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Episode 41: Episode 41. Jason Dottley: Jerry's B-Bob's, The Rose Room, Fubar and Beige.
"Welcome to another episode of the gay bar show where we explore gay history one bar at a time. I'm your host art smith and today our guest is jason donnelly singer songwriter and producer. Who is also fan of numerous gay bars. And we'll hear about those in just a moment. So welcome jason gonna how much. I'm just kind of excited. We've been trying to get this interview together for awhile and finally we managed to pull it together. I know you've been going out to some of the gay bars for a while and my whole project is about recording the history and stories of gay bars all over the country. So i'm really excited to hear about some of the bars you're gonna talk about because nobody has talked about any of them yet. So the first bar you mentioned was called. Jerry's be bob. Tell me about all right. So jerry's by hugh nolan's but you don't wanna to get all the way into the insanity of neurons then you go to mobile. It's the the same way they have the phrase that they gay night life was twenty four seven because when the public has said has close the one right next to it is a membership only in his open all night. It's just it's it's just great I've lost my train of thought bliss jerry's cherries are still in operation. By the way. I say oh me yes thank you. So basically a year is a downstairs area with ham machines Full tables and a bar. Upstairs is huge dance and Stage in the dance floor. Back when i started working there was a may still is is. It was entirely lighted like in the seven news. Each each swear tile illuminates like your name was fly by or you know the colors and they really they really care about what you know the gay bars if they were serving the people of mobile alabama. And it's show and they were the first place to ever ever ever hire me and so you forever. Great fall to the first person that says he added. Maybe you're maybe somebody. So what did you do there I think i was probably the first thing was promoting my i reckon so it was probably need performing two songs or maybe just one and it was the song that was about it was out on billboard so i was having to club citizen and and sing it. Seeing seeing it's to help you drive it into people's ears because if you're not a pop song are a a radio song this remixed people don't know your music unless go all the time. And then you just know oh. I love the saw so so they kind of helped us a career. I'm sorry they launched helped launch your music career. They're out definitely what kind of crowded they have there. Was it a pretty mixed bar or was it all like preppy white boys or what. What kind of people go to to have on my god. I say this because most most of my family one of these people actually is most likely my cousin. It's a lot white trash. I'm a quarter whites racks. I with love. Those are my people to There's a lot of lights. Right is a lot of lesbian. They all intervene. Goal is something. You see early anywhere. Then i i wouldn't even evelyn saints majority white and majority okay. Yeah for sure. I wouldn't say that there was Any noticeable lack of of diversity and that's somewhat common in smaller city bars like and new york and atlanta. The bars tend to segregate more By race and by gender. But it's a lot of the smaller southern towns especially you get a lot of mixture because there's only one or two really good places to go to begin with and everybody wants to go there so But this is pretty cool. They've been around for like thirty years. Now which is pretty amazing. The the next car that you mentioned was foo bar. And i thought it was kind of amusing. One of their slogans that they used in their advertising said. This is not your father's gay bar. I don't know a might be your daddy's but maybe not your father's that's for sure It's it's you know in my late teens. And my very early twenties. I went out partying. I did molly like two times a week. And i got off at clubs and the that for most people but then you burn out in a year scooters your body just act this anymore phase out So the has everything and then also. I'm sure it's not code imagi- code but like it used to be a guy in a pool table that night they put these apply with over. So you can dance on the dancer and you can nap on whatever whatever whatever will have a guy like regularly who just for. I don't know how long shifts where he just sat on one of those like fuck by fuck machine bites and still just plowed him for like the whole party. That was just you know that was his his contribution. I also and it's nice sound really vulgar. But it's i can't help it it's attributed and it wasn't my doing I always poor. Launched a club tour would have my. My friend owns lavar and saint. Check that out as well. it's the degraded and i would hang out leaving town next week. A certain shows rehearsal. I just need like is needed for months. Live before but you know no promotion. Nothing my Tonight's going on. I take the my do. My songs unsigned just to give me give me the grew and he always advise and dog Some ex husband loved to go boy. And i was fine with it. You know. and he's asked me said. Hey can my favorite go way chant. He dance. You know what you're saying. And i was like i don't care like fine so i get on stage. Mrs very tiny stage by the way and relied on. I thought i lost you. I a second sorry. My battery When i was on stage. I put my hand up in very easily actually like lean into the ceiling. So this is how i title space young performing with this guy and thank god. This was like two thousand nine before great cell phone cameras or you know a lot. The main social media but I'm performing and have mahinda on the The ceiling The back of my aunts can wriggle down. And i thought. Oh he's just back there like doing might yell something dirty and i mean. There's no choreography to this. Is going to be singing. The resumes tour but there was overnight. And i'm just going with it. Lets you do right. And then i noticed that he gets The back of my can't stop all way below my ass. And i'm thinking oh my god what is happening here is my bare ass out right now through bihar and so i am just stunned and i just keep singing and i'm still in the same position down below your house yet. Yeah i answer but and He starts eating my ass problem seeing all the fully in anywhere my options like you know like snack him away. That's that seems to rude and it was also Foo bar you know. And that's what he wanted to do. It was through our. I was down but make the only thing i questioned was that you know. A lot of performers myself sometimes depends on alma gig of right before we go on stage. We have a crazy shit. It's just the truth. This like you all the nerves in anxiety out of you and it was like he had no idea the territory that he was landing at like. I didn't know anything and so cut me off the next. I'm sure that did not make our top ten of all time list though. Because i've looked at a lot of their ads and i've seen a lot of their promotions and it seems like their whole concept is wrapped up around the idea of big dicks bear chaz naked man hot sex. You know all kinds of debauchery. So i don't think anybody. There was probably shocked. Probably just thought. Oh that's part of the. That's part of the act and i went with it man. I really didn't know what else to do. So i was just like all right. This is happening. this is happening. I think they're closed right now. Because of kobe restrictions. Right properly i. I don't know as far as i haven't seen any events posted on their website or facebook in about a year. So i'm assuming that's why they're closed and i'm not a hundred percent serve. This is so like the image. The is that you see you know you mentioned like the the like the furry bears you know for bar the whole thing. I think they intentionally been using the imagery they started. Egmont with into the now And maybe that is. I don't know maybe a helps Receives yeah i've never been there so next time on l. i'll have to check it out now. Both of those bars had a little bit of a of a cd sexy image to them. But the next bar that you mentioned is a polar opposite to those beige was like elegant fancy upscale originally in a penthouse location and a high-rise on what sunset and vine but what did you like about h every single thing that you just listed and the fact that. It was the first time that i was able to club. That site using Wasn't the pop. I heard on the radio was club. Music that required ecstasy in drugs for not all sound. Exactly the same. Like doesn't move me necessarily something about this day. It was quite an experience from what i understand. The originally i think you original location burned down. I think that a big for her there and they had to move and they moved a few blocks away. But everything i've seen about it. It was just so nicely it looked like a place. You can take your parents or somebody you know for dinner. Clubbing wasn't going on. The dance was very tightening. A very packed. It was more of a small dance dance area with a lot of booths for vietnamese reservations. And so you've looked back. There would be x. Files director is brian. Brian annual hughes one of the biggest hollywood directors areas. I can't think of his name to save my life or out but He did x. Men in the end of muslim marvel marvel music marvel bubis. He will be always be with his wingmen. Trying to you know made a really young looking boy And you'd see other people there. That was kind of that kind of cool to and also it was just no other space like it like. They moved from that location for different. Look than hollywood and everything about it. The whole vibe chains. I will say though. They had to close at. They had the fucking foes the elevator up to the top floor 'em before it's thoughts at the door. You would literally go own. Thank you thought you're gonna drop everytime that's how it was the. It was a joke amongst us but we really mortified nice to have a bar. That's got a little bit of a different five than every other bar down the street. You know that's why. I'm kind of excited Even after cova apparently lance bass says he's opening a kind of mega club in in west hollywood and From all the press. That i've read about it it's supposed to be a upscale. Fancy all the bells and whistles on a kind of club. So i'm kind of looking forward to seeing something like that. Come back well. I think that the hollywood is exactly the place for you. There's a market. There is a huge market of over spenders and Yeah it's it's your it's break for sure and it's it's nice to know that after all these bar closing from last year and a half during cova It's nice to know that there's gonna be some fresh blood in the in the bar circuit. We're gonna see some new new places to go in different cities. There's a great new bar called the cue. That just opened up in manhattan. Also into the you. Thank you have you. I went on a I went on a not us. It's used a wednesday night and there was a it was a candidate thing. If you want that situation well It was really great. I in the a very nice and we can see ray long but we want to check it out. I think Metway friend is friends of the owners or the promoters. So yes so. There's three owners. One of them is the guy that owns boxers in new york And he's also in construction into development business so he did all the build out there all the steel cages and catwalk and everything that you see in there. He did all that. I interviewed another one of the owners just before they opened frankie sharp and he star. Frankie syrup is about mid mid thirties a not what. Maybe maybe a. I don't know the race. Maybe x-ray sir. I think he said he was asian. Part a no that that might be. I think i think this person used to be housemate and and new york city. I'm i'm pretty sure it is. But he's one of the owners there and then there's the third owner who was also promoted in manhattan and they also have a cast of celebrities as investors there so It's it's pretty pretty cool. The whole place the way they set it up and everything now another another bar that you mentioned that you really enjoyed is bars at i. I'm not sure i've ever been to bud. I've been in the building You mentioned the rose room at s four and s four used to be called village station. Right yes and it's still owned by the same people. The cavan group avenue. The captain owns basically the entire guess drifts. Three businesses. yes. Yeah they own. Jr's they own. Sue ellen saone s. Four they owned mining company. And i've been trying to get with them to talk about some of the bars because they've owned many bars in texas over the years. I think they own the o pee back in the days. You'll plantation and all kinds of other bars in all over texas. But i don't think i've ever been to ask four since its changed names when i think it's chains basically exchange names at least ten years ago. At least maybe twelve years ago. That's what it's always been. Since i've been i knew of it as a village station On stories from dell unless he be nearly in the late nineties so donor when that happened either But the rose room apparently has a special place in your heart. A what ages. It's the talent is so great. Everyone that works in that in in you is great. It's a big space out six hundred people and typically the middle of the drive show the best strike show Unser there's ever awards confirming not. I'm here yeah. I'll for have the best show in the entire and i think the south and almost anywhere in in the united states the united states and so But they're a. I've also worked through the most place ever words in my life. My one man shows comedy To all music. And i always have the greatest reception issues this massive stage lightning background. And just it's just quality and that's why the rose room is the roseburg because fabulous day and it just it feels like Showroom you just suck de cabinet has always had a way of making making their bars work. I think they got to formula down. I think been in the gay bar business for forty years or more. They've been doing it for a long time and math. Sorry no problem. Don't you guys. I'm very often in you. get me. Israel's as possibly get me. But i really need this brainpower i guess just talking about the rose makes you feel like you need to eat something right so some of that alcohol comment on every time. You've you've gone on tour on a bar chore you've always performed at the rose room as well. I didn't once or twice. It was by the for the jessica reasons and but otherwise every attendance to which is probably at least eight. They've always said yes. And then when you're not performing you would still go there as a customer just to enjoy the environment and watch the shows. And yes and the hot boys. When i'm i'm in dallas. The drive show is not my priority. you know so. I bring my friends. I i get a table. The front and i live my best life and conveniently. If i'm not mistaken the catholics have a shuttle that runs you to their the mining company and then back to the bars on the on the strip there because it's a little bit of a walk away to go to that one bar. I remember when i used to go there. We would always use the little shuttle and go hop all their bars because it called before. What village station. No no the place. The place it at the shuttle each. Oh oh Is it throckmorton. Mining company tmc. I believe i leather bar and it's a couple of blocks away from the others. What was the name though the when it when it changed eight years ago. I don't know i'm starting to. I thought you said i move on. And it was a mining company. I thought they had changed from brock born mining company to tmc. But that may just be abbreviation. Everybody uses because there's too many syllables and throckmorton. But that chronicles crazy. It's right in the heart of the district in cedar springs in dallas. And it's really the only place you need to go. You go spend the whole weekend. There never lead. You could go to the bars little restaurants cafes across the street Upping crews boys down the road in the park. Whatever so quite quite a fun place. So now you've relocated you. You lived in florida for awhile. Correct you lived like in springhill or somewhere in that area. Well springhill for high school but as an adult animal city beach from about. I think thirty two to thirty eight minus six months twice a year and then moved. Did you move to texas at one point or now that it's i love. I love dallas. I love texas but it they would need install outdoor air conditioning for me to live there. I know what you mean. I lived in austin for a year and a half. And you know what i had. Two friends who soon as marriage ruling was marriage was legal. They set out invites and they had a wedding in austin in the middle of july. It was black formal. That was outside in a garden in the middle of the day. That's not even. We're not friends anymore. I this is this. You have crossed every lie. It's a torturous. You should have pulled a trick. Out of bruce vallance bag in more in a t shirt with a whack. Kyle on it here. I am black. Tie in all the last Labor day that. I was in austin texas that weekend. It was one hundred fifteen degrees on labor day weekend and it had been over ninety five for like sixty days in a row so it was a red hot. Summer is crazy but fun bars there too. I'm air conditioning. My air conditioner going have a fan on the corner to help like it's a wall unit. Lake push it throughout the rest of my bedroom and And it. It's it's hot in mexico. It's it's really hot. So i feel you but at least you have the beach nearby. I right on my window. Absolutely i mean i look at it now. And you're in where puerto vallarta now. Is that what you said. That's a kind of a gay party city to kinda way is a whole part going. Call it the gate part. But i'll zona romantic resist. It includes bit like the one and a half streets of of gay bars but it also includes a lot of other things and lost train of thought again. Help zona romantika yes. I'm atika so it's got erotic shops and gay bars and all kinds of stuff in there. Yeah yes it is And i don't know why selling this now. So i had a friend of mine austin our friend of mine who passed away about two years ago and He and his husband and a group of their friends used to go to puerto vallarta every year and they would rent one of those big houses on the beach and have this huge parties. He would go out. I mean he would ship huge crates of party decorations to puerto vallarta so he could decorate the house for the parties and he would fly in a dj and they would have these crazy wild parties. Apparently there's some kind of gay weeks air. That's i don't know but rather than they've ever been in in the bear week they have weeks for everything but there is a gay pride week here for sure. And i'm sure you'll get experience that i have i have. I not only experienced it a party for twelve hours. That day is just last week or was this another. It was recently okay. i wasn't. They did pride because everybody seems to be doing this. If it wasn't that recent meet it was like in the last week of may or the first you know we were the first one. I one in north america and so we were friday of before this saturday sunday when both servants are now we were the friday a week before at was gonna start so i got kick off right so so. You've had experiences with gay bars. But that's really not what your life is all about your performer and you always have got to have projects on the table. What what is coming up in your life professionally now. So much I'm way further into right writing. That i ever thought i'd be these poumbouris and throw. It should become a a out outright myself for a second mind it becomes so successful. They're being branded late. Jason dhabi's negative pool party merchandise fans of contracts in place so that's actually bit more time consuming than it seems like. I also help oversee their social media strategy. So that's time consuming. You have any music coming out or is that is that kind of on the back burner right now. I'm so glad you mentioned that. Because i wanna get out stop. I wanna listen to what i saw. I basically finished I have three demos. i'm choosing from. And yes i'm gonna release one of them I just don't know which went out to us yet. And also offered gotten highly conceded. So i got my favorite went. So far i got done all of my heart now. Disney theme vocalist to come in and lay down the courses listening and they'll demo to take somebody out earlier So that was cool. And i'm just another writing session or two away from finishing the second song that third one. I'm just it's in my head but as far as it's gotten