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The Devil Went Down to Georgia
"Common sense commentary on politics culture and events if it's on your mind it's in the news and now in the news with your host. Mike dakkak so the cracking here has been released. The crack and of course are the lawsuits that are being brought by one. Sydney powell used to be attorney for the trump campaign but the trump campaign put out a statement the other day that kind of distance themselves from powell and my problem with that is not so much that that lessons powell's work in any way it's that the momentum is a real thing and we're in the middle of a propaganda war right now so you have to be careful with the steps that are taken. There was some question about people interpreted. That's that statement by the campaign kind of distancing themselves from From sydney powell As a question as to whether powell was going to be able to deliver on the goods it seems that she has absolutely delivered on the goods. Powell details the words of a whistle blower who says that smart matic software. Now you're going to hear a lot of names and a lot of different companies. Smart matic dominion as this thing goes on here. Not just you know this show but as the days not weeks go on here sequoia various other names and they're gonna swear that they have nothing to do with each other. They're all actually inter they sell to each other. They're all owned by shell companies. No one knows who owns these companies which is a problem in and of itself. We'll talk about that in a second. But powell here has filed these lawsuits one in georgia and one in michigan. And i'm going to talk about the one in georgia here. I'm about halfway through the legal documents. It's one hundred page document hundred for without the exhibits. The exhibit still have yet to be a posted but from what i understand a lot of exhibits and so i've gone through the jaw. The georgia lawsuit here and then as the the days and the weeks go on. I'm going to be going through the michigan one but she posted these lawsuits less night wednesday. The wednesday before thanksgiving happy thanksgiving to all of you by the way I think it was about eleven o'clock eastern time Seven pm or closer to midnight. Not exactly sure. I woke up today to the news that they were posted So they came in and were all kind of struggling to get our hands wrapped around exactly what she alleges but so far what she alleges points to a scandal that has really kind of massive and i think is is even at this point is kind of being underestimated by the vast majority of the american people. I i think that were struggling to kind of comprehend. Exactly what the implications of these things are but we'll take it step at a time. Here powell details the words of a whistleblower who was actually in the room as smart maddock was being designed and architecture if You want to say that. And it was being designed in venezuela years and years ago at the behest of the dictator of venezuela at the time hugo chavez hugo chavez was trying to figure out a way to stay in power apparently indefinitely for as long as you wanted to and so he wanted somebody to come up with a software voting software package. That would make sure that he quote unquote won every election. He participated in. And so this whistle blower that is now working with sidney. Powell has come forward and and attested to in in sworn affidavits to the things they're saying this whistle blower says smart maddock was designed to hide the manipulation it conducts and switching votes from one candidate to another which i guess kind of makes sense right if you wanna create software to steal elections. What good is software to steal elections if you can't hide the fact that you're trying to steal elections right. But the core requirement of these smart matic software design that was commissioned at the behest of one hugo chavez was the software's ability to hide its manipulation of votes from any audit as the whistle blower explains. I'm quoting here from the the legal. Filing chavez was most insistent that smart matic design the system in a way that the system could change the vote of each voter without being detected. he wanted the software itself to function in such a manner. That if the voter were to place their thumbprint or fingerprint on a scanner then the thumbprint would be tied to a record of the voters. Name and identity as having voted but that voter would not be tracked to the changed. Vote so in other words. If you walked into a voting booth here in the states on november third and you let's just say voted for donald trump chavez has wanted a system where you could come back a day later or a week later or a month later or whenever and say hey i want to make sure that this vote was counted and that i actually voted for. The vote was reported in the way that i intended for the candidate that i intended. And so you would put your thumb print or your fingerprint. Some kind of identifying marker into the machine and the vote would pop up and you'd have your name and it would save voted for donald trump all the while when it was actually tabulated on election day that vote actually went to joe biden again from the from the legal filings. He made it clear that the system would have to be set up to not leave any evidence of the changed. Vote for a specific voter and that there would be no evidence to show and nothing to contradict that the name or the fingerprint or thumbprint was going to a changed vote. And then you have software like that of dominion systems which also doesn't allow for vote manipulation to be their audit logs which are logs. Every time you log in to assist them such as dominion an audit log tracks who logged in the time and the date that they logged in what they did. Well that audit log is is meant as a security measure the audit log in dominion can be the league and kennedy manipulated so you can go in there and change all the votes you want and then you can just wipe any evidence in the audit log that you were there. From the filing the design and features of the dominion software do not permit a simple audit to reveal its misallocation redistribution or deletion of votes i. The systems central accumulator does not include a protected real time audit log that maintains the date and timestamps of all significant election results. Essentially this allows an unauthorized user. The the opportunity to arbitrarily add modify or remove log entries causing the machine to log election events that do not reflect actual voting tabulations or more specifically do not reflect the actual votes of the will of the people so this basically flies in the face of any kind of professional standard within the industry. Any kind of auditing or forensic analysis forensic analysis the have something like this. It's akin to someone. Let's say there's a lot of snow in your front yard or if your front yard was very muddy and someone in the middle of the night trace through that mud or that snow leaving footprints behind broke into your home and stole something and then on the way out just kind of tracked the footsteps that they left wiping them and smudging the footsteps away so you never knew that they were there. Why would a feature like this be present in any kind of voting software package. Why would anybody buy it. If you're an election official in any state why would you buy software like that knowing that the votes can be tampered with. An you know the other thing that we need to talk about it again. Who owns these companies. That's going to be the next domino to fall here. Additionally the lawsuit asserts that voting machines in georgia were illegally connected to the internet which they should not have been so palo's lawsuit kind of skipping to the end of the lawsuit argues that the general election results in georgia needs to be set aside. They basically need to be thrown out. She says georgia's election officials and poll workers exacerbated and helped whether knowingly or unknowingly the million system to carry out massive voter manipulation by refusing to observe some of these safeguards especially when it comes to absentee ballots and they point out that at least ninety six thousand votes were illegally counted during the georgia twenty twenty election. And that's your points out that under georgia law an election can be contested under several conditions number. One when there's misconduct fraud or irregularity when illegal votes have been received legal votes have been rejected when if there is any error in counting the votes or the clearing the result of the primary or election and for any other cause which shows that another person was the person legally nominated or elected every one of those conditions has been satisfied by the way biden currently leads president trump in georgia by less than thirteen thousand votes so the narrative here. I say all that to say the narrative here is starting to crack for the longest time it was. Joe biden is the president and we have to move on and trump supporters have to cope with the results. And why won't they release the funds for the transition. And when is trump going to concede and he's a narcissist. Now it's more or less silence. I liken it's a kind of standing outside and looking along the horizon and seeing storm clouds gathering. And you're just kind of standing there and you're you're knowing that there's a storm coming and the only question now is how bad is it going to be. That's kind of like where the left is now in the country as a whole for that matter. Yeah biden is still biden is still walking around like he's going to be inaugurated folks man. He had this press conference the other day when he introduces to the world. All of his cabinet picks. And you know you really have to feel sorry for the left. I mean not the globalists' that pull the strings. I'm talking about the rank and file. I'm talking about the everyday democrats that are on the ground kind of dancing on the ends of these strings. They actually thought things were going to change. They thought joe biden was going to govern like he was bernie sanders or at least elizabeth warren. And now he's he's going to govern like he's a swamp creature because that's what he's being paid to do remember folks. Joe biden is not in control. And when i say he's not in control i don't mean he gets a phone call every night detailing exactly what he's gonna say and how he's going to say it the next day or an email with a script that he has to read from. Its the broad parameters to broad strokes or there and everyone. Everyone understands everyone in the loop understand what needs to be done. And if they didn't understand they wouldn't be there in the first place that's why the war against donald trump is such as it is. He's going to continue this shift of jobs overseas. Everyone understands that he's going to continue these endless wars. everyone understands that he's going to seed american influence. The china sure it's going to be painted as other things shifting jobs overseas is going to be painted as you know trying to get the economy going again. Endless engaging an endless wars is going to be a painted as national security imperatives and we have to defend vulnerable people overseas. It all ends the same way though the broad parameters they aren't they weren't there you wouldn't be where he is and so you have this press conference and they're all you know all these people that he's introducing. They're all retreads right. There are people who are just charge for years ago. Maybe not at the top line level at the under secretary level which the people who do all the work anyway when folks john carey is in the cabinet in does that sound like things are going to change. They're trying to keep up with the pageantry. And you know make this all seem like it's normal but nothing is normal and they know that and so. This narrative now is beginning to crack because evidence is beginning to be presented for the longest time the narrative was. Well where's the evidence everything you're presenting. A circumstantial yeah. There was a poll watcher. Who was prevented from watching an in somewhere in michigan and there was another poll watcher. Who was five feet away when they wanted to be two feet away. But this is not anything to overturn the election. Where is the evidence and so giuliani. In the trump legal team they go down to pennsylvania the other day. And if you haven't watched this hearing a hearing before the pennsylvania state legislature a highly recommend that you watch it. It's a little long but it's it's worth the watch at least. Wash the giuliani parts. Actually i shouldn't say that you should try and watches much of it as you can. Because they're winesses that are there when makes it compelling is that they're all their coworkers and they're your friends and family and their neighbors their everyday americans. They're not polished that they're not political. Operatives they're not hacks they're not sitting there with with speeches the days stutter and they kind of ramble a little bit. And they're you know they do the exact same job you and i would do if we were thrust into that position. They just care about the country and they're speaking out against wrong things that they've seen. So how do you recommend that you watch it. But the giuliani parts. What i started to say in watching those parts. You can kind of see you. What made rudy giuliani rudy giuliani. He did a masterful job and you can kind of say mean. Giuliani has his history as a prosecutor and he prosecuted the case pretty effectively and he just lays out finding after finding of stuff that you know in your bones stinks and stuff that has just a little fish and you have a six hundred thousand vote dump in pennsylvania. For example five hundred seventy thousand of them are for biden only three thousand three thousand two hundred to be exact for trump. I mean folks. That's not unlikely. That is the typically impossible. It is statistically impossible for dump like that to occur and you have generalists who another one of president trump's attorney so did a pretty good job in her own right. Pay attention to her. She sprinkled a couple of of phrases in her statements. That i want you to pay attention to kind of made my ears perk up and i believe we're going to be hearing a lot more of these two statements as as the days and weeks. Go on here. The mountain the first one was irredeemably compromised. She kept referring to the election in pennsylvania as irredeemably compromised. The something is iridium ably compromised or that it needs to be thrown out and the second thing she kept saying over and over was it's not just election fraud but election official fraud that means that they're alluding to a conspiracy having taken place. So you're probably going to hear a lot more. These two statements as the days and weeks go on here but again. Giuliani lays out the six hundred thousand vote. Dumpy lays out the fact that you have one point. Eight million mail in ballots sent out in pennsylvania but two and a half million ballots being recorded in the final tally. Where did those extra seven hundred thousand mail in ballots. Come from no one knows. You have thirty thousand mail in ballots. That came back the same day. They were mailed. Okay so maybe you have thirty thousand people in pennsylvania who all thought the exact same way they check. Their mail found a mail in ballot and decided they were going to drop everything in their hands hop into the car. Drive directly to the ballard dropbox fill out the ballot and drop it in. Maybe that's possible. You have twenty thousand mail in ballots. That came back the day before they were mailed. That's that's a pretty neat trick. Your eight thousand Mail in ballots came in from dead people. Which is giuliani points out. I guess it's easier for dead people to Cast mail in ballots than it is for them to vote in person. But what you need to understand is had democrats are not disputing any of these facts. Not disputing any of these numbers. The only thing you heard from democrats in the wake of that hearing after three or four hours was well. This is not a real hearing. This is just lies. it's not a real here. i mean folks. These results are not going to be certified. You heard it here first. The question is again. How bad is it going to get and that's why you have the blackout on the news. Because they don't want people to understand the evidence that is starting to come out. They want him to be in shock when a month from now or two or three weeks from now people up to blaring headlines that say states like georgia and states like pennsylvania and maybe a handful of others nevada and a few others all make up and save a refusing to certify these results or court throws them out or goes all into the supreme court and the supreme court throws him out. So states are not going to certify and remember if neither candidate gets the two hundred and seventy certified electoral college votes then. The election gets thrown to the house of representatives. But it doesn't get decided by street. Vote in the house. Against the cited. By state delegations and each delegation gets one. Vote the hottest each delegation decide. Who is who is going to give. It's one vote to buy an internal vote within the delegation. And so the more delegations controlled the better republicans controlled. Twenty six eight delegations democrats control twenty two in the remaining. I think our believe are abstentions but once it gets to the house. The house is going to certified all likelihood trump as the winner. It's ultimately up to the house to decide if they're gonna except the electives of a particular state. So even if joe biden gets there with two hundred seventy electoral votes house reps can decide that. They're not going to accept the electoral votes of certain states. Where results are in questions. Results are in question. Robot representative mo brooks of alabama said or the other other we couple of weeks ago. He's already said. I'm not going to accept some of these results. If congressman any congressman can object. They have some time the sorted out if they can. Those electors are not accepted. Then it goes to the house on that delegation vote base basis. So if you were a betting person that's where you would be. This is all going to come down and they want people to be outraged. That's why all of this evidence is being suppressed. It's being suppressed so one day a month from now when these results are tossed out you can be shocked and then you can believe the results are being stolen and you can take to the streets and break stuff and ryan break windows and viola assault people all while they literally stand off to the side and laugh at us so watch these hearings even though it may seem like a like a time suck read the court filings even though they made belong. See what you think of them yourself. They bet on normal cbo bias. They bet that people say well. How could Twenty nine states us voting software. How could you keep a conspiracy. A secret stretches across twenty nine states. There's no way that can happen. They bet on people believing things are normal when everything they're doing is decidedly abnormal. Then they can call for statehood for puerto rico and the abolition of the electoral college completely and the reform of the supreme court remain. Well informed over these coming days and weeks. That's the only action they have no response to and it's the only defense in the end we're going to have a short say. Hope you enjoyed it. If you have any comments on any of the issues we discussed drop me a line. You can reach me. Comments show dot com. That's comments itn show dot com. Thanks for listening everyone. That's next time to carry yourselves in each other and again happy thanksgiving it's on your mind. 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Collapse Of Health System Sends Venezuelans Fleeing To Brazil For Basic Meds
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Comcast business having the nation's largest gig speed network was just the start. Now, they're providing gig fueled apps and solutions that exceed expectations and help businesses perform Comcast business beyond fast. Here's one sign of how deep the crisis in Venezuela is it's healthcare system has collapsed. Regional officials say a measles outbreak that began. There was not controlled. It's now spreading throughout South America, and some basic medical supplies and medications, even surgical gloves are no longer available in clinics in Venezuela. And peers Jason Bogan has more by just about every measurement possible. Venezuela's once impressive medical system has fallen apart the Latin American nation with the largest oil reserves in the world is now dealing with an ongoing measles outbreak that last year sick and thousands of people and killed at least seventy four clinics have run out of basic surgical supply. Lies and anti-biotics routine. Vaccination campaigns have been suspended even patients dependent on saving HIV medications have seen supplies of their anti-aids drugs. Disappear. Dr Kathleen page recently visited camps in northern Brazil for some of the three million Venezuelans who fled the country that was not a doctor in the nineteen eighties. When the as make started. But I know what happened and I felt that in these wars I was going back to the nineteen eighties page in infectious disease specialist at Johns Hopkins Medical school says she was shocked to see aids. Patients from Venezuela dying of opportunistic, infections, honig diarrhea infections in their brain things that that we know are treatable and preventable page traveled to the Brazilian Venezuelan border late last year as part of a fact-finding trip for Human Rights Watch I interviewed over one hundred people crossing the border, and I would ask them. Why did you come ubiquitously? The answer was food or healthcare. Many people told her they'd been surviving for months on a diet. Only of Yuka a rugged shrub that has a potato like root in the late nineteen ninety s Hugo Chavez promised free universal healthcare in Venezuela and the country quickly met most of the US healthcare targets by twenty ten but since then the country's much fond in healthcare system has collapsed. Infant mortality the rate at which kids under the age of one or dying is widely viewed as a barometer of a nation's overall health. A recent study in Lancet global health found that the nation's infant mortality rate has risen all the way back to where it was in the nineteen ninety s Jimmy Garcia is one of the authors of that study choking. I mean, we have eighteen years of broiler study is choking and kids are suffering and dying from simple things at the Brazilian border. Dr page met a woman in her ten year old daughter who just come out of Venezuela. The girl was in a wheelchair and needed a catheter. They had been using the same catheter for a year. These theaters is supposed to be. Changed every time you use them. And now she had infection those affecting her kidney. And there was no antibiotics, so they actually pushed her, you know, two hundred miles across the border two hundred miles on foot for a catheter and some antibiotics page who's originally from Uruguay says the health conditions. She saw among the Venezuelans were startling, particularly given Venezuela's reputation as a relatively wealthy Latin American country and these refugees weren't fleeing a war zone, the devastation that you're seeing is not war. It's mismanagement is were economic decisions corruption there's a lot of complicated factors, but it's totally manmade. This is not an actual disaster or something that was inevitable, and that makes the Venezuelan health crisis. She says even more disturbing Jason Bobi, an NPR news.
Episode 382 - Happy Thanksgiving 2020
"Weightiest three eighty two at thanksgiving twenty. Twenty podcast you're about to listen to includes and talking about who has please be advised. Welcome to episode of theus nomads. Dustin and i've learned with be. Hello all right. So he's drunk. And i'm tired not drunk. You were and you're drinking again so that you will be. We've been dieting so that we had pizza tonight. He broke cutting down on carbs in my Alcohol is kind of gun. He's a cheap date. So we had an interview lined up for the weekend for this week's episode the bell through because the sky. Just oh we'll get into it. Yeah you went for fifteen minutes before i could get a word in edgewise. Like right at the very start is supposed to be a little bit of get to know each other before we start recording now. He didn't know that that's what he'd been told that it was going to be an interview. And i couldn't get a word in naturalize gave him Finally got him to give me a chance to say something and then try to get him to answer one question. It took him fifteen minutes to me to finally give up on him trying to answer that and he said i asked for public consumption anyway. All right well nice day and that was the away goes on the show to do an interview with information slash ideas that you don't want published to the public and after having somebody that you work for early have working for you. You're paying money to get this book and then blow it off like that s. That's who i felt bad for ya man and then we've got. We're supposed to have another one tonight while at the same time that we're recording now but then the guy realized that. Oh that wasn't his time zone so it would have been too true them. Yeah we're rescheduling interviewing anybody at ten o'clock at night is pretty rough. That's i would've been fine at six but yeah highly. Wouldn't have nope so here. We are wanting to go nice and casual. 'cause this episode is going out on thanksgiving day. Twenty twenty this is a year of hell and having things to be thankful for this year is definitely a good thing right. Yeah and before we get into the list of the things that we're thankful for you know let's talk about what thanksgiving's from because this is something that i know some atheists get shit from people about is. How could you celebrate thanksgiving. You're fucking atheists to happen to me and my job at saint. Luke's yeah like. Oh man so excited for thanksgiving. She couldn't comprehend than would be excited about any holiday. She's like Why would you celebrate thanksgiving. You're thinking that you're thinking the lord for everything like what since then you know you're thinking everybody around you your thank in the fricken harvest. You're thinking oh great. Well we're thinking the pie you thinking so much pie you look then you go back and think another piece of high and then realize you're supposed to be that was one too many. Thank you pies and was like oh thin. Your food coma. Oh it's good. It's a good holiday but but you you look back at history and you know it's one thing that's kind of interesting for us is both lauren and i have an ancestor. Who was on the mayflower which means kylie actually has to ancestors. Were on on the mayflower. Yeah yeah mine was dodie in yours not yours. Dodie was somebody else. Mine was doty. No mine's doty okay. Oh okay. I don't remember what my wish ancestor. That was but My mom would be terrified so offended so offended. Yeah but but yeah so. It was our our to ancestors were light. Some of like what sixty people that point at what would have been the theoretical first thanksgiving where the survivors of the mayflower. Been a super rough year. They made it through the winter. They had food. they got help from the locals. They've upped the locals with some moore's local help them with some wars and then they got together and they had a large communal meal together. Everybody's thanking each other both in the commonwealth performing and their allies that were had been living in the area forever. Yeah and that's what the thanksgiving was about. It wasn't about a higher power. It was about thinking their friends that had helped them get through the year and help them survive. When there's nothing that. I understand how it got hijacked to be religious but i i never thought of thanksgiving as anything but a secular holiday and i grew up devoutly. Religious and thanksgiving thanksgiving and fourth of july. Were both like those were the new years. Were like the big secular holidays. Yeah but i also grew up adventists which is kind of still getting over. Its anti-holiday sentiments. Where even. Christmas was secular at that point. Christmas and easter were secular holidays to me growing up because those were catholic. All shit that had been americanized. And we're just fun and so basically just l- thanksgiving at that point. Whatever your school allows you to celebrate. Whatever that month holiday is because every month has got to have a holiday for kindergarteners to keep track of time but thanksgiving is definitely one of those that it is at its core a very secular holiday. Yes there are people for whom it is very meaningful for them to use it as a time to thank their imaginary friend. But it's also good for everyone to be grateful and thankful people help them. Get through the year. Joseph roberts was my ancestor. Oh he's just your mom up to two brothers came over Hey doesn't come in from editing. We looked at this little closer and it wasn't two brothers as a father and son. The father didn't make it through the winter. The sun died and old age. Thomas died the first winter. Joseph survived was eighteen. Diong survive the first winter losses. Brothers yes you would be thankful for right the people who got you through. Hooray for the pre columbian exchange. That's what i think thanksgiving really it's just celebration of north american foods and and it really is when you look at the food's somkhun pumpkin were sh- sweet. Potatoes potatoes cranberries. I mean if turkey. Yeah these are all new world darn yup. All new world foods. It's also a awesome time to be able to get together with family in most years which is also an important thing. Yeah i have been able to see family for thanksgiving for a few years so we have surrogate family here. In in the boise region that Took us in for thanksgiving holidays and while you know it sucks not being able to see them this year A lot of people the the this year's going to be tough my at least we're alive well and when you look at the the the big the big to family holidays in the winter yes they are really close together. Which does suck. It would be great if thanksgiving was say around the same time. The canadian form of thanksgiving to close to halloween. But have to be mid-november week earlier. Anyway it's it is also helpful for couples and people and families with children to like last year. We went to your parents house for thanksgiving. No no christmas. We were supposed to go to my parents house for thanksgiving but there was a giant storm. Yeah that was that would have killed us. Yeah that was one where because we are reasonable people when the government of oregon says please do not come here. We live for your own safety. We listen when nature speaks we. Listen but it's it's always been one of my favorite. It's thanksgiving is always been my favorite winter holiday. It's still my favorite winter holiday. And i think it is one that atheists should be super proud to celebrate and take that take back. That thanksgiving mentality of yes. I am thankful for things because people made it happen. And sometimes you're thankful for how good your community is because you love your community and if you could you would like to just thank everybody in your community for being awesome. You don't need god to be involved in that now. in fact i think god takes away from it. Yeah it's like it's like oh. Thank the lord for a food at the food bank. No thank the people who donate it. You know there's a. There's a person behind every act every thing that people are thankful for stereotypically anyway and it's just like well. What about the people that made that happen. Don't forget them. Of course we don't go and hand out pie to everybody we've ever come across either but this year is tough because you shouldn't be traveling because there is a virus huddle thing called covid nineteen going around and will it. It does kill people so the cdc directors latest sound bite on it which i could look up actually play But i don't think it's necessarily is. Yeah if you want to travel and have a big family thanksgiving get ready for an icu. Christmas yeah that's assuming there's room in an icu. For you your family members to get to know not in utah. Nope and pretty soon. Not here either. Yeah it just. We tried to libertarian. Way okay. we asked people to mind their manners and they're not doing it so now we're going to go towards the more or slightly fascist way of telling them okay. You need to not do this. You need to not infect other people and well. They're not doing that either. No and yes. It was somebody on the facebook page. Who said that that was fascist to threaten to jail people for not wearing masks that's missing some of nuance that it is if you are going into a business in doors because masks are required to go into any business that you are trespassing if the business tells you to leave and if the business doesn't tell you you need to leave then they are likely to lose their license that is fascist that his public health orders. Those are a thing as old as civilization. of course that's only if you take a covert seriously if you think it's over. This is just overrated. You know stomach bug and you're not gonna. Yeah you are going to think. This is fascist. It's not political there And in in the city of boise it is yeah. It went into effect on monday. That if you see people in a store without basem asks you should talk to the employee's there and if they don't try to do anything about it then you call the city and complaint. You've got a special hotline for handling that in the city will go and educate them and if they continue getting more complaints than the city will revoke their business license right. They want businesses to enforce wearing masks inside the business and if people refuse to call the police and get them trespassed off the property. Yeah try to do everything as on the down lowest possible though because stitches get stitches and of course this did get the mayor of boise a ham bundy protest outside of her house. Yeah who is paying for that okay. So back to thanksgiving okay. I have a list prepared of things that i am thankful for. Shit i mean okay. Yeah i am also mentally prepared for this. Some some are directly podcast related and some are not but in all practicality they are you just going to read off a list no no. Yeah you were. Though i i i one. I am so glad that kylie is a healthy happy and well adjusted almost three-year-old. Yes we're very very lucky to have the best three year old in the world even when she does scratch my face. God that sucks. She did not want to leave the toilet. She was not ready to go. Nope nope and i am. I guess thankful of laurens doctors that you're doing better doing i'm doing better and In precise cassidy repre in return. Thank you for getting doctors to actually listen if you hadn't called there if he hadn't gone over their heads and called the director i wouldn't have even gotten in for an appointment. Well okay so that was one of those. Where i i work with a lot of like. I can technically a low level specialist at the hospital. I am regional staff and when you are in a specialist technical specialist role you interact with men mostly with managers directors. Vp's and sometimes presidents and with health systems. There are a ridiculous number. Vp's presidents and ceos. And and i was getting fed up with how lauren was not getting better and didn't seem like it was. Were ever going to get the help you needed to get better. And i had just done some training of some of the clinic managers and the director over much of the clinics. And i was like how could you be. Could you help me out with this. And yeah within an hour. Lauren had three appointments. Yeah it was awesome. And i do attribute that to you. Know that's luck that we were lucky. I'm lucky that dust stat happened to have that kind of job where he talked to those people. Not everybody has that people die because they don't have access to your doctors. Now that is also one of the points that brings up is if you are in a situation where you aren't getting the care that you need file a complaint managers and directors look those complaints and don't like them they want to everything. It's another notification that they want to ignore but they can't because they have to file reports about it and a lot of facilities actually have director or higher being the ones that get the complaints and no clinic manager wants to find out from their director that a patient has fallen through the cracks. And that's my case was it was a case of a couple of specialists juggling me around and eventually just in covid and then covid so the the end if you feel like fell through the cracks. Yeah you've got to contact somebody other than your doctor. They're going to try and get you in but you know if it's your doctors at a small independent clinic just ask for the clinic administrator or practice manager that's who can help with that kind of scheduling stuff if if it's part of a health medical group Call the main office of the medical group. It's owned by a hospital. You can call the hospital because we are. We are patients but we're also customers you're paying these people a lot of money to take care of you and if they keep punting the ball down then yeah you have the right to my next one is. I am very thankful that my parents are taking the pandemic very seriously. I've been bad for them. They are all. They're far away a not from town that they don't have a whole lot of a social life anyway. Yeah and then to restrict their visits to family every once in a while. I don't think they've even done that very much. It's been they get to see tammy and fairly regularly. Yeah he wears a face mask and a and a massive outside and they keep it outside. They're doing everything correctly. But we are high risk. Yeah my mom is very high. Risk having recent because a couple of years ago have having had a triple bypass She is about as high risk as you can get but despite them taking it very seriously. We were able to work out quarantining inning and got to have an amazing trip to the john day. Fossil beds together. Yeah that was a lot of fun. And if both sides had agreed to be shut for several weeks we wouldn't have been able to do it and a lot of people were planning on doing that for thanksgiving. The problem with the thanksgiving holiday is that you do tend to mix family groups. It's not just you visiting your parents. You visit your parents and your siblings and your aunts and uncles and that's where you get into trouble if it's just the one family and you're both quarantined. Yeah it's fine. Oh and the other thing about that john. Fossil beds trip was it was in september when our covid rates were the lowest here that they've been since july. Yeah then our backup to higher than we were in july. Yeah if i would not under any circumstances visit my parents with the numbers as high as they are now my god. Have you seen those things. But you know this could be your your relatives last thanksgiving. Don't you want to be there for them. You wanna make sure it's there last thanksgiving that's basically the point. Yeah show up at a will be. Yeah that's that's incredibly selfish and using elderly relatives. Excuse is a terrible thing to do. I'm i'm glad i was. I've been able to work from home. Yeah Although the chances of catching anything at the hospital proper as pretty low it is very low but part of why keep that low is by having as many people as they can not working in the hospital. Yep there's a big part of it. I think you're officiency probably gone up. No now i still bogged down in those stupid meetings but the but has also been helpful with while you've been doing we're doing worse earlier this year. Being here to help was good and it also allowed me to see things that you weren't awake enough to notice and i wasn't reporting. It's really hard to tell your doctor things when you're not aware enough of the happening. Yeah i'm also really Thankful my boss. Scott me and my teammates raise was process through like three days before everybody was on mandatory work from home and they were starting to furlough people. That was amazing that you got that it barely like. We were on lockdown. When that first paycheck came in with that he went to bat for you. That was awesome. And what's it makes it through the three or four committees to get approved. Nobody's going back on that now by that point has been signed off by like fifteen directors and vp's and sea level people and. Yeah they're not going back on that I am lauren. I want to thank you for helping so much the show especially despite your health issues. Yeah you do miss my sound effects. It's harder to do with kylie sleeping in the next round that we've been having on board we've been having to record getting there. We've been having a record late and that is really hard for you and yeah. I'm usually in bed by now. No you aren't. You usually not really conscious but you're not in bed. The there were. There was a lot of this summer. That was going to bed at eight thirty. Yeah so yes well thank you thank you. You're welcome I know that it's the podcast is hard to do. It's hard to and it's always harder to listen to a single person talk then banter boy we have a lot of banter. Yeah the The the show that that needs that not every show needs it. This is one that by design. Does you're not lecturing on a particular subject you're talking about stuff and sometimes it's nice to have a different opinion patrons. I want to thank you all for your support now. My gosh me too. That's a good one. We have lost way fewer patrons than i have expected over the year and we have gained more in that time period This has been a hard year financially for a lot of people. And i know across all of patriots on patronage is down down a lot I i know from the survey that we did a couple years ago that our listener base tends to be financially pretty stable and the higher the higher paid. Somebody is the more likely they kept their job through all this. Yeah so that that probably means that most listeners kept their job. We're very lucky to have a good day Demographic when it comes money. Yeah that's beside the point But it's been and also with the the show just being more difficult to keep up with this year The continued support has been has been definitely strongly encouraging me to persevere. Yeah this was. I mean we're hitting the tail end of of a certain administration and everybody was just gasping by the end of that so I know it's been difficult for any. Podcast is based on news or and for any listeners. Who are not based in the us. It s hard. Yeah and also everybody. who's listening. thank you. Yeah it's of. Our numbers are the people who are just listening. And that's cool that's awesome and it's it's a steady numbers and that keeps me knowing that we're doing things. Well yep shout out to the mother truckers or the you know the one but yes all the listeners. Who has if you're stuck at home. You're out of your mind. You're needing something to keep going. I'm glad that you choose us. Whether or if you're on your commute or if it's just for entertainment purposes it's great. It's a great way to Expand your worldview in one case and or listen to the echo chamber and the other student grades are always fun. I got to do some this year. Yay that's good and this mixer zoom live track l. Eight is so real dream to use. It actually looks like audio equipment like beyond just a microphone. Actually got blinky lights. It's got sliders sliders and and switches. It's like oh. I want to mess with it. So bad and we're we're fortunate kylie hasn't s with much One of the nice things is most of the settings are digital so when you turn it off kylie can move the sliders. All she wants and nothing happens and then when you turn it back. I remember where they were. The knobs are a little different but the sliders yeah And i got a new laptop which is new to me. It's a lenovo x to sixty so it's used off lease corporate gear. But it's awesome. And is i'm really enjoying it for doing editing on a from a recliner. Yeah he's we've been hanging out in the living room a lot more since he brought the recliner out. I got my i got a recliner for myself. it's it's fun. It's always fun. A friend of mine came over somebody. Who's actually a listener she's like. Did you change jess. How often do you change your living room. Oh well about as often as you come over yes. Dog is a dream by the way even if she is a little needy. And we've also been able to do remote interviews and you know the the stimulus money and selling some stuff is allowed doing some of these purchases And that has been just the general podcast money that comes in I always set aside some of that for for upgrades. And we've been able to work on the video setup and improving our remote interview setup to allow video much better gas on the tv in the living room pretty cool and it is really nice for doing socially distant interviews and guests and it makes it feel like they're in the living room with us you can react to people's faces a lot more than you give yourself credit for. Yeah that's the list. All right we do have some news first story. A new poll of trump voters specifically trump supporters. There is a distinction there. Okay so these are the the rabid fans are the rabid fans who the the the thirty percent in most polls who have always supported president trump regardless. okay the craig craze so of them in this. According to this occidental public polling survey sixty five percent of them believe. The democrats collaborated with blink to win the election. Yep who do you think blink is. I'll make it multiple choice for you. Okay okay is it. Russia russia china hugo chavez or satan satan satan is correct satan god of course we're always cavorting with satan and actually nobody. I haven't heard anybody on the right. Claiming russia helped democrats They all know. Russia was helping trump so they wouldn't say that Iran would have been the better other one to have on that list. There have been claims that china was interfering. There've been claims that iran north korea. Now just satan sydney powell. Who is the current legal counsel for the trump campaign. Who was michael. Flynn's lawyer and a stream of crazy. Consciousness claim that h- cuba and venezuela were funding democrats and that hugo chavez was leading to try to get communist support for communist policies from democrats. What's funny there's he goes shove as died in two thousand thirteen. that's awesome. The ghost of hugo chavez is a democrat and venezuela's economy is in complete shambles and has been for quite a while so they aren't aware not not based in reality. Wanna know what that's based then red. Dawn oh my god red dawn venezuela and cuba invading the. Us so the russians can come in. Yeah wow yeah yeah In this survey the democrats collaborated with satan to win the election. Okay okay Apparently worked boise idaho. Now has a brand new chapter of the satanic temple. Starting up So i've i've asked them if they wanna come on the show they. They have to go through their media training. I i mean their brand spanking new. So i they are accepting pre orders for the t shirts though and there is a part of me who wants to get a sticker. Put it on the front door. So the knowing little neighborhood kid will stop coming round. Because his mom's jesus freak maybe that that will keep them away. Oh man no. That probably wouldn't he probably wouldn't even know. Yeah oh man. We need okay. All we need to do is order. One of the tannock temple books for children Give it to him his mom osea and flip out. that's great. Oh except she'd probably do something to him and i don't want that to. Yeah okay. it's just a kitten yet. Never mind jesus freaks terrible people. Sometimes in this survey they also found that seventy percent believed the mail in voting led to widespread voter fraud. Seventy two percent believe that ballots were tampered with and four percent of the people who thought the election was unfair. So eighty four percent of the seventy eight percent believed that it benefited biden. Yeah so it's basically every and what's what's funny is if some people are like the democrats made such a big deal about twenty sixteen now that we're now that we're suffering. Nobody wants to hear us us because the democrats in thousand sixteen had legit issues. That were backed up. I proof legit issues. But also didn't push recount recount after recount. Hillary clinton conceded before the morning of the day after election. Day like democrats didn't do any of this twenty sixteen. They investigated foreign in the prolonged temper. Tantrum yeah well. That's the difference in the type of politician that you elect in you familiar with this also referred to as a n no not i may. What is it. One america news network. Oh yes yes yes. This is yeah. It is news for people who think that fox news has a liberal bias. Youtube has suspended their account not allowing them to post videos for one week and has kicked them out of the u2 partner program which means they can't make money off videos off they will be eligible after their suspension is over to apply again for the partner program. What got them kicked off. Well they already had warnings And they'd exhausted all of their warnings. So this is their first strike They were promoting a fake covid cure. Oh no oh don't do that. People was jesus. No no but yeah cova. Misinformation is a youtube biggest no-go and this was not the first time they got in trouble for ovid. Miss information If my understanding is correct it's that with youtube. You can get a whole bunch of strikes for different things especially if you're a big channel or likely to get them called before congress for anti conservative bias so you can have your racist strikes and you're covid misinformation strikes and you're copyright infringements strikes. Yeah they they they're they're hitting the covert information Now this has brought up some questions. As to why has fox news got strikes or spreading covid misinformation and the critical distinction. There is youtube categorizes fox news. As a actual news media organization one america news network is not categorized as a legitimate news organizations. Right fake news. It's like msnbc can get away with saying stuff. They would get the young turks in trouble because the young turks is not part of the mainstream media. It shouldn't be allowed to say that. Either though i mean fox be no. They shouldn't Whatever last month this ship and a j. radovic of the serbian orthodox church died of covid was eighty two years old. And i've been going through weeks of covid related health issues and then finally died so then a few days later and in a lot of eastern orthodox traditions they don't do embalming so this would have been probably two or three days later. They had a funeral open casket. The ninety year old head of the serbian orthodox church patriarch near egg near edge. Was there as well as several hundred other people all packed in almost nobody wore masks. Many of the people there kissed the corpse. I can see where this is going. And it's an both incredibly sad and laughing. My head off kovic is four pieces of somebody with covert are still contagious. Yeah the disease doesn't die. Soon as the host diocese. No it's it's it is one of those that like people working in morgues with covid. Patients have to be in full. Has matt gear. It's or at least full respiratory the same precautions. They would need to do to be taking care of a living covid patient. Tom patriarch encourage edge. Died he caught. The virus was digging in and okay. Okay no no no no open. Casket probably not great. Don't do opencast goes to bed idea. Actually what you know. If anybody dies dies of disease you burn the body. It's just like that's survival one. Oh one right. A plague zombies throughout history. The places where they burned the bodies of people who die of whatever plague is coming through or the places that have the least death those who continued their standard burial processes making out with corpses kissing foreheads and hands yet. Those are the ones that die. I'm sorry also laughing my head off. Zombie base Fresno bishop joseph brennan of the dialysis of fresno is urging catholics to quote. I try not to try to maintain joyful spirit. So i don't like to ran on anyone's parade but i'm going to rain on prayed today. The vaccine parade. No boy some of the vaccines that are nearing emergency. Use authorization were developed using fetal stem cells. I mean it's one of those things where most people are desperate enough that they're going to back away from the antibac- stuff but there's always gonna be somebody there to bring it back up so he's encouraging catholics to not get those shots. Yeah never mind the fact that these cells have been cloned for. How many years now from the seventies i mean. They're not like fresh baby. Sells it no. Yeah no my god so this is stupid. It is stupid. It's it's well. It's just coopting on covid to push another agenda. It is but okay now so on the on the one hand. I applaud him for being consistent with sticking to his guns right. Yeah it that's not a popular thing to say it's a different would be a difficult thing for anybody to say in the middle of a pandemic when it's the way out and so kudos to him for saying that on the other hand that is bullshit is my brother. Said he couldn't get a flu shot because it used eggs and so flu shots aren't begin. Yeah that's fucking bullshit man grudges people. This is why thanksgiving at home is going to be a blessing this year for conservatives who are concerned about the likes of facebook and twitter being having such a strong liberal bias and all this anti-conservative bias they can leave and go to parlor parlour not good not good people already has senators rand paul and ted cruz This is despite the fact that not only do facebook and twitter not have conservative biases. The facebook and twitter are both bending over backwards to go as easy on conservatives as they can without letting their platforms become even more of dumpster. Fires than they already are parlor is designed to be the opposite of that where the end all of dumpster fires. Yeah unless you happen to be a liberal or they're handing you kansas gasoline unless you happen to be a liberal when you show up on. They're trying to Troll the the conservatives in which case you'll get banned quickly so they're safe space. Yeah if you hear anybody drop anything about parlor just don't know that's all we got for news. Oh there was one interesting thing. The top judiciary democrat. Sheila einstein feinstein. She's agreed to step down because of the way because of her handling of Barrett's a nomination dianne feinstein dianne feinstein. Yes She was seen hugging. Lindsey graham after her confirmation she was not the sh- this it was basically every democrats. Fear is that the democrats were going to be strong enough. There weren't going to be aggressive enough. And she was exactly that she was being civil and was trying to do things the old way and republicans. Don't do that anymore. So being friends with your enemies doesn't get you anywhere. I think she's recognized that the field is different. A different game now so she's stepping down. Yeah su- bad is too little too late kind of thing but We'll see we'll see what happens is judiciary system in the next couple of years back I am sorry that. I keep being week behind on feedback. It's not intentional. But it keeps happening. He actually mentioned facebook in this episode. That's a i will not i but it's been a that's been a hard one to keep up on so in response to last week's episode we got on youtube viva europe viva usa. God bless trump fever lump. Why are you. Mp a keying air that spell check didn't take we have trumpster listener or or somebody random comment or on youtube. I'll probably I can't imagine if you if you don't at least somewhat lean towards the policies that we we see spout out on this show that you can stand listening to us so we're pretty left wing liberal socialists. You know all the bad words. So that wasn't real feedback even around like that. Yeah so there was all caps. A two hole keying errors. Three hilarious keying errors. Has that's a troll. Definitely a y. Instead of a t for the first trump you period s comma a comma. Okay so somebody angrily pounding on the keyboard and moving on or pretending to pound on the keyboard. That's all right. We'll move on as well. Yes from the newer. Hi dustin and lauren loved the show great hearing about denmark even though not the positive make news by welcomed idaho. My name is finn nielsen. I'm a faroese in southern jutland denmark. Though i haven't gone through the entire backlog yet i have been binging for a while and He's a atheist and a podcast editor. Nice so then. Thank you for the message. Destined had to give me a bit of a lesson on geography. And i my. My world is bigger now because of it. That is pretty cool that we have a listener. Who lives in denmark. Who's from the faroe islands. 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Thursday 7/11/19 - Economic Crisis In Venezuela
"All Right Bank today is Thursday July eleven seven eleven slurpee. I'm not a big slurpee guy I got to say. I'm not sure that I've ever had slurpy. That's I mean. I don't think I have that's crazy yeah. I'm not against them. I've had slush us. I'm not sure if I've had a seven eleven slurpy very similar not only though slow slushies have like a little bit more ice to feel the ice going through I do like it'd be nice on a day like today. It's very ninety two so yeah Chicago Dog walkies them. It's chief chief chief. What else is going on? Besides you never having a fucking seven eleven slurpee in your life yeah. I mean you'll where else it's probably pretty hot. Where's that Venezuela yes so that's what we're talking about? Today's Venezuela <hes> Wilson contrary us a cubs catcher kind of speech about kind of the problems that are going down there. I mean listen. We've been so ingrained with people from Venezuela in Chicago and Major League Baseball if you're a fan of baseball you know there's so many big names caller soprano is again there you the list goes on and on a l.. Cabrera Jose altuve not literally can go on and on and it just turns out that we got into a conversation about the country and what's going on down there a couple of weeks ago and it's pretty damn crazy and I was unaware of it so obviously the way this kind of show is if if you know one of us are unaware of wow you know what maybe more people should know about this. That's kind of how we go. Shell I'll let you kind of set the stage and everything that's going on. Yeah and I was kind of in the similar position you where it's like every time you put on the news or open a website. There always seems to be like something going on in Venezuela but it's like it's down in Venezuela like who the fuck knows what's going on the more you dig into. It and I've watched some youtube. I've read some articles. It is shocking so I think we'll just kind of like set the stage with some facts give people a little background on the country itself at. Did you know that they have the largest oil reserves in the world. Now you're watching a video I knew but so it's more than even Saudi Arabia and the significant significant amount more so Saudi Arabia's got like they have like two hundred sixty thousand million barrels like that's how they quantify it so it's like it's in the billions of barrels. They're the most Venezuela's we've got over three hundred thousand this resource rich country. They've got all this. I used to be classified as a richest country in all of Latin America and then you fast forward to present times they can't get any food. They got runaway away. <unk> hyperinflation people are dying in hospitals from all kinds of like simple things that nobody should die out including starvation. It is a chaos state. The people are protesting trying to overthrow the government the governments cracking back down it is it makes me appreciate this ability of living in America where you know you can go down the street and get a sandwich and will cost you three bucks. You could live in a place and you could get a ninety nine cent slice of pizza yeah so and that's maybe that's a good place to start so just to kind. You've outlined to give you an idea of how much the economy has collapsed over their their unit of currency is called a Bulevar if you bought a million dollars of your currency trader and you bought a million U._S. dollars worth of boulevards in twenty thirteen. Eighteen million dollars that's now worth two dollars and fifty cents. That is the most absurd thing it's fucking crazy okay and it's in that is what happens with hyper inflation so again similar situation if you bought a cup of coffee in twenty sixteen this is how bad it's gotten in just the last three years it would cost you four hundred and fifty boulevards that Same Cup of coffee today seven million boulevards okay which is roughly the equivalent to fifty cents okay that is in U._S.. Currency so that's what seven million bolivars will get you so there's just nobody even using their own money because they know it's worthless so if you get your hands on some you're not really just putting it in the bank because the bank just disappears. It's not worth anything you'll go out and get yourself a thing of laundry detergent hopefully some food. Maybe some light bulbs. You'll do like and then hold out. You'll hoard those things and then hope to be like Oh man I need. Some eggs is to eat. I'll trade you a cup of laundry detergent or a thing of soap for eggs because money in that country is worthless. Even though they've got all of this oil there's other country's currencies worked you know like did you see anything on that. What do you mean like if there's like like American yeah so that that's probably the number one thing people would try to trade for? It's hard to do so ideally if you have you know so you fall into a million bolivars somehow you would love to trade that for two dollars and fifty cents of U._S.. Currency because that will hold its value the best so that's that's very hard to do obviously so more it's becoming more and more common among the among common Venezuelans is to literally just like they were operating on a on if you're in Caracas or one of these Peop- in one of these cities you're just operating on a barter system so you're you might get your money and you'll immediately go down to store to get some like actual goods so you can live your life whether it's advil or you know things like that and you'll just hoard it and then in the hopes that you'll be able to trade it for bread or rice or butter something that you need to like cook as those things become available because it's just so so scarce and this is skyrocketing crime murder rate is at an all time high. It's up near like some of the highest <hes> in the world <hes> in Caracas now and their major cities they terrible terrible crime <hes> and it's you know it's the government is involved in that. They're arresting journalists. They're having some journalists have been murdered. If you speak out against the government the government you know they have these protesters answers there. Some protesters have been killed. It is a crazy situation on there and laying out the facts. Is there anything else you want to get into before. We really talk about how this came to be. How did this happen yeah? I would say that this is not a political podcast so just don't interpret but it that way we're gonNA try to lay it out as clear as we can without you know and we have no ties to their so it's really are on the ground floor of what's going on right. It's not it's not in the least bit so right so that that's you know don't at us with all your you know well we know is what we read literally on the news you video so yeah and these are these are incontrovertible facts. You know you could argue about how they got there. But the the way the situation is now is fucked and you know that's just what we want to talk about. Is it is it is shocking that a country could have this much in natural resource wealth and be a complete chaos or you. Can't you have children dying in record numbers in two thousand seventeen and part of twenty eighteen dean of starvation in hospitals so the government combated that by saying you're no longer to allowed to report the cause of death as starvation so they they eradicated that problem by just being like you can't classify death that way. That's the fact factor you through our shocking holy Shit right. You hear they're taking away. Death causes because to fit their narrative for P._R.. Base for P._R.. That's yeah so they have no food and and we can get into how they got get to that point now because it is it's really like twenty years story starting in Nineteen Ninety eight to where we are now and how things have just gotten so out of control all right. Let's get to it. Let's pause real quick before we get any of that. Let's talk about J._p.. Grazziano J._p.. GRAZIANO DONALD SHOPS and I don't want to rush Randolph chief. You're due for a visit over there. I am do for visit so we recorded a red line yesterday or two days ago and Dave walked in with J._p.. Grozny onnell's and open it up and it was you know the sense since the oils the meets the bread. That's smells hit your nose. You watch him just like salivating here across the table so their sandwiches are legitimately the best in the city. Yeah they're awesome. Go check them out ninety one restaurant off like I said J._p.. GRAZIANO DOT com enter the code dog GUAC on there you get ten percent off on pick ups and deliveries yeah so that's a nice little perk there. When you go there to pick up or maybe your order and when you go to the back of their sale at MRS G Tiller Center you get an extra punch on your sub card so you'll get that free sub sooner tapie? Graziano is the best job in the city all right so let's talk about. How did we get here yeah? I think a lot of people are probably at least familiar with the name Hugo Chavez at of that name ring a bell to you it does yes because he's a he's been a controversial figure that he's been kind of at odds with the U._S.. Government <hes> but he was a wildly popular candidate and he just got elected in a free and democratic election back in nineteen ninety eight so he's a charismatic guy. Hi Man of the people that he had attempted to overthrow the government Venezuela in the nineties but it failed so then he just did it the old fashioned way and just got elected in nineteen ninety eight so when he got elected the promise. Was You know we have all this wealth but it's not really going to the people they had despite having these oil reserves. You still had extreme a lot of extreme poverty in Venezuela so he was going to come in said. Hey you know we're gonNA. We're GONNA make sure that there's a more diverse economy. An economy that shared him by more people and you know he had these grand plans and they were going to kind of get away from oil was the strategy that was in nineteen ninety eight and then and in two thousand four the oil prices just took off insane like one hundred dollars a barrel right exactly so what was it before for conscious was like seventeen dollars a barrel right so between I think it got maybe as low as nine. Like as a media that might have been for a day so I think the normal normalization of that price of oil around the time he got elected was between fifteen and twenty dollars a barrel so now he's like fuck like we're rich like we're we're rich so as soon as that started happening he starts taking trips to Cuba to talk about how to do these nationalization programs so they started giving away all kinds of goods and services because they're they're essentially cash rich because because of the skyrocketing oil prices and then they're able to borrow a ton of money on the promise of these oil reserves so they had they had both capital and then hard cash on hand so now you have you know unbelievable schools or you know they have schooling for everybody. You have free healthcare you have all kinds of goods and services that are extremely expensive and they also created a ton of government jobs that were funded by the oil but also the borrowing so they borrowed a ton the money to pay for all these social programs and things were kind of going okay with the exception of the United States started putting sanctions on them Kinda because they were cozying up to Cuba and some of these other more socialist countries trees that were at odds philosophically with the United States so they had some sanctions put on them but you know I would say the people were generally happy and you know depending on what reports you read. When Chavez was elected reelected? I should say for the third time in two thousand twelve. They said that poverty was cutting cut in half poverty rates extreme poverty was cut by seventy percent so again like that this time like you if you read articles from other other papers outside the United States which I found those stats in the Guardian from back in two thousand twelve there were Kinda con- you know there's controversies about about Chavez how how good Venezuela was doing and then you you know what he was doing to the people at that same time he was also he bought the largest bank okay so now instead of having this private bank that was you know taking risks. Probably the right way was owned by this company. It was a Spanish on company company. He bought us now. The banks nationalize any type of private agriculture telecommunications oil gas all were Kinda just either bought or seized by the government as a means of giving back to the people so they created like almost fake jobs for people to have and they're able to fund that through the borrowing and everything's going great because now people have income but it's all fake. It's like running up a credit card then the oil prices kind of fall out from under well we should stop Chavez it gets reelected in two thousand twelve and drives dead from cancer in two thousand thirteen so he built up all this massive massive debt on the backs so on the back of oil and then really focus the economy promised diversified he didn't do any of that so they weren't able to really have anything produce in their own country Venezuela with the exception of oil and they're. <unk> using all this money from oil because they own the government owned anything they were in charge of importing all the goods needed for the people whether it's food medicine any clothing automobiles everything was produced outside the country and brought in and by the government and a little background to ninety five percent of their exports was oil right so it was pretty much the sole income of right and it did it wasn't always that way like they were starting to like you know they should have more things. It's a great country. <hes> AH geographically located it's tropical. You could be a great vacation spot. It has places for agriculture they they should be you would think with all the money from oil that they should be able to have almost like Dubai situation but in America America or in in Latin America at least I know Dominican Republic has its problems now like especially at Tori and everything people are going to put for vacation in Mexico Mexico has oil to like you. Could you could have other things and they just never did so essentially just to kind of break down very simply yeah. This guy was just he was flush with oil flush. This was it he was taking control of everything he was. He was loaning money to the people loaning money to countries because the order no he was taking he was getting loans from other places all okay so because he's like why not let's build this. We're sitting on this. This you know scrooge mcduck level of wealth here in in the form of oil I will be fine and and then when he dies and never have to deal with any of the problems that he really created but his hand picked successor was his guide Nicholas Maduro who probably not the most qualified and they're you know they're we're starting to be dissensions all the way back to twenty twelve <hes> when he got when Chavez got elected again there were stories about election fraud and I don't know if you remember what Jimmy Carter like went down there and was like no like this is great so then everybody in America Erica or a lot of people in America were like Jimmy Carter like what's he doing like siding with Hugo Chavez dictator. WHO's you know stealing private businesses or strong arming people into like nationalising these private businesses so it was it was like a contentious time and but he was still considered somewhat popular Madero he gets into he gets into office in two thousand thirteen gets essentially they re elected in a special election in two thousand fourteen bang oil drops so you know what a drop down to chance the lowest it dropped down to was back to like? I it's dropped by fifty percent from the high so I think it's it was at ninety. Something I think the lowest price of God's if I remember correctly was around thirty one dollars a barrel but again normalized probably around fifty fifty two dollars a barrel but you know if you have all this outstanding debt you have sanctions on you to who you can actually export your oil to now the sudden like you. Oh you the money's not coming in anymore so you have all these promises. Do we get it here in the U._S.. Do we get what well I don't believe we get we get most of our oil from Canada. Actually has the third largest reserves it goes. Does that go goes Wale a Saudi Arabia Canada so yeah we get a lot of oil from way out in Alberta where people are like you know people like to Canada. They don't even know that they're they're fucking. That's a big time partnership huge partnership yeah yeah sorry so back to what you were saying so this guy's in power now this guy's in power now and it's like Oh fuck. Everybody hates him. Everybody hates them because now all those all those goods and services that were given in promised by Chavez that were funded by oil and foreign money in the terms of loans has now all dried up so now you went from having free healthcare to do if something does happen to you and you have to go to the hospital. Bring Your own light bulb because the hospital can't even afford light bulbs individual rooms yes so they just you know they're just out of money. All the hospitals are broke. <hes> and you know people are dying. People are starving. The average Venezuelan lost twenty four pounds in twenty eighteen Dan. That's because there's just no food that's horrible. You see these images of of old people children all kinds the people just literally picking up like rotting food out of the trash and trying to like pick out likes like get try to get one hundred calories out of the trash so they can continue to live but people are literally starving to death. They're and it's just because there's no food wow that's <hes> government is in charge of importing. That's terrible. That's really terrible but you know we're coming to the end here. Is there anything like what what's happening to fix this. Is there anything you wanted to get to beforehand. Yeah I mean it seems like there's no real end in sight so Madero has has really made some power moves starting in two thousand fifteen he basically kicked out everybody on the Supreme Court and replace them with like people loyal to him basically to strip congress of their power so now there's a new National National Assembly which is their Congress which is Kinda loyal to Madero the military's loyal to him but you have millions of people protesting <hes> throughout the streets and you know you see it every day and it's like you look at it and it looks like like a Blackhawks Championship parade but as people like begging begging you know trying to overthrow their own government so they can maybe have a way to eat so you have this other guy and blanking on his name right now but he's just like named himself the president and he's like with the people who are marching but Madero at the same time <music>. I'm refuses to leave and it's just like this clash with seemingly no real end in sight so he's making power plays. The people are all against them now like we said that the poverty rate had been cut by seventy percent now. It's estimated that ninety percent of Venezuelans live in poverty so for a country that has all this incredible seeming seemingly natural wealth just right underneath their feet. Nobody has access to it so they can't and it's the country is complete disaster now yes. That's that's too bad man yes. That's it really hits you bad. It's a nat- international crisis and I feel like it's not getting enough attention because I think if people knew maybe there would be. I don't know more more done more U._n.. Intervention.
