20 Episode results for "Hugh"

30 Day Gratitude Challenge - 30/30 The Gift Of The Present Moment

The Gratitude Podcast - Stories That Inspire Positive Thinking

02:46 min | 9 months ago

30 Day Gratitude Challenge - 30/30 The Gift Of The Present Moment

"Thank you for listening to the Thanksgiving daily series. I really appreciate you taking the time to listen to these episodes and the fact that you you choose to spend your time in a positive way makes me feel great knowing that timing good company and now let's give thanks for the present moment. Let's take a breath. We are here in this moment. Let's see what we can appreciate. Look around why do you see what's great about this moment. It might be that hugh are healthy. It might be that jarring a beautiful place. It might be that you're doing something for yourself. What makes this the present moment. Amazing might be just the feeling that you have on the inside right now. You're might feel relaxed or you might feel that. You're taking a good break from a stressful day. I think what's happening in your life right now. That excites you. What makes you joyful when you think about it. Why do you appreciate most about this this moment. I recommend that you get back to this episode every time you feel that you are. You're stuck in the past or thinking much about the future just head back to this present moment to December sewed to the simple pull small or big things. That are amazing right now. Thank you so much for listening to the Thanksgiving daily experience has been a pleasure creating these episodes for you. I really hope you enjoyed them. And that they added a little beat of gratitude and appreciation to your day to day life.

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Keys To Help You Manifest Your Reality

GATE 1111 A Law Of Attraction Podcast

17:18 min | 1 year ago

Keys To Help You Manifest Your Reality

"Hello and welcome to eleven eleven. This podcast is designed to help people who are working to expand their consciousness, we believe here. The gate that the true power lies within each individual. As we raise our vibration in tune into the frequency of the laws of the universe. Weaken become delivered creators in life. Tune in each week, and you will become an awaken super conscious being and in no time, you will be manifest in your desires in changing your thoughts into I promise are you ready to become a super conscious being? All right. Let's get started. Hello. And welcome to the gate. I am so happy that you have join me here today. And I trust that you have had a wonderful manifesting week. Hey, guys. I wanna thank you for subscribing and sharing the podcast. The word is getting out the audience is growing the people are coming in and listening, and I hope that this is a blessing to your life as much as it is to me to present the podcast each week. So thank you again from the bottom of my heart. I really truly appreciate you tuning in. Well, today's affirmation is the universe is field with endless opportunities for my life. Yes. Indeed. Folks, the universe is full of endless opportunities. Just for you. And this week we're going to talk a little bit about manifestation what it is to manifest. So, you know, the reality that you live within is a manifestation of your own doing. Everything is your fault. Both the good and the bad whether you like it or not the sooner that you realize this the sooner you can move forward. The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem. So whenev- whether you're happy or sad, angry complacent or field with desire fists world in which you reside is something that you, and you alone have created, you know, we'd use to list as we do. It's our choice. And as we embrace this state of awareness, a great power begins to grow within us. A lot of you have already been experiencing this grand power of this awareness. This new awakening becoming this super conscious being being able to manifest your own reality. You're already experiencing that and your life has already started to change. And that's a wonderful wonderful thing. You know, a great power begins to grow within us. The more that we learn as we become better students of the laws of the universe. Our power increases within us. You know, the power of intentional and positive manifestation. Our acknowledgement of this power then gives birth to. A whole new mindset one in which we can begin to properly utilize manifestation letting go of blame and these current realities where things are manifested for us. No one's to blame. But you you are in control of your destiny you allow. The things that are going on in your life right now, you allow it you have the choice you can choose to change that. And we've learned that over the last few weeks by just changing our thoughts creating positive energy tuning into the right frequency those are ways in which you can change that. Men are acknowledgement of this power, then gives birth to a whole new mindset one in which we can begin to properly utilize manifestation letting go of the blame. And these current realities where things are manifested for us one where we can earnestly pursue becoming all that we are truly truly capable of becoming. Which is something we all want. Right. I know you do I know that you want to become more. I know that you want to truly be come who you are meant to be because that's that's why you found this podcast. And it wasn't by accident. You're here because you were drawn here for a purpose for a reason because you are becoming. M e. We want to fully embody our true selves. We everyone does. And that's what you're here for. And again, remember the answers lies in our influence over this concept of manifestation. We have the power to influence this power of manifestation. We can change the outcome. So okay, we'll slowdown here for just a second unless backtrack just a bit. And look at this from the beginning. What exactly is manifestation? In an intention of this journey towards an embrace of our own becoming. We must first find and agreement and understanding in the manifests definition itself. Luckily, the manifest definition is not so complex, and it can be expressed in that to manifest is to make something apparent and real let me say that again to manifest is to make something apparent and real, you know, simple enough. And yet, it would seem it raises. Another question. What does it mean to manifest something think about this with me for just a second here making something apparent in real implies that it that it has become something of a tangible reality? Which likewise implies that it has left behind its attachment to the realm of dreams to manifest something. Then is to bring it out of this world of dreams and to establish it's happening as common practice in our daily life. So just stop dreaming and start manifesting sounds easy. Right. Well, and yet certainly manifesting can be quite the process one which requires a significant amount of both. Remember manifesting requires diligence? Persistence and patience still it is a process that can be broken down into rather straightforward application one which allows a development of a coherent and empowering plan of action. So our next step in properly embracing the power manifestation is that we must also come to understand how to manifest remember the diligence. We spoke about just amendment go you remember, I told you takes diligence patience and persistence well again to Manus fess something requires diligent practice. I practice that is often also referred to as the law of attraction. That's what we've been talking about here for a long time one focused around the power of your thoughts, and that establishes a positive belief system in the capabilities of the self where you come to truly believe in the impossible, let go of the stresses and wearies. And throw yourself fully into the practice of itself. Let go of all of those old belief systems that no longer serve you. Stop living in the past list. Live in the present the here and the now and put to practice the laws of attraction of manifesting. As this practice builds and the belief system strengthens. You're going to often find yourself facing other in other questions. How do I tracked what I want? Well, the truth here is. You were born with the natural ability to manifest what you want. You've been given the ability to imagine and visualize your desired reality into existence. Just believe in it so much that it must show up. You know, this is a concept, which may eb, which may initially seem to be a bit odd. And we know and. And perhaps often it's easier said than done, but don't worry friends. Don't worry. You've got this. You can do if you've been following along over the last few weeks you are going to reach your goals. You were going to see success in your life. You're already experiencing change. And it comes just be patient be diligent and be persistent. Nothing comes overnight because we have been so preprogramed in our lives. And we have so many bad habits that we have created in our life that it takes a little time to reprogram and restructure ourselves. So that we we can believe this new way of thinking, and as we do this as as we ride in our journal as we meditate as we create positive affirmation. Nations we began to create new belief systems that serve us in the here. And now this present moment, we will be able to create new habits. Because now we have a new way of living. So how do you get? How do we get what we want in this life, isn't it actually eight? Well, it's really not that complex. In fact, all the necessary information is already here at our disposal. All we need to do is pursue it. Let go of the ideas that the negative side effects of your reality. Are anyone else's fault? But your on own. So you take responsibility and start changing. That in your life. You start no one else's responsible for you. But you only you look out for you. The only person who's gonna take care of number one is Hugh so take conscious control of your life. It is yours. This life is yours, and you can do whatever you want with it. And you've chosen. To discover and to live out your fullness to become an awakened conscious being. So that you you can have that happiness and that joy that peace and contentment. You know, you can literally have anything you want in this life, simply by allowing yourself to come to terms with the fact that just as not yet having it is currently your own fault. But so too shall have in it be your fault? In other words, you're responsible for the outcome. So just take action. That's what it's about taking action. You can control the outcome. Your dream job. You can have the perfect relationship or even a one way ticket to travel around the world. Whatever it is that your heart desires. It's waiting for you. It's there you just need to learn to receive it even more money and potential true financial freedom. Yes. Manifesting money is indeed a thing, and it will all become manifested one way or another whatever it is that you are in pursuit of by taking ownership of your life and your thought patterns, it will all inevitably become manifested. And finally, let us focus on a necessary of on a necessary and healthy reminder manifestation will happen. Even if you are not actively trying to incite, its powers or influence, whatever it is that you were focus. On will become your reality. So choose not to focus on everything that is wrong with the world or on everything horrible that has happened to you. But instead focus on the beauty of the present. And the potential of the future take action on this potential. Stay humble and focus on how grateful you are for all the opportunities that come to you. You know, I remember someone saying it will happen to you. If you allow it to come through you. So change your attitude attitude about the problems embrace the power manifestation. And come to embody your true self again. We choose to exist as we do the status of our life. The magnitude of our happiness. These things are all up to us. We can decide the outcome. And the choice for a better. Life is yours. You can make that choice right now. And we have to make that choice. Every moment of the day. We remind ourselves we we have to refocus we have to recenter we do this through meditation and positive affirmation. That's everything that I've been talking about for the last few weeks is you have to be responsible for your outcomes. And guess what it's going to happen. Whether you are actively involved are not it's going to happen. One way to other either the positive side of life will come through you or the negative whatever wherever your energy is focus. That's what you were going to draw to you. Remember like attracts like, so the more negative you put out the more negative. You're gonna get back. The. More positive you put out the more positive. You're gonna get back. So take control today. Well, guys, that's all we have for this week. I am so happy that you join me here at the gate and until next week remember to keep your vibrations high and have a wonderful day are until then seal later. Bye bye.

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E97: Nation of Yaweh Pt. 2 - Hulon Mitchell Jr.

Cults

1:08:30 hr | 1 year ago

E97: Nation of Yaweh Pt. 2 - Hulon Mitchell Jr.

"Due to the graphic nature of this cult crimes listener discretion is advised. This episode includes discussions of graphic violence and sexual abuse that some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. It was past midnight with the thirteen year. Old girl couldn't sleep as she lay awake. She heard quiet footsteps making their way down the temples hallway towards her room into her every footfall sounded like the crash of thunder signaling an oncoming storm but maybe tonight it would pass her there. It was the knock she had been chosen again. He stood in the doorway for a moment his white white robes glowing in the moonlight. The girl knew she should count herself lucky. Not everyone received galway's blessing the way she did. Many of the other girls were jealous of the attention she received from him but they didn't understand the toll it took on her. Your ways favor wasn't free to get it. She had to give him her sole her mind and her body hi. I'm greg paulson and i'm vanessa richardson and this is cults. A podcast cast original every tuesday we look at cults practices their leader and their followers today we're continuing our deep dive into the nation of galway and it's dangerously charismatic leader hugh lawn mitchell junior last week we charted the spiritual evolution of hugh mitchell until nineteen seventy seventy nine when forty four year old hugh lon established the nation of galway in miami florida this week will follow hugh lonzo journey as the nation of galway became one of the most prominent religious and civic organizations in miami but one hiding incredibly dark secret at par arc cast for grateful for you our listeners you allow us to do it. We love let us know how we're doing reach out on facebook and instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network and if you enjoy today's episode the best way to help us is to leave a five star review wherever you're listening it really does help we also now have merchandise dice head to podcast dot com slash merch for more information you can listen to previous episodes of cults as well as all apart casts other shows on spotify defy or wherever you listen to podcasts a new episode comes out every tuesday in may of nineteen nineteen eighty four white police officers were acquitted for fatally beating a black insurance salesman named arthur mcduffie. The verdict ignited ignited long simmering racial tensions in miami and set off three days of violent riots. Most people saw the riots as a terrible tragedy for hugh lon mitchell. It was an opportunity to grow the nation of galway he had established the religious organization in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine although the recruitment process process had been arduous but all that changed after the riots. Many people in miami's black community were attracted to humans message that god's chosen jose people were black it gave them a new sense of hope vanessa's takeover on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note vanessa is is not a licensed psychologist or a psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks greg. It's not surprising that people turn to the nation of y'all way as a way to express themselves after the riots according to dr kelton roads at the university of southern california cults provide a myriad of solutions which are more importantly accompanied by structure authority and close social contacts elements that people want need and which most of us take for granted in our everyday lives in the nation of galway people found that sense of community structure and empowerment and hugh lon provided the authority he he told his followers that they needed to stand as a single unit against the evil that was white society using versus from the book of access inspiration he he proclaimed. We move like one. We look like what we dress us. We act like one. We talk like one. We love like what we are one to visually distinguish themselves. The people of the nation of galway wore white robes that went all the way down to their feet. He said they were holy. Robes that mirrored god's own clothing shulan also required his followers to undergo strict lifestyle changes us to truly love themselves. They had to live by god's rules according to hugh lon that meant they couldn't smoke drink or do drugs. They couldn't gamble or go see movies. They had to abide by strict diet which was a modified version of kosher but the most important rules had to do with sex i sex with people outside the nation of galway was forbidden and if they were going to have sex it had to be for the purpose of procreation he encouraged his younger followers to start having children the moment they hit puberty as hugh lon put it. It's not about fallen in love. It's about multiplying in order to grow the tribe birth control the sect amies hysterectomies and tubal ligations were completely forbidden. However hugh lon kept up quiet about the fact that he had gotten a vasectomy himself after his divorce in one thousand nine hundred fifty eight to further unify his followers h- yulon took a page age out of the nation of islam's book and bestowed them all with new identities they all took the last name israel as a way to show their common heritage they they were also required to take new first names which they could select from a list of names from the bible as their leader hugh lawn took on the name moses israel sri l. with the swell of new members that join the nation of ya after mcduffie riots xuan was able to collect significant amounts of money from their monthly awfully donations by december of nineteen eighty. He had collected enough tied this from his followers to purchase a fifteen thousand square foot warehouse in the predominantly early black liberty city neighborhood. He proclaimed that it would be their nation within a nation after cleaning up the warehouse and giving it a fresh coat of white paint yulon asked his followers to move into the temple he wanted them to live communally away from the corrupting influence of society and completely dedicate kate their lives to god at first humans followers resisted. They weren't ready to give up everything they had to serve. God but houston refused to accept author hesitation citing the book of matthew. He admonished his followers. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me about l. Thirty followers buckled under humans pressure and moved into what was dubbed the temple of love. It had everything they needed a cafeteria a laundry laundry room an infirmary a grocery store and even an ice cream parlor. The followers would never need to leave. They could serve y'all way all day eh every day. They definitely didn't have much time for anything else. Temple residents were expected to rise at five a._m. And spend their time praying being in between a grueling schedule of household chores and missionary work to make sure they didn't shirk their duties. Hugh lon established a small security already force called the circle of ten named after a verse from the book of exodus quote and moses chose able men out of all israel and made them heads over the people rulers of thousands rulers of hundreds rulers of fifties and rulers of ten armed with five foot sticks. They called staffs of life. The ten were encouraged to discipline anyone who wasn't giving their all t._i. Only hugh lawns most trusted followers followers could join this exclusive force soon. The circle of ten was responsible for security outside the temple as well. They scared off drug dealers and ran down petty thieves. It didn't take long for criminals to learn. They should keep clear of the nation of jawa's wrath in between frightening petty criminals hugh lonzo followers were expected to go door to door throughout dade county spreading his message and selling merchandise pamphlets went for five dollars. A customized mayes king james bible with pictures of black saints and prophets could be had for twenty five dollars. The grassroots efforts worked by the spring of nineteen. Eighty-one forty-five-year-old hugh lawn attracted over five hundred people to saturday morning sermons. They loved him for his fiery rhetoric about demanding respect from the white establishment during his sermons. He loved to shout the refrain. I'm not leaving america until you turn fort knox over over to me at first all he asked from his new followers was a ten percent tithe of their earnings but soon new recruits began to face pressure from the followers living being in the temple if they could give their whole lives for your way surely the part timers could afford to give up a little more hugh lunn always maintained that donations ends were strictly voluntary but there was a price to pay for those who didn't give everything they could if part time followers skimped on their donations h- yulon john predicted they'd be visited by death and disaster. He wasn't any kinder to those living inside the temple. Hugh lon was obsessed with making his followers obey his rules. When it came to sex for the men he conducted regular genital inspections to make sure their penises were clean when a new initiates moved in hewlett presided over there mass circumcisions many were conducted by his twelve year old nephew anthony solomon aka joshua uh-huh israel for the women h- yulon personally took charge of monitoring their health but his examinations were anything but medical during one of hugh lawns weekly midwife classes a follower named lloyd clark could hear his wife laughing and screeching lloyd worried that something sexual was going on in between her and hugh lon he was right. It wasn't just with lloyd's wife unbeknownst to everyone else. Hugh lawn was sexually involved with almost every female l. and the temple including girls as young as ten at first lloyd tried his best to stay loyal and not make waves he joined in early nineteen naty making him what a few lawns earliest devotees as such he hated to question his holy leader but eventually he reached a breaking point one one day in the temple cafeteria. He heard his wife confined to a friend how much she loved well. Endowed men and lloyd was ashamed to say that didn't apply to him. He was certain she was talking about hugh lon unable to contain himself. He confronted her in front of the whole congregation. He called her horrible table names causing her to run away in tears that night hued line called everyone to an emergency meeting lloyd suspected that he was in trouble. He was right again in front of the whole congregation. Hugh lon singled lloyd out for his outburst in the cafeteria he shamed named lloyd for being so focused on sex additionally he scolded him for temple violations like sleeping on guard duty and leaving his clothes goes in the dryer as punishment hugh long ordered all the women to strike lloyd in the rear with a wooden paddle by the end of it he was in so much pain that he fell to the floor and cried for a half hour. Hugh lon had used a control tactic. The kelton roads identified as the hot seat technique in this strategy. The individual cult members are singled out in front of the others and forced to admit their weaknesses it lowers their self esteem and as a result makes them more malleable early a bowl to a leaders influence while lloyds punishment put him back in his place made others reconsider their loyalty to huron. They'd been attracted to hugh lawns. It's powerful presence but now they realize that it's demand for unwavering. Loyalty wasn't just talk. Eric burke known as yucky m- israel to his fellow. You always ways started questioning. Hugh lawns teachings lloyd's public paddling made eric take a second look at the principles yulon preached he began to feel like he had joined less of a black empowerment religion and more of a white hate colt eric was uncomfortable with hugh lawns views on sex and was worried that his donations weren't going towards helping the black community although he wanted to have faith in human eric couldn't bear to keep his concerns to himself. He asked the the temples bookkeeper carleton carey aka michelle israel if he knew where the donations were going carlton had no idea he only kept track of the money need that was coming in hugh lawn took care of the money going out. Carlton trusted that their leader made sure that the money went towards helping the black community but once it's called him admitted he had no idea where the money really went. He realized he could get in serious trouble. If the i._r._s. audited the temples finances he decided yeah. I did ask you lon for access to the accounts in the summer of nineteen eighty-one but instead of answers he was met with anger hugh. Lan refused is to tell carlton where the money was going. Frankly he was insulted. That carlton was questioning him. Luckily carlton didn't receive any punishment for confronting hugh logue but his doubts remained and it turned out that he wasn't the only one with questions carlton's wife mildred banks was concerned as well when when she first joined the nation of galway she found comfort in humans teachings about black profits but she was growing uncomfortable with his increasingly violent rhetoric towards awards whites and nonbelievers led by carlton mildred and eric burke a small group of dissidents secretly met to discuss their grievances against hugh lan and the nation of the way they did some digging and learned about humans passed they found out he had left the nation of islam after being accused of sexual improprieties eighties they discussed the possibility of leaving the nation of galway most of them no longer wanted to be associated with a man like hugh lon but they would never get the chance to escape within weeks. Most of them would be dead coming up. Hugh lawn sends a message message to anyone who questions his authority. What if your doctor didn't know what was wrong with you. Medicine isn't always is an exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game when the world's most renowned experts can't explain what's wrong. We're left with a medical mystery. Podcasts newest original medical mysteries brings high stakes storytelling and intrepid investigation to the hospital in the first medical procedural for the podcast cast space medical mysteries follows desperate patients battling mysterious symptoms as determined doctors race against the clock for diagnosis. How do you cure what you didn't know existed follow medical mysteries for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts or visit parkas dot com slash medical mysteries street to listen now and be sure to stick around after our show to hear a clip of the first episode of medical mysteries. You wanna miss it vanessa. I have some exciting news for you. 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That's stitcher premium dot com slash podcast and use promo code podcast and now back to the story in december of nineteen eighty forty five-year-old yulon mitchell purchased a temple to house fifty of of his five hundred followers in the nation of galway it was referred to as the temple of love but what went on inside the temple's walls was anything anything but loving as huron increasingly sought control over every facet of a smaller is lives a few of them started to question his leadership. A small small contingent of dissenting followers met regularly outside the temple to discuss their concerns. A few of them also began digging into their leaders shadowy past what they found shock them. The dissidents already suspected that hugh lon was engaging in inappropriate sexual acts with many of the temples female residents residents including underage girls when they discovered that he had left the nation of islam due to allegations of sexual impropriety their fears. There's were all but confirmed. Eric burke who had started the rebellion against hugh law decided to take matters into his own hands on november tenth nineteen eighty-one he won. He grabbed a pistol and drove to the temple to confront hewlett as he pulled up to the temple. Eric jumped out of the car dr and waved the gun in front of the guards keeping watch outside spraying bullets into the night sky he called for hugh lawn to come outside and face him like a man when hugh lon didn't take the bait eric eventually got back in his car and went home but h- yulon wasn't going to let the slight go the unpunished that night three of hugh lawns enforcers from the circle of ten armed themselves with knives and headed to eric's apartment eric eric new they'd becoming as the attackers came to his front door he fired two warning shots from his window realizing the futility of bringing knives to to a gunfight the nation of galway men retreated to the temple. Although the attack had failed yulon's message was clear anyone who rose against against him would be eliminated however not everyone heeded the warning two days later on november twelfth ashton green known as elijah <hes> to his nation of ya brothers and sisters came to the temple to try and extend an olive branch aston was roommates with carleton carey who led the dissidents students along with erik burke aston sympathized with carlton's 'cause but still had friends at the temple. He hoped he could bridge the divide between the two parties help. Bring everyone back together but the time for peace had passed aston was taken to a back room and beaten with an inch of his life. Hugh lawns enforcers wrapped aston's bloody head in carpet to soak up the blood and through his limp body into the trunk of a car. He was still alive just barely but he wouldn't be for much longer. The men took him deep into the everglades and did what hugh lan said they should due to hypocrites like aston the cut off his head afterward the nation of galway men returned to the temple ready to celebrate their act active devotion but the battle against the band of rebels was just getting started when the police discovered ashton's remains the next morning his roommate carlton to carry told them that hugh lawn was responsible. He may not have struck the killing blow but his enforcers had carried out the murder at his orders and hugh lon wasn't finished doling out punishment when carlton and his wife mildred got home in the early hours of november fifteenth four of the men who had cut off aston's head were waiting for them armed with guns and machetes carlton mildred had walked into an ambush carlton bought mildred some time to flee but it cost him his life the yaohua enforces quickly overwhelmed him and shot him point blank in the head mildred barely made it out of the front door before the enforcers got her to one of them grabbed mildred and sliced her across the neck drawn to the commotion. Neighbors turned on their front light not wanting to risk exposure. The attackers ran into darkness leaving mildred bleeding out it on the ground. The neighbor quickly called the paramedics and mildred barely survived after hearing what happened to his friends. Eric burke went into hiding his rebellion against hugh lawn was over the police knew that hugh lon was responsible for the attacks but to put him behind behind bars they had to overcome significant legal religious and cultural hurdles when detectives came to the temple to question yulon. He denied knowing doing anything about the murders. In fact he took exception to their questions. If anything he was the victim of racism and police persecution when a catholic catholic died people didn't blame the pope but because he was a black man trying to make an impact hugh lon was under suspicion in the end there was no real lebanon's tying fuel onto the murders and nobody other than mildred banks was willing to testify against him. The police had to drop their investigation. Hugh lan and his devoted followers celebrated their victory. They rejoiced that the rebels labeled uncle. Toms had been vanquished. They crowed that they had risen above the laws of man to take holy vengeance on those who doubted hugh lawns leadership the followers who had stayed loyal to hugh lon didn't believe they would ever suffer the same fate yes. He could be demanding. Yes he could be harsh but he had promised to take them to the promised land. They were determined to go with him. Freed from scrutiny inside and outside the nation of galway h- yulon took steps to make his religion bigger and and better on easter sunday nineteen eighty two forty six year old hugh lon sent twenty handpicked elders all across the country to spread his word award meanwhile the nation of ya in miami continued to grow hugh lon established a clothing factory a food distribution firm and a housing and company people to bottling plant that churned out a thousand bottles of ya beer wine and soda every day searching for revenue streams to pay for these new investments hewlett had many of his female followers apply for government welfare by nineteen eighty-three around three hundred women handed their monthly the welfare checks over to hugh lawn providing him with up to ninety thousand dollars of monthly income as the nation of ya grew yulon lorded over his followers. Even more temple residents were fed. Only one daily meal of rice corn bread and water are any members who didn't meet the monthly donation quota where sent to the temples prayer room they were forced to pray in their knees for hours and sometimes days if they're armed dropped or they tried to get up a temple guard would strike them with a wooden rod. Schumann's increasingly dictatorial ways may have been a direct the result of the unsuccessful rebellion against him according to professors seth david nor home and samuel hundley of emory university after a negative negative evaluation narcissistic people will demonstrate greater aggression even to individuals unrelated to the feedback but word of hugh lonzo despotic rule never reached the public to outside observers. The nation of ya way was dedicated to helping. Miami's impoverished black community hugh lon was certainly gently a firebrand but on the surface. It seemed like he was a true. Humanitarian hugh lawns positive press emboldened him in the spring ring of nineteen eighty-four forty eight year old hugh lan told his followers that he had a new name he was y'all way ben yesterday or god the son of god he told them i am heaven. I'm right in time at the end of the white man's rulership the beginning of your rulership shulan also announced that he was organizing a massive nationwide recruiting trip for the summer in june of nineteen eighty-four h- yulon and the two hundred followers now living in the temple left in a fleet of cars trucks and buses to embark on the twenty two city tour led by hugh lon spotless white limousine caravan crisscrossed the country raising money and attracting new followers. It was a massive success by the time they returned to miami in the fall of nineteen nineteen eighty four the nation of galway had grown to more than five thousand people nationwide. These new followers attended services at the extension temples. Humans handpicked elders had established throughout the country like the miami based followers. They were encouraged to donate as much of their money as possible muscle. All donations were funneled to the main temple in miami were hugh lawn had direct control of the funds but the new membership ship had come at a cost the followers who accompanied hugh on the tour were drained and exasperated each day. They were required to solicit a minimum of twenty dollars dollars worth of donations. Those who didn't meet the quota were denied their meagre daily meal of an apple an orange and a pair. Many were exhausted austin from subsisting in the inadequate living conditions while the transport buses may have boasted gleaming exteriors. The interiors were crowded and dirty followers were forced to fight for room to sleep and had to wash themselves in rest. Stop bathrooms furthermore. The buses were constantly breaking down in california -fornia. One bus drifted off the freeway smashing into a light pole and killing three people for many of the younger members of humans congregation. The recruiting trip trip had been an eye opening experience. The contrast between the freedom of the outside world and the oppression they faced within the nation of galway had become all too clear. We're after the recruiting trip. A group of teenage followers started to secretly meet and discuss the abuses. They suffered under hilo on many the young woman shared how human force them to have sex with him for years he had been raping one of them since she was only ten and a half apparently he had told her and the other girls that it was his job as god's messenger to teach women how to have sex in exchange for weekly sex he showered the girls those with gifts and trips to posh hotels in south beach starting in january nineteen eighty-five many of these younger followers began to flee the temple and and moving with nanya way relatives their courage inspired older members of the congregation. One notable defector was lloyd clark whose violent paddling paddling had inspired the first rebellion against hilo but the biggest defection of all was from hugh lawns own sister jean solomon for years. She'd been one of his most loyal followers ever since they were young gene had kept yulon secrets but now with rumors circulating that hugh alon had slept with jeans own daughter. She couldn't stand it anymore. In the summer of nineteen eighty-five gene and her daughter left the temple and never never looked back unlike the first insurrection against him there were too many factors for humans goons to track down slowly words spread about the violence that lay behind the temple of loves spotless exterior hugh lon knew that if he wanted to keep control of his increasingly fragile empire he he had to take action with violent retribution no longer possible he needed a new way to silence the whispers about him for this h- yulon on how to ace up his billowing white sleeve it was a tried and tested methods of getting people to turn a blind eye to illicit and illegal activity tippety and in miami. It was particularly effective. Hugh lon had money and within the year he'd have miami's most renowned powerbrokers in his pocket coming up q. Lon tries to buy his way to respectability but his lust for violence threatens to destroy everything thing he's built and now back to the story after the massive recruitment drive in the summer of nineteen eighty-four the nation of galway's ranks were bigger than ever with over five thousand members spread across the country forty nine year old yulon mitchell was at the peak of of his powers he had declared himself y'all way ben y'all way or god son of god but huron success came at a price. He's having had a taste of the outside world during the recruitment tour. Many of his teenage followers realized that the abuse they suffered in the temple wasn't normal after do they left. They shared stories of the horrors. They had endured at hugh lawns hands hewlett knew that if reports against him continued to come out it would only be a matter letter of time until law enforcement descended on the temple if he didn't take action everything he had built could come crumbling down but in miami. If someone had deep enough pockets they could get away with anything under the sun and with money rolling in from his followers in various business ventures she hugh lawns pockets were very deep starting in october of nineteen eighty four the nation of galway but apartment complexes and hotels in miami's as most crime ridden neighborhoods just like with the dilapidated warehouse that eventually became the temple of love each building received a major facelift oft painted in the always signature blinding white the new properties were assigned for criminals to stay far away to protect his new investments yulon assign guards to patrol the neighborhoods and chase off drug dealers and petty criminals with crime rates plummeting. Hugh long quickly ingratiated himself with local politicians titians. It was a win win for both parties h- yulon snatched up properties at cut rate prices and the politicians claimed credit for improving their our districts by the fall of nineteen eighty five hugh boasted to the miami herald that the nation of galway controlled over fifty million dollars and assets nearly one hundred twenty million in today's dollars in the spanish a year he had become one of the most powerful figures in miami he was was untouchable but as human grew in power he became more paranoid according to emory university's seth dave vinorum and samuel hunley dictatorial leaders like hugh lon tend to suffer from excessive anxiety mostly regarding paranoid fears of uprising and or assassination considering the horrible abuses inflicted upon his followers he wasn't surprising that h- yulon was concerned that they they might turn against him to combat is growing fears of enemies inside and outside. The temple lawn created a select squad of bodyguards known as the brotherhood. These bodyguards were step above the circle of ten. The brotherhood was made up a few lawns most fanatical followers in order to join. They had to be willing willing to execute all of his laws literally to show their unwavering loyalty. They had to kill a white man in jawa's name and and to prove they had done it. They were required to bring him. The victim's ear in april of one thousand nine hundred eighty six police discovered the corpse of a white homeless man near the temple temple six weeks after that a white gay couple were stabbed to death in their apartment. Soon dead bodies started turning up all over biscayne boulevard. Many many of them were missing an ear. Even as the body count rose the police didn't connect the nation of yao way to the deaths but while the local authorities were content to let hugh lawn literally get away with murder. The federal government wasn't so forgiving in may of nineteen eighty six a month after these honor killings started lloyd clark went to the f._b._i.'s office in south beach over the course of four hours he told special agent herbert cozens how he had gone from a vulnerable teenagers searching for truth to a violent warrior willing to do anything for his messiah but even with lloyd's testimony the f._b._i. Was powerless to move against hugh lawn. If they were going to take down the nation of y'all way they needed concrete evidence that hugh lawn was abusing his followers and ordering them to murder as the f._b._i. Began to closely monitor human activities it was still business as usual in the nation of yesterday hewlett hugh lon had no idea he was under investigation by the support of miami's most important powerbrokers. He continued spreading his influence across south florida in october nineteen eighty six the nation of y'all way purchased an apartment complex called dirt road located hated in the miami suburb of opel laka the dirt road apartments were a broken down mess. Although single mothers on month to month leases rented most of the apartments comments the complex was also prime gathering point for drug dealers. Shulan was determined to rid his new property of any traces of criminal activity. If that meant the innocent became collateral damage so be it on the morning of october twenty eighth nineteen eighty six over one hundred fifty of hugh lawns john's white robed followers arrived at the dirt road apartments in an armata buses. They went door to door telling tenants that they had to pay their rent or a face immediate eviction. Most of the residents refused to leave without an official eviction notice. The hallways didn't care they started clearing out empty apartments apartments regardless if they are actually vacated or whoever lived there was just gone for the day despite the tenants pleas for help. The police didn't do anything anything to stop the always hugh lon his followers had a track record of lowering crime rates and the police were eager for them to bring order to a chaotic neighborhood hud as the efforts to clear the dirt road apartments dragged on into the next day. Hugh lon grew impatient on the night of october twenty nine. He sent the brotherhood to the apartments. It was time to send his new tenants a message at around ten pm a green plymouth pulled up to the dirt road apartments. Two men stepped out. They were wearing street clothes but the dozens of galway guards stationed at the complex recognize them. I'm for what they were. Brotherhood enforcers. The brotherhood men nodded to a couple white robed guards. The guards then knocked on the apartment doors of two residents who were leading the resistance against being evicted. The guards lured the residents outside by claiming. Someone had hit their cars once they were out in the open courtyard. The guards forced the men to their knees. One of the brotherhood enforcers then stepped out of the darkness and pressed a gun to one of the residents heads pads with ya guards surrounding the complex. The other residents were powerless to come out and stop what was happening in plain view. The brotherhood enforcer enforcer pulled the trigger for all to see the other man tried to run but the brotherhood enforcer chased after him and tackled him to the ground. The resident was shot dead in the street. The local police had tried to stay out of the situation. Due to hugh lawns political connections public executions uh-huh were too much for them to ignore at one forty two a._m. On october thirtieth nineteen eighty six the police apprehended bobby rosiere also known as neo riot israel. He had twenty two caliber pistol cartridges in his pocket and they were traces of blood on his jeans. Furthermore once he was fingerprinted bobby was linked to almost all of the unsolved murders of the earless victims who appear throughout miami the evidence against bobby was overwhelming prosecutors announced that they would seek the death penalty against him hugh on quickly distanced himself from bobby claiming he it was a rogue agent and had been acting on his own. He excommunicated bobby from the nation of galway and refused to provide him with any legal assistance. He told his followers that bobby had threatened to reveal the nation secrets if yulon didn't provide him with a lawyer bobby had tried to extort him and had put his fellow followers is at risk by excommunicating bobby. Hugh lawn claimed he had saved them. All hugh lawns followers celebrated the excommunication. They didn't didn't stop to consider that had callously discarded one of his most loyal devotees. All that mattered was that hugh lon had protected them. Bobby couldn't believe it. He had given hugh lon his undying loyalty and now he was being thrown to the wolves in exchange for a milder sentence he agreed to help prosecutors build a case against hugh lawn over the course of one hundred hours worth of depositions bobby detailed his role in seven different different murderers. He claimed that h- yulon had ordered six of them every story bobbie told matched up with an unsolved murder as the federal government quietly built its case against yulon. He continued to build his profile in miami. As far as hewlett new the incident at the dirt road apartments mitts was only a small speed bump in his rise through miami's power structure by nineteen ninety fifty five year old hugh lon claimed that the nation of galway controlled over one hundred million dollars in assets he was so influential that miami's mayor declared that october seventh nineteen ninety wendy would be y'all way ben yeah away day over two thousand people gathered to celebrate hugh lawns accomplishments but hugh lon had no idea that his reign would come to an end a month later on november six. He flew to new orleans to visit the local temple there the f._b._i. Was right behind him at four forty five a._m. On november seventh nineteen ninety special agent herbert cozens personally arrested arrested yulon in room fourteen fifty of the motley own hotel much two cousins surprise hugh lawn didn't put up any resistance meanwhile while the f._b._i. Executed a carefully plan raid on the temple of love in miami. They were bracing for a deadly firefight but when they knocked down the doors there were only fifteen terrified women and children inside all the men were out on missions for hugh lawn in four cities across the south law. Enforcement officers arrested seventeen more members of the nation of ya. They were suspected of committing crimes that hugh lawns orders just like their leader they they put up no resistance even though hugh lon never got his hands dirty they had enough evidence to charge him with ordering crimes including conspiracy to commit arson extortion and murder if convicted on all counts he could face sixty years in prison. The the trial against hugh lan and his followers began on january second nineteen ninety two the prosecution's star witness was bobby rosiere in graphic detail detail bobby described the six murders he had carried out at hugh lawns request however during cross examination the defense showed that bobby had lied lied about some of the details for instance he falsely claimed he'd seen hugh lon personally cut off a victim's head in total. The prosecution presented ascended sixty witnesses over the course of eight weeks. Although the stories the witnesses presented were full of shocking details the defense did its best to discredit credit them at every turn making matters more complicated even though they were all on trial together every one of hugh lawns sixteen followers had different different lawyers and defense strategies the attorneys tried as hard as possible to complicate the case and baffled jurors by the time yulon took the stand on april twenty first nine hundred ninety two the jury's minds were relaying the trial had been going on for over four months and they could barely tell up from down throughout his two day testimony and cross examination hugh lawn steadfastly maintained that he was innocent any of his followers who had committed crimes had done it of their own volition. The trial ended on may twenty third nineteen ninety. Two the most substantial charge against you lawn was of criminal racketeering which meant that he was accused of ordering multiple serious crimes the standard of proof for such a crime was high and the defense had confused confuse the facts enough for it to be unclear if you lawn was guilty finely on may twenty seventh. The jury delivered its verdicts. Hugh lawn was declared claire not guilty of racketeering however he and six of his followers were found guilty on lesser charges of conspiracy in the end. They were sentenced the only eighteen years in prison less with good behavior. Although the state of florida tried to bring its own separate charges against hugh lan and his followers the case never went anywhere hugh on went to prison ready to serve out his sentence. He fully intended to be released early for good behavior. If all went according to plan he'd be out of prison in two thousand one at the age of sixty six he would resume leading the nation of y'all way as though he'd never left wbt in the meantime his followers tried to maintain his empire but without humans dominating personality the movement rapidly shrank the temple of love was abandoned quickly reclaimed by the petty criminals and dope fiends whose followers had scared away one by one the nation of y'all ways other properties were sold or abandoned many of you lonzo old allies in miami turned on him claiming they had no idea what he had been incapable of ss empire crumbled hugh lonzo health withered away he was released from prison in two thousand one but was barred from reconnecting with his former former followers he returned to south florida and toiled in obscurity asa landscaper in two thousand six sixty nine year old. Hugh lawn was diagnosed with prostate cancer. He died a year later throughout his life. Thousands of people had showered him with adulation but in the end end he died alone as of two thousand nineteen. The nation of y'all way is still in existence. It has tried to shed its image of an anti white hate cult but the organization is a shell of its former self. It's unknown how many followers the movement still has or if it even has a former leader for those who survived hugh lawns oppressive leadership the scars still remain lloyd clark now known as khalil amani continues continues to have nightmares about his time in the nation of galway speaking to the denver post. He said sometimes i think your way been y'all way has been resurrected and knocks on my front door. Sometimes i wonder in the dream. Maybe he really is god. Thanks again for tuning into cults. We'll be back tuesday with a new episode for more information on hugh mitchell and the nation of jawa amongst many sources we used we found sydney p freed berg's book brother. I love murder money and a messiah extremely helpful to our research. We'll be back with another episode. Next tuesday. You can find more episodes of cults as well. All is all of our casts other shows on spotify or your favorite podcast directory several view of asked how to help us if you enjoy the show. The best way to help is to leave a five. Let's talk review and don't forget to follow us on facebook and instagram at park cast and twitter at podcast network will see you next time. Cult was created aided by max. Cutler is a production of cutler media and is part of the podcast network. It is produced by max and ron cutler sound designed by dick schroeder with production assistance since bhai ron shapiro and paul moller additional production assistance by maggie admire carleen madden. This episode of colts is written by alex. Benetton and stars ars greg poulsen and vanessa richardson. Now that are episode is over. Here's the clip of the first. I episode of the podcast original medical mysteries. It's about joseph merrick a man with severe deformities who was first exhibited at a freak show as the elephant man follow medical mysteries for free on spotify and anywhere you listen to podcasts or visit podcast dot com slash medical mysteries to listen yes and now on a cold monday morning november eighteen eighteen eighty four a canvas banner was unfurled over a shop window on whitechapel road in london. The crude painting showed a humanoid creature with an elephant's trunk rampaging through the jungle. It was monstrous unfathomable. It was the elephant man half a man and half an elephant. A top headed showman barked at the doctors and students trailing into the london hospital right across the street for just two pence. They could see the specimen for themselves but ladies in delicate health were advise is not to step inside the elephant. Man's condition could be quite a shock as the man led the curious spectators in he he warned them ladies and gentlemen brace yourselves to witness one who is probably the most remarkable human being ever to draw the breath breath of life and then he pulled back the curtain standing on the small stage was horribly horribly disfigured man covered in folds of drooping lumpy skin. His right arm was twice as big as the left ending ending in a massive finn like hand his feet were oversized flat and wrinkled like an elephants. His head was bizarrely distorted and covered in hard tumors aboni mass protruded from his upper lip and buried behind nine. The swollen misshapen brow were a pair of brown eyes gentle right and unmistakably human imagine sitting across the desk from your doctor the splashy x it's raising 'em. Our is our clipped on the wall. The test results are in a manila folder tilted. Just out of your line of sight questions are already already forming in your mind. Is it serious. What's my chance of recovery. When my insurance pay for this imagine your doctor looking you in the hi and saying we don't know when our bodies fail we trust doctors to diagnose the problem but medicine isn't always an exact exact science. Sometimes it's a guessing game with life or death stakes. This is medical mysteries apar- our cast original. I'm molly and i'm richard. Every tuesday will look at the strangest real life medical cases in history and the experts who raced against the clock to solve them as we follow these high intensity stories will explore medical research that might solve the puzzle next week in part two will analyze all the evidence and try to find an answer you can find episodes of medical mysteries and all other park has originals for free free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts this is our first episode on joseph carey merrick who became well known as the elephant man in the eighteen eighties this week will explore the development of merrick's baffling condition and his doctors attempts to diagnose it next week we'll look at his improbable rise to fame in london high society and the research that might have finally explained his illness <music> today according to the c._d._c. about three percent of all newborns bornes are born with congenital disorders commonly known as birth defects. This can include anything from cleft palates to heart malformations. That's two extra fingers or toes. Congenital disorders were just as common in the late nineteenth century as they are today but the elephant man the symptoms were more extreme than anything his doctors had ever seen from the age of five joseph merrick began to exhibit strange bony growths on his face facing skull his feet and right arm grew out of proportion to the rest of his body and his spine was curved by severe scoliosis the skin all over his body took on a rough lumpy texture and folds of loose overgrown skin hung down from his head back and chest the condition asian progressed over the course of his life and by the time he reached adulthood his symptoms were so shocking that he couldn't leave the house without causing a panic on the streets during joseph's lifetime very little was known about human genetics but his unique set of symptoms helped researchers connect the dots between a few disorders that weren't thought to have an underlying cause for the next two episodes will look at the evolving theories about what it caused. His condition was it caused by trauma. His mother suffered while he was in the womb. Was it a combination of skin disorders known as dermatologists assists and pecci dermatitis ella and if so how do his bone deformities fit into the picture finally we'll look at genetic research from later later decades that might explain the root of his symptoms but first. Let's start with the theory. That joseph himself accepted as the truth maternal journal impression for this. We have to go back to the very beginning in may of eighteen sixty two womb wells els travelling menagerie pass through leicester england. The national was a collection of exotic animals drafts lepers zebras lions and elephants mary jane merrick at twenty five year old. Sunday schoolteacher was in the crowd watching the animals prey down the street. She was six six months pregnant with her first child and so far the pregnancy had gone smoothly. She kept a hand on her belly dreaming of all the things they would do who and c. together wants. Her child was born. Suddenly the crowd swelled forward and mary was pushed into the road. She fell right in the path south of the elephants. She looked up to see a pair of thick wrinkled feet stomping torture. She scrambled out of the way just in time as has the elephants brushed past. She caught her breath and checked herself or injuries. She and her unborn child had made it out just fine the three months later on august fifth eighteen sixty two. Mary gave birth to a perfectly healthy baby boy. They named him joseph after his father baby. Joseph was in fine health for the first few years of his life. His first medical scare didn't income until age five when he tripped and fell badly injuring his left hip. The wound became infected before it could he'll inflaming the hip bone and causing permanent damage to the joint this made it difficult and painful for the young boy to move for the rest of his life. Joseph merrick would never be able to walk properly. He could only shuffle across the playground with his cane while the other children ran and played to make matters worse as well as hip injury was still barely healing. Mary noticed something strange happening to her son's face. A swollen lump was growing going out of his upper lip. At first it was only slightly raised as if he'd fallen down and landed on his face nothing to be too concerned about but as the months progressed it grew into a tumor that ran across his right cheek pressing his upper lip outwards gradually other symptoms uh-huh started to develop his skin especially on his back and chest became loose and rough his right arm grew out of proportion as did his feet which were turning into thick shapeless stumps and soon the hard lump of flesh on his lip was several inches long resembling rather unfortunately in elephants trunk. Mary's mind went back to the parade. She'd witnessed while pregnant. The elephant encounter encounter must have scared her so badly. It affected the baby in her womb. Joseph was marked from before birth by the memory of his mother's fear as bizarre as it sounds. This was actually a common medical theory at the time maternal impression or the idea that a mother's thoughts and emotions could affect a developing fetus gained popularity in the middle ages. It was believed view that if a woman was particularly sad during pregnancy the child might be born with a predisposition towards depression or other mental illnesses or if a mother was traumatized by certain animal the baby would be born with resemblance to that animal. This idea was based in folklore for more than biology by the late nineteenth century. The theory was already falling out of favor as doctors gained a better understanding of genetics but while there's no evidence that specific thoughts or fears like a run in with a circus elephant can cause birth to fax research does suggest that at a mother's lifestyle diet and stress levels can impact fetus's development the body's stress response is regulated by the corticotropin-releasing hormone one or c r h this hormone is secreted by the hypothetical news the part of the brain that regulates most bodily functions during pregnancy c. c. r. h. is also produced by the placenta which can lead to highly elevated levels of stress hormones in the bloodstream and nineteen ninety-six study by developmental psychologist janet a._d._p. Etro found that in mothers who reported high levels of stress or depression their fetuses exhibited higher heart rates and were less responsive to external stimuli. Both of these factors are associated with an increased risk of anxiety. Thanks -iety and emotional regulation problems in childhood. This suggests that a mother can in a sense pass on anxiety or depression to their tailed exposure to stress hormones can also impact oregon development according to a two thousand eight study in developmental cycle biology quote during the last trimester of pregnancy exposure to the stress hormone cortisol is critical for the maturation of the cardiovascular system the pulmonary commentary system renal systems and overall fetal growth however there isn't sufficient evidence linking maternal stress to more severe ear congenital disorders like symptoms five year old. Joseph merrick was exhibiting. It's also unlikely that one brief stressful event like a sudden fall during a parade would affect hormone levels enough to harm developing fetus but in the eighteen sixties maternal impression due to the elephant encounter was the best explanation anyone could offer and five year old. Joseph seemed to accept it. He grew into a lonely shy. Hi child who spent most of his time reading. Mary encouraged his love of learning as a sunday school teacher herself. She made sure her son's health. Issues didn't keep him out of class. The family's second child william was born without any medical issues to speak of it appeared that whatever was wrong along with joseph at least it didn't run in the family but in eighteen sixty seven the same year. Joseph started showing his symptoms. Mary gave birth to their third child. A daughter named marian records indicate that she was disabled from birth but the exact nature of her disability ability isn't clear congenital disorders are often caused by hereditary genetic problems even if both parents appear perfectly healthy they still still might be carrying genetic mutations that can be passed down to their children. If joseph and marianne both had similar symptoms it's possible that they both with inherited the same mutation but it's also possible that the two children's health problems were unrelated. There are many factors that can cause congenital genital disorders and we don't know enough about marion's disability to suggest that it had anything in common with joseph's in spite of his ever-worsening health problems joseph's early childhood was mostly happy then in eighteen seventy three another health related tragedy tragedy struck. The merrick family joseph's mother. Mary suddenly fell ill and died from bronchial pneumonia. Uh it was devastating for ten year old joseph. It apparently wasn't as devastating for joseph senior because within two years offers of his wife's death he remarried to the families landlady em would anthill emma was a widow with two daughters of her own and the new stepsisters may joseph's young life miserable by this point. Joseph's afflictions had progressed from mildly unusual to downright all right disturbing the other children never let him forget it. These now like tumor on his mouth and cheek had grown considerably making making it increasingly difficult for him to speak to make matters worse. Another growth was forming on his forehead and sacks of spongy skin. Dan now hung down from the back of his skull. A foul odor emanated from the skin growths no matter how often he bathed twelve-year-old joseph yousef was always the odd one out whether it was at home or at school to add injury to insult his hip problems made it impossible for him mm to run away from the bullies just a year after his father's remarriage. Joseph left school at the customary age of thirteen at the insistence distance of his stepmother. He got a job at a cigar factory to do his part in supporting the family. This job was fine at first it. He didn't require much walking and he didn't have to interface with the public bud by the time he was fifteen his right handed grown so large and heavy heavy that it was impossible for him to roll cigars. He had no choice but to leave his job. However unemployment wasn't an option. The family's finances were tight and joseph stepmother. Emma didn't have any sympathy for his disability more than once m._s._n. Has played down own for dinner with a sharp remark that it was more food than he had earned in a misguided attempt to keep the peace joseph's father put him to work at the family shop in a role he thought would be well suited to the boy's condition door to door sales. Why joseph senior your thought his disabled shockingly deformed son would find success as a traveling salesman is a mystery for another day but undaunted by the challenge as you head fifteen year old joseph hobbled through the city lugging his father's wears in one hand and his walking cane. He knocked on the door of each residence knowing that any unsuspecting housewife who answered with simply scream and slammed the door in his face. If a male aol homeowner answered the door there was a better chance they might stand gawk instead of immediately fleeing in fear when this happened. Joseph joseph launched into his best sales pitch but because of the growth on his lip. It was nearly impossible for anyone to understand what he was saying. Uh as he limped through the streets a crowd of spectators would gather around staring whispering. He tried to persevere. You're after all he was used to being teased for his appearance but it was impossible to sell his goods when he was constantly mobbed on the streets. Joseph joseph was beaten severely by his father. When he came home without meeting his daily sales quota by age sixteen he stopped coming the home at all spending whatever money he made on food and cheap lodging houses his only comfort was a small painted portrait of his mother her which he carried with him everywhere she had always encouraged him to be as best even in spite of his condition. If she was watching over over him there was nothing he couldn't overcome but positive thinking couldn't change reality living on his own was unsustainable on the monday after christmas in eighteen seventy nine seventeen year old joseph packed his bags and dragged himself through the iron gates of the leicester a union workhouse in an effort to combat poverty. The british government setup work houses where we're unemployed or infirm citizens could perform menial labor for room and board to encourage the poor to find their own jobs instead of relying on the government government. The conditions in the work houses were so horrifying that only the most desperate would resort to applying joseph was given a uniform arm and lead through the drabs stone corridors to his dormitory where he'd share a room with as many men as they could physically fit inside every morning at six a._m. He was woken up for a breakfast of bread and gruel. He'd worked from seven in the morning to six at night. Chopping wood or unraveling old pieces of rope after dinner he went back to the dorms and sat down to sleep because of the heavy masses ask of flesh growing from the back of his skull lying down strained his neck and made it difficult to breathe. He had to sleep sitting up with with his knees pulled up to his chest. His arms wrapped around his legs and his head resting forward on his knees. The next morning joseph would wake up from a very uncomfortable night of sleep and get ready for another day of menial work. This was his daily routine for a soul soul crushing for years. The only bright spot came in eighteen eighty two about halfway through his stay. The elephant trunk tumor on his lip. Yep had grown to be eight or nine inches long and he could no longer move his mouth enough to chew so he was taken to the infirmary. The surgeons had no no useful advice on what was causing joseph's condition or how to cure it but they were able to remove nearly four ounces of flesh from his upper lip just enough that he was able to open and close his mouth again and then it was back to the workhouse for an intelligent educated young man. Dan le joseph being locked away for a lifetime of labor was a depressing prospect. He wanted to see the world he wanted to live life if but what was there to do if he couldn't walk or talk or roam the streets without causing a panic the answer came from a newspaper advertisement highs mint sam tours gaddi palace varieties the most buzz worthy musical in leicester. Joseph knew the place well. It was just around the corner from his childhood home for his next big spectacle sam tour was looking for curiosity's novelties as some would say freaks of nature. Joseph merrick had found the perfect career coming up. The elephant man's steps into the limelight.

