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My Neighbor Totoro with Jonathan Frakes

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My Neighbor Totoro with Jonathan Frakes

"Breakthrough here I've Seen Jonathan frakes the dad and action so very nerd on. What's up? Everyone welcome to on the podcast. You didn't need but deserve where all levels of nerd are welcome whether you came from the city or the forest. Whether you're lost in the woods or waiting for the bus the spirit will reveal himself when he wants to. Today we discussed the iconic character the decorates all of Jimmy Studios with my neighbour. Totoro get sick with the copyright so fast. We're not alice unless you're saying I'm killing it. Harder awesome sound like Leah's along all day I can't do the thing but Thank you just ready. One two three deleted. Everything can impose thank you. Yeah we're talking Totoro and we got some surprises in this episode but first and foremost introduced the host Ceylan. Oh yeah the hosts. I'm one of them. I'm Ceylan Him. Tom And I'm going to order. We discussed before. No One's remembering it. I think and then Tom off and now Josh. What's next well I well? 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Love it without it. We would It would be hard pressed and Odyssey headphones Wonderful wonderful things They sound so amazing Especially with the Human Voice. I dig it Human voice the human voice But yeah and Odyssey and apogee both of them they both companies are just really cool people so I am always omen to supporting really cool people so But yeah we're really people josh thank you. You're really cool. People Cory what I say about lying said. Don't get set go to headline more. No so corey hasn't lied. You lied to her. Turn to a positive. But yeah that's it that is keeping show. Kisha was into it about totem. Yes we we are. Also everyone if you're brand new to the show. This is the spoiler free territory. If you're brand new turned on Guests at GRUMP is completely foreign. Thing to you but if you're familiar we're doing something completely different. We did have a guest on the show. And Joshua introduce that at the end of it will still announce who was the guest and all that stuff but This is after that moment so so we already have knowledge of who the graph episode. But you get that the nation so Do we have that? We're going to mention that right now. So if you become a part of the nation you get to participate in polls on who you think the grump of the episode will be who's GonNa read it the lowest out of the group. It's a fun way for us to turn our negative into a positive and and with that the nation believes by an overwhelming fifty percent by the way that Tom is going to be the grump of the week. Only interesting song by men only interested. It's interesting I was. I think I'm trying to think back to What did we watch before? This spirited of spirit away I I remember me not liking it or I thought. I was the grumpy Madison. You were yeah. Well you're me and you have the second most votes. It's starting to come around a little bit of thing. I've been watching things. That are more enjoyable. I kinda don't get it because to me on my. It's IT'S ANIME IS. Japanese is something that always. It's going to be Ali so that's my mind track. But that so yeah. So everyone is at home is encouraged to play along. But if you're part of the nomination quite said you are featured anyway so that brings us to our next segment. Which is going to be a complete spoiler of it Which will also Kinda forgo because we talked about it there but we can meander a little bit into it if we wanted to. Yeah I mean I can talk about this film until this year my. It's my wife's favorite and after her. It was very important that I saw the version she grew up with. This is the Fox version. Because she wasn't a fan of the redouble so we waited and waited and waited and waited trying to find trying to find it. I looked up. Dvd's that are like one hundred and twenty dollars something. Some on that word. Tom came through this Christmas. Got Us a copy of it and so we finally washed. It washed it. You watched it because gotta be safe. Yeah and it was so I mean I can immediately see why this character and this film especially it has become such a large part of people's lives. It really has even as a thirty one year old watching this. For the first time I was glued to the screen. My emotions were all over the place. Getting to see these wonderful characters that I had seen from afar. Get to come to life Totoro and cat bus and and all that kind of stuff and knowing never knowing what the nuance of the story was and I think I have a different appreciation having watched it as an adult and knowing the story with the Kid. I don't think I would have understood what was wrong with the mom and stuff like that so. I really really dug this phone. It's definitely probably my one of my favorite films. Now if he can on that second second place I think it is second place. I think it's around that from you too. I mean you only have to always I've seen so. Yeah that's my initial reaction and then I did get to watch both versions leading up to this and I'll that a little later allocating For me saying this was the first time I had seen. It was In preparation for this episode and I really enjoyed it. I had no expectations same as tom like I kind of had the observations of its culture is Corey. Sorry looks different now even more so slip at the time Freudian. We're not the same person. Could you dive into psychologists Freudian episode us? The there's the characters really interesting Really interesting and it's fascinating to watch their journeys and it's really hard to find. We'll get more really hard to find a character. That's not enjoyable watcher. Her onscreen doesn't contribute to the to the to the story in into the world so it was it was it was a joy. The music is great It you know it's got a little bit of that a little bit of that older school charm to it then really enjoyed Being sort of like my generation of enemy as I was sort of going up so back then but As we'll see soon that was the case for everybody. Some people raise your. You'll raise your kids right feeling So I saw the Fox double longtime ago I've been a little anime lovey lady for a long time and Totara was one of those films that just hit every mark for me. it. I'm very about greenery and forest. I grew up in the woods in southern Indiana. So the idea of like forest spirits in going off on a branch Yeah No I. I grew up on seven acres that was primarily forest so my sister and I would go off in like make forts in the middle of nowhere and find you know those tunnels in the brush so this was just like nostalgia central for me and it's Super Nostalgia Central Now So that was just like a breath of fresh air to watch way back when and bits. Bits stales holds true for now Nice Yeah this is the for this film specifically. It was the first time that I I had seen it to prepare for this episode. And it's always been on. The periphery of Being involved in pop culture and being fan like it's it's always there it's always present and if you've seen had on other Studio Ghibli films and just never had seen this one. And I've seen the character of Totoro on different things and I just didn't get the reference and now I got to see it and I- I washed it through and I. It was a joy to watch first time through and I enjoyed it so much that I just started watching again. Like right after It was just and I enjoyed it just as much like sometimes when you watch something multiple times even in a row it's it can be I don't know maybe there's this is meant to be viewed It's not how that's no Able to enjoy even through. That is pretty amazing. Yeah so it. It says a lot about it. I think I just really enjoyed my first Watched through and second watch through and very excited to be doing it as a topic for our episode tongue. Yeah Tahoe Corey for the for this episode. It's Tom Toro. Thank you and Toro. Yeah to me. I feel like I'd be like the little white one. No teeth anyways So I can you believe it can't believe it or not. I used to be a real real big fan of Disney and Disneyland. They actually sell Jubilee Team Jubilee by the way Jubilee Josh is pretty with as I've noticed yeah can fine is totally fine It doesn't really. I mean yeah. It's a certain proper pronunciation just POPs up African win this name in Italian that is used in Japan to you. Is it Mario or Mareo who say guideline we'll bring it up in the next Joint Council Jeff of gift and I also say Georgia instead of Gorgon Studio Ghibli. Yeah exactly brain to hear my mouth to say as long necked animals those graphs all those. I Love Them. Well said it wrong But no yeah so you Disneyland actually used to sell bonds of stuff and I was always very fascinated and I was mainly looking for my Keys delivery service. Because that's my favorite and I kept just seeing toter Mann but thorough as I never watched that shit so I was like. Let me watch this right so I watched the first one ever watched was the Disney up and It was it was the Blu Ray version and this is later in college and I somehow always avoided it and Then I finally watched it and then cool now I get it? It's in my pocket. Now it's onto the next Jimmy fill and then preparing for this. I was like let me do a let me do a ride. Let me watch that original. Og Dub and let me. Let me try to watch the Japanese subs with English subtitles. And Never got to that one. I was like all right. I'll just get the the Fox. Last streamlined version in the Disney version and So I'll minus reaction is I I really love this film. I think it's Like I will always say this belt. Miyazaki is on. This is fantasy storytelling for children. Done right Staying with a lot of staying power And I think When you look back it's something that we're like you don't have to have A retelling of it to feel like you're telling the story that you probably should have told And also has very timeless five to it right And that I think that's a that's a really big thing and I think that's something that Islam is. I lost upon Hamazaki in the fact that like he makes films. He has collaborators but in the end of the they're the films that he wants to tell ends not by committee Because I will say like it's true autour work and it's true I to me. I mean I don't WanNa make a comparison but it's like imaginative. Tolkien was like I'm GonNa make cartoon fantasies of my experiences of what war was and put into a positive place where coal talking was like. I can tell this. Epic story with same Staying power same epoch in icon iconography on just in a different way and land. I think that that's that's that's really powerful. I think there's something about totoro being like the sophomore or like the the earlier works of Miyazaki Giglio's Leo's like this was also the the the litmus test between the state of like what are we going to be. Are we going to be the people that do we want the third Catholic Eleo Stroh? We'd BE NASCAR The valley the win or we're going to be Firefight Orbi like Totoro and at the end of the day. Total rose the one that came up on top and so I think that was a really cool I guess moment A time for them so they really came to maturity for it so tons ministers. They WANNA tell Also now that kind of Explains what we're going to get into how we're GONNA talk about the episode because it doesn't reveal what grumpy all that stuff is Will go into our next few segments. Which is going to be our a brief summary and then which is more of a synopsis and then our production against Dylan's and wheeler free territory based free is acclaimed anime detail by Director Hayami Ezaki. Follow School goal. Saga and her younger sister. May as they settle into an old country house with their father and wait for their mother to recover from an illness in an area hospital. As a sisters explore their home they encounter and befriend playful spirits in the house and and the nearby forest most noticeably most notably the massive cuddly creature known as Totoro and so now and then we go into our production. So a little bit of that Just a little snow at top on there like Primarily three versions of where you can watch this so for the cast. I'm only going to talk about who plays why in the Japanese and then in the Fox streamlined version an INDIE DISNEY DUB but. I'm not going to list of what they've done before because we'd go on for four hours so This film is distributed by Toho Where I think if you're familiar with Japanese films you know Franchises such as Godzilla. All those films go through Toho. All the POK MON films. All D- realize twenty films go through Tokyo and then the recently we did Yvonne so those films go through Toho to The director is best known for Kiki's delivery service and then Nosko valley the winds in seared away producers told Hotta Kiki's delivery service And produced a grave of the fireflies with that. Every single person has started cooking and then also produce castle in the sky. The writer is high. Amuse ocoee who wrote this. Se I had the has now Poker Roseau Wind rises in house moving castle the cast so who plays Satsuki Casa. Kobe for the Japanese is not toe. He DECA And then the streamline version is Lisa Michelson and then the Disney version is Dakota fanning. That's how it's GonNa play and the May is a Kobe is Chika. Sakamoto in the streamlined. Version is Cheryl Chase and then Elle fanning dot. A sister of Dakota fanning plays of and then Tatsu Okabe Father Is in the Japanese She auto eat toy In in the Fox version. Is Greg Snag off and in in the Disney version? Is Tim Daly which I got a quick shout out a superman baby. That's Superman of course The mother Yasuko across the bay is play. Sumi Shimamoto Moto In in the Fox version is Alexandra Kenworthy and then in the Disney is Leah's lounge And totoro it's play by Hitoshi Takagi And in the Fox version there is no If you look on the Internet some people say Rob Paulsen which is a really big name buyer for the most part it's not listed and the Disney Dub. It's Frank Welker. Granny is played by tiny tiny. Keita by Ashi and the Fox version. It's Natalie core and in addition the Disney debits Pat Carroll and this film originally was released April Sixteenth nineteen eighty eight. The runtime is eighty six minutes. There is not a listed budget again. If you look up multiple websites. They'll have very conflicting information. The only thing that is certain is the gross. It grossed four point of forty five point one million worldwide and the rotten tomatoes score from critics and audience actually do Mattress is ninety. Four percent agree. We agree on what I don't agree with that but that's it that's all the production baby thou that brings us to the next part. Which Josh will happily inform us about. Yeah so as you think so josh. Yes as you can delays. We love delays. No so the next part of the show is something very different than we have ever done before. And it's very special as well Gosh Josh Different. Yeah what about seventy episodes ago? Almost we had our friend. Jonathan frakes on the show and he mentioned in passing. I'll come something to the effect of I will come back and we can talk totoro and this little idea. I'm going to send an email. I sent an email and he said let's do it. So the next part of our show how we always usually run it is we are going to be joined by Jonathan frakes and so we cut to that And enjoy and then we'll come back away Jewish off the show but yeah here. We go Jonathan area so much for joining us. This is so exciting. Pleasure by totoro played a huge part in bringing up kids. Yeah tells about it which stood there. That's that's where I would start. One of the producers on Star Trek was named Peter Lawrence and he recommended. It was a big animation fan and as I think Jimbo is about to at Elisa was just big board so three one they were really really little Turned me onto by. They were Coco. Which in many ways a first of all they had was beautiful. I wasn't naive is on. You might sake as a genius right telling is a little bit like spongebob into just plenty of stuff for the kids. But deeper stuff adults away get away saying airy subtle well-placed and and it has a real tragic element there. A certain on. We did that. The kids don't get they probably get it subliminally but but the spectacular visuals my favorite which absorbed you. Everyone has their own is win. The bus turns into a cat. Ask advice with a little lower. They like rats like tasio fantastic. Yeah I used to look forward to that section show you have kids you wash it over and over and over there I was. I was really glad that they got Oakland. This early. Do you remember which version that you saw. Disney did today arena The in the in the nineties but they were only slash streamline edition Nice. You guys are really dirt's question. The Disney version has Dakota fanning and L. Fanning as the as the leads the Rita. They lot the rights expired and so Disney did a new version with fascination. Same Innovation. Yeah they just did a new DAB of it yeah and also Pat Carroll plays granny. Who's best from Ursula so lying and in Tim Daly who then Superman I always just like as the dad and I was like the two me. There's a lot of cool things with the new DUB but Speaking of the the cat bus Do you know the lower behind that lake ago. I'd love to. It's apparently in Japanese lower myth and legend that when cats get to like so old they can shape shift. And that's what that is it turns into a bus and there's actually a sequel to it. That's never been shown in America only premiered several times in a museum and it's May and the cat bus and there's more than just a cap busters like a cat train. A cat submarine. There's a kitten bus the world of cat vehicles. What all you gotta go there. You've got to go to Japan. Hockey's museum that I think that'd be a treat for you. That's awesome absolutely so Jonathan's favor part. Is the cat bus. What about everybody else? I love go. I was I was going to say the The pine trees growing the when they go out and they do kind of like the dancing and the tree just keeps keeps on growing. It was so cool and then their celebration. Even after they learned that it wasn't real like still they like sprung up out of the ground and they were like yeah. It's still a success gusting ever. Did you watch the Fox or the Disney version? It was the Disney version. I honestly I didn't know until after I watched it and was doing all my research. I was like what I missed out. So it's funny because in the Disney version Says I didn't think I thought it was a dream. It may says but it wasn't a dream and in the Fox version. They say we did it. We did it. We did it. So it's it's a very interesting like oh like what were they trying to want to? Maybe address the dream. Yeah well it's interesting because like a high oh Miyazaki. When NOSCO THE VALUE OF THE WIND? I came to America. He was very upset with how the dubbing went because it cut sequences out. They changed dialogue. And so I'm breaking relationships with them and no matter what every movie that I have come out. They catch campaign chair. Here's all that and so like it's interesting but that change so what happened so I mean like interesting like what cat bus like that. I think the names like Nikko. Busu They changed that to say cat bus specifically instead of saying calling echo buster. So it's it's it's very interesting to see like what changed between two. I had the pleasure and privilege and time because we have all the time now to watch both versions though. Yeah for me. It's the Bus Stop seeing the the raindrops for me. It's it's a really beautiful change from this. Really almost depressing. Melancholy feel to Totoro showing up in changing the entire viewpoint of the kids from being sad in the reigning waiting for their data and making it a a fun thing there at the bus. And it's taking it takes a long time for even like their data commenting seven minutes in. Looks like it's getting worse and worse and more more and more terrifying and he's just there it. Yeah like to correspond. Yeah it definitely kind of hearkens back to the reality of like one day. They will not have their parents. And what did they do? When those kind of scary and Maybe Darker Times happen And it's like the embracing of Toronto really helps them get through it. Yeah and it plays for for the entire narrative especially okay. Well have a real quick question. I believe in the Fox version. It's sukey right. And then in the Disney version Taller Satsuki. Okay 'cause I like closer to the real pronunciation right. Yeah so in my mind I keep trying to be like okay which yeah. Yeah there's a character in Naruto that's named sauce gay and it's spelt Satsuki if you will get it but so to me. I've always been like those us and the ease every once in a while. Sometimes you gotta like our house trying to make sure I wasn't hearing things. Satsuki is the correct. Yeah no that makes sense I was. I just wasn't sure which one had had had witch but it's it's you know being able to make sure that you can take these moments and change them into something more powerful as something that sets has to learn by the by the end of the film but but losing her sister and the the gravity of all that comes to pass and then finding our and being able to get to their mom by the end of it is just. It's a really beautiful You know day to day but coming of age age story Kalem I. I don't have a favorite like seen per se. I know every maybe no I I am the type of person who likes the like on the back of the neck typist is. We have established for me. It's a lot of the smaller moments of like. May when she shows up at Satsuki school and she's like really upset and they're like they try and talk to her but she's like a four year old so she just has this like static face like nothing can deter me from by mission right now and like. I don't know the the little emotions that are put in their those. I think are my favorite part just parts in general of of just how anchor at those tiny moments really are too. Yeah well. He's like he's very good pulling from from his own real experiences. I mean you're eating that. His mom suffered from tuberculosis And that's where the moms illness came from this. And just being able to Kinda therapeutically talk about the things that he's been through in such a relatable way is one of his greatest strength. I mean you're talking about a movie that comes from a completely different culture and yet it's still hitting us in in the way he intended. Because it's about you know human relations rather than cultural changes. Let's go ahead. He's also said that like if he didn't grew up because the landscape this movie is inspired from his actually based on where he grew up So he said if he didn't grow up where he grew up. This film never would have been made. So it's it's I think to me. It's more of a love letter to his childhood a little bit. I mean transplanted at the beginning of the movie. Doesn't aren't they moving into the yeah? Yeah very from the city that they end up having to go to the hospital. Yeah Yeah to be closer to the mom that happened very very autobiographical on his point. And I mean like if is all takes place before in. Nineteen fifty eight Japan because he really wanted to include like no. Tv's technology. And I think to that point like you are being transplanted. And so like that's the thing about period pieces right and you can always kind of just like it's that one step easier to just be part of fantasy and I think that's a really beautiful thing that he does. Miyazaki was like he's so his ability to transport you to another time. Another place I think plays into his craft of like creating a fantasy gonNA compared to Disney. It's like it's it's a little bit more subtle it's so much more nuance it's a is also relatable. Because it's like it's pretty much based in reality it's based in reality and then their and then the the manifestation of these like all right cool in those parts of the fantasy ham happen. Yeah I I just love the my. My favorite scene is probably going to be that the tree growing in the middle of the night Just because it was it was just so fun to launch and and just love them like playing the acorn instruments on the top while like the data by the music and was enjoying it. Or whatever like that just was really cool magical seen and it was just like kind of breathtaking to watch that like Tree just format nothing. You know like okay. That's growing now. It was an interesting experience washing. Because I've I've heard. And of course seen like Totoro the character is such a mascot for Studio Ghibli and it's everywhere and I didn't. I didn't get the references I was like. That's a really cute character. That's neat now that I get to see it. It was an interesting experience. It's it's like those when you get to see something that you've I'm GONNA say missed out on like I just never never watched it up until this point and once I saw it I was like. Yeah I missed out. This is a really good movie this much. You all watch it. Prior to this day we we definitely have so many. Wash it young. I watched the Disney version like a while ago. But I didn't watch until like I was in college because I've watched like all the other music films except that one I had somehow avoided that one. Spin it for this spirit away. Magno Castle on the Sky Housman Castle but then like for this was like let me watch the like the first American. You know Broadcast version of it. And I watch that when I was like okay now. I can have a premise of life. Where you know lake to your point Jonathan Roles like your children have watched it and it was just like oh for sure so like now. I know what they experienced is what I experienced planning as it has as we're talking about it guy literally haven't seen it in maybe fifteen years and as you mentioned these things they they come flowing back bring the and something just came to me that. I remember vividly. I guess it was on the way to the House that they were moving into us. They didn't know anything about and they drove by but must have been rice Told us a story that we're leaving the city we're going to going to the country and it's it's going to be much quieter much. Calmer at what would they traveling traveling? trucks wheels definite unlike. The girls were hiding in in the back of the truck with all the stuff. 'cause music a moment where she's like. Oh no I thought that was a policeman. It's a mailman. The wave of overlying tragedy spelt there was were they moving there because they wanted poster the mom because the mom and they want to get closer to the mom and as somehow you do that without being told that. I I remember I mean it the music and just kind of the way. It's portrayed visually Kinda give you this field that something. It's not like super exciting now moving. It's not for some reason joyful. Exactly the kids are finding the joy in it but it's not that untold nature of like okay. Well we'll something must have happened to cause them to want to move from the city so in the house move into this broken down kind of like romanticize dilapidated house so you get that vibe right away before. Finding out that anything's wrong with your kids. I remember that I had been to Japan for a lot of the animation. I'm sure it's recognizable to Japanese people as a house that they would have seen a rundown place up the country or camp campus. Somebody's played by the late. That but had been had been writing the whole flop house but it had it had such a distinctively Japanese by to it that it was. Yeah it was interesting it away with a bad on yes exactly and the separation of the rooms that have slept shit was uninsured it was mundane to solve but to me as in America is married Yeah and the design the design. Yeah a lot with your with your daughter. Do you remember those details? If I if I may ask Jonathan do you know how do you remember a recall how you came across Totoro or even Miyazaki as as a director or this? This guy mentioned earlier either Laura yes. Edeka post production on the show recommended it. Okay at the moment I tried it. I felt like it was a gift to me. Could share it with my kids at a game of a real family favorite for I. I think that's why I responded to it. When I was a couple years ago. We DID LAST YEAR. Barreda though like I'll come back up you brought it up. I was like it was like such a left field. Frakes likes total is like at the end of the episode. You're like oh come back. If we talk about my neighbour. Totoro on the obvious comparison cute. Something must've triggered insured or something like that. Yeah the must've sugar. I didn't go back for okay. Mount well this. This is a movement with a dad with two daughters like. Are there any anything that you felt there? As far as like did you put yourself in the shoes of the dad sense because the data I think is my like. We'll talk about it soon but I think my dad has one favorite parts of And just how positive he stayed through the entirety. Unlike witting courage his daughters to sort of like back always have like he would encourage their imagination and courage. There like positive them like give them. Yeah didn't want to give them any can negative or harsh truths because they're sort of dealing with one right now so to speak so I think that was the biggest part for me is it is like coming back to back to the this is. I'll share this with you go. This is yes. I do believe I was influenced by and related to it yesterday. I've been saying. Yes to everything that I intrigued during this time and is today I had said. Yes to participate in a podcast about the art of father would know how our speaks the exact question you just ask as you described the dad assorted to remember him. I started remember how cool he was at the end. Really encouraged serve education. Yeah at a didn't envy never brought the drama of the sick white of the city when he got the phone call he said. Hey God inserted snippets moves by Nerd on. We got you miss the bus. We don't know what Casey's dealing with in the city in Africa back we all the daughter even when may is missing and no. You're still a calmness to the situation like they can't find her anywhere but there's still this like he's every almost because he has to be strong for his wife to even moving into that Shithole to beginning of the movie. It's okay with my food remedies effortlessly. We always comes to the part. Where they're they're all in the bath and they're all scared because of like the wind and then he like he starts. Laughing is the only way to get rid of something scary. Laugh at it and That's I think kind of almost like the thesis of of film where it's like. There's there's underlying darkness that two carriers are going to have to deal with them embracing like The the joy of everything is what helps in through an and said like the the importance of the little moments in like like. I think that the dad truly embraces life in a sense that the there's there's always a silver lining to be found. There's always some sort of joy to be found humor to be found. Even the tiny moments of yeah just for example of that two of win may they can't find may the first time where she's like goes off to see. Todo. You're finding out in the woods when the dad comes. He comes through the whole after Satsuki. He comes with maize hat on. He could have just been carrying it but I think that was a personality trait to be like. I'm going to be silly in. Wear your hat. We'll see you'll laugh to build off that when mays telling him about Totoro and she says you don't believe me and he goes no. I believe you're telling the whole truth and I think what you've met as the spirit of the forest and he's just kind of like you know nurturing their creativity in their growth because it's what they need in that comes later on because he says like he's himself when he's ready yeah and my favorite part is actually was thinking about a lot and I was like. It's probably when he thinks the tree because he's like this tree is is what kind of gave me idea to come here. And he could of feel like it's high on the voice of like you know places. And His. You know very environmentalists on teaming of of his films Really comes through. Because it's you're thinking the land your your your understanding that we as people could only control so much but we must always think the ground that we came up in and I thought that was just a very heart warming in and I think for children. It's super important and it's something that you don't see lot and just done in such a way. The tree doesn't have to have a face and we have to have this song and dance thing going on. It's just you're talking about like Zelda and other things too but I was like it doesn't have to personalize everything like and that could just be like you. Just thank the tree because the tree gave you this memory and to John is like it's like a gift to you and like you don't realize what the gifts are until like maybe a little bit older and the ceiling. Okay I wish to thank this thing and it's like that's the great thing I thought about. The film was It has a lot of good life lessons for children. I think they'll they'll come in subliminally. I think you're absolutely right. And one of them is the acceptance of the power of spirits at the end. The presence of spirits remind for some reason. It's completely disconnected to the tree. But I remember vividly. It was raining when they're waiting for the bus correct right. Yeah and they missed. The bus or bus didn't arrive on the didn't arrive on the first bus but on the bus were there. Was there a sketchy character? On the bus there is a guy they didn't give a face who might have seemed yes. Yeah Yeah Yeah. So he like comes off and they were like their dad that guy just leaves and then they're just kind of like they're doing solves for awhile feeling that kids get like. I don't know this happened to me a couple of hundred where you hold. Someone's hand thinking it's your mom or your dad. Look like Oh my God. That's that that scene just always reminds me of that feeling ever remember any of their faces. I just know it was. The wrong person won't just like had to get out of that moment. Well it also shows the small I. I don't mean this from a judgmental place but like the small bigness of a child's world of like they're on their parents their yeah their point of view and so anybody outside of that is just kind of like a a an amorphous thing. It's why the adults and peanuts are just want want want one not in my circle. The that I bus the one that got me the most was the the attendant who is like. Are you getting honor getting off? And then they're like right by like oh like that's hit. That hit me so much more because I used to take the public transit a lot to go to school patients for kids man and I was just like I need help. And then they're like where are you going? I'm like I don't know that's a moment. And then Tokyo shows up and begins jumping and on the the trees and it becomes this really beautiful joyous moment that they no longer have to be afraid of these books. These movies cost a fortune. Is Movies now. Yeah Not Showing. Any type of the does any type of animation is going to be very expensive. It's expensive Relative to the work I would say they're not one hundred eighty million dollar budget films but they are like couple million like in the single digit millions within the world of animation. His are and without also. I mean what's crazy significantly as expensive as other animation? That he just happened to have better for interesting are more. I think he our way. More lower budget compare also spends he is like painstakingly minute. He rendered the writer story board as well like there's involved in every step of the process. There's there's a lot of good youtube videos that show him in the process in like to your point of like in the beginning you kind of know already that there's some underlying like a not happy not joyous feeling because he's very deliberate and when he draws by standards and people like they should be happy the sun is out or they should be very calm because the wind is blowing And so he's very deliberate. Why does ever at a funeral like? That's how he he discussed with the other animators so he's very big on like we have to make sure that this scene exude happiness and like the critical pieces are very big or the set piece of very small competitive. Like what they're saying so Yeah it's it's like I would say if he's if there's not tour out there that's the one. Yeah he's the one what's kind of fascinating about this is the Colt Classic notion. Like this was. This was a failure at first feature. And it's crazy how big it has become now like it's I'm wondering on it. Yeah Yeah it's like connick and in its logo. That's how I kinda get is and it's it's fascinating to me that when it first came out it just. It was not received. Women's such as many many of my favorite greatest films of all time are not understood at first or you haven't received because my favorite movie. Yeah right yeah you get it? Yeah it's sometimes it takes time to think about and then a week later Yo. Oh my God. That was brilliant. I didn't know and so that's the tough thing. We're like a lot of people look at success at box office or critical review actual stay ability and I. Staying power is entirely. You know way more than we do staying powers which gives you immortal alike. Keeps you coming back? He keeps you alive and like like having people from different generations like you know were at a younger audience. We're talking about the same thing and we're being able to connect about the same thing right. Is He have an international following. Yes very much completely. Yeah he yeah there. I think there's actually a park in Japan the Jubilee Park where they've rebuilt the house from this movie Japan but I made worldwide. Look Yeah right but I mean they built it as a tourist attraction because just to come in. Yeah Yeah Yeah Does he actually had plans to make a Totoro theme ride? That's very much like the Alice in Wonderland ride where you go through the movie rides. Yeah I think they Jimmy shot it down because the producer was like well we have plans for a world ran so full hour but even here in La. Tom And I went to the comic con. La In one of the coolest cost as I saw was literally probably nine foot full costume tow drug with with moving eyes and ears and everything in gorgeous in twenty seventeen Sadam events. Did this tour. And they did a year of Jelly films and they would do a special world's two nights they would show one phil and they went through the entire gamut of like all the films and so a lot of people went to the intellectual that was probably their first time being able to watch it in a theater. Know Alive the Scott. Dvd ON VHS for the first time so yeah sorry. Do you guys think that will ever be back in the movie theaters. They will ever be back comic on. I think so. It'd be a baseball game. I I think it will just be different than we think. Like how to bring it up where it's like nine. Eleven happened. And then everyone's like are we ever. GonNa go back on planes. Will we ever feel safe again? You'll just be different and like this. Staying effect of what nine eleven did was adults over the or anyone over the age of thirteen? Have to take off their shoes. And that was the big change and so like how we change. It'll be like maybe just wear gloves in a grocery store it also change how we react to. I remember I was living in New York during swine flu thing. And just seeing how you know lazy-faire people were about it and hearing it hearing it and I was one of the folks who I'm a bit of a Germaphobe Lock myself and then I think moving forward. It's definitely going to be a big response to just edge on the side of caution with these things But I think on a long enough time line yeah. We're going to get back to to the days. I mean what was it? Mad Cow Right. I have a friend who was born in Germany and he is ineligible to donate his blood or do any type of thing donation wise because he was born in Germany