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"howard dean" Discussed on Here's The Thing
"Archives for more in-depth conversations with interesting people like good morning. America's george stephanopoulos. When i left the white house in early ninety seven i was. I guess i was worth thirty five thirty six then. I felt much older. And i know why yeah. I'm in a white house. Here's your dog years multiplied. hear more of my conversation with george stephanopoulos. Here's the thing dot org. After the break. I talked to howard dean about what he thinks. Biden needs to tackle first. I'm alec baldwin. And you're listening to here's the thing i wanted to hear what howard dean makes. Joe biden's plans so far. I'm.
"howard dean" Discussed on Here's The Thing
"And i think we're gonna get our arms around this again. I think the vaccine is going to be enormously helpful. But we've got six months of really tough stuff in front of us. Where there i mean. I'm seventy two years old. I have to be really careful for the next six months now. When the vaccine comes people get a vaccine than they have to have a second one like a month later as it. Yeah right and you think how soon if i get the vaccine. This is something. I wanted to clarify for people listening to the show. Let's say i got a vaccine the first week of january and then a month after get another vaccine but i still have to distance from people and wear masks. Yes you really. Should that the truth is you'll probably have some minimal amount of partial immunity which vary greatly from individual to individual. Just why the numbers of on the second vaccine really matter. This is a peculiar virus which we have very little experience with heretofore. I mean there have been some you know the sars epidemic which was very small compared to this which we did not have a lot of success with a vaccine. But it wasn't nearly as contagious as this. I might add. The fatality rate was much higher than this one is so thank god. I didn't know the contagion rate. This is very very contagious. And it's an odd virus that which human beings have very little experience with. So that's most likely and i'm not a researcher but that's most likely the reason for the two vaccines my guess is. There's some immunity after the first shot. You really gotta get the second one. This is not something you want to fool with. And then after the second shot you still have to distance a mask and keep or you free to just move about in your safe. I would distance in mask. I wouldn't think i was free until we get to hurt immunity and that's about seventy percent vaccinated or having had the disease. We know that most people are immune after they get the disease. The problem is we don't know how for how law it could be only three months. We don't know how long vaccines gonna ask. You know the flu vaccine. You have to take every year and you have to get every year for two reasons. One we don't know how immune you are and to the flu virus which is a different wholly different family of viruses mutates like crazy very quickly. So you make it entirely different flu riders coming next year. That's why you get flu shots. Every year This we don't know that much about we do others. Been one mutation. Interestingly enough despite trump's chatter about china and all this the virus that most americans have is actually a european mutation but another and most of the virus in new york actually came from europe not from china because it was a we could trace it to european set of european travellers that actually came back from westchester county from a conference and that was the first case in new york so most of the virus in this country is the european variant now..
"howard dean" Discussed on Here's The Thing
"You're listening to here's the thing from heart radio. My guest today is howard dean. Dean has an impressive of former titles former governor of vermont former chair of the democratic national committee and former candidate for the democratic presidential primary and two thousand four and currently he is still opinionated. About what the democrats need to do this pivotal time. Deans faith in people's fundamental decency shaped in part by his years in vermont politics though originally a new yorker deem has lived in vermont most of his adult life and.
Too Ambitious? How the Press Covers Female Politicians
"And today i have two of the best political minds joining us and today we're going to focus on election day. We are recording this eight days out. It is so crazy to even say that. But we're going to talk to them about the election. What they think. We'll see what we really seen with women this campaign cycle in particular so we have to start. Intrude biji fashion with asking both of you. How did you get started in politics. Teen. let's start with you while i got started in politics. Actually the way. I got started on especially women's equality. Politics was right out of college. I found myself after i graduated from college. I got married to a guy from chicago. That's how i got to illinois and working for state government in springfield illinois in nineteen seventy eight with was the year when we were trying to pass the equal rights amendment and illinois was the hotbed of american feminism. If you can believe that. And so i learned all about you know marching and organizing protests and we would stand in our our green and white while they anti forces were there red and white circling the rotunda of the state capitol building at mail was there and all sorts of folks and here. I was a young twenty something Really just swept up in all of it in. That's how it got started from there and never stopped just working on gender equity issues democratic politics. You know when you live in chicago democratic politics like i'll full-time full contact sport. So that always did that. As part of my work started a group called cook county democratic women which was the first organization to support jentzsch. Caskey for office is not an incredible congresswoman and one of our congressional leaders And along the way met a guy and talented wife. Long enough ago that the three of us can't remember when we first met. Which was barack obama and michelle obama way way way back in the early days of his political career and his and then from there i loaded. That's fascinating and with karen. I met karen when i had my first job in. Dc in two thousand eight. I was the assistant to the political director in care with during communications department and i could tell immediately. I'm like oh this lady. Don't take no bats. Well you know that. Was you know as much as i love howard dean because this was at the dnc. Under howard dean. You know you kind of had to get in his face trying to so in the morning. Communications meetings as a representative from the political department. And you just sit there. I'm like i'm just here. Take notes just passed the notes back to the political director. Karen ran a tight ship off. Thank you so much well so for me. I was. When i got of college. I was working at a facility. It was in the kind of downtown. La pasadena it was a minimum security facility for teenage girls and these girls were incarcerated. They with their children because they were either pregnant or had very small children and so as part of their deal they were allowed to be in this residential facility in their part of there was school as part of it by loved it but it was. It was incredibly hard and one of the things that made it so difficult. Was that a lot of these young women you know. They're learning had learning challenges that were related to many of them had been sexually abused They had been engaged things and they had because this was a time. This was the early nineties When we saw a real explosion and understanding of gang engaging culture in la i went to ucla and girls. Were you know this was a big thing. Right that Women young women were could be just as violent. Frankly what frustrated me was this. This facility would classify a lot of these young women as having learning disabilities that they didn't have as a way to get more money. And i was really angry about that because i felt like you know you're these kids already have disadvantages and you're to be listed as learning challenge or learning disabled. That's a whole other mark that at that time in particular was just going to set the set back even farther.
"howard dean" Discussed on Words Matter
"Do you wish you taking more time to build a broader stronger foundation or is just one of these things where you were flying by the seat of your pants and you you were you were. I would have loved to have done that. We would have been have been extraordinary lucky to be able to do it. We didn't have anybody that ever had ever done it before. We did have guys at work than other campaigns but never frontal for insurgents they some of them run worked in Jerry Brown's campaign. When you start this is one of the big problems when you start from nothing in the second smallest state in the country and you catch fire unless you have an enormous amount of experience you just sorta riding the wave. I mean it's like right. One hundred foot wave out in Portugal. You don't really have time to think about building the organization just trying to stay alive and stay ahead of the next bump in the wave so you don't get killed. Yeah I remember when Gary Hart unexpectedly won New Hampshire in nineteen eighty four. Yeah I remember reading a story like the next day and I was working for Mondale so I was out fighting for my job and my wife and there was an interview with some guy in Florida and he was their state director. And the interviewer said. Well how big a staff do you have any said you're looking at it? And his law as they had no organization nothing and they had ten days until two weeks to the primary right. The I think your campaign. That campaign illustrates. There's two driving forces. One is the grassroots progressive strength particularly young people and then the traditional organizational power within the party. That was the genius of Obama. Was He took all that strength from my campaign this incredible passion and he impose discipline on A. He's a disciplined person plus in my view the most extraordinary job ever no. I was the referee in that campaign. Of course both sides thought I was in the bag for the other one but I was the referee in that campaign of course expected Hillary to win and after Iowa just went. Oh my God not only this guy can win the whole thing but he can be the president of the United States. You have in order to win Iowa. You have to be unbelievably well organized. I don't think anybody's ever won Iowa just by Passion. I really don't maybe on the Republican side. They might have with some of the right wing. You know event jellicoe types. But you really do have to be organized. I mean that caucus you have to be organized and you have to get your people to the polls and it's time certain there's never any democratic because pupil who are disabled or have kids at home or at work. Two jobs can't vote but organization is absolutely critical and that was the biggest difference with Obama's campaign. Didn't what we did. We were having fun. It was an introduction to politics for thousands and thousands of kids. I still see people all over the country. Hey I work for you to answer but the was not the discipline that you have to have to win the presidency. So very soon after Wisconsin. You come in third decide to drop out talk about how you made that decision. I decided a couple of days earlier. Roy Neal who was my campaign manager at the time called me up and said we got four hundred thousand dollars left. Put It on the air in Wisconsin. And I said no because I didn't want to stiff everybody for all the bills. Which is the usual. Mo. I knew I wasn't GonNa win the most interesting thing about Wisconsin. I was furious. I felt I had been screwed by all the other candidates all this politics dirty business but all those not wasn't as dirty dancing is now I mean but Al Gore who had endorsed us. Call me up in the middle of the night three days to go and I was furious. I knew I was GONNA come into third again and I was ranting and raving saying why am I a Democrat? Look with these people did to me. Tell me what I owe the Democratic Party. And he berry patiently listened to me for about twenty minutes of ranting and raving and he said well you know Howard. This isn't really about you. It's about the country. There's not another person in America. That could've told me that not one because he'd had the president takes stolen from him by the Supreme Court on a five to four decision. And I thought God if this guy's telling me that this the guy I have to listen to so basically I lost and I went home and I cleaned out my garage mode by law and all the things that done for a year and then I got back on the trail for Kerry so you started to answer that but let me T- deeper. I mean what's it like the morning after when everything you've been doing and pouring your heart into for a year some people for their entire lifetime. It didn't hurt me at all but it hurt. The only really hurt me is how hard everybody else had worked for me. You feel like you've let them down because they I mean people were one lady who is on disability. Gave me a bag of fifty dollars worth of quarters that she saver for over five years for something special. And you don't win and you Kinda feel Christmas you know. Just let all these people down but that was you know basically pulled myself