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E96: Nation of Yaweh - Hulon Mitchell Jr.

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E96: Nation of Yaweh - Hulon Mitchell Jr.

"On March thirty first nineteen eighty four white police officers went on trial for fatally beating being a black insurance salesman named Arthur mcduffie after six weeks of proceedings they were acquitted on all charges on May seventeenth by an all white all male jury by seven pm that evening riots had already spread through Miami's liberty city and over town neighborhoods over the next three days eighteen people were killed and eight hundred were arrested by the time the violence ended the city had suffered eighty million dollars dollars in damages the nineteen eighty Miami riots were the first major race riots since the late nineteen sixties but they didn't come out of nowhere. The city suffered from extreme racial inequality and the violence was a tragic indication of just how bad things were however in the eyes of one local religious leader. The racial tension in Miami was anything but a tragedy for the man known as Y'all way Ben Yeah Al Way it was an opportunity hi I'm Greg Paulson and I'm Vanessa Richardson and this is called. It's a podcast original. Every Tuesday we look at a cults. It's practices their leader and their followers today. We're taking a deep dive into the nation of Galway under the leadership of its charismatic leader. He Hallway Ben Yeah Way away. The cult was instrumental in helping improve some of Miami's worst neighborhoods during the nineteen eighties however underneath the surface the nation of Yao Galloway was much less benevolent than it seemed this week we chart the early life and various personas of Y'all way Ben Yeah away until he finally Ali founded the nation of Galway in nineteen seventy nine in next week's part two will examine the nation of y'all as growth throughout the nineteen eighties and and how the empire came crumbling down at the hands of the F._B._i.. 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The Nation of Ya was founded in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine by mysterious man who who eventually called himself y'all way Benway the Miami based organization was a loose offshoot of the Black Hebrew Israelite Movement and also incorporated corporated messaging from the nation of Islam throughout the nineteen eighties y'all way Benway attracted followers with his messaging that God and the biblical. Oh prophets were black as a self-appointed Messiah Y'all way Benway insisted he would lead his followers to paradise by its peak in Nineteen nineteen ninety. The Nation of Yala was a veritable empire. It boasted an estimated twenty thousand members with churches and forty five cities costs sixteen sixteen different countries. It has been estimated that the organization had anywhere from eight million dollars to over one hundred million dollars in total assets to the public public. y'All way been y'all way projected peaceful benevolent image in reality. He ruled over his followers with an iron fist on November November seventh nineteen ninety he was arrested and indicted on charges of conspiracy extortion and murder. Although Ya Benway Galway died in two thousand seven at age seventy one his movement lives on in two thousand nineteen albeit in a more limited fashion y'all way Ben Yeah Away was born on October twenty seventh nineteen thirty five as Hugh Lawn Mitchell junior in Kingfisher Oklahoma the homa from the moment he was born. Hugh Lon seemed destined for a life dedicated to religion his father Hugh Lan senior was a holiness pentecostal hostile preacher and his mother Pearl was a highly talented church singer from a very young age. Hugh Lawn was convinced that he was special even though he didn't post especially impressive grades he boasted to anyone who would listen that his I q was so high that it couldn't be measured Vanessa's going to take over on the psychology here and throughout the episode please note. She's not a licensed psychologist or psychiatrist but she has done a lot of research for the show. Thanks Greg Greg. Although self confidence isn't necessarily a bad thing hugh lawns inflated belief in his own abilities may have been an early sign of narcissistic personality personality disorder according to child psychologists Brian de Johnson and Laurie Berdahl narcissists filter information and react on the basis of their egos. They're actions reflect grandiose beliefs of superiority and uniqueness as well as their need for admiration and worship although it's difficult difficult to diagnose people with narcissistic personality disorder before they turn eighteen and early warning sign can be a child's egotistical view of extraordinary. I self worth and Little Hugh Lon certainly had a high opinion of himself when he was only three years old he reenacted the story of Moses leading the Hebrews across the Red Sea for his mother his role in the story the burning Bush or God himself from an Early Age Huilan Yulon practice guiding his own little flock as he was entrusted with the care of what would eventually be fourteen younger siblings with his father busy preaching get to churches and working factory job it fell to hugh lawn to make sure his younger siblings abided by their father strict rules no dancing no fighting no stealing and no improper interaction with the opposite sex but the ultimate authority in the Mitchell household household was still yulon senior. If any of his children's set a foot out of line he would punish them as a unit with group whippings by punishing all of his his children anytime a rule was broken. Huilan senior was practicing collective punishment. According to a study on cooperative behavior conducted Viallet Gow and zone Wong of China's northwestern Polytechnical University the authors ultimately concluded that collective punishment was an effective a tool for promoting cooperation within small groups in Chalon seniors mind collectively whipping as children also way to keep them all accountable for each other's actions teams however he wasn't considering the psychological effects that such physical punishments would have according to the U._S. Department of Health and Human Services when children are physically abused it can lead to educational difficulties low self esteem depression and trouble forming and maintaining relationships whilst Yulon junior certainly didn't suffer from low self esteem. He did eventually grow to resent his father's so-called tough love when Yulon Yulon graduated from high school in Nineteen fifty three he moved away from home and enrolled a Texas College in Tyler Oklahoma freed from his family's restrictive shackles tackles Xuan studied math and music. He was a talented trumpet player and was certain he could make a name for himself as a jazz musician but after less than a year in school a wrench was thrown into H- Yulon's plans in the form of the selective service act although the Korean War was coming to an end the Cold War was heating up and Uncle Sam still needed soldiers if the government's quotas couldn't be met with voluntary enlistment there was a chance Hugh nealon could be drafted into the Armed Forces Hewlett new if he was drafted it would probably be into the army most likely he would be stuck serving as little a little more than a lowly grunt rather than leaving it to chance Huilan voluntarily enlisted in the air force which historically treated it's black soldiers better in September of one thousand nine hundred sixty four nine thousand nine year old Yulon returned to his parents home in Enid Oklahoma where there was a large air force base but although he was back in his father's household H- Yulon had outgrown his authority as he waited for his official assignment H- Yulon started going to parties and dating women women one of those women was eighteen year old not may child's a kind young woman who completely idolized Yulon after only a few weeks of dating wedding they were married on October Fifteenth Nineteen fifty four in Hugh Lon Seniors Church shortly thereafter the newly minted airmen Mitchell it was assigned to Parks Air Force Base in California. The newly pregnant not may went with him having grown up following his father's orders Hugh John Quickly discovered that the military lights suited him the air force was its own sort of religion but instead of worshiping God Hugh Lan and his fellow airmen and follow the tenants set forth in training manuals and was subject to the whims of the United States government. He'll on completed the air force's general instructors course in the summer of nineteen fifty five he loved instilling the virtues of duty unquestioning loyalty and discipline in others at the age of Twenty Hugh Lon became a tactical instructor while H- Yulon had all the rights and privileges of an officer he still had the title and wages of an enlisted airmen by the summer of Nineteen fifty six twenty one year old Hugh Lon had two daughters with another on the way he began to worry that a career in the air force wouldn't be enough to support his growing ambitions and family as human contemplated as future the nascent civil <unk> rights movement led by Martin Luther King Junior had a profound effect at his worldview Hugh Lon was extremely moved by M._l._K.'s message that Christian Chen leaders had a moral obligation to fight racism it stood in stark contrast to the messages father and other holiness preachers had instilled in him as a youth which focused less on fighting inequality on earth and more on following God's rules so he could get into heaven. M._l._K.'s message also disillusioned delusions Yulon with the military. He didn't see why he should continue to serve a country which didn't serve him or his community in return in late nineteen eighteen fifty seven his term of service ended and Hugh Lon not may moved back to Enid Oklahoma around the same time Hugh Lawn search self-fulfilment led him to explore other religions. He became particularly interested in the occult teachings of the Rosicrucians who believed humans could unlock secret Krit wisdom hidden within themselves through discipline study and prayer as someone who believed he was destined for greatness these teaching certainly appealed old to H- Yulon but the occult was too much for not may to handle if she wasn't going to adopt his shifting beliefs Hugh Lon wasn't going to stay married to her shortly. After they returned to Enid he filed for divorce in January nineteen fifty eight twenty two year old Hugh Lawn took advantage of the G._i.. Bill which provided educational assistance to military service members veterans and their dependents he enrolled at Phillips University Janine it becoming one of the school's first black students in addition to his studies on the American government and social problems Hugh Lawn spent hours on end in the college library. He was particularly interested in history war and world leaders. He was obsessed with analyzing what made rulers throughout route history effective what made people love them. What made people fear them while at Phillips University Hugh Lon attended Rallies Leeson integration strategies sponsored by the Oklahoma N. Double A._C._p.? Youth Council embarking on a mission to end segregation in public spaces Yulon helped organize a sit in at to downtown ended lunch counters in August of Nineteen fifty-eight but as Hugh Lawn became one of the leaders of Oklahoma's civil rights. It's movement. He was dealing with the repercussions of his separation from not may the divorce trial was on January seventh nineteen fifty-nine but not not made didn't show up when Hugh Lon asked for sole custody of their four children he got it H- Yulon relished his life as a single father father he was raising his children managing a household and was still a fulltime student at Phillips University while studying Historical Leaders Hugh Hugh Lon became extremely interested in psychology here long nurtured his new interest by spending his weekends discussing psychology with a small group of other our students during these discussions Hugh Lana his fellow students struggled to make sense of their rapidly changing world he desperately wanted to be accepted in society society regardless of his skin color but didn't see how that was possible. Nevertheless he was determined to try after graduating from Phillips on June First Nineteen Sixty at the age of twenty four Huilan enrolled in law school at the University of Oklahoma. He was the only black person at his class shortly. After starting school. Hugh on met twenty-seven-year-old Khloe height she was working towards her doctorate in education bonding over for their mutual interest in the education of Black Children Hugh Lawn and chloe quickly became inseparable and were married sometime in early nineteen sixty one and unlike <unk> first marriage he and chloe never had any children for reasons he never disclosed. Hugh Lan had a vasectomy shortly after his divorce in the fall of nineteen sixty. One KHLOE got a teaching job at Albany State University and Georgia Hugh Lon dropped out of law school so he and his kids could go with her a small town of fifty seven thousand people Albany was still firmly segregated and one of the flashpoints of the Civil Rights Movement movement however Huron had lost his passion for protests and sit INS although he had successfully battled for integration back in Oklahoma Yulon didn't think it had improved black people's overall place in society hugh long later wrote the civil rights movement was about fighting and dying to get inside side of oppression to be better oppressed. You wanted to sleep in the White Hotel. The civil rights movement was not about owning a hotel in his search search for meaning Yulon studied the teachings of Elijah Muhammad the leader of the Nation of Islam perhaps most famous for influencing the philosophy of Malcolm X. Acce the nation of Islam preached black separatism in place of immigration in addition to its message of black empowerment. The Nation of Islam also incorporated rated pieces of the Muslim religion. Its members were required to adhere to a strict lifestyle. No Smoking no drinking no swearing no gambling and harsh punishment for disobedient children in the nation of Islam Hugh on found the philosophy he had been searching for his entire life in addition into a moral code that hearkens back to his upbringing. The message that black people should celebrate their blackness was a revelation in nineteen sixty four twenty twenty nine year old Yulon and thirty two year old KHLOE moved from Albany to Atlanta or the nation of Islam had a major presence Hewlett enthusiastically. He joined the growing movement to show his dedication to the nation of Islam. Hugh Lon dropped the last name Mitchell and took on the moniker Hugh Lon ax ax according to Elijah Muhammad's teachings the X. represented the true family name that was stripped from Hugh lawns ancestors when they were forcibly brought to America by white slavers and when the time was right Allah would bestow Hugh Lan with a new name one that would signal his true self coming up H- Yulon rises through the nation of Islam's ranks and his spiritual beliefs continue to evolve solve. If you're planning a wedding do it my friends arrogant. Diana did use Zola to take the stress out of Wedding Planning Zola has free wedding websites websites the easiest wedding registry affordable invite sweets and more Zola has hundreds of beautiful wedding website designs to choose from and they all have have matching invitation sweets. 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And Elijah Muhammad in addition to embracing Elijah's Elijah teachings yulon enrolled at Atlanta University to continuous education but he lon didn't think the nation of Islam needed anymore lawyers instead head of re enrolling in law school. He decided to pursue a master's degree in banking and monetary policy joining the N._O.. I hadn't robbed Yulon of his upward. Damn Bishen and he wanted to be a key figure. In guiding the organization's economic growth as Yulon continued his studies his wife Chloe also embraced braced life as a woman she was expected to stay in the background and support her husband. Although she continued to work as a teacher she was also responsible for homeschooling her four step children according to Elijah Muhammad's teachings public schools were dangerous environments that bread sadists drug addicts and perverts hugh loans dedication to the cause remained a strong as his wife's on May thirty first nineteen sixty five he graduated from Atlanta a university with a master's degree in economics at the age of twenty nine Elijah was full of praise for Hugh Lawn and named Him Minister of Atlanta's mosque can number fifteen Elijah also bestowed Yulon with the Holy Name Shah meaning the ruler chu-lan now all known as Minister Hamad received reports that H- Yulon was abusing his position for personal gain according to anonymous informants Hugh lawn stole fifty thousand thousanddollars from the according to one of Elijah's closest aides Taller Obama'd Hugh Lon was also accused of sexual improprieties. He's including sex with minors and having homosexual tendencies in the hyper masculine world of the N._F._l.. Why these are serious allegations he's almost more serious than stealing the fifty thousand dollars? Elisa ordered tight-lip to go to Atlanta at wants to investigate if the accusations against Yulon had any merit we don't know if Yulon actually acted inappropriately or if the rumors about him were fabricated by covetous subordinates who wanted take his place. Regardless Hugh Lawn made the decision to quit the N._R._A.. Before the investigation concluded but simply quitting wasn't enough to get him out of danger it was all but accepted that Elijah Muhammad had ordered the assassination of former members of the N._F._l.. I previously while it was never proven in court most members of the N._y.. Knew that Elijah had encouraged followers to go after Malcolm X.. In February nineteenth sixty five for his own safety safety Yulon knew that he needed to disappear for a while but he'd gotten a taste for leadership and at thirty two years old he couldn't return to a life without without power in June nineteen sixty eight after about a year in hiding H- Yulon resurfaced in Atlanta with a new identity uh he was no longer Yulon axe or minister shah he was Father Michelle a play on his given last name of Mitchell Hugh Lon linked talk with a local clothes salesman named Billy Stephen Jones or Father Johnny. The two men took to the airwaves as Atlanta's newest radio evangelists Angeles for the newly established modern Christian church during his time in the N._F._l.. Y H- Yulon had personally seen how a charismatic religious leader could gain influence over people desperate to find meaning in their lives having studied the powerful oratory skills of influential NOAA spokesman like like Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan Hewlett had become a gifted speaker. He promised his radio listeners that for a small fee he could solve all are there problems whether they were personal social financial or anything else and they believed him with the contributions Hewlett and billy received. They bought more airtime with more airtime. They got more contributions soon. The supposedly nonprofit modern Christian church provided why did them with a lavish lifestyle Xi Lan wrote around Atlanta in a blinding white limo dressed in resplendent white robes using church funds. He bought himself a large house on a hill in northwestern Atlanta along with two brand new Cadillac El Dorados Hugh lawns partner billy was living it up as well although he remained slightly more modest than hugh lawn. He lavishly decorated his apartment. Even installing a velvet throne with a white tasseled canopy his living room the partners new lifestyles didn't go unnoticed at ten thirty P._M.. On May twenty twenty-third nine thousand nine hundred sixty nine three men rang billy's doorbell assuming they had an appointment with billy his wife life. Let them in without hesitation the moment they set foot in the living room they pulled out pistols and opened fire billy grabbed a gun he kept under his throne and fired off a few rounds but it was no use he died in his living room from three gunshots to the back mark. The police assumed it was a robbery attempt but the case wasn't so clear cut billy had managed to fatally wound two of his killers when when the police found the bodies they realized the attackers both lived in Jacksonville Florida over three hundred miles away. The third suspect aspect was also apprehended later in Chicago which just so happened to be where the nation of Islam's headquarters were located considering Hugh Lan left the Eno why on such bad terms it's possible Elijah Muhammad ordered a hit on him and billy. Unfortunately the case was never closed for whatever whatever reason the surviving attacker was never prosecuted but if billy's murder intimidated Hugh Lon he didn't show it after his partner's death Yulon dedicated himself to making the modern Christian church even bigger as the congregation grew hugh lawn bought got more airtime in more cities all over the country with large black populations his followers started calling him the king and Huron did nothing to discourage them them at an event for the modern Christian Churches First Anniversary on June twenty nine th nineteen sixty nine thirty three year old Hugh Lawn carried a sceptre and wore wore a gold crown inlaid with red gills the budding narcissism H- Yulon showed as a child had fully bloomed into what psychotherapist Dr Joseph Joseph Burgo termed an extreme narcissist extreme narcissists are driven by an overwhelming desire to put themselves over others one way they do this is by amassing vast sums of wealth but as Burgo wrote because there will always be someone more successful and wealthier the extreme narcissist is never satisfied. He needs to continue amassing an ever larger fortune and flaunting it to everyone around him dressed in his extravagantly royal garb Huilan fit those descriptions to a T. flaunting his wealth to the world he promised his followers that he and he he alone could miraculously cure whatever ails them if they subscribe to the fee structure of his blessing plan described in a brochure that was distributed he did his meetings Huilan boasted that his blessing plan would supposedly help the lame walk the blind see the deaf hear air disorders disappear operations are cancelled the also promised his followers great riches of their own telling them God wants wants you to be rich. The Bible says Richardson Wealth is the Gift of God Hugh Lawns followers deeply believed in his boastful claims they were willing to go to the ends of the Earth for the king. He knew that they would do anything for him. Even kill in the spring bring of nine thousand nine hundred seventy thirty four year old Hugh Lawn spoke to about two hundred congregants at a Sunday meeting at the modern Christian churches recently purchased Atlanta Headquarters <music> when a sermon ended human turned to his bodyguard lucious Boyce he had only just recently hired Boyce and believed he was a spy from the guy why he told his followers that Boyce was a hit man who had been hired to kill him. It's not clear why Hewlett believed this. Maybe he was paranoid about his former former partners killers coming back to finish the job. Maybe he feared that his extravagant displays of wealth made him a target. Maybe he just wanted to see how far is followers would go to protect him. Hugh Lan told the crowd he had proof to back up his claims but his loyal devotees didn't need it on Yulon's word alone they crowded around Boyce and mercilessly beat him. Somehow boy survived the attack. After he recovered heard he filed a slander lawsuit against Yulon but the case never went to trial H- Yulon's lawyer successfully argued that the First Amendment gave gave him broad protections of freedom of speech especially within the context of religion with the backing of his loyal followers Huron continued continue to grow the modern Christian Church in nineteen seventy four he decided the organization was ready to take another step at the age of thirty nine Hugh Lana amended the Churches Corporate Charter to turn it into a social economic and spiritual behemoth Hugh Lon appointed himself President and National Minister for life and made preparations to expand the modern Christian churches scope far beyond a simple ministry while the church which grew Huilan continued to skim from its funds to enrich himself donations kept rolling in under the guise of helping the needy with transportation services ervices housing clothing and food in reality. The money was going straight into Hugh Lonzo pocket. Eventually though Hugh Lon got too greedy in nineteen seventy eight his followers finally caught onto what he was doing and sued H- Yulon for fraud but once again in Houston was one step ahead before the authorities could corner him he took his children and disappeared without a trace leaving his wife Chloe and his crumbling fling empire behind but hugh lawn never stay down for long in short order he reappeared in a new city with another new name name and another new religion coming up H- Yulon makes his final transformation and now back up to the story in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight forty three year old Hewlett Mitchell was forced to leave Atlanta after his followers in the modern Christian the church sued him for using church funds to personally enrich himself hugh on abandoned the self aggrandizing persona of Father Michelle in late nineteen nineteen seventy eight and made his way to Orlando Florida. It was here that he started calling himself brother love falling back on the recruitment techniques techniques he had learned from the Nation of Islam Hugh Lon wandered the streets of downtown Orlando trying to attract new followers. Something Hugh Lon hadn't left behind in Atlanta Atlanta was his charisma he quickly gained between fifteen and twenty devotees mostly young women. One of them was a recent divorce say hey named Linda gains eleven years Yulon's junior. Linda was struggling to raise her three kids on her own. After meeting Hugh Lan at a social event she she quickly fell under his spell Linda lighth- Yulon strict moral code unlike her ex husband he didn't drink didn't get high and seemed we do have raised his kids with respect and love although both of them denied their relationship was <unk> movement originating in the late eighteen hundreds the black Hebrew movement preached that the original Hebrews in the Bible were actually black and that black people all were gods true chosen ones in that respect it was similar to the nation of Islam which claims that black people were the original man and were Allah's is chosen people the message of black empowerment appeal to Hugh Lon reflecting back on his childhood. He began to believe that he truly was the burning being Bush be all powerful force that would guide his people to deliverance but in order for Hugh Lawn to reach as many followers as he could. He couldn't stay a in Orlando. Although the city had quickly grown since disneyworld began construction in nineteen sixty five it didn't have a large enough population for hugh lawns purposes purposes but there was a city further to the south. That was absolutely perfect in one thousand nine hundred seventy eight Miami was teeming with would be messiahs. The city was gripped with racial tension it sizeable black community was all but forgotten pushed to the bottom of the societal ladder by the white dominated political system and the quickly growing influence of Cuban Immigrants Hugh Lawn was certain that what he perceived as a downtrodden desperate people would be receptive to his message but he knew it would be a challenge to break into Miami's religious seen if he was going to make an impact he'd need more manpower and there was only one group of people he could trust to follow him into battle his family in early Nineteen seventy-nine forty-three-year-old forty-three-year-old Yulon returned to his hometown of enid Oklahoma but he wasn't going back as Hugh Lon Mitchell he was going as Osmo Shea Israel Hebrew Abreu for brother Moses Israel like Moses H- Yulon was determined to lead his people to deliverance although H- Yulon had enthusiastically preached a Christian message just the year before he now told his family that Black Christians were stuck in mental graves of ignorance but he he had risen from the dead and undertaken a new divine mission as Huron later wrote he believed that a black man that wears a cross awesome planet earth lies and says he loves everybody but he's damnable liar going straight to hell he doesn't love his own black brothers and sisters except to use them and to steal your money. His opinion was informed by experience after all he had done it to his own followers but but now hugh Lon insisted that he had turned over a new leaf he knew that his nascent religious movement wouldn't appeal to everyone in his family least of all all his father who still preached decidedly Christian message to his congregation but Hugh Lawn didn't push the issue instead he started holding daily lectures. Here's our local school sharing his message with anyone who is interested as he had hoped some of his students included he lawns family members his brother Marvin eagerly joined hugh lawns cause as did his sister Jean when Hugh Lan returned to Miami to lay the groundwork for his new movement gene became his ambassador back in eanet by holding classes at her house and distributing hugh lawns literature gene was able to recruit a group of about twenty people willing thing to move to Miami in early nineteen eighty gene and the others packed their belongings and headed for South Florida. Hugh Lawn was already hard it at work recruiting new members to what he called the nation of Y'all way after the Hebrew word for God using select Bible Passages Hugh Lime promise perspective followers that they were gods true chosen people one of his favorites was Daniel seven nine. I beheld till the thrones were cast. Ask Down and the ancient of days did sit whose garment was white as snow and the hair of his head like the pure wool after reading this passage judge Hugh Lawn instructed the people listening to his sermon to run their hands through their thick curly hair. It was just like the woollen hair atop God's own head also liked to cite Genesis fifteen thirteen and he said unto Abraham no of assure T- that by siege shall be a stranger danger in a land that is not theirs and shall serve them and they shall afflict them for four hundred years in Hugh lawns opinion this passage reflected black people struggle as slaves bracketed by first coming to American shores in fifteen fifty five and the birth of the civil rights movement around Nineteen nineteen fifty-five though neither of those dates represents a particularly exact or accurate figure slowly but surely Hugh Lawn gain new followers in Miami at first he only asked them to contribute ten percent of their wages so the nation of Galway could help the black community at large there was no sense that the money going anywhere but to charitable causes in addition to preaching the inherent divinity of black people H- Yulon used current events to argue a wide ranging conspiracy against the black population of America Miami was particularly bad in September nineteen seventy-nine alight off duty police officer fatally shot a young black man who had stopped to urinate on the street instead of facing punishment. The officer received a merit pay increase but nothing compared to the Arthur mcduffie case in late nineteen seventy nine the police pursued a black insurance insurance salesman named Arthur mcduffie after he fled a minor traffic violation. Eventually the police caught up to him somewhere between six and twelve officers officers viciously beat mcduffie with heavy flashlights. He died from the beating but instead of coming clean the officers tried to make it seem seem like mcduffie had died in a motorcycle accident however when the coroner's report came in it was obvious what had really killed him. Four of the police officers were arrested rested and charged with murder with the trial date set for May of nineteen eighty hugh on us the publicity from the case to attract new followers as interest in his movement grew Hugh Lawn was finally able to establish a base of operations at the Joseph Caleb Center in Miami's predominantly black liberty ready city neighborhood. He held meetings every Wednesday night and Saturday morning the center boasted a thousand seat auditorium a library of Black History Archive Room of food stamp office and classrooms in May of nineteen eighty around fifty a few lawns followers gathered the Joseph Caleb Center her to watch the Arthur mcduffie trial unfold hugh lon predicted that the all white jury would exonerate the four police officers tragically he was right the not guilty verdict was delivered on May Seventeenth nineteen eighty at two forty five pm by five PM. Angry groups threw rocks and bottles at police officers in Liberty City. The first fatality occurred around six P._M.. When a mob killed a white vagrant by eight P._M.? Buildings on fire and the riots rage throughout Miami's black neighborhoods the violence lasted for over three days but it as a city mourned Xuan celebrated while he wasn't encouraging his followers to participate in the riots he capitalized on the racial tension to attract attention to his movement newcomers flooded his services eager to hear his message of black power and white injustice hugh long promised them that they would do in time. God would strike down the evil white man and the chosen people of the nation of Galway would inherit a new paradise ice on Earth Hugh lawns belief that he and he alone could lead his followers to salvation was indicative of what psychologists have termed the Messiah Complex Complex as described by clinical psychologist Stephen a diamond p._H._d.. People who suffer from this complex believe they can save people from existential existential aloneness freedom anxiety responsibility to think for ourselves and decide on our own behavior and provide hope and meaning to counteract our lack of purpose in life and despair as their divine leader Hugh Lon urged his growing flock to band together he encouraged them to pull pull their resources and separate themselves from the evils of white society. They were all too eager to obey him. Once again. Hugh Lon had successfully early amassed a base of loyal followers who would carry out his every order he'd learned from his past mistakes. He wouldn't alienate them by living extravagantly extravagantly rather than promising individual wealth he urged his followers to enrich the black community as a whole and they idolized him for it but being a revered figure in Miami's black community wasn't enough Hugh Lon wanted more he wanted his people to see see him for what he truly believed. He was a god thanks again for tuning into cults. We'll be back with part two on the nation of Y'all way next is Tuesday as the movement grew Hugh Lawn became more and more convinced of his own divinity but as his iron grip over his followers tightened he he had to resort to increasingly violent tactics to keep his empire intact for more information on the nation of Galway amongst the many sources we used we we found Sydney p Friedberg facebook brother love murder money and Messiah extremely helpful to our research and as always you can find more episodes of cults. It's as well as all of our casts other shows on spotify or your favorite podcast directory civil view of asked how to help us if you enjoy the show the best way to help is to leave a five Star Review and Oh forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you next time. 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"Hi there Jenny. Falkiner welcome to another episode of Run pod in look down and I say that because we're still very much maintaining social distance and whom as we try to deal with corona virus and with this global pandemic? We've seen so many incredible. Sporting events postponed canceled this year from the Olympics to Wimbledon and of course as runners. We're all very aware that many events for us if being affected too Park runs gone on hold. Many races have been canceled or perspire until later in the year. Now one of those races is the London marathon. The biggest annual one day fundraising event in the world. Last year over sixty six million pounds was raised charity on twenty twenty the fortieth anniversary expectations. Were this figure would be surpassed neither event which sees well over four thousand people run through. The capital has not being scheduled to take place on a tour the fourth instead of the original day of the end of April. However there are plans to still do something very special on April. The twenty six to make sure that the key undressing still takes place and to talk about this. Well I'm honored to be joined today by race director of the London Marathon. It's Mr Hugh Brazier Hugh. Welcome back to run pot. Because last time you were on here it was just before London. Marathon Twenty nineteen so things are very different this time round. They certainly all yet. Normally this time of the year we will be leading the vans ready to go to. Xl which is Now the Nightingale Hospital ready to to the running together in order to welcome forty five thousand runners. Who WOULD BE DOING THE LONDON? Marathon on the twenty sixth of April but Absolutely you say it's a different world and the event is now postponed until the fourth of October. Yeah I mean this. This is probably a very stupid question here but I'm assuming it's no easy to shift the date of the London marathon. No it's IT'S. It's not an easy but we had amazing support from the mayor's office and all the barriers. The role talks emergency services that they the London. Madison has been become part of Britain's sporting heritage's heritage before more than that it's it's cultural heritage a morning the work that the Ranas do in raising funds for charities charities at the moment A really going through Time in recent researches said that one third of small charities are probably will not survive the next three to six months and London. Marathon is the world's biggest Daniel one day fundraising events sixty six point. Full million pounds was raised last year and over a billion pounds since its inception Along with other mass participation events in an eventual round of Britain obviously the world as well put a real strain on on those charity so Yeah it's not easy to to to to to move the date but the support that we got because of the Maratha does I think but why society was was fantastic and we would. We would delighted that we could say the fourth of October would be awful he thrice. Yes fantastic that you've got that date. I mean we all want the best for the country and we want to make sure everyone stays healthy but certainly so. Many people were devastated. The date had to be changed. Do you know how many people were meant to run the sheer? Yeah we we were looking at a record number we were looking round sort of it was it was gonna be. We thought finish his over. Forty three thousand place to forty four thousand So you know the popularity of the event we have a four hundred. Fifty thousand people apply in six days To run the event so It hugely popular. And it's just such an emotional day journey. The people go on because so many are running for good causes. And how you feel when you're running a marathon in In in terms of twenty six point two miles but but join emotion in the support from from the seven hundred and fifty thousand people that line. The route is is something that we is. Every day people would navigate normally to to experience. But but on that day you will you come get to be on the central to Wimbledon. You get to be in an Wimbley playing the FA Cup final but you will feel as Tolan as high An and as proud as if you were doing those things on on running the marathon. And it's just such an amazing of edgy new for me when I've run and and there are people that are wearing t-shirts seeing her. They're running for Ashley. It's very emotional. Because she sees maybe someone who's lost family member or friend and they're running to raise money in their owner as you see. There are alluded charities that benefit jude. You have any idea how many charities in this country benefit from the London marathon a no we know directly that we work with over two thousand. So that's the ones that we work with but we believe probably double latte successful. Thousands probably a having funds rights Rice for them on the day so it it's over thirty. Three thousand people will be raising money for charity. And that's how you get to these astonishing figures of sixty six point four million and one billion which didn't think it was something that my father would join this late. When they founded the event in one thousand nine hundred one could ever imagined would be part of it they really wanted to inspire people to to get fit and get healthy But this charity fundraising is is really quite incredible Near the costumes that you see a a an amazing as you cite messages of of of the reasons that people are running a seven motive and plus Nolan's and an heartfelt and it really is an incredible you know like here in the UK. We do love a bit of feel good as well and right now I think people are going above and beyond and there's there's this whole kind of mission to raise as much money especially for the NHS right now isn't there. I mean you must be aware of captain told Moore. Oh absolutely absolutely Captain Thomas as done Is Incredible. I mean you you listen to them. He's nine hundred nine years old. He's got his medals on his chest. why he's doing it for the NHS He's doing this every day. The the IT. It's just going credible. Nothing that really is this at the moment. Zeitgeist by mental mice Where we feel trapped and feel helpless and that is something that is What can we do to help? I think I'm raising funds is is something that that that actually I think south wants to do and what we have launched is something called the two point six challenge and the two point six challenges its own or from the twenty sixth of April United. Marathon is twenty six point two miles. But that's not what you should be doing at the moment but the two point six challenges do something with two point six or twenty six in its title do it with activity do it for fun to raise funds for charity or donate to charity on personally doing I've been doing skipping with my with my daughters who are nine and six so my challenges. Twenty six skips a twenty six times with twenty six second recovery between each set of twenty six last exhaust yet thunder. Seventy six skips. Raising money for pancreatic cancer and is going to be doing twenty six backflips into a round off. Something quite show is nine But I think we really do want to do something positive because we fail you know a bit lost in a bit helpless An- An- An- anything that we can do for charity at the moment to show our appreciation ease is definitely what. I think that the country and hopefully they will get behind this two point six challenge on a day that the greatest fundraising events in the world should have been taking place An spot until October. Okay so the twenty sixth of April. The two point six challenge. Anyone can take part absolutely anybody. There's a website Two point six challenge dot co Dot. Uk tonight six days. We've put on there. You could be you know. Just toss a pancake. Twenty six times if you really. Don't care about to shrug your shoulders. Twenty-six Don Programs Ski. She can definitely get involved. Basically there is no excuse. And we've got masses of celebrities. Getting involved influences and the media is really going to get behind. We've launched it today and I really think it's something you know what you're doing posted on social media. Challenge your friends challenges family do it for your course do it because you want to do it I think yeah. I really hope that the country gets blinded that we can be United Kingdom We you know Great Britain. We we care. We have an amazing society that that that I think. Time and time again shows in diversity the best of Britain and we really that what we are doing with this challenge with this sort of virtual events doing love it okay so two point six challenged cu. Uk At go there have a look sign up and Work at what you'RE GONNA do. I love the fact that everyone in anyone can do. And to be honest. You don't have to be doing a running twenty six miles you could. I guess if you want up and down your garden but you can do something. That's more achievable for you. If if you saw one it's a brilliant idea. I'll I'm going to think of what I'm GonNa do and get family involved as well and we all do on the twenty sixth of April and we can share on on social media as well absolutely and you can do it on the two thousand six hundred from the twenty six th. I mean we've got to. We're trying to get two point six million people to do this. And if we get to two point six million people each with a raising twenty six pounds that would be sixty seven point four million pounds donating twenty six pounds. It would be sixty seven point. Four million would beat while the London. Marathon has has raised in any one year And yet it's it's all know from keeps. Keep government social distancing rules going. You can do it in your house. You can do it in your garden. You can do in your apartment where you can do it outside but Just get involved and dumb and have some fun small while you're doing it. Remember the cores that you're doing it four and donate or raise funds but just getting both. Yeah no here. Well well said because sometimes these things you're only doing maybe ten twenty minutes. An hour may be hard exercise. Sometimes when you're raising money which is really not that long compared to someone who might be suffering with illness or something so actually you can keep going for that short period of time. That's what I always think. Absolutely in an especially now with with government you know we shouldn't be exercising more more than an Arrow. We shouldn't be doing anything to tough. You want to keep. Everyone should be keeping their immune systems. The absolute a premium level in. And if you're exercising to exhaustion that is that is no good so absolutely should be doing without doubt with fun and enjoyment. Also the two points as challenge will a brilliant way to encourage people to keep fit in that during look at. What have you been doing to stay fit night at this time? Sadly most much sex should do because the been working sort of eighteen hour days on this two point six challenge with the rest of the mass participation event industry. We came up with the idea this London. Math and team and then all the mass participation event organizers of golf together in an emerging on it but yeah. I've been thinking about skipping trampoline eating a bit of peddling lucky enough to live by the Thames A running and just it small bits doing in moderation keeping the social roles. Just trying to keep my kids in involved in an happy because you mental and physical health is so important the An exercise has been proven to be really beneficial in in in in helping that. So that's what I've been doing. Keep variant ticket idea. That's also you never get bored doing different things all the time. Although in saying that running seems to be more popular than ever and I think it's so accessible you really just need you. The key thing is appear trainers really and was brilliant. Is there are a lot of people who haven't ever really considered roaming are not thinking? You know what I'm going to just try running around the block and they're setting themselves. That will challenges. It's brilliant that that is exactly. It seems to be more people running exercising cycling than ever before. And I think you know so. Many people will realize you are realizing the importance of of our health and that's by society physical mental health and just doing something a little bit of something every day. It doesn't have to be too much. They're absolutely do appear to be more people exercising because they realized that the the Staying fit and healthy will help you to To be in the best shape Should should contract Nineteen and then when we get out of this situation hooked that it's become embedded in in in people's everyday life and and they carry it on and then look to to do for the challenges and look to do the marathon oil the half marathon ten K and really get into the running community which is such a great community so supportive and Can Get such enjoyment out of it. Yeah you're saying I mean if there's lots of people thinking about setting themselves challenge. You never knew hugh there could be even more people. Applying take part in next year is my awesome. Yes I mean we would be delighted but Other people who've been trying for years to the ballot. Mont might be less Saturday but it it. It really is as Such an use that special day. You put your name on your chest and you get chilled from you. Know Twenty six point two miles so it's it. It is the pinnacle I think of of an emotional event but there are other marathons dimensioned. Marathon Brighton Edinburgh. So many Belfast Just get invoked in one unprepared to do that. Distance but begun have funnies is absolutely and joined the community now. You know the elite race for London. Twenty twenty was looking really really good. I mean elites when they're training for an event oversleep they're running a long distance on a regular basis a lot faster than the average person. But do you have any idea how they would be keeping fair? This time is going to be entirely treadmill training. They'll be doing. I think it absolutely depends on on where they are. And you know. So Elliott Kashogi is Is is is normally. He'd been his training camp and running with a big group of other elite Kenyan athletes. He's actually now at his home his mom and going out on his own in terms of of just dialing down the distance a bit Not doing the the such intensity so I think that that that it is is difficult. Because no one really knows when you're GONNA come out of it but but you just go to the nuke after yourself Kathy. A family and be aware of what other people might or might not be doing. So you can't control what someone else is doing. Which is why it is important. That you keep the sexual distancing roles and an exercise On on on your own but we as you said we had the best field I think in the history of any marathon in ever we had project coast guy who smashed Puerto reckless will record elegant. Jogi Kenenisa Bikila whose only two seconds behind Elliott in with the second time ever Manuela Shaw will record holder in in in wheelchair van. Dyke's will record in the men's will just old well current World Record Otis in one event and I don't believe in the history of the marathon. That's ever happened before so. Hopefully we'll get as many of that elite Phil back on the the fourth of October and see some some stunning performances. Yeah I would love to see that. Can I say? Is it the first time ever the London? Madison's being held in the latter part of the year is absolutely the first time. The marathon has been postponed or happened in in in the latter off the air. And when we were looking at at the whole one of the things that surprised us we were looking at dates. What's going on in London? What was what was happening. One of the things that really surprised. certainly may was daylight talents. And you know I was thinking was had timber. won't be much different to April now. It's very different So far less daylight hours and so some of the Times that we were looking at an even later October you just could not do. It really would have been dot too many people in so yes. It is the first time. How could I never even considered the daily? I was thinking that maybe the temperature would change little Ashley. The temperature could be pretty similar. I guess yeah we it's temperature. The temperature is good. We're looking at rainfall rainfall. It's it's slightly more likely to to to to rein in in October than it is in in April But yeah it was it. Was that Deloitte Towers. The biggest surprise we we were involved in the organization team. London mass events was behind lake. Dougie's one fifty nine eventing numb in Vienna rent and we scoping out the all the different courses and looking at a weather conditions around the world for that challenge so We know temperatures is one of the biggest inhibited. A high temperatures. One of the biggest inhibitors to performance and naturally doesn't even need to be that high You know having a temperature of of Temperature of around even six to eleven degrees nine to eleven is absolutely perfect and that that was something that surprised us when when how important it was to elite performance when we were involved in that challenge he cut so you actually chose Vienna specifically with all those l. I felt that Vienna was was just where it was taking place. It was chosen for that reason as well. Myriad of reasons it was at the Time Zion from from Kenya was propensity to an international airport. The number of people being able to travel that it was the egg quality. It was the temperature. It was the the the the route that we chose had full tree. Cover all the way through. It had floodlights over the full. Full point tally in in in Vienna beautiful city. One of the the comes as one of the best places to live in the world and had a real amazing sporting heritage. The is unethical. Track halfway down the track. Hits US For running into Central Park in New York for those of who have run their it sort of the place that everyone goes in Vienna. So yeah lots of different reasons that we were looking at that and and it certainly wasn't just because it was Vienna. I mean Warren inspiring event. I remember what she and just filling with tears. Actually at the end of can't imagine what it must've been like to be there as well as the atmosphere just incredible. It was the culmination it was a again. It's a bit like two point six. Challenge where we've been putting things together incredibly quickly. This we were part of a wide team with with Ti mini allstate. Brielle's foot was was Inaugural charge and we would say in operational side of it. You had a ballantyne trial. Who was in charge of the Athlete Side Pacemakers? The emotion of of inner six months of incredibly intense were conference Coz at midnight. One of them was four hours long. Just going on in terms of the level of detail of Organization the pacemakers the forty pacemakers for around the world record. We get the level of detail on the hydration and how pacemakers were being rotated through Car and Neil Thomas. Driving you know that call could could could be driven point. One of a meter per second. Accuracy went on that it was. It was a great project to be involved in an Dave residents said today browse but let it. Amazing late in the teamwork was fantastic. An emotion in in the control remain. People were in tears Just grown men with just their vision is one hulk of a man who who Just was in floods of teaser. Wat- Elliot had done which was so incredible. Do you think that will ever be something that he could achieve on the London Writ yes? I'll relay do you think is I think it it it depends on on the weather is is hugely important as what is in terms of of of earlier think wind direction can can really help. So I I do think Elliot can can can run under two hours on on the right conditions on the right course I mean. Obviously there's the Berlin marathon course that is faster than London. Probably about forty five seconds quicker on the sort of analysis that we've done But absolutely I do believe it is in. We thought it was going to be amazing this year with with Elliott against Kennedy Sir. And and you did the other athletes the second and third from from from last year it was truly truly a stunning failed in and dictate the weather in Vienna. We could we add fourteen thirteen different days that we had that event we had a lie tells book to everything book to to to to do it on. We were looking at a weather. Forecasting out whereas the marathons taking place London. Math Virtue Moneylender. Massenet's home one day. And you just take the weather for what it is but I do think he can do it and in the future. I'm sure there will be another athlete. That Canon no Kenenisa thinks he can. I honestly can't imagine running fast. It is just inspiring and amazing to watch as well and it doesn't look at their fool out sprinting when you watch them on the TV but if you see them go past you my goodness you only see them for a nanosecond. It's incredible I mean that's the bit you you you watch them and they look like they're gliding they look like there is no effort at all and yet you try you go running next to him and and you can't keep up. It's I would say to people go to four hundred meter track in time. It run round it forced as you can as fast as you can and see how long it takes you Elliot will do it in sixty seconds. And he'll do one hundred and five of those back to back with not a single recovery. And I doubt many of your listeners will be able to even do one in sixty eight seconds. If they can the number that can do to sixty seconds Will drop a exponentially the number that try three and sixty eight seconds will be no more than a handful. I would imagine. Yeah I mean even trying to maintain that piece on a treadmill for twenty seconds is hard enough and they do it for the entire duration. It's insane I mean that's that's why they are up the front of the race quite clearly and it's going to be an amazing event. I'm really looking forward to it. I'm ever the optimist. I'm I'm very much looking forward to and I'm hoping that we do get to do some significant training sooner rather than later but Hughes things aren't back to normal. Is there a chance October? The fourth might have to be reviewed. I mean we are so focused on October. The fourth at the moment and coming up with multiple different scenarios to to enable it to happen. And we're talking with pot of Abbott with math majors and I was on a coal with the race director of Berlin Boston tokyo-chicago on a Monday. We're getting old wait. We're having a Colin a few weeks time just To to look at all the best practices of what we do with social distancing and so we focused on the of October. We plan numerous different things and But we just really all fight custodian on the full happening at the moment is great to know that and this is something that everyone taking part is fully focused on as well so let that all goes to plan as well and Michael to say the London. Marathon must be something that's so incredibly for you must be so you must be so incredibly proud to have this incredible race on your doorstep as well. What are you most proud of with Linda? Marathon difficult question interesting question. One of the most proud of I think how it since spot activity and made something that is is a quite simply inciting running twenty six point two miles accessible to everybody and that it is a Tasked to do it but it is something that the that people can get involved in. Do get invoked in a wider group as a tea stall in the work in London. Marathon events in what we are committed to doing is is inspiring activity across all ages. Were involved with Daddy Mal and getting it into schools across London. We're really trying to to promote exercise across across all areas of society because of the importance to physical and mental health in that mental health compensation the conductors of Cambridge in in in the in the London marathon in twenty seventeen. I think it was using that as the the sort of the end points of that campaign to raise people's awareness of what a mental health on us. There are so many stories and things that I'm proud of. Just the fact united something that my father in John Disley co-founded SOS from a family. Point of view You know I don't think I could be proud. And he was an amazing athletes. He won Olympic Gold Medal. But what he will be remembered for more than anything else is founding. This CO founding this incredibly inspiring activity in an event that is now part of Britain's heritage cultural and sporting. Yeah absolutely and then remind me when it is again that you're next thing. I knew that you're building up. Yeah it's one the longest buildups anyone's now. I'm doing it for the twenty thirty. The twenty thirty event which will be the fiftieth London. Marathon will be sixty five so Yeah Cook a long run into this. He said he got good training. Plan their Italian and Hebrew. Your thank you so much for coming in chatting timmy. Today we've got. We've got the London. Marathon obviously Tober Fourth. But before that please do get involved in the two point six challenge two point six challenge dot Ku dot UK at Hughes Ding skipping. Which has will be exhausting. I'm sure how many skips until six hundred seventy six skips and I promise you my heart right we'll be going through the roof and it is exhausting and my hand eye coordination. I'm sure we'll have disappeared all right. Well good luck with that and good luck to you. Wherever is you decide to do. And thank you so much for coming on one pod yet again. We'll see very soon. Thank you Jenny. And keep keep safe keep well and the same to all the listens.

