals left and right, and we both kind of had zoos, and it was just kind of a rebellious thing to do i. think against my parents, but I always loved cats. They are just unbelievably mysterious creatures that had always had a lot of appeal to both my sister, and I and then how did you get into the whole media around me became very active with public relations and being a reporter. Did you want to be a journalist first? And then you're sort of combining the two. How did that process happen? Well, it all work together so I actually didn't get a cat. I graduated from college because it just made things easier and I just went and visited my sister so basically in college I actually had started as a classical musician. My degree is actually in music and journalism and I thought I wanted to a classical loudest. Well, those jobs are very far and few between, and so then I started doing I was a music credit for our. Our student newspaper, and that led into me, discovering journalism and I, befriended television news reporter, who is also a classical pianist and a cat lover and I started doing an internship at the TV station in my college, and all blossomed at the end of my college I'm going to be a journalist. I'm going to be a TV reporter. I wanted to change the world and. And I WANNA rate things that are wrong and that sort of thing and so I ended up getting my first job at the ABC affiliate here in Minnesota in Duluth Minnesota and what happened was I always loved animals, but my actual strength in journalism was doing the really hard news, the crime than slime when I was in news I used to say it bleeds it leads. Leads or if you're dead, I'm live and I always wanted to do the animal things, but I was always the one that got sent on breaking news that was really my skill set, and in news, the animal stories tend to go to the feature. Reporters are a lot of the anchors, and so I was really one of those street reporters, and so I actually. Ended up going hard news route in journalism career field. You need to move a lot to move up to bigger cities, and so your goal is to move to a bigger and bigger market, and so that's what I did. And I kind of made my name as more of a crime and hard news reporter, and that's how the vendor Holyfield's ear biting incident happened, I got put. Put on that story and all along I always wanted to do animal stories, and what's really really interesting is that I could report about crime and homicides and trump homicides, and that sort of thing, but if there was like an animal abuse story, I just couldn't do it. It just bothered me so much, so I really did very little animal reporting when I was actually in news. News so then what brought you to work in public relations for shelter? Yes, so after thirteen years of working overnight weakens and twelve thirteen fourteen hour days. I was like I'm so burned out. I've had enough I'm tired of going into snowstorms and standing along the side of the freeway, telling people to stay home and so I decided you know what I want to go as journalists. Journalists say to the dark side and become what they call a PR lackey in I ended up getting a job in government communications, and that also used a lot of my skill set at the time, because I did a lot of pr around public safety and racial equity issues and really kind of card news topics, but then my secret desire was always to do animal Pr. Pr and I had started a blog and I was really involved with pet bloggers and an opening. He means -ociety here in Minnesota, and it's really only organization that has a fulltime pr job that pays a livable wage, and so I applied for it, and that was about a year and a half ago, and I got it, and but during my time at the city I had. Had already started doing animal pr for pet related businesses, but I really wanted as a PR person I really wanted something to encompass the entire pet industry, so everything from animal welfare to promoting cat products, and actually most of my clients are cats, products and I guess in a perfect world. My world would be just cat PR, but I love dogs, too, but the dog pet PR. Pr Industry is far more dog products than products out there, so let's think about the shelters that are out there. The small rescues community cat groups that do trap due to return Azam media expert. Let's take sort of a deep dive here and put ourselves in their shoes and focusing on. We get so involved in the day to day life. We talk about stories capturing those stories. Stories and it seems like there's a story every day. But how do you take the time to capture those stories? Why is it important for us to leverage those stories? And why is it important for us even if we're a small group to have a relationship with the media as well as which retailers you know, why is it important to have all that outreach going on? Yeah so this is really interesting, but I really believe that. And shelters they need to operate like a business and some of your major stakeholders of course are the public. You want the public to adopt, and you also have a huge need to get your stories out there because you need donors donors are your bread and butter to make sure that you can do what you WanNa do and so you need public relations and marketing and public relations, I like of course I'm a big fan of PR specifically because it does. Take staff time in your time, but it's free. It's often called the earned media versus marketing, which is paid media and. And so with earned media, you lend so much more credibility to your organization. If you have somebody else out there touting your organization and rescues and shelters have so many stories and let me tell you this here in Minnesota, an animal humane society I would say on average we have about eight media appearances a week and one of the ways we do. That is called news jacking, and so most rescues on shelters. have their. You know your typical option segment, those are wonderful, but in order to really show the impact of your work and what you do in the community i. I highly suggest what's called news jacking and what that is is let me give you an example, so I'm here in Minnesota one of the coldest states in the country and last week we had a really bitter cold snap. New Stations love weather, and during cold weather, our news stations go nuts over. They want to cover as many cold weather story, so they'll. They'll do the stories about the homeless shelters and people on the streets, and maybe the furnace companies, having an influx of people needing a tune-up or furnace repair, so I pitched a story about Chucky, the hat so chucky. Chucky the cat came in the day before we were supposed to have a cold snap and what happened with Chucky is he was a stray community cat who got hit by a car, and we're kind of guessing on this a little bit, but we think he got hit by a car and rolled over, so he couldn't move and he ended up on a sewer pipe. Any was frozen to the sewer pipe, so a local police officer brought him into us, and he was near unconscious, but we nursed him back to hell, and he eventually needed his tail amputated and one. One of his toes amputated, and so I pitched that to the media, and they bid on it, as we like to say in PR, and they covered this wonderful story about chuck, the cat who survived being frostbitten, but we use the story to highlight that pets need to be indoors when it's this cold, that's an example of news jacking and using the news of the day to your advantage monitor situation would be more dogs, but it can apply to cats is there was a situation where a local police officer shot a dog and the dog was actually it was a pit. Pit Bull in it was running the opposite way of the police officer. Of course it sparked outrage especially in the animal welfare community, so I wasn't the public relations manager at the time, but what I would've done in that situation is I would have called up the news stations and said Hey, you know what we have experts who can talk about the signs that a dog or cat is about to bite, and we can use it as like our educational resource, and the whole point of it is so that the news media knows you have animal experts on board and if If. You ever need help. Please call our rescue or shelter and use us as a resource, and there's so many different ways you can do us and another topic that is interesting is I. Know and get into politics. But when president trump became president, there was a whole lot of debate on what would happen to charities and charitable, giving because of changes in tax laws, so we had a lot of stations. Call US and ask us will Howard. These tax. Laws can affect your rescuer shelter, so you don't really sometimes. It doesn't have to be about animals. It could be about. About nonprofits, but the point is to get out there. Because the news media are so under staffed. They're always going to call the people that they can get the fastest. Because the amount of news time has grown. They're doing hours and hours of news and the reporters are forced to cover three to four stories a day, sometimes or two to three, and they don't have time to go and call around and get sources, but if you have your name and number and cell phone out there and they know that you're ready to talk when they call, they're always gonNA, call you. Know. I have two. Follow up questions here for you. One is for all of these instances. Do you have to craft up a press release? It sounds like not necessarily if a story comes their way, and then reach out directly to you, but I would also think that we have to know how to write a good press release in what the components are around that as well as how do you find these contacts? Where do you find the reporters? How'd you find their emails? So it's not like going to contact at Joe Paper Dot Com. Exactly that's a great question Stacey so the first thing you need to do is you should write a press release and I do when I'm pitching it to all the stations, but so much of PR is forming a relationship with a certain journalist, so my suggestion is to go on the social media pages of all the local reporters that you see on your news or in your paper or Google and see who's written about cats in the past several years, and then you know double check, and usually these journalists are all going to pictures of their pets, so you know they liked cats. If they have a cat and then reach out directly to that reporter, so. So when I use, press releases its typically for a big event so like we have our big annual gala coming up and so that's an event that you know I mean. It's just an event, so I will send out a press release in that case, and you do need to know how to write press releases, and I'm more than happy to help. Look at people's press releases if they want to send it to me and I'm sure, stacy. You'll have my contact information. Press releases are critical, but a Lotta Times. I like to pitch certain reporters and one. You send out blanket news releases to just general emails that does work, but a lot of reporters like. Like exclusives. They are under so much pressure to get an exclusive. They WANNA story that nobody else is going to have. In fact, I can tell you in some markets. It's so competitive that the news managers actually keep track of WHO's broken the most stories because it's all about competition and getting it on I and with social media. It's even worse for these reporters, so they are going to be more passionate about your story. If they know you're the only reporter, they're pitching to a lot of times I have my favorite cat reporters here in town and I'll give them like a scoop, and they will remember that and then when I need something covered like not. Not, enough people are signing up for training classes I can reach out to them and say hey. We really need a push helping our training classes, or we have too many dogs or cats right now. Can you please do something on it? They're gonNA reciprocate the favor and what I try to do is have at least one or two people at each station. It takes a little bit of homework, but I can also tell you that the news reporters love animal stories. The local Fox station here actually told me their ratings increased by twenty percent when they have an animal story. So that's something you should take into consideration because these news organizations need animal welfare groups. 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Materials are designed to last for decades ensuring that you only shop for cages once leaving more time to spend with the cats in your life get started today by logging onto CD CAGES DOT COM to design your perfect setup invest in the future of your cats with CD animal cages. So you actually touched upon my next question, which was talking about sort of measurable, you know obviously organizations are investing resources in public relations and outreach, and you know. How does an organization measure the success or from year to year? WHAT THOSE IMPACTS ARE! Is there any way to measure the impact of the public relations. Absolutely in fact, you're mostly GONNA. See it. You'll see a lot of it on social media. I work for really large animal welfare organization, and so we have a lot of negative stories as well as positive stories, and when it's negative, we will hear from our donors. They are very loud and outspoken, while I'm pitching stories I. also spend a lot of time explaining stories when something doesn't turn out, because public relations can go both ways, but it's really we find that way we also. There's media monitoring services. Services out there. Those are very expensive, but they will actually measure how much your airtime was worth and the amount of money. You would have had to pay for that coverage if it's animal. Stories always have a reaction on social media. You can also look at the news stations numbers when they put your story on their age, people always react to animal stories, and you can look at their numbers and engagement. Engagement and that's what I would recommend. They're also out there. There's some press release like services I want say I think one is called, maybe pr wire or something like that they're sort of these automated press release services where they put your press release out there and sort of the big wide world, and you really not sure where it's going. Anybody can kind of pick it up. Is there any value to? To those at all about is it better to spend your time on five to ten personal relationships, rather than kind of putting it out in one of those services, so I think if you're a national organization or an international organization, I would say PR news wire is a good resource I do use it for my for profit clients, but I would not suggest it for your typical animal, shelter or rescue it's. It's about six to seven hundred dollars to send it out. You are so much better off by reaching your stakeholders in your community because they're the ones that are going to adopt you. They're the ones that are going to donate from you. Pure newswires really built more as a for profit. It's for the big companies out there to launch new products. It will get sent out to thousands and thousands of reporters, but But it may not be reporters who actually care about what you're doing so for example. I have sent out a press release on PR news writer for one of my dog food companies will. It got sent out to everybody, but really very few actually picked it up because it wasn't really relevant, it will get sent out to Forbes and all these food processing magazines well, it'll get sent out to the pet. Pet food magazines, but it can also be sent out to everybody else, and you're paying for that, and so that's just not a good use of resources, and I really think you should try to get as much of it for free as possible, and that's what your local media's I do want to point out that media is not equal in every city, so in Minnesota Minneapolis Saint Paul. Market is one of. Of the most educated television markets in the country as well as I would say a lot of the medium sized cities. The Seattle's the Denver's. The News judgment here is less on crime and more on lifestyle for example in New York in Los Angeles. You know they'll lead with like a crime story for sure here. In Minneapolis they might lead with something like the increasing cost of lettuce which has happened before. And it really depends on the media market urine and the level of education I would say for animal welfare stories, you know medium sized markets like Minneapolis or Denver are great for that while if you're in Los Angeles, area New York Chicago Atlanta. I mean it's going to be emphasis on crime. They do need animal stories, but it is going to be a little bit trickier. And that's where focusing in on finding the cat. Owners who are in the media is going to be your your prize right one also in cities like New York City. There's probably A. A lot of sub media category. Yes, smaller groups would be more appropriate, maybe for smaller rescue group in Brooklyn Queens or long, island or whatever you want to look for the smaller media outlets that would be more proportional to your groups. Yes, absolutely, don't forget about your hyper local media. Your cable access you know those local papers have really good readership, because the main media is not gonNA cover like government and all the little fundraisers that are going on in your city. You Talk to a lot of people they actually do. Read those weekly papers those free. Free papers that come out a lot of people look at them, and I've had a lot of success promoting events in different things in those papers and most of the time those papers mainly have one or two staff members, and they are putting the whole paper together, so they don't have time to read things a lot of you send a press release them I've had them cut and paste it verbatim into their website, and so I would highly suggest that and don't forget your local bloggers. Because a lot of mommy bloggers. They love pet stuff. Pitch it. It to the local bloggers in your community and more and more bloggers are having influence, and they are actually a lot of these different outlets are tapping into your main media outlets, and of course don't forget your own social media pages. Most media organizations follow animal organizations. In fact, our media subscribes to everything, and whenever we put out a fundraising e mail appeal, and it's always featuring an animal that had a horrible situation in his. Now you know a happy animal. They all cover. Those and I always get calls. That's another way that they're watching your media. Mary you talk a little bit about more specifically what you do at whisker. Media and if folks are interested in finding out more about your work, how would they reach you? Yeah, well I'm so excited that community cats podcast is a client as well because my mission at whisker. Is really to help homeless cats and change their image. I started whisker media because I. Really wanted to help animals, and the whole goal of it was to help non profit animal organizations, but then as a pet blogger I got exposed I started working with some brands, and really got exposed to the other side of the world, which is the for profit sales side of things and last year. I went to Super Zoo and there were six football fields full of animal products in it just. Just made me so happy because when you think about it, all those animals, most of those are so many products now for all those homeless animals who are once homeless, and are now living in happy homes, and so I really discovered that the way to help more cats is to have more income and the way I could do that was promoting the for profit side to help the non-profit side, and so that's really my mission of whisker media is to give back to cats. Specifically. I've. I've always felt like cats are second class citizens. If you look at all the marketing for animals, it's always dogs that get the attention, and frankly it's because dog owners do spend more money than cat owners, but with the millennial generation really focusing on giving attention to cats and all of the social media felines out there I feel like it's changing, but still the stereotypical crazy cat lady image is still out there, and that's just so bothersome to me because it's so discriminatory towards the older. Older, women who have cats, people still have that image that you know somebody who owns cats is like an older lady with mental health issues. Who's wearing a blue? And then when I see the fashion industry? If you look at all of these high end, designers like Prada, Chanel and Gucci they are all creating things with cats on them, and so we need to change the image of cats and head owners so that they can be elevated in society because I know a lot of cat. Cat Owners who are actually very very wealthy and people need to know that cats aren't disposable. People don't throw their dogs out I. Mean they do, but it seems like cats are just left on their own more and there. There's more feral cats running around and people just don't have the same level I mean cats don't go to the veterinarian as often as dogs do, and so I'm just trying to elevate their status in society of great, and it's something I think that we all aspire. Aspire to do for all cats in our community. Mary's there anything else you'd like to share with our listeners today. Yeah, just like to say that public relations is one of the best ways to get your story out for free, and another piece of advice is to call a reporter up, and you can just approach them out of the blue and say hey, I know you have a cat I'd love to get together with you and pick your brain on how I think it more attention. Attention for my rescuer shelter, they just love people love animals and animal rescues have such an easier time selling their stories than I'm going to admit lake selling cat products is not the same thing as pitching an adoptable cats, and so take advantage of that you can get your story out there and make sure you know you're out there, networking and meeting people and invite the reporters to your events especially since they have morning, news shows and their hours long, and they need content and be. Be Willing like if they have a slot open I do this all the time I may be at a new station at six o'clock in the morning and I know that's really really kind of a pain, but you get so much free publicity out of it, and so I would highly recommend you know just snapping up every opportunity, and and you have to create your own opportunities, so reach out to these media members, and of course I would be glad to give any advice to. Rescue out there or shelter that needs help. Upgrade excellent well. Mary, thank you so much for agreeing to be a guest on my show and I hope we'll have you on again in the future, and for folks listening to this podcast I'd like to ask you all to please consider sharing this podcast with others, especially with other organizations that might need some help on the public relations side things sharing their stories writing their stories I know my perspective. It was always a huge challenge because there's hundreds. If not thousands of stories out there, you know. Which story do you choose? Which one do you pitch because you could probably? Probably pitch a story Multiple Times Day, and I found that was one of the biggest challenges, so even if you have to just close your eyes and just randomly pick a story, do it and use it and see how it goes because I think every story is just wonderful. Every cat has a story that comes through the doors, but if you pick one share that with the press, I'm sure you'll be very successful, and you'll see the results marijuana. Thank you so much for being a guest today, oh thank you so much for having me. Stacy. I. Just love this. I. Love What you do for Cats Mary. Thank you for listening to community cats podcast. I really appreciate it. If you would go to tunes, leave a review of the show. It will help spread the word to help. Mark Community Cats.
WealthEngine with Raj Khera on The Marketing Minute #4
"Raj what is your most insightful story for marketing Communications professionals? Well give you an example of how you can use data to change the game. And so with clients is the Humane Society of the United States Humane Society International and one of the the segments that they pursue is planned gifts a planned gift is someone who leaves behind money in their will in their trust in their insurance plan that you become one of the beneficiaries. So the reason they do this is because plan gifts tend to be large amounts and they found that their average plan gift from someone that they had not engaged within the past was about $40,000 and they found that if they engage with that person built a relationship that gift changed from $40,000 to over $130,000. So they wanted to figure out who should they be engaging with how many more people can they actually talked to to start that relationship the way the dog? It was they started with data. They created a Persona that figured out who are the people that are giving money right now and they find that the most the biggest givers are a single females over age 65 years of age 65 might be off in that by a few years who have a pet and then other donors are single males same age bracket who also have a pet. So starting with that there's a few thousand nuances, but they they dug deeper using insights from our total wealth engine. We're able to create a very tight segment and then created ads on and they post on Facebook of say I am a woman in that age bracket petting her dog or something like that and and that started engaging people but they placed Those ads and targeted specific people who matched the profile that's where the data came from. That's what they used and artificial intelligence machine learning from our system to figure out who they should be touring Those ads to once they did that. They started creating relationships with birth. Thousands of people who were their target market the result they generated forty-three million dollars in pipeline in 2019 just from that campaign huge Roi huge Roi really outstanding. What are the top insights derived from that story? Well, the the biggest thing is to use data to talk to your benefit segmentation donor segmentation customer segmentation is what it's all about. There are tools out there right now that can help you do it while the engine certainly one of the leading tools that can do that for you. Our clients include Financial Services firm luxury Brands non-profit educational institutions Healthcare institutions, and they're using the data that we provide to figure out who they should talk to because I really enables you to focus on the most promising prospects and not somebody who's just spinning your Cycles where you think they might be able to donate you think they might be able to buy but they don't really take action our birth. Data actually will show you a propensity score. So we give you a score from 1 to 5 one being the highest of the likelihood that this person would donate would engage would spend so those kinds of things off those kinds of data can really change how efficient you are in your role. Love it. Okay, and why do you do what you do? Rosh, I'd be glad to help people like our mission wealthengine is to uplift Humanities potential and that mission really resonates with me. And I you know, I've been very fortunate my life to have built a few business and been successful with that and so really wanted to do something that helps humanity and this this organization does that and does it in a big way because we find that when we help other people helped wage their constituency, it helps Humanity as a whole that's really important, especially in this time when we've got, you know, the spring of 2020 everybody's in locked down with coronavirus, you know, we all need to homepage. Each other and I think I think anything that people can do is really beneficial to help. That's why it resonates with me. That's why I'm there. Hi, this is Raj Kara. I'm the chief medical officer at Wells engine. Visit us at wealth engine, and this is the marketing minute.