together and did all the things I I went back to my oh. Life was unemployed for the first time short periods out in some ways the scream speech helped because people were really anxious to have me advertise products for them. Especially Yahoo you know. They had this thing about Yahoo works. They gave me a whole lot of money for doing a TV ad. So that made ends meet for a while then. It didn't take me long before I figured out. I want to be genuine the DNC which is a whole nother because I get to run against the establishment again and win. Yes and then you you become the man. So you go on struck by the The fifty dollars in quarters so you did give this woman on disability. Something I know. This campaign did show that politics are not decided exclusively in the back rooms all of the back room still exist but your campaign demonstrated that particularly young people where people who who are not in the middle of things can get together the Internet. How bring them together? There's a lot of new tools but they can have an impact so it was fifty hours well-spent very interesting first of all if you look at indivisible which is a pretty big movers and shakers these days. I don't think they consciously did this. Actually modeled after something from the campaign called Mita. We had eight hundred groups that self organized all over the country when they have eight thousand groups but most interesting thing about indivisible their membership is by modal age wise and so is my campaign. It's full of young people who provided all the energy but there's a whole lot of people my age or a little younger who had dropped out of politics as a result of what was going on in Vietnam hadn't paid any attention to it and now they were back so and that's still going on today. A lot of the structure right in the opening you talked about a lot of the structures. It did change politics forever. I don't really that wasn't my intention. That was a new generation coming to power in the beginning and they set the rules. And there's rules have been an extent. I mean that's why I think. The Republicans are in deep trouble. Oh they've got US billionaires and people who hate everybody and the average person who is under thirty five in this country seventy percent of them vote for Democrats but the younger people younger people. The younger people did more to deliver two thousand eighteen to the Democrats than anybody else. The interesting thing about the young generation is they're actually very liberal on social issues and they're actually more conservative about money than most of the people. My Age are in the Democratic Party. It's GonNa be really interesting. They fully start taking over committees and stuff like that. Because I think we're gonNA see something very very different than what most of us might have expected. So let's go back to the campaign for a few more minutes. What surprised you most about running how tough it was and how tough I was. I was did not think I was that tough. But you do get that far and go through all those things and you've hey I can do that. I didn't know I could stand up to that. I mean at one point. One of my closest aides had been with me for twelve years. Took me into a room and island. Said there's a story coming out the saying you're having an affair. I said what with WHO and it was. Just some bullshit thing. Somebody said they were going to print it and you sort of roll with the punches on if you get all upset about stuff like that. It's just that's what happens in politics. He you've answered my next questions. Would you learn as a person what you learned? I learned? It was a great country because you had unbelievable people did WanNa do the right thing and all you need to do is give them an opportunity to act on it. What's the thing you're most proud of from the dino four campaign? It's all the people that were pulled into politics who are now poised to run the country. Let me finish with looking forward. What does a Democrat in? The Democratic Wing of the Party need to do to get the nomination and and take it to the next step. I think for this group. It's true for all voters particularly true for young people. Be Authentic be yourself. Don't try to give cookie cutter poll suggestions because everybody knows what they are. They're not impressed. That's the most important thing I believe that we will lose the election to Donald Trump. If we're only talk about trump trump reminds everybody every day. That these SCHMUCK. We don't need to do that. We can dismiss this nonsense but we have got to focus on the things that really are driving. The country income inequality is which is really a surrogate for fairness. We live in a fair country. Most people think not educational opportunity healthcare Which the Republicans are making easy for by taking away. Preexisting conditions stuff protection was trump's lawsuit all of whom Republican Governors signed onto. So we gotta talk about that. This becomes a pissing contest between the Democrats and Donald Trump. Why not stick with trump I don't think it will. I mean I think we're going to nominate a candidate. Who's bigger than that? And if we were in trouble so most people look at the presidential nomination process and run for president as like. Why do we do this? This is so screwed up. I personally think it's the single best way to test someone to prepare them for the office. Am I wrong? I think you're right. I think it's tough. It's mean it's horrid people want to throw up by the end of it but if you want somebody who is tough enough to be president you better be tough on them when they're applying for the job Howard Dean. Thanks for joining us for the contenders. Thanks thank you for listening. To words matter please. Rate and review words matter on apple podcasts and other podcast providers..
"howard dean" Discussed on Words Matter
"And who your friends are and who you people you have to get along with even though you don't like them and all those kinds of things so there was just an enormous amount that I didn't know about national politics I also probably was not suited for what people think of as a president at least with the stereotype was one of my idols is Harry Truman Harry. Truman Reiner Lot alike in some ways. We're very plainspoken. People were not We're not impressed by big shots and we speak our mind. I'm not sure either. One of us ever would have been elected to the prepositions we were elected to. If somebody hadn't died in my case I'm not sure I ever elected governor of the state of Vermont although I was there for six terms once you're in office people love the frankness and they love speaking your mind but they don't like it so much when you're trying to get into office and Harry Truman. Who is I in? My opinion of our great presidents was very similar in that way. So it's you know. Running is different than being president. That's an interesting point. Why is it that the candidate plainspoken? This is not a positive attribute for a candidate. It can be too much of it. You make people mad and people's tender remember when they're mad more than they remember what they liked about you and I said some things that I've forgotten what they were now but weren't very smart made some gaffes and so forth and so on although my favorite saying was which is a Washington saying as people from Washington think that a Gaff is when somebody tells the truth and they shouldn't have so that was fairly popular. I just think there was this because we as a campaign were disorganized. I was disorganized. I think there was a question that arose and of course with lots of fanning the flames of both the press corps and the other candidates. This guy's not ready for prime time to be president. One of my favorite descriptions in primary campaigns came from Bob Beco who ran the Mondo campaign four and everybody remembers Gary Hart but in nineteen eighty three. We were scared to death of John Clan Hero. The movie was coming out and Bekele was very sanguine about it. He was quoted one day saying Tongue Lens. Going to learn that presidential politics is like flying at forty thousand feet. It's a little hard to breathe up there. It's a little hard to think on your feet. And he was right. Glenn WHO's one of the most admirable guys ever? I love spending time with him and his wife Anne but when the light went on and the pressure was on that's a skill he didn't have. That's right I just wonder. Was there a moment where you felt like you were in over your head or things? Were moving too quickly. I never felt like I was in over my because I didn't think anybody else with any smarter than I was. And I thought they'd compromise themselves on on Iraq and some of the other Bush stuff that was going on so I never felt like didn't shouldn't be on the same stages they but there were a lot of traps as you know politics when people ask you. Things sometimes is better. If you don't directly respond say exactly what you think. And those are the kind of trap side fall into. I get asked about the debates all the time and the debates we had by the time we started having debates. That was the front. I'd never been in a presidential debate my life. I'd never even had a debate seriously. Any buddy for governor until the last couple of terms so it's pretty interesting when you get dropped into a debate in your the pin cushion for Free Senators and Congressmen. How'd you prepare for those? Oh we had murder boards and it was fun. I still rumors still remember in fury. I can't remember the guy's name but I remember him. Well the guy who played Gephardt who just skewered me and was really good and made me furious and the idea and those things was to make you mad as hell so because you cannot lose your temper and so they try to provoke you to lose your temper. The guys I had that did that kind of stuff. We're great. They were from Washington. They knew what they were doing. They'd been there a long time. These really experienced people. Because of course trippy McMahon and Squire New People from all over the country and could bring those kinds of people in we had people like Sandy. Berger on defense team I mean it was. I mean it was great. I mean it was really good. Good people around me well. Sandy will remember because he was there. When George Mitchell was playing Bob Dole for Clinton in ninety six where and missile was tearing them apart in Wa Point Clinton looked over and goes God damnit. He's got notes over there. This isn't fair. Starts laughing like so. This isn't a real debate bike. Yeah but you know we all have competitive juices so before I move on. I just want to pick one thing you said. Which is you tried to make a turn to seem more presidents right looking back on. It should have just kept going as the insurgent. No I couldn't. I was trapped. I should have done it earlier but I never should've kept going the way I was because the message just was look at all these Washington people we can do better than this and we should get out of Iraq by that all the other people had denied that they never voted for Iraq. And all that kind of stuff. The problem was this and as a problem. Trump has actually. My crowd adored me. And when I started Turks. Talk about more mundane things like how you actually improved education in schools. They would clap. But it wasn't until I when I I knew. They wasn't revolutionary the street site and asked what they wanted and I knew that I shouldn't do it. And it's addictive and you get in there and you do that do it. And then it's great but this the same old stuff on television which plays right into the dean is an angry man kind of stuff so I and I could feel it. Slip away the other thing. That was bad was we thousands of kids in Iowa working and show and they would wear orange hats which was great and I would go and give a speech. Eight hundred people would fill the room. Many of them had orange hats on. And I'd go then I do a small event and I go somewhere else and do his speech and the room would be full and I began to realize it was the same kids they just moved down and I thought Jeez this is like at the time. The grateful dead now for this generation would be like fish where you had people following them around every constant went to well. That's fine and been rock and roll. They're all paying in politics. So good you've got to broaden your base. I was hoping there'd be a fish reference so then we've that's check that box so talk a little bit about the process New Hampshire. I'm sure you're very familiar with a neighbor Iowa. Very different do particularly Democrats. Have it? Right in allowing Iowa New Hampshire have that much. I don't I try to change. That became chairman of the Democratic Party. And we couldn't. I mean we could have. It was the blood all over. The floor. Wouldn't have been worth it so what we did was move up. South Carolina and Nevada. So there's really now for early primaries because South Carolina has a substantial African American population which is a core part of the Democratic Party. Base and Nevada has the second highest percentage of Asian Americans in any state in the country and a very big Latino population. Our Party now today is driven by people under thirty five women and people of Color. That's our core base so to have an early primary Nevada myla's really not doesn't make that much sense but the tradition of it and there's a lot of politics involved in at the end of the day most people have found. It's not worth it talk a little bit about your relationship with the press how you interacted with them and