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"Turn it up for the winter studios in america's greatest city of chicago. What three five. Kiss up an iheartradio station. It's the fred toward morning. Everybody sees thursday december seventeenth. Fred show is on good morning. Fam- how's everybody morning. We're good Very important day. Today is the day until noon where you stop by dunkin and get any large extra large hot coffee seventy. That's not to say somebody on our show with him. This morning and got was an thought that they were helping and got an iced coffee. That is not to say that. This evening's happen directions around here What are those So this morning any dunkin stop in and get a A large or extra-large. Hot coffee between now and noon and one dollar of your purchase automatically goes to our friends at lurie children's hospital of chicago so you don't even have to do anything special to stroll through get your coffee and then boom. You're helping out at the same time. So i get till noon today new here. We say about thirty seven times until noon so Please help us out this morning. Waiting by the phone is coming up at a couple of minutes from the hall of fame. Why the second date for this couple then the entertainment report. What he had their kaylin. You guys he's the new dr fauci. Wait till you hear. He does so. He doesn't catch the virus. He's he's hot on the medical. You know trail you hold on to act like that doesn't show la turn it up. Well fits may maybe storing showbiz. Shelly new player in the showdown one hundred and three dollars and fifty cents in today's the day as well Very very momentous Hsun in other words to describe the magnitude of what's happening this morning conic iconic. I thought you guys would forget. It is the throwback throwdown faceoff for the championship of twenty twenty rubio versus kaelin. And this is for the bell this is for all the marbles will rubio give up his title from twenty nineteen. We'll find out eight. Oh five on kiss. Kiss the fred show money. Why were you left waiting by the phone. Are you andy. i'm great. how are you guys doing well Welcome to the show. Let's hear about vicky you guys met on bumble and then what happened yet. Remember buffalo with painted numbers We went out and it was really really good date. I really liked the I think we had a lot of chemistry and after we went back to my place We yes yes yes we hooked up it was awesome and but now she goes thing I i'm very honest so we did bump into my ex while we were on the date but that was the only negative thing that happened on the day campus. I'm hoping we can just get past that because like i. I'm not with my completely over at the motor hurts out and you just have. It'd be the same play kind of thing. Like i know just past crossbows go into that. Yeah i in control that you know like Control my act. I cannot and and obviously if the hookup and all of that that usually means good things so we'll figure out vicki's calling you i she goes to you. We'll see if we can get her on. The phone asks these questions and and we'll go from there. You'll be on the phone to. I don't want you to say anything right at first but at some point definitely come in and hopefully we can straighten all this out and set you guys up on another date and then we'll pay for that one optime appreciate that you got it. Can you hang on for a second. Let's see what happens next parts of waiting by the phone right after arianna back in two minutes of the french show. What three five arianna is. What three five kiss. Fm chicago's number one. Hit music station. Good morning everybody to fred. Show is on par to of waiting by the phone andy. Welcome let's call. Vicky you guys met on bumble had a great date you hooked up. You thought i mean this is all good. Everything was going really well. You fully expected to hear from her for another date or or have her respond to you and she's ghosting you and you wanna know what's up at right. Yeah okay. let's call her now. Good luck Hi vicky vicky friends in the morning radio show on kiss. fm in chicago. And i'm started bother you. But i have to tell you before. We went any further with us that we are on the radio. And i need your permission to continue with the calls. I don't care if we talk for a minute Sure okay thank you or calling because we we met a guy named andy says he met you bumble and you guys went on a date and that he thought went really well and and he says you're not responding to him for another day. Do you remember this guy. Couldn't forget him. Oh for good or bad reasons. I assume that good because you're him what happened while on came on your date because he he did admit that you ran into his ex on the day. But it was a coincidence and just passing. Showed up to his house like we were on his pal. Doing what we're doing and we literally hear a bang on the window and it says ex girlfriend like a to the point like she literally came around to the dog ignore popped her head. It was like screen. There was no bumping into the restaurant. What was his reaction. What does he do is discharge her away. Or what is he doing at out. You don't know she means nothing to me. Like don't worry but like i should go talk to a really fast and you might need to like pop out the back windows doesn't do he told you to like hop out the window. What a cycle girl in the second. Well but maybe there's more to the story. I forgot to mention that. Andy is here. I apologize andy okay. This is not the way that you portray this. This is than i did. I can't control the actors of my act. I did tell you that. I really can't be these not so if not clearly why are you. Why are you. Why is it relief to have her sneak out and you go talk to this crazy person. Why don't you just call the cops or something or maybe you're the crazy one. Is everything being. Are you being fully transparent here. The i'm being frank. Let me go to the front to talk to her to calm her down. You know and built for safety. I just wanted to get out of the harm's way here which is in my face. The i i just keeping my distance from you regardless of whether or not you should have talked to her. I wouldn't even want to be in this situation because what's gonna happen next. You know what i mean. Where what else is she going to do. If she's crazy. Well i told her never to. My house again. Caller crazy and she won't. I'm back now. That i said that she sounds like a rational person through your dog. This is gonna do. That isn't really gonna. He'd like sane advice on my light restraining order You go out the back window with like my phone. You knew this issue anti because Otherwise you wouldn't have made it seem so passive like you guys didn't bump into each other and the in the you know entry way to tgi. Fridays man she was trying to climb into your house and like who knows what a. Yeah yeah all right look everything. I don't know that he can get this control. But let's say vicky. Andy can can manage this somehow. Did you like him. otherwise would you. Would you consider another day if we pay for it. Absolutely not did i. I enjoyed my time up to that point. But i do not need all this crazy life. Find another way to get brady. You gotta get that under control man. I'm sure that's a pain in the ass but you got to figure that one out and sounds unstable lipton. I try okay. Well they lock Vicky side interested so thank you for your time and good luck to you. Best of luck to both of you. Moving forward all right. Let's get into the entertainment report with kaelin up to the second hollywood news and gossip next after eight. Max becca two minutes on the french fuel one zero three five five kiss up the latest entertainment news is on the fred show. Tirees tires tirees So tyree said that. He sleeps with the heat on ninety degrees to stop the corona virus. Really yes so. The i would never. It would never work between us because ninety degrees no way not a chance. I got it on like sixty sixty five house. Which i'm surprised they don't have. The corona virus is sixty five so he said one of my one of my secret. You'd ninety doesn't sound insane to your sixty five. I would much rather have sixty five He said one of my secrets for staying cova free is i sleep with the heat ninety degrees every night l. ben sleeping at this time for fifteen years so it's nothing new but rumor. Has it if you catch. Cova doesn't survive in warm temperatures. You are such a moron so people obviously slammed him. One person said If normal body temp is ninety eight point six his logic hurts my brain and then my personal favorite was Someone said him sleeping at ninety degrees for fifteen years. explain so much and it does like something grease. Yeah i mean if the houses sixty the room is sixty five or whatever you can always warm yourself up more blankets and whatever but if it's ninety degrees words if it's hot it's very difficult to call yourself off but if i'm hot i sleep theme. I get so frustrated. If i'm hot when i'm trying to sleep because i need a blanket. You want your feet out and all. I don't know he's not in. This proves so. Remember you guys. About how warner brothers on their entire twenty twenty one film slate. We'll stream on. Hbo max at the time that it plays in theaters well. The movie theaters are considering some revenge. Now which we kind of knew was gonna come. Amc and cinemark are considering dropping ticket prices for wire brothers. Slow that they would almost nothing. Yes yeah the theaters. How does it work. How does the how does the money split work. How does it benefit them to not make more money. I thought they had to pay the the movie. Companies like a base amount. Anyway i don't know but they're all everything is changing so they're also considering That if they do things that way that they're going to only carry the films on title by title basis. So i think sometimes like they would just do a blanket deal with them with warner brothers and then you know work something out but they're gonna go title by title and then if they can screw them out of money they might do that. Wow i just. I just actually google google curious. How movie movies make money you portion of theater ticket sales go to a go to theater. Owners were the studio and distributor getting the remaining money studio might make sixty percent of a films ticket sales in the us Twenty to forty percent of that. So i guess if they i mean they're not gonna make as much money but yeah right. The theaters would neither so right. And then that connects. Because i think just going to say fine. We'll we'll more heavily promote the in-house viewing or in-home ewing or whatever and people are more likely to do that right now. Anyway so yeah. But if i can go see a movie for like dollar i mean you'll get the rhoda nine dollars then i might be like if i spend a dollar a movie. I might be more inclined to buy concessions. You know what i'm saying is like if i go to a movie and pay fifteen dollars. I don't know if i'm going to spend another twenty dollars on popcorn and the soda so again. The the main reason to not go. It'd be covet. So why does what. Like like the court. So good lamey. The movie theaters are doing everything they can to prevent kobe there. They're doing everything. I'm i'm gonna go regardless. Probably but i'm i'm saying urologic for now it's a dollar now you're willing to go as opposed to before i'm not going to know no i went either way. 'cause i like seeing movies in theaters but like i'm just saying like i'd be more inclined to buy more at the movie theater if the ticket price was cheaper right. I mean. i'm not saying that they're going to do this. I know that they're they're kind of brainstorming. Is that they could cause. And i understand and i'm sure they'll have. They'll promote at home viewing because they know majority of people are scared But yeah so. That's one of the go. Go ahead reviewing no it. Also because like a lot of these films like the wonder woman movie. That's coming out On christmas day that's doing both theater and the pump streaming. The a lot of these movies are now filmed for like i max for like the viewing and it just sucks. If you can't get that same experience just seeing it in your. So it'd be. I think they would because they said they might go title by title. So they're like oh this is going to be big and it's going to be better in theaters okay. Maybe we'll take this one in still not give them as much money. It's no win for everybody because movies upfront. Have all investment in the movie theater or the the The production companies or whatever. They had to pay They had to pay for it all the sets in the crew. Whatever so they're they have all this money tied up. So what are they supposed to do. They're supposed to do in the need future revenue to make more movies. So what are they supposed to hang on to all this until everybody has a vaccine and they can reopen the could be that can be forever so then you screw the movie theaters or you do it this way and at least you can come out with new content. So that when down the road win. Hopefully these these leaders if they survived to reopen will. Then there's something there like nobody wins for them. And and maybe i don't know it seems like kim fettering waiting would be a good idea for them. I don't know you know if they can hold onto a project for that long back Spoiler alert if you are really deepen the masked singer game i'm about to. I can't believe this. okay. I'm glad believe it The only person on our show watched every single episode. Rubio can't believe it. I just wait till you hear the who the winner was he. Can't i saw a singer. Leann rimes dresses. The sun love that. That's why i would want to be. She wasn't the winner. Was crowned the winner of the masked singer season four on fox wednesday. Night no what are you doing. Do you want to what's happening. Go ahead i'm. She was crowned the winner. According to this. I don't watch but she beat out l. o. Black who was disguised as a mushroom and nick carter. Crocodile have mercy out if you don't know then making please. You don't know then yes shabat as my little sister with that Okay so. I'm just going to wrap this up more check out online. Today's supreme has a new christmas shirt. A with mariah carey on it. If you're a high base Also the best christmas. Move your each seats. Favorite christmas movie They laid out a little map to tell you. If you wanna see what ours is. That's on french. Radio dot com merely debate diehard first movie. Not a christmas movie. Christmas movie. Not a christmas movie is during christmas. Yeah but just because a movie takes place during christmas. Isn't christmas movie. Needs christmas themes go like you know. What about those horror movies with san gremlins. Grandma is considered a christmas movie because happens christmas. Amc showing right now during the christmas holiday movie thing. Well this is a weird year guy. He got he got a little gizmo as a christmas gift. And then all of a sudden all hell breaks loose because you feel after midnight. Get water on it. So it's it's a christmas movie. I would go for home alone as a christmas movie even though it's not about christmas. What makes home-loan christmas movie over diehard at christmas because the matic it's not because right because this film during christmas he leave the kid at home by himself and then it ends well. They reunite and it was a mistake. And everyone's happy well in die hard. They dropped the guy for everybody. Dropped the guy from the building. Everyone saved yeah. I dunno i if he sings christmas song in the movie. I don't there's a moral fem- diehard as there's one man that's gonna save the day just like santa claus you're man is going to rescue the willis in santa claus. He's delivering presents to all those bad guys in the form of bullets. Yeah yeah exactly here all thad. Merry christmas you're day. Yeah any any any movie that has m. f. Have to question whether it's truly a christmas. I don't know about this argument. But we'll go is it. It's fine Speaking of christmas Out there buying gifts and stuff like that For everybody or or ordering them or whatever you're doing Do you buy a christmas present or christmas presents for your pets because we do around here and i know they do around. Kaelin south to your mom. Chances your what does he kind of. Like a blab rottweilers something. He's a little everything. He's a rescue but yeah he's black lab german and roddy all of the above good looking dog big ass dog and so he is christmas presents. Now does your mom. Because i've in the past. We put the christmas presents for the pets under the tree but they seem to know which ones are. There's and then they get into them ahead of time. Yeah i was like what the hell are you doing here. He got his present. He got a home alone. Themed box of toys. So he had like the mcallister's doorknob. It was better. I smoked flavor. I'm he had what else. He had a pizza flavored. Oh what is sh. my mom. Updates me on everything but yeah he got hit and talk a little box with you. Know send things from home. Allow those pizza. I like you know. Santa came early for him. Yeah here already has because she keeps sending me pictures of him enjoying each piece but oh it was a videotape that he was chewing on the smell. It Like in our how you know what i mean. It probably like you said so. Yeah we he gets presence. I guess Eight five five one zero. Three five is it. Do you buy presents for your pets The other question. I have i saw like a funny. Maybe was one of the holiday cards. I bought for somebody but it was like or mean or something but we also gifts from our pets. My mom will go and i like. Oh yes she'll go out and buy stuff like my mom buys i dunno. Let's say my mom buys five presents for everybody. Let's just say one will be and she does a shot from not all of it but she does most of it for my dad to you so one will be from her. One will be from my dad and then one will be from lily The labrador one will be from oliver. The little baby labrador. And then we'll be from miles the cat because he's just like you know spreading it out but i'll get a present for miles the cat. Would you know he didn't do that one year. Like would you notice that. Or no no but she started my whole life for everybody. Just the the. The animals get presence and the animals by presence. But i often wonder you know. Just just miles. The cat does he look at the gift and be like i never would have picked horrible taste. Those shoes with spikes on it never would have bought him those. Everybody knows that he's not gonna worry about and just an update update but Miles my mom has a rescue cat. Miles the rescue little. He's like i don't know what he is. Eight months old now or something. We're not able to have christmas ornaments this year. Because he asked he's climbed the tree taking them down so And most of our ornaments are are are heirlooms at this point like i as a preschooler like kindergarten made some really ugly ornaments from my mom like just terrible stuff and But she still put him on the tree every year And so that's all of that stuff needs to be saved. I guess putting the smithsonian so we can't have any damaged so to no ornaments on any of the trees this year because the cat We'll destroy them. Apparently i'm not sure if that's another thing that happens in In your house but Marcie let me see here. Marcy good morning. Welcome to the fred show. How are you arrive this man to thank you so much for listening for calling. So do you buy presents for your pets. They today by for you. Or how does this work how we would buy for them. And actually my mother in law and father in law would come over on christmas eve and we will do. It was like a whole thing. We had christmas. With our to keita's they literally like laughed. They would retain them open. I mean it was a big like an annual thing and for years easter's with them and everything should be equal members of the family. Why shouldn't they assist presence. Yeah yeah i like it. Perfect thank you. Marcy have a great day you do. It makes perfect sense to me. What about your cats. Are your cats getting christmas presents. Just one cat and his oliver he thought was for some reason. I don't know i well. One of our cats. Pass away this year so Yeah no no. It's it's th no Honey our cat who was twenty three passed away Probably in the springtime the was she was something we should have known as year. We're very sorry. no okay. it's okay sorry. Our animals die cake. Take much stronger individual. That i have i guess. Yeah i mean it was. I mean she was already. You know like we knew the time was coming down. No she just She passed away on their own. Twenty three you know what that's hella. You know what's funny about that. I think we've talked about it before but my mom Rescued a cat twenty. One years ago She went to get dogs. Who came back with maxwell this little feral cat little tiny little cat And my dad's like great. We have another cat. We had other cats because my mom like persian so she she got persians from breeders. Both of them died sadly at age. Eight from from health issues serious health issues maxwell though he died i guess it was this year. Twenty one years old. He couldn't hear couldn't see he didn't have any teeth. Twenty one years old. That cat you know sleeping in the bed with mom on her face every single night. What is that man. that's a good life. That's a good run could be sad. But how sad can you be twenty one years. Yeah twenty three years in your case. That's pretty good. Yeah like we knew her time was coming like she was not the same and then and then she just passed away so yes it was saying well. That story a christmas move but things like that are going on in your life. I'm sorry to have sent you something or a car giving you a little hug. you know. i wouldn't have cried with you. Because i don't know how to do that. But the guys from the bachelor. But i would have hugged. You wouldn't giving you a hog or something you give. The remaining cat is the remaining cejka. Christmas person so Yeah he's he's got on the nautilus this year but we'll still get him something. You know like You a little treat seen a little toys. He'll play with for like a day or two. And so you know some stuff with catnip in it you know get on up a little bit not like some serious gift but you know little stocking stuffer. Let's 'cause i got him a playstation five. Really take you back now no. He'll play that he'll he'll well let's talk to katherine hi katherine good morning. Welcome to the fred show. How are you glad. Oh my god we love you. We love you more than that amount Do you buy your pets christmas presents. Do they buy for you so we have the same box. Caitlin was talking about the how long he got. It destroyed every single toy on. They both have their stockings hong and they'll be getting gifts on christmas. I i swear they you know that's the right thing to do. It's the right thing. They are like our children. Should have a good christmas to thank you. Catherine have a good holiday. Alright you called Nobody is that excited to talk to us. Nobody me these people are making my day Hey monique good morning. Monique how are you learning. Can we we got up to level of excitement because the first two were like you know it was the greatest thing that ever happened to them so can we upped the level of excitement. From you know. I'm not buying it. You buy christmas presents for your pets today for you here. I i have. I have pit bulls. I spend a hundred dollars on both of them and they even get stocking stuffers as well. How do they get a special christmas dinner because usually christmas is a little bit elevated a lot of people's houses. We don't do christmas dinner. But i mean it was the whole like phantom things so like they put out their own cookies. You know i put. I put the under the tree. And they're like oh my gosh. I love that. I love the people. I love hip. We'll see what are their names. Deuce and maya my good name for them to have a great day. Thanks for calling you to all. I forgot to mention. My mom fills out the little tag on the gift. She also will usually write in handwriting. That would that would appear to be written by an animal like yeah clearly her handwriting but it will look like the dog rode it. Yeah yeah see right with our opposite hands. Yeah i don't know what she does but it looks all like kind of you know janke audio from a dog ears yes that is a little paw paw in there too. Yeah that's my mom Hazak walk into the show. How are you zach cat. Pat sorry. but no. I'm answering the phone today. So we're making up our own names Anyway i've had well whatever pets. Tell us tell us yeah no. i'm. I'm super excited to be Calling in here to just drop my wife off work. I hope she's listening in g. She listens you guys every morning on the way and she's the best for mom in the world because she's spoils are kerry blue terrier. Mickey blue Love christmas because that's the day he was born. So she she. She gets him a birthday cake. Christmas themes let him destroy in front of us and then Obviously opening presents everything from like you know chew toys birthday hats that he hates wearing ugly sweaters and my favorite is getting a christmas card from ridden from the dog to me Seeing my mom. I love that. That's amazing and i. Yeah except for the weird stuff that you make him wear. He probably loves today exactly and ripping paper afterward. You go pat. And what's your wife's name. Aaron zaken erin kerry karen lino. You gotta you give to okay. No terrain go. Pat's wife is not a karen. It's pat zach. Aaron sharon degree. Thanks for listening. Thanks guys appreciate you. Merry christmas let's go to jillian here because This is a good one. I haven't actually heard of this agile n the morning nice. Hey we love you to advent calendar for the day. We got an advent calendar for each of them. And it's funny. It's getting later in the night and we haven't given islamia anxiously looking at where we keep them in the kitchen. They know little dog treats. They're like little little bone chip famine flavored net. Mulling a that's amazing. I love that. Thank you so much. Have a great day. Good holiday. I got my chocolate. I think calendar from my mom she. She pretends that were super catholic. I guess especially comes eating chocolate For the holidays and then my dad got a whisky advent calendar. It's a little bottle in every single day lee. How where did he get bad. I'll send you a picture of it but it's like saying it's got whiskey in it and you don't shock or what in each little mini's i haven't seen him open one yet because i don't know i haven't seen it but i'll I'll send you a picture. When i see it but i know i know. It's pretty awesome If you wanna play she'll be shelley in the show. Our next two hundred three dollars and fifty cents. Can you beat the gorilla. Eight five five five nine one one. Oh three five. Hit us up. Now to billie eilish on the fred show what. Oh three five inch the fred show on one zero three five kiss. You have what it takes. The battle. Showbiz shelly in the showbiz. Showdown co shelly live from the show. Based shelly layer. Are you d good. How are you fred de fred. Be yeah work friend. I can't do it. These legend showbiz shelia so disrespectful fees. Not god i was just trying to be silly. Well that's okay Welcome to the program. How are you this morning. how are you guys great. We're happy to have you here. We have a challenge for you His name is eric and he's in tinley park. Let's welcome eric. good morning. how are you good. How you guys doing eric very well learn about you Tell us your background Just everything we need to know in like twenty seconds or less twenty seconds. I'm from tinley park I just actually got to work. I was calling to talk about my pet and gone belly. So i'm going to do my best but Eric l. right eric. E-right the okay. Got the i try not lying. That's amazing. yeah you can always tell when answering the phone because people's names seem to change Quickly but that's okay eric What were you gonna say about your pet though. What what's the deal you get them presents. Oh we get them. President We have a cat and a dog taco enjoy the taco bell taco. The cat he's named after taco from the leave but yeah they get presents. The grandparents bring over presents for them. I mean they get everything. I love us. Yeah i mean everybody the sun you have a child. The child gets precious to. That's good. that's good that's important Five questions one hundred and three dollars and fifty cents is the price but really. It's the glory of knowing that you the gorilla. It hasn't happened very many times. What fewer than thirty times. I believe in years and years and years so Here we go ready shelly. Yeah i'm ready eric. Good luck thank you all right. This is shelly. has taken off her headphones. Going into the sound booth poof. She could not hear any of these questions ri. Eric questionable won sophie. Turner shared a photo of her husband. Catching did hubs of the year. Who she married to the. Gt had deeds. Mother posted at adorable photo from g. zan's gender reveal. This is a fifty fifty one here. what is the gender of their child. Boy fifty fifty This singer dancer actress will headline dick. Clark's new year's rocking eve. Three oh which country music icon announced that she will launch her own beauty brand. She's an icon icon. Carrie underwood immerse. Well curious the rock but Yeah makes sense. Which streaming service would you find this show outer banks netflix. Good guess Got to i. You know i'll be honest with you. I thought we were on our way to zero. But we weren't so we're we're got so we take shelly here. Were texting shelley to get her back. You can't hear any of the questions In her own. Private layer broadcasting from remotely. From the showbiz shelly. Hollywood castle she shared be sits around all day and does research. Okay a to shelley. All right okay all right. yeah i. i'm sensing a five here. But we'll see is sophie. Turner shared a photo of her husband and captured hobbs of the year. Who is she married to jonas. Correct a deeds. Mother posted an adorable photo from g. zan's gender reveal. What is the sex of their child. A girl it is this singer. Dancer and actress will headline. Dick clark's new year's rocking eve jalen as Which country music icon announced that she will launch her own beauty brand three to jolly alley. I hate it when i do that. Ready one could've said anything. Yeah finally on which streaming service would you find this show outer banks net flex. But that's all right. You know what area you're talking about your pet call you just free ball it you gotta to. I mean that's not bad really now. I feel better that you didn't get a five. Yeah people call up here consciously the play and then say and even talked some smack ahead of time about how easy it is in their car and then they get zero. So you'd better than that while i'm happy with that. Yeah it's good. It's good Eric and have a great holiday. Thanks for calling. Thanks for listening. Say thank you. Yeah go ahead please. My name is eric compelling park. I got showed up on the third down. And i can't guerilla Yeah those okay. That was good. I mean at least it has to tell them what to say. That's good almost forgotten leaving this out. It's probably the most important part Eric dallas tell you have a great holiday hang out. Okay thank you. Eric could hang with the guerilla From their d. Right there frankie. I don't. I don't know what maybe has to do with it. Rubio but if anybody can find a way to bring billion rupee over summaries shelly. What's coming up on your program later today. Nude until three well fred di More about holiday news. I heard you guys talking about that. So it's like christmas and holiday movies. What's that guy's name. What's that guy's name on jersey. Shore the rubio stop it. That was supposed to be a match for her. Oh ruined guy. Rubio always say for everyone. I don't know is trying to show us why shelly. What's the guy wanted to tease nut in than it. We're so perfect and stuff Anyway so why are you making these fifteen years ago and have a great day shelley where it's just i don't even know what it is just. Sad's no let's hear these nuts. These nuts these holiday nuts walnuts so pretty when you say shelly nuts nutcrackers. Oh there you go okay. That's enough listening. I just thank you for listening to. So i'm all right. We'll see you know by the way big announcement. This is very important Dunkin donuts you got until noon to stop in any large extra large hot coffee on your way into work this morning or school or whatever. It is you or even. You're not going anywhere. Just make a point to go and hit it up on the app or the drive thru. You can stop into the store a dollar from that. Purchase costa lurie children's hospital trying to raise as much money as we can During this really crucial time for them. Of course it is like everybody I'm sure they're having. They're not able to raise as much money as they have. In the past. This is a really easy way to contribute to children's hospital by doing what you would do anyway. and grab some dunkin on your way in this morning the app In the drive thru on the store large extra large dollar goes tutelary. Children's hospital automatically more good news stories and the the battle royale the throwback throwdown championship of the year. Just so happen that the all the yearlong total resulted in a tie between rubio and calin and we will crown the champion. Just after eight o'clock. You guys nervous. I thought you were going to forget again. I i'm sweating already. Oh you got energy when we play this and now it's just like you'll mattress fine. I wish you all the freaking me out as being so nice yeah. He thinks if he's nice. It's good karma that he's putting onto the world that somehow he'll get more questions right. I don't know we'll find out. Just a few minutes on the fred show. Good morning. glad you hear what. Oh three five to the. Fred show is on what five kiss. Fm feels good. I we love to share happy positive. Good news stories every day on the show. Kaelin what did you find. So i have a local story. An illinois couple found a unique way to continue the tradition of dining out during the covid nineteen pandemic. They converted their transit van into a mobile dining room for two. The couple missed the experience of eating out. I think we all do When covid lead dining rooms to be enclosed and getting takeout just didn't offer the same experience so they converted the back of their transit van into a miniature room. They bought a table for one hundred dollars and put some folding chairs and carpet in there. They have lights They have since spend visiting their favorite area restaurants and having pleaded food delivered it to the back door of their van. We can posted on french. Radio dot com. But it's adorable like they you know they. They hooked up their van and they get to eat out and i wonder if they have like heater. Turn the heat on in there but yeah it's a door all the over the back of the thing you look so cute in this in this In the in the van set of picture we'll get it up. A frontier radio dot com released wheat story. We've all had this nightmare situation where you're rushing to get someplace really important but the the airplane of the train or the you know you miss it or you run the risk of missing it well. In this case it was a bus going in the wrong direction Jacqueline mason was on her way to see her seventy nine year old mom eileen who lives in an assisted care facility but due to covid nineteen protocols visitor limited to pre scheduled half hour time slots so when she discovered that she got in on the wrong bus and her thirty minute window is passed closing. She was really upset so she explained to the bus driver. His name is alec fifty seven year old guy. What happened. I started crying. I said i'm not sure if i'm on the right bus. But rather than offer routine commiseration and keep on his schedule. He decided to take action when the woman said to me that she hadn't seen her mom her mom m. u. n. Story in a long time just hit heart. A lot of people have suffered this year and seen on the news. People are not able to see their mom or their father in homes that it struck a chord with me. I said to myself i have to get this woman as close as i can to that home so with a nod of approval from other passengers. The bus driver detoured the bus and drove this woman. Tour destination dropped her off and then went back to his regular route as if nothing had happened but it turns out that she did get to see her mom and it was all thanks to the bus driver who made sure she got their. You know a lot of people would say. I can't do that You know. I can't eat or they would have just said i don't care but this guy With out of his way to make sure that she could make visit self very very sweet. let's come back. It's it's time it's time for the face. Faceoff who will be the throwback throwdown name that tune champion for twenty twenty willoughby rubio retaining the belt for yet another year or will it be kaelin first time champion of the year. How dramatic. I made this. We'll find out the other rookie. Beat the veteran a rookie played last year. The first round draft pick rookie you play. You've been playing rookie. It sounds young and go with that. We'll find out who shall win it all. Ask your show by putting the winchester studios in america's greatest city chicago. What in three five kids. And i heart radio station. It's the fred show morning every body. Thursday december seventeenth. glad you. Here is the fred show morning. Kaelin rubio paulina. High learning very important. Housemate don't condone a dunk. Dunkin donuts roles at the top of my tongue for life. They have donuts their males. Have wraps and have this croissant bagels. They have this croissant sausage croissant. sandwich is sinful. I don't think i'm supposed to be eating that. But i do eat it costs. How would your friends say that. Oh we'll see. Studied abroad in italy. So i know but i was just wondering you know. I'm sure she would pronounce it properly yesterday. That that Pascal guide facebook makes make the cooking videos. He's actually italian very thick accent and he said prince share you. I thought of your friends who studied briefly in italy and now has to pronounce everything jiahd lorenzetti's because it's annoying. Oh boy the provolone she would make it not advertising anymore. Just shot from awasa michigan child. She's in crackers. Quakers here the way you just said per shoot you. Just lougee all over the pressing for pseudo. So i don't want be just lewd all over to dunkin this morning until noon actually If you stopped by. Eddie hot Large or extra large coffee a dollar of that purchase. Costa larry children's hospital super important so stopping today Even rubio who is not a coffee drinker. He got coffee today. I wish he had because you already is bouncing off the walls and then you add the caffeine thing and it's like a handler. No no you did so Duncan today you can go through the drive thru. You can do the app you can walk into the store whatever Get the large extra large hot coffee today and a dollar goes to larry until noon. So you get four hours left to do it. It's an easy way to support our friends at children's children's hospital this morning it's up next. This is the time you've all been waiting for. This is the battle this is this. Is everything for the title. This is for the belt this trophy. This is for the banner that hangs from the roof of the ceiling. the roof of ceiling roof roof of the ceiling studio people who will be twenty. Twenty champion of the throwback throwdown. It's tied that we must break right now. Kaelin versus rubio in our name that tune battle. The songs were Were chosen by a group of three Jason brown go on man It's not just my my choices. We got together. We had a committee songs. Very very important so hauling webby and britney spears a like are those all the songs they picture we need. We need to new songs. Were you pick fred whitney houston. What's that likes. It's boy a now now. You don't always confused with boy. Meets boy meets boy meets girl. Waiting for start. A fall will not be making an appearance on us. However if you go to any jewel you'll hear it soon as you walk in. So it's i appreciate them for that. Eight five five five nine one one three five Rubio ceylan. I wish you both the very best of luck in this competition. Thank you And don't pout. If you lose. That's all i ask. Go pal no. I will be a professional data. That would be something. You see website for a We're playing next the throwback throwdown championship of two thousand twenty after pt. As the fred show. What oh three five three five kiss. Fm chicago number one hit music station. It's the fred show. let's play this is for all the marbles. These is for everything. The championship may be for for twenty twenty. There'll be awarded today right now. Ten wins contestant number one number two romeo word. Welcome at home players. I we have melissa melissa. Melissa kaelin right yes you have correctly there. Melissa jalen cynthia go cynthia. i