during that time not even like he was who is go baby so I was like you know obviously but so so those things might just change documents might change driving's doing doing okay for a couple of DR driving any surge. I do really do drive. Ins are great because they do have those double features and that's a great place where you can watch them like or here's a new movie than also. Here's this like cult. Classic film that like Mu Magazine. The control your temperature where. I grew up the drive in did three movies. And you have a whole day ahead of me breakfast lunch and dinner right there. Yeah favorite characters favorite character and I do want to bring up something that all he brought up with the dad of his name in the original Japanese means masculine. And I think euro so it's very interesting to see like how the characterization plays into that because to the children that's what they're figures and to that point. That character is highly based off. I think His his dad his dad his own. And if you think about it again that autour baby this that's the guy that's the `aeronautics guy that's the guy who likes planes because in every one of his films is always shown that loves planes and you eligible for it is I mean. It's the Dad Dad's my favorite character. I just stay saying his his embracing of life like he's just I mean I love the fund that the the girls get into and the the granny's superfund because she plays into it as well. But the dad just I mean you gotta understand. I mean obviously I can't understand it but he his wife. His best friend is sick and he's raising these two daughters and he still able to embrace life and embrace their imagination and stay positive and even with her in the hospital. All he's trying to do is make her laugh and and that takes strength. I think that takes a lot of strength to be able to be positive and negative. So I'm right there with the judge. That's definitely my favorite character. I couldn't agree to. Yeah if I had to pick one of the girls makes me laugh the most The DAD is such a anchor through this whole story and he shows up exactly when he needs to to kind of guide them a little further and Almost like a spirit of his own kind of get guiding them to what they need as well. I'm still really from Future foes observation about Maya. Why this movie so I? I suspect going through this that that it was asked for me to be that. Good father no yeah. I think that that I'm working with imagine a nickelodeon now a nickelodeon all is aspirational. Elving want to do is create stuff. But the couple years go the characters in shock and and I think that subliminally subconsciously. Or in retrospect I aspired to be a father who had that cut sensitivity in. I've seen a great bar day. I've seen Jonathan frakes. The dad action so now. Let's talk about your childhood John. I've got some great advice from my father. Share them with you. Oh Never Order Martini. Chinese restaurant okay to know that was one of his first piece of advice that sound. That's very sad and when I was once over sharing about scores of pot upset my mother. My father looked at had said. Jonathan lied to her. You heard it here first. You heard it here. I can well the new series talk to the camera and Life Lessons John and Caitlyn or did you have different favorite characters. All these data for me. It's sad ski. Just because she she has a. I have an older sister. So and I feel like Satsuki is a lot like her. Where or vice versa should say where. She's got to like be the strong older sibling but sometimes the fact that she's still very young kind of cracks through because she yells at Mei but she does her like regret. It pretty much instantly house. Ron Breakdown Mike. Later right which I loved suggest showing that like both of these girls are very strong for for the age that they are dealing with a massive upheaval. They're moving they. They left other friends. They're already making new friends like they're making the best of it But they are still human and very little humans and for for them to be going through all of that and still like come out of it okay and positive was like I all about that. So I'll speak to that because I have an older sister and like when we moved was like going into high school or to junior high and she was like her in the middle of high school. So it's like a very you know. Emotional hormones are everywhere time. That's all saline. Yeah to that point where it's like. It is so like for someone like me watching it and watching kids moving to me when you're a kid and you're moving and leaving your friends. It was like probably the worst day of your life. It's so hard because You you you as a child you like. This is home and the idea of home kind of goes away but then with the film. Say like your idea of home as your people is your try and That's something that again like. I never grew up with that idea. and You know it's like watching this. This is a wonderful way so kids kind of figure that out and see that because at the end of the day like your family's which are really going to like be with you for you know as long as they can be Banning southern that my favorite here is actually granny mom because by introduces sits right so like I love. The idea of of the generation before the generation before us like having this connection to spirits and into this wisdom and knowledge But also like you know there's something kind of like easy to be said like they've they obviously know more than a child would know because they've been around longer and so like the point where she's consoling Satsuki. Why would your mother ever leave to beautiful girls like you Really hits me really hard and I. I just love that like. She teaches them. Like the the importance of you know gardening and then taking your your your own food. Wine them and then Eating the the four sequences and it was just like. Yeah if anyone eight these super healthy and like that again that positively in in a physical realm where I was like I. I really really adored. This character is with crispus cucumbers. I've ever seen him out. It's probably why it's always looks so food. An anime my wife up on this film and cucumbers are one of her favorite things in the world. Now that may be a connection there. Chris like put it in water for a bit to make your cold. That's like really smart for also washing off like any dirt and like that. So that's that's the way. Maybe that was what I did. There's a separate series Jonathan that we started doing called animated jour and we. It's like an anime themed afternoon. Tea Interview show up so I did a toto themed afternoon. Tea set and we had cucumber sandwiches specifically for that scene like the little seed pouch that he gives was like a mushroom burger. I understand all the references that repertoire. Back Josh. Same Sees Doing Josh Surely Shall we dare adventure into qualms? Yeah I mean. I'll be really quick. I don't I don't have a single Guam. There was thing that bothered me about this movie. I watched it multiple times like I was just like I missed out and so I was like I have to watch it again. This is so good it. I'll bring it up just so we kind of get a pal. It's a discussion piece right so the film didn't do well because even Higher Miyazaki saw this that there isn't quote unquote like in An antagonists or like evil for stakes like county rose journalists and so like he knew that like hey. This isn't going to perform that wall so we have to be willing to take the blow with it and so that's why it was paired up with grave of the fireflies when it. I got released appearing in a quote UNQUOTE. Box Office flopped. Say That's probably the biggest talking point where it's like if you're not really geared into watching something like this like it's definitely something that you have to watch through and then we want watch the second time you understand like the true purpose and meaning of the film because Yeah it is a little unlike other Hamasaki films were like. There's a little bit of like character. Wants this and is doing this to get to that. Here's going are placed here and we're GONNA see how they're through. It will have a negative or positive arc because of circumstances happening to them. I will us doing an episode on fruits basket. I think kind of prepped. Me In a sense to handle this kind of the slice aliveness slice of life storytelling type thing. Yeah have you Jonathan. Have you seen any other of the Miyazaki films? A spirited way. I remember spirited away. Was there any other like anime stuff? Like Japanese animation uses. This is a genre. I'm nodding knowingly but I'm I'm being educated. Let's talk about Pokomo. I'm glad to focus on phases over running for the Mike. I remember not mind remember. I was my kids part of teletubbies world. Oh Spongebob though. I was really grateful for Tokyo. I mean the nation of the art. Yeah you gotta see you kind of like a Michelin Star version of what those were Tiro. No yeah so to me. Yeah the only qualm discussion point to bring up to me. I think like if if anyone's watching and listening to this like if you're looking for some of the I want to hear the characters going through like not really willing to just kind of observe Then yeah that's your one qualm you'll have but like if you're a fan of the Miyazaki films and understanding where this plays and when you watch it like there's no qualms from here. Yeah it's definitely one of those things it's a little bit easier to go back and watch because of its significance against like pop culture and things like that. You're like okay. Well there's there's something here it's almost like a cheat sheet pop culture like cheating away like okay. Well let me go along that thing and you know maybe I'll stand the role of the things. We have to see as a as a pop culture nerd so to speak. I I mean I right like the thing is like if you're looking for something then like you may not find it and I think when you like to try them talking about it's like there's so much for everyone like whether it is the art of whether it's like the fun cute stuff in the bathrooms for the for the kids. The music is like super. Wonderful and Corey can attest to this when we when we were working in the warehouse like I was put on a playlist and be like. That's you'd always hear those same like notes from juveniles from yeah from Tyrrell's also that is like Super Fun. Like an that wasn't even story boarded sequence. Yeah I mean the music. This is another talking peace for me. It's just that that's like I mentioned before it gives you everything you need to know. If you were to take the dialogue out you would know exactly what that scene is trying to convey without without any of it and I mean that's the point of scoring but it doesn't always work out that way so to see it executed so so beautifully is is really really endearing very inspiring for sure as qualms go. I don't really have any I did have the opportunity to watch the Fox Tub and the Disney And my my only would be the casting in the Disney one. It just it doesn't for me Have that same children doing it all. It's control yea I I love the idea in. There's something in Miyazaki films that he gets right about kids And and if whoever's been in charge of cash stuff like spirited away where they have those moments where they are just kind of like loud because their kids. Yeah And I I didn't I didn't get that as much in the Disney film in it for me took away a little bit of the adventure of it. I guess or the innocence. The Disney one. I've only seen the Fox and so that's the funny thing just to talk about it like if you go talk to most twitter row to like it does have international appeal. Most people will just the the Fox version on the Disney version. Like they were able to both like a star studded cast like the MOM is voiced by Lisa. Longer and like. That's you know Milan in Jasmine and Like the DADS Tim Daly Melissa like I like I I really prefer I prefer. I really liked the included. Like these voice actors that I knew from the for the adults but I mean that's I think the the grain of salt with the children. It's like in the Fox version. The people who played the children were adults so they had more control over like when to High Pitch. Scream went to not high pitch. Scream where like The founding sisters like their kids so it's like yeah. I mean emotional the emotional weight. That's what that's what I was looking for. You lose some of the emotional weight that I think that I think there's Times where casting children as beautiful and it's wonderful and it really conveys something but this I don't think was one of them for me. Personally I I grew up on the Fox dub so I had a little. I've been watching the Disney deb just to like know both sides of the coin there And you know I think nostalgia wins over for the Fox stub for me. But I don't even they're even. It's not a qualm like I don't have a call for these things because it's just like this is my mole on the neck kill him. That's totally fair then. I feel like watching. This movie is like being outside on that perfect Sunday. That has a breeze like it's it's as Jonas. Jonathan was saying like when you think about this movie it flows back to you. It doesn't hit you smack in the face like Oh yeah that thing existed. It's like Oh yeah. I think it's because the reason. I don't really have any qualms because like the movie. It's hard to find part movie. You're not enjoying that's not game like is important to the movie in some way or isn't as fun and well done you know even if it doesn't serve the public as well done and it's fun to watch So so to me it. It didn't really have any qualms like that as far as that would take away from like the story telling you like that. I mean yeah. I didn't even see the dust. Once I guess I was spared from some of that but the yeah just really enjoyed. It's hard to. It's hard to especially after the cat bus. It was like this is going to be really hard to find something that I don't like about the fighting also like you don't even see Totoro until thirty minutes into the film so it's yes it to me. Also get into the Ma of the film when Ma we talked about in our spirit away episode where like there is a stillness a pause in Miyazaki films as well as Japanese animated films. Where like you know like in American cinema like we had to go like nothing ever feels like they need to breathe. If you watch like Japanese animated films it feel so slow in comparison But then there is that sense of like. This is a waltz. This isn't this isn't another. I met I accurate so invested in sister's kind of discovering what's important to them like every little thing is fascinating billfish fish little chapels little like a quantity found Enforcement is sprite sets. You know since presses writes coming into that of course is going to be like sensory overload for that so I mean I think it was fun to kind of go in that event that opening sort of journey with them discovering their new place. And like you know seeing e learning a lot about the sisters as is like their relationship to each other their relationship to like their father and things like that so the the movie has a lot to offer you before it even hits this titular character It up so he's just see Jonathan just like show no one last thing I would say. Yeah a few definitely meet this film where it's at instead of trying to meet you like you'll get more out of it. Yeah yeah definitely. Shall we go into rating Schorr so Jonathan? Since you're not normally with us for this part we'll explain it So we'll rate the film zero out of five five being the highest and whatever lower numbers the lowest and then Yes so you know. We're eating it. Went on a five point. Five five point five or four point five or four point nine five whatever But Do you do you WanNa do you WANNA go. I WANNA GO I. I asked to bigger so I'm a full five and we and we love that. You're here might be quick five. There's not a single thing I would change about this movie. It was. It was a wonder as somebody who is getting more and more into anime. And kind of the art form. A sense This is a five. It's great I love it. Yeah easily if five for me and yeah I mean a real discussion about Kailua was crying about to have on the show for a long time and then a my Miyazaki films so for me His Not Kiki I was GONNA say comparatively to other thing like I like subjectively. It's a one score objectively. It's neither score so objectively. It's a it's a five subjectively. It's a different score. What's the what's this subjectively to four point eight point because I think because to me I think spirit away as well as like princess-mononoke. There's different masterly Wade films. And like you know this his third film so it was like he definitely learned some things from here but like this what. This doesn't say. This isn't a masterpiece. Four Point Eight Men Korea. They had written down the same thing like you said it objectively. It's five in comparison to the Sea of films. But within. Its own containment of Julie Films. I think you know spirited away is my top one and this is this is inching towards a four point. Nine is my second with Kiki's so it's like fast and furious subjectively. It's like a four point five unlikely kemalist. It's like a three. I'm like it's great. It's wonderful fine but I'm like you know abjectly whereas the mastercraft of how the films made so Ali what's yours baby Mine it's it's also it's really hard to find anything wrong with it and we're GONNA need it again. His journey your for you here. Phase the For me it's five. It's there's nothing can take away from it. It would be unfair for me to escort lower. Y now even though Have to watch. Go back and unfair. I can watch modern okay but I was like you know what even if that is still my favorite like it like. I can have to five point zero jubilee on so it's acceptable in this scenario and acceptable to have a five point for diplomat. Seattle is going to say it's going to be your will be hard-pressed anything anything lower than that. I was GONNA say John. Now that you know the kids are all grown UP PRINCE ON OKAY. Out Say is for adults. Yes our adult worth checking out as one of the first ones I saw. Oh always throws. He freezed picture though. I know it's like that should be zoom background. And he goes walking away but he doesn't like he doesn't want to interact anybody. He's like no. I'm listening smile and the face traded you back almost almost we. We see you okay. We got we got you back. Thanks for everything yes thank you. I can't wait to watch the movie again. Now you for joining us again. A wonderful you guys inspired. I really appreciate the Thank you so much for joining us. What's the next episode? You're bringing your bro. Come back come back for I just finished couple episodes of a brand new show called the astronauts which is a Li- little kids who mistakenly get sent into space. Oh I'm what's that. Oh Yeah I'll let you meant. Leverage is coming. Back as the reboot fun. We'll have to be back as I definitely want to ask you some stuff about card definitely want to ask you some other work so we'll have you back on again. It'll be fun. I love it. Thanks guys thanks. Thank you awesome. Well everybody I hope you enjoy that. We certainly did at it. Was It happened very quickly? We don't Usually with guests we get a lot more lead time but this just kind so I'm so glad I did That was such a fun conference conversation with Jonathan. But now I believe is the time for Corey to reveal the Patriots on guests or GRUMP IRS. Nerd on nation has voted and we didn't have one gram. We had to me and Tom. So that means yes. The people who. 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Howls Moving Castle with Haneri

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Howls Moving Castle with Haneri

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Everyone everyone loves gypsy. Like seriously. We don't we come across anyone that hasn't found their Miyazaki film at this point I think today to day we are joined by a fellow lover of the animation Mecca across the pond by one of our coolest guests, which happens to be friends with one of our own it. Me gives you didn't know known around the world for being on the pioneer season of Singaporean. Idol her album desperate and coming out with her brand new single. Why didn't you say so hennery joins us to talk about howls moving castle. Big Topics. I heard explosions. So I ducked. Okay Anyway. Thank you so much. INARI. Coming on the show with us today to. WHO Having me, of course. Also at this time of the recording, you are in a different country. I am it is two a M. Over. For All rested having coffees. Red Bull some. Offi. Hurtful idea is this like really late for you though. it is I think as I've. BEEN MAKING MUSIC A lot. It used to be cool to stay up late and work but I realized that if I wake up early and start working early than I can sleep early and then wake up early it's it's just crazy phenomenon that having a is getting I've been trying to do that at my body just disagrees with it. Wow. Go to bed at ten and it's like, okay four can we? Can we make it in the Middle Right at four am that Cole. Inbetween No. Well, I'm sure it's also. I'm sure the different like with creativity like you you WanNa be awake when your brain is awake and doing the creative thing. Totally, I think also I just moved back to Asia from La but a lot of the people that I work with actually like writing in the day, which is nice and refreshing. Because we're all getting older but. I'm generally there may be a little bit of that more responsibility weakening but I mean also not to mention that America is very different from any Asian country. You'll be it because you know I think America loves to Romanticize the hard and struggle and all that stuff and like I if you guys ever tried the I think it's a Salvador Dali method where you sit and you have a key and you have a plate and then you stab you you kind of sit up and the moment like you start falling asleep you'll let go the key and then you fall into the play and then. And then so that part of your brain starts functioning in, it's the same part that starts dreaming. It's almost like rem rem sleep, and so that's when you start writing. And I was like that sounds like the most brutal torture. Basically hacking your brain. Yeah. At stuff I'm going to go try it. To this I'm. GonNa. Go to key over. An. Hour. I've done it once or twice and being like you know there's some crazy stuff baby but you know I've read them. It's good to be creative at like at night like I've read because the world is so quiet like it's much more quiet at night and like I've even read like the Golden Hour like when it's like. Like four three or four or something like that when the ghost come. Yet but I've creative both say that that's the best time to write. That's also when all the horror movies like in their world. That's when they start. Have you seen? I think in Asia I live with my family. So there's never there's never it's never quiet is. GonNa get and that's because my sister moved out and my parents are old so But. I love you if you're watching this. Three times. What I'm doing tonight I was like forget about it don't worry. Conversation. So we how do you know this question for both of you? How do you Caitlin and Harare had you guys Know Each Other? How did how did this happen? You WanNa tell it. I would I would love to your your perspective on how things Well I was on this website one I'm kidding I'M Right. Right and it was right. But no I really I joined this recording studio in La when I started working when I moved to La at the end of two thousand sixteen and I had been working there for a while and I think I think I was on tour when you? started. That's right. Yeah. Because they needed like they need a little extra help. So I was just there kind of sort of tempest and you were there for like a Christmas party that I know. There were photos of everywhere quiz disco. I never met her because she worked weekends or she worked when I wasn't working. So therefore, we never met and then when we did it was like. I'd just ask for Caitlin was all the time. Electronically everywhere, the energy swirling. GLISTENED SEATTLE EACH OTHER And I had to I had to draw you. What is it? What? What do they say? Absence makes the heart grow fonder. Fact. That's there wasn't on the other side of the world. So I miss you forever I know well, we've it's. Roper, I, feel like we didn't see each other a whole lot when we both live delay. And now that you're in Singapore, I talked to you more I think now than I did when. I was in limbo so like when I left en- CAITLYN will know because she into other girls at started when I was on tour I would be like I don't work here anymore but I was there almost every day for another year because I wasn't sure. Kind of being a manager sometimes kind of doing the front desk sometimes ages call me 'cause I couldn't do anything else. So they can you come in on like Nothing better to do. In tour you know. Yeah. Well, in between toward, you just have to force yourself to write when you're not working. Ignominy. Important thing too I, think you know a lot of people are like. This time to eat dedicate this time to go sleep. But then the writing aspect is very like people that you have to just muse yourself into it. But if you don't dedicate your, you know your diligence to to right. Then sometimes, it just never happens Tom's point. You. Ever Want. The money beat everywhere you. That's perfect. When you when inspiration does strike when it's like the quietest, it can possibly be whenever that moment is. Then I just right bullet points and nuggets of whatever my brain is thinking, and then when I'm stuck I, go back to it but. It has helped me for for the most part till maybe about two weeks ago I've been kinda stuck. Heart, block and that's fun. That's why I think voice memos her so magical I'm addicted to making voice memos just to myself like remember this line remember this. Yeah. For later even for. For me as a songwriter when even a word like if I hear a word that is used differently or something like that on like Oh that's a really good like or even like a title of a song or like I he I think of a rhyme or something like that like he's like I'm going to try to rhyme this cucumber. To rhyme with. I recently did it on a Jack box game so it's not possible. Well. Edge details. You gotta you gotta you gotTa, find a way. How can I? Like. To talk a lot of smack. So I was like I'm going to rhyme something with cucumber in the fire that's my only you know impetus to do that. Writing Prowess though. I'm sorry what? Challenges Bone. Cucumber. But but speaking of writing prowess, that's that's Kinda like how we met. But like up to that point, you were on tour for music. So maybe give us a little. backstory on on where you've come from musically speaking. Very great linkage. Say Glazed Ham Fisted I see it. I, go for it. Well. I've been in my whole life. My Mom said I you know it sounds really typical but I stand before I could talk or rather I sang and talked. talked. and I you know. I have a little sister and she wouldn't fall asleep unless I late with singer a book and so I make melodies and I just love doing it and it was a big part of how I express myself. 'cause I'm Asian so you know we thought Oh Well the day that I could express it like appropriately was to do it in song and you know so that's kind of where I started in than I was on TV show when I was sixteen and that's where I started in Singapore. And, that was a long time ago. Then I moved to the states and I went to school at Berkeley and then I lived in New York for a while came back to Singapore, and then lived in La, and now I'm back in Singapore but making music the whole time. And you've you've. Kinda hopped all over the place with like working with different artists on cool projects. You work with like Freddie Wong on something you had you organise I mean some of your music wants to killer was in a personal item of Mine One foo But she also works with you also worked with producers for with like Itchy and Rehab I didn't actually work with BG. Collaborators producers. Right. I well. So he had this thing called you X. issues. So he wanted to get people to collaborate with him on his next single, which marketing wise is genius but he put out a chord progression for like two months and let people submit their kicks their snares there since whatever and then this duo this production duo Canadian production do that I was working with I. Don't know why that's important but anyway, you have that information now They wanted to do like Like hijack I I. Don't know a bootleg version omit so they released it at eleven thirty before he released it at midnight I sang over that but it got so big because people thought that thousand real. You saw over the real true story. Yeah. That it went viral and everyone thought that that was the song I don't even really I think I liked the. Song, but it went out everywhere and I was in the states But like there are a bunch of magazines and newspapers that world that I worked with Itchy and I was like, oh my gosh how do I fix row? Go. Bad Marketing. That was the neither confirm nor deny. Athlete denied it down etc.. Is a traditional media's In just talking about music as well. You're you. You know I was kind of introduced the world You know with Singapore, idol I don't know if I'm saying that. Yeah Yeah but then it was as a Daphne Khoo right breath name. and. So you later changed to. To be able to write about, you know deeper things and not stick to one particular Jonah because you felt that the name would allow you to reset as well as like be able to give you a new place where he can. Write things differently where in so it's it's a Hawaiian translation of your. Chinese name. Yes when I was thinking of what I sing with a pretty neutral if not American accent I mistakenly Elliott but I sing with the. You're hiding it pretty well. We have a couple of shots and you never know. Wasted that's ozzy wasted. So when I get there, that's like the. Idea what I'm I don't even know what I'm saying at that point. But. So I wanted the name to sound Asian 'cause my English name is Daphne and the No. One can pronounce my last name and like Kay hey joe is pronounced Kuh some people pronounce it co- or. Who I don't know I. I met some Cho's only. I've met with only one. So. It's like how? How special I don't know I mean, and then when you when you say coup than people are like Ku or HBO, they don't know how to spell it. So I figure why not just like revamp it and I'd wanted to 'cause the music that I made when I was sixteen in the music that I made when I like a decade later little children and Young. person. Totally. Different person different colored hair different Experience. In know. Let's say. More. Importantly. That's. That's crazy. That's that's really interesting because I think. For me as a filmmaker artist Blah whatever. Going I've always went by Tom Because. I always want to make people's lives easier. and. Then more and more as I get older and I think it's I. Think this is like every Asian artists goes through the same kind of thing where it's like I just want to be accepted and then it's like but I also WanNa be then also later on they grow and they're like I wanna be me and people are going to have to understand that and then so like you going into closer like it's a way that you identified your own name in a way so that other people can see a for me like if I went by my real name, I'd be like, Nah? No one's GONNA understand. No one's going to be able to pronounce his at all it's Harry is not my Chinese name is just is the name my grandpa gave me, and then I translated it to like eighty different languages and I mean I was at the village when I did. And I would just write down the ones that like in my free time. When I had like a minute to spare O. keep translating it in writing it down I still have the photo of the piece of paper where Harry Miliana was. So my GRANDPA named me which. Let's be Real E is not a superstar name. Let's I. Mean. It sounds like a letter e E. Also. Means a one in Chinese. So it's just it means a million things number one number. But this particular e. Meant hundred, million because my grandma wanted. All into always have, which is the goal hundred million you know it's not is there any pressure with that though? I mean if there is completely ignoring it, I mean. My my my Asian means always victorious, and then my last name means like the most beautiful Chris cut diamond y'all I can't. Exactly. You're inside. I guess I'm like I'm like the worst like I've said this one's I'll be very short like I was a monk for awhile but I'm like I'm the worst person to be among so. I. AM. My name is my name is Gaelic for the hollow tree where a raven lives. So what do I have? On my shoulders, right? Yeah. There you go. Perfect. I like. You. Guys. This. Is What it is. You know whatever tree with a raven cool. You also say that you. was going to say Ravens are singing birds. So that's also. A horrific, it's also my favorite bird. So it works out just fine. I'm happy with it. No complaints no perfect diamonds for me. That's so e. which are grandfather named you? Yes and then. Million and you know then Hawaiian, it's scenario Miliana so I went with Canary. and that's just the new alias which I like in. It's still me. It's very asian-sounding. It's I'd be fool if I said. I would be a fool if I said that people can't make a mistake with his name because I thought, it's very like you sounded out hunt. Naree. But there's also like cannery on Nari I've learned over the past three years. There are many ways to mess up the spelling pronunciation of Mary So. There's a will. There's an idiot around. A lot of different perspectives I can tell you how many times have been called Corny and I can't believe that yeah I mean in high school and I said. Yeah corny powers. Is. A key appeal Iran Jake Day. quelen denies. All. So I mean you you've been able to tour around. A lot of countries around the world in in such like a you know I don't want to say like such an early age, but like you know. It's an experience I think most of our listeners aren't familiar to But one thing I do want to think that the familiar of is embarrassing events in your. Life. And in an interview did say that one of the most embarrassing events that ever happened to you on TV or on camera was when you were running on a stage and it was a fully wack stage bell wiped out. and your mom caught it on camera has anything been topped since then? I told you deep dives probably nobody this was this was bad like that one was bad. It was I was super enthusiastically running across the stage. Ills. I'm a super tomboy, but I learned how to do it for the stage and my mom has my little camcorder where's My mom major, she would come and. Take care of me during the shows which was awesome. Course literally want like I reviewed it because I was trying to digitize all the media in the house. It's literally watch me go across the stage and then my mom for some reason zooms in and I. Assume in. Zoom. New exasperated. I'm sure of Oh. I don't know if I can talk about this is or whatever So a couple of years after that I mean I never wanted to talk about it because I didn't think it was bad but then I realized the footage a couple of years ago and I was like, ooh. Hype it up. There are many events where my mom should not have been my fashion adviser 'cause looking back. That was bad idea. Day I was doing a show and she was like I usually want wear that and like. Are you sure you want to give fashion advice? I have documents in. Or teen years old what was that? One they is. Like. Okay. Fine. Whatever. But. I'm already so embarrassed I already started telling this story, but I will finish it. So there was a variety game show they wanted to do something like the Japanese variety game. Yeah. Yeah. So one of them was it's Kinda like the one where you have to do the shape and. Stuff like that and I was young. Okay. I was like you know pre knowing about my body type situation and I didn't realize that I just had the wrong bra on the phone. And Ono no-one reviewed it, and now I know why? Because it was probably really uncomfortable to watch. Own No. We get. Soaked with water. And Really you know. Area. Where where was this at this thing? No. It's okay. You'll ever be able to took a down traveling. This is. This is this is where I come from like I'm pretty big on like if I see somebody like a, they don't WanNa probably be remembered or seen that way like you know sometimes underwear rides up sometimes flies fall down sometimes straps come around. Hey I'm looking out no one did that you know homeys to help you all around. I'm sure it's one of those things where like when the show already started, it's like almost impossible to pluck you out of. Saying. But. Between. Stations. A girlfriend would have been. Hey. In have. Appreciated somehow and only only one person really told me about it when the show had aired. and Oh. I didn't know if he was trying to like make a move or whatever but I was very awkward with boys at that stage like. I mean it's hard for mean. In the positivity if they're like me. Like how do you bring this up? You know it's like, how do you let them know? Hey, I'm just trying to look out but also if there And it's like it's already up there I don't yes or they're creeping never seem again. So. Well on the other side of the coin know. What what's a time where like in your writing and your performing lake so there's like mass embarrassment that we've just covered, but there's like there's a moments of. Drink or inspiration or feeling really in the flow with like your music and your process. Is there a time of that? You remember that was in front of an audience or like just writing privately like? I. Think. I've had a few of those moments I'm really grateful for them, but I think the greatest story for me for my life so far hopefully, there are more but I remember watching Gloria Estefan sing reach for. Sin Like Nineteen Ninety, eight or something I don't know but I remember being so inspired by her. Doing at and I like I WANNA do that one day like I want to do that I told my whole family I was like I'm going to do that and they're like okay yes sure. This week. Verbatim. Almost swell. Probably an uncle but anyway so twenty years later when I had to move I moved back to Singapore because I wrote I submitted a song for this thing called the Southeast Asian Games, which is like Stieg, which is like the Olympics or Southeast Asia's all this show. And They were holding it in Singapore for Twenty fifteen in two, thousand thirteen they had already started getting to write the theme song, and so I was still at Berkeley. In Boston and my mom was like Oh check this out. You should do this. You should do this because you know my mom is like my mom and. Yes cheerleader monitor all the way. Mom can do it. So she yeah, I wrote the song and I my boyfriend at the time produced it. He's an incredible producer and we submitted it and then a year later they were like we got so many great submissions. We're going to put it all into an album, but we have three theme songs in You wrote one of. Though that was like my moment and they wanted to get a really big artists to sing it at the opening ceremony that she was too expensive. So they're like you. Know. I think for a the biggest audience I've ever is the stadium held fifty thousand people and that like walking out that moment I was like. I did it. Did it is done. This. League. That's crazy. That's awesome. That's amazing. Done here. Do. More I'm assuming just like. there. Really was Kinda like. I'm done now for a while. I still reader I've been stalking as an independent artists for all seventeen years. I've had. Just come in and help. But done I've done everything myself from graphic design to marketing writing the copy to. Everything the opted. You like I needed a little bit of a break. We put those duties between five hundred and I'm exhausted S. yes I mean we're you're like a