their influence on the process. Well they have a big influence in the process in Vermont. The press corps disciplines itself. Everybody knows everybody. They ask tough questions. But they're usually not discourteous and when somebody's ridiculous and comes from usually out of state and does all this baiting stuff that goes on so frequently the other reporters turn on them. They don't usually do it right in front of you at the press conference. But they'll do it privately or they're not sitting next to them or call them an outlier because everybody knows everybody. So it's not like they don't write unflattering stories that make you mad as governor would ever. But they don't go to ridiculous length and make suppositions and charges. Innuendos. That just aren't true. And if they do that they tell you about it I because there is some things that should be exposed in Vermont just like every place else. I was totally unused to the press corps in shocked by the press corps. Even the good papers in the national they wrote because they wanted to get their name on the front page there byline. They wrote about stuff that wasn't true including places really good plays like the New York Times. They put stuff in that. I can give you a couple of examples in Iowa. I was leading. Although I could feel the slipping leading was Martin. Luther King's celebration so I went to remorseful service. Martin Luther King and of course seventy five cameras followed makes that was the leading candidate and the press was making so much noise and pushing people around that it was disrespectful and the Martin Luther King is pretty important figure who died tragically and they were disrupting the service so I thought I should leave because otherwise service is going to be disrupted so I left but of course. That wasn't in the schedule. So there was a mass exodus. They were pushed people down. They knocked the congressman on his but they pushed over an old lady and they just high tailed it out after me and I finally turned to one of the Nice that you guys got to behave yourself and stop this nonsense. Just knocked over the congressman and next day. Dean Causes Riot I mean he's just kinda go really I mean. Is this the best you can do? You've said a couple of times that you could feel it slipping which means you're good politician. Because he's so what did you see? I saw disorganization in the campaign and some infighting that was going on in Burlington which was very bad. I knew was gonNA happen. I intended to make a change in my campaign manager in September and I couldn't because I was leading that'd be that'd be three weeks of Dean campaign in disarray if I do that and that turned out to be a mistake and then there's a lot of work that didn't get done and nobody wanted to do it like go out to Iowa and straighten the place out and I was stale. I was talking about before I was stuck in this democratic wing of the Democratic Party stuff and partly because I I was unable to to start talking seriously about policy because the Preston want to write about that. The kids didn't want to hear about that. And you couldn't get the paper. If you talked about policy you could only do it if you were revolutionary and so that's why I really felt like it was slipping away so let's talk about the night of the Iowa caucuses did you. The I have a scream speech I gonna get no let me let me. Did you sitting getting ready to go out on stage? Think okay. This is over because expectation. Nelson was actually great about that. He said look go out there discourage they expect you to come in I and just go out and give them hell so I did. Were you surprised by the reaction to we're going to go on on the screen because that Porsche surprised I didn't think any of it. I neither did any of the reporters in the room. I mean it wasn't till the cable guy's got their hands on that and then it went all over the place so I didn't even think about it until I got New Hampshire because we got an Hampshire at four a. m. flew in and had a big rally. I'd already lost Iowa. I mean Hillary Clinton was supposed to come in I in Iowa in two thousand eight and she came in third. Well you know she a lot more resources than I did so she hung out until June but it was a multiple person race people liked Edwards. People wanted somebody to beat Bush and they thought Kerry might fit the bill and he did a fantastic campaign. Did A great job organizing coming from behind. I don't think it costs the election. I think it made it harder for me to come back. I almost came back in Hampshire. We thought we could beat carrying a Hampshire and then at the last few days that fell apart we did come in second. We didn't lose by a lot with the cable. Companies did was dishonest. But that's how they make their living but I don't really think that cost me would cost me was all the other things that disorganization the not being able to the message. Better just my lack of experience as a national candidate and there's a debate in the Democratic Party right now between the power of passionate insurgency right Bernie Sanders Revolution and the power. A organization and strengthen Joe Biden can put this together with Warren can put together when you look back on it..
"howard dean" Discussed on Words Matter
"Joe Roast bars was twenty three years old. He came to work for our campaign. He ended up being the net master. Nick o'malley was the webmaster. Nick of now runs Shorenstein Center. I mean all these incredibly talented people came to my campaign when they were young. And they you know Joe and twelve other guys from the campaign built Blue State Digital. We were really the first campaign for this generation. This millennial generation and I was very disorganized and not very disciplined candidate but it occurred to them for the first time. That politics actually did matter. This isn't a generation that doesn't like institutions and doesn't like the sort of rough stuff in politics and certainly the lack of principle in politics but they all came into my campaign and then they made the switch to Obama who was much better organized and better disciplined candidate and they put him over the tops the election. My lifetime or more people under thirty five voted in over sixty five was extraordinary. One of the things I I WANNA get into but not quite yet is the incredible influence you had in changing the way people run their campaigns. Did you set out to run the campaign differently or did your personal circumstances forced on you a model because you couldn't compete with the old-fashioned mile. Neither one I had no idea what I was doing. That never stopped me from before for anything the kids designed it. They figured it out there. Twenty-three they knew how to do crowdfunding. And all these things. I had no idea what I was doing. One of my favorite stories. Is You know these you go back to the office every couple of weeks and thank everybody. And then you're out on the road for another couple of weeks and so forth so I'm in the office in Burlington and thanked the troops and Rura and this is after we'd started to get attention because I'd come out against the Iraq war and the kids twenty something year old kid comes and says governor. I'd like you to sit in front of this computer. Eat a ham sandwich for lunch. I said what and of course they're in those days. There were webcams but there wasn't any camera computer or anything. So this is all Greek to the. I had no idea what was going on. So I'm sitting. I have a ham sandwich in front of my web. My computer which is live streamed another term. I'd never heard before. And if they did it because Cheney was having a five hundred thousand dollar fundraiser in South Carolina two thousand five thousand dollar a couple and we outrage him. Six hundred to five hundred thousand dollars. Web screen seeming having a ham sandwich at lunch. I mean it was brilliant. It was absolutely brilliant. Wasn't my idea I can assure you that a trip. He probably had a hand in that because it was the kind of thing he would think of. But I couldn't believe it. It has become so much part of the campaign ethos now those sorts of things. It's probably hard for our listeners. To know just how crazy it seemed in the moment particularly predictive for someone who was doing it because you trusted the person but you had no idea why you're doing it right right. I had no idea what I was doing. I just did what I was told. This goes into the category of most Democrats. Now speak easily about what mistake. The Iraq war was when you came out against it. You didn't exactly have a lot of company with you. Every major candidate who was running against me either had voted for or was for. West Clarke had voted because he hadn't served in elected to office and they'd also voted for Bush tax cuts. I didn't realize until after the campaign was over. That would I was really doing running against the Democratic Party. And that's where we got. The I repeated Paul Wellstone's thing about I think I'll represent the democratic wing of the Democratic Party. It's interesting I'm Kinda were. Hillary is on defense on. I'm not a hawk by Republicans standards but by democratic standards. I believe the Russians don't understand anything other than strengthen the kinds of things she believes but I came out against the Iraq war because I read Everything that I can get my hands on and I read the Guardian and the independent and they were publishing stuff from him. I six that said that there was no mass destruction. Weapons and there were no atomic weapons. Cheney was knew there was no atomic weapons. He was trying to hint that there was a new. We couldn't say it but there were lying through their teeth about weapons of mass destructions and I also knew that the closest intelligence relationship in the world is not Israel America it is the UK in America and that whatever the UK intelligence agencies knew. We knew and I knew they were lying. And I'd grown up during the Vietnam War when to back to back. Presents lied through their teeth and sent a half a million kids to Vietnam. Ten percent of which didn't come back and you never ask somebody to sacrifice their children. Unless you're gonNA tell the truth and if these people were not telling the truth and that's why I came out against the war in Iraq. Tell me what it felt like. As this started to gain some strength you took a principal position on Iraq. You were talking about the Democratic Wing. Democratic Party and people were responding to it and a lot of politicians go around and no one ever really walks up to someone running and saying says I hate you. You have no chance of winning to have a good day. People say Nice things but did you know something was happening. Could you feel a change in the way people were? I mean we went on this thing called the sleepless summer tour. Which definitely was sleepless and we. We didn't have any money. So he hired Ricky. Oh seven seventy seven four seven. Whatever the hell was thirty. Seven and flapped practically flap Dr Wings across the country ended up in Seattle with fifteen thousand people. Every time I we crossed the country. I made them stop and places like Idaho because I knew there were Democrats in Idaho and I knew that we needed to talk to this. Is where the fifty state strategy came from my experience during the campaign every place has Democrats complain about South Carolina and Alabama we'll South Carolina and Alabama about forty percent Democrats as forty percent of the population. You can't not talk to those people. And furthermore we can't let rush limbaugh be the messenger of the Democratic Party. You gotta go down there and tell them who you are and what you believe in and so. I think we ought to get rid of the Electoral College so we so Donald Trump goes to California and Hillary Clinton goes to Texas. You have to do those things at the country's GonNa fall apart. So he stopped a bunch of places like this. We had big crowds in places like Boise just at the airport and then when we went to Seattle was just bedlam and Portland was another big one. And then he came back to New York and and Phil Bryant Park and raise a million dollars and I. I was told long after a by a friend of mine. Who Sort of insider in DC and has been for a long time and it was a staffer at that time and she said that at the end of the summer tour everybody in Washington was watching the television to see if the million dollar thing would get hit when we went to Bryant Park. I mean they were just astonished. At what the Hell is going on? I was so tired too tired to be astonished but it was shing. Yeah I mean when we out raised John Carey in the second quarter. That's when I began to lead the polls and that was because the invisible primary was all inside the beltway stuff but it matters at that stage of the campaign. The time that I took notice I mean I was paying attention like anyone in Washington not involved and he can't praise but I remember taking a cab from point A. TO B. and I had a chatty driver and he had the radio on and there was something about politics started talking and he was A recent immigrant to the country had become an American citizen. And some sound bite came on with you. Were talking to somebody someplace and he goes. Oh Howard Dean I just wrote my fifth check to him this morning and I just I mean I literally said what do you mean you're out and I said well? How much have you given them? And I you know. Normally you talk to donors and it's like he goes well. It was twenty bucks this morning but last week when I saw