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"This is the adults and podcast. I'm Matt Harrigan I'm at stupid buddy studios in Burbank. California home of robot chicken. We've been talking to the cast and crew all the people who make the show today writer. Hugh David he's written for a lot of crazy shows isn't it. Tell us all about it. I think being with Mike Tyson sets a different tone being with Mike Laszlo roof potent figure what are the what are the similarities their idiosyncratic. Oh yeah kind of signature people. Yeah you Kinda. I think they're one you kind of want to think they're one thing and then there's going to be something that is confusing an element that doesn't square with other parts arts and then you're like what and then you're just confused. What was your first Running with Mike Tyson her end. I'm shocked you earn this. Yes it was. When we CA- someone you didn't go you? You didn't go to that thing. The thing where we shot at his house no go to. Somebody went could that have been Walter. Maybe it was wall. Yeah That's when we got. This is the first time we get there five in the morning. Shoot in the morning. We're cartoon that's barely a cartoon that was then wanting to live action and of course we're incompetent at it and then we arrive there with. I've written massive monologues for Mike Tyson. Like like soliloquies. Not having any idea he he's not gonna be able to do these and we get there. It's one hundred and five degrees at five fifteen in the morning. It's dark and it's one hundred five degrees and this is in Las Vegas Las Vegas. It is home. We're going to shoot exterior. We're GONNA shoot him. Outside wearing sweatsuits is the plan and having a bunch of stuff that will book in the show. The show is supposed to only only have live. Action wraparound yes. kind of like a car not fat Albert Albert and everyone just assumed Mike Tyson can do this so we get there. The wife answers the door and five in the morning when he very angry. Are you nervous about ring. My Tyson's five in the morning. Yes because it just looks like a fucking housewife. And why why are you there at five and why is that. They're not someone opening the door and meeting us like nothing approaching a house and she answers the door. She's very very angry with Mike who she says has last night betrayed her trust and he was in the club's doing Lord knows what and she's very very very upset and that was the beginning of the day it was that's five. Am We shot all day. That was also. He was sweating so much. And then I watch at this local makeup artist. Take Men's Mitchum antiperspirant deodorant and rub it on his forehead and then we said action like like different sweating. She used underarm deodorant. I met you think in two thousand eight when we were shooting young person's guide to history. Maybe just before that when you're doing and saw the moment yeah all the good old days. Yeah that was the best Saul Saul was the best because I felt like I was just a writer on on that I was just a writer I had done. I had ironically auditioned for the role of saw like a year before uh-huh and I believed I had gotten the part Craig. The the the Creator told me flat out of his. He's like you're it and then it said it had to go to network for approval. Well well then I didn't get it 'cause I guess. Lhasa thought I was not the character. Like they wanted to be like like a like a Schmo guys like a a dope. Josh gu-guy but wasn't cutting I'm not a cool guy kind of a cool. I'm a crazy and then like so it's frustrating and then I then I was on the writing. Staff and Josh Gardner was him and I love Josh. Makes me laugh. Josh's crazy and the writing of that was the funniest thing thing in the world. It was like that and to me reminded me of like the same experience. When you're doing something in it's crazy and underfunded which you guys must have the whole of the beginning of adult swim from what I've read was guys experience? Yeah craziest senior funded. Yeah but it was cool. It was like it seemed you at least thought this is cool and and fun to do. You're here in this building Stephen Buddies because you're you're first writing job was on robot chicken. Yes they brought you back for the special chill that they're writing now. Yes and tell us how you got involved with robot chicken. Seth had been in those Mike. I Myers Moves The spy often Austin powers movies and the Frau Bisa is the actress. Mindy Sterling Rolling Mindy was like teacher growlings and was in the main company when I first started growling. groundlings Improv growlings Improv local. La Theater and she. Evidently Seth was putting together the against the writing staff and she said Oh I think groundlings people would I guess. She said they'd be good for this. It's sketch and they do sketch. And so he came to see a show. An improv show and I was in it coincidentally Eddie Izzard in that show but the show is very funny property izard and then Seth came up to me afterwards and he was like. Oh I would you come in and interview and I was. I was very excited. I did at the time. Think going to be an actor. I had no thought of being a writer weirdly. But as a improv person you write for yourself yes and even at growlings as you write your own sketches. So you're like you are grooming yourself at the worst to be a sketch writer. But I came into. I had a packet of sketches and gave them and then I remember very vividly. Doug Goldstein has one of the head writers at the time now still is i. Guess I don't know where he is his official title. Doug he's very blunt and you'd say impolitic but he said after eating one of my sketches. This is not funny at all. which seemed unnecessary? Could've you could've said it's very funny. Bert were not hiring and maybe worse he said it's not funny at all and then they hired me it made no sense mixed message. Yes but I very sketchy it was one of the sketches identity groundlings and I would. It would do great every weekend. It was about John Ironically. Klay even though there's like twenty years ago it was about John Bolton who is currently the but is he the National Security Advisor Twenty years ago. You're reading John Bolton's John Bolton because he was in the UN he was appointed to the UN bye. Bye Bush Bush. The son wasn't niche. Yes comedy but no one new who he was but he had he had these hilarious quotes he said he wanted to bomb the UN. He was very funny. Seem to me. It seemed like a funny guy. He's in the big now. It's not it's not anymore. People think so. You wrote a John. Bolton Sketch Goldstein said. It was terrible. Yes they hired me and then I read like a dream weird. And then I struggled I with the shortness of sketches brevity. That they were going for your. You're at long I I'm a dully paste fellow and I think even like groundlings people think I go too slow so I let alone on a show that prides itself on these ten seconds things It was a it seemed like a bad match but but I think I I was different and they found a way to make make Mike Sketches would get in I think they 'cause they're a little dylan. The different side and I don't know shit about pop culture. I'm older crucially older than Matt. And Seth and and my touchstones and memories are not quite there as I was like I feel like none of toys. They were into none of the the movies really were. We're I just been a little bit too old. So you're writing long long winded on winded unfunny catches about obscure political figures. Yeah I knew nothing about the references that they were right. I should've been a robot chicken failure but for some reason I'm I'm I I don't know what the hell it is. What do you think it was? I don't know I think I think I think I make Tom Laugh. And and Tom Helps meet figure out how to get my sketches to work on the show. Do you remember your first sketch that got in. Yeah it was like a it was a song and that's another thing I don't sing at all but for some reason I've written like four songs on robot chicken but The song it was it was about that. Legend Urban Legend in New York. Where like if a person falls and gets trapped between the subway subway and the subway platform and then their body is like somehow mushed and then they're alive fully exit create some fantasy Turner Kit and they're perfectly take time but if they pull the train away instant death so then I had my stay there and he he he? He lives out the rest of his long life breath and the he had a long happy life but but also my added thing was he didn't like his job so either though he should've had a different attitude not assume disconnected from the transformers. Yes yes yes I kind of thing and the worst part is all those songs that I've written for them because at some point had to email them. IPHONES are so you know dastardly there in my tunes so occasionally in my car if I plus shuffle I can hear my own stupid voice singing a song on robot chicken. Wow every once in a while like one and three hundred and no songs made it onto the show. They did that. One did head and petroleum p played a dinosaur. People want to know Howie Tower. Works like how how to stop the stop. Motion part is actually so fantastic. It's a it's like candy to me DO I. So get it It's appeal because there's something magical about watching these stupid dolls And I even I've written a sketch for star Star Wars and it was about the Wamba. Yeah and it was like Glueck pulls into a gas station and his swing fighter. I decided they gas stations and then like the womp there and the is like he's having a shitty life ever since his arms cut off and like he he parks on the wrong side of the thing. The gas tank is on the run A- and then he drives around to the other side and then he drops his keys and he has trouble with the gas. 'cause he has one arm it's also hard. Life is so hard and Luke's is just watching it. It and he feels so bad about what happened. And that that Chris McKay directed that one I think. Are you a star wars fan. I like star wars or peer pressure. Star here is there and and certainly know what the fuck you're talking about. You know the names of all the little animals and shit. No I was going through empire strikes back but even the third one I was like they seem so stupid. Though e walks I was like oh you lost the plot I love the I two though. But then there's like six more now. There's all these other fucking these other things you have to pretend to to like star wars. No I I think what ended up happening. Thank God is there was no hiding my ignorance. They the robot chicken guys have decided to think. It's funny that I don't know stuff and so now it's at least are on the table and they just laugh so now it's like I'm the old the old man who doesn't know it. He doesn't know any references now. The old man on the staff Jesus like there so they don't work at all. None of it works. I don't and have any John Bolton's very proud. That did come back in I did. He didn't occupy space in the public sphere later on in life. But you know I'm always either way ahead of my time in a useless way or it's something they just don't they don't get there. They're like what is this what we have have no reason for this so you started on the show. Yeah at the beginning of the show. Yes and then you were there for how long I breath well. It was unclear to me how they really worked. I think I was in the early days to me. I was like a robot. Chicken regular writer. In point of fact I think they hired lots the people in between I would work for like six weeks a year and then another year would pass and get it back invited back to robot chicken and do another six weeks so you get invited in. Do you feel like you'd have to prepare Get yourself up to date with not really because I found. I found a technique that works for me. What was that the man Seth in their desperation to to fill the shows goes with the garbage? They put the shows. They would have a dry erase board and on this address for the be all these stupid titles of of movies pop culture crap and toys that they loved so I could sit there and look at the list look it up go straight to wikipedia find out what it was and like if actually there's a sort of interesting story so how long were you there before you bailed on chicken. I think I would always due robot chicken. I did the Star Wars specials. I did the DC specials I did a Batmans in DC on the DC special. The song is called sailing. I just thought it was funny because green lantern who like if they go into space greenland would always have to do is ring for Batman and the and the people that couldn't travel in space and it looks so embarrassing. Like their the way they got to the bat interstellar battle embarrassing and I thought that so my idea for the the sketch was Batman. Talk to him about a different vehicle. Could he choose a different vehicle than just this. Fear the green sphere and he chose a sailboat. And then I kinda. I tried to write a rocky song that was about sailing and he just relaxed mood. So you didn't really bail you. Just do it whenever I can whenever you could something yes. And then what came next stumbled onto Meiteis so then after this is all before saul no Saul Saul is after robot chicken maybe the first or second writing job Robusta Cycle they call them here for like six weeks. Then I wrote on Sol then. I acted on salt when we shot and I played one of the people suit in the outfits. Listen I was in one of those outfits for about three hours. It's something else I was. It was terrible I was in it the whole time but I was like I was having in such a fun time and I really thought it was like could potentially be something then. We would get the scripts. I kinda thought like I think we we blew it but scripts erupts. Yeah there's too much there's too much too much story that no one cared about too much plot that you had to kind of follow and then you weren't really following like he didn't stay simple enough. I think I think you've got to to fucking crazy collapsed on. It's all. Yeah I think so but I had such a fun time acting. It was very fun and then did you play. I played a budget. I played Bertram. Who was like a guy in a moment so I was in that big with the fake? Oh by the way at this point in time I believe in Hollywood proper Hollywood. They have things called fat suits Well our production did not. We had a thing called a beanbag chair which was like taped to me to create fat. So yeah it was like worse though. It's a low budget fads. It really was and then then I played a guy named the senior Baltimore which was just like a Mustache Guy I don't remember what he was about. And then I I played Thomas Jefferson and then supposedly Mike Laszlo liked that and I came back to me. I heard that that the that the adult swim brass which you might have been apart. They were like that's the show. That's the show. Yeah the Thomas Jefferson so then I thought Oh my God. I'm finally being recognized. I'm going to be the star of the spin up and I thought this will work so well and then that proceeded to be just like a car wreck young. A young person's guide to history watched. I watched a little bit of one because I had to put together a real for something acting real three years ago ago and I watched a little bit of it and I've found parts of it amusing But not the whole it seemed like a way worse version and drunk history history. It's I think it's like two people wanted to do a thing about history and one person did it in a funny way and we did it in unfunny. Well you know that You play the role of Thomas is Jefferson completely inspired Amilton yeah PROB-. Yeah no he's he's been on the record the lin-manuel wow. He saw that show and he was like it. There is a there's a I have an idea. There's a spark here. They've just missed it. They're just missed it but there's something here. It's like that van Dan. That didn't that didn't know whether there's a band that recorded the song so much like stairway to heaven and they're mad but it's like you missed it. We could sue them. Yeah that's new lin-manuel around that was young person's guide to history. I remember started out as a longer series of episodes. They got condensed down to two. Yes one would say almost punitively distilled punitively. I wish you could read my scripts from that area though. I think you'd like them a lot of Interesting people in those episodes. Yeah Yeah We'll we'll character a bit because I knew all those groundings people and Michaela Watkins Kahlo is in it. Patterson on richest gemstones now she was in it correct bridesmaids with Kristen. Wig was in it Who Else Larry was hilarious and gone on anything? Anything famous for the Great Larry Door. Yeah he did but he did the thing where they dressed as a woman in the talk show for you guys. Oh yeah terrible or a funny It was it had some funny parts to it. It was it was Peculiar yeah it was Addition for that yeah and I went in with two other. People felt like one of those additions like commercial. Auditions are like this. And it's like you know. Just weird people off the street. You're in a room with suddenly you're going to improvise with them and you can just tell they are so desperate to talk that you a normal human will just give up and just sink inside themselves which I did I just I gave up. They were They had some hot takes fighting to express them. Yes yeah ask Yuppie broads that's good people on it. Yeah Yeah Tommy Blocher earthquake. Didn't Tommy do something on young one person's guide. Did he play. Something needed one thing to pop through that. So Seth Green been on south. Yeah did he wipe the bugger. Duggar on the curtain. Now maybe I feel like that. Maybe now's at that show is fraught with peril. But you know what came out of that also was Dave Dave Willis Did a young persons are for. Yeah yeah so it was a real incubator. uh-huh yeah a lot of the lot of great great ideas. They just didn't get they didn't coalesce not for young head of time and a good title young person's guide to history. We didn't do much with it though. Yeah we set the network back a bit there so I think yeah I saw that one away I feel I feel a little responsible and what happened. Then after that we got Peter Girardi looking as wounds took a job as a chastened he took a job at Warner Brothers animation where he works as a as a executive. Yeah then Peter Hired me to come in and do a brainstorming session about what to do with looney tunes and it was like me and Steve Little and some of those little crew. Steve was in young persons And we we said the only thought right I really had at the time was well. I've written all these sketches for both robot chicken and groundlings. I'm sitting on a treasure trove of written material. Not No not at all but I thought we could. We should do. The looney tunes is pitch it as the version of the muppet show. So it's like a sketch show and then make like the the muppet whatever the fuck. They're called the looney tunes. Do the same thing like kermit used to do like bugs can put on a hat and be news manners. Whatever I don't know what the idea and then and so? We started down that road. They loved it. We started down that road who loved it The CNN Peter. I think Warner Brothers. uh-huh yeah but then crucially someone higher are up at Warner Brothers swooped in Peter off and he was like this is not the bugs bunny I know and he was all we had to start over but then the great thing about it was. We ended up writing a Sitcom basically with bugs and daffy living in a house together it was very like the odd couple and it was very very very fun to write. Kristen wig played Lola. Bunny Fred Arniston played speedy Gonzales. We got some of some are funny friends to be on it. Did you feel responsibility instability. Messing around with bugs bunny now. I didn't give share. Because it's like they. They had already done but people already ruined it. That's what they always say they're like they're like these are the crown on jewels. But guess what does the Crown Jewels. They have parking signs in their parking garages. We'd like bugs bunny wearing a hard hat pointing in saying sorry. Farrah Dust Doc. It's like they've already fucking ruined him. The poor bastard is being ruined every day so there we weren't going to ruin their the great cartoons enes exists go there is no solemnity no no so you so that was fun. We wrote two seasons of a half hour Sitcom and really basically it was called the looney tunes show unmemorable title but It basically was a great writing Testing ground because like you now if you right in the real world of comedy live action. You're not gonNA write so many scripts you're GonNa be on the staff you're gonNA write like me one a season you're punching up. You're sitting in a room all day for this. We got to write fifty episodes by ourselves. And it's I that's it was huge. The amount of volume that we he wrote the episodes. Yeah Yeah it was to Caesar as technically fifty two but for some reason we quit before because because maybe Mike Tyson had come along and they wanted us on that. And Warner Brothers is like we're done with the looney tunes show. The kids don't like it and the kids couldn't they would. They would never like it. Made Him cry. We wrote it was such an adult show. We just had bugs daffy sitting in coffee shops but like we wrote it to amuse ourselves sadly But it was still a great experience and then I could have done better if it had a laugh. Track needed to tell the kids what was funny. The kids can't figure that around other kids. Yeah so it's like when they watch Disney live action nightmares. Those those horrible things they they have the fake laugh thing going all the time time. Yeah it's like they need to beat into another otherwise I think daffy duck is mean. They didn't know they could laugh at him. Here's me it's true. Here's need five real life. Heroes Meet Five. all-star adults watch brand new episodes of be real every Monday starting November eighteen only reporter You're sitting there at Warner brothers. Yeah in an office and the phone rings. No Sam Peter Comes. In and Peter was he was given a mandate to start going down the path of trying to get into adult comedy for Warner Brothers and then he comes the Ozzy's like we have this thing with Mike Tyson and so they already had a sizzle reel. which was Mike Tyson Andrew dice clay? I believe was in it. And maybe it was like Some old PANAPA Ribeira characters would pop up so and then I was like you know. Tyson had appeared in the hangover which I thought that looked very funny to me. I didn't see people haven't seen the hangover. He at least that looked like good use of Mike Tyson. But by the time we were GONNA use it I was like this is lane lane. The it didn't seem funny to me and so I was already to tell Peter no and I did and then because I was like the first time I had turned down a job Bob and then Peter goes please and then I say yes. Wow I was real push. Oh yeah that was easy yes but then it became fun because I did right. I wrote like I five outlines for the first five episodes again just like thinking. This is what I would do to make this funny if you like it. Great if you don't like it I don't care I'm gone and and then lezo liked it He he must have seen the outlines and he liked it and we went into production and then it became Super Fun to work John once we got the cast in place and it's really is very fun to work on and I I find it very funny. I mean it's like it hasn't been McDonald. Who wouldn't laugh at McDonald? You'd have to be crazy. Yeah so you wrote some outlines laser light that you started writing scripts and then then so I guess we'd probably written like five scripts before that fateful encounter with Mike Tyson at his house at five in the morning. I'd never because we were recording any of them yet. We were just writing. A maybe proof of of concepts guests staff wrote half dozen scripts. Yeah Yeah I think that's right and then it was time like okay. Well we can really do this. That's record so you got news that it had been an ordered. Yeah and then you have to go record Mike House in Vegas. Yeah that was the shocker. But then from then on he became it became fun and I love of Mike Tyson. It'd be I would be one of those people if Mike Tyson goes crazy. And he like King Kong murders a bunch of people And takes you know goes goes crazy with his fist full of unbridled anger like the hulk. If that happens I would be one of those jobs on the local news saying. That's not the Mike like I know. What is it about him that I don't? He seems like he seems like so not like an athlete. Like I feel like you. You'd think of these ex-professional athletes and in a they want to still be. And I don't know that many I feel like I just seeing interviews. They look like they still expect and want you to think there that still that athletes and their Mike Tyson. It seems like no part of him. Identifies with being a boxer or an athlete. He just seems like This this person and he has kind of a fun affect about him. It's like it's like he makes no sense to me. He comes off nerdy and nice and sweet and he's got. He's kind of sensitive while at the same time being very insensitive. He doesn't notice Shit But like he'll he'll say he says thank you to the people in the gentlest way. He'll take a picture with anyone he he he's he seems like I don't know he had a transformation. How yeah how? How does that square with his general perception with his history? I know you know it's like if you if you walk around with him like the few times have been. Oh one time we were in a New York comic con and it seemed like a fight almost happened with the guys from What has been the Boondocks is the guy the Guy Michael Jai White? Yeah he's like a big fighting guy right. I'm not sure I think he is. I think he's like a Whatever you call it Martin mixed martial loss and he's an actor and and crucially? He seems to have portrayed Mike Tyson and the Mike Tyson unauthorized story that aired on like ABC ladies throw walking down a hallway. The Mike Tyson crew and the boondocks career whatever's walking the other fucking way and it was Li- it it seemed like the sharks and the jets. Except who cares about the rest of the fucking cartoon nerds on either team. It's just this one big guy and then Mike Tyson Jason and then it got so weird and the Guy Tommy Davidson the comedian on Boondocks. He seemed to try to defuse. I use it. He did the COMEDIANS role. He was like you know. Let's make it funny. Let's take down the temperature. And then he was traveling and that did not work at all and I feel like at one point. He was Mike. Tyson sort of gently moved him to the side and it was like a chest to chest yet and then my wife Rachel at the time is like oh she was wanting to it was like we gotta get the Fuck Outta here. We're all going to be beaten to a pulp and tornado like that. This is about to get and then like somehow Mike. I don't know what happened. You could barely hear them. He was I think he was angry that that this guy had portrayed them in a bad light yeah and then I think this guy I was like tough to didn't want to back down probably wasn't this guy's fall so as I just one of those things so what happened kind of nothing. It was a lot of heart's racing. Yeah you know you thought that maybe this was going to be. That could be a snap of our show is going to end here in the right in the moment. Wow now and that was before it aired. And you've moved on moved on down the hall. Yeah wow you went on down the hall. How has the perception of the show Benefa- people been responsive Syrup You know it's funny. It's like all adult swim shows. I'm old enough that I don't know any person that barely even knows what adult swim is. So you know what it's like a younger audience so young people. I'm sure love it. I don't mix with any of those people so I don't know mix solo now. I'm our age and older. Do Young people know Mike Tyson. I don't I don't I think if anything they just think he's like a character on a show now I don't think any of them know about the show. Yeah they they probably get confused. George Foreman I don't think there's any real you know censor who was just a A character yeah. He's a toothless lion. That's what he called himself. He was like. Oh we're trying to get a vendor Holyfield for one thing And of Andrew Holyfield was like holding out for a million dollars or something because he felt like to do a voice he should be paid like a boxing match. And then it was like Alexandra and then Mike was Mike. Tyson was actually being very funny. But he's he's like I told the Vander Vander. We're all lions man. We don't get our teeth anymore. We we gotta just do we got to just live our lives man and then then Mike is like laughing. He's like oh these old boxers they always want a lot of money and then we just the deal. He'll never happen so we didn't write a thing with the manner holyfield which was just as well because no one in the audience gives shit about of Holyfield. How about norm norms? The funniest person. I think he's the funniest person on earth. I thought that when I was you know younger norm MacDonald. How did he come into the show he just you know weirdly the Peter had worked with Peter Girardi had worked with Some of the people norm nixes with particularly the guy who played saul and solve the Moolman. Josh Gardner Josh Gardner. Who I though? Because he's the first cousin of another ground guy of my era nat faxon and Nat faxon and Jim rash or writing partners. They they like Oscar winners. They re they won an Oscar for the descendants. But they're they're both very sketch comedy kind of guys and Jim rash at that point had become also the dean on community and then was on our show. But Josh Gardner whose Nats First Cousin was norms opener on many tours for stand up so there was this connection to josh to norm through Josh that Peter when he called and we offered him the role of pigeon I think he was receptive that he otherwise might not have been because of that. Little Bit of familiarity with Peter a little bit a shorthand and then he came in and my God. He did the funniest thing the first first time nor did not want to do his normal voice on the show so he came in and he did a thing. That was making me laugh so hard because but but that's a problem if you think someone's so funny everything you do you think is they. Do you think it's fine. But he was basically doing his impression of Sterling Hayden The Guy in the general in Dr Strangelove so norm is doesn't sound like norm for the first like three pages of the script and Peter Girardi the the executive at Warner Brothers gets this Ashen look on his face like we've hired norm MacDonald to be nor McDonnell. No one's GonNa you know what this fucking thing is. It's like an impression of a guy from nineteen sixty but I was laughing so hard because it was so funny and then it was my job to tell me that we didn't want that and it was terrible. I was so like embarrassed. Oh my God. Even more norm brought his mother to the record. A norm has got to be so. The mother is like a grandmother type aged person. She's a little old lady very sweet. She's in the voice booth. He comes in. I'm like Oh my God. This is MacDonald this is going to be so great. He begins reading the first bit of dialogue. And he's doing it in a voice that doesn't sound anything like norm McDonald. Why why was that choice? Made you think his own creative uzes and you know what's funny is it's like he was right. It was very funny. Do you think he didn't WANNA be nor McDonald's routes will probably I think he like I think he's got like a and I get it because then it's like McDonald's and he writes his own material whatever. He's in charge of his career if he sounds like Norma Donald and he makes a joke and I've written the joke in the joke sucks. It's embarrassing for norm MacDonald. Everyone's like McDonald's does not funny anymore cartoon but he's going to do in a funny voice that no one will recognize right preserves. I'm telling you laughed. Hired at this performance of his because it was something it was is also correct. It was a great choice do you haven't I bet we. We must unless they unless like all things they pressed a race. I don't know But it was like but also I to get the audience wouldn't have gotten so you are learning this of this decision in real time studio with Norman his mom. Yes and Peters who saying okay. Let's see what we did one script and Peter. Let's take a break and then I just said I said I blame the network and I said is this all right Peter if we just say and then I said I kept saying they and I'm like they want you to be norm. They really do. And how did that. Go over He. He seemed he seemed like the person who's like. I've heard this same line. Fuck it. I'll the DUMB corporation is wrong. But I'll do it whatever. And he just did it and then he was super funny and he was still he. It was great but I he would have been super funny doing the other thing too. Just no one would've understood what has a having had norm MacDonald on the show dude that attracted a bigger audience. I don't that's a that I don't know I bet a little bit. I know norms got his core audience. I feel like he might have a slightly skewing older audience. That might be think that when they look at an adult swim. I'm show their their. Their guard is up so high and they just go. This is weird and it's not for me And they don't like take the time to go. It's not that weird you you know. It's because it's Mike Tyson. Mysteries is not that weird. It's not that avant-garde it's like they get a mystery and then there's not that hard to follow. Did he end up improvising. Changing the lines. He he every once in a while. He's super smart and very well read And every once in a while norm will do something. That's very can be embarrassing. We're he'll say the grammar's not right here. Or you've got the tenses sort of. What's your and those become embarrassing to me? Like if he but he never he never he thinks the jokes are funny. Yeah Blin he thinks the jokes are funny and I think he genuinely thinks the show is funny. So there's a little bit of anxiety that norm you want normalized. Yeah I think so for sure. How about Mike Mike? The only time Mike. He loves That people tell him the show is great. We'll see watch it. I doubt it. I bet he watches every once in a while. He thinks Mike will think things are funny. If his character gets mad he likes that he loves saying motherfucker and he loves loves getting angry. It's like he's good at it as you can imagine but like his acting transitioning from like a kind of laughing or saying what and then getting angry and by the way I still always find it funny because I think it kind can happen in real life with him like. He's very impulsive very impulsive. So like if Mike just just want something he he just grabs it or he. He doesn't think about the consequences it doesn't appear to me. He's not governed by the the laws laws of physics as we are he just moves to the universe on his own thing. Have you ever felt threatened by them. One time I know. Oh I've never felt threatened but one time I felt like he was mad and I know one time he did not like a joke. which was we did? A sort of semi a period gentle dental parody of those real housewives shows and ours was it was the mystery was. Why did one set of House wife and her husband not get invited to the to some charity ball and it was set in Newport beach so it was among rich people and then we basically four added our show like one of those shows so so it was like you met the four real bitches of Newport beach we call it and then just apropos of nothing? We had mike also do one of those things where he goes. I'm Mike Tyson. I saw mysteries threes. I'm known for two things I I saw mysteries. And I'm a bitch because every woman kept saying that was their joke. Like and I'm a bitch like every every beach beach city needs a bitch and I'm that bitch. They kept having these jokes so mike needed to do it too and he had an incredible reluctance to say. I'm a bitch and I think it would carried worried. Great that carry great significance in in prison life where he had done that and he did not. He didn't want to say that and and he didn't he did it. And he kind of swallowed the line. I was like Mike. It'll be funny. Just do it and he did it but he didn't. He didn't do it with zest did you keep it. We did. Yeah it works because it's like in a package thing but he didn't. He didn't lean into it as they say these days ahead of been uncomfortable. Yes and then one time he got. I saw him get he became mad talking about Don King. What got him at I think he has strong long negative feelings about dying by the time I think they might have had a reproche mall with him since then but I think at the time he was like he when he was telling some story Don King came up and he then he started talking about what a mother fucker is like kind of got real mad and it seemed seem to real his anger is he healthy. Is He in good shape he vacillates enormously. It's so funny because sometimes I'll think like Oh my God. He's he's gained a lot of weight and he's all in the next time the last time I saw him. He seemed thin thin in shape and totally totally with it and like a young guy so he goes. He's always riding waves as he ever punch you one time in my excitement. This this is early on. I don't know what the fuck my brain was thinking. I was excited. We just finished. He came out of the booth and for some reason. I kind of got my arms Ormes moving in this way with my this clenched like like I don't know like a kid like with excitement and I was and then I kind of like I found myself kind of like punching. hunching him on the arm for no reason like out of excitement like I should have just hugged him and instead like I did the one thing you should never do. And then he immediately got himself into a boxing position and then he didn't do anything but I was like. Oh my God. What have I done the last thing you should do to that dude and his body is the key? Here's the crazies body. I've ever seen close like his I. I don't know why I know this. Maybe because we had to get him shoes wants for the live action stuff. He has a size fifteen and a half foot now. He's not taller than me. But that's a big foot. Yeah and then his hands the fingers are not that long but the meat part of the hand. The best part is double my hand. It's like crazy looking and it looks crazy and when you shake it it's crazy then the other thing that's crazy is the distance from his. I would say from his chest to his back like a lot of people have broad shoulders but they're not like brought also cube. Yes and then. That's when it dawns John's on like one time. I thought like he was a little man. I thought if he went crazy what would I do. Is there a weapon. What would be the thing you want? Let it get me. Do I have one shot. I I was thinking I was like do to try to strike the head with a big heavy metal thing and just looking at him he he looks impossible to stop. I think you I don't know what you do. I think you gotTA play dead. Yeah dropped to the ground and we got it out. Maybe his eyes don't see movement if you just because he doesn't look like in care like I don't think he'd be filling anger like you wouldn't want to beat me up for that reason but he might just being mode and then maybe if you if you stay still he just pass you unlikely Circumstance for a cartoon yes. Yeah yeah but I think it gives it that you know what's funny is because I always think like that. I want that to be a little bit in our show like the feeling always so gentle. And he's not as nice and he's the hero of the show. Whatever the he's the Nice Dad but then just a little bit like a shitty go crazy and kill us all like every should remember that secret sauce? We put in a little bursts of anger. We'll throw in every once in a while just to keep you can look for those. Yeah where are you in the the status. Where's that show now? Mike Tyson is we are in post on our fourth season. Wow so how many episodes is that for coming up on forty forty. I think sixty sixty isn't that crazy. Holy cow episodes maybe fifty. It's maybe it's fifty. Maybe we did ten the first season and then twenty twenty twenty. A lot of shows. Don't go that long. Yeah Yeah it's very especially because I thought this show one one episode season. I would have bet. The House on young person's guide to history and giving zero dollars place on Mike Tyson. You never know yeah. It's very true actor. Also yes reno. Nine on one arrested development will and grace yes. Nobody's nobody's the show. Nobody Watch Larry Dorf. Yeah so you guys ended up being writing partners. Larry was in growlings with me. Same with Rachel and we the three of us were working on all these warner brothers things. He's like looney tunes. And and Rachel and Leery right on Mike Tyson me Rachel leary basically writing the episode so your experience on the fringes fringes of kids television inform. Nobody's yeah and then we and then we shot seasons of that. So what's it like being funny out in Hollywood these days Was it relaxing stress. I think the one thing I didn't think about as a career in the in the comedy side. I did not think this through one. I think there's a lot less money in it than I my fantasies and maybe also that changed over time with all these channels but but it's like why else would I have had a television show like you know th there's so many choices now of course it's all less money but then the other thing that I didn't think about is when you become an adult like it's just hard jobs are hard and then you have your life and then you go to your job and your job is supposed to be laughing all day but then maybe a bunch of things went terrible in your life. It's like now I should have been dramatic and if I was writing on you know. Svu Law and order. And it's all about you know some horrible thing with the kid that got murdered then when your life goes bad you come to work. It's fine you you write a thing about a kid that got murdered but then you don't have to pretend to be laughing so that's I think my advice ity get into drama. You know like why comedy. It's hard to keep laughing. Every redone voices. I do voices occasionally for these guys. I played who I play a hairdresser on one of the robot chicken sketches I mean the star wars ones but then like the one I thought. Oh this is definitely. I should do this one. They gave at the Seth Macfarlane. Oh and not have enough bullshit Ville do come on I wrote it. You don't get to cast it no but it was like come on. I would have been fine fine. I don't even know different. There have been no drop off. I'm telling you Seth Macfarlane Davidson. Yes thanks for coming in. Thanks for having include visited ultimum dot com slash podcast for links to some of the things you and I were just talking about and send. There's an email if you want to adults from podcast. Go Dot Com. Thanks today. 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How EQ Can Change Your Life  Preview

Spirit of EQ Podcast

01:16 min | 8 months ago

How EQ Can Change Your Life Preview

"Hi everyone this is Eric Pennington with the spirit of Eq- and with me as always is Jeff. Hello everyone and we wanted to just give you a little bit of a preview. What's coming up on the newest episode of the spirit of Eq- podcast? So the four here and I'll wrap a little bit here in a second. The physical life the spiritual life the mental life in the emotional life. Okay some of that leaps right out for our listeners. When I talk I mentioned emotional but all for these areas in order for us to be healthy then they need to be paid attention to and it's my hope like today we can be a catalyst that maybe somebody's going to say? Hey I get this idea making better decisions. What kind of better decisions can I make with these four? Hello this is jeff again. I would really like to thank you for listening to the spirit of Vu. Hugh podcast if you have any questions comments or just want to know more about emotional intelligence please contact us. You'll find our information on the spirit of q dot Com and we will get back with you. Thank you again

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Voice in Canada - Philips Hue Smart Lights Now Support Bluetooth

Voice in Canada

01:54 min | 1 year ago

Voice in Canada - Philips Hue Smart Lights Now Support Bluetooth

"Skills Hey there it's terry here and if you are like many other Lexi users you probably are starting to your toes if you haven't already into home home automation and smart devices one of the most common ways to get started with that is to look at getting some smart lights now Phillips Hugh has been a big name in the market but one of the downsides of at that particular brand or that particular type device was that you needed a hub to us well Phillips has just recently announced that they have new lights that can simply connect to your phone through Bluetooth meaning. You no longer longer need the hub on top of that once you've got to your phone you can of course then used Lexi to control the lights. Whether you have colored lights or just white lights or whatever you WanNa do you can now do it without that additional hub so I think that's a really smart move. That Phillips has made. I really like these lights. I think they're really great. The still still the only downside that's each of these is that if you don't actually change the light switch on a wall and you're only changing light the bulb if somebody turns off the light switch on the wall that controls that lightbulb than you actually lose power to that light bulb and then you can't control it anymore with your phone or with your voice so something to consider. If you want to learn more about smart lights you can go to the blog at.

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The Hugh Freeze Hospital Bed Episode

