19 Episode results for "Hollywood park"

Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 10/21/20--Guest George Ortuzar

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

42:27 min | 9 months ago

Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 10/21/20--Guest George Ortuzar

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for horse, racing, News, interviews, wagering discussions, and more. Here's your host. Jason Be. Around a good Wednesday morning y'all commend into the Jason Bay racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. It is Wednesday October the twenty. It is the final week of keeneland getting getting ready to go going till Saturday, of course, Churchill opening up on. Sunday superior. Keelan Fan. This is your last chance to get it for. What we can have until it comes back on Breeders Cup, Friday and Saturday still trying to decide how we're going to do Breeders Cup here on the show I have to make A. Quick run home. For a couple of days the week I guess the week before peters caps then won't affect me. So never mind it's next week I gotta try to figure out schedules and what have you put that we'll figure out some fun stuff I want to show kind of like I, did last year ahead you know four or five people kind of involved in the Breeders Cup to do like little quick quick interviews I thought that was kind of fun. So we'll. We'll do something like that. Maybe we'll do a round table of some sort or just just kind of keep it as normal and you know I I understand that on an der. Obviously different for me because you know the show's sponsor twin spires. So we talk a lot about it, but I know sometimes when there's a big event of some sort coming up that you know. The coverage there's so many shows and they're so many websites and platforms. You can kinda get beaten over the head with talking about one race or one day, and so I don't want to do that. So but we also it's Cups One of our big events of the year in the world of horse racing. So I definitely want to pay it. The amount of time and attention without. Being over the head with it. So I I did see that they started to release the nominations and the contenders and I gotTA. Admit I'm I'm pretty intrigued about the classic this year even though there isn't the quote unquote, you know big favourite dominant superstar like to me. It's just such an interesting race on a number of levels and you have some horses Kinda going the right way and some maybe not going the right way. In terms of form and they're all going to be coming together in one of our biggest races of the year and I really think you can make a legitimate case for a lot of horses in here. Certainly improbable is the biggest current upswing horse. As we talk about this race, you know two weeks out. But you know Thomas ties is coming into the race pretty sharp. It's the laws coming off a defeat I. think he's a little bit of a mystery for for this particular classic and to me that adds a little more intrigue right like if he was just steamrolling into this is a triple crown winner and Winning by five lengths. Maybe it's a different story. You Got Authentic who is obviously coming off of to really really good races. Yes. With skydiver who beat him I you know, of course, they haven't decided for sure what they're going to do they're they're they're in both because of winning winning your races. But by my standards, you know happy savers jumped up into that conversation global campaign Midcourt Tacitus obviously a little blue off that rose but you know and then maximum security I mean what? I feel like maximum security has just been. I don't want US I certainly don't want say forgotten but like you know from by going out west and everything that happened earlier in the year with his connections and stuff like he just seems like he's kind of been away from the main radar of. The Breeders Cup preparations but but that's not true because he just got beat by improbable. WHO's thought of by some as you know, the potential favored the race. So You know what to make of maximum security. Some of it might just depend on who else goes and and what the paces like I don't think maximum security wants I don't think he wants any part of the mile quarter if he's if he's Kinda headed and you know and has to really work the whole way. But we shall see I mean. I think because of bathroom just because of his name I mean he's he's going to carry some weight at the windows I'd be very curious to see kind of an early morning line. On the classic right now, I mean it's because I'm I to me I think improbable in Tom's Day tar the not the laws GonNa take a lot of me. I. I really don't know I would love to see a morning. If you guys have opinions on who thinks can be favorite, I would love to hear him Jason. Charles G DOT COM. You know, of course, some of the other races, the the gene staff I think long gene is sponsoring the three. Biggest races, the bottles gene recently I I've. I've kind of become a watch guy in terms of learning about them. I used to have a really nice watch I, don't know if you have if any read my book southbound. There was a watch in that story. That was true. I. Had a Nice Tag Heuer watch that my mom gotten me and I got rid of it for cash and. I always regretted that and in recent months I remember thinking you know. Maybe I'll try to get a nice watch again you know doing all right and everything, and so I bought like a twenty dollar watch on Amazon. Literally, Twenty Dollar Watch and wore it for a couple of months just to see. How do I do I wear a watch and I did and so I said Okay and I remember Lon jeans obviously sponsored a lot of the racist here and I just liked the design and look of their watches more than a lot of the other. Brands of comparable price and reputation in Swiss ingenuity. So I got one I. I really love it. It's it's a nice. It's a nice watch I'm happy about. But yeah. So there's sponsoring I believe the three big ones. Know and Swiss skydivers certainly, I have to think she looms as a a pretty. Clear second choice to monoploy garage. In staff this year you know in the classic I mean, what is she going to be there scabby double digits right And so I mean but my girl is is pretty outstanding and really what Brad Cox's done with monoploy girl is, is nothing short of pretty incredible because I had even said when she was coming back like you know if you're to try to beat this horse might be a good time coming off layoff often. Maybe, not solely a distance that she completely wants and what have you. But boy, she's just come back into still form and you know done by a road that last race with her allergist and stuff I mean that was such an odd race. And so I'm inclined to be a little forgiving her but we're we're getting ahead of ourselves still got a little ways to go. Until the the Breeders Cup I did reverse the schedule a little bit. This week. Georgia Zara was going to join US TOMORROW IS GONNA. Join US TODAY TRAVIS BOERS MMA. Who? Owns and operates grants pass where I work is going to be on tomorrow a few different reasons for that. The main one being that Giorgio interview is a little bit longer and the Travis one is a little bit shorter and I want to have more time on horse player Thursday to talk about some horse player stuff and I just thought that that would be a better thing and record the George interview on Monday. So I have it. And we're just GONNA do that. So I'm very excited talked to George O. AND reminisce a little Hollywood park. We'll talk about his career growing up and racing. We'll talk a little bit about working out Santa Anita and much more. He was actually in when I talked to abusing like Michigan Mike on a vacation or something. So we'll get to George here in a in a few minutes. I do want to touch a little bit on the Keeneland Cart, day Mostly. Because there was a couple of interesting horses I thought a for Wednesday card, the Fifth Racist Forty Thousand Dollars claimer and I noticed that intrepid heart you might remember from the Belmont. Twenty nineteen I actually was third and the Peter Pan you know he's kind of a good todd pletcher up and coming type while he's you know they dropped him into the claiming ranks and he got claim but it was voided last time out. So I think you have to. If you're avoiding claimed like don't you have to go to the bench for a while and do some works I don't know how a lot of that stuff works you know with. Claiming rules and all that kind of things. But I'm assuming they can't void the claim and then just let the horse run a week later because, why would the claim avoid it because it's generally for injury you're you know something so but they voided it for fifty now the horses in for forty two and a half months later and his five to two on the but he's also coming off two wins the the void claim is what's holding me up here 'cause he won for a higher claiming price at Saratoga you know last time out when that claim was voided and so it's it's clear that I think they know they you know our The. Horses not going to be with him but you know I don't know that that kind of weird me out and then. Harvey. Wall. Bangers in here who was claimed for forty last time out you might remember Harvey Wall, Banger, he's run those two huge races at Gulfstream Park What was it? Was It the Fountain of Youth that he won. He won one of the big three year. Old Races may was earlier maybe it was the Holy Bull. I think maybe I don't remember but and then he came back in won an optional sixty two at Gulfstream early this year where he made like insane rally up the rail under Corey Lowery. And got the win. An and then they try the hope and it didn't go so good. Now, he subsequently ran kind of went down the ladder a little bit too lifted stakes to optional sixty, two, five to forty thousand and he was literally beat seventy links. Last time he was eased, but he takes money each time. And so he gets claimed by grant forster. Pirates, punch fame and we love. Coronary, gets back on board which I thought was interesting just because he was on for that insane up the rail win. And Harvey Wall Banger six to one in this spot at Keeneland I felt low cure. Your horses run a second keeneland from three starts but nothing. Nothing incredible, and then in the six race turf allowance pass the plate is the two one favourite in here for Paul McGee who was a horse I thought was going to be like a really legit. And by the way, he's he's a fine horse he's made one, hundred, sixty, thousand and. Run some good racist but you know after his allowance winner. Churchill. In his third start I remember thinking man this this horses the goods and they tried him in stakes company on the dirt against finite and I think I think that was the race pretty shitty ran forth. and Sh- she ran okay she was sixth but only beaten four and a half lengths it wasn't After a bad start, it wasn't terrible. They go back to the grass in a series of listed stakes and she runs a second third. Try The regret graded event. She loses to Harvey's of a goal by to who we know what Harvey Little Oil did in the Queen Queen Elizabeth. Indiana grand over yielding course, and she didn't run a step so. I'm really curious to see if she can kind of rebound I mean her last work was very, very fast thirty five and change for three furlongs and so you know maybe they are they intent on. 'cause she's she dropped so far back I just I'm curious what that last little blowout if they're maybe hoping for a little more speed, Peru is thought of as an off the pace typewriter I think. But boy, he's having a cold Keelan to one for forty four. Jelena's with six seconds and nine thirds but that is A. Chilly for July seems like an also in that race Paula Lobo has seadream Joe Talamo and Paulo have been having a very good meat of course with our in the big. Event but. It seems like I've seen Powell's horses I know yet another one that went on over the weekend and they seem to be a teaming up furry some good racist right now. So curious to see if that one can do something good here on our our Wednesday at keeneland. So let's take a short time out. We come back. You're going to join us in. We will do that right after this commercial break. It is a Wednesday edition of the Jason Beam, horse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. 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Here on the Jason Be Moore's racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Pleased to welcome our next guest staple of southern California racing for the last couple of decades whether it was the longtime marketing manager at Hollywood park, Jacks agent, radio television host and much much more very excited to welcome in George are to the show George. How are you? It is a pleasure beyond your show JC, the man I've always heard you hire guide and The IT straight I'm actually a michigan middle of nowhere in the country. I didn't know they. Let you know they let you out of La County. Not, the jail, but the county, the county. I needed special permission like the the county officials. Let me offer a week but up here he like literally who knows where I am just surrounded by farmland I I just saw this gigantic cat like chasing a chipmunk and then there's deer running around. Right now there's a cat on the tree looking for prey. It's just a crazy thing I I'm in a totally different worlds. No Kid I appreciate you coming on. There's lots I wanna ask you about I. saw you were you guys were doing a contest this weekend at Santa Anita are are you one of the lucky few who who still gets to go in there right now for races or you still watch it from home like the rest of us? I feel incredibly fortunate because I am definitely allowed into the track and it's a little bit surreal to walk around the track and see the race and like almost nobody there there's maybe a hundred people total and it is a very, very cool But you know I missed that atmosphere that ambience they want to get from people screaming at their horses you know usually. The fans going nuts and stuff. So but it's so you know I getting a chance to get in there and hopefully by the you know when we opened in December twenty, six we'll be able to get fans in hopefully this thing died down a little bit but very fortunate to be in there and watching the horserace I didn't think about that. That's GONNA be real strange. The opening day because that day is you know there's forty fifty thousand there, right? Yeah that's usually you know if if not our biggest one of our biggest days. So hopefully, we'll be able to let fans back in by then but we'll see I mean this thing is. Certain certainly lasted a lot longer than I thought he would. I remember telling my mom in the spring like look it's going to be a couple months and she was like. Three weeks it's going to be till like June and then all of a sudden our like maybe next. I really thought it was gonNA blow over in a few weeks to now. Don't worry about it. Everything's good. I'll be back over there. Not No man. It's it's Kinda. Crazy. But we're very fortunate that they viewed horse racing as kind of essential thing because when you look at a racetrack, there's it's whole little world. You know there's there's there's people that have that they have to take care of again what's not like Okay. We're GONNA take a break from this job. This, these are living breathing. Creatures animals that have to be taken. Care of they have to be said, they have to be paid there have to be worked. So you know we're kind of fortunate for a while they're the only sport in in America that was running and I think it really opened up an opportunity for a lot of people to see the great exciting sport that when you know that we see every day and we absolutely love and I think that we you know got a lot of fans because of I've had I sent. My boss, a copy I've I've probably had a dozen emails in the last couple of months of people who say, Hey, I love the show I got into racing over the thing and then I've had a few who have said back into racing when the when everything was shut down. One thing I mean racing certainly can use to its advantage as. A you know the animals situation as you mentioned, it's a necessity to have them here, and if they're here, we may as well run. But also you know there's an agricultural tie into it and a lot of the agricultural economy for some reason legislators. They love that like they love agricultural. And I've noticed that. When It gets into trouble I've noticed that the agriculture car gets played quite A bit Georgia's joining us here on the program. How did you first get into horse racing was the something your family was involved energies kind of stumble into it on your own. Now, man I was a little kid in my entire family uncles father mother, all of them every one of them degenerate gambler. I didn't have any family members that disliked to go into the track. They would take me to the racetrack to the dog track Jai Alai I mean we Kids thinking into the track. Who is a? It was a Lotta. Fun to go with them when I really got into it I got a job at a attic. UNIVISION is Hispanic then. station and I was under contract to them. I. Couldn't do. They wouldn't allow me to work anywhere else and I was only working one day every ten days. So I'd have nine days off and those entire nine days I was up to track. Like I really came well aware I bought a racehorse involved tree. They got involved with jockeys. I really learned a lot about the business then while I was working at univision but I've been going to the track of my entire life and it's just been the love of my life. I mean I gotta say that horse racing without question now that I look back at my life, it's been the love of my life and I'm sure it's going to continue. Until they put me six feet under I. Know Your phone numbers of Miami Area Code was that where you came up. Yeah. I mean for seventeen years I lived in Manhattan used to not be we used to not be on seventy second street and we go to like yonkers raceway and see the trotters in yonkers but really when I was seventeen he moved to Miami and I lived there for like twenty two years and that's where I really you know got involved in my first job ever was it highly apart my first job, my my first paycheck from Hialeah and that and Its Heyday there was no more beautiful track than highly it was just stunningly beautiful and It was a pleasure to to to be able to go there to work every day. You know I've been thinking a lot of the Gulfstream Park West, slash called her you know this is kind of their last season and I know it's not what it was but you know having gotten to go down there. The last couple of years to fill in for I've gotten to go visit highly Highly even walking into it now, which it's a poker room with a grandstand, it's basically. Like the track outline is still there but like just the architecture and the trees and everything like that. I can't even imagine what it was like with a full crowd there you know in the nineties, all the great Miami dressing the. Outfits that go on down there like I have to imagine it was just surreal. I mean, they had an easy airy they had reptiles and one of them. A bunch of birds the ivy on the walls were stunning the entrance. On the champ movies like the Champ parts of the Godfather and then the racy was top notch I mean has some of the you know going into the lingo that was like some of the best of euros in the country were running. And it was it was really beautiful but Hey you know I'm working in a beautiful track right now. Stunning do you see the backdrop with the with the mountain and still? It never fails to impress me every time I go there go. Gosh. This. Is just amazing. It's just wonderful I. Remember my when I walked in there with my dad for the first time he said this is a racetrack. We had long acres up here which was amazing in doubt is nice and everything. But like I remember walking that he goes now this is a race track and I was like Every time I walk into Santa Anita now I think about that now I i. Knew of you from from Hollywood park how did the job come up there to work in marketing? So. Funny. Because I was I thought I was working for universe. Yeah and then I. Don't know where they laid me off. I was totally taken aback and and they. I was working with Sophia regard at the time. A couple other like people that you like and they they lead every one of us off. Any direction. You you know fiery me but Kofi have a gardener. What are you? Crazy? She went on to be great. So I went and moved from Miami La to become an actor and on weekends I was like maybe you know 'cause I don't really have any incumbent Lemme apply for a job at. Hollywood park? And they hired me right away and before you knew it, they were like you know a lot about horse racing. Yeah and then next thing I know like the marketing manager. Says Great. Rails my acting career but you know. If you love what you're doing. Then, you're not working day in your life and I absolutely loved working at the track and get involved in the marketing and I did a bunch of commercials. Public Relations and it was so exciting and then I got to work with staffer who I had known from. Hialeah they we evacuating the day and I thought he was you know. He was one of the best checking us as I've ever heard. I gotTa meet this Guy Kinda meet this guy and so I did get to meet him and we we hit it off really well then again to be working together, how park was really cool and I was just loving it so. My acting career went. Down the tubes but it starting my horse racing career man I've had the privilege of doing so many jobs it horse racing I absolutely loved it. I remember when I went to Hollywood park I think it would have been two thousand and nine or so and and you actually gave me a little too around the place and you took me up to tim see vic and I hung out with Victor the whole card and I remember you had called at one point he would always just put the people that called on speakerphone and you would just call hey, can we? Do this that the other whatever and he said Oh. Yeah. No worries and so he hung up but he didn't hang up like he he hit the wrong button or something and I told him I said Hey George was real. Nice. Got Me all set up and everything and vic victim Georgia's fantastic. I love George and you were still on the phone because he never hung up and then you elvis said, hey, thanks, vic. And I remember I, remember go and see George, that's how you know I'm not bsn you sucked in. Along. We get along real good and then, and then to see you have done so well. Hats off to you I. Love at to your calls. I love that whole even overnight I wish it was an Alleged Fun to follow DV. Yeah I know. They'd just they ran their course. That's that's my. Take. Lots of stuff to do wonderful. Wonderful. Continued be wonderful. Working Hollywood park obviously you were there for for I. Think what twelve years or something you get to witness some amazing things on the track while working there lava man's and Yada, I mean, the list goes on do you have some favorite moments from your time at the track there? Yeah well, I became really good friends for whatever reason with Doug O'Neill like of all the trainers I mean we used to hang out to play basketball together at least to run around the track together. So that whole Lavaman era was just ex so exciting to be a part of it you know having. Such a good relationship with the trainer you know and we're really close still really close but that was exciting and lava man did send mccray was saying when he won by a nose that they. Ridiculous it was so exciting. And another thing is I was delayed on. Four in Yada so if you were a fan and you want to go season you. To go through me. And I would take you. I would take you back there and I would escort people back there to to be was in Yada Yada obviously. has done some unbelievably remarkable things on attract. But off. The track. The love that she created for fans was like none of ever seen the fans that I took back there. All my Gosh, they were. They were like the they felt like they were able to look at and touch royalty, and then you ought to never disappoint you. It was good that little foot thing you know she did with her foot for the fans and John sheriffs was so nice and that whole thing Yada. You know run for me was so special because you like terrel owens came to see her and he was funny because he he showed up a most wagging book. Out of this car comes gigantic. Both funny and he went back to and he was like a little kid. He couldn't believe it was looking at and being able to the Dada. I mean the which she inspired track. Of course, I'm GONNA track ridiculous. I mean she was a pleasure to be around that hosing Yada thing. So fortunate to be able to be the guy that would take you back through these not every and we seem like every day somebody was not. So it was very special. Being doing race track marketing. I've done a little of it when I was a portland and I feel like everybody every fan every better every they all think they're marketing experts, and if they were in charge, the stands would be packed. What was some of the hardest things about doing racetrack marketing? Oh my gosh. You're there on the head everybody's an expert and they would always tell me and not only would they expert you for a fact that you were doing it wrong is what you're doing. anyways, you guys don't know what you're doing I would. Definitely. Put it this. You know. but Yeah. You can get putting up with that and then You know every every now Dan you come across. Somebody that. That didn't love horses every now, and then they would hire somebody like this guy doesn't a horse race he but he was in charge. Coca Cola and those guys'll acted like a month and a half you know because. This is a whole different. Mu-. Marketing? Just, a a widget. You weren't getting something. That's that's so special to the people who love it and and T to try to get people. To become fans. Have to get them to love this sport. So love the animals to love the reason I love the competition and stuff. So the gambling sometimes the people who didn't. Yeah. The Guy who didn't appreciate you know. Like they they were. He was killing Coca Cola but this was you know he didn't release as tough to get that across. But those guys usually lasts longer people who lasted the longest that people like meet Newbie at Santa Anita who plays the horses who's been involved in horse racing who lousy sport his passion you know it's so easy to work with with Megan twohey right now. So I'm very, you know very fortunate to work with him. So but you know working and I thought I was our job. During this whole pandemic. We have got to put this sport in a in a in a positive. bright. This is an opportunity. We're GONNA get somebody New People watching our sport. That was you know we've had to put our best foot forward and I think for the most part the horse racing community has George orchards are joining us here on the program. You also did some race calling, right? Like didn't you do the CAL Fares for a little bit? Yeah, it was funny because I started doing cal Everson Spanish the all color racist Spanish. First job ever as as a researcher collar and I thought I'd degraded Spanish and then I did a couple of English ones and I was okay I. Don't know why English is my first language but I always felt I was a much stronger caller in Spanish. But Anyway, I did something that works fine and then Opportunity to call at Hollywood park and what a disaster that. Ended my career. I think stop is like okay. You'RE GONNA call the last I heard you call raises a one hundred races because he's hanging there's the jockey. And he's like I am hundred. There too. And there was three buttons and he says he's I two buttons. You don't have to worry about those. I'm not even paying about those. Just make sure this third buttons on the buttons on your fine. And so and it was it was the first button was sound. on the track the second one with sound. over the Things around the country and the third was was. Both of them. So you turn on both of them were returning both. So I started calling the race as soon as I started to straighten. Mexican started yelling at me we can't. Say. and. I kept calling and they were like we don't hear you the phone rang I think in the middle of the call. At words you're saying. So halfway through the call I stopped I started looking at all the buttons on the third. Third Button on. So. What happened was I had turned off the value on the track. But not the volume on the TV set So Coming down the stretch and. Finished the race. It was a shame was at this point anyway, and right after the race is over the phone rings and it's my boss says, I didn't hear one word that you said. And then. I yelled out the F. Word. Say. Yeah The next call general manager we heard that. He's like, yeah, you're calling going to all the things. That embalm seeing tire. Magic here calling don't. Get Mad Man. Oh. Man. The infamous f-bomb call. I've heard it's legend, but never actually heard it. Man I mean apparently nobody's track area. By. My. Good. Now I was GonNa say my my worst one was that and I actually have the video and I put it up on my youtube. We were doing a grape eating contest downstairs between races like Iran down to the tote room and they had these huge California grapes and they were who could fit the most of them in their mouth at one time and so i. Feel like ten of them in my mouth. Eat them and ghetto upstairs. So they're going to the gate and all of the acid from the grapes is starting to burgle up and I'm like Oh man. So I, hit my mute button and I like let this ridiculously loud belch out. And I hear I hear I hear an echo from the Belch and I go what the Hell and all of a sudden I hear a guy downstairs go. and. I looked down and my mute button when I muted, it's it turns orange and it was bright green and just going Oh shit. I freeze up and then all of a sudden like after seven or eight seconds he my only response was. So the horses of reach the gate and here's the number four movie. I just went on like nothing happened and I was hoping like maybe just like the outside people you know heard when I went downstairs after the race is the entire bar. Gave me a standing ovation. It's just bound to happen at some point. I got I got a bit of a foul mouth sometimes until I always I have a little sign in the booth wherever I go. There's no swearing while you're in the room you know keep the phone off. It's just to remind me like just you know there's There's a microphone around. Hollywood park closes up. What did you do? Did you have plans already sex? Obviously you guys had kind of an an end date there with with the track. It was he was kind of a weird situation because I had grown to love Hollywood park so much you know with US air, and then there was a point especially towards the end I was a marketing manager, but there was nobody else marketing. So I was really the man in marketing because. everybody was quitting and leaving, and then they were like Georgia GonNa. Sandinista you could get a job at Santa Anita. And I was like, you know what? I WANNA go down with this ship I. WanNa stay here to the last day and they were like. You know all these other people are leaving. They're getting jobs. There's not going to be a job for you at Stanford either I'm like you know I just WanNa be here to the lab very last day and I was I was there in fact you've ladder when the last race and I was in the winning picture in the winner's circle for the very last race every. Right Right exactly. So. It was just you know I just felt so much love for Hollywood park. That I didn't want to leave to the last day every cost me because then. After that, it was really difficult for me to get a job And so we're like a little job. GonNa Job And it took me a while to get back in the Hispanic ambassador. So like a lot of translations Spanish and then they put me in a couple of seminars and so forth. you know I love being able to market it and promoted, and they have me doing that and I love it But you know that that that end of Hollywood park if I would have left earlier I probably would have been better off. It was so cool to to be there for the last day. You know I would assume that there's a large Spanish speaking fan base down in in southern California's at the case. It is, and then so I was very lucky that they that they kind of created this job for the job didn't exist before and so that was really nice and then now I mean, even daily more coming out with Ns by so they're kind of realizing hey, this is a. Market that needs to be taking care of. Address. So little by little I. Think you know more people are realizing it but you know, I, do some spending marketing. Marketing as well. So Uh It's very, very cool. I think there's a number of untapped markets that racing can continue to work at. So I'm glad to hear their one thing I want to ask you about to I know you did for a little while was you were a Jock Gagen. Right. That was really cool to be a tacky as. You know Vick sausage. The one that actually got me involved in the building California Fares and so Involved in as a jockey agent. And more. Here's what I I took Jackie differ seven years would I took out of it As a gambler because I love gambling. Trainers know less about hoses than we do. I. is going to be great. 'cause I'M GONNA get inside information. You know again about it the you better off. Your. We see trait we've seen trainers in recent years who were horse players I and I know Broberg, one of them and like you know reading the book is I, mean, that's part of being a horse player in a lot of them. I mean I've met trainers to who are they're clueless about conditions in the right spot and then they get mad when they're thirty to one of the morning I, you should be fifty to one. And that's A An angle handicapping that's you know seldom. Address. But I mean you can read the condition and you know this horse fixes conditions with the. That's a big advantage to it about maybe someone that you want the handicap. Horse v second perfectly. That's a big plus for that horse I was for a little while for very short while I was the agent for Rosario Jewelry. and. That was so much fun. I A lot of money. Say Should George. Yeah that was great. seconds US around the guy he went to. Like the first week that I was agent, he went to Santo Domingo to run in the race. It was a big stakes race. and was like nine to one. WELL HIS HORSE WINS And he it was a big. Hundred thousand dollar race. So he comes back I'm meeting him at the airport. And he gets off the plane and I go. I, do believe that you know that big race and he goes out to be goes. Eight? That's what I do. I do Hey Look. At he's got you know probably the one of the best agents of the country running innocent He's doing. He's doing great. George really appreciate you taking time for us and we hope you get back to California once they let you out of Michigan and. Partly funded Chapel. I the The united saying that keep up the great work in. Are. Back. After a short time out of to be more racy podcast brought to you by twin spires. This is the Jason Beam horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. Are Ab. Thanks the Giorgio for the conversation. Hope you guys enjoyed that man, the f-bomb story the infamous f-bomb still never heard it. I remember telling me that the retrospective of seventy five years Hollywood park they were. They were hoping to put that in there. They didn't but man, I would I. Would Be Fascinating to actually hear but God. That's just such my nightmare I mean obviously on the podcast have a pretty much complete control over everything that goes out and I have. Generally a few hours before it goes out to. Couple of hours before it goes out to decide if there was something, I didn't want to say and and I've tried there was one time. There was one time I can think of I'm not going to tell you what it was where I made a whole speech about something. At noon and at about four o'clock I chickened out on putting it out. Not because I didn't believe what I was saying not because I thought, I, would get in trouble. I just didn't want the. I didn't want the stress if anything did come from it. That makes sense. It'd be very vague about it for a reason but. You. Know whatever. But. Yeah like I think about that like with calling the racist 'cause I, use mute button quite a lot as apoe like the wireless headset that I have it's it's off mute or on whereas Gulfstream or colonial it's just off and on. But even having it off or on mute like when the headsets on. Usually, there's nobody up in the room so I'm not talking or or saint doing anything and and I'm not somebody who says things in my personal life that are really that offensive if they were to go out there but you know you don't WanNa slip away I mean I certainly will use language that's colorful. So. You know it's always a threat, the hot MIC, the hot Miami we. Thom Brennaman horrific statement at the baseball game the summer and yeah, you know I'd be shocked if we ever hear him behind a microphone ever again. And kind of deservedly. So honestly for for what he said but. Man It's. GotTa be careful. I. Always say, no, swear in the booth I had I had some friends came up to the grants path booth. On Monday night and I told them when they come in and say first of all, stay six feet away from me stay for that corner your masks on but also. No cousin and turn off your cell phones. The one time at Portland, my boss brought up a group and like I told him, I said just be quiet attorney something because it's tiny booth at Portland. I mean, it's like three feet deep by eight feet long maybe. And like halfway through the race. Some guy just like at full volume was Omay and mine's losing. Like Dude, there's a microphone on for God's Sakes. Anyway, it's good for George Coming on appreciative telling the story and appreciate his time appreciate your time. Thank you so much for checking out our show and the folks who listened to every day or three days a week or once a month. Really really do appreciate you tuning into our show very excited for Horse Player, Thursday tomorrow and a lot of stuff I want to talk about and going to have my my boss I, guess a guy that owns her runs grants, pass downs travis. going to be on the show tomorrow looking forward to having that conversation talk a little gop and we'll do that down the Thursday edition of the program. Thanks so much for listening. Everybody have a great Wednesday.

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Trainer Talk with Dan Azcarate

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Trainer Talk with Dan Azcarate

"Originating from Jimmy Johns of Lexington studios. This is trainer tall presented by facing? Tipton on verse racing radio everywhere real network, but it was both. But not in a game play wins the Donny tall assault. We'll get rid of Ashby career win number six thousand it was all of another Doug. I'm spoiled. Trader look as a six win canals? Rosie is gotta give trader Gary Contessa his two thousand career win on dialed in never gone to them. It was animal kingdom Graham Shen skied hobby with career victory number one thousand dollar fraud. Now, here's to feld. Good evening, everyone wherever you may. Be trainer. Talk is on the air. Tonight's broadcast. Sponsored by phasing Tipton is the show that trainers. Listen to this is Jude feld, and I'm very pleased to spend the next hour with you and our special guests. Tonight's trainer has been a friend of mine for over thirty years. His story is one of canasta weathering the ups and downs of our sport and never wavering in his love of thoroughbred racing. Twenty eighteen was a banner year for a stable and as we head into the new year. Hopefully, a harbinger of more success to come. Welcome to trainer talk. Danis garrity. Can we edit that first part? I mean, thirty years already. It doesn't seem like it. We've got out somehow. Yeah. Anyway, anyway. Yeah. Dude. It was it's good to hear your voice. Good to talk you happy new year and happy birthday all the horses to the northern hemisphere. I guess I'm they're all they all turned another. You're older yesterday. Yet thirty years is a long time, it it doesn't seem that long ago that we met and. Does it seem that long to you? Got it as you get older. It goes by so fast. Now, the years go by so fast, you know, Christina Oliveras who's Now, Dan blockers wife, she interviewed me one time at Hollywood park, and I go God. I remember when you were born. Thirty Now, Dan. And that's when I said the same thing, can we live can we? Yeah. It just it goes it goes by so fast. We had crystal mall on trainer talk one day. And and I kind of teased her about my brother putting in a night light in her room before she came home from the hospital. So she left. Did she tell you? She just sold on every pony the lady Gaga. No. Wow. That's great. Yeah. She she still alive for ponies. And I guess she went up to Malibu and lady Gaga comes out. And every game is, you know. And and it was she said it was very interesting meeting her. That's great Stephanie to her friends. That's that's something. I mean, we were very fortunate to be around for what I like to call the final furlong of the golden age of racing. I mean, San Mita, and yeah, we talk about it constantly like, you know, I see our chairman here every day, of course, the train or California chrome. We just go back, and we talk about the good old days. And and then when I go back up to Santa Anita. You know, I just I talked about everybody and he used to be in. The I wasn't there in the seventies, you know, eighties nineties. Those are the horses were great. There is forty thousand people at the races, you know, on the weekends. And it was it was so much fun to be there so much energy and all the greats. You know, all the great trainers. You know, we work with you. And I work with of course, dude with the winning ham, and and and Lucas, and you know. Man BUSTER mill Rick Willard, Proctor come and watch me. Play football with Bruce Headley. A great guy. You know, Mike adad to me, you know, so. Yeah. Bruce's another one we talked with him all the time. But it's heavily about the old days. You know, and yeah, I just miss that. You miss that so much. Yeah. That's true. Those little vignettes that Karen Headley puts on on Twitter. Just priceless. I mean, they're they're just great. Tell me that you know, I see Bruce one day. And he told me a story. You know, I'd seen three days later three days later. He told me the same story. You just have to you have to laugh still have to laugh just to make him happy. And and plus the stories were always great. Whether you've heard him one time or thirty times, there's still I don't I don't mind here. I don't mind him over and over there. Great. Yeah. You laugh again, you know. Okay. I love Bruce. You know? But yeah. Those were the good old days, you know. And and yeah, you definitely everybody misses him everybody in the jocks too. I mean, we had shoe Lafitte McCarron del who's the Stevens. I mean, I I always like to tell the story one time. I put Alex leases in all fame on Mr. houses, horses and in the horse. Got beaten knows and Mr. house got mad at me. About that. Now, you know, you kind of laughs about it. But but he was really upset. I couldn't get Dellucci or Stevens. You have your choice. You had twelve jockeys that are pretty much all hall of famers. That were were there that you had to choose from. And you know, I like to see, you know, Gary still around I see Martine but roses, so still writing, you know, and Coronado Kettani see every once in a while, you know, and I it makes you feel good that they're still kind of around. You know, it's it's it's it's still ties you to the good old days. No. And then I saw the thing. The other day said hi to him, and he was at the racist and everyone twice e-e-eddie del who's he come by. And you know, Eddie's such a great guy, and and I just love that these people are still around, and and he can say, hi and talk about the past. Yeah. Seals here. Ki-moon once in awhile. And and you know, we we talk about the old days to I guess, I guess we're all men now. So that's what we did. Back in the day. I call them grandpa. Come on. Well, I am too. So. Yeah. So it's fun there. It's it's it's fun. I just wish somehow he can go back to those days. What's your interest in thoroughbred racing? Well, you know, I was down playing actually I was on OJ Simpson softball team back in the early eighties down in LA. We were playing at at record par Roxbury park in Beverly Hills. And I was going to go to UCLA I wanted to play some football there. My dad knew the coach. So I was going to get in there. And and I played a little semi pro football down there. And then I got a call from Wally delays and everybody should know Wally. He's my uncle, and I'm sure with a little urging from my mom, you know, had them. Call me say come up and work at the Parme, Dan. What are you doing down there? You know? And so I, you know, I thought it over, and you know, I wasn't going to do anything that you really, you know, I didn't know what I was going to do in. You know, every time I made an error and get a base hit. I was worried about OJ gonna kill me kid. That's true. You don't kill me if I made an error. But. No Jay was a good guy. But I just say what am I going to do? So I decided you know, what I'm going to go up there. I'm gonna give it a try. So so I went up to the real vista. And it's asking where while the own that farm at the time was breeding, and he was he got two year olds ready for the two year old training sale down at Hollywood park. And I just went up there. I didn't know anything about horses and my first job there was grabbing a hammer and going out early in the morning and breaking the ice off of the water troughs out in the pastures, you know, because I didn't really know anything about horses. So that I guess that was a good job for me. And then I just hit and I just held broodmares all day long to get shot. And I did that you know, until they started they start, you know, until my to- healed my right toe because it got stepped on so much for not knowing anything. And I tell you that I still use that for people today. I said if a horse is going to step on your foot move it. This is a good idea. I learned that that my first year was at the farm. I learned that. And I still pass that on. I think this is a good advice. So. Yeah. So then I just kinda, you know, learn everything at the farm and move moved over to the on trading sale barn and got to know, you know, so break into horses over there. And then then, you know, I really I've always liked horseracing hours. Hiding the interest by never worked with horses. You know, being, you know, involved in all the sports out what he's watched the Kentucky Derby, you know, and everything and it just had an interest. So I when I got the pharma got real excited about it and just working with the animals outdoors. I mean, Scott, it's one of the best jobs you can have. And and so eventually we start doing the training sales down at the Hollywood park, and I would go down there and with the horses and then come back up, and you know, and eventually while he decided he wanted to get his trainers license. So we all moved down there. But I'm gonna tell you a quick story about Wally. If anyone knows him. He's you know, he's a very good horse. He's you know, he's very serious and everything and we used to have these barbecues in a softball game at the farm, you know, every once in a while. And while he just had surgery on his knee. And it was as big as a basketball. I mean, his right knee with his big as a basketball, and he'd always wanna play. But he just ended up. He was just going to be the pitcher was a softball game. He was just going to be the pitcher. And he makes an announcement. Okay. Everybody. The knee is off limits. They away from the knee. You know? And everybody's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. And dude the first pitch that he throws the guy hits a line drive off his right knee. And it trickles over to third base while they hit the ground so hard. He says, you know, what game over? Yeah. They it was a we laughed so hard. We still laugh when I tell Craig de LA z my cousin, Craig, we we still tell that story, and we laugh and laugh at that, you know. Works right L. Oh my gosh. He made the announcement. And it was the first pitch. It wasn't the fifth pitch. It wasn't the twenty the first pits ricochet right off his bad knee. And that was it. But that was such a oh my God. That was a great story. But while he was such a great horseman, obviously with all his great horses that he had a lot from him. And and and just when I got down to the racetracks down there, then Anita Hollywood park in del. Mar is just you just get hooked. And you can't get away from it. You know, I've tried a few times need is the always come back. It's it's gets in your blood. It's a lifestyle. I I saw your Instagram. You posted a picture of Delmore. He said where else would you rather be? I kind of laughed when I saw because I mean, that's the that's the feeling that you get. I mean, once you once you get there when you when Hollywood park used to be over, and you'd get you just kind of relaxed your horses did the same thing. And I said here in the studio now during during the summertime and do the afternoon shows, and you watch the the beach Cam from del mar you see the way in the sky is so blue. It's just incredible. And you just think to yourself man what I love to be there. Right. For you. I mean, you are always in shorts and a Hawaiian surf still. Becky where it's freezing cold. Yeah. Well, you always had the why Hawaiian shirt on and the shorts all the time. Yeah. So yeah. So you have to really miss the beach. So I get to go to Florida a few times a year in the wintertime, which I which I dearly love got a trip coming up at the end of this month for the Pegasus World Cup. So I'll be back in uniform. That's great. That's great. So Wally, you know, he he he sired three trainers Michelle, Amy and Craig right? I mean, he he's his in you. He's got a whole family and inspire you. But I mean your nephew. Yeah. He's my uncle and my learn from him, and obviously he taught Craig well, you know, because they're Craig's it had some great horses. Awesome gem. And as you know, who won the Beatles Cup, and Wally also, did you know, he wanted to Breeders Cup to and and Craig kind of followed his footsteps, and and yeah. And then Michelle she's down at San Louis right now. And she says she's taking care of Karla gains sources and Mandela's horses, and I think few of her own. See me she was working for Tom Proctor for a while. I don't know if she still does or not. Yeah. Tom, tom. He was working for Tom Graham motion. And I haven't talked to. I mean, I haven't seen her since I've been down here. Really? But I know Tom Parker would always tell me that he was scared to death over. Tom, and I were walking back from the gap at it's an Anita. And she saw Amy coming in Amy's his assistant trainer, and he goes, we we gotta go this way. We gotta go around here. I go white. There's Amy's coming this way. That's your assistant. Don't you need to know? I'm scared to death over. So we have to go all the way around the barn area. Avoid her. Hilarious. You know? Tom was afraid of anybody. Afraid of aiming. You'll you'll pay the most in your life. You'll say Amy the lot. I'll have to call him out when he come up forgiven. They made such a sweet thing. You know? She's great. I love. I love him. She's she's a great horsewoman. And she's a she's just fun to be around. We all grew up together at the farm. You know? So again a lot of memories out out there. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. In case. You're just joining us. This is Jude failed. And you're listening to train her talk with Dan, a scaredy. So you you you left the form you came to the track. What what was the catalyst or what made you decide that you wanted to be a trainer. Well it. I'm very competitive. I played all the sports in my life. You know? And I and I'm very competitive, and I just I thought man, you know, I'm not going to be a pro athlete, you know. And so here's the next best thing, I can train, you know, athlete and win races and be competitive in the whole sport. And that's how this is great. You know, and and and I just I just said, I gotta get my translucent. I gotta get my. I wanna be in the system, which you know, I really think back in the day of back. I should have been in assistant for a while for somebody like most of these young trainers, come up. Now, they've been assistance top trainers. And they're very successful. But I just didn't have the patience. I just wanted to go and get my trainer's license and get some horses and train them. I just I couldn't wait. I couldn't wait. I was counting the days before I can do that. So so I got my trainer's license. And and I just I just wanted a few owners I didn't want a big bar. You know, I just wanted a few owners view good owners and just have fun with horses. I didn't care if it was a ten thousand dollar claimer would say we're back in the day. Like ten is the bottom there. And you know, I think the ten thousand dollars claimer twelve five, you know, or maybe twenty I was like, wow. And twenty claimer that was big for me, you know, back then I didn't care to win a race. I had just as much of his real winning that race. And then, you know, an allowance race, you know, just because you you fall in love with these animals, and and and you you get to know him so well, and and just to see a win in front of forty thousand people at Santa Anita cheering, you know, it's not like that anymore. Of course. But, you know, everybody cheering for your horse. Go down the stretch. Everybody. Congratulated he knew it's hits fun. You know? Yeah. No. There's there's nothing like women race. We we talked about it a lot on this program. And you know, if you if you could bottle that feeling you could be zillionaire. Fortunately, I have puzzled. And that's why I'm still here plugging away. I finally got my first day off in the last year last week at Christmas. I took a day off. Everybody's like where were you? And my my one owner that I've had for three years now. He's a great owner. He was like the first time I've seen you take a day off since you've been my trainer. You know? You just this is what you wanna be. You know, says let's go to Hawaii. Let's go do this. No. I just wanna stay with the horses. You know? And and I I love that up. And I and I it's it's it's weird. If anyone's ever, I'm sure all the trainers at you talked to or anybody listening right now. There's a trainer they know. What I'm talking about dictating, obviously, you know, you were trainer. It's very addicting. And you can't get away from it. You know, sometimes I'll go to bed at seven o'clock at night because I can't wait to get back in you know, to the barn in the morning. Yeah. No, it's it's it's a great feeling when you can get up, and you can't wait to get to work. And I was lucky enough to to have that feeling for for twenty years. I mean, it was always so exciting to me to to get up and go to the barn. I couldn't wait to get there. And you know, and it's funny because you get you get into the routine you do the same thing every morning. You get the newspaper out of the box. You walked your barn. You put the coffee pot on. You know, you go over yesterday's charts. Do all this stuff. And then you go look at the horses. And and you're doing the same thing every day three hundred sixty five days a year, and you just can't wait to get their most people would be bored. Stiff. Right. And you can't you can't wait back there. Especially after you wanna race. That is always the best feeling when the next morning after you just wanna race. And again, it doesn't matter what kind of race. It was he won. Everybody's congratulating you and it's just a good feeling. You know, you can't wait to get to the barn. See that horse. And then get the other ones where I need to win. And I it's there's no better feeling addicting. And you know, we've been here, you know, on top. You know, I've known you for thirty years. Now, you said, and and and you know, I I see some of the same people here at LA Salle that I was at Santa Anita with back in the eighties. There's still here. There's some of them still galloping. You know, it's crazy. They're in their fifties. And they're still galloping or or now, they're they're grooms. Our assistant for somebody. You know, they can't leave the business. You know? Dick thing and I only had two vacations in in twenty years. And I spent one of those vacation days in the. Agua Kellyanne bookie shop in Kabul, San Lucas because at three horses running. So I went to the bookie shop and watch my horses run. And that was like torture. You know, not being not being at the track watching your horses run from afar. Especially you know, I had a small stable to as you know, when when you're that close with your horses like that. It's it's like, you know, you just want to be there. So I had to go to Vegas one time for friends wedding. And I just couldn't wait to get to the books. I went to and I had a horse running. So I I was like I was killing me that I wasn't there. So I went over to the Caesar's book, you know, back then we didn't have it on our phones and every week. And so I'm watching it at the season book in my horse win the race. And the guy next to me. I had that trade and he'd never win. Yelling, you know. Lizzy? No trainer was sitting right? Did you say anything? My heart is what I want to. The making of the gamblers, you know, you know, like, no back. He, you know, they know everything about your horses. You know, they're just as passionate as we are. You know, the people that gamma like, oh, you're Danis Garrity. Oh my God. You know back in nineteen ninety two. Thought it was a fourth race new had a horse, and blah, blah, blah, and it was seventy two and you won by four and a half lanes. And I'm like, yeah. Had really that happens. These guys they remember they remember everything they'll tell you the program number the whole nine yards. I was coming. Yeah. I was coming back from del mar. And the guy in the TSA line. He he looked at my ticket and my driver's license. And he goes. Your Jude feld. And I said, yeah. Any the trainer, and I go I used to train horses. He goes, oh my God one del mar. And he goes into this long story, right? Which was great. I was loving it. But the line is getting stacked up behind me and people are going who is this guy. What did he do? Why does we have is papers in order, right everybody. Looking at me. Like like, I wanted to haul me out a line, and this guy's going on and on and on. And I finally kinda just had to tell him. We got we got we're holding up. He goes, I guess we'd better embarrassed. Then you appreciate it that people do, you know, they they do remember this stuff in and they're passionate because without them. What would where would it? Where would we be? No, I I love him. I love the people people. Remember, they cast ticket on one of my horses or whatever. But I had a similar situation to you. And I remember when Santa Barbara was the only place you could go to bet San Francisco. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I had to horses in the night cap it at Golden Gate fields. And my my brothers in. My brother marks brother-in-law. We all drove up there to watch these horses run. They all had pieces of the horses or whatever. So so we're sitting there last race. We've we've got killed all day long. We had almost no money left. We made my brother Mark, keep fifty bucks out for McDonald's on the way home. And then we all bet the rest, and this guy sitting there telling his girlfriend what a betting coup that Jude felts pulling off here and he had the whole race setup. And we are just dying laughing 'cause like, I got ten bucks left. And and my brother Bob's got like ten or twenty and between all of us. We didn't even have one hundred dollars. And here we are engineered this great betting coup where we're gonna make thousands of dollars, and he's telling his girlfriend, you know, what a crook. I am and all this jazz. And it was so funny and ended up running second and fourth. But it was one of the funniest bits. I ever it's funny. How much longer that drive is to Santa Barbara when you're driving home after? Yeah. And you've got to stop at McDonald's for dinner. Way back in the day. Yeah. You used to have to drive. It's the first time. Okay. It's just crazy. How it's changed so much. You know, like I said earlier, you know, we used to that the crowd was deafening. Twenty five thousand forty thousand a weekends. When you're running down the stretch, you know, and and now, you know, I got five hundred people cheering for me here last Al maybe forty thousand people are watching my horse run all the simulcasting stuff all over the world, but but only five hundred cheering live here. But it's still a thrill. Well, they're all screaming, they're very passionate here. Lots of the fans, you know. That's a that's a great thing about low, Sal. I mean, I was there one night. And there were there were four schoolteachers than they had pooled their money and got a twenty five hundred dollars claimer, and they had all their kids and their families there in the horse one. And it was so refreshing to see the excitement and how great the kids were feeling about the horse winning. And it was just a a little cheap horse. But it was so joyful for these four guys in their families. It was just awesome. That thrill was still there. Yeah. If it was winning outlast, Al or especially if they were new end of the business that thrilled. This is what they know. And they were like, they invite all their friends, and I have honors that will invite all their friends, and it's twenty five hundred dollars claimer, but they still get get dressed up, and they and they get so excited and the horse wins. And and and it's just it's still a thrill. The thrill is still there. You know, I've been around forever. And there's still a thrill is still. When you win a race in here. Even Las offer twenty five hundred. It's it's not easy to win here. It's not easy to win anywhere. I mean, you got you got to twenty five hundred dollar horse at thirty two or whatever four or five, but you got to compete against those horses here. And then, you know, these horses are pretty much, you know, they're on their last leg, you know. They're getting older retiring or they got, you know, mental issues or whatever. So you really got to you really got to do a lot of work to get them to the racist here. And then these races are only four and a half four for a long sometimes you can run your thoroughbred against an eight seventy quarterhorse and stuff. But once you get him to race. It's gotta be a clean trip because it happened so quick here. If you if you if you break a little slow or go wide or get bumped or something the races over it is it's the pressing, you know, you don't have a chance to recover on longer races like up at Santa Anita or del mar. So so it's your more intense here because okay, get let's get a good bracelets break. Okay. Okay. We got a good break. Now. Let's don't go. Why you know? Stress out the hallway celebrate happens. Quick. Thank god. It's only fifty one seconds. Come on. No, I have. But. Yeah. So it's fun. I love it down here. Everybody's so close knit. You know, it's almost kind of like the old days where everybody just you know, they all rooting for you. They're saying hi DO every morning. And and it's it's it's a it's a good little good little track. You know, you really feel at home here. It's a nice place. I've always enjoyed running horses there. And I love the atmosphere. It's it's a it's a nice clean place. It's a it's a good place to go, and they treat you good. The the people that work at Los Alameda. So very nice hair. Great. They're great Stewart. Here's our old friend, Tom work. Oh, really? Yeah. He's down here. Now. Yeah. Yeah. He's a he's a good, man. He's he's a very calm guy. Yeah. Ainland get guy. And then. Yeah. And then navy? It's just so fun. Like every you know, we talk we talk arch overnight. We just crack up every morning and talking about the old days and stuff and he's down here. And you know, it just it's it's I love it here. I love it here. You know, we had a pretty good year here. So hopefully this year will even be better. And in fact, when I won my first race here back in nineteen ninety nine actually ran two horses here, then I didn't run again till a couple of years ago, but a girl rode my horse named c c Perkins since she went both my race. I was undefeated here until a couple years ago. And she says to say, hi. We'll we'll yeah. That's all you have to say how you're going to be on radio show yet. You've got to say hi to him for me. So I. Right. I. I will I'll send her a note and tell her thank you this is failed. And you're listening to trainer talk presented by phasing. Tipton Dan, a scaredy, and I will be back after this short break. Nominate now to the two thousand nineteen phasing Tipton Gulfstream selected two year old in training sale. 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Kennedys bred in Kentucky by trainer del Roman's brother, Jerry now, he's the house horse owned and trained by Danis Garrity. What about him? Her her excuse me. Yeah. She's she's been a little hard knocker for me. We we one day night here. You know, they have a day meet here three times a year. And that's a lot of fun to you know, just they had that day me, then it goes right on to the evening and everybody sticks around for the night the night racing. Also, and yeah, I I I was gonna enter it night. And I didn't realize that the the rule for workouts is different for the day than it is for night. Here night is like forty five days as thirty. And I realize I was at thirty one days. So I had to scratch out, you know. Couple of times. And we ended up winning. It was just it just it always works out. It seems like, but but I ended up having to worker and then run during the day and she wants. So I was I was happy about that. Especially since I owned her. You know, it's always nice. They're the run horses in the win when you own them. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's a big that little extra lecture bonus. Yeah. She's been a she's been a little hard knocker for me and long Irish and lucky we went a couple of races with her this year. And and I love those two Phillies. So even a lot of fun. You know, you probably sent away with the Phillies. I mean, you've always. We've got a lot of editing. Well, we an expert at it. The. Remember that think minutes Phillies gonna remind you remember that triple dead heat. I was in Hollywood park. And I think that was probably the the most fun I've ever had in race when interest. Never. This will never happen in any of our lifetimes or any of the listeners ice. I'm you'll never see that again where there was a walkover in a triple dead heat on the same card. We'll never see that. Again. That's safe to say. Yeah. Very very rare. That was a weird day. But that was a fun day. Very unusual. The walkover was that Spain was Spain shot cat Sharpton lupus his horse and in the bay and then a couple of races later, we had this triple dead heat. I thought I wanted I wanted to see the picture I thought he wanted my horses completely clean everybody else's dirty because it wasn't buddy track. That's why they're so many scratches in their steak, and and no it was a triple dead heat. That we had to split the Wapping person eight thousand dollars. Yeah. Well, that's one thing about the good old days. It wasn't so good was the personally. And it seems like I'm still paying the same amount to everybody nowadays. And I did back then right? Yeah. But it was fun. I walk into peppers, and there's a big old pitcher of the peppers. Well, it's a Mexican restaurant across the street from San either for listening. So no, but and there's a big old pitcher of the triple dead heat. It's really cool pitcher. They have hanging on the wall there. So that's probably my claim to fame. Unfortunately. That he an eight thousand claim red Hollywood far back in December ninety seven. But but that was that was fun Hollywood park timeline to the historic timeline. Yeah. That's a that's a cool thing. They that. They they have that immortalized on the wall of the restaurant. That's really. I say which Hollywood park it's back open. Now, what a great track that was train on you know, with the with the training track and the main track training track in Hollywood pork of that was the best truck. It was the best track train on. And there's no doubt about it. And it's too bad. Now, we gotta go over and sit on that track and watch football. Yes. It's a it's a whole different world. So strange new, but they do still call it. They get all the Rams are gonna be playing, you know, at Hollywood park. You know, there's still matching that on the news a lot at the Hollywood park, you know, Hollywood park, you know. You know, people know where Hollywood park is. Of course, I guess they're using that for now. People kind of know where the stadium is. It's about Hollywood for Wally. You know, while he was coming back from Hollywood park going down century boulevard, not century, Manchester there, and he stop and get gas. You know, and it's not the best of areas there. And he so he gets out of the car. He puts his wallet up on the on the gas pump. And of course, somebody comes in Leipzig way, you know, and such running, and I'm not gonna say the color of the guy, but he was fast and the wall he's while he's trying to chase them. And what's what are you gonna do? You know, he's six three, but he starts chasing him. And then there is this backfire of this car and while he stops on a dime. And he starts feeling. He thought he was shot. That's hilarious. I mean, it's just crazy that guy there is. He was and what a good horseman was. He's done some funny. Funny stuff. Well, he he always did feel like like nothing was ever going to happen to them. You know, he he always that kind of attitudes of. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I'd miss Hollywood park. Great great days over there. Yeah. We went a lot of races there too. We want some. I it wasn't a meeting that I pointed for I'll tell you the one thing that that I always remembered Hollywood park for was. I had won six races one week, which which was I think that's the only time in my life. Everyone six races in a week. And this guy shows up at my office. And he says are you dude feld? And I said, yeah. Hi, I'm Mike house. And I said, oh, you're the guy with the happy face on his silks and. And he goes yet. How how did you know that I said well, everybody knows the happy face looks. I mean, you know, and he says he says looking for any customers. And and I said, yeah, I said, but isn't isn't what was Dale Dale? God mechanize assistant. What's his? Yeah. Dance dance. Dad what dance last night Landers? Danny lynn. Yeah. Deal. I said isn't deal enters your trainer, and he goes. Yeah. He says Dale says he's getting older, and he doesn't want to go to or and I live in del mar. And I need a trainer that's going to be down there. Because that's where my home is. And I like to bring the kids to the track in Bubba. So I said, that's fine. I said did you tell Dale Dale knows he's fine with it. You know, he's he's just not going. I'm going to still have horses with Dale and this and that so I said, well, that'd be great. He says, well, I got a check for twenty five thousand put it in the office, and I'll make you authorized agent, and when you see something claim some so that turned into you know, what's been like a thirty year relationship with Mr. house who arenas form here in Kentucky. And all that. And the first first we claim the horse named plenty conscious. He won. He wanted a bunch of racists for us over one hundred thousand dollars in in set a track record at Hollywood park. And that that's that's my best Hollywood park story. He I remember, I always followed. You course, 'cause we were friends, you know, and and man I just love watching your horses win off. And you had some good ones. Very fortunate. I was lucky to have some decent horses. If you ever tell our did you ever tell your your fans that there? We're off champions. No. I was wondering do you still do you still play golf? I don't play as much anymore. Everybody. You know, everybody's grown older, and they have their families. And it's not like the, you know, again, it's not like the old days. We used to play golf twice a week. Antonina and stuff. But no, I always remember that we win that golf tournament by twelve shots. And thanks to your handicap. Handicapped was very good. All of we gotta we gotta shot a hall. You. Did you? One that remember that then we played in that tournament over whereas a friendly hills. We'd here or somewhere like you might have been friendly hills. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was a fun day to we used to. We used to play every week. We played every Tuesday, rain or shine pretty much. Yeah. Yeah. I'm playing that. That was that was fun. You know, like everything you know, we used to ball on Saturday nights. We used to play volleyball down at del mar. And now we had there are fourteen team softball Lee, you know, and then in Nita we used to play all the time. And yeah, it's just I I don't think that's happening anymore. But he's playing everybody on the backside used to be really close. You know, when I when I tell people that you know, I used to used to bowl with Gary Stevens and his wife in the league. And they look at me like, I'm from Mars, you know? Yeah. The ball first of all that we were bowling and second. That. The jocks the best Jackson the room. We're all bowling on Saturday night. Everybody would do everything together. And we'd go out to dinner and people would have each other over to their houses. And you know, my my kids grew up with Gary Stevens kids, they grew up with with Christine Oliveira's, and in you know. You know? It was one big happy family. Now, I'm I'm very happy to see now that it's it's kind of recurring like all of all of our kids are still hanging out with one another. And now their kids are hanging out with with the other guys and gals kids. So it's starting to come around again. And I think maybe we'll see that again in the future. But for a long long time. Big big hole. Yeah. We're yeah. Never one time. You know, when I was I got the he's farm up there back in the early eighties and reading all these books to learn the business, and you know, lasged and Charlie Winnie ham and bet a lot about Bill shoemaker. You know, like, wow, these guys are legend. And then before you know, it you're working with them, you know at the racetrack. And they just become normal people to you you and friends of yours, and it's just so strange to to read about them that learn about them their ways and everything and then you're working with them, you're competing against them. And I just remember one night. I was at a barbecue. I don't know who's Michael Witney hymns or Jackie Fulton house or whatever. But we were in the barbecue and Bill shoemaker, and I were in charge of the barbecue. And I'm just like you call my God, Bill shoemaker. What do I say to him? All he wanted to do is tell dirty jokes. Yeah. I completely normal guy. But you read about him any books, and you're like, you know, you put him away up on a pedestal. And like, oh my gosh. And then and then and then here, he is, you know, hey, Dan, tell me another story or whatever, you know. Just like, it's crazy. You know, how they they become so human when once you get to know him, and you compete with them and my very first jock. I put on a horse's though, shoemaker. So. Yeah. So it was just crazy crazy how you just an all of these guys. And then lays where I used to come and watch me play football, you know, with Bruce Headley, and it's just their normal. They're they're human. You know, it's just crazy. I've said it a bunch of times when I heard you say today last borough was like a second dad to me. I mean, you know, he really he really he really, you know, tried to take care of me as much as possible gave me great advice helped me many many times when I was a young trainer. And and yeah, I I mean, I can't say enough. Nice things about last. But Charlie Charlie was. Same way. If you ask Charlie a question, he'd be more than happy to to help you you know, approachable though, you know, he didn't seem that approachable. Maybe I didn't really know him that. Well, you know, but lands I can just walk up to anytime. You know? Yeah. I felt very comfortable around him. But then Charlie matter of fact, he was it was weird. John Daly was a assistant for Charlie weenie, how we actually went to Charlie's gravesite today at EPA, share Madria demise. Uh-huh. Yeah. Kinda cool. It'd be there, you know. And just ride back. A lot of memories of all his wins. You know, I was great, horses and stuff and always writing shoemaker and stuff. It was that was kind of weird moment. But it was it was it was cool to go. Go see him. That's that's neat. Well, he he was he was maybe a little standoffish sometimes. But but once he got to know, you he was he was a fine guy too. I mean, he he he was you know, always happy to help in any way that he could. And and just everybody said that everybody said he says, he's a great guy. But I just never I never got around to approaching them or talking to them. Right. It was very strange. Maybe I was just an odd the guy. Maybe just you know, I can't go talk to him, you know. And and but he yeah. But I- everybody always had just great things. So what a great human being. He was off. So obviously a trainer to always used. He loved to you love. The gimme a ration of you know, what he was. He was always one day. Had his Elmer Fudd hat on you know, that that cap with the flaps, and and it was hot outside. It was like eighty degrees. And it was it was like nine thirty. He was going to work some horse on the Turkey's still had that hat on. And I said, Charlie I said, it's eighty degrees. You really need that hat. He goes. Well, I don't have that layer of blubber on me. Like you do. Yeah. Yeah. That that that that type of humor. That's for sure. I never seen pictures of him riding horses on the beach at del mar. Oh, yeah. Beautiful house at domer-. He you mentioned barb barbecuing with shoemaker my brother Bob in. I we were dating a couple of his exercise girls in and he'd go out to dinner in in the girls would see if we could use the barbecue out on the beach in. Oh, yeah. Go ahead. And so we'd get we'd get Carney, Assad and stuff and cook out there and have have great nights on the beach at Delmar at Charlie's house and the house was dark, but the barbecue was glowing. And when he got a little bit too, much drinking came home and Bob was talking to one of his exercise girls, and he put Bob in a headlock damn near killed them. Yeah. He was he was tough. He was tongue marine. Yeah. That's right. So. Okay. That's martyr. The good old days. We're going to try to make some more good old days here. Yeah. I mean, you you had a great year. You win twenty six percent of your start in two thousand eighteen you finished in the money. Fifty one percent of the time. I don't even know if you know that because you don't pay attention to stats. I don't keep an eye on stats, but that much, but my, but my handicapped me events do and they let me know every once in a while doing. Yeah. But I hope this year is even better, you know, I- giving everybody a little bit of break right now. So I won't be running for a couple of weeks. But yeah, but all my horses should be running should be running well again in a couple of weeks. So so wh- what what's your what's your favorite kind of horse train? I liked it. I liked it claimed ours. I really do. I mean, I haven't had much experience with allowance stay courses. But I love the hard knock and horses that might have some issues, you know, but they got the big hearts, you know. And and you know, horse might have a bow and old boat or an old knee or something and they go and win a race for you. Because they got such a big heart. I love those type of those are the kind of horses. I always seem to have and train. And I just love I love those horses that can run through issues and problems and win a race for you. And that that's that's really my favorite type of horse. You don't always makes you feel good. When you when when you can do something with the horse like that? What's what what's maybe you're in your in your mind, your most outstanding training job? Gosh. I don't know. I'm not saying there's a lot of them. But but it's hard to say, I I really have to think about that one. Because you know, I do get horses that, you know, no one else wants anymore, and I'll take him in because it's a challenge to me. I like to get horses that might have a VO or or or, you know, some knee problems or foot issues or whatever. And I like to think I 'cause I think my time I learned this from Wally is I he's very patient. You don't see him running horses. All the time. He won't run a Hartson. It's ready. One hundred hundred ten percent ready to run, you know, and it's completely sound. And I like taking courses that might have had problems and people people don't want to deal with anymore, and I'll give them the time, and I'll fix them up. And and and get them back to the races it it's a challenge to me. And I like that challenge I really do. And and but now I can't say who's is my greatest achievement. I mean well. A year old Doni two year old I ever had that I've ever had as far as training goes was was the horse named snows in Paris. You might remember that eighty nine about the hearts for twenty five thousand at the sale and for Alan Stein, Lee member him, and and there's only two year old I've ever had in. We went to the Remington park derby in eighty nine, and we would have one that we probably would have went to the Kentucky Derby, but but there was a synthetic track at the timing. I mean, you couldn't even he'd have to change your shoes every time you walk down. It was so sticky, and there was like sticky Brown sugar and Lucas outta horse in the race and melts duty and all the horse's head real high action the horses from California. They didn't know what it was. So we didn't run very well there, but but we went on to win. If you want racist with him, and he was probably he was probably my greatest achievement because he won more money for me than anyone else. And it was my only two year old. And you know, we we got him to run as a three year old. He did. Well. I didn't really run him as a two year old. But I bought him as a two year old, you know, and train them as a two year old into three hundred years. So anyway, that's I would say he was probably my greatest achievement. So far would say so far I want to put that in would would you like to have more two year olds? Would you like to? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to challenge again at the have the two year old's coming in. You know, you know, in our chairman had California chrome, okay? At Hollywood park that horse used to go through my barn every day as a two year old. And I told our chairman, and this is a joke, and he he'll he'll back this up and said that horse is gonna win the Kentucky Derby for you. It was his little cheap calibrate, you know. And I said that he is gonna win. He laughs it off. Right. He laughs enough. And then it and then it went to steak rate. It's a little sprint steak pin glorious it in Hollywood park at the end of the year. And I said I told you he's going to win that just a little cheap sprint race. He's not gonna win. And then he went on to win the bay and whatever went right down the line. And then when he win the Kentucky Derby is Dan you said he was going to win the Kentucky. You're the first person to tell me he was gonna win the Kentucky Derby. So you right away. What the first time we are actually talking about that this morning and the other guys we actually I don't know why that came up, but he said yet, Dan, you were the first one to say this horse is gonna win the Kentucky Derby, I didn't. I just said it jokingly. I wasn't because I had you know, oh that horses. Great. He was just a little skinny two year old, you know, taking a shortcut through my barn. It gets to the tracking. Finding trainers love night too. Crazy crazy how how that horse went on to win the Kentucky Derby, you know. So there's hope and that was the best thing when the best thing that could happen for this business to is because you can get a horse like that that can win the Kentucky Derby and all the little guys. Hope you know, that it can happen. That's right. It's absolutely absolutely true. We've had some of those horses over the years, you know, Sunday. Silence. He was I think but Becca sale twice. They couldn't even get seventeen thousand five hundred forum. And and you know, and he he went on to be not only a great racehorse. But one of the greatest stallions of all time. So yeah. And you know, and the same thing wasn't there. A heart said that one a few years ago to about a few is a little while ago that it was in New Mexico and the guy van did all the way the Kentucky Derby, why they would write a little ten thousand dollar horse or something you might burn. My no. So one of those every once in a while when you thinking, you know, what this is ridiculous can't and then somebody like mine that bird or California chrome will pop up, and maybe we'll stick around a little longer in this business and say, waking, you know, may we can get lucky to you know. And and that's the best thing for horseracing for the little guys is that kind of stuff to happen. Yeah. The the little guys drive the game. I mean, you know, the big trainers. They they, you know, they keep the the Saturday crowds coming out, you know, with their with the fancy horses, but you know, the Wednesday Thursday Friday crowd, they they depend on on little stables to to fill those races and create handle and. Any failed seven eight nine ten Hartsfield. You know, the little guys and doing that. And definitely need to keep us around. You know, I wish there was you know, back back in the day when we were starting out in the eighties. I mean used to go to these stake race, and there was like four or five great horses and every stake race, you know, and people would come out to see those horses. They would come to the racist because so and so's running or so and so's running, you know, and we need more horses like that out here. You know, right now is really the California. He we need another big name. They get people enthusiastic again out here, you know, a horse with the big name might California chrome, or or you know, you wanna those type of horses. It seems like the derby winners mo- most frequently come from California in in a lot of the the top competition on the triple crown trail comes from California. But. You know, I I don't know. I guess that's the the Baffert factor. But but there's other trainers during honed or for always has, you know, several horses that are on the derby trail, and you know, Doug O'Neill, he's one at twice. That's that's quite an accomplishment. So. There for it's going to have a few this year. That's going to pop up here. Pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah. They're pretty excited about a couple of them. They got there. So can you names right now? But they there you might see them pop up here in the next few months. Tender they've already they've already started working back some of the ones that he gave gave some time to and whatever. So. Gary is one that you wanna root for you know, if you knew Gerry story, Golden Gate and stuff, you know? And you set a hard worker, you know, he he flies down here. He worked sources here. Lots of y-, you know, he's got a big barn near Los L. And and so he's he's he comes here every Friday to workhorses Thursday or Friday. And then he gets the sandy then he flies up to Golden Gate. You know, and he does the same routine. You know, the guys are hard working guy. He always has been. I mean, he's always be F one of the first guys to the born in the morning. You know, he never left talk about vacations. I don't think the guys ever been where why there wasn't a race track? Yeah. And it just like why you know. I mean, he's you don't use to live in attack room at Golden Gate field. You know, and it's just like so you root for those type of guys that, you know, started down at the bottom and USA live in a tack room. And not look what he's doing. You know? So, you know for all the time, and hopefully he'll have something big come up this year. Also. Yeah. It's not accidental because because the those guys they've they've put in the time they've done all the work. You know, Bill Maher was on this show talking about when he couldn't get stalls at Centennial Park, Colorado. I think about that. And you go really, you know. Oh, jeez. Louise, that's hard to believe, isn't it? But but it's true. And it's just like, wow. It's like wait locates, you what a hard worker. He was when back in the eighties. It's an Anita. He was the first one on the track at three in the morning. He was a hard worker. That's why he was successful. Yeah. Very hard worker. Yeah. He loves he loves to tell the story about when he hired Kieran McLaughlin in cure here. And said what what time do you start? And he says well around here we start at four o'clock he said, but it's better if you're here at three thirty so carrying gets up next mornings at the barn at three in. Waned sitting at his desk when he gets there. Cured open the door. Even I told you three. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What took you so long? No. I mean, he would I always got to Santa Anita three at at three o'clock and Simon Callaghan in his bar now his old barn. But man, I still think that that's wait Lucas is by not Simon Callaghan. Yeah. That's right. That's because he had that barn for so long. It's all those great horses your bream. Yeah. Well, we're almost out of time believe it or not. And we always liked to ask trainers. If there's something that they really enjoy doing when they're not at the track. I know you spend a lot of time at the track. But do you have anything nowadays that you enjoy doing when you're not at the track? They my life is not the same. It used to be. When we go golfing every week and. Yeah. I mean, no, I I don't wanna bore everybody with my boring life right now. But pretty much I go home every day. Get the bed early. You know, go to San eat, I'll go to the racist or or del mar. And if I'm not running here at night because last that, you know, it's nightly seem right? But as far I hike a lot, you know, I love to get back playing golf again. But just hiking a lot, you know. And that's it. I didn't go to the movies. I haven't seen a movie in two years. I don't think and now it's pretty much just it's all horses. Now, you know as you get older and once you've done all that stuff. You know, it's not important to you. Any more important thing is get back to your stable in the morning and get these horses to win. You know? That's my passion. Now. That's what I that's you know, that's why I wanna do. I don't even wanna go on vacation. I don't I have no desire. That's that's a that's a good thing. We're we're just about out of time. I I I love your hiking photos on Instagram. Thanks for taking the time to hang out with us this evening, and thanks to our producer Lee dela Pena for keep us on time and organized remind everyone to tune into the coin forum, Saturday, eight AM serious to nineteen XM to six and streaming live on our website horse racing radio dot net. This is Jude. Feld from Lexington. Good night. Everybody.