something I liked I gave him fifty and I just remember thinking. Something has changed that I missed and I better figure this out. Just as someone. Who's interested as an observer to politics and that you started that well I mean my campaign started that this is that look up my campaign looking back on it. The important thing about my campaign is energizing. An entire new generation by teaching them they did have the power in fact to change things and they could and it didn't work in the end but it may not only did it made a impact. They all went to work for Barack Obama for years later which Obama very nicely gave me credit for the ninety in Grand Park when he won. But I don't really take credit for that. I was the vessel And I did have an inspirational vessel. I let them do anything they want it. Because I I love this generation. I trust them. I have no patience with old. People who condemn millennials unwind all the time all these young people by every generation does that. It's time for us to get the hell out of the way and coach them but they were incredible. They finally decided they had to use their power to change things to Bush was screwing everything up so you you win the invisible primary and back then. We still use that phrase. You went from someone who is running ninth in the polls to this virtual money machine who can raise more money than anyone who's been in the Senate forever or the insiders of the people that have all the fancy endorsements and big campaign staff. What changed. How did the campaign free? You change all of a sudden where everybody knew your name. Lots of things happen. The press really does. It's really more sports polling than it is real serious reporting and they still do it. Press hasn't changed that much cable television. I thought was going to go into business. And if it hadn't been for trump they would have because he's the perfect reality show person to keep them busy. But the press tends to focus on gotcha scandals. Who's up? Who's down so they love it when you're coming up and upsetting the apple cards. They're really American story. Person comes out of nowhere and beats the establishment. But when you get to be the first person then you are the establishment and they come after you so there was that then the other guys. This is a tough business they used to meet. With the exception of Edwards's people five of them used to meet every morning in Iowa. What's the line on Dean today? How how can we take them down? I don't feel angry about that. Because this is the toughest job in the world. And if you can't put up with that what are you going to see this all the time? What are you going to say when Vladimir Putin wants Alaska Back? Unfortunately we guy in the office. Now we'll say oh yes sir. What else would you like? Let me throw in Hawaii. Yeah wife or a good measure. I was unprepared. I was not prepared for national race. I had no idea how hard it was. I gained twenty five pounds because I lived on peanut M. and M.'s. For about six months I'd go into the airplane. I could never got any sleep and when I don't sleep make up for it by shoveling bad things in my face. I remember in Iowa. I felt it slipping away three weeks before and I was trying to make the turn from a candidate who has an insurgent and beloved by a Core Group of kids to somebody who people could see his presidential because I knew closer we got to Iowa the vote the more islands. We're GONNA make sure that they had somebody who run against Bush and and and be presidential and I was unable to make the turn for too many reasons one of them was that when I started talking about sort of boring mundane policy. The audience didn't get the rise and that's somewhat addictive another one. We were very badly organized. We did not I was. I'm not organized person and this campaign started from. Nothing over a chiropractor. So office in Montpelier Vermont with one employee and now we were leading the pack for President of the United States on the democratic side. We were just not ready. We hadn't called the ones in Iowa for three or four months and Mike Hooley. Who's one of the organizers ever came out and work for Kerry and Organiz the hell out of Iowa and they did a good job yeah one of the irises I worked for? Walter Mondale and Joe trippy. Was HIS IOWA GUY. Everybody in the state but he had his hands full. They're talking about the difficulty of going from an insurgent candidacy to try to look presidential. Why didn't that work? Would you do something different way? You know with hindsight got a little more sleep. We got a little button down. The energy of the young people in the campaign was remarkable. But they've never experienced national politics before I'd experienced national politics in the back room but certainly never as a candidate. I think the thing that I would do that would be different. Is is gets more. Sleep and get prepped better. I had a very good prep team very very good. Both ended the domestic side and the foreign policy side. So it wasn't like we didn't know what we were talking about. But there's a certain The experience being a national figure allows you to synthesize issues in a way that I can do now because I've done stuff all over the world but I didn't have a lot of foreign experience for example at that time and I'd been to a bunch of countries is not the same thing as flying over Israel and showing the flag is not the same thing as sitting down with people in the room and figuring out how this all fits together.
"howard dean" Discussed on Words Matter
"Welcome to words matter with Katie. Barlow and Joe Lockhart welcome to words matter. I'm Katie Barlow. Our goal is to promote objective reality as a wise man once said everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Not Their own facts. Words have power and words have consequences. Welcome to a special edition of words matter the contenders. Welcome to the contenders. I'm Joe Lecarr. Given the intense interest in the Democratic nomination process. We thought it'd be interesting to talk to those men and women who've taken the ultimate political leap of faith and run for president of the United States. Our guest today is an author a medical doctor and from nineteen ninety. One to two thousand. Three the seventy ninth governor of Vermont in two thousand four ran for the Democratic nomination for president. While he didn't win the nomination he started a movement and later served as the chairman of the Democratic National Committee from two thousand five to two thousand nine his implementation of the fifty state strategy as head of the DNC is credited with democratic victories in two thousand six and two thousand eight elections with Democrats taking control of the House the Senate and the White House Howard Dean. Welcome to the contenders ready to be here. Joe Thanks for having me. Your entry to politics is unlike a lot of people who in Grade School told their teacher. I'm going to be president of the United States one day. Talk a little bit about how you got into politics in general well. My very first political office was student council and I was nominated by a Guy. I was shocked. I was just shocked that anybody would even think about that and I didn't win but two years later I did a year later. Whatever so that was my first political intro that I went to college and basically gave up on politics. It was Johnson Nixon to presidents one of each party lying about the war and fifty five thousand Americans were killed for no good reason and mentioned millions of Southeast Asians and so I've given up on politics and I went out West and skied and wash dishes for a while and then I worked on Wall Street for a while and then I went back to school and became a doctor and I never got back into politics until Jimmy Carter ran for president. I always liked him. I was in medical school and then I ran so I couldn't obviously do any work but I did go to work for him as a volunteer in Vermont. And that's what got me started in politics. I also is doing the Citizens Action Group to preserve whole Strip of waterfront on Burlington waterfront of Lake Champlain. And not let it be developed into condos. I wanted to be open to the public and it was and now there's a bike path. You can ride all Montreal if you want to. So that got me Organization mode of. That's really where I started my career you were elected to the state legislature. You Tannock Governor. But those were part time jobs. Yellow time job was a physician. You work in a doctor's office he saw patients and you did public service on the side. As a part time politics. I was the chairman of the county committee. It wasn't very big by New York standards but it was the third large. I mean it was the largest county in the state by a factor of three. So you and you could not win an office in the state of Vermont if you're a Democrat without winning that county so it put me in a place where a lot of people came to see me often. So Lieutenant Governor Talk about the day. You realized you were going to be government right. I'm doing physical in my office. August Fourteenth Nineteen Ninety. One and my third term. I did think about running for governor. The governor had left and I decided not to partly because there were two other people that have been a primary and partly because you can't shut your medical practice down for five months where you go campaigning and expect to have a medical practice when you get back and I had two small children. He's about supporting so. I decided to run for reelection which I knew was not going to be difficult and I won and then on August fourteenth nineteen ninety-one eight months later. I got a call. From the governor's office while I was practicing a patient and This quavering voice on the other end of the phone said I regret to inform. The governor smelling has died. And you are the governor and that was the end of my medical practice right then and there. I finished seeing that patient. Because they knew they were never going to get limit and then went to monitor the oath of office. So that's when you became a full-time politician right and a physician emeritus I guess. Yes yes. It's a good way to put it so. Vermont is the second smallest state in the country but it does seem to produce a lot of successful national political figures. Give me an idea of when you first thought where enter your head that you don't want maybe I should be president of the United States. Well I in two thousand. When Bill Clinton was leaving office and Al Gore was running. I went actually down at the suggestion. Somebody who didn't mean me any help to talk to Al Gore. But the fact that I was gonna run against him and that lasted about three hours. They leaked the story. It was in the Wall Street Journal. Every press organ in the state wanted to know about it and my approval rating dropped twenty points in twenty four hours and that was the end of that bid. Then we did some more stuff. We change the funding in the schools. Which is very controversial. So that the poor towns would be supported by the rich sound that was very controversial and then of course we did the first same sex marriage equality bill in the country and that was really controversial and after that I won by one hundred twenty eight votes rice six reelection now. I beat everybody by a good margin. There was a third party person in the race of aggressive. Who took ten percent but in Vermont? You have to win. Fifty percent plus one or the legislature likes the governor and we lost control the legislature of course because of civil unions so I was calling a lot of Moderate Republicans towards the end of that election. And then I I knew I was done and I thought well I'm going to run for president and the irony of it all is. I ran for president on the idea that everybody in this country ought to have healthcare and we ought to balance the budget. Those are my two key. Idaho's which did not engender great excitement as Treasurer Iowa winner for two years. Yeah well even a successful governor. Who who did things like Civil Union which proved prescient at the time universal healthcare things that now we talk about in terms of things that are doable impossible and then they were very controversial but talk a little bit about why you thought being governor of such a small state prepared you for an impossible job being present. Well I had been. The Chairman of the National Governor's that was genuine democratic governors association. I was recruiting chair for about five years. So I've been around the country. I recruited Janet Napolitano who did very well so I. It wasn't like I knew nothing about national politics. Bill and Hillary Clinton helped me enormously. I mean we have really big time stuff in Vermont. We had every child health insurance by nine hundred ninety two in my state and there were no pre existing conditions. Were not permitted in my state in Nineteen ninety-two I mean. We did a lot of obamacare twenty years before Obama did twenty years and we did it because Bill Clinton gave me waivers and Bill Clinton gave me waivers because I supported them on the night. The draft letter came out next door into the first primary state so they were incredibly helpful to me. From a policy point of view they gave me waivers to fund healthcare at home medical. Be Able to use Medicaid home so we cut back the number nursing homes and I had a very progressive record. We saved hundreds of thousands of acres. That would be permanently. Conserved and the Clintons were enormously helpful when the federal government