everything. this is somebody somebody's life. Will somebody will win. The champion will be crowned right now. The champion of two thousand twenty. Somebody mute the players. now Your name is buzzer. Now here's the thing. We got a committee today because the other youtube choose Jason running out playing so so if there's any sort of discrepancy will be a what they call the triumvirate or something. It'd be to judge judging by three people tripod together. Yeah take partners. Lay there but you know. We learned that about paulina because she told us. Just yes west. What she says i don. I'm surprised by that actually surprises me to hear all right. Here we go. A song. tiebreaker necessary name is your buzzer all decisions by me or final. But again we had the judging panel here Can we can. We just have one agreement. I just want one agreement. No bitching at the end of this. That result is the result. And that's it no bitching. I don't want any sort of got rob from alexia. I wanna report. Somebody called michigan. I don't want it or You know slow as we're still going. We all agree we're gonna we're gonna agree on a winner today and we're all going to be friends about it. Yes three the holidays after all damage. Tis the damn season. Here we go. This is this phone number one. Feel feel that is britney spears womanizer as correct ariya strings filled out point for roofing song one at trump that base song number two in the championship world championship throwback throwdown. Was that kaelin. Kaelin kaelin showstopper. Danny cain correct to make sure it's a short cost onto. thanks man. talk. Show so one ferruccio one kaelin ron song. Three in the championship. Final throwback throwdown kaelin five. Let the rain for come no no. It's hillary duff coming clean. No to make sure. Rubio hilary duff. Come clean that's correct. Not coming just want. Yeah right is called likud. Been good beach the hills. She has already come. Do me like tom. But it's gonna get worse. Okay thanks to rubio one. For kaelin sunk for throwback throwdown. Battlefield jordin sparks. This only. nobody knows tied back. Sports battlefield seized jason derulo. yeah Four songs left guys got away. One four songs throwback throwdown and shaking shoe. A piece in the throwback throwdown and to phone a friend or may one for each of you. Are you ready. Yes that was rufi. Five four three. Two kelly clarkson everything liked guest or guy or girl five yali clark three to come clean that god. Kelly clarkson behind these hazel rattus. Giving us a dirty look. Do we lose a former friend. Yeah palin shona from bailed on you sterile. Morbid tied her back. He was speaking assigned to study the there. So here's the thing. We just lost a phone. a friend. phone fringes disconnected. We've attempted now off the air to reconnect. Cindy this what. We've come up with the remainder here He's still tied three songs left. You're going to be both people's phone a friend where winners where either so you want. So you want what you want. I wouldn't get too excited because we don't really know what that is but you'd be happy just to be a winning. Just remember who you had. I see be different. Maybe a different song. So so you're going to meet a phone a friend for each player. Some of the mutual again. And that's how we're going to resolve this so we got to the three songs last three songs left and it's tied so we will determine the winner. Well unless you guys don't get it again. Whoa yeah well. That's why we have the paramedics owning by in the hallway. Just in case All you're ready that's len steal. My sunshine is correct bursting. Thugs left rubio with a one point. Lead can feel it up right here or killing can tie it and go the final song. Is everyone ready. Yes was kaelin. I heard his going to the phone. A friend Cynthia and i'm going to play a little earlier. Its cynthia do you want guess or can i just go. Go go okay. It's rumors lindsay. Lohan forgot the name. I remember ran out of time five. This is jason's playlist back. The final storm may not be his. Maybe it's my baby's falling asleep to be anybody here. We go guys. it's down. This is why. I wanted to bring it down to one final sung and this is this is scripted but i draw up any better anything good on this show was gonna sure you've that. Are you guys ready. The final song. A muting. Cynthia once again rouphael. I'm gonna have to use my phone of france. Cynthia even we're all right. We'll get to hear it. I'll give you a little more touch. Guys cynthia anything. No coworkers agree that song. I don't cat who took blu cantrell. I close no no stick how it's called. That's a tough one to be an obscure was here right here guys. Well no phone a fringe remaining. He's already won a tiebreaker song. This is for everything for the championship. We know gonna play song or you're going to take a break or should i pull a seacrest. Made me wait in. Agony could good tiebreaker. Ask the sauce on everything kiss. Fm chicago number one hit music station. Fred show here. We go because my life. Yeah tim here we go. I am dicky's crest with the final song or you're ready three to know. Why did i don't even know what that is. That's i don't know you know it. Stars are blind. Paris hilton is dancing. Floor swisher booting spray. I wish areas soon perez. Silk would win it for you. Because cynthia was everyone's voter friendly. I next time cynthia. I love new. You won twenty minutes ago still expressed through it. You know you for those things and we love you. Second okay. cynthia. Right kaelin The post game press conference. What's happened there no controversy. No scandal is just rate up. You know how do you feel. Clean win clean win. You know very nervous blacked out. Don't remember any of the songs that i just by That that was definitely a j. playoffs. You know everything you ever thought it would be. I feel like he thought it would be the champion of the year. Calm down. i might be having an album attack. Feel great and you know for a short period of time to call the champ. I will wear a belt of some sort. That never got a belt last previous yet. Being ruthless bring you in on this post game press conference review. What are your thoughts about. It was close. It was a close the did win fair and square. It was a tough year I mean i didn't i did mountain huge comeback to back from. I don't know. I was like six or seven down but i assure you get a ballot effort. You really fight back fought back but you came short. Yeah i mean what are your thoughts off season. I mean do you practice you. Go back to the drawing board different. Jason brown's place to get those obscure. Paris hilton was like reality. Stars throwback throwdown. Hilary duff from the hill. Yeah i'm just kidding. Kaylynn sportsmanship their worship from one champion to the other. you know. at least we can call each other champs. You know because not right now. Because i'm the champion true you've actually. I'm seated so we can no longer. Fortunately i've ever not been the champ at the end of the year. I think we just started counting last year was the first year and that was you know that was pure domination. I had like twenty two wins. Yeah well you know whether it's by one winner by fifty zero champions of congratulations. The you deserve it. Vin a crazy twenty twenty for you know i love you. I'm kennedy. Yeah you know what i have went hold up. You're going to be like we are blind ever again. I know you've known known it tonight. That just like the other one. Picks her dancing around on the remember scandalous. I don't remember who was that. A mistake mystique was all women except for len women absolutely by design. Absolutely the appropriate wasn't ready. But i just came up in my mind with the purpose to celebrate Championship here. Let me see if this is Very sports this isn't it. Three seconds run notice is the version that has people talking uses live radio. i know version. The doesn't kelly clarkson behind these days is is gone forever this is. This is the version without people vandross. At the end of the at the end of the ncaa tournament for basketball they show all the highlights people crying and winning one shining moment the fall. And you you're running for shootings dog the whole year whereas if you play slow motion for your frozen so nice time shot. That's enough that's enough. Let's god bless you listen vandross. Go beyond one shining moment. Champion for twenty. Two thousand in the throwback throwdown on the fred shows kiss kiss. Fm the latest entertainment news is on the fred. Shown it's brought to you by team mobile. So tiger king star joe exotic is suing the us justice department over the rejection of his pardon request. Gosh can you believe that. That show was this year because i cannot Wow that was like the beginning of quarantine when things were i. That was the joe exotic. Sage wow-wow Yeah yeah you don't need to see a reveal. I experienced it through like social media. So it's like it would be wasted on me watching it. No i mean. I don't know i think it's something everyone i think. It should be required. Viewing cover this chapter in american history section. So he's saying that it's not valid because the requests was never sent directly to president trump himself So he's suing. He says that the adviser was required to afford it to the president. Because he has the sole authority to issue pardons any also put in the suit that trump is a supporter of his. Which i don't know if that's true or not but it would not surprise me Let's see just a reminder. He was convicted of two counts of murder. For hire targeting care baskin. He was also convicted on eight counts of falsifying wildlife records nine counts of violating the endangered species act. And he's one year into his twenty two year sentence so he thinks he should be. I don't know trump's gonna pardon him. I think trump's trump himself. I think yeah anything. I do in the future. Anything i've done. I'm pardoned and there's executive order before i go. I might say the same thing you're pardons. i dunno. he's gonna make one up. I guess i do. Like how many honest question does anyone know how many parts of the can he just pardon. Anybody like getting a certain amount. I think you know. I think he can do as many as you want I think some people show restraint. But i'm not sure he will know if i were the president i was getting kicked out. I would write some sort of legislation and try and get it passed. It was like i executive order. Like hey i want forever love me and i sign. He was a smart man. He created reality show before he leaves them in like. Who wants this part like. It's he's all of his on there. Like joe exotic on there like i get one you get one of the winner gets the part in you. Think if you think that he is not going to do the apprentice again and everything else over the next four years you know. Of course he is. This guy's not going anywhere still have rallies for you know for his next run. Yeah which is going to announce on inauguration day. He's running again so i'm just assuming that he will. Jesus oh man. I'm so ellen. Degeneres gave us a little health update after she was diagnosed with kovic said that she's dealing with some excruciating back pain which is a symptom of the virus She thinks everyone for their well wishes. Obviously they have paused production of the show until january so chance. The rapper announced a new virtual concert. Film called chinatown christmas The special tribute to chances favorite childhood christmas movies and tv sitcoms and follows the release of his new album jeremie. Merry christmas lil mama. The gift that keeps on giving hopefully actually filled it in chicago. I like everything else that claims to be for chicago in toronto right. We're looking at you midnight at the magnolia. You and ninety eight hundred eighty eight point four the the wind or whatever radio station called if you wanna watch. that's special. It will be released on youtube instagram tomorrow. At eight central. This is cool. It will also be in vr oculus to give fans a unique virtual concert experience. So if you have one of those that'd be awesome More to check out online today So megan thee stallion. She has a christmas song. Also mariah carey and supreme teamed up for a new christmas t shirt. And then if you want details on that special that's on fresh radio dot com trending stories next waiting by the phone on after nine There's another tiktok trend. Don't do it another one. where have to tell you. And until the world don't do it is so dumb so ridiculous. I hope that somebody gets eaten in the process. I'll tell you about it and just to say rat sell on one zero three five kiss. Fm is what's trending shutout mcgrath city hyundai dunkin today until noon any larger extra-large. Hot coffee dollar of your purchase automatically goes to children's hospital very important to stop today till noon to do that. Grab your coffee and help out. Larry children's hospital and all of their efforts there. If you're trying to travel this weekend lots and lots of snow got some snow yesterday. And then lots of snow on the east coast airlines have canceled. Twelve hundred flights as the northeast and mid atlantic prepare for what's being forecast as the biggest winter storm in years The airlines can't canceled more than seven hundred flights yesterday. Five hundred sixty so far today and the numbers expected to go up New york boston philly all expected to see up to a foot off. No no the storm. I'm not ready yet again. We got a little dusting. Look dusting yesterday You want some tiktok content. I flew yesterday. And i. I flew right through the snow and got on top of is very. It's very pretty When you get on top of weather like that like if you saw my t t but he climb right through the snow cloud and then it's like beautiful. I don't know the sort of so you go above the cloud and then it's clear as day a lot a lot of times this an and always but a lotta times like the light snowstorms stuff. That's not real crazy It'll be like. I don't know very very thin. Clouds thin relatively speaking though. And then yeah you climb right up in their usually low in decline right above and then it's like clear above awful day. There's some sort of Those i this. There's no clouds. Are those have gotta be cumulus. I guess because there's moisture in them not nimbus nimbus stratos can you name means water cumulus embassy anyway. The classroom snow at him. An ice and On your t. Yes if she content there on the t t you know just kind of step by star. You still doing straight videos. Are you doing some editing. What i'm saying it's just like oh no. This has oh several cuts and it has a song. Oh yeah oh yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. What have you noticed the cuts. The cuts are on to uh-huh uh-huh cape ki t t. I'm coming for you daryl. You might have a million followers but cuts music now and i've got music very pretty. There's probably isn't there something like i. I thought about posting some sort of quote you know like like when when It should have been like flying through twenty twenty and then you rise up. Here's twenty twenty one and it's clear. Yeah that's what i was going after. Some sort of like you know inspirational quotes win. Times are dark is lights beyond the right exactly. Yeah that's always remember in this thousand limbaugh brighter beyond the clouds. Oh yeah anyway. I guess this is a good time to not be able to go out and do anything because if you live in new york boston philly you go anywhere anyway. So there's that the first and here's the thing we're going to do a lot of stories like this. I feel like a and i'm just sharing with you This is not to say that we off regatta. Be worried about the The vaccine here but there has been one one first. Serious reaction from the new cove nineteen vaccine. And you know this is going to happen. I don't i'm obviously a physician. Physician a call up here and tell us about you. Know some sort of abnormal reaction to almost any vaccine out there the to being given but a middle aged healthcare worker in alaska was hospitalized after a rare allergic reaction hospital officials say the woman became unwell about ten minutes. After she got the vaccine she was taken to the hospital. Treated is doing well. if pfizer spokeswoman recommends that the vaccine being administered in places where treatment for rare allergic reactions is available. So there's that of tiktok speaking of which there is a ridiculous trend involving capturing segel's with beach towels. I ha i can't siegel on somebody and just rip through them for doing something stupid. Like this Basically you can cover yourself up with the beach towel so to birds can't see you. You put ships on top of the beach town. And then when a single lands you then flip the tell over and catch it It went viral on tiktok. After star reese crop racked up more than sixty two million views when she did this. A single researcher said that the trend poses a risk to the bird safety. The person doing the trapping. Kfc the bird could not burn out or break a wing with their arms. How about we don't. He's some kind of law like a worst pita law but like just don't hurt animals. You idiots chuck thing come on no. A fight broke out at a south florida walmart because the store ran out of playstation. Five royal. I can't believe that you're in south. Florida yesterday drove all the way down there to boom. I give you fifteen hours later no. Ps flies when they said they had ps five. of course. i believe that you fight man. Yeah it happened. After failing at agitated walmart no longer had the playstation in stock. The situation escalated the point. Where a woman who is holding a baby punched a female officer in the face causing her to fall to the ground. Three people arrested in the baby was turned over to her grandmother Guess everybody's okay now. But yes. a brawl. Over playstation five the net flicks is trending today. The testing on it will only for mobile devices. Subscribers in the tests can toggle to audio only mode by selecting a video off button in the net flicks playback screen users have to opt into use the feature for every title and every session it will allow users to listen to movies or shows in the background while they do other stuff. What now clear on why you would need that. Because i why don't you just turn it on. And then that watch it. Yeah and leave it on in the background. Like why do. I need you to turn the video off to a sure how you going to know what's going on if it's like a movie you've never seen before in your dislike listening to what we just people do this all the time you turn it on and then you just don't watch it but anyway i like if you're going to bed you know how people leave the tv on or they just want the audio you know when they're going to bed you don't want like friends or something because i already can visualize like what they're doing you know so to put me to sleep. Maybe something i've already seen. 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Inside The Hospital | Understanding COVID-19 (ft. Taylor Heald-Sargent, MD)
"One thing that's funny. Is that in the scientific community? People have been saying that this is not somebody. I quoted in my dissertation many years ago from a paper in two thousand ten that sent the next corona virus endemic. Not a question of if it's a question of when remakes is this choice but I certainly will continue as I've always had to give my honest assessment of the scientific and data. That is really the evidence that I base my judgments on. Welcome to inside the hospital. Medicine remixed original series that focuses on healthcare workers on the front line of the current pandemic and gaining insights from their unique perspectives. On last week we checked in with board certified allergist and immunologist Dr Akilah Jefferson. Who fills us in on creative therapeutic approaches that are being tried for those fighting cove in nineteen the long process of developing a vaccine and the public health implications of a pandemic? Like this one on today's episode. We have another special interview for you as we'll be hearing from Dr Taylor healed sergeant. Who is currently finishing up her final year of Pediatric Infectious Disease Fellowship. At Annan Robert H Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago she's also an expert virologist with interest in the Krono viruses as she has a PhD on the cellular entry of SARS. Covy one for those. That don't know what's ours. Covy one is. It's the virus that was implicated in the initial SARS epidemic of the early two thousands and is the crow virus most closely related to SARS colby to the virus implicated in the current pandemic. Today's episode is also special in that a longtime close friend of mine and medicine remix supporter. Dr Guano Thacker will be conducting the interview with Dr. He'll sergeant also I Larry Children's hospital finishing his third year in pediatric residency. And Getting Ready to start working as a hospital as the summer were pumped to share this interview with you and we hope you enjoy listening to this episode as much as we did putting it together. Here's donal so I wanted to start things off by asking. You have your last five to six weeks looked since. Kobe has really started to take over the headlines. Has Your Day to day changed at all or anything like that. I think similar to pretty much everyone around the world. It's completely changed. I am currently mainly in the lab studying a different virus in transplant patients And most lab projects have been stopped. Because you can't do lab work remotely. So most scientists have been sent home from the labs everything put on pause but with that in a bunch of us you know have some experience with a virus or have just other viruses and are generally who has a lot of us have band together and tried to think about how as a scientific community we can help with this. Camac and so even those of us that can't get into a lab have been talking about the research projects can do and trying to figure out ways safely that we could conduct some research. So I've been working for the past few weeks with some other people at my institution trying to figure out if what clinically we can learn from patients because at least from our institution. We're looking mainly at pediatrics. And some young adults but it seems. Pediatrics is thankfully been spared. A lot of severe disease. Sore question has come up. What's making kids so unique and so tried to collect data around that Both clinical epidemiologic data but also clinical samples that we can then use making it back into the lab to study some of the immune responses or study. Some of the things in kids so I've been participating with other researchers trying to clan research and I know other research is really interesting some labs that have been able to that haven't even been clinical labs that just have expertise in for example testing and running the PC are essays. They Dave completely shifted over and have really gone all in and helping out with this and trying to figure out how they can scale up testing and converting there. What was research into clinical labs? And it's really interesting to see the scientific community shift their whole focus onto this pandemic and just seeing what they can do to help out. Yeah I would agree with you. It's been super cool. Just kinda watching. From the periphery to see how people who may not necessarily their day to day. Responsibilities may not necessarily have been geared towards his corona virus pandemic. They're coming together in so many different ways and finding out ways that they can help or shift or pivot there an initial sort of approaches or their targets to help any way they can with this current of ours pandemic. It's been really cool to see people stepping up like that. Yeah it's really nice isn't a in across. Anyone can contribute anything. You know the people that can so are making masks so it makes late that the scientists are trying to do the science to learn about the virus. Exactly Taylor you were mentioning that some of what your research currently has shifted to right now to hell under Santa's pandemic a little bit better is why kids are being spared and what's What's been going on not my telling us if there's anything new or interesting you've learned. Yeah I mean not nothing yet. It's still early days and a lot of with the literature is right now is case reports or clinical series of -cations and just what we can glean from them from more easily done labs and some of the more sophisticated tests. They're going to take a little bit more time It was noticed even with the first stars that kids was kids were not as effective clinically but that was taken under control so quickly that you know not a whole ton of research were able to be done in the intervening years though. Researchers have tried to look at some differences in animal models and young old But it still is really difficult to pinpoint. Why kids aren't as affected. There's a lot of theories and hypotheses out there ranging from maybe some pre existing differences in their immune response because everyone's exposed to krona viruses every year Kids will get them in. Adults will get them in. It's just often a common cold and we don't usually even identify exactly. What Corona virus a patient might have? You wouldn't even get tested for it. So is it something that kids are exposed to those north other front viruses more and so their immune systems can react a little bit differently to this one or is it something different about their immune system that it's a different level of maturity in the adults and the kids and the kids for some reason their developmental maturity of the immune system is better at controlling. The virus or doesn't overreact to the virus. Some people think maybe it has to do with actually the receptors of the protein that the virus uses to get into cells to infect cells It's kind of like the doorknob that the virus has to latch onto to open up the to the to the inside of the cell People have started to see some differences. Perhaps in the levels of that protein and kids versus adult. So that's another avenue that's currently being explored but we don't have answers yet. Gotcha but it's like there's a lot of different things worth looking into an worth exploring. I I really think so. Yeah that's amazing. So you mentioned that current viruses already do exist inter-community and that they're going to continue existing long after this a Kobe. Nineteen pandemic is over. That's something that when I tell my friends or family that you know at the hospital. We see Corona virus viral infections frequently during the close season in our pediatric population set. Something that they're kind of shocked to hear about and so I was wondering maybe talk a little bit more about what those more coming corona viruses are that exist community. What sort of illnesses? They seem they seem to cause. Yeah you brought up the point that the common currency viruses. They usually have some sort of seasonal circulation or you see them more in the fall and the winter and when you would everybody feels like they're getting a cold one of them could just be a corona virus and we don't often know exactly what krone viruses infecting. What person because we don't always test everybody? That has a common cold but if kids get more sticker someone gets more sick they might get. What a pc our test to see what the viruses that's causing ill and sometimes it comes up that it's a criminal virus. There's a couple of different cousin corona viruses that have different names like NFL. Six thirty or forty three or h one but the names don't matter as much than they actually will tell. You hear what they are but it really. They're kind of general more mild viruses compared to the first SARS or merged that are in this current SARS two that are much more clinically clear in addition to causing just kind of more upper respiratory tract infections. Like the common cold sometimes they can go on like you mentioned have bronchiolitis or else sixty three for example was associated with cruch so kind of a barking cough and kids but for the most part they tend to stay in the upper airway and not go so much into the lower lungs like the other viruses. Any there's always an exception to the rule so people certainly can die of more mild viruses but just not to the extent that we're seeing now with the SARS too. Yep that makes sense okay. A little bit of your research background so your research background. Taylor is in the CORONA VIRUS SARS. Covy one that correct. Yeah so I actually looked at SARS buyers the first one but then also comparing it to sixty three which is another one of those mild colonel viruses and I was trying to figure out or look at differences and similarities between those two to see if we could figure out why one was more mild was more severe because they actually use the same risk factor that same doorknobs to get into cells. They use the same protein at sixty three and both of the stars. Okay yeah they all use what's called to to get into south even though they have such very different outcomes in the end. Yeah definitely seems like even though. There's some similarities. There are certain things that are making the SARS virus a little bit more more severe than the than the others. Can you tell us a little bit more about for those that maybe don't remember that early? Sars epidemic from the early two thousands a little bit more about sort of what went on there and a little bit more about the virus that seems to have caused that specific epidemic so that first. Sars epidemic was in the early two thousand it in the beginning at kind of looked like what this one looked like I. I started noticing with this SARS to back in right around the turn of the years. Like New Right New Year's Eve a there is reports of this weird pneumonia in China and nobody was really paying too much attention of case reports. Then that was similar to kind of what happened in the beginning of SARS except for it was more kept under wraps into the world community. Didn't get to know too much about it for a number of months until it was spreading even more and earth SARS one of the big differences is. It's much easier to control with Typical affection prevention and control measures so like everything that we've tried so far. Everybody knows you know you wash your hands. You've probably cops. But then going up to the more higher level control measures where they'll test or someone to have the infection and then isolate that person or trace do with called contact tracing and look to see who is that person been in contact with and then isolate all of those people. Those methods really worked to control the first SARS so although it started out similarly in there were some rumbles and then it grew into more in Asia a few cases outside of Asia including some in Toronto. The different little outbreaks areas little the outbreak areas. We'RE ABLE TO BE CONTROLLED. More just with epidemiologic controls and part of that might have to do with back that people really spread that virus after they were pretty symptomatic so you could see someone coughing with a fever and just isolate them. We now know for this starts to that you can be feeling fine and still spreading the virus so it makes those infection measures of isolating symptomatic patients and isolating people that could be shutting much more difficult. Sure sure that that makes sense was set from I guess from a sort of severity standpoint and more specifically a mortality Sam point was that initial SARS epidemic from wartime great standpoint a little bit more severe than the mortality rate. We're seeing with this SARS outbreak. Yeah it's well. It's hard to compare exactly because the the level of spread has been very different and also testing wise. We haven't probably tested. Everybody has been possibly infected with SARS to front virus. So right assessing exact mortality. It's difficult because you don't know. How many eight symptomatic or mild infection throughout their that. We're not catching so it. Seems like they both can be severe but I don't know exactly the comparison I think they're probably similar in their mortality rates. But it's it's a moving target right now. Is there any sense that we learned from the SARS the initial two thousand two epidemic that we could have applied in the case of this one before it became so severely present in the community? Well one thing that's funny. Is that the scientific community and people have been saying that this is not somebody. I quoted in my dissertation many years ago from a paper in two thousand ten. That sent the next. Colonel Virus Pandemic. It's not a question of if it's a question of when it really is was apparent to scientists that this was a warning shot at first SARS and then murders also that this is not something that was just a bad luck once it's GonNa keep happening and that's because they are animal reservoirs that have grown viruses. In fact some people have said that corona virus pandemics are kind of originally made pandemic because the bat population especially in China has circulating Heiresses in it that are very similar to these to the SARS virus. And that's where they think both of these stars viruses came from and they're they don't require much Shumba from a back host to a human host and then the next jumping from human to human luckily with murders when it made the jump from animals to humans didn't make that second jump from human to human so it went from camels to humans and then it kind of sizzles out but for SARS once it gets into humans it can spread everywhere and there were some lessons learned in that we knew that it was possible but unfortunately as population in the whole world really. We didn't do too much. We didn't prepare know probably but we did continue some research in animal models and so we were at a better place now than we were back then in terms of understanding some of the half Balaji that can result from Toronto virus infections and having some clues about beans or antiviral agents that might be useful because SARS one and starts to their names the same thing because they're really close and that's kind of Nice so a lot of the research that was done in thirds one is helping US learn about thirty two Gotcha Gotcha so when we talk about this animal to human transmission method. It does seem like it's something that happens frequently or at least not infrequently especially with this bat to human transmission. Now we've had the SARS epidemic from the early two thousands that started the swayed and also now this current pandemic with the be to virus also Having started this way does this fact that it's happened now twice in the last twenty years. Does this speak more to any general trends between animal and human interactions that maybe we should learn from an. How can we learn from this and understand this a little bit better to maybe prevent future outbreaks? Like this from occurring. Yeah I don't. I'm not an expert on so much on that area but it is in the last couple of decades. There have been some emerged looking back. Historically they can trace back the the relatively mild corona viruses to and originally animal reservoir sometimes bats sometimes how they can say but these events happened thousands of years ago. So is this just how corona viruses come about into the population that it makes zoonotic emergent? It goes through the population. Maybe a severe infection but then just kind of keep circulating at lower levels who knows because those original events probably happened a lot long ago right why we had to recently. I don't know if that's because the animal reservoirs have a circulating population that can make that jump a lot more easily now or is it because of some chefs in human animal. Interactions is it because of climate change and or urban spread. I'm not sure I know a lot of people are asking those questions. Yeah it sounds like they're new. There's a lot to look into going forward so with this specific virus with SARS Kobe. To what is the typical clinical presentation were seeing with people? Who are infected with us. Well it can range anywhere from no symptoms to severe respiratory pneumonia and death. So it's quite very quite the SPEC most people it's hard to say because obviously there needs to be more testing in bigger studies done to see what the majority would present with. But if you're going to have a clinically symptomatic disease. It seems like fever is usually a component of it and then sore throats or some sort of upper respiratory with hough is often what we think of You can also have gi things which means you can have diarrhea or vomiting and that was also a feature of some of the viruses like the SARS virus. In the first time they founded it could also induce more diarrhea and in addition to the respiratory symptoms and the virus can infect both the respiratory tract and the gastrointestinal tract. Really interesting when you think about it in terms of other respiratory viruses because usually beat you're more limited to just one area of the body that gets affected so that's an current area of investigation. What's actually going on in the gastrointestinal tract so you can have those respiratory symptoms fever then the typical chemical course I would say is probably most people will get better but there is a population of people that will progress to have more severe disease and to have especially in more pneumonia and that can actually sometimes cap in in the face of decreasing amount of the virus. Which is really paradoxical. Because you'd think that if you have weren't worse infection you must have a lot of iris around But this was seen for the first SARS and this is one of those lessons that we learned that actually as levels of the virus seemed to go down patients might get worse and they noticed a lot of increased inflammation so your immune system just trying so hard to control the virus that it almost goes out of control and system actually can start damaging the patients and damaging lungs and two can lead to a lot of those immune cells. Going into the lung. Where you really want your air to go not cells to be filling in some of those patients if not intervened on They can progress then to having debt because of the overwhelming immune response to the virus that at that point might even be long gone. And that's what we kind of think about in in the clinics. We're seeing that. The first phase can be maybe about a week and then if anybody's experienced the infection some people have said then once you go into that second week sometimes people get more ill or their neighbors aren't going away or they're they're cop is getting worse and their oxygen levels are getting lower. And that's when we think the immune system might believe me playing a bigger parts. There are certain groups of people that are considered a high risk for having a serious infection. East groups of people include people like the elderly those with coexisting conditions such as heart problems or lung problems. Those who smoke and even people with Conditions that compromise our immune system. But we know. These people aren't necessarily considered only high risk for Kobe nineteen. They're considered high risk in general for any illnesses or any infections. But with this illness where saying that people who are quote young and healthy also seemed to be a pretty severely affected to a lesser degree of course but still happening. They're getting severe illnesses. Ed even dying from this illness. Is there any idea as to why is younger and Healthier Group of people seem to be Getting affected so severely bad as well. Any infection can cause mortality in low risk groups being pediatrics. I'm sure you've seen this because you know kids that are usually confide off the flu and do fight and some of them ended up in the ICU severely. Ill and die. Even though they don't necessarily have identified risk factor will unfortunately have to talk it up to almost bad luck sometimes in most cases. So there's always going to be those low risk patients that you just don't know why they're getting such a severe infection right. The risk factors that are coming out for Corona Virus Starts Tobin to sorry Per Cova. Nineteen seem to be like you said. Some of the more traditional ones older age was a big risk factor for having severe infection having a pre existing heart condition lung condition and then the healthcare setting. It seems like having exposure in the healthcare setting is a risk of more severe infections. So a lot of the young cases that are severe are coming out of the healthier setting. It's not completely clear what related to some people have the size of has to do with a more virus. Initially being exposed to more virus and higher amounts of virus early in the infection that could be leading the worst of these and that's one possibility there are also some factors that need to be confirmed out there but some people are saying that Our patients that are male more at risk or if you have a higher body mass index you're obese or