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S6 E4: Mark Cramer Part 2

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The different ways in which one might find value having angles but not allowing oneself to be beholden to them and having the courage to be honest with oneself that perhaps being the most important angle of all one of the joys of a small track. I don't know if you get these conditions or not. In a place like san benito or or online but Small tracks have races for non winners of one race. Lifetime and those are my favorite racist to handicapped. Because generally you get a lively racehorse Again sources that are proven losers. And so i can walk into attract where i i. Don't know anything about it. But if i have that type of race then there's There's a way to handicap. It and i have to give credit to james quinn because in his original book handicappers conditioned book that was one of the One of the methods that race ones those conditions. I mean yeah if a horses raced three times and only has one win vs voice was raised. Twenty nine times his one win. You gotta say that. Twenty nine timer generally It's probably not gonna win this race. Although i will say. I just had one kind of caveat to that. Because i just had one this past sunday. If you forgive a little success story. I'll tell you this. I gotta here so this was a this is a non wears of to lifetime in the horse. Had i think it was twenty nine starts. Twenty-three starts one win. Wants two seconds and three thirds And like you. I would have almost automatically tossed out but one of the things that caught my eye right away was that his last three races had been at tampa and they were just complete on efforts and when i looked further down in the past performances he had three other races at tampa that work. Complete just non efforts not nowhere near you know. Just just just knowing near the front at all so i i. Well horse just doesn't like tampa. This is at gulfstream now. He's at gulfstream now. This doesn't like tampa and then so there's six races out of the twenty-three thrown out. I found six. More aware is a wet track and again just complete on efforts on a wet track. All right So now i'm down to eleven races. I'm looking at his record now. He's got eleven races one win two seconds and three thirds. So he's he's got my interest a little bit more and then i see that there's a bunch of this is like numbers of lifetime like i said it's the lowest level claiming there's a bunch of cheap speed and they are that's going to go. You know forty seven forty six for four furlongs but this is a six and a half furlong race and they're not gonna be there at the end and he is in those eleven races that i'm now isolated on He's either coming from behind pretty stoutly or he's just losing two horses. Who were. were better so you know. He really has my attention now because his best efforts enclosing where five and a half furlongs. He's he's up against cheap speed and going six and a half so just cut to the chase. He wins at nineteen to one. I am to win and hit a pick three which was pretty generous but I think like anything in handicapping. You can't get too tied into rules as well right. You have to be able to look for anomalies way. My friend matt packer and i call them. Cross out plays It really gets to the whole art of handicapping right. There is no one way to handicap a race. I think there are so many different things that you have to juggle or kind items in the toolbox. You need to pull out. I think that's what i call what i've written about the this spirit of law because After scratching out all the tampa racism the sloppy racist. this source was not really Overly raced anymore. So i think that's that's a great point you're making an i call at the spirit of the law really not If you're too regimented about Rules and you're gonna miss these things. I agree with even mocked Good point about sometimes. Sometimes we are good handicappers yet. We underachieve at the at the betting windows. Right whether it's the just raised and set up the way we thought You know i've sold myself. Tried to console myself many times with the right bet. Wrong outcome right But that's it's hard to do. When you're playing as a contrarian right it takes some some discipline some mental discipline in some mental toughness. I think you know there's no simple answer for this one. But i what i think is that During periods when when there's bad karma the idea would be to Retrieve little into what is your specialty and just play only specialty races or retreat and and Be especially rigorous about. I don't mean rigorous about about Being afraid to play a long shot but rigorous in in making demands. And i think the number one demanded i would say to separate playing racer passing rate asking yourself the question. Have i discovered something. And if you don't think you've made a discovery in the race that really is unique. Then that's that's a good reason to pass the race. Actually you and i talked earlier about passing races. And you mentioned that you are. You feel like you're one of the people that can you know. Watch a race and not feel like they have to bet on it and i think that's something you think you're making a very good point you have to learn as a handicap or is a gambler to just you don't have a good idea you gotta sit it out but i i think you know. I know that. I have learned. That experience is the best teacher. Unfortunately bad experiences the best teacher right you you come to that conclusion via making some bad decisions right absolutely and This is but i was just listening. I've been getting into this Listening to physics physics podcasts and cosmologists than of quantum mechanics. And what these people are all saying. Is that this is exactly what sciences science is making mistakes and then learning from those mistakes and so No people who you can't say. Oh i worship science because scientists don't work worship science and they don't even worship each other they they they fight with each other. I'm writing though you're right and they have to prove it and so making mistakes is actually there the experience. That's a that's good I am in favor of experience that even if even if you lose something during the experience mark i think one of the ways that you helped condition yourself if you will to taken that approach that i'm going to sit things out sometimes because i've i've had this testing results and i've seen what's happened You talking one of your books about keeping a book of. Why do you do still do that. And can you talk about that a little bit. Well i i i don't do it. formerly But i always in every single race i ask. Why am i playing this and in every single race after it's over i check whether my was was correct or not. I don't write it all down anymore but I believe that when you first start doing this you should be rigorously keeping a notebook and giving your reasons. I think going over that notebook every two weeks and say which of my wise we're successful and which were not and i think you will. You won't have to buy another handicapped booklet for the rest of your life because this will be the best handicapping book that ever exists. Your own boca. Of course you're asking for people self examination is hard right and You know learning you know really and and being able to turn the focus around on yourself. I think is is divine. I mean look. I i struggled with it myself and you know. I think everybody does from time to time when it comes to. You know this. This game is How do you separate out. Good idea bad outcome from bad idea and predictable outcome right But i put on my contention. Is that If you've done this long enough you if you're honest with yourself right. I think you know when you're making a good bet i when you don't even if you don't get the right outcome would you agree with that. Well being honest with yourself is the prerequisite and you have to be brutal with your with yourself and make sure that you have to be a dictator Over yourself and make sure that you're being honest absolutely there. There are two Charles bukowski wrote this once the poets if that They they asked him whether what's the best way to teach a person to become a writer and he said send them to the racetrack and make them at five dollars on each race and what. He was what he was saying. Was that At the horse races you cannot talk your way out of bad decisions. You can't talk your way Rationalize you're okay. And i love this about racing. This is the number one reason that i can argue for people that racing offer something that almost nothing else offers us is that we have no way to make excuses We can't even falsify our books and other professions like. Let's say an economist makes a prediction and he's wrong. He's still gets paid for it and he goes to work the next time they still hire people to look pundits. Who were car wrong. And then and the two thousand and they're still going on cnn today and and they're still getting paid for it whereas all player Y- immediately when you're wrong. You do not get paid good argument for what we do. Familiar handicappers those in the racing form on track websites and on the give their picks likely with the same degree of success says again being honest with myself we experienced ourselves but it's more fun to be critical of them than self critical. Mark talked about his own experience. As a public and private handicapper the types of anomalies one can look forward handicapping. The dreaded fear factor and how those experiences played at the lamentably long-on hollywood park in speaking of records. You and i chat a little bit. And i know you mentioned one of your books. Your experience being a public handicapper. I've learned enough about this game that When i see people kind of ripping the tv personality let's say or the on air personality at track. Being a public handicapper. I think is a very difficult proposition. And i'm just gonna leave it. That i'm gonna let you talk about your experiences because i think they were really pretty pretty interesting. Well first of all. I'd like to Give credit to on my friend. Nick cling from Albany the albany area. He was the public handicapper for saratoga for the albany times. Union and nick Every single meet he would let his readers know how he came out. Whether if you were betting all his sources what you're flat bet. Profit or loss was and very often came out with a prophet when the season was over. And so i think that If you're a public handicapper This is missing this in france. We don't have public handicappers. Who who show what. Their record is at the end of the season. So i give credit to nick for this. And i follow that pattern and i tried to. They used to have a Something called the phillips racing newsletters something of like that and i had to monitor my picks and it was strange because they the same time they were monitoring my picks i was working for this tout Giving him the same picks and he was pissed off at me. I said look brian. His name was look brian. I i i got a got a flatbed profit this week You should be thrilled. And he said yeah. Well your big winner on wednesday. What about the people who did not call on wednesday. They didn't have him so they've lost money and he wanted me to give him lower price sources and even more winners even if it wasn't a flatbed profit and so you know the the psychology of this is i think it's a public handicapper. You ha cannot be fearful of being called the bun because then you're not gonna go with Glued price horses. 'cause they don't need somebody who's just gonna give you the paper you can get that off the tote board. I do wonder sometimes public handicappers. How much of it is Kind of fear driven like you said you know. I'm watching you know tv. G whatever. And i really liked the eight to five horse when you know. How'd you figure that one out. But i do wonder how much of is that. They don't want to appear foolish when that eight to five horse ends up romping like they probably should In that well net feel. I haven't been following to too much of the public handicappers of late. But one thing that i never miss. Is the daily racing form. Has these guys Dan aleman mike. Fear my dear and there's another guy with them Whose name escapes me. I'm sorry i apologize to that gentlemen And these guys all the breeders cup races and they just such a great job and even if they ended up not having the winter but they educate and they show you the reason for why they were calling these people. So i don't consider them to be tout. Those people are really educators. I wouldn't miss that program and So there I don't know if they have a a a way of keeping record at the end of the meat of how they did but they really provide a great service Ken kenny pack is one of the people who are interested in. I don't remember all the names down. No i i agree with you. I think that Some of those roy d. r. f. guys to write those the narrative kind of descriptions of racist. Make some and you your points really making some educational points about why you need to pay attention to this horse who might otherwise be overlooked It's not all in the in in the numbers So mark i know you know you obviously have been too many tracks all over the country. I think one of the ones that you remember very fun and a lot of people remember very fondly. Oddly enough for its location. Which found a little suspect was Hollywood park was a place that you liked quite a bit right. Yeah well hollywood. Park was the hang out and Even after they they butchered with that Pavilion that they put in their march everett's pavilion. It was it was still a great place to be. There were a lot of people going every day It was the the quality of the racing was good and i just loved it. I had a. I had a client. Hollywood park a guy found me there and he and he said i i. Can i hire you as my as my as my tout and and at first after having bad experiences with such a thing. I told him that i really rather not. He was going to pay me well. And he said i'll even i'll even put in best for you and finally my friend frank Who i used to go to the track. Frank consolo simple. You're you're crazy to not take this opportunity. So i took the opportunity and So they were just to show you how the bedding psychology works. And how you can't do well as tout Franken i came up with a horse called would coach who was was going to pay Fifty to one forty six to one and so carson. The guy who i was counting for he would say you're not going. You're not you're not gonna play that horse. He was playing big money. I was bet i bet. Twenty and twenty on this horse and for me. Forty six to one or spending twenty and twenty. That was good enough from insurance. And in carson was saying i if arsenal bit spending two hundred or three hundred days you're not gonna get your kind of forced me to bet on that horse and He refused to bet. He ended up playing the favorite. But we were there franken. I were there with him. Would code one and then carson says you better berry berry me ice. And his wife found out about that and she kicked him out of the house and It was so if know this. There's another lesson here that we could. We could afford betting twenty twenty and twenty on this source but he betting two hundred or three hundred. The fear factor entered in and the force them as but he was his wife. Said you're paying guy at least you could go to put twenty. Could've bet the favorite for one hundred eighty and save twenty. One horse can right so so i mean you can't you can't win when you're when you're when you're being a tout. Its no way you can win. Have one hundred better bunch. Right is one of the old sayings that because you have to have more than a hundred. Thank you gotta. I'm sure you had some very good. I'm sure you have actually would. Code is actually an interesting example. I found that my friend. And i talk about this fairly frequently talking about racing. Is that when you're betting a forty six to one shot like a would code. There are actually three or four. Maybe even five things that lineup that are are tells are indicators that you know this is a good bet that you are able to ferret out if you've only got like one maybe two. That's not as good of a read to lean on if you want a better forty six to one horse so so tell me what you like with would code. What am i right about that. Were there are a number of things that lined up as far as you're concerned or was it just a couple of things. Well i think this goes back to to the horse that you you played on recently that pet the nineteen to one one with With woodcut he he just had four or five consecutive races. All of which were either the wrong the wrong scenario that he had no chance in those races at all so you can just draw a line through all those races and then he came came back to the to the recent race where he had raised with the same jockey and he's done very well and so i suddenly he was the same lachey. You're using their. I think that So i'm not sure how many reasons you need to convince and i don't recall. All the reasons would go. But i do remember that it was making the right jockey switch and he was He was racing in the in. The situation situational handicapping that he hadn't had an since his last good race. He's at the right level now. He's at the right distance The jockeys switch surface track whatever and it brings up an interesting point. And i think as at least in the us. Six actually been exacerbated more. Last year's i find it amazing. How many people are going by the last race. And that's the way the wagering is playing out. There are very i see. Many more instances where the favourite is based on the last race as opposed to the body of work or or other factors. That might be involved And i don't know about you. But i i love those situations where i can tell the only reason why this being bad is because of his or her last race in. There are many other reasons. Why your point absolutely absolutely. I would think that that now that you have the racing foam giving a narrative information Fewer people would be getting stuck on his last race syndrome but I g- evidently they're still doing. It feels like it. You know i'm not going to say it's in every situation But you know it actually probably is more common with the the ones that we are trying to like the northerners of one right You know the the maiden win And then there bet very heavily the next out now they may be that The one who is three races removed from their maiden win has reasons why that that you know there are there are a better bet but I see that a lot That the recent especially recent maiden winner is going to be bet very heavily next time out to also I know from it. Strange that The the bike riding can give me an insight into the horse racing. But i know that when you go on a bike there were certain days when you feel great and you feel strong and there are other days where you feel sluggish and so you have to understand that a horse especially apiece racing in a situation. That's not as best that you have to be able to excuse for a bad day. You know that's a really. That's a really interesting point. Because i i try and think about that. Sometimes when you see a past performance line that just doesn't fit with the other things that you see it may be. Just a horse wasn't feeling at that day and i think that may be the heart wrong distance wrong surface. You know class level jockey change. Those are things that are a little bit more. You know you can kind of put a finger on and say there's a solid reason but i think the hardest one is to say to excuse race by saying maybe he just wasn't feeling good that day and and and then there are things that we don't we don't see like i. I know being stables with trainers and grooms and them prepare horses and and seeing all the details that are involved that they can. They could also make a mistake on the day of racing and And we wouldn't. Nobody's ever going to know about it. So if you if you have any reason to keep in excuse and gives them the excuse serendipitous li it all came back to bike riding and i think my first podcast guest ever michael blowing would be glad to know thoroughbred aftercare programs a cause. Which if you haven't embraced and supported already. I strongly encourage you to do so. Help grow and strengthen the sport you love and in your own way in your own time in your own fashion. Do your own tour. You mentioned The bike riding a little bit and you talked about your charity bike. Ride you actually time. That up with the tour de france also correct yeah what happened. Was that thoroughbred racing news as soup in lease of the editor publish publisher and She she was the one that brought it up to my partner. Alan alan kennedy. My my cycling racing That race betting partner says well. Why don't you guys do a do something for thoroughbred racing foundation thoroughbred retirement foundation. And so she's the one who came up with the idea of racing the same days as a tour de france and finishing at the arc de triomphe when the when the two riders finished the so I hadn't even thought of thousand kilometers for us. Two hundred kilometers would have been enough. She said do thousand now in the same period of time just to show you how bad we are. In the same period of time. The tour de france. Riders did nearly four thousand kilometers. And alan and i. We did a thousand kilometers. They finish their day with maybe four or five hours and sometimes we were riding for for seven or eight hours who rewriting longer time and getting a shorter distance but that we were the tree on Celebrating celebrating that. We finished the race. You know i it was It was pretty good and and we got to see a lot of wonderful racetrax and share with one occasion where where the the post race. announcer had us bring our bikes up to the pedestal. Where the where the winning jockey and winning owner receiving their prize around the pa system so it was the crane experience and and And it just combines so many things that i love into into one and two one one event along the twitter. France is one of my wife's and is favorite things to watch every year because the television coverage of it is just a spectacular and talked about you know wanting to be therefore it. I imagine you have actually gone to the the roots on tour days. And of course you know the the peleton and everyone's gone by and two or three minutes but a strong suspicion. That's not what the experience is really about right. It's about the entire day. I would think well if the entire day the peleton goes by very quick. If you're a the idea would be to a high place where you can look down on them. So so. see it's progressing are if you if you go The last state at at Shop at these a then they go around eight time so much more of it Or if you're going at a place where they're coming up hill then they're going slower and more spread out so you get to see. I can see more of the More but what. I would like to suggest. Is that no matter for your listeners. No matter what your age is. I'm seventy five years old and i still go out for a long distance bike rides and i started doing this when i was fifty five Twenty twenty years ago and i. I had no idea that. I could even go three miles at that time. So what i'm saying is that you can do your own tour de france. The tour de france francis wonderful to watch the photography is great. The spectacle is just amazing. But it also could be an inspiration for some of you to do your own tour of france even if it's in your own neighborhood and And and this is the philosophy behind my book is precisely that We can all live our own tour de france. We can all Use our own human energy we get healthier for it It makes life exciting. And it's something that's doable. So let's think of the tour de france. These superhuman athletes that are that are like greek. Gods are roman. Got a roman gods. These these are these are just an example of we can do with our own lives and a at a more haiku style Which will be just as satisfying and in fact. Think about it. These guys in france don't even get a chance to admire all the beautiful countryside. They're going by fast so we can go by slower. We can stop when there's a beautiful place we can stop in the middle and admire and take out a camera and take pictures etc glass of wine bottle stopper a beer rep here and then continue. That's great. I hope that through this discussion going good sensible of what a thoughtful engaging person mark is i encourage you to pick up any one of his books handicapping or otherwise. You'll enjoy a random walk or ride through an interesting array of ideas and musings and as marks had you can experience at least some of it for free people who are listening to this podcast. All they have to do is anna's on dot com and look for old man on a green bike mark kramer and you can read the introduction for free just where it says. Look inside. click look inside. Read the introduction. And if it doesn't make you laugh then you get the money that you didn't spend you get back actually. It's good point. That is a very enjoyable read You you have a nice Conversational way. I would say of writing in relating to people in a very kind of common sense way to That's very very enjoyable to read and just I don't want to call it light. 'cause that's gonna give the wrong impression but You know. I think you do a good job of conveying philosophical points in a non demanding way. Let's put it that way. Thanks so much. I appreciate your. You're saying it in that way that that that's I hope that other people will see it that way to listening. We'll be back next week with another look at the heroes in history of horse racing in the meantime god bless you your family and loved ones and make it a great week on the morning line guy has got game beggar. Five to nine tax rises by Half to this and telegraph around by all right of this i read.

