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How will a socially distanced House of Commons work?
"The Spectator magazine combines. Incisive political analysis with books and outs reviews of unrivalled authority. Try a month. Imprint and online for free and for a limited time. Only get a free wireless phones go to. Www DOT spectator dot co dot UK Ford Slash Charter to start today. Hello and welcome to coffeehouse shots spectators daily and sometimes more than daily. Hold six PODCAST. I'm John Connolly and I'm joined today by James Precise and Katie balls on Tuesday. Mp's or return back to the House of Commons after recess and they will find that the hybrid model of MP zooming in two debates has officially ended. Start off James when the actor return. What do you think the biggest challenge for the government as their pull? The first biggest government is finding an acceptable way for employees to vote speaker. Lindsey Hall has said You can't happen going division lobbies as they did in normal times. It's still not possible to maintain social distancing in that period and it's too dangerous so we still needs to offer solution about program. There is also another challenge which is lots of. Mp's you have to shield themselves because their formidable group because we're medical condition age feel Dale Been Silenced by proposal. Because well they'll still be able to be pad for voting. They won't be able to be present in the Commons for debates and the like robot house on the Chairman of the education committee prisoner very angry piece and he's been turned into parliamentary unit. By so I mean. They're all quite a few challenges here the government and it's going to interesting because Jacob Risks Argument was the MP's needed to show lead to try and show the country. It's time to get back to normal but it saved us in your children to school by coming into the past Westminster the more you hear about the arrangements coming down the track the more you are reminded that in some ways that is a case study in how difficult the return to normality will be Katie. Does seem Tatham Fair. That an he's on allowed to return didn't there's a chance that might be a bit of a u-turn from the government's on this if they find a substantial number of MP's can't come into parliament. I think there's assess level of personal choice in this. I think we have seen. How in a way complicated? The governs messaging is specifically for the over seventy in recent weeks by understand there some? Mp's eighty to seventy he d plan to be in parliament next week. I think there are others. Who May choose to stay away if a talking about? How'd you everyone here's an MP back in a way they can contrary does get back to the fact that part of the reason Jacob? Small leader has been arguing for 'em to return to parliament is to set an example for the rest of the country in going back to work now. Is it sustainable in the medium term to have a situation where anyone who is over seventy or in certain categories and illness cooperate we take part in the east to because they don't just issue and the guidelines in the place everywhere place so I think will need to be looked at but it's not just a common specific property and I think starting to see some of the issues such shielding? Which is shielding means. You can fake on easing traffic sat in groups. But you're already starting to hear from people who are not able to take part in the locker analyzing whether it's an MP. He isn't supposed to pretend parliament or if they are potentially ignoring medical advice as permitted by the government someone in a different industry. And I think that's going to become more potentially more along even as we go on and locked anything and in in terms of the way parliament works James. Facing a substantial difference to how PM will on the first week back. We know. We've had a socially distanced very quiet chamber. Recently decisions in rules will still exists. Chamber will not be but different from how has before recess. I mean the difference will be that you will have to be physically present in the chamber to ask your question. Listenable change the atmosphere it. But it's not going to return to the kind of full blood and thunder pack benches shouting each other. Pm Cues let's talk about the capital of Israel today. Which is you know you do. Wonder if they can bring premiership football back with could have fooled tackling etcetera etcetera etcetera wherever it will be possible to somehow found a way to bring 'em piece but but challenges but as understandable desire per empties into some kind of protective bubble. Well six hundred and fifty and some kind of dormitory setting and so. I think it's going to be quite a long time before parliament work. That used to work Casey James Yourself for NFL. Bit About for example. Tory rebels such as into China research. Group is sort of a risk paps that by bringing these groups of MP's back together again. The government makes rebellion a bit more likely as well. I'll makes it easier to plot. At least let's a calculated risk in the sense that the government thinks virtue in having physically impediment in terms of controlling the party and gathering information. If you look for example has James says premises questions isn't changing in the sense. You can get lots of people into chair. Boris Johnson even if the government would like to do that that is not an immediate change. Their immediate changes because everyone is supposed to be in parliament. They need to speak. You're going to have more. Mp's in Westminster and that means if you get from government Specif-. It is easier for the whips to govern intelligence. It is easier for the whips to speak to to let. Potential problems are intense coming in terms of issues but on the other hand if I speak to him. He's a unhappy about something. They believed that retaliating parliament is good news for them and getting their way. They think it'll be easier to the as and plot is the where jeeze employees. I think one thing that it could be easier to D- they'll be easy to get a sense of the mood of the party in the members team room to work when he's unhappy about something how they then to make that be known to the government and try and force him into something so I think did pre very difficult to whip the party which was remote. I didn't think is necessarily a walking. Apollo wants to get back because the the potential rebels on things like Broadway as James writes in the covid piece. The government is south is meeting its position on China's perhaps that is no longer such a hot potential Tory rebels INITI- but I think issues such as the pace of lockdown easing issues relating to how number tennis operating all those things I think you are quite keen to what the beach in a way that they've find hardesty when they're over moat and MP's won't be the only ones having some relaxation of the lockdown restrictions. Next week from Monday burst Johnson announced that friends and family will be able to meet outdoors in groups of six as long as day. Assess stay outdoors and keep two meters apart. James. You've just written a bit on coffeehouse. About the governor's decision on this and why in particularly thing. They're focusing on social interactions at this stage. Now because I think they think that they need to get people comfortable with going back outside again. A poll by Morris Justin half the public. The government is easy to quickly and lots of evidence from polls anecdotes that lots of parents won't send their children back to school even if a schools do reopen for reception. You know one in six next week and I the government's hope is that if people see friends and family in In the park on their back garden over the next week or so and nothing bad happens. There's no drama that people will then be a bit more like well. Okay when the shots reopened in the middle of the month. Maybe I'll prepared to to go out and buy don't essential goods because I'm not so worried about what's going to happen to me if I had out now and I think there is a real challenge of the whole country has got a bit of a case of Fogo and how you get people to have the confidence to begin resume. Their normal life begins spending. Money again is offering a real challenge. The government and the public finances have taken some very heavy blows because of Krona virus. And if we end up with people in very hesitant about resuming normal life voss normal economic activity but it's GonNa make the pros opponent finances even worse and Katie to seem quite precarious position for the government. Decent they're prepared for if there is a rise in infections after sort of relaxation of measures. Well I think is really tricky. We keep hearing. Boris Johnson saying the driving to avoid a second peak. We have the test and TRAE system. That's been announced this week which is basically a way of keeping things from going too fast. You high two point when the government can't keep track of anymore is also aimed at trying to reassure the public saying. Hey Look we have this. I'm using Boris Johnson's words here. This world class system and there is no safety things like Sandra children back to school but on the other hand you hear that in terms of testing trace is the operating. Never that would be. I think flu capacity owner were interesting questions in the press conference on Thursday from Jefferson and you scientists actually if you look at the car at number of infections every day which is estimated. Have you actually got enough intense? The number contrary to ever and is nine. You don't but the system needs to prove itself and I think that the worrying government is You make mistakes in the first stage of maps people will forgive you and I think there's an acceptance and we had a little bit of that from bursts in on the liaison committee this week that they did make mistakes initially but people will be a lot less forgiving about any mistakes in the future so although it's very clear that they want to be cautious for this reason I think that if you do have a sharp rise in infections public trust and rebuilding becomes even more difficult than currently is at the moment intensive guessing people's feel comfortable to go back and James you've talked in the past about perhaps locked restrictions. Inputting place locally. Do you think it would be possible? Restrictions again but on a national level of the government aim is to be able to avoid the sledgehammer national lockdown to use these local restrictions to talk it ups in infections like seeing weston-super-mare at the moment for example. I think a second national lockdown would be very hard. It would be hard to also public. Go through that again and it would also again be very hard on the economy and therefore very hard on the public finances. If you had a second lockdown I'll you restore Levin things like the photo all over again? I mean the FELLAS meant to wind up in the ultimate you saying that if you and second national and December is asking to be resumed because if so that a massive blow to the public finances so my hustle instinct is. They will try very hard to keep these lockdowns local wrong with them being national. I mean that's the whole point. The test and trade system. But I getting going but given the government's record with it projects. And I we can wait and see before we declare. That is the answer to the problem. Thank you James. Thank you Katie. And thank you for Listening The Spectator magazine. Combines incisive political analysis with books and arts reviews of unrivalled authority try a month imprint and online for free and for a limited time? Only get a free wireless phone charger go to. Www DOT spectator dot co dot UK forward slash charter to start today.
Has Letwin derailed Super Saturday?
"Sleep the Saturday but has super sats really going to be on K. tables injured Isabelle Huppert ben and James for Saif from the House of Commons roof said D.. Forgive us if you Coffee how shots spectators daily in these days daily podcast so it's the Tory MP's have been calling the surrender act Lloyd ABC's noise an actual names act the bill you'll be asking them to this to get the prime minister's ascend that letters and what they want to do is they want to drag this process out so he more and more amendments dance video and this is the way they can keep alive the hope of putting down is to ABS- stain on the final mission so we will not find out whether Boris Johnson has this poor three hundred twenty MP's for his deal and leaving on October thirty first house without having just been having just had a defeat who says you can't the the orgy looks like the entire Yoji are gonNA vote for amendment pitfalls by Oliver Letwin yes this Palman is about to engage in its favorite activity cam kicking so the let with amendment essentially says you just have to vote for the deal you have to vote against the Latin amendment two and so this is GonNa come down to what the Labor MP's we're going to support the deal and those who are rendered mute vote tonight is often it means that it's not a vote to approve Boris Johnson's deal Rav the government putting the thumbscrews on and they'll making the argument to the twenty one Tory empty lost the whip quite if you would like the whip back if you want to whip back life you times and often it doesn't hit me as much crunch crunch she expects and it does appear that this could be happening all over again and that's because right that's you could use the second vote as a proxy to say there is consent for this deal I'm number ten have basically decided send lesser requesting an extension you over Tory discipline they're currently appears to be would break down at that point is a known thing here which is the overlap is probably clever the free us put together but has no commonsense I on what he doesn't get is that most people voting for amendment he wants leave a lot before I write most people don't tonight so we're not we're not gonna get the own so that we will fall you're going to get but it's likely the amendment will pass but not susser to to take the time to take the pressure out of the out of them to move it's used as so they can try a fresh to get the consent of the flow of the cost US conservative MP's to abstain now all over Lebanon argues that that shouldn't be necessary because openly could still show in the after what's the the first so at the end of evening we wouldn't know if parliament supports is still on now if Philemon Latin amendment passes the government will then tell all that's happy it's this deal I think the other worry the government has this is just it's not just on the number of amendments that that are going to be made people sort of trying to wreck brexit it's just the amount of time that going to have to to get any of this dogs if they bring it back on choose I mean they could feasibly table the motion for the vote on the deal today vote that would require them to send a letter to the EU requesting an extension and then try and bring back his bill and Paul his deal and pass it about amendment to the bill I simply we will simply leave without a deal on October thirty first and this is really a way of keeping alive the hopes of a second referendum so then is voted on a Monday but at the moment it exists plan is for it to be on Tuesday you have to get through I'm Coleman's you mentioned it briefly we have had swooning Steve Baker at speak to the his fellow Yoji members along with Mark Francois and to have other Latin argues actually you can still read from that there is support wise number tenting yes I mean as you say it is perfectly possible winners deal you call ask the government whips can do a lot of things but they call awesome to vote for a brexit extension letter to be sent they are asking for this act says she's decided that she's going to support the government stale and says she's received assurances on Worker's rights which is the main case that the Labor frontbenchers may get needs to fundamentally obstructionist parliament would do anything to stop brexit the fact that bonus combat the brexit dealer today parliament has is going to vote not vote on it the House of Lords in time for all of these things to be uprooted time for October the thirty first otherwise as we've said the ever on leaving the e Tiffany I he doesn't have to win the second reading vote he has to win the program ocean which would be an exceptionally tight timed Isabelle what are the government worries regarding that when amendment is that they feel it takes pressure off for Labor peace so if there is a sense that at she noted agreement that now means that if a majority of Amer as in the Northern Irish Assembly vote to end this arrangement it would end I think is that does that does attention boys Johnson is is legally forced to request till the festival January will apply so they can only negate that extension being forced to antidote even as opposed to later date for this do you think that's fair is that what you're picking up yeah I think I think it is something that has has really snooped the government thing is so important because the DP had been hoping that a whole chunk of e. r. g. would stick with them but I think that it is hard to argue that the consent provisions in it is going to vote to vote on it meaningless is quite telling I mean I think the big big moment of drama next week is going to be program motion because if he wants to both figures said that they do everyone in that group should back to deal net if you think back at even a couple of months ago if various things these MP's have been saying tens of its talks with Labor and seen a push back at the in the past hour say Carolina Flip Princeton's labor he has been really laying into the let win amendment opponent support Johnson Steele saying you can you really trust this guy can you trust his assurances on worker's rights can you really trust that this isn't the sort of back door to know deal that John able to get his all through both houses while the thirty first James He's speaking to some of the obstacles the government is facing for intensive kidneys with the government it's off the table because an extension has asked for anyway as of eleven pm tonight we just won't do that means you can few Labor MP's today he would then looser relationship in the May deal on Northern Ireland I mean there is a crucial change on consent and this is where David Trimble's biking for the deal he was at the G Maecenas today is a problem so night when he stood up and responded towards Johnson statements Criticize to do but then said it was once said that no British happened minutes added that you support the deal even if the motion has been changed so no longer complies with the Hilary Benn legislation back with me and and it isn't the exact vote burst requests pile of elect win by getting this through as quickly as possible I think there is one way which Lumberton have meaning could they if your own humint is that your offer Mr could ever agree to such terms and indeed those who sought the leadership of the Tory party said so at all conference and that's something that's being picked up by particularly Labor very different than the previous deal I think that the northern dimension obviously the DP not supporting it is a problem for for the prime minister but also what the DP have been saying in the Chamber Subject Whip is GonNa end up voicing for and I think the reason is academia the lot the political declaration implies a looser consider Komo public yet but applying what do they do they vote for that one or not and the government's plan if that does cut remarkable yeah I think this is what Boris Johnson has achieved is he has brought back deal but I think nearly everyone has the and was suggesting it was yesterday and so on and so on and for them they think that the way to prise away some of that wavering colleagues is to say well actually do you trust creasing since then being a bit different from the rest of the UK and there is also now wave phenomenon and these arrangements if it so chooses and I think that that does make is a notice by everybody and that would be to push the UK to stay in the customs union and the European economic area if it did you wouldn't essentially need tinkling on one of the interesting question is whether they will shift because there is one way that you could ensure but this regulatory and customs border and the RC powerful weapon and on the DP I would probably say there's that sub zero chance of at this point the DP abstaining let alone going for the wealthy sums up Boris Johnson's encourage Baltimore Ambassador and the fact that he still thinks there's a chance of winning round the DP to this deal it is is absolutely mind blowing things if you read their statements these statements that leave any door not for negotiating mandate for phase two that was based on the idea of the UK staying in the EA the customs union so kind of Norway plus jargon on the grounds that the up but without negotiating mandate for phase two you undoubtedly how lost Taurean piece vote for that so I wonder if I think we will see as the bills do any sort of a new kind of to buy in Belfast Cardiff situation they are there's no of money negotiate any of these arrangements that would be superseded and I think it would be very interesting to see again the twins south is just the beginning of the parliamentary shenanigans if you were a Hof googlers and the anti-democratic box it is it is a set of special provisions for Northern Ireland yes but has since the Anglo ours agreements hearing helicopters now James It's been billed as the day that would actually decide brexit over the years as listeners in this podcast with no we've heard et and there is no shortage of canny people on the remains of his argument one of the ways you would try and derail still is you tron cobbled together a Commons majority disappointed by his response he didn't rise to the occasion but he didn't end spend the rest of his response ridiculing the Labour leader because he doesn't want to put backbench Labour MP's off pretty much is as much as that is probably very tempting for him at the stage thank you as well thank you James Prized this is again one of the reasons people are voting for the let when amendment the more time you have the more mischief you can make as the bill goes through and it might be today that we then I think it'd be really interesting very interesting Boris Johnson statement on it's interesting watching Steve Barkley leading the debate now in the Commons confusing to be caught jocular with and who they're choosing to be very polite to you so or Johnson was unusually polite Jeremy Corbyn he sort of tried to claim the moral high ground by saying all these types of switches if you would call them that which you start seeing moving the other way I'm not sure I think it is still labor backbencher you get to see Radio Boris Yeltsin does have majority for the steel depending book the votes but whatever happens when that verdict comes be expected to be very tight news and the independent MP's at Motley crue there and ex Tori and peace I think they're the ones who who still hold the balance Monte the things he's promising you worth even the paper that he might write mon for you and so that's the kind of attack line and dot says is given the most powerful I wanna which MP's do you think is the bellwether MP's ones that would be the most decisive because we've heard today that kate hurry is not backing the steel and she takes we should support that because that would mean the whole of the UK was being treated the same obvious if you could put that in a game that would not change international treaties on the EU. What's that the extra piece on the because I think they've got most of them the majority of them in favor of the deal but it's the letwin issue that's the problem can referendum amendment because they needed if Boris Johnson won this vote today on the U. K.. was on course to the telephone. I or simply say if you on a second reference sheepish newman lamb the Democrat Hughes spoke no power how he wants to do has said he is not backing it so is.
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Who Is Boris Johnson?
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Things are contentious in the U._K.. Maybe more so than usual at one point the House Speaker had to interrupt the prime minister speech to lecture his fellow M._P.'s Constitutional Putian Assault Odor. I apologize for interrupting the Prime Minister. This thought too much noise in this chamber far too many members who think it's all right for them to shout out their opinion the prime minister stop well. Let's be clear it isn't the statement will be heard and there will be ample opportunity in conformity with convention and as established by me decade for colleagues to question the Prime Minister but the statement segment we'll be heard and it will be heard with courtesy. The Prime Minister be pooled. You're engaging and also far too much negativity by the well well. The speaker in the House of Commons can bring order to the M._p.'s I suppose <hes> in the immediate sense but he does not have the power to bring order to politics in the United Kingdom does Boris Johnson. Some people say unlikely here with a window into into what John Sonian era could look like is and mcevoy. She's editor for Economists Radio and senior editor at the Economist and mcevoy on the line from London. Thanks for being here great pleasure to be with you. <hes> well Boris Johnson born in our own New York City educated hated at Eton the very cautious school in all of the U._k.. Fair to say his new job is is the one he's wanted for his whole career his whole life in fact opposite the I'm a contemporary of Boris Johnson's that she a at Oak said good thing burress John's no not depending which which way you're looking at it to see his march through the elite institutions doesn't leave many out and we were at the same time and I remember him speaking in the Oxford Union. That's a very well known debating chamber modelled on the House of Commons on lot of eighteen year olds in penguin suits preparing themselves for future glory and I went turned up and very naive eighteen year old that the first person I saw speaking the same Oregon tones that you've just it was played out there was Boris Johnson. I think it was pretty clear from the get-go that he wanted to be a very senior politician and I think he had that ambition that dry from early on to say I want to be prime minister. He's not someone who you would hide that. He's in Tub Uni- seconds they say that Boris is the master of the media moment much like our own President Donald trump that that even the branding even down to the tussled messy hair. It's it's not an accident at. It all it reflects somebody who's just rolled out of bed but in fact he tussles it himself before the television hit begins that it's all part of a carefully crafted persona. Yes Kathy crafted percent. I'm a bit careful when it comes to direct comparisons donald trump. I think they're very different kinds of people. I think they're very different kinds of conservative. If indeed Donald Trump is a conservative I think there is something profoundly conservative about Boris Johnson but also he is in many ways much why we're looking much much more small l liberal just his liberalism doesn't fall in the places that that would be comfortable from left liberals either in America or the U._K.. Is Funny. You should mention the hair because great tribe of Johnson Siblings all have rather the beautiful and very well kept head except Boris his hair was looks like a a haystack so there is an element of that he sat in his consciously modelled himself Winston Churchill with that delivery is very churchillian and the more so than than most other Polish boys who who went to Eton. I think there's something that he's always been aiming fool that which was Winston three point zero we are warned time and time again not to make too many comparisons between Boris Johnson and Donald Trump at the master of the media moment and perhaps is an apt comparison. Here's the big question when it comes to Boris Johnson. Maybe the only question that matters when it comes to Boris Johnson can he get a brexit deal done in under ninety four days now more and more people thank in the U._k.. That they're going to leave the E._U.. On October first with no deal on customs or trade or all the many other details of an economic relationship with Europe France Timmerman is first vice president of the European Commission and he believes at that result would be a tragedy for all sites not just for the United Kingdom I I'm. I'm not one of those saying that going to suffer. We're all going to suffer that happens. I think if I look back at the last years I don't think many people in United Kingdom when they voted for Brexit's intentionally voters for a new brexit. I don't think that happened. I think there is a strong willingness in society to come out of this in a reasonable way and I think the best way to come out of this on the basis of the agreement that that was reached with the European Union and Boris Johnson likes to talk about positively we heard it at the top. He's attacked the gloomsters and the doomsters but from over here I have to say we've watched a Brexit vote and then you know a lot of flailing flailing after that Theresa may stymied time after time to get a majority for any plans to leave the E._u. and the E._U.. Saying we're not going to deal anymore. So is there any reason for this optimism that Boris Johnson demands of his fellow M._p.'s and the British public well the the reasons why he might get along by doing something a bit different. He's not going to do what Theresa May did and she tried very hard to do it. Via Consensus only to find that she couldn't reach a consensus in her parliament and she had three goes that withdrawal agreement as you rightly point called meaningful but votes but increasingly were known around Westminster is meaningless votes so I think Boris Johnson comes in rather differently he says if nothing else can be coupled together that we can will agree to we will leave on the thirty first that's different from Theresa May's style and tone. She was never very keen a tool about embracing that no deal message Frans Timmermans like a lot of people in the European Commission in on the European Pin side of the table a state well people didn't vote for no deal and I think that is true and I think in very troublesome indeed the only thing is of course if if Boris's polling figures of looking good and confident he can say well at least he's actually the way that <music>. I'm getting the backing to negotiate and he's trying you can hear it in his voice to to draw that distinction when he talks about the gloom student doomsters here eating means all the people who failed before him there might be some form of movement on the other side of the. Channel I've just been making progress in France and Germany and I think if you go to Berlin where a no deal brexit would have many very bad consequences as well not only for our economy primarily in the U._k.. But for the big economies of northern Europe you you probably get a bit more than you get. If you go to France I think what we'll get. The end game is these big governments will have to decide. Is this something that they want to offer or do. We all just have to prepare for the immense bureaucracy and entanglement of a new deal trading arrangement where we have to really go back to world trade rules and build it from the ground up that would not be easy. 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We're hitting the road so you can meet all of the twenty twenty contenders appeal is GonNa drive me crazy the N._p._R.. Politics podcast subscribe we're talking about Brexit and Britain's new the prime minister with an mckelway of the economist now and I know that you warned us off of taking to close a comparison between Boris Johnson and our own president trump and I'm mindful of it I am but you just described something else. That's quite Trumpian which is negotiating from the brink. We have repeated situation here. Where crises are created in negotiating from a from a threat of crisis is taken by the leader is being a point of strength in a negotiation? Let me play you a clip of our own president president trump here who seems pretty excited about Boris Johnson. The president certainly has been a supporter of Brexit. Listen Boris is going to be a great prime minister predictable be great prime minister. He has what it takes. They needed him for a long time. U K needed him for a long time so for us and I just spoke I congratulated him and he's all set to go now. President Trump's former advisor Steve Bannon was a huge proponent of breaking up these alliances the European European Union. Maybe even NATO <hes> president trump is followed along does derailing endorsement from the president of the United States help Boris Johnson domestically hurt him or or is it an IRO. What do people think yes it depends it depends on where you go doesn't it but I think you're absolutely right to point out that there? There are bits that I think can be over-egged in the comparison. I think what is right is that both of them are sensible. Chances they're prepared to take risks of other. People are not prepared to take nick and I think that is why there is this affinity between them. Even though in there are lots of things that they don't really agree on a tool I mean I think Boris is actually very strong pro NATO person. He's quite own foreign affairs tends to be rather nuanced and he how's that you something of that small c conservative <hes> thinking on so he's not a huge doozy mastic intervene in everything but I think he's not neither Donald Trump. He's not a pullback from the world earlier in euro terms kind of. Of leader whether I think you're absolutely right is that trump. Donald Trump is sort of embracing Boris Johnson partly because he likes another random individual WHO's not allied to the E._U.. Elites and also I would get making bit. The trouble with Angela Merkel seems to be the kind of enemy of Donald Trump and so I think there's a bit of mischief being played there. It's also Boris Johnson has to an extent. I didn't want to sort of soften. The edges of Boris Johnson's campaign too much certainly people in vote leave in his in the campaign to leave the European Union almost ahead of the trump phenomenon. They really did take a sort of a leaf out of that playbook you painted in bold colors of people people say that's not true. Don't worry that much move on move the message on and when people raise their slightly whingeing doubts put them in the corner and say that the dreadful kind of whingeing lefties and would you expect so there is a there is that ability which is sometimes I think very interesting dynamic politics and then can shade into shall we say being loose with the facts so with the very day create the doubt receive the doubt then troll the doubt sounds familiar as well cliff writes this to us on facebook. You can't run away from your problems and Britain's problems are economic conservative Thatcher. I'm x factor economics. Pardon me is the Brits version of reaganomics cutting granny's pension to to pay for tax cuts for the rich class warfare on your own people. It never works and running away fixes. Nothing Stephen writes on facebook Boris Johnson is going to crash out of Europe on Halloween causing the next great worldwide economic depression and <hes> and one of the risks of negotiating on the brink or at least appearing to is that you could go over it and that might not have just messaging consequences but real world economic consequences yes if we do indeed go over the brink into a new deal arrangement on the thirty first lack of her engine on the thirty first of October the conversation I think change very quickly to how does Boris Johnson government manage this. I think in those circumstances he'd had for general election quite quickly put himself up against Jeremy Corbyn very left wing Labour leader then I suppose you gentlemen there on Facebook we could test is about what would happen in those circumstances but he would be left the remarkably complicated task of dealing with this so-called new deal scenario. It's easy to say oh you go back to just two basic W._T._o.. Tariffs but when you've heard that degree of involvement is connections actions in everything from food supply chain to loss minute delivery to car industry anything could be friction in terms of ports and we all Rhode Island so it does everything takes a little bit longer <hes> <hes> that I think would be such a huge difficult technological mechanical task that he would probably need to go and get a new mandate to do that and I think that's the reason why we there is a hoop that something might might come up up but you all right when she negotiate from the brink and Boris Johnson is the lead to because nobody not people in his party wanted to continue the search for consensus they couldn't find that is the risk you take and it is a very considerable risk where we asked for your calls and your questions questions about Boris Johnson Mister Prime Minister as he's now known a here's one of your many messages to US Warren. I'm calling from Delray Beach Florida. I used to live in England. My mother was English. Britain must is be very careful about Boris Johnson lest he lead the British people into the hands of the American insurance companies and they lose their wonderful socialized medicine. So the national healthcare system such as we should have here in America and Warren says the N._H._l.. The beloved in maligned N._H._S. is at risk. Don't fall into the same trap as the Americans. He says it is part of the debate constantly in the U._k.. Are People worried that their old standbys of the social safety net in the U._k.. Could be threatened here. They're all those who live in in a state of of fear about the future of the N._H._l.. The the real problem that has won it needs to get more money now quickly to to the front line and that's been held back a bit and all this chaos and a bit because of the electoral cycle and the other thing is a narrow. I would probably challenge the caller a bit. Is that the N._H._S. it also needs reforms homes. It is not at all over a wonderful service. He deserves a very good at delivering healthcare for everyone which is clearly something that the American system has struggled with an is still struggling with and or are you calling for peaks and troughs. Are you calling. You're calling warranted. Doomsayer gloomsters sounds like that's that's what Boris Johnson says very sensible person to me but I do feel it's almost shoot of used. It was more passion in the U._S.. In the argument about looking into Britain and the other way round it's interesting that Boris Johnson has kept the health section place. WHO's a someone who was a remain who is seen as a reformer and I think really reforming the N._H._S. is probably the task? I didn't think it's in any danger such so who strongly rooted in terms of a bit like you'll get down the BBC in Britain that sometimes makes us. Perhaps a bit late onto parts of reform that that needs to happen within it. I don't see a big danger to the N._H._S.. I the worst thing I can see how Johnson government is not attention paid to props. It's clear that you know I'm on the more reform inside of the the agenda on the N._H._S. or an education that these are areas that need attention and your country has to pay attention to whether on the left or the right you want the argument about them to be about how they get better that needs focus from government and the thing about breakfast just a huge time suck well. All this is happening of that even if anyone wanted to sell it off tune in Indian the American Insurance Company should they find everyone else was eating meeting dealing with Brexit after quick break. We're GONNA talk more about Boris Johnson. This is won. Stay close and support also comes from Rossi's Roth. These are the everyday flats for life on the go stylish versatile fully machine washable and they go with everything from the Yoga Pants to dresses and skirts best of all. There's zero break in period. Thanks to their woven design seamlessly crafted from recycled water bottles plus Rossi's always come with free shipping and free returns and exchanges find out why buzzfeed called them there forever shoes at rockies dot com slash one a going on a big group trip always sounds good in theory but it can get tricky when you get there and having totally different expectations checkout N._p._R.. Life kits new guide on navigating group group travel or subscribe to life all guys for all our episodes all in one place and how exactly you're Brits feeling about Brexit just now they voted for it. It's been it's been chaotic for sure to say the least but I saw one comic earlier today a <hes> An editorial cartoon making fun of Brexit in a spirit of of a Disney cartoon piles of gold showering on London <hes> sort of Mary poppins and Peter Pan Style unicorns in Bowler hats. You know flying around parliament the idea being it was a fun story the promise of Brexit but it's not real not going to happen. You know the interesting thing. Is that very broadly speaking. If you go to people who voted for Brexit they will still live. Very excited than they want to give Boris Johnson this chance to deliver it and if you were against Brexit well you probably doubled down on your antipathy and you will see the chaos and the failure to deliver a cleaner brexit in these three years as a sign that it's a Unicorn in a in a bowl of hot soup. It seems to oscillate between hope and despair then. There's probably quite a lot of people in the middle. We don't his much about in the Brookhurst major in the U._k.. Who just really kind of they won't eat done? If you just walk out to the market square somewhere in a small town in in Britain indeed fifty miles outside London which is very remain intends to sort of get very much into the argument I go out to every weekend fifty miles out of town and basically the feelings you hasn't it happened yet. You know where where are you all wears this thing that we were promised so I think there's a very nuanced spread of opinion. There is a sense of I think irritation in the country at politicians and irritated postseasons whether the left or right or the brexit or remain and that is a bit dangerous because as you experienced in the U._S. with the rise of Donald Trump when you get a lot of people feeling that the political class failure otherwise that it's left them behind it ladies listening to them it didn't deliver what it promised to deliver or the other way that they shouldn't have had the referendum to start with you. Get a dislocation and I noticed that as a reporter at Westminster people harsh a you know things they shelter harsher in that that Sousse Warp and west of British political life has become more reactive and I think that's something it would be very good in whatever the outcome if we could could step. Can we just kind of go back to our generally. It's like a more <hes> distanced and inability to roll with things that would really help well before we go and we've been warned Ed loose of the Financial Times warned us just last week on this show that Boris Johnson does not have a free hand he may be on the Brexit exit mandate do or die right now but he has Nigel garage and the populist pro brexit party off to the side really threatening him that if he fails here he calls an election with the wrong timing he does have Nigel for us to contend and with not just the the Labor Party the interesting relationship will be between Boris Johnson and Nigel farage and the brexit party initial pooling shoes at Boris Johnson gets in Brexit party falls because those voters really wanted done now think Boris can deliver it but <hes> if that turns out not to be the case the Brexit party is very good at popping up and down again and this is something that is changing the party landscape. It's a movement it can rise and fall it can go away Nigel for Russian takeover their income backing in that makes them quite formidable and the question I think for Boris Johnson is how much does he bring in outright populace like garage into this tent and at that point is big tent within his own party gets in it gets a little bit more concerned it was it was said of Louis the fourteenth by of course a former mistress who else that he was a very powerful king but he had a very small scepter and there was an element of I think you just got the illusion that there is an element of that that Boris Johnson that there is a barnstorming very performing tive understands power how to wield it in the modern media but in the end it is precarious power and I think that is what we're all going to see that last word goes to Elissa who tweets the most concerning part of no deal brexit is at the prime minister is glossing over what a hard border would look like with Ireland. Anyone who knows about the troubles know how bad checkpoints are there that might be a piece of British and Irish history that people are loath to go back to it might not be a possibility in the immediate term but but looming on the horizon if brexit fails and mckelway editor for economist Radio Senior editor at The economist and thank you so much for joining us great thanks for having me today show was produced by page Osborne and edited by O. Rien Donovan Smith to learn more about the team plus links to our past shows and podcasts. It's all at the one A. Dot Org.