overweight of humour might be a combination of some of those factors that aren't as a parent as being a ninety year old with heart disease but they might also be playing a role in some of these younger patients. Who get really ill right now. If that's very interesting night you bring that up. I was actually planning to ask you about the disproportionate amount of healthcare workers. That seem to be Getting sick from this and more so getting severely ill from it and it sounds like what you're saying is one of the hypotheses again. It sounds like there needs to be more more research done into this but that the exposure to the higher load of the virus may seem to be playing playing a role for for the specific individuals in this specific population. It's definitely a possibility that it's just that they're exposed to more of the virus and that help you refers get a higher dose of infection so to say right he also no health workers on the front lines are stress. They're probably not taking care of themselves. Bashar also probably have some immune system differences that the immune system are fast. And you're eating great healthy meals and you're getting a lot of sleep and you're not being very stressed the exact opposite of what the Hell Erebus. They're probably facing right exactly. It's that's such an unfortunate scenario right now Taylor. I wanted to switch gears here a little bit and talk about an idea that I feel like a lot of people have been talking about. It's been circulating in the news and also people even within the healthcare community seemed to be sort of talking about it and that's the that this Khurana virus and specifically this Kobe. Nineteen is only a winter virus and that once these sort of warmer temperatures. Come around like here. What we're starting to now see Glimpses of in Chicago once he sort of warmer summertime temperatures. Start coming around that. This virus is going to slowly start fading away in that in the summertime. It won't be as much of a problem. What do you have to say about that? I would love to have summer back if we'll go to the beach so I certainly hope that's true but the bottom line is no one knows for sure. This is a precedent scenario. The hypotheses that people that have been cited for why we think that the virus might see three during the summer months and looking at it from other. Krahn viruses is that both viruses are susceptible to a UV radiation from the Sun. And so they don't last as long as surfaces one of the ways that you can transmit viruses and why we say. Wash your hands all the time that if you touch something that someone who is infected touched someone infected such as visit and you touch it a few minutes later. That virus could be transmitted on that surface. So you didn't necessarily come into contact with that person you just happen. Grabbed the grocery cart after them so the hope is that the UV light from the sun and the warmer temperatures actually might prevent that virus from lasting so long on that shopping cart handle and so maybe that will slow down the spread. Sure others have pointed out well. It's spread pretty well in southern Asia in Singapore civil warmer areas. That didn't seem to work so well for them. They weren't really protected show. There's there's a lot that's not known. Another factor though. Is that people in the summer. They're not congregating indoors and coughing on each other spreading it directly. So that's another thing in the summer. We're definitely outside more. And we bite that fee in close quarters with people but I think a lot of the sort of thing is already put that one method of spread decreased it already so I certainly hope that we will have decreased spread in the summer but only time will tell Yup Yup for our listeners. When you listen to this we're not by any means saying that. Just because there's some evidence that that you'd be radiation seems to decrease viability of as far as that's not a reason to go out on the beach and start Sunday with your friends so please don't do that. They're not outweigh the benefits. The cancer still exists. Exactly exactly where you're sunblock. People is there her as far as we know right now with the current data were seeing with either this virus or some of them more similar viruses from the past. Is there any data or research to suggest that are pregnant? Patients MIGHT BE AT HIGHER RISK. Or if there's any evidence that there could be any sort of vertical transmission of this infection right now. There's not any evidence of that as much as it's been looked into At least no evidence that the pregnant people are more severely infected or have worse outcomes necessarily and there hasn't been any data that's really shown transmission from a mom to a newborn baby happening in utero or when when they're still inside the mom but there have been very young infants that have tested positive and whether that came just from being exposed right after birth. It's not clear and then I think people have been worried that what if this is something like Zepa were nine months down the road. We see the impact of the virus. And we just don't know yet at it. We didn't see it with other viruses. We haven't seen that necessarily that signal But there are ongoing research efforts right now to look into that class. John got it. Got It so more to come on that hopefully. Yeah and hopefully the reason that we're not seeing any reports is because it's not happening. Sure sure so right now. That's that's the strongest fast. But it's still being looked into got it got it. That makes sense. Thank you so now that we've talked kind of a lot about this fire as people. It's affecting what sorts of things we're seeing what the virus in terms of a clinical picture. I know right now. We talked a little bit about sort of how. There's unfortunately del Miracle Drug Right. Now or miracle therapies available. What is there anything right now? In terms of medications or other sorts of therapies. That is promising or could you? Maybe just take us through some of the therapies and some of the drugs that are being researched and looked into right out. Yeah so some of these. Some of the drugs that are being used right now are drugs. That are commonly used for other indications to their drugs that have already been made and they're available right now from pharmacies. Which is one thing that we need. If we're going to combat something very quickly you can't come up with a drug on its own and bringing a drug to market figuring out a drug that works against a specific disease or a specific virus would take years of looking at the bench and then bringing in clinical trials and everything. So it's it's nice to be able to use drugs that already exists but with that we know that these drugs weren't designed fight this virus specifically even though they might work in a test tube so to say or in the lab working in humans is a whole different ball game so I know that there have been some reports of drastic. There have been reports of different. Hiv medications like Lapenne Aveer Retana ear and Even using I saw some report in the media the other day about trying to use an anti parasitic drug Ivermectin which was tried in one lab experiment and seemed to work and so there's varying levels of support for these treatments but none of them have really seemed to work all that well but of course studies need to be done in these need to be used in the context of cynical trial so that we can actually compare this drug to another drug head-to-head or this drug to nothing had had to see if it's actually making an impact the trials that have come out so far the reports that have come out before so far have been very small and haven't actually answered the question of these work and the signals seem to actually indicate that they might not make that biggest with different. Fortunately but some of the treatments though that might have some promise are ones that would impact the immune system itself. Because I mentioned that most people will get better from the infection just by clearing the infection with their immune system but some people have that overactive immune system that can cause disease. Not being if you can find that. Goldilocks moment that moment. Where the virus has the new systems reacted enough to fight off the virus but before it's reacted too much and it's causing damage if you can get in that moment and put in some sort of drugs just kind of Paul the immune system causing damage that might actually be a really promising cure or treatment for the virus. Now the thing that you're going to have to figure out is what patients are going into. That responds where their immune system is going out of control. Identify that patient and then at what point do you give that drug? How much do you give you give it once you give it multiple times and those are questions that are being investigated also and other clinical trials arm and I think those have a lot of promise to them because antivirals you have to remember? You WanNa take those as soon as you're infected but you might be infected and not feel that bad for a few days so it's hard to catch people when they're person that's the problem that we have with the influenza drugs like everybody wants to use Tamiflu P- but it doesn't work that well after you've already had been actions for days when you're feeling crummy. It only really works if you get it right off the bat. It'd be nice if we could out the patients that are getting really sick. And that's usually a week into it or a little bit longer and then intervene at that time code affecting their immune system not necessarily affecting the viruses. Very very interesting. This this virus seems to have a lot of tricks up at sleeps. Definitely I'll viruses do yes I love. What are what are infectious disease colleagues? Always say it's just a microbes world. We just live in IT I. It seems like there's no better tactic illustrate that than right now by Saturday. He was in ICU. On life support on the machine on a ventilator doctors now trying a hail Mary pass to save his life. A treatment called convalescent plasma. But not just any plasma it has to come from a patient who survived. Corona virus has been better for fourteen days now tests negative with a compatible blood type. One other therapy at at. I've been reading a little bit more recently. Taylor and maybe you can speak a little bit more about it as well is. I've been hearing about convalescent plasma as a possible treatment for some of these more severe cases Kobe. One thousand nine hundred two. You happen to be familiar with that. Therapy is a gift. So maybe it's a little bit more about it. Yeah so the idea. There is if someone gets infected and then they get rid of the infection on their own. Presumably their immune system did something to get rid of that infection and a lot of times. What it does is it will make antibodies. And so if you have an infection in you get better. You're often protected from having that same infection again because of your antibody response so the idea is that you would take the antibodies from someone. That's gotten better from SARS to infection. Purported maxine you take those antibodies out of the patients. You clean them up and then you'd give them to someone when they're acutely ill when they're still trying to fight that action themselves. This has been worked. It's called passive immunity and it's worked for many many years. It's one of the first things that was discovered to worked against different pathogens over one hundred years ago right now. There's not a ton of people out there that we can say for shirked you got better from this infection and we collected your buddies or we know how to collect your antibodies. No the right doses. All of this questions. You have with antivirals but it's something that we are actively trying figure out and with that comes the question of how do we test to see if somebody has had the virus already recovered from it and a Lotta Times? You'll test for those candies. But in order to test for those antibodies you need to have a good clinical could taps out there and then it almost becomes a catch twenty two. You need enough people to have recovered to develop those tests to detect that have recovered and that's kind of the point. Where at right now? Where a lot of companies are trying to develop these. Antibodies tests to test people. Antibodies that we need to figure out are those tests really reliable in the population and then once we identify those patients can get antibodies from them and transport. Use them into other patients. And there's always side effects again with interest thing. I won't get into the details but they're putting someone else's antibodies into another person. You always have different risks that go along with that. They're going to be looking closely at especially for viral infections. Sometimes it can make things worse. Yup Not something to be taken lightly by any means right. Don't go bleeding your neighbor next door. I was just about to go do that. I WanNa turn just briefly touch on the on the topic of immunity. Now that we've sort of been talking about that for the last few minutes. Can you just for our listeners? Who may not be familiar with this concept? Can you explain the concept of herd immunity to our listeners? And what exactly that means yeah. So that's that's why we think vaccination is so important for the whole population is this concept of herd immunity and the general idea. Is that enough people in a community. Have either seen a virus or seen a pathogen or seen part of that virus or pathogen through vaccine that their immune system has responded by usually making these antibodies. So that the next time they encounter that virus they won't get sick or that their immune system to take care of it ends with that. You would have the idea that. Say all of your friends around. You have seen this virus. But you haven't but they kind of make this protective shield around you. His they're not going to transmit that virus. They're not gonNA get infected with it again so even though you might not have seen that virus before the viruses meeting and make it to you because your friends that are forming this protective circle around. You aren't GonNa let it aren't gonNA keep transmitting it. And for each virus and each pathogen. It's a different amount of friends that you need around you to have protection so for the measles we know you have to have a lot of people around. You have immunity for that virus to get stamped out and for if one person walked into the room with the virus you'd have to have over ninety percent of the people in that room to have that immunity to it for that virus not to spread through the population so we don't know for Corona virus is how many people are it's GonNa take to have that herd immunity but we do know that right now. No one has it so. This virus came into a population where nobody was protected from it. We didn't have an immune response in the community and that's able to just spread like wildfire because nobody is naturally into it now. A lot of people are becoming immune to it by getting infected. At what point enough people have been infected and our immune that the virus slows spreading down. We'll have to see sure is cirque any even idea or any sort of theories about somebody who was infected with this virus. What the duration of their immunity could be right now or is that something that we still are working on figuring out. Actually there are some clues from the first SARS starts infections. That came up players ago so they looked at the duration of antibody response in patients after they had been infected and what it looked like is it definitely seemed to stick around for a year but once you started going beyond that more to like two years or longer. The amount of antibodies in Houston systems decreased. Now the patients weren't gonNA BE RE exposed to the virus. So who knows what level of antibodies? You'd need to be protected in that what you would go below that level that you need to be protected but it does seem like antibodies went away over time. Got It so. We're not sort of at a point yet where someone who has confirmed that they've had the infection tested positive for it gone through south isolation had been confirmed that that they are now negative for the virus and that they've cleared it they still can't necessarily it's too soon to say whether or not they can just breathe a sigh of relief. That now they don't have to worry about getting sick going for probably not in the immediate time period. We're talking years here but we don't know for the rest of your life you're probably not gonNA be protected although if this turns into something that circulates in the happy relation every year you get continually re exposed to it which did not happen with the first stars we got rid of that and we you know kind of locked it away in labs. It wasn't in the population so with this one. If it does start to circulate and you start to see it again and again every couple of years maybe your immunity will get boosted enough naturally that you will be protected for a longer period of time record. Come up with a vaccine right right. Could this could you save course? It may be too early to tell but could you see this develop into a situation where like we get the seasonal influenza vaccine annually. It may be something similar to that where we may in a few years live in a society where a annual Baranova respect seen. Maybe something that we have to put as part of a routine health maintenance visits it's possible it's also possible that this virus could die down and we don't necessarily see high mortality rates anymore from it and then perhaps it's something that we have more like smallpox. Where if we have an emerging virus than we could go up and back at the top at that point and we have stockpiles of the vaccine at the ready. I don't know what what it's going to. The vaccination strategy is going to be certainly right now. It would be a different scenario than if we got this virus under control right now just me vaccinate people to get to control the spread germs expense and that brings me to my last point of sort of just vaccine development. Of course. Can you talk through just in general? What does vaccine developed? What is the vaccine development process? Look like so it's funny. The vaccine development processes something that can take many many many years as it should Although some people wouldn't like you don't want to believe that we actually do that vaccines and make sure they're safe before we use them in the populations and so there's no way around that process we the vaccines have to go through. Multiple levels of clinical trials starting out with small groups of people that are healthy to see if the vaccine has any harm to those people and then moving to looking at patients that are exposed to the virus and seeing does a vaccine. Actually work in those clinical trials. You're talking about thousands millions of patients that need to be involved and so those trials take many many months to years before those trials can start. You have to find a vaccine that might work and you have to make that vaccine. Luckily there were some early wins so to say in the lab where we were able to take In the general not me they were able to take knowledge from the first SARS virus and kind of plug and Chug vaccines in the lab and actually get new vaccine platforms in the sequence from this virus so once they figured out what type of virus it was and what the DNA sequence was they were able to plug it in and start making these acceding candidates and actually what used to take years in the lab to figure out vaccine candidates they were able to do in the matter of months which is amazing and they were able to start some of those early clinical trials already but they still. The clinical trials will take months to years. So it's GonNa take a while after that you have to remember. Once you've proven vaccine is safe and that it works then you have to make it in a huge scale so then we have to figure out how you can make enough doses to get them out to everyone and distributed across the world. So it's not something that's easy or quick and that's even assuming that we find ones that work some some of the vaccines that seemed to work really well for the first stars at least in animal models it works better in the younger populations not necessarily in the older populations where you need it. The most. So it's GonNa be the first one we try might not be the one that ends up working right. Right awesome well. Is there any final messages? You have for audience or anything else. You'd like them to know that. Maybe we didn't talk about today Not Really I think we've covered a lot of things I know people are asking. What do we do at home and religious? Stay home and watch your hands. Try Not to go out to the community as much as possible We really rely on everyone else to keep each other safe this. It doesn't seem like we're doing much but is one of my mentors day. What is bad cats at saying? It's your kid you don't just stand there do nothing because that's actually really important. Yeah that sounds like Doing nothing sounds like the perfect life motto. Right now also. Well thank you so much Taylor for coming out and talking with us. I think we have a lot of good information that hopefully our listeners can learn from and as we talked about during this interview we talked a lot about how a lot of information has yet to come forward and theirselves so much to learn so hopefully in the future we can have you come on again. enlighten us a little bit more warm friendly awesome. Thanks dealer medicine remakes them. We hope you enjoyed today's episode of inside the hospital. 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Covid-19 ethics: Should we deliberately infect volunteers in the name of science? (part 1)
"The. The Guardian. High in him before we start today's episode, we have a word from Jonathan Freedland on a new podcast from the Guardians Politics team. I'm Jonathan Freedland, and if you didn't know I'm an American politics obsessive every Friday for the next three months. I'll chat with some of the Guardians, best reporters and columnists in the US about a single question prompted by the twenty twenty campaign they navigate what is already one of the most bitter divisive and important presidential contests in American history the current president has cloak American darkness for much too. Long this election will decide whether we will defend the American way of life for whether, we will allow ARY radical movement to completely dismantle and destroy it. You can find it unusual politics we feed on Apple spotify wherever you get your podcasts. Well I feel about vaccines like I feel about tests. This is going to go away without a vaccine MRS deputy speaker. We all know though that over the long term, the best solution to this crisis would be a vaccine can defeat the virus and to deploy it and every single corner of the world and I'm I'm hearing all sorts of positive annoys is a number of vaccines are now in phase three, clinical trials is face three must take. Because you need to see how truly protected the vaccine is you also need to see how safe it is. Again, we'd love to see if we could do it prior to the end of the year. We think we're going to have some very good results coming out very quickly. Tens of realistic timelines where really not expecting to see. Widespread vaccination until the middle of next year. In the hurry to make a vaccine for covid nineteen that is both effective and safe to use around the world researches must obviously get the science right but there are serious ethical challenges to. To prove that vaccines fit for use clinical trials go through a number of phases. The Oxford thanks this has been recruiting more than ten thousand adults and children. Some will be given the vaccine candidate others control. Then the volunteers sent out into the world see how each group fast. But rumbling along in the background of all of this is a debate between. Researchers health professionals about whether we should also be running human challenge trials where volunteers deliberately infected with covid nineteen or at least a weakened strain of the SAWS cough to virus. Yongin and goes that deliberately infecting willing participants will give us better information about the disease and vaccine treatment much faster. Yet there are also those who who, resolutely not in favor of running covid nineteen challenge trials at least not for the moment. For them the risks remained two great. We had an internal checklist. which included the following question would I advise my family members to participate and the answer was no our group decided that we would not do that particular challenge. I'm in sample and this science weekly. Today you'll be hearing the first part of the conversation that dives into these thorny. Issues. To tackle some of the questions surrounding the use of human challenge trials for Covid, nineteen vaccines I sat down virtually three experts. So I'm Beth Ajmini and I A, I'm a philosopher and medicine fellow at the. Center for. The University of Oxford and I worked a initiative recently recent gopher book type of the ethics of vaccination high seem shine bioethicist at Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago, and Northwestern University and I. I became involved in challenge that he's when I chaired a panel on the ethics Zeka virus talent trials for the age. This is Myron M Levin Friends Call Me, Mike I'm the Associate Dean for Global Health Back Sinology Endon Sexual Diseases at the University of Maryland, School of Medicine Mike. You've been doing human challenge Charles in form or another for decade starting I think with color in the nineteen seventies. Can you tell us first off what exactly is a human challenge trial? How do? They work it's where a woman who creates an experimental infection in a volunteers under very carefully controlled and monitored conditions. When we began doing challenge studies in the nineteen seventies, they were very much out of the mainstream. Now, they become very very mainstream and they represent one more tool that we have to study pathogenesis of a particular infection which gives insights of how to make vaccines or perhaps to design therapeutics. We can look at immune responses in a way that is truly unique because you know the antibody or cellular immunological status at the moment of challenge of the volunteers, and that may be the single most important use of challenge models as a tool in the modern era. And do you have a sense of how much they can speed up vaccine development? Don't think they speed up vaccine development that much. I think this is a buzz that was put out early on in a couple of short papers by. Folks who meaning well, but had no experience doing challenge studies and I'm not sure that they really accelerate but in the end once to use. Challenge studies as a tool to develop an interventions such as vaccine and vaccine has to go through evaluation more definitive evaluation of efficacy and safety and much larger numbers of individuals, and there is no shortcut to that. Seema there's a debate going on now around human challenge trawls covid nineteen vaccines. Why does some clinicians and scientists WanNa go down that route? So I think that Mike was right that in general, there was a lot of excitement about challenge studies at the beginning of this pandemic as potentially outside of the box way to speed up vaccine development. But those proposals really didn't pay attention to how long it takes to set up a challenge model, and also how quickly vaccine development was proceeding. There are instances where challenge studies can really. Make a difference in vaccine development. So with Zico epidemic, for instance, when it became impossible to conduct field trials, virus vaccines because outbreaks were so sporadic, you couldn't launch a vaccine trial and time in particular site. Then challenge studies offered a way to continue to test Zico virus vaccines, and since it seems like Sika hasn't completely gone away. That's an important way that these tools can be used but that's very different from the current context where we've seen really accelerated vaccine testing and large numbers of volunteers participating, which can give us the best data about whether these vaccines will work for everyone I think the couple of possibilities that are still viable options for challenge. that. He's right now things like testing reinfection trying to understand reinfection better. Because right now, we don't really know how likely people are to become reinfected and whether they're going to be more sick or less sick after their reinfected, we only have four cases confirmed of reinfection and it could also be really helpful for finding second-generation vaccine. So once we find the first vaccine that works, it's not likely to be perfect and may not be safe as we would like, may not work in all populations and to quickly test and compare the vaccine that was first to be proven effective against many other vaccine candidates and development that might be another really valuable use of challenge studies. Good Day of the hesitancy around challenge. Charles is obviously linked to health risks Alberta. We know Kobe nine nine is a killer for a minority of people and deeply unpleasant many more and his long term impacts still largely unknown in in all sorts of age groups I mean given that's the case. Is it possible to say sort of what level of harm is acceptable when people are deliberately infected with the virus? These perhaps the main Ithaca question we talk about Charon. The level of risk that is acceptable. Not Studies is. What the threshold. So the requirement for turning studies, but he needed for any kind of research is that the risk should be minimized as much as possible. Now Independent. Studies. Commenting about. Ways of minimizing tourists are things like, for example, selecting participants, we've been the age range that he's lowest three Skar from covid nineteen. So for example, people aged between eighteen and thirty, that would be would county this because they are capable of giving consent boundaries. Coming being for them is relatively low by it's like with you not. We don't know yet what the long thermal petitions of. Infections are and this is something that should be taken into account for example, when we decide whether or not PC Bunsen. These OTC some famous. The more stander traditional research participants are sometimes were often compensated for time and therefore. They're not compensated for the risks of drug than have steak. By, indicates China's studies. There is a stronger case of for taking risks input counts tool. Allow disagree and think more carefully about whether or not. He special compensated. It's important to protect participants from the risks of challenge studies in so far as possible, and then also to make sure that they are cared for in case, they actually do come to harm. Some people have suggested that the way to do that is not to compensate or pay for risk up front, but actually to create a system so that any kind of injury that occurs is taking care of the participants have access to the healthcare they need. And that if they have longer term burdens or loss of wages that those things are paid for his well, some people have also spoken about a death benefit that would be given to the family members of somebody who died and challenge studies if that were to happen So I think these. Although I agree with Alberto that it's really important to ensure that if participants take on risks, they aren't left to bear the costs of a harms alone. It seems to me that the right way to do that is to take care of them if they are harmed. My view is that the two things are compatible. So you can easily have both balked indicators of trump's studies I think that he's a stronger case for an additional requirement of a for the risks. So these are different things. These are two separate things, but they're not to the exclusive as. See. Mike I wondered if I could bring you in here. I, mean this idea of risk obviously, you want to minimize the risk as much as possible. Is there a general rule on where you set the acceptable risk level what is deemed to be acceptable or? Looking infectious diseases. You have things like it bowler at one end and a common cold at the other. The way we have handled this at our center. Over the decades. Is. To consider the degree of comfort et CETERA and the period of time that such a discomfort might occur and then we had an internal checklist a which included the following question would I advise my family members who were eligible to participate and the answer was no our group decided that we would not do that particular challenge and there were Instances where other groups in the? Late nineteen eighties, for example, are nineteen nineties went ahead with some. infection models that that we had a turned down the judgments around all of this Mike, they must have to take into account. The potential for adverse events and with the new disease really hard to know presumably what they will be. Absolutely, and that's one reason for caution on the other hand if this bacterial retire Siddiq and we had an intervention that changes things if knows one can have a reasonably high degree of being able to interrupt reliably the infection consequences that's very different from viral disease where one typically does not have a trip interruption, but we need to put the challenged model in the overall context of what the model is supposed to do. Most of us believe that to get past this the the. The enemy we face, which is this SARS cuvee to virus that causes this bad disease in segments of the population that we need a vaccine, and that's best ensure a way that we can try to interrupt transmission indirectly or directly protect those at highest risk, and then be able to up Connie's and send people back to school. The reality is. There is a segment of the population in all industrialized countries. Also in. Low and middle income countries. That is a very hesitant about taking vaccine. So. If there were her even though it's a calculated risk even though you take. An Age group where a bad or fatal disease is uncommon. If, there were to be a bad event. You need to consider that in the very broad context. How does that really help excel her or allow us to get where we want to be. With a an efficacious and safe vaccine based in trials and tens of thousands but then that has been given to millions. And hundreds of millions. We need people to have confidence if a bad thing occurred in a challenge study I think that ends up. You know front page I think that that would push things the other way. I wondered if I put in Semen Alberto hair and ask them. At what point do you? Say you know enough about the disease and enough about a vaccine to understand the risk that a challenge trauma volunteer will face. Do you WanNa? Go first I think we have to recognize that uncertainty is inherent in research. The goal of research is to learn about diseases or vaccines. There's some amount of uncertainty that you have to accept if you want to do research that said. There's a lot less that we know about this disease when you compare challenge studies with. SARS covy to to challenge studies with malaria cholera. These are diseases where in the case of malaria, there's a treatment that you specific treatment that is curative against malaria that is susceptible to that treatment. So that's what people are infected with when we've interviewed challenge study volunteers in the past and ask them about risks and burdens in the challenge cities that are more common people often emphasize that they're quite burdensome. You have to spend a lot of time coming to the research site or even being isolated there you have to receive a number of. Tests and be closely monitored. Many of them even just really bothered about having to wake up early and get to the site germ rush hour traffic but the concern that they might have had about risk whether there were these longer term complications that would never go away and I think that's what gives me the most PAS right now about SARS covy to challenge studies. So while I think that in general, we accept some uncertainty in research. It seems like SARS. Copied to Chelsea's sort of bumping up against the upper limit of what we would. Permit, and then when you think about the value that they might add and the risks of public distrust that they could engender it's a really it's really unclear to me how SARS COVA to challenge cities might actually be worth those risks and harms. So with Seema and this brings me back to your said before the indicators of COVINGTON team we there is way more uncertain because we really don't know much about this viruses and above the long-term consequences. So I agree that in this case that he's more uncertain and therefore. Is Very difficult to say what unacceptable except eleven of East because we don't know what long-term oldest are. Back Jesus one far rogue program. So these one consideration on the other hand need to go see their woody of Turkeys are your turn scenarios are. So referring about of disease that has affected and is likely perfect huge number of people for example, what Reverend question is how lucky you see to bet? Reserve participants will get infected anyway some point. One thing that we are uncertain about now is actually infectious rates and to me so I disagree with Seema. He is the reason in favor of heavy chatting Stein's in covenant team. These again. Wind. Made before about whether or not? We should compensation eighty. Four south quite apart from convincing them for any possible harm. I wondered if. I could ask you about the the posing of the Oxford vaccine trial. We've heard this week that the trial was posed I. Think it was for the second time actually because of one of the volunteers falling l.. We obviously don't know the details of how connected if a tall that illnesses to the vaccine but the. Condition which appears be transverse. My light is is is not be associated with some infections. How things like that? If the tool at affect the sort of judgments around challenged. Charles? looney ends in a very abstract way Bad. Things do happen. Even if they're rare when such a thing happens in a challenge study, it has consequences there is the same as. Episode of Jesse Gal Singer a young man of I think he was nineteen years of age and had a very mild clinically mild form of a genetic defect that is severe in most individuals that were gene therapy experiments going on in volunteers the. Gene. That was to repair his defective gene was to be given by means of in Adenovirus early vector, and he was given a huge dose and there was a cited storm he went into shock he died. That led to a shutdown of all clinical research and we will shut down like every other place that there was such a push back at the time. These kind of consequences that can occur as rare as can be, but they occur when they occur the consequences can be enormous I think it makes points about the fact that any serious adverse events is something that when the entire world is watching is going to reverberate and have consequences, and if that kind of adverse event had occurred challenge study, there would. Be predictable and negative consequences from that adverse event. But I also think it's an important illustration of why clinical trials with large numbers of people are valuable to do. This vaccine is going to be given to hopefully pretty much everyone in the world. So very low rates of adverse events are things that we do have to worry about and having larger trials and then having safety monitoring after vaccines are given to people will be really critical in this pandemic and to get us to the other side of the pandemic. So I think that four the AstraZeneca news that's an illustration of clinical trials doing what they're supposed to do and catching events that are then very carefully examine to see if are caused in fact by the vaccine or not. That kind of data is really valuable and. Can't really be produced from challenge study. That's IT for part one. Matter of York's the child have now resumed following an investigation and recommendation to the medical and healthcare. Products Regulatory Agency. In part to all joined once again by Sima Myron Alberto when we'll be discussing the importance of rescue treatments. How made sure participants truly understand the risks giving consent a running trail with octogenarians. If there was a group where a challenge steady would really provide information of great public health impact in would be in older individuals where the risks would be very, very, very real even a of death, but the value of the information would be so much greater. Have ethicists discussed that amongst themselves all coming up in Thursday's episode. Until. Then stay safe unless new your thoughts by emailing science weekly The Guardian Dot Com. Guardian.