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Equine Forum - May 1st 2021

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Equine Forum - May 1st 2021

"Welcome to the equine forum presented by foreign paint dot com sixteenths ago at pletcher in the derby. Again that's no stable. I mean he's a perfect example of a worse than just seems to be getting good at the right time and just improve watts to starts especially with the addition winters soon to really made a difference in his his early race focus and and just kind of seem to be the turning point came and moving in the right direction. But i thought you know florida. Derby wins the race that we always felt like he had an and deliver that performance and come out of shave them excited about the fact that he's always giving us the impression that a mile in the quarters right in his wheelhouse. Downtown helium reposed the talent him in a huge effort. I was just looking for you. Know a good solid rate in the tampa bay derby and going down the backside. I was like the forces running good. There's no way he can keep running and then he still kept coming and then even turning for home when that got to him as well good second we can build on this and then when he came back to win. I've said this is my forty years training. I don't know that. I have ever had horse overcome so much to win a race. And it's going to be rock your world to take them all the way in the run. Happy santa anita derby. He's undefeated and wins by four. That want to join a lot. I realized how you know how hard it is. You know you can catch bad weather. You know a lot of things could go wrong. Get wiped out. Start having been there. I know how tough it is. And i really wanted to join experience. And obviously the best chance. I've gone in with wadi fort louis. Science fence loon manned loon proxy midnight bourbon with phone. Gelo mendel wound a mandolins. The risen star stakes position sce. Exactly where we'd like to be. You know we have to really get shots in the kentucky derby to really get colts and you know this is the biggest stage in the thoroughbred industry in north america is concerned that me. I've never thought about breaking records like they happen. I usually hear about him afterwards. I didn't really realize it till after we wanted to. I'm just trying to get there and You know when. I when i'm fit into racing i guess i can look back on it but i never. I never set a goal. Like i want that record. I want to win that one. Or i mean there's certain rates i haven't won like winning them. You know they'll tell me pretend you've won that race really no but the i really don't pay attention to that too much now. Here's mike. That guy certainly knows a thing or two about winning the kentucky. Derby doesn't he. That's hall of famer bob baffert looking for back to back wins in the run for the roses later today and by the way that would be a fourth win in the last seven. Runnings for bob baffert. Let let that sink in for a minute. Good morning everyone. Unhappy happy derby day. Welcome to the equine form the show that launched this entire network. The horse racing radio network. Mike pana baranov the backstretch in the saddle with you for the next three hours. Right up until eleven am eastern. I've been telling you pretty much. Ever since i started on radio in two thousand and three wow eighteen years ago that for me kentucky. Derby days like christmas with horses. You're always so excited the anticipation building all week long For months really think about this the road to the kentucky derby began two hundred forty five days ago with the first derby point three. That was the uruguay. Which by the way appropriately enough is held beneath the twin spires at churchill. Downs the upset winner of that race was the dow romans trained sitting on go. He will not be in the starting gate later today. But the second and third place finishers from that race will be and wasn't accomplishment. That is kudos to their hall of fame trainer. Steve asmussen for navigating the waters and getting both horses back to louisville thirty five weeks later. That is a remarkable accomplishment midnight. Bourbon was second in the iroquois superstock was third. That day people will forget that both horses ran really really good races. And now we'll get a chance to hopefully at least if you're steve asmussen or you're the owners involved with midnight bourbon or superstock allah steve family on the ladder. Hopefully they they run that race of their life today. That is what the connections of nineteen horses are hoping for. And i say nineteen because you missed it. King fury came out of the race yesterday. He spiked a fever. Will not be here. Which is kinda disappointing. Because heavyweight champion boxer tyson fury was scheduled to be in louisville with king fury who is his namesake. He was going to be here. He was going to tour. Some of the muhammad ali exhibits and the mohammed ali museum before making the walkover with king fury. But that's not going to happen now. So we're down to nineteen horses. So many great storylines to and by the way. We're going to cover all of those storylines throughout the afternoon our coverage today kicks off at three o'clock eastern. We have two hours of undercard coverage we'll bring you all the big races leading up to the kentucky derby bobby newman and jud fouled who have had the coverage on the network beginning this past tuesday morning with our derby countdown shows. They'll handle the coverage from three to five eastern. At five o'clock we will segue into our exclusive radio broadcast of the one hundred four to run for the roses that will be done in partnership with our friends. Nbc sports audio network. It's all presented by twin spires. And you can tune in on affiliates across the country several affiliates in pretty much every major market picking up that coverage leader today including by the way our good friends here at sirius. Xm you'll be able to tune in serious to nineteen one the same channels. You're listening to right now. So make sure that you are locked in later today. All of that beginning three o'clock eastern here on the horse racing radio network going to be an amazing day and this is the you always get at least do anyways a bit nostalgic on this particular day. This was the day many of you know who listen to this program back in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight that i attended my very first kentucky derby i got engaged to my wife. Michelle at that kentucky derby. So the derby's always been pretty special for us and from a professional standpoint a career standpoint. This is the eleventh consecutive year that we will broadcast the kentucky derby for you on national radio here on the horse racing radio network and that's That's quite a an amazing privilege. It's an awesome privilege really for myself and for my entire broadcast team. That's involved in that team today. By the way consists of keeneland announcer. Kurt becker who will sit next me in the booth. The voice of the uk wildcats. Tom leetch former jockey. Geoff blum who's now. of course. the man behind bloom racing and dr dan mason. All of us will be together again. One more time at churchill downs to bring you that coverage later today can't wait should be a lot of fun. Make sure you're tuned in visit our website by the way horse racing radio dot net to listen worldwide and to see a listing of affiliates. They're all there for you. All the siriusxm channel information everything is on our website. It's all their horse racing. Radio dot net and by the way the naira bets weekend stakes preview last night at six eastern was a special. Derby edition would anthony's to bill and bobby newman. You can go back and listen to their analysis of all the stakes races today at churchill. Downs do that now. The podcast is up there. Horse racing radio dot net are. Here's what's coming up today. Very very busy program. So i'm going get right to it. Churchill downs president. Mike anderson and vice president and general manager. Mike ziegler took time to visit with me earlier. This week we sat down. We talked about all things. Churchill off things derby. It's an interview that you won't want to miss. It's coming your way. Shortly after our first commercial break it will be followed in the second segment of the show by our industry star the week and scott jordan has been the starter at churchill down for a long time. He's the man who pushes. The button opens the starting gate every first saturday in may his interview. Jeff bloom is spectacular. And he's our industry star of the week that comes up at eight forty eastern time. Nine o'clock you'll hear from hall of fame. Jockeys chris mccarron and mike smith some amazing stories about what it was like to ride in their very first kentucky. Derbies what the experience was like. They're going to tell you coming up at nine eastern nine thirty randy moss. Jerry bailey from nbc. Sports their interview. With bobby in jude. Earlier this week on our countdown show fantastic insight from both of those guys about this year's derby how it might shape how things might run. You can You can listen to that coming up in the second half of the program as well and then unsung heroes presented by clayborn. I welcome greg. Blasi longtime out router outrider here at churchill. He's gonna be my guest for that segment as somebody who does amazing work. He and his entire team in that interview and it actually got a bit emotional. You're going to really wanna stay tuned for that at nine forty eastern and then at ten o'clock kick off the third hour of the program within the room. Sean clancy his one on one visit with the legendary hall of famer laffit pincay. Junior is something that you i. It's it's gold. It is absolute gold as it typically is when the pinkai doesn't interview with us here on the horse racing radio network. He is fantastic. Can't wait for that coming up at ten eastern ten thirty. It's kurt. Becker stroll through racing history. A wrap up the program right around ten forty eastern with ed derosa from twin spires to handicap the kentucky. Derby for you. And he'll give you some thoughts on those stakes races on the undercard so make sure you're tune in for the entire show. We're going to do it three hours coming your way right here on the equine form presented by farm paint dot com on h. r. 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Tell the copy. Funnel took big talk similar measures. Second fitness for paper with. There's the derby winner. Tom durkin with the call. The two thousand eight run for the roses big brown while he did roll through louisville and then barreled through baltimore day. Rodman said his call one of the great calls of the preakness stakes but great call the kentucky derby to turkey big brown a horse that means so much to one of my next guest. I told you. I had a chance to sit down with both churchill. Downs president mike anderson and vice president general manager mike ziegler this week and talk to them about several things. Pertaining to churchill downs. Big brown was bred by mike. Ziegler's father-in-law that's dr gary knapp at. It's a horse. That meant so much them and to his entire family and he started the interview by talking about that. Ride in what it meant in two thousand eight. Two thousand derby was pretty cool to be sitting in the suite with dr nab jessica. The team from monarchial watching big brown. Come down the stretch monster and with them was really probably one of the highlights of my entire involvement in horse racing. I remember getting a chance to spend time with you and with jessica and with doctor dr nap at that point to and Boy what a special time it was for you. And your family yeah. It was great Big brown goblin track like it was just nobody else in the race. It was sensational. It's good times fantastic and we longtime yet thirteen years ago. Yeah isn't that crazy. Remember how much hair i had. You wouldn't be both well. Somebody who has no problem with hair is mike anderson. The president of churchill downs. He's gotta face for radio. I don't know about that man. You should be on tv. I was my hair good for tv. Thanks mike for having on. Is this a first you have. It's not the mike and mike. Show the mike. Mike and mike show so yeah. I'm going to try not to refer to myself in the third person so we can eliminate as much as possible here but mike anderson the fourteenth president the history of this historic race track. What an honor that must be. It is absolutely thanks for having us on this morning to beautiful morning this week. It's going to be a great derby week. Look forward to it. I've been at the track now for about twenty five years but this is my first in this role as president of the track. But i'm so excited to be here. Lead a team to success. You know you're a native of louisville so when you got the phone call that you were going to be president of this track and the in that job opportunity came along. What was that phone call. I think mike and i reference it is. We're the dog that caught the car so ask now. What do we do so we. It's a big task. It's a tall order. We have a lot on her shoulders. But it was is exhilarating to get that phone call and to hear that that i was going to be given the nod for the fourteenth president. So it's a true honor for me to be in this position. It what it time to get that phone call these challenging times for everybody around the world but certainly for you here at churchill downs talk about what last year was like what this early part of twenty one twenty twenty one has been like for you with your role at at churchill. Downs coming off twenty twenty. Which is you know kovic. Shut down everything and we. We ran the one hundred and forty six derby with no spectators which was odd out on the first september. Her saturday in september. So it's great to get back to some normalcy here for saturday may is back. We've got the springtime weather. We got dirty fever going around still have a little bit of the pandemic restrictions were dealing with. So we're not going to be at full force. Hundred and seventy thousand people won't be here this year but we will have a vibrant crowd so capacity restrictions with social distancing on the front side. We'll have you know. Probably twenty five thirty thousand people in the front side and in the infield now that the weather is is opening up we expect a a really good crowd in the infield with some limitations on capacity as well. But we're just so excited about this year's derby yeah that's gotta be a challenge in itself right opening up the infield again trying to keep people separated as best. You can wearing masks at the same time so that you can still fall in line while the protocols that are required because we are still in a pandemic talk a little bit about that might challenge so we work closely with the local health department and state public health. We put together an extensive plan. That is safe and secure. We believe we're following all the cdc protocols with wearing masks when you're not actively eating drinking keeping your social distancing out of your parties we'll have compliance ambassadors so we'll have employees as well as some some contract vendors. Walking around just reminding people jumped gentle reminders. Hey don't forget to wear your masks when you're moving. It's kind of if you move your mask so if you're standing there or sitting at your table that's going to be fine but if you're you're moving to the bathroom or the mutual window will ask you to gently. Remind you to wear your masks. So i think we got it all covered opening night. We had twelve thousand people here Everybody was respectful. It went extremely well. So i anticipate oaks and derby to be just the similar to that talking with churchill downs president mike anderson and with vice president and general manager. Mike ziegler here on the horse racing radio network. The cool thing about the two of you working together as you both bring a separate skill set to the table. Mike you served in the finance side of things you've worked in the operation side. Mike ziegler you are very much erasing person in this sport. You've certainly in in a lot of different capacities over the years. Talk a little bit about your role here at churchill. Downs well First of all. It's really great to be back at the racetrack. I haven't actually worked at a racetrack. Day-to-day since two thousand eight at a hollywood park. Thirteen years later here. I am at the pinnacle racing at churchill. Downs right before right before kentucky derby racing's actual huge passion of mine. So i have a tv in my office. I get to watch every race. If i'm not out there watching on the race track and get to see the horsemen. I mean it's it's it's a dream. Come true to be back here at the track. And you know as you said about mike and i. We absolutely complement each other. It's a it's a great scenario that that our senior leadership at i put in place here We're great friends. We were great friends before we got here. And it's a it's a thrill to be here with him. We're having a really good time It's challenging but it's fun and you know they. They actually pay us to be here at the racetrack jokes on them. Outside of the issues that are presented by the pandemic. And i think might just did a good job of laying. How things will be handled over the course of the next few days on. What is the signature. sing here. churchill downs. What are some of the other challenges that you're presented with as we move into two thousand twenty one. Well i mean my job is general manager of the race track is to oversee a lot of staff that covers everything from the parking. Lots to the janitorial to the guys you know banging nails and fixing fixing barnes so the challenge is. It's a long long haul to get to the for saturday in may keeping everybody motivated. We've got an outstanding team with a lot of great leadership and you know just making sure people are motivated to get to the goal line which is coming up pretty quickly here. How do i get that job. Were get to ride around on that zero. Turn mower and mow the turf course. I was watching the guy. Go around the other day and he just went circle and circles. If you need a bar that for your lawn you just let us know. I have one i. It's my that is my time to get away from everything. I go out to my farm hop on zero turn. And i just do a little bit more than i forget about everything. I can think that watching that guy go around mowing the day. And i mean he just kept doing laps around the turf force thinking. Wow you by being able to to mow that turf course and look at those twin spires as you go around. I mean what a job. Well that's a great segue into our huge capital project. That's coming up this summer. There you go and we didn't know the turf course is being completely renovated starting right after the end of the meat here in the spring. We're going to completely gut it. We're going to get rid of the crown. We're going to have five running lanes. We're going to put in a new blend of bermuda and rye so that it's green all year and and ready willing and able to take on more horses and safe and this time next year. We're going to be talking about one of the best of courses in the world. We're pretty excited about that. How will that affect the of course in the fall me. There's there will for all intents and purposes be no turf racing in september or the fall as we allow the new grass to take root. It's to come in as saad but unless it's perfect we won't run on it in september november to be spectacular when its done can't wait to see next year mike anderson. What are some of the goals that you now have in front of you is you. You take the lead here. With churchill downs churchill downs has done a terrific job for one hundred and forty six years before i took this role. So main goal is not screwing up here Now so safe safety insecurity especially this year coming out of the pandemic We wanna make sure That everybody's safe secure for our guests in our participants that come in and save trip on on all races. That's one of my biggest Anxiety is safe riding on the track. And i think our tracker crew jamie. Richardson has Fantastic surface both on dirt and turf. So we'll just look for safe trips around their customer service is a big Big for us. Obviously we think we're the best in the country best in the world and what we do from providing customer service so when people walk in the gate on friday or saturday we went drinks in their hand food available. It's all inclusive food drink on oaks and derby so we wanna make sure we kill everybody with kindness and an customer service. Keep everybody safe in their seats and I mean it's it's going to be fabulous. Help hope you'll get to enjoy it. Yeah it'd be a big crowd and the should be a great day you know. This is a week where a lot of people will start to reflect upon their love of horse racing their love of the derby. And if you ask anybody anywhere in the world the even if they don't know anything about horse racing they've heard about the kentucky derby they at least know what that is. Mike you and i were talking ziegler. You and i were talking about the relationship. We've had going back a long time in your family's history in the sport. Do you remember your first kentucky derby the one that you either attended or watch on tv. I absolutely remember the first derby. I attended. 'cause i loved charismatic and i tried so hard to get off of them because i read the tote board but the guys that came to derby with from bay meadows so this is way back in the day before i even got to southern california. They richard lewis. Who's now stewart northern california. He said mike even talking about this source for a really long time. Do not get off him. And it was still the biggest gambling day i've ever had. I had him in every exotic. So i'll never forget it from the exhilaration of being at churchill downs for the first time as well as cash the two of telling me every year you always hit it big so well. I'm a really really decent handicapper. I'm going to average two to midland's handicapper would good handicapper. Horrible better right horrible. But i can tell you. The horses are are going to be in contention and typically in the ballpark trying to string together the combinations i've messed up so many times. It's ridiculous that's why we have the win bed. Remember that when that's all there was. It was just win that i mean going back a ways. Yeah yeah well now you can go to twin spires just buddy combination that you wanna bet. It's incredible yeah. Jessica's got a twin spires account. That i use all the time. It's great teach me on. Does she fund it for you to own. No funding necessary. I'm playing house money still. You're the gators it how about you. What was your first kentucky. Derby memory college one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. Winning colors vaguely. Remember it but not in the infield that year the first one here at churchill employed here churchill silver charm ninety seven and it was just remarkable to see behind the scenes how everything was put together. You know months in advance to get to that point and then to watch over charm. Who i bet on. I didn't hit it big but the grey horse did me well ninety seven vitamin. It was a remarkable experience for me that year. The infield won't be typically as this year. You talked about that earlier but it is different because you had that big jumbotron now so you can see the racist from anywhere in the infield which makes it nice that it will make it easier to keep people safe distance. Yeah the big boards really transformed the infield over. The last several years most people usually congregate around the third turn and that's where the parties go on but since the installation of the big board people really camp out in the bricks in the middle of the field with a the best view of everything. That's going on so you don't really really seahorses anyway. When you're up against the fence maybe for half second so people pull back off the fence now. Separate but their blankets downer chairs down So twenty two acres in the infield. We have great place to to spread out and really enjoyed this year. You know your passion for the sport comes through. When you talk mike ziegler obviously yours does to churchill. Downs can get a bad rap. Sometimes more on the corporate side of things and certainly the racetrack side of things. What do you want people to know about. Churchill downs if they're thinking about planning a trip here whether it's this meat or in the future churchill. Downs is a special place as mike mentioned earlier. When you drive up to those twin spires it it it really hits home. And i'm a native of louisville. It's it's meaningful for me to be part of the slow community in this commonwealth of kentucky. Seeing the my old kentucky home watching the video at the derby museum. It's very emotional for me and i think people who are not from here like my ziegler from california. I think we've we've given him the derby fever. He's sick in a different way than than the covid. But i think when people come in and experienced this community. How nice people are gracious. They are how we open our doors up to everyone who comes into town this week. People fall in love with it and they wanna come back year after year. So if you haven't experienced it A highly advise you to come. There's a lot of different experiences. You can have from the infield to reserve see to a premium seats. So it's it's just emotional for me for being a native of little but then let me also touch you. You pointed out about the bad rap. Cdi gets and just take a look kentucky persons this week our one hundred fifteen thousand dollars for maidens and that's a direct result of the investment that cdi is made in kentucky racing with historic horse racing couple of miles away here at at derby city gaming. We've completely torn down turf way. Park and put in an absolute state of the art surface. Up there to make the circuit better and just wait till turf way parks. Hr gets up and running. I mean this is going to be a pretty solid place to run on a year round basis. And that's that's just tip of the iceberg oak grove down in south western kentucky new standard bread track generating purses for both the standard breads and thoroughbreds. While we do get a bad rap. I don't know of anybody who's invested more on the sport than cdi. It's a great time to be racing in kentucky and it will continue to get better in the years to come to mike anderson by ziegler. Really appreciate the visit here this morning. You got up early to be here with me on this wednesday morning of derby week and looking forward to we got up early. We've been getting up this early since december. I really then to be here with you. This is going on half months of early. But thank you mike. We greatly appreciate you coming out here and be part of this. Keep up the great work guys. Enjoy the kentucky derby. Thanks thank you so much. thank you well. yesterday's okay. Saw forty one thousand four hundred seventy two fans in attendance. Today will be a bit more than that. Don't be surprised if it surpasses fifty thousand on this derby day again trying to keep with regulations in in be in line with protocols and all of those types of things that churchill is trying to do. We'll see there were several people yesterday. milling around Not a lot of mass being worn all that kind of stuff. People were trying to stay apart for the most part. But you know you get that many people together. It's an inter- it's an interesting situation. We'll see how it plays out here on derby day later today by the way speaking of oak. Stay congratulations to mala thought. And the connections. Who won the kentucky oaks yesterday. Todd pletcher john velazquez. What a potent combination. Great moment after the race with iran ortiz. Junior who was aboard runner up search results giving a pat on the back in a fist pump to to johnny v his idol and his mentor and they had a great stretch battle yesterday to top-quality phillies. You're going to hear more from both of them up the road. And what a what a great race. That was congratulations to everyone associated with the kentucky. Oaks poll question today by the way before i get to our legends of the turf. I forgot to mention this at the top of the show. The poll question presented by odor view in the thoroughbred owner. Conference is up on our twitter. Feed right now let me know. It's pretty simple. Who is your pick to win this year's kentucky derby let me know. Hr in on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook. And yes you can email the show if you don't do social media send me an email. Mike horse racing radio dot net. Let me know your pick to win this year's kentucky derby all right time now for your lexus legends. The turf when i come back it's today's i bet and our industry star the week but i your lexus. Legends of the turf on june ninth nineteen fifty-six the field one posts word while the running of the fifty thousand dollar argonaut handicap at hollywood park in the field where language and farms porterhouse who had whipped his chief rival in this field swaps by ahead in the last previous meeting of the two in the californian the very speedy bobby bro. Cotto with a master craftsman. Johnny longden and the irons and of course swaps would come off. An injury has a three year old to make an attempt at a third world record swaps had already notched world records for one hundred six one sixteenths miles and a mile and seventy yards. The hollywood park had been especially groomed to be as fast as the one armed paperhanger in a four room apartment with a two hour deadline. The anticipation was high amongst the patrons on this day for the import of a possible record breaking performance trying to emiss- kenney said flatly and openly swaps lower citations world. Mark one thirty three and three for the flat mile record that had stood since one thousand nine hundred forty nine as the horses broke from the starting gate. It was expected that the very speedy. Bobby brokaw to- with longer than the saddle would go to the front ca. Try to steal it. But bill shoemaker got swaps out of the box like rocket down along defense and he was not about to allow himself to get shut up the speed horses outside of them going into the turn. Swaps established a clear lead going into the clubhouse turn shoemaker realized longdon was resigned playing the waiting game settling in just off the pace with bobby brooke cotto schumacher turned that strategy to his own advantage while keeping lots of course in reserve setting the early fractions swaps. Had an open lead all the way down the backside while turning a two and three quarter forty five and one for the half and one and two for the first six panels as the field swung through the fire turn the glistening california sunlight longdon made his expected. Move with bobby bro. Cotto and with a quick bursts of speed got his mount set up to shoemakers boot on the leader. The shoe went to the stick cracking the flank of swaps with hard liquor swaps responded. Get move clear. The rex ellsworth on four. Your old held sway during the run down the lane and all eyes were now on the tele timer which flashed one thirty three and one is he hit the wire a new world record bobby. Ricardo had been beaten by barely length in the supremely game effort and porterhouse in receipt of nine pounds from the swaps was six lengths further back in third swap said clocked last half mile and most impressive. Forty eight flat. It was a third world record chocked up and he was no uncertain terms to be regarded as one of the all time greats though racetrack he was blessed with class. Courage and a tremendous amount of ability. A sure fire recipe for greatness. You know not all fast. Sources are great but all great horses. They're fast swaps. Was undeniably fast indeed many observers on the scene at hollywood park on june in one thousand nine hundred fifty six belts swaps could have gone faster if he'd been pushed in the early part of the race but it was breathtaking. Leap past as it was ju- night nineteen fifty-six at hollywood park and the argonaut handicap the day swaps said his third world. Mark visionary design this performance and innovative technology. That's lexus every detail. Every moment and every emotion is craft by lexus. It leads to amazing. This is mike penner. And i can tell you personally. 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Posted on. saturday is at twelve thirty. Please note santa. anita's now open to the general public. So please visit santa. anita dot com slash open for reserved. Seating is walkup. Admission is not yet available. And if you can't join us in person all of santa anita's races are still available free of charge at santa anita dot com slash. Live band. you can watch and we'd your via. I bet that's i dot com slash beck with. I post on saturday at twelve thirty. Join tom quickly and a special guest thirty minutes early. Eddie eleven twenty. Am at santa. Anita dot com slash lied as a handicap the entire card. I post same on. Sunday will return to one. O'clock and fans are encouraged. Visit our website or call sixty six five seven four race for additional information in duds alternation rights highly among kentucky's fourth crop sires percentage of black type winners from runners with nearly five point five million dollars in earnings to date alternation was represented by five black type. Horses and twenty twenty is brilliant. Kentucky oaks winner. Starring getty empress one. The great one ballerina at saratoga was up in the breeders cup. Filly mirror sprint. First or second in six grade one events seren giddy empress amassed over two point one million dollars alternation stands at an. You'll guys they call me jersey joe but it's only job bravo whatever you like just so happy that you're listening to horse racing radio network you're listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network presented by foreign paint dot com second. Don't go outside. Kony data techy today and the five old her lungs. Mike was sixty five o gut gutter actor on the outside nyquist coming to quest. Still unbeaten peers slacker. Thirty coldness with the call of victories in the kentucky. Derby for trainer. Doug o'neill tim o'neill if you will those two thousand twelve with. I'll have another two thousand sixteen with nyquist their hot rod. Charlie horse a lot of people are talking about this week and rightfully so the louisiana derby winner just continues to show up and run big raced after big race. He is currently seven to one. In the wagering favorite essential quality. He continues in that role. He is how about this six to five six to five on essential quality. I know he's the champ. I know he's undefeated. I know he's really good and he might even be the horse to beat but sixty five. Who's taking that price in a nineteen horsfield. Not me. i think hot rod charlotte seven. One is very interesting. Rock your world second choice. Currently at odds of nine to two is the early wagering of course opened on the kentucky derby. So we'll take you all the way there on the horse racing radio network today the race scheduled to go right around seven o'clock eastern we'll have wire-to-wire coverage for you in partnership with nbc. Sports audio network. Make sure you head over to our website for more information horse racing radio dot net. Well time now to help you pick a winner and to do that. We turn to our friends at. I bet it is indeed. Today's i bet and now. Today's i bet. Today's i bet comes in race six. Churchill down the distaff turf mile which has a post of one fourteen eastern number five got stormy eight to five on the morning line. She has a thirty one percent win projection from. I bet second only to mean on the saturday card. She raised eleven points higher than the next closest competitor in this race and his top rank in five of the eight most important factors for this race. I bet she's a pure turf. Miler with nine eleven wins lifetime at this trip and would two million dollars in earnings. She's bank more than the rest of the field combined. Her oprah to lifetime record at churchill downs. It might even help. Keep the price reasonable number. Five got stormy and race six at churchill. 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Don't forget promo code sport of kings when you sign up and if you already have an express medi-cal you're way ahead of the game simply log into. I met using your username and password on your off. The laura's twenty one years old in certain states to open an account with better legal when the national support line eight hundred five to two forty seven hundred earlier this week. Our jeff bloom. Who is part of our coverage team this afternoon had a chance to swing out and stop by the burn area. In the mornings he caught up with churchill. Downs starter scott jordan. Who has done a fantastic job here. Churchill for so many years there are a lot of people in this sport. That don't even know that that job even exists and it was a great interview. This segment by the way is our industry started. The week segment is presented by stuart morris who offers boutique full-service bloodstock operation. He wants to thank. His owners is clients and his team. He knows his success is because of you and with multiple stakes sources over the past several years include henley joy our brain braintrust mel agasi southbound in recent twenty twenty one stakes winners pacific gal and nikki. The vast stewart morris is your source for success at the highest levels. You can visit the stewart morris consignments at all of the upcoming major sales. Here it is. Jeff blum with scott jordan. We are here. With scott jordan the official starter. The kentucky derby and officials started here at churchill downs. Here we are again another kentucky derby. How many years is this for you now. This'll be my sixteen thirty. But i started here at churchill in ninety five working on the stargate speaking of which. How does one go about getting involved with working on a starting gate at a racetrack. When i was younger. I was galloping horses. That's where we usually got most assistance daughters because the starter would be out there and heat see those guys galloping horses stuff and he say this guy's got pretty good hands and he gets along with the horse he doesn't fight with them and so let's see if he wants to work the gate and after noon and back in that time. That was just extra money. You made money galloping horses. In the morning you got to work the gate and it was just an extra plus. So that's how i started doing it. So your role is overseeing the actual. Start of all the races here particular. Of course the kentucky derby be of a team what what is involved with that team in terms of what their job is. How many members of your team will there be involved with the start of the kentucky. Derby what will they be doing so on kentucky derby day i put together a team of twenty four twenty six guys these guys that way. There's a person available for every horse. There's six five six guys behind the gate. So we lo two at a time so on a twenty horsfield we start one eleven those sources go in the same time that cuts your loading time down a lot. We used to single file. Twenty horses load in single file. It's going to take you a while. But luckily i ve very fortunate to have the team i do. I've got probably in my opinion. The best crew anywhere and then on those days. I've got guys that. Come in from new york from louisiana from maryland everywhere around the country and they're good hands. They come in and work those days so their job is to actually lead the horse into the starting gate get up in there with him keeping calm and make it a good experience as they can on everything and we get to start off being very fortunate that i am. We've never gone over two minutes on the loading time. Which is incredible. Considering there's twenty horses that you're loading into a starting gate. The biggest thing with loading those horses and everything these trainers have been very good about bringing them over in the morning letting us get familiar with the horses so we have a game plan when it comes to that afternoon. We already know if a horse is a little reluctant to load or something. The guys have been trained to do their job. They lock hands behind them. They put their hands together. They push the horse in there without fighting with the without. That's enough to go through those horses on that day. They've never run in front of one. Hundred seventy thousand people come through that tunnel everything else. So it's i'm sure it's frightening for them and everything else so when they come to us we're trying to make it a good experience and get him out of there and make sure it's a fair unbiased. Start for everybody. What about the jockeys in the assistant. Starters is there much communication between the two when they're in the gate. There's quite a bit. Jocks not comfortable in there. Or if a if he feels like the horses and square or something like that. He'll he'll discuss that with the guy with the but the guys like i said earlier. They're trained that's their job when they walk in a lot of them before they ever get up and stand beside the horse there's actual ledge and they stay on the left side of the horse. So before they step up onto that ledge a lot of set their horses feet before they ever get up on that ledge so when they're standing in front of them they'll drag those horses feet and try to get him comfortable at that time now is in there moving around. Yeah they're they're going to move him and try to keep everything as good as possible. So the rider comfortable. To what if anything makes you nervous leading up to the kentucky derby the whole world is essentially watching the start of the kentucky derby and. You're the one responsible for making that happen. What gets in your head if anything. What kind of nerves do you have a lot better than it used to be. I mean you still you tell yourself. It's just another race but it isn't but you'd be amazed standing out there in front of that. Many people and everything how quiet it gets during that loading time and right whereas that last goes in i mean the world rupp's the whole stands getting loud everything else. I can't hear you know the thing when i take the start. No noise is the best thing i can hear. Because if something's going on in their my guys are going to love me. No it's not i don't need to stay at. My guys are good enough. That i don't have to tell them what to do if i have to tell them what to do. I need nouvelle guys. I don't have to so if something's going wrong in there. They're going to let me know. And i use the same guy on the outside. He brings the last person in saying outside but the last horse the twenty stall he brings the last horse in. he's my years in is behind the he will not come in with that last horse. If something's going on so i'm out front looking. He's back there looking. It works good for me so that way. I've always got the same guy there. I know not. Take the start until i see him. So that's the way things kinda go okay. So you've got twenty horses loading in the starting gate. We're getting ready to see the run of the kentucky derby. How do you know for sure when it's time to press that button this. I said earlier no noise when nothing is going on. I've watched all of the horses as they're loading so i'm watching heads. I'm watching fee. Everything else has their load when they first walk in there they might be fishy and stuff. So i'll go back and view him again. If that is in there fidgeting around moving around moving he's fee slinging his head around moving back and forth and everything. i'll go back and view him again as the horses are loading just to see if he saddling and if that if he's not then that guys trying different things you know he's trying to calming down he's patting him on the head. He's you know. Try different stuff just to getting to relax in there the whole time. So as they're loading. As i'm sitting there watching him and i'm going back to those sources that i see are moving or doing this data then you can see them starting to settle and then your your nerves kind of relax a little bit but those are the horses to me when i was standing on the stand up there looking at those horses that made me nervous because keep having to go back to them just to see what they're if they're getting more worked up in there or if they're starting to relax so you just have to keep going back to those. Is it a big sense of relief when you hit that button and it appears that we've had a fair break and all horses made it out clearly when they go by me. I'm i'm about probably sixty feet in front of the gate on a stand and when they go by me and they're in that line and no one's no one's behind that straight line it's like you just conquered the world and then when you're walking back across the race track and all the guys shaking your hand good star star everything else. It's it's a great feeling. Yes it's a mile and a quarter race but so much is made of the critical start of the race and a horse could either win or lose the race at that. Starting you have such a strong hand in the outcome of that start. I could imagine that There must be a lot of joy and excitement. Wants the racist started being able to sit back watch that race. No one that that all horses got a fair break. It really is and after everything. Everything goes in. The race went smooth. There was no no incidents in the race or anything else. And then the next time your backyard churchill downs. You have the trainers there you know. What a great day your crew had and everything else. That's what we worked for. I mean we're all all of us guys on the gate were family. We see each other on the gay here in kentucky more than you do your own family. I've got your gay crew pictures of every racetrack were at. How many family pictures you get every four or five years. I've got one of every stack we're at every year. I've got more family pictures with these guys. And now i to the family. What will you do to prepare the night before for that day's races in particular the kentucky derby or will. It'll just be the same old routine for you. You've done this a lot of years. Is there anything different about the preparation for the big race really. it's not. i have guys in the morning. We keep a book where we write down what we do with every horse in the morning so if they come over to the gate and school which in schooling i mean they come over and they stand. We lead them in. We make sure they walk in. Everything's good. They're not crooked when they're walking in or anything you've got gotta keep them pushed over. We'll ride all that stuff down if he's in there and he needs a real light-handed with him who will write that down everything else so we have all those records and then saturday morning when i get here we go through those records and i put all that in my program just mine and then throughout the day when i'm doing the other races in between races and stuff i'm going back and i'm i'm thinking who do i put him with this horse match the guys to what horse i think best suits for everything but i don't give those derby horses. Those guys do not know who they have in the derby until the horses go by the starting gate and the post parade will thanks so much for joining scott and best of luck to you with another derby. Start i it. Thank you guys all right interesting stuff from starter scott jordan. Who knew i mean so many things that go into doing that job and really appreciate him taking the time he is our industry star the week that segment presented by stewart. Moore's comeback ticket. You're set for the second hour of the program here on the form on the horse racing radio network proud to once again. Be your home for the kentucky derby and triple crown gains waist down in a one point two million dollar yearly at saratoga tappers victories include the great one belmont stakes and are into the stretch. Irish war cry turns for home with tapper trying to run him down in the last furlong let two of them are a half length apart. They are clear of and patch and his war. 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The instructors broke so well. And how do you wanna go to the guy being tight and going back. I got yelled up. Jackie asking what what the heck doing guy. i'm sorry. i probably injections selena. Do that would be my first surgery. That's famer john velazquez. Three time kentucky. Derby winner winner of yesterday's kentucky oaks aboard mala fat talking about his first time at the kentucky. Derby is first experience. Having really no idea what on earth he was doing. You got yelled at by some of the other riders because he was just following instructions in the race and probably found himself in a position. He wasn't supposed to be in. He's not out of position often anymore. Obviously one of the premier writers some people would say the greatest writer in the history of the sport. The hall of famer is sensational. And today he is going to look for a fourth kentucky kentucky derby victory with medina spirit. Who is i started. The show telling you. Trained by bob baffert bob baffert trying to win a fourth kentucky derby in the last seven years and go back to back. That's just remarkable. We know how good he is. We know how good his horses are. When they show up in louisville medina spirit has been completely forgotten about by most people. This week haven't heard a whole lot of talk about medina spirit which considering the fact you're talking about six time kentucky derby winner bob baffert. That's interesting although when you look at the wagering now but the spirit is fifteen to one. So enough people are on the medina spirit bandwagon to make you think okay. Fifteen two one. It sounds like a long shot but in the kentucky derby. What's that fifth choice. Something like that. I didn't flip through all the odds but it might be about fifth choice right now anyways when i come back the second half of the program second hour of the program. Our two three is going to begin with chris. Mccarron mike smith a couple of famer sharing some crate stories. About what their experiences like. The first time they showed up at the kentucky derby. Then you're going to hear from randy moss and jerry bailey from nbc sports. Who took time to talk about this years. Run for the roses. Unsung heroes presented by clayborn. My visit with outrider greg blasi. That's at nine forty eastern in the room with. Sean clancy comes up. Ten o'clock with laffit pincay junior. Ed derosa coming up toward the end of the program at ten forty handicap all the big races including the derby later today and of course kurt bekker's stroll through racing history presented by lanes end and keeneland. That is all ahead a busy busy couple of hours. Coming your way back with our two right after. I pause ten seconds for station identification. This is the horse racing radio network. This is the big a anthony's to be with this week's hr and racing update all is in the thoroughbred racing world on star churchill. Downs today as louisville over will host the one hundred and forty seventh running of the kentucky. Derby a little less than seven months after it was run last year. A postponement necessitated by the covid. Nineteen pandemic there won't be as many people at churchill downs as their normally would on derby day total be much closer to what it's been in years pass through starting gate designed to hold all twenty runners as opposed to to starting gate system used up until last year is set to be put to full use later on today beneath the twin spires. Happy derby everyone. Hr racing they. Now let's get back to host mike pennant for our two of the equine forum. If you are just joining us this morning let me extended very happy. Derby day to everyone throughout hr nation the first saturday in. May you know it just. It didn't feel right last year. The kentucky derby being in september. I understand the circumstances. I understand why it had to happen. Certainly i think everybody does. But it just didn't feel the same but here. We are the first saturday in may the first leg of the triple crown as it should be the preakness two weeks later two weeks from today in baltimore the belmont stakes three weeks after that. This is the triple crown. This feels like a kentucky derby today and his anthony said in his update just a moment ago. Not as many fans expected. It's it's not gonna be a full house hundred fifty hundred and sixty thousand fans. But i bet you you'll be over fifty thousand today. Maybe sixty won't shock me a bit. I told you there was forty one thousand people in attendance yesterday on oak. Stay so i think fifty to sixty is a fair estimate is what we might expect later today at churchill downs and it's going to be a gorgeous day to temperatures in the low seventies plenty of sunshine should be a fast main track all day. Long great racing leading up to the kentucky derby to poll question today you can weigh in on twitter on horse racing horse racing radio network on facebook and you can email the show. Mike horse racing radio dot net. Who is your pick to win the kentucky. Derby later today let me know. Let me know. Let's see how many smart people we have out there that pick the winner of this year's kentucky derby i don't have a great track record of doing so but i know many of you do. I might be leaning toward hot rod. Charlie a little bit. We'll see that's not good news for the hot rod charlie camp. Though i jumped onto that bandwagon. I can promise you that. But we'll see we'll see. I have time to make my pick. Let me know who wins the kentucky derby this year at h. r. n. on twitter horse racing radio network on facebook mike at horse racing radio dot net. If you wanna email the show well you heard from john velazquez talking about what it was like. The first time he came to the kentucky derby now you get a chance to hear from couple other hall of famers. Chris mccarron and mike smith. Here's what. Chris had to say about his first experience at the derby. Well it was Obviously incredibly exciting. The horse kojak. A lot of people thought it was named after the famous. Tv show with telly savalas. But it wasn't that that tv show was actually spelled k. o. j. ak but Kodjak was the nickname of the owner son and They they felt that At some point when they got a good enough horse named after somebody that's would be He was trained by the great. Sonny hine and i got the mount on him in new york In the woods memorial might have been the race before that it might have been the gotham Another jockey from maryland. Tony go had been riding the horse and They came to us and asked my agent. If i would be willing to ride Go to new york and ride kodjak. Which i was incredibly flattered. I was only in my third year of race. Riding at the time. And nineteen seventy six and he was a really nice colty. Wants him stakes in maryland when he went up to new york He had a little bit more trouble with a higher class higher quality of horse but he's still ran well and then We went down to louisville and I had the time of my life That was my first time in derby. And my brother greg's first time derby as well. He was on a horse called on the sly. He finished right in front of me. And my dad flew down from boston to witness the event and it was It was one heck of an exciting trip During that time I took my dad out just to claiborne farm. And we got to see secretariat up close and personal and that was That was a wonderful experience for me. You know it's funny because oftentimes when we talk about big events like like the kentucky derby or like the super bowl for example and we hear about players that are in the super bowl for the first time that it can be an overwhelming atmosphere. Did you find it to be the case with the kentucky. Derby to chris pretty much pretty much. Yeah i kind of ticked off sunny high and the trainer of kojak a little bit. The colts didn't run as well as we expected him to. I thought we had a really good chance but he he ran kind of a lackluster race and finished. Seventh and I when i got back to the Unsaddling area. However i i did one of those cordeiro are frankie dettori leaps off of off of kodiak and i screamed. I just wrote in the kentucky. Derby that was awesome and sunny was not too happy with me because he expected the horse around much better than he did and so consequently he was A little Perturbed about the outcome and then he wasn't too happy with me that i was. I was celebrating a fantastic story as a young writer like that. You said it was just your third year of riding races. You're gonna ride in the kentucky derby. I can imagine when you get that news that you're actually going to have amount in the derby. It's it's gotta just put you on cloud nine doesn't it. Oh it certainly did. It certainly did. I felt that i was taking another leap forward Establishing myself in the jockey colony. Not just in maryland but nationally put me on the national stage for the very first time and it was It was an experience. I will never forget mike. Take me through the night before. And then the morning of and throughout the day what goes through young jockeys mind getting ready to write his first kentucky derby in those moments. Oh my goodness now. You're really testing my memory. The night before I'm sure that i just got I i had a hotel room closer to the track and knowing knowing my personality and some of the anxiety i can experience I probably didn't sleep all that great night before From sheer excitement I don't i can't tell you exactly in black and white that that was the case but my guess would be that I was i had a restless Evening of sleep On the night before the derby. But it was so much fun. Having greg bear and my dad It was just a a great experience. Just overwhelmingly Happy would you say that you were nervous. Were you confident with the emotions you remember. I'm sure i was nervous. i wrote an eighteen derbies. I was nervous and every one of them not not nervous to the point where oh no i. I don't know what's going to happen. It's not that kind of nervousness it's more The anxiety that that comes from Participating in such a huge event as kentucky derby the the enzyme body can can be overwhelming. But most of the time. I didn't let it over. Oh well means a matter of fact. I can't remember a time that i did. Let it overwhelm me. But what i learned to do over time was too. I was able to channel any kind of nervous energy into productive energy. I could focus on my task at hand. I would do all the preparation necessary to go out and compete in a race on any any race on a daily basis. I always read my race form. I developed a strategy in my head. Before i would go out to the paddock and i felt that as long as i was fully prepared i could be ready for anything and Fortunately that turned out. Pretty well for me. Was there a moment that first year. Chris that those that nervous energy and those jitters just disappeared just disappeared Whether it was before the race or it was a time that you finally settled down and said okay. This is just a horse race. You know i. I never had the approach. I heard jockeys bill heart attack is probably most famous jockey. One five kentucky derby's most famous chocolate Said that he approached the derby as just another race i. I don't know how someone can do that. You know you you. You can think that way all the way up until you get onto the racetrack. Once you walk through that tunnel at churchill downs out onto the track and look up in the stands and the infield and hundred and fifty thousand screaming people. This ain't this ain't just another as pal. This is a big one. This is the kentucky derby and so But i always i. I think the most confident. I went into the race was ninety. Four on go for gin. I could say alysheba but alysheba had a habit of finishing second and third and we although we won the bluegrass. We were disqualified from From bumping incident that occurred between the eighth and sixteen poll keeneland. And so they they. We finished first but the stewards disqualified us and I was. I knew the coke really run. I knew he had a chance derby but when it came to go for gin i really love the way. He threes over the racetrack. I breeze them a week before the derby that year. Three quarters of a mile and he just skipped over the racetrack i written quite a few horses at churchill. That didn't really care for the surface. Consequently their form was compromised. But we go for gin. He just absolutely galloped around the track work three quarters a mile and one thirteen. And i i loved the way he handled it so i i got on the phone soon as i dismounted from go for gin nick zito's barnes and i called my wife. Judy and said you're coming to the derby this year. This has got a big chance so and as you well know he went. Virtually wire-to-wire slopped day. Yeah i wish you hadn't done that. You broke my heart with holy bull that year but we're still friends. We're still talking so i. It wasn't that bad. I've gotten over it. What advice chris do you give to a young writer for example umberto rispler. Who's going to be riding in his first kentucky derby this year. What advice do you give to a young jockey. That will be making their first appearance in the derby. Just be prepared. Get prepared You do that by reading. The news about the The other horses that you're going to be writing against No no their past performance this so that no your horses past performances that you can develop a strategy ahead of time I had a plan a but i was always had in the back of my mind plan b too because if something happened leaving the starting gate were could not execute plan a then i would have to go to plan b. but my advice i advise to umberto would be to Prepare yourself as well as you possibly can going in and and then just ride the race like it's any other race now really easier said than done right last question before i let you go chris. is walking onto the track to the playing on my old kentucky home really as emotional as they say. It is for jackie incredible. Yeah yup the The downside is if you happen to be like from post postition number thirteen or fourteen in other words. If you're if you're towards the outside by the time you get onto the track be they start playing the song as the first horses. Enter the racetrack. And because it's such a large field and it takes a few minutes to for the or takes over a minute to Have all the field get onto the track by the time you're when you're number fourteen or or deeper than that by the time you get on the track. The song is over So that that was always kind of disappointing Lot of times. You're still in the tunnel on the way to track as their concluding the song but It never gets old. Mike as i stated earlier. I did it. Eighteen times. And i get goosebumps every single time. All of famer chris mccarron. Nobody better chris appreciate the visit man. Thanks for taking time to talk about that. Hey you bet mike. Thanks for having me. Great stuff from chris mccarron and yeah you know his experience much more about family well of course until he got back after the race and did his backflip off the horse or whatever he said is flying dismount in ticked off trainer sunshine but it was still a great experience for him. Mike smith on the other hand. The hall of famer had a completely different type of experience in his first trip to louisville kentucky derby for me was a bit Probably different than you'll you'll hear. It was the first time. I've ever flown anywhere to ride to be honest with you. I was very young. When i wrote my first derby. I was Seventeen eighteen years old So it was a kind of experienced gary experience lying by yourself somewhere for the first time to write a race. You know not just the race. It's a ride the kentucky derby race I'd never even got a cab before. I didn't know how to get from the airport to to the to the racetrack to be honest with you. I heard some people saying they were going to be and i caught a ride with them and That was a mistake because hey how they had to park a mile and a half away from the tracks. I had to walk for might as well have walked from the airport to the track. You would have been that would have been better off but Yeah it was exciting time. it was a big learning experience for me all the way around. Ben learned a whole lot on that one trip. I'll tell you that. Who were the people that you hitched a ride with. Were they racing fans or were. They horsemen guests. The people that were going to the racist just racing fans but group of guys are all going there was about four or five of them and i told him i was riding pine circle and they were all excited and we're excited about how you get into the track. Oh we rented a car and so they rented a car and of course they have no parking credentials or nothing so they had a part so far away. And i had this big old drag with me at the time. I didn't know if i supposed to bring all the lead with me or or what else to bring the first time i ever flew to write a race. Oh i brought all the lead. All the man bag must have weighed about two hundred pounds. Tastic wow what a story do you remember what it was like When when you showed up at the track the day of the derby. You're thinking oh my gosh. This is actually going to happen. What do you remember that moment. Just just in a beyond excited You name it. Every kind of emotional was going through me as far as excitement and and and little bit scarier. And how do i get to hear. And how do i get there. And how do i get my license. I mean it was like i said it literally was the first time i ever flew to write a race. Then i'm writing the kentucky derby of course it's so crowded you can't hardly get around anywhere but you know. Learn as you go once you get in the room. They pretty much everything. Therefore you and it's it's really pretty easy but My first experience. I spent a most of the time in the bathroom to be honest with you just going back and forth at a p and i couldn't get to that nervous i just kept going back and forth to the bathroom but what they got closer closer to the race You know of course you get more excited. But i just couldn't wait to get on. I've always been the most comfortable on on on the back of a horse at once. I got once. I was able to get on pine circle. Then i calmed way down and everything kind of selling the place and actually ran a really good race swell won the race. That was the thing ties. I first kentucky derby that he won. I think iran six i believe it was and beaten. Only maybe a lane for second. I mean it was crazy. We're all in the wire all it. You know at the same time and he finished really strong a really good race so i was really happy and then i was able to catch a ride back Afterwards to the airport with coach l. And the back of a limousine was pretty neat. How cool is that. Yeah really need. What was he like. he was just so kind to me. He had met me in jockstrap. Realize how young. I was and did a little part piece on it and I happened to run into a memorial. I was going to get a cab. they said. oh there's a cab line will man line was up about a mile long. And i just saw happen to see howard. Walking by with a group of security people going put him in his limo. I asked him if he was heading to the airport and he said yeah he said yeah. I gotta wait. And it's an jumping here with us and and and caught a ride with howard cosell back to back to the airport and got to chat with him for about fifteen twenty minutes man. It was unbelievable. That is so awesome. What advice do you give to a young rider today. That's going to be riding in his his first kentucky derby or her first kentucky derby what would you tell them and just just enjoy enjoy all of it and you know if you're nervous and you're supposed to be that's what it's all about man. Enjoy that part. Embrace that part about it and you'll you'll handle it a whole lot better. Don't try and fight an act like it's no other race or this or that you'll wind up falling apart before it's before its time and just just enjoy all of it man all the emotions that come with that. That's what's great about about the get an opportunity riding in something like the kentucky derby. It's it's it's it's a special time. If you know people tell you oh it's just like just like any other eight don't you worry about. Don't get nervous. You can't help but if you ain't nervous you eight and something's wrong with you. Enjoy all of it and and you know you learn to handle it all the whole lot better and that's the fun thing about a matter for race. Oh make me nervous and aim whereas writing to me. I always wondered. They say like when a quarterback they play in the league for a long time their veteran quarterback they say the game kind of slows down for them. They say the same thing about a hitter in baseball. Is that like that for jockeys to eventually does the whole process has kind of slowed down for you. Sure when you're on your game you're handling things right. Nervous energy meet can be a very. It's a very great thing to have because it's a powerful energy man but you can also be very bad for you if you don't learn you learn how to handle it if you just focus with it. The games already fast. You and you're not going to slow the game down the game's going to be as fast as it is anyway. But just don't make it that. Fasten your head and you'll learn to just focus and slow it down and and use that energy in a positive way everything just slows down for you. Man just becomes a whole lot. Easier safe travels getting over here. Hopefully i get a chance to say hello and If you need a ride back let me know. Yeah you gotta buddy. I don't wanna get a car now. All right man. Thanks very much later. Hard to picture. Mike smith a young mike smith arriving at the derby and not having any idea how to get to the race track. Come on today. He is going to ride it. His twenty-seventh kentucky derby that will pass bill shoemaker for most derby appearances all time by jockey. And he is one of the classiest. Guys you're gonna meet in the sport of thoroughbred racing. And all the best of mike smith and thanks to him for sharing those stories. Hope you enjoyed them from chris. Mccarron and from mike smith in that segment first time at the kentucky. Derby not anymore now. They're seasoned veterans. Of course. Chris retired but mike season veteran when he shows up later today aboard midnight. Bourbon gonna get to another break when i come back. It's time for your calling. All three year old segment presented by spendthrift and a visit with randy moss and jerry bailey from nbc sports. This is the equine forum presented by farm paint dot com at h. r. r. in the spring me is back at churchill. 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Dave johnson had the call on the network television coverage in boy was it spectacular to see grindstone storm through the stretch to run down cabin. Of course that if you were a cavalier fan but if you were grindstone fan or a d wayne lukas van. It was pretty darn good. He got up in the final jump. He won that race he was the last instill as the last louisiana derby winner to go on and win the kentucky. Derby that is what hot rod. Charlie will be trying to do later. Today is he. And bobby newman's top five. Let's find out they're all online and they're all spendthrift farm presents calling all three year. Olds with bobby newman. It was a long strange trip but today's the day kentucky derby one forty seven. But this week wasn't without big news and a lot of parody. First off connections of dream shake decided to pass on running in the derby opting for the one turn pat day mile earlier in the day. That allowed bob baffert hosur to draw to the derby field but that only lasted a few hours as baffert withdrew from consideration. That defection allowed kenny. Mcpeek king fury to get in the lexington stakes winner is proven on synthetic tracks. But it's been working very well lately on the conventional dirty. He's also made a good impression. Galloping churchill downs. This week then came word. That peter miller get her number would skip the derby which was strange since he only got in by virtue of concert tour citing a few days prior to forego his chance. This made room for the rover. Tino diadora trainy keep me in mind. He was a very two year old and won the kentucky. Jockey club is a maiden last year but his two starts this year have been subpar nonetheless. He's in and as they say you gotta be in it to win. It and finally caddo river had slightly elevated temperature prompting trainer brad cox to pull him from consideration this made room for remington winner brooklyn strong connections gladly accepted. Put it all together and a very evenly matched diverse field of is set for. Today's run for the roses. I'll be back with this week's top five list right after this word from spendthrift lord nelson one of only three sprinters last decade to win three grade once in a single year along with champions. Run happy and matola. His three consecutive grade one victories included a stakes record performance in one. Oh seven and three fists in historic bing. Crosby stakes douse another dominating performance. As in the bank crosby and unrivaled blend of elite speed and pedigree more nelson pulpits last. Great son look for his first crop. Selling at the upcoming two year olds in training sales. Spendthrift the breeders farm. This week's top five list of derby contenders looks like this number. One is essential quality undefeated last year's two year old champ. The morning line favorite for the kentucky derby number two known agenda impressive winner of the florida derby. He's won his last two starts in a row through the disadvantages inside post for his run for the roses number. Three highly motivated son of intimacy. If gave essential quality. All he could handle in the bluegrass and continues to improve number. Four is rocked your world. He's also undefeated winner of this year. Santa anita derby and number five mandolin. Another son of intimacy. If disappointed in louisiana derby but he's looked very good at churchill. Downs this week. My selection for the kentucky derby the chad brown trainee highly motivated. That's calling three year old segment presented by spendthrift the breeders farm. A great stuff. And bobby heard that for months now leading up to the kentucky derby our thanks to spendthrift for sponsoring that segment calling all three roads. Bobby newman did a fantastic job. Summing up his thoughts on who he thinks are the top contenders coming up later today. Post time for the derby. Seven o'clock eastern. But what about jerry. Moss and randy belly randy moss and jerry. Bailers flipped that around a little bit randy moss and jerry. Bailey from nbc. Sports time earlier this week to stop by and visit with jude. Failed and with bobby newman. Derby countdown show. Here's what they had to say about the run for the roses june. I have differing opinions about the post position draw. I think it's important. He doesn't think it's as important known agenda through the one hole. And i want to ask you guys a question two ways on this jerry as an ex rider randy. I'm going to ask handicapper if you're the writer unknown agenda. What does that mean for you. And what advice would you give iran ortiz. Many people think is the best writer out. There right now is certainly one of the top riders if not the best and randy as a handicapper. If you're somebody who have liked known agenda how does this affect your handicapping. How much time do you go ahead. You go first. So i will tell you from experience. What you think is a good post can become a bad post at the break. You could get squeezed. You could break slowly. You could stumble. And what could be a bad post. You know what you think might be. A bad post can become a great post if you break well so it's all about breaking and get an early position no matter what even from the one and my philosophy was by the wire the first time without being knocked around too much. Where about where you want to be. You can never be exactly where you want to be in the kentucky derby early just no way if you get with an linked or to i wanna be mid pack. I wanna be around six rate links off the lead if you can do that without getting knocked around and then you take. What's given you after that. What jerry just said about the hell bedposts can become a good post vice. Versa is the primary reason post position draw is the most overrated part of kentucky derby week when we used to do the draw. Live on. Espn and on nbc. I used to be crying to be able to say that on the air and they used to tell people what watch and as far as the number one post position goes listening to owners and trainers on the back side. You would think that there's a pit of quicksand just in front of post position number one and the geometry the basic laws of geometry. Don't apply when you get to the kentucky derby wise calvin burrell number hall of fame because he made a beeline to the rail in one three kentucky. Derby says a result. If you go back and you take the number one post positions even 20-horse fields and you look at the odds of the horses that break from the number one post position their odds ranking in the field on average versus break from post position number. One run better than their odds right. Some horses have a running style. That might be disadvantaged by the rail but in a lot of cases the whole rail phobia is just completely blown. Really is a great position known agenda. He's going to say ground going into the first. Turn it okay. Here's one more thing. And i'll shut up about it. People are bringing their you know whatever about known agenda breaking from the rail right and you heard the stat. Probably ferdinand is the last source from post number. One thousand nine hundred six win. It's it's a terrible thing. He's burri studied that terrible jockey on central quality posts fourteen. How much have you heard people raving about post. Fourteen percents quality perfect post. You know when the last one from post fourteen in the derby carry back nineteen sixty one and he got lucky. You don't hear anything about bad. It's relevant a little more philosophy about writing it. You try as a writer. At least i. Did i try and save as much ground. I turn as you can. Because chances are you're going to have to go somewhat wide starting to make your move on the second turn so at least if you can save ground on one turn your head of a lot of other horses because do you think essential quality can be four on eastern win. That good nobody can know. So would that post. There's a very good possibility. We did the race simulation. And i think there's a very good possibility he'll be at least four hundred on both turns. So what's he going to try and do in the first turn. He's going to try to get closer to the rail a little bit. I think everyone tries to get closer to the rail but you know in reality. Five of them may get over to the rail and the other ones aren't gonna get over. You would be surprised. How many riders mindset is. All right. i'll take three y trip. The first turn as long as i'm in the clear well unless you think you're three or four links better than anybody else. That's probably the wrong loss to take now. Are you saying that as most raw how many riders or how many are the experienced writers thinking differently than the guys who are maybe in their first or second derby's as far as that goes getting in and around that i turn. I think i think it has nothing to do. So much with experience is what what. Your mindset is strategically. Do you do you place a lot of emphasis on your strategy in a race. So we got a loose horse in the background. Like you can hear. Jerry mentioned the simulation you know. We have this fancy dandy ray simulation where we predict where the horses were going to be going around the racetrack. Fancy graphics and everything with the horses and silks and all that so jerry collaborate on this before we talked to the graphics people and we start laying out the race Who we think's going to set the pace rock your world but dina spirit right there right behind him. Hot rod charlie and some of the other horses bourbon midnight bourbon and manned loons not going to be too far off of it. We start laying them out. Okay where should these sources be and get you a central quality and all the horses that are inside of him in order gonna be in front of them. We're like holy crap. He may be five wide on the first turn. And then you get to the second turn. We kind of saw the same thing. So we think that's. That's the biggest potential pitfall for the favorite is is trying to work out a trip to avoid being caught really wide from post fourteen. So so bob. You're a golfer how they say that you know. The tournament can't be one on thursday or friday but it can be lost. It's the same thing with derby into first time but you can certainly lose it. So i think you enhance your chances if you can get to the first turn unscathed as far as physical contact and without losing much ground and then you have to take what the race gives you. We did a feature piece for the derby about jockeys first time experience at the kentucky. Derby and chris mccarron. Mike smith and johnny velazquez participated in that and Johnny was saying that the kentucky derby is exactly opposite of any other mile and a quarter race because usually jockeys wanna save lives and in the kentucky. Derby everybody's riding like a quarter horse race out of the gate immediately Do you find it that way. And and what's your experience. Oh yeah it's definitely. Everybody wants a good position early so everybody scrambling to get it. And it's take no prisoners. I mean you wouldn't give your brother or your mother a chance. The first of a mile and the kentucky derby so yet to that degree but you have to have the horse to do it too and it's a fine line because a lot of horses if you ask them from the starting gate for some energy you might not get them to relax after that so you have to ride that line of all right. Let me ask my horse just enough to get a position. I'm happy with but then kind of let him tone back down and relax so that he has enough energy for late in the race. And that's why. Jerry was so impressed last year with the way. Johnny velazquez rode authentic and the kentucky derby and how he thinks drew. Rosario should ride rock your world right because leaving the haskell stakes with all the speed that authentic had in his week is he was at the wire. I thought there's no way he's going to get a mile and a quarter. He was dying at eight. I was on the same train as you so john. The last of the outside post he set so still and you have to have a very good set of hands very very light hands on a horse and he broke in just stayed still like a statue out there now he was no more than a linked off the lead linked in half off the lead but he knew as he traveled from the gate to the wire the first time that as soon as he opened his fingers authentic would pull him right to the lead so he waited until the last possible moment to open his hands and give authentic q. Us from speed now and he did that cleared the field instantaneously and was on the rail by the time he hit the first time without using hardly any horse it all and i think that's the mindset that joel rosario should take on on rocky world guys were a little short on time. Really appreciate that. Little short thing bobby before we get your final thoughts on on the oaks and the derby. I'm gonna tell you real funny story. You're talking about grindstone. Who is your second kentucky. Derby winner back in nineteen ninety-six. I loved editor's note that year. Who was also over farm thankfully back then they still let re entries run. In the race. I would not have bet grindstone loved. Editor's note or five weeks too. Early editor's note. Made his patented late run for a nondescript fifth or whatever he finished in the derby's but of course grindstone was a cavalier that you wore down in in the final johnson in those those then famous overbrook. So i know they're short on time. This'll be quick just to your point about what to expect from. Writers grindstone was always put me in the race. Louisiana derby foiling sought the lead. And i had horse every time i could have been on the lead. If i wanted to arkansas. Derby not too dissimilar. So i thought i'd be within five six links turning leaving the gate in the derby i was. I think fourteenth early he just was flat. Footed and i had no horse early so those are the kinds of things can happen to writers. You don't get what you expect to get and you have to adjust afterwards. Does that take some out of you. Do you feel like you had the heck out of me. I said there's no way he's going to run. He's never been dissolved before early in the race. It's wild then you just play the hand that's dealt you keep up the good work and thank you so much for joining us this morning. You guys to keep up the good work. Thank you bye blue through three breaks. Thanks to all right appreciate it. I've never seen so many initials on anybody's badges. And you guys have got to go after. Jerry bailey from nbc. Sports kind enough to join us a busy derby day edition of the equine forum continues next with unsung heroes presented by kleber. And it's a segment. You won't want to miss. This is the line forum presented by far paint dot com on h. r. n. When it's time to paint the fences and barns thank farm paint at farm you get the industry's best coatings and paints factory-direct direct at lolo. 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Hey everyone it's the baron with this week's north of the border report presented by woodbine entertainment in this week's edition trainer krista coal simpson shares. Her thoughts on queen's plate hopeful candy overload and trainer. Nick no sawako discusses his stable candy. Overload is thirty two one in the queen's plate winter book. He is a son of reload out of mayor by the name of mindy candy so the name counterfeits owned by denny andrew's northern don stables and krista coal simpson who is also the trainer. He has a record of one win and one third place. Finish from three lifetime starts and his trainer definitely thinks these looking the part he was training at nile brennan's farm and really stood out. He's a pretty bay horse with a lot of muscle on him. I immediately thought. Wow this is a good looking horse. Everybody that sees him says he's such a nice looking horse she also credits his mindset saying everything we asked him to do he always did it right. The first he ran he was hitting the face with a clump of grass. And it's is swelled up. I was expecting much more from in that race and when he was flat. We all wondered what had happened when we got him back to the barn. We had the vet come. I could ride him for two weeks. After being gelded candy overload returned in october so it all seems to have worked out coal simpson knew he was going to be a nice horse. But didn't think of queen's plate right away she did however say you always dream about it. Keep dreaming krista. In other news trainer. Nick waco comes off of a year. He would just as soon forget he. Just never got rolling. Turn out to be his worst season in fourteen years but he has regrouped after selling some horses while spending the winter in florida. He bought ten more horses. He said i went to all the options. And all the sales. I went to the keelan. January sale and the oh vs sale and i went to basic than in kentucky about a couple online through the auctions so i restocked thinking this pandemic was all over. I'd either be really smart or really stupid now. I'm not sure what i am. I guess we're hopeful. So are we nick. Good luck in two thousand twenty one. And that's north of the border report presented by woodbine for this saturday morning for more updates and racing information visit woodbine dot com or follow along on twitter at woodbine tv three time. Derby one in jockey. Gary stevens nick. Hi my name is shawn bridgman. Hi my name is at into cooperation. Radio you're listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network presented by foreign paint dot com. Heroes in the world of sports are not uncommon. Oftentimes thrusting themselves into the limelight through unimaginable. Feats back bible woods. Tiger is back on top. The two thousand nineteen masters champion and breathtaking performances. Here's how you count the three to for the time college basketball championship. Trophy is coming home to kentucky. But behind every great hero there are others individuals who play a crucial role in the achievements of those we read about in the headlines the ultimate team players content to stand behind the curtain embracing their place as a vital part of a sports success in horse racing. These are the unsung heroes. Will the sport of thoroughbred racing is indeed filled with unsung heroes. The people who work tirelessly at the race tracks in the barn areas and at the farms every single day and don't often find themselves in the spotlight lead. Outrider greg blasi is one of those folks here at churchill downs. He's been doing it a long time. And he and his team are just fantastic and he is. This week's unsung hero. Congratulations buddy thank. You thank you very much. You don't look at yourself as a an unsung hero or even a hero in any way do you. Now i mean you know people use the word lead outrider number one out. I don't look at myself like that. I've been blessed to work with a lot of really really good outriders. I got four gray guys that i work with. And you know it's a teen thing and you're not gonna do it by yourself and everybody thinks they are is wrong and i've been doing this too long so without the people that i work with. I wouldn't be any better than anybody else. You say that. But i'm standing here at your barn on the backside of churchill downs and i'm watching you coordinate everything for the kentucky derby and you have to coordinate everything from the entire that outriders are gonna wear your pulling out red jackets from a box and you're making everybody gets the right sizes so you can all look sharp on derby day. Well yeah i mean like these days are big you know for churchill and you know we try and look for best in you know so. Yeah that's it's it's just a matter you know just handing out stuff. It ain't hard. How does somebody become an outrider. How did you get started. It's funny you know people will come in the paddick. And they're bringing their kids over and when they won our job and first thing i do is tell them well. You can quit school now because you don't have to be smart and usually they shuffler. Kids away really quick. But know i got my whole life. I started out under my dad working for him. And my uncle and galloping horses been blessed to gal for some great trainer like frankie brothers wayne. Lukas todd pletcher and I got an opportunity to outriders here called me. And tommy gillan and outrider had a heart attack and one going to be able to work anymore. They call him asked me if i was interested in. You know pony horses my whole life. I trained for a little while you know. I worked on ranches horses. So you know just i tried it. I liked it. Fortunately i've been blessed to have good horses which is another big factor besides your team and you know being a good outrider so i've been blessed to have good horses and i've been lucky. We understand the term outrider. There are people listening that maybe thinking my goodness what on earth is an outright or what is that job explaining basically. We're in charge of keeping the horses. The exercise riders the people on the race track safe in the mornings. You'll have sixty or seventy horses going all different directions. There's rules that we enforce and you know it's our job to police the race track. They won't let me carry a gun. Thanks to anger management anyway. It's you know an an afternoon. We're in charge of get into the horses to the gates on time you know. There's certain post time and you have to have them there on time. You know of course if a horse gets loose and it's our job to catch it and you know we pride ourselves on doing a good job here. And i think we do and i think most to me if i have the respect of the trainers the jockeys i mean that means a lot so you know those are the people that we work with on a daily basis. How do you earn that respect by doing a good job. I think and you know being good you know and what we do. So what's the mo- being outrider can also be very dangerous job. What's the most dangerous part of your profession. I don't know people look at it like it's dangerous but if you're riding good horses you know what you're doing you got good people around you. It's funny how people you know they'll see pictures of you doing something and then look very smart and there's a fine line between bravery stupidity and we cross it all the time but you know like the first thing that happens to me like people say man you got two kids. You can't do that anymore. Dissenting another that's the first thing that pops into my head when a horse gets loose or something happened than i need to quit because if you're worried about her getting hurt you're going to get hurt and that's just trust him my horses you know these guys. I work with my back. So you know and i just like i have there so i don't know it just. It's not something that you know. I ever worry about horse gets loose in the morning. A horse gets coming out of the starting gate. What's the protocol in place for an outrider to make sure you do everything right. I mean people. Safety is of the you know i mean yeah you want to catch every horse but if you run over three people and get two or three people trying to do that. Then it's not successful. I mean it's not all about catching the horse. I you know people are the. I stressed that a lot. You know people are of the utmost you know and you know you don't catch them all you're not going to. I don't care how good you are. Good you already. You're gonna miss them. It's if it was easy everybody do it. So you know i mean and people think just because they can ride a horse then they think it's it's it's not. It's not easy at all so you have to be strong and you don't have to you have to know one and one that's stopped and do you know like i said it's more about especially in the morning when there's so many people out there like i. It's about keeping them safe. It's not so much about the loose horse. Then you kind of have to be a team with your pony too right well. Yeah i mean you don't wanna be leaning out. They're going as fast as you go and have to worry about him. Not staying there dunkin or tell me about your pony i. I've had several. I met a lot of good ones. I mean i've been doing this. This will be my twenty second derby. So i've had a few And like i said. I've been blessed to add good horses and you know i've got a horse peewee. That arrived derby day. That you know has really can handle the crowds and stuff. I got a really pretty palomino. But he's coming along but he's still got you know you know you just find them where you can. How do you know when your horses ready for the big stage derby day. Well like me sitting out in front of the gates. You better not have to worry about him. Screaming behind you and having twenty horses run by you. Don't want to end up in the middle of the field and have them call the race. 'cause you know so you just kinda know i mean if your horse many and you've been doing this long enough you have an idea what you're gonna do. So there's no formal training that goes into being an outrider. It's a good horseman. And you have to know the helps a lot. I mean you know and just being able to read livestock and horses and see you know and like when you work with guy. Long as i have lee lockwood and stuff you know i can. I can see something happened and a half mile away. I know where he's going with the horse. I know what he's gonna do. He knows where you know. Just being able to see situations like that you you you just know. I mean my theory. Easy the habit or you don't do you have a story like to tell people about Pawning some of the horses to the post for race the kentucky derby are there other memories that stick out to you over the years. Probably one of the funniest memories is my first one on barbara when you know of course edgar pro you know. And he got his helmet up in the air and we're jogging back on the outside fans and everybody's cheering and he doesn't even have the reins and i guess it's of my sixth sense of humor but all i could think about was like spurting often you know lee rolling him off the back of that horse and i told him that about a year later. I said i didn't do it but i can't tell you think about it. I mean that's this. I don't know you know we all cut up. We have a good time. You know. I really like having jocks that you know enjoyed ourselves. Enjoy their job johnny. Jose ortiz him guys. you know. it's their long days. You know got a. I don't know if it's no fun and you don't to do it anymore. Who determines which outrider is going to be which horse racing the kentucky derby well like. I usually have been a good friend of mine sean. Bresso was getting ready to retire. And i let him bring super saver bag. And i'm glad i did because about a year later. He died. So that was one of my fondest memories of derby his and he he really enjoyed it so it's one of those things that i'm really glad i did it. Yeah it means so much to any outright or to be able to bring a kentucky derby winner back it's It's one of those moments that never don't you know and i've had a lot of you know and i'm getting towards the end of my career planning on you know stepping down here for long. You know it's the young man's deal and you know i'm not gonna say it doesn't matter as much anymore but after twenty two of them you know you know it's time lead other people start doing it and you know i'm not saying it doesn't matter to me. I do still enjoy it. But it's about time when you do step away and you do retire. Let's call it retirement when you retire right off into the sunset. What are some of the things are going to be most proud of when you think back on your career. I think just the that trainers suspect and jockeys in the i think back you know when i come around and i had a lot to learn. I was blessed to be you know with john. Neal who's a great outrider glenn webster. He he passed away. Here oaks day a couple of years ago long time ago you know but it just seems like yesterday you know to be blessed to have worked with people like that. That's what it means a lot to me. It's a family and the family is very close. Very tight and greg get to do it again here on on saturday. Let's go have some fun to kentucky derby. Thank you greg blasi. This week's unsung hero. Such a privilege to be able to bring you. Those types of stories are sport is filled with unsung. Heroes like greg blasi and if you know somebody that you feel deserves to be recognized as an unsung hero in our sport nominate them today. You can do it by emailing me. Horse racing radio dot net. And i will do my absolute best to recognize them during these unsung heroes segments the weeks and the months to come wonderful stuff from greg blasi very touching ending to that unsung heroes segment to gonna come back. Get ready for the third hour of the program on the forum on the horse racing radio network proud to once again your home for the kentucky derby and triple crown either bear off freaked and stakes. You're listening to the horse racing radio network your home for the triple crown. This jackie brian hernandez for me. 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That comes up if if our station if your local stations indeed leaving us at this time all you have to do is head over to horse racing. Radio dot net serious to nineteen. Xm to a one as well to Follow us for the final hour of the program that begins with in the room with sean clancy that kicks off right after. I pause ten seconds for station identification. This is the horse racing radio network. Welcome to the equine forum presented by foreign paint dot com sixteen ago. It's torture in the term again. Agenda is a perfect example of the worst took seems to be getting good at the right time and was just improved watts to starts especially with the addition enters really made a difference in his early race focused and and kind of assumed to be the turning point came and moving in the right direction. But i thought you know at therapy was as the race that we've always felt like he had in him and it was great consume deliver that performance and amount of a good shape and excited about the fact that he's always give us the impression that a mile in the quarters right in israel. House looks like redonda town. Helium repels the talent. It's an a huge effort. I was just looking for you. Know a good solid race in tampa bay derby and joined down the backside. I was like the forces running. Good that there's no way he can keep running and then he still kept coming and then even turn it around when that got to him. I said well good second. We can build on this and then when he came back to win. I've said this is my forty years training. I don't know that. I have ever had to overcome so much to win a race. And it's going to be rock your world. take them all the way in the run. Happy santa anita derby. He's undefeated and wins by four. Want to enjoy it a lot. I realized how you know how hard it is. You know you can catch bad weather. You know a lot of things could go wrong. Get wiped out. Start having been there. I know how tough it is. And i really wanted to experience. And obviously it's the best pants up gone told what at fort lewis. Band balloon mandal. Loon proxima midnight bourbon. With full-blown gelo aunts mendel owned a mandolins the risen star stakes. The position weren't exactly where we'd like to be. We have to really good shots in the kentucky. Derby to really good colts and you know this is the biggest stage in the thoroughbred industry in north america. As far as i'm concerned to me. I've never thought about breaking record they happen. I usually hear about him afterwards. I didn't really realize it till after we wanted to. I'm just you know you're just trying to get there and You know when i when i'm racing. I guess i can look back on it. But i never. I never set a goal. Like i want that recor-. I want to win that one. I mean there's certain races. I haven't won. I like winning them. I tell them. Pretend you've won that race. Really know but i really don't pay attention to that too much now. Here's mike boca back. Our three of the equipment for rolling on happy derby day throughout hr in nation and across the world across the country. It is a spectacular day for the sport of kings. Going to be gorgeous to in louisville kentucky here temperatures going to be in the mid seventy s plenty of sunshine should be fast main track for all the races on the main track today and the turf course probably gonna be Probably going to be firm. I would imagine. I think it's gonna be a unbelievable day for the sport of kings Mike pence baron of the stretch back with you here on the form presented for the whole month of may by farm paint. If you missed any portion of the show all you have to head back to our website horse racing radio dot net. You can check out the podcast. My interview with churchill. Downs president mike anderson and vice president general manager. Mike ziegler kicked us off right around eight fifteen eastern time scott jordan our industry star of the week he is the starter at churchill. Downs that interview really cool with jeff. Bloom chris mccarron. Mike smith sharing their thoughts on their first experiences at the kentucky. Derby some fun. Stories there. Randy moss jerry. Bailey from nbc. Sports talking about the kentucky derby itself and Greg blasio unsung hero. Just a short time ago. That segment presented every other week by clayborn. Well our three is going to be busy to laffit pincay. Junior is one of the greatest riders of all time. He is a kentucky derby winner and earlier this week he took time to go in the room with sean clancy that segment coming your way. Shortly curve becker's stroll through racing history comes up right around ten thirty. And then ed derosa will join me. Edward twin spires brisk net. He's part of our brisk net dot com colin. Show team. He is going to be with me at ten forty eastern to handicap all the big races and take you inside the kentucky derby with his thoughts on who he thinks will win this year's run for the roses but it is time now to kick off hour three with through which includes they took the well. Wedding of this is in the room with sean quincy. I'm sean plant. And i'm in the room jockey. Laffit pincay junior nine thousand five hundred and thirty wins two hundred and thirty seven million dollars in earnings five eclipse awards. The hall of fame. Seven breeders cup. Wins by coa skywalker. Town affirmed perot creme. Fresh caveat gate dancer. Styling john henry swail spend a buck awesome. Career is my pleasure and honor to be in the room with jockey pinkai. Welcome to the show. I sean thank you for having me this morning. it's our pleasure It's the first. Saturday may would jump right in there. You won the kentucky derby and nineteen eighty four with swell. Tell us about that moment for you. I know you've been trying for a while. What was that like for in your career. Yes that's right The win their own. Swear what's a drink through. I've been trying for so many years to try to win trying to win that race and always something happening over something that that It just being call my way sometime. I got control sometimes my horse loose. It looks like the way there. And and he. He prayed to the stretch channel at times Gray horse like cigarette tatyana spectacular bid and beat me so i use for a while in think i was going to be able to win and then literally soda. You can get him demolished on shown on winning you know he he was a he was really really fabulous day. Take us through the trip with a drink trip. Did you feel like you were going to win the whole way. One of those races. That's just as smooth as silk or what was that like. Yes i do that That's where i'll have some speed. You know and i and i use it to get position i i wanted to make sure that I didn't lose that much. Ground the first turn. And which i did. I was laying in therapy lane. Hours laying perfect mostly way and He your from then on your follow all was i was In fact i think i I move. I'll eat bit too soon. Voting because bi you'll fade the three or four between three or four and a half four. She got tired. And i find myself when they leave and i went to weigh barrymore but anyway i wasn't believe and when the strikes goal naive when he switched leap i asked him. And it's not a highly hardware enough him and i hear him up refined less and there and then hung rhodium and as the wire came. Close you know. I just fred really really good than grocery crossing the while he was really really. It finds last moment for me in my career. no doubt then the funny part about being a document that that was actually about halfway through your career but being jockey never know how long your career will ask so. You must be getting that kind of sense of urgency like you. You really want to win win. One adamant that is a career maker. Yeah yeah. I don't reason i i had a i. I don't know. I kept thinking that that was going to be my last chance to win the derry. For some reason i had that idea and Of course i fairly brazier Before we raised. Because i really really wanted to win the race and i watch very fortunate to win it because the deterrent debate the last. Ray he ron prior to the therapy. He wrote in running the lexington handicap and He he got he got the way off. And my agent told me that I think we should move to another horse. I was riding in california. And he thought he he had a better chance to win the lottery. And i for some reason that he asked me because most of the time he being asked me. You know your own you know. So so i said to him. No no no no. We're going to stay on well because he thinks you feel priors like in fire in the in the florida berry east. He's going to be very to to to be and then got that the i made a while. Yeah that conviction right. I mean you get your faith in your horse and it's so important when when when you're jockey right that's right. Well i only have trading him. I had fade on the train. I don't say the you know. And he put me in a a lotta winner. So yeah. I think he had a lot to do with it. Yeah what was it like riding for what he stevens. I mean you got on those good horses. Caveat swail and what was he liked to ride for. Give you a lot of instructions or give you a lot of confidence. What was that like. No he gave you confidence. But he's squeezing trojan where good where good and and I in fact when when when i When i won on caveat. I remember that He before about race. He's raising sure. Speed for some reason and He won in and training. He when i went into the baruch i thought he brought he. He probably want me laying down For five for six you know but he came through the fire on any said to me. Listen you're stake be source way back surprise. That's how that having confidence in the horse because most train and went to see the their horses gross the as on that they can they can. They can seem growth in not that far back well. He told me you're taking your second feuerbach. Also i did. And showing off. He can begin to became flying. In you know was the win. The belmont right wanna three in a row. I guess yes that's right. Wow and and other guys you wrote for a short like a guy like chandler wittingham. What was he liked to ride for the same thing. Give you a lot of confidence or instructions. What was he like now. He was very very good. The only thing. I remember he used to say he used to say to me. Listen this is shown. You're getting some ruin to to to go. It's like ten years. Don't get it through your immune outside and you have reading horse. You know he was such a great rain here. Yes yeah for sure. And and you chase. Bill shoemaker his career wins That was a marked for you for a long time. What was that like when when you reach go schumaker. Was there a moment where you had a took a deep breath or what was that like. I know what happened to be a role of your stick to go after him. Yeah well i'll tell you It was also. I drink through through direct road. They best writer my idol and I i for for it once. They got closer. You know Even though i wasn't i wasn't getting that many miles. But i just get the hope and i kept trying and i switched my diet and things are going better and later by either when rose. I remember when when i was about maybe a hundred wieners behind. Not say i'm gonna do it. I do it you know and ran off throws and that day came up and you know he was He was from he really worth. I as jackie. I mean it is the individual winners. But i mean it's funny to look at some say okay. I'm eight hundred behind but you can't jump ahead. You gotta see this one by one every day and it's really applying your charade and working out right. Yeah exactly especially when you get older you know. Yeah you reading the trainers. They are a little bit hesitant to to use your arm and some some guys. Don't carry know some guy respect speer your your ability for some guy. They vary their wanted. They anything for their any way. Whatever they might think is he is older you know and they start using the the younger writer at the guy. The guy that they look Probably better on the horses and and that's what it is of business you know. Everyone wants to be h here as you know so. And you can branding you know. He's a lot of pressure. The trainers wants to win the youngest one to win the want to win. And they always look for the winner so He's trump's it's all very tough. Business are now even tougher now because they are no many horses. You know rideshare. Yeah i know that many horses especially for the young writer that he wants to to source to source. Yeah and and become you know those thing. How many nominee horses to ride every day because top rider they wanted are winning all the races. They are right there And working highland and picking out the best mount and he stuff yeah. Hey i never thought about as jackie thank you you get as you get older. You think you'd have more People would have more confidence but but actually as you get older you still have to. You almost have to prove that you still have it right to train. Yeah exactly you're all. I asked him if you're a mike career. When i was down on our i can i can. I wasn't arriving that many good horses. And but i somehow working hot air run through the different thing and trying to improve myself on. He thinks he work a work. Every time every time that i got my my my my mining toilet got doing better. You know even though the shoemaker's rector. I watched in doing that. Good that i was going to move to northern california. I was mind then yes ending. I changed my mind lasts me and i said Where he wanted to stay over here and keep trying. I gotta change shane shopping. Know and then i changed. My diana's eating very healthy very nutritious Food and it my mic are my my strength. When all my energy. I start writing better and winning races again. That's how i got to To break the record. And after i retire really so good that i can get by doing the same thing you see on. And yeah very healthy and You know. I'm seventy four years. So and i stayed feel very young. I could do anything right now. You know i love it. You don't split that peanut for four ways on a flight. I mean that's a great story right now. Is that really true that through. I don't remember no. It's a great some of the great race track story about. Yeah you're gonna peanut and splitting it and four four pieces and eating it across the a flight but Yeah i mean that. That's that's great to know that you you're seventy four. You retired with a broken neck. But that doesn't bother him and you're you're in good health today. Yes not at all you know for a while. Really you got everything every time. I b Something is strenuous. The got pains in who tried to Food mustache my neck and trying to alleviate it you know but I signed whereby you know. I don't have to do anything anymore. I mean they find. He really is fine. You're that's great. Who was the best store she wrote. I mean i. I know it's a tough question like a child. But the you know. Brilliant of affirmed or Quirkiness a gate dancer or bay akot Who who would you. I mean you're undefeated on firm to who was the best whereas definitely definitely a firmware. The best horse i ever terrorist was going c. span. He way he He broke a few records. You know he's smart whores I could do anything i want to him. He could be has a good come from behind. Believe me he could do so many ping so i'm source you know yes the Very smart horse. And you can. I you can feel that you get on psych affirm you even not even if you didn't know who it was you'd feel good that ordinance. Oh definitely from the beginning you know. I thought he was something very special when he came through to. Hollywood fire that fair share he. He only broke his mainly one. Maybe a couple of racing making allowance. Race i think and then he can do ride the state Hollywood part and then Last hour by when money. I want you to walk these horse for me and my my half tony allies to write a group to get off last right and so I went to work in the morning and Working and believe me he was looking around. You know when. I went five. Eight seven mile. It was looking around. You know and and like you know. I didn't want i say i don't want him to walk to throw either. You know but i don't want to file but it seemed like it went five at all so i said it worked out my my and my Lots of all. He asked me that I did it go. i said well he He wasn't looking around. I live you know. It seemed like they wanted to to put up too much. You know and i think it went. I think when it like a one on one if it were winning fifty a on change. I couldn't believe it. How couldn't it and then yeah that one by one by seven in the un. yeah yeah. That's the definition of a of a good horse right. They they're going fast but don't feel going fast exciting. Yes i even wrote. A few jumpers felt that way. But only if you when when you look back at your success how much of it is is locked in. How much of it is hard work in town where i'll tell you it takes a lateral work. It takes a lot ability to but of course you can you can You can win races. we lock Some you are the right place at the right time. You know some fine. My is like a in raising all of a sudden. You have no place to go you coming down the stretch. There's no place to go on. You don't think you know. Get through and you you get you get a leader like guys i i i wanna get big because the place to go right throwing something open up a little hole open off on the e- you'll get lucky and you write. You were through and you win the race you know and yeah sure and the just lucky that that space open up because he's up in our you are known a wing right. Sure sure all. I sometime you just get behind and there's nothing you can do and and you are to where until next time and see they They are not say we you and let you ride the horse again and Yeah because this business you know the guy if the train their own thing of course in the race you know use your next signed you know so sure. Yeah they take you all from somebody all and you know. I mean he's only when you're ford and yugoslav mom right. Yes one final question There's a bunch of a bunch of guys riding the derby. What's your what. Would you get one piece of advice for. What would you tell your repair and Trying to get in trouble which sometimes can be hard. It's not easy you. He's so many horses Yes yes fast I would say twenty. Five years ago fears where very small small horse it friday. Maybe thought being well now you see twenty horses you know he stuff basically if you come from behind and Yes yes yes right the rival race. That's you know. I guess because i say A lot of it could be traffic. You know and Yeah your your throat. The right and it'd be prepared that's laffit pincay junior living legend. Nobody did it better Thanks for feet. It's an honor for you to be on the show and all the best all right. Thank you shouldn't give for having me. Then you gotta love laffit. Pincay junior my feet into sean for putting that together. What a what a trip down memory lane. What a spectacular interview. That was a you can catch in the room every single saturday morning ten. Am eastern here on the equine forum. Sean sits down with so many of the top riders in the sport today but as he said at the end of that interview doesn't get much better than laffit pincay junior. What a way to continue this derby day. Show here on the horse racing radio network when i come back. It's time to stroll through racing history. With kurt becker. And then ed derosa coming up in just about. Oh fifteen minutes from right now to handicap all the big races today including the run for the roses. 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Shelvin gets surging through the nine one left on sundays. Point one along sweets. Talk time secretariat. What a moment. that was tom. Durkin with the call of the two thousand one running of the kentucky. Derby hard to believe when arcos did that. What twenty years ago. Wow where did that time go. But arcos was trained by john ward who sadly passed away at the age of seventy five. Last saturday that death reported by churchill downs. john. I knew him a little bit. Not as well as many people did but i certainly spent plenty of time talking with john Early on in my radio career and he was somebody that was just always so accommodating and one of the really nice guys that you could walk up to talk with and meet and talk to them taught them by thoroughbred racing. Talk to him about just about anything. He was just a really nice approachable man. And sad that jon ward trainer of marcos and so many other top horses has passed on but He will be remembered on this kentucky derby day later on this afternoon. No doubt about it. He'll be in the thoughts of many as will marcos in that big win in two thousand and one jon ward monarchos played an integral role in the history of our sport. And that leads me into this week's edition of kurt bekker's stroll through racing history. I'm perk becker. Thanks for joining me as i take. Another stroll through racing history presented by lanes end and theme when he was a twelve hundred dollar yearly known as el kabaya delpoyed. Los the horse of the people. His name was kanye narrow the second and fifty years ago. Today he won the kentucky derby fold on april twenty fourth nineteen sixty eight. Can you narrow. The second was a kentucky bred with a crooked right foreleg because of his poor confirmation he went through the ring of the nineteen sixty nine keeneland september yearling sale for just twelve hundred dollars. He was then resold privately. Pedro battista a venezuelan businessman. Who made his fortune in the piping. Conduit industry baptist and gave the call to his daughter and son-in-law as a wedding gift a popular venezuelan. Musical trio at the time was known as narrow so named because they were said to be as noisy as a canon being shot off the crooked leg. Colt was pretty noisy himself. In fact it was because of the noise. He made in the pasture that he was given the name. Kanye narrow the second committed to the care of leading south american trainer. One arias. can you narrow the second also known simply as kanye narrow was undistinguished as juvenile in nineteen. Seventy he made a couple of unmemorable starts at belvoir and eventually returned to south america. Early in nineteen seventy one. While racing fans in the united states were following the winners of the flamingo the santa anita derby and the bluegrass hardly anyone noticed or is even aware of the progress. Kanye narrow the second was making in venezuela training and racing and caracas. Some three thousand feet above sea level kanye narrow was developing stamina and endurance. He was facing older horses. He was racing at the derby's demanding distance of vile and a quarter and he was winning in the states. The derby picture was becoming more muddled with each passing week. Champion juvenile hoist. The flag had been retired with an injury eight different prep races at a mile and a had been won by eight different horses and the winner of the wood. Memorial wasn't even eligible to the kentucky derby. The lack of superstar in the crop caused one sports writer to remark that anything not bolted. To merry go round would be entered in the kentucky derby. It was against this backdrop. That kanye narrow the second return to the united states and headed the churchill. Downs for the run for the roses as it happened simply getting him to kentucky proved to be the biggest challenge. His plane caught fire. He got stuck four extra days and quarantine in miami and he had to take a twenty hour van ride for miami. To louisville when kanye narrow the second finally arrived at churchill downs observers were unimpressed he stood sixteen point one hands and wait twelve hundred pounds. He was pot bellied. His coat was neither slick nor shining his legs flailed when he ran yet as the field entered the home stretch on saturday. May i one thousand nine hundred seventy one. The pot belly crooked legged colt was about to make history schick anderson with the call narrow seconded driving and on contract then on the ray overly bullingdon neuro duck and tiktok over lead. They come to the wire. they're going to hit turn after rallying from eighteen position with a half mile to go. Can you narrow the second page early. Twenty dollars as the surprise winner of the kentucky derby it was not a huge upset but he was part of a six horse. Mutual betting field at the off track betting parlors in new york. He paid nearly sixty dollars on an individual dollar ticket. Proving the wind was no fluke. Kanye went to baltimore two weeks later and won the preakness stakes in track record. Time as the free two one favorite covering the mile and three sixteenths and one minute fifty four seconds flat under jockey stuff oh altamont a triple. Crown was not to be at infected hooked and a skin. Rash interrupted kanye narrow. The second training schedule and he's run in the belmont stakes resulted in a fourth place finish. He was sold soon thereafter to king ranch for one point two five million dollars and he would return to the races in one thousand nine hundred seventy two to win the stymie handicap at belmont in one minute. Forty six and one fifth seconds over reigning derby winner riva ridge tying the north american record for nine furlongs kanye narrow. The second was retired kentucky for valiant duty beginning with the nineteen seventy-three breeding season before eventually returning to venezuela. He died in nineteen eighty-one perhaps the racing historian said it. Best who once remarked canyon narrows victory in the kentucky. Derby was a surprise but not an upset as one reporter. Put it at the time. He does everything wrong but he went. Kanye narrow the second. The people's voice winner of the kentucky derby fifty years ago today on may first nineteen seventy-one. Please join me again next week as i take another stroll for racing history presented by lanes in and keeneland for hr hris. I'm hurt becker manifest. Doesn't get you ready for the run for the roses. I don't know what will what a great story mike. Thanks to kurt for putting that together gave me goosebumps listening to the way he ended that piece to the people's source can't enero the second really special by the way ed derosa coming up here in just a few minutes. He's going to talk about all the big races including the kentucky. Derby gives me a minute to update you on the current odds. Wagering is open on the kentucky. Derby so here you go. Number one known agenda is currently eleven to one number two is like the king fifty to one brooklyn strong number. Three is forty one to one. Keep me in mind. Forty seven to one sainthood. Thirty seven obey says thirty nine to one mandolin. One of two four trainer. Brad cox twenty nine to one. Medina spirit is twelve. Hot rod charlie six to one midnight bourbon. Thirteen dynamic. one is at thirty nine to one helium at forty hidden stashes thirty five to one essential quality your favourite. I told you. Sixty five. When i came on the air. Eight am eastern. He is now floated up to five to two is essential quality rock. Your world is nine to two king fury again with scratch. If you didn't get that news. He came out yesterday after spiking a fever. Nurses seventeen is highly motivated. Eleven to one number eighteen superstock twenty nine to one number nineteen soup and sandwich. Twenty four and the outside horse number twenty berbon ick huge upset or the wood memorial for todd. Pletcher twenty eight to ed derosa up next. This is the forum presented by far paint dot com on h. r. n. Pinot studs ranks highly among kentucky's fourth crop sires percentage of black type winners from runners with nearly five point five million dollars in earnings. Today alternation was represented by five black type. Horses in two thousand twenty is brilliant. Kentucky oaks winner. Sarah getty empress the grade one val arena at saratoga. Ed was runner up in the breeders. Cup filly amir sprint. First or second in sixth grade one events seren getty imprest over two point one million dollars. Alternation stands at pin oak stunning. Spring me is back at churchill. Downs with live racing now through june twenty. Six new for this year's meet will be the stephen foster preview day on may twenty ninth was seven stakes races as we gear up for the june twenty. Six even foster. And don't forget new this year. Stephen foster has moved to a daytime card with seven total stakes races. That include the breeders cup winning. You're in florida lee for the distaff division and the stephen foster for the classic division strong persons throughout the meat. You're not gonna wanna miss the spring meet at churchill downs get your tickets today at churchill. Downs dot com. It's time now to shine the spotlight on the darlie taking the reins performer of the week. The final excites arenas closing nyquist pets with sixty gutter pick sector outside nyquist coming back west tucking who can forget that renewal of the run for the roses. Champion nyquist remaining undefeated with that wind beneath the twin spires became the first champion two year old to win the derby with an unblemished record since seattle slew in nineteen seventy seven and he joined study street sense as the only two horses ever to win. Both the breeders cup juvenile and the kentucky derby. He is now carried his talents and abilities into the breeding shed and was the leading freshman. Sire of two thousand twenty. Nyquist is indeed. You're darlie taking the reins performer of the week. This is greg and you're listening to the horse racing radio network you're listening to the equine forum on the horse racing radio network presented by foreign paint dot com makes his mom. Several forty four could taking second then came. Welcome back to the client. Boreham presented in the month of may by farm. Paint dot com. Mike pinup berna. The backtrack with you on derby morning. That was larry cole. Must with the call of the two thousand fourteen run for the roses california chrome shining bright for trainer. Art sherman. his son alan. Also part of the training group got california chrome to lable into the winners circle after that kentucky derby art sherman by the way the last trainer to win the kentucky derby with his first starter. That is what brad cox will be attempting to do today. He has to chances favored essential quality. Told you a moment ago. He's up to five to two in the wagering and mandolin a bit of a long shot but a horse that some people think could make some noise through the stretch later today. Ed derosa is with brisk and with twin spires coverage afternoon presented by twin. Spires he's with me now on the horse racing radio network. Ed happy derby day my friend. Happy derby to you one of the best days of the year for sure especially with this weather. I started the show talking about it. Being like You know this day is like christmas with horses. Because you're anticipating almost like santa claus coming right you're anticipating and all of a sudden you wake up his derby morning and his derby day and you get to open your presents by going to the windows and making a few bets. Yep that's the perfect analogy because if you prepare Instead of shopping you handicapped you. Look at the horses. You ask other people what they like. It's like asking them what they want for christmas. And then there's just this big celebration here churchill downs and when you wrap in having fans back in the weather it really is truly magnificent day glorious day i can remember the late john asher would always say. Hey it's it's always seventy five and sunny on derby day. You remember john very well in the last two years. I mean look last. May we had to postpone. The derby to september may was gorgeous. The first saturday in may the day in september was gorgeous. September fifth and now. We have this day the first saturday in may. And it's beautiful today to with temperatures in the low to mid seventies. so we've earned have to think there's a there's somebody watching over us from above. I hope so. Yeah absolutely and Just glad it's worked out and final piece of the puzzle safe trips for all today. Yeah well said well said so. Does brad cox joint art sherman as a trainer who wins the derby with his first starters. He's certainly has the best chance of So i i am against the central quality in part just as the favourite. I thought there was a chance to go against and like highly motivated to turn the tables. But brad's coming in with Quite a pair in mandolin in the central quality and It's definitely one of the good storylines lines because he's a local as well and lou of louisville has ever won the derby so it'd be quite an emotional experience for him. I'm sure yeah grew up. Pretty much just across the street from gate ten at churchill down so he could he could hear the call of the post from his yard is he was out playing and now he has a chance to find out what it feels like to win the kentucky derby essentially in his backyard. It's a dream come true for all of us to be a part of it. But i think that it's a little extra for someone like brad who grew up. Not only you know a lot of guys and gals grow up on the backside and they have that experience and that certainly You know scratches it into your soul. But the derby is definitely a louisville event so to grow up with that means not only the horse people but also your community is pretty unique to brad and a select few other nine thousand. Nine horses are going to go to the post. The news came out yesterday. That king fury would be scratched because these spike the fever. So we're down to nineteen How do you see the race unfolding. Ed i think it's interesting because there's a lot of tears to this race i think rock your world medina spirit. Maybe midnight bourbon. They're going to be out front. Then you have sort of oppressors. Maybe charlie Others like that. And i think that's were highly. Motivated comes in sort of that third tier essential quality would even behind him. I think and then you have the closers like keep me in mind obeys similar phonics so i think we're gonna see a lot more moves disturbing than we're used to hot rod. Charlie's a horse. That's getting a lot of attention. He's getting some play at the windows. To what do you think of his chances today He's one. I'd say a lot of people around that i'm going to try to beat You know you just can't use all the favorites he and rock your world or the two. I think are going to be over bat. That i'm gonna take a stand against all right. So who are ed. Derosa top picks in the kentucky. Derby i think the bluegrass sakes is The preeminent prep here and i picked highly motivated on top. I'm a believer in the mount of order. I know it's a question that they're all answering that question. It tend to one. I think he's the right price. I do like a couple long shot so my key of the wagering is going to be obeys to keep me in mind underneath base. We saw what he can do in the louisiana derby. Keep me mindset of rough three-year-old eerie. Miss you know. He missed his not because of issues related to him but the weather at oaklawn this is his third. Start off the layoff. I just need them rolling for third. Mike i'm not saying he can win. Although that'd be something that fifty to one. But i think he's a has a real chance to end up in the frame and a bit cry interesting to hear you talk about says being a major player in here. Because i've heard it from a few people who actually think that this horse not only can can be in. The mix has an opportunity to win the kentucky derby later today no basis and it looked like he might be the wise guy horse for a bit and i think part of that was you worked earlier than others so he was the one people talk about using other local for the. Foley's you mentioned. But i love the run in louisiana and he just did miss second but that was a legitimate closing movie. Seems very handy with droese He can be in the spot he needs to be in any other stuff forward. He's definitely in the picture as well at a price. Do you see any scenario. Where steve asmussen finally breaks through with that first win in the kentucky derby well mike semester board. I think he learned his lesson with a suicide mission on palace malice. I do think midnight bourbons gonna be forwardly placed so maybe he forgets to stop and then superstock got a perfect trip in the arkansas derby. But it's also the trip. I think can win this derby. Save some ground. If ricardo confined to seam and swing out that closing kit could be good enough. He's not neither in my top tier of contenders nor either steve starters One that would shock me during the mix for me with the ones. I like talking with ed. Derosa from twin spires dot com. Of course brisk net is well. He is part of our brisk dot com colin. Show that you can listen to every single thursday evening. Six o'clock eastern here on the network. At what kind of promotions and incentives will twin spires be offering for people that go to twinspires.com. Nabet the racist. today. I'm sure you've been talking about it but the money back offer opt in your wind bed. If you've finished second or third you get it right back keeps money in circulation and gives you a little bit of award for kind of being right. Obviously we bet to win to win but nice to get that money back with dr north earth. The focus is always on the kentucky derby rightfully so on this day is the most famous race in the world. any of the undercard stakes. Is there anything that you can throw out there. The elected some of the undercard stakes. That people can keep an eye on chad brown. A horse. excellent timing. In the american turf. I think Really interesting stretching out and try and serve for the first time That's one of my Sorta keep plays at ten to one. All right there is at derosa at. I know you're busy. You got a lot going on. I'll let you get to appreciate the visit. My friend and good luck. Enjoy the derby. My pleasure mike. Let's win some money. All right let's do it ed. Derosa here on h. r. r. n. In that prison dot com colin show by the way has become extremely popular. You can call in and participate every thursday night here on the network six to seven eastern edges joined by anthony stabile and They they take your calls than they talk racing anything you want to talk about. Make sure you do it. Put that on your calendar at six eastern every single thursday night so et rosa on the obey sos bandwagon is being a horse. That can have an impact here today. Who knows maybe even get up and win the race and that's not such a stretch when you take a look at this horses late pace numbers. Now keep in mind. He's going to be further back early. He doesn't have a whole lot of early speed but he can finish. He has good late pace number. So and and when you look at his pedigree being son of orbit kentucky derby winner you have to think that oh yeah. he's legit. He has a chance. We'll see i'm not as high obey sosas a lot of people. Are you know a horse that i think is somewhat interesting is sainthood sainthood for todd. Pletcher fifty to one on the morning line. I'll get you the updated here in a minute. But when i interviewed todd pletcher about a week and a half ago we talked about all four of his derby prospects derby contenders which are now going to be in the starting gate later today and when i asked him about sainthood there was just something about his tone that changed and jud feldon. I always used to talk about this when we were doing the show together. We would interview trainers and more often than not. We were right. You know todd was excited about derby prospects. But when i brought up the name sainthood something in his voice in his tone just change. That's what i'm going on and you know when you take a look at sainthood in his late paced numbers. They're not quite what some of the others are in here known agenda for example his pace number winning the florida. Derby is ridiculous. It was a one twelve sainthood. His best late pace number is a ninety three in six furlongs sprint and his debut at gulfstream. So he's gotta make up some ground there but he's an interesting horse and i just i'm going by the fact that todd really perked up and went to a different level when i asked him about sainthood. I i'm not telling you. Sainthood is going to win the kentucky derby later today but i could see a scenario where sainthood is rolling up for third and giving you a bomb in the bottom. Half year try factors. I know steve asmussen. Is i on his two horses. He should be superstock midnight bourbon. I don't know if either one of those two are good enough. How about medina spirit. Is he good enough. He's going to be an stalking position. Can he finish john. Velazquez told me a couple of weeks ago that he's a horse that he thinks he if he gets them in the right spot. He's a target to run at. Maybe he can. Maybe he can finish well enough to to get a piece. Hot rod charleena lottery respect from people hot rod. Charlie's a horse that is moving in the right direction doing everything correctly. It's going to be one heck of a kentucky derby you can go a lot of different ways but the horse to beat is essential quality. He doesn't take a backseat to many of these horses when it comes to his pace numbers late pace number which i love to go by shows you. How horse finishes a race. And he's five for five people will say oh struggled than the bluegrass highly motivated. Gamaleya want yet. He did he did. But i think that might be a good test for a central quality. You can also flip that around and say well. It was the first time he went a mile and an eighth in his career and he struggled to win is a mile and a quarter too far for this horse. he's imposed fourteen. It'll be up to says who by the way another great storyline associated with this year's derby having the derby taken away from him via disqualification maximum-security a few years back two years ago. I guess and now he's back looking for redemption on the favourite. He's a good guy to would be great to see louis. I get that derby win so you can take a couple of different ways either. Essential quality is that good. Perfect five for five the juvenile champion. Or you say okay. Wait a minute. Now he went a mile and an eighth and the competition was getting closer. Maybe that was just a one off me was just that race. He worked for it. He's got to work for today and he's going to need to clean trip. He's gonna need to find a way from that outside. Post to say some ground you jerry. Bailey and randy moss from nbc. Sports earlier in the program. Talking about jerry was talking about the fact that he and randy both see a scenario where essential quality could find himself. Four wide. going. Into that. I turn and maybe even four wide on the second term if he gets a wide trip is he good enough to overcome. That looks like a pretty evenly matched field. So i don't know but he's a favorite. There's no doubt about it. He is the horse to beat on paper now. He has to show up and prove it at seven o'clock eastern time this afternoon our coverage if you missed it kicks off at three o'clock eastern five. Our coverage of the derby undercard races. With bobby newman and jude fell. At five o'clock eastern. We will segue into the network coverage in partnership with nbc sports audio network. That comes up all presented by twin spires. By the way that comes up at five o'clock and we'll take you all the way through the kentucky derby right up until seven thirty eastern time myself. Kurt becker tom. Leetch jeff bloom. And dan mason will be together once again to bring you that coverage live from churchill. Downs here in louisville. It's going to be a great day of racing ed touchdown. The weather perfect weather low seventies plenty of sunshine fast main track the crowd. The fans are back. I it's limited capacity but it is so good to look out our broadcast booth and look down below and see the fancy derby hats and see the seersucker suits return people sipping on mint juleps. We didn't get that last year. We didn't get that with any major sport. Last year it's a step toward a return to normal here. Churchill downs this afternoon and it is going to be one heck of a day of thoroughbred racing. Make sure you tune into our coverage galician serious to nineteen xm two oh one streaming worldwide. You can bluetooth us in your car. Whatever you wanna do horse racing radio dot net and you can listen on terrestrial affiliates all over the country. See a complete list on our website horse racing radio dot net. I'm going to get to one final break. We'll come back and wrap it up. This is equal forum on the horse racing radio network proud to once again. 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Audio Judo: 2020 Albums Of The Year

