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Friendship is proud to be part of the Chicago podcast cooperative. This episode is sponsored by cards against humanity. Who asked us not to read an ad enjoy the show, I'm Jen. And I'm train. This is friendship paying and the theme this week is no what I don't fucking know tweet, humans has many. That sometimes there is drama and what call it quits. Don't right es. Diese tweets or punch the meditates. The. Jen. Hello tren. Jen. I have clump out of my misery. You made it out of your whole time out in the sun is shining. And the birds are singing a blue bird a light on my shoulder. The squirrels are chitter in your governing birds right now, it's great woodland creatures. Yeah. No. I finally feel better which is great. And I love it. You said to me earlier, which was to be more specific say a lot of things you said something wonderful earlier, which is like I was like, oh, yeah. Filing Klum, really left. Clump. Like a two. They clump out of my depression whole. And you were like remember what this feels like? So the next thing that you're depressed. You can remember. It's not forever. Yeah. That's definitely a case of you do this because I can't. Oh, yeah. Saying I wasn't feeling well a couple of weeks ago either. And it feels like I'll never be happy. Again. It's like a dementia is just hovering around as they you feel better than you're like oh shit. It's kind of like, you know, mental illness. It's a lot like physical illness. You know on. You're sick with the stomach flu. You're like this is the rest of my life. I can throw up not imagine ever eating food again here. We are. We cannot imagine ever being cheerful again. But here we are. Yeah. Relatively cheerful. I'm cheerful. Af might even say all the young people on my team use af allot who are you what the youths the use. I'm always worried. So this is kind of on topic because we've got some questions about one question about the internet. Yes, I wonder so I you know, I am pushing forty eight yes years. You're eight decades fifty is on there. And I spent a lot of time on tumbler as we all know. And I am genuinely a little bit worried that I talk a little too young because I'm on tumbler. And I'm sure we both do like I'm worried that I'm gonna meet a fellow fellow sixty seven year olds. And they'll be like little we'll listen on LOL old golden oldies on the radio, and I'll be like hell. Our brains are broken regains are. I'm worried I'm going to start a conversation by going thread or something. Right. Like, we're to read us fuck for probably two online for. We'll hear like what's love years old. Yeah. So my thirteenth birthday is in June. Yeah. So you're fine. Yeah. Doing great. Do we want a banter more or should we just question wanna banter more? I know I feel good. Oh, I Jin what I have a bag of moss. And no one will take it off my hands. You do. There is a bag of moss sitting on the table. I'm going to pick it up. What's do some AMR with it? Can I touch it do? Yeah. Please touch. My moss. Here's trans Maas. Sounds. Let's kind of sounds comforting. I'm doing I'm doing air. Some this is what they do your face looks. So she's got this release. This new. I'm doing. Moss field. Mosque relieve. Eventually, I still have never watched or heard an ASMAR video. But we make fun of it all the time. And I have not no I make fun of it lovingly. 'cause I listen I them like every day. Oh, I listened to rain sounds every day. It's kind of the same principle. I think. Yeah. But like this time this time, but like ASMAR's like human base, so someone like they'll be a beautiful blonde woman like tapping your fingers or something and be like the new listen to her fingers. It's not the first is so weird. It's not the first time. I would really love a beautiful blonde woman to tap me. You know, it's fine. I did not do a great job of normalizing some more. Did I know I made it sound somehow leader man people walk by people walk by Mike. Peter screen at work. I never looking at something that's truly offensive. But I definitely looked up. Some weird stuff at work. Don't care. Don't explain I've ever listened to ask them are my headphones. I slammed my laptop closed because I don't want to explain like what the fuck. Are you doing who is that person? You're just that's just on your screen. Jen year lake literally the second in command in this. Tire building. So I truly don't think that you could have anything on your computer that doesn't include nudity. That would get you in trouble. Make anyone feel weird. I you know, what I really appreciate that. But AS mar is not that weird. And if somebody saw beautiful blonde woman on your on your laptop like, just like crumpling Akron. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they'd get it. I think they'd get. Oh, I'm just listening to crumpled paper sounds. It's all good. I love it. Anyway, if anybody wants a moss, that's actually ten ninety nine. I got ten ninety nine worth of moss. Excuse me. No nine ninety nine worth of Mars from guest seventy garden center. It's the place. So I steal things from Home Depot. But I pay for things semi. I will I didn't know you were a little thief. Oh, you didn't notice you steal from Home Depot. Holy shit. Jen, Ivan, stealing from Home Depot doing everything. Oh, let's talk about how my Florida. Talked about my I mean. You say everyone should steal from Home Depot. But I didn't know litter literally steal homedepot all of the time. I this is incredible. So let me talk about this. Okay. So like, don't we're probably going to have some angry emails. That's fine. Like, I you know, what you know, what bring him on Email me angrily tweeted me to line. Home depot. Literally. I don't care because the Home Depot is IPE is a little bit evil. So Home Depot has been. So, you know, those weird billboards that went up about AFC in broke. Yes. Oh, yes. Home Depot funded those. Yes. So like, Home Depot, a Gibbs like enormous contributions to like weird conservative movements. Like, so if you're not familiar Alexandria. A Costco, Cortez is a congresswoman from Brooklyn, and she's a socialist. And she's great. I mean, she's been speaking truth to power, and I'm sure that everybody here has one feeling about her and other, but I support her views and Home Depot and other conservative like, you know, businesses funded these gigantic billboards in Brooklyn being like. AO sees tweets are bad. Hey, saw your tweet, which by the way, all they served is to make her look, even cooler. It's very failure. It's extremely cool. So your tweet. So we bought a billboard about it. It's very stupid and a huge waste of money. So I I did a little research and don't think this. Did you go on how to steal things tumbler? No, okay. Because there's a whole community of stealing is very easy to steal from Home Depot. Let me explain by. I hit even I'm so excited. So I've been stealing from Home Depot for weeks and weeks and weeks, and what I do is go to the plant section, and I take a clipping of one of their plants every time, I go mobiles. I at least do one place snip snip, para scissors. Yeah. Yeah. Well, no, I use my fingers because it's on it. Yeah. And I put it in my pocket, and I go home, and I have maybe twelve different plants that are made out of clippings. I've stolen from Home Depot. Awesome. And I always plant them in actual garb. Wjr because I want to spend as little money my plans as I can because you have to buy potting soda soil. I don't know how to make it. So I've got like this this peanut butter jar that I drilled holes in the bottom, and I melted the top. So it like looks nice like an actual pot. Just homedepot cuttings I still so what you do is you take home and cuttings you dip them in cinnamon or routing powder. And in my experience, they work equally as well. Put them right in the in the soil put some Saran wrap on it. You know, water at leave it for few weeks, and it'll start growing. And so I don't buy pro Home Depot because the terrible people in. But I do buy them from guess somebody. Nice. Yeah. That's very different situation. Right. And I always sorry guys. This is so stupid because I have all these rules for my stealing from Home Depot. I would expect nothing less though, is like I never steal anything that I would have bought someplace else. So like, I'll usually steal things like ivy's in poses. So these are poisonous plants that they wouldn't keep I would give them away because I have cats, you know, so I have like a bunch of wholesome. I'm just so delighted I hope this. I hope that you start to get like like the hunger for stealing. I do. And we'll already I love crime. Yeah. Fishawy agenda. Like, I totally understand. Why people who don't need to turn to a life of crime turned to a life of crime? I feel and you're going to start stealing like shovels and patio furniture for a long. Absolutely. I will I will not stop until I'm caught. Like one hundred percent. And like, okay, listen, if you are caught just go to different Home Depot. I can't even and that's what I do. I bay. I've got five home depot's that I've hit up so far. I am. So this I cannot tell you how this is like delighting me. I just like I it's so silly. Because man with a plan it's so completely harmless because like I go to like so poses and try to sky and shows like big bushy plants like that when you take a clipping from them. So not only is it completely like, no one will ever know. But also when you clip the plant, then it'll start Vining from that point. So the plant becomes fuller, anyway, you're helping everyone so I'm technically not even really doing anything all that went vigil anti and I don't want to hear any criticism. So Jen, if anybody emails you unless they have something really fucking valid point. I only hear that seems fair. I just I just don't so everyone who's typing their emails right now. Ask yourself do. I have a valid point. Yeah. And then you probably don't. And then ask yourself do. I want do I really want the friendship is to put in this amount of time. Jen reads by Email thinks about it do I really want to send this over to trend, then she wants the whole the whole Email. You know, she will take clips, and she'll text it to me. She didn't want me to be a clipping. Right. If you will. And then she'll plant it in my mind, and he will route. And I will think do I want to change my ways, and then I'll say, no. And then and then I'll take a couple of days to craft an Email back to you. This is so much time that we could have spent podcasting for you or stealing or stealing more plants. Speaking of stealing. You may think to yourself. What would I take a clipping from Home Depot? Now. What? Now, what