sometimes that's the way it is now takes awhile. People don't realize sometimes creativity takes a lot of work. It doesn't just happen and it takes so yet to be inspired at the same time that. You're you're activated moves so it has a few more variables involved set up big. You though does not like he just grab a microphone in start singing off the top of your head and it becomes the number one hit. That doesn't happen. It takes a lot of a lot of work in the background. Are you going to be doing any Any traveling or you pretty much stuck in puerto vallarta in the middle of paradigm. I'm i'm stuck here. In the sense that i have a contract finds right through the mid april Had my first date They're very Following weekend in hot springs arkansas. It's myself and said sykes doubleheader get information on available yet or anything but it's coming and then my one man shows starts here for three months tober. So i'm probably going to do is take monday to friday trips to primarily cease s Until he gets down there this winter long. Decide it's not the worst place to be stuck. I've been stuck in tampa for about a year and a half with this cova mess and everything everywhere else being shut down. But i'd much rather be trapped in paradise with palm trees and sunshine around me then in somewhere dark and dreary so so you can see me but what i wanted to do just At why you're saying that was do this. You and those guys watching. I think i want to get this started in the united states and mexican culture. If somebody says something your responses i am You or i got you. Or that's what i was thinking. Advise in so many scenarios you just go. And i found myself doing it. So a lot of americans. I got set america What are you. What's wrong with your finger jason. What is wrong with you. Yeah joy talking to you about your history with the bars and some of the cool places that you've been and at the end of the segment. We'll put up some links to your facebook and your website and your instagram or twitter. So people can follow you and see what you're doing and kind of check out what's going on in your life and hopefully you'll get back to florida sometime before too long Back open Everything our governor will not allow us to shut anything down. So oh i remember i remember having the santa's might governor. I was just like we are. We are fucked. Yes do to something else. But not only did he repeal all of the co- the regulations like mask wearing all that he repealed everything but he also issued an executive order. That prohibits any city or county in the state of florida from putting on their own mandates so no cities can even require them because if they do the governor will come down on them so i never. I read the same article. And i think it was actually even been on five. It was massive but it was pretty. He has As well if But i definitely read this this morning. I'm a news junkie by the way he's raising eight occasionally. I if something crazy is happening in the world i love you. Go to fox just to hear how they talk about it. It's it's like such a every other news. Channel has the say one narrative one near an obvious fucking near any gets a fox. And it's just like the news cartoons show and it's just all everything's fucking different. Expect sad is that. I get the aren't trying to be stupid really have. They were raised to believe he believed the news. That's what they think now so i. I wish there were a way for us to sue fox news. Were you know these additional deaths. Dude spreading misinformation. Just a lot of stuff. I think it's very fucked up. It's it's a crazy world out there. What are you gonna do. Probably i loaded. My marijuana eaten some music and watch. It rang exciting. Well thank you for spending some time telling us about your history with the bars in the different cities and we look forward to seeing what you're up to next you i. I'm sorry. are you also doing like the one. The worst experience you ever had stories or keeping this all pas you know you can say whatever you want is a worst experience for sure. Was this tragic. Experience play in natural. Not telling you i was. I was coming on emits. Fan right drag number and video of my performance had youtube was just around circulating. And i did this thing where at one point i put my microphone at my backup dancers breese. Seeing apart of the song into the microphone is underwear. We get our dancing it's just Gag and it's against the law in national touched another person on stage alone the nipples or above the knees which met like i couldn't do anything You grind on and so And they had a a sheriff at my rehearsal. Who told me if you do any of these things. The the you know the the sound and everything will be cut and you will be taken into custody immediately and i was lake totally guy. Listen you stay far away from me. Just corner. I don't want to forget that i can't such you. I don't wanna go to jail all right. So that's that's that's part one aren't too is play. Played twenty shows at this point. I don't have any so and play. The drag queens would not let me share the one and only dressing room One in only dressing room not explained to them. That i had tugged all the girls. Girls s. four. Like please not know comfortable. I had somewhere to get ready. And they literally refused when he got the vice novosel. Like i'm sorry to hear enacted you have to see mine going to get ready to go. You mind going Getting ready your car and then will send security ossetia's locker crowd on stage and i was like all right. I mean if that's what it is that's what it is and so that's what happened and And the last part of the story now this has layers. Is that as they left. They had director dress code policy on the door. I can't remember this latest. The civic things set beyond like No jury no pants hanging below Alot the ncaa Women must be in skirts or shorts. No pants Berry like no blacks. No lesbians please. That's this whole thing. Read so i took a picture of it and it posted my social media and i was like shame on you play. This is like sunjay obvious. You know fucked up saying. And i want everyone to see who their who their patronizing and their lawyer contacted. My lawyer Assuming once you do that why don't you get over just exposing what's happening here. Go for a first. They didn't but they they eventually me amends with me. Have you back. But it was very incense for and then i was banned for several years after that i will. Fortunately there's ice bar right next door. Yes they're i've tried. As an also are in nashville. It's one of my favorite places in nashville. And that concludes another segment of the gay. Barca's podcast you. Can find more podcasts. At gabe archives dot com slash. Podcast we also more information about this podcast and links to the other podcast. We have completed. We hope you enjoy your trip down memory lane.
Rock's Backpages Ep. 78: Sheryl Garratt on Rave Culture + Terry Farley Audio + The Streets
"Welcome through pages podcast on Bonnie Hoskins, and I'm here with my colleagues. Mark Pringle Hi Bonnie unjust. Murison Bowie had low bony. And, we'll delighted today to welcome special. Guest Sheriff Garrett Hi Cheryl. So, glad you could join US especially in the. New Edition of your Classic Adventures in Wonderland, which will be talking about later tying him with this? We'll be hearing clips from an interview with the veteran deejay Terry Folly, and we will also be talking a little about the streets Mike Skinner. I shall we want to know everything about you'll journey from Birmingham to becoming editor of the face, rushing this book and brought up to the present day. If the earliest pieces of us, we have on auto, pay off from nine hundred ninety. One when you I think still at school and Brome is not true. No I would have been at UNI by then. I wrote friend to me when I was still at school. mackney he was quite short. Know really tweaked. Sixty nine. So, what year was what year was your first piece in? What was your first piece published? Anyway was been the enemy. No I was working for is writing a law you know as a kid and I been focusing plumbing and rocket traces them so they their paper I have my own fanzine and I was writing for temporary hoarding so writing off lot stuff usually under names like Shehzad. Would you put I to Kuni shows us. At the? Same a spencer. Coach. Enemy and Egypt to me when no you. Really, grateful for that. So, so you you. I worked for the enemy in. GUESSING AT&T one. We'll do so this. The relied review of the be, and there's this lovely piece about musical use. I think before they were even cooled musical use yet. They got signed because of that pace. They were kind of my uncle. Tony sort of put musical us together. He was one of the big reggae urging in. Birmingham and he was amazing to me like he introduced me to people like earning spare my first question to bunning Spa sexist why the women in reggae! Your? Question and he just thought China when they will take some time and. He just sat me to use me to the I threes DD MA. wrote me a great big listening list. He didn't go way logo. You don't know what you're talking about. He sat down very patiently and gave me a whole list music with great again, so grateful menu moved up to London in. It. Blah. Came up to London to come to university. So I think seventy, nine hundred eighty can't remember okay, okay and. I remember you because when I first started writing in front of me, so remember your byline that don't you think I met you in in that period, and you would have written for an emmy folk. What six three years before going to Sec-? Limit something. That's right I. write enemy throughout doing an English degree basically and he paid my way. You know I couldn't have managed in London without that really and I used to. Just the reason you never met me is I was so chronically shy. We'd only coming in the very early in the morning or very light and grand lot with wait for me to give me my album of the of the wake to review and the nuts slip back out again and I was terrified if you will. Go in and pull Morley with just turn round points of anger. She doesn't know what she's doing. You know and I will be found as a fraud and exposed by impediment easing words that belong enough slow. Everyone was terrified, but no one was honest bouncer. Thing you realise in retrospect and I was very lucky that Julie. Burchill took me under a wing very early on and gave me a lot of support and just kept going. Let becky you know s for some more, and she was just so great. Oh, that's really good to does fantastic, so you went to city limits, and then we'll fast forward a little bit I. Mean I'm sure Stacy limits was. I mean you all. Famous for war having been? Miss many things, but you were the editor of the face. For six years yet six seven years, yeah, and I was there a couple of years before that doing music clubs and production so? Quietly long while on a do you want? City limits was the best training ground cut during the music and club, and it was before word processes so tight that stuff off every single week, so I knew where every night club in London was because I tightened week in week out and I could walk into any venue in. London and I think that was really important, but I took the face which uses encyclopedia acknowledges what was going on in London plus knowing what was going on in Birmingham Manchester because I went home. A law and I got friends in Manchester. I think that's what was what I pull there. Really. The wasn't much I didn't know about what was going on in music clubs in London. AMAC's very clear from adventures in Wonderland, which which you've revised a thanks updates to some extent. It's coming out this very week. To. On the cost just before we all got together now just reached the paragraph lead Tony. Wilson's voluntarily closed ender so basically I got some what three days ago and I've got that far into the book. It's fantastic I'm so enjoying. It is so great. It's great I'm. Really enjoying it and you, it's now got a different subtitle from when you first publish it, which was nine, thousand, nine, hundred nine, when it was a decade of club coach now some type of acid house, right and the K. Club explosion and I mean it's I don't whether the definitive is appropriate. What's so great about it is? It's written by someone who is right on the inside of many of these things I. Mean You really really experienced? Stay wasn't it's not being written historically one removes. You were a participant now again. You know I'd like to say it was kind of calculated. It was total luck that I happened to be the person the face to do the first Chicago. How Story! On total lock the Frankie knuckles is one of the interviews. We really go on, so he said you, WanNa go out and took me out to all the clubs that nobody else also being to. The close down in the year after that Ron Hardy I think who was one of the great cavs stage I studied to stage. AP's with Frankie was daddy later, so it was a real experience, and also being I liked baby, you know the nine thousand nine flights to New York or available when when I was in my early twenties, so Manhattan clubs were a playground. It was possible to go for a weekend. That was that was my review money from enemy? Pursuit of two months with by me can clubbing in new. York. Being to all of those clips, being to the Paradise Garage at being two of the Alley Chicago Clubs, and I knew that able, but by Shit. Chance. I really envy you go. Part, girl or I mean. You know in retrospect song love to them. Van Fantastic Dj. Yeah, it was like watching the conductor. Conduct the orchestra. He could literally put some on and get one side of the rim, dancing, and the other side just so to sneering. Soit it switched I if I he knew exactly everyone was in the room and what they wanted. It's extraordinary things to behold. The. First piece that we're going to feature is is in. Doubt pays from the face. September, Eighty six, before you were the editor called sampling, hold the house. Sound is Chicago and it really is so wonderfully like fly on the wall and the fact that Ron Hardy. POPs up in the PC's actually there. It's such an important piece because it played its part in. Ceding really the Cobb culture that we all now. I mean so so from that to sort of the soup star deejays of the nineties there is there is a real threat that will continue, and you'll look essentially. It goes all over the place which I really like so the different shops, his covered different scenes, different people on styles of music, but essentially it is about the phenomenon of the day Jay and clubs, the extraordinary saints Turkish Snow Perry and Wonderful Liberation of Oh i. mean looking back I mean when you went Chicago that some. Could you full sane? Where will this was ultimately going to go? You know I'd love to say yes, but. I mean the pay such should records. They didn't know they were completely blocking it. They were signing anything that moved in Chicago the time. They knew that something, but they have no idea what he will and people with enough. They'd signed their lawyer to make a record and he was rapping. Oldies Chirac hose, trying to make up a new type of cooling roping and. I won't put the PR. Just when we side all these people I don't know their names. Here's some photos of them. You know they had no idea. It was just blundering. Bow and I think that's what I'm saying. The element of luck that I kind of locked into connecting with Frankie, and he was like I'll show you. What's really going on? And they took me into the Studio Moss. Jefferson with recording and took me to the clubs where the housing was really going on and I. think that was just sheer lock to kind of just connected with him at the right time. Absolutely all from Sun, widows could've out there very much from the same time. Use Their July six and he was screwed by the enemy. They wouldn't listen cover it. He did manage to sell a piece to idea. Can always. Yeah Yeah and I. Think we will region stop thinking. What are they talking? Because I said management with Mike Pickering, and in the corner of the office, smoking joints and raving about stuff and then. He released Krino T. Koi came out on deconstruction. I didn't get it. I'm ashamed sale I just didn't I didn't guess it didn't get house music. I have right under my nose, and I miss even take when it first came out. We call it like I can't remember now. It's more of a jazz rock. Than a house record, and it took a while to tight routine. Specially in London in London Manchester took root really quickly because he have the same rhythm is northern soul. I think absolutely in London. It was just another music in the make so. On. June you're going to be talking about a minute. Terrified is very funny about precisely that, but how London didn't guess it. took a surprising amount of time. He says it's partly because the established Sima so strong London. spout rare groove primarily point exactly that unexpected resistance is really strong. HOW INTERESTING! Bush the kind of VIP drug that. It's like it. It took Awad Catchall as a club drug I'd seen it as a drug that people took him back rains and stroke to each other in the cushions and it was. Not For me, I'm going back to nights. I didn't I didn't think it was an attractive thing to try told, and I think that was the key thing. When MD may came into the mix. Suddenly, we all go there. Cheryl talk briefly. If you would about just the faces row in covering Oli Saints, I mean the second piece for example is is not about how this account of going to the Third Blackpool. Soul, funk and jazz weekend. In April nineteen, ninety nine. You're writing about the things that the obviously grew out of the whole move and soul, saying so I mean the face was was very attentive to list stuff, wasn't it? Well I would say. The Opposite! This was my life and occasionally I was allowed to put it into the magazine. I went out six nights a week every week. I'd go into the habit from city limits, and that's what I did and we traveled all around the country to go two days. As and too so we can doesn't stop and occasionally I'll walk into. The face should really cover this sniff? KRIEF thing was one point Nick Logan, said he was considering closing the face at the end of the it's he. You know it would be a fantastic statement to just finish the micro seen Adrian it's hundred issue or at the end of the ages and I really strongly felt there was this big new youth culture coming through, and we should be covering it on one day. We had this chat and we're having designed discussion. We had about this and he just will have all these people, and I said well. You know the twenty thousand them dancing in a field I went to last night, and he went fine doing magazine for them. Then let's let's see how that works and Cussler Circulation the magazine Shaw And after that I, felt we permission, and by then a lot. The design team younger pat was from Manchester already bringing things like happy Mondays in the face, and saying we should be covering this and it felt like we finally covering what we were doing. Instead of trying hard to cook kids a new writing the book about the phenomenon of what we could call the indy. Don't cross. I'll go in. Don't starts to kind of. Infiltrate Indie, northern indie music can and the whole magister phenomenon unfolds from man I mean. That is an extraordinary moment, isn't it and it really made me think about how the Mondays in the roses was sort of to something in opposition to. The whole Morrissey, whole horrible. Hang the DJ exactly. So is fascinating. Reading about about that air. The third piece is looking back it the second summer of love, full the face, but in nineteen ninety-seven seven, so it's almost a decade later, and that's an interesting piece. You use such Yawkey. Mentioned the eighth or anything like that, but you argue that it wasn't as revolutionary as some claim, and you'll book in a sense is about the bigger picture of the fomin copying itself. Isn't it what what prompted the in? When did you first start thinking about writing the book? I think when I stopped going clubbing. After my son was born I had the delusion that most people have when they have their first child, but you know three months after he was born at somehow party cupboard and get back to normal life. Yeah. Yeah, you know so. I very clearly remember the first time we did go to. A club is a tough tough party. My friends in Birmingham on we left our son waste with my mom and dad dude, and we went to this all nighter by eleven o'clock me and my husband will looking at each other and going. Home. Actually we weren't gonNA. Be Dancing on anymore. The allies to change the you know also. It's about time we