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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

06:11 min | Last week

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Yeah, they don't have their missing some guys in it, but on the other hand, Howard Stephen clay are looking at it now 29 of 94 combined on threes, which is like 30%. You got to figure out there's an eruption coming at some point. Yes, you know, and grizzly is just like maybe it doesn't maybe next season, not the next two games. And I think we have more confidence that that will be Steph in game 6 than to maybe clay. I mean, somebody said this to, I wish I could remember who told who said this to me, I think it was in the last day or two. The idea that maybe clay has hit The Rookie wall. That after two years, two and a half years out and he's back and he's fully healed from his Achilles and he's fully healed from his ACL and he's done all of the ramping up and all that other stuff that you do to get ready to start playing again and he's been playing again but he's been playing again for a few months and is this the veterans version of The Rookie wall where it doesn't matter how much ramping up and conditioning and basketball training and all that stuff you did, he hasn't had to play this many games in this short period of time since he first went down three years ago. We're getting close to the three year anniversary of his first injury. And so is that it. And you hope you hope that that's the explanation as opposed to well, this is just who clay is now at 32 years old. And post two serious injuries. But maybe there's a Jordan tool eruption coming. Jordan Poole was had a phenomenal season. He was a total dud in game 5. They have places they can go. I just don't think it's as reliable or as automatic as it wants. They've looked weirdly out of sync. Like even the last two or three games, Stephen draymond have had some miscommunications where they're not on the same page about where stuff going to cut where's the handoff gonna be. Where's the pass going to go? It's like very normally those guys can play with their eyes closed without talking at all. It's been very, they've just been discombobulated and they need to get recombined immediately because, you know, look, don't trifle with the grids. That's all I'm saying. Yeah. And I don't know that I've ever been more impressed by a team lacking established superstar talent, right? Like John morant is an absolute stud, and they can win without him consistently over the course of the season. And then in a critical playoff game against a team with championship pedigree. I don't even know what to make of it anymore, Zack. And jaren Jackson junior obviously is a great player and they've got a lot of other really good players and they play their butts off and we always talk about how much we admire the teams that just play hard every possession every single week. Right, but again, you still look across the roster and say like what the hell is happening here? Like they have no job morant and there's no star power here and stars rule in this league. It is immutable and immutable law of the NBA and these guys are kicking butt just by kicking butt and I don't know that there's another even the old grit and grind grizzlies. Okay, but prime Zack Randolph and prime Mark Gasol and prime ish and pri Mike Conley and this is this is something else entirely and it's just incredibly impressive no matter what happens in this series, they might actually win this series. If they don't, it's still one of the most impressive performances I've seen. Jaren Jackson. They don't, by the way, they don't even have a great screener when Clark is off the floor. Someone who can really kind of bend the defense suck defenders in. They just kind of make do with their split game with creative actions and all that. Jaren Jackson has stepped up last against 42 points has gotten 14 free throw attempts, warriors have what would be the worst turnover rate and the worst point of free throw rate in the league for the regular season in this series. It's just not been it's not been clean and it makes you wonder how open the west actually is. By the way, congrats to Zack climate for winning executive of the year. Did you see the photos at the NBA tweeted out of Zach kleiman for winning executive of the year? I'm laughing because yes, I did, and when I saw it yesterday, my first thought, I apologize in advance to everybody for this, but like, oh, they used to bar mitzvah photo. Well, we've got to stop this thing where everyone's holding a basketball all the time. Why is he wearing a suit holding a basketball? Why? What is he going to do? What is he going to do with the basketball? Oh yeah, I'm just me, just me, casually, toss in a basketball up and down, just be you can hear the photographer being like, just hold it, man. Be cool. Just be casual. Like, pretend you're chatting with your Friends. Just caress the ball. No, we don't need the basketball on the photo. Also, he's 33, but he looks 15 years younger than that climate has done an incredible job with the grizzlies. He flies below the radar on purpose. He doesn't do a lot publicly. He's not a household name. A lot of people, fans probably just learned that he was the lead executive of the grizzlies yesterday when he won the award, but he and his front office have done an incredible job around with both big and small decisions over the last couple of years. So congrats to Zach kleiman, apologies for my warped jokes. But yeah, no more basketballs. Like, I don't know what a GM or a team executive executive the year should be holding in that photo. Maybe it's a spreadsheet. Maybe it's a maybe it's the CBA. I don't know. I think you go all the CBA, where you're back with the things you have. I think you go old school. Sitting at your office desk, landline in your hand, cigar in your mouth, and like a glass of whisky on the table near by just go old school, go Don Draper. About the Joe dumars photo with the phone to both ears. Yeah, that one is copyrighted. We're just gonna leave that one to let's do Mars alone. Howard pulled it off. Of Sports Illustrated has a great piece this week about profanity in the NBA. Oh no. My favorite thing. Oh no. And is the host of the open floor podcast? Sorry. There's too many SI podcasts. I keep listening to all the podcasts. Howard Beck, your work is phenomenal. I love you. I'll see you soon,.

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

08:03 min | Last month

"howard beck" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"In Los Angeles. Today's guests as I senior NBA writer Howard Beck bleacher report NFL Draft analyst, Connor Rogers. Commanders defensive end, chase young. Plus, Oregon defensive end, kayvon thibodeaux, and now sitting in for ridge. It's Ryan leaf. Welcome, welcome. Welcome everybody to the rich eisen show. It is draft week, which means our faithful host, rich eisen is in Las Vegas. Yeah. Pulling his NFL network duty. That means the reliever, right arm. In a way we go. We did this a year ago if you guys recall correctly. We did the draft. Big show for us, of course. We got the NBA playoffs are right in the mix of it. Howard Beck's going to join us. He's the Sports Illustrated senior NBA writer. He'll join us in about 19 minutes or so. And then at the top of the second hour, Connor, Rogers, bleacher report draft analyst. He's going to go dive deep into what we should expect tomorrow night. Back in my day, right? It was on a Saturday and Sunday. Three rounds on Saturday, four rounds on Sunday. In my day, that's about what it is. It will be 24 years ago this year. By the way, everybody. Old man, old man river here. You can see the you can see the gray. You can see the gray and the beard here. And then in the final hour, we got a couple tremendous defensive ends, right? First one from the Washington commanders chase young is going to join us. Talk about his experience at the draft and what to expect from Washington this year. And then to close out the show, we're going to have cave on thibodaux, Oregon defensive end before the season started prohibitive favorite to be the number one overall draft pick. He slid a little bit. We'll talk to him about why that slide may have happened. And then rich is going to join us from Vegas for the last part of the show kind of let us know what's going on. I'm wondering if he's worried about getting wet. I don't know where his setup is going to be set up there. At the Bellagio fountains. I just know that at some point somebody has to go in the water. One person is going to be drafted a huge offensive lineman is going to be jubilant and over the top and when he's hugging Roger Goodell, they're both going to go in. We can only hope, right? I mean, that's what that's what TV. That's what ESPN's like. Oh God, we need that. We need that. We need someone jump into the fountain. We needed Ezekiel Elliott moment where he has his shirt rolled up so you can see his abs. Maybe guys just come walking on stage in a very Cabana like bathing suit with and they just go it. But if someone's dressed as like one of the showgirls, Mike or like face paint like the blue man. Jabbawockeez, like a mask, I want all of it. I want the full Vegas experience. I want somebody to dress up like Elvis. Elvis, Wayne Newton, the osmonds. How about, do you think there's a home? Do you think somebody gets drafted? And he's just got hundreds in his hand and he makes it rain out there. He's doing the dice move too much. I want someone to walk out with Wayne Newton after they get drafted. Have him accompany them to the party. Our siegfried and Roy, I know they're no longer with us, right? Are the tigers still available? Can we get one of them out there? Is Mike Tyson around? How about Carrot Top? Yes? Yes. Carrot Top's more jacked than most of these players. Yes. Yeah. His name's Scott Thompson, by the way, Carrot Top. Are you just ruined that for me? A ton of time when I was going to Vegas with that. Going to shows hanging out with him. One night I took my dad and my brother down after the show, we hung out with him. Of course. Yeah. Kicking it with Carrot Top? Yeah, kicking it with Carrot Top. In Vegas. That's a pretty good fantasy man. Was he jacked back then? Oh God, yes. I mean, all he had to do was wake up every morning, go down to the MGM, he stayed up in one of the high rise, like villas, penthouses, wake up, go down to the gym, get jacked, do two shows every night. Early show Late Show. Did he have a separate room for all of his props? They were all in the back there. Yeah. Any of you who don't know, Carrot Top is a prop comic. Everything he does has prop. Parts of it. It was a fun show. But I digress. Vegas is very interesting. It was a mainstay for me. First trip ever to Vegas after our 5th game of the season, well, first trip as a professional football player. I would say you had a very famous Vegas. We will get to politics later when we get into Ryan Ryan's story time about my draft experience. Rodney Harrison, my teammate with San Diego at the time. He was of course the all pro safety. We had just gotten beat by the Oakland Raiders in a incredibly difficult game. We played poorly. They played poorly, a ton of punts. We had a chance, we get beat, we are now two and three. I have lost my last three games after my two and O start. Rodney and I, he goes, let's go. Lost some steam with flight of Vegas. So we just jump on a quick flight. We go to Vegas, PJ. No. No. Either southwest or America west at the time. I really think it was southwest. I didn't know PJ's were really available to me at the time. I didn't fully understand that. I figured it out later in that cost me a lot of money. Worst investment ever is going on private jets, wherever you go. Don't do it, people don't do it. Have somebody else pay for it, then go. We fly to Vegas, and we he introduces me to his host. He has a host at the MGM Grand, while this host is there to give you whatever you want. You can ask for a marker, which is a credit line, essentially. It gave me $5000, right? So I have $5000 in chips. That's a lot of money. A lot of money. And we start gambling. And we start winning. Everything, I turn into 5000 into a $125,000 that night. Yes. There was this girl that was sitting there watching us play. She was so nervous because at one point in the night, when we had won a lot, we had all 6 spots playing at like 5000 a hand. And just rolling. And so at the end of the night, we go cash out. They pay me in cash, but they're still wrapped up in like the cellophane, the blocks. It's a block of cash. $125,000. Before 9 11, there's no security and everything like that. Yeah, you just take that on an airplane back then. Yes. I will get to that in a moment. I didn't mean to ruin it. I'll get to that in a moment. We go to bed at like, we go out and have a good time. We get to bed at like two or three in the morning. He says we got breakfast. And we're going to go get massages, Tuesday, morning. We wake up. ESPN. SportsCenter. The Chargers fire Kevin Gilbert, the head coach, my head coach for my rookie year. 5 games in. So I don't know what, I mean, we're sitting there and I don't know what to think. You know, and he's just roddy was like, okay, with it, I believe, because he didn't necessarily like coach gilbride as much as I did because he was an offensive minded coach. So now we're dealing with that. So now we go through the day and I don't know what to do and the media is reaching out and we go to get on the plane and I'm like, I brought a duffel bag pretty much a close. So we take this brick of cash and we put it in the duffle bag. And just carry it on the plane. So it goes through the security thing..