do I do? Well, you put it in soil much like these to ask here's who have taken the first step in their journey and friendship. But don't know what the next step is Jen if you read the first question it would honor me to the core. Okay. I it's great to know that people are going to take advice from thieves now, the, well, we are you are you an aspiring fees firing now. Awesome. I literally take you to Home Depot after this. I just I just think I I go giggly got Home Depot makes me giddy. Like a good way. It just makes me overwhelm the shelves or to tall went bless time. I was there to to get plans. A mouse by my foot down and screened happiness. Okay. I'm gonna read the question though. I have one more thing, Mr.. Yes. Oh, sorry about that. Snow, but I also the last time I went Home Depot I bought a rock. So my could've stone is stolen. It. I had four pockets full of plant clippings, and I was like, you know, what I feel bad and I'm going to pay for the rock. How big was the rock? It was like fist-size, you definitely could've stole one hundred percent could have stolen. It could've put it in your mouth. I mean, there are so many John I could get away with. I'm white. Important that really nothing is the legal and Home Depot if you're white. I want to be really because we've been talking about stealing rain out. I am a hundred percent aware of my big innocent looking cheeked white woman privileged right now. I anyway, I question first question it's needed to get that out there. Hi, Jenin Tren. You've answered the question about where to meet people and make new friends a lot. But I'm wondering if you had an answer for doing that online mid appeared in my life where soon as like at home every day. I don't wanna be around people. Amen. Instead of going out with friends. I'd rather just relax at home and not have to deal with any more social anxiety for the day. I still need some form of socialization though. So I've been trying to find places online where I can maybe make a few friends not had socialize face to face as much. I'm not really into social media. So the only place where I've been able to find an act of community is unread it in its been terrible. Do you have any better recommendations for me? Thanks for the advice. Lonely on the internet. All lonely on the internet is the satisifed. Off said, you even when you wanna be alone on the internet. You really never never alone on the internet because online communities no matter what your interested in. There's a community of people who love that weird thing. Yeah. Watch the flat earth or documentary on Netflix and can think of any greater example of a bunch of weirdos who found each other. And that so you were saying you're talking about it earlier that there were even some people in the flat earth communities who didn't even really believe in it. And yeah, yeah, I get the feeling towards the end of the documentary peoples belief in flat earth starts to get a little shaky but they hold on because they like the community aspect of it. And there was strong community aspect like they do a lot of stuff together. They have a ton of meet ups. There's a ton of merch hot. It's so strange and kind of hilarious and sad. Because they also believe in other conspiracy theories that are way more harmful. There are very few people are I'm like, oh, guys news. Yeah. Yeah. That's why I watch. Yeah. That's why I watched a documentary because it's not a documentary. That'll make me so sad that I can't get out of bed. It'll make me like mildly said. Oh, yeah. Let's let's new. Yeah. Yeah. I know. That's why I don't watch a lot of documentaries because I'm a sponge for that stuff. Like ruin my month. If I watch a certain documentary anyway, this isn't about me. Let's get back to the entire podcast is at least half about. So let's talk about the different communities there arcs. You did mention hating read it which is fair fair. Yeah. I'm not going to try and talk. You automating read it read it strength is it's like heavily moderated sub. It's I peeked into the indie independent makeup seen recently. It is vibrant full know each other in there. It's very cool. They sell each other products and get very personal recommendations. But right it's weaknesses like everything else. The front page of readiness pretty bad like some really terrible uninformed beliefs about groups of people make the front page of Reddit and they get the same like, wait. And heading is like news articles. That are true. And I just I just. Can't can't abide by that. Yeah. It's not good. It's hard. You know, what in many online communities have these problems, and it's hard because you have to take the good with the bed. So my favorite online communities tumbler and disgust tumbler is really weird right now because there's a lot of controversial moderation happening. They are very anti pornography. But what that ends up being as they start curtailing LGBT content thinking that it's like promiscuous content. They have banned female presenting nipple, presenting nipples because you can tell that also the it just doesn't work like a lot of my post got flagged that are not in any way. Anyway, presenting a female nipple like I follow a lot of rocks, and plants blogs on unpopular and all of them have had flagged post. Yeah. It just doesn't make sense. And there's like a little there's like a little new button on my dashboard for coming that says review, inappropriate material or whatever. No, I'm not going to do that. I shouldn't have to like. So tumbler would be a perfect place. If they allowed us all of the nudity that we nipples nipple L the nipples that we want. Okay. All of the the the eighteen plus nipples because it's a lot of fan art. And right. Yeah. But, but what's good about tumbler is that like read it, you can kind of create your own experience, I strongly recommend that if you have dabbled in read it, and you don't like it that much tumbler might be another good move, especially if you are a weird like phantom nerd like I am then I've been on tumbler for like oh God like fifteen years now. Oh my God. So long time to be a nerd online. Yeah. And you know, I I've met internet friends there just because of shared interests like shared fandom like I think I started getting interested in like Harry Potter fan Vic Fangio like some really really famous fan fix that are like have gotten coverage in the New York Times. Like that's how I found like my weirdos. And also, some friends I know in real life, use tumbler and. We all other now me trend. Yeah. I would say like most of my continental Boris's rebe blogging trend. These days. Oh, man. Also, that's so that's a good point. So the tumbler experience so you are looking to get friends online tumblers a very good way to have kind of like, these low rent internet French. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Exactly. So there are different ways, you simpler. So let's let's talk through this. So you make your tumbler cow, and you're like now the fucking what? So what you're gonna do is much like Twitter much like ready. You're gonna look through the tags. So goes through your things that you like, so I like rocks. So I looked up the geology tag. I like a very specific shipping and doctor who which is river song. And this is a good example of funding your people on tumbler what what do you like? And then what are you really secretly? Like, right, right. Yeah. I totally agree with that. You look both for people who are general interest to you. And then also blogs that are like extremely niche like extremely you. And some people will. Blog things like fifty things in a row like all day long. Some people will just write some things like re blog if you think I'm the kind of person who gets on at two AM and re bloods like twenty things in row because I you know, I've got that night wine in my myself. I think I I used to learn a similar way. Yeah. Yeah. And and what starts happening over time. Because you you need to kind of be in the community for a while. Is you start getting people who mutually follow you back? And I have these these old like, I wouldn't even call them friends because I literally no nothing about them other than we absolutely. Like all the same things. Right. Right. The friendships that start to emerge. Are you start noticing? Oh, my buddy discs homeowner that somebody I fell on tobe ler. They really love fashion and stuff, and I love their fashion to and my buddy maya's also blocking fashion, I'm gonna read blog this because I want to trick my other friend into being an enjoying something online for a moment. It's so much fun. You start like, it's a very mutual kind of give and take experience. So that's tumbler, you know. So if you're looking for low rent, we're going to enjoy things together, not even necessarily talking to one another you can you can make comments and tags. That's a good place to go. You wanna talk about Twitter and how to make Twitter friends. Yeah. This is this is harder. I agree uses Twitter a little bit differently. Some people use it just for being a professional and some people have locked accounts in which making friends with them would be like not possible. Right. So you have to decide what you want. So from the context of your question, we're assuming that you wanna be anonymous you want to interact on your terms, and you are interested more in other people's blogging and reading eating consuming it than you are posting your own which is totally good. So the first thing you do you and you make your Twitter account? Is you look up perhaps some writers that you really like or some outlets that you enjoy like if you are into video games follow polygon, and they'll post content that you'll like they'll start recommending accounts. To you. I always strongly encourage when you first get onto any online platform follow fuck and everybody, and then the experience will become more curated over time as you unfiled people, so just go in go ham and just absorb that. Good. Good stream of hot content. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Hose, I will say a have you don't need to use your name or anything, but do have some kind of identity on Twitter. Just so like if I got a tweet from someone who had like, the avatar and followed one hundred accounts and had zero people following them. I think even Twitter my filter out. So I don't see anything from that person. Yeah. I'm pretty sure. So like have have an avatar something in your bio. If coupled with that, it doesn't it can be it doesn't seem to be true. Yeah. I mean to get on the internet. Isn't that weird? Why you can be anything you want to you could be Batman like us a picture of your cat us a really picked a really hot picture of taika Whitey t use whenever I know, he's miles. I love him so much. Do you know he's like six three? Oh perfect. He's climb -able. He could throw you cross a real he could. And he would he would ask you politely. If you'd like it, and I would I would also like anyway, you can be horny for celebrities on life. That's what I use it for. I just don't give yourself too much pressure too. Create content or to talk just just get into flow. I in my opinion. Yeah. I agree. If you go in this like, I'm gonna make five new internet friends today. It doesn't work like it's just not a thing. Because so many people aren't on the internet to make friends like they wanna be anonymous or faceless, and it's so easy to mess up like so easy to excellently make someone feel unsafe. Yeah. Yeah. And you wanna you wanna watch before you participate a little bit? I think even you might want to interact with communities for you interact with individ-. Holy agree. Yes. And then if you do interact and communities, you'll start seeing the same name same faces, and you can say, hi, I remember you from this thing, but don't be creepy about it. Here's an example on Instagram, as you know, I like plants followed a bunch of plant accounts because I want to look at plants, and then I'll see people who've really interesting comments on these posts. And I followed them they follow me. And now we give you two other plant advice on on Instagram, sometimes it can happen pretty organically. But I think that the order of operations is follow million people interact with. A community. And then find the your Mutual's. Yeah. Find your Mutual's. Exactly it does. It does have to be mutual. I agree. Someone has to make the first. Hello move. Yeah. That hap- that's true. But like you're looking for mutual friends here, you're not looking to be a fan of someone. Right. And also like when you make those connections bear in mind, how often you are reaching out to an individual. And how many times they're reaching back to you? So if you are just commenting on somebody over and over and over again, that's uneven in when you're talking about an individual account rather than this is the potted platin- jungle, you know, Instagram, or whatever that's a little different. Yeah. I think the only exception I can think to that is if you're reading someone's fantastic, and you read a nearly communist every single chapter. Yes. And obviously, you're not leaving personal notes about the person you're complimenting their work people love that shit like giving them a million dollars. That's a great way to meet people. If you can find a good fantastic form. So yeah, I guess what we're saying is like I you need to ask yourself. What do you like? And then what do you super secret? Early teen. Right. Yeah. What do you wanna talk more with people? Like, did you see he mean rhapsody, and you think it kind of sucked like there's plenty of people on the internet that would would like to participate in that discussion with you. Yeah. I one hundred percent. And also like if you have a negative experience bail making new account. All yeah. Man. Don't get dragged down by one asshole. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. If you make a mistake, then learn from it and move on just try and try and tread lightly. And don't take it too seriously. And again talk to a bunch of people before you talk to an individual person. If you're not having fun. Don't do it. The should be a fun experience. I mean, it seems like you like podcast. So it kind of sounds like you need to go. Start a friendship. Ing group. Earned a friendship. Ing fan for. Yeah. Do it. That's the only advice to give we gave even cut out everything else. Yeah. This episode is thirty seconds long. Every ready for question too. I think so so question two is very similar, but entirely different. Hi, Jen in Trenton. I took your advice about putting myself in the position to meet new people, and I decided to volunteer at my local animal shelter. I give the doggies their walkies twice a week like twice a week. He's wiki. And I love it. I've been going for three weeks now. So we're all the friends everyone here shows up super dedicated and doesn't really talk to me. There's this one weird old lady who yells at me about the cat room. It's a long story. But this the only interaction that I have over there. There were a bunch of people my age in the volunteer orientation. But now they're nowhere to be found. I'm happy to walk these dogs because it's fun. I enjoy it. And so do the pumpers, but I came here to make human friends. How can I turn this into a friend making opportunity? Thanks. Oh my God. You were doing almost everything right raising including taking advice for me about volunteer in animal shelters that makes me so happy like lime all puffed up right now like a rooster. I'm so excited like a rooster. Her. I was gonna say puff. They cut a strut. You know, they start Cocco the walk. You know, I was gonna say peacock, but I think I walk more like a rooster. So here are the things you've accomplished so far so bear in mind that even though you have not made a friend you've done other things. So first of all you went out of your comfort zone to do something new. And this is almost always a good thing that will lead to opportunities of various kinds. Whether it's you wanna make a friend or maybe you're going to throw it on a resume someday. But we're guardless of what it is. If you changed up what you're doing. It will lead to other things changing. So that is one thing you've accomplished so far too. You're doing good. You are being productive and helpful and making the world one iota, less sucky. It is my favorite thing about the animal shelter. And I have I have been so busy. I haven't been in a while. But that was my confession. Now, I'm back to bragging about what I do. When I am there, which is you are making life easier for all the people at the end my shelter and the animals like the difference between animals that have exercise and haven't been able to get along lock that day is incredible. So you are objectively doing something that is making the world better. Yeah. So take that, sir. Yes. So you should be walking around like a happy rooster. You also now have something new to do small talk about when you meet a new person, so small talk is very difficult. And is it sucks for some people? But you now have something to say that indicates who you are. And what your values are also isn't too intimate, and that's one of the biggest benefits to your social life that volunteering is going to give you is. Now, you meet somebody at a gathering or you talk to a co worker that you wanted to be closer to. And you have something that you can say this is who I am. These are my values, and this is a fun story about a dog and very few people. Don't love that. Yeah. Yeah. So couple years ago is working closely with our lawyers, and I had to like present and talk in front of them and their advice was, you know, always have a safe harbor of things you can talk about like you have a couple of them. Like, what are four topics you feel very comfortable talking about one of them might be the flatter Thakin Montreal us night. But another one is definitely. A life at the animal shelter. I could talk about about that forever. It's safe because it's like nothing about it will really make people uncomfortable. It's like a fairly, okay. In offensive mild topic that doesn't make other people feel like they have to now Dell deeply into personal issues. It's just just talking. Yeah. And if they don't like dogs, then you know, that they won't be your friend. Then you've gathered some important information. And also, you can be friends with people who don't like dogs, obviously. But you know, what I'm saying? Now, you have more people that don't like dogs will appreciate the fact that you are making life better for other animals that is a really good point. So now moving forward what how can you turn this into a friendship opportunity? Will there are a few different things you can do. So first of all you said you come in on Tuesday Thursday, perhaps the youths are coming in on the weekends. You can I would say maybe try and mix up days you come in. I wouldn't do it too often. Because if you want to make like a strong connection with somebody you probably want to come in on the same days in kind of have a schedule on. But that's one thing that you can mix up. So you said you've been doing this for three weeks, which is fantastic that you've been going for three weeks in a row, bad news. That's not enough time now to like make strong connections with people it takes longer than you think. Yeah. Especially to setting like this. I think I've talked about this on the show before people are there to work. They're really not there to socialize. I know you know, that people are there to take care of the animals cleanup poop do loads of laundry. Get things ready for the next shift. I really doubt people are standing around talking if they are. That's probably that's probably not good. You really gotta read the room in the situation are other people standing around socializing is the director doing that said, I think it's okay to join in on the conversation. But for the most part, you are there to work. So I think my my biggest piece of advice is hang out with these people outside of the animal shelter. There is definitely going to be some kind of fundraiser or benefit or something on a Saturday where other people can come meet the dogs. And that is definitely where you go to like actually connect with people. Yeah. No, I one hundred percent degree. I mean, a big part of what you do next because the next tip is just continue to live your life. Go. Two gatherings. Talk to your co workers, go to the grocery store, again, the one of the biggest booms to your life. Now is that you can say oh funny thing happened to me at the doggie shelter. The other day you have material you have a go-to thing to talk about. So. Yeah. So that is exactly right. And I think perhaps our last tip going forward other than keep doing what you're doing is volunteer at adoption drives and other events there will be more people different. People quality time can be head draw so interacting with the public in those events, usually so even if you don't make friends with anybody there, you get more experience a meeting people and figuring out what to say I and that is one of the most difficult things to solve as an adult making friends is what the hell do I say, I well, this is a time for you to refine that man, I can think about is how volunteering in