Advice On Talking To Kids About Racism, Protests And George Floyds Death
"Hi I'm Jen White and this is reset. Sloan. A. God Kroll. Baked me. Just, That's twelve year old gospel singer, key Dron Bryant and the powerful protest song that's captured the nation's attention. His mother Janetta says she wrote the Song in light of the events that unfolded after the death of George Floyd. Floyd was a black man who died after former Minneapolis police officer Derek. Shelvin was captured on video with his knee on Floyd's neck for nearly nine minutes. Janetta says she wanted to give her son wisdom to live confidently in this world as a young black, man. So! How do we talk to children and young people about Floyd's death? And how can we tackle conversations about racism protests and police brutality? Dr Beverly Tatum's a psychologist and author of why are all the black kids sitting together in the cafeteria and other conversations about race? Welcome to reset. Thank you. Thanks very much. Also with us is Dr Nia heard Garris. She's a physician and researcher at Children's Hospital of Chicago and Northwestern University. Feinberg School of Medicine Dr. Garris welcome back to the program. Thank you so much for having me? To guarantee, you have an eight year old son. How are you talking to him about what's going on right now? I I I know this is off script, but I just WANNA. Say Hi to Dr Tatum. She was the Spelman College President While I. was there I'm a stomach night so I'm really delighted to be on the program with her She is one of the experts that we look to. So I'm so happy for my own son. It has been challenging conversation because as parents, we are supposed to filter the world for children, and we're supposed to help them make sense. Sense of what's going on and we purposely did not show the video of George Void staff because I thought it would be too traumatic for hand, and probably most kids his age, so instead we we centered our conversation about the history of America, and why things are the way they are, and why the protests and civil unrest has kind of unfolded in our city because he's seen buildings, you know, be shut down roads being close, and he's asking questions and wondering why. Dr Tatum as we just heard from Dr Heard Garish. There's a lot to. UNPACK how do you start in age appropriate conversation about racism and police violence with young people. What's a good first step? Well, I think first of all I wanNA. Say Hello to Dr Her garrison delighted to have overnight on with me, so that's exciting, but I want to say that you know often we can take our cues from the children themselves so depending on the age. They're gonNA do different things, but even very young children can express concern about what they see or over here. Even if they haven't seen the video itself, they might see that adults around them are upset and might ask Mommy. Why are you upset or you know what's going on? And even a small child can be talked to buy small I mean even four or five years old can be talked to. In terms of what is fair and unfair and. Emphasizing that it's important for all of us to work to ensure everyone experiences fairness. Back to her Gareth something. After tatum SAT, there stood out to me I. think it can be our instinct as adult to. Perhaps, try to tap down our emotions. To have every reason to conversation with children or young people and I wonder if instead there is power and letting them see our upset in letting them experience our our deep sadness and grief. Is there some power in that? I definitely think so I. Think we allow ourselves to feel all the fields experience all the motions and really go through that process i. do think it's important that we take care of ourselves, so I before we have the conversation putting our own oxygen mask on first, so if we need mental health support we need. Friends to help get through I. Think we need to address at first, but I do think it's important that children see that it affects us to an unrelated story, so my son is doing home. Schooling and said to me Oh God I'm so upset that I can't go to school from home. And it was having a lot of issues with that and said you're not affected by this at all like aren't. Aren't you sad? And why aren't you know hurt? And so? That was a good reminder for me to say no. This is affecting me, too, and so similarly with what we're. We're right now. I have to say I. I am not happy about what's going on. I am really sad, but I'm trying to do everything I can to make this world a better place for you, and so are a lot of other people. Dr. Tatum I've been hearing from a lot of white parents. Asking about how to have these conversations with their children with their white children's specifically. and. Please feel free to jump right on. Well, let me just say white children have questions to and sometimes those questions started the very young age. You know a young white child as young as three might notice physical differences, racial skin differences comment on those differences and parents often respond by trying to hush them. is often the most common adult response as opposed to really answering in a direct way. Chelsea question about why someone looks different than they do at Cetera, but having said that. Again I'M GONNA. Say Children often give the opening, but if white parent is wanting to start the conversation, they can say you know I've been watching the news. I'm really concerned about what's happening in our community. It's important to me that you understand what's going on. Let me tell you something about it. You know to her to yours. You said you didn't allow your eight year old son to watch the video. We're in a time when you know social media is rampant, and if you have a slightly older child who has a phone has. To. To the Internet to social media, there's a good chance they'll see it even if you don't want them to. Four an older child or teen who seen that video, and has come away with it with a feeling of trauma or anger. How do you start to talk them through that? Yes absolutely you know if a child sees that video or any other video I think the trouble with the Internet and social media. In this age, it's been able to bring to light all these tragedies and things that should be prevented, but they live forever. So you know you're E, c George, Floyd but you can also see other videos that are equally disturbing, and I think the important thing is to be able to talk to your kids about what they're seeing. What they've seen and kind of start there 'cause you're. You're not sure the extensive have seen everything what was said what was heard and so accessible. They know start there first before you introduced anymore information that might be traumatizing to them, and then I would sit down and talk to them about how they're feeling and I. Don't think it's a off compensation. It's going to be a conversation. You're going to have to revisit. frequently to make sure that they are able to process and cope with all those feelings because it was a really hard video to watch. Factor tatum a lot of what I hear Dr. heard gear is saying. Is that parents? While they may feel the need to lead the conversation a lot of what they may be doing. An Anglican say parents and adults because we all have young one our lives, a lot of what you may actually be doing is asking questions and listening. That's probably where you need to start. Absolutely, and I think you know as was said acknowledging the child's feelings, and acknowledging that you two might have similar feelings, but to be able to talk about the feelings what what has happened the unfairness of what has happened, but a point that Dr Garrison made was that it's important to also in the course of that conversation. Let the child know that there are people working to make it better. I'm working to make it better. Our families working to make it better. Our friends are working to make it better because you want to leave. The child's feeling a sense of hopefulness, even in the midst of this very difficult situation. Dr Gears it. When we when we think about. Hope. And trying to leave young people with a sense of hope. In talking to the people in my life there is. And specifically black black people, black young people. There's this deep sense of discouragement because. They've heard the stories from their parents and grandparents and great grandparents. And they look at the moment we're in now. And they cannot understand. Why we're here. And I mean I get pushed back from. When I tried to. Leave them with a feeling of hope. They're dealing with hopelessness. How do you navigate that space? That's right on, and honestly that's consistent with The the research is well. It's that when when children are exposed to racism, there can be these feelings of helplessness, hopelessness and despair, and it's understandable that you have those feelings I think you know It's natural for adults who have seen been lived through all of these events, and then now for young. Young folks to witness and have heard from their their parents and their caregivers about what's happened from their lifetime, and now to have those feelings we call that secondary exposure vicarious racism, so that's secondhand racism, and just even like second hand smoke. You're not the one smoking, but you get the all the negative impacts of that similar to the second hand racism. Racism were experiencing one of The cities we've been working on is trying to understand. What are the coping strategies and what we've seen so far is being able to talk to a trusted adult to talking to a parent or caregiver. Someone else that you trust as well as peers has been really helpful to counteract those feelings of hopelessness and another Big thing that we've seen is the is activism, and so generally teams would engage in activism online. And posting sharing stories, talking to their friends is another way, but we've got to make sure they do it and keep themselves safe while they're expressing their their belief. Dr Tatum. You're an expert in child, psychology and race relations and I want to take this back to. Really win. Kids start to form ideas about race. We know when they're very young. They're just sponges. They soak up everything the good and the bad. So. What should parents? Do when a child has perhaps absorbed something, and and maybe says something, offensive or racist and conversation. Because you know kids, kids often don't have filters. How can appear respond in that moment? In a way that makes sense yeah I. Think the first thing that parent can do is ask questions I. You know I'm wondering why you said that. Or what made you think that? Or what do you think that's true and here? Where the child got the idea, I wanNA use distant a simple example. I have two sons when my oldest son was about four, he told me that only men could be doctors. Who? He was talking to his mother Dr Tatum. And I said why do you think that's true? And he began to list all the medical doctors he had encountered. All were male and I said well I. Get that, but you know I know some female doctors in my doctor's female and you see what I'm saying, so I'm exploring the child's logic. You know and then countering with the accurate information. In the case of a racist remark, maybe a child makes maybe they've heard someone. Say It, and you can question. Where did you get that information? But then you can say you know. Some people might think that, but I don't or we don't, and here's why we think others you know. Here's what I think, and here's what I know. Here's the information I have and. Then maybe encourage the child not to repeat what they said. For parents who don't feel equipped to start those conversations, specifically white parents who? are nervous because they like I, don't I? Don't really know how to ask the right question. Are there resources you can point people to to help them. There are lots of resources, particularly online and I. WanNa make reference to a Ted Talk I gave which is titled Is My. Skin Brown because I drink chocolate milk, and it's about a conversation. I had with my son when he was three based on something that happened to him at preschool. A white child said to him your skin is Brown because you drink too much chocolate milk and he came home and asked me if that was true. Then of course, it's not true. and. Then said to him. No, your skin is brown because you have something in your skin, call Melanin. Everybody has some the more you have, the Browning your skin is at your school. You're the kid with the most. He was happy with that answer. And of course it was accurate, but I wondered what had happened to the white child to ask the question. Did he ever get that question? Answered and I use that as an example to say. That video, it's thirteen minutes talk. Anybody can watch it on Youtube, but there are lots of other resources with parents and psychologist like myself and. Dr Gareth giving advice and so you don't just have to read books. Of course there's plenty of books to read. I would recommend my own wire. All black kids sitting together in the cafeteria and other conversations about race, which has specific information about how to talk the young children about race. But. There are many resources many more today than they were before. So there's no reason a white parent can't embrace the process of educating Emma herself if they're ready to take on. Then we'll tweet out links to both the Ted talk and to your book at Wbz Reset. Dr Her gears. I want to be sure that we don't. Make this GESTA conversation about. How we feel you've studied the implications of macro and micro level stressors, and how the fact children's health. What kind of effects does racism have on a child's health and wellbeing? Thank you for that question because I think when we? Talk about racism. Like you know doesn't realize that it really does get under our skin, and it's not only black and brown children, but all children maybe victims of that exposure, and as I was saying before about the secondhand exposure to racism. Even though you're experiencing it secondhand, you can certainly experienced firsthand than mental health impacts, so for example there have been studies that have shown that children that have been exposed to vicarious racism or the secondhand racism or more likely to have insult to their self esteem, or like leading us substances, such as drugs or alcohol, and have anxiety and depression, but also from a behavioral standpoint so. Exposure to this racism can perhaps have children be more aggressive or disruptive, but also on the other end of the section they can become more withdrawn and isolated, and so these are some of the behavioral and Mental Health Aspects We've seen. We need much many more studies, so look at the physical health impacts of low, but there are studies that have seen differences in wait for those that have been exposed to racism as a whole, but also vicarious racism, and so we're we're going to need much. Many more studies is to understand the implications of health, but we are certainly seeing at least mental and physical health implications right now. Dr Tatum I I want to ask a slightly different question. You know we're. We're in the middle of a pandemic, so we aren't necessarily spending as much time together. But for parents who are in communities or in families where? Racist language may be used. And they may find themselves in a situation where a family member, perhaps a beloved family member. Is expressing racist sentiments. How was apparent? How is a parent? Do you step in? And interrupt that especially if it's happening within. Earshot of your child. I think this is a really great question, and for many people. It's probably the hardest instance because they don't want a rupture relationship with a loved one and yet they don't want to pass on to another generation. These negative attitudes is sometimes suggest that people use what I call the three F- strategy. What does that means felt found feel. You know I felt that way. I used to think that way, but then I found out how wrong I was. I learned this information, and I, now feel it's really important not to pass on those attitudes to my own kids, so let's agree that we won't use that language. When we're here. I'm going to give you the last word here Dr her garrison last words of advice. Now My. Advice to parents out there is give kids hope you know, give kids hope for the future. Let them know on both sides on multiple sides kit that parents and adults love them and are fighting for them. It's always it's not always easy to see, but we if we can all join together and and worked to fight racism. Our world will be better today than it was yesterday. And that's where today's reset this week will continue covering the stories and answering the questions that matter to you. If you want to share your story, or you have a question about protests in Chicago the city's face, three reopening or local officials are handling the covert nineteen pandemic. Leave us a voicemail at eight, eight, eight, nine, one, five, nine, nine, four, five. That's Eight, eight, nine, one, five, nine, nine, four five, but that's it for sat. Stay healthy. Stay safe and let's talk again tomorrow.
Where the United States Postal Service Stands on Mail-In Ballots Come November 2020-08-05
"Neither snow, nor, rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds. Now, the US Postal Service says no problem on mail and voting even if the president has doubts and your talking to us about I retired from the United States Postal Service after thirty year career we always took ballot handling very seriously. It's an honorable responsibility to through enough fair to have given all the other pressures that. Their faith thing is what we're talking about on the takeaway for Wednesday August fifth. Glad you're with me I'm tenzing Vega also an explosion in Beirut rocks, the area for miles around and causes an instant humanitarian crisis. It doesn't look like it was just a case of massive negligence compounded with some Christian. Matz. UAE is extremely explosive potential is being stored the actual plus why the life expectancy of hip hop artists can be very low but I. With less than one hundred days left before the presidential election the trump administration has been attacking the United States, postal service, and the use of mail in ballots a Monday the president tweeted that the postal service quote could never handle the traffic of male and votes without preparation. The Postal Service responded saying it is prepared for the onslaught of ballots. The president trump has had his eye on undermining the postal service for years according to The New York Times. After the recent appointment of a major trump donor to postmaster general, the organization stopped paying overtime which led to delays in mail delivery experts worry that the administration's continual attacks on the postal service may place mail in votes in jeopardy. Joining me now is bridget Bergen city. Hall, and Politics Reporter at WNYC. Great to have you as always bridget. Thanks tenzing. Also with us is Christopher W Shaw historian policy analyst, and author of preserving the People's post office Chris. Thanks for being with us. Glad to be here. Thank you and you Chris got the first question what some of the biggest changes you've seen with the postal service nationally under the trump administration. Well, the biggest one is just what's happened now, where we're reducing the ability to have overtime and when you have an institution that has seen number of employees fall by tens of thousands in the last ten to fifteen years at the same time that the population keeps growing. So you have more houses or apartments or businesses to deliver to. this is a recipe for not being able to fulfil the mission of the Postal Service of delivering. To the American people. Bridget looking at this from a microcosm here through the New York state primary, which was more than a month ago. The Mail in ballots that were were filed than are just being finish counted yesterday were just finished counted yesterday. Catch US up. What are the issues that happened in New York. Well there are a lot of issues tenzin but specific to the the mail and voting New York because of the pandemic. Allowed voters to apply for absentee ballots. So they could vote from home We don't have a vote by mail system here in New York. So this was a way to allow people to cast their ballot during this pandemic without having to go to pull site and new. Yorkers took advantage of that by you know a dramatic number, a tenfold increase compared to two thousand sixteen with the number of people applying for absentee ballots. That obviously put a strain on both the board of elections to process and get those ballots out as well as the postal service, which is obviously the conduit for managing all those ballots and so one of the things that we saw in part because there were this this opportunity to vote by absentee ballot was because of executive orders issued by Governor Andrew Cuomo the laws. kind of kept changing throughout the primary season. But to keep on top of all of that ultimately here in New York City ballots went out particularly late and one of the things it's essential for about to count in New York state is that it needs to be postmarked and it needed to be postmarked by June twenty third, which was the date of the primary so just Recently there was a federal lawsuit over the fact that some voters and candidates were saying that too many ballots that were returned to the board of elections were being invalidated because they were missing that postmark, and so that was the subject of a hearing and decision that actually just came this week where the judge ruled that many of those ballots needed to be counted Even if they were missing postmark because based on the testimony that was given from the board of elections and the post office, there had been some problems. So a lot going on there but also a lot of opportunity to make some changes before November Chris when you hear examples like what bridget just described New York I, mean this was a really an issue of postmarks which. I think a lot of voters were probably surprised by when you hear what's happening in New York and what's going on do you think about what the country might be facing in November if as bridget suggests changes are not made soon enough will we have different systems for what needs to happen to about in terms of what does it need to be on on election day to need to be postmarked by election day and they're different in every state, and so we need to be prepared for this and we need to have the postal. Service talking to the secretaries of state in the different states to make sure that those ballots are going to be counted. Grizz, are you worried that as we head into the selection that we just mentioned that this hop that the new postmaster general for the US Postal Service is also a big trump donor president trump as has often placed people who are very supportive of him in positions of power But are you worried that that move is politicized politicizing the post office and a service that all Americans regardless of political affiliation rely on? I am worried about that and I'm also worried about these when he talks about how the million dollars is somehow. Likely to lead to fraud or a rigged election because it really undermines the basics audio of democracy I mean the most important thing we do together as a nation is vote in these kinds of statements undermine legitimacy of the election and I think that's very, very troubling prospect when four. Bridget, what are you hearing from posted from the postal workers union about their ability to do the work that needs to happen for upcoming elections yet, I've spoken to two of the union leaders here in New York particularly in Brooklyn where we saw some of the highest numbers of ballots that were delivered missing postmark I talked to Tom McMenemy. Who is president of the American postal. Workers Union, he's got about fourteen hundred members, the retail clerks, drivers, mail processors, and he said, you know his his members are absolutely feeling the. Impact of these new postmaster general policies and it's a real concern to him. You know as a union leader, he sees it as a real imperative that by mail and or absentee ballot voting here new? York goes smoothly and works while in all votes are counted. He thinks that will benefit his members and the way he said it to me was this whole notion that they would potentially leave male behind that goes against everything that they're trained to do you know with the postal services always about hustling to get the mail out? He also said the pandemic has hit the agency really hard. So they're not working at full capacity. So they need more support in that regard but he really feels like some of these changes are disservice He knows that mail standards have been slowing down over time and he he's concerned that this administration wants to slow them down even more. Chris I'm thinking about historical precedent here as well. Have we ever seen a president I take aim at the postal service in the way that the trump administration has I can't think of any time when we've had the postal service be in the crosshairs an administration there has been a campaign going back for decades now to try to undermine the postal service as a government agency from Libertarians who don't like the idea of government services and they certainly haven't liked this example of successful government service that serves the American people. A uniform basis, you know a democratic government service. So that's been going on for a long time, and that's something that the post offices had to contend with for many years but we've never had a president move aggressively against the post office. In this way, it is unprecedented. I mean the president has said that mail in ballots can open the door to voter fraud this. Is a big political talking point. I don't believe that there's any proof of that Chris of you found any proof of that no I mean the state that's been doing this the longest in terms of having all ballots go through the mail as organ which has been doing it says two thousand and it's in the case of about fifty million ballots over those past twenty years. It's something like two cases of voter fraud. So that really is not an issue we have to be worried about in terms of the election the issued after he worried about is making sure the postal service is prepared and ready to get these ballots where they need to be. Rigid you said that this is also an opportunity for improvements to the postal service in how New York in particular learned what lessons New York has learned from this last election What can what have they learned are are there are there changes going? That are going to be implemented before twenty twenty. I think some of the changes can be implemented by legislatures and so in the case of New York. The. State. saw what happened during this primary saw what came out during this federal case and has started to make some policy changes in terms of you know what legitimises a ballot if you're going to say that it needs to have a postmark knowing some of the constraints that this federal agencies operating under will maybe you need to make sure that the date when that ballot is received, it makes sense. So in the case of this federal, this federal lawsuit, the judge ruled that any ballots received by June twenty fourth or twenty fifth two days after the. Primary Y, the missing postmark could still be counted and there are a piece of legislation in Albany that has already passed both the state assembly and Senate that would allow four ballots received the day after election even if they're missing a postmark to still be counted, so there are ways that extent governments can address some of these issues even if the federal government doesn't give the United States, postal. Service what it needs Chris who is most at risk of being disenfranchised If the postal service is experiencing delays, it's experiencing ahead of the election right now. Well. If you look at who were talking about, it's going to be people in rural areas. It's going to be people who are low income who are going to have a harder time getting to the polls and who are going to be more likely to experience delays in terms of getting the the mail delivered But the thing is, is the male slowing down all around the country so this could be potentially a. Much more broadly based because the postal services saying we need at least a week to deliver to live with these ballots and So this could be a broader problem than traditionally the people were concerned about who are lacking access being lower income people rural people older people So that's something definitely keep an eye out. For I'm just wondering is there anything that people can do to make sure their ballots actually make it in in November? Well as Chris said, the rules are different by state You know here in New York, you have an opportunity to still vote in person there's early voting and voting on election day, and you can also take your absentee ballot, chew the Board of Elections Office or to any of those poll sites. So there are opportunities there There's no male, there's no ballot tracking system. In New York but those are the other ways that you can ensure that you don't have to rely on a middleman to get your ballot it needs to go bridge. Bergen is a city hall and politics reporter at WNYC, brigid. How can postal workers reach you? If they want to share information with you I'm on twitter my DM's rope at brigid Bergen love to hear from you. Grand Christopher W Shaw's historian policy analyst, and author of preserving the People's post office Chris. Thanks so much for being with us. Thank you for having. Name. Eight Jorgensen, and from Grosse Pointe Woods Michigan. I'm a retired letter carrier after thirty five and a half years and I feel completely safe in sending in my mail in ballot I. Don't feel there's any kind of risk in his being stolen anything like that. Hi, this is Karen in San Jose California and since the post office already handled absentee ballots, I, really don't understand the issue. Handling more male I've clued. Towns that are offering drop off location for absentee ballots for those of us who do not show up at the polls and I think that the much better idea than having. So US Postal Service be responsible for. So of talent, it's really not fair to them given all the pressure that they're facing and the situation that their financial. This is Katrina from Maplewood. New Jersey. This is Gail Turner from Richmond Virginia. As far as trusting the post for the elections. Start counting the ballot now don't wait until the last moment. This is Teresa from the brainard lakes area retired from the United States Postal Service seven months ago after a thirty year career. Lee always to ballot handling very seriously. It's an honorable responsibility. The postal workers readily accept I am personally offended by the president's unfairness that you would be mishandled. He is attacking anyone in any institution that could stand in his way or help with his defeat. Although I have a postman, the family or anything I do know my man both personally by homeless postman and my office postman and they're both incredibly continent professionals take the job incredibly seriously and I'm not worried about them interfering in any collection at all There's no way to ballot and sort of meaningful way we'll. We'll. I'll be there election than a meaningful ways to prevent and hit. Mail in balloting and reduced voter turnout. Is. Like and I live in. Florida, I finished chores. Me Is that the postal service can easily handle any mail in ballots, but he has also been very concerned that the new postmaster general is slowing down the delivery of mail. Very purposefully I, guess at the behest of our presidents so that it looks like we cannot handle mail in ballot. Eight seven, seven, eight, my take is our number. This is the takeaway. A devastating explosion rocked the city of Beirut, Lebanon on Tuesday killing at least one hundred people and injuring thousands. The explosion devastated the port of Beirut and surrounding neighborhoods causing damage to buildings miles away thousands of Lebanese people are now homeless and hospitals near the area already overburdened by Covid nineteen are overwhelmed in addition the country had already been in a deep financial crisis and many banks have run out of money president, Michel Own said. The blast was caused by stockpile of ammonium nitrate stored in a warehouse. Ammonium nitrate is used as both the fertilizer and Explosive Material Prime Minister Hassan Diab declared Wednesday. A National Day of mourning for Lebanon Liz sly is the Washington Post Beirut Bureau chief and she's joining us from that city now Liz. Thanks so much and how are you doing? Oh, I'm fine. Thank you. that I'm better off than a lot of people here today. What is route look like today? Well the the hot that was near the port, which is where I am now is completely wrecked I mean the no houses here this habitable there were no buildings to habitable the the streets piled high with gloss. Right cause. Flooding. Mason me around me. chucking around, I can't get up my status stuck looking the way and. People are sort of wandering around trying to salvage if you positions. A to people who have just fled the city, they've gone to the villages outside the city. Needs have honed in villages of from villages in the mountains and areas around. they don't have homes anymore. They've gone and It's people are just in complete completely days. That's done. They don't know what to think. Liz, what do we know about the amount, the ammonium nitrate, and that caused the explosion so far? What we know is there were two thousand, seven, hundred tons of ammonium nitrate in a storage facility they had been nested. twenty-foot team and they were confiscated from a ship visiting the port I make being stuck. This is the initial story at least they've been stuck since despite some people who warning that they were a danger. Now it's all a bit fishy and mysterious nothing is ever transparent in Lebanon. You're never sure if you're getting into the real version on not but that is what the people are saying and it does at the moment look like it was just a case of massive negligence compounded with some Christian Matz about why is extremely explosive material is being stored at all on Monday. You tweeted that the country's hospitals were near their breaking point tell us what how that's evolved. The health officials be morning that any day. Now, Lebanon will overtake its ICU capacity covid patients in cases arising a very high number every day. So we were expecting to be heading into a serious. COPA crisis. Now Anyway, instead, we now have a massive massive destruction prices on top of that I'm actually sitting in the lobby. Now of a destroyed hospital, it was near the port it had two hundred beds. patients were injured star. One of the members were killed. They had to wheel the patients out you can see the blood outside the they wheeled them out of the hospital and evacuate them to other hospitals in the date of night last night with no electricity because this place is destroyed meanwhile, there were hundreds of people who are injured in the blast. Also converging on all the available hospitals the the hospitals don't have beds to these. The situation is dire. There's also been pretty devastating financial situation. On and in Beirut, tell us what's been happening and how did it get to that point from an economic standpoint? Simply, Lebanon has an extremely corrupt and inefficient bunch of politicians who'll the conceit? These are basically the warlords to foot against each other during the civil war they've now to band together and all the money in the banking system has gone. It's disappeared. Can account for it. Nobody's willing to train account for it, but you're in a situation at the moment where. The banks have collapsed and they and people can't take money out of banks because the money doesn't exist. They are limited to very tiny amounts each month the currency is collapsing at a rapid rate and I've been talking to people here who've lost their businesses and homes and everything. They just do not have money to be built, and even if they did have the money, the banks don't have the money to give them because it doesn't exist anymore it loses the no, it's. It's still early days as you're saying, people are still shocked but do you expect I mean president trump has suggested. That this was some sort of an attack does that have any their conspiracy theories flying around on social media about what could have happened here given your expertise in the region How accurate would you say that assessment is so far? Well, it's probably a little irresponsible at the moment because the ramifications of there being some kind of attacker enormous in Lebanon could end up in a war with Israel as well as all the other catastrophes that we have here at the moment but the regional context this which is we have seen a series of mysterious explosions in Iraq close year that were. Is really targeting weapons storage by Shia militias. And series a mysterious explosion motions. Power plants new nuclear facilities in. Iran. This year which have also been attributed to its family sabotage. Now, the port is a very sensitive area in part because his spoiler. Shia militia which. With Israel does maintain facility that they do import weapons that it's not totally out of the question that some kind of attack triggered the initial explosion that then ignites it distorts ammonium nitrate and Costa much bigger one but it's Also, Lebanon, and the politicians and the administrators in the managements of societies are so inept and corrupt it's entirely plausible that somebody would leave. Giant bunch giant stores of inflammable explosive ammonium nitrate, sitting around untended for six years. That's also well within the realm of possibility is if given the pylon of issues that we just described with banks and hospitals running thin and the virus and the potential for homelessness to you at some point, expect there to be some sort of exodus out of Beirut or out of Lebanon more more broadly absolutely I've spoken to people who take. Just, say I want to leave I mean all the Lebanese I know once leave and wanted to leave before this crisis, and if you've you know if you've lost everything you have there's no there's no money or option of rebuilding You know I think a lot of people are looking to leave the country of moments and that's another tragedy because it's a brain drain and it's a drain of talent people from this country. Liz Sly is the Washington Post Beirut Bureau chief Liz. Thank you very much and please stay safe out there. Thank you. Last. Week, we mourn the loss of Malik Abdul Basset better known as maleek be a hip hop artist and one of the founding members of the legendary group. The Roots Maliki was only forty seven. Shows. Much. Work. People. There's no easy on. The exact cause of death has yet to be confirmed, but it fits into a troubling pattern of rappers especially, those from the golden era of hip hops early days dying young from illness. eazy e from NWEA died from complications with AIDS at thirty years old. Of some Aylwin is so thin winning. J. Diller died from a heart attack at thirty two. Twenty One. WAKE NECK Prodigy who is half of the group mob deep died from choking and complications with sickle cell anemia at forty five, you'll only digging guzzled. By dog from a tribe called quest died from complications with diabetes at forty five and the list goes on. This is. Dr Adams is a hip hop journalist and historian. He joins me now to help us understand why so many hip hop artists are dying young dart. Thanks for being with us. Thanks for me. Just listening to those tracks back to back to back. You just realized that the genius frankly that we've lost in hip hop community, and so young. Dr West, going on here. Is there something about the industry that's intensifying and creating health problems for these folks is these are my contemporaries? The fact of the matter is when you work in the music industry, especially when you signed to a record label as basically a new update of share cropping ideal so You have to you get a loan essentially and you have to pay it back and you don't make any money to recoup that loan and if you record you album. Costs and overhead, and until you make all that money back for the label, you don't really make money except for maybe the money you make for shows, which is dependent on how successful you music is. So what I'm saying is if you're creative or you're on a label and your of musician that you might have to hustle and work three times harder than you initially, you know hoped just to be able to see any money even though you're all. Over the place and you're visible. So there's that stress added to it, and there's no health insurance that comes with this. You know so I could run off a list of a whole bunch of emcees there weren't there weren't named and you segment died due to some health issues. I mean a lot of these people that we're talking about are black and or Latino what role does that race and economic background play into into what we're talking about. Well. Okay. I live in the south end lower, Roxbury and if you go further down to Roxbury or the Back Bay, there's a big difference between the life expectancy of people who live. In, that area or Beacon Hill verses Roxbury, it drops like more than ten years, and if you extrapolate that and deal with our, we have a of people from the inner city and they're black and Latino, and they already might have health complications and there's no health insurance in the music industry if you have. Any extenuating circumstances with your health in. Bags abated by constantly having to work go on tour you can't take care of you so and you can't take days off especially now that the month there's even less money in industry Dr Been Covering, the hip hop industry for decades. Now, what's it been like to watch rappers start you know who are passing away in the thirties and forties you said, you know other MC's who weren't on that list of luminaries at the toss. This I mean. When I think about guys like home poetic a grim reaper died vom. He had colon cancer. And they had to raise money just to get him treatment I mean. I have so many numbers in my phone two days ago was the was the just the anniversary of the passing of my friend Pat on Peyton lock was independent hip hop producer in an rhyme and rapper, and he died also of cancer Sean price died in his sleep So When you have any type of health issue. We're not getting the help that we need when we don't have coverage and we have to work that much harder. Just to be able to see any kind of financial benefit or profit. So in his day as is exponentially exponential age. You know you have to get above the noise imagine how much work you have to because you have to do everything now. DART. was talking about. That are manifesting physically for a lot of people but we were talking about mental health and mental health. There's been a lot of. That with recent coverage of Kanye West's and how the industry perceives or doesn't perceive mental health issues. How how has the hip hop community done when it comes to mental health? I think there were in the nineties. We had very few people that understood that what some people were rapping about was actually struggling mental health scarface was early doing it you had other emcees. There were just talking about different things like notorious bee gees ready to die. That album is talking about his fading mental health. He's trying to hustle and make money and stay above water. These are the same kind of situations that artists now face. Especially in a system where you're not making that much money from streaming revenue and you can't tour anymore. So, if you had any type of pre existing health condition is going to be exacerbated. Now because what you're gonNA, go to the hospital where they might be overrun with Cova cases you don't WanNa go to the hospital unless you have anything short of something super serious and by that Tim time it's already too late and we've been dealing with that but months and right now we're talking really about a male rappers so far. But what about women rappers in the industry who often don't get the same attention as male rappers? Do we know whether they too are experiencing the types of illnesses that we're talking about here and other types of health