The Evening Briefing: Thursday February 6
"Good evening I'm Chris. Price with the briefing from the Telegraph bringing you up to speed in two minutes is Thursday February the sixth and the SMP's being rocked walked by what's being described as a grooming scandal. So it was supposed to be the day when he delivered. Scotland forty three billion pound budgets instead. Eh McCoy handed in his resignation. Scottish Finance Minister the men tip to succeed Nicholas Surgeon as SNP. Leader admitted telling a schoolboy. He was cute after bombarding him with over two hundred seventy online messages. He Antrim Scottish conservative. Leader Jackson Carl said the messages constitute grooming. Is He lions details. What they said. Meanwhile in Westminster the discussion is all about figures who've left the House of Commons and pays have been divided over. Boris Johnson's decision to award peerages to Ken. Clarke and Philip. Hammond you'll remember both former chancellor had the whip removed for defying the Tory leader on Brexit. And Joe Burke has also clinging to the headlines. He's being rebuked by the House of Commons over his new autobiography where he named staff caught up in the bullying row surrounding him. The spread of Corona virus continues a third patient in the UK's tested positive and is being treated in a London hospital. The viruses killed five hundred sixty five people and infected more than twenty eight thousand around the world but there are ways to avoid unnecessary panic reach. Katie Russel's guide for how to talk to your child about Corona virus and Donald Trump's making the most of his impeachment acquittal. As I speak. He's he's holding a press conference at the White House and at a prayer breakfast this morning. He took to the stage brandishing. Two newspapers with the headline acquitted. He took are dishonest. It's only stink corrupt people behind his impeachment and one of them Nancy Pelosi was sitting alongside him on the stage right. Stay put if you're listening on WHATSAPP. I Pol send you those links. Now if you're listening on spotify apple or wherever you get your poke ass to find them in the show notes as well as links to the disturbing truth about being a snow plow parents and Sam Wallace somewhere. Lionel Messi holds the power at Barcelona not the club's board that sits you up to date more from Danny tomorrow morning.
Special coverage: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau addresses the House as anti-pipeline blockades continue
"Throughout the nineteen eighty s strange phenomenon with sweeping North America. They were in a panic and like people in a panic. They want solutions allegations of underground satanic cults torturing and terrorizing children. The thing is there were no satanic cults preying on children and nearly thirty years later the people touched by it all are still picking up the pieces a work of fiction. This is a work of history satanic panic the latest. Cbc Uncover Available Now. This is a CBC podcast Good morning my name's Matt Galloway. This is a special edition of the current. The Prime Minister is getting set to address the House of Commons this as the pipeline protests and rail blockades continue to spread across the country. We are waiting for him to take a stand in the House of Commons and Offer some sort of sense as to where the story is going to go from here. He's speaking right now. Let's have a listen to the Prime Minister Speaker? I'd like to begin by recognizing that we are on the ancestry. Land of the people. Mr Speaker people troubled by what they've been witnessing this past week young old indigenous newcomers. They're asking themselves what is happening in this country. They're asking what lies ahead for themselves for their communities for can't they know that these protests are serious that this is a critical moment for our country and for. Our Future. So Do I. On all sides people are upset and frustrated. Again it's understandable because this is about things that matter rights and livelihoods the rule of law and our democracy Gianatti this course against the about her. She d manifesto. We'll cover CD MA-MA if you see so she could have. I fall into the show not appeal. He Pacific we'll see what the issue could be. Calmer Nigga do what I don't do. It is time past time for this situation to be resolved but what we are facing was not created overnight it was not created because we have embarked upon a path of reconciliation recently in our history. It is because for too long in our history for too many years we failed to do so so finding the solution will not be simple. It will take determination hard work and cooperation. There is no relationship more important to Canada than the one with indigenous peoples and today as prime minister I am once again formally extending my hand in partnership and trust over the last eleven days our government has been working on a path forward even as many have been saying we should give up because we know what is at stake. We know that we cannot afford to fail for so we are creating a space for peaceful honest dialogue with willing partners as we heard this morning for Mohawk leaders and from national chief Perry Bell Guard we need to resolve this through dialogue and mutual respect to the what sweating and Mohawk nations and indigenous leaders across the country. We are listening. We are not asking that you stop standing up for your communities your rights and for what you believe we only ask that you be willing to work with the federal government as a partner in finding solutions you remind us rightly so the too often trust has been betrayed in the history of indigenous negotions nations with Canadian governments. In fact that underlines the difficulty of solving this situation today but are common. Ground is the desire to arrive at solutions. We cannot resolve this alone just like we need indigenous leaders to be partners. We also need Canadians to STU. Show both resolve and collaboration. Everyone has a stake in getting this right so I not concentrate avenues. You happy dependable two three huge. Don Posse kid points suggest you of Shaanxi happy. Just seek over to to Winston the Memento equally shows Saigon Djonko Union. Mom would you go about your day? She don't district just inland accessories. Alma Arthur Hugh will because only about harsh to lease a new family not yellow over the weekend. The Minister of indigenous services met with representatives from Tonaga as well as other members of the Mohawk nation. And I have committed to the with sweat and hereditary chiefs that the minister of crown indigenous relations will meet with them anytime time and. I hope that the offer will be accepted. This is our opportunity now to bring these perspectives together. Because Mr Speaker. What is the alternative? Do we want to become a country of irreconcilable differences where people talk but refused to listen? We're politicians are ordering police to arrest people a country where people think they can tamper with rail lines and endanger live. This is simply unacceptable. We cannot solve these problems on the margins. That is not the way forward. I know that people's patience is running short. We need to find a solution. We need to find it now. I have spoken in this. House about how my father faced protests over the debate about aboriginal and Treaty Rights in the Constitution over thirty years later many of those questions still linger which is why our pace of change must be even faster and not only in this situation despite having invested more than any other government to write historic wrongs to close persistent gaps. We know that there is still more much more to be done. It is unacceptable that there are people who still don't have access to clean drinking water that indigenous women and girls still go missing and are murdered that there are people without housing and good education. It is unacceptable that indigenous peoples are still denied rights and lands Mr Speaker so we need to keep finding solutions and that can only happen by working together by. Listen I'LL KATHY SWAZILAND ACCESSORY? Sit Down New spin it. I guess you knew who was on gas. She does well new zone liquidity. Don't there are those who would want us to act in haste? Who want us to boil this down to slogans and ignore the click cities who think that using force is helpful it is not patients may be in short supply and that makes it more valuable than ever indigenous rights climate action law and order building clean economy. We will not achieve these things by degrading our up the honorable prime minister very serious topic that we're discussing today and I'm starting to hear heckling from both sides which really troubles me. I just want everyone to take a deep breath and listen to the speakers that we have. Today we have more coming down. We'll prime minister might repeat my last sentence. Patients may be in short supply and that makes it more valuable than ever Mr Speaker in this country. We're facing many important in deep debates debates about the future livelihoods of our children the future of our environment our relations with countries around the world are positioning on things that are fundamental at a time of anxiety and more and more. Canadians are impatient to see those answers. More and more people are frustrated that there is such uncertainty and more and more. We see those debates carried with increasing intensity on the margins of democratic conversations. The place for these debates is here in this health place in these. These debates are around kitchen tables and community centers in this country and yes. There is always a place for Canadians to protest and express their frustrations but we need to ensure that we are also listening to each other the reality of populism Mr Speaker and its Siren Song in our democracies. These days is that a desire to listen only to oneselves into people who agree with them and not with people of another perspective and the concern with action before discussion. The need for reasonable reason debate in this place is at the center of what we have to continue to move forward with as a country. Indigenous Rights Climate Action Law and order building a clean economy. We will not achieve these things by degrading our democracy. We must be honest about why we are here. We must be open to working together to move forward and not just in the days ahead but as we make progress on everything from implementing indigenous rights and title addressing historic wrongs and ending long-term drinking water advisories as a country and as a government. We need to continue the work we are doing and we need to continue to walk this road together to everyone. I say we are extending our hands in good faith for dialogue. The opportunity is there on the table. Right now we're in this together. The worker senior indigenous leader. Protester the police officer let us have the courage to take this opportunity and take action together and so to build a better path for all Canadians. Fc Miss Your special edition of current. My name's Max Alloway. We're listening to the prime minister. Justin Trudeau speak in the House of Commons as pipeline protests. Continue across this country Andrew. Scheer leader of the Conservative Party is now going to speak. What's this that? Was the weakest response to a national crisis in Canadian. I listened to the Prime Minister's Word Salad just now Mr Speaker and at least two key things were missing a clear. Nca Shen that the actions of these radical activists are illegal and some kind of an action plan. That would put an end to the illegal blockades and get our economy back on. Prime Minister statement was a complete abdication of responsibility and leadership. Day Lhasa Lad. I listened to the Prime Minister's Word Salad just now at least y'all clear to things. Were missing clear that the actions of these radical activists are illegal and some kind of action. Plan to end these illegal blockades and put our economy back on track. The prime minister statement was a complete details of responsibility and fail near probably their ship speaker. We are at an important time in our country's history a time when we will have to decide who and what our country stands for. Will we BE COUNTRY OF YES? We're big national projects can get built and our country can grow and develop walk or we'll our country the country of no where a few loud voices can shut down development and prosperity for all. We'll our country be one of the rule of law or will our country be one of the rule of the mob. Will we let our entire economy be held hostage by a small group trampling over the legal system? Which is governed our country for more than one hundred and fifty years? Because let me be clear. Mr Speaker standing between our country and prosperity is a small group of radical activists. Many of whom have little to no connection to first nations communities of radical activists who won't rest until our oil and gas industry is entirely shutdown. Now they may have the luxury of not having to go to work every day. They may have the luxury of not facing repercussions for skipping class but they are blockading our ports. Our railways and our borders and our roads and highways and they are appropriating an indigenous agenda which they are willfully misrepresented. Mr Speaker the Prime Minister's elevation of these protesters to the same level as the thousands of men and women in first nations communities across our country who have in good faith been trying to right. The wrongs of cleaning history does a disservice to the spirit of reconciliation at the prime minister has emboldened and encourage this kind of behavior by cancelling other big projects based on political consideration instead of on science and on facts to me. President improvement. Mr Speaker supposed to the radical group of activists is causing our country and many of whom little or no connection first nation communities of radical activists. Who Won't rest? Until our oil and gas industry is entirely shutdown though Chaminda blocking our ports railways our borders. Our roads and highways reality is that a vast majority of members of the wet sweat and people support the coastal gas link single elected band council on the coastal gas link. Route supports this project. Even the majority of predatory chiefs support this project vast majority of first nations community members themselves. Support this project. Because this project will create jobs it will create opportunities and it will lead to investments in their communities and in the end it will help reduce global greenhouse gas emissions. This is a fantastic opportunity for the whatsoever and people Mr Speaker. So why are these? Radical activists opposing this project because for them this is just a warm up. Act a warm up act for what they consider to be. The next fights against transmission against tech frontier and in the end their goal is the entire shutdown of our energy industry. It's important to remember who the victim of this all has been who has been victimized by liberal inaction. It's the farmer who can't get their green tomorrow. It's the small business owners who can't get their shipments. In time. It's the homeowners who may face trouble getting their home heating for the winter. It's the workers facing layoffs and the ultimate victims are the wet sweat and members themselves looking for prosperity for their children. Mr Student Speaker Conservatives have been calling for common sense and appropriate recommendations to and these illegal blockades we've called on the liberal government to enforce the rule of law. What we were expecting today was some sort of an announcement about a plan. That would put an end to these illegal blockades concert or present recommendations conservatives have been bringing commonsense and appropriate recommendations to end these illegal blockades literally nothing now. Let me be clear Mr Speaker every single Katie and has the right to free speech. Everyone has right to say their piece. Regardless how much we may agree or disagree but nobody and I mean nobody has the right to hold our economy hostage Mr Nason. Everyone has the right to their regardless of how my tweet me agrees disagree with a message and nobody has the right to hold. Our economy hostage is our country are illegal and it's time the government stepped in and did something about that on this side of the House. We stand with the farmers on this side of the staff hosts we stand with commuters on this side of the house. We stand with workers facing layoffs. We stand with everyday hard working Canadians. Most importantly on this side of the House we stand in solidarity with the wet suit. Wet and people we stand in solidarity with the elected we stand in solidarity with the majority of Freddie chiefs from the West wet and first nation who recognize that these types of projects and investments are the only way to lift first nations Canadians in out of poverty. Give them hope and opportunity and give the next generation of Digital Canadians. The same quality of life that everyone else in this country. This is a special edition of the current. My Name's Matt Galloway. That was Andrew Scheer leader of the Conservative Party responding in the House of Commons to the Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Who addressed the house in wake of the ongoing disputes? The pipeline protests the blockades across this country under shear as you heard not impressed with what the prime minister had to say Chris Hall Our National Affairs Editor. Host of the House has been listening Chris. Good Morning Good Morning. What do you make of what the Prime Minister said In his remarks. There's a lot of anticipation has to perhaps what he might say. What do you make of what he did say yeah? I think there was an expectation that he would set out some kind of timetable as we heard from Andrew Scheer the conservative leader at least some kind of plan to ensure that discussions continue to take place with The crown an indigenous Relations Minister Carolyn Bennett. What we heard instead was a recitation of where the government has placed itself over the last week. Or so. That is it. This will take dialogue. It will take time. It was an appeal to Canadians for patients and a recognition by the government that in order to solve these kinds of disputes. The blockades concerns the wet sohan attain have placed over the coastal gasoline pipeline has to be done in the larger context of Reconciliation Mark Miller. The Indigenous Services Minister has said that this is a national crisis. The Prime Minister himself faced a lot of heat while he was abroad for not being closer to home ultimately cancelled a trip to Barbados. What's at stake for him here a lot as you heard him say? It's a critical moment for the country. They're increasing At newspaper editorials and commentary around the need for leadership around why this is being allowed to to extend the way it has. We know that there are farmers who were concerned. A Cup about getting grain shipments for example to poured into market. There are concerns. Computers are expressing About being able to travel to work. And there's obviously the shutdown of a large part of the via rail network. So there isn't a sense that there is I think across the country that there's a sense of impatience growing But the prime minister clearly not willing to act precipitously wants to involve dialogue continue discussions to see if there's a way to resolve this without obviously sending in police or anyone else. He used that word dialogue. In addition to words like trust and respect to talk about how this story could move forward Is there the sense that the government has any idea how this will resolve itself? Yeah it's an interesting question. I listened to some some first nations chiefs period Belgarde national chief of the Assembly of first nations and several a Mohawk chiefs. Also saying talk to us because it seemed to them Some of them saying that is not clear what the government wants to do what they understand what they need to do to able to resolve These differences and clearly the protests are not confined to a single area like the wet soican. territory in British Columbia spread right across the country Protest pop up here and then there's obviously the long now. Ten Day long protest and blockade Entendu Naga outside of Belleville Ontario. So Yes I think there's a sense here that There is not a clear direction yet. The government is prepared to talk and believes that the best solution but has no proposals at this stage. It seems to put forward. Perry Belgarde National Chief of the Assembly first nations was speaking with reporters alongside several other Indigenous leaders this morning. Let's have a listen to some of what he said. We say we want to de-escalate we want dialogue and I say our people are taking action because he wants to see action and when they see positive action by the key players when they see a commitment to real dialogue dress. This difficult situation people will respond in a positive way. Their requests they made was simple three requests. Rcmp to be out their traditional territories in Canada. We've got the Ontario you got the S Q in Quebec police forces but we also have our tribal police alternatives. That can be looked at. They've also asked the game that the industry industry players look at options and they should be prepared to look at options to requests. The third request is the formalization of the process with the crown. And as I understand it. There is a request for meetings into formalized process. And I ask once. That process is formalized that people give time for that process to bear fruit positive discussions. I also want to say that in this day and age though when we start talking about reconciliation we cannot give up on each other. We cannot give up on peaceful coexistence and mutual respect. We cannot give up on reconciliation. It is the pathway forward as Perry Belgarde national chief of the Assembly of First Nations Chris Hall Andrew Scheer responded forcefully to what the prime minister said and it was interesting. Even before Mr Sheer stood up to speak there was heckling. That was happening in the House and the speaker had to calm things down. That's right yeah. We wouldn't expect that normally when you're giving a speech like this on an issue as important as as obviously the ongoing concerns about the whatsoever in protests and what they've met you don't generally get heckling but I think that's a sign of the impatience. At least the Conservatives had I I was struck by Andrew Scheer I hate to use expression doubling down but he was criticized heavily last week for for using radical activists. We heard him say I think six or seven times again today that he would use the police to to end these blockades We do know during the idle. No more movement. When Stephen Harper to conservative was was prime minister that they didn't send in the military or police to deal with the concerns that were being shown through protests at that time near Sarnia Ontario so I I was struck to Matt just because of the way framed discussion around there are people involved in the protests who aren't indigenous who are appropriating and indigenous agenda. He said and most importantly he talked about this particular dispute being a warm up for tech frontier. Which is proposing a big open Oil Sands Project in northern Alberta for the Trans Mountain pipeline which is currently being built a second expansion of that line so Clearly they see this as a real an ongoing threat to the energy sector and he wanted a specific time line. Andrew shared as to when this going to end yes he wanted a plan set to and and frankly you know in some some cases to give to give some perspective here. This has been going on for the better part of a week. The Prime Minister of course was overseas in Africa Drumming up support for our UN Security Council bid while ministers? Were keeping abreast of things. We didn't hear from him in the same way during the course of that week as we did for example when they ran shut down the Ukrainian airline with so many Canadians on board. So I think there was a reasonable expectation. From a lot of people that there would be some kind of timetable. Senator or a plan which we we obviously didn't here except for the commitment to resume dialogue and to acknowledge that the problems that have led to. This didn't just happen overnight. They are long standing concerns of indigenous communities. Chris come back to you in just a moment. Chris Hall is our National Affairs Editor and the host of the house or Hera is a reporter with. Cbs's indigenous unit has been covering. The story was present their entire NATO. When the Indigenous Services Minister Mark Miller met with members of the Mohawk of time over the weekend? He's with me here in our studio in Toronto. Good morning to you. Good Morning What. Do you think people that you met with over the weekend. The people in time to Negga. What were they looking for from the Prime Minister this morning? I think what it for them. What this all comes down to is. What's going on with Wet Suit and and The RCMP president presence there in that meeting between the minister and Mohawk representatives the issue of the Whitsun came up and also had a phone call from one of the hereditary chiefs from getting them That said that the RCMP still has detachment there and It poses a threat to his people's ability to you know do their traditional practices to hunt and trap and that's really their position all hinges on not so and and it's I think it's important to serve strip this situation down two points right now. I think what's happening on ten in Asia and you know we're we're going to head a week. I think tomorrow that they've had those rails shut down. Now they're not putting anything across dot real line but they're right next to and they said they don't want trains through and what happens with a wet suit and and the the request for the RCMP. To leave. And I think for for the federal government is a sort of a difficult spot because you also have a clock ticking down with an injunction antenna. Negga as well in the. Up All have already said last week that they are going to enforce seven. Junctions without clock is ticking. And then you know these talks that have been set up With the hereditary chiefs in in one of their wits with a wet suit in one of their ask is for the compete to withdraw but the RCMP. There is under contract with the BBC government. So there's a lot of different parts to this and not everybody has jurisdiction over. What everybody else does. I think you know what we're what is what we heard today from The prime minister is a signal that there's a desire to find a way out of this through talking and not signal is going to be heard on the ground by both sides but does any of this move forward while the RCMP's still the ground. There I don't think so. I think that's the shot is the thing. If you want any sort of movement they are needs to leave. Its position writer. Yes that would that would move the Mohawks antenna and I think that what they're doing is probably the the strongest position is out there. I mean you do have these pop up a protest they come and go but you know there there and they've been there for almost two weeks and they are doing that in support of the wetsuit in on that one. Ask and if that happens than they've said that you know then would be it but until that happens. They're seeing their moving Hora. Harare is a reporter with CBS's indigenous unit. He has been covering this story of the blockades particularly entire today which is near. Belleville Ontario He there when the Indigenous Services Minister Mark Miller met with members of the Mohawk time to go over the weekend. This is a special edition of the current. My Name's Matt Galloway. We are following the story as it continues to unfold in the House of Commons and right across this country coast to coast to coast. My Name's Galley special edition of the current. Chris Hall has been listening in as well. We have Hora Harare reporter with CBS's indigenous unit. We keep hearing this word dialogue and it's being passed around. We heard it in the House of Commons. We've heard as you've been saying in the discussions At tined anger. What does that word actually mean? And how much talking can you do before? There's some sort of action at the end of that. Talk Okay and just to clarify. I arrived intended Nigga. I I was there. I've been there since last Monday but I I left and came back after Miller had been there So I was in there specifically when he was there and also meeting with the the the Mohawk was. The the media was was kept out but in terms of of talking. I mean the. There's there's clocks that are taking around this. So yes you know dialogue does help but because you have interior superior court you know extending the injunction and Superior Court in the hearing last Friday you know made reference to the fact that this injunction had yet been enforced and now we're going into two weeks and you you have the economic pressure from the the rail shutdown This is you know. Time time is slipping away In terms of finding finding a way out of this because there's so many different pressures that are being applied to this. I think there is a lot of visor on what happens in ten in Asia and there's a lot of is happening with what Soden and those are the two points that I think are going to determine the in the in the short term where this thing goes but it is good. The minister did has has an open channel With the Mohawk antenna these things at the press conference that we heard today. That was a lot that was the the first nations band. She's the longhouses are in support of the wetsuit and this is the traditional garment for the Iroquois and the band leadership that was there has very little influence over the events that are happening. They've also said Clinton protesters should stand down that their points in some ways has been made And that's why you need to give space for that dialogue. But their their words have limited impact on the ground in terms of what's happening in Tennessee. Just important to mention me. That's what they're saying when they were there on the platform with a parallel the chief of the assembly of first nations. Yeah and they also you know they were also you know they also pointed out that you know but but at the same time you know. There's concern about with what's happened sooner. But what what they say does have limited a limited impact Because this is this is driven By people who don't necessarily acknowledge ban councils because of the draw there are thirty from the Union act or Berra is reporter was. Cbs's indigenous unit. Chris Hall is our National Affairs Editor here at. Cbc host of the House as well What is the if there are two two point Chris? If there was no clear time line at lined by the prime minister but clock is ticking. How long can this go on? Yes an interesting question. Obviously there are injunctions have been been ordered both in British Columbia and Ontario. And it's up to the people who got that. Coastal gasoline can one situation the interior Government in another it depends on whether they instruct an ask the police to to begin to enforce that and I don't know how much longer necessarily they are prepared to wait. There does seem to be acknowledgment. That talking this through is a preference is the preferential approach at this particular time. You mentioned Dialogue Matt. There's also a lot of talk about rule of law and that has some Some various meanings. To whose law are we talking? We're talking about the law on the territory of the Soetanto. Are we talking about common law and we heard Perry belgarde assembly of first nations grand national chief trying to draw distinction there? There isn't a clear consensus among some of the first nations and indigenous groups about What their own laws and traditions would would say about this. In the end I think to the basic question you're asking is the most important one. Is there more time to be had there? And how much longer are people prepared to wait before they begin to ask the police? To enforce those injunctions will in part because of the economic pressures That Rail blockade may lead to. We've been hearing that not just from the opposition but from People in various industries across the country. Not The least of which people via rail as you mentioned shutting down its service. Although it looks like it's going begin running some trains Towards the end of this week But we're hearing that. Perhaps there are some supplies that are not getting across the country and that's leading to concerns in various countries various communities across the country. If you take a look at the economic pressures what does that mean for that time like yeah this is. This is a difficult balance to strike. There are propane shipments that are being delayed and some people who aren't providing essential services with the propane will not get that their deliveries potentially starting later this week. Their concerns about oxygen for For hospitals concerns about graingrowers getting. They're getting paid because they're suffer sitting in trains are sitting in In silos can't be moved so these are all the issues versus. If you act in haste if you act right away in a precipitous way that potentially these protests will continue to pop up around the country and there is the potential for for a more sort of dynamic and potentially violent confrontation with people. So I think the Prime Minister and certainly we heard from the various elected band council member. That was referring to appealing for calm leading the talk in the dialogue. Continue at least for the next little while to see if some kind of resolution can be brought but as you said when when there are the economics are not good and when people are beginning to lose their livelihood and concerns about critical supplies being held up. It makes it very difficult to see how much longer that can happen. Hi Guys it's me tie pool and I'm back and I have way more questions. Things like what are animal saying to each other. Why Space. Oh Dr What's the science behind this season? I'm willing to go where no seventh-grader has ever gone before to find you the answers and rest your eyes and prepare your ears for all new episodes of tie. Why Greg McConnell says the President Superior Propane? It's Canada's only national provider of portable fuels deliver locally customers. Greg morning to you good morning. What did you want to hear from the Prime Minister this morning? Well I was hoping to hear that we would have An action plan that would involve certainly dialogue but would would would lead to a speedy resolution of these Interruptions in the rail service and my main concern is really on behalf of our thousands of customers across communities across the country and in particular in central and Eastern Canada. Who are reliant on the propane distribution system to be able to provide heating and essential services in their community impact. What impact has the blockade or the blockades had on The fuel that you're able to deliver well essentially shut down If you look at Say Quebec and Atlantic Canada. Seventy five percent of the fuel that comes into those provinces comes from the West End Bhai Railcar and that is essentially. Shut down at this point so in those in those communities where you would be supplying Propane what's happening there. Well we are doing our best to redirect in and bring on additional transportation. But there's there's a very limited number of Propane equipped transportation vehicles and a limited amount of capacity to load propane at some of the key distribution points and that will just not make up for that kind of a loss of real capacity. And so my my concern is I realized that this is a protracted complicated issue to resolve and Certainly the prime minister and our elected officials have a difficult job. But if this delay Takes more than a few days. We're going to see serious and critical running out of customers and that's something that we're working night and day to To supplement but But I think it's important that people understand the impact of the kind of disruption that we're seeing took supply system and so in the maritime for example where people might depend on propane to heat their homes. Were in midwinter. Now when you say serious serious impact on your ability to deliver that fuel. What does that mean for people's home heating? Well that means that we're going to be Putting in constraints to try to Focus on critical Heating Applications as best we can. We'll start to short deliver so we'll only put a little bit in each tank and try to make it last as long as we can but that can only happen for so long and I would estimate that within the next week if we don't see a resumption of rail traffic that not not just superior but many many propane suppliers across the eastern Canada will be in a dire situation and we'll be in a situation where customers could run out of propane and literally their their pipes would freeze greg. Thank you thank you Greg. Mcadams President of superior propane. This is a special edition of the current. My Name's Matt Galloway. We're speaking but the prime minister who addressed the House of Commons earlier this morning. In just the last hour speaking about the rail blockades and the pipeline protests that have spread across this country There were some expectations. Perhaps that he would offer a more precise time. Line in terms of when those blockades he would like to see them come down and he did not do that. Much to the anger of Andrew. Scheer the leader of the Conservative Party. Rust Ivo is kind of walking. Mohawk indigenous policy analyst editor of the First Nation Strategic Bulletin. Russ Good morning to you. Good morning what were you hoping to hear from the Prime Minister. Well I think like others. Who spokesman Already on your program I wanted to hear the prime minister. Say what concrete steps going to take to resolve the situation what the whatsoever because you know the RCMP assault on them is what triggered to support actions across the country including in the more community and You know I have heard that Minister Bennett has has been out there. Nbc meeting with the wetsuit. And but you know they seem to be keeping that under undercover. What's going on there I still think that the prime minister the deputy prime minister should have been the ones going there to accelerate a resolution of the situation up there by talking directly nation-to-nation to nation promised to do when given given that the prime minister didn't offer that specific timeline but but spoke more in the big picture speaking about this as pastime for the situation to be resolved. Talked about the importance of of trust and dialogue. And respect are you encouraged. More broadly as to where this might be going that that the prime minister is focusing on talking not focusing on on action at least right yet. Not Really. We've we've heard platitudes from the prime minister for the last four years. Like I said about reconciliation nation-to-nation decolonization. He's co-opted a lot of the terminology but as as people seeing he says one thing and does another and I think he raised expectations. And like I said I think he. He has a lot to do with this because he didn't address the land issue in his first mandate and A lot of the people expected him to do that and they. They didn't so when the situation with what's happened you know with them. Being removed from their territory With with the police That that reverberated across the country because many people Share the same feeling that you know the LANDRACE ISSUES. That are unresolved centered. The elected first. Nations chiefs gave a press conference before the prime minister spoke The national chief of the Assembly of first nations parallel guard was among them. Some of them were asking for an end to the blockade. Others were not some were saying. That's the time for this. Blockade maybe have passed and that there is an opportunity. It's not a sign of of defeat but a sign that you step back and let dialogue. Move forward what was your reaction to that. Well you know. I wasn't surprised. I mean the prime minister did say yesterday. He caught somebody digits leaders and obviously I think the ones who are the press conference for some of the ones he called the Mohawk band council chiefs and the AF EN leader Perryville guard but they represent the Indiana system in India neck system in the band offices across the country. The chief councils You know are are controlled in a form of direct rule indirect rule by by Ottawa. And they certainly won't have any influence on the people taking the actions on the ground they kept using the term blockade protesters you know those teams and and you know people take offense to that. Because they say their land defenders and they're not Blockades in fact in time to Nager there beside the track. They're not onto track so in and a lot of ways. They're kind of perpetuating some of the myths going around but I don't think it's going to help even grand chief Serge Simon while he was an honored during that press conference. There was a group of community members. Padlocked is band office and we're protesting in front. Saying he does speak for them. There were strong words from Andrea. Sherr as well leader of the Conservative Party. He said that the Canadian economy in his words has been held hostage and again as Chris Hall was saying double down on his comments about those involved in the protests saying that they had been appropriating and indigenous agenda. What do you make of interferes it? Well I think there was a responsible comments and but you know it's typical of opposition leaders. They can they can say all kinds of things because they're not in in power You know I still believe that. Yudo government one thing. I agree with him on his that. they're talking but it has to take more than talk they have to take action and resolve You know the getting the police out and the cost of gasoline workers out of territory and find out another way to re-route that pipeline. If they don't do that I think You don't you're GonNa see this situation continue. And if they try to use force. I think you'll see the tactics change. What do you mean cross the country it? Well I I think people aren't just going to be sitting there waiting for the police and just arrested. They're probably going to start. You know doing other actions Where the move around in any case It will prolong it. I think and like I say there is a danger for you know Human and financial cost to increase if that starts to happen. But to your point that there isn't really and this isn't gonNA mentioned as well. There isn't really the opportunity for movement unless the RCMP. Move Out of the territory and coastal gasoline needs to rethink their pipeline. They're coordinating with the white suit and Hereditary chiefs if there were wetsuit and hereditary chiefs. Ask them you know okay. We've got into police out you know that's it and they asked people to To stand down then they will but otherwise. I don't think they're going to do it. They're certainly not going to do it. Listening to Van Council Chiefs. What about just finally. We heard from Propane Industry and trying to get its product across the country. And he's worried that there are people in the maritimes who could end up frozen pipes no heat because of What's happening right now? How are how are interpreting that element of of this conversation because there are a lot of people who have a rising sense? I suppose a frustration as this continues. Well I think it's regrettable but again I think it has to rest at the feet of the prime minister because he's the one that didn't deal with this thing for the first four years in office and he let it languish and now now it's coming back to bite him because he didn't address and he could accelerate that right he could go their today jet over there today and sit down and they could have a meeting in sort this out within hours if they If they had the political will but I don't sense that the political will is there because it would mean they'd have to change the position. They've been taking on indigenous issues because he's indigenous rights framework was rejected In two thousand eighteen by most of the chiefs across the country that's why he didn't introduce that rights recognition bill into parliament that he was planning on doing and he has an address that yet he's been focusing on programs. Not Rights. I I. It's good to speak with you. Thank you thank you. Indigenous policy analyst and editor of the first nations strategic bowls and Chris Hall is our National Affairs Editor Chris Hall. Why hasn't the prime minister jumped on a plane and head out to British Columbia to meet with the hereditary chiefs? Yeah that is a curious A not an oversight but it's curiousity hasn't at least Ensured that Carolyn Bennett. The indigenous Crown Relations Minister isn't in BC. Right now willing to meet at any time. With what Soden. I suspect in part Matters that you can't you can't Acknowledge The the blockades and and and and then reward people by having a meeting. I think that part of the advice that he's getting on the other hand it really does come down to listening. Russ was just saying Who TAKES THE FIRST STEP? Here is withdrawing the federal government by ensuring that the RCMP or withdrawn. Is it by offering to meet and setting a timetable for those discussions to take place or is it from the first nations groups and other saying? Stop the blockades withdraw the blockades and we can have a conversation. So I think for one. One cents is probably. He's getting conflicting advice of what he needs to do. At this point he said that this was a critical moments not only for the country but presumably for his government as well. Just how much pressure does the Prime Minister Prime Minister who came into office talking about that nation to nation relationship talking about reconciliation. How much pressure does this moment? Put Him under particularly I think. He's under enormous pressure and he acknowledged that today. It's a critical moment for the country. But as you said when he talked about and stressed the importance of the nation to nation relationship. He's made reconciliation dealing with issues on first nations in first nations communities like the lack of affordable housing Lack of drinkable water. All of these things. He's put forward and tried to advance. So if there is a prolonged protests. Like we've already begun to see. It makes it more difficult. I suspect to make that argument to the rest of the country On the other hand if you don't continue to listen and to work into say that you understand that these aren't momentary events but are built on the fact that there has been a difficult path towards trying to negotiate land claims detriot acknowledge the first nations and indigenous communities role in this country That you also lose their face so it's a very difficult line. He now has to want Jagmeet. Singh leader of the EP was also speaking in the House of Commons and criticize the prime minister's leadership. Let's have a listen. There's a lot of people that are worried about whether or not they're going to be able to make ends meet because of the impacts but I'm thinking about the people at the blockade who are standing up because they are so frustrated. They're so angry and their right to be angry. This is a serious crisis that we're faced with but sadly the reality is a prime minister has let a lot of those people down. Let's look at the record right now. What is going on in our country? We've got a human rights tribunal decision that found that the government didn't just underfund or discriminate indigenous kids but they did so recklessly willfully purposefully on top of that that insult this government is taking those kids to court should meet saying leader of the EPA speaking in the House of Commons. Chris Hall The premiers in Ontario and Quebec and in stronger language in Alberta and British Columbia. Spoken out against these blockades Andrew. Scheer perhaps picking up on some of that calling them illegal blockade saying that these are radical activists and demanding that there is a strong action taken to Remove those blockades. This is a political issue. And I'm sure to your point about conflicting Advice the government is listening to Canadians and doing some polling as well. Where's your sense as to how Canadians are On this issue you know. It's an interesting I I I I did some interviews last week for a column that I wrote and I think there was a sense that I got from people that They understand. Reconciliations is a long term process. And they believe that it is time to address some of the equity that people from first nations face on a daily basis At the same time I I get the sense now. Listening to reporters who are covering the story Out of town the NIGGA and other places that there is a growing frustration to that. This is now dragging out. There doesn't seem to be a timetable for either getting that dialogue going to ensure that the issues that are being raised her address and then at the same time making sure. The tracks aren't blocked in that people can go about their daily business. So we've heard this from Jagmeet Singh on one side saying there's a failure of the government to act on fundamental issues facing indigenous people on the Conservatives and Andrew. Scheer saying they're holding the economy hostage. There is sympathy. I'm sure for both of those positions and the Liberals as they are wants to do matter trying I think to find that ground trying to accommodate both sides of the argument while showing that they can actually make some progress and get this dispute result or Harare reporter was CBS's indigenous unit is with me here in our Toronto Studio. We make of what rest ibew had to say that if this isn't resolved Through dialogue that we could see escalation and Next chapter in this as as it continues to unfold. I think to answer that question. I'm going to jump back in time. A little bit to two thousand fifteen when the Government Operation Center hush from which is under public safety actually produced a report a Risk Assessment. On what would happen if rated a UNICEF UNICEF Stoughton Campbell nuanced clan of the wet suit. And and he did a risk assessment because a point in time Transcanada the that was what they recalled them was looking was considering an injunction because that Stoughton camp had been there since two thousand ten and they were blocking their workers so the risk assessment actually concluded that if there was a raid to enforce injunction there the the the requirements from the federal resources from the federal side would be limited. They figured that you know the PC shampoo would could be able to handle that situation and that assessment sort of came true Last year after the first raid but that assessment is completely falling apart now. What are the chances of you know? That's that's you know. That's that's a tough question to answer because a lot of there's a lot of variables involved. I guess what's interesting is you seeing now protests across the country and that this was about pipeline and now it seems to be about two to Russ's point and to your point much more than that. There's much more that's on the table. That's being discussed as as this continues not to be resolved there. There's a possibility that if if there is enforcement in ten P. P. Go in there is a possibility that there could be reaction in other in other Mohawk communities maybe other parts of the country this is. This is the thing about what's happening. Is that everything sort of interconnected and the most August example of that is the connection between ten in Asia and what suit in the fact that they are in Communication. And that you know the position you know they. They launched their their their auction on the same day that the RCMP began their operations in. What's who so there. There's a lot of communication going on Between nations between people a lot of people are watching them. You know we just. Mpri there was a demonstration along. You know the the bridge there that connects to New Brunswick. You know don't forget. In two thousand thirteen we saw months long demonstrations against fracking by the magma. So in terms of how how? How can this get? You know it's hard. It's hard to tell but right now it seems that there's a lot of vapors in the air and and it it could ignite in ways that are hard to predict. What's the way out of this? Do you think that I mean that's also a very very difficult question? I mean I know the the you know the way out. According to the people who are on the lines is for the impeach to withdraw from whatsoever in territory. I mean that's one of three astronauts wouldn't have put on the table. So is that possible? You know what would it take? What would people be happy with the P saying that they are going to implement a an extraction plant withdrawal? Plan step-by-step because the issue that that's there is that there's an injunction that exists. They've been there since last year. So there's this sort of belief or a requirement that you know. Maybe they have to make ensure that the injunction is followed You know there's some nervousness about a renewed you know protests or actions to block coastal gasoline. So that's that's that's in play there there. There are more it's cliche but there are multiple moving parts. But you know there are certain points that stick out in in the one is the RCMP being. They're they're done their operations but they still have a presence and the impact that has on what happens in Asia and whether if they're happy with with any results with Sudan hurts her she said you know what we. I think it's time I think we got what we need than that. You know scales down and maybe that has an impact on other actions. Hora Harare is a report receives indigenous unit. This is a special edition of the current. I'm Matt Galloway and we are speaking about. The prime minister spoke about earlier this morning. In the House of Commons he was speaking about the ongoing pipeline protests and the blockades across this country. Here's a little bit of what the Prime Minister had to say. People are troubled by what they've been. Witnessing this past week they know that these protests are serious that this is a critical moment for our country and for our future on all sides. People are upset and frustrated because this is about things that matter rights and livelihoods the rule of law and our democracy. What we are facing was not created overnight. It was not created because we have embarked upon a path of reconciliation recently in our history. It is because for too long in our history. We failed to do so so finding the solution will not be simple. We'll take determination hard work and cooperation. There is no relationship more important Canada than the one with indigenous peoples and today as prime minister once again formerly extending my hand in partnership and trust we need to resolve this through dialogue and mutual respect to the whatsoever and Mohawk nations and indigenous leaders across the country. We are listening. We are not asking the stop standing up for your communities your rights and for what you believe. We only ask that you be willing to work with the federal government as a partner in finding solutions. We cannot resolve this balloon just like we need indigenous leaders to be partners. We also need Canadians just to show both resolve and collaboration. What is the alternative? Do we want to become a country? Irreconcilable differences for people talk but refused to listen and Prime Minister. Speaking in the House of Commons earlier. This hour Chris Hall National Affairs Editor Host of the House. And the remaining minute or so that we have How much time does the Prime Minister have to Resolve this? I don't think he has a lot of time now. We heard from a lot of people who are concerned about. Having supplies interrupted passengers. Who are growing impatient with and travel and disappointed with what he said is well yeah. It's a good question I it's a feedback is probably going to come a little bit more fully in the next couple of hours or so but I think people were looking for some kind of timetable. Some kind of outreach. To ensure that this could end the blockades that exist in time the outside Belleville and in other parts of the country and they probably will be disappointed that they didn't hear that all they heard was a commitment to continue to talk. And at this point after ten days of blockades in Ontario for example and it continued issues around British Columbia with the Port in Halifax support Everyone might be wondering when it's all going to end Chris all good to have you with us this morning. Thanks Matt Chris Paul National Affairs editor host of the House. It's interesting in hearing the reaction from people coast to coast what they were expecting from the prime minister. Of course we heard as well from Andrew. Scheer a leader of the Conservative Party. We also heard from the leader of the MVP in the Bloc Quebecois. All of whom were expecting Chris was saying perhaps some more detailed time. Line in terms of reaction to these blockades and a greater sense as to how they would be addressed in a meaningful way. What exactly will the prime minister do next whereas government going to go? We've been hearing from the Indigenous Services Minister who has been saying that the opportunity for dialogue continues people calling on not just the prime minister but the deputy prime minister to meet directly with those hereditary chiefs in northern British Columbia South. We'll keep you posted on that this is CBC Radio One. Muslims Matt Galloway Break Day for more. Cbc PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.