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Audio Judo: 2020 Albums Of The Year

"Hello everybody and welcome to audio judo. I matthew and i'm kyle everybody doing today doing good. Golly you feeling better than the first take feel better than the first state it's good. It's a lot quieter here now. It's good no waterfalls or anything no We are proud. Members of the pantheon. podcast network. Pantheon is devoted to providing the best in music podcasts. All in one place. Recently they added a number of new podcasts. Like one that. I did quite a bit called the synth history podcast whole i saw that and i haven't started listening to it yet. Really cool stuff on that one Providing a deeper dive into the oft forgotten instrument of the rock scene Head on over to pantheon podcasts dot com to check that one out and a ton more sweet. This is the episode that typically serves as our end of year episode. And it won't be any different this time. So twenty twenty sucked. Yeah was kind of shit year. It is the strangest most unpredictable year in my lifetime. feels like it has lasted five years at times and then at times it feels like it. Just kinda zip by. They were times. When mondays felt like wednesdays. Sundays felt like thursdays. We could go out. And then we couldn't man and then we could then couldn't we got used to wearing things on her face and sanitizing hands literally all the time however it didn't suck so much for us. This humble little podcast. We joined the aforementioned pantheon podcast network which has sent our show worldwide. use indeed We interviewed some amazing guests. Heroes of mine and did a whole crapload of shows. Yes we did so we are excited about twenty twenty one. Yes we are. We're hope weirdly. I wanted to bring the separately quit. Apparently we've been Jumping up the charts in canada. That's true we are now the twenty ninth most popular music podcast and canada as so. Are you doing up there. Welcome welcome neighbors to the north. I hope you're enjoying listening to us. and even if you're hate listening to us that's fine too the other the other one that i did not never expected never in a million years expected india. Yeah hello indian. Listeners apparently I my assumption is that we were added to some kind of Podcast aggregate in india must have happened and people started to listen to us. So if you're listening in the In the subcontinent Welcome yeah i hope you enjoy it And if you want to get in touch with us please do ravi. Shankar has been on my list of musicians to talk about. I know he's basically the most famous musician to come out of india. I have him on a judo chop list. Oh yeah that would be a good one. Yeah that might be the way to go because it's hard to pick just one album. He's got like because it would be. It would be two albums. It would be hard because he has a ton of albums and it would be hard to review one album. Because they're usually they're more like a symphony. Yeah they're they're they're like movements and things so yeah. It's a good idea. We'll probably do a judo chop on robbie feature and and sorry to jump immediately to the most stereotypical musician from your entire subcontinent but World famous and amazing absolutely can't go wrong with that so let welcome. Yeah welcome indeed to everyone. India pakistan bangladesh. All that area been getting huge numbers. So we're excited about it Last year we did the same episode and it was. It was difficult because we came to the conclusion that there just wasn't a lot of good music released in twenty nineteen. Yeah not so true in twenty twenty true so at least there's that we had a ton to choose from and like last year kyle and i chose our top five each haven't talked about it in advance. No we have not fraught some clips of our choices for you to listen to and make your own judgments thanking right into us and tell us we have no idea what we're talking about and tell us what we should be listening to instead so that big said let's get started. Collier i i am. I no particular order correct. I did sort of rank these a little bit now right. So here's the deal There is one album that i picked this year. That when i found it in i found it in late. August early september. And i'll get to this. I'm going to save this for last. I have not stopped listening to this album since. I probably listen to it once a week. It is definitely my favorite album of twenty twenty and know why when we get there. Willie i however the other four i would say probably rank basically the same on my scale of one to twenty seven To good sign. Yes yes the old one to twenty seven to good rating anyways to my first album of twenty twenty this little bit. Poppy but I cannot this is another one that has been in my rotation. Almost all year is a bieber but it is the weekend for hours Very poppy very a good album. Actually really enjoyed How you're so current. I know you have so trendy. Not every time i write. His name is his stage. Name do you want to add that extra. I want to add that ian. I wanna put it in there. I can't in my phone tags. It is like this is spelled wrong word tags at this dispelled recently. Weekend is week weekend. I'm like that. He has been weakened. Oh all yeah but after hours powerhouse of an album for twenty twenty the absolute powerhouse. If you're out there you have absolutely heard blinding lights. I don't think anybody in the world has not heard that at least once surprisingly not my favorite song from his album. I have listened to it a lot. But not my favorite I'm sorry not my favorite song from this album. Not my favorite album this album. It's not my favorite song from this album or just we'll just say it's the lunatic talking. It is definitely some talkie But anyways yeah the first apple from this album in qc have not heard it is not the on. This track is called the after hours. I saw my pages put down. Your call may foul essential for me to. I lie to kano. The truth is eight spider. Things kyun says melamine name on offered this quite the fade yeah producer. Randy just said that. That's got a lot of wet river been at us and that is the one thing that is disappointing to me about twenty twenty just across the board and i should bring it up right now yeah. A lot of the albums came out. Twenty twenty i feel like we're not engineered. Well three of the top five in my well. Maybe four even in the top five that i have tonight. Yeah i don't feel we're engineered very well interesting including this album. It's very it feels very compressed to me. It feels very Do you know what the loudness wars are Feels like it was a throwback to win the loudness words. Were thing though the kissing and stuff out there. If you don't know what the loudness wars are you can look it up. There's a ton articles about it. I think that the one negative to this album is that it suffers from that single track. Medical thing blinding lights was such a huge track that so many people are getting just that track or they're getting the album and listening to it once and then going back to that track over and over and over again that's the trap of pop music specifically but it's you guys just heard that sample from after hours and it's this very haunting sort of the'real song and weirdly enough almost all the albums. I picked this year on year as stupid as that. Sound in a mood or mood for the whole fucking year. Here's the thing about this album though. Tasso weird though what. It's very interesting. Because i would say. Eighty five percent. Of what i picked. is upbeat and faster tempo. D- and more energetic and i usually gravitate more towards more melancholy more morose sounds. I'm going to say weird. Two and a half of the albums that i picked out of the five are sort of theory and that's fifty percent. That's fifty percent. Let's exactly fifty. Percents are very melancholy and sort of cereal and and and emotional. I guess is a good way to plays at twenty twenty-nine condition. I think it might be a twenty twenty condition. Yeah interesting but Just explain how much of a juggernaut. This album is. After the album's first week of availability all fourteen songs chartered on the us. Billboard dot one hundred. What all fourteen songs were on the us billboard hot one hundred at the same time yep with ten of them in the top forty led of course by blinding lights is number one and you're is the highest number sixteen Nothing i half remotely comes. In march twenty twenty after hours broke the record for the most global pre ads in apple music history with over one point zero two million users adding it to their list to be downloaded once it became available so in its first charting week The weekend became the first artist to lead the billboard two hundred the billboard hot one hundred the billboard artist one hundred hot one hundred songwriters hot one hundred producers charts simultaneously. I had no idea it was out of touch with pop music. But this is an absolute monster of an album. See and i've heard parts of it. I just can't it's it's a and again inaccessible to me and maybe again. It's because of this year. That i don't know that i want to listen to something. That's that yeah whoa. It's a very weird album because it goes from being slow to fast slow too slow too fast. So one of my other favorite tracks from this is This this one. It's called the in your eyes. Here's a little sample of it. Oh i try try. Try to always not say. I felt like i was at a headphones party. When i was in jamaica we had the one of the headphone party like on the beach. Where everybody there's three different deejays. Yeah and you can control what. Dj you're listening to your headphones. So you know summer playing more current some playing reggae summer playing like old school hip hop and stuffing you just kinda everyone's dancing by themselves kind of jamming out and listen to whatever and you can see the color on the side of their headphone. And so you know what. Dj you're listening to so you're like someone's really getting down. You're like he's got green. I got to know what he's in. Its fresh printing and everyone's like ooh nice right. That's what that feels like so just some sad. Dj looks and he's like i am orangey looks but he's got loser in the back with orange like yeah. Raise the roof. Good time though. Shut it you lose her. So that's a. Yeah so that's a little bit more upbeat song this out this whole album and producer randy just pointed it out very eighties influenced very heavy. There's a lot of that sort of Eighties like snare drum. It is very very heavily. Influ pads aired around. That is it influenced by stranger things and maybe I obviously don't know but it is If you like that kind of sound you're unlike this album. And i think that pretty much everybody has probably for sure heard parts of it. I've heard parts of it yet The other thing that. I want to talk about real quick about this album It may have been snubbed by the grammys. This huge album got no grammy nomination. Well wait a second see. We've been down this road before grammars bullshit all right well and he's going to be just fine that's a that's unfortunate because one of my albums is like triple granny winning. That's fine but i also there awarded to like there's a bob dylan record. But nineteen years ago. There was a piece of shit but because it was his like comeback album. Everyone's like we'll just keep grammy's on got grammys on there anyway. I felt like it had to be mentioned. Because it's probably gonna come up shortly. You heard me bob dylan album piece of shit. I said it there. We go so that is my first choice for album of twenty twenty regardless of him getting two hundred million dollars for selling his entire catalogue to universal music group. Whatever i've not going to get any money to put it in a vault and then it's going to catch on fire and it's gonna get locked wherever again. Yeah hoops backups of that no no. We didn't make backups. Smart now. So that was your first choice. My first choice and i feel like i went on for a long time but you didn't you know that's fine. That's okay go ahead matthew so for my first choice. I went with the album. Earth by e o. B e. O be is short for ed o'brien And he was is one of the for the legendary rock band and twenty nineteen rock and roll hall of fame. Inductee radiohead This is his first solo record and it is a doozy so it was released back in april and i fell in love with it right away. I've been listening to it. Perty regularly Ed has been writing songs since the okay computer days. So nineteen ninety-six ish But never felt like. They were something that he wanted to bring to the band Confidence was kind of overwhelmed by the monsters of songwriting in the band. Namely thom yorke and colin greenwood or jonny greenwood conwy greenwood is the bass player and that kind of makes sense when you have all this experimental stuff going on. It's a lot of pressure to have like trying to compete with kid. A and okay computer in these monster albums That everyone listened to back then So he had worked on some of these songs off and on for years and in twenty twelve. He moved to brazil with his family and the song started to take on a whole different flavor He was inspired by the spirit. And being in brazil that open heartedness the rhythms the colors and then he had this eureka moment. Wallet carnival and the album started to take shape He thought about taking the songs to radiohead But felt like they this really unique energy for solo stuff and we'll get lost as hybrid product like everyone having a voice in the room. Here's a little bit of olympic but do a grade read the slow sweet ramp right up right there so it houses really awesome world beat flavor than i love it. Yeah so one of the best things about this record. Other than the occasional synthesizer part and a couple of drum tracks and a bass track here and there he played all the instruments on it. Oh cool so everything. The omar played drums on one track. Just legendary drummer and bass player from radiohead played on one And he thought about having thom yorke come and sing on this record for him. But it would have essentially radiohead record. Yeah if he had done that and his voice is really good for for this music. M as these tropical dance flavors will bossa nova some punk in there. It's like there's so many different things going on covers pretty much everything go ahead. I definitely think he made the right decision. I just found this album a couple of weeks ago. Actually really and listen to it a couple of times and it's it's very good. I think that now knowing this. I hadn't researched or anything now. Knowing that i think he made the right decision to not take radiohead And to make it as a something else because it. It definitely would have changed. Had this been radiohead album. Oh would have sounded completely different. Yeah you would have had this weird guitar lines and thom yorke sounded like he's in pain. It's like come on dude so the next Next part i have is from a song called Brazil sounds wouldn't So this song is like brazil is. It's about nine minutes long and has these. Three distinct sections has great arpaio. Guitar section breaks down a little has his dance sections like i mentioned. It took years for this record to really come to fruition but it was worth the wait. I hope we see more of stuff from him while radio heads come on sabbatical or whatever rolling stone also named this one of the top fifty records of the year. So there's that and it peaked at number thirteen on the uk charts. So it's actually actually did okay. Yeah but it's really one of my favorite listens of the year. Not my favorite. I don't know that. I have one this year irsay earlier. Not sure you can pick a twenty twenty favorite. Can't can't because the the five that i talk about. I listened to equally and i listened to them quite a bit so i don't know that i have one that might have to go back to that one so cool. But that's That's my first earth by e obie cargo Next on my list another sort of poppy album neon trees I can feel you forgetting about me. Neon trees yeah we're choice. I know for some reason this album stuck in my gullet. I don't know what it is about it. It it just popped in there and just stuck. I really enjoyed their debut album. They have a surprisingly amount. They have a weird track record because every one of their previous albums has like one mega hit on it again. This one not necessarily the type of music is amount wheelhouse but I enjoyed the whole album. You're not familiar with the countries For sure you've heard some of their songs before Animal from thousand tents habits which was their debut album too great record. It's a great record Everybody talks from twenty. Twelve's a picture show. I know that song that record not as good. Yeah Sleeping with a friend again. A great song album Let's see that one was a pop psychology another great of an album the song. You're probably familiar with from this newest album. I can feel you forgetting about me is used to like which sounds a little bit like this owning. Don't really good. Until i started dancing. And i felt drunk again. See what just happened. Is the exact reason why we need like video cameras in here. Yeah 'cause that was entertaining all by itself. You saw that producer. Randy started dancing in the matthew and i started dancing. Thumb dance a lot of dancing. Going white guy dancing. I'm pretty sure my wife knows that song rate because he listens to the radio. It is a very heavily radio. Played song terrestrial radio. What the hell's that right Has a lot of heavy radio play super upbeat song. I i do not feel good about yourself. Just listen to that. -brate and again my my biggest problem with this album is the engineering. It just the whole album. Just sell alaska. Compressed flatbush it. There's no dynamics to it whatsoever. Other than that. I like a lot of the tracks on this album. I had no idea neon trees or kind of a local band for us are they. They're they're not from vegas reno there from provo. Utah was which i know is always way but local for main regional its regional but they're actually The two main members the two founding members journey on mr trees yes that is correct are from california and then they moved to provo voluntarily. Apparently i don't know who would but they did. Sorry utah we love you. We do moved there Started a band at obviously you know. Utah's just one is one small city with like two hundred people. So i know them personally. You know everybody you know everybody from utah. Their personal friends of mine so They were discovered core sort of By killers ronnie the new junior. Who's the killers drummer Obviously the killers local. Las vegas band. Who made it huge. He had been in a band called atta boy. Skip neon trees basis Brennan campbell prior to joining killers And ronnie was so impressed seeing them in a club here locally in vegas that he'd pick neon trees to open for the killers for string of dates in their two thousand eight north american tour and they sort of blew up from there. Yep and they got a record deal The made the aforementioned records. And like i said i feel like everyone of them has had a hit on it. Abbots is a great record stab. It's is a really good record and we may have to come back to that one and the you talk about it but this one not quite as strong as habits i would say it does have a few good tracks on one of the other ones one of the ones that for some reason again got in my brain and stuck there. Is this one. It's called skeleton boy back our section of mine handle super. Poppy not normally what i would. I would gravitate whereas but this is really thrown me for a loop. I glad. I think it's twenty twenty men all this weird. Poppy shit got stuck in my head. I have a theory though. I was thinking about this on the way over here tonight. I think it's because you twenty twenty. We gravitated towards ends of the spectrum. So i was listening to stuff that was comfort music for me. That was a lot of stuff that i'd heard before that i listened to before mold stuff stunned i love but then i was like god. You know. I'm so sick of listening to the same stuff over and over again. What's something completely out of my wheelhouse. That i could listen to. Hey i heard this on the radio the other day. Let me look up the rest of the album. Boom listen to that album and then it gets stuck in your head and then you start to like it and then you start to listen to it. That's the theory. Let's us fair theory theory who knows How good listener by neon trees echinacea. You're forgetting about me pretty good album. Listen so my second choice is by the airborne. Toxic event is called hollywood park So i had heard of this band. A bunch of times over the last several years But never really got into them for one reason or another. That'll change on this record The band was originally formed in two thousand six as the brainchild of singer and guitarist. Michael gillette he was initially a freelance writer and essayist and just picked up an acoustic guitar and started writing songs. Basically because his life had crossroads as we all can right time. You just pick it out. Pick it up and start writing. So he was going. Through a break-up he had just found out his mom had cancer and he himself had just been diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and vitiligo all at the same time so no better way to than to channel it through song. They had some success at the beginning with a song called sometime around midnight which they promoted shit out of playing it on conan And a crap ton of other places. They made the rounds back. Then i got to number four on the billboard rock chart after that they had a bunch of middling success like most of the rock band out there and it just wasn't going anywhere but this album was much different. It's a deeply personal record about the relationship that he had with his father. His father died in two thousand. Fifteen and gillette took the next four years off to grieve and figures shit out and he started to write songs about it as he recovered. And put this story together and you have to hear his crazy ridiculous true story so michael and his brother were living in an experimental commune in california. That would eventually morph into the church of sinon. One of the most infamous and dangerous cults ever during the nineteen seventies. He was taken from his parents for five years and raised communally and subject child abuse. Mind control all kinds of whacked out. Shit he eventually escaped with his mom and brother to oregon where he would live in poverty with his clinically depressed mother his hateful spite filled brother and a series of abusive stepfathers and he just longed to be with his dad even though his dad was a recovering heroin addict and the next con- this journey takes him from their out of poverty to stamford university and a real life and it starts with hollywood park in hollywood park. Sounds like this three alma own names. Such a great record it. Wow and it tells the story basically when he actually got time to spend with his dad as that would take him to the track so he has all these all these memories kind of wound around spending time at hollywood park which is giant horse tracking in. La it's such a great great story and he's wearing that whole life on his sleeve and it's really painfully obvious. It's visceral it's smart and really good so this record was released as a companion piece to his memoir of the same name released in may of this year. This was named as one of the most anticipated books of twenty twenty by none other than oh magazine. Who miss oprah winfrey. Whoa took great interest in it. Does she give her book club stamp of approval. She did They had this to say about it. Music and his fierce brilliant boost gillette visceral urge to leave his background behind. Propels him to excel. But he's always cognizant of his outlaw jeans embodied by jimmy stokes his creative fires a man can be all these things at once in one lifetime a prisoner a drunk a pirate a fool filled with regret sitting alone in a dark cell a pair of strong shoulders bouncing in the surf in the end. Gillette shakes off the past to become the captain of his own soul. Hollywood park is a triumph. And that's the book they give. How great though record is so. It's just a really raw great record. And i just love those stories and those those totally weaving narratives. I think it's really really special. I have not heard anything of this except little sample. you just played. Yeah and i immediately thought. Punk rock bruce springsteen. That's what it sounded like that voice. Yeah gravelly yeah give it a listen. I gotta go listen to this now. This sounds cool very good. So that's My second one. Hollywood park by the airborne toxic event. Cool my third one. Third album of this year is Tame impala the sh the slow rush. I listened to that a few times. That i just couldn't get into it. I liked tame pal. So if you've never if you're not familiar with tame impala a psychedelic. Music project created by australian multi instrumentalist. Kevin parker in the studio parker writes records performs and produces all of the projects music. And then they go on tour and he takes with him Parker on guitar and vocals dominic semper on guitar and synthesizer j watts. An answer vocals guitar. Cami free on bass guitar and vocals and julien barbagallo on drums and vocals project. They've been going since about two thousand seven A lot of their older work it's very Experimental a lotta times. It's very out there But i think that this album unintentionally became a great album to explain. Twenty twenty So here's a little quick ample. This is a borderline. do out show. This is a very anticipated record before you came out it had a lot of Buzz yes and they replayed a lot of these tracks leading up into it. Yeah i remember seeing it weekly on like i tunes preorders and stuff was released pushing this so much. And it's it's got this overarching theme of love and time And and because of that. It's it's how both sort of ebb and flow around us all the time. And that's why. I think it's a perfect twenty twenty album because it's about you know. We were forced together with certain people in two thousand twenty split apart from other people in twenty twenty time. This year has felt like it's absolutely moving at a different pace like sometimes it's absolutely glacial. And sometimes you'll realize months of gun by in the blink of an eye that accidental. 'cause 'cause this album came out at the beginning of the year that is correct I believe it came out. They were releasing tracks from this through the end of twenty nineteen and it was released february fourteenth. Twenty twenty okay. Valentine's day. how sweet rate so its incidental. Yes i think it was incidental. But i think how do i describe this by. I don't know. I'm one of those weird believers in Certain people perceive what's going on in society and can tell what's happening as a whole okay. Does that make sense. Sure so they can say oh as a whole. We're headed in this direction. And i feel like kevin. Parker might be one of those people who can say. Oh as a society. We're headed mr action. And if i do this it's going to be very relevant when it happens. I believe i have one of those people. Further on our list is wetted. that's very prescient. That's very able to Yeah anticipate trends. Yeah anticipate emotions. How how people are gonna react to certain things yeah i. I don't want to say that. I didn't like this record when i listened to it It just it wasn't. It's not for everybody. It wasn't as intriguing as i had been led to believe it was going to be and i think that they think i had set myself up. For like my. Gosh people will not stop talking about this. This is probably going to be one of the greatest records of my life and it would just. It didn't get there. Yeah so it was like the mental illness of this album is not necessarily for everybody and the sound a lot of people find it very grating and not pleasant. I really enjoy it. I think that the only way you can find out if you listen to it for yourself. I ain't gonna reg- everybody to do that. did they. performed like you were saying earlier. They performed on saturday. Night live as well as part of the hype for this. Yeah they did patients and borderline the song. You just heard one of the other tracks. That i really love is this one. That's in yesterday I did like it. Yeah and again. This is one of those albums. I cannot. It's very difficult to describe. Go listen to it and pick out for yourself. It did however spreads to learn Be twenty twenty aria awards. That is the australian recording industry association. It won five trophies album of the year. Best group best rock album engineer and producer of the year for the australian rush. He's is australia. Well that makes more sense right but Yeah that's the Tamer palo the slow rush. I like. I said this is one of those albums very well. Engineered the way. This one sounds compared to some of the others of two thousand twenty. But please go check it out and Let us know what you think of it but There you go matthew probably because it was a mixed in two thousand nineteen also possibility. Yeah so my third choice is Veld schmertz by fish. Ooh yeah That's fish f. I. s. h. Not fish p. h. i. s. h. fish is the former lead singer of the progressive rock band. Meridian with whom he had a great deal of success in the nineteen eighties released four albums with them reaching the uk. Top ten a couple of times before leaving in nineteen eighty eight to pursue a solo career. Meridian has gone onto release fourteen more studio albums since he left but never achieving the level of success they enjoyed with fish. Fish is released eleven studio albums of his own also not reaching the same level of success but what they have both are die hard fan bases that will pay money to see them traveled to see them. By whatever box sets and merch they put out and follow their every move they quote unquote. We are devoted in april of this year. We hear it audio. Judo were lucky enough to interview fish from his home. In scotland We talked about the cova crisis. Says it was just beginning and how it had already begun to impact the music industry and his life specifically we also talked for awhile about his impending album. What he kept referring to as quote his last studio album and how proud of it he was. This was that record. Vouch merits is in many ways. A typical fish release with a few longer tunes and his always beautiful and poignant lyrics and unique take on the world and relationships much like on his first solo record vigil in a wilderness of mirrors. The title track is a stab at the state of the world. It's fracturing fracturing and the hopelessness attached to it here's a little bit of that title track. John this call good is that song is there are better on this ringer. And so while we spoke to him he talked about a song. He was extremely proud of called the rose of damascus He referred to as it one of his mom's favourite and is a gorgeous song for sure. It's clocking in at seventeen minutes. It is sweeping musical piece. That tells a story of a young girl in war torn syria still finding ways to chase your dreams. It's beautiful song but the real showpiece The song that everybody is talking about in the progressive rock world. The song that sets this record. Apart from all of his other materials a song called garden of remembrance It is as heartfelt emotive and tough lyric as you will ever hear at is a song about his father who a few years ago had lost his battle with alzheimer's and his mother who had to watch the love of her life slowly. Pass away it is so powerful and this song has already one song of the year from the prog report awards and the year is the year isn't even over yet right. And here's a part of that song right here with thoughts. Land lack snowflakes in the palm of his swift melting. He's teases soup crimes he tries to room to swat made him with the beautiful stranger who is holding his. He's lost between the somewhere again. She's ghost of man. She went forerunners. The it's an extremely powerful song in the video adds a ton of weight to it so he filmed the video basically just him in a in a white room completely just in on a solitary chair and apparently his mother was ten feet away listening to this and he just breaks down in the middle of his video just bawling his eyes out and it just. It's it's extremely powerful and knowing what a gifted lyricist two years at and being able to translate that emotion into song is just It's a gift that a lot of people don't have when we spoke to fish We asked why he keeps calling this his last studio album and he said he feels like he's done all he can with music. He wants to do other things right. Books act garden right Well i guess hook lamb now. I guess if you're planning to go out with a bang and save the best for last then. This is the way to do it. Classic rock magazine named this. The second best album of the year only topped by the most recent acdc release. Wow he's never been up at that level before and i think it's a testament to how strong this material is. I've been a fan of fish for over thirty five years now and it was such an honor to talk to him earlier. This year for me it is for sure one of the highlights of doing this show. I'd pinch myself to see if it was real because it was never something. I anticipated and like i expected. He was loquacious and pleasant and just willing to sit and talk about anything at length and it was an honor. If you'd like to check out that episode good audio judo dot com check out episode number twenty two and fish. If this is really good by congratulations you deserve all the great things. They're saying about this record to masterpiece. Elche mayors that's all. I have to say if you kinda jerk. I haven't listened to this yet. It's such a. I got to listen to it now to double album so long. But it's a it's there's so many great songs on a waverly steps there's just so many fantastic tunes and he's a genius with the pen and his voice so recognizable to anyone that listens to any sort of progressive music. Like that you know right away and This very special and Again we were honored to talk to not to totally derail this yet but I was listening on the way home the other night to an interview with boy george and the rest of culture club and they were talking about two ageism and music and how it's bullshit how there's this whole thing in music where you you know. The music industry goes after young people because they can manipulate them. Get more money out of them their knife. Yeah exactly where so. Many musicians produce better and better because they have more and more experience and they know more and more what they're doing and what's going to work and what's going to sound good and what's going to to lyrically work well and i think that it's like you just said he's culminating his entire career into this album and then he's like and this is my swan song. This is where. I wanna finish it. And that's amazing to me that it can be done and that he's especially with fish he's been able to independently to yes he. He produced this whole album himself right. Yeah with. I mean obviously some outside help for things He produced it himself. He was when we were talking to him he was. He had all the album's delivered to his house so he could sign a whole bunch of them before he mailed them out. Oh it was crazy. And he had like a living room full merch. Yeah if you think so So a secondary thing to that like after we talked to him he started doing these kind of one offs On facebook live just talking to his fans and now nine months later that's turned into a whole thing called fish on fridays. Nice little catholic reference there fish on fridays and he does it friday. At six o'clock he talks for about an hour and he lets people like pick three songs or five songs that they want him to talk about and explain what was behind them and then he just sits at his computer and talks to people and he's got t shirts made and he's raised like Shit ton of money for some charities that he's involved in and stuff and it's turned into this huge thing where he's the t shirts say fish under a lemon tree in. There's all kinds of his all kinds of different stuff. But he's finding ways to to supplement the fact that he's not going on the road for the foreseeable future until until all this kind of shakes out but it. There's still hope that there. They'll be a tour and all that but you know he's making the most of it and it's great that absolutely has been one of the silver linings of twenty twenty out of a out of the pile of shit year. This has been hopeful the gold nugget. That is so many artists. Because they're not on. Tour are so much more willing to do real interviews. And they're talking to you know they're being more honest they're being totally open 'cause they're like we don't have to promote anything right now. Let's be honest thoughts us. Yeah i mean shit. If they're willing to talk to us. Yeah but am i right. Yeah speaking if you're wants talk to us. Hey we're available who are available But i think that's one of the silver linings of two thousand twenty is so many artists have been able to open up and speak openly and freely and do interviews with people that they wouldn't normally do interviews with and have the time to sit down and talk and explain their catalogs and explain the music and explain the lyrics and explain everything and hopefully either that continues into the future or at the very least we can take the stuff that happened this year and treasure it in the future absolutely say look all these famous artists from the from the last fifty years have been able to sit down and do interviews and talk just in this year alone because they're at home alone and they don't wanna go out so they can remote in and do an interview that i think that that's going to be one of the silver linings the twenty th. There's gotta be there's gotta be something out there. Yeah so encourage everyone to go. Listen to it and you know. Listen to the rest of his catalogue to. I'm sure he would appreciate it. Yeah belch merits by fish fund to say to what you got there maximums a little bit of a cheap. It's two albums in one but they were sort of released a pair home. This is corey wong The saw the albums are at trail songs dawn and trail songs desk. You probably never heard of corey wong heavy. Most people haven't corey one yes He's a guitar player. I i heard of him from this sort of funk rock How exactly describe. This band is called volt peck From los angeles we will get to them at some future date. Whether it's a judo chop or a full episode. okay. I don't know yet but They're very fun and very upbeat. And i just discovered them maybe a year ago and their music is very fun. I do like fun music. Yeah but corey. Juan plays guitar on a few of their albums. And this year he has been incredibly productive. He has released a whole bunch of different albums saying he played guitar with full peck. Since two thousand sixteen he has this huge catalog solo music as well volt. He's released two eight studio albums. Total five just in this year five studios this year five studio albums now. They are not super long trail songs. Dontrelle songs total. I think is an hour in like eight minutes or something like that so. They're not super long albums barely longer than an ep. Yes lot of guitar work. Obviously because he's a guitar player he's also played with bands like pena The fearless flyers Lasalle dance machine on if you've ever heard of any of them that's negative. Here's this absolutely fantastic guitar player skill. Though he's a very very good trail songs dong see me trails through kinda. Do that was going to happen as soon as you said it was trail zones. Don don don. I can't say enough songs. Dawn on trail songs dusk not trail don trails songs dong dong trail songs. Dawn came out in august twenty twenty. It was actually the second of the two released. It's exactly what it says that it's morning music. They're seven tracks on this album. And all the music makes you wake up see the oncoming day in this positive light rather than a negative late My favorite action. Here bluebird Featuring chris feel on the mandolin is very good. And it's mirrored on the next album by cover of black branch were it to Trail head which is a really good nice upbeat song. And this song which is called race. The river very Very weird. Like i would never think that i would pick a folks folk album or two four thousand bluegrass style. Bluegrass stylings. it's it's it's very like i said it's upbeat and his. It's one of those. Both of these albums have been there. When i'm like this year especially when i'm my goddamn fucking depressed. I don't wanna do anything as like. That's put one of these on a dawn. Like i said is more of an like an upswing. The warned up and going home wong gets me up going. Yeah trail songs. Dusk actually came out. I gets me. The my wong gets up early in the morning. A trail songs. Dusk actually came out. I in july. Twenty twenty okay. It's almost a book end to dawn though. Even though these i so you say the dusk comes before the dawn. Yes our weirdly enough. That's strange this. This is all slowdown music though. This is like winding down your day music while you do like a nice drink by fire so i feel like all the tracks on this album. Art First time i saw the milky way is a really attract. It's very slow and very peaceful trail in another really really slow peaceful song. All of these remind me of When we did our video game music episode. Yeah why can think of the name of that album outer wild. So it's gonna say yeah. They remind me a lot of the flavor from that absolutely This album has a cover of the beatles blackbird on its That is maybe one of my favorite beatles covers of all time and it sounds like this a and a blackbird. Sing in the better of take these broken wings long saying to. I believe it is yes. Talk your life. It doesn't have anybody else listening waiting for this moon to no matter. How long has this trash look for this too. I like this. I like it a lot to. It's a very like i said. Both of these albums are very upbeat. They were there in like kind of the darkest corners at twenty twenty. This was like where. I was just like faulk. I'm never gonna. I'm we're not getting out of this wrong today. Let's listen to beat boom. This would pull me back out of it. I like it. it's a it's a different sound. for Yeah that's a. That's a nice version of blackboard. I guess i liked it a lot. And the first time i heard it. I was not expecting it to be a cover of blackburn. Just was called blackbird. Okay and then. I heard it. I was oh very good. I should listen to that again. And i listened to it probably five times in a row because i was just like. Oh yeah okay this is. This is different but it's it's very good. It's very positive. Like i said for me both of these albums positively the to i have not expressed that in the bastard with your two for one deal two for one deal again. The reason why. I threw him both together. Our eight minutes. I think is what they calculate out to be together. Here is matthew number four so my next choice probably equally as you don't know what it is As that one was for me Max choice is an album called versions of the truth by the pineapple thief. I've heard of the pineapple fief before really ever It's another english progressive. Rock band This band is it's a new discovery for me. The just kind of thumbing through the new releases when i stumbled across it. But it's right in my wheelhouse. Very inventive band with a as ing musicians They have released thirteen studio albums since they formed in nineteen ninety nine so as an impressive yet is in this day and age one of their albums Somewhere someone here is missing. Released in twenty ten has artwork from legendary hypnosis. Artists storm thoresen. We talked to his partner way way back. Aubrey powell. The the band has carved a lovely little niche out of the progressive market for themselves Their sound usually referred to as bittersweet progressive sound Because unlike a lot of progressive bands they actually talked quite a bit about relationships in their lyrics and this album is no different The first clip. I'm gonna play from the first single called demons and it's the most straight ahead song on the record and it plays like a normal rock song now a lot of progressive in it which is probably why it was released as single. It's definitely an accessible song. Check this out short term but doug is now craw deep pond. Musk yard was supposed a short. You should know it's nice tight unit. Yeah some really great. Songwriting add some really big thumping drums and change the understated vocals to a lot of hyped up yelling and you have the makings of a big imagine. Dragons hit which is probably. Why wouldn't listen to it. I don't really care for measuring dragons. That's fair so one of my favorite things that this band does. And maybe what originally drew me into their sound was that they double-track almost every vocal part not harmonies just a high voice and a low voice singing the same thing so it's not a harmony there just stacked on top of one another it's unique. I think it's pretty cool The second clip is from a song called break it all and his little more flavor of the band when that than the first one sided more like a mainstream song you get the double track vocals and more. These progressive stylings some innovative drum working guitar that i love so much. Listen to this break at all to cute. Get to break burden love. That weirdly downloaded this album. Like i added to my. I tune really how library. I don't think i've listened to it yet. You should listen to. I apparently forgot about it. Because they i the minute you said that i was like wait. Didn't i just download one of their albums a few months ago and then i went and looked sure enough. It's this one so you should listen to very good. Definitely go back and listen to it. So the drummer in the band gavin harrison extremely accomplished plays with Progressive giants like porcupine tree and king crimson king crimson currently touring with three. Well not now. But they were before covid with three drummers at three doors on stage so he's one of them a very necessary evil but those other all completely athletic. It's it's a it's a it's not court of the crimson king anymore. It's very strange. But that's how rip wants it so whatever. He has won a crap ton of awards and constantly touring recording. And when you listen to this record you can tell they fashioned. A lot of their songs around his drumming awesome because that's fairly rare that they're going to write songs with an athletic drummer so a reversal drummer in mind. Yeah and allow that kind of That progressive style to breathe a little bit with you. Just don't hear a lot of that anymore year. A lot of drum machine fucking drum machine. You and i wanna hear. I wanna hear a drummer. I want to hear over plane. So check that record out versions of the truth by the pineapple thief. So that's four or all right so this this next one. I saved the best for last. Oh goody. I know you're not supposed to really rank these but you did this one. This album popped onto my popped into my consciousness and it made me discover a new artist. Who i now believe might be one of the most important important artists working in america. I my. I'm very excited. I had never heard of him before. Twenty twenty he is a completely new to me and his stage name is awesome. It is a fantastic. Nato and the album is called. Have you lost your mind yet. And when i tell you the story of his life. I hope that it blows your mind like did meet this album in all his albums for that matter. Is this amazing. Blend of blues roots jess soul funk rb rap and it is all wrapped together in this weird package that you when you hear that you're like this is not gonna fucking work and then you hear it and it it fucking works. It blows my mind. Like i have listened to this album. I found this in maybe late. August early september. I have probably listen to this album at least once a week since then. Maybe more some weeks. When i've been doing a lot of work in things go find it. Go download it. It's called have you lost your mind yet by fantastic nato and this is. I wrote a whole page on this. I know we're supposed to keep this short. I ended up writing a whole page of notes on. This is gonna take a little while. This album came out. August fourteenth of twenty twenty and like i said once i found this album i went back and listen to a lot of his old stuff and it blows my mind to. Here's a quick sample. This is the opening track It's called samurai tech. It can get your data and so that's dirty rates and it is wonderful. The whole album is is similar to that but also completely different obviously fantastic negritos stage name and according to his bio on his website. He's lived three completely separate lives. I he was born Xabier amid discrepancies. Job on that. I just i just found his name great. Dvd's liz it is incredibly weird d. p. h. r. e. p. a. u. l. e. z. defin- prep says that name i would never have known how to pronounce it. Thank you to an article. That i will come back around to in a few minutes Born in western massachusetts of all weird places. He was the eight eighth of fifteen children. Here's exactly dead center in fifteen children. I've had classes with fewer children than this guy has brothers and sisters. His father was a deeply religious somali muslim who played mostly traditional african music. Which by the way side. No i hate that fucking term african music and the reason why i hate that term is because that's like saying north american music or asian music or south american music where the fuck is the music from is it somali. Music is south african music. Is it Central african republican music is a music. It's yeah it's music. It's music where. But i want to know the specifics. I hate that term. It's generalized and. I think that it's a little bit racist anyways. Moving on when he was twelve his family relocated from from massachusetts to oakland california. That's a hell of a move. That is a hell of a move. I literally in one toco whence from this this absolutely you know massachusetts is not exactly the most diverse place to oakland california. Which is the center of a black culture on the west coast basically according to his bio it says he went from arab chance to funk delic in one day that's a hell of living in the heart of one of the wildest most infamous wolves biden black communities in the nation. Asian shit was extra real in oakland. That was the whitest. I've ever shot was extra. Riche was extra real loyal in oakland. So you're welcome for that So by age twenty inspired largely by prince's self taught musical abilities Savvier taught himself to play several instruments and was according music on his own. He also snuck into music classrooms at the university of berkeley. Yeah got it all from his bio so you know where it's conference despite not being a student there not being a student. He was thinking into classrooms to learn how to play in music s. Good job mister peres. But he was also caught up in the violence of oakland in the nineteen eighties and he began selling drugs as a teenager. Telling an interview with the guardian a quote we were also in drugs man. We all carry pistols. There was a crack epidemic. I was the kind of kid who would sell fake. We'd sometimes i would use team which i'm sure you know. Never got him in a lot of trouble however This went on for several years is a bag of oregano. No man that's earl grey. It's real high on weed man. It's earl grey. We'd went on for several years though until almost near death encounter with a mass gunman and then after that he packed up his bags headed to la with a democrat in his hand which began his second life. He adopted the The monim xavier which was obviously his name found self entrenched in this hollywood lifestyle and he says quota clubs and bitches and bullshit politics that have nothing to do with great music. An agreed signed a big time manager and soon after that. Nineteen eighty-three a million dollar deal at interscope. And soon after that he suffered creative death. The record deal was a disaster. Gangsta rap head was ruling. The airwaves at the time and he was in the wrong place wrong time he came out of the deal with. They failed album and his confidence was completely gutted. He was infected by the constant emphasis. On what would sell rather than what music. He actually enjoyed playing to for him. He lost his complete sense of self At he lost his ability to make music so he quit. He stole all of shit and moved on until his third life being Which actually began with the near death experience. He was in a horrible car crash in nineteen ninety nine. He was in a coma for four weeks When he came out of it he had His muscles completely atrophied he had damaged his hand so badly he couldn't play music anymore It took him years and years and years to get back through it so through after seven or eight years of a rehab. He moved back to oakland but he was basically. He thought he was done making music. Some two thousand seven. He retired move back to oakland in two thousand eight and thankfully for the world though he returned to music in two thousand fourteen With a completely new music style which he describes as black roots music for everyone. Twenty fourteen He released self titled album fantastic agree to it is great two thousand fifteen he won. Npr's tiny contest. If you're not familiar with illegal it's a big deal. And they highlight some of the most amazing amazing musicians as they do in in the history of music twenty sixteen. He released a an album. The last days of oakland twenty-seven he won the grammy award for best contemporary blues album for the last days of oakland which i feel like he missed a beat a lot. I'd like to know who he beat. Yeah that the was that a year. That joe bottom amaafuza didn't at least record. I don't know but it gets even better because two thousand eighteen. He released an album called. Please don't be dead. Twenty nineteen won the grammy for best contemporary blues album for please won't be dead Twenty twenty released a. Have you lost your mind yet. Late twenty twenty. Have you lost your mind yet. Nominated for the two thousand twenty one. Grammy for best contemporary blues album. Not saying he's going to win but I feel is a good shot at winning. Pretty good track record years in a row or i guess not technically in a row. Twenty seven and twenty eight thousand twenty twenty records in a row three records in a row. That's a good way to put it if you had any doubts that he was a fairly talented musician. Two maybe three grammys in just a few years. That's a pretty good track record man. He said he's not joking around. No you look back through the years winners for that award eric clapton. Buddy guy kept mo- clark junior etta james and all of a sudden. There's this guy. Fantastic negri that. I have no idea who he is. Yeah well now. I gotta go look at all this stuff and so does everybody else out there. Please go listen to them. They are they are just amazing and he is. Somebody like i said when you find a musician like this and you're like how did this go under my radar for as long right. How did i miss out on. How did i miss out on this amazing music. Have you lost your mind yet. Though that i did just now just now but this album again. It tackles all kinds of topics in this really upi. Wait it talks about racism. Xenophobia inequality bigotry addiction mental health and how people have been dealing with covid nineteen pandemic lockdowns. But it's this very bright upbeat album. It keeps it very positive My favorite tracks on it. There's a track called platypus. It's the very last check on here. That's very fun. I feel like he named. that's awesome. Yeah we used to name our songs like that when we were playing back in high school. Just you know grasp they young tomato babu blues ridiculous names. I'm so happy i could cry. Because who's gonna stop me which features a tank and the bengals and also no way tank. And the bengals. Add terry own tank ball which i'd never heard of them but they're very good on this so again. More artists look up and listen to tank in the bank but this track. This is my favorite track from the whole album. These my friends a that's my that's be that's my that's my. That's my dog. Gay man and You know. I guess that you will find something on this album that you like it is it is so i like it already. Yeah it is so good and gets stuck in your head and you go back and keep listening to it over and over and over again. Like i did a damn you kyle real quick Go check out if you want more info about him The website is a fantastic. Nagorno dot com. Obviously and i told a lot of information about his history from there as well as There's a great article in the guardian called fantastic negro the drug dealing hustler who became bernie sanders favorite blues. Man by pete's properties. That is a a very good article about his whole history and what he's doing this article a couple years old but it's a i think twenty eighteen is when it came out but It covers his whole life to there. And it's got a lot of little fun details about his life again. I'm not joking. When i say he might be one of the most important musicians working in america. I now and i don't know how he flew under my radar so long i don't know how he flew under probably most of your radar so long but he deserves allama recognition that he's getting so pleasing great him one left matthew one left at. It's all you for before. We get to honorable mention on arrivals inch so my final choice for the year is existential reckoning by pa- for so this band is the pet project or the quote creative sub-conscious of maynard james keenan the lead singer lear system for the art metal band tool they have been around in one shape or another since two thousand and eight with a revolving set of artists including tom com referred from rage against machine. Nine inch nails And me Yielded which also performed with them. I believe it's pronuncia pronuncia. Alani live edge so this is their fourth full length album. And what you would expect from pusa for but don't go here expecting a tool record It is not remotely tool except for the voice of maynard and even that is tempered a little bit by the female voice of korean around. Who's wispy kind of the'real vocals make it even more different it is more experimental techno than anything else. And unless you listen to it is really hard to explain. Maynard described it. This way it's simply a playground for the various voices in my head. A space with no clear or searchable goals where my id ego and anima all come together to exchange cookie recipes so this album made during the cova. Crisis certainly exemplifies that in the title and the lyrics are acerbic. Very telling and so many of the lyrics whether intentionally or unintentionally touches on the pandemic and just the state of the world or society. This is a clip from the underwhelming. Far from me rig show than is voice is almost unrecognizable in this context. Yeah but still there so the the sounds are just about as far away from tool as you can get when asked if this song was directly about the pandemic keenan had this to say it seemed to be coincidental that it touched on the actual pandemic but in general. That's kind of how we've treated things for a while or always late for the party polarized in some way the new world order of the internet has polarized us to the point. Where we don't look at what's in front of us. We don't really look up. We kind of looked to what the people you know. We don't like don't like and what the people that we like like. And that's it where we stop. We don't look any deeper into into issues. Right and that society in a nutshell right were glued to our phones are tech looking to see what the other person is doing is the ultimate version of keeping up with the joneses. You know who are just like well if you like it. And because i like you then i must like it and if you don't like it because i don't like you and i don't like your opinions than i don't like it and there's no room for. There's no room for compromise. There's no room for discussion. It's just like we all silo up and don't discuss things anymore. I feel like that's a very succinct in profound way to put that. But i'm interested to know what you actually think about it. And that's what. I'll base my judgments about it on. If he i'll tell you wait. I learned nothing. No will you like it if i say it. Maybe do you like me. I do then you will like it okay. If you don't like me then you won't like it a boy that's really nyc and click on to show my life for this. Yes yes i do. Middle of miami warhead serotonin. When did so that's good just to give you another taste of the record winning grooves. Here's a little bit of postulate here integrated here on seminary honest. We're on a mission different. Yeah it's not something. I would have gravitated to unless his name was attached to it to vary like techno feel. Yeah it informed me that. I really enjoy some of this stuff and how good it really is. So kudos to him and For because i wouldn't have listened to it otherwise and they're making me listen to other things so this album no doubtedly on the backs of keenan's name debuted at number sixty five in the billboard album chart and number seven on the alternative chart so it did significantly well and it's got great reviews and it's not something that i know a lot of people like especially if they're going into it expecting to hear another tool record because it completely is not stress enough it is not a tool record and you you have to kind of grow into it. But it's a. It's an excellent album and existential reckoning super. So that's That's my five so there it is. That's a that's ten albums. Hey we feel are some of the better ones from twenty twenty the silver lining right. You have a couple of Honorable mention i do i kinda split into two categories so some of these are albums that i think are very good from twenty twenty But just not quite the top One of them is Mountjoy rearranges it's very good. It's very upbeat another one of those albums. That's a positive. Listen to police kind of out of the twenty twenty funk Guerrillas song machine season one. A great record so cool they. They did collaborations of the ton of artists. There's a track with back on there. That's really good and There's an elton john track on there. That's very good In the music videos for them are very cool. It's a good record. Yeah very very cool idea. Go check. I think all the music video on youtube there might be a music video for everyone. I honestly don't know. Grills have always been super innovative. Yes but it's a it's a very cool project and there's a lot of positive Oh god there's a lot of sounding music there gotcha kylie minogue. Had an album came out this year. I have to mention it. Because i'm game. I'm sorry it's a legal requirement that you are required. I'm required by law to mention this album She started like a few weeks before they went into lockdown and then she had to finish it from home and even knowing that it is a great album it has the albums called disco and it sounds like it could have come out in like one thousand nine hundred seventy eight. Wait a second your gay. Yeah you didn't know. When did that happen. How deeply do you want me but kylie minogue. Yeah she is. Definitely somebody who i feel like outside of certain dance club and cultural references in the us. It has totally kind of brushed aside as a pop musician because every few years she'll come out with an album everyone like for like a week kylie minogue and then she's gone again. I didn't know she was still making records. She's moving her records for like thirty years. I know she made signed better to hear about every three or four years. A new kylie minogue album comes out in the us. It's like it was number eighty nine on the billboard charts for two weeks and then in like england in europe. It's like it was number one for six years. I remember her. She added like a big hit the mid nineties other than that. I don't remember. I've been around for a long time and still producing some Some pits but this album is very if you like dance. Music good album. All the other one is Biffi claro celebration of endings. They are a scottish band. I still. i'm kind of on the fence with this album. I like it a lot. But i don't know again. It didn't make my top five for a reason it. Just it's a fun album can say it's fun. It's an album to listen to. And i like it but i don't know if i like it like it okay. There's a few other albums on here. That i think weren't mentioned more because they are continuations of some amazing careers which they're good albums. They're worth a quick listen because they're go. Some nation of two thousand twenty pearl jam. Gigaton came out this year. It's good it's good. It's good. I liked listening to it Not as good as some of the older stuff but astle pretty good childish gambino had naum came out three fifteen twenty weird weird album also very poignant because it came out on the day that In vegas worked in their jobs. So that's fun. Kansas released an album. This year called the absence of presence. I couldn't get into it. And i'm a huge a huge kansas fan. We're gonna do. Yeah we're gonna do left overture pretty soon. And there's there's a couple of tracks on here that are good but again i don't know yeah i don't like it was important to mention is it's it sets fair. Continuation of career will be. Do overture smashing pumpkins a cr. Have i knew enough. I have not really deeply listen. i listen to it. Don't like it don't let you don't like it for matthew. You've got a couple of the two right i do. I have a couple of honorable mentions Because there were really a great deal of good records for this year one. Is the album thin mind by the indie band wolf parade. Here's a short thirty seconds of that puts out to did the all i got from. That psychedelic i. Oh yeah there's a lot of that of there. I hear ciphers all the way through that and i'm like i loved. I really do and the only problem with it is it gets a little bit one note by the end of it. They just haven't matured enough. I think is a band so really strong tracks for the first three or four and then after that you're like oh this sounds like the last three or four but i but it's a really good record from a up and coming canadian ban and then number two is the kingdom by bush. Yes that bush. The of everything's in and glycerine is back and actually making really good music again. Thirty six to that right here Lehman on a really good record. And there's something about his voice you know there's a tremendous amount of gravity in his voice for whatever reason. Yeah and it's a it's a good record but again just just like the wolf parade's record it kinda like winds itself down in the middle and you're like man doesn't quite get there but the first five tracks are like extremely strong So those are our top five each with a couple of mentions. Yeah actually had a lot of fun with this list this year. It was a lot of work though because the list kept changing as the year went on like lots of additions subtractions. My big problem was. I always do the same thing where i not always. This is only the second time we've done it. But i did the same thing i did last year where i had some that i was like. Okay these are. These are probably my albums of the year. And then i start researching. I might wait. What else came out this year. All that was real old. That's really. Ooh i gotta. I should listen to this. And then it's like the whole list changes at the last minute and it's like oh god now i gotta listen all these albums as quickly as possible right and then to make an opinion about him because i like them so much and then it's like right about them and talk about them and then sling new right thing. I don't know even giving rate. I felt about this but I am for one. I'm interested to see what people have to say about their favorite albums. A twenty twenty. What did we miss or we miss. Plenty i'm sure we missed a ton but Easiest way to get all of his email info at audio judo dot com yep We are not comes to both matthew and i So we both get to see whatever you right. So if you're right corbeil stuff about one of us. The other will see it. That's true but we're super excited to get this next year started. yes with episodes about elton. John one pilots meeting beck steely dan. And so many more on the way as well as that we will be debut in our limited series podcast called. Oh yeah audio. Judo does jazz in a few months. So we're excited about that as well or starting to prep that so Get a hold of us like you said info. Photo judo dot com. If you want to hear more from us. Check out our patriotic patriot. Dot com forward. Slash audio judo. What are the social sarah. Come out the other day. What's that we've been lying to people for a long time so our facebook facebook dot com forward slash audio. Judo our twitter is at audio judo. Our instagram at audio underscore. Judo lied to them. I have been lined people for months. Now you son of a bitch that my experience with instagram. The other day aged me forty years. So i saw that. I now have gray hair. Look like christopher lloyd on from future. Just i'm like my eyes wide and i'm just constantly walking around like you can't make coffee without a creamer. I feel like a crazy person because that if instagram made me feel like an old man so thank you for that. Instagram but Do you feel free to if you enjoy instagram. Look us up on. Their math is going to be in charge of that from now on because he's already aged much it already. Yeah it's not a problem for him and baldin great other than that. Let's get twenty twenty one going and put this past year behind us. yes so We will talk to you in two weeks. Everybody yeah avid new year. Yeah bye bye.