was getting in the way so I knew a fair amount about national politics and I just figured I wasn't any different than any of the people I met. So why shouldn't I run? You mentioned the Clintons. You saw what? Those campaigns did to their lives. Turn them upside down. Talk about making the decision. Who Did you talk to? What did your family think? Who did you turn to to say is a good idea that you have this idea and you were going to do Had this idea or not GonNa do it. I mean I it comes internally and the way it always seems like I'm jumping into it without thinking about it but that's not really true I- mullet over subconsciously for a long time and all of a sudden you decision pops out and it looks like I just thought of it that day but it's not true but it was just something that was going to do. I knew I had to do it and I was going to do it. And that was that the family fully behind you Not Particularly Judy. My wife is never liked politics. And we had a deal. We have two year terms in Vermont. Which I'm actually a very big fan of because I think I'm actually a fan of terminal. That's to a lot of things wrong with the political system when politicians decide is more important than they get reelected than it is for what they do for the country. I think the two year term works really well for me because if you do your job you get reelected. The deal was judy. Each term would appear twice once on election night and once at the inauguration that was it. No campaigning no nothing. She's a physician. She's a very good physician. She's not very interested in politics. Luckily she is interested in me so she was able to tell me what I was full of it which is from time to time so one of the very first challenges of mounting a presidential campaign is putting a structure together right. How do you go from the three or four people? You trust the most who know about your local politics or your guy in Washington to finding people and bringing mixing the new. That was very very hard. I imagine it's hard for everybody except for those who've been in politics in Washington for a long time I was definitely not in politics. I did have some Washington consultants from gubernatorial races. And who did ads and stuff like that? So I relied on them. And and I did have my own crew from Vermont and we'd ran the campaign out of Vermont which was really important. People thought that was crazy but in fact it was a great place run campaign a lot of most this that we had no money to start with until I came out against the Iraq war which I'll tell you the story that later but what we did was power a powerful message so we were stocked up by twenty three year olds who basically invented the whole thing..
"howard dean" Discussed on State of the Union with Jake Tapper
"So that was one of the big questions facing nauseous Bernie Sanders but all of these candidates was Kenny. Expand HIS COALITION. Will he said look on the ground and they were able to do it They were confident in their organization. They did a lot of Latino outreach They're going to do or they're planning to do and hoping to do the same thing here in Texas where. There's a huge black and Latino population which makes up about half of the electorate here in Texas. Early voting is an important thing to mention here and that is That's began last Tuesday. It goes into a Friday answer the fact that he's done now before rallies by the end of today and some of the biggest cities in Texas he's trying to get that energy Drought a what he calls a multiracial multi racial multi generally generational coalition to help him over the finish line here in Texas as well and to do a lot of that work During early voting. Jake Alright Athena Germans in Texas C. N. N.'s senior Washington correspondent Jeff Zeleny in Charleston South Carolina. That's the state former vice president. Joe Biden has called. His firewall and Jeff Biden was polling strongly in South Carolina a couple of months ago. Does it remain his firewall? Can he count on winning their Jake? There's no question that he must win here. The next six days or the most important for Joe Biden's political career and this is why if he does not revive his candidacy here in South Carolina with a win. It convincing win. His candidacy will not be able to go forward. The question of a firewall is an open. One he's going to be making that argument as he travels around South Carolina for the next several days. He flew here overnight from Nevada. He'll be meeting with voters on Sunday afternoon and throughout the week and the question is can he make that argument that he is the strongest candidate to win in the fall. It's an open one because the racist changed this was not what Joe Biden was expecting. He was always hoping that South Carolina would launch him onto Super Tuesday and it still might but now the question is even as a win here. Is that enough for him? I was talking to one of his top supporters last evening. Who says that there is still a path? Joe Biden no question. Sixty percent of the democratic electorate in the primary here is African Americans. Joe Biden is going to be counting on that but she does not have as much money as opponents is not advertising as much as his opponent. So it is very much a argument that he is going to be making without the resources that others have and the fact that Super Tuesday comes three days after the South Carolina. Primary challenge for him as well. Jake Joe Biden is going to revive himself. It is going to happen here in South Carolina. He'll start that argument here today. Jake Alright Jeff Zeleny in Charleston South Carolina. Thanks so much. Let's dig now into the state of the race joining me now. Former Democratic presidential candidate and former DNC chairman Howard Dean and former presidential adviser Mark Mckinnon. Who worked for George W Bush? Thanks so much to both for being with us a governor deal and start with you. You've said that quote any attempt to derail Bernie that I've ever seen has always blown up in the face of the derail you and have a history going back. Decades obviously in Vermont Bernie Sanders is going to be the Democratic nominee. Look I think it's much too early to tell. I do think his win was incredibly impressive. Not so much because of the margin but because you really we are core base our young people people of Color and women and he really nail two of those. I haven't seen the breakdown gender But he was so he's on his way but he's got a long way to go here and I don't think we're going to have any coaching idea. Who's really going to end up at the Convention until after the Tuesday past Super Tuesday so three weeks from now. We're going to have a really good idea who the players are right now. We are six. Viable candidates are mark. Let me ask you. Sanders has now won the popular. Vote in Iowa as well as outright. Winning the New Hampshire primary and the Nevada caucuses realistically speaking mark. Do you think there's any way to stop them? Actually I don't Jake. The facts. Sanders train has left the station. Impressive win in Nevada. Across the board as as governor said kind of across all demographic groups is a seventy eight year old man attracting young voters. So there's something going on here. That defies the conventional wisdom. And I think Disagree with the governor. A little bit here. Which is to say. He's GonNa Come Out South Carolina in pretty good shape. It looks like and now. He's got tons of resources for Super Tuesday across the board. So I think in pretty short order not only is he going to be prohibitive front runner. But I think he's running up margins that make it much harder for anybody else to go into the convention and say listen even though you don't have a majority We we should. We should contest this. Because he's just running up the numbers in such such a fashion beyond expectation. I think it gives them a much stronger. Hand in Milwaukee Governor. You afraid of what it might mean for the Democratic Party in terms of winning the White House in November or winning down ballot tickets if Bernie Sanders is a nominee. Does that concern you? The Not at all. I'll tell you why. He certainly is a polarizing candidate but we have incredibly polarizing person on the other side are as I said before he showed last night that he can energize our core base. I am a believer in the theory. That it isn't swing voters that's the definition of a swing vote or somebody who votes or doesn't vote not somebody who's GonNa love go back. And forth between Republicans Democrats so my definition of a swing voter. If he continues to do this I do think he's going to be the nominee. But I'm not ready to say that there's five other competent People who are in. There's going to be another debate. We're GONNA see more there But certainly I think I'd probably rather be where Bernie than anybody else mark. I've heard some people who are skeptical of Bernie Sanders in November. Some Democrats say that the only way to stop him is for other nonstandard candidates to drop out so it's really just ultimately a choice between sanders and whether it's Bloomberg or Biden or whatever what do you think of people who are theorizing about that. What do you think about those theories? Well I think this impracticality and that theory there needs to be cold coalescing on the moderate lane of this primary and it's probably GonNa Happen here in Short Order. I think Amy Kluber showers likely to drop out and and and maybe others after Super Tuesday but You know the fact is that you've got Biden and you've got Bloomberg who are likely to go pretty long way down the line but at the end of the day the problem is the Bloomberg had such a poor debate performance. He's not very good standing to say that he has a lot of delegates. City should be the nominee and by just doesn't have the resources governor Took aim at Senator Sanders last night. In his speech he called Sanders campaign quote and inflexible ideological revolution. That leaves out most Democrats. Is He wrong no? I'm happy to have that debate. That is what the debate about this primaries. Look this is a contest for the most powerful office in the world so Y- people are GonNa say things like that and they should. I mean that's what the debate is about. And that's what the Democratic Party gets to decide in this process leading up to Milwaukee. I'm very comfortable with that. There are not any of these candidates that I would be worried about getting our nomination. I think this is an amazing year. When you have six people still left in the race when I was there there were three people that one of the lowest of which was me and I lived along till Wisconsin before I finally dropped out leaving it a race between Kerry and Edwards and Carrie came in I in every one of those so. This is a really unusual year. We've got a lot of talent and I'm not worried about what people say that. Look the voters will punish people if they don't like what they're saying and Marley ask you because I remember a different insurgent Democrat from Vermont running for President in two thousand and four his name was Howard Dean and there were a lot of people in the Democratic Establishment fretting about whether or not he could beat George W Bush but I also know that there were people in the Bush campaign that we're worried about Howard Dean getting the nomination. Because he might be able to energize young people and Grassroots Democrats. What do you think great point? Well I can tell you for a fact we were much more worried about Howard Dane than we were John Kerry. Why because now lear convictions and I think there's a lot of that in Bernie Sanders too. I think again. It's conventional wisdom that because of where he's ideologically there'd be easier for trump and Republicans to beat but he's creating a passion among voters the same kind of passion. Uc among trump voter. So again. I think he just throw out the playbook I think Republicans may regret what they ask for the end of the day because sanders is got a narrative and his narratives. Very much like trump's. Ironically which is the system is rigged. You're getting screwed. He just has a different prescription under different. 'cause I wanNA give you governor last word there. I mean you would have been able to pose a starker contrast with Governor Bush in two thousand and four I would. Have you know the problem is I was not all that well organized and I said a few things that I probably would have been better if I hadn't said so. You know what it is what it is and again there's an example that you can't tell Who's going to win? I was something like twenty points ahead about three weeks. Before the Iowa caucuses. I didn't win the Caucasus And so we don't know what's going to happen yet. Let's not all get. This is a democratic process. I've been I think it's a really good process. Everybody complains about how long it is and all that again. If you're this is I used to say this all the time now? It has a new meaning. But if you're not tough enough to get through this process what do you do when Putin ask for Alaska back well? Unfortunately we have a president who would give it to him today. But hopefully that'll change Alaska still still part of the United States as of right now just for the record Governor Governor Dean Mark McKinnon. Thank you so much. Appreciate both your time kickoff. Jake my next guests that our democracy is like a frog slowly being boiled to death but slowly so we can't tell Senator Chris Murphy joins me next on President. Trump's intelligence community crackdown.