Why Venezuela's Military May Be Standing By Maduro, For Now
"Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Comcast business having the nation's largest gig speed network was just the start. Now, they're providing gig fueled apps and solutions that exceed expectations and help businesses perform Comcast business beyond fast. Let's go to South America. Now. Venezuela begins another day with two presidents as we've been reporting the leader of Venezuela's legislature. One Guido says he is president under the constitution, replacing nNcholas Maduro, but the president who kept office through a disputed election still has the military on his side and is going nowhere. John Otis reports the US into growing list of foreign governments. Now, consider one white oh to beat Venezuela's new president. Why you do who had been the head of congress took the oath of office Wednesday before a huge crowd of supporters who also called on Maduro to step down Modesto has led Venezuela into hyper inflation and food shortages, but was sworn in for another six-year term this month after an election widely considered a sham the opposition claims that backing from the military is the only reason why muddle is still in power, and they are betting that the emergence of Guido will erode the support. So far they've been disappointed. When I go to go on the heat them up. Not even as much and dancing. Every is you Lanka's model models defense minister, Vladimir poverty, no declared that the armed forces would continue to back model as the country's legitimate president. It is my opinion that lease through two thousand nineteen we want to see my remain in power backed by the military, which is a crucial element here. That's Bruce Bagley of Venezuela's scholar at the university of Miami. He says the military has often served as Venezuela's ultimate powerbroker. The late socialist leader, Hugo Chavez, gave vast powers to military officials a trend that has accelerated under my doodle today. Officials run everything from food distribution to the vital oil industry. Critics contend that some officers make millions through drug trafficking and other shady deals a ton of industries where military officers at opportunity to make money. That's Evan Ellis. Professor at the US army war college. He says that many officers stick by Maduro because they fear prison or extradition for their crimes should the opposition. Take power rather than pushing for a traditional coup the opposition could lobby officers to simply stay in the barracks and allow street protests against Maduro to build so says Frank Mata who heads the Latin American and Caribbean center at Florida international university. Has to give them a reason to at least withdraw support from the government, which in a sense do they coulda wound-care at now being offered to the military is amnesty as less points out. Why though is promising to pardon officers who abandoned Maduro and joined the opposition. Especially the amnesty. It lets you say, hey, if I leave the unit that goes over to the other side, I will get to keep my stolen money and all the things that I've done will be cleansed, and I'm orig- as the democratic hero so far. However, there have been few cracks and military solidarity counterintelligence agents have reportedly squashed several rebellions before they could even be launched. That's why in Venezuela's battle of the president's analysts say that Maduro continues to hold the upper hand for NPR news. I'm John Otis.
"And Cuanto Larrocha, either as the challenge willa suicide contest, cement Asensio Dan, Robbie those issues there west as honest Dallas with respect to her roic and hapless Venezuela. The Vince, there have moved so rapidly. And the devastation has been such that it is reduced to frightful desolation and almost absolute indigence. Nevertheless, it was once a month, the fairest regions that are the pride of America, the CNN, Gujral, America. Simone believe our September six eighteen fifty. Breaking news tonight, sources telling FOX business, thousands of separate demonstrations will be held tomorrow in Caracas. He's desperate stuff Venezuela's capital has no power to pump wolves dozens of Venice. Wayland waiting for food. Millions of people are expected to pour into the streets and a broad sweeping show of anti Madurai of protests crisis in Venezuela is getting worse. You're listening to through line from NPR will we go back in time to understand the present? Hey, I'm rounding Arab Louis I'm Ron. And on this episode the story of two leaders in Venezuela separated by nearly two centuries that shape the country into what it is today. Venezuela is facing an economic and humanitarian crisis. A lot of the country is an extreme poverty with no food in the supermarkets very little gas at the pumps, blackouts almost daily and the currency. Now pretty much worthless. In fact, things have gotten so bad that more than three million people have fled the country in recent years, making matters worse. The political situation is also really confusing because as of January twenty third Venezuela has two men, claiming the president's on that day, an opposition leader named Lana, though declared himself, the legitimate president in opposition to the country's elected president nNcholas Maduro and adding to the confusion is the fact that many countries including the US are now recognizing why though as Venezuela's president, but my doodle still has many supporters including Venezuela's military, and he's holding his ground. The question is how did a country that was once the richest? In South America and up here as we started looking into this question it quickly became clear that Venezuela's problems began way before the standoff between Mobuto and white, though. It goes back to Mobuto's predecessor, Hugo Chavez, what happened with muddle cannot be isolated from what happens under will populist politics, socialism and zone personality. Cult with blowtorch rhetoric eighty gone what job is, is far from forgotten job is created the regime that Maduro is struggling to control to understand my doodle. And the current situation, you have to understand Jarvis. But then we asked what motivated Java's and what historical forces brought him to power and the answer to that question takes us back to win. Venezuela was created and a man named Simone or lever in the early eighteen hundreds believe are helped free a bunch of countries in South America from Spanish, colonial rule. Earning him, the Nick. Name Libertad dot the liberator. His mythical story is at the core of Venezuela story. It's been used again and again, by leaders as legitimizing force, go Chavis was just the latest among these leaders Java is even named his movement, the boulevard and revolution, their stories, Chavez and belieber and the rise and followed them, Venezuela. They ruled over are strikingly similar an offer a window into the soul of a country that's been a revolutionary cycle for centuries now. Support for this podcast comes from REI co op as do the following questions where do you see yourself in five miles? What does silence sound like can bear spray help you sleep? What's the easiest version of climbing a mountain dew mosquito spun me attractive REI can help you find out for yourself with gear classes, and eighty one years of outdoor experience. Learn more at REI dot com. It's nineteen sixty five a white minister is murdered in some Alabama. But no one is held to account more than fifty years later. We return to the place where it happened to call ally, ally and finally solved this murder white lies from NPR new episodes dropped Tuesdays. Part one rise of the Phoenix. Some believe that on his deathbed in eighteen thirty Simone believe ours. Final words where dammit, I will I ever get out of this. Labyrinth. In the early hours of July sixteenth, two thousand ten at the northern edge of the old town of cut across Venezuela's capital, Ugo Chavis set out to free believe I from what shabas had in the past called lies. Chavez and on the dome, you won't even they tell us the bully VAR left government, because he was sick with tuberculosis lies lines of lives. Chavis suspected foul play and wanted to check for himself. Whether believe are actually died from Turkey losses or something more sinister, like poison. So he decided to exhume the body of believe are there's a whole lot of theater built around this moment, journalist Rory Carroll was there to witness it. I was the guardians, Latin America correspondent two thousand six until two thousand twelve based in Caracas Venezuela. No. This being recorded live on national television. Benny solano's. Yes. By newest restaurant deliver our Simone believer in to the TV because this had been built up as the moment when the, the boulevard and revolution reconnect with its namesake beyond symbolism, that this is where the two bodies, the political body and the actual body of the revolutionary leader here, and the revolutionary leader, then aren't going to connect. This is Alexandra Velasco. He grew up in Venezuela. And is now an associate professor of history at New York University. So with the country, looking on the entourage of politicians soldiers and scientists arrives at the national pantheon decked out in white lab coats, hairnets and ventilation masks, they enter a room with a casket in the middle of the official a the in into the woman to a handful of them than step towards the casket and lift up the lid, Venezuelan flag covers the remains after neatly folding up the flag, they removed the final layer and there it is a skeleton, the skeleton of Simone will leave our. Chavez sucks into the camera. And you could tell that there's a physical reaction of goosebumps. Call it something happening there. And he's giving the live commentary as the workers are digging up the, the crypt and his voice goes into this weird. Can I guess? Var then that's spins door Audubon, viral feeling the spirit of what do you add creeping into him? He's humming. It up so much. I mean, it was funny but it was surreal it was creepy, but the, the coming of the liberator back into a certain kind of life, forget the Truman show. This was the, the Hugo Chavez show. Only cook coconut, Phoenix on many guys. Dan, tell somebody might get on this. Electricity. But as Venezuelan somebody who grew up in Minnesota, and you know, had stories field trips to what dealers childhood home going to sites of believers battles in, in Minnesota. I couldn't help but be also moved by that moment. Sure it was really good political theater. But scientifically, it was inconclusive after the cameras were turned off. They packed believe our backup and Chavez. Excitedly tweeted, yes tweeted to the world, my God. My god. I confess we have cried we have sworn this glorious skeleton must be believe, are because you can feel his ardor rise up Simone as it's not time to die immediately. I remembered. That Bulevar lifts. Eighteen three and a young Simone believe our stands at his wife's deathbed looking at our for the last time, the love of his life Marieta. What happens that day in eighteen three which change believe ours? Life in South America forever. But first, let's go back to the beginning to where his story started. Boulevard grew up in Cuttack us in a really wealthy family, one of the richest families in Latin America, it owned tobacco fields owned indigo fields may also own slaves, despite that massive wealth will leave us early years weren't all that easy. His father died when he was very young. His mother died, not long after that. So by age nine he was an orphan. This is Marie Arana. She's written a bunch of books on Latin America, including the biography boulevard, American liberator. So believe are now orphaned was passed around from relative knotty. He didn't like the company of the aristocrats he'd rather play in the fields with the slaves, and he did. He was basically rootless really until one of his uncles said will okay let's send you to Madrid so you can get some manners. He goes to Madrid, and it's there that he meets his future wife Maria Theresa, like boulevard. She also came from credit family, and in the way that these things happened at the time, it wasn't so much that it was pre-arranged, but that they the reports of, of Creole elite Krio is a term for people of mixed European and afro Caribbean descent, both believe are Maria, Theresa were from the upper class so they rolled in the same social circles, and they sprung a romance that by all accounts was very. Genuine. They got married returned to Venezuela, settled into a life on believe ours, family, plantation, and began the rest of their life together all in all they were happy, but less than a year after their wedding. She became ill camera. Exactly what? With yellow fever. That's right. Yellow fever, mom. But it struck her very rapidly. And so she died, very quickly after boulevard was left devastated. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. He was destroyed some historians believe if Maria Theresa had not died, believe our might never have gotten involved in the fight for independence believe are himself said he said he you know, if she hadn't died, he would have been very successful landowner, he would have, you know, potted around his properties and, you know, had children and had a very, very much the same sort of life that his father, his grandparents great grandparents at had a relatively quiet life in the country. But having just lost his wife believe our began to search for new purpose in life. So fast forward a few years believe ours down. Paris still depressed, over the loss of his wife, still searching for a clear path forward drinking lot womanizing. While there he witnessed a rebellious fervor taking over France. This was the era of the French revolution of the holy in of liberty equality fraternity. Meanwhile the fight for independence was ramping up in Venezuela at that time, Venezuela, and most of South America was still a colony of the Spanish empire the coincidence of history and personal tragedy and Larder history is significant because this was also right around the time that Francisco that meet on who was the principal architect of a vision of liberation for Venezuela was trying desperately to rile up the lead to declare dependence and keep in mind boulevard was from one of the most elite families and Venezuela eventually he does. The team up with Francisco de Miranda, but initially boulevard, not all that central to this movement. His initial role was primarily as the Syon of Creole your lead. Family very much on the sidelines. Basically, he has money and his presence is good PR for the movement. In eighteen ten believe our status suddenly changes. He maranda staging uprising against the Spanish and catching the Spanish off guard. Take cutback us. Venezuela, formally declares independence in eighteen eleven but then in eighteen twelve a massive earthquake hits Venezuela and Spanish priests convince superstitious population that the earthquake was divine retribution. So the Spanish or able to rally their troops recapture important ports and take back control the country amid all this chaos something unexpected happens. Bulevar along with a few rebel generals figure out that Miranda has been trying to broker a deal with the Spanish and the war, effectively undermining the revolution disgusted by this betrayal boulevard decided that they should hand Miranda over to the Spanish and in exchange. The Spanish agreed to let believe Argo, but he's banished from Venezuela, and sent into exile. The revolution has been shut down for the moment. But by singling him out the Spanish, help manufacturer, a new image of believe are as the natural replacement from Aranda. Here's this tiny man. He weighed all of a hundred twenty pounds. He had no chest to speak of. He was spindly. He wasn't a sort of an accident of history. This guy does. Now the face of the revolution. But it turns out believe are actually had the traits of a serious leader. He would walk into a room and larger taller people would be dwarfed really by his presence, because he was so dynamic friendly, the sort of warm personality that, that inspired people after this. I fail revolution boulevards no longer on the sidelines. He's now at the center of the movement, and their his desire for change will only intensify. February the fourth nineteen Ninety-two and normal programming on Venezuelan TV was interrupted by this unfolding story. It's nine hundred ninety two press conferences, announced very hastily TV crews microphones get position. And then out comes the president Carlos Andres betas, followed by the minister of defense. And then this man, none of us knew, and the president said other this is tenant Colonel, which is he has some words. And then he spoke for two minutes. Two minutes, actually a little less than two minutes point is not a long time before. I tell you what is said, in that speech. Let me first explain how he ended up there in roughly two minutes. Jarvis was born in nineteen fifty four. In a part of his will called Las Janas through quivalent of the, the US, wild west of these big rolling plains, when f six kids are very, very poor raised mostly by his grandmother. He was mystique Zo mixed race with African and indigenous roots. And by all accounts, a happy, outgoing kid with a wild imagination imbibing, the legends of headless horseman of love stories of the Cowboys of the planes. He had dreams of becoming a professional baseball player until reality Seddon in his early twenties. Java's joined the Venezuelan army, one of the fastest ways to move up the social ladder, while there, he got inspired by some leftist Latin American generals, who took a more reform approach to their societies in contrast with the right wing military dictatorships in much of. Atn America above all he was inspired by one guy seem Mon believer. They'll talk about that we wanna wait a minute, because there's a police siren going by, by the way, this is done for McCoy, she's a professor of political science at Georgia State University. Okay. I'm back Simone. Believer is Simone believer is a hero to Chavis someone. He saw as a real trailblazer, a champion for the people who uprooted the political order for most of the twentieth century, which was the backdrop for shabas life, the political order of Venezuela, was based around one thing oil was everything was under Maine's in Venezuela's everything because it's a economy, homes changes entirely on oil in the nineteen twenties. Venezuela became a major oil producer, Bakani boomed. And eventually, the oil industry was nationalized, Venezuela, seemed to be a beacon of stability and prosperity in a region. Otherwise ravaged by civil wars, and dictatorships to the fifties. Sixties. Seventies problem was most of that wealth was concentrated in the hands of a few at the top, and in the nineteen eighties oil prices began to drop and the economy began to decline the gap between rich and poor got bigger and corruption in the government was rampant. That's when Chavez began to think seriously about staging his own uprising. So he got a bunch of his friends in the military together and formed a group called the revolutionary boulevard in army determined to lift up the poor by spreading the oil wealth around and championing sort of deeper democracy for few years. They plotted planned and by nineteen ninety two the pieces were set they were going to overthrow the president of Venezuela. An attempted coups taking place on the streets of Caracas. Here's how it went down on the morning. February fourth five military units were dispersed across the country, their mission to take over key government posts, the defense ministry, the military airport, the military museum, the presidential palace and the national TV station where they plan to broadcast video on the part of China's another of the leaders of this movement calling on the population to rise up. I remember you know, my mother turning on the television, the main in the red berries of ripple. Paratroopers. Any of those things that you see in movies, like a grainy video of people in fatigues, speaking about the conditions of significant inequality that existed and that something has to change some of the military units quickly took control of a few large cities in Venezuela. But the unit led by Chavez the one that was supposed to take over the presidential palace in Caracas and arrest the president, but cou was the military Osco. He failed eventually they surrendered okay? Bizarre twist here, so Jarvis who failed in his mission is then chosen by the president to make a speech on national television, mainly because he was the rebel leader, who happened to be at the presidential palace right place. Right time. He is one of at least six or seven other people who could have taken up that role of prominent leadership and it falls on China's because he is given. Been airtime to tell all the other troops, who had actually been successful in their own tactical missions to lay down their weapons. This was supposed to be as punishment to go on TV and wave a white flag admit defeat for two minutes. I take responsibility for the failure of this project. And then he also said this barren movement, we were fighting for democracy. We haven't achieved it right now, but it's just over out our for the moment, which created the expectation that this was not the end. This was the beginning. When this outsider emerged first trying to stage a coup which failed, but then publicly recognizing that, that failure was his own accepting responsibility. That was something new for most Venezuelans this, Israel. Geico's he was a correspondent for the Wall Street Journal cacus from two thousand four to two thousand nine. So he became he became a star that was his thirty seconds of fame. That's when he burst onto the world stage, and that was all it took to completely alter the narrative of Venezuelan history. After giving the speech, Java's was escorted to jail, which only added his newfound stardom and so in failure. He nevertheless became the leader because of the circumstance another accident of history. Somebody else had been, you know, given that airtime. Maybe they would have been the ones to delete this movement and two largest that had also happened with what you at. Right in both cases, it was out of failure, and circumstance that, that propelled, their image, something larger, and then they can of road that image into bigger and better things. Well, not always better, but without a doubt, much bigger things were just around the corner for both of them. Support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Google veteran. 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Part two the iron hand so last, we heard of believe are he just been sent into exile, after a failed attempt at Venezuelan independence and it was during that time that believers revolutionary vision really took shape. Most people at the time they never got beyond like fifty miles radius, and he just traveled everywhere, certainly by by necessity. But also, you know, by choice boulevard spent a lot of time outside of his Walea organizing, new rebellions failing, and reflecting on what went wrong, and that burst rebellion the one that came so close to succeeding, those reflections lead boulevard, device, a whole new approach. I if you wanted to build up an army all types of people needed to be brought into the revolutionary fold, not just as Miranda have thought the Li the Creoles could yoyos aren't going to, you know, be the ones or charging into battle people are gonna be charging into battle. Are misdee- so mixed race peoples who can imagine themselves in better place in an independent system. It's slave for whom he subsequently promises liberty second boulevard decided that he would have to wage a different kind of war to stand a chance against the powerful Spanish army. He was one of the original guerrilla fighters because he, he was all about surprise and all about numbers. So even though you were naked in loincloth with a with a nothing but a stick, you know, if you had enough of those people, you could run over a battalion of, of, of, of Spanish with better armor and third bully by rethought his mission altogether. This can't be a struggle to liberate Venezuela. This has to be a much larger continental struggle. He imagined the South America under one flag, that would be democratic and inclusive of all the diverse people that lived in this wasn't just an effort to take power. It was. Supposed to bring a different kind of government one not just ruled by the elite, he called, this new vision of a United South America. Colombia. Great. Colombia. S one eight Agan USA. But then their photo of the dollar moon wherever Solon solving, which would bring together federation of independent republics, nevertheless United as want their idea, but confident, then it'll sort of oh, you're no carry on different styles. Gadget under former confederates him more and more people across South America began joining his cause. And with this army believe our began challenging Spanish troops in Venezuela, and neighboring Columbia, but it wouldn't be an easy path to independence Spanish were a force unbelievable force very, very violent and very organized military structure. But then in eighteen nineteen believers army marched towards Columbia and believe our new. They vowed a typical route the Spanish would defeat them again. So instead, he decided to take less predictable, but ridiculously dangerous route through the Andes mountains is Cole. Old. It's, it's rocky. It's mountainous don't easily pass through there. It's uncharted terrain hoping that the element of surprise would carry them to victory when these armies travel, and we need to remember this. It wasn't just soldiers. They traveled with they're women because the women were cooking for the men right on the battlefield. They were bringing their children. So you would have these great long trains and caravans of people going into war, which were like whole populations for weeks. This caravan of soldiers women and children trudge to the mountains. Some people got sick others died, but eventually the army arrived in Boca a town in central Colombia, about ninety miles from the capital Bogota. They come upon a battalion of Spaniards, who had not did not think that the levers are Megan comprised of these people would take that route and believers. Army won their first major victory volleyer needed a victory at the time to be able to turn the tide and to gain some momentum. And the Spanish finally began to look beatable no longer and invincible force. And within a couple of years, grunk Columbia was declared a reality as believe are set his sights on liberating the rest of Spanish, South America. And believe our became the first president of Grahn Columbia. Just seven years after China's attempted to overthrow the president of Venezuela. He was being sworn in himself. I'm giving out. Jim of. I'm sure you're wondering how this could have happened. I mean, this is the same guy who tried to undermine democracy. Not that long ago by staging a coup. Well, his Evelyn from coup stager to candidate really began while he was in jail during that time. Ben is willow was facing some serious problems. The party system that had been held up as solid and strong had now collapsed, then after that you had a tremendous banking crisis banks failed when that basically wiped out and savings that people had had, but mainly oil prices were dropping the poverty rate increased from about twenty five percent to about sixty five percent in the course of the nineteen nineties. So it was really difficult decade for them nothing like we're seeing today for sure. But at the time it was significant enough to. Create the sense that Venezuela can't continue the way that it's going into not that have had been prophetic, right? But Chavis to have predicted this economic and political turmoil in that two minute speech, he gave after the coup and many Venezuelans remembered, which allow Chavez's more to grow, even while he was in jail so much so that this new president that was elected in nineteen Ninety-three, one of his first acts was to pardon. So China's was was freed after two years in jail. But once out of jail Java's didn't embrace the spotlight right away. You know, tactically retreated from the public eye Cavs knew that a lot of is will ins were still skeptical of his motives, even if they liked his ideas, we really trust this guy. Does he actually mean what he says comes from the military after all, so Chavis decided to leave Venezuela, for a while a sort of self imposed exile? He traveled all around Latin America going to other countries, meeting, other leaders, this is Jennifer McCoy, again, in fact, that's when he met Fidel Castro that began a lifelong friendship with Fidel Castro, whom he later used to consider almost like a father. While on these travels Chavez was taking in new ideas looking at what was happening in Venezuela and begin to create a vision for what a political project what looked like he talked about a new constitution. He talked about a new form of democracy. He talked about an economy that would benefit, you know, bringing back the oil wealth, and that this would be a great magical trick, the he would turn the oil wealth and to a better life for everybody. So for the next couple of years, Chavez campaigned on that grand vision, and he appealed, especially to the lower and middle classes for support by nineteen ninety eight on the eve of the election. The country had two very different options for president Chavez's opponent and Rica solace, romance, who's older. You know, white man, you're clear European descent, from this elite, background or Chavis. Darker hued working class person who had actually, you know, had the gall to follow through on his particular government, and gone to jail for it after taking responsibility for Phil coup differences could not be starker between status quo, or radical change Yugosav is message just galvanized them, so they were ready for change. And he won with fifty six percent of the vote, and that sort of began the Chavis era. After boulevard, was named president of Grun Columbia. He and his army set out, biting battle after battle across South America, losing, some but winning many first liberating Columbia. Then Venezuela moves down to birds. Ecuador Peru was up next and that was the end. I mean that was the cutting of the throat of the Spanish colonies at that point. Believe I was appointed dictator of pedal, and went on to liberate Panama, and even as a country named after Bolivia. So now, the Spanish gone, South America was free from colonial rule, and boulevard was victorious he was looking out on a massive diverse army of followers with the world seemingly at his feet, and even though the continent was scarred by years of fighting. It was a hopeful moment grand Columbia. Could now be fully realized in theory vision that he had going into the revolution was not the reality had coming out, so, yes, his moment of triumph happens, but it's very short-lived. He was all about the rights of man liberty number one equality, very close their upon. But then when he actually got into the reality of that hierarchy that Spain had built so carefully and had kept this little crust on top. It was a mess. It turns out while boulevard was busy liberating all those countries that little crust on top the Creole elite the group, he himself was a part of how grow more and more angry with him. Not only in Venezuela, but throughout South America, resentful of what the independence move a have become and concerned about what their positions would be in his new order plus boulevard face another challenge. He had brought together all these different people. Former slaves Cowboys from the plains, indigenous people, and now he had to figure out how to get them all to follow the same rules. He would ride from town to town from city to city. Setting up institutions establishing universities. Once the revolution was over at what would happen is the moment, he wrote away, things would fall apart. So he became more and more convinced that the only way you're going to be able to rule these unruly people was to really have a strong iron hand cracks. Reforming believe ours dream of democratic Penn South American state, and he decided the only way to achieve is ultimate goal to make sure things got done the way he envisioned was to consolidate power in his own hands. Famously will you are said if nature stands against us, we will defeat her as well. Destiny is in our hands against any force real imagined or a theory. Day, one of Ugo China's presidency. He had like eighty five percent popularity. He had business owners supporting him all the way down to the poor. So it was it was quite widespread, again Jennifer McCoy. And I think that was largely because people could make what they wanted to out of his promises with all this public support Chavez, hit the ground running. He went all in on his believe our fandom. He cultivated himself as a twenty first century Simone believer. He even renamed the country. The bully Varian Republic of Venezuela, and he started changing the rules of the game. The most immediate one was to get rid of the old constitution. The new constitution was really a mix of progressive human rights and at the same time giving more power to the president, it extended the term to six years eliminated, the, the bicameral, congress and crew. Needed a national assembly people didn't pay too much attention to the new constitution. But then Chavez started talking about oil talked about the, the nation's resources would be the primary source of revenue and wealth for the for the nation through build itself. And people did take notice for Travis oil was the key to establishing boulevards vision for Venezuela. But the more he talked about redistributing the oil wealth and shaking up the oil industry. The more enemies he made that was the. Primary and initial battle that Venezuelan society split on in the early years of the is era. What is the oil industry, who does it serve, and how is it going to be controlled pretty soon? The widespread support Chavez started out with began to fade. Sure, he still had support among the lower class, but the upper class, the people who profited off of the old system. Were nervous about what this new setup would mean for them Java's continue to consolidate more and more power, especially over the country's oil. And in April of two thousand two he faced a dramatic who attempt violence broke out. The military tried to get rid of him, and another guy was installed as president. But then Chavez supporters took to the streets, and within two days, Chavez was back in power. When he comes back, though, he is very shaken by this because he, he didn't know what was going to happen to him. He didn't know if he was going to be killed or put in jail the rest of his life or what was going to happen, despite that fear Chavez didn't try to win over the people who had just attempted to get rid of him, the opposition or even to extend an olive branch quite the opposite. Now was a sense of Cates on. Over the course of the next few years, Chavez, would seek to consolidate more and more power from now, on, like believe are he would rule with the strong iron hand? Support for this podcast. And the following message come from mayo clinic when you're looking for advice, you and your family can trust. And you want support from people who can give you the certainty you need. You know where to go mayoclinic? Find out more at mayo clinic dot org slash answers. Part three. I president. It's August two thousand seven Sunday. An Travis is getting ready to host his weekly talk show, though, resident day. And I should say this show was defining feature of job as presidency. He would get on TV every Sunday, and it was like this variety show. He talk interview people sing songs. There were dancer, sometimes it was kind of weird, and he could go on for hours, his guests this week, journalist Rory Carroll is actually on a beach way at in the sticks on a really hot day. Dusk plunked in the sun and as the show opens. Chavis invites worry to ask him anything. And so I asked him, why was he preparing to have a referendum to get rid of limits on presidential terms, which busy opened the door to him being potentially rooting for life? You know, the scores on live television is not is narrowed Radic theatrical way, you know, and then he turned to the audience, did you hear that what he said, then Chavis goes on a tirade tirade about me being an embodiment of European colonialism of European hypocrisy tied this to I the sins committed by by Columbus, and then the Spaniards, and then the British and the Royal Navy and I'm sitting there sweating because holiday have having showers for a bucket of rhetorical extra over my head and turning me into rhetorical football. And you know, it went on and on our one turns into to them three four. Five or six I think he came back to my question and did then he did actually answer it with using a metaphor. He said that the revolution was an unfinished work of art, and he was artist and he could not in good, conscience hand, the brush, over to another artist that he needed to finish after eight hours, the show finally comes to an end and backstage Java goes up to Rory friendly. Mecum shook hands his tone to me. It was like, hey don't, don't sweat. The fact attorneys you into imperial villain for a while. You know, it's a show that was Chavis nutshell a showman, a visionary and a salesman, someone who could put a bow and broken down car and convince you to buy it by this time, two thousand seven Java's had managed to consolidate power in almost every sector of society, the military. The government and oil, the price per barrel of oil when which I was elected in nineteen ninety eight was eight dollars at the height of his presidency in the price per barrel. Boy was one hundred fifty dollars. He was so fortunate to be an office during this incredible oil. Boom Java invested a lot of that oil money in social programs for the poor. He decided that the best way to help people was to create the social programs that were parallel to the established government institution herald institutions that he could have more control over in kind of squeezing, and starving, the others, that were more independent. So Chavis was spending a ton of money, but not actually strengthening any of the existing infrastructure in Venezuela. Instead, he funneled, all of it into these parallel institutions that spanned, everything from media. Ngos, universities healthcare. There is basically two of everything it was this mix of socialism and rampant. Consumerism point is thanks to the oil, boom, from two thousand five to two thousand twelve Venezuela was in a golden age people had more to eat more money in their pockets, better healthcare. Meanwhile, China's became more and more drawn to a pan-american vision, like believe are he start at the end game as United South America. He reached out to leaders throughout the region openly, criticized the United States. We saw as an obstacle because of its tendency to metal and stopped internal production in Venezuela, instead, importing products from other countries in Latin America, to boost their economies that decision was ideological one that derives directly from this Bulla berry and vision, but also a an economic one that's based on the idea that only United can we forge ahead as, as an independent. America and every week when Chavez one on TV and hosted his talkshow, he pushed that vision, bringing people on, like Rory Carroll a foreigner to us as sort of standing for the world order, that he hoped to overturn, plus he made it seem like the money would never run out like Venezuela would continue to be in the scolding age forever. Problem was that he probably underestimated how quickly corruption and mismanagement can destroy wealth and leave you worse than you were originally. So even as Chavez projected this confident, image, the reality was way more complicated. He still face a lot of opposition and all that money. He was spending was really starting to add up the bubble was bound to burst sometime among really centers story of travis's rule that he was a brilliant communicator, muster strategist, and. A terrible manager. They weren't saving for the rainy day. And when the rainy day hit they were in very bad shape. you have been witnessed efforts to establish freedom where tyranny previously rained, I have worked without the thought of personal gain sacrificing my fortune, even my peace of mind, I have been the victim of prosecutors who have driven me to the very threshold of microwave. After facing years of opposition and stalled progress believe ours vision of United, South America was fading, the cost of the revolution had been really high. All of this blood had been spent all of this incredible. Sacrifice home cities, wept off the map, but it turned out, picking up the pieces of that revolution was just as hard. Towards the end of his life believe are contracted to Bricusse, not only getting sicker, but there are whole forces that are that are against him. Angry about the extremely centralized government believe are has put in place, which consolidated all the power in his hands alone believe I was on thin ice across America, especially in Columbia and finally the ice broke, he then is literally run out of bullets and exiled from Columbia, because they've had enough of believe they don't want him anymore. They want their little pockets of turf. He has no friends, and he's penniless. He's a Popper at this point. He's given over all of his wealth on December tenth eighteen thirty belieber gave his final speech in Santa Marta. Colombia from there. He planned to take ship to an island about the rest of his life in exile. My final wishes for the happiness of the country. If my death contributes to the cessation affections. Consolidation of the union. I will step peacefully into the grave. One week later on December seventeenth. Eighteenth thirty believe our died unceremoniously and alone. No bells are rung, particularly nobody makes any eulogies soon after believers death in eighteen thirty in Columbia. Actually his name was banned believe our was remembered as a disgraced leader, a revolutionary turned tyrant. He loved much of South America disarray, with no clear plan for who would follow in his footsteps to lead all those countries. It ruled over then everything changes. Because everyone at that point begins to think oh by God. The revolution would not have been one, except for this ban, and he started this revolution, the sort of engagement with the believe our legacy begins at that point. So he became basically all things to all people leader after leader across South America. But especially in Venezuela invoked believe are using his legacy as a political tool, I think Chavez, understood very well, that would leave our could be deployed very malleable, because that was awesome. It ly- the legacy of William are for Minnesota politics to be this catch figure that could stand for many things simultaneously. You can go from what do you out of the nationalist to once we have a lot of oil, money and can project more broadly while you are the pen American. We can. Oh from boulevard, the participatory democrat to what you are. The no there's one leader here. And the leaders meet. Whether it's tickling babies or slamming opponents they're a few politicians in the world who can match you Shevess for the pulse, fourteen years, the Venezuelan president has been arguably the most charismatic and controversial leader in the world. But this may be his loss campaign in two thousand twelve Chavis was on the campaign trail running for third term in office. His work of art was not yet complete at one of his final rallies upwards of a million in the half two million peoples descend on the uncut Cass. And the great question is job is gonna show up. That's because China's had been really sick. He's diagnosed with cancer in two thousand eleven the crowd waited. And suddenly job is just to realize just that the time that he told rental downpour comes across good. I guess. Good, I guess, and charges walks up to the stage and just takes the rain in just Milne Braila. Right. Just as everybody is getting. So and he starts to like ends and to pretend that he's like Hamad. I Li like throwing jabs here and there. It's just like this. Almost ineffable moment of men that was otherwise in his seemed to be on his deathbed suddenly doing this act where he's not only showing performing this my tally. But once again, saying, I am one of you, China. They went on to win reelection in October of two thousand twelve but by December of that year, his health had gotten really bad. So he decided to hold a press conference tells the country, he's leaving for Cuba to get treatment. The prognosis is good and says, if he doesn't return. All of you to follow us, nNcholas Maduro, Mykola model comparison the public. The mother was in the chevette government throughout as deputy eventually, he became foreign minister than vice president. So he you know, he had a variety of roles was, was always present still mongo was no China's and the idea of anyone other than Travis leading the country seemed almost beyond comprehension for a lot of Venice. Whelan's cones core. Supporters hose, amongst the hardcore opposition. They couldn't accept them that he, he could die such a huge figure in Venezuela was colossus. He sucked up the jn done so for two decades. Lewis this sense of no. No. Are you talking about now? You're gonna come back. It's gonna be okay. How could we imagine a future Jovis job is at the helm, but a few months later sing. A what? Daughter, always Sinclar model. The provocative and unpredictable, strongman of Venezuela has died. John has died. The streets are filled with more crowds stretched over mile across the Venezuelan capital of Caracas. The country's says its final fed well to the leaves behind the divided nation and country in the grip of deepening political crisis. His Venezuela, Chavez left behind was about to enter a really dark time and his economic policies of the previous decade or so we're to blame mismanagement opened up the door to a huge amount of corruption and also hurt the private sector mainly the oil sector. He destroyed institutions, but did not do a good job at recreating institutions, and this is what people often say about revolutionaries. You have a disruptive leader coming in. They can destroy things in the name of change. But the same leader is not the one who can necessarily rebuild. He also left behind an almost mythical legacy making it hard for anyone to follow in his footsteps. And when we look at what's happening in Venezuela today under Mobuto, we can see the shadow of job as looming just believe ours has loomed over the country for centuries, one of the great paradoxes that are parallel to believe, is that there is no succession, no one can fill for your shoes, just as knowing conflictos in the common parlance of Minnesota's, you know, popular lingo, China has both Yoenis. He's an aircraft carrier he carries everything within it right? And so what happens when the aircraft carriers longer? They're all those planes, collapsed, the Lucien. Right. And so he's, he's. Understood by both foes and friends alike as a replaceable. That's for this week show. I'm routine Louis. 