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The Airborne Toxic Event's Mikel Jollett Recounts His Astonishing Life Story

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The Airborne Toxic Event's Mikel Jollett Recounts His Astonishing Life Story

"This message comes from NPR. Sponsor patriotic allowing creators to build real sustainable income through the direct support of their fans. If you're a creator sign up unpatriotic P., A. T. R. E. N. DOT COM and start building the steady income stream you deserve back in the day as Netflix's began to gain popularity, its rival blockbuster was looking for an edge or one point. The investors were asking blockbuster to sell jeans the store in these older investors being like you know what the kids want. They want gene you get a Tom Cruise movie and some stone wash jeans the downfall of blockbuster and the rise of networks listen to it's been a minute from NPR. From NPR music, it's all songs considered I'm Bob Boylan. So today you're in for a real treat Mikhail, Joe lay of the airborne toxic event is joining me to talk about his extraordinary memoir called Hollywood park, and then there's a subsequent album he did based on this story. It's a journey that begins with McKell has a very young child growing up in sin on. It's a drug, Rehab Facility turn occult he's separated from his parents and it's a journey that in the end is about what it means to be a family. My conversation with Michaela. took place live on the NPR Music Youtube. Channel back in mid July. So joining me from the eastwest studios in Hollywood California is Miquel juillet. Area good. So good to see you. For You Know I've had this a little while. That's big bird's feather by the way. Very Horn section VIBE, there's there's a saxophone by happened in somewhere now need to play. Cal I WANNA start with giving folks who haven't read the book yet a flavor of. What's in store in this book if you'd actually read. A small section of the book from the top. From the opening chapter of Hollywood Park we've been living in sin and on, which is a drug rehabilitation. Facility that my dad went to when he got out of prison on to get clean off heroin and he met my mother there who was a free-speech activists from Berkeley may met they got married and then you know was very utopian vision of society that spiraled out of control I into madness and one of those one of the pieces of the madness in addition to the violence that happened in the. Sort of say psychological violence that happened where the children one of the more difficult things to write about how all the children were put into an orphanage. So I was I was raised there until nearly four and my brother until he was nearly seven. And we didn't know our parents because in the Colt, you weren't allowed to have parents So the book is written from my perspective as a small child and then of course, as I get older my perspective as grade school student and that eventually as a rebellious preteen and then adult trying to make sense of everything And I yeah. So this is the day my mom shows up We don't really know what it means to have a mom or dad, hug we did know because of the call was becoming violent she came to the rescue us to bust us out. So this is from the end of that chapter. and. My brother's name is Tom and he's there as well. I look at Tony's face for clues but he's got his chin pressed against the door frame holding the paper bag with his stuff in it. My head feels woozy is my eyes fall on the buttons of Debbie's blue overalls. She's Nice but she's new I miss clubby because he used to be with us at night and would hold me when I had a bad dream and Kami. Thon. To Tom we were safe here all of us here in centered on living together a great big family tribe of humans who love each other and love the world and loved little babies most of all. Debbie whispers something to mom Tony. Mad I'm told is my brother. Seem on the playground, but he never plays with the other kids he sits by himself. I sit by sometimes but I don't think he likes me because he pushes me and tells me to leave him alone. He's three years older than twice my size people say look like each other but I don't see. MOM picks this up. She seems so much like a giant bird like she swooped down from the sky and got us I wanNA tell her not to worry that I can fly to I'm strong enough, and sometimes when I'm dreaming my ears get big big enough to be like wings and I can fly anywhere I want. I. Just flat them and sore way up into the sky. Tell myself remember. You have to remember this when you wake up. You can fly. And I'm remembering now because I just woke up and I wanNA tell her but there's no time she beats her wings and we take flight over the school the playground, the yard, the field, the buildings the entire Senate on compound will be played games and eight and saying and slept where we heard the adult screaming through the speakers of the wire the in house radio with its crackle and his leading us hear the sounds of people laughing. People crying people yelling people dancing a jazz band playing music the punk squad the mean teenagers with their cursing and cuff jeans getting punched in the face. If they talk back every week, one of them runs away and everybody gets so mad. Son of the old man, the leader talking about things we don't understand. He says he loves us, but he's always angry. And the bird. Were told to call her mom. flapping furiously her eyes locked in some faraway point as she clutches her chicks and we fly up over Tamales Bay with its streams draining into the Pacific, ocean the giant redwoods on the hillside, the big waves crashing against the rocks on the coast slowly breaking them into tiny pieces, fracturing them pulling them apart. Till. They're soft to the touch portable and broken easy to walk on. The. Place into a small plastic bag for tourist visiting with Sunburn ankles from some ancient city to the east. I just want one thing. In a chatroom people might know this is a memoir. This is not a book of fiction. So all we talk about today is about your life to make that clear at the top what would the consequences of leaving? It's not like you just walk out yeah they were. They were threatening to murder people who left they had stockpiled about a thousand rifles There was a goon squad called the Imperial Marines that Chuck Diederik, who's the leader of Sinn, and on had recruited and doing drills in the field, and this is you understand this is a place that started as a non violent society violence wasn't allowed at all and in devolved as called Stewart devolved. and so we were risking. Getting beat up we were risking getting found one did leave. We were always told there was just this refrain. The bad men are coming. You gotTA hide. We weren't. We weren't allowed outside that first year at all when we went to hide in Oakland and Berkeley we stayed inside because it was we were worried that the the bad men were gonNA come. So we we live we essentially lived on the run. For about a year year and a half before we eventually. You know went to Oregon which was sort of like our sanctuary was like Salem Oregon in the rain. Like nineteen eighty, one, the feeling was like the hippies lost. and. I wasn't hip. The kid I didn't know I was just trying to piece together and so is my brother. You know. But I think the feeling was Reagan as president and here's Reagan. who was like my mom's arch nemesis from those free speech movement at Berkeley because he was governor California and he's president now and it was like they lost then whole generation it all the high minded. Just there were still I think we forget how much in the Eighties The ghosts of Vietnam was still with us that there were still. So like early eighties, you still had so many vets walking around the streets and so many people were at for the horrors of that war were still very fresh and they were still very fresh in the American consciousness as well. So I, think there was just this feeling of defeat. And like it just didn't, it didn't work out all these high minded ideal sort of devolved into madness and now it was we were hiding away and. The bad men. Did come and you witness such a horrible thing sitting on your porch in the driveway with Phil Toss about Phil and yeah. Sorry Okay. Sorry about this Yeah it was. It was tough we. We moved to a house in Berkeley and we we weren't allowed outside And one day. Phil who you know I wouldn't say it was like a father figure but there weren't any man around and we had a single mom because our parents had split but he was this really nice man he was he was a anti nuclear weapon activists and he still like big activists these days who's trying to shut down the Diablo Canyon. A reactor and he m he lived with us and he was a friend they were friends and he was friends with us in his daughter was friends with us and who's nice man and I I'd always come out when he when he got home, you know and one of the days my brother finally warm. My mom down was allowed to play outside because we weren't generally to do that, and so he was across the street and my brother wasn't you know came home and His is orange VW bus like any good hippie. He had an orange VW bus and he parked the bus in the driveway and he got out in these two men walked and I didn't know what at the time what it was, but they had this flesh mass like you see in movies like bank robbers where I soon they were nylons or something, and they were holding these short batons. They weren't quite baseball about someone they might have been pipes I don't know they were black. And he got out, he smiled at me and they just walked up behind him started beating him and he fell on the ground. Then he started screaming our is lopped And They beat him into. A coma. And was, yeah, I, was on the Portuguese five feet in front of me my brother watch from across the street. And then once they were done one of them sort of straighten up and said worse Tony and mccown. And he didn't seem exhaust hiding behind a part of the porch and look across the street, and then my brother was with a group of kids and you know. They they didn't know his name so the and they didn't know my name 'cause our never allowed to play with it because browse locked in the in the inside unable to play. So then you know the neighbor lady came out and started screaming and everyone was just terrified in and then ambulance came in I mean demand left and then the ambulance came in and that's when we realized we had to we had to leave California I and sort of go somewhere else and we we ended up in Salem. Oregon. One of the striking things the goes throughout the book is your relationship with your mom and you had this way about you. From very young they. Try to please all all the time. Yeah I think the kids respond to stressful situations. In, different ways and so much of the book I try to write about this from the perspective of the child is trying to figure it out. I was trying to I realized about halfway through writing the book what I was really doing giving his childhood voice this child that never had us because no one ever asked us how we felt no one ever said, hey, maybe we should get these kids some therapy they left an orphanage they witnessed crazy violence they're terrified the traumatize. There was just we were treated sort of his accessories to all this and so in giving that voice. I realized how much I very early understood that that was sort of my role different kids take on different roles and families sometimes because of alcoholism sometimes it's you know it could be cancer poverty itself. Why kid becomes the super at one kid becomes the scapegoat one could becomes what's called the mascot and these things sort of predictable take on my brother was very much the the rebel scapegoat child that was just like he was there to cause trouble and very early on you. Not, just you. Spend on how to out. I'll told us about two years of my life in a headlock. Added up. But I think I was like Abu The supermarket aisle I'll try to rise above this. I'll take care of everyone would get up before dawn on make breakfast go spend three hours doing chores we raise rabbits for meat because we didn't have you know we lived on food stamps and government cheese and all that kind of stuff and we raise festivals and stuff so. I would get up when it was cold and the rabbit balls froze over whatever and be like eight years old out there for three hours, replacing all the water and then go to school and then come home and shop. The would because we've never heater we just had a stove a like a like a woodstove and and try to make sure my mom's okay and be sort of her her caretaker. She was severely depressed. She dealt dealt was crippling depression her whole life, and then try to keep my brother at bay, and of course, when I was writing the. Book and I was giving voice to my brother I. I had I kinda came to have a different understanding of 'cause at the time I would have set out. He was just kind of being a jerk and then he's so mad and just all grown up you so mad, he was always calling him out. He's like this is bullshit he would say that he was like ten years old. This is bullshit. What are we doing? We rabbits I mean hamburger meat and ice cream, and what is this? Why are we running from this and now I can go play. And you know at the time I think I resented it, and now now when I when I wrote it, I look back like this kid speaking truth this this is the one. This is the one kid that sees it clearly like and it really gave me a lot more. You know his his response probably was in some ways emotionally more healthy than than mine which was to try to pretend I was you know could could outrun it or outlasted or something. Your mom who you're always trying to please. Her sense of reality was. Well, I mean she had her own issues and dealt with her own sense of reality. You'd say to her hey, I'm hungry and she says, no, you're not you earlier you know and and. All this want to. Lead to run away. We're talking now age wise. Start around four Senate on. We're now what about age eleven? Ten Eleven. Yeah. My first step dad had left or died. We weren't sure which he was a good man but a severe alcoholic but just put a nice guy. He always take us fishing down by the Willamette. River those guerrilla and then the my second Stepdad you know there's this thing in memoir writing where you're always supposed to look for the good and care n people. You're writing and I tried to do that a lot with my brother and my mom or you know my dad or whatever where you if someone's presented to you that you have decoration with, you try to see what they're struggling with and right about that. You have to write from a place of love and I think the one person in my whole life it I don't feel any need to do about. Is My second step that right now was clear. What the literary of I don't know how you put it in literature that someone was just a jerk but is was the I wouldn't say he was like some monstrous violent persons much as he was a lot of time intimidating me and then one night know stand over me and he beat my dog and he threatened me in that and then one night of blew over he comics some names and then I called my mother some. Names, and then he got in the face and got my face and pin me down and he you know being and I got up and white my tears in got on my bike and I ran away it was late at night I was maybe ten years old and I went to the West Salem Bridge, which is where I. would spend with my step dad who was this warm he was a drunk he was great drunk. Kind drunk it was a fuzzy drunk. He was like, yeah. Okay. Trouble hold on a job but he was a good day. You know we watch cartoons and and he was also just a place of warmth for us in in a world that we didn't have a lot of that and so I went looking for him. That was yeah that's that's that night and then I assume we're we're introducing the song here is. I'd I'd love. Feuds Kanawha how I would park, which is the soundtrack We're GONNA play We're going to bring a Mimi from the airborne toxic event over as well, and she's going to sit with me and we're GONNA play the song coming out which is based on. That night everyone made me per se the wonderful talented Mimi Pichet shreds. and we're GONNA play a bit of a role. We can play all coming out which is the story of of that night. No to suited. The front. Tune Rah. Was Loan Rod you. Think of me. Runaway. On away this is Matt. To. Cease it come on. Come on oh come on. Come on. Now. On. A Now Come. Law. On hard nine. Have Beer on should turn out live from the front door. I'll be tuning. Guy Got. Twenty Bucks. Pocket. 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About five years ago in my whole world fell apart and I was I became very depressed I hardly left the house for about nine months and everyone knows grief is sad I didn't understand how confusing grief could be I was baffled by it was like the laws of physics changed and I remember thinking like I don't understand a world that doesn't have my dad in it and so I initially I had read between the world to me on he coaches book, which is sort of the conceit of the book is that it's a letter to his son and I just thought here's a really. Powerful way to think about writing a as the as an or as it you're writing for an audience of a person I think that's the book I initially set out to write like a maybe like kind of like a letter, my father, and then as I got into it, I realized I wanted to write something else because I everytime I. got early. I tried to explain to myself why my father's death hit me so hard I had had led to new questions while he was the first person I ever trust that's why he missed. Okay. Well, why was he the first person? You just well see Osborne inordinate. Well. Okay. So then often was inside a coal. Okay. But also, and it was like he was his whole world that I I had to wrestle with. So I decided I was going to write from the perspective of my I starting at the place of my earliest memory, which is the debut left sin. And a lot of the early detail. A lot of what I did was I did a lot of world building. So members like the string like you start to pull it, and then you get more and more and more the more time you spend on a in some Tony Morrison as this wonderful idea that memories it's called remem remember he lives in places. If you go to a place, the memory is still there in the place where it happened. So I don't know if you've ever had the experience of going to like your childhood home absolutely have to, and then your awash and suddenly things you hadn't thought about twenty eight all your friends there and and. You can smell the food you can smell the you know the carpet you can it's, and then you remember not just that but entire things that happen in your life entire attitudes that you no longer have because you've groner because you've changed so I would do that I would go to different places that the book took place and I would just write down or you know memorialize into my a tape tape-recorded like everything I remembered, and then I'd go home and right around that until I had. A good you know usually was between twenty and forty pages per place. So there's like you know Salem Oregon and the house they're they're sending on there's Plato, raid the apartment there the house in Westchester various parts of my life and I would just go to these places and then write about them and then I would call contemporaries that were there as well and particularly an compare notes you know you WanNa make sure you're not the only member am I remembering this right how do you remember this? Try to make sure and sometimes people would like. Yeah. It's exactly how remembrance and things like No. That's not what happened what I I'm sure if you asked your mom. I mean the way you both looked at the world was so different that she would remember things very different than yes. Of course So I compared notes with people and then the what synthesizing particularly the early stuffing of the first couple chapters are written from the perspective of we and I got a lot of detail from those those few chapters mostly from my brother. He was a lot older than I was at that point. So between all those different events, it was like once I had the places then I could just in this was about six months before I put any apply wrote a single word of the book. I spent six months doing this and then. when I got into it then I could just right. I could think about the story I can think about how things are being said I can think about how I was bringing new people in new characters and so I didn't have to think so much about our what I remember about this guy had already done all that footwork and I could just say, Oh, this is taking place at the house embrace avenue. Let's open that document and then okay, that's the world. All right go. and that helped a lot. because. A lot of this book is it does a lot of things you know memoirs aren't supposed to do. I. Guess There's magical realism in the book there's an unreliable narrator say things that are patently untrue because I believe them when I was six years old I believe some of the lies I had been told an N. I wanted the reader to go on this journey with. Me and my feeling was that these things are usually considered kind of the province of fiction. But I felt that wasn't it wasn't necessary that we construct our identity around magical realism. That's why we have you know mythology. That's why we have religion. It's why we have all kinds of different ways in which we think about our lives in these in these ways we we are oftentimes. Unreliable narrators of our own experience. So I thought you know, why can't I put these memoir? Why can't I I'm used these ideas to probe how I came to understand what had happened and who I was and and to let the reader on this journey with me because that's what it was. It was a journey of discovering what was real and what wasn't when I. Had started from a place where I had been told a lot of things that just turned out to not be true and I later realized this is what happens to a lot of traumatised children that they start in a place where no one's really listening to them and they're being told lies in half the slowly you know figure out on the things that are that are true. There was A. Moment euro or a runner your Your family comes to watch you in a race. That you win. A but your motivation. Is. Not Be like you're father. Yeah. You talk about this empty chair. And not only his failures are your motivation to success, but you can't you can't tell them. Something deeply striking about that. Yeah. there. There was a there was a time when we didn't really know our dad very well I. Remember he came to see me my six birthday in those. That's like when I really remember my relationship with him starting we'd seen each other before that seem centered on stuff but. and he was this mythological figure to us. He was like you know Clint Eastwood Meets, James Dean he was just this. We saw him. You know he'd pick your I mean what? What he looked like how he dressed he had. This big Jim Croce Mustache in a wife Roe. And you know he he only made it to like eighth grade before he started. You know what he calls you know basic mischief. But what was really like he got he was involved in a life of crime until he was about twenty, five, twenty six and you know they would steal cars and run bad credit card. Numbers and sell drugs and stuff, and and whenever any tell us about it. He was never like shy about telling us about his time in prisoners time as a professional criminal and we'd be like Dad, was it Kinda like organized crime was just like Gordon me like? This organized. We were too high to be organized. And that's how he was he was warm and he was funny and he and he was clean by the way to unlike most people who had that experts, he actually did clean up and he turned it around in my entire life. He never got so much as a parking ticket. So this is all just kind of something we knew about his past nothing we experienced, but we experienced was this wise man who'd seen everything? But you're literally running from that past of his got older. So as a child I worshipped I, it was just like that's the province children. My Dad can beat up your dad, my doctor ask your dad or whatever. You Know My dad at the coolest life ever, and then by high school I decided I was very important for me to go to college I wanted to get out I, want it to be the. Get to the next level in my life. I was a standout athlete and it was very dedicated student in it was an and that world suddenly switched and then I kind of an in the sat prep world. In the you know a AP class world I resented he couldn't help me with my homework and the fact that he had gone to prison my all the kids in my classes are their their parents were engineers and doctors and lawyers and my dad it felt like this mark of shame. That my dad had been to prison. My Dad couldn't help me with these things and I and I started to feel ashamed of it and so when I ran I would always have this image as a distance runner and a lot of what you do is you have to fight the fatigue and the pain and push through it and there's a lot of toughness with distance runners in my way of doing that was I would picture my dad and my brother and my brother was also a big rebel sitting in two chairs and then there'd be this third chair was empty net chose for me and it was like in jail cell and that's where I was going to end up. And it would literally drive me to the point. I was so angry where I just I want I don't WanNa be like you don't WanNa be like you which, of course then was also complicated by the fact that he was a lovely man and you know I I i. he was a kind warmhearted everyone. Love my dad everyone I the kids on the street. Loved my dad the family is funny and so I had a lot of mixed feelings about it because he was the place of warmth for my brother and I and affection and kindness and wisdom, and the time is I wanted to sort of blaze my own path and I felt like I was trapped by his his choices. You WanNa bring me back in you. WanNa 'cause. Tells about all at once. Well, we set up I'll wants is a song about the world changing all all of a sudden and sometimes that can be the death of personally important to you, and sometimes it could be let's just say a massive pandemic. And you're suddenly living in a new world that you didn't think that he would be living. We were. With time. Nameless in the. House of a mother. Father Anka. In the word wait for US thousand years in the crush of. Fearless and A Nothing. Then we. To. In the. Red Become. something. We never be. We were surprised. By the ninth. inning come. Mass. They just stood all that time. Then it comes. In In the. would. Someone. Ban. Show. So the Maybe Shows. Hope it'll be okay. We. Are. Just. Be Some. Looking down. On the day we. To each other. And? We'll take a quick break be right back. I'm talking with Mikhail Joe layabout his memoir Hollywood Park. There's also an album by his band the airborne toxic event also called Hollywood park, and we're return a minute and you're listening to all songs considered from NPR music. This message comes from NPR sponsor better help better help offers licensed professional counselors who specialize in issues such as isolation, depression, stress, anxiety, and more connect with your professional counselor in a safe and private online environment. When you need professional help get help at your own time and your own pace schedule, secure video or sessions, plus chat and text with your therapist. VISIT BETTER HELP DOT com slash songs to learn more and get ten percent off your first month. It's all songs considered I'm Bob Boylan I'm talking with Mikhail. Joe layabout his book Hollywood Park. It's a memoir also followed up by an album and a quick note that you can watch this whole performance and conversation online. There's a link at the all songs considered site. Tell someone our youtube channel, the NPR Music Youtube Channel. So. Let's talk about Jake. Jake. And, your your discovery of Robert Smith Your discovery of Music So I, there was a new kid from Nebraska that came to our class when I was in fifth grade and you ask them where. Nebraska, our side. And he walked into the class and first of all, he was eleven years old. At six foot three already. So he was this giant you know we were all these normal sized little kids and he was already sixty and he was sitting in this desk and behind me reading a Hardy Boys Book and my teacher asked me to take him under my wing comes to be you know. So I I, you know I struck up a conversation. We started chatting as you guys kids do. So you hear what you do and you know and and then out of nowhere he's like he swore in Farley he said, you know I don't know man we do a lot of bullshit and I was like, Oh, this test. result. Oh so swell could swear and I was like, yeah man there's a lot of bullshit around here. Like, calligraphy and fractious bullshit other bullshit like that. So we went to his house and he he was living in a similar situation government cheese and food stamps and whatnot and had some struggles with his own parents and so he brought he brings me upstairs in east like I got to play something for you we to his room and he puts his record on and it sounds like these guitars that are under water and there's this warble of voice and I didn't know you know what it was. And it turned out to be the head on the door by the cure and I I liked it i. he made I think he made me some mix tapes and cure mix tapes from all the different records and. I didn't understand how these songs could simultaneously feel so happy and so sad and it felt so different from you know. So much of the music that was popular pop music at the time was about winning. It was about how hard Kenya party you know how bad Asir you if it's you know whatever and nobody was writing songs well, losers and we were losers and I don't I don't mean to say we were like total losers at like were screw ups right? We we had. Something you could identify with wasn't in the the everyday culture because right? Yeah and it felt like it made it okay to feel messed up because we felt messed up a lot of the time and it was okay and it was like a relief and it was also incidentally this gateway as. It was like a door we walk through we're just these white trash kids and rainy. Salem Oregon, and here's these people and they're they're from this place. England and they're making this amazing music. That's about how sad they are and how screwed up they feel angry they can be in there's anguish and I think it was the smiths and it was you know the Cure and David Bowie and things like that and and it was like it was artistic. It was clever and it was sarcasm and it just made the pop music or the heavy metal or the everything just kind of sound like we were no longer interested in we. It was an it felt like finding like minded souls. I guess it was like we were felt like. A relief. There was a relief to it. All to being in felt like being seen like this is our music. This is who were always on everywhere we went. We get up one of those like cassettes dual. Kazakhs. Twenty batteries will walk through the woods you know playing loud bomb. You're the one. That was ruined. And just we like feeling. UNLOVABLE And you're about how old is was yeah like. preteens let's say eleven to thirteen or so like this this is what we in. This is what we did constantly jake everywhere we went we just and we assessed with David Bowie. We are obsessed with Morrissey in our minds more segalla girls. More. At that age as important. But I talked about picking up the guitar for the first time we're how what's the distance between finding the cure so to speak and and then picking up that guitar from your another two years went by, and at that point I I'd moved to Los Angeles and I had a friend who had acoustic guitar. My friend drew in Westchester Los Angeles California Westchester kind of the suburb and we went from living with my mom which was very difficult to living with my dad and my mom Bonnie which she's my step. Mom. But we don't use the S. Word and my family is you know she was also my caretaker in cinema. which is a whole thing that would I talk about a lot in the book but she's she's essentially been a mom to me since I was six months old so I just Karma So and they were they were great parents and there was finally some room to breathe air was finally some sense like, okay. People care people we have. We can just be the kids that we wanted there's food to eat. There's not this constant crisis happening So my friend Andrew had a guitar. It was like an Acoustic Guitar and what's that Smith's line? You know I thought if you had an exclusive Qatar you were protesting. I think of the topic. The first time I saw a guitar like, what is he a cowboy? Electric Guitars enroll, you know see like a Jaguar or something, but then you hear a song from a cure, your cords. And it takes you to play. Yeah and he played a few I think he played a Smith Song and then he played at Bowie song and the life on Mars and then and now the songs in the room. It was this conjuring. There's something magical about where it was like he play and suddenly we weren't. You know just two guys sitting around in a room and some sleepy suburb we were with these big ideas. You know suddenly we were part of this world, and so it felt like this conjuring in from that moment on I wanted to conjure things too and I wanted to learn to play guitar wanted to learn to write songs I I was never one of these. Guys that learned all the licks you know those guys that can just Wale in the closet and player I just didn't care. I learned songs from artists that I like and then I wrote my own songs from almost from the jump. I knew that this was an instrument. That's what his purpose was was to help me you know right about. How screwed up by. The time. But. To also then participate in that same world that David. Bowie and Robert Smith and Morrissey and people like that. They were in the room with us they know and. And the weirdest part I think well. You became a music journalist. A very bad one well, I. I wish your editor. For a short time which is how we met about seventeen eighteen years ago. You did a couple of Jesus for all things considered I was the director of the show back then. You are in a bad music journalist. How will thank you? CARE. What music journalist because I didn't care about the journalism I would interview my heroes and ask them how they wrote songs, and then I tried to figure out a way to like turn it into an article I. Knew I had to write. But. All. They really cared about was like meeting different and different people and ask them how they how they wrote the songs that I loved and got a lot of rape. I had a great conversation with Tom Waits. With Lou. Reed with Stephen Malcolm S with You know also Robert Smith and and David Bowie got to meet, which is I mean just think about that I mean. I do the. Things that we all can't imagine that can happen to us in our lives. Right, you're this kid who finds the cure starts strumming a guitar and that not so many years later you're in a room with David, Bowie and Robertson talk about the advice. Let's say Robert Smith given then with David Bowie. Of Things have they told Robert Smith was Um querulous. Strange, in every every bit as Robert Smith as you at hope, he would be you know. Almost worried with someone like Robert. Smith that if you meet him, he's just GonNa. Be like. How are you and just like? Damnit, he's normal and. Allow. It sorta strange and wonderful in and really bright and we're in this hotel room. We had like a it was one of these horrible industry listening parties where like the label is there and different journalists and and he's discovered gotta worse things. were. Journalists. Don't listen to the music. They're they talk. It's. Everyone's talking over the record in Robert Smith is standing there stiff as a board in the corner while everyone just kind of his in this high in cocktail party talking I was like this is a weird So he and I was mad about it. So we got drunk together and it was like I mean come on a my like my heart Mike your loving heart to to have this three hour I the three hour conversation in a hotel room with Robert Smith, what we just drank a bunch of beer talked about our lives and. Eventually, we got I told him I wanted to write songs, and that this is all our isn't I opened up about like you know I'm just trying to learn and. The biggest piece of advice. He gave me a few pieces of advice but the big piece of advice as he's like don't be normal don't worry what you're writing. Sounds strange don't try to write with other people feel don't try to write which you think other people are feeling right about precisely the contradictions that you are going through right about if you feel messed up the very specific flavor of what that is in your own mind as you personally understand it and don't worry about army norm I think the way he said it was normal is everything I hate about life which you know he's sort of like he lives that idea. The idea of writing about your contradictions can you give be and everyone just a little about what that means to you and I don't know if there's any songs that that fits into the people with no I know we wanna play a graveyard near the house. I don't know if it leads can lead. US, why don't I lead into graveyard and we'll talk about that. So the graveyard near the house is a really good example of a song I started to. Write about the idea of true love from this of knowing you know you're GonNa die someday also knowing that as you get older are the relationship gets older. You know love often fades and people fade buys face a what. What is love look like if you're really being honest and I I was really interested in not shirking from the challenges of that idea and of course, for me I've been in therapy and I'd seen a therapist about having been born in. Raised in an orphanage in what you what you end up with his descrip- alling fear of closeness at the same time as you have this incredibly strong need for it. So both those things kind of simultaneously exist inside you when you've been let's say abandoned at an early age how I think the kids from senator non experienced it and and you know we thought I think for me I thought I emerged unscathed because I was always so I'm going to be Upbeat I'm GonNa try and achieve things, and then what where it kind of came to a head for me was I had a real hard time with relationships for a lot. A lot of years because because of that, and so I wanted to write about that Robert Smith's words were just always echoing my head of just write about the contradictions you understand right about your personal emotional experience and don't just give me like all you need is love unless that's how you feel. But. That isn't how I feel at all like this huge number of complex things about about it. So when Mimi and on, we're going to give you a little bit of A. Or Olive the graveyard the graveyard near the house. The other day when we were welcomed by the graveyard near the house, you asked me if I. Leave. And if life in love both fades. predictively, we've made us ourselves kind the Dick. and. So I pictured us like corpses lying side-by-side visas in some dock only. Rebecca. We looked so silly de decomposed have turned the. In tattered clothes probably look just By by. This dog innocence I can't pretend. What is going to happen next? You know. About. Do you. Left me you wonder if people ever know each. Just stumble around like strangers in the. Casino Times seem so strange to me I must seem strange to you like to actors. Did you memorize your lines because I did his the by where I get so mad today you. Can't forget you. And you get so quiet now and you seem. Like a last. Shot. Moment. dog-eared it isn't. Going to happen next. You have no idea about me. Yeah no I dea bow. This something time and. To the ground moment passed. then. It seems a little less. were. Oh. Oh. I'm just trying to write it. down. Sons and you write letters we toddler to insert as. Talk in read and lavish sleep bed nine to get. You. Sometimes. See the thoughts blasts across you is they said Thailand, will you be kind? Will you be a good man stay behind? It. All. In the letters, all pass through my head with the worst said I was told. About the fading flesh of life and love failures. Can List. It's crippling fear like I'm reading from. All. The fireworks love still. I will carry you with me every year. If you die before I die odd name out of the sky. Fall, asleep. and. Dream. Way. Some say it's better to move on and let life just carry on and maybe. Instill, still, try. Whether. Loser. It's better A. View. Our. Love Our love you to. Ta. So, good together. Yeah. She's the one is lots. Lots of applause in the chat room. Thank you for everybody in Chat Room. Today. To different brains, it seemed to me. are needed to. Write the words you put into this beautiful book, and then another complete other brain that. Only, a few of us in life have is the one to be a right songs. Be Able to connect with people with your songwriting. Top at the relationship between the songs for the album. Hollywood park. And the book. So obviously book started I I would imagine yeah, I. Was Writing The book after my father died and. I was just so in this world emotionally that I was writing from in childhood world, some of the songs are written from the perspective of myself as a young child. You know the anger that I felt of living on the run or the fear felt from running away or all the different times Senate on people had tried to escape in the way that children have been ignored and. a lot about my father's life before I was born as well because I spent a lot of time thinking about that once he died as people do and I guess if I'm being totally honest there was there was a return to something. As a band, we'd had a lot of time on the road when when when you become a professional musician, I hate that term because we're not very professional about anything. You know but there's always pressure on you and people want you to follow these arcane rules of songwriting or whatever. There's always like some asshole. Going, like right hit get. Any like Wang Yang Nineteen eighty-one. Can you write me one of those hits I want the title Song to be downbeat of the first course. GimMe. A minor key and then you know an out zero you know and I think if I'm being honest I think a lot of that was in my head for years because I felt I don't know maybe like is there something intoxicating about it something intoxicating but having success particularly music because you go on tour and people clap and blushing it's the way you make your living. While my dad I suddenly just needed music again, the way I had when I was a kid or the way I had when was. First starting out. So there was a return to something. There was this sense I don't give a shit. About you know we'd been dropped by our record label and I knew Anna was leaving the band and I just didn't give a shit about any of that anymore and I just wanted to write from the heart I wanted to write the songs were weird and they didn't have courses or if there wasn't any hoax because I just probably know hoax and if there wasn't, you know I didn't catch wanted to capture with us going through I wanted there to be a record of what what was going through. Eh. Scott. Fitzgerald has this thing that the the living a scholastic life and artistic life is different than leading. You know life that isn't in the arts You just leave a record you know or if you're musician, you make and and that's really where I was coming from I wanted to capture this moment and I've met with the band and we talked about it and we were just like all right. There's just kind of the four of US versus the world it's Adrian and Stephen Darren and it was like You know. Let's just go make something. We love you know for all the reasons we love music. Let's not make a record for anyone but ourselves let's not make a record for anything that's based on anything but you know the ways in which we live rock and roll and was the sense of like we didn't know was going to happen we. Didn't have a deal with an avenue. I don't know we just kind of locked ourselves in rooms in and did it and it felt like it was giving life to these stories to some extent I think all the all new my dad too, and there was a sense of honoring him. I'm just wind this thing right and I think some of the. Songs, I was writing. I was writing because I knew he would like them. It's a little more classify and other records are records go maybe from postponed a forward but we've never really been like in this record I think almost there's almost a sense of classic rock and parts of it and I think it's partially 'cause my dad loved Classic Rock. I. was trying to just write these things that I knew that would conjure his spirit and would be good and great for the reasons he loved music and and it was it was. So like I it was too big to care about outcomes if that makes any sense. Yeah both writing the book and writing the music, help you as a human understand your. Your faults and You have a successful bluff and. Ran Away, from so many and so many. Ran. Away from you and I mean, it was sort of a full circle moment that happened when so my brother and I while I was becoming a musician after I stopped being music journalists in started the band, which by the way, a Bob told me to do I. Can you explain that to? Me I'd done some pieces format NPR and he I said Bob I want to read I am thinking of starting a band but I'm not sure because my writing crews going pretty well any in Bob said, you can always right go to her. That's fine. Writing later I didn't remember that at all. Before tiny desk and all the ways that Bob is gone onto, put his imprint on the entire music world in we were just kind of two guys that love music and we were talking about and is like I don't know what to do. Scared to go take this big leap and Bob was go take the leap man. You're a good writer you couch right you'll come back to it. If you need to go take the leap, who's Great Advice Bob Thank you, I'm proud of you. So. While I was doing that my brother had a sort of deep into addiction and eventually found himself after years of drinking on. And then eventually to heroin and. I was very scared when he when he finally disclosed his sort of full addiction to me and we we took him to to rehab any dried out. You know I don't want to give too much away from the book but his story is so incredible deed and I would go to these AA meetings and those you know anything about program I'm not a program person. Really? I also watch my brother share and some of the best storytellers in the world they're not doing ted talks they're not on. Public Radio there at an AA meeting, you don't tell the story they know how to do a beginning a middle and then they ought to tell a joke these people are story toes. by the way, ca is the best stories but anyways And I remember just watching my brother had the sort of peace of mind and had come come to terms with a lot of sort of his demons and I and here I am having finally some big success in my life feeling. So lost in. Know, the basics of love can't have relationship. I'm not good at it and I didn't know why and so You know there's this idea that rock and roll conceive you. You know there's this there's this peripatetic sense you go on the road and you know you're just GonNa live out your dreams on this bus and be married to the road and I made that decision for this May I this is what I do and you know and then I sort of realize it was just kind of a cover for the fact that US out scared to face you know what was maybe not. What was broken myself and it was hard to write about this too because you know it it as a person who always wants to come off as larger than life it's it's hard to admit you know struggling us that's struggling there for Awhile Babo, some dark dark stuff in in in I. It's hard to feel like he can't change I had tried to change so many different ways you know you you call a friend and you try to work it out. You still still can't change you. You use whispered into a quiet here at dawn in in you still can't change and you write a song about it. You steep it in like metaphor irony, you your volume of your voice at some ungodly levelness thousands of people that are now and you're still stuck as the same person in your head and in your personal life. and. You can't change. So the day came. When I'd had enough and I walked into the therapist office is a sunny little day I think culver city and. I walked into this really warm sort of British man with these red cheeks sitting across from me and he said, why are you here already wanted seek therapy and I said? Without missing a beat I said I WANNA be able to fall in love. I. And I know I have to change? And that was hard. It was hard to admit that that like you WanNa feel like a victim because we were victims as children we were victims we were we were abused beaten ignored and neglected and put in an orphanage and. Man, there was Holloway's and when you when you have that perspective about yourself, you think I above it and I ended up with a scholarship to Stanford like I. I like really kind of felt saw myself as like I transgressed all of this, I got out. And then you realize no, you didn't get out and then now you're responsible for your own changing your own self and to admit that I had shortcomings in that I was bad at released. That was that was hard but I really wanted to follow and I wanted to get married and I wanted to do all those sorts of things and so five years on the couch on a twice a week for five years Bob I. I did and I write. About this in the book about learning the landscape your mind it's hard. It's painful is uncomfortable. You don't have to look at parts yourself. You don't WanNa look at you have to sit with sadness or grief for shame or these uncomfortable things that you don't want to sit with, and after a while you start to get to know yourself and you start to make new decisions and then eventually in my case I think I felt like I was ready to fall that. And my wife and you have and and infecting I point out that there's a hand-drawn NPR logo. Above your book tell us about that. My son made that might three year olds on a new. The daddy was going to be doing a big NPR thing today. So you had a little help from, but those those that was his contribution and boy I you know we have two kids. Now I've three year old and a five month old and it's a just you know becoming a father just It was like I spent so many years like I was on the outside looking in either in this kind of lake near do well, you know married to the road conway or just as this kind of orphan kid that was always looking at families wondering if. I was ever going to have that and just have a son was just so much blinding Choi. Now my daughter smile and look at me, and it just brings this blinding piece enjoying this feeling of of warmth in to know what that requires of me is you know that I continue to to stay aware of my shortcomings and be able to be a good husband and a good father, a good friend and a good son and a good brother that you learn those lessons and a lot of those lessons I learned in therapy and some of them were sitting there right out in the open that I learned from my dad. from from Bonnie's well I'm Bonnie and so. I'd say that like by the time he had died I was ready and We he was very sick for awhile and towards the end of his life, it was kind of funny situations we knew he was going to go as sometimes happens with people who are very sick in the modern world you kind of know make within the week. So. We've all gone to the hospital where at Cedars Sinai and I walk in and there's my dad and he's laying in the bed and he's got you know tubes in his arm and he's got one in his neck because he's very sick and he's so small and so FRA-. And I'd started dating my wife at that point but we're just dating and I said Hey dad and he said I see hey, and he's kind of coming out of conscious because of the morphine and I said I have something i WanNa tell you. He said, what's that I said I'm going to ask her to marry me. Is He really liked my wife for the first time. We met her he said you should marry that. which he was right and he saw that's great and then he kinda paused any any looked up at me. And he said don't. And I was confused for minute I say is he questioning marriages? You questioning my choices it the morphine. Any sort of correct smile and he put his hand, my cheek and he said. Don't fuck it up. And those. Those last words those the last conversation that. We ever had and that's my dad. Know is is exactly. He knows me well enough to know that's what I needed to hear. He sorted joking with me and he's wise and loving all at the same time. That's that's who he was. So you know a lot of my life was spent admiring him running away from him and then eventually wanting very much to have that same warm center, my heart he had. That despite you know all the years that time he got he was in Chino, presenter. He'd he'd gotten out and. He stay at the racetrack, which is what why Hollywood park is named for. We would spend a lot of long afternoons through through the years at Hollywood park. You went there when he got the day he got out of prison he took a greyhound bus and shot dyson the back in one fourteen. Horse all one arse and you take you. And then kid he would take me and then I grew up I learned fractions at Hollywood park and it was kind of our place. That's where our father son bond happened was. We would go to date races him Humid Shady Friends Hey Jimmy teaching them to family business. A. And here are these little toe head kids with our like dad with this cool cafe jacket, his cowboy boots and his like kind of swagger. Double Rim, Romance and I know you brought to the studio? Because we're talking about Hollywood park This is actually a sign that I stole from Hollywood Park Bridge, closed down. Your Alaska they they actually destroyed the grandstand three weeks after my father died it was always a big blazing metaphor. For me on Mike's hiding some of the thing you want to read it to us or. Says when wagering please indicate the track name race number also please check your tickets and money before leaving the window. So this is what you would see if you waited in Hollywood park to to make a bet and so I checked it a keep steak and keep saying this. This was above my desk is I was writing the book. and. Then my wife likes to get these great old brochures They're like old Hollywood park racetrack in. Brochures from back in the day has all its arcane language and all these great little drawings of people horse racing. My Dad loved today the races and. You know there was always a sense that we were safe there and I'll I always knew it would be the title of the Book I was not the Title Record Iowa as the place felt magic in the fact that he went there every Saturday and then when he died, they shut it down and it just it felt like here's this metaphor this placing an aunt exist anymore it was almost like I felt like we invented like it it could only exist with him alive if he's not only I've. used. It why why would it exists and a lot of things feel that way to me now they're like these big intricate structures. In your life that become these big intricate memories and it's not something I think I understood it fifteen that the loss of people. Is So profound that you you. You create entire worlds. Where you can talk to them in your mind and I still talk to my dad almost every single day and so one of the great parts about writing the book and the record was I got to honor him but also got to be with him. I got to hang out with them. I got to ask him a lot of questions about the story I got to here in my head like what what is answer was did you ever get the band? Oh He loved the band. Are you kidding me? He Thought When he saw the last show he went to was at the Greek we played the Greek theater in l. a. and like he wanted me. You want me to bring him onstage. Wearing who's GONNA, Sing. And you know I, wish I had I had to. Come on you know we can't be doing that. You know I'm going to big rock band whatever. I if I could go back and do it again i. Would it's once how would have made his whole life you love and didn't have a good voice he had like a baritone voice and. Beautiful He loved the ban though he I think to some extent, he couldn't quite relate to my very academe side, the party that was like the scam on winner. Yeah. They went to Stanford and had all this sort of academic accolades and stuff. But then when I was like `I, banning all that around the time you and I talk I was like I'm leaving all the NPR stuff in the music journalism in the fiction writing I've been doing I'm going to start a band and everyone thought I was nuts and my dad was like go for it. He loved I think he does love having a son that was going to play rock and Roll I. Wish you could have heard the song when you take us out. Thank you for doing this and. This book I don't cry too much but thinking about this book and your story, it's so beautiful and. I listen to the audio book audiobook person. So I hear you telling me the story. It's a beautiful way to experience it but in any way you for those of you. Who are in the chat room haven't touched this book or maybe just read the first chapter you know store and Go forward and and enjoy it and Mikhail. Thanks for doing this it. This is not just about this book is not just about you think it. Certainly got me thinking about my life and. I think it will do that for many so. I really appreciate you. You have in us here today. Bob and and thank you. Thank you so much for all the good advice and her all. A lot of us that feel really happy for what you've done for the news growth and giving a voice to artists that aren't necessarily wouldn't wouldn't have the platforms they had. So you you've been a good guy for a lot of us for a long time. So thank you for the front. Bring back, Mimi, and close out. Take care of we'll go out on Hollywood, Park Seven. Five A. was known but burned in my. Veins weakness. A. Fourteen Made on. Raffarin. You. Elated on third because he was do. Do. Todd live. Uh. Names. This guy. Watching this. 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Los Angeles Times 7/16/20

L.A. Times Morning Briefing

02:35 min | 1 year ago

Los Angeles Times 7/16/20

"It's Thursday July sixteenth I'm Kyle Sour offer, and here's your local newest from the Los Angeles Times. Today will be partly cloudy with a high in the mid eighties and a low tonight of sixty to. Our top story Latinos he knows have been hit especially hard by the corona virus. This comes as California sees a surge in corona virus, cases and Hospitalizations Latinos make up nearly forty percent of the state's population and fifty five percent of its covid, nineteen cases and Elliott Times analysis of statewide Dato also found that for every one hundred thousand Latino residents, nearly seven hundred seventy have tested positive. Positive the black community has been hit particularly hard as well for every one hundred thousand black residents, nearly four, hundred positive by comparison about two hundred and sixty of every one hundred thousand white residents have confirmed infections officials say that this has led to growing calls for California to do more to make workplaces safer and to increase testing for non white communities that are seeing major outbreaks. In local news, the two thousand twenty one rose parade is canceled because of the covid nineteen pandemic parade officials announced the news yesterday instead of the parade, though officials are looking into options for celebrating the New Year in a new way, it's the first time in seventy five years that the Rose Parade has been canceled. The last time the parade was canceled was between nineteen, forty, two and nineteen, forty five during World War Two the rose. Bowl football game on January first is still plant. Pride News La Pride one of the nation's oldest and largest lgbtq pride celebrations is leaving West Hollywood next year after more than four decades. The move was announced Tuesday in a letter to the city council by Christopher Street. West the nonprofit that produces la pride. The letter cited several reasons for the move including construction in West Hollywood park, and the changing demographics of greater Los Angeles, the adventurous hundreds of thousands of people each year, and is a major economic driver for local businesses. There's no word yet on the new location. And finally fog Gras is back on the menu. In California a federal judge ruled Tuesday that the health code doesn't prevent the rich dish from being brought in from out of state. This decision comes as California's ban on the delicacy. The fat and liver of duck or goose was challenged in court by out of state. Flog raw producers who said they lost nearly one third of their total sales when the prohibition took effect. The California Attorney General's office said it was reviewing the decision. For these stories and more visit L. A. Times Dot Com.

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Mt. Rushmore of Things We're Looking Forward to in 2021

Mt. Rushmore Podcast

32:44 min | 7 months ago

Mt. Rushmore of Things We're Looking Forward to in 2021

"Greetings and welcome to the last episode of the mount rushmore. Podcast ever ever ever. You're not so lucky. Audience not unlucky. We're going on forever if we have our chance. We love it so much debating and deliberating the most ubiquitous aspects of any given topic. Not just me. of course. it's my good friend richard. Hello and michael audi and we have Been on a journey in this podcast and we've been through an entire presidency and we've seen things happen that we wish for and happen. We didn't wish for a we. Are anything not optimistic here. And looking forward into the new year We want to be a dialogue with you about what you want to see a happened in the world. What you want us to discuss and so we're going to start that dialogue by sharing the mount rushmore. Things we're looking forward to in twenty one and beyond so I believe this was who suggested. Kind of a mutual topic. I threw it out there. I think it was either at the end of last week's sewed or it was in like our him are just discussion about last week's episode. So yeah and we are narcissistic enough to think that we what we talk about actually impacts the world and there have been times. When we've said i know i you know i hope blank doesn't happen and then That thing apples probably No relation to your wishing for but we thought we do have a secret. Johnson bottle or the wish fulfillment theme of the latest one woman. Film were wishes to come through us somehow has leaked out into the universe. So we're going to talk about things that we're looking forward to in twenty twenty one and so Michael chosen so Richard jefferson right so My first choice. I kind of went after us from the pot of things that i'm looking forward to in twenty twenty one and so much of this is just wrapped up into things. I wasn't able to do in twenty twenty because the pam because of the lockdown. Just stuff that stuff. That i'd like to see happen in the first one is getting beat. My co workers. As i started. I started my job my current job in july so i have never physically met any of my boss any of my coworkers. Anyone else who works in our colleagues that i that i work with on a regular basis i communicate you know primarily via email at this point sometimes via instant messaging very rarely either phone or zoom meeting. And it's really awkward. You know. I'm somebody who really enjoys the social aspect of work you know. I'm i consider a good workplace to be a place where i'm socially comfortable and i think so much of me doing marketing portent for me to be able to get up and go across the hall and sort of talked to my boss for ten minutes about this project that we're working on and just get ten minutes of face time to able to sort out. Okay what do you really want from this. What are our parameters all this sort of stuff and it's just it's just you don't get to know anybody if you're not actually physically interfacing with them. Zoom meetings in the world and it. Just it's not it's not the same so that's something. I'm definitely looking forward to in twenty twenty one. Yeah what is it. What's your experience been in previous offices. Did you like the social aspect of personal interaction. Or was that. I said no i did. I've i've always kind of. I've sort of been someone who who liked the idea of being able to get up and go get a get a soda from the vending machine and swing by. Somebody's office and support my head and be like. Hey what did you do this weekend. Are williams can suspend five minutes. Or what are you working on. A project You know i. It kind of gets you through the day and makes the mundane slightly last monday and and i've had zero experience without over the last six months and it has been really weird. Yeah to hear tell. Some contemporary workspaces are designed for that that inter that chemistry that comes from people just kind of bumping in in that common area between here and break room more the coffee station or the washrooms or something like that Pixar headquarters. I think famously. So and it just sure does create some great interaction. That's you know you're talking about social talking about both at a occupational and social yeah ways. Yeah definitely you know. I i know my wife sarah. Is there off. Their their work is is possibly not gonna be going back to offices. Yeah when everything is said and done and that really wild to me. And i just i get it and if you're able to if you're able to do that i understand why why a Organization would want to not be spending millions of dollars on office space and electricity and god knows what else. Yeah but i i. There's something about that that makes me. That would make me uncomfortable on some level. Well michael how do you feel about that. Well i I have My job is like within an of the office building itself for the most part. I mean like in the facilities department so usually very hands on with Just things that happened in the building but having nobody there i've been kind of Not struggling but looking for different things so Like i totally get. The feeling of going back is kind of filling this part of me. That is just like there's a part of my job that i just don't do right now and still been employed in regard. Thank god that. But i don't share the same sort of like Wanting to spend time with my co workers aspect like bumping into them having these small conversations like that is just not me. I am just not a. I'm very helpful person. I will help anybody in do anything within the office in a very nice. But i'm not necessarily friendly with my co workers. I forget i. I project that out because i i have better things to do to be honest like like so if i could stay at home for the rest of whatever i if i go go in the office once a week i would be fighting with that. I can get all these social interaction. I need out of a free bagel friday. Which is never back. Do you feel that that. Richard is unique to this work space. You had some work environments before we like i need maybe maybe one. Yeah i can think of but that was but even then within my own little pod of people that i interacted with on a daily basis. I got along with really well. It was just some of the other some of the other way. You're you're definitely in a very unique situation having that you don't know what the personnel you don't know what the jelling is like in person so i find that i find that very interesting. Y- i mean. I i just don't know at this point. It's just you know. I've been working people for six months and i know nothing or next to nothing about i. Just find that very odd but by the way the when michael when you were responding to my erroneous suggestion for a topic for this week. You did say that we are going to do things. We're looking forward to in the new year. So that okay. That is the that is the title. I was working off of gotcha. Okay you know. I would like to say here at the mount rushmore guests offices. We rarely make contact when we see each other in the hallway Anytime that we can call in sick to work or home. The holiday party last year with dismal though one this year was non existent. And so i spend at least thirty to forty percent of my time hiding in the bathroom so weeping i would also say like in. I have seen some office mate's previously Take that walking around and social aspect and just make a whole day out of it like you can make a morning out walking around that coffee cup Talking to people and then what. If there's a perfect you know in the break room or something like that home. I got hanging around chatting. Afterwards you can cruise. You can cruise a two and a half hours in the afternoon. You know after after you know. There's an office birthday or something like that. It's joking around with the ups guy this is a. It's an artful wasting time like that windshield. Woody got my next choice and it may sound schmaltzy but it is. I'm looking forward to recording the podcast person again. Also on my list goals for you. It's just you know we got it. We've done it we've done Fortysomething episodes like this In in quarantine from home we played it really safe together and i personally. It's just it's better art being able to talk to you guys and hash things out in person in jeff's garage is i mean in the studio in the in a rush more relational studios with the rugs on the wall and the the the all the foam and All that stuff. I missed a professional of it. No i it's just it's the interaction is better. It's you don't have to deal with As we've had kind of blurry video or like a late Recording cues or just like trying to catch up to something stalling because of the wi fi or just like waiting for someone to speak in and talk and then be like no you go ahead. I think it's just it's a very common element of what we've all gone through this year with zoom meetings and you know a kids being taught school at home and all of the stuff is just like it. there are aspects as much as i kinda lamented. Come back to the office. There are aspects of this podcast in our friendship. That is better in person and to kind of pull back the curtains on podcast a little bit. Jeff you've done such a tremendous job this year really looking back just driving the boat you took over. I think i had a lot more stuff to do with The kid at home and refer to with two kids at home and all of the craziness and you edited just about every episode this year. And you got all of the many wonderful guests that we had and you've really stayed on top of it and i'm really looking forward to resting that control back from you. You bastard want us to go down. I i wanted to go back to normal. I was running the ship. I i would imagine our listeners. Think the same so you guys both have been so much work this year. That's changed from the last couple years extra work and It's really I can't wait to help out a lot more when things get back to normal. I'm just outside. I'm legitimately just excited for the post recording half hour sort of sessions. You know just sort of finishing up our during our our cashews or whatever mouth. Drying snacks jeff has provided us. And just kinda just hanging out. I know this is the part of the you know partially this. Podcast is kind of hang out. And that's the part of the reason why we do. It is because we get to hang out with each other but there's just something different about being done with the episode. Just being able to just kind of be asked for a half hour agreed agreed. Okay so Richard that's your second also. Is that correct correct. Oh so does michael roll into his third or michael roles second will grow. I'll go back to back in. Basically them flip. I can get my second and my second might seem a little banal but it just going to the library mostly because of Because of felix but it we didn't realize how often we would take that stroll we we live within like a ten twelve minute walk to our local library so just throwing the kid in the stroller and walking down there maybe every other week and you know checking out a dozen books at a time and just the whole process has always was always so delightful and such an app. It's funny you know the things that are these big absences because of covid the dining out in restaurants the going to movie theaters. All of that stuff is important and fun and seeing you guys and seeing friends and seeing family. But there's just this little this little thing that like one of the things that we've missed the most is just the frigging library and it's just. It's walking in knowing where everything is watching. The kid go bananas. Doing god knows what climbing on things and pulling books off the shelf sitting down different aisles. And it's just it's this towel. It was just part of art in a weekly life and you know i am sure the kid to is just getting bored with the same books and all these. You know this kid be bouncing off the walls. It's like okay let's read. Let's read this other book again and it's just like it's a great It's a great thing. Support your local public library. Everybody that's a funny boy. That's a funny thing is because it is free of charge. Is that why. Because it's not know you'd think of going out to mansi. Restaurants are misspending. doing this. Consumer thing is the library was free. Is that why you didn't expect to miss it. I think that also you know. I didn't really go to the library prior to having child. I mean i'd been before obviously but like i was like i didn't go and check out books regularly. I you know whatever books. I had order from amazon. Or you know get digitally or whatever but like going to. The library became such a such a just an aspect of our weekly life with child and at times it was because it was something very at times it was a place that was an addition to In the summer you walk ten minutes over sometime go to the local diner than afterwards. Go to the library. Then hit up the park and man that is you just knocked out three things for the kid for the day the diner the park in the library and your home. And you're like okay. That was an outing. I can hang out now. The the free from it being free definitely helps yeah I was a a did a craigslist deal today and he wanted to meet at the parking lot of the ymca across from north hollywood park. And just you know you can see the north hollywood diner from there and it was just kind of a nostalgia. Bomb just went off. Because i like to every two and and seeing the kids section of a library reminds me of how much that was a one that was like disneyland for a little kid. You go in there and colorful and there's always kids to see story. The walls covered in stories That's so cool. At one end when ohio to is huge it's a big hit section which helps it's separated from the other people trying to read or be quiet and it's you know kind of allowed you a little bit of space for the kids to do kid thing yeah unfortunately i mean it's always a good reminder read learn get an education. Did you see those five people passed out on the sidewalk. We walked here nor for anybody watching watching pornography on the internet. Better learn some stuff. Okay alright we are at halftime and We're going to invite you to be optimistic with us. And we shall with us. And i think those things like the manifest out there in the new year. And it's one of those is making the rushmore podcasts at sounding board for your wacky crazy ideas and opinions. Please do that. We would love to hear from you. in regards to what topics you might want us to discuss. And then you could even end up on the show. Previous people as happened to them. It doesn't have to but it might so You can also go back and download rate review past episodes and give us an earful. Let us know on twitter. Instagram facebook. What you think about this steps what we miss in terms of our opinions shared their so that will be and then You know a new year's resolution Shared the five gas with many more people and let them know about this conversation that we have here. We do it every week every thursday. And we're going to keep on doing it now. We are back in richardson. A sheriff's third thing. My third thing is not having to care so much about politics. I'm really looking forward to this. Twenty two wow. Yeah i'm looking for. I really looking forward to kind of having the presidency be normalized and knowing that we have a competent person in their not competent. Just you know a normal person in there. That i don't have to. I think this cats. I think this is on this. Technically is on my list as not thinking about donald trump in any significant way for a long time. So right there with you. yeah. I think it's it's it's too piece of the pot on that one because you just wake up every morning and you'd i go like i would have a washington post subscription and i would wake up and there'd be two breaking news alerts about some dumb bullshit the donald trump did or that the You know just some some moronic headline and he had and then the rest of the day was like god. Is this going to be the thing that takes democracy because he had the stupid tweet or whatever it happened to be and it's just it's just wearying after a while and it'll be nice to just get back to a normal sort of flow of politics where things aren't as chaotic on a daily basis. Yeah you know i. I'm not expecting a lot to happen in. Twenty twenty one politically. Just because i don't think the democrats are gonna take control of the senate In i i know the georgia elections possibility. But i don't think that's going to happen. And i think it's going to be a lot of sort of incremental changes one way or the other and after eight after four years of of trump. I'm kind of okay with just lots of slow. Incremental changes That's fine yeah do you that. That is profoundly interesting thing. There was a guy who used the presidency as this twenty four seven platform for his ego and disruptive personality and and narcissism and and it it was like a show kind of wish they weren't so many episodes of the show. I don't i don't want to binge the president every day anti anti binging binge mode. Yeah the the the least enjoyable thing you can possibly think of. I think yeah go ahead. No it's just gonna say. I think it's just this element of i don't need politics to be exciting politics. Used to not be exciting or something. I sort of you know i followed. I was interested in it but there wasn't the possibility of of just chaos breaking out any possible minute any moment like i said it's just stressful. And they're just make low stress political year. I just wanna television without the high speed car chases. Every i think there's yeah. Yeah i think that this the last four years have shown us how important it is to like mobilize be aware and to you know to I was going to save riot. But i don't mean riot. I mean to to protest and to stand up for what you believe in. But it's also showed me that. I really want that life. That you're talking about richard up going back to not caring as much knowing as much and being like i'm i can't wait to forget the names of all of the horrible people that were a part of his cabinet and you know all of these rich assholes. I can't just have the door close on them. And can't you know will be delighted if i see a name. One day that they're arrested for something or in jail or being prosecuted for something like. Oh yeah i remember that name vaguely. This is a cast of characters. I i want to be just swept away. I don't i. Don't i don't wanna know i'm being cursed with the knowledge of like these horrible people and i'm good with them. Sleepy joe sleepy. Joe just settled getting stuff done but but not talking about it so much. In a way the pardons are kind of a there. They irk me to my core yet. And i don't think they're going to be necessarily get out of jail free for everybody involved but were were any of these people ever going to really go to jail. No they're gonna find in if so what's for that person. They're never going to give back the money they stole than never gonna go to an actual prison. It's going to be a camp cupcake. It's gonna be resort somewhere. I told emily exactly that. Like that. You know always people getting pardon at scandalous. But i don't i just don't care that much. Yeah yeah okay all right. your Your third like no. That's your third. isn't it yeah so my last one my last one it's very l. a. Based but i the thing. I'm looking to the most things. It's just rain in la this next year and he rain just the small. I want i don't want the this. I want the large demonstrate. I wanted to rain for three months. has been so dry and desolate in unending in the wet and it could be just. I'm used to being stuck inside already. So i'm i'm good with that this last year. I i just want to be a real reason for it. But one of the things that it's you know like covert is denied us. Personal interactions but La does this thing where it just denies you a difference in weather. And i'm just. I just love it to rain and it's gonna rain. What tomorrow tonight. Maybe even just feels and it feels like the first The first washing away of the old year and anton washing the new year. Where some just a nice torrent of rain. Please please thank. You seem like a the travis. Bickel some real rain will wash away the scum. Yeah did you hear. I remember hearing that i in i think is on the clash. Combat record straight to hell. Something has vote from taxi driver in it and then hearing it. Taxi driver Okay richard. Richie final words by final traces of things. I'm looking forward to in the new year Traveling as getting out and go in places You know we were supposed to go to madrid in april obviously badly. Obviously that didn't happen and fortunately it wasn't a few weeks earlier that we are scheduled to travel because then we would have had a real you know. Do we go. We knocked situation But you know it was. Unfortunately we had to cancel everything obviously get refunds and there was a kind of a pain but more than anything else. It was just disappointing to have this trip that we had booked like six months in advance and we are starting to get really excited for it. We had our airbnb booked. Can everything any. Oh the year before as a family we had gone austrailia and hatches this fantastic time and made us realize that even with two kids you can still pull off international travel and give the give your kids. This really remarkable experience. That certainly not anything. I ever got. I mean my big family trips. Were like to reno where. I mainly got to stay in a hotel room and get room service. That was my big treat while my parents went downstairs and hit the slot machines. You know the most of the night. So that's slightly less Glamorous than melbourne. Australia madrid spain. And i'm just looking forward to that you know i. I love travel even if it's local travel even if it's just getting out and exploring los angeles exploring the southern california area you know when the almost or just or even other places in the us you know. We went out to literally the week before. Covid really went from a problem to a all caps. Problem We were in chicago for trivia tournament. That we do every year and we brought the kids long and got to see the museums and has fantastic time. And we're supposed to be in austin texas this year and austin's one of my favorite cities i've ever visited sir really looking forward to taking the family to that and that's got taken away and i don't know how much travel we're going to get to do. Twenty twenty one. I don't know what travel is going to like next year. I don't know if it's going to be the same as we have anticipated but will at least be able to get out of the house. Yeah i feel confident. I feel confident. That's going to happen at least will be able to explore our region. Yeah you know. Maybe that'll be the The silver lining in. It will get to know more about los angeles and southern california than we did. Do you have any concerns. About whatever paranoia will be in place when you're wondering who who is vaccinated. Who isn't what's for sure you know she's like after nine eleven. I remember traveling and everything was You know we're going. There was a nine eleven surcharge. And every hotel you're with two and due to the recent events this is happening that's happening such belt related to the actual Downturn impact travel. Some seem totally unrelated like it was kind of a fiction. That was created paranoia. But there's going to be something crazy. I can't even think of right now. A culture change in regards to this new half have nots almost from a dystopia film or something. Well that's interesting. I think that you know traveling. When you're traveling. I i would imagine that even when travel is back to being somewhat sized people are going to be wearing masks and you know they may not have completely full flights so air plane. Tickets may be more expensive than you were used to. And i think there's there's going to be changes to it but it'll be something. I love travel. I basically feel like that. I work to be able to travel. And you know even in this year where we bought a house in kennedy were more domesticated than ever before. I'm still thinking about travel a lot and just just missing that. Yeah well dude at seems like it's it and so i to say due to the The symbol between some of those choices. I'm definitely have to say that During the guest person is one that i feel very much in sync with them so fun to just kind of sit across each other and dura. dorothy person and see each other and just kind of be able to see. Hopefully we will be able to recognize the Body language things that would probably picked up. When we've been doing this separately. Like i rolling in and just doing the twirling the finger around against the temple. The jones jack the jack off symbol with your hand. Yeah yeah when. I try to drop some analysis on the Hopefully those things won't be so pronounced But yeah definitely podcasts in person. so that's going up on the rushmore not thinking about politics slash That guy to be president and the since it's so atmospheric a really dig the reigning exciting. Yeah and and also because it does seem like the anima that we're all waiting for and And then because just. Because i imagine you walking around the big coffee mug and you know Your tie and shirt getting to your co-worker spritz your weight can't wait. I can't wait for them to meet you and go. Who the heck is this guy. Where's he been all my life. I'm so glad we get to meet this guy. You know what. We should start a kickball team. Yeah we should. Oh yeah so yeah so. That's it So Guys thanks for spending the year with me oppression. I needed this. Yeah this looks good this has been the Radna pleasure two thousand. Twenty mount rushmore. Podcast i always. I'm do richard guys. Were fallen upon. Michael falling apart was real buffer.