pressure? Unfortunately were women they might be dealing with the same issues, but it's also made worse by the fact that being crate upon and their victims of violence and all these other issues that women have to deal with. The things that are going to affect them and their health because they're black and Latino. If you look at the the birth rate or like the the the rate of women that die while giving birth or the or the death rates of children did a black and Latino it's insane when told by a couple of people that worked in hospital. So dark water people I mean at some point, this is not a new issue we just went through a whole list of people you gave me your list of people I. Mean at some point if the industry isn't doing anything for its artists, what are the artists doing for each other artists beginning to to talk about things like that we're talking about right now in terms of the health issues that that disproportionately affect black and Latino communities in particular I mean our artists doing anything to to protect each other or themselves. Absolutely I think that there was a big groundswell things happening after a soul August eighth be the fifth anniversary of the passing of Ulm Sean Price. And when Sean price passed away. I think that that was a big on. A big. O.. Turning point and people waking up and it happened right after we lost a another guy from Brooklyn, a Pumpkin head most people knew him. So these guys were really big and the underground rap community especially in Brooklyn, and they were tied to everybody from the rat recording world to the freestyle battle world and when they started when they passed away, you know people started. Wanting to be healthier Changing their lifestyle around a Lotta Lotta people went you the Vegan Vegetarian Alm. So, there was a whole lot of talk about being more active and being around and trying to survive into your forties started seeing our peers pass. You know. that. There's that line of forty, two, forty five and when we start seeing our peers. Pass away. It starts to really affect you especially I I have an about twenty five numbers in my phone. and. They've all passed away within the last like. Three to five years and I'll never call them will never be able to text them again and. It's insane to think that I turned forty five and three weeks. Dart Adams is a hip hop list and historian Dart thanks for. Joining us. Thanks for having me. A lot of us are missing restaurants, these days, the company, the food, but the earliest restaurants replaces you went not to eat apparently the eighteenth century customers were too classy for chewing digesting is work it's manual labor not necessarily something ladies were expected to be very good at doing I'm Johanna mayor host of science fiction and this month we are all about food find science fiction wherever you get your podcasts. For decades, doctors in the United States have performed surgeries on sex children to make their genitalia appear more like our common perceptions of male and female anatomies. intersex is a set of variations and sort of sex characteristics whether they be go Netto Chromosomal or hormonal. That are atypical for males and females. That Sean Cypher. Wall. The CO founder of the Intersex Justice Project and we're going to hear more from Sean in just a second. Activists and human rights. Groups however have widely condemned the surgeries but even after a two thousand thirteen report from the United Nations, which called on countries to outlaw genital surgeries on Intersex children most hospitals in the United States have continued to allow them last week, the Ann and Robert H Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago reversed course becoming the first major hospital in the united. States to officially halt these surgeries for Intersex children. The hospitals announcement came after years of pressure by the Intersex Justice, project a group that works to end the surgeries in a statement. The hospital said that historically they had taken part in these surgeries but that quote. Has, advanced and understanding has grown. We now know that this approach was harmful and wrong joining me now is Sean Sipho Wall founder of the Intersex Justice? Project Sipho welcome to the takeaway bank you so much also joining us as kate sauce in a reporter covering lgbtq plus issues at the nineteenth kate welcome to the takeaway. Thank you for having me Kate. Let's start with you are intersex surgeries common in the United States or another parts of the world. intersex surgeries are incredibly common from what we know. No hospital has come out and stated that they don't perform these procedures and almost no country has come out and stated that they won't perform these multiple became the first in two thousand fifteen to say that they wouldn't do that. But. Very few countries are states have actually outlawed the procedures around the world. Scifo, why are Intersex people and activists viewing these surgeries on intersex children as harmful I think the people who are speaking out. Are the adult survivors of these surgeries and For Myself for the people who I know, the activists that human rights advocates is that we have been harmed, and some of the sort of lasting effects for lack of a better word of these procedures are like loss of sensation scarring like very real trauma and I think. Our advocacy is informed by not wanting young people to go through this. Unnecessarily I think we have a duty to prevent unnecessary trauma. Kate given that the surgeries have been condemned by a number of human rights organizations as we heard at the top here, why are they still accepted by the medical community as much as they are given everything also that that Sipho just outlined you know there's a struggle for transgender individuals to access trans affirming medical care, which is medical care that would bring. transpeople in alignment with the gender that they identify, and so we have an issue in the US of people not being able to access care that aligns with their gender and for Intersex, people, they're having the entirely opposite issue which is. They're not having autonomy over their bodies and it comes back to an issue of in the US, we have a really binary idea of gender. We think of common is men and women as women, and we think these things are written in stone and Intersex people really. Sort of show that there are variations and that's really uncomfortable for a lot of us to confront and so. Doctors for decades have been sort of writing that out I. Just WanNa make sure I'm I'm being clear and Sipho and or kate please correct me if I'm wrong here but being intersex is not the same as being trans it is not the way. I. Think About Intersex is that is biological reality but transgender as about how you know how people feel express their gender Cypher in the previous segment you mentioned This is something I've been thinking about these surgeries I. Believe you call them cosmetic and medically unnecessary it feels like the cosmetics here are what may have been driving the medical community to do that? Is that right? Yeah. I think. What often doesn't come out as the sort of medical bias against Intersex bodies I think for years in activists have shared how these surgeries have impacted them I think our messaging has been very consistent over a number of years since the days like the Intersex Society of North America and Ham Aphrodite with attitude are messaging has been consistent and I think will often doesn't come out as sort of like provider bias the bias on the part of the doctors it was in the Human Rights Watch report and twenty seventeen I wanna be as nature made me where was in that report that it was sort of discovered that surgeons had the highest level of bias to ward. intersex variations, and they're biased informs, parents, decisions about doing these surgeries, and so I think definitely, it's like provider bias s really forming these surgeries. In it. It's also kate wondering I want to talk a little bit about why the hospital decided to end the surgeries. But before that I'm wondering if you've spoken to parents who may have you know with the best interests of the child at heart decided to do the surgery because they wanted to maybe protect the child from you know from anything in the future or just you know have. Them you know I was or the parents you talking to you've talked to aware of the trauma that these surgeries could entail or did they do this with the best of intentions for their kids I actually haven't interviewed parents of of Intersex children but I have interviewed a number of Intersex people who have spoken about their parents and it seems like parents were not given complete information really understood. The consequences of the surgeries did not understand. necessarily. How traumatizing these surgeries might be that they thought that they were. Doing something that might help their children live a quote unquote normal life and understand that they might be taking away or foreclosing some. Some possibilities for their kids including you know being able to. Have Children or feel sexual pleasure or that they'd be subjected them to really invasive and painful medical treatment for years or even lying to their kids and telling them. For example, that had cancer and the those narratives with troubling for years and years and years kate based on the reporting that you've done. Why did the hospital decide to end surgeries last month? that would be because Sipho, and safe as co founder of the INTERSEX. Justice Project PIDGEON Pagonis really thought this for years and waged what I would say was relentless campaign around us It's worth noting that Lori is is a very prestigious hospital in terms of gender care in general it has. A renowned gender clinic specifically treating Trans and non bare near children that was started in two thousand thirteen and it has a really great reputation among lgbtq people and because of that it, it makes it a very prime target for a campaign like this because there's such a dissonance when you're doing such great care for transgender people and continuing to do these kinds of surgeries. Sipho when you consider your own surgery that happened when you were thirteen how did that shape your view of intersex surgeries? I think looking back. my my mom wasn't given all of the facts. I think if my mom was. If, my mom was involved in a thorough informed consent process like I think she wouldn't have consented to the surgery and I feel like at the time when I was I was a child I was a child and these physicians were using terminology that was way over my head and they weren't being honest with me about the reality of my body. You know they told my mom that I had gonads, which is undifferentiated sex tissue as opposed to testees and after I was castrated at New York Presbyterian. Hospital was put on feminizing hormones which really caused like. Another level of trauma because I saw my body feminizing ways that I was really uncomfortable with and I think in hindsight, I would have been okay. If I had proper psychological support with the changes that were happening and so I feel like what happened to me I wasn't given autonomy over my body because it came with this. Description that was based in compulsive heterosexuality that I would have the surgery be subject to these hormones, and then eventually I would have genital surgery, which would be able to accommodate sex with my future husband. Options that are made and I, think what is very Would is. Pretty disturbing is that there are so many people with the same variation have androgen insensitivity syndrome they were assigned female at birth. All of them have been given the same script throughout the United States in different parts of our country. So for me, that's that's a problem and I think it just shows the consistency by which the medical establishment particularly around these variations have these very insular prescribed narratives for people with these variations Sean. Sipho Wall is the CO founder of the Intersex, justice project and kate sauce in as a reporter covering lgbtq plus issues at the nineteenth thanks to you both for joining me. Thank you. Thank you. I'm Tansy Nevada and you're back with the takeaway earlier in the show, we talked about the critical role that postal workers might play during the upcoming presidential election but there's another kind of worker that's just as important. But in short supply these days and those our poll workers as the coronavirus pandemic rages on communities across the US are scrambling to find people to assist their fellow voters at the polls this November. Poll workers tend to be older, which puts them at greater risk of contracting covid nineteen. So many of them are staying home this year according to the US election assistance. Commission. More than half of the country's Pol- workers were sixty or older in the twenty sixteen election. Last Friday politics host Amy Walter talked a little bit about this shortage of poll workers ahead of the election, and as it turns out, this has been on the minds of a lot of our listeners. And calling from SEATAC Washington I worked the pulled and the two thousand sixteen election and I thought it was a really fun way to be involved in the democratic process. This year was really. Doing it again. But I'm worried to participate during the pandemic and it feels like a way to put my family at risk. Hi, my name is Laurie Daley and I'm calling from Los Angeles. I've worked in the poll. Spring years. Probably about twenty two years now and it's an amazing experience I think everyone needs to do it this time I have an issue because of the coronavirus I have multiple sclerosis and my husband doesn't want to go anywhere I'm less afraid than he is but I don't think he's going to allow me to actually work suppose which really upsets me because this election more than. Many, many in the past is particularly critical. In places like Kentucky, the Secretary of State has called on young people to step up and volunteers poll workers in the coming months. Georgia is also ramping up its efforts to recruit new workers to replace those who quit because of corona virus fears I Monica Bell from Dallas half never worked the pulse before, but is there is a need I will fill it this year because I feel. Very strongly that especially in Texas we need to do everything. We can to get the vote out by this is John From Watson New York I am a poll worker in Nassau County New York traditionally, the poll workers when I was voting as they younger person were all older. Now I'm in that category, we really need to encourage younger people to work the polls and no, it's a long day. But it's also a long tradition of making sure that everybody one person one vote it's preserved and there's some people are nervous about being poll workers due to health or family reasons. The Corona virus isn't stopping others from showing up on election day. Hi, my name is railing on and I'm calling from Massachusetts I do work the polls every year and I am proud to do it and will continue to do it for this year because I think it's one of the most important elections we will ever have. This is tricia calling from plano taxes. I worked polls, several times including primary run off we had earlier this month. I have signed up to work coming November election including early voting. This will allow people to come in when there are no crowds and we have a good safety protocol that we tested during the July Election Miss Injury Thomas, I'm from Lancaster. Texas I have served as a poll worker before I served is one in a two thousand sixteen election and I, will be serving at one in the two thousand, twenty election I see it as my civic duty I am a black woman many people died. So that would have the right to vote. So I see it as me paying homage to those who came before me and those who died that I might have the right to vote. What about you have? You ever worked the polls are you considering this election? Give us a call and tell us your story at eight, seven, seven, eight, six, nine, eight to five, three. That's eight seven, seven eight might take. All right. That's our show for today. Thanks so much for listening. I'm Tansy Vega and this is the takeaway.
How To Talk About Race With Kids
"This is one. A. I'm Celeste Headley in Maryland momentous news from the Supreme Court today. The court has now ruled on a program that protects seven hundred thousand Daca recipients recipients, these are folks who came to America as children and did not knowingly break the law. We're talking about the fate of the deferred action for childhood arrivals policy. It's better known as Dhaka. The program was created in two thousand twelve under President Barack Obama president trump rescinded the program twenty seventeen and then today the Supreme Court has ruled against the trump administration. on the case was a challenge to the decision to end DACA. The court says the decision by the trump administration was arbitrary and capricious with US Garrett EPPs a professor of law at the University of Baltimore and also covers Surpreme Court for the Atlantic, and he is here to help us break down hi Garrett. Hey great to be here. One is the summary from your view of this decision. What what's your takeaway? Well. You know I think that what the court? Majority has basically said is that the administration probably could have terminated this program if it wanted to. If it had put in though work, required to do it, and that the process by which the administration decided to do away with Dhaka. Was So slapdash and cynical, and basically just a sham that as in the census case. A year ago. The chief justice. Who is the swing vote? He said you know I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid. I'm not falling for this. You didn't do your the work you were supposed to do, and in particular, he says. The administration did not consider. The impact this decision was going to have on the lives of the dreamers daca recipients. Outlined some of the things that have been going on in their lives that they're in school that they hold important jobs that they have a American citizen. Children and. He basically says. That's that doesn't mean you can't do it. He says, but the administration said they didn't even need to consider that that since they thought the program was illegal, they didn't have to consider the effect on the recipients, and that's really quite important. Especially, because the opinion is careful not to say that the government had illegitimate or that it was inspired by by racism. There's A. Justice Soda, my or one of the five in the majority drops out of that port. She writes a separate opinion. Say, are you kidding me? Do you see the way Donald Trump talks about immigrants and people from south of the border, but that's only one vote. The court has a whole, said you know this is just purely a procedural decision. In what does this mean now for those seven, hundred thousand and some DACA recipients? Are they now safe from deportation again? Well, you know. Daca eligibilty was never you know the equivalent of a green card. It didn't mean that you were entitled to remain in the United States unless there was some reason to remove you. Know requires renewal every two years. And present, the administration is going to have to continue. As, it has a under court order. It's going to have to continue accepting. Applications for extension because DACA recipient has to reapply every two years, and it's going to have to grant them to the recipients who meet the criteria. this what this does is throw this decision like so many other things about our country, and it's very basic nature into the hopper for decision in November of this year because the court's opinion. Consciously not provides a erode mart map for the administration to take if they really want to. Go after DACA. I think that what really was going on with that. The administration wanted to pretend that Dhaka was illegal and it wasn't doing this voluntarily. It was just being forced to by the law. And the Supreme Court says that dog won't hunt because you know the the legal authorities you were relying on a. don't say what you said they said. Dhaka may be illegal, but it hasn't been decided, and you can't pretend you're not making this decision and blame it on the courts. In so to my yours Portion that you described, she said quote taken together. The words of the president helped to create the strong perception that the recision decision was contaminated by impermissible discriminatory animus. What does that mean in what? What significance is it when one justice writes their own portion of a decision? Well, you know this is? This is very similar to what happened. With, the travel ban case because of course in the travel ban case the issue was also. These extensive history of bigoted and hostile. Statements that Donald Trump had made both before, and after becoming President and to what extent should the court pay attention to those? When the administration says well, here's our travel ban and see it's neutral. It doesn't say anything bad about Muslims and the court in that case said that they were gonNA. Approve the travel ban and not pay any attention to what the president said. In in the the same thing is going on in this case but there are only four justices for that approach, and what's fascinating is of course that it's chief justice, Roberts, and then the courts other three liberals called Justice Breyer Kagan. And GINSBURG, who join in that, so there's there's some indication to me that there's a little bit of brokering back and forth at the chief justice did not want to tag the administration with the label of racism, and that label would have made it much harder to rescind Daca, again. If the president is elected to a second term so it to some extent limits the force of the decision, but I hasten to add. This is a very sweeping and important decision I'm not belittling at all. It's just fascinating to see how reluctant accord is to to say what most people really perceive which is that the president has? INSPIRED BY animus against! The immigrants from south of the border. The Supreme Court has been described as a conservative court, but we get this decision in which the chief justice joins the majority of five to four decision, supporting the rights of immigrants. we the? Ruling protecting lgbtq workers. Have experts been misreading the the makeup that least the political makeup of the court? Well I. Don't think that that's the case I. Mean I think that you know? There are two classes of cases, the ordinary run of cases that. Include things like civil rights, and then they're the administration cases. This is an administration case. President trump was asking the court to bless something. He had done and say that he could go forward with the policy. This administration has an absolutely rock solid block of four justices who are administration judges. You know I swear if Donald Trump wanted to to. Blow up, Mount Rushmore. Four justices would say that was a perfectly good thing to do. and you have of course, the four moderate liberals. Who are really very suspicious of this administration, and then the chief justice is in the middle. When you have a case like the title seven case that was decided. Earlier this week in which the court said that title seven prohibits discrimination against. On the basis of sexual orientation or transgenders status the administration. Took aside in that case, they were opposed. To having title seven extended that, but it wasn't a donald trump case. And in that case you know, judges do have their own judicial philosophies. Justice Gorsuch is very strong proponent of a certain kind of reading of statutes. And that reading led him in the direction of. Finding that the statute did in fact. Cover this kind of discrimination. Interesting to to watch there, of course, is that the chief justice also join that opinion making it a six to three. But that that's that's kind of a different judicial politics. Thing, it's not, it's not. Anything that helps or hurts trump. It's not anything that helps hurts the Republican Party. And that I think is where the fault lines are. I want to say. Thank you to Garrett EPPs professor of law. The University of Baltimore covers the Supreme Court for the Atlantic Gary thank you so much. Great to talk to you. After, a quick break, we'll get into how we're talking to children about racism, police, brutality and safety more in just a moment. I'm Celeste, head lead. This is one eight. This message comes from NPR sponsor legalzoom. We're all faced with new challenges these days. If you need legal help for yours count on legal zoom, have questions about setting up a will or a living trust. Do you want to start a business? 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It was difficult to watch even for adults. So how do you explain that to a child? Some parents tell their kids again and again that if they're in trouble, they should run to a police officer. So how do you explain that the police can sometimes be a threat? It can be tempting to think you can protect your children from discussions about George Floyd or Ahmad armory or Briana Taylor or Tamir Rice or a Tatyana Jefferson or any of the others who've died violently at the hands of police officers, but any parent knows that kids are watching and they see more than we want them to. For Black Kids. This isn't just a lesson about politics. It's a necessary discussion about safety and possibly a call to action to join other black youth at a protest. How do you talk to a black child about the black lives matter movement when they may have never realized. There are people who think their lives don't matter. It's a lot. One correspondent, such and Simon's has had many conversations with her daughters about racial slurs, systemic racism policing and the black lives matter movement when she asked her twelve year old about. what the movement is about Mikhail, said it's a quote movement to make everybody equal especially black lives because people disrespect them, and they still do which is really sad and quote. Having to grapple with the possibility of violence at such a young age can have lasting impact on a child's mind. When a correspondent session and Simon spoke with some young protesters and psychologist, Rita Walker to find out what those impacts are. A. Viral video captures a seven year old black girl, marching in a New York protest, chanting with a scowl on her face, piercing Brown eyes her tiny fists swinging in the air, demanding the protection of black lives. It's a moment that should never have happened, but here we are. went to a more is the quintessential young black girl complete with missing front tooth, her hair and corn rows with pretty white beads fixed on the ends, but on that day long island went to a more was wise, well beyond her seven years after George Floyd, a black man was killed by a White Minnesota police officer, anger and outrage among black Americans spread from the GROWNUPS who've seen it all before to the next generation bearing the burden of putting an end to it. Wise manage. blocked. The. Listen. We're peacefully protesting I believe everyone should be treated equally no matter what color they are. We're trying to make people. Know that we are going to make history doing this. We don't want to do any harm. All we want to do is be heard eleven year old Jeremiah a black boy in Washington. DC has cerebral palsy news a wheelchair to get around still he attended protests with mom and dad. Of the White House and what's going on out here? We're protesting because. A white man killed a Batman May by George Floyd. Injustice? nope. In black families, the race talk comes early and it's painful. It's not optional because there's this odd transition where children of color are no longer viewed as cute kids rather some see them as threats. It's a conversation I'm having in my home where I'm raising my two daughters. They're twelve and thirteen excited to explore the world around them unafraid to speak their minds when I say black lives matter. What do you think of? It should movement to make everybody equal especially black lives because. People. Don't people disrespect to them? And they still do which is really sad. My teenager gets most of her from social media APPS. It was on Tiktok, where she I witnessed the officer neal on George Floyd's neck killing him. She's watched that video so many times and other videos of black men and women killed by police, and though my daughter hasn't been to a protest, she's fighting the cause virtually. Literally it got to the point where I couldn't scroll and find Anything, non-related black lives to the black lives matter protesting or George Floyd, but there was also a lot of all lives matter people on there. I literally have replied to so many comments. Yeah I put people in place. I've had to put restrictions on the girls. Social Media Use a talk with them about the unrest playing out across the country, the ugly history of systemic racism in America and try to assure them that they'll be safe to walk the streets and drive a car without fear of being hurt by police. And as their mother, who is a black woman, who also happens to be a news reporter? I know this is all just too much for them to bear. You can't have a certain level of psychological wellbeing when you're dealing with racism on a day to day basis, and not even recognizing it Dr. Rita Walker is a psychology professor at the University of Houston. She's also the author of the unapologetic guide to black mental health. She says black households are experiencing a high level of stress. Anxiety levels are up. Depression is on the rise, and they're just playing exhausted when parents aren't at their best. It. Is that much more difficult to help their child who is also struggling, but may not even have the words to communicate what it is they're dealing with. And so the child made themselves feel anxious if they've seen the news and heard about these stories and I'm children are being exposed to trauma for the first time, and they really don't understand or have word because adults do not have the words to explain what's going on right down. There isn't a roadmap for raising kids. Let alone. Alone talking to them about racism and two parents trying to decide whether it's okay for the kids to protests. Walker says it depends on the child. If it's filed, says I want to be out there, and this is important to me to make sure that there's a conversation about the expectations. Like what did they expect is going to happen as a result of being out there like what does this mean to them like keeping the dialogue open, not just before the event and green even. After the event to process. I met up with John Kelly at one of several black lives matter protests in DC this month. He's nineteen on me. I've been passionate about that issue. In different issues that impact US minorities especially by people here in. America, because you know get a fair shot. We have to overcome many obstacles. just to. Become successful just to To move forward in life. His twin brother was shot and killed in two thousand Seventeen and Zion has been on the front lines protesting against gun violence ever since he supports the current movement to define the Police in Zion is working to ignite the same passion and others. Of My friends, we plan on holding conversations talking to different black men different youth. to inspire them and to get them active in their community, and thinking about who they are the identity and you know. Educating themselves, so we can move forward as a black community. Alexis Jones is an eighteen year old activists in DC. Her fight for change began at her high school when she joined a gun. Violence Intervention Group gun violence police. Brutality is all related so. It's kind of frustrating me. Personally, that is like everybody's like. Oh, my gosh, this is happening. It's been happening like it's nothing new. It's easy for protesters on the front lines to let the unrest and trauma takeover. Their lives at times like this self care is key. And though that can be hard to do both Alexis and Zion say they're giving it a try. I've learned how to mentally cope with things not going necessarily how you would envision into go, but. It has been like. Very trying to think of word. Like I felt hopeless at times, knowing that I'm never gonNA. Stop fighting like this is all I've ever wanted to do is to help people. I do ups. But I work out I like to run. Jog. and. I listen to music that really. That really the form of Care to me for parents of younger kids, Dr Walker. has this advice for easing that mental toll, maybe third or fourth grade or being available to communicate, even if the child said I. DON'T WANNA. Talk about it or I. Don't know you know the common response or nothing. To say I am here whenever you're ready to talk and I love you. Look. We. Law For a younger child, maybe just be available to play whatever creative play they come up with. You know to present. The US things that any parent can do. Besides making sure they're okay is to be proactive, and if your children are still having trouble processing their thoughts and feelings in this moment. Says, it might be time to pursue some professional help. For one a I'm Sasha an Simon's. Up Next if you've avoided talking to your kids about race until now it's probably time to stir up your courage and have the conversation. Don't worry. We have expert advice to help you get through it. Steadily you're listening to. This message comes from NPR sponsor facebook. It's a challenging time for small businesses in communities across the country. FACEBOOK's business resource hub offers free tools to help manage a business support customers and employees and connect with other business owners who are facing similar challenges from information on how to bring a business online to setting up a customer service plan facebook's business resource. How can provide resources learn more at facebook dot com slash resource. Throughout America's history, small choices have compounded into big inequalities. I'm a immorality. Injustice gets ingrained. That's on the Ted Radio hour from NPR. Subscribe or listen now. I'm Celeste Headley. There's a conversation that every parent needs to have with their kids, and I'm not talking about the birds and the bees I'm talking about race for black parents, discussing race and racism is not a choice that talk has to happen at a young age, but many white kids can go their entire childhoods without ever having a real conversation about racism, and that possibly is because why adults can avoid talking about race if they really want to while black. Can't white parents who tell their children not to see? Color are not helping schools that have run of the mill black history month. Programs are not doing enough joining me now to discuss how we should speak to our kids about race and racism is author, illustrator and filmmaker Vashem Harrison. She's the number one new. York Times bestselling author illustrator of little leaders, bold women in black history and many other titles including hair love fast. Thank you so much for being with us. Thanks for having me. Dr Near. Garissa is a pediatrician and researcher at the end and Robert H. Lurie Children's Hospital of Chicago and Northwestern University she's also chair of the section on minority, health, equity and inclusion at the American. Academy of Pediatrics Dr Garrison Welcome to one A.. Thank you. Thanks for having me and Bettina love is professor of educational theory and practice at the University of Georgia and author of we want to do more than survive abolitionist, teaching and the pursuit of educational. Freedom Professor Love Welcome to the show. Oh thank you for having me. So Dr Gary you're a guest on the CNN Sesame Street townhall. It was called coming together, standing up to racism. Let's take a listen I. Question? I wanted to be a neurosurgeon. When I grow up, cannot operate on races. To change them. Oh Dr Gareth. I want to tell Kyle. Yes, but you are medical professional here so I'm GonNa, leave that one, do you? Absolutely doctors and I'm still exciting. You're going to join us. You Operate, and you cure for everyone, no matter their Addison's, but with that being said we are working really really really hard to change people's hearts and minds and policy, so that later on you don't have to operate on raises evils brain. You can operate knowing that everyone is behind you in for you. So doctor. I don't know how much we know about whether racism can be inherited I'm assuming it can't, but we do know that racism. When it's present in a community or in a society, it can have negative impacts on children's development. Is that correct? Absolutely wild kids are in school around age, nine and ten, their attitudes towards race, racial identity, racism and the like are really starting to solidify, and it takes essentially life changing experiences to challenge or rethink those beliefs. And behavior, so it's really important to start to have those conversations before then, but certainly wants children are exposed to racism, and that can be directly so hearing name. Being called or witnessing. Racially charged events on TV or social media, those things can absolutely impact their mental health primarily, but we're starting to see more research that it's done in the physical health space, too, so when we say mental health, you know we're thinking about depression anxiety as well as PTSD and then behavior, so having more aggressive behaviors, but also being becoming more withdrawn, so there's a myriad of health impacts that racism can have either on the child directly by by being a victim of racism or indirectly by hearing. Hearing about it or witnessing it or seeing it some other way. I have a question from Olga who says my five year old has his mind set on being a police officer right now, so we've been talking to him a lot about being just and protecting people I feel bad, because with the endless wise I come to a dead end. Sorry, Buddy, I don't know why I don't know why. People are mean to each other I have no good explanation for him. Fash St. how can art like yours? Answer, wise for for people, how does the art the books that you make an and other authors? Step in at this point. And I think. That the process of understanding. How other people throughout history have experienced their lives I think will help kind of open up our ideas for what is possible for each of ourselves so in my third book. Legends exceptional men in Black History I tell the story of Bass Reeves who was the first black deputy US marshals in the states. And so it's a story about a COP. But what I tried to showcase was that he used his ingenuity, and his his quick thinking to solve problems, he actively tried not to use violence. He used traps to catch bad guys so I wanNA kind of showcase that there are ways that we can use our skills. We can use the things that are inside of us to help the world around us and to help other people, so I know that they're going to be questions and I don't think any of that's how all the answers but I. Think it's important to understand that that that's okay and that we can work towards getting their one step at a time. we do have questions about schools from our listeners and let me start with you. Professor Love Sailor tweets this I did my best as a white teacher of mostly black students, but I always had to do my own research to be able to teach about black figures in US history, who were not slaves? The textbooks basically leave it at mlk Harriet Tubman and slavery. What advice do you have for teachers? So I think the first thing teachers have to understand and sadly is that we don't do enough in teacher. Education programs to prepare teachers to go out and be what we call culturally relevant right so to be costly relevant means that you have study black and Brown folks culture, and so we want teachers to go out into the classroom and talk about black history, but honestly they haven't taught. They haven't learned any black history I can go through by entire teacher, education program, and not take one class and African American history, and so she's right much of the work she has to do. will be on her own, and so what? I try to tell my students. Is that start building a database and I'm not saying that you have to read everything today, but just have a running document of documentaries of articles of books and start to have conversations with. Your coat other teachers. Hey, have you read this? Have you thought about this? Start Building your database? Start Building. Places where you can go and feel comfortable to start having conversations about these things, and but it is going to be for a teacher to try on his or her own to learn a lot, because we just don't do a great job in teacher, education programs, telling the rich and beautiful history about black and Brown folks. So. Dr Heard Garris. How you see this as a positive and I approach this question, especially because you are in the medical field a lot of times. When you think about having discussions about race, it can feel very heavy. It can feel like a burden it can. You can sometimes people tell me that they feel dread about it. Are there benefits to it? That might give it a more positive reflection. No I think that's an interesting question. When that I haven't been asked before, but I appreciate it because I think there are positives, and I think one of the big positives. Is that if feels like now that? This massive problem that's been in the consciousness of black and Brown folks for a very long time is now entered. White consciousness, and then more the public space. It feels like that. There is energy in this tie that hopefully things will actually change and I. Think one of the things I think about is giving something a name so I think it's really hard when you have different symptoms of a medical illness and your you go to different doctors and you're trying to say this is what's going on. This is what's going on, and people can't give it a name, but somehow when you get a name for an illness, you get A. A Name for disease or whatever there's power that comes with that. Because then you can learn about it. You can do something about it. You can talk about it. You can join other support groups for until I think with US finally being able to name the problem us being society naming that there is a problem. empowers us to do something about it, and so I think that's one of the biggest positives I really feel like this energy is different than it's been in the past and so that's my hope. A net rights this. We assumed it was a good thing if we didn't talk about race of their kids. If we didn't draw attention to race as an important distinguishing characteristic about people, we made a point of watching sesame street, and not mentioning wrenching, racial or ethnic differences I think we managed to raise non-racist racist kids, but we would have benefited from this discussion. It's only white parents who have the luxury of trying to raise colorblind children. So when the minute or so that we have left professor love. I want to ask you that same question. Instead of seeing this as a conversation that parents. Have to dread, are there? Things to look forward to in this discussion. So I think that's a really wonderful question, and I just want to end by saying that. When we think about black folks, we think about trauma and pain and death, and that's part of the black experience, but that isn't everything, and so we also gotTA. Make sure as parents that were giving a full story, and so for me I find joy. In helping teachers and parents see the fullness of black life beyond just trauma in depth. That is University of Georgia. Professor Bettina Love. We also spoke with pediatrician and researcher Dr Neha heard Garris and author illustrator Vashinsky Harrison a vast. He's books include little leaders, bold women in black history, little dreamers, visionary women around the world and little legends, exceptional men in black history and professor Patina loves book is called. We want to do more than survive abolitionist teaching, and the pursuit of educational freedom thank. All of you for your insight and expertise today. This conversation was produced by Daniel Night in Charlotte frequent and edited by Matthew, Simonsen to learn more about them and the rest of the team visit the one eight dot org. This program comes to you from WMU. Part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR. I'm Celeste Headley. Thank you so much for listening. This is one eight.