"howard dean" Discussed on 106.1 FM WTKK
"Four and Howard Dean out that that was the day the hawk I call okay Howard Dean according to the pulling that was just gonna smoke everybody in the Hawkeye car guy and he finished near last place and that's when John Kerry came out of no where John Kerry Sir Vietnam but away and ended up on the track to win the Democrat nominee literally came out of no where dean finished wave and that's when that she was going nuts and I was not his problem than just like I'm not plugs is problem now plugs is problem now is falling poll numbers not me anyway to the farms we go to write Wyoming Orion great to have you with us Sir hello a rash gratitude to you for everything you do I'm glad you're talking about Democrats because I was watching not that town hall with Joe Biden a week ago and a gal stepped up to the Mike and asked him what he was looking for a running mate and he immediately asked her if she was available and then on top of that he went on to describe that he would look for someone younger who was immediately available and ready to step in to be president he says he was too old and everybody knew it how did how did you interpret that Brian would you I interpret that he was basically just telling everybody here and really want to do the job he just wanted to be the president for a little while and then someone younger and better for the party can take over since well since we got left by the store is going and I remember that I did with somebody younger the way the and trap Biden is to ask him a question to which the answer might involve a young woman and if you can do that you can trip plugs up that that that that that question did but try this if you think that was bad Graham sound bite number twelve here this happened on a Sunday you probably heard about this by now this is the Hamptons New Hampshire I say this is a town of all of this is not at a diner but away Steve Doocy fox is Hey we're the first ones that did diner stuff do see said this morning that that that fox and friends with the first anywhere to go to diners for why did nor was not ripping fox news by doing this I'm not I wasn't wasn't ripping anybody I just making an observation so anyway here is here is by noon unidentified woman asking him about his pathetic performance in the hall god cockeyed how do you explain the performance in Iowa and why should the voters believe that you can win the national election Russian number one I was a democratic caucus chairman of caucus no you haven't you're lying dog face pony soldier now.
"howard dean" Discussed on WTVN
"Four and Howard Dean that that that was the day the hawk I call okay Howard Dean according to the pulling that was just gonna smoke everybody in the Hawkeye car guy and he finished near last place and that's when John Kerry came out of no where John Kerry Sir Vietnam away and ended up on the track to win the Democrat nominee literally came out of no where dean finished wave and that's when that she was going nuts and I was not his problem than just like I'm not plugs is problem now plugs is problem now is falling poll numbers nine may anyway to the farms we go to write Wyoming Orion great to have you with us Sir hello a rash gratitude to you for everything you do I'm glad you're talking about Democrats because I was watching now that our hall with Joe Biden a week ago and a gal stepped up to the Mike and asked him what he was looking for in a running mate and he immediately asked her if she was available and then on top of that he went on to describe that he would look for someone younger who was immediately available and ready to step in to be president he says he was too old and everybody knew it how did how did you interpret that Ryan would yeah well I just I interpret that he was basically just telling everybody here and really want to do the job he just wanted to be the president for a little while and then someone younger and better for the party can take over since well since we got let's by the story's going and I remember that I do somebody younger the way they can trap Biden is to ask him a question to which the answer might involve a young woman and if you can do that you can trip plugs up that that that that that question did but try this if you think that was banned Graham sound bite number twelve here this happened on a Sunday you probably heard about this by now this is the Hamptons New Hampshire I say this is a town hall and this is not at a diner by the way Steve Doocy fox is Hey we're the first ones that did diner stuff do see said this morning that that that fox and friends with the first anywhere to go to diners why didn't know I was not I'm not ripping fox news by doing this I'm not that was wasn't ripping anybody I just making an observation so anyway here is here's Biden unidentified woman asking him about his pathetic foreman's in the hall god cockeyed how do you explain the performance in Iowa and why should the voters believe that you can win the national elections Russian number one I was a democratic caucus chairman of caucus no you haven't you're lying dog face pony soldiers now.
"howard dean" Discussed on KLIF 570 AM
"I had brought up Howard Dean again because yeah he's the screaming guy the reason I brought of Howard Dean in the Iowa caucuses you go back to two thousand for a late two thousand three in early two thousand four in everybody Howard Dean was the Darling of the press he could do no wrong Howard Dean introduced himself I think in the summer of two thousand three and said I'm from the democratic wing of the Democratic Party and everybody just embraced them and set a he finally we we've gotten so far away from our traditional values and he's promoting the he's promoting Bernie Sanders level stuff he was the Elizabeth Warren of his day and they just loved him and they embraced him and he was cover of time magazine is he the new standard bearer for the Democrats and the truth of the matter is when he got into actually having to get votes he failed he was out very very quickly media they have influenced to an extent but not as much as you might think that's why even with Michael Bloomberg running I don't know that he can buy the election as much as he thinks he can because I think people just ultimately they form an opinion about you and that's the end of that Howard Dean well I think it later became the head of the Democratic Party but I mean bottom line was he couldn't buy votes I think once you got South Carolina he was done I remember when he dropped out but everybody was very surprised what happened to the dean campaign well people finally realize guys a dodo well you can say the same thing to some extent about Bernie Sanders but Sanders is already run once and he's a known commodity now and media is much is they're trying to trash him and yet John Kerry over the weekend actually curse on his Twitter account because he was overheard by an NBC reporter saying that Bernie Sanders is going to bring the party down and that John Kerry me John Kerry I may have to jump in and save the party you know many Democrats right now are saying that I may have to jump in and save the party well at least two now that's Hillary Clinton and John Kerry I'm sure exactly if they could save the party or not but they're really worried about Bernie Sanders so they're changing the rules as to how they're going to go about the nominating process at the convention and Sanderson porters are going back to crazy there been saying about the how could you do that Bernie is gonna be the standard bearer and well you know the truth of the matter is I don't think they're gonna let him have the nomination I don't think they're gonna give it to him I don't think it no matter what they'll find a way to weasel out of it I think they just feel like they have to and you have to give him at least a little credit on that because he probably would take them down the rattle interesting poll today shows that people are very down on socialism it does not have the popular support that you might think I'm sure does among millennials and such but what if they ever done they don't know anything and they don't show up to vote most of the time there's not enough of them anyway all people just want their checks that's it they want their checks to be in the mail box and that's all they care about the rest of us just want you to stay out of our lives and let us get on with things it's tough to get people to do that of course you see if I can find this Michael Moore quote from the other day he was absolutely going back to crazy because they're scrolling Bernie Sanders again how they keep **** this great American I'm not sure exactly how you look at him in that respect but here we go let's see if I can find us on our rights now it's on the market okay I don't have it I raised it most played it the other day well once again the great build up I got nothing for you anyway so that's going to be tonight the expectation is Bernie Sanders comes out on top in the caucus followed by a Pete beauty gauge who says that if you voted for trump the chances are good you're a racist you probably don't even realize how that one I do have a that one okay here's BB to gauge arguments and I was it you can win over Republican voters I know a number of your precinct captains are former trump voters something like forty something but Republicans are have been seizing include including a new trump add on a statement you made saying quote anyone who supported this president is at best looking the other way on racism you've also said that on my show that's almost sixty three million Americans who you're painting with a pretty broad brush do you regret saying that at all no I'm very concerned about the racial division that this president has fostered and I'm needing a lot of voters who are no longer willing to look the other way on that looking for a new political home and I think it's one of the reasons why we have seen so many people in addition to the Die Hard Democrats who are coming to our events for seeing independence and a remarkable number of people who tell me they are those future former Republicans that I like to talk about in our campaign and it's not that I'm pretending to be more conservative than I am it's that we can agree if we don't agree on everything we can at least agree on turning the page and moving past with this president has done to this country yeah that's that's what we all agree on that's that's what it is that could possibly be the P. previous president talking about the bitter Clinger's clinging to their guns and religion and and his attitude towards those middle American heartland type people now that did that was nothing it is the lack of ability to be self reflective is just breathtaking yeah it's always it's always Republicans falls never never Democrats but they never say anything wrong about anybody they're just good folks in fact.