Humane Society Urges Americans To Opt For Shelter Turkey This Thanksgiving
"As americans make their final preparations for thanksgiving dinner. Some animal activists are asking that we rethink the main course here why the humane society is urging more people to opt for a shelter turkey. This thanksgiving and later a troubling new report for those planning to celebrate tomorrow's holiday with their families here. Why none of the good cousins are coming to thanksgiving this year. All come on from the onion and onion public radio. I'm leslie price. And this is the topical back with uncle. Billy's kids and fucking sarah right after this up damage. The sucks as the demand for telemedicine grows so does the need for connectivity. Five g meets. That need qualcomm focused on giving doctors and patients superior security rich five g connectivity. Learn more at qualcomm dot com slash invention age. Thanksgiving it's a time of relaxation and joy wedged between the stressful planning of christmas and the hell screeching of sugar high children. That is halloween. Thanksgiving offers more peaceful repose. Will we have to worry about his eating and drinking ourselves into a blind stupor but for some out. There thanksgiving actually a time of sadness joining me now with more izzo. Pr animal cruelty correspondent. Generous nick hello jenna. Hi leslie like some others. The only bad things. I associated thanksgiving with were angry relatives and genocide but the humane society is telling a different story today while you're picking out your quote unquote perfect bird. It turns out. There are thousands of lonely turkeys trapped. An animal shelters all across the country. Who won't have a loving family to carve them up on thanksgiving. That is heartbreaking. Howard the shelters dealing with this problem. I spoke with humane society advocate. Michael beltran about the plight of shelter turkeys and everything has organization does to help find them a loving forever home here. He is when people are shopping. They want some perfect aesthetically pleasing turkey that oh no. Don't care that many of these turkeys have been raised in turkey mills. Everyone just wants the ideal turkey they see in pictures. Why do all these poor shelter. Turkeys come from are mostly are volunteers. Find him in the forest the fields wandering around without anyone to pluck or based him. It's so sad. Some of them are a little rough around the edges but they have such great personalities in a much much deeper flavor. That's so sad to hear. I've always gone store-bought with my thanksgiving turkey. In the past. I never realized the damage was doing. So many of us have leslie. We've been taught to desire the ideal designer turkey. Despite the cruel conditions they are raised in or the fact they are pretty inbred and fucked up so they get sick all the time and can't really breathe. Well thank god for all the heroes rescuing these turkeys from the streets. How can our listeners. Follow their example. It's actually fairly easy to adopt a turkey. I spoke with a couple at the shelter. Who often foster turkeys around this time of year and actually ended up. Adopting one themselves bringing home a shelter turkeys incredibly warning. We've been fostering them for years. Usually a few weeks at a time where you help them get nice and healthy employees The joy can bring into your life is amazing when we finally decided to adopt a turkey of her own. We were so excited. We stop for some fixings and sides on the way home because we couldn't even wait and with all the leftovers. We have smiles on our faces for weeks. We saved him from a sad lonely long life. Shelter surrounded by other turkeys. When you think of how empty our fridge was before we took him home you could actually say you saved us. Oh could you pass me a wing. Yeah you go. No excuse me jenna. I'm actually tearing up a bit. That's so sweet. That's all right leslie and for anyone at home. Who is interested this time of year. The shelters are often full. And the adoption fees actually lower than the price of a purebred turkey in fact after talking with these lovely volunteers. I brought home. A few shelter. Birds vincenzo and muffin and it has been such a great experience. Oh yes. I saw the photos and they look. Doraville has caring for them in difficult. It certainly more work. They scream pretty loud and there is blood oliver my house but all that will be rewarded with the most succulent thanksgiving turkey. You've ever seen plus. Many shelters will even provide you with free herbs. And brining salt. When you adopt. Well thank you. That is a heart warming story and i know my kids will be so excited to bring home. It's her he of our own health cut. It's throat that's ob. Jenna resnick back in a moment that gets back. It's the ninety days. I'm makoto for atta. I am tracy clayton. We're celebrating our favorite boy. Bands army groups. The golden era of hip hop and diva hits new. Podcast my nineties playlist in each episode will celebrate one of our favourite ninety dollars the lyrics the music how each song came to be and the effect that each had on the world. Subscribe to my nineties playlist. Wherever you get your podcasts covered the rest of this news and bacon to make sure it stays extra moist and now it's time for the gravy. Here's what else you need to know. Today it's been two weeks since the united states honored its military service members by celebrating veterans day. Which is why so many were confused this morning. By the side of sweating pantelis rudy giuliani emerging from the tomb of the unknown soldier. The former new york city mayor appeared both flushed and a little famished wearing nothing but his underpants but insisted that there was nothing to worry about as he was simply paying his respects to our fallen men and women in uniform a disturbing sight to see on the laughs and big news ahead of tomorrow's holiday as the nation's aunts have officially announce their two thousand thanksgiving boyfriend roster both over zoom and in person single ants from across the country plan to unveil what they believe is their strongest rookie class of middle aged. Romantic partners. ever at this year's thanksgiving dinner and are even hinting that the release of several prominent boyfriends from prison might provide a welcome shakeup during this year's festivities the nation's also announced their plans to honor those who led the way by memorializing all the boyfriends who passed away over the year and four wheeler accidents send bellyflop contents and finally and some news. That could disrupt your thanksgiving dinner. Mister big shot chef over here is announced his plans to smoke a turkey this year. Don't let me hold you up there. Wolfgang puck would wanna get in the way of you and your fucking michelin stars and as for the rest of your family. Don't worry still plenty of time to order in before tomorrow and that's the topic for today. I'm leslie price folks. If you absolutely insist on seeing the people who in the most to you in this world tomorrow please remember to do it responsibly. With your mouth and nostrils closed at all times. No exceptions breathing is how we got into this mess in the first place and just because it's a holiday doesn't mean won't kill you now and just in case it is the last time you see your family. Be sure to tell them about the topical. Maybe even played them an episode or two. They might really enjoy it and if they do they can even sign up to become a member of the topical patriots where they'll have access to all kinds of exclusive news content and for those who sign up to become a member of our ten dollars tier. I'll even thank you by name. Or whatever kind of comes out of my mouth naturally live on air today shoutout goes to andrew webster and stacey fewest as well as a member of our twenty five dollars here the joe finn the topic thankful for your support and wish you and your families a very happy thanksgiving. Of course you're jewish in which case happy hanukkah oh and daniel trice. Don't think i didn't notice that you deleted your five dollar contribution this month. I hate to break it to you. But it's going to cost you a lot more than five bucks to pay for those penis enlargement pills so before you come crawling back next month. Maybe think about everything. You've been taking for granted in your life and all that you should have been thankful for just a fucking season asset and to everyone who isn't daniel. We'll see right back here tomorrow for a very special thanksgiving episode of the topical. We'll see you next time.
MA Cities Block Access to Permits; Hog Rifles; Private Sale Of Guns: Gun Talk Radio | 11.08.20 Hour 2
"Online shopping is easy and convenient. And the gun deal. Smartphone app makes it inexpensive to deals on guns ammunition holsters optics lasers and more available day and night. Load the gun deal apple or android app today at gun. Deleo dot com. Hi back with the eight six six. Talk gun this will help you out. You give me a call right now. I can answer your questions. If it's about guns or shooting or had a store a gun safely or what gun to get for self defense and a lot of people are wanting to buy guns for self protection. We've had roughly five million first time gun owners purchase guns this year. That's a huge huge leap for someone who says i've never owned a gun before when now i'm going to buy a gun for self protection. That's actually the reasons. Such a leap is because it changes their view of who they are people who say well i. I don't have gone. Think i'm gonna buy a gun man. It takes a lot for that to happen. Oh defined the police riots. Burning looting murders. Yeah there's a lot out there and a lot of people looking at and gone sweeney. We better take care of ourselves. We'd better take care of each other. And i'm not sure we could depend on anybody else to do. We're welcome to reality the show. Here's called gun talk because we talk about well guns and occasionally. I'll get notes like. I did this week so we should stop talking about politics. We'll get it. We'll try to hit a mix between the technology. The politics the fun part shooting recreational shooting collecting. But you know you just can't talk about guns these days without talking about politics and you can't certainly can't talk about gun rights and the nonstop attempts from all quarters to reduce to emasculate at away your gun rights not to mention. Take away your guns. It comes in many forms. It's not just people passing laws in congress. Sometimes it's just an agency not doing what it's supposed to do along. Those lines were joined right now by jim wallace from the gun owners action league and they are involved in well actually addressing exactly that. Hello john how are you sir. How you doing young man. I and well and we're talking about sometimes it's not like an act of the legislature or something. It's just an agency or even a police department or somebody who's just not doing what they're supposed to do. You gotta go hold their feet to the fire. It looks like that's what you're doing here. We've had a problem since the covert issue Started way back in march and right away we we tried to work with the to police chiefs associations that are in mass and the major city chiefs actually has a good leader and teeth guys and he and i started talking right away trying to get towns to figure out how to do things safely and he had some great ideas like for instance. You're supposed to get your photograph taken. And he told all the other chiefs listen just use the registry of motor vehicles photograph. It's perfectly legal. You can just pull it off their site. You know the big thing though was fingerprinting for new licenses and as you talk about leading into it so many people are trying to exercise their second amendment. Civil rights and mass. But they're being roadblock because all of these cities and towns or at least a lot of cities and towns are using covert as an excuse not to fingerprint and not to process their licenses. So it's one of the things that even though they certainly can do safely. I mean yeah. We have to be concerned about kobe. And all those things. But i can go get my favorite cheeseburger my favorite coffee. Whatever i l cy one out there but they can't process licenses in massachusetts and the biggest problem we have even though it's a state license. The state for many many decades has taken no accountability no authority over the chiefs. Who are the so-called issuing authority so they continue to say well we can't tell the chiefs what to do with them. Our argument is wait a minute to state license. They are in fact your vendors. So if you can't tell your vendor. Can you imagine a registry of motor vehicles working like that that the state mandates a driving licence but your local police chief is actually the issuing authority and they don't have the state has no or what's going on are not able to get their license back up in massachusetts. What do you need this license for everything. You can imagine An empty shell casing without a gun licences two years in jail. Oh heavens yeah yeah Even pepper spray was until we fix that. Back in two thousand fourteen pepper spray without a license was considered munition and piece of ammunition whether it's the bullet whether it's the primer whether it's a shell casing that's empty It's one of the things that we have a hard time. At some of our concentration camps in our in our scout camps as kids you know like to use like bring home the twenty two shell that the market for a keepsake and we have to remind them. You can't do that unless you have a gun licence. So else okay. So if you don't have this license you can't have a gun. You can't have ammo. You can't have anything and they just are not issuing these these licenses at all. Well sometimes they're doing a great job. I mean some chiefs have have gone above and beyond and We had one chief that actually it was kinda kind of interesting the way he did it. he set up the the system in one of the the the garages for the public safety. Because it had a indoor and outdoor so people could just drive through the garage do their fingerprinting take out the door and they were great. But a lot of these towns that are absolutely anti-civil-rights using it as an excuse now okay that was gonna be next. Question is are they using this as an excuse because they just don't want people to be able to have guns ammo that's the only conclusion you can come to. Is that especially all these new people. They don't want all these new people to be able to exercise their civil rights because obviously The more people that we have with licenses amass the better off we are because And here's the i already tom. All of these people that for many years told us. Oh you guys are crazy. The systems fine. You know you're just over blowing things to raise money. Lot of those people are now are saying well. Wait a minute. We were told it was so easy we could just walk off the street and buy a gun while they're finding out we were right and all of those special people like the moms were have been lying to them for years. Okay so you filed a lawsuit. We filed one originally against the city of oil and What happened was as soon as we filed a lawsuit and serve them. They suddenly started at least processing licenses. So the federal judge domestic dismissed the case without a hearing So more recently we have filed another lawsuit against three cities. Cambridge weymouth and stoughton. Because they weren't doing anything. I i don't even think they were renewing licenses which can be done pretty much over the phone or via email and As soon as we serve them two of them started to process. Licenses that yeah. So it's it's what we call the whack a mole game here But in the in the new lawsuit we have. We actually drew a good federal judge and he was the federal judge that ruled against our governor when he closed the shooting ranges and the firearm retailers and the state argued that. Wait a minute judge. This is only temporary and even the judge said watch temporary now because we don't know and all this other stuff What why can't you you know. Open up these ranges and retailers under the same conditions. were say. Well you know what we're going to take your civil rights but it's only gonna be temporary. We don't know how long it's gonna be but you should be okay with us taken away because we're it's not gonna be permanent. It's only going be for however long we wanted to be to take away any of your civil rights. No one would buy into that and we knew you know the deprivation of rights. Is you know a right delayed as a right taken away so we also knew which just happened that come fall. Governor baker was going to go back to phase one And use covert has accused the shut things down and once again they have so i mean he just said a curfew massachusetts that nobody's out. You know allowed out after nine thirty now. So i don't know why covid thinks that you know you reach a certain time on the clock and things get worse but you know that's what's going on so we're gonna move forward and one of the things that we're gonna try a little differently. Usually our organization goal does not set up ourselves as a plaintiff for many reasons. But this time we may do been because even though these couple of towns that were suing suddenly started processing doesn't mean they're going to issue anything but if we jump in as a plaintiff th we cover the entire state so even though the a few of the individual plaintiffs in the lawsuit you may get their licenses or at least get their process started we want the entire state to be covered and maybe that that's the next move. This is the kind of thing. I'm always talking about gym. Where i tell people you know. Yes you need to support your national gun rights groups but you also need to support your state gun rights groups because they're the ones on the ground in your state looking for these kind of things and gun owners action league has been. I mean how old is goal. Now oh jeez. We were established in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy four. Wow yeah go back then. There was a ballot question to ban handguns. And that's how we were created back then so it's been a long time. I've been working for goal. On december will be twenty years and director since two thousand five people people to look up what you do. Where do they go. Gold dot org pretty simple and You know we're on. We're on the the dreaded facebook right now maybe pretty soon but So you can find us all over the place there. You go jim wallace. Thank you so much for keeping us informed on this and let us know if anything else develops would all right. Tom be good. Be high take of go. Go l. dot org. If you want to find out what's going on there are number. Here is eight six six. Talk gun what that means. I mean we're open lines. If there's a gun you talk about a story you want to tell something that happened in a gun store. Oh my gosh. The gun store follies. There always a hoot and half or shooting ranges. look out for that guy at that public seating range. 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Huey silencer central dot com. I think senator central what we were talking about was basically me getting a silencer another when a suppressor and i learned something talking but i was not aware of and not heard anywhere he said because of cove it now tobacco you know that tobia silencer. You have the paperwork and you gotta do the photograph and fingerprints and all that stuff or these guys. What do they make it easy. And he's talking me through the process. He said well. You know because the kobe. Atf has changed. Its rules because you can't just like going back to our last caller. You can't go into a lot of places and get your fingerprints. He said so they. Now allow us to mail you fingerprint cards and you do your own fingerprints at home. I was not aware of that. I mean he took all the information on. The phone sends me an email with forms. Click this sign. This thing's gonna mail me. fingerprint cards. We're going to do that. I'm going to get the banished. Thirty which is titanium suppressor can use on thirty calendar anything smaller of course so that was cool. I was not aware of that. That's just gonna make it so much easier and obviously you've been taking a photograph free. That's easy to use heck. You could do that with a cell phone now. You can put it out at a grocery store grocery store drugstore or you can actually send it to them. You may have to them. They'll print it out for you. Do the whole deal. So we're going to make that happen. He said they're looking at seven to nine months. Now the weight which is not terrible. I mean it's unconscionable that you have to do that at all but given what we've been through before that's not terrible terrible very interesting. So what where. I'm going with this. My i got project in mind after you know. I've talked about him. You know how much. I love my ruger number. One single shot rifles love. Honey with them but by. Golly they're a little bit on the heavy side. And i was going up and down the mountains and idaho this hunting season and by the way no deer were harmed in the making of this hunting season. At least not from me. And i'm thinking man. This thing's heavy. So i'm really thinking about getting a superlight weight rifle for next year. And maybe pudding a suppressor on this banished. Thirty you can either be. You can reconfigure either ten or thirteen ounces. Kind of thinking going with hate to do stuff right in the middle of what everybody else is doing. But i think i'm going six creed more. I'm not sure yet. But i'm thinking that's what i'm going to do what we'll talk about that as we go along here. Our number eight six six talk gun. Kelly's called in from california on five aka. What's on your mind sir. it's it's a girl who surprise I have so many things to cover. So just go ahead and cut me off when you're ready Okay i just. I love hunters and hunting and had a lot of huntsmen. Farmers ranchers Patients over the years. And god bless you and l. gives delicious antelope. You know the prettier the animal the more delicious it is so Thank you for all of you. That provide this wonderful nourishing food and the other little comment is. I am really interested in biathlon and doing the boss country skiing with a rifle. 'cause i think it's kinda sexy and I'm going to be looking into sponsors and it's difficult. Because i know it very expensive described by athlon is run a mile and then thread a needle run a mild in threadneedle. That's basically what it amounts to. I love that analogy and then for our hunters with dogs Volunteer with the humane society of san bernardino valley in southern california with lots of other Organizations and i noticed on the vaccination clinic flyer on the front cover is a corona virus vaccine for dogs for five dollars and inside of the flyer. Says we believe your dog's immune system should not be overburdened with vaccines given to frequently or for diseases. Posing no threat. Corona virus vaccination is available on request and this price list was updated on september fourth of two thousand and four and i also found a random photograph showing a smart meter on the electric utility in the background. And i know from lots of good reading and research that influenza is Sort of similar to radiation poisoning and the folks ought to be looking into antenna. Search dot com. Mentioned that you when you say corona vice. Remember that kobe. Nineteen is only one corona virus. There are a lot of different corona viruses. So if they were doing this several years ago. This didn't have anything to do with kobe. Nineteen yeah being you know. A chiropractic applied kinesiology gist and Among other things my mentor worked on me on my fiftieth birthday. Then fix something. That had occurred when i was six months old that had made an imprint. To on my system and Several months ago going through my spring cleaning. I looked in my baby book and i had influenza or the flu at six months of age and It's just an interesting life. Let me let me something. I want to address it because you mentioned the humane society. I wanna people you. I'm sure you know but there are two different national humane societies. there's the american humane society. Which is the the good one which does the clinics and everything and then there's the humane society of the united states h. s us which does nothing good for animals doesn't have any clinics and their primary thing is anti hunting so when people are making a donation going to take a look. The american humane society is good the humane society of the united states. Ats us is especially bad. You wanna make make that distinction between the two. I'm sorry i want to dip in the middle of that. They have so looking at humane society. I thought i gotta. I got mentioned that. Thank you so much for being such a great teacher and a wonderful mentor and instructor yourself. I really enjoy your program and And thank you again. All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate the call issue. Basically an anti an animal rights group their whole deal. Don't eat critters don't have critters for pets. Don't hunt critters don't own critters animals. It's bizarre but when they do their tv commercials trying to get you to donate it. Looks like oh. They're just they're the folks doing the clinics and spain and the neutering and i want to donate them. They're really good at raising money. Then they turn on use that money to pose hunting and sporting dogs and pets as a whole lot of hsen us bad american humane society. Good our numbers. Eight six six talk gun. Have you bought a gun recently. Tell me how all right back with eight six six. Talk gun johns with us out of texas on line two. Hey john while hogs. What are you looking at here well. Oh i've got a friend has two hundred acres in malkom texas post where i live in. Yes hogs come around his place. And i understand that how a wild hogs and the united states are in texas. That's a lot of hogs man. One dead hog up in pennsylvania. When i was driving up there I i was looking for a A hog gun shoot short range. And i thought i was showed a forty five seventy henry. Forty five seventy would that be a good range hop gun. 