let. Some young people have a space on the dance floor. We had hoped district like a long time. Yes I think it was closure for me. It was like if I'm not efficient. I do five six nights a week anymore. I don't like to write about what it was like. And also knowing that I've been in the middle of the I. Think was paid tongue I said. Why haven't you written a book about this? WAS A. So totally as Terry follicles told me that we have to thank really for adventurous. His patients for the number of times. We rang at home at four in the morning. Telling Me Dole. Bumpy Lane funny, the first three times that we did it rather more than. I'm curious. Did this structure of the book kind of come naturally, or was it something that you have to kind of? Fit Together. Because Club. Coach isn't linear. and. People will say I invented this and someone else say. I invented this and they both right. Because things developing so interweaving. Music that started in Chicago. Detroit New York and until I started writing. I had no idea that Larry Levana Frankie knuckles have been childhood friends or the all the boys. With going to the clubs in Chicago and New York I didn't know how interlinked were and then you're trying to weave in the influence that big the hat on that Ananth, the whole richest history that started in across with all night as in the northern soul scene, so you interweaving all these different strands, the right guy in Seoul sound systems in London were really important warehouse parties. On all these disparate strands, and it was actually it was much easier from eighty eight to ninety, because he became a much more linear stories, Yup. But even then you things like the Blackburn Race Which? Took completely independent of the stuff. Right using so it was hard, and I still think you read it, and it's like it's packed full of names and facts, and I hope five interweave working the story I found it very remarkably straightforward. Read given the fact that is exactly what you've just described I really liked the way you first of all sort of like trace some the theory roots van, but also Dave Kussin partisan songs thankful. Establishes, sort of either disco and those. Routes but then it. It is very clear I love the way it subsides beathard how? These English kids escaping from Thatcher's Britain living on next to nothing. What shopping a beef! And discover this entirely different way of doing things and and the drug which went with it, and that's what's happened. They come back to England. What November. Eighty seven and shoe opens just. A couple of months later a month later and the whole thing so exposed. An No I think you've you've really handled a tricky material really well and it certainly from my point if you could some of people in my friends. Come, back can go. What on Earth does happen to? You know these new left with quite nice haircut. Submit Tony Tiles. Right buckle tie dye tee shots and. I, we would just aghast. The hell is happening here and then I went to. A couple of par is up and it was like. No, I mean I'm definitely. Off! Shock the kind of criminal elements that infiltrate these things on the damage that was done. It? Did ton pretty dogs not least around the house. The end might go i. mean it's really sobering literally to to sort of revisit some of the stuff that happened at that time show one of the important things to say about the Hacienda because it's closed and they've got nothing to lose. They will be brutally honest. There was lots of other going on where promoters asked me to take things out of the book because it goes real problems so the one by to say to me when I sang. Tim some stuff to read, it was like yet. You've been really clever here, but we'll get one of US killed so all you know. With the Hacienda close close for good, you could tell that story and the people inside were willing to tell that story, but you know it happened to an awful lot of other promoters. Manchester thing many just hat cruise when reading about kids, who innocently selling a to the Powell's ending up in the alleyway behind with guns in their mouths i. mean it's it's. It's pretty shocking exactly that but I mean it's also very timely publication of the book right now. Sheryl given everything we've read in the last couple of weeks about illegal raves Corentin race. You wrote a piece for the Guardian loss Saturday, and then following not three or four days later. Later? It was this pace via Kyle, if I'm pronouncing the name right, which is disturbing. So what is your take on the summa? That's coming I. Mean You. Are you concerned? You'll paces obviously sympathetic. You understand that young people are concerned cabin fever crazy, so how how you looking at it right now? I think this has been building a couple of years. I've been hearing about on for a couple of years on. You know there's been an unprecedented at. Twenty percents of our nightclubs closed in two thousand eighteen for some. They carried on closing the so few places for people to play now for people to gather and play you know I. Sixty Centers of just become luxury flats. Religious fell to them, you know. This. And People need to be able to gather on. They need faces together because they've been out, you know these parties have been happening in woodlands and fields, and there's no even abandoned warehouses like we had because I now luxury apartment, so I have huge sympathy for it, and of course huge FIA as well because the virus hasn't gone away, but I can totally totally see why people want gathering dance. You know it's. It's part of human nature. It's tribal thing because by the earliest cave paintings show pictures of people dancing and some of them forty thousand years old. So I will not going to kind of get out of young people now, and after this period of isolation, you know I met some friends on the beach a couple of weeks ago for the first time, and we only cried news eight of Tunisia's apart and we've been talking. Throughout but it people need people. She said San Antonio what Song? And I do think they have this thing in this country. Where was really suspicious of people enjoying themselves? We always think slightly suspect to needs to be sat on. Changing. And we changed It doesn't walk. Can eventually we find a way of accommodating it and he would be so much better if we were sitting down now and think he will. This is obviously going to happen. How can we accommodated? Make it safe as possible. Instead of guiding light, we will take the full force of the lower onto these kids. It's like when you got whatsapp to spread to arrive. Is How on earth you gonNA stop. I, mean they couldn't stop swoon. Those mobile phones on phone banks. In. To Stop it now this close social networks, one of the carts remark synthetic. You talked him coextensive studies senior policeman in the south of England named by. Then yeah, that's right. I ended up really liking it when he was talking about. The edge of this party and he'd find himself nodding heads the GROOVE. Which? Is Funny. Shop, the place about the eighty-nine writes this you know. They went in expecting to find this kind of unruly mob, and what they found whether own kids with big smiles on their faces dancing in. And it was difficult to so to demonize them when she met them there early tabloid headlines about biting the heads of pigeons and they should. and. Then he went limit. It was a light load. Kids with their own ride each other smiling. Yeah, yeah, I remember that from the police she rushed towards them to try and get into the party, and you big grins on their faces, and they'd be standing there, and then they couldn't help themselves. Start Smiling Pissy was funding. Yeah actually rights and know that it's not the raves happening now during the lockdown then not random in the sense that it's been an ongoing thing over the last few years, whereas all the clubs have been shut down. By One and the licensing laws of changed to make an increasing impossible to open anything past eleven o'clock when the good people want to go to sleep or something, it does make it extremely difficult to as you say got enjoy yourself, and it's not just. Oh, now we're locked up. We're going to do these things it's well. We're doing these things before, and now that's literally the only outlet. The people have absolutely. Go out and so I think it's not surprising really. We need to be finding spaces where people can play in the middle of our city centers and we need to make that a priority. We can't turn everything into luxury apartments. Late developing Raver I spent quite a few years going to a lot of very sort of underground, partisan, curious of warehouse space, and so forth run hackney an they'll closed one by one mostly because a block of fats gone up next to people living in the PUCK and fats. Up Yet. The people were buying this flats to be in that post town bugs. In the first place, this is the paradox. The very physically happens. Is the area that you spent a million pounds to buy their penthouse. Yes, absolutely. The Wall. With. Probably a good moment to head the first of. Terry Fawley. Let me just briefly introduce the interviews bill brewster in front. In Student Terry Two thousand five, I'm terrified. US pretty interesting because he he's A. He's a classic sort of old fashioned soul. Boy is a couple of years younger than me. He was born into. What's nothing Dale? So that ended nothing hill? Re Housed Slough. He goes right back to his youth. When you still in listening Dale, they could hear Blues Parties Reggae. Blues Parties Down The road from where they lived so on so forth he grew up. That's coach around. Then the classic figure of people moved place like Slough. Looking for a scene looking for something. As teenagers they can get into and desperately wanting to be back in London, desperate won't be back and undertake. Club crackers which. You know very well Cheryl. Yeah, which was a rare thing for? Club is predominantly black club with a significant gasps. Who says well, so? Let's let's Simpson talking about practice. Case was that. The main of Our. It's like wow, these issues is just. And true on people nowadays united feel. Comfortable Jarring. Lines of the united allows people that ruins. Sayings of and it was not. It was a failing forward in there certainly was by. On galavision. Clubs but. That I. For that generation people. Before it was round of a big role. Young kids. I mean he's backtracking. The good dances of the black kids. There's a white kid you'd stand to one side. You Stand Round Wolves Room, nodding your head dancing modesty that you didn't tag onto the middle of the slow, because hide combative, really really interesting from a toy. He talks about them coming out of that the soul dares and weekenders Cheryl you just talk about in fact, your lives must be quite paralleled some extent east for much talking about some the late seventies early eighties Brad groove. And then I hearing house, and being sort of you know fairly baffled under. The next bond straight away. Just what we're talking about earlier was about how house didn't really fit him in in London the under Stuff. Laura. Have as like why. Now by that was. When. The songs pigs only. Minorities. And I think he's just. Songs trying to get a home. With none. And he replied Hoffner Avenue. Wasn't on Ebay. She saw. We had. Portrayed. SOUTHERN DOT com around and. And people just. Don To demonstrate. Didn't go with happy with. Chancellor maximum of it. Seventies. Seventies Moose and John Record next. And you can find myself, and you can fly the fact, and then you can play some new record that was. Coming out with America's funny but. A house of niche invite. This didn't. Think Kale's. Words. On Sunday. That's interesting. Because Cheryl USOV say different different. Clean your. Early Days that you felt that people could playhouse amongst sort of other funky stuff I think remember the club, Siva. Going to work with meets gay clubs, so places like asylum and pyramid people like Martin more and pulling faith I would definitely put in house into the mix and I think because sort of felt like a more grownup cousins high-energy, a gay crowd did now have to dance to it, so know on the floor, heaven or at at the jungle. BUSBY's definitely houses in the makes an people knew how to dance to it. Really flown of many strands mixed up with all the all the music Terry's talking about their show, while his experience was like more being room for the people used to row grooving under house team going into. All weekend there was real hostility, India definitely. anti-smoking about yet anyway, so he talks about I taking his I e discovering showroom. He says he went down. Probably likes to the third or fourth promotion of. Being Absent rivers by shaking, these guys coming back from Visa Danny, rampling in particular, and we will play it again to the podcast, which is so funny, married talks about. Ramblings acid house dogs, which was like is on the scene before he talks about him and starting boyzone I'd also how creaky this scene could be, and then he goes on through the the end of it so long interview over two hours long talks. He and bill in front discussed the emerging superstar deejay, but also houses longevity house music survived far longer than. Anyone expected still still around today you know. I loved it I really enjoyed the since. He's talking to billy. Wright can build them frank. Don't you don't Cheryl? They know their stuff when it comes to the questions are good and I, it's great stuff. It's very rare. But what I love is I said stop. It's like his journey from being a classic soul boy being house. HEDDON DJ and that that's fifteen year journey. It's really interesting, and you could almost do book. People's conversion experiences because the. Road to Damascus the. To buy that Terry talks about it. And I found that every interview I did for the Book I. Say so. What was your first time and everyone could describe exactly what are wearing when they. And what they are wearing when they left, which was very ran in the same thing you know. A friend of mine was a buyer of Brown's very fashion. Her first time show she went I. think Initial Pogo J. Suit. Reference books are short and. Nervousness, but people take undressing you in the club. I didn't understand it. You know the I have never. Everybody each take Jackie off. Weeks later there was. In the crowd peeling someone else's yeah. It's fantastic. It's. It's great that we. Talk about and also you talk to you because the whole thing's much ties brilliantly together since. Through. To really like aspect of the audience. Review that what you're saying that it is his kind of journey talks about growing up and then getting into of. I think it's really interesting that it was very much, not that everyone had the same journey, but the everyone has a kind of as you're saying sort of. Metamorphosis from one from one. To another, I, it does really bring the whole story to life as a not just a historical thing, but movement and among. Sorry sort of Carol after. Not. Houses? So that's why it's lasted so long I think because everyone slows conversion experiences. Later the than us but I don't. Really Watch your tiny still brilliant and once again and you know that's something I remember Pete. Tone sight to the you know every year I'm a year older, but the audience is exactly the same age because there's always new people. This is exciting a new. The pleasure I'd got going to billin francs. Lowlife, parties, which were kind of like old fashioned on the ground parties age ranges from white. Seventeen to sixty five story got all these generations of people who different times life discovered dance, music, and one room to be playing. The can bring disgrace on the other room would be placed proper hardcore house music, and you could fit from one to the other and. Unjust the. Experience I'm really glad I got at late better. Late than never in a? Number. experienced. Ice Nephews to dance because I think I got I danced really badly one night as Slipped around singular slow. No one doubts is very well. No, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's the act the act of being in that room in that community. That really is a comedian. You know. I'm hearing a very very good Dj. Just take you higher and higher and higher and higher. Yeah well, I'm a total introvert, and I think that's why I've always been comfortable in clubs because she just go into the crowd and disappear. It's not about you. It's about being part of something bigger than you and I've talked about clubs. Is the point. Isn't it really I? Mean it's it's whereas culture so predicated on the staring up these gold silver stage. This is the complete inversion of thought and the freedom of thought on the on the sort of Democrats that joy of it really. STARTED TO SHIFT May, I remember ninety seven going up to gate crush with judge stools on coming out. Same Star is set, and he came on, and all the lights came on, and everyone turned towards the stage. Yeah, came and I was like Oh. This isn't my Kinda club a tool. Not Not, not denigrate Enga- crusher told, but it really did for like you were going to watch an act not to be and. In clubs choose to you are they are the audience where the stars not the DJ I'm. That's reached its peak in America with the Holy, movement the ultra superstar deejay where they're based like stadium rocker the. Dance Music, which is just depressing I. Mean You know I love it when I love seeing? I mean one of my favorite deejays. DJ, COSMO colleen, Murphy. WHO's they've Mancuso's representative on earth. WHO's of about guests on the PODCAST few months? and. She's just sensational. Watching her you dont fabulous teams is playing. But. Yes, you can. You can appreciate the quality of a good, DJ. What's interesting about your book and that she didn't tell Terry. Fox in the interview is how late people started mixing records in this country the idea of Creating. A seamless mix was a recent late eighties. Phenomenon wasn't people simply didn't do that before play pulled. That was fascinating. No idea so the seemed that have been going on all the time but not. So scratchy signs of needles being taken out. In the soul weekenders. The teachers would get on the mic between. You know we'd have to listen to them. Talk before we could. Fall is very funny about Georgia power the. Crackers. and. He was a real on the MIC man. It's. Three. And? He scathing about his dress. Sense as well as. One of these are funds foster. Listening to the fall owned reading. Your book is just the wonderful kind of salt, real snow, bringing this of the codes that you I mean I think always found it very intimidating when I was in my twenties I wasn't not club because I was just forty self-conscious and always felt like I'm getting wrong I'm getting something wrong. Looking at me and saying this. Never stopped, but I always felt I in clubs because I didn't feel I belong anywhere else. Really you know it's like I'm never been stylish, but I found the boyzone really intimidating until I got to know them. They would go. You've got the wrong shoes on. You can't come in surfing. Folly is actually very fussy about, and he talks about his own snobbery about way on. People addressed themselves. But in a way, that's a classing, but I mean twenty one reasons I didn't get coming back in the day is that? Is a substantially working class thing which comes out of the roots and things like Maude. All those sorts of things where the notion of how you dress was important in in a way that it wasn't that saved. Let's say Bonnie capsized sources like and the hippie periods of people where A. I remember what I was at school. The skinheads were just evolving after the multiple nights sixty, eight, sixty nine. And very particular they had to wear this jacket. These shoes this sort of stuff and that mud culture extended right through. DANZ culture. I think particular. Sort of working class thing about appearance's about scenes, sewn samples, and especially if you'll come someone like slough where you got from nothing else to do, I think it's. Important that. I was so stop taking drugs, and when I was twenty four years old so when I'd go to clubs in the mid eighties, I felt so of crippled by self consciousness in a way that maybe I wouldn't now, maybe he's to. Found it unbearable. Are could not so Lewis. self-consciousness you know, maybe we don't go out and you should. Go to. Raise. Them one together now. Thank. Thank you so much for joining us to talk about this. Sub and anyone who's listening, go out and buy Charles Fabulous Book Adventures in Wonderland to show. We do love a segue on the Rockstar. Pages podcast so the best that we can do this week and moving into a