Shutdown Fullcast

1:08:14 hr | 1 year ago

The Hugh Freeze Hospital Bed Episode

"Whoo welcome to the shutdown full cast. Oh y'all all this. We actually have a ridiculous amount of football to talk about for once this the internet's only college ali football podcast. Well actually discuss football the th right right. That's correct like we're gonna if you're if you're listening at home. If you're wondering will this this promise pay off my wages no so just go ahead and mentally markdown roughly what percentage of football non-football you think we'll talk about. This is off awesome. It happened at a football stadium after it happened a from down blow the albury losing all right spencer okay hospital gurney going to sam fine with braille every boy bringing over those sealed ospital records me those read it hospital records a lot of things happening week one but none of them none of them. None of them equalled liberty university. You freeze coaching football from a gurney in the window of the study. Take talk to laugh. I have the same problem. It's just is it. Just that's what it is. He looks like a fucking astronaut. In the photo. Where you see astronaut looking down on earth that was the view at the end of the game for his post-game presser where you can see the tiny little football field in the background and and there's captain and freeze orbiting lonely above earth. You don't even have to change the name where god can't see him. Yeah could be ad astra dead. It got assing it. <hes> same word talk about fathers and sons aw talk about talk about interstellar get worse we're steering into. There's a millionaires milky way joke here but i'm not doing it on into the crevasse. The wormhole god you guys thought that we hit a new low with jerry falwell chain bikini and as usual the truth is worse. We've tunneled under it but but surely shirley hugh freeze just sort of kept a low profile as he sat in hospital bed wearing a visor indoors inside hospital bed while he quote unquote coached liberty football right press boxes are some of the least a._d._a. Accessible spaces. I've ever get a fucking bed in there. I mean at least it was a productive <hes> piece of theater right like liberty scored. Did they score twenty four points or was that the other team that did that knows xeros. Oh so liberty didn't score any points none so so this was all this this whole this whole spectacle this whole engineered uh uh sports entertainment spectacle produce nothing of any value for anyone other than other than <hes> joy joy in general enjoyment which that's what matters most i guess which that's the first that i can say from man from a euphrates dam since i think old miss beat bama. I think this is the first good thing liberties ever did absolutely it. I'm not i'm not saying i know anything and i definitely don't but it has the whole feel of will shit. I told everybody i have cancer so now. I have to shave my head. I just wanted. I just wanted some sympathy from my co. Workers now have to shave goddamn. Head oklahoma scored again. We're <hes> we're recording bearing oklahoma houston <hes> and if if if you didn't see this game you're probably not missing much. Is it thirty five ten now about to be yeah. You know that that's actually that's actually forty five more points than combined liberty sword which is what happened was is jalen hurts <hes> barreling toward the end zone hurdled agai launching himself up into the air up into the atmosphere which is where hugh freeze resides on his magical healing platform. I think liberty should put a put a gurney on the sideline as their turnover trophy. You punish the turnover bernie yeah the maybe turn you over. They put you on it and they flip. You know bed. Sores flip you back over. That's a big third down. Stop come get your catheter. Come flip this three hundred twenty pounder. I the thing that this was tire thing is absurd and ridiculous. What about it well before. We get there right. The entire situation at route is is absurd because this is liberty university openly trying out you know like first of all liberty sco look dude season. Isn't that yeah liberty second the second they hired hugh freeze third her who hired you for jerry falwell junior who else jerry followed mccall. Let's get that in there arrives. He hail killer university that happened on his watch. Yeah several news some which is why like first of all independent of anything in this story when you go. Do you think these people are lying about something. I would say yes because their lips are moving. That's an independent pendant of anything in the here free story when they come out and say anything about their intentions. I would just go out. It's probably the other thing right right but this of course has nothing nothing to do with the restore free suffered a medical crisis of some back probably back yada me sort. Let's go reportedly reportedly hordley. 'cause we're reporters. Yes emil. You've been saying this for so long that i now have other people d._m. Being like hugh freeze through his backout jerkin. It did that same call that independent confirmation. That's two sources awesome jeff scholtz have this on his twitter feed by midnight two sources you freeze its deck and you freeze his hand. There you go. I ah this is like pulling off a scab and you know there's blood but you just keep yanking out it 'cause it's now. There's so many words so close to each other. I don't like these you freeze scabbed it. Do you think at some point during the game because he was in a bed he was tempted tempted to masturbate and then he was like out windows still didn't nobody was watching this game. I'm gonna have a rare defense. If you freeze here if you're just sitting around for global didn't talk about half of all guys sitting in bed for two hours would sort of think once like having reclining box exactly like maybe oh i forgot breath breath fox poop in a bed column you freeze jacking off in the press box should torpedo the concept of coaches reclining in the press box for good. That's what he was doing. When dino vapors gives them the thumbs up from the field and has to go like oh. I brother hand check yeah. That's the youth group buster and thanks for the bye week. We appreciate it. There's one person who suffers in the situation. That's quarterback buckshot jones that is that is liberties quarterback buckshot jones he is <hes>. I believe that came to mind northwestern that you're underselling the name here calvert. I'm sorry bookshop calvert yeah. He's replacing hold big flank whole big flank squat thrust his predecessors <hes> yeah buckshot if go look at his picture you can go buckshot calvert prompt picture and he's not he's. There's jim mcmahon thing going on man with b._y._u. Jim mcmahon not the kinda guy. You think would go b._y._u. Same with buckshot calvert go go look at his prom photos. I'm very sad that his team only scored seven lumpy franken cried calder calder her dear appoints rick cheek warmer like dirk steak face like the mattress beneath you freeze warrior stunk sounded now look man. We're like a u._t._s._a. Kinda guy yes slim chest at the <unk> liberty liberty monster chuck team <music> god. I bet the liberty paintball team awesome jade helm shit like we have never imagined. I bet they suck rich kids. That can't handle that not that rich. There's one group that has not been <hes> interviewed or talk to the media in this whole process and that is the yup. We're the unsung unhurt heroes the liberty assistant coaches i want. I really want somebody to go to like great. Uh-huh see the d._c. and be like hey. How's it feel that you freeze his just going to be up there. You know god damn hospital bed in in a situation where it would be totally understandable if you just coach game that you're probably not going to win anyway. How does how how's that feeling pretty great. Are you excited. I don't know have have you taken a spin through the through the coach's coaching staff and seeing if maybe any of their are overseas have like decades and decades of coaching experience. I believe they're called disciples breath. I particularly enjoyed when this hit the internet that i don't know anybody who i follow read or otherwise otherwise patronize as college football person who presented this straight up right. I don't know anybody who said oh man that. So valiant freezes coaching from a stretcher. The minute came out. It was like one hundred percent like that like the the mildest mildest thing i heard was that's unusual. That's that's the mildest thing i heard well yeah because so many of these findings traditions had to execute lusitania turn after carrying water for his ass all week last week <hes> thanks for that everybody thinks just fading and hue freezes rehab to her. I'm trying to find the one person i saw oh from a slow play. Peter on twitter i find it to <hes> dino dino pointing at coachee up there in the heavens says so much respect to coach freeze all of y'all that are making fun of him or violating hippo laws ause to which i responded citizen's arrest him you coward. That wasn't even my favorite. Thank you first of all but my favorite response sponsor a little bit further down the thread when someone said sir it's spelled kisa sipa yet didn't even get the law right and it's not a yeah i'll walk. Laura like people i know people i know who otherwise might treat this with some degree of some degree now. Nobody bought this fucking nobody but this has normal and i thought for a second that house like this is a great confirmation of my time line. It's been well curated to people who aren't here ear for this <hes> merit batch jesus to shoes bullshit <hes> and now it was actually everybody my regret is that liberty and who freeze didn't go harder into it that he wasn't like in a medically induced coma. Thank you on plenty hard i a- and then and then it halftime he like bursts out of his restraints through auto racing. I can't hit you because you're not here is usually spencer problem bursting. I mean just with the saturday night night. Live like blood jet like loaded up in his wrist like window coating putting the windows of the press box in a just world. This would have been that u._c. Networks first game. Nobody that's the best minute happened. They voted this rocky liberty selling this they are. They invoked ben fucking carson their cell. They're selling it so hard. Even a surgical technique that ladders up to a publicly traded company. I mean that's interesting anyway wild. So what did we refer to it. As griffith graft gripped graft yeah yeah that vastly because we can't tell those two things apart but guess what neither can he frees apparently yeah so that like the minute it happened there like it's like this is amazing. Our coaches like rockies story and everyone on twitter's like you. I wish when in the e._s._p._n. A viewer had started talking. The first thing he said was. Where's pad may know they do not lloyd free jerry talking uh-huh falwell like yeah that's like phrase kneeling and then he gets the big projection and looks up and goes. Hey does this video joe hologram thing. Can you get to the internet. Can you stream on this exactly. I'm just for recruiting. Just ask i will. We'll give you freeze this <hes>. He's not a vain man and yeah jason. I see it common. Stop it. I mean he owns mirrors. He can't bay eh. There's nothing flattering about being interviewed in a hospital bed. There's no your angles are terrible. No abigail adams ask. They know everybody looks. Everybody looks like a four year old hung the phone doing fake on the angle. Title of e._s._p._n.'s broadcasts went in when they went up to his press box on marsh to interview the the angle is pointing right at his chin which is the most interesting part of his face vase because it doesn't exist and it makes them look like you're. I mean not to go back to the hut but it's very it's <hes> it's a deeply unflattering angle. I'm not doing the voice again who houston scored oh. It's quite a salacious krav information. I'm sorry not sorry enough to not do it again. But a little bit of the funniest thing i saw and i can't remember i'm going to find out who did it but they cut. Footage of the aia crowd waving to the children's hospital with with straight to freeze with the window. I would've wished for four touchdowns. I've in a position to make a wish meanwhile bob davie over here having an actual heart. It's echinacea coach all at this theater. Bob davie almost died good job. You freeze taking taking attention away from that. I guess last i heard was expects. Full recovery was was the language to the statement so yeah. That's good that's great. My major regret is that i am now. Confident spencer is going to try to do a full cast live show from a gurney me onstage. That's at least we can if we're willing him. At least i'll show up on time. Maybe that's a great three point. Thank you thank you for planting that. Why didn't they have what did he have a switch but he just sit like because that's what i would do right. There like kraft kraft matic bed ed switch because that's what i would do. Why are you not a millionaire blogger way giving nintendo switch yeah hang up there. Oh i thought you meant like go out in the woods and fit yourself switch for like a spanking time you bednarz when it's yeah you know that seems like a lot of unlandscaped ground for you to cover that would be derek even by the way who on twitter cut. I was fans waving into children's hospital with you. You'll say oh this is disrespectful. Y'all yes yes absolutely right. Is that thing where you go. You can email us at thirty eight. Godfrey are ole miss correspondent because sometimes i i just i just realized what why he freezes doing this. You don't have to wear underwear in a hospital bed. Do everyone can see your but freeze ballin. I'm sorry again. She's so if you don't roll to the side the entirety of liberty would have seen he freezes uses but up there in the sky. You know what else rolled to the side america friend of our savior's tomb. It's a miracle yeah so i i guess in like three days. We'll have twenty. Four points from liberty resented scan. Take a little while. It's going to be a minute on that. Start start to roll the rack aside. He's like a second hang on the noted defensive juggernaut that is syracuse university. This is a dino papers fan show on record as such. Oh yeah yeah but you know five zero points in syracuse game. I'm like oh did they play alabama. Defense isn't isn't really the brand what i'm thinking. This is especially start considering <hes> mack brown out there dazzling all on its name d. no whereas you freezes like d. Yes too much what if d. but too much is so hugh freeze wasn't moving at least most of them. Neither the other other highlight of saturday and the young season so far has also involved people not moving <noise> of course the non moving boy band freeze a member of the non moving boy band. I'm not trying to transition us off this. We're not quite done with you. Receive inclined to treat a good number of listeners like princesses. He is a summertime lover uh-huh and fall and all times but summer is one of them. Some are refrees the mascot of christian girl autumn aspect it remember his thinking about the recruiting calendar like you. You're mostly bringing players to campus on. You know you're not doing many visits to say like tampa appa during summer so i think more of a winner over i that ad has i went to stockholm syndrome with that ad like the third time i saw yeah. Hey students in need to worry less about your high man. I'm more about the highest man of a mall. You know what the name hugh freeze sounds like who freeze and the answer jesus. That's right there. I was like well gee stick kreil speaking speaking of kreil matt brown. I learned yesterday via looking at whatever the hell is happening mack brown space that you can get cry on your face back mexico blue rejuvenate and he's looking at he kind of looks like mason verger in the hannibal movie but without all the blood i would describe describe him as having a p._s. Three graphics face at this point yeah. That's pretty good. I i did ask on twitter if anyone with more experience in plastic surgery than us us a could guess what <hes> what had been done to him in the off season. Am i gonna throw over to reader rob. S who it really inspirational mack brown quote to give some idea well first of all you have to give credit to the ravages of time the played a great game and they're just really outstanding competitor's seriously from like the nose to the chin. He looks like faye dunaway. You can't tell them apart. She's my sister and also my daughter. 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I transition to an actual football football question for y'all so i without thinking i labeled listener in my notes as who gagged best yup. That was a mistake given how what we've been talking about for how much three teams played this week. That just blew a lead in pretty fucking unfortunate fashion. I would like to hear from each of you as to which one you think should feel the most shame we're gonna start with south carolina because we're talking about mack brown with one forty seven georgia state. I don't think they know they they were they were briefly because that's why tennessee at least as as of this this brought as of this recording tennessee's official football twitter account their last tweet is like a field goal to end the raptured think one person anywhere on earth who doesn't know what happened next and slap in the side of their computer. You know blake. Dern thing somewhere in the twitter's been down for a while. I only follow one account. Things busted you. Don't it was okay. It was on a vote god dang. There's a fire logoff all right so south carolina was <hes> was at the u._n._c. thirty with one forty seven left in the third quarter they were up twenty nine and they punted on like four thousand six after that u._n._c. needed seven plays to mount a ninety eight yard touchdown drive and got the two point conversion south carolina had four th and one at their own forty thirty nine they punted again and you win over ninety yards on fourth and one is then u._n._c. went over u._n._c. may made another ninety. He plus yard drive in seven plays to take the lead these there were still eight minutes left in the game and u._s._c. and the gamecocks got the ball three three more times on those drives they called eleven pass plays already. Put this in the top. Whatever if you're not subscribe to the newsletter on those eleven pass plays they got two sacks two picks five incomplete passes a defensive pass interference and one completion for eleven yards to lose the game. That's candidate number. One south carolina blowing twenty to nine lead purdue purdue had a fourteen point lead in the ball early in the fourth fourth quarter and they punted after which they gave up an eleven play seventy four yard touchdown drive pundit again came up an eleven play eighty seven yard touchdown on drive through a pick with less than a minute to play and lost win true freshman walk on kicker brandon talton also he's a scholarship scholarship kicker now kicks a fifty six yard field goal on the last play and nevada won that game last candidate florida state yeah sorry a rope by the way like a fifty six yard shannon yeah fucking crushed at last candidate florida state led by eighteen with four four zero seven left in the second quarter so pretty early still <hes> boise got two field goals before half time and then in the second half they outgained the knowles one hundred and eighty eight to sixty and outscored them seventeen to zero to beat florida state in a game that was supposed to be a neutral site game and got moved to tallahassee because of the hurricane which of those three holly you pick. I which of those three do you think is the one that should cause the most shame and embarrassment. I'm didn't give a serious football answer here. Okay gotta go. I i gotta go and i'm sorry about that but again. I'm gonna polish autumn about stay. Next spencer made a really good point yesterday about missouri missouri has two problems and their massive and pick one either. The talent differential is is what we thought it is and or is what it should be between a program with that kind of resources and a program with the kind of resources that you'll find in wyoming <hes> and they weren't executing which is bad ad or there is no talent differential between missouri and its resources at a program with wyoming resources which one is worse holly reaching for the fourth the fourth item. I didn't put that on this board. Just because missouri like didn't actually hold the lead that long. They didn't really blow the game so much as they like got to altitude the i._r._a. Sorry yeah you have to you're baking so much more complicated the <hes> anyway south carolina but i was trying to look my answer south carolina but spencer is your foaming and i'm trying to save it for his will must yup speech speech because it'll be interesting to see which ones spencer picks little yeah yeah okay. Here's why okay because is this your most talented team both by your own admission and by most everyone else who watches the programs rams estimation yeah. This is your most talented team. Is it the one where you said and i quote well. I have a quarterback yeah. You have a quarterback. Guess what you do with them. You do with them. What people with kids do too nice furniture you ruin. It spilled milk all over it right. Just let somebody color with crayon over that person by the way as you. You're your own child will less jap all right your own irresponsible toddler who will not learn the same lesson that he's been aw over and over and over and over and over and over again which is that your defense will not save you alone. It won't on the forty forty nine with four th and one against the team that was already running down your throat doing whatever they wanted to do. You went out there and you punted. Would you pot. That's cowardice everybody. Everybody knows it. That's not leveraged when you put with everything on the line and your best quarterback jake bentley that's cowardice. You don't repeated. Cowardice is stupidity bullheaded stupidity endless bullheaded stupidity. They're the most shameful loss. You wanna know why okay willie taggart. That's year two stuff. It happens all right. You got a new offense built in right. Let's find your still a work in progress additionally additionally when you talk about shame and a loss right you take like mizzou wyoming for instance okay. There's a really freaky turnovers in there okay. It's a weird wrote game. Things might have been kind of out of shape shape. Yeah that's fine all right the worst loss of them. All is the one that came in year four. When you have no excuses everything set up and you have everything you want and guess what has it changed and guess what you haven't upgraded you you. You're the one who did this. The most shameful off by far also mack brown coached that game like seriously like a man who is forty years older than his one hundred forty two year old self right. This is the his face of a fifty seven year old. I don't know how old he is. Yeah when you ran your head into the same cinderblock walk wall for eight years straight as a head coach with the same results every single time i have no pity when you get your ass fired in october because that's going to happen yeah on the other hand <hes> as of a i think as of march or april of this year will must have by out at south. Carolina atlanta was still eighteen million dollars so well. He knows someone smart then because it's not him if it's him guess what he who knows he's going to be fired. He knows he's must champ where to go. That's great self-awareness jason. I think from doing these in terms of advantages squandered. I think i would go with florida state boise state. I think i would talk about the knowles not just the systemic resources and how they have been applied and how that manifesto fest on the field but also the actual game state and you know the way these things tied together florida state on third down one of twelve despite having one of the most talented wanted rosters in the country everywhere except for a few positions that are relevant to third downs boise state ten of nineteen pretty good florida state had to fifty yard gains and a seventy five yard gain and still lost. Here's a big reason they suffered eleven tackles for loss on sixty two snaps like this all or nothing ask offense that like you know if they can get the ball out of the backfield sure somebody'll take it but they probably can't <hes> <hes> you know and on the other side of the ball yeah you can at their quarterback and at the quarterback constantly he doesn't matter. He's got his brothers names. What are they tiger and bear and berl buck the other one had this tiger buck and bear yeah yeah what the fuck you're gonna do with that florida state all you're creating stars. You can't handle that shit so i mean it's funny like these programs sort of came from similar trajectories boise state in florida state. You know if you look at where florida's day was for the majority of college football history three in boise state up until only about twenty thirty years ago yet. Florida has the advantage of being florida and power conference approval and the whole first half of this game none of those things matter also. They moved it from jacksonville. Can you imagine if you apply the jacksonville. Bill tax on this jacksonville bought myer by the way was slain in that game. Just he's going to be really really really <unk>. Date did everything they could to be an accomplice to him right and stealing the game from them but he hit like a he hit a third and fourteen. I wanna i wanna say on that crucial last drive over coverage for a first down that ultimately ended up being the winning drive yet these these nails. He's a terrifying bisley speaking of flames all morning the liberty flames james spencer hall how many <hes> group of five teams did or non power teams. I should say power conference teams. How many non power argh. I'm afraid to look at you right now. I know it's i all everything i would like to know yet at eleven fifty six a._m. Tom rush roberts. Our friend over at goodwill hunting said holly is this foreshadowing pointing to a story of a vol navy boat burning and sinking in the river next to the stadium and i said i don't know if i call it that and i i texted this to my former roommate at u._t. And she goes yeah that's just shadowing and that was that was at eleven fifty six. I am and what happened next. The answer may surprise you. It didn't surprisingly but it makes you <hes> so i'm looking at a list of tennessee head coaches sensible former one who somehow somehow forgotten that brady hoke is technically on this list oh into yeah that's fun. Oh i wish i had still forgotten lane. Kiffin derek dooley butch jones combined. How many games did they lose. They lost <unk>. You know their fair share of games to non power conference teams gosh ryan. I don't know the answer is zero. You'll note that also losing to wyoming got phil fulmer fired. If you'll remember that's right in his final in his final year as head coach tennessee or is your life. Shore is funny sometimes yeah. If as i as i said in my tweets this is really funny because this this is fucking up fulmer plan to replace a godfrey are actually in an argument right now. Among our various sources over what's going to happen i because i i have heard that jim chaney is going to be the interim and god for his not <hes> and so we're trying to figure out who has heard what in that situation but yeah <hes> fulmer wants to go barry alvarez. This is not a secret to anyone in the problem now is that i think they have to speed up the timetable to a speed that he was not prepared the do because i didn't even think he knew it was of this babs fast. I was born into the week between florida and georgia <hes> because there's a there's a by between that week four game florida employing georgia as the as the lifetime but i also thought this might not happen until the original fulltime is going to be next year so long sangari pruitt lost lost a home opener to georgia state team that all of us saw half of their wins last year because we went to one game. This is a georgia state team that went to and ten last year rolled rolled into knoxville. These are real numbers. They went ten of seventeen on third down. They held tennessee to thr- three yards per rush and less than one hundred yards rushing overall. They won the turnover battle three to one. They held the ball. Long slightly longer than in tennessee did not basically about pro even like on paper on paper. I would venture to say if bill were and may he rest in peace in e._s._p._n. Heaven if bill we're looking at this game and saying who should win this. It's probably still tennessee but that's not who did win this game. It's not a it's not a game that should have been particularly close based on where you thought tennessee was in there <hes> in their growth curve but you know tumors grow to salvia. This is to be clear this is this is good news for the health south of the program sort of because it means that this staff <hes> who i would like to place onto a burning boat with the exception of jim chaney this staff breath is closer to being all swept out the door. The problem is picking who comes in next phil fulmer who quit recruiting when nick sabin even set foot in his backyard phil fulmer who has not had an original idea in his little noggin since two thousand four but you know nick sabin isn't going to be your problem for him anymore so i don't see why that should be an issue going forward <hes> full farmers back and he is the unkillable church but he is the stay i puffed marshmallow man in a church hat and he is the former my nightmares and that is why i continue to operate on a policy established in december of twenty sixteen <hes> with my friends back home we made a pact just like the kids in dairy and for a lot of the same reasons when they packed to float load above tennessee football we offload up here what does the what what does tennessee football concern to a lonely red balloon trying to lure child new a sewer nothing my favorite stat from this game in a game against gore nope the score. It's miss spencer spencer where we're not even blood. I will equalize you how many times did tennessee punt in this game that they lost thirty eight to thirty once once one time call call him dairy alvarez 'cause fill fall about come down makes cheese y'all in his pants. This was just man. I think think it occurred to be late yesterday. After being mad at people be like ooh committee chair holly like i'm going to be in the floor and fetal crying of tennessee football came hover fucker. I was at the fiesta bowl. Do you think you can hurt me <hes> but allies at the end of the day that it may be says something about me that the angriest you can make me is ask me rose tennessee getaway. Two dogs take care bye no anyway. This is great because it means that i i don't even have the slightest obligation pantages the steam for the rest of the year and thrilled tennessee football that route that raccoon bit me and my blood is sick. This is carol swisher. 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How is georgia feeling this point because on the one hand like everybody in the east has looked just like they took care of vanderbilt easily the florida <unk> forms well when they have a big lead and high stakes had nothing should get in their way. That's usually when things go real well for them so i'd be fine so george is going to win the east right. This is true. There's no drama here. We're looking ahead past the east right. Look into the playoffs right wildcats. Mike kroger brand wildcats said say kentucky finishes second is it comes down to the wire. The foremost likely playoff teams right georgia rival clemson quarterback by trevor lawrence of georgia georgia owner georgia owner alabama ohio state quarterbacked by former majorca quarterback justin fields who played very well in oklahoma jalen hurts who also owns georgia so there's your playoff field georgia are you can win the east. All you want at the end you can win. These all you want and you still want to just watch zook commended win like turn embarrassing awesome. I walk. Hey hey we'll see the nata. Conference game has it what kentucky to stagger against toledo then come back and just mowed down motown some people that they should and went all very with my money. That's not usually a problem kentucky now that that was twenty four twenty fourteen indiana route right the thing i want most for kentucky is i want them to win at least two of their games. It's on like a blown call more like an obvious like an obvious missed. Call something like that or we don't cover somebody like they beat us again again. Because we don't cover taryn about god. How do you like that but speaking of took by the way one note on them. At one point they were kind of going back and forth with toledo and somebody you know complained about kentucky going on man regression. I mean they're struggling with toledo all right y'all one. Let's just let's just put everybody in check here. Just take this w._n._b._a. Happy with it because you're not that far away from being kentucky. You're not be happy. Strilly you'd be you kick toledo's asked by fourteen points. That's over a mac teen kentucky in the past the struggled more mightily teams that play in this wack. Don't don't get don't get to like don't get to yourself on this. Don't kentucky take beheshti signed afford you beat last year and who has now after week one and watching other teams struggle absolutely thrilled with a close and ugly win over the university if miami we're awesome. Shall we talk about auburn jesus. We have spent a lotta time in church tonight. Let me let me here's here's where i'm at. I watch most of the auburn oregon game i don't i still cannot i tell you if auburn is good or not. I can't tell you that i didn't learn anything. I think i know less is auburn. Goodness perfect out what breath when was the last time we have known whether auburn is good or bad the rosebowl may may. I mean even that game always like oh. They're good now. They're just stealing signs. They're yeah they're here because two of the the most improbable bounces in the history of sports. It's impossible to determine whether they are good bad here. Dead right heard them referred to has trojans team which is a very good way to think about auburn and any spot. I would <hes> and i'm torn because this is oh you guys wanna close tight game came against a pack twelve team. That really doesn't match up well at the line over the long haul with an s._e._c. team because back terrell teams not quite as much fatness is on the line. That's why i keep saying auburn's fatness big advantage in any game. They're playing outside of the s._e._c. They're gonna lean on you and eventually you'll go fat sweaty sweaty guy. I really just want to get away from what if i fell to the ground. Just let them run over. That'd be much easier than what i'm doing. What am i ask the stewardess to give me a new seat. Yes i would like to take a seat over here on the loss column and you can take the one in the win column and then i'm no longer this warm and uncomfortable. That's that's what happens when you play you know. Big fat offered their fatness. Just eventually wears you down and their winters for it right like auburn in this game that they've had this game before right. We've seen it. Does it mean the same thing as auburn's win. What was it over washington last year yeah yeah. Does it mean the same absolutely not do. I know what it means. Oh no no no no ryan's right. It's completely opaque. Whether whether this is good or bad i do know this bonex bonex through game winning tedious a freshman that somebody who i believe will be the most unfortunate type of quarterback for me to watch. I e someone who will probably do the same to beat my team and then throw nine interceptions the next week and look completely mortal. That kind of seems like that's what's gonna can happen because he threw two cds and also threw two interceptions so that just figure that he's going to be that kind of dude. He's going to put up with some amazing stat lines where you're going to be like wait. He went six thirty and the on again thirty three touchdowns. Something's with the franchise are completely unpredictable. Addictive and some things are completely predictable. This is one of those completely predictable unpredictable things where we won't know who shows up right lumo fortunately as we learned from stephen godfrey <hes> last week auburn is a bedrock stable <hes> group of group of individuals who financially responsible who are all pulling in the same direction and jeff have a bead on where they want the future of this program to go and who they want to lead that hugh freezes pulling in the same direction. Tell them cut it. I know he bleed out some coaching from the stretcher again again. He's enough of stretcher exactly can i can. I share with us. Please mathis so first of all. Do we know the national leader in completion percentage with twenty five or more throws right now as i say this i i know but i want. I want to let you say it. My darling son joe borough completing eighty five percent of his throws five touchdowns no interceptions all against a team that won on ten games last year by the way haters. You're sick right now because this is his fifth straight game completing at least sixty two percent heismans heismans heisman soon come. Can't we trick the dolphins into drafting joe borough. We won't don't even have to trick a man seriously. We could throw that hook out there with a cheeto on it. They're going to hit these numbers these l._s._u. You lazy not take him second overall next stat on the board hollywood. You know the nations leading rusher right. Now i ask you because it is your <hes> your your precious adopted nephew chuba hubbard two hundred twenty one yards. It's cheaper hopper hopper to hover to also thrilled. Oklahoma state put up over five hundred yards of offense in their first game with the offensive coordinator from princeton. They're going to be super fun to watch <hes> in this third well. Let's see here's another quick. One of the longest play northwestern western stanford was a twenty five year twenty eight yard kickoff return on those plays. You can do nothing and get twenty five yards. What is the <hes> whole hope you have this the drive handy where they what's the where they had like a fourteen play drive that ended in a punt. I not making that it was and i always say i think it was for like thirty nine yards. I don't think you're right yeah. I don't think it went very far at all but it was just like the sheer. The sheer number of possible plays all right so so where are you eleven planes forty seven yards eight minutes and forty seconds of clock doc. It's started at the nineteen it at the northwestern thirty four. They punted they just want to. I want a met on that dr look. How is that any different from like playing around a golf. You're just enjoying a nice day. Walking around outside the minute they had to punt. I would really have wanted david shaw drop his pants right on the sideline coaches do that these days so we hear i can hear it. Sometimes so here's here's kind of an involved stat all right. This is when take some twists and turns so the defense that best shut down a power five offense to this point in the season and he guesses <music> held syracuse the twenty four points so yeah mere twenty four yeah so memphis allowed allowed only three hundred yards down for the entire state and the best football team in the mid south is of course memphis allowing three point with regard replayed ole miss. Do you know do you know the saddest part of that game. That memphis doesn't respect old enough to fight them. I know i what is this rivalry become. I mean like meme memphis. Look you're not worth it. What anyone in anything and again we football game disgusting. They're also they're also good rumors hours of <hes> almost starting quarterback either fighting or jawing with or whatever matt luke after the game so everything make skill and great knocks for guys did you. This is the most fans i know like the quickness with which they immediately surrendered any optimism about the season. I was already. Were just like yeah you guys are role models uh-huh light like seriously like they they thin slice so efficiently like they took two sips of old mrs batch for this year. Now that's gonna make me blind. Y'all drink that stuff which once again i recommend floating above your football team leading its actions actions occur and doing nothing to either advance or harm them yeah i was. I was an all y'all if you're an old miss fan and you're listening to this. The efficiency officiency was just breathtaking well. We suck done school jack jack. Oh oh this shuttles about to blow a jack. I know injecting on the runway right like right. It's it's all the red wave like walking to the spatial other like action aid go work respect the fuckers not gonna fly look at it respect on this fans to for being a people who are forced most of the time to pretend they don't drink while maintaining a constant awareness of what is and is not methanol in what they're being handed a line. I don't know i don't know about the shot. My pastor made holy water. Yeah the holes in your softness so ole messed the university where everybody was happy to be getting rid of offense coordinator phil longo remember this. He went two for two in leading top ten offenses. He was there two two years. They had two top ten offenses. I don't quite know what the <hes> the the communication problem here was. Apparently it just wasn't cut out for the s._e._c. 'cause they're all very happy about it. He of course went to north carolina the matt league way yeah. It's so so phil left the f._c._c. and somehow has more s._e._c. right so so u._n._c. and weak one. They put up a six point. I four yards per play which is number nine in the country against the p five with true freshman quarterback with the number three best passer rating against the p five. Meanwhile ole miss had had the number three worst passer rating by p five despite having a higher rated quarterback. Who's fighting this coacher in any of y'all watch any of the mismatch this game. Oh yeah the whole thing seriously that offensive line at several times and i'm sure this is a matter of coaching position not of effort okay but on several occasions several locations their guards and tackles trying to defend the quarterback looked like me against a memphis defensive lineman. They just looked like they look like they did not want to play football anymore. They look like they wanted to be somewhere else doing anything else other than memphis paradise. I can't imagine it. Can i give you a prediction by the way they didn't fight memphis right. The team is quarterback by matt corral who feisty right he might be. He might be who kirk herbstreet might call him a character dr right and they didn't fight this week. You know the play next week arkansas. You try to tell me there's not gonna be a fight that game five months. Do they have any fight at all didn't know they did they did. They didn't want memphis that i think the distinction here is memphis. Office wants to win while arkansas wants to drag you into four overtimes at that point you gotta fight brand-new arkansas listeners. It's not me this week right. We made like art for anyone who misses we made like arkansas sports talk radio or whatever for like one one of the mildest things we've ever said mostly in praise of their weird statutes is really funny because rounds like arkansas s._p._n. Affiliate picks up and then i noticed absolutely four lakes when i get when i get arrested for walking over the wall through the water and onto the statue to hug the hogs on the massive statue in fayetteville. Yes don't doubt my love arkansas. I'll go. I'll go. I'll go to jail. Hug that iron hog. I wanna see see first of all that evening to the out of context splitter count it only. I'm going to smoke out. There's a lot to choose from this week spencer. I wanna see see if they will let you and me camp out under the hug statute. Just get sleeping bags and sleep. I will do it. I'll do it if they'll let us. I will totally do is just got to be below eighty degrees. That's that's fine. That's my only thing the condition. I have their temperature not sleeping on your a. You're going to wake up with a funeral pyre built around you. Ask is my real concern. Louder just cooking. I have your stuff sure yeah. I there's gonna be a fight next week. That's an old mrs definitely like open their delayed and that would be that'd be the only time they really hit that was going to at least begin it yet not losing the tailgate though y'all tailgate letters later seized by feds i can't i can't float above ole miss football because the fumes are toxic. I would also <hes> something else. I wanted dimension by the way a couple of notes <hes> michigan one despite <hes> with their new all fence and looks great. You know like scotland points looked real active doc still retirement tour look to be get nothing mighty fine fashion there for a minute. Hey my beloved blue. Raiders did murfreesboro proud by competing for for about a quarter and a half didn't score as many points instructors so that we can say for some of the other teams in the state and that's offense juggernaut rutgers by the way who har hard to ignore the most telling statistic football total points scored. <hes> records leads michigan so far this year too hard dude north in this as in other things remember <hes> the daily reported bill connolly always citing the stat as very i mean conferences are conferences are groups of like-minded equally valued argued institutions and rutgers being in the big ten does mean that they are the same as michigan michigan ranks only seventh in the big ten points behind illinois oy. Where do they rent. A research and maryland who scored seventy nine on four howard actually lowers their really aggressive research spending message board. I wanna hang out there s._m._p. Skit stanford scores and points look it up but has missile. I wanted to ask us. Michigan traded their values their virtue their character for for success because it sure should have if you look around the stadium that's right 'cause. The beloved zipped tans. The tanning parlor across from arbitrary arbitrary maintain wasn't ohio state splinter cell. They did not dig out in time. We'll just holly. It might have been a satellite campus and then it got infected because sure shave patterson looks more than comfortable and gaddis is do however will be able to sleep at night knowing that you can no longer walk across the street and received that most midwestern of blessings which is a february spray tan at the zip tans because no now it's been and replaced with a coffee house but the coffee places called drip house so maybe like a drip town situation is available. I don't know what that is. It sounds upsetting. Let's move on someone pointed. That sounds like that sounds like the jacksonville state hype video yeah mike though the hardest the hardest future mix tape of the next year drip house my favorite <unk> replied to that video of someone to say god the season riverdale is weird the <hes> the most michigan thing about zip cans. I'm on their website the career section of their website. Everything's going great at banner society in case you're wondering at the at the bottom hunnam of the careers at of the career section it says in larger larger font caution slackers and sliders. Just don't fit the mold here. If this sounds like a team in all caps you want to be a part of spread your wings and shoot us your resume and don't be afraid to brag even zip tans is not here for me. I there's there's no i unzip tans except for the i sounds like a tanning parlor in which i would be encouraged to run through tackles shit yeah yeah. I am always being tackled in the tanning parlor for one reason or another. This is their company slogan. Quicker cleaner stronger better quicker michigan football twenty nineteen stronger better lose to ohio state by twelve. That's only the second so that's the second yeah that's the only the second worst song i've been also like michigan. They briefly charted in two thousand one i i want to i did want to go ahead and point another thing out. Which is we already have the greatest personal foul unsportsmanlike conduct of the year. I don't know if it's going to be equalled but let's set the bar and see if somebody can pole vault over it okay because jackson state's mascot received unsportsmanlike penalty for going out in the field elden celebrating like close after a long bomb touchdown for jackson's date came out <hes> mugged up everybody and looked like he was going to swing at the opposing team in his adorable tony tiger looking outfit well-done jason had what i thought was the best retort to this. I think you're actually actually wildly misstating. What happened here. Oh i'm sorry this being a tiger attorney but you're making it sound like he came out onto the field and and by just got in people's faces and that was a problem i actually have a lot of players helmet he so so so jackson's since playing <hes> jackson states playing within they throw a long ball into the end zone that appears to be caught but may have been fumbled while it's in the endzone and there is a scramble for the ball even though everybody's out of buying this explanation inch is going to go yeah. It's fine yeah. I'm gonna yet right. Not i'm not going to bother. I'm gonna just yup all miss fan amount yeah. You know you're going to lose suggest further questions your honor why. Why did i try but this jason forecast. Why did i try supported at earlier whereas there's rule against tigers open the record book control f. tied to me. Indianapolis silas are you. Are you suggesting that a mascot interfering alive ball situation is bad. I think he just had too much bama him. It would vastly improve if several of the games i saw this weekend i would also. Let's let's also point out that after this i believe but then cookman scored something like <hes> yeah twenty two uninterrupted points tiger your charge. The field made a mess of things and then they lost the game by collapsing immediately after that happened worth it worth it completely worth it set the bar y'all but yeah if you can top that. That's our that's our current. That's our current like like bell someone going well. We ended another hugh freeze quote. Hey it's john genero executive producer of espy nations eighteen podcast the n._f._l. Season is almost here and if you're anything like me you're looking for podcast that covers your team to get caught up on before the kickoff of the regular season. Espy nation has got you covered. We've we've created thirty two n._f._l. 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VLife  Episode 1