the situation is giving you so many skills skills. Not just managing the animals, but like how to manage people and the animals or not just like how to lease train, but how to like. Explain a dog's behavior to someone. That's interested in dumping them. Like, you're getting a lot of practice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I like it to keep going. Don't just go like keep keep up with this. And I think you'll see some really really positive changes. And if you're finding that you don't have it sounds like you have a lot of enthusiasm for what you're doing regardless of making friends or not. And so this probably doesn't apply to you. But if you do find that you are not feeling is enthusiastic about this. Because you decide you wanted to do this to make friends you're not making friends volunteer someplace else, not just because maybe you'll meet other people. But also because we want you to enjoy what you're doing and having them for it independently these that is what he's going to lend itself to it being future. Material few to talk about if you actually really enjoy it. Then that is actually going to be the benefit volunteer at this like youth reading program because I like books, and I like children for the most part just wasn't clicking. Like, I was dreading the ships rather than getting really excited for them. And that's how I knew like, you know, what nothing. Bad happened. It's just there was no negative experience. Just like this just isn't for me. And that's okay. That's totally. Okay. And if this isn't for you, wholly acceptable, you gave it a try, which is awesome. A lot of people will just go to the volunteer orientation and then never show up again seriously. They're like, yeah. I put in my two hours. Yeah. I'm good. Which is also. Okay. I'm not should talking them either. They are now doing something else. And that is also totally acceptable. So was I think the up is that it could cover it. I feel like we spent so much time talking about by criminal exploits. I know it was great. But like these both of these questions like these these Askar's are in good places. They just need a little boost. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think they know that too. I think they know their head in the right direction. They just need a little little boost. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know what? Congratulations on taking our advice GIO my God. Awesome. You did it. And if it doesn't work after this. Do something else. Listen to a new podcast. No, don't give up on us. But this has been friendship. Ing steal from Home Depot. I never talking about that again, I wouldn't have to run this past by lawyer before we post it. This has been friendship. Ing Jenin trend. If you want to E mail us a question, please do friendship and podcast gmaiLcom. If you want to follow us on Twitter, you can at do friendship. Thank you and Parman for editing. Thank you to Molly Lewis for singing Vicki to Lauren Gallagher for designing. Thank you. Monica. Verma for agent Inc. Thank you, Alex Cox for making the studio work and thank you throw. This thing. You're welcome for talking. Late.
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GSMC Weird News Podcast Episode 116: Babies, 8 inch knife, Deadly Chips
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I'm your host Arianna and I am joined by the wonderful Heidi here who low our first topic. We're going to talk about a situation that happened in a funeral home. Now this is said and kind of weird. So hence the weird news, but I'm gonna talk about it in any way even though it's kind of sad. So there's this funeral home in west Detroit called Perry funeral home and thirties, found sixty three dead fetuses inside the funeral home. It was this. This find came week after a another, find in a different funeral home in east Detroit. The east Detroit funeral home is called control Cantrell funeral home. And in that funeral home week prior, they found ten fetuses and. One infant in the ceiling like stored in their stealing horrible like an attic or like, you know, like. Just like ceiling boards. I dunno, it just said the ceiling, so I don't know how exactly they like what kind of ceiling it was, but they feel like the two were in connection. So after they found the one at Cantrell funeral home, they were kinda tipped off. And that's when they went to Perry funeral home. In the other sixty three fetuses in it was just like one of the officers. Like I've been doing this for forty one years than I have never seen this. It's like stored remains of young young children. Yes, the and one the ones that were found Perry funeral home rebound in boxes in the in the, yeah, like the we're gonna get better than the ceiling, but we'll yet and is so crazy. So there's a lawsuit against Perry funeral home right now. And one of the or I guess it's the the main prosecutor guy is saying that there could be up to two hundred more bodies or remains found. In this Perry, funeral home. The one that found the sixty three fetuses in improper possession, which is, which is interesting because a lot of the dock. Contagion that the Perry funeral home has has is so it's like so inaccurate and inadequate that they can't really trace back in the one the prosecutor guy has name is what is his name? I forget it's up here somewhere. Anyway. He is saying that as he was going through them, he feels like they did this intent intentionally to on a mess up the the documentation of it, just so things would be too hard to read. Just in case there was a lawsuit filed that it it wouldn't be adequate enough information that is wrong on so many level rate. Exactly. Oh, gosh. So gross. Yeah. And so when I was beginning to read this, it was a family. A woman and her in her. It didn't say they were married. So it was, I guess, is just her baby at the time will they? They lost a daughter twenty seven minutes after she was born. So they decided with her remains. They wanted to donate it to science research science study at to the the Wayne would is it Wayne institute the way University School of medicine? Yeah. And this was back in December twenty fourteen well, so they never got any information on what happened or what they found or anything like that with with her remains because I guess they have that right if they, if you donate your somebody who loves a loved one's body into research, they get to tell you on, this is what we did with it, whatever they haven't heard anything about it. And so they kind of inquired about it, like where. Where's our daughter's remains? What happened like? Where was it helpful? Anything? And they were like, oh, we didn't. We, we don't know. And so that's kind of how the lawsuit came about because once they started kinda digging around, they found all these like sixty three fetuses. So the attorney actually is working with this couple to kind of figure out where her where their daughters remains went because they still don't know to this day still have no no clue where she's at, which is horrible. Like losing your kid first and then not knowing like where her remains went because I don't even know if they even had a funeral for for the baby girl. I notices so said, I'm sorry. Sad. I'm gonna cry. Don't cry. But the it let me see. Perry funeral home, they alleged they allegedly have will. The lawsuit was saying, I'm stumbling over my words here. So it's alleging that the funeral home may have fraudulently billed Medicaid as well as the medical center for the medical center for the burials that it never performed because it said that they get like one hundred dollars per fetus in then. I think it's even more money. If it's like a full grown adult like fetus that they don't get airy, nor that they donate, oh, or the Uniroyal home, they received then donate to the medical school. Exactly. So they got the money for that. Plus they build Medicaid or medical insurances for a funeral that never happened. Oh, so they're kind of like doing a bunch of like fraudulent things. Is there right plus have apparently haven't told families of what happened to the remains. Exactly. Yeah. They're saying that. The lawsuit against Perry funeral home, alleges that it stored the remains of stillborn end live birth babies in the Wayne State University School of mortuary science more for up to three years without trying to notify the parents. And when they came out with that statement, Wayne State university like kind of sent another statement Beck like, no, no, you don't get to put this on us. Right. We gave you like they allowed them to store certain remains for up to a certain period of time and what it was the university allowed the funeral home to store remains on the campus. Yeah, of the school up mid annot at the funeral home that was the the storage like they didn't have adequate storage there. So Wayne State statement saying that they agreed to temporary secure shelter for the remains, but just for. Period of time, and then whatever happened to them after like they're not responsible for the final disposition of the remains. So even if they didn't get sent over to Wayne funeral home after a certain period of time, they were supposed to dispose of them in the proper way. So like the school, some of the remains at the school was in possession over being stored at the funeral home, but only for a temporary amount of time and that kinda like if it went past that tie funeral home was going to dispose of these remains properly. They were supposed they were supposed to. They didn't? Yeah, I guess because they found a bunch of a bunch of their butt weighing, yeah, Wayne State university where you're going to get our name out of this. 