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"Happy Monday my little liberty lions and welcome to your favorite Libertarian podcast the original libertarian variety show lions of liberty before we get to they show. I want to tell you about something that's been going on recently. We have been demonetized T- monetize <hes> is on youtube that means we can't make a dime off our videos on Youtube. Just put a lot of time and money into making a lot of video interviews for you guys. Thanks to our support on patriotic of course you can join our patron at patriotair dot com slash lines of liberty but I want to tell you about another way you can fight back against the man and that's by purchasing some delicious coffee because we have an amazing coffee that we've partnered with anarchy coffee to create an it is called the morning roar and it is delicious. It is a medium dark roast and it is a fantastic way to start your day and start your week as you listen to your Monday flagship Lions Liberty podcast hosted by me so head over to lions of liberty dot com slash coffee grab yourself some morning roar. I will also post the link in today's show notes which you can find over at Lyons Liberty Dot com slash four one zero podcast. I guess today is a Venezuelan American freelance writer. You can find in his writing at the institute at Big League politics and at the advocates for self government his also the author of how socialism destroyed Venezuela and the ten myths of gun control very pleased to welcome for the very first time Jose eight Nina Jose. Are you ready to roar. Oh yeah man. Let's get started all right man and very pleased to speak with you for the first time I've been familiar with your work for a while here and you know we've got a whole bunch of stuff specifically relating to Venezuela Woah that I want to get into you but I it's the first time on the show why start off telling all the lions out there a bit about yourself your childhood a little bit about where you grew up and how you became interested in libertarian ideas well. I was originally born in Venezuela but I came to the states when I was pretty young around six like in the late nineties right before things released started imploded Venice swallows like the year before Hugo Chavez got elected it and my parents they kind of saw the writing on the wall especially in ninety six when my dad's like small business went under is largely due to like inflation at the time a lot of people forget that Minnesota I saw like around one hundred percent inflation like in the mid nineties and that stuff like really hate the middle to lower middle classes and below hard at my family was one one of those sectors of the band's One society that got hit pretty hard by that so my parents were left with like pretty tough choice of looking for greener pastures especially like United United States among other countries and they decided to do best for my sister is future and moves to the states and I've always paid attention the background to benefit on politics thousand like really really hard core into it. I got into Liberty Movement basically through Ron Paul dislike lurking around a lot of forums and catching some of his videos since that I've been involved in university libertarian carrion groups such as students for liberty and young Americans the Liberty I lived abroad for some time in Chile Rod Students Graduate Studies and doing freelance work of free market think tank there and Dan I got into the realm of grassroots lobbying at copywriting for the National Association for gun rights and now for the past few months. I've been barking like more online career as a freelance writer her and I mostly write about several topics that range from gun rights she decentralization. I don't write as much about Venezuela but I did release an e book on like what's going on there which is really the compilation of white pass three years work on the subject with some updates and just like modifications to make it like a soon read i. I'm Kinda curious about when you first moved to the U._S.. With your family family I know you're a pretty young but I'm curious how much you remember about that time and if you can think back to that like what are some of the differences may maybe not even politically because you probably weren't necessarily thinking in that context of the time but just what are some of the major differences that that struck you <hes> if you can recall what your family I moved here to America from Venezuela well. I could kind of tell that things were starting to go bad because around the apartment complex I lived in. I lived in <unk> Balenciaga Venezuela which is one of the largest cities in Venezuela after got across the capital and Monica able city about nearly two million people in the apartment complex rows at the rear like armed guards like with like machine guns and rifles that was like a very like lurid image of my childhood that I still remember to this to these days but it was definitely from the Times I've visited like over the past few years definitely more stable stable when you look at it from a relative sense I mean I would definitely trade bid nineties Venezuela with all its problems for President Davis will but it was definitely a society in the decline of that time bides lights really that's a big theme of what works around Venezuela have been about is that Venezuelan society especially like its economy as declining for a while for multiple decades in fact and that's contributed largely to the rise of Chevy Smoke Hugo Chavez's ideology there and I it was not a overnight process whatsoever so let's dig into that a little bit more. When did it all begin? I mean at what point based is on the work. You've done <hes> in regards to Venezuela. Would you say that socialism began to really take hold and sort of led to eventually what we see today. Well I come from a historical background and I like to view you things. From historic winds especially macro trends and we have to understand that Venezuela did it just get rich because of oil <unk> initially it actually had a pretty hands-off approach to economic affairs from the nineteen ten's up until the nineteen seventies the <unk> hardly any taxation regulation central banking only came in until took nineteen thirty nine so slow at that time was late to the party and for good reason and it's relatively free economy in conjunction with the stubby oil attracted a lot of skilled labor uber from Italy Portugal Spain Colombia. It's next door neighbor and even Lebanese Syrian Christians as well at <unk> created like a pretty pretty strong economic environment grow with ADM modernization for the country but the nineteen fifties Venezuela was one of the richest countries in the planet on a per capita G._D._p.. Basis but a lot of things started to slowly unravel ravel when the country back to democracy in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight and they slowly started to implement a lot of like socialist light policies since then there was a bipartisan political order between a party called <unk> accident <unk> democratic action and go Bay Fishing Democrats they would take turns in power and pursue very similar policies. There was not much of a difference and in nineteen seventies when I believe. Steve in my opinion that the Venezuelan economy was fundamentally altered when the government completely nationalized its oil industry this this goes contrary to a lot of typical Fox News takes you hear these. They say that will go Chavez nationalized oil street factually not true that was the government of cardinals unrest Perez of the president of of Democratic Action at the time in the mid nineteen seventies since then the Venezuelan economy has been completely controlled by the state the state basically treated the oil industry as a massive piggy-bank to dole out crony capitalistic subsidies companies to you also just hand out money to potential voting blocks as well as to politicize other institutions like the Central Bank. The government bought a majority stock in the Central Bank so that it could pursue more easy money policy Z. and not even like a decade took place when the Venezuelan government decided to devalue its currency nineteen eighty three after of the government engage in a huge spending binge during the nationalization nationalization period of its oil industry because there was a belief that with a nationalized oil industry Venezuela could pay for all all these types of goods and services through state control through capturing capturing oil rents and revenue like dining redistributing it and essentially wanted to kind of like a lost decade in the nineteen eighties but it's actually started to get poor it was almost expected that from during unlike the Mid Twentieth Century that that the economy would always grow but that was not the case and ironically in the nineties and late eighties kernels unders petty skits reelected any promises the same bonanza but I once he assumes power he realizes that the Venezuelan stay is completely bankrupt. The economy is completely shackled by regulations government control and overall <unk> could not compete the on the international level thanks to its protectionist policies so he turns to the I._M._F.. which gives him a bunch of half assed advice like there was some decent stuff like privatization of industry cutting tariffs and subsidies spied really go far enough as far as taming inflation which was becoming a problem and privatizing the oil industry funny part is that this is own party act a democratic doc action completely hated these reforms because they're a Social Democrat member of the Socialist International of did not prove so they were able to channel a lot of protests out in st even like more radical radical leftist elements came out and it resulted in a massive crackdown called the category so in nineteen eighty nine when inflation was close to sixty percent and the government actually cracked crackdown violently killed hundreds of people and that was the end of the political instability in nineteen ninety two? You had a man by the name of Lou Chavez who lieutenant colonel at the time launched two unsuccessful coups against Carlos goes on this pedestals government and even though they were failures they completely shattered the political system people lost trust in Carlos Perez and he was ironically impeached by his own party in Nineteen ninety-four believe four embezzlement charges and from that point forward the bipartisan order of <unk> The guy in the Social Democrats completely imploded and laid the groundwork for Shabas movement while he was actually in prison but was able to pick up a lot of steam because people were on on net poor and hated the political system. They're sick when Chavez was pardoned in nineteen ninety six. He had an easy based tap into he completely bashed the previous political order he actually campaigned as a centrist and by nineteen ninety eight. It was a rap like he won pretty decisively and most most people were really pissed off of the previous political system but they had no idea what they voted for them often you see these revolutionaries and people get excited because they hit their government so much that they embrace someone who is strong and promising change and obviously <hes> Chavez kind of built his name for himself with those attempted coups which did leave the lead to him becoming President <hes> I want to take back a little bit further and try to just wrap my head around how this kind of happens to a nation like Venezuela has walea where things seemed to be going pretty well. They seem to have pretty free markets. <hes> the economy's doing well in the nineteen fifties and then at some point the government just starts to institute more socialist policies <hes> perhaps not coincidentally as you mentioned as as it became more of a democratic country as that almost something that's maybe inevitable in some ways as a country becomes wealthier. <hes> people might just expect more things from that sort of wealthier nation or is there some sort of specifics that you can point to in terms of love. Y Venezuela SORTA taken that turn obviously socialism is something that is sort of creep its way throughout all of South America in over the decades. But what kind of insight can you provide on the reasons behind why you know that turns started to come in well I go over this in my book as well relief. It's a cultural and political institutional problem with Latin America. It just doesn't have the same foundation as the U._S.. I like the U._S.. The declaration of independence was based upon classical liberal principles. They weren't just saying like screw. The British they were actually reasserting rights at the <hes> enjoyed as has like subjects at the British of empire but the British crown completely destroyed but the <hes> in the Latin American case it was mostly just a group of colonial elites that really just wanted to recreate their own <hes> noble fiefdoms because they actually feared that the Spanish government at the time which was occupied by Napoleon Bonaparte and his brother rack she can implement very classical classic liberal reforms in strip colonial elites of their privileges so even like in after independence was successfully attained Venezuela a lot of these countries maintain released along colonial Marquette Listrik institutions that were very corrupt and that was always a very strong rallying point four alive leftist ideologies because when you look at a lot of the right wing these countries they tend to be very corrupt so it's easy for less this to mobilize against them but in the Venezuelan case it's best governments have historically been under military dictatorships from the most part because they were not very activists in economic affairs and the opposition to these governments was overwhelming the Socialist Light Stephen Communists in fact the founder of the modern Venezuelan Democracy of the Fourth Republic from nineteen fifty. The eight nine thousand nine hundred Rommel on Google was a reformed communist turned social democrat. He was like the founder of accidental Kathy. They actually didn't disagree with the communistic vision they just disagreed with the means implementing it they rejected revolution but they believe it could be implemented through the ballot box and that's always been a really big lingering problem in Venezuela that the overall raw culture there especially after the oil nationalization has been just infected by a top down central planning ideologies every party you see even to the present and. Among the opposition is just completely brainwashed into these ideas. The only exception I would argue is coalition formed by Mayawati now Machado who is the leader of a centrist market circuit oriented party called bentivoglio swallow come Minnesota. There really aren't any free market alternatives in the country. I think that's not a coincidence. It's part of a larger macro cultural and political trend in the country. That's been in existence for the past sixty years or so. I want to discuss <hes> kind of getting to the reign of Chavez a little bit more and kind of try to tie that in with when Venezuela became an area of interest first the United States. I believe there is at least one or maybe more coup attempts <hes> believed to be by the C._I._A.. Who knows how much evidence we really have to that end <hes> against Chavez and he was also very outspoken anti imperialist so there's kind of a few as you can view job as you can feel him as the Socialist leader that he's he's certainly was <hes> you can also view him as sort of <hes> a staunch anti imperialist so what how much of the United States interest in Venezuela was sort of sparked by Shahbaz and how much of it can as you as far as you can tell was related more directly just towards the oil resources and that sort of thing well interestingly Chavez's first years in office? He was actually kind of centrist. Even privatize five Italians like certain industries like in the mining sector but it wasn't after I would say I think things changed after nine eleven interestingly because the U._S. was completely emboldened by that they were ready to do regime change everywhere and <hes> what Chavez fight nationalizing the oil industry into the two there was a coup against him that successfully deposed them for for day but then he was able to get back in power and there's a lot of evidence that the CIA was involved net completely emboldened him he went from like a centrist to full-blown radical but he actually did it brand his movement socialist till I believe around in two thousand six or two thousand seven when he changed his the part the party who's part of to the United Socialist Party of swerdlow because his movement originally was the Fifth Republic Movement of Split Up and U._S. has had an interest because like let's face it best most powerful country on the planet and is willing to do regime change wherever it pleases at when you see a rogue regime in its own backyard. It's going to have like it's GonNa be involved in some capacity. The thing is that I think like when you look at the neo conservative establishment their main focus the past twenty years has been the Middle East so swallow has kind of taken somewhat of a backseat but dough that that should not be confused for the fact that they're they've been wanting regime change for some time there. They've tried getting involved through a lot of these student in groups you see a lot of the relieve Socialists light opposition pal around vodka fake tanks in Washington D._C.. Like the American Enterprise Institute and other groups groups <hes> in efforts to try like topple whoever's been in power whether be Chavez or Maduro <hes> I do think Venezuela's entire economic debacle is for the most part self inflicted afflicted. It's been collapsing even before Chavez but I think the U._S. is policy of trying to do regime change as actually embolden both Chavez and renewed his current regime because that's the problem with sanctions all these other policies they end up hurting the people and empowering the government and that when the people see <hes> or perceive the United States is attempting to overthrow their leader naturally naturally they're just going to rally around that leader probably almost whoever they are even if they might dislike their leader <hes> a bad leader that they sort of chose or that their country chose to their system is still gonNA look a lot better to them than the United States coming in from outside and installing like their own dictator. That's right I will point out that the U._S.. MAINTAIN <UNK> A relatively hands off policy with sanctions and other like overt regime change type of policies after after the dozen to coup but the trump administration has been relatively hawkish though in Venezuela to an unprecedented degree and they've given a lot of their measures lot of teeth too so indeed they have been trying to topple the Doodo government in its failed so far in backed up. I've read some reports that with Doodo got the noodle government is actually stronger than ever and you think that's in large part due to like you mentioned the increasing <hes> I guess boldness of the trump administration to sort of put pressure on Venezuela or kind of make them a target once again after the U._S. was somewhat hands off for for the last decade plus. Yes I mean it's that I also think to the opposition Venezuela to be quite frank sucks like ideologically. I don't think they offer much like to get the country moving again. I think they need very clear. Free Market Alternative Sleeping <unk> there also the U._S. involvement there. There's a bigger geopolitical play tube on because of the fact that U._S. parked everywhere especially in the Middle East superpowers like China Russia and and even lesser powers like Iran also parked in the U._S.. Backyard specifically Venezuela <hes> as a way to kind of give it the middle finger for a lot of the stuff that does abroad because the U._S. is no longer the only sheriff in town. We already saw that with Syria now. That Russia's heavily involved there in saving of Iran that there will be into antagonistic powers that will check U._S.. Foreign Policy Adventures choose and Venezuela's also staging ground for that now and that's why you're seeing a lot of hawks while you saw that specifically for Mike January until April Venezuela hawks really dialing down the pressure pressure there because of the heavy for involvement but I think it's part of a larger geopolitical game now we're not talking just about light failure of certain <unk> economic policies. We're talking about it's kind of like proxy conflict between certain factions of global superpowers something I hear a lot <hes> from people involved in Venezuela is that <hes> there's direct involvement up to possibly including troops of the Cuban government which actually struck me as a pretty interesting because as far as I know Cuba's relatively poor of course the people in the government Ha have have any money that there is any well there is it's mostly concentrated there. How how much is far as you're aware is the Cuban government directly involved in in Venezuela and with the Madero government? I forgot to mention that as well yeah. They're very involved. I remember when I was there. It was like a twenty thousand fourteen <hes> there's definitely like some security detail a dry a notice that had Cuban accents and stuff like that because the rumor is that a lot of Cuban intelligence and troops there and and it also makes sense from a geopolitical standpoint because Cura as part of that same China Russia Iran access and they've had very good relationships with Venezuela they get oil and other resources sources for Venezuela and their mutual trading partner because the U._S. hates them as well so there there is in some ways. It seems just like an old school almost cold war alliance that is sort of come together or has. Remain together I guess over the decades against the United States. I guess one of the major differences being you know. The United States can no longer seemingly just run roughshod all over the place. Now there is a lot of resistance to to overthrow governments such as that in Venezuela. Oh definitely and that's why I <hes> that's why I think like Russia and China that are very involved there because every even like major superpowers like the U._S.. Just always be imperial overstretch so they're going to set up their assets like in our backyard our blind spot so I don't really I couldn't. I don't really put it past them considering the U._S.. Track record. I want to get a little more into the most recent goings Zahn and Venezuela it does seem there was an attempted coup attempt to put <hes> this guy one Guy Ito into power <hes> and I'm sure you're familiar with the controversy some of the controversies that have been going on within the Libertarian Movement. I'M NOT GONNA go naming names James anybody that kind of follows this stuff knows what I'm talking about but no there are basically a couple of different factions out there in the Libertarian Movement. There are some that really support not government. I don't think any Faxon in the Libertarian Movement supports the United States government getting involved in Venezuela with are those there are some that do support kind of helping certain factions in Venezuela you know through the private or voluntary means <hes> to sort of get Gedo into power as as in terms of just representing the rule of law <hes> some claim he should be the rightful president accident with the idea being that that could potentially lead to a an actual libertarian government perhaps led by Maria Corina Machado. Who is you know kind of like a classical liberals? You might not be an aunt cap but she's certainly closer to much closer to that then obviously the the current and governments there and then there are those there's kind of another side to that that would just say hands off <hes> you know we shouldn't be involved at all. We shouldn't be supporting this Guy Guy Because he's clearly a C._I._A.. Puppet <hes> and then coming back to them that that faction will sort of be called called Madeira propaganda and that sort of thing so where do you sort of fall within this whole dialogue in terms of how Libertarians should be viewing the situation in Venezuela. I guess specifically a when it comes down to this sort of conflict over guide GAITO versus Moore d'oro <unk> Libertarians even be picking aside here because I don't think anyone involved is is a libertarian or or an angel of any kind. Yes this complicated question but I've actually written about how breaking up in a slow would actually be a good idea especially secessionist movement in the western region of the country which is actually pretty clearly dissimilar from the rest of like Seca Dhaka's in other parts of central Venezuela but I prefer like obviously like more privatize alternatives. I'd like to see like private defense. I'm very partial to these ideas of kind of decentralizing the country because I think we do need more nation in states. We need more than city states. We need more competing jurisdictions but I don't want that to be necessarily done through like state intervention now. I think that like yeah I've been kind of in the blueprint some of that whole controversy. They're tired to avoid if you're a libertarian on the Internet sometimes indeed I'm not a fan of point. Why doth is she is party? <unk> language is Spanish for popular will their member of the socialist analyst International. They're essentially the children of the failed political were of pre-chavez <hes> era of the pre-chavez era ad I repeat a lot of the stupid mistakes they will implement the same kind of they will implement the reforms that are needed to move the country forward and I don't even think they might stay in power that long if they somehow get into power to so there's that I think I think the country does need like a very strong type light market like opposition in the mold of like the Eastern European countries and also like almost clause. I nationalist movement if you will like Doc Eastern Europe because it is clear the country there is like foreign interference <unk> no matter how you slice it but is a good way to rally around the issue around like some type of like three market nationalism but I don't really think the present moment that there's really much to do there. I do salute efforts to <hes> conduct like private like ventures inside there to try to raise awareness and possibly promote a peaceful transition out of its current regime but I don't trust the current opposition. That's there at the moment deeply that Gedo is as at actually a C._I._A.. Puppet and the third of direct sense or do you believe he just kind of aligns with their current interests so perhaps there backing him for some sort of short term game. I haven't really looked into the topic that much that being said from what I've gathered he has been involved a lot of like the DC think-tanks fewer dismember shoot. Those groups of students guys young. He's I think he's like thirty five or thirty six and it opposition has bidden trying to put some people in Washington D._C.. Pipeline at the trout always little suspicious like one of the people that has been pretty notorious in promoting that as Roger Noriega of the American Enterprise is institute. She goes around like Latin America. He does a lot of decent projects like promoting like market oriented stuff and educating like Latin American politicians would be politicians there about absurd free market principles but I think with the Venezuelan class <hes> these people that you're dealing with. They're all Social Democrats for the most part and <hes> they're not can implement a lot of stuff that though in part on them and also a which is a pretty neo-con conservatives of ink type of institution so there's not much to expect from them there and <hes> I can't really point to anything that says he's a puppet but I do think he aligns of American interests since they want to get modesto out and they wanted to make a geopolitical statement to countries like Cuba Russia in China. Where does this idea come from? I hear this a lot and I've never really fully understood it that guy though is actually the rightful president through some sort of constitutional manner which is a an interesting outlook for Libertarians take but some do point to that point whatever it may be in the hopes that you know at least installing the rightful government could lead to elections which could lead to an actually better or more libertarian government but where does this idea that he is somehow the more rifle President Madero obviously neither that near them are ideal from a libertarian perspective but do you know where that idea comes from. Yes in twenty eighteen month doodle called a snap election after a lot of pressure from the opposition so note that he could like establish his political legitimacy it was to try to play out like other presidential elections where the government would hold an election that was laced with a lot of fraud like well at least allegations of fraud and all of that the government would within the opposition plane rinse repeat while it didn't plan because when do launched his snap election the majority of the opposition hidden abstained in fact I think that was because of orders from the State Department in other international organizations to specifically do that and what was left of the opposition to mother role in that snap election was candidate by the name of endlessly Falcone's who a lot of people think it is controlled opposition. He was a former Chevy stuff that defected to the opposition in Venezuela and he's always been on. I'm kind of friendly terms Madero like they disagree with the way the country's going but he's kind of like a palatable opposition for the government to handle and Doodo ended up winning in a landslide but the opposition did not recognize the results and they use that as a play that this entire snap elections illegitimate and thus according to the Venezuelan Constitution de Legitimacy is election leads to the leader the National Assembly Longo becoming the INTRO president of the country for the time being so he he was never even running for president. They're saying that because of the because Medeiros snap election they're saying was legitimate by default. If you accept that that was the legitimate by default according to the constitution guida would be the leader. You know if you accept that premise yeah. That's basically the play now. The problem with that is that I think like this. My more nuanced take Venezuela is so institutionally in cold truly depleted that you can't rely on constitutional tricks. The somehow toppled that regime they were essentially using a political play to gain international recognition but in Venezuela at this point you have to have pretty strong military force behind you talk <unk> part of the Constitution and opposition does not have that nor do they have enough popular support on the ground to do so but I think that Venezuelan has hit such a primitive state of politics. That's gone white really back back to basics. It's all politics comes through the barrel of a gun just like Mouse Dung said and that's what Venezuela it is. It's a it's kind of in a state of nature so I feel like the whole that whole coup thing thousands cosmetics ex like they never had any type of armaments or ability to dish out punishment towards the government to topple that regime that assists a paper candidacy launched by the State Department in Hopes of somehow toppling muddle regime which is always had pretty strong control not only just through the state but also through a lot of criminal and paramilitary elements there and the opposition Venezuela. It's it's big but not big enough to topple roles. How does someone like Madero? Stay so popular. <hes> in general I mean you mentioned that he does have pretty widespread support even as the economy continues to collapse even as things seemingly just get worse and worse and worst as far as inflation food shortages and all this stuff. How does someone like that maintain popularity through such terrible conditions well when thing to note this is not occurring in a vacuum a lot of people have finished slow which includes a lot of people that could potentially be in the opposition to the brain drain really hurts the opposition bad so it's not a matter of <hes> madore receiving overwhelming support from the populace like exclusively is is also the fact that he has an environment? That's favorable towards the incumbent it also helps a he has foreign governments propping him up like China Russia Guba and Jabeen opposition mission. That's pretty feckless as well. It's a perfect storm for a transitional incumbent there and yet. I think like this goes to show that like in politics like it's not about necessarily so having the right ideas. If you cannot mobilize you will not win. That's plain simple. It's a it's a very value neutral art where those with the best tactics and mobilization strategies are the ones that end the coming out on top and so far rogue government has that in their favor. Hey friends I gotta take a quick. Pause here to tell you about another great libertarian podcasts out there. It's called Freeman beyond the wall hosted by the artist formerly known as man's Raider now known simply by his real name of Pete Raymond and I gotTa Tell You Pete is a machine. This guy brings you a new episode of his own every single Monday Wednesday and Friday Friday and he has done some absolutely fantastic in depth interviews. He's had on everybody from Ron Paul to thaddeus Russell to fill a bond the lead singer of all that remains a very diverse group of guests not always libertarians. He also did a great so with a Washington D._C.. Insider lobbyists revealing a lot of the dirt that goes on behind the scenes in D._C.. He has done so many interviews that I have just said Darn. I wish I did this one myself. So I really do want to highly recommend checking out Freeman beyond the wall you can find it over at Freeman beyond the wall dot com as well as itunes stitcher and all those fancy podcasters out there one thing I definitely want to touch on <hes> because it's something that you write about so much that you're so passionate about is the topic of gun control as it relates to Venezuela <hes> when did gun control start becoming a factor in Venezuela and how do you see things playing out in Venezuela. If it had just you know maybe done everything and had tried to do over the years but had remained you know had had allowed an armed citizenry citizenry. May we can learn some lessons from that <hes> based on what a lot of people wanNA see here in the United States as it relates to gun control first of all Venezuelan really never had the Second Amendment Act starting like in the nineteen thirties it pass very draconian dunk control where you can only have like single shot twenty two rifles and they'll do it. You could carry a handgun. It was in the military or private security and good also jump through a bunch of hoops so that's just not there and this goes back to one of my previous points that like the Anglo Sanction Saxon tradition of an armed mm citizenry whether it's a militia or private citizens owning guns was never really a thing in Latin America especially in Venezuela the only people generally had guns in those in Latin American countries were people connected to the nobility thirty soldiers certain members of law enforcement and in modern times private security which is heavily licensed by the state and paramilitary or criminal elements so that never really existed what you see people talking about now were specifically these measures like this armament measures were passed both under Google Chavez and Nicholas Maduro where they confiscated certain firearms in response to the crime waves Venizelos had crime labs have been thing in Venezuela since the eighties in that's part of the economic cultural breakdown of the country and the only people that really have the guns now or like the <hes> militias connected to the state the criminals and the government obviously but I think that yeah it does show that like the Second Amendment allows people take for granted here because in times of crisis you you definitely want it. You definitely don't want to be unarmed because the history of tyrannical governments and control is inextricably linked and you could see it from even like Cuba <unk> Soviet Union Nazi Germany Niles China they always sees the guns or took advantage of previous gun control measures to seize Don's under tyrannical regimes and it's it's an insurance policy ultimately against tyranny against like complete breakdown because Venezuela will we see is not necessarily like Soviet like SYS systematic tyranny you see a form of anarchy tyranny meaning where the government just let's criminals run loose impunity and just attack in pre upon the population. They don't have to send like jackboots into tyrannized people. They they have a lot of paramilitary and criminal actress to do that at it. Installs feared the population and when you're when they're disarmed they have no means of fighting back against the people just generally just completely feel paralyzed because you know they're kind of getting from every angle whether it's economically <hes> the government cracking down or like you said these these all these nongovernment actors that they're just completely defenseless against essentially that there are a lot of people I have like some <music> distant family members and friends I still ammon touch which that ended up getting guns on the black market because that's how they're going to survive there but a lot of people don't do that because they prefer referred me law-abiding that sense but there are peripheral areas especially in western Venezuela where people have just said screw it. We're going to get guns regardless of whatever like freaking laws on the books and that's what generally happens because you're talking about survival. You're you'RE GONNA do whatever it takes to make it out one day or live another day so yeah. It's definitely a Mad Max situation there a lot of times it pays to break the rules. I'm just curious as we wrap up here Jose. They just your general thoughts after obviously you're you're growing up there and your your connections with family and the people you still know their combined with all the research. You've done on this topic in the past few years. Is there any hope I mean. Is there any hope to see a non-socialist Seles non strong-armed government in Venezuela. Is there any hope for the Libertarians that I know there are libertarian movements <hes> in Venezuela as small as they may be. Is there any hope that some of this can turn around eventually or are we just at the point where we're kind of at the point of no return and it's going to continue to spiral in short and medium-term pretty pessimistic because I think the country needs to be ideologically and culturally red pilled until that happens you're still out more of the stain either the garments stay in power or if the opposition somehow posted off. It's GONNA be very weak. Government doesn't do the right reforms that are needed to get the country up and running again and that is probably switch back to some might permutation of of Chavez <unk> regimes. It's pretty bleak. I think a long-term anything's possible and the already saw that with the collapse of the Soviet Union after nearly like seventy years in power eventually disintegrated at you saw some positive developments with the Baltic tigers like Estonia Latvia Lithuania nothing but as fully should look at those examples like other eastern European countries in central European countries that had socialist governments or puppet governments there as model but right now. It's I find it very difficult for the country MM sword and I think in the next five years I wouldn't expect much different. Hopefully <hes> enough Venezuelans can somehow you know catch a few minutes of Flies Wifi and stumble around while along the right libertarian free market content or ideas somehow and <hes> you know eventually red pill enough people to make some change but obviously <hes> this is not going to be an easy battle is not the kind of change. That's going to happen overnight and some ways it really does make you appreciate that for all the problems in the United States for all the talk of socialism and there's certainly certainly is a lot of talk of it. At least we do have the underlying concept of freedom that we can keep pointing back to whereas a country like Venezuela simply doesn't even have that base at all so there's not even you know that that older culture to point back to or that base culture where you can kind of draw from it has really just be generated from the ground up <hes> Jose. It's been a great time talking to you. I really do appreciate your perspective on Venezuela. Can you just let everybody out there. No before I let you go how they can find all your writing and <hes> how they can of course get access here bucks. If you go to my website Jose El Nino Dot com you can find my works there specifically on my newsletter Jose El Nino Dot com forward slash newsletter and to get my books. Just go on WHO's A._O._l.. Nino dot com forward slash how hyphen socialism hyphen destroyed Hyphen Venezuela for my Venezuela Book and for my gun book it's Jose Downing Your Dot Com ten hyphen myths hyphen gun hyphen control and for social media. I mostly on twitter at WHO's El Nino and yeah that's those are the main places I'm at. I have a daily email list. I'm mostly tweeting by articles at LISA'S DOT COM AMMO DOT COM and big league politics <hes> I've generally very active on social media arts the topics like say gun rights or whatever it's hot in the U._S. is well. I'm not writing as much on Venezuela these days though I will host that really appreciate your time. I'll be sure delinked everything you mentioned in the show notes today's episode please do keep up the great work. I know I don't need to tell you to do that and keep Anwar and Jose thank you so much mark all right kitty cats. I hope you enjoyed my conversation with Jose. 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Why Are Venezuelans Starving?
"All right. Yes. Now, I can use. Okay. Heroin. This is indicator from planet money, I'm Garcia and today. I'm joined by Marianna Zunyi gas. She's a freelance reporter speaking with me from Caracas Venezuela. Madonna. Hello. Hi car. So you have brought us story about Venezuela were politically things are obviously very tense right now there are power outages throughout the country. I should know. There's a power outage. Right. This very second. As you're talking to me, isn't that? Right. Yeah. Actually. Yeah. We lost power at home. Okay. And this has been happening. How often well we had a like a massive blackout ten days ago. It lasted almost five days. A now powers kind of intermittent around the country that comes in and out. Well, the Venezuelan economy self has been collapsing for years Montana, but the store you brought us as actually not about what's happening. Right. This second. Instead, it's about how things got to be. This way, that's right guard. If this is the story about a contradiction above, but as sort of starving because there isn't enough food, but the country should be a farmer's parties. I have driven across the country, many many many times, and I can tell you. There is fertile land everywhere, lots of sunshine. I'm plenty of water once upon a time Venezuela is land to produce more than enough food for its people to eat. My story is about what has happened since that time, given the country's natural resources. Why finis will lose its ability to produce enough food? Okay. And that story's coming right up after the break. Support for this podcast and the following message come from Amazon web services, helping millions of builders from startups to enterprises to governments transform their industries with secure a already cloud services. Learn more at AWS is how dot com slash podcast. Support also comes from taking the cell phone service where you pay a fair price for the talk text data that you actually use each month. If you use less, you pay less, it's that simple. Get twenty five dollars off your phone Bill at indicator dot Tang dot com. Our story begins in the early two south at the time. The company invents sector had a reasonable amount of onomic freedom, more guy and communists, based in Dhaka's at echo Analytica. That's an economic research firm says Venezuela's farming companies back then could choose which kinds of food. They wanted to produce. And they could sell that food at the March. Price. But says Guillermo that's something that started to change when child started implementing what he called the socialism of the twenty first century policies, referring to Travis Venezuelan, laid precedent. There were several agricultural policies that tavist put in place, the first policy was price controls that started in two thousand and three price controls are exactly what they sound like the government forces companies to sell their products below a certain price. The prices controlled it is capped. So in this case back in two thousand three Hugo Chavez government started capping the price of food supermarkets could not charge people more than a certain amount for the food that they bought from them. It started with basic foods like sugar and milk and the goal was to make food cheaper for Venezuelans. But there is a reason that price controls are considered bad economics. He was why this Oper markets still had to. The food from the farming companies on if the supermarkets cannot sell the food for more money than they buy it. Then the supermarkets don't have an incentive to buy as much food to put on their shelves. Right. So they're sold is that less food start showing up in the supermarkets, and so as geared more explains the government, then just extended the price controls to the farming companies themselves the government forced the farmers to sell their food for below the market value to the supermarkets. It started with the price of the final good. But afterwards, they started implementing price caps on all of the supply chain. So the farmers now could not sell their food the supermarkets for the market value. So they the former's did not have an incentive to make as much food, and they stopped investing in the equipment and fertilizer and other things needed to make the food, and they did indeed start making less food a few months ago. I spoke with this mall. Farmer named Tom Asensio hill lives and go hairs state in central Venezuela. The meaning destroyed there is agriculture to must became a farmer few years ago because he was very worried about the shortage of food. But he told me that the price controls have affected his business directly. Why would you invest in beside? They're going to tell me. Hey, you should you should sell your milk at one thousand five hundred. I can't prove that seven hundred or something. Okay. I only Eric can only sell at one thousand but price controls were not the only policy the chargers. Government put in place starting roughly in the middle of the two thousands. Another policy was nationalization. This is when the government takes over private company or the brand of a private company, and in the case of the farmers. This was also when the Chinese government started expropriating, massive amounts of their farmland, hundreds of thousands of acres that were expropriated and the the government became the largest producer in almost every food group. In the in the country. The government was taking over the agricultural sector. This was part of political strategy to take power away from the wound us, which are the biggest Venezuelan I wake George producers, and as the government took over more and more of the sector the companies run by the government faced less competition from other companies in the market. So they didn't have to work as hard to produce food because the companies were now countable to the government not to the market and they're west corruption. Of course, as Goodyear explains they were doing everything, and there was very little oversight because of how huge the 'nationalisation project was it was very hard for for the government. Even if it didn't want to be corrupt to keep an eye on corrupt officials. So they were looting the machinery uneventfully the government took over more. More and more of the entire chain of food production from the companies that made the Equipment's unsold fertilizer to the companies that actually produced food to the supermarkets where people by the food less land is own and farm by private farmers nowadays farmers like the my you the must remembers when a private company coal outta Lanier. Was nationalized. His says this company used to supply farmers with fertilizers on equipment. Now, he relies on a company run by the government for suplies. But he has not been impressed by their work supplies. They don't necessarily give you the supplies. You want at the time you want and the amount you want. Okay. And that's the experience of many people have and the ones have told me. So for what I'm doing? I'm strapping as the nationalizations continued Venezuelan production of food continued falling and falling and falling. So Venezuela's started importing more food to make up for it. And in the short. Run. Venezuela had the money to do this. Because Venezuela exports a lot of oil and back in the two thousands, the price of oil was very high. So Venezuela could make a lot of money from selling that oil, but in twenty fourteen the price of oil start collapsing. And so the Dennis economy the government could no longer afford to import as much food because it wasn't making enough money from selling its oil, and eventually the government started replacing its own supermarkets with the so-called glad boxes, which it sells to people for cheap. Now glop is an acronym that in Spanish dance for local committees for supply and production, and the boxes are full of basic foods that the government still imports foods, like powdered, milk, and grains and gamble says. The government has used the club boxes as way to compel Venezuelans to keep supporting it. Because if you don't support the government, you might not eat. But even then it's still a sin nearly enough food the result of. Sweat on economic policies has been a humanitarian disaster only in twenty seventeen the average of sweat on adult lost twenty four found because there was not enough to eat children are dying from a lack of nutrition and millions of people have fled the country. This was an incredibly disturbing story. But thank you so much for being share. Thank you for listening. This episode of the indicator was produced by Constanza Arto, edited by Patty Hirsch, and our intern will Ruben the indicator is production of NPR.
South Australia Cluster Growing 23/11/20
"From the newsroom. At news dot com. Today you can injure buck laura and this is the latest from the newsroom. It's monday the twenty third of november set the struggling Marshall has said the state is not out of the woods yet as the coronavirus cluster grew overnight. There was only one new case picked up in the last twenty four hours. Meaning there now. Twenty seven cases linked to the power field cluster. The state's chief health officer said if there was any community transmission from the cluster. We'll see this week to new south wales now and police swarmed a sydney high school. After a fourteen year old student was stabbed multiple times this morning. Police will co two. Arthur philip high school in paramedic. Just off to eight. Im police blamed. The boy was the victim of a targeted attack by another fourteen year old. Who has yet to be found. The entertain was taken to hospital with wounds to his back to full it. The story line you can hit us. Don't com dodi you overseas now and us president. Donald trump has dumped one of the lawyers who has been fighting to keep him in power. Sydney powell was sacked with one campaign official telling the washington post. She was three crazy even for the president in the last week. Ms pal has a series of bizarre claims about why mr trump had lost the election including that it was judah intervention by the like dick tighter venezuela hugo chavez. Who died in two thousand thirteen he. She's last week. The massive influence of communist money through venezuela cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states in other news perth p played has been fined for positive breadth test offering a box of rumbles. The forty four year old man was aiding the traits. That a friend's birthday party. He was pulled over by the place for breakfast. Tests on the way back to his hotel returned to rating a point zero three eight now. In w i the legal limit for people that drivers is point zero two rumbles before and they haven't been used cooked anything. It's like that still eating them. Very down past turns out. The man was given a reduced suspension of three months and find the minimum amount. We'll be back in just a moment to entertainment and a fee. Ready changes were announced today. Now bic jot won't be returning to the three pm pickup on the kiss network next year instead she'll be replaced by lang broke. And there's a new breakfast show for today. In sydney next year it'll be hosted by diabetes et cavalier and aaron molin and finally. There's some sad royal news. Prince william and kate middleton have announced that the dog luke has passed away. The couple said that the english cocker spaniel had been at the heart of their family. For the past nine years the dog often appeared in photos alongside the mall and in particular with prince. George let's say from the newsroom. We'll be back with another tight in the morning. Headlines from dot com.