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

07:04 min | 3 months ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"More skeptical of, but and the best part about this is the idea that people around the league are theorizing this in various front offices, maybe even all coming to an independently because that Zach is the NBA to a T everyone's paranoid. Everyone thinks they're being schemed against everyone is assuming the absolute worst on behalf of all of their rivals. That is the NBA. If you root for chaos that I shouldn't say anything more about this conspiracy theory other than I like both my conspiracy theories. And I'm telling you right now anyone who's listening if this was really a long con against the nets and then that's just the Patsy in a years long scheme. I want to write the book about it in 20 years. So just remember that when you're ready to speak about your basketball crimes on the record, I'm the guy. Can we bounce around unless do you have any other parting Simmons hard and thoughts I mean, we could talk about what this means for the league and the CBA could change because of how Simmons sat out and hardens demanded a trade and this is blah blah blah is there anything else you want to get to there? New swan move on. No, nothing in particular. I do think that to the extent that Ben Simmons is kind of a mystery box in a lot of ways and has been, like, he's not a guy who's very chatty with the media. He's been dutifully participating when he's been playing in his filly years. He's always met with the media and I think he's been perfectly friendly with the media, but he's not somebody who's ever given much away. I don't feel like we know Ben Simmons are known very much about him. And this whole recent episode is so I think confusing for people now. And I'm saying that charitably because people have jumped to a lot of unfair extremes in their perceptions of Ben Simmons during this time, but like, you know, the trade demand came first. Then there was the non trade the trade that never happened, then there was the not reporting then the reporting, but not participating. All this stuff. And then eventually there's he's trying to get mentally ready, whatever that meant. And we still don't know what that meant, and it may not be any of our business. But there is this, I think, Shroud of mystery about, do we still really understand why he was not playing for the last several months for the sixers. I don't think we do. I think we all have theories about it. I think a lot of people have strong beliefs about it. There's certain they know why he wasn't playing. Some people are absolutely certain it's because he had some kind of mental health concerns that he was dealing with. And some people seemed absolutely convinced that those things are just a bogus alibi and that it was completely about embiid and Doc and the organization and all this stuff to which Ben Simmons today said for whatever it's worth, it didn't have to do with ownership, it didn't have to do with coaches, it didn't have to do with players. So there's a lot we don't know, and then there's a lot we still don't know, I think about what Ben Simmons is willing to do as a player as an established star in this league to evolve his game into fit in a different context. And those are the things we're going to learn when he finally starts playing for the nets. And I think that's the fascinating part about this is that on some level, I think this is a great trade for the nets for all the obvious reasons that I talked about in the column that you and I already know. We don't have to exhaust that again. But we still don't know how it will work out because there's a lot we don't know about how Ben Simmons is built and what his priorities are in his own game and for his career. A lot was made of Doc Rivers after the hawks debacle. Being non committal when asked convince Simmons be a championship level point guard. What that question really is, is can it be a half court championship level point guard? The sixers, since Jimmy Butler left have not had a reliable half court orchestrator on the perimeter. A guy you really give the ball to over and over. Again, that's what Hardin is for them because in the full court surrounded by shooters. Ben Simmons is magic. I mean, we know that, not Magic Johnson, but magic. Smaller magic. Although not dissimilar from Magic Johnson, really. And Doc tried to walk those comments back somewhat ridiculously. I thought months later. And insultingly, frankly. And it was reported that in lots of places that those comments hurt Ben Simmons feelings. By the way, they were hurt my feelings too. Like I'm a human being that would be crappy. It would hurt my feelings. The excitement surrounding Ben Simmons fit in Brooklyn alongside Kyrie Irving and Kevin Durant. And the excitement about will Ben Simmons can be Brooklyn's draymond green. Is confirmation that he isn't a championship level half court point guard because we need other people to do those things. And that's okay. I mean, like draymond green is kind of the point guard of the words. I guess, but you get what I'm saying. It's like Doc Rivers, that was I understand why it hurt Ben Simmons and it would hurt me. It was a totally anodyne obvious statement that at that point, it was absolutely unclear if Ben Simmons could be the point guard of a championship team. Yes. It was accurate if it was fair, I don't think it was even mean spirited and it was also it was response was I don't know, which, okay, it's not great, but it's not damning. It's not he didn't actually say his form a sentence of his own that said Ben Simmons as XYZ. He just simply answered a question with a responsive, I don't know. That's it. It was fairly vanilla. I mean, listen, I don't want to go through my 7 years of Shaq Kobe feuding, but like obviously I have been around hearing stars say far worse things about them. And their coach say worse things about both of them in the process and then Phil Jackson called Kobe and coachable in a book. And then returned to coach Kobe, the very same year. So nothing that was ever said about Ben Simmons, I thought rose to the level of needing to demand a trade or a boycott games or anything else, but that's why I say it's a complicated picture because at some point, we were then given this explanation of he's not mentally ready, and we don't know what that means. And I'm willing to say we should all give the benefit of the doubt, but it clouds this whole thing. So I still don't know you don't know, I don't think anybody knows for sure. Whether what embiid said, what Doc said would any of this stuff had in terms of its impact on Simmons and his happiness in Philly, it may be everything it may be nothing. I don't think it's nothing. Him saying it was not any of that today, Simmons saying that today. I don't fully buy. But you know, as I said, these are the things we really don't know. You called it vanilla. I do feel like vanilla underrated ice cream flavor. As a synonym for plain and boring, I don't think that's fair to vanilla. It's not vanilla. I think vanilla is delicious. All right, put it on top apple pie. That's delicious. In defense of that usage of the term vanilla, we all grew up on really crappy vanilla ice cream like the kind that was in like the Neapolitan ice cream that was the store bought like where I grew up, it would have been like Safeway brand or lucky brand even thrifty, like that vanilla was not good vanilla..

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

06:57 min | 3 months ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"You can, whatever you want to do. If you're in the Brooklyn Nets, have you gotten the value and the impact out of Kyrie Irving in the reliability out of him that you wanted. No, the answer is no. Absolutely not. And even if COVID disappears tomorrow, what is the next thing going to be? That's the question you have to ask yourself, which is why when you ask, where is he going to be next season? I can say not Brooklyn because I think there's a very strong case to be made, not Brooklyn, but I don't know where, because I don't know what team would want to take a chance on him, which then goes back to my pointless premise about trading him, who was going to trade for him. He would have at least been eligible to play for most other teams a 100% of games, not Toronto, not Golden State. But there are teams that could have used a 100% of Kyrie Irving as opposed to the nets being able to use at most 50% and trading him for an assortment of players. I thought would have been the right move. I still think is the right move had the trade not deadline not already passed. But yeah, is he opting out or opting in? Where does that put the nets? Do they, I don't know. But going into next season or going into this off season, that is a huge issue for them, I think. In addition to, we don't know what version of Ben Simmons, they're getting and what he's willing to do how much he's willing to evolve in a new setting. Just a bunch of people around the league over the last three or four days. What's even the best case scenario for the nets with Kyrie Irving, my personal opinion is the best case scenario is the opts in and I get to kick the can on this decision for another year because as far as I can see my other two choices are, I sign him to a long-term contract, which is frankly terrifying. I sign and trade him to a market that is also terrified of any kind of long-term commitment to him, or he walks, and I got nothing. So I think if I'm sure I'm Mark, I'm rooting for him to opt in and just let me kick this can for a year see how my new team looks, but to me, this is one of the bigger uncertainties about the nets going forward in this theoretical great fit is is this guy on the team, there was, you know, Howard I was watching the nets kings game last night. And this is, I feel so not bad. It's just kind of funny for nets fans who have been on top of the world for two years now since Kyrie and KD, what they're bragging about, the Knicks are in the rearview mirror. And the Knicks stink, by the way, we don't even need to talk about them, but we've passed the Knicks. We're going to be New York steam the next step. No, look at the stars we've got. Big moment for the nets. I'm watching their gaming against the king's last site. Michael Grady, they're fantastic sideline reporter. Gives us report. It's like 25 seconds long with TV graphics and everything. And the whole report is when is Kyrie Irving going to be able to play again because they have a bunch of home games and their road games are in New York at nix, can't play at Toronto, and so Michael Grady is going on this tangent of what the current international cross border landscape is for unvaccinated people and I'm sitting here thinking, I'm a nets fan just tuning in to my team's game. Want a little beer, watch my team. I'm so proud of them. We've trumped the nets. We have Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving and now we've been Simmons and what I'm really getting is a lesson in international medical politics about when my superstar player connects play again and it made me think the nets and the clippers have often been compared in the last three or four years. These teams that built from the ground up, you know, they had these wonderful cultures that punched above their weight. That was what enabled them to draw these superstar players and free agency and via trade and they did it the right way, such smart, high IQ teams, and it's like, maybe they're always just going to be the cursed second sisters of their own city. They just can't have any the clippers fall apart in the bubble and it's embarrassing and now they're kind of in a holding pattern. The nets are three games above 500 at risk of not making the playoffs and their sideline reporter has to with almost like do a PowerPoint presentation on Canadian vaccination rules. I've seen they're like, my God, what in the world has happened. It's just I got nothing. When they print their next pocket calendar or the magnet that has all the months and you have the color coded home and road games you now need three color codes for nets games, home games, road games, Kyrie games because it's no home games. It's some road games, but not all. I think at one point last week, what was the number 13 he be eligible for 13 of their final 29? It was like this awful poultry number. Yeah, it said, sad for nets fans, I do live in Brooklyn. There are probably some around, but there are still way more Nick spans. The nets fans and to your point, I've worked in obviously both markets LA in New York and it's a losing battle. I know you know bombers building a beautiful new facility in englewood or wherever it's going to be, it'll be a great new arena. I'm sure it'll be first class, all that stuff. The nets arena is great. I love going to Barclays center, but the clippers live in Lake or territory in the nets live in Nick's territory. And I just don't see how that's ever changing. Michael Grady gave that report last night, and I paused the game. And I just stared out my office window in disbelief for about 45 seconds. But this is Brooklyn Nets basketball now. This. No, I understand that Kevin Durant's hurt and Ben Simmons and played it, so there's other Brooklyn Nets basketball that's coming. But it's just this is remember when Joe Johnson said, it's not that bad here and everyone was like, that should be that should be the slogan for the nets. I don't even know what the slogan for this team would be. It's just I just feel sad for nets fancy. Like had their moment and they were on their high horse and now it's like, hold on, what's the Canadian vaccination can you go, well, how about this? Sean Marx has done a pretty bang up job since he arrived. He and Kenny Atkinson put together this team that over achieves year in year out. They get all these these hidden gems and Joe Harris and Spencer Dinwiddie and Keras the verts and Jared Allen, they build it up to the point where they're now so competitive and respectable and legit that two of the biggest stars in the league choose them and that has been the biggest mixed blessing in the history of NBA mixed blessings. I mean, not much better for the clippers due to injury, but at least it's not chaos being wrought on the franchise itself by Paul George and Kawhi Leonard stuff's happened, not everything's gone their way. But that's just been bad luck. In the next case, it's just, it's mayhem. They say, if you want to get to know a person, travel with them and the.

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

The Rich Eisen Show

07:16 min | 10 months ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Rich Eisen Show