powerhouse human I mean with when you're an independent artists like that you you have to I'm sure your your skill set is very wide because you're like I don't know how to use photoshop but I'm going to learn and I don't know how to write copy for marketing but I'm GONNA learn. Appearance sent me real. Nice 'cause they made me get A. A mass comm degree like immediate rule, right? Oh I pretty much had dipped my toes in like beginner courses for everything. Wow, that's up. and. Then Youtube you know to graduate. College that's that's that's like the the Nice version of my family. They're like it will never happen and then like I was like I want to study all this media stuff and then start doing film stuff and then there's like You sure you still want to do this. So I mean like I've had to do similar work I learned this baby I got learned but we're we're also hearing a little bit talk about your you have a new single coming out And all of the. Mounts of Internet that I had to scour through talking about burning up and was talking about like the your perspective on abusive relationships and how it's not always one sided and that kind of came a little bit of with your with with the earliest change What what what can you tell us about this this new single So definitely becoming Harry in 2017 was like a really big deal. I. Wanted to get as much press as possible because I knew if I didn't nobody would listen to the new music. So I wanted to make sure that because also because this song meant a lot to me, it's I. Don't really talk about any of my relationships really to publicly I'm. Mostly single both of the time. But But I have been in this situation more than once and I talked to a lot of girls about it and I'm also a cancer survivor and I talk about that a lot too. So I wanted to talk about the things that were hard to talk about because in. Asia, we just don't. We don't talk about PAP smears. We don't talk about health. We don't talk about anything that means anything as long as it can be conversation that can be quickly wrapped up that you can talk about that. But if it's an open ended conversation where we have to get uncomfortable. Never happened so I wanted to be Asian and get uncomfortable with people. How So burning up was like a fund. Sad way of talking about abusive relationships in how people get addicted to it, how people stay in it and then the next single fuel right? which actually when like viral did really well, I did not publicize much but it was just about me hating living in L. A.. It was just really honestly sometimes. Yeah I mean I loved it was it was like the greatest of my life but I was miserable a lot. I was so miserable I and lonely I got a dog which I'm very grateful for noble of my life. Yes. In sitting a little ball. Exactly. And after feel alright I did a song about falling in love with my dog not in that way no rendering pet owners do. Owner look I'll give my cabinet if no one else and it doesn't mean anything better dangerous trying to get the look out of them sometimes, it doesn't work. No be won't they look back they do they know it Yeah I was having a conversation with a friend the other day she has this like teacup poodle that her mom like spoils and she. Named her dog rabbit don't ask me why were. Asia's. There's no question. So she said, have you ever tried with your dog to like pretend to die and see if she comes to? You like rabbit doesn't care now my girl just been snowball and me for so long. As so much shed a tear she'll be like what's wrong Dog and then I did it one too many times like bullshit. I know this. I've cared too many times you've burned me. How dare you sir it's my own fault. I. Hope I never get to that stage. So the single that came out right before. The one that's coming out was called I don't WanNa love you and this whole I, call it the million a era because I kind of flipped up the or turned up a notch on the retro vibe and it's super. DISCO FUNK UP. Donald Sterling it really fun sauce on it. But it didn't seem appropriate or it it didn't feel like a good time for it to come out when it was supposed to come out because of all the stuff that world it'd be talking about 'cause reasons have. Because because. World. And make any a lot of other things. But. Yes Oh, I talked to my team and by team I mean the person that helps put out the music and she was like. I think it's time I. Think you can I think people need music that makes them happy again. Yes. Oh I have. Can I swear? Verka okay. Yes. So this song as well fuck boys. About. A friend who you know we didn't talk about what it was. We were doing and then just got but her that we didn't talk about it and I was laying I didn't you say so Okay. First of all, do you know yourself burn up talking about abusive relationships and how we get into them now to fuck I feel you're attacking me and we don't even know. What I've done we were supposed to. Hang out. You'll read I feel. That's awesome. An Hour I'll be one, hundred percent honest. I was listening to do desperate album and listen to all your music on your youtube channel and I'll just like. And so it was interesting seeing your progression and how it went to and I think you've talked about it world's Kinda like you wanted to talk about deeper things. and. It just resonated with me because you know your earlier stuff you know is. A little light hearted. There's some popping to a little a little a little A. Little Christina Aguilera I. Hear I. Hear a little of me in the nineties. Thousand, but I was made in the eighties so. And then now going into the deeper stuff. Yeah like I think it is really important especially, 'cause. Yeah. Asian people are really weird and they don't like talking about deep stuff. So I think it you know the Asian people that do WanNa hear about it and that's the thing about Asian audiences like they're loyal. They're writer dive ab it's crazy. So I thought was really cool. Yet will. I will. You have a you have a very dedicated fan base I mean you're looking at one of them right now. So I read the comments I see all of and like you gotTa make an Acoustic version. You gotTa make an acoustic see all those. I I'm grateful. I also wanted to shout out to my Asian heritage though because I feel like I need to state for the record that I am in a position where I'm privileged to talk about this stuff I mean there are a lot of cases where girls for my generation. Had it so bad that having your own thoughts is not allowed. You know that still happens a lot and it confuses a lot of people and that's why I want to make sure that no one grows up in that kind of society even if the people you look up to or telling you that that's not okay I, want to at least be there possibly slapping back and be like it is okay. You do you. Think it's important because no, this hasn't been represented in my culture or in my age group or reached out to me when I was younger. So I mean I'm very big on that because I the way I grew up is already privileged. So I can't imagine what being even more emotionally stunted would be like. So yeah, I won't name names but yeah, I definitely have those experiences with these people I grew up with. And it's it's definitely weird because I gonNA steal this line from Avatar the last Arab under where it's like if you're re rivers of wisdom our only from one source and you're not allowed to explore different ones, then you become rigid and everything tends to just break around you and it's it's it's it's crazy and I think it's a little you know high brow but it's like I've seen what exactly what talking about where? There's a lot of social and traditional dogma that happens in Asian communities where your parents say this one thing and you're not really allowed to form your own opinions and whether they're quote unquote wrong opinions you're allowed to release, explore falling your, but then come back and be like all mom dad you're right but then There's just so much fear and there's a lot of just. Kind of control in a way and I think I vibe with that where there is a privilege of being an Asian person allowing to feel that you're an open book or you're allowed to express you are because you know you know beyond Asian people there are things or you can't you're not allowed to feel. Like that happens with men and masculinity but that Is just a different conversation when it comes to Asian people and also comes with different conversation about Asian women. That deeper layer every time you go in and add the facet to it so. And I do think that a big part of the problem was that it's not even part of the conversation. It's just like not it's avoided. It's skipped. It doesn't exist. It's like how what did he say? No. I mean talk about mental health. This Know. Just gave you're just you're just tired go drink some water sleeping. God It's like Oh you hungry. You're here. Let me make you something. Telling your parents that you have an emotional issue or like a mental issue it's like telling them you have a fever. They'd just like I can literally like no lie you might evoke. If you. Off you'll be okay. That's how my dad is but my mom has completed one, eight hundred, and so at the moment I'm be like. Had A bad day at work and then she's like I'm so sorry I like Joe Yo Yo Yo. This is normal. I need you win when you have the two extremes. Data like well, just tell me about your day. Yeah I. Mean My dad would be like the person like if I cried watching movies crimes for girls. CARE. Turrell. With them yeah. My mom would be just like she. She's always been like she's like you and I are the same like we're hard on the outside but like a feather on the inside if someone touches. Donald. Just. Like Mom Don't put that on me don't put this evil on me. So don't you put that on me Ricky Bobby? But I do WANNA ask a little bit are time while you're Asian heritage We did talk about this individual Green Room. What is your way to politically correctly ask someone what their ethnic background is if they're Asian I well I. Actually this works on all ethnicity or. Attic. Notes, kids take notes, hurt I always ask very politely it's also a good way to open up a conversation. What is your ethnic makeup? Saying Hey did you take twenty three and me? That is that You can ask that to anyone, but it's not like. If I mind if we're in trade notes, mine is Flavor you baby this. Flavor you baby I don't think. Obviously, I'm bill every situation. I'm not I'm going to you're not just white. What flavor you, baby. That's how I am because I'm like we're just talking about corey, Josh Nyerere like white bread. No, you're not just white. That's just denaturalization blake arson. I have our hands over our mouth. Got Josh Jason. What flavor am I got a little bit again it's There's some there's some Jameson McLean. So. Irish, there's Irish Oh, just go by. Yourself. Also. World, the world is a buffet. So. Important. You. Just ask describe what alcohol your made up of and that's not offensive. I'm Barbara came in with the good politically correct one at Thomas leg? No. If you were a food, what would you taste like? Okay look but also cultures connect through food and also Like you know one may not like tomatoes so on May not like mushrooms but we all like food at some different levels like so it's like what's your cuisine baby? You know me like? I'm a lot of southeast. Asian. Joey true beyond eat it. One hundred percent when he did. The ethnic make. I would say because like I'm thirty one flavors of Asia Pizza. But now that's that's that's how I gone but you know I'll take take yours. What is your ethnic makeup? I think that's a good one. especially if you don't know the person that well fair that's fair but I try to stay away from that question. Exotic. Yet earth good. Yeah. Big. I just love the responsible I'm tired. Oh I love pat towns like has nothing to do with me but that's cool. I showed up to your home not what I said. I love macaroni and cheese man best. Shot at home asocial. CASSEROLES. TATER TOT CASSEROLE I really wanted to us. No one does them here That's a crime there super easy to make I. Know that. I believe in you. Scratch from scratch. You just need. You just need like potato achieved greater and like that's it and patient in potatoes are really affordable at least in the states. And other places but. In Singapore where a little island, we don't have any natural resources except for people and we just keep getting more people i. don't understand why Oh, maybe stop being a beautiful place and you won't get any people. That's true. Good point solid. Cool today. So going back to the questions real quick. I WANNA go back to music. So. Are you a as a songwriter. Are you a music's I a music I or lyrics I kinda writer. I'm like a feelings. I selling. We feel feel like you know we wanNA fuck boys. So you're constantly like what it's about. Yeah. Sometimes, I, bring in concept I sometimes it's just like going through voice notes and seeing what clicks. If it's a collaboration than listening to a track or going through samples and. Seeing what feels good you're actually of collaborations start with like hour-long talks and the best hooks come from conversation you know talk. I can only think of Charlie Poussin. Then never ending story I mean wouldn't you say that that's a that's what Chuck Palahniuk says the writer for Fight Club is saying like if you have a good story, then you bring it to people and you talk about it and if they're able to add onto it because they resonate with it then you know you've got some good. I also recently was talking to another friend about collaborating in this just visual idea of like this sphere of an emotion, right like because we don't have all the names for all our feelings. Thank. Chinese. Would just be like Oh. My God. What do we do? Is Holding Ingrid. Anger one word. Five different types of Chinese characters to. Roll my goodness. Like this one thing that's a feeling that. That can denote like different situations, but can create the same feeling and I think when you're writing with other people, they look at it from a different point of view in an look at it from a different point of view if we can write that sphere in as much detail with as much Jin, Genera journey wearing general, but also specific then we can you know help other people experienced that emotion while we're writing it and when we performance. So that's like beautiful idea of collaboration it's specific to you could be general and almost allegorical where people can take their own interpretations Oh yeah. Yeah. So. It's a pretty amazing phenomenon that songwriters experience where you write something you can write something so specific to yourself and yet other people are like I, had this experience in that song reminded me you're like, oh I didn't know anyone else did that. That's great. That's awesome. Yeah and I WANNA do one or two more questions before we jump into the half of the show But one question is, this is something that I'm really big on I tend to be like the the friendly grumpy person amongst my friends and I always tell people that they should try to experience more things and since you've been around the world in facets at people again aren't familiar with you've probably also have listened to musicians like American audiences have not heard of. So if there is one or few, you could name the top five or however you want to go but. That American audiences would would not have heard of that. You know of that would open their avenues to that well who they be. What that. I had to see live or just people that I've heard. So, there is a Japanese artists called you e. and she's an acoustic artist. She just mainly sings plays Guitar She's probably would have one of my favorite artists. A lot of my inspiration come from Japanese music A beautiful thing about Japanese music is that they never repeat a chorus like they have the same melody yet they have just all different lyric like incredible journey that they take you on and I might have started with. Watching, anime and you the opening songs and the end songs, my sister and I we big Ami Fan. So we would sitting them in the car and look at the lyrics and the meaning and figure out what they meant and just be baffled by I'm really interested in the science of songwriting as well. So looking at different formats and how it affects people and why it affects people that way the Japanese format is so interesting because. Back in the day, like the old songs are a lot of them are very Bob Dylan. Universe inverse reframed. It's all this. It's all story this beautiful story that's being. Like Sung out and played out expressed by. But so you we is an artist that I love. Another one is this duo Japanese duo call do as infinity Oh. Yeah Ending sings. Yeah. That's how I found them to. New. Music out. So they're like going like. There's still. There's still killing it. Actually I can't say that for sure because I haven't heard the new stuff et fernow fought I told me that they still doing it. Doing to. They do with each but they're still making music for sure. Just went. Best. Phrasing here. I just in case it was on purpose. I appreciate it. I. Have. I lived in Australia for a while. So I went back to Australia before I moved to the states and there are a bunch of really incredible. Australian artists it actually blows my mind how much you know there are a lot of Australian artists that make it big in the states but for all intents and purposes, a lot of the Australian music industries stays within Australia. So strange I mean the are big enough and I think rich enough and big enough population to support their industry But yeah, and and I almost gave up music when I stayed there because I was like. Oh. So. Yeah. I used to play. I think we all have someone's always going to be better than you. Reality try not to though try I try to be the best you know we got gotta learn if you are the best, there's nothing left to learn how sad with be altered. Than the best, how do we better than I was yesterday there's time with the diamond on the inside. I think it want to always be innovative but. Whether we like it or not. There's always going to be someone better. Hopefully I'll pass on before that time happen. I just want to see it happen I don't WanNa see the fall from grace. Can't be the best year like at the end you know I've seen it all and because you want to better yourself all the time. So. When I was in Australia, I, used to waitress at a cafe and then play open mics at this bar called spleen and I'll never forget it because we have no idea where it's called lean for a but I would play there and the guy that ran it. His name is Tim. Had it while we were talking? That? Create this John called Goblin Corps Oh more guard Jolly Caitlyn. Ease incredible. So He. Got Find His name for you but Tim Goblin court at Spleen. Dot Com. I have so many interesting noises, spleen I. I'm just like an adventure at heart. So like I'm really glad that I left home when I did I miss my family a lot. But I'm back now in my thirties fueling. If you go to a place called spleen, you'd have nothing but adventures. Endless chicken spleen. Early Adventure. was an I could only go over eleven and when I finished my shift. So it was just all you know midden midnight story. Living life that's living life, and that's how you're able to write good art. You know because you experience things and you go through walks of life that people different perspective here about you know. Yeah I had no fear at the time because nothing too bad had happened to me yet. You know The for that but. Yes I would walk com is killing me that I can't think of his name we're GONNA wind. Yes Wow, you're fast the Internet of. Yeah Goblin Corps. So he would like shred on his guitar and slap it even like played tennis with it in the middle of the show. Yeah he was amazing. I thought he was just not human I just his Goblin. I've watched the last. GonNa I've watched some I'm a singer songwriter as well. Have that past and sometimes I, play my guitar and I'll watch other people play guitar that are just unnaturally good like I've seen somebody go play the guitar and they just pick it up and because they know other instruments, they know how to play it. There's a language. I'm done. It took me by whole time through college to get here. And you've just went. In. You don't here's the thing though know that it took them their whole life to get to that point. Other instruments. A The, the time that they took to imagine you trying to learn Japanese and someone's learned like Chinese and Thai and Vietnamese and Korean, and they're like, oh, I understand this kind of language and they pick it up and it's like like well. but also just better young. My mom says. If you're if you know you're not good at it like and you really want it then maybe it's just not meant for you and you do the other thing because there is going to be something that you're incredibly good at you just have to find it then. Maps Yeah. There's quite a I'm. I hate and so like all right which the one that I'm going to like one last question before we talk about howls. You've talked about surviving cancer and also going in theme of talking about things that are uncomfortable but it's important and it's like creating the space in order for us to normalize having these conversations. How has you know you volunteer with Singapore Cancer Society How has you being? So Open with your journey created a conversations with your audience. I think. At a at a time for a time rather It was all anyone wanted to talk to me about and I was like bawled for a year so I can blame them. It's really obvious. When I was in Singapore I, help it because you know I put out a single that was about overcoming obstacles Assam that won't be used in their short. And it was I'm lucky because my mom had survived cancer ten years before I. had it. So I would volunteer with her a lot when we would give out stickers to. Raise money for. The breast, Cancer Society or other Cancer Society's she counsels cancer survivors are people that are battling cancer, and so she was really a role model for me going through it and passed it it made me not shy at all. It's talk about the entire process. If anything I wanted to make myself available to anyone that went into, ask me anything about it in putting that song out in being very public about that journey actually. Led to really meaningful conversations that I had with people that I wanted to have because I think prior to that it was just was like a pop singer and you know whatever? But from. Then I had people talking to me about their parents having cancer or them going through some kind of illness and it was I felt like I was able to do my. To make music about that and to talk to them about what it was, they needed someone to talk to about in. You know aside from all the other creepy or mean things that people say to me like this is what it's about being able to create that safe community or give someone a safe platform to just spill their guts and feel okay about it. So that was really nice and it made me feel like I'm doing the thing that I meant to do beautiful. Yeah. If anything ads like more weight to the purpose of creating or in expressing, being able to find a route where people can express themselves because now that it just has a another another layer, another dimension evolved side to essentially. That's awesome S. finally a cat because she just did that for me with you guys. Cat as a as a WHO's counting. Okay. If you're. Look at the studio. So we had to call a cab I like know that you're from the music industry if you call me cat. Without now. I mean. I see I see. Okay. The Internet Caitlin is act. What is your handle makeup? All the different. What is now? Makeup. there. Okay. All right. But now all switch to. Moving Castle. So you kind of this movie, right? The. Is My top five tiny like John Laura. So let's talk about you a little bit when when when was your first time watching it? Was it was it sub tells the story I I think in Asia, we only watch the. Enemy yeah I think that's all we get when it was on free to air TV though that's how I really prefer it also I. Love. Japanese. So if you didn't if that wasn't already obvious. But I love listening to them talk in Japanese. Think is so cute and I started watching anime with rony kitchen and. were. Different if you watch it. Yes and so fair locations a man await. If you here then you hear A. Bait is he but Divide. But. It's I think it is. Voiced by a woman you're not. Yeah. Yeah. So. The the idea of him being the the subtext of the choice of voice is just like he is this gentle slayer you know. But anyway I'm I'm We could do a whole nother episode about that. Please please. Guys come on break. You're all good. But. So how's Castle Yup I think I was. I don't know like a teen early teens when I watched it. Maybe. I don't know six seventeen because let's put it that way positively watched it before but I didn't fall in love with Jabe lead till like seventeen. Yeah. That's that's an interesting thing I was gonNA. Say was it love for or was it like Oh, I'm now not dumb and I understand the beauty of this. Doesn't like kids. I talked from my own experience of like I was really dumb I watched a lot of things I just never appreciate them was like, Oh, you're fucking dope it come on. Man. Of. God. Shifted. Because you had more life happen. Well, it's more like in the I think it might have been like, Oh, I, try to make a movie. This is really hard young. So I give a Lotta Shit for. Like loving the mastery and the craftsmanship and also the messaging and also the tour aspect of it so and I minored in Asian cinema for my first degree. So I would go to the library a lot and just sit in one of those little. They had little cubbies where you can put the DVD and. Then so much time in that library watching like all Asian. Corre solid you. Watch. Of Psalm. Love with. Me As ocoee. Yeah. So I fell over them in my thesis was on him in the films he makes but I bought the whole. DVD set of all the films but house was the first end will always be my first we love. Animation. Movies Oh. Yeah. So we go customarily around the the digital room what everyone else's an initial reactions and first impressions of House Moving Castle. this is actually my first time watching for the. And he did that life right. Yeah Life. Did for seven the night as I was taking notes that I put it on through subs just to get a vibe he'll but this is my first time watching it through and. It was one of those things that like I kept putting it off because it was so hyped in my mind I was scared I was like I'll get to eventually I promise because I I love spirited away and I love Totoro and all of these things. So I I put it on and I could not keep my eyes off the screen as most. Films Do I thought this was a fantastic story. It's it's. Rising to. The top of my. Films as far as. A go for sure. It's it's a contender for for for first place. It's I thought it was A. I thought it was so creative. And without getting too far into it, 'cause we'll get into it. Through the episode the idea of the castle fascinated me like beyond belief I could not stop thinking about it. So also leave it there for now and we'll go into but I loved it also for our listeners spoilers baby. Yeah, everywhere. This is really not that new and it's on HBO Max. I'd spend a minute up your life. Caitlin what about you? What's your initial reactions? My initial reactions to watching this was it was not I didn't connect with it at first. I don't remember feeling really emotionally attached to this movie until I watched it with my sister right before we were about to. Move to Tokyo officially in I was about to move to California officially and sorry Bethany I'm sharing a personal story but like We like watched that movie and then we like we're having a very like sister moment of like going to sleep and holding hands and like being like precious life is happening right now we love each other and like so ever since then I've watched that with a much different emotional context and like now it's shifted from just being a sentimental thing to being like A. Relationships people growing thing. So it's it's. It's a my view on the movie has changed over the years but I just come to love it more as time goes on and you woke up your Agyema. Down one day I'm going to be old old. Sophie. Gold is hard. It is Josh. I said Tom. I didn't hear it didn't. Count So for me the same way I think the first time I watched it, I was like whatever thirty second time I watched it was because of a girl she oh, my God I love this and I was like. Yeah I like you to watch this movie and then well down I mean no I, watched it on my own. So it could be like next totter we'll be like yo I didn't. I try I try. Anyway. So and then I will say this I've said this before it again in terms of the Pantheon of directors and then even the smaller fraction of tours wes Anderson is one person is style will never be like unrecognizable sake. Plays into that field in a way where it's like knowing when the film came out is very important. And knowing that this was after spirit away and then knowing at what time the world and the war on terrorism was going on, and then what context was. So when I watched it this time knowing all that information in preparation for the episode I was like. This this undestanding. Neurons going off in your brain. And I mean I mean there's always that like us. Christian. Bale gotTa Watch Batman and. So I was like, yeah I'm GonNa Watch this but then like watching I remember it was like is it Kinda creepy? Isn't there is some scary things in there say okay cooled and then I was watching this. and. So that's all say like they're they're a great directors, but there are a few that are like phenomenal because they want their films to be about something and this one even though like quote unquote it got like more critical. Divisiveness because was about something I think it's one of the more important films in the last twenty years because. It it touches on subjects and it's a little allegorical where you can kind of fit it into any timeframe. So it loses specificity but also that means it has a timeliness to for all ages. Because it's not just for a kid. It's not just for the adult enjoy for both and you just need good story elements to do that. So I. Enjoy it's not in my Ta. I have a number one. Julie Films on like that and I will never go. it's a it's a top one. Always within the conversation of like the Ghibli films so Josh, Nice, This actually was my first jubilee film that I ever saw back in like so it came out in two, thousand, four I remember I believe I was working at the video a video store at the time. and. When I saw it like it was one of those like I was like I'm going to see this because there was a lot of hype even Ben and I saw it. It was again my first jubilee film and I think. It is my favorite Jibbidy film womb. I've always really really enjoyed it It was the last time I had seen. It was then so seeing it again this time it was like, Oh, I remember why I like the so much There's just so many fascinating aspects of the story, the design of the castle like you said, Corey, it is fascinating I it's such concepts. And then. I mean, it's just the colors of it. The environments the whole I want that. Man I know a really want that would be so cool. Aesthetically earth fantastic. Fantastically like I want to just turn a KNOB and be like, all right I'm in Denmark cool. Yeah. St. This. Game. Without power. I want that beard and hat. Oh cloak. I was like I mean that that's the cool thing what they do with magic but also like the film is is really done well, where they they Milan Jr like magic is beautiful and wonderful and flying is a grace where the man made industrial version of those similar feats are this Russ you know you know drab? Decrepit, you know versions of that which draws a really wonderful contrast and I, think. You know high sake that really well, just to create wonderful backgrounds and sense to really give you the vibe of like. Where you are also lived in also like with Todarello where it's like go out to the to the to the. Countryside, it's beautiful and. He can make a city like beautiful or it can make say look bad like it's also the colors like the it was just the the city a reminded me of I went to Italy like three years ago. And there is a little island and you've seen it in movies and like if you search Italy. oftentimes, you'll find this little town on an island that is like every houses a different color. Very. Color a very colorful I think it's Bob Byron A- It, starts with a B. But it's a very beautiful town and they. A find it and all, but it's just even the roofs are different colors and it's just it's and of course, it's Italy's so there's It's very close to Venice. So there's lots of water but the town was so in this was so bright. So colorful Yeah it was just super cool. Super Cool. So now we talking about our favorite parts, but I do WANNA know why this one of your favorites what what is it about? That makes it lake. I think what there are so many things I love about this. I think. The idea of the fantastical has always baffled me in intrigue me. So watching it within such a normal setting was is something that I I love reading in books but I've never seen. In. Animation. Not Not really anyway unless I mean Rony Kantian is like really mean there's a guy who's like burn on fire who still fighting and his sword catches fire. I know, but it's not fantastical like you're flying. Wing or someone's like historical piece in the sense I mean this is why I never seen I never seen. No, no red longhaired jump fifteen feet in the air. Ban are guys long red hair. Not The fantastical sense of. Like a scarecrow that comes to life. Yeah. Yeah or again exactly. I mean. was revised. It's different just hadn't seen animation. Put together a world that I had maybe thought of in my dreams at. So seeing that and then how flamboyant And not ashamed of it. This idea of beauty in her grow up insecure and the I the idea and how they address it Sophie Refuses to see it in Howell constantly craves it. How he falls in love with. The witch of the ways to obviously is not attractive like. So what did he see in that was the power? Is that beauty like there's so many questions to be asked in? The. The best line is like you know when he finally gets despoiling all. Territory. For the country of the spoiler away. My my favorite characters cal sopher because he's like the heart of it literally. Yeah when he gets Powell back, thing that he's been without, which allows them to be so brutal about all the things he sees and feels. He's can barely get up and it's like Oh, you finally understand that this is hard as the heavy burden and that's like my favorite line. because it is and emotions are hard and when you have to when it's hard and you have to deal with them even if you have magic. Heart. But there's a flip side of the coin is that we would rather have that than not feel at all. Gift. But is that like whole like no matter how strong you are if you if you fall on the ground, doesn't make the grounding softer also precious they treat like kind of the heart and for like there's that scene where Sophie is. taking the heart from the witch and she is instead of being forceful about it. She's being very gentle about it and understanding an understanding and that's how instead of. Its that that. Cliche of like if you love something, let it go and like the the the which has to let it go and she's being very gentle of like we need to take us now. And in unrealistic though if there wasn't a bit of yeah, that's where it comes a little fairy tale. Wise. Where like I? Mean it is a little beautiful just to teach children that kind of lesson of like love your love thy enemy right and it's Kinda like understand where they're coming from and even though at the end of the day, like all the bad things happen is because of the which of the waste and it's like. You Know Sophie as Ocoee trait though spirited way you know. She takes the heads. The baby. Or? Not, know vase, but also face the whip. Around the yeah. With the baby makes them one the heads with also the rat. Yeah I mean that's the thing where it's like even though as vile and disgusting and it's all because of the witches greed if it's easy to. Vilify and demonize them, but then to understand them and see like. They this person? That's you know the quote unquote causing antagonistic forces to happen is a person to and we just need to be able to identify it's like. If I forget what it's like sell a Shakespearean self awareness where characters don't know their story but then once you're able to identify like the this is who you are in this story. Then it's like then you can then empathize, and then hopefully you know curate with love in a way but. It's interesting. It was very interesting like Oh. This is this because it's not because the entire time like there's this war and is being ravaged by and like there's this like ticking time bomb feels like if he can. If he transforms again like this is going to happen and the end of the film, the climax and the resolution isn't this giant battle between nations it's. an understanding of like the heart and ideologies so. Favorite parts anyone else. The origin story of how it was like when they went into the door and she got to see the the past and star it was just yeah, it was the. When I say the colors like that sequence, the colors they were so bright like for an animation, it was just like it was almost Fluorescent and like Neon is looking for where it's just like so bright and and it just popped so much in those little. like stars or whatever I don't remember dancing star people aren't yet star people. They like one of my favorite colors like blue and green kind of like a turquoise. And just like the it was just it was super super cool. Looking at it. It's a fascinating seem to watch over and over again 'cause you're just like there isn't a lot of dialogue to it either it's just like you're watching this happen and then when it goes into his chest is just so bright and then it just. Out. I have a bunch. I mean. Yeah. Movie goes back. The thing about me is Aki is he makes food look. Food Porn does is stupid when when house making the breakfast and the Bacon and eggs and I just all. Limited deposit and go make food because it just made it. Look. Brad Jus it's also good and like every film like especially like in spirited away when when the parents are eating all that delicious delicious food that I do not blame them for eating because I would one hundred percent like that's worth it. So, that that scene like stuck with me and I've I've not been able to recreate that meal yet, but I'm going to try. Did it. GonNa hold on. Babich no, no, no, no no no no timeout binging beverage. Try to do it because I'll tell you that the quality of beacon that's in house versus the Bacon the like Bob Issues, not the same. No. Fam. I also, I loved the. Scene where she had cleaned his bathroom, he comes out with the red hair and he's just so upset about how he's not beautiful reports. Is Hair I just thought that was. I think I'm supposed to laugh at that but I did. I I thought that was a fantastic scene and just get that idea of. Who He thinks he is. where we're his his his worth is within how he looks rather than than. She learns throughout the the film that that seems stuck with me. Yeah. Go ahead in the beautiful thing and like this is like a very simple but very effective usage of writing where characters look one way at the beginning of the film and they look completely different at the end the film and it Conveys Change and growth, and so you think about like Oh, yeah, of course, they're different but then you realize the subtext behind and you're like. Well Shit. Why don't I think about that? It's very it's very intelligent because I was like flamboyant with Cape and you know at the blonde hair and the very end he's just like in a regular like I call it the paper shirt and then. The black hair and then she's like Shanghai and a and afraid. She's young looking but then at the very end heard like quote unquote ultimate self is shorter silver hair because he's accepted who she is. Yeah. Yeah. The the her also Her Age changing throughout the film? No at fluctuating back. Yeah, we'll 'cause like I before i. Did like a deep dive into the symbolic of the film and all that kind of stuff for me. It was it was like such a reflection of how she felt in those moments. That I I love that concept that it didn't necessarily reflect. The one that stuck out to me is when she's talking to the Solomon. Sign the. which the? And just sees that bit of who she truly is and how she feels about how That was such. A like whiplash had to rewind it and watched a couple of times but I love playing with that idea of. Getting the glimpse of of how she's truly feeling or how she she feels that moment depicted by her age at how how we see her in that second. I thought that was just a really beautiful usage of of imagery. Man For me. The progression of. The castle because when Sophie comes in and it's a pigsty. And like I I'm always GONNA love Miyazaki cleaning montage things like. GonNa. Love it. All is. Because Rome, is like the most powerful weapon and you could just push like tons of things for no on my bed. That's not physically possible. I mean it's great. It's wonderful. I will like it's more of like the progression of like. it's mirroring. How and Sophie's like awareness of themselves to because like Hal is completely oblivious like he doesn't care about anything he doesn't think about anything sophie is the one who comes in his like she doesn't want to look internally. So she's GonNa use all of herself to clean his stuff. That's that's the helper thing where like you come in and you want to help everybody you want to help everybody. So she's like like lady you know don't worry about me. I'm going to worry about you. So then she cleans the whole. Apartment, and then she's like helping calcified in brightening his day by giving him logs and like you know slowly. But Surely Hal is like becoming more aware of her and like how he feels about her and like the effects of like dying his hair and everything like they they basically are forced to start intersecting more and more, and then there's really nothing more for Sophie did do, and then when how changes the house to accommodate more for her she worries. So He makes the House. Bigger Cleaning the house and then a month later he's like changes the whole thing. About that. Yeah. That sucks. Yeah. So you could have cleaned it from the Cleveland and magically like this. But he just didn't have that kind of an awareness care and she's the one who helped him acquire that but even then like. Through the there I mean, this whole movie is basically like to people with all of their baggage coming in intersecting and like thankfully, their baggage like works out with each other. And helps them discover each other through helping each other like that's the ideal situation for what a relationship could be of like I'm coming with my baggage you're coming in with your baggage were coming together and dealing with it on our own, but also wanting to help each other like. And A NON-TOXIC WAY. In A NON-TOXIC WAY and the witch of the waste is like that perfect example of like that was how I used to handle things and it didn't really go and that's still kind of following me around a little bit. Say Yo Shadow to the witch of the waste for finding out that little bug though that was like damn what a gangster I mean she's new. Way this game. I, kill him. But also I'm wondering if that bug was planted by her by her to well like Sullivan, knew that she was going to smoke this guard also probably feed the bug to cal sopher. 