Jeff Tweedy | Trump Disavows Sidney Powell as His Legal Team Embarrasses Itself: A Closer Look
"The president elect joe. Biden's transition team announced today that he is selected longtime adviser in foreign policy veteran. Anthony blinken is a secretary of state. And i think. I'm a little scarred because my first thought was which season of apprentice was he on from thirty rockefeller plaza in new york city. Please enjoy this podcast. Addition late night. With seth meyers on today's show seth chats with musician. Jeff tweedy but i thought closer look president elect joe biden is continuing with the transition announcing cabinet picks outgoing president squatters rights fired one of his lawyers after she claimed the election was rigged as part of a vast conspiracy involving the cia the republican governor of georgia and the former president of venezuela who died seven years ago for more on this. It's time for a closer look. You know. I hate to jump the gun here and prematurely call the election but it's starting to look like donald trump lost by a lot. Joe biden's popular vote. Lead is now over six million and in total. He has more votes than any president-elect in history or to put it another. I dunno more fun way. More people came out to vote against donald trump than have ever come out to vote against any presidential candidate in the history of the united states. And donald. if you ever get mad when you see president by know that likely only happened because you joe biden ran for president a bunch of times before this like never finished in the top tier but against you. It turns out he was the perfect choice. Biden was like that weird kid in school that nobody hung out with because he smelled like garlic and then a vampire attacked prom. And everyone said quick get stinky kevin and he'll never say it but you know. When biden told obama he was going to run for president again. obama. I'm sorry you didn't think being my vice president was the best job you were ever going to. Have you thought it was a stepping stone to bigger things like a walmart. Greeter getting hired and saying one day. I'm gonna run this place but thanks to donald trump. It happened because more people came out to vote against donald trump. And if ever come out to vote against any presidential candidate in the history of the united states ensure we all know that in the back of our minds the millions of people did vote for donald trump and that speaks to a great darkness. We cannot fully handle. But that thought isn't gonna get you up and on the peleton in the mornings. Let's just book market on top of by historic vote. Totals georgia certified. It's results after a vigorous hand recount and the trump campaign lost a major court case in pennsylvania. Where the judge a republican member of the federalist society did not hold back in his contempt for the trump legal teams incompetence a federal judge in pennsylvania completely tearing apart the trump legal strategy. That was spearheaded by rudy. Giuliani the judge in this case. Matthew brand tearing the claims by the trump team that they wanted to invalidate the vote in pennsylvania and throw out nearly seven million votes. The judge in this case saying this one might expect that. When seeking such startling outcome a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption. That has not happened instead. This court has been presented with strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations unplugging the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence. That's about as harsh as it gets for federal judge. That's like hearing. Paul hollywood's say under baked just devastating. Netflix should really put up a warning at the top of that show. I also like the part where the judge says you'd expect the trump legal team to come armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof. Judge take a hint when they don't come in with briefcases lawyers normally things with them. Papers and such evidence they have younger lawyers behind them with file boxes rudy and his greece's walking with iphones and cliff bars and a thermos. They all share. They think this is a high school. Forensics team competition with a kid with the weirdest adult energy wins by talking longest. Why would you expect this crew to roll in with proof. It's like expecting my burnout cousin to come to thanksgiving on time with sweet potatoes. You know he's going to show up at ten pm with math in a woman. He met at a casino. Hey she's going to be a stripper magician. Show your stuff. By the way i want to know how rudy and his gang. Keep getting court dates team and bring this to a judge. They have had multiple days in court and the election. Was what three weeks ago. Do you know how long it takes for regular people to get a court date and two thousand seventeen. I was driving. Zipcar manhattan my dog frisbee jumped in the front seat and started scanning radio stations. And i was startled swerved into a hall card near the curb was the most yelling ever heard new york city. The halava under sued me. Zipcar countersued both me and the hall guy. Meanwhile frisbee is suing sirius satellite radio for changing forties on forty channel. Seventy three the confusion that started this whole debacle. This happened three years ago. We have a hearing scheduled for twenty twenty five and that was only. Because i pulled some strings anyway i think it was talking about something and now prominent republicans. Such as the governor of arkansas and ohio michigan congressman fred upton pennsylvania. Senator pat toomey. You're calling joe biden. The president-elect and saying the transition should begin even longtime trump friend and ally chris christie had this to say about the trump legal teams efforts to overturn the election. I've been a supporter of the president's. I voted for him twice but elections have consequences and we cannot continue to act as if something happened here. That didn't happen quite frankly. The content of the president's legal team has been a national embarrassment. They alleged fraud outside the courtroom but when they go inside the courtroom. They don't plead fraud and they don't argue fraud. If you're unwilling to come forward to present the evidence it must mean the evidence doesn't exist you know it's bad. When chris christie's main job for years was standing behind trump at press conferences. Like bobby bokola. Waiting for his next humiliating. Aaron calls you a national embarrassment but christie's other point is important to trump's lawyers only claim there's fraud when they're outside the courtroom never win. They're inside the courtroom because court is different from tv in court. You real trouble for lying. But when they're in front of tv cameras you hear all these trump lawyers crazy. Ambiguous debunk stuff about dead voters in election software and affidavits or whatever in fact in that very hearing rudy giuliani ultimately lost. He seemed confused. About basic legal terms like strict scrutiny and admitted in court that the campaign was not actually alleging the fraud had taken place which it should be noted is like saying a murder trial high on the alleged victim. And i'm still alive. I apply in this case on a motion to dismiss. I think the normal one are you arguing. That strict scrutiny should apply you know. Normal students should apply with if we had alleged fraud. Yes but this is not. it's not a fraud case. Actually it is a fraud case in the sense that it's case brought by frauds like when someone brings a guitar case they are also probably a fraud. This wasn't a fraud case. In what was it you guys keep saying. There's voter fraud in public but then not arguing. There's voter fraud and cord. It's like how you say in front of your kids. Better be good this year as santa might not come and then at three am. You're on the floor in your living. Room drinking scotch trying to tie a bow around the lightsaber. Screaming paper keeps ripping. Hey why don't we just have like peeking out from behind the couch. A little piece of lights it. I just think it would would the thing. Is they get it as a gift. Okay a fact they have an alleged any actual voter fraud at all because it doesn't exist instead. They've resorted to bat crazy conspiracy theories about election software international communists. And you know one thing. I'm definitely not going to miss about. The trump era is the mad. Libs style news reporting every time you hear about something. The trump team said it's like old. Dennis miller joke from the eighties. Brian kemp and hugo chavez teaming up the steal this election like kitty and peter carruthers going for the gold at sarajevo k. Babe miss his trying to follow the rotating cast a fringe right-wing weirdos that come in and out of the trump world like you remember this guy. Joseph digenova the trump lawyer and right wing lunatic. It looks like he got busted for trying to sneak his own pasta sauce onto a pan. Am flight when you guys got new bedding ketchup. Basically got panned. He got banned from fox news for anti-semitism that's like getting kicked off bravo for drinking wine and hot tub. The geneva was briefly when trump's lawyers during the modern investigation and then got dumped like a week later. Even though he's the only question he's ever answered is what if debt is friends wasn't so sexy he was standing alongside rudy. Giuliani that insane. Press conference they held last week where rudy reenacted a scene from my cousin vinny philadelphia eagles basketball team had what looked like droplets of cerebrospinal fluid leaking from his brain rudy dyed his hair frantically in a gas station bathroom like richard kimble in the fugitive. I mean if i saw that coming out of my radiator would be pounding on my door anyway. These are the only people trump has left because no legitimate lawyer wants to be a part of this unhinged assault on american democracy in fact last week. The trump legal team tried to delay that hearing in federal court to overturn the election because in pennsylvania as reuters reported most of his lawyers. Quit this point. The trump legal team is like cvs at midnight. Sure they're open but nobody actually works. There and trump is like the guy trying to pay for arizona. Ice tea at the photo station register who weep fraternity and doesn't seem to mind but by far the craziest edition that trump's cinematic universe has been a lawyer named sydney powell. And if you thought rudy was bonkers. This lady is crazier than a cereal mascot. She was also at the trump campaign's press conference last week and has been all over right wing media claiming not just that the election was rigged but then millions of ballots were somehow faked or stolen or whatever as part of an elaborate conspiracy involving the republican governor of georgia. The cia in the late men. Waylon leader hugo chavez. Who died in two thousand and thirteen. Until now powell might have been best known for playing the uptight teacher in every heavy metal video or for going on lou dobbs show and making claims about desperate migrants fleeing poverty and violence that were too insane even for lou dobbs. We simply cannot tolerate the continued invasion of this country when americans are suffering every day. The national debt is exploding. We have diseases spreading across the country that are causing polio paralysis of our children. It's one thing after these. You can't very well blame That disease on illegal immigrants. We don't know the cause of it I don't know that that's I don't think that's fair A lot of but there are plenty of reasons to keep this country secure. I including including making sure that everyone is healthy. When they're brought into the country without question right is that fair that is fair but that is part of the problem. We don't know where the diseases are coming from You know what I think that with that we're going to leave it. It's always fascinating to watch. These people have a brief moment of self awareness. You think after that interview lou dobbs. Would it be pulled back a little. It's like when you're at a party and everyone's feeling good then it gets late and someone says let's get on the roof jump in the pool and everybody else's yeah but then you remember. The apartment is twelve stories high. And there's not a pool so you quietly sneak out the back but then the next night. They're like we're having another and you're like all right anyway. That's a psycho who to the official trump legal teams press conference on thursday and claimed not just the mail in ballots for fraudulent or the dead. People had voted. But there there was a vast international communist conspiracy involving a dead venezuelan leader to subvert the election flint we are really dealing with here and uncovering more by the day is the massive influence of communists money through venezuela cuba and likely china in the interference with our elections here in the united states. The dominion voting systems the smart matic technology software and the software that goes in other computerized voting systems here as well not just dominion were created in billions in venezuela at the direction of hugo chavez. You know she doesn't make a lot of sense but at least she has the same voices an orphanage headmistress who's catchphrases. You never get an adopted. Still nice to know that dead. People who are voting are hugo chavez. Who else voted in this election. Boutros boutros-ghali so powell alleged a vast conspiracy involving hugo chavez to help joe biden win the presidential election and yet curiously. She kept refusing to provide of this vast scheme when pressed even by friendly fox news host. Who were basically desperate to agree with her. As long as she could provide a shred of evidence so sydney. You feel that you will be able to prove this. Do you the software in your possession. Do you have the hardware in your possession. How will you prove this city. Well i've got lots of ways to prove it maria but i'm not gonna tell on national. Tv what all we have. So we invited. City powell on the show would have given her the whole hour. We would have given the entire week actually and listened quietly the whole time at rapt attention. That's a big story but you never sent us any evidence. Despite a lot of requests polite requests not a page when we kept pressing she got angry told us to stop contacting in full looney territory when even tucker carlson won't go along with what you're selling. He was begging her to come on his show. Good lord it's easy to get on television. These days unhinged people used to have to stand behind a reporter on location and jump up and down yelling baba buoy anyway. The point is sydney. Powell was somehow even to insane for the trump legal team. Which by the way repeatedly told everyone. They considered her a member of that legal team. They tweeted many times that she was working with rudy and official capacity for the trump campaign the official. Gop account tweeted out a clip of her remarks and she appeared at the official campaign press conference on thursday but i guess she went too far even for trump over the weekend when she went on the far right newsmax channel and claimed that the republican governor of georgia a staunch trump ally was part of the plot along with hugo chavez. And also the cia georgia's probably going to be the first state. I'm going to blow up. And mr kim and the secretary of state need to go with it because they're in on the binion's scam. What their last minute. Purchase or award of a contract at dominion of one hundred million dollars. The state bureau of investigation for george ought to be looking into financial benefits received mr camp and and the secretary of state family about that time and another benefit dominion was created to award as what i would call election insurance. That's why hugo chavez had it created in the first place that i also wonder where he got the technology where it actually came from. Because i think it's hammering scorecard from the cia. Can you tell us anything. Can you make some news with us here tonight. Tell us anything new that you're gonna present in that filing in georgia. Well i can't say that yet but hopefully this week we will. We will get it ready to file sitting what's in it will it will be biblical okay. Well the governor of georgia is being bribed by an election. Software company created by hugo chavez as part of a vast plot involving the cia to spread communism across the globe. Because first of all. I love helping out communist. We all remember when the cia helped. Install fidel castro and the famously successful bay of pigs invasion second of all. Why am i saying second. Why am i breaking this down point by point like anyone watching this is still on the fence thinking okay all right but what about your next point at apparently not the only one who feels this way because the trump campaign issued a statement yesterday suddenly distancing itself from powell just over a week after president trump named attorney sydney powell to his legal team in his effort. To overturn the results of the two thousand twenty election. The president's legal team now says that sydney powell is not a member of his legal team. Rudy giuliani jenna. Ellis two of the attorneys for the president's effort saying in a statement quote. Sydney powell is practicing law on her own. She is not a member of the trump legal team. She has also not a lawyer for the president in his personal capacity. It's both insane that they're trying to pretend. She was never part of the legal team when she was literally standing at an official trump press conference and also believable that someone could wander into trump press conference and say there's lawyer i mean she was identified on. Tv is his lawyers. There's no getting out of that one. But what about the geneva i'd buy. He heard there was a thing. Where you don't need a mask showed up boom sauce. By the way the side of you know need to announce who's joining and leaving legal team a lot of times people show up to court and the lawyers are there. And then you know. Not everyone. Tweets dive retained newseum januzzi and my wrongful arrest for a dui look forward to pleading down to time served personally. I'm just disappointed because power kept promising blockbuster evidence of fraud and now i guess we'll never see it. She even used an especially memorable phrase. This looks like the effort to to carry out an end game in the in the effort against him. Do you concur. Oh absolutely and it's It's been Organized and conducted with the help of silicon valley people the big tech companies the social media companies and even the media companies and. I'm going to release the cracking. I guess the only crack and we ended up seeing was in rudy giuliani's hair dye. They have no evidence which is why lawyers keep quitting or getting fired. Her laughed out of court. Because this whole thing is actually about evidence. It's about manufacturing a conspiracy theory that will animate trump space for years to come. It's just another scam like trump's many previous scams in terms of actual legal arguments the trump's team cases debtor than hugo chavez. This has been a closer look. Our guest is a grammy winning musician and frontman of the band wilco. His book how to write one song and his latest solo album love is the king or both available. Now please welcome back to the show. Our friend jeff tweedy jeff. I'm good how are you. I'm well we've talked in the past as you know. I'm a longtime fan of yours and wilco and i had this great honor. You asked a bunch of A friend of yours to be in the video for your new song. Wendelin and i was lucky enough to be one of those people How did you come up with this idea. Here i am. It's basically the bottom half of my face Top half of yours. And how did you come up with the idea. I saw post on social media from steve martin where he was joking. That nobody Something was weird about going out in public. So he'd made assigned aware over his head. That said this is steve martin And i made me think that. I have a lot of friends that are sort of celebrities and and and they don't get to use that part of their face very much anymore so i thought maybe i could take advantage of that and get everybody to donate their their face to my video. Plus just a mask just work really well as a green screen. So i just thought i take advantage of our moment in that way. Well i really appreciate being part of that moment. You recorded this album with your family. And i imagine at this point. Welcome feel like family when you record songs but it must also still be so different to do with the actual family. What's it like it's Playing music with your family is just the most amazing gift i can. I can ever imagine being given its Music relies upon trust. And you know just just faith that were. You're going to be there in a supportive role for each other and work long I don't know they work for a long time. Usually a band has to be together for years to develop all of those types of Trust and A family just kinda has it. As as a starting point base level of trust that is. I don't know it just feels like you just have so much more room to get Intimate from there. So it's it's the best thing i can think of to do Hey congrats on the book. This is basically You you're you're trying to give people advice on how to write one song and one of the things that you sort of stress how important it is to to let inspiration in two invited in Can you explain that a little bit. Well everybody i think imagines that that artistic processes require Like a bolt of lightning Inspiration and that My argument is that nobody that Nobody's just walking down the street and has no intention to write. A song is going to get hit by a bolt of lightning and decide to write a song. You basically have to put yourself in the path of of that kind of Inspiration and and and. I think you do that by just working at it when you're not inspired working at it as a daily You know just a practice that you have a habit that you have to remind yourself to just kind of be open to things and then it happens all the time. It tends to happen almost every every day for me that i get a little bit inspired and sometimes i get a lot inspired but it wouldn't happen at all if i didn't pick up the pencil or pick up a guitar and that's that's what i just think everybody should do. You mentioned it. You know it's important to you. Know build it as a skill and and make it work and sit down and do it with that said are there still times and and when you think of lyric and you just know right away all that's really that's really good Sometimes yeah i was. I was driving on a out on the tollway the other day. And there was a hearse stuck at a toll plaza Like the guy driving the hearst didn't have any change and they didn't have an easy pass or anything like that. And i just felt like i was hit over the head with the world's greatest metaphor. I sang it into my phone. Even pullover you the classic case of someone else's losses you're like what a way to go. Hey i one of the things that always fascinating to me about. The grammys more than any other award show is is just the breath of the kind of artists who have at grandma's versus. You know just different kind of actors or you know comic actor in a dramatic actor. Your first grammys. is a perfect example of this some people you into yeah i think My most notable encounter was I was with a big group of people although the wilco guys in and wives and girlfriends and and somehow i ended up outside of one of the bathrooms at the staple center holding. everyone's program. For the grammys was just had a stack of of of a grammy programs and he did he walked up to me and He thought it was an usher handing out programs. It's my. He tapped the programs. In my that i was holding with a cane. Give me one of those. Like no other their mind. Anyway there It didn't it. Didn't it didn't become it. Didn't escalate thank goodness. But i was also mistake every time i've ever gone to the grammys. I've been mistaken for a seat filler. Go know what i think is where did he both thought you were Handing out Programs also recognized you and said you know that lead singer wilko's also usher. That would have been just as wall. Hey thank you so much for being here. Congratulations on the book. My pleasure great to see again grade-c to how to write one song and love is the king or both out now. Late night with. Seth meyers weeknights. Nbc at twelve thirty five eleven thirty five central originally music on the late night podcast by hp ban. Don't forget the follow the handle late night set on social media and tell your friend subscribed to the late night podcast wherever they get their podcasts.
Mark Levin shows the desperation of Trumps legal team with respect to election fraud claims
"Both folks welcome back to the rest and culture podcast well. Nobody sheds more light on the desperation of the trump legal challenge to what is viewed as a fair election even by the us government as evidenced by ceasar when they came out and said as much that it was a fair election the government agency. Nobody shows the desperation of the president's legal challenge better than mark levin. It's downright pathetic folks. It's downright pathetic. The whining complaining. I just got Some analysis here. I want you to listen to listen to this. And this litigation strategy in these various states with the laws have been changed in many cases illegally really with a tracking down thirty forty fifty different types of voting activity. Even with the state's there's different activity in different counties is a very difficult and complicated. Business will yes. It is and then mark. Why did you wait until trump lost the election to raise your hand about any concerns that you had. Why did you wait so long. There didn't seem to be any issue until donald trump lost the election. But wait folks. Mark levin is not down there and she said they didn't reveal enough fraud affect the election and this is interesting. He's actually evidently a watcher of the rachel maddow show because he's talking about msnbc here and he's talking about rachel maddow in this so keep listening. It didn't reveal enough fraud affect the election. How do we know that. How do you wanna have presented it. Now they're not going to present. It's not possible to present it really bringing lawsuits about fraud need to information. They need a court to assist if it sees fraud. Well that's very interesting. So let me summarize for you mark. What you are saying here. Is that you favor. Bringing lawsuits to clearly. Impede with thousands of counties across this fine nation have seen as a fair honest election. Thousands of counties have put together these election results that then get submitted to their secretary of state. They certify than the secretary of state certifies. So what you would like to see happen. Is all of these lawsuits clearly clearly. Impede with thousands of these counties across this nation have overseen says fair election. You expect the court on a quarter thimble full of evidence. These affidavits that you're talking about to start a monumental inquisition into your crazy claims. That would hopefully last. Oh let me guess here. Mark what about four more years. Is that what you would like to see in terms of maybe a delay then mark. He really gets desperate. God help him here. He gets extremely desperate in. He starts to blame reporters if you can imagine that. Have listen and as i've been saying for weeks down stop screaming. These reporters aren't in the field actually trying to find out what's going on. They're sitting back. Oh oh okay. Mark opinion-makers right okay. So it's everybody's problem but donald trump's defense team to dig into these crazy election fraud claims you're blaming reporters now now. It's their problem. Because they're not digging into these crazy conspiracy theories you know it's It's pretty pathetic folks in it's downright sad In a and that's not enough. There's more then. Mark levin tries to dig into the dominion voting systems which he tries to link to smart matic. He tries desperately to link this to smart matic which everyone including me on. Yesterday's podcast has debunked so heavily. Listen to this. Dominion is linked and is part of a company that was in fact setup by the venezuelan regime and hugo chavez to steal elections wrong no no mark turn to the light mark turn to the light stop spreading the lies mark. You can start today. Stop spreading the lies and then folks mark is on this crazy rant. He goes off on how the russians were supposed to swing this election for donald trump. But they didn't. The democrat said the russians. Were gonna swing this election for donald trump. Christopher ray came out remember in said they were gonna swing or that. They were active in the election. And he's asking now what happened to that. What happened all of that. he says. Listen to this russians. Were trying to sway the election for for joe biden and the chinese retry excuse me for donald trump and the chinese were trying to sway it for trump For what we're trying to sway for biden russians for trump. That's what they all said. Now told it's a fanciful conspiracy theory. Even think they tried. What are they talking about. What are they talking about. God come on. It's like a light switch on and off. You've got 'em knees. The russians didn't do anything. The chinese didn't do mark mark mark mark. They tried giuliani worked with dmitry further. Tash remember that member. That name does that. Ring a bell. Dmitri for tash who federal prosecutors identified way back in two thousand seventeen as an associate of russian organized crime. they tried. remember the prog product of giuliani's efforts over in the ukraine the supposed- hunter biden laptop. The lasko with all of this crap on it from god knows where they tried. They tried mark. It failed if it failed civil last part here. Folks of markle vins attempt to get someone to look into this this Rabid conspiracy theory that he seems intent on peddling falls flat. It falls flat with who else but senator. Tom cotton of arkansas. He tries to to get him to do something about it. They have hundreds and hundreds of affidavits and all we hear is well. It's not enough to deliver victory here. We shouldn't we find out what the hell took place in these different states where numbers are starting to shop like in georgia or in the case of pennsylvania where the politics of that role court just just as the florida. According to thousand are so obvious. Don't we need to fix this going forward boy headache. Yeah so mark. I free absolutely should get to the bottom of what happened in georgia the bat in arizona pennsylvania other states the president has a right to have a fair and open counting of every legal ballot. And make sure that no illegal ballots are counting We'll see what the resolution bad. It's really out of hand. The of politicians is in the hands of lawyers and the president's lawyers in particular just went mark. He just punted right. Back into rudy giuliani's lamp the clown show the humpty dumpty legal team. You know what i'm talking about here. They've got the ball and good luck with that. This flash briefing was brought to you by culture podcast and you can find us on. Itunes stitcher tune in spotify in google. Play or wherever you find your podcast. Thanks for listening.
164 - VENEZUELAN ELECTION SYSTEM - Here in the US?
"A jazz band the microphone bringing from the forest in washington. This is sick bro. Look for republican. You should find us. And let's kick off today like every other by thanking god for good health and the ability. Be you're sharing with you. Thank you for your time. Attention energy interest. And hello again. From wisconsin's ron christie current. So i'm from wisconsin. Originally christopher and thanks for joining the program is running born in milwaukee. Saint luke's hospital so You know raised on On i know words that no one else knows for wisconsin. You know what these things are. And i'm it's a test. I'm not gonna say it on the broadcast if i ever meet you. And you save from wisconsin. You're from wisconsin. I'll give you a little test and we'll see if you pass because there are certain vernacular that literally you. You don't know it if you're not from the state or the general area so anyway we all going on guys in. I'm if i wasn't reading this and seeing it with my own eyes my own intellect ability to sort through things here. I don't know if i would think this is a true story. It's it's so fantastic goal as to be in. Hollywood hasn't dreamed this crap of so. What am i talking about well. It appears that our election. The united states has been hacked and co opted by software actors from outside of the country. That's what appears and so. That's a big claim right. Let's see if we got anything to back this up a little bit history a little bit of background here because i think it matters and i think it will help you get some context for why i'm saying what i'm saying so in this goes back a little bit and today won't be as much audio clips. There's going to be a little bit of history lesson here a little bit of a history class. And i hope it's not boring to you and i hope that that this is the reason i i've studied history and i pay attention to things. Because eventually things come full circle and you can tie things together and relate them right so here is a little history lesson in nineteen eighties mid seventies late eighties. Venezuela was an unbelievably wealthy country especially in the mid seventy s. They had a as much oil as the middle east. They were part of opec and so when the opec oil embargo happened in the us. Remember and seventy three seventy four. So you guys aren't old enough but if you remember if you're old enough to remember gas lines and gas rationing and is an odd day or even day. Can i buy gas. Today is how we did it in. America because of the oil crisis forced on us by opec and venezuela was part of the opec group that forces also so for the us economy. It was rough but for the oil producing countries. It was it was happy days. Are here again. They were making tons of money. Okay and the saudis. Were getting fat. The emirati were getting fat. Even the russians were getting fat. And the venezuelans were all making tons of money. Now what happens when you have enough capital and opportunity flow into a system. The way they did in venezuela. Is you get corruption. you don't have to want it. You have to invite it. You're gonna get it you know have corruption is just part of the deal. There's a lot of money and their constitution. Unlike our's didn't have some of the same checks and balances. There were a lot of oligarchs for lack of a better way to say a lot of monopoly type of businesses that controlled many things and you could buy and sell a congressman that kind of thing in venezuela or whatever. Their national assembly thing was. There was a lot of corruption and corruption was had created a lot of what we have here. And this is what happens. Is you get to a low. Trust society right. We don't trust the courts. Don't trust the media. We don't trust the police re don't trust the banks we don't trust anything and the venezuelan society had moved into a place of a low trust society because of the corruption in the government. Well that low trust society created an environment where people thought about doing a coup. And who saw this was one of the guys who he was a Military colonel i believe. I don't think he was. Generally as a colonel doesn't matter military leader. In one thousand nine hundred two hugo chavez decided he was going to try and takeover venezuela with a military coup going to replace this corrupt government with what he saw as a righteous government and like most young ideologues. He probably probably thought he was doing. We tried to take over. The government tried to force a military coup in one thousand nine hundred two now. That didn't succeed. Nf standing on the on the steps of the capitol saying to people. i apologize. our efforts didn't make it. We're not in power here. We didn't succeed and as he was giving the speech pretty much right after he was arrested and put in prison two years later. One thousand nine hundred four candidates sympathetic to hugo chavez and the revolutionary idea gets elected a year later. Maybe years later thing was one thousand nine hundred six this same candidate who is elected releases hugo chavez and everybody else involved in the coo coo releases them from prison in clears their criminal records so now. They're he's out of prison and he's they've clearly criminal record while the corruption that he originally started the coo over wasn't any better in venezuela six years later you know so in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight hugo chavez announced that he was running for president of the country and in the first election the he was running against the the basically to corrupt power parties or empower. Everybody knew that they were both corrupt. It wasn't like there. There was no loyalty to these parties. They had kind of sprung. They've been there but the everybody they were corrupt and switched power back and forth. But it really was your people say. There's no difference between the republican. The democrats not true but in minnesota there really wasn't much difference between corrupt party. Want so he go. China's runs for the presidency and wins in one thousand. Nine hundred. eighty eight wins. Well what does he do. He does what every communist dictator does. He starts. Implementing socialism right. He nationalizes the oil companies nationalizes. The banks nationalizes everything. That is really important. He says these guys can't be trusted with this these companies. They're dirty rotten capitalist with the profit motive. They're going to hurt people. We need to take this over. Make this the people resource so they did. Well if you have a robust oil industry like they did and in any industry there are expenses to maintaining the industry and part of the expenses is having professionals on your team who understand how that industry works right and people who understand this stuff. Don't work for free right. They got to get paid and they don't get paid and just a little a lot right and so you have this oil company. That's got execs in it. Who understand global operations global distribution. They understand the infrastructure and capital requirements. That are going to be coming on the business and her. Stand all this stuff. What is covered. Do fires them. They're corrupt business. People there profiteers. They're making too much money. Let's get rid of all of them many looks at all the upgrades and things necessarily make the oil industry and he says that's too expensive. We need we need to do a better job with education food and basic housing. So we're not going to invest in the infrastructure here for oil industry that finals all thing and we're going to invest in this other stuff. Well the the quiz like you know your car needs an oil change and you say you know what i'm not gonna do the oil changes but i'll tell you what i gonna do. I'm gonna repulsive the backseat down the road. You got the nicest backseat of anybody. But you're run and this is what happened the venezuelan economy and it didn't take long time a matter of two three years. The venezuelan economy had completely collapsed. We saw fast the economy turnaround under president. Trump here it could turn around the other direction just as fast and the same happened in venezuela they put in place these Communistic laws communist are a communist right put in place these collective type of laws that remove incentive in the economy. And what happened. The economy tanked so comes around. They they were six year election cycles. Their five year presidencies to be in with job gets elected six months into the presidency. He votes to have the vote chains. A lot of making a six year term gives them an additional year. Okay fine two thousand four comes aroung. It's time for chavez to run for reelection right and by now Charges pretty unpopular in venezuela. Okay trump is not the guy anybody wants to know in venezuela he is. He's a problem. He's he's a big issue and he's not popular and internationally the international observers. Who were who were looking at the election. At that point said that that the polling they were doing inside of venezuela had hugo chavez pulling eight percent some as high as twelve percent but the vast majority of people didn't want to continue in power. So they have this election coming. You think my goodness if that's a fair free election this guy can't win right because eighty percent of the vote. How does that happen well. Same way that kim jong un gets ninety nine percent of the vote and the chinese premier. It's ninety nine percent of the vote and you know the castros always got nine percent about the same way. That's how he has got this big percent of the exact same way. They did it the same way. They've always done other cuban communist countries right. They stole the election now. Everybody knows everybody knows that. These kami You know banana republic countries at the elections aren't fair. Everybody knows this is not news to you. It's not news to me. It's not news to anybody right well. The way they did it in. Venezuela is the election that swept chavez into power in ninety eight. Was the first election anywhere in the entire world. That was done all by computer. Tabulated boat counting. I ever chavez one now. Maybe he didn't win fair and square. Maybe you did. The has became enamored with electronic voting. So by the time the two thousand four election came around. The cia visas in venezuela had formed a new company and a new electoral electoral process. Commission is what they called it. I believe i might be wrong. That does matter to an electoral board in the venezuelan government. We have three branches judiciary the legislative and the executive they formed the elections division as another branch of government that oversight over the others and the other side another check and balance. The election board was a separate part of the of the thing well in so doing. They established a company called smart maddock. Smart a us company. They used a company called smart matic and smart matic and sequoia systems became the company that was involved in running the voting system. Minnesota well this same company and so we go to the new york times. Now bring up to speed on this This is two thousand article from the new york times. So this is a you know. Fourteen years ago. This predates president trump. It predates joe biden predates the current controversy. This is back when people were concerned that the bush administration because of some relationships with debold or somebody else we're gonna agree cooking elections and so the left was concerned about this in america at that point. Here's what the article says from new york times. The federal government is investing the takeover last year leading american manufacturer eletronic voting systems by a small software company has been linked to leftist venezuelan president. government of president hugo chavez the is focusing on minutes waylon owners of the software company. The smart matic corporation and is trying to determine whether government caracas has any control or influence over the firm's operations. So it says the agree on the eve of the midterm elections being conducted by the committee on foreign investment in the united states or cfius. The committee's formal inquiry into smart matic and is subsidiary sequoia voting systems oakland. California was first reported. Saturday in the miami herald officials both smart matic. Venezuelan government strongly denied yesterday president chavez's administration. Which has been bitterly at odds with washington has any role in smart matic quote the government of venezuela doesn't have anything to do with the company aside from contracting it for our electoral process the venezuelan ambassador said so these guys are are owned in venezuela in part there have a subsidiary in oakland Sequoia voting systems a us company minutes venezuelan company. Okay so what. That's two thousand six fourteen years ago. Who cares who cares about some fourteen year old article from the new york times. Does that matter come on. Kelly give me some relevant two thousand twenty who on the trump election. Let's talk about that. Okay let's see well mcclatchy news services another pretty well respected news service article march twenty four th two thousand nine. It is Article most electronic. Voting isn't secure. Experts say experts. So here says the cia which is been monitoring foreign countries use of electronic voting systems again. This is march twenty fourth two thousand nine eleven years ago have reported apparent vote rigging schemes in venezuela macedonia ukraine and a raft of concerns about the machines vulnerability to tampering during last month before a us election. Assistance commission field. Hearing in orlando florida. A cia cybersecurity experts suggested the venezuelan president hugo chavez and his allies fixed a two thousand four election recount an assertion that could further royal us relations with the latin leader. The money still set. According to a transcript of his hour long presentation that mcclatchy obtained i follow the vote and wherever the vote becomes an electron and touches a computer. That's an opportunity for malicious actor. Potentially to make bad things happen. Two thousand nine. Cia says let's not use electronic voting systems so we come back from the break. I have some stuff to show you about how these electronic voting systems have been abused and misused and then will relate that directly to the way. They've been abused and misused in this current election to apparently steal the election from donald trump and a disturbing and back in an back. Welcome back to keeping again kelly. I am the program trying to look at the camera and anyone watching stuff to work on this company. We welcome to the show. Those renew the way. This works reporting soul. I ask people to help with three things and he told us no big swift production company behind this. Tom sold i'm on my own. 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Regardless thank you and you know you are catch up with you later today so now this election system so what has been the result of that and is there anything that we should be. I mean should we be concerned about has have they hacked it anywhere else. I guess the question. I mean you know it's one thing to say that we think that the venezuelan company hacked venezuelan election. And all that. But you know this software. It's a software company right so they sell software and more than one place and we should probably be able to get some kind of an idea of whether or not they are Had difficulties in other areas right. Well turns out that in venezuela itself. The had a problem and here is them reporting on that. Let's see if this works. Hi everybody thank you very much For being here. I'd like to teach because provided election technology and support services in venezuela since two thousand and four evening moments of the political conflict and division. We have being satisfied that the voting process and the account has been completely accurate. It is therefore with the deepest regret that we have to report that. The turnout numbers on sunday. Thirtieth of july for the constituent assembly in venezuela were tampered with base on the robustness of our system. We know without any doubt that the turnout of the reason election for national constituent assembly was manipulated. It is important to highlight that similar. Manipulations are mating manual elections in many countries but they go undetected because of a lack of electronic security and auditing safeguards. So what happened. Why can't we stand by the results of breeze venezuelan elections where we cannot endorse the elections. Last sunday are ultimately election system is designed to make to make it when results or manipulated however there must be people. Auditing the system and watching for that evidence. During the national constituent assembly elections there were not auditors from the opposition parties as they did not want to participate through own came out with an audit would allow any everyone to know the exact participation. We estimate the difference between the actual participation and the one announce by the authorities is at least one million votes. It is important to point out that this would not have occurred if the auditors of all political parties have been present at every stage of the election. Reggie so boom boom. Let me him. Let me translate that again. I wanna make sure you understood what he said he said because of the use of electronic system they could catch the tampering in a way that they could have never caught it with paper ballots. Now that's partly true partly not true. You can catch you with paper ballots if you do a hand audit but in scale. There's no way to look at a room full of ballots and say well percents of were cast beyond these. You know after the deadline because there's electronic way to view all those you could hand hand view them all and then you would know but there's no no way to view them in mass. And so what he's saying is that their system provides a way to catch tampering. The system only works if somebody from each side is reviewing the process. If you don't have somebody from both sides reviewing the process then you have the potential for tampering. If a potential for the vote to be hacked and so That's what happened in minnesota and is with the other thing he said is is that they're reported count was off by a million. Now what's a million in our country would be a big deal. Were three hundred twenty nine million people. I don't know what the population of venezuela's but it's considerably smaller. So they're all by one million. That's you know whatever. I if there's a third of us it's the same as three million here right. There are a fifth of us is the same as five million here. These are large large numbers that the software is able to be Gamed into making the mistake on if you will whether that's intentional or unintentional doesn't matter the preventative from both sides. Inspection from both sides has been prevented all the way. So let's learn a little more. These software systems. Okay now again. This is all. Let's go back to go in order here so Re disa- mature at this right here on the last time. We heard about flipped votes for american. Last time heard a flip votes Was in venezuela's two thousand and four fraud plagued recall referendum. That's what we just played the video clip from right and says that computer scientists from stanford her stanford uc santa cruz. John hopkins and harvard. All found evidence of vote flipping statistically speaking besides their conclusions that it was just to school impossibility a well-known pollster penn shown in berlin taking exit polls at the time of the found that sixty percent were in favour of throwing chavez out forty percent wanted to keep him much to his surprise. The scorecared came out and almost the exact reverse fifty eight to forty two in the final election on exit polls. And so says. Here's what there's reasons the reason is because there are machines that flip-flop votes okay. Now sounds crazy right. sounds crazy. So here's what it says is unlikely to be hidden in a human readable language like java c pearl plus plus and they could read and point out. It's more likely that incipient season be hidden in a compiler perhaps to reassign operations that adjust by some fraction very few people in the industry wide open. Pandora's box to inspect the elements few would be qualified at cetera. This gets into a whole bunch of tech jargon that we don't want to get into here because it's gonna lose us in the weeds. But the upshot is that all of these Known electronic fraud things all of them all of them that are known about come back to the same companies software all the fraudulent elections around the world that we know about all the ones that that mathematicians and cia people in experts say. This can't be that result could not happen. You don't have a thirty five percent increase in voting. Turnout doesn't happen in a two year period. You don't have twenty five points swings in people's affection for an idea set mathematicians. Look at these things go. Yeah that's so. Far out of the statistical norm that it doesn't work and every time they can they can find that it's related to this company and the company is smart matic which is owned. Now by dominion was acquired by dominion software and so in in two thousand five sequoia was required by acquired by smart matic and now Dominion denies having anything to do with smart mattock but they own sequoia systems. That acquired smart matica so three years ago wall street journal had an article about this. And here's what the wall street journal had to say. Three years ago and says in venezuela says iras peres. Aw rigas travelled by canoe for three hours to deliver the paper receipts showing a total of two hundred twenty. Five votes cast for the state governor in his hamlet then he passed them to his aunt who drove a further hundred and fifty miles to the ball of our state capital when the official count was released just days after the october fifteenth election. However there were four hundred seventy one votes. The government's candidate it wasn't just mister peres. The opposition party election monitor. Who noticed the rule the ruling socialist. Party's own election supervisor now. Cassava realized that to this is illegal said luciana mendoza. The election supervisors who showed the wall street journal. Voting machine receipts to count it just a third as many votes from the hamlet as reported by the electoral authorities. They say bring justice but instead they commit fraud translation. Let me say it again. They the guy carried two hundred and twenty five votes from his town. That's how many there were there. Were two hundred and twenty-five not two hundred twenty six now. Two hundred twenty four. There were two hundred and twenty five votes from his town. The official count showed four hundred. Seventy one the over vote difference was for chavez. This is exactly more my words. This is exactly what happened in georgia. This is exactly what happened in pennsylvania. This is exactly what happened in wisconsin in georgia trump was leading. So what do they do they. They made up a phony. Our idea about a water main break. That never broke to shut down the voting so that they could bring in the additional ballots. That's what they did so now we we move on and this dominion voting systems is a canadian company. Headquartered in denver there one of three companies that are that are involved in our election security and implemented north carolina. Nevada georgia michigan pennsylvania. All the states. Where an issue dominion is there now. Here in the state of washington dominion is is used and we just had a reelection of jay. inslee that Frankly i expected jay inslee to win but the margin i found to be unbelievable and so it'll be interesting to see if an audit is done of the vote here or of the. It's done everywhere. I would assume that if we can determine fraud actually occurred with these systems that literally every place where they were used would have to. We'd have to be challenged at some level. I would think So i used in new mexico in two thousand thirteen used in nevada in two thousand seventeen. According to a penn wharton study. They reached seventy one million voters in sixteen hundred thirty five jurisdictions in the us in two thousand sixteen. Okay so now. The in two thousand ten and two thousand and thirteen dominion was sued and They lost litigation. We're smart matt. Glitches alleges the impact of the two thousand and ten thousand thirteen election mid-term elections in the philippines raising questions about for cheating and fraud and independent review of the source codes use. The machines found multiple problems which included the software inventory provided by. Smart matic is inadequate which brings into question. The software's companies reliability asked to provide evidence to investigators. Smart matic provides inadequate evidence. Now none of that means it's smart. Matic cheated this time. Does it none of that. Means that but apparently At least you know rudy seems to think that does mean now whether he's right or not. I guess we'll we'll determine but he seems to think that it does and part of the reason is because of things like this and this is a piece of video of the election official in milwaukee who's in charge of is heard about these one hundred thirty thousand votes that were transport transported midnight right or one hundred sixty thousand votes that were driven across town. So what happened is they were. They were coming to a collection center and then they were tabulated. And then the vote. The ballots and the tabulation was driven across town under armed guard. And they will say well. That's the way it's supposed to be well. Maybe except that the tabulation is supposed to be supervised and is supposed to be supervised by both parties. Here is some video of those hundred sixty thousand votes being run through the machine by one individual. The milwaukee ahead of elections ran those hundred and sixty thousand votes through the machine by herself with no observers next to her. The only people there are press observers filming from a distance. And you'll see that in the film serves a camera. Walking toward a woman is standing in the background. Those you on the podcast and saw audio stream in the bad at a terminal the terminal and she is looking at the screen and machine whatever that means operating the machine and she's reading out what's in there not real into nobody near her. So whatever's on that screen. No one can see sites you photographers. Back and forth talkers. Impress people kept backing under row. There's one woman back you're operating machine. And this is apparently the head of milwaukee elections operating the machine and this is the woman who after those roads tabulated hundred and sixty thousand votes. Were during across town. Atta the count. Well where's the republican observer whereas the democrat observer or is worse even another poor it's four. Am she's there by herself. She's been running these votes through the machine by herself and she drives him across town. There added the total. There's no observers. And so what did the guy say in venezuela our systems only work. If there's someone there to check to see that's the only way they work otherwise. Our systems are subject to fraud and fraud. Folks is exactly what's happened this time. Way back with more of that being stolen from us concealed him. Podcast question i've got on my mind is Cooking really congress not sell senate fifty four to forty four wouldn't says america lawyer role momentum and conservative country fundamentally four of wall molly four things like free and fair elections were four things like free speech even if the speeches bothersome to you. We're four that stuff we're not for any kind of way of doing it right for lack of a better thing to call him. He just call it the comedy thing because it's so so dismissive but the communist way the totalitarian -tarian way of thinking where government makes all your decisions about what you think what you believe what you do. I'm kinda personally not on for that in a big way and that's probably where to somebody but So they have tampered with the vote and a rudy says so some say well i think one of my friends said the other day i really saw crap. Okay well that's fine. You can think he's full crap but the question i have for his. Why why do you think res for crap. Do you know something about rudy. That i don't know. Is there some reason that route is not trustworthy. You know i don't. I other than association with president trump. Which people like. I don't know of a time. Where rudy wasn't truthful with people or or you know he hasn't been busted for crime. He hasn't been disbarred. There's been no acusations of fraud. The bora thing was obviously a setup. He's not even you're not even a hint of sexual impropriety about the guy that at least that i know of Doesn't mean there isn't. I just don't know about it but i. I don't understand why the hostility would be to rudy either way here. He is so mr mayor. One of the things that a lot of our viewers have asked about is particularly this diminutive voting software. This software that was used in michigan and in antrim county. They had joe biden up by thousands of votes. They claim there was a software. Glitch was discovered it was fixed and then it turned out. The president trump was actually up by thousands of votes. We know that you and your team have been investigating this at this at the present time. Do you have any whistle. Blowers inside dominion who. You're speaking with well. I wouldn't call whistle blowers we we have a. We have a person who's come forward with an affidavit inside of gaming in grad has said that the million observed the hundred thousand phony balanced abroad. Inner four o'clock in the morning on november says that we're all by balance that appeared by every measure would be phony balanced. Stay broaden backdoor. They went out of the property owners. Sticking out of the paper bags and cardboard and they were told that east war balanced renita to catch up and trump trump was too far ahead when they were counted. They were all counted shaver of biden. Woman who has given us an david working dominion shed that and she saw not a single trump vote there for four or five hour meeting to her to be a horrible corrupt. When she reported nothing was done about she was told wasn't business. So that's that's that's not a whistle blower on the record in our lawsuit in michigan which feel pretty good about the loss of a hundred thousand vote fraud. Do we have other witnesses to that somewhat. Reluctant to come forward right now. Yes we can probably corroborate that three or four times. So i think they've finished on that. I think that's something that actually happened. One hundred thousand votes in all biden votes was not even a vote for another democrat. Kay so one hundred thousand votes are all biden village. They weren't you know they're over another democrat so then another this runoff. Election here with jonathan. These guys in georgia. And i think that was he was talking about pennsylvania there but if they had really focus a little more they cooked the books on more elections is what rudy san because a lot of these Ballot or by only ballots. He has to be read too. But i live again. There's some really excellent reporting on this and it's in it's in written form and there there's no video or audio on it and i don't want to miss it because it's really. This is really good stuff and bear with because this gets a little technical but it's again it's the truth that sometimes is complicated and we can live in the jake tapper soundbite world if we want but i prefer not to enjoy giving example here on the screen here. Got jake tapper tweet yesterday. Fourteen hours ago Latest insanity from hill republicans house. Gop leaders timber. Carthy says about president elect joe biden. I don't know of healey president. I don't know he'll be. He'll be present january twentieth mccarthy says because he knows what's going on and so jake tapper puts it out that that's that's insanity apparently right and the democrats will do anything they can distract us from recounting and examining this vote in portland or find city to the south of seattle here. No way out on the left coast. Those the rest of the country mayor ted wheeler yesterday. Here's the priorities in portland. The language of documents that guide the city should reflect our community today. The council council authorized the city. Auditor removed feminine and masculine terms from the city charter. This important step will make our documents more inclusive of all gender identities so the mayor of portland is focused on inclusive gender identities. Well there's riots in streets there and these guys insane. So but i'm gonna you're gonna not be the person who thinks in terms of two second sound soundbites bear with me while we get into this dominion voting systems stuff because this is an argument. I want to make sure this is a podcast that you could share with people and the arguments are here so here. It is jeff carlson who is becoming fast one of my favorite reporters in the epoch times which is also becoming faster publication. I am respecting quite a bit. I haven't seen their reporting to be wrong yet. Sometimes a little hyperbolic but not wrong so jeff. Carlson says software equipment from dominion voting systems. Using this month's presidential election has been the source of ongoing controversy with one legal declaration made by plo observer georgia state wide primary earlier this year hall highlighting multiple problems. So when brad's ravensburger the secretary of state announced the hundred and six million dollar election systems purchase dominion last year in july. Critics contended that the new system was subject to some of the same security. Vulnerable does want. He was replacing. So he's putting this new election system and they're saying the reason we're doing this because our old election system isn't safe so people are saying well you're spending on one hundred six million dollars in this one. Has the same problems. Okay so in october. Eleventh order just prior weeks prior to the presidential election. Us district judge. Amy totenberg agreed with the concerns associated with the new dominion voting system. Love october eleventh. Just a few weeks ago month ago. Judge amy totenberg agreed with the especially new divinity voting system writing that the case presented serious security vulnerability and operational issues that may pay a place plaintiffs and other voters at risk of deprivation of their fundamental right to cast an effective vote. That has accurately counted folks. This is so important every illegal. Vote reduces the effectiveness of your illegal. It dilutes year legal. Vote every vote. That's phony a dead person that comes in late. It reduces the effectiveness of your legal. Vote the vote that you properly cast the vote that you took the time to agonize over pray about and all that that becomes less effective with every with every illegal vote right so despite the course misgivings totenberg ruled against replacing the system right before the election noting noting that the implementation of such a sudden systematic change under these circumstances cannot but cause motor confusion and some real measure of electoral disruption so three weeks before the election. Judge says. yeah that's systems. That's messed up but even more before you not to use so go ahead. In august twenty four th declaration from harry hurts her. St he's an expert in in electronic voting security according to paper here. And i trust the about times checked his background so i'll leave that here. Maybe he's wrong maliciously for the sake of discussion. That he's a good guy. Okay of her. Sti had been an authorized expert in inspecting observing another the coalition for good governance and so he summarizes finding those following. So here's what the guy says. The expert number one the scanner and tabulation software settings being employed to determine which votes count on hand mark. Paper ballots are likely causing intentioned votes. Be counted so the software is setting aside. Good vote number two. The voting systems being operated in fulton county in a manner that escalates the security risk to an extreme level fulton county is atlanta atlanta. Fulton cobb county. Atlanta voters are not reviewing the ballot marking device printed ballots which causes amd generator results beyond audible trustworthy audit trail during the observation of peachtree christian church in atlanta hersi noted that the scanner would vary in the amount of time it took to accept or reject a ballot her stated that a dedicated system should not experience variable delays and noted that we are always suspicious about unexpected variable delays as those are common telltale signs of many issues including a possibility of unauthorized code being executed hershey reserve varying process times at different locations further raising concerns as identical physical devices should not be a differently while performing the dental task of scanning a ballot. You translate that a little bit on a dedicated machine. That's not connected to the internet running the exact same process. The two machines should take the exact same amount of time. It's only the connection to the internet or some other kind of code. That's president one machine. That's not in the other machine that will cause a delay in other words. if they're getting differ result there is actually a different process in those machines her. She stated in his sworn statement against sworn statement affidavit deposition under penalty of perjury. I do solemnly swear sworn statement hershey's sworn statement that his presence was requested by two poll-watchers at the fan plex polling location are observing certain unexplained anomalies upon arriving hersi observed that for reasons unknown on multiple machines while voters were attempting to vote the ballot marking devices. Sometimes printed test ballots as her during the election day. The ballot marking device should not be processed or printing any ballot other than the one. The voters voting stated. This was indicative of a wrong configuration. Given to the ballot marking device. The issue also raises other questions as minds. Number one widen device print only test balance number. Two how can the device changes behavior in the middle of election day number three is incorrect configuration originating from the electronic poll book system number four. What are the implications for the reliability of the printed ballot and the qr code being counted during runoff elections on the night of august. Eleven so this is just in two months ago. Her she was president at the fulton. County electronic election preparations center to observe the quote upload of the memory devices coming in for the district's to the dominion election management system server during this observation. Her he noted that quote system problems were occurring and the dominion technicians operating system. We're struggling to the the upload process. This is two months ago on the exact same system that ran in that was used in georgia that a judge said a month three weeks ago a month ago. They probably shouldn't use because they had so many problems so he went down to the election system. They're having issues with uploading. He says that it appeared the dominion personnel. Were the only ones with knowledge of and access to the dominion server as hersi status declaration in my conversations of gilstrap another fulton county elections department. Abc personnel they profess to have limited knowledge of or control over the election management system server and its operations so the people running the elections said. Yeah we don't know how that works. That's a black box to us. We don't know how it works. It's just a they we hire them. They do it. We don't how it works provokes vote-counters notice the people who are the vote counters or pointing to the cyber saying well there the vote counters k. Her noted that this. Wholesale outsourcing of the operation of voting equipment of the vendors personnel was quote highly unusual in my experience and of grave concern from a security and conflict of interest perspective hearst for dominion onsite operation and acts as as an elevated risk factor. Her she also noted that the dell computers running the dominion cer- appeared not to have been hardened the process of securing a my reducing it software vulnerability her. She said he founded unacceptable her. An ems sir not to have been hardened prior to installation. So let me give you a little bit of translation on that. Everybody has a memory. Stick right we've all had memory sticks memory cards right. I think i got here this one right here. This is awesome this when the gift for my sister so little in. Usb up the camera shooting has usb stick. It looks like a guitar. Cool right. And i use it in a present for my sister and i use it sometimes to move things one computer to another or from one place to another Put a proposal on our presentation going into somebody else's place using their machine disease right. What happens when you stick a little. Usb thing what happens you will sound right little ding meaning whatever little sound and then the next thing is the window opens out for the for the the folder. Right your little drive now. What that's called in the computer terms is mounting drive. You have mounted a drive now. You can set your computer in such a way that when you put the memory drive in the computer will not mount it. You have to tell the computer to mount it now. Why would that be important. Why would it be important to have a the system. Not mount the drive. Well let's say. I take this little by little guitar. Usb thing here and it's got some militias code on it. Well if i put it in the computer and it mounts to drive the malicious code goes it's right. That's all these happened if the drive is mounted the code. Can't you pulled onto their right. And so what they found in looking at these is none of the dell computers had been set up in such a way to prevent external code and things to be from being executed by anybody and so Ms reed again finishes up voting system. This is hearst. He quote dominion voting. System is new to georgia than windows. Ten operating system of at least the main computer in the rack has not been updated for four years and carries a well known a range of well known and publicly disclosed vulnerabilities. Are you kidding me. You i mean if you don't have your machine set up to automatically update you're you're a moron because there's new vulnerabilities excuse. My french there's vulnerability is discovered with these things every day. Right and the responsible companies. And that's windows mac. The software vendors and most microsoft all the different care who you're us into it quickbooks. Whatever when they're vulnerable. He discovered their software. They released patches right because if they don't they've got huge liability so they released patches to fix them and what the what the guy saying. Is that the main computer running. The software in georgia hadn't been updated on the operating system for security vulnerabilities in four years. This is an unsecure system by anybody's measurement. Now let's just say for sake of discussion that it was an unsecure system but let's say the system is systems. Superstrong right got a must have all kinds of rolling encryption and difficult passwords and audit trails and all. That kind of stuff ought to be in it right. Well guess what guess what. Dominion software uses to count two private keys that would allow somebody to control their systems remotely and those two private keys are used in all of their systems in every location and because of that there's no audit trail. You can't tell who made a modification you can just tell that a modification was made. But you can't tell who. You can't tell where you can't tell when you can't tell anything so the question that i have on the table is now that we know this. And along with the fact that the courts of thrown out all the late ballots in some places. I don't know if we're going to have a new election but it kind of feels like maybe we should have a new election sauna. Just show you pull up the electoral map here. And i want to give you a sense of where we're at today Because here's what's going to happen. And i believe this with all my heart you can go ahead and correct me if i'm you know laugh at me later okay. Georgia is a trump state. North carolina is a trump state. Florida is a trump state and arizona is a trump state and iowa. Okay and ohio. None of these are really question. These are toss ups here on this map but this is how they're going to go. Post recount minimum. Okay now. I think that trump won michigan and i think trump one wisconsin. And i think it's the same three hundred and four one last time. I also think there's a possibility that we may find out. That trump flipped virginia. We'll see that one. I'll leave in the light blue column at this point but the reality is this is how i see the map. I see trump winning three hundred and four to biden's two hundred and three. And i think after the election after the the hand recounts and the fraud is all out of it. We're not only going to see. The trump won the two hundred seventy electoral votes. I think we're gonna see that. He won the general election and that the dominion software and Just plain old fashioned driving ballots in late and bringing ballots and after the deadline between all of that were to see the trump on the popular election. And we'll see. Maybe i'm wrong and and you can laugh at me shortly but i don't think so. I think this is exactly where it's going. The books had been cooked. And these are big claims made by big people and big people. Don't make these kind of big claims not at least in mass and there's really really smart people were saying the exact same thing so i'll leave you with a trump donald trump.