'cause i do would and one hundred that would be one hundred fifty yard gun easy. And yes if you hit a hog and the right place with the forty five seventy you will have a dead hog. I think that would be number one. It would be effective number two. It'd be very cool. Because i do love our action rifles and i actually own to forty five. Seventy lever action rifle. So i've already voted with my dollars. I think i would be a good choice. Okay all right. That's that's what else that's how be looking for. Then thank you listen. I got john. I gotta go get another john on line. Three abc south dakota. Hey john we're gonna have about a minute for us to talk to me about the second amendment there. John yes all right. I got about a minute for you okay. I would one of the things as i would like For people to start realizing that biak set at a second amendment reads it. We have a right to bear arms and there's also a clause in the constitution that no Legislation judge present. Nobody has got the authority to pats andy law or statute limiting that constitutional rights and that forefathers when they put that in their their whole intention was against the people would be armed and protect themselves against any kind of tyranny government. Okay and all right and they you know it was so. They felt so strongly about that that they actually Advised all the population to arm themselves. That he couldn't afford in arm. They actually furnished them with an arm. You know and so he also talk about for self defense but it's actually more than just individual self defense it's Defense of the nation. Oh absolutely that. That's a big part of the second amendment. It's both it's personal self defense. But it's also to protect the nation. The whole idea was we didn't have standing armies and so we would call upon the militia which was basically everybody out there. And that's the it's now let me ask you because it says here. You're thinking that a lot of people have a i. Guess a misinterpretation or misunderstanding of the second amendment. What do you think that people are thinking. Well as any when you say people don't understand the second amendment. What do you think the people think. Well i don't know you know the people talk about the end of the second amendment but some people they think it's all right that we have to have a license that we have to go through A checking everything. Get him in. The second amendment doesn't say anything about that. We have a right to bear arms and arms is a weapon that could be a rifle shotgun a hand weapon a bowling aero connives arms. Did you actually. you're right. Secondment is not mentioned firearms. It just says arms. The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. John i appreciate the call. So i gotta keep moving here. But it's it's a great point is that there are people out there. You and people who say you know i support the second amendment. But i don't see anything wrong with licensing really would it be okay license. People who want to exercise their first amendment rights would be okay to require people to have a license to go to church if your have. Your license can't go to church and you're gonna have to have a background check. And you. i have to get fingerprinted. Might have to get photographed. Might have renew your your church. Religion on an annual basis or as they do in some places for gun licences. You're going to have to show us that you have a good solid need to have free speech. Otherwise we're not going to issue you your free speech license. I realize there people now who are rolling their eyes and that's just stupid. You're just being sophomoric. Well no actually. I'm being quite literal. First amendment second amendment. Same thing they are. Rights guaranteed not granted not granted guaranteed in the bill of rights and any restriction. You should put you'd be willing to put of the second amendment used to be willing to put in the first amendment background check. Waiting period photographed fingerprinted renewables and having to show good. Cause how about saying were. You don't actually have free speech until you get to be twenty one because you know the us you can buy a long gun from a dealer at age eighteen but you cannot buy handgun at age eighteen or nineteen or twenty your second amendment rights. Don't really start and are not really fully formed until you become twenty one that's weird. It certainly inconsistent actually not even logical. You could be united states marine and have a machine gun at age eighteen. But you can't buy a handgun. You could be issued a handgun marines army eddie's eighteen but can't go by one yourself even if you are a marine even if you are active duty and you have a handgun that you carry when you're on active duty not logical it's part of it's actually a holdover. It's a holdover from a darker time when the goal for a lot of people in government was to try to do away with many gun rights as possible comes out of the nine hundred sixty eight gun control act in the nineteen ninety four bill clinton gun ban and crime bill so when we look at this and we are basically. We're kind of starting the age of enlightenment when it comes to the second amendment. We've been doing this for the last twenty twenty five years a lot of it simply because we ever get things done in the courts that we couldn't get done in congress or state legislatures and frankly i think that amy conybeare it being on the supreme court is gonna be the most important thing for the second amendment in the last quarter century. Because now we're going to be able to push some cases to the supreme court and get some reasonable decisions made based on the law. Not on what they think it should be. And i think we're going to see frankly. An awful lot of the gun laws in california i think are going to be basically. They're going to evaporate salt weapons ban. I think it's going to go away the ban on open carry. I think that goes away the roster on handguns. I think that goes away. There's probably a half a dozen more of these usurp patients of the second amendment of your second amendment rights in california. Go away and then when that happens. That's going to basically be effect with throughout the entire united states. I don't know. I really think we're in for some good times. Yeah i know. I know biden probably as a winning. We have to win both of these senate seats in georgia. We'll be talking about that for too long but in the courts it's looking pretty darn good and why donald j trump. That's why eight six six talk gun be right back. Introducing the all new saint victor from springfield armory are versa line of battle. Ready configurations designed for serious shooters and built on the rock. Solid saint platform for unwavering reliability available in carbon linked rifle s. Pr pistol configurations each. Same victor is purpose built loaded with features to deliver ultimate performance under extreme conditions. The all new saint victor from springfield armory never a victim. Always the victor mental health and guns at walk the talk america. We're working with both the mental health community and the gun industry created by a gun industry veteran. Walk the talk. America's seeks to raise awareness and create change through suicide prevention and firearm safety without legislation we strive to eliminate the prejudice that firearms and mental health. Face for more information and support. Walk the talk america. Please visit walk the talk. America dot org when someone leaves you their gun collection. You may want a few. What do you do with the rest. How do you sell them. Who do you call. Well i call johnny durie at dury's guns whether you're selling one gun or five hundred. They'll tell you what it's worth and write you a check. Simple quick easy fair. I trust juries guys. Give them a call during guns dot com all right back with eight. Six six talk gun. We'll get you there. I'm tom gresham. The show is gun. Talk because we do that. We talk about guns. Let's see ray called in from grants pass oregon on four. Hey appreciate you holden what. You're looking for eight tom. How're you doing great question. I i have a little bit of everything. Pay rs banking eleven and everything else. I wanted to try something different. And i'm an avid reader loader. For my seven millimeter mouser and stuff. What should i be looking at. Who should i be looking at. As far as like maybe a black powder case was eighteen fifty one. The new model army are just start off with one of those traditional single single shots. I guess they call them the trap her. Well there's a lot of ways so you're wanting to get into black powder shooting. Yes the simplest way is going to be to start with a basic muzzleloader rifle and learn black powder through that. It couldn't be couldn't be simpler. I mean it really is. I mean you can literally learn the stuff off of youtube now and a safer black powder rifle and it's just a hoot and a half and fun and you can shoot them with many balls in balls patch balls and say bows and in a lot going on then you can use real black powder or synthetic replace air fire. Dex the others out there again. All knowledge now is available on youtube. It's weird but it really and if it were me i would probably start with a simple muzzle loading rifle. Tried that and see if you like it and if you if you say okay i like the whole thing that's going on with the smoke and the boom and all that stuff and then you go. Okay well. I got to create a revolver. Now i gotta go. Do this other thing in your brian. This is like everything else. There's no end to how far you can go on this. It's like every other hobby. What should i mean. It's as as far as manufacturer Should i be looking at. I mean there was like traditions of he. you know. that's that's like saying order by truck. Which one should i get. I don't know you go look at them and go. Honestly you know what you may even look at it and say i like the looks of that one. I don't care for that. That's enough that that can be enough right there. They all make good stuff. Nobody's making bad stuff anymore. They can't get away with the hits. Everybody talks about stuff. So i would say find the one you liked the looks of try. It is not terribly expensive. One get started. And then we'll go from there a fifty caliber. I guess is like the the basic rifle. No it's again. it's whatever you want. You can get whatever caliber you want. You just going to. You know what you're gonna have to start your education. I can't go muslim already one here because that's an hour long show but i would say just start doing your research and you. Don't frankly just go. John amazon or go. Your local gun store see if they have any books on it in some places some gun stores if you check around or they will actually offer classes and you can actually take a class. Now if you'd like to. Jim says hey callback for the after show and we'll put you on with michelle and michelle is our resident black powder. Expert okay oh okay cool so call us back. See about an hour and we'll get a slide into the after show and we'll get you the whole education there. I think you're i appreciate it all right. Thank you for the call. Appreciate that nancy's into lehto online. To hello nancy here on. I know tom I missed all but the tail end of the run off in georgia. no How do you have to be a georgia resident to vote in the runoff in georgia. Yeah not if you're a democrat. That's a joke. Act yes you do have to be a resident and and georgia's to vote and the other thing is. If you're a resident georgia you still have time to register to vote in this runoff. There's two runoffs two senate seats. And they're vitally important and since. You're not a georgia resident. What you do two things you could contact any people you know friends or relatives in georgia get them to vote and in this case honestly both for the republicans. Because that's gonna be key and the other thing you can do is you can make a donation to the candidacy The republicans running for the runoff. And you can find those online. Gotta run appreciate the call. Yeah day working in just a few minutes. We'll be talking about this georgia rates. It's gonna be really important. I never eight six six talk that year. Eight six six talk done. Try and find out an answer for a. He's calling out of reno nevada on line one. Hey do you What you asking for here. I found good show. Thanks for taking my call I'm in nevada. And i wanted to find out is illegal to sell a legal firearms to buy a citizen to another citizen without using a Gun dealer. We're i'm actually. I don't live in nevada. So i'm trying to find out for you right now. I just got conflicting information here from my source. There is there universal background check. He says yes. I said for private sales. He says no then. He says the past it about four to five years ago but they had a problem with it said i think there is a what they call a universal background check in nevada. And i think you are required to go through a dealer. I am not positive about that but all you have to do is call your local any local gun store and just ask them okay. What do you think about it you think. are you buying or selling. what are you doing selling. Okay where do you selling. I have a Six hour Nps system okay. And i mean do you have somebody located that you want to sell it to know. I don't know okay. What i would do is again because i don't live in nevada and this seems to be a little bit murky for me. I'm trying to understand it right now. I would call if i were. You would call a local gun store and say look. Do i have to go through a gun store to do the University of background check do background check on private sale. Or can i just do a private sale on my own and they will tell you one way or the other and then it's not a big deal in this case. If you want to do that. I actually know people who prefer to go to a gun store and do it that way anyway. So they've got a record of who ended up with the name. Yeah exactly exactly. So you know that. That's kind of where we are. Yeah allergist curious about a doing to myself. Because i figured i might get more money for the gun than what somebody would offer me in store. Here's the you're not selling to the store you're selling to the individual then you go to the store and they do the paperwork for you. That's all that's true. Yeah that's right yes okay. Yeah okay. I got my note. Yeah no private allowed so you do. In fact nevada have to go to a gun store to do the transfer anyway. So that one's not even you work your best deal out and then go to the store and they're never going to charge you a feed handle the paperwork so there's going to be a cost to that so call around to the gun stores and ask them how much they charge for that But then you are going to go to a gun store to make that happen okay. Do i have one quick question. Or you bet Being teeth firearms swiss company. I'm trying to. I want to get a hold of somebody there to inquire about buying alerts nine millimeters sub guns right. And i'm this hard. I i don't know how to do it. I i go on their website. i see all these videos on youtube. Where they they review the gun that i liked. But there's they don't have any information. They don't have any contact information on their website. Contact give nation. Okay well you know. What if they don't have the contact information either they don't really exist or they don't want you to contact them. Say okay fine. i'll go find somebody else. 'cause anybody that's that clueless are non responsive. I'm not sure. I want their product. Anyway how am i going to contact him. If i have a problem. You know just my take on it. Look i appreciate the call sir. And i'm able to get you the information. Yeah it's You do have to do the background. Check through a gun store there. Unfortunately universal background checks bad idea actually in my view not everybody agrees paul background checks are bad idea because i think background checks an infringement on your constitutionally guaranteed right when we come back we're going to be talking about the election starts to day. The georgia senate races. They are that important. You don't wanna miss them.
Ep.51- Jane MacMurchy, Animal Charity
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Which i think would ethic is a great idea and with that though i decided that for this period of time from from now until the end of the year i'm actually going to incorporate of our local nonprofits that are so so central for our community in our area because you guys are extremely important as well banking of. I know i will tell you. From just a personal standpoint that the local nonprofits in this community are struggling right now. Because we can't do normal in-person fundraising. We can't do our normal in person meetings with community members to tell people why were in need and so. That's why it's so so amazing that you're doing that because we are losing out on a chunk of what keeps us going throughout the year and so doing things like podcasts. In trying to get on radio shows in trying to you know expand. Our pr is really what is going to make the difference this year. A hundred percent. And you're right. it is difficult. We've all had to adapt and to these new times but if you can't be in front of people's faces telling them that you have a need unfortunately our lives are so hectic and so crazy that we often forget. Yeah not intentionally. But it's just with everything is not in the forefront of our minds but yet is still the forefront of our needs right exactly and so many nonprofits in this community are the lifeline for the people that are in the most need. These nonprofits are the lifeline for them to get essential supplies and essential goods and services that You know that are really getting them through so one hundred percent. So of course part of the prerequisite to be on the hudson hops. Podcast includes a delicious beverage. So what beverage are you drink. Drink gang a. What's on the glass. Thirsty dog had But i will tell you. I will drink anything. That has Any glass that has beer. We'll drink it actually. This guy revere percent you want me to know piece by okay. He's good he's just he's just going to be included on the podcast. So this totally. Yeah i can you start here come on up so i believe drinking and you'll like this store story. I'm drinking refrigerator. A pale ale on. And it's and it's by on crooked tongue when i which is not too far away. And what what i. The reason i chose crooked time was because the name of the brewery is after. I believe if. I'm stadium distorted story correctly. It is after his sister sister. Sister-in-law's dog that she would take him out walking. The dog would have his tongue out is crooked. The name zachary. He was rescued by dress. My wife the humane agent and he came in with a whole letter five puppies and then his older sister and He is about a year and a half old now but they were being abused. So so what kind of dog is he. Dna tested him. He is a heinz fifty-seven. He is a rottweiler. Pit bull sharpei chow chow. Beagle cocker spaniel. Mix like he is everything under the sun vocal Zachary says a lot to say that he does so we also just recently rescue a little kitty pot. Little mr perry. You guys was the story. But what is the story behind perry. Okay so for perry. We got a call that somebody was trying to sell puppies on facebook that were only three weeks old. So we were given an address and we went to the house and we found two moms with two litters of puppies queenie was the mom of the one and The other litter of puppies were eight weeks old so the it was an elderly woman. queenie lived outside and was not spayed and Was giving birth twitter after litter after and they were just trying to pretty much constantly. Give puppies away Because they couldn't care for them so we educated her on how to change your setup what she needed to do and she did relinquish queenie and both litters of puppies to is so we can get them the care that they needed because the problem was it was ninety four degrees out in the shade that day and The the the puppies were not doing well. They were lethargic. They were dehydrated. They couldn't stand. They weren't being active at all. We were really concerned that they would be dying of heat stroke if we didn't rescue them right then So we brought them all back and we transferred the eight week old puppies to a different organization another humane society And we kept queenie and her babies until We could find some a larger organization to place them as well So queenie unfortunately heart worm positive. So she not only had to finish raising her litter but she also had to undergo heart worm treatment so lake humane society ended up taking the transfer of all of them and they went up there to finish growing and getting stronger and healthier and that is when and you've met them early on in their journey and then you were able to bring one home absolutely backed up and part of our conversation suicide. I do want to talk about because there. There's a horrible stigma at that. That little pit bulls have against them. And and you know this is trying to explain to even my husband Two defunct the rumors that you hear because they are like i could. I could definitely test. The fact that perry is what are the most loving queenie was absolutely had so much. Love and yeah. It's just amazing. So how would you. How would you like to tell me about Basically it's not the dog not the owner rate exactly and we see it so many times where we'll walk up to a chain a dog that's changed out a pity that out That's being abused and bear not friendly when we approach them and we have to work a little bit harder to get them off of their chain in to rescue them And then we give them time to decompress send in actual love. N you see that. They're not mean bear struggling to survive usually and that's the point back like we always people. There's the job that is being abused in the home. That's gonna act one way. There's a there's a job that's in the shelter that's depressed inside. It's gonna act another way and then there's the dog that's finally adopted in a home in loved an adult dog that's loved and they thrive and when you are rescuing from such a young age in their growing up with just love. That's all that's all they do. That's all they know how to give. It's it's truly based off of how they're raised in treated and everything like now. Yeah and that's i mean really that's with. Any of us is humans as well as animals. It's our environment that we're in and then we project that out and that's that is probably true and i do love seeing that on. The trend of adopting pimples is definitely happening. I mean from betty white too late for i mean. It's definitely seems to be the thing to do on. And i will smell you like as long as you train a dog. The dog will be pretty. Well behaved as head. Perfect member of your family so and they live with better than kids. So there's that too we all recommend Training a dog whether they're you know eight weeks old or eight years old Because you want to set the dog up for a positive outcome don't want we don't want to set dogs up for failure and you have to remember that when you are rescuing dog adopting dog. I'm no matter what age they are. You're doing it for them and not for yourself so you have to do. What's best for them and not what's best for yourself. And that's why the whole lifetime commitment is it's a lifetime commitment for that sole for that dog back year rescuing It is not for convenience for yourself if there's struggles so that's why it's such an important decision in we take adopting in finding families so strong so so can you give us a little bit of a background about animal charity. And then how you ended up at animal charity So animal charity is mahoning county's only humane society so we're the only organization that has a humane agent that was appointed by the court that has the ability to To investigate animal cruelty abuse neglect and abandonment under the ohio revised code we have a certain section of lives that were That arkham agent can follow in order to rescue. Animals sees animals and then ultimately bring our cases to our prosecutor for charges of animal cruelty So we're the only organization that does that animal charity opened in nineteen sixty three People think we're new or that you know there's a lot of you know growth right now. We're really trying to push out there. So people think we are new. But we're not we've been we've been around since nineteen sixty three When the late great gene kelty. But i've been in now since two thousand seventeen. I started as a volunteer. I volunteered my wife. Just who's the humane agent. She started she was a working and I had a lot of downtime in. I thought i would just start volunteering. So i would go up and just help and do whatever i could and then when it came time for me to be like i think i want you know i want a job or i wanna do something. They offered me a job. Because i had been bond tearing for a year and i was really fortunate that they did offer me a job because i was spending all of my time thinking dreaming about being a part of animal charity. So just gonna move my pillow from not the dogs. Their comfort come on. How many dogs do you have. Why have three. And the all special needs Yeah so it is. It is challenging. Because obviously when i got all three did not know they were special needs while actually allied my middle child Zeke i didn't know he was special need. That's why we got him. He had he was a breeder dog and he had severe anxiety they were going to be able to find him a home. ed's i was like just just. Gimme the puppy like wool. He'll be fine. You're like are you sure So that's obviously it's challenging but My oldest has epilepsy. And then my baby. Zack has It's called shar pei fever Stoppers from these really high fi burs. That only happened in the shar. Pei breed and there's no cure or rhyme or reason to them so every time. He spikes a fever. He has to go to the hospital and Get iv fluids and antibiotics and it's it's incredibly incredibly challenging. So i mean it is third your children and those things that you do for them right important as any other member of family. Yeah are you going to get any more so we joke in this so so so completely a joke but this one right here. I don't know if you can see him. His name z keys my one with anxiety and he actually is afraid of anything in life that has dark colored so Like i just put the sweater on in. He was terrified of it coats. Anything black brown navy blue anything dark in color. He's afraid of so we've gotten we've brought home fifteen different fosters and he didn't like any of them because they were either a black dog or with brown spots or deal. Yeah he was just a no then. We brought home zach. Who looks just like kim same color. And he's like this. Is my baby like this is my baby and he chose him until we always leave it up to our dogs to find the next one because there's always a need for a foster so it's easy for me to just bring him home and then find them a home through work But with zach him in my other dogs they bonded so well. So i mean i just two weeks ago. I had a puppy here. I bring 'em home all the time. But if my dog's decided like that one of the puppies i brought home as their pac member than they'll stay. Awesome the way to do it too. Yeah i love