'cause yeah, she does this place it. It didn't say as nights specific people, I guess h. o. keep the preparing, you know who you are? Yeah, get the funeral home is clay. Claiming that they sent out notice letters that were never to the like to the people who who actually families. Yeah, exactly. And they say that, oh, well, we sent out letters, but nobody responded to them. Nobody came in claim the body set, you know, have in some of these people. I know like we haven't moved. We've stayed here. We didn't receive any phone calls like, how are you going to sit there and tell us, which makes sense because they're inadequate, you know, documentation of rises. Yeah, there also, but I just thought this was the craziest Oreos like, how do you find dislike randomly sixty three fetuses? I don't even know that also meant when I was also looking at the story. I read that before they found the as they also found bodies that had like the improperly stored and had like stuff growing on them. Yeah, and stuff like not necessarily a fetuses babies, but like, but like full grown adult right. Bodies and, oh God, this is horrible. I know. And just to make a couple bucks, like can remain how the families of these people probably feel because they either donated in chose not and thinking they're doing something right. You know what I mean is like I would be livid. Right? And they're just like they ended up just those remains were to contribute to like a scam yet, not at all what you intended xactly. Oh, man, that's just heartbreaking. I mean, to lose somebody and into find this hour. She's like, oh my, yeah, like you have to relive the nightmare again. Yeah, and feed his children being top of that. That is so sad. And I just thought that was like one of the craziest does so weird yet Detroit you guys get your stuff to clean it out man. Yeah. So I'm so sorry, this are seriously any. If you're one of these victims of, you know the funeral homes or whatever. I'm so sorry for you. I hope everybody gets what they deserve. Gosh, you know, I don't. I don't mean to laugh, but that's just a horrible story. 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Yeah, I think so. Hope I said that. Right. Sorry if I didn't, if you're listening, she's permanent co. She's in Africa. She actually, you never know. Yeah, exactly. This is forty years old. She said, she's from Uganda. She's been the most fertile woman because she has given birth to forty four children ripe, got she gave birth to forty, four children, man. I have to. Imagine. Gosh, yet thirty of which are still thirty eight thirty eight of which are still alive today. She is also known as I'm gonna try to say. So sorry, if I butcher it no longer co Mazzola Bonna which means twin mother that produces quadruplets in their language. Let's yeah. So she she's forty years old and she spent eighteen years of her life pregnant, which why? I mean, I'm almost crying from this story. The last one was gonna make me cry. This one might this is put me over the edge yet. This is just kind of know I feel your pain to go through all that lake eighteen years being pregnant. Now I don't know of any of you have been pregnant out there, but I'm sure many people have Bray. There's plenty of in this world, but if you haven't some say it's the best time of their life personally, I don't like it. I do not like being produced one eighteen years. It's it's just crazy. So she has up these forty four children k she's given birth to six sets of twins, four sets of triplets three sets of quadruplets and then had a few single births quadrupling. Yes, rain my God. Yeah, they in in an interview. She was saying to them that she didn't find this odd because she like she just thought it was normal because her father has forty five children with multiple different wives, but they all given birth to twin's triplets quadruplets and even quintuplets. So she thought multiple births was like the norm. Yeah, I know I don't have any words have no one like are you serious? Oh my gosh. Yeah, it just it blows my mind. I dunno Miriam is a single mom. My she takes care of her thirty eight living children by herself. Yes, by herself. So what happened was she was married off to a man that was twenty eight years older than her when she was twelve. So that would made him like what? Thirty forty years old? Yeah, forty. He was forty. She was twelve year old makes me so sad. I, I have no words for the story. Oh my goodness. How sad? Weird news on top of that crew will nother standpoint. He was like super abusive in to hers. And he would leave like he, he didn't help her raise any of these kids. Yeah, hence single mom yet because technically she's still married to him. She is. Yeah, she's raised them as a single mom. Yep. And she let me see. I don't. It said that he comes home once a year and he's usually drunken violent with her also. Are these all his children? Yes. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Mariam is says that when he comes home, he comes is said that he comes late in the evening and then he'll sneak away like before the kids get a chance to see him. Yeah, one of the boys, her oldest boy who is twenty three. I don't know if that was in my nose, but he's twenty three and he. Yeah, his name is Charles. He said the last time he saw his dad was when he was thirteen years old and some of his younger siblings have never even seen him like, don't even know who he is. Never seen them nothing. Yeah, crazy crazy. And for him to just come home once a year that just to like more kids. Yeah, that's I don't even know if he knows how many kids he has like he's always gone. That's true. He might not. Yeah. 'cause I don't think that she would be like, well, I had five more, you know. I mean, maybe she did. I mean, maybe he just doesn't remember, you know? Yeah, exactly. He's to junk to know. She. The thing with what so apparently what her condition is her conditions crazy. Yes. So Dr in Uganda, excuse me, Uganda will gynecologists in Uganda says that her condition is genetic. Like it's not just, you know, randomly happens is genetic and it's called hyper ovulate, which means that she releases multiple eggs in one cycle. So there are multiple eggs to be fertilized. Okay. Xactly. So does that mean so like of her children. So she has so many children and then she could be passing on also this genetic nation? Yeah. The daughters could also have this condition. They have chil- so then like she probably got it from her or from her dad. Right. Couldn't she have gotten from her dad's side? Well, I see your network yet. I think that. Like the area of Uganda she lives in the they practice polygamy so where they have multiple wives. So I feel like some of them are all like related anyway, you know? So like if her if her one of her mom's or whatever, like hurt, biological mom, right, right. Headey and then like that one's biological mom, I feel like because with the small village it's in and the like practice me, there's some mixing there. So that's kind of weird anyway. In ninety four nineteen ninety four for you. Like younger kids. Nineteen nineteen Ninety-four was the first time she gave birth in her. First, Bert. Pregnancy was a set of twins this. She was thirteen years old. Can you imagine being thirteen and giving birth to a set of twins. And having to take care of those babies buyers. I can't on the story has done me in. There's a more. Let me tell you. Okay. All right. Tell me more coming more she. She said that she's dreamed of having six children. That's what she wanted. She wanted six kids little, but by her sixth pregnancy, she had already given birth to eighteen. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. And at that point she says that she told the doctors that she didn't want any more. She's like, I'm done. I wanna stop help me and they told her that interfering with her for Tilleke any way would put her life at risk. Was that like it'll actually put her life to his like with our conditioners yet? No, I don't think so. I think they just told her that because I'm like, you can easily give her birth control. I mean, it might not have stopped it fully because if she was on birth control because of like it was multiple eggs, but I feel like it would have stopped the multiple pregnancies to a point. You know what I mean? Will I feel like something. Try to trying something exactly is what do you think this is like, I don't know. Would this be like something that's cultural maybe or was it just like they didn't know what was going on at the time when she came Mike and told them this, like maybe they weren't sure what her condition was potentially will feel like it head affect her on her life at all, but I'm wondering maybe they thought it did date and that's why they told her that because they were like a Stanichev by. See, and I'm just like, you men. I don't know. That's where this podcast. Well, I okay. So yeah, she did try the IUD I eventually she had so many. She ended up trying an IUD and said, it just made her. She said it is made her vomit a lot and made her just super sick to the point where she was actually in coma in a coma for over a month for about a month now. So maybe they were right, maybe threatened her head that it might have. That's crazy, though. Coma this woman. Yeah, Mariam we feel for you. I don't ever want to have forty four children God. No, yeah. So crazy fact there is when she was twenty three. She had already had twenty five children like more than her age twenty three and you have twenty five children. That's insane. Yeah, is insane. I don't know what she's been a good mother. She said that she always been able to feed her children. They haven't gone a day without a meal. They have good and just. Seems like she's trying really hard to like work. She does like support her family yet is said that she administers herbs which she's been doing since she was a young girl. Apparently it was a trait or like a skull pass on one of her mom's. And then she styles brides for weddings. She decorates for various events. She says she can she'll do any work that she can get her hands on just because she knows that she has a lot of mouths to feed in her kids are important to her. So she's refuse to let them go a day without having a meal, and she just considers herself extremely blessed to have all of these kids men. Yeah, hats off to you. Marry him seriously though. Seriously. Most people will be like, oh yeah, I have forty four kids, but they're like foster kids or something like, yeah, just like handling it by how doing all this? Yes. So mazing woman she is. She is. So she gave birth to her last baby, December twenty. Sixteen. So that's just like a timeframe there. I had her first nineteen ninety four to twenty sixteen this just crazy. Crazy insane. I know we're gonna take another break. As is I needed yet. My gosh. I did give you like crazy. Sad stories. Okay, it's weird news. We'll come back with more. We're news. Introducing the amazing iphone tenants. You'll love on t. mobile, but most loved and wires. It's the perfect way to stay connected to those you heart most fall in love with tennis on t. mobile right now trade in ineligible, iphone and you'll save three hundred dollars visit a store or call one eight hundred team. Service remaining balances to thank service and finance agreement required to seventy nine ninety nine down plus thirty months times twenty four full price. Ninety nine ninety nine zero percents APR for well-qualified buyers plus tax on Bryce allow eight weeks rebate. This is your alternate stop for everything sports, the Golden State media, concepts or podcast, should I say more from the