brief discussion of Mr Mike Skinner. To note that his track weak become heroes, own original material is I think one of the most useful so allergies full derive Air I. Don't know if you know that track Charlotte. Do you do I mean? It's interesting Mike's becoming? With clients because I not coach creates more more, you know. He's named coming up again as an influence and I'm so glad that people are starting to knowledge his par in things. Yes other body when we were first starting rocks pages, and we'd been lent of today's Steve. Crap Shannon and that I'll just come out and we listen to a lot and. It shouldn't have been something out of love and I actually adore that. How because it spoke for London? I recognize it spoke of the sort of people were around where I was and the summit to life without him. I think he's just such an interesting guide. His attendance is weird, talked about music. Just sorta like sort of grind. WILL PRO grow? And yet there's a real tennis took to him and he did really. I totally agree with you, yeah! You're you're? Are you Cheryl. Yeah. Original apartment would say it's one of my favorite records. Know my favorite homes just period. I think it's extraordinary and you know he's done lots of good things since then was allow computer blues was pretty good. Those new like mix tape album coming out this week. Hence we're talking about. I'm we've got three? We've got a clip of the Audio interview with Mike Skinner from twenty to the original part materials just come out and govern. Maltin is talking to him somewhat. Let's just hair, not little clip. Just let. The real. Area, has he? got. Is Just just glamorize? Might exciting. What your life! Just as good as. Any Just as exciting. Anyway grail. We got these. Homegrown In. Videos televisions sixty. Yes, so we have that interview featured for free on the homepage. This way can. It's just. It's love listening to him. Manhasset hasn't come to this his I. think being a hit at this point and he just. He talks to to to govern about Oh. Just all kinds of interesting things, and we've also got a pace by tug manning from jokey slot, also at that time, March, twenty two, and then jumping forward to the second album ground, come for free April, twenty four spend Thompson, talking to Mike Skinner for the Observer. He's just. He's just really really interesting. Also because he wasn't born in Birmingham, but but he grew up in Birmingham. You can still hear. From a Twang in. there. I mean, do you? Do you feel any like kinship? Just with him? For that reason? Yeah, I mean I I think one of the things about my home cities. We really good at mixing stuff up. It feels quite natural to us and I think he was another. Example of that is someone who was quite happy to mush on rose on, and also a bit more vulnerable as you say didn't feel the hat to so of any light, the kind of my own that was on offer from American rappers and I think again in Birmingham of space to experiment. I think that you don't necessarily get in London. Yeah I mean because there's not I dial boom. This does that song. It's too late which is. Really is a young man willing to be a emotionally vulnerable and then dry. Your eyes on a thinks on the second album you know I mean these are pretty soppy sophie so. You know. What does he call rap project? I think he's his name for the streets you know He. He Kuma attention while later. When did this conversation with the philosopher? John Gray, which is still. While you know from original part material to conversation with with. Bookstore dogs. It's just a really intellectually curious going. I did think competes blues was was really good I think a good things on the other albums, but he's still he still interesting. He mentioned Tang in that. Interview with Gavin. Just wanted to. Own Pass on the I watched the way tying documentary on sky documentaries I. Don't know if you've seen Cheryl you saying it. It's really good, actually annecy They were an influence to some degree on him, but I really recommend it. I think it debuted on American TV. SHOWTIME HBO Lost Give It's finally come here. It's in two parts, so it's two hours. If you've got a chance to see it, it's. Down I. Mean What what Fascinating Group of characters. And some of them have really charming. Just, not rebel. Our encounter with him in San Francisco. Do, I will never forget. Searches through this is the first time mark I ever went to America. On pages business and we were the San Francisco unless something he remembered I was aware that the Rizza was was sitting across from the white thing lounge, and then I realized that there will. I think he struck up a conversation with you gold we'll. He claimed to have met me. No you. Thinks Oh. Like. I know, you know. It was very funny anyway. That was a tangent tangent. He's called of Mikes and men. The thing I like about the streets and Mike Skinner. He lose to talks about in that interview. Clip is about how realness isn't real mess. It's just being genuine and an and it varies from context to context, and I think a lot of people don't get by when you know British rockers who here American rap. Rap while I've got to do the English version of that. That's not that's not the case. Is that go to do the thing that's relevant to your own context? And then then it'll make sense. It'll be authentic other than like it cannot be and I think that's one of the things that always shine through with with his stuff is that it is just just what he thinks and it's genuine. I comrades with interesting people this at least one track on this new mix tape album. He's done with time. Paula who we've talked a bit about on the podcast, not so where the dust penalties falsifying statistics weeks, but they the album, which has a long nine. Goal remember now is out this week, so that's that's the streets. Let's get to the Negro. Shooting reminds me and my thirsty plot unique. Dana Feeling Tony points to the sky. Feel free. Polo Lico. For behind me, swimming the tape say Coalfield Suelas. Smiles all easy. Lay from Sean Story. This is when we talk about new new pieces in the library. We say Cheryl please just stick around and jump in the mood takes, you feel you wanna say something about any of the mall and Jasper GonNa, Mention just just pitch in. We'll first pieces Hugh Nolan disc, music teco twenty fourth June nine, hundred, sixty, seven and. And he goes down to you. Folks ufo The hippest Hippie Club in London's especially a brief pulse, and he says what other clubs give constant light shows far out movies ragent from avant-garde American to vintage Lugosi horror I've got jazz groups, the latest sounds and pop straight six, freaking out having their addresses cutoff and the author of the original suzy cream cheese as Your presentation. Of? Take your jacket off. It's fantastic because Mitt firemen. The late McFarland is one of our Isis, the dolman that you back then moving fourteen, hundred sixty nine. Times George Harrison's by Ritchie Yorke. Says it's pretty interesting. Firstly he he's asked about why the Beatles of stopped playing live, and says you know we formed the whole time, probably in my opinion, anyway we've reached our peak in Hamburg, so he reckons the best is the life ban when they were playing in Hamburg before they were making records, and he says when we came back to England last time per gig. We regarded as a new thing, but already were was the past brought back. It's funny when you think about it. And then he says just bring up. The current is in a way. Revolution number nine was alright if it wasn't particular. Beatles source of thing. Can sometimes I feel like a spy? Just beetle? When there's a much greater jobs done in the world, it's it's a very. Short, Harrison is. Articulate and quite interesting man. My favorite Basil I was. Always, been my favorite. Cheryl favorite people. My cousins made me choose between the Beatles and the stones very early on I was about six. To be recognized FELICIA. To fight with. The, it was like I, had to choose, and I chose the stones actually. Yeah me, too. I think mark and I will say this. I chose the Beatles until. February may nine hundred sixty. Eight of the stones came on top of the POPs Promo video with face paint on doing jumping Jack Flash then I just moved the other side that that single things. I choose the Beatles. Sorry chaps all right. Of Yoko Ono and she does this thing when you go into a house where she leaves you in the room with the white piano, and she came back, and I was in the hall, looking at her paintings, and she was like, but the piano and I was like. I really have come to interview you and she was just so. What meaning? You know she couldn't believe I wasn't really sure to to look at the piano. Touch of the places where. Argo be far more interested in her work than his actually, yes. Along that generation where the Beatles really didn't mean that much t rex was my first great love music after device it rollers course. Have you on another talented. Okay nine hundred seventy three. This is Lillian. Russell The New York Sunday News into getting on the phone. All Green and Green Kentucky seducer on the phone. Just falls in love with him and he he's he's great. Dahlan, there are no tricks to life special formula. I'm not something you pick up and wine tight. On WHO TOMLIN PAYMENT! I, look in the mirror as I talked to you and I. See the face of a command some really good. Just got the lately Robson on board. Thanks to her niece. I'm finding her writing revelation. She's such a good writer. Talk. Bill! Into these buck owens the times and eighty nine. He's talking about how much he hated. Way Country Music. So sick of what music turned into I, tried to compromise to be quite blunt. It made me gag. Of course was was you would have known imagine through the face Cheryl but Before Michael Slow Very. It was my flatmate so over. At University. I lifted a flat with steep, saying Oh why David. Nineteen when of course you did did the Seinfield delivered with with sue steelers. The whole collusion gang, did you did you wrote for collusion? That's right. That's right. Olis' pieces. was visited collusion. We David guest on the podcast and he was just fabulous guest. I've met him a couple of times. Because unpolished southeast, London improvised music scene in bumps, and he's such a. he's such a good manner. You know we're we're. We're Real Fan David. He introduced me to so much music I bet well the thing is, he's so broad, minded you, we. We asked him what you'd listen. He's all is listening to seventy soul. Next piece. It's actually a reader's letter. The reader consulting be Neil kulkarni under a pseudonym to berate me. Make and this got him his GIG rising for me. Less, it was so good that. They, said we've got to hide his my. Gripe. Neal's talking about how they treat black knees really poorly in analysis maker in in the early nineties, he says on the one hand Weizer allowed any a positive language, the beach of words themselves blasts communities words in a way that renders them transparent to that simple polemical meaning. Since great pop poets are Buckley Passes Drake. Chilton, not green haze may feel Robinson. Whitfield can talk about the poetry of your markers. Alexa Kristin Hushes, but not your eyes tease all. Blacks aren't allowed to have the same hangups, the same depth value, nation, loneliness and feelings white. It's fantastic lesser basically. Neil got going down. The Jamaican consequence laws pieces on getting another recent addition to our writing team Chris Great. crissy's did a huge piece on the Spice Girl to rolling stone in ninety seven other. Great I love Chris Rising. He's very funny, can write his big reports. Let me see Jerry says I. Think Anybody who has a negative or positive view Nas. That's fine. That's freedom of speech. What creates democracy and Victoria? Conversely Poss- spices. My mom always said to me when you're older member taking thongs today and they just don't. Anyway. It's really great speaks for eight thousand workers really worth reading. That's mile up Jasper. I'll just mention a couple of things. It's running out of time I in which mostly because it's very funny. The aforementioned Ian Penman. Absolutely tearing to shreds a couple of tribute albums released in two thousand. He was asked review for the wire. BE ALBUM TO TIM. Buckley and tribute to the songs of Brian, Wilson, and the Beach Boys Brian Because Barklay just got a nine checking in that call coney latter, didn't they? Yeah, great segue. We have a good segue on the. PODCAST, but it's just a very funny piece because. Is there any point in anyone trying to recast the less space sale of Tim Buckley as singer Buckley belongs to the tunnel, so aren't these little individual setting both themselves and us. Not doing buys these to things up for inevitable disappointment. A couple of these are all right. The rest is utterly negligible. A hint of on mysterious Museau in the Phantom. The compilation shows only how musically well read and poetically blue vamp Buckley was and how rational empty most today's comparable musicians are that tunings line reading productions here. All flattened flavourless as the cheap beer. They likely exist on. POINTING OUT! We are also posting this week and Live Review Tim Buckley in San Francisco Sixty eight by Philip. elwood's The San Francisco Examiner, so you've got at either and. I suspect I have a feeling that that boxy trivia arm was essentially the brainchild of a hub. Cohen Tim's notorious manager or consultant. Tom White, so they basically because they on the publishing and. Three songs they they got all these artists to cover and hope just to make some quick money out of out of boxing fans, and yeah, this is pretty self idea. Well, if the Buckley tribute at least has a long AP's worth of semi, divine music, the Brian. Wilson is totally bereft of point over. The next up I. Just wanted to mention for you mark. Fun Interview with James Blood Ulmer thousand and three John Swinton talks to him for offbeat magazine. Jones asked him if he's still in touch with ornette Coleman whether. Following what what is doing. Goes, you mean the music. He's playing homologue six. That's what he's doing. But every show is different, says says Johnston. No. Every show is homoerotic Ornette Coleman. Shows is homilies. Don't play no different. Coleman Plays Coleman. He's like Miles Davis Miles. Davis don't care who the fuck paid them. He Played Miles Davis. I'm the same way I. Don't give a shit. The last thing automation is an interview with Public Service. Broadcasting sort of soundscape. Group recent is funny J. Will Goose Esquire, which is obviously a pseudonym and founding member of of public service. Broadcasting says I thought it was one of the worst. Most pretentious ideas ever had which he must have had a lot of giving equal themselves, Jay, goose esquire, but actually rather like public service broadcasting. I saw the problem that they did last year, and it was great. They had a of replica sputnik spacecraft that came up on stage because they were doing that that race for space album, and it was a really fabulous show so I think I'll leave it there because we are out of time. Can I just squeeze in? The end here, a funny live review Bernie space playing. During the Pride Festival in Brighton two years ago and Stephen. Dalton is unconvinced by her. By Hustle, X. Rated Act. He says off the pole dancing through I'm a slave. Four year spins pull the beaming mile reveller from the crowd for some light. Be Dsm coast during freak. Show the world's least convincing dominatrix. She's more. She's more ammon. Ask Them. That's good. So I think that brings us to the end of the podcast. It's been such a trait. Speaking with you show. Thank you so much joining. It's been pretty plug for adventure in Wonderland. She's out this week as an a book, book and print and print. Your kindle you can buy has fantastic. You cover which you just sent through yesterday. Cheryl please please go and buy that and Cheryl. Mojave called the basis. Caroline Sullivan and The coast of Tom Payson. We added this. With Tom Pike not long ago. If the hood on pages Cheryl, you must. It's very bizarre isn't a? Plane Guilt thanks. Anyway, so that's US done to. We will be back in two weeks with Nov, Loyd Grossman not talk about Spaghetti sources, but his early days as A rock critic in Boston in the late sixties Boston. Joyous. Yeah there you go. Anyway. Thanks for joining us and thank you again. Cheryl yeah. We got to go with Donny Ramp Ling's acid house starts as described. Terry, Farley. See thanks. Bye. Bye. Is Time Yeah. Don's. That is east owns. One of these records. Lynn. JESSOP. would. Regularly. Clean village crafts. SMART. SMART. Action Now! Could. Show in Shallan in people have been in the late one. It was just fucking hell. And suddenly. It a shootout and sheriff paperwork. Should boxy comes fiction. fucking country. I'm sure he started from. Some guy. Lights inspired. Stove yes! was. On. Tomatoes! Kind homeroom. That was Terri Farley conversation with Bill Brewster and frank. Broughton in two thousand and five, concluding this week's rock back pages podcast many thanks to special guests. Cheryl Garrett funded ventures in wonderland on Amazon and visit how Website Cheryl Garrett Dot com, the host Shabani askins and Mark Pringle. There was co hosted and produced by Jasper. Murison Bowie the rocks back pages. 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Rock's Backpages Ep. E83: Stewart Lee on Robert Lloyd + Robert Wyatt + Ronald "Khalis" Bell
"They. Woke throughout the back pages podcast, unbinding Hoskins, I'm here on glorious morning with Mark Pringle, high body and with just a Murison Bowie low Bonnie today we're joined by very special guests Lee Welcome welcomes. Thanks for having me I hesitate to describe you simply as a comedian since your work is a kind of radical Meta comedy the I for one have worship too many years. Thank. You also renowned as a as a connoisseur of obscure an unorthodox music and you are about to release a wonderful film king rocker about Unsung Hero. Robert. Lloyd. So we'll be talking about that in just a minute we'll sub discussing a nine hundred ninety one audio interview with the robot Watt. As. Well as everything else that's new on our VP. This week I steer what was your initial gateway into music? While I'm sure personally I grew up in a house where they were Jeff, love track albums and my mom went to the dentist wants relent operation and. They dentists played Hot August Night Neil diamond during the while she was on gas thing and she came out of massive Neil Diamond Fan which actually. The fact that that playing in your house, which a and battery some pretty good people and some of those old Neil, diamond albums and my dad likes of Country Western and things. And there was one beatles album a hard day's night. That was that had been bought in the sixties and that used to get played over time. So just that it was just not really but then. Starting to listen to. John Clearly. Starting to listen to John Peel at night about the age of eleven with twelve and thinking it's. Familiar titles. Yeah. A fifty, two year old man today. My Dad's my dad's go friend. The first sort of adult record ever got was eleven. That's go from the second madness album, which was also really good gateway into lots of things if you kid full of things up. Find out that scar and injury and things like that. So. And then a really. Supposed to hearing the full on John Peel. The fool. John. Heightening absolutely hyping it and thinking it was. And then just being worn down by. Months and then that being we ended up seeing him fifty two times that was. Funny process that it's not uncommon something you despise at first becomes an enduring passion. About Jimi Hendrix purple haze I despised it when I first heard it that's like ten years old I was just revolting noise and then six months later lightbulb went off. Yeah. Well, it means if it gets not stronger reaction in you, it means it's doing something in. If I. Come across a lot. One I eric be Google my name on twitter. Some people saying that they absolutely heightened me. Yes. Amend up. On or wherever kept watching me in the end they went. got that much time now. When he's suddenly sometime ago a list of things I like cosmic talk. And there's this sort of guilty pleasures section or maybe not even pleasures the end things like when I was young and he said like before you said mildness and. He's a big country with an exclamation. Extra, guilty really. Show. I was talking to someone about that lost oil. Why would I have been talking about big country national no idea why even? Seen seen anyone. But yeah how again? Well, again, they did one really good