Ep. 341 - Venezuela Is Bernies Utopia
"Venezuela descends into further chaos as people starve and tanks crush protesters. But socialists in the United States, like Bernie Sanders and Alexandria, ocasio Cortez refused to admit that Venezuela. Is there utopia the logical conclusion of their awful ideas? We will examine how socialism ruined that country and others, then Democrats senators try and fail to grill. Attorney general William bar over the Muller report will check in on that finally academics in Great Britain declare pedophilia normal and natural. I'm Michael Knowles. And this is the Michael Knowles show. This is going to be a very of normal and unnatural show discussing all of those things. We'll get to them in a second. I there's a lot of things in life that aren't right that aren't normal that aren't natural carpet and showers eating dip with your fingers, chunky style milk and paying too much for your phone Bill. That is not right. That is wrong. But thanks to mobile. 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Rammed into a group of protesters gutless. Just one of several violent clashes between security forces and thousands of anti-government protestors this has been going on for weeks and weeks and months and months now, why is it going on because of socialism? This is socialism the tanks running over the protesters is socialism. This is the logical conclusion of socialism it was ever thus. This is the conclusion of what Alexandria Casio Cortez. And Bernie Sanders are offering not tomorrow not the next week not the week. After that. Luckily, America has a strong culture and economic and political heritage of freedom. So it's not as though Bernie Sanders would get elected and then the next day you'd have tanks running over people in the street, but given enough time and given enough success at implementing the agenda that they are proposing the tanks crushing the people in the streets is. The logical conclusion. What does socialism look like looks like violent clashes in the streets in Venezuela. Looks like the opposition leader down there. One guy. Doe calling on the military to overturn the government there. They Madero regime. It looks like CNN now being taken off of the airwaves by the government, which is proof positive that. Every storm cloud has a silver lining. Not everything is bad down there. But most things are very bad. Doctors have injured or rather or treating fifty injured people right now just from those clashes yesterday. That includes a woman who was shot in the abdomen. There's gunfire obviously, the tanks Amnesty International is reporting systemic oppression throughout that country, and for a long time now extrajudicial executions, so the Madero regime will go in in the middle of the night will drag people out who they think or threat to their political stability to to their political power. They will take them out, and they will kill them without any. Law without any trial without any due process. Just kill them. One third of Venezuelans are estimated, according to Amnesty International to eat one meal per day. Many Venezuelans go multiple days without eating in fact. There were interviews among the Miami Herald and other newspapers that talked to some of these Bennis Whelan's, and they will say they will just wait with hundreds and hundreds of people inbred lines at their churches to hope to get one meal every couple days in that bread lines. That's socialism for you inflation as a result of the government, not cutting spending of the government printing money of the government over promising and under delivering inflation in Venezuela. You hi, it's gone right now. I think inflation in the nineteen eighties. I think inflation in Venezuela hit about eighty percent. That's very high eighty percent. Inflation is a big deal. Those were the good old days compared to now right now inflation is about one point three million percent in Venezuela. The currency is worth nothing in January inflation rose up to about two point seven million percent. That's the conclusion of socialism. How did this happen? People. Forget now because we have short historical memories. We forget that Venezuela was a very rich country for most of the twentieth century. Venezuela was the richest country in South America. Now, it had periods of economic difficulties in the nineteen eighty s there was a huge spike in inflation not huge compared to today, but still it was significant. Why did those happen? We'll one Venezuela is largely dependent on oil prices so fluctuations in oil prices do affect the country also because when all that oil money started pouring in politicians and the government decided they could start buying off votes through socialism. Now at a certain point in the nineteen nineties you saw GDP declining. You saw inflation increasing. Then when the government's would decide to cut back on socialism start liberalizing the economy. Is start allowing a more free markets in all of a sudden you saw GDP start to increase again. You saw inflation start to curb again you so wages even rise. Then Hugo Chavez took over the socialist politician Hugo shabas campaigned in took power officially nineteen ninety nine. I'm actually old enough to remember when this happened. And I remember all the left-wingers loved Hugo Chavez. It was on the American media all the time. I've been a news hound since I was like two years old. And I remember Hugo Chavez was the big hope of all the leftists. It was always on the mainstream media that guy Sean Penn the famous actor loved Hugo Chavez, go down there all of these people so happy socialism has come to Venezuela you go. Shabas died in two thousand thirteen. As the economy collapsed as finally that poison ran its course now you see the results. This is the result of Hugo Chavez. This is the result of socialism. Why how did it happen? So shabas when he came to power in one thousand nine hundred nine relied on these massive oil revenues that he was getting to increase public spending and buy votes. So he would take all of this money, and then he would buy foreign food. It's not as though he was cultivating new new industries are were cultivating the economy. He would just use it to buy foreign food, and then subsidize that food for the people. So he's basically buying off the people with cheap food, then as a result of this plan, the foreign debt Venezuela quadrupled just under chevette as rain so debt is mounting. The economy is beginning to falter, what is shove as dude is he cut back public spending. No, of course, not does he curb socialism. No. Of course, not what he does is he seizes even more. Political power. So at this point, the only way like any Ponzi scheme, the only way to keep this going is to take more and more stuff. So Hugo Chavez decided to nationalize companies and farms and factories now nationalize is a really fancy leftist term that means steel so his regime, stole whole companies whole farms from people full factories as a result of this, by the way, Exxon Mobil and Conoco Phillips left the country Venezuela. So now, you've got international capital is pulling out because they can't be in this unstable region where this thug government is just gonna steal your property. So they start pulling out the economy continues to falter. So what is shove is do does he pull back on socialism? Of course, not he seizes even more political power in two thousand twelve not long before he died. He outlawed private gun ownership all throughout Venezuela. Let me tell you something. If those people who are being crushed by tanks right now. Had private gun ownership. They would not be being crushed by tanks because they would be shooting the military and the cops and the thugs who are oppressing them, and who are attacking them and who were killing them extra judicially. Now, this brings us to twenty thirteen. Shabas dies Madero. His hand picked successor takes power at this point. I actually almost feel bad for Madero because the poison of socialism had run. Its course there was very little that he could do the Bill for all that free stuff that Hugo Chavez was giving out finally came due and at the same time, a drop in oil prices man that the government couldn't even keep up the pretense of solvency the jig was up. So the one thing Madero could have done is he could have gradually cut spending. He could have shown that he was gradually willing to respect property rights. He was eager for foreign investment. He was going to deal responsibly with his government. And then maybe more money would have come in is that what he did. No. Of course, not because he's a socialist. So instead what he did is. He just started printing money like I love when politicians think they can just print more money. They this has never worked in all of history. It's not even really short term solution because the minute you start doing it. Everybody begins to distrust, your government, distrust your economy and very very quickly. You get hyper inflation, which is exactly what happened. The hyper inflation triggered this revolution. Because the money was worthless. And that revolution triggered the violent crackdown that you see from the government that you see from tanks rolling over citizens in Venezuela. This is not the first time. This has happened to socialist government. This always happens and socialist governments. This always has happened in the Soviet Union had happened, obviously North Korea it happened in other Latin American socialist, governments happened in China happened in all of these places this is socialism. And here's the scary number. According to Gallup polling the majority of young Americans support socialism, they look favorably on socialism. And according to that same poll only forty five percent of young Americans look favorably on capitalism, which is to say private property, which is to say, the free exchange of goods and services. Young America is far more socialist than capitalist. The good news is a lot of polls show that young Americans can't define socialism. That's a good thing. But why do they identify socialist? Why do they look on it favorably? It's because politicians like Bernie Sanders in Alexandria, ocasio Cortez or openly peddling this poisonous ideology. And what they say is our idea of socialism, it's like Iceland, it's like Denmark, it's like Sweden. It's not like Venezuela. No, no, no, don't don't look at Venezuela. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. No, no, look over here at the Nordic countries that is simply a lie. 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If a far more free market approach to education than even the United States has Iceland has a freer economy than the United States. According to the Heritage Foundation index for economic freedom. If AFC wants to be more like Iceland, then she ought to support freeing up the economy, not increased socialism, the Danish prime minister, former Danish prime minister, LARs, Rasmussen puts the point very clearly he says, quote Denmark is far from a socialist plan to Connie Denmark is a market economy. But what? And Bernie Sanders are pushing is a socialist planned economy. And you know, the it's so disingenuous if you hear Bernie Sanders or AFC talk about this. Bernie Sanders didn't have his honeymoon in Denmark. He didn't go on his honeymoon to Iceland. He went on his honeymoon in nineteen Eighty-eight the day after he got married to the Soviet Union. In fact, I'm sorry to say we have video of this Bernie Sanders. Shirtless. Drinking vodka singing commie songs with the riske's in the Soviet Union in one thousand nine hundred eight. I'm gonna rewrite it. I'm gonna do version of it. Which is this land is my land. This land is my land this land, not your land. This land is my land. That's going to be the song that I sing at the southern border. But that'll be for later show worry about that. Now Bernie Sanders was so enthralled with the Soviet Union with Soviet communism. The most repressive regime on earth one of the most repressive regimes in the history of the world that he took his honeymoon. There. Didn't wanna go to Scandinavia wanted to go there worse even than Venezuela and just to remind you that he's not pushing policies that would bring is land. He's pushing the policies of Latin America, it ran that same time three years. Earlier nineteen eighty-five Bernie Sanders was defending socialist bread lines in Latin America, twenty some journalist about the country of people of lining. That's good. Other countries. People light up food the rich. Get the food in the post off today. Red lines are good. Bread lines were good thing. In a lot of countries the rich get food in the poor starve to death. Right in socialist countries. That's what happens. That's what's happening in Venezuela right now. And if they don't starve to death, they run over by tanks that doesn't happen in the United States. Nobody starves to death in the United States. The biggest problem flicking the poor in the United States obesity. The problem among the poor in the United States is that they're eating too much. That's not what happens and socialist countries they starved to death while the rich and the well-connected in the cronies all benefit make no mistake the policies that they are pushing or they're not just leading to the road on the road to Venezuela. They are even radical by that standard just the green new deal. Just the green deal one policy that they're pushing co-sponsors AOC wrote it or self is. A full government takeover of huge swats of the economy. All of the healthcare system, radical socialist healthcare regime, then an outline of about ninety percent of the American energy industry, then a federal job guarantee program, you get rid of parts of the welfare state, and then you just have to work for the government. Then outlawing of planes trains and automobiles so you don't get to keep your car, then an outlawing of your home. And outlawing of all of the current buildings in the United States. Because according to the green new deal, which Bernie co-sponsors which AFC wrote we need to knock down every building in the country and rebuild it within ten years. As we eliminate ninety percent of the American energy industry. You can't even keep your own home. That's the kind of takeover we're talking about. That's what they're pushing. That's not Denmark. That's not Iceland. That's not Sweden. That has been as Walea that's worse than Venezuela, America's a richer country. America's a big country. America has better institutions America has a longer tradition of liberty. Okay. Venezuela was a rich country. Venezuela was a prosperous countries the most prosperous country in the region. And eventually steadily gradually socialism ruined it. Now, there are tanks crushing citizens in the street. Why does the left get away with this? How do we let the left get away with this? Part of why we've got a call at Bernie Sanders and AFC here is that the American left never apologized for its support of the Soviet Union. You had reporters in the New York Times and other newspapers in the early days of the Soviet Union saying I've seen the future and it works. You had reporters in those early days denying the whole dome were denying famines caused by Stalin denying all of the atrocities being committed by Stalin lying about it. Because they were so committed to the communist, cause in fact, the conservative movement, as we know it was founded because of those early reports about the Soviet Union. When you had American newspapers publishing about the Soviet Union. I've seen the future, and it works you then had William F Buckley junior. Start the flagship conservative newspaper national review magazine, rather with in the for first issue with the the thesis a conservative as one who stands were history. Yelling stop the communists. See the future, and it works and the conservatives they're saying stop, it doesn't work. It's not gonna work. It's it's evil even if it did work, but what does it mean to even work? Who let's say that socialism actually did work which it doesn't. Let's say socialism created a lot of economic prosperity and everybody had a lot of material goods, but it robbed you of all of your liberty it robs you of all of your institution's, your civic institutions, it exerted so much power of the federal government over you that your way of life, your culture your traditions were totally crushed. Who cares? How materially prosperous you are even if socialism worked it would be evil, but it also doesn't work. It also leads to widespread misery the American left candidate that they never apologized for the Soviet Union. They never apologized for their support Fidel Castro. Oh, the left loved Fidel Castro. They brought him to the United Nations in New York. Oh, they love these sometimes where his face until shirts. They wear shake Varas face on t shirts. Even today. Never apologized for that. These people in slaved an entire country and Cuba an American liberals where their faces on shirts like their Disney characters. They never apologized for the support of Hugo Chavez, go talk to Sean Penn. Go talked all a Hollywood leftists who loves Hugo Chavez, go talk to all the activists who loved Hugo Chavez. No apology. They can't ever admit. The logical conclusion of their ideas. It's happened time and time again Soviet Union China. Cuba, all around Latin America now Venezuela. The can't no no that was wrong socialism that was fake socialism. Next time, it will work just give it one more. Try. No more tries certainly not in the United States. Speaking of incoherent, leftism and a good way to smack down. We can switch gears over to attorney general William bar testifying on the hill today before the Senate Judiciary committee. He's being called to testify over the Muller report. Now, the Democrats are calling on attorney general bar to resign. What's the big takeaway here? The big takeaway is since the Muller report was released. Democrats have nothing they've got nothing. They bet the form on this Russia collusion thing. Two years more than two years. They bet everything on it. And it didn't happen. It didn't pan out. You had Eric swollen presidential candidates saying Trump is a traitor. We know that he colluded with the Russians didn't happen. And so now, what are they doing? They're grasping at straws. Now, they want to impeach William bar for some reason, the new attorney general so that I guess we'll get a new attorney general, and then the one PM to the other big takeaway from this hearing today is that it's all eater is all theater, this is why didn't lead with this story. If you tune into CNN right now, this is the biggest story on the top of the page, and you've got to pay attention. It doesn't really matter as in terms of the department of Justice in terms of the Russia investigation. In terms of the Trump administration doesn't really matter what it matters four is to show you the desperation of Democrats in the Senate. It's a story that people are talking about. But it's a story that matters only in so much as it's a bunch of hot air. It's important political theater. We have the mullahs report you can read the report I've read the relevant sections of it probably hundred fifty two hundred pages of it. That's enough. That's all you need to read. You can see no collusion. No obstruction. The report left open the question of obstruction. Most legal scholars, and certainly the legal scholars that we talked to Alan Dershowitz, those kind of people say even leaving open the question of destruction was pretty absurd even the framework of obstruction that Bob Muller is working with his pretty absurd. But regardless it's up to the department of Justice to determine whether or not obstruction occurred. The attorney general says it didn't occur the deputy attorney general rod Rosenstein, who is certainly no conservative Republican. He said no obstruction occurred. No, no indictments. No, nothing. So now, we're arguing over the summaries. And the press reports and the phone calls in the leaks in this. Why are we doing over any of that? We have the report itself you can read the report the report exonerates, President Trump. But they just can't let it go because they bet their whole two years on it. So now, they're trying to rehash anything around the edges of report. So the left needs a new boogeyman filling that role we now have attorney general William bar. They want him to be impeached, and they say he lied to congress. That's the basis for them calling for his impeachment. Okay. Let's take them at their word. They're saying he lied to congress. What did he lie about their saying that the last time he appeared before congress? He lied when he was asked the question of whether or not Bob Muller agrees with his conclusions about the Muller report. And here was William bars. Answer muller. Support your conclusion, I don't know whether Bob other supported my conclusions. Okay. He's asked the question does Bob Muller support your conclusions. What William bar? I wanted to say is. I don't care if Bob Mueller supports my conclusions. Bob, Muller's, not the attorney general, and I am what says I don't know if these supports the conclusions. Now, the Democrats are saying that was a lie. What is there evidence that that was ally a letter from Bob Muller to William bar leaked coincidentally, by the way it leaked the night before William bar testifies before the Senate. What coincidence, it's so strange wonder who could have. Leaked that letter. That was written by the Muller team. Two people have that letter Muller and bar. I don't think barley did. So somebody associated with Bob Muller leaked that letter. Okay. They're saying this is evidence that William bor- lied to congress. But what does the letter actually say does the letter show that Muller thinks that Boris conclusions were wrong, reduce agrees or agrees or the bar? Lied to congress will read the actual letter in a second. But first we gotta say about Facebook and YouTube go over to daily wire dot com. Ten bucks a month one hundred dollars for an annual membership. You get me you get the Andrew klavan show. You get the Ben Shapiro show. You get them at we'll show you get to ask questions in the mail bag coming up tomorrow, get them in you get to watch backstage, ask questions backstage, you get the another kingdom podcast and you get. This the leftist tears tumbler were about to get into some of that democrat questioning of William bar. We're about to watch William bar has a higher I q than every democrat member of this committee combined, and you're going to need the tumbler or else you're going to drown go to daily wire dot com. We'll be right back. What does the letter actually say Democrats think that this letter from Muller Tobar is evidence that bar lied to congress in that Muller does not agree with bars conclusions and that bar knew that Muller does not agree with Boris conclusions? Try to follow that here's what the letter actually says. From special counsel. Bob Muller, the summary letter the department sent to congress and released to the public late in the afternoon of March twenty four th did not fully capture concern. Capture. The concern the context nature in substance of this offices work and conclusions. There is now public confusion about critical aspects of the result of our investigation this threatens to undermine central purpose for which the department appointed the special counsel to assure full public confidence in the outcome of the investigations. Again to begin. Who cares? What? Bob Muller thinks about the release or the context, or whatever what matters is is the attorney general accurately relating the report. But who cares? What Muller thinks about the context or how many press conferences Barsha do Bill. Billboard does not answer to Bob Muller. The special counsel is not the attorney general. The attorney general does not report to the special counsel, the special counsel reports to the DOJ to the attorney general. The only question that matters here is the accuracy of the context or the summaries or whatever. Now the question is ambiguous. The letter says that Bill bars letter did not fully capture the context who cares. The nature. Maybe that matters and the substance definitely, maybe that matters of the offices work and conclusions. Three things context nature substance. If Bill bar didn't provide the context that Bob Muller wanted doesn't matter. If Bill bore inaccurately presented or relaid the nature of the investigation and conclusions. Maybe that does matter. What does what does Meller mean by nature here? Showing about the facts? Or is he talking about some ambiguous term and the substance? This is the one that really might matter if he is accusing William Barr of misrepresenting the substance of his conclusions. That's a very serious criticism. But did Muller is that what Muller means Miller's using pretty ambiguous terminology here. Well, billboard asked. This question today. He gives a very straight answer for Bob Muller the opportunity to review that letter before it went out, and he declined. On Thursday morning. I rec- I received it probably was received at the department Wednesday night or evening but on Thursday morning. I received a letter from Bob the letter that's just been put into the record. And I called Bob them. You know, what's the issue? Here are you? And I asked him if he was suggesting that the March twenty four th letter was an accurate, and he said, no. But that the press reporting had been inaccurate. And that the press was reading too much into it. And I asked them specifically what his concern was. And he said that his concern focused on his explanation of why he did not reach a conclusion on obstruction. And he wanted more put out on that issue. He wanted. He argued for putting out summaries of each volume the executive summaries that had been written by his office. And if not that then other material that focused on the issue of why he didn't reach the obstruction question. But he was very clear with me that he was not suggesting that we had misrepresented his report there. It is Bill bar gets the letter from Bob Muller saying that Bill bars letter to congress did not fully capture. The concerns about the context and the nature in the sub didn't fully capture and so Bob Barr. Call Bill bar Bill and Bob Billy, Bob Billy Bob Thornton Bill bar calls. Bob Muller and says, listen to bars, very precise language, are you suggesting that my letter to congress did not accurately portray? What was in your report? Are you suggesting that I was inaccurate in? How I talked to congress and Muller said, no, no, no, I'm not suggesting you work inaccurate. I'm suggesting that I want you to release more context, more summaries. More executive summaries of the report because in the Muller report, you have four hundred pages three hundred eighty something like that. And before each volume two volumes you have an executive summary. Now, the executive summary was very helpful. When that report was released, and I had to go on TV in about ten minutes. And so I had to quickly scan the executive summary. But clearly what Bob Muller wanted was for William bar to release that executive summary right away. And William Barr says no I'm not going to release multiple summaries, especially staggered over time that are going to confuse people. Now, it's not Bob Muller's. Call on what summaries, and how many press conferences, and how many press interviews he wants to give it seems from the leaking of Bob Muller's letter that he or somebody on his team is pretty familiar with talking to the press, but will William Barr is no we're not going to do that. And here's his reasoning. Why I told Bob that I was not interested in putting out summaries. And I wasn't going to put out the report piecemeal I wanted to get the whole report arrow, and I thought summaries by very definition, regardless of who prepared them would be under inclusive, and we'd have sort of a series of different debates and public discord over each Tronc of information that went out, and I wanted to get everything out at once and we should start working. That pre sound reasoning. And by the way, it turns out that bar was right Boris argument is if you release these things piecemeal and different summaries it's going to be endlessly ripped apart. Orig you about there's going to be a lot of controversy better to just give congress the quick view of things and then released the report when we can. And by the way, the only reason bar had to send that letter to congress in the first place, which obviously then came out to the public was because William bar asked. Bob Muller to send him over a report with the grand jury. Sections highlighted so that it would be much easier for the department of Justice to then go in and redact those areas because you're not allowed to release that grand jury information. There are multiple aspects of this report that you legally cannot release to the public. So he said, listen when you've got the grand jury information just highlight it so that it makes it easier for us to go through it Muller sins over four hundred page report without any of those annotations on it. And so William bar can't just release the report, you can't just say, okay? Well, I did a quick half hour past. There you go your four hundred pages everybody he had to go through it very meticulously as a matter of law. However because he had the report he also wanted to be transparent, and he knew that the media and the public were very interested in this report. So rather than wait weeks and weeks and and opened himself up to acusations. He was changing the report he was doctoring it. He wouldn't let it be released. He said. Four page letter to congress to keep them. Apprised of what was going on especially in their oversight role. And then he released the report is quickly as possible. We have the report you can read the report you can see whether the letter was accurate or inaccurate. It was accurate. Now, this this raises the question how was the Muller letter to bar released to the press? Seems pretty clear to me seems pretty clear to me that the Muller team is a little leakier than we thought. It was we were told through the whole investigation Muller. Never leaks Muller. Never leaks certainly appeared that way. But now beginning to question that and when Chuck Grassley the Republican Senator was questioning William bar bar raised this point specifically, what are you doing to investigate unauthorized media context by the department and FBI facials during the Russian investigation, we have multiple criminal leak investigations underway. Multiple criminal leak investigations under way, as it should be all of this is theater. You can see the report you can read the report. So now, the Democrats because they have nothing on the actual question. Try to defy bore. Trouble for them. This is the best part of watching this hearing this morning is that William bar is much smarter than all of these people combined. Here's. Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse trying to take a shot at bore the entirety of your previous career in the department of Justice, including attorney general have you ever referred to authorize department investigative activities officially or publicly as spying on not asking for private conversation. I'm not going to Jew or the use of the word spying? I think you know, my first job was in CIA. Don't think the word spying has any pejorative connotation rule to you. Is always whether or not it's authorized and adequately predicated spying? I think spying is of good English word that in fact doesn't have synonyms because it is the broadest word in incorporating really all forms of covert intelligence collection. So I'm not going to back off the words buying except. I will say when did you just think any pejorative, and I use it frequently as media as media, oh, it's just devastating and so bad, and obviously it's bad because William Barr uses very technical language here. He uses sophisticated language as I'm not going to obscure the term spying because I don't think it carries a pejorative. But then he he even makes the point clearer for the media, and everyone who's watching says, I think spying is a good English word. It has no synonyms because it's the broadest word you can use. And this was a masterstroke nobody is picking up on this. But this was a master. Or stroke for more than more reasons than one the whole debate over the last two years about Russia gate and the investigation and the counterintelligence investigation and the criminal all this has surrounded the question of the deep state. It has surrounded the question of spying, and what the Democrats have been saying is the deep state the spying was totally justified. All the FIS surveillance, totally justified and what the Republicans have been saying. This was an abuse the spying was bad spying awful. We shouldn't have people spying on each other. And the premise here of the the White House, Sheldon Whitehouse question the premise is that the spying is bad. So Sheldon Whitehouse without even realizing it is accepting the conservative premise, of course, it's bad to spy on your political opponents. Of course, of course, if there was spying, it's really bad. That's why we can't use the word spy. That's why we've gotta make up some new word, and we have to get rid of the word spine. What bar is pointing out here is that the democrat, Sheldon Whitehouse is accepting the Republican premise saying Senator Whitehouse, you're using the words spying though. It's a bad thing. I used to work at the CIA or government spies all the time spying on either. Good or bad spying, a totally morally neutral term the question is whether the spying was legal legitimate appropriate or whether it was inappropriate whether it was an abuse of power. Sheldon Whitehouse gives up the whole game here. He he's saying, oh, and of course, the spying is bad. No, no. I'm not using the word spying in a bad way. You're using it in a bad way. Why because you know, that the spying took place, you know, that the FIS warrants from the Trump campaign based on nothing based on democrat funded steel, dossiers and Russian disinformation. You know, that that spying was bad. You know that it carries a pejorative connotation. It's a subtle point. It's not going to be widely appreciated, but that point is going to matter in the coming weeks. So he fails he fails to take down bar Dianne Feinstein also tries to take her shot at bar. You still have a situation where president essentially tried to change. The lawyers account in order to prevent further criticism of himself. That's not a crime. And she just sort of stammers after that is. She's got nothing. There's an interesting point on language here as well. Which is you hear the Democrats trying to use all of this confusing? Jargon terminology trying to imply that certain activities like the relationship with the lawyer's end the clients, and the did that this is somehow nefarious. And then Bill bar comes very clearly he goes, that's not a crime. What crime are you alleging? I wish Bill bar had been around two years ago. The Donald Trump colluded with the Russians. There's no evidence that he did even if he did collusion is not a crime. There's no crime of collusion. He is ju- Bill bar is just the absolute Bs destroyer. He just decimates it with that totally blase look on his face. He looks like a board bulldog. He does remind me in many ways of Scalia when you would see Scalia rip apart bad arguments. He would do it with this kind of. Blase? Oh, well, the problem with your arguments completely wrong. That's what Bill bar is doing here. And they have no answer. You can see Diane Feinstein just stammer how homina homina what's the real reason at the end of all of the circus. The Democrats want bar out right now. What's the real reason? He's a bulldog. Now, maybe they're just desperate. They're grasping at straws. They need a new boogeyman. Sure. I think there's a more material reason to and it's William bars answer to this question from Lindsay Graham. Do you share my concerns about the warrant process? Yes. D- share my concerns about the counter intelligence investigation. How was opened in white was opened. Yes. You share my concerns that the professional lack of professionalism in the Clinton Email investigation, something we should all look at. Yes. Yes. Indeed. The investigators become the investigated, and the real injustice that took place over the last two years might soon be exposed because you've got this bulldog as highly intelligent, highly professional, highly trained bulldog. Now, turning the tables on the entire Russia narrative. So much more to get to will have to do it tomorrow so much to look forward to get your questions. In the meantime, I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael show. I'll see that. The Michael Knowles show is produced by Rebecca dob koets and directed by Mike Joyner executive producer, Jeremy boring, senior producer Jonathan. Hey. Our supervising producer is Mathis Glover, and our technical producer is Austin Stevens. Edited. By Danny d'amico, audio is mixed by Dylan case hair and makeup by Jessica ovarian and our production. Assistant is Nick Sheehan. The Michael Knowles show is daily wire production copy write daily wire 2019. Hey, everybody's Andrew claybin. Host of the Andrew klavan show. You know, a lot of MIR Putin may be a world class alcohol, and but he's done a big favor in Venezuela. He's putting on a video exhibition about why socialism as bad. Why gun rights are good and Donald Trump and his team of foreign policy. Tough guys may be the men of the hour. I'm Andrew klavan. That's on the Andrew klavan show.
Venezuela in crisis
"Venezuela is a country in freefall as economic mismanagement an international sanctions. Combine to create desperately difficult times for its citizens as global debate centers, on who's to blame successive, socialist governments or countries like the US, who are putting the squeeze on the government of nNcholas Maduro, people are struggling for basics like food and medicine. US correspondent Zoe Daniel has recently returned from Venezuela as gentlest Venezuela is not an easy country to work in media vases, difficult to get and even with them in hand report is closely monitored by the authorities and government backed armed groups called collective owes rooms need to be checked for bugs sensitive interviews must be discussed in hushed tons movements should not be telegraphed and should never happen after dark time spent in each location needs to be limited violent crime is also close to the w-. I in the world and much of the story that needs to be told is in the slums, or barrios, where poverty hunger and disparition exacerbates that risk. There are also the gangs who trade in drugs, and ruled the roost in recent months, escalating political tensions have added the risk of protest rallies, turning violent clashes between opposition activists and government troops and proxies, all of this means that the stories of ordinary Venezuelans are infrequently told but when you give them the chance this sentiments a clear. Something by women and men young and old have to realize the critical situation, the country, is going through these days, hunger, misery, repression and unemployment. We spent a week in the slums of Caracas and surrounds talking to people about life and politics. Well, I. Research says that nine out of ten people in Venezuela, count afford enough food, because of hyperinflation, which is rented the local currency almost valueless government food parcels that handed out monthly a dwindling. Sometimes now, they come only every second or third month, and they're often missing case applies like milk. There's widespread frustration and people are starting to voice it. Even with the risk of recriminations, Ropeway sediment Settimio, nothing seems to improve it all gets worse. So I think they should be change to give the opportunity for someone else to rule the situation has created a window of opportunity for opposition later. One guy who was backed by the US, and ustralia among dozens of other countries when he declared himself president after twenty eighteen elections that are widely condemned as flawed, although you get the sense that it's a case of right place. Right. Time rather than one guy DOE, having specifically captured the public imagination ROY Innis weather. It's not just a problem for Venezuela, what the international community has done so far is very important. The recognition of our constitution and of me as interim president Australia did that to what's important. Now is to keep the pressure up the dictatorship won't voluntarily leave. And fortunately them enduro government wouldn't respond to the concerns raised by those who can't get enough food or medicine at a time when political division globally runs deep Venezuela's, plied attracts, at a response almost all of the Venezuelans that I've encountered blame the economic collapse, on mismanagement by successive governments who've nationalized, assets, subsidized goods and services failed to manage the country's oil revenues and allowed endemic, cronyism and corruption. They don't always mention soc. Realism specifically many still harked back formerly to the days of logistics, under, former president Hugo Chavez. But for many observers Venezuela's become a symbol of the broader failure of the socialist model, that's gained particular traction as lift and right retreat to their corners, the world over. However, defenders of socialism, attack outside nations for interfering in Venezuela, particularly the United States, which is imposed harsh sanctions and an embargo on oil Russia, China and Cuba continue to back the Madero administration. And that's a K driver of US involvement. The big picture issues, but for ordinary Venezuelans who've seen they country go from the richest in Latin America to a basket case they just want something to change, so they can feed their families, but from Caracas that's North American correspondent, Zoe Daniel.