that. So within vulgarity. Nineteen sixty three. Did not into that before. I diverted us off. What also makes you from the other ones in the area besides having the humane agent which is absolutely phenomenal. That advocate -bility of doing that. So that is what really sets us apart. We are a extension of law enforcement. We are the only organization that is able to use those laws to prosecute and to rescue animals so the other organizations in mahoning county are rescue organizations so rescue organizations are nonprofit or smaller sized small or large nonprofit organizations that have their own mission but they are unable to prosecute or remove animals in yousef situations so they can take in stray dogs or owner surrenders transfer from other humane societies in the country They have those protocols themselves but for us. We don't take in strays. We don't take an owner surrenders Are only taking animals that are abused neglected and abandoned. Then obviously right now with kobe. It's different because we do have the responsibility with the hospitals and paramedics when they call saying they're bringing somebody ovid positive or elderly to the hospital. Who has animals It's our responsibility to go and get those animals if they don't have family or friends to take care of them. I know there's one little pup there that's been there a few times My son absolutely loves walking her. Yeah bless yes she's fabulous. I me and our dog walks with so much pride. it's awesome. She's back she went home. Owner will is released from the hospital for about a week into. She did get to go home for a few days but unfortunately it was the same situation. She was back in the hospital with no family or friends and was left in the home alone And we had to find somebody that could get a key and get into the house and bring the dog to us so blessed unfortunately has been a frequent flyer Will do whatever we can to help that group of elderly community members that are in need. Now what makes you guys different from a dog water so the dog warden is a county organisation that is county funded and they what they can enforce their licensing so every dog has to have a dog licence. They also handle any bites that happen When a dog bites a human so their goal is to really make sure that the animals in the community our state for humans and we're the opposite so our goal is to make sure that the animals are safe from humans Yes yes so. They protect the community members. That are human. We protect the community members. That are animals but you can adopt from them to right. Yeah we we pull animals from them so they get an increase lately of animals that have medical needs and because we have a small clinic even though it is small we are able to do Vaccinations than just basic care. So we'll animals from them So that way they can keep their cages. Open for all of those strays owner surrenders. And you guys do not euthanize correct so That's what's important about working with The pound is that we have a very strict policy of no euthanasia for space for time. that is something were afforded Because we are not mandated by any outside agency We are truly compassionate about the animals in. Don't think that there's any reason that an animal should be euthanized because the organization doesn't have space so we make it known that if you know worst saying that were not taking in strays and owner surrenders. It's because we're making room for those. That are abused They have priority. It's not because we don't think that strays and owner surrenders are any less worthy of being rescued. But there the rescue organizations that are local that can focus on those animals right. I mean it's a great partnership to have and you mentioned it before when you were talking about Perry's mom and her litters guys have such a great reach if you will was a. Was it you who was telling me about You guys currently have. I don't know if he's still actually last week. You had an akita there in which Akitas need to make sure that their owners know how to raise an akita cracked and from my understanding. Your reach accents always jersey. Yeah so we are. We rescued fury and her eight week. Old puppy Fury came in. She's she was underweight. She had given birth to multiple multiple litters. She was living in youngstown however her original origin was the lancaster. Amish oh wow yet. and so. That was her original origin before she ended up in young sound as a steady dog and she was used for breeding And she was in terrible shape and we offered To while we were rescuing her. We said how are the other dog. Can we see them. And they showed us her legal puppy who had a massive infection from a wound and he needed to go to the hospital he needed. Iv antibiotics and treated quickly to get back. Infection surgically opened and drained In at eight weeks old. They're obviously more compromised so we brought both of them in gate. We took bigger to the hospital where he was treated and He's a medical foster currently and We are fortunate to have an actual akita rescue on standby vets in new jersey. That will be taking both of them as transfers to find them the proper akita home which is awesome and i will say fury as much as she's been through that dog has so much love and her it. S she's beautiful. She is a beautiful dog so her personality is most akitas So she'll be very easy to adopt out because she is friendly for all You know sometimes it's like we just talked about with pit bulls. It's really how you raise them if you don't know how to raise an akita in respectful and loving home You can easily be taken advantage of You know in any situation with a puppy and we don't want to see them ending up in the wrong hands. So that's why we leave it up to the experts to help us which is awesome and then you have other partnerships north of here. I'm sure you have other Humane society ryan our savior's up in lake county. I don't know what we would do without them. They've taken over three hundred. animals have found them homes in the last two years. Like how how has been rescued. Would you say this year. So on average we rescue about five hundred a a year This year with cova did we had the slightest step. It is november and we are probably about four hundred twenty animals in while that. Isn't you use this. Yeah just the slightest debt from last year but you have to think were shut down for two months. That is true so it's still not still not that far away from your average correct. I know we've been talking a lot about dogs but you guys also rescue lots of cats and is were an intricate part of the hundred. Plus cat rescue over the summer. Yeah so we rescue more than just dogs and cats. sorry. I'm giving you a tour de france right now as i let my dogs out. It's not just dogs in chats. Today i just got a call about a restart We rescued we rescued chickens and goats. Said horst is in everything we we rescue it. I've always wanted to call you in sullivan on the next one. Because they're fun to be able to be a part of but the cat rescue We were. We were given a call while i was not a human agent was by many different organizations in the county so health department zoning the city officials They had received initial complaints that there were a thousand rat one thousand rats infesting the outside of a home in youngstown. That was the initial report. We had no idea what we were. Getting into a neighbor or a passer-by or somebody than had also called and said i think that they have twelve cats in my mind. I'm like okay. Twelve cats fine but then she told me about the rats. And i was like okay. So it's probably not suave cats so let me crap. Now this is the night before. This was a thursday night that she said were meeting tomorrow at ten. Am like sorry about the prep time. So i'm thinking to myself. Let me prep for fifty ish forty fifty because then whether it's easier to just close up some crates and put them back on the shed than to be scrambling at the last minute to find spine crates to set up. So i in my mind. I was like okay. Twelve all do fifty. We set up. I set up for fifty. I had my twelve plastic cap carriers loaded in the van cleaned disinfected. Ready to go In the jess walked in the room they were discussing the options with the homeowner And it was apparent to her that there was probably about forty cats in the first room and at that point just walks out of the house and makes ray to me and she said you need to call. I had assembled five volunteers of five of our own tears to come up and help and i know sullivan. And your Came in the day before. And they're like like looking at me. Like what do you do with all those crates and carriers as like. We might be getting a bunch of cats tomorrow. I don't know and they were there to see queenie in the puppies yes and and and i was like. Can you help so. They're like sure so. They helped me carry them out. Load them up in the van. And then Yeah just walked out of the house and said you need to call the volunteers in have them set up a single creighton. The building in i was i said how many and she said probably seventy and i was like okay. We can do that so we cleared out all of our furniture like desks. We moved all of the chairs. The lobby seating we stock piled up in the corner and we just started setting up crates and we set up for seventy and then the numbers went from fifty to sixty seventy to eighty to ninety to ninety five at the end of day. One we were at ninety eight and it was the worst experience of my life and We set some traps and we had to go back every day and see who else was there and continue to check and everything to make sure we got everybody and By demolition day there was one hundred hundred and one demolition started. They were extremely slow They picked off each piece of drywall. And floor to level the house They did it so so so slow. And so if a cat was seen we were able to run rescue them. I mean the profound everywhere bag by the christians of a couch. When nancy if you think of your walking into a home and You would see like you walk into the. It's now it's a two story home and it's almost like shotgun style so you walk into the living room and then it's the kitchen Stairs up two bedrooms done. It's like it was a home but it was dripping in cat urine. There was plastic tarps covering every surface that had just puddles puddles puddles of urine and feces. And but like it was all set up like there was the couches in kitchen table but there was just. If you moved the cushion there would be a whole and there be seven cats in that hole in the couch. And that's what we're finding them. We were moving things in. There would be a hole in the piece of furniture in the box. Spring had three or four cats in it kitchen cabinet. I opened the kitchen cabinet and there was a cat giving birth in the kitchen. Oh my god habit that was duct taped shut. I mean just unreal. I mean. I'm surprised that somebody was able to to live in that situation. Just simply because on a healthy environment that the person surprised didn't maybe they didn't have just unaware fall. Very ill yeah. They have offered machines that they were suffering from. Health problems But just from just stay one The humane agent had to have oxygen three times on scene. The fire department had to come with three crews with full gear to help us i was. I'm sorry this is so much. Tm i I was vomiting in my mask. Because it wasn't helping in we don't own like somebody on crew through us. An extra respirator to us. Because we don't have the we don't have those like when we tell you that we're using your funds that are donated goes to the animal was we'd go without So yeah i was in the hospital just was in the hospital. Three firemen had to be attended to the hospital. That first evening assists is absolutely amazing. And i mean. I think that story shows how. How severely important you are as a nonprofit in our area and how we need to do our best to make sure that we do have animal charity to protect the animals from us it aired there are. I mean nobody's perfect so we need assistance in areas. And i know that you guys are absolutely phenomenal. I know i love the fact that you guys did not euthanize and that you guys are there to to these animals out of unhealthy situations. yeah as far as it being connected with realty. I will tell you that animal abuse is not localized to the inner city. As people think it is everywhere. We have rescued in the suburbs. And and everything like that and you just never know and a lot of calls we get our from realtors We get calls from realtors all the time. They'll be showing a home. They'll be a dog on a chain With no food or water in the backyard. And it's our job to go An investigate those reports A lot of realtors have found abandoned animals. We get new homeowners that will say The previous owner left their cat locked in the basement. And it's our job to go On those calls to we we take any landlord realtor. Everybody that's in your industry Like it's amazing. The things that you guys can find to And we really appreciate constantly that realtors are able to and feel the need to call and report what they see as well. We definitely at bit more access if you will to. What's happening inside inside people's homes and with that it is it. In my opinion it is all of our responsibilities that if we see something neglect or abuse to always report it no matter what Otherwise to me what what could be the result from you not is is just not. It's just not worth that guilty conscience if he will but so now with all the animals that you guys do have and which you guys do have a pretty like i feel like you guys have a really good successful turnover by the weaker. The one animal charity In and i know sullivan really loves going to the boardman one. Because i think it is because they these animals are just being rescued and i feel like he feels that once. They moved on canfield that they don't need his assistance as much anymore. Because they're they're ready to go and ready to adopt without what. How do we help. People like how they could go through the process of adopting one of these cats or dogs or horses or rooster. Animal charity So obviously we are. Our doors are closed for covid We are curbside by appointment. So the best thing to do is to go to our website which is www dot. Animal charitable Dot org and you'll see the adoption application and to fill out the adoption application. Email it to aco adoption at gmail.com. And then you'll be scheduled an appointment Obviously things are slow right now. We have a backlog of applications that we are constantly going through and it sometimes takes a little longer to get people right now because we're not able to say our doors are open. Come in meet the dogs. It's all scheduled so it slows things down quite quite a bit and we understand people's frustrations with how long the process is taking right now but we are working absolutely as hard as we can to get these dogs into homes. Because that's our number one goal is to get them into homes. So yes loving homes. Are you ready for the last portion of the podcast. Yes ma'am so. This is the rapid fire right. Okay so tell me always so. This is gonna be fun with this. Always try to keep in mind where you would take your pet as well. so so. what's your favorite brewery beer locally around here. We should be asking justice. Question actually now My gosh i love. I love noble creatures. So i mean. I haven't found something from there that i haven't liked i'm to go with noble creatures. Iras dozen absolute phenomenal job with his beer. It's a great place to take your dog to especially with a new outdoor patio. Which i've done that yet so definitely need to do it. And they are very welcoming to dogs there so there is your favorite restaurant to go to locally. I know this sounds like i don't know suzy's dogs in drafts. Love going too suzy's because of the relaxed atmosphere. I feel like we can. When it used to be like open open. We could earn like if teen family members and the kids and the kids would be all occupied with the games and we would be able to just relax. And yeah i like. I like suzy's dogs in drafts. I can tell you my boys will also agree and there is a bergen dog. Bear that once you should try. It's actually a really good. It doesn't sound good but it tastes really good. And then finally what your favorite place to go locally in our area like mockery par- Nicole is mentioned the cemetery in columbia. What's your what's your favorite spot home. I mean i'm a sucker for boardman park If i had to pick somewhere. I mean bordman park has always been so welcoming to us said an. I love working with them for the adoptive palooza that we used to do every year. I mean this year was different but I like the accessibility of it under the trails are super easy to for for like little puppies. Kids i i really do. Like a ended is really pretty and they do do a lot of community events. Yeah i'm excited for that low common to open Because i feel like that's going to be of those new favourite goto places that's local and central and easy accessible easy accessibility and things like that. I agree completely. I can't wait for it to happen as well. Miss great to see the transformation. Ride the mall with the new like what they're doing to the exterior facade and everything. I'm very excited. Actually now with have something. That's another outdoor activity for the community members to do hopefully. Yeah i'm all about outdoor activities. Always happen on a real estate perspective. How i see plazas mixed-use places. I always think that that greenspace needs to be included in. I remember actually my first commercial real estate job back in dc One of my favorite architecturally. There's the the old post office building while. But i'm they have at the time in exhibit. That was focused around greenspace. And basically how we were all trending one way with with basically putting up a building or a home or some some sort of some functionality that was more concrete if you will of words for such a long period of time but this back in two thousand seven with this exhibit is showed how worldwide bay started to go back to more greenspace and more of a passive use of the space and how much that is needed to be incorporated when when working on development projects shrine so hopefully the debartolo comments is is showing our trend back to that which is awesome. Yeah and hopefully they'll be friendly to because that's that would be my next thing. I would love to be able to walk along the side of the street and see people eating outside with their puppies. Lay down whether tables homestead. I love homestead in colombiana and they our pet friendly end owner adopted. A dog from us named benny. And so benny is like always bear. So if you go to homestead and you see a little brendel puppy running around. that's funny. He didn't yet the. I you guys met benny kerber. that's awesome. That's that is an animal. Charity dog and I live for their sauerkraut balls at homestead. It's like a weapon when you get to go hang out. it's outside. They have outside tent and jog friendly. So that's awesome so last thing. I want to touch base on is let everybody know how they can donate and help out animal charity to keep you guys going. Yeah so we are facing closure we have been facing closure since december of twenty nineteen We are not government funded and we do rely solely on donations to keep us going and keep our doors open so the best way to donate is to go to our website. Our facebook page. We are animal. Charitable hieaux on facebook in our website is animal charity. Bohio dot org assad awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. Thank you so much for bringing the idea to me That i can do on their. I ninety so ed sullivan you know. Love you guys and we'll do anything as well now. He's a bright light at the staff gets extremely happy when he shows up in his little mask in as little smiling sound animals that he loves it there. Obviously obviously this week. We're gonna keep everyone safe until we get results back. But hopefully we'll be back next. Bun times cheers cheers.
A Cat Hater Reflects on a Year of Cat Ownership
"Hi i'm chris. Kepler and welcome to disease happen to you. I'm an actor voice actor audiobook narrator and writer. I love telling and sharing stories about the strange experiences. My friends and i have while doing mundane things like grocery shopping. That's why this podcast features funny stories from fantastic writers about our daily anomalies a micro audio book about life and befuddling just for you. Our story this week is from margot saito who you'll find on medium dot com in the publication. The bowl italic and here is a cat. Hater reflects on a year of cat ownership. What a year. It's been to be a first time mom to a feline cat sir assholes and i'll never change my mind about that. They use their piercing is to see and your mind purely to calculate ways to irritate you at the worst moment. Well i have always felt this way. My boyfriend comes from a cat family through an through to give you a better idea of what i mean. While on a holiday hometown visit one year his parents today show and tell of their cremated cat closet. I think there were ten boxes of ashes. But i lost count after the first few. This is when i realized that there is no limit to how much people love their feline friends. And i understood how vital cat ownership was for the well being of my boyfriend who had been without a pet for the first time since we moved in together the previous year he had always had his own or at least a roommate's cat around understanding his family's multi generational love of cats combined with knowing a pet would help with my boyfriend's depression. I finally agreed to get a cat last year along with me. Moving to the suburbs and getting a car cat ownership would confirm that hell had indeed frozen over. Cat has to like me too. okay. I said to my boyfriend repeatedly in the days leading up to a trip to the peninsula society and spca psyching myself up for this life. Change i didn't know if i was ready for clause and cat poop but we were going to see kinney's i'd be a monster of if i didn't at least like looking at baby animals. We tried hanging out with a couple of different kittens. All of whom my boyfriend wanted. of course. i wasn't vibing with them. Though then. we went to a room full of three month. Old black kitties. A couple of my friends have cool. Black cats and i had actually grown to like their social nature's and halloween or as so said on the floor and some kittens star to climb on me. One initially got my attention by walking on my arm but another silently made his way into my lap and settled there. That's the one declared my boyfriend of the scraggly kitty with blue eyes in oversized ears on the elevator. Ride down with the tiny kitten into. We both decided to call him frank sinatra. Frankie would suit his young personality. Well frankie was still recovering from an upper respiratory infection and couldn't even me. Yeah when we brought him home. We kept our bedroom door. Open the first and frankie nestled in my hair. Each night i barely slept out of fear of accidentally crushing him but he was never scared of his new home. Nor did he mark his territory with in famously. Stinky cat p. He's going to be a good cat. I can tell said my boyfriend. After a couple of days he was right. I've never seen a hairball. And frankie has rarely thrown up is easily temperament allows us to pick him up and kiss him almost whenever we want a perfect cat for a cat hater like me now. One year and five hundred plus cat photos later booth. Frankie and i have changed. He yells outside of the bedroom door every morning. Like a rooster. I want to cuddle then. Play catch or fetch with his favourite mouse toy. Frankie creates parker routines for himself around the apartment and loves playing with each person he meets. I've learned that animals have their own personalities. And i can read his moods before interacting with him. I have to pause and call my if i want. Kitty cuddles i had never picked up a cat. Before i had frankie and in doing so i am getting over my fear of getting scratched. I'm still practicing how to krill him like a baby in my arms. Well on my way to becoming a proper cat lady. I'm not going to lie though. I'm still scared of frankie. I scream either in surprise or pain because of him once daily. I can't yet bring myself to cut his nails or clean his. I think i shove all those duties to my boyfriend. Though i've somehow become the main pooper scooper and don't mind frankie licking my face with his cat breath. The emotional benefits of having frankie have only become magnified during the pandemic. He snuggles with us when he senses. We are sad especially since my boyfriend's depression has become more intense during this time. When it feels like there's no end to pandemic on employment frankie's presence has been an emotional anchor. He gives us a reason to wake up in the morning. We don't have a choice with his roost like tennessee's and having to take care of him forces us to keep our apartment ourselves in order. Some days are more successful than others. Natinally there's been a rush of pandemic. Pet adoptions due to more people being home and wanting to stave off loneliness. Buffy martin tar box communications manager for the peninsula humane society and spca said the shelter has moved to an adoption by appointment setup to comply with social distancing regulations as a result of the new adoption policy. People are spending more time thinking about adoption logistics as well as time on the phone with staff for information on what to expect because of this advanced planning there aren't as many impulse. Adoptions return rates are lower said tar box she also said it's still kitten season and the shelter will still experience litters coming in as late as december january. Some shelters give adoption discounts during kittens. Season such as the east bay. Spca with its keto fest through november first and for pet owners financially struggling during covid nineteen the peninsula spca an other bay area pet shelters run pet food. Banks would no questions ass. I can say now that. I love my sweet cat even with his cat whole tendencies. He likes knocking over water glasses and has destroyed all of our plants. He carved out a door for himself in our venetian blinds and loves to leap through the horizontal. Slats haphazardly at the sound of a bird or lawnmower. One day we'll have to use our security deposit to fix the blinds. But i know this little parlor panther is worth it. Thanks so much for listening. If you enjoyed the story let me know and share it with your friends. Follow me at kris k. K. aria on twitter or kris k. Kepler on facebook or check out my website. Www dot chris kepler dot com.