NFL Melby the NBA to 'em all in here, Golden State media, concepts, sports, but cast listen. Welcome back to the GMC. We're news podcast. We're gonna move on to our next story, which is about a man name Yuri, Zocor of from Russia. He's forty one years old. This man decided it would be a good idea to step himself in the head with an eight inch knife. He just had to be on drugs or something. There's no way he was on something like video of this. The police found him the police found him kneeling in a field with the knife likes to wreck up out of his skull. Did he saw it? Was he in the field when he stemmed over to walk to the field afterwards? I don't know. It didn't say they found him in the field low. Listen to why he said he did this. Okay. So when he was asked by the police, like who did this to two and he was like, I did. It was me and they were like, well, why did you do that? And he says, my nose was not breathing. So a pierced my head for my head to breathe now the knife is stuck in my head, and my head still does not breathe. He had to be on drug. He was definitely on something and like his reaction. I was so craziest like, can you imagine the pay? He's talking? He's like, he's alive. He's alive. He. So the reason why he was who he lived through this like he didn't die was because miraculously the way he stood up with the knife, it went to reckless between the two hemispheres of his brain. Yeah. So like in the x rays, you can see it just directly in between and so crazy. So like convulsing. Really. There's a bathroom down the hall. Yeah, was crazy because they were the police. He was like, trying to grab it, wanted to pull it out. You can see that he wanted to take it out and they were like, no, no, no, don't touch. Don't touch it. And even doctors like after they brought him to the hospital, the local doctors at that hospital where like we're not touching this. Oh, no, we pulled does. Men is dead. So they had to call like a specially neurosurgeon from like a larger hospital, like a specialist to come down and do the surgery because they were like, we're not touching this dude is crazy insane. Yeah, he ended up living like he lived after the surgery and somewhat normal after this. I don't know. I don't know. I don't feel like he was normal before this. That's true. We don't know. But also it's crazy because like people do have these type of brain injuries and they don't necessarily like some people don't die from them. You know, like I know I recently read a story about a man from the civil war, and I guess because when they used to make bullets, not all of them were effective and those there was one man from the civil war where he got shot in the head, but the bullet was not affective. So it like basically stayed in the front of his brain, and he was fine. And they said that sometimes pieces of the bullet fall out and like they said like, yes, sometimes he would just be sitting kind of just like days out, like fade out but then come back. Oh, and he likes still lived till like old age. And like I know there's the story of finance gauge where like a railroad pipe cope and hit him in his head and his frontal lobe. And he was still, okay. I'm his personality had changed. Yeah. These like crazy freak accidents that where you still are miraculously Moore. Iraqi, la- sleep alive, rise of an angle that it hits you right? The way that it you even. Or even people like try and kill themselves up, shooting them themselves in the head. It doesn't kill them exact in sage just crazy. But yeah, he survived. And I mean, Craig, please don't stick knives in this. Don't do this. Your head can't breathe. That's what your mouth and nose. Oh, and stuff. So he was definitely on some kind of something something was wrong. Yeah. And then it became over. Like bad. And then this is just like Banham so much worse. Yeah, we're gonna end on one more story on your stories are killing me. These are so weird and just. Oh happy. I'll have lighter stories. I don't have anything that has to do with like killing or debts. Well, there was this guy named Ryan Langdale from South Carolina nineteen year old. And he was hanging out with his cousin who was seventeen. They chose not to provide his name, but he was seventeen at the time. Anyway, he Ryan decided to leave the room and he was eating some salt and vinegar potato chips. And he told his cousin don't eat much ups or I'll shoot you and came back. And that's when the whole ordeal happened. Well, police were called, they asked what happened. And Ryan said that his cousin shot himself, what what? The shotgun and they were like while while cleaning it yet while cleaning was Ryan sane, his cousin was cleaning his rifle yet and the rifle, he, he just shot himself with a rifle. Okay. And. After officers were investigating it, they were like, no, because the angle of the bullet and the pathway of it, it just doesn't make sense through like through the chest, the pathway of the blade like this couldn't have happened combustible for him to have mistakenly shut him some girl. So the cousin was rushed to the are after, you know, the police were called in that he shot himself. I don't even know who called the cops. I think it was Ryan himself. Maybe he was scared, but the cousin went into surgery ended up surviving. And as soon as he woke up, he told the authorities. My cousin shot me with the shotgun because as chimps. Oh, my God. Yeah. So, yeah, chips to die for or to kill for, you know. I do sound good. I'm not really big fan of vinegar though. I mean down, I wouldn't kill someone over. You can keep it already. Yeah, it. It just doesn't make sense. But yeah, he's straight up told on his cousin like, no, he told me not to came back with a rifle and shot me and it looks like Ryan surrendered. He did. He did after. For my garden after his cousin snitched him out, which I probably would have done. Ships. Yeah. So yeah, Langdale, after the police told him, you know your, your cousin told us what happened. He was like, okay, so he surrendered. I think they said it was like ten days later, something like that, and he's being charged with attempted murder and other crimes in moment God. So that's insane. I mean, I did have a friend who accidentally shot himself, but now with a gun, we'll my friend crazy. Any had a bullet, like not like a not a shell like a bullet and he was really dumb and he was playing with it and he hit the back of the bullet, the part that gets hit by a gun and shot him and it went through his hand like through the webbing between your thumb, like your fingers shot through that all my God, he shot himself with a bullet and no gun with a bullet and no good. It was insane. So I mean, it happens. It happens. Yeah. Be careful. Careful with Amion. Nation and with going with guns and with chips. And you're crazy. Yeah, if your cousins crazy. Don't be if you have, he has a gun and says, I'll shoot you. Zac, risky chips. I'll shoot you in general in general. Just call your mom. Eight mom come pick me up. I don't wanna see over on and then we get chips on the way home. Oh my gosh. On that. We're gonna you know, leave you with those thoughts are sad stories. Come back next next time with with lighters stories, but thank you so much for listening and please join us again for weird news with the GSM z podcast network. Entertainment designed just for you then chick out customizable, streaming TV from finicky. It makes your life simple easy. Awesome. Expended, he gives you customizable streaming TV options. Enjoy the most free shows anywhere on any device and even access your streaming apps right on your TV with x one. Spineta dot com. A one, eight hundred expanding or visit a store today to learn more restrictions, apply. Choosing an energy company raises many questions. Constellation can answer all of them with energy solutions. Pitcher needs energy, efficient, simple, inciteful, inflexible. That's what makes constellation America's energy choice. Learn more constellation dot com slash energy.
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Who goes to jail after a financial crisis?
This. Marketplace podcast is brought to you by Amazon web services, helping millions of customers from startups to enterprises to governments transform their industries with secure a already cloud services. Learn more at AWS is how dot com slash podcast. Why didn't anybody go to jail? A financial crisis story in three parts starts today from American public media. This is marketplace. In Los Angeles. I'm Carl result is Tuesday today. The twenty sixth of February good as always to have you long everybody. We are going to do something a little different on the program today tomorrow and Thursday to actually we're going to pick up on a thread from an interview that we ran almost a year ago and see where it leads us back March of last year. I sat down with Ben Bernanke, Hank Paulson, and Tim Geithner fed chair treasury sectarian during the financial crisis, president of the New York fed in that order. We talked for about an hour. The three of us about the crisis about how we got there. And what the three of them did and didn't do to keep the economy from going all the way under and at one point in that interview. I said this V number one question. I get and I'm sure you three again as well. When I go out and do things we actually asked our listeners for what they want to ask you three number one is actually number one is why didn't anybody go to jail, which we'll get to in a minute. But number two is why did you let? Lehman Brothers fail. I never did get back to that first question. And you noticed one question I was most interested in hearing enhancer on with not asked why didn't anybody go to jail? Why is it that there were no convictions one banking executive or mortgage backed security trader served any jail time? Somebody was cheating. Somebody somebody or assume groups should be held responsible. Did I miss that question? Don't let this subject drop. So we decided we were getting go find the answer. And in three parts this week. We're going to lay it out for you. We talked to academics. And judges former prosecutors regulators politicians we talked to him on background and on the record. We read court documents and regulatory filings. And you know, what the answer, and we're going to show you how we got there. We're going to do some history and show you how other financial scandals were handled and explain why two thousand eight was handled differently. But the answer to why nobody went to jail. It's really complicated. Part. One of this story starts with this guy. I'm very proud of the home homeownership opportunities that countrywide is