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 7/23/20--Guest Kenny Peck

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 7/23/20--Guest Kenny Peck

"Narrow. Maximum security has been defeated king for a day. This is the Jason Beam racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, your daily home for Horse Racing News Interviews, wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason Be. Iran a good Thursday morning the are welcome in the Jason. Horse podcast brought to you by twin spires. We're here with you five days a week. This is day four out of five of this weekend. That means it's horse player. Thursday very excited to welcome in Kenny Peck from the daily racing form. We'll talk. Some monmouth will talk handicap, and we'll talk Kenny's life and racing, and much much more coming up on today's show looking forward to that conversation here in just a little bit. The jury is going to be back tomorrow. We did this topic with the old jury. But it's about superstitions betting superstitions. Do you have? To the guys have any superstitions. We'll talk about that. You can always let me know your answers to our jury questions each week by Email Jason Charles Beam at g mail. Dot Com I've got. I've got this song stuck in my head. That Pete, Townsend saw it was in a bunch of movies like in the nineties and two thousands, but it was like a soft the lead. Open the door Doodoo Doodoo Lamelo up in the I heard it just it was the last. I heard in the car after I went got lunch. And now it's just been. Circling around my brain I've been obsessed I. It's for me I. I think most people like music. Right like I always think it's funny when people are like oh I really love music. You love music. Wow. Who Are you? You strange person that likes music, but I know some people have different levels of passion about music and. I'm someone who plays an instrument so I. I get fascinated by the technical side of music, and but also just the emotional side of it right like you get these connects to connect titties, connections to certain bands or artists, or whatever I was talking with my friend Jessica Pikit yesterday about that. You know just. There's this new record called Hollywood park, and it's by the airborne toxic. Toxic event I think the the band I honestly never heard of until the song and the only reason I listened to the saw I was because it was about Hollywood park and I remember listening to it a month or so ago or two months when it came out just to that song, and was like Oh that was good. Okay, whatever so when I was driving cross country. I would say about Missouri I was like. You know I've been listening to Howard Stern I've been listening to you know. My regular songs that I got on my shuffle I listened to some albums and full albums, and like Oh, I need some new music. Let's try this one. Every song on this album was so good like if you're a rock, alternative person I recommend checking it out I mean there's some awesome awesome, so and like I said I'd never heard of this band until. The tell the Hollywood park song came out, and that's the guy's Dad. I guess was a regular Hollywood park and so he kind of wrote about that being their place in his memories there and stuff like that, and you know I've Been Hollow Park Few Times I got my own memories of that, but. Yet just. I mean. There's one song on it I think it's like everything. I love is broken or something, and that one just hits me. Right Square in the fat gut like. Me Right Square in the gut, so there's a little tune recommendation for you actually started reading a new book to this week. Call Bear town about a Swedish junior hockey team. In a small town, but A bad crime happens. Around that team and You know tension and things in so there you go, and it's good so far, but I haven't i. haven't read a book and a while I always been an avid reader, but I just I got way into into youtube like. Learn video eddings. All my spare time was spent like learning photography and video editing and. Walked around. Richmond yesterday took some video. But I. Haven't read a book in a while and I like to read, let's. Let's do that. Let's talk about some some racing stuff A. Yesterday. Of course, we talked a little bit about the Saratoga Wednesday card and cross-border, the big favourite one. The any horse I liked won the race. I felt good about mentioned that on the show I was good to have a winner even if it's. NOT THE BIGGEST PRICE! I can't Cro- about I told my buddy I said I said I want because I told him about it. They really think this is GonNa win today and I. You might go I can't. I can't boom or crow, because it was just a two one shot, but just not I want to. Couple news things so entries are out for the del Mar Saturday card as well as the Friday card and I saw some actual good fields. If you notice that these first cards back from these little layoffs are always loaded with tens and twelve. Maybe California we talked a lot with Billy Koch about California struggle. Maybe they just need to run like you know every other week or something. I don't want to plant that seed, but you know what I'm saying. I mean tens and twelve's in all sorts of good stuff, but maximum securities race. The San Diego came up with just six and an interesting six, I mean higher power mid-quarter kind of the regular. Lower Handicap horses at this point for that track in that area. Able to do onboard. He's GonNa have to carry one hundred twenty seven pounds, but he's only going on my oldest sixteenth I keep having these. Flashbacks of arrogate and the San Diego and I need to remember that they're two different horses, because like parties like well, he's just never going to run good at del Mar, and this and that he's going to be I mean God. What's what's the price going to be? I mean it's not like he's running against complete meatballs, and there is obviously some question marks. And so you know everybody's kind of thinking well, okay is was the horse only good because service had it and was using. Medications and stuff enhancements. Is, a baffert obviously just got ding for something. I don't know that it was an enhancer kind of thing, but. It was the light a cane which is a numbing agent. It was you know they. They ruled a small dose or whatever in it, but I think baffert's actually like peeling it now though he said he was gonNA take But The the main point is far looking forward to this race. Is What the Hell's going to happen like I'm just completely fascinated and excited for this race. It doesn't go off until. Nine thirty eastern time, so I'm, GONNA be watching it here in bed on on Saturday night we had our interests come out for colonial for opening days. I've been staring at that for the last hour like. Learn these horses couple of fourteen thirteen twelve big field, so I'm excited for that, but. Yeah I'm just I'm fascinated by what's going to happen. Because as I said the other day like billy was saying he's GonNa win. He's GONNA! Win I've seen him. He's working dented and. Can't imagine it's going to send out a horse unless you know especially with this. Kinda like added pressure, right? We've talked about that with Derby horses. Like the minute. A couple of them started did not win after the Derby like they send them around for retirement whether they're stutter, not even mine that bird Kinda at once a couple of bad starts off he was. He was to retirement and you don't. You don't want to tarnish that. That derby reputation even though really. MEAN TO WIN! The Derby you have to be the best horse on a given day usually that days the first Saturday in May of course this year. It's a little different, but. I don't know why should carry that kind of panache. To with a horse his whole career, but it's but when you when you make the race that big of a deal on it is that big of a deal I suppose that it's it's bound to have that added weight, and that's just a part of the deal and I would think that most connections are more than happy to bear that weight, because it means that they won the Kentucky Derby, so we will talk more about this. Tomorrow of the. San Clemente part of that car that turned out pretty interesting eleven horses in there There's another stake on that card. What am I forgetting? What am I forget? Maybe. It's after the San Diego and I'm scrolling. The wrong way probably is. No just an allowance All right, maybe not, but anyway so we'll talk more about the entries just came out a little bit ago and so so I haven't had oh the smiling tiger. It's race to earlier on, and then we'll talk a little Toga. Of course, the vanderbilt coming up this weekend sprint race. Small but mighty field for sure in the Vanderbilt, so we'll talk about all of that tomorrow on our weekend preview along with our our buddies from the jury. Who will join us? I did see article came out about Velazquez over Canterbury, using or getting caught with the buzzer. It was in his car along with a gun. and. You know he's a top guy over there I think he's third in the standing there in the Jackie. Standing Right now with twenty wins from ninety mounts. It says he was suspended by summer summer summer in Italy you guys know that word southerly. For. Prohibited electrical device in a firearm discovered a vehicle search which I gotta think means. Somebody snitched on him right like. But. Here's the thing on this. And this goes with the trainers and I kind of went off about this the other week like. You know in Horse Racing Sports when you cheat. Whether it's performance enhancing drug whether it's a corked bat whether it's I'm just thinking of baseball examples because they seem to have the most. Whether IT'S A. Point shaving in in a in a college basketball game. Whenever if you cheat and other sports? You who's hurt by it physically? Usually nobody unless you know you get your knees broken by book or something. But horse racing when you're cheat, you're literally being cruel to animals. So, Our tolerance of cheating has or of any kind of this crap needs to be completely gone like it's just if anybody's caught with any kind of. Obvious cheating like this and like I said it was in his car. Who knows may I'm sure the excuse will be like? Oh you know. We use it in the mornings for training or whatever? You know even though obviously. Why would you use it in the morning and then not in the afternoon if it works but. They did say that animal cruelty charges may come into play and they need to like. We can't have in this kind of crap and. I mean it goes back to Roman Chapa a few years ago and obviously. There's a long list of folks that have done this, but. You know we're. We're not exactly. In the greatest spots it as a sport and one of the reasons because that you know, we always talk about the the bedding stuff, and the just the shape of the the game, a wagering proposition, but we also need to continually be aware that like you know. A major circuit was almost shut down. And actually was shut down for a month. And Los algis literally had an appeal about getting shut down. Like we cannot have this kind of stuff and. That needs to become a cultural thing by the way it needs to be a oh. Let's not get caught. It needs to be like we cannot even do this kind of stuff, but you know when there's money on the line. People are going to try to take advantage. I mean it's happened in every industry in the history of the world. But for our particular industry it just. Can't happen because it involves animal cruelty. And Abuse of animals and people are not going to go for that and they shouldn't. We shouldn't go for that I mean God. So. Mr Velazquez he deserves a right to a hearing and any kind of trial and all that of stuff, but if he's using those things on horses, he's got to be gone, so no, no five years nothing Gonzo. That means gone. Let's take a short time out. Let's get to Kenny Pex I'm looking forward to having this conversation. I think you guys enjoy it. We had a lot of fun. Talk, Jersey, talking Monmouth, talking all sorts stuff. I think we've talked a unbeatable records for for five minutes. That's fun conversation so all. That's coming up right here on a Thursday. Horse play Thursday edition of the Jason Beam Horse Racing podcast. 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Twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what offers are available to you or back here on the Jason Be Morse racing podcast brought to you by twin spires, a police to welcome in our next guest handicapper for the daily racing form currently covering the New Jersey. Circuit but covering monmouth Park very pleased to welcome in Kenny Peck to the show Kenny. How are you? Jason How are you? There was once a New Jersey circuit right. Yeah once was yes. Meadowlands, even going far back as garden state at one point in the nineties, but right now we're just downs, a mom, so You know it's. It's a strange year for everybody, but this year is Is especially strange and in Jersey. We have a very short season trying to make the best of. Yeah Haskell weekend and the books and I WANNA start with that, because the last two has schools are for different reasons very unique experiences, weren't they? Yeah, well this year, especially, obviously with seventy minutes going on Jersey with the with restrictions on crowd and everything else, but I have to say those guys mom. That really did a good job making this work There's a lot of uncertainty in the beginning of the week when it came to the. The attendance and the CAP and how he's GonNa do it a lot of grumbling, but young Stan that their position from the guys I've spoken to there is that we're just happy to have racing and and the fact that they were able to put on such great card. The handles was what it was. I mean you have to give them? A lot of credit. Yeah I thought the UNDERCARD was actually better than we'd seen in the last few years. The undercard was great last weekend. It really was excellent overall card. It really wasn't you know early on racist, little cheap, but that's always the case where we'd have those types of races when you put fourteen races. You're going to have a couple of races like that. The back have car was tremendous, really competitive racing, real bendable races and I think that's why the handle was what it was John Haimes. He'll thirteen or fourteen at you once in a while. You certainly with. The Way? The way I looked at. It was though they balanced it out with the short Friday card so for a day. Money guy like us for me. Frank, it ends up being okay. Yeah? You know I complain to John About the. You don't Friday six races, but you know it seems to be well received that they found little Benicia on. Friday night to put those six races in their twilight time. Yeah, we were actually talking about that before we came on air about their everybody's kind of shifted schedules around and Friday afternoon evening is kind of this weird little quiet time I mean there was a point I think it was one or two Fridays ago where it was like Louisiana downs had had everything for themselves as far as thoroughbreds for like an hour, it was crazy. Yeah, it's funny how the schedules change with talked earlier about the. On Mondays now and I think as sorts itself out wall. It'll be figured out, but right now. Friday There's a just a whole on Friday for for racing I. Think Somebody's GonNa so. Can you pick joining us here on the program? So let's talk about the Haskell race itself as a whole I felt like it was an uninteresting race that got really interesting for the last fifty yards. Really did, didn't it? In New York traffic I thought I actually thought it got there, and when I was watching it live Obviously authentic ran brand big to win race, and as a favorite of course and your traffic is. It was a big surprise to me. At least I thought maybe regressed a little bit off that last race. I picked Dr Post thinking that we'd have more of a of Dul Upfront. An faster can contentious base. And I. Think if you talk to anybody handicap the race for four and of course betting race if you told them that that. Authentic would shake loose with absolutely no pressure through twenty three and three quarter. You know forty seven and changes Dick was the. Led the took back angel. Warriors backwards ancient warriors the horse that really surprised me with tactics that Kinda like gave the race authentic on lead, and the fact that you traffic made so close as a testament to him I'm maybe I'm a little bit the hooked on the host. Now that they picked them right, but Dr Post ran really well, I mean the to track was favoring speed to some extent. The race favorite speeds and Dr Pos. Coloradans racy didn't Belmont when he made that. Move wide move onto turn. And I I'd like to see him. Be maybe saved some grounded, make around with the right type of race flow and set up, and I think you can. You can definitely move forward. Yeah. I wanted to talk about Dr Post because it seemed like he was kinda getting pushed along there about the half-mile Pole, not really responding and it seemed like once he did get outside. He started making up some more ground. Ground and I was starting to think maybe he's one of those horses that just doesn't like being on the inside, but again I I agree with you I. Don't know that it was a race that was just screaming for a horse to come from that far off, especially to have to kind of chase the Baffert, but then with what New York traffic did kind of come back at the end and almost. It makes me wonder if maybe post didn't fire as much as I thought, he did initially. Also through speed exactly the MONMOUTH. There's no surprise. Obviously you know you know. Speed speed's has inherit edge mamas, and especially, when it's real hot, and that's that's probably the most prevalent bias. that mom is that outside speeds I call it bias where it's not really the horse on the rail, but it's like to pat speed when it gets real, hot and humid for an extended period of time. That's what we mostly see here and I think you know. There's a couple of operations and especially the long shot early on the card that came from up way off the pace Lights down low getting from back and wide, but otherwise it was attract that you know our our usual. Summer! Speed bias so I'd like to give Dr Post. You know a pass on that, and also you know as a guy who's looking value and a guy who was looking for. looks at trips and race. Well I'm knocking authentic a bit and New York traffic computers. They would squeeze the race, but you have to give them credit than he. Thought it was very game to get his head down there. Yeah I mean it was. It was just strange because I remember at the top of the stretch it. Somebody said that frank kind of thought like the race I thought for purposes was was completely overturned for home, and he looked like he was just. And then suddenly he wasn't. I know that after the race baffert kind of talked about. At Bleaker, he was saying it was more a matter focus than the horse getting tired in the ninth furlong. Yeah. That's what Mike Smith said soon and it's probably some some merit to that and It's hard to say, but I mean like everybody's saying I think they're probably right. It doesn't really bode well for him. Getting extra distance and the Derby the way this race was run given that he had the loosely on a track that was at least marginally favorable speed the fact that almost got the traffic. You know a lot of people are gonNA. Knock that effort, obviously Baffert what was that it was that his nights haskell. It's something crazy, isn't it? Yeah Yeah, Haskell's which you know, one of those records and I two Grand Slams one inning. They'll never be Fernando. Yes, I always quote. That is the because everybody's Oh Joe Dimaggio. But. Fernando tatty says the one that's never going to get broken. Absolutely can never possibly be broke. Get some opportunity. Yeah, yeah, exactly the fact. Finding Avenue again I remember. Pete rose US come out to river downs a lot, so I got the the pleasure to sit with him a few different times while we were firing away. Mountaineer and stuff and I remember asking him kind of that same question about because he got I, think he got the closest to Dimaggio the hitting streak and he looked. He goes all you gotTA. Do is get hot for a month and a half. I spent some time with Pete Rose in Vegas once I was walking past an autograph signing you happen to have an extra form with me, so I went up to him and I said as a forum for tomorrow and guys who try to keep me away like I was trying to get autographs and I'm just trying to get my formula. He's like We start talking. Tell them handicap the form we start talking about horses. And I said to my wife was standing. What are we GONNA go and I'm like yeah, give me a minute, so it's like a half hour. I said later on whoever thought I'd be in the conversation Pete rose it. I'm trying to get. Away going on, but he he's a big fan racing. I two of my favorite racing stories one. I can't tell on the air, but but. I have been with him. Play play in the races over in Cincinnati like he would show up with the lunch sack, full of like thirty or forty thousand in cash, and my buddy, Arnie who's Equa based guy who, for years used to work with the reds, like already still goes, and makes his bets and I think that aren't used to make the vets that. Pete wasn't supposed to be baking baseball. But they're. They're best friends and. He he just betsy five hundred to win three hundred dollar straight exact as pretty Chaki and that stuff, but the all time one of my favorites was sitting with him, and his girlfriend and Arnie in the river down sportsbook after the races, and his phone starts vibrate in the center of the desk and I can see it says a Rod, and my and I just. Just seen there was a special like over the summer that they had done espn about how Pete Nee rod struck up a friendship, and this was just before their Fox, working together, and so pete opens it up. He looks at thumbs a text back to them. And already. What did he say? He goes told me is Oh for his last fourteen any advice. Would you tell told the truth? I've never been over fourteen. He's kind the king of the one liners like that like you know he's. He's got a million. Probably probably telling the truth. I never was or I mean I thought that was just. statically. Response like what do I do? For Fourteen. I go back to Haskell. Day I was excited to see Corologis. Get back into the winners circle. I know she had Jersey connected owners I didn't know there was a lot of trainer. Changing I can't remember if there was any owner changing God. She loves MONMOUTH. Yeah, she's I think she's five for five now. Is that right now and sees? Come up that last race pet step and pulled up I was kinda thinking like I was very happy to see her back and run well there. ended up picking a third day during a bunch of A. Bunch of exotics and stuff you know. She's perfectly spotted by Bravo and really ran well really to see. Let's say you talked a little bit about the dirt track at Monmouth and one of my favorite things about going back there was getting to be friends with Brad Thomas hearing his opinions on track trends, and really honestly everything about racing at Monmouth, but do you have kind of guiding principles for for both those two tracks because the turf? It seems like it changes a little bit as the rail goes in and out. It does yeah, the real. The real placement is a big deal when it comes to favoring speed, and and not but the There's also a weather factor sometimes there with with real hot summer. When you get a extended period dry weather, you can see biases develop on the turf if you watching the closing price really. Reds and two pats on the path horses horse. Yeah and you know. Brad! Brad has a tremendous way about him. In terms of handicapping and and I think what is is successful is it is unique in that? He looks for things that can put look for one of the things is passed. One of these is running style. How horse horses move with their built for in terms of confirmation and he's a real like he's a guy. He's a source at Monmouth Park that that I think is underrated like I. Don't know what you thought of before you came to Mama's but Brad is one of those guys nationally news. Is probably the best of what he does. National Yeah I. I I had a high opinion of him just because I would I thought he often talked while, but the more I got to know and see the work he does. And then my favorite thing was when we would go to the meadowlands. I was right home and I remember I. Remember Frank called me goes look. There's one little thing you got to do with the meadowlands. You gotTA give Brad Ride. The. Train station I said I could do that and what it ended up being was I got an hour to talk with him, and we'd talk racing sometimes and not. Just a very sweet guy, and I think I love that he is, he is always looking to be a little bit of a contrarian and the best thing I saw him do was somebody came up and has oprah who's your best bet did eight. He goes well I. Don't know I haven't seen the odds yet. And the guy thought he was brushed him off in a reality was given him the best possible answer because you know the real fact of it is that the price is going to dictate a lot more of your opinion, the race. Branches straight up, giving us his opinion what he thinks he's not going to sugarcoat anything, and he's always nice everybody, of course. Yeah, but you know those Tuesdays with Morrie. With Brad in the car. Pro. I'm I'm curious. To hear what you is this your first trip to mom Z. when you got the job. My first day was my first day announce. It was my first day of racing at Monmouth Yep. And what are your thoughts? Jersey before you got here and then did they change when she got one hundred percent I was expecting I was expecting everything Jersey to be like what I had seen on TV of Newark. like I thought I surprised that. Yeah, that was my that was what I knew about New Jersey. And then that other stupid MTV, show and so. I remember when I got there. Larry told me he said it's going to be one way from opening day until Memorial Day. He goes, and then you're GONNA get a lot more people that start showing up on the weekends he goes, and then when school's out, forget about it like the whole thing is just is completely different. And then it was so funny because I came back in the fall, and it was amazing how quiet the area was around there but I mean it was. It was not what I was expecting for a lot of reasons. I mean even the drive up from from Philly. I just didn't realize how rural it all is and and beautiful. I thought it was the only thing I didn't like was tolls and you can't make a left turn which is stupid. I'M GONNA work on it. Brad got a lot of. But I actually just talked to Brad yesterday where he's trying to problem with peas, and getting straightened out and and. I. Don't think you mind me saying this that He actually dropped an F bomb. And then you know when he drops f-bomb, he's really. Angry as to deal with that immediately. I was at the beach and I dropped everything. There's I got to straighten this out. Breads really upset. Can Effect joining us here on the program. Of course, the big off-season story with Monmouth ties was the service devour event which they played massive roles at Monmouth in recent years. And do you think they're? Absence has kind of made the product a little more interesting to to bet on? Because as an outsider, you would think it would because there was a number of races each day where it was like you had to try to beat their one to five shot a lot of time she couldn't. There's no question about that I mean. The whole product is changed in that you know we now. We have so many more competitive races than we had in the past And people you know they'll nobody's hiding. If you know blatantly say trainers to say. Is Like I have a chance to win there and you know as a guy who bets against favorites. I it wasn't great for me. If these guys are winning seventy percent of the reasons that is on. So, it was very tough to find value, and I think what happens. Is People rather than you know? Keep banging their head against the wall. They just finally just walk away and they don't bet it. And I think they saw a lot of that so I think. Yes, no, there's no doubt about it that this is a changed product and probably definitely better betting products than we had the second. It seemed like the second race of the day was always a dirt sprint were one of those two. The sixers field. One of those guys will be the one to five. Listen I don't know I haven't spoken to anybody. Mom about it, but I'm sure there's. Some relief! Better word than relief that this is This is happening, because obviously, it's much better for the game for for the track itself from several. Different Fronts Katy joining us. To ask first time guests how they kind of got into horse racing. Oh, man, well. My father used to take into track when I was a kid was. My first time seven years old in nineteen, seventy four and fell in love with it and When my dad's was redundant, hoboken police force, and then a grew all the way back when it's hard to believe now, but growing up in hoboken there was a bus from the town to the meadowlands. Actually it was a couple that used to go and pulling on his bus, and it was like thirty buses up from all these different towns they used to go every night the track and then it will come back those three freedom coming back like one after the fifth race for the guys who busted out and then. Seven twenty nine and I always took the first one back only because I busted up because I was like fifteen years old I had a curse you out of your home, but it started there, and then college I was a finance major, but I always loved to wish racing and I got to be the sports editor of the newspaper in College and. I was writing about horse racing in my column that these kids in care about horse racing maybe clips. Clips out after college. They sent them off the floor and got a job with funds over there, and that's how I started. You know it was one of the interesting things about going to meadowlands talking to Brad and like Joe Montana and those guys like it seems like the eighties and nineties at meadowlands, just crazy slash awesome time. The eighties were it was intoxicating. They talk about it like it's another world like. I. You know I. Because I was a kid year round style the? This the action was in the smell. The News I. Just remember all and it was. You couldn't get a seat at at the restaurant and my dad used to have connections, the COP and hoboken so everybody would call him. You couldn't get a table on Thursday nights in the. Or on a dining room, it was eighteen thousand people all the time and it just the action was really it was just intoxicating, and and it's a big reason why I stayed involved and interested. It's it's hard to talk to. Replicate that somewhere else. I don't know I. Guess it was the nighttime signal. The amount of people whatever it was perfect storm, it was just. It's amazing racing to. Did you. Did you have some handicapping and betting commentors? Mentors coming up? You know what I went to fix form. I ever worked with the Hammons and Ed Fontaine and the guy named Jim Control. Some still dear friends with WHO's excellent handicapper And then you know. He meant Brad and Brad's a lot obviously, too, but you know. As far as handicap and goes probably those guys. I was looked up to Steve Chris of course and they got to work with him at racing times but just generally the same pretty much. The same guys that the a lot of people grew up in Jersey. Reading and and talking to, but I got to know them on a personal level and from those guys. You talked about you. Know trying to be favorites. Look for prices and I think as a as a print handicapper. You have a reputation of of somebody who will go for not just fifteen to one shots, but forty fifty to one side shot sometimes but. Talked about looking for things you know excuses and forgiveness. I. Mean That's a big part that comes along with trying to find value right? You have to be able to forgive bad efforts. Yeah you do that, but the other problem with it. Is that you long time between drinks I'm in this game making money. It's the same thing as betting as far as handicap and it's windfalls. I mean you know so my win percentages probably like twenty two percent and the paper but I'm trying to find those horses that provide value. People are paying a lot of money for the paper, and my approach is that they don't need me to tell him that. The two to five shots the most likely winner. Yeah, and I'm there I should be able to say like term. That's the wrong way. You know so. I'm looking for that. And I'm looking for looking for horses. That may not. Win The race, but probably the best. Bet the race. Okay, so especially with the topic because people seem to only care about the topic I I it kills me when I have a favorite picked on top of my second choice wins pace forty dollars. That's one thing. I tried to what so so I I learned a long time ago to put that horse on top and in a long time much better off I. Think people appreciate. Somebody used the doesn't win, but runs well. Appreciate them to use that horse because you put him on top, and and I think people react to that, and that's why I had that reputation of having a Lotta of long shots on top, not just a matter of putting them on top as opposed to putting second and third surly. Does that a little bit too like I'll notice a lot of favorite till put second, even if they're of the logical look like they're going to win types and. Also I. Think gives them a little bit of a you know. Hey. I had a second I knew he added shot. It's just. You gotta go for. The nobody seems to respect. They don't respect you. Put Second. He's one of those on top like very much like a zero sum game gavitt on top ten thirty. One thing is a print handicapper to you obviously have a deadline that has to be in before the racism. Even on track guys now at least seem to have some flexibility with. Getting off their picks, or they have the TV time to clarify. Hey, look I liked this horse three days ago, but it's been all speed today I'd probably look at so and so. I think that does get frustrating sometimes because I'm sure that you change your mind in the couple of days leading up to a race. Absolutely. Haskell Code I did Wednesday night, and yet to become kind of an amateur Weatherman, a little bit and see what the forecast is I got away from that, though because I was wrong, so many times like I'm writing like this race is GonNa. Come off and you know it's sunny and eighty degrees. So I kind of got away from that, and also I got away from talking about jockeys in the because some off so often. Jockeys are changing the whole thing, so they're trying to. That's the main The main difference between handicapping right before the race. Way Out of the race to me is the weather in the late changes and it is, it is frustrating, but listen this. It's the only way you could possibly do without prince schedule. You have some favorite Jackson in Monmouth history that you got to see ride. That you know when I was a kid, not even a kid, I was working at figs for him and Julie. Krone was just an amazing. I think you know people talk about? She's the best woman writer she was great. Ripe Forget about women. She was just tremendous, and so like generous with her time to people, especially males young kid, and we're talking to phone a few times of interviews and here's somebody you know was had every right to be like. Take a walk it I, know he are, and she talked to me for an hour phone and everybody's story from figs, former or I. Don't think raising times he was fixed for. And but but her ability to Rice just. As a me amazing and it's time to appreciate. It just thought you know. She's very good writer but she was phanom. Chris Anthony was tremendous writer I got to see mom. and I think you'll probably under appreciated for all he's done, and and the way he gets. He puts horses always seems to be. In the right spot you know and and uses horse and I think a keen judge of pace and bias. Joseph big believer I think in the bias in the tuned to what's going on Mama's. He's one of those guys who has in the past mentioned about the The tied tied schedule. How it affects the the biases I haven't bought into that one yet. I think Brad. That's what that's right. A breads alley that kind of stuff, maybe about moon like you know if it's waning cross, people say Oh, I'm sure. Oh my friend, my friend, carly, she looked up. What the moon position was for like a whole bunch of Derby winners and like American Pharaoh. It was different than any of the other ones, and so now her whole thing is like Sh. The next triple crowns come in when it's waiting gibs or whatever? Good anything. But but I never got into the type thing I. Couldn't begin to 'cause I got enough to do I. Mean The beach bitching that close right? Right. The same thing. On the beach I mean when you're up on the roof. They're like you see the hotels that are on the beach and they're not. They're not big when you look. It's like three miles away at least. People. Whatever works right I. Remember last Haskell Day. They were they were talking to. I. Think Dennis sits up at about you know you got to remember these temperatures. We that ocean breeze and I'm sitting outside Diet. Houses Ocean Breezy was. Poor, Oh, my God. Kenny last thing I want to I. Want to do a fun. Put you on the spot thing and you can cop out if you don't want to answer, but let's say there's a big race coming up. Fulfill the twelve your mortgage is. Do you need a winner excluding yourself which Dr of Handicapper, dead or alive working or not? Do you want to make the pick for you? Well, that's an interesting question. And by the way it's not much. It's pretty much true. My mortgage is doing. or Twenty I. Think they'll go dead or alive at the back to be. Yeah. Yeah, that's your well I guess now. I. Think you know I was thinking maybe racing. Bet You've been. kind of the same guys. I'm stalling, but I I A podcast I can cut out all the dead air. It's fine. Oh beautiful all right. Let me think think about this for a second I. Don't WanNa insult anybody. Not. So. I really don't know. I think to pass on all right I. Really don't you can text me like next week and I'll update the listeners. That's a good question. Why because you don't? Go ahead interesting about it. I I was never a guide. Follow anybody's picks. Even when I was younger I, never was a guy. You know I read all the books. Everybody else read devito. It's by all those guys was never a guy to follow. Somebody picks imprint. Just wasn't my thing, I don't really know from from that and it really filed a guys like I work with. I don't know I don't want to Sultan now because they're the reason I ask is because I feel like you guys. At each circuit, especially after a number of years, you know a lot of times. The local I kinda gets either following. You're just so associated ingrained with each track you know when I grew up, it was it was Dennis Dodge. Who was our northwest guy and. Chuck Chuck Dole in the Bay area. Each circuit kind of had their Guy Marcus Hirsch may ramp Alenia basically every track between the West Coast and the east. Coast and you know. The answer okay I. Just thought it, and it's going to shock so I was very from the beginning and kind of like if you go no. We're not cutting anything out now. I THINK WE'VE FLOATED YEAH! I think Chucky Haas who I work with now. Who you know is not the guy that everybody talks about. It doesn't have a certainty covers, but chuck consistently picks. Eight ten twelve one winners on cards and doing five or six cards a day for us, and if you look at the picks, I don't have in front of me. I was see, but the ROI's. You find that chuck. Is. Probably the guy that's most likely to have a positive Roi for giving me could just because of the value horses that he does. Pick and click with. Chuck and if there's one thing I know about new. Jersey you need the price because the property taxes are very high for that mortgage basics. Kenny I really appreciate you taking time for us. Folks want to find on twitter. What do you Dr F, Peck Right. On the Earth package up all right, can you think so much? Thanks Jason. We'll be right back after a short time Addison Jason. horseracing podcast brought to you by twin spires. The Jason, being worst racing podcast brought to you by twin spires. 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It was the second leg. I think it was the secondly. Maybe it was the first link. I could go back and look. There was a forty five one shot to air can't sell who's done. It did seem that the inner paths were were pretty strong there some. Horse that won the finale. Manny petty kind of sat him behind the early Pacesetter, and came off the rail for that one, but it definitely seemed a little bit advantageous to be for the post, but again I feel dirt racing. That's a lot of times. The case I mean I. Don't know that that's some great revelations so. As far as a trend, I guess it's just one of the things you know. You have to kind of pick up and adapt as you get going throughout a card and you try to take into account stuff. Obviously, you want to be a little bit. In catching those things, but by trying to jump the gun, you might also be wrong and ended up in the wrong spot so anyways. We're going to close out this additional program. 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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/6/20--Guest Kenny McPeek

The Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast

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Jason Beem Horse Racing Podcast 5/6/20--Guest Kenny McPeek

"Narrow maximum security has been defeated for. This is the Jason Beam Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires your daily home for Horse Racing News interviews wagering discussions and more. Here's your host Jason. Be around good Wednesday morning. You are. Welcome to the Jason Horse Racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires a proud proud sponsor of the show. Happy but with you here on this may the sixth and look forward to what will be a little bit of a par- up show. I mentioned yesterday. He didn't hear Had some tremendous audio difficulties with with Kenny. Mcpeek during our interview and they all seem to be coming from my end and Kenny was remarkably patient. We had to do like four call. Backs try tried restarting. I tried doing all this stuff and toward the end it started happening again. There's a few spots so I'm GonNa play what I got the interview. It's probably ten minutes but there's a few spots where it Kinda cuts out for. Just a second which is honestly to annoying. But it's annoying but it's not. It's not all that bad but toward the end it got real bad one or two times and I just can't. I'm so sorry I know you're busy guy. And he was very gracious about the whole thing and I still think he had some good things to say about his fantasy stakes winner. From this past week's with skydivers. We'll talk about that race. There was a lot of talk afterwards. You know the big favourite was was a harbor who was well backed and went pretty quick. Upfront and Swiss skydiver. Kenna came to her but then Venetian harbour. Dug in before was skydiver kind of propelled at the end prevailed at the end and. I don't know that there's this thought that you know if the horse would have slowed down a little bit that there would have had more late which is entirely possible. I mean that's you know the fundamentals of pace handicapping our if you know if you go slower earlier able to have more late and if you go faster. Lee sometimes you get worn out late and therefore the closers pick you up. But I don't know that it's necessarily all that true that if a horse ran you know to fifth slower and backed it up just a little instead of maybe running off or You know that would make that much of a difference a mile into a race when it's down to a showdown between two horses. Kinda just gotten it out for the last you know sixteenth eighth of a mile. I mean theoretically it should but I just don't know if that's the case like You know I just feel that. I know there's a lot of things going to a race but I don't know that Venetian harbour slowing down a touch or to make real difference in the end. I know it. I know you want to think that it does and it may have well have but I don't know that it's that. Was that much of a difference between winning and not winning this particular and Venetian harbour is still a very lightly raced horse and she picked up. Some much-needed oaks points and I to think that her connections are you fine with where they're at and where they're heading but so we won't play the Kenny mcpeek interview here in just a few moments. I am going to do another segment of race. I Love I. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand five to Hollywood park. I've talked about this race times because it's an important race to me personally but we'll replay the audio as well and the audio is the important part to me but the race itself. I thought just had a lot of neat things going on with it during it and after it. So we'll talk about the two thousand five American oaks at Hollywood park a coming up a little bit later also WanNa take a little look at the. Ntr a pole that's right the NPR. A poll is out and I've always said it's not really something I mean I. I don't care about vote in it but it's you know sometimes fun to talk about. I used to have a a segment called hating on the N. T. R. A. And had its own. Music will well. I really went all out with the production on on that one but You know the reason I wanNA at least talk about the NTR. A poll in this instances because it is the three zero one. I think a is kind of easy to do right now. Because we're still in that progressing toward the Derby and the Derby obviously will change all of that and I guess the Belmont could if it if it happens beforehand and I know rumors. Are THAT IRIS? Trying to get back going around Memorial Day weekend. So we'll see what they decide to do with the Belmont. I saw Baffert came out and said that he he wouldn't run it if it was a mile and a half Jewish. It's funny because it is a mile and a half in June. Normally like you know that's the normal thing and you'd honestly be coming into it off more rest because it's not like his horses would be running in the preakness in two weeks. Even though they ran on Derby Day in the Arkansas Derby. But you know I mean. He was asked the question and he answered it. And you know for years. We saw Bobby. Frankel kind of use his power to kind of you know sway away from weights and handicap divisions like. He would make a big deal out of any threatened scratch and tracks tracks want to have the superstars in their big races. And they obviously want to have Bobby Frankel in their big races and his it was his way of kind of I think Not only maybe getting something done for that particular race but in the future to like the Weights Committee or whoever decides in the way sometimes. It's just the racing secretary Sometimes there is a full committee. I was part of the Committee of Portland Meadows and You know they might. They might know how God if we make this horse. One twenty five instead of one. Twenty three bobby. Frankel is GONNA make noise about it. And he's GonNa Scratch and you know so you. Kinda plant that seed. I almost wondered if you know Baffert like I said he was answering the question but I wonder if he's kind of like trying to plant the seed like. Hey if we want these superstar baffert horses. Who are two of the. He's got three of the top four in the N. T. R. E. poll right now. Tis The laws. The only non baffert in the top four Kim Guillermo at five watching that race again we talked about it. Monday of course but Watching the second division that Arkansas Derby I can gear Moran Great Man. I really think he. You know backed up his Tampa Bay Derby and It did make dolls re kick look a little bit more impressive to because I was maybe focusing on Kim gear that time but honore P and six solve Allante and Ian Max Field. Rumor is he possibly Will be making an appearance in the Matt Win at Churchill Week to The fact he's still on the top ten is pretty interesting. I think it speaks to a the maybe lack of depth right now in this three year old division because as I said when we had Brennan on a couple of weeks ago sometimes not running is the best thing in terms of rating and public perception. You haven't proven you're you're going to lose. I mean that's you know when you look at a bad maiden race a lot of times you get horses who have run five six seven eight nine ten twenty times you know. Sometimes you look to the new shooter simply because they haven't proven how bad they are and I'm obviously Mac. `field is proven that. He's a very talented runner. But you know. He did that early middle of his two year old season. We haven't seen him since then so he's still getting some street cred based on. I think people projecting that he might be good but We really won't know until we see him back to the racist but I had no as far as hating on the a poll segment. I had no real strong opinions on the the three year olds because I feel like right. Now they're kind of easy to to rank. The top thoroughbred poll is is is interesting because maximum security is like this big asterisk in there right. He seventh and total points. But he's second in first place votes and he would be first in. First Place Votes. He'd be a landslide first place votes if it wasn't for you know what came out about. Jason surface so obviously some of the voting committee is still perplexed. I think I saw that. He was back in training. Now with. And it's GonNa be weird to see the new maximum security Post Post Service. I I mean I can't imagine baffert would a run him if he didn't think he was ready to do something. Good but also you know. I just don't imagine the horse was running bad for for Baffert but we'll see he's ranked seventh right now. Overall Thomas Day todd at six seems a little bit odd have been. I don't object to that at all. Muccio Gustav that one. I kinda have questions about but by my standards ahead of Tom's Day. Todd seems of interesting and Zulu Alpha still up. There you know cece moved all the way up to fifth ahead of Tom Day. Todd I guess that one Perplexes me as well but Whitmore at eight Mr Freeze night. Code of Honor Tenth WanNa tells me to as I mean we are. We are very void of superstars right now because these are literally the top horses running aside from three year olds and some Nice Horses. Good quality horses all that kind of stuff but Outside of midnight be Su. I can't really and maybe maximum security. I mean there are to me. There's not there's not very many horses that You know put put butts in seats so to speak Know Big names and all that kind of stuff they obviously have time to carve that out but part of carving out being a big name is is against some other big names right. I mean even you know Songbird who was very very good you know. She got beat by beholder but to me she kind of proved or metal a little bit that day because she really dug in against you know who? We had kind of assumed in called a atop kind of runner so You know I know all that the polls and stuff are in the end. Don't mean a whole lot but sometimes it's fun to talk about. Let's take a quick time out. We'll do just one little commercial and Kenya. Mcpeek will join us. As I mentioned it will be a little bit chopped up and I really really apologized. Not only to you guys but to Kenny about it but We did have a good chat for what we did get in. So we'll do that right. After this short break Jason Horseracing podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires is your home for wagering on horse racing from all around the world. Sign up today and take advantage of our one dollars. Sign up bonus when you wager. Five hundred dollars has a twin spires player. You'll receive free Brisbane at past performances. Live video race replays. Realtime racing information and much more plus you can now split tickets with other players using bet share program on twin spires that allows players to split their vets with other members for more information visit twin spires dot com all right here on the horse racing. Podcast pleased to welcome in our next guest. Whose VOLT book graded stakes winning trainer. Who this past week settled so skydiver to a winning the Green. Three fantasy stakes. Please welcome back. Kenny mcpeek to the show. Kenny how are you? I'm doing super. Thank you appreciate you coming on a big score for your philly. You posted some pictures so I was assuming you're on track how how surreal was watching a race like that with like twenty people around you. Yes definitely unusual You you're so used to having a huge crowd especially oaklawn and You know for them to unfortunate but It's a great place to go racing and I think they did a good job. On under the circumstances she She sat behind the favourite early on and I thought Brian Road tactically very good race. Kinda snuck up into second on that I turn and then went to apply pressure. Were you happy with where she was throughout the early stages of the race in which she kind of wear you expected her to be she was able to enter. I start she wiggled or in. Traffic came from next to last and one off easily so we knew we knew she could do it on. I think there were those that thought that the race at Gulfstream was kind of anomaly. In the she she got the easy lead and she's This phillies very professional. She's last three races. Going to turns have been per alley. Can you mention her her win? In the Gulfstream Park folks and people thinking. It was kind of an anomaly and I think lot of people were surprised at the speed. She showed that Dan pocket. I thought was brilliant. That day Was that a new dimension. She showed for you or were you kind of expecting that day for her to be out front. Well we had runner. Short Sheelah D- Pack especially in the race at Tampa. She really probably should have won that day. And she got off a step slow and then she had to circle the field wide and only gets beat about a length and Absorb frustrating and that. We think she should have won that day but then from there was okay. Look we've gotTA get straight to to turns because we all know that the big races are two turns and most people don't realize that the stakes program in Florida isn't very conducive to finding to turn race for three year old filly They run the Devonian Dale Short at Gulfstream IV actually employee raises but the only one of auction was the son Costa Tampa. We mow to in it too so It's a situation where we had. The shipper had shepherd fairgrounds to run in the in the race. There I believe it was the silver bullet that day or forgetting The name of that one. But anyway we shipped over there then we had to had to Chip BACK DOWN TO GULFSTREAM ship. All over the board And but she's handled it really. Well she actually drive doing it. So quite proud of everything she's accomplished and I still think You were hunting for grade. One from here her I want to talk about her development in the sense that you know her debut last fall. Churchill's took a lot of money. It was a big field. Were you expecting what you saw from? Her debut was fantastic. Yeah her She had worked lights out going into that and that was one of those restricted money racist because she had run Awry Bader for thirty thousand so yeah so so that so that condition was was unique but she got that done easy enough and and then I was going to go to terms with her. But couldn't get A to turn race distill and we were hunting and hunting and hunting for two. Turner Right. It just didn't happen so we ran our one mile to act the seven eight and You know it's Since we've gone longer the better she does. You made some news. After the fantasy noting you might consider overseas trip with her with with everything pushed back in a lot uncertain. I imagined the plotting of schedules and stuff now is very unique for you guys. The schedules are moving target. Right now. You really just don't know because of everything happening and you know I think she's a Philly that will take to the term for that any trouble Now there's nothing listed in the US that she could point of any significance and the fact that a lot of their horses are going to be coming off Layoffs they haven't been running so we're GONNA be at a competitive advantage but We've got a lot of logistics works to figure out on that That shouldn't be terribly difficult. I've done it before Wesleyan I've worked together. I was sleeping and then Wesley Certainly perfected the trip And I've run well over there but I haven't won and it might be an opportunity to do something unique. Yeah I would think that knowing that you have the points and obviously you have the first Friday in September you know kind of spot guaranteed there. I mean I imagine that does help at least because you have a poll in the distance of kind of where you WANNA be in. Be Peaking and stuff well if she's training as well as she did going into this go A trip like that. I don't think so out of the question. I mean the euro's come over and back to run an eye races all the time. We just don't tend to go their direction very often. Hansa phillies value dramatically. If you can pull something like this all to prove that she can run on turf dirt. Medica- no medication. When you end up Bringing hurt auction or any of her foals dogs. And then I think you'll get people's attention and or worldwide attention and Peter Callahan's a guy that that that understands that he's bread Top horses and then evariste worldwide. And so he gets the big picture and and he seems at this point up for we've got like I said we've got some logistics to work out and figure out the timing and the details but It's possible we're going to see we're GONNA look at all really close. Can you repeat you on his here on the program? I know you've been primarily running horses at Gulfstream Park. The last few weeks are. Are You staying down in Florida? Are you still basing in Kentucky Right now well Guess yes The you know I spend about twenty straight years based at Gulfstream and then came back into Kentucky just firing away and young horses route Florida to shift it over to Gulf st or. I'm sorry shift over to Oakland for four or five seasons and had a had a over there that there with his young verses We made a an effort on that and it didn't work out. So I've shifted my tax per se back to Florida and And then we ship out of that base I own own summerfield training center and in Just south of Ocala. And we've got all our young horses there and then we've got the main division at Gulfstream but those horses are getting ready to rotate to towards Can All those details right now? Speaking of a Gulfstream Park you send out an envelope I I said that right To a fourth place. Finish in the honey Ryder. This weekend I know she debuted on the grass broke maiden last time out on the dirt. Had you been wanting to get back on the turf with that runner you're primarily Berkeley We couldn't get the to turn to go so we went in the grass We got the to turn race ago and in and that worked out well and she remained easily then we entered into fantasy because she was going to run as an entry was Wiscon- diver and she was to get excluded. So we after over to the Gardenia and she did get excluded there and then they had five scratches which is a little frustrating and then and then it was like okay. We've got her teed up. But where do we go? So we put her in the race at Gulfstream and I don't like the way pace of that race. Unfold for I I think that that we could have done a little better job tactically either way. It unfolded I think a little too aggressive going into the first turn. It didn't show much patience and we talked about that race But but now she'll shift back to the dirt and I'm probably going to take a little time with her and you'll probably see surface in June or July depending on timing. I think she's a Philly. That's got to run in I think she could be an oaks. Philly I mean she. She's she's shown she's got that kind of talent but at the the pattern hadn't fallen right in place on her as far as getting to regular dirt routine to turns. Well unfortunately this is where the audio really Kinda went. Bad and I tried to piece that together as much because I thought Kenny had some some good information and I just I so appreciate time like I said he was very patient and we tried to make it work in the the connection was just dropping out too much and it started getting real bad so we will get Kenny on another time. But really really appreciate his time and his What's the word I'm looking for patients? You know we're all I mean we're just we're all subject to the technology we have and it's It's working behavior at that particular time. Unfortunately it's going to happen every so often but Can't Kenny enough and we will be right back. After this short time out for little episode of Race I love coming up next here on a Wednesday edition of the Jason horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires twin spires not only offers the best way to play the racist from your desktop or mobile device. But we also have great offers for our players visit twinspires.com slash offers to check out all of our great daily promotions from our players. Pick FOUR BONUSES TO WIN. Sheri- thoroughbred to harnessed we have offers and promotions for all types of races and all types of tracks visit twin spires dot com slash offers to find out what operas are available to You. Jason Beam horseracing. Podcast brought to you by twin spires. Is Your home for daily thoroughbred horse racing conversation? Join host Jason Bean. Has He discusses racing from around the country interviews jockeys trainers media personality and horse players every Monday through Friday. The show can be found at twin spires DOT COM or on. Itunes spreaker stitcher or wherever you get your podcast from the Jason Beam racing. Podcast brought to you by twin. Spires are once again my thanks to Kenny mcpeek. And appreciate his time in the policies. You guys Indicating for having a kind of piece together that interview with the The technical issues we had We're GONNA do the erase. I love segment here in a moment but I wanted to mention an article that Matt Haggerty who we had on the show last week wrote about Per Race handle rising one hundred sixty four percent in April and the article basically says the. Us held seven hundred forty six races in April decline of seventy one percent But per race handle of course up significantly and it's very obvious number. I mean we know that there's way less track. So therefore you have the same or maybe a little bit less of betters now forced to wager on literally six or seven products so you know the the range of supply is diminished and therefore the demand at each of those places goes up and so Not surprised by that. I think you know there's been a lot of talk over the years about whether consolidation would be a good thing for racing at this point and I think that it. I think that this virus going to do that to a lot of industries. I think racing will not be untouched by that. I think so far. The only track that is literally shuttered. Because of this was a a greyhound track up Ermington Greyhound but you know harness obviously is there you know everybody starting to talk about picking up and going again and running again and it seems like each day. We're seeing another track. That's kind of cemented. Their plans and I think part of that momentum is you know it just took one or two places to kind of you know. Take a step out and say look. We're going to try to start this day. And you know makes you know the first step is always the the first person across the the line is always the one that has to deal with the most Blowback and so. We're GONNA start seeing that in other sports as well but I saw Louisiana announced. They're gonNA open June six. They're not going to run the Super Derby this year. I obviously wanted to have that person. Money for their folks who support their card On a daily basis in terms of But it'll be interesting to see if if contraction is accelerated a little bit you know because of a the slot reliable tracks relying on the slot machines and stuff for their funding for purses and all that but also You know if if some tracks just don't survive what's going to be a has been and is probably going to be for a while a tough economic situation and You know we've seen that one of the byproducts of less tracks running has been field-sized jumping up. I mean every race had oakland for weeks. There was a full field and Okla generally have pretty good fields but early in the meet. There's a lot of sixes sevens and eights and stuff in there and you couldn't you couldn't even sniff a Tan. It seemed like outside of the Arkansas is of course but You know I don't WanNA I. I Never WanNa see race tracks close. I WanNa see the sport grow. I don't know that the growth in racing in terms of field sizes. Obviously I mean you see the year to year decrease in number of full so tell that starts correcting itself because owners breeders and stuff can make some money You know I don't know that. Were going to Nazi contraction. Because you know having to bet five four. Six horsfield's is just not entertaining for for bettors. It's not a good betting proposition And it's a hard game to beat with the takeout. What it is as it is so when you multiply that by less numbers of combinations and stuff it just makes for a a not great recipe. I've definitely been a little more pessimistic. That's the last couple of weeks days. I do think this entire thing is an opportunity for a bit of a revolution in terms of how the game the gaming part of the game is structured. And maybe you know try to incentivize our players to play more by charging less or by offering a better product or both God forbid so we'll see if I mean I'm like I said I'm not. I'm not hopeful that change will be spurred by that but you know hopes Kind of one of the only things we got so we got we got to. We have to try to stick it out. I'm trying to put on a smiley face so race. I love let's Let's let's do the intro. It's a slow racing day therefore time to go back in the old time traveler. To a race I love love that Generic heavy metal music that royalty free not copyrighted heavy metal music race. I love well. We'RE GONNA go back to two thousand and five which oddly enough is the same year of our last race. I love so so far. I'm two for two in fact The two races themselves were only about a month and a half apart Maybe I'll have to branch out next week when we go. Maybe go somewhere a little more modern or maybe maybe even a little bit older. Who knows but we go back to July. The third so July third here in Seattle is the Emerald Bounced Fireworks Night They always do their big fireworks show. It's the biggest one in the Kent Auburn Valley on July third. And then you know everybody else obviously does it on. The fourth doesn't matter what day of week it is. They do it on July third. It's become a big tradition and has been for quite a while and on that day I was down at Emerald downs. But they weren't starting until later on in the evening. I think the racist started at like five or five thirty and so I got there early. I went out to the quarter shoot cafe. Which is the backstretch cafe? Sally Sally Joe Steiner owned and operated there too of just the sweetest people in the world and it's a great backstretch cafe like have you can go out there in the morning. It's open to the public. You can watch the horses. Come and go onto the track and it's it's pretty awesome part of of Emerald downs history so But I went out there because that was where the simulcasting was open. And my Buddy Ben root who was a trainer had been out of his barn and I worked my way back into the cafe and it was about fifteen minutes to post for the grade. One American oaks now. The American oaks was kind of a new race in two thousand and five at had just been created a couple of years earlier. I think it was I ran in two thousand and two. In fact the great megahertz one go a mile and a quarter in two minutes point. Four six but You know she was obviously a really really good. One helped launch this race into becoming a grade one pretty early on its existence. It was A mile and a quarter on the grass. It was kind of a late Season Hollywood park has obviously del Mar. Would starting just a few weeks. It was usually a little bit just before the Gold Kappa. Phi Remember correctly but You know like I said a race that it was was pretty new to the scene and had already generate some interesting buzz and their big thing was. They wanted to get runners from overseas and this particular edition Drew several Single lease a Great Britain bread Lewis Line from Ireland bread three degrees in Irish Bred Irish Bred Silver Cup Sweet firebird and other Irish Brett. Great Britain beds silken scarlet irish-bred. Hallo dream and the Japanese bred Cesario. Who was going to be the CO second choice? The favorite in this race was affiliate Mellor and Miller. India was coming over from New York. And Back East. Bobby Frankel Stud TNT You know they they. They paid one hundred twenty. Five thousand four her at keeneland September and she breaks her maiden at Belmont Park in her first career start rallies from from mid pack on the grass and doesn't only win wins going away by and a half at odds of seven to one. So you got a little bit of price on this Bobby Frankel First-timer so she goes on to win the Miss Grillo stakes at Belmont. They give her the rest of the winter off. She comes back a three year. Old Wins the Appalachian stakes. Lynn follows that up with a score in the sands point stakes grade. Three at Belmont Park on Belmont weekend. I think it was right. It might have even been Belmont Day but That same weekend the first weekend in June one at two to five rallied from off the pace. I mean just had been crushing her opponent. She comes into this. American oaks her first trip out west and we know Franken had spent some time out West but she ends up going off as you're sixty five favorite in this spot Johnny Velazquez coming over to ride. It's interesting looking back at the chart. Garrett Gomez riding single EAS Rene Douglas Lewis Line Jerry Bailey riding three degrees. I mean the Gary Stevens. Alex Sali's Corey Nakatani David Florez P. Vowel ON LONGSHOT. Hallowed Dream You Fukunaga the writer are before the race started. I liked Osario as a bet and before the race started. I remember talking to fixed offer on the show years ago and Vick said that you know this horse. Kinda was washed out and running off and if you watch. Tv G has some coverage of this race on Youtube. And if you watch like she warms up a damn near full sprint. Like it's it's crazy. How much intent. She's working going. I remember Victoria Me. That you know he was really kinda shocked with how vigorously they were warming up and how hot. She was getting and she was breaking from the far outside post. She's breaking in the twelve post a mile and a quarter race at Hollywood so they would start in that far far. Shoot and so not the best of Of Post position for this one mellor. I in drew perfectly in a post five. You know she had kind of a come from behind style and you know really was looking to go five for five and submit herself as As kind of the you know the Star three-year-old Tur- Philly in the country at this point so the reason that this race is so special to me is I remember as I sat and watched this in the quarter shoot cafe vicks call of the race to me is as close to perfect as a race call could get He's he's his timing his pitch his everything. He doesn't miss a single thing in the race. It's just step by step by step this perfect gradual build and SS. Reo comes off the top of the stretch and really starts to open up. You know his call just builds with that and I still to this day. I've heard this race and watch this race hundred times. Maybe more. The hair on my arms still stands up. And that's what happened when I was in the quarter shoot cafe On just never forget. I was watching it. It was kind of raised. Tv Some looking up at it and like the hair on my arms just stood up and it's just such an amazing race call and entertaining race. So here's a listen back to the American oaks two thousand five the Great Cesario. They're good start scenario in single EAS from their outside post show speed. That's what I mean and is. Let cozine close up at the rail. Three degrees is mid pack alongside hallowed dream to the outside Silken scarlet and Silver Cup. Lewis Line has to check briefly off forces mellor second to last early and the trailer is sweet. Firebird cozine take charges. They hook up with the main course and Islam. Cozine is now three lengths in front of. That's what mean in second says. Reo Is well-placed. For Japan. She is third only in the two path from the twelve twelfth hole as they race at the clubhouse turn a length and a half to member read who is fourth in on the front end is look cozine trying to win the American right here. And now she's five lengths in front single eas how low dream and Silken scarlet or next. They're all about nine from the front three degrees mellor. I ended up to the BACKSTRETCH AND LOUIS. Line all eleven lengths from the front. Silver Cup is already pushed along thirteen from the lead. And if sweet firebird ends the fourth American oak she'll make up fifteen lengths in four and a half furlongs. Islah cozine tries to slow it down to the half-mile pole. But that's what I mean and Caesaria will have none of that and that's what I mean has taken over the lead that's all for is let cozine drops back his second. Sorry who is in perfect striking position. Now just a neck from the front single lease memorandum. Lewis Line has passed several. Here's Lewis Line up into fourth but length and a half to Laura into WHO's got a long way to comments says. Reo takes charge at the top of the stretch and says reo has opened up a big lead. She has four lengths in front of singles in second then comes. That's what I mean. Laura India's eight legs from the Japanese superstar Dario Tosari Oh stretch. She's running off their feet. Likes him figure elise how you get in a second? But no way that she touched the winner says reo win the fourth American jobs mellor solidly defeated in second single as third and three degrees. Finish for it. It's just so great. It's so great so Zari. Oh running them off their feet password. Stretch so Zari I. I get chills. The during the whole call it's so great The reason it's also so special to me is literally the next day. I went to the sporting store by my house and they were having a fourth of July sale and I bought a pair of Leopold binoculars that my friend Chris Carpet. Neto had recommended because he used them hunting. And I started. I went up to the grandstanded. Emerald and I sat in a friend's box. I didn't pay for and I would just kind of called the races under my breath and I remember after I did that I go you know I kinda could. I think I can kind of this. And at the time I was memorizing them via the Celtics are the saddle towel. And you know. I didn't really know what I was doing it but I knew that I wanted to do it and I could do it and I wanted to. I wanted to feel what I felt when vic called that race like every day and every race and I spent the next six months practicing every chance I could get at Emerald and then down at Portland and it was actually. It was literally about six months from that day. I got to call my first race because it was January. Eighth of two thousand six. A Colt named sue down at Portland Meadows so That race will just always be so special me of course as REO would go on to have a very good breeding career. She produced a couple of really nice horses including a Japanese Think at Japanese champion. Three year old filly of the year. A couple years later has had a couple of Of Good Offspring Mellor. Linda was never quite the same she. She went on mean she ran a good third and the Beverley D. Had A disappointing effort in the flower bowl later that year and then would win the potty stakes at Belmont Park. I hope I'm saying that right might be capitals but had to Ended up retiring after that She had been off for nine months before winning that capital steaks and so not sure exactly what happened but went to her retirement with Five wins from eight starts. Four hundred eighty three scenario would never run again. Suffered an injury and was a bread after that but That one afternoon in July at Hollywood park she was just some kind of brilliant and it is certainly a race. I love so I appreciate guys indulging me on this little segment. I'm having fun with it while we have a little bit of a shortage in racing and so looking forward to probably doing it the next couple of Tuesdays or Wednesdays till we start to pick it up live racing more so but of course. Tampa's returning today Gulfstream's back Thursday and sort. You're getting into another racing weekend. We'll start talking more about those races as we go tomorrow horse player Thursday Valente. The Track Phantom is going to join US looking forward to having the jury on on Friday. And we'll get you ready for the upcoming weekend Appreciate the emails. Keep those come. Jason Charles Bima gmail.com getting some good ones and What I really love about some of the emails. I'm getting his people reflecting and looking at their own horse playing and asking questions and talking about the things they're trying or doing and Love to see those kind of conversations happening. I don't think they happen enough so All Forum Jason Charles Bima no dot Com. We will see you guys back here tomorrow. Everybody have a great rest of your Wednesday.

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REShow:  Kendrick Perkins - Hour 2 (05-12-21)

The Rich Eisen Show

57:12 min | 2 months ago

REShow: Kendrick Perkins - Hour 2 (05-12-21)