How to Create, Deliver, and Capture Value for Professional Services with Tim Williams
"Devote the time and energy to the scope of value question. These closures on established proposal San in principle now, which is how Much gold for any base. Names don't. All. Welcomed to impact pricing the podcast where we discuss pricing value and the professional relationship between them on March diving to Dr Tim. Williams. Here are three things you want to know about Tim. Before we start, you founded the ignition consulting group twenty two years ago, and he's still there he focuses on business and pricing models for agencies and professional services firms, and he's on the Board of the Humane Society Oh and I just learned he has a second home in Moab where I was a few weeks ago and absolutely loved a beautiful place. Welcome. Tim. Thank you. Pleased to be here mark. How did you into pricing? Well, that's an interesting question. I started a consulting practice focused exclusively on positioning strategy business strategy for professional firms. Mostly, my sweet spot is the advertising agency world, but I've worked with law firms accounting firms. Architectural firms but professional services primarily, I met a gentleman that you know well, Mart Ron Baker about twelve thirteen years ago, and he just turned my life upside down when it comes to pricing I was. As a former CEO myself I was deep into the traditional cost accounting world and Ron, just completely changed my paradigm. So there was really no one working in in my space in pricing at the time, and there are still very few. But I owe my conversion to pricing and value pricing modern pricing to bake. It's interesting. What was the What was the first big change was trying to get them to go away from hourly and to you more of a project based pricing? Yeah. That's the big problem in professional services is the hourly rate the. That was adopted as a pricing model in the forties by law firms adopted by other kinds of professional services and actually adding sees we're kind of late to the early rate game in the sense that they didn't start doing it 'til maybe the mid nineteen eighties. So that's the problem is professional firms trying to package up the tremendous value they create in two hourly rate and That's the wrong unit for knowledge work. Isn't it? Because the nature of knowledge work is that the advice and solutions can create tremendous value irrespective of the amount of time was spent developing the solution. That's absolutely right. So I thought, I always thought advertising agencies charged based on a percent of the spend from their clients they they used to back in the days of madman that was the dominant compensation structure agencies would earn a commission on the media that they placed on behalf of their clients. So hence, the word agent in agency it much like the business model of a travel agent who owns who earns commissioner or real estate agent. Agencies were true agents back then but when the consolidation of the advertising business started happening in the nineteen eighties. The big multinational firms actually decided to take their agency business and divided into specialized it so that you have media separate from creative and you've got pr and you've got experiential and you've got advance unsold there's. Lots of different specialties. So unless you're immediate aims, you can't earn the media commission. So they had to look for another revenue. Model. And they unfortunately adopted the hourly rate bad decision. So the hourly rate just makes so much sense when you're thinking about, how do I cover my costs and make a little bit of money and it just doesn't. Optimize your profits in any way whatsoever. Absolutely. Right. In fact, if you think about it, the early rate is only a manifestation of your cost structure. It's not a revenue model. At all I think the central problem with professional services is that by using the hourly rate, professional firms are simply charging for their costs, not their value because hourly rates constructed, there's a formula for it salary plus overhead plus an expected profit margin. And and so if you think about it, that's identical. Maybe you don't know this but that's identical to the way. Hardware companies tend to price were they just add up their cost of goods sold and had a profit margins here's or price on that now? Right cost plus. And that that is also very prevalent in professional services where you literally take the cost of staff at an overhead factor, a desire profit, and that becomes your price. It's called cost plus pricing, but it's just as bad or worse than than the hourly rate because then that opens up. With professional buyers, procurement, all sorts of obnoxious conversations about well, justify your costs. It looks to us like you're spending too much on overhead and too much on health insurance, and by the way what your profit margin you're making too much money because all those things are disclosed in the cost plus model, which are all the wrong conversations to be having aren't they? That's The good news about hardware companies is they don't have to disclose their costs. That's just how they figure out their prices. If, you're going to disclose cost now now the conversation goes crazy. And unfortunately professional firms agencies in particular. Have ceded way too much power to professional buyers by this causing more and more cost information. It changes the dialogue, and so you're you're having completely the wrong conversation. You're. You're not talking about value created as you write about you're talking about costs incurred. Yeah Nice Nice. I'm GonNa ask you really really hard question and I know this is hard because I've struggled with the answer for very long time. But YOU'RE LINKED IN HEADLINE SAYS BUSINESS MODEL and pricing strategist for professional services firms. What do you think the differences between a business model and a pricing model? Well. Closely related and and it really explains my focus in consulting because I think there are two sides of the same coin business strategy in its pure form is a positioning strategy deciding. What markets you're going to target and what service offerings you're going to offer you can't do everything for everybody right? So that's the decision about business strategy. Pricing Strategy and that's dimension of Your Business. Model. Pricing Strategy also dimension of Your Business Model. That's the missing piece. That is your revenue. Model. I. Have This. Pyramid Triangle model that I liked the explains business model and it has three elements. I is create value. Second is delivered value and third his capture value. So the create value piece is where you make the positioning decision, which markets we're gonNA serve and what products and services are. We're going to the deliverer piece is about your production system. And the revenue, I mean, the capture value pieces about having a revenue model and I submit most professional firms don't have a revenue mall they only have a cost structure and the cost structure masquerades as a revenue mall. Yes, they're essentially doing cost plus pricing or hourly pricing, and and that's with the they think of is how they're gonNA capture value right because they they like that will at least cover their costs which it often doesn't. and. They're not thinking at all about the money they're leaving on the table. The most professionals have never read a book on pricing I asked this question of audiences of global. Multinational organizations full of CEO's CFO's hammer here ever read a book on Pricing Nada single hand ever goes up. So they haven't studied the subject which makes it a really unfair fight when they're in the room with professional buyers. Exactly so I laughed when you said create delivering capture value. Is I. often talk about tracing as creates, communicate, and capture value Sherve, and I can see clearly how they're different. The way that you think of in the way I think because you were thinking of the business model. That deliver piece is really. How is it that we are delivering value to the marketplace right? And as pricing person, I'm not so worried about that. I'm worried about choosing what things we do. I'm worried about how we talk about the market and how we then go captured with revenue models, pricing models, or you want to think about that. Yeah. Excellent point about communicate value and I know there's a five C. model to isn't there going to be twenty-something. So so communicate absolutely is an important missing element I've seen what you've written about communicating value and talk value not price. Definitely something that's not taught inside the inclined organizations that I work with in fact, they prepare for discussions with with their buyers with their clients almost exclusively to defend their costs. Here's how many people here their hourly rates here's the estimated. Time, and so they they've got this all on spreadsheets and they're well prepared to defend that they're not prepared at all to present communique and defend the value that they're about to create for their clients. And I think part of that problem is they don't even understand what value means. They don't get this concept of value. How do your buyers make that decision? It's true and it's particularly ironic given the kinds of organizations I work with agencies. Are, in the value creation business I, mean, that's what they do for their clients. What's the value of thing different for apple? Right. What's the value of that certainly not tied to the hourly rate? Is it? So they're in the habit like a lot of companies and professional firms of. Straight to the scope of work without considering what I call the scope about you. Having a clear definition of what success looks like, and so we teach concepts like the success workshop. Devoting a lot more time and energy to defining what success looks like in having a clear understanding that as a foundation for understanding the value you're about to create because unless you do that. Then it's pretty difficult to price based on value. Isn't it? It is and sometimes my businesses especially to so it's probably true in your business as well. Sometimes, it's hard for me to price based on value because the value I can give to a company is worth millions if not billions of dollars Yup, and so it's tough for me to say look I'm going to take ten percent of a billion dollars. But but that's pretty pretty persuasive. Isn't it to say we expect the value of this to be ten million dollars and our fee is only one, hundred, thousand or ten thousand. I I don't have a problem with that I. Think it puts things into perspective. Oh absolutely. Right absolutely. Right I. Just I usually recommend people charge ten percent of the value they're delivering to their clients that's absent competition. Though if you've got a really really big number that's. That's A. I or a method that I sometimes use and I've got a major client relationship right now where I've said to the client to my client, here's the base price of our work together. When we get through this project, I'd like you to evaluate the value created and pay me a little more. If you feel like there's been more value created than I've charged you in a fee I've done that several times and I think you know I think you don't do it with every client. It's only right in certain instances but I think letting the letting your client leading the buyer decide what the value is. Can also sometimes be effective. Let's talk about your career. You have one boss, but you have to work with many different departments. You have great ideas, but you can't seem to get them adopted face it you want to earn a promotion. The solution could be insider program, a champions, evalu- dot Com. For only one hundred dollars a month, you'll have access to all of our online courses. You'll have access to me through office hours and you'll become part of a network of peers helping each other out as well. Sure you learn more about pricing boy you'll really learn is pricing leadership. What does it take? How do you do it? You won't get promoted just doing your job, join us to learn how to become influential. Isn't it worth one hundred dollars a month to work towards promotion? Heck. If your company has training budget, you can probably access that. Once. You've internalized these concepts around value. You will become unique respected and promote -able come join us at insider dot champions of value dot. COM Okay, you don't have to answer this but have you ever gotten a check after the project that was above and beyond what you what the base price was I have. Several Times evens in speaking engagements. These are all a series of experiments because I I teach this idea that we're really in the pricing test kitchen, and we should also always be in a test and learn kind of mode so They ask what your fee to come and speak I say, tell you what we will send around and evaluation form at the end of the presentation and the audience will rate rate the presentation on a scale of one to ten on these three factors, and that will determine the price so. That's often quite a bit more than I would have quoted is a fee I mean that puts the pressure on the to do a good job of course force. Of course. Nice. So one thing that that I'm hearing a lot in professional services firms is this concept of subscriptions. I love subscriptions in the SAS world and so many different places. Are, you teaching pushing helping your clients move towards subscriptions at this point in time I am and I certainly know there's a school of thought that that believes that the entire business world is moving toward a subscription based model I think it's a little more challenging in the service world in the product world. But even professional services. There's a fair amount of intellectual property that resides in professional firms that can be packaged up named. Turned into options and offered via subscription, these tend to be the kinds of services that. That involves say ongoing research or analytics or a series of activities that are pretty predictable that most clients needs, and so things. I'll give you some examples like NPR firms. The lot of the work they do is in crisis communications. When companies have have a problem, they hire PR firms to help them out of the mess they offer crisis communications, training, and media relations training. This is the kind of thing that's now being packaged up an offer by subscription. So Subscribe Door Crisis Communications Program, and you'll will train you and you'll be prepared for when a crisis arises. So it is happening in professional services and in in the high end consultancies Mackenzie has a lot of. Intellectual capital that's now packaged up offered by subscription. Yes. So let me push back on this just a little bit because I want to understand it. Well, let's crisis communications training for a second. There's a firm out there. That's one hundred personnel agency I, assume that's a reasonable number fair and someone goes in and says have got this crisis communication training and they said great I'd love to buy it. They come in they train half the people fifty people. Where's the subscription right I think of a subscription is we have to Frequently deliver benefits frequently deliver value that it's worthwhile for a customer to pay US on a regular basis. Well, it really is based on the fact that most companies have. Quite. A bit of turnover. I mean you've got twenty percent of your staff turning over sometimes thirty percent. In Marketing and communications departments in in large companies. So you're you're never done with the training it's an ongoing you always need to train and you always need to be prepared and have your. Assets Ready and your ducks in a row for when a crisis does happen. So I think a better example would be analytics products where agencies are tracking marketing metrics on behalf of a client, and they're delivering monthly reports, and that's a perfect candidate for a subscription because at that happens on an ongoing basis. I agree completely with that one the reason I push back parley is that's the world I meant as I train people all the tar sharp and and I try really hard to figure out how to make it look like a subscription, how to deliver value on a regular basis and and I do that in a lot of ways but it's still challenging. Challenging I do I think professional services there is a natural pushback first of all professional services because we like to think everything we do is custom and unique and not off the shelf and not cookie cutter. So we don't want to offer anything by subscription, but that's That's really old school thinking. There's a lot of there's a lot of activities and solutions we offer that actually could qualify for a subscription social media programs or an example so. In agencies, they are helping to monitor and develop social media content on on a basis sometimes thousands of pieces of content. So you can have a program, a program beep or Ramsey program as one hundred pieces. Content programme be is five hundred program sees thousand I mean those kinds of things that are ongoing. And fairly predictable can actually work quite well and I think part of the value. Is that it changes the frame of reference. It changes the conversation with your clients in your diversifying their revenue stream. So. I. Don't know a single professional firm that derives. Revenue from subscriptions I know people like my friend Ron Baker believed that that's where the world is headed. I'm not I'm not there. Yet I'm not sure it would be possible to derive all your revenues from subscription bits and pieces. Sure I do preach that idea. Yeah. I think I agree with you and then that there are things about it to make a lot of sense in a lot of areas but they're also places where it doesn't make sense. That's right. If I, want a I want a new logo for my company. Right you can't subscribe to that. No. That's a define project with a stop and start. You can't subscribe to a new logo. Yep, and then the other thing I think about often is the uncertainty of it. Struck me when I. When this was actually the difference between hourly and non hourly but the same thing applies in the uncertainty in that I went to buy a bad or actually I was getting an oil change. I saw a sign on the on the desk that said, it will replace your battery for one hundred, sixty, nine dollars number like that and I thought that was just a flat fee to get a job done. Yeah. But but what if I walked in and my engine was making this tintin tainting noise or they're gonNA charge me you know here's a three hundred, fifty dollar flat fee to fixture Ting Ting Ting Noise Right maybe three hundred fifty dollars flat fee to diagnose right then always and I'm okay with that because you're offering some price certainty, you're not sure whether it's GonNa take you an hour or a full day to diagnose it but but you know you've been in business long enough that on average these kinds of by GNOSTIC. Incur a certain kind of internal cost, and so I think that kind of thing can work and I think one of the things that most professional firms. Miss when you say the words value based pricing. They immediately go to, Oh, you mean skin in the game you mean, we're Gonna tie or compensation to. Results and I have to I. Mean. I. Don't even use the term value based pricing in my writing and teaching anymore because it's it's too confusing. People jump to the wrong conclusion. All say progressive pricing or modern pricing or strategic pricing or some other description because. They missed the point that. The simplest form of value pricing is simply fixed price for fixed scope right divorce from the hourly rate divorced from your internal costs you coating price based on what you believe. You can do to solve that clients problem knowing in some cases, you'll make a great margin and in some cases you'll break or or worse but on average fixed price for fix cope is fine way to dip your toe in the water for. For Professional, firms. So, every time I say the words value based pricing, I, define it. What I define it as charge what your customer willing to pay yeah. Right, I, just think in my own practical experience is that so many people in my space react to it is in one of two extremes value as in Walmart. As. In. Cheap. Value Price or they jumped to, Oh, you mean we have to. We have to tie our our compensation to some kind of an outcome. And my answer is, yes, you can. You can do some outcome based pricing for the right clients and the right opportunities, and that ought to be a little slice in your what I call your pricing portfolio because we want diversification in the way they price there's no as you know and teachers no one right way to price. But I just find the language is I don't use the term anymore because of that. Nice Nice. All right I think we're running out of time. But What's one piece of pricing advice that you give our listeners you think could have a big impact on their business. We've touched on it, and that is to devote the time and energy to the scope of value question. So many firms because especially in these economically challenging times they feel like. Well, we've gotta just jump straight in on the work we've got to take the assignment they want these nineteen things what they estimate their their costs on this scope of work and they jump in and do it. You've got to step back and say look, we know this is origin you've got lots of priorities. We need to stop and have this discussion about what what the successful quite. and. Three quarters of the time because this has been researched. In the marketing space, the client will answer the question. What's your objective with by saying sales? Sales well, that's not very useful I. Mean What Company doesn't want to sell more I mean. We need to peel that onion and understand what predicts sales what are the things that if we do more of will lead to more sales and most clients are hard pressed to answer that question and they need. Their business partner to help them plumbed the depths of that question. Yes. Saying if you just want me to do something I can do something. But if you WANNA do something with results, let's go figure out what works what doesn't work? Yeah. That would be a good way to frame it, and so I think what I just reduce I want to make sure I. got it was. The piece of advice. Let's make sure we do the diagnosis and the prescription before we start doing the work. That would be another good way to say, right I mean, we're way too prone to jump into the treatment without the diagnosis for sure Nice Nice Tim. Thank you so much for your time today if anybody wants to contact you, how can they do that? Are. Web Address is ignition group dot com that would probably be the easiest way I published a blog bear and there's a contact form so it'd be pleased to hear from you. Excellent. Excellent episode eighty, nine all finished. Would you please leave us a review to my listeners? Not You tim although you can too if you want. Okay. And as always, I read your reviews online night out for said in-depth and entertaining. This is the best podcast on pricing I found interesting guests and knowledgeable host in an entertaining and pacey format. Thank you Mr night out. Please, join us at the Free Community at champions Evalu- dot Com you find that at community dot champions, evalu-. Dot Com. That's where we publish all of our means our blogs or videos or podcasts or at least links to all of that. So you won't miss any of the free content that I put out. If you have any questions or comments about the podcast store about pricing general, feel free to email me mark at impact pricing dot com. 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Bailing a ship with a cup of water.
"The. You turned into community cats podcast ready. Let's cal. Welcome to the community cats podcast. I'm your host. Stacey lebaron. I've been involved with helping homeless cats for over twenty years with the Merrimack river feline rescue society. The purpose of this podcast is to expose you to great people or helping cats daily, and hopefully may learn a little bit more about what you might do in your community today were speaking with Sarah Hess, Sarah has more than twenty five years working in the animal welfare Rina. She started with the league of animal welfare in Batavia, Ohio a limited admission shelter, and then was a founding member of the United coalition for animals, you can which opened an affordable spay neuter clinic in two thousand and seven Sarah was the executive director of you can to get the clinic open and running successfully after working with humane alliances new clinic mentoring program and with you can she then moved to Asheville to manage that program. Sarah, currently works part time as the grant manager for two Mods and various consulting projects incur. Cluding six months as the interim executive director of the Asheville humane society, she lives in Asheville with her husband and daughter and a menagerie of animals, I'm assuming they're few cats in there. Probably so I'd like to welcome Sarah today. Thank you. So very much for being on the show. Glad to be here. Stacey thank you. We're gonna dive into our questions and my first question I was wondering as a cat lover and twenty five years ago, and maybe even beyond that, how did you get started in this business? It was luck. I suppose I started volunteering at the league for animal welfare, which is just outside of Cincinnati. I had seen a newsletter in my veterinarian's office and thought, oh, you know, I'll go check it out. It was near my home. So I started as a volunteer. And then like like many folks ended up on the board of the board of directors, which was very volunteer intensive at the time and just stuck with it. And then all of a sudden all of my free time, I spent at the shelter in that all of a sudden the light bulb kind of went on. And I thought gosh, they're actually. That can can eke out a living in this humane field and never looked back after that. Can you tell us a little bit about some of the highlights that you've had so far over the last twenty five years? That's a really interesting question. I e e start in sheltering, and and I think it's very easy to get into a rescue mindset of God rescue this one. And then there's another one that comes along. And and depending on where you live in the circumstances. It's a never ending call for rescue one of the biggest aha moments. I had kind of early in my career was this idea that you're you're bailing ship with a Cup of water. If if all community is doing is focusing on rescue because it's not doing anything to slow down the cats and the kittens and the puppies, the dogs coming into the shelter system. So when a few of us put together the United coalition for animals and started looking at this idea of affordable spay neuter for the greater Cincinnati area. You know, it was like this just makes. A ton of sense. And it wasn't that rescue, isn't worthwhile. But gotta have somebody providing those services. So that the folks that are doing rescue in the shelters can manage better deal with the animals that are coming in the door. You got a slowdown. The you got slow down the intake in order to to save them all say, you sort of looked at the situation from an analytical level, and the moment was realizing that really the spe neuter aggressive. Spain was the step to take for action to help reduce the overpopulation problem that you had at the shelter. Exactly. I mean, I was I would have been rescuing animals until you know, I had one foot in the grave, and as was everyone else that was doing rescue unless we were able to dig into the to the overpopulation in our community and take some preventative measures. And it just made a lot of sense kind of an analytical a business sense that you just you. There's no way to possibly rescue every animal that was coming into the shelter sheltering systems in Cincinnati at the time because there were two. Any and so by taking a step back out of rescue in jumping into high volume or affordable spay neuter just made a ton of sense. And and made a lot of sensors Cincinnati makes a ton of sense for many communities around the country, especially for cats, but jump in get that system up and running which allows the rescue process to run more efficiently. Because there just aren't quite as many coming in. Can you tell me a little bit about your time with a humane alliance, and what exactly humane alliance was and maybe is now humane alliance opened a high volume affordable spay neuter clinic and Asheville North Carolina back in the nineties. And so they were an early early player in the high volume spay neuter field and the conditions Nashville. I didn't leave here at the time. But the conditions here, you know, super high intake into the shelter super high euthanasia rates, and the founder had the same kind of light bulb moment that said something's got to change this paradigm. Here this dynamic so humanely. Science was born at opened it started doing high volume spin neuters and learned a lot in the process. And then the interesting twist was back in the two thousands early two thousands. This idea of affordable spinner was gaining a little traction in the humane field. And what happened kind of organically was other organizations were calling humane alliance to say, hey, you know, I kinda want open high-volume clinic what medical protocol or how do you do this? Or how do you manage the phone calls, and how many appointments do you book day just all of the bazillion of operation type questions that come up when you're starting a new business and humane alliance said, you know, we've been doing this for a while. So why don't we put together a kind of a recipe book or playbook to teach other organizations had open a high volume spay neuter clinic, and the the intention was it would be just a mentoring program here. Let us help you short near learning curve humane alliances intention at the time was we want as many clinics to get open, you know, to get open and be success. More quickly because that helps our collective movement that helps the animals and and the clinic that that I helped open in Cincinnati was heart of this ever-growing mentoring program that humane alliance put together it's it's a little bit like alphabet soup, but it's called NS NRT national spay neuter response team mentoring program the clinic in Cincinnati was the twenty-first organization to come through the mentoring