peo- session. That's the thing lawn really peel session, and then that it starts to get a bit of Jesse Stadium Rob. But yeah seeing nemours twelve or thirteen where they had this backdrop of these fields of fire were on fire behind them right So it's still listen to that I big country album, but it's good stuff Menotti was brilliant from then it's the chameleons Jim. Yes. Yeah. I. Mean was just Chameleons pace this week who, yeah we have got a new piece about the chameleons remark we have very good. They kinda positive by so I can't. I can't really comment on the but they were an. Ats Fight The music thing but scripture, the bridge album really was. A loved as a kid and it turned out my wife's favorite records. Well, Schizo have one thing in common I think. Still. You presumably. Denouncing gaels on does suppose you heard prefects you would have been taught me to young. Blood Ben on the prefight but I guess you would have heard the ninety on jump pill yeah. I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't escape them, and in fact, as a kid you deceive and law throughout this themselves that they were. Absolutely massive because I, think they did they did. Sign. Many jump sessions that seems to be present on the show the time you know you've got them on a documentary on arena on BBC two, and yet the didn't seem to be any way of selling them to the public of converting all that. Claim it just sales. When into more than a cult following A fulling which has led to the making of a really terrific absolutely delightful film. Really glad to say that a vacuum now we supposed to be touring around in whoever? Directed by Michael Coming and produced by by James. Nichols. But as it were kind of Co presented and Co starring Stuart Lee King broker is a fabulous film about a wonderful man it's just so. It's a joy. It's joy I mean I'm watching it when you something doing some time ago there's not fresh in my mind but I did see lover and I did as it happens I entered the nineteen goals are went to Birmingham thousand, nine, hundred, five to interview robot in the House that appears in the you go to visit his old house opposite the object pump and light and tremendously, and at that point nightingales. which is so different. Everything else that was I mean obviously, there's a kinship with groups fool but but like mid eighties Paul. Brady was the antithesis of the Gals I'm a monkey Smith in some ways as well. An all band. Did you get in? I? Mean? I think he read the enemy at some point you obviously must start reading the wire. Tastes accord with a lot of the artists they cover I, mean what? What's your memory of that time? STU INNOCENCE DOT Carnival position between. So to since he had cut music and this real sort of jump peel indie indie bands particularly from outside London well, if someone. Spent my early change thinking I. Wish I had been a bit older and I could have seen. The clash, you'll get the punk bands, Lloyd listened to the two-time tour weather but then it was pretty good being eighteen in one, thousand, nine, hundred, six because we had what's now remembered sometimes in A. Majority of ways cit six that sort of the enemy out type free type with the enemy. All these will coach shambling bands. Yes. They had that solve aesthetical of them and suddenly you're everywhere and there were fanzines about them on three of them will be on four times a week in the your local pub. So as really dig deep into that and the GAELS very sheeting full funds of that same thing with again, they weren't able to capitalize on that. Had He. Not. Closing on shambling. Anyone. That was that was a great thing. People are waiting I did feel like it was exciting thing and it was different and also. Weirdly, it tied in with the with the Salton comedy I think not period where you felt like early alternative comedians will like punk indie thing that was set in some way and certainly not living in London and not being able to go to the comedy stole the only places you saw those sorts people where the band's jeep assists when he was Kooky the poet opening four. Brag and the seat crazily experience. Pizza Richardson. From the Comic Strip updating protections midnight runners in between the Celtics and the Italian. Ashore set chippings an opening for the fall in eight four, which was a real. Light Light, Bulb, moment in your life, and so that to me, it will seem. thing. Together undersold John Hegley, Malcolm. Haughty. And people at that elephant Fayre PP cancer coach Rule Kristie Festival incurable. So you know they seem to be. It'll simply makes now safely if the sixteen year old me now looking a stand up now I would think it was folks now but I think he was of. That will rather than of this other of the council coach Don't get comedians opening gigs anymore. Really I don't recall ever having it doesn't work. It's awful. Sure, this I mean I, I saw Pizza Richardson Dennis active a Mexican bandit of new projects, and also it was obscene areas but was really only me and then I and then. Years later when he said he only did it that one night because it went down. So badly again and I remember it being we can actually detect shipping. GEICO. The for the full. Half the people that were trying to put him off one of the best things on it at the scene, and then, and then that that got two hours a single which I've got I can say all the show, the other shows. because. That actual night that I saw him? came out as a came out as cooed on. Labor, and so I in their. Nothing. Cheering. Just really. It was great because it had this over. The the full of the girls you know to take or leave it so attitude. Annoys. All you don't have to be. Like belton running around to being like A. End of the pay Rach getting everyone to join in and have fun, you could just be odds. Old could presence is even lit on the funding resign record. Building often jerry all that stuff. So three pieces about robot we're running behind page includes the autism spend, and they'll you the pace the following year, and then this John Savage wrote about saying the prefect. On the thirtieth of March nineteen, seventy eight at the Victoria Hall Hanley. It just clear what brave follow Robert Walls because he he was being the the other bands on the with slits in the buzzcocks think he had. That friendship with the both coats but the prefix. And they were off and he he just soaked up, he just doesn't care. Fits in the film but he told me that he wrote going through the motions with with with the prefect, which is the slowest song. They've got a really long. Judge because so of sham sixty nine fans wanted punked be fast. So he wrote the the slowest most annoying thing that he could to create attention those gigs. Recently what? Kids exam pipe is go lost and I was able to sites that seat you something. Robert said to me about the punk movement I said what you fast stretch him into disillusionment and saved him from wasting twenty years believing in things. About the clash tool he said on the clash to he started off being really excites invited on the white riot so. Within dice at felt it was just another branch of marketing I, think the incident which we've animated film hinges on, they run out of clothes and Bernie Rhodes gave them notre clash t shirts. Wore inside out because it be really enough to have the headline bands told why the clash they add to it takes its way round. He said, he said twenty gave up on this idea that was gonna be a everyone in its together and he was fast tracked into dissolution. I think he's. He enjoys being contrary unease east made is manage to make lifestyle the there's a missing. So ten years which was difficult to fill in and I think actually what people will take away from semi. That's the way me and Michael James Jamestown about it was. Whether they liked the nightingale is so portrait of this man it was sort of managed to absolutely do what you wanted on a shea string budget and he's Still freight now, even after a stroke and they still playing with with the group on his on his own terms and I think I'm hoping people can see as I think. People need cheering up I think weirdly happy fell. Oh, it's a very happy film. He's such a delightful self effacing. You know there's something about. something, about Burmese. Fund. So endearingly self-effacing and not drawing a Hema. So dry the I think outside the symptoms misset actually. Yeah, I mean I think if chip but I think sufficing thing is import nothing why? Manchester, punk scenes and Liverpool punk scenes and the post punk scenes in those towns had a regional identity because they they had a pool more Tony Wilson to lobby on their behalf and there's A. Funny. Arrogance about. The idiom of those with those towns that re the Birmingham punk scene which had led for mazing things in it but never really unopposed everybody's identity because it's not in the night true of people from there to announce themselves in any way the Action House is people. It's not a voice that people associate with prior to confidence rightly or wrongly. So it never quite coalesced in that way and he is very much put it. Yeah. Let's look back at the peace. Dividend was there was a lot Could almost have come from from your film. He's. Because he's being old twenty-five is the of grandfather already. SHAMBLING INDIE pop sound. And he says I get going Sultan when Royce's in these anti pop fans come to me and say you know the fight really ugly and you can't sing it's great in it. I. Think he has a certain amount of pride in the fact that the covered the sounds had him on the cover in a Cardigan indication of that house you busy Matt was the worst selling issue of sounds. It was. Just. Going some toast or something. Off The shelves. So so How do the foam come together? What? What was the germ of? Well Rope. Of after he has to pull the strings to keep in the game and when the the prefect together first of all I think in about. Two Thousand and. Two something then they decided to become the nightingales which will happen the first time around and. Heard. Always a fan. Annella smith-loyd would support them. London Gig because Ted Chippings in use to support them I around Annoy Lexington as well an against Moyer bad judgment or did it because it doesn't it doesn't work in where it used to be junk Ben's but that's what I him I. Always see them when I'm touring around. And about five five, maybe even ten years ago. He said what you think about making a film about the nightingales like the end Ville film about how the unluckiest you know. We're spending the world I went. Well, it could do that but you're not the worst band in the world and in many ways, you are lucky 'cause you still you still doing it and I thought there was probably. The worst something in there. I remember talking to people that BBC and me she radio bounce it and You know you always get not back with these things. You know you you wouldn't believe it really people just assume you can do anything if your mind celebrity but nobody wants to do the things I wanted to. And then boy, we're coincidence anemia oncoming directed the pilot of company vehicle and video did. And we just got talking and it turned out he was a big. Fan. I know I sit down will join on microfilm about them. and. So we cramped funded and James from fire records maxed out his credit code may em- helping out on a Shirley Collinsville. which is another idea it's page the BBC years on this someone else turned down and someone else. Did entity very well much better than modem and so. Everyone works on it for free from the had to pay the crew could in his shed and animates. Did with the animations for free and then it was finished and we were going to tour around cinemas, undo talks and stuff another sheet of virus. Reunited on the head, it's going to be on the Sheffield documentary festival the end of October in some capacity or if you can go and see it, you'll be able to but if he can't be online that doc and roles on. Television Platform, which is free to. The. Name yet, but isn't the BBC Showing in November, which is just great. It means that anyone will be able to see it. Approaches what you want really something like that I would I felt it was in the tradition of the sorts of things used to stumble across. On the BBC in the seventies and eighties united, wouldn't it be strange episodes of arena rule in monitor documentary somberly gladys. Is Out there, but it's just an interest together. The story just came together really well, robes obviously the really good reconsider and then other things suggested themselves. It was really funny how he's memories of events were often quite different to other people's memories of the same stories. So early on, we establish this. Technique web why we in Cheam about somebody and then ask the people involved that memories of it and they usually contradicted him and. then. Sorts of weird celebrities into frank skin it and John Taylor of Duran Duran's restaurant. With. You know from the Guardian and yes. So it which. gave it this. Become. A critique of the regulatory which suggested that you couldn't really trust the stories of these people anyway. Quite which. Seemed to be more. Sexy what what's which is good of the role of course of the king. Kong. The chew which was such a a brilliant idea. It's. Almost. Equation between which Robert. Schuman. Find the start Jay. Yeah. There's a statue of King Kong in Birmingham the. They're the six months but it seemed like, yeah, absolutely. Dominated much older men being really obsessed with the I never knew what happened to it and you know before the Internet you couldn't just find out. Did you so? Off the right off the years and I started to think of it. At the plan of twenty US looking for the statue as being like the story of robes life where it was this thing that was quite big daily in a way in the Birmingham scene and then went no knew where it went and would it come back and as it turned out the statute been to discovered by the Henry Moore Institute in Crispy you didn't go on display and then it's now in in the district but I just floated this idea to Michael the director we went to see. The Nightingale Lexington in Kings Cross one night. As we think about doing the film ropes start the stuff on stage that. It was really clashed afterwards doing full anyone else thinking of that statue of King Kong needs to be in Birmingham. City, you are you trying to what you know the host thinking about this? A nobody might have known. That's the thing. Anyway somehow and decided to do it to like play a mind game with me or still done. Then I've noticed him lock now. Things works really well I just I think it kind of it's it's quite important element in in the film isn't that something to hang the whole story on away as a symbol of something and he is a fantastic foam. So anyone who's listening to get a chance to sit. Either on as-yet unnamed television. It's not it's not the BBC you can see free. I'm just GONNA. Just. Through other things a free on page and then we'll talk about about what finally enough some I think also in the interview. He said something about Punky said on everything. So about purchase music until pump the only purchase things though ever listened to the English measly. ROBOT WANT AND HENRY COW IF. We. Were in the film because as a child rope sent him a painting, the did talk about. A little bit a painting from Robert Wyatt. Sent him letter thanking imprint And when they win the prefix got their first recording session with rough trade geoff. Travis said Oh Wyatt's in the next studio. You WanNa meet him. And wrote went in. He said I sent you a painting when I was a kid. Wants to Robert from Birmingham right and they with friends raged apparently. But I should probably know West is not the best of health. So we could we didn't manage to get that story into it and then if he's still got roped painting but yeah, it was somebody talked about We might as well. You know what? Let's talk about what it would seem dolf now to. Come into the world mark. Tell us about the new interview. Yeah. This is Angie guilting robot in August ninety one on the release of thunderstorm. I mean since great. The last half aw is pretty much entirely about then current politics is sort of depends on how interested you on then current politics but he convinces but the first forty, five minutes a really great. He took spout white moved to Louth wheelchair life is quite interesting about the limitations of being a paraplegic talks about new album. About how? New Material Robin Conversations Robert has a long history of doing a lot of versions in his work and this is mostly his own stuff and his partner I'll fritos office poems and he talks about that process of actually writing music to a poem, which is a very, very different process from his songwriting and. He's very interesting about that. Can I just interject looking run the reason we this audio for this week is precisely because fiber. This week publishing some collected lyrics. Probably about this collected lyrics of Robert want and Alpha Banger. Bang, Bang machine he pronounce her name. Ms. Salaries of books of lyrics. It's a really nicely don't piece of work rife with sketches and cartoons and yeah. So it's called side-by-side. He's he's. He's very he loves her writing views it. He's I I think my doorbells just gone. Couldn't hold on a second. Look. And he was never seen again. Met Roy in the street one. So I don't tend to build the people if I see them because I. A, it really could win people may ought be polite but I. Just wanted to tell him. You know how much of the songs of mentioning are thought really feel bad if I didn't and he was very good about it and that she knew he knew I wasn't you loads about comedy will the lesson he wonders I should expect. Something sent me A. Clip an email recently of clip of. Of Japanese schoolchildren thing massive jazz, Drum Solo. were. Obviously. Also, not something you'd like. Post Youtube. I pull the. Two GIG. I did I couldn't myself just been watching lots of comedy cool. Stuff on tally. It was the Barbican. It was the big staff third jamboree. So you waiting for mates come on the Jensen, you astounding the I couldn't stop myself. You and just. Kind of blathering like. THAN FAN boy so We wrong with very good. About. Because a lot of times people don't know that they still recognize you I think he's someone else and it gets really awkward. And they say, why? When's the word coming back? You know what? I was GONNA. Say you've got sort of Robert widish bid called. Small where world. So. He's charming about her poetry. You'll talks about his sin voice listen to a clip. Singer. Song by. Brown a huge off his brother. Now scientists, but within musician as as a boy. And he was such a writing vaguely very, very influenced thing and I was thinking song and if me and it just sounds like a really. Dusty Marya rejects you know. How We? Just. Couldn't really do. I could not domestic was no cap on me and this Is. So, just a- really retreating into all had left. Could you know did wasn't bringing it? Literally. A new book. Here. It's fantastic. The evolution of an English singing voice for him he talks about how played is voice how close is to his speaking voice, which is interesting. He goes on. He really likes hip hop will play trip at the end of the show when he talks about listening to Pete Thomas. hip-hop are radio one, this favorite radio paints its own. It doesn't. Nichols and. She says. I mean it's Just, briefly talk about what makes draw but want so unique I mean you really can't compare them to anyone and that voice is eight Sosa signed. It's kind of almost enchanting isn't such a sweetness to. The I love to the first series. Important rock show ever saw. Asia thirty teams free constantly park with soft machine headlining. Right and he's doing solo and some blues talking his ear and he flings his sticks downs for Thuc say I'm trying to play my fucking Solo. Trying to get me part of fucking message on thirteen. Prep school prep school and he's someone swearing on the stage absolutely transfixed boilers. My brother bought her albums I. Love The soft machine three. There's some useful seniors on that. Yeah. Somebody. So affecting about him, he's got this ability to sort of just extract the essence of a lyric and give them to you his version of shipbuilding. Yeah we should I. firt Elvis Custodians for example is is transfixed I. Think he's Great. He's upset utopias. Thank you mentioned in Bonney, Mo- moving in June I. Think you mentioned was the May? My first expensive. What was I think again, pill playing shipbuilding but then again, companies included. Mark. Allen sign for jumping at some point in the season decided to play loads of old radio sessions