'cause then he couldn't protect the house during the bombing so that how would be motivated to have to do something about it and stay in one place and then fight for one specific kingdom? Yes. There's there's so many things but and also like I know Harry Reading the book right now I just actually read the the house moving castle. This movie was based off of. It, it's very different they're. Very different. It similar similar. Yeah the. They they made it like Japanese. Yes. Yeah. It was very like There's like love and you find out more about the black door and like there's there's a lot of. Subtle nods to everything. But there's this it's so different but and much darker. The characters in Miyazaki's film are much more noble I was GonNa. Say British literature especially at that time is very like all the fairy tales the real fairy tales Cinderella's stepsisters cut off half their feet defend the slipper. And somehow the prince doesn't notice it till the slipper fills with blood and so it's definitely. Yet. Very casual like grimm fairy tales are just at the Rim I wouldn't say the book is that dark? then. This one, it's very British. The other thing I wanted to bring up was the bittersweet story of turnip head because. What breaks the curse is true. Love's kiss. meaning that he was in love Sophie but. Because he's such a good guy. He's like you know what? It's cool. I'm going to go in this war. Thanks for changing me back. They brushed that off and it's just like heartbreak. It is when you like when I heard I was like no because. That his poor heart away to. I'll be a rebound you. Prints. But I just that his whole every time he's on screen turnip head I use a g was filled with joy like. We'll get into it later but I think he might be my favorite character in if if they were going to do a live action I, don't see anyone else playing him other than Allen Dick. Though my God. I do want you to know this is mild spoiler but not too much spoiler in the book Turnip head is a like Freddy Krueger like he's horrifying Hell Oh yeah. He's not fun in. Allen you shooting. But no, I will say one thing also shot up. To Sophie because you know when when she gets turned into an old lady, that's the first thing I would have done like all right. My parents can't find out I got a sneak out I. GOTTA figure this out by myself because it's like I. So got transported back as a child of like when you messed up or some bad news, like the worst thing that can happen is your parents worried about you. It's like when they call you go first off I'm okay. I just want to say mom I love you. Thank you for everything and now listen this is just going on I got into a car accident. Relieving. been. Important part, right right. On Do we WANNA DO FAVORITE FAVORITE CHARACTERS Now Yeah. Larry Game One. Very. Before I forget that the whole house thing when he laid rebuilds the house and I'll say, Oh, I did she clean the whole house then and then I realized that The only reason that he's put up with Sophie is because she's told him as a kid wait for her. that. That very short time travel just like changes the whole movie. And the very first thing that house says to Sophie before he even knows her as I've been looking everywhere for you you yeah I mean, have you heard of forget what I think it's called Jin particles. Science Term Jin particles. So let's I forgot like the genie like J., J., I and I. Think. I think the examples used. So let's say like Caitlyn you and I are like in love right and I give you a watch on like this is my favorite watch and then I die and you're like Oh my God i Miss Thompson and you make a time machine and Eagle back and then you see young me and then you give me the watch. So where did the watch come from? And so like this is like what happened I is like. It's like. She always in love with Howell or was how always waiting for her right and it's a matter. Why like? Gin Partial so that item now is still very potter Petronas thing. When? It's like who who's. For that? We do that I did it. Yeah yeah it's crazy. So it's like, Oh, what who went that's interesting So no canary. So you have for WHO's your second character second favorite character. Probably Sophie Yeah. So. She's A. She's a warrior she's like. Getting turned. That old so quick and like pretty much dealing with it in a matter of minutes and being like, okay this is life now. I'm going to go and we always some bread and cheese and go on a hike like pushing. My life to I'm not as strong but it's more like all right. How do we do with this? I give bread and cheese and going to hike. The race up the stairs. One of my favorite. Just. Given the witch shit the entire time that. She too is struggling, but like still giving me like you're never gonNA make it. You know we're making you go that fast like you gotta try harder than that I respect that I respect. So I mean also the fact that the scarecrow Pumpkin Turnip Headman Fell in love with. Fell in love with her in her older state because who she was just like I'm going to figure this out and like if you want make me a stick or maybe a walking second, then he finds one and south and it's just like. I also think that the scarecrow was under a under magic where he could see who sophie because people see Madison Yeah Yeah. That's why he was like, Oh, it goes beyond this and I look at this. Yeah Turnip head is probably my favorite character just. The, subtext of his entire story is is so bittersweet in the fact that he just takes it and it's like, all right. Yeah. End The war Guy. Favorite. I had to go with Sophie as well. I can't. Her resilience and. No matter what happened to her just being able to be like. I'm GonNa, take the punches and keep going and I know I can do this if I'm old forever that so be it. I'm still going to help these people and try to make how's life better and calipers life like it's It's A. I. I wish I had that. I. Need to work be more sophie that's what I learned. Josh. There an echo in here I'M GONNA say Sophie is my number one for all the reasons that have been I just I also love that she was so strong but she was also like that seeing that I was talking about with the witch in terms of taking back the heart of just being so gentle and kind of intuitive in that sense and. I, really like markle. I Love I just thought he was every time he was on scene get I. He's he seems so like so there was such a wall and then he just became such a friend of. To clean by room next. Best that the cloak thing. You can't leave us. Leaving Right. Also, how customs you got to the filth at the garbage got enough room over there was like Oh God which fork do you want? They're all nasty. Kaelin Sophie's the obvious choice for me I feel like I relate a lot to a lot of the things she deals with in a different way of. Don't make magic to be a nine years old now. I. Don't make hats but I did sell them for a while Second. Honestly is GonNa be hell which feels like a generic choice, but it's it's like. I've. been around a lot of people who don't recognize things about themselves and then like. Seen a lot of people who either do recognize it and change or don't. and. So I like him for being that representation of growth. And special shout out to Solomon. because. That bitch is terrifying but. I I really like she came around these kind of impartial. Yeah. She's impartial and she created a war. She wanted to talk to howl end. She made tiny mini clones of him to wait on her Yeah. And then turn into a dog and then when. The like which she saw that things were fine. She's like are returning the wore off I'm sorry you don't like girl boss power. That's no I I. I'm showing out. Yeah. Because she's terrified he's GonNa. Say I think the opposite Tom? Remarkable to me terrified I'm like. It's also. To create a whole debate here but it's not something you would see in in American cinema either. No. Dude that will be a try. tried. Actually brushed off turnip heads like in love with the main character and also Solomon him like I crafted this war but will shut it off like time for this. Up. I mean, it's a hold on. that. Says it's just crazy. Yes it's it's Masaaki as well. Talking about the fickleness of war as well of like how it's just the pointlessness wim of you know someone who's in power who can just be like Stewart let's not do a war always for you know they never suffer and it's always a panel you know the the bystander civilians soldiers So again to to mine copy, paste Sophie and Howl and Sophie, and I've always bring this up and bring every time. It's because Miyazaki female characters aren't always just princesses new say by Prince and also Howell. And one thing I really enjoyed is a is the aspect of him when he goes out at night and he fights the the other wizards and sorcerers, it's he he says. They're going to regret doing that because they'll never go back and is that sacrifice of their humanity to do that and something that he's always battling with of every time I go out there I come out less humid or less me and also shadow. Christian. Bale baby you know what I'm saying. Win Win for the. Way came out he larry said I will voice any character you want me to voice, and so I've only had the the dub experience I think I did the job the the suburbs subversion wants but like his it's just interesting to hear Christian Bale be soft spoken and to be kind and gentle when you were expecting to be like. You know. Or are I mean even? Ferrari four verse Ferrari, he's like. Doesn't stop it. You know he's like he's like an asshole to people in a way, but it's not like rude. But yeah him doing that and just hearing him being grabbed watch newsies. Hearing. Second and then like when he's telling Sophie to escape back to the castle, he's like you do this. This is a ring it'll go over there like. Wow He's he's a nice guy. So yeah. Dumped version haven't been a really long time. Like it I mean. But I'm also nostalgia on the. Cal. Suffers Billy Chris. Carlson. and. Of Billy Crystal, he got him play this part. Is it? It's a very different mean it's still funny but it's not the same kind of like humor currently does it's it's really. Well done. John lasseter had to conference call to direct them via TV. They're like we at the make sure billy crystal because I think this is right after monsters. Inc when it came out. Really. Wow. So they were like. Okay Billy Crystal was like Disney royalty at this point and then they're like, okay now you're GonNa be into house moving castle there. That's what I think. Last year says there's one person could bring the heart of Kabul's for crystal the American, but you also have like well like Hollywood royalty, like gene, Simmons playing old sits Sophie. Call on which of the waste I mean that's like Hollywood royalty like yeah. You look at their credits and you're like, oh. Damn. Like and this was Gene Simmons last thing that she did right? Yeah think. So yeah. So the last thing. Yeah. Cool so Favorite characters, favorite parts is there anything we want to talk about before we wrap this episode with Housman Castle don't think any qualms exist so. Exist. Yet Um will it's not my favorite Shipley. Movie. No you're done now you. Do have like there's Really, uses right. Actually, to scenes. So the one where he lake is really he like turns into green slime and Markle's leg. Oh, he does this every time he gets dumped, but we don't really see any evidence of him being like a fleur in the book he is Spit Bedtime it movie it just never comes across like it see background. Exactly. It's all girls do. Because really only his time time for is to fight and come back in sleep. Well. We Really Of Yeah Yeah I agree with that. I, think it was it was just like one of those nods to the book like I. Think I think also it's one of those like there's so many there's so much movie in one movie and it's kind of like if they were going to add to show like he just got out of a relationship or like having the witch of the waste be his acts I think it's supposed to be also in terms of like. How long he's been a playboy will I think of like Oh Gee Asian. Sensibilities of like you know like at least for me back when I was watching you know Japanese dramas a k dramas noah kisses until the season finale baby and so like relationships is very sacred and so hearing how like Oh you were with her and then it's like it's one of those Oo. So who else says, yeah, it Kinda like one story is the inference a you need like, oh, he's been with people. Yeah. You know instead of like Oh you're not just married and happy. What was the other the other confusing seem? It's not really confusing. It was more of just like when she runs into. She runs into that. Door the door. Room. Is that I mean again, I haven't read that part in the book, but it's just like initially when she walks in, he has all these like thing all. Diane giant Monster thingy and then when yeah. But then she runs in and it's just like this how blackhall up and then he's just there as his self and he can't change back. It's like the first time that she tells him. She loves him and then she wakes up in her bed Excuse Excuse me Oh. Yeah. It it it. It took me a while to realize like. I feel like they could have communicated mildly more that that was a dream sequence That was. That's what I'm saying was I. You was because you see his actual room and it's same it's not the same but it's just as whorey. He's got a bunch of beautiful gems and things around him, but it's Like could have been that big animal pushed every I mean we can always go. Seem changed the castle. Before or after. So I'm not I'm not I. wouldn't be surprised if it's just I need room for this form. I'M GONNA change the castle. It'd be this thing based on. So I waited in here that he's got to you like move cal suffer and do a whole ritual i. don't think I. think that is just a dream sequence because that would take too much magic for him to change that much. So I do think it was a dream but. So kind of art for. The whatever gems and stuff like on the walls like that's true. Also. I'm I mean that's just the baffles me because it's just like such it's like. Miyazaki's creaking door opening. No, never mind. We're going through Sophie's experience. ABC's also still baffled. Here's. What she's thinking leded we gotta we gotTa do the book at some point. There's just so many. So excited free to finish reading at. Henry 'cause like. All. This I'm not. So there's so much. It's not even that long right. It's it's not you could read it in a like. If you're really industrious, you could read it in a day I. Think Probably. I took me a while. You could if you want it. But. Yeah. Thank you for coming on the show Austria. With. Your. So where? When you're new so when and where do we when we find your new single? Yeah it comes out. For H. I'm so excited for it. September eighteenth it's is fun install to do because it's the most conversational song so you can give it to any football you know. Perfect. No any for boys which means it's really relatable. 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The Gaming Tadpole (Going On A Loop)

"Along gosh man. i network day. I've been going through a loop doing cure. Roic stuff that did not register with you the catering chase and bianca's wall here yes. I mean recording. These shows after long days of starbucks. You don't tell will me running going out of breath of the game. I'm going to be reviewing as luke. Piero new in the game by published by the studio developer digital and they're known for making a lot of creative and crazy indie games or mid size titles as well and this is their latest. That's already been headed. Adds a million sales or close two million like the game has sold quite a few copies interesting. Talk about a bunch of news stories. Actually the theme here of today is things might clothes and things might be bought. Also things might happen. That's a lot of things but intendo. I mean we knew this was coming. It's close to the end of the month. They had the thirty march thirty fifth eight. The plumbers got the special things they said at the beginning last year. All of this is going to go a march thirty first and now people like white. You're killing mario. You're actually going to get rid of him for good all your horses. I got something to say about that. Something that might go away which you know we could talk about whether or not it's Warranted or or what have you. It's rumored this is not confirmed. And i'll even talk about why you should completely trust the source. Sony might shutdown their playstation three. Psp an psb stores by the end of the summer. you'll no longer be able to purchase digital stories. There's even another thing that might come with it. I will explain as well. And they're also shutting something down for playstation four already like what the heck couple of games and showed off trailers games are coming out. Craig wants to talk about six days of flu. We were going on about whether or not the is political now. There is actual gameplay trailers and detailed information what the game is like the other game reveal a little re master of a classic obscure kind of insecure wherever you want to say what levels but night dive is known for bringing old games back to life and next month. They are reviving. Showman with is a l tell you all about. Hey i got you got you got you at the same time a the agitation that this is based off of reboot going on so may lead to something. I will bring that up microsoft by discord. That is interesting and people are concerned about that. And i'll explain. Why a very reasonable concern. And you'll you'll know and i think that is what we have on the plate unless i misunderstood Think so one thing. I want to update concern some of these news stories. We cover around the show. We we cover things. That normally happened from monday to wednesday or over the weekend to wednesday because there is still thursday and friday. That will most likely have some interesting news going on. Here's a couple of new stories. We talked about earlier. That have had some updates over the weekend. And i'm gonna go ahead and cover them. So why am super seducer. The sexist visually racist game asserted in creeper is trying to push on steam in steam said. No we want you to censor all of us. We don't want the soul the way it is and the developer of the game. Decide do go on his own under his own. Steam for instance talk crap about steam. And i even said at the end of this is probably going to bite him in the rear and update on that it did. Steve has decided ban ban him and he will not be selling anything else. So you will not get superseded through three or anything beyond this point from those developer stupidity sir for now now no you can't and pre-ordered it young. Yeah you can't grow up woman and super seducer for because they won't happen probably will they'll sell it somewhere else. I mean you know there are other places. They'll say we don't care. I've so slight note of someone that i follow on twitch did play it for jokes. I was like this. I can't. I couldn't take more than ten minutes of this. It was like terrible. No why like. It's it was watching a bad movie but like a terrible league aware documentary. He saying home. Yeah this is what i was saying. It's a mix between tommy was oh movie and then some weirdly ted talk because he's deflate. Gimme twin the levels. He's actually unstated like he's giving some educational lessons on how to pick up specifically blind white woman or at this height and everything. It's very terrible. No it is our things. Don't don't support this guy. Don't buy the first two super seducers now. We have an update that steam even said. Hey peppy will put. If he's gotta go. You gotta go so. I'm sorry. I mean he's not going away. He's you'll hill straight again somewhere but as far as steam does not know. Now here's another game. Steam got rid of again. That's not terribly good. Thing the game devotion which will people who played it's the size shorthorn Title that everybody. Who's played that game. They said it was amazing. Bud steam originally took it off. Because in that game there is a winnie the pooh meam a little side joke. Poking fun at the chinese Dictator and he encouraged the chinese government. They don't they don't want that they don't want anything. What do the related on their property or on the edge with the associated with 'cause steam does have a stake in china and so there probably like he don't we don't want anything making fun of our. Our leader here are darrow. That they took the game off steam store and joji also said we can afford you sell those game because we also have a stake in china's government until years later it popped on steam again only to be ticking off steam again so the developers also are not able to sell their game on steam may more. The good news is that studio Has gone on to work on. A new tutti an action adventure platformer with some handwriting or flash animation. I saw screenshots of their new game like okay. This is cool. It's completely different from what they work done before. So at least these studio behind devotion they're still kicking and they're still moving on working on games. It's just that they can sell devotion on steam or geology. Or any thing that has pro. China chinese government. I should say and that is unfortunate. A lot of big businesses have stake in china. The situation craig. Your fan hor games. Are you said he won't be able to play diverse on steam now now really be decided. Didn't have a personal interest in it in the fact that it's going on in office stream for such a small minor detail. You know it's interesting. But i guess i never really had any skin in the game or care. What if your favorite horror game was taken off. Because there was a crude joke i that would upset me. Frankly i mean. I know that these companies do have a stake in china so they're forced to follow their laws in china wants to ban it because of such a small thing. You as a company have to decide if you want to accept that loss in just you know have the us european market or do you want to make that small chain so you can corner more of the market. You know gross more money. I don't know that would really really bother me honestly. I would hope that there was a us version that was uncensored but as a tough one. Yeah i mean they have like a well. I guess because it's there that's why they're like no just don't have any. 'cause south park is not available in china at all. They made fun of the chinese government. So much on that show so i i guess there is no getting around once you poke fun as dictatorship they're like marie don't want any of that disney. I would fear. They would have to comply by not releasing either coup type movies over there. I don't edano 'cause disney has a lot of money with china so i don't know so weird strange anyway. Let's get in the stuff since we have a wet talk about today loop hero. That's been getting a lot of buzz. Since a came out plane people were streaming in grossly almost a million copies aretha million copies and is one of the top selling indie games of this month on steam. What is this game though. Well you have a rogue leg here. A rogue lights as should say where you play as a young knights traveling on a quest stuck in this sort of realm where there's just monsters and everybody's cursed it's just an evil evil dark presence surrounds everything. You're set off to go on these expeditions. Click resources spilled up your camp which will in return. Help your character out. Progressing her way out of this little chris that you're alexander defeating the evil monsters responsible for everything and that's the gist of it. Why it. I find. Actually the most interesting about the narrative parts. Even if it's not technically narrative-driven it's very much game. Play focus but every now and then when you're building your camp with different types of structures in these structures downturn give you cards in the perks does things that will go into the other part of the game. But as you're building up your camp and as you're going along yard giving given some more narrative context. And i like that in this world. People are trying to survive there. Is this evil fresnes that as the culprit of everything. But meanwhile your protagonist is having a slay monsters. Who are just trying to like you. Come across harpies emma for you have to slay them. Fight them or whatever they actually tell you what their goal is are. They're not interested in. Just yeah i just wanna kill people. I just wanna eat souls or thing now. I'm just trying to eat live survive and unfortunately in order to make it out here in this will corrupt world that. We're gonna have to kill you. I think that's very interesting when you bring that subject up because it brings some level sympathy to these monsters. You're fighting despite that while. That's what they are. As far as the game play goes. This might not get be of any everybody's interests and i totally get that. 'cause there's things going for this i might turn some people off for one that everybody's into rug lights in general the whole premise of rogue. Like being that it's an rpg procedurally generated. There is permit death. You lose some your materials if you die and you have to start all over but being rogue lights means you don't really lose as much you lose. Maybe a percentage and there's so many so much of the game as caps and all that and also most rogue lights tend to be difficult which not everybody's into that the other thing is. This is more of a building sim than it is an rpg. Because in these exhibitions you have this character in through the sidebar. The attributes the army. You're wearing rings that get perks or abilities. The swords yada yada yada three classes so there will be a road class and a major class or a skeleton sumner class. In addition do the basic warrior class in each of them have different abilities. The other different special moves and stuff but the main importance is what you quit with. 'cause each of the monsters either drop items to put on your characters or they'll drop cards in. These cards are structures those structures being trees. Outside of the perimeter. The loop as you were inside the yards. Mansions that will contain vampires diligence each of these structures league to something or you're gonna Lucht is what the place is called. It's like groundhog day. Where you have to do something over. Yeah it cut. Has a groundhog day vibe tara. 'cause they actually arrest wind your character. Is i find that interesting. How they address that league. There is a part where i got killed and then my character woke up like what happened. I thought i was dead and actually go in and explain how your character Comes back to life after being killed in action. Which is interesting how you go about that. Not only that but the enemies even acknowledge your death like if you get killed during a boss battle you can come back to the boss in the boss will be like wait. Just killed you. What the heck interesting. That's different okay. And and then you'll be like around to. I'm not done yet. So he yeah. I mean it's i'll say the dialogue is like purposely cheesy like. There's some jokes that they throw in like one of the first enemies you fight as a slam and they make jokes about how most. Rpg's they have you fighting off slime monsters as the first enemy in the game though. It's very cheeky. Self aware of some rpg trump's. But what really gets you through. This is how you build your structures for example the mountains. You have lake say either nine bunched up together or three in a row than mitt bunched up with the six rocks and they're all aligned together. Ill turn into a bigger mountain sponge. The herpes but in return also gives you more resources. So it's interesting the game rewards you how you combine these different structures together and ultimately they're the most important because these resources are what goes into building up your camp making your character more powerful agan new cards which will will open up more game play and that is what makes this game so exciting but also just the whole premise of it being a loop it is addicting. 'cause it's like okay. I want to try one more. Run the see how much i get here. See if i can upgrade that one thing that will help me in a further level. It's not a terribly long game. If you want you could try to beat up and a couple of hours. It's just that will be very hard. So is one of those games like okay. You gotta build up your camp if you want the game to get easier or at least you know. Have a better chance. That could be bad because that is what people would refer to as grinding. But i don't feel get that feeling here in. Probably because the procedural generation it's the layout of the map is different each time which means the spleisson structures. They're different each time. And you get so many other cards that will either add more structures of their add. More things change things up you for example of your you have a forest structure in you place. Three four issue place to for us. There's this Parasite addition card that you can add on. They'll make the characters the are. The enemies have a protective shelled. So they might have absorbed more damage but once to defeat them. You also get more resources. So there's a bit of risk reward in that as well basically encourage you these attempts of making your run a will challenging difficult. As far as the whole loop goes. Well the fact is your character is running around this little loop and every loop the enemies. They get stronger also. He'll while there are other things that will help you heal to get potions later and you can add as our many potions you obtain and you can also add more perks like a getting more potions once you start back to the campfire so i mean there's many ways to build your character to give you more advantages as well and it's completely up to you and that's why i was so highly invested in those games like i love building up the environment around me in seeing how things change but also does building up this camp and getting to know a little bit more about the people who are running the camp because every time you build a structure you upgrade at the conversations of the people running these efforts interesting does a little nice world building going on here the art direction of this which is lake retro pixels but also a graphic graphic novel. I really the presentation the soundtrack going on here too and then every six loops which again art that long. So it's not even a very long run. That's when he gets to the boss fight. You can choose if you want to take on that boss or take your resources and beckley camp. It does give you that option. Every start of a new loop. Do i want to continue on and take the risk or to save what i have tried another time and the fact that everything is quick that adds to the one more go mentality. Because that's why it's the roque. Wait your aren't losing much and other things that will add your character. You'll start to lose less and less which for those who want that difficulty. Like i wanted to be hardcore. You can keep it that way you can build your character up however you one in addition new building the camps everytime you build a structure that gives you one more inventory slots in place some these perks you'll also find will in your expeditions. But or when you're crafting that will of course resources and these perks. they do. Great deals such as health regeneration or a can deal more damage against vampires. Or i can on triple swords at the beginning of each day. So there is flexibility of how you want to build your character and makes it so much fun there. Keep experimenting despite that. Yeah you are going into loop. You are going through an expedition. It does structure itself the same despite being procedurally generated. But i just didn't feel born which is interesting thing to say. Considering whole idea of repetition norian said so your overall rate every nine ten. It's a brilliant indie game and it's a very unique one like i can't even think of a lot of games are like this. That's what gets me is. I've not played a building some battles like this and yeah for twelve or fifteen dollars. I mean you could spend a lot of time on this and have a great time just the avenue lot of fun or be it in a couple of hours if you want. It's totally up to you. Yeah it's another gray hit from devour digital. I see exactly why it's taken off craig. The everything say about this game by the way. It's only on pc at and on. It sounds really interesting. I do like the concept of Like you said if you can decide if you want to keep going on with another loop or if you want to go back and turn your items you know building up the town around you Kind of having your own affect on. How much of the game you want to change. Do you want to just blow through and do everything or do you want to build up. The town does sound interesting now. There are a lot of concepts like that. It kind of reminds me. Maybe a less lethal death loop for example. But no it's a. It's a good play on that concept i. I'm always excited about a developer digital game. They're always trying something different unto the news. We could talk about trying something. Different effect Keeping on the topic of games. Come now you wanted to bring up six days of flu which i get because we've been talking about two days in a row over one controversy and i even said hey. Let's give the game a chance. We don't know what the game will. What does game has gotten look now. We do there was a gameplay trailer released. It was a gameplay trailer plus a low side interviews with not just the war veterans but also people from iraq which is interesting regarding the game. Play from what i've seen. It looks like a rogue lake in the style of a modern day military shooter playing a little bit lake brothers in arms. If you know brothers in arms that was a gearbox world war two shooter where you took control of a protagonist started baker. What happens is basically commands sets of soldiers the different types of soldiers with just the press of a button. Hey go here take nothing down. Cover me over here. It's earned like a strategy game in on top of being a first person shooter. We'll see something very similar like that. I mean a you could say ramo six or more recently. Pigs legends with the ping system. I do you feel about this game now that you know more about my mind. Just as peaked I can't really say if i'm for or against the game having not played it but the gameplay looks much more interesting than i thought i thought it was gonna be your typical renan gun. You know call of duty type game but what they introduced in the trailer is every room in every square block of the city. You're in is going to be constantly changing every single time so you're never going to get the same experience twice and so to me on the winning. That sounds really cool just from a game perspective and even a little bit of horror like what's behind this door is it enemies is family. What do i do but at the same time while. I was watching that trailer. I wanna ask a couple of friends of mine. Some veterans how they feel about it in. Could this type of game be triggering for the those with ptsd because it looks like especially. If you're playing that for long periods of time i definitely see it maybe triggering some memories or some feelings that you know they may not wish to have at the moment. It looks extremely realistic. I'm wondering is it too. Realistic will find out while that's interesting. 