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VLife Episode 1

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I'm happy appear to be here so happy to be a part of B. Yeah Communication Major from Central Michigan University Double Minor and Women Gender Studies that S and religion. What's good okay? That's good. Yes ma'am smart. She is smarty widow booty. Oh Oh yes. She has back and it was nice. Thank you everyone. And of course I'm going to represent the in town and of course the mid town Three one three and I'm the one and only ad. I have a broadcasting background specs specs Howard hands on experience and I went to community college. I'm Atra Colleges College visit if it's it's an investment boy over here to my right. Philanthropist street mogul major he has a ged major as ged. Major philanthropist comedian construction worker plant worker and I got a new haircut chambers yard. Hugh Mr Definitely definitely a college degree from the streets though I graduated from High School and then I g got to learn a lot doing it though he would never say to high school diplomas to our twice. So he's a he's a double major double major. I live way to live young moon. Nunu asset at home uh-huh mood on how I'm a money when my name is Anthony Anderson. Listen y'all I graduate from specs Howard as well radio and TV of acted. I've directed movies assistant directed movies. I've been extras and a lot of stuff I've been in plays entertainment thing. You know that's what I like to do. I notice about ever happened though. A lot of people don't know me they know E.. I knew this they know seaman. Listen the only no money. y'All didn't even know he went to college. No they didn't know that. When I went to college I went to Also went to Wayne County community. College is well. I went to lake worth Community College and Florida's graduated High School in West Palm Beach Florida in Florida. All lived there for about seven years. Oh yeah sorry for you. It was wonderful though. I I WANNA go. I go back regularly every year once a year every year birthday may thirty five Memorial Day weekend everybody come down get your life. Come get your life. Did you live with the let me stop us. All Hyphen is doing. Let's do it. Don't tap in. I don't Oughta wasn't lying on Memorial Day weekend my birthday come tap and you guys we will be there. You will be there. He's also trying tab tab you'll be. He's tapping trying to tap certainly standing statism stuff with the tap in Shannon. You you see what you have done Kisha. We're sorry keys you we know you fit okay so we going with the Dutch. So what's going on everybody's live what's what's happening. Now what's going on with everybody break motherfucker. Fuck everybody's off Long Island's we're having a great time island yet so so we're where we go from here. What is the? What is the question of the day? So what the fuck was up with a SAP rockies sex tape and how can we talk. I didn't WanNA see a seven. Nothing curtsy skies. Seven sexy doesn't even it. was somebody famous. Now it's just like some girl that he found and Mike some white girl you know. She's got a booty but like she's just sitting there moaning obnoxiously and he's got the weakest stroke. Let I know baby you doing the ace ace APP. It was his fastest Shea. They used protection he was who was the girl I gotta believe. That's not him in the sex tape it because I don't know if you've got a rocky was Kardashian. Had A fucking girlfriend was allegations they know. Cardio Tap Cardi tap tap tap the wants to talk I do I have somewhere somewhere. Listen Cardi's WANNA TAP in and I won't Cheese uh-huh oh my off long island so good Christmas shopping going for you finished. I ain't starting doesn't seem like it just kind of worn around or I might get. It seemed like it was yesterday weak. AFC guys get anything special for anyone special often. What does he what is he getting? What she what is he? What is anybody's significant Eh I've got a significant but like oh that's the new product that's product placement. Don't you guys. I still leaning against the news that y'all can use this based always give out. Jim Given out Jim's gone a year. We ain't going up but would you can't come slide through and he just significant like oh girl said You can take your home this back of. What was her name? Dr What was remember. You're talking about eleven hip hop was ball ball. Awasa it was. I can't remember her name. Your back. She said ratchet she said you can take your home his back once you get certain age I exist anybody dozen. Is this what you did back in. Even though you had twenty bodies don't account they don't count once you get you grow up basically when you get mature what yourself. I guess it depends on if you're in the same neighborhood dealing with those same people because they always GonNa look at you the whole thing so you say it can be raced in every in a different change and you can't take your wholeness away in your own city. Right is what you're saying. How Radia Ah yes? Yes after I'd give you move out of town you're going unless you famous right. Everybody knows everybody know your whole. But if I'm gonNA tell them nobody you know I'm a new a new city take over. Okay I like I like just we talked to your tires tires. The Baltimore Audubon is on the back and put the media was the front okay. You can believe her she she goes she finds so you know she's here. Yeah we know sexually liberated out when a new generation come some house from the nineties that the numerous the House has no happen. Is the people that used to. Hitter is GonNa tell the new person. Hey Bro the death what goes on in every neighborhood. That's the hate is just so citing any like community all out there. If you're listening right now don't stop looking for fame if you're home when you move out of town she can get raised airs. Hope for you. So there's hopeful it's hopeful the Matt Race Is. I always put it. We asked we erased out. Can you guys stand. Is it a double standard Lisa. Women just like Oh finally. He's not like that anymore. Aged hour ago if I wanted bap today was a six out of six. That was the rules fair. Enough Fair enough elegant. y'All like an egg. Glass breath elegant flower dainty now we rough concrete crack okay but I feel like you can't erase your honus or yeah you can't erase your honus if like you're stroking is weak discussed that rocky rocky. I'm calling you out in Hashtag tap in that was not an allegation that was that was where we're going to see this guy because I don't even know nothing about this video to talk to. y'All got to get learned to same. You know this this is Avi live here. You know we just lots of us. It's a lot of our experiences that we want to share with you that we want you to live the F.. Through all right. Don't mind us. We just the first day. Everybody's had these little these with lemons enemies things. It's just you just use. She actually and I wanna be on a podcast. I was Kinda looked like he was giving me a ladder extra but as you can see this is this is of my life. I'm the silent partner. Like like choirboy on the five hundred. Yeah Yeah you don't look at me saying men can't be host okay. Can what does the word for the what is the where I in. Hell H. E. MC I mean what what is it now. What is the word for us is how how how about the ad no man home big O.? Six okay listen honus honus is almost like ah like a key heiress out. This is like the master key. Yeah if I like a whole bunch of doors. That's a master key. Now let a whole bunch of keys and like your door. That's not automatic door. Not I mean think about all of the bacteria that that key is getting yourself into all of these bacteria comedy hands hands. It's been exchanged dirty bacteria. It's still a dirty case. coolest dirty. It's almost like it's not even unique anymore. I mean this is key is always gonNA BE NEAT. Strike is the oldest in the world is skeleton thirty. Everyone's like Oh my God. This is a skeleton key because I know I on no some God that you probably didn't told of another girl about even if you're trying to talk to her in data on some like low key or even if it was like one of your You knew that this guy was just a quote unquote Ho. He stuff you. Oh you got a cold and we gotta live by so you can tell your sister or your daughter. Augured at this job is only helpful. You got people watching not yet your system of justice about game like he's GonNa Tell Nikki he's GonNa tell Nikki Nikki. I know he would tell you stupid. You don't play. Hey what's up. What if you wanted to tell her something you would tell her? You wouldn't let her go in and just man. I speak to this call. Man You tell your sister I'll invite you telling you because I feel like or you're going to be like I need somebody to watch rival. That's what he's GonNa do his hair dryer. I need you to watch Lila I tonight I need you tonight. I got something to do. That's what he's GonNa do. He's not going to you guys live by I. I don't know who else do you tell your homeboys visit girl. You know they might not know already know in. Then I wouldn't different is like an honor though because it's like if you go out like say you bow out. If he goes out and I see him he's my brother no he's no he's his girl somewhere and somebody's girl is somewhere or you see the boyfriend France somewhere. You can't really tell you can't really say I just saw your boyfriend that's really Hoesch. That's why I'm saying now. That's Sofi deadline is thinner because if you see a guy out hanging this automatic you're not going to go straight home and call your people and be like yeah. I saw your boy for you know we. We do different like you said. It's a double standard. I message real fast. Wants a girl out. You take a picture of him. Pitch by video picture C.. My girlfriend out with another. I'll be like this ain't got nothing to do with you. Yeah yeah that's true. I I guess I okay. This look at uh-huh okay. They haven't a lot of I can't remember about until I got me. And I you gotta be like you can't say nothing. This is natural business. This is not your place. It's job because sometimes people get different women different matter. Yeah do my go up there. They might start watching them all me when it happened. You can facetime came up here. You're like this. I mean that actually happened with my cousins like there was a situation with one of her girlfriends and like the guy that she was talking to. Oh I go. He was just out here he was out here trying to like get his little little little things little boy I mean for real and my cousin got into it but her husband was like you know you really shouldn't have done that you you know. That's not your business. Don't get involved. But that's her friend is not but that's your friend. You want to look out for you right. So here's how I look at it. Would you want to be told. No no you would not want to know and you would not want the girl that you were with. I'm thirty years old. I've probably begin on my whole life. I found out some kind of way. No I'M GONNA find out when she go into dark. Took a little in Florida. Hello burn fire off the member. We just lost them breath. Our podcast. John's or Saint John University people business. If I see somebody get killed by the way so I definitely GonNa look the other way to get killed our police at my my business town of nine. Oh no there's lots of Takashi into building just lost cash season everybody how you guys later I gotta go. I don't know if you've seen as the movie. I can't remember the name of the movie somebody got killed in New York. New York is so populated heavily populated as millions of people in the streets and the guy was his land over there and everybody was just doing like this walking right over his behind time. I'm the guy that walked over on. I guess movie like that. I can't even certain days like that. They have have no no black. But I am and I can't be messing around because when I walk out of here I'm black. You know what I'm saying so I can't be messing around with that type of stuff when the police come back and say you know what I don't know you might did victim poverties authorities five. I don't WanNa be centralized so I gotta go. Sometimes I WANNA be Michigan won One whole cody. Uh Detroit one one. Good one yeah you gotta stay out of People's business you can't really heavy. Lv sometimes you can but sometimes you just have to just because they like. You said they're going to blame you in the end. They will blame you but I mean at the end of the day. If you decide to stay in a relationship like that I mean like what does that say about your relationships like Schutte. Yeah so why. Would you WANNA be snowing in that whole relationships are fucking lie and your friends Iran. Who decided no? That's none of my business. I'm not about to help you look some wheel though some people the tap into information because some people don't play some people don't play so the next question just eating me up how it take tapping the next topic. That's eating me alive on the inside. Let's go for the V.. Life crew crew guys. Dwayne Wade applaud his twelve year. Old Child is for coming out as L.. btcu I don't WanNa get that stands. CW ABC banks. That Sea Bake Stan of the what's to kill. I'M GONNA say Trans He's GonNa like me at all. It's it's just not acceptable so this is what I have. I'm not I'm not. I'm just not for order. Maybe he's encouraging his strength and courage because a lot of guys like one time one more time how much. Let's see the guys are saying he's having sex no in that way. What does it mean Cardi? I WanNa know there was a litter. So was he born than not my name. What is learn the banks okay? I mean he identified. First of all he identifies they see his there is is what she her and hers. Boy that when I go no org. And that's the treasure like hits. Don't WanNa come out to their parents because it's like that at twelve. Yes you're wrong with that. At twelve seventy fifth grade well is seven degrees wearing wearing male. And that's when kids start insert. It's always like this so if you had a twelve year old daughter would you like her gear. Nielsen you'll ever be right exactly. So what's the difference now. But I'm saying like yeah. My daughter goes to like just as you as you told me downstairs. You don't think they're normalizing. Oh you see banks okay this so okay listen this stuff has been going on forever like no it has it has it has been going under the radio show. Oh I found no so lack talking about no nails. I'm talking about gender. I'd entity there have been people in the eighteen. Hundreds that were identifying this way even earlier than that have been identifying a lot differently differently than the gender that they were assigned at birth like. I think that's normal. I think it's I feel like what makes yeah no feel like you're able to express yourself it's just being yourself in your clothing. I don't I don't like this and I and do whatever you want as a twelve to be a trend in the know my God I can have if you guys want to as a a twelve year old in the real world when you walk outside you can't go buy liquor when you walk outside you can't go buy a pack assimilation walk outside. You can't none of this stuff as a grown person. Why are you doing his grown stuff as a child and acceptable but it wasn't grown when your parents decided to identify you beside the fact how you wanted to be identified at birth breath? I don't how has that grown how is gender considered a grown construct. When you come out of the when you come out with a cock and decided before now okay first of all Senator Gender Gender Right now? Say I'm coming back in. Yeah I don't WanNa be huge Iras anywhere I WANNA be. It's acceptable caring. Yes you can change gender. I would beat I I would I see now. You're you this. This shit. See Banks Nice. I just want to let you know that I defy at sea banks and I have a college major now penitentiary. No I didn't go to no wait Eh. I went to college to college and I am no longer broke. I did advise rich so at all about anything questions. I just feel like on this life in this life. Where here for a fun time and not a long time? So why are we like coming up with all of this this bullshit to like you know stifle how somebody wants to be expressed to shut down or to AH suffocate stagger. Thank you but you gotta say daddy like you want to say. Here's my take on it. You ever go to like a sub sub shop here makes your yeah your sub. Do you get mad if the person in front of you in line orders sub that you don't like I know something something because it's got nothing to do with me. WHO gives a shit but right argue what you're saying but but we're talking about somebody's child so now we're like okay? Don't get me wrong I I do I I get your point. I think twelve might be a little young John just say. Hey I have figured this out. You don't even know nothing. Yeah because it it like I. I think the world tends especially in today's and I do I get your point about you. Know Yes. Genesis fauria is a very real thing every time I don't know do you think of those Genencor is a very real thing but I do like you look at I mean you WanNa talk about trends. Let's look at Prince. Let's look at Bowie. Let's look at win the mainstream pop up culture you know Great Health Grace Slick no Grace Jones Gray's lake with starship Got James Bond of utilize kill. Was I think the first time anybody nobody saw like a a bad ass black woman that was like. Oh that's a little androgynous AM I. Am I supposed to be attracted to that But but I do. I think twelve might be a little young because you. Are you still develop. There's so much shit going on. He's twelve he still can't score by it might be able to say. Hey this might be an avenue I would like to explore. I don't know if this is for me but do I know people at thirty. That haven't figured out there games. Ah We all know. They're gay but they don't know. He hasn't even met the super hand of his neighborhood. You haven't the flip side. Could be that he might be the super head of his name Honestly yeah that's a good one. I mean he is. I mean your twelve year old. Couldn't even walk to the store by. So how could he still has to be. He told what to do close. That's close the hyper sexually. Harassed sexually liberal gets younger and younger. And I it dude dude. which transformer is your favorite one Akbar Star Wars movies favorite one? He worried about sex rally. Not Jesus friends. Play Jackson grants twelve seventh grade. Six six or seven. Yeah the what. I'm sorry fifth grade. I I went to college but I guess what it has. I think he's trying to support his but I do feel like he's over. This overly. I'm John More more thing to say. Science was that I feel like doing way has a little bit no. He doesn't worry no he he doesn't she did say. She taught us his salad on twitter. Does she says she talks allegations. Either no she says those superior. Don't Hey Kevin Gates in a relationship that's where actual organism grocery. That's where the male g spot is in your booties caveats. Don't get see banks you guys. Yeah well apparently. They're firing off the bat not even getting paid for all I want to know they are telling me he got lube. Well you paint your nails you doing all this kind of to me. There's just a lot as just a lot of focus on Dwayne Wade being supportive. Like I'm like Oh. He's supporting his son like from what's going on supporting his son. His son is doing like Dwayne. Elaine weight is still a some sort is he being. Is You being to support at a point to get to support and I have. I've had this almost every show the talks about the topics like this. Because here's my question is winded. It stopped being okay to just be okay with things like like. It's it's no longer like it. Hey I'm gay cool can't you be. Hey I'm trans cool. It's no longer okay to just be okay with it. You have to either be over the top super supportive carrying a flag and a parade about shed or you're an asshole like there's no cool because he cuts cuts to meet took it to me. dwayne Wade is in a pickle. He's away I'm Gabrielle Union. There's nothing there's nothing I can really. I can't even say that I disagree. Because because he can't disagree we used to weigh in Gabriel avenues. Such a big people that they can't disagree. That's not true. I think they can't use the Nazis America's not in today's America. They can't disagree culture. No if Dwayne Wade came out and said word one I am not okay. Trey with working golly would again tell me I'm wrong labral. I'm telling you you round. She would laugh APSO hot one thing. That's the one thing that they're caught up in is that they're the one she's Way Way Way and she's Gabrielle. They can't say one of the. LGBTQ you can't go against them that's the FBI okay okay take you is bigger than FBI. They're bigger than the CIA guys are big at other new forbid Boyce choice of the new alphabet boys. LGBTQ or a new alphabet boys the FBI known the LGBTQ. Were Jisi whatever they have a fucking sitting on us out welcome. Aw like they say I'm okay with what to each his own. Do you know I'll crucify. Who Don't know no I mean we'd know plenty taking them home matter? Yeah and if you are cool for you I do I you just one thing I know is those guys can't say a word they can't go against those can't say a word against that they can only go with it. You gotta go with the storm. They can't go against it. Can't go against that. It'll be troubled. I know it'd be trouble. They'll be life. He'll be a lifetime magazine. It'd be on life magazine. Lina beyond Every top show talking about it. They'll be talking about that report shows. And did you hear about what the Wayne Way said about his son. Did you hear about Love Gabrielle. Union just just not agree with it would be. It'd be held. Yeah that's why. They were crucified if she has to work. Pr Is it will be better to support support especially in today's because we live in a world where the president of this country is basically Eric Cartman. Ah Yes and you're gonNA tell me. He's no that's that's the world we live. That's it is something you just have to. You know you have to get in line sometimes. Everybody can't just be. You know you fight the power. Some people have to get in line. Some people can't disagree with everything. You can't just give you had to fight it from behind. You came Friday from the from the from the front. I guess a lot of people from behind instead of the front because nowadays you can't like a double entendre. Some people some people don't want to be noticed for fighting against something so some people do silent fights they don't always just you know I have to do it my way because people nowadays they crucify you so fast for anything about anybody in the LGBTQ. Few people are hypersensitive alphabet every. Write the Alphabet Alphabet. Boys can you do boys. I'm making the shirts probably got. So what are the godfathers of modern comedy. Mel Brooks had an article that was out about six months ago. That caught a lot of flack where he said. COMEDIANS really can't be comedians anymore. Because you look at like Lichtblau Lichtblau. Have you ever seen blazing saddles one of. Could he make that today. No no it was real racist. Dave Chapelle new comedy. But he's you want a lane of his late that row. He got it cool. Richard Pryor type. He's a lot of work to his level. The he's the one percent good he's that go up there and say whatever you want to say. They won't do it for everybody workfare in that you do. He made it comfortable just like like I say many I can say what I want to say now when I come to say well. Hello Dave Chapelle can right. I mean you can. That's why my platform is nowhere near as big as because my people fifty people entering this Rome I in front of you. What are you GONNA do? beat me up after the show but in today's world no they they take video the only put it on instagram. They put it on snapchat they put it. Put It on. Cancel your ass. They put it. Nobody will yeah. They heard you say I heard you say Blah Blah. Say something I don't know about. I can't speak for speak for me when they come into the STANDUP. I know a lot of COMEDIANS. So I mean there's this week for me I've I've always made everybody be able to see things my way. Most comedians do though. That's that's part of the. The problem is dude. You're sitting most comedians here in a comedy club understanding jokes and just as committee's findings they find I mean like there's a comedian. Her name is Nikki. Glaser She is pretty much up and coming but she did. A roast host on Bruce Willis and caitlyn Jenner was in attendance N- and Oh God I can't remember the other people that were there. I thought yeah and it's like she was on edge. She was making. She wasn't making their situation like their their minority situation. The joke okay. Like that wasn't the butt of the joke. It was included in the joke. But it wasn't like I just like because Caitlin Jenner she identifies as transgender. The minority though because Trans Women and men are minorities things somewhat on the bottom of the totem pole. For I guess that's that's why they call them on exactly. They experienced some of the same issues that we even experience to find that as a thing when you say people of color what color bladder he full and and that's what they're saying up so I not always like. Do you know how many Muslims get like jobs because of even their names just because of their name on a fucking application they can get denied a job. Forty banks isn't necessarily going to get denied a job and I'm fucking black listened equal wheel. Yes kinda but watermelon. Nisha would to actually Aubrac Campers charcoal gray coming here because your view I would I would say your name like. Hey Hey he was on his way up here. Hugh Hugh Hugh Hugh Grant. I'm looking for this fucking guy who the fuck is mocking mocking. That is not me. That's not why it was December. Sixth that they what is it. That day cannibis. This was made legal in Michigan recreational recreational clear. So what does that mean for marijuana. I WanNa users marijuana buyers marijuana sailors marijuana lawyers that means the money is getting bigger. You guys marijuana. They're we're making most big books. What does it mean for people that like to smoke and drive a probably nothing because that's illegal because that's illegal? So what does it mean for people who like grow weed and you have to have a lifesaver in home. I mean there's a lot of ups and there's a lot of Daryl's to some some of our It it puts you mean for street dealers. We have several shows as on the network. How from a business standpoint you you have seventy nine percent of the cities that townships that have opted out? Yes a muscle tension forty two so you have only got twenty one percent. You can play with so far then you've got a lot of the cities that had committed inset like Warren. Warren is a prime example. Warren had initially said. Hey we're going to set aside this entire zone. As as a grow capable Yeti Outta people dropped millions of dollars into buying buildings buying stuff and they went not hold up. We're GONNA so then you've got that going on You've also got now and you guys mentioned the whole driving while smoking Now you've got the the issue with all the roadside test kits where they already knew they were giving false positives for CBD which doesn't contain THC's so now now they've already basically come out and said they don't have a reliable road say has kit for marijuana but you can still still using them. Wow Ing ten. So that's an issue so you guys can steal. They said when we say we have we chose. One of our shows does What's it called One of his cannabis connection the Michigan Marijuana reports. And they've got like like businesses and lawyers that are in on that show And and it's it's it's still very very much inflect lawyers lawyers number marijuana not on. I've got my lawyer on speed. Dial in my answer Dave. How do you I'm young enough to still start a Lotta Shit. I'm old enough to have a really good attorney. I think so. You'll get it from a from a legal perspective like they're still trying to figure shit out because Michigan is essentially you like yes. It's still an early adopter. Still too late to the game like you look at what's going on in Colorado Colorado and Washington stuff out there so now because again okay. Great it's been legalized at a state level. It's still illegal that it is still a schedule. One substance so you have issues like I've got a friend of mine that works for a manufacturing facility and they got contract to build basically All of the equipment that's going to go into a growing separation facility and dude showed up with basically a suitcase full of cash. Because that's how they have to do business because they can't deposit shit in a bank because the bank asks you where that money comes from and when you say we they say no exactly. Yeah because it's on the hook for and you didn't tell us to address okay so my cash so that's the thing I mean so you know. Now you've got and this is like one of the funny things you see like an undercurrent of news One of the businesses. That's booming. Right now is storage facilities because like climate if you're if you have a storage facility that has climate control in it. You don't have any available spots left because because people are literally storing no not. They're storing cash no because they got no place else to watch watched ozark rallies can steal steal so yes so. That's the thing so even though it's legal legal at the state level if the. DA comes a knocking. You got your downshift buddy so you just stay on the streets. Come on guys stay out out there stay on out there. Come on clap clap. Clap it's happening. More and more people come together and try to change some of the licensing laws and more people can't get involved just five hundred grand. The licensing of Eric Okra recently just recently gave my friend. Hugh the Social Social Equity Application so US guys can us guys has been convicted of things or things like that they can get fifty percents off of certain licenses. ooh such as the for certain growers a DNC grower transportation Consumption buildings. You can possibly get licenses this is for you can be an event organizer different jot. It can do look it up Social Equity Asocial Equity Program. Look it up guys on look it up a bit a couple of weeks ago. Associate Equity van where Bonita Money Une- and Freeway Rick Ross was there and they are and it was really informative lawyers. There was state reps there and they are trying Kinda give you to come out and he just really I other avenues to get into it with Yes Patrick Patrick Women. When women who guys when we want check this work now we're working with wimberly okay? Day Was Burqa Change. You can make a change me me. Some people don't want to get involved in the marijuana touching the actual flowers of per se because of the licensing the legal news and so they are but it. We're can't can't they. They've turned their some very high profile. who is it Got Kelvin more more Calvin Johnson uh-huh got denied because of a ticket. He didn't like they got taken care of now. He's coming back but I mean it's an that's the deter you it's crazy. How many industries? Cropping up around this like we had a guest on our show not too long ago go his former secret service agent and his entire life. Now is Helping no no. He's helping people like people that are building outgrow and dispensaries Their physical security. And how to do that and like there was another one that was on one of the one of the shows that I was talking about it. There there are transport All the licensing and bonding goes along with that it's up it's like. It's like distributing liquor crazy. It's the new tobacco prohibition. Oh bishen come in that little bit and it's industry that you have to look outside outside the box that other things like marketing and like storage facilities brandon delivery services testing facilities. Because people need. He plays the test their marijuana and a lot of any hint like hemp is. You can do over fifty thousand things long. Shot up trainings. Things are have my own hemp clothing company as well stranded strange. I was the first one to do this. I did six years ago okay. You guys premium hip clothing clothing. I started this six years ago. Okay strandings trains follow me on Instagram hoggish yesterday. Mark trademarked everything to premium hip clothing transit. Trains I did this six years ago way before the industry even thought about doing it or anything dumb question or not but just basic question. Do you know why by hemp is illegal. And how we'd wound up as a schedule one substance. Now I know I don't so it actually so this goes back back to the civil war And so as part of the okay. We're GONNA keep this. We're GONNA make the South happy so they signed this shit. So this is when Abraham Lincoln was. Yeah what was taking this out cotton. What was a huge threat to the cotton industry? Hamp I hey that actually worked out well for the question. So hemp was a huge hemp was being grown in the north and it was a huge threat to the the cotton industry from a textile clothing manufacturing other perspective and so as part of that deal became illegal. They've made the managers. I do why I don't know what I was on. Oh okay thank you a history lesson or you know move your your actual. Money was to a lot of money was made out of him. Tash was made out of all the funny part is all the confederate scripts was actually made. There's another show called L.. Shot of history that. There's a lot of fun stuff and that was actually. There was a whole topic about that. So I'm not that inherently smarter. Thanks on house is three shot of history. You gotta get a shot every now and then. There's a reason why it's called that because they start every show with a shot. I figured you pronounce something wrong during the show you have and the best part is going to record so they do five or six so by YEP at by episode four starting to get pretty lit de which means the mispronunciations happen a lot. More brought to make sure you take shots at the last Friday of every month. You messes up on air. He's going to take a shot. Yeah you're right here Monday. He's going to need a dry punchline. I'll be there from eight. He read report brought out the liquor he was ready. He is ready. Come come on come on get it together man. He's five so downstairs bartender the me she made him let him get his drinking because he looks like he's ten. You Know Eh. Ten year old thirty keys. A punchline Monday shows taken twelve cops are here a lot on oil not even in a bad way like chill out. There's a lot lot of cops that hang out here because this is this is. This is the way station between like this and this makes did I've been out here and hanging downtown. I'm yeah because I remember. I remember CASS. You didn't you didn't go to Canada. We're looking unless you were looking for fighting and drugs. That was dealer to redesign. In fact cheated a nickel out. Castes looks like downtown Rochester hills reckless. So that's block that way right. You go block that way. It doesn't look like Rochester like the way station where they hang out waiting to see what's going to happen. I together in years when I move midtown. It was like forty. It was just the Dombi tonight year. I'd Buddy might've party over at MGM. And I left my car here. took an uber over one up getting hammered got outta room. Hotel woke up the next morning. Quick shower whatever. Call an Uber. So the Uber driver picks me up and he looks like he's a he goes son. Where are you trying to go? I four seventy four Peterborough Peterborough in cast. And he was like you really want to go there I would man. When's the last time you were there? And here's a comparably. Ten fifteen years ago Mike. It's not it's not what you do it. It's not what I remember from that. He was like all right right and so like he comes in and we and we come up cast and he turns the corner music. Well when did all this now just stop here. Don't don't go another block uh-huh yes there's stuff going on it's it's getting better. It's a sleepworks ginger. Oh you said gentrification taste ginger beer ginger. Rogers favorites are so fucking walking in so stupid. Scored them all fire. I liked him away John. Sorry there weren't enough issues with people ignoring traffic lights ignoring now you got drunk millennial dip shits quicken Bros.. Routers ribbon around with their little Khakis the joint scooter. Like I've been here since ninety six a little titled. Yeah I I like am I going to get my legs. Go One law foot over man Montana and the new ones where you can sit down right. That's it no stop sealing those from Walmart the bird and you only think about this sex trafficking thing oh I did not On Hand to God this and this happened here I was. I was sitting here and I'm like at one of my buddies was here and I was like dude like I don't get it like I've seen you always see guys walking by here and they walk on the sidewalks girls. Every time they walk by. They walked down the middle of the street. And I'm like what the hell is with that like. He's a he wanted to the real reason. I'm like yeah. Well Yeah what the. They're walking in the middle of the street so they don't walk on the sidewalk and get snatched up by guys in the vacant building and I was like so so you can see them. Come here you got a few seconds to get away. He close to you. Say so two thousand and seven I moved to Arizona. Mexico is right. It's right there. Used to be Mexico taxes me so I remember my brother. His girl has has child's mother. I was getting ready to take my nephew to the park. And she she she was like no no no no no no no. We're not taking auto. You can see from an apartment. She was like no kids here all the time. That was my first introduction until two trafficking and then I think somebody from like Governor Governor I'M NOT GONNA say somebody important like a mayor or somebody of Arizona Donna. Their daughter had went to Mexico on a trip and never came back. It was like big. It was on the news everyday while I was living there. So I was assigned. What's going on and uh-huh so fast forward to twenty nineteen? I'm soon as this all. This stuff's happening. My I remember this going on being a long time ago for sure going on for so Michigan's number three for human trafficking closer border and we're close to the water. Who's on you know that offhand? But I'll find out Dan the you know I have. I've seen I've seen a lot of my friends. Friends that are sharing like a lot of the photos about like the vans with padlocks on the outside and all that stuff lately and I guess my question which is the same question I always ask about stuff is so and here's actually here. So here's a good baseline question by and large would you say that violent crime abductions and that kind of stuff are lower or higher than they were twenty years ago. I'm I'M GONNA say we didn't hire I'm going to say it's probably the same. We have outlets outlet selection. It was still speaking. Violent crime in particular is down about forty percent God abductions and those sort of things down at least thirty percent. And but here's here's the but here's the difference. So I know I blame CNN for all of the ship a Because CNN was the first twenty four hour news network as soon as you had a twenty four hour news network you had to have shit twenty four hours. And so now you've got all of you have sensory overload and information overload so so yes due to all of these all of the ships still happen like shooting still having Ray in Colorado. And you didn't know about it. That's why I say we didn't know. And and so but now with the Internet somebody posts something and it gets shared. And you know. And it's it's that whole six degrees of Kevin Bacon thing like you are six degrees away from any getting fifty cities and so but so that's the thing so now it's so much more in your face ace and so you think it's more prevalent right but in the grand scheme but it's really not and there's even a and there's even stories about rules that are you know they're running away from things like it's not even then being kidnapped but I read a story about this girl who she was kidnapped right in Air quotes. She was kidnapped. Everyone thought she was but it was a stage ploy Ooh for her to like go in you know gala man. What some guy because their parents parts were strict and everybody was freaking out about this at first they were like? Oh my God. This girl was just like snatched up while she was right by her mom. It's great now but I mean take that's right. That's that's that's the Shit Got Black Book Killed Up until twenty years ago if you gain weight the chances of you being kidnapped apt lesser shot for girls Obama potatoes green beans before the baby not kidnapped but they can still get sexually assaulted. Take for you to say that. Okay but still but I but I but that is less than usually human trafficking leads to some sort of sexual avenue trafficking in that Isis. Bacon the camera or microphone Trafficker's Point Of View Van. I'm trying to fit as many people in advantage I possibly can. This is because I'm coming. AWW Base Forty Nine A. Let's see what this trial would argonne. Your boy don't get. How can we help you? Hi Sarah was calling Are you did. I miss the show. No Iraqi this man Amberg calling all the way from Ata Saudi are- right on track. Right I said I recognize the area code not the phone number they say it again. What's the topic? We're talking talking about the traffic traffic. And how what's your take on it. We're number three number three. What are you guys? You guys are like number one. If I'm not mistaken now we're number one Nevada's Atas number one because it's it's a state where people get along now. We had hugh said and I wondered. Do you agree with this. You said that it's probably less likely for a female overweight. Get abducted one. The people like booties nowadays. Think amber too much too much booty sometime. Let's see what I feel is other than sex. Trafficking would also have to worry about the whole organ trafficking trafficking. How healthy are your organs? People see okay. Thank you for them. Use Drako at how hill as your Oregon's if you eaten eaten overweight yeah that's true. Okay of Candy's okay Sometimes people are overweight for medical reasons. Not just that's not just been eating a lot like that so they get steroids. Yeah like my dad. For instance now Traficant Mickey Lesson Alleged Trafficking Nikki. Parker people have cancer. Dad has three prostate cancer early price. He's taking estrogen injections and so like his weight. Gain has been offered sneeze like freaking out about it and like doing slimfast shakes. And I'm like dad like it's not just you eating you know now. It's literally these medical necessity after the van and we were also talking about how You know your children and Their Sexual Preferences and Gabrielle Union. Being Okay Interchange identifying as a alphabet boy no. Let's be respectful. I mean this is the way way that they want he'll be GT sexual transgender queer guys back tracking chiming in on that topic What I think is happening is we are all a product of our environment? So kids today are just yeah they see they hear is everywhere. So there's just curious you know what I'm saying and sometimes they might decide to try you know after three with but that doesn't mean like that's the end game. You know what I mean but do you as a parent twelve yards a twelve year old in changing their identity that except departments. So do you think it's all right for you. Want what what I would have to say that Adrian and everybody else out there when it comes to support and love. I look at that two separate things support. I don't know if I can put something disagree with love. I'm still gonNA love you so you know what it says in your choice might make. That doesn't mean necessarily three. I would probably have to say. Hey No so I had the point of Gabrielle Union and Dwayne Wade there stars right so do you think that they could come out and say be against it. Don't do you think they were crucified them if they just tried to be against it because they're celebrity. Wouldn't you think the media would crucify them. Describe your hugest deal has to work. She can't go against a a community of machine basically. Yeah that's most definitely valid. Yeah I think they could come out and say anything to Kissel here he potter right now. Yes six Hamburg sharing your first of all drooping keep doing the job going six days. Okay so thank you so much amber from mine who okay so. Jk Rolling is is the author of several Harry Potter Books. Yes all all. Jacob is a male or female I duNNo. I thought I'd just go along. No reason anyway. So apparently she told someone that they need to grow a pair. and Oh no no no. No so. The whole backstory was Dave. No there was a there was a a situation where a woman claims she lost her job because she was Arguing with Trans Folks folks on social media and it would be. Hey here's a good look back About the whole sexes defined at birth. Yet he added edited and so J K Rowling was fine like and said you know like like right thing right thing right thing right thing but then wrong thing thing and by wrong thing it was basically like. Hey you're allowed to have your own opinions. Whatever you know I stand with this girl? Who Lost Her job? That then then ways snowballed into a whole thing where now the entire you know. LGBTQ Q.. Community is going after her for not being mm fully supportive of Trans folks in in this situation. So that's that's why I said it's which gets back to my earlier point where like take it is no longer okay to just be okay with things like you. You have to be. No unless you're dave chapelle get do Dave Chapelle can cobb on stage and go. Oh is this making uncomfortable. Fu and no and who cares still has his he's gotten detrick. Fifty million dollars late. Do if if I had an exclusive ten million dollars I would say some outlandish shit right now. I'm sensitive in twenty nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty going into whatever I feel like. Everybody is being too sensitive. Oh absolutely that's very much learned. Feel you can't you can't say anything but guess WHO's going to step and say everything they thinkin can me and I think that's the issue is like people have not people don't understand anymore and this is because I get into God debates enraging raging conversation. Because I knew I believe in having conversations with people. It's okay to be offended by something. It's OK that doesn't make it capital offensive in Those are two totally different things so I just feel like when you got certain power and somebody says are you say with great power comes great responsibility. You know how I feel like okay. Well I can cancel going because you made me mad. Then I feel like that's what's kind of going one or like I have power over this station. I have our whatever have gone. I'm over you so we'll see I'm gonNA cancel everything right. That's one the thing that you said has upset me so much that I associate the thing that you said with yourself as a key character. Yeah and so. I can't deal with you anywhere right case. A lot of people would be gone today because a lot of people are going through that facet rapper. He's kind of like that he's just as stupid shit. No I'm saying I'm still angry. Whatever he did to Biblical Fox? I'm still angry about tossed. Ah well she might need a tetanus shot whatever whatever whatever. It was wider ars. He's been the same ever since fifty as a marketing genius too many hands on Marketing James Dan Jeans Scams Marketing Alive. But I don't. I don't know that I would agree with you. You his own angle. It's not doing anybody else. Like the regular way anybody. The social media has made it to where now you can get rich at mobile. That's the social media. Good touch touch everybody. I gotta read it. Just everybody's crap. I blame I blame. AOL UH-HUH L.. I blame CNN. The news thing. I blame America Online for making too damn easy for people to get online because the Internet because the Internet to me is is. It's a great place. This is dumb. People figured out how to get on the head of the opinion on opinion on the Internet is just so crazy. Like you got somebody somebody to get on here and say Jesus is Lord Happy Jesus Day you are the greatest it is I just had chicken and steak and biscuits pardon me and my girls girls in Vegas. Look look at me. And they'll turn around people to turn around and say why people just put all business on social media like oh you see they're not just you you put your eggs or cheese on twitter right now which you know. She's Oh twitter twitter. She's going up. I don't have I just use other guys I can't. He's trying to get done night. Having never understood twitter I have so. We've always yeah. It's a three one three number here. You go through a three three one three and the crew. Welcome to the trump. I talked to. We have to try right not call us. We are not the trash see banks. It was going on. Eat Man everybody who everyone knows. I'm the cable guy. This oh agree on how you doing. What's the deal you you on the radio station doing a radio station? The company now radio station here so I guess is the radio station because they say oh and we own head though and you lie. Am Love Isa. What are you doing? He got he got a good going with the fathers. We got the Fathers Brunch. We had we just had our first father's Brunch. CD OF inkster we'd be having this. Is the hunters box. This this is my God tyreek hunter. He also has a nonprofit called the hunters boxes. Well he saw you check him out. He's he's the new. He's the new entertaining Simon Guy in our city. Right now he's he's popping me to tyree he's a great guy. No Shit look working mark I guess he oh yes. Free Time Man. You know we just trying to change the narrative that's all that's right. You know those those who guys with matinee They're great combination together. You know they feed off each other. You guys had too many guys you boy to her to go heavily that is I literally had two the drinks before I hopped up in this booth so like I'm and I'm not on the first of all. I know I was a scholar scholar. Listen I review beefing. You find let everybody know what the school I know. A lot of people don't know a lot of stuff about speculate man. You know I'm pretty. I'm pretty pretty smart. If they'd ask me a question. Nobody want to ask me a question. Don't you know Terry. I'm pretty smart. I know a lot of stuff. Jeff like this. You know I'll just been in the same spot so long. They just think that's just me. Yeah but I was just calling in a message to guys may may Yawkey due to the. They're all banks she doesn't want to go see as well do tyreek a and you may not see Offi government and bringing the city back and doing what you're doing that put it all together and it's going to be wonderful man appreciate the live moment another moment we got another one another one. Thank thank you appreciate you. Okay calls a study. They like us. Oh she got apart He's got an issue. That's the issue by issue. But she has an issue the issue I was just excited excited to go Bunn. was there red button on a commercial. We gotta we gotTa make today easy when she hits the Button in his easy. I also just going into the cannabis zito this opioid situation. That's going on long right now. Been Epidemic Question Time with now that his hit the now that he's has he white people involved. Let's look at fixing that. Yeah but that's also that's also with the vaping laws now as well like after now after president trump's son or something sick and now a national thing trying to give it a vape pen as well. So it's like it's an issue when it becomes some for the purchaser listen issue when it becomes like Jason issue it any juice were issue not as peel. Yeah sure and here's a again from one of the weed shows. They have that at work. I I learned CBD or one of one of the cool we'll things about CBD is If you don't know like opioids so heroin-based They're one of the few drugs that actually causes a physiological. Change in your body body like the expression monkey on your back comes from doing heroin. It causes a bundle of nerves to grow in the base of your spine and so like the only way trae way to kick a heroin addiction is to break your spine so one of the Nice things about. CBD Is it's helping people get off these opioids because it like it hooks onto the same receptors raptors. That are looking for those. Opiates and it's like that's one of the things they're starting to do in these treatment programs in that kind of stuff is prescribing gives. CBD Oil to these patients to try to get them off. That's a really good idea. You know I didn't know that they you know that those creepy Over your weight but that's really good because it's you know you know you talk about your spoon Problems don't tell those guys I could and now going back into cannabis you know David just sharing with the you know. CBD's being used now to help you know. OPIOID addicted people Fokker which is also really good. Another Um for the cannabis but that was another easy one happy to hear that but I just want the Yankees understand the Aussies Perkins said can. y'All got to quit listening to people like You keep listening to these granted. The body four workers stopping. I'll I've seen on twitter a lot of rappers are like starting to denounce you know. They're they're starting to these meals to notice here consumption because they do canals or deny I start telling people. Hey I've stopped doing meek. Mill came out in the open interview said that he had addition addiction appeals as well stop taking some stop doing them at all and there's a lot of people dying from a young people think that they can do pills drink liquor smoke we you're already Freddie and now we have really can't right now we have to raise your kids. It's an education and like I wanna be rapid dummies rich. I want to be a rapper. Ally derm rich mumber redheads. Beat you don't know what they're going to be like to be. I mean I'm Jay. I WANNA eat a lot of people that are just as messed up as they are when they were recording it. I know what he's on. Our closes is about drugs but you can say the the mumbling give like the auto auto tune is simple mobile web came from Mumbo Rep okay from the car thinking we know a song don't notice on like couples no is the old Timothy. I'm firing myself. Ah She's a new fire higher. Now that's crazy cycle. I I I go back to go back to Chris. Rock salt thing dude. I 'cause I I'm I'm an eighties rap guy that dude I can defend. Committee say care is one. I can defend public enemy. I can do you must learn. Fight the power. I am all in man. I can't defend move. ooh Bitch get out. No no no this class. Were you when fight. The power came out Uh so that I would have been eighteen. Nineteen generation. Yeah this is whoever generation it is right. Now they're gonNA love it. Yeah okay timeout but think about how all of the music that was sitting there but where did it come from make societal change that to fucking in bitches getting drugs when you go outside fucking drunk. Ohio's IT helping society but it's it's not south it. Every time I listen to music. Music is a help society. Salt and pepper Music all your not saying. Jeez what did I say push you helping the community. Yes he did promote did promote confident. The plug pushing stations should be radhakishun anymore. Yeah that's what happened after you push chasing waterfall waterfall. which did you get a little tired rabbit out of you know stuff instead of okay? We're all in in ten minutes rushing us out you guys. We got started doc. It's up to you I know he's a little toasted y'all young. I started a little late because I got stuck in Traffic Dave because as I got stuck in traffic accident that it was not uh oh no it was not the black folks on colored. People time it was I was I was on I was on. I was on Caucasian people. Yeah absolutely so. If you guys I mean if you wanna run I mean you guys looking at the file. You've probably got about twenty minutes. Yeah okay guys. I'm the no right now. I like number rap. We offer labs. We've we went took vicarious experience at the G.'s against Jisi are can't lion snuck in doing the fans can watch me. Everywhere are Google because people love number people know me numbers for the hockey game that are held in little caesars arena his nineteen thousand. I'm at a basketball game. Is like nothing fifteen thousand for the hockey game. Nineteen Thousand Four basketball game and for any concert is twenty two thousand. It was more than twenty two thousand. Yeah probably like twenty four twenty six thousand thousand people today packed it was people and there was smoking so much good we it was so much we when you walk out where you can see the smoke everybody the wonderful experience just Brazilian waxes to- everybody this outfits browse wonderful deal done every day by the last Chris Brown concerts search everybody. This security was tight. Everything was like it was different. It was different like what happened to. Jesus Teva talk with the staff talks. Let just let them do what they go to everything. I've never thought we would be in Little Caesar's it wasn't you just here though. Yeah he comes he comes once a week. I love my hair is retired. I'm really I price that you guys like him. I love cheesy. How's your seabeds thousand for Tyler? The Creator Oh my God I wear his clothes. Ah I love his little pink doughnut close. It's closer sweep future. We'll take you to a future this. It is to create a collector's roses. Jose zooming them all the time to tell secrets. She's he's getting. Wow I never Chinese views of the city of Detroit because of ems but also by the way they love him love him here because because it's a it's a trap thing he he's the trip identifying the trap trip trout him he is wide open. This dirty little fuckers though. Oh like like. We'll be township sterling high for Joe. Oh did you say phrase frazier. Luke the Frazier Street. It's like they're by around ten mile. Ish is okay. Got Twenty or there's nobody out there their tracks on twenty five and Romeo plank again. y'All need to come out of the Kit Kat club. The Club twenty-five Romeo number one. It's literally right behind my subdivision. Got Some good ass ribs and I thought you was talking about something else kind of kick club. No not the one was that it wasn't yeah. That's another movie. What is the cat club? Uh It's where Thirty year old housewives go to dance on tables and get stupid like both my favorite part though is the karaoke host. Who is he was about to say to Karaoke? Now he was no he was he's easily. He's easily a four hundred pound man and when you tell somebody it's their birthday and you get them up there. He sings happy birthday and strips down to a Thong. Oh get the we we never your plan on. It's a bar Lavonia Carla. I been there done that. Yeah remains Adrian blood. Who'd you get it on his name name Abar like a good dive bar within probably a forty mile radius of here here? You don't want to dive bar that's VP venue. That's not a dive bar is so so temple bar is the same law we die. We call it. It's a place that it hasn't changed at least thirty forty years. We call it a hole in the wall. We have to look at temple bar to weigh in. It could have a dude honest job starter. Honest Johns like has updated themselves. They've got a little bit legit They have to hold the wall. Dive Chit I WANNA say is is a cast is down by Wayne State is right here right but or you got old. Miami's definitely doc. Because you can touch both walls with both hands. Cuffed like common pub lied to me in like again those dude give me. Give me a bar like that any day all day. Every day drinks in Theresa's make you go by. Yeah as you dive bar is. That's how we call it a hole in the wall dive bars. While do you see the Cheetah's never tears unger distributor stupid Lavar for TD friend of mine bartender here. Yeah they have a fresh Friday every oh and we can. We can get there as well. That's a dive Bar What is it car camping yesterday? Definitely a guy. She's ready to go seven mile and what you'll be all right who he's going to have to get used to this shit he she has to pay she has the. I'm just saying for for what okay for future reference to wrap up wrap up at future reference. You're allowed to take breaks during the show. I didn't do that thing for a whole like you. Guys have literally been shot break. Remember when a great. This is my only missing bartender. This is why don't the way I don't sit in on a lot of shows because they know 'cause I because I'm one of the guys that Shit and a lot of people ask me to come sit on their show and like my biggest like Mike Dude Mike crack to me and like I know I have a personality and I know I have. I know waitresses dude. How does what it's worth? I could send her facebook message right now and get your acid drink but you fucked up shut up already already on one. So that that's the struggle for me is like like shows like this like where you guys are like having ecommerce like I i. I want to dive in. Ask The problem with this. Dave saves you come in with. He wants to go on going on out. I'm like it Davis Day. Quiet date talk shit was a lie. No here's the best part. I'm totally okay with that day. But you know no show. Oh has been wonderful whiskey in the jar. I'm I'm going there right after I leave here. It's a little. It's a bar in Hamtramck due to all basically every barred hamtramck traffic but whisking the study for Houston paychecks comedy club. Ebony Moore knows there used to be. It's not anymore I if you're probably thinking about planning at that's yeah so that's more supposed to a bar and it's attached to go slight if I recall correctly that's the bar But knows like whiskey scheme. The Jar do the same kind of place. Did you can touch both walls wingspan dive. And it's You know Condi- almost every Bernice Dude. Any Clinton can you. Can you smoke bark. Like that's a lot of places on the East a Lotta a lot of places on the East West. My Dad's Bar Did you get. There's A. There's a list I I. I have a YELP list. He leaving reviser non EST Dave's and honesty over I abso- laughably. I was yelp elite. The aleve until guys already here I until we started a pot and my business partner and I started a podcast called worse meatball sandwich ever where we remake where we make fun of Yelp reviewers has. I'm sorry if you're walking and this is why it started if you walk into a dive bar and you're expecting to or legacy here's the deal. Dive Barr no drink. More than two ingredients right. You Ain't getting or I mean the long island might be an exception but you're not ordering an old fashioned not ordering no you're getting a vodka soda fifty fear you're GonNa do not even GT CFO If you'RE GONNA stick joint don't go to a state. Join an Sich about the lack of vegan options. No there's there's like there's bushes in the parking taking Latin for you to non that's cool that's what you're there and they literally. They banned us. They ban both of us from doing any issues. I but my listeners. Still out there but I I have no so we have these which aren't on those irs security cameras camera okay But like the again if you guys want to go like facebook facebook live or anything like we've got the we have the technology we can make it past. No it'll go live as you using our gear our Mike and all that stuff see and I told you this don't act like I didn't tell you see for the everything in. We'll be better next time. I'll be reading your four. If say it again. Say It three times so I. I drew good like most Fridays. I'll be here for a lot of Friday's but like with COMECON season as an starts probably not so much because we booths that a lot of cons and that Greece and those tend to start on Friday so you know what the guy who else she just pay anybody on there would have been shut out. Dude I'm okay with the auto show moving June food that'd be it's going to be a lot of things to do alive because you can leave out you guys boom boom sneak. Were those cups in here from the dive. Detroit really needs to do so. Everybody makes fun of Cleveland so I had. I had a business meeting in Cleveland and I went down there If Bob and I wouldn't have my business partner we went down there and we hung out for the weekend and like dude. There are entire districts in both Cleveland and Toledo. 'cause we do cons there where it's okay. It's a New Orleans you can just walk around with drinks and why Detroit has not adopted that yet is a unto me especially with all these bars well and between dude four blocks away from. Lca were all this stuff going around. Just I can't walk away to Vegas. Why is ninety four fifty five miles an hour tickets correct but then they go by? Nobody's no polices even right now. That's the crazy. So he's like it's August of his here for no reason you probably. Abby can drink but don't around I feel like the summertime when you ride through group through Geek Greektown trying trying to make their quota. 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International Perspective for Todays Real Estate Professionals on the Rich Hart Show

Pro Business Channel

31:09 min | 6 months ago

International Perspective for Todays Real Estate Professionals on the Rich Hart Show

"Hey welcome back to another rendition of the Rich Art Shohei today. That's very special guests with me today. We'RE GONNA BE TALKING International Perspective. A real estate professionals and bringing the platform of L'OREAL state. Right to your very fingertips. Doesn't that go? Hey today in our studio we have Mr Hugh Gillum and we have Miss Christian RAWES SKIES. Welcome to the program. Thank you very much for joining us today. We're GONNA be talking about international real estate. Yeah so hugh I have to divert the ladies first so ladies first. Let's kristen tell us what's going on. They'll tell us a little bit about Christians doing so right now. I am managing broker of England. Loggers Atlanta we are a global real estate firm and Just over eleven thousand advisers all over the world But you know it's very interesting because here in Atlanta we have morphed into this international cities. So it's just been great to watch and I've been here for twenty years so good deal super and also the current president of fee. Congratulations -gratulations without a doubt about a little bit about Fiat. See All right because we're gonNA climate a little bit more into deeper than that too as well but tells us about your presidency. You just a presidency of Fiat. So who is is the International Real Estate Federation? It is the oldest real estate organization in the world. And we're really excited that there's so many in the United States as well as across the country and that we also have a humanitarian effort with the UN. So it's more than real estate sure. Who is in it when we start talking about this international journey? We're GONNA be talking just a lot more inside this world real estate and what. We do is professionals. But what's how does whole world really Kinda just unfolds are with the opportunities out there. It's exciting move on to the Hugh Hugh Welcome to the program. You and I will go back a long way way too long. But we're not gonNA count that right now. I've you tell us a little bit. What what's going on your world. Always in a national past President Fiapaitasi. Okay so this is. Vip Season House without a doubt past President USA the Atlanta Southeastern Council Yup and Just this past this past fall. I was elected president. Elect for the twenty twenty one. No excuse me. Twenty twenty twenty one year. Twenty twenty one Us president could up six per. I'm excited about that. But I've been in the real estate business for twenty one years and I began with Coldwell banker years ago and an with Atlanta communities currently We back in two thousand ten. I joined Fiat and there were so many people there in the in the USA. As well as world. That I started thinking about. What kind of platform could I present to them to be able to put listings luxury listings on and market those listings for them right and so- doorways international was born out of that and that idea and along with a friend of Mine Joe Hartley who works with me hand in hand at Atlantic Communities? We put it together and we started with a flip magazine. And now we've achieved Better status than that on wordpress. And we've just actually merged with a company called realty hive out of Wisconsin And our doorways international actually powered by realty high. I think we're GONNA be talking about will live in. Just a little was well. You know but global exposure real estate how to see the whole new world is opportunity. I some of the facts and figures out there. We've got Seventy seven point nine billion dollars of residential cafe sales coming in two thousand nine. It was recorded through through the National Association of Realtors. Top firing a top five foreign buyers themselves coming in from China Canada India United Kingdom Mexico destinations spots. We know Florida California Texas Arizona. Believe it or not New Jersey and New York right so near New York New Jersey's in house I but forty four percent of those buys farm buyers who purchased and suburban area so guys were also talking about single family. Homes are the opportunities for a single family homes where others abroad may not have that opportunity. Seventy six percent of those far buys who purchased each has single family homes and townhomes. So there you go all right. I'm is there four percent of respondents? Who worked as an international seller? And we'RE GONNA be talking about that and engaging in programs such as at home of diversity such as CIP SRI programs themselves certified international property specials. That's offered through the National Association because we what real estate education are especially in a natural sectors is very important one point four million which is a billion but it's not one point four million plus real estate professionals in the country and guys. If I'm not mistaken let's just say somewhere about the top thirty eight hundred added at one point. Four million are only certified international property specialists. And so when you start taking a look at some of those numbers of facts and figures. The opportunity is endless. All right so as we're talking about this morning getting involved networking prospect and tools. Resources listing property okay. Kristen somewhat about what's going on with this international side right now from of course. Yeah well I WANNA eight one perspective. I is that when the market turned. You know the. Us was on sale. America was absolutely on sale. And I think that created such an opportunity and I think it introduced international buyers to markets. They never even considered before because it was just like. Oh well of course you have New York. Of course you have. La and those are still the dominant markets. But now it's so much more of where the top universities at you know what we're seeing by Georgia. Tech there's a ton of international buyers buying by Georgia Tech and emory and it doesn't even matter if their kids are of college age or they're buying the top district in Johns Creek because they want to be in a top school district and maybe they'll get there in a few years so I think there's there's the right now need and there's also that aspirational buyer is well which is very interesting versus humor. But what about the from your perspective of international individuals coming in? You're looking at a whole new marketing marketing to a whole new level. We're always at the national and then the new relationships building out there to get the and build that relationship from overseas to having someone ready willing able capable panel at here in the United States. What do you see what we've done with doors? International is give agents the opportunity to market to more than sixty countries On that platform as we as we connect with realty. Hi We're looking at two hundred countries so we have a broad span of players that were playing to basically buyers that were playing to and and I feel like that When you can put it on the market today and have interest tomorrow from From the Netherlands from from France from these other locations around the world. That's pretty. That's pretty neat to be able to touch those people that quickly. We also have more a marketing company that we partnered with in California. And it's it's geared toward the luxury market only and they go into thirty countries tried and proven countries abroad that are big buyers in the USA. So anytime we touch our real estate We touch a piece of real estate for the seller. They get that exclusive treatment into all. The different countries could superb. I mean the tool technology has certainly helping our right. What are you know around the the lines themselves? Just talk about people themselves that The international mls really made a gateway out there We start taking a look at people money of making it easier and make the transition to bring money here in the United States huge right and so what could we see our Chris. What are you say for? Seventy seven point nine. We've got as high as one hundred eighty one billion dollars a cash pay sales coming into the United States are that I've seen are that I train and teach all over the country but yeah that numbers failed a little bit. What are the things? I'm cells that we can see to add. We help with bringing more internationals or knowing or getting more into into individuals professionals professionals involved and the international side. There's a lot of questions. Well I think I think in bringing more professionals in Like I'm really excited about the event there. We're going to have here under bret twelve. Because it's all about helping people create an international business networking plan. Because you can't do anything without a plan so you just don't want to throw things out there but you know. Who Do you want to target? Why do you want to target them? And maybe it's just not people coming out but it also might be people who went to seek another country to live at so you know we wanna look at both ways. But the education I think is really understanding Those professionals coming to get a plan and to incorporating that CIP s in there because you know otherwise. How do you know that in Germany? It's a closing ceremony instead of closing you you learn a lot of the nuances To help bridge those gaps when you're meeting New People wherever they are exactly when it comes down to you know. I think people need to know what we do. But we also have to have the skills tools and techniques to bring it to them. Here's the opportunity where we're bringing all different marketing. Avenues in bringing different types of podcasting margin at Ripon guesting in video and networking and brain networks. Together I think individuals themselves on the international side one. Oh you exist. They just don't have to find you. So you quote unquote still that secret agent out there all right but I think hugh over the many years themselves both being present international castles and things of this nature I it was tough to get the word out. It was and it has been and it still is because when you hear the word fiance which is an acronym for the French statement the International Real Estate Federation right people people say what is that is that is that a secret society that you belong to and then that's your opportunity to tell what it's about you know. We're three thousand members strong today. We have seventy countries that we actually had membership in. And we've been able to tap into into Other professions it's not just real. Estate is not real estate agents that are participants. It's urban planners landscapers architects interior designers attorneys. Cpa's that's just a small group of the people that participate and are part of the membership that we offer our that we have and I think that just giving agent's knowledge of what we do in how we do it Cps played a great role in me learning about customs true of other countries and how to do business with them What we're trying to do is teach people more than customs. It's actually how to do business. And with the three thousand networks. Strong that we're that we have at our fingertips and if you travel and meet these people face to face and form the relationship with those people. Then that's your database. Sort is exactly and the database that crm a customer relation management system becomes extremely crucial. I believe the international arena is getting bigger already and the amount of capable individuals themselves are getting smaller. You know and I think we can do a lot more. And I think that's what we're bringing at that level of education to bring it to the full and forefront. Hey guys today. We're we're talking with you. Gillam already and Christian Ross. Hugh is a contact information. Seven zero seven one four seven nine six one. You can also reach you at hugh at Hugh Gillam dot net Mesa and Christian Ross at dot e it's a Ev. Atlanta DOT COM. Actually I would say it's probably easier to find me. At Christian sold DOT COM CHRISTIAN SOLD IT DOT com. I'll platform love it already. In the contact information we have up there to contact numbers. Four three zero nine one zero nine eight. It's been number. We'll get it back there. Hey you know. We talked about getting involved. We've talked about networking and prospecting tools and resources and different marketing avenues. And what's at the fingertips are for newer agents coming into the International? We're always looking out there for newer people to come in to do what we're doing. Okay but I know we've got some events and programs and training and classes and podcast and videos and need I say more are coming up. What'S COMING UP CHRISTIAN SO FEBRUARY. Twelfth we have our international business networking Creating International Business Networking class and that will be held at Chart Studios Resort Studio Awesome. Here that's an infomercial. That'll be at eleven thirty. And then I will leave it to you to talk about our symposium. We're very excited about that with our free APP see. Us Council Hugh. What's a symposium about symposiums? Coming up may the set first second third but actually the second is open to the public and the tickets ticket. Sales will take place beginning in the next two to three weeks It's what we're doing is is coming up with a theme called the next generation of housing trends and there's GonNa be a multitude of ideas explored that day and and one specific one. We're we're going to focus on is The wellness communities We can't give any more than that but remember. We're speaking with the individual that that hopefully will be presenting that Later on this week. But that's just one element and your we've got the Symposium on Peachtree West Peachtree at the Medical Academy Georgia Tech owns that venue. And there's a two hundred and thirty seat theater there and so we're asking the general public that would like to know more about what's happening in the world. What's happening in Residential Trans Commercial Trends? Have to call one of US Christian or myself and make plans to attend good deal superb. So it's like it's an open invitation. Rit We just need it. You know. We'll get the information out. The ones that are inch interested. Call in now. Let us know about their interest. And then we'll pick up telephone numbers and email addresses and give them all the information as soon as that profile is put together for the The second good if you need additional information not too as well for those cheap seats would be eight hundred number eight eight eight nine six six zero eight seven eight. We'll make sure we forward that at eight. Eight eight nine six six zero eight seven eight. You become Richard Direct all right. Hey guys. Let's get back into what we talk. International for the BUZZWORD already in real estate. Today's global beginning with North National Association. Relevance has put a giant sized. Buzz out there for many many years of the world is going global already so following down with state boards from the National Association promoting CPS those nations. We talked about out there and most state boards having global committees. And we're seeing more that starting to come. So we're seeing this global network. Really start to open up in our very own backyards right and so within the Fiat C not mistaken six councils seven councils nationwide right twelve twelve so I was just off by six but with those councils everybody doing what we're doing here in Atlanta is everybody is a is it. A combined movement is a combined Kind of teamwork effort to really get the word out there. It is it is and our responsibility and now Christians responsibility locally or you get that one up real quick and the southeast is to is to grow membership to make people aware of how to do business with other countries and typically what we do in a council is have four maybe five events per year and bring content. That's that's usable for the person wanting to become an international agent and then we have at least two members only meetings because we we need to give back to the members to so these are these are items that are planned. Christians already planned these for twenty twenty two. Just let the members soak it up there and carry away pieces of information nuggets. That are going to help them. Right exactly Christian here okay. Atlanta's being the home for a lot of different service and manufacturing all right. We lost service industries here Atlanta also Homo Hartsfield. Airport are the largest army base airport in the country right now already for participation flow. Okay he got Savannah out there If you live in a second largest port but it'd be outside of Savannah's the third largest port in the country all right so we have a lot of influx of trade international We Have A. We've talked about the other day. We were talking about this. What fifty seventy nine. Seventy nine counties out of no out of seventy nine counties was seventy nine hundred eighty six again. My corrected again. Fifty Eighty six out of one hundred fifty nine counties in the state of Georgia. All right that are involved in international transactions. Okay that's a large number so Christian you've got a lot to put on the plate. All right coming from a huge just gave you okay from the opposite and to really bring a lot of that traffic so we've got a lot. I guess. Opportunity to work with a lot of agencies a lot of other councils and people themselves in the state of Georgia and Atlanta too. His will definitely I mean. We are such as supply chain logistics hub. And I think some people don't realize how much they can do here There's a company that just opened called salt box. And you know we've all these tech companies now and Just this emergence of talent coming here and also staying here but I love it because there's a million co working spaces but salt boxes for the people who are logistics base. Hey I have oetzi products I WANNA get out. I you know I have inventory and I just can't have a desk. I need space to be in. So I think that goes to the city that we're in and just with that logistics with Hartsfield airport and all of those different and all of our companies that we have here amazing amazing. So what are some of the plans and things themselves carrying are from Hugh? Yes the legacy out there. And now the some tough shoe to fill. But the legacy. What are some of the new things? I'm extremely excited. You guys know me itself of being internationally tied okay Everything I talk about. Real estate itself is has an international base. All right coming out of the gates very early on. Cps was one of the many designations that I hold out there all right through the National Association. Realtor is a certified international property specialist. Okay and so times change. The curriculum change the education shares. People have changed behaviors and and just the way people act work. Grow communicate has changed. Hr Job what are some of the things themselves we need to instill aren't how can we get the word out to international folks? Ed -LANTA is the place to be. You know I think video just continues to be huge and very targeted marketing You know understanding that if someone is in is in China how do we? How do we go behind the firewall? And and catch those people that. If someone's in Australia I had a client. Who called me from Australia? They were in Birmingham. They were looking to buy in Birmingham. None of the agents picked up the phone so the first thing is agents. Pick up your phone And so then they saw my video and then they called me and I sold them five houses in Atlanta. So but then you know then it goes to understanding okay superannuation fund which is the equivalent to our 401k. So you know it's like under you have to keep educating yourself and I think that's so important for agents to understand is that you don't get this client and just oh great to have someone no you need to understand the tax laws. You need to have your team that you're creating around you for currency so many things. I think it's building. That team is huge. Do you think hugh so. Many agents themselves professionals okay. We talked about the numbers. One point four million Pull away shy away from international transaction national business or tying within the national folks themselves when it comes to a real estate transaction you know. I'm not sure why they pull away but I just knew. It takes a lot of a lot of education just like a short cylinder and a lot of thought. A lot of ideas about what their customers is. All about. Right and customs. Big Terry Morrison wrote the book. All right kiss bound which is a tremendous book when it talks about building customs in relation. We also talk about those individuals themselves. Do you really need to speak a foreign language to really need to speak a go to a foreign country Some of those things that may be holding people back. I want to say no. Yes but no no no yes impossibly. But it all depends on your evolvement okay and through the curriculum through the education learning. You know you've got certain sectors. We were talking about Asia. Pacific Rim all right which also encompasses India which also encompasses Australia are. And then you've got European and the Europe side and then we've got the Americas both north and South America and we've got a fourth region out there all right but for argument's sake so we're going to be talking about here asia-pacific we're GonNa be talking about the Americas we're talking about Europe all right. Everybody gets into the international perspective because they had a relationship somewhere along the lines. We all say this is a religious building business. So why not expand on that? What does the problem wire? People themselves specially professionals. It's like saying professional itself should go out and invest in real estate which they don't You've got the tools of the trade huckabee not investing. You know you got the tools of the trade from an international perspective all right to take on the World Magic. Take on a war. How come the not just taken taken the attorneys out there? What do you think I think they're not because it's you know it comes from Just identity in general you know a Lotta Times you want identify with people who are like you and so I think it's somewhat of okay. Let me just go after my friends. Let me go after my previous business associates. Let me go back to those relationships with anybody. I'M NOT GONNA make mad which are easier forming relationships. You know it's it's more work so if that person doesn't want more work probably gonna we say the sewage shipbuilding business release is all about people. It's a people business okay. But then a base. While I really don't like people in her own business I don't know you know but here. It is from the national perspective. I think what we were heading what we're leading into is that we have the tools skills knowledge and those techniques we can bring into the education and we can bring those in through agencies and councils all right through what fiance is doing and what some of the other councils of cells across the country are doing some of the technologies and tools themselves. We have at our fingertips are huge and just getting out. There and working with different types of serum systems are so we can build that relationship one person at a time. That's going to be huge. I so what can we do crystal? How do we bring these people to Atlanta? Or how did we get the agents are to say? Hey look there's another opportunity. I'm not asking you to stop doing and your business right now. I'm asking you to add a small. Bit of portfolio are small bit two percent three percent maybe one or two transactions. I tell people time if I could give you one more transaction a month with that change your world. Yes it would. Okay yes okay. And so because a lot of agents themselves a predicated on that what and result in the ought to go to the end of the Rainbow. And so how what can we do? What can we do differently? I think it's really creating a plan and coming to come into our fancy meeting going to an Aria meeting You know next time you travel make sure to make plans to stop into a real estate office. Look look at the office that's nearby and a lot of resorts actually have real estate Stores are excuse me offices on site sometimes so you know just just taking an extra effort to see wherever you traveled to. How can you incorporate and learn something from that opportunity to incorporate into your business huge huge? Who What do you think? Here's another thing I mean. Vacation know like like Christian said if you go on a vacation if you're in the Dominican Republic go to developments right talk to them about what their building they would love to advertise in the USA. Sure about their products there. And it's it's about thinking outside the box and about getting outside the comfort zone Education and networking is key not just locally but worldwide We had our seventieth Congress and Russia in May of last year. It'll be in the Philippines this year in May the end of May so it's about getting on planes flying to these places and it's expensive but it's an investment in yourself. Sure and if your plan for that investment or you'd be able to read the benefits. Hopefully he'll talk about you know here. Atlanta itself Gaza. So we're looking to really develop a stroke of good disgruntle good foothold or especially International. We see residential folks themselves and keeping aimless that are doing advertising marketing. Different ways of doing a tremendous business okay. Fifty six to fifty percent of the individuals themselves out of the one point four million less than one transaction a year okay and that's reported clocked to the National Association relatives which is crazy but now we're inviting people themselves. Hey come to the other side of the fence you know come to the other side of the world and and really experience something very special and unique when it comes down to working or developing that relationship with international folks are really engaging so sophia here all right and so we're you know here. We talked about it before Christian. We've slight conversation itself putting HMS Resource Center for for Atlanta so individuals. Themselves have a place to call. Its many a time itself. I'm traveling across the country and doing types of programs in training classes and things of this nature where individuals to say. Hey Rich I've got a guy that's move into here. But he's GonNa here he's going to start in. Arizona gets Canada from Canada's going down to Florida. Not a prompt. Can you help? Yes without a doubt. Most agents themselves were shy away and having those tools in your back pocket and having that level of education is going to be huge. And that's what we hope to instill here Atlanta's a great landing zone already if you just parachuting in bed or your landing into Hartsfield Airport okay Stop or what a great opportunity out here. All right guys. We're going to be closing up the show all right and so I want to welcome you both coming down a sharing the insight. What's happened the International Perspective Christian? One thing that you want to leave our audience with Just do it Nike. Ain't got nothing over you girl. Jewish no without a doubt without a doubt just out there. Don't be afraid to put your toes and water especially from that standpoint. Most individual got into real estate. I work with buyers. Why because binders easy and because then they eventually graduated graduated into other types of Protestant listeners. Or maybe they got themselves key holed into a certain product of certain certain neighborhood to a certain price range. We're asking to take a step out and wild side and do some things themselves a totally different when it comes to international side exciting people and you get some exciting food too as well as long as much out of my plate in looking back in life is good. I know I've been there. Tell you without a doubt Hugh One last thing you WanNa leave us at two things. Go on February the Twelfth Retard Studios be here and take a little step into the water and learn about what this international business plan is all about number two number two mark may the second on your calendar and call into rich heart studio and hear more about the symposium. Yeah 'cause you need to be a part of that symposium and that'll be the next two steps into the international arena. You can't hold yourself back. You'LL WANNA go. That's February. February twelfth may second that's correct Studios located at Twenty Thirty Powers Ferry Road Southeast Suite two seventy and good old downtown Atlanta Georgia three zero three nine three zero three three nine if you need to reach us in regards to ask questions of that of course. Info AT RICH HEART DOT COM INFO I N. F. O. at R. I. C. H. H. A. R. T. dot com. You can reach actually Christian or are Hugh at the same token or Dallas. Free Toll. Free out there. Eight eight eight nine. Six six zero eight seven eight so guys. I think we've had a super day. What do you think? Welcome to the taste of the international perspective as I wanNA welcome and thank you okay. Christian. That's my pen for Christian. Thank you very much for joining us today. Hugh thank you very much for joining us. And if you guys don't mind would love to have you back on future segments. Were talking a little bit more deeper. Some of these international spy. You guys willing to come back definitely. I think they really want public themselves in our view. Our listeners really want to hear what's going on in Nashville. Hey other than that. His Ricciardi Abe going to just bow out right now. Thank you very much for joining Richard. Sherline will see real soon God bless.