"No one's ever turned down. The max deal that comes after your rookie contract. If you're an upcoming superstar zion williamson will not be first. He's not going to force his way out in the next couple of years. So he's in. He's getting into your three now. There will be a year four. That's also on the option. And then you're five is when you can start talking about extension and everything. He'll to take the extension off of it just like everybody does and we can talk about. Zion williamson having wandering. Is you know sometime in the year. Twenty twenty five twenty six But it's it's too soon right now. i do think. Pelicans heavy clear urgency as you always do in this league. When you get a guy who is a transcendent generational kind of player you have. The clock is ticking. Always the clock is not ticking. His loudly for a guy who's going into your three this guy going into your six or seven but the clock is always ticking and you have an obligation and a burden of responsibility to build out a competitive roster a playoff caliber team at minimum as quickly as possible and selling them on the idea that you know what you're doing and that you've got a direction and that that direction is going to give them a chance to contend for titles. And if you don't do that quickly enough incompetently enough. We see what the consequences are. And that franchise knows better than anyone. Because and it's not the current administration. It's not even the current ownership but the new orleans team formerly the hornets now. The pelicans lost chris paul. Once upon a time back in two thousand eleven and then years later loss. Anthony davis You know lebron james. Of course less. Left cleveland after his first seven years there because they couldn't break through and that was a team that had made the finals and won sixty games. So the pelicans do have a lot of work to do and they gotta do it quickly. And they're clearly moving swiftly. I mean to their credit. Yeah we could say three coaches in three years but to their credit they realize the mistake that that standing and he was not going to work for them He was not the right fit and they moved on as quickly as possible. And they saw that. Stephen adams was the wrong investment from a year ago and they moved on from him as quickly as possible. We'll see what's next howard. In five years ago on july first and be fans were blessed with the signings of timofey. Moskovsky luau dang in los angeles for one hundred fifty million dollars. We saw things. Alan crab get four. Seventy million chandler. Parsons who had a billboard. On beverly and last sienna he got ninety million signed deal in the nightclub. What's gonna be the signing. Who's going to be the guy this year that nba fans wake up on august. Second and third and go. How did that happen. Well i mean you're you're pointing to twenty sixteen was of course you're of the notorious salary caps spike this once in a lifetime. Probably occurrence that You know created way too much cap room way too many Mediocre free agents getting overpaid. I mean there's always somebody but that's summer was its own anomaly. Its own weird occurrence just because of how much taproom was suddenly available to basically thirty teams because of that cap. Spike of this is not that kind of summer. I mean guys. Mike overpaid because there just aren't enough good players in this market but there are a ton of teams with capela room to spend wildly so We'll somebody overpaid dennis schreuder. Yeah maybe Well somebody you know. Maybe go a little overboard on on maybe spencer dinwiddie. 'cause at the thing we've got this this good point guard class but like chris paul probably stays in phoenix and mike conley probably stays in utah and lowry ends up. Let's say with miami. Then what is dallas. Doing about a point guard. What does chicago doing about a point guard. What are the knicks. doing about point. guard You know that next tier is gonna end up potentially getting inflated salaries but not on the order of the you know Alan crab timofey. Moslo all think kind of kind of deals from twenty sixteen good so you mean that. Eventually the knicks will stop paying joke. Him noah. you think that'll happen in my lifetime or they'll continue to pay joachim now. Because of the summer. I looked up dredge provisions on it for joking but Yes someday joking no. We'll come off the books. Somedays josh smith will possibly come off the pistons books. There's a couple of those out there. Howard appreciate you taking the time on a very busy august. I for you my friend. Thanks for for spending some of with us. Absolutely thanks for having me appreciate you. Howard beck joins show sports illustrated can you imagine. Nba reporter survivor. like ken. languid occurs survive off the land. Would cassidy hubbert be able to build a fort. I would love to see nba journalists survivor. Which ones. I'm not trusting on the island. Ramona shelburne with a boeing our own. Who's doing all the fishing. Oh rick bucur rigged. Here's is working. On his hash. In china hunt squirrel. It'd be phenomenal. Phenomenal show ravage is going to join this phenomenal. Show talk baseball with carl. Coming up in about five minutes. It's been lions filling in for rich. This is the rich eisen. Show forger baseball game like my baseball game. Actually went baseball. Game was pretty good. But i couldn't. I didn't play in high school. I played recreational league and Babe ruth and ice pitch. What was your pitching staff was pretty good. I mean you know it was a heavy ball. Had no idea what else that was throwing but people used to say you gotta heavy ball so when you were watching you. Swing and major league has patriots. Iran is that your swing vestments. And i don't know if we ever talked about this. Okay every ball. I hit out i hit out except not as far as they shot it up because they have the reverse. The cabinet hold on a second. How many how many home runs did you hit. Hit three and in the movie right three hit every one of my head up and all the batting practice you oh yeah routinely so you the best hitter of all the actors so probably the only guy that could really pay play baseball on. Wesley was really athletic. Okay could run but Much of a hitter couldn't hit. But you could. Charlie charlie pige yard more than anybody else in the casto major league except for the the guy the baseball guys that are out there who was the worst. I will say absolutely cannot microphone. Works gordon burns. And could he corbin was okay. I think tom barrington. Was like maybe the ottoman superstitious as well are you. Are you a superstitious guy. Not not really. But i realized how superstitious baseball players that is not of that there is no doubt i mean i used to have a lot of guys come up to me so we used to play this movie.

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The Crossover NBA Show with Chris Mannix