'cause you bring call duty Step over some controversial topics in the past. I mean the most infamous wine was with my warford to where there was a mission. You got to get down a bunch of innocent civilians and believe iran and it was announced like they do give you an option in the campaign. Skip it but it's still there and still part of the story most recently though with the meyer warfare reboots. They took it a little bit mortar forward. I actually addressing mass shootings like the game opens up where you're in the middle of mass shooting a trend escape. And there's even parts where you're breaching building and you're forced to take down like a innocent mom that's scared and trying to defend themselves so i can't say this'll be the first military sheared step on that quote unquote triggering especially that more of these military games of trying to be closed realism in this one. More so 'cause vol with mar- warfare while did have those scenes by the end. Still end up being like a goofy over the taibbi movie but Like them still great game but this seems more towards realism. The fact that they go out of their way to keep talking about these interviews like the throughout the after one snippet of gameplay you have a military officer experiencing their story emmy talking about their story and then the gameplay reflecting on that because when you're talking about procedurally generated rooms. That was one of the stories. We're talking about like every room i went into. I had no idea what was going to face so by expectations. It probably will trigger some people. What i'm find even more interesting though is that they also interviewed people from iraq. Which that's something. Some of these other military shooters have not done. They would always pay the brown people ago. These are the bad guys. Or what have you or the russians. Whatever but patriotism and this why actually the developers. They sat down with people from iraq in addition to the military soldiers to get their side. How do you feel about that part. I mean it's something that you don't really see in history or in video games orrin war movies or anything like that like use it before it's usually told from the victors perspective. Though the fact that they went in interviewed these families who stayed and experienced everything to make the game more realistic and be able to program the way that the families were reacting to put you in the shoes of the soldier dealing with the situation. I mean super attention to detail. I don't know what else to say. Yeah the other thing is when you're talking about our this trigger some people that's why those game had trouble getting made because it was supposed to come out in the ps three sixty air but it's a their original version of the game was canceled because while they felt like we don do this. Because we don't want to feel like that be appropriate now. What i'm not even thinking about this. I'm also looking at the world war. Two or game set in vietnam more and there are people who are veterans who are still alive today. Who been through those wars and there are games are at they're experiencing those wars and so would this be more or less triggering than that. I mean i would say less triggering than being an actual war for sure. But i could see this easily setting off from the edges sitting some some. Ptsd like yeah me too. The more i think about it. And i think about okay. What would i do. If i was playing this game if i was doing like a four hour stream. I really think that would get tiring after a while to go into every single room and not know what's on the other side and these are real soldiers go through every day. They even said that in the interview. That's what clearing rooms is like. They have to do that for every room in every home. So i see that. They're trying to force the gamer to feel what that's like but me personally. I don't know it. We'll see how it is when we play it but it's it sounds sounds rush to say the least while there's also the possibility that there may be other missions or other things. Besides because i mean the whole gameplay trailer was about describing that story describing the level decide Structure but what if there is a an open area type mission or mission. Send somewhere else around food job. I mean we don't know what the rest of the game is like we really slide. Six minutes and six minutes is in what could be like a five or ten hour. We don't even know how long game as we don't even know what the game has multi player of you're playing in co op. What's would be interesting. That is the case a reality. You're gonna say something Yes probably toss around. So yeah i want it and i want to keep an eye out on. I'm not in that camp of i'm gonna priore the game right away but also now in those people are like yeah. Screw this game set. What do you do a war story. It's going to be have some level controversy. I mean even today and today's history. We're having to go back and relook at all. All these history lessons we've been taught in the past to find out now does know how when i'm curious to know how this will go whenever comes out and supposedly this year for a game that will be coming out next month though. This is actually an interesting topic. Shadow man is the fourth darkness so while the ears and things so we marvel comics dc. Comics this is one of the more indie comics called a ballerina. Bauer baron. I think it's what it's called. And they're known for some these very over the top type of stories. This is these set of crazy ideas of superheroes that may or may not be original by today or the cases baroness's coming back and they're rebuilding the comics. They wanted to try to be their own thing. But also right off the success of how superheroes are today now. You have marvel kicking a lot of. But i mean they're disney plus shows been record breaking and now he got black widow coming on disney plus in july lots of marvel going on in dc. Dc's can better. They got other things going on then on amazon. Amazon's got third gritty r. Rated movie shows with the boys and now invincibles What i was in someone's server in watching justice league knows before hours long did not need before hours. That could have been was fine. That that's definitely six hours. Eight no need moving slow motion no stuck in the house like. Oh it's exact. Snyder wants to go for the grammy's he. He saw the success of weapons. Like i want to be the next thing like. That's why i got from under bellary. This was not the dollar. Yeah that's named the comic series valance that's related to the game. Then well yeah because shadow. Man is based off of a series from ballard. Call chatman and it's about a young black man in louisiana who has been cursed and accused of crimes. He did not commit. You've been cursed aware. He's been possessed these powers thus being called the shadow man. He's got a skull on his chest. He can manipulate dark magic on the people a while. Do wheeling guns for a game. Adaptation brought this supernatural horror. Take on tomb raider. And that's a shot. The original shadow man was when it came out nine hundred ninety nine for the nintendo sixty four p. c. n. playstation then had a sequel in playstation two did not sell very well so it pretty much ended their or the cases with the success of marvel and dc nine glee. They basically commission this rebuild. Their lake you are a nightside since you're on the property the game licensed to shadow man. Why don't you make a master of original game and like. Oh yeah we will come out april fifteenth on steam. And this is the complete re master of the entire game with dynamic lighting and Extra effects going. I'm while still kind of keeping the polyvinyl art. You know that a lot of old late nineties games look also having never Forcing content that was originally cut from the game due to budget constraints which is interesting but this also brings an interesting conversation about why we're getting shadow man not just shadow man re master. But there's also reboot of the comic series and movie in the works by the director The the two thousand seventeen film. Marshall yellow made a disney plus sports movie. I forgot the name of it. But both of them were critical acclaim. So i mean hey you gotta tell the director doing what could be action horror movie superhero barbie somewhere off the line but the other thing is yeh the main character is black and there they probably looked at wild black panther took off. It was a huge success made a lot of money. That's why we have all these other superheroes diverse this these gender and whatnot come to light especially even this year we mentioned black widow but later this year. We're gang shaky all asian marvel superhero movie. We don't have trailers for yet. But they're saying it's coming out this year and then also the turtles would starts a an indian as watch stars vs in one of the main cast but it's directed by an asian woman. You're getting some more diversity in the superhero jonassen. Probably bowers like okay. So diversity cells. let's bring back showman. Will that work today interesting. Do you guys remember the tomb raider. Games prior to the reboot that we got recently. Because i'll say showman does play very similar to that. Play the the the very first tomb. Raider on the playstation. No i played the original tomb. Raider on three. They had the game on the store. And i'll say like the platforming. Maybe i was trying to get used to it. But there are some things they felt like could have been enhanced leg improve. 'em that's one of the features saying the controls are going to be a lot smoother. The a is gonna improve which is interesting there in hanson's to make feel more modern while still kind of looking like as it originally came out. Do you think that because the desires have more diversity and lead superheroes shadow man will actually have a second light. I mean i so. We'll talk about the video game because the movie is far off whenever that's happening but the game that's coming out next month and steam and coming to consuls later on i mean i'm sure you guys probably haven't seen footage of itself but i do find this interesting i can i show. I finally looked at what looks at the it has. It's giving me a the the disney movie that is Princess on the frog green smoke and it was really sketchy creepy happening. The shadow man. That's actually that's actually what the villain of princess the frog is. He wants the shadow man. And that's that's the thing you talked about doodoo. The that's does this game deals will do is like he got all these powers through magic. He made the d- a deal with a businessman demon. Okay that's kind of what it is. Deal the devil to get in order to get your life back. You have to go through this canyon of super lighter fighting skeletons in lot of like horror monsters and your best friend. Is the snake with the skeleton head in a top hat. The british accent. Now i mean it's it is it is not a game completely take himself seriously. I mean i like that. I wanna see the live. Action movie adaptation. I wanna see that. That's the thing as showman. Actually find some annoying. Like i remember when i played it. He's like shut up. I'm so tired of you is like i want to help you. Might one mission. Might you have to go through over here. but he would With what character are you talking about. Because he said snake Person is you use a talking snake but with like a skeleton face. I mean there are some like very character designs in this. It's an undead snake. Yeah with top okay. Well that's that's something danettes that's all pretty sketched to me much. But you get superpowers you to blow people up with dark magic lake in creepy temples messing vader. I mean it is a game Diarrhea while deals will buddhism slide. Get also you hate dogs and that was. That's in the opening part of the game. Is that the shadow man. He comes to the cabinet the cabin. She's talking. He's minneapolis the meet with buddha. Which and their canine bark and they have a scary bark. They show nightmares. Okay so yeah. This will scare the crap out of you. But craig was more into horror like what do you think about this. I mean i don't know anything about shadow man. This is really my first hearing about this. But if it sounds like the villain from lady in the frog i kind of liked that guy. He was cool. I'd like to learn more about him. What his deal is what did he sell his soul for to get a good deal or was it like oh man. I wasted my. I wasted my soul mean could deal. You know what that's the thing is both of them. Have a similar lake begin prescott. Both of them made a deal with the buddhism. Tight being but this game. You're not gonna meet a frog not gonna meet a princess or anything. You're just meet a lot of crazy characters and the guy just wants to get the heck out of here and see his family again. What prison doodoo type being very freaky looking out to say that i was like these are looking characters in us that undamaged entities. Yeah yeah i mean that. That's what is it's an action horror. Game in the style of laura croft tomb raider. And now that they're having like a remastered where like the controls are all modernizing all that with the improved a i an added bonus levels in things that were cut from the original game. Let's cool and it's probably not even going to be that much. It's like each of these games. Said that deep dive releases at most twenty dollars sometimes just ten or fifteen bucks so i think that'd be a great deal if you've never played man before this would be the definitive addition. You could get back in like okay. This is what people are talking about. Now i get an idea of what the movie could be when it comes out. The thing is regarding that movie before a gun the other news. There was another balance comics. Adaptation based on our common care drew did get a movie that came out last year right when the pandemic started so bombed because people looked at theaters as it released and have been diesel in it as the the lean. A with talking about blitstein. I was thinking about that. What sean bloodshot. Bloodshot shadow man is in the same universes bloodshot. Okay in fact. I remember in the original or what does it. We'll see. does this very interesting that they share universes. Yeah actually i think in the original game you can unlock. Skin were You can dress character or are can dress the shadow man up as bloodshot so there wasn't a bloodshot game though it shadow man was the only valid comic that i'm aware of that actually guide two games but the thing is the reason it didn't take off originally a lot of that has to do with a had back in the day. People had some assistance to black main protagonist in entertainment roles. You bring a principal in the in the frog prison. The frog actually went through some controversy originally came out. People were upset that there was a black disney princess and then other people are upset that hey it's a black disney princess. But he she's a frog most of the time. She's not really human so research. That's my says the same which i mean. Good news for that film. They did their course correcting that by doing a disney plus show all about princess said era. Yana yana sorry. She is gonna have her own. Original animated series where. She's not a nice. Yeah that's nice. I like that. I and like choose powerful. I mean she's a preschooler with so like she she's a doctor. Essentially to the stuffed animals like those cool really cool and like my niece was heard for halloween. Couple times out. So he's really. I've seen some games from time to time that had black protagonists and they did not sell well. And i don't know what the deal is made just the company in market them all or they're like your we. We don't have as much faith in this shadow. Man also came out at the end of a claim. The company that originally owned the video game licensed. They were going under and they didn't really have a lot to advertise. It was so pretty much the game tonight. Get much marketing fact. Now why people knew even had a sequel. That was the same with another game ahead. A black protagonist star hawk which i loved and sadly taint. It was one of pierra. Ps the ps three years bonds. The fact that in shut down entire company that was once popular because of were hawk that there spiritual successor takeoff in iraq by there was controversy around that care being black for for some reason. Oma gotcha black protagonists. Yeah i don't know if i want by us. And now that having a black protagonist cool. I could see the mindset of like okay. Let's bring him back. And your to dispose well. Maybe they'll make another shadow man game based off of the new comics that they're coming out with goes in addition to making a remasters night dive of also made full-fledged games they have the reboot of system shock coming out the summer they now have a full release date. It's coming out in the summer this year. Earl least they have eight ideal released aids coming up with some of this year for pc and consoles. So i'm looking forward to it. Because i want to root for this. I think it's really awesome to have a action horror superheroes story with the black main protagonists and i mean a simple motivation. I wanna do my bidding. So i can do the bidding of people curse me so i can see my daughter and wife again i made. There's even more to it goes. I got stuck on the game. Originally remember what i said that i sucked out gains backbone so actually never beaten shot her man but this is my time to be nobly so yeah. I'm i'm rooting for him. April fifteenth on steam. And they'll come out later on consoles. I do things that may not happen. They wanna go on that row. Bristles did the dumb out of the way that people are freaking out because they think mario is going away after march thirty first. Okay save you believe that for small now now deceased now like why are they wanna get rid of things making the most money into the phone nonsense. Okay do you know. I don't have anything to add to that. Mario colonial on all after say come on. Let's say most people are taking this as a joke. Eighty percent of the people were reacting. This are not actually believing mario's not doing well. I mean come on every time. There's a mario game that comes out the physical versions of these games. The sell our round the world no matter language barrier. You know. The face of mario mealey's from kid age like it's there's you can't it's like mickey mouse. You can't get away with. It is what it is and there's not there's no no one of the right mind in charge of money and everything like that. It's no it's me is. This belief is coming up the same week early Close the premiums the same month and women nintendo released or at least not now or landau. Japan they have their super. Mario world theme park. There is that hold yeah. It just came out recently in japan so japan having that successful lines. Which it's coming to this is going to head over the us but unveils its belt so all that money to say okay. March thirty first. Everything's coming down. No more mario. This all came when they finally realized. I don't know why at this point. But they're like oh awaits. The super mario three l. star is going to be taken off of the nintendo e shop channel or the digital stored march three. I that means. Mario is gonna be killed off. They're gonna take off all your take away. All mario 'cause nali that's going away but also battle royal mario game the the was that the super mario. I forgot the name of border cases. It's battery our. You're playing the old. Mario games against i think thirty five other people in the. It's like tetris. Ninety nine au work done it. Yeah that's going to be taken off line at the end this month and then some of the other things that they've had as well late the game watch mario that they build and also the a are mario kart game all that is. Yeah all that's going to be taken off at the end of this month released. They're not gonna make any more of it and so they've read up. The sting of mario game killed off the even. It was even hashtag a twitter. It's was a trending tag nintendo direct. I looked at internal direct like. There's an antenna truck coming. No the joke nintendo direct march. Thirty first mario's execution. They actually have a graphic image for that now while most people are just buying this joke and even teno came out and they were playing along with the two but they said to address the concerns. If you own the if your own. Super mario three d all stars. That's not going away after march thirty first. Like if you bought the game you don't have to worry about it. Like the the digital copy networking the physical copy. Networking you own it forever. It's for those who haven't bought super three world if you don't buy it now until march thirty first then it's gone along with those other things now. There was one person out there who actually did leave. Mario was going away and a he should know better. Because this is an industry better. David jaffe use some may know as the creator of twisted metal in god of war. He made a video addressing this and then another thing. We're about to talk about and he's like hey if you don't want the three d. mario world go away. Then you'd better by it. I mean that's what happens when something doesn't sell well then it's going to be taken off. Are you frigging kit. You think distant. So did he not see the articles saying physical. Copies are all outs. And they were china. Mean a mario game not selling well okay. If that is really intend to have this plano line. They on purpose. They were going to get rid of these games in these. A are these accessories at march thirty first. There was not while. We're going to get rid of this muscle cells. I mean it's sold. All of them. Sold them sold out. So you can't come in saying because people don't don't want these games that is not true. But yeah i can say i mean what i played the mario three d world. I i saw that. Yeah i like these games. I loved super mario galaxy but this is not worth sixty dollars. And you can get. Mario sixty four anywhere emulate him and enhanced. So it's like you're. I mean for me i just think the leaping worthen on that as mario sunshine unless you have the dolphin emulator then you can also say meyer doubts although you via the dolphin. layers so basically. You don't need that because the this port was the so slapped together that all even think it's worth paying for so the fact is leaving. I'm okay go ahead now or what what. I'm currently buying the game. You have you have a switch now. now you're buying a physical copy thousands. Okay let me address that to hauser's fury that's not going away. That's not in the group of montreal things that's gone away at the end of this month so again if you're worried about that game going away which also sold by coccyx army. It's a combo. So i feel like i can separately. Agnew never played. Well no you can get them both together as a combo. But i'm so you're confirming. That is going to get a switch. Yeah girl said that. I will all right but before maybe Lately onto something. That may go in. And i'm going to save me. I'm gonna put a huge astras. And i'm gonna explain why so this has been going out. Also trending on twitter. Playstation is cutting the power for the ps three the ps beata and the digital stores in the summer. July second after july second yielded no longer build a purchase. Digital games on your. Ps three august's is the same for the hand held systems. It comes as ads in astros. Because this comes from the gamer. Which people would know that. The gamer has been known for stirring up a lot of rumors that ended up. Not being true was this. Rumor does not take into account that there are still games being released for the vida even after july leading. Gop geez have been populating the playstation vita ever since sony of america stopped giving credit about it. So i mean how can you kill something off in july. Then store lease games for. That is a big question. The other big thing that may also conflict with these rumors now. This is very important. Is you're going to hear of people talk about this story in just think it's true and also just talk about the story itself but there is something that came out today that everybody needs to know of so sony. They have a patient like this is a new thing. We're going to add possibly going to add layer on for playstation and it's implementing trophies for games that previously did not have trophy support. What are the games that did not have trophy support previously. That would be all of the playstation two games on. Ps three the ps wanted ps. Two games they're released on. Ps three and then also the ps three games. That came before the trophy update. In addition there also talked about you. Know if you're gonna trophy you could trade that in for something else also trying to add more sensitive to trophies brother cases if that ends up going through that means gamers could have trophy support for. Ps three games that have trump. then that would mean while them adding this feature would mean you'd have to keep the digital store up or or maybe these games that you bought are going to be transferred and you can download them later on the. Ps five if there's some way around it or ps four gen. These are rumors that are probably going to develop because so many people have been talking about it. Let's i say the worst case scenario and the worst case scenario also includes the playstation four in eventually the. Ps five because there is also article coming out saying that. Sony may get rid of the playstation communities on the ps four next month in april which is weird because so many people don't even have a ps five yet to some game developers game developers who released games on systems. They told me they never got a ps five. They tried to get one and that is crazy. No of game. Developers who publish distribute games people play on the playstation five. Even do not have a playstation five. Because they can't get why 'cause scalpers and sells sales and everything worst case scenario though say the store goes away. You cam still download games very purchased butts. There is another little problem that will come around the. Ps three comes with a clock this clocking system if turned off which wo may happen soon after that choirs activity of some level. If this gets shutdown than the digital games that you purchase will no longer be able to function basically. This is an off switch or your all of your digital games. Now they shut down the clock system on your playstation three goodbye to all the money spent on. Dlc and pm games that you played another thing is there's a clocking system on the ps four as well but this one's even worse if that shuts down then you can't even play disc space. Ps four games. So riyadh you saying that you may eventually get a ps four someday well that a storage shuts down and also they decided to turn off the clock. You will not be able to play a ps four for any reason. The dispaced games digital gave no feedback. That you're basically buying a brick that it is there and you can turn it on. Maybe do something but that is crazy. That's definitely not sound financially. Sound to enact or by indeed so. I don't think it's going to happen first. Of all this rumor this might be true but once take with a grain of salt. I came from the gamer and the game. Her has Several articles that have not been true. Nobody from sony has come out and said anything about this. But the that's a real crazy thing to think of the worst though because it makes you realize that out of the big three playstation as actually the worst when it comes to backwards compatibility and game preservation. The reason i say this as well okay. Nintendo is awesome added but you can have stream any sem schemes and play them online. Capture them send photos for other people to see you can still play in purchased older games. They'll sell you back some. They're older games with sixty bucks which we could argue mayor and may not be worth it. Saudi is that company that says screw all games period. There is the oh actually set at himself or the recent ceo that we have right now. This is real so someone pulled out a tweet. An old tweet when are the currency. Oh is jim ryan. Jim ryan formerly. He was the ceo grow games. Creators kill zone and also recently horizon zero time. He said that when he started becoming. Ceo people gave him gave requests regarding the upcoming guests. Five to add backwards compatibility feature for previous generations and his response is laid. Why would you want that. He hit and then he goes on to say i. R- attended events. Were grand charisma. On the playstation one two three and four was being played and i looked at the playstation one and the playstation two version of grant Wow those look ancient who wanna play that so jump right in. The ceo of playstation basically hates old games unless if he changes his mind tonight today but someone dug up that tweet where he said that. And that's crazy. The fact that you would see accompanying relate to like old game slow. Sorry you're not getting with the playstation on the ps four. You cannot play. Ps three one games. They have a handful like a a few two. Ps four games that they stopped doing where the selective games get at sixty frames per second and trophies support. And then the other thing that god is. Ps now where. You can stream playstation selective playstation three playstation for and even a little bit playstation two playstation one games. I have tried the the. Ps now myself. And i can say that. That services very Baldy i had a lot of latency issues when trying to play games like dark siders or resistance three. So i'm like okay. Well if i'm just keep wagging for playing single player then i stick with my guy but now at the start of okay. This is and then. My last resort is playstation. Now if i ever wanna play. Ps three ps two or ps. One game or will like an ad my physical. Ps to buy the thing is when these consoles are dime and these games no longer sell. Sometimes the prices go up to a dramatic level pending on. How much stuck game is sold. And we've seen that with the ten of sixty four game cube we mentioned earlier. How super mario sunshine. If you were to get the physical disk today it would get you pretty much around one hundred dollars now on the playstation side you have a games have been considered classics like god. Hand and hand was the side western. Beat him up for guys who eventually do academy and all that and i mean god hand became popular. 'cause that's one game. Excuse to hate idea is they. I got infamous for given that game a three out of ten being the only game Publication to give it a bad review. Because that's what people are like. Oh you give this game of bad review you suck and even like current employees of idea. They went back and said no. We white god hand. Yeah those other people who wrote that review. Yeah we don't represent that or the cases that's a game that people love that. If you were to get the physical playstation two copy that would set you back around one hundred or two hundred dollars but on. Esn you could get it right now for ten bucks so you are at a loss of these digital stories. Go away because those the prices of some of these games will go up even more. Yeah and i. I've been talking. What do you guys think about. All all this is true. Let's keep that in mind. This might not have ever happen. Okay cool it's not sure okay Around you're gonna put some money on that. Finance speak can people who know better like you don't disrupt the thing that's still making money like. Let me tell you this though. That's the problem with this current. Ceo here jim ryan and not saying anything bad about him in personal. Because you know he's doing some great things. He recently got the play a home seat. There are some Four ps five games. You can download for free in keep forever astra's but there is a difference between the ceo. In the priest. Sony ceos jack trend new is just a jolly ma'am came from doing charities just to make everybody happy playstation even when they screwed up with the launch of the ps three. He was still humble about anyone who played any games and even bought the system and he will instill. Despite the held the launch went for the three he was the same guy who came back around made the. Ps four a success by get digging at microsoft for adding the drm now after he departed than we had a second ceo. I've got his name but he was also great because he created something that would be normalized for game companies now. That's the basque pace presentation. Where you're gonna show games after games after a tech and all that the last time. Sony was eddie three. There was some technical trouble there was. I mean it wasn't the best but that was on them trying to please qazi three said. Hey you gotta have a presentation at june. They didn't have anything ready. That's li- afterwards. Sony said screw three. We're going to have her own state of play. But he was cool. Then we get to. Jim ryan and i went on twitter today to find out that this currency oh he loves the talk trash he spends as you spent so much time talking trash is like the the nine racist trump. And i'll tell you why so. Someone comes out of concern to him about the playstation five. Okay six months. We none of us have a playstation five yet and his response in that guys concern was while you're buying her games right and hey a couple of us have playstation five including myself. Yeah no reality is like whoa. No no goethe's twitter. He is talking crap to this guy. Came out and try to take shots at game pass laid got some birds maybe hop hasley. That's the no. They were not a good choice. Words were bad choice. Words like what would you say that. And so when. Someone's wanting appeals. Five or to say. Hey i got final. The you're still paying money down white and they're speaking of the play at home his way of advertising the play at home can someone you know he's usually responds to twitter questions. And another person asks if i download horizons your diamond for free. We'll go away after the date and he said no if you download you keep it for free. That's the beauty of place aged home. We're not some plumbers turning thirty five or something passed that will expire soon. There's one where he talk crap about microsoft in tag. The xbox account like this guy is going on twitter. Does talking crap. I'm laid it's bo both i bowl. I mean i get. Maybe feels empowered because the playstation five is selling more than the xbox series x. It is a highly demand console. So maybe he's gone like ah-ha what give me a word number one and that's the issue sony. Is that right now. In fact this was in the earlier problem with when cross play was a thing. Sony was the one to reject cross-lake. They're like no we're sony. We're the best you play your games on our consoles. We don't wanna deal the microsoft and then ten now they got so much flack that they had to change their tune. I think this all this happened. When jim ryan was the ceo. So i think this guy is screwing things up for sony at the same time of making things work out for them. That's why people are even the common saying. Hey why don't you get a cheetah. I guess the head of a sony or use like one of the big executives or the cases have him become the president because although he does the response to fans with emojis. So what i wanted to. Ceo of playstation company. That's gonna make me feel good about myself. Not talk crap to me for being their customer. This guy is way too cocky. And that that's why i get from some people saying you what i'm gonna move over to microsoft goes yes microsoft's out of the three has the best plan. Ric comes do backwards compatibility. We talked about game pass even though it's not perfect because it's not every single xbox she's sixty game or game out there and he still had the collect the internet. It's still it's still a huge library of classic games. You can play on your xbox series x or s and sony is like no. We're too cool for that. They need to change this They're in belief that nobody cares about. Pf three ps one games. And there's some gamers out there who don't and i get that they're gamers zoo. Hate old games if the game looks even two or three years old. They don't wanna play anymore. But that's not every gamer out there. They're putting gamers or like you want to experience the infamous series. The most of it is ps three except for the last one on. Ps four ratchet and clank. I love this three ratchet clank games. I i've been playing the games. They are my opinion. The best series the ratchet clank and they're not available on. Ps four or ps five. Same the original ratchet and clank games. I mean other. France sly cooper sly cooper. I still haven't found any there. Hey if you don't be involved this is true. You may not have a chance to be after jill physical copy. Well you never know. They might shut them. Physical i don't know never know now. Most still that's another franchise that it hasn't carried over to the current generation at the time but also not so many people don't own a ps five. Why you're already jumped to shut down the previous generations plus the ps four is community system. When there's so many people playing multiplayer matches together still so we've talked about if this is your worst case scenario best case scenario either a they keep it up for another year while they're like okay. Let's figure out how you can carry your purchases overdue courage gen consoles or they'll be like no. This can work out. 'cause the defense of this happening besides some people hating old games. They're like well. Cerberus costs money and sunny wants to save money. So they're going to cut the power yet instill costing money because you can still buy playstation. Three's in stores now. They're not on the forefront as two playstation four's but you can buy the three sons slim's that will cost money if our make sure no stores is selling a ps three. Because you're you're selling a system that cannot possibly play. Ps three disgrace games but for sure as heck will shut down the digital games. Yeah but are. They selling new. Bs threes are used ps threes. You can't stop the sale of used product. I don't think they're still selling new. Ps three i think they are. Well i went to a gun. I i haven't been the walmarts since the pandemic but while i was at walmer relax some of that. A big store that sell console hardware. That was i think two or three years ago and i a. Ps three slums next ups force. So yeah but two or three years ago. Those were were prevalent as the five wasn't even a constantia. I think now it's like why would you want to buy three. You could buy a preowned one if you wanna play those old games. But there's no current incentive for you to buy an older system. Well so but then there's also as i mentioned before the ps five being unattainable for life people. So i mean it's our technically some people have it you gotta. Ps fi. But i don't have the goal is for you know all the games are on the. Ps four there's like nothing that's exclusive to the five right now so while that does suck. You're not missing out on anything. Really disappoint trying to drive. Home is that still doesn't give you not out. Oh well i can't get the let me go. Get it three all doing that. So it does make sense for them to shut down some of these things will. It makes sense to shutdown orange save multiplayer servers of had been. You like games said. Nobody's playing online anymore. That i do get but they're people will be like i've never played. Yeah i never played the infamous or or take another franchise. For example the ridge gabor games like gotta more one to ghosts and sparta. The psv ones and then got a worth while. The god of war three has been remastered. it's on. Ps four a. But you still have all these games. People consider to be classics even the resistance series. Their people love the resistance series. There's actually demand for new one. Insomniac has been teasing are kind of alluding to something resist in the future. That series is only on the playstation three. Now you can play resistance on. Ps now but then again. That's what were we go to the service. Yeah it's something. We have to see as will develop but i hope there's a clean situation up at and sony doesn't say sorry. All that money is gone. Go 'cause i think that will bite them. That will make people lake. Okay then why. Should i buy digital games on the. Ps four the ps five. If i'm gonna lose them eventually for good and especially with the. Ps four having a weaker clocking system that once that guy. You can't even buy a ps four for a reason again all the rivers. That's why we're sitting on here at temptation. We don't know so. Hey play your ps threes. There's a great games on the pse. So i dunno. I was something that microsoft's doing. So meanwhile jim ryan being abud face bill. Spencer has been everybody's favorite ceo. Spencer has been so jolly that regardless. If you wanna buy an xbox like on design here heat melts my heart whenever fills their goodwill. I am bill spencer. And i'm here to present xbox with xbox game pass now i am going to purchase discord for ten billion dollars so does cord your now part of the xbox family. Supposedly this rumored but what anyone be surprised. Considering microsoft has in the past but not as game franchises they bought skype. This is where people are concerned about discard. It discord is bought by microsoft's will discord. End up being like skype 'cause skype. In recent years people have been using a early since been popular now. Because if you go to business you go to zoom. You wanna do. Gaming dischord team speak. Skype is just kind of been then last laughs news thing and that's where people are concerned all microsoft by this court. What's going to happen. Dischord will you go on discord on the xbox or you got to connect to your microsoft account now i mean you owning disgra community. I think you probably have something to say about him. Possibly being under the microsoft's control adding phil spencer. Come in and advertise the smart glass and game pass having having to go on the do twit streams playing a harry potter on connect. How come walworth. He's like. Hey bill spencer ooh send you personally connect because i am a hustle. Puff and i was reading your ideas. I spencer here okay. I didn't even know until you until you explain who that was the currency. Oh mike xbox now today was like i'm thinking and hercules look now at. That's talking about. What are you talking about south or from the future. I mean really spencer. People those those spencer much they know reggie fees may i know i know i know about reggie like rule. Women cray cray. Hopefully i'm barely. I don't really know things at all. The question runs the question. What do you think if microsoft word by discount. What will happen to i. Don't think it would. I don't know what it's like. No i have no well. You might have to connect to your xbox account you might have to add in microsoft features or nothing. Maybe microsoft is by dischord for the heck of it. I don't think that'll be the case. If they're spending ten billion the by dischord they're gonna do something with ten billion yes. Yeah mill scott's gonna to probably do that. I mean likely. Even integrate dischord with xbox. I went out figure. If you're gonna spend that much money getting discord. Then you gotta have to have that relate to your interiors craig. what about you. I got nothing to not gonna affect me at all. Or i might have to log in with microsoft account but it doesn't nothing have to put it my stuff firm my piece okay. Cortana cortana will be In the voice. You're not use the voice an hustle puff or slithering plus. I'm raving call. What are you saying. Your i their part of the complete breakfast breakfast here because i i the the cinnamon toast shrimp. I was legit crying at two. Am s- laughing about this entire thing. Okay that's on the toast. Grim toast crunch cinnamon toast because the restrict found insides. Oh a bad thing. That's why i went to thirty. Because i learned hugging. I really do that. what that was. Well that is all we have on the show today. Of course the finest different podcasts as a platforms audio video and all that good stuff in yada yada facebookcom Joint art discord before we get bought by microsoft in the community. You get to have fine. We do watch parties Until we to watch all the halo. Tv shows we'll be bought by microsoft inhaled tv shows. There are halo radio dime. The halo enemy isn't halo annemie series of hill shirts. Yeah having story now that it's real and yet there's going to be gives award movie dave batista soon. So we're gonna have to watch that the outward we're under microsoft's control. We have to do everything. Microsoft tells us under control. this is not is. he's he's our phil spencer. he's our lord and savior. Wow now yes he will take us to the promised. Land place. no no no. How pregnancy your worship. Craig needs worship. Will praise fail. Take us to take us away from the jim ryan guy high. I got nothing now. These names anyways. Okay yeah so. Yeah greg bird up in also additional than That's gonna along. Yeah it's been going to a moving moving steady. Hey spell out your name again your candles. Brd triple up me up all the stuff. You're gonna podcast return. i'm around. people can find me right. They say about the song in my head. What's that star. 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Porco Rosso with Justin Charity