from the top gear dies and the he was itself machine session an idea which will as a young my may was dissolved jazz rock band that wasn't going to do I. As a thirteen minute jump peel session version meaning June much better than the one on the album. And it was what what you're saying about. Listen to over and over again on what? The drums and I made a what shit of film of it because it's it's so great and the underway. Especially, he's written a very conversational description of a day spent hanging around voice seem as Maida Vale Studio. Yes. Under drum patterns, follow the rhythms of speech. You know like messy and transcribing birds or something. He's talked coffee machine works and who else is coming in it's just. It's A magazine piece of music. What's funny is actually in the lyrics book, they don't put your visual lurks in the BBC. Of. Looming and transcribe boy he condo mustache live. It's very gary. Leads. Machine. Pretty interesting here in the. Obviously. He got very drunk party fell from a window, broke his back and became a paraplegic on for drama become paraplegic is. Total. Transformation in the way, let's it wouldn't be for guitar player, for example, and I wonder how much what he's done subsequently. has stemmed from a that experience and be the experience of being wheelchair bound and that. One's view of the world has to be different than some sort of way whether that impact on his ascetic, the original, the rock bottom album, which was my entry into why world is is to some degree about spirits very, very dark bow stat and Sucha. Favorite records. I think it's Really really magnificent and again, completely unique and distinctive sounding record, of course, produced by Nick Mason because he was Powell's with the pink floyd but the Michael Fills playing incredible guitar on it and the soft machine guys I think it's an opposite most. Terrific record of course is that he became a communist. Yes. She joined the Communist Party this time whenever and also leaving basically. This is going to love concern isn't that we can listen to this he he built she can is Louis thrown up he leaves the Communist Party in this is talking about that very good. In the CPS case. There was a funny double at going on where the the front was look. reasonable. Not like those horrible for ones. We Really Nice dislike. Really you know we know about why and everything. But behind that behind that they rarely off. Fairly, ruthless campaign to root out all the. Embarrassing remnants with basically in their minds was getting rid of the the tank legacy for A. Wonderful new new age kind of politics but in practice meant a sadistic. Roundup of. The people I had really come to light, which is so old anti-fascists. The Second World War with Paul Robeson records having jumped thousand. Dislike them very much these out these people that we will be told you know that we have to off nothing well. I don't know about. So. As far as I'm concerned when they got rid of these people effectively rid of me. Flosi don't listen. Don't know tank is term used within the Communist Party to denote those who approves of the Soviet invasion I love hungry and then subsequently Czechslovakia. The tank element was meant to be that it's just became a term general abuse. kind of old school stalinists. Is. Always in some ways, a politically pretty hard loin in terms of his politics in he's no doubt. He's never dour humorless. Always, a Xioaming con humor in that. We've got that on the side as well the. Did. Go to laugh and so it was interesting to hear this. This was probably seven or eight years before the I went up there and so. I think it's quite fresh at that point and they just moved there. He they talk about getting up twickenham because. This is one too many flashy calls street. Into Law Aliens. COMMUNIS. But. Yeah. He's yeah he was. Just. Absolutely. Yes, that really comes to an interview did. He thinks offering cups of tea and things like that. You know. Something Very. Lovely couple. It's nice to super. They'd been together for so many years and still together and what it just a great partnership creatively. Matrimony really still have you have you sort of kept pace with with with Roberts. Intermittently, and in fact, I actually listen to rock bottom for the first time about. Eighteen months ago and it was it was a bit like. Watching citizen Kane in my thought which when you either told these things, a classic indigo yelled get round to it. Had Up see nowadays that what amazing nickel that wasn't alive at? Around the same time is really great as well. So No, I land some. Of of joined him when he was playing shipbuilding not so time and then. And then had self machine as well, and didn't really know about the middle and I think the thing that people my age tend to get away you you seem you seemed everything between about in seventeen seventy six was just terrible and then you you look into it and you find out, it starts to become the gold mine if things that you never really everybody knew about it was date powerful. People in. Flares. Queen. which height and stuff. So then you find all this other stuff and. In Seventy one. Six primarily that to me is the most fertile period of. Music essentially. The Mobile. Robot actually affects he forced out of soft machine wasn't a pleasant sort of divorce. It's all and the moment he left they became the least instinct in the world just about overnight stay sort sorta became just so tedious it's not true but. You, know. Go. I love bits of their first three albums. Terribly. Consistent. But when when they were good, they really thought yeah we should just briefly mention the featured writer of the week who is not than Kathleen Maloney on good authority is Kathleen a not Caitlyn I'm with her because. She needs all the help she can get post talking. Shit. So. You Know Hey Catlin we're with you all the white she has a new book out. Called him more than a woman more than a woman who I saw on Saturday Night Fever Something Anyway New Noval Book Out Feminist Manifesto. So just featuring three pieces that she's written and great I mean, there's this fantastic with Courtney love from ninety four. Buddy Mike, and I'll just. She said I mean Courtney's just full on. Courtney mode I want this printed. She tells Catlin. This is never been Santana before I lost my virginity and a council house in Liverpool listening `isolation by joy division. So Guide called Michael Mooney who hung around with Ted explodes. Gets a little more graphic after the I'm not GonNa read that out, but it's It's great. An interview Kylie Minogue and there's a look back spice girls. It's great. Now also three own be pay in are now sort of suppose depressing me Brecca don't say the repossession we say goodbye we all signed combined this wait to this may be someone you familiar with from reading the Wa a member of silver apples simeon cokes some maybe briefly talk about sober apple's. Brilliant thing night did actually which was. Made Simeon made one out with a group. Cudi alchemists. We were a psychedelic stooges kind of type from Dorset. under the Guitar Spruce Simmons I know now these in all sorts of things in the beverage in the lineup of the crevasses currently going spray Jill Obama for all each kind of a a hired gun in things they made the record an album in a date with alchemists where he's doing his electric bleeps on improvising words over the of these sort of Cova rising stages whole. Quin riffs and I saw them do that life at Hewlett in nineteen ninety, eight annoy didn't know we was I knew I need the outcome widdly but I didn't I went to see them I. Didn't know who Simeon was on I thought. Really all. ONSTAGE Born in one, thousand, nine, hundred, thirty, eight. Yes torching afterwards and I've been no was right which is which is pretty good. You know when you? Don't even know how it happened really but it was a great thing to see nor she loved by used bits they actually on a show for BBC. Four could attention scum about twenty years ago used bits of Simeoni now commissions assurance package go ahead. Stuff Chris needs one of our contributors. This is just in the process of completing a biography of him, and luckily he got to read it and approve it before before he died. Great. Pioneering. Band. You could say without them you probably wouldn't have had suicide way suicide were and volume just below. I'm very involved in violation museum in southeast. London and there are a lot of people at the table let tonics who straight out of what he was doing. You know homemade oscillators lowest kind of stuff plugging things through we've got some really good pieces on the site about many but the peace we've got on the silver apples really good because he's he's he does great interview he really is he's really articulate very funny about stuff she doesn't take himself too seriously I mean he's not pompous at all wasn't pompous. And it says it's very sad. Yeah. I I didn't I don't in the silver apples I think went to. The Allen Vaguer about suicide oversee and he mentioned silver apples. Obvious kind of prototype influence on on suicide. Guys electronic really really. Electronics Pioneers One. Yes. Very much. Very different from silver apples cooling the gang we are saying goodbye to run old colleagues bowel who was really the main do the leader of Colon on the gang he. He. Jungle. Berry. Saad it's just justice came in. Yeah. I'm jungle just such a great team. I'm a huge guy. Yeah to be loved. Best of is so vital I mean. The guy in a way is it's a sort of story of T. bands anyway. Isn't it sort of two groups? They were one of the great funk groups that came out of James Brown, and saw the family stunned. But then they sort of reinvented themselves didn't I ask kind of more. Of Papa more of a kind of pop disco sorts of Great Yeah I mean Gosh you listened to the stuff consecutive chronologically is not like a big jump. It's bust off a bit in the studio and production terms I mean they started off very much of the jazz stuff. I'm the whole sexual was very much jazz section, and then the funk harder and harder, and then they started having very, very big hits in the early ages, which is what you're talking about. Barney? Ladies. Nine After they silently they certainly rather the Communist Party leaving Robert wired. They. Left me with ladies. Idea data he kind of linked up with them for bunch of those right bunch of those things so. I mean I think marks right those are kind of line that goes through like via kind of jungle bougie that was also a big earlier on. But there are some really great those early seventies records just fantastic. Yes. Sound and just really alive I think. Real Bond In the sense that say white rock bands abounds in a way which was quite as quite rare in American black. American. Music. They had the basically the same personnel for a long time. They were a real working band whose job it was going to stand and Brooks the house Sinoe the. Sensational, even through stuff like open sesame, which is I mean they had a real sense of humor that is hilarious record with like the snake trauma theme sort of in it, and they've got all this sort of mythological mid mid-seventies light site me kind of earth wind and fire ish color. Pyramids and sort of that kind of fear me. I didn't know about the. Earth when fired pyramid. had like the Taj Mahal of open sesame. It's very funny and again, the playing is just great. Great Baselines. Great drumming just super super. Funky, and just. So. You know. Major figure in the story of of American fung. Goes up to the. Saying goodbye to this week, and this must be the bought where we. We hear from you about the highlights of among pieces you've added to the library this week absolutely starting off with Hugh Nolan Instinct Jimi Hendrix in thirty, nine, hundred, Sixty, seven, this music echo and Jimmy says I'd like to plan notes and have it come out color and fight I thought let Fischel, working in a machine to do that right now. He's got pretty close. This is some questions jeep on this Jerry Nolan Johnny thunders heartbreakers he had been had left the band but was back with them for tour of England in seventy seven Barry Canes? News Bryson who just got on board. A Record Mirror is on the road with them and Jerry says this one guy I don't like I've discovered a coward and I can't work with cowards. Who didn't think he was talking about Bonnie? Well Pretty Johnny thunders. I don't know I. Mean Come on Billy Rath was another of the Muslim they. So I'm just not sure. Of course of possibly. Mostly as we as we learned last week become investment bankers. Too cowardly to be a punk rocker I spent a night in basements in Pimlico with Jerry Nolan Paladin Judi Moylan from snatch. But basically that your pill every ten minutes, we'll take you up next. We'll take you down some singing Jerry was nodding out on smack and we met PAT pilot and many many years. Later she remembered every detail of that evening except for my presence she no memory me who May Be wrong with laughter. So do jumping if you feel so inclined anything kind of triggers a thought in you. Great Lease Jane Persky Profiling Rodney being in Heimer, the mayor of the sunset strip for La Weekend seventy-nine. Now, she says the one thing she says, which is kind of funny devious because I'm not sure he'd get away with these. Here's a particular partial for very young ladies and the largest looming rumor about him the tends towards thirteen year olds. You well, this isn't really need is A. Will sort of Look ally in the seventies. The early. His English disco was where the led Zeppelin pickup, a thirteen, fourteen year old group is, for example, rubbing himself says, I'm only somewhat appreciated. Are People playing the forum because of me the people driving Rolls Royces because of me? When. We. Met Him in La. limps Tom Shake just about anyone I've ever met in my life. It was the dead fish endel that vases strange strange Bill Fella, actually kind of quite shy Geeky of found boy but his radio show woes tremendously influential. In says, he broke a lot of bands. Especially on the west coast sounds like she s you one betty page hangs out from the studio. Spandau Ballet. Gary Kemp says talking heads could be grace. They got rid of Vino. He puts looks from top on makes him sound any? Right you right you all. Come remained like could hardly be described his tenure. Court. Zing base registers and yeah, it's a great piece. This is the founded really do roth likes themselves and they make it very apart. Three. Record Mirror again pulled sexton on the phone to Louis Johnson of the bronze Johnson now this interview take place a couple of weeks after release of thriller and loose says Mark Jackson had off the wall and now he's trying to follow it. It's really impossible. The best thing you can do is a greatest hits album well. As a two weeks off to release a through. I think he was Kinda wide. Only the biggest selling album oval. And actually that was to the point where Brown's Johnson's career of starting to nosedive because they're sort of lost the Har-, the heart of funk, their their earliest stuff, which was terrific. Basically, in fact, artists, they must have played on quite thriller because they were Quincy Jones's go. Yeah Yeah. Life. God. Insurance Hagan Interview Sinead O'Connor. Fad She struggles with herself always hers. One purchases I went insane. Basically couldn't function couldn't even get out of bed to answer the phone. My nervous system was throbbing literally throbbing what it is a sad story is this before off the she Fighter of the Pope on studies show A. But he's I mean extraordinarily talented person tonight in but just absolutely bedeviled on mental health issues to this diet. It's heartbreaking yeah. Yeah. SINEAD STEWART DID. Renault, not only. She didn't do any. Other. Version she does that Bobbie gentry. So your some. Years. You. Know About Hoping I. Don't think. That's pretty. John. sturge. She's troubled rupel. David keeps the details ninety-three. We. Did have a recording career, which is why I didn't even know. He's great. She's setting says he'll given the gift of life one fucking enjoy it. Crohn's put on a pair heals all the apparel heals your dream. Voice we've taken to heart, isn't it? We absolutely have the pages office on a regular group would think of your trousers hanging up there. The overdue. Him, I think mark has a pair of leather trousers. I think somewhat line arrived. Transit trousers I'm not sure I'd get in. Fitting more but. MINGAS. This is greatest to be kids who look at me and go shit if that bitch can do it, I can do it. What I saw Clinton's victory speech and I saw him in all Gore I realize. That lovers is a White House of Love I. Just great. I've very secure mind security and I've made a home for myself in my disenfranchise state on quite home minute, which is actually Very Cool and interesting. This is definitely found always gives great. He's just one of these guys just wind him up and Salafi goes who Losses Vernon Gibbs really great writer wrote the sleeve notes to a massive Philadelphia Soul reassumed like seven the interviewed based on his sleeve. Let's about the band's about the musicians mfs be the studio guys and Bunny Sigler talked him but A. Lot of times would be causing a rhythm track and you could tell if it's just the way it felt we were cutting it. It's the musicians stopped looking at each other and throwing Lixin ideas that wasn't in the arrangement then with no, it was right because you can't write that stuff in advance you have to feel at the moment I it's a. Really Nice pieces insights into the one of egrets, bands, and recorded music his farewell show my lovely lovely things Malt Jasper take it away. We've sort of alluded stewart to your kind of wild fish musical tastes. So I went looking for a couple of y apiece is just for you this week one of which is our first piece on Cagey. Hanukah right. From Costco seem at the Tokyo showboat Japan coast in two thousand and two writes about it for the wire and it's it's sort of all night concert and it's really great piece where people cough kind of. Goes to this Robin Unlikely venue in the middle of the night and Tokyo's really interesting city in that it really does shot down after about one other than the all night drinking says, it has no transport you can't get anywhere. So it's sort of like almost like a curfew because you can't really go out and then get home again unless you're willing to stay out all night and then get the morning cheap home with older communities. But so he goes to the basement placen sees this five, six hour gig. It's a really interesting piece in great writing, watching him painstakingly with Voodoo storms of percussion from various seemingly ill-fitting in sometimes awkwardly syncopated patterns you begin to understand why he decided. Not to replace fish at Suchet's deposited drama, constantly shifting the musical ground will on Hainault Rennes the night with wild read shrieks pissing whistles, belching CONSC- like north as a string drones as it. That's a glass of really really great description of Casey Hina on I I always try and go and see because I was playing on a thing of him with something who was at least cool for she shusha but challenge Hollywood from this this dream but I I of it as well because I know it's going to be so a so emotion exhausting it is one of my favorite filmmakers, his Andrew Coaching. But I always put the films off until I. Know I'M GONNA be able to recover after. An ongoing is like that. He's one of these people is large of his records relying for said, listen to them every day. It's certainly. have. One in the. But If one of these people that feels absolutely necessary you feel so of purged after it and. It gives you a point to measure all of the sounds against when you think we'll the end of that the half minute fade out of that Summit Youth Song was a bit exciting. Say. He'll take that bit and do it for to ask you know. Describe those well, an MD because did I remember that easily did a really good job of it but also the thing of the the adventure funding the show in that is a good argument on things as well. What you're saying about it being tarring spoke to buy this piece as well towards the end Heino, sends up a Shimmering squadron of global notes from a shoulder top people are no longer show whether it's or then who's died and gone to heaven. He made some. Records with Derek Bailey where he's just. Making sounds really with don't really singing or talking just making SUV little shrieked some whoops and things there. Lies around or to adopt Derek Bailey about working with you because I really wanted to know we'll catch you on it was like and It appears he just sort of turned up