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"When the olympics start will be the most talented team in tokyo. Hands down no question. Most talented team in tokyo with the roster that they have but this is like a five alarm fire right now howard. This loss to nigeria. I don't care if they win the rest of these pre olympic games which will take place through next sunday. This has to make you nervous if you're a fan of the team because not only is it this. The loss to nigeria. But you go back two years ago at the world championships where you had a us team. That was good. Didn't have probably better team now than they were back in two thousand nineteen but all nba players. They finished seventh. They've been seventh at the world championships. You have the seventh-place finish the loss of nigeria. How concerned are you howard beck about. Usa basketball. It's just an exhibition game. Chris oh no no. It's not just an exhibition game. Stop this team was thrown together over the last however many weeks they had what like three practices. I think i'll ever. Us team is thrown together. What are you talking about. There's no team. There's no no mid season practices for usa basketball. No but the nigerian team has been practicing. What i'm saying is some of the play in the nba though wants win the nba nba. A few of them play in the nba but that team has had time together more so than the team. Sorry brown coaching. that team. That i missed was that a facsimile of mike brown on the bench all season long. What what are we talking about. The warriors have been out for like two months kris k. Okay so two months. that's what matters. That's that's the number three three practices. Also they're still missing. I believe at least three guys because they're playing in the finals right now. Booker middleton chris paul get it. Yes not chris. Ball's not playing a holiday with the the what holland is your holiday. Those those guys will matter especially given that middleton and holiday are to the better perimeter defenders that that team. Usa has and if you look at the rest of team usa's roster. I don't see a ton of great defenders. There there are a few. I think those three guys by the way are going to be exhausted by the time they get to. They may well be. They may will be so. We're going to judge them. Judging when their whole judge when the games matter to strange to me like we don't judge nba teams based on the preseason but we judge team usa based on these exhibition games. That they do going into international competition. I feel like it's thirty. One point favorites. Why why is there betting line on a freaking exhibition better training but a little league baseball. Now country degenerates damn right. I didn't mean chris i'm with. Let's go monday. Nigeria money line. I just. I can't get too excited about this. If they lose the rest of the exhibitions does that mean something. Yeah that might be alarming if they're if they're still struggling to find some cohesion. That could be alarming. But i mean the talent is obviously their talent alone doesn't win on the international stage in style of game is different team ball matters. Shooting matters like yeah. There's a bunch of budget stuff that comes into play. But i i find the panic over this loss or at least the outcry to be a little bit much. So you don't take into account the seventh-place finish in two thousand nineteen. I mean that to me. It's the it's not just as game. The totality of it right. Like and i don't know howard like so in the early two thousands the world kind of caught up to the us ninety to ninety six thousand us. Gold maps then comes the two thousand two world championships in indianapolis and that's seven. The place finish was one of the worst worst outcomes in at least recent usa history. They got it together after that. They hired jerry colangelo. They bringing mike chef ski. They get their act together. Two thousand six two thousand eight then. They run off. Three consecutive years are three consecutive cycles of gold. Medals is argon. Made that like the world's caught up again that somewhere along the way and the last four or five years. The rest of the world has once again caught up usa basketball. I'm trying to understand this. I mean that's close games in those olympics cycles. No question about it. But i can't imagine the oh eight. Twelve or sixteen team losing nigeria. I can't exhibition or otherwise. I can't see it happening. No team and the and the one that followed it were built around like lebron koby. Carmelo enjoying wait. I mean that that groups at another level like as good as this group is that we're seeing right now as talented as they are after k. D. tatum's really good damian. Lillard is great. I mean come arbit- tatum. Bill lillard auto bio levin. Draymond dream ends up there in years but one has won some things. Jeremy grant jeremy grant zach living out of like. These are guys who have done anything in the nba yet. But they're all stars most they're they're also but are they to level of lebron kobe now but do you think is that what you're saying then is that what you're saying to be at the level you need to have like i'm saying the crop to win. I'm saying that if we're going to start comparing the twenty twenty one team to the twenty eight a two thousand eight two thousand twelve teams there is. There is not an equivalent right now. Lebron kobe laurent cobaine weight. And plus what we what. We called olympic. Mellow like carmelo. Didn't have the success in the nba. That some of his teammates did but carmelo in terms of talent level and certainly has resume like that group was at a whole other level. That group is a different level than jason. Tatum bam outta bios. Zach levine. Okay so not saying that you necessarily should have to have that level of time firepower to win an exhibition game against nigeria. Or anybody else. But i am saying comparing usa to itself different iterations of team usa. This one is not that one. This is not as dominant group as the ones we saw in eight and two thousand twelve. It just isn't what do you do like. What's the solution here. Like i mean i jerry. Colangelo deserves an enormous amount of credit for rebuilding that program when it was at. Its nadir mitra chefs. He comes in enormous amount of credit for what they did. But as we sit here in twenty twenty one like it's almost to me howard like the usa basketball rebuilding. The program became cool. Like lebron wanted to do it. Chris paul like dwayne wade. These guys wanted to do it and then they did it. And i think playing for usa basketball didn't become quite as cool as it was fifteen years ago. Like is that what has to happen like does not need to have like a fifth place finish in tokyo for all of a sudden the next generation of a-list stars wherever that may be in two thousand twenty four to come back into the mix and is that the only way this team can win. I mean i think we need to pay attention to the overall context like obviously one. These olympics were supposed to happen a year ago. They're delayed a year because of covid got durant out of it though like that right. It's questionable whether these the olympic should be happening at all still but along the way because of these back to back brutal seasons and everything else like team. Usa doesn't have james harden right now. Doesn't have anthony davis because of the injury doesn't have steph curry doesn't have kyrie irving doesn't have lebron kawai again. If your argument is that the second or third tier it sounds like sounds like insulting. Somehow but if you're saying that the next wave believe after those guys should still be good enough to dominate on the world stage. Maybe but if the point is that the team as best are they still. Are they still able to win. Gold fairly easily. Your probably but a bunch of them aren't on this team right now because of injuries and just the stress of the last year or two so this this is not necessarily representative of the best of the best right now. It just isn't and yes. They should still be good enough to win. Yes the world has caught up to some extent. No the the group that at nigeria's put it put out there last week. Does not leap off the page improbably. Us should've still want it. But again i exhibition game after like three practices. Let's see what happens with the rest of this. This schedule out brought mellow back. I mean he's not what he was four years ago. Eight years ago twelve years ago but the guy knows how to play international basketball. He might have sat. maybe. I guess. I didn't really. I assume that he just want to keep. He didn't kind of like four formerly re retire from the olympics. But it'd be pretty much says like i'm done like lebron kinda did to get talked into it. I feel like. I don't know if i was if i was the usa team would try really hard to get carmelo blake because his style. Whatever it is to the nba is perfect for the national basketball. He's a really good or national basketball player. On this subject damian lillard. He spoke for the first time. Since the hiring of chauncey billips. Only listen to what little had to say about his future in portland. I'm prepared to go in and do my job every year. Like hopefully we make strides over direction and could become a better team a new coach notice. That's where i am. What soured it sounds like. Lillard is at least nominally on board with going back to the blazers. But if i'm a team out there with assets. I don't listen to that response and say well it's over damian. Lillard is back on the same page with the portland trailblazers. If i'm a team with assets i hold onto those assets because it feels to me like the blazers might be one like sixteen to start from blowing that whole thing up with louis mccollum on the way out the door so get the sense now. That seems more likely than not that damian lillard at blazers training camp. He's in ablaze uniform. He starts the season with the portland trailblazers. But if it doesn't work with chauncey billips early and you get close that trade deadline. It wouldn't surprise me at all to see portland decide. Look we've got a. We've got to do something here and opened the door for damian lillard trade. What do you think. I think that nothing has changed. I think that his remarks last week because he sounded a little bit lukewarm. Or just you know you hear one of two things. Well you want to hear one thing if you're a portland trail blazers fan or if you're just looking for any indication that lillard is all in your you want to hear him say listen. I know things are rough right now. But i'm all in you know this is. This is where. I want to be you to repeat all the usual talking points that you hear from players in his position and that we've heard from bradley beal that we used to hear from james harden houston. Which is a win in phil in city fill in the blank with the city. I want to win here. I don't wanna go somewhere else. You know we're going to get this right blah blah. He didn't go down the usual list. And so i think it left open. Some interpretation but getting has changed like the disappointment was clear when the season ended. Some of the things have happened since including obviously the the the train wreck away they went about the the coaching search and lillard. Being caught in the crossfire. There at feeling heat from fans about chauncey billips being selected and so. I don't think we should expect he's going to be rah. Rah right now The trailblazers have a lot of work to do. But we also have not even hit the summer yet. Like there's the draft hasn't happened yet. Free agency hasn't happened yet. There's there's a lot of work to be done. And i think if you're damian lillard which you're probably doing is internally saying here's what i need to see happen externally saying you know what let's let's wait and see i mean you see. He can't he can't say publicly the same things that he's telling say neal o'shea right about what the the state of the roster i i would think that there are some very impassioned debates or discussions being held behind closed doors about what they need to get this thing right and if they can't get it right the he might shift is his stance about staying there long term. But that hasn't happened yet that we know of. What do you think the most interesting potential conversation is amongst players over these next four weeks like i'm kind of curious what jason tatum bradley beal talk about. Tatum and beal close friends dating back to their highschool days both went to the same high school bill with something of a mentor to jason. Tatum actually got him involved with his trainer. Drew hanlin which helped. Tatum elevate his his personal skills and they've talked about how happy they are to be playing together. Played the all star game together for the first time beal last year of his contract. Like you know we've seen these conversations yield real tangible conversation. You'd like to be a fly on the wall on for any of these guys in the next couple of weeks. Yeah i mean look we. We have a history now going back over a decade. If we're to believe that the that the heels were formed in part through team usa activities. You know which is true which is true. That's that's yielded an extra things guy. You know guys who you mentioned. Tatum and bill because they were already friends but guys also become friends through this experience right and then they start getting the ideas about playing together. Like oh hey. This is a lot of fun. Let's do this again in the nba. So there's i'm i'm sure some of that is is happening. It always does. Who else in that group. I mean man. If any of these guys that'd be trying to recruit bam out a bio but he's too early in his in his contract with miami to pry him loose from there And you know the heater still a pretty potent team but you know jimmy butler is up there in miles and outta bios future won't necessarily be there forever. That's the way it goes in the nba. I think tatum has the potential to be like the biggest recruiter. They're like he's about to start the first year of his max level extension. He can recruit bill. But like you can also does damian lillard like. It's great to play in boston. I love it here. Answer some questions of my have a playing on the east coast for the first time. Like i think data might be boston's best asset at this point. Yeah again some of this comes down to bradley. Beal's coming up to that point where he has the leverage to task out because of his contract lillard under contract for several more years and so he's not in that position. So what if it says. Like i need to go like. I don't foresee the blazers being no finish your contract. Just don't see it. i think right. And they would work with him on a deal to sure but directing it is harder so beal can use the leverage of his free agency to say well if you send me to team x. I'm not gonna resign there. Which then blows up that deal and he can direct himself to the team he really wants to be at lillard would have a harder time to doing that. Because he doesn't have free agency looming two to play that card. Yeah well i encourage any reporter. That's in tokyo tatum. Beal and lillard talking to each other. Just take a picture and then let the internet go wild crazy because it will unquestionably last thing for you. Howard the breaking news. This week in the coaching ranks. Is that jamal moseley is headed to orlando moseley of course last with dallas. A really well respected assistant coach there. Who was a candidate for that. Maverick job before. It went to jason kidd my immediate reaction to that higher howard beyond i think being an excellent choice for orlando is that we're gonna look at at moseley and jason kidd on parallel tracks. The next couple of years moseley. There was a strong case to be made that he should have been elevated to that head. Coaching job he'd been considered for other head coaching jobs. Before most recently in new york he had by all accounts a great relationship with luka doncic i understand bringing kit in he's got a history with dallas and as riccar lau said publicly having a player that played the game like kid and having a player that plays the game like don-shik make some sense to pair those two guys together. But there's always going to be as i watched these two situations unfold. I'm gonna wonder you know. Did the mavericks make the right choice. Leading jamaa moseley go and bringing jason kidd in and there's so many variables in this the first being at orlando's in step one or maybe even steps zero of a massive rebuild right there in the negatives right now. I think there's still maybe more fat to trim on that roster before they really bottom out. Yeah and you know you talk about trying to build around. You know markelle foltz. And and jonathan isaac jonathan isaac for so long. They're getting hurt and he's a great player but they've loved writing in a weird way john stays healthy. He's still more of a complementary store right like he's he's a potentially defensive player of the year at some point. He's not a guy who you're building an offense around though and marquel foltz okay. He he got himself back on track in orlando. He has a career now where he didn't have one but he's not a foundational building block. Come on like that's crazy so the roster doesn't have much talent jamal. Moseley's is coming into a situation. Which a lot of first time head coach is committed to which is all right. There's a lot of work to do so You're gonna have to do a lot of development. You're going to have to take a lotta lumps in the win loss column. It's gonna be rough going for the first year or two or maybe three. Let's see how they can get things going. But you know as it has been a certain other like kenny. Atkinson came to look a completely hopeless situation in brooklyn but was known as development coach in atlanta. And sure enough. Everybody who went there. Joe harris spencer. Dinwiddie jared allen versus lower. First round picks. Guys who were you know whether they were reclamation projects whether they were low picks everybody seems to get better the second they went to brooklyn and play kenny atkinson and his staff congenial. Moseley have the kind of effect in orlando can the front office. Get him to kind of guys. That will thrive in that in that kind of environment and carve out careers from cells and carbon identities. Jamal moseley has a lot going for him. And we've heard like many great things about it but we often hear great things about assistant coaches who don't end up panning out so i always. We have to caution ourselves on these things. Because i thought. Brian shaw was gonna be a great head coach and he was. Everybody loved him all the players sung as praises when he was associate head coach under frank. Vogel indiana he goes to denver probably just the wrong guy at the wrong time but he hasn't had another shot since then but that went really badly. Brett brown was really great in in some respects for the for the early years of the process and then suddenly. It seemed like they'd hit some sort of ceiling. Eager kokoschka of had been talked about for years is a great assistant. Coach didn't work out. Swells head coach in phoenix. David dale bumpy ride in memphis and then disastrous in new york. We just don't know like luke walton. Another example like there are plenty of coaches who as their when their assistance. We hear and see the best of them and then you know some of them be go on it and have great success coaches. I mean tyler has been fantastic. Mike malone has been fantastic money williams. Nick nurse dwayne casey a lotta longtime assistance. Get their shot and then you know it. It works out in a dozen. It's all contextual. It's all just the opportunity you have the thing for dallas is. They went with a guy who has experienced jason kit. That experience was not necessarily good experience. Like i think most people around the would look at what he did in milwaukee in brooklyn and say. I'm going to steer clear. Maybe you'd rather have the the unproven. Jamal moseley versus the somewhat proven jason kidd but. I don't think we'll know what the right choice was there for a while yet. Because it's it's gonna take some time before we can evaluate moseley as head coach. I maybe jason kidd learned something in two years as an assistant. I mean that happens. You know working with lebron for entire for two entire seasons working under frank vogel maybe picked up some things that'll be useful to him as a head coach. Moseley to me. The key is giving him time. Like you've got to be committed to moseley for a minimum. I think of three years and more likely five years. And then you see what you have in head coach. You mentioned gore. I mean it's worked out for phoenix. Absolutely but i do think he got hosed out there i mean he only had one year on the job and that year was without deandra aiden chris. Paul had devon booker of course but that was not a good team that he was coaching. There i gotta get moses the because you want to see what the guy can do when you put that team in a position to win a great example to me is james breglio in charlotte. I mean berea. Was one of those guys assistant coach elevated to head coaching position in charlotte. Not great first couple of years there but when he was given players and chance to win he did pretty well. I mean up until lamelo ball went out the horns were really good team and i think they will be a good team. Going forward in part because of the borrego is a pretty good coach. I want to see this magic team. Invest heavily in jamal. The you're the guy developed these guys and we'll keep you around no matter what the won loss record says until you get a chance to win then you judge like brett brown six or seven days since brett brown left but i can see the for letting go of brett brown. I mean they had a talented team and to a degree the underachieved. But you've got to let the coach get a roster on that level before you really make any decisions about whether they can coach. Yeah well and that's the thing about. This is what set up says apart. I think the good organizations from the bad ones is that you you decide when you choose a guy. Especially if he's a longtime assistant not a guy with head coaching experience. And you've said we believe in this guy. This is somebody who's got a great trekker record as an assistant. We're going to first opportunity. It's your obligation to when you say investment. Yeah it's time investment. It's a give them all the tools to succeed. Give him the time to succeed. You've decided you believe in him. So stand behind that have the conviction to stand behind that and take some bumps along the way you know maybe maybe memphis and or the knicks should have stuck with david physed longer. You know we had heard nothing but great things about fiscal coming out of miami. Initially we may yet you know. Find out that he. He can be great head coach in the right situation. Maybe those worth rights situations. He might be one of those guys though. I love physios and assist one of those guys. Though the just the temperament is always important. Like the government like memphis yet. Some battles with market assault didn't work out your plus new york. You just might be one of those guys that doesn't have the right temperament to be is based on what we've seen a memphis in new york might be better suited for these ranks but if he succeeds in l. a. I think he'll get another chance right. Maybe i think the point being though that if you as an organization have identified a guy instead he we believe in him then. Okay then believe in him. Stick with them and make sure you've given them enough tools to succeed Is it a pulling the plug at the first sign of of struggle and that's what happens in the nba. too often. is that seems panic. You know the fans turn. There's some minor flare up. Oh the coach and player got into it. Whatever it may good teams that can happen on as well. And it's it's just. It's the way franchises. React so you have to know whether or not the guy is is is right and then stick with them. And so yeah. Let's jomo's should get a nice long here. She got a ton of latitude in orlando given where they are as an organization given the state of that roster. Yeah i agree. Howard enjoy milwaukee looking forward to hearing the conversation with the lazarus on friday. You can check podcast. Right here on the crossover feet again. Make sure you listen to howard's interview. Spencer dinwiddie from last week. It was really