provided for over twenty million families Jhelum, Zillow was the founder and during this congressional testimony in two thousand eight the CEO of countrywide financial proud of the thirty nine years of success that we've had as a company, but there is no question that the past six months have been horrific for many of the homeowners that we serve for shareholders. And certainly for employee's by the time of the crisis countrywide was one of the biggest mortgage lenders in the country. It had a reputation as a savvy lender that had made it through a whole handful of recessions downturns. If you need a lender who actually find ways to make loan countrywide more, America's number one home lender. No one can do a countrywide. Can there was a profit powerhouse and CEO? Angela Missoula was seen as one of the most innovative financial executives out there listed as one of the best CEO's in the world by Barron's magazine. Michael Winston had been doing corporate strategy for big companies for years, Motorola, and Merrill. Lynch. Among them before he was recruited to countrywide in two thousand five to be its chief leadership officer, you're going to hear by the way that his voice is a bit rough. He's been fighting laryngeal cancer. Well, I I eight months we were hitting grant slammers every day back before the economy fell apart g- Winston thought country one was the company to join. And then he caught on. I think I sensed certain things pretty early, but didn't know them. Winston remembers one time been there about eight or nine months and like any other day he'd parked in the executive parking lot and walk toward his office. Past the car with a personalized plate that said fund another countrywide executive walk past in Winston says he may or may not have been the owner of the car with a personalized plate that said funding. He's not sure. And I said, what do you suppose that means fund them? He said, oh, we fund every loan for every customer. We thought wait a second every customer, and I said what if the guy's jobless fund what if the guy has no money fund? What if the guy has no assets we still fund Winston asked? It's colleague while standing in that parking lot. How do you decide who gets alone? And the guy looked at me smugly. He said if the fog a mirror, we'll give them a loan if they can fog a mirror. We will give them alone. Winston says he was asked to falsify report to Moody's the bond rating company about countrywide corporate governance standards. Were you asked to commit fraud on behalf of countrywide of course. I said I understand what you're asking me. But I can't do it. Ben what happened I can say short and sweet retaliation in every way, you can imagine in many ways, you can automate you became a whistleblower. At eventually Winston says he was marginalized and let go a jury and California hurt his story it awarded him three point eight million dollars in damages for wrongful termination that verdict was overturned on appeal citing lack of evidence that Winston got fired because he blew the whistle on countrywide. But the court didn't dispute his account of being asked to lie or that countrywide executives turned against him. When he refused. In Hawaii co founded a group called Bank whistle blowers United, and we're still trying to we keep showing evidence of not just civic fraud, but criminal behavior. No one wants to hear it Bank. Whistle blowers. United includes a whistleblower from CitiGroup. Also, one from the Federal Home Loan Bank board from back in the savings and loan crisis. William black is his name. You're going to hear him later in the story, then their informal motto. Is we saw something we said something and then things got strange. Eventually as the housing market proved that not everything can keep going up. Forever countrywide found itself at the very center of the subprime mortgage meltdown. At countrywide offices in central Florida after nearly collapsed into bankruptcy as its financing dried up in January of two thousand eight Bank of America agreed to buy countrywide for four point one billion dollars Bank of America, executive say, they got countrywide mortgage business at a good price since the company stock value has fallen nearly ninety percent over the past year in two thousand nine the securities and Exchange Commission filed the fifty three page complaint against Angela Zillow as well as against countrywide chief operating officer. And its chief financial officer, a former executive whose company became synonymous with the subprime mortgage. Crisis was charged by federal regulators today thing that they deliberately misled investors about credit risks to build and maintain the company's market share the government claims that in two thousand from new countrywide was engaged in risky lending, practices and headed for collapse. The SEC charged Missoula individually with insider trading for selling his countrywide stock for nearly a hundred. Forty million dollars in profits. The complete included internal emails from Missoula talking about one of his companies profitable subprime products as toxic. In October of two thousand ten the SEC announced. Settle Angelo Zillow settled civil fraud charges brought against him by the securities and Exchange Commission land Zillow didn't have to admit or deny wrongdoing. He did agree to a lifetime ban from serving as an officer or director of a public company, and he was fined sixty seven million dollars. And then in two thousand eleven the United States attorney for the central district of California decided not to file criminal charges against him. We contacted Angela Missoula repeatedly to get his side of the story, by the way. He never responded. So what we start there with country? What Angela Missoula what we started there because he was one of the biggest names CEOs who ran one of the biggest subprime mortgage lenders who was caught doing the wrong thing who the Justice department decided not to prosecute. So let's call that the end of the beginning of this story because I told you when we started it is complicated. And to really understand why the response to the financial crisis of two thousand eight wasn't to put people in jail. You kind of have to understand what prosecutors used to do when corporate America's started playing fast and loose with the rules. Exhibit A is a little thing called the savings and loan scandal. William k black associate professor of economics and law at the university of Missouri. Kansas City also white coward criminologist and former financial regulator. I started with the Federal Home Loan Bank board, which regulated savings and loans on April. Second nineteen Eighty-four. And this was just after people had decided that the savings and loan crisis had largely been dealt with successfully. But the conventional wisdom was that the crisis had been serious, but. But was largely past and that proved to be a conventional wisdom like many that was completely wrong. The savings and loan crisis of the late eighties and early nineties in the financial crisis of ten years ago, have some common roots manipulation of the financial system that let the banking industry make huge profits or shifting risks to the tax payers, the savings and loan tobacco. As it was called was a tragedy in two parts. The first part was interest rate risk in that meant that savings and loans. We're going to be hurt very badly. If interest rates rose sharply and they did in the early nineteen eighties. When Paul Volcker as chairman of the Federal Reserve raised interest rates to unprecedented levels to try to break, an inflationary psychology. So here's what happened when vulgar raise rates, and he raised them a lot to the federal funds rate was twenty percent in June nineteen Eighty-one twenty percent. It's two and a half percent today, by the way when Volcker did that Bank customers noticed SNL customers noticed, and they started moving their money out of savings and loans which had rules on the amount of interest. They were allowed to pay but over time as those regulations on S and L's were loosened those interest rate limits were dropped, and then because reality the thousands of savings and loans in this country once upon a time, the safest of financial firms, they started getting into a bunch of riskier things like commercial real estate lending in junk bonds savings and loan deposits, as it happened were insured by the federal savings and loan insurance corporation, fizz lick it was called so depositors kept putting their money in savings and loans risks or no risk by mid nineteen eighty-two on what's called market basis savings and loan industry as a whole was insolvent by roughly a hundred and fifty billion dollars too bad. Then that fizz like the insurance fund only had six billion. That's the first act of the crisis. The second act of the crisis was the one that was highly disputed, and that we played such a major role in that decision of how to figure out what really went wrong what turned out to been gone wrong was fraud and not fraud by little people. But frauds led by the CEO's? Ultimately, there was a bailout an estimated one hundred twenty four billion dollars and there were congressional reforms. But before any of that happened the Justice department in banking regulators realized there was no coherent system for letting prosecutors know about possibly criminal conduct. So they came up with something called suspicious activity reports also known as criminal referrals the Federal Home Loan Bank board where Bill black worked also a member of Bank whistle blowers. United. Remember, the home loan Bank board had its people meet routinely with their DOJ and FBI counterparts to get feedback on every high. Priority referral that was made. But Bill black says they lacked a sense of urgency. So we realized that the only way we could get the Justice department to provide the resources to prosecute large numbers of these felons was by embarrassing them. And so we made public every month to the media how many criminals referrals we'd made that month and we've made an normal number of criminal referrals. We made over we just one agency made over thirty thousand criminal referrals. And so pretty soon the Washington Post would start running stories going. Hey, there are three thousand criminal referrals and only eight cases of prosecutions what's going on. And each month that got worse and worse and worse, collectively, we got over a thousand felony prosecutions. Justin, cases designated. As major by the Justice department. The FBI had a thousand agents looking into all those SNL referrals almost fifty five hundred criminal investigations thousand criminal prosecutions