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#63 Winning at the Self-publishing Game with Hugh Howey

The Knowledge Project with Shane Parrish

1:36:11 hr | 1 year ago

#63 Winning at the Self-publishing Game with Hugh Howey

"I think the the feeling that we know we should have made these better decisions earlier. For some reason re instead of learning from that it actually paralyzes us. It makes us feel like all the moments in my life where i could have seized the opportunity. Ahead of me are all gone. I guarantee in another five or ten years. You're gonna look back at today. As the day that you had the free time the inclination the talent to change your life <music> <unk> low and welcome. I'm shane parrish and this is is the knowledge project to podcast exploring the ideas methods and mental models and hope you learn from the best of what other people have already figured out. You can learn more staff to date date. The podcast at f. s. dot blog slash podcast. We're terrible at marketing but we have a newsletter called brain food. It comes out every sunday it short short and sweet and full of the best content we've come across all week that's worth reading and thinking it contains quotes book recommendations articles and so much more most most of the guests on this show read it so make sure to check it out. You can find it at f. S. dot blogs slash newsletter. That's f. s. dot blogs slash newsletter on the show. Today is author extraordinaire and world sailor hugh howey. We're gonna talk about way finding the ancient art of navigating by paying attention to natural signs the benefits of travel and what people have in common all over the world and in the last part of the show we're going to deep dive or geek out on the publishing hughes sold millions of and he knows the ins and outs if you wondered how to go from the writing process to publishing and what some of the pitfalls are you don't wanna miss since roster gonna talk about some of the things that he does differently with his books including giving away a book like wall and what that means and what the implications are. It's time to to listen and learn <music> before we get started. Here's a quote from our sponsor. This episode is sponsored by mud mud as masala chai as coffee alternative that improves your focus the for medicinal mushrooms that are in mud. Give you the benefits of coffee but avoid the dreaded caffeine crash. You have trouble sleeping at night or can't remember the last time you dreamt try. Mudd is your new morning ritual instead of coffee we had here at the office and everyone loves it. If you're wondering it tastes like china and chocolate. If you wanna try go to mud water dot com and enter farnum barnum at the checkout for ten dollars off that's m._u._d. W. t. r. dot com and enter the code farnum for ten dollars off human. I'm so happy to talk to you right now. They happened to be on your on a boat in australia is correct. That's correct is a remarkable world. We live in where i can be an ottawa canada in the middle of a snowstorm right now and you're halfway across the world literally and on a boat and and we we have this connection. It's kinda neat. Yeah that's weird. <hes> yeah forgotten that snow exists but that's a sounds awful. I wish i could forget that snow. How how did you following the summer for a while now. So how did you fall in love with sailing <hes> probably about. I don't know nine or ten years. There's all we used to go to the beach. Every <hes> i grew up in <hes> near charlotte north carolina a bit inland but we went to the beach every every year for a couple of weeks and one of the first i think i would do is drag this little <hes> they're called sunfish is there's this little dinghies tiny little sales but for for my asia felt like i was <hes> <hes> like launching the titanic. This thing was like really a a pain to move around by yourself. It was kind of like a million task when my brother and sister were running around in choosing which bedroom there are going to have dragging this thing down to the sound and launching it and trying to get the mastan by myself and <hes> yeah i would just spend all day days sailing around the sound in this little thing and even then was dreaming about <hes> sailing to the other side of the world which at the time was always china <hes> we used to dig take holes in the sand in particular digging awaited china's little kids and <hes> and so yeah. It's been a gym mine for thirty thirty plus years to do this and it's got crazy that i've made it this far on this trip because it was just a just a fantasy for so long and you're selling around the world old yeah. The goal was to take about five years. I started in south africa <hes> over three years ago about three and a half years ago and <hes> sailed across the atlantic and pacific so far and of course i'm not doing it. Direct them really meandering when i went across the atlantic at the caribbean when all the way up to <hes> maine main and then worked my way back down spent <hes> about six weeks in cuba and then but down to the panama canal across the pacific <hes> if i was trying to wrap this up i keep sailing north along the australian coast and across the indian ocean to south africa but a fall in love with this part of the world someone to do a couple little <hes> loops between here new zealand <unk> tried to get back to fiji in the next month or so. It's been one of my favorite. Stop so far and are you on the boat alone. <hes> now i've got a girlfriend on right now. Oh but <hes> i've done some long passes by myself which is pretty fun and but i have friends and family members <hes> join me here and there like for new years in australia australia we had seven of us live on the boat and anchored out right in front of the sydney opera house and the that the foreground and the <hes> the harbour bridge in the background and all the fireworks it was unbelievable so i've always got people who <hes> eager to come and join sexually more of a challenge to keep <hes> keep the boat semi empty and do you. Do you work better when attempt to you or do you work better. When people are around as far as writing the writing i write better but zero distractions. I can write with like background noise. I could sit in a cafe with a lot of <hes> clatter flatter and chattering right really well and <hes> i can write in pitch-black with absolute silence but if i'm in the middle of writing and someone someone asked a question it sucks when i'm writing actually seeing the story like i'm watching a movie. I'm just trying to describe the action and <hes> transcribed the dialogue. As long as i'm hearing it and anything that captures my attention away from the story makes it really hard knife again. I wanna come back to writing a little bit later. 'cause i really wanna do not only deep dive on writing in your process also on publishing <hes> but before we get there i wanted to dive into a little bit more but sailing sailing and <hes>. I think you called it way. Finding what is way finding finding <hes> specifically it's the art of navigating across the oceans using natural science and not using g._p._s. cirque even a compass but using the stars the direction of the <unk> setting a rising sun cloud patterns the temperature of the water signs of migration from wildlife and we'd we now know that that's how all the pacific nick islands the general progress of migration across the pacific. <hes> was <hes> very deliberate and skill based. We used to <hes> <hes> because of the terrible sections we have about primitive people even though they had the same brain power that we have and a lot more free time in less distraction to employ you know we assume that they just drifted downwind and settled the islands accidentally but even someone who set off from <hes> south america to to try to prove this <hes> <hes> cameras name now but a built a raft drifted on the currents and made it to <hes> i think the galapagos but <hes> <hes> we now know another guy set out from new zealand with a boat to show that you could sail into the wind without any need navigation equipment and find any island you wanted to find and he proved that you know these people have done that and since then a team left from <hes> <hes> hawaii with the traditionally built boat and use only the stars navigating <unk> around the world and actually ran into them several times on this a shared a couple of harbors with them and <hes> yeah so <hes> finding is basically just relying on observing what's around you instead of a reliance on technology and for me. It's always there's been some significance to that as like a self betterment principle so you know like just trying to that the technology aside every now and then and and say like okay. We're going to be in life. <hes> what what are on my relationship connections right now. What am i feeling. What am i doing what mistakes i made one of my proud of how realign which direction do i want to go and be really deliberate about the choices we make in the direction that we go in life because <hes> honestly i i realized for myself and i fight true for a lot of people that i was just kind of drifting with the current like the guy who left from south america <hes> all those years ago <hes> kind of doing whatever came naturally next and i wasn't employing a lot of free yeah well. I think i think most of us know if we analyse very hard. That will is definitely not free. We make a lot of promises to ourselves around january anyway i every year and by february brig sauce did from trying to budge are natural inclinations and our bad habits so the learning that that will is very expensive. <hes> made me want to be a little more observant about you know what i was doing and where i wanna go and push that direction so there's a there's a lot of parallels between this sailing adventure and also adventure navigating through life. What are some of the other things that you've learned you bet yourself through sailing and a lot of time in solitude and a lot of experience different cultures around the world through your travels yet. The cultural experiences have been amazing <hes>. I've always loved to travel but there's something about when you travel to paris in you in a get out of the airport and you have some friends with you or a loved one you spend a lot of time with that person and you dip into the culture you have some of the foods in you have encounters encounters with strangers and you kind of get a sense of what that cultures like but if you have to go study abroad and you live in a a dorm or an apartment and you spend months and you start picking up the language and your grocery shopping and cooking with whatever's available <hes> in that place instead of eating out <hes> that extra time that deep immersion gives you a much better sense of the flavor of the culture and the crazy thing about traveling like this is that i'm i'm taking my home with me. You know i have my kitchen ever ago so i'm always buying groceries and <hes> learning local recipes and i'm having locals tells you know come stay with me on the boat and like in french <hes> let's see in fiji. I had a large family. Come on and do a <hes> <hes> <hes> cermony like right on the boat and <hes> a lot of these. What is that ceremony kava. Is this route that they grind up almost like a cheese grater into a powder mixed with water and if you drink it it gives you a bit of a ause makes you your lips go numb and it's strange the opposite of alcohol in a way that the more you drink it the more sensitive you get to instead of developing a tolerance actually develop a sensitivity so young people who grow up and it's actually spreading around because you can't <hes> the f._d._a. Has <hes> like said this. This is very safe wake you can't o._d. On it <hes> what's weird about it is if you get drunk on kava. Your brain is completely. Lucid like you do did not get a mush mush thoughts but your body goes completely numb. So the people who are like i've met a lot of experts people who moved to vanuatu's specifically because they're cobb is like ten times stronger <hes> and <hes> they moved there basically because of how much they love of this comedy experience and if they if you live there long enough you get what the local skit which is this incredible sensitivity to it and if you drink it with an empty stomach <hes> which is like necessarily if you have any kind of food in your stomach get diluted and you get a very little effect but if you've done it for a while and you drink drink with an empty stomach it only takes like two little half coconuts of this milky <hes> muddy looking flow a lot of people say it tastes like mud. I think it tastes fine but i guess it's one of those things that's <hes> you know very individual basis but <hes> yeah basically just separate your brain from your body. Leave your brain intact d. Do you remember these things like after like when your body sort of light comes back there. You've your brain is you're completely. We clear the whole time. There's no blacking out. There's just like complete <hes> i don't know how to it's like an out of uh-huh experience in that your body just kind of disappears like you lose you lose motor function but your brain is the same as it is right now like you and i would have it. It's like forced meditations best thing i can say because you you can't do anything except be alone with your thoughts kinda cool. I don't know but i've really only experienced it to that level. A couple of times normally when you first started just going to get like a cotton mouth and tinley loops in your brain unifil glass of wine. Maybe ran as crazy glory jeb people really getting into this and other kava bars popping up in other countries trees. I've seen them in the u._s. As well and so how does how does that aid your perspective on yourself and sort of like maybe our existence we wanna go up to philosophical gaulle level. Oh yeah usually started asking about what have i learned from different cultures <unk> grant the craziest thing from these deeper merchants in these cultures like hell universal human nature is in how similar we are everywhere and we really focus on very slight differences in order to to try to group people or make it easy for ourselves. You know to assign labels to different groups but the things that we have uncommon are so numerous. I think we've taken for granted. It's almost like if you look at the body plan of most mammals like a even a human in a dog doug. The similarities are crazy like yo you can spend days just making list of all the things that are similar in the bone layout number instructor instructor in the way down to the <hes> cellular level the way might andrea powers like we have so much d._n._a. In common and what we make really a big deal out of his that two percent of us that's different and i think that's what i found. These cultures like you <unk>. I was raised hearing. Americans are overweight. We have terrible diets and it turns out. That's just what happens when you're wealthy enough mm to afford basically unhealthy foods when you have an unlimited <hes> <hes> basically budget for food. You're gonna eat too much and and in every country is going to have to figure out how to deal with this population gets out of a global poverty and so some of the biggest <hes> <hes> a population physical size wise are like these these islanders that used to be in great shape until they got access to our kind of diet so and then with what's interesting is that we ended up blaming the first cultures that experience these things instead of realizing that as a universal <hes> a challenge in that we can <hes> learn from each other instead of blame each other for the way these things spread and <hes> while there's some sadness to that like you see the same <hes> disdain for the environmental pollution in some of those beautiful places in the world of caribbean islands have the worst and saddest <hes> levels of pollution in that i've ever seen <hes> he also realized that there's this universal of <hes> people who've learning from their mistakes and so the younger generation in almost every culture into is better than the previous generation and they're going to correct these problems at their parents grandparents have made and of course their kids. The grandkids are going to be even better than them. So <hes> i in some ways that universal human nature makes me sad also gives me a lot of hope. What are some of the other ways that you've found that were alike in sort of like a counter intuitive sense things that you wouldn't may be dissipated or didn't realize or you know love love of home is something that really struck me. <hes> i'm a fan of open borders. I think people should be able to live wherever they wanna live in the world as long as they observe the the local laws and pay the taxes you know if you <hes> if you obey all the the codes of conduct of of the place that you choose to live whatever those most people choose to send us the rules. You should be able to live anywhere. It's no different than the freedom. We have to <hes> you know i want to live in the u._s. And have like twenty kids. That's that's legal but one person coming in as illegal. It's kind of a weird weird. <hes> distinction that we make between population appellation growth you know as long as it's not the other than we celebrate population growth if it's the other than we fear it <hes> but i think if we had open borders the amount of the people that would actually move would be much lower than people realize because i visited someplace that are just life is so difficult there and the idea for most of the people that they would leave is crazy to them. This is their home. They feel rooted to the soil they all their memories and their family connections are there and convincing everyone of their extended family to all leave at the same time as difficult that don't even considers it so i think that's been really surprising to me because for those of us who have wander lost or who dream of living wherever they want to think we forget that most people aren't like that most people are really happy <hes> to have <hes> <hes> more grounded and more sedentary. 'em honestly like i don't want other people to be like me. I think that's a weird <hes> <hes> human. It's ah part of human nature we all kind of want to people similar to actually want to change people be more like us for some reason i think because we're we feel scared alone with our <hes> <hes> our thoughts or arm insecurities. Do you think we've always felt scared. Alone of our thoughts and our insecurities and technology may be accelerating that or do you think this this is like in part due to technology shortening attention span distracting us and how do you think about that. I think technology he is changing us quite a bit but insecurity thing. I think comes from in most of what our brain is built forest theory of mind. It's like the reason we had and <hes> the reason. Our brains are much larger compared to our body size than almost any other animal. Most of that computing power is doing is trying to figure out what other people are thinking thinking and then second level third level theory mind like what are they thinking. I'm thinking what what does tom think jane thinks about me kind of stuff and and we're constantly computing this because we're we're supposed to be living in a small enough tribe that we know everybody. If you see someone you don't know you should probably like run and get enough of the people do to help defend against this person you don't <hes> and we can we can look kempson and the great apes to <hes> really figure out a lot of like what are where we came from and what are natural income inclinations are <hes> so <hes> trying to figure out what everyone's thinking since you live in this tried that's connected and you all know each other. You want to know what your police is. You want to figure out what everyone else's places. What are their motivations. Are they doing that thing and what might they do next. And how are you going to plan for that and the source of so much anxiety comes from this constant computation of what is going on. Everyone else's heads <hes> and there's a lot of game theory syria involved. I love studying game theory because so much there's so much overlap between that and psychology in trying to understand why we make really silly decision. Sometimes when you peel back the game theory a little bit of <hes> maybe some uncomfortable logic but there's some logic behind a lot of these <hes>. We are decisions that we make so list of what we're doing. Is this <hes> theory of mind in that anxiety of like convincing people to think more like you think comes from that <hes> and <hes> just wanting to know for sure what people are thinking and having <hes> connection at trust and honesty <hes> is it's so rewarding and i think the reason it is because it takes away some of that constant computation of what what's on people's minds when you know that you can trust someone you no longer have to do those sorts of things you have a partner in uncovering formation and that's why we love spreading stories and gossip and and things like that the water cooler talk <hes> but happened around campfires and latrines back in the day and i think <hes> those things are universal technology is just <hes> allowing us to use them away. That's probably unhelpful and <hes> it's like the same thing technologists for our brains which sugar is for our gut in our our bodies have natural craving for cheap calories and our brains of unnatural craving for connection and what sugar is doing to do you know fatness up because we weren't prepared for this bounty of cheap calories. Will we weren't prepared for this bounty of free connection and i think that's like there's an equivalent to fat for brain that we don't really have the vocabulary to to figure out or discuss like we have haven't been doing this long enough to figure out what this mental obesity epidemic is like but definitely think it's happening and it's going to be something that we're happy to like figure how to backfire security seeing that you've seen people go on technology kind of diet because we understand that something bad is happening. We were you an avid user of technology before you started tailing around the world the still unlike the biggest geek and <hes> i like early adopter on everything. I love gadgets. It's an upgrading stuff love reading manuals. My first career is in computer repairs. I was like building computers in highschool out of spare parts and <hes> you know down like the soldering level and and <hes> like chip level stuff and haunting radio shack and building things had like five fifty five timer chips and and l._e._d. Season anything i could scrape together <hes> so <hes> but like one of my one of my very favorite people in been lucky to call the friend and and travel and spent a lot of time living with them as kevin kelly who was the first editor of wired magazine and kevin wrote. A great book called what technology wants which i think everyone should read <hes>. It's really a primer on what technology is what is trying to do if we want to. Anthropomorphized <hes> <hes> kevin is one of the he knows more about gadgets technology that just about anybody he has like podcast called cool tools where he's always telling people the best last like three things for anything you can imagine and he's been writing about technology for decades but he's also so <hes> <hes> removed from technology like he analyzes every new piece of technology that puts into his life and how it's going to impact whether or not he should adopt it and this this is something i think we should pay attention to the there's people we've had these stories. Come out about people in <hes> big positions in tech companies who won't let author children use the products that they make that made them wealthy and is very similar to like a football player not letting their kid play football because they know the brain damage and that the terrible herbal effects that this could have on the physically and these engineers who've components like look. I realized we're trying to make this as our product as addictive as humanly possible possible and seeing the links will go to that makes me like tell my kids you're not allowed to use it and actually give us pause and it should highlight the fact that some of the people who like kevin even who spend the most time with technology in the most time thinking about it and its impact are the people who are much worry about it. I think should give more of us pause. About what did they know that we don't know what can we learn from them. You know without having to spend the time that they've spent <hes> <hes>. That's what great great thing about. Expertise and sharing hiring is a shortcut to someone else's wisdom and i've i've listened to kevin about this stuff like the technologies fascinating and his <hes> primates <unk> mates who love <hes> inventing exploring. We should totally gig out about it but we should also be worrying about what habits reforming. What do you think that we end end up in a play like wh- what do you think the future looks like in five years. I don't want to lead you with my question but like can you give me like fast forward in your mind five years from now and the role of technology technology on people does it become almost <hes> socioeconomic. Does it become pervasive as it increasingly like embedded in us as humans like what do you think i think five years we won't see much change will recognize the world in five years and i think that's true of any five years in history and i'm i'm not sure that things are changing as drastically now as they were a hundred years ago which is everyone thinks that we live in craziest of times that things are changing the most because we're going through them but i think going from <hes> horses to <hes> to flight <hes> in in a very short period of time and the electrification of of the world was <hes> even crazier than adding internet as a layer on top of that. I think there'd been crazy times but even then any five year period korea was recognizable change happens you know incrementally and slowly <hes> i think the biggest things in five years will be <hes>. We'll probably probably see more regulation of social media <hes> especially in europe. I don't think it will happen in the u._s. For a long time <hes> but <hes> we'll have countries countries <unk> especially the e._u. Saying like you have to make your product <hes> safer which is a long time coming and i think we'll have more conversations in five years about <hes> the the <hes> worth of our personal data and how we should have more ownership on how that data's used i <hes> i think that what's one thing that's really scary is knowing what's real and what's not like these deep fake videos are. We're getting really really good and <hes> impart. Impersonating people and stealing identities is getting very easy and i think proving we are who we the report to be two strangers or something that will have to figure out the next five years <hes> and maybe in five years self driving cars become <hes> there there pervasive enough to alter the way that we interact with <hes> transportation like globally and i think we'll it just started to see the first glimmers of that in five years ten years that will be the world will look completely different the same way that the iphone is only a little over ten years old and that made the world completely different self driving cars will be the next thing that will just change everything like it. It's hard to even <hes> like we'll do more reading and more listen to podcasts because of this and it's hard to appreciate that because the the ideal all these transportation hours to do other things like this ripple effects in so many different directions is going to be incredible and car ownership has become a thing that only a minority of humans even own a car because of the way they'll <hes> they'll never be partly because every car that can try itself as a a robot basically that can earn money money by running uber routes so <hes> maybe car ownership be ten percent of what it is now is going to decimate some industries while <hes> concentrating more wealth and power to handful of tech companies which we've already seen in retail and other places <hes> you have every parking space in every cities that he's basically freed up she can have more bike lanes and parks and pedestrian friendly. Areas lives are going to be saved just going to be incredible but i think that might be ten in yours out and not five years. D you mentioned <hes> just something. I wanna hit on their little bit. I mean it sounds like in that theory. It's almost a capital intensive business model. Where if you own the cars you you'll be able to own the fleet if you own the flea. You'll have a lot of influence not only in the city but you'll just generally have a lot of influence. How do you think that plays it like you. Do you think it'd be individuals owning cars like and they contribute them to this common fleet or do you think it's like google owns a fleet of cars aw i think it'd be both i think google and we don't know who's gonna come out on top of this yet. It's always someone you don't expect. It's never the first mover we'll be tesla. It'll be <hes> and we've learned enough about disruption that it could be a big player who pivots well. It could be a g._m. Which would be surprising but as possible possible. <hes> building cars is very different from building apps at disruptions much more difficult. I think the company they'll come along kind of like like a tesla that will <hes> improve self driving will learn to trust them like the way <hes> we trusted <hes> apple's operating system over windows like imagine if in fifteen years ago apple and microsoft both building self driving cars the blue screen of death would actually be a blue screen of death and no one would put their life behind out product so they'll be a company that comes along and we'll take a handful of crashes and there's already been a few with widely publicized deaths even the these cars probably a lot safer than humans <hes> we don't have enough data yet to to say that because we have driven a you know billions billions and billions of miles as humans in these things while they've done a lot of miles also there's been some accidents and deaths so the numbers right now are a little fuzzy but it looks pretty similar but the potential is for self driving cars to be vastly safer and i think we will not the potential and whoever has a reputation the way you know saab used to have a reputation for building link these tanks that you could like the other person and the other car would definitely die but you know walkout unscathed <hes> we're going to have the self-driving equivalent of that kind of trust and that company is gonna take off but <hes> you're asking if people also in cars i think there will be <hes> individuals who are always tinkering and offering bespoke kind of options or people who don't trust the the big companies because if you think people are tracking tracking your location now when we're using self driving car fleets. They're gonna exactly where you're going all the time and there's going to be people not one of these people. I'm too naive when it comes to to data and i've i've been burned by a few times but i don't worry about people having access to my data but <hes> there will be enough people who have that fear sure that the one owned the old car but dawson not going to park and not haven't made the money. There's not going to be <hes> enough. People who want to you know <hes> <hes> not have that income but it'll be people who need a car that they can leave stuff and inhabit the accessible to redesign cars around that we'll be an owner compartment where you you can't get into the trunk. Even though it's this car shuttling you around <hes> it'll be a compartment that you can't get into <unk> compartment. You can't in we had to redesign designed vehicles based on this community share mode thank you. You've thought about this a lot more in terms of the future than i think i have. I appreciate you going going into so much detail. I'm curious as to how you think the ways in which we're gonna consume information is going to change in the future as well from books to magazines since two in how how does information consumption had you see that changing. I'm a little worried about that to be honest <hes> mostly for myself <hes> my book reading has really dropped off. I've been an avid reader my whole life and appeared to my life where i was reading a book day. Those two like long long periods of my life when i was keeping up that kind of pace and <hes> i'm. I don't understand how doing that now. <hes> there's just so many things to distract time and i was doing this while i was in university. Dan had fulltime jobs and stuff so <hes> i fear that when i when i got a smartphone and started using social media that my attention span started changing and part of what's been great about sailing as it it's got me completely disconnected when i take off and get out of a range of a cell phone tower. Are you know have like no connection access for long periods of time an upload that and then i get back laying the islands in in reading a lot bona. Get back into <hes> plugged back in. I guess you could say <hes> my ability to sit and read for hours at a time is diminished and there's been great books on this. <hes> our brains are being rewired. <hes> they're still healthy reading <hes> population out there that just from <hes> spending time in in bookstores and talk into owners and <hes> much of my own enough sales in iran from other authors who are doing well. There's <hes> always new people being born. I'm going through their own. Process in kids and younger people are always a more voracious readers. I think in late in life a fun time to read but <hes> yeah yeah. I do worry about our attention span. <hes> then again i think over time we're gonna keep freeing up more and more free time more leisure time hopefully will spend a lot out of that reading <hes> but i have a hard time. Separating <hes> like large trends with what i'm going through personally and right now <hes> finding time to read is very difficult for me and i'm i'm. I should not extrapolate from that that it's a universal thing. Just try to look at the actual numbers data and see what's going. John is reading time going out now. Because i mean in theory all this technology should be freeing up time over the last twenty years and our wouldn't that bear out in sort of the i dunno at the numbers say but wouldn't we already be seeing this increasing reading time yet we are and we're filling it with the net flicks so we're. We're getting a lot more free time. We're also getting a lot more stuff to fill it with and there's just so much <hes> you know so many sports to watch and so many things to to do with your with your kids and you know hobbies and activities. They're things that we can do now. That didn't exist not that long ago so we you keep inventing ways like a trampoline part like what i was a kid. You're lucky if those someone in your neighborhood who had a trampoline rama's nemeses had these parks full full of trampolines we can go you know like <hes> magic johnson and like a fly off these trampolines and dunk basketballs and play dodge fall on trampolines and games at like keep inventing new stuff to do with our time and he's businesses doing well so people are obviously engaged in the video game industry has become become bigger than <hes>. I think the music industry it's crazy how much <hes> of our free time and i'm one of those people i love playing video games in a different way of telling only a story and you're more engaged in have more control over the story so that's really cool but you know any hour i spent. That's our spend not reading and actually what i started writing. The way i freed up time to write was just cutting out all video game play. I realized man spending a couple of hours a day. I was watching a lot of t._v. But i'll spend in a couple hours a day. Playing video games had just spent that time writing. How long would it take to to write a novel and it turns out if you take a time consuming in cabot in change it into like a second job a lot of productivity time that we're squandering or one can say just enjoying but yeah. We have a lot no more free time but there's a lot more we can do it. He make it sound so simple. You're you're one of the most popular published authors in the world and what i just heard was the key to this with. Stop playing video games and just right. That's man. That's the best writing advice you could give somebody like in the writing advice that i heard that finally broke twenty years of not being able to write a novel add an advice wasn't given to me but i was in the room while advice was given to a larger audience to one person asking the question of particular out of writing conference in virginia and i was there as a at the time i was reviewing. This is one of the periods of my life. I was reading a book day. I was getting flooded might stop. It might stoop every day with just like a pile of books from publishers. <hes> that aren't out yet advanced reading copies and i was writing writing book reviews for a website and i would like every day read a book write a review and try to interview the author and it's going to conferences and <hes> covering them as well and this is because i had given up on ever writing a book of my own at tried for twenty years since i was twelve years old and in my first hitchhikers guide to the galaxy rip-off rip-off <hes> get two or three chapters in and realized i didn't know where this is going. I didn't believe in it like when i was writing. I felt like an impostor writers. I had to be people who are much smarter than me went to university to learn how to do this with born <hes> with a writing gene in them because the parents were writers and no idea how any any this word. I just knew that i wasn't good enough for twenty years. I thought that and then <hes> the mother half of the charles todd writing do the right these historical oracle <hes> crime fiction books i just read one of them and i was in this <hes> <hes> in on this panel <hes> to basically get more incites to them for what i was writing for the website and someone in the audience asked like you know what's how do i write my first novel and caroline todd awed stood up and like slap the table and like blue our hair back just kind of yelling at the room like you stop talking about writing you stop dreaming of writing you stop telling the people you're gonna right you sit down and you write and she's like you know handclapping between each word basically as she slept on the table and <hes> and realized like all the excuses did i give myself and all the doubt and everything was right in that advice like i just need to sit down and write and the basically the only thing stopping me from being a writer was less self my insecurities and i went home from that conference in a in a finish my sign moments that things had to do but instead of picking up the next book to review it started charted sat down and started writing might first book <hes> it was the first time i've done this is the first time i completed it and man it was <hes> i i just didn't have the fear of of how good it was going to be. If anyone was going to read it if i was going to make a career out of it none of that mattered i was just going to sit and write until i got to the end of the story and i was able to do it. I give that her writing advice all the credit in the world i give the the quality that book which turned out much better than it should have to the in fact i was reading and writing reviews <hes> every day that was giving me in the habit of writing every day but it's also film ahead with like good storing good pros <hes> and so yeah that's that's finished my first novels just by someone yelling at me basically the only near me <hes> to just right and <hes> replacing a lot of other things with what day with that daily habit of writing at accumulated a lot of words and <hes> maybe a little skill and in <hes> in about a five or six year period wrote about fifty novels and some of them did well enough that now my other dream which assail around the world i think most of them did while i wanna come back to to the writing in a second here. This sounds like another sort of universal. Maybe <hes> <hes> court human nature so much of life is just living it as just doing the thing that you're you're wanting to do. We get in our own way so often back not making time not being conscious. Maybe about where our time is going and where we're putting our effort in or being scared of sort of failure or <hes> <hes> and it gets really hard right if your fear in your late twenties thirties or forties and you've never really had a setback. I mean the ability to put put yourself out there and have confidence that you can overcome whatever's going to happen is it's hard to acquire yet. It's hard according to get it gets harder with time but also get really <hes> pot heavy with our lost time i think <hes> in my writing group and north carolina though there's a lady who published her first book when she was like eighty six published her second book you know when she was a couple years after that was still riding in her nineties and <hes> really worked me up. You know there's a lot of a lot of our calcification you know a the inability like breaker status and get lot launch on lives in a different direction is feeling that we should have done it ten years ago and we've lost entity and now he can't do it but but ten years from now we're going to think the same thing about this very moment today and like so whoever's listening to this right now i i think you've told me you get like one. Hundred thousand listeners listeners about half of them already turned off because i don't know what shows paul usually a lot better than this but no this is awesome. I write the same insecurity every day by the way but <hes> you know whoever's listening right now like whenever you think you could have done five or ten years ago to change the direction of your life like you can do that right now today and make that deflection point that decision like you can't get there in one day but i'm going to start nudging. It's like there's a if there was a meteor taller coming towards the earth. You don't need to blow it up. You just need to get like a rocket up there that can just put a little bit of energy into this massive massive amount of momentum heading this way and if you can just maintain that consistent energy in one direction. It's incredible what you could deflect a ah longer to time and for me like just one hour a day of writing. You'll write a novel in a year guaranteed <hes> and if you don't care about the quality quality of that novel it'll be better than you think <hes> and then you'll learn an hour of editing a day can make that novel into something that a lot of people wanna read <hes> <hes> and you don't sit down and do that in a day just like you don't seal around the world in a day you just look at the horizon and be like i'm gonna i can sell that far and even as even as a young oh boy in a sunfish i could sail to the reisen and sailing around the world is just doing that over and over again and writing a novel is just writing a paragraph that is legible bull that tells a story. It's nice and clean as in your voice. Which is how you write emails to your friends. You do that one paragraph at a time and you will write a book and i think the the feeling that we know we should have made these better decisions earlier for some reason instead of learning from that it actually paralyzes it makes us feel like all the moments in my life. I could have seized the opportunity. Ahead of me are all gone. Mike guarantee in another five or ten years. You're gonna look back at today. As the day that you had the free time the inclination the talent to change your life life and it's not gonna be writing for most people can be learning a second language <hes> exercising <hes> getting a better relationship with your mother brother or sister. Whatever whatever the thing that you think is missing from your life <hes> learning to cook. I mean it can just be something enjoyable people that you've been putting off forever. You're putting off right now and that history of putting something off just gets worse over time until we realized that hey what's the what's the me from in ten years going to think about what i did today and that gives me a lot of power think about that future self that works in a lot of things to like relationships tips. That are terrible for you that you you know maybe they're. They're sort of like to get to leave but <hes> do bad to stay in at the same time. <hes> you know you're gonna look back back in five years wondering like why didn't i do anything five years ago and i think it reminded me when you were talking of the french proverb <hes>. I think it's french anyway which was is like the best time to have planted a tree ten years ago but the second best time is today. I love that never heard of that before but then totally sums up yeah a lot of my thinking about this stuff. What's your writing process for a book so you get an idea walk me through all the way until that becomes something that i can read in my hands <hes> most of them. Most of my writing takes place away from the keyboard so <hes> it helped working in a bookstore for years while i was writing because i was having this walk around and dust shells and <hes> re shelve books endure very like quiet wrote tasks and the whole time i'm doing them. I can daydream him about my story in the world that i'm thinking of next <hes> an often on building out several worlds and stories in my mind at the same time i'm an artist sees on whichever one's interesting to me and my head in kind of think about that world in this people in what's going to happen next and <hes> at the first time i started doing this was when i was working on yachts might <hes> twenties. I was <hes> yacht captain for about ten years and i would have these really long days of just staring at the horizon isn't the bottom autopilot <unk> sensors and the g._p._s. make sure nothing bad happen and gives you a lot of free time to to daydream and so it's much you're right when you know it's going to happen when you've built up the world had a time and had all these conversations with your characters ahead of time <hes> so that's the first part automating processes basically daydreaming that the very thing that you get in trouble when i was in school when i was actually preparing for career oh man there's so many things that we used to get in trouble for a school that turn out to be like huge advantages in life totally yeah. There's a really good ted. Talk on my favorite. Ted talks about a guy. It's a british guy. Who's <hes> <hes>. I'll try to send you the link kiss you want to add it into the or whatever <hes> but he's talking about. How like we we need to have more freedom in schools to let people figure out what their strengths are in feces someone dabbling in something and we're like supposed to be learning this like no. They wanna be learning that add. Let's push them in that direction and see how far they can take it and <hes> how much <hes> more effective our school systems would be if we had that kind of attitude towards learning and and someone if someone saw me as a kid that had been like you know give this kid implements of art let him draw and paint and <hes> and make up stories because we need storytellers you know and someone else's just like playing on the monkey bars never wants to leave the the playground like that you guys going to be a girl is going to be an olympic star gymnast and let's <hes> embrace that like the idea that an smith's the by a of teachers right like the people in charge of school are all people ended up teaching if you think about what they're trying to generate trying to generate a whole classroom full of teachers <hes> they they want us all have well rounded knowledge be really good at at school stuff and that's because the people that we've left in charge of of instruction are people who ended up valuing teaching as a career and and i say this my mom was a teacher so i'm not saying anything wrong with it. I'm just saying this is the natural bias. If you put someone around me they're going to start are picking up like a love of board games and comics sailing things into so i think <hes> you know having a school system system that had more diversity in our expected outcomes would be a great thing and i don't know how this is. This is how my brain of flight. I think we started talking about the writing process assistant and daydreaming look at where we are but this is also my storytelling process works where <hes> i don't know where my story is going to go in. You'll wonder off away and it'd be like okay. That's not leading someplace interesting. Where was the last place my story was fascinating to me and now dow back to that <hes> doing that as you're writing. Were you doing it like as you're daydreaming. You're backtracking. Is your daydreaming or you've actually written stuff edge and like you'll yeah a lot of both but <hes> it probably happens more often while i'm in the daydreaming part because that's where things are just so amorphous. You have a lot of freedom to break. Things change things <hes> i i think the hardest part about writing <hes> in the thing that stopped me from finishing books before. Is that <hes> making decisions in the moment while you're writing <hes> i think part of you knows you're making the wrong decision. Even if the book should be the first person or present or past tense like these are very big decisions that if you haven't thought about them at a time once you start writing and you make it realized a bush i could go back and change the gender my protagonist or change the person or the tencent in writing in making changes very difficult later and that makes it really easy. I abandoned the project and so the more the more of the store in the decisions that you have ahead of time for me anyway. Everyone everyone's writing process is different. Some people can sit down and write once upon a time mm-hmm and then whole novel can flow out <hes> some people have to outline really heavily and for me. I like to basically have a a movie that i've seen that no one else has seen and it's my favorite movie of all time and i want to describe it in such vivid detail to someone on who can't watch a movie. They can only read a book. <hes> you know that's my writing process like hello this person to see what i've seen in a joint as much as i've enjoyed it and tell the story is as clearly as possible and <hes> yeah. That's that's true me but man every time i sit down with a blank pace. Write another book like how did i do that. Last last one feels daunting. I'm not sure how our did it and how i'm gonna do it. This time i'm ever going to be able to do it again public now. I don't know probably sleep pushed twenty. I would think and you still have that. Oh yeah i like each book. I'm like i don't i don't know how did the last you know nineteen and so. How am i possibly going to do this because the last experience that i have with the previous book was like searching for typos it was done <hes> and experienced before that was just minor revisions in experience before that was a little bit of a rewrite and so that rough draft is like so far removed and my rough jasser asser much rougher them. I finished products as i'm sitting there watching myself right a knee rough draft. This is terrible. This is worse than anything i've ever written. How how how's my my our mental faculties declining this rapidly and <hes> it's because i'm it's been a long time. Since i've written rough drafted. It's been like many rounds provision of seeing the polish work at the end with with editorial help and other kinds of beta reading in my mom giving me advice some seeing the the the last thing i saw oh my writing was a a basically a team effort over many iterations and going from that to a rough draft is difficult every single time one thing relate into that. I think that's the hardest part about being an avid reader in trying to write is that we compare a writing to the great stuff. We've been reading and we have to not do that. We have to realize that this the books that we love also existed as rough drafts and just embrace the the mistakes and the the rough nature of our writing. Don't try got a polish that first page to perfection before you move on you might end up starting the story some different so <hes> the first the first vice i would give someone about writing to sit on a ride everyday the second advice i would give this. Don't read your writing critically the that's not what the rough draft is all about the rough draft optus getting to the end of the story before you start polishing it in that's the mistake that i was making for twenty or so years i would sit there and fiddle around with my first chapters over and over never again and not really improve them any of just be terrified of moving forward. <unk> writing wasn't good enough but that's the point and then so you you take your rough draft craft you edit and revise it and then do you send that out to your friends. You senator tear agent. Do how do you get feedback on that or do you get back on that or you. Just go not get lots of feedback. I think we can talk about the storytelling tradition and <hes> in in more in depth but <hes> writing in telling stories was really never done in a back room for me but i <hes> when i'm happy with my story in a can let someone read it. It goes to my mom. I then she would like disown me if anything differently she she. She bugged me more than my agent. <hes> does about winning my innocence since something new for her to read thumb and she'll print the whole thing out get red pen and just go through and demolish it and mail me a stack of pages is and i'll get through in incorporate these changes and try to make the the book better for my mom and then go out to <hes> some beta readers in my editor editor and each book spend a little differ- with how many beta readers all years or use them at all and eventually my agent will get once. It's pretty much ready to publish and she's actually gotten i think get on her nerves some because i assume she's like too busy for me and so i don't bug her with almost anything like and she's always telling me more like let let me know and you've written something. Sometimes i'll publish something and forget to tell her <hes> and because. I don't think it's going to offer to shop shop around us should like why don't you tell me like we could get a film deal with this and we can get foreign publishers to publish this <hes> but eventually my agent will get a copy and then <hes> usually by then. It's our readers of self. Publishing people are already devouring it. What what sort of feedback do you seek from like beta readers. Are you asking them what works. It doesn't get lost to confuse. What specific questions are you asking them for. I don't have been a beta reader for other people and they've sent a document that trade detail about what they want in haven't really done that with my bare readers kind of want them to share what what they're good at. Spotting in ottawa people wanna looking for typos when someone's really good spotting plot got holes tablets seeing typos so here's here's a book as i would publishing like what what do you think and some people will come back. I think it's great and ignored that advice. I assume that they're <hes> too easily pleased and then i'll have people say like you know. Just send me a list of all the typos us a fine at someone sales confused in this spot and someone say kind of bored and for those people might be like. Do you remember where you got bored or when you stopped reading when you lost interest so for each beta reader get something different. <hes> my mom is really good at highlighting passages that she thinks need to make it clearer. Jill also highlight stuff. She says i'm not allowed to change like things that she loves and and she doesn't give out <hes> a shield. She's probably my biggest fan dan. She lost my writing but she doesn't hold back. She demolishes much stuff mums of the best. They're the best. It's like unconditional love but here's what i think unfiltered eh totally <hes> yet mom's great about that has been killing very permissive like the lettuce do stuff but if we messed up make sure we knew that we messed up so a great great parenting solid think <hes> so <hes> you get something different for everybody and i think that's i learned that from being a part of a writing group a highly recommend any aspiring writer to join a writing group. If you don't have one locally see if you can start one if not there's plenty align but you'll learn that everyone every other writer has something unique to contribute to your process and try to embrace that and get as many people involved as possible and then so talk to me about publishing like <hes> you are one of the actually you're the only person that i know of <hes> the keeps their electronic rights how i want to dive into this publishing ocean world which is largely <hes> you know a black hole to everybody else and you know i probably have toe in it now and year fully immersed in it so i'm hoping i can learn a lot about this conversation of polishing industry but walk me through sort of like some of your <hes> some of what's available your decisions and why so you've made those decisions <hes> yells very very lucky that i started writing finished my first novel i think in two thousand eight or two thousand nine and then i think the kendall came out the same year just a bit after i read the book i think maybe the first kennel come out just before published my first book so <hes> the the first publishing contract with a very small press and the tools that they were gonna use to publish were very different than the tools he would've used a a few years before they were gonna put an e book additional line which they could do through kindle direct publishing system and anybody can start up a small press you he can just you know incorporate a name and published under this a publishing imprint and your mouth publisher in addition to being a writer and salves publishing with the press and they were using not only book distribution but print on demand technology which has really matured <hes> and east to be if you wanted to publish your book you'd have to order this massive printing of thousands of copies and they'd sit in boxes in your basement entirely going to distribute them. You know you gotta like either mail them out directly or go to bookstores to try to get them place. It was just a nightmare and now there are several print on demand companies amazon being i think one one of the best because they're integrated with the biggest bookstore the world <hes> and y- there's no upfront cost you up with a p._d._f. Which is a type of document that prince exactly has it looks on the screen. There's no flowing words until repeaters like every pages fixed <hes> even to the size that it's gonna print on and when someone orders your book and think about it from the perspective of the shopper. They don't know any of this is happening. They just go to amazon page. Here's a book with some reviews or there's some friend has told them about it. They wanna copy. Click order. What happens in the background is. There's a big printing press. The biggest one is in <hes> charleston south carolina china but a lot of the on distribution centers have these printing presses inside them as well and <hes> electric code get sent. Someone ordered this book. They all have the p._d._f. In their machines they print the pages buying the print the cover glue the cover on and ship that book out in the same day that it was ordered but it's just unbelievable and the quality is very similar to what you'd get if you did a massive offset print run in china and shipped these books overseas and i just when i found out about this fellow over the process actually went in toward the printing facility in charleston which amazon doesn't let a lot of people do it but i'm going to be very very annoying and get my way of find persistent. <hes> and i'm just fascinated with the because i was a bookseller for years and i've had a hand in pulping unsold unsold books and just a waste of this book was like shipped from china to the u._s. To distribution facility than to a retailer like me than i would send it back to a place where would try to be sold as a discount book and then it would not sell to be sent to another place where be pulled and an easter be there would be burned like you were boxes of unsold books that were thrown furnaces <hes>. That's how the book industry worked for a while some looking at this print on demand technology. It's like oh my god this thing the only thing we move around as the ink and the paper and you get the exact bookie need where you need it as fit as efficiently as possible with no upfront cost to the writers unbelievable. You're so learning all this stuff through publishing my first book. I realized there's nothing like publishers. Doing i can't do for myself. Most of these services are one on-time cost like editorial cover art the pagination the layout of the words on the page they do that once and they keep more for every sale than i get as the the writer and that just seems crazy to me so when i got an offer for the sequel has said actually i think i'll publish it on my own and if i could i'd like to buy the rights writes back to my first book which is what i did and from that point forward just the economics of it didn't make any sense to me to go with a major publisher. I didn't think i was it's gonna write a book that could blow up because i've been a bookseller for years and i saw random house. Put a million dollars into the launch of a bulk and it just be a dud <hes> a new that that no publisher could guarantee me that would have hit no matter what they sell you when they sign you <hes> if they had that ability they'd have hits all the time and they're very rare. You're so. I knew i didn't have the hubris that i was going to write. You know the next harry potter which is what a lot of writers have why they want to get a publisher. They feel like the the book is going to be that big. I'd never believed that about any books which helped me in the long run <hes> and <hes> yes so i started publishing my own stuff because as i get to keep more of the money had more control about what i wrote next. I didn't have to get trapped into writing about <hes> this one character over and over and over again. I could write any kind of sean row without a publisher saying yeah. We're not sure that will sell never had conversations. Which was the creative freedom. That provided was worth a you know going on on my own alone. I've been able to write in a lot of genres. I started writing young adult space opera and did well enough that if i had been with a publisher they would have insisted that only published that stuff when what really took offer me was an adult dystopian novel called wool and i've never would have had the freedom to write that book <hes> even j. k. rowling didn't have the freedom to write under her whole name or name when she wanted to change genres she had right under this <hes> galbraith breath a student. I'm so it's like creatively dampening to to be with a major publisher. There are advantages. I'm not saying publishers aren't good at some things. I'm just saying that first starting off a career who was a writer and learning the ropes. There's nothing better than <hes> than self publishing. What are some of the things things publishers. Bring to the table that maybe you wouldn't have thought of going into it. Yeah that's different almost anything like the the greatest distribution in reaching bookstores but that's only true because of how the relationship with publishers bookstores involved over time <hes> bookstores are hesitant to order self published titles unless they see a history of sales. Are you see them on bestseller lists. The on the book side or the people are walking and saying by kenna find this book they'll eventually order it but they won't do it ahead of time <hes> they order from catalogs and they have sales reps who come in say like this is the title most excited about and the shell shock pressures bookstores have stocking certain things and then bookstores the restocking the things that are selling well not taking a chance on other stuff <hes> so publishers are good at getting a book the book a chance in a bookstore where might not get that chance <hes> if it self published but that is really guarantee anything and chances are very small window usually <hes> we would leave a book on the shelf for three to six months before we were taken off. Send it back and put something else on the shelf so few if you spend years writing a novel and you think like this is my one shot and go the publisher you're only going to give it up three to six month window <hes> to make before no one will ever touch it again and because of the lack of sales in that very brief window. Maybe no one ever publishes you again so anytime i can come up with a positive for a publisher i can think of the way that there's a weakness inherent to that end an advantage to self publishing <hes> i've done deals with publishers though like i <hes> i love relationship that i have with a lot of my publishers assures <hes> one thing they do really well is <hes> handle their local markets in a way that i can't define just publishing for the u._s. Market did <hes> like i'm here in australia my bookstore. My book is in bookstores here in brisbane and sydney and <hes> most of the places that go into confined copy my book book to sign for the bookstore and i would never be able to do that from a distance or translated into german or japanese and that's incredible service the publishers provide but anything that can think of as a benefit like aditorial process i would much rather choose editor than some of the publisher and just get stuck doc with whatever editor they assigned to me. <hes> and i think freedom of choice is better than economies of scale like that saying freedom some of choices better than economies of scale. It's going to stick with me for a second. Walk me through sort of like you. You sell your books now but you don't sell your electronic rights you sell do you saw audio and physical distribution and foreign translation or how does that work yeah. That's that's kind of thing that <hes> got me on the reidar from the publishing side. The people are really geeks about <hes> publishing news <hes> when i when we'll took off i was working in a bookstore in this short story read wrote <hes> up the charts and i flashed that into a novel by writing four more parts and combining them into stories serialized novel <unk> way dickens used to publish gets and <hes> when the novel hit the new york times bestseller list is a self published book. I started getting a lot of interest from agents and publishers and i was. I was lucky in a few ways one. I was living very simple lifestyle. It didn't have a debt free at a very small house. <hes> didn't need the money so i wasn't going to be swayed swayed by an advance <hes> the second thing is i didn't need the validation from publisher because i was already already getting it from readers who writing reviews was on amazon that i would read every day like how much they loved. The story and people are contacted by email him email on the back of the book l. sharing directly from readers all over the world and and so having an editor tummy. I love your stuff which probably would have done that would've worked on me if i hadn't had anyone else told me about it and that's just part of the the self left out you have is a writer you just getting my mom to love on my books as such a great feeling and i think <hes> a lot of new writers get trapped into <hes> <hes> publishing contracts just because like hearing from someone who's an expert in industry how great their work is is very enticing to avoid the money trap in the the ego trap and continue enjoying my stream of sales while publishers always missing the boat with their advance <music> offer so the way it works is a publisher offers you a lump sum of money to get the lifetime writes in all the rights. They're going to get the print rights the digital gelo audio the foreign rights by offering you <hes> typical advance might be like fifteen to twenty five thousand dollars for book fifty thousand dollar our advanced would be a big deal six figures like crazy and then you know the the seven figure deals that everyone dreams about are so astronomically rare sight even worth i think about them and by the time i was getting like a fifty thousand dollar advance i was making so much from self publishing that that was like an insult to me and my agent you know i was i would i would earn that in a month from my e book sales and i got really lucky that publishers were behind on on what the potential was of <hes> the digital rights and if anyone had made the offer that they made later early. I would have buckled <hes> <hes> m._o. Molly so strong by the time we got <hes> six-figure offers is making six figures a month just on the book sales and by the time a publisher finally made a seven figure offer offered over a million dollars for the series at already made a million dollars on my own and i really fortunate that it happened that they were they were slower than readers were to <hes> cop onto the series because i i seriously would have not been strong enough. Had this late offers come early on in the process. I never would've assumed that the book would have continued to sell the way it did so when i was able to do from all of that is maintain gene by epoch rights as i was seeing how powerful they were and basically they got to valuable for me to ever sell and i realized that as soon as a publisher owned that e book right they're going to jack up the price to protect their other books <hes> and this is something a lot of author's thinking about your your competition for them like the people that own your book your yearbook competes with their latest greatest thing that they want to do well so they're not gonna. Anna promoted as heavily later. They're not gonna discount it because they don't want a cheap book of their own to compete with an expensive book that just released and man. That's an eye opening realization. When even the people that you sign your lifetime rights over don't have your best interest in heart for the the entire length breadth of your careers only during that launch really i just sort of discovered this whole a kindle pricing thing where if your book is priced above nine ninety nine your royalty rate changes to thirty percent instead instead of seventy percents of his nine ninety nine under you get seventy percent of sort of the if you're self published he gets seventy percent of the price so any book basically any kindle kindle copy price between ten dollars and basically like twenty one dollars is a lot like people are losing money on that compared the pricing in at nine ninety nine. If they're self published the publishers have a different pricing schemes <unk>. They'll continue to make the same royalty but what amazon is the theme team royalty. They get the seventy percents amazon the whole wet so it's just self published kindle treats differently yeah but but those publishers don't get seventy percent they <hes> <hes> it's a completely different structure they like a wholesale <hes> price and so <hes> it's very very complicated the difference between what publishers get what what self published authors get <hes> but they they have a fixed percentage where what amazon what amazon would love for no publisher to to charge more than ninety ninety nine for e book like they've they decided that nine ninety nine was the maximum. You should pay for digital book. Publishers was a huge fight over this. This like was was consumed the publishing world for a couple years and led to an antitrust suit against apple that apple lost in the publishers that could colluded with apple lost as well and had to basically a yet james our policies for a while but they're back to where they wanted to be. Were they have control of pricing and what amazon can control is how the incentivize the the pricing process for self published authors because we mm sign a contract with them and we're not gonna we'll have enough power to collude with an apple and <hes> in trying to change that but his logical to me so i don't. I don't begrudge john at all. They think e books should be between two ninety nine nine ninety nine and if you price it there. They'll give you seventy percent. If you price a blow to ninety nine eight you're welcome to do that. They're gonna pay thirty five percent which is half. If you price it over ninety nine again. Erosion is going to get cut in half and so it's just an incentive for for from them for the price the yearbook where they want the customer experience to be and i think it makes sense for a company to have this kind of guidelines and so light you the freedom to make the choice harvey be one but it does <hes> it does really compress all the self publishing price to be in that to ninety nine to nine hundred nine range. You've you've public. Oh you've sold millions of copies. What have you learned about pricing <hes> on the kindle or electronic pricing in terms of selling books i haven't learned and as much as a lot of other published authors because there's there's so many brilliant saw published authors out there who do spreadsheets and they they price polls the experiment they they'll do a._b. Comparison of time <hes> really brilliant people especially in the romance and erotica realm where you've got some of the savviest business minds just making a killing because they treat this as a business and they're very logical about it. I use sorry sorry about that background noise. That's a pump boat going off worries. I always devalued by work which i think has worked to by benefit because i would rather someone take a chance on one of my short stories at ninety nine cents even have done novels ninety nine cents before even though i'm not making much money on it i want to get people <hes> the chance to get hooked on my writing or my characters less story and i've found somewhere in the four ninety nine range what i remember paying for a mass market paperback when i was a kid and i know you know the top what it used to be so fill like like five bucks six isn't a big ask for someone to <hes> get an novels worth reading so yeah i have books all over the place they spent like between two ninety nine and six nine is where i'm comfortable asking someone to take one of my novels and i think you just made wolf read in your was that like in the last year. Here's something the first part of wool which it's the short story that that launched my career <hes> that's been free for years now probably in seven years you can read the first part of the book and there's a lot of <hes> an ado sound like adult think about things i spent a lot of time thinking about the psychology your pricing and reading i would rather someone reads something for free because if they don't like it they don't feel like they're not likely to write a bad review. Because what can they say like. I'm i i feel ripped off like a didn't pay anything. Enjoy this and so there's a bit of a sifting mechanism there if someone enjoys it. They're likely to buy the next part of the story which is only ninety nine cents. Let's and they're inclined to write a good review and tell people about it and convinced a friend like would you lose. It's free you know. Give it a try. Have you noticed a major sales. Increase in all the other books in the series yeah i did wanna i started doing this but then i had i think it was just one <hes> one email from a reader who's like i have to click five times to read the book like why don't you just put them into one file in and make it a novel and so when i did that more people started saying just pay the four nine nine or whatever for this <hes> for this e book and the the free medium kind of <hes> system that had sort of for wool initially kind of fell out of the wayside in the individual parts just fell down the charts as the novel up the charts so i don't know how much affected has now. I don't look at my <hes> cell dashboard at all anymore. <hes> the it's a trap befallen too early on self publishing watching every sale and checking your weekly and daily monthly streams but that i found if the stream goes up a little bit if ill it puts you in a good mood but it doesn't last if the sales dip it off whatever reason <hes> the the despondency that kicks in is just paralyzing and getting hooked on that <hes> cycle of checking your sales. I think it's probably a process that every writer has to go through but i encourage writers to like get off of that as quickly as possible. If you need to know for income reasons just like look at your statement at the end of the month and plan your expenses in your and everything accordingly if you're trying to do a promotion and you need to track sales <unk> dispassionately but now i can't even tell you what people are downloading my free book versus individual books 'cause <hes> yeah yeah just founded <unk> healthier not just ignore all that stuff honestly. Are you purely an artist when it comes to this or you also businessman like are you <hes> <hes> you mentioned some people in their own ads and sort of erotica space are a little bit more savvy about how they go about positioning the book or maybe selling or marketing it. Do you do any of that. Have you done any of that and you just don't do it now. I would say it's a pretty even mix. I'm i'm probably more for the business marketing science so fashioned by the i probably do more than i give myself credit for <hes> <hes> yeah i think about god everything like i think i know really early on when i was just starting my career i knew more about publishing publishers who are the the biggest in the world who have been doing it forever because i was questioning everything and they were very ossified in their thinking for instance when i published with simon and schuster uh they categorized by one of my books under <hes> just science fiction on amazon store and i knew from experimenting that the way the categories worked as the parent categories were inherited by the child categories which sounds confusing but the way it works is if you put your book in general books dash science fiction dash general dash dystopia than in your book shows up in every one of those categories they're all inherited so if you're browsing the general books bestseller list if your book is in the top one hundred it shows up on that list it also shows up in the science fiction lest in the general science fiction list in the dystopia list and this is a free way of making your book show up on multiple bookshelves bookshelves in a bookstore which anyone would want if you could do that for free where you walk into a bookstore shoppers are turning their head. Everybody look. There's a copy of your book look. This is a an unqualified great thing and i had like eight emails back and forth with simon schuster and explain to them and i had no this is because i had had done a deal with them. Now they have access to the metadata on the back end and they can control how this appears. I cannot get them to understand that by making this just one change they would make basically duplicate copies of the book on all these other virtual bookshelves absolutely free. It's going to keep doing what they wanted to do but it's going to do more more stuff and there's more opportunities for people to stumble upon it and this was eye opening for me because i realized like really early on in my career. I realized that i couldn't get it's not only did i know more than them and i am a pretty clear writer and explainer like i was really laying out why this is a good thing. I cannot convince the people at this publisher to you to do this thing like i think you understand even after me talking about briefly. This is like it'd be crazy not to do this and it took like getting my agent involved in getting kind of like if you don't do this you know we can't have a relationship and now the understand you know now enough time has passed and they've experimented did and they would do this with all of their books and they all publishers fight with amazon to get extra categories even but early on i realized man. I'm just using using logic. I'm more savvy on the business side in the marketing side then <hes> newspaper publishers so <hes> yeah. That's always been out of bookseller for years. I was always trying to sell strangers books when i everything i learned doing that was something i was able to employ with selling books. What do you do with audio writes. I used to sell published audio books and that's been that was really lucrative. It's amazing that growth curve on audio books <hes> now. I'm happy to do deals with publishers and sell them off. It's actually it's might be counterintuitive but <hes> now that i don't need the money any <hes> i can do more deals with publishers because it's it might be more lucrative if i like put all the extra work and do it myself but i don't need the extra money and i'm happy to have publishers <hes> do the work for me. Even though i'm gonna make less per sale to it's it's weird how by success has allowed me to you use publishers <hes> even though it's probably not the best thing to maximize my income but at max's maximize my free time is still gets the story available to to readers so now i do lots of deals with publishers in it's mostly because i can afford to which is kind of a weird. It's a weird situation like you would think it'd be the other way around. Is there anything weird that you put in your contract. They would be nonstandard or somebody would look go man. I wish i would have thought of that. Yeah really crazy stuff like probably the thing that i don't think many people in the publishing world realize what did with my agent really did with <hes> with wool all of that. We've now done with some other books is we've put a time that the rights revert back to me and writes version is really tricky thing publishing most estimates based on whether or not the book is still in print and now publishers can sweat rights reversion means when publishers take your rights they get it for like your lifetime lifetime plus another certain number of years. You're never gonna see your rights back. <hes> unless a reversion clause in most publishing contracts have them but they're laughable. <hes> the usually just say as long as the book is in print. The publisher retains the rights and we talked about print on demand earlier. Now publishers can just move this book from an offset that print run of thousands of copies time just to make it available as peo- d print on demand book and it is still an n._f._l. Yes from print forever and you'll never get your rights back. So the change people said made was like well. We want to see it actually selling so they made the clause say the book has to sell a certain number of copies of certain time period to show that it's still active product for us when we get to keep the rights well. There's ridiculous. It's like i've seen contracts. I like if we sell twenty five copies over six months. We get to keep the rights and at some point especially now that publishing is viable competitor to publishers. I it makes sense for them. To buy twenty five copies. You know to use his <hes> doorstops. The officer just give away to a a school or burn and <hes> to to keep competitor off the market and so a lot of these reversion clauses are just terrible for the writers and writers aren't thinking about this when they're signing contracts are excited. They think this publisher wants to sell millions of copies the way i do so they're always going to work on my behalf instead of realizing that a in six months going to be working on someone else's behalf more than yours <hes> if you didn't get lucky <hes> so one of the things we did we set up like the book prevert on this date and we r- able to say no to every other offer and meanwhile. We're selling lots of copies. Make lots of money and publishers are being left out. Eventually publishers bushes like okay. We'll do this deal and we get the book for five years say well. We'll is still selling really really well in print in by simon schuster in bookstores and <hes> next year <hes> i'm going to get the rights back and it doesn't matter that the book selling well does matter that is still in print like we have in the contract the date that i get the the rights back and when we did a print only deal with hooved mifflin harcourt for shift dust the sequels to this book we timed ended so that we get the rights back to those books at the same about the same time we get the lights back to war so i don't know that this has happened in publishing before but in in a year i'm going to have the rights to three books that are still selling really well and how that's gonna play out. I don't we don't know because no one truly done it but like the book is going to be on the the shelf and now i own the rights and we can take to other publishers say like who wants these three books and i can say like a virtual publishers of treating really really fairly and they're going to have like first crack at at getting these proven perennial sellers and do another deal and maybe we're doing other five years <hes> but this has been a dream for a lot of writers and agents to get these kinds of like limited time deals <hes> is another -nother author told me really early on this is the future publishing these kinds of deals that we hadn't seen them. We fought for them and we were able to get them. <hes> so that's that's just one example of something that it's not standard that by having success publishing and being able to say no to every contract we were able to get something that really had been done before what are some of the other examples of of terms or clauses that you might tweak in a contract that wouldn't be so obvious to other people <hes> price limits so <hes> <hes> una go. She ate like what the book pricing can be. In the contract again assuming the publishers can do the best thing for tall times is just a mistake you have to be <hes> like loving entrusting on one side but very adversary when it comes to actually setting up the contract you know who's going to <unk> owned contract down the road. There's so much <hes> merging and acquisition in the publishing space that saying i really have a good feeling for this editor. Her and i'm going to trust that person. I've had three editors on <hes> wool at santa schuster over the years because people leave and go do something else so don't think <hes> <hes> with your heart when you're making these contracts like lay out what you decisions that you would make if you're a self published writer so for the price i don't wanna hammocks price so high that people don't take a chance on them and there's a lot of pushback with publishers and they want to be able to have the freedom to make it fourteen ninety nine <hes> which i think's a crazy price for digital book that you can't resell or hand off to a friend or dog ear. It's not printed. There should be the books cost. I missed the physical costume like virtually nil for evokes right so you think the difference between the book and physical book the price would be a lot but it's actually in a maybe a couple of dollars with the printing and shipping and all that the most of the cost is the overhead they have for their you know stupid building in in manhattan which is the dumbest place test set up a publishing empire but that's what they've decided to do it <hes> and the editorial costs and the promotion in marketing and all that take up a bunch of the budget for the fiscal cost is there and the fact that you can't treat it into a bookstore or solid or give it to a a friend <hes> that should be priced into the value of the books in contracts. I'll say like <hes>. I don't want the book price over seven ninety nine which is a low number two publishers but as the high number for me and that's part of the negotiation process. I think it should be for most authors. I think price price limits should be in every publishing contract but i think they're almost none of them. Is there anything else that comes to mind farming things individually <hes> <hes> giving worldwide rights to to publishers now is crazy because the world market is getting more lucrative so i'll do deals justin often north america basically and that lets me do separate like wolves random house in the u._k. And here in australia new zealand and basically worldwide english and the book is different the it's localized for the for the for queen's english basically instead of american english and and they know the market better and put them in charge of it instead of having <hes> someone in america shop that out two subsidiaries is not only makes for a better product it makes as for <hes> better business saadun like ink amazing deals in brazil. <hes> you know sixty thousand thousand dollar advances which would have been gaga for in the <hes> in north america with my books and here i'm getting it from a country that is exploding with interested new readers and i had no idea i was a market and we've done we've now done deals in over forty countries and doing them individually maximize the decisions we made for instance in <hes> in taiwan we went with a very small publisher is a one man operation literally like one guy runs the whole business and does the translation every he's adopted yeah. He's amazing does like two books a year and he he was offering the least amount of money but i had a foreign agent who just works the asia market who said like we're really lucky to have this person involved. He's he's considered a poet by the <hes> publishing a industry they're in by readers people by the book just because he's wanna translated uh-huh and he and my agent asian agents said i we've got bigger offers from other people but i would recommend this person now falls where the publisher they would have gone with the biggest offer but i was the freedom to take a chance and sure enough. My agent nailed it. The year later <hes> i get invited to be like flown first class to taiwan to to book fairs signed books and like why why in the world of mike going to taiwan and we found out like wool was the number one selling being book that year and taiwan and easing yet became the best selling work of science fiction in the history of the taiwan market so i had no idea this was happening like i landed in taiwan and there's people like with books waiting for me to sign them. My my driver like had a copy and people at the hotel waiting. I've i have never had this level of success competitively anywhere in the world and that never that experience and my popularity with taiwanese readers. I never would have happened. Had publishers been in charge of my foreign rights so again it goes back to that freedom thing and self publishing. I used to be thought of as the last resort for for writers now publishing contracts with a last resort because as long as you own the rights you have the freedom to make any decision you walk the road. You can still signed with the publisher if you want but once you do you no longer have any choice. Once you've signed with the publisher they own those rights for whatever the contract stipulates in your decisions are now over so if you think about your decision tree <hes> what used to be the last resort so publishing because no one else would take it. That's now the the place of the most freedom of choice and all you can do from there. Is your decision tree down till you have no choice and and just from that reason alone forget the economic advantages creative advantages just from the decision tree self publishing makes the most sense for where to start your career career and then there could be <hes> factors that make you decide to give up those rights like you write that first book and i'm gonna sell public no matter what because i've read all these blogs about publishing. It's the best thing and then someone read your rough draft and says i'll give you ten million dollars <hes> to publish this if you still self published you're crazy like your there's always a reason to go with the publisher <hes> if if it makes sense but to start there is basically saying i don't want any more freedom of what happens with my art work for the rest of my life plus years after that and that has never made sense to me. Thank thank you for being so open and honest about what it's like behind the scenes you <hes>. This has been an amazing conversation. I wanna thank you so much for your time and i i know you're sitting on a boat watching the sun. Come up australia right now so yeah. It's pretty cool yeah. Maybe <hes> comeback on we'll talk about the sailing part. Oh yeah man. How can you speak out about anything. Thanks for having me on management awesome really appreciate hey. This is <hes> <hes> shane again. Just a few more things before we wrap up you can find show notes firm streep blog dot com slash podcast. That's f. a. r. n. A. m. s. is t. r. e. e. t. b. l. o. g. dot com slash podcast. You can also find information there on how to get a transcript and if you'd like to receive a weekly email from me filled with all sorts of brain food go to firm street blog dot com slash news letter. This is all the good stuff i found on the web that week that i've read and shared with close friends friends books and reading and so much more thank you for listening <hes> <music>.