really strong. Enjoy -joy the mid west our. We'll talk when you're back on the northeast always a pleasure. My friend the newest player in the pre nba basketball landscape is overtime. Elite elite will begin playing sometime in the fall. And we'll be headlined by some of the top now. Former high school players in the country players would be paid minimum one hundred thousand dollars with some making north of that and have access to high level facilities training as well as educational programs to help. Get a better grasp on that. I'm joined by brandon williams the head of basketball operations for overtime. Elite and kevin ollie the former. Nba guard uconn. Coach was the head coach and director of player development bread. And i want to start here with you. Just kind of give me the ten thousand foot view overtime elite. What are the objectives. What what what was behind the formation of this league. I think any of us. Chris who've been around for a long time i've actually seen Sort of the downside of young players who entered into professional ranks to this point. It's been the nba Who are not ready. And so what does that mean you know not not ready to form and be stars or is it just not ready to be great teammates or is it not ready to be good partners. is sort of all that you know the idea that the work day is much longer than they know. And that there's more responsibility to be in a professional athlete The responsibilities to families and communities we just have to do a better job preparing them and here was an opportunity to be part of a program that wanted to address all that. It's not just about being a good player. It's like we wanna address the whole athlete. Hope so on. Three levels were hitting basketball. Easiest thing understand. I think businesses in our world is education And then there's brand you know. These young people now are moving at a speed that we aren't as older folks and they want to build things An earlier age particularly off the court so building a brand is important something that can last well beyond their tread on tire so we're hitting it in basketball business brand. That's that's that's really thirty thousand foot view. Kevin what attracted you to this job. Just like his dad is the whole person being able coach them from a mind body and soul Experience and understanding the mindfulness athlete I've seen it from a pro level. Got up tune into play thirteen years with twelve different teams so i understand like the different trials and tribulations you go through with a player not saying that these players are gonna go through that but is getting them more prepared if they do come into some certain situations where it's not typically going the right way. How can they manage that situation. So what they do today can echo into tomorrow and having the ability to kana paint on a black blank. Canvas is what a really attracted to me to to this you know. Ot league program we can take the player really shape the curriculum you not with teaching them about subjects. But we're really teaching them about themselves as well from media training From mental health issues. All the different things that come involved because we all know chris is stress. You know from success is a lot of pressures is a lot of people pulling at you. It's a lot of people won't certain things. But how do you deal with that from a player's standpoint where you can play when you get on the basketball court and half clear and not be caught up in the distractions of off the court issues. Um as desks desks were really kind of vocal. Spirit to give back in it and how these kids you know. Have these players be available at the moment of truth to make the right decisions and that was very important to me. Kevin as you mentioned you played in the nba brand. You played in the nba. As well i wanna ask both of you guys and kevin. I'll start with you like if this was available to you as sixteen. seventeen year. Old looking back. Would you have founded attractive with a definitely founded attractive You know i kind of thought the box anyway. I was from chris. Shaw from from from south central and i chose connecticut. So you places that. I didn't even know nothing about growing up. You always thought out the box and never wanted to go down a path that everybody was going down So i was always curious. And i think that's how my mom especially my mom. My dad raised me. So i definitely been curious of this situation. No no speaking now without you know took it. I'm not sure. But i think it really gave me another option to look at it and this is what we're trying to do not saying that the ncaa is wrong overtime. Leaders wrong or right. It's not about that. It's about if you really care about the student. Athletes you give them as much options as possible. And i think this gives the lee student athlete. Another option and i think you know it's a very Great option for them to have and if they choose overtime league we're going to give our whole heart to make sure they're developed on and off the basketball court chris i- jumping after coach It would have been interesting. Chris but i certainly would not have been a candidate i would. Let's just get that right. What what things that's important. We sit down going through just grassroots community and we spent months just talking to people educating about. You know what we're about who we are. Each of us has a reputation in some other space. Not here The this program isn't for everybody is not the right fit for everybody. We are cherry picking and a lot of ways. These are players that feel like they are destined for professional basketball. There are a lot of sixteen year olds. That don't know that yet and their parents aren't convinced that yet in people that support them. Don't don't feel that confidence yet. They may be another year away or two years away but this is not. This is not the right path for everyone. Twenty four athletes roughly twelve per class. We're looking at juniors and seniors and the truth is at this age. What was really funny about scouting them is everybody's skinny and like a lanky and underdeveloped and still has like a mountain of upside to you know to to get through before you can really see who they're going to be but you know if you have a young player like brand williams who's just dreaming of being an nba player but does not much certainty. That's even realistic We gotta be very careful about this approach In taking because there there are risks but for those that that have already established in this deke. They've established a day of separated from their class. You know jaylen. Lewis has an example the most recent example. He's he's he's elevated in separate. The draft isn't tomorrow though so there's still a lot of work to do but he's already in front running physician and it gives everyone low confidence that this is the kind of investment and the kind of pet that would make a ton of sense for players like that. Let me follow up on that brandon. Because you're you're entering. What suddenly become a fairly crowded space in terms of leagues like this. You know the g. league ignite is one season in but they've had a measure of success. We've seen jalen green probably a top pick. Jonathan kamenga top five or six. Then you have the ncw with this. Recent ruling allowing top players to make money off their name image and likeness. How does how does the elite separate itself from that group. Why think i is. We start a little bit sooner so the g. league zone a great job with what we call it a year the prep year that year. That a recent graduates would be going to college and they've already been hacking the system you know going to italy or china So so there's a market for those players and we want an alternative to college for for for us though. Our players are seeking an alternative to high school so we are a school but we think about the resources that were bringing to the table first of which being an nba like environment You know start coach. Ali coach lehto in a robust set of staff. I mean scouting staff a high performance staff administrative team. Our goal was to simulate an nba organization for for young athletes at sixteen seventeen eighteen. Th there there is no other environment. Like that. And i think the big way that we separate with high school athletes Is that both domestically and internationally. We're able to put twenty four of them together in a building. So what we're selling is the best competition for these guys starts at home. I mean every day in line coaches don't minister drills administer competition aspects of practice and getting ready for games but when you look to the right and left and i noticed as a player. There's no weak link. I mean everywhere you look. There's somebody that's doing what you're doing and possibly doing more. Because they they are not just dreamed about the into the league or to the high level. They're on their way there That's where we've been able to. I think create a little separation from others that have tried or looked at something. Like this kevin. How do you approach this job. Do you do it in a similar mindset and you had at uconn where you have young players you also you know yukon. You had to keep them academically eligible you to follow that pretty closely. I mean is there is it a similar mindset or do you take a different tact. I think you just let it be you know. Similar is not. It's just whatever comes you say yes to it and you cultivate hope from it I never coached high school players. They was always you know graduated from high school. And now they're freshman's This situation is a little different in in was recruiting for two to three years. This situation is a little different. But you know from me. Chris i love the unknown about it. And that's the space i live in. Not just wanna make sure that. I have the space incorporate something in these players that they can just think about it can build from a have a foundation so when they make the transition they have every tool in the toolbox to say okay. Oh that's a problem Assess it let me be able to correct it. Let me obsessed. Let me be aware of it and i think that's the difference between you know coaching a high school kid in in the college. Kid i mean you get able to mold them a little bit better and then you have to understand where they at. Now you know back then. I didn't have social media. We didn't have social media now. These kids these players are building their brand a little bit earlier and now you just meet them where they are. And i can't wait to get them up on campus get them up until atlanta just continue to build a great relationship. Welcome spend time with the one on one in. This situation is going to provide us to do a lot more skill development that i didn't have a really good opportunity and it had not one say good opportunity. I didn't have the best opportunity. Because there's so many things we own a row recruiting You own a row fundraising these different things. Brandon's taken care of in. Dan porter is taken care of. I can just really coach the player and work on his skill development on and off the basketball court. So it's really given me my own lane. So i can really perform my job. Mama job is really breaking down and relationships it starts. Relationship is start with trust. Stars will hold is spending time with the the young student athletes on and off the basketball court and pushed them to greatness and the competition is not on. our side of competition is with him. You know can you beat your previous best bestself. Can you be better than today you know. Can you be better tomorrow than you were date. And that's what i'm coaching. And that's what i love to do. And i think we're going to have some great young man as open as biden has going to be vulnerable going to try to reach for the sky. In the sky is going to be ob- you is not going to be limits. I can't wait to get up to atlanta. We've been having some many camps. Chris has been wonderful to get back on the court with the guys. And i'm looking forward to the next mini camp and dan looking forward to getting them up to atlanta. So we really can go to work. You know when. I was was talking to brian. shaw a couple of months ago. Kevin about how he was coaching. The ignite you know it was a lot of pro stop. He was trying to bring to that team. Are you taking that same. Approach you trying to coach them like their nba players or something different. No it's nothing different is just. I'm building pro. Habits in every situation is going to be different. Chris this is going to be some guys. Come in you know. Say for instance like a. John montero will we got him and he you know is a little bit more advanced than some other players because he's been a pro- already and then it's going to be another situation where we gotta talented guy might not be able to get quick but these opportunities we can go at our own pace we can sit down and talk to them but we're really teaching and building pro habits and those habits is going to translate over to them being great pros when that opportunity come invest in the nba are the euro league so every day you know we are building like a practice plan like more of a college practice plan nba practice bandwidth doing drills. That i got from my numerous stops in the nba. You know we're doing sets in the nba. Then we gotta understand that sixteen years old as well you know and maybe sometimes you gotta you know kinda doubt it down a little bit. But i'm gonna let com. I'm going to let that go. i'm not going to focus on one of it. I'm not gonna say oh. We're doing this process. Each and every day every day is different. And that's what i love about the unknown. And i'm gonna treat it like that and we just gonna continue to bill because i think we got great mas and organization that really want to coach the whole person. And that's what i'm really excited about. You decided to upgrade your outdoor deck. So you ordered the essentials. Power washer said a patio chairs and a shiny new grill. And you use your bank of america. Customized cash rewards credit card choosing to earn three percent cashback online shopping and up to five point. 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Divers inventors patent and unleash economic opportunity. Find out at invent together dot org learn more and take action today brandon not to continue to compare this team to the ignite but when i talked to sharieff abderrahim about that i mean. I had asked him about the sustainability of that team. Given how much. Money was being poured in to pay some of the players. And he bobbed and weaved floyd mayweather trying to answer that question. Because it's it's hard to commit to it without say a television contract more sponsorships and things like that when you can you speak to kind of the sustainability of this because we've seen startups with an influx of cash. Get get in big the first year. But then peter out. I mean what needs to happen. Four overtime elite to become a long term successful program while has got to answers. I think you know a concept. I mean we're we're selling on the ability to develop young players and have a more more pro ready right. So this is. This is the path we are offering basketball development. Call it professional Business development And we are also like leveraging. What is an incredible media platform that again. The things that we like to call a distinguishing factors. That's a huge one. So not to bob and weave one. We gotta be good ass. You know that. That's how have long deputy spurs the spurs. They were good for really long time. And so we've got the that there were good at this note. No pressure on kale right The the the second piece though is you know and this comes from my my time in the nba. It just wasn't that long ago where it out of chicago. Pre-draft combine interview. If i said. I wanna build my brand. Everybody in the room was like smirking and like you know what. What are we talking about like. It's about basketball basketball basketball And you know if you are young team developing and not winning a lot of games truth is you can't sell just basketball because your basketball isn't great you got to sell personalities and stories in that there's something that people can invest in in fall in love with other than like the final score like otherwise. The sixers had no chance right any any development team yet to buy into a story and for us. I think we have a chance to create stories but we get a chance to show those stories because we have a platform. So it's it doesn't take much. I mean i'm not a social media guru. But when i got recruited for this job haven't been around the block a little bit certainly from an nba perspective. I heard a couple of things. I really got my attention. One was fifty million followers That's eyeballs and we all know that that Business follows the eyeballs in whatever in whatever respect. The other was which is unfair. Because i think that number changes month over month but it started at one point four and not set maybe one point eight or one point nine billion with a b. billion views of content a month that overtime in some ways has found a way to the heart. The mind of young people It is being communicated and solid as you know the generation z. sort media and content engine We are doing an amazing thing here which is developing young talent in a pure way that we want to make sure that they are prepared. Top to bottom to do well on the court to do well and communities to do well in business but then there's this other thing which is they want to be known like. No player wants to play in an empty building. Everybody wants to play where it matters. They wanna play. When nick can rock and like the building and just like recognizing their talent. We're just artists. And one thing that is kind of showcase. By one event that that overtime overtime the media company producing s called. You see it on youtube to. Is that over. Hundred million people watched that. I mean that that's not an insignificant number that players that are going to play overtime. Lee will have the opportunity to be known The the opportunity of bring brick big brands to the table and support this platform If not already indicated by the kinds of investors that that have shown interest but the brands that are coming to the table our sustainability is going to be showing value delivering value to not just the athletes but to overtime visibility. I would imagine great for them but can you monetize it. Can you make it so this league is in the black or does it need to be in the black every year. Well my the good news is as a basketball man. No different than a different than the is Get a budget. My job is to be fishing and and spend wisely. I i'm not. I'm not asked to sell tickets or generate revenue that's for a tremendous And in successful a business operations Our job is to make sure that what we are delivering is high is a high level product That you see the growth and development of our young players. What's there recruited. We gotta make them better. They need to be able to perform and probably the best testament of our success is going to be our nba. Gm voting with this pick right but with a coach saying like they did a nice job. This guy was. Well coached testament to takeo and the rest of the coaching staff. That if we're doing that will prove successful. Because guess what the next crop of recruits when we're in the gym like we're not chasing them. There's sort of meeting us at at minimum half way. We need to keep bringing high level taliban and developing talent to prove successful and i have a tremendous set of partners across academics and across content media. That will will do their part to elevate our business. Can you expecting to tap into some of your. nba relationships. I mean as you mentioned thirteen teams in twelve seasons. You've made a lot of friends over the years. We're going to see like san preston sitting in the crowd for your practices as a whole so sam and so many gyms that i know you know Kevin durant and all these guys are destinies in overtime. Just having them be around. We had our first minicamp. Ray allen showed up and not only showed up. He brought his son to work out with guys. Just it was just amazing. does just see how the branches that we can continue to pull up on and they continue to pull on us and be a partnership in. This thing is going to be great. Are you expecting to have kind of drop ins. Durant's involved with the league. You expecting these guys. Just be around. Which i would imagine would be both a resource for you but also an attractive quality to this league definitely. Definitely we going to build a place where it's going to be hopefully a development premier development destination for everybody and you know hopefully katie can come out and work out with guys and russell westbrook and james harden and all these guys that we know and i know i had opportunity to be evolved. Then it's kinda beat a veteran guys We want them to be around. Because it's not. Just me sean. It's also watching tape like these are the different drills and look how k. d. and look how chris paul is using the pick and rolls and now they're showing up that's a that's a big big bang for us with us growing these young talented student athletes To get them inspired to the next level and they're doing a great job done only gonna do. I coached him. Chris a coach me on a day to day basis. I'm open to that and we just really want to have a love affair with guys and and the end of the day chris. We want appease the basketball guys. We wanna play the right way. We want to share a basketball. We wanna run. We wanna have fun. We want how to join the game but it can't just be me me me. It has to be weak. And i'm wanting to teach guys how to be involved in any system they get drafted about. They can be a part of a productive system and be a productive partner in in the community as well no matter what city they when they arrive to the nba brandon. Before let you go. What schedule gonna look like i mean is this team playing. Just walk me through kind of what these kids are getting into. And what kind of schedule you gonna be able to put together so schedule that that is really interesting for everybody. And i wanna try to illuminate. But i've got to be careful we are still contracting with some teams But for the audience the think about it in buckets. We're gonna play independent prep schools. That's going to be a significant part of our schedule. We are a high school so we are looking to schedule. Some of the top independence that you would typically no to have a national schedule can travel that have the ability to be mobile. We're scheduling home and away with with With those folks and it looks like net set as an example It looks like you know. Folks that are playing for a national title Arizona florida california. So it'll be a widespread travel schedule for us. We're also looking at European competition so think about junior euroleague as an example. Some of the best clubs the Insects as an example Where we can get a collection of sixteen to nineteen year old elite talent to compete against us. And then as i mentioned earlier on the show we really feel like the best competition is gonna come internally and that's where our league play Comes into effect so we are looking at our group of twenty four as three teams of eight. There will be standings you'll be able to track will compete against each other. That'll be a significant part of our schedule as well. We don't want to overstep our guys one of the things. We really wanna correct leading science. Guide us here. is is minimized the wear and tear. Nobody's while still developing and preparing for a professional level place so a schedule of maybe thirty five. To forty games is our target. We started september Training camp will will begin Play by mid august. We'll be done by by Late march is how we see our schedule shaping up i'm looking forward to it brennan kevin. It's a really interesting concept and hope you guys have a lot of success with an. I'll certainly be watching a lot of. Nba people will be watching but brandon. Stay out of a set of massachusetts. Kevin has like some basketball. Ptsd from all those bc. Matchups i'm sure would probably were so tough. I don't remember kevin. It's not real like talk about it. But lita past. We'd be six thousand. That's not very nice. That's hovering kevin brand. Thanks for joining me. I appreciate it all right. Thank you chris. Thanks so much.