program. So that's how I was familiar with humane alliance. And we got open in Cincinnati and got things up and running and I had an opportunity to move to the beautiful mountains of Asheville, and I took it, and then was actually working in running that mentoring program for a couple years with humane alliance last I heard they're they're up into having helped one hundred and fifty plus clinics. Get open all around the country. So really neat program to help organizations. Get a high volume clinic open sets maze. To think of the number of cats cats and dogs but cats in in our world, you know, that have been assisted by the humane alliance model. Yeah. There are lots of other groups doing high volume spay neuter. So now, it isn't it isn't the novelty that it was anymore because there are so many spay neuter resources available to to most parts of the country. There's still a few black holes in different areas of the country where more affordable spay neuter is needed. But you know, I think the success of the no kill movement and the changes in the no kill movement. It's hand in hand with the rise of high volume spay neuter clinics in the availability of Spain. Or because you can't you can't save them. All unless you are smart about preventative medicine, which is what Spain neuter is. That's interesting that you, you know, you discuss the no kill movement for those of us that might not be familiar with it. How do you define? No kill as being gosh. Tough question that that's a little that's a whole. Whole episode probably ended of itself when I started back in the nineties in early two thousands in a limited admission shelter. I didn't have any basis for comparison. It limited mission is another way of saying. No kill and we felt very strongly at that organization about being no kill. But what I didn't what I hadn't seen yet in my humane career. If you call it that was was how it fit into the bigger picture. It's it's one thing to say. We'll great. We're no kill, and, but you have to look at a community as a whole I think back in the early days of no kills it was very much us versus them. So the open admission shelters got all the flack, and the vitriol, and the, you know, they got all the crap and in the no kill shelters toot along on the high road. But it really wasn't addressing the problem as a community because no one organization is going to really it. Just generally takes a village to to get to know kill so. That was kind of the situation back when I first started at least for the greater Cincinnati area. And what the really cool thing that is evolved, high affordable spay neuter is around a lot of other groups have a lot of other tools in their tool kit now to get to know kill. So that it it's a more inclusive thing you can limit the intake coming in. We've got great feral freedom in great programs for TR for community cats million catch challenges, and so, you know, the idea of getting to know kill is a more inclusive movement now than it was back in the day and much more achievable because of all the additional resources that communities have there's so many successful communities that are no kill. There's there's a lot of different examples to see how different communities have done. It my definition now. No, kill don't even like the term. No kill. But that's more of a personal preference might time at Asheville humane society, which is an open admission shelter. I got to see firsthand. And you know, I think it's about. Out doing the absolute best for every animal that comes into care for a shelter in. If that means an eighty five percent live release rate of that means a ninety percent live release rate of that means a ninety five percent live release rate. I think when a shelter and a community can evolve to the point where you've got the resources and the luxury of time to evaluate each animal on its merits and do the best that you can with that animal within a community within, you know, a partnership structured, then, you know, to me, that's that's no kill if you wanna call it that that's then we've done the right thing for the animals. And now, let's take a moment to listen to a few words from our sponsors. The community cats podcast is generously. Sponsored by the Merrimack river feline rescue society, one of the nation's pioneers in successful t in our programs in nineteen ninety two in response to a persistent Farrell and homeless camp population along the Merrimack river in newburyport M R F R S began a concerted effort to trap sterilize return. A colony of over three hundred cats setting up and maintaining feral feeding stations that colony was successfully reduced to zero cats by two thousand and eight today am our f-. Our asses activities include to mobile, low cost spay neuter vans known as the cat mobile in adoption program with a focus on special needs and hard to place cats veterinary assistance programs for low income individuals as well as unknown cats and mentoring for local animal welfare organization seeking to improve their TR effectiveness. For more information. Visit WWW dot M R F R S. Dot org. You tell me a little bit about your work with two Mods. So I'm very lucky I have done sheltering, and I've done high volume spay neuter, and now I'm very fortunate that I am on the granting side. So to Mods is a private foundation. It was found by gentleman named Dallas Pratt, and we grant spay neuter grants to smaller organizations would more grassroots mostly volunteer organizations in the Appalachian area. So over the years, we've we've kind of honed our focus into the Appalachians because a mentioned earlier, there are still some kind of black holes for spe neuter availability often, they exist in the general Appalachian region isn't underresourced area for animals. So that's where we focus our funding, and we do direct spay neuter subsidies to make it affordable to help some of these smaller groups fundraise and provide that service for their community. So you have you seen? In any sort of specific impact as a result of your sort of targeted funding. So that's really interesting. Also in that I'm a big fan of targeting and data, and you know, in a world of limited financial resources. All spe neuters are good. But not all Spain neuters are equal. And what I mean by that is you can alter MRs Smith's poodle. But if her poodle is not the animal, that's contributing to overpopulation at the local shelter, and you only got money left for one spe, you know. Are you going to do are you gonna do MRs Smith's poodle? Or are you gonna do a a different animal and have more impacted your shelter? So that was kind of my basis, I'm a big fan of smart spending that way as I got into this job and into some of these rural areas, and latch, some areas don't have any shelter at all. There is no sheltering function some have very minimal shelters and no computer to track the data to know what's coming in. Or how much is coming in? And so this idea of. Success looks different in a lot of these smaller more rural communities, and that in of itself was was really interesting for me in kind of. Oh, well, that makes sense. And I've we've got a couple of folks that we funded that are able to track data, and they see the very classic graph lines. They see as their spay neuter subsidies, you know, the number of surgeries, they subsidize going up. They see their intake going down in they see their euthanasia's going down. So that's kind of a classic model. I've got another community in Tennessee that measures her success because she doesn't see the stray dogs and cats along the the roads any longer the in this case the post off the mail person used to carry dog and cat food in the back of her truck when she was delivering mail and would stop to feed the strays and small rural community of this woman. The organization that is funded has ton fantastic job. Doing subsidy surgery. Spay neuter subsidies year. After you after year in the post, the postal delivery person doesn't see the strays on the side of the road anymore. So it's it's a different measure of success, but very successful. None the less. So that that's been really interesting for me. Yeah. That's interesting for my perspective too. Because there are they're definitely the islands that don't touch the traditional statistical measurement passage and we have to figure out. How can we still address and create a humane community in that environment? Even right. We don't have those traditional channels of reporting available to us. So I find that find that interesting. I've been working in a couple of communities that have some of that those components. It is interesting Brennan goes into that tribal knowledge kind of conversation. It really does. And I had to stop to think well that you know, in that community not seeing dogs and cats on the side of the road is successful. And I would love to Mods. Had slightly deeper pockets so that we could not only provide spay neuter subsidies, but go into a community like this and say can we buy you some software so that you can kind of track and the Spaniard or can be slightly more targeted. Some of my favorite groups are working with their local animal control. Again, animal control is is maybe one or two fence dog pens out behind the police station. That's what it looks like. And and they're able to go in and say, okay, not only are we going to provide spay neuter. But what can we do to help animal control? What you need. Do you need a dog house to you need some cages to take in some cats, you know, different things like that. And these grassroots organizations are going in from a partnership mindset to say, what can I do to make your job easier from an animal control point of view. And I personally live funding those kind of groups because it's it's just it's instead of criticizing that there's only two fence, pens and four cages they're going into help a collective health for the. Community. And I think that kind of stuff leads to greater good for partnerships with Munis municipalities in areas that don't prioritize animal needs. Now, if there were any folks that sounds like two Mods would be willing to accept donations or have some sort of a partnering it sounds like you'd have interest in expanding your reach. Absolutely. I I would love to be able to have a few more resources in in our resources both monetary and some other programs. So that we can go in with these partners. The folks that we fund these organizations and say not only can we do some spe Nuder subsidy money, but let's get a little creative. Look at some other ways to provide funding one of the cool things that I really like about two Mods is our geography is fairly compact geography, again, the Appalachians is generally an underserved area and one component of my job is I travel around the region, and I'm meeting with these. Graentiz directly. You know? We can have these conversations face to face. I can see what the conditions are. And really kinda brainstorm about different avenues for improving. The humane can conditions other than just a neuter, although I'm fully supportive of spe neuter. So it's just a matter of having more resources in the toolkit for two months to go in and support a more complete platform filling that whole tool that we re reference in making sure that all those pieces are available in the community and spay neuter is a very important tool in the toolkit, but you can only be successful. If are other components there. How do how can people find you? If they're interested in in finding out more about, you know, two Mods or your worker, just you know, advice or whatever I am happy to help and the best way to reach me would be through the two Mods website, which is to t- wwl Mods M, a U D S dot org. It's a little bit of an odd name, but two Mods dot org. And my contact information is there, and I welcome. If any of your listeners are smaller organizations in the Appalachian region reach out and do it soon because I'm doing my site visits and meeting with all these groups and and getting ready to put our our funding schedule together for the year, we do that in August or September, depending on just a few things. So in thinking about somebody who might somebody younger or somebody who's just retired from their professional job someone I was thinking about just starting out. Would you have any specific advice for them? I think I would suggest volunteering is always the best way to start in. There's always different ways to volunteer with your local groups that seems to make the most sense there's always going to be opportunities to to to get involved. It's you know, it's fostering, it's doing laundry, it's different sorts of things in. The other bit of advice is don't be discouraged, especially if you're coming from a corporate world jumping into volunteering may not be quite as organized or as corporate as you might expect. But it's just a matter getting in there and doing it, especially this time of year. Fostering is is a great way to start from a bigger perspective. I think it's really important to understand the entire landscape. So you could volunteer with group. A and group does not have good relationship with group B in their Samanta mossy. You're you're missing out on the ability to see however organization fits into a humane picture for the community. Sometimes it takes someone to have that thirty thousand foot perspective to be able to make make those relationships work and bridge the gap. Is there anything else that you'd like to share with our listeners today foster time to foster kittens season is upon us? I I know down in this area. The kittens seem to all be about four to five weeks old in there. Coming into the shelters in droves. And so if you've got a spare bathroom and a few weeks to to offer now's the time to do it. Because it it's true across the country. And it gives the kittens that are most vulnerable a chance to to get up to wait, get spayed neutered and get through the adoption process. That's the that's the thing to do. Sounds. Great, sarah. Thank you so much for sharing this time with me today. I appreciate it very very much and look forward to talking to you again. Thanks stacy. Thanks for doing it. Thank you for listening to the community cats podcast. 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A Bunch of Flakes (with Claire Saffitz)
"Welcome to unhappy our the show where we bitch about all the things. We love to hate every single week. I'm your host bella side here in my home studio recording far far away from my producer. Barry hi beeri. Hi matt while you didn't say my full time goal. Are you happy thing. You rhymes with periwinkle. Yes i am. How are you doing. Tell me what's of what's going on. You know eight a weird apple Does that mean i do i. Okay i went to the grocery store. I dropped a whole bunch of apples on the ground. My plastic bag ripped open onto the floor. And then my god. I picked them up normally. I would just like a vacuum. I would have put all of them back and let someone else deal with it. I love picturing you. Just like trying to vary coyly. Just pick up a bunch of apples that spilled all over the floor and there's put them away like absolutely no notice that my grocery store also has this weird thing where all of the apple's are like prominently. They each have their own. It's one of those displays where all the apples are in their own. Little kind of like paper wrapping each have their own little basket. Yeah so. I was like i took out like thirteen. Apple's everywhere and i wanted to put them back but i felt so guilty so i bought them now. I'm probably going to die because they eight one of them. I mean you know what they call that floor. it's covert lava covered in and kovic lava. I guess also. I'm trying to break psycho sexual relationship. I have with starbucks. So i think i did the month that i was in chicago. I only had like one coffee a day. Which is the normal amount of coffee that people should have and right. I'm back in new york and my own apartment. I've been making my whole pot of coffee in the morning four chicago. I would make my pot of coffee have bat and then go get a venti starbucks in the afternoon which is like enough enough coffee to keep like i mean you re enemy a dead elephant. Yes i'm pretty sure Thomas edison did that experiment on an elephant. Exciting things happening this week. Because i am here to a answer news go sexual relationship between me and you the list nurse who intro. Let's just say or if you've ever been sitting at home alone at night just naked and afraid just just sobbing over the fact that there's only one little episode of unhappy hour a week and you don't get enough of of this. My central orgasm inducing voice in your life. If that sounds like you then guess what batch you better get your blue booty ready. Because i'm coming in with even more even more hot triple x. Behind the scenes uncut raw dirty content on patriae on because now you can subscribe to me amiss voice on patriots on but for real if you have been wanting even more fun content obviously obviously you have been you can subscribe to me. I'm patriots now for a bunch of exclusive a bonus material that you can't get anywhere else nowhere else on earth like what. 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A new series exclusive patriots called now bitch and bacon after dark. What does that mean where. I bake my stuff in the night in the no. I'm going to do. I'm going to put my pastry skills to the test by baking some hot erotic cookies cakes. Dessert really sexual. I'm talking a cookies. Dick cakes your erotic desserts. You know stuff the stuff that makes you tingle. And not just your your taste buds but everywhere you know what i mean we will include the link to sign up for patriae on in the show notes or you can go on patriotic. Just search me. you'll find me Or i'll probably tweet it all of that stuff you'll find me. If you wanna find me. I love it and you know what we still have a whole episode to get through your coming up today. We're gonna kick things off as always with worse. Things first shot about the stupidest most ridiculous worse news of the week after that. We're diving deep into this dry winter. Because i am putting my humidifier to work and you need to hear about this ashi ashi skim through this whatever the opposite of what ass pussy is is what i'm experiencing all over my body dry as pena's back is what that's my song cardi and finally. I'm so excited about this week guests. I mean listeners of unhappy. Our we'll know that this has been a longtime coming. Oh yeah we got claire. Fricken on the pod. Claire is the genius behind and in front of gourmet me the author of the new york times bestselling cookbook dessert person. Which i've already baked a shitload of stuff from and she's got a whole new youtube channel called dessert person with clare. It's we talked up before the holidays. So get your timing straight And i'm excited that you'll finally get to hear this interview because been sitting on been jess stating it like a beautiful egg and now it's hatching so let's get into a let's do it. Let's start the show all right horse things first. Let's talk about the worst news the week love. I'm in love with this story. A neighborhood in queens has reported being terrorized by unaggressive squirrel who repeatedly attacked residents unprovoked. Leaving them belotti and afraid to leave their houses. Oh my the picture that company is. This story is terrifying. Know it shows like a snow covered sidewalk just doused and blood. There is blood everywhere and it's the humans out the squirrels blood. Oh my god. Multiple neighbors in this queens neighborhood have reported being attacked by the squirrel who is extra aggressive. One woman said you hear someone has been bitten by a squirrel. And you're like okay. You got a little nib- what's the deal. But this this was an mma cage match. And i yes. I asked squirrel. Everyone famously. I hate squirrels but squirrel is queen just out here. Winning cage matches against the people of queens. It's definitely the most new york squirrel i've ever heard like it's not just sneaking into people's apartments it's like get out of here. Fuck you just in his part of the sidewalk. Yeah yeah a security camera. Image showed the squirrel latching on to this woman's hand. She said we're wrestling in the snow. And there was blood everywhere. My fingers getting chewed won't let go eventually. Just stopped and there there. I was a big bloody mess horrifying. So here's the thing not to victim blame. We need that to be a button at this point. Yes seriously victim. Lame but were they asking for it okay. This is what i constantly want. Wanna be asking. Because i might have said this before my brother and i we had hamsters growing up mine famously. Died from from a tumor famously exploded but my brothers would constantly bite him and we could never figure out why until one and he got like so upset that it was biting him and then finally we. We discovered that it was because my mom bought like a tub of powdered sugar. Donuts from sam's club and for like three months straight. My brother just constantly had powdered sugar on his fingers. So what i'm saying is not a rodent detective here but like maybe this squirrel is just getting a whiff of something that all of these i mean. Have you been to queens going. I'm not there's like pizza. Particles everywhere in queens. You have no idea. You have no you and i will say i will tread very lightly because i know everybody in queens will bust my kneecaps in with a lead pipe or just set the squirrel on you. The squirrel is just kind of learning from what he's seeing see. That's what i'm afraid of. Is that not only is he learning what he's saying but he's then going to teach the other squirrels and he's going to create an army and they will win. We better watch out. Yeah the The victims of the squirrel have said that they called the city for help. Multiple the department of health said that it advised them to hire a state licensed trapper which they have by all. The traps remain empty. So the squirrel is. He's a wily one and he's avoiding capture. I just think it's it's really impossible to overstate the damage. That sandy cheeks did to our communities at just in terms of convincing people of of the the squirrels innocence letting their guard down. This blood is on your hands. Sandy next a man using an after hours. Atm at a bank in california so the bank was closed and he looked inside and saw what he initially thought was a stuffed animal on. Top of someone's desk turns out. They were to live raccoons who broken in to the bank. Lobby damn yes. Raccoons they got a pair up with the squirrel in queens nego full heist. Yeah that's like one half of ocean's eleven gut you got your tax squirrel. And you've got your mastermind robbing raccoons. You hear this disney here. This netflix week. Got ocean's eleven meets airbud meets home alone. It's going to be the new franchise sensation mandalorian never heard of it. Let's go yeah the local humane society. It was called to remove the these robbers and they spent more than ten minutes chasing the raccoons around. The building. bay found some muddy pawprints on the tree outside the bank and assume that they climbed up. The tree crawled through the air ducts to get inside the bank. The humane society said there were several broken ceiling tiles and the masked bandits knocked papers around and even a computer over. It's a little sad to me that raccoons lived into their own stereotype as as bandits. They are you know like They are depicted that way in cartoons. They've got the little masks on their face and then they were just like you know what. Let's fuck and use these. Yeah i mean this is an example of of of when society tells you you are destined to become this thing and reinforces the stereotype every every time you turn on television. You don't see yourself reflected in role models. This is what happens thankfully according to the humane society think believe the raccoons were not injured during their morning escapade to our knowledge records. They didn't abscond with any money That's what that's what. I want you to think they were just casing the joint. I may not have taken the money. They took a lot of the data. Real money is guess. What money isn't paper anymore bank. Its numbers its zeroes in on a computer screen and finally here's a complete one. Eighty four. You a hacker. Recently took control of people's internet connected chastity cages and demanded ransom to be paid in bitcoin to i needed to take me step by step through figuring. I figured we would have to go step by sunday's okay here's the i'm not sure if you're aware but there is a segment of the dsm community that wears chastity cages over their penis cool. So basically that's what. The jonas brothers dad made them wear my right dad until they went through puberty and could not be contained. I just remember they used to wear chastity rings earrings. I i thought there was no reference. I thought you were just dunking on the show. Now they used to wear chastity rings. Yeah so here's the thing. These people people where these chassis hejaz there are basically like they fit like directly around once genitals. It's not like a belt. It's very specific little like more like a jockstrap ohio. Yeah like a pocket. yeah like a jockstrap. But he's okay. I can visualize it. And now they have these like smart ones that net energy. So you can like as part of this. I guess you can like give a password to someone from somewhere else and they can like lock it or unlock it. And it's part of like Domination or whatever cool visits me who is the most vanilla person ever tried to explain what the problem was one hacker. This was I'm just gonna read the sentence from this vice article where it came from quo. Your cock is mine now. The hacker told one of the victims. According to screenshot of a conversation obtained by security researcher. That goes by the name smelly and is the founder of a website that collects malware samples. So basically hackers broke into the system. Locked all these cages and said give me of your bitcoin. Or i'll i will never let your debt free. I wonder what the ven diagram of people who own bitcoin and people who own smart chastity cages are. I mean i guess it. S a full circle. Yeah pretty shreds full circle. The company that distributes that said that they had patched up whatever Vulnerability led to this but they quoted some guy being like yet. They tried to threaten me. Get seven hundred and fifty bucks for me. It's not that much. Yeah if i were holding. Someone's genitals for ransom. I've probably asked for like at least a house at least four figures at least and that's it for this week's worth things birth next. We are diving deep into the horse part of winter my dry ask skin dive deep deep deep deep dive tidy tied tied tied. Oh all right well. We are hoyle into winter now and despite the promises. I'm hearing about the so called global warming that i keep hearing about winter. Coldness is here and it comes with the dreaded winter dryness the moisture has been absolutely sucked from the air. Like it's the last tapioca balls. My bubble tea just sucked right out. Bubble tea. I really could go over some right now. What's invention. I love it but it says you know what i love is to just have the sensation of like bursting. Testicle my mouth. The point is we are we are left positively parched so let's get into an winter dryness you dehydrating demon fast. My skin at this point could literally a sand down a rough surface. And just prepare. Prepare you for a beautiful mural. Perhaps my skin is so dry. It's so dry here The points my skin is flaky and auto flaky like a delicious or flaky. Like a delicate pie crust. The bad kind of flaky. We're talking flaky. Wigan early two. Thousands portrayal of pamela anderson flaky. Get like oh she is so flaky remember. They had a tv show. I think it lasted for like less than one season called. Stacked no during pamela anderson in the entire joke was that she was the librarian but also she had huge boobs. Bat was the series lead in the early two thousands. That sounds like a general like a fake. Tv show and thirty rock. It does need an entire tv show where the jokers just. This woman has big boobs next. How is my nose so wet when my skin is so dry. That's what i would like an answer to science. My nose is always running in the wintertime or a really elites violently from one side to the other my nose in winter goes between being sopping wet like queen elizabeth staring at a picture of a horse just lipping and then seconds later bam. My news is the desert. In every bugger is an eager. Cactus just looking to make a name for itself because burgers are. Everyone just wants to stand out. Everyone is looking for his moment to shine. Oh look at me. i'm the starbucks. I'm the starbucks week. And then i'll stab and jab in kind of wiggle his way to the surface in polk himself out so then you have that one little sharp number who's always right at the crest right at the tip and then your nose is what again but this time by blood. yeah next. Everything is itchy all the time and not the like satisfying. Oh let me scratch this. Like mosquito bites where it feels like. You're getting somewhere when you're stretching suggested by growing and growing and swelling which. I love one of my favorite pastimes. I've been. I've been open about this before lunch. Scratching a mosquito by but this is the time when you're when you have dry skin itchiness that comes from dry skin. It's the type of scratching where it's like. I can feel my body away. Oh it's physically weathering away. It is great off pieces of me. And then it's like. Oh now there's just dry skin floating around in. What am i breathing in myself. And then you do this existential. Oh what am i. I'm a sneak eating eating my own tail really just falling into the depths of despair. Because i'm breathing in my own floating dead cells pieces of me by ashlee simpson. It's actually what that song is about is dry flaky. Skin also moisturised like every seven seconds and every time. It's like trying to scrape butter on burnt. Toast can hear the sound of all my little skin cells. Just slurping up the moisturizer like it's like it's me trying to impress a boy. Oh my first frat party freshman year of college just slurping away a few things that i have more humiliating in my life than the fact that i used to have to sleep with gloves on like i would moisturizing my hands and then i would put it on so that my hands wouldn't just bleed in the