A Political And Humanitarian Crisis In Venezuela
"Support for WMU comes from Germany, celebrating the strong German-American friendship with events in all fifty states. The US in Germany are wounded bar together. Find out about events near you, it Votto bar together dot Oregon on social media at Germany in USA. Hi, it's Diane to be back with you for our podcast on my mind, political and humanitarian crisis. Then is. Opposition leaders hoped last weekend would lose him president Medeiros grip on power. But international eight remain stuck at the border with the military preventing supplies from entering the country. You as vice President Mike Pence traveled to Colombia this week to announce a dish. No sanctions at to keep the pressure on verging Francisco Toro is founding editor the cut route caves chronicles and online publication devoted to informing English-speakers about this situation in Venezuela. I caught up with him on Monday from Montreal Francisco. Thank you so much for joining us. I know that this was really a critical weekend in Venezuela. Tell us why bring us up to date. On what happened over the weekend? So there's this very security are kind of standoff on Venezuela's borders with Colombia and Brazil as position tries to bring in a shipments of humanitarian aid into the country shipments that are really really badly needed and guitar for people who haven't lived at two to really grasp how bad the humanitarian situation has gotten in Venezuela and the last few years, there's just not enough food three out of every four Venezuelans are actively losing body weight without meaning to they call it the medal diet with a bit of gallows humor there and people are just a hang of preventable diseases because simple medicines that that should be in stock in every hospital just are not available. So this has been a long-running situation on the position behind the interim, president one way as chairman sees him or a position leader as other Siham has decided to force. Into four say shoe by bringing humanitarian aid to their borders and just trying to force it through. And so what we saw on Sunday in particular was a lot of violence aid shipments being burnt on the border bridge between Colombia Venezuela on the border with Brazil. There were an active shootout that ended with four indigenous protesters dead and more than forty injured. And there have been reports of pro government paramilitary gangs inside Venezuela shooting over the border and into Brazilian and Colombian territory. So you can see how that's pretty combustible. I enter three million than as Whelan's at fled the country. Can you talk about what it is that present that d'oro has done that has created such a terrible situation as you describe it with the so called Madero diet at no. No medications will it's really at clip talk, Chrissy. Yes. What's happening in Venice? I let the amount of corruption mix with mismanagement of the economy has been extreme. So this goes back to the Hugo Chavez era and about ten twelve years ago. Hugo Chavez decided that he was going to push this very extreme far left economic regime that included nationalizing and expropriating taking into state ownership most big forms, most pharmaceutical companies almost all the food processors and the distribution companies they were taken into state hands, and then they were really run into the ground. So the payrolls got larded down with political appointees. Nobody cared if the companies made any money are not mostly they lost money production kind of collapsed on food across the board. We used to have a steel sector in Venezuela. Export hundreds of thousands of tons of steel every month. That's now gone down to basically zero all of these companies were run down. And pretty much destroyed and the money was more or less stolen now during the Chavez here, it didn't create a crisis because there was a huge oil, boom, while prices were very high and this was a big time while producer. So then a matter the destroyed the farms where the food was made because then you could just import the difference. It didn't matter that you destroy the aluminum Decio plans to good import the difference. You had oil money when oil prices collapse. He ended up in a situation where you don't have the money to import the things that you're not producing anymore, and you don't have the production capacity. So people sometimes say Hello. This is what always happens in socialism think it said simple. I think there are a lot of socialist countries in Latin America that haven't seen this kind of collapsed, and there's a mix of socialist, mismanagement criminality, just stealing public resources and kleptocracy. And he had the trucks with humanitarian supply is get across the border into the country from Columbia, even that is unclear. My understanding is that they didn't. But we should be clear. These these trucks were on the border in with Colombian Brazil and the ship coming from the league on the high seas ourselves to turn back. This are symbolic shipments. Really the amounts of food that were involved would feed maybe fifty thousand people for a week, but it's not fifty thousand people who are going hungry for a week. It's a country of thirty million people that's chronically malnourished. So this is about eight us politics for we saw over the weekend. It's true. When the government says, look, this is all a ruse is basically just a signed to destabilise her government and get us out of power. They're not wrong about that says that they've chosen this highly visible and symbolic pressure point because then forces my little toward or his soldiers to turn back shit. Admits food when his soldiers their own families don't have enough to eat. Now, we speak. Vice president Pence is making with Guido. Can you talk about that meeting, and what quite low would hope to have come out of it? Well, vice-president Pence has taken a really a leading role in Venezuela policy in Washington for the last two years. He's met a lot of opposition leaders. He seems to understand this issue in some detail him along with Senator Marco Rubio have sort of made their issue, and they seem to have some poll with the president. So it's important that vice-president Pence is there what way though will be hoping to do is they need to put additional pressure on Venezuela's generals in order to get them to flip essentially the end game. Here the way this is going to in his not an invasion if not an air attack. What's going to eventually have to happen is? The generals around mode are going to call time on him and are going to put him on a plane to Russia or Turkey or cube or somewhere else where he can go into retirement along with a few of history and millions now then slips generals are unlikely to do that unless they feel that they're in imminent danger. So there's this situation where they just need to apply more pressure. And you can see that's volatile because really what I'm arguing here. And I think most people understand this at the US needs to bluff and bluff credibly in order for Venezuela's generals to take the step that everybody understands that they understand the della venture you need to take. Well, would that bluff look like there are more pressure points? So you can go after there's cyber warfare you could send overflights over events on airspace. You can do provocative things that show to Venezuela's generals that they are in danger. But these things are risk. I mean, there's no question that this is a. Very sort of volatile mix and an explosive mix into one misstep could send the bluff into kind of war situation, which would be terrible tragedy for Venezuela. So it's it's better to tread lightly. Here. One glide go ahead to go into Colombia to meet with vice president Pence. Now, there is some danger that either a he won't be allowed back into than as well or could be arrested. If he word to come back that put him into a very precarious situation wasn't we have to start by acknowledging and being thankful for the amazing personal bravery that way little has shown over the last two months. He's put himself and his family in real danger as a three year old daughter. They've been constantly under pressure. Their house was broken into by the Vince loan secret police, they're really risking. Lot and point way that is now clearly the most popular politician in Venezuela by some distance because people understand that in realize that said, I think in the current situation if they haven't arrested him yet. I don't think they're going to arrest him now because the perception of threat inside the Venezuelan armed forces. And the Moloto inner circle is already extremely high. They feel really expose there. They understand that. They're closest situations where they're not going to be able to export anymore or have any more revenue or have any more money were eventually, a foreign military attack could come so they are in no position to be making provocative further, needless provocative moves and something like that. I think they they would perceive as tempting fate. So I don't think that they would go there if they went there would be a very substantial escalation in a situation that's already kind of too hot to handle you talk about the military general. What about the on the ground? Are they totally with Madero? I understand some one hundred have gone on to the other side. How indicative is that of a large scale defection all indications? We have our that aside from the very top tier of the military that people who have made really millions of dollars trafficking cocaine skimming off the top of food imports trafficking. Illegal gold doing human trafficking outside of group of maybe thirty or forty generals who have really three legal businesses enrich themselves hugely the military is mostly not really behind Moda. There's a lot of discontent. There's not enough food and the barracks. Imagine imagine what that does to military morale when you're not able to even feed your soldiers reliably, let alone their families. So the question then becomes why haven't they rebelled? Why haven't they done anything and the answer is there? There is very aggressive Cuban counter intelligence military, countering telegenic buying on Venezuela's officers. It's very hard for these guys to communicate an organized with another because he they're even so much suspected of disloyalty they're picked up they're arrested. They're thrown in the dungeon. They're usually tortured and pressured to give up names of co-conspirators, which will do even if they don't have names to give up just to make the torture sop. So there's been this purge atmosphere inside the armed forces and the sense of terror among Vincent, military personnel. That now you see coming out through the borders. We will say can't take this anymore and just drop their stuff cross border and Glenn to Columbia. Of course, the military units that are stationed closer water. Those guys can do that people stationed farther away from the border. A lot have just been going absent without leave. Just not hung of her work hiding out with distant relatives. Because nobody wants to be in nine of fire when there is many. Of a US military action in the Packer. So do you expect more to cross the border, even if they are in hiding right now do expect more to actually at least attempt to defect, but this is an ongoing situation. This is happening all the time. The Columbian military has now set up like a welcoming center for military defectors from Venezuela on each of the border crossings. But the question is not so much that the question is is what happens in KC gas in Medicare and the places where the big military basis happened as the generals realize that they're sitting atop structure that is kind of crumbling underneath. So eventually the like the gamble needs to continue to be that even though those generals are often deeply complicit it sometimes in human rights abuses, and virtually always in big time corruption that eventually their sense of survival their survival. Instinct is going to have to take over and they're going to have to call time on precedent mode. That's still the best solution for Minnesota that keeps the armed forces intact that avoids what happened in places like Libya where you go in with the military attack. And then you destroy the armed forces. And then the country just ends up lawless for generation ungovernable says definitely the right policy objective is to get the military to turn on mullahs. And that's the stated objective of most countries in the region of the United States in staking, a longtime is when very painful, but it's the best idea anybody has had about what to do about this. What about the general population not going to the borders yesterday? But what about the general population who are under Ted who are sick? Are they and scraping in great enough numbers to indicate to Madero that he? Must lead over insulin's have been demonstrating in very big numbers for a very long time. There are huge rations in two thousand fourteen in two thousand seventeen again, they were repressed people ended up getting thrown in jail this year in the last few weeks. There have been very large amounts ration-, and for the first time, not just in the middle class areas of the bigger cities, which used to be why they weren't maybe effective motor could just, you know, these are this is elite, you know, they're dissatisfied 'cause we took away their privileges. That was the story until this year this year when why low called for mass protests, we saw protests not even just in places that weren't big cities and mid sized cities. But even in some towns and get EBA, which is a town of ten thousand people in at our which is a small town impetus estate, you had people protests in the streets. This is like I don't know in the US if somebody was protesting in Tuscaloosa, I don't know what the what the right parallel is here. But these are places where you expect to see mass politic. Rallies on the streets. So the problem is that mother doesn't care like the point for him the point of destroying Minnesota's democracy and establishing himself as an autocrat was precisely. So he wouldn't have to guar- about Westbrook. And quick break. When we come back more from Francis code Toro. Support for WMU comes from commuter connections. If you ride share to work you are eligible to receive a couple of free rides home each year, guaranteed. Why freak out about getting home in case of illness? Unexpected emergencies or unscheduled overtime. Register or renew today for free at commuter connections dot org or eight hundred seven four five ride commuter connections dot org. Some restrictions apply. And we're back. Here's the rest of my conversation with franscisco Toro. He's founding editor. I'd the Caracas chronicles. He also rides column for the Washington Post Francisco Tele set up the news organization, you're working with in Venezuela. So sixteen years ago, I started a little blog in my pajamas. And could I guess nothing candy buddy would read it. And over those six years cut. I chronicles has grown and grown and growl. And I found an audience. Eventually we brought in new writers announced a little media company. So we have a newsroom in Cuttack us, and we have correspondents in eight cities, we send correspondence to the border. They've done them easing writing. That really shows you the feel of being these border protests over the last weekend. And yeah, we've always aimed to be the place where if you want to understand Venezuela from from an Venezuelan point of view, but in English, that's what got chronicles is four and and super part of it. I think they've done amazing work and how challenging is it to get that news. The funny thing is that it's not that hard for us because we're in English L is joked, we're protected because nobody in the Venice loan secret. Police speaks English. I was like we're using some exotic code. But I think it's mostly that censorship has been very active and very aggressive going after mass media and Spanish because they want to control public opinion. And so. Yes. Media in English. And don't think is quite so challenging or dangerous websites. Mostly left us alone. You're definitely in a situation where we have never in the less six years ever gotten a comment from Venezuelan government. Spokesman they just don't speak to media that they don't control. So that we have very little access information two years ago when the health minister by mistake published epidemiological reports about malaria prevalence, rising, prevalence, investors, use immediately fired. That's consider a fireable. Offense to publish public information. So Severi tough access to information situation. But we haven't seen the kind of repression against us and the kind of censorship that Spanish language media. See all the time. Recent tweets, you wrote us head destroy the military and glide out doesn't hit narrate a functioning state what you mean by that. Yeah. I think this is a point that Americans really need to understand seven days is a failed state in many ways because clip talk Chrissy, all that the top leadership was really worrying about and thinking about how to steal money for themselves. And so basic functions of government they didn't really care about. So what ended up happening is at a lot of criminal organizations rose up underground big criminal gangs that kind of MS thirteen style criminal gangs now, actually controlled tear, large swathes of territory, prison gangs, and prison gang leaders. Act us have their own little fiefdoms in some places. They run the legal minds, for example, they run extortion on my eyelid, then you have quality wars, which are these paramilitary groups that support the government that have sort of a Marxist ideology. But the government doesn't exactly control them. Then you have Colombian guerrillas with that have found Venezuela to be ungoverned space. And that's what guerillas are always looking for. So they E L N. They hit us utility Russian. Listen, I league along BIA is controls a lot of illegal gold mining amiss. Had I have splinter groups on FARC that are trafficking cocaine. You have a lot of armed groups. A lot of guys who are very well armed who actually run things on the ground in a lot of neighborhoods in Venezuela. When you. Have a problem if somebody steals your cell phone, you don't call the cops the cops won't show up and they're not getting paid their hungry themselves. You call your local criminal syndicate, and in the places that our government what they'll do is they'll just shoot whoever stole from. This is the way the recent. So the point is and this is a real danger. This is why it would be so dangerous to actually attack DeVos on our forces. If you take the armed forces out of the equation corrupt other leadership is your left in a country where the only people who actually have power over the territory are these non-state actors criminal groups, so it's Libya, it's Libya, and the and the Libya scenario, Marco Rubio publishes, very ill considered tweet yesterday showing Colonel Qadhafi I empower and then being roughed up about to be killed. He really should think twice about those kinds of parallels. Because Venezuela could very easily be on the road to Libya situation where you take out the government, and let me Neath it is ungovernable. Mess of armed gangs. So given what you suggest that the upper military stays in power. How difficult is it? Or could it be for one glide? Oh to really become a leader Aben as well. It will be difficult for one way though, or for anybody because failed states don't come back from failure. Or from the brink of failure and become well-functioning bureaucratic systems of of the time you see in Canada or Sweden overnight. These processes had taken a long time we side right next door in Columbia. If you go back twenty years, the Colombian say didn't control most of Columbus territory. There were these guerrilla gangs are running drugs, and you couldn't go by road from millet into gotta because the government didn't control the roads. It took a long time. It took policies that were often. Violent on the ground and generating human rights abuse. But twenty years later Columbia is central government. There's a government that controls the whole territory. So these processes are never need. But I think they're manageable. If you keep the armed forces basically intact, if the US starts raining cruise missiles on Venezuelan, military, installations and on vest on military, planes and raiders and things and barracks. That process becomes that much harder. And that much more manageable over the next generation. And you hidden another tweet that you as military action would actually be a catastrophe for who Aila. That's right. Anybody who looks at what's happened in Libya over the last ten years will agree that the Libyans have undergone a catastrophe and Ghaddafi with way worse with us. My little in many ways. So Ben sounds always get stuck in strap thinks of console. Bad. So many people have had to leave. There's been so much heartache there's been so much pain. None of us are sleeping if you if there's a Venezuelan in your life. If you have been some friend or coworker or neighbor that person is not sleeping right now. Just understand that. And because we've gone through so much heartache we always get pulled into this trap of thinking that we've already had bought him. And that things can't get any worse. But if there is beautif military, assault and the armed forces are destroyed we could end up looking back on twenty eight teen. That's a good old days. That's shocking because twenty eighteen was so bad, but thinking much much worse should never lose sight of that. So talk about the propaganda that is and and those have both here in the US are subjected to regarding what's happening in Venezuela. This again, they think is really hard for people who haven't experienced at first. Hand to to wrap their minds around because Donald stay propaganda. His so relentless it comes to you on TV on the radio on the internet example. So for example, vent US these shipments of US aid until going border are poisoned as who might have heard. They are old food the spoil that has been specifically poisoned to hurt Venezuela. This is an insane conspiracy theory, and you wouldn't take it seriously for a second. But if it's coming to you again and again and again relentlessly, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. That's what you get one way. Low is as pie one way, though was trained by the United States to deliver Venezuela to international capitalism. It's a crazy lie. Anybody who has followed lilos career at or who has talked to people who've known him for sometimes realize long way, though has been a guy who has been out as a pro-democracy activists since he was twenty three years old who has risked his. Life was done so much, but in the venison propaganda script. He is just a US public. There's nothing else about him. But if you say that it doesn't really give you the sense of just the pervasiveness of of the propaganda coming. Advent sounds all the time all the time all the time together with censorship. That doesn't give them any access to any alternative points of view sounds have mostly learned to tune out the propaganda, but then will have any access to impartial information. The guarant- will block Twitter on days when there's a lot of news. Oh, Br block Instagram. They'll lock you to Richard Branson put on this big Minnesota aid concert on Saturday with a lot of very popular Latin musicians. I went to to champion the the cost of humanitarian aid, if you are normal Venezuelan, you just never found out it happened because there's this blanket refusal to acknowledge it together with his very aggressive propaganda that that again that they learned from the. Cubans who learned it from the Soviets. So it's any Americans when they try to describe this in them. They have a hard time really believing me because people just have no lived experience of of what it's like to turn on the TV and switch from channel to channel to channel and radio to radio to radio station and just hear the same message again again again, which is a crazy lie. So I realize that the oil has been cut off. So that then is no longer earning the cash it used to but to what extent has US being part of that bargain in keeping Madero afloat. The vast bulk of the cash and has paid for motives torture chambers. And this quads has been coming from Americans who nothing about it. Go fuel up their cars. Never for a second thing that that gas is coming from a refinery owned by the Denison state that the money that. They're paying is making its way back when this portion of it, of course, it's only think eight or nine percent of the gasoline. Consumed in Minnesota in the US comes from Venezuelan oil. But not nine percent has been AVI thing that has kept the Venezuelan revolution going for all these years in. It's funny because of course on the promo Ludo far left. It's always been the Americans are coming for the world know, the Americans had the whale haven't getting the well and you've been getting their money for twenty years. This is part of the propaganda messages, you repeat them again. And again, and again and the come to seem true. But you know, if you actually stop scratch the surface of of the money flows, and the things that actually have kept the government going realize that they had that propaganda. As often happens has an exactly backward. Now, I think one of the most aggressive and to my mind positive steps, they use has has taken his two n that's low of cash which to me, you know, I under. That part of that money was not being used to fund torture chambers and desk wives part of it was being used to fund what little medicine and food was coming into the country, and that has also knows top. So it's morally ambiguous and difficult decision. But to me, there can never be a good reason. There can never be a good justification for continuing to fund torture chambers. And so I I really applaud the US decision to to stop buying Venezuelan oil and stuff selling Venezuela equipment and supplies for industry. Tell me about your counts in the Washington Post and put kind of impact you believe they are having home. I. I'm always mostly trying to inform because they feel that. Now a lot of decisions that matter a lot to Venezuelans are being made in Washington. And they're not always as well informed us, they should be. So I want to inject some some measure of understanding into the public conversation. But of course, it is always a little bit of black hole in Washington is never entirely clear to me who is getting these messages and what they're doing with them. So that's a hard one. So hard question. I want to ask you one more question in your mind. How much longer do you think? Maduro can hold on is Anan my mind now in a radio studio talking to you or at three in the morning, waking up in a cold sweat from a nightmare. I don't know the answer to that question for me changes at least four or five times an hour. 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Welcome back to the show Robbie. Why aren't we allowed to talk about George Soros is plan to remake America. You know thanks for having me on the show. Michael I. I wish I could give you a really great answer for this in terms of why we can't. But I think the simplest answer is that the media supports his plan and when the media like do do Joe Biden support a candidate or support an activist they will do anything and everything possible to basically run cover for them, and that's what's happening with George Soros. We've seen it here in Harris County your article mentions Texas is one of the places that that Soros has played. Where he poured a lot of money into the district attorney's race four years ago Kim Rug who call? Who's the district attorney here has repeatedly when Houston police officers and other departments bring folks to her she she and her office refused to take the charges and then two weeks ago we had an officer that the same illegal alien that they refuse to take the charges on for waving a pistol and threatening his what his wife two days later tried to kill her and did kill a forty one year police officer who two weeks from retiring and seriously wounded another one. So we've seen the consequences of Soros's actions, but for people who don't understand what Soros's up to in why he's doing it, why don't you take a few minutes and explained that? I will dive in there I I do want to note to August not she's not a kmox. In Anomaly, there's also Joe Jose Garza in Austin Texas and there's a few others in Texas like Joe Gonzales who ran in becks county he's not always accessible but he does so what he's doing is that he's spending six to seven figures in Da races that normally hit always been five figure erases you'd see budgets to ten thousand dollars even in some of these racist previously they now have you know a million one behind a candidate or nine, hundred, Fifty, eight, thousand behind candidate and the idea here is that Soros news all politics are local and it's something that the Republican Party was really acutely aware of as. We took control of state legislatures and things like that in the past But what he's doing here is he knows he can sort of reset societal norms by taking over these DAC. So that's why you've seen in places like San, Francisco and You know some of these other he has they stopped prosecuting street crimes, people who are doing drugs in the street you know defecating in the street petty theft things like that because he knows if you can change the fabric of society where people are used to then you know these progressive politicians don't seem so scary and that's how they're getting with so much right now. You know it's It's Confounding to folks, and for those who would say, but what interest would George Soros have in disrupting? What interest would he have in the chaos and and and all of this evil? Why would he do that? You know I think it's it's actually very simple psychology destabilize. America. You make people not believe in America and so in a lot of these, you know places where he's got these radical D. as in it makes people feel like we're on the precipice of needing to completely rehaul America and so you know this isn't the only thing he's doing he also which I mentioned at the end of the peace says his most important work is the billion dollar deal. He's doing right now to put a billion dollars into American universities and change the way they teach kids. So at the same time, he's running these operations he's running other. Operations to collectively in total change the way people see America and change the the sort of priority list of what we need to change in. America. So he knows if you do this over time, you have the DA's backing you have local politicians backing it, and then you have the youth leaving college believing all of this garbage that you're going to be able to change America, and fundamentally you know flip it into the progressive system that he wants and I say progressive very loosely because it's actually regressive what they wanna do, but it's the word they love to us you know. So I think that that sort of explains it. You know you mentioned the race in Travis County, and I have. Talked about this a bit probably, not enough because of the importance of the presidential election. But. We have a liberal district attorney in Travis County. Where Austin is of course, but the individual who's going to win there is so radical. We've never seen anything like that and I don't know if you if you remember but we had a district attorney in Travis County decades ago who would use the fact that the state seat Austin, was in in. Austin and part of his county to go after statewide Republican elected officials. In fact, he raided the offices of Kay Bailey Hutchison. He tried to take down other Republican elected officials and he basically just tormented statewide Republicans using his county seat at the District Attorney's office, and that's exactly what I expect this extreme radical to do. Once he wins and he's going to win. Absolutely you know what I I would make. Sure people are aware of as we used to not know the names of Da's as you know in general your average person go through life not knowing the name of Any da and that was you know not a weird thing. But what's interesting about the Soros? Da's is that we're starting to. Get to know all these people in a very, very national public way. So if you've heard the name Gartner, she was backed by Soros. She's the one who's trying to throw mark and Patricia mccloskey in jail for defending their home by exercising their right to bear arms. Saint Louis Win. Writers came to their doorstep. You know, Kim, Fox in Chicago back by Seora she's the one that let Jussie smollet go and was doing deals behind the scenes. Talking to celebrities and to people in the Obama Administration about Jussie smollet despite the hoax, he pulled the cost, the city millions of dollars and she had to go through a review after that from an independent prosecutor and they found wrongdoing on her part You know you've got a hold on Robbie and I want to get back to that only because the article which we've now posted Michael Berry show dot com is a fantastic. A case in point you you talked about Kim Fox and leading justice small go. Two Million Dollars Soros put into that race in in Cook County in her reelection bid two million dollars in a local race is enough money to swing a race that is an insane amount of money for a low i. mean that's a that would be a big donation on the national scale. But in Cook, county in one county and to have the ability and we're going to go through these one by one Broward County Travis County as you mentioned Harris. County. Five hundred, eighty, three, thousand dollars that he came that he gave to to Kim Ogg and what we've seen here this is staggering stuff. This is frightening stuff. Robbie, can you stay with us for one more segment? Yeah. All right. Robby starbuck is our guest. We have posted the article Michael Berry Show Dot Com. Why aren't we allowed to talk about George Soros. To remake America since two thousand fifteen George Soros has pumped tens of millions of dollars into local races in Texas Colorado California, Oregon Washington, Florida, and New York as well as swing state. We should be horrified with the results because we've seen them in Kim arguing Harris Count. The Michael Berry Show quick reminder. If you go Michael Berry show dot com, that's our official website. and. While you're there by your official Michael, Berry show gear wear proudly. That's all it. Michael Berry. Show DOT com. Your hands everybody if you got what it takes because I'm Kurtis blow and not want to note that these are. The Breaks. Get your rookie sense of humor. Yesterday. I was telling all the story about don't try to sell socialism in Florida because you have too many cuban-americans whether first generation or self identified because their parents fled Cuba who were offered the Iron Fist in velvet glove they've seen the consequences of Socialism Robbie, starbucks family from Cuba and The Dogma lives loudly shall we say for those who fled that country and came to this? He's the host of grow up live but you know I was Robbie I I want to explore something for move for we get back to your your story LNU you up on IMDB you've done a lot of music videos. So that was that your original calling. Yeah. So I I was I came to be known as a director of directed Natalie Portman Jamie Foxx direct produce people like ferrall smashing Pumpkins megadeath you know goes really long But yeah, you know I guess I'm sort of a Unicorn in the Republican world. I'm Latino my mom's a refugee and I made it as a director in Hollywood coming from nothing with no family connections and then decided the best most obvious thing to do was to come out as a Republican, which was not very popular in Hollywood. that. you know it goes back to the Dogma lives loudly within me I think that's actually a really great i. loved it Feinstein said that about Amy conybeare because it's a great line for any of us who fight for freedom fight for America the dogma lives loudly within us I believe. So wholeheartedly in freedom our constitution and our individual rights that I knew I had a choice. I had three options I could shut up in my business would be exactly the same I could the pretend to be anti-trump and I would make more money or I could be I could have my integrity and I could admit that I support trump and it would drastically hurt my business and at the end of the day drastically hurting my business with a small price to pay for my own kids to be able to look me in the I. Know that their dad had integrity to stand up for what he believed in teach them that lesson that you always stand for what you believe in. No matter what the cost is was the role of government socialism if you will but on a more profound level disgust in your home or just understood. It was I would say a Lotta the lessons were imparted by my great grandpa was sort of like a father figure to me and I would say that he imparted a lot of it on me and he he warned me a lot to he said, you know that America's great because of all these values would give me the set of values and freedoms and everything he said, but it's It's not it's not You know free from the possibility of coming under threat and you have to always remember how quick this happened in Cuba to people. Nobody expected it to happen as quickly as it happened and They don't tell you the truth up front. They don't say I'm a communist and this is what I WANNA do. In fact Castro never admitted it until after he had power. He denied claims if he was a Marxist up until after he had power and then he admitted it you know and we have sort of a weird thing in America where. They're actually telling us what they believe. You know you look at black lives matter the founder of black lives matter She said just as recently as this year that she is a trained Marxist and the Marxism, the goal of their movement they're actually telling us in. America which is a little different than Cuba. But he imparted on me that you you really have to be aware of how quickly this can happen in their greatest regret in Cuba was that they were so afraid that their friends or neighbors would be upset at them. That didn't speak up and that everybody there who ended up having to flee or who were jailed or killed wish they had spoken up. Famously and the parallels today when Castro was asked if he was a Marxist. As he's ascending to power, he said I'm a Catholic. That was his. I May Catholic. Up Talk About I. Don't know how you pronounce this in southwest Louisiana it'll be Boudin but chase about dean of the the new. District. In San Francisco, I was not aware of some of the details until I read this about him from you could you tell what's going on there? Yeah. So you know this is another one of the cases where the radical as you know you want his background I. Had Weather Underground Chavez's translator. You tell the story. Fantastic. He. He's actually a former translator for Hugo Chavez if you don't know who that is. Yes I'm talking about the Venezuelan Socialist dictator Hugo. Chavez is really a communist was you know that's those words are so interchangeable at this point he's also the son of two weather underground terrorists who were convicted of murder for their roles in a brinks armored truck robbery where they killed three people. After his parents were incarcerated, he was raised by weather underground leader Bill Ayers, who I think a lot of people remember because he was a fundraiser for Obama to later on So deeply ingrained with domestic terrorists parents literally our domestic terrorist raised by domestic terrorists and worked for one of the most brutal. In the world before he ask Hugo Chavez so You know this is not a ideologically these are not just. People who are little to the far left. These are ideological radicals. These are people who fundamentally do not believe in America I, love America and want to rewrite the constitution. It's horrifying to imagine that the world watched what J. and and Castro together did. To these people. And that yet it lives on and still has a shelf life I i. it's. For the people of Cuban descent it has to be. This. Sort of understanding it if Hitler were taking root today with say no, no, we lived through that trust me. We don't want anyone to have to live through that again and yet, and yet it's still seductive to some people and that's what I find. So frustrating. Why I think that's the interesting thing about socialism in general and Communism is that It always comes to power through romanticizing it and we're doing that same thing here in America is being romanticized and any ideology that allows for you to Romanticize it. Can tend to get pretty popular especially with young people you know conservatism has sort of a difficulty in the fact that it's kind of difficult to Romanticize In the same regard you king socialism because there's nothing in it. That's like, Hey, everything you ever could desire is free and is going to be available for the taking and life is just going to be so wonderful and beautiful, and it's all going to be rainbows and UNICORNS. You can't really do that with conservatism. So it's hard to fight them on their romanticizing side of things you know and in that way I think it's why it's very simple for places like Hollywood toback socialism ended back far left ideas because they're used to romanticizing things is a job you know. For a living. So in that regard, you know if you were like in Hollywood and you were saying sitting at a table, which one is easier to cinematic, we sell the people, it would be socialism all you have to ignore the fact that it's killed you know communism and socialism is killed over one hundred million people You can even you know look no further at the fact that the world's not serious about never again then China China has concentration camps right now and everybody's kind of just ignored it. You know so I don't buy into the idea that. The world would never let Hitler happen again or would never let you know a Castro happen again because we it is happening you know the world has allowed it to happen and that's been pretty consistent. So you know I mean even here in Tennessee, this is something that will be shocking people. I. Live in a county Williamson County Sixty, eight percent voted for trump and the nicest private school that my kids used to go to hear I, pulled them out they. Spanish teacher had a poster of Che Guevara on the wall because she thought that he was an. Awesome guy and wanted that year in Spanish class to change reference to how you talk about. Latino, people to say Latina Ex. Okay. This is this radical ideology is even taking root in red states in education. So parents need to be acutely aware of it and you have to not afraid to speak up and fight back and make sure even if you have to pull your kids out I I did it my kids are home schooling. Now because you cannot allow them. You can't take the risk that they're teaching your children to hate your ideology and hate everything about your family. Robby. starbuck this is a great piece you've written in the federalist, but I'd really like to see you get back behind that camera I'm more than happy to to see if we can't help you raise funds to do that because film is so powerful and you have such an impressive background on that. But whatever you do, it's important. It is substantive. It is significant and it is making a difference thanks for being our guest and come back and see US robby starbuck. Michael. dudes impressive. Old Dot King of dating. And this other Guy Michael Berry. From regular expenses to occasional splurges, there's a lot to buy why not get cash back every time you spend with the pen fed power cash rewards card you get cash back on every purchase that's everywhere every time you use it. 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I learned yesterday that an aunt Queen just a regular ant Queen can live for thirty years. Thirty years. Yeah. The other ants come and groomer and take away her her bad skin or something, and she just continues to grow. And do you think they know like I lived longer than Jimi Hendrix, do those answer like of how cool that is? That's what I'm wondering. How used to kind of deal with aunts somewhat with impunity? And now, I feel like they are wise. Can you check to see if the one you're about to kill is? I think the worker ants even lived for two years. They've they've been in the man they've seen some stuff the ants like, you know, they live longer than tulips. I celebrate tulips maybe their time perception is related to their like, maybe no matter how long you live. It feels the same like to them times passing incredibly. They watched a perfect beat of rainfall extremely slowly seems like a glacier to that form. A little crown glue off the sidewalk because they're getting the same amount of experience. We are. How do they feel when they get washed down the bathtub drain by my showers agonizing. Like, we're just like this'll be no problem to them. It's like like like they're being waterboarded for a year as someone who has studied government. I feel like the prospect that future llings will have a kind of benevolent oligarchy, or you know, like altruistic philosopher case, I'm utopia seems unlikely given how you're gonna say it was a near guarantee. No, I would I would have always said that you know, as as a liberal. I am intrinsically utopian liberals think that things are going to keep getting we're all very Chipper about government despite all available. Well, no. But I mean, you think you think that it is possible to get better. Because that's what all our policies are about if we just do this. And then do that. Then if we didn't believe that we would just take our ball and go home, and we'd be conservative space, right? The government for a month by conservatives assume that things are going to be rough and their policies are to secure damage control. Right. I want me and mind to be safe because everybody else is out to get me and things just getting people are intrinsically untrustworthy. You know, the left keeps thinking, oh, if we just get we give ten percent more to the schools people will be educated. And then they'll choose leftist government all the tweaks we've made this policy have not worked yet. There is somewhere the perfect tweak. Right. If we could just find that lost chord that perfect tweet perfect. We just think how you know what an amazing social safety net. We'd have all would have everything they needed dream. It would be one more socialist in the state house and the whole house of cards will tip there's a tip and for we just haven't quite got it. And so having looked at governments, and it's many incarnations over the last two thousand years, you're older than you. Look do. Well, you know, they come the Queen ant. He's. I am less and less inclined to think that there's one more tweak. I don't know if this is this is confirming year bias that as I get older become more conservative. But I less less and less think that one more curriculum change at the community college level is going to produce a generation of wise voters to this change during your brush with politics. Did you go into that a cheery I'd young democrat type and came out of sad eyed and realistic sadder, but wiser man after all the time, I was growing up adjacent to politics. What I learned is that politics is a. An avocation or it's a you don't the the idea that a lot of us have what we need is new blood. We need to the problem is that the politicians are not like me, that's kind of essential ego at the core of it. Every politician was like me clearly things would be good because I'm good. And so what we need to do is elect outsiders. Well, the problem is no outsiders are bad for politics. The people in politics have made a lifetime of learning the ins and outs. And of course, there's corruption, of course. But but more than corruption. There's just an insider language. It's just we don't say like these bridges are ugly. We need some outsiders in their designing bridges Navarrese that it is this bridge like people that decide to be engineers bridge engineers, we're stuck with them. Right. Because that's who decided to become engineers. And then they're the ones that designed bridges if you don't like the bridges. I mean your option is to raise your child and send them to engineering. School or by a dinghy by dinghy, right? Or, you know, but but so politics is exactly like that. And you have a story when you were running about some Seattle city councilor, actually Kelly. You look like somebody who's just gonna make up your mind on each issue. And we do not want that. Yeah. Let's the last thing I want I want someone who's vote I can always predict because otherwise how do I do my job? So all the people in politics talk about each other all the time, and they gossip about each other. But they know where one another stand because they've all been in politics since they were in college, right? Volunteer on other people's campaigns active in the local party apparatus. This is what they wanna do. And this is what they've been doing. I think how hard it would be to make decisions if suddenly that was stripped away. So he came to me all confidence. He was like, you know, we've been talking about you everybody in the local Democrats, and we like, you you're nice guy, you've got the political acumen, but you seem to think that. You just are going to vote on things based on the available information in your own instinct weirdo, and that's really not what we're looking for because going into any kind of vote. You wanna do the math? Yeah. And like who where do we direct our lobbying attention, right? We we need to know that four people are definitely in favor of it. Like, it's also it's constantly and a lot of times you push legislation down the road. And then the other party gets in and pushes it back. We've been living in a period where one of the parties is just intransigent. And now, we have some young people that they're just pursuing a democratic agenda. It's not like anybody has arrived on the scene with some radical notion. They're radical notions of the tax bracket should be what they were under Nixon. Exactly what if we. I mean FDR is still the most liberal president in American history. I mean, some of the things that FDR proposed would. Make American socialist blanche at their audacity, I don't I don't mean to be Debbie Downer. And certainly I would never look scans at the at the new generation of people in the left, but you also have to temper it with a little historical knowledge and say like yeah, pendulum. It's a pendulum the pendulum complicated today. By the fact, that a certain segment of one party is kind of openly kleptocratic in a way, we have seen in the past, well, they're openly kleptocratic whereas in the past it was right? An agreed upon that was true, right? There were always these kind of balance of good behavior with which we were okay. With our leaders fattening themselves and their pet causes and constituencies. Yeah. We'll pork barrel. Politics is the term. And it was it was a major criticism of the Democrats for most of the twentieth century that they were fattening up their coffers. Than the unions and all their developer friends, and nobody would mind when Reagan would do a speaking tour. Obama got fat book deal, we kind of we kind of nodded and said he had this is the well behaved way to get rich on a career in public service. Although that's not graft at the expense of the public speaking, it is not. But if you're if your idea is that your leaders civil servants are somehow not in this for themselves in any way. But they're there for the good of the the we requiring any other job, by the way. Can you imagine? Like, I think I'm going to take this low paying job because what the accounting industry needs is for me to be working here. I mean, no one ever thinks that way, but we kind of our leaders will. I mean when I was running for office here. A big question is how you raise your money where your money comes from. And there's a on the left, especially the sense that if you take money from anyone of than mom and pop little guy, if anybody gives you money, it's in the public record and your opponent is going to go in there and say the guy that owns the mic chicken sandwich place gave you two hundred dollars. You're in service too. Big jixian. And convinced by that in certain cases, when you see how intransigent for example, even the Democratic Party has been on issues that you'd think would be a no brainer for the left to go against things that everybody hates, you know. About the finance industry or about, you know, executive salaries or about the whole health insurance layer of our healthcare system that makes no sense. And yet these people who have all got nice fat checks from these industries are saying, no, no, no. We don't wanna you don't wanna get rid of helping the health insurance industry that thing. Everyone loves maybe we'll provide a kind of public option alternative, but and sadly, a lot of that is the is the public face of what's effectively horse trading behind the scenes where people come and say, look if you really were sincere about re reforming the health insurance industry. The repercussions are going to be this this this and this and pretty soon all of capitalism is in flames. And so you have to will agree to this. But we want this in return, and then pretty soon the guy that's standing over. Here has got something to say about it because that affects him. And it becomes a rat. King of competing interests incremental listen, this just built in to the complexity of it because there's always somebody on the other side of wherever you draw the aisle that also has a constituency and money and authority. But you don't you don't get into things that are just ridiculously popular or not even being tried. Well, I mean for indie because the money the stacks up on the other side doesn't make the we the no-brainer nece seemed like less of a no-brainer. We talked about this in an early episode of the omnibus the water rights of the west where it's a no brainer that the US government should not be providing free water to giant farmers who are desert farming strawberries in a in a desert while municipalities don't have drinking water, but because of the land use plans that were put in place a long time ago by people with certain interests, the simple act of removing that free water would create this cascade of broken promises that would sort of wreck the west, and none of the people in between you and the person in Los Angeles who just wants clean drinking water are going to agree to it. Because they all have as not just a finger in the pie. They just like you. Guy wanting a predictable vote on the city council. It is like this. This seems like it would be very make my job more difficult and make a lot of people's jobs more difficult. So instead of figuring it out at stays the bad way. And and the thing is that's what's so appealing about the idea of authority king every person that you talked to about politics once to be the king for a day. Right. Because if you could come in and just say by Fiat, I am changing this. I'm starting again. I'm Hugo Chavez, and I'm nationalizing strawberry water. Right. The temptation is to think that that's what we need. Just somebody with the end in America. We want somebody with charisma to do it because we don't wanna give somebody that power. So we want someone with the charisma to everyone exactly twinkle because we don't want to see all the thirty. But I mean, if you look through history, you got your child is a great example. But there. One hundred thousand exam. Yeah. This is all stuff that tends to make talker worse when you look at the list of people who have personally fattened themselves most on the public coffers. They're terrible dictators. It's the numbers are pretty astounding Suharto, Indonesia somewhere, maybe as much as thirty billion dollars. Stole from the Marcos. And the numbers are in the billions with Marcos as much as twenty billion heat on mean Saco Zaire five Vladimir Putin. I mean, depending how you do the math. It could be as high as two hundred billion dollar. And that's one thing in America. We have a we have a lot of checks and balances that keep national politicians at least from profiting from the public, although Trump I think is really testing. Yeah. It does seem like a lot of those checks and balances tended to be just mores of of good behavior. They were all nodding sagely about gentleman's agreement. Nothing happens. If you grant different diplomatic rights, whoever buys the most rooms in your hotel. There doesn't appear to be any law against it that it will be enforced. I read an article the other day that the military and intelligence briefers were talking to him about Diego Garcia where we have a. It's an island where we have a military base down in the Indian Ocean that's pretty crucial to our whole sense of global order, and they were telling him all about this island. And what the what we needed to have happened there. And his only question was are the beach is nice. The director of intelligence was I honestly think he was just thinking of it in terms of like hotel develop. I thought he was going to say the Garcia. Can't we just deport him? So the idea of talker and people choosing fatten themselves at the public trough brings us to the hero of today story, finally. Well, this isn't even within the top one hundred of the longest are we still less than half an hour end longest times. Apparently, according to my recording gear, we are six hours and fifteen minutes into the show. Wow. There's gonna be a long long pre game. Which is what just whatever was happening in this room at before. And this morning stopping. I think it was playing records playing that drum kit for a while. I'm not could be some jam and tracks. So the future is probably not listening at this point. Honest. Dick, was not borne honest, dick his name was James Tait. And he was a long serving politician in the state of Kentucky in the years before and then during an after civil war. So the middle of the nineteenth century Kentucky. These are my people in in that you aspire to be one of their colonels. I have like ABA team a listener from the very very distant future of omnibus connected with me through the through the time portals across the flat circle. The Taurus of time and said that she was going to nominate me to be a Kentucky Colonel in the of the future types when Kentucky is an ocean front state. That's literally bluegrass it's like the blue seaweed state. The the living thinking mobile blue grass of Kentucky, and I have connections to Kentucky. Family connections and other connections. And so having changed flight Cincinnati does not count as other connections. No, I have deep roots there. And but then mysteriously maybe the time portal closed, but she has not followed up on the ruling of whether or not Mike Kentucky Colonel ship is just waiting for a nice cheque to arrive for MU she's like. It was some graft. There was some Kentucky grad didn't get her. Her signal James Tate was a long serving assistant secretary of state for the state of Kentucky. And then for many years he was like an assistant clerk to the state legislatures pre-civil house of representatives starting in the eighteen fifties. But in eighteen sixty eight he was elected treasurer of the state of Kentucky for the first time. So he was a he was one of these people from the middle west in the mid nineteenth century who had no real formal education. Right. He was just he went to school in Kentucky. And then became or this was a time when even national politics could be could be run by people who had just waved their saver at the right time during the civil war and suddenly your party's nominee for vice president. You never went to law school, he had graduated from high seventh grade education. But now was was pretty high ranking in Kentucky Democrats, yes. After the civil war of the Democratic Party, essentially controlled Kentucky, politics, the Republicans were unable to make much of inroads pop after reconstruction popular with black voters, maybe but but that's about it. So he was able to win ten consecutive terms. As Kentucky state treasurer. Really? I didn't realize that was a every two years. I guess they. Oh, right. It was a two year. Every state has a treasurer. It's just the person in charge of the state's fiscal resources and responsibility, the cat not just the money on hand. But where it gets invested who has to get paid when somebody has to be. Just like the treasurer of your debate club in high school. Somebody's gotta keep an eye on the books. Right. And that is James Tait. And he is just beloved the reason he stays in office for almost twenty years is because everyone loves them. He's the nicest guy is popular generous, affable kind looks out for everybody always willing to do a good turn accommodating, whatever kind of favors get asked him. He's called honest, dick because it's believed he's above reproach. Yeah. Well, it sounds like he's exactly the kind of charismatic political figure that people put trust in because of charisma there really is who would you have a beer with. Right. And honestly, maybe you can do less harm that way voting for president that way, then you can't voting for state treasurer. Because maybe a good old boys. What the nation needs sometimes in the White House, but my tax accountant never went to college. But boy what a Mench. Can you know in today's age it can be hard to find time to sit down and learn I don't read as much as I would like, yeah, I'm constantly have books half finished or get a third of the way in eight books beside my bed that I'm in the middle of running short on bookmarks. How do we keep on the on the horse? I tried out this new app called blinking Lincoln, which is kind of a summary of takeaways from nonfiction books. So they have a library of like thousands and thousands of books, and you can get kind of a bullet pointed summary of the book here interested in you can read four books day just sitting on the bus. So as a result of that, then kind of decide which books you want to dig deeper into it's no substitute for reading a book. But it's really do. I like this or if I wanna seem conversant in this cocktail party. You know, do I know what's going on here? Like, I read the Stephen Hawking's last. Book the summaries. There were of you know, kind of certain provocative parts of the book, including what he believes about the existence of God. So it's not just an outline. You're actually reading passages select passages that convey the high points of the book. Yeah. And summarized versions of those you would be doing if you took a college course, it's the same thing without having to Wade through the the five chapters just recapitulating what was said in the introduction. And right now for a limited time blinking has a special offer just for our audience, Joe nice. Go to blink dot com slash omnibus to start your free seven day trial. That's blinking to be L. I N K. I S T. Blink dot com slash omnibus. Start your free seven-day trial. Blink dot com slash omnibus. It's not clear. Why we're the dick part comes from. I mean, he's not named Richard. Now, he's James Tait like like the poet. But an almost makes me wonder if this is he's one of these guys that came up with his own nickname. Oh, did you ever have somebody a friend who tried to get his own nickname going allot of kids? Did my dad at one point said, you know, they used to call me spider. I said that's not true. And he said, oh, yeah. And I said, no, I've never heard anyone. Call you spider. And it's an unlikely nickname basketball player. He was. Did it come from there? He claimed it did arms. He's always blocking shots. But I don't think a single person ever said. Hey spider. I mean, maybe he wanted that. Would be a great nickname spider by although it's not really great nickname must stop spied. Did did you have nicknames? I never tried to get a nickname ago. People try myself, but one on you what were the nicknames? I can't I can't think of a nickname Ken is a nickname. I was calling Kenneth for much of my for my entire youth, basically because my dad was already can. So just for ease ease of use. I may start doing. I was the last person in America named Kenna may start calling who was not Chinese. You are super Kenneth really what what is Kenneth. Kenneth sounds like an irritating. British man who knows who goes out to watch the trains. Yeah. Or or or someone in short pants like knickers, who's who knows a bunch of trivial. Name would you if you could get any nickname to catch on no one has ever succeeded in getting a nickname to really attached to me? I call you j rod all the time people do say j rod people say hot rod. That's what you try to get going on. No, my my my high school nickname was spider junior. Some kids. And they were a year older than me. They were seniors when I was a junior they were like word play feeder kids and one of theater, I know one day I came into history class, and this group of boys in the back of the room said, hey, it's rip roaring RAD dog radically rock and refer and Roderick. You still know it because they memorized it and set it every day for the rest of the year. Let's go through them one of the time which of those are true rip dog radical rock and righteously rascal in referring Roderick longer. Yeah. So were you rip roaring at the time scale onto think I would have I think I hoped to be I thought that was pretty flattering where you arrived dog. I was absolutely a rat dog. What's the next one? So so it got short into Radok and a lot of people in my high school called me RAD dog which I thought was a great eighties. That's a dream. Come true, dude nickname. Actually had red dog engraved in my skis. We didn't get a tattoo. Luckily, no, no. But RAD dog is what what it settled on? So rip roaring. Yeah. Maybe read radical. Yeah. I was radical where you refer. I was rocking. I was rascal. But I wasn't referring I didn't smoke pot until after I graduated from high school. So no, they were they assumed I was referring because you're laid back ski get skied read Dr. That's right tude people assumed I was good with girls too. Because I had none of the nicknames referred to that unless you left out of that because it's no longer acceptable in society. Whatever. They had you doing are the women anchor. It's no these guys were theater, dude. So they weren't thinking in those terms, although I guess the people probably have sex with each other all the time that's one of the main advantages of joining the high school theater. The only reason you do something like your dark room botched Olympic village of of broken big velvet curtains and ropes and costume costume changes on the sly. My son has a friend named teddy who has been trying to get THEO going. I guess for years. He's outgrown teddy. And no one will do it. He's teddy. Because once you're teddy. No one's gonna THEO. He needs to move and start over. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm if you move you can do anything you. That's how I finally went from Kenneth Ken had to go to college problem salt every John in my family, and I have to named John and John's all the way back at at a certain point when they became adults. They switched to Jack that became Jack. And I think when I was little when I was little my people, call me, John, John. And I thought there would be a transition moment when I would switch to Jack. But no one made it happen. And I didn't think too. Are you still John John people? Do they think you're the political future the real old ones? Call me, John John. But I feel like the day that I went on Twitter if I had just gotten Jack Roderick instead of John Roderick that was your last best be Jack everybody would know me as Jack. I could have just made the switch or you know, when I released my first album, if I had just called myself, John Jack Roderick, it would have been. No rock. No rock star has ever had something in quotes between their first. And last name. I think that's probably a good move ripper like John ripper. Yeah. It's like spinal tap members. Have that basically front men do not? But yeah, I missed my chance. I'll never be Jack now known ever call me, Jack, James state is always called honest. Dick and accounts historial, though that may be in light of what happened after we prefer, the irony or maybe we just prefer a good honest. Dick, honest, dick. Well, it's a nice resonates against tricky. Dick, exactly what if we had had honest. What if we had on different? Our lives would have been if you had on honest, dick, your life would be very different. I don't know if mine would be different. Yeah. Your your high school nickname out of indifferent? He was so he was a fixture of Kentucky politics just being state treasurer longer than anyone. He's he's Methuselah basically, the Louisville courier journal in eighteen eighty six. And by the way, I was just noticing. We're living the last time where I can mention these old timey papers, and they still exist. There's still a Methuselah journal. Now, they're still. The Louisville courier journal. Isn't that still the Louisville paper? I think so although it might all be one hundred percent online. We have just shocked any future laying bars. It is it owned by McClatchy. Yeah. That means it'll be gone in a week. So nowadays, you mentioned the New Orleans times picayune story of eighteen o eight. And that's a paper that still exist in very soon. All papers will sound equally time except for. The Seattle post intelligence or survived in till two thousand eight or whatever online with employee's making coal somewhere living inside the spinning globe, miss it. I miss cranking out on their MAC books in eighteen eighty six carrier journal road. There may not be another earthquake in Kentucky for twenty years. But no doubt the next one come on. I may we'll find dictate still holding the office of state treasurer. Oh dictate. Oh, maybe that's why he became I can't imagine. No. I can't imagine. You don't think they were wordplay into play theater? I think they were. But I don't think that's how you get an IC name at an eighteen eighty seven the paper pokes fun at his long term of office jokingly telling readers Tate had served under Andrew Jackson during the war of eighteen twelve and it helps in the battle of New Orleans. He's a great old man and deservedly popular. So he he's just everybody's friend. And in fact, the encyclopedia of Kentucky which came out at that time. I addition I have I have the firm. Edition here. Do you still get the yearly turned quickly to the colonel's entry? And then your face all another year contemporary to the period, the encyclopedic claimed the Democrats actually owed him a lot of their dominance in politics. It wasn't just baked in postive award vantage. It really was that he was a master beloved. I see and he was kind of the face of the party. So is influences outside it's just for a state treasurer. Can you state treasurer of Washington state? I can oh I should be able to just don't even know the US has treasure. Right. Isn't there signature still on money? Is that still a thing secretary of the treasury? No, the secretary of the treasury and the treasurer their signatures both used to appear on the money. But I think no more they're both there. I just pulled out a five dollar Bill and the secretary of the treasury is the twenty thirteen who was. Obama's but you can read the treasurer of the United States side Ross, boom, tastic Rios. Well, it is. Now, there's no middle names. Boom, tastic woman Jovita Carranza the treasurer of the United States is the treasurer of the United States. I'm trying to read who this is rod Ross Rios, April two thousand seventeen Karan's. It's often a woman I've noticed when I look at money treasure is often a woman, I don't know if that's tradition or if it's will a boat in that gets thrown because the guy wants the cabinet level position or no, you're absolutely correct. It has we have had a female treasurer going all the way back to. The last male treasurer was under Harry Truman, really, this is absolutely an episode of the omnibus. Yeah. We should definitely not do this. Now, Harry Truman appointed the first female treasurer of the United States, and it has been woman ever since once you found out they were doing a better job. And in fact, an African American woman was the treasurer under Jimmy Carter Rosa does not say boom tastic it says Ghouma tau tau, which is so apparent real her. It's been a Latino woman for a couple years. If if we'll so Jovita Karonga, what a wonderful phrase before that is Rosa Rio's. And before that was Anna Cabral, Anna Escobedo brawl so and then before that rose REO Marin or Marin there's an important thing with usca permanently run by Latino winning. I love this this is and then Mary Ellen with row before that Owen before her last wasp mary-ellen that's perfect last wasp name, well, except let me look but before that Catalina Vasquez via it pound. Are we thinking Maryland throw is going to be an African American woman. No. But well, let me see she looks like Barbara Bush on this picture. So does little she was Clinton's treasurer, he broke the mold by not having a Latina? There are a lot of into Seattle Latina there. There are a lot of my bell. There are a lot of industries where women get locked into particular jobs, just by tradition. And and that's kind of what? Shows you that that's what keeps them out of other jobs failure of imagination like for many years in Hollywood every movie was shod and designed and whatever by man, but it would be edited by winning all the film editors still true. A lot of a lot of the great editors women. Yeah. And clearly the women could do all those job the other jobs as well. So it's just there was one avenue to success that the patriarchy would allow and they were like, I'll be woman. I'll be fine. I'll be a woman. I was born film editor that was my pronoun, and I've decided to also be a woman. Why are we talking about this because he's the state treasurer for many years? He's a great man and deservedly popular, which is what the newspaper says an encyclopedia Kentucky says it would seem that his lease on the office might be regarded as a fixed fact, so nobody can even imagine a version of Kentucky without this beloved good ole boy, honest, dictate holding the purse strings, but in eighteen eighty seven election. The Democratic Party has its first real scare their nominee is Simon Bolivar Buckner old Bulevar apparently was born at the exact right year for his parents to be very into the stories of Simone bullet are liberating South America. So yeah. So that's something. We don't do anymore. White white kids being named after great Spanish or Latin American leaders, but it was not infrequent in the early days of yours. Hugo chavez. Born it might have been the last incident. Yeah, I probably pulled the trigger too fast on that. I was like, yes, the great hope of socialism is alive in the western hemisphere. Little Hugo, I name you after him. But it didn't go. Well, so some boulevard Buckner is a civil war hero. But he's running against a real spell binder. A great orator William O. Douglas, the rising star of the Kentucky Republican party Douglas. We'll hear from him later and misspoke not future supreme court Justice. William Douglas, right muscle memory. He was from Minnesota. It's William o Bradley was their young rising star William, Bradley. And so he's running in this overwhelmingly democratic state. So what do you do if you're if you're the other party he runs on kind of a good government ticket, right? He's not interested in the divisive issues. He just wants to tell you that. These fat cats have been in power to law. Sure, he's here to clean. Up washing. He's going to drain the swamp. Cleanup Frankfort Kentucky drain the swamp of Frankfurt. And so that's what he's campaign becomes. Why do we need this new department of agriculture? And why do we need all these new railroad? Commissioners, and this fancy new penitentiary here all this this management, it's actually causing a brain drain. He says all these gifted young kernels are draining out of the state and becoming Ohio colonels at Virginia. Colonels rhubarb rhubarb. And this becomes very hard for Douglas to Douglas fir Buckner old boulevard refute because it's largely true. The Democratic Party has been power too long. And they're kind of even within the party a lot of people are saying, yeah, this guy's not wrong. Buckner is not a great candidate Buckner knows Bradley, better speaker and even refuses to debate him at their only debate he says, are you the one that says it's somebody else's ready? My speeches and Bradley. Yeah, everybody's saying that and he's like that's a scurrilous claim, and I refuse to share the stage, blah, blah, and he never debates the guy again. Pretty genius job. So old boulevard narrowly wins the election, but he Bradley has cemented and Kentucky's view this idea that something is amiss in Frankfurt, and we need to start looking under the rug and seeing what kind of dust. It's been swept their, incidentally, this is the exact same Buckner old boulevard. Term governor is marked by two terrible fuhrer's one over on a stick. As we see the other is the Hatfield mccoys. He was governor during their when their few turned bloody over in the eastern part of the state. Yeah. And that was that made a big enough stir that it it moved the political needle. Yeah. I mean, that's something that's going to be in the omnibus for sure we have not done the Hatfield mccoys. But the legislature agrees to this idea that comes out of the auction, which is we need an audit. Let's show that everything's above board. So they tell honest K we're going to audit the books and he's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Gimme a couple weeks. Just to get. Everything in order. So they're not auditing because they've found any irregularities. They're just doing it as like become a political bring cleaning. But there, and there does appear to be some belief even on the democratic side that yeah, we could use some double checking of how government is running. I think the Democratic Party may be divided. Not everybody thinks Buckner is a great old boulevard. A great governor. Maybe they said bolivar hard to say, there's no way they said see Mon Bulevar book Nair, but they say Simon Bolivar Simon Bolivar Simon Bolivar sounds like a dickens character. So they agreed to postpone the audit. And then but the legislature keeps on just gonna need a couple more months. Tate keeps making excuses and nobody minds because he's on a stick, right. Finally in March eighth very persistent legislator forms, the audit commission sends them to Frankfurt, and they get to the capital to find that honest. Dick is not there. And when inquiries are made. A clerk remembers having not seen him for the last week. I'm listening the clerk saw on a stick a week before holding a large role of bills stuffing. A coin person is pocket and dragging two large tobacco sacks filled with cash in coin he said he was going to be going to Louisville on business and left a note. He'd be back in two days seems reasonable now seems reasonable to you anybody else perhaps would be suspicious in this situation. We're honest, dick. But it's on a stick. So nobody can complain about this guy who is literally stuffing his pockets with cash coins. He leaves leaves the treasurer's office. And this was a time when it was almost exclusively a cash economy in a lot of these. You said there was no Scrooge mcduck vault. But the state of Kentucky did have a volt right and cash would go in and out gold and silver would go in and out. It's not like you just direct deposited your paycheck. And and immediately started pay Pelling all your creditors. There are investments, and I'm sure there there's not everything. In number checks. Yeah. Checks and then there's pension funds and other things to administer that are not just money in a room in tobacco sack. There's a ton of money in a room apparently with purses and tobacco sex at the ready. And when he has not come back from Louisville after the two days and people start asking questions, they remember some facts, which are a little bit suggestive, for example. He had a large family, which always seemed to enjoy a very nice lifestyle. Bright, even his extended relatives even his son-in-law who is apparently famous as a scape. Grace and mountebanks. Oh, dear. You are a scape. Grace at amount of Bank yourself. I was in high school when you were rip roaring red dog radical Rockin righteously, rascal and referring Roderick reportedly referring he was amount of Bank that guy was a narrative will, but you know, it could be that they were just frugal and and manage their money. Well, sure, what a cop's wife suddenly has a for coat and he's got a new. Car. Doesn't mean he's on the ticket doesn't mean he did tons of job. No. He's just been saving up. People. Remember that he was enormously generous the thing everybody loved about him. He do anything you want, including a large loan and time you wanted money now. That's where he got the name on a stick. That's yeah. Of course. He's honest. He's giving me money. The audit finds that even governor, Leslie, the former governor of the state of Kentucky got five thousand dollars from honest dick in eighteen seventy two and gave him a little bit. There you go Kentucky is apparently full of people who have given these chits James honest, dick, Kate see now, we're seeing how politics works because none of those people are going to come out again. Yeah. It's weird. How the governor? The governor was never like where getting this five thousand. I don't know doesn't matter. And then we start to see people whispering dirty words, like pecu- Latian and foul -cation, dear. These are thirty word popular have you ever committed or do you with a minor? No, I've seen it done. Those are nineteenth century terms for embezzlement, which are delightful pecu- Latian Deval cabin. And when the audit commission actually takes a look at the books. They find that the treasurer's office is in shambles Odier, there's essentially no demarcation the between honest, Dick's private finances and the state of Kentucky he appears to have treated at all as one large pool. Like, the vault of the state has his family effects in it. One of the assets in the vault is a little coin, I filled with gold and silver. It's clear belongs to a deceased child from the Tate family, and it's just sitting in the vault. So I don't have a sense of how big the treasurer's office of state of Kentucky in the mid nineteenth century would be like square footage or number of employees number of employees. Like how many clerks are there? Yeah. He has clerks under him. But I guess he's honest dick saying, no, no, no, no, no. The books are fine. You don't get my system or I've made another private arrangement or it's all going to write. He'd also invested some of this public money in just kind of crazy ventures that didn't work out on medicine, wildcat stocks mining mostly I think that was kind of the patent mining and real estate speculation. So a lot of his pecu- locations were speculations. And maybe he would have fattened his own coffers on them as well. Maybe he's just on a stick. And he doesn't he's a good old boy who doesn't see much of a difference. What's good for the for the gander? It's good for General Motors. Good for the gander as the old saying goes, sure, you can see this throughout politics even. Even on today. Once you get someone that's affecting in office who seems to be reading affected seems to be representing the interests of your of the state or your constituency boy, it's a lot harder to question their integrity because they spread it around. I mean, I think that's the mafia method to right everybody gets a taste. And so so the boss stays in power. Do we think that he's a mafia on purpose? Or is. He just such a good guy that all his worst impulses once given money and power. I mean, I don't I don't really know what to think about honesty like it. Party goes back to this age old question of like how bad would I be given the opportunity like I think of myself as a good person, and I've certainly never done any serious pecu- lines or defalcation of any kind. But have I just never been mad at somebody to throw the swing? I never been mad enough to the near a cliff to push them off have I never badly had a family emergency where I needed the money at the same time as I was a custodian for just the right amount of that. I'm sure I would pay back before people found out I feel like money in particular and state money is. They're kind of unreal. Or fantastic. Right. It's not like this guy had a MBA from Thunderbird school of global management. He was a guy with the seventh grade education who suddenly was money in money out things needed to get paid for my job tonight. Everything's the governor governor is five thousand bucks. Sure, I'm the treasurer. And so when something comes across his desk, we need a turnpike. He's like, here's the money. And then somebody else says we need to we could make a bunch of money speculating in silver mining without a without a really clear basis in financial understanding. He you could see just a layman not knowing the distinctions and not understanding what the public trust is. John. Do you have a website? I do I have John Rodrick dot com. I have the long winters dot com. I encourage people to go. Visit both of those things must be super hard to build and create a website. It was hard in the early days of web stuff, and I had to rely on webby people and then people people came expense their weady feet, but then squarespace came along. And I ended up building both John Roderick dot com and the long winters dot com on squarespace, and that has been incredibly easy, easy for me to maintain and administer I dearly love, my wife, but I would never describe her as a technical person. But she has this home business now where she teaches cooking and baking classes, two kids at home and at schools, and she said up with squarespace and she ended up like the same day, even though she was very intimidated. They have these really beautiful templates. I mean, any style of website you could. Possibly imagine. They have it kind of prebuilt for you twenty four seven customer support. You just step into it. You populate it with your own content, and it goes up, and it looks great. And it looks individual. You know, it doesn't look cookie cutter they do Email campaigns. Now, if you want to send out website content over Email to your subscriber lists start doing that immediately. Well, let's finish the ad and then you can start sending out emails people. My Email blog so John does that everybody else checkout, squarespace dot com slash omnibus for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch you can use the code omnibus to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website, or domain. Nice squares bays. Even if he gets into the trouble, honestly, he is certainly dishonest by the time he's well into it. Once he realizes there's a problem during his last few months in office. He started paying for everything state wise in checks, right? He's Doug paddling, even transactions would have been cash and again super suspicious alarm bells should have gone off. But he's honest, dick. And he knows and the fact that it's all these speculative ventures means that he probably thought he could do very well for himself as well. The total Bill turns out to be two hundred and forty seven thousand dollars in eight hundred eighty eight American dollars, which is the factor is somewhere in the order of thirty times when you take inflation into account. So that's millions six or seven million dollars today. Still five thousand dollar check for the governor's one hundred fifty thousand dollars or more two hundred thousand dollars. But when you think about the scale of graft in our modern time seven million dollars. I mean, I guess people still embezzle seven million dollars from their their father's trucking company. But there are swindlers of our era who have swindled in the billions, many more zero hard to imagine that seven million would obs- gone with that would be enough to like live the rest of your life. And I suppose I could live on seven million. Do you think if you cut back? Back on genes budget and your guitar pick budget and your postcard budget. How long do you stretch out the seven I think I could make seven million last until my dying day? There are surprising number of people. Who think I saw you win a couple million dollars on TV can like you must have just got an island and disappeared. Also, weirdly, a surprising number of people. Now who think again that money is a fantasy? I've had conversations with fully grown adult people who have said when the lottery hits fifty million. They're like, well, I mean, if you won that it's not like he would be rid people who've too to back the other way, they're like, I mean, fifty million millions not what it was. And it's not worth like buying a lottery ticket because it's not like it's not like five hundred million often used in financial planning is you can use four percent of your of your net worth for you can count on four percent interest every year. And that's. For one hundred years. Our keep you safe and never touch the principal. But. Four percents in a permanent way. So four percents fifty million only gives you two million dollars a year income so you can see where you'd have to scrimp. I mean, it's not your wouldn't be rich. You just be comfortably middle class American. Nobody's everybody's comfortably. Did you? Hear did you see Howard Schultz of Starbucks saying that he doesn't like the word billionaire people would say people have mean people of. Well, Jason people have mean, the idea the nerve doesn't want people to I need a euphemism. For the fact that I have this in Saint sick amount of money to be called rich is really discriminatory. A mean thing to say to four Howard Schultz. I mean that whole misunderstanding where he moved to the basketball team all forgiving our future, president of the United States Howard Schultz. Sorry, if you're listening to this in future and president shelled still has this iron grip on power all hell president. Vent. So despite what he claimed James state never went to Louisville. It was the classic leave a note to the place. You're not going when they turned the u-turn assigned the other way on on hanna-barbera laugh Olympic. So they'll follow your trail the wrong way. He actually taking the train to Cincinnati, not even telling his wife and family, I think or at least having left them behind Cincinnati. The capital of Kentucky pretty much. Let's be honest across the river. He's dragging his tobacco sacks full of money. You can imagine the Bill spilling out as hops aboard the train his family was very ill-treated in his absence. Which is why I think maybe they did not know what was going to happen. He's just abandoned his wife and kid and his wife and kids and Kentucky is shock. It's only seven million dollars. But first of all, I'm sure budgets smaller back, then that's a pretty big deal. And second of all it's on a stick of people. Right. If beloved face the Democratic Party for almost twenty ruined the nickname, honest for centuries you ruined the nickname, dick. Dick us to be good. People used to love, dick. The the newspapers reported that this way such a flash of light and appeal of thunder as never before seen or heard came out of a clear sky. Well, they were nothing had done an awful lot of hyperbole in nineteenth century newspapers. Yeah, that's the least hyperbolic sentence in that paper. Probably incidentally, the the Kentucky courier is owned by Gannett. So it's got a week left. They offered one hundred people buy outs since we've been doing this show. Like this episode of the show. So he's removed from office in essential. He's criminally indicted on four different counts of various kinds of and pecu- Latian. It turns out he his office was bonded for three hundred thousand dollars more than he had spent two rich Kentucky Colonel types, whose NetWorth total net worth was a lot more than that. And he had lent out a lot of that money to other people. So historic the stories that have been told about generosity, we're not untrue. People hastened to come forward before they were found out to say he gave me ten thousand dollars back in the eighteen seventies. Or whatever also. So it was a spiderweb of of indebtedness. Yeah. And the state begins recouping a lot of this money from people coming forward and saying, oh, well, I still have this Chit from from Tate, but it's a political catastrophe for the Buckner administration for old boulevard for the Democratic Party. The word for political corruption in Kentucky becomes Tatum Tatum. More Tate, again still thing you can accuse someone of local. Politics. I prefer to say I prefer to say he's tastes charged. Terrible. You should be keelhauled for some of your eighteen ninety one. The Kentucky constitution is even overhauled to institute term limits. Just because the idea is he turned bad because he was in for so long. Oh, this is this is famous about Kentucky that they had term limits into the nineties like. You couldn't even be governor twice in a row one term until ninety two. I think and what do you think about that? By the way, if you're a fan of the professional politician term limits or your enemy. Well, I mean, that's the thing you lose institutional memory. What you gain is. I guess political class of neophytes, and what you lose is anybody. That knows. Yeah. Imagine working all your managers have to change. I think the the mistaken premise is that new people from outside are honest and not able to be corrupted by special interests. And that's just a fallacy new. That's my my assumption is that's an illusion. Yeah. Just because the opportunity nobody almost nobody will say, no Tut Tut. I turn my face away from your briefcase of money and most people that that are noobs in government come from an industry or an area, which is a -ffected by government. So somebody from the trucking industry who is tired of regulation decides to run for office because they have this firsthand experience of government, and it's bad and on the other side of the aisle. You have people that are. In advocacy. Activism who run for government because they're constantly on the activists side, combating government, I'm not going to build sides that though if we have the chance choice between Cole lobbyist running the or environmental activists. That's not a tougher. You know, it's not. But you find that the hog trading or the horse trading happens both ways there will be good at their job. Neither will be good at the job as exactly right. Yeah. So the state of Kentucky finds itself out only forty thousand dollars, and they decide not even to the state supreme court. I think rules the bond men are not going to be legally liable for Tate's defense -cation. I guess they found some fine print that got them out of it. But they issue so they're on the hook for forty thousand eight hundred eighty eight dollars a five thousand dollar bond for his arrest. But he has gone. His family tells everyone that they have received that he's committed suicide overseas in in shame as one should do. Sure. If you're going to commit suicide overseas, it should be in. Shame. You're going to be ashamed overseas. You should commit suicide. I think if you're going to what's the what's the third option. We leave out if you're gonna commit shame shamefully commit suicide. You should leave the country. I right. Right. But his family later minutes they actually received four letters from him from four different countries. He was in stuffed full of coin write all the letters are tobacco sacks. He was in British Columbia. Then he was in San Francisco, then graft hideouts, it's really are these are the places you would go some waterfront of San Francisco bothering Cooley for a ride across across the Pacific. He's in Japan. He's in China in eighteen ninety the New York Times reports that he has died in China on flimsy report. Those would have been exciting times to be in China if you had a tobacco sack full of cat. Oh, sure. I mean, like, that's that's like somebody today who decides just to I have my one million. I sold my storage locker business. I'm gonna live king in Costa Rica, right people, do my sister-in-law. Apparently Mindy sister is combing the world looking for a place where she and her husband can just like retire. It. Fifty their their high school teachers that they think if they find the right part of Malta, or I don't know if multi the place, but you're skeptical of a little you have a theory about this. And it's not Malta. Let me tell you something about Malta, Ken. I feel access John entry. There are a lot of bad. If you went right now, there are a lot of websites devoted to this idea. Like, how do I on a teacher? Slovenia? We're Slovenia law. Bovi we're in lower Slovenia where in Portugal is the weather nice and the east cheap. That's what it is people also want to live like kings in those places. They don't wanna move somewhere cold and live in a shack. They wanna live on a beach and have somebody bring them drinks. They also, socialize your health care. Even though you think it would shake up the stack too much. No, I'm sure that. I'm sure that in some Polynesian archipelago that the health care's free and colleges free. It's all free. It's with shark teeth instead of sutures it's paid for with money out of tobacco sack. No one knows where the sack came from this weathered old sack that says Bank of Kentucky. It's seven years later after his purported death. The New York Times reports again that now he's planting coffee in Brazil. I don't know if they issued a correction, and he rolled the rock back from his case. Stretches. Not dead yet. Let me go get my tobacco sack. He according to the New York Times, he has even returned to the states brazenly coming back for the joining a delegation for the eighteen ninety three world's fair in Chicago. He's gonna he'll flee, but he's not gonna miss a world's fair rhubarb. He's not insane. His daughter at this time wants him to cleared dead. Right. Oh, you're not surprised. Well, no because she would then be absolved of the besmirchment of her what she's not like she thinks she's taking some kind of she wants them to clear dead. So she can get on with her life. She also has a life insurance policy. And in eighteen ninety eight A Kentucky corner blige's issues the death certificate, and she gets her money. The account in the encyclopedia of Kentucky. Reads Tate was never again seen by Kentucky. It'll be the most reliable kind of witness. He was very popular in Honduras. He's silence on whether in Ohio, enter Tennessee might have seen him. But. Trust is a is a Kentucky. And they promise you, they'll get you a Kentucky Colonel ship in which case, I would I would caution restraint. But this is the classic or was he because in eighteen ninety seven the same year that the New York Times that he was planning coffee in Brazil, a former Senator n w utley. Remember something unusual that happened him a decade ago when he was in Japan as a Methodist missionary he was he was criss crossing the country seeing the sights he was at a hot springs in Nico. And he was at the port of Yokohama, and he was the beautiful old capital of Kyoto and all of them. He kept running across the same person by chance an elderly gentleman somewhat care ward burdened who said he was an American who had been living late late in Canada. So a Canadian hyphen American gentlemen, and they hit it off famously and would smoke Manila cigars in their hotel rooms together of an evening and utley a Kentucky and himself was surprised to find out. How knowledgeable this care? Warren, gentlemen, was about the history and affairs of the screen Kentucky. But he was he was a Kentucky. But did not know the story of honest, dick, surely he would have been versed in on a stick. I don't know who that is. But he sounds very handsome. Tate ism. I don't think I don't know if I'll ever asked him about or if you remembered that in hindsight, but in eighteen ninety seven because this wasn't that much longer. No, this would have been immediately after his departure from from the shores of land lot Kentucky. But in eighteen ninety seven the daughter was following her insurance suit utley had opportunity to see the letters the family had produced from Tate in Japan and one apparently had come from the resort at Niko and one had come from Oklahoma and one had come from Koto and looking at his notes ugly is surprising the dates match exactly when he had seen his own Kentucky in gentlemen, in those exact three cities in the exact order. So he may have been the last Kentucky ever to set is on the allusive, honest tick, and when he wrote his account for the newspapers, he took a very benign view of this peculiar and developer. And embezzler. Look, I'm not going to both sides. Can I think honest dick is dishonest? You are against pecu- location all of its forms. Thank you for taking a stand. Well, this is my chance to play. To plant a flag. I wanna be on for the record that embezzling seven million dollars. From this Kentucky is not something you consider under five five. Find disagreeable. Have you ever? In fact, invested seven million dollars from Kentucky. I am. No. I'm not an embezzler. I used to do the books for some businesses where I worked, and I was very proud that. I was my books were tight and clean. I mean, there is some satisfaction and fleeing to the far east with tobacco sacks full of money. But there's another kind of satisfaction. That comes in getting a column figures in a ledger to come out. Exactly, right. Perfect. It's hard to say for someone like me, even more satisfying. I have a real fantasy about obs- gone ding to the east with sacks full of money. But it's always a no country for old men context where I steal the wealth from from someone worse from baddies, right, right? And it's hard to say that the Kentucky taxpayer teenagers. I'm sure they were awful on a lot of accident terrible. But but. It's not a drug deal gone. Gave you that money in good faith. But by the nineties. Senator perhaps because he's a product of the spoil system himself. This is all after the Pendleton act by the federal government's been largely reform, and you can no longer just give money jobs freely to anyone like supposedly supposedly, but ugly to turn a blind eye to honest Dick's perhaps an alleged pecuniary. Cutie? It's not just making lies like pecu- locations. Pecuniary pecu- lesions. He calls him one of nature's towering noblemen whose generosity inbounding fellowship had proved the reckon ruin of his life. Wow. He was a victim. You see of his own good spiriting and goodwill towards fellowmen. I was probably the last Kentucky into grasp his hand. And look into his I this is a little ridge considering didn't know he was a hand which lapsed into stillness darkness is that of a fugitive to hear heaven mixed metaphor yet a hand that had never been raised. But at the behest of generous impulse well, well and an eye from which there had never escaped one glance of envy, avarice or malice. I wonder if if people will eulogize Bernie Madoff the same way. And that it never been raised to right of balancing check. And that concludes entry five nine six dot e x zero two eight. Certificate, number two, three four seven one in them. Future llings unlikely event that social media still survives into your time. Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Cesspool 's swamps, and yet they outlived the Louisville courier journal sad. But true, and we are in their creatures of the swamp. I am an alibi. No alligator who is maladaptive to live in the dark waters. I am a yawning plus dangling from above. I might hell. You can find our tweets can Jennings at John Roderick at omnibus project at Jack Roderick, are you going to get that one at John or read? Jack runner reportedly refer in Roderick should have done at John rat dog Roderick maybe that is still there. Well, you need to get it right now before this time capsule gets on earth. You can Email us at omnibus project at how stuff works dot com. Ken will almost certainly answer your Email. Eventually you can go to our fan group. I'm future Ling's on Facebook. Where of very very, active and. Merry band trades. Recipes sacks full of tobacco sacks full of cash currently stories of overdue library books and laughing at me because I called Charles Darwin. Charles Dickens, turns out to different people. Lol new hardy Har I have been under that misapprehension for many many years. We we get actual mail. We received some mail today. We got a box of a couple of different pounds of coffee, which immediately went to me because Ken doesn't coffee. No one's any post them as I keep questing scored big there. I got a very nice letter from a young man sixteen year old in in North Carolina. I think and what else did we get today in the mail. We got some postcards. We get wonderful postcards from people. Somebody wants us to send their beloved free anniversary present. That's right. I got invited to someone's. When you got to save the date. I did they don't want me there at all unless you have a plus one. I felt like that was on. Unusual that they would invite me to their wedding. But I want you to come with me if I go it's Massachusetts. It's a gay. What? No, I don't think straight win, and they still have those. Although who knows I don't want to normal. Norm normative is their their wedding. They could identify any number of different things. They should know that you will not bring a nice gift, and you need me for a plus from our gift will be our attendance. Or in our case, maybe our gift will be our non-attendance. But anyway, we do get mail, and it's lovely basically John will DJ or what is what he's saying. Yeah. Last week, we got some some nudie posters. Some nudie calendars would hang in a garage auto repair Zealand from his girls were upside down. What else did we get? What we got is a brochure from someone who is assembling full Cadillac. The world's sidewalk what's cement markings. This is a wonderful wonderful idea. She's trying to build a database of photographs and geo locating spots GIO locations. Coordinates coordinates thank you of all this all the spots. Where somebody's carve their name into the cement or a dog walked across what cement or bird. I think it's a great pro you each have one of those on our property, and we were kind of wondering if it has to be a public thoroughfare to be of interest in my backyard, all the people that lived here when they poured that concrete around that's women. Cool the all their names in it. But I don't think you'd want that on her map because then people be tromping through your yard. You don't want it on her mouth, you want somebody coming to see your no, I want someone coming to see yours and maybe into your fool. It's kind of booby-trap try now, and the it's maybe we. Should do that. It should be a great prank where you go geo locate some some graffiti on your friends property or in the middle of missile testing range, or it'd be like signing up your pal for for a magazine subscription to hilarious magazine that happened to us, by the way. I don't know if it was because people were mad at me online or but you did get a racy series of racy postcard. But in addition to that like years ago, I was getting just car, and driver, and modern maturity and. Photography weekly random stuff too. Yeah. I think just because they were but the jokes on them. I got amazing magazines another pay. The worst prank anyway, send us stuff to PO box five five seven four four shoreline. Washington. Ninety eight one five. Listeners from our vantage point in your distant. We have no idea. How long are current kleptocracy will survive, we hope and pray that whatever Armageddon we fear may never come. But if the cataclysm come soon this reporting like recordings, maybe our final word. 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LADS#172 - Red Wine and Arepas: How Football is Becoming Venezuela's Religion by Jordan Florit
"All right guys welcome into lads podcast. This is a Thursday special. I'm going to be completely honest with you. This is probably the greatest interview we've ever had on lads and I'm trying to be hyperbolic or trying to hype up this show show or anything like that because you know it's like you me my mom. You're the only people who listen to the show but we just had Jordan floor. It who is writing a book about Venezuelan football. We got a writer some Guy Hi who is taking the time starting a kickstarter to write this fucking amazing book about Venezuelan football and for me like we talked about in the episode when I think Venezuela I think turmoil I think fucking civil war I think about like Donnie fucking trump trying to send troops. There were invaded or whatever I don't know. I don't fucking watch the news but I got lost in this episode. When you listen to this episode you're going to be like oh like he started off by calling this a Saturday special when this finally dropping dreamlike what happened because I was in the middle does interview and I was like I need the posts immediately so this is why this is going out? Now it will say when I introduced us. It'll be a Saturday special but Jordan was an absolute delight like he he was able to you know he seemed like a serious guy but I was talking about a very serious topic about Venezuela and this show is about like people just hanging out. I mean like Kelly bar conversation. Just you know people shooting. The Shit and Jordan was so articulate articulate in so well rounded that I wanted to put this out as soon as possible. It's nine forty two pm on a Wednesday night. Obscene positions amid nicest will be for Thursday listening but I'm just like enthralled. I am just completely geeking out about how well this came out so I'm done talking about it. <hes> his book is called Red Wine in a ROBA's <hes>. There's a kickstarter and put the links to all. Please just enjoy enjoy the show. This is the best work we I think that has ever been put out by this channel so please enjoyed the show. There's no ads is a new AD show. There's no breaks. I just want you to hear everything. Jordan has to say I've been talking too along been drinking too many long trail as so please enjoy the show and thank you again for all your support welcome into our Saturday special. I am joined. You'd today probably smartest guests we've ever had <hes> by Jordan Flora. Am I pronouncing that correctly. That's that's good awesome. <hes> Jordan is all the way in London if you have noticed the accident we don't really get that many Brits on this show also is that offensive to say George. Can I say Brits. Are you gonNA take offence. Is that okay. No I might say offense law personally informs aways Ri- English but <hes> yeah it doesn't bother me British English the Donka okay all right cool well that makes it easy so Jordan wines you know praising him already. He is currently writing a book titled Red Wine and a rapists is a high said that's the well Oh yeah but I guess is <hes> I always going to be pronounced differently based on where you are on EUBOEA episodes good great it is it is red wine in a rape a-as how football is becoming Venezuela's religion if you go and follow him on twitter which you better do go follow on twitter at the Fossil Barrow. I'm going to be tagging him and so you go follow him. He has a kickstarter coming soon. It's his debut book on so exciting. We we have an author of soon to be author on our show. This is wild and British so you're just pushing us up the podcast soccer podcast echelon right now Jordan so thank you of course so I just want to start with your background a little bit so us before we get into the inspiration behind this book. What is your association with football? I will call it soccer. I won't call for the sake of for your sake anyway. So what is your association with football. We were actually just talking before. I was talking in behind Linda brought in Wales and how Gary Monk used to play for your local team on the saints correct yeah yeah so in the early two thousands. He was a defender at the club he wasn't it wasn't a first choice centre back. When I saw it following them I was clinic bombing Dean Richards and then and then later <unk> microbes fencing but yet he I remember him for my childhood mainly because I'm on championship manager a lock in Old School Football Management Game he had eighteen eighteen twenty for positioning which was one of the key attribute so even though in real life he wasn't in the fast team I- ways have them in mind <hes> well? That's good to know I know. Swansea loved him. At the time before you know things went a little south and then we brought in then in an American came in and ruined everything like we normally do so Jordan <hes>. What is your like origin like? Where did you grow up? I'm trying to think of like you know the certain biographical questions so do you have a team that support yes. I'm from Southampton. which for for those of you the diner whether is on the the very south coast of England? We've got the art of white just below us just off the coast as I grew up in Southampton in Southampton's the team I support will saints followed them since I was probably five or six might not used to take me to watch him play. When I was a kid he just played lakeside I league football and he take me along with him? Watch and then just like kickable around myself Mellon. He started coaching my school team when I was really young and he was my manager from the age of about six to nine years old than I played youth football all the wife routines than I start applying men's when I was about fourteen or fifteen we stopped playing for the same team so I was playing with my dad and then when I was sixteen oh seventeen the team that we were playing full folded and me in a few school friends decided to start alright team in the men's league that we already playing him and so at that point. My Dad became my player in his manager. Got Us a and then yet you could really well so football for me as as being something. I think that defines Mike Place relationships like football with is what may my dad had together growing up <hes> in the end. I see football as something. That's more than just the game. I really think it something that relationships communities in society has been one. I couldn't agree more. I mean it's you know the great game. I mean the beautiful game and I think it's so interesting because here in America when we think of like youth like how you described how passionate you are as a kid with your father. <hes> being your coach and advice for I mean that's awesome. That's really really cool but it's so much different here in America where there's a stigma where it's like. Oh the mom packs in the van. You go eat orange slices for two hours on a Sunday where there every every single day. It's like all right. Let's go. It's almost like ice hockey in Canada handed. You know what I mean like. Oh it's gone onto the pond everyday. Let's go play. You know what I mean. It's so differently hearing the way you described it compared to like how my other friends were like yeah. We were forced to go like every kid played soccer as a kid till they grew out of it but there it's like no you don't. It's everything so that's that's kind kinda cool yeah and I was fortunate to grow up in an area where you could actually go out on the streets and play football and you know the cause with Dr Slave because it was a cul de sac so you'd see them coming in you get out of the right but I we used to play football games literally the concrete with like garages for goes. I grew up on a big council estate. The equal phrases in America but like you'd I might council estates would have a big field over in the middle rapper side and and everyone would just go down to the field and play football. You'd have kids that were six buying with kids up to the fourteen united. Just that's what my weekend was every weekend growing yeah. That's totally not how I think we're going in the right direction but I mean in terms terms of flake. Kids like Susie get done school during school like all they could think about was like all right when we go you know have a kick about so I want to get to your book which is going to be the main segment of the show. I WanNa know what inspired you what's. How's the writing going? How are you doing research but I have a Southampton question for you? I was very upset when they sacked Claude Pool. I don't know how you felt but I thought that was that was very mean of Southampton. Do My do my boy dirty light that so what do you want to defend Southampton or are you getting defensive huntsman this one so yeah I think a lot of <hes> outside is and Gary Lineker. The much of the day host he's a lester is to find agreed when he went to win. Roy went to Leicester and less defines over time to see how hot his teams by football. I think they began to see what's pumps and fan Su all along so the problem with pro l.. Oh wasn't the results are necessarily because we did finish <hes> in the talk off the table underneath him. Although the gap between Assam relegation wasn't that big so where we finished in the League was almost a deception but the problem was that Huntington Thompson had a clear identity that we built up since probably two thousand nine two thousand ten when the takeover happened when we will by Marcus Lebron saved from administration we had from youth up a set way of playing football in a set way that law plays were being coached Nigel Adkins in terms of the first team bought I in when put Schettino you came in from Spaniel <hes> he really developed that enhanced out from youth level he had older coaches playing Southampton's his teams in the same style with the same takes the same approach and we strayed a bit from that when we in recruitment before clue parole but the problem was Cuban still got results so fines didn't necessarily see <hes> that was a change the way we were buying food because people just walked triple when united enjoy watching it but maybe on thinking too deeply about it so the change in tactics from Puccini to Cuban probably went unnoticed because we still had great finishes on the Cuban we had a sixth place finish in seventh place finish to qualifications for Europe and what fans miss is that we've gone from a high press under put Schettino to a very deep defense played quick counter attacking football that relied on Shane long long inside early Monday to play off of Graziano Pella where we'd move the ball up the pitch really quickly and then include twelve came in again. It was a massive change from how human played football but it was still straying from what our main ethos it was so when twelve came and we had players the one receptive went responsive to how he was playing football and that's where the stagnation cut and it's only really now with <unk> route fasten Hutu rebel in from <hes> rebel leap Zig. We've started to regain our identity in it wasn't a surprise that James Will Kraus suddenly looked a much better player when he came in because we boy in a manager that fit the style the <unk> our economy plays have been trained in since they were like twelve thirteen fourteen so we'll prowse hot the exact ethos of the club and route passing who was out with him so I didn't think it was surprising to that when he came in on you manage of results have picked up. I'm ready confident for next season. Dieting Webby worried about relegation a to an that's fresh off the seasons wet that has been looming a russell season European qualification. Maybe maybe the is really difficult now because you've got the top six is now saw picks south seat out being broken again this year and then like wolves look really strong <hes> Everton author making some moves yeah Everton Everton looking ambitious Leicester have had a great window so far. I think I'm Brenda. Mergers law really write him as a manager. A not like sometimes is a bit the caricature with his catchphrases and liberal came. Sorry Clark's mean missed out yet exactly but I oh I think less the less the removes Everton you know they're gonNa have seven eight nine is is whether three teams going to be in and fighting over. I think Thompson should be happy with a top top place finish while talk that was you know we never get guests who are articulated. Thank you for that. I'm going to get away from Premier League football because the main focus is to talk about your book I of what inspired you to write a book and specifically on this topic topic obviously like I have no aspiration to write a book. I can't even imagine what goes into writing it so I just WanNa let you go ahead. The name of the book is Red wine into Rafe `as how football's becoming Venezuela's religion so go right ahead so I've always wanted to write a book as that was like a dream that I had to one they do it but I was never gonNa fool shit it was either. I'd have an idea that was passionate enough about to pursue or otherwise it would just remain unfulfilled. I wasn't gonNA sit down and I'm going to write book. Let's go for it. I had to had to just happen naturally so the thought process behind it a long prolonged was completely subconscious. I really like Latin America. <hes> I like politics. I like coach like the language half of my family my Dad's side <hes> a Spanish and my granddad died when I was only like ten so I lost touch with the Spanish side. My family's always had this yearning. Going to discover a lot my roots heavy Lichen and not just widened from Spain to Spanish speaking countries when I met my girlfriend he's now my wife. She introduced me Motel Latin America and the coach the music the food that spread throughout that comes in and I like to read a lot so I was reading lots and lots of books about Latin America starting with football books <hes> and I think it will be regret white to line about country. I think that's reflective of communities and cultures especially. If you get a book the has that at the forefront so Jonathan Wilson a British author he's written books on multiple countries trees. He's written a book called the Soviet Union behind the cuts in that was football during era but he wrote it but could angels of that he faces on the history of <hes> football in Argentina <hes> so that's really like an anthropological look at the country I would football as the the mean <hes> and that's what I want to create with my book <hes> red wine in the rappers so how it onto Venezuela was the obvious simply reading through the countries of Latin America no particular order and when go to Venezuela all the books were on Hugo Chavez and the revolution and that was it in English the books on Venezuela where all Nice utopic so I read the mind joy I'm where I normally turned to book about football to learn more about the country in the coach that just wasn't one <hes> so I sort of left it allowing. That wasn't one say what could you do kind of thing and then it was when I was researching the football few years. It's a familiar in interest the I just came across a community that was just really open <hes> to king and discussing about Venezuelan football when I was pitching a piece to website these times and I wanted wanted to write about the current generation the coming through into the first team at the moment unite three years ago they go to the final with the under twenty feet of World Cup and lost to England nil but they had a really exciting team and why found particularly interesting testing is the head coach of the under twenty's as the seniors squats fest <unk> beat them out so a lot of the players <hes> you know have a clear halfway through the youth teams to the first team and when the first senior genius go and that's you know that makes sense. It's logical to have that progression in the same coach. <hes> at the under twenty levels on the senior scored managing international team at least from the outside looking in isn't as busy as wanting a club team team so I think you know that was a really logical move but one that seems so when I saw that no one else is doing that that's great and you take especially as an English finer and a fan of the national team. England have plenty of players play play for the under eighteen and under twenty's the never make the first team they never made the senior school they never go on to play for the Food Squadron Likewise <unk> debut senior squad having never played for the youth teams <hes> and it can sometimes the play is a great you will never make the step up and sometimes simply because the profits blow to me go the problem in England where the top teams will start have the leeway to bring youth plays into their first team to that don't making their senior debuts at high level that don't make no senior debut until their children which when they've missed the opportunity to get into the international scored a standard that you need them to be. I think Venezuela had the setup where oversee the same guy who's running me on twenty on the first team and also in two thousand seven they boy in a rule of the juvenile rule which states that every team in that domestic league must have a under twenty in the starting lineup so I've read domestically game each team has caused at least one and I thought what you're not getting such a logical MiG yet you don't it's not replicated across the world and I was really intrigued by that and how they were Developing Ping that <unk> Venezuela third how strong international boss they have never qualified for a World Cup. I'm you know they never won the Copa America yet. It's a country of thirty two million people whereas Uruguay the population of less than four million have won the Copa America fifteen times more times than any other nation on the continent and of what they won the World Cup twice we'll be right in the first twenty years of the competition but they regularly get towards the end and and I really wanted to look into Venezuelan football not just as a school but also how it reflects society in how it how it standing in the country <hes> has evolved in recent years traditionally. It's a baseball the nation on the Radi- seems to be stopping in the past decade aside and why do you think that is. Why is it taking the you know the mantle over baseball? Do you think <hes> is a I think it's very fascinating just before it gets to that question that I think a lot of the listeners when we think of Venezuela even if you're a soccer fans I think the first thing we think of as Americans Kinda the turmoil in the craziness you see on the news lately I mean every week I see something about you know Donnie here trying to invade Zeta or something and take control. It seems like there's a lot of like <hes> unrest in the country right now but back to my original question. Why do you think <hes> football is becoming? You know <hes> I don't want to take your word their religion but you know the face serve the country. Yes all announced that by our do WANNA come back to the point you made about how Venezuela is perceived from outside the country because it is a big facial right in the book so we definitely comes back to that but I think we've with football on states in the country so why I gave the book I'm the subtitle how football is becoming Venezuela's religion because it isn't isn't a religion yeah. It's the number one sport in Venezuela yet but I think it say a a surge that copy stops. I think it will become the number one sport in the country. I think is inevitable and I actually think he'd be a good person to bounce some ideas off because finally <hes> as an American. I'm stereotyping a bit Pudgy. Me Probably also interested in baseball actually on to be completely honest. I think baseball is so boring. I think that it's like going to a game like I live in Boston right now. He used to live Philadelphia going to fenway park which is like if you think the number one park in America I just went actually went to a baseball game last week and I enjoyed being there because I was with people and drinking. I wasn't really watching the game I find it kind of boring but here in America people still claiming as. America's pastime I think if you were to rank sports in America it would be N._F._l.. American football and then probably basketball and then probably baseball third now. I think baseball used to be in the top dog and now that's kind of like a been passed by the N._F._l.. And N._B._A. be a like a big part of American culture. Okay so what not the sort of links into to my my feeling is as to why I think football will take over in Venezuela and not simply his. I don't think baseball offers is a international representation of your country in the same way that football does lie football. The World Cup is is massive and I know on the baseball have the world series by think football is so representative of communities and is something that funds and even people that aren't fans of football get behind a major national tournament and I think where the country is so divided web Venezuela so divided politically the football team the national team give something that everyone the vast majority can get behind it gives them a a unity <hes> beyond politics. It gives them a unity of representation that I don't think you get from baseball and I don't think I'm wrong. I don't know much about ice pool. Do I don't think you get representation on the national stage for many sport really as much as you do for football <hes> no. I definitely think you know football is the international sport I mean we have a competition. We have the world series that's all American teams playing each other and the Super Bowl is American teams M._B._A.. All Candida now they just want the N._B._A.. Title but I mean when you talk about football the World Cup is literally nations going up against each other so I definitely agree there. I think baseball does a good job. We have a lot of like <hes> South American like a big Puerto Rican Cuban population. I think the make up about thirty percent percent of baseball but it is a minority so bullets move back because you brought this. I brought it up in the circle back to this. Oh let's talk about the perception of Venezuela I actually did it. Venezuelan girl for two two years <hes> the she introduced me to Venezuelan food which is delivered delicious which <hes> going to your title that is a rape a-as which I know I'm pronouncing horribly. That's a Venezuelan dish correct. Yes the behind the <hes> the full behind talk to instead the international teams nicknames Levino Tinto which is means right wind basically and <hes> at passes like daily bread for them so the with the subtitle how Venezuela's hopefuls becoming Venezuela's religion. You've just got the connotations of right brian red wine bread staples of Christianity is a religion. <hes> Sukhoi is play on words in the title in the subtitute. No I love it. Are they a big Catholic country or Chris <hes> Chris. I'm guessing Christian but are they like halfway or are they. Not I have no idea as as a Latin American country it leans towards Christianity. I it has a national religion. I'm not actually sure on that I do not they like famously. Hugo Chavez said Jesus was the first socialist spot the lie yeah so the American. I think the world view Venezuela is that it's not looking oh great right there right now <hes> with would you agree with that yes so I don't think anyone can whatever their political persuasion is other anything anyone can hide from the fact that the country is in a terrible way and the reason I want to write this book is not to change the conversation Venezuela <hes> but to add to it like at the moment we only have one narrative on Venezuela. <hes> I am not as politics is the only way the country is viewed. If you talk to somebody about Venezuela will awesome about Venezuela if I have no knowledge about the country what they will say is that you see in the news <hes> united like you said about Donald Trump <hes> talking about a possible invasion. That's that's who people really know about. The country from what I want to do with this book is is give a number lens free which you can view the country and because I feel so passionately the football is a great representation of communities and Culture and society at large. I think is a great tool to use is to give people an insight and understanding into the country at just another way to learn about Venezuela so what exactly what is your research than like so. Who Have you talked to? What have you found out so far in? I have another question a follow up <unk>. I what what is the research process been like so. It's researching this book. I is actually what made me want to write this book by. I was on bewilderingly researching facebook before I knew that I was going to be writing a book. I was researching for this. One article that right for these times <hes> which I interviewed Christian Kassir junior who he plays for new rebels as central midfielder had really strong start to the season. He's so three goes into assists in the first eleven games. I'm he's doing really well and I reached out to a few Venezuelan journalists on twitter one being a guy who call a structure who's The C._E._o.. Ovais twitter account and and Food Company <unk> cybernetics which specializes in keeping Venezuelan pupil finds up today with Venezuelan players the playing abroad playing outside of the country and I approached him and asked him if if he was happy to collaborate on this off school and it was all about the like I said the beginning pocus generation that is just breaking into the senior squad now and he was more than happy to discuss really happy to talk about Venezuelan football boo. I'm grateful that was in English speaking platform the wanted to talk and the way he was discussing Venezuelan football in the way he was talking about certain players so of gave me a inkling that he may be new some of them personally <hes> so I asked on the off chance you do not have any place it'd be willing to to me <hes> for this article and he put me in contact with Christian <unk> genius who was amicable. He was so happy to tool we spent leaving talking no more stop I just discussing his childhood his football career so far and his aspirations for the future and I wrote the article and it got a good response some Venezuelan football fans believing leaving feedback and they were interacting with social media and I started talking to a few of them about Venezuelan football when the more I spoke to them the mall are open. They were being and I was just thinking there's more to right about here and I. It just was pending nights down for future articles and then it got to the point where I was thinking well. I've got a lot more than just a few articles. Let's see if I can do something bigger with this like let's see if I can run book <hes> so I sounded the idea out to a guy dominant on twitter dominic <unk> Basan you're denied murdering Sunday met but he's a he's a big Venezuelan find very active on social media and I started talking to him a more depth about the idea and he was encouraging despite to call us and he he said go for it. I'll give you the help you need and suddenly I was being putting to contact with people who were like yeah. I know this player I have his numbers and they're just so opening. Don't get in England a tool live. I tried to get hold of a football player in the primarily lies not going to happen and August just mile is just completely open to like a foot coach that just isn't the same as in England always being in contact with saving any different people and suddenly I was off goal. I've got more than a few articles on my handle. I need to do something with this. Like we do must be a shame if I didn't so I looked into writing a book. I I put a pitch together. I sent it to some publishes and I go off at a publishing deal for the book and I looked to it and while I is this good <unk> not for it didn't it didn't seem that my gut instinct was like this isn't very good so I spoke to a few people that I neither Ev- <hes> authored books or in the process of doing site and I said yeah that's a that's a good deal that's going right and I was just absolutely baffled. That that was is considered good. I was offered a run of a thousand books so you know the confidence was that to to print this book and that was confidence that people would buy it and they offered me ten percent of Prophet so I said well what's profit and they said about about fifty fifty percent of the retail price of the book will be Prophet and you'll get ten percent of so I did the maps antiquated to for each book sold. I mean dollars. I'll give it to pounds but for each book <unk> sold the publisher would get about six pounds so maybe seven fifty dollars and I'd get sixty five pay which is probably eighty cents per book so if a thousand yeah let's talk about that next by another thousand bucks sewed thousand sold about eight hundred dollars and the publisher will get about eight thousand dollars and I still this bright light. This is crazy. I don't want to write this book to make money but that isn't right. I'd much RAV self published the book and by Eight Thousand Dollars the publisher could make into producing a good book so I'm GonNa do myself. I'm doing promotion the marketing everything myself <hes> and I'm using kickstarter to to fund the Production and publication of the book and I'll make a guarantee the every penny raised free dot kickstarter will hundred percent begun into the production the publication of the book. I'm going to take a penny from it or they want to profit from rightness book you too. I just didn't want somebody WHO's profiting from it to that extent no and I that's I I gotta say the support you've been getting from other Venezuelans who are like all about giving you numbers numbers and pretty much the hookup when it comes to like saying like in the support you're getting is unreal. I love what you said about the contrast from that English media trying to get English fires because there's this whole stereotype that the media is very bad in England in the English players hate it right. That's that's pretty like you know well known Yes yes and <hes> yeah you'll you'll bang on right like I've been writing in England for nine years now and I I've tried on a few occasions <unk> to a player but knowing from the outset that it was going to be fruitless I used to when I was younger. I used to boo-boy at Southampton Stadiums. Have Mary Stadium so I came across the players week in week out. A lot are changing rooms names will opposite that changing rooms on a few of the players especially when we were in the primarily in the lower leagues the play is they were friendly. They joked they chat to us and <hes> Alex Chamberlain Alex Chamberlain who went to Arsenal and is now at Liverpool he was at the club sixteen seventeen years old when I was booming and I used to joke with him like we are similar ages and I was so cool sorry. I'm an arsenal fan so I love the don't get me wrong so I'm very I'm very like I'm geeking now for you right now and it was great for me like the end of the day he was the same age as me but he was a professional football player and I was a boo boiler I knew the difference but he was talking today and it was great and we ended up friends on face <hes> and I you know I'd I'd make a point of not talking to you too much. 'cause I didn't pass the him. I thought you know I'd say on Saturday after game. All you know great game today he played well and and stuff like that swim around town a few times he'd raises heading in acknowledgement <hes> <unk> yeah that was cool but then when he moved to Austin. I think a month two months off to it's just like delete meal facebook than Eli just me but I just code lawyers of people walk by. You've never mug you off that you you wouldn't have that was no real meaning behind it but you know that's the culture like you drool the bridge up behind you when you become an elite football player because got stacks the environment in England that you do get accounted so it's not worth the risk being open. It's kind of like takedown culture. That's kind of what social media is now. It's not about lifting people out it's like how can we take these people down. How can we figure it out? It feels like not to be negative. There's a lot of positive stuff in the media. I mean look what you're doing. You're making a book about something that honestly no one knows anything about and I'm actually like like crazy because we were talking before. Talking about. Venezuela is not good and this is such a love letter to the country. Almost you're saying like hey like check. Check out. This is something positive you don't usually get great positive media out of Venezuela's. I think you're doing is awesome. In the support. You're getting is unreal which like the craziest thing you've learned while making this book publishers trying to fuck over what's the craziest thing worried about Venezuelan football <hes> craigslist crazy of learned crazy things happening like the either both tell me about so I was. I was talking to a Venezuelan a journalist analyst a free what's up here. I've been talking to for a couple of weeks and he he was putting together a list for me of people that he recommended the I could talk to <hes> and that he would be able to be in contact with and we just chatting one night. And he said Oh does this guy that I think you should talk to. <hes> his is number. She just gave me this number and then he didn't replies me on WHATSAPP for a while. He lives in Uruguay so he's not in the country himself and I messaged this number saying hey my name's Jordan. I've been giving you a number and told the good to talk to. I'm writing a book Bob Venezuelan football and he said Yeah. How can I help you know who you are and what you do? I Dunno you tell me as Illinois players and then he message me nine fine plays that were currently playing Venezuela in Corporate America just like gave me first team plays mobile numbers like we've been speaking for five minutes light was crazy. I was playing fever in my living room. Chatting on WHATSAPP on suddenly light. I was having play numbers just dumped to me. What's up Fleiss? It was just unreal. It was crazy. I just remember turned into my wife and just laughing. I believe this is happening. This is a dream. There's so many times I've had to pinch myself thinking like this is crazy and I went to a during the Copa America wanted to go more than its weight is games like with Venezuelans. If possible I could have just <unk> gains but I wanted to to try and watch it with Venezuelan says <unk> big ex Pat community in London so I found an event where they were screening the game underwent alone and recognize the guy on the door. He's a famous like Venezuelan radio host Heist based in London now and actually emailed him ready asking if he was interested in my projects in if there's any way that he would like to get involved and he hadn't replied to my email but when I went up in spoke to him on introduce myself he said Oh you're GonNa see with me on you. Let me introduce you to someone that I have in mind and he just walks me to the front of the screening to the slot reserved table and he said here's my friend Hector and this guy he's crazy like thirty a two year career in in Sport Brule costing on media and I'm dislike site in absolute amazement thinking about how how am I here why how this happened. It's just crazy. The whole experience has been so opening <unk> made so welcome. I've not I've not had anyone respond negatively. I'm sure there's people to read my messages when I've reached out and just not want to reply but no one's replied negatively whatsoever. I think the most negative responses I've had was still positive in the sense that saying all is great like our help if I can but this one going in Caracas he lives in zero nine five. I will district why not five <hes> which by all accounts like quite a rough area of the capital and I told him I wanted to do and he said that's great but right the England don't come here and that's why he's ice. It's not worth it. It's not wife your safety. Thank come from here is it's not worth the risk and I spiked to him. Over matter of days and I state my intention. The active write a book on Venezuelan Football Without Gutting Venezuela on the it was important to me to even if I couldn't <unk> I'm not going to write the Book Club adopting could produce authentic book without gutting and he was still saying yes your choice but I'm just saying it with your safety in mind I wouldn't do it and your funeral us pretty much unless by this despite his other guy who now works in America investigative investigative journalist who worked in Caracas seven years and I was asking him for some practical advice for like when should I stay law of Hewlett F- aside long what can you what can you tell me and he said it's more dangerous than Kabua Mosul and Oh great okay what would you you're tossing those names around okay exactly but like they're the only dead I need to light extremely negative responses I've had but even they will positive about the project. They were just negative about idea regarding Venezuela the majority of Venezuelans inside and outside of the country have just told me to take precaution <hes> they say like you know you live in London united what you wouldn't wouldn't do late at night or on a night out when you're drunk like behave in the same way just take precautions <hes> so that starts being the the main response to to to me when I've said the I plan on going into Venezuela and the executive president of the Venezuelan football league a ribbon he has been a massive help <hes> he's he's fully cooperating with the book he's doing so much for me and when I told him about these conversations where people were advising me to perhaps guy he rang me and spent half an hour on the phone just reassuring me. I would be safe if I came on just just basically letting me know how it is. He wasn't pulling any punches. He said he said you know what you hear. In the news not all of it is true but at the end of the day that is an economic crisis in the country and you need to be aware of that he wasn't <unk> hiding the fact he wasn't politically biased none of that but I just saw the him to take the time out of his daddy to ring me up and spend half an hour on the phone reassuring me. Just I've just was really humbling uh-huh I mean I think everyone who's spoken to you. On the topic. You're researching has been genuine honest and as least give you the heads up like hey like replay coming here. It's pretty fucking crazy right now. So that's I mean. I think that's probably the coolest thing as well that like the response has been all positive well Jordan. I just WANNA say one more thing. What is this is my last question? I know I've been holding you up. I know it's late <music> over there in London right now. What's the one thing you want readers to come out after reading your book? What's the one thing you'd like them to get out of it? I think if the I stole when somebody mentioned Venezuela was the football instead of the politics back that's that would be great law aimed to change the conversation on the country I just want to add to it and I want people to have more in mind when they think of Venezuela alright while in Jordan <hes> thank you so much for taking the time. I know it's late over there. The book is Red Wine in a rapist. How football is becoming Venezuela's religion? I O link to his twitter the fossil the Barrow and his kickstarter please go support this. This is an amazing project. His name is Jordan Flora Jordan. Thank you so much for coming on live. This has been probably my favorite interview ever because all the usually shooting the shit drinking beer and talking merely which we did a little bit in the beginning but like I feel like the listeners. We're actually going to get something very significant. Thank you thank you so much for coming on. Thank you Kevin Sometimes.