Blank Check with Griffin & David

2:21:39 hr | 1 year ago

Porco Rosso with Justin Charity

"Right right breath bed and you don't. I don't know what uh-huh I'd rather be a podcast than a fascist Porco Rosso top-five guy you think so I think a top-five Guy Right. Can I just WANNA get out of the way with something. I'm I'm kind of embarrassed by. I think this is my favorite one. We've watched so far I why almost I was almost certainly would be yeah and this is why I'm kind of embarrassed. Okay I feel like I'm falling harder for the kind of basic ship. What do you mean the base and basic is relative within a Miyazaki who've right none of basic no? I don't understand what you mean and we haven't gotten a spirited away. You know which I have seen right but you don't remember when I was fifteen didn't get what's going on. Forget it right right and I felt kinda somewhere on the twitter every watch I'm a little barris by don't be embarrassed. Totoro to me would be the basic one. That's like the most famous one of all. I know. That's why I'm saying I'm not getting into the ones that are like see right. You're not getting into the super. The Super Proteomic Me Izaak. I feel like the ones I'm getting into are the ones that are a little more Western like your favorites are Kogyo Stroh in this which are like Kinda set in Europe kind of like kind of about like action heroes right right right. PORCO Rosso is like so consciously know Masha like forty Hollywood. Yeah sure that's that's my my embarrassment. Is that the stuff where they're like. This is so much like this you never would find. Ns in American animation look at me as ocoee spiritually is now connected to nature and how willing to non narrative places and I feel like those ones I'm appreciating appreciating and not connecting with her or even those elements in the movie. I'm like a preview. Don't love nature. You're not really a nature guy I don't. I don't think of you as someone who's there's like guys. Let's go to the Hudson Valley and hike guys. Let's let's stay by a lake for a week. I'm not a fan of answer right. It has been a prominent almost every antic antic relationship I've ever had sure because classic you know. Let's let's upgrade the relationship is your Griffin go together. Desert's it's planes. There's there's all environment vacation as long as it's planes. I want to be in some plane. You're saying planes drifter yeah. You're saying okay the walgreens not airplanes planes like I mean look I don't I don't WanNa out myself as some like nature nature Dayton asshole but when you listed those things I my body physically ten. Stop all three of those things when you said like spotting books yes I did. I felt so I started holdings INC on his no. I felt my shoulders rise a little higher which each of those things I can appreciate it but like any time in nature and it's beautiful. I'm like this is beautiful. So how long before we get taught by just feel now I mean let's let's call it some other things right. Let's just like address all the elephants in the room okay and realize there were so many elephants in the room. I'm not designed for this world. Okay I'm saying my body is terrible and it feels like I'm someone who in like a society that is still actually based around survival of the fittest right would survive the shortest period of time and I think nature scares me because I'm not supposed to survive in natural environments. I only have been able to stay. Stay alive in this horrific or official Manhattan manmade. That's the thing about you. Yes you haven't even straight to the outer boroughs. You're like I'm sticking with Manhattan like the moster urbanized of the cities boroughs. I have straight but it's my home base. You've lived there. You live in Manhattan right. You've never lived outside. I've never lived outside of. Obviously you've gone. Ah just to make it sound like nice eye. Contact anytime retired bit traveling to call yourself to now travel but I do. I usually go to cities. I would say I do and when I go outside of cities. I get a little stressed and I didn't realize we were going to get into this because it was something something I've been thinking about but yeah right. I've been thinking you could talk. Just yeah please nature is awful. Thank you and Poker Osos the best news okay okay. This is great. I don't think it's that Western. It's pretty Japanese I think even with how European it is it but it is. It's one of his movies. That's like explicitly probably not set in Japan. This is set in a bond movie bond movie. I'm just saying I feel like I get the ones that are half-and-half you. You know what I'm saying like. Stroh is like Europe Caper v like Eastern Miyazaki storyteller sure but also via like one one of the most classic anime franchises right right right. I hear what you're saying but I think yeah half is probably the right way to think about it and I'm a little worried going into spirited away because everyone thinks that's like the best fucking movie ever made I had. I watched that movie for for some around the same time like fifteen years. I had the exact same react. The first time I watch bearded away sort of like what this is a very bewildering movie didn't quite get it. I just WANNA be able to like four. This mini series series. Come back to it and be like I get it. I'm converted. I love it. Look at me in touch with it. I love the people being friends with a river. You haven't watched spirited away no but I'm worried and have the same thing where I go like. This is very pretty. I get it but it's not as nature is it's mostly said in the bath how it doesn't have to be the nature stuff. I also feel like it's sort of like non literal spiritual. You've got you. You're saying that it's not that much about nature but it is literally about a girl fall in love with a river run foreigner love. He needs to understand that he's a river. Get back in touch with them so she needs to understand she's a whole person and he needs to understand that he's a whole river right and this is my nightmare my if you are river it would be like as the metamorphosis says I be fine being a bug griffin himself a river I would be terrified and in the worst thing is I wouldn't know how to end it. Do you know what I'm saying the guy that's dark. It's dark but I I wouldn't know how to end it Kegoe Stra. You liked left. I'm just watching Lucas Lucas and watching the show Lupin your watching like the first series Hasas guy feel like you were into very into but again. It's a it's an action movie like actually really Totoro was the one where you were kind of like wise this like hitting some deeper and look I I like porno but I read it below pork Orosa Castle in the sky and Lupin and I know plenty of our best friend and opponent Ham. I haven't seen Puna. It's like the one move I just. I have never seen it on IOS pretty cool. is pretty good movies. It's you know it's so so scared and his mom but she's fucking banging and here's another we're going to raise the table for hilarious back okay. Here's another thing I've been. I've been wondering if it if I should've watch these in the dubs and it's a sacrilegious thing to say now. I'm going to watch them all subbed because this is actually going to tell you to watch this but as fucking Michael Title Keaton I figured you were Polka rose or are you fucking kidding pretty good. It's kind of a quiet performance by him. I watched the trailer and I was all in yeah. It's great we can raise the table right now you. You should watch it. What is his laugh sound? PORCO laughs a lot more a lot. He does a good laugh. Okay Japanese like Japanese rules to be clear. I mean you loved. It loved it now that you've seen the sub especially watch the duck. I know I feel like if I was a professional. I would be watching each of these two times before recorded the episode. You don't need to watch the duck before you record the episode because like it's not gonna it's only going to confuse the matter honestly but after yeah you can always go back to those dubs. It's any of the small changes are good yeah and you watch I mean you mostly saw these dubs before subs right. No I saw spirited it away no mostly no mostly Nice yes yes because that was just on TV and stuff and theatrically you saw the right same but spirited I saw in subtitled theatrically came remember with how I think I saw that one sub dispirited away I remember seeing dubbed and thinking the WSB at the Dublin spirited spirit is not amazing right the girl the main two girls are just not. It's Lillo Leila. What's your name data also Leila? She's white. She's like Barry. White Girl didn't realize that okay MHM performance. It's a great performance. We launched issues so fucking. I haven't like I haven't seen a movie in almost twenty years. I Guess Yeah Tasinari CEPA. You said that that in Brighton Okay Disney's. I think there's shooting days. Basically I think they're the two best film home since wallpaper. I don't think that Ashman that's not true. That's crazy. I like him more than all musical. That's that's I don't. I don't I agree with you but that's okay. I think is a perfect thing and I remember being Leila is also kind of closest. Disney's come to making something that feels was a little like Miyazaki. It's very American in its storytelling treasure planet. It's got some Yuzaki but Balilan such as like is very small and intimate is all about the inner life you now and acute creature and the way they like involve like the the fantastical with the lake the whole relationship between Leland her sister and how much of the movie is about like this single mother trying really hard not a single mother and older sister who is forced forced to become a single parent and doesn't have time to like be her own age. now that I'm watching these muzhaqi films feels like that is the subplots plot every Miyazaki often. There's some sort of human spine to it like that tote around yeah all right well interest US spelling check griffin do a podcast Kessel from Agassi's directors have massive says early on the career and gives us. Here's a blank checks make whatever cruise parents want and sometimes they connect more with Griffin sometimes they don't. I like them all. I haven't disliked a movie. I've seen I just wanted to suddenly have a galaxy brain and be like I know Kung Fu. You know like I get it. I get the whole nothing it's fine. I Love Harare so he's a top five Guy Polka Russell Series on the film's a high yeah yeah what's it called. It's called House moving podcast and who's our gas justin charity damage control also co host of sound. Only we recently did an enemy podcast that we and even Galleon podcasts called Sowell idea yeah we did a mini series about neon neon Genesis Saving Kellyanne me and Mike Peters we did like the original TV show we did the movie the involving Galley and now we have a bunch of people and Sean Fantasies Mentions Chins campaigning for us to do the like even Kellyanne reboot movies and also cowboy bebop shirt. Will that will see a decent ago she ations. We'll see what happens I highly recommend watching original Lupin fucking the best. He's also a tough. I've watched any of the new loop like I've only watched. Ah Watching the first series. If you like Porco Rosso I recommend the it's not the most recent season campaign but it's one before that which is set unlike Milan European yeah good you know here. Here's the thing if you're digging into this. I've been trying to like exposure therapy. Break Down my walls with Japanese animation which I feel like I've been very selective in terms of what I've been able to connect with previously trying to like breakthrough all my my dumb western Biases Right you love animation though that's the thing you love the whole channel you just gotTa start familiar loving animation. We talked about this and I've been doing it. I'm getting into stuff but we talked about this. I think in a castle in the sky episode the fact that I love animation so much means that I so imprinted into American animation merchant shirt and it's like I I have to sort of and it's easier for me to do now but when I was younger as this is not how I understand animation to work so I was a kid got really into like structure and forms and patterns and things like that and it was so off the beaten path. I was experiencing even Jillian Evans complained to Netflix versions are fucked with right yeah. high fat is I have complaints about people's complaints because I was gonNA maybe take a swing at that. Might've Mike no not not fuck with it enough that watching it on Netflix is not like sacrilegious basic basic through with all. This stuff is like if you're not watching something in the original Japanese watching you're watching a translation of so watching one translation versus. It's like you're you're not watching the original things are translates English table chain liberties yet. That stuff is more like licensing problems in anime. They just in general has a lot of problem even the idea of getting even Gillian Net Flix yeah. It took a decade in some chain because the fuck anatomy industry is a nightmare and getting the rights to anything is very byzantine process and I think all of that show getting on Netflix and people being like well they didn't license fly me to the moon food. It just felt like kill me. Get the fuck out of here. They also replaced fly me to the movie another classic song from the original series like they were in replace it with Gangnam style yeah. It's kind of good yeah yeah yeah yeah just imagine trying to explain navan Genesis Genesis neon genesis two weeks after yeah right. What's a robot start there? There is that amazing I only found found out about this because of you might remember this lots of noble castes. Do you know about periodic table. Do you know about the Frank Sinatra space album. Yes I do too one of the early what's episode which was written by narrated by crane along with. Yes as I said this is the only reason I know about that but he did this triple album which is where his cover of New York New York comes from it but it's also like him going like Pluto place so you re discs okay. It's a triple album. It's called pass future present. I disc frank do and has classics right the standards second disc frank covering like present day like recent recent songs so he does New York New York that's him. I think doing something for the first time it's it's right a lot of the like Billy Joel Song it doesn't Neil Diamond Song Post seventy s songs Sinatra cover that are famous all come from that second disc and then the third disc no one talks about future a future and it's frank singing like and what of Pluto the smallest planet it's incredible. It's got this like bushes czar like ziggy stardust production great albums nineteen eighty. I think it's incredibly old Sinatra so maybe he was like gum. Digging your baby more robots suits I went to Japan not allowed to reenter diplomatic agreement to be struck by Jimmy Carter. Oh I called in a favor because I am deeply connected to the American American mop these crazy little green man. I love them kind of all the impersonations that I've ever have this five commissioner. I was driving down sixty six with Jimmy Hoffa. We ran into these real alien cats. He shot him in the face and we buried him in Nebraska. I just go to Nebraska Angie Dickinson. I took a wild weekend trip to area fifty one the first draft choice Porco I mean if you compare to attorney or like that Era Frank Sinatra you can pick them up curved by critter Shit Kirsch it but when I was looking for when I realized that Keaton was the voice of Porco Rosso and I want to find a trailer for the adopt so I could hear the voice I found a youtube clip of when they were playing all the jubilee films. I think it was right before Disney properly released all of them Chirp they were playing them all on Turner. Classic movies and Lassiter and Ben Mankiewicz would do the introductions together and Ben Mankiewicz made a really interesting point where he was like this is of all the Miyazaki films we've been covering this is the one that probably fits most at home on the one movie that feels like it could have been a fifty percent like that right and then he's fifty percent Kinda Wilder Miyazaki Shit but he said he was like you could imagine the three leads in this film being played played by like Gary Cooper and Carole Lombard and I forget who the third person he said was but I think the answer is Sinatra Played Grosso you could play poker right older Sinatra trickling Porco like fifty senator comeback. Oh you're right baby-faced could play the would have been too young to play old PORCO but old Sinatra's the perfect perfect guide up late fifties Sinatra can do it fifty Sinatra could do it he. He was pretty old in the man with the golden arm because in in the fifties he's in his mid to late. Forget puts forget. It was such an old man he was born in one thousand nine hundred fifteen yeah he's old old but kept young by those crazy muscians kids. I loved his on this planet. I'll sing you a song. GotTa play by my rules Green Mas pills in the episode. Where do you think he's Saturday? I don't Oh boys take. What's that but you hate hippie? He's the most anti I don't hate hippies hippies. You actually were refined with hippies sixties music ahead of huge influence culture. I dislike at Charlie Manson rolled up on me. I would have shot him square in the face. I think I got two things against Sinatra. A because I'm from New Jersey he's been shoved down my Garoppolo higher life sure it's like Sinatra Joe Biden man and that's like New Jersey and that he was born there and he was like twelve years like Outta here places a dump I mean I think there's like a famous mugshot of him. Him being arrested in hoboken. Yes tries to kill the governor. That's like the poster that people have on their fucking college. Oh Yeah yes of course where he kind of looks like Jon Diligent eligible yeah right right okay because we're making fun of him. You're doing his like singing kind of like schtick. It's not singing. He's just saying so. He's an incredibly he can. He can sing a lot of the guys forty goes for tastic. He's got pipe but yes later as career. The thing you could mark was him just sort of like release and I saw I saw the the second shot some good songwriting into bent so the second Byrd I never knew you at such a beautiful cleese. Oh yeah can sing. You can sing like an angel. Come fly with me okay enough of me. Where do you stand on Bruce as you love Bruce Bruce Bruce? My Man Bruce is like blue collar hero right but like we're talking about how good the Broadway slash net flicks specials as were. He's like I never worked in a factory crash bullshit. I'M GONNA fucking professional musician what he's talking about fancy. Nancy Twenty never worked in a pack. My family was into town you. It was not my life at all. I just found it. Only darkness is in the rooms. I don't enter in my mansion because it's so large okay well. I resisted bruce a lot too because it was so shut down my throat my dad's music but then later in life I discovered it and it's just like Nebraska Yeah in the USA. There's so many even as late eighties albums are so fantastic tastic. He's just a great songwriter so I've come on board to the Bruce Train. Where are you from Justin Richmond? He's from Virginia to the outskirts of Richmond Richmond's famous Deangelis. That's I mean that's I always associated with the hip hop scene the Angelo singing atmosphere. Oh Wow you spent time in richmond trying to find like you the list where it's like famous people from yeah. There's not someone who's like shoved down the throat in the same way Benz talking about though no like a clear cut like this is our pride and joy sort of no. He's the one who got up made good. I mean the the problem with the Angelo. Jason didn't really make it out he sort of got stuck in enrichment for a while and was going through some time we his down period was enrich yeah yeah if you'd read about him on local news it was it was rough with him. Apparently what is the guy with the hat Jason Mraz you say I never knew that or at least aimee Mann an apparently gals Charlottesville yeah but I think he's associated with Charlotte's yeah yeah let me see Oh Chris Brown who yes CB's from Yeah CB's Richmond Oh trey songz okay okay. I'm trying to see that's better trey songz from Petersburg and Guar Guar there from Richmond bar rules. Do you know that Guar every ten years they cycle through new characters and their due for a new set of characters might be behind on this. You might have already debut me. I love choir. Those kids from Richmond those crazy kids will love with their helmets and oversized weapons and I went to a show runs out socked in the jaw was part of the experience and I I love more than a couple of cats from school coming up with a conceptual theater project that somehow charts as a legitimate band. Maybe HEP cats from art. School is definitely Cleveland. Richmond is that when I was growing asking me who the best kids making music today are it's for me. Frank Sinatra diva would tate Frank Sinatra and frank would love. Do you get kids. You don't like disco either right right these kids. They can't stop whipping at this. We arrived on for Parker because Frank. Sinatra is the voice performance in English. That's it that's it live action pork or a rip rip. I'm not surprised the loved this movie. I am surprised you did not flip your audio channel over the English just to at least check out old keady eighty. I was really tempted. I did for a second or two but I was like. I'm GonNa Watch the Second Time I love this movie. Let me fully engaged with it and as the the master himself south intended but God so fucking tempting to hear that like you know why I didn't flip over more because I was afraid I'd get stuck on it like all the other ones we've been watching. I flip over a little bit just to get a lay of the land and if I start hearing key for more than two seconds I'm GonNa be sucked at right. I was telling David before we started recording that I went back can watch this movie last night without the subtitles but also without English dubs because it's just like sometimes. I like doing that with animated stuff. It's sort of like you get the Keno instead of just just sort of how does this movie work just visually sort of with the energy of the voice performances format even if I don't understand the original voice performances and I don't know for such a a weird premise of a movie like pretty easy to follow the Russell also very easy. Not they plot light. There's not a lot of crazy like he's wearing goggles. The entire movie pretty much he takes them off one time and he's got an bushy moustache. Ask that covers a lot of his mouth like coca. Roseau is facially kind of stoic importantly though nearly a few times he has like a weird buzz in the back of his head head. Yeah I love yeah exactly like landing show. I don't know why this is so cool full. He's pretty cool so I was in from started the movie now it's like fuck. This is my favorite one for the moment he's asleep on the beach in his chair with the Hollywood magazine over his face grotto. It's a fucking pig. You know I love pigs to think I knew that. I didn't think you hated pigs. Pig Pig thing. I have a big thing I didn't eat any a pig products until the last five years of my life because I felt solidarity parity with pigs that I was like I'm not eating any any derived making started making five years ago. What was what did it come into Bacon so good so they're saying Oh my God I don't i what could be There's an item at Costco called the chicken bake the chicken bake. They sell at like the food stand that Costco which you know of course is one of my favorite your favorite place to eat right yeah okay. It looks like it looks not dissimilar from your very popular. Dunkin donuts a BAGEL twist option. It's like a Bagel twist but stuffed with it's kind of like a chicken roll from a pizza cheese. He's right Caesar dressing sure chicken and Bacon. 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That's confused aimed after Miss Piggy I didn't I didn't know that either well. It was like a culmination nation of that and when I brought her home the first time she made a mess of my apartment the turn into a pigsty yeah she she did all the business business on herself. So then I had to try and put it in the shower and that wasn't good and then she just ran around tear everything up this funny aac yeah. This is sound fun. I wish wish I could watch that film that yeah okay. Hey cat ownership is tough. Then you should pitch this equation. He gets an autism. The heart is a producing okay. I love cats student over there. The kids like six minute thing when Ben pissed me his crazy project I said Katzen and Katzenberg. It sounds like a match made in Pluto. Oh the smallest of the planets. Do you think if he was back today he heard that like Neil degrasse Tyson made Pluto not a planet punch that I hope he would make distracts just do you think Sinatra you are off covens Shum to go like full McCartney and like you know guest don like a Kanye travel. You know what I mean like collaborate. Don't you imagine he'd be like the subject of lots of Click Bait. He would just give outrageous. Maybe he'd would be like Shatner on twitter yes yes. That's exactly it tells it like it is. I don't know he's a New Yorker like the guy but he's got brass balls. How old was he when he died? Let's say he says eighty two one thousand nine hundred Yep. I remember that's the sketch yeah I remember most from when Giuliani hosted. SNL strengthens the he hosted the night that he won the election yes and he. There's a sketch that Giuliani has an old Italian mother. I think was Sharyo. Terry Giuliani crossing crazy and it's not in New Jersey and the premise is that like Sinatra's kind of been on his deathbed okay and they're like all terrified. Everyone knew Sonata. We might lose them. I just remember that it's a weird weird not in it. It's just about that. It's Giuliani as the matriarch with his adult daughters. Others say Sinatra not framed pictures. Frank will never die crossing myself yeah yeah I prefer Giuliani's early really funny work yeah right. you know making the Staten Island ferry free very funny. They'd bit great beds so Russell so this is your rather be a pig and Juliana voter. When did you come to this movie? Justin sounds like you were later in terms of getting to most of the Ezaki. No I saw it's funny like you were saying earlier like I actually didn't like a few the Miyazaki movies I saw when I was a kid and I I watch Totoro for the first time like several years ago I love Totoro and so I just assumed that my I take from childhood. Were bad right and it yeah I would say like maybe six or seven years ago. I watched Totoro. I watched Nelson okay. I read the NASCAR mangga which is much larger a lot more sprawling than the movie and I got to Polka row so maybe like two or three years ago. and I wanted to fucking kick myself. I had to see him. I just had this sense of. I don't know there's there's there's sort of this myth of high Almaz ocoee of like what he's like that not that many animators get you look at me as ocoee and he's just like smoking in cigarettes and being extremely dark and sarcastic and interviews any watch PORCO Rosso Pogo is not like that. He doesn't have that weird glib yeah sort of nihilistic edge that Miyazaki has but everything else about Porco like the fact that he's just a guy who's like working on his fucking airplane and he's looking cigarettes. It's like Oh. This is the guy who makes these movies yeah. This is my insight into who he is. He's a pig yeah. I I feel like yes. I do feel like I get a greater sense of him watching this movie him as a as an actual person not what his worldview is the yes him him as a person is in this is the most in this and win writer yard the most plainy movie right troop session right and that thing of just like I can't relate to you if you're not well-versed planes yeah yeah and it's funny 'cause arose around the lake. You know Polka Roseau's adapted did from it. It's like they're Misaki. Manga that are actually larger and feel more Manga even adapted from fifteen page Manga. That's just I think Miyazaki Sake has talked about him like fucking in the nineties I really loved drawing planes and there are three different art books and mango where he's just drying planes and he's getting coming insanely detailed about the big health store Taivon's. Where's the pork arrose stuff is just here's some planes uh-huh okay this? This is the thing I want to read okay so right. He writes a man called the age of the flying boat but the film was originally planned as is a short in-flight film for Japan Airlines. Yes based on the Manga grew into a feature length Ville yeah. That's just wild insane if you look at the money it's it's like you can read it. In five minutes fifteen pages read in five minutes and that's the movie Bork Arosa but it's also like if they were like Delta airlines hired Martin Scorsese Eighty to make their inflate film and he got so caught up with it turned out to be aviator that is vic craziest origin of a film. Everybody wants to do a short film and then it's like Oh. This is a feature happens to I just love it. They're like me. It's really simple. Inflate movie talk about planes. I literally just buckle the seat belts the oxygen bags exit rows and he's like cool cool. It has expanded into a ninety minute inherited talk about war fast yes and the toll it takes on men and turns them into picks when they tried to enter heaven or reject this they were short walk is the book is planes right and he was like I cannot what a poor gross still had a scene where PORCO Rosso gave out safety yeah yeah we're proceeding. Apply your oxygen mask. I yes or before helping others. Yes always freaked me out when I was a kid. Hey Yeah don't like it now doing fine. Actually I know you don. I love it. You love it. Yeah crazy. Don't like cars. Have you ever been in a small single engine plane. I feel like I have I have. I got some five one so let me fly a plane Coo Yeah Oh shit. Let's let's just my favorite. This person's license told me the statue of limitations horrible crime is my friends irresponsible. We'll step that okay when you were a kid. Take the stick kid up his go and down his and I wanted me to the moon and he let me it just do that kind of move gesturing we're like I kind of turned the plane on its side. You did like a half barrel roll. Yeah Fuck Ben. I wanted to go to space camp so bad as a kid hid did get the fuck you talking about like. What are you buying food not space cam? Meanwhile you're doing barrels like fucking star. Fox is great. I hate the music you should make a star Fox movie. This movie is almost Fox movie as a big man especially in the last twenty minutes and this move very very you know get back here so let me get back here do a barrel. I should mention though having to jacked rushing that was that was unfortunate for you. Yeah Oh boy. I don't think I've told this story on the podcast before I went to space camp. Wow No you fucking I went I went. I went to Florida. I Okay I had this brochure. You went to the place where I had the brochure for this now but here's the story. It's a traumatic experience for me. One of the centerpiece attractions is that the driver scope which everyone watches from the side hiding goes like that's what I think. I'm going to be able to handle that whereas I'm like Oh. I know I won't be attending. Keep the deposit everyone last three sec back right then the final thing is when you get to do the simulation of the cockpit and they give you a binder that has a script and everyone has a role and my role was exercise expert which was such a fucking bummer kind of a disastrous role for you. It was like you're on the exercise bike and you have to keep epilogue of how it you're fucking hate. How long does the simulation take like an hour okay? You're like in like a capsule and it's like Oh. You're the pilot year the engineer you're the exercise expert and one person gets to do like the space walk like one person gets to go out in the arm and like in that role all is shown much cooler than everything else. You're not floating right. You're unlike robot a robot arm. It's it's pretty Jim Bulls Bulls analog but someone's like maneuvering you around. You're on a rig or whatever from my memory exercise scientists is the worst I fuck position. I hate it but I was already at this point like completely traumatized because the other big thing is here's our zero gravity like sort of simulation in the way they do it is it's essentially like a wall of rock climbing wall okay with like police except the wall is just kind of like a grid it looks like the set for rent or something right. It's like a metal grid of bars and chat and on the the pulley the other side of the police on the other side of the grid and on that side is your weight in iron impounds right so they way you before you get on it and then you get on this thing and because there's an equal weight when you jump up it feels like you're sort of zero gravity and you can clamp the wall and whatever that's simulation of like this is what it feels like to be able to whatever I was a like a dangerously underweight kit right so they just took like somewhat sack lunch input on the other side well. It was a thing where my dad was like. If you get to one hundred pounds I'll buy you a Tamagotchi sure and I wanted at that time gushing. I finally got it was a very old statement. Yes you got it but it was in two thousand fifteen. Yeah I got it from my thirtieth. My parents finally got me Gottschee. You've hit Ondo Right but I was like sixty pounds and they were like you gotta eat more. They're like funneling ice cream cream into my mouth like everyone's afraid I was going to die and they were just gain weight gain weight gain weight and I got on the scale at space camp and I was like like I got him one hundred and five pounds and I was like this is. I can't wait to call my tell them. Tom Gosh you ready for me. I'm coming home and I'm cracking got Eddie right yeah and of course I had not miraculously gained thirty pounds just while at space cam there's ice cream their skill was is broken and so they plugged me in and they let go and I shot up to the ceiling and you're in like a big like hanger and they couldn't get me down for two hours. Ahead Matt is based not exaggerate. This sounds so strong sleep over for like you had to stay there for and I left my almost all at home and it was a nightmare. I didn't know he had no mode Hanauma. Doll your big ullmark. I was big al Kid but the other part of it was that I would sleep on the elmo every night like as a pillow. Oh okay pillow ELMO head to look. What about pillows though do you ever hear about those? There is in a nose but I was so used to that shape that when I got old enough that was embarrassed about the height hi my pillow case. It's pretty cute griff. You're weird reported on them before but you are weird good but my main take it from space. Camp is two hours where they were like with a megaphone like the only way you're getting down is by yourself we don't have there's no way for us to get up there and to reach each you in there so much weight working against you. They were like you have to reverse climb down the grid. I'm not sure that I like the idea of space camp telling me there's no away for us. That's not the problem solving that I saw a movie like I