morning right. The only thing. More degrading is wearing socks. Yes off your hands. Yeah which. I have also had to do when i was at home. I was like My mom was asking me for for gift ideas for christmas. And i was like you know what i'm kind of interested in. Is those moisturizing gloves. They sell like specific material that you wear no glove but she was like why would just wear a sock. And i was like okay. No class turned into a little puppet. Yes sure and then you'll have a friend finally darn quarantine okay. You'll have to friends like sure. I guess i can just sit there with my fists up. kermit's asked if i really wanted like a festive covering no. I want a moisturizing glove to me. There is nothing more debasing than moisturizing. Because you have to but then there's no there's no way to moisturizer without then becoming a sliding slipping monster or it's like. Okay now i i'm. I'm trapped inside this room. Because i can't twist the doorknob to escape. It's a real. It's a real catch. Twenty two whoever miss neutrogena mis- mis- jergen get a life because i'm sick of you rubbing your seeming all over my hands and then it becomes too slippery. I need that fast. Absorbing action next also thinks a lot corona virus. Because now i wash my hands so much and inexplicably that makes the dryness even worse again. Make it make sense. Why is my body the way that it is. If i went something doesn't not get wetter. This has been science with mad. I am constantly thirsty. my mouth is constantly dry. And then what. I'm getting up in the middle of the night. To pee on drinking bunch. And then getting up in the middle of night to p stubbing nato and the coroner foundation pillar and before you know my entire building falling down so that's where we're at happy winter. Dryness you destroyed my life. Also my allergies are having the time of their fucking lives. Why did anybody who is referred to as seasonal allergies needs to check your goddamn privilege because for some of us is a year round battle. Glands are dealing with so much because then there's dryness and then there's dust and there's my flaky skin everybody else's flaky skin off the particles that are floating around and then i ingest them. Get into my eyes my ears my math and it's a it's despicable and finally. I am forced because of winter. Dryness to make friends with a humidifier who is a bitch. I do not trust. Because she's always in the corner just gluck gluck lying drinking her little drinks and then spitting out over little little missed and i don't trusted. She's a little magician a little. Ill magician bitch. Why do i also want to drink water. If i'm breathing the amid a virus putting out that she was humidifiers for me is that it's like laptops where it's something that you should absolutely clean but i absolutely refuse. Yeah i've thrown humidifiers away in between after one year of us. Because i'm like i don't know how to clean this. I don't trust what it is. Putting out is not just full of germs and leading to more allergies. The one that by the way the one that i just sat up in my bedroom is one that has been in my closet for about two years. Oh good was still in the box on boxed. This week plugged in. Fortunately i bought one. That has the technology where it kills. This is made up technology. By the way i still don't believe it's real. We're has uvc technology in the tang to kill off germs. But it's level. And i have seen a light grow on. It is not illuminated in any way must be doing something wrong probably or it was sitting in the closet for so long that it no longer works. Which is my story fundamentally. That's it for this week's deep dive. I'm sick winter. Dryness everybody fucking moist. Dry washington the moisture. I cried away. Drink of fucking water or getting humidifier. We will fight this battle together. My guest complainer. Today is clare safm. Let's see harvard. Grad former senior food editor at bone apetite snack and candy reverse engineering genius new york times bestselling author of dessert person. I i would wear that every every day you have to. There's no other way there's no other way to intro you without that. Welcome to unhappy our thank you so much for having me. I am so excited i just all i wanna do all the time so this is really. This is fantastic opportunity for me. I am known as a world class complainer. So thank you for having me. well john. I'm so excited to complain. I feel like just judging. Obviously i don't know you personally. But judging based on your content. I would say you seem like the person who is like just constantly has that kind of simmer. You know where it's like. You could flip any minute and this is prey. It's this is absolutely love right. It's my person we'll thank you. I think it's at a similar. But i feel like keeping it at a similar means. That never boils over. You know what i mean like. I just the constant drip of complaining helps me. I've actually been thinking about it. And i think that complaining is part of my process and that's what i always tell people i mean yeah and also not to try to be too cute about it but like i feel like with baking like part of like ninety. Five percent of the process is just massively fucking up being like okay. This was terrible. And now i'm going to try to do it again and make it better so you complaining as part of that whole deal. Yeah well i mean for me. Baking no longer ninety five percent fucking up. I mean it was at one point like hopefully like thank god. It's no longer that for me and like a at some point. Many many years ago. I crossed this kind of threshold where it went from feeling really hard and arduous and stressful and like anxiety producing to something more therapeutic. So fortunately i'm there. Like i always say to people. Making is my yoga. You know like. I don't meditate but i bake so that to me is like soothing and that's when i feel like least likely to complain i would say i'm most likely to gripe about stuff when it involves the new york city subway. I mean that's like ninety. Five percent of my complaints is like about the subway. Which sort of less of a thing. Now in kobe but Yeah like living in new york this just so much to complain about and we love it. You know as as i feel like. I'm a honor new yorker like we live for that. So what would i have. If i didn't have that. Why got ahead of myself. Because usually i start by asking what is one thing you hate that everybody else loves doesn't have to be subway related but it can't be. I thought of such a good one. I have that. I absolutely hate that. Other people love it is the combination of chocolate and fruit. I hate it it's awful. It's so bad there's no diversion. I'm trying to think of an example like a chocolate cake with like a black forest cake is like cherries and chocolate or chocolate. Covered strawberries or Like chocolate dipped orange candied orange peel. Which has the least good of all of the bad ones you know. It's i absolutely hate it yacht. Chocolate orange is one. I i just never. It never seems appealing to me. It somehow got like grandfathered in to be this thing that people love and i a lot of being a food editor and a recipe. Developer is questioning those things that people have always said are good and actually aren't or vice versa. Sailing this thing that people say is in good actually is really good and so i gain the confidence over time to sort of be like. I don't like these things that people love and follow all over and one of them is chocolate and fruit. And i just absolutely hate. It might thought while you were saying that as a i need to have to like train my palate so i know what i don't like because here's a thought that when i'm baking or cooking or something sometimes i'll finisher recipe and i'm like i can't tell if i just screwed this up or if i just don't like the finished product and obviously like recipe developing is about like nitpicking. Where you're like this. It's this amount versus this amount. Air like this spicer. whatever. I don't know i also like it's funny this time of year because i'm home in chicago. This is not my normal environment. We're recording this at the beginning of december. But i'm i'm staying with my family for the rest of the year. And i've i've told them straight out. They have the pallets of like toddlers all of them. And so when i'll make something. I'm like i already know you're not gonna like this because it has more than just it's more than just like butter on noodles and it's always it's hard right now. I'm like okay now. After regress myself because i making staffer people who are like i. Don't this separate rant. so. I know there's nothing wrong with butter doodles. I love letter. That's amazing villa. Great food and i just sort of a related point like what i. I am very opinionated about food. But i don't think it's the same thing as as snobbery like i try to run in the opposite direction of snobbery and my feeling is like people just like what they like. I hate chocolate and fruit but if someone loves it that's great. That's what makes all of our palettes different and unique So i think that's an important point that there's a difference between being opinionated and like being a snob and like turning your nose up that right well honestly clarify all. I'm a snob knob. I'll say i'm looking down my nose at them you can. You can be fine. You can be of the people but yeah anyway we. We've gotten away from from your complaining which was fruit and chocolate. I've never got behind black forest cake. I don't understand like cherry and chocolate in particular because it's not the that's when i think unless i'm missing something like it's i leave room for the possibility that i am missing. Something i won't. I won't just completely one hundred percent like slam the door but i agree and i think it's it is mostly a flavor thing like i do not like the kind of fruity acidity mine with chocolate. But i also it's a texture thing too. Because i don't like a wet cold strawberry in Coated chocolate. Because i think also like a temperature thing. I'm really going through all the different ways in which i don't like it but you defend every yes. All of them hate this combination. What about chocolate covered strawberries. No that's my tongue. I hate that. Because they're usually refrigerated and so then the strawberry is cold and it hurts your teeth when you bite in and then the worst way to eat chocolate is when it's cold because then it won't start melting as you eat it you know and so i'm like no and then then it's watery and cold and it's just i there's about that is the one that is the one that i think i would go for but they also do get weirdly because you do keep them in the fridge they really sweaty and then it's like you're just ask a weird wet chocolate. Yes and then like the chocolate separates from the fruit. The fruit has to be super super dry for the chocolate to adhere. And so then there's like the separation and yes that now you may be headed even more thinking about that. I think what i'm really ranting. About is how sensitive i am about chocolate and how chocolate is a really hard ingredient to work with And it's there's also many kinds of chocolate in so many different you know. There's different characters in different chocolates and i really don't like to combine it with many other things except for like nuts in carmel. And that's just all i want. Those like that is that is far. Many that is a harmonious combination. And anything else like. That's not good. So have you gotten any better at tempering chocolate. Not to not to touch on a sensitive subject. No that's okay. I feel like i have so. I'm brought it up And it actually became a really important lesson for me about fear in the kitchen and not letting and just like as a lesson in life about like things that feel hard if you avoid them than they like gain power over you and like feel. Even harder i love the visits about chocolate. Yes once i really understood about how to control the temperature which mostly came in the form of removing the saucepan from the heat like doing it. More gently eye was like. Oh i totally understand how this works and i and i feel neutral about temporary chocolate. I feel neither nor improvement as you explained it. A thousand times on gourmet makes but yet the right and it's basically like heating and cooling and then slight reheating process whereby the chocolate crystals fall back into formation. And then you get like a shiny chris chocolate like a bar versus like a soft through never fully hardened texture that you get when you just melt chocolate and let it cool. I tried it. I tried it for the first time. The other day failed. Spectacularly would have been amazing if i really nailed it on my first shot but no it did not work. How has like house this year ben. How's quarantine ben. I still say we're in quarantine even though who knows anymore. I mean i think we are. I mean i've been treating it like that How's it been for you. What are you doing. The stay sane alive i think the biggest blow for me personally was daylight savings and having get dark so early and it's more of a struggle now that it's colder and it gets dark and i am really struggling for any kind of motivation to do literally anything right right. Do you have like any any new found like quarantine that you didn't realize that you would make developing someone asked me the other day. What my hobbies are i was like. Oh god i don't have any like. I don't know i guess it's faking but that's not really a hobby because that is also my profession. So i can't really say that. No i have not picked up any new hobbies. It was my goal to teach myself how to knit back in march. And i just want on it But i did recently rescue a kitten so now my new hobby is like being the mother to this new kitten that i'm obsessed with so how ya yes. Yes i'm super that has been such a source of joy and like i've never had a baby animal of any kind and i inherited two cats when i moved in with my now husband and i love them but i've never had a kitten and so i just like obsessed with him that's perfect about. I feel like that counts as a hobby. You're like keeping really three three things alive more than i've done. I'm like i'm parenting. All i've done this year kill plants so i feel like we've done far more than i have also done that just to be clear i don't get i. Don't get it how you can keep an animal alive but not a plant like that. Is i mean i'm project i'm not the came out accusatory no but like an animal will scratch your at the bed and clouds when it wants to be fed. The plant withers away. And i'm like i don't know what it was. It was probably that. I never watered it like thank god for cats because my quarantine would have been even more bleak without you know cuddly. Cute animals right right. I mean i have. I've yet to become a real a real cap person but we're still in like kind of standoff relationship. I feel towards cats where it's like. I guess i'm neutral. I guess i don't like actively hate them but Wow there's just a mistrust. I know like the the subtext of what i just said was like. I hate cats. Even though i didn't actually say that but like it feels like they don't trust me. I don't trust them every time i'm them. So there's there's there's bad energy. Yeah i think that is true about them. Not trusting you at all me particular you in particular but once you gain the trust. It's like the best feeling ever. It's like an because like you have to earn it. I think that's why like it so much it's like they don't just give it to you for free bread. Also i have a cat. That's very dog like in. It's like attention seeking and affection seeking. And so i'm like this amazing you I've definitely been around cats letter. Like peace out. See you when you like. Open the can of food or whatever but like i have. I have learned to become a cat person now like rescue. All kids Well i'm happy for you. I'm happy that i won't get behind it. But i i'm happy that you have it. I want to talk about some of the other stuff that you sent to rant about but before that as of this recording you announced your your new youtube channel so yeah tell tell us about the book because it's related to the book right. Yes i not. Today had been working on content for my personal youtube channel. And yeah i mean i had this clip out like you pointed out. Dessert person In late october and so the book represents years of work Developing recipes and all of this creativity that i poured into this book and i felt like it was a shame to not have other kind of media and other content around the book. Really show how much. I love these recipes and how important they are to me So that's the idea behind the channel. At least in its sort i. It is like this is all going to be content from the book. And so i can really show people and try to be a guide for home bakers who want to get more comfortable in the kitchen. You know who who want to learn certain skills and techniques. Because there's as careful as i can be about writing a recipe and i take a lot of pride in and care doing that. It's totally different to see it being made and so it's just like it's important that there's videos to accompany these recipes that i worked so hard on really want people to make And i get to do that now. I will say. I mean not to like gush too much but i do. I love the book. But i lake lake with cooking. The attitude in general seems to be like cooking is experimental and free and like throw stuff in and with baking. It's like exact and you have to do this. Exact thing and i think what i appreciate about the book and even i think gourmet makes at this that it's like you. If you learn the certain components you can sort of like bill different stuff. So it's like about learning those components but free like the book that's what the book is in some. Yes totally and i think the book in a lot of ways. It was a response to this refrain that i heard constantly from people just in my job Which was like. oh. I don't bake. But i hope i don't bake you know there was that kind of dismissal of it as this other saying and what i hope that book really demonstrates is that baking is not that different from cooking they sort of exist on a spectrum so i always give the example of like what about a chicken pot potpie or something like that baking cooking while it's both all right. Let's move onto a game. We call bowl of shit talk. You sent us some topics. You want to rant about starting with christmas songs. I'm a little afraid to talk about this. Because i know there's going to be backlash so i will say this is very personal. Obviously like i'm not s- i was just gonna say like not saying chris. Music is categorically bad. But i actually think saying that. I guess but i have no. I have no connection to cacique i. I'm jewish. i've never celebrated christmas. And i just don't know why we all suspend our notions of like what decent music is once a year when it comes time for the holidays and you have to listen to this sort of like insipid like manufactured also. It wasn't most christmas music written by jews. By the way you know probably wouldn't be surprised so i. There's a couple of acceptable christmas songs. And of course it's anything by mariah carey and it's restricting laws coming down that i just don't wanna hear it right. Yeah i the clarification at the end was an important one. Because i the whole time i was like i carry right. Yes i mean. If i was going to really like apply pressure to that feeling. It's probably a lot to do. With the fact that i could never actually participate in christmas and i felt that there was a loss there you know and like there was a sort of deprivation so look. It's probably about that in all honesty. But i also think it's not enjoyable music and the probably are more examples of acceptable christmas music out there. But i'm not looking for them right right we don't have to. That's not what this is about. Dairy creamer hate it hate it. Is there something specific. That is just dairy creamer or is it just like cream. This is really sort of an entry into me ranting about like coffee in general and like another area in which i like very particular and again like this is not my particularity about it is not not quitting that with what is good in some way this is just like me and how i feel about coffee Get that out there. But i'm dislike just put real milk in coffee. You know and have that milk be milton. Have it be skim milk which is also another entry point until like me talking about dairy and how like wiser anything hall low fat dairy just have you know like regular but i particularly hate the creamer that comes in those little symbol sized plastic things that are you. I put like seven of them in a cup of coffee at at a diner. And then i have seven plastic empty containers feel so wasteful. And it's like do we feel this important about to keep creamer on the table that like. We can't just put like milk in a cop or something i don't know just. It really drives me crazy. That i like to hurt myself complaining about that one and i sound really not but i just thought there's me what is your coffee order. What is why are your feelings about coffee so strong. Do you have like a one one particular way you take it. And that's the way. I hate when it's assumed that you want sugar in coffee like i do not like coffee to be sweet at all. I wanted to be like milky delicious. But i do not want it to be sweet. I like to go straight on the middle words. Like i just want a good cup of like strong drip coffee with milk in it. And i wanted to be hot and like that's pretty much it to me. Coffee is just such a fundamental part of my day. That if it's not a good experience it just fucks everything up and i get joey cranky. I'm the same way. And i feel like i. I also because i like starbucks is my place. That's where i get a coffee like almost every day. I hate that. I have to repeat like a thousand times like sweden unsweetened and sometimes they still put the sugar syrup and like an iced coffee. And it's it doesn't even. He's like sugar very specific weird like syrup thing that square in there. But i hate it i i hate it so much and then you're in the worst mood because it's like now. I don't wanna like ever asked until like redo it. It's like but now this thing just sucks. I don't wanna drink and then you like wasteful. Then you're dislike bombed at least but yeah okay a couple more. When people leave one tablespoon or less of something in a container for the next person yes like words to live by. Kill it or fill it. It's very inconsiderate. I think this is also like a proxy for people's rudeness and being considerate and selfishness. It's like you have to think about the next person and this isn't really so much of an issue. Because like i live with my husband now and neither of us do this. This was like a thing growing up with two older siblings and in a family of five like you would inevitably pick up the container of like hershey syrup or whatever it was and you're like there's nothing in here you know like this i like. Oh you know And like it was always sing at summer. Camp was her fill. It like sisters about being considered for the next person and not sort of sneakily making it someone else's problem it's i don't write your problem. Someone else's problem right. Did you ever resort to hiding food from siblings. No i never do that at home. But i definitely did that when i was in the test kitchen at. Ba because things would disappear people would have worked in the test kitchen and we had shared fridges. But we also had designated fridge zones. Where it'd be like this is my return or whatever And i definitely had things. Because i knew that like someone was gonna find their way in and oh look at this. I always find that funny. You catching a glimpse of that in the background of a video. Just knowing that there was some story behind like any anyone's video which is i think true of any office especially like millennial like everything is out in the open and nobody has their own space. That actually happened constantly in the test kitchen with peanut butter. We have like a lot of peanut butter eaters. And i somehow became the designated like keeper of the peanut butter and i would often. There is a long stretch where it was like important component of breakfast somehow and i would very often walk in and go to make my breakfast and pick up a kept it in the fridge because it was like natural peanut butter that would separate it so to keep it and this is also like a hot topic of debate was should we drink the peanut butter or not and i was pro refrigerate but i would go and i would pull the jar out and it would be not just a little bit less than new. It'd be like scrape to empty a someone would have still put the lid back on and put it back in the fridge and it was like. What kind of monster does that you know like. Just i couldn't fathom yeah. That is the one thing that i'm part of me. Misses about working in an office is like i miss the like just petty like stuff like that would make me angry that like i think that it's motivating in a way. I need something to be mad against. I mean certainly to this opposite of right like you gotta make sure you have a pulse. You know i mean. I've always said i work best. When i have like a work nemesis i need like an actual enemy that i am kind of rebelling against so i i completely hear that and i think i think like roxane gay has an essay about like why everyone needs a nemesis which i sort of think is great so i i hear you. Well i mean we can i can. I'll be your nemesis. If you're looking for we we can arrange that. I don't know if i want that could we. Can you be friends and nemesis at the same time. Sure friend of mrs. Yeah okay all right. We can talk about that one more and i only want to talk about this because i feel it service really which is washing food processor. I hate it. I feel like number one is it should be how easy it is to watch. Something like the utility of a product is second nature to actually being able to clean it afterwards. Because if i don't want to use it at all. Because i know i'll have to clean it. It's not effective. oh right. he's my food. 'cause i hate cleaning it and so it is an active deterrent. Not only is it a pain. It is also feels dangerous. Because you're trying to wash that blade which is in there and also you can never get all the food out of it because of the shape of the role and so then it's like you know full of stuff and i just it and there's so many parts and i actually. I still love my food processor. Do a lot for you. But like i have to really be making something crazy to like. Get out my food processor. So it's actually made me it kind of brings up. The idea of like what form of by laziness is gonna win out. Is it like the laziness that i don't wanna make this thing by hand or is it believes laziness that i don't wanna watch this flu processor and usually the latter i. I'm the same way. I been making a lot of pie dough. Obviously it's like pie season. And i will cheat and use my food processor and i realized like oh. I'm saving time. It's like so fast. Whip this together but then you have to account for the time at the end of washing and having a dishwasher changes the dynamic entirely even though i think like eroded food processor. I don't even know if it's dishwasher safe. I don't like that that's part of the calculation. Yes i completely agree. I feel like a lot of the kind of specificity of the steps in the recipes in my book are about avoiding dish. Excess Sometimes super specific about like okay. So i do this in the saucepan and you transfer that to a bowl then use the same saucepan again and like a lot of that is sometimes. It feels weirdly specific but it also like emma. Just trust me. Because what i'm really doing is having you do less dishes like that. You only use the same saucepan maybe abuse it three times and you never have to washington between versus three separate saucepans. You know so. But i just i do. Think like an inordinate amount of time about dishes because if you're a professional recipe developer then you are also a professional dishwasher. I don't have someone coming to my house to do that. So it's it's always on my mind. No that is fundamentally the worst part of breaking is clean up like if that were not part of the equation. At all i would be. I don't know fucking dominique. Ansel i'd like i haven't been to the krona if i didn't have to worry about washing dishes. Totally i see for you thank you. I'm glad i'm glad that comes across. Well anyway. I'm so glad that we got to have you on. Where can people find you and your work so you can find me on instagram. I handles at saf it's And also now on youtube as of today which is very exciting the channels just my name. It's like clear sapphire dessert person Retriever Yes that'd be great. They're point check out the videos and thank you for having me. I'm like unlike. When can i come on again with a whole new list of thanks to complain about because i just find it so therapeutic and wonderful i love it so thank you for doing you. The favor of listening to me complain about yeah. You're welcome back literally. Whenever we should do more stuff i would love to. I'll start by list tonight. Oh right we're almost there. Were almost at the end of the show but burst our chasers chasers through the good stuff that helps the bat stuff. Go down easier starting with do better. White people where we highlight some anti-racism resources and other actions. We can take to make the world a little bit better this week. I want to highlight a book falling. Bury your lead from last week. So the book i'm highlighting. This week is called. The end of policing by alex batali. He's a sociology professor. He makes the case for the end of policing. And it's i feel like i wanted to read a- as a way of being more intelligent and knowledgeable about what we mean when we say fund the police because a lot of times you see you pick up on these these these hashtags catchphrases on the internet. And you may have some talking points but when you actually get in an argument with wine on the internet or you don't actually have the facts In the background and the knowledge to back it up. So i wanted to know what i was talking about when i when i say these things. I think it's an important one to read and in to educate yourself on what we actually mean when we talk about the end of police. Say what you're replacing police with. It's not just you know resorting to anarchy. But there are there are better ways when when you we. Would you have an emergency situation than just calling one number and getting a police officer there. Are there perhaps better ways. So the end of policing is the book recommending this week. Eleven it all right. Let's get into the tv. We're watching this week berry. What you've been watching. I know i am several years later on this but alex or watching the night of and The first episode. I almost thought. I could not continue because it was so suspenseful and may my anxiety go through the roof but also it's very good and we have continued and i'm really i won't say enjoying it. 