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Kevin Durant reveals when he knew he'd leave Warriors after last year

The Rich Eisen Show

02:02 min | 2 years ago

Kevin Durant reveals when he knew he'd leave Warriors after last year

"Lot of these trades. Aides are confusing and Diangelo Russel. This is his fourth team now. and He's twenty three he's eight dynamite all star and so he kinda got thrown into the mix. Because if you're the if you're the the the warriors and you could get him in the process of losing durant you do that a hundred times out of one hundred. It's just the question. Is that if I told you at the time right that when they were losing him you know when they were losing durant and gaining him that it would turn into Andrew Wiggins and a top three protected first round pick. I think we would have said at the point in time. Okay I got it because you're already seeing the first blush results on NBA NBA twitter. That he's kind of playing the role of Harrison Barnes and the first championship run remember Harrison Barnes was the crucial member of that was and that wiggins is going to play that role. Livingston's not there anymore right so so he would be that guy. And if you're Steve Kerr you're like I can. Let's get to this guy if I'm coaching up. Three million green and his personality Wiggins of former number one overall here comes wiggins. I'm thinking he's thinking that and is now just think about it. Think about it next year. Are they open up in that beautiful jewel up in San Francisco. It's all filled up right and Curry Klay. Draymond Andrew Wiggins and number five stroll on the floor and number five could be the first overall selection in the draft left or the fourth overall selection in the draft. They could have all those guys showing up there next year and have the first and fourth overall picks in the draft tiredly possible

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'They are human beings': Cummings to acting DHS chief over migrant detention facilities

Erin Burnett OutFront

04:28 min | 3 years ago

'They are human beings': Cummings to acting DHS chief over migrant detention facilities

"We'll Joe Biden. Get better prepared this time around the face offs coming up. Hey Howard Beck and

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Looking Back: Toronto Raptors Win Game 6 in NBA Finals

CBS Sports Radio

04:47 min | 3 years ago

Looking Back: Toronto Raptors Win Game 6 in NBA Finals

"So now we're past the NBA finals. Congratulations. At around raptors there, the champions of the basketball world. Now, the real fun begins involving that team Golden State Indian BA. Let's bring on Howard Beck was a terrific, terrific senior NBA writer for Bleacher report. He said, thanks to shell Pennzoil performance line. I'm going to go back to the finals Toronto Winston six. What word or words would use to describe that series? And what we all experienced and what we also with all due respect to the raptors 'cause they don't want their championship. I don't use the tip of their, their championship because their championship deserves all the plot. It's all the praise that, that they've earned that you're asking me just to describe the series weird. I mean. You know, and that was from the beginning, by the way, we roll back to clock McAllister a couple of weeks here. I said, even we're going into the series that this was going to be possibly the strangest or these the most unique final. Dive of are covered up covered eighteen or nineteen of them now. And the reason is we've never had a final start where the superstar each team was both in both cases possibly leaving. Kawhi Leonard, Kevin Durant that was unprecedented tone that these guys were so much in play remain. So, but then bigger than that was just the, the fact that Kevin Durant was not starting the series but was not necessarily out either. He was this spectre looming over the whole thing. And so even as the raptors one game one even as the warriors sweet out game to the real question was not. Well, how's it going, how matchups going to go? What's the moves and counter moves? And who's the better team? It was no Wayne is Kevin Durant coming back. And if he does that change the entire complexion of the series, and that alone made this series this finals, absolutely unique, and then all the other layers on top of it, the intrigue over, what he comes back the frustrations that have been reported about the with the warriors team. It's about not knowing when he was gonna come back is coming back Klay. Thompson misses a game on looney misses the game. Dread does come back. And of course goes down with that terrible achilles. And they somehow manage to, to be a game in a game six where they could have extended this thing. And Klay Thompson goes down with the ACO. We've just never ever ever seen anything quite like this NBA finals. I'm always a big believer that even if it's something is not a positive even if it's a negative is going to help sell it's going to get a lot of attention. How much do you think with all that going on really not only help the NBA, but further the NBA going into the future going into the offseason with free agency from the NBA is not having any trouble getting attention? These days ratings are generally great, tennis, great their credibly popular period. I think the NBA is fine regardless what I do. Think is positive coming out of the series. I mean, let's, let's go just the fact that we've got free agency coming up first NBA free agency, NBA transactions have become like its own season in its own its own category of story. So there's the basketball in the NBA is very proud of the quality about four knows. I think they should be there's all the other stuff in the NBA is more than happy to have all the other stuff the transactions in the rumors. They're they're fine with all of that. It's, it's, you know, teams may not like speculation about their player and the player may not always like a is kind of sitting there going, you know, it's fine. You know, people are talking about a lot the tweeting about us, and they're speculating, and it's fine. But in terms of the finals, and how it impacts NBA popularity I think it can only be good for the league to have the raining. Super team. Not just lose as the warriors did. But all of a sudden very moral because Kevin Durant is probably not gonna play next season even if he stays. And I don't think he's staying Klay. Thompson may not play all next season if he stays, and I think he will stay, but the warriors won't be the warriors next season. So after all, these years of people saying it's a fatal complete the season is meaningless. We're just waiting for the warriors coronation. Well, that's not going to be the case anymore. There's no you know, we have warriors Cavs for four straight years. And then we had warriors Toronto next season next June. We're going to have a completely different finals, Leonard leaves, the raptors will have a different entrance from the east also. So if you if you're a fan of restoring some equilibrium, or not wanting a super team that just dominates too extreme measure than we're gonna good place where things stand right now because there's gonna be

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

01:51 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Is that person willing to carry the load and all the expectations that come with it after the Knicks got everybody's hopes up by all the moves. They made this is going to be a big big summer and then it's we've got an injured Katie, that we're waiting on for a season possibly a full season. It could be less, but it could be a full season missed. And he's gonna come back at age thirty two in twenty twenty will often achilles. I'm hoping for the best as we all are. But we have to be realistic and note that the history of guys coming from achilles is biz checkered at best, so we don't know. And so that second player that the Knicks are trying to get is on his own for a while, that, that, I think that factors into this, too, and, you know, the Knicks after consider that the other player mystery max player x has to consider that. I dunno. I also, by the way, just think this to, yes, of course, if you've got caporal him for years, one, sixty four for, for K D, one of the greatest players of all time, I guess you have to do it, but. It might not go right? That might not in the Knicks have a long history of having made bad bets for a lot of money on players with injury concerns coming in Mari Stoudamire. Alan Houston penny. Hardaway. You know, the head mcdyess is deal. They had to deal mcdyess. I don't think there were warning signs there that just got him. And then he then his, his leg blew up, but it was it's still they've got a long history of having big contracts on injured players that have hampered them. And does that at least give you some pause? Well, let's pause here because we do have an MBA final sort out. We will be at oracle arena for the very last time tomorrow. Howard beck. Do people always love when you come on? Thank you for your time. And we'll see what happens tomorrow. Game six get wait.

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

03:30 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"And if that's the case in terms of upside, and blemishes and concerns and talent level, whatever they're all just different versions of the same bag of pros and cons. I don't know how valuable the fourth really is versus these seventh or the eleventh or the twelfth pick and it costs you more because of the way, the rookie scale is designed, so it the benefit of having the fourth pick is that if you as a team, you're if you're say you're the pelicans, and you're querying fourth pick or who are your steer that third team. That's. Acquiring it. If you believe that one person player out of that fourth through twelfth range in the mock drafts is clearly, the one that you think has the best upside, or that you're sure everybody else's missing on her. You give yourself certainty, you, you get the fourth pick you get you, you give yourself certainty about the guy you can get in that fourth or twelfth range, if you think one guy really does stand out. But if the draft experts, I've talked to her correct, and that is all very murky in that range, and it's not really worth that much. It costs you more. So maybe what you're saying is in all comes back to number three and the fight in New York knickerbockers, and their stockpile of young players. Nobody wants except for Mitchell Robinson. I saw in Begley reports the Knicks are gonna be hesitant to part with young players and draft pick good draft picks for Anthony say, what are they trading stock in MSG? What's, what's the trade? I don't understand. I just I mean there's one team that hit the floor when Kevin Durant hit the floor. It's the next I Sola had a great line in his column on the Atlantic about that you have expected, Bob Myers. What he got off the day like. I had the microphone to Steve mills who would then express all of his remorse. He wrote it differently than that. But that was the basic idea. I laughed. Yeah. I mean, the Knicks put a lot of eggs in that basket. And they'll deny it when, when the summer's over and they've got whoever they've got maybe, maybe it's Katy Katie. I don't think it's going to affect. I bet they still make a big offer just offer them what they would offer them before. Yeah, the one team that may not and I don't think he was going to go, there anyways, the Lakers. I don't think he was gonna out Lakers. I don't think that was a real thing. But that's the one team you can look at it and say, we can't wait a year. Like we don't have a year to wait. Here's, here's the thing, and I don't want to get to the next rabbit hole. But if the Knicks sign Katie to for your backs and say, you know, it's fine, we're willing to wait and we believe he'll be fine, even though the Kelly's is one of the hardest of injury comeback from you are basically, writing off next seasonal so which is fine. Maybe you're a tanking year again, another high pick isn't it isn't the worst thing in the world. But if the idea was to get two guys all right? We'll decide to I want to carry that team by myself while I'm waiting for him. And again too. To the point of the young players. They're young players are not very good. That's not yet yet yet. Some of them are so young. I'm not writing off. Kevin knox. I'm not ready. I'm not ready to number one is discouraging. But I'm not I'm not writing off Kevin Knox. You're, you're one was alarming. Then some of the things I've heard about just his motor and everything else, make me concern that, that, who he is at nineteen might just be who he is. But we'll see. But if your career having are you willing to go Bernie, you're waiting for D to get healthy? And now your banking on, does he ever returned to full Katie form after the achilles. Or is it somebody else in?.