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"Welcome to this week's episode of Blue Sky Strategy Groups Canadian. podcast what you need to know about this week in Canadian politics. I'm Alison Fair and associate at Blue Sky Strategy Group and joining me this week. Vice President Nieto Brody and Consultants Cameron Holzer Research and Hussein shores rate eight that election over and with the result that most predicted trudeau remains prime minister in a minority parliament. So now the question is how will it all work. I want your thoughts guys. Are we going to see the government fall in a year. What what do you think? And what do you think Trudeau will able to do about his platforms that he brought through the campaign. Let's start with you well. First of all All parties know that means don't want to go back to the polls anytime soon And the Liberals they have enough dance partners in the House to get legislation passed and continued government for a while I on the list for for for Andrew. Scheer is Getting together critics list shadow cabinet and with twenty three new members of his caucus that Mary not be an enviable both houses but he should have Have some good candidates to pick from. Do you think we'll see a lot of the similar faces in the same roles. They were last parliament. There'll be some there'll be some turnover Obviously Lisa rate is gone. The deputy Deputy leader So there will be some turnover in in the in the shadow cabinet But there there's a core of experienced parliamentarians there who will get the vast majority of posts. Let me go on that. Sorry to interrupt but Lisa rate you you think. Fill a role do you guys think any suggestions of WHO's been elected I if he wants to if Mr wants to go hard on the on on the On the government he can pick one of his Usual bulldogs And I mean that in the nicest possible way either Pierre polly of or Candice Bergen again a Iron Fist and develop glove or Or the other lady from Alberta. Whose name escapes me at the Michelle Ripple Michelle? Thank you very much He Oh you mean here's a here's a list of competent senior people who can put narrow cam. What do you think? The minority parliament will work. I'm kind kind of curious with the tones willing to be because it's been ten years since we've done this and I think the situations are different this time. Obviously having the liberals in with the plurality of seats as time mix a little different than Neil said angry the liberals have more natural dance partners. I think the thing that's going to be interesting here is the dynamic between the Liberals on the MVP but also what the block does in all of this because You Francois Blanchette the block leaders made it pretty clear. He's not here to make candy work but he has to parliament work and he's said time and time again he doesn't see why this couldn't go for years. I think that's extremely ambitious for minority parliament. But I can easily see this past two because there's a lot of issues where things line line up I think the question's GonNa be is. How does the government decide to approach this? Do they take a more conciliatory tone. Like we heard from the prime minister on Wednesday or does he take Acre. More combative tone. Like be Kinda hurt on Monday night. I'm hoping it's more towards a conciliatory. 'cause ours I think there could be a lot could get done. I know there's been a lot of comparisons made in nineteen seventy two and that minority and I think they're I think those those are actually pretty apt in this case. A lot got done in that parliament in those years. I think there's a lot of possible linemen here on things. Like Pharma Care on indigenous rights on on environment. There's a lot there and honestly I would not be the least bit surprised to see if the conservative side with the government on certain things like on energy development and whatnot. I think it all depends on how the government decides to play their car. Well who said a couple of points that can made their The agenda and getting along with people he said definitely. He heard Canadians in his His address on Wednesday but he also said that number one it was his priorities. Affordability and climate change How will that all work out? In this government we're going to really c measures of affordability and climate climate change. Work I think so I think so I I agree with Cam that you know. It's not GonNa last four years absolutely not I don't. I don't think any minority would ever last that long But it will certainly go over a couple of years I think Justin Trudeau the PM would be very happy that he doesn't have to have coalition government He has a very. Are we strong minority where he can essentially go case by case just like the Harper minority ear out where he can work on certain legislation with with the block so in your to go back to your question on climate ability I think the The Liberal Party's platform resonates quite a lot with the P on Cernan Cernan Certain aspects of affordability and climate change not obviously word for word so. I think that there will be certain. Legislation that can be passed because They're quite quite similar in their approach. but they do contrast on a lot of things but I think The PM will also be happy because you know this. This minority government gives less ammunition emme nation to the conservatives who basically said look. It's going to be a coalition government. The numbers are very close to form a coalition government and Digest. He's going to go up and all that kind of stuff so I think there's something to work with for the PM to ensure that there's going to be stability in the in the months to come and one land one final thing. We'll stay on. This is that The reason reason why could last a while is because You know the PM wants to please Quebec as well so he will work with the Concern on certain policies. Um I'm he will work with certain policies as well so we could. We could eventually see a minority extending above couple of years and actually at the same time achieving certain legislation. The one thing. I'll add that to loosen. I agree what you said. The one thing to keep in mind is that frankly a minimum two point three. The party's house simply can't afford to risk an election right now now they don't have the resources the MVP broke the block is broke. The Greens are broke. They can't afford to trigger election early and they're already going to be having worked very hard to try to get to pay off debts and do all of that and typically they have a four year period of do it. Now you're talking about not knowing how long you're going to have while the same time time so having to keep your organization ramped up to be ready for an election in case it comes so I'd only and EPA you would typically see the party in a majority draw down their their staff in year one and two you and then ramp back up while they just can't do that. So I think that also and we saw that in the Harper your that really plays and everyone's calculus but how far they can push their agenda or not and works on the other side too you know and this is going to carry see how the prime minister is going to how he's GonNa play this and how he's GonNa go about it if he's going to really use to his advantage other people's financial actual situation or is he going to kind of leave tickets foot off that pedal and decided to work more. Collaboratively Neil you're shaking your head along uh-huh agreement with me turn off the lights in here. I agree a little bit with with Cam but in addition to it probably separate and aside for the money is electoral fortunes. You don't collapse minority government unless you think. Your party has a chance of winning the next election so the longer National polls and specific writing regional polls show that the Liberals and the Conservatives are neck and neck for popular support across the country the longer this This government will survive. There's no sense pulling the plug and going back to an election if you can wind up with the same sort of results Next time and of course that goes for the liberals to if they feel like their their fortunes are increasing. They can go to the polls but but a minority government To go back to your original social question Alison. There's GonNa put a CRIMP in the way that Mr Trudeau operates He and his government are gonNA he has his. MP's are going to be tied to the House of Commons. There have to be there every day. There have to be managing votes and managing the the agenda of the House to make sure that irregardless of whether there are our conference votes in the House if they lose a vote in the House of Commons they have to then explain to their party. Supporters why the house wouldn't support a liberal agenda And it'll be a huge A huge shift for Mr Trudeau and and his people to actively manage a minority already house. When for the last four years? He's been able to leave the House of Commons whenever he wants and go campaigning. Whenever he wants another shoe's on the other foot Mr Sheer Mister Mr you're seeing Can go campaigning. While the Houses on but Mr Trudeau estimate sure government stays the same is true for committee management's well not in the cups a whole new universe of possibilities where the government will have a real hard time controlling their agenda where of course in the Jordy you have free rein at the totally different universe there and a lot of things can creep up in committees. That are unexpected. A lot of a lot of good stuff can come from a minority but at the same time a lot of shenanigans can come out of there too in this in this situation so it just opens up a Pandora's box of what it can happen right now and it's going to be a lot for this group to navigate. Well you say shenanigans there and that kind of plays into what I was thinking is that we talked about tone and what it was a nasty campaign for many many thought it was. Some people didn't but are we going to see a conciliatory Friendliness in the House of Commons or is this just going to get real. Well we have a minority government situation. WHO said I don't think it was the nastiest campaign of all time? I think it was certainly nasty nasty type of campaign. A lot of people wanted to have I think Canadians one. I mean among my friends with people. I have spoken to about this election. A lot of people told me that you know they would have preferred more more discussion on policy. Concrete Measures Not Videos from fifteen years ago ten years ago things from the past and all that so I think that absolutely this was one of Of of of a Nastier campaign. I think the tone won't change going into the House of Commons Right after the cabinet is selected. I think we'll see a bit more of that a bit more mudslinging on that front And you know the the tone of this election was essentially set right at eye even before the rig dropped I think during the summer A Lot Industry was coming out with claims. Justin Trudeau was attacking. The Conservative Party. the election started way back in June But going forward into this minority the government. I think we'll see a bit more of that. And I think the reason why is because a lot of part majority of the parties during this election losers. A lot of the party's loss seed The Conservatives wanted to have a Mitch only two parties lawsuits as the MVP in the liberals everyone else gained seats. So the only losers were the liberals and the EP disease. It's true so well honestly I think the thing that to thoughts on this first off. I think the tone of the campaign was nasty because frankly I think the tone of the elector was kind of nasty. I think people are afraid right. Now we're seeing coming for from our fellow citizens West Right now. There's a lot of tension out there and a lot of people are worried about their their our jobs our livelihood. They're the future communities. We saw it in Quebec around bill. Twenty one and that whole debate. I think that I think that a while. Our politicians to a degree guested had to say nasty things and do nasty things I think part of it though was a reflection of what they were getting from the people on the ground. And that's not laying blame it where we're rat and so when we get to the house. My whole by sincere hope is that we're able to lower the temperature a little bit. I'm just wondering how much that's going to be able to happen. When necessarily everyone's in that same frame of mind and I is this a place where there are leaders can lead and maybe lower the temperature? That's my hope when it comes to the tone of the the House I mean the one thing we need to remember I know we always especially not okay. Let's talk about the permanent campaign and how it really never stops. Well minority you are in the permanent campaign. It doesn't stop. Stop because in theory you could be off the polls the next day so you have to constantly be on that war footing ready to go and it could be hard to lay off and I I think that becomes the get into the make it to be but the problem is is that that's where your stature starting point right now and it's Kinda hard to lay off and Co and take a step back on on that that being said honestly. I'm sincerely hoping that some people don't look to their better angels decide. We need to drive remains down a little bit but I think some of the pressures on the outside might be a little too great for that to happen As an aside. I think this is working very interesting to see how the block comes in on this because in the last parliament I found the block members to be extremely aggressive on identity issues on things of that nature and I guess what they what they they. Basically road built twenty one into the house it wasn't separation it was nationalism that brought him in this time and my worry is that are they going to really try to flog that horse until it's good and dead. And what happens in the meantime while they do it create harmony in the House of Commons when it comes returns five leaders that can wasn't yeah creating harmony or normalizing tone between parties rests at the foot of Mr Trudeau He's the prime minister our He has spent four years plus the campaign campaigning against Doug Ford and Jason Kennedy and all the oil lobbyists that support those were his messages. Seven days he's ago to the to the Canadian public So the the tone that's going to be set in the the House of Commons is going to be the tone set by Mr Trudeau than if he chooses to You know pro. Little bit of water in his wine and take a higher road I think that will do wonders for the Hosa Commons If he chooses as counter to continue continue on a campaign footing because the next election could come in as little as two years I think he's going to continue his veiled Messages to who certain portions of the population that do not vote for him and and he'll continue his divisive negative polarization of the Canadian political spectrum. Let's hope that doesn't happen Cam. We've got a cabinet swearing in November twentieth. Well I I would hope that we see the house called back relatively quickly. I'm thinking we're going and you see the house at least for a couple of weeks before Christmas. Get a throne speech done get sworn in the communities up and running so when the house comes back at the end of January things were able the kind of start off and get going. But I think it's going to be interesting. What's in that throne speech? How it gets Kerr how it gets crafted? It'll be interesting to see I. The the prime minister mentioned. WHO's GonNa sit down with all all party leaders and Mike and that throne speech will give them some very clear indications as to which way he's GonNa try to govern this minority is going to be trying to basically uh-huh sit down with one party and agree on certain things upfront and here they are or they're going to take a little bit from everybody and try to force somebody into that vote? I think that will set the tone for the whole parliament after that and I honestly it's a good chance and I agree with you on their sense. The campaign was visit. The prime minister's language two degrees divisive Andrew Andrew Scheer said divisive things even Jagmeet. Singh said some things that I know he took back in the campaign but they were said nonetheless and Elizabeth May said to this things everyone had their moments. My I hope would be that. The prime minister would look on this moment as a chance to try to really say a unity government but the idea of how many good ideas can you take from. Everyone that allows people people to be able to support this thing going forward cutting. That'd be a good first step in when really go a long way to sitting at home because let's face after they leave they're gone for six eight weeks and that that means that total is sit out there for a couple months while people are already going through a lot. I don't think that'll serve us well in all going to the he's going to twenty twenty so that's my sincere. Hope is that he comes back with a with a throne speech that helps him meet as many of his of his objections of possible but allows the others as well. Some take some good ideas from everyone and allows everyone to be able to support this thing going forward meal your thoughts Even before a cabinet sworn in on the lead up to that Mr Trudeau must find a way to have albertans scratch gotcha representative in his government. saying that. He will in his post-election talk on Wednesday. I think it was. He said he was going to be the representative For albertans Scotch one in his government that he would go out and talk to people and he would be the representative. I don't think Anybody are you. West of Lake Superior will will accept that They need people at the cabinet table. Who are all Burton's who are schedule on the neons You can't turn around and four years back for years of bashing Westerners and the oil and gas sector by saying I'm going to be now now the voice for Western Ontario Western Canada Appointing somebody a private citizen like Anne McLellan to cabinet who e I would argue as a less partisan partisan liberal Because she's been the loop for a long time would be a good step If he really wanted to overstretch he could appoint somebody like Brad Wall Wall to cabinet Although I can't see that happening floating around this morning is Not Hague. Nancy Minimum Calgary mayor. Well that's not gonNA help Westerners at at all I with with all due respect him that that's not gonNA help Westerns at all And the other thing that I see after a cabinet being sworn in And thrown speeches. I expect Mr Mr Sheer to get out of Ottawa and travelled to Quebec and the maritimes into us a lesser degree to Montreal itself and try to itself and find out y the messaging for the Conservative Party didn't resonate in those regions Hussein. I leave the last word to you on this. I'M GONNA go with the gentleman have been saying essentially is that You know after the cabinet sworn in we have a throne speech. I think this is a moment for the prime minister to To shine and bring back sunny ways into a campaign after campaign which we saw bad weather other But you know look. He's the prime minister he is. You know he has a leadership role here where he he will dictate the tune in parliament and I think he he knows wasted responsibility. Draw too many conclusions from his conference. Press conference a few days ago but you know he took the day off on Tuesday You know gathered his starts made some phone calls to premieres across Canada. Get their ideas on what moving forward look like so the next day he had a more conciliatory Tone to his messaging. So hopefully he carries that forward Into the new Into the new parliament and like Like Neil said I think the biggest challenge for PM Justin Trudeau is representation. L. Burns's catch when You know names throwing around. I don't necessarily agree with those names. I you think that you know. He does need a strong voice from Alberta into his cabinet. Who can't does resonate with these people and their point of US 'cause bottom line that's not a policy issues? It's more of an ideology geology issue. where it's it's deeper than just a pipeline right? There's more to this than just that so he definitely needs someone who understands that The understands understands the people on the ground there And he and you know people have been saying that you know it might be senator appointed cabinet and all that and this is a pm who championed independence and an appointments right so. I don't think he will go towards that I think he will need to be a bit more creative in that. I think that's why he's taking his time to really gather support Among certain people on the ground out in west and convince people So we'll see. I think these are exciting times. They they think minority government really brings exciting times into politics especially for Politicos then majority governments where it's a bit stale and business. You think minority government is really where I think. A A lot of political leaders will shine and we'll see a lot of hopefully good things come out. Let's hope so. So Neil Cam. Who sent thank you? That was a lot of fun today. 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The Rees-Mogg conga: how has the pandemic changed parliament?
"Today the House of Commons Conga how parliament almost modernized, but couldn't quite make it stick. A! It's obviously incredibly beautiful. Victorian gothic place, but the further you go into it, and all the kind of magic disappears. It is kind of labyrinth. Fine. That's corridors love which are not very white toll most the lifts absolutely tiny. Even you have three people in. You need to kind of squeeze against them. Basically apart from a troop coaches, probably Britain's worst place smelled socially distance. The Guardians Political correspondent Peter Walker is talking about the houses of parliament where he's normally based as a journalist when he first arrived there in two thousand and sixteen. It was quite a culture shock I. Mean I've not been to a boarding school is what I would imagine a slightly kind of grand down on his luck British boarding school from about nineteen fifty five would look. All these kind of strange rules that you don't know you've broken until someone mentions the certain ways you can go to journalist. Certain routes allowed to go to. It's very very odd. You have on one corner a policeman with a very big gun, and then to me to Stanford them. Someone sitting in the glass box, wearing basically white times this. Incredibly Strange Mixture of the incredibly archaic, reasonably new. All crammed into this mouse infested crumbling five trap of a building. The British parliament has always been a place the valley's tradition. But when covid nineteen struck, things had to change. The rapid spread of the disease in Westminster had to be met with an uncharacteristically response from the parliamentary authorities. Suddenly after decades of resistance, MP's debating remotely. I'm voting electronically. Enter Jacob rees-mogg. Obvious that people in Parliament need to come back to work for for the business of this house to work properly. From The Guardian. I'm initially Astana. Today focus why parliament modernize. Tell me how voting normally works in Parliament Furton. Nobody works again. In this archaic way. There's this bells start to ring throughout the parliamentary building which means that any. Who are not entertained with most into, go their. Members cramming corridor. And then speak shots. And the process. Carries on from that Nostra few minutes. That's shout to look at all. And then this is kind of hubbub of voices have six hundred Asia pack into either side of the movies, and depending on which side they would they get tallied off and then there's a physical count. It's not quick. In the sense that in Britain if you're waiting for crucial vote. It's probably fifty minutes per vote and they've never had a system for remote voting. I mean they've had a system. Where an MP copy be Dan will pay so if MP has to be somewhere else in the Taurean people's missive. But it's again. It's just this traditional parliamentary thing, but the expectation is parliament sits. They kind of dash down from their office. Vote, which for some is less easy than for others I remember when Ken Clark was an MP. He couldn't walk to quickly his staff. Would always you know saying whenever the first BELCO Walk? When Kevin Hat with a specific worries about how it could keep working? Probably Parliament and Westminster was the biggest covet hotspot in Britain at the time I would have thought I mean I caught it from their own imagine a quarter from there I had I presume his covert about eight or nine weeks ago. The pope with parliament is you have a lot of people working very very close proximity to each other. There's not nearly enough room for six hundred and fifty people to pack in, but the problem is to the MP's always meeting other people. There's always constituents coming in. That's representative groups coming in, and then on Thursday night, obviously parliament pack up and the six hundred fifty people plus members staff. Dispersed parts of the country, so parliament almost couldn't be designed better as a way to kind of spread a virus. So, what did they do to solve that problem? Initially there was no parliament sitting tool, but obviously amid such terrible crisis. That was quite difficult thing to do. Order. Yesterday the hosts agreed to emotion to a low members to participate virtually in proceedings of the House, the I die in seven hundred years of history of the House of Commons, so they set up this kind of virtual problems they. Opened up parliamentary building and allowed up to fifty M to sit in the comments at any time to the first hybrid, sitting of the House of Commons. Zoo System where they installed lots of screens in the Commons, so MP's who were unable unwilling to be that. Could speak, and they be seen in hurt in the chains on the on the screens Mr Speaker welcome to world warning and thank you again. It wasn't perfect because they were under the capacity to have a maximum one hundred twenty speaking anyone time which be fifty Mexican chain can about seventy calling in, and initially it was only really useful things like promises, questions questions to medicine Safai that and there's no way to scrutinize legislation or to vote. But then after a couple of weeks introduced diverting system. Where MP's not, there were able to vote, and the were couple of teething troubles in the first vote, a few conservative MP's voted against the government and had to quickey on twitter and said that she didn't mean to do that. But in general, they kind of were recently well, particularly given wasn't really anything else that could be done was running a position to. That war, some conservative MP's particularly keen, but the main thing was that people just wanted. I think to try it out because the idea of having no scrutiny of the government. Amidst the biggest public health crisis, possibly any crisis for decades wasn't really a kind of tenable thing, and the was holdings evening press conferences, but it meant opposition. MP's and even kind of disgruntle conservative. MP's couldn't do anything. How will was the hybrid system running after been any technical issues? There's been a few technical issues you. took. Held the secretary commit the most of that question to line. Go Down Secretary of State. misfit sanctuary. Any of that. As been probably more technically. He's in the Lord's little. Little. I'm used. Started with their own system, they tried to use Microsoft teams, which is a different kind of video conferencing shouldn't work quite so well and also without wishing to stereotype. The Lord's the demographic. Older legit. Of Client Kaci they seem to struggle attack a tiny bit your your on the off the beauties. Be On mooted. Out before the virtual parliament kind of was introduced, there were all these guidelines. The MP's were told that backdrop. Should be kind of neutral. The should be wearing a suit. They should up inner shorts, not show or not. Quite interesting, what the backdrop impeach chose in Blackford. The SNP leader completely ignored the rules about black back to the had this incredibly cluttered backdrop seemed to be full of signed footballs and shirts. Goodness knows what else. I think anything that shows as being people is not necessarily a bad thing. Labour's Harriet Harman is known as the mother of the House of Commons because she's the longest serving female MP. Over nearly forty years, she's been trying to edge. Forward into the modern age, so it was definitely quite weird when overnight she and colleagues were suddenly being live streamed into the chamber from home. I'm voting electronically. Bearing in mind, the parliament is so slow to change, and you can't even get mobile phone signal import callous house half the time, the idea that we could actually vote remotely or debate remotely or asked ministers questions remote I thought that it would never happen, and I've been really astonished and pleasantly surprise, but I think the other thing that has really changed with the remote operation of parliament is it's weirdly changed the balance of power between fronton backbenches, because if you think of prime minister's Question Time normally the promise isn't from the reasonably able to point six billion laying down books. The government's been doing surrounded by a roaring load of backbenchers rolling in his support. And then. At some point, some anonymous backbencher will get up and bobby like micro dot on the TV and ask a question. You won't even necessarily be able to hear the question properly I. Think we'll have a little bit more silence on the second players. And that's been changed by the remote operation of parliament. Because when somebody is asking a question of the prime minister in PM's cues in the remote voting system, they have the whole TV screen to themselves on Cue Mr Speaker, the hospitality and tourism businesses of my constituency of fluid sides of vital for the health of its local economy of which a very good example is the clan Goslin steam railway they. They are as big a picture, if not bigger than the prime minister armed off, the crisis is over. Would he please Humboldt one of the steam trains when he is next in Klang Goslin also nobody shouting them down, because they can't actually hear anybody and they also that questions with much more force and lucidity I think well the prime minister I need to extend the job retention scheme in Scotland. Scotland Document and parliament gene a law unnecessary. That the questions to the prime minister have been much better way, you see people asking from their own constituency does my girlfriend's meritless and when the custos Clinton, would he visit? I'm sure the coast is always clear on Eastbourne I. I will do my utmost to get soon as I can within the. Social distancing rules that we must. Observe in you know they're in north. Wales or they're in tyneside, and you get the sense of the six hundred and fifty different constituencies. That MP's beaming in from. That's interesting although I imagine whether it's in Wales or Scotland or northern. England is still looking at bookshelves most of the time. Somehow you know that bookshelf is in Cardiff. You know there's something about it when you came on the screaming to straddle Oh. That's her house and Parliament is really not about Westminster is about the six hundred fifty constituencies. We heard from Harriet Harman who had been skeptical about this at the star. A essentially felt that it were incredibly well I'm would like to keep it in place. Why are other MP's in such a rush to get back to business as usual? The main impetus came from the government. Particularly the leader of the comments. Jake agree smog who basically announced that? After the Whitsun recess which has just gone, virtual parliament would end, and the calms needed to come back. We have to recognize if we persist with the present arrangements, it will become harder to make progress in a timely fashion. Why did they think it was so urgent for voting? Jacob Reese rees-mogg argument was. Should set an example to the rest of the country, so he saying market workers. Have to work in the same thing across the country, people are going back to work. The lady mentioned schools. How can we look teachers in our constituencies in the are where we're asking them to go back to unware saying that we're not willing to. The government's guidance is very much. Working personally, if there's no other way you can of soup, market, work, each stacking shelves or things out. There is nothing else you can do. The MP's had system which was imperfect, but to show that they had worked. No one's ever really been able to satisfactorily explain to me why the MP's Niki back and I think that's one of the reasons which has angered many people. What about other aspects of parliament like? Select Committees, but also the other part of the legislative process there were committees going know normally you have like three or four every single day that have been committed which sat later kind of mass zoom, which again is not perfect. The one of the things that rees-mogg is accessible. Legislation's been very very to do. We have a legislative agenda to get through. We made commitments to the British. People in December to get bill through parliament with because when a bill goes the Commons as the various reasons, this committee stage to. And that's not really gone particularly well in the moment, but you know the whole legislative framework is not basically function particularly well, since anyway. Okay, so those were Jacob Reese marks arguments. What essentially was his proposal for parliament to return? The proposal was to basically. All the virtual parts of it so end the attendance by zoo of and in the virtual boating. And the if you wanted to participate in culminated in any way, you had to physically be there, which obviously for a lot of MP's older or potentially shielding at carriages was fanny, bad news, bad news and undemocratic, according to many affected including the conservative M P, robot health, and who called it morally. Act is doing is in essence making us all parliamentary UNIX. There's absolutely no reason why you can't have a hyper system where MP's can't come in can be able to vote online, or the government wants to push ahead so. Tell me what happened on June the second. This was the day when parliament had a chance to vote. What type of voting system at wanted and the government for his own motion to continue with this kind of physical parliament? The only way that people could. Physically vote without cramming into the Lopez was the have this physically distance folks which was described by some pieces. The worst Alton Towers Q. Ever. Condemning with spending often standing outside, quoting one by one like a cue that goes on for over a kilometer. Up kind of lone lined of railings to show people where to go, and it snakes almost all the way through parliament, the MP's were interview for about forty five minutes that was at one point, acute insecure, and basically twitter became this kind of endless tolerant of him, please. tweeting that were really really really this kind of reason. Sunny warm days it being cold tipping down with rain. Worse and Cody Bahir Dar. Total waste of time and don't understand why. The government can't accent the online voting words and Had To file past the counting desk and to announce their name like sullenly. Write down what the name was. That prove quite difficult. There's certain number of empty arrived at the wrong side best told. They, wrote Yes side and said no Stephen. Took about fifty five minutes per vote, which is not renew viable. Democracy and then to CAST A. Wearing Mass Russ removed them to speak. Many touch the dispatch boxes. They passed. Of course, there's some evidence that covid nineteen survives on hard surfaces for hours perhaps even days. How an earth even with the system! Can they keep the chamber safe? It's an incredible thing. And they had to clean the desk sweat. The MP's will past amazing. It feels criminal to be disinfecting historic furniture. I'm sure once consideration architects sees me. He's going to tell me off. And then he had the spectacle a day later. Where Alex Chama the Business Minister became very obvious. LSU's talking Commons sweating, and not feeling very well, the Institute of Directors, the CBI the British Chambers of commerce and turned that he didn't I cody. Send off the coach test, and so the House of Commons Chamber. If you give them this coming deep clean. and. The important thing to remember is this is not just employees that if you have 'em pizza, you have to have awful of other stuff that you have to have the office staff. You have to have security police. You have the catering staff. You have the cleaners and the PCs Union which is one. The represents a lot of the kind of rank and file staff what? Is Basically. Saying is incredibly incredibly dangerous place and in parliament. The lower paid jobs tend to be disproportionately done by black minority ethnic people who obviously that are comes covered that much worse, so the pieces union are really really worried about this. In terms of who voted for and against this even conservative, MP's who seemed to be complaining about it went for, and there is a political point isn't my hair because? Conservative MP's have higher representation in the South, Labor MP's will tend to come that big for the SMP. MP's further again, and of course those from northern. Ireland another challenge completely. Even in the sense of if you're a MP represents like Scottish area than physically getting into parliament is incredibly difficult because traveling whilst winter to. Search. The distance is not easy. You know you can't fly, so there's a lot of MP's from more. Distant areas were not very keen on making that journey twice a week. And again it goes back towards saying early that the way parliament works is almost this kind of. Petrie dish for spreading the virus around the country. So if there is another outbreak in the comments, then by the time people realize that it might be weekend might have six hundred fifty and piece. In a socially distance why spreading around the country? the government is absolutely determined. The MP's returned parliament. This episode has been a bit embarrassing them while they have refused to change the rules to accommodate those with further to travel, they have conceded that anyone shielding can nominate colleague to vote for them, and they do want to avoid a repeat of the so-called Conga, so they're trying to devise a system that would still require politicians to go to the lobbies, but allow them to electrically when they get back to speed things up. Harriet Harman didn't go to the vote because she's almost seventy and her husband. Labor MP Jack Dromey as older than. Watching from afar was in some ways symbolic of the difficulties. She's faced in trying to modernize parliament ever since she got back. When I first arrived, that was October nineteen eighty two, so that's a long long time ago and I mean it really wows gentleman's club. It was the old boys network and I was one of any ten labor women. To be a young woman going in with offensive to a lot of the older men who they felt that women should be their wives at home cooking, and looking after the children I was somehow breaking with that and not behaving too coarsely in some ways, things have changed the law. What chains delicacy with a baby in the Chamber? Now the minister says he wants to see a huge change even in recent years in some ways I think parliament fails as old fashioned as it used to. You must have had some difficult experiences given that you had three children while you're in this job. My goodness me, that is like leaps and bounds of Progress I. Remember when I had my first child, and came back to vote obviously far too soon after I had him, and reported to the sergeant at arms, for apparently going through the deficient lobby with my baby tucked onto my coat, and of course I would know of dead. Bring my baby and tucked onto my coat. I was trying to pretend I haven't even got any children in order to try and fifteen and seem as if I was a proper MP. The sad thing was the reason why they thought I had a baby under. My coat is because it was so soon after I'd had the baby. I still was carrying all my baby weight. It was miserable to be accused of breaking the rules. When you had just because you'd actually come back far too early. The whole thing's terrible. Nowadays, the young ones coming in quite rightly know that they are elected by their constituents to get up there to blaze a trail to do a job to speak up for them, so the culture has completely transformed, the culture may have transformed, but it does feel as if every step change to the process is a massive struggle for example. I've heard them talk about remote voting for many years, but Never seem like a real possibility oh. Yes, well, you might have heard people talking about remote voting into Schubert Trust me. Nobody was planning to to it. They were planning to absolutely resist it. Till the last moment was like heresy when I was arguing for proxy voting for women who are on maternity, leave and men on paternity leave. We acted as MP's to vote in this house. An MP's having babies shouldn't lose that right we'll. She gives us the opportunity to vote on the procedure committee draft motion on proxy voting. That was the first time the idea was that you could cast your vote, but not be there and it. That was absolutely resisted. Is. Overdue, it was. Bringing the pillars of the temple down, but actually wants it was agreed. It worked really smoothly and everybody believed that they'd supported all along. Coming up? Why wait parliament change. Peter all of this sounds frankly ridiculous was making changes to the way. Parliament works so difficult. No, one really knows I. Mean it's just a very very traditional place and hurry communist most people because she's been fighting this off forty years. And, it's fair to say that it is much better than it was, but it still you know. I'm slipping relative new competent on for years, and it still sometimes does seem quite all the way that it works i. mean even the traditional voting methods of pre- covid voting method. There's very very few parliaments which gets members to physically file through. Take the heiress like be counted. And it's not clear why a system of having like an ipad like device every seat when every office to get an piece to vote on wanted. It would work beyond the fact is just new. Ben Piece Dodge. He liked it. As well as paid, journalists are starting to return to Westminster or not only to give 'em pay standing in stupidly long queues. What has it been like reporting on Parliament during this period? It's been slightly odd much as I might kind of make fun of Western states, very very exciting place to work and a lot of the stories you get is just from bumping into MP's while queuing for coffee or things like that, but I think this is true of almost any workplace that a lot of the good work that takes place is kind of accidental thing, so you can. Still Texan peas ring the mafia need to do that, but it's not quite the same thing. Everyone's missing it. Has This period tour MP's anything. You think about the way they should be working. I hope it's talk some of them that taking care of vulnerable work colleagues is an important thing to do because one of the kind of very very resonant arguments, the people who want to keep provisional parliament going. How can parliament lecture the rest the country on how to treat people you know who shielding with disabilities when it is specifically, excluding were wasn't till the plans changed those MP's from taking part I think. A lot of MP's already know that because MP's quite well connected people, they speak constituents every single week. They understand a lot of problems. which take place around the country? I think coronavirus is shown away that parliament Karachi work better issue and why the? MP's can represent the people who elected to represent whilst not having to make pointless trips and. Even MP can represent their local people from where they live in terms of voting, take partisan debates, and that's a good thing. He said okay. Thank you very much, thank you. That's it for today. My thanks to Harriet, Harman and Peter Walker. This episode was produced by animal sound design was by Axel Kukuchi. The executive producers are not and Nicole Jackson. We'll. Be Back Tomorrow.