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The Great Discontent & Observing Design Community with Hugh Weber   Episode 127

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The Great Discontent & Observing Design Community with Hugh Weber Episode 127

"Welcome to design speaks podcast this episode one twenty seven and this week we have our very special friend and community leader Hugh Weber. Welcome Hugh you are so back and back with big get news. I hear has been an absolutely event info couple months so I think instead of going into like any of my my week because let's be honest the past few weeks. I've just been preparing to relaunch this podcast which we can talk about later. I want to know about what what you've been up to. I know that there's something with design observer and the great discontent and I just want to hear all about it and our audience hear all about it. Which one should we UNPACK I? Let's let's go with design observer. Let's go design observer. I don't know that a lot of people you know. Probably a good chunk of our audience know what it is but for those who may not. It'd be awesome if you could kinda give us a tiny description of what design observer there is and maybe what you're what you're up to in that realm. Yes absolutely so this week very exciting personal announcement. But also I think organizationally for Design Observer. I was officially appointed a managing director of Design Observer. Which means I joined the current two partners Jessica Helfand and Michael? Beirut noteworthy design leaders and design thinkers but a little bit of background on Design Observer. It was founded in two thousand and three by. Hi Jessica Michael. Rick Pointer and Jessica's late husband builder Intel and it was created as a collaborative platform for conversation in about design at about the larger world and it was a place where for much of its early history where you could go on and be part of a conversation. Sation between Muslim of the Ellie and Michael Beirut and Polish year and A and a random undergraduate in design program it was kind of democratized space that brought conversation to an audience including but not really limited to designers with the advent of social media that shifted a little bit So the conversation that had happened so freely and fluently in the in the comments the forum can disappeared dissipated in that kind of evolution design observer became a whole lot of other things and it had been a place for experimentation and exploration found a space early in the curve of podcasts and so currently there are two primary podcasts the design of business business of design which initially was Co hosted by Jessica and Michael and now is co hosted by Jessica and Dear Friend of Mine Ellen mcgirt WHO's a a senior editor at fortune and writes a column about race in the workplace erasing fascinate. And she is. She is an extraordinary human being that I love like the older sister. I never had But she also is just extremely wise and has a depth of expertise in in corporate America. Erica that that is second to none. The second podcast is called the Observatory in the Observatory is kind of the inner circle of committed listeners. Observer community these folks that have been involved in engaged for fifteen years. And it's a conversation in a back and forth between Jessica and Michael. That is really rich when you take someone someone that has such a long term high level vantage on on something like design and give them a space to just kind of comment and share and discuss and debate kind of the things that they're seen in that given week it creates a space for seeing the world that I think is is fundamentally different and the final final pieces is events. They've hosted a lot of events over the years but more recently the they've hosted the last two years one at Yale in one eight. MIT design in a business conference. And it is this event that draws and is capped at about three hundred people so it stays small. It is an impressive. Both the people on stage the CEOS and executives of Pepsico and the chief creative officer of target and kind of this broad spectrum of leaders eaters corporate leaders. I was able to speak this last year which was exciting and And yet the audience is just as impressive as the people on stage and so it becomes this intimate gathering of people leveraging design or curious about how to engage design principles and practices to see and observe serving engage the world. Wow that's incredible when I when I found out that they were limiting those conferences to three hundred people I was like oh my goodness the the kind of not inner circle in like a exclusive. You can't get in kind of way but like how cool would it be to really kind of try and engage more more with with that small community as opposed to you know Aig National Conference is thousands of people. And you know you hopefully hopefully can engage with with just a few but I thought that was a really unique take on on a conference in design observer lives at these interesting in can objects physicians and value intersections. It's it is elite. It is unapologetically intelligent but it is also accessible and is focused on inclusivity inclusivity. It is intimate in that. I think events will only get smaller analogy but it is also influential because the that had small group has gathered are people that either through their practice or they're perspective or or their expertise lived experiences have necessarily the influence in a in a in a broader broader context. And so it's you know these things seem to seem a little contradictory on their on their face but I think it's so beauty of what design observer captures and contains its potential for extraordinary influence in the world absolutely. So what has it been like leading leading up to this point for you. How how did this partnership sort of come to be with you and all of this? I think I I think there are two two answers to that question and one is personal i. We've talked about in past conversations. came out of a career in political consulting and community organizing that I intentionally left because I felt over a decade ago. Fifteen years or so ago that it was increasingly divisive that it was using the talents in some of the skills that I acquired in a way that was was creating more disconnection and more solution that I wanted to step into a space where those abilities could be used in generative way to bring people together around things that mattered and so for me. It feels like has like something that happened both overnight and took fifteen years in in looking for that and great exploration along the way would And the service and the engagement in the community but it really was looking at something. That was both for me that intersection of generative and connective community focused genuinely on human connection action and how we can come together to work in accomplish. Great things but also the half of everything that I've missed since I left the hallowed grounds of Swarthmore Swarthmore College in two thousand twenty years. We're it's okay to have conversations that are complex and hard and layered and that require are sometimes pull out a dictionary shared definitions of terms To do that to have this conversation it is and they're so rare that that we can come into spaces where we're having these cross disciplinary engagements and that were arriving with a set of expectations. That We might disagree and we disagree in in some really foundational important ways but when we commit to that sustained inquiry and meaningful debate debate. It creates a platform for a bold action. It creates an opportunity for doing something about these things that are fundamental crises A crossed the lived experience of humans and to say on the other side of things you know this is this will be a story of and is a is a testament to some of the ideas that I believe so deeply and around relationships of influence and not not influencers in the way that we think of them taking selfies on instagram but those relationships that are mutual have reciprocity at their core a sense of shared values. I sat down year and a half ago with Jessica Michael for the first time. It was really the first time I'd met them. And we recognize over the course of a dinner dinner and then a second dinner that there were there was exactly that shared foundation that there was enough overlap in the way we saw the world and yet that I brought something new win unique in how I design but more broadly how I see designs Ecosystem and over the course of a year. We did a a longer term research project together. I spent a lot of time diving into who their audience was and who their broader community was we had an opportunity -tunities to test out working styles. In that window of time I was able to attend the two events at Yale at MIT. And I think by the time this all became a conversation about Coming together and joining Design Observer. It just it just made sense and and it just felt right and so I was with Jessica who has just located a design observer. West Office in in Los Angeles over the last couple of weeks was very exciting. It was with this last week. And it just felt seamless. We're stepping into meetings for the very first time. We're we're on the same side of the table talking about the same aspirations rations and values and it was very fluid and very easy because it had started from this genuine place of relationships of influence of reciprocity also the and a shared commitment to each other incredible. So you mentioned wrapping wrapping around the things that matter so oh are you able to share like what are some of the things that matter at design observer that you are going to have a role in. I think that's a great question I think i. I think that is going to take time to develop. It has been so many things and I think there is a I think there's a stage of You Nia who at the same time there's a divergent and expansive kind of sense of where we might go. There's also this convergent need to create systems and refine what it is that we know works well but I know that events both events like our larger conference but also smaller salons are key key part of what we'll be doing. I see US engaging. In deep meaningful ways with partners I think that so much of the the world of content and conferences houses which is not what I think at the core design observer is but it's easy to categorise that way so much that is built on sponsorships kind of you know how. How many logos can we wrap around this one time specific thing and I think design observer has the opportunity to say that these conversations from climate climate change to social equity to inclusive business practices? Aren't going to be solved in a one day. Conference and so- partnership is going to be absolutely the essential over the next several years that it's time for deeper commitment that is that is about the same kind of reciprocity and relationship of influence is on the enterprise and company level as we're looking forward engaging on a personal level but I imagine that we'll see a whole lot of things develop. I think that we know that the individuals that listen to and have been deeply committed to design observer over the last seventeen years one more opportunities to be part of that that intimate influential conversation and exploration not fewer and so I think a lot of that will happen in person. Much of that will happen. Continue to happen through the podcast and I think we'll see new voices on the design observer platform in terms of PODCASTS. I think we'll see something something. That creates a space for that ongoing conversation. That happens between large in-person gatherings and I don't know what that looks like today. I I use a word like community loosely but but you know not not membership not not something that looks like an organization like Jay ed which we all have a deep affection but something that allows people to engage and commit to to the foreseeable future and I think I think the designed community is ready for that but I think the design observer despite its name is less about design looking at itself and much more about using design. There's a lens to look at the world. Every day told at Higher Ed and look at you know massive move systems that need change. I think it's coming at a perfect time because I think that we are finally at at a stage in the world and as as people I think people are starting to really start to understand the big part that design however broad you want to use that that were plays in the world and are I think more ready to to listen to to this conversation of you know design observations on on everything and so. I think that this could not come at a more a more appropriate time. I think five years ago would it would have been sort of like. What do you mean design line in everything well and not not to change the subject but this is where the continuum in connection for me between design observer and the great discontent lies that's right design observer checked surveys exploring these kind of questions across the bigger landscape trying to get people to wrestle with critical questions questions on a more ideological philosophical or systematic level and? TD's attempting to ask those questions. On a personal level it's trying to bring people together are especially emerging creative talent and creative professionals around the concept of community and personal journey so in theory you can't truly appreciate the implications of design Zayn without experiencing a personal sense of connection with communities impacted by your own design. And I think your work is enhanced by seeing yourself as part of that community of world changers conversely your connections and your understanding of your personal journey isn't sufficient in and of itself to southcenter tape uh-huh right. You need to grapple with a bigger landscape in order to grow and understand what it means to actually do that. Big Deep Work so ah tell us all about it the great discontent was three in the mail. So how did she really think. Thank you for being a customer for the community Td was founded by Tina's macher and Ryan S macher and and these were two extraordinary community. Builders and creative leaders they started at eight years ago as a passion project and it grew route to be a print digital magazine. There have been film projects. There've been a series of live events and about a year ago a little over a year ago report within a matter of days of meeting. Jessica and Michael thanks parallel each other. So they really do. They announced that they were looking to sell the great discontent. And so I had been a fan from very early on Went back and I ve very very distinctly remember the first interview. I listen to Lisa Khandan. Strawberries she was interview number twenty. Now they're over three hundred. Yeah but I had brought them to South Dakota as part of a ODA nonprofit that I hadn't run I had stayed involved. We bought for Catania's we had bought a couple of hundred copies of one of their first magazines. So we'd been involved so when they announced that they were they were looking to sell. I'd reached out to Ryan and we had a series of conversations and I really kind of intentionally thought that I was. I was being an advocate. Now lie to help them find a larger organization or or a larger brand that would would purchase about six months into that process and a handful of introductions and a lot of phone calls Ryan. I said are you sure that you're not the person that's supposed to be running this thing. And it started a conversation Starting in April that wrapped up last November announcing that you know my My Organization the Institute of Possibility was going to acquire and has now acquired the the great discontent so we sit with this. And I'll say this is maybe a little too vulnerable in all of this but when when it came to actually signed signed the purchase agreement. I really had this crisis of confidence about whether I was has the right person to guide the great discontent is such a beautiful community of artists and makers and creative professionals and was I was I the right person do that in a series of conversations over a series of conversations with friends and and with with colleagues recognize that. There's this there's this opportunity you know. The exploration took me to forty cities last year. And there hasn't really been anyone that had taken a step back from individual designers creatives doing these kind of individual things. No one had really step back to look at the broader design community your creative community as an ecosystem as with with with a potential strength and so I stepped into the great discontent which will start publishing with an interview. which if it's the only only interview we ever published? I'll feel good about it. We'll we'll launch into that in February But as it is it it is a young designer that is designing events and experiences she is designing Broader attempts to to create systems change in her neighborhood. She is designing products She is doing it in a context of genuine and create discontent. I think often all of us as human beings can have some minor irritations and think it's the greatest content but the context in which this designer designs and this creative Executes is is a genuine context of discontent and she is doing it in an absolutely extraordinary way. She is unexpected but she is The first because I think she best represents what's possible when we look at the at the depth of systems that have been designed to disconnect US across the spectrum. Also it's an types and that we commit to acknowledging and addressing those great discontents that we create within so I'm extremely excited about about what that potentially reflects in how that starts and we've got the first six committed just just civilised nurse who don't know. How often do these release? Yeah we'll we'll publish. At least in day. One will publish every two weeks okay. How long interview with with a full photo shoot and which was which was a special part of the day we shot all over her and took photos all over southeast? DC with incredible local foot photographer dwyer she is from southeast southeast DC. She lives in teaches In in DC and And so to have DB able to Join US for for that first photo. Shoot and visit a number of locations that will both be I think icon for a a reader or a member of the community the of the great discontent but also it will be extremely meaningful for the creatives that work and operate in ward eight and in south east of of Washington. So it is. It is super exciting to be able in something that I want want to do. More of is making sure that the person photographing the story. The person and helping create the podcast. The person being featured or deeply connected to place because it's something that you know such a big part of my stories that ten years. Here's with with ODA being focused on. You know the Dakotas as a place where creativity looks and feels and expresses itself differently. And so I want to be able we give that in a neighborhood level in a community or city level to the stories that we tell. That's amazing so let me just say that. I think those doubts that you who had Were completely unfounded. I say that because if you think about what you're saying that the magazine you know is mill. You know it's not just a magazine but this this platform of the great discontent. Content isn't just the one person it's not the one platform but when you think about you guiding community. I don't think I can think of a better person for guiding being a creative community sort of platform than you so I am glad that you kind of overcame that self-doubt in even if it was just a small bit because I think that that you're gonna you're GonNa really bring great things to this. Well we reach this point. We reach this point of recognition that the pillars of what we want to do with the great discontent are are honest conversations about community and creative discontent but conversations that connect we wanted to create shared experiences. which for me the the idea that could shop live in Albuquerque or Los Angeles or Austin or Kansas City. The those shared experiences would be designed to connect and that we would create this content that was compelling in and of itself but that it's kind of the call to action whether that is implicit or explicit was about connection. It grounded me in this place that it's okay to be a fan and to genuinely be you in love with a platform like this and the people that features as long as the part that I bring to the table that uniqueness of seen creativity as an ecosystem ecosystem. I bring my skills fully not as a fan but as a strategist to make sure that it's connecting as well that it's helping people better it or grapple with the nuances of their craft and kind of their identity as creative building this base for curiosity and creativity in the sincere way but in a connected way what are the commonalities that you see between design observer and the great discontent and kind of like your role between the two what what are some things they have in common that you're really excited about it kind of kind of goes back to what I was pointing to earlier. which is that? They're they are different audiences. The these are the greatest content audiences this is primarily culture creators and creative professionals and is storytellers designers. That are primarily in Maryland. Thirty five and under forty and under they and design observer conversely is primarily designed leaders but also business leaders societal organizational leaders that are primarily forty-five and older but tain there is this cusp of overlap. which is thirty five to forty five? Which is where I live right to it is? It is where I visit which may in fact be why. This is the moment that these things both emerged and they've moved had crystal clear value and they both had this opportunity to to be a shared entity these will be separate brands. I don't imagine imagine I imagine the communities having spaces where they engage engaged. And that's something yet to be determined but it's more like a strange comparison that was made for me while we were working through it. But it's more like old navy and Banana. Ananta Republic can be managed with the same commitment to excellence that can be managed the same expectations and strategic commitment to connection They can be be managed with a standard of depth that scale doesn't have to come strictly through breadth in terms of numbers impressions and and those it was a metrics that come through depth in terms of engagement and participation and presents but at the end of the day they're going to have different audiences and and feel very differently despite morphine monochromatic and largely Sarah flaky. They will have very different ways. They express themselves but I think the I think the overlap or the similarities is these are these are curious creative people that are exploring both their personal and and communal perspective on the world. And for me the commonality is I was looking for this generative space where these things could be true. And I I believe I've found him. I believe I found the the options where these conversations can happen in a way that is generative is also so intimate that is also moonshot kind of size like conversations at Caltech about climate change but is is also a conversation about mental health or personal kinds of challenges with mental health on individual designer basis through td. I mean there is going to be this whole process is going to require an extraordinary amount of trust between myself that team is being built around. Td but more importantly between myself and Jessica and Michael because there is potential for the perception of overlap. But I think that we're all cognisant of that in fully aware of that and it allows these things to be managed sincerely together but independent exciting. So I'd like to talk a little bit about the great discontent not necessarily just you know the platform but what is the great discontent. What does it mean to be discontent? I'd like to kind of delve into that. A little bit more wrote. I will say that this is an area that I am spending a great deal of time working on ways ways to more fully share. What that you know what that is in terms of how I see it but also how? It's best combated so for me. The great discontent are these systematic forces. These large scale designed experiences that challenge US personally and collectively as we go through the world with the great discontent is not an I. Don't say this with any judgment of someone that might have experienced this but not getting into risky and instead going to scat or going to another designer our program is not op great discontent right. Those are disappointments. Those are conveniences. Those are they. Change Life Trajectories. But that to me isn't the great discontent discontent I and maybe it can contribute to it. I don't WanNA judge anyone's experience in that. I just I differentiate shea between those that are struggling against you know. Extraordinary of forces like a systematic inequity or systematic discrimination. That are the challenge by everything from you know the way we design our communities in terms of how people are able to connect and engage versus. This is how we design communities to be separate and isolated. I think I think discontent can grow up out of an and I believe this to be an important really really truly critical aspect of how we talk about the raid discontent on the grades content. which is I think mental mental health and `isolation and all of the things that contribute to this kind of epidemic of loneliness especially amongst creatives and I talked about this out linked at times but the number one insight that came from visiting forty cities of of of design was pending crisis in terms of isolation and that is true in general in the general population? I think it is even more so true when you have a class of people in a classic Lhasa professionals whose output of their work is so deeply personal and tied to their their emotional health. Also yeah there's vulnerability ability to my father was an incredibly gifted in his craft and was committed to excellence and was known for high high high standards but he was an electrician and he never came home at night and said I should've hung that little light. Switch a little bit different or I should have. You know man if I'd only drilled. It's a little more closely together. Would he did hard work at an extraordinary standard. When it was done it was done? That isn't true for creatives you've never done and we exist inside our own heads all the time. The number of people I've met that are still talking about a project if they wish they had done differently. Ten years ago is is a lot and that's because it is such a personal expression so when I think of the great discontent is both those deeply complete personal challenges we face that only we know and only we. We think we're the only one struggling with it and I think we can show that there's a community the people that are also facing some of those challenges but I do think it's also bigger things I think it's designing in a neighborhood where where it's an underinvested space whether that is the school system or the community resources or the infrastructure and and to be doing great things in the context of a disconnect which is often how I talk about it I think the great discontent is an expression of the great disconnect which is by design? I think we can talk about and I say this also without a huge voice critique peak but it's it's It's an important thing to recognize the the great discontent is a platform has been very white. It has been very centered on the mid Atlantic states. And I know from my own personal experience that td as an event. In Cleveland or Albuquerque is going to have dramatic ripples. Td focusing on designers in Minneapolis or Kansas City or Heaven Forbid Rapid City South Dakota which is rarely seen on the landscape is going to have a notable impact on on the work and visibility of those creative thanking me the chills like. That's I just started thinking about the impact that it could have like. If you came to Albuquerque Kirke the the amount of talent that is in this area that remains undervalued slash completely unnoticed to the rest of America is is just unbelievable through. So that for me is what what's important but unless it it is its own independent thriving community community but it's when it sits in the same context ecosystem as designers were that it means that at one table people are her solving global challenges that will at the other table and hopefully a shared table will be impacting the individual attorney of those those uncreative. And so I mean I think these things work extraordinarily well together. And it's it's. It's humbling to be able to sit at the intersection. How many do you have avenue like thoughts on how how people can find their great discontent and kind of use that to grow as a creative? I think a a great way to to find or recognize it is often to see it through others. I really do think that where the great discontent had even in even in its history an extraordinary body of interviews and and beautiful design. Let's not overlook the fact that discontented China's extraordinarily beautiful something that belongs on my wall. That's exactly right in the magazines. Prevail are still for purchases. You just found out are beautiful as well but I think there's a lot to be said about senior senior self in community about actually being able to look at yourself in the context of community and a like minded community and so I think as we think about how people might find that and discover that first of all it's just it's becoming more and more aware of Of of the things around you. It's really easy to overlook systems that have been designed for disconnection and overlook the applications of those systems. But I think looking at it through the eyes of others is often an extraordinary way to do that. So reading those stories listening to the stories not only I'm the greatest contempt but on other platforms that they bring you in touch with humanity particularly other individuals that have a very different lived experience variance than you these. These are not earth shattering ideas. But I you know I do a project and maybe I've talked about this previously talked about Mellat do this project and have for nearly twenty years called pick six. If I ever talked about this how pick pick six is when I'm feeling feeling stuck when when I feel like there's a bubble lower I'm in quicksand and that's creatively professionally personally. I'll go to a Bookstore or magazine Zine rack or you know this this past year when I was travelling so much did a lot of airport and find the stranger who looks most receptive to through a conversation and ask them to pick six magazines. They think should help. It's an exercise that both allows me me to see myself through the eyes of a stranger because the magazines they pick one of two things happens they either pick what they think. I would want to read the scrapping middle aged man. There's like woodworking digest. I think I think for me. Maybe you you might live a healthy amount longer. I think I think I'm pushing up on it. They assume things about me which I think is really interesting. Alternatively they pick things they that are clearly they believed to be the exact opposite of WHO. I am so extraordinarily to see. You know. Magazines that are primarily only for women magazines that are primarily for seniors or or core young people and to be able to explore but it is to see even just how advertising talks to someone to see how to`real kind of focus speaks to a specific audience to try to discern who that is speaking talking to and who that is four is an exercise that I go to a lot to frankly break up my own challenges and complexities but I think it's about seen gene. The world with other is and seen my work and my own present context through the eyes of someone else. Incredible exercise I think I may have to try. Yeah that would require me to talk to a stranger at the airport but I think I can do it so. I'm glad that you talked a little bit. About what what the great discontent actually means my sort of outlook on the great discontent. The entire time I've known about it I I've kind of taken it on myself more personally as like the great discontent for me is more. Just not settling being discontent but not in A. I'm unhappy kind of way just like you know. Oh I think this can be better. I think this system of how I do things can change. You know besides the fact that I love having you on here and I wanted to hear about all your adventures. I also knew that I wanted to talk a little bit about the discontent on this podcast because of all the changes that it's going through next for design speak. Oh goodness so currently trying to figure out how long I want my seasons to be which seems like a really mundane task but it's really intense and so for me right now. I'm sort of struggling with that. This idea of how much better do I want this to be. How much different I I want to be? How am I going to shake things up? What's the value that my audience needs for me? Compared to what I want to give so I'm really kind of poking around a lot of things it's been a struggle to say the least I've been kind of hitting walls left and right probably of my own making because I think this idea idea of being discontent has kind of grown into something. Maybe that it's not supposed to be and feeling more like I don't know I think it's feeling more like okay can still be better but can it's still be better but can still be better and just being discontent with everything instead of being like you know this is actually good. And let's move forward with that. I don't know if I think there is new. King and the founding of the greatest content speaks to this giving comfortable with that can be discontent you can be content even without being comfortable and and I think that that desire to be better can can exist exist within a contaminant of of of the system and I would encourage you to explore kind of what it what it is. That's putting can you in that space. What is in your kind of origin story that that creates expectation? Because you've built this extraordinary can of the conversation that is no small thing to be at one hundred and twenty seven episodes to one hundred twenty seven of anything. If I were able to look at you and say I've been to the gym one hundred twenty seven times over the last several years. We've both feel better about whether middle aged or not but it I think I think to explore kind of what bigger things are in play with. This is an important process but also to recognize you have in this this moment you have two things operate and you have this history of one hundred and twenty six episodes before and you have this future of limitless episodes and you though we we can grieve change changes. Sometimes you also have the opportunity to take a deep breath and say when when we come back in a couple the months. This is what we wanted to be. This is what you wanted to be. which is which is an exciting and liberating well? I think that's probably part of it. Is You know I talk a lot. I've talked a lot before about you. Know people are going to put you in a box anyway. So make the box lake. You design the box that that that people see see you in and I think that for me right now I have. I feel like I have one side of this box and I I kind of sort of have the sides of the box are growing. But I'm not sure what those sides look like exactly and I think what's what's really the thing that I'm working through right now. Is this possibility posssibility of what I want it to be is so large right now and I have so many goals and ideas on what I want this to be and I don't want to have to relaunched this ever again like I want. You know there will be. There will be growing pains and there will be changes possibly informat or you know you know as as the needs of the audience and as I grow grow and change things will grow slightly and change slightly but I also don't want it to be you know every season. Something's completely different so trying to think through this next year era of seasons. And how how that's going to look and feel to the audience is kind of A. It's kind of a big step but I I'm definitely well. On my way I I hired an illustrator to to illustrate a couple of sketched portraits of yours truly so that I can do some cool new designs for the cover art which I got a sneak peek of and they're amazing so I think I'm getting there. I definitely have had a couple of conversations with you that have been super helpful and my my human. Google husband has also been a great sounding board for that it but I think that feeling this great discontent is is for me on a larger scale of. I just want to bring value to my listeners. I whether that be five or five thousand someday I just. I want to make sure that everything I'm bringing is not fluff right. I Yeah I can only speak for myself and saying that that is the you've already delivered value to you again. We're Okay 'cause I delivered twenty six. Feel like you've you've delivered abundant value. And there's there's an important kind of element of all of this that that I've discussed. which is there's there's reciprocity in relationship and so those individuals that have listened to you over the last couple of years We'll be there with grace as you take these next several steps. Thank you for that. So speaking of when I'm coming back this will be the last episode. So do you hear from me until March so I haven't nailed down. It's either going to. It's going to be one of the first Fridays. In March I also decided to change range from Thursday to Friday For a few reasons we do get a lot of download on on Thursdays but for me it was it was more pressure to to launch Thursday I have more time to work on Fridays and as of right now. I'm kind of doing this thing on my own so Fridays made more sense to me to be able to really dedicate focused time and make sure that it goes out on schedule every week starting on one of the first three Fridays in March so check how are our instagram for those updates on when that date will actually be so hugh any final thoughts you would like to share with czar lovely audience on anything that you feel is something we might have missed today just continued to be a joy to be able to be part of these ongoing in conversations with you and to get to watch you continue this process of personal exploration and I think this next next stage of things is is going to be thrilling for both of us It's it's going. The next year is going to answer a lot of questions across the spectrum and I just look forward D- Continuing the conversation with you as it all develops evolves okay. So plug where where can people find you and all of the cool the things that you're working on great so you can find me on most social platforms that Hugh Weber at Hugh ever. That's H. H. W. e. b. e. r. but I would encourage you to check out design observer The AT DESIGN OBSERVER DOT COM. You can check out the podcast there. uh-huh which include the observatory design a business and Debbie moments designed matters You can check out the great discontent at the great discontent DOT COM And you'll see very soon in the next month Features their podcast yet to be named but a podcast checking checking in on many of the three hundred people that have been interviewed by the platform over the last eight years. So that sounds really fun. Really exciting the idea. Da for for the podcast came from An extraordinary Creative talent that I will be joining the great discontent Beginning of February who goes by spin his name is sleep Celestin and he He made a note as he was reading the old interviews that each interview had a couple one or two questions that he'd really like to follow up on and so the podcast working title is the follow up and it'll be short-form check in in some of them will be extremely short. Some of them may extend a little longer. But it will be just checking in on our favorite interviews Of the past eight years and asking them those one or two questions that we wish have been asked the first time around. Oh my gosh. That sounds like that sounds incredible. I Love I love Follow up interviews us to kind of see where people are how they've grown what's different so that's great. Are you going to be available for you know if people want to come see you speak are. Is there a place where they can look at like schedule of cities or is that not really in the cards at this point yes there. There will be a lot of speaking this spring. I had to Baltimore this week. Tomorrow I will be in Raleigh for their thrive conference in the end of February. I'll be heading to you Pittsburgh for the conference in late March early April and also attending power. Shift that same week. Oddly enough enough in San Francisco and the why conference the days after in San Diego and then in between I'll be visit some chapters Detroit and hopefully a series of chapters in Florida. Anything that gets me. South of Kansas in the middle of the winter is a is a good thing and so any invitation. South of Kansas will be entertained. And they're they're snow exactly right now I will i. It'll be in and out of Los Angeles and New York frequently as well with the work in the with design observer but in general you can see the speaking engagement workshop up side of things at Hugh Weber Dot Com. We'll update that better in the coming months. I some well thank you so much for for being here for us. I spending time talking about all your adventures and as always having so many encouraging things to say about the creative and design communities. We are grateful that you are here here to be one of our official representatives on a few levels so we can't wait to hear your updates sometime in the future. I'm willing to come back whenever you'll have me. Thank you so much. Thank you so that was whoever. Thanks so much for spending some time with us today. As far as designed speaks is concerned this will be the last year hearing from me for about five weeks or so breath as you heard on this episode. I'm hoping to get the relaunch going in one of the first three weeks of March so be on the lookout for that. It's going to be slightly new format and will launch on Fridays until then shout out to call in a vesper teen as is always for letting US use his amazing song shatter in the night. You can find me at Randy see on all social media platforms and you can follow this podcast at designed speaks podcast on instagram. And I will be talking to you guys very soon merging fate.