eight hundred plus convictions tros getting junior his Lincoln savings and loan cost taxpayers almost three and a half billion dollars. David paul. He was sentenced to eleven years in prison for his role in the one point seven billion dollar collapse of centrist, Bank, a thousand SNL prosecutions all the federal agencies combined in the great financial crisis. The two thousand eight financial crisis made fewer than a dozen criminal referrals. Let me say that again a thousand prosecutions during the savings and loan scandal less than a dozen criminal referrals during the financial crisis between the S and L scandal and our crisis in two thousand eight there is one more thing. One more bit of history that we need to give you so you can understand why nobody going to jail for the financial crisis in the great recession was so unusual. Good evening. The stunning collapse of Enron Enron was the financial crisis before the financial crisis a scandal that in two thousand one corporate governance and accounting fraud once again in the headlines, the giant energy trading company that went quickly from being a darling of Wall Street and a major player in American politics to the subject of a federal criminal investigation and runs Britain butter was building power plants and natural gas pipelines. It became much better known though and much richer because of its creativity it wound up doing everything trading, broadband, commodities and data management. It was named America's most innovative company by fortune magazine. Six years in a row, but it was all sham. Big accusation against Enron is its use of shady partnerships to high debt a sham powered by creative. Accounting day. Top company executives said, I am incredibly nervous that we will implode in a wave of accounting scandals. And it did in December two thousand one after sending most of its Houston workers home shortly after noon today Enron says it'll notify them whether or not they ever have to come back after filing for the largest US. Bankruptcy case in history yesterday twenty thousand jobs in two billion dollars in employee retirement funds just disappeared on Wall Street today. The new York Stock Exchange suspended trading in Enron stock and said, the company securities were no longer suitable for trading. The regulatory weak link that time was corporate accounting standards. So the Justice department set up the corporate fraud task force Paul Peletier was part of that crackdown. But you to he was acting chief of the fraud section in the criminal division at the department of Justice in all he was a federal prosecutor for twenty seven years. The Enron task force was based out of the fraud section. And what happened was in two thousand two began the corporate fraud task force the corporate fraud task force was designed to both mission is train and empower prosecutors how to prosecute this new type of accounting fraud, which hadn't been prosecuted before the department of Justice at such a high level, and and and certainly hadn't been postured to the death that it was occurring out there in the market as a result of all the prosecution's. We did vote in the fraud section and nationally crossed the country we've prosecuted in excess of seven hundred and fifty executive. That had participating in the counting Fahd scandals that occurred early two thousands during what people would call the Enron prosecutions Enron type prosecutions virtually every top executive at Enron was indicted, most went to prison former Enron chief Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling were convicted Thursday of conspiracy to commit securities and wire fraud Jeffrey Skilling, by the way was just released from prison after twelve years last week. So here we are at the doorstep basically of the financial crisis of two thousand and after the S and L scandal and Enron. It was a pretty well established template for dealing with financial crisis investigate prosecute were called for update the rules and regulations and watch out for the next time. The American economy collapsed in two thousand millions of people lost their jobs and their homes lives and institutions were changed in ways that endure to this day, but nobody went to jail so tomorrow in part two of the story. What chain? What changed? Indeed, we will tell you over the next couple of days there is more by the way on the history of financial crises character list of the people you're gonna hear from tomorrow and Thursday a recommended reading list as well if you really in bishop's also you can hear the whole three part series right now. It's at marketplace dot ORG. There is some non jail news on this Tuesday. But I do the numbers. Kind of appropriate right? Sad music down down thirty three points about at ten percent today. Closed at twenty six thousand fifty seven the NASDAQ slipped five points less than a tenth percent. Seventy five forty-nine. Yes. And p five hundred down to barely changed really twenty seven and ninety three homebuilders stubble. Government figures released this morning show. Fewer homes built last month in at any time in the past two year, DR R Horton in the polcy group chipped off four tenths percent. Lenore pushed down three tenths percent, Macy's moved up. 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Though is what's news the governor of New York Andrew Cuomo, and the mayor of New York City, Bill the Blasio who are none too. Fond of each other, by the way, have found common political ground on something called congestion pricing. They want to charge drivers yet to be determined fee when traveling through Manhattan's central business district, the southern end of the island, basically below sixty first street ish or. So the money, and here's why we mentioned it is going to go to fixing New York's beleaguered subway system, and the whole idea of congestion pricing could be a revenue model for other cities as well. Marketplace's Tracey Samuelson has that one. Actually been kicking around the idea of congestion pricing for years. Traditionally it's a tax to change behavior to push people to drive at off peak hours when the fees lower and roads are less busy or maybe forgo the drive altogether. People to other modes bikes scooters transit's buses, etcetera Alec spine heads the institute of transportation. Studies at UC Berkeley, not only maybe Bush people would also make sure that while they're on the road in a motorized vehicle, essentially, they will be spread more efficiently in New York. This is also about generating revenue for the city's transportation authority, and it's ling- subway system. Patching those vehicles to improve the transit system to give people alternatives to driving is a good thing. Stevens like man is a transportation consultant in Chicago, he warns getting buy in from residents is important as is figuring out the right pricing scheme New York's plan still has to be approved by state lawmakers. If it moves forward other cities will be watching says Mitchell moss. Director of the NYU Rudin center for transportation, drafted New York led the way with banning smoking at the city's going to say is this a revenue system, which we can use to finance our own infrastructure cities, like Los Angeles and Chicago are already looking into congestion pricing programs of their on. I'm Tracey Samuelson for marketplace. There is a corporate story of note today. Homedepot reported disappointing fourth-quarter sales this morning said CEO Greg Mesnier about the last couple of months. It was cold. It was snowy and perhaps worst of all. It was wet blaming weather in part for weaker sales. Mo that's been in the home improvement playbook for years as marketplace's and dealer explains. Home depot's fourth quarter, cover the months of November December January a period when meteorologists were throwing around terms like polar vortex and telling people brace for lots of snow and rain Hannah Hayes at Kantar consulting says often retailers use the weather as a scapegoat. But I think what you think about this base in particular. It is really UB because. It can have impact we tend to think of farming and ranching is being more susceptible to weather than retail. But Home Depot says people don't do as much home improvement even on the inside of their homes when the weather's cruddy, but Laura champagne and analysts at loop capital says it's not just the weather that's to blame for home depot's underwhelming sales less than one percent of the miss on weather in that does make sense, but they missed by more than one percent. She says Home Depot recent miss is more about the slumping housing market than wet weather. And no matter the weather, Home Depot may be in for a tough go. We're at the start of a cyclical shift in that something that the housing data point to is. Well, it's typically not a blip. It's typically more than one or two years of tougher results from the Home Depot, but the weather can also be a boon to home improvement stores. Home depot's sales. Typically, spike when people have to rebuild after hurricanes and other natural disasters. And the retailer says it's investing in technology. The forecast the weather which helps it know what products to stock how much and win. I mean dealer for marketplace. This final note on the way out of follow up to the interview weird yesterday with former fed chair Janet Yellen. The news making part of which went like this. Do you think the president has a grasp of macroeconomic policy as it happens? Current chair Jay Powell scheduled for some testimony this week on Capitol Hill, the Senate banking committee was this morning. Senator Sherrod Brown. Never grad of Ohio had a question. Thank you. Thank you again for being here. Karen, Paul yesterday, your predecessor Janet Yellen said, she doesn't think President Trump has a grasp of macroeconomic policy is she right? I won't have any comment on that for Senator. All right. I guess I'm not surprised. Well, there you go. If you happen to have missed that interview with Janet Yellen, or if we're going to be preempted tomorrow where you live for that. Michael Cohen hearing that's happening up on Capitol Hill. You can catch it on our podcast. All right. We're going down down thirty three today about a tenth percent. Nasdaq off five less than two tenths percent S and P five hundred basically unchanged are digital and on demand. Team includes Janet win or Oxman. Barbara platz. Brian Ron Han. Arjuna Soriano, and Tony Wagner Sarah to use the executive director of digital star Neves is our executive director of on demand. I'm KAI Ryssdal. We will see tomorrow, but. This is APN.
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