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"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

The Lowe Post

03:57 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"You should be more aggressive than I was. You should be more aggressive than the Celtics were in retrospect pudding. Jalen Brown is something they should have done even saying that the entire discussion changes of Leonard leaves Toronto on July first the entire discussion changes if that shot bounces four times out and they lose in the second. That's how thin the margins are. And by the way back to Boston. It's fashionable to say the reason they believe they were a championship contender as they took Cleveland to seven in the conference finals that year you know what else happened to them. They barely beat the bucks and seven in the first round of that same playoffs. That's how slim the margins are. Can I say it? Yes. These things turn on trifle. You like that one. It's my Phil Jackson, ISM these things listen. I feel Jackson is how's it going? It's. We often forget the details that you just listed. It's like you know, I'm fond of talking about how the Lakers were this close to not winning two of their three championships in the Kobe run. It's, it's often that close. And yes, Kawai Leonard this is this is the ultimate example, because we're not gonna forget about the four ounces, because it was so incredible and memorable an inch in our brains. We won't forget that one, but we should bring it up in the context discussions like this because they were just that close then Greg's overtime they might still want. But. They were potentially just that close to not getting out of the second round. And yes, then our discussions are entirely different about the gamble that they made on Kawai because then it's well, they lost in the second round and kunai is certainly it's understandable. If he wants to go chase his dreams now back L A or wherever. Early this season. I know, for fact that, that Boston, one of the reasons they were confident in AD of eventual trade was the idea that AD kyri were texting buddies and wanted to play with each other. And then eventually that, that faded away, and it became Kyran Katie are buddies, and they wanna play together. But before that it was AD and Kyrie. And so I've often thought there's a chicken and egg thing here, does getting a D in a draft night trade that you can't execute. But you agree to just like they did with Pearson guard at years ago, does that convinced kyri stay? And when you say, well, why would you even want to stay well, one because you don't want to just lose all NBA second team guard for nothing. Even if you decide to part with them later, but to any chemistry you had her involving some of your younger players who may be going out the door to get a D anyway. And that might solve your chemistry dishes. This is why the nets or interesting because I don't. Yes, any team in the league conceives as kyri Irving as the best player on a great championship Tim. No. So when you see team clear to max lots, yes. And one of them's for kyri they got someone else in my yes, who's better. Yes. Yeah. That's why the nets is, is very interesting to me, because the nets have been all about their culture, and the careful cultivation of this culture, and everything is cope acetic and everyone gets a long and there's no chemistry issues and everyone's rowing in the same direction and all this, it struck me as very interesting that, that team would move heaven and earth to put Kyrie Irving, who is not a bad guy. I'm not saying Cairo's guy. I'm just saying. We just saw a whole year. Year of chemistry problems that stemmed in part from his presence on the team to weird stuff. He said to the media, the weird stuff he said behind closed doors? And you're moving heaven and earth to bring that guy into the environment that has been so pristine. It's a little cocoon you protected, you know why? Because someone else's gonna come with them. Absolutely positively. I've said the same the, the first reaction when you hear that they're making room or that they are making all these maneuvers, or even before they were making those moves, and they were just simply tied strongly to kyri..

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03:39 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Good is that team versus the Celtics team with Anthony Davis, Gordon Hayward a re-signed L Horford Brown? Jaylen Brown markets. That's still pretty good team. And if listen, let's remember, a couple of things one Celtics to get to the conference finals game seven without kyri and Gordon Hayward. Right. That's like part of the Lord out. They got to game seven against LeBron. Doesn't mean that you could do that, again just by eliminating those guys. But we know there's a version of that Celtics team. That's really, really good. And Jalen Brown, we presume is going to take another step forward. And we also presume that Kyrie Irving, if not the entire reason, certainly not the entire reason, but a large part of the reason that their chemistry was screwy and everything else. Also, by the way, just thinning the herd trading for Anthony Davis by definition is going to thin the herd. So part of what the problem was was probably too many guys who needed to many shots, too many minutes. And Brad Stevens couldn't quite figure out how to keep everybody happy as a result. Nobody was happy. So a different version of that team with fewer stars to placate or fewer young up and coming guys to placate might be a stronger more cohesive unit. The, the, the talent will still be there Anthony Davis, takes them to another level. Is that team good enough to compete with the bucks and the and the the weird Sixers? And whatever is the raptors. I think they're in the mix. Gin. And by the way, the raptors had phenomenal chemistry. They have some ages shoes. We don't know what, what who they are who've that team was coming back. Even if Kawai does, and you also your year chemistry changes. Sometimes we don't know if that, if that same magic will will last into another season. If I'm Danny Ainge, I'd feel pretty damn confident in the group that you just laid out. I also believe this. I said this earlier the finals, this is the testament to why you take a swing if you get a chance to get a top ten guy on a one year deal, you do it because Paul George might just resign with you Kawai, Leonard might just lead you to the finals. My first glance at that. Boston team the imaginary, no Kyrie. Yes. AD team in no Tatum. Is. It doesn't have enough perimeter shot creation because I can't assume that Gordon Hayward is Gordon Hayward again after watching him last year. Now soon he's going to be better in your to Paul George became Paul George, but I'm just like, I'm not going to just blanket, assume pencil in twenty twenty five and five fair on good shooting next season. Maybe I hope he gets her certainly had games where he looked like he was getting there and then had been tire weeks where you disappear. However, they would, you know Baynes just opted in. He's an important part of their team. They would be a fairly deep and that if you're starting lineup is smart Hayward Brown Davis, Horford. You have a chance to be the best defensive team in the league in the regular season. That's gonna win. You a lot of games in the playoffs offense it unless somebody pops or Gordon Hayward pops back to being Gordon Hayward offense might be something of an issue like dumping it down to like having your too. Big is be sole responsible for for shock creation is a little a little dicey but I may be underestimating that team because of how good it could be defensively. I could be the best defensive team Italy. And we, we should factor into, like, how much more Al Horford is there, you know, to speaking of age issues, but no on its face..

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01:45 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"And from there, it's layup, or kicked Igwe dollar, who had a couple of one three big corner, three dream on a couple like they're just kind of getting caught in no man's land. And Steph is finding ways around him. He's getting to the free throw line. I'm interested to see if they trap those more aggressively. I'm not sure that's gonna be maybe they'll do that. Or switch them more cleanly. But, but Stephan Klay were just awesome. And that, that pick and roll has been giving everyone trouble for five years. So maybe there's not any answer to it. But yeah, I mean I'm interested to see how the raptors come out. Who guards coli I thought Andre I thought entre had kind of a throwback defensive game in a lot of game five like the battle with Kawai was almost an equal battle for the first time in that series. I don't know what else are you looking for in this game to talking about the game -freshing who they starting? I mean cousins actually, I thought brought that up. There's a place where I was like I don't wanna see cousins ever play again. He was so so so bad. A game four I thought they just can't even afford to have him out there at all. And by all accounts, he wasn't gonna play in game five until Durant went down. And he played pretty well. Does that give them enough confidence to rolling back out there to start the game? They wanna start small and if so does that mean Livingston starts again. He's not been great in the series does is looney. You know how many more blows to the chest can looney take? You know it's back to that numbers game. Interestingly the STA so, so you're. Their best lineup. Left would appear to be Steph, Andre Klay. Draymond. So let's just call those the four core. Guys have this plus looney.

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03:34 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"And what makes us very hard. So I like Tom Habra short wrote a great piece about this ram BC. He talked to a bunch of sports, scientists in the wake of this and. They were questioning twelve of the first fourteen minutes, seems like seems like a bad idea. I said that to Tim Bontemps before. I just said this, this is kind of what I expect it should not expect this. I didn't expect them to be running the same pin down sets for him that they normally run. I didn't expect him to bring the ball up. I didn't expect we all have I think we'll expect him to stand in the corner and stretch. The defense and make shot here and there, so all of these sports. Scientists tell Tom, that's probably a mistake. Probably one of them said inexcusable, I think, in the story, I've had sports nights is told me some of the following things. So Steve Kerr tells Rachel Nichols after the game and I saw them walking out together. That, you know, they told us that the doctors told us it couldn't get worse. Right. The injury couldn't get worse. I've obviously that was not the case, I've had a bunch of sports on to tell me, there's just no way that there must be a communication breakdown between the doctors to Steve Steve, walking out of the arena. Can you imagine his brain trying to give an articulate statement of shell shocked? Everybody should just happen given the game, given we're going to Toronto herb going back to Golden State all of the stuff like I like if there were communication breakdown, I would understand it. But all the sports onto told me, there's just no way that a team of medical specialists that included according to the warriors, Kevin Durant on hand picked separate from the team medical specialists would have would have been able to say with anything like certainty. It can't get worse. It can always get worse. A reinjuring could be a worse reader, so that I just think that was worded. Not correctly. There's, there's curiosity of there's been curiosity since it happened of the initial calf injury. Like was it a calf injury where on the calf was it? I've been told that where the strain and sometimes a strain is a partial tear, right? Where was that was a close to the achilles was far from the achilles? Maybe that matters. I've heard how much activity he was able to do before the game really matters, and the, the less, you do the more risky, it is. Because the ramp up has been so accelerated, and I've heard lots of them, tell me of course, an achilles injury is linked to what came before because all of those things are on what Jeff Stotts an injury expert in his own writing called the same kinetic chain. That's a lot of second guessing at what I will say, what, what makes this so difficult to analyze is that all of the analysis informed by what happened. So what happened happened and the conclusion is? There must have been a mistake. They must have gotten it wrong in. I'm. And I guess that is one way to look at it because this is a this is a horrible outcome. It's the worst possible outcome. Because you can actually almost say because he this happened. He shouldn't have played. I can see that. I can get there. I sympathize with that. But, but we're all we're all analyzing from the result back, Zemmiri's sense. Yeah. The it's a human reaction that if you see as you say, the worst happened, therefore some steak must have been made to allow that to happen..

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03:44 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Can we could put that one to bed because even it's even when he has these quiet games like when it would dollar was finals MVP relatively quietly Twenty-one now? He's, I believe he's still a forty percent three point shooter in the playoffs career, maybe better without well. Looking at up. His scoring is not as consistent. Prolifically. He's had some stinkers the nature of his game is pretty high variance. But I don't know how you can watch the warriors even with Durant, and not see how much of what they do stems from the fact that Steph has two guys on him. Thirty five feet from the rim in a way that no one else in the league has ever had not even Damian Lillard has guys blitzing him to that to that degree in with that level of aggression. Now, you need another guy like Draymond green, who's a genius. Who can make plays in space as a big guy, as a screener, you need that, but like Steph is taking these lineups where it's like Steph McKinney. Draymond looney Iniguez Dala with apologies. They would dollar who everyone knows. I'm an Andrea. I'm just a straight up. Andre families shooting thirty eight percent for three in the playoffs. That's four crappy shooters, Steph curry, and they're like, they're still just killing people. And what, what is the reason? It's because two guys are on Steph, thirty five feet, four remember the most fundamental reason is that. Anyway, he's by the way, you're right point four zero four career three point shooter in the playoffs. Choke artist choke artist. We should not be surprised. We should not be surprised that the greatest shooting backward in the history of the game. Plus Draymond green on the most unique and essential defensive players. We've ever seen in certainly in this era. We should not be surprised that those guys even with any rooted supporting cast you get Donald Livingston or not who they were a few years ago, the rest of those guys. I mean I it's, it's, it's incredible. What Steve Kerr is essentially gotten away with in this playoff run in terms of some of the, the lineups he's had to run out there. They're not the strength in numbers group. They're not because they signed Kevin Durant, and through a few pieces overboard a couple years ago, and that's fine. That's that it's a top, heavy model and they have they have misfired on some some picks and some signings. They, you know it's hard. It's really when you're a champion or a contender year in year out, we saw this with the Miami Heat team with LeBron. I saw it with the warriors with Shaq and Kobe, it's. It's really if you don't aced, your pick at twenty ninth or thirtieth and ace, your mid level exception signing, or your veteran like it's hard, as anybody off the hook. I'm sure Bob Myers is smacks himself all the time for for some of the misfires they've had supporting cast not is good. But those three guys still really super good. And by the way, the Portland trailblazers are missing a player who is either second or third best player so that the warriors dominated in the regular season even with just the three even without Durant. This is more akin to that Zach, and this is not a put down to the Portland trailblazers by any means. But again, none of us expected them to be in the conference finals, so that the warriors are able to consistently beat a team that in the regular season was consistently not as good as them. With her with again with or without Durant? If you had said, we just had the other three guys for the warriors and they could take on eighty percent ninety percent of the league. Would you still expect them to beat them for out of seven you'd say, yes, it's only a couple of teams that you would think man, they really need to rent? And this is where it comes back around to this whole thing about are they better off without him. And all this. No, they need to read the proof is the last two championships. They won after losing one to the Cavaliers, and then destroying them the next two times and Durant being the best player in both those series and winning MVP..