Boris Johnson faces Brexit revolt in parliament.
"Coming up on five minute news. Boris Johnson Faces Brexit revolt in. Nineteen states sued trump administration for weakening methane rules. And huge chunk of Greenland's ice cap breaks off. It's Tuesday September fifteen. I'm Anthony Davis. The European Union on Monday ramped up pressure on UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson to step back from breaking the brexit divorce treaty. Delaying a key decision on London's euro clearing justice. He faces a rebellion in the British parliament. The European Union says Johnson's plan would wreck trade talks and propelled the United Kingdom toward a messy brexit while former British leaders have warned that breaking the law is a step too far that will tarnish the country's image. The House of Commons will vote on moving the internal market bill which the EU has demanded London scrap by the end of the month two, its next amendment stage after a debate that Johnson will introduce. As Johnson prepared to try to persuade lawmakers that he's planned to explicitly break international law was worth supporting a derivatives industry source said the European Commission had delayed a decision on euro clearing. Johnson who has a majority of eighty in the lower house of parliament faces a growing revolt. All of Britain's living former prime ministers have expressed concern about his plan as have many senior figures in his Conservative Party. The leader of the opposition Labor party kissed Obama who is self isolating due to the corona virus said, he would oppose a bill that broke international law. Johnson's plan to explicitly break INS National Law has plunged brexit back into crisis less than four months before Britain is finally due to leave the e use orbit the end of a transition period and jeopardized trade talks. California, and nineteen other states on Monday filed a lawsuit challenging the trump administration's decision to weaken cubs on me faint emissions from the oil and gas industry saying the widespread West Coast wildfires should be a reminder of the dangers posed by climate change. Donald Trump visited California on Monday to be briefed about it's devastating wildfires while Democratic rival. Joe Biden gave a speech on the matter from Delaware bringing climate change to the forefront of the presidential message. Climate emergency is increasingly a public health emergency. The toll of the natural disaster we face from unprecedented wildfires is increasingly measured in human life. California. Attorney. General's Aviator Bukhara said in a statement announcing the lawsuit. How many wakeup calls to our nation's leaders need to take climate action. The lawsuit targets to policy amendments announced by the environmental protection. Agency in August but rollback methane emissions curbs on the oil and gas industry, and we can requirements for leak detection. Methane is many times more potent than carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas when released unburned into the atmosphere. Lawsuit Is California's fifty four, the trump administration to challenge rollbacks too key environmental protections. California. Has joined in the lawsuit by Nineteen Democrat states including rising oil and gas producer Newman. Mexico and four districts and municipalities trump who pulled the United States of the Paris accord on global warming because he thought it looked too costly despite not reading the agreement has made it a priority to boost domestic drilling industry by slashing regulations. Democrats. Have said that climate change plays a role in the fires and Biden has announced a plan to transition the United States away from fossil fuels to fight global warming. An enormous chunk of Greenland's ice cap has broken off in the fawn northeastern Arctic development that scientists say is evidence of rapid climate change. The glossiest section that broke off is forty two point, three square miles. It came off Fjord, which is roughly fifty miles long and twelve miles wide. The National Geological Survey of Denmark Greenland said yesterday, the glacier is at. The end of the northeastern greenland ice stream where it flows off the land into the ocean and you will end of melt season changes for the architects largest ice shelf in northeast greenland a measured by optical satellite imagery. The survey known as g e US said, it shows that the areas ice losses for the past two years each exceeded nineteen square miles. The Ice Shell has lost a hundred and sixty square miles an area nearly twice that of Manhattan in New York, since one, thousand, nine, hundred, thousand, nine, another massive chunk of vital see isis fallen into the ocean said Greenpeace spokeswoman Laura. Melo it was aboard the organization ship on sunrise the edge of the sea ice. This is yet another alarm bell being rung by the climate crisis in a rapidly heating optic in August. A study showed that Greenland lost a record amount of ice during an extra one, thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen with the melts massive enough to cover California in more than four feet of water. You can subscribe to five minute news on Youtube with your preferred podcast APP ask your smart speaker or enable five minute news is your Amazon Alexa Flash briefing skill. Please subscribe rate and review us at five minute. 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June 17: He shoots, but he doesn't score
"I told the court. To Use One small man. GIANT WHEEL But I do wish say official that I'm wrong person right now. UNCOVER, season seven. Dead Wrong. Killed tipple it. Be. Available on CBC, listen and wherever. You get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello. I'm Carol off and I'm Chris Ouden. This is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight shoots, but he doesn't score. The TUDO government's pushed to join the United Nations security. Council has been a bust. We asked a former Canadian U. N. representative. Why a friend of the Egyptian activist Sarah Agasi remembers the night. They dared to raise pride flag at a Cairo concert, and the terrible price that was then exacted on her life calls to action and reaction. An accusation of racism got one party leader kicked out of the House of Commons today. This comes as Parliament's black caucus urges quick action. Action on systemic bias will hear from the liberal NPR who heads that group giving it a shot. The NBA sets up an elaborate plan to restart the season including one hundred thirteen pages worth of anti covid protocols new charges in a closely watched case, the Atlanta police officer who shot and killed Rashard Brooks is charged with felony murder and ten other crimes and airstrip in two thousand and eight. German travel agency introduced charter flights for people who preferred to on fasten their belts before fastening their seat belts. When it came to planes filled with new travelers, our guest politely took a pass on a boarding pass as happens the Wednesday edition radio that flies without the seat of its pants. Canada won't be joining the United Nations. Security Council after all the Trudeau government had made securing one of two temporary seats, one of its top foreign policy priorities, but the countries of the world voted today, and decided to send Norway in Ireland to the high table. Instead Canada also lost a bid for a seat at the Security Council in two thousand ten under Stephen Harper. Jeremy Kinsman is a former deputy permanent representative for Canada at the United Nations. We reached him in Victoria BC. Kinsman let this defeat. Say about Canada's position on the world stage I don't think it says a lot about that capital of Canada. In those surveys of what country is the most admired? Where would you like to live? We're always up there at the top. with Germany actually and nothing's changed that everybody still likes Canadians. We're still good. Guys and Gals what it says is that we overreached on this particular exercise? We came in late. Against two of the most popular countries in the world who had been accepted as nominees of our group because we changed our government and we thought they thought would be a good way to show her back. Some of US said look you. Don't show your back by saying you're back your show. You're back by doing stuff puts you back. And maybe we didn't do enough of that. Why was it so important to the to the Liberals to get the seat? I think they like brands. You know I don't WanNa. Be dismissive and I know everybody hates the guy who says I told you so I with humility. I I speak Carol, but I. I I think they like brands and I think you know. There's some real tough heavy lifting to do the UN system. It's difficult. Somebody's got organize How in the world the third? World is going to meet US enormous debt load as a result. The cove at all of those things are tough. But running for an election well, we you know politicians know about that. We can run a great campaign. We got a great story to tell about Canada and. You know it betrays I'm afraid Perhaps a deficient understanding of of the complexity of our world, and that in diversity you know there are a Lotta countries out there. Who different stories look pretty good. Anyway. Anyway. That's what happened I. Think we got we asked. We have some basic weaknesses. In, the story Carol. I mean I think that our. I and I totally celebrate the way we manage the Kennedy US relationship over NAFTA, but we sure pulled punches. about trump in the United States and and perhaps that's wise. This is Justin's twenty one seconds of silence. You know but at the same time other people noticed and so there would have been a worry. WHAT'S THE VAT? Value added of of of another North American country. You know if we could have convince people. We were genuinely the other North America. Then, I think it might have carried, but we. We were reluctant to push that the matic of very very hard. You know another area where people believe that maybe Kaunda pulls its punches, and some are pointing to this large part of the reason is that Canada didn't didn't speak out against. Israel's plans for further annexation and that that was. Possibly a factor in the decision, not to give it to seat. I think so. We did vote. I think a few weeks ago On on that issue, right, but I think there was a general feeling. you know without pointing fingers fingers. Look. Let's. Let's you know we. We got counseling about how to suck up trump, and and you know this. Was Jared thing the son-in-law let's. Let's not get out in front here. You Know I. Think Probably Though was noticed yeah? Yeah of course Norway Look. Let's face it. Norway your way. The Slow Process for heaven's sake the the only really serious attempt. And and and and well built a peace plan. ever they. They own that issue, and and of course Ireland his always on human rights. But at the same time at the, Same time, the two government has continues to dine out on something that many liberals do which is the kind of pure Sonian view of Canada that this is the we. We invented peacekeeping, and that that was the same kind of idea that we have that as our cornerstone did not help at all. Negative Carl I mean in more recent times. We came back when Turtle One and two thousand fifteen. We said we were going to reinvent. Ourselves to it and we had a peacekeeping conference. And then when we were at commit hemmed and hawed about the helicopters, molly and we did we did a tour when they asked us the UN to do other where we said no, so you know. You can't. Your opponents say stuff like this about you. And and so it I'm afraid accounts. Okay? So where does what does the Tudo govern? Go from here since they consider this to be a cornerstone of their defense, the of their foreign policy, there are gonNA, be laying out! A big mistake and they were told that It's not a cornerstone. The cornerstone is what you did. What you do, and what you stand for what we stand for is pretty clear, and I have to say that Christopher, Freeland I and now Minister Champagne I've been working hard to create a solidarity group of like minded countries to reinforced and re reform multi-lateralism they started doing that occurs Krista did a couple of years ago a couple of summers ago and you know it's it's. It's gaining traction, and that's what we've gotTA keep doing. We gotta keep doing it and we gotta do it with countries like Ireland and Norway, because they're they're doing it to and and stop arrogating to ourselves some sort of A. Special Vocation it's shared by lots of countries, and and we have to you know. Find the right formulas to to solidify the architecture of a rules-based international order, and and and and do the rules more inclusively and and face up to the kind of. Arguments that we're GONNA have over that with those who have places privilege right now, and and of course that starts to some extent with the United States though I think that after the election it might be easier all right. We'll have to leave it there Mr. Kinsman! Thank you thank you Carol. Jeremy Kinsman is a former deputy permanent representative for Canada at the United Nations. We reached him in Victoria BC. Things got heated in the House of Commons today, it happened when MVP leader Jug meet sing introduced motion to recognize systemic racism within the RCMP. The House recognized that there is systemic racism in the RCMP. As several indigenous people have died at the hands of the RCMP in recent months and call on government to do the following review, the nearly ten million dollar per day RCMP budget ensure that the RCMP is truly accountable to the public release all RSVP incidents of Yousef reports and immediately launch a full review of the use of force by the including reviewing the tactics and the training that is given to our officers in dealing with the public. For the motion to pass it needed to be unanimous, but one MP objected the Bloc Quebecois Atlanta area, which prompted the MVP leader to call Mr Terry a racist. Here's one of Mr -Tarian speaking in translation. Everyone has the right to their opinion, but I do not believe that a leader of a party can hear treat another member of this. House. Call them racist because we don't approve motion that was just moved the end. EP unabashedly is treating the member of Laprairie as racist person, and this is unacceptable in this house. The MVP leader refuse to apologize and the speaker removed him from the Chamber for the rest of the day. This happened as the parliamentary black caucus is pushing for concrete reforms to address systemic racism Greg. Fergus is a liberal MP and the caucus chair. We reached him in Ottawa. This what do you make of what happened today in the House of Commons? It's unfortunate in so many different ways Carol first of all to motion, which I think should have received unanimous consent. There's almost had passed except when the member from Perea started to say no. The second unfortunate thing is that. Although you know maybe in our daily large, we might use choice words. When you're in the House of Commons, we're held to a harder standard. No matter how insensitive we make it. But. Can you appreciate that? Perhaps the passion with which Mr Sing was speaking comes from his own experiences as a politician experiencing racism particularly in Quebec when he was campaigning they're. Well. Certainly, that's a block politics myself from Quebec I certainly appreciate what he was trying to get at. It's actually we've been trying to get others block parliamentary. Caucus making sure that we address issues just as discrimination, and we take every step to combat it. and. You have just in another development you just today ago put out of the statement as a member of the the black caucus in parliament, you say in the statement that governments need to act immediately on systemic racism. There is no time or need for any further study and discussion. What is the message? You're trying to get out? But with with the statement we must have very clear. Buck Caucus has existed since twenty fifteen, so what we did over the last five years. You've been working very hard and lobbying the government to bring about changes. The government did. In the last mandate and done some great things from recognizing the decade of people asking descent UN motion to implementing measures to deal with to work towards this aggregate data meant the health issues because that's really good stuff. But we know that there's a lot more work to do. And when the bills grewal videos emerged three weeks ago. One after the other. We said look. That's it. We need to make sure that we move into action now because no one wants and I don't think any Canadian want. US to continue down that street with stomach discrimination. Poses Obstacles and barriers to people in frankly racism can kill, and this is what people have seen. This is why I can comedians not just talking but all. have been scandalised that said. Even folks referring I think to videos from the United, states but also those from Canada we have seen concerning indigenous people and treatment at the hands of police, and so your proposal, which you're recommending very much. Focusing on the justice reform, police proposals eliminating mandatory minimum sentences, alternative sentencing funding for diversion programs, but these are all things that the federal government that the Trudeau government promised that they would do. You are a member of that government. You are a liberal. Why hasn't this been delivered on? You know I can't change the past, but I certainly can influence the present and the future, and we felt as plot caucus that we needed to make sure that we speak clearly with this voice and frankly It seems that it's a moment that has come. Canadian especially a Canadian parliamentarian are very very happy to support this and agree with almost all of and and have signed onto. Making, an indication that we want to change just like Canadians would like okay, but the prime minister who is also the leader, the party that you are in the prime minister acknowledged your recommendations, but he is not committing to anything yet. Even though much of this are things that he promised he committed to even before the first mandate so I must be disappointed in that response. No, not at all actually 'cause. He's been an ally for half. He has come through on the things that we sought out largely for the things that we saw. In the first mandate and we're working towards. Continuing that work in the second mandate, is it perfect of course not perfect, but you know there's been a lot of progress made and I really feel that we move the ball down the field over the last five years. Okay, I think the push on this because you're calling diversity and senior ranks of the Public Service Mr Trudeau promise that five years ago when he was first elected, and that we've seen in recent CBC story, only four chiefs of staff to thirty seven ministers, people of Color so what is taking so long? Well I saw that number is up from one of started. So I've seen progressed. Do I seen all the programs I like to see of course but the point is is that we are moving it forward. Carolina? I understand entirely that frustration. We can always look at what we haven't done. But we also have to recognize that there's been for the first time. Recognize the existence of racism. No one's ever done that before. We've done that. We recognize the decades. We've made two years in a row investments in the federal budget. For commitments which are directed towards the black communities. and. Here's where I'll be critical is saying. That systemic discrimination existence all our institutions, and it's so hard to get people to really recognize that there's a problem and it really wasn't until that. Alignment of event that had happened three weeks ago that people finally said well wait a minute. Now, I'm seeing the world differently and. What I've been hearing before, but I just didn't believe now. I can actually see. Something's not right. I see and I feel that changes are going to be coming and I'm. Really proud of all the parliamentarians who signed on to to help us push this agenda. I mentioned all the parliamentarians who signed on and from different parties, not just liberals. Except the conservatives who say they were not part of these what they call disgusting Partisan Games They weren't invited to be a part of this. What do you say to the Conservatives about this? Well? When we decided that, we were going to seek out allies with just over the week after we'd finished writing this. Proposal Well one of the reasons why we chose not to go with conservative because that very weekend on social media, we all saw the clips of the leader of the opposition Mr here on within Solomon. Who asked him three talk? DOES SYSTEMIC RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY and. He didn't couldn't wouldn't answer that question. So. I'M NOT GONNA. Knock my head against the wall. I'm looking to move and move quickly. He's since sent by press release issued a press release saying that they they do recognize existence. Discrimination But if they want to, they still can sign up all right. The is out there. BIZZARE, listening and Mr Ferguson good to talk to you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much go by. Greg Fergus is a liberal MP and the chair of the Parliamentary Black Caucus. He was in Ottawa. Nine. That's what it sounded like in Toronto. A year ago as the raptors celebrated their first ever NBA title with a Championship parade for hours buses, carrying the basketball players made their way very slowly through the fan filled streets of the city's downtown. That feels very long ago now. Obviously covid nineteen put a halt to the season earlier this year, and since then the League has announced a plan to restart at the end of July, at Disneyworld in Florida near Orlando and now details. How exactly that's going to happen have been revealed a one hundred and thirteen page document tim. Reynolds has read it. He's a basketball writer for the Associated Press we reached him in Miami Florida. Tim is so. Is this for real this actually going to be at twenty twenty NBA season. It sounds like you're on. Because yes, you know, and it did not seem very likely at at one point during this hiatus that they were gonNA find a way, but. it does seem now that. The players are in the teams are in the League is in the protocols are set, and now it's just a matter of getting toward Orlando and and starting to get this thing going so now you have had a look at this document. The protocol one hundred thirteen pages. So, how does this strange season actually work? The the season itself I mean. They're going to reschedule a bunch of games. They're gonNA. Reschedule Eighty Eight. Games then they'll play a full playoff like normal, so the product that fans will see. is going to look largely the same except with nobody in the stands in arena that nobody will immediately recognize. It's all the things away from the game. Obviously have changed quite a bit. There's going to be an enormous amount of testing. There are incredibly strict rules protocols regulations as far as players not leaving the campus. As far as who can come into that campus can be around them. Social distancing masks hand sanitizing constantly all these things that we didn't really think about until three months ago. This is going to be very much the new normal in the NBA and win these Games resume. Thirty. You'll hear every squeak of every sneaker. You'll hear every conversation. It's going to be something that we have never experienced before in the NBA and I. Don't believe think I think players coaches. Fans media? I don't think any of us will really know until it happens. What is going to sound like what? It's GonNa feel like what it's GonNa look quite and if players are going to enjoy the way they've enjoyed the game, they played their whole lives decides to this being able to hear every every squeaky sneaker What will it look like they will? They're not going to be wearing. Guards or face masks right are there? Are there other things like that? Will Not be wearing face masks. There are some recommendations suggesting that coaches may want to wear them on the bench, and there will be two rows of benches, which is not uncommon. It's the way it's done in the NBA, but if you're in that second row, they're also recommending a face covering the war now players will not. Have to do that and and certainly nobody's GonNa be doing it either in games or practices, and that's been the way throughout, even even when the NBA allow teams to resume voluntary workouts in May, everybody's had to be in masks and gloves. Except the players they don't want. They know it's a very taxing thing to go through these workouts or to go through a game, so they're not gonNA make. Make the job of breathing any any harder on the players is necessary, but once they're away from the court wants her in social situations once around the campus once they're just if they're relaxing I. if they're just walking around I if if they're even playing cards with with with colleagues in the League or other teammates, they want all those social precautions taken, and those masks are going to be on. What's with the advising them to to not fiddle so much with their mouth guards? Because Saliva and the droplets and things of that nature if they get into the air, if there's another player in that face, if they get on the fingertips, there are still some players that that liquid their fingertips, because we weather for superstitious reasons, or they think it keeps their fingers moist. There are players like to rub the bottom of their sneakers before they take. Take a foul shot again. Some of these are habits that these guys have had for maybe ten or twenty years in some cases and I think a lot of ways might seem second nature, and that's what's going to make at least these first few days of games so interesting because I to think that there's going to be instances where players do these things. Jimmy Butler of the Miami Heat when he shoots a foul shot, he takes the mouthguard out of his mouth. And slides it into a socks, and then when he's done taking the free throw, he pulls it out of the stock back into his mouth. He goes. I don't think you'll be seeing things like that anymore, and you're going to see players. I think they're gonNA. See moments where it's GonNa be very awkward for them because there's a way. They've always done things that they simply can't do them anymore. So the this pandemic has affected the the NBA season, but so has another extremely large story that is going across your country and mine around the world, which is the issue of Anti Black Racism. Justice Issues There are players in the NBA who thinks that this shouldn't shouldn't happen. This season shouldn't happen that this is takes away from that discussion about what's happening in the in the issue of of justice and policing in your country. What do you say to that? What I say, that is kind of step two with what Michelle Roberts. WHO's the executive director of the national? Basketball Players Association told me earlier this week in that this is an incredible opportunity for players to. Make their views known on a very big stage. The the television ratings for these Games. are going to be enormous NBA. Playoffs are very popular anyway. We all know that the ratings for these Games when they're in theory won't be much else going on. We'll be even higher than usual and and I think it will give an opportunity for the players like Bron James, like like the Kyle lowry like Jimmy, Butler like a honest onto Cuco, all of the biggest stars in this game if they want to get a message out. Out about how societal changes so necessary right now, this is a great opportunity for them. We Kyrie Irving who is not going to be playing because of the season and the season ending injury. You know it's it's well known that he is one of the players who are saying you know what right now playing basketball distract from from the greater good of this movement, and how it's not a moment, a movement and how changes needed. I. Think there is. An abundance of players that respect hirees opinion, but don't necessarily agree with him, and that they believe the NBA has supported players in these matters for several years. Adam Silver the commissioner of the NBA is very open about his support. You players on this on this especially in these times specifically. I think players believe that going there and having the eyes of the basketball watching world on them is a great opportunity to get their message across loud and clear. We will leave it there. Tim I appreciate speaking with you. Thank you, thank you for having me. That was Associated Press. Basketball writer Tim Reynolds in Miami. told the court. Not. You. To. Use One small man. Giant wheel? But I do wish to say that it's official that I'm wrongfully person right now. Own Cover season seven. Dead Wrong. Tipple if the jets ninety nine. Available on CBC listen and wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keith Macarthur. Unlocking Bryson's brain is a podcast about my son. The rare disease that keeps him from walking or talking braces perfect, but his life is really hard, and our families search for a cure. Oh my Gosh! Maybe science is ready for this. It's part memoir part medical mystery. We do just about anything modifying DNA heart in my throat. Is. Unlocking Bryson's brain, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. It was supposed to be a moment of pure bliss, but after Sarah Hegazy raised a pride flag at a concert in Cairo. She ended up paying a terrible price. Ms Agasi an Egyptian lgbtq activists who sought asylum in Canada died by an apparent suicide this weekend. She was thirty years old. In the fall of two thousand seventeen MS Gazi was arrested by Egyptian authorities along with several other activists who had all attended that concert in Cairo and had waved. Rainbow Flags Ms Jazzy was tortured for three months behind bars. When she was released on bail, she fled to Canada but the trauma of her imprisonment and torture never left her. Med Allah was a friend of MS magazine. He was also arrested at that concert, and he too fled to Canada for safety. We reach Mr Ala in Toronto. Have made first of all. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Can you tell us how you met Sarah? This was in twenty seventeen. There was an even about the home violence. We're working to low that. Stops the home. Violence in Egypt right send Cairo's to protect people in Egypt. So I Miss Sarah and rediscussed all the situation about the domestic violence and about the society, and then we talked about lgbt community and then refilled. You have a lesson. Komen result meeting more lots. Knee became friends. And we became France exactly. There's a picture of her. which is so inspiring, people around the world have seen this, and that is a picture of Sarah Holding up a rainbow flag and She is just glowing. This is something that began the the problems that she had, but also says so much about her. What what was going on in that photo? There was an event for Michelle concerts. The insinger this This band is openly gays, so we decided to go on show sort of dirty and to say we are here. We are exist as ultra-easy community than we both threes, the rainbow flag and everything when I can The wrong way, we just opened our social media. We found out that the whole societies going in this us. We found out that the government is. Going to arrest us. Both of you were arrested. Yeah! We stayed in jail three months. Sarah Guitar from vanishing security and she went with us. saute confinement for more than two weeks. Sarah suffered a lot. Like the police officer told the other prisoners to harass Sarah anti-torture. intracity. Hits her a lot. She detailed. She was a different person like shoes Thurston. She was depressed. She went to a hospital to a treatment from this trauma. Sarah has killed two years ago two years ago by the by the Egyptian government by torturing Kerr and roosting here for no reason just for raising flick. It's nothing we didn't anyone. We didn't do any stuff. It's just a concert dancing. Raise the flag. At what point did you answer? Both realized you to leave Egypt and make your way to Canada. The society wasn't safe specific for Sarah because she's a woman. Any woman did something like it's nothing she might be coats. Conservative community, let this community that the might kill you for nothing, so she came to Canada. You also came to candidate. I saw an earlier interview. She did with the CBC about how she was feeling account. And what's so striking in that interview is how how she talks about her family, two siblings, and how how much she loved them how supportive they were and how much she misses them. How difficult was it for Sarah to come to Canada? Not have her family and friends around her. Was? The most difficult thing for Sarah have siblings or everything she got. Everything. She won't all all she wants shows joking about. I WANNA go back to Egypt Sarah Egypt's danger. You might airport. She saved, but I just WANNA. Be With my siblings. I wanted to go with them. Her mother has best away after she came to a month. So she was spending of time every day talking with them, facetime calls. Could you study? Did you eat? Your shores! Everything's okay. Do you need anything every day? She just wanted to live with them and to hug them and took care of them. The the most important thing for Sarah and the second thing is to change the world. She wanted loving beasts. That's Sushi was safe in Canada a certainly not happy. Exactly how is she doing in the time leading up to her death, choose trying to find the same circle that she in Egypt like. The same! Support. People choose just started participating in protesters to send people supporting the workers supporting the ultimate community supporting. The. Arab spring revolution the tour isn't enough for her. That didn't give her the the feeling that you WANNA. After wise, she just lift Tronto because it was difficult for her strongest, the very difficulty for any immigrants or near Fiji, she lifts former. Yell to find the piece Sean to Oshawa Part. She didn't find the YOU WANNA. I'm so sorry. In this in the years to come when you've had time to digest this, can I just ask? How will you remember your friend Halley remember sir? I remember Sarah. As the most for say, but used the most kindest person ever. The person will come. Forgive anyone for everything she she forgives for everything. The world have done to her. She forgive the world, but the world didn't forgive her like people in my country the still. Spreading hate message against Sarah against her family, agonises friends but Sarah, she stands for even for Islamic people and against torturing slimming people Egyptian prison. She stands up for them, but they don't even understand anything they don't. The other evil A. Lot of those messages, ugly ones from conservatives who are saying that, but Sarah but also so many other messages that show how how much Sarah was loved. And admired for her courage, and for her her struggle. They if if Sarah knows what happened in the world after she best will be happy. Sad was the most strong person she was standing up for everyone. Even if his the conservative religious Sarah doesn't care about anything you believe in just she always goes out the human. If you need, support will give you the support your neat, even if you hate me. We will are going to put that posts that picture that wonderful picture of her holding the flag and I i. really appreciate you telling us about Sarah. Thank you so much, thank you. Take, care. Met Allah was a close friend of Sarah. Higazy Egyptian LGBTQ activist who died this weekend and Canada of an apparent suicide. The Atlanta police officer who shot and killed. Racecard Brooks is being charged with felony murder as well as ten other crimes. Fulton County, District Attorney Paul Howard announced the warrant today along with new disturbing details about Mr Brooks's death, speaking to reporters Mister Howard revealed officer Garrett. Ralph kicked radar Brooks after shooting him. The DA also said the other officer who was present Devon. Brosnan is cooperating and has given testimony in the investigation. MR, Brosnan has been placed on administrative leave in is being charged with aggravated assault and other crimes, but the district attorney says it's the first time he remembers seeing an officer. Cooperate in this way. Chris Stewart an attorney for Rishaad Brooks. His wife to Meka. Miller says that brings some comfort in a difficult time. Even in dark times like this, you have to try and see the light. And the positivity of this situation is the courageousness of officer Brosnan to. Step forward and say what happened was wrong. It is officers like that WHO. Change Policy. And I know he'll probably catch all kind of problems and things like that, but if the courageousness of those type of officers that we love and support. Is To courageousness of. District attorneys that are going to do their job. And we were willing to accept whatever the findings were. But that's why people elect you do your job. That's why you become a police officer. Do What's right? so it's not a day of joy watching. The charges and What's going to happen to this officer because it shouldn't happen? So it's heartbreaking, but. It is. An attempt to redefine justice. Because like I said before. We don't have any idea what it is anymore in this world. And if this is what justice going to start, looking like officer, stepping forward to stop other officers, coming forward and helping, try and get a family. Who now has their father going? A justice. That we support it. I think everybody out there who? Is Supporting this family. And trying to change the world of policing for the better for everybody. Chris Stewart is an attorney for to Meka Miller her husband Ray Brooks was shot and killed by Atlanta. Police on June twelfth today, the Fulton County District Attorney announced announced charges against the officers involved. Bruce Willis is probably best known for playing police officer, John Maclean and the die movies, and the same can be said for Patrick Poi Vay. Mr Povey was one of the most recognizable and busy voice actors in France. Where audiences prefer to watch dubbed movies rather than subtitled ones. He was the voice of John Maclean, all the French versions of the diehard movies. He also voiced characters played by Tom. Cruise Bill Murray Don Johnson and Kevin Costner among many others Patrick Quasi died yesterday in France. He was seventy two here. He is alongside Bruce Willis in a scene from diehard. Mayday mayday, anyone copying channel. Nine terrorists have seized the NAKAGOMI building holding only thirty people hostage. I repeat unknown number of terrorists, six or more with autism. That Ketamine Plazas Anthony. It's the same address that fire signal. Attention whoever you are. This channels reserved for emergency calls only. Shopping. They. Have already killed one off isolated. Attacks He'd throw pussies job. Voices of Bruce Willis and Patrick Poiret, who provided the voice of John Maclean and the dubbed French version of the movie die hard. Patrick Pavane an actor who voiced Bruce Willis characters in the French version of seventy six different movies died yesterday in France, he was seventy two years old. In Olden Times people would go to a large building and stand around with strangers with suitcases in flip flops, inhaling each other's coffee, breath and sour yawns later we would file irritably onto an airplane together where we would marinade and all the excavations and odors of different strangers for hours at a time, and if you're wearing a mask, people would switch seats. Those days may never return which is bad enough for those of us who wore four layers so as not to have to check a bag, but worse for those of us who liked nothing more than chucking their Kerryon into the overhead compartment, taking off all their clothes and settling into watch several hours, worth of the Big Bang theory dubbed in German. These were the passengers who booked through a German travel agency called Aussie, Earlobe Dot d. e., which in two thousand and eight started offering charter flights for nudists. In February of that year, Carol spoke with agency spokesperson. Sandra Kohler. Miss Kohler. Why do your clients want to fly naked? because maybe you know that. Especially in Germany, nudism, traveling or Espy, saying Germany S. K. K. is really popular. And people s we now know also wants to a jain. Maybe a flight without closing, and that's new I think. Is. Where did the idea from from one of our customers he? was speaking to Enrico S. This is the manager of the travel agency and its first of all it was of course, a funny idea and later. He thought that it would be very. Crazy but also Very nice for our customers to organize such flight in that. That's why the idea was born. No, since you've offered this this naked flying, how much what's kind of responses have you had? We've got about I. think Seventy or eighty emails from people who want to take pot, and also some bookings and. Now we are waiting How much people are are really? You want to to book. And so you haven't. No one's about a ticket yet then. We, we've we've bought some tickets about ten or so not so much, but a lot of people who who think about who wants to book, but Not decided yet. And what's there? What are they considering? Because of the price is, it's really expensive. You know what what's the price? I only know in you in you. It's a five hundred us. So about a thousand twelve hundred dollars Canadian and second. It's about eight hundred. Eight hundred Canadian dollars, Assen so and that's to go from Germany to. Tuxedos. There's a lot of money. Tell me some I. Guess for people. Don't fly in the nude. What tell me what it would be like? What how do you do this? It's one question was all they say on asked. Can only take the closest thing down, not that yeah port or something like that just in on bought and stewardess and the pilot address. They don't strip off. And, they be flying uniforms, and when they are on board, they can take off closing and have to sit on tower. Seven towels. so of course there's snow special cleaning necessary. and then people can take off closing, and then can. They can enjoy the flight without. Closing on. Okay, so they get on the plane, yes. They're dressed, and then they do the way to the door closes or do. They descends on the plane. They can strip off. They they take these just as enormous light boarding just as a normal flight know they sit down. And The plane is going to to stop and then after starting men planes take Take off they can Strip off if they want to. What do they want to do that because they want to feel free? Even on an airplane, yes. Okay so they're on. They're playing there naked and I mean so. Everything else is the same. It's just as a normal flight you for instance, avoid serving hot drinks. Yes, it's not a lot of hot springs because This would be really dangerous, so I mean. Is there any other kind of of behavior? Allowed that sent? That would be unusual. I mean there's no sexual behavior nothing like that. No it's. No special rules or something like that just that they have to sit on tolerance as I said before I want to say that it's really meant seriously. You know I. It's It's really. Popular Way to to make holiday. No in Germany. It's really popular and It's it's just maybe an unusual way to to travel, and so, how does the airline respond to this? They they're okay about. To serving a a flight. Of nudist and they think it's funny, yes, but. They want to do this. Yes, and so they'll bob. The plot pilot will be closed as well. Of course. They want to be naked. Are they allowed to be? No, they are not allowed. It's not allowed because he doesn't. Want this and when they arrive, they get dressed before they land to. Their holiday destination is as also place where they'll be yeah at the Baltic. Sea there are lots of beaches there you can Nine naked. Okay. Are you going to go. Meet Myself No. I think it's better to have some closest on. A lot of people would agree with you. But you obviously understand why they want to do yeah, I try to. Who isn't color? It's good to talk to you. Thanks a lot. From February, two, thousand and eight, that was Carol speaking with Sandra Kohler spokesperson for travel agency that was offering charter flights passengers who prefer to travel naked. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on. CBC Radio One non-serious. Following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the CBC. Listen. APP download it for free from the APP store or from Google play. Thanks for listening I'm Carol off and I'm Chris. How! Point. For more CBC PODCASTS GO CBC. Dot, CA slash podcasts.