man I feel the whole point is problem solving nine years old and I was it's like two foot one I would sixty pounds and they were like you're going to have to use your brute strength to carry your way down to the ground again right right right. No Elma broken scales broken scale exercise expert terrible fucking racket PORCO orca Russell Crowe Rosso say Bro so-so rhyme yeah. He's the red pig the criminals do you like that typewriter intro and all the languages pretty good. That's the thing like right away. I was like this funny jamming on this this movie. This movie is having a laugh with the form a little bit. He's World War One fighters he is. He's a freelance bounty hunter yeah Griffin's best friend. He's one of my best friends. He chills out cove. He loves old Hollywood sure but he pushes people away yeah because he's he's big. He's discussing pig. All middle aged men are pigs as he tells us late in the movie house. That's why he's a pig is either that or that heaven may be rejected him and turned into a pick nick right right right like fifty one fifty the other right but also wore makes pigs us all this thing that it's like. He's the best at doing thing thing. That's inherently Kinda fucked shirt. You know what a hero he shoots people out of the sky undiscussed pig murder as you said he should children in the beginning he he he the movie opens with like so heroin. It's this bond style like everything's happening and he's like shooting at Children's Rosalie but he shouldn't get children well. They're these air. PIRATES BEARD'S A big teeth. It's GonNa take them down. I love the pirates. Pirates are so good opening with a bunch of pirates kidnapping put like young girls wha that's good. It's good like there's no point ask you why that's the beauty of this movie I love the girls being like looked at pirates tak- a serious cut to them like five minutes later and the kids are jumping around and they're like we shouldn't take an all the kids tuning we could have proven the same point with like two. There's a handful now and Porco so good that the pirates higher this asshole called Curtis ought to help them fight PORCO. WHO's like Ronald Reagan combined with Douglas Fairbanks American in there in Italy just played by Carrie? L. was in the Doug which is funny. Yes he was a Robin Hood Parody Point Right but then carrier was also plays like he's in like a ton of these right just like David Ogden stiers came one of those guys that I just do your dubs whatever funny he's the cat in whisper of the heart and the cat returns. I believe I love. I love character. I haven't watched Oh my God only jubilees. I've never seen characters fucking back in this one it does you're in pork Rosa. No I'm not I can't just be stupid yeah. He's done. You're right. He's done three. GDP Dobbs David Guitars who plays Mr Piccolo in here. I feel like he's done on multiple jubilee dot COM well he also he was like cogs worth and he's yes he did so many David Ogden stiers yeah he's also so jump and only loans yes yes and he's commodity and spirited away. Come on he's The dad and better that Justin. I feel like Oh no oh you. I guess you gave Your Your Miyazaki your his personality. Do you have anything else you WANNA say about music before we do I like when did you get into Miyazaki well. I don't like you already into the lake t to Griffin's earlier point about like Gidley your relationship to Japanese animation. Maybe being contingent on your feelings about Western animation gets even more complicated because Japanese film animation is so different friend from Japanese TV animation and so I have been able to access much easier yes the distributions totally different and as somebody see who I my highest loyalty animation is still a Japanese TV animation and think that accounts for why I used to have like a lot of trouble with me as I can and I was just sort of like like I don't get it. was that the case from a young age did you get into anime early yeah yeah I the first enemy ever watched with sailor moon okay frightening and I didn't get into the Miyazaki. I didn't really start getting into me as I can tell like a yeah I'd say easily fourteen maybe and it just so totally different and I also think the way that he has ocoee movies used to be marketed in the US was so strange they were very felt like they were marketed with this very self conscious prestige to them and I don't way to object yeah here hi how hard working I think in retrospect that is not the way to approach it is fascinating that like in Japan he is of course the most mean stream yet like the equivalent of like a blockbuster film. May I think he is for the top ten highest grossing films in the history of Japan the list up because they want to quiz you on them at some point in the podcast quiz me I WANNA do a reverse box office game with the top ten Japanese films because I looked them up last night. It's a pretty fascinating. Do you have the list. I'll do it at at some point. Maybe in this episode of we don't have box office real Orissa which feels like we won't I mean once again. We have like a you know twenty eighteen rerelease I I might I might call my shot but sailor. Moon was sort of your entryway and yeah and like Japanese TV animation right and so so I think for a long time I'd say really only in the past ten years of I really tried to get more into Japanese film animation. What are your like your top TV shows what are your say eva a the original sailor moon okay ah I mean I you know I think I I like a lot of the mainstream shit like cowboy bebop? I guess I like some of the more trolley rolley lake some two thousand and stuff. I think that's when it gets weird. It gets very like I don't want to say fishy but it it's sort of like the anime he initiated. Ah Yeah her he's a really like because that that is like the ultimate sort of like troll when he said troll show you mean they're trolling or it's about trolls trolling Richard have any role and ask no Susan me as a show. Oh that is trolling okay like down to the level of like which order you should ideally like ideally watched the episode thin like it is a very fascinating Lee he constructed show that goes off the rails and its second season yeah but it is a it's a great it's like one of my favourite. TV experiments that show from two thousand six six so you get into his ocoee. Yeah you see some Yazaki movies. I don't know what you saw. Her totoro spirited away spirit away mom okay. When do you come to Mr Pick you know when the when when does Porco for show his based you three years ago okay and so it was at metro graph and you're like you kind of latched onto it and you're like this is this is the Misaki I felt like I i? I'm I felt upset with myself that I it had taken me so long to get to pork right. I remember seeing like the Parker us a poster at some point because I feel this is one of the ones that is least disgust in his youth. Well I think for a long time it was like if you were talking to someone about like which they'd be like Russell. That's a weird one and it's more for grownups like also is a movie that doesn't really farewell if the if the test is like if you liked x watch what you're never the Y. Is never going to be poor. Totoro watch poor Garozzo. I just feel like I didn't know it existed for a long time and they WANNA finally hit my radar when when I saw the DVD cover best buy or something and I was like this is a Muzak via pig no one talks about it and he pig. I was like a coin right but I was like is. Do I not know about this because this is the bad one or do I not know about this because everyone else is dumb and this is the best movie ever the weird one. I think that's the best way I think a gross less than some of his biggest hits and jam like it was not quite so divine yeah but it was not quite the sensation maybe that Todorovic Europe Yep well set nearer I know did whether it also feels I mean I think were a little it can feel a little discordant even because so many other Miyazaki you can feel like the made by a guy who doesn't really like the future or the present Nissim like human innovation has ruined everything Polka Rosa's about a guy working on his plane. It's all these loving shots of equipment. Yes and it just feels very very different from watching like you you wash now soccer and then you watch Paul Roseau and it it feels like to completely different world views are making these movies even though I don't think I think I think on closer reading they're not incompatible yeah but it just at at first glance something about poor Grosso feels like they're elements elements weren't revealed in the other Miyazaki move shirt. I think well we started digging. Insist by loved. The movie starts with a NAP and then goes like a speeding bullet like starts with like a little quiet nap and then it's immediately like straight into the action comedy action thrills. You know what I'm saying you're right. They're like GONNA fire like a Disney. Any move even would probably be like well. We're starting with this very melancholic. SORTA like here's Porco right he nap yeah probably not probably you would start in the air earned then you then you do this then you got him here without any table setting without any table sitting down. We know he's a pig yeah. I'm saying it's like fifteen minutes before he like shows up at the restaurant zero minutes before he's a pick your have you ever been because he shows up the restaurant Iran. You've got curtis there. You Got Gina there who rolls who plays gene in America Susan Egan Classic Voice Actor. Oh interesting you know she's she's bell yes. Yes yes. Yes yes. Yes yes yes. According to you moving Yup Fehmi I stand by that and and Gina Curtis is trying to like hit on gene so you know what's up with you. I love you and she's like sorry. I'm into the big yeah steer clear. I'm picked picked up Oh yeah but but I love that it's it's like Porco genuinely as we get to learn. The movie has not ever considered that anyone would like him. That's fair right yeah. He's kind of like. I'm a lost soul. I I was like okay. I get what kind of movie this is. This is the like honey. You don't WanNa know me. You don't WanNa be with me. I'm protecting you know instead. It's like I'm a fucking pig wait. She likes media even at the end of the movie when the guys like. What are you what we're fighting? She wants you not me is one mostly mad about. He's like you're lying so stunned that the guy gets an opportunity a clear-cut camp. I think we've talked up the melancholic elements of the movie but I think it's important that the character porco himself actually kind of care. He's like sitting around drinking drinking wine on the beach is kind of got that vibe of like look. I brushed the face of death and I'm still here so it's all extra time. I think he's a little night also we're also we're in Italy so the process I think he's a little listrik and a little hedonistic in terms of like I'm doing me. What's the worst thing you can do to me already a fucking pay? That's the thing is if I'm a pig on Mike. I'm going to eat twenty four seven. It's like I'm pick. I really worry about how I look anymore. I look like a pig. He's great body shape and I love the way he outfits himself. He's his mustache is great to compare curtis his mustache which sucks versus mustaches the best signifier that he's like a weak Chin Dildo pocos mustache even when you see human and you're like oh it was just the same salary as opposed to look at criticism mustache in late at any point exactly no thank you curtis sucks monster. I'm trying to think of the plot here Hollywood movie star and also be President he actually you know let me read you music. You got my book right. Okay Oh David taking out a leather bound volume great. There's like a green smoke rising from the this. Is your new bit. which is the line holding us out there? It'd be great if like Porco I could sit around and smoke cigarettes or watching some young kid and making comments like like staying up late all the time will shorten your life or it'll be bad for your complexion. laughs of course reality. Ali Doesn't work that way. It'd be pretty tough to live the way the characters in this film do the staff members who worked on Poker Roseau to burn the midnight oil all the time and some didn't even get to rest on a Sunday. There are a lot of the reasons for this and it's an area where I need to meet him. I love here's the here's the part that I wanna get to but I personally enjoy it when I become so absorbed in something that I completely forget about myself that's Kinda sweet I know but like I feel like that is occupied. Wherever else's like we have to please Mr Miyazaki I the draw until my hands are bone? He's just like sitting there and he's like Oh. I pooped in my pants again because I just loved this movie so much. I forgot that I'm a human being right. Everyone else's like working overtime and crunching ranching music is like I'm trying to work so hard that I forget who I am that I become one with the work. I relate to that so I get that you seeing it about myself me. In PORCO I see me in Porco I do but at the same time when I'm making these movies movies I am not me. I am the movie like you know I. It's my body Yup. I love that love PORCO trying. I WanNa see what else he says about PORCO. Is there anything about pig my cat in there. Does he say anything about that. No no mention she swims treasury war I own around new national treasure and it's about my cat and cage like we've got to fight bits cut. He's trying to because it's a national treasure. She is a national treasure. You disagree with that. No I can't airtight lodge he scien- time he's Si- thinking uh-huh speaking don't even know how to describe this problem Let's see I mean I I would say I've been getting better night's sleep every single night in my life okay. That's GONNA make you tired last thirty years. I feel very very tired and I've been trying to isolate what the problem is. In the best way I can put it is that it feels like my sheets are on buttered. Oem buttery they're not buttery does is that that even settle for margarine sheets very dry flan and you spend a thirty year life and she I'd say about a half of my life and that's not euphemistic. I'm very depressed. Person doesn't like getting so you definitely want your sheets. 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The Soviet Union goes away this war in the Balkan states which is where this is set and he felt very conflicted about like I'm making the slip or movie set in a place where there's actual war so I feel like he tried to make the movie a little darker as a result a little more what you're talking about the kind of like we are. You know it does make animals of us like you know it is. He's kind of like an unforgettable sin. At the best you become glorious animal majestic Predator right route pigs are predators but you know what I'm saying no. They're they just the but they are smart piggies at the other reason why I like them. They are smart creatures. I think they're very smart there. Have you ever get like a teacup pig pet now. As what is it teacup pig supposedly small pig that's cute but then they do grow up and you you know there are large creature you do you treat them like a dog like you can take friends here. You did George Clooney Clooney famously had had a pink pigs pigs like all right up there with dolphins says like the smart quite intelligent illegal and your city to own a pay but that's just bullshit legal to own all kinds of things New York City that my roommate had a snake for seven years. It was totally illegal but like who's GonNa come. Yeah who's going to please yeah. It's like the only one they care about US ferrets. We know the Guiliani Guiliani hates the ferrets pig nick get a pig. I feel like if you have a pick you WANNA be able to take it outdoors. Yeah I mean you'd probably because he's probably prefer to live in nature. We're going to check my snake like like fucking case what it was. It was pretty big. Let me tell you remember. I stayed in one time. We was there when you say it. Was Your your old roommate. Learn it. That's right learned. A learned man was a learned man yeah yeah he had to think and I remember I asked him once wining. Why do you have a pet snake? It was a big it was a large Whoa constrictor yeah and he was like when I come in the room doesn't even know who I am. Wow I never learned bedroom was just books and a snake correct. He lives he. He wanted to have the largest library. I've ever seen in one room. Yes he wanted to have a beauty and the beast style experience so he tried to turn his room into all these like bookcase sort of shedding new doors big like hardcover books he very deeply connected to bell like gliding along on the ladder. You know right. Where is he now Texas doing what a PhD in like science fiction Shen at Rice University? I know pretty cool. It says learning corner learn foot anyone shout out the only person with that name so if you heard that name you know him so we end up at jeans restaurant yeah and I think the key things we established in this scene. GINA loves PORCO. That's it. I don't know he goes to about the curse. This is the first time we we start to talk about the curse. They talk about the curse he was once. Curtis shoots him down right because he's got the engine trouble Curtis's like I got him. He's dead well. That's after after this. I guess it's but that's right after right. There's nothing else here's a rivalry right. I like Jesus. I like this like the movie step into this like Casa Blanca Concha. How your host music European movies have like a setting where you're like? I could watch like a take one hundred episode. TV Show Gina's cool fucking rescue yes about the spirited away bath house. I don't know right you know like there's some cool place. Yes I want to live here. He's very good at making you want to be in an environment that he's in high would say I think the other thing that's established by by the beginning to is that everybody just has a plane plane like there's so many people sort of run into each other in the air like it's traffic. Yes and they're just having conversations yeah. This is the that's how people interact back in his movie flying Planes World Yeah Yeah wanted to see the plains. There's that play police late that partly when what's your pants the younger one at the fear fear Y- is like come on you guys are seaplane pilots. You've got to be able to see see pilots and like the honor amongst plans. She's a seaplane pilots a lot. I was a seaplane pilots have their own codes the camaraderie the F. C. C. Air Cowboys right but I think to me as ocoee right. There's that the freedom of the air and the open ocean but then also you open those planes up. There's mechanics matters fiddling so big like threes. There's you know hard work. There's something there's a craft and care. He loves planes like he loves animation. Raise like working on something intricately you know and you have to get exactly right but he hides the contrast between the machinery versus nature in this movie whereas all the other Miyazaki movies feel like they hide the machinery like all of the the sort of metaphor of like machinery and the effort that goes into making those movies feels like that effort is so well hidden in something like princess-mononoke movies. Don't get into the guts and the same kind yeah. This movie has guts. Yeah has like the inner workings of thing and I feel like even when Kurdish shoots him out of the sky it is like there's always a moment in Miyazaki movie where something is just like so animated and such extreme detail like the thing you can tell he spent like eight months on a loan and for this movie it feels like that is when the plane gets shot down and you just see it fall apart all the pieces strip off and you're seeing a plane get deconstructed in the sky in real time but then you also think of the people who had to like all of annual visit when he goes to Piccolo Piccolo showing him the engine and he's like like they're like this is we is shot where they're testing the engine in the shed. In every single angle panel has these very precise movements blowing in the wind yeah and you're like it must have taken like three years to animate that one thirty second bit of enemies right right right. I mean it's it's like the the would buckling in castle in the sky. Oh I love that right very there's always this kind of thing where it's like something falls apart art and you see yeah yes well. Hendrawan animation is over this it. Isn't you know that's True Author Hand Photo Photo Realistic Key frame. CGI gives us the opportunity to see what a real lion would be like. I just can't wait to be giving my secret. Hope Right now. Sure sure there's a part of me that thinks that net flicks is gonNA start announcing they're going to do and we have an animated studio right have one right right but like it'll be we're going to do Disney. They have been very vague about what they're doing but the person they hired to run it is Glen Keane Oh sure right a legend and they released a video radio because you know Netflix has all these like different twitter accounts in different youtube channels for different genres or sub sections of what they do like Netflix. Netflix is a joke in I'm right. They did a video for their animation. That was talking about like what Netflix wants to do animation how they want to be like their own animation powerhouse else okay. It's a lot of Glen Keane talking other people talking about like the qualities they want to bring a lot of videos of people drying and obviously even even if you're doing CGI or whatever you still have to do the sort of basic drafting you know of strongly montlake character modeling or that's what's unclear. I mean this is really a video. That's it's not going into details. I don't remember if they've announced anything but I kind of believe that lake Netflix as they are trying to disrupt the industry by doing the things that other people aren't doing making phones by the types of people that aren't being made or the genres that are sort of dormant like the romantic comedy or whatever they're going to be like here's our slate. We're doing doing like four hand-drawn animated films not announcing them because it takes years and F- looks likes announcing everything very shortly before it comes out and they have the selleck movie which is supposed to come out next year I think they're gonNA start announcing a bunch of classically hand-drawn films if they're smart that's what they do you at a time where every other studio is like we're done and you're feeling more and more of a push from like the I don't know the intellectual Community Unity Yeah you know this guy and that's also this weird thing that Netflix says don where it's like. We're going to gain legitimacy by going to the most sort of artistic sort of that's always been there move much Amazon the corners that are seen as uncontroversial right OECD animation automation three hundred in Japan like is that taking off at all like you meetings are style you know I guess it's more expensive yeah the construction wire. US is I it just seems like transitioning from the era. I guess it's one thing to have digital like two D animation but yeah I think the weird historical trajectory toward the most expensive possible enemy seems counterintuitive to me. I don't quite get it. I'll say this it is easier and cheaper to make bads on it is also herder and more expensive to make good. CGI Yeah Yeah Yeah Right. You can make the Koran movie or norm of the North or any of these bullshit things where you're like. What is this like? If you have two sets in your animation your performances performances or bad you can make shitty computer animated film faster then a Hendra on film because you don't have to draw every single frame user you have models that you can just sort of reusing a sloppy way but to do it well. You need big big infrastructure. A lot of people isn't saying because there are all these different departments that don't exist I otherwise the texturing department your lighting you gotTa ten texture things but every every other country has I feel like move to CG. I mean like I I was in Barcelona and there is so much. CPI Shit in Spain anytime we're turning on the TV I was surprised by the amount of like completely native Spanish cartoon shows or trailers for Spanish like this is the third in this franchise of beloved. CGI SPANISH CGI movies I keep saying CGI soon but I feel like at least what carries over here in any way you don't really early see Japanese. CGI Yeah I mean I think Japan's I I think the way the anime has adapted to like Digital Two d animation is just more graceful role than the way other countries have adapted to Yeah Three D. Post veggietales and imagine trying to even has more. CGI animation now Interest Yup. I believe that Japan seems to have stayed pretty strong. Obviously these movies are so popular in China's well right across all right. He got shot down yeah orca. You pretend dead you. SORTA like find them. You know you think he killed me. That's great I can lie low and also I'll let curtis like sell the legend right. If you're GonNa Brag that he killed me which gives me some time to lay low because PARCO harvey debt thing is Harvey then are right right yeah. PORCO is a wanted man if they know some of these shores that he's washing up on. They're going to apprehend them immediately so better for him to let everyone believe that he's dead and then not much happens until he needs to regroup raise to hang with Piccolo. Excuse me he meets a great friend great P. blessed because he doesn't have a plan. The action is now basically until the final dual action at this is the thing I like about this. It's a long movie once he gets introduced. I was like Oh this movie is also kind of a true grit narrative Hailee Steinfeld and even the way it ends with the narration which we'll get to it is the scene of like this is this man who is very tough to break through to who taught her a lot of lessons lessons who she taught a lot and they were just together for this brief period of time that changed the rest of her life and she reminded him that he's not just a cursed big man as well right yeah you know what she kind of drew that out yeah really Nice France and I also I just like any story where someone has to prove that they know what they're talking about like this assurance that he comes where your son's. WHO's this low grade yeah but it is funny? How like the beginning? It's like the earliest in the latest minutes of the movie. You're very action like you said after he got shot down it. It's all of these things where he's like. He's writing the plane. He's riding the train. He has to get the plane to the shop. That's the thing it's like all of the bandit who cares all of all of the stuff that's him dealing with the fact that his plane is fucked up. Yeah like I mentioned early from Richmond and I think a lot of my own childhood watching this movie because I grew up outside of Richmond and my dad I used to drag race in his car. All the shooter and it's just like the middle part of Pork Roseau is totally the vibe of just like observing people who are really into their cars you know and like drag racing. I imagine it's like your engine is what's most important because like the heart is not GonNa Camaro not nice nice paint job but but it's you know when I was a kid I didn't didn't get it at all because I fucking hated cars because they were super low like driver racing a super loud when I was a kid to to the culture of didn't get but then I watch a movie like this and I think because of how meticulously all of its animated especially all of the sequences where Feo and all of the women I'm in Porco are are working on the plane and there's sort of animating the sense of assembly yeah. It's like oh I kind of get. I think that's the thing it's like. It's it's it's that's Miyazaki putting himself into the thing it's like when you find a field where you can become obsessed with the rest of your life to having a complete fleet understanding of this thing and complete mastery of this thing and when you're in it even though it's difficult you entered this flow state. Yeah you achieve this state of Zen right which you know it's like people who race they talk about that anyone who has any sort of like you know passion for anything that seems dangerous you know when you watch like Free Solo and you're like why the fuck would he do this and he's like. This is the one time I feel calm. You know I think as you're saying this midsection action of the movie is like this is a guy who doesn't really know what to do with himself when he's not in a dogfight as much as GINA is like why won't you you so cool right yeah cool right and he's like what do you mean pick. Where's the fuck out there on the phone on the payphone God yeah they've also that old? Timey phone calls very old-timey but that's right. He's a guy where he's just like. This is the one thing I understand Tayo comes in and he's like you better. Not Fuck this up. I've been working with same people forever. I Know Piccolo. I know his sons. I can't take a risk risk on a grandchild. You know young because I need to get back up in the air and she's like you're a sexist and I totally know what I'm doing it. Also I'm precocious rushes. She's she's very. She feels like when she's introduced her energy. Just in terms of for animation feels so different from the other characters she sort of moves more fluidly is like what's going on here. I'm GonNa work on the plane. Also because everyone else is in the sort of like classic Hollywood there. I say it because it's been on the bench for Awhile Patina. You know everyone else is giving these performances engine took crackles to life. Everyone else's giving these performances that could've been done by any classic nineteen forties Hollywood star and then she comes in and she's giving like specifically like eighties nineties movie energy. She's a thoroughly modern care otherwise yes a little classical love that that's true that's true and she's also just the classic Miyazaki occupy key yeah where you're Kinda like oh he made a movie about boys and then she shows up and you're like okay that type doesn't exist in the type of movie that he is sort of referencing and using a mood no absolutely not it's also in this strict version of it might like you know hey mister you. You know that kind of kids like a ragamuffin you know ragamuffin right but it's also this contrast with pork owes a character because it's like PORCO has two who different pairs of glasses and he wears these trenchcoats and he's sort of you know he's Nice but he's sort of closed off in a way and then you have feo shows show up and her facial her eyes and specifically her eyebrows have this very distinct expressive nece and so whenever they're in scenes together you're just plays up that contrast of like the kind of performance that Porco is give him versus wit energy Feo is challenge yeah AH is the window to the soul animators. That's the whole key to the thing it's one of the reasons why line can fucking sauce yeah the Federal Lion King and like they make this conscious decision decision. That's like this guy's eyes are always going to be covered. You know not because we're trying to handicap this characters express minutes because this is a character doesn't want anyone to see into Seoul like he's trying to keep his emotions close to the chest and then but then like when you've reached a point with him yeah where you're some you see his human face would would right yeah then he turns around the again. Yeah I prefer the pig looks great looks great fucking awesome. Hey great very handsome pack like this style yeah if he wanted to be in some Hollywood movies just the pig like at the end to it. Yeah you know what I mean just him flashing the thumbs up you know with the pig face ace it just scar icon all of that. He's as what we should with photo realistic technology. Make people look like pigment. Keep on hitting on this like the fucking photo real thing but it's like hit on it. I feel like this is. That's the me as ocoee thing though right is. It's like one thing to accept that. We don't do hand-drawn animation anymore but I do think that Miyazaki is one of the people who's going to make the strongest historical case for listen animation is a distinct thing and realism is sort of an opponent of this stuff. You're trying to accomplish an animated cinema right. I just I feel like this gets back to the cats trailer as well but it's like this thing of like if you're gonNA use. CGI use it to make things that are alike against the laws of nature could not exist and putting new things with the camera that are not possible things like that right right stylized people's faces in a way that doesn't make sense or like they should never make a live action Perot so but if they did it's not like I'm against the concept of Porco Rosso being photo real because that would be in juxtaposition to real human beings seeings in front of a camera Pirka Rosa. It's perfect now. He's he's looking for a long time that he was GonNa make a sequel did he and they wrote a script it and then I let me let me get that Sir. Yes often find it. Find it okay he wrote a script pork Larussa the last sortie that would be set during the Spanish civil war so PORCO will be much older. Miyazaki was like it'll be about what like me being old you know my angle and he wanted Hiroshima unibody she the guy who made like the Secret World Marietta and when Marnie was was there right he was saying he was direct. I imagine and now all of these fallen apart like who knows but now it's sort of back together again well but no but that guy I went off to do creates poke which is sort of like trying to rise from the ashes of a flower what and make sure I don't know it's it's one of those things like crazy. She's making right now. It's one of those things like old found you live old. Fink brothers have always said like when we're older older we WANNA come back into old. Think with the Barrow near like you. You're not sure if that's a joke or not right. You're not sure if that's the best idea or the worst idea yeah if it's barely well enough and loan or if it'd be like the most triumphant thing these seem to generally no like you know what I mean because sometimes they'd be like yeah we're going to Jesus spin off from and then they eventually it's like Oh someone to kind of make in that and they were they were clearly like yeah. You know. What if you want to do it that's fine like we're we're probably not going to right which is apparently the exact same attitude they had with Fargo like people were like this is such a big deal that like the Collins Blessed Fargo right and apparently their attitude is like as long as you don't step on our show? It's fine. You can do whatever you want. Yeah Okay Yeah. We just don't WanNa do that right. God Fargo so bad. It's what do you think about Fargo ever watched. It never watched them once. He's into great detail so you only use three. You hated season one season when they were on but three three was kind of like I was like Jesus the earlier ones were actually like something I haven't seen yet. newquay great makes me cry every time it's a the TV corner here we go. I Love Guerra. I mean queer is trying to get the water right like that's the whole mission right yeah right episode leadoff. I've watched the new ones yet. I resisted watching it for a while. I got into it once. My back was injured and I started watching a lot of shows that I wouldn't usually watch ice resistant washing for walk because it feels like an attack on my lifestyle any show where people improve themselves or others walk walk you doing over there saying I should wash my clothes. I feel like the shit but the good antidote to that that I think that the to the queer eye guys who are really good antidotes to that sort of concern are anthony because they're both kind of content content especially Kerama. 