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On wireless EAR BUDS BY RAKE ON DOT com slash naked scientist. Have you loud and clear. Hello Signed that is to say physics. Medicine. Nature. Brain. Universities. Hello welcome to the naked scientists the show where we bring you the latest breakthroughs in science technology and medicine with me Phil Sansom and with me Chris Smith and this week we meet the people still suffering the after effects of covid nineteen months after catching the virus these patients weren't enough to be hospitalized I thought they were going to recover just a week or two now that on a rollercoaster of bizarre symptoms a cooling, it long cove it but what is it plus in the News Ken Children Harbor more coronavirus than adults and a new space mission to Mars gets underway. The naked scientists podcast is powered by UK false dot coach Uk. Now I up previous studies have suggested that children may be poor spreaders at the coronavirus and may even be less susceptible to catching it and this regard the UK chief medical officer Chris Witty has cold reopening schools are priority and in weighing the risks and benefits described how children are much less likely to come down with Sirius cove in nineteen but a new study out of the laundry children's hospital, of Chicago suggests. That kids may actually play host to two significant amounts of the virus tightly healed sergeant and our colleagues were looking at corona virus, genetic material, the so called viral nucleic acid inside the noses and throats of their patients and she told Phil what they found older children had similar amounts of the pieces of virus viral, nucleic acid to adults and younger children actually had a bit more than the older children and the adults. That's surprising. Right because kids to get sick really with covid. So people I thought had thought that they didn't get infected. So actually, and I find this quite interesting in general is why aren't kids getting sick as adults and one of the possibilities was that kids just weren't able to get infected or if they got infected, they weren't going to be able to sustain replication and this data argues that that's not the case kids are able to get infected and have replication of the virus. Okay. How did you do this? How many kids did you look at? Actually. This was a clinical observation. We noticed that a few of our young kids that had recently been screened just for clinical symptoms had very high amounts of viral nucleic acid and when we went back and we looked at all the tests that we had done, we found this pattern. So after we controlled for duration and severity of infection, we were left with one hundred and forty five patients. We had younger children less than five years old. We had children aged five to seventeen years old and then adults over eighteen. So you're comparing young kids, older kids and adults who have had the disease for the same amount of time and are physically the same amount of sick cracked. How much more virus did the younger kids have than the older kids? So. It's hard to measure directly how much more virus the children had been the adults because what we looked at was just a nucleic acid children have about ten to a hundred fold more nucleic acid compared to the older children than adults and other previously published work by other groups have found that about that much nucleic acid correlates to having more infectious particles. Which is quite a? Shock when people thought Oh these kids aren't GonNa Spread Corona viruses. Okay. To Send them back to school the people who were saying, no, this isn't safe. This is a lot of support in their corner. Isn't it? It's an early piece of data that's needed to stand if kids have infectious virus, but we didn't look at actual infectious virus as a scientist. I always want to be as precise as possible when I'm talking about my dad so I can't say for sure that kids have more infectious virus. But this does argue that it's possible. The big questions well is aren't these kids as sick as adults? I find that fascinating what our kids doing, what's different about their bodies that allow them to be somewhat protected compared to adults I wonder if studying children will help us figure out how to treat adults. There are several different possibilities. One of the ideas is that it has to do with the receptor for the virus and actually where it's located in children and how much of it there is. Another possibility is the virus just isn't able to get down into the lungs as well, and that could be related to virus or it could be related to the immune system because that's the third possibility is that the immune system and children is able to protect against viral infection whereas an adults the immune system somewhat overreacts and actually causes damage itself. I think that it's probably the immune system, but that's a hypothesis still. A fascinating result there Taylor healed sergeant and that study has just come out in Jama pediatrics? This week the program is sponsored by ripple energy. They're doing something that's unusual and also a I, and they want to share the opportunity with you and we twenty years experience in the. Wind. Power. Industry Sarah Merrick is their founder and CEO. Ripple does is we enable individual households to own a bit of a wind farm and have the low cost clean electricity generates supply to their hope I project is now open. It's great rather in south Wales. So have really keen for people to be able to join the project and. Be Part of what does the UK's very first consumer owned windfarm can you tell us a bit about how this business will work? Sarah 'cause must become a member of a cult which owns the wind farm and it's all very democratic one member one vote. So you simply decide how much of the wind farm you want to own depending on how much electricity you use, when you can just sign up and in actually a couple of minutes on our website and you become. 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So people need acts pretty quick if they want to be part of this project Sir Americ-, CEO of ripple, energy, who is sponsoring our program this week. Now it's been a big week for space, exploration SPACEX Dragon Endeavor craft safely returned crew members from the International Space Station culminating in the first splashdown ocean is seen in forty five years and as Ben mcallister reports a key Mars mission. We actually featured here on the program a couple of weeks ago got underway. On the thirtieth of July twenty, twenty, a rocket launched from Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida USA to begin a seven month four, hundred, eighty, million kilometer journey to Mars. Aboard is the perseverance Mars rover. The river was launched now as bearing a window known as the closest approach between the earth and Mars. Because mazas further from the sun, it takes about twice as long as earth does to complete a lap of the solar system. This means that the two planets that closest to one another only about once every two years, which is why it's now or twenty, twenty two. In some ways, perseverance like a slightly more developed big brother to curiosity the most recent previous malls Robo. In fact, many of its design launch and landing features a based on curiosity with a few extra new bells and whistles added. The landing process will also be similar. The robot will reach the Martian atmosphere and then have to complete the terrifying seven-minute descent to the surface without any help from NASA. The rover will intimate atmosphere traveling at about nine thousand, nine, hundred, thousand kilometers an hour and descend in three stages. First, it will deploy an incredibly strong parachute to do the brunt of the work. Then it will detach from the parachute and employ rocket boosters pointed downwards to counteract the rovers velocity. Finally, the robot itself will be lowered gently to the ground from the platform holding their boosters, using what NASA calls the Sky Crane. In contrast to the car is curiosity perseverance is even bigger has better wheels and equipped with new technology including a fancy rock-drill taking samples of the rocky Martian surface and its own helicopter drone cold ingenuity. If it's successful, it will perform the first powered flight on the Martian surface Mars own riper moment it will then be used to help scout locations. So perseverance to visit. But it isn't just the kit which is different perseverance. Brand new exciting mission a mission. All about life on Mars one major goal is to search Mas for evidence of ancient microbial life that is looking for remnants and traces left behind by any small organisms which may have been present billions of years ago when Mazda's less dry and more supportive of life. The second major goal is to test a bunch of different equipment and systems possible future human habitation on the Red Planet for example, testing a process converting MAS carbon dioxide, rich atmosphere into oxygen, and testing the suitability of a range of materials for use in future space suits intended to support humans living in working on the Hash inhospitable Martian surface for the temperature rarely gets above zero abrasive dust domes can be frequent and the incoming radiation levels with no ozone. All magnetosphere to block them can be lethal. For now, as far as we know, Mars is the only planet in our solar system populated entirely by robots. However, if perseverance is successful in paving the way for the future human habitation of Mars, it may not belong to the robot overlords for long. Then mcallister there he's University of Western Australia. We will indeed very much looking forward to catching up with perseverance when it reaches malls in twenty twenty one. For Mars now to moos before social distancing when we saw our friends, we might have shook their hand slap them on the back maybe even give them a hug cows though choose a more intimate route unlike us they lick each other on the face and neck to say hello at least unlike most of us now new research from the Universidad. Australia Chile has used this licking behavior to assess the hierarchical relationships between cows in a herd as lead researcher Gustavo Monte told Eva Higginbotham. To be completely honest in these trying times, I can't really think of anything more relaxing than sitting in a field and watching of cows lick each other and that's exactly what members of the research team did every day several hours a day for a month noting down who leaked, who who got the most licks who got the least legs and how this changed over time. But the question remains why one of the motivations of this study has to do with one consequence, which is Rico for on the Way that we are managing cows. Let's say in the Western type of production spatially. So our systems are very intensive nowadays and part of management animals are group on regrouped very often for different purposes. So this is a problem in the way that because to establish this here, key on this relationships for a group of cows, you take some time. The problem is once they reached Kelly Renault's status of recognition than because of the management, some of the causal or even the leader is removed from. The group on then you cows when you animals came to this group, afford had to reestablish all the process all over again, and this has happened several chimes within a year within a group and within the life of the cows previous studies have shown that the constant reshuffling of animals can make them stressed out and farmers have known for a long time that stress can have a big effect on milk production. The researchers wanted to understand the effects of this reshuffling on the social dynamics of the heard. And realized that they could use looking events as a window into the social dynamics. So they observed the cows without interfering your some sort of big brother and plugged the data into a computer to perform a modern technique called social network analysis where each cow is represented by a node, and they could scrutinize the complex web of relationships over time kind of like facebook for cows is the nick that is used nowadays with big data. No. So when facebook goal, whatever company wants to a WHO are your relationships? With whom you are working with So it's the same sort of thing, knicks the where us for our situation. One of the bottom findings of this study was that unexpectedly dominant cows leaked to more than the younger cows into the group and that this could be blend the delivery in some way is. This sort of action to reward the low level unable to keep the say cohesion I. Think One important finding the these social grooming in both ways. They can establish Diogo bonds between members of the group on this also in. The version of the hurt. They also found that cows that were new additions to ahead were looking more often and hypothesized that maybe they were doing favors and trying to be friendly to get down with the new group. Interestingly though the cows that the most looking received the least licks in return, this might be because licking another cow is something of an investment, and if you go around licking everybody in might suggest that you're not going to invest in specific relationships and so the all the cow, my not bother investing in you either. Overall Gustavo in the rest of the team suggest that licking can be used as a positive marker for wellness within a heard if there's lots of looking things stable and everyone is content with their friends. If there isn't things going wrong in the complex social emotional relationships of the head and Gestapo argues that farmers should be mindful of this important aspect of cows welfare when reshuffling the groups. Or is important I wa- mood your cows in that was Kostov Monty and the work that his team have just published is out in frontiers inventory science. Chris Barrow bringing you a brand new podcast called naked gaming. 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It's no surprise then that those who do pull through my need months of rehabilitation afterwards but we're talking about this week those people who haven't been to it you and we're told their cases were just mild if they were told the tool and these people had expected to recover in just a couple of weeks but that doesn't seem to have happened. Pull Garner is one such person. He is an infectious diseases doctor at the University of Liverpool and he's been vocal about his experience one which started about five days after he first felt symptoms. Heart was racing felt really halt felt absolute exhaustion I. felt as I'll I was about to pass out. I actually thought I was dying I thought Oh my God pull this disease is really bad and this is it That was the the star of this twelve weeks cycle of abuse from this virus. You just didn't know when he woke up in the morning and might then have renewal is where you have a blinding headache we a pain in your cough or won't of. A. Full you diarrhea one morning or you might just have a Mug us in your head not be able to understand what's going on around. You is really really horrible. Really. This has been twelve weeks of this. Yes. But the thing about the disease it changes. After about five Oh six weeks I started getting these highs you actually sleep and when you wake up from the sleep, you feel incredibly refreshed. Got Out and produce walk a little bit too far but. It comes back and Sauk she between the is. Is Not just walking physical exercise. It's also mental and is also emotional. So if you have emotional events that consumes your energy, a makes you on well. It. Changes Your Life. Have you had the any of the coronavirus tests I had. The antibody tests done not came out positive. and. How Dr is generally responded to you with all these symptoms and this illness that just keeps going on. Other people have suffered a little more than than I have a white male doctor. Other. People have had some of their symptoms somewhat dismissed. An part of the reason is the symptoms are really so strange. I actually think the people sometimes don't believe the symptoms that they're getting because it does mess around with your head it messes around with your mood, and then if they have a doctor, the is relatively unsympathetic doesn't know about long cove it they get dismissed. On there, other people in the same boat. The thousands? Most of these people up people, the not officially recorded in the system. Pull Garner now given as he said that the HFS doesn't have good records on these people. How did you find out the scale of the problem? One way is using the UK's Kovic symptom tracker APP, which is got millions of willing participants logging the symptoms they're experiencing every day. Tim Spector. From King's College London leads the team that's been looking through the data. We know just after about the first month of collecting symptoms and we found those group of you will just kept logging. The average duration of symptoms was between ten and twelve days. But around ten percent of them had symptoms that lasted for over a month at one in twenty still have symptoms tremont song. One in twenty people when you think of APPs three million people infected in the UK is a lot of able with debilitating symptoms yet that that's a huge proportion. What kind of symptoms were these people getting? Will we ask in the about nineteen symptoms and the ones that seem to be coming up strongest were fatigue array, severe fatigue, but initially? Really could hardly get out of bed. And that would often cycle as well. So it would improve and then get worse. Muscle aches was another common thing is assisted. And shortness of breath the other one which is rather strange which occurred in about a fifth of these people was loss of smell and this seems to be lasting Munson. Some people which doesn't sound very important city stop thinking about how that really affects your ability to appreciate food and drink and. Can make you very crest if you lose it. People representing with a whole range of different symptoms on top of that. We actually had three people that after three months was still having intimated favors. Wow. Is really strange and we have about eight percent of people that had rashes that would appear on fingers and toes. This witness symptoms varieties now starting to be understood because it looks like different antibody responses and all these different subgroups. And I think as time goes on, we'll see and it's not necessarily one disease but as perhaps six or ten sub disease or sub responses to this I, tend to avars. Tim Spector. SA- bizarre ruinous indeed, isn't it with us is Oxford Base GP Helen Soul Spray. She's been seeing patients with the scientists. Is that a pretty fair summary. Helen you're. You're seeing people with those sorts of symptoms absolutely, and I would say the most common symptom is the fatigue to just not being able to do stuff. Patients who previously that being really fit. That'd be sort of people who'd go running several times a week, and so actually they weathered the initial illness not so badly suddenly they didn't need to go and get oxygen hospital or anything like that. And as a consequence, they never had a a swap so that never got a proper diagnosis but now. Months down the line they still get obsolete. So extent if they walk culture of Malta, the local shock and then have to rest got patients who say I was okay this morning but also shower had to sit down for an house. That's no way of getting back to life. And how quickly off the people are the ones say recover because they haven't. But how quickly after the acute symptoms do people notice that they're getting these bizarre constellations of symptoms and I'm particularly this fatigue? I think it's a little bit difficult to know because for many of my patients, they didn't have a contact me particularly the people who were in April, the big message going out which was saying don't call anyone less. You're really really really sick is a different partner for each patient I think the each have a different set of symptoms. So some the thing that's really bothering them still is being out of breath I've got one patient twos having fevers, persistent fevers all the time, which is really difficult because everyone thinks she still infectious which she isn't. But just still really affected by those favors and stopping at things when you say that you know she's not still infected. How do you know that? Because we've the reason Roskin this question the reason for us in this question is poor Ghana who we were hearing from just now infectious diseases Dr, who described his experience. He said he had an antibody test and it was positive but he was interested in whether or not. He still had virus in him. It's really difficult to tell this particular person I think has had swap tests the proof she's not carrying the viral Rene and more, and some of the patients have posted antibody tests but not all of them and that's also really difficult things for people because if they didn't have a swab in the first place although they had symptoms that they came on the right time had a really convincing set of symptoms. You think Yep that's definitely covert, they don't now have any antibodies. because. We know that some people's antibodies Wayne quickly. So it's it's actually really difficult to tell. Am I think somebody else was talking about how difficult it is. If GP's don't understand what's going on and if you have no swap to start with I'm no antibodies now on a collection of really really wit symptoms it's unfortunate quite a few patients are not getting a fully sympathetic or empathetic response from that. Will. Dwell a little bit more on testing a bit later in the program to explore some of those deficiences that you've highlighted Helen have. You noticed though in the patients that come to see you with the symptoms are there any general trends of the kinds of people who presenting like this and you can say they fit a particular group or is it just all and sundry all ages both sexes young old? No different sundry I've probably got more slightly younger patients actually not so many patients in the sixties and seventies but more patients in the thirties and forties I would say, I mean that may just be good for patients I'm seeing. One of the good things are just beginning to see some of these patients. You know what? I feel that what? It's not just for day or two I've actually felt better for holy. Hell and thank you for ending on that very optimistic note that's GP Helen source break with her account of the patient. She's been seeing with the long tail of coronavirus infection. The naked scientists podcast is produced in association with Spitfire Cost Effective Voice Internet, and Ip Engineering Services. The UK businesses find out how Spitfire can impel your company had Spitfire Coach UK. Music in the program is sponsored by epidemic, sound perfect music for audio and video productions. Miss, we will learning about long covert the condition where corona virus sufferers recover from the acute infection. But thank God wants to develop a teague another very bizarre symptoms. The Ken lost months and hints are starting to emerge about the damage or complications that are going on in multiple different or in these patients and a group of medical scientists in Germany have recently discovered ongoing heart issues in a significant proportion of people that only ever had this mild covert cardiologists. Valentina Portman explains we investigated patients that recently recovered from covid nineteen illness. So we have the very, very deep look at their hearts. And in these patients, we found that many many of them even if they didn't really have a rough course of the original illness, they still had persist and ongoing cardiac inflammation a little bit like a flu of the heart. How many of them had this kind of inflammation? We scan total of hundred patients seventy eight off. Those have had some findings in the heart. Of these sixty had very active inflammation. Inflammation within the heart muscle something that we call myocarditis as well as inflammation of the lining of the heart pericarditis. How long is this after they were originally sick? The average time from their original causative task was seventy one days. Wow that's a long time since they had this, you know positive test what's going on? This is the question that obviously I can only speculate on and it is not due to an ongoing infection of the heart muscle. So it is not the virus remains within a heart cells. The body itself is understanding the inflammation of the heart is something that it has to fight against or tries to control it but this is obviously at this present point hypotheses. Juno whether this kind of heart inflammation might linked to any specific symptoms that people are feeling months after they were supposed to go better from covert. That is very difficult to say because Hark inflammation does not present with specific symptoms being knocked feet especially young patients. This is one of those symptoms definitely can make aware of it. However inflammation takes a long time to present itself with what we call text book symptoms, chest pain shortness of breath swelling of the legs. But in general, then this might be kind of a hint as to why these people are still unwell. Absolutely this is definitely one of the things that we should look for very early and very fast if possible. In konic inflammation trying to be very sporty very fast is probably not the right thing and I think if any message can be given the present point is that we just need to give the heart as well as the rest of the body time to heal. Balancing appointment from the University of Frankfurt explaining her study from the Journal of Cardiology. Now, this sort of inflammation is a strong hint. The body's own immune system may be a key player in this long tail post, Covid Syndrome and with us to discuss it is University of Cambridge's. Clare. Bryant, so clear what do you think's going on? Yeah, that's a great question Chris and somewhat complicated by the fact that. We're really just beginning to understand what's happening with the immune response per se. But basically, inflammation is the way in which the body tries to control infections, and therefore the production of information should be protective response against the virus. But what seems to be happening with this infection is that the body is mounting an excessive response and then the longer tale presumably, you'll guessing some long term inflammatory response that somehow is not switching off in the way you would normally expect it to after an infection. So, we're getting effects, which is short term. The virus goes in it does some damage you get inflammation because it's there that successful and gets rid of the virus, but it's almost like the vestiges of the inflammatory response just remain grumbling on indefinitely and damaged tissues. That seems to be was happening and that's really quite concerning because. One of the things we noticed that the has is able to attack feel sells sells line in the lung, the plug vessels. This evidence suggesting that infected cells of the loin vessels is communicating with immune cells, and this then is causing and triggering information in this can actually cause reprogramming of different immune cells and presumably there's a reprogramming going on which is leading to the unbalanced immune response that we're saying. Why is it so pronounced in some people and other people don't even know they were even infected. Think we really know tool. It's really not clear toll why some people get nothing other people get this kind of long effect. Do you think is the virus or do you think it's the individual? I guess it's more likely to be an individual response in that the virus is going to have pretty similar effects wherever it goes. It just depends how you as an individual respond to that virus. And potentially a host genetic factors that we just don't know about. In Cambridge, the Department of Medicine. Adam Brooks Hospital have been running a very important study where they've been collecting samples from extremely large numbers of patients who have corona vars of a range of different varieties, and they're following through those patients and looking actually at the aftermath as well as when they're acutely unwell. I wrote to Professor Ken Smith Today he's on holiday so he was unable to join us on the program but I asked him could you tell us a bit about the findings and he said that one new observation they've made is that about twenty eight to fifty days after the first symptoms with Corona virus people with even moderate disease who have recovered and gone home have changes to the levels of white blood cells in the blood. And those changes. Don't seem to be resolving. They've got some cells which are higher many cells which are much lower and he said to me that this raises the possibility that there could be some kind of ongoing immune abnormality after covid nineteen that's driving some of the symptoms including the long-term symptoms seeing, and the fact that some of the the cell levels are very low. He said to me is there a possibility of post covid Immune Deficiency Syndrome and actually it wouldn't be so unusual for that day and would it because in the last year we've seen paper published where when people catch measles virus? Measles goes through the immune slate clean people lose all of their immune memory and their immune to measles, but then they're not immune to anything else. Yeah I mean I think that's extremely interesting and if this is true in covert as well and this data would support that as a possibility, a sort of immune Nisar. The Not. That's extremely interesting and really speaks to us as thinking really carefully you take a post covy patient. fave also had their immune slate wiped clean. Then we need to think about boosting them for vaccines against other infectious diseases to protect against secondary infections, tertia infections. But to one side for second why do you think that people are presenting with the symptoms that they are Helen. I'm Paul who we heard from earlier in the program. But both describing this profound fatigue and fatigue that you don't know is there and to do something, and then it kicks in why would the immune system produce symptoms like that? If you have a generalized inflammation. Information your heart or you got information in your lungs. You. Probably will feel fatigue because what happens is the function of those tissues is compromised. You get a less efficient cardiac function you're guessing less optionally ritual brain and your your muscles. So therefore, you will be tired if you're getting less efficient spirit, she system function because you lung damage or long information than you'll get less oxygen delivery in that will make you fatigued. Information in a nervous thousand south of the brain will lead you potentially feeling fatigued. So there's a whole host of factors here where information on the hall, where if you've got unregulated information, which is no longer fighting the infection. It will make you feel bad information makes you feel bad. With that mind ep what's going on with the next person we're going to hear from this is Barbara Melville. Had Corona virus and has subsequently had long tail symptoms very similar to poor but many of them mirroring some of the points that took place been making. It's been a roller coaster. I've had symptoms since the middle of March. Start with coffin congestion nothing to concerning. Fast forward a couple of weeks later on I can't breathe properly at one point I was unable to walk. A cold one, one on the Tim Sunshine's it. Few minutes later, I collapsed rating with heats Antarctica an ambulance. Wet. Tolls Patil at that point diagnosed with COQ nineteen. Able to test me for the next ten weeks. So obvious bad boned with breathing difficulties low oxygen saturation's Tennessee Star Rio, dizziness nausea you name a harder but the main problems which continue to this day are breathing difficulties. So I can actually walk more than a couple of minutes. Sny I used to be an avid hell walk her martial artist am cut get to the end of my street. And you're talking to me now is this an effort as well that it's going to take it out of you and maybe come back to hit you tomorrow I haven't really had that kind of post viral fatigue people talk Abo- for a while. So I'm lucky but I am the APP MINIMA support. Group and they are definitely seeing this pattern of what we call boom and bust whereby do something and then there's immediate effect. Personally that's not why I'm seeing what is wire malone nervous about the blanket label of push viral cheek for everybody I sent not maybe the case for some people haven't been the case for me. Have you had the antibody test When I was in hospital, they were unable to do it. They said, they get into trouble and I've decided not to have an antibody test present. My feeling is they're not robust enough. I'm concerned that if I worked to have a positive test that may have stigma attached to it to rather lake HIV did back in the ninety S. Of heard from a few different people that some of their symptoms are like weirdly brain related. Yes. This is an interesting one. People talk about brain fog not a collective way of describing memory loss are that thing where you put your laundry in the toilet instead of the laundry basket? That sort of thing that d really get to get some. Clarity on urological, site. Bobber Melville. Clare. Many of the symptoms that Barbour describes quite acute symptoms. Do you think that she's got sort of injury to various tissues caused by the virus directly and she suffering the effects of that or do you think she's got these subsequent immunological effects going on? What do you think it could be both? A combination of both but my slightly immunological because information leased average long-term damages is exactly the kind of symptoms. She's the reasons for the symptoms that she's describing. And what about the prognosis in people who have this Helen did say earlier that some of our patients saying I'm beginning to turn the corner but once you've got these footprints in your immune system caused by affection light covert. They. Therefore keeps or will this eventually sort of put himself? Right. We have to hope that it will eventually solve itself Crisp. But at the moment, that's a big unknown heavens giving us some hope but really we just don't. Play thank you clip Bryant from the University of Cambridge Clare Staying with us through the program will be talking to a bit later on about getting a test for covid. So far in the program, we've learned about the condition of long cove it and we've heard some possible explanations for what might be underlying them. But now we're GONNA turn our attention to the more unusual symptoms as well as taking a look at some options testing and Treatment Barbara. Melville asked us to provide some clarity on the neurological sight of this disorder and humanity that is University of Cambridge neuropathologist Kieran Allinson Kieran, how can the current virus affect your brain? Will think. Brian can potentially do that by a variety of different mechanisms. Potentially the current of ours could actually infect the brain tissue itself and cause inflammation. In the brain tissue. May might be that the immune system causes excessive inflammation generally throughout the body including the brain and maybe the virus doesn't actually end the brain at self, but it sets up. An Immune response that causes inflammation in the brain. Now it's it's quite hard it for viruses and other stuff to get into your brain because obviously that something that the body desperately doesn't want if if that's actually what was going on, how would that be happening? Is Variety of possible roots into the brain. The vars do take. For example, the factory nerve is where the herpes virus simply virus infects Brian Vaa. It may cross from the Blood Savar in the bloodstream can cross across the blood brain barrier, which is the largest barrier in body. It's bar deliberate doesn't let much across Ernie selectively let certain things across. And it might be the versed get into the nerves. Come off the spinal to come of the brain stem. Trouble Buck in the nose and get into the brain that way. Do you have any evidence either way I mean you're in Europe pathologist what have you seen? Of examined. The brains from a few people who them Cevik covid nineteen. I've seen a variety of different changes of certainly seen what we call encephalitis, which is inflammation of the brain. So that's some wanted cells of the immune cells in the brain tissue causing inflammation and damage. But I didn't actually detect the vars in the brain tissue. So, I don't know where the virus was that an sets up the inflammation. Or wherever never that but sets inflammation in the body. And that can cause damage the brain we've vars ever been directly in the brain tissue. There is no good evidence yet the covid nineteen bars can directly infect neurons and other brain cells, but it certainly as possible. The other way I've seen the virus. In fact, the brain is strokes and might damage the cells that line blood vessels. And the brains full blood vessels, little tiny blood vessels, and it can cause them to close off form strokes of you that die and that might relate to the fact that the virus causes. This hypoc regulation always makes you more sticky more liable to clots. So I've certainly seen both forms of brain damage in. Nineteen. If you had to put money down anything what would be your bet because people like Pau have talked about he actually asked us to ask someone like you. He says, I've had things like wild swings and mood sometimes I wake in tears feel absolutely side by the afternoon I'm almost high ready to conquer the world. No history of mental illness if you had to put down, what do you think is going on is the virus you know getting into his brain or or what? Will. So it's been increasing recognize. It definitely does the Brian caused brain symptoms, neurological symptoms, und-? Some equal encephalopathy whether brain isn't generally isn't working very well. I think. That when they've tested the set from patients with North Sue. What's what's CSF? Spinal Fluid Paves the brain spawn Gordon's or provide it nutrients, etc.. We can test for the virus on on patients where they've done that doesn't mean very many where they've actually detected the nucleic acid of the virus in the several spinal fluid. My guess is more that it's A. What we call a power infectious process. So the IT Jus, the infection, but not directly to the of the virus. So think the virus causes the scientists storm, which is massive overreaction of our immune system. In susceptible people and not can damage blood vessels throughout the body that can cause the blood brain barrier. It's become more leaky. So inflammation that normally wouldn't get into the brain what would know may not pass into the rain Might be able to across Lebron Beria. Interesting. Maybe, the brain itself in terms of other neurological stuff poll and lots of other people that I've spoken to talk about this fizzing feeling Paul says it's in his arms and legs other people states in their skin. Some buzzing and call it pepper corn feeling. What do you think might be going on there? Was surprised things out about covid nineteen as it can damage the peripheral nervous system, which is all tunnel nerves start your skin provider sensation. This is a real feature post covert of dumbest to perform nerves causing changes in the sensation of the skin. So mobile loss of failing what we call anesthesia, but also just changes in feeling so unusual or maybe painful feelings were just from light-touch Cetera. Karen. Thank you so much that Karen Allinson and a paper by Kieran as well as our very own Chris Smith, which is on the possibility of the coronavirus using this vegas nerve a nerve that goes into the brain to infect the brain that's recently been accepted by a journal called neuro pathology and applied neurobiology, and that paper should be out soon. Well let's go back to the immunology of all of this with us is a class Bryant who is an immunologist at the University of Cambridge and Clare One of the things which has been at the heart of of many of the debates, discussions and arguments all the way through the coronavirus pandemic is testing. Initially everyone said, we need an antibody test because then we can work out who's really had it. Now, we've got antibody test and people still confused not least scientists. So what's going on? Yeah it's It's a bit of a disappointment isn't it? Antibodies made. Over a period of time joined time Colston when infection. So timing of the antibody test is absolutely critical. So it appears that in the first week of infection using antibody test, you only pick up about thirty percent of the people this because you're antibodies are just beginning to be generated. than by but weeks two to three with antibody levels of peaking, and at that point about seventy percent paper will positive. After that? We were a little unclear because it depends how long antibodies last four and how sensitive antibody test is is a little bit disappointing because one hoped it would be a little bit more clear cut than that. But it it's beginning to appear that the antibody test is not going to be the magic silver bullet that. Prime Minister. hoped it would be. Researchers in Sweden recently said, we'll antibodies not necessarily the bill, an endle- and actually white blood cells t cells, which also helped to fight off infection play a massively important role and some people might have no antibodies but lots of t cells, what are they getting at and would you agree with them? Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. I mean. There's this two sides to every story with immune system. So what the T. cells do say they detect pickup and destroy infected cells. T cells also inform the B. Cells B cells, the cells generate the antibodies. So also help pile out more antibodies to attack the virus as well. So anything that stimulates cell responsible help with generating protective immunity against virus. So antibodies on the T. cells are actually critical to generating a potentially protective immune response. But again, I say that with the caveat that we hope that this is what's going to happen and we hope that the this is what a vaccine should do is stimulate and sponsors and t cell responses but as yet we don't actually know because we haven't got that data yet. If we look it of a corona viruses because there are four common human krona viruses that come every winter nichols common cold type symptoms. One of them infect cells are exactly the same route as this new corona. Navarre's so can we get some clues from how the immune system responds to that to inform what the likely long-term response to this new one will be? You can get what against that particular corona virus and that will help you against calls for the wall. Trouble is the protection doesn't seem to last very long. And so there's a lot of discussion about willing. If you use a vaccine, we need to be regularly boosted if so frequently because the protection you get against the Cocos and corona virus doesn't seem to last for tremendously longtime. Clear thank you and I suppose one piece of good news is that the data we have so far from some of the vaccine that have been tested, they do suggest that both t cells and antibodies produced in response to those vaccines, which is encouraging because it sounds like from what Clare saying that's what we need. Clermont thanks to our guests. Helen. And Karen, Allinson, as well as poor Ghana Tim Spector. Valentine appointment and Barbara Melville and let's hope that there is both more research to understand the condition and opportunities soon to support these patients at the same time as those who are coming out of critical care. Finally now, we've just got time for question of the week and this week at a Murphy has been searching the files for an answer to this question from Johnny does bearing paper in a landfill sequester carbon. Accents in a way trees are in the grounds trees make paper. If you put that paper buck in the ground you're helping out. Right. Well. Sean Fitzgerald from the Royal Academy of Engineering and visiting Professor at the University of Cambridge might stop us from barking up the wrong tree. Carbon sequestration is the process by which carbon dioxide is removed from the atmosphere and locked away in various forms such as being buried, underground, converted to minerals such as carbonates us to raise the carbon content of soils or stores would for future generations. It is very natural to pose the question does burying paper in landfill. Sequester. Carbon. When my I thing that given that trees contain carbon and trees were fell to make the paper if we could keep it landfill that might be a solution however, there is more to it than that. We need to consider two things the results of making paper in the first place, and then what happens if we put it in landfilled of course as with many things signs, the truth is quite simple. The tree loss caused by the manufacture of paper is staggering. About thirty, five percent of trees felled worldwide a used to feed the paper industry. We're not replacing these the rate we're failing them. So I use paper isn't helping here. About landfill once we have used the paper. Well paper doesn't stay the same condition overtime it will decompose and release methane and carbon dioxide. Both gases are a real problem. Methane is more potent as a greenhouse gas although it doesn't last as long in the atmosphere. But nevertheless, it lasts for years. So was a real problem. The simple answer is to use less paper. Thank you sean for digging open answer to that one for us next week, we're looking out for an answer to this question from Lionel. I'm still descent switches on a light when it takes a sound how? My hands the come on fractions of a second before the sound does he take my brain long process assign than the light? What do you think email Chris at the naked scientists dot com or come join in the debate on our forum naked scientists, dot com slash forum, and if you have a question of your own, we love getting them send them in by email or there's a simple web form on our site naked scientists, dot com slash question, and that is it for this week on the naked scientists as always if you're looking for papers that we have talked about, you can find them on our website along with. Transcripts for the interviews that we've done and next time. How well can you understand the people around you? 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I'm not you couldn't be way more than that And so we want to hear some of them and sort of like a community meeting like a group therapy thing. Cc what everybody has to say about this What's going on with you and jessica. All i know you guys have been together for seven months that you're having some kind of issue. What's the deal care. I mean we've actually been like really happy. You know we both love each other like we teased by family. You know and and she loved my family and they loved her and You know it was great and it is great is just He doesn't want me to be her family yet. Okay seven months you have introduced her to your family and everything and well And the serious relationship with seven months but we were talking about like you know. We're looking to the future here. We're looking for your maybe marriage and all of that. Yeah he yeah any. She even say he'll spend the rest of her life and may but he's not ready for me to meet her family yet. Until i just like i don't know is that normal. She said she wants to take it. Slow like don't my respecting that. But i'm also i just think results part of me and i'm like is that something to worry about that. He's not ready for me to meet her family yet. by the way you can be part of the show eight five five five nine one zero. Three five off yeah. I think it's weird. I think it's weird because you're at the point where she's comfortable meeting your family and you and she's comfortable enough to save that you're the one you know so to speak. But yet for whatever reason she's concealing her family from you were you from her family. I doubt that she's ashamed of you so someone tells me something about her family. She's a shame. That's what i'm thinking. He indicated that to you as she as she given you. Any clue bad childhood or that. They someone of the families of weirdo or something like that. He definitely hasn't talked a lot about her family. key mentioned that earner shishir like. Don't talk anymore. So i kinda yeah. It seemed like kind of a hot button topic. So figured i'd give that on and like but you know about it. And then like i mean he. He moved away from her family. Well yeah i feel like. I feel like there's drama in the family. But if she still talks to them and i mean she still talks to them if they were like a strange. This is not a conversation if there was no interaction with them. Then you wouldn't be asking to meet them. So here's a woman who's like i want to be with you forever but then you don't get to see the whole picture and not that you would change the way that you feel about her. It might fact enhance the way you feel about her. But you wanna to maintain people because like how. Can you know what i mean. Yeah i mean. I heard wanna see like you know where she her own. Good play in different like you have a right to to. But he's got they're going to be together forever. What's the rush like. Like longtime but thaddeus. It's twenty twenty. There's a pandemic out there you don't you don't need to be meeting zoom meat. But maybe she's gotten should maybe she's got issues. Maybe there is something behind there. Maybe she doesn't maybe have a different political stance and she does or they do and maybe she doesn't talk to some members of the family anymore and you got time in but you ain't going nowhere in fairness she's not using the pandemic is an excuse because you're using the pandemic use not calling. You know your if that's if that's the only reason you haven't met these people. If i if i met a girl in the last seven months and she's like look. My family lives far away. They're older and i haven't been home then. I'm not going to be like you're taking me home. I don't care you know what i mean. Ignore like you know. I've been if i have been dating somebody for seven months. I don't know that. I would have been introduced him to my family because go home. I've go home a couple of times. It's his whole thing fly home. I get tested. I hang out with my family. That i come back. I get tested his whole thing. And i'm you know it best probably for some people risky enough as it is. I'm not introducing other people into that so it the pandemic thing if she would have told you if that was the problem that you think enter it. It's not the pandemic thing. Like i mean you know maybe even doomed with my family. You know what i mean like. We could have been right right right. There's something more family peace of mind. Don't you have to think of the peace of mind the other person involved to like just to say okay. I've met your family. And i've hung out with them. I spent time with them. Now you've met mine or some of them. You have some idea what's going on there. I mean once you do that just for your partner to give them peace of mind. They're asking for it because like she she left it so big like he doesn't like i want to be respectful of her boundaries and mike respect date. There's something there that she doesn't want to talk about her doesn't want me to t yet. Doesn't want to open up about yet. And so i respect that in mike trusting all he will tell me when the tiny great. But i don't like i don't like it because not a reason to to leave your laces again. Me feel like he gets to choose pick and choose what parts of her life you could access to and and again this is seven months and you're talking about forever and you don't feel you're talking about forever. That's that's i got forever to to to figure all this out it's it's we're gonna be together forever so you may as well lay it out now and whatever it is you're concealing. Yeah okay so you have a conversation with their have a conversation with her bringing it up. I want your family is there. Is there something. You're you're not telling me nets as that you don't have to be. I don't wanna see your family or this is over. Well i feel like that's implied. Though i feel like him saying he wants to. He wants her to reciprocate what he's offered her in this relationship. I feel like it's implied it. It's either do it or tell me why we're not doing it. Okay yeah then she has she had they have to have a conversation and talk about it. But there's no reason to leave your relationship for seven months just because you have a family like every red flag. Every family dynamic is different for family. Maybe there's there's some drama behind their. That doesn't change your opinion on that one on on your girlfriend you'd have well because some people though you know that it's no fault of their own but if we're being really honest here if you come from a really bad family environment and depending on from from where and what happened. That's something that you should be aware of before you get into a lifetime commitment with somebody not because you're not gonna do it but because you will be aware of sensitivities of things that are coming of aspects of that you may have talent we were. There might be challenges in your relationship. I wanna know. If i'm gonna marry somebody everything. There is as much as persons willing to tell me. And hopefully that's everything if i'm marrying them Hunter i'm gonna take some phone calls. We'll see people have to say good luck band. I have the radio on and and you can make your life decision in about ten minutes after taking phone calls. Okay good luck. Eight five five five nine one zero. Three five dude is is with somebody for seven months and she's fully in with his family except she won't introduce him to any of her family despite the fantasy says that they're gonna be together forever. That's the intent. Hey bill bill. Good morning what are you saying. I definitely think he should stay. 'cause once kim meet the family you become Expected to go to every single time you have now with just girlfriend might be serious but down the road i mean i don't think it's that simple man. I don't i was brought to you by spirit. Hub uncommon craft delivered whether it's innocent puppies and kittens and situations of Dogs being used in product testing or endangered species for trophies. The humane society of the united states is fighting every day to protect all animals. Their work needs your dedication and support. So they can take on the biggest fights for all them. You can help prevent cruelty right now. Where the one. Time or sustaining gift at prevent cruelty dot com that's prevent cruelty dot com. Visit them today and become a humane hero to all animals hiding you know what is what is so bad that the guy she's gonna marry supposedly can't deal with. That is as soon as you go to the family. You become part of the drama in you. Automatically take her south. Yeah i would enjoy the time you hear right now before all that angry. What did you find out that somebody her family is a terrible awful criminal or something and and you had to live with that because you're associated by moses by default but you still gotta you still don't know what you're dealing with family you guys going to judge me. Yes no. i'm going to marry you. And i don't know if there's something really terrible going on and she didn't do that but i have a right to know. I still have a right for her. Not to not that long day talk seven. They're talking about being together forever. You're having conversations like this is serious. Yeah oh macy's slow the relationship down then. I think they should just smoke a jay and chill because this is too much something here that i don't like. Thank you have a good day bill. Yes paulina okay. I think that there's something there that she doesn't want him to see. I get that and everything but what what's going to happen the family or he's gonna meet the family at the wedding that to me is is not nice. She gets to pick and choose access. He has to her life when he's given everything. I'm saying every family's different. Maybe he comes from super. Loving family understands family. He talked to his mom every willing to meet his family. Then i think we would have sack is like okay your family. You want me to meet them. Meet them. But i'm not ready for you to meet mine. I think that they both can control those situations. And it's nice that she's willing to hang out with his. Hey selena i go yes girl. So a few years ago i was dating. This guy who didn't introduced does family for almost a year because he was dating another person's That happens or maybe. Maybe there's something about her that her family might reveal like if it's dating or some sort of aspect first of her past that she's not telling him about. She's editing her life. I don't like it. I don't like what is she hiding. Been a year. Y'all deeper shady. Thank you sleep. have a good day. I thought i was thinking. Maybe he's another relationship or or he or sorry she is or maybe she doesn't really took them serious. Like we think this whole forever thing. I'm already like you gotta meet the family. The parents i didn't see a point. I would get it if if he's pushing his family on her and she's like no but she's all in on his side you know. She wants to be immersed in his part in in his stuff. So why is she not reciprocating. And if it's something like I'm not ready. Or i don't like them or there's some good skeleton in the closet will then all she has to do is tell him that and this conversation is mood. He's probably okay. she's not telling him anything. So what does that mean. Hey naomi morning. What if you want to say what are you think. Okay so i think seven months okay. Yeah maybe a little maybe not for some but coming close to year. You need to find out because i have a feeling. She's her side piece Something else going on in the family knows another guy As the guy and he's just you know this accessory but a seven months seven months. Id's i mean yeah happens all the time and she met and she met his family for come on now like really no. I dated somebody who met my parents in which eating because she might she would argue. She wasn't cheating that you know it wasn't as you guys official. Oh yeah but you know. We weren't as serious as i thought it would it but hit your comings. I mean my family like what do you think that means i feel like there'd be more shady situations he would. He told us about it not just meeting her family. You know saying didn't seem like he felt like yeah exactly like she's not oh she doesn't she's let me see your phone or she doesn't let me Contact your on tuesdays and thursdays or something like that. You know what. I'm saying stays. Everybody knows what happens on tuesdays and thursdays some naomi. Thank you for listening. Have a great day. Hey ryan recording. Hi good morning. You've been in this situation just to recap of you just tuning in this guy in sayer go he. He's been dating a woman for seven months. They both acknowledge according to him that they're the ones that they're going to get married and she's all in with his family's met them. I guess hangs out with them. According to his note to us yet he at her family's off limits to him completely. He wants to know why you should go. But i mean he's got to figure this out for himself. I honestly don't think he's telling the full story. I mean if they're claiming that each other are the one You know something's not adding up like how do you not have that conversation break breakdown. What what exactly is it that. Why can i not be your family. You really think like it's going to hurt our relationship. Some way of how successful authority and like you said seven months. I mean there's plenty of people. Have i know but crap and whatnot but like you know you're gonna find somebody else that's gonna wanna to introduce you to family gonna take pride in you. I can think of your lack of worth for seven months. And he had brought up the they're talking about marriage staff and the one thing and all that then i would say it's too soon and he needs to pump the brakes but but they're apparently you know hot and heavy and serious and if that's truly mutual then that changes this then he has a right to know what's going on everything a hundred percent concern. I mean you got a lot of good points like from everywhere and like it's kind of hard to say stay or go. But i mean like i said what i said before. He's gotta have that conversation and and really breakdown that berry like not not made 'em hey i don't mean your family oak do it. You gotta have that conversation and see where everything lives. 'cause i say that is that five piece but there's there's something that's not quite right with this situation. I agree thank you ryan have a great day. Thank you got eight amy. good morning. Welcome to the show. How are you kidding berio. I think he's he's gotta go In my past relationship. I didn't meet family until like nine months the years and it was such ideological differences between the family. And the that we're gonna be together rather like four and a half years after that anyway but it was never it was like. We're always trying to fix something. You can't pick your family your family and i feel like maybe that's that. She knows that they won't get along. And if they are talking about the future than like that's something to think of your family and your significant other and you don't really see eye to eye. It's let's say this is all on the up and up right. Let's say that there's no cheating and they really like each other and they really feel the same way about each other than i feel like. She's kicking something down that kicking the can down the road. Whatever it is. There's something whether he won't be accepted whether it is religion or it's his race or whether it's or whether there's something fundamental here that's being avoided and want to know what that is because in fact we're talking about being together forever but i you know he's gonna find out on maury povich. What i think are more easy going more excited. Yeah he's actually dna tests involved or we're gonna find out there on here and we're gonna fight. In fact i wish you wouldn't go. Don't go on more income right here. No problem we got chairs. You can throw in everything Thank you amy. have a great day. Glad you call it Listen to entertain report. And then she'll shelly is here on the show. One three five one every five. Kiss up out. The latest entertainment news is on the fred shown. Says he still feels guilty about death panels in vegas to see him. Fight bruce seldon. The night he died in a drive by shooting. Ninety six and mike says he feels like he really pressured him to be there so mike wanted to walk the ring with accustomed to attract played in the mgm. Grand switch just need to take a second to appreciate how amazing that is on. He says he pestered him to bring the actual tape like the recording which is very timely old-timey on and after the fight mike plan to join him at six six to nightclub where the rapper was shot. He said he only changes plans because he'd recently had a baby and decided to go home to his family so sad sort of the bachelorette for those really something i can i It was very bad. David really bad and A little guilty but commented fight meet crushing them for being taken off the tape. You know and i go out with him. 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I was contacted by your son's jeff. Kerr they told me that. Used to live in detroit across from me. and gosh. that's that's beautiful and they want me to wish you happy to nuke idea is happy governor. George to publicist as he's like i don't they know what it was. But he's hitting threes. I have to his sons jeff and jer. Only that use. Gosh that's that's beautiful and they want me to wish you happy to basit so man you on twitter. Now join t. new lady He's probably not all that tech savvy but if you can make if you can record a tiktok that he can take a word. You don't know and put it in google and do the google pronunciation of figure out what the hell the other thing is. If i'm a big celebrity. He's older it'd be doesn't care but i'm not i'm not going to get set up to say something stupid you know so i'm gonna make sure i'm going to have somebody or myself. I'm a research what i'm being asked to say so that i don't wind up like this google. Will you also hannukah spelled or pronounced or whatever knows all the time. I see where it's all the timer things i don't own and i'll like look it up on google fi saying half the time i still say wrong but like anyway And then we have this Famous this is also a cameo famous. Ufc ring announcer. bruce. Buffer isn't the brother of the son of michael buble. This brother little brother. Michael buffer was good ball. He's got sued for it Michael buffer copyright was paid two hundred ninety nine dollars on cameo to record a break-up message for a fan and this is what he did time to find the time line anywhere as good as i should have this pulled out but now Marvan ride with mark mcgrath. Those a cameo too. I thought it was really. Oh i don't know ask someone. Didn't he come out and say somebody said set him up or something here get his mark. Band sheared off the charts. But always in your hearts this cameo was booked by cheyenne and she wants to know a few things. And this is a little difficult for me to say. Because it's the first one of these i've done but she wants to hear no. You mean a lot to her. You mean the world to her but she's having difficulty staying in this long distance relationship. It's been on the road for years with my wife a long time. That biggest arguments. The biggest obstacles in our relationships is the distance between us. It makes it very difficult around the road And it's hard for. John is trying to let you know it's very tough for her to stay in this relationship. She still cares about you a lot. You never know what the future may never know. Wants to be friends with you. You cares about you very very fake than heated. know at the time because he looks really tortured. He's really like stumbling over his words. He was trying to see if he would read it but he was a fake. Like fake to see if he'd do it. Hold on i'm reading on it. Can you decline a tiktok tries to get you to like. Speak out against somebody. You don't hear 'cause or something. yeah. Because i don't know just watching this washing hit. He's really struggling. And i don't think he's that good of an actor so mark mcgrath is like a music knowledge expert though he has an encyclopedia like the guy is incredible. He knows like you went on jeopardy when they had any win every time because he just knows everything very knowledge story on this thing He got set up anyway. Whoa research this off the eight five five five nine one one or three five showbiz. Shelly is here next. Play the showdown for one hundred and three dollars fifty cents. If you sabir four game win streak on the fred show. What oh three five one three five kiss. You have what it takes to battle showbiz shelly. In the showbiz showdown eight five five five nine one one zero three five. If you wanna play the game. I keep forgetting to tell people to call these days. I just assumed that dislike everybody in the world. Now's everybody knows what we're doing votes in the whole wide world. So if you'd like to take on showbiz. Shelly call now shelly. Good morning. good morning. I just keep forgetting to get people to play against you. I just did that oughta this. Because that's what i thought. I thought you said the number. Nobody called and i was like. Oh no i mean it doesn't happen these days and just really never know these days. What's going to happen to out. I'm just never truly aware of what what the new day will bring you know some days. It's like nothing works some days you wake up. It's like hey come in two days some days it's like you don't have to leave your bed your underwear you know other you just never know you just never know shelly How are you doing. I'm doing good. How are you guys doing right. We're just lining up display here. We go in through the entrance interview you know. We asked him a lot of personal questions before they come on the program. Like what's your name. where are you from. Have you received the vaccination yet. A lot of people are wondering about that. Here we go. Hey kaelin in palatine. Good morning how you doing excellent. What's going on unit car or are you going to work. I guess what do you do that. You have to actually go their customer service plumbing companies. So we're essential. Well you are some have is my calling kaelin get over here right now Okay so it's five questions. Chile has won four straight games. Three eighty four twenty-seven her overall record and the prize of course one hundred and three dollars and fifty cents. Are you ready. caitlyn. Alice play caitlyn. Good luck thank you. Shelly off to her sound booth proves she is taking her headphones off. Here we go question number one who hosted. Snl for the first time over the weekend in a new photo. Sasha obama looks amazing and all grown up. What's your sister's name. Why did shawn mendez. Publicly apologized to sam smith. Oh i have no clue. A game of thrones prequel is in the works which network aired game of thrones and adam. Brody is forty-one. Today adam rose to fame after playing seth cohen on this teen drama in the early two thousand three one more. Oh you were. We got three three which is good but you were so close to for all right. Well you'll see in a second and then you'll be like hello hi shelley. Three three was the score. Okay okay you ready. I'm ready s. l. For the first time over the weekend timothy salomon a new photo. Sasha obama looks amazing and all grown up. What is your name. Malia shut mendez publicly apologized to sam. Smith oh he introduced him with the wrong correct. Romania game of thrones prequel the works which network aired game of thrones and adam brody is forty one today adam rose to fame after playing seth cohen on this teen drama in the early two thousands. One caitlyn goes. Oh she didn't know the answer. It's like whoa. we're so close Caitlyn you have to say. Caitlin showed up on the showdown showed up on the showdown with the girl was good. I mean we grill. Hang griller for the whole thing Caitlyn hang on and have a great day. I'm glad you Playing thanks for listening and have a good day to plumbing place. Okay shelley boy. You some tired today shelly. Like you sound like how about how about how she's like. Oh man. I lost so refresh about how soon to be honest. How how soon before the showbiz showdown you wake up. Honestly five minutes. I wake up at six thirty. No i wake up between six thirty and seven through my little prepping stuff stuff. See what's going on mendez discipline. Because let me tell you shops like when we were working from home for a day. That's how it started started with okay. I'm gonna get up at the normal time in lay in my bed and do my our prep like i do every single day and then it was like well saying there's forty five minutes before and then it was thirty minutes before and before long. It was like rodney earned. Four minutes crawl my ass in there and start talking so you have tremendous discipline being able to get up at home and like actually More have tremendous -iety and i can't imagine waiting till five minutes to get on to do it. I need to peters not gonna were. Nothing's in the log in and the power was out at my house howard. We thought of every single contingency for this. What am i gonna do helical. Chick generator can't do. But i wish. I had this kind of discipline when i was a kid because i was the i i i have anxiety but yet for some reason i wasn't the kid couldn't go to sleep until all my homework was done now guy. Everything has to be done before i go to bed and then i have to have a bunch of stuff done before you even walk in the door here because if i don't i feel way behind so i gotta lay in bed for like an hour and respond to emails and like i got a clear the board to walk in here. I if i had been disciplined as a kid. I probably would have gone to harvard. I s. i would've would've been bennett on the bachelorette which we started talking about this morning but it to be completely honest i did for some reason. You guys can fill me in watching a mental all apart. Because they're just such bitches. He went hard. He went hard and they were yelling at each other. And that guy with the with the mustache. It's just a little wimp and like wait. They're all bad beard going. They got kicked off like came back for like last night. I didn't have air conditioning in the room. Either all sweating this claire back to or yell at tayshia. You want to hear my prediction by the way claire in and dale my prediction. I don't know this. Obviously because it's real time now they're not gonna work out and she can wind up with the bearded guy or the blake guy. She gonna wind up with one of the rejects beard. Oh the biggest beard guy got kicked off last night with the with chin beard. Yeah blake blake. Made the clay weiner think so and then there's the guy shouldn't like right down his deepest darkest secrets and then burn the nfl player loss. On that way yes kaelin. You would've loved it last night because they talked to like a crystal experts crystal reverse cowgirl and teach other sky crystals because those are for sexy time had a red one and a reds one red blinking. red ones the matrix rentals and blue crystal. You may only me. I'm gonna watch today. I wasn't feeling their bs last night. The second part of it is just. I don't know i can't deal with them Anyway shelly on at noon. What do you have coming up today. I'm thinking of talking about the origins of chanuka. What he thinks gases. I do ask laughing. When i first saw that video. What is unlike no. There's no way that he's all god is and that's what happened. Crazy nights of sound Let's not even smoking hookah song trade and not know about contact son. Jeff told me that used to live in detroit across the street from me and beautiful and they want me to wish you. Happy nica is nuclear. George lucas. four times. Four times he went on it. You don't know what it is if you don't know what it is anyway. The best part is like he had to like read over. Be like chanuka me. Sheriff saying this new car real quick search winter revealed what he what he should have said. But i'm really glad he didn't Shelly we'll soon have a great day. Okay i hope you enjoyed shinyuka. This year Twenty four k golden. Good news stories next the fred. Show her the. Fred show is on one zero. Three five kiss up comes feels good. Good use positive stories. We every day on the show in which she got. Yeah so well. Smith season two of his snapchat series. Which i did not know about will from home from your yesterday for at the season two premiere. Well broader along jason derulo to shock fourteen year old aiden who was diagnosed with cancer. In april aden's father chuck goes with him to weekly chemo treatments to. Kobe usually stands outside the room and dances to make him laugh. I feel like we have done that story. So derulo taught Shock and eight. New dance moves then. Big surprise will had chuck and eight and a box that was delivered to them and it was a. Ps spy you. Okay so cool. Yeah i mean you know he's deserve. That's what i'm saying. You have got a ps five. It is awesome though is something he and his dad can do together. Because he's a warrior fighting cancern at ten k. donation was also made to cook children's medical center. Where he's receiving chemo for cancer. That's awesome that's so cool. Sounds pretty deserving could afford these chapelle shows when rico's and he plays the kid in video games and the kid can make a wish for dave dicamba and like just keeps beating him. And it's like do you don't mean i'm the guy that's a bit ahead of the curve and with the holidays coming fast. 