The Evening Briefing: Wednesday May 27
"Good evening I'm Chris. Price with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Wednesday may the twenty seventh and the Prime Minister's rejected an inquiry into Dominic Cummings actions. It was must watch TV. Boris Johnson refused to launch an inquiry into the actions of his chief advisor. Dominic Cummings that was revealed when he appeared in front of the House of Commons Liaison Committee. This afternoon the prime minister says an inquiry would not be a good use of official time has been fights the coronavirus crisis and he accused members of the committee of engaging in political ding-dong he so claim during the ninety minutes hearing that he had seen evidence for Mister Cummings that some of the claims made against him were false politics. Lifelock has the latest. It comes as the BBC is admitted. Today the opening monologue on last night's Newsnight fell short of its impartiality standards presents. A Emily might list began the program saying Dominic Cummings broke the rules. The country can say that a clip of the opening monologue has since been deleted by the BBC politics. Twitter account the other major news. Today's about the central part of the government's Corona Virus Recovery Strategy from tomorrow. Anyone who test positive for the disease will be contacted by new. Nhs TESTING TRAE service. It will ask for information on their recent interactions. And if you're fan of be near someone with Covid Nineteen. He'll be told to stay at home for fourteen days. We have everything you need to know about how it will work as you know much has been written about how corona virus has changed our lives today for the first time official figures. Show what Britain's have actually been doing with their newfound extra-time the I was saved from not commuting to the office of giving people more time for sleep television in gardening but the official data also found people with low incomes have been spending more time doing paid work since the lockdown began right. Stay put if you're listening on WHATSAPP house NGOs links now. And if you're listening on spotify apple wherever you get your podcast you'll find them in the show notes as well as links to some non Kern of ours material including everything you need to know about the SPACEX launch tonight the first commercial space launch and Harry to capful analyzes why twitter has opened up a can of worms by taking on Donald Trump. That set you up to date Danny will have next briefing tomorrow morning.
The Evening Briefing: Wednesday June 24
"Good evening I'm Chris Priced with the briefing from the Telegraph, it's Wednesday June the twenty, four th and the price of our freedom has been laid bare. Do. Not Make a cup of for the plumber and do not stand at the bar in the pub. He must not scream on a rollercoaster. And if you use a lift, you must face the wall. The reality of how we'll live at alive in the new normal has been spelled out in government documents published. Today covers everything from how you visit the pub to what to do. If you have builders in the house to fit your new kitchen, Tony divers summarizes how the new rules of daily life will affect us all from July the fourth. In the House of Commons, the prime minister insisted HSA Teston trae systems are in place, and we'll be able to respond to fresh corona virus outbreaks that was after he was challenged by Labor leader Sakir starmer. He questioned the gap between the number of estimated corona virus, cases, those entering the test and try system parliamentary sketch writer Michael Deacon thinks they're exchanging permanence. Just questions shows Mister Johnson thinks Sakir has three weaknesses and his attacking them every time. If you've clung onto the hope of a summer holiday. It looks like you'll get your wish tomorrow. That's when the government's expected to announce details of so-called air bridges. Telegraph understands the deals to allow tourists to travel will be set up between the UK and six locations with a chance of a spike in demand for overseas trips. Could today be the best data book holiday? Our Live blog highlights the best deals. And it won't surprise you that today's the hottest day of the year so far temperatures reached thirty one degrees at Heathrow and shoppers, being warned about the risks of queuing outside for the supermarket that says the metaphysics issues, a yellow with a warning for parts of England Scotland and Wales thousands thought it was a good idea today to head to the coast. You can see a picture of a packed southend beach with many appearing to flout the to me to rule. As, well as those stories, you can read our view of the new BMW series, grind coupet, and how new BBC DRAMA I may destroy. You is set to revolutionize the way we see rice onscreen. If you're listening on WHATSAPP, a send you those links now. If you're listening on spotify apple wherever you get focused, you'll find them in the show notes that set you up to date. Danny will have your next briefing tomorrow morning.
UK politics in chaos.
"Coming up on the news a opposition MP's rage at Boris Johnson after he suspends Parliament US National Security Adviser John Bolton is fired and diesel cars emit more air pollution on hot days. It's Tuesday September Tan. I'm Anthony Davis opposition. Politicians rage to the Prime Minister Boris Johnson's five weeks suspension of parliament before the deadline for brexit which drew angry and unprecedented protests in the House of Commons outside it and even across Europe parliament has been prorogued all suspended at the government's request until October fourteen addressed it move that gives Johnson arrest bite from rebellious lawmakers as he plots his next move and tries to lead Britain out of the European Union by October thirty first opposition. MP's chanted shame on you and held up signs reading silenced as Parliament was formerly shut down in the early hours of this morning as legislators implored House of Commons Speaker John Berko not to comply. He expressed his displeasure saying this is not a standard or normal almost prorogation. It's one of the longest for decades and it represents an act of executive. Fiat Berko said the suspension came off to MP's MP's inflicted a series of defeat some Boris Johnson's Brexit plans they also demanded the government released by Wednesday emails and text messages among aides aides and officials relating to suspending parliaments and planning for Brexit amid allegations that the suspension is being used to circumvent democracy opposition dishes Labor Party leader Jeremy Corbyn accused Johnson of seeking to crash out of the E U and seek a one sided trade deal with the United States that would damage Britain and a no deal brexit is really trump. Deal Brexit Corbin told a union conference. No one can trust the word of a prime minister who is threatening to break break the law of force through a no deal Boris Johnson has acknowledged that a no deal brexit would be a failure of statecraft for which he would be partially to blame and he said he believed a deal could be struck by October eighteen when leaders of old twenty-eight. EU countries hold a summit in Brussels some MP's continuing doing to meet and debate parliamentary business informally as they feel now more than ever parliament should be sitting Donald Trump has fired. He's National Security Adviser John Bolton Lifelong proponent of American hard power off two months of division between the men over the direction of foreign and National Security Policy Trump announced the news earlier in a post on twitter Bolton tune was trump's third national security adviser and continue the pattern of departures by advisers who proved a bad fits for a White House leads by the president with no prior experience with the military national security or elected office Bolton's aggressive positions on Venezuela North Korea and Afghanistan clashed with the comparative reluctance of his boss to entertain new confrontations and wind down some old ones Baltin meanwhile communicated hatred in old school terms to leaders in Caracas Pyongyang and Tehran with threats about direct action from the US military and Bolton was was also said to have been a crucial force in torpedoing an agreement between trump a North Korean dictator. Kim Jon earn angry North Korean officials later Toco Bolton dim cited the some of positions like these and others was a national security adviser with a view about American strategic ways means and goals at stock odds with that of the president tensions eventually reached the point at which Bolton reportedly was excluded from meetings about about the war in Afghanistan these kinds of differences between trump and Bolton eventually spun the two men too far apart emissions from diesel cars even knew and supposedly cleaner models increase on hot days a new study has found raising questions over how cities suffering from air pollution can deal with urban heat islands and the climate crisis research in Paris by the real urban emissions initiative found that diesel car emissions of Nitrogen Oxides rose by twenty to thirty percent went when temperatures dropped thirty degrees centigrade a common event this summer emissions from a range of vehicles found to be many times higher than those declared by manufacturers in laboratory tests confirming earlier findings following the Twenty fifteen diesel gates scandal in which Volkswagen cars were found to emit forty times more nitrogen oxides on the road than during the Bartram Tests Call Obese Dismiss residents complaints about asthma and allergies as anecdotal title evidence and contest city halls measures to discourage car use in the city center. 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Sept. 19, 2019: Speaker John Bercow; Kids And Plant-Based Milk
"From NPR and W I'm Tanya Asli Broadcasting Today from member station K. J. Z. Z. In Tempe Arizona Jeremy Hobson it's here and now Iran's foreign administer had a warning today. Mohammad Javad Zarif told CNN that if the US or Saudi Arabia strikes Iran the consequence will be quote all out a newer. I'm making a statement that we don't want. We don't want to engage in a military confrontation but we won't believe it learn more at to defend those comments came after that attack last weekend on Saudi oil installations the US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo as said Iran is to blame Iran tonight joining us now is Jane Harman President and CEO of the Wilson Center. She was the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee during her time in Congress. Welcome back. I I thank you Jeremy. And where do you see this headed for the. US and Iran was given a sentence. I think it's tough talks fairness and much more modest actually I I think that's the right thing will end up doing is ratcheting up sanctions and we may ratchet up some asymmetric attacks cyber but I don't think we're heading for all out war. I don't think trump wants it and I would point out the irony that if we had stayed the Iran nuclear deal the twenty fifteen eighteen deal. I think we would be a much stronger position now to ask more from Iran Iran would have been willing to do it and we would have had a coalition on our side. Now we are fairly isolated and I think we have a weaker hand. Do you think that the US may try to get back into another nuclear deal with Iran. Ah Yes I don't know about back I mean I don't think trump would ever do admit that any deal he made had some resemblance to the Obama deal. I think car foreign policy is anything but Obama twenty four seven but I think if there is a deal to be made that fences Iran on certain nuclear activity for a longer period of time than the old deal that in brains in Iran's missile testing and activity which Watson Austin cover and that range in some of its its maligned behavior in the region. I think that's a better deal but again I think we would have achieved it more easily by staying in the old deals which let me point out to a majority of of members of Congress supported staying in the old deal whether or not they were advocates initially initially of the old deal. What do you think that Iran is taking from at least what I would call mixed messages from the United States. You've got Mike Pompeo. A saying that Iran is to blame for the attacks. President trump has not gone that far punishment found that inmates right. I don't know the intelligence case. I think pompeo on death row got to nine. Iran is responsible faster than perhaps the intelligence proved but I also think not being definitive. Genitive is giving us some wiggle room and coming up with the policy short of all out war which again I think trump doesn't wanna do I think is probably a really bad idea. Uh so leaving the wiggle room is useful right now. I think the the current claim at least in in public claim is these drones were launched from Iran not from Yemen. Even Yemenis claimed responsibility. I don't note that there's definitive proof yet. That was the case they would have flown over a lot of airspaces niane. We'll know when we know but I'm one who thinks you saw. The intelligence case really matters when we get it right. We have better policy won't get it wrong as we did. In Iraq we have worst policy. Also there is if Iran did do this. Why would they do this in the media. I think Iran is trying to get our attention. Sanctions are are biting and they're getting our attention so I deal I think North Korea does same thing North Korea. He does provocative tests and then we talked to them so I think they think. This may be the playbook with trump. It also points out to me by the way something we should factor in. Dan is how weak the Saudi defense and most people think by the way that they're fighting capacity they bought billions of dollars of the military assets from us is poor and then in Yemen the progress that was made to offer. We really call that progress in the civil war there the fighters who were impressive where you way e riders not not Saudi fighters. Finally I want to ask you about another powerful full player in the Middle East Israel. There was an election this week sort of not election right exactly and delivered a big setback to the longtime Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Do you think he's finished prime minister. I also don't know yet for big too but I certainly think the hills that he's climbing got steeper and if he has the same number of seats or maybe one down from a blue and white party the party and they get a chance to form the coalition. I think they have a decent shot for me. Your coalition that is not just with far right parties and frankly I don't want to say I think maybe Netanyahu in Yahoo has offered some bold leadership over the years but I also think he has made it much harder to achieve two state solution which I am strongly four and I think that there is an indictment over his head which may come in two weeks. I think that Israelis me we have decided to move on and moving on could could deliver something. I'm strongly for. She has a better chance for Israel to be a pluralist democracy democracy in a very small piece of real estate which also offers possibility of a separate Palestinian state with secure borders and responsible leadership understand I just said secure borders and responsible leadership not be cheerful but if if the parties on the ground there are can get to that I think that would be frankly more in Israel's interest in German and offices annexing norrland and Jane Harman Director President and CEO of the Wilson Center. Thanks as always for joining us. Thank you Jeremy Have Day. Let's turn now to some research about toddlers. Cutler's endearing guidelines released this week by a panel of health organizations city kids under the age of five not drink plant based milk in replacement into dairy milk that includes bridges derived from rice almonds or coconut. Some soy milk can be an exception. NPR Senior Science Editor Maria Doria joins US Maria Eitan recycle so we kids under five get a lot of their daily nutrition beverages. There's so many choices cases now more than ever before. Why is this panel cautioning against most plants gay stocks. It's yeah the whole plant based milk sectors growing growing in popularity and they have everything from two almonds coconuts as he said but the panel says most of these products don't have the same nutritional profile as dairy milk for instance they may like the same levels of protein vitamin D or calcium phosphorus and these are nutrients that are really vital to proper growth and development for kids who are five years old and under some of these plant based milks may actually be fortified but so that their nutritional profile is made to match dairy milk but the pin also says there's actually not enough evidence to know if these nutrients are by available in the same way and what that means is if they're readily absorbed by the body and same way that they they would be from dairy milk. I WanNa get to some alternatives but I I want to know what organizations makeup this panel well what one of the organizations this was an she next panel drawn from leading health organizations including the American Academy of Pediatrics the American Heart Association the American Academy of Pediatric Dentists and Academy of Nutrition and dietetic their convened by a nutrition research group called healthy eating research with funding by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and I should know that same foundation provides funding for NPR okay. What are some of the best alternatives. If you don't want your child to drink cow's milk or if they can't really well so if they can't is a big issue because of obviously there's dairy allergies there's allergies and there's also lactose intolerant and there are kids who grow up in Vegan households one of the things that the panel said is that milk can be used as an exclusive replacement for for dairy milk. the evidence for its nutritional profile was stronger also if you were kid can't drink dairy for medical reasons or Vegan or reasons being being Vegan you can have plant based milks but then really talk to European attrition or a Dietitian nutritionist to figure out what else your kids should be eating in their deitz. Make sure they're getting those key nutrients from other sources even with soy milk and some of the other milks they may have higher sugar content or there's just a plethora plethora of choices out there and you go to the island. You see you have to really look to find the unsweetened versions of those right. I mean that's another big concern. Why this group was issuing cautions against plant based milk is that a lot of them are Sweden adding sugars to the Diet and there's a ton of research showing that these earlier's when when kids pallets forms and they grow more used to sweeten drinks they don't need sugar in the Diet. Not none of us really need added sugar in our diet so yeah what we should always be watching labels right. The panel also says that we should really limit fruit juice because of the high sugar content as well right and this is a big thing of mine because I think juice still has a halo but it is high in sugar and calories. However juice can help meet some of those daily fruit intake for for kids and especially where affordability issue because whole fruit can be more expensive expensive than juice? They do say you can you can have it if you're limiting it to forty ounces a day. NPR Senior Science Editor Maria Godot thank you so much we could talk about this forever wherever what happens when Ronald McDonald walks into a poor immigrant neighborhood in the south of France and sets off a supersized revolution the story of how company slogan to sell shakes and Burgers became a rallying cry for Workers France. That's NPR's ars translation. You could call him the man at the center of Brexit he sits right in the middle of the two sides in the House of Commons and often has to calm everyone down speaker of the House have comments John Berko has been in that role since two thousand nine but now he could be a crucial check on the power of the Prime Minister Boris Johnson who wants to take the UK out out of the European Union deal or no deal on October thirty first parliament voted against a no deal brexit but right now parliament is suspended by the order of Johnson a move Berko called a constitutional outrage. John Berko joins me now here in the studio. Welcome Jermaine good off into you thank you so. I want to ask you first of all about the news of the day you said in a lecture the other day that the only form of Brexit that we have whenever that might be will be Brexit at the House of Commons has explicitly explicitly endorsed and that you'll do what you have to do to keep the prime minister from ignoring parliament and taking the UK out of the EU without a deal. What does that mean it. It simply means that the three possibilities as the brexit debate continues and moves towards perhaps an initial conclusion as far as withdrawal is concerned turned. I there can be a withdrawal agreement approved by parliament's and therefore an exit with a deal secondly there could be a withdrawal from the European Union without a deal if if no deal is approved by the House of Commons if the House of Commons explicitly endorses the idea of a new deal brex which they've in other whistling by default it happens by explicit endorsement thirdly the could be a scenario in which parliament says. We haven't approved a deal. We didn't want to leave without a deal so he wants an extension of article fifty to find a route to a potential mechanism to saw the issue once and for all so there were those three possibilities the simple point that I was making was that we cannot have a situation in which we leave the European Union by default. The House of Commons will want to be in the driving seat stating explicitly and emphatically an unmistakably what it wants my only point there's concern about that right now that that maybe the prime minister would just ignore the law that was just passed in the House of Commons and signed by the queen that says that he cannot leave without a deal on the thirty first of October well. I think everybody accepts that. A law is binding and everyone has to adhere to the law period be you you ever stay high. The law is above you. Tell me about the role of the speaker. because people are looking to you in a way to to make make sure that the law is abided by in this case the principal function of the Speaker of the House of Commons is to chat in the chamber to chair Providence's questions to CIA question time sessions to Chad the delivery of ministerial statements to Chad debates on US miscellany of different topics in that capacity. The speaker is not a player in the match but it's referee or umpire. That's the function of the speaker not not try to secure one outcome or anothe- but to facilitate the House of Commons in order that it can arrive the decision which by a clear majority it wishes to reach so what do you say to people who think that you have gotten too political in the role of speaker well. I simply reject AH judge. I don't think I've been to political tool. I have not argued for a particular point of view on the brexit issue. In the Chamber of the House also comes at different times there have been important minorities to accommodate in the debate so the bricks of tears had their chance when they were in a minority now the dissenting view of the soft brexit details or the would-be remain irs has also to be heard said the point that I'm making to you is that the speaker has to try to ensure that all of the different voices are heard is not for the speaker to implement the government's. Government's position is not for the speaker to implement the opposition's position. It's not for the speaker to implement any particular view. The speaker's Rica's job is to try to ensure that the different points of view heard. I think the truth of the battery if I may put it this way very fair is that sometimes when people will have their own view heard when they desperately need it behead that pleased when somebody else's view which is in very the hot competition with their own is given an airing. They don't win. They would prefer it not to be there. Quick to criticize the speaker's job is not to court what popularity but to try to facilitate colleagues and to say the word that you've become famous for which is I'm going to let you do it or a must come to order then. Did all the previous speakers. Do it like that or if you put your own stamp on everybody puts his or her own standpoint my predecessor. Michael Martin was a Scottish Labour member of parliament and he had a distinctive Scottish accent. He said the word in his is way. Betty boothroyd the first and so far the only female speaker had her own iteration of the word. Everybody does it differently. They say that it is preferable to anybody else's but simply mine as you have been speaker for so long and throughout the whole brexit process if we think of Brexit as this as like a ship in a storm right now where are we. Is this the the most dramatic part so far that you've been there. Or how does this feel compared to right after the referendum happened a few years ago well it feels different and yes. This is the most traumatic point that we have reached to date but in and that's I part of my sentence. The words to date are of the essence. Nobody knows what is going to come next and I think what I would say to you. Is that anybody who predicts success with certainty or even. Alacrity the eventual resolution of Brexit and when that will be is either through an extraordinarily clever person or frankly a reckless fool. Are you allowed to have a public personal opinion about what should happen open with brexit not in terms of the outcome odeon terms of the process. I can have a view about the process and in my view it is absolutely critical in the the efficient effective and responsible functioning of parliamentary democracy. The House of Commons takes ownership ship of the issue and has a say well. One of the fears that people and we've we've covered breaks a lot on this program one of the fears. I think that people who don't want Britain to leave the EU have is that Britain is going to lose its place kind of at the table of all the major decisions that happened in the world we think of of the UK as one of the leaders right now and that if it's not part of the EU anymore that's GonNa lose some of that clout notwithstanding the fact that you can't tell me what you think should happen do you do you think that the UK has lost any of its global stature through all of this drama over the last last few years well that she is a sophisticated and charming way of seeking to inveigle me in pressing view automatic which by the it was. I will say to you. Jeremy is look. I have heard that view. We all really approaching. Only the end of the beginning with talking talking head is important for your listeners to be conscious of this about a potential withdraw rel agreement to be submitted to the House for its possible approval that is ready stage. One could go even use them to that. The were withdrawal agreement approved in that remains to be seen there is a whole discussion to be had about trade relations about security cooperation abouts cultural relations between the United Kingdom and the European Union and the approach kingdom adopts to the rest of the world so I think it is very important that as soon as possible in the interests of a wider set of issues a whole gamut of topics being addressed by government and parliament is bandwidth for education nation for transport in the fight against crime and doing what we can to most raw social caste system and so on and so forth but the idea that it is a question Russian in the next few weeks of simply sorting Brexit the issue of our future relationship with Europe and with the rest of the world is a consequence of this subject having been addressed will be a staple feature of UK political discourse for a long time to come. Let me just finally ask you. You'RE GONNA leave the speakership at the end of this parliament. What are you gonNA miss the most about it. The cotton thrust of debate listening to my colleagues seeks disagreeing sometimes fiercely occasionally angrily putting their points with real passion. I respect that and over of course I understand. A lot of people are very frustrated. I hugely admire my colleagues. I believe the House of Commons is a wonderful awful place. It is overwhelmingly filled by people who are motivated by the notion of the national interest by that perception of the public could and by the duty notice delegates but as representatives to do what they judge to be right for our country if you do for a living something that causes you to jump out of bed in the morning looking forward to the day ahead as I've done for the last twenty two years as a member of politics in the last ten speaker. Frankly you up lest. I have no plans to die tomorrow but if I were to die tomorrow I die happy feeding. I've been incredibly lucky and that's what causes me to say to all of my colleagues those who've supported me and those who have not thank you that is John Berko the speaker of the British House of Commons. Thank you so much for joining US Jeremy. Thank you and you can see a photo of the speaker in our offices. This is at your house. Southeastern Texas is underwater that sound of a flooding highway near Cleveland Texas about fifty miles outside side of Houston. The remnants of Tropical Depression Imelda is dumping heavy rain throughout southeastern Texas and southwest Louisiana causing major flooding sitting there since Tuesday. There's so much water in Texas some local officials there say this flooding is worse than what they've experienced during Hurricane Harvey for more on this. Let's bring in Gil delattre. She's a transportation reporter for Houston Public Media High Gal Hi Tania. I know that there's so much going on there right now. We know that the Houston area has about four to five leads a year but give us a sense of how this storm compares and what you're seeing mm-hmm. Well you know it really depends on how much rainfall you get in your particular area and also what waterways you're near if you're going to flood or not if you're going to have watering ordering your home or if you're going to have water on the roadway that impacts your ability to get around basically what we're seeing right now to kind of give you a picture of what's happening here in downtown Houston. I in a lot of people came to work today. A lot of schools are still in session so people are kind of you know still trying to go about their business but a lot of the action right now is to the north and the East in Houston. We're seeing a lot of flooding going on in areas about fifty miles east of Houston and the community of winning smaller community. They're also they've had problems since overnight in the Beaumont area. That's a little bit larger city about eighty miles to the east of Houston here in the city proper. Were getting reports right now. Some fairly high water in some of the northeastern suburbs reports of were going into homes. Also people getting stranded in their neighborhoods. The big airport Bush Bush Intercontinental. They've come to a total ground. Stop and there was also a lot of flooding around the airport as well. We just saw photos that someone put out on social media of one of the Metro Transit Transit buses totally flooded so it's not only the plane's getting in and out but people actually physically getting to the airport yeah and we saw that Houston Bush airport is back open but flights are still delayed in the roads surrounding the airport as you mentioned are flooded. You also mentioned Beaumont so the Beaumont Police Department tweeted that the nine one went operation center is experiencing heavy calls more than two hundred and fifty high water rescues and nearly three hundred evacuation requests Hauer. Those water rescues going whether getting as many as they can. You've got the Fire Department Police Department other entities since we're on the coast. All of these communities have emergency. Does he plans for weather events like this. It can kind of come up by surprise but then there gets to a point where you need some help from outside so what we see in a lot of these flooding events civilians going out in their boats to rescues. We have the organization you've probably heard about called the Cajun Navy from Louisiana Group of volunteers who goes they go to different places to rescue so there comes a point where civilians with boats or pressed into service to handle a lot things revenues there's so much going on there we are also hearing reports of Tornados happening and then there's the impacts to hospitals and nursing homes and I guess that's where all those civilians come into play assisting folks as well as officials assisting folks. You stay safe out there. Thank you so much for this update. That's Gail delattre. She's transportation reporter for Houston public media. Thank you for joining us. Thank you if you look up. Louis Czuczka name on the Department of Agriculture website. You won't find his biography. That's because has after more than two decades. Working is one of the departments top scientists looking at how climate change affects plants. CZUCZKA quit saying the trump administration was trying to silence his research search. Lewis Cisco is now associate professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University and joins US professor. Welcome glad to be here. Thank you well. Let's start with with the research. What was it that the trump administration you say didn't want to get out. We were looking at how rising carbon dioxide levels have have a impact with respect to nutrition and we wanted to focus on rice because rice is one of the primary staples globally prior to submitting the paper approve of course we have to get permission from higher ups at the National Program Level and the paper was accepted as part of the overall process wants the paper had been peer reviewed and was getting ready to publish the editor approached us and said look you know we think this is going to get a lot of press. Would you mind doing a press release. I said no no problem but after the press release was put in we were told that no the conclusions of the paper were not supported by by the data. If you had a problem with the paper you would have done it initially not something you do after the papers then accepted so so indicated to me that they were not going to support the scientific findings even more than that they went out of their way to touch base with other groups that were involved in this and also urged them not to do a press release and to me that was sort of crossing ethical line in terms of what shoot what you can do and I wanna get to the politics of this in a minute but first of all what were the conclusions the conclusions were that as co two has been rising facing if you look at the integrative nutritional content of rice what we found was that the protein levels are going down that key elements such as iron zinc that are important portent for human health are also declining and that at least for some of the the data we didn't have a chance to do this for all the different sites but for the ones we did what we found was that there was a drop in B. Vitamin content and races an important source of violence for for many people in the world and we focused on when those countries in the world that were more than fifty percent of your calories come from rice alone countries like Bangladesh or Laos House or others at least fifty percent of your diet comes from only from rice so those the ones that we felt less susceptible to the CEO to induce change inch now. These were data that were attained in the field. They were data for C o two concentrations that we are almost certain will happen before the end of the current century so the fact that it's going to have an impact on the health or potential health of over six hundred million we thought was something that was obviously important. Why does the climate climate and the carbon in the atmosphere have an effect on the nutrients in rice and other plants. What we think is happening. Is that plants are very adaptable to their environment. They can't exactly pull up the roots and run away so what they do is they change chemically and what's happening right. Now is an unprecedented increase in carbon in the air is not keeping pace with other elements such as nitrogen and phosphorus and potassium that come from the soil so what we're seeing in a number of different instances is that those compounds that require a lot of carbon may be benefited by the change in carbon but those that require like more nitrogen or phosphorus. I in fact maybe going down so when we looked at the nutritional profile of rice what we found was that vitamin E. to cover all was actually going up now. That's a compound that it's only carbon so it may benefit by the rising co two whereas something like vitamin B Nine B twelve which have a lot of nitrogen. We're actually going down so what this implies is not just for rice but for all plants at the bottom of the food chain is that as co two changes they may be adapting in that in a way that's going to affect their basic chemistry and that of course has implications for not only human health but for all animals animals who rely on plants as their primary source of food and are all of those adaptations as far as you know going for the worse for human health not necessarily necessarily so if we see for example that vitamin. E. is going up then that may have a benefit but one of the things that's most worrisome about what we're observing is the change in protein and what we find is that protein concentrations are going down across the board. Now you can argue and some have that this change in protein is result of of breeding for higher and higher yields and crops but we also went to the Smithsonian Natural History Museum and you look at some of the samples overtaken one hundred fifty years ago. Oh prior to the start of the industrial age and we were looking at not people food but we were looking at solid egg or Goldenrod and Goldenrod goldenrod pollen is a major source of nutrition for bees for pollinators and what we found there was that in addition to what we had been observing for rice and other other props is a similar decline in protein for the pollen and that has implications for be health pollinator health as well so we can't say it's universally awful saying is that plants which are the basis of all life are changing and how they're changing is going to have implications not only for human health but also for the environment