"In a different future starts with you. That's go daddy does more to help you find a name. You can create cell and found online so any small business could be a driving force to create change or building empire. We know old ideas are cutting anymore. So we're calling for a new generation thinking your way of thinking so whatever you have in mind that will help make different future. Find everything you need to start at. Go daddy dot com because the future is decided. Get this up to us to make it happen star different at go. Daddy dot com. This is the rich eisen show. Urban meyer is giving. Tim tiba was shot if he comes out in. The action starts out from the rich eisen show studio in los angeles jones. What is your two cents on the subject of getting a shot. I thought it was really do of meyer show hit. You couldn't play earlier on the show chiefs general manager bread beach coming. He is via nba analyst. Kendrick perkins us from all elite wrestling. Chris jericho and now rich is our number. Two of the rich eisen show is on the air part of my today. I'll be conducting. The next two hours of the show is expertly as i can and then i will be making. My weight is sofi stadium in hollywood park for the second time in two months last time was for my run rich run as a matter of fact it might be close to the one month anniversary. The date where i did run up there. Oh how you feel. I i. I can't wait to get back there. Because i can't wait to call at my office. It's my home. They built a set right on the field at us and so It's me and mooch and kurt in the game day morning gang back together for all seventeen regular season games for all thirty. Two teams that 2021. Nfl schedule released show Tonight at eight eastern time on nfl network. And i cannot wait to tell you everything you already know and everything that has already been leaked and i just hope. There's a crumb left. I hope there's like week fourteen late window on fox. At least one thing left at bleacher report has an already tweeted out They're going to get a phone call somebody in the bleacher report front office gonna get a phone call. I'll say that right now. So i've seen brett brett beach on and our i don't wanna know. Don't even know if it's accurate or not. No no i'm brett. V-chip the general manager of the kansas city chiefs on saying he knows the schedule and he said that it comes with like thirty warnings about a penalty. If you leak if you leak it and a lot of people already know it because the espn two knows it as well because they're putting together a show tonight. Also our whole crew knows it because they're putting together all the graphics you know. It's it's not easy to put a show like this together but at any rate i'm very excited about it at eight eastern time tonight and We'll be all over it on. nfl network. best. Can i told you so. It was going to be cowboys versus 'cause box for kick it all off Didn't know what they would put on sunday night. But i again so stadium was supposed to be frank center last year along with also vegas Stadium last year but we all know the pandemic put the big celebrations of the openings of that stadium. Aside so sunday night football. Nbc will start kicking the tires on so-fi And the super bowl year for nbc and s-o-f-i stadium in hollywood park and then the raiders will host the ravens on on monday night football on espn radio flex scheduling of sleep after week. Twelve of this year so from weeks thirteen through eighteen. Gotta get used to saying that in the nfl This yeah weeks thirteen. I guess through seventeen because there won't be a week eighteen monday night. Football game Espn and abc will have the ability twelve days in advance to call up the nfl and say that monday night gain is look so good anymore. We want this one from sunday and everybody who has tickets for a monday. Night game Don't show up because the stadium will be empty. Goes show up on the sunday. Get flexed into man. I think our television product. That's a great idea it is. I'm sure he is overdue on. I'm sure espn is happy about it. And i'm sure the nfl is happy about a to 'cause people get to see it. And i'm assuming that That cost them. Maybe an extra silver passer to whatever it costs to to put together mr toad. Wild ride epcot. We'll take the cost of that. Then so mickey good times. Good times everybody So let's talk a little association here because kendrick perkins is going to join us shortly thet and watch a game. Of course it did. Of course. I watched the lakers in the knicks and julius randle is so fun to watch and after you know. My anger subsided. I'm not a very get off my lawn type guy. But seeing the knicks in their home whites on home floor. the lakers was just. It's just it's just pisses me off. It's just like come on. What are we doing scrunched your nose no know and i know that the lakers choose. What uniforms in the knicks gotta match but put the lakers in their gold. Put the lake. The nixon their road blues. And you know there's there is something to staal je people and the people get into nostalgia are the ones we're going to buy jerseys for the kids that you want us to buy that's my missive to the swoosh friends of mine up there in oregon. That's a great point. The great all right just because my kid might sit there and go. Oh dad i loved that. Third fourth alternate jersey. So much and i will turn to my son or daughter and say what else do you want. Because i'm not doing it so you wouldn't by the no. I would not because it pisses me off. I'm being managed and sold something okay. I don't like it well. That's every time a commercial comes on. I know and i could be manipulated in a way to to to buy something but not offends my sensibilities insensitive. History is like we could talk about. Which shall we go way. Back bernard kingdom where the home white number thirty in any old forum. Come on now. Julius randle were the home white. Nick thirty but that was a dog. That was a really oh and it was an old school old school game. Yeah that was an old school game where we're playing defense the two best teams in the nba and the defense. You saw the graphic last night that they've given up the the lakers have given up The second fewest points per game in the league and the knicks are tops in that regard coach. The video mr defense. You know frank vogel brought a certain sensibility on the defensive side of the ball. Anthony davis is playing. All these guys are playing goes into overtime is the knicks. Blew a lead late. Lakers win with mir ticks to go and it was a big game for the lakers. Lebron was there in his In his skivvies and and And now nk and spike was in there. And anthony davis lebron forgiven spike the business. And that's old school. i like it. I like it in the lakers. Toughening themselves up for what's to come and what appears to be coming for. The los angeles lakers is a warriors team in seven versus a play in game. Now the the the the blazer the blazers the blazers have a difficult stretch over the next three games left. They finish up at utah at phoenix home for denver. While the lakers tonight get lebron back against houston which is got. The hall backed up at indiana and at new orleans which doesn't have zion and is about to be eliminated from the playoff tournament. They're two and a half out. no ingram either. I mean that's done for new orleans so so it looks like the the blazers have winnable. Have a tougher schedule than the lakers. So it would behoove the lakers to get the hell out of that. Seven spot and it would behoove the blazers mavericks keep winning. Because who wants a piece of the golden state warriors. I will answer that question. Like a harbaugh no body nobody. Nobody and the answer's obvious the way steph. Curry's playing may come up with a fifty piece last night. But he did what he had to do. And then he's doing his curry thing which you've heard all the statistics that he's shooting his best beyond the three point arc when he's dribbling ten times or more before shooting that's a stupid stack for. He's worse when he's catching and shooting. He's better when he's getting himself in a rhythm and getting you having your ankles broken. He is just amazing. He is amazing. He is my mvp. I know i know the joker is getting all the he hasn't missed a game and the nuggets have not had. They've not been four stuck because they lost jamal. murray right. that's this might not wrong. That's the sense of why yokich is getting the love for mvp. He's having a great. He's having a great year statistically a great year but basically it's the same year that james harden puts up every year. But here's the but but it's not just statistically a great year and the nuggets though did not get forks stuck when they lost jamal murray and the joker has taken the mantle. They've got that kit porter. Jr. who's also doing very well okay. So i'm not taking anything and that's the problem with an mvp conversations. You're taking something away from somebody else or you're at least you're seeming to be. Don't forget the warriors were supposed to be four stuck when clay thompsons achilles blew up. Don't forget the number. Two overall pick in the draft in james wiseman he had much of a nothing burger. Certainly when you're comparing him to the rookie seasons of the guy chosen before him after him they got a kind of a big nothing. From from their second overall selection he was a contributor but he got injured and obviously edwards. The when you when you draft somebody. Second overall lamelo ball or an anthony edwards type contribution. That's worth thought we were going to get right. True and then curry was coming off of an injury. Marred season himself. The warriors felt fork stuck from tip this year. They are now four games over five hundred. They are now the team. You don't wanna face the playoffs and if you don't think they're feeling it. Did you hear what draymond green said last night after they beat the suns at okay now let me just give you a quick history lesson here because i kind of remember it but the two thousand six two thousand seven. Golden state warriors team was called. The we believe team. Yeah yeah okay. The we believe. Team don nelson got him to the playoffs. They actually want as an eight seed right. remember that they hadn't been in there and into the playoffs. Since let me get this right. A thirteen year hiatus they got an okay. Those the baron. Davis duncan care. Linko if you remember et cher was because the warriors were not expected to do what they're doing right now. Somebody actually asked draymond green. If this was the we believe two point. Zero team Here's his response. The we believe two out. What is your response to that here. I love we believe team. You know matt be stag jack beatty all those guys but they had a thing and we got ours You know we believe days over. We want three championships. I'm not part no. We believe team And like i said that's no disrespect to. Oh jeez there came before me. I love those guys and what they started. Here is incredible jay rich Saginaw finest You know no disrespect to them at all because what they did was incredible But now we're not no. We believed two point. Oh god steph curry on our team. We've got f- in steph curry on rt. He's a point yes he does. And don't forget don't forget. There are some championship hearts and minds on this team hearts of lions. That's one of them. The coach is another. And they have f steph curry on his team. We believe my ass that's awesome. I heard that on like o. K. are salty ready here. We go everybody hold on the family. Jewels because dream ons coming into the playoffs feeling it. I'm telling you you don't want a piece of this team now. I will just say this before. We'll take a break. And get kendrick perkins dea think. The nba deep down is like at playing tournament. Now oh the chances you run out. And you know exactly what i'm coming in and you want them focusing on the jazz and the sons not the grizzlies and the spurs kinda hit me like. Oh yeah and we've been talking about this play in tournament but really want them focusing on each other for one game and then taken on the spurs and grizzlies or do you just want to say. Let's go seven versus two eight versus one. And and then i'll just say this. If the spurs are the eighth seed which it looks like they they could be the seven but if they are the eighth seed and they hear more this we believe two point. Oh and you could be just like that team. One is an eight seed. You know and actually avenge the we believe that got bounced by the utah jazz. You can do it against the current iteration of the jazz. We believe two point. Oh and all the media's draw draw these storylines and if i'm jazz on mike no don't say that yeah no. We don't need those no no. They'll talk the warriors up. These champions coming in they'll put us all of a sudden jazz like puffing their chests out all year like yeah. We're the jazz. we're the ones seeds. And then suddenly they'll be talking eighteen. Oh let's let forget who they are dream on just reminded everybody. I love that sound bite man going. Let's take a break kendrick perkins next on this edition of the rich. Eisen show will hit him up on all of these subjects and urban meyer. On tim tebow. That's still to come this hour with you. That's why go daddy does more than help you find a name. You can create sell get found online so any small business could be a driving force to create change or built an empire. 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I started the soup and after that you can eat whatever like okay. He's basically it's it's it's like how do you read like basically you feel like healthy because with all your stomach of shan hurry too much so do you at some point during the day. Oh you haven't eaten yet. Any tap have had that okay. What is your favorite super. Wash two tomato soup mushroom soup. Everything that have you thought about making your own line of soup soup bozo was like this with you. I think about pound vote Next one for for bo. Bon celebrity tour. False with bo-bottle. You do now you do not like case you do not like cake. No kicks not big fat. What's case i like. I like like small desserts. Like if it's something. I would like to enjoy because small she hit. They're all they're all. They're all small to soon over for dinner soup new tele crepe okay. That's easy simple. Couple of bucks. I think do my last one for you. Boban true or false love to shake hands To be honest people more like shake my hands and ask every time every time somebody somebody companies i i just i just come from the rest of my wash. My hands i read. I read a ready to eat food. And i was like i was like walking up. Some somebody must shake my hands and somebody comes how i know. Good stuff from beaumont back in the day man. I love that guy. He's the tallest person you've ever met right. I don't know how is he taller than korean. Yeah yeah i think so. I think he's i think bobi officially got Measured seven four last year of before our this is kendrick perkins first time calling on the show to his first time. That's got him. We are efforting very good. Eight four four two four rich number two down here people because i mean look at the size of my fist and its relation to his right there. I mean that's insanity. It's like that old picture of andre. The giant him holding a can of beer looks like like a toy. Like that's a real kemp here. That's a bobin handle. I write giant of a man. Well chris jericho beat you calling our number three always talking to chris. Jericho's amazing he is great got thrown off a cage the other day. I've talked him back here on the rich eisen show. Keep me honest here. Because i can't see on on the board here. Kendrick perkins is an online eight four. Four two zero four rich is the number to dial here on the rich eisen. Show chris jericho coming up in our number three. How confident are you in the clippers. They've kind of been under the radar screen at rich. So i know you love it. I'm saying i love the under the radar. Because you know everyone loved to clown paul george after what happened in the bubble last year and then yeah playoff and then you know havoc. Thank you bad games throughout the year. But he's been terrific. Short has balled out the season in. No one's talking about it and which is fine like let's under that radar I'd like that team. And i think the really strong and Again going back to the end of last season as clipper fan. You can never let your expectations get to outta here. Here's the thing is just. Don't go up three games to one bro. man. I'm telling you you know i just don't do that. But you mostly just just go up three games to three. Oh yes and then what sweep were just go to. Oh and then you're eventually going to have to in order to get to four. You've got to count to three good point but it looks like If you do get locked in to the three spot you'll take on you'll take on the mavs of the blazers or maybe even the lakers. Oh baby wow dow be something. I enjoy his work immensely on. Espn and. i don't think we've ever met so. This is the first time. I have a chance to say hello to a kendrick perkins longtime nba player and now great analysts on the jump and so much more on espn. How're you doing. Kendrick raise how you doing man. Thanks for having me. Oh absolutely for. Thank you for coming on here kendrick. So let's get into it. I saw your tweet last night about how you were enjoying the old school nature of the knicks and the lakers. We don't we do see usually see type of play like that anymore in the nba. Certainly not this year. Let's put out right and we're talking about. We're talking about two teams. That are two of the best defensive teams and in the in the nba. And when you look at it. They hang their hats on there. That was one of those games where we enjoyed right. Like you enjoyed every minute of the competition. Guys gordon each other sprint back on defense and look. This is it. This is why we should all be applauding the nba for admen playing tournament. Because no way and here we. We have seen a game like this. You're if the play in tournament wouldn't in existence right. There's late into was that old school. Get it in the trenches old. No easy lay no easy shots. Everything was contested. that's how the game supposedly played rich. Nah i liked. What you just said. Kendrick has used in the previous segment. we went to break before calling you up about how i'm wondering if the nba would lament the fact that they do have a in tournament as much as we've been talking about it and can't wait for it That you know you don't want you. You'll take the lakers in the warriors in right now as opposed to run the risk of losing curry or or lebron from the western conference playoffs. But you're saying that if the lakers didn't have a reason eight games over five hundred to play a game like that last night and that the plane tournament would have been that We wouldn't have seen last night's game essentially actually and that's and that goes around the entire nba. Like you looking forward to watching games tonight. Did we probably would have never looked forward to watch. Like the hawks whizzes woeful. Those teams are playing for s. The thing that you buy and also throughout the whole thing about play is it. Hose teams players organizations accountable for the regular season and not to take it for granted. And look i'm a. I'm a farm. Believe was it's okay. Every action has a reaction so it started with the low management in my opinion guys download. Men's is not really does not really a performing like they should guys doing things to that nature not showing up the games. We'll fans they hard earned money so guess what the nba say. Okay yeah i wanna take the regular season for granted. That's that's so into play in. That means every regular season game means something if you're trying to accomplish a goal kendrick perkins of espn here on the rich eisen show. Who's your mvp so now. I envied and it changed. Because i was originally going with. Cpi three okay. But phoenix had a drop off. And it's been fluctuate night and so with that said i'm saying right now that you have to give it to you. Jamal murray Them because against performances. I would have to go with big. Yoga's down there and like like greg cloudy. Say the modern. Day larry bird. Well the issue for me on that kendrick is that we really weren't talking about him for it Until jamal murray went down. And you know i know. He's played every game this year and i know his statistics have been remarkable and and the the nuggets are still championship threat. But i don't know if i if i wouldn't give it to curry. Because if if we're gonna say yokich that he's done what he's done and and avoided his team getting the fork stuck in. Mvp by an injury bug then. We should afford the same thing to curry with klay thompson. Even though that didn't happen during the season but we we're gonna give not not as eighteen seed though we're talking my like you can give a guy of the vpn. Look i'm all for curry. I think he must see tv. Don't get me wrong. he's having exceptional year. But we can't reward curry and they've they've been eighteen. They possibly could be a nice see. That's the case we could reward russell. Westbrook who's your mvp and the eastern my mvp. Lisa's joel embiid. I may i know he missed you. Know nineteen twenty games. But what he's been doing for us putting up thirty points ten rebounds shooting fifty percent from the field. He has arguably been the best player in the eastern conference. And that's saying a lot when you had over there in the east by the way phillies sitting at the number one spot. And there's no is every single night people knows that the ball is going through joe l. and and they still cannot stop this man. He's a two hundred and seventy five pounds version of a. That's in the east my mvp kendra. Let's told on of kendrick. Your your phone goes in and out. We're going to call you right back just to see if If we might get a better line right here that's kendrick perkins of espn because he saints many Important interesting things that like. for instance. he's at two hundred seventy five pound. What i missed out on. Did he say kema. Lajon was was that akeem it could have been. I mean who would you say. He's the closest thing that you've seen to chemo. He's got a ton of moves man and he gets to the line he makes his free throws makes the number of times that i say to my kids like look how many times he gets the line. You know what i mean. Look and he makes his free throws to clear the nets who get hardened back tonight. Look at the hawks. The heat and the knicks all thirty eight and thirty one and the difference between playing the bucks nets and sixers might be a huge difference. Huge do right your celtics literally falling apart. it's over. We're going to lose in the playing game two charlotte and then was to the wizards. And that's a wrap would be interesting. Is that Kemba walker versus charlotte to start that one offering their. We've entertaining but i don't expect us to win. So you'll lose the hornets and lose to the wizards and then just Go into that good night going into the good night. That's my prediction back here. On the rich eisen. Show kendrick you there. I thought about that. yeah. I know. I'm living in right now. I've been living in the hotel room since the Weather ice storm hit a 'cause it messed up my home so sometimes the sigma go in and now okay in your hotel room. But i'm right back i'm right. Thanks sound right well. The thing that that that caused me to say let's call. Let's call back. You said embiid is a two hundred seventy five pound version of and then you went out so pick one that's it. Yeah well. I mean look at his foot work. Everything could buy them. I mean the soft turnaround over both shoulders. I mean obviously be expanded his game and he got eurosteps. The in and out but even came was playing this game. I'm pretty sure you could do a euro step as well. So that's why. I think is the best player my is in the eastern conference right now. No walker stop them. Which team is under the radar for you going into the playoffs kendrick perkins in and you could even include the one seed in the west. You know the sun seemed to be getting more run than utah Because we're waiting. I guess for for donovan mitchell. A comeback and be healthy I'll give you another another option. You know There there's a. There's a team here in los angeles that gets under the radar every single day that they exist. Wh where do you. What's the most under the radar team that you got right now entering the when i look under when i talk about under the radar i talked about. I wanna to talk about a chain that no one is talking about right. No one and i'm not talking about the lakers. I'm not talking about the clue. Talking about the knits auto. Feeling all even miami. Can we talk about the atlanta hawks. One second. let's talk about atlanta hawks. Right coach a candidate for coach of the year and they make mcmillan has done a great job. Trae young has been flying under the radar. I don't know how these putting up. Moss did not score wise and dropping the series and then you look at john collins who should be a candidate right under. Julius randle for most improved. Clinical pillow has article. We've been the best defensive center. Probably right after rudy gobert. It was his impact on the game. They have shooting bond down a bitch. They have been scorned. Gallinari lou wheel and he's just like they have the makeup and winning games and their steady flying under the radar in. Everyone is taking this team granted. Everyone is saying. Oh well we can't wait to get the hawks in the first round match right. The house and no pushover there there in the middle of the pack of eastern conference for ring so kendrick perkins here on the rich eisen show. Now that you're part of the paparazzi. Have you pissed off anybody that you know or consider a friend in the league based on what you've said because you you you pull no punches kendrick all the time but you know we do but see let me let me tell us okay me. Militarist is always place the same kendrick perkins that you were talking right now. You may hear saying some all television how someone is the same pendry perkins. They knew that. I would say the same thing in the locker room. Like so guys know that the things that the per that they see now is the same that they saw for years especially guys that i share the floor win right that i played on the same team with. So all those guys know they. I get text messages and be like perky crazy for that statement. Then we'll call each other will argue for a minute way but we still friends but you know the thing i love. Is that all the guys that i play with all the guys that i call my brother's still in the nba. Even kevin durant right. That's still my brother. man katie. Still talk and they all know that. I have a job to do right. And they know i'm not going to be fis. I'm gonna call them if they play bad. I'm gonna say it. But i'm eating i again. They flowers as well. So we have that understanding but you do get tax people. Same what and then you have a conversation you you you hash it out like that you know they take me and then i call them. They take me then i call them. I don't column pissed off. I call them trying to laugh it off a little asked the flowers. That's the flowers. Don't look they get understanding. From why i'm coming from and we just talk about it you know but i can't take messages but you durant. You're you're you're good everybody's good you're good with everybody going in the playoffs or i'm good. I'm good they know they know man look like i tell them. I'm saying perk out. Being though i'm just now i'm just on the other side i'm in the media and nor much gang i may i may. I may be twenty percent of the time. But i'm right. Eighty percents percentages. That better than your free throw shooting percentage of that eighty percents from the free. Those who seeks percent man. Look i know we just met Kendrick how do i get invited to paul pierce ship out dinner. How do i do that. You don't wanna do that. We all want to do that. We'll want eight week. Do if we do get invited. We wanna make sure that all foams. But i gotta make sure i tell my wife that everything's fine you know. Unless she's watching it she could be watching it live. You never know you know. Oh my gosh that was something else man. so You're you're championship years. Do you think you could have one more at the time those championship years kendrick perkins another one more than just the. Oh eight what are you. What are you sending that subject. I do i do. I think in two thousand ten. We would've beat the lakers. If i wouldn't have got injured just remember right when when healthy i'll starting five never lost a playoff series. So you know we had. We had one game and we we had to win one game out of two and i figured we was going to get the job done if i were to play. Just think about we was up. Fourteen points in game seven going into the fourth quarter and they just outrebounded o. K. g. was worn down from banking with buying them in an console. And that's why would took the low off for them. So i i know for sure i would have had to rings up under my in my case. So do you think. Doc what what does he brought to philly. Kendrick that that that clearly you know. he was trying to put together here in los angeles And and in philadelphia. We all know what their troubles were over the last couple of years. What what do you think. He's brought to this equation. That see doctors. Doctors great were personalities. Doc is great with chemistry if you wanna if you wanna be bought in and it's your guy. They want to be held accountable. So this was the perfect situation. You have two guys young guys in joel embiid and ben simmons that. Look up to dot game bag you. That's the first Right and then. Doc is great at putting guys in position to be successful. That's why we see joe and be doing what he do. Because is is is saying no joel. You don't have to just go on the block if you wanna bring it up if you want to do in and out crossovers it'll be. You wanna get into your offense. The bad go ahead and be yourself ben simmons. You don't have to shoot a jump. If you wanna be facilitated and league the league in the system three point side they do good. Be the best version of ben and when you get a coast advise in and appreciate what you do and not trying to make you into something you not. Then you get the results there. The philadelphia seventy sixers are getting right now. Just remember. tobias harris had his best year under doc rivers before philadelphia and the clippers. He's having another great year right now. The white howard is plan exception the will and then you add You add the defensive coach. Yeager from from From memphis that was in memphis when they was going through those the grind. Your number tony allen and all them. They had one of the best teams in the league. He's over the defense. So it's no it's no secret why they're great offensively and that's great defensively. Because he has now. Doc has that tom tippett. Doc rivers relationship. That he and boston is the kim distri kendrick. I appreciate the time. let's do this more. I really appreciate you calling in like. I said i've really enjoyed watching you on. Espn and and your your ability to dissect something and then and then also we've in your own personal. It's it's It's not easy to do transitioning from From the court or the field to microphone studio you do. I really enjoy watching my son. My youngest son is a die hard celtic fan. So i'm seeing a lot of your work that you do for that as well And so i appreciate the time. Appreciate you Lou anytime on huge fan. And i know i talk slow in country. It sounds which you get what you saying. Oh i mean i. I picked up everything that you've put down kanter perkins everything i appreciate. Okay the who the espn hoop streams host and also analysts on the jump and so much more kendrick perkins here on the rich eisen show park. It's so funny. When i said you think he could have one more. You know in your times in boston you know kept chiming in my ear. Oh yeah boston. Superfan he's eight. I got hurt. He's like yeah was game six it. Br perked personnel line. Kevin kevin garnett gets hurt in two thousand nine With three quarters of the season with that team was better than the team and then in two thousand ten perc goes down in game six of the nba finals and then a game seven. He's not joking. Pau gasol had twenty rebounds should have been. Mvp that series. Kobe shoots four for twenty six and game. Seven celtics blew fourteen point lead. I washed it with mike. Del tufo the first time i ever met del. Tufo get out of here. The first european the cooler time. I ever met del tufo with words and giant and we went to this sports bar and santa monica. There was a really long line. Del tufo is already inside and got us in past the long line in the velvet rope. First time i ever met. Mike was game seven. I washed that in a bar full laker fans. I am ready to celebrate like crazy. Because i assumed with the fourteen point we we were winning. That and the lakers came all the way back. That was when ron test. The winter thanked psychiatrists and the post game press. Coffer never passes to maybe man. I just moved to. La that year. It was not a good day. I feel you bro. Bright the bright side was on all of that. Is you got to meet mike del. Tufo that he's not here right now because right now he would be crowing about the fact that got you in the bar got you definitely got but that is also mike. Del tufo at his finest where. He's i'll do what i can. He doesn't know you from adam. He does love giant. Or you referred to andy greg producer. Chris words producer. nfl network. Doesn't know you from adam but gets you in even though. He despises boston sports. Wow and he accuses. You of curtis mike. Del tufo experience. First time i ever met mike no kidding. Well he's back tomorrow. We'll ask him his perspective on all that body. Different story at least unless you got a fuzzy memory about the details of the loss by god. I you know i was with. I was in big wings in north hollywood. Watch and you know. I'm not a laker fan. Of course the entire bar is full laker fans and there's about thirteen seconds left. Everyone's jumping up and down. I snuck out of the bar. Like i'm getting text messages. Where'd you go. i'd left as i can't be here to watch the saw man that's coming up on ten years or is it twenty ten twenty seven. Two thousand nine hundred was nine. Two thousand ten nine ten nine ten season How eleven years. It's an eleven year and then the next year your world opens up when you get hooked up with the rich eisen podcast and television show inter from that work comes to me and says hey there's a lockout going on. We really need cheap programming on tv. Would you mind televising. Your podcast. And i said on one condition. You call it. Inexpensive programming not not yes the caveat brockman lars lawrence. Randall of nfl network programming department calls me into his office and he goes. Love your podcasts. Listen to all the time. That's why would you want to televise it. Nobody was televising podcasts period. How long were you guys doing it. At that point. I was doing it for just a few wiz and a few months. The tv started again. I started this show is born out of me. Going into steve bornstein. My boss smart enough to have hired me twice and saying i want to do a podcast. You know you were ahead of the curve. Well bill simmons was ahead of the curve s. I saw bill. Simmons was doing. And i'm like do a podcast and let me do one for the nfl network. The nfl media group wasn't even born yet. And i remember bornstein was looking at me. Doesn't know much from podcast. So he says to me. How much is it going to cost me. And i said nothing is fine do it. That was it told no body when i was on my own. Basically say i need know. I need a studio. I need this. I need that. Everyone's like what are you doing now. Mike i'm starting a podcast. And so you know you're and then brockman was the producer of the television version out. And then he started coming on and now look at him. he's a father and everything but still when it all comes down to. It had no idea that he was still licking the wounds. That big time loss. You my yeah. Two thousand two thousand nine cm was about two thousand and ten. We should have done it as talking to kendrick perkins. We'll take a break. We'll come back. urban meyer has spoken about tim tebow and he did it on. A chris. Collingsworth podcast. 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How would you make money doing this. Subscription for people are gonna pay per month ninety nine cents per month very cheap while dark okay. So here's a scenario yok. You're in your apartment you die. Don't you think the neighbors are going to smell your rotting corpse ono. There was actually a person in santa. Monica that staffer eight days buildings down for me before people knew that that person stores not only. Does this have zero merit. I mean the chance that people actually want to contemplate their mortality and pay ninety nine cents a month. Doing it is crazy about it. If if your if your mom calls you for two days doesn't get an answer. She's probably going to call the super say go check on his corpse like think about it. They don't need ninety nine cents about that. Would you want something. You don't have to do my dead who cares. I won't care there'll be a new guy. How does he third you're dead. The app doesn't know you're dead. You'll have to let you would tell you you're not checking in every time you unlock your phone it would paying and you put people on a list that know that. If you're you're mother's in florida she could be sitting in the house. You know the east checked in on our phone. If you're kidding you don't have to talk to him on the phone and if it's a kid if you're if you're if you're worried about why don't you call her. Well let's let's assume you you don't. You're not going to call people. Don't call their mother and father live. Twenty five hundred miles mar. I just wanted to make sure your head like are you kidding. You should call your mother every day. No no i'm talking about all day. You don't know you want to know the exact moment your skin exactly reminded she logs on says i'm dying. I'm dying like you know. Mike realistically bad bad try. That is a professional eviscerate. Or yes he of shark tank my word back here on the rich eisen show eight four four two four. It's the reason why ask kendrick perkins about to hear from players. Who are were upset about. What you're saying is a lot of players. Don't appreciate it when one of their colleagues goes into the paparazzi and starts truth telling you know and it's good on kendrick perkins. He calls them up and hashes them out. Because you know that's a you know. The people think that breaks a code but as he said he understood the he understands and they should understand that. There's a job too and a lot of players. Don't do that when they come off the court or go on the field. They kind of put a little hitch. They're giddy up and It doesn't serve anybody right. Doesn't serve the viewer into serve the analyst. It doesn't serve the network. it doesn't serve anybody so hopefully that'll be the first of many Many appearances for kendrick as we go through the playoff season. 'cause i'd love to get his perspective. I love it. Love it so Urban meyer was on the. nfl draft. Live saturday late seventh-round coverage because they were don And the jacksonville draft room. They were done with their draft. He joins and i asked him about. Tim tebow a at the end and he said that they were going to get around to it. Essentially had no idea. They already worked out as confirmed by urban meyer on chris collins. Worth's podcast with richard sherman. Here's the exchange that they had when. Chris asked him about the possibility of bringing tim tebow onto the team and give him giving him a shot at making the jacksonville jaguars and twenty twenty one. We have not signed to There's a thought golden corral. He he was in the best shape of his life asked to see if he can. Workout coaches. I wasn't even there and they came back to me well. This guy's in the incredible shape. And i said i went another time at watch. The dry mouth. They go work on these things. He comes back later. They try might again. I'm not there they come in the said. Wow you know this guy's ball skills. He's a great athlete. He looks like he's eighteen years old at twenty whatever. It is thirty three. And i said guys. You don't understand this guy. Is it always the most competitive maniac. You're we're going to talk to and let's give it a shot in. I have not decided. If we're gonna do that or not yet. A getting close to make decision. I i. I'm all in on it again. I don't understand the tibo hate I don't understand it It is in my mind. Not apples to apples at all to colin kaepernick Not getting a shot in the nfl as he should as he should. I you know you'd have to wonder if jim horrible was a coach in the nfl. With years of success and front office support if colin kaepernick would have had his shattering right if his college coach was an nfl head coach with a ton of support from the front office like urban. Meyer clearly has jacksonville. Will it have gotten the opportunity. It's just it's just. It's not even the same thing. Tvos not being tried out for quarterback he is giving an opportunity for a tight end spot in the nfl. And it's a long shot. And to me. I i hope it happens. I hope it happens because it'll be something of interest. Trust me that opening game jacksonville at houston would be that much more interesting. If trevor lawrence. Has tim tebow to throw to. You will be definitely tuning into that game. Regardless of the fact. If it's tyrod taylor or davis mills who are assuming will be the options for the texans in week. One not to shawn watson and it will be the prison by which urban doesn't care but it will be the prison by which urban first few weeks and months if not full year in the nfl will be measured. The fact is the fact that he's bringing on an old college. Buddy has in the nfl and giving them a shot after not playing for. What is it and nine years. Chris rights nine me snaps implicit that that's that. That's quite hiatus non-users between snaps and bringing them in just like. Hey let's let's bring him on a. Let's give a shot. Let's give him a scholarship. Did it will be viewed as urban. Doesn't know how the nfl works. And if tibo works out for trevor lawrence and proves to be a non story. Which i think he will be Certainly on the front of of of failure. I mean if it if it doesn't work out it's not like it. Costs them draft choices or money or anything like that and if it works out he'll be like boy urban doing it the way he wants to do it. This'll be the prison by which it's measured 'cause trevor lawrence unless trevor get's totally regressed in looks like something that he's never looked like which i don't think will ever happen unlikely right. This'll be the one that That this one right here. I mean certainly doesn't make the team. Good luck twenty. Twenty one mental play football games. We'll forget about it but if he plays football games and he does well. Oh urban doing his way isn't he. Jacksonville was smart to just give him the whole store. He saw something tibo. Tibo is leading the locker room for urban culture. But if he does get there and he doesn't deserve it and he doesn't play well and he still there. Then as bomani jones said yesterday he'll come across like urban snitch in the locker. And how's that work. All of it is just filled with intrigue about how we're going to view urban and tim tebow and the nfl and all of them. I am here for. I am having a fr- i'll be t- to use the tony bennett song phrase. I'll be applauding from a front row. Seat hardened that's wherever that. I know you're saying that hard knocks i dunno. I think the front office will be all four. Because they're all they're they're day. No it's all about branding here but urban might be like. Yeah that's not you want that. Don't sit in the worst way i'm sure. Nfl films to chris. Jericho number three. He knows the kahn family. Very well coming up on me. About that soundbite. Yeah we worked out. And i wasn't there of course it's just everybody telling me and how great he looks like you got a tell you one of the greatest competitors i've ever known baby that'll be great but how i honestly they the anger that came from it from football players and we think he doesn't deserve an opportunity. I guess he is denying an opportunity. At some undrafted. Free agent that's younger and On an needs the opportunity. I guess but that undrafted free agent who needs the opportunity on the upswing doesn't have a history with this coach. That's the way it goes. That's the way it goes know. It's all about who's in charge and the opportunity that is given to you if you merited or not i. I don't know if you know. Obviously i was on. Espn but if steve bornstein wasn't the guy putting nfl network together what. i what. I've been his first choice to be. Nfl networks host knew me my work and you my work ethic. He knew i wasn't in a hole and it wasn't going to make a make him get phone calls at two thirty in the morning. Because i was hooton with the owls. Doing that stupid. Know what i mean. He knew my wife just as well as he knew me right you know. It seems so unlikely. Maybe i think that's what it boils. That's what i understand people's anger. I came say anger. Understand why it's become a conversation but nepotism is a real thing you know. It really is in because of the coach. That's the reason he got shot. And i think we all kind of have to understand the phrase. We've heard our whole lives. It's not what you know so you know like to. I deserve to be in this chair. I don't know but you took a liking to me and put me here so even this guy on youtube said the personality of a fish. I like something and you put me here. So she's been reading the comments. So what i'm saying so i know what your job to read that sort of stuff but just come on. It's not as comments. Though by the way. I think fish have great person hired fishes a kid my in my room. I had a fish out a turtle. Reggie watch dead last. So you know. The shortest memory. Span is a goldfish. What does that mean. What video is that associated to. That comment You know even say which video was it associated. I'll tell you once we go to break people go watch it. And empowering don't read the comments read. The comments bro. i'm just using it. Well they call him flipper our three coming up. Do you know how the flaws in your brain make you a better person or if we really have free will or the surprising benefits of swearing. Well you will. If you listen to the something you should know podcast with over. Four thousand five star reviews. Somethingyoushouldknow gives you fascinating information. You can use every day search for the something you should know podcast and when you see the bright yellow light bulb start listening. If you like this podcast you'll like something you should know.

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Mt. Rushmore of the Fair

Mt. Rushmore Podcast

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Mt. Rushmore of the Fair

"Readings and welcome. This is dodger's talk radio. And this is mount rushmore podcast. I was waiting to see where you're going with out. I was ready to my vin. Scully grab no. It's the mount rushmore. Podcast my name is jeff and i'm joined always public appearance. Richard ball one outing this time around. the theme has nothing to do with this silly pre sketched comedies. Gets the theme is was like it was like you. Had you have the theme the topic right in front of you and then you're just reaching your hand into like a totally different out. Just sherpa paper. Whatever go with it okay. I just felt like i was talk. Radio line drive okay. brock by okay. So yeah so the deal is. We're going to talk about them. More fair richard. Did you choose. I did choose it. Chose it you know 'cause it's summer it's fair season and for the first time in a couple years there's actually going to be fair is to go to and my family usually makes out to at the very least down here the orange county fair and most years. Also the la county fair. Okay we actually go to orange county even though it's further away farther away from us because it's smaller it's in costa mesa where it's like thirty degrees cooler nice so pro tip. Orange county fair. That's the way that they are permanently. Moving the date of the la county fair to may something or other this year or next because of the aforementioned. You're going to get murdered by the heat. Yes that's interesting. I hadn't heard that all right well. Hot takes abound here. So far controversy`l that's just straight off the breaking news wire. That's that's the way you want to come. That's your angle do things in nazi russia. You on all right So when america does it went to starts okay so just to get it right off the top. I'm not fair guy. I've been to a handful affairs in my life. I'm not an every summer. Go to the fair Yeah even having the fares here in la orange county fair or elliott county fair growing up. I went to like. Maybe once. In the one time i remember going to it the one indelible memory i have going to it i got lost. Oh i don't know if there's anything worse than getting lost amongst the c of o no huge people when you're eight over by like for they judge fucking cows don't know what the hell's going on just their cows and huge people in your eight and then you turn around. You don't see like your best friend's dad who is supposed to be next to you and then fifteen minutes later. They're standing right next to you. So my fair like all of like my memory is built onto. Like i'm just going to go there and get lawsuit. There's no grounds for any of your choices. Is that right like what's going on. Okay okay okay. All right the one thing. I do appreciate about the fair weird food also fair food. Yep fair like just the idea that the fair is the place. It's almost like the Like whatever what's that like like the slick design the the world's fair. Yeah like almost the place where they used to have like like all this technology. It's like just shifted to like fry. Can we just we batter it. Just yeah well okay well okay deep fried twinkies all right. Well that's the thing. It's a physical thing right. Deep fried donuts and funnel cake that makes sense when they started deep. Frying coke the techno genius. This is tony stark type shit. Like what are you gonna do we have an inert gas that's fry that shit up Right up ended up very six million dollar man. They have the technology. Yeah kellyann we batter gas island because there's also an international there might be a wing where there's always different international choices like. It's different from other grow. Your stomach is is just thinking. Where are we like. We just had crocodile tacos and then we had donuts and then we had fried cheese. Are we in heaven or hell. Body is built whose bodies bill to consume like the craziness of every culture. Same time. But friday i at the state fair minnesota which is mostly the missouri state fair in sedalia and the state fair in minnesota are my two fares. I was at minnesota state fair and found I'm obsessed with finding scraps of paper on the ground with handwriting. And i always wanted to see what ever somebody took the time to write. And minnesota state fair was spiral sheet a spiral notebook the kinda torn out with the rugged edges on the left and the top in blue ballpoint pen food list and then there was twenty things and a half more marked out like dun dun dun and then i don't know the guy died. I guess the guy died dropped the food list on the ground pin just sort of like down the page. Tell my story. Don't make the same mistakes. I don't have the alligator talk. Don't do richard since you are a fair connoisseur. Fair- fairly traveled person. What is the weirdest thing you've had at the fair. Oh i don't know i try not to. I don't get the fried alligator or anything like that. In fact i usually stick to the to the The skewer okay i find. That's the that's your best value for the dollar and it's the one that's least likely to leave you completely and totally bloated and miserable and hating life. Okay because you can get like a grilled skewered kebab type thing. Yeah just like a random leg of a random animal the spin on a wheel and then lop it off and straight from their body onto your plate. No i usually. It's the desert type stuff so it's like a fried oreos the snickers and the fried mars bars. Whatever it happens to be my favorite thing is when you're you're eating out paca in front of an paca like you're right there. There's the learn about the animal and then eat the animal in front of in front of the animal. It's like a scene in the last jedi. When chu is about to bite into that poor the tiered murmur. Choose food. Because i to me. It's very iconic. Yeah it's one of the first things you think of when you go to. The fair is at some at some point. Everyone's going to get hungry. And you gotta make a choice and your choice is usually something weird or something not weird and kind of boring and safe. Which is what i usually end up doing. Oh actually have a list here of some of the food items from the two thousand eighteen. C farrelly's i couldn't find anything more update than this but See how many of these would actually kimmel desk bit. Yeah this is what this is why. I'm not a fair person. Because i'm not a big trying a lot of new things. Oh t like or like from a random place to spell okay. Peanut butter jelly and saracho funnel cake. Not what the mass deep fried cheese. Kurds i would do that. I have to about their fantastic. Yeah i know that's in the weird food thing here Deep fried filet mignon on a stick. Come on that's trump would have. Yeah doesn't it yeah. It's kind of a barbaric tweet minutes. Spaghetti doughnut formed with pasta and topped with pesto carbonara or marriage. That i'm i'm kind of okay with that one. That is a tradition. You've got marconi. Who invented the radio. You've got christopher columbus. You've got the italian guy who invented the spaghetti donut In lasagna nachos wild hostage chips and pesto veggies cheese marinara and meets also pick noughties. Wow this man this. This man is is is inventing genius a culinary g. He looks like luigi. Or mario thoth warrior crazy stuff. He's just taking a of cars and has some set of food on one side. And he's just took like the tacos things that you're guaranteed. The fair is that you're going to get you're going to overpay for your food. You're paying twenty bucks. You're not getting a lunch under twenty bucks and you're getting ridiculous portion sizes. That's that's that's the trade off you're gonna overpay but you're not more food than you can possibly league to settings which doesn't really help you out at all because you wanted throwing half of it away. Yeah that's what it is. When thing i love about that confrontation that one has with a huge era corn or a bucket of chocolate chip cookies. That's a gallon or cookies. You can't and while you're sitting there eating it looking. A clydesdale walks by poops. Turn like right in front you. You're no longer ironically going to fare. You're not the goth kid with the eyeliner and stuff like that. Who's trying to clown on everything you're there and you you've committed to commit to a. Here's here's a question. Is this food fair thing. Something that is pretty uniquely american. Does this speak to like the gluttony of america. Are there like if you go to a fair in belgium. Are they also like over portion. You are they also like just insane with things or is just america has so much that you can go there and afford to. I gotta assume this in anticipation of the harvest festival. Something isn't this what things were. I mean i. I realize like probably merging a couple of different things like agricultural because their culture cultural thing yeah where you would go and bring your price sow and also not talking about your wife but no actual pig and you would go there and you would you know rate solid for sell it for you know however much you could get for. Didn't for magic beans. Yes i think like pie eating contests all the things that they probably had back in the day. Yeah cool all right. Food all right So richard what's your second all right. My second choice are the is the carnival. Fun he games. And the rides midway through the mid way and the carnival. Just everything to do with anything. You have to buy a ticket for him. And that's the first thing about this. Is they make you do the tickets so that you have no idea how much anything costs you know if it's like fifty cents a ticket. You're sitting there and you're gone to the ferris wheel and you got your you and your wife and your two kids and it's twelve tickets each. You think to yourself okay. What it's twelve tickets but it's big ferret giant three hundred foot tall. Whatever the hell. It is sure. I'll go on then you think about and it's like i just paid or it's twenty tickets. I just paid ten bucks a person. I can almost go to the movies for this much. Yeah paid to get on this one. I re wheel ride. Oh wow i never thought of that. And it's the kind of a kind of economic x. abstraction. Yeah i just assumed because they don't want you giving a crackhead money and give it to this guy in the he's probably sober. Yeah well this leads into my pick. Which is sketchy. s rides sketchy s people. That run the rice. Okay sure and how when. Emily night purchase a car seat for our newborn baby. We research things read reviews within. We won one at the can tumble all of our friends. What kind did you have all these different things. You go to a carnival. And then there's this like the rambler and you're like i guess i'm getting on that thing and you don't think twice about in like your sense of like danger in sense of self being. Yeah and you see the people that are like you know. They're operating every machinery but like Why yeah whoa. How did how did these two how these things get together. It's it doesn't matter. What kind of fair or carnival you go to. In that respect you can go to the biggest ones. I'm sure that they're regulated. Probably not or you go to the ones that like over at like the north hollywood park. There's no regulation i mean. They're just like things are just like. There's a doc this missing an eye. That's going around in a circle like a teacup is this and people are just like carnival the mid way as you call it just has a free pass for whatever. Yeah playing games at winning nine dollars stuffed animals. That cost nine cents. Yup and you're just like yeah all the all the games are rigged you have to know that going in There's just in unless you're doing one of the games where like six people play than somebody who's going to be a winner. Do those games. You get good at those games. Somebody's gonna win. Yeah there's the one where you have to throw the billiard ball into like the it's got the little cutout holes and it gets progressively. Oh and every time you throw it into the whole year little horse horse that's Corresponds with it and it goes up by the number of slots you how far down you got it. And i'm really good at that show. And i wasn't even waiting for. Which is the crazy carnival. Game that richard is great. Elsa very good at it and it's good though because it's because you somebody's gonna win. This is the basketball thing where the view go and look at it from the side. It has been hammered into roughly the shape of the indianapolis motor speedway. Your basketball not happening. The love there to be like the carnival inspector that comes along and he's wearing dark glasses or like monocle little pork pie hat just goes around and he has like one of those like measuring tool measure z. Calipers basketball is ten inches in diameter. And this whole that fits in is nine point nine and it is illegal. The guy says he's thirty. Three ski ball tokens well. I might look the other way a little larger than i. I can only be carnot carnival right alligator like on his on his face. I remember being a kid. And i wasn't there that day. Someone got their leg ripped off at the big fresno farah at one of the rides. It was this ride. That was all it was like a loop is a big. Would you just go upside down and backwards like a like a roller coaster. But if you could picture there's no there's just a track that just went. All you did is just going uphill and his back down and apparently created too much centrifugal force and the boards were shitty. Girls laid went through the board and got hit in the track. And now i. I have been eventually deep fried. That tried get a later sar dear. We could back on but the batter. Awful yeah okay. Carnival midway sketchy rides. there was one at the minnesota state fair. That was improbably the port. I don't know what this ride was not kind of all the rights looked like they were towed out on a trailer like they're long kind of narrow or can be folded into such this one for some reason Year after year there will be a different face on it and and but the face was always a couple years behind and this one was magnum. Pi and there was like two thousand seven or something like that and it was a fresh coat of paint. It was magnum pi. There's also At the minnesota kid's fair. There's always the kids zone. The team zone and supposed to be the cool edgy thing where the young people but like everything else. It's always ten years behind like those south park is like their big thing right now. Yeah yeah yeah. Or as i discovered is that there are young people from all around rural areas who come to exhibit livestock or things like that and they're not always up there not as in the same tempo as as pop culture is the city kids. Who knows maybe it was. Just just good for them. What were you going to say for your third one. Michael no halftime. Oh god i. we're at halftime. So i've standing in line and there's a mini doughnuts with my name on those mentone. It's big donuts. Guess what the smaller. They're healthier for you this year the smaller but while i'm meaning those and these other guys are getting their own stuff. I'm going to ask you something. What at pronto. Pup dog once flower. What's going pronto. Pups lower ducks clear for that. Would have been weird if i'm going to ask you. What's the difference between A podcast that has a thriving wonderful dialogue with fans. And it doesn't joe rogan. That doesn't we do that. Joe yeah and we're gonna ask you to take advantage that dialogue on facebook. Instagram twitter suggest new topics that we can discuss and We would love to hear from you. And we'd like maybe can suggest what is going to be the topic for our two hundred seventy fifth episode. Gosh next episode. That's the next. Oh my god so exciting. Wow you've got to. We got one hundred. We had like a big celebration in your backyard barbecue. Yeah friends over. And now at nine hundred seventy five but he just the top. It's different types of insulation. Throwing shoes owens corning with the pink panther three three. Got to make your so. Do that please do that. Let us know that you're out there. We would ship and then also download review past episodes. That would be super cool right. We're dealt with a halftime reiter. Next dr michael. Why go one full okay. This is one for my wife and ice. I told her what we're talking about. And she's like well. The first thing i think about is cute boys from the next county over that i've never seen before so when she was a teenager and going to the county fair. Wow she grew up in indiana indiana. Where like she saw the people from her high school and it was like a high school that used to be. Probably i think it was also the junior high and it's just like sectioned off and the counties are smaller. Things are all combined into one area so when the county fair came into town and you went you got told and you got to see all the cute boys and i think it was. It feels like something that you kinda hinted at earlier. Where like these were big events where you bring in livestock you bring in you. Have these big things. Where a meeting of many counties where people bring their wares and people meet and congregate and experience people from the same state but different parts of the hardly see on a daily life and obviously we live in modern times. So it's not like you can't see anybody by car or by whatever. But i don't know in the mid nineties or whenever in early two thousands mid ninety s when she was going to fairs indiana. She's like it was so it was so big. 'cause like you've seen you've seen all all seen them all in your town you've seen them all in these little areas up in but when they're all there together they're all these new faces and everything's everything's whatever. I thought that was so i don't know i. It speaks definitely to a different world in different lifestyle that i've ever lived but it it probably is really real to so many people probably. It's it's a bigger experience than i can recognize. And i think that these are bigger things than i would ever really know. La or sorry being in la. It's like you go to the fair. It's the thing to do on a it's in town for a month or however long it's right or can you make out a particular weekend or whatever and i don't know if i don't go. It's not the end of the world or i didn't even make those decisions. I sure more teenagers more kids were like we gotta go to the fair. Yeah the agrarian legacy means so. Many people come from these rural communities that aren't oriented around industry entertainment or whatever the heck it is that we do here and to those families. This is the biggest thing they're going to do all year. And oh my gosh. Yeah to to see. I remember that was true for me going to the local theme park seeing girls that were in my class. Yes it was something that was like i definitely remember. I was gonna say trying to awkwardly hit on these girls at when i was in junior high early. High school yeah but it was more like awkwardly pretending or thinking about what i would do if i was going to hit on them if i actually had enough courage to go talk to. Yes yes awkwardly. Throwing a wadded up napkin in their direction. Yes that's about as good as i could do Manfredini your third choice. Third choice is the amphitheater. Oh fun so every year at the fair you end up having not just not just the carnival rides. Not just the pavilion with the The tape that police settings championship place settings which i do love by the way Not just the food. You also have the entertainment. Yeah and it is a unholy menagerie of everything that used to be cool about ten years ago. Yeah on my list is the rock band. That's never coming back from the fair. Yes i think we're on the same wavelength. We've at the la fair. We've gone a couple of times to bull writing which is always fun share. I enjoy the bull riding because you know sometimes the bull wins. Yeah that's okay But it's always you know you've got. It's this mix of like the real trashy stuff like the demolition derby and the motorcycle stunt team or whatever it happens to be the vigna. You've got the bands that are either ten years past their sell date and they haven't quite figured out that it's it's over for them or the ones that are like twenty five thirty years old and they just realize i am fair ban now. Oh i believe mike Mark mcgrath from sugar. Ray i was gonna say quote where he said. Yeah if you can smell funnel cake will be playing there. Which i thought was a really great insight the line. It's always like the blue oyster cult. Where there's like one member of stir laughed. Cheap trick. Plays a lot lot lot affairs. So is that is that level. panel's sticks. Emily who i was obviously my my conciliatory and asking her advice. On tuesday when i saw def leppard their new that they're just They're just playing the county fair in indiana at some point just like oh and like i don't know i think about like l. a. And i was looking over like la county fair and we're obviously in a much different town. So maybe it doesn't hit quite the same. Maybe there's more things that are a bit more current pit bull guy that's playing not just you know like he's still active. I think a place like the la county fairs probably trying to turn it more into a Not quite lollapalooza or coachella type thing but at least try to be like listen week. We can do better than sticks. Yeah we can do better than america. Who's actually playing anthony county flare in fair in two weeks. I'd say that eight thirty start okay so you can get up there. Fly fourteenth all right. Yeah america's playing. Well he he. Jeff yeah you know what x and los lobos the blasters are playing the orange shared a nagas. First holy crap. That's why aren't we go into that. One why what are they doing fair. Courtesy that that's one of those bands where it's one of those every once in a while. Something that'll sneak in just like i think my brother saw x. And the blasters play disneyland at his graduation every once in a while like. I get like a notification through some app that i have or whatever and it's like the english beat is playing like i'll be. Oh they're always playing and you always playing the same place on the pier. The pier is the equivalent of playing paying fair. sure Well hey by the way. The english beat playing the orange county. Fair are the dave wakeling in random. Assortment of yeah some middle age. Okay you know at the minnesota fair. I got stuck stuck playing the minnesota. Don't think prince with still life. Would he ever get to that level. Let's say prince. God rest his soul live to seventy one and beyond but let's he was seventy one the prince ever play the minnesota county fair. I don't think he would. I think prince stopped being prince for awhile. Prince wasn't even prince. He was a symbol like at some point. I think the thing is the county fair pulls everybody in with the beatles with the beatles be playing a county fair if no one had died and they reunited at some point high at twenty five years. Well the rolling stones never did Point so who played who then minnesota yes cayenne not the guests who played the minnesota county fair minnesota state fair and it was one of the things that changed the entertainment presentation because the big amphitheater they're smaller stages but the big big amphitheater is so huge it because it was designed for people to see spectacles like civil war battles and biblical dramas with out in in bendall was but then when they realized. Okay there's this huge axed let's Seventy six or whatever the year the who zeppelin analysis group were like touring around like. Let's get these guys in there and we'll pack it and then after that. There's there's no going back we're not gonna have thirty chariots reenacting the battle of whatever you know. That's not going to be what we do anymore. But yeah it's so weird to think of what the entertainment was was. Reciprocal worry enactments weird thing. Weird harding the red sea in and biblical things. And why it's funny. I i guess they do have these huge spaces for motocross. These different things. i wouldn't even thought about. I'm probably like a like a rodeo. I'm sure have sure they said bull riding like a maze and put like someone in like a minute tar outfit to get someone out. Pick someone from the audience just escape and then it is a believe. That's an american gladiators event by the roman calcium for a couple of weeks in august of of yelling. The missouri state fair you were talking about the livestock. Judging and the barn from us always fascinating My sister and i were lost. My dad had drunk drove is monte carlo. All the way to sedalia missouri we were going to go to the fair and My sister and we couldn't find her dad. We're kind of walk into there. We're in a livestock barn. It was the medium size. It wasn't horses bulls goats and sheep. And i just hear joe joe joe calling out. I'm looking for joe. I realize it's a goat. Says joe clues so person saying joe. Good story right yeah fans. That's my plane. We found found my Okay so you one more. I have one more okay. Do so you've been at the farrell day and it's about four o'clock you've been touring the the bataan death march at this point between the livestock standing in line for carnival ride. Yeah doing that new. The new products pavilion. Oh yeah were you have to wear. It's like all the all the as seen on. Tv cool actually in real life. You might see the chamois guy actually selling something if you're lucky and you've been walking for hours and you get out from out new products pavilion and it goes from air conditioning. To about one hundred and fifty degrees. Yeah and you're tired and you're ready to throw in the white. You're right throw the towel. Raise the white flag. Then you see it that machine that you put the quarter in and you put your feet on it and it starts vibrating. Oh the vibrating foot massage. Never heard of this. he hasn't. You've never seen the vibrating massage machine. No something like the The mall of massages your nuts in the chair. I don't think it's supposed to that. Besides your chair. I don't believe. I don't think you're using the chair. Formerly your closing ma'am. I'm going to be here in the chair. So it's just like this. It's it's like the seat and then at the bottom it's got a metal plate in the metal plate vibrates really quick. Okay and it is the most relaxing thing it will reinvigorate your feet like that. Wow it is. It is far and away. The best value ride is getting up foot massage at about four o'clock. When you're you're you can go for another four hours after getting one of those things. I'm telling you they never had those your fair. Well do you think a hundred years ago was. The person wasn't a mechanical thing was a guy just guy with a lot of coffees. Tickle your feet. No i've never seen that Yeah i think there's a is at the la county fair or whatever. Is there like a mini version of the space needle. We just go up and can look out They have the they have like the like the gondola thing or you can like do the ride from one end of the fair to the other and it's like the yeah. It's like the ski lift. Well don't be worried. We put a new clothesline on that this this year. Remember the guy with one arm that crane. We've well he can't get a gun so don't worry about that background. Parts of his background his background check that he passes the one that he can't do. But you can crank thing. Great never cease checked out on that here here. I'll show it to you. This is going to be great radio but there it is. Oh okay. that's nice. Yeah it's called the this all the footsie witty i believe. Yes that's how you know it's new technology on might defendant did not do the crime. You're accusing him of well. You say that he was doing this. I have proof that he was on the new invention. The footsie two thousand or so you. You've heard this episode and you realize what dire straits we're in topics dire straits are playing it again but we. We had a blast. I of last listening to choices. And i'm going to pick As my job fair food do that Mid credible midway in reds. That are are broken while you ride them. And i just think what's kind of sexy cute boys from next county over and also amphitheater. So yeah. I hope that works for you guys. You don't i don't care care. This is this this is how it ends not with a bang but with no i do care This has been the mount rushmore of the fair. Enjoy the fair. And i wear sunscreen. Don't go check yourself.

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"What you need to know is brought to you by morongo. Play it safe. Good times laura. What do you got all right. So this show is known for one thing. Oh maybe more than one thing but we love food we all love food so food friday starts tomorrow so if you guys have a restaurant you guys want to shout out. Make sure you guys hit me up at unique you end up q. Underscore and espn la espn. Los angeles on twitter givers recommendations. Because espn la is going to go pull up and have swag for you guys. We picked that restaurant there. You go Make sure you get in on that conversation so that is what you need to know. That's it brought to you by. Morongo played safe. Good time speaking of food. There was this distinct trending on social media today about burgers and the the title was and it was a picture of just a burger on a bun with nothing on it and the bunn was off and it said you can only add four toppings to your burger. What are those for toppings. okay. So l z granderson. I don't care if it's a veggie burger. I don't care if you want the carnivore. Meat burger or you wanna beyond meat burger. What are the four extra toppings that are absolutely one thousand percent going on your burger and you can only pick four. So i have a patty and up to buns correct. The rest is yours. It is a blank up. Pallet basically like canvas for your county all right. I am a big fan of grilled onions I am a fan of cheese. Okay what kind of cheese do you want to get it. You wanna you wanna go into the kind of cheesy like your. You know what. I've yet to eat a piece of cheese on my burger. That turned me off. Okay goes for blue. That goes four. We'll pepper pepper jack. All of them Got cheese grilled onions. Okay so that's yeah. I mean that's pretty good before gotta be on four four catch up on there yet no catch up to barbecue sauce. I mean sometimes i do. Sometimes i don't sometimes with that loss you know don't do they call an island. Red spread think About some mushrooms. Get healthy extra healthy. Well no i'm making a patty. Melt is what i'm doing. Oh unhealthy if you're if you're listening. I got the grilled onions mushrooms. I got the cheese normally is a swiss cheese. But i don't really care. She's the cheese. And then i don't know man. I catch up. That's fine. that's i'm not. I'm not super obsessive person when it comes to my burgers. Okay okay. kaplan i'm gonna take Pickles okay take a thousand islands spread. Some sort of either in and out or mcdonald's would be like special sauce. I will have american cheese preferably good with any cheese. But i mean if it's just a standard burger and you're telling me to throw down some jesus straight. American cheese is fine by me. I'm low rent like that and And then lastly i'm with zee on this. I like the grilled onions. And i think it's it's announced fault by the way i mean i love him but the way they make them and they put them in there. It's like i don't want him without it. So pickles grilled onions cheese. And some kind of thousand l. undressing. Let's do it okay Louder ambre geisha definitely grilled onions. I love grilled onions swiss cheese. Now we're talking. We're getting we're getting really into the okay lettuce late. Yuga led to a half two in the sauce here. I was between ketchup or barbecue sauce. Okay so i'm gonna do. I'm spice it up and say barbecue sauce okay. That's cool greg. We're all kind of the same here grilled onions pickles thousand island and munster cheese. Okay i'm going a little off the board here. I'm gonna be gone mentioned bacon. Come on baking for baking is one of mine for sure. Okay baking vermont shedder. You gotta give me. If i'm gonna get shake my jeez. Yeah be bernie sanders. Go make it for me. Okay vermont cheddar. Okay you can go to your local vines or albertsons or a ralphs or pavilions. Make by may have it. You know you don't have vermont cheddar. Look on no have argued. That doesn't have it okay. But ralph's and von's and albertson's pavilions. They're going to have it okay But so baking. Vermont cheddar okay. That's key. I'm going to go the thousand island. I do like the thousand island on it. And here's the last thing see because lc through mushrooms fine. I walked got the avocado. Okay you gotta go some avocado on that. Okay it's pretty good. It's pretty good. I mean the bacon. Avocado burgers are good burger. Yeah gotta go with bacon cheese avocado so anyway. Hit us up with your burger. Mix eight seven seven hundred ten. Espn eight seven seven. Seven three seven seven six right so foodi fridays. Laura where did they hit you again at. You wanna shut out these places u. n. w. e. q. underscore on twitter and then our twitter at es espn los angeles under at the end of your twitter. Handles just to killer. Kaplan you asked this question about lebron james in our show meeting today at night talk. Talk to us about what you said. Or here's what i said. And you guys tell me all right. Everybody jumping on. This here goes so i watch these laker games and anthony davis is on the bench and anthony davis seems to be an active participant in. What is happening whether it be cheerleading for his guys doing a little coaching talking bottom line he's there and he's in on yet. Lebron is not there in last night. Lebron started tweeting to the spectrum. Television crew like yo. Can you guys put the score up on the screen. So he's directing now which is another skill that score wasn't on the screen and it wasn't necessary now. If lebron were at the game you know what he could do. Is you can look up at the scoreboard and go. I see the score correct. Bron doesn't come to the games correct. And i gotta say i question. Why is anthony davis there. Why is lebron not there. And here's my thought. If i'm the leader of the team. I wanna be there to be with my guys to show them support to say. Hey i'm going to be here with you guys. Every night can't contribute physically. But i'm going to coach you up. I'm going to hype you up. I'm gonna be here. I'm going to support you guys. And he's home tweeting now. What's he doing at home getting treatment having his besides therapist his chef. Whatever it is. I'm sure whatever he's doing he's probably thinking to himself. What i'm doing now is helping me get back on the floor faster. Just asking the question. Why not there. Do people think he should be there. I'll tell you. I think he should be there. Okay now let me jump in real quick. And i love to get thoughts on this. Okay number one. I do believe he's getting round the clock treatment. I'd start there. So i think your hunch in that regard cap is correct number number. Two what i would say is. I don't think he wants to be there. Because then that means guys in those post game interviews are going to be asked by dave mcmenamin and you know ramona shelburne. If she's on their. Rachel nichols who else is on. That beat Bill laura right like you know they're gonna ask yo so lebron's year and you know what's up. How's he feeling they don't wanna get those questions. So that's one and number three and this is going to be the one. I think you and i agree on. Lebron was twenty eighteen and that thing went sideways a little bit at times. He he's like. I'm like okay. I cannot keep my mannerisms and my reaction to myself. So what is bad. He's gonna look like damn. This is bad. And i don't know if he wants to do that because it's going to get it's going to become a story. So l z. Are you feeling me on those three absolutely particularly door number three you know. He's not one of those poker face sort of guys when it comes to these moments right and you know if you watch a lot of shows like those reality competition shows where like the experts are judging. Yeah they can't control themselves either right. Tyra banks next top model. She makes faces Christina aguilera or jennifer hudson during the singing shows. If they didn't quite do it right they were making faces. Like it's hard when you know how something is supposed to be done right to keep it together. When is being done wrong. So i do think that is a smart move by him. Because you don't want you know already fragile season to have an injection of media. Sort of theories and conspiracies floating around being asked about that nonstop but he's also more importantly getting around the clock treatment right. He was probably in a chamber tweeting about today so it doesn't bother me that he's not there because i know he's there if you know what i'm saying. Who do you think is happier that he's not there. Is it the players themselves. Or is it frank vogel because if lebron's there he may be quiet please sit. Let me let me know. I don't think he's that he does. He will have some input for sure like in the sense of like talking to dudes on the side right. You know what i'm saying. I think that that is an ankle. Sprain right let me take you by. What is rice rest. Next is what l. ovation. Yeah you know so like you're going to gain that's not kanye knock your ankle elevated the blood rush into it all that so. I'm perfectly fine when the him. Not being there right and you know what else is going to happen on. The next i take steven a. And max breakdown lebron and his reactions suicide teammates losing by twenty. The thing is when you're lebron you're gonna get people responding no matter what to do. You don't show up. You gotta right so you. He has to make a choice as ranch reactions. he's go. he's comfortable with because he can't make a move without it being analyzed so he's decided this is going to be the move and i think the best of the to look cap you know. L z co was the editor of. Espn the magazine the nba. Like i am telling you there is never never been an athlete that has been covered. Like this dude fair statement jim carey in the truman show. Okay that movie like that is him and it doesn't matter what he does what he says it could be the most innocuous thing in the world and it becomes a story. Well i mean look. He is the biggest sports star on the planet. Right who also is very willing to share strong opinions about things that in previous generations. Athletes were told not to do that. So he's not just a great basketball player and a great brand and economy all unto himself. He is a a a super gigantic larger than life figure. That is true but in the locker room you know. He's the leader of the team and him. Not being on the sideline you may say. Hey look you're wrong. He's in a boot he can't take the walk and we don't know that he's not. I don't know any of this stuff. You know what i mean. He may be at home icing elevating hyperbaric chamber ring. Whatever it is. He may be doing just saying that. I see a there. And i know he's been taken shots before games and he's probably working with the training staff and so on but i just wonder why lebron chooses not to show up and be there with his team. That's all it's a business decision to elle's these point and that's basically a smart one. Yeah coming up next. There's a business decision that is about to go down with one of the football teams. This is a story. That's only going to mushroom and cap as my guide. Tony really likes to say this was your account. So we're going to dive into this on the other side. We'll be back in two and a half minutes so they have it. Nine o'clock saturday on the espn los angeles. Social media accounts travis ireland part for kaplan bergman on the call the law firm of yes a big deal big big big deal speaking of not as big a deal. It's always funny right. Because i have family on the east coast and they don't. They don't understand earthquakes. You know what i mean. And it's like so. There was a three point two earthquake this morning like six something in the morning. Right in like the epicenter was like huntington park here in the city. So i wake up. This morning was like oh so there was an earthquake on the internet. Everything okay and. I'm like knob. Roads three point two. I slept through. That don't realize that it's pretty hilarious to me. You know that they don't grasp that concept but it's funny. It made me think of a stand up comedy that robin williams did about living in california and earthquakes. Lord you have that. Because i want to hear that real quick. Do let me hear the weird thing is. I can't give them. I live in california. I live on god's sketch it's crazy. We have earthquakes every other day. And you get kind of blase like two point five not bad five point eight never. We should have drinks outside. Let's go and they always talk about the big one. I was in a seven point. Five earthquake that was moment. That was that was not the big one really. What's the big one. Be well in the big one. If there is the big earthquake nevada will be wine country number one. And when will the big wouldn't be where we have a window of opportunity. What will be could be tomorrow or ten thousand years enough. Well can heads up. It is true we always hear about the big one is like joe a seven point five. You know isn't the big one is like damn you know there was a famous call. You guys would not know this. Nobody will know that you got to check this out on youtube though. If you carry. It's it's very funny. This is the old hollywood park so where so fly. Stadium stands now the old hollywood park and the guy who used to be the announcer. There was a guy named vic stauffer and in the middle of a race. Those grandstands start shaking. Oh my goodness. We're in the middle of earthquake and the number one horse takes the lead. It goes right back into the play by play and then it starts really rolling folks. If i don't survive tell parents. I love him and number. One crosses the finish line one of the funniest things in the middle of an earthquake. This guy continues to call this horse race. It's awesome you can find it on youtube. It's hilarious that's funny. I'll check it out. You mentioned so fi stadium so one of the tenets at sofi stadium is going through some stuff and it's not the rams okay so cap what is going on with the chargers ownership situation. It feels like some of the stuff. I'm reading and as you're you were talking about the story this morning on our text chat as well but capital with you. It feels a little tenuous because there are some issues between the folks spanos family. Well let me start off by saying this when the chargers decided to move from san diego. La it was because the brothers and sisters. There's four children total. They were all fighting with each other. The one part of the family was saying no we stay and the other part of the family was saying no we go to l. a. We increase the value of the franchise. And eventually we get out and sell the story that comes out today that the owner of the chargers this guy dean spanos one of the worst owners in all of pro sports. His sister. this is. They've gone to mediation so they've tried to handle this behind closed doors. Now it comes out in public that she's essentially taking the family to court and here's why because they're borrowing so much money that they're creating so much debt and their wealth is all wrapped up in the organization and she wants the team to be sold so that she can cash out and then the chargers go into complete damage control mode later in the day where the three remaining siblings say. No we're on the same page and she's now become the black sheep of the family. Well let me tell you what she did. The sister by the way dean is the brother deah. Da is the sister. So here's what she did. She went out and hired a guy named adam streisand. And apparently he's the attorney. That helped steve bomber. Get the clippers. Help jeanie buss. Get control of the lakers. So i don't know adam streisand barbra. But i don't know i but i i can see his resume. He gets stuff done and so. The chargers have been borrowing money because they like flying on private jets and being you know members a fancy country clubs and living in mansions but they don't have the cash you know. They've created all this massive debt and this has become super ugly. Because you have wealth and you have nfl football. And you have los angeles and you have all the factors that make up a really sexy salacious kind of episode of ray donovan and let me tell you something this is gonna get super super ugly one little detail. She told that he the the owner dean planned on selling the team in twenty twenty four so he ordered according to the sister he had his plans as to when he was going to unload this team really really fascinating and ugly and i loved it. I do like rich people's problems. That's why i watch all those movies with a nicole kidman because she's perpetually like a rich white woman in trouble. I love those movies. And i love this drama because it has nothing to do with me. You're not going to sit back and just watching them. Vote this and We spent a great deal of time talking about how much money the owners have in these sports. We don't spend a lot of time talking. About how much leveraged in order to have these teams and we know that the owner for the houston. Rockets. is heavily leveraged. All my god told him for and we have no idea. How much of what. Dea is saying about the semi finances is true or not but certainly you can figure out in a if you move to an expensive part of the world. And then there's a pandemic that slows down all economy That those two things could put you in a situation that could leverage you heavily and have the a worried. All i want is for j and snoop and dry and and maybe lebron to buy the team. That's all i want. You want to buy the chargers. Yes i want them to be involved with the ownership group. I want some local folks. I want some rich folks. And i ain't afraid to say it. I wanna to see the minorities in ownership. I want more more minorities in ownership. This is a real opportunity if it comes to pass because normally what we hear is well. Those teams really come for sale. They passed down to family and the family we know outdated brother who tried to buy the team in the nfl from minnesota. Try to act like he didn't have enough money. Meanwhile there's all these other teams they have twenty different white news coverage when it together be an owner of one teen but when the brother tried to do it you said it down so this is a new day and if this is truly an opportunity got the chargers become for sale. I would love to see some local people be involved with that specifically people of color because oh by the way the nfl has one. what else. Let me tell you something you want. You want to hear something interesting though. Is that the very interesting very interesting. I found what you said very interesting. And by the way. If i were lebron who just bought a piece of of the red sox i actually think if i were lebron right now i've been listening to you going. You know what he's right he's right. We need black owners in pro sports teams. I'm here in l. And i plan on going anywhere. I could buy this team. I could very easily put a group together. But here's the issue. I'll tell you a quick story a couple years ago. I was in dallas. I always do these. Dallas cowboy on thanksgiving day games and i was talking to jerry jones on the field and he's always very good about his time and he said. Listen if stan kroenke was not currently an owner of an nfl football team we'd be recruiting a guy like that. Well it seems like they're already recruiting a guy. Like jeff bezos worth almost two hundred billion dollars and they kind of figure while we're already in business with him because he's got amazon in this new tv deal and he's ultra ultra crazy wealthy so to your point about the old boys club you can only imagine how they would love to recruit a guy like bazo walk through the door. Boom take that thing. Write a check and let's get on with our business. But i like your ideals eating a lot of the. Nfl needs it. it really does. It's time right it really. Does i mean baseball. Could use it as well. They got their own issues too but the nba. We all know how was built. We all know how the nfl was built. So is past time now for these opportunities to become available to everybody and not just secluded to the old boys club. Yep but you gotta admit and you said it best. Look what a great thing to sit there with your popcorn fitness line waiting. The sister has completely outed. The brother tried to fix it and mediation but now it's completely public. Are you kidding me. These going down limit. Give me some tamron hall. Gimme gimme somebody. Who's going to sit back. And just you know. I don't wanna see an oprah. Because she'll have you crying and crying won't be as salacious you'll make it all heartfelt and stuff. I want salacious. So gimme somebody. Who has a hint of ratchet. That can really pull it out. You know it's like going Was dean always spending money. He didn't have. You know those kind of questions i want that. That's what i wanna see right. Think about this. I don't know about you guys but in families that have businesses together oftentimes it can eventually get gnarly and then relationships are destroyed forever thinking about this guy. His parents made all this money. His father made all this money and by the way. That's another whole controversy. How he made this money but the father made the money. Set up the four kids. They never had to work a day in their lives. They were born with silver spoons in their mouths. They say on third base. These kids were born and now the mother and father dead and gone and the brothers and sisters are fighting over the families one remaining asset which has all of their wealth wrapped up in it and sister wants to cash out for about six or seven hundred million and everybody else's like no. We can't do that because where we all gonna work because all we do not very well by the way. Yeah yeah well clearly. That's the case they don't they don't work very well but it is a fascinating thing to watch. I think all of this stuff is going to be pretty wild to see how it all unfold. Because we've been through this to your point. Can you mentioned some of the people that this lawyer has represented right. It was jeannie during the whole stuff with jim bomber with his fight for the clippers. Like this is someone who get stuff done right. And if he gets it done for her then the team will probably be for sale and she doesn't want them using the valuation of forbes. Two point six billion dollars. That's what the form says. The chargers are now worth now. They delay she doesn't want that valuation. She says we put it out on the open market. We let people bid on it. All two point six becomes three point eight instead of instead of me getting my twenty five percent. Twenty five percent. Is that much more right. One hundred percent person twenty five percent but just a quick update lebron james posted on instagram about five hours ago with a pitcher himself and one of his children but he is with the boot. Okay he goes. He's wearing a boot according to his according to lebron james. He's working he's wearing abrego. Thank you l. c. church and he's just ripped who six pack is better z. Lebron's are yours. Oh come on come on. They're not even a question. Is it coming up next big deal or no deal. We are back in three minutes. Thank you very much chris. Where do i want to start with. Scott we'll go with you. first cody. Bellinger has weighed in on the ban. The shift talk and said. I don't think you need to ban the shift. But i think infielders need to stay on the dirt says the twenty nine. Nfl defeat shortstop should be in right field taking our hits away. Save big deal or no deal. It's no deal with him. I hate the shift absolutely hated. I saw the dodgers it a bunch. Today i hate it. I absolutely hate the shift. I hate it to the left side. I hate to the right side. It just doesn't look like baseball. And what bothers me about it. And it's not that i'm like anti analytics. It's just that you study the numbers and then you say okay. Everybody this guy is gonna hit it to the right side. Everybody shift and it works often than not and i hate it because it just doesn't look like real baseball like every i basically be here second short third everybody being your position but i hate the shift guys. That can't hit the opposite direction. I'm i don't like is who see a two three zone and issue outlawed because you can't hit a jumper like so i'm i'm fine with the shift I don't love this shift. either. Though i'm going to say no deal i don't love it. I feel like i get your point. Should be able to hit the other way. But i just think that it's easier said than done when the ball the way guys pitched now like it's just the pitching has gotten so good in major league baseball like there's every staff feels like it has multiple guys that are throwing like ninety seven ninety eight ninety nine. It's pretty wild. So i'm going go no deal greg. What's next the next one onto waiting. And i waited just. It doesn't always come other things going on laura. i feel. I was thinking of sunlight. That was the spotlight young for like two months. All right extraneous. Now you will. He allows you to play onto the next one. Got the manda. You're training somebody right now. Surprise the assistant program directors and saying things like. Don't train them. During the you know the afternoon drive show wow. Add this is a big deal. They should be trained on it. So l z amazon has hired a group called veritas which is a twitter army of that has picked up. It was picked for their sense of humor to troll critics and defend. jeff bezos. Say big deal or no deal no deal. This is no you know business. Wise okay to tax the rich and pay for the infrastructure. Right when you have money to do stuff like that then. I take some of and fix potholes in our streets when you're worth one hundred and ninety billion dollars and you can buy an nfl football team for three point. Five billion with the cash in your pocket. The mind helping a little you know. Deal on me yeah. Exactly it's actually. I'm going to go big deal. Because i think you gotta have some kind of psychotic ego that you got to build a social media team to do battle on your behalf. I mean come on dude. Are you that you really that uptight really care that much grow some thick skin dog. Yeah we've looked i mean. Look the who's the mets guy. Steve cohen right. The guy who Who bought the mets. That's his name right. He's big hedge fund guy. Yeah well remember during the game. Stop stuff he'd you know deactivated his twitter account for a while just because people were getting on him so these guys don't have a thicker skin as you think but go ahead. What's next greg. The next one zero go all right. So george will start with you on this one roy williams. The coach of unc has retired today with nine hundred and three winds and apparently one of the reasons that he is retiring is because he's upset with the way that the ncw basketball is is headed and the rash of transfers is a big deal or no deal. Yeah i'm going to say. I'm gonna say big deal i although i always find this stuff silly because a coach can literally go wherever the hell he wants. You know what i mean. And we don't give them any grief but when these kids try to move on from the situation there could be a million reasons including by the way that the coach left that actually recruited them and they wanna move on somewhere else. Yeah i got. This makes my skin crawl sometimes but I'm going to say big deal. Go next who's next. No no no. No no i scott go let me jump in. I'll jump in here here. Goes so i wonder what's going to happen in six months to a year at north carolina. Does roy williams retire because he knows something's wrong. Something's going on. Because i'm a little suspicious number one number two as for all this transfer nonsense. I'm not buying that. I'll tell you why first of all if you follow any of this. Nca transfer stuff transfer portal. Today is just jam packed with kids leaving all kinds of schools. Even guys there's a guy at creighton who started and played thirty one games this year and he's transferring. There are guys who are leaving. Kansas because bill self has told them you'll never play here for me. You'd be better served going somewhere else so. Nca free agency is alive and well and it's never been quite like this where the athletes can move without penalty so for me. I'm not buying roy. Williams is nonsense. And i'm saying it's a big deal I don't really care what roy has to say. Because y- if he was retiring because he's had a great run he wants to spend time with his family wants to do other things fine but don't tell me you're mad at the kids that's just trash. So what deal is that. How do you say roy williams trashing. This game is a big deal or no deal. Which deal is it just a deal. Let's just how about this. You deal mr williams like blaming. The kids for doing coaches have been able to do their entire profession outta here with trash upset about the transferring. I got to retire nonsense. Yeah i would not be surprised that we find out later. He paid his kids or something and got busted. Got in trouble. Newark's coming right. I mean it happens. All the time happens all the time exactly especially they offer a bogus reasons for retirement out of out of nowhere. What's next greg so lakers. Gm rob pelinka has listed his newport beach home and apparently going to be moving. We talked so much about athletes selling and buying homes and in certain places and all these different. You know different. Things is following sports figures home. Buying and selling trends is a big deal or no deal. Elsie this real estate. He's making making some cash. How long as drive from newport beach all the way to el segundo much is for three point. Nine five million. you know. that's an hour plus drive man. That's not a short commute every day. And i'm sure he bought it when the kids were at a different age stage and all the other two and he was at a different age and stage two so real estate your money. I'm going to say i'm gonna say a. It is a big deal when it's athlete related. Usually because the you know some sometimes that means something. You know what i mean. It means that the person may be going or coming. You know somewhere But in this case it's no deal. I mean i get it like i. I went down to the. Oc to meet with a client here on the station last week. And yeah it it. It was an hour to get to get down there. So i that traffic even during a pandemic has still takes a minute to get down to even with no traffic because the mileage so once the world is back to normal. That's gonna take even longer. So you know rob manhattan beach baby you right down the street. You know once you get there like manhattan hermosa. Did you saw on the strand man. Some nice the kids have the beaches their backyard. I'm not a real estate agent but there's clearly plenty here that i'm sure would love to sell you all talk. I'm gonna say no deal. I mean do your point george. When athletes list their homes for sale oftentimes people start to make assumptions. They're leaving but in this case it's kinda like more private. It feels like he not going anywhere but listen the real estate market. I'm no real estate expert harley. I just happened to enjoy following it. And i gotta say what's going on right now. In our world. With the limited number of homes for sale and the way prices are skyrocketing and the fact that interest rates are still ridiculously low. It makes for an interesting time to be trying to buy or looking to cash out and sell. So that's what he's trying to do. That is big deal or no deal. They go so coming up next. We got one more segment to go here. We've got some big stuff to discuss about cap and greg. They doing something for the people this weekend. We'll tell you what that's all about in a couple of seconds or excuse me in a couple minutes plus we will tell you a story that man you are not gonna believe. I'm telling you the next time you go to the grocery store you are going to be like. Oh hell no. I'm not doing that so we'll get to that in a couple minutes sadat cap with you here on seven ten. Espn so saturday. What's happening kaplan. Tell the people you in gregor do it on saturday. All right the law firm of kaplan and bergman are getting together at black gold in yorba linda. And let's see what happens this year between us and ireland. Now i want to tell you something. George you know normally on a saturday afternoon especially one where i don't have my children. Although i only have one that i really still feels. She's fourteen but it'd be very difficult for me to escape to yorba linda for an entire day. You know but i feel like morale is pretty much bullied me into it. If i'm being if you want to know the truth here whoa explained it. Yeah he pretty much told me he said kathleen. Would you come do this. And i said here's exactly what i said to him. Let me check check with rachel. Make sure she's okay with me taking time away from us on a weekend to come hang out with you guys. And he said now. If you don't come after telling me that you know you'll never ever hear the end of it. And i was like what he's kinda got me here now. Now he's got me. Now he's got me in a leveraged position. So now i got him. I'm coming up. I'm bringing my game. I'm bringing out my best gymnasts. I'll hear those pianos from the masters a tradition unlike any other. I'm gonna use. Greg bergman like a sir nick faldo and i'm gonna be out there. Shot by shot. George and l. elsie tee shots from the fairway putts. I'm gonna do post a whole interviews. And i plan on making what should be an insanely boring thing. Incredibly entertaining going in the past. I gotta be honest. I watched it and look. I watched ireland in travis. Go at it. But i would say the commentary has not always been up to snuff. You know so. I feel like you taking a lead role here as a professional broadcaster. Someone who likes golf. Someone who plays golf and having someone like greg there with you as well with chris his chris. Things i feel like the production value has been upgraded here. Well thank you greg. Are you excited about our are working together. I mean this is our first time to just kind of team up you and me pal the end. No it's going to be a good time and we are going to rip apart both ireland and travis whenever they have a bad show or whatever it is. I think we're gonna have a really good time k now. Where's morales fit. In all of this. Though i mean if morales has a bad shot he's gonna give him but who's on who i. I don't know the details. You haven't been able to study in advance yet to get to know. All the players their strengths their weaknesses. You know their resumes etc. I haven't had a chance to do my homework quite yet. It's morales and travis verse. Tommy and ireland. Anybody have Odds on this event. I think it is an audience. Yes and who tommy ireland. Yes and then travis in who travis and chris chris okay okay I've never seen tommy play. I know. Chris has been hints of golf balls lately. So i don't know i know. Tommy plays regularly with him on the weekends today. Say on on travis. Though i feel like travis travis on this i know ireland lives in the ivory tower in the country club and all that stuff but i feel like travis you know what is the. I feel like if it's close travis. Thank you know what i mean like. He's gonna elbaum he's gonna kick him in the shin like he's just going to play dirty and i don't mind that travis just do what you gotta do to win is not going to be close. Though travis has so thoroughly beaten this man year after year after year. it's almost like a brown lucy scenario. Ooh wow yeah. Yeah i mean. There's this for as long as i've known travis. He is always spoken in terms of victory as it pertains to ireland. He's never even. He's marion suggested competition. He's always describe it as day out and activity. He's never even even suggested to me that he's concerned it's like zag versus ucla. Why gotta go there. Because you're here road. Did you happen to hear today. Ireland says on the radio. He says this he says you know mace and he just throws it right in he goes you know i was playing golf this morning with kevin connolly he is he happens to be the guy from entourage. Okay playing golf. How is he playing with him. Well that that's exactly. My point here is that he just dropped it in as if it was no big deal and everybody knows that he and kevin conley are apparently like. Bff's all of a sudden there was no stoppage in the action like timeout. Did you and him hook up to play today. What's that all about nothing. It was just you know. Look ireland being a lakers guy for so long. Like he's got you know he. He rolls an interesting circles. I guess i feel like you want like do you wanna roll with with kevin connolly and Jerry ferrara and those guys. That's what you wanna do not really okay. Not really if they want to be. Part of my entourage. That's okay cool. There you go. Don't want to be in my entourage. I don't wanna be in there on this. You bring the don't connolly. It's funny you mentioned him. I was watching another documentary yesterday. This one was on salil moon frame. The who played punky brewster and she basically did a documentary based on the video. Home video that she shot through a whole childhood into adulthood She had personal video that she did. She had stored the stuff away. She'd never opened. This should never seen it and then when she opened it. She decided to do a documentary. About and it's crazy. Because in her life it talks about all the things she dealt with like. You know. Obviously she had. She grew up very quickly. She had a breast reduction at sixteen. And what not. But it's wild because you see her kind of like going through the hollywood life as a kid and all these other hollywood young people whether their children or teenagers or whatever going through it with her right like kevin connolly. Who was in there. Marco guzzler brian austin green. And all these people they were all they. All mario lopez all ran in the same circles to hong house together. It is a if you like that era of the ninety eighty s and ninety s and those kids growing up like on tv together. Will they hung out together to and you kinda get to hear their stories of what it was like to grow up in that hollywood environment sounds interesting. I'd i'd love to see it. But i just know i'm not going to. I mean i would like to britney one real quick. What is better that one is better. I think and the same guy. By the way this guy adam streisand. Who's the lawyer who helped jeanie buss. Who helped bomber. And who's helping the spanos sister who wants the team to be sold. I believe that that same lawyer is wrapping britney right now as she's trying to regain control of her life based on this documentary. Should i get them. You need them. I don't have anything in conflict. But i just feel like i should have them. Just in case right you should just put this guy in retainer right now just in case. That's a nice little chunk of change. He's going to get from helping all these people out right right. I must be the best at what he does. Apparently because man. It's like if you need to. If you have a conflict with your family or somebody really. Who's a bad person man. I'm telling you call me. I'll come do the deal. I got this thing. He did it for bomber. He did it for genie. He's apparently gonna do it now for brittany. He's working on taking the chargers and making them for sale. Telling you man this guy. Sky sounds a real bad s. Need them on our side interesting. So speaking of interesting. You want to see a chicken. I found it interesting but speaking of interesting. How many times have you gone to the grocery store caporale z. Or gregor laura. And you just leave your window down just a little bit hot outside. Just leave the window. I'm never man who you know long. It took me to actually leave the convertible top down. Once i left the car. It took a long time. And even still. I still like constantly out the window constantly like i'm not. I'm not geared that way to trust people that is i would never if i if i had a convertible. I would never leave the top down just. Because i don't want the seats to be all hot when i come back. I'm always worry someone's gonna throw something in a car pe- you know people are people. Are people look at that car. That nice go pee in it. I'm just gonna leave it at that. But i'm assuming you do george No i haven't but i know people that do you know. And here's a good night to their buddies when they're and hotel together. No i don't know okay What i would say is this I saw this story today in the new york times. Just floored me okay. So this guy had just finished his grocery shopping a new mexico men but when he got to his car he was gone for ten minutes at an albertsons on sunday. Okay swarm of fifteen thousand honeybees had taken over his back so he walked away for ten minutes. The thing just the window open just a little bit cracked open and it was insane so he says he got back. It looked like he was like. Oh my god. He called nine one because he didn't know what to do So what ended up happening. Was this guy. Said he just finished a family barbecue. This these firefighter any figured he could get out there. And remove and relocate. The beast was property right so the nine one one call was to a fire department. They went out there and the guys like basically like even though he's a firefighter he is. Ah beyond just a pseudo be keeper. Type guy right lightly insects and all that stuff and he's familiar with how to handle bs so he says in the story. I'll do anything to keep people from killing. Bees said mr johnson. The the fire department The guy from the fire department so yeah so the guy went in there and got the bees all out of the car safely. He was protected by a white beekeeper. Jacket okay and he approached the car with an empty box and he treated the whole thing with lemon lemon grass oil and whatnot and got it all taken care of got got in get up and got the bees out for the guy crazy but wait. Why were the bees there. That's a swarm nearby now. He had to have something in angels decided. We just all come into your dog sitting this car over here so we'll do more investigating tomorrow a follow up story in the new york times. All right This portion of the show is presented by health plan changing health care one person at a time and thankfully obese thing so there was a need for that but but we will evaluate them further tomorrow. We're done your excellent work is always elsie. Youtube rubber. Excellent work cap much. Love team greg. Laura great job. We will talk to you tomorrow at three fifty five. Have a great night.