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02:48 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"From three point range if you round up for for kyri inside that far. Clay, Kemba and Beal or the other guys I'd be considering against Russ Russ is. Among all these guys. He's last in two point percentage. He's next to last lasted three point percentage of twenty eight. He's last ineffective field goal percentage of forty six. I ran a couple of different versions of this just to see how it would pan out. Oh, and he's also averaging four point six turnovers a game, which is a lot. And he's his his free-throw percentage. Russell shooting sixty five percent from the line for a guard. That's that's that's just horrific. Thirty one guards were averaging at least two free throw attempts game. That's not even that high. But threshold thirty one guards who average English two free throws attempts to game Rush's thirtieth and free throw percentage. The only one he's ahead of his Ben Simmons who I had not mentioned, but should be part of the discussion for third team as well. Thirty three players period, regardless of position average, twenty points or more game Russ's dead last in that group ineffective field goal percentage. And yet he's fourth and field goal attempts. I mean deficiency has always been my knock on him. And I think for a lot of people the knock on Russ it's really pronounced right now. And that's certainly mattering in the standings and in their performance. And in the fact that they while looking like they were going to be and should be a top four team in the western now going to finish in the bottom part of the bracket again. I think all that matters less. So the record I don't I don't place as much emphasis on record for all MBA's. I do for him the MVP. But it's it's it's in there somewhere. Well, where where it will be where it was going to factor into people's votes. I think is thirteen center where I think if you pulled a hundred coaches. Go bear would have a seventy five twenty five edge over towns because of record this impact on winning. Whereas I think if you pulled one hundred Bedia members who would be closer to fifty fifty or more protons, maybe I'm wrong, though. And yet at every as everybody in Salt Lake City will tell you those same coaches did not reward go for winning when it came to all-star reserves. They voted in towns over his true. And that's that's a point of some bitterness in Utah. And it it it may well be again if go bear loses out to towns in all NBA. And so speaking of record. Charlotte is thirty five and thirty nine in the east. Huzzah, okay. So record is not. I don't hear a lot of well with with Bradley Beal, the wizards are thirty and forty five and they're really a special kind of thirty and forty five they are really a dumpster fire on top of a trash fire on top of the Titanic..

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03:28 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"Without curry a win. Durant is on the floor of the year. Just what in those minutes Durant on curry off? This is one of the first times I've been that was referring mostly to win out. Curry also have Mark Mark Medina had a good piece on this today. Particularly in a season with so much drama around the warriors Curry's presence in his leadership. Ju it just has to count it has to count in this calculus in a big way in a bigger way than I think for almost any player the league, it's just him holding the team together strong, but him being the voice that if there's a conflict between literally any part of the team in any other part of the team. He is the glue who can go in and figure out how to how to fix it that has to matter. Agreed. I also. It's gonna be really hard to leave Lillard off. Lillard? I think Yokich is a lock to get on for me. And I think PG is a lot to get on for me. So that really leaves? We're talking about one spot. I think you're going curry versus Dame versus Embiid or. Yeah. No. And embiid's in there to Embiid shooting percentage and turnovers. I just don't know if it's enough, and it's like Lillard is making one hell of a case they are the difference between when he's on the floor. And when he's off the floor is sixteen points. It's one of the biggest gaps in the league, Paul George. I think is the biggest one at seventeen. There's going to be someone who is like it's really hard to leave them off. And Embiid for everything I just said about the shooting percentage in the turnovers. The Sixers are flat bad when he doesn't play bad. They've been bad for two years when he does lay doesn't matter Simmons is on the floor. Mel he's attached. At the hip terrific. So Rettig deserve some of that credit to man game is so good by like we've yet to see the Sixers with the exception of that run at the end of last season. When Embiid was hurt in Simmons went crazy, and they played mostly bad teams. They're mostly just not very good. When m beat is off the floor. Yeah. No. He he's for all those reasons I had to put him down, and he has to be under consideration. And the Sixers where are they now third. So, you know, they're they're they're in a good range there there. You know? I think finally about where we expected them to be. And yeah, I don't wanna leave him beat off in the same way. You don't want to leave Lillard off and Lillard everything. I said about curry applies to Lillard Lillard is an absolute rock and a stud phenomenon maybe the best culture center in the entire league. Every single feature that you've seen written on him the last couple of years. It's he's just he's just fantastic. And the way the guy's respond to him react to him. Yes. Tone, set, our culture said are all of that. And that's stuff should matter in the MVP discussion to it's not just stats, and it's not just wins. It's it's it's it's your presence. Yeah. It's it's going to be really tough. I don't know how it's going to shake out for me. I'm with you that I think yoga John Paul George are fairly essential. Although the thunder's late-season fade here is fairly troubling to. It is going to be true to see where they end up and how that hurts him or whether he built up enough equity in the first sixty eight games of probably did. Because the way that we have these minute to minute discussions now because of Twitter talkradio pods everything else, we we, you know, the MVP discussion people do start to get I think kind of mentally locked into a certain place at a certain point even though their season to go. And you shouldn't the Paul George thing. It was like a few weeks ago, but he was talking about oh, he's definitely third..

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03:50 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"But that's not to say, they didn't build a Roth. Sure that means made to maximize James harden, it it is it is. But it is. But I don't think they feel as urgently about. I mean, they wanna play a particular way because Mike wants a screen and dive centre and that works well with harden. But I I just I think he's almost ecosystem independent. I I don't think it matters. No, which is a great point that you could you could almost drop hardened into any context on your roster and he team, and he would still just he doesn't need a pick. Like, that's I guess it's a fancy way of saying he doesn't even need to pick. Now Jaanus doesn't need to pick and some degree too. Because he just dribbles and spins and then dunks, but he'll occasionally meet a defender that can bother him. Right. And if you lay off him, he's not gonna just destroy from the three point line, which interestingly when you look at I think both active field goal and true shooting or it was just true shooting that Jaanus wins in one or both of those despite not having a three point shot like hardened feasts on three pointers. Which you know, definitely boosts your your advanced fiddle percentages. And Janas does it without that because he's just such a high percentage guy on twos. And obviously gets to the line a lot. We also have to fill out a five-man ballot. And while that's where it gets hard. Well, and on the one hand you just it's a two person race. And really what matters is who gets the top slot. But I do I do think hard about three or four and five because all it matters into its storage. I just went and said how many top three finishes does Dwayne Wade have and it was one like we're gonna look those things matter. Yeah. And so I have eight candidates for five ballot spots. Are you ready? Okay. Jaanus Hardin, Paul, George, Nicole Yokich, Damian Lillard Joel Embiid, Kevin Durant and Steph curry and Currey is going to be a little short in games. But we can talk about that. If you want. So I have I have all those same guys. I you could see where have Kawhi with with a cross through him. And you can see I've I've curry circled there. But I've those same eight names. So I guess my question to you is would it be strange to have a five-man? MVP valid no warriors. It would be it feels wrong. No, it this is this is the conundrum that's been created ever since Durant. Went there. Right with the we we have a hard time parsing out. Well, is it curry or Durant? Who you give the credit to is at both of them. Are they taking away from each other both of them statistically are so good and yes curry we have it. We have a games played a little bit of a games played issue. But they're both so off the charts, especially curry in his officiency that you you cannot dismiss them. Their numbers are better than some of the other guys were talking about. And their teams record is better than some of the other guys. We're talking about better than Dame and Portland, obviously better than m beat in Philly. But it'd be almost impossible to jam them. Both on there. Where I come down on this right now to you know, and again, I don't know how I'm going three four five specifically or what order, but I do think it's curry over K D because we've seen what when curry was out. Katie just can't lead them in the same way. They're not the same the same team. Without curry. He he is still the most important engine of of the warriors. And maybe it'd be different if the team had been built around Katie, I don't know. But I think we've seen that when curry is out the warriors are much more vulnerable than than than vice versa. So Korean key deep stats are phenomenal for both guys. If it's going to be one of them on the ballot in that three or four five position. I think it stuff. Statistically, they've actually for the first time, Ben, okay?.

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03:55 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"I feel like he's the great unknowable star of like the past twenty years. I just don't feel like I know who Dwayne Wade is a human being what is he about? What's he like, what's his personality? I mean, I know certain things about as game and he's rugged player, and obviously he's symbolic of the heat culture and all of that. And you get glimpses of his off court life. I just I just don't feel like I have a grasp of him the way that I do of. Someone of his stature and just his stature alone. I think is a matter of of interest to me because he doesn't come up enough. I don't think integrators shooting guard of all time below Michael rankings? And and Wade versus Kobe at their primes. I think is an interesting debate. And then you look at how many top three finishes. Do you think? Twin Wade had an MVP voting. I'm going to say less than three one. Yeah. How many first team all NBA is do you think? Oh, that's a good one. I must say three to Kobe made. I team all NBA like nine thousand times. I can't even there so many here. I can't even count them. It's just he's had a string and there've been injuries. He's been injured here and there because of his what was it? What was it? Eight times down seven to stand. Stiff all down eight stand up as the commercial right something like that meeting. And so his counting stats aren't maybe as impressive as they could be given some of the time he missed and then of course, he takes back seat to LeBron for the latter part of his career. He's just had a really interesting career that maybe because of the era it took place in or because he he, you know, he a lot of guys sort of have their brief flicker of maybe I'm the best player in the league. And then someone else comes and takes it. And like LeBron did I just I just feel like I haven't quite put my finger on him yet. What what did you come away with this? It's interesting because even well first of all it. So in terms of like where he ranks all time. I mean, isn't it generally universally agreed upon he's he's he's third in the in the shooting guard rankings behind Michael and Kobe. I guess I mean as anybody else made a case that is somebody Japan's how you characterize Jerry West. I think who is constantly. I mean, maybe maybe because of what he's done since his playing days constantly overlooked in like all those days. And I think he's overlooked in the greatest Laker debate. Not to say he is the greatest lake are ball time. But his he just it's not he's not in that discussed conversation. Maybe maybe he may be Dwayne is universally the number three guy. And I think how he stacks up with Kobe player for player prime for prime is actually kind of an interesting conversation. But in terms of accolades and statistics counting statistics. Anyway, it's it's not close. But in terms of efficiency statistics, it is close. Yeah. And you know, there's to your point there is a lot. That's I think oh, I don't wanna say unknowable about him. But. Dwayne interesting in talking to you guys. I talked about to them I think like literally seven days apart, and it's just very different talking to talking to Wayne. I mean know as any two people, I guess, but Dwayne is so polished in his so, you know, it's going to be a great interview. No, he's going to say some interesting things he's going to be earnest he's going to, but but it's with a polish on it. Like, it feels like Dwayne was always made to be in these situations. Like, he was he's just great on that stage. And if in fact, you know, a lot of us have felt over the years that like LeBron being with Duane in Miami made LeBron a better, you know, media presence because Dwayne always kind of invited it and had a certain like you enthusiasm for it that I think kind of brought it LeBron LeBron was not as great in his first run with Cleveland. So joins us natural with that. Dirk Dirks got that low key kind of monotone I'm to sit back in the chair with the microphone off the stand..

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02:06 min | 3 years ago

"howard beck" Discussed on The Lowe Post

"It's it doesn't make sense that they would be enemies because they're they're they're both good dudes. But this is what competition does right. So Dallas loses. The no six Mark Cuban in particular. But the Mavs is a whole complain about the officiating they go way beyond complaints about it again in your story. He's not backing down. No, it's oh, let me third clean years later bookmark that let's come back to that. But that that really ate at the heat, and certainly Dwayne 'cause you're you're basically saying are championship is is is fraudulent that we got it. And it was handed to us by the officials. And so it's like seven eight months later, whatever that Dwayne gives an interview to I think I think it was all of the heat media hashtag. Saying, you know, look, Dirk didn't lead them, right? They lost Dirk didn't lead them. Right. So now, it's a total shot across the bow. Now, this is this is he's firing back because he feels like they were taking shots at him by by putting it on the officiating. But he's now making it kind of personal about Dirk. So I think that's where it will start that was one of the so I had forgotten about that. Until I read Ian, Thompson's book to say all the basketball same gray in net, quote, where he says essentially, Dirksen, bad leader Eric was Dirk came up short. He's a bad leader. Yeah. I read that in the book. I was like did that just how how is that? Not like a. Like a like one of those things you just remember all the time. Tentpole kind of thing that is to first ballot hall of famers one going for the throat of the other. I mean that that's a crazy one that one is in it's rare. We don't see that too often. You might see guys take little shots at each other. Or like, you know, playful stuff or even if it's a little bit cutting. It's not that one that one was pretty deep that cut pretty deep. And I think that's where we're at all really begins and then it festers for years, and then the Dwayne LeBron making fun of Dirk being sick during the eleven two thousand eleven finals. I'm coughing on cameras. It's like they've were trying to be jerks..

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