as a whole so to the politics this the US Department of Agriculture has denied having suppressed any climate-change-related age-related reports or information in response to your resignation. The department said that preventing the promotion of your study was not political but was instead based on scientific disagreement agreement. How do you respond to that. If there was issue of scientific disagreement then prior to my submitting the paper they should have come demand demand said Oh. We don't think the science here is feasible. We don't think the science is appropriate. They didn't do that. They did it. After it's gone through peer review you don't do that after the paper's getting ready to be published the people that disagreed with it. The Best of my knowledge are not people that have any background and looking at climate change danger carbon dioxide effects on nutrition. The person who contact me told me about it was actually a soil scientist not someone who had published in this area at all so this doesn't sound like they're disagreeing with the science it sounds to me that they're disagreeing with the outcome of the study and the fact that the study did not fall into what their political purview was so it was. It was very unusual this never I've been with as you mentioned in your intro. I've been with USDA for over twenty years. This never happened like this before I of course responded by saying. Hey let's meet. Let's talk about this and and there was no follow up meeting. There was no effort to come back and say specifically how what happened or why it suddenly at this point in the process was not acceptable. It made no sense now. You're not the only government employees to recently leave over the issue of climate change Do you think you're going to have a bigger impact on this issue outside the government then you could inside the sad. The sad part is that I think I will but the the sad part of that is that they're very good people that are still at USDA good scientists good technicians who can make a difference but if you're not allowed to work on this if you're if you're steered away from doing this kind of research then what impact are you going to have and yet at the same time you have in in real terms you have farmers that are dealing with unprecedented rainfall fall you have farmers that are dealing with unprecedented pests threats to their production and you have on the other hand folks of Agriculture Research Service. They're good people. That can do a lot in this in this regard but you're not gonNA use them because it's politically inconvenient to begin to address a a problem that the administration believes is not a problem. This is it just isn't right. This is what what USDA and other scientists at the federal level are therefore is help address problems of national importance to ignore those problems to say. Oh no that's political science. That's not evidence based. I don't have the words to to express why that's so wrong. Why that hurts so many people not just the scientists but ourselves as a country in terms of our ability to be a sustainable producer of major food crops for the world is a whole Yes I can from a a personal level. I'm very very grateful for Columbia to take me on but from a larger perspective I think it's going to hurt the research that it needs to be done overall to begin to address these challenges to food security that Lewis Czuczka who is now an associate professor at the Mailman School of Public Health at Columbia University. He quit his job as scientist at the Department of Agriculture Lewis. Thanks for joining us. Thank you very much and you can hear more of our stories from covering climate now at here now. Dodd in twenty nine states have the death penalty and more than twenty six hundred people are on death row until recently that included Tennessee inmate Abdu Ali opt Rochman but in August more than three decades after he was sentenced a judge. Is there reversed Abdurrachman scheduled execution for first degree murder. He was given a sentence of life imprisonment citing questions about the fairness of his trial. The the ruling ended a drawn out legal process that took a toll on the defended and the victims and it's become a common scenario and capital cases Samantha Max of member station W. P. L. in reports from Nashville when Lee Abdurrachman and an accomplished stormed into Xuan Norman's house in February of Nineteen Eighty he six Norman Hayden a bedroom she and her sister Katrina who are nine and eat at the time could hear everything as their mother and her boyfriend were attacked. We we were so scared when when I ran back in the room and told my sister that it was men in the living room with guns the Mamas Head in Patrick said and we were shaking so hard and our beds are beds were knocking up against the wall after the men left the girls found their mother Norma Jean Norman on the floor bleeding from stab wounds. She survived but her boyfriend did not the normans were relieved when Abdurrachman was given a death sentence in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven but then came the appeals the hearings the endless letters from the prosecutor's. Katrina says she dreaded checking her male talk about it. I don't WanNa hear you're bad if something comes on the news I'm GonNa cut it off. I just want to deal with the but last month. The sisters finally got closure when obda Rochman waived his right to all future sure appeals. He'll still spend the rest of his life behind bars but won't face execution. I'm just glad that it's family over. We've I've had to do with this for a long time. It took thirty two years for DIRAC MONTH'S CASE to wind its way through the courts and evidence suggests death row inmates are waiting in prison longer longer than ever before the Bureau of Justice Statistics. Most recent report on capital punishment found that inmates executed in 2017 spent an average of twenty twenty years and three months on death row in nineteen eighty-seven the average was just over seven years Austin. Sarah is a law professor at Amherst College College who studies the Death Penalty. He says capital cases take longer to resolve than they used to because of growing concerns about the execution of innocent people before you're going to carry out a death penalty. We want to be as close to certain as we can be that the death sentence is warranted and that the death sentence sentence was arrived at we're expecting the full legal rights of the person whose life is now in jeopardy the Death Penalty Information Mission Center reports. The number of executions has decreased substantially in the past two decades from ninety eight thousand nine hundred ninety nine to twenty five last year in most those cases. Sarah says death sentences are ultimately overturned in the lengthy appeals process. He says it's comment on cover evidence of prosecutorial misconduct this conduct a trial there is a lot of intense focus on the case both in the media and obviously from the point of view of the surviving living relatives and that pressure can lead prosecutors to cut corners. Sarah's defendants also also regularly argue in their appeals that they didn't have proper legal counsel at trial especially if they couldn't afford a private attorney both were true in Iraq. Month's is case. His original defense lawyer admitted he didn't prepare in any way for the trial. Abdurrachman also claimed that the trial prosecutor withheld important evidence and rejected multiple potential black jurors now. That's why Nashville District Attorney Glenn funk decided to offer Abdurrachman a new deal at an August hearing he he said there was enough doubt surrounding the death sentence in this case to throw it out. Russell bias has no place in justice further and most in pursuit of justice is incompatible with desertion abdurrachman case could signal a path forward for Tennessee's three other other inmates scheduled for execution in the coming months similar agreements could also offer relief for Victims Stacey Rector of Tennesseans for alternatives to the death penalty not says victims suffer when capital cases languish in court traumatize it goes on for so long and what I often hear people say is we just wants informality but after hearing rector said she doesn't think the solution should be to expedite death penalty cases there are too many issues that do not get addressed and that take years getting through the courts to finally get hurt and addressed and if you speed the process up people people like a boo. Ali Get executed a states like Tennessee grapple with the future of capital punishment. The federal government is pushing full steam ahead in July Attorney General William Bar announced that the Justice Department would resume executions after a lapse of nearly two decades he said the Justice Department owed it to victims the Norman sisters however say they understand why Abu Ali after Rochman sentence was overturned they haven't forgiven after Mon and they were looking forward forward to his execution in April but they think the new deal will finally deliver some justice to everyone involved for here and now I'm Samantha Max in National Nashville the here and now is a production of NPR and WB you are in association with the BBC World Service. I'm tiny Moseley. I'm Jeremy Hobson. This is your Yeah uh-huh.
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"Hello and welcome to. Romania is now officially elite. The podcast of the Post brexit resistance after supping fail of freedom and sovereignty. Last week crowns have dispersed from Westminster last week. One thousand three hundred fifteen days is off the referendum pulling the NAF coin enough details. The government put on enough light. Show smack Margaret Exit. We are still hit. See through the ups and downs of of the transition. I'm Dorian Linski a big week for US joining me for it or a couple of our regulars the Learner Gentlemen semi right is induct editor politics dot UK and no stranger inches chuntering from a sedentary position. And do you have favorite standing order. Or you don't want to be fashionable. Is Standing Ending on twenty four cutting edge on my standing preferences. Yeah just like the Beatles. Isn't it the best. So honorable lady on my left is Ross Taylor editor of LLC breaks it alone. I was INS method of self care on Friday night with boozing. Geez he's How did you did you marco? Steve knew the or did you do as I did completely ignore it I tried to. I've been very sad. Order was wondering around just cry. Ransom awesome that was embarrassing especially at school pickup and then and then I decided to go to bed early Besides that I wouldn't have to you know I wouldn't be tempted to go on twitter or anything like that so I went to bed early and then at eleven o'clock I was woken up by the side of Fi. Works which some fucking had had had had been letting off over north London. I four places and I was so angry that I immediately went on twitter. Just got furious. I was doing fine as the the lead by donkey's white cliffs of Dover Thing MHM and I was like Damn. You made me cry with us. Today is a man who held the rare talent of making the last four years horrible and even entertaining through sheer force of up holding parliamentary sovereignty. This time nasty. Break with tradition by allowing a vote on the grief amendment you also denied the May government. His third vote on her deal. He's called breaks the biggest mistake since the Second World War which we like a lot and his autobiography unspeakable published this week where he gives his verdict on the four prime ministers who govern and on his watch among others and tells us what really went on in the parliamentary battles of the brexit years ago. This week is former speaker of the House of Commons the moisture of Erskine. May John Burke Jong to you and thank you for having me on your program on your podcast. How are you how you enjoying life outside outside the Commons do you? Do you feel the urge to to of tell people off in civilian life. I've not used the word chuntering from sedentary position with with anything like the same frequency in the previous ten years so now I'm enjoying life I'm trying to the living. have some famine in decoys. Possibly do some good and what I mean by the Lazarus that I can imagine undertaking some charitable activities in the future. But I haven't finally decided any one particular cause remember interested in the whole issue of social mobility corporate social responsibility in some but basically I'm making the living by communicating with business audiences. I am enjoying doing a bit of lecturing role Holloway College London University which is found Chancellor Counselor of my Old University Essex University which is an honorary position is not a paid position. As a great honor. Spending a bit more time with my family and indulging my passion for sports specifically Tennyson football when presuming. That you'll publicist haven't cunningly stayed this. On the way into the studio there were two strangers. His who deserve came up and said hello and thank you for what you're doing. It became kind of the star of the parliament channel. Las Jeremy It gave a client of conferred kind of celebrity. That the speaker doesn't n-normally enjoy has generally been a Nazi. You know celebrities sort of has as a has decided to it has it generally been kind of benign experience view have used sort of enjoyed The attention of strangers memes and so on. Yes if truth be told I have. I'm not even sure if I would call it. A benign phenomenon. I mean it's been very positive and uplifting from my I point view look a day make the mistake of thinking that it is proof of huge public popularity because I think the truth of the matter is and I think I said this to in when we met recently it self selecting the people who come up to you and express enthusiasm say well Donald. I'd like to say thank you for your service and it. It does happen. A lot in London happens every day without fail. They mean hundreds of people but I mean a steady trickle every day when I mountain public places. Isn't those people are choosing to come and say hello and say thank you or we support your. We think you did a great job because they are supportive. The will be huge numbers. The people who have the foggiest idea who you also think of coming up to you and saying and this face it will be people who don't approve of me who didn't think much of me as speaker or it don't approve of my political views. They see them and they're not all Maho with exceptions gain to come up and say anything. Why well because most people they want to cross the road to pick a fight? People got lives to lead and you know they probably don't want to have a free car or an altercation so they probably wouldn't but it's as to the means the means quite on I am od very recently familiar with the idea of me or what. My children described to me as a mash up mash up walls other than a collection of potatoes prepared to accompany the dish and I was astonished when I was first told about this but I saw a number of memes. I saw me on my mobile phone of me saying Mr Peter Bone Conservative member bottom of wedding. Bre and somebody had done a me more a mash up of me saying Mr Peter Bone to do. The music of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony was a member of the public who presumably either not fully gainfully employed or have been leisure time and he thought it would be fun to do so at meetings to burn cetera and the stuff on the Internet. I think of me sort of saying dumbass Chara Lambros. I'm Bruce and Sangam to yeah quite well then labor. MP's with very distinctive names. So have I found it from yes. I suppose you know I have to admit uh-huh do seek it but I have found it stimulating and to a degree to a very modest degree reassuring. I've I think I'm pretty robust. Oh you do get a lot of criticism and abuse and that goes with the turf of being a public figure. I'm not complaining about that but it's nice. Obviously it's human nature to want to have some approval rating is nice when people come up and say well what have they said. Thank you well dom we think you did a great job and some of them tend to focus on very simple things like you know. I enjoyed the way you kept older because lots of people in London in particular upset. So thank you for standing up for parliamentary democracy. Thank you assisting the encroachment by the executive thank you for enabling. MP's to speak their minds and vote in accordance with their conscience and notches rolling over to the government of the day. Now of course that which makes me popular with some people makes me. I absolutely accept very unpopular with others. Well what took Mala that later. which formula wants us? How many reality TV offers have you turned down so far? Well actually many I was asked about gang on. I'm a celebrity. Get me out of here as to strictly come dancing. I haven't been approach just to the best of my knowledge. I one time Judy Murray. Who is well known to man of whom I'm a big fan was aw sked because Oh she went on the program who from the world of politics and broadcasting would you like to see them strictly and she said Oh John Burton? Jeremy Paxman will to Bethesda. Judy I think she probably said me because my name was probably the first politicians name that came into her. Mind if judy had even the faces inkling of just how disastrously inadequate a ham as adults she might have ideas. I'm not sure wall. She would have been champing at the bit to see if she observed my imitation of Danzig. The truth of the matter is I've always enjoyed public speaking that I loathed on saying I complete understand why people love it and if it or even if they're not good at it and they have fun. I have no sense of timing and I resist in almost all circumstances being being dragged onto the dogs I have been asked to go celebrity vast divide. I've turned that down. Why do you ask in my mind? You could just may -letes aches well. I think it's a question over the specialist subject y questions especially subject because I think we could choose a specialist subject. Actually in Mike Is. It probably wouldn't be parliamentary procedure. Would probably be the career of Roger Federer in which I'm steeped am. I think I could probably learn a couple of thousand facts about his background background and career and track record and so on perform more than adequately on that front I think the real clincher is. Who's good at the general knowledge? Should I didn't think I've got a particularly good general knowledge. So would I want to a base myself and perhaps even disgrace myself by doing badly. If I'm really really honest about it. I think I'd rather not fair enough. Eskin may which is something you dabbled in while you focused on your proper edsa priorities. We'll hear lots more from John and discussing the government Tony progressional trade talks with the EU. 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I think the one I liked the one about Michael Howard because some people cold others oily league Michael's peculiar distinction was to combine listen oiliness in equal measure their lifestyle and by that there were more experience alone alone in that category people Read that she think anybody would be would be surprised to read them or do you think that The people that you didn't get on with a well aware I think on the whole they surprised I think for the most part though be well aware I mean. I haven't spent any time thinking about that. Would Michael Howard. No that I didn't entertain warm opinions of him. He would certainly say that. And I think that's it's some of the others in fact most of the other probably would as well David Cameron and I've never been friends. We always got on well when we played tennis for the Commons Lords team together in the early noughties but oft that has to be said relations deteriorated rapidly and permanently said no. I didn't think the great shop none of them. is likely to be surprised. I've had probably the fewest conversations with Theresa May and always very courteous conversations. She might it be quite struck by the force of what I've said about her but I do also say positive things about You know I think. She's a decent public spirited person. I think she's extremely hard working. But I do do stand by my whiter verdict and in particular of political significance. I think that she suffered one huge huge and fatal floor that was apart from the complete lack of political imagination. You would assault that. Having gambled on the twentieth seventeen seventeen election and lost the gamble. It might have occurred to her not necessarily to abandon brexit but to pursue a different approach. Perhaps apps a more nuanced or calibrated tack and to try to reach across the house to get support. But not only didn't she do so. My impression was that it never even occurred to her to do so. She just continued rather monotonously on the same path and behaved as though nothing had happened and that seemed to me to be really very very misguided -an shortsighted on quest serious floor in validity leader. Will you take it. There's this imbalance as well but you. You take a on balance a fairly dim view of most of the party leaders and yet he praised many back benches with Stella creases their Williston bill cash. Will you know sits across the political spectrum Are you just is it. You have a sort of natural empathy with backbenchers particularly kind of rebellious ones. Because that's what you were but do you think there's there's is a problem that that much talent is is over there rather than in the leadership's is this something that stopping these people from becoming lead. Well I do naturally empathize with benches. And I think if I'm ready Candida Bassett. I do naturally empathize with people who are a bit different a beetle quote A. B. C. Independent minded and a bit insistent own the remorseless pursuit of their causes and I don't share bill caches views on Europe. As is now very well known and I think Brexit is the biggest firmly blunder of the postwar period riches gimpy gravely damaging to the UK. But I can admire and respect somebody who has plowed his his originally lonely furrow with such persistence and assiduity a very long period. I may be very opinionated. But I'm not a bigot. And I and I think he'd he's bigoted only to admire people of your own views. I think we all want to be able to think of people of whom we would say. Well I disagree with that that person but I respect her or him and I do respect bill. Why didn't those people progress? You also saying in a sense where they just too talented to progress. No I think the truth of the matter is the was one or other factor involved I either. Those people didn't progress because calls. They weren't regarded as team players. All they were thought to be too contrary or too stubborn or they didn't progress because because they chose not to do say candidly in in the book about being extremely right wing as as a young man and then This wonderful thing. You'll you'll rival for the post of their FCS is Is Our friend Frank Manslaughter mark and you ended up being too liberal. Oh for for sort of FAMO- stories and it makes me wonder that when people talk about Jeremy Corbyn Bernie Sanders. There is a huge admiration for people that have basically had lifelong lifelong consistency. There reading your book I wanted to do. You think that sort of changing your mind that the kind of reassessing opinions GonNa. John is sort of an underrated eighteen virtue. And I do. I mean I think the merits of consistency are overrated. I think when I was a young man I was rather attracted to people who are very consistent or at least being consistent on a subject for quite a long period and I tend to think oldish shows the principle integrity solidity reliability dependability. Call it what you like but I think that the merits of consistency are overstated. Estate Canes Famously said if the facts or circumstances change changed my opinion. What do you do and I think that it's more important to be right right than to be consistent? Most people I mean. This is a huge generalization. Dorian rose in but I suspect most people broadly do sit in the same place for most of their career if they're positional life if a member of civil set in not position but somebody political views. It probably do broadly speaking adhere to the same beliefs over a long period. And I think it's human nature the most people judge these things on the basis of their own experience in other words because they've tended to stay in the same place they think. That's what should be I. I think the important thing is to be true to oneself and to make judgements on the basis of the merit of the issues. The idea that you should remain consistent so as to avoid being accused of inconsistency or unreliability is frankly ridiculous at the time by the way that I beat Mark France one hundred ninety seven to one hundred twenty three eight hundred nine hundred eighty six clutch in those figures for my breasts and you can tell remains a great deal to me. Today I was very much on the radical right the thatcherite all right mark. Francois was regarded at the time as the very embodiment of moderation. I recognize them. As you in this studio and for your looseness this will be a soup. Cream chowder to even the most vivid imagination mark. Francois is moderate as rather restrained and understated understated fellow. headling very middle of the road toryism. But at the time Francois was the Madras and I was the radical right. Winger these days as you know Roles reverse MANTRAS. And he's pretty odd. And so there's this page right bang. Ultra Thatcherite your skeptic. Even much later than that so does does that mean that you therefore have more of an insight than for example and we do into the sort of the mindset of the year skeptics of the Brexit. Is I still struggle article two to share their values such as such but having been on that journey yourself were you able to kind of understand. Better the mindset. I think I did an even now I think I do understand their mindset. I wos us for a very long time. Dorian as you sort of hint to all intents and purposes brexit tear in other words even after I shifted my attitudes on other subjects. I've become very socially liberal. I've become a a keen supporter of LGBT. Equality of special educational needs provision being enhanced most of constitutional reform. But I think pretty well up until two thousand and five thousand four two thousand five. I was a hard-line euro-sceptic I think I remember speaking at a debate in the Commons in something like two thousand four in which I was still trotting out now those hardline anti e U messages. I came to believe over a period the when forced to identify identify particular examples of powers that we given up that we absolutely had to have back. Frankly I I couldn't find them. My overall take was look. We're in an interdependent world. Most of the problems that we face are complex and multifaceted and the not susceptible to simple solutions and by large. They're not going to be resolved or even significantly mitigated by one country acting alone. And what I think shifted me on. Europe was partly becoming more liberal politically. Generally if I'm honest and listening to people with my shed of of us being a European made me think gosh on my views on Europe paps a bit out of date or fossilized just wrong and partly okay. I think Michael had wouldn't approve of this but becoming shutters. Extra State for International Development and serving in that role for just under a year as a result of him appointed to that position calls me to think about not just development but globally sues foreign policy the approach to the resolution of some of the challenges around the world and I started to think well actually cooperating. Working together makes sense. Michael had had a particular obsession session with and absolutely unreconstructed opposition to the EU aid budget and impressed upon me as leaders. He was the very great importance of me. Prioritizing the pursuit of the repatriation of EU aid policy to the UK and. I was deeply unenthusiastic about doing that. Above from the Oh said to him but Michael. It can't actually be done. Legally would require the agreement of the Union for us to reclaim that the power and I mean he wasn't really inclined to let the facts get in the way of a political argument and it was a drum that he wanted me to bank did he have any interest in all tailed appreciation of aid policy more widely net on the referendum itself as a bit in the book. Where you talk about an attempt to twenty eleven's gotta a private member's Bill to get the referendum on the yes? I think I'm and then when it actually happened. You described the cameron referendums a massive reckless disasters. Gamble Campbell. which I think we we? We would agree with that. I Apologize For state But there was only made me wonder into whether you thought that it could be postponed indefinitely. Do you do you feel that there had to be a referendum some point or do you would you know you could have held fast and the pressure would have gone away now. I didn't think that did have to be a referendum. I mean I myself have not been consistent on the subject. Not only in the sense that I used to be as border of Brexit and now a very determined an inveterate opponent of it but in the sense that I have in the past I think publicly voiced either support support for recognition of the possible merits of a referendum. But you asked me the very particular question could the pressure of being gene resisted amounts or the absent. He could have been because there was no great hopley clamor for a referendum and the people clamoring four. It were on the one hand you KIP. And on the other hand. Tory backbenches who brexit is now. David Cameron wanted to ward off the threat of U. KIP and to assuage or pacify Tori. Brexit is on his own benches. Was it essential to call the referendum a friend for that purpose. No and I'll tell you something else I don't actually think I comprehended. You'd have to ask him. But I didn't actually think David Cameron ever expected to have to fulfil the commitment to a referendum. Because of course if you look back you'll recall that what he said was that a majority conservative government would stage in Thames Reverend Izing he fully expected and hoped I guess for us to say and hoped that he'd remain in a coalition government. Because I always felt that David was both politically and temperamentally and in terms of has not very comfortable working with Nick Clegg and I thought well he would rather depend on. I'M NICK CLEGG THAN ON BILL. Cash John Redwood and I could almost hear him in a sense will visualize him saying well. I hope by audible friend will understand the particular pledge that I made and those not the circumstances now we haven't got a majority government and therefore I have to disappoint my honorable friend and say that I'm not in a position to offer any such referendum and he basically blamed the Liberal Democrat sadly once he got the majority. Yeah I sp- as he felt he had no choice but to stage the referendum and David was. I'm afraid guilty of overconfidence. He I think famously said somewhere that he would win and somebody said to him. Well how come what makes you say that. And he said what I always do. Dave always wins and he always says poll the head of his party so he probably thought he would be able to hack it. Continue to fly by the seat of his parents and through his natural eloquence and get his way but he roadblocking eventually he ran out of Lacombe my biggest criticism of him and he does have many gifts admit but my biggest criticism of him is that given a choice between tactics. Ticks and strategy he on during -ly opted for the former tactics rather than the latter strategy to give you another counterfactual asleep was your job to To try and stop or you know moderate Brexit but you did have really have a s with a front row seat to to other people's efforts to sorta decide and when we did leave the last week on many pundits sort of playing the couch game again. Well there was. This chance was missed. That Johnson's announcers missed one of them. For example was the the antiquity votes and if the Dick devotes more way than that could've up do you feel that there were turning points that you observed where a few votes on the other way or if somebody sorta tactics Gino what if we just go for this software version of breaks or whatever that it could could have We could have ended up in a very different place. Did you think that those kind of their turning points there were the places where it really digits. Turn turn on the decision of a few. MP's or is that too neat. I think there is something in that. I mean to be fair as far as the votes on the referendum what concerned the referendum supporters. Were quite a long way short of having a majority in the house. If memory serves me correctly that got up to two seven three or to stretch two seven six supporting referendum. They never had anything very close to majority of the House of those innocence eligible to vote. which would have meant am having in practice given Shin Fain not taking pause on the audience of the channel Beijing it would have meant in practice them needing to have? Let's say three hundred twenty votes. There was quite a long way short of that Dorian but on the other hand and if supporters of another referendum had had a few more votes then the vote for would have been bigger than the vote for any other of the sort of multiple choice options. If you like in the indicative votes and that might have I've triggered a referendum. I knew that it was talk in the ether as late as last October. All of a source of gravitational pull towards referendum among some conservative members. who hadn't articulated it now to this day? I don't know whether that's true. And even if it is true at an air how how many were in that category. But if you ask me do I think it was a point at which I either a referendum could have happened. All the house could have voted for a customs. Custom's Union Limerick Brexit. The answer is yes and I think that these missions narrowly failed. And I by the way I mm you also about whether a referendum was inevitable you could equally ask was an election inevitable in my own personal view. An early general election was naught inevitable was quite a widely held view that because of brexit fatigue because of public anger the irresolution of parliament on the subject. Brexit we really had no choice but in a sense to sit way into an early general idea actually by that I think it would have been perfectly possible to continue the parliament in the end for for a variety of reasons. Opposition parties usually thinking of their own circumstances decided to embrace the idea of early election. And and I think that that has proved to be you know not least from their point of view and certainly from her maniacs point of view a mistake we talk about fatigue there an we had. MP's coming going in and they really taught particularly last year about the kind of immense sort of strain and exhaustion. And obviously part of your agenda as speaker you know see stand up for parliament. Went reform in certain ways An an an awfully close to make it a place the more people who would would want to enter We you very conscious wisdom. It'll jiffy anything you could do for these kind of or rather another way to put it is how much longer could have gone on people. Having to sort of you know these constant crunch points in these constant late votes and people getting so much pressure from stitcher in sometimes abuse because there were certain people people are just. I just thought like how much longer could this go on and in a way the election not very happy about it. Generally sort of allow some sort of normality to return return to the Commons. Well you know it may be that. I'm very heavily outnumbered in this opinion but my own feeling is that it could have gone all indefinitely because the legal position you basically our politics not the same thing but the legal position walls that the next general election was not due you until twenty twenty two but I mean the human costs like did you notice people Frei yes. I think that I'm a huge supporter of my. Because you now have often spoken up for parliament I don't share the view of Seventieth says and the detractors parliament was a disgrace and the house had lost all all more authorities to sit at hit. Accept any of that for one moment and I'm not pejorative by colleagues. I thought most about him was a good parliament. Parliament was doing. It's juicy and questioning probing and scrutinizing Utah challenging contradicting and exposing the omission and Commission of the executive branch. So I I certainly wouldn't want to join the hue and cry. Gainst them one thing however which is critical critical that I would say is that. Ultimately Brits Fatigue had something of the same impact on parliamentary entry colleagues is it probably did members of the public in other words causing people to get a bit frazzled and Irascible and pap short tempered with each other. I think it was a bit. Like a war of attrition and colleagues probably got bored with having to say the same things over and over and over again arguments made in speech after speech to speech but if the other locked would saying their messages over and over and over again then and those people who were bored with they had to respond in kind but in the process people was probably less kind towards and tolerant of each of towards the end of the parliament with notable exceptions takes Hillary. Hillary is virtually a saint saint and seems to be incapable of getting very angry that he's capable of getting angry about an issue very passionate but he's never unkind or discourteous to anybody. I didn't witness it in him but I did with colleagues on both sides of the House and on both sides of the exit argument find that they got pretty and fed up with the Jilin. MM-HMM I have to odds. In the in the book you address on kind of rebut allegations of bullying a couple of years ago as he loses resurfaced with with with the David Leakey What where do you think these are coming from white? Why do these allegations sort of keep coming up sometime after the fact act and and what are we what are we to make of them in relation to his Lee this disappear edge is she? Why do they keep coming up at short answer is is that the was a sprinkling of people in the house who very very accustomed not only having their say but to having their way and who took umbrage as a speaker saying no now? We're going to do it differently. Now for the most part and this is the subject