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Fm radio station Everybody tuesday december fifteenth. Fred shows high. Paulina good morning owner. Boehner deals in the other room waiting by the phone. I know second date for this couple. We'll get to next the entertainment report after this. Very famous artist and icon sad. That fan tried to kill her. Well i guess you probably shouldn't say fan. A man tried to kill her and to her real fans saved her life. I'll tell you this wile tease masterclass thing. I noticed that. I can't wait to hear. These stories are enough money. Why were you left waiting by the phone alexa. How are you doing well. good morning. Welcome to waiting by the phone. Tell us about your date with chris. all about it's where you guys stand now everything on a dating up and we talked for policy weak and then we ended up going out for dinner and drinks and we had a really good time and i mean i saw. He felt the same because he was texting me law And then just one day. He'd completely like stop texting me like it was like check back and forth like pretty much right away but then like there's a couple of hours of between the few vendors nothing and i just i don't know what happened and he's not responding to me so i'm hoping you can help me out okay. So he's got him frustrating and you want to know what's going on so we'll call him. You'll be on the phone. I don't want anything right at first but at some point definitely jumping on the call and hopefully we can figure out what's going on and said she base up on another day to we'll pay for everything okay. Can i hang on for second. Let's find out what's going on next after. Post vallone on the fred show. What are three five plus own three five kiss. Fm chicago's number one hit music station. It's the fred show alexa welcome back. Let's go chris guys app. I didn't talk for a while. went on this date. You thought really well. And now the communications simpson. His trickled off. And there's nothing goes to do you want to know why we're gonna call him now. Good luck hi chris. Hey chris fred calling from the morning radio show on kiss. Fm star. bother you. But i have to tell you before we go any further that we are on the radio. And i would need your permission to continue with the calls. It okay if we keep going Sure thank you. i'll hear about alexa girl. He met on a dating app and went on a day with not too long ago. Do you remember alexa. Yeah i remember her okay perfect because she reached out to us and told us that she'd met you in likes you and the other day when well and she hasn't heard from usa sedate and she was kind of curious. Why and if we could find out what's going on okay. Yeah so we went out one time Honestly pretty good time whether then after the date and then we'll social stocking you know like you do checking out the facebook name or whatever and and i stumbled across Her interest page and also kind of roaming through that and found. She had an entire board dedicated her wedding ingle yet. But lots of single girls still do. It's like You know scrapbook or like a vision board or something. I just creeped me out startled. But i would kind of be like you're yeah you're years away from being married for the same reason you would look at it through a bridal magazine just to like look addresses because you like wedding dresses and their prettier. This is public for everyone to see right. Everyone sees it. Feels like a little bit of like an expectation. If you're seeing this girl with you what. I think most people when they go out the expectation is eventually they'll get married to be together forever for a long time or something like that. So i don't know if that's unfair but It sounds like a pretty common thing. I like that alexis here by the way What word girl has stuff like that. We wouldn't magazines or watching. You know one of those shows on tv or they go shopping. It's just not fine engaged. Might come across something on the internet. Where you think. Oh that would be cute to have at my wedding one day so you pin it you know so you don't forget what it was or you can reference it it'll take you said they give a surprise at girls. Think about weddings but public process enough for you. Wanna go on a second day whether i mean what is your ambition. Is your ambition just to date forever. I mean i guess it's that the wedding thing isn't that farfetched to me. I don't. I don't know you've never met a girl. You gonna one day outside of that and then you know her main interesting. I mean her. That board had the most pins on phillix. You spend all her time. You know thinking about this wedding sometimes people just because it's a time waster and it's something to do we. She's obsessed with pinterest anyway by the way i have. I have a pinterest account. So i can look at other people's pitches to count for gift ideas. I do have that which is smart actor. Yeah i think it's a great place. You know to look at things. But i i. Just you know creeped me out. I don't know all right so you say it's kind of a weird reason you're otherwise you can't get over the you know the aggressive Pinterest wedding pins and go on a second day where they're at least see if you you know since you had a good time with the first one no it was too much for me to mile. Okay well there you have it alexa. Yeah i like it's an excuse. I mean it seems so ridiculous that it seems like it. I don't care anymore. it's what it is then by. No chris answering thanks for your time alexa. Best of luck to you. All right entertain report next after surf may sell what. Oh three five Five kiss up elitists. Entertainment news is on the fred. Shown it's brought to you by lurie children's hospital so it was share in my tease. So i guess some guy. She was performing on broadway. Some guy was at the back entrance told her that he wanted to shake your hand. She shook his hand putting saturn pushing her down the alley and said he was gonna kill her crazy so there was no one around but then to fans of hers turned the corner and saved her life. She says that those fans later became her friends. So i need to do is save taylor swift and then we'll be. Yes even twin taylor a lot or you taylor stuff taking taylor. I don't think i'm on the on the like what is it called. When you're on twitter and follow like a thread guate-. I don't know i don't know if she will ever see that but i just got save her life and then she'll notice me number just give it to you. It's been holding damn big girl. Without the worse little girl average average girl really got a lot of ways. I just went skinny girl. Hey hey little girl. I'll just call you skinny girl from john. Look we just had that sexual harassment training the other day. I'm afraid honestly so. They make us watch this this. They don't make good idea. You know. I understand like and they're doing it to cover their ass. The company with the watches to training about what we you know how we can can act in the office. And i watched it last night. You guys have done it. Previously and now. I'm afraid to speak to anyone. Like i'm i'm afraid that anything i say could be. I mean like relate to any of those scenarios that were bad though. I don't know come around the corner asking me if i like my shift and wanna keep it. You want to keep your ship. Yeah 'cause i gotta go pick my daughter. I got to take this training. This scenarios with actors and they're showing and it's very uncomfortable to watch so cringe and i understand. They want us to see stuff. I mean everybody needs to see the way that you can. I can act any office. I understand that but it's forty minutes a very bad acting and very very uncomfortable scenarios. You have to watch because around the corner you like either in a warehouse they touches. Her elbow is like do you like your shift. And he's like she's like yeah like multi want to keep it funny but Happens in my house like inappropriate there was one with the boss who was trying to get the girl to go out to dinner with him after work. And imagine being in an actually. That's why i'm saying. I understand why this training exists but like they found the creepiest guys to be the typecasting because the guys were like super creepy. That we're doing this. Oh god jeff so. I'm afraid to call you big girl little girl girl girls from any of those you and we'll be all right. Just keep your eyes. Let's keep i shift. And i'll just go on like we're going to be okay. So jeff bridges revealed a newly shaved had in his latest health update. He wrote feeling good shave. My head got a puppy. Monty had a birthday. Seventy one man always like meet his tweets in his voice He told us back in october that he had been diagnosed with lymphoma also shared a link to no kid. Hungry seeing the health of our children can serve as a compass letting us know if we're on course or not are off course so he gave us an update and also you know plugged charity which is very Racially cook man. The star of one thousand nine hundred ninety nine. She's all that you guys think. I look like her. I don't look for you. i don't know. She joined the remake all that cook. Now dear god why she will. She'll addison rae. Mother feel old. Now we do you. Oh he's pretty. The daughters so anderson raised pretty one. And then there's gonna make what is. Is it going to be pretty prints juniors old enough that. I can't remember when i saw that movie watch. I watch it all so good when i get real union. Look him random cameos. But yeah so i almost said well. What else is she doing. But she was in netflix Love guaranteed which was the number one most watch film of netflix in september. So i guess she didn't need to do the movie she just. I don't know. I mean if you're going to remake the movie someone from the cat like someone has to be in it. You know. I feel like you have to cosign this year. Really quick Guardians of the galaxy star star lord. Because that he's bisexual. I don't know who that is by. Oh okay yeah he Chris pratt plays star. Lord and i guess the character is by and They say that he was by the comic book. I don't know. I don't know that we knew that. But they also won't say if the preferences will be shown in the film. But it's a start i guess. So they're coming out and saying i don't know it's a start. Hopefully they do show you know his love story in the next come so i didn't know that who he played so he plays star award his. Yeah that's god that sounds nerdy. Peter quill but his His name is start. Lord he goes. It's it's it's an ongoing joke. Because nobody knows who star lord his. And that's i stand by star. Lord books as much as i thought i did. I don't know i feel great franchise. It's a great movie. I've tried so hard to look at. I desperately wanna like comic books and video games for that matter. The comments but i mean i enjoy all the marvel movies all the dc movies. I don't read anything. The comics just you know so i. It's kind of like how you say. Fred like you read and then you watch the movie and it's just like oh there's a lot missing from the move from the movie that there was a book so often find. The book is better than for me. Like i don't have that. I don't have that t number like oh man. They took out a whole chapter of this book and the movie responded to the movies. Fine with me. So i'm fine with the way the movie is You don't know the difference so you really can't say well that's why don't you can't say one way or the other because you don't bother to read that's why because reading is good Mortar check online today. Katy perry changed. look again. Paulina says the hot. Katie is back also Obama is an eminem fan who knew and so Gave them a little shout out. That's on fresh show. Radio dot com for christmas kaelin Maybe you should talk to someone and you open it. And you're like really. Don't know the book i've been talking about late. Therapist lady routed about her experience as a therapist. Yes as soon as i'm done with a punishable face by calling joost it will read. Maybe you should talk to someone. But i can tell you do need to talk to someone. That's the point of the book. Okay no the book is no no the next book i bought you which is definitely go. Talk to someone. That was the message but no this is not. It's about a it's written by a therapist about being therapist that stories about people who went to therapy and then her own staff. 'cause you're if you go to therapy then and you've heard us talk about it because we go You've heard us talk about wanting to know like at some point after years of telling this personnel. Your stuff it's like well amir your stuff. This is unfair. This only goes one way. I want to hear what you're up to. I love that. I can give to people after i read them to. And so i'm gonna give that to my mom. Who's the therapist. So i think that will be good. Also my friend has two therapists. Should i be doing that really. Yes isn't a psychiatrist and a psychologist. Oh no she has well. She has a trauma therapist. Which i definitely have my fair share. And then she's a regular therapist. So do i need specifically to. I mean i'm like now. I'm thinking like god. I gotta get a whole team of therapies. Police therapist therapist. Yeah i need to know if i need like. How do you afford all this. I live at home. Squeeze try it. Let me say something own arabic. You'd really be big guy cooking at home. I would be balling so hard if i were paying mortgage no. My thing is obviously therapy. So my therapist works with me on a sliding scale highly recommended to look into it for those who because it is pricey and they have no therapists. I only see like once every two months because it literally is that. It's just like a session and so hard not only does multiple therapists. I mean this is while my add a team people. Antioch team deal making moves Move the bags around was on last night Tayshia got rid of the blake guy. You think blake saw you joy. I love sorry about that story. Oh man late last night a story. We both sauri interesting. I can say four eastern european like french-canadian. Maybe very nice story station. She doesn't have feelings for sorry addition and more confidence situation. I says relationships so she sends him home. Sends this other dude home. Riley guy said. I think riley was the guys you. I really hit his turtleneck isn't he. Yeah he's a boy eh fake name like he chose. He's from detroit new york and he tried to argue with her about him to be kind of tried to be like well. Why why reminding mean invite you to just get away get away. Just just say thank you leave in a limo until you give them. Some of this is in front of her though. Tried to reason with her. And it's like you're done you're right now in the limo. Suv drive right drive in circles until you start cry torture They just keep prying into. They're doing they make you see like I know some shows do it like Gordon ramsey's cooking shows like the four like hell's kitchen. You get braided all the time. So before you leave. You have to see a therapy to talk to somebody interview. I don't know. I mean you're on you're on this show and then heartbroken and your mental state might not be good along neal lane. They should also have a therapist that they work when And a doctor medical doctor on a lot of things Pants sure that. I'm sure there is one sort of some physician to get an se. Check before you go on. Show good mental health. Like i told you about. But i'm saying leaving the show like you wanna make sure. I'm harvard bennett. He came back spoiler alert for no reason because she got rid of him again but he explained to all the guys back started with this really strange bizarre. Walk out of here. I had a really emotional time ultimately come to the conclusion that i was going to be written off as this. You know harvard d. bag. That that i certainly am not. I felt like there was a lot of unfinished business. Least so Went to see tayshia and told her. I loved her and now the following day i received a note saying that my my words meant to lock and she liked to see me at the rose ceremony where she proceeded to send them home from last week because he was coming he got no but then he came back and then he explained to the guy because he got ticked off then he walks in the room with all guys that either less. Go really tough doing here. So he has to explain to them why he's back and then it didn't matter because he got kicked off Kicked him off twice back again. The whole follow up. Did you see cler- clergy not. Come on with. Joseph was there. You'll say neal was the guy who was mean to clare. Even though he said he was very mean in his approach but most of what he said was true. Yeah and he could have said differently but nonetheless here is a yosef. Not being willing to apologize declare. I rarely do this. I to try to help you help yourself. I've seen a lot of crazy stuff twenty years. But hey it's fred. I'm here to tell you how to be the guy. Sure to get the exclusive invite to the social bubble this holiday season press with the best uncommon crafts spirits from spirit hub. Delivered to your door see stories behind. The distilleries inspired recipes at of course. Great spirits on spirit. Hub dot com spirit hub uncommon craft delivered please enjoy responsibly fisher house. If i had a chance to talk to the fisher family. I would start crying. Because i can't articulate how much it meant to us. 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I don't like her guy who is trying to make the coup like whatever the volt against players kenny. Kenny who is he should have spoken her that way. There's no doubt about that But you know he. I think he would have gotten the same response from her if he had said those things to her even though she deserved to hear them He just sort of said the should have said them differently. And then i think that would have been a pretty easy opportunity to say right there. Hey i shouldn't spoken to her that way. My bad on that but by the way. I meant everything i said. Yeah that probably would have gone over okay. But she wasn't there like it's not like he was confronting her. Yeah she's busy trying to get pregnant by dale trying to yes she said. Oh my gosh. I'm totally on the pill and then you know. Take the entire month. Tst new story alert not new story. Just like sal. He saw he saw something. Dated before. Where you know the i'm like. Hello oh there's a few less ladies need to consider. Now you d i take. I take a different medicine all the time. I don't know i don't know. Would you take the male pill absolutely one hundred percent. I would okay. What about you. People forget or whatever. But if you forget and i like that's that's the burden of a woman. There isn't a male alternative there is. It's a condom. But i'm saying as far as the only if you make a joint decision in a relationship that that's the contraception. You're going to use them. That's on you. And that's that's a burden and i get that but if that's the choice that you either take it or you don't and if you don't if you miss it or you don't or you're not you're way behind than you gotta be like. Raise your hand and say hey way behind we gotta do something else here as opposed to. Psa antibiotics make it not effective. Sorta something else. I saw this week to repeat fever. Be respond that affects birth control. You can't yeah. It's bad idea trending stories. What oh three five surprise anybody but there's a vaccine scam already number of colored vaccine scams already I got that and the most hated cities in the country in. What's trending in and more nuts. I i watched. The masterpiece feels radio masterclass. And that's why the tease was so good. Did you work before you met him. Last twenty years. Before i met him were absolutely worthless was only i met him. Things are you're just wheeling and dealing out here blooming even rubio's going to even the man who taught me how to tease going to hang around to see the conclusion of. Yeah thank you so much. You're okay. I made the professor. I made a brown We'll do it next. Fred show stuff on one three five kiss. Fm is what's trending because of my incredible tease. Everybody's still hanging around. Yeah i mean i'm excited. Everybody in the room listening. You guys the people who are paid to be here. You guys still hung around. I'll you don't want to keep leaning girl. It's been a little bit. that'd be great. Sure a lot of companies have to do this. You know this is various training for legal reasons or whatever in this one about the harassment. Again a lot of people probably see it like you know. Yeah i get it but it just the the presentation as They had they played out these scenarios on the train made us do and it was just. The acting was just really bad and the scenes understandably were very uncomfortable to watch made worse by the creepy as actors weird to do it like this like at this time because there's no it's like bella. They're doing it because at the end you know you click a bunch of boxes and you except like if anything ever happens you can't come back and say we didn't learn. Any of this runs working from home is is it yes. I don't know you j. Keeping their pants on zooms wearing pants in this call more than once how business we've heard about people you know one guy was jeffrey toobin guy the guy wrote for the new yorker or whatever. He didn't have a job anymore because apparently couldn't keep his pants on himself. A mean good lord The first dose of covid nineteen lancet. Say that the first dose of covid nineteen vaccine been administered in the us. The first person inoculated in new. York is an icu. Nurse at long island jewish medical center. She said i feel hopeful today. Relieved healthcare workers around the nation are also getting the shots they gain yesterday. Health experts say that will be months before the vaccine will be widespread enough to make a noticeable dent in the spread of the virus So the question is do you need a covid. Nineteen vaccine if you've already had the virus kaelin sa- question The answer is clear. But i didn't feel good after reading the article and like do i don't a lot of other things. Most experts say. Yes the chief medical officer at web. Md source i use for all medical needs says i have had brain cancer and herbie's and god and that i need my leg amputated says all of those things For various reasons we do not know that we do know that people who have had covert will will have immunity for a period of months to years ram. We just don't know how long right so it could. Last couple of years. It might not experts believe that immunity from the vaccine may be stronger than getting covert and recovering so basically at some point. It's possible you could get it again. So that gives vaccine. I guess he's a right as a safeguard. The better business bureau is warning of scammers trying to make money on the cove nineteen vaccine which i read some like what of course they are the agency says you may receive a phone call text message email or even someone knocking at your door claiming to get you on an early list to get the vaccine. The scammers may promise you a covert nineteen vaccine for a fee or ask you to share your credit card or social But the ftc the federal trade commission says that you likely will not pay for the vaccine out of pocket during the public health emergencies. Don't give your card number. Like i'm dr fauci and i of the vaccine. You know i'll give you the way that he had corona virus. So he can. He can the immunity. Dial in your. Dr he's not he's a family man. I understand and he's not worn here. Warn year Elders in your. It's the people that don't know better President elect joe biden's electoral college. Win was made official yesterday biden past two hundred and seventy vote threshold needed to become president just before five thirty with california's votes pushing him over the top. He ended up with three hundred six president trump to thirty to the same count. The trump beat hillary with four years. Ago i guess the other way round of course And yet. I don't think it's over somehow supposedly. He's we're still doing this again. I tweeted about it yesterday. You know just like hey be down with us. It's not a a an and no one came after me but it's not a political statement is whatever side you're on or moving forward like iriarte people ask the opposing side to move on. You know like just move. So i i'm just as as a guy who's fairly moderate and but really you know I'm just like come on. I try i try and especially in the media you know i just try and kind of stay in the middle and polarizing with the politics. Nobody comes here for that. But all i'm saying is it's over it's over. It's officially over. Maybe you maybe. Somebody's i don't know of anybody rod but whatever it's over it happened it's also the doesn't seem that way but whatever. It's also time to hope that our president does the best he can do. Because wishing that whoever the president is obviously biden now does bad job is not what you want for the country. You know we we did this. We debated s. We went to court over this like. I don't know if you're if you're a trumper. I guess it sucks but here we are. Let's like figure this out so we can get together and get these people that get the big everyone vaccinated or whatever so we can get back to like the the two sides come together. Get a stimulus package for the people man. 'cause it's it's it really is just flat out their own. We're all this and we all want to go back to You know having gatherings and in bars lives and lives and concerts on these name anymore. Cheers hello lou. I'm saying whenever ends vaccinated arm and there's nobody in there that that was nice. That was empty and i wanted to and i also learned. I learned that on rubio's masterclass to paint a picture win win. We're broadcasting to the folks paint. A picture in their heads is over. going for. That picture was an empty boss bar now. Of course it usually is at four. Pm when i go ten years ago fifteen years ago ten years ago it would have been i would four am right but you know things i get back to his boozy brunch and his early boss bar and straight tobacco Thanksgiving a recent study among america's most hated city. You wanna hear it. The most hated city the way most hated city in america. Number one in detroit michigan of skinny girl kaelin fan. I mean i don't understand. We're trying biggest baltimore. Los angeles saint louis new york philadelphia. Colorado springs riverside california and miami florida. Why they got the top ten at least hated in case. You're wondering minneapolis. Fort worth and saint. Paul okay so all the funds states were in the hate it. Yeah i love. Vegas vegas yeah. I don't even know what that's another one you know wants to go to las vegas. Say they can't do it. Can't i'm not going to las vegas year two years for sure but i feel like i don't know why we hate having fun places. Jealous hustle saint paul and saint paul exact. I can help you in minnesota. By the way they only ask people. Minnesota minneapolis saint paul right and saint paul to me. What's happening here is National cut cake day and national. Wear your pearls today as well. It didn't read. Show talk better than they type. These are the radio blogs on the friendship. I two audio journals. We do every day on the show. Paulina wants to deal block today. All right falling what you got sierra. Thank you thank you dear blog. I feel like we can all relate to this when it comes to our parents because my mom and i were nothing. I'd i on something here. And i think it's really interesting because she's done this before but basically what i'm doing right now is. I'm calling light search. Because i'm not trying to tomorrow but i'm kind of condo searching kind of seeing what's out there i mean i don't work in real estate so i don't know what the market looks like. If it's hot if it's not. But i just felt i waited the location for an hour and a half of my way to drive people around from place to place own selling. You could probably sell anything. But i also yeah there'd be some professionalism issues perhaps condo. No no go around the back door. Like i know people can do on the dell. Yeah we don't need like deeds and just move right perfect bedroom martinez that would see your light searching light searching for a better term. But i'm just looking like on the apps. But i have actually physically seen a couple of them i do have a budget is very low But i also wanna stay like in my neighborhood. Where i grew up i midway. I'm looking like midway airport so like there's different sites to. I'm looking literally at every neighborhood around midway. My mom obviously bought the house that we live in. I don't know like nine hundred ninety nine or something attend the so. Call me crazy. But i think the market has changed since nine hundred way we get loans and all of that has changed. Plus she was married had two kids. I feel like we're kind of going into it or we go into differently. She was looking for a house. I'm looking for a condo. i'm not married. i don't have kids like it's just different. So i think she wants to give her input in her advice. Which is great. I want to do that but my mom used understand like. I'm learning to and the reason that i give her israel because i'm learning it from my realtor and my lender all these people but she thinks she knows it all and i love her disagreeing on like what is it that she doesn't agree overprice and i'm like this condo is overpriced in your is like like she's like well i wouldn't have paid less and i'm thinking like yeah in nineteen ninety. Nine hundred like doesn't get that and you know kinda like says it's too late with the loans and everything like i'm learning how that's working on. A house definitely know how that works with the whole her thing. She's very traditional twenty percent down. And i'm learning. You don't need that granted. There's different approaches to that because he got like pay an extra insurance. Yeah so like. I rather just go in with not twenty percents. But i know that it'd be better for me in the long run but like who has that. I'm going so. I don't know i'm just thinking about it. She is wants to be involved. Oh and then. She doesn't like i'm not gonna say what street doesn't like a certain street by us and i'm like it's not bad there it's like there could be some shady parts. Yes but it's not a bad area. My best friend lives right there so looking out for you though. She means well but you know she's old. School is what you're saying. Oh and and fred you said you bought your house or i at twenty six right. You said that before like where your parents involved in that. They helped me with the down payment. I paid them back. Yeah that's not a bad idea. But i mean they help you like as far as or stay here or don't wasn't it It was an austin. Yeah yeah no and that was always the deal with my parents is that i had to come up with some of the down payment. They would have the rest. And then i had to pay them back and so again it was less money i had to pay interest on. I just paid the back of his But yet no. I asked them for help. Though because i didn't i didn't know anything about it. A lot of stuff came up. But but my mom didn't question or or neighborhoods or whatever. She just kind of went with whatever the realtor said and then and looked at those options. But yeah i mean there were certain ones that they didn't like as much and this isn't as good and maybe look at something like this. I did what does she just doesn't want you to leave. Okay here's the thing. So she says you. She's like i think it's time and she did tell me vats on feel better having sexually boyfriend of the basics. She's finding a problem with everything you know. She would be like. Oh great of. Yeah you should get that show. I just feel like deep inside. Doesn't want me to leave. Yeah of course because my sister lives in detroit now like by detroit house you guys here. This from the most hated city in the country. Love my family so much. But i feel like they look at my sister who go to like an ivy league all these things right. I felt he look at her as the older sister and like what she does. Okay she can live with her boyfriend she can do this and that but pollyanna looking at condos. Oh boy you go you know. That's it like banned house for mom. So i'm sure i'm sure it's mixed but you know what she probably go celtics. You're going to get herself fat condo with a view in the loop and she'll be balling out martin going to be out here. Hey mom can. I come over. She's gonna be like not tonight. We'll paulina your your mom's fun buddy. Like her sister's the one who organizes things you know lays down the law and you and your mom or like little buddies and you have fun together and that's probably why she doesn't want you to leave. You got your in this relationship and you know. I don't know down the road other things will happen. I'm sure you can't do all that stuff in your mom's house so she know totally. But i was looking before and i talked about this. Maybe last year. I was looking before like the whole boyfriend thing anyway. Because i'm twenty eight right. My goal was always thirty. And then i was like you know what twenty nine sounds really nice too so i was like thinking condo of your own. Yeah thirty right okay. Plays build some equity out of your credit. Go to accomplish minutes. It's a big deal. It's good for living at home on purpose to save got like i know. I could've got an apartment here. And i've had an apartment when i moved back from l. a. when i was twenty four but i said i wanna live at home. Help my mom's and save up some money go. But i just wish she kinda like trusted me more a little bit. Just let me let me teach you mama. It's not literacy trusts. You is just your child. So she's always going to have reservations about stuff. You're gonna do you know. I think it's true that people remember I don't know like my. I went to the same college as my mom. And she used to walk around. Stanley's yeah we both wentz. Smu and and we. She walked around telling stories or or reference. Something to me about how it was when she went twenty years. Twenty years before me. And it's like well it's not no it's totally different now like it's so and so isn't like this place doesn't exist and that places like that and whatever and it's like you know. I think the people trying to help. But they got to realize things evolved in their different now change and and you kinda have to accept that but that now imagine how long she would be like. Oh you can't go to new orleans. It's a dangerous city. I was there for the super bowl like years. I'm like six. I live in detroit man. The most dangerous city in america says she was always telling me about taking the cable car. I'm like me and i love. There's no cable car anymore. Like it's all so different. But they try they try to help your mom against you getting a condo or she wants to get a house like a single family home or the house next door. There's actually a house for sale across the street telling her that nobody tell her personally. I'll be very honest. I want a house. Because i feel like i mean i want the yard space But okay single. Paulina can afford it. The longest you'll be doing all people queen with the hostile online therapists inskeep therapists. You can have a six bedroom house on several times a week. Money left howard hughes over here. Hey we'll see we'll see idea big long beard. Lots of money didn't end well for him. Whatever reid wasn't much of a sales echo your house. Bill colo Well pauline. i'm happy for you. The big big moves a lot of things happen for you. Lot of things happening here in twenty twenty for you. I'm terrified of twenty twenty one land. Why why you team up for success. How do you want more this year. I mean they're good things happening for sure and and you know. I'm grateful that we're all still here and able to do all of this together so there are good things coming. I feel but i'm nervous. This is new territory for me. It's very nerve racking up growing up man. My kids are just growing up right right in front of my eyes closed. The wrong direction.