"From foreign policy. I'm Sarah wild Mun. And this is first person this week that as well. To understand the current state of NFL we need to go back all the way to nineteen ninety nine. That's when the leader Hugo Chavez came to power as president chevette immediately began implementing socialist reforms in the state's nationalist wheel company in other industries. He used that money to expand access to food healthcare and education a cost next to nothing to I guess it. Now costs a fifth of a US sent that's a fifth of a penny to buy gallon of gasoline in Venezuela. That's based on black Mark, but all these efforts became unsustainable. And within a decade. Venezuela was gripped in an economic crisis shovel died of cancer in twenty thirteen bringing then vice President Nicolas Maduro into power. But rather that bounden Chavez's socialist policies Medeiros response was to begin arresting those position and silencing the press frustrated by government pressure, not to cover certain subjects on air the bus t. V team hopes on fusses around Caracas, delivering the news in person in these times as journalists we've had to reinvent ourselves in order for information to reach the greatest number of people all the while inflation crime and poverty exploded, the people of in Israel began fleeing by the millions pouring into neighboring countries in search of food and safety because the stream of. Fugees venezuela. Putting a lot of pressure on neighboring countries. Let's take for example, the border town of pocket I'm in Brazil where a mob attacked the group of immigrants over the weekend. And you despite all this Madeira one another six-year term last may critics decried the process people said votes were rigged within this month. Something strange happened. After Maderas inauguration in January. His presidency was challenged by thirty five year old opposition leader one quite. He's the president of the national symbol of Venezuela. It was a bold move. But soon after Guido was bolstered by the United States, Canada and other countries all desperate tobacco new leadership in Venezuela, as you know on January the twenty third President Trump officially recognized the president of the Venezuelan national assembly one go IDO as the interim president of Venezuela. Venezuela's national assembly invoked article thirty three of the country's constitution to declare nNcholas Maduro illegitimate and this week the Trump administration, and I was new sanctions in an attempt to squeeze metro from power. We have continued to expose the corruption of Madero and his cronies and today's action ensures they can no longer loot. The assets of the Venezuelan people we expect secretary Mnuchin. So what's next, and what is I've been like for Venezuelans have been enduring these hardships hued help us answer. These questions is Johnny Ruffo. She's a human rights activist from Venezuela who came. Into the United States twenty sixteen. She still works with human rights organizations on the ground in Venezuela. But she prefers that we don't use their names. She's with me here in the studio. You grew up in Caracas. Tell me about your children. Yeah. Well, it was boring. Minnesota nineteen Ninety-one I from like, a normal middle class family, and or life was not luxuries, but we always have food in our place. We have access to education, we have a house of own but suddenly like in between to Tulsa and twelve and two thousand sixteen ever since are falling apart. So hold are you at that point twenty four. So when you say you grew up in a typical middle class house, your parents, both work. Yeah. My mom, always teach our classes and might that work in a company with mechanical stuff say that. And did you expect typical middle class family, you expect to go to college maybe too? It's cool all my brothers and sisters. They're older me of their pretended to go to college and have different degrees. So that's was what a that Miyoko family back them. How many brothers and sisters? I have two sisters my brother family. Yeah. Family. So. What starts to change wister seeing how for example, wick spend most of her time doing lines for food that was the first wakeup call. So my routine the say two thousand fifteen two thousand sixteen was waking up really early like six AM in the morning just together ready to start doing the line. So with happened is like you can only buy food in Venezuela in specific they so with your idea, you're nationally the last number of that idea, we'll give you the possibility to buy certain foods. So for me was important, for example, on Wednesday got up really early because he was my day that I could go and buy food. So I start really early and I do an eight hour line for buying basic as rise chicken milk, and that became might. Routine. So when you're saying an eight hour line is hundreds of people on the blog grits, hundreds of people's really early in the morning because the last one it is you are in the lying. And then they suddenly say the food is over. So you have to be there really early. So one day to the next when you were let's ten you would go to supermarket. Yeah. As we do in Washington, you go to a safe way. You get your yogurt. Safeway, get whatever you want. Nobody control you how much food you can have or how many days you can have. So for me, there was kind of very hard because like younger and never have to do that in my life. So I can see clearly what it change in how much change what was your first memory of having to do that. It was earlier to tell fifteen when we realized that we have to go for different supermarkets because as you say, we're big family so realize with didn't have enough food. So we start creating this crisis strategies try to go to different grocery store to be able to eat because before like we used to eat three times a day the Canova middle class family. And then suddenly was star seeing that we miss one meal like maybe didn't have breakfast or may be didn't have dinner because there were no access to the certain goods, we need it. So that was very hard for us trying to adjust to that level of let's say poverty that we never experienced before. Did you have a strategy for standing on the line? I mean, did you have a placeholder? Did you bring right books with you what this is really interesting because that kind of situations create all these kind of black market or kind of other. Reality's people that charge you for savior spot in the line people who sell food in the line people who sailed the same good as supermarket but in much higher prices. So yeah, what I did. When he was my mom's turn to buy food. I did the lion for her most of the time. And at the end when it was her time, I call her say mom Cumbria fast, because it's your term to buy food because I didn't want my mom to eight hour lines to share with you. Yeah. Like a chair a book. I like to read about things that explain somehow what was happening the economic books or maybe politics. So trying to understand why this craziness and this crisis was happening to feel surreal failed berry surreal, but at the same time, it keep you a load of anger because you know, this is not how people all around the world leaves maybe like. In Cuba, countries like that banal normal countries. So you say why would it run why would service and who's do blame for anger? Well, the government. Of course, they are like the ones we implement the policies that create all this mess. So I you started seeing food shortages did you start losing weight? Of course, mom nutritionist one of the most important problems in Minnesota right now you cannot afford to eat meat three times a week meet Sweden expensive chicken fish, really expensive. And of course, you lose weight, and you lose the energy somehow that you have to do normal things in your normal life and people started getting sick, of course. And that's another problem people start getting sick. But the health crisis with also happening. So you get sick. And you don't have access to medicines or access to a nice hospitals say that your own weather dingy. Yeah. And what happened? That was like the breaking point to the site. This is not life anymore. So when my mum has is called, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. So it's basically thing that Don allow you to breathe normally and you need an civic medicine to treat that if you don't take medicine every day, you're alone start fail. So the struggle of my brother, and I every single months was trying to find that exact medicine in Minnesota is extremely expensive. So that feeling that you might not be able to buy the medicine that you mom needs is the worst feeling in the world. And I think that was when we decided that we have to left. There was one other thing as well. The crime was on the rise in violence. What was that like well to give you like an idea, I was rob in one month? Three times in the bus in the street in four areas in which areas everywhere, and when you arrived where you held up gunpoint like whole it three times who into my house in the post got RAV with a gun in my face going into the street. Somebody put a gun in your say, give me everything you want. So like, this social destruction is also really present. So you see that so much misery? That is a lot of people that go in the street just to rob to get things further families were you frayed to go out. Oh for sure. I used to work in a place in Caracas. Kobe satis, so really tough place. And I remember them one time, my mom told me just week. We can find that money any other place. But the fact that you are going there as young women by yourself really early in the morning is extremely dangerous to just undo it. So did you start creating strategies for how to get around the city? Oh, for sure I used to God, this jackets have different secret pockets. So I put my phone in my ID or some money and in my purse, I left things I've makeup or things like that. So if they rubbed me they will just rob the things that I don't care, and it wasn't just robberies. Right. The murder rate rose precipitously. Yeah. I think last year said they stick say that twenty five thousand people where Murther in the population is how high the population of sweater right now is around thirty three million a huge, and this is between Caracas in your cities, not counting the whole thing. She you had finished college in Venezuela already out working. Yeah. Correct. And what were you doing? I was working in a one of the most famous thing tanks Latin. America's prophet on procurement writing tanks, and I was weighing communications and at burqas he campaigns. For them. But there is an opportunity for you to leave telling you about the opportunity. Yeah, I was strongly privileged to have found an organisation that you ask Apple's core. They basically bring fellows and social change leaders from around the world. For one year to serve here in US and learn and grow skills in different topics. So I found it online by the time. I I learnt English, but in like YouTube tutorials and things like that. So they really like the work that I was doing with different thing taxing human rights organizations in Venezuela. So they told me that they want to host me as I bend this Wayland in the project, and it was great. I have the opportunity to came here. And it was Mitee get out without that or pretending thing. It would be really hard to say that I will just gave in the US because you know, you need I can be like a certain things. What was it like arriving in it states after living and standing on line, right and waiting for medicines. And all that fear. Was it like I'm here. Well, first of all it was berry aspiring how much freedom and how much I have. Opportunity to do here in the US is funny because the first sang de grocery shopping, I wasn't a Safeway. And I remember they took all this stuff. And I was trying to explain the guy sheer. Why I got this chickens? Why got this meal in the woman just stare at me and say, the you have money to pay this and say, yes, and she replied, I don't care. Why did but I was so used to do have to explain myself why need to have permission for this? The government of control every single part of life. And for me like realize in that in the US. I don't have to do that at the beginning was very nice. But then they become really sad because I realized that I was living under mentors library, and in that moment, I realized that that thing that been will consider normal life. It's not normal. Hundred you feel about those you'd left behind well when I moved with the fellowship to United States my family estate in Venezuela. And there was one of the hardest things I did one because I knew that. I will have the Brittany to do. All this amazing stuff living in a country like respect, my rights that I can have access to the food. I want to the medicines I want. Meanwhile, they're they're so what I did was start saving as much money as I could because fellowship give you small stipend. But with that money, they can do so many stuff administrator like nice meals or buy more food that they used to getting the medicine that my own need and also to creating a plan. How can I take them from Minnesota like tickets visas friend and things so this is for your brothers into stern your parents? Yep. So did all of them wanna go. Yeah. Of course. So how did you do that? So my sister, always work. My other sister was leaving in Spain. So she also help in the whole process. So we say safe-money mush it could to pay the tickets, and because my my sister was already been Spain. She has a place to stay and she was working, and she knew all the the ID's ungracious stuff that they needed. So that was key like the help of my sister that she was ready out to, you know, take my family out of what about your friends? It's really hard because still have a lot of friends that leave administrator. But also that works against the government swing constantly afraid that I might not hear from them again somewhere that I jail summer there. Nobody knows where they are some are like walking literally walking to Columbia to find a better future for their families. One time. I was stuck into a very good friend that I went to college with an. She sent me a picture, and she was so skinny the picture as a oh, wow. You're so skinny what were doing like the Maduro diet? That's how people call it like mood diet because you don't eat much. You're very skinny and you say, well, gee, actually, yes, I do in the Missouri diet in a haven't eaten a chicken in two months that completely broke my heart. And obviously I after that she entered to a program in the border of Columbia. She moved Columbia in which he was accessed food and medicines, whatever. But imagine she was lucky to be part of that is still millions of people in silence. Yeah. So heartbreaking. But at the same time. I so proud from the people that is there, and they're fighting for democracy and freedom, and I try to help them as much as I could. It's interesting you mentioned that some of them are working against the government because the events of this past week where one quavo declared himself to be president seemed to come to many in North America out of the blue to you. I bet it wasn't on of the blue wasn't for me. It was I we're waiting for something like this happening. However, I have to admit I didn't have much hope in the whole process. But then when I realized that Guido was following the constitution, and he was actually appealing for their rescue of democratic values star believing in the start getting a lot of hope about this whole thing what has been the opposition movement until now how does it work? Yeah. Is buried divided. We used to have a quotation of a position party is that work against the government. But there were some parties inside pollution that actually is seems that work progovernment. You know, what I mean that they were following every step of the government say they were not doing like rallies that we're not making proposals to get out of this government. And that's why I was like maybe the situation of Minnesota will be this forever because you need acquisition like in the position collision in order to you know, fight against the tater ship. And that was not a case in sailor. However with all these Widodo situation and what he represents as a new leader. And a us leader has create some kind of moment panel union, and you can see that. I'm most everyone is in the same page about what the next steps, which is very positive where were you? And he announced I was. Here in the United States. I was in my office, you'll see my laptop, and when I saw him with this river of millions of millions of people and say that he will be the interim president of the sailor, and he quote the articles in the constitution. I cried I just cry because that was for the first time in years one little piece of hope that we never had what he represent right now is we can change, and we can actually have fair elections in the future. And somehow gave my daughter this face that he's not in benzel, and he cannot get away with all the human rights violations and things that the to us in the past this like a new beginning, but we have to work together in order to make this a reality and the US and Canada whole bunch of Latin American countries all quickly said that they? Support Guido yet. And now the US has put sanctions on Venezuela who'll those hurt basically in this is a very important questions. Dissension is against government officials. So when people have denier active saying, oh, the economic crisis in Venezuela is into the US sanction that is completely wrong. The crisis in Venezuela specific economic crisis is due government policies implemented the last twenty years they have paralyzed production have create this controllers that they just damaged the economy all this by of private property. So the fact that they recognize that this dictator cannot decide the live of Ben swellings or that the oil company been MISA. It's going to be the national company of besa. Yeah. Is not going to be in the hands of this corrupt government officials or whatever we need to change who is. Has been charged of this order to create positive change. And you mentioned earlier that some of your friends are literally walking to Columbia, and in Colombia's received something like one million refugees, hundreds of thousands, and Peru Ecuador Brazil. How are those refugees being received? Now, that's very interesting. Because at the beginning, of course, all the countries were like, yeah, we welcome you come here. We know the situation Sperry har-. But as you say if one million people go to your country that creates a problem, especially in job food security, like how one million people is going to work. If you're ready have your own social issues winning your country. So right now is very tense, especially in contrast, like Ecuadora, people doing riots against swell and people like forcing the government say you need to get them out of country things like that. And I know it's not all of them. But sentiment is really present. Have you been received in the US? So in my case, it has been extremely positive. That's why I don't see any of the elements that are happening as a threat to my country because somehow. So I know that devalues represent which is freedom and democracy and free market is what we need and have you been working to help others leave. Yeah. And how do you do the so basically because they flation is crazy immensely Ayla and people don't have access to much things. What I do is support. A lot of go fund me campaigns or phone racing campaigns that people have on line one to pay for medicine people or to leave to pay the air ticket the bus ticket. I like to share the stories because I think people deserve a better life, and at the same time and really committed to the costs of finding support here in the US and other countries to freedom human rights, causses, I fame they're working with nothing and they're during such incredible job, and they need help somehow. Could you see going back? To be honest one month ago, I thought I will never go back to actually I don't have swimming pass for anymore is expire. And when they tried to renew at the say, I was not a legitimate to that. Yes, crises. So you go to the consulate you go to the website says now go to the consulate to this that. So basically, they just created a black market system. I have found people that say give you one thousand dollars, and I get your passport going to pay what does ago from past per this may right? You effectively stateless then I have another nationality. I haven't Italian passport. So I am so lucky, but I I know friends that they are like in Argentina, and why in other countries and something bad happen to their families. They cannot go back. They don't have a pass for. So they're waiting because they're spill that can pay one thousand dollars passport so say, maybe one or two months ago say. This is never going to change. And this is going to be the same story as Cuba, and I have to leave in the exile forever. But would everything that is happening in the last week's e craze inside of me third of new hope that I see how this people are against the tater ship, and we want to be a democrat country again. So I think in the future is possible that I would be able to come back. Maybe not if but to be my family to see my friends or things like that. How much risk did one Guido take in making this announcement in credit? He is like one of the most bright people. I know I think it was a sentiment of if I don't do this where going to be under this reaching forever. And the most important thing about what is happening in. He is the interim president. So he has to be elections fair election soon where to give you an idea that is not cool his under a big risk. Like, all the guns are me is still supporting mother widow. And what about those that support him? I mean are they risk as well? Of course. But I think everyone disppointed has an attitude about this can cost or freedom in even more alive for is necessary. There's been some talk even of sending US troops in the direction of NFL. I don't think that will be like an in. Immediate rally, but I have seen. How aggressive Maduro is against US. Diplomatic officials are still in Minnesota in this funny. How he has changed her narrative at the beginning say you have twenty minutes to leave the country, then seventy two hours then one month. Definitely he doesn't want. Let Kim gauge with violence to those people because that can give you s the right to enter and do something about it. When you say, you don't know if you'd go back, even if you did it would be the visit it makes me wonder about the tremendous brain drain the loss of an entire generation or more than a generation. Do you have a sense of that is very horrible, especially because I know har- my family work to give me my education or to have or own house. And right now, we are like creating a new life outside Minnesota. And there will be generations that I. Going to be at side in Israel. So the sense you're losing all things that you work on is very present. I ensure that a lot of people that left Venezuela. If all this thing and will return because we have such a great country in the past is not perfect, of course, because nothing spur fit, but a great country that if you work hard, you can be better. What are you most full about? I hope that oldest transition can be done without more people loosened their lives, and I really really really hope the ex-president Malvo understand the he have heard so much that his policies and Chavis policies that he implemented has destroy or a life. I wanted out of my country that will be a way that we can start working like from the outside from the inside to rebuild everything that they destroy has the opposition been working from the outside as well. Yeah. A lot of people have been sent to other countries. Even escaping. I have many friends that working politics that have literally escape. But now you're here in the US or in Europe or whatever sending humanitarian aid by homes, sending resources for annexation spreading the word. So the work that he had. Has been done from the outside Elsa really important to create a narrative. Data speed people fighting for freedom. What are you miss the most? Obviously, my friends and conversations in your culture. What you eat what you like. And I miss the sense of billowing. This is a country that the NS not your country. Does why I'm very hopeful that in the future, I can feel the sense of below in again, even if I don't go back to belong to. Is there a place that you miss, particularly or a memory that is of the moment before things began to disintegrate that you think of ever what I think I made as most of our business Walea is that there has this amazing islands that you can go and they're like gorgeous. But they're not accessible for us anymore. They soak expensive in the past you can just go and have a trip your family along weekend. And right now is completely luxury. Only people who the business with the government the government people can go there. So imagine if the detailer she ends, and we are back to the way that we just to be might rain will just go back to one of the lines and just stay there and be free. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. That's running a rough. Oh, she's a human rights activist from Venezuela who came to the United States in two thousand sixteen first person is produced by Dan Ephron and edited by rob Sachs, I'm Sarah Waffen, and I'm in host. Person listeners wanted to let you know about a new podcast, featuring untold stories of women creating change all over the world. It's called seeking peace. Seeking peace is hosted by mail. An who? Among her many accolades was the first ever US ambassador large global women's issues. Now, she runs Georgetown university's institute for women peace and security in this episode. She interviews acclaimed actress, Kristen bell. 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The Legacy of Berta Cceres
"Waking Up to the news for my guardian. Shipping to science. Can Kill us the Casas that can kill anybody. What's up welcome to in the thick? This is a podcast about politics race and culture from a POC perspective I might gain Bossa and. Joining us from Harlem New York City is Nina Leconte. She is an environmental justice reporter for the Guardian us. He need not hey bieber. From one Harlem to another listen Nina. Thank you for joining us on this show Hulu and I are really honored to be able to spend this show talking about somebody who is extraordinary and you have spent a good part of your career right now. Reporting about bet the Cassidy's. So she was an indigenous environmental activist from on Dudas who had been fighting for her people, the link to protect sacred land and rivers from corporations seeking to profit off of them basically, mining companies that were just going to take their land. She was against this rightly so She was assassinated on March second two, thousand sixteen in her home two days before her birthday and Nina. Uh, you recently published a new book. It's titled Who Killed Bit, that Cassidy's. So. Tell us what do we need to know like before we jump into the specificity of your word? Why is that? Gusset? is his life so important. But the custody. The time of murder in two thousand sixteen was probably the most well known most celebrated defend a- activists in the Americas. She had been awarded the Goldman Prize for environmentalism in two thousand, fifteen, four, her work lead in opposition to the construction of a internationally funded dam on a river considered sacred by the Linka people but she was just so much more than an environmentalist i. mean she. An indigenous whites defended a human rights defender. She was a staunch campaigner and activist for gender equality for lgbt rights and she was also a smart political analyst. She had this really, I think unique capacity which she had developed through her experience spending time with indigenous native communities across the while really to undestand local struggles in a global context you say she understood what was happening in half cone of Western Honduras in the global economic political political military and social context, and she was as confident and comfortable talking about these issues. We've Campesinos who didn't have any formal education business leaders politicians you know she was just one of those really unique people that just. Was a great speaker she was convinced in she was compelling and so small and just passionate and tenacious. She loved so of being on the streets in protest, but she was just also an incredibly small sharp political analysts and all of these things may have dangerous when I start tastes of work on the book. I. Quickly realized that to understand why better was Monday you have to understand who she was in where she came from and really to understand her life and death. You really have to understand this sort of global context in which he lived and died actually. I met bit that myself I mean she was like a light. and. So loving at the time of her murder, she was fighting to protect specifically the real guy from this audio senate hit because. Or decide, which is a company that was trying to build a hydroelectric dam. On what the link people view as sacred water eventually, an investigation into her murder linked this company to seven men who were hired to assassinate her right and we're going to get to that. But I you started reporting and writing this story shortly after Bent Gusset is was killed even though you had been following her work for a few years at that point what drew you specifically. To say, this is somebody. She's a powerful woman. She's not just any other leader I interviewed Bertha only once I met her twice interviewed at once during my fast reporting trip to Honduras at the end of two thousand eighteen when there were elections really the first sort of so-called free and fair elections sits the coup in two thousand and nine. I entertain her family home at that time there was a a mess stolen out full have based on trumped up charges that had been bought by Desa the Damn Company that you mentioned Amnesty International. And human scoops had said that if she was detained would consider to be a political prisoner. She was on the move every night she was denouncing the fact that her name was on a military hit list along with fifteen of social and political leaders and she said to me, they're not wanting to look I. am a human rights defender I want to live I love my country it doesn't have to be this way but no matter what safety I take when they wanted to me that going to kill me. And obviously that's just really powerful and it really struck with me and I remember waking up to the US for my editor at the. Guardian. That should being tilled insane to my friends. If I kill us the customers that can kill anybody, you know to have that sort of sense of impunity. So all veal fidgets in that, you can get away with Killian. Well known person in your country. She is much more acclaimed and celebrated internationally, and she was you know I'm country. Honduras, as a country really got to me after I interviewed by that time I went up to the Bihar Guan region on the Northern Coast and often the Aku that region was completely militarized by heavily armed special forces are thousands of troops many of them supported by the US and trained by the US. and. It was terrifying. I mean really it was the first time I'd been scared as a reporter been reported by then for like probably seven eight years you know Chris and I remember saying to my colleague. and. Good. If we're scared imagine house cake every deal that macy's why should be this is where I should be focusing mob reporting. Honduras, very hard place to be the baby. How place to be a journalist it's a very place to be a woman, a very hard place to speak out against the regime and speak out against the economic elites in the military late as our friends at my own cost over the last few years. As a journalist, the more harassment and the more threats sisal go as is reported there like the more. Feeling that. Well, there's a lot powerful people that don't want this story to come out in just just drove me on. All right. Let's go first of all. Thank you for perfectly explaining the challenges of living in a place like on Buddha's and covering her death what's heartbreaking? It gained international attention and I agree with you. was seen as international icon outside of her country, which to be honest with you isn't it like that for a lot of people especially in Latin America they seem to Be revered outside of their own home countries especially in places like dude us and in parts of Central America. And about a year before her death in two thousand fifteen. Berto. You've mentioned she won the world's leading environmental award, which is the Goldman Prize for her work and let's just listen to a clip of their speaking at the price ceremony. The Rio. So school study or Sunset Hill link link of people, our ancestors, guardians of the rivers in protected by the spirits of young girls who teach us as giving our lives in various ways for the protection of the rivers is giving our lives for the well-being of humanity and of this planet. Gen Y. Lettuce wake up humankind we are out of time we must share conscious free of the repeal capitalism racism patriarchy. Only shirt our own selfish. Does. One of those stories that we covered a lot Latino rebels and it's important to remember, right Those who are responsible for the death weren't just the people who killed her in her home because when we talk about this corrupt system of power that starts with corporations to various governments to the military, they're all rooted in imperialism. Misogyny they all had a hand in the murder. So you detail all this in your book but for our listeners are maybe you know they might know about better story or they're like walking into the story for the first time who do you hold responsible for does death? Oh There's so many layers of responsibility and in a way the question who killed the castaways. It's not fully answered question. Now, I will see owning to journalists that attended the trial every day for five weeks at the end of two, thousand eighteen. You were the only international journalists. I was be judged list national international. That was there every day you know even local journalists who did call would come in a few minutes Chen religious grab an interview with one of the defense lawyers who would just spout some you very opinionated anti. Antique. Oh. SORTA message, not challenge them and that would be the message that would go every day I. mean it was totally depressing. What we know is that a group of carriers are hired hitmen were paid to kill tire on the night of the second of March has an in sixteen. They possibly didn't know who she was. Unlikely that they did we know from their twelve that there was involvement from the company. What the judge volved that a plan was made an order given to kill her at the end of two, thousand fifteen around the time that the company we started construction of the dam, they moved the site of the dam to the other side of the Khadka. Had triggered. Refreshed opposition and protests from better time the Lincoln people against the dime, and that's when the plan was hatched and over the next few weeks months, you know that she was followed, she was monitored. The company had paid informants in community abandoned river. Those convicted included two people linked to the company, a former security chief who was a US try and former military officer saw the company's communities and environmental manager, and also a active special forces major who's really interesting because he was a heavily really decorated. So officer trained by the US. Many times sat with the coalition forces in Iraq, it also served. As a peacekeeper and at the time of the murder, you know he was on route to being promoted to lieutenant colonel but he was at the same time under investigation for drug trafficking and kidnapping charges by is lot. This'll tip parallel magical somew- mealey's Ovando us in central, America. So his phone was tapped at the time. So we bought quite a lot of evidence that there was actually a botched mission to mud about a month earlier she had two of her daughters loud that tita about home with us and mission was abandoned hilary seven men who I would describe as the Hitman and the middleman. Tried and convicted of her murder and four of them were also convicted of the attempted murder of Mexican style Castro up different by the task who clearly the killers did not know was going to be a house and he survived by playing dead. But those who ordered those who paid for those who enabled in benefited I? See how much as like the grand finale of what was a campaign of terror again. and Co pain and the link of people that was initiated by this internationally funded company. You know which had also investors for one of the most powerful clans in Honduras. They were able to use their ties and influences in a prosecutor's office in the criminal. Justice system. We've police security forces with the army. We politicians are local and national level to really solve unleashed his campaign of terror against the community and butter which involved stretch sexual harassment communalization defamation. Violence, assault they were cease hired thugs that evidence suggests were working for the company terrorizing people you know and some people were killed because they were opposing the DAB way before but there was killed and how much was the grand finale and vice people I hold responsible these campaign of Tara. Before matter through the mud and for really everything that's happened. You know because only reason that was been some partial justice in case of the Kesslers is because of the international pressure and really the sorts of incredible tenacious demanding campaign behalf family by people by Organization and friends, and when you see that the murder of the cassidy's was kind of like the grand finale of the terror in place on this entire community. I didn't ask this when I was with. Beta. Yeah. That was the kind of person who could have run for president. Yours easily is she was like Alexander Dough Cossio Cortez before Alexander Dough. Casio Cortez. As somebody who's been covering this actually for decades the United States and its relationship in on dude as if we even call it a relationship. Is really incredibly problematic rights specifically in on dudas in the rise of the regime there that has given concessions and fast track legislation to allow companies both hundred and international to profit by. Natural Resources and the way they do that is. Frankly by taking indigenous land from the people. Yeah when Bertha we talk about this you remember this as you would just say it's gaze lonely go get the NIMMO's the only thing that we have is our land In the case of Bertha, they were keeping tabs on her whereabouts. They were hiring these hitmen, they were sending threats. In fact, she had received thirty three previous threats before she was killed corporate interests gained power after the coup in in two thousand nine when the democratically elected president minority Celaya. Who Lean left was ousted, and so those corporate interests have more power. Yeah. It was classic Latin America and need. We remind everyone in two thousand nine who was secretary of state. It was Hillary Clinton. There's been a reckoning. In the left about her involvement in the coup and we call it a coup. And in two thousand and sixteen after bear was assassinated. Latino. USA, which is our sister podcasts. Proudly leads We did a story about Clinton's role in the coup and our fabulous producer, my good friend and Marlin bishop I love him had been reporting extensively on Central America at the time. I the US says it's working in step with the Organization of American States. That's the OAS. But later on the Obama White House in the Clinton State Department kind of backtrack there's a lot of it goes. And the US essentially says hunters can just hold new elections and the US will recognize them. No need to restores allied power I the US stops calling it a coup and starts calling it a constitutional crisis. And you need to write about how disastrous the coup was for the struggle of indigenous activists. Light, Bertha. You write that after the coup and I'm quoting the struggle got harder faster deadlier. And so in July twenty sixteen just months after Betas murder you and I were covering the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia actually exactly four years ago. We were in Philadelphia, there was a big protest and we ran into Louder Zuniga. Gases who is one of Bertha's for children remember that she was with a group of protesting to raise awareness about the impact of the US involvement and on Dude as and Clinton's role in it and it was just like Oh my God. I remember when he saw. This is what she had to say in an interview with me think. Because I'm both is the Could have big criticism against both candidates. But the reason for my visit us, it's not to meet critique of the candidates and it's not to talk about who people should vote for that live in the United States. But instead of show, the different ways, politics policies in the US are affecting Latin. America. So I'm going to make emphasis again about the responsibility of the citizens of the United States, not all through their boat, but through the rest of their life. In Kuala. They, look. When you know solar, does he knock on? The rest. Is We, you know their money is being used to finance part of the military structures in the US, and those military structures are violating human rights or how their vote might affect the Latino community in the United. States? Pena in in the cell phone is. Not, can you talk about the rule of the US government companies give us the four one people don't know. US Has Been Omnipresent Central America for decades. You say you know and. Can really delivered to claim to have a special in a good way relationship with the US. It has been used as a military satellite since one, thousand, nine, hundred, ninety, four, it was used to launch and try and sort of. Military death squads including the contras giving the Dutch wars you know in that seventies eighties, early nineties it was the original Banana Republic I mean I think it's fair to say that Central America but specifically, Honduras has been and continues to be used as a Lebow trae by the United States in all senses of the word and so didn't Start Hillary Clinton or trump it's got. Worse for Schol, we it years. But with the coup, initially, it was called a coup by President Obama and I've looked devise many different released from the US embassy at the time they clearly call the Aku Aku everyone code but very quickly. Hillary Clinton just change the narrative and hasn't form I. Think the cons in the US put me comic sort of power was Jewish and the. US and narrative changed to you know what? I just have new elections. Let's just fresh elections and getting rid of memorials Eliah became treated as a victory against Hugo Chavez ben as Walea right they had to relationship undo us was buying oil palm. Chavez. But there were particularly close your professionally. But suddenly be sort of changes regime became tweeted as victory against socialism and Hugo Chavez. which absolutely was not and what we can to say is that the to is a before and after in the Modern Day history of Honduras but what standings vice president on an independent ticket for the elections that were meant to be the end of two thousand and nine before the to stand in as a vice president by as a sort of independent movement, we've other social leaders. Everything, change of what we've seen since then is that Honduras became the mice file country in the world outside a war zone hundreds of thousands of London's have fled extreme poverty, corruption, violence, impunity inequalities, land grabs. You know all of these things over the last eleven years and have faced ticking known consequences form the US or the international community in general, it's been business as usual. It, listeners Juliet here I want to tell you about a way. 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Is that she really talked about this struggle. This environmental struggled as spiritual as much as it was political for her. She proudly identified as Linka as indigenous wherever she could she uplifted her people and as she said, brought them along with her now, one of the coolest things that I actually witnessed was how Bitta created truly grassroots movement and whenever she could she would take busloads of members from her organization coping, which is the Council of Popular and indigenous organizations of Dudas in English and she would travel with them so that she and organization evolved and really grew together. She always had people with her and it was like she was teaching what she does. And for her the river, the water had so many meanings right? It provided sustenance but it also had this ancestral and spiritual significance and book mean you talked with a Lenka elder bus quality data Bertha they composed Tuta, which is actually also. As. A kind of smoke ceremony and while in the early nineteen nineties, these ceremonies were practiced in secret BETTA encouraged communities to revive these ancient customs. Openly you write that bus Kalita said from the beginning it was a political and a spiritual fight and I'm just wondering Nina. Can you talk for moment about how you understood as spiritual struggle found people would say that what Beth will be remembered most people is her role. In Helping, Miscue Angry vindicate the Link Identity You know in the early nineties really inside Honduras and outside many. People Indigenous people didn't exist anymore that they had been wiped out when actually there were several indigenous communities including the Lakers and she spearheaded these pilgrim marches in ninety, three, ninety four, which was really sort of awake Nina spiritual awakening for the whole country the communities looks signed up way hia we exist and we dimond vice. That's when Honduras starting to be understood in becauyse nuys and identified a multi ethnic multicultural society keen Ludd, and she was always evolving spiritual understand, and she still to go and spend time with the GARIFUNA. Afro in no fan participate in nest spiritual smoke seven. The compass. Of thanks to the earth and they smoke ceremonies were always carried out before every meeting. Every sort of event in Clinton emerged trial in Pasco Lita and others. To Open Court amongst seven many she spent on move five nation communities with native Americans I mean she was up as a Catholic why mom was like a staunch to Catholic and that's not a dichotomy way past lita identifies as a Catholic Lenka. You know I think that would be Latin America sort of mixing of spirituality and organized religion, but it was really important to. Copay and how organization was always about defending indigenous wise. But indigenous lights mean are landrights territorial lights the white to sustainable sort of use Lavin exploitation of natural resources. Human Rights listening to this is Lana Americanised. She is of a long legacy. That can never be forgotten and she also had many roles. Yeah and what's great about your writing Nina is how we get to see that we see her as a mom right to four kids as a friend as a daughter as a lover. We, see her in the fullness of her life. Like you said, you've interviewed old classmates of hers who told you quote Baked, was beautiful and had lots of boyfriends. She loved to dance a love that quoth you write that she never lost her playfulness when we were talking about as many as always said like there was a kingship there when you met her mighty out and she was so dedicated to the struggle to defending our people and their land. She was told she was a bad mother because of it and that her again, there's this notion of like Oh these leaders and they're like angry women no better was actually filled with so much joy and when I think of Bertha I, think of that continual smile that she had with her but let's talk about better does murder in the context of Patriarchy and machismo in fact, throughout her activism, you right Nina that she quote came to understand capitalism as that only an economic model but also the patriarchal one which dominated women in different ways. And so embittered us were she tackled gender violence head on another strong leader that you including your book is better does best friends her name is media meet under she is also Gotti Funai an indigenous Afro Caribbean people from on Dudas judges like survivors. Miriam said this in an interview with you. She said quote, they didn't just kill a defender or an indigenous leader or an environmentalist. They killed a woman who dared speak out against a patriarchal system. That's why I call it a political femicide. Meena, can you talk more about that I? mean she was fighting against the Patriarchy just happened to be there was symbolized by these massive corporations. And Criminals Frankly, you know you guys have spent time in Honduras said deeply Manchester Society and machismo doesn't exist in a bubble. A permeates is deep seated in every institution every every public and private space for women to operate in any public sphere. You know like Batasuna and Latin Media Dade was incredibly difficult and challenging and I came up with so much opposition in hate calling have a bad mother. She absolutely wasn't a traditional. Anthonycumia. As mom in terms of somebody stay home and look after children you know but I didn't make batmobile and it was just of course it her she loved her children like medium said, but she also loved her country she was fighting for more just equal society and most just ICAL Honduras and I think you see how life and we've been say show within White Society in absolutely inaccurate campaign ends up in her death that. These elites, these political economic military elites. Could not bat the idea that a woman and an indigenous woman Bostock in them was into net clad. In a book, you know the racist of texts and messages that are sent by people in the company to refer to the Linka people and just off the way that sexual harassment is used. But at no point in the state's prosecution of this case is racism or sexism matches more effort featured at all in the state's case they didn't see as relevant by is absolutely fundamental to belive that she led to the challenges that she faced. In her. Life. Okay. So let's move on to our final segment lower thema nose or the last one before you go or last call. After her death does children and her mom. And her companion or companions us from Gopinath they've continued to struggle. So thinking back. To Two thousand sixteen and I remember that scene vividly it was hot as hell in Philadelphia that day and we were walking down a little hallway and then we saw bet does daughter louder who is protesting the DNC and it really just hit me that was one of those moments. Just, like it's that guy said his daughter before she got to Philadelphia Loud was part of a caravan of grassroots community leaders who were denouncing both the Republican and democratic parties for their militarism and neoliberalism, and he'll goodman who is now our intern way back when she was on that Caravan, she recorded a powerful speech that loud gave actually in Pittsburgh when they were on their way to the Democratic National Convention and this was just a few months after bit them had been killed. It goes. On the body of my mother on the second of March, all the violence of the capitalist system was concentrated a system that exercises power over towns and things has the power to assassinate indigenous communities only for their economic interest. On the body of my mother on the second of March, the violence of racism was concentrated racism that believes indigenous communities, black communities that people with multiple identities and anyone different from white people are not capable of thinking dreaming of a future that we're not able to designer world our planet to think of other ways of progress to the side over our own territories. On the body of my mother on the second of March the violence of the Patriarchy was concentrated. The violates the patriarchy. The sees the bodies of women's things and can easily assassinate these bodies. But also on the second of March, an ancestor was born a guide, a spirit, a person that today's guidance in the defense of life, and that's what we're confronting defending rivers defending the planet defending our own lives is to fight for the life. Of Humanity and that is teaching that my mom left us she left us with urgency to know that we have to act. Now because if we let the moment go by, we will end up in ashes and life is not worth that life is not worth that pain and that's why it's all responsibilities to take charge of our lives and to take on the roles of guardians of life how my mom was w welcome and other rivers. Sales. In. Side. You. Have you. So. What does the legacy of Bertha's resistance continued to look like? How are Bertha's children or others carrying on her legacy and are you? I think legacy absolutely is being carried on by have four children in different ways you know as well as her colleagues and fans and side upon Duis I. Think Budka. Just. was so influential was so important organizations, indigenous and others in all the costs are America and. In the world all attributes and skills that we've talked to buy continue to a will continue to inspire and encourage people. I mean, kings is so impressive remember interviewing loud that shortly after the murder and has saying to me sometimes I this to my mom speaking in I'd be like, wow, I can't believe she's my mom she's so smart but I think the same when I listened to have data speaking life I've done it begs of louder with Salvador has saw me Partito. You know we're GonNa Leave Ya and into my thank God. They. SMA- in their thinking. Absolutely, social leaders. Defenders they've been forced into the bowl of you know having to fight for justice for their mom because of the states complicity in failures you know but they are absolutely. Always demanded that of the she's sites them look go off and study see the world but all of you have to come back to Honduras and make this country better place they offer philly now I mean. I. Think. You know how much I had a huge impact. It was huge goal repair on the whole social movement in Honduras and he's taken that time to recover from that it still recovering who bus. Has Struggle. Fi have passion continues. He know we've had children before organization but way beyond that I'm meet and talk to people all of the time in different parts of the world who saw. This as an inspiration. Well, we'll thank you so much connie you're an environmental justice reporter for the Guardian US author of the book who killed the Cassidy's who you and I want to say. Thank you so much for joining us on this episode of in the thick thank yous been. Wholesome and I'm Hulu Rica Lorella. 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