for quite a full discussion another orange essentially so. I'm really trying to summarize it. But for the most part they were people who'd worked in the house or in another another career of Arava structured kind for a very long time so they were people that I would describe as institutionalized and they were very a traditional and in some cases frankly plainly reactionary and accustomed to having their way because that was the natural order of things and into having their approach adopted and they didn't like it being challenged and partly as a result of having pap serve for very long period. They'd come to be very comfortable with existing arrangements on which they found it difficult to imagine improving and I came along and wanted to do things differently differently and I explained in the book at least in relation to one of the individuals that we just differed on issue after issue after issue. We tried to make it work. We worked together together. This was somebody that I inherited. I hadn't appointed time and time again. I would say I want to do X.. On this person say Mr Speaker. Not Dumb like that or alternatively Sibley he would specify doing something and I would say over. I just do it this way. Learning it is not on my that Mr Speaker. I would say why has never been done that way. Alternatively attentively in commending a particular broached me he would say to me Mr Speaker it's always been Bumba way and I was able. That may very well be. But it isn't holy writ it. It's not a rule of the house favorite longstanding convention. And I would say well it may be a long standing convention but I want to different and my basic attitude. Dorian I say this to would of you in the studio and your listeners. My basic attitude was reform reform reform reform. Where reform was it's necessary desired and overdue reform in the Chamber to engender more invigorating atmosphere atmosphere in the proper deployment parliamentary scrutiny of the executive reform in the management of the parliamentary estate making it more child-friendly establishing education central as well as a nursery ensuring staff profile of the house at senior levels was more diverse and reform in the use of speakers house to host? I I think an unprecedentedly. Large number of charitable events bill also a mindset of engagement with civil society so so that was what underpinned me wanting to chair and chairing as I did every year for ten years the UK Youth Parliament and go to that conference every year and gained a schools and universities and faith eighth groups voluntary organizations. Now that was probably the least controversial of the reforms but nonetheless a very prominent official. Who worked with me had absolutely no interest? What so ever in joining me on any of those visits his attitude was no he would stay base camp and it wasn't his style as because he puts it the fact that it was my style and I was elected to become had a mandate? Just didn't way with him at all I think he felt that it was my responsibility to adjust to him raw than the other way rounded sounded. I'm afraid I reject that I must say to you. I completely reject the suggestion that I ever bullied. Anyone anywhere anytime I to to I reject and robot these allegations which are hurtful and of course An attack Oh my character and property and I totally we reject it some of the people who are getting for man. It's very obvious that is an orchestrated. Effort may be politically motivated. Ez some of them quenching titled People Who Frankly Rather Look down on me. Look down on me now and look down on me then and you know I have had quite a lot in course of my life Russell. sniffy in some cases snobbish people who think their superior will. I'm afraid I frankly that. Not much trump will. This is obviously in the context of being performed for a peerage bridge and if it if that does go ahead and is by the way the motivation is absolutely explicit. have in one of them has been in the sense. Hopefully explicit in sagged. That's that's coming up. Apparent e attach enormous wait till his own views and thinks that the nation should keenly attend to his every astronauts. The person concerned has very little knowledge of the House of Commons and had very limited interaction with me. We had a couple of arguments wanting twenty eleven on the other in two thousand twelve. He wasn't one of these. People wasn't two the employees of the House of Commons by. He obviously thinks that his words were very very way too important and must be repeated on innumerable locations. And you know He. He appears in the media very regularly. He signed up to an agency getting him work in this field and I mean we work. I'd say he's paid paid work or not. I'm making no allegation in that sense. But what I'm saying is obviously thinks terribly important but he takes to the public square and he's been very explicit in saying yes. He doesn't think I should be a member of the house where we're extraordinary Marie grateful to him for his house. But he's not the arbiter of these few to get if you can have lords. UFC came as a speaker. You had big priority list of priorities. If you're in the Lord's awards. What would you want to do that? They at least sure if I were there I would want to draw my experience prince to talk about parliamentary themes and parliamentary reform and to champion causes the dare to me a one calls that is incredibly dear to me is the pursuit of gracious Social Mobility and the adoption of an internationalist outlook in tackling and some of the problems that our country and the world face. I have no right. It is not a matter of entitlement. They're a very respectable arguments for saying that the speaker shouldn't automatically go to the House of Blues but ordinarily when there is an idea abroad overlaps changing an established procedure the would be some in consideration of that that might be a consideration by the procedure committee. A report undertaken and the house would consider. Let's be absolutely clear. That's not what has happened in this case base indeed until very recently. CD Ministers gave me the impression that they fully intended that. I should go to the hassles. What's happened here? Is the a group. The people have come together and said either for reasons brexit related or other reasons. Let Block him. That's what's happened. While I'm sure that the the yearbook will come will come your foes down when they read your warm testaments. Ucla flying very is thank. Thank you Jim Berg thank you mm-hmm Now for the berthollet section of the show as he said step out the government to start it as it means to go along by mmediately getting aggressive towards EU about things that have already been agreed upon an adjuster said. There's no need for trade deals except e rules on competition. Subsidies environmental anything similar similar but the political declaration that the UK. Andy you sign says almost exactly the opposite How sustainable is this truth truth manipulation why I mean it seemed to play for the more rider in the election? The Nets I'm guessing. They're thinking that they can just conduct themselves this time. It's you know the funny part. It is is the while on a day in which he's accusing the EU of betraying deal that he is himself betraying writing because he's literally going against the text of what he'd signed he is then also saying to them. You don't need to stick any rules on US don't worry. Three opponents woman contain with a standard and just like a basic human emotional level. You just yet but do we make because out there boy. Now how contradicting the words. That are coming out their whole. And you've got to think about this whole level plain foods don't think about it from the perspective right like obviously seen on basically suicide was just slashes corporation taxes in order to get companies to invest their their thinking. They just passed him extremely wide-ranging very ambitious environmental legislation that we do more they come and they're just thinking well if we can't just keep on doing is just this medium to large size. Economy just sat right here going. I don't worry. Don't worry businesses. We're not GONNA do any of this stuff so you can still come and invest. So they know it's a it's a question of trust in the future. That's what it's all about. So it makes so strange at the method of communicating with so patently hypocritical regardless of the content rosie. UK's negotiating strategy at the moment ceased to be avoiding services. Westerns highlights the fact their make up almost eighty percent of the economy. Why is this well? I think the simple answer. Is that a slow. Bleed of management consultants and financial CA services. People to various cities in Europe does not have the impact that driving a JC through a wall of Palestinian blocks. Does what does what exactly and I think. The only have a dream speech I in. This is entirely entirely cynical on the part of Johnson. He's allowing kind of slowly lead. I mean basically the important thing thing to know here is that the companies concerned when they're bigger companies are getting round it by setting up subsidiaries and setting up basis in other European European cities. I can't say are the European cities anymore. Now can I Dublin Frankfurt Amsterdam placed it like that and so that is to enable them to continue to operate and therefore they're able to kind of slow down the impact on their businesses. They're able to moderate it a bit and so there's no big punch like the punch that you get when the factory closes down Because of Brexit they're dealing very well. They're going big plans in place. All these big companies for basically spreading ED business to minimize the risk. And that's why he's able to get away with this. Do you think the large part of his agenda the moment is really just how how to spin this. To the electorate little mice. That is more of a priority than actually yeah negotiate eight is creating sort of narrative from which Anything that goes wrong is is just not as volt. Yeah and also you gotta remember that. There's no public sympathy or very little for people who earn high salaries salaries in the city of London and part of the services not all of it but the bigger companies which are the ones that get all the publicity Do employees those people the the people who get sympathy our middle alertness working in factories. And so he's concentrating won't say I mean he's being story extremely reckless on every level in my view but he's not paying much heed to complaining from the city in Monday lobby. Journalists Water briefing at number ten concern publications indications were were barred from it. It seemed like a very Trumpian move from Don Comings. I'm obviously when these things happen. We certainly the trump is the first time it happens is all of our age but then journalists tend not to stick together and let me just think. Well we're kind of not going to throw away our access on the point of principle bill for these guys And then it sort of ends up becoming actually the norm. Do you have more faith in the British media To sort of push back against the sort of blatant strong arming I. I was quite impressed by what happened this week because I usually I would happen to go along with the analysis of no have very little confidence. The people will be able to sit together and they did This also this thing of like. How often can you burn light comings and his guys have burned a lot of journals? A lot of times wind really senior Janis. We've seen it happen. He's been what's having them. I think I'm not sure that there were really aware when the what's up to coming in that that clearly being sent to multiple John. Because I think this is my exclusive about a tweet quickly the same if you look at like. Do you remember the spectrum when he got a deal remember. He burned spectator pretty hard. They they went. I think the front page of is going to be no till whatever and it was I tend to others. You keep them burning journalists and after a while they're going to be like well even middleman selfish instincts. I don't know how this is going to pan out from it and if there's any point taking this information from you so far I thought the weeks going pretty badly for the looking at yesterday yesterday comes out with this announcement on 'cause However I mean the six o'clock news was featuring him being basically doorstep by their correspondent? Not Sorry no does. He refused to take any questions on the stage. He goes off and the clip that shown of him as him running away from questioning when he gets off. And you think would. That isn't really helping you very much to do that. However that plan is clearly basically? The media forced up doesn't matter that it just cost doesn't matter you don't need these guys and you can do most of the work on facebook in two ways firstly by doing his A. What Shampoo d US Prime Minister you know? How is it you you should get your side? Lovely stuff on his people's PM key thing. And secondly by using the Cossack tactic of segmenting voter groups and speaking to them very precisely and very directly Lee about what they want around election time so it seems that the strategy is ultimately facebook. Fuck the media agenda. How far that gets you caught him that for because we don't have any sorry keep up by number? The Daily Mail had a fucking editorial today talking about the freedom of the press attacking him on the day. The presumably what they want from this newspapers for them to be assisting him in his attack on the BBC ABC so even in that front. That is not going as well for him. As you would hope so I do have Mogae more hope than I would normally have on this subject you. It's still it's still pretty fragile. And for a former journalist he's behaving in a very cavalier fashion. He knows you comfort the media he no. He's a journalist. Unlisted behaved in a row heavily. No but no. But you'd think he'd grasp how important the media was to him and will be again. I I don't think that ultimately he will be able to wrap up the British population through facebook and the way that he wants to do. It's just a dangerous to lie about what happened with the amount of outrage. That came mostly from the the message. They put out after saying they barged into number ten and it was. You know this kind of meeting took an inner lobby which doesn't exist. which was it seems to me that there was more anger over that the post briefing of what happened and there was the original Mike like fun to see is within a few months? Some kind of like you know that Cummings overreach is just going to get worse and worse than he's GonNa be some Koloss all fall. COBB way thinks he's cleverer than years. What was he has achieved various coming in terrible things but this is something about him that so my slight not quite bannon and because Johnson is not as irascible and paranoid is trump but something where he just kind of really Fox it up yeah? He's visiting ship right now. Leasing leasing. I'm his war which no one can explain to me. What the fuck is about with Saya Javid? He's you losing plenty of internal battles. I haven't seen him. I mean. Look the big win. Lean is the general election. You you can't fly around with that. That's a black and white win. But since that it's hard to put your finger on any of the internal battles that he's one you know it's not insane. Suggest he may not be long for this for this world but wait till his squad arrives outside rainy. We never do. It's time for another round of are bracing new segment to the barricades. This is our new drive to spread good vibes in the remains fair by giving you the listener. One good and useful thing to do this week. Rose what have you got for us well can undermine the whole spirit of turn to the barricades by saying that. I'm GONNA talk about Jetties A. K.. And you might. You might see cognitive dissonance here but let me become judges yet. No no no not. Let's become chetty so judges. Are you know often pompous term tosses. But they often also very misunderstood and we don't in Britain understand very well the job that they do and we don't understand why they why they do it the importance of it to them and this week King's College London has launched what used to be called a mook but that was the two rubbish name that no one calls it that anymore which is basically an online course force explaining how judges work and talking to them and lots of videos and lots of interviews and stuff which explains how Jewish urgel system works. And it's run by GEICO James Lee at King's college and I highly recommend that you start taking this because I began last night and it was really good. It's okay it's about three or four hours a week of your time which is quite a long time info. I'm sure lots of Romania. It's a few weeks but it will give you an inside the judiciary. They haven't even tried to give before which is to my mind to my Saad. Kehinde quite exciting. We look at Wikipedia page for judges. Now you cannot talk to the homework barricades finally this week. How do we conduct ourselves now? That brexit has been done and so has everyone else. There was unavoidable. Sadness remains on Friday as the rights enjoyed as Europeans the rights of citizens and wants to come here taken away in an instant and the evening wasn't helped by the site of people in two world wars one referendum t-shirt literally said referendum challenge will now reach turn collective garment rending into something positive. Ross here is the conundrum that we've watched Britain being presented on TV as the lead a pretty angry and unpleasant people frosting journalists if -able songs etc But but then also if you criticize any of them even people who say referendum Then that's just elitists sneering so as a result of any criticism of your average kind of voter he's not like super engaged and just felt like they wanted that life to get better or you they wanted to kick out the the the POWs The bay but the even even the kind of the hardcore. You're not allowed to to sort of mark because then that's just middle class sneering. Yeah that's exactly why you lost to quote the tweet that I see about every single day and he talked. Look this is why he lost. Because you don't like racist you can't spell so think Goodwin here is it sort of. Is it just kind of you can't win good No you can't because basically all. This is a massive amount provocation. I was in Parliament Square on Friday. I went along because I want to a felt I need to see the site the spectacle it was an offer and it was one extrordinary bloody spectacle. So they were they were bikers for Brexit. who were lined up with blackouts? Now they're big bichsel so lined up. There were a ton of Evangelical Christians who kind of not just one group but loads of different ones. You've kind of jumped on the bandwagon promising harder and harder and harder more biblical Brexit said horsemen of no and there was a there was a world war. Two one of them's called lorry queues world. WHOA to era pickup truck which was driving around Parliament Square with with one of those white plastic guard pieces of God furniture in the back with no one sitting it alone alerts? Little flusher your Union Jacks back. Then and everybody was it was all completely performance. They were all there to be on TV and to basically say the most extreme things they could possibly say just to get on the whig author mainers and that was exactly what they were there and in many cases they succeeded. But you've got to remember. This is not the vast majority of the population there may be a culture war. You being stroke. There is a culture war being stoked but all this was just for for the cameras and it was the most extraordinary amount of acting in for a very long time when a second referendum was a AH possibility A little bit weird so told to hold. Our tongues is like. Don't mock the people that you might have to Persuade I mean not that it sounds like the people rose describing wherever that persuadable but it was always like you know hold back Hobart. Dan could size leave his Now I mean is there anything or love. This became upright thing. I'm to lose because point the whole point about culture wars is that it ain't stop because the other side just goes. I'm just GonNa not saying anything. I'm just going to ignore them and they'll go away. They weren't go way because then those people angry about doctor who or something it's like you can't if you they don't go away so what I'm saying is can we just come. We make fun. Is it okay to make fun of people in referendum t shirts. Yeah I think it's but he's an elitist to say we're not going to point out. That spending is wrong or that. You've just said the accord is here. When of course is there or that you're able to spend if anyone in any situation if you Weiji one x to happen and someone can't tell you why then obviously you're the discussion? I mean basically to save ECON address. That is like saying that some people literally are incapable of any reason or logic whatsoever so that seems to to me to be the elitist thing you go and you have argument anyone that actually gave a fuck about the public and that actually gave a shit about people's lives which they were politics is about the fucking the arguments that's what you do have the argument so it just it seems to me a complete reverse elitism and then of course it also accepts the narrative framing. And we'll do this right. I mean because we macos houses the not a single episode of this is passed without one of US mocking one of the other ones being basically saying a really a flat white and did you have it enhanced it you you know what I mean. We play into it but obviously it's not correct like it is simply not true the way that the vote played in this country or even the way the vote played in the US where exactly the same narrative of elites versus the real people place. And when we do it when we sign up to it what we're doing is we're hoping that owed old old. Owed nationalist idea like for Mussolini. From before missing any of the people we represent the people in the nation in new guys these subversive missive elitist international money swapping conspiritors who wants to destroy the people of the country. So all of that is fucking horseshoe. Marsha you have the discussion and of course if you don't have the discussion if you play into this allow it to be this thing that I'm not allowed to say what if they succeed in doing all this. Because you've been doing this convincing you that the best way. Oh you can advance. Your cause is by not saying anything at all. They have completely fucking commuted you so yes say what you want. Say the fuck inaugural I find like the the the tone policing or the lentil around this way is dishonest because essentially the ideas. You can't say anything at all so maybe if you go oh Leave voters was mainly voters that we know what voting for and you go. How dare you? They know. People are very intelligent some anxiety and then when you can literally prove because they're talking to the BBC and disowned her her These people don't know mark them for not knowing the very busy But you just said I wasn't allowed to say that they didn't know it's when you basically when you've gone through like a couple of cycles like that in the in the media you know which I think we'll probably knew this back in two thousand sixteen You just realize that actually actually there is. No you can say this Yukon say that here is the line. It's really like you cannot say anything. You cannot make any criticism because whatever you say okay and however you say it and this is why there's so little you know why a low counts factuals. What remains should have done really gets on my nerves because I remember for a long time people going? Don't bloody have your European flags don't have all this kind of like over emotional kind of staff because that puts people off and then you'd have people going where you can't just concentrate the only dry economic facts of the things you have to talk about the emotional connection with your you. And so essentially what he is everything you do is wrong exactly a now. The you know they safest January is past. I'm just like I don't care anymore. But he ever have you ever had a imagine having that conversation in a pub imagine you having a disagreement with them on any any fucking subjects on earth and you then think no your member of the real people I have somehow been magic's out of human existence and under number so I cannot now respond to you just like how fucking Patrick treating them like children. The idea like I can't imagine anything that should be more offensive to someone than for someone is basically like you know like having a running competition with five year old child win. No Fuck. That people are growing. Shouldn't shouldn't have the fucking but with a child. You should do that. Sure it is watching our child. You know when you're playing football with them and you just let them score loads of Goldens. Yeah now you're right. It's just like no. They are to respect someone you have to respect their right to be fucking wrong idiots. Yeah it's politics is made up of people with different opinions. Who the argue it through until one of them is found to be correct? That's the whole system of the whole thing so I mean it was like for us right now. It feels like the way that the anti anti immigration guys used to say it was for them before brooks or you can't even raise your just concerns about immigration right now racist. 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When MPs erupt into incivility, the Speaker is to blame
"Just before we start listening to this podcast reminded that we have a special subscription her he can at twelve issues of the spectator for twelve pounds as well as the twenty pound Amazon voucher the go-to. You spectator dot com forward slash voucher. If you'd like to get this offer hello and welcome to coffee shots spectators what is daily in these days often. Mullan Dedi politics pocus. I'm Katie Polston joined by Fraser Nelson and James Recife so Boris Johnson finds herself back in the comments unable unable to find a retailer. We've just had the confidence motion to have a short free day recess said the tourists can go to Manchester has been vetoed by the rebel alliance of MP's conference will likely still ahead. They're saying it will just might have few politicians there. Perhaps a people's conference now phrase it looking at the Commons woman's we've had this is the second day since it's tanned last night. We had very angry. Scenes is very bad tempered and it looks as though this is just going to keep going we have seen John. Try and calm in his own way. Perhaps is debatable but talking about the need for all employees but particularly the prime minister interesting to look that language and that's here clipped. I I think there is a widespread sense across the house us and beyond the yesterday the House did itself may credit ah the walls and atmosphere in the chamber worse than any. I've known in my twenty two years in the House on both sides passions were inflamed angry words what uttered the culture was toxic. Faith jumper has a point. He does and I wish she. We listen into himself a bit more last night. He kept the prime minister on his feet for hours. It was basically a punishment beating being administered to Boris this Johnson by John Berko now. What would it be learn yesterday. Nothing I mean the idea. Let's just keep borders. Tethered goes dispatch box and all of his enemies. Sri Three cats him for hours on end and let's see if he might lose his nerve little bit. Let's see if you might make a verbal slip and he did. He made a rather clumsy analogy about saying the buoy of best honoring Cox's memory and the way of bringing the country back together is to give breaks done now. I know the points that he meant to say that it makes sense Joe Cox adding it's too. It makes less sense but this was the game. This was the game this was. Let's just see we can keep them on here for her hours and hours on end and let's see if you can terminate him because parliament's can't do anything more now than torment the government it can't pass any em legislation other than that intended to harass the government can come to an agreement on Brexit nor can it come to an agreement on no brexit. This is a parliament whose indecision is final and listening to the debate last night. It just reminded me of the reason I didn't use twitter anymore anymore. You see people who are quite clever and you respect saying and doing crazy things because they think the Dutch auction for outrage so I think John Burke who he is the one who set up who created the conditions for last night's pylon. He probably regrets it work up this morning thinking well. That wasn't exactly exactly edifying because let's face it. It was pretty difficult to look at any of the scenes in parliament yesterday in think great. I'm really pleased. Parliament is back. It's beginning to look like a shambles enough to say the government's narrative of this being parliament of democracy dodgers is beginning to gain traction so Berko might be backtracking but what are we to do it by the first time ever denying the tourism recess during Tory Conference James if we look at what happened last night so the crux appear to be when pull the Sheriff Osborne Johnson to tone down his language he stopped using words like surrender what they used to describe the anti not legistlation the reverence passed and in that she invoked the memory of Jaycox the Labor. MP He was murdered and set the is not safe safe. MP's as it is and it was the responsibility of figures such as Boris Johnson the prime minister's no add that environment when the government uses attempts surrender. We've heard today that Berlusconi has no plans to cease using it. Do you think they are trying to whip up sentiment against these. MP's who was made that they just is trying to make the point that they think this legislation ultimately does see power to Brussels. I've been trying to do is they are trying to suggest that these. MP's so or handing power to the EU now I mean there are two things. Gordon's was overly flipping say Humbug as his response. We'll sheriff but I think if you will get into a world where we save it. Surrender actress surrender bill is unacceptable political language then I think a whole lot of stuff in the House of Commons is going to have to people who have to stop accusing borstal staging a coup of you're going to have to stop accusing him of being a dictator and I mean this is part of the problem. Now which is it all seems like what about well you salted at us at this USA dot and I think what the person you should reflect the most this morning is John Barker because undoubtedly out to the one of the reasons why everything is getting so out of hand is the Speaker of the House of Commons is no longer scenes in neutral officer. I was talking to a very mom mandatory. MP This morning and he said he when he heard but what Burke said he for Half Evenings Burqa was right that last night and I'm sitting in the Chamber for the Boris Johnson Jeremy Corbyn changes true. This is the angriest I've ever seen the Commons chamber and it's not healthy but John Burger has played a massive role because close normally the speaker would be able to calm things down but because the speaker has chosen to become part is an actor that doesn't work. It's like in a football match when everyone's flying. Amos todd showing so we're getting out of hand if the referees wearing the kit of one team he can't turn around to the other team and say please calm down now not from the other thing. I'm struck by today is that both sides are so full of righteous anger both sides think they are passionately convinced. They're on the right and this is just going to get worse and worse and worse. I I can't see any way to break this cycle of and the general election in the new parliament. That hopefully would have a majority one way or the of aw you'll be able to be done. One Cabinet member described it to me last night as trench warfare. I mean that's what the Tories feel and and they're actually getting quite Duggan in here. Now this of course is the trap for them if the other side is using hysterical language if they're seeing outrageous things you do not respond in kind angie needs to contrast your composure and your generosity with their shrieking and shrillness now it is difficult act to pull off because as as with twitter the great temptation is that you row in there you would try to attack fire with fire and if the Tories end up being sucked in ambitiously behaving like mirror images inches of their two mentors then I'm afraid to save neither of those two signs are gonNA emerge very well. The only way that this can have a positive effect for Boris Chris Johnson is if the government manages to look composed insensible in the face of provocation. This is a parliament whose only function now is to be sort of forum for hysteria. I kind of a backdrop for him. Videos that you can let you put on on social social. Media isn't anything more constructive can do apart from stage moments of drama now. If that's going to happen theresa better be sure. They're behaving well in that drama and looking at parliament today. I do wonder if they're going to succumb because let's face it be telegraphs pollster comrades. Labor mature reason level pegging now that is the case. They've got nothing to believe. They're going to 'em emerge well as a general election which they seem to be so desperate for if you look at what the opposition. MP's the phrases that they use you often hear things like coup dictatorship. The Lib Dem's what bollocks to Brex now really on the tour aside from Bros Johnson. We are going to keep appearing. Was I surrender this. Tom's portrayal but phrase did you think overall where we appear to be heading even if MP stopped to watch their language slightly is two very divisive. Election campaign is since to me from the language coming from all sides of the chamber when it comes to you how the parties are going to pitch themselves is going to be that type of rhetoric continued potentially. Oh yes very much so this will be a hugely divisive election campaign that will be a fusion of the old referendum campaign plus the the party lines where each side were regards the other as b o portrayed the other is basically being much maligned as well as confused. We saw this. Scottish referendum is inject poison into the political bloodstream. It takes a very long time to wash out and the paradox here. Is that the actor Maneuver Briggs is worse than it was midday after the result after the results people seem to have absorbed acceptance about that be other side was annoyed. They lost both okay fair enough. We lost then somehow we ended up going through the stages of grief in reverse -SEGO from acceptance all the way back through to anger and that's what we're what we're seeing right now and again the Tories can only win this cycle if the void the anger and as you say some of their language is like James I think Ren Deville is fine and consistent with the general election. That's going to say in the campaign. We want to fight Jeremy. Corbyn Corbin wants to surrender. We're seeing election. Language used right now but earlier on when we had Valerie vase the shadow leader of the house saying that's returning general should apologize feezing were Turkeys Recchi's. He said yesterday that MP's were Turkeys who wouldn't vote for Christmas couldn't avoid it. The knee do end up with a situation where voters looters might think plaguing all of your houses and the he had see what we can expect for the next few days as I mentioned in the introduction that there will be no conservative competence reese ask ass but we do so expect to have a conserved conference so James. How exactly other Tories going to hold what's supposed to be a conference with Sunday to Wednesday in Manchester. When parliament is sitting and be the all the other employees to be there and it and expect them to vote so one cabinet and so were saying to me they essentially energy minister is not that far away and they they should they will say take a couple of hours? Dinners may count like miles away the the north is two hours well. I've been the division lost eight minutes and so if you get ambushed it's a long time share. Ah Commute longer than thought so the biggest problem I see is I think the speech is meant. The same time as PM cues and Vizo opposition sometimes makes positive there is no way won't Boris Johnson Abba dispatch box for those that I was gonna say but it never is often obvious days our ah then putting him under pressure on holding into account and there's no way they're not gonNa want out so how what they do abortion speech is difficult for the Tories but but I think the conference will have to go ahead because Ada parties need the money and be of inevitable so be labor and other dams got the traditional boost publicity and attention from that conferences. The brew grew causes traditionally run more than treated as a big story so they will do the same. I think I mean the Tories will try and have have quite positive language. I think one of the things that they view about better. Opportunities now is because they now the only policy that the conceivably get brexit done quickly lived promising eighteen describe it. They were GONNA have enough referendum. Bagan want to suggest that the party you want to get this done and then move onto creating future and talking about things but the public who wants to talk about more we all basically now in pre-campaign period. It's going to feel more like a campaign rally in a traditional party conference and and also the prime minister can give his speech. I mean really these not going to be prevented from doing that. And then you've got various fringe events teachers hosting a whole bunch of them giving away free gin and tonic connick by the way if anybody listening all the booze will be there they might not even need to worry. We will be doing live coffee house shots because we had lines some exciting guests up the the most exciting guest list. Sat Cardini in this room conference and I'll just give the details details now for listeners you all still planning to Conservative Party. Conference is cheese days insecure Zane. I will give the exact room occasion on the next podcast and it's between alerted got into dating me a Gut Free Gin and tonics out the weirdly. Apparently we can't afford to prejean terrific for the Coffee House shots because 'cause the room's too big. It's only on the future of the real industry CETERA. Do you get to bring your own bottle anyway. Thank you phrase that thank you James and and do join us again tomorrow you too.