"howard dean" Discussed on Here & Now
"There American INSKIP that part of my interview with Amy Klobuchar. The World Health Organization is meeting today to decide whether the corona virus outbreak is a global health. Both emergency it says that there are nearly eight thousand confirmed cases in mainland China the virus has spread to eighteen countries in the. US officials have confirmed the first first person to person spread in Illinois and airlines have been cancelling flights to China. We've learned all of this through media reports but in communist controlled China there. There is often a hold on how much information the general public receives Beijing's. Great firewall is used to regulate the Internet blocking access to many foreign websites for more. We're joined now by Kerry Alan China media analyst at the BBC High-calorie. Hi Tania So Carrie. What kind of information are Chinese News Consumer Sumer getting about Corona virus right now? Well the government is giving a lot of transparencies to people. Also they're seeing up-to-date maps showing where provinces municipalities autonomous honest regions are being affected the hearing very very specific details about which roads closed door With shops closed for example so a lot of transparency is being given to people by the day to has that always been the case over the last few weeks it has been increasingly but when this current a virus I started there were very very few reports whatsoever. There was still a lot of questions about one entirely. This virus was we didn't hear anything whatsoever. In December. I came back from Christmas and this was a new story to me. I'm curious Is there a differentiation for Chinese news consumers between commercial and party media Do they prefer one of the other. When they're looking for information on the corona virus? It's difficult because China's media is so saturated by state owned companies companies and China has long term really phased out commercial media by by threatening advertisers really. So what's increasingly happened and and this happened a long time ago in mainland China but is increasingly happening now in Hong Kong is that advertisers are being told if you advertise with pro-democracy papers then we could limit your Your company's impact within the mainland. So a lot of banks for example. They're very fearful. That mainland China could stop their business could force them out of the country and so independent media and commercial media have really been struggling. It literally could happen within twenty four hours. They could just be shut down their website. Taken offline we've been hearing reports. That folks have been very vocal about the information that they received a back in December and early January And of course it makes us think back to two thousand the early two thousands when China was really humiliated After trying to cover up the SARS outbreak that year How a different has the media's responsible and this time in comparison to the SARS outbreak given the timing of this that it happened during Spring Festival which is China's normally happiest time of the year? It's the equivalent of Christmas. Those a lot of positivity a lot of media coverage right from the top playing down the idea that this was another saws and this this time I mean we have to consider that. Social media's come a long way so people are being given a lot more transparency in terms of what they can physically see so I mean one one example being the the two hospitals are being built within a week that people can watch the live stream so they feel that the government is actually doing a lot to handle this and these hospitals. Does your everyday people can log on not only in China or overseas and see them being built in real time. That's really interesting. How how does Beijing's the great firewall come into play here? In regulating the Internet folks have access to Of course government media what about commercial media. Well well there have been some independent media reports that have been appearing in China book again because it was Spring Festival I I was quite surprised to see not as not all as big as a restriction as I normally see with a major event like this so I mean one of the things we factor in his the joint Spring Festival everybody in China goes on holiday and that includes the a senses who are normally very rigorous in removing content. That they see as the anti-government so there was a sense of panic. Eliane especially during this time during the The holiday period. That's that a lot of people were seeing or the people's concerns and panicked because people weren't being told what this virus was an and and whether it could be transmitted person to person then. Yeah we've actually heard that On the website. That is very much like a twitter site here It's a micro blogging site. I think it's way Bo that Chinese people were venting about the way. The government is handling the outbreak What kind of information are people sharing sharing or are able to share online? You're saying that they're receiving a lot of information from the government but What about being able to be critical online or talk with each other about about the details of their hearing? Well there's been a lot more of that so I mean one news website is quite liberal. For example the paper has been doing live streams and it's normally wouldn't be allowed and they've been talking to people in Wuhan who for example. One video that I saw were some people arriving at a train station hoping to travel and finding being out the old travel was suspended out of the region and then complaining saying that they weren't told anything about this also within the government's meteor it self i. I've seen quite surprising. Think normally very pro-government newspapers saying they feel that this wasn't handled enough so so even state newspapers actually turning on the government and saying that this wasn't controlled in time but also I mean the censorship restrictions store very much in place that people can't access international media especially if it's Chinese language language that scary Allen Chinese media analyst at the BBC Kerry thank you thank you hear now is production of NPR WB. You are in association action with the BBC World Service. I'm Tanya mostly. I'm Jerry Hobson. This is here.
"howard dean" Discussed on Here & Now
"To Dershowitz make that case yesterday yesterday. And what are you saying is even if the case is proven by the house it still does it. Rise to the level of impeachment Mara Another trump lawyer said getting credible information on a political opponent from foreign sources would not violate campaign finance laws. I mean are Republicans applicants comfortable with where this going. That is the big question and I think assuming that there will not be witnesses. We can talk about that a little later but I think the big question when it comes to voting for removal or not removal is will donald trump be acquitted on his own terms will republicans say hey we're going to acquit him. Because the call was perfect he did nothing wrong even if he asked Ukraine to help him that was fine or will they say what. The president did was inappropriate appropriate as Mitt. Romney said it was wrong appalling but it doesn't rise to the level of impeachment especially not this close to an election and that is the big question and then trump defense team has been putting forth a very maximalist argument and I think almost making it a little harder for Republican senators to Kind of wholeheartedly. Embrace their argument. Well let's talk about witnesses. I mean Republicans have said they want a speedy acquittal. OF COURSE DEMOCRATS WANNA call witnesses including including the possibility of John on Bolton a does that seem likely. It doesn't seem likely even the Democratic leader in the senator. Charles Schumer didn't sound very optimistic about it. He said he hopes he can get witnesses. It's an uphill fight. Is it more likely than not probably know. you'd need four Republican senators to join forces with Democrats Mr Push for witnesses and we just haven't seen four Republican senators come forward if there's a tie on calling witnesses. Though couldn't chief justice John Roberts break it. Well yes he could but whether he would or not. That's the question if there were three. Republicans who joined the Democrats voting for witnesses. You'd have a fifty fifty tie. The chief justice can break the tie but the big question is does he want to. He hasn't really wanted to get involved. He's been described. What does a substitute teacher Because he just doesn't want to wade into the politics of this if he doesn't wait and then of course and it's a tie then then the call for witnesses fails thank you for this update. That's Mara Liasson. She's NPR's national political correspondent. Well here in Iowa there are just four days left until the caucuses which are crucial for this crowded field of Democrats hoping to be President and joining me now to look at the state of the race in Iowa is Christopher Budd bud cysts. WHO's associate professor of politics? Laurus College in Dubuque. He runs the Loris pull welcome. Thanks for having me. So we're four days out what are the polls tell you right now about the state of the race. Well one thing I think we can take away from. The state of the race is that there's some volatility and uncertainty. I think we're in for really really interesting. I probably probably cold Monday night here on February third. But it's definitely is shaping up to be a very interesting race if you want to look at the horse race. So who's up. WHO's down WHO's ahead? WHO's behind I think you turn then to some of the polling averages and what you see there in places like real clear politics is Senator Sanders on top Vice President Biden close behind and then a pack jack of a Mirror Pete and Senator Warren in three and four position than Amy Klobuchar trying to close the gap there in in fifth? Why does there seem to be so much variation in the polls or or is there more than there has been in years past? I don't think there's more than in years past I think One thing is to look at the average is like I mentioned and then the real story in the last couple of weeks here in Iowa I would have been how come some of the polls have shown different results. So we've had a couple most recently that have shown Vice President Biden on top but a majority have shown that Senator Sanders is on top. And I think some of the reasons or how the samples are drawn so another words you know where do they where do they draw their respondents. From how do they define things like who's a likely likely caucus goer and I think when you start digging down into the details of some of these polls you really do see some of the things that we should be looking for on Monday night. So who's going to show up. What is the age demographics? What's the composition of ideology? So I think one of the things you see in those is that when upholster has used a tighter heider type of frame to determine who's likely caucus goer that's tended to benefit Vice President Biden. And when it's a looser more open frame it's tended to favor Senator Sanders now. The KOCHS are very different than primary voting. People have to publicly support the candidates and then realign if their candidate of choice doesn't get at least fifteen fifteen percent of the room given that how accurate are the polls. Well I think one of the things you're going to see this year other than which is different than any other year we've had which is that. The Democratic Democratic Party has announced that they're going to release raw vote. Totals so in the past. You know if you were a Martin o'malley supporter in twenty sixteen right. You're the kind of forgotten person because if you look at the results it was like as though government. Yeah Governor o'malley didn't even exist but I can tell you I saw him on the on the stump he was there. There were people standing up in different places but we didn't have the raw vote totals so we'll actually be able to better gauge the polls This year because they will tell us. Here's the number of people who supported this candidate on the first vote. Here's how many people supported. What'd this candidate on the second vote? So we'll actually get a better gauge of how accurate the polls are this year but then you also have multiple people coming out and saying I want IA absolutely. I think that's the flip side of it. You're absolutely absolutely right that because we're going to get the raw data I think you're gonNA see more stories coming out from the campaign saying look. We beat our expectations. We might not have gotten delegates but we the increased where we were in our polls and so. I think you're GONNA see more campaigns making an argument based upon on their performance in terms of vote totals in addition to whenever whatever the delegate discussions so Bernie Sanders is stuck in Washington along with some other candidates for the impeach trump but he did call in During the trial in a break into an Iowa a rally that was happening for him and he said if the turnout is high we do well. And if the turnout is low we don't what do do we know about likely turnout based on. You said it's going to be cold. Yeah it's always cold than I saw in February so that's kind of a given I. I do think that that if you look at turnout turn out. And and who the likely electorate is going to be Senator Sanders according to the polls is doing particularly well with people who caucus with him in the past so these are people who are familiar with the sort of Arcane Rules of democratic caucus going and who are also showing still high levels of enthusiasm for the senator so those kind of repeat caucus goers seem to be very strong for for senator under sanders if he had them before The enthusiasm level according to the polls are pretty strong with with the the sanders. Folks that bodes well into his favor and the biggest story I think think of this is going to be. What is the age demographic of the electorate because if you look poll after poll after poll even those who might show some difference at the top of the results they're still L. showing this tremendous generation gap within the Democratic Caucus goers so he does best amongst younger voters Biden? vice-president Biden does best amongst those who who are older so I think that's going to be part of the story so if turnout's really high especially in places around universities and things like that I think that would be a good night for Senator Senator Sanders. So pollster your prediction one two and three I you know on the whole drive over here. I was thinking you're GonNa ask me that. I would suspect it's going to be a pretty good night for Senator Sanders. I think the most volatile result is probably a vice president Biden If KLOBUCHAR senator not viable doesn't reach that fifteen percent threshold shoulder precincts than I think. Biden could have a really good night if she is able to push through or mere pushes through He could find himself falling down to third place that is Christopher Budd says associate professor of politics at Laurus College. Thank you so much for joining us. Yeah my pleasure anytime and stay tuned because we're also going to hear today from candidate candidate Pete..