'cause it's not joyful but i'm really into it so yeah that's what i'm watching this week. What about you. Well i regret to inform you that i have started watching survivor from the beginning which me and i did think you were going to say the office so i'm honestly proud of you. Okay well i will take that. I watched the first season of survivor. i used to love as as a window into how Gay of a child. I actually was my my middle school. English teacher i used to. We have five minutes in between classes to get to our next class. And i used to use like four of those minutes to run in talk about survivor with the like eighty year old english. Miss callahan. it's so beautiful. I used to be so obsessed with survivor. And i feel like it's having like i think this is twenty year anniversary or i feel like it's. It's been having a bit of a renaissance if it just came to hulu and that's why but yeah i've started from the beginning and i think i've seen most of it before but it's been a while so it's still exciting and yeah what is your non. Tv chaser mine on tv chaser. Is this journey that. I'm finally going on for making homemade ice cream when i was in college. I mean i've loved ice cream forever. I'm really unique in that way. It's like really special And like just a thing. That i'm into but when i was. Yeah yeah when i was in college I almost worked at this really great ice cream shop in bloomington cold heart cells and i knew the owner because i worked at another restaurant and i was like going to apprentice with him but then i decided to just keep working at the restaurant that i was working at and wanted to make scream. It's not that hard. I got an ice cream maker kitchen aid attachment for christmas. I'm reading hello. My name is ice cream and the salt and straw ice cream cookbook right now. Mentally preparing watching videos. I am so excited. So i'm going to do that this weekend. You'll taste the fruits of my labor and i. Yeah just the idea of it is bringing me a lot of joy. And i'm hoping that the act of it will also bring me joy jury still out on that but also want to just give shout out to therapy this week because i hadn't seen my therapist because apparently she was on vacation over the holidays on acceptable. Absolutely so i haven't seen her in a couple of weeks and then i saw her and i was like. Oh wow this was so necessary and really helped so you know. It's been my taser before but it's nice to just remind myself. Therapy really helps. So yeah what about. You agreed agreed. What is my chaser this week. I don't know. I feel like i if this week has gone on forever and also in the longest week of my life. Yeah today especially. I just felt so strange. I don't know why if it was just like. I have a bunch of shit i have to get done and i'm not getting it done. And so that becomes like a paralyzing cycle or if it's just like a weird day there's no way of knowing no way But i mean. I don't know this is boring to everybody. Probably but i have been trying to get better at. There is no other sex your way of saying this besides meal. Prep cause that. I'm like okay. Jack off my face why i don't care i. My previous chaser was the paprika which a huge hit with our listeners and my huge hit i mean maybe five people reached out to me about it meal. Prep is my shit. So i welcome at. This is a safe space. This is a brave space. Please continue. it's mostly remember at the beginning of corinthian. When one of my chasers was deli containers that i that i purchase from amazon. I've been putting them to good use 'cause like this week. I made this like crock pot lentil soup and then all like portion it out. So i have seven days worth of of soups. That i that i go through and there's something so satisfying about taking something and like heating it in the microwave but that is not like a microwave. Like it's something that you it's even though it's so it's like a microwave dinner but like elevated greatly eight if you will gore matt oh my god gourmet trademark brand news for you train. My i also to say on the topic of this week's episode with our guest. Claire is a dessert person. I really do love her cookbook. And her youtube series I haven't watched all of it yet. I've been saving it to to go through. But i'm very excited to watch that and that will undoubtedly bring me joy so i'm watching. Her gourmet makes about ben and jerry's to help inform my ice cream making ability. So i'm right there with the love ya. I didn't mention that. I do think ice cream is exceedingly easy to me. I know it is okay. I know france. Whatever i'm aware okay. You put cream and then heated up and then put it into a machine bam done. I i could write a recipe down right now off the top of my head. This is supposed to be chaser. And now i my goodness for therapy. I guess. Thank you for listening to unhappy. Our you can have to apple. Podcasts spotify stitcher arabia podcasts. Hit bet subscribe and then rate us rubio s. But only if it's nice. I don't wanna hear your shit unhappy. Put up a pineapple studios. It's pretty by perry melissa slaughter an me mandela side special. 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Pawd Cast: Preparing for Emergencies with your Pets
"It's Chaos C._O._p.. Radio David Coursey on the line from suburban Washington D._C.. Is Diane Robinson who runs a disaster program at the Humane Society of the United States they of course a great friend of this program and I appreciate Diane you're coming on because disasters have just been so much in the news and it seems like we're having more of them and they're worse. It does doesn't it. <hes> this year has has seen we've seen a lot of rainfall and a lot of flooding and <hes> the the golf is extremely warm right now so <hes> tropical storm Berry was able to pop up very quickly so yeah. We are seeing a lot a lot this year. We're giving away your disaster checklists by the way for anybody who wants one K. S._E._O.. PET RADIO DOT COM and on our S._E._O.. Pet Radio facebook page. It's a two page checklist lots of good information but I look at this and I realized I not prepared. I mean we have here a collection of dogs and we have some cats and we have a lot of reptiles and my wife and I and depending on what happened well. I think we have enough carriers. Only because we do transport we have traps in carriers and stuff that we could put animals in but it still would be a problem getting them settled someplace as well and as quickly as we'd like because just having to deal with that many carriers right yeah you know the the larger your our family certainly the the more. It's going to take to get them ready to go. <hes> into quickly evacuated especially you know California forest fires <hes> they moved so quickly they pop up so quickly. You have to have everything just in one set location ready to grab and go and so and knowing where you're going to go is also going to be really key. I have no idea exactly where we would go. I would probably end up meeting new someplace place to shelter yeah you know the the disaster shoulders are a very common thing now the human shelters it used to be that the focus was just on those humans and we've seen great changes ages now where they're they're incorporating the entire family and providing shelter for both should to find a pet friendly shelter if they have to evacuate. I think you need to be prepared for a lot of options. Obviously if you can evacuate to somebody else's you can go to families or friends. Are you can go to a hotel there. There are other options that that you may prefer <hes> but there in your emergency management wants a disaster is happening. The Red Cross and other organizations like ourselves with animals in disaster <hes> those those shelters are activated and and there's assistance provided folks folks who don't have other options but there have been big changes in terms of making sheltering available to people end their animals either separately or together absolutely and what we refer to as a a Co located shelter where the people are in the human shelter and then you have an animal shelter. That's right there either in another part of the building or in a separate building that's right near the people that's ideal. If you have to go go to a sheltering situation because then people can can stay in contact with their animals they can continue to take care of them and be involved in with them. <hes> depending on what the the regulations and requirements are for the shelters for people visiting A. and working with their animals <hes> but it it's it's definitely been an increase of wanting to keep the families together as much as possible that happened at the Butte county fires last fall. It sued like they had animals together. Thanks largely to local disaster animal group and then the national organizations coming in to help out but it seemed like they were pretty well set up for animals yeah <hes> you know we're seeing a lot more where the communities are much better prepared to take care of the animal <hes> in disaster and that's our goal. We want the the communities to be able to take care of as much as they can and. And so us at the national level coming into support that as as we're needed <hes> but you're they're the first ones they're they're the closest ones there and the most able to to get those immediate needs taken care of sheltered at one time. I'm I'M GONNA say over one thousand animals that they were going to keep until people could come and pick them up and the folks who come in and they could play in see their animals some of them would. I don't know if they all slept in the same shelter. I think it were some some locations that did that but it seemed to turn out pretty well for the animals but you can't count on that at any given disaster and I think the people up in you county which is exceptionally exceptionally fortunate that they had such great resources available to them. Yes absolutely and that's what we see. Is You know we're used to having our our community. Take care of us. You know fire is right there and ambulances right there in our police department there all right at our fingertips and when disaster happens that that's not always the reality that those resources are going to be able to be provided what we encourages you have Xavier to go catch ready to go. You have enough carriers. You have everything that you need for your family and your you know your animal part of your family and that you have a plan for yourself someplace. You can go on something you can do to take care of yourselves hopes if that if those other resources aren't available or until those resources become become available it takes time to get these things set up and running the disaster threats that hardly anyone is ready for because they haven't seen it yet in the just now hearing about it is going to be when the local utility turns off the power for several days well away from the emergency right yeah we are very connected acted society and used to all of those amenities being available at our fingertips wherever we go <hes> and disaster is is very different those <hes> those utilities could be down for very long periods of time and you know so part of the plan is knowing. Where are you going to meet up with your family and your friends and how are you going to get messaging to people <hes> to let them know that you are okay and that you're safe in you know what your needs are from your support system and intentionally down in order to allegedly prevent well they hope to prevent additional wildland fires off the electrical grid but if your entire town town and that's what they're thinking about turning off entire towns but how do you protect your stuff out? Suddenly that's the apocalypse for eighty thousand people right and you know focus. He's on protecting the stuff that matters the most. You're you're protecting your own life and your family and your animals and you know getting out of that area is is the best thing that you can do have some place that you can go so that you know your you're fire and rescue. They can take care of the disaster. That's happening and they don't have to worry about that. Human and animal life that that is going to be impacted by the resources being down because obviously you know human life is going come first and the animals were seeing such a key part of that now where they're taking care of them very quickly as well but in order to focus the energy and in the resources into controlling that fire having the people evacuate and move out of that so they don't have to worry about them in their animals is is very helpful to regain control as soon as possible and make sure that you have copies of all the vaccinations I wanna see selfies of you and your animals on your cell phone on your smartphone so that you can prove up your ownership of the animals very much in a hurry but getting back to what I was talking about. I was speaking of the utility comes Zan and turns off everyone's power that will probably be a shelter in place protect your home from vandals <hes> and we'll be a real problem for folks. You know people who need air conditioning people who need medical supplies applies the folks that we know we're going to have to have additional help are going to take all the help we can provide as a ham radio operator. We're already working on the communications plan for a nearby city to be able to help people. Get the information they need have someone to talk to have volunteers trained and that's going to be if it happens on a large scale well. The word cluster comes to mind but it will be something we're not ready for. The people don't want it. It seems to be a political game in that WHO's going to do this. He's not GonNa do this. We'll the electrical utilities company. Stay or not or whatever but that bothers me a lot and that's going A.. B. The new experience if it happens and it's GonNa threaten lives and animal lives. I mean it's hard to imagine. Just you know the power goes off and everyone stays and it's just ideas incredible credible. Yeah you know I'm not I'm not familiar with those plans <hes> you're you're not genie. Yeah I mean we definitely see utilities that are down you know in in the storms terms and flooded areas where part of the grid is not flooded but other parts of the grid are and and so the disaster plans that are being put in place ultimately to to get control of the situation situation <hes> emergency management is going to be engaged in those conversations and I'm I'm sure figuring out how they're going to help protect the citizens and accommodate those who aren't going to have the utilities available and if they do shut those grits down there already working on that I have some emergency management volunteer experiencing training and they're working very hard to take care of that but it's just beyond the scope of what we normally see not in a disaster and further the victims are going to be angry at government very angry government at the utility so we can expect some real problems but let's get back to a more normal the situation an emergency can start with. There's been a fire your apartment complex Red Cross comes. They want to resettle. You and you need to have all the basics ready to go basically only if you're gonNA be leaving your home so you need five day supply of food for each of your animals. That's one of the things on your list and water also bowls. A manual can opener if you're packing canned pet food need five days of medication you need all your medical records including especially. If you WANNA get into shelter vaccination history I take photographs of all the documents in my vet. I keep them on my smartphone. I also keep them in the cloud so I can. We get those documents easily following an emergency or if you just need to take your dog to another vet or your dog gets loose and you need to have again this is what I didn't think up for a long time Selfie of of you and your dog showing you and you're happy dog you know altogether and then we need all four sides of your dog as photographs that can go on posters then make it easy to see not your shoe dog looking up actually like a prisoner governor but left side right side above end the front. If you have all of that you can. I D your dog. You can help our guest Dan Robinson from H._H._S. U._S.. You can help her team. Identify your dog ugh wounded ends up in the shelter yeah and if there's any significant identifiable markings on your pet and not your traditional kind of markings those are always great to because a lot of times when we see these animals were pulling them out of disaster situations then a look the same and they don't act the same and so everybody's like Oh all know my dog and my Nagano me or I'll know my cat and no you you may not it may take you know those all of those photographs in identifiers and and tags microchips by running my neighborhood for a little while and some people posted a poster and this is really great. This is on facebook. They took a picture of her that didn't natch her color very well. Fortunately right down there on her neck in the picture was our phone number on her tag and people are saying well. Why don't you just call the number on the tag? Did I think they did and we got back together. Our local PETSMART has a laser tag in graver than makes great tags and tell me why you need both a tag and a chip on every one of your animals. Because tags fall off callers come off and so even harnesses can come off for the tags can get lost. The microchip is going to be there. It's going to be in the animal and those are the first thing an animal goes to any shelter or rescue or clinic or comes into the disaster shelter the first thing we do is we scan those animals to see if there's a microchip sometimes they have to be scanned more than once because the chips move around and people can make mistakes stake while scanning and a big thing here is that if somebody organized fine sure animal if just someone on the street finds it. That's what you need your phone number two of them on the animal yeah and preferably terribly <hes> for disaster a phone number that is outside of the area so if you have friends or family that are out of state or you know far away from where you are like California's a big state so you know someplace else in your state where you're likely going to be more able to get. They're going to get hold of somebody. If <hes> the utilities are down in the area absolutely we have run into that many times and we've also run into people. Just don't update the chips so they moved a little bit and all of a sudden the chip that number the phone number that work doesn't work now. If you ever know your animals loss immediately call in a get your chip updated to make sure it's most current but what you really should do right now. Today is update at least two phone numbers on your chip so that the information is there and its current talks about your chip talks about you and that will help you get your dog or cat back really quickly if somebody finds it in a shelter or goes to a vet or something like that but other than that and ideally the first level is getting a good tag that has at least two who phone numbers has the animal's name on it and the dog cat walks around with that at all times and one more thing the only thing we use a collar for is identification we do not use collars awards for attaching leashes or something. That's what we use <hes> various sorts of Oh. I'm losing the word he just said it. It's it's not a collar. It's not a leash. It's a harness harness. Ernest was going to say a hoist that didn't seem right but if you have that on and by the way you can update your your animal particularly if you already know the number at found dot o._R._G.. Their free forever found F. O. U. N. D. Dot O._R._G.. Very great friend of pet owners because they sell wholesale quantities of chips for five bucks a piece which is how your local shelter can do five and ten dollar chipping so oh found dot org the Mickelson foundation down in Los Angeles are very important to getting animals chipped and keeping them chipped absolutely absolutely and being able to keep that information Russian up to date and get your animal return to you as soon as possible is is really important for the you and your animal every pet needs multiple leads so you have some way to grab them or if they run off you get close to who them step on the lead are to attach that lead to something sturdy so that you don't lose the animal having that ready is a great idea. I use by the way the regular no collar leads thinks that I can just attached to the dog and don't need to use a collar and it works just fine. I used the ones that come from them. British leads but ah which are the political flip loots. Yes slickly are really good for their animals and not the retractable leads are are really dangerous for the animal and and for people <hes> so we always recommend you know just throw those away and get new leads but people also need to understand you know if your animal was always at your side. Your dog never leads your your your side when you're outside. It's not the same in disaster. They're stressed in. They're panicked and they're not gonNA react the way they normally do so you need to take those additional precautions and make sure those animals are secure the entire time I've seen animals where people will pull up to the shelter and they open the door and. And they're going to a disaster shelter for them. In their their pets to be safe and the animal is panicked and it jumps out of the vehicle and runs off so you have to take those extra precautions to make sure the secure at every moment Roman and understand it they just they just don't behave the same way you expect them to when it's a disaster by all of my flip league and other stuff from Amazon because it's easy to get and fairly inexpensive although a good slip late from Mendota is the company's name I was thinking of <hes> they make great sup leads but some of them are eighteen bucks and I have five or six of them in my car because it's a rescue vehicle and I also have some additional well. You need blankets unique carrier's. If you have a little dog some sort of an outdoor play area might be nice if you could get it need bowls. You need food. All you need to everything including pet first-aid kit now some some of the stuff is going to overlap your human kits and your human supplies but people don't wear slip leads so there are lots of things you have to think about for your animals right right. Each animals should have it own kit. Just like each person percents should have its own kit <hes> so you have you have what you need specific for them and then you're ready to go if they're already put together. You're ready to just grab and go litterbox with extra litter and scoops certainly necessary for some animals birds. You'll find will end up with their own shelter probably at an exotic shelter but it is something that like mickle boo the pet read the bird rescue really does think about in terms of getting birds taking care of during disasters sisters and some of these animals have high temperature limitations so you're GonNa WanNa be careful where you end up right and reptiles that are dependent on heat sources and those are also critical things to be thinking about well. We are fortunate to most of the lizards my wife breeds are in containers that could be loaded in and put them in coolers and stuff like that. They'll do okay fortunately at room temperature we. I also have one snake here. WHO's about four feet long? She is a threatened eastern Indigo Sake. She's the sweetest can be but nobody else knows that so. Don't walk into the shelter wearing your snake. Yes yes yeah they need to. They need to be in their their carriers. Their containers whatever is is going to keep them safe well. This fortunately is friendly intractable and there's never bitten anyone and that's typical for these into eastern Indigo snakes that are threatened and ours can't legally be taken out of California. I don't believe so we're going to breed her. Someday we hope and again good natured snake but just seeing a snake suddenly are seeing a big dog. Suddenly can scare the big Jesus out of some old people and some ethnicities are particularly sensitive and just you know some people I'm I'm good with reptiles but if they don't have legs mandate they make me jump to so it's across the spectrum. I think people are going to react differently to every type of animal dogs cats. What's different types of dogs reptiles yeah it? It's a variety of people who react even birds have known people who are terrified of birds so you definitely want to keep them contained. You don't want to impose. Does your pets on the people at the shelter that isn't going to happen if you're not at a pet friendly shelter while you're sleeping next to your pet your pet is going to go to a separate pet shelter and you'll be there I suspect and again on the Butte county incidents and the North Valley disaster groups that you'll see on facebook they did such a great job of organizing the pets in that disaster but you can't count on them showing showing up here on the central coast when we have a problem now our problems likely to be an earthquake are something else but being ready for the disaster and for all of your animals to be ready for the disaster is pretty the important you need feeding schedules written down medical conditions behavioral issues along with a name and number of your veterinarian. Where does the Animal Go? Where are the medical records kept? All of that information is covered in this handout. Available in S._E._O.. Pet Radio on the <hes> on facebook as well as CASSIO RADIO DOT COM. You may also find newspapers paper towels plastic trash bags grooming me items some bleach for cleaning all of that stuff. You'll need to have available and you have to think about it now. You may not have enough time to get all of this and in a wide scale disaster. You may not be able to get it very we usually Dan Robinson is here. She runs the Disaster Services Group. At the Humane Society of the United States. They are often here typically once a month and we really appreciate the time that they spend with us. How can somebody support your disaster program either before or during a Disaster Diane we you can go to the Humane Society Dot Org W._W._w.? Humane Society Dot Org and there's there's information on there if you would wish to donate and then certainly during disasters donating in kind items are always helpful disaster shelters as well although you WANNA be careful and watch taught they tell you to bring and watch what they tell you not to bring absolutely yeah. There's there's very specific things that are needed and you know of course with a gift cards or money. It's always the easiest for their shoulders I to buy what they need. Then big fifty pound bag of dry food is usually welcome but that's the only thing I know that is usually welcome in a disaster during disaster we definitely put out what the needs are for the specific specific shoulder and those kind of items that will be helpful versus not final question. How are you changing your response to disaster these days well so we are? We are working initially on trying to get animals out of the shelter so animals that are already adoptable if we can transport those to other locations <hes> a lot of shoulders have transfer partners that as soon in is a disaster is headed their way in the case of hurricanes when we can see him coming <hes> those animals are transferred to another location to be adopted because they were already available for adoption and then it makes space for the animals to <hes> that are impacted by the disaster come into the shelters. Those animals won't be considered adoptable until plenty of time has passed which is how you have these giant shelters going up into county during the fire emergency in after after the newer still there. What two months later were you yeah? They were there for a while. Yeah I wasn't I wasn't on yet so I wasn't part of that but yeah they were there for a while and you know to be clear because people always misunderstand this and ah we don't transport out any animals that have been impacted by the disaster they there's a certain time period of holding those animals after the disaster is over. That's determined by the jurisdiction <hes> the only animals animals that are transported out immediately or those animals that had already been adoptable at the shoulders before the event happened. Shelters is really important because otherwise you have no place to put animals exactly exactly and a lot of the shoulders are responsible for helping in disaster and so it also helps free up their workload so they're not having to take care of all those animals at their facility and then take care of the community and disaster plenty the of volunteer jobs but you need to sign up in advance because they're going to want to get your I._D.. And your fingerprints and all of that and those of us who live typically away from disasters we're transporters keep my phone number Diane because when you know when you have something down here we have a couple of transport networks that are not run through shelters that work really well and we work with a number of rescues that have facilities that can take some of the animals in have taken some of the animals and we of course would be more than pleased to help in any sort of an emergency we helping lots of overcrowding cases now which is a fairly standard kind of emergency that's becoming. It's more common in our area than it has so Dan any final words. Just you know. I encourage everybody to make sure they're prepared. It's not a matter of <hes> if it's going to happen. It's matter when it's going to happen and you need to be ready to go when it does and if you're ready you could then help someone else who is not as prepared as you are. I am not prepared. I'm saying that right here on the program. I'm not prepared and if I'm.