June 18: Sorry not sorry
"I told the court. To? Use One small man. Giant wheel. I do wish say official that I'm wrong person right now. Uncover season seven. Dead Wrong. Killed Tipple it the. Be. Available on CBC. Listen and wherever you get your podcasts. This is a CBC podcast. Hello! I'm Carol off and I'm Chris Ouden this is as it happens the podcast edition. Tonight. Sorry, not sorry and EP leader Jagmeet Singh tells us. He has no plans to apologize for calling the Bloc Quebecois MP racist and the House of Commons yesterday and he thinks it's time to rethink. What constitutes unparliamentary behaviour homes. Dane Joshua Contractors has been living in the united. States with the fear of deportation for years with a new Supreme Court ruling today is a new day for him and hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants, connecting the dots Canada is rolling out a national covid nineteen contact. Contact tracing up and privacy concerns abound. Blackberry is helping with their project. It's chief technical officer says Canadians should trust the process divided loyalties John, Bolton's book about Donald Trump is the talk of Washington, but Democrats have some choice words of their own for the former national security advisor, saying he chose book royalties over loyalty to his country and and despair, and some really wild quacking. We reach the scientists who things he has decoded the meaning behind the distinct toots and quacks made by Queen. And imprisoned heirs to the throne, we get to hear them to and the best laid plans. One invented a flying lawnmower. The other runs a lawnmower museum, but despite their enthusiasm for landscaping neither of tonight's guests from the archives is great at keeping a long story short as it happens the Thursday edition radio that keeps you coming back for more. Jug meets. Sing is not apologizing. The MVP leader was thrown out of the House of Commons yesterday for Calling Bloc Quebecois MP and Ontarians resist. He said after Mr Terry voted against an EP motion dealing with systemic racism in the RCMP. Today Bloc Quebecois, leader, Francois Blanchet called on Mr Sing to make amends. I hope. That the leader of the MD.. Will Apologize. sincerely. And if not I owed the president. Also, comments. Will be quite severe. Because if dion leap and alty is not being allowed into the room for one day or not being allowed to speak for one day. Everybody will feel entitled. To do the same and trade insults accusation on the floor, which is not a good idea. So I hope that this will be fixed. rapidly. And I Ask You. please. Explain to. The Canadian people. Watch, really happened. His anything with a racist person. That's Bloc Quebecois leader. Francois Blanchette reacting to an exchange between block. MP Atlanta an end. EP, leader Jagmeet Singh in the House of Commons yesterday. We reached Jug meeting today in Ottawa. Interesting, I'm going to begin with asking you. What did happen yesterday I mean? We heard you lay out the motion. The was to be a vote. You need a wanted to needed a unanimous votes. We heard the as in the know. What happened to provoke your reaction? We're we're in a moment where people have taken to the streets in the thousands across Canada in community, small and large, saying you know what black lives do matter indigenous lives, matter, and that moment has been really special. It's been painful. People have talked about the pain and. Agony that they've gone through their own experiences. And then the same time we've seen the RCMP at the heart of some horrible examples of police brutality, we all saw the images and the video of chief how an atom and the lives have been lost and have been killed by police in response to wellness checks or healthcare checks or mental health checks in light of all this. This and the inaction of Prime Minister Trudeau and the inaction of the Liberal government, we put Ford emotion to push for some real change, so we laid out one. Let's acknowledge there are systemic racism and the RCMP completely federal jurisdiction fully within the powers of the House of Commons to legislate. Let's acknowledge that in two. Let's do something about it, so use of force review. Emphasizing deescalation and then really responding to healthcare crises with healthcare workers in that moment. When motionless presented I was confident top. The speaker called for the consent and I heard a lot of days, and I was not surprised. I expected this with tough, and then there's one no, and the the speaker didn't hear it because it was so overwhelmingly. Yes, and was about to move forward, and that no repeat and I look back my saw one person in the entire House of Commons saying no. And and then I look back, and they kind of just made this gesture of dismissal, and that gesture of dismissal really is what I wanNA talk about eight. Is this notion that it doesn't matter? Can we need you to describe this gesture because this is? This has become key to this discussion. What was the gesture and describe what you think it means? saw I look back on that sign. MP wave their hand in a dismissive motion I while saying no, no of course not almost like. Of course, not, why would we support emotion like that and I thought how offensive to all the people, all the indigenous people, the black people, the race slides people that are fighting for change to just wave of a hand, dismiss and say no to something so vital in meaningful. And so, what did you say to Allenton? I called him a racist. You're racist for voting against US I I put my hands up saying how do you do that? And he said Yeah I did it and said how could you do that? I did it and I said. Racist for voting against us. Any challenge me to go outside. And then he and he raises voice and I said Yeah I'm calling you racist. This is wrong. This is wrong. I can't believe you voted against. This is wrong. Mr Bunch, says that by extension of coup accusing Antillean of being a racist that you are calling Bloc Quebecois. Racist Party that they were always this. He says that that they're not that Quebecer. They come from a nation of Quebec which is welcoming and open that they appreciate diversity Do you think the blockade qual- is a racist party? This is a really important question, and I don't WanNa take a moment. I have never named this. This experience I have not named a party I called a person but I will name a party. The systemic racism that we're up against was created by those in power. As far as I know the only two parties that have been empowering Canada have been either conservative or liberal, so let me name the parties that are responsible for systemic racism in Canada Liberal and Conservative, full stop. Do you think that? At least the Liberals that Prime Minister Trudeau has acknowledged systemic racism. He! Absolutely has and I and I want to know is A. Very positive step, but I just want to highlight that it enough to just say the right thing and the prime minister has. It's Nice Nice things, and in fact set some really kind words about what happened yesterday, and acknowledged that I appreciate that what people are demanding action, and while I know the prime minister said very positive things it is just not enough. We need to see the systemic change in fact and this. Say because I've been very critical of president trump, but in this moment president trump has actually moved more quickly to put in place changes to policing then Prime Minister Trudeau. Has That is? That is wrong because that's the reality. Whether any other. Parties are members who who voted no yesterday and that motion. You. I can't say with a hundred percent accuracy but I only heard one percent in the entire. House of Commons, it said no I did not hear no from either the Liberals or conservatives in fairness I wonder we just finally where you will take this from here because we just remembering different times when you have confronted racism in public and going back to when you were campaigning for the leadership that extraordinary moment, when that woman racist woman came up, and was talking to you, and you reached out to who said she's loved. She wanted to include her. You want to bring her into an understanding. Do, you think that you have changed your approach in that regard. No I think that is the only way for it and I. Don't think that the naming. Is Good enough we have to actually change the policies and the laws and so. While I. Don't take back calling out systemic racism. It can't just be calling. It has to be more than just calling. It has to be the systemic change and I want to really use my. that. We have to bring people along. It's gotTA. Be Through love, and and having the courage to to do what's necessary to make the changes and I still believe that Mr Blanchette said he thinks. Maybe you just had a bad moment that you lost it and he thinks that there's a way to move forward to patch this up to get past it. He doesn't want this to go on and on. What do you want to happen now? I agree that this is should never be about you know to. Peace should be about. HOW CAN WE FIGHT SYSTEMIC RACISM? And how can we bring in new policies and new laws to change it, so I feel like if anything can come out of this? It should be. Let's commit to making some changes some real changes. Let's say people's lives. Are you going to apologize? It's no longer about me if it was about just me I. I'm quick to apologize I. Believe in the principle of not having not letting egos get in the way, but it's gone beyond me, and people have looked at this as a moment where someone has finally stood up for them. People send me so many messages saying you know we face this in our lives. We face this for someone to just not back down makes us feel like matter. Racism sends a message that people don't matter, and in that could meet. People feel like they mattered and I don't WanNa. Take that away from people, so it's become important for you not to say you're sorry about this. Young would be. It would be a Kintu thing. I'm sorry for fighting stomach races now and I can't say that I'm sorry for fighting I. Don't apologize for wanting to. To Fourth Liberal government to do something I don't apologize for being upset that the House of Commons couldn't just acknowledge. You together united couldn't acknowledge that there is the RCMP which is so. I can't apologize for that. I'd be letting down to many people. Misusing thank you. Thank you very much. Chug meet sing as the leader of the federal and EP. We reached him in Ottawa this afternoon. We requested an interview Bloc Quebecois. Tehran and did not hear back by airtime. Hum. By this point, it's widely accepted that contact tracing is an integral part of any successful response to covid nineteen, but what exactly that looks like depends a lot on where you are and who you ask. When prime. Minister Justin Trudeau was asked today, he revealed a new tool that will be part of Canada's approach. Led by the Canadian digital service, and with the help of Sherifi blackberry and the government of Ontario, we've been working on a nationwide mobile APP. That will notify users if they've been exposed to covid nineteen. We will soon begin testing this APP in Ontario. They're already a number of other provinces including BC who are working with us on this, but it will be available to everyone in the coming weeks. Now I want to stress this APP will be completely voluntary. It'll be up to individual Canadians to decide whether to download the APP or not, but the APP will be most effective when as many people as possible have it? Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Sharing details of a new government endorsed contact tracing up. That will be rolling out across Canada in the weeks ahead. Charles Egan is the chief technology officer for blackberry which is involved in the development of the APP. We reached him in Ottawa. Charles I know a lot of people WANNA know. How does this work if they're actually going to assign on what what to give us the basics? Yes, so this contact tracing solution that the prime minister has just announced is basically when when two phones become close to one another as determined by the Bluetooth Signal That event is noted so that. in the future, if one of the people that have come in close contact. Test positive for covid nineteen. It's much easier to determine who they've been close to. They don't have to rely on their memory We can use the technology to help you know determine who might have been close to that unfortunate person that has just tested positive, so the phones note the fact that you've come close contact so later on, if someone test positive, the Apple, notify you that you've come in contact with someone who tested positive. And how do we know? How does they know that that person is tested positive? So an innovative part of the solution is when when someone has a test and they test positive. They're giving a code by a healthcare professional. the person that has been tested voluntarily puts that code into the APP, and then the APP very securely, and privately notifies all the other phones that it's come in contact with that. They've been close to someone who has tested positive with covert nineteen. So if I get a signal that tells me I have been in close contact with someone with covid nineteen. Does that mean is like? How much contact is that? Someone who was on on a bus with me? Someone walked by on the street. Someone working list. How how much contact you have to have before that's going to happen. Yes so the flexibility is you know? How long have you been near someone? Let's say it's ten minutes. Or how close have you been? And and so so you can trigger it to be more sensitive less sensitive, so the idea is. If you walk past someone on the street that would not register, but if you sit beside someone on the bus for ten minutes, and you're less than you know six feet apart, that probably would register so so there is a there's a configuration that allows us to. Give it the sensitivity that we want to. To determine that there's an increased risk and that sort of the healthcare tune -able per setting that we can do with the solution. Would I have any idea as to who it was that with whom I got into contact with lead, Cova. No not at all. So you know privacy has been designed into the solution. It's completely anonymous. You don't have any idea when or where that contact happened so that this privacy is protected. Okay, so this'll be a voluntary a program right? Yeah, it's completely opt in, and you can opt out at any time. The more people that opt in the the more chance of providing this additional information to help help fight the pandemic. And how convinced I e that it would be entirely voluntary I mean what are the possibilities that employers might want there and might even make it necessary as a condition of going back to work that they download this APP. I, you know. Carolina not heard that that that scenario I think as the prime minister line. This is completely voluntary. It's it's not a employer led activity A. Citizen led activity and and and I expect that that's the way it will be rolled out, but if it becomes something is is crucial to knowing whether it's safe in a work environment safe to go back to work I mean if a lot of things depend on this. kind of technology, don't they? And so, what kinds of pressure might have been on? People actually be part of this program. Yes, so so so I i. You know in terms of the the employer. incentive for employees to use this APP. It's not something that I've really thought about so I'm not sure what the comment on that one I do believe that there's other techniques that employers could use to provide the safety. You know just by information, and you know distancing of employees in the workplace so that they're not coming in contact. We've also seen those safer facemasks where it was completely voluntary, but but encouraged to wear face mask, and now increasingly it's going to be the condition of getting on a bus or subway or being places that you're wearing a face mask. Do you think that this might evolve? you know I hope that a lot of people opt in given the it. It sort of at least amount of information. You collect enough to be useful, but but there's not any personal information that's being shared here. You know I expect. There's more privacy being shared with people's flashlight APP and Kovic nineteen up, and there's a you know a social good. That comes along with the Covid Nineteen Solution it's people share on personal information on facebook and everything else. Roller carpet to the red carpet brother in in other ways sometimes now. How does it become national as the prime minister was saying that it was going to be a nation wide program? Alberta has already launched its own APP So, how does that complicate things as far as having a having national adoption of this APP? Yeah so the the healthcare back in is the tuning that's required for for each province, but the solution that the CDs has announced with will work on a like that one single apple work for all Canadians, and it's being. It's being first introduced in Ontario, but as the healthcare cans are added I, it will be effective for for the entire province. So so you know how it ties into Berta. I'm not completely sure I think we're you know we're in early days of the deployment, and that's really in the hands of the CDs. Canadian digital services is that serious justice? And finally, when might this rule out? You know prime. Minister Trudeau mentioned in the next several weeks for very soon. All Right? They're interesting Charles thank you. My pleasure, thank you very much. Charles Egan is the chief technology officer for blackberry, which is consulting on the rollout of covid nineteen context tracing up endorsed by Canada's federal government. We reached him today in Ottawa. Human Queens have their own way of communicating orders. They can just articulate what they want with words by saying for example off with his head, or please help me shampoo the Corgis, but Queen Bees issue their orders non verbally in a way that to human ears doesn't sound very regal. Hurt At. act. That is the sound of Queen honeybees in a hive. They are tuning in quacking. We knew they did that, but now scientists at Nottingham Trent University decoded why they do it. Their study is published this week in the Journal scientific reports. Martin benchick was the lead scientist on the study and we've reached him in Nottingham England. Madness, first of all, what would the previous theories as to why honeybees made these different sounds, so we're talking queen honeybees and the striking feature. Is that these sounds or responding to each other? They'll do it and so beekeeper scientist race, the theory that perhaps it's queens sizing each other up. So the idea that these queens and potential queens are speaking to each other, and with these tooth's in quacks with within the colony. That's right so They are competitors and visual evidence that they will fight each other. If they resigned colony together and in biological world, people and animals tried to avoid unnecessary fight. If you see your opponent is wealthier to you, there is no point in stopping the fight. So one idea is that these signals where queen sizing each other up to avoid the hub and unnecessary physical fights. And what have you discovered? What do you think is the reason why they make these toots and quacks, so an alternative explanation, the to and quacks or signals sent to the colony. And we have strong evidence. Supporting that idea, we think these signals are information released to the Queen to thing would say something like if she was speaking English she would say keep the quacking queens captive. This is what she's saying to have. And the quacking Queens. They'll attending the colony release us, release. Something like an English. That's quite translation so. Okay, so it's not just that they're. You figured out what they're probably saying, but it's who they're saying. They're not talking to each other. They're talking to the other. The worker bees I like that I like that I like what you're highlighting, indeed I think. The breakthrough is to suggest that the signals are actually social communication signals to the society, not between two individuals, but they'll signals regulating the social behavior and I think that he's what's surprising, and I think it makes much more sense than other explanations and again we have substantial evidence to support that you. Can listen to them again if we can hear the sounds of toots and clocks. Off! So maisy so now that we're hearing it in this context. What tells a bit more about what you think that conversation is? The first one you heard was the tooting, and this is definitely a a free roaming queen. And I think she's saying Keep the Queen's skeptics. So. The other Queens quaking that was the second signal. You Quack, quack, quack, and these queens already to emerge. They'll ready to come out. I, think that perhaps they'll saying release us. Let me go out from the cell. And as long as the -tuting resides in the colony, we have seen that the quaking keeps going on so indeed the work of keeping the other queens captive, and as soon as the tooting disappears then one cracking queen is released, and she starts shooting. Where does the tooting Queen Go? she forums away, so she leaves the books. We have the worker bees, and she tries to establish a new colony somewhere else is usually in a cavity. You are lucky in Canada to have substantial woodland, so is usually in a hollow tree that she would try and start a new, so it's the splitting of the colony into several colonies. It's the reproduction phenomenon, and then what becomes of the quacking Queens so we. We then measure after the swamp off. The team has gone. We collect a new two teams three to four hours later, so the work at these must have released one quacking queen, Jude to the absence of the tooting that was in the colony. Do any of the quacking cleans? Never get released? They just once. You're saying release me. Release me from this this wax prison. Do they ever get sort of like left there? that or multiple the quacking Queens? That's all the more or less simultaneously that you heard on the recording. Cooking is usually simultaneous. You will have several individuals cracking, and it's a problem to release them, and the mechanism is not perfect, and we'll have occasionally two to three queens release. They're very strong. Animals strong that the wikileaks so sometimes the more than one queen will be released in the colony I've seen myself. But no, they They all come out. Eventually I have never seen. quacking Queen, remaining Steve and locked forever dying something like this I have never seen it in my life. They will eventually come out the problem is. To avoid too many of them to come out together similtaneously. Were they have worker, bees and drones etcetera to take someplace else or they just sort of be at the at the end of the one hundred left behind the he's sometimes the case, but worker bees or two inches yesterday they make too many Virgin Queens, and indeed they run out of staff and the smallest last forms to exit the colony or This is fascinating, but why is this important? I mean th. There are beekeepers who need this information right? The idea is that we think the to and quacking is fulfilling very sophisticated, important mechanism in Dakota knee, and what we're saying the to the beekeepers is to be careful, because when this period of time takes place in the year. It's usually April to me. we suggest that to be very careful to disrupt this mechanism, which is warranty in the old lead release of one queen at a time in inside the colony, and this is absolutely fascinating, I really appreciate you explaining this to us, thank you. Thank you my pleasure! Thank you so much. 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Dreamers were able to breathe a sigh of relief today this morning. The United States Supreme Court blocked the trump administration's attempts to end the DACA program. DACA stands for deferred action for childhood arrivals. It's an Obama era policy that protects hundreds of thousands of. Immigrants who were brought to the US as children from being deported in two thousand seventeen, the trump administration announced it was winding down the program and gave Congress six months to figure out new legislation. Josh contrast is a doctor recipient. The twenty-three-year-old came to the US for Mexico. When he was eight. We reached him in Tampa. Cash, what was your reaction when you heard the decision at the Supreme Court? Whoa my reaction honestly Carol. I broke down. I broke down crying immediately after I heard the decision. I read that decision It's been a very stressful few weeks. we all knew the decision was going to be made in June so it's been every single week kind of thing we've been I've been checking other nonprofit oryx that I've been touched as well have been checking pretty much week by week when the next. Days will be scheduled on usually on Mondays and Thursdays. So. We knew this one was coming up I thought it was going to actually be extended until July so today was actually very surprising for me, and so, what does that mean for you I mean this. Is it for you? Personally? What what effect does it have on you that? The deferred action for childhood arrivals is not going to be canceled. It means a lot. It means a lot because not only does this week with childhood arrivals being still the rule. They are for us, but for me. It means hope I'm very inspired by all the activism that was done for not just myself for many many. People as well and just activism that has been done for over ten years, before the decision of the fruit action for childhood arrivals Obama as an twelve especially in the United States currently in the environment that we're living of racial injustice, not only for the immigrant community, but also for our LGBT community. The Trans Community are black community it proves a point that activism dust, work and effective all the way that can make it happen to the supreme. Court and not only did they ruled today in my favor by on. Monday they also ruled in my favorite because I am gay, so this week has just been amazing for me, but. Today, we celebrate tomorrow we continue the fight. Only a small celebration for me okay. Wasn't the celebration Donald Trump who said that these two decisions you've just described by both affect your life in the supreme. Court, he described it as the supreme. Supreme Court doesn't like me, and this has been shotgun blast to the face. What. What what what? What do you say to to Donald Trump about what he wants to do? Just talk about the this, Daca. Project now. What what? What do you want to tell him as to why? He should not dismantle it. I think today's decision proves a it's. It states very strong point from the court, saying that nobody is above the law including the president of the United States and that includes Donald Trump in itself and I think that it presents a very strong points of the president's for months away from the election. And like I said today, we celebrate, but. In November, we will say goodbye to trump because what's next for me, it's this is not over. You know I'm GonNa. Continue my activism, and just because I I I can't vote. I can still encourage people to vote. And were for months away from the election. That's not a very That's a very short period of time so we're hoping for November to have a good as well not only for myself, but for the nation. You're twenty three years old now. You came to the United States from Mexico and you're eight years old. Is that right? got. His correct and if DACA was this if it was canceled if you didn't have that that deferred action for childhood arrivals. What would happen to you? I would have lost my opportunity to continue my education. I actually stopped going to college last year because I personally didn't want to continue and. Spent so much money on something that could have been revoked. Saw I decided to not go to school and I decided to continue working I've been blessed to be able to work for an amazing company It's transfer wise. I work for Public Affairs Team and they've supported me one hundred percent but if today are, the outcome would have been different. I would have lost the opportunity to continue my employment with transfer wise. Old They've supported me. One hundred percent, said an amicus brief directly to the Supreme Court with other tech companies but I would have lost my employment. I would have had to come up with a a backup planned This is the only country that I've known or all. My life since I was eight years old and this is the only home that I know so if today's ruling would have been differently it would have not only affected my entire life, but it would affected. The economy might company my family. My friends would affected every single person around me and I do have to do with this possible that you would have been sent to Mexico. Absolutely my work. Permit expires next year May. Of next year, And that was the fear, so it wasn't something that was guaranteed so the petition, but it's always that fear of deportation and you know Carol growing up as a kid undocumented. You know. My parents always told me to give this story that was not true by myself to tell my friends tell my teachers that I came to this country legally, and this was the story that I was supposed to give every time and full I just didn't think that was stride lying and also like me growing up as being gay, you know it took a toll on me. So this means a lot to me because it meant means that I can be my true self. Josh! I'll be watching and thank you for speaking with us. Thank you for the interview. Carol appreciate it bye. Bye. Josh Contra is a doctor recipient. We reached him in Tampa Florida today's supreme. Court ruling did leave the door open for the trump administration to make another attempt to rescind the DACA program. When John Bolton declined to testify before the house impeachment inquiry last December, the former national security advisor said he was doing things by the book, but now Democrats are suggesting his real motivation was to get folks to buy his book. In that new book, which is scheduled to vote on Tuesday Mr Bulletin says Congress should have investigated US president, Donald Trump not just for his dealings with the president of Ukraine, but with other leaders as well the book describes Mr Trump as incompetent and says he showed a willingness to intervene in criminal investigations quote to in effect give personal favors to dictators. He liked on quote. Today House Speaker, Nancy Pelosi weighed in on John Bolton and his accusations during an interview with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell. Here's part of that conversation for the record. Ask You about John Bolton's book, because in his there are new revelations including the president at that summit, the G. Twenty Summit as President Xi of China for help winning him reelection, helping buying soybeans from American farmers to help him win reelection which would seem to be. Akin to what he? Reportedly, with Ukraine also the president, not knowing that the United Kingdom is a nuclear power, saying that flat and re Putin can play them like a fiddle the president praising President Sheaves for concentration camps, holding the Muslim. your reaction to all of this. I said already the president ethically unfit. Intellectually, unprepared, personally unqualified to be president of the United States and I think that what we're seeing in some of the statements of those who have served the president. To see that point confirmed as far as the book is concerned. The. Shame on John Bolton for not coming forth during the impeachment, he wants it con. Con with the far right by saying. Oh, I'm criticizing the Democrats for not of going further in the impeachment, but the fact is, he refused. To to receive a subpoena from the House of Representatives, he said he would only receive from the Senate well, he knew the Senate would never issue one, so he chose royalties in this book and said of patriotism to our country. Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaking with MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell today. Part. Lots of people have grass in their yards, but not all those grass covered yards our lawns, because dictionary definitions of lawn include one qualifier for example from Merriam Webster ground as around the house, or in a garden or park that is covered with grass and is kept mode. Now, the LAWNMOWER was invented in eighteen thirty, as we all know by Edwin, beard budding, and because we already know it, I don't need to rehash his inspiring story or his famous quote. I invented the LAWNMOWER, and it goes without saying that Mr Budding made all subsequent lawnmower developments possible including. The achievement, of Kevin, cleary a British butcher who invented a more that was maybe a little, too cutting edge of flying lawnmower. Barbara from spoke with Mr Cleary, Nineteen seventy-six. Hi Mr Clarrie. Hello. We understand. You've got a flying lawnmower there is it for sale? No. Quite enjoy. What do you call him? Can it also cut the grass. That's good. If, it crashes to the ground too many times. Though maybe it'll all come apart on you. Know crashed into a tree one. But fortunately. It well. You didn't trim any branches it. Is this a product. You've been working on for some time. Two years is the full. Nine of. INTRIGUING IDEAS People in high-rise block the window. When you go to this place, there's normally align of the across that a few helicopters and nothing to the kids up. So long same the appropriate thing. What keeps this thing in the air. Has It got wings? You rely on the grass catcher. Has No wings. Just a flat platform Monday. aerodynamically sound a lawnmower. no he's on Iran. Originally. But. It wasn't very clever flying his. So. It's down to the pilot skill. Is this a conversion job or a custom built lawn more? Mock run was a from Russian. And we couldn't find. That toilet, so we had to another one special features. Have you built into? Get an airborne. the engines now on the front. With propeller. and it has either on Purnea crossed on the back. And a little girl. It's the anybody. In order for up and down. Now, how improved latest version what can it do? Loop. WRONG SPIN retail that you to. As far as you can see so, this isn't just an ordinary flying lawnmower. well, it's. A robotic. Airshows. But we try to tell them. We've got lying all they tell us we made. which you are of course. Not Really. What's next? What will mark five? Be Able to do well cry. into has. A road on the back, but whether it will fly with a roller. No idea at the moment. And we go. Think is on another project. Which is even more insane off. which is that what's next? Pig. Animal! Miss Piggy is going to fly. Or. Do you mean a real pig? No. Laws police starring. Take full size. What will it do? We hope it will be clear about it. And the cow jumped over the moon. I'm serious. Well. It's a marvelous achievement Mr Mr. Going to be seen to be believed I'm afraid. Every photographers just rode up with laughter and or legal teach that the governor consoling well. It sounds like you have to be there to really appreciate it. Nice to talk to you, congratulations. From nineteen seventy-six Bubba from talking to Kevin, cleary inventor of the flying lawnmower, which weirdly did not take off. I don't know if Mr Clear is scary. Innovation is among the exhibits at the British Lawnmower Museum in Merseyside, but that Louvre of care does contain dozens of other amazing things, most of which are lawnmowers. The museum is the creation of Brian Random and in Nineteen ninety-one Michael Enron found out more about his collection of splendors in the grass and be warned. You'll hear the story of Edwin Beard Budding for the millionth time. Mr Adam. Why does the world need a Lawnmower Museum of all things? I'm not quite sure if the world's ready for alimony. It's machines that I've collected over the lost. And over twenty years that we're all destined for the scrap yard and I just could not bring myself to throw them away. This nearly a hundred altogether. Hundred. Where do you keep them there all and Oppose the shop where I. which is in in south for near Liverpool. England! All of those the shop. Back, she's A locksmith a garden machinery shops. This passion for Lawn mowers. And when I was brought loan loss, and when last school I went to work for a little more company, and it Sorta stem from that, my father went to in a hardware shop. And we although MOS in three pass, and once they got to sit and age. There's no spare parts available for them and they went straight to this. scrappy out, and some of them were so well built and. Designed and everything that I just couldn't bring myself to do it. What's the oldest you have the oldest one? This moment in time is eight hundred eighty green grains made in Leeds, in England and it's a push from. One of the features on it, besides and not to pay. They didn't have the materials and technology today. Everything was my doubts. Gastein out Capstein gays to drive it. All the CAS- timeframe and he's very heavy. the. The other difference on not source of age machine is the handles quite a lot lower than modern machine because people are not day. Were she also grow? Grow is still. Wet. Who invented the lawn more I don't know anything know. Edwin, voting with the first person to manufactured long put paint until. Edwin Edwin beard budding who lived in Pasta. And England and eighteen think. He took an idea from It was from one of the woolen mills, and they saw he saw this machine that was coaching the nap off the top of woollen cloth as if you wanted to MOA carpet gets little bit so. And then He. He made one it. Also cut the grass, and that's where it stemmed from and in the last. Hundred and fifty years. That style of machine is never changed. It is still the same basic principle. What is your favorites model? My. Favorite one would have to be a little colder as manufactured by JP engineering they would. They started in nineteen, twenty two, and rather than a more company, really a precision engineering. Company, but they they made. Long. it was top quality everything was. A low more was home built from by one professional craftsmen, and from start to finish. and the quality was so good at. and. Later on Rolls. Royce bought the company and they carried on producing almost. And Nineteen nineteen seventy was the last ones that came out in the country, literally the Rolls Royce of lawnmowers. US Yeah I mean. There's lots of good loan on the market, but that was certainly one of them. Thank you for talking to us. Okay? Right all right. Good bye now! Ryan Rodham has just opened the world's first lawnmower museum in Southport, and that's just a few blades of grass north of reading. From, Nineteen ninety-one Allen May Lyndon before him. Like right speaking with Brian Random Creator and curator of the British lawnmower museum. You've been listening to the as it happens podcast. Our show can be heard Monday to Friday on CBC Radio One non Sirius Xm following the world at six. You can also listen to the whole show on the CBC. Listen APP. Download it free from the APP store or from Google play. Thanks for listening I'm off and I'm Chris Hallam. For, more CBC PODCASTS GO TO CBC DOT CA slash podcasts.
U.K. Allows Chinese Telecom Giant Huawei To Help Build 5G Network Over U.S. Objection
"The UK says it will let hallway. The Chinese telecom giant provide equipment to build the five G. Network there this despite president trump's repeated insistence is that way is a security threat for more returned to NPR's Frank Langfitt. He is in London a frank. I'm Mary Louise is start with this bit about the security threat does the UK agree that way is security threat. They do what they say we can handle it. And so they laid this out today. What they're basically saying they're going to do is have alway- work? On the periphery of the network with only thirty. Five percent market share So this may mean antennas things like that but will not be allowed anywhere near intelligence networks here certainly not nuclear plants and military sites. So they're basically saying is yes we recognize. There's some risk here and we have a way to mitigate it why is the UK UK interested in working with way at all given the trump administration says not only. Are They Ariss but you should ban them. Yeah I think it's a commercial decision in a lot of ways a while it it was already integrated into the four G. system here and if they turned around and ban them they'd have to take it out. That would slow down the roll out of five G. and of course you got brexit at the the end of this week the UK's leaving the EU the economy. Here's already taken something of hit and prime minister. Boris Johnson is very clear he does not want to fall behind On the Internet wise also the number one telecom supplier does offer competitive. Pricing is true and So they figured that this is. This is sort of a middle road. They will help the economy and doesn't pose too much of a threat. I'm curious because how to handle Has Been Controversial here in the US. Has it been controversial in Britain written. Yeah it was really interesting to watch the House of Commons after this was announced and there were a number of members of Boris Johnson. Party who came out and said they thought this is a bad idea that it was too dangerous. One person pointed out that you know. The hallway has close ties to the Communist Party which he described as having eight deeply hostile hostile intelligence network and approach to things. So there's definitely discomfort even in Johnson's own party about this. I want to ask about reaction from two quarters. I'll start with the trump administration. This is not the decision they wanted to see. Boris Johnson and his government take knowing they repeatedly told him not to do this The official word out of the White House speaking to NPR. It was disappointment and the quote was. There's no safe option for untrusted vendors to control any part of the fight. Gt Network. Of course Mike Pompeo Secretary of state will be here tomorrow and Thursday and we'll see if there's any retaliation There have been threats of potentially reducing intelligence sharing between the UK and the US which are incredibly incredibly close allies in. What is why? We're always happy. But they're not growing. They know how to handle this. They say they were assured by the decision And Ren Junk Zhang Fei of course. It's worth reminding people that he's the founder. He saying his firm would never harm. A client would never do anything like this. But David Davis a former cabinet minister here just in the House of Commons earlier today saying of course Chinese companies if the intelligence services in China. Ask them to do something. They don't have any choice that it is not a rule of law stated as one party party state worth noting frank. This is happening the week of Brexit on Friday the the UK officially leaves the EU. Are there implications for for Europol the report. Broadly there are in fact. I think tomorrow we're GONNA see draft guidelines come out of the European Union and what we expect something pretty similar. The European Commission is probably going to recommend against the ban but imposing strict rules on any company that wants to develop five G. and that will provide cover for some member states who wanna work with Wa for for all the obvious commercial reasons and Pierce Frank Langfitt in London. Thank you frank. Happy to do it Mary Louise.
The Evening Briefing: Wednesday, March 4
"Good evening I'm Chris. Price with the briefing from the Telegraph. It's Wednesday march to the fourth and we're being told a corrosive are separate. Democ is likely in the UK so the big development today is the news the number of corona virus cases in the UK is up to eighty five. It's jumped thirty. Four in a single died. That's up two-thirds and this morning Britain's chief medical officer said it looks like we're moving into an epidemic in the UK burst. Johnson gave a response at prime minister's questions for employees diagnosed with Corona virus. He announced plans for emergency legislation allowing them. To claim statutory sick. Pay From Day. One at present you can only start claiming after four days. Acharon of our live. Blog is the place to find. The latest major developments of easily many sporting events constant. Some festivals are being affected by restrictions aimed at halting the spread of the disease and we have a live blog dedicated just to change his to cultural events. The House of Commons was the scene of some fiery exchanges earlier. Boris Johnson made a robust defense of his home secretary. Pretty PATEL AFTER JEREMY. Cobaine highlighted reports of new bullying complaints against her during Prime Minister's questions. The Labour leader claimed the controversy had seen tens of thousands of tax payers. Money backed up the wall to settle complaints at poetics. Lifelock has the latest reaction and the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge is tour of Ireland has thrown up the obligatory pictures of them a pint of Guinness but the moment caught on camera showed Prince William Joking about unwittingly spreading corona virus. You can watch him as he chatted about the growing crisis with emergency workers. It comes ahead of a reception tonight. Were he'll talk about Britain's relationship with Ireland how? He remembers the troubles from his childhood. Right stay put. If you're listening on WHATSAPP MESSENGER those links now if listening spotify or wherever you get your posture on them in the show notes as well as links to Tim Stanley on what. Donald trump will be rubbing his hands as the rice of the Democrat nomination becomes a battle between Biden and Bernie and where might hurricane go? If he decides to leave Tottenham in the summer that set you up to date more from Danny tomorrow morning.
US budget deficit hits $984 billion.
"Coming up on five minute news the Justice Department Miss give the House Muehler grand jury evidence. US budget deficit honest verified and truthful World News daily but no date is set. It's Friday October twenty five I'm Anthony Davis urged at twice that rate spending increased for defense programs and for the government's big benefit programs for the elderly Social Security and Medicare Judge Barrel Hal ordered the department turnover the materials by October thirtieth a Justice Department spokeswoman said it was reviewing the decision what's the budget showed that revenue rose four percent in the two thousand nineteen budget year which ended on the thirtieth of September but that spending Justice Department said it couldn't provide grand jury material under existing law DOJ is wrong she wrote while the White House and its Republican allies argued impeachment is illegitimate without a formal vote she later added a house resolution has never in fact been required the billion dollars its highest point in seven years and is widely expected to top the trillion dollar mark in coming years the twenty six percents in a seventy five page ruling accompanying the order how slashed through many of the administration's arguments for withholding materials from Congress while the a judge today ordered the US Justice Department to give the House secret grand jury testimony from special wealthy and corporations will pay for their programs against that backdrop budget deficits are on track to keep rising therefore raising the national debt eighteen trump tax cut and budget deal that added billions in spending for military and domestic programs forecasts by the trump administration also rejected the Justice Department segment that impeachment isn't a judicial proceeding under the law for which the information could be disclosed as a percentage of the economy to its highest point since the end of World War Two we'll stay above one trillion dollars over the next decade those projections stand in stark contrast Donald Trump's campaign promises that even with counsel Robert Mueller's Russia Investigation anding victory to Democrats who wanted for the impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump chief. US District can you in the coming days the talks came after UK chancellor saggy Javid admitted the government's deadline to deliver brexit next Thursday con Avenue lost initially from his tax cuts he would be able to eliminate the federal budget deficit with cuts in spending and increased growth generated by the tax cut until thirty first of January twenty twenty you can subscribe to five minutes yeah while pledging to protect social security and other benefit programs many of the Democratic presidential candidates have said they will roll back trump's tax cuts Asian and the Congressional Budget Office project that the deficit will top a trillion dollars in the current budget year and the C. B. O. estimates that the deficit how it plans to vote a source close to the French President Emmanuel Macron said he did not believe a brexit extension was justified unless the U K be met Boris Johnson said he was waiting for the EU to decide what they want to do. MP's are expected on Monday to consider the Prime Minister's Cole edged from the two thousand eighteen deficit of seven hundred seventy nine billion dollars that the government reported today reflected such factors as revenue lost from the twenty-seven the chances of Enough MP's backing the motion for an election which requires the support of two thirds of the House of Commons appear uncertain with Labor not committing the US federal deficit for the two thousand nine hundred seven budget year surged to nine hundred eighty four the material covered by house odor includes redacted grand jury material mentioned in the Miller