"howard dean" Discussed on Here & Now
"From NPR and WBZ. I'm Tanya Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson at Iowa. Public Radio in Cedar Falls Today. It's here now in a minute. We'll get the latest on the race for the Democratic presidential. The primary ahead of the Iowa caucuses on Monday but I the Senate question answer portion of president. Trump's impeachment trial enters into its second day today and in tweets tweets this morning retired Harvard law professor. Alan Dershowitz tried to clarify what he said in defense of the president yesterday. Here's what he said yesterday for president. does something which he believes will help him get elected in the public interest. That cannot be the kind of quid in pro that results in impeachment. Many people took that to mean that Dershowitz argued that trump could not be impeached for pressuring Ukraine in to investigate Joe Biden because trump believed it would help his reelection and therefore was not was in the national interest joining us with more is NPR national national political correspondent. Mara Liasson and Mara Dershowitz tweeted that he was not saying a candidate could do anything to reassure a reelection but rather seeking help in an election is not necessarily corrupt. Can you put this argument in context. is this a culmination of where the defense is going. It is has and So far it's been rejected by almost every legal scholar out there. But what it shows. Is that the president's legal team team has over time. They started out saying he did nothing wrong. The call was perfect there was no quid pro quo. Then it was even if there wasn't quid pro quo. WHOA it's not serious enough to warrant removal now? Alan Dershowitz seems to be saying. It doesn't matter what he did as long as his intentions were good if he thinks his reelection elections in the public interest in what politician wouldn't think that then anything he does to help him get reelected is fine and it was a very trumpian combination. Donald Trump has said article two of the Constitution. Let them do whatever he wants. And the defense team just really raised the stakes for Republican senators because if they acquit him they are basically validating that argument that the president can do just about anything. He wants. here's a Republican John Barrosso so on CNN this morning talking about that. Initial interpretation of Dershowitz claimed that a president can do anything to get reelected because it's in the national interest. The what I'm saying is presidents have specific powers under the constitution. I listened to the.
Bernie Sanders slams Biden: He brings 'a lot of baggage' into the race
"Thirty one days. That is how close we are to the Iowa caucuses just thirty one days new fundraising numbers giving us a snapshot into the current state of play with the big take away the Bernie Sanders or at least his fundraising operation appears to be surging at probably. Just the right moment. His campaign says arrays almost thirty five million dollars in in the fourth quarter of last year. Tops among Democrats who've reported an almost ten million more than second-place Mayor P Buddha judge former vice president Joe Biden and injure Yang Round out the rest of the top fundraising numbers Elizabeth. Warren said today that she's going to report numbers soon now. Shortly after today's numbers were published Anders took a direct shot at Joe Biden's ability as a candidate saying unquote. It's just a lot of baggage. Joe Takes into a campaign which isn't going to create energy and excitement. He brings into this campaign record which is so weak that it just cannot create the kind of excitement and energy that is going to be needed to defeat Donald trump moments go by responded Bernie Sanders Bernie lots of luck in your senior year Bernie joining me now is Howard Dean former Democrat Democratic presidential candidate and chairman of the DNC and also I see mills and political commentator and Democratic Strategist Governor Dean the back and forth between Senator Sanders and Vice President Biden. It does seem like clearly the closer we get to Iowa the the I mean this is the most obvious involving the sharper. The attacks are becoming. And that's I mean that's par for the course. This is so familiar from sixteen years ago. I bet he is amazing Yeah no that's this is what the what happens. So you got thirty days to go. Iowa is going to focus the presidential race and attention of the of the Democratic primary voters on the winner of this race ace and the next two or three and so yeah this is. This is the battle for the president of the United States. And it's GONNA get rough. I what we haven't seen is sanders ZANDER's going after Elizabeth Warren Senator Warren and I mean obviously. Do they have to do that or is there any reason for him. I'm she's been sort of imploding and certainly fundraising problems and not. She seemed to have lost some momentum from some of the debates do you think sanders feels feels he doesn't need to go down that road and possibly alienate people. Who if they like war and they decide she's not viable would go to him so the first thing I'll say is that I wouldn't characterize Elizabeth Warren campaign in any way shape or form as imploding? I think that you know when you raise twenty million dollars and a quarter or whatever. She's GONNA report. I don't know what that number is. That's hardly imploding. I think the reason he's and why though you're not gonNA see Bernie Sanders go directly after Elizabeth Warren because we are in this Democratic primary in an ideological battle and the two of them are ideologically on the same team. This is a battle between progress. Do we care about lifting up all the people do we care about the small guy about small donors. Um What is the vision for the Democratic Party America about inclusivity who gets to be at the table and then there's doing business as usual and so that's really what this debate is about. And so when you see the Joe Biden saying well I'm the guy who's been around for a really long time. Remember me you guys know what I did. I'm going to do more of that. Well people who support at Elizabeth Warren or war a Bernie Sanders. Don't really believe that that's the way we should move forward. We actually need some kind of change. We need some growth of different governor dean. When you hear a British pretty senator saying look you know? Joe Biden is not going to get people excited mayor you know. You look at Buda. Judge's numbers among African Americans.
"howard dean" Discussed on News 96.5 WDBO
"Kill topic shame to the topic shame you topic final thoughts. talking about this I've got to go on the site. college athletes should get paid I think it's great that should be regulated. but they should get a percentage of what what other people are making off of them all right let's move on from this so I'm not sure about how I feel about this next story what is the most ridiculous politically correct thing that that you've ever heard of what in rage is you and makes you feel like you can't even say anything anymore is there something that you heard in the news or something that's happened I I feel like I've hit my breaking point so the newest politically correct word that we're not allowed to use is guys. the take a listen to this piece by now this which was going viral online take a listen Hey guys welcome back to now this. guys is a simple terms it could mean always or if your modern hip it means people at first glance guy seems inviting friendly maybe warm even comedic at times but it like many male default term should not be normalized as an all encompassing phrase com on. come on. and my head hurts Howard Dean scream two thousand four. boy. listen guys I mean people I feel like that is almost more degrading when you say Hey people like wait what did you mean by people are you classifying maybe as a specific person. no Hey guys it's just the language Hey guys how aria thanks guys and it means it's inclusive of everybody I think guys I think girls I think everybody uses the term guys in one way or another now here's the interesting thing because I need.
"howard dean" Discussed on The Fifth Column
"Again in that howard dean wanted to take our country back in joe biden was warning democrats that they going to put you all back in chains like this is how politics put you all back in chains to be black a different zip code i mean this is this is how politics works and i you know i don't know what the journalist journalistic the political responsibility i give them full credit i mean this is an issue on that on which you can actually do this type of you know demagoguery or whatever you want to call it is that you have perfect cover right i mean you don't want to attack children you don't want to check not only children children victims they're not direct victims in the way that those that were murdered are but these people were under fire just a month and a half two months ago so it feels unseemly and it feels wrong to say go out and say you know the guy who's pumping his fist the david hogger whatever i don't or the the woman consol this woman i had an instinct and restrain myself when i was watching the thing and i i see her talking and she's got a cuban flag on her and i was like well that seems a bit fuck up and i was like oh she's like sixteen and she's probably of cuban heritage and probably knows nothing about anything that happened from nineteen fifty nine today her family like fled well i mean.
"howard dean" Discussed on 1947: The Meet the Press Podcast
"I don't know i i don't see see any similarities two thousand eighteen to two thousand two when howard dean was unjust start and right ed and what's interesting to be it's funny you say this about don't get too caught up in trump howard deed was calling for a cleaner break from bush and instead the end the democratic electric clearly wish bonded to that and then when it caved in everybody went all right let's go with bush light and john kerry was bush light nope eto which you had the will you have to nominate someone who can beat him um what he i feel like that that could be the tension could be some in there maybe there but i i have a feeling to me this is starting to shape up a little bit more like some combination of carter and clinton drastic that that we may jumped with somebody in a saturday six i'll so seventy six was everybody everybody wants to run for president in seventy six on the democratic riot right like everybody but with and ultimately we went with somebody who was outside the mold who is sort of saying you know honesty and and let's let's sort of restore something different or clinton's case we went generational and said you know we got it we gotta make that leap but i i i don't know what it is yet but i have a feeling it's a bigger leap than what he had simply who can beat trump or who stands up to trump more i mean there are several cano one names but there are several people who are already starting to do that and they're doing it well and i'm not saying that's wrong i'm just saying that i have a feeling the electorates gonna jump somewhere and whether it's mack grown like whether it's clinton or carter in our own history i don't know but i think the leap as comment chop i you know i'm with you there's i smell a song this i don't know what that means but remember we none of us saw pulse on this coming.