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Oh No I don't you don't mean Fox he literally we're not talking about the parts began Dan. I said that I was like I guess I forgot. It's gone. It's gone out of the head. Haunts me burned in my memory. Every time I close my eyes is I see Ted fucking a woman with Parsa Yeah but the thing about the all that is like Seth Macfarlane even is sort of like yeah. I don't know I kind of just WanNa make my space. My sincere zero star trek show now yeah you know he's calm. I get everyone was into that for a while but I feel like now just doing the Orrville on Hulu. It's just crazy see how big the first head was. We talked about this on the buck on this seth Macfarlane Voices Curtis that could be a good alternate casting if they do the pork roses well because McFarland does have that like Sinatra reborn bad vibe God. That's of all of Seth Macfarlane's vibes many Richard bed. That's that's one of the worst the Martha uncanny or I don't know something about it. That feels like no one asked for this Do you know what his album standards. Maybe he's made several now forget. It's on the tip of my tongue to music is better than words. Hey I believe is the title I think that's what it's called. God you know how Richie is you're correct. Yeah you can take a guess eight hundred twenty one million two hundred million. Maybe seems low gave them like Oprah. Income like Oprah income there was so much higher than two hundred yeah yeah anyway well whatever he also made an album called holiday for swing third studio album. No one ever tells you you smoking a cigarette fourth album in full swing eight hundred twenty one's a little absurd pretty high. That's like Spielberg number. He's he's been going hard. Maybe Fox victim on American dad or something I don't know I know we've done talking about worker rose. We got more of a poker. Okay another thing I like. I like the Curtis. Is this like Hollywood leading man type especially of that era like literally security about the fact he's not agrily a tough guy right right this actor action star kind of thing that goes back to to like you know John Wayne not serving in the war or you know he's. He can't back up his right right right right that like he wants to be. Be a movie star and be the press he wants to have these performance of rules but he hates the Gina likes a fucking pig more than him because he actually gets his hand hand stirred. She's chill about it. Though yeah the whole show for airfield yeah yeah I like the pig PORCO show because he's drinking wine and smoking all all the time but he has over committed just give no Fox because entire movie and we'll talk about her beautiful dream Gone Curse makes the proposal to her and she's like look. I be honest. I made a promise to myself. There's one man I love and he only visits me at night and my restaurant but if he ever comes here and on his plane when I'm in my garden I'll know and I can't I can't leave behind the chance of that happening pretty devastating stating for Curtis honest where she's like not only am I rejecting you but I've pinned my hopes on pig visiting me when I'm in my garden and then similarly devastating ever sitting he flies by like right when she's saying Oh my God here. Here's here's here's here's happening and he's gone and I love. The movie ends on the I'm not I'm not gonNa tell you if you ever showed up. Is there a little secret I became friends with Gina for the rest of my life Porco and I we kind of lost touch not that felt that felt very true. Grit to me when she likes shows up and they're like yeah he just died on the end of trigger just her walking through the sanitary and she's like well. I'm comes first all credits masterpiece by the way yeah underrated people not putting into their tops of the twenty lists crazy great movie. Have you seen grip yes. Yes I know just in that you rarely watch movies thirteen movies really you're not a big movie wants Guy Fall you love sky fall you more of a td guy no yeah like animated. I play video games issue like Milton. I have tank shared on the pocket book Mama Over second-generation too big cow okay okay. It's a shady video-game Ashida Video Shandy Guy Getting into no shady guy a Shittier shady shady because we should he do do. I'll tell you what I'll tell you fucking the teams that play Rainbow Succeed or shady but that's you're talking more about the player hate the players the the game by a she wants a game guy who's like Kinda scummy and his kind of way with the modern day Max Payne. I'm in a game where you have to virtually take pills. You know that's yeah I don't. I don't know what would you name is like the last thing I can think of like grand theft auto got a lego pirates of the Caribbean. Oh shit okay scoundrels in that one love scown dirtiest of the Lago Games scalawags Allie wags and scofflaws what do like Lego Body Heat. They start just making like full on sex norm nothing LEGO. What's it called blasted auction? I would love I would love if they did like you know. Of course we did like a star wars. We went through all those homes we did Indiana Jones went through all those films we thought it was time we finally cover the rest of the Lawrence Kasdan over Auto Silverado Chill Mumford like a Mumford Mumford Lego like oh dream cash like longtime companion I would love Allegra figurine and Morgan Freeman and dream catcher and of easel yeah. I don't know if you could fit the eyebrows on a Lego head. No you need to make the head bigger. There's only one or like the tough team out. There aren't any good yeah. I'm stressed out David this time you're not dealing with this problem and you solve the sheets but you're not gonna be able to solve this one. Okay okay third. Time isn't the charm. I'm GONNA fool you. You'RE GONNA have no solution for this. I'm concerned about my legacy. Dave okay sure what you leave behind. What you leave your memories right well? No not less is the memories and more what I physically leave behind. We're going to leave behind a bunch of VHS tapes and DVD's stacks of you know one hour photo surrounds sermons all these things that my family's going to have to inherit and I had this with this. I had a box. Lami legacy box filled with old videos. You Know Oh my great grandma talking on camera photos. You found no solution and your ass dresses. I am great back to the show. What I did was I spoke to? We're friends at legacybox. They send me a big old box. It's big old barred attention. They send you a box. The Sea it's basically empty box arrived the autonomous legacy Bob. What do you put in the box legacy? You put in anything you want. You put in film reels. Let's like this do you want to do. You want to tell us what that is. It's my most cherished memories thirty five millimeter trailer for Elizabethtown. We're not joking you you put in like. VHS tapes you can put in old family photos. You could put in Shady Polaroid's. You've taken over the year I suppose so it. It was more of a family thing from England is tapping the celluloid right now. I want people to hear this is what a thirty five millimeter prints of the elizabethtown trailer sounds like an up until now if fit to carry this thing in my pocket every hour of every day no other way to watch my back went out and every time I wanted to someone the Elizabeth trailer which is every every hour of the Elizabeth trailer. I also do that but I'll talk about that in a different address every time I want to show some of the elizabethtown trailer to pull out a project there and find the white wall and it's driving me crazy. You're told me I could put this in a legacy Bob. Here's what they'll do. They could upload him for the first time ever. I can watch the ELIZABETHTOWN elizabethtown trailer online. Here's they'll do they can put it into a thumb drive on into a dvd into a digital download carry this and they have easy to phone -struction in safety barcodes for every item you get all your old stuff back with perfectly preserved digital copy and get personal up. They'll let you know every step stabbed got personalized updates. There's you know twelve emails. That will just tell you what's going on. Four hundred and fifty thousand families have trusted legacy box with all their stuff. I just want to double double check. We're talking trailer version number two it's two minutes and fifty five seconds with SR optical backup and Claude tracks they could handle that to all and all the work is done by hand right here in the US at all right so listen listen. That's the sound of the trailer being thrown into the garbage. Never been will know throw it in the box uh box. There's never been a better time to digitally preserve your memories visit legacy box dot com today just get started plus for a limited time. They're offering our listeners. An exclusive discount. Go to legacybox dot com slash check to get forty percents off your first order. That's LEGACYBOX DOT com slash. Check save forty percent today and get started preserving your past Porco the part before the duel. What else do we recalls his pig transformation and the Adriatic this scene okay? I love the China Anna Oh you've seen yes yes explanation flashback human man with a beautiful mustache we love him. All of his friends get shot down. Yes he's freaking out. It's during World War One he goes up and up and up and up. You sees his friends yep going up yeah. He sees a big band of Shimmery planes in the sky but he put boy. That's the thing you kinda very like Powell and pressburger somebody sort of blacks out for a moment. He doesn't know if he's a loosening if he's died. If he's watching Ching then go to heaven yeah. He's entered some different plane even the part where he gets shot. Even the power of the planes are getting shot down low feels loose nation because it doesn't feel like it's not like it's a super for st forward like war scene or something like that and almost feels like they're flying in this like artistic formation and then the plane just mostly Berkeley like it looks like a water water number becomes a nightmare in this very weird right right there. Is that sense that he like glimpsed the other other side. Maybe something like that happens but also that so much of this is tied to this sort of shame of a genus first husband yes getting shot down at. He lived story where she's like. Look if all Nova pilots they're all dead right this guy there that guy bear you know right but what can they do. Here's the survivor guilt almost greater than the fact the shame over him being a pig right but they're probably tied together orderly Yeah Yeah and when he tells that story sorry She sees his human face for a second then he pig again and he pick and then come on right that doesn't curtis show up while the planes ready the pirates show oh up the plane's ready ready although it's fantastic and you know it's a little tricky takeoff after I finished the plane when they're flying on the water. Her view is built in the compartment so that she can fly and foregoes plane earlier like that's a beautiful sequence to me. I love him saying you can't get my plane. Even if your buddies small there is a lot about talking she's like. Are you kidding me my butts so small like I got the best ever for planes you ever heard about. He's you gotTa pick button right right. He's not one to to criticize butts really no use a pig that pork bucket gopher pretty pretty penny hi restaurant but I one of my favorite visuals and the entire movie is all the sea pirates cease sky pirates. It's coming out of the little pet on the beach. Yes yes the ambush stockton like a clown car spill out. We talked about it in castle this guy but like he's he's very good at large. Adult sons like the pirates are in both cases large adults on adults at me. Ezaki movies are always like the most fascinating vegas yeah because it feels like a referendum on adults as a class of human being stupid yeah his dad's we talk in Tow and like his dad's usually Deeb Yeah like the dad is kind of like hey man whatever I think this movie gets the closest to being adult suck but also at Poca Roca feels like it's it's for once Miyazaki trying to sell who guess kids or adults on the idea of adults can have adventures to address right because otherwise it's always kids usually range monsters in the forest movies lock and cool. I knew I compare me as occupy like and like many serious. Let's say for missing link. which is the one? I don't like you like but I think I think I realize one of the reasons. I don't like it is that it doesn't have a child protagonist. Um and the like films are really good on that. Miyazaki level of like these adults have gotten so caught up all this bullshit that doesn't matter but they're sort of like oblivious to what's really going yeah link is kind of that character missing yet gas but he's the closest to your child protagonists right and I don't like that he is in the audience circa character the audience surrogate character your entire forty minutes. I know your problem. Is the Jack Wink Terrible. It's not great. It's not great. It's like what if someone was the worst was an asshole right and you're GONNA learn not to be national and they're like yeah like right right yeah I didn't love that. Even I think you genuinely disliked it where I was like. It's okay I hold regard. It looks looks great. How do you like the LEICA movies Carline arline yeah I'd nursing corleones paranormal and you have a take? You haven't seen paranoia paranoia my show of the other ones you going my best at least one of us. I I took a swing at a decade list. You know I it. It was some other like a coup. I feel fifty fifty on Kubo weirdly. I really loved the voice performances and Kubo sex at the Tapie. Yeah I still like the performance is though I don't know I I like the style something about that. Movie didn't totally come together for me. yeah I respect it more than a enjoyed it except for the voice performances which I thought were fun and then box trolls. I haven't seen check a paranormal apparent Fox. I've Seen Sky Fall Kubo for corozzo melancholy. I don't know reading gets like four of my twelve movies. Good movie Lucy Lewis another masterpiece made by sex criminal YEP YEP Yup. Can't you just ask me for the Jackson Lights Camera Jackson Book Smart Review. I had to send it to a right away. You sent me that Brady Bunch. I just think it took me like twenty minutes to realize that the Brady Bunch House yes. He's weird. Let's Karen Jackson posted a video of himself. Walking down the street and singing Sunshine Enga- and then at the end the camera whip pans to reveal that he is in front of the house from the pre doesn't really you're like Oh okay okay behind a wall. Yes and it's like I say oh. I just wanted to do more musical numbers. So is that what you want him to. Of course he does. His twelve twelve moves to info wars yeah right it could happen. It's a short walk Camera Jackson no but I do like the idea of Lights Camera Jackson moving to Info wars probably not really like that. Let's Jackson was completely. A political all movie critic like like outdoor revere was lights cab attacks Jackson Tanto. You really put a lot you great right actually build info wars into like a modern critical powerhouse sort you can do it you show it doesn't change all all everyone around him is like a broadcast you like sort of like pro. I gave Stupor three bags of popcorn or whatever whatever it does if you're looking for fun ride in the theaters this summer you could do worse than hitching a ride with super then like once in a while a book smart comes along where he's like. What's going to shift without pushing the clutch like you know what I mean like? He's like those are teenagers. I don't think so yes and then he has to like Oh. I don't know go back to his Borg Cube per day in charge or whatever these teens break all the rules like literally say cuff them. He's written review of books. The Man Sinatra Lights Review of Books Mart has written review it. It's just like him being teams. Don't behave this way outrageous dishonest l. Listen to a thing that teachers tell them to let me find the actual book smart the last movie I saw with you was power Rangers Rain Right. I yeah the last movie theater had to be. I expand which I liked. What one idea wow here we go okay? The entire narrative revolves around the fact that amy and molly don't know the locations of the Knights hots part location of the nights hot party. We're supposed to believe these two classmates who entirely intelligent young women. They can't and find out what this huge party is utterly ridiculous. Well you know I says the guy who always knows where the party's at that's the thing is never. I was aware of every party right. No one ever definitely didn't tell me where a party I chose to abstain. The kids are big surprise a stereotypical bunch of modern high school misfits. It's instead of writing for Co Getting Ready for college. This cast looks like they should be wrapping up Grad School Plan. He really did not he gave you enough. What's the year this year? I feel like I don't know his only a listen right. Now is for wild rose which is a good moving. That is a good movie love that movie. Did you see him yeah love. Isn't it fucking great. Oh my God I didn't you know you saw it. I mean it's really good. It's so good. It's really listen to the soundtrack. I don't realize Mary Steenburgen wrote. That saw here seem version. Just woke up. One lindane was like country music now and wrote down song was famous. People are weird yeah. She's bizarre yeah but while have you seen wild rose bat this this lady okay from Glasgow who she had she gets out of jail smuggling heroin. She's a single mom with two kids. She gets out of jail. She lives in Scotland Hartland in Glasgow. She's real old working as a cleaning lady but all she wants to do is get in Nashville and sing country music cool. She just wants to fuck and Honky tonk three chords and the truth. It's also Catt and she has she has this go check Buckley and then like when she gets on stage she sounds like Miranda Lambert Umberto. You know what I mean like. She just has this incredible voice fucking one of those movies where I went to the screening being like I duNNo. I guess this is a movie. I know nothing about it and like two limited to nose Yep. You got me going up and look encouraged people to see it. Don't WanNA spoil it but the the last twenty minutes is where I went from being like this is very effective to being like this movie's really fucking smart agree. It does some things that are not like pointedly Hedley not manipulative agreed that are very very emotionally intelligent. He didn't like the dead. Don't buy either. Adam driver. Repeatedly says the line this is going going to end badly not only does it end badly begins badly and the middle is even worse. I mean he did this. You gotta give him some points. It's for some killer dunks thing racket ptacs. He's on fire come on they. They have the big dual. Do have a very prolonged the thank you so. I think it's pretty funny. I think it is making fun of men it but it's so it it goes hard. It goes hard. The image of the more older faces swollen after they've been PAT's the sky was back down to the writing in the fighting on the shore. This is after they've been shamed into like honorable combat by you know yeah you're playing pirates seaplane. Whatever whatever all the pirates at this point of just giving up on their it isn't just close? This is crazy. These guys fighting lions fistfight is because it's not like a scuffle. It's like a gentleman's fistfight fight a chair to be the corner. PORCO is so great marcus cream queensberry like like I I suck you in the face and then you take a moment right you prepare your one punch like there's like a real like give and take but also their faces just like so grotesque looking. There's no music it's just the sounds of their faces smoshing right right when she cornerman saying it's like the fucking ten comedy points and then what's the way that he finally gets a by the way fucking Gino likes. You can't have both women and you're a boxer doc. Sir Strew Park face turns red. What did you think of that of the punchline fighting seen the fighting's fun and I mean they I think they show cartoons actually take punches which is rare yeah usually their unaffected or they sort of like a dust cloud sort of right yeah it does skirmishes real punch in and bruising and swelling? I Love Dusko and then Lord Gentleman's fight right. He goes red freezes gets the punch on him. Parker goes down but it's right after the bells rat right right right yeah and the water is shallow which I like that too Gina shows up in a plane just like she's sort of land the the plane like Talion Air Forces on trying to catch you Parka make some they say that in the boxing match yes. I'M GONNA turn you in a prude. I mean hey I need this guy. You'd need him cure him and they were like and like I got something back and they pull out like a platter appreciate. I'm like Oh it looks nice and then like Parker Russell. That'd be like all right how much twenty bucks a pound okay. If it was the finest looking for shooter you've ever seen but had goggles and a moustache so you couldn't look at it without you can remove them both with with you have to go through the effort of moving them and thinking about who you're eating meat because he drinks so much wind throughout that meade is rich. Why love it with our eat? Them is one of my best. That's one of my favorites Simpson. Though so that's the other thing it's like the wine but then he smokes excellent yeah what is what does that tell you make a nice. Tasting animal is like you've got the farm farm guy who's like. I only let them smoke. The finest Cuban cigars smirk Tam flog raw goose smokes three Cubans Day. Was I gonNA Circa Rosso. Oh No yeah the simpsons. That's one of my favorite late. Simpson's is homer eating the lobster that is that where he's like. It's so good you don't remember the is that it's not snappy but it's something like that yeah. I know I know what you're talking about that. I think episodes really funny PINCI. I remember how he kills Pinci now. Has It gives him. He's always upstairs. I wanted to draw a bath after a log into marge's like homer and it cuts family eating good guy. Sorry who don't do Enough Simpson's jokes folks. I missed this whole podcast. You're just remembering bits from the simpsons right now. What if we go back to being a podcast about the only ever nine seasons of the Simpsons no-shirt? Pretend there's no bit to that. That's just a nice world I so now right like the whole point of the phantom menace. Being the only movie is kind of a weird world. Yes the simpsons ending with season ten is just a nice world. What God wanted uh-huh what season well Simpson's starts the year? I'm born so I believe they're on season thirty thirty. One season thirty just ended ended so thirty one starting up right around the time this episode tropic. That's insane yeah. Okay go a too much. How many episodes other until thank can I six hundred and sixty? Thank you for letting me guess the final. The ending is beautiful like feo voiceover voiceover where it's like. This is her story. She gets authorship of it. This becomes about this brief moment she had with this crazy pig man. I love that she she tells us that she gets a long lasting friendship with Jean out of it right because he got two hands over to Gina Right. He's like you deal with her but she's like we've remained friends for very long time. I took over Piccolo. Hello Yep what's it called Piccolo Aviators aviation or whatever the name of the company and she's like gene and I had a great relationship and I'm not going to tell you what happened apart perfect. This is for us to know. This is my story. I think the problem though feels kind of papering over something which takes over Piccolo live in Italy and then eventually world war to happen so makes killing off of making airplanes for the Italian linguists when when rises amount I just love planes. I didn't realize we drop bombs on Pearl Harbor. Sequel is he comes back and he's like let's. Let's fucking black. Let's like let's kill the Nazis right. What if it's like a vigilante you know well? The sequel is Spanish civil war though so it's pre-world war because again finding fascist he's not till they get off into Franco. Choose to avoided PORCO has to fight feel has like this airplane shares his empire PORCO has to I like this idea that the Spanish civil war dark the suspension you or and now I'm realizing what I want is to believe that all the characters died right before Hitler took the all just had a nice peaceful that's right they all just like lean back in their you know with magazine on their face and that was it yeah they overdosed on relaxation and contentment. It's the way to go okay hundred years old canteen boxoffice tough homes in Japan. When was the release did you do you have some American box office? Oh it's like two thousand eighteen th the rerelease. Oh I'm GonNa the have that if you want the numbers I osam not I don't know wh what number Sir well came out in ninety two. That's right like actual release date. I mean if you WanNa want to guess the number one film which is a sequel in which the character knows that these in a movie go right ahead templeton correct number two film. is you know masterpiece about a big blue the big purple man masterpiece a pretty good movie purple Purple Guy Ventures Yeah right and then number three is a masterpiece about Reading Books Books Book Club Book Club actual right number. Four is a movie ever Lebron Bergen getting buckets. Oh number four is a Bengal cone film. So you know was number. One most people's zero what's right but which one life the party Atta and the number five was this one again though it's where pay back was a mother peppermint no but that kind of movie sure is more serious yet more comedic more serious and payback is a mother can you back is a mother and this woman getting payback is a mother. You sure that's the that's the way that's the tape yeah yeah. That's like peppermint Yup and actress and you know this movie. I really liked him. You know this movie. Maybe not take a guess. No you take no because it's like it's the only one that I almost saw I haven't seen any of the movies and question Russian. You almost saw this. Do you think I've seen it but he doesn't actress. I really like I think so. I told her I mentioned her name at the basketball episode when you got really excited Oh this movie's bad. Oh is about breaking in Yeah. This would be great but it's not good. It's one of the most disappointing films last five years along with them at the primary yeah both of them are just like this is right. There and the actresses are really locked in in the movies a fucking mass breaking directed by James mctigue who I sat next to it dinner one break-ins a very bad film okay top ten highest grossing films in the history of Japan at at a time in general not like animation just in general Oh crack on American and Japanese releases. There's one that you will not be able to get there is one that has the Japanese. I imagine you haven't heard of it. It's number number eight. It's called Bayside shakedown to sounds great. Though Hondo is number eleven it just recently got pushed out okay very araca push out in two thousand sixteen but now the top ten highest grossing films in the history of Japan is one two three four five Japanese films five American films. I'll tell you the national each one before you guys and I'd given you number eight. Bayside shakedown to number ten is an American member tenants number. Ten is an American film. It grossed fifteen point sixty billion yen your name on this list my name know your name your her name is okay which number four Hell Yeah I. This is where I would love your name. I feel like we should just try to throw shit of the wall. Just see if we can get any like sort of like classic you know like limitation. Let's let's do that now. We have four and eight you have four and eight spirited away is the number one stay still at is incredible number walking. They re release it. Sometimes you know what I mean like. I don't know I'm looking at this number here and it feels like the maybe that's just the number because nothing has come close to there is one film that has made spirited away is at thirty Jan thirty billion thirty billion the number two film with twenty six billion Yen Avatar now wow is it it is it's ten because what's interesting is after I looked at this list. I was going down the rabbit hole of other countries top ten highest grossing films. Almost all of them have avatar in the top three right unlike unlike the Avatar didn't quite Megan okay interested in ten and it's not that it got replaced by more recent films you know Sapporo's number eleven and avatars number ten bayside shakedowns number eight spirited away is number one there are your name and your name is number number four it did twenty five titanic is number two so spirited thirty Titanic twenty-six your name twenty-five There's one other film with essentially twenty five and a half twenty five point four where can Japanese. It's an American film. It's the most recent film to crack the list. The only American film from this decade crack the list. What's interesting here is there's a lot more staying power than in the American top ten the franchises 'cause this list is like two two thousand one ninety seven two thousand fourteen twenty sixteen o one zero four ninety seven? Oh three Oh two oh nine. It's twenty fourteen release twenty five point four eight billion yen. It's the third highest grossing film in the history of Japan any other clues. It is the only American animated film to make the list Ooh American animated Spirit Spirit Away Number One and number two this third highest grossing fell in the history of Japan is an American animated film the only American animated film to seem to permeate the culture some even looking down here the next highest grossing American Animated Film Is Number Twenty three is finding Nemo and then you have to go down to twenty eight is toy story three while he's before then. Is it a pixar movie. It is not yeah wow of wow I mean you wanNA throw some other guests for the other spots. We've got an Avatar yeah. I'll give you a hint there. Three Premia Sakis invited spirited away how is Hal in their act is number six with nineteen point six billion yen and that's movie about moving castle as long and then what role nope no. That's how the earlier ones are less video that so I guess the other one is one okay correct. Yes nineteen point three Housman castle on not very close to each other six seven on the list. So how many left we you got this American animated movie. I'm just realizing not an okay would have been the number two film at the time with Titanic. Yes okay right and then these other things that come of it have been released Speier way number one number two your name number four house move a castle six Mono Kevin Bayside shakedown to number eight Avatar ten. You're missing the American animated film which is twenty five billion yen and you're missing the five and the nine slots I will we'll say are both from the same franchise to American films from the same franchise. No clues here okay. You want more clues. I mean three. I feel like I've given you so many clues. It's a twenty fourteen animated film that is not from Pixar. It's huge. It was huge everywhere. It's not like it over performed here. No I'm trying. I'm some blind spot. I'm like it's a massive blind. Spot is one of the had the greatest cultural impacted rose frozen is the third highest grossing film The history of Japan. I was getting lost in like DreamWorks Forgot About Regular Vicky of animated made it night. CGI right artificial intelligence yeah it's the only computer generated movie to films from the same franchise. What is interesting to me is that they are the first two films of that franchise? Is it vendors and ultra ironman no no I it's not it's not super truly the first two films of the franchise okay. It's not like of Andrew is like a subterranean yeah because especially overseas this most franchise built the overseas market built and this is two movies. The franchise peaked. I mean it's literally it's this is fascinating because number five all time. Japan is the first film in the series number nine all time Japan is the second film in the series Letterman number thirteen is the third film in the series which which underperformed everywhere else Oh and then number twenty three is the fourth film like each of them. Okay okay whereas the states they pretty much grew there to films in a long franchise that has since ended x-men definitively defended and they have been trying to do other shit around it so like they're like. Can we do other stuff and other mediums. Can we make movies that are sort of connected but aren't really the same the thing they're trying to keep the sanctity of the movies but I feel like everyone feels like it's a matter of time until they bring the original actors back and do a new phone. Oh that feels like the thing everyone's like waiting and they're like the copy a little bit older. What is the bring them back and do it? What is they don't don't do it? You the first two films I mean I'll give you the biggest clue there from two thousand one and two thousand two they come out in successive years and they're huge one makes twenty billion one makes seventeen billion Harry Potter never would have gone there las personas the fifth highest grossing film The History Japan Chamber Secret Chamber of secrets like the one that everyone's like Oh yeah I guess so now. Let me throw out some other crazy stats okay last Samurai the twelfth highest grossing film the history of Japan Armageddon tied for thirteen with E. T. in Harry Potter deserves it deserves sixteenth highest grossing film in the history of Japan and foreign away the most recent film to appear Scott's a good year. I knew that one rhapsody boy and then you get into like Jurassic Park Phantom Menace Wind rises twenty one is Alice in wonderland has a very big big presence in the took Disney theme park by all accounts no coming. Everyone else I feel like is just sort of like okay we're done and the thirty first highest grossing film history of Japan of course. It's the original Bayside shakedown the movie me me. I love a bayside shakedown anytime in I'm in base. I'm more of a basic shakedown to guy well. You know I agree. I ah see that's Tarantino movie. That kids punk asked me I like a good old fashioned Bayside shakedown okay okay okay America's cheering all of our listeners. They love it doing the way I don't get why this is my Sinatra and I don't think he sounds like this yeah but this is what I'm doing. It sounds like your impression of my dress with Gordon. I know that's kind of what it is. I was thinking I know the precise weight of this looted die. I'm going to sell these governments secrets. I'm Edward Snowden and I made a weird commitment to replicating his voice cares. There's a weird no one cared about me did of course have French. I walked on. I bet it was my first balancing act. We said how he needs to complete complete trilogy of tourists who peaked in the eighties and nineties making unnecessary remake of best documentary winners guy so I called that we had not so you have to walk doc and then you have snow notices and four right and since I made that call another one has joined the fray in the annals the best documentary which is clearly what he will do free solo he will do a free solo remake. I'm Alex Ronald Yes. I got to climb this here El Capitan he'll do it free solo remake like who lost ninety director Curtis Hanson is fairness. Most of the people the ragged into the we've talked about a lot of dead people that we've nonetheless at a reanimated for the purpose of this. Do you have any final Porco Rosso or Miyazaki thought just watch the movies great price you like I am. He doesn't put Shit on knowing because it's just like people should watch the flying pig movie. I agree creativeness for that much time on the podcast. It's it's not fun again. It's like you reap. Among fourteen pages point is the it's the visual spectacle it's animation. It's the loving yeah exactly. It's character driven film. I love it. He's one of my best friends. It's the best movie ever based on in-flight but even even as a character the different film. It's not even that much of a script driven get really there. I don't know man hater. Yes I was just watching and I was like I'm in on the vibe of this movie. He doesn't say Shit Shit but you get such a vibe from Gina 'cause she. Just sort of walks through the movie I can set my watch to this movie. I understand the way it's taking you know. It's like I get it baby. I love that pig. He's just the pig is working on this working on his plane. I love that pigs. Maybe he's working on his plane. Maybe we will get PORCO to one day Banyu like this one right. You're happy you're Goto FEO goes. Fash go to red pill taper next week with man. Okay Okay Great Eight movie I I I agree that next week. We have known and Okay I can't. I can't argue with the truth. David has given up. He's staring off into the mid. Someone sent me. A text took me a second puzzle. I figured it out. Can you read it or is it a private and I'll read it off my okay. yeah no no love PORCO. You might not be my favorite Miyazaki but I think it's good that we have the two sides between us. Sure okay well Geez. I think it's a compliment green. I went sure I just think if you watch poker also and then go watch the documentary about gb the Kingdom of dreams madness sadness. It's like putting into this guy this guy chain-smoking Weirdo who makes these movies Weird Apron Sake. He's the pig pig. Have you watched the Rahman video. No I'll find him. I've been saving a lot of these things Justin. Thank you for being thank you this. This is fun. You don't watch a lot of movies but we finally got a lot of weight. Check you'd have like being into movies your subject act of blankets which is people who like the podcast and don't like it's great you which is a subset. There are some there are there was yeah yeah I do. You like the Star Wars prequels which is how I got into. Check really what's your I like. I like I like I like thinking about them more than I like. Certainly I don't like attack of the clones so I should retract statement really dislike that movie but I I like your. You've got into the Star Wars. Yeah say something crazy I easy. You're having watched any of them since we did that me neither. Why would you right? We watched them to immerse. The more I think about stuff. I'm like SOCLEAN's my favorite or it's bad. It's so bad so I can I I would end with this. I will say I remember release. Day of attack of the clones is my mom took me to see that movie and if you think that like I I cannot reconcile how excited I was to go see a star wars movie. That's all fan of medicine theater. I liked it. I was a kid but attack of the clones I literally it's during the Django fat chase scene. I fell asleep. Wow My mom had to wake me up. I fell asleep during the very early in the all in couldn't do it. The only time I've ever fell asleep in the movie theater. Peter is watching attack of the clones when they're in the asteroid belt. I just goes off. I'll say I mean you know we've we've mentioned this before but I feel like were harder on those movies because of the bit we were doing partly that's true because they certainly don't live too standing outside of the star waiver site. They're only only interesting in dialogue with the original films and how much he deviates from them how how reticent he is to like do what people want is. What's interesting about them? I don't think any of us either of US would argue that they're good but I feel like if we watched them with context. We both have more complimentary things. Thank you say that but it's not true. This is just the trick. We talk about it so much where we're like. You're like Phantom. Menace might be good and you turn it on. You're like no. I don't like it and then ends in and you're like but maybe there's something when it's on. You're like oh I see. I know this is very boring right right right but then the second engineer but you know what about what no no let's think about it fessing now how much like the prequel defenders are becoming like a thing the exact horror lying thick thicke. Finally we kicked Lucas like the people who are like texting death threats to Lucas are now like fucking Catholic the balls to make a prequel. She doesn't have the balls to make bad movies movies unlikes we talked about this at our airing Gilliam podcasts at the rear of like all the people who are mad at the Netflix are the same people who in fucking like two thousand and one hated the the original English dub because they were like oh it took so many liberties with the original Japanese script now they like a curse fucking soccer and they burrow sin occurs. They you wanna be able to say that. The last thing was better than this. It's always that's that's the art you had to be there. It's always the logic of like you had to be there for the real work we'd it was so much better than yeah. We're Dunga's breaking my back as a star wars fan five years. I have been breaking my back yeah. We're doing what you the voice broken backs. Thank you for being here. Just go Thanks for listening please around rave reviews subscribe Think Sanford good offer social media thanks to to lay Montgomery furth theme song Pat Reynolds and Joe Bone for our work go to that conference from real nerdy Shit Goto t public for some real nerdy shirts. I think we're working on some new shirts that will be hit the Internet around Christmas time Friday. Oh sure yeah yeah this year. They'RE GONNA have to call David. This area have to call a blank for storm in the malls looking for their CECCHI merch tickle me cecchi please. Can we be ready for CECCHI. Okay you can use it as a pillow dollar bill. y'All you put them in your pillow case Belleville right next week princess-mononoke k. and this pigeon dot com check listen moral commentaries yep. They're good. What are we up to now good question what would be approach from home home? It's going to be by panther next. Oh great comments Jamal boy yeah I mean we really actually he did a good job on that. Although once in a while we're just call your shot. I think I I remember when I was in. I was like Oh that was good I don't you don't you start it. You don't like Michael Be Jerome Jamal Jordan in that movie in particular. Oh I forgot about this movie. I think he's good I think he's good in fruitvale which which is not a good movie I think he's bad and Black Panther which is also a what's better than fruitvale but I listen to it for Jamila. Ah It's also one of those things like sometimes we're just quiet because we're like I said could scene yeah. Oh yeah this is cool. It's also using the commentaries monetary in their three in a row like that by the third one. We're like crazy right right and this is like Oh. I'm just GONNA give into this move. I don't have the energy yeah it. Actually I holds up great when you do that because you've seen other yes sensibly fun and Dr Morrow Movies Mint someone you're like Oh. This is a special right right right right. Yeah okay anyway so that's always PORCO Rosso Fox absence over get out of here. He is us the whole okay I think the whole point of Porco Rosso is that he fucks and the movie is like him largely remembering what it is like to be one who fucks Archer fucked and he will fuck again yeah. I feel like that's the tension in the movie makes love because I don't think he we'll let anyone in to that guy who sit there and eat that plate of pasta like he does and sips that wind like you that Guy Fuck. That's good fucked. Okay you're right. You're pleasures of the flesh of a new thing would be to be like I saw the new Clinton. That movie makes love. Oh Boy God the souvenir makes love severe does make a Donald Curtis is not then we're done. You wonder what a neighbor sure. 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