never took his sunglasses off wherever they recording. Studio is probably in. And Mighty squeaky noises and then left enough was none the wiser typically if they're by these Sort of sense a funeral seem especially interested to know any more about him off. A. Eight shut down and then he went off so. A Lotta. Great. Got For stuart well, I got another piece from the wire, which is Laurie Anderson's invisible jukebox, which is the wild plays. A bunch of records for someone and Anderson is just a great character in a great interview. She's just very funny about stuff very interesting unlike a lot of people that go on the invisible jukebox who are trying really hard to figure out what they're being played if it doesn't know which is on. This. What is this is great so Conscious in that way, which is quite nice as a great bit which about Nam June Paik and being all the schoolbooks and having learned by middle school because it was funny at that time seventies eighties do something immediately be in textbooks. So suddenly your friends Kate is going we studied you in school I'd go what how awful I don't feel dead. Yeah. Let's is great and. The music but Mike Bonds plays her is is interesting and I just think she's such an interesting having that hit with though Superman. eight-minute Vo Coda so The. Radio. Those great moments she get in in the coach sometimes when something. So of escapes into around seventy nine, eighty, one quite a few things escaped. It was a brilliant amazing time. You've got this extreme things being hit records unimaginable now know an absolute unimaginable, but it was great. I was working as a Paul certain technical stores at the BBC At cussing house at the time and when it first came on the radio, the radio room plumbed in. The Go. ped, radio. fucking this. And I'm just trying to something, which is I'm not sure why I thought of it but what I used to script said it. Was Channel Four show in the nineties s Mr to blow-black would robbie nasty would been ahead of Ryan's time at the BBC in the seventies and. The No to do right to tell for the pope's and Reuben had very fixed ideas about comedy and he would never let a sketch longer than three minutes which found difficult. But it's. People's. No piece of detainment could be longer than three minutes but I, went right. Trim producers over the swinney when Queen did Bamyan rhapsody and he said Yeah. We'll last longer than three minutes. So what did you do that you must have played that through anywhere didn't sit well. When it was number one the first week. Let's hold them make it sing the play the first off of it, and if it was number one again, the second way they would show the second often. Down into. We think we think that we. Should have done like Queen. Everyone's go more that record this strange area prog rock operetta thing to the top of the charts you tend to think that was one of the monument swimming escape since the coach but Nashes, they're holding them thoughts. Look. Me Choked up. Wonderful. Let me go. Betcha. Think I'll leave it. There I think we're. We're at the watching the clock. I am presents a producer mind is. But. Listen it's. A great great pleasure having you on. The show thanks for having us. It's really nice to talk to you and it's also it's also really great to go through the material that you're looking at and to be reminded of days when music journalism in. The Yankees were aimed at teenagers was the kind of long form writing the you only funding the London review of books now. That's Caitlin Moran Pieces. So the so vivid sets the sets up. So description of landing in states on the plane of news a great to go over all. OCHRE. That's wonderful. So a final shoutout for King Rocker, the wonderful phone about foam. Prefect and still current nineteen mister. Robot Loyd is just one of the best music films I've I've ever seen I have to say so Koch. When and where you can watching the trailer for I was struck if there's a bit where in the trailer, you talk about how things have got kind of. An in essential while behind you on a billboard, there's an ad for comedy central. On, purpose you know what? was. Being, accused of doing that. Lena. Of Being Accused of having set it up deliberately and I didn't is that that would mean. have access to electronic billboard serving in eastern station, which I didn't but it was that's there's a lot of funny little things in that film as a kid falls over in the background. In that seeing a exactly the right moment to say appears to be a perfect and he's been pulled him up and. They're all they're all criticism not some kind of. Some kind of gold you controls things would say. Point just so? Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you. We'll be back in two weeks hopefully with Jude Rojas joining us we are GonNa go out all we not mark with a third and final clip from the robot wants ordeal. Talks about Peter Tom. Saw-, just flag up before you play that if anyone is going to allow for a really good full-tracks from two thousand who doctor Buck's letter, which is Marquee Smith reading out an interview with Peter Tong asked watch things night needs to keep in his back but it's It's really inexplicable smuggled into the episode blue. Jealous I'd never leave home without. Ask them all. Round. Listen to pizza total of thirty, nine, Radio One, this of. Hip. Up. Thing about an hour. But. Unfortunately come sit back with the radio say they keep injecting more and more of these nasty little news bulletins, which is like which I really hate BBC. I can't see the point of Matola hysterical bursts about something in bottomless make wherever it might be. That's the thing that wait a minute in your news not that doesn't send me on Thursday Junko try. You know. Keep politics out. A. All the people say, what's a? Sums up watch delightful. The. A love that was such a funny clip. How would like John? Coltrane in the middle of News, it'd be great. Well. Let's wrap it up the. Guy By. Hello, good evening you previously heard Robert Wyatt in conversation with Andy Gill in ninety-one concluding this week's rock back pages podcast. Many. Thanks to special guests to at LE- find out more about king rocker at King Rockefeller Dot Com those Bonnie hoskins and mark pringle and it was co hosted and produced by Jasper Murison Bowie there expect pages podcast is part of the Pantheon podcast network. You can find thousands of articles as well as hundreds of full length audio interviews, aerobics back, pages, DOT com. Everybody I'm Mike. And I'm Jesse, Erin. And altogether, we are the tree. On the show, we're going to share music that we love. WE'RE GONNA discuss how punk rock has evolved in different sub genres have developed. We're GONNA talk to bands that have been influential in shaping the music industry and our lives. 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278 I Didn't Know Your Voice Did That
"Hello. Hello, everyone, welcome to she podcasts. I am justification for men with me as always my. CO-HOST ELSIA far, I gotta give it the source so that I. took. My Co host Elsie Escobar, and of course, our wonderful producer back from the dead sort of he was just sick John. Jimmy go harry feeling. I'll feel good now. I like I. said I had some kind of crazy infection that started in my leg like a man I said it'll be fine I'll just. I'll just scratch the next thing. I, knew it blew up like three times the size and limped into the emergency room. They immediately put me on IV antibiotics for four five days. Oh my God. Well, we're crazy certainly glad to have you back I. Think it's the first show that I ever missed with. You guys be no, I mean, no, there's been other times when we couldn't record but not like this not like this Onstream Yard I. Think you're right. 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Those are just socks large for those are actually my winter socks. So they were extra fluffy and Niagara firm extra firm and Gigan- tour get a little uncomfortable when stuff like that. I don't know where to look or laugh or what I don't know. I. Don't know why you can both look and laugh just say what? I did the second. Joke. There was no skin. It was just socks. Socks right. Yeah. But and you. Anyway you all need to go shop. She podcast dot, com, not podcasts dot. She podcasts. Whom? She, broadcast? Dot. com. Let's she has die shop. Shop. That's right. All right. So what we got going on, so we have a little bit of a different workflow that we've been working with. We've been working with the produce, your podcast team to help US A. How I say this, I am having I'm still having a hard time letting go. As you know, just every single discussion, we've ever had about me letting go of show notes letting go. It's like therapy. Anybody who deals with me having to let of a lot of things. Jessica's always going like, but this to help you, but this is to help you and then tracy from produce your podcast. Dot Com has been amazing at being able to hold my hand as I take baby steps to let go of these things. So every time I go but no, because of insert whatever craziness I had her own problem statement. Yes. But. What happens is we have to make sure that it's branded. She literally said, we have to make sure it's branded with our brand like no one else would do that. But her. So. Yeah. Her team now. WHO's amazing. Her team is also amazing who who she. was actually as a private call last week and she was like one thing. I'm really good at hiring people and she is not wrong. She is really good at coming up with employees that know what they're doing and do it really well. So we're very excited to be working with them and we just want to say thank you to her. They also do transcription show notes, graphics, and newsletter. That's what they've been doing for us, but they do. They. Do they do a full production everything from start to finish so? If, you want to produce your podcast dot com and just see what kind of services they have and whether or not. They have something that they can do that. You hate doing, which is what we're trying to fight them so. Part of it is that I don't necessarily hate to do some of this stuff. It's one of those things that you've always done and you kind of do it, and sometimes it gets in the way for sure of all the things that I need to do in right now. Just and I are doing our very best to do other things to actually bring in revenue that require something that only I can do versus something like show notes which. I mean as much as I. I'm the only one that can do them. That's really not the case. Sorry, you're your special. You are sean. But a different definition perhaps than now to do all. That having to do all the things. You Yeah. Yeah, exactly special in even in a respectful way, you have to be by that. Absolutely Okay and I had a special shout out today just because I love her so very much. Morally Ni. Mo Car Emus Mark, day to. That's all I know. Yeah. I don't really know. Other than just the regular I mean, yeah, the you want to hear a funny story, really quick about Happy Birthday Song Okay, and then we'll say happy birthday to Carney Lima. 'cause nobody's GonNa did go ahead now would like to actually I mean nobody really even hurt. Okay. Whose birthday it is people in the chat. Did you hear whose birthday it actually was before? She took it all and started talking about birthday songs see. Cricket nobody even heard. Carleen. Nemo. laffy. Happy. Happy. I was GONNA say. She is part of our, she podcast moderator team, and she does an incredible job in there. She is an amazing podcast consultant strategist to all around like person who knows what's going on. She has years and years of like audio production. What do you call that thing when you do it for a long time experience experience? That's it see. My brain is going away. So lots of experience please follow. We'll have a link in the show notes to connect with her she'd happens to be lots. On instagram and facebook a lot. So I'll send you over to her instagram page. You can follow her with all of her one of onus. Anyway. Happy. Birthday Karl, we love you all right now. Just you can hijacking talk about birthday song something whatever you were going to talk about thinks. K.. I heard Trevor Noah talking about the birthday song. He's from South Africa and they don't sing that in South Africa. But his mother used to sing a song that was more popular. I, probably, not the stevie wonder song. But I'm going to use that as an example because I think of the other one. So imagine your whole life. You're. You're like happy birthday to those go trip or happy birthday, and then he comes over to the United, states and he's like four or five, and it's someone's birthday kindergarten class and everyone's going Hopi birth, and he was like this is the saddest most they thought. Maybe he was on his deathbed or something, he's like why? Saddest. Song. In the world, usually, it was more like a funeral march. We. Do and I never thought of the song that way. But it's really funny. Don't you think that like someone who is not from here would hear that and go what the hell on a birthday song is s like Clare says that the happy? Birthday, Song was written by two sisters from Louisville and we're honored with them. That's cool with a parking lot on my God. Yeah. That's really cool. Look at that. Right. The first sister came in and said happy birthday to you didn't wasn't going anywhere. So then the other one came in and said happy birthday dear. So took two of. That's right. It's like all of a sudden. It becomes it this simple song in Lauro till two people to write. Maybe the melody. Not Very many people seeing it though I know I mean we we sing in El. Salvador, we sang laws need thus. Zone. Less money. Anita Kay. CANTATA. He you guys you must see on. Is You? Yes, anyway. That like what we saying? And it's like There's. This. The, it's like a whole itchy song. That's neat. Minus you. Your family's on every time. Now. Now. Are We used to sing sample today, which is Green, frog in Spanish Sop. To you. Because, we didn't know we just changed the lyrics and have it say Rian? Random things they do in Hebrew. So. Yeah. That will really yeah. That's what they do have to start. Singing Green Frog. Do you everybody think? Dates May. Yes e- everybody just does it still sounds like a funeral. So he's not wrong. Wrong, it was funny. was He's so true. That's so true. It's kind of depressing it is it is a little I. Never even thought about it that way. I never wanted them to sing that song because I felt like so because it takes so long right? Anyway. Yeah. It sounds like we'll have a blue Christmas without. Anybody, son, Green Frog to you. I'd be like, what did I do? There nobody would know anyway. So we we're GONNA be part. She podcast is GONNA have A. Footprint on this view endeavor that Chris Creates. Those has begun. Fahd best global. It's like it's like he's he's trying to conquer the world with podcasters with the dream of having a hundred thousand attendees to this virtual summit that he is putting together. That is how many days six, five, seven. Yeah. It's one of those. A lot of days. Yeah. Let me look so many days long. But the cool thing about fast global August through the fifteen. Yeah. So five days. And he his dream is to really have it be a global initiative. So obviously, we are going to be participating in the US side of things unless any of you women women out there that our listeners end believers and supporters of she podcasts that you happen to live in a different country. Possibly Africa possibly Asia possibly Latin America and would like to do a session in your native tongue. Out. Any aspect of podcasting reach out to us. Info at she podcast dot com, we might be able to work something out because part of this whole thing is that we want it to be global. So we do have some hours coming our way. We are going to be putting some things together, just an I, and at the same time, a lot of the content that Kris wants to put out wants it to be in your time zone. So meaning you know we're not gonNa make you do something eastern standard time if you are in Australia right, you're going to do it in your in your, but we would really love to have native. Native voices doing work for their country. Yeah. I. Think Really Amazing. Yes, I'm so yeah. Have a slot the first day from one to four PM Eastern. Standard Time. So we are going to announce who and what will be talking about this week. Yeah. Very. So keep an eye out in check out the link. The link is podcast Expo, dot com, and by the way he's making a lot of that stuff free so. That's another thing that Chris is doing. Is that the tickets are he's really really pushing for accessibility to so have not not have it be an issue for anybody to have access to everybody. So this is something that is very unique, and if you can get the word out, that would be amazing. It would not only hell Chris who we really truly believe in. But also in this initiative that I think that is primarily fuelled by the independent voices of podcasting, which I would say the majority of other podcast conferences out there other than you n I just I. Mean, there are some, I, mean not independent voices on. Independent. So anyway true. Let us move on. All right. So now you're going to tell us all about the we diverse 'cause that actually moves straight into that I did the we are diverse. Conference this. Lot. This past week. I did a session on Thursday and Friday on Thursday I. Did it in English and then on Friday, did it in Spanish? I've never done a session Spanish. I have to say that I was a little bit nervous about that because my brain is you can see your and heard earlier I lose my own words in English so you can imagine. Imagine what could happen in Spanish and therefore I was a little bit stressed out about back. But all ended up going very well other than the fact that they gave me thirty minutes and my session was not thirty minutes long. Oh, I got through maybe ten slides and thirty minutes in sorry, ten, ten slides in thirty minutes. So like the twenty, twenty of them. were, gone. Oh Elsa. They didn't get twenty slides. Worth content. Sad. How. But I'll have a link in the show notes, maybe there will be new information. For that show and maybe I'll have that session in some way accessible so that you can hear it and see it. I was very proud of it. Saw My slides. Off they were brilliant. They were very attractive slides and they did have a ton of information which explains why only got through ten. Yeah. They had a ton of information on there and it's really hard to do thirty slides in thirty minutes. You have to do like one per minute, which is hard right. So which is really very eh, don't use. I. Don't know what was and Hugh Nolan. Well, you were thinking you have a lot of information to give and you like to be very, very thorough. Very. Thorough. To yes, for a high level thinker when it comes to making presentations, you forget all about high level and you want to give people as much detail as humanly. Possible. It's interesting. I mean God. Forbid someone asks you to think in the details then you're just like Swimming and. I can't get out help so. But. Now I mean I'm sure it did they love it. They did you get good feedback on it? I think so I mean, it was really tough. It was a new gap platform called hopping and I presented using Canada for the very first time. I've never done that I actually didn't even know that was a thing until I saw the button and I was like Oh, and then I realized you can present actually using. Cambe and I liked that they have this little circle that when you move the cursor at like moves to where you WanNa, go so I own that looks need until I, use that and it was great. The hop platform seemed really neat as well and what I loved about it. I did I liked it. They had a place where you can have the the sponsors like the have a sponsor area where you go in, they had separate rooms, they they have like a like a waiting room like if you're waiting to go on like there's a way to go on not live, but the room is live, but you're in the back. So that was neat and then they had a dj who was playing like all kinds of music that I love, which was amazing. So that's when I first went in there. That was like the thing that made me go. We are not in a regular conference right now. Did. It feel like a good alternative to an in person conference because I I struggle to see how zoom. Will be able to do that. I think that there's As presenters or as I think, it's so hard I. Yes. It actually had a different feel than doing something like zoom. I sure one hundred percent Zuma's like a, it's another zoom like it just feels the same. This felt different I think that challenging part about it is that there is a lot of learning happening. So I had to learn where everything is I had to learn with a plow form is I had to learn how to put my slides up I had to learn. So there's a lot of tech learning happening. And I would assume that the the people who were attending also have that happening. So the amount of teaching of the platform for the com- friends, put her honors needs to be way huge. Honors. Organizers is what I would probably go. Sorry. Yes. Organized I will put put her on her on my business card. 