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Red Pill Diaries-Darwin Was Wrong & Here Is Why you Should Care, Interview With Hugh Owen

Mike Church Presents-The Red Pill Diaries Podcast

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Red Pill Diaries-Darwin Was Wrong & Here Is Why you Should Care, Interview With Hugh Owen

"Patrick J Buchanan. Has this column out today are real existential crisis extinction then he writes about how Greta Thunberg the Little Mall fouzy in a lunatic PIPPI longstocking but not all the fun has has mundane time Times a person of the year and as you know she's running around as a global extinction event this and any other and Buchanan says oh holders an extinction event alright but it ain't the planet and then Pat writes about Japan real quick. Consider the number of births in Japan fell in two thousand nineteen to a level unseen since eighteen. Seventy vindaloo four around nine hundred thousand but there were one point. Four million deaths for a net loss of five hundred twelve thousand Japanese and even larger laws. Japan's population is expected this year. By the way I've seen this demographic trend Japan will be gone by the end of the twenty of this century gone. Japan's Bob Relation has been shrinking since two thousand and seven. When Desk? I succeeded Burs by eighteen thousand thousand. Now there's a reason why brings us up then. Buchanan says this at the end of the Cold War Bulgaria had nine million people by two thousand seventeen than volunteers. Seven point one million in twenty fifty. Bulgaria population is estimated at five point four million. I lost a forty percent to death and migration sensible guerrier one. It's freedom from the Soviet Empire. Now why do I mention this. What is the cause of this war pestilence famine what because why are the world's population nations declining simple whether it's admitted or not a perverse elevation vacation of evolution Neo Darwinism to our religion? That's practice to a man woman these days he's and manifest itself and family life to contraception abortion and every other Haiti's forsaken moral moral moral him. That man has been warned about since Adam and eve. It's not a coincidence accordance. It isn't so having said that up and just kind of set this off that this is a existential thing or a current crisis repeat current. Let me introduce to you. Our special guests Hugh Owen who was the founder and the CO founder The Saint Maximilian Kolbe Kobe Center for the study in defense of creation. He has been my guest several times. He Ian Robertson Genesis. You'll remember last year we Began January with a stunning two part series of interviews. Why add a matters and then we followed up later in the year and you and I've talked to twice since then? He was the executive producer and has featured as one of the commentators owners in foundations restored. And here's owner dude maker hotline and again you can get to foundations restored to our website to our affiliate link. Think if you just go to crusade channel DOT COM forward slash Adam. Don't take your right to the The sales page and let me assure you who it is worth the purchase price and then some Hugh Owen a blessed feast of the PIFF. Any of our Lord do you. How were you very well? Thanks be to God and the same to you. Mike great to be with you again. His all always great to have you. You want to start us off with a hail. Mary who yes please the name of the father. And of the son of the Holy Ghost on and the Maria Grazia Plan Dominance Pick Benedicta TU. Doing me boosts that Benedictus roof to spend three threes sancta Maria Mater. They OUGHTA PRO nobis. dotty booths known non catching notre more nostrand in the name of the father and of the son the Holy Ghost And Hugh let me. Just start by Congratulating you on this magnificent I don't I don't have the words magnificent. I guess this is probably for for your work on this magnum. Opus of foundations restored How many years went in the planning this thing well into the planning of it probably twenty five or thirty years but in the actual execution of it three and a half years and I want everybody to understand that I had a very small part in this. This is a work of God. It was totally a team effort route and there were many many members of our leadership team who were extremely generous with their the time and resources to bring this about and and above all Keith. Keith Jones the videography for who put together the the video and did so. Many custom made animations to illustrate especially some of the scientific concepts He was is absolutely practically killing himself for the last several months so that we could get this out into the Public Public Forum So it was absolutely a team effort and in addition to all of the leadership team members who worked to write the material real to record the material to make it intelligible to a general audience There were literally hundreds if not thousands of people who prayed including religious communities did prayed and and without those prayers and sacrifices we would never have been able to complete the project well. It is a stunning achievement Take it from someone who's made a full length animated motion picture ship before two of them. So I know a little bit about what goes into this I'm I'm a rank amateur piker compared to keep Jones This is world class stunning animation And I think one of the benefits that will endure are from this. Hugh is that younger. People won't be off and go like well. I didn't like the animation and it was Kinda was boring or it wasn't too it's visually attractive. And this is the first accomplishment to me the visual all of the visual attraction of it And you feel like you're watching something That the enemy would put out. You want to comment on that. Yes I agree with you and we've always kind of been struggling to find the Lord's way between two extremes one of which is to put too much emphasis on the external presentation and to try to beat Hollywood at their own game. I think we came to the conclusion a long time ago. That's a losing battle because the greatest thing that we have on our side is the truth loose and our Lord Jesus Christ said if you continue in my word you will know the truth and the truth will set you free Hollywood with all the talent and and all the money they had. They don't have the truth so at the end of the day just proclaiming. The truth is what will gain us the victory every time but we also have to avoid the other extreme is to say well. Okay we have the truth so we don't need to worry about how we present it and we don't need to take any consideration in in to consideration how young people have been conditioned to receive information in the Times that we're living in because that would also be a serious error so think Keith and the leadership team the team that worked on this project by the grace of God found the mean between these two extremes and we didn't try to beat Hollywood at their own game and get all caught up in all kinds of glitzy let's see special effects and lose sight of essential truth. We were trying to communicate but at the same time Keith especially was able to find a way to make the truth intelligible and attractive to general audience and and I thank God for his genius. Had doing that no it show it shows jumps off the page or off the screen. And as I said I don't don't think anyone is going to to to look at foundations restored and think anything other than my goodness what how much work went into this thing. Hugh Hugh Let. Let's go back to the beginning so there's two next this is that would that you work on here. One is number one. Establish that there is this thing that you call the Cartesian The CARTESIAN Darwin Nexus and then this is stacked up against the the That's the falsity and it is thank compared and contrasted to the truth But I forget the actual turn that you use for The for the truth yes. So they're they're these two frameworks that are being used to look at all of reality and one of them. We call the Cartesian Darwinian narrative. So it's this big overarching framework work than most of US grew up with and most young people throughout the world are being indoctrinated into without even being aware of it and that is the idea that the same kinds of material processes that are going on now have been operating in more or less the same way from the very beginning of the universe and that therefore natural scientists can extrapolate from what we observe here and now in this order of nature that we're living in to explain everything they don't need any revelation from God because just by studying what's going on now in the material universe you can explain the origins of man end of everything in the entire cosmos with our unaided intellect. That's the Cartesian. They're winning framework which it's totally false because it's supposed to the truth. That was revealed by God and Todd in the Church by all the apostles all the fathers all the doctors all the Pope's and council fathers in their teaching and because they're framework which comes from from God is what we call the creation providence framework and in this framework we know from God himself that the entire work of creation in the beginning was supernatural that God created all the different kinds of creatures supernatural early by willing them into existence for us in our first parents. Adam and Eve in view of the Incarnation Asian and the Immaculate Conception and win God's finished creating this entire universe and all the different kinds of creatures for us in our first parents teeth stopped creating and that's what the Sabbath rest of the Lord is all about that God created a perfectly beautiful complete and harmonious universe for us was totally free not only from human death but from deformity he disease struggle for existence genetic defects or any disorders of this kind and it was only then the original sin that brought the human death and deformity and disease and struggle for existence into this world. And this this is based on the understanding then that the whole work of creation was supernatural in that the natural order what many doctors call the order of Providence. Only begin win. The work of creation was finished and therefore natural science has limits I natural scientists cannot extrapolate from what they observe in this fallen world and explain in terms of natural processes would actually came into existence through the Supernatural Agency of the most Holy Trinity. And when you understand this creation providence framework. then you understand reality correctly and you understand correct hierarchy of knowledge because theology then is seen as what she is. The Queen of of the sciences philosophy her handmade and they're the ones who keep the natural scientists within their proper boundaries whereas whereas in the greatest Bergh Darwin Cartesian Darwinian framework. You have the natural scientists extrapolating to absurd lengths way beyond the proper limits of reasonable extrapolation and then dictating on the basis of their wild speculations to the theologians in the philosophers telling them what is right right and what is wrong and this is the prince. This is the root of the whole crisis of faith and morals and the whole anti-culture sure of death is based on this Cartesian this false Cartesian Darwinian narrative and this anti-culture of den will never be destroyed and overcome and replaced with a true culture of life until we restore the foundations of the fate. Which means going back to sanity going back to the creation providence framework which is based on God's revelation of what he did when there were no other witnesses except for the holy angels during the six days of creation? Hugh Owen Z.. co-founder of the same Maximillian coal based Center for the Study and defensive. Creation is also one of the presenters in this Magnificent new video series called foundations restored. And again you can use our affiliate Lincoln get you get yourself a copy of today on DVD or you can stream it and listen and why I watched the entire series online online simply goto crusade channel Dot com forward slash Adam that's crusade channel Dot com for slash atom. Made it easy for. You'll take your right to the purchase page hugh the narrative foundations restored goes methodically. I mean so so much through this process here As I said you and I can talk about this for for days and days and days and never gets at the end of but there is a methodology that is employed here that if someone were to analyze this and look at it going as an entire body of work you would see that foundations restored. It is philosophical theology in it but but it also has science it is to your credit and to keep Jones on a and and John Lennon other participants credit and father. Chad reporter is a part of this. There are two really good priests that That are that are part of the series But this is a not just a theological. This is a scientific destruction of the Darwinian. The CARTESIAN Darwin's Darwinian the narrative. Isn't it yes. But it's very important to understand in what sense we're using natural science to destroy the claims of the molecules demand mythology because there's a temptation to think that we can use natural science to prove the truth of God's revelation regarding creation creation and that is to fall into the very trap that day card in the enlightenment philosophers fell into back in the seventeenth century. Natural Science cannot prove how the universe came into existence supernatural. What's natural natural? Science can do is to show that all naturalistic explanations for the origins of men in the universe Thale and then what we do observe lines up with the creation providence framework and the global flood which is another divine supernatural intervention into the natural order of things which completely ep changed the face of the earth so to be clear natural. Science cannot prove the truth of what God revealed to Moses in the sacred history of genesis but it harmonizes with it and it does totally refute every single naturalistic. Sure Listrik attempts or every attempt to account naturalistic for the origins of man in the universe and for the the geological column if you will which can only be properly explained by Noah's flood and when you when you start at a you started the beginning here so this method. This method methodology in this is process which is very methodical. The first thing that we get into though is okay why is scripture why is sacred scripture. Why is sacred tradition? Why is it sacred and is it reliable and to me I mean look I love the whole series I i? I've already started watching it again because I'm sure I miss parts going through it the first time because it is seventeen episodes long But I was learning so much about And now I've been babbling on anyone. That will listen to me that you don't know what you're talking about when you you say that tradition is some kind of malleable. And it's not reliable sacred. Tradition is as much law is Canon Law all today if you will but you walk the viewer through this process process here to just systematically put at ease and to eliminate anyone that would say that history sacred tradition and sicker scripture and The The constant and non errant and non diverging teachings of all Christians sense our Lord and and then even of the Old Testament tradition all say that there was a creation and that there was a flood. Correct absolutely absolutely. And what's at the root of the anti-culture of death and the Destruction of the fate of most of our young people. It's it's a crisis of faith that goes to the very very core of the being of the believer when you believe in the true doctrine of creation was handed down to us. You understand understand that God created this entire universe for us in view of the incarnation and the Immaculate Conception certainly and therefore a child that grows up with this proper foundation understands at at the deaths of his being that he's the apple of God's I that he is the one that is the center of everything thing in this universe. The young people who are being brought up with theistic evolution are being made to to think that they live on and a speck of dirt in some remote corner of an infinite universe. They came along thirteen point seven billion years after a big bang explosion. Everything about this narrative makes them feel that they are totally insignificant and the other parts of the teaching that they received that are true. Perhaps with regard to the incarnation of our Lord and the redemptive work of of our Lord and and other things that are true that they might still be todd simply don't jive with what they're being told about the origin origins of men in the universe so the whole presentation of the faith is totally incoherent. Right doesn't add up and the in most cases this is they just walk away from it. But the point that I'm trying to get at is at the roots of the anti-culture of death is is the loss of meaning people. Go and kill their babies people go and kill themselves people practice this contraception people euthanize others or want to be euthanized because they do not understand the value that they we have in the sight of God they don't understand the value that mankind has in in the true order of things and this is because they have been robbed of the very foundations of the faith and this is what we need to work together to restore. Because it's the young person who understands the true Catholic doctrine of creation correctly is not going to become an alcoholic drug addict euthanize our contraceptive or an aboard tour. They're not going to do this because they understand who they are correctly. They understand the beauty of reality even a reality that's damaged by sin the understand their importance their value. So you and the incredible role that they can play as cooperators with the work of of Redemption Redemption Instinctive in the Holy Church Hugh O.. And as the executive producer of this new series called foundations restored and and is also the CO founder of the Saint Maximum Kobe Center for the study and defense of creation and as a regular guest here on the Mike Church showing Crusade Channel Foundation restored. You can get your own copy on DVD or low or streaming at Crusade Janelle DOT com forward slash. Adam Adam join me and Three or four others who have already stepped up to the plate You will benefit from this. Your family will benefit from him. and there's no oh price that's too high to pay to err on the side of eternity where this is concerned Let let let's let's get into what's actually in some of the early episodes you one one of the so after the establishment that the inherited see of scripture sure sacred scripture the inherently sacred tradition There is age discussion of okay. So what did the early saints. Tell us about creation. What did the apostles did the apostles no the creation story did? They know the flood story. Did they believe it What did they do with the knowledge? Then there's a discussion of Saint. Augustine Saint Guston cafeteria. Catholics like Nancy. Pelosi like to use Saint Augustine to justify abortion it contraception and take his writings and distort them This is also dealt with. So if you've ever heard that we'll certainly golden suit that genesis. Genesis was in history. This particular objection is actually dealt with an episode number three and has dealt with so thoroughly. There can't can't possibly be any other conclusion that that is not what Saint Augustine taught and that is not what he thought. Correct absolutely really. I'm saying Augusta would have died. Shed every drop of his blood for the literal historical truth every word in the first eleven chapters of the sacred history of Genesis. Just like all the other fathers of the church and it's important to remember that two Ecumenical Councils Trent in in Vatican one defined that when all the fathers agree on any interpretation of scripture that pertains to doctrine of faith or morals that is the truth and we absolutely have to believe it and all the fathers without exception believed in taught the genesis one to eleven is true history. Saint Augustine says that genesis from beginning to end is history the same as the book of kings low different different and therefore we have to believe that every single statement in Genesis one to eleven urban is historical truth. We are not allowed to believe anything else. In fact in humanity generous the last magisterial documents on evolution that was published by the twelve in nineteen fifty one of the things that he tells the bishops of the world isn't it. They must teach h that the first eleven chapters of Genesis are true history so all the fathers without exception including Saint Augustine believed talk this and therefore they also believed and taught that God created everything super naturally He created everything by FIA at all the different kinds of creatures for In our first currents whom he created Adam Body and soul from the the dust of the earth and eve literally from Adam's side and they believed that God then placed Adam and Eve in a very exalted altered state of Holiness as the king and Queen of a perfectly beautiful complete and harmonious universe. That was totally free. Not only from human deaths but from deformity disease man harming natural disasters or any disorders of this kind and and what the only point on which seen Augusta and differ from the rest of the church fathers was on the meaning of up day in Genesis one but as we explain in the DVD series. This is not because Saint Augustine rejected the literal uh-huh obvious sense of scripture or genesis. It's precisely because he knew that the literal sense of genesis was true that he we had to find a way to reconcile what he believed to be an apparent contradiction between genesis one and genesis. Two if they were understood as referring to the days of genesis one as sequential dates. Okay what what we point out up in the episode devoted to Saint Augustine and his interpretation of Genesis is that scene Augusta's great doctors. He was was did not know a word of Hebrew and was not even a master of biblical Greek and therefore or he depended on is Latin translation of the Hebrew scriptures and the Latin translation that he worked with was not the bulk of Saint Jerome. Who was his contemporary was? What is known as the Veterans Latina the Latin translation which which was not as good as Saint Jerome's translation and as a result the Veterans Latina? There is an apparent contradiction between between genesis. One and two if you take the days of Genesis one literally as twenty four hour days as the overwhelming majority of the fathers did that contradiction disappears in the vogue eight translation of Genesis that became the official translation of the church but seeing Augusta was not working from the bogey translation and we show that it was his very the effort to adhere to the literal sense of scripture in genesis that led him to formulate not as something that was handed down from the apostles but as his hypothesis as to how to reconcile all of the information and provided by Moses in the secret history of genesis how it all could be literally true. And that's why he ended up coming up with the idea that God created all the different kinds of creatures instantaneously and then revealed them to the Holy Angels in installments. Installments which correspond to the days of creation and then super naturally Activated if you will these these different what he calls rational seeds rats you only semi novelist and brought them into existence. This has absolutely nothing to do with the. Because according to this interpretation God created everything in less than six days over millions or billions of years and those things that he created in a kind of seed form can only be actualized by by a supernatural intervention of God so there's absolutely no basis in the writings of Saint Augustine for fiesta collusion. And other words for those of you that are philosophical types God created brother Francis. We called prime matter and Dan Malam matter has potency but the potency would be useless and it would remain void. Is Genesis tells us without God's supernatural intervention and using the potency of the matter that he created to then bring forth life and and To bring forth all that we call the universe Hugh I learned this from foundations restored. I'd heard it before. By the time I watched the first five or six episodes so and then just appeared in my mind so crystal clear that I wish I had been taught that from a boy that could save myself a lot of heartache Maybe want some debates along the way and maybe even some converts but if you view it from that point of view then and the only narrative and only scientific narrative that makes any sense and then logically precede is is the one that I just gave at. The matter was created super naturally and God breathed the life into it. It God ordered it so that you have the things that we call the earth. The Universe Stars Moons owns all of the waters of the earth. The land The night and the day that this is all part of that creation and it comes from that creation so one of the other things you'll learn foundations restored. Maybe you can comment in on this a little bit until the light is divided from the night to the day the forces says that are at work that God is using at the time of creation those are his forces their supernatural rule. We're never going to understand him. Because we're not supernatural. Only he is. There is not a scientific explanation explanation forthcoming they can study the Quasar and the polls are and God particle until the they can subdivide. Divide the electron microscope. Times a million. It's not gonNA matter. They're never going to get a scientific. I can show you a B beat CD explanation for creation but there is one that you can learn and it's in genesis. Would you a comment on that. Hugh absolutely what was the first sign. Jon Lord Jesus Christ did it was to change the water into wine at the wedding at Cana now. The church took note of the fact that there were six containers of water at Qena and they commented that this was not a coincidence. There were six containers because our Lord Jesus Christ wanted everybody to understand that the divine power by which he changed ordinary water into the most wonderful wonderful wine that anybody had ever tasted it had all the appearance of having gone through a long natural process that actually never took place was exactly exactly the same divine power by which he with the father and the Holy Ghost created the heavens and the Earth in the seas and all they contain gene in the six days of creation. Now you could get the greatest scientists and engineers in the world. Get them together. Give them the finest technology and unlimited budget and tell them okay. We want you to show us how to change water into wine. And they could be the smartest people that ever lived. They could have an unlimited budget and limited time frame at the end of their research. There'll be no closer to finding the answer they were at the beginning. And that's because the the the wine was super naturally produced just as the whole universe. Divers was super naturally produced in the six days of creation. But there's one other very important point related to this that needs to be brought into focus. Focus for your viewers and listeners. And that is that there are people within the church like Father Robinson for example with the SPX who reject evolution and who showed the absurdity of evolution and its incompatibility with the traditional philosophy of the church. This the as exemplified in the writings of Saint Thomas Aquinas but Father Robinson believes leaves that creation was spread out over billions of years and T- presumably. He looks to Saint Augustine for some kind of patristic warrant for this interpretation because Saint Augustine believed that God created certain kinds of things things in this sued seed form and then brought them into actualization after the end after the instantaneous creation in the beginning. But there's a big problem with that because even Saint Augustine and all the fathers with him hell's held that the chronological information in the Bible is in errands and that we can determine from from the chronological information in the Old Testament especially the genealogies in genesis. Five and eleven that there were no more than several thousand years from creation to the Nativity of our Lord and Saint Augustine absolutely lutely rejects as mendacious the chronologies that had been adopted by many of the Pagan peoples which held that there they were long ages of time from creation until the time when the fathers live so we have to realize that the fathers others to a man believed that the chronological information in the Old Testament was absolutely inherent and and there were only two chronologies that ever had any patristic warrant or did holy mother Church has ever endorsed. One is the chronology that we here at the midnight. Mass for Christmas need your Latin Rite Catholic and you go to the midnight mass in the traditional form and and that tells us that there were approximately five thousand two hundred years from creation the creation of all things to the Nativity the of our Lord. Jesus Christ that was the chronology that was based on the numbers in the genealogies in the SEC to Jin version version of the Old Testament the Greek version of the Old Testament scriptures. But if you look into this subject you will find that venerable bead one of the greatest Scholars in the history of the Catholic Church was one of the great doctors in the first first millennium. Who noted that if you look at the numbers that are derived from the Mass Rettig Tax Hebrew tax of the old Old Testament? They don't agree with the CEP. Two numbers and Hebrew being the original language of Genesis and of the Old Testament. It made more more sense to put more credence in the Hebrew numbers than in the Greek numbers. So what you find is that although uh of interval gingras even accused of being a heretic could during his lifetime because he questioned the five thousand two hundred to five thousand five hundred hundred year time span from creation to the Nativity of our Lord and proposed that the four thousand years that would be derived from the Hebrew text of the Old Testament was more accurate after the council of Trent all of the greatest doctors and commentators commentators on the Bible like Saint Alphonsus Liguori and and Saint Lawrence of Brindisi Cornelius Allah. Pete they all aw took the position of venerable bead that the chronology derived from the Hebrew text of the Old Testament. I was more reliable than the chronology derived from the student tax. And therefore that's why the four thousand years from creation to the Nativity of bar. Lord became the standard chronology that was taught throughout the world. We are suffering today from collective and Nesia MHM You're suffering from collective Amnesia within the Catholic community around the world comparable to what afflicted the Hebrews lose up to the reign of King Asya and then again during the Babylonian captivity when the overwhelming majority even the educated people simply forgot lost touch with the Torah including the sacred history the of Genesis which is the first book of the Law because we know from the scriptures themselves that in the reign of King of science then in the time of king in the time of Nehemiah Newsra the people who heard the first five books of the Bible were weeping because they had they had have no idea what these books contain and this is very much the situation. We're in today because we do not realize that if you go back to the period after the first Vatican council which is the last Ecumenical Council that function as all ecumenical counsels in the history of the church had always functioned up to an including Vatican one which is to say that it diagnosed the principal errors of the day. anathematise them and defined the truth that needed to be defined in opposition to those errors every catechism catechism that was in use throughout the entire world after Vatican One taught young people that that God created all things in six twenty four hour days four thousand years before the Nativity of our Lord. Jesus Christ we we document this in Our most recent newsletter which anybody can look up at the Kobe Center website. WWW DOT kobe center dot dot Org and we show for example that the catechism by Ave gone which was used to teach the little flower Hussein inquires the tenth called the greatest saint of modern times the catechism that was used to teach her. The faith teaches that God created everything everything in six twenty four hour days four thousand years before the Nativity of our Lord. Jesus Christ the same catechism teaches. Is that the sun goes around. The you're the same catechism teaches the little flower and her whole generation how to answer the skeptics. Who say well? How could there be days without the sun? If some of your listeners or viewers have read the works of Father Stanley Jaki. They know that he dismisses the whole patristic witness to the literal historical interpretation Asian of Genesis. One on these grounds that well you can't have days without Sun and obviously the sun wasn't created until day four so obviously we. You don't need to waste our time taking seriously. The possibility that genesis one is meant to be taken literally raw the little flower or was taught in her catechism. The catechism first bierens what Saint John Krystal and the church fathers had taught in their de eh namely the God knew that men would attribute the the life life and sustenance of plants and animals to the action of the son and therefore God revealed to them through Moses and through ad in the original revelation that Adam received that he created the sun on the fourth day so that human beings who upheld who maintained maintained the revelation from God about the creation would never fall into idolatry and worship the sun. And what happened just a little bit south of where you are brother Mike. They were sacrificing Kensit thousands of people every year to the sun where they not just say word until Our Lady of God loopy appeared so the the intellectual snobbery of so many Catholic intellectuals notwithstanding the fact of the matter is that the answer that was given in the catechism perseverence severence is as true today as it was true in the time of the little flower sink or in the time of Saint John Christon or the apostles cels because God created light on day one and created the angels on Day One and that light was I liked the pillar of fire. That's super naturally illuminated the night for the Hebrews in during the exodus. It was not a big bonfire that they lit every night and that was to show that bringing the people out of Egypt was a new creation dislike the original creation when he created the world world and that light which was super naturally created alternated with darkness to create the twenty four hour day night cycle. Oh until God created the Sun and this is why Moses cells tells us that God created the sun to rule the day. Can you rule something thing that doesn't exist. No you can't. Then what was the son ruling. The Sun was created to rule the day because the day had already already been in existence for for the three days prior to the fourth day of creation so we are suffering from collective amnesia. My brothers others insist. Do you want your children to be raised like Saint Theresa. Who is the little flower or do you want them to be raised? Like ninety five to ninety nine percent of Catholic young people today who are being taught theistic evolution mythology in their own Catholic schools and homeschooling co-ops so Just to be clear Vatican one and his catechism that you're talking about these would would post date. Darwin's origin of species correct absolutely Darwin published origin of species in in eighteen. Fifty nine and the catechism said I'm talking about were written in the seventies eighties nineties eighteen seventies eighties eighties nineties so this was well after Darwin one of the things. That is very important to understand. Is that the magisterial. I'm just doing with. The church. Did Not anathematise Darwin's wild speculations. In large part because pope Blessed Papayas to nine and Poke Leo. The thirteenth considered his ideas so absurd that he was not necessary to anathematise them explicitly. Now with twenty twenty hindsight we can say that it would have been great if they had in that Darwin's ideas explicitly. But the fact of the matter is we have the statement of blessed papayas the ninth instill saying in a an endorsement that he wrote for a critique of of biological evolution by a French physician that these ideas of biological evolution. We're so oh absurd that they were totally refuted by by history and by Philosophy and common sense that they shouldn't need any reputation mutation nevertheless he says I heartily endorsed this book because it does show that from the standpoint of natural science. The ideas do not hold water. But what happened was and this is undoubtedly one of the most diabolical cold dissections that has ever occurred in the history of Christianity. If not the worst at the end of the nineteenth century earns earns tackle was probably the one who is most successful in sowing doubt in the minds of a new generation interrelation of Catholic intellectuals and he his work went hand in hand with the work of the geologist. Charles Lyell and James Hutton and their successors in disciples because by the end of the nineteenth century. We do who have leading Catholic scholars like father vigorous beginning to question the biblical chronology on the ground. That geology has proven that there were. These vast age is that occurred from creation down to the time of the Nativity any of our Lord. And this was the wedge that's the Satanic Forces were able to drive into the ranks of of Catholic professors Catholic academics and once there was doubt with regards to the biblical chronology phonology then the floodgates were opened and there were many many seminary professors as early. Here's The nineteen twenties and thirties. COUVERT peaching the future bishops of the Church that Genesis was not got a faithful historical account of creation bend the first period of the history of the world and that is the that was is the beginning of the destruction of the foundations of the faith but after Vatican one in the immediate aftermath of that great ecumenical council there was still unanimity in all of the major catechism. That were be being used to teach the faith to the generation of Saint tourism-leisure the little flower that God created everything by in six twenty four hour days. That fall of genesis was to be taken as literal historical truth that there was a global flood. Everything that the fathers believed was maintained in the standard Cata cases that was being given to Catholic young people people throughout the entire world in the generation immediately following the first Vatican council you all and is the executive picketed producer. Foundations restored seventeen. DVD series. That you can purchase crusade channel DOT COM forward slash. Adam this is now I viewed as a as a learning course. This is not a mini series. That you watch for for entertainment folks this is this is not new. Y- You benge watch because the last season of your favorite show is over on Amazon Prime And this is the teaching tool. It's a learning so it it is presented and of course now. I believe that having watched the whole the thing now and even seeing a couple episodes twice I believe that Children that are approaching. Adolescence are Perfectly able to digest the material and that any anyone. That's homeschooling Would take serious advantage of this You would be able to use uses on your teenage children. Hugh there There is no a better after nine years old or ten year old On the series. So is there. I'm sorry. Can you say that again. I didn't understand the question. There is no suggestion age Under which which maybe a child would not understand foundations restored. Okay no in our experience Certainly it's it's more appropriate for a teenage audience generally speaking but younger children especially if they've been home educated gated and they have an interest in the subject matter can still benefit greatly from from Studying from viewing it ten. We have a teacher's guide which will give any parent or teacher. A very good idea of how to Have a productive discussion of the material after each episode. And this is something we would really beg you to seriously seriously. Pray about organizing a A whole showing of the entire. DVD theories perhaps one a week for seventeen weeks with a discussion of course beginning with prayer and then showing the DVD. Are you serious having a discussion ending with prayer And if you can find a pastor who's willing to host the the series in the parish that would be ideal but if not maybe you can find A home school coop a private Catholic School Newman Club on on a college campus or even just hosted in your own home but using this teacher's guide I that we provide anybody who has the face who's in the state of grace who loves God and loves souls does is going to be able to have a very successful fruitful. Course if you just show get a group of people together and and show this course at least one episode a week for seventeen weeks and I hope that many of faithful Catholics in your audience will take advantage of this is opportunity. Now we've been talking with you. Oh and foundations restored about the first Three to five episodes here the of the series after you get to the The these introductory episodes and after you get through the The episodes that deal with the inadequacy of scripture and then There's even a definition if you ever wondered heard what is a magic stereo him. How does something become magisterial? Well foundations restored. Well actually explain it to you so you won't have to be wondering about that because it's important to the To the to your understanding of the rest of the series that takes us all the way through episode number five. I WANNA I wanNA close today. And he was agreed to a second part Our conversation here. I WanNa close today with a discussion and This is where we first skit into now why it is important to conquer Darwin. Why does Darwin have have to be conquered and it is because his diabolical fingerprints are all over almost every error of the modern world and and the next episode begins with the The alien the failure of the evolutionary icons. And if you don't know what an evolutionary icon is. I'm sure you can explain it to you but you all know the most famous one and and I don't know if there's an actual name for you but it's the one where you get little champ. You get bigger champ. You get bigger champ now you get large champ almost standing upright and then you get man so let's talk about the destruction or the The failure of the evolutionary icons certainly evolutionary icons are images that have been used to convince the public that there is a sound scientific basis for molecules to man evolution for example. The Peppered moths that most of us were forced to study in our high school. Biology analogy courses. Right are they are an icon of evolution. Because he's peppered. Moths were used to convince all of us. That the changes that occurred over alleged to have occurred in a population of peppered moths in England after the industrial revolution could be extrapolated to the the changes that occurred to make a chimpanzee or a common ancestor of chimpanzees in humans. Turn into a human in body but as we demonstrate with the help of experts scientists in the field it turns out that peppered. Moths are a complete fraud. And I won't go into all the details of that. I hope that your viewers listeners will get the DVD series and and see how each and every one of the principal evolutionary icons are totally demolished the actual scientific literature. But the point that I want to make is that the the The harm that these icons of done is not just to make a whole generation of young people not just one generation but several generations of young people like myself believe leave that there was a sound scientific basis for this mythology that molecules could turn into human bodies to the same kinds of material processes processes. That are going on now. What was what was worse was for the Catholics? To then be be led to believe that that natural science was in a higher position of authority than theology. This was the most terrible perversion version. Because that is what has led directly to disorders that we see all around us in the Catholic community today today there is no discord that cannot be linked directly to the abuse of natural science science to justify some kind of ecological alarmism having to do with climate. Change or justifying accompanying euthanasia or accompanying sodomites or accompanying any kind of abomination. You could imagine every single single one of these attempts to justify abominations is based on using or rather abusing natural science and exalting the fallible opinions of human beings in the realm of natural science above the word of God as it was understood in the church from the beginning and this is why it is so important for every Catholic parents every teacher everyone who has responsible responsibility for young people in any way to show them that these evolutionary icons are fraudulent and to to have them demolished in front of the eyes of the young people who are under their care. And let's get down to the basic reality that evolutionary mythology denies. And it's is this. God created a perfect world. When the original sin occurred we became subject to what Saint Paul calls in Romans eight a bondage to decay ever since that time all genomes in the entire biosphere? His fear has been degrading the mechanism that we were taught changes microbes into human bodies. That is to say mutation and natural selection is actually and this is an empirical fact which is acknowledged in in the real scientific literature. That same mechanism is actually destroying genomes as we speak so that whereas evolutionary solution area mythology tells us that through a natural process of evolution. New Oregon's and new functions are coming into existence assistance and we are going to evolve into superman with a little bit of help from our engineers. The reality he is. We are devolving into McDonalds man or worse that is the reality and the scientific the portion of our DVD series that Deals with the claims. The natural science claims of the cosmological evolution is and biological evolutionist the principal truth that you'll see being brought forward again by the physicist by the biologist by the geologist whatever expertise that particular individual has the theme that runs through the testimony again and again is that whether we're talking about cosmological evolution or biological evolution. They are going against reality. Because whether we're talking about star formation or New Oregon's coming into existence in biological evolution. It's a mythology because the scientific reality what we observe mark and in the laboratory is that things break down things go from order to disorder. That is reality. Let's see molecules men. Evolution is fundamentally a Satanic denial refusal to accept reality not as it is which we can only really understand when we accept God's revelation about how everything came came into existence in the beginning. So if you want to live in reality you have to take God's revelation as your starting point and and then you can look at the real world and see that it fits perfectly within the framework that God has given us in the sacred history of genesis any sacred tradition of the church. Let me just say a word about the peppered. Moth the peppered moth that you'll learn about an foundations restored is revealed to be And and and the study of it as an icon is revealed to be a complete and total fraud from the start annual. Learn this and again we don't have to get into the details But you will see you and you will earn one of the other things that you'll learn. I learned when we get into Depart and the DVD where the fossil record is dealt with. They will save this for next week. When you get into the part where the fossil record is dealt with? You'll will find that well for the most part. There is no quote fossil record. There are foss souls but the idea that you can make a record record out of them and that they record some transformation. Some mutation from Australia Pincus for example to Homo Homo Erectus is just preposterous. There's nothing to see their. It's all conjecture it's all theory and and their own science disproves it but we'll save that for for For our next interview with you. Hugh the other thing that I would suggest for anyone that is is on the fence here about this. Go watch the first two episodes. So which are free. So you get a great to our long introduction to the series if you watch the first two episodes and And you can use our link to get to the site crusade channel Dot com forward slash. Adam I think that the first two episodes will convince you The value of the whole series and seventeen streaming downloads. You know the full price for the streaming version is seventy six dollars. I pay seven hundred sixty dollars for. I think I think put a price tag on just kind of an education so so I would just encourage you. If you're thinking about this you're going like wow no this is from May I can't think of an instance where any Catholic or any Christian tonight. I know we're not benefit from foundations restored. Unless you've had the course and that's you've had someone who taught you this. I cannot imagine a scenario Dario into which you're someone at some level is not going to benefit from this series. I'll give you the final word. You thank you so much I I just want to thank God for your courage in proclaiming the truth without regard for human respect and I would like to ask all the listeners to please make your own investigation if you if finances is there a problem and you cannot afford the series you can contact me through the Kolbe Center website. There's a way to do that. You'll find it and We'll let you of you it for free if you will promise to watch the whole thing with an open heart and mind but when you make your own investigation if if you come to the conclusion that what we are defending is the truth is the foundation of the fate that was handed down to us from the apostles. Please get into the fight. We are losing ground every day because the truth is not being proclaimed claimed to our young people and our goal is to make sure that every single Catholic young person in the entire world for starters gets to hear here at least one good defense of the true Catholic doctrine of creation. That is the foundation of the faith. We need your prayers. We need your sacrifices. We need ager involvement. So if you make your investigation and you conclude that what we are defending is the truth. Please get in touch get involved. Join Gideon's is army. And we're helping by the grace of God to pave the way for that in that triumph of the Immaculate Heart Word of Mary that Our Lady of Fatima Promised The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is an interior triumph so when enough of us are living in our consecration to Jesus through Mary are living the truth. That comes from God in all of our thoughts words and actions. That's what's going to bring being down the grace that we need for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart. Then all the external things will happen the consecration of Russia which has never taken place the conversion of Russia and the era of peace and the greatest evangelization. The world has ever seen and that evangelization. And he's not GonNa be on the foundation of theistic. Evolution or progressive creation is going to be on the foundation of the sacred history history of genesis as it was believed in taught in the church from the beginning. Thank you and God bless you engineers. The reality is we are devolving into McDonalds man or worse that is the reality and the scientific the the portion of our DVD series that Deals with the claims. The natural science claims of cosmological Malaysia evolutionist and biological evolution is the principal. Truth that you will see being brought forward again by the physicist by the biologist by the geologist whatever expertise that particular individual has the theme that runs through the testimony again and again. Is that whether we're talking about cosmological evolution or biological evolution. They are going against reality. Because whether we're talking about star formation or new Oregon's coming into into existence in biological evolution it's mythology because the scientific reality what we observe commissioner and in the laboratory. Is that things break down. Things go from order to disorder that is reality molecules to men. Evolution is fundamentally a Satanic denial a refusal to accept reality as has it is which we can only really understand when we accept God's revelation about how everything came into the existence in the beginning. So if you want to live in reality you have to take God's revelation as your starting point and then and you can look at the real world and see that it fits perfectly within the framework that God has given us in the sacred history of genesis and in the sacred tradition of the church. Let me just say a word about the peppered. Moth the peppered moth at you'll learn about and Foundations restored is revealed to be A and I and the study of it as an icon is revealed to be a complete and total fraud from the start annual. You'll learn this and again we don't have to get into the details But you will see you and you will learn one of the other things that you'll learn. I learned When we get into the to the apart and the DVD where the fossil record is dealt with? They will save just for next week. When you depart with the fossil record is Dell with? You'll find signed that well for the most part. There is no quote fossil record. There are fossils but the idea that you can make a record out out of them and that they record some transformation. Some mutation from Australia pick for example to homo. Oh Homo Erectus. It's just preposterous. There's nothing to see their. It's all conjecture it's all theory and their their own science disproves it but we'll save that for for a for our next interview with you. Hugh the the other thing that I would suggest for anyone that is is on the fence here about this. Go Watch the first two episodes which get your free. So you get a great to our long introduction to the series if you watch the first two episodes and And you can use our link to get to the site crusade channel Dot com forward slash. Adam I think the first two episodes will convince you of the value of the whole series and seventeen streaming downloads. You know the full price for the streaming version is seventy seventy six dollars. I pay seven hundred sixty dollars for think. I don't think you can put a price tag on just kind of an education so I I would just encourage you if you're thinking about this and you're going to like I don't know this is for me. I can't think of an instance where any Catholic or any Christian that I I know. We're not benefit from foundations restored. Unless you've had the course and you've had someone taught you this. I cannot imagine a scenario in the witch. You're someone at some level is not going to benefit from this series. I'll give you the final word. You thank you so much. Mike I just want to thank God for your courage in proclaiming the truth without regard for human in respect and I would like to ask all listeners to please make your own investigation if you if finances are a problem album and you cannot afford the series you can contact me through the Kolbe Center website. There's a way to do that. You'll find it and we'll let you view it for free if you will promise to watch the whole thing with an open heart and mind but when you make your own investigation if you come come to the conclusion that what we are defending is the truth is the foundation of the fate that was handed down to us from the apostles. Please get into the fight. We are losing ground every day because the truth is not being proclaimed and to our young people and our goal is to make sure that every single Catholic young person in the entire world for starters gets to hear at least one good defense of the true Catholic doctrine of creation. That is the foundation of the faith. We need your prayers. We need your sacrifices. We need your involvement solvent. So if you make your investigation and you conclude that what we are defending is the truth. Please get in touch get involved. Join Gideon's army any and we're helping by the grace of God to pave the way for that in that triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary a that Our Lady of Fatima Promised The triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary is an interior triumph so when enough of us are living our consecration to Jesus through. Mary are living the truth. That comes from God in all of our thoughts words and actions. That's what's going to bring down the grace that we need for the triumph of the Immaculate Heart. Then all the external things will happen the consecration of Russia which has never taken placed placed the conversion of Russia and the era of peace and the greatest evangelization. The world has ever seen and that evangelization is. He's not GONNA be on. The foundation of mystic evolution or progressive creation is GonNa be on the foundation of the sacred history of Genesis Genesis as it was believed in taught in the church from the beginning. Thank you and God bless you.

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3x3 - Relating Better With Difficult Coworkers

Developer Tea

07:54 min | 1 year ago

3x3 - Relating Better With Difficult Coworkers

"Whether we'd like to admit it or not we've all dealt with a difficult co worker and the level of difficulty and the reason for the difficulty is really highly varied. Every single situation is different in every a person is different in today's three by three episode. We're talking about three strategies for dealing with difficult coworker relationships. My Name is Jonathan Control and you're listening to develop not my goal in the show was helped driven developers like hugh find clarity perspective and purpose in your careers and we've all had this kind of problem and if you haven't had it then you're probably an anomaly or maybe you will have it in the future so you can refer back to this episode when it does happen but the reality is that there's not any one silver bullet way to deal with difficult co workers now to lay the foundation for some of the kind of theory that we're. GonNa talk talk about in today's episode. We have to affirm the idea that the level of difficulty that you have with a given person is fundamentally league a part of your relationship to them in other words. Someone is not just out on their own being difficult. The difficulty is a difficulty of relationship now. That's not to say that you're the only one has trouble Bible with this particular person. They may have a particular ways of behaving that are not tenable for a lot of people or it may be that just rubs you the wrong way. In either case there are strategies that you can use to relate better to this person in the first. Our strategy is to simply be on their side. What does this mean practically whenever that person is doing something that you don't totally understand end instead of entrenching yourself in what you already believe in what you already feel in your frustration and that feeling of annoyance that you might have towards a person instead of retreating back to that place where you normally go try to get on their side of the fence try to see things their way. This is a particularly good technique for developers because a lot of the time the difficulties that we have come down to technical opinion. We end up bike shedding for hours often. I'm productively but if we can set aside our own opinion if we can Ken lay that down and see things through someone else's eyes then we often understand that most of our opinions about software development are at least partially arbitrary it may not be that they are actually arbitrary to you but when it comes down to do the goal that you have the common kind of objective that is shared between you and the person that is difficult both your way and their airway may work well and if you can see things through their perspective one of two things is likely to happen either one. You're going to change your own mm perspective because you see things in a new way through their perspective or the second thing that might happen is because you understand their position position better. You may be able to explain how to bridge the gap between your opinion and their opinion the fundamental idea here is instead of retreating and trying to pull somebody to your side. It's important that you take steps towards them. You can visualize. How an argument is going to play out if you can imagine someone leaning in towards the other person to hear the nuances of what they're saying rather than leaning back so that they can yell louder the Second Strategy for relating better to a difficult co worker is to think further into the future pitcher most of the time the struggles that we have between one worker and another those struggles are temporary. They're focused on on temporary problems like for example this project or this particular feature or this particular client and often if if we can stretch what we're focusing on if we can stretch that target out a little bit further into the future then a lot of that interpersonal conflict will diffuse. He's very quickly. The third and final strategy that I recommend in dealing better with a difficult co worker is to try and articulate your problem problem in terms of your own fears most of the issues that we have with other people stem from fears. There's that we have about how that conflict is going to affect us. Let's say for example that in your opinion one of your co workers there's on your team is lazy. Well your outrage them. Being Lazy is not some kind of problem that you have with laziness in general most most likely it's based on the fear that that person's laziness is going to cause a negative outcome for you. Maybe you're going to have to clean up after them or maybe you're going to have to work extra to make sure the project comes in on time or maybe you are worried that this person is going to take advantage of of their position and that they're not going to be held accountable for their laziness and this means a bad outcome for you because it likely creates a dysfunctional. Functional team or perhaps you have a fear that you will be treated unfairly the feeling that you're pulling your weight but the other person isn't now the reason this is so important is because if you can articulate things in terms of your fears then you can start to address the underlying problem blohm at its source rather than trying to externalize that fear and turn it into kind of an activated targeting mechanism you can can start to kind of work on your internal perspective your internal relationship with this person and address those fears. These three techniques are all about realizing that you have a relationship with this person that this isn't about fixing the team. It's not about fixing that person. It's more about fixing how you see that person how you respond to their actions in the workplace. You're unlikely to change people in your career. You're going to be much better off if you can focus more more on changing the way you relate with them and very rarely <hes> you may run into a situation where the difficulty is simply not worth it but the most of the time the relationship work is going to get you to the place where you need to be and really this is how you build incredible teams to begin with. Thank you so much for listening to today's episode. If you enjoyed this episode I encourage you to subscribe to developer team. Whatever podcasting up you are already using today's? Today's episode wouldn't be possible without Spec Dot F._M.. There are other awesome podcasts that are built specifically for designers and developers like you were looking to level up in your careers. Go and check it out SPEC dot F._M..

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With no words in the video and faster music on automation

Learn English with Cullen's podcast by EATT magazine

05:52 min | 8 months ago

With no words in the video and faster music on automation

"What is automation? Hello friend thank you for joining. Learn English with Cullen today today we are talking about what is automation. And how could we use it to learn English. What is is automated instable? Automation is way a method or kind of system of operating eighty or controlling on making the process by highly automatic names it reduces is the need for people supporting the process or the device by automating appropriate and he it is an example of automation and how we can use it to learn English. The first is filling in the form inside this. Listen with your name. Email and announces this will automatically send you a copy of your onto so you can review your answers. These are just some ways. This can help you to learn English Pasta. Stop it keeps you quick. Instant automatic feedback straightaway asks you to check your answers again. So you were teaching yourself helps you find any areas. You need to improve. been this listen offers you a chance to listen or watch the listen again. His your memory any hugh woods you need to remember. Develops your problem solving abilities teeth and helps you to recall. Woods improves your brain's flexibility in other areas with new ideas and concepts. So they we have it. We give just learned some of the advantages of automation in learn English with now. What some other examples of automation automatic assay? They bleed the lines ad machines. The Automated Assembly lines specializes in STIMLJE inspection king and packaging in the latest stage of product manufacturing business in this rules so the example of win a customer arrives. Welcome them and get them a drink. Robotics attics and be flexible machines legs enough to range of tasks algorithms uses. This is computer logic to make a decision. What might be some disadvantages of automation automation? People may fear losing their jobs. This could be such. In the example example of a pizza delivery person could be replaced with a drug for example cost. It could cost a lot of time and money create an automation. That may not work in a way that provides a knauf benefits. You need people with experience. Who Know How to change the rules if a process changes okay so tell us in the comments in questions section of this? Listen listen here of questions. Are you ready. You can fill in the online forum now both in Europe one time one. What is today's listen about? Fill in the blacks. This will automatically all of your answers so you can review your answers in the blacks three. It gives hugh away four offers. You a chance to the list again five. What is the business? Role example given six fill in the blanks algorithms uses. And there's a funny question for you at the end number seven and please remit but to sheared this. Listen with your friends and family learning English. Don't answer the questions in this lesson and move on to the next lesson here at age. MAG DOT COM.

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Find Your Own Path

WCRI Flash Brief

02:19 min | 7 months ago

Find Your Own Path

"Hi game. Shokhin was to Web Comic Museum. Views today stiffer today by German path. Here's the problem. People Basically Find Excess S. and the Greg along with it. That's fine through them. It may not work for you. Other people have made mistakes. They're drowning. Hey let them drown out. You don't need to be screened part of that same pool but I mean that in the most literal the bottom line here is that you need really you have your destiny. You what McHugh Hugh special and it's not going to be the same thing make somebody else special ye figure out. What is that you like you? Would you want to you and what you're good at trying to figure out some way. Put all that together. You need basically when it comes down to it find a pass that works for you it. It may not work for other people. That's fine they aren't you. You have your own desires. You own a duly your own dreams and you did some degree follow. Oh streams if you've got you those in the service of others great the green tinted mind up with what people need down the road. Oh you know you want us really great American cool you WanNa save all these animals. There's nothing wrong with saving animals. Heck I I definitely have the problem. You're going to spy facts. I like spiders. But that's something that you need to realize it makes you specials that you have what take b you put yourself on your own. Little casting may not be able to work on somebody else's in fact that's probably they've set for themselves as did them. It's not necessarily for you like I said the onset of this some people will find success for themselves. That's great but what works for. It may not work for you and like you said a lot of people are basically found a way to basically ground themselves and they want to regulate people down with them. That's definitely nine. That's something you want to get into so when it comes down to it pick out. What makes you special? What you WANNA do? Find Your own path. He likes like just checking my here a little bit more. Please check me out. Who have gone through interviews any podcast distributor near you? Thank you have a great day.

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