'cause I like yours better. So you think that there's some some learning curve there he? Oh, for sure because. If you're comfortable with it, it would be neat. You can do all kinds of things like a chat. You can reach out to people you can do networking. Like, there's all kinds of neat things you could do and I was afraid to press certain buttons because I was afraid I was gonna go live when I wasn't ready or who's going to show up like I needed more information. But I don't think that was their fault I think that's from everybody. As an owner. Of A virtual. You have to walk everybody through every single thing when they get on there and unlike a membership which is something people come back to and try again next time and go. Oh, what is this? This is a one time thing. So if you're going in for that one day, you have to like no the thing that one day and then afterwards your it's over. Cool. Well, that's a good. That's kind of a toll tip. And itself again. It was unexpected tool to, but I'm excited to use that for the first time. I. Definitely want to check it out. Next on the list is about the IRA. So, we're moving into some news, the news you can use. For the informed Pau. asking. So the we'll be hosting its first virtual podcast up in September for advertisers and media buyers to preview upcoming podcasting program. It's a three day event. It's going to be showcased completely digital lean over twenty presenter. So it's it's going to be I guess kind of like an online virtual conference, but that's not exactly what it's like in person 'cause I went to the first couple and you sit in a theatre style room and people come on stage like one after the other and present their fall lineup sort of like how they do for television television. The upfront is about. NBC CBS ABC Netflix's they all come on the stage in front of representatives from every advertising agency, and they show what's going to be played this fall some whether or not suffers coming back and what they're excited to launch it sort of gives advertisers an idea of what kind of by they'd like to do, which shows in which agency soap advertisers sorta sit in the audience and take notes that they can bring back to their agency, and so they decide you know many of the internships were canceled. So the core of the IB mission is setting existing media and marketing professionals up to thrive. It's important invest. Invest in our industries. Next Generation I. Guess they're sad because they don't have any internal probably who shows up at the up front, but they're just saying it's been incredibly challenging year for many people. That's why they're offering free access to key industry events. So to go, you need an invitation live nobody, can you like you can't just show up front at any upfront? You have to be invited by one of the companies. I. Think. So for them to live on lines comic deal. Nice. Yeah but you still have to go I mean if you click through that three day upfront thing you still have to apply. Apply I. Don't even know you just have to go ask them. Maybe a member too, which is or maybe. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're a student, you can go for Free I. Guess I don't know how they figure that out But if you are not a student, then you gotta pay up, Yo? Yo. Hey. Up, Yo. So yeah. But they're going to have all of the fancy people going in there. It would be very interesting to see if they have any celebrities I mean they always have celebrities and they're gonNA be doing a cast BBC, American public? Media Art Nineteen, cadence thirteen, Pineapple Street IHEART mid roll. MPR somebody. Famous Sony Entertainment Vox, media, podcast network. Westwood one wondering Warner. Meat I mean there's gotta be someone famous in there. They just announced didn't was, it was an Iheart just announced a new will Ferrell Show I. believe that's right. Yes. They are really pushing not one. Yes, and to John's favorite. He's so excited. He's GonNa. Right, now, TIG NOTARO's doing a new show. I think just knows how much nemesis will farrow you. You, love. Does hate. Will Farrell? It's true I. Don't know why you do, but it's okay. You're allowed. You're entitled to your. Opinion. Students Okay stupid as it may be. Funny Oh, my Gosh. Holy Crap. Who grew up? All right. So there's that ABC is doing that, and then I guess the biggest news in podcasting as of last week was that the New York Times bought production company that the production company behind cereal podcasts, and so now they are part of them, and so there's that nick walk covered this a little bit and I'm going to read you a little bit from his hot pod newsletter where he had a little bit of a interview with some of the folks that run into. into, it might as well. Mind you IRA glass was asked if you wanted to share excuse me sell this American life and he did not, he said, no, no, no. No. So this is not this American life. This is the cereal company and Julie? Snyder was interviewed by hot, and then this is directly from that newsletter quote plus Snyder just didn't have a huge interest in running a company. So that's why I had this quote. You see because it's so much harder to run a company. That, actually produce your show we go. It's not where I come from. You know she said I feel like I'm really good at supporting reporters and producers and helping them get the shows actually thinking about the company strategically was that type of thing that people would suggest to me. I would feel like it all made sense, but I would always wonder isn't there someone else that would be could be thinking about this four US quote but. Of course, anyway. On hence the decision to sell to the Times, which would provide the infrastructure instability so that she wouldn't have to worry about it any more once over at the time serial productions will be largely independent from the rest of the Times audio operation for now, we're thinking about serial productions is being adjacent to the Times newsroom said Dole, Nick Julie and her team already have the next three to four projects in flight, they have a full plate and And, they're moving fast and their stories are going to come from the this American Life Pool. The Daily and The Times audio team on the other hand are pulling more from the Times newsroom. He added operationally, they're going to be distinct for a while as the partnerships unfold I. Think we're all excited about different kinds of collaborations that we can do, and that's not day one. Have you ladies listen to the Nick Podcast, the Servant of pod? Now. I know. Now, I was very interested in a guy who talked about podcasting for so long actually starting his first podcast. And I went in and he does a really good job with it. I. Was shocked in what way got on people wait hold on hold on he has a team. That helped him create his show and does all the things. You know all the rest of the people who are doing wonderful audio podcast for like. The New York Times and you know Y-, you don't sound bitter at all, you're hiding it so well, know me know elsie sounds so bitter angry. Well, no, it's just a, here's the thing if I had that kind of court having me create a show where I had a team helping me create the content figure out like what the angle is scripting things out helping me figure out how to deliver because a lot of the things like this are very much about being able to coach somebody. Especially, if this is the first time behind the microphone and yes, there is a sense of like maybe this is really good naturally as a host for sure but he's He's got all of this other stuff happening. He's got people that are are able to edit and make him sound really smart. That's what a good editor does. They make you sound amazing. Wait. So you're saying that's all of it as a farce, just like our show. No, I'm not saying all of it is a farce. It's like Jalen looking fucking phenomenal at fifty one. Yeah. All right. You're right. All right. You'll sound really angry about it. Well, all I'm saying is like it's yeah, of course, there's a great show. Of course, Jaylo looks phenomenal fifty one with the face than the makeup in the and the body. That's what she likes. She's got a team. Sorry. So my yelling too loud. It's just that you that they got a note, I've never heard. Asari. And? Yes. Canine is still involved. I mean, yes. I hear your frustration. I believe I, agree. Use a spoiled. She's like here. You're. I'm just saying I agree when you have that kind of support. Yeah. It's GonNa. Be Great. There is no way that man would have put out a show that isn't spotless because of exactly what you're talking about John The pretentiousness of him. As a news letter talking about podcasting when he's never podcast, did I was excited to see. I'M NOT GONNA I wanted to go I. wanted to go over there and listen to a horrible show and now right? It was not. No, it's actually really. Yeah, it was disappointed that it was so good. Sorry. Disappointed you with his professionalism. Fuzzy. Did Not always quite pissed off. I would like to know like I I forgot who his team is. Well, he meet the team here. Go. There's only him. Kissed. Him. Wait. So you just had a whole bitch fest about how much held on the team. It says, meet the team and it's like him and then the L. A. Okay. But no specific like producer sound designer doesn't have a producer. They don't have as specific outlined producer for his show. Okay. So but I'm telling you I know maybe he just doesn't want to give everybody credit. So it does it makes it looks like it's more him than anybody else right to say, no, all I'm saying is that this is a very well thought out thing. Of course, and I, mean, otherwise, it wouldn't taken him. So long to do it because I mean, how long have you been writing that stupid thing and he should've. Imposter Syndrome. Did He? Yeah. Sure. Well, glad sky doesn't have that feeling skype Pillsbury from inside podcast although she's leaving inside casting which I'm so sad about I'm so sad to. But seems like she's going to have some superfund stuff coming up. So I know she'll still be podcasting just not as the host and writer of inside podcasting. That's okay. I don't know why did I go off on that Oh John, stop it no more talking about things that are not on their oh John. John started talking about Nate Qua- randomly. She's brought up nick laws article and it made me think about this podcast and I just I didn't realize it was going to start a whole thing. Didn't know what was going to cause an international incident. was just interested in heard it or not. You never know you know you just. Okay. I have not. I, think we're done with the news I. Think we're moving into some tool tips. I was really interested in this article that was on the spotify belong. And this section, you'll see the Lincoln shots was called how studio or. Is He's reaching the world through its multi-lingual podcast, which kinds of how you said agenda ten. So Laurie Martinez who is amazing. She produces company producers at the shows, in French, Spanish and English. And one of the reasons that I have this down in the. Tool tips versus sort of news or features, or whatever is because she said, something very interesting that I thought was very helpful and I think this is one of the things that we often forget as producers particularly when we're running lots of different things and as of now, Laurie really leads with mission and her mission in podcasting, which is something I teach all the time. So her whole thing is creating multi lingual podcasts out there. She feels that is actually she leads with all the time she talks about the power of language in all of that stuff. But how do you do that? Really I mean if we wanted to translate our show, think about what that would take. To, do she podcasts in a variety of different languages, maybe we do like a like a shorter show or maybe it's just me or something behind the microphone, and I'll do it in Spanish and English, but it's still gonNA. Take super along I. Think I mean, you need a new editor. Well, yeah, right. I mean. I, do you know how they do television? Translation. Does it cost an arm and a leg because it's Over Yeah Yeah Yeah. But I mean is that expensive like? Oh, I'm sure it's part of the I think it's part of the licensing agreements that they have. That's how I would assume like if somebody like, let's say Mexico, once the latest sesame street. Then, they would get licensed content and they have I think they actually have local people, Voice Sesame Street. That is in that colloquial. Spanish because I believe when I watch sesame street in Spanish, it was in my type of Spanish from dramas. Sumo blessed off course plus system. That's a whole different show. Well. There's the they always have different stuff, and then they have like the ones that are dubbed like even like how used to watch for the flintstones and stuff like that. The flintstones was dubbed into an Scooby Doo and all of those were all dubbed Adamant. Anyway. So I have this quote inside of this article that says quote to be able to consistently release her original shows in three languages. Martinez limits the series to eight episodes of season each one clocking in at ten minutes. She sees the short length as the perfect amount of time to adapt shows and translate them affordably. Quote if you have ten minutes, you can really go far thinking of all the. The different versions of the same thing. She says whereas if you did a show that forty minutes, it would be really complicated logistically to get that translated or changed and adapted to different languages and quote. So I think that this was really great. You didn't. She didn't just like all of a sudden create a showing like how can we translate it? She created shows with a strategy that could be. Translated and oftentimes whenever we have projects like this as podcasters, we don't think about that until later to a smaller degree when I started the feed I also did it knowing that I can only edit that show two times a month that was the parameters I can only do this two times a month if I have to do it more than that, it's not gonNA happen. So we need to really think and somebody says, you need to do a weekly show. You need to do a daily show. The point is, can you what are your resources and also is that in supporting your overall mission for your podcast because if it's not who cares do it once a month? Right. Anyway yeah that. Before we get into the weird wild show that we we have a new sponsor, well, swell dot life. So podcasts and swell casts are perfect partners you can create quick. So first of all swells an APP, let's just start there. 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So the APP share what's on your mind and get into it, you can go to she podcasts dot com forward, slash swell, and here's some cool stuff. It does or that you can do with it. You can share your swell cast link with listeners in your show notes you record and post just within the APP, you can use it for private or public conversations. You can respond with voice or audio emojis which I believe is like. Hot applause. Oiling Yeah Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty fun. I'm customize your own free channel with images descriptive audio supplement your swells with descriptions keywords extra links, follow US conversations use the Hashtag to categorize your content engaged new listeners and search for things you're into by topic or keywords so I'm thinking. Should create a channel and try a little some of these, and we start talking about that. We can start talking about that every week. Just how are experiments swells going? So we will put if we do channel whatever put the invitation in the show notes otherwise keep listening for your invitation swelled cast, but definitely downloaded, check it out and see if it's something you guys WanNa. WanNa do with your shows were excited to be partnering with them. Absolutely. It sounds kind of fun a especially if that, you can have the. Yes. The audio emojis are definitely a new cool thing. Yes, and now let's go into weird shows we. Weird, and wild. Weird and wild show of the. So, this is following up on last week's weird and wild, and I'm just saying that it was Michelle. Obama had a podcast or we I said no podcast, and then just you know was like anyway, whatever we're not going to go into that. But. What's really cool. Is that her first interview is with Barack Obama and there's an article that I want y'all to see that is going to be in the show notes as well where it was from deadline and you can see a picture of them recording I. really like the whole like couch thing she's like she's doesn't have chosen sees barefoot. She's wearing these cute shorts. They're leaning back and laughing at each other and they have microphones in front of them like that. Stand right next to you. which I think is like the most awesome thing. I think I want one of those things to how right in front of me total and just talk. On the couch as well. Yeah. Right. Anyway. In this article also has like bits and pieces of what the conversation was about, and in all honesty if this podcast would be like the kind of conversations Michelle and Barack have at home. I'm so in I, don't think she even needs guests. Yeah. They should just do Michelle, and Barack, you think just talk. And they don't even have to be like I mean, there are already inherently super smart and thoughtful, but I know they're also really funny with each other and they're like real people and I just think anyway I of course, cue to what? I. Agree I think that'd be great. So? Yeah. That's GonNa be a great show. That's all show. We have the Lincoln, the show notes for that, and then there's this new thing called. This is not a podcast and it's a podcast done completely. By artificial. Intelligence. So, all the top. It isn't on feet. Yeah. But yes, all the constantly isn't it is a podcast is an actual podcast. Done by something called GPT Dash Three. All the topics content episode summaries are automatically generated by GT three, hundred listened to it, and I can share my screen and share audio. Hello, and thanks for tuning in welcomed at this podcast is not exist a show all about the latest technology trends that you should be keeping on top I'm your top E. T. three this week about take your job away. It's a question, I get asked all the time probably more. So than any other on this list, why is it such a pressing concern? Well, there are lots of things that machines can do better than humans. We should embrace that fact and use machine to make the world a better place. Hands of the individual. It depends on the kinds of jobs that are done by the person. Technology has made the lives of humans easier and convenient. The only way to get future jobs as to change with the changing times in progress since AI is here to stay many people feel that it is going to take over the jobs we do on a daily basis. Or? Repetitive tasks such as accountants, auditors, paralegals are. Or? Shores photographers, teachers, translators, clerks, administration noise with the content. Honestly a computer telling me. I should trust computers and that senior. It seems very wrong. I'm not real. It is weird. I don't want what's to replace teachers anyway unless it's like very, very closely, humanly simulated because. I think when you're learning, you need someone to understand. You touted a person, not have a hand in that. There's a coder that bill code, just take a look at it and read about it. I mean like read the article in the. With the link, it's very strange. I mean the guy who built it. It's James, Potter Dot Dev, and basically he built I, mean, it's just like that software that I bought that I can make voice overs with and it's computer generated. And I can put whatever I want in there in text and it region. He built this thing called stretch, which is a bit like Uber except it's free and there's only one vehicle and it could be anywhere the it could be literally anywhere in the United. States. So. Like if you can get it. Because it's near you great. But there's one limousine. All my gosh. Okay. So. Right. I think his whole website could be weird and wild. Let's be honest. 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