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William Hung Talks Winning $100K In Poker

The Official Red Chip Poker Podcast

39:04 min | 3 months ago

William Hung Talks Winning $100K In Poker

"Good morning and welcome back to another episode. The wretched podcast. I'm your host. james would suit. Sweeney joined by chris warren and today to do something a little bit different. We're gonna have a guest on the show. William hung william. If you recognize the name at all like i did. i was like. Hey swearing notice name from somewhere. This is a name that i recognized from american idol. And kinda some memes. That got passed around the internet at least a little bit around that time. But i'll william kind of say hello and introduce himself and give us a little bit of a backdrop on kind of where you been in is a part of your life today. Heavy one does this william hong. Yes you'll probably see me on tv with my unique rendition of sheep. Banks by ricky martin back in two thousand four but after the audition and i got my sudden rise to fame. I feel that. I wanted something outside of my business on my entertainment and i one time i was I got a came across a limit game back in the old days in reno and i suddenly won a couple of hundred bucks us. Good if you better than making tens of thousands of dollars from singing the as. I don't know what it was but some how i got hooked into the game. Since that point. I play online. I play life here and there about it was mostly a hobby for me For the last couple years and then the last couple years The the reason. I decided to take the game to the next level was because you know i went with my ups and downs in my showbiz things. Were not going amazing. So i figured i needed to try something new so like lights for the first four years. It was like the dream live. I was doing wherever. I want my show biz and then the next eight years i you know i need to the government the two even to stay myself and then i feel like you know what i want to hide behind the rest of my life and then i i. I sat down and looked okay. What tyler impassioned do i have. I know they are speaking and poker. So that's how i got into poker. That's excellent so before we actually jump into poker side of things and a quick question so you mentioned a government job. And what was that process like because i imagine it must be at least a little bit weird when you're kind of dare say internet famous to whatever extent that is and then you're working a government job like what is. What did that feel like at work. What are the day to day. Interactions look like wh. What did that part of your life look like. Oh yeah well. So i work for the sheriff's department for two years and the public health department for six years. I would say it was a bit awkward initially when people Recognize me he's like. Oh my god i'm your guy. How come you here. Well you know sometimes you have to deal with reality. yes. I save up enough money. I'm not someone that's reckless. But so i. I have a pretty good life but i don't wanna sit around and wait anti my money either. So that's why. I decided dude taking on a job. See what what life goes from that point and then the the way i handled it. I was trying to be a normal. I buy something bothered me towards the last few years working for the government. And there's nothing wrong with with the people. It's more like what i want for my own life so i feel like okay. Well maybe i can venture into speaking. And then how can i combine the speaking with my passion for poker so the so. I figured the best way to go about. And just try it. And i talked to other week good poker players polka pros and they re they become ended. That you can't just quit your job tomorrow. And i totally agree you for your previous podcast as well it was. I gave myself like a one year window to prove to actually make it like that a lot so so talk darkly loaded about that first year. What did that look like. What does that feel like. You know how much studying versus playing where you doing like really run us through with that first year. Looked like for you while. I'm so what i did was. I went through a several websites including racha poker. Thank you for the plug. No problem so i i use multiple sources and then you just have to find your own game then makes sense for you by by. They all have a solid point right now so without getting too much into that. That part by the overall idea is that you can't go crazy right. You need to have a solid fundamental game now to to make it nowadays and then from that point on horace part for me is to stick to the strategy. The strategy to win in cash games low limit of mistakes. It's not rocket science. Yes it takes some time to get the work. Put the walk in to get to that point but it's not rocket science. You know a few weeks a few months you could get there. The hard part is executing the strategy consistently even when you're losing or sometimes sometimes winning and you're winning you feel like god. I'm over confident i could. I could do whatever i want. And then when you're losing you feel like oh my god what is this. What is this hand charts. Well that's what what is this C- betting thing you know. It's like this work. We all experienced that. When it's like every play everything you're doing just seems to be going wrong I see a lot in our discord. Where just you know. Someone's really dealing with the brennan of it and they're just like everything i'm doing feels like it's going wrong and that's really when your your perseverance and your mental toughness kicks in. I think that was one of the things that was so exciting to talk to you about is just you know. I think you've had a very successful career. But it was not easy and i guess my perception is almost like you know in business and poker the amount of toughness you're willing to deal with is of the amount of money and success. You tend to have. Yeah that's a good way to look at because because you you choose your version of heart. Everything is hard right. Living paycheck to paycheck from my government job is hard Studying poker and play playing achim. Consistenly is hard running your own business and creating the future you want is even harder. So which do you want to choose right. Could i ask you have to choose hurt because like you said life is hard and if you're not willing to look at life as a series of obstacles that are difficult to overcome them than life swallow or you do nothing i think doing nothing in life is like the worst thing you could possibly do. I've the saying you can. You can choose hard now or hard later right. Yeah yeah yeah. Chris iran so one of the things that i that really when you so william reached out to us be our very good pitch email And the stood out to me. I actually end up watching his tax talk which is just really for me struck a chord. Which is you know becoming very famous. And then having to deal with the realities of that going through your normal life having a normal job Just having to do what everyone has to do that was it sounded like it was really challenging and to me that you know you coming into poker and then pretty quickly. Having a lot of success i do. I don't remember correctly. You kind of like one hundred thousand dollars per share or something like that. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. That's true. I so i i tracked about over like fifteen hundred hours than in the first year as crazy. Considering i still had a full time job. I was literally putting in twenty to thirty hours a week outside of my job too quick to get to where i wanna be serious dedication and but so to me. What really struck me about that. It was like oh of course like you're able to be successful at poker because you have that mental resilience like it for me. It was just a logical. When i was like when i heard your story and then saw that success you had and poker. I was like that makes so much sense to me. And i think that's something that a lot of our listeners could probably learn from this. Just you know wha- in what would you say is your Mindset when you kind of you experienced. These difficulties been brought that toughness to poker. Wha- what's what. Is that secret sauce for you. I would say that th the One of the things that really helped me is to always see the bigger picture. Put things in perspective Lightly when when things are not going. Well i even this year. It was a rocky year. I had a good january. I had bad february rebounded like the worst bundle. Wars moms or march and april is getting better right so so i when i put this perspective like. I'm grateful that i can play the game. I love of as a source of income. Let's put it that way right. I don't want to say this is my only income because it gets way too much pressure. I don't recommend that for anyone. So i agree with previous podcast episode. But you know as source of income and still you know. It's something to not take for granted like when when when people see me like losing after buying you know kings run into as late late late late. I wd say is that you know if i could afford to lose money at a poker table. My life is not that bad. it's great perspective. I mean really. There's so many difficult lives. I mean like you said if you're able to sit down in america and you lose a couple of hundred bucks even a thousand bucks like Yeah that's a terrible feeling. In the moment but i mean in the grand scheme of things. You're one of the richest people to ever live in this world. Yeah so talk a little bit more about that. That first year did the success. Kind of come right off the bat. Did it kind of gradually build up to six figures your first year. What did that first year. Look like from the from the results perspective and what kind of work re putting in on the side. You mentioned playing like twenty to thirty hours a week which was awesome but talk loaded. Malik the studying of what you were doing to improve during that time. Yeah so so. So why did What specifically. I hope i don't get you. Don't take it personally ask through saudi wretched by another important resource. I used was actually crush like poker. So i used both of these as as my main study sources and then why did back those days when pyo sauber were not like you know this like by so advanced now. He's so accurate. I use dealer. I play around with seila. I'd just try and understand like you know how often that's my wouldn't have it right. That's that's one of the biggest years As polka players. Like it's like you either on doing something too much or too little. You're some people you think like a monster under the bed. Here we go again. I'm good at my canes. Were running two asia's again. That's not true. That's not a good way to look at it. Because then i then. I forget all the time. I wonder small possibly kings right saw the same thing for prepo and postmark. So that's the biggest thing. I had to overcome in terms of the results. It more gradual. So it's like a down our uptown gradual by the wine though the stone is that my winning sessions are the the amount were bigger than my losing sessions and over time. That's how i know. I could make it go. I like that so when it came to. Actually you know what i wanna hear about your play style so one thing that i always think about when asking someone or even working with someone in any capacity coaching sentences like describe your play style and how you would beat you in like one or two different plays like what things like really start to make you fall apart at least a little bit because most people honestly like don't look at their game at that level of introspection and as okay. Well you're leaving something on the table to say the least. So what is your. How would you classify your placed island. Mike maybe what's one kind of short coming in your game. You're kind of working on at the moment. Okay cool. I love this question. So so So mike game definitely has a w- oft are a lot even within the last few years. Initially when i play in last the when i first got started transitioning to become a full time poker pro i was still in l. A. and games in the in hustler. Hollywood park where like extremely soft like like you could literally just wait and wait. Wait for has put it in so so. It's not like that anymore. So back dan le. I i would say that you know i still. I tend to go with the old school strategy right like you know when i get mine i could. I could wait for for good. Has three bat so aggressive. Nothing fancy but over time. I noticed that the games harder dak didn't walk so great. Not because i wouldn't say i was losing by notice that i'm not winning as much the various starting to go higher. I have bigger downswings. That's how you know that game needs to improve. So so why did from that point four. I study another program call overnight monsters You might have heard of it so so so so So they tend to the interests of the play style. I was saying now is even more aggressive. But but it's but it's not like there's it it's actually simpler by actually boring poker here and let me clarify what this means so because in the past right like it's okay to to to make the make the lose calls you're seven five student on the button. See the hand right win win some big pas but this started really doesn't work anymore and the reasons because the players got better later the players in the player pool across our even low limit and mistakes. They not gonna just stack up top pair in how so. That's really bad. Yeah yeah so. I agree with some of the reason arcus from from wretched talking about the three batting style. So but you can't just you know how you know which has three while in i. I tried to stick with the. You know the good hands right. Like like i if i were to describe to a friend wanna to get into the game. Now and i'll maybe payroll eight or better. Suit brought ways and as screen plus. That's it no way so in the way that's why it's boring poker but by autry heart to execute that consistently exactly at that was exactly the experience i had coming back to live. Poker is pretty much what you said. It was like you know you would tell that you could tell the things. Your strategy wasn't up to par. When you're various was getting bigger. You could see the players like getting better in fact they would get better versus me. Specifically i remember that and you just have to be ready but if you really have that locked in discipline i mean. That's pretty much what it takes to to beat live poker like you can upgrade your strategy over time and integrating that three strategy. It sounds like was very lucrative for you now but you really don't need to do too much fancy stuff as long as you're in a good good soft live game and you can slowly adapt strategy over time so It's very interesting. We had similar experiences Yeah yeah and you you were saying we gonna talk about downswings. And i think this is a little crazy. I also had the same experience. Was you you're saying you've probably had maybe a ten by downswing at the at the highest yes and i think that's about the same that i've had I guess technically maybe mind got a little bigger. I was playing in a two game. Those playing a little bit more. Like ten twenty You could say. Maybe i think i probably lost six seven thousand dollars in that game at some point but it really the swings live for me. Haven't been too big when you have that really tight aggressive threading strategy and you know i never heard another life really mentioned that the downswings aren't that big So i'm very impressed with that. I think i think you're probably very locked into a high winning strategy danke. Yeah that is it over time. It's like it's more like it's more like a combination of studying as well as like observations. Oh mike what's going on. You know all the sudden. I'm not doing so great anymore. would you say so. This was interesting for me when i was playing. Live are how how aware you day-to-day like are you. When you sit down the game is. Are you more relaxed. Implementing your strategy or you very focused locked in trying to get every advantage can wow. That's something that's all. I also improve over time. Because when i first got started It's more i would even i. I'm not that focus you know. Don't do what i did i was. I will literally like play on my fall or listen to music because the the number one issue that i had at the time was for them. You know like like. Oh my god i have to wait for all for only these good has only played. Good hands imposition. Did you come from playing a lot of online. 'cause i experienced every single time i go from playing more online to starting to play live again. It is the same thing every single time. Just the boredom is just like a strain my brain and handle boredom is the same thing for you or is that just something that you just naturally kind of hate born them in general i would say probably because i hate boardman general yes. I've played play quite bit online back in the old days after black friday i read didn't play online at all. You know i try. I tried a few other things in live. You know then then make much progress. And i decided to get back into poker. There makes sense. I think that's a really good takeaway for everyone that you know. We spent so much time talking about and thinking about like what we can improve in our games and what we can do but when you find something that's really effective. Which is the tight aggressive. The aggressive three bedding. You don't need to be perfect. Everywhere i know. Probably if you're a losing player more of a break even player not getting the results that you're looking for it can feel like oh i need to do everything perfectly and we talk so many different ways but it sounds like for you william like you really picked out like a couple of key strategies where it was like. Oh like i'm gonna learn about this you. It sounded like overnight monsters or something like that and that strategy. Just unlock the next level for you and once you lock that in and it was like well you know. Maybe i'm not the most focused on not doing everything perfectly. But you're making a very good hourly rate yay and and and and intensive light light li- like really like giving the real picture of it is actually very similar to the pre flow charts that you recommended james So so the free choice. Everybody can down wide so why did Based on my own study and testing is that is that i only played the hands in the red and nothing in the yellow for life games and the reason that works so effectively in the live games is because number one you have high rake and comparative online and number two. You have a bunch of people calling you so so when you play too. Many hands like six seven suited opposition. You don't get to win the pot a whole lot so you you just bleeding money away. And that's why. I noticed totally fair. So i got to kind of ask again. Can emerging like your poker plus who you are. Do people recognize you at the table. And if so how does that impact the way that they may adjust to you in real time strategically speaking. Ooh i was say at the for people that play with me for the first time if they we recognize me the first thing they asked like wait a minute why are you here and i usually. I enjoy the game. You know i try. I try to keep a low profile. I don't show off by by by Because that's that's a. That's i think a good thing i don. I typically don't show my hands. I don't talk about my hands very much if i if i it was re clear. Bat the or big part or something like that. It's like okay. Well well that happens right. I try not to george tension to myself too much in that in that sense and then and then when people do ask me about my background tell them you know. Hey i do cameos. I do other things so so. It's almost like. I intentionally tried to manipulate my image nine a bad. But you know. I don't want to do in a way where i'm just another player in the game. I'm not there to gun after your money. Yeah i very much relate to that. It's it's fun talking to another real serious life player where i feel like so many of the things that you're talking about just things that i experienced You know obviously no recognizes me at the table Until they've played with me a lot but yeah very much the same thing. I very much wanted to be a part of the game. I wanna sit back a little bit. I don't necessarily needs to draw attention to myself. And i think that's a very good position as an advantage player. Because you don't want to draw attention to what you're doing you don't want to people thinking about the strategies you're using maybe how much you're winning or whatever it's an intrinsic disadvantage so even as someone who's very recognizable. It's interesting to hear that that same type of approach yay and the other interesting thing is that is that there are a small number of people that That that that goes one way too much of the other Light like there's a few people that fo over four against me and then And then there's a couple people that's out to get me literally me like they were they would Call three back with eight. Ten ceuta pair of sixes. You know they should never cocoa but they over bluff me so they wanna get me that way and you think that's because of your celebrity you're known this or do you think that that's because they view you as being maybe a little too tight and they're trying to strategically take advantage of you or that. Maybe see they don't really know the game all that well anyway. They're just gunning for no reason and he ends indication on which one might be. Well i would say a couple of wrecks in my poor. I won't mention any identities. Obviously by by they they probably think i'm fish or they think down. We talked okay. Fair enough position to be in as a tag is when. Someone's really gunning for you and you're like i'm just playing titan straightforward. You're going to impale yourself on what i'm doing as actually funny have you if people recognize you as maybe a celebrity or from from whatever. I think they're more likely to tell you at the table. Which i think interesting whereas me most of the people the recognize me and i've gotten recognized more over the last couple of years. They tend lake. As i'm leaving the table or as using the restroom or taking a quick walk then they like step away from the table and say hey thanks for the youtube videos or whatever the podcast which i appreciate but a mike. Why didn't you tell me that at the table strategically do different things. He told me too late man. I think you're kind of in a privileged position where if someone recognizes you. They're more likely to let you know. Hey i know who you are you think is it just creates a different dynamic that i don't think most people are ever going to really run across but it's interesting when i do run across it so it's so unique situation. You're in to say the least yeah. I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of anyone recognizing as a bad thing given that we're doing this but how do you. How do you guys deal with that. Like do you find there's uncomfortable interpersonal situations that come up off the back of that while playing in things like that or just people are pretty till about it. William go first on this one well know the other. The other factor. That you know when when i'm somewhat well known and outside world and sit down and the poco table is how i handle myself right to be really careful. Not they handle not just handling bath beads or or or Baked winning day. So i bake day. I don't i don't talk as much. I try not to be the the the chadian play on the table because that that i'm joy negative attention than people. Were you know like a big talk. My back. I don't want that well a and then the other is like how do i handle conflicts recently I had a conflict and because the player you know all he He wasn't. I wouldn't say it's like he did something deliberately. Bad by what happened was in that particular part was like like so. It's each arrive so so i raised. The guy went all in on a call right. Whatever the cost is relevant here. So what happened was was the dealer He didn't count the chipped correctly. He oh he'd he'd he thought it was only two hundred. I only own the guy two hundred right and then after was over they he he. I think he knows your own. Two hundred and fifty to thirty five. Wherever i was. I was not happy about that. You know it's nothing to do with winning losing as because because they didn't incompetence correctly so so situations like that how you handle right so i taught stay calm and i knew i in my hat. I kinda knew it was over two hundred. Okay i pay it off. And then i walk away won't table. I talk to the floor the lady on the floor. She was very nice now. I wave on the game. And i told her. Hey you know. This dealer shouldn't be doing that. Because i don't know how much as paying the guy that's not cool. You know so so how you handle situations like that goes a long way because he suddenly blow up. Get all upset abouit in all. Yeah and that's not good for either hundred percent. i think i think i've always tended to approach things and this is even like when i'm just making a anonymous post on reddit account or something like that. I assume that everything. I do could be seen by someone else in someone. Maybe they care about or do business. With or whatever. And i've always found that to just be like a good way to approach it because then you don't have any like Oh i get to do this thing that i it isn't cool or whatever just because i feel like at this moment you have a little. You have respect for the people that you're interacting with and dealing with. I think that's at the poker table. Yes yeah i'll take mine a step further and again these are like unique cases right because of who we are in the situation and the positions that we have. But i feel like this weird that even that weird but i feel tied to wretched and i feel like an ownership in a responsibility to if i'm going to do something that i'm reflecting well on red ship as well as reflecting on my own brand and reflecting on honesty poker has a whole so i really do feel like responsible for like you guys said the way that we interact when things go poorly be downswings or be like we are technical things like i've also gotten screwed and and dealer screwed multiple times. And how you handle that. I think is really really important and telling and i just think like okay if a red chipper were watching this right now like would they be proud of the brand or would they hate the brand and if there's ever if it's ever even close like i always towards what would people want to see what would help the game grow. Not just you know satiated. Some instant want or need a rattle off in life tilt for reason. I don't know probably thinking about it from too big of a picture. But that's the way that i i find works for me. So william i think one of the things. That's really interesting to read schepers you you know. It sounds like a pretty deep poker background. But i think a lot of us have had on and off periods with hugger. What would you recommend for someone in twenty twenty one based on what you're seeing. Who wants to get more serious about poker. Wants to try and make you know ten thousand fifty thousand hundred thousand next year. Would you say is your biggest takeaway The biggest takeaway is to focus on the Of the game. That will give you the the biggest benefit in the shortest amount of time and the number one leaked that everyone has including myself to this day is pre flop it because because when you earn your play too many hands especially opposition even the big blind It's really not the school days. So so yeah you know it's more it's more like back in the old days you can afford to just You have a law margin for error but now it's more like like very like you have to make fewer mistakes than your opponents right so pre pre wlac is definitely number one and then you know getting down a solid our betting strategy something like in a small batting study imposition with riot. Flops we next so those two things together and then you execute strategy consistently should be good enough. I think that's great advice. You really don't need that much. If you can like exactly as you said identify those key inflection points and maybe custom for your game your game they play different than you know the average game that's talked about but if you can identify those key strategies that are going get put us significantly ahead. That's mostly what you need and then you have to make sure you're doing kristinia anymore. Questions on your list and you start a couple couple of questions you want to fire through today. Well i think we could. We could always talk more about. Just you know. I i really resonated with your story so much when you talked about the challenge of like going from the entertainment world and having to deal with people recognizing you and then i remember when you were talking about teaching in your tax. Talk where you're talking about like of the kids would like sometimes just not listen. No matter did or how while you were teaching. And that can i mean. I think that's very similar to a poker downswing in a way where it's just like these factors that are outside your control. You're doing your best but the world does not you know rewarding you. So yeah maybe. Can you tell me a little bit more of like where. Where do you think you've got that toughness because it seems like you almost had it intrinsically will I don't noticed. Interestingly it's more like. I like a combination of many different life experiences. Besides american idol. I remembered even back in middle school like a sucker punch by by hispanic kit. And you know. I didn't i didn't want to just punch on may take revenge of an whatever right like i chose not to do that. So that's all the a you know something that sticks in the behind on my mind. Okay how do i approach life. I'll i wanna approach you know Adversity another thing. That's that's outside american idol. That happen to me. Is i went through two marriages wars and also not a fun time i i was really hurt me emotionally and financially but by now i learned that. Hey you know. I need to know why. Why my life before ya dedicating my life to someone to marriage so things like that right like when you when you're gone through events like that that you realize that you know whatever happens at a at a poker table. It's not that that yeah. I really resonate with that. Because i think something that i see is that there's so many people who are so afraid of consequences that they don't go out there and do things and you know obviously with you like you know you went out there and did something and it you know. People reacted really strongly and negatively and positively but having to deal with the negative side of that. When you tried something like you just want out there. You sang your song and having that like crazy overreaction. I think but you've dealt with it and you push through it and you created a very successful your life back of that. I think that's such a good analogy for everyone where you really have to live your life. You have to make those decisions if you just avoid risk. If you're always afraid of what's happening you know you miss out on so much opportunity. And i mean that's just you know why i really resonated with what you were saying. I could just see someone who really went after what they wanted in life and didn't worry about. You know what other people were going to do are or is able to deal with the consequences of how maybe people would react to that. Yeah i totally agree. I mean i generally loved the game of poker one of my mentors. Ask me like a like if money and resource is nine east. What would i be doing. I i i could generally say i love the game of poker. I tried everything. I tried them. Mobile games. I try the ranchers but i don't have that same natural deep curiosity and passion for that you know and it's not my poker is not the end. Poker is just the beginning for me. In terms of ma how i e wall to become the best version of myself. Yeah i mean. I think something that i've definitely experienced. Actually a lot of different careers to you. You will always be best at the thing that you enjoy. You find that deeper connection with and that not just doing for the money or the rewards. Yeah yeah excellent. So william any last minute thoughts or things that you think the audience should should know any insights you can give any last minute gems Well i remember you you you james ashby about like like one potential weakness or way to the you know you play me so i would say the. The the the more complicated situations is post law On pair boards and flush on on the flush sports. So that's a those are those are hands that You know without getting too much into it that it's worth working on once you master basics because most people played situations poorly and i played our participation very paulie until recently i still not great by better i'm not making huge blunders stacking of acis on you know five six seven ten with three hearts so so so that's that's an area that's wolf walking because every poker players when we see the flash card is like all monster under the bed rise so we had to get over that two hundred dollars that hopefully. You're folding us in those spots. That's what i wanna see. Yeah yeah i was going to do is connect that back to kind of what you said where you're really when you're trying to build that win right and you've built a very significant hourly You start with those key strategies that you have but then you wanna look at. What are the areas where i make the biggest mistake and if i can take a real big mistake and make that a smaller mistake that's very very lucrative way to improve your game and improve your win rate so yes on a percent and very good by the way that you've been able to dial it into specific textures. Instead of just like some broad spot like out of position post op which is just far too broad the fact that you're looking at okay specific textures. Then you can really dial in go back to using zillow like you mentioned earlier really start hammering out spot out and ideally probably fold in less than most people hold too especially impaired boards or when a paired bars and one flush draws phil think people get a little too tight so i liked the fact. You're trying to find more spots. He'll continue profitably there. Yeah excellence so william as we're wrapping up here. Where can people get in touch with you in contact with you and stay up to date with you. The best way if instagram at williams dot co perfect excellent. And will you be on the richard poker discord in the near future. Yeah i'm already on it. I'm going through some of the materials even even having right we into acted yet. I'll definitely get in there real soon. Excellent perfect well. Thank you so much william for joining us today. And if you'd like to join us. And william at the richard hooker discord you can always do so wretched poker dot com slash royal take. You're right there totally free to jump in and join start chatting poker with us and if you need anything at all have any questions. Don't hesitate to let us know either of the word. Thank you so much for listening today. Receive vaccine with another episode. And in the meantime good luck out there and happy gripe them.

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04:54 min | 5 months ago

Kurt Becker's Stroll Through Racing History - Fran's Valentine

"Hello i'm hurt. Thanks for joining me as i take. Another stroll for racing history presented by in and england. Ballantine was california breath. Billy graham attention of the racing world at the inaugural breeders cup in nineteen eighty four. She scored an upset win and then a few minutes later. She was disqualified and so she became footnote. The breeders cup this green but that day was only the beginning. What became a lush three career for france. Valentine as both racehorse and broodmare. Despite her name france. Valentine was not born on valentine's day but on february twenty six nineteen eighty two. She was named by owner breeder. Earl scheib in honor of his wife friend winning three of her first five starts including a minor stakes by nineteen legs. Brands valentine enters the nineteen four years cup juvenile fillies off up fourteen length. Wasp a great one oak leaf stakes the crowd of sixty four thousand at hollywood park on scott day. This mr seventy four to one believing that she was not great one calbert. They were wrong. Trained by joe manzi and with patrick valenzuela moored. Fran's valentine was in perfect striking position as the field turned for home and she made the most of screens ballantyne on the outside. And does the program bessarabia she's beaten today's abandoned wired outstandingly feast inside. They're cutting finish steadily friends. Upset here huge upset. France and it was shocking. Upset and an emotional victory franchise had passed away earlier. That year as the billy was beginning racing and now france namesake was about to enter the winner's circle at the very first breeders cup but there was a problem. Fran's valentine had slammed into pirates blow at the top of the stretch and stewards had noticed. The inquiry sign was posted. Earl scheib trainer and said they're not going to let us into the winners circle and he was correct. This stewards disqualified france boundless nine and placed her tenth. Earl scheib later. Said i was crushed. It broke my heart. But i kept my mouth shut and walked away. There is a dubious distinction in being the first doors ever disqualified from a win in breeders cup race or for that matter and a million dollar thoroughbred event. But there would be better days ahead. For fran's valentine and they were to come early in her three year old season there would be a win in the las virginis at santa anita followed by a great one victory in the santa susanna. Fran's valentine then shipped to kentucky where she finished a disappointing fifth of the ashland stakes at keeneland but regular rider. Pat valenzuela was not available for that race. Having been briefly sidelined with a shoulder. Injury on may third nineteen eighty five balance away and france. Valentine were reunited at churchhill downs for the one hundred. Eleventh running of the kentucky oaks. Send off the second betting choice at three two one. Fran's valentine fought off forty to one longshot. Boxy dean to win by three quarters of a length in stakes record time earl scheib could not resist. Some good natured. Fun when he said quote you ain't done nothing until you've beaten these kentucky heart boots on their own turf and two months later. Fran's valentine would add another great one when to her resume with a victory in the hollywood oaks the following year in one thousand nine hundred eighty six. She would post a runner-up in the breeders cup distaff behind eventual horse of the year. Lady's secret france ballantyne retired from the race track early in nineteen eighty-seven with thirteen wins and nine other finishes the money. From thirty seven starts her one point three million dollars in made her the richest california greatly of all time and her legacy would be enhanced beyond the track as france. Valentine found her way into the prestigious fruit mayor. Bad of george strawbridge funeral in fact she would become the dam of the agusan stables home turf. Start with anticipation who scored five grade. One wins and earned two point six million dollars a grade. One winner on dirt and a great one producer on the turf. Fran's valentine joined accomplish career which flourished in the years following that readers cop disqualification as a two year old. She died october. Two thousand seven at age twenty five at derry meeting farm in cochran built pennsylvania having proved that she was not only a special philly to those north but that she also belong at the grade one level. Please join me again next week as i take. Another stroll for racing history presented by lanes in and being for hr n. I'm perk beker.

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Part 3: Johnny D, Jon White

Thoroughbred Racing Radio Network

57:14 min | 1 year ago

Part 3: Johnny D, Jon White

"Johny Good Morning. We'll be a cell phone I've been I've been I've been told by people I gotta go and I got a bigger name on the other line but not before it's only three days solely three jobs and and by the way in most cases that's been true so taking a back seat And I'm just kidding. Obviously but I've enjoyed listening to the guest you've had on All the tributes to APN Neil Drysdale alway down the line all the bill. Harrigan yesterday who I enjoy listening to as you said he was one of the same song because everyone who knows him knows his work. Seems it's Brayton's but just a little bit unknown people. I think the general Wagering population doesn't really know job that he's behind the scenes and He he's been involved so many top horses and as you alluded to his name shows compares performance with better. Pay attention to So he can train a horse and then listening to Only blacks and Sean Parker I. I was thinking to myself as mentioned Writers he's at the privilege the ride would. I was thinking back to the riders that I had the privilege to be around both as a member of the of the publicity staffs of all the southern California racetracks been in the the early eighties and then John McCain For roughly twenty years at all the solid California. So I'm trying to think of. What is the most common denominator? No Tony was listening. Those guys they they wrote the twenty years and that was it and now they write longer and like you know. Some of them didn't watch their weight and they're smoking in the weight room or taking a sip of alcohol sweat going and all these things I think to myself you have changed now. Obviously employee explained that but I thought to myself what's the most common denominator but I can think of not just jockeys I worked for but jockey's around I was around. I think I think incredible Doxa. Pink tide McCarron Shoemaker. Del Toro dog peers. guarantee a young. Stephen a Fan Hawley. I mean it was just an incredible experience around that I thought to myself once the one common denominator and it was pretty came to be pretty pretty quickly competitive. They're all. They were all competitive no matter if you were golfing if you're playing tennis if you're playing air hockey it didn't let on it didn't matter poem it didn't matter what you're doing with these guys any one of them. It was always the same they had the win and listening to Tony. Talk about riders. That struck me because he even touched on he. Great he didn't he didn't Belabor the point like I am but he greg on it and he said he highlighted it. You know the will to win the competitive you know. He mentioned someone like Bill. Hart I was in Tennessee. Football Eighty was hard tack Hundred Years Back and forth as the football big deal and we. We never draft. And I'm talking. This gotTA BE LATE. Eighties maybe You know before fantasy. Football became sing and There was a minor infraction by one of the more players. One of the team owners in the game. And we're all racetrack people racetrack league. We don't gather at the docks room at del Mar and late summer. Have our drafts near the end of the beating? But there was a violation. And everyone's like the one who cares. Let it go away. And he was adamant no. This is not not the way the rules say it should be is not going to be this way and it was. It was partly to win the what it also was. He wanted to win and he knew that this stepping over the rules was going to harm his chance to win. So everybody all these all these fantastic riders one thing I can say they all had was that competitive nature. The desire to win you know. Here's the guy who won. I thought you Derby Five. And he and his trainer he's a writer so I mean it just incredible but so I don't mind taking bigger name on the other line I'll take back. I appreciate it and you know it's been a week of you. Know of remembrances The circumstance and and Tommy Trotter coming on the heels of Bob quickly now You know in the last couple of days. The of the news of Ray. York's passing a couple of days ago and then yesterday afternoon in New Mexico The sudden death of John. Wayne I also Johnny addition bringing up Ray York with Tony. I wanted to bring up Henry Merano with you. You're the first John Waddell beyond with us next than John John called the charts for some AP and erases at has got you know. Real vivid ties a career but For Henry Marino. I mean that had to be somebody you booked mounts with the and at the bay year round he was about as popular guy around clockers corner. And and I'm sure in Hollywood as well as anybody. Yeah you. Can't you know he was. He was granted with Paul. He was very sick. You know wasn't so much fat was like just Kurt. Who's a big guy he's the wireless chaps in the morning and the ad that cowboy hat on and he had spurs and he was just kind of an opposing figure and I remember early on you know I. I stop by pack. Obviously make me around as an agent. And he he growls something at you as you as you stuck your head in the door and you know and and Kinda. I was intimidated by an early on. And then people say to me all these great guy and fought people talk about and then finally there came to occasion to get to know every little bit spend some time visiting with him and he was a fun guy he was a funny guy and all the time he was intimidating. Because they get out. They did all the jockeying for anybody to came by born. You know he gives you a glare growl at you and and and you you run and hide but then later years he like you like that song and of course he had some wonderful horses Early on and then and then the time I was there also had some good horses saying I guess is the best one when I was around and then before that You know you have to south. America horses did very well with didn't ride then ride much for many riders that I had kind of stuck with the wherever. It was his his wires But he was one of the breakfast club. We call the breakfast club you had. You had warrants. Duty nells duty Henry Marino and then sometimes join in the group Be went use OPTIMA. Joining build place called Cocos which was Not far from Santa Anita and have breakfast air every single morning so when they when they were drawn a racist and anyone go guy. Warren or mel needed a rider hotline. The coach goes to try of them and try and pick up them out But then later years of course he joined that group including you can add. Burials in the group's shedding with a car there and and to sit with them and listen to the story Especially Warren and now and Henry about. I don't want to say the old days 'cause you know we're talking about the fifty and sixty in racing and I guess I guess thirty days now but somebody says the all day that take him to thirty two close to. I don't think they're all day but they talked about raising what was like and I actually at the table. I was sitting there one morning and I actually. I cursed him out. You guys saw the good. Here's what you we must. Because her started was so fantastic. Incredible and and movie stars and and Trips Cheers Party. I said hey what what happened. All the stuff you know been thinking is But it was great to hear that and and listening listening Tony Black. I also thought man. You know the rioters back then mentioned mentioned the names and I thought to myself. You know what we've got. Now we've got you know. The Guy who made there may be deemed in the in the seventies and eighties. Those are those are wide you to join the guy that he talked about the fifty sixty so there aren't new weapons always born. The wheel keeps turning and I I know him he was you know he was a big part of what what went on in California for decades and we can't help but feel sad when we lose guide like that A friend of many and an acquaintance go just a good guy to have a laugh with his. His real is really nice. Horse was Saying right the in the Mid Eighties. That was was very good and he had firearm number. Correct head are really really good sprinter. I can't remember if he if he did much going to hurt Lina Sam but I remember him as being a fast. I haven't looked to saw off the top of my my my father still head but I seem to remember Sambu with a nice APP. Absolutely absolutely Samho was was one of those big ones. I mean saying I just looked her up. She won a million dollars in the mid eighties. So you're talking about the hard way I mean in one hundred thousand dollar steaks are probably the big stage even see here biggest stake. She Participated in a couple of two hundred thousand and then actually Actually at the end of her career at the end well she one let me see. What was this eighty? This would be eighty three. She won a four hundred thousand dollar race. So what was this? Because I'm looking at this from a chart that doesn't have. She won the Yellow Ribbon. She was a multiple grade one winner. She won the eighty three yellow ribbon and it was a four hundred thousand dollar. Steak was the richest purchase purse after. I'M GONNA turn I'm GonNa tear and as as you as you continue to acknowledge. I'M GONNA turn to my American racing manual collection and pull out a charter to and I mentioned the other day. My connection my only connection. Tannery is how you know having gotten to know his nephew Bob Marino at Low Sal. And he's a wonderful guy and everybody loves and I CAN ONLY IMAGINE. And you know what he's built he's he's broad shouldered and and kind of a built like a bull kind of like a folk and by the way. Bob Marino was in that we tend to think that I told you about arquette. Recall Incident I. I've also got the text on that topic from Chad. Checks Nader in New Orleans. Who who says that he was in a fantasy league with with our tack and said that hard tack would do anything to win. He he he'd pull out all the stops including some that wouldn't there weren't legal up really really. Does that will to win? You know to do any. I mean look. I'm no expert on on riding horse because you talked about eleven thousand. Something wins between between Sean Parker and totally black. That's a one thousand something more than I am but when you go back and you watch bill hardback right. I mean he was. He was not the picture of a perfect Z. As Pony alluded to saying you know how he was talked to Horst art technology bounce up and down and it and I called him better only wanted to win and they and I think I really do believe that desire then came then that desire is the competitive fire. He's passed on. I think I think the mouse deal that I really do you know. We know that animals feel so much in the air from us and I think if you're on the facts you know they're gonNA sit on Smell. Fear GonNa you know if you got apprehension that you don't really WanNa be riding their source. They're going to know that if they can if they can run the show. They're gonNA take advantage of so I think. Part of the part of the edge in air quotes that these great writers had or have that intense desire to win. And as I as I remember great ones that I've been around. They've all shared that income. And matter what you're doing didn't matter to the game port. Whatever they had to win. Well I've got good news and bad news on the Chart Front. I cannot I as one of the few racing manuals. And that's a point. Well may johnny one of the few manuals I do not have is eighty four. So I don't have the eighty three charts. You can add John White. You'll give you heal. I well Lee so I'm going to get around in ask. John Field is finishing order. Well I'M GONNA make a point that I is one thing that I do see. Just from from sayings season she picked the she would have been a champion. She would have been the turf mare champion in almost any other season. She happened to pick the year that all along decided to come. After the ARC after winning the Ark came to North America and won the Rothmans international one. What would become the Joe Hirsch Turf Classic and then the DC international and she ends up the filly and Mare turf champion. When Sang had won the Santa Maria Handicap then had kind of middle portion of the year. Where she she had a bunch of placements including second in the gamely and third in the vanity but then she got hot and she wins the Chula Vista the Ramona the Golden Harvest the yellow ribbon and the matriarch and that would have been a resume. I I would say in ninety. Three out of one hundred years would have won you of you know a year end honor but it just so happened that that you know all along. That's tough to argue With what all along. You know what what she did when she came granted. It was only three races between October and November. I mean basically my God in less than thirty days. She came to the United States or North America. She wins the Rothmans the turf classic and the DC international gets boys against the against the males. She was no no shaming being second to her. I really appreciate it Johnny I imagine that John White in his comments will also fold in some thoughts about Merano as well. Let me get some some business done with you as well. And it was a busy week We've got one more week of beat the host before beat the host championship. And Eddie Olczyk will close out the season and last week. Acacia Courtney one winter. But it was a a nice priced winner and so it may have done some damage. Well you know. You shouldn't be slightly McKay. She had to okay. She had frank rocket was short price. And that y'all had unaccountably so she had a total of thirty seven dollars In earnings per day Gelfand a couple of runner up three or four forces to finish second. She could have had a major day. But that's the way the cookie crumbles thirty seven dollars in earnings And and the winner the perfect score for the weekend if you had all the winters all racist. I've hundred four fifty. Which is the the largest perfect score of the season Mostly they're doing any roughly two to three hundred range so this one five hundred and and fifty is way. Above what She total have been so far a weekly winners this week. Marian he told Mendoza two hundred nineteen dollars earnings. Collect one thousand dollars weekly prize. Bruce Barton Two hundred seventeen dollars just two dollars behind the leader. Seven hundred fifty dollars. Alex Valenti two hundred thirteen dollars. Two hundred fifty dollars finishing third and And then the cumulative races without cumulative does this year they're kind of keep a running total of Buchen earn the most throughout the season. The leader the leader. Don't into last week Kevin McFarland. He has five hundred forty five dollars in earnings going into last week he came out of the week with five hundred forty five dollars in earning yet. Zero Ernie for the week Last week Stephen Sang. Yeah he only he only added fourteen dollars and fifty cents. Ruben Gentleman who actually led the cumulative race three weeks January twenty fifth straight. The only posted ten dollars so you had a case where all the leaders Had kind of weeks go by kind of weak so Stephen Jones who had a great week moved from death of the first one hundred thirty dollars a week? Close the gap like that and and is now a leader with six hundred five dollars fifty cents. So we've worked with SIXTY BUCKS BEFORE. Kevin McFarland The big but as you see. It's the leaders that bad weeks. You can make a lot of ground with with one. Really good what? He's is going to be quite see how that one goes down to the finish. I I still think no matter. What happens Kevin? Mcfarland deserves tip of the cat. I probably ended up with some Some money for whitening here. He doesn't get pop ride but he put down two weekly first place route. I you know it's very rare that someone wasn't doing beat the host for a long time now over a decade. It's very rare when someone we actually win two weeks the two weekly in the money part Kevin McFarland one to top weekly so that will contribute did his masters total but he deserved side of words to that great compliment and the sweep the whole read got seventeen flyers chasing Perfect you check. Take on this weekend. It sets up perfectly to become any ono this week. We've got we've got The final chance for you qualify for beat the host championship. All you need to do is beat the host total and you qualify for the championship and basically A free shot other than making wagers at winning Twenty twenty five thousand dollars and five so free roles you can beat the whole how get into the championship and then the top thirty choirs championship. Exact pricing they move on to spread. Showdown which is a two hundred dollars value each. So if you haven't played beat the host. It's not too late. Two thousand a weekly practice. What if you beat the host and move on the championship very nice seventeenth seven? So tell you that. That's what last year what we the last couple of years the Johnny. What did we end up with in terms of sweep the host? Actually it's been it's been growing when we originally started we would have. We would have no one right. I mean that was the way it went off for the first couple of years. No one would get to this point and then it started to be. You know we'd have pain six five you last week. You'd have two or three and you'd wonder if you know one person would survive But seventeen this year. It's kind of a reflection of look. I'm not going to criticize on. Hose but tweeted operator from host. They really haven't I mean the the top total host has been forty eight dollars. That's best any host is done on the karate second-best forty three dollars white thirty seven And quite open with thirty bucks so when you think that we look the leader. Cuba's the rear as Stephen Jones. He averaged seventy five dollars. A It's divided six thousand five hundred fifty. He's averaged seventy five Sixty weeks so you you think not one not one host. You know come close to that mark. It's been a good year in taking advantage of the host and that's one of the best of luck to everybody on Saturday facing addy and he'll make it tough usually does and really. I actually got to get in for because we haven't had a Montauk about his book. Have you read his book? I have I have good reason about you. Know what an amazing career you know to become a little different than others. You know different way to get to the top a lot of junior hockey a lot of you know. Pass different way to the top By the way that reminds me so happy for pursuit on a friend of Joe. I so I never back to handle. I'd never married sons young but as as you said you know people the following this story and followed we and the message and hearing them on your show rooting for him. Never met anyone associated with but to hear the that he signed signed with a debate club. And and don't be signed somewhere in the minors and you try and work is way off it. It's it's I mean. Look how kids. That was my dream to be Major League baseball clerk and I never got there. I I got close enough for somebody say you could find me and I. It's not really what I had I other than being being. The catcher I was excellent. Defensive Catch Other than having a week cards and other times pretty good so I am for for deep while that was when they had sending out a sitting on a bus sitting on a bus for hours on end in Gastonia North Carolina. Actually my brother played minor league baseball. he was a very far he played. Unlv uncoached you all the afterwards and he played in the minors for several years. And you know I. I went to visit him. You know. See a game I maybe it was Sacramento. Somewhere somewhere in California. I drove up to play. I don't remember where And then one was porter's after the game you know couple drinks and some food and I grind wind they go through and especially the catch catcher to You know the Brood feeding that you'd say that any position planning every day bosses aching. I mean it is not not getting paid much more I think he. I think he's I'm for like in dollars fifty thousand dollars. You know this is going back four years five years but you know this dream followed it and I remember when he called me to tell me that his shoulder was shot and he had a company Jackson you've been gone and he was done And he was calling to tell me that he's going to hang it up and then he'll operation was good wasn't gonNA get him back. He's a big. I said. Look that's fine if you had you gave it a good run you try again. But I don't WanNa be sitting around the dinner table in thirty years about how you could've made it. He's he signed the door and move on and he did Frank. You brought that your brother Frank. You knew and you know. What did you do before you know I had? I had believe me I had. I had minor league reference books. I had everything I bill. James Forget it I but he he was he was he was a cubs farm in. And you know you know friends with medical players is now come and gone but you know debates who made it and he thought you know I I I kinda compared to the You know the draft similar to what people go to sell me. Excuse me they picked out that. That's really our draft and and asked him. I said well you know the the guy they give money to make that much better are they. You know really a difference. These he said you know time guy didn't get all the money you're a lot better got exists. It's just the way it all develops save at your differently and it goes by taking the curve ball and the big money guys. Can you know it? Changes things change players teams abilities. Chain Injury Happen You know it's a is. It's not not not sign somewhat attended and sometimes involve no doubt but there's also an art special Art Guy Bill. Harrigan he has he has an art getting horses he could. He could write it all down and handed but you couldn't duplicate because Sharon cocoas close. So you know. I don't know how we got way on whatever it was It and people are wondering as you talk about your brother Playing for the cubs. He he was on a couple of teams major leaguers that That made it Gary Var show named people. Remember your show. And also Darren Jackson was on his themes him to who played later for the for the pods and and in addition to the cops and other Later coaching at UNLV. He had some big leaguers that program. I remember that I don't know if he was a teammate. Or if he coached him. I can't remember which good good player the the big third baseman for the giants. When all to manage. Yeah they managed a couple of years. I don't know if he's still I don't know if he's still I don't know if he's still doing well. Let me the discussion about. That's right. Then we got into your brother and Minor League Fernando where we before that I have no idea but but I may yes that could be but I don't know what the beat. The hosts connection was speaking of John. White is going to stand by Johnny PLOP. Wait wait wait wait. That's it. This was my nights. Who have he wrote a nice autographing? Wrote a nice little section in there. A Nice personal message to me And that I really appreciate and You know spokesperson. So he's going to be tough to beat this weekend. He's tough to beat the stuff to beat in contests the BBC the one of the greatest performances in history of any horse player. Here he doing stuff on air at at the same time playing his card I. It was unbelievable. It was remarkable. Eddie book is called beating the odds in hockey and in life Eddie oh check with curry comb. Who's a top sports journalist for years And of course Eddie battle with cancer and talks about that and and what that was like to get that news at a young age you know at the at the height of so many different things to get that might notice and then this battle through just it just good really good. Johnny de Everybody. Xp Johnny I appreciate it and big Saturday at Gulfstream. And we'll talk about everything on Monday screening from Johnny de Everybody. He'll be back in his familiar Monday. Slot this week so quick turnaround for Johnny. We're going to quickly turn around get Gianni White in here because we got twenty minutes and John's got a lot to talk about Undoubtedly APA at the top of the list. John Because you and I exchanged some notes and you were front and Center for his career. You know you said Johnny and There was only one person in my whole life. That's ever called me Johnny. Joe Hirsch I like it. He always told me he'd go. Johnny and So when I hear that I brought back a very fond memory right there by the way I was glad that you articulated that tremendous campaign by a long nineteen eighty-three because she wasn't just the American horse of the year. She was the horse of the world that year. But you made the point and it's true saying what a won an award in many years. You talked about that yellow ribbon that sang ran for Henry Marino. Bill Shoemaker Rotor. That day she rallied from last won by a length and a half as the two to one favorite. But you know back in those days. The yellow ribbon was really the Breeders Cup Filly America Turf That was the brainchild of Jimmy. Kilroy that race and that race really was the biggest race in the country for phillies. Mayors on the turf. There wouldn't be a philly mayor for the Breeders Cup until sixteen years after saying one. The yellow ribbon. The runner up in that race was light. La Trial Yacht with Eddie Delahoussaye. She was coming off a win in the EP Taylor. Third in the race was infinite and she was only coming off a win in the garden. City at Belmont fourth in the race was Sabin for woody Stevens who would be one of the top. Female grass renders in the country nineteen eighty-four avocation was fifth saying avocation and. Cassia ended up having a pretty good rivalry on the grass between those three in the early eighties. Avocation was trained by a very nice lady. Vivian Poem Charlie Wittingham Train Costanza. Who was ridden by Chris? Mccarron how about this who finished seventh the race coming in from France royal heroine for Michael. Stoute who then turned over to John. Gosden at of course the following year with win the Breeders Cup Mile the first one at Hollywood park so I mean that was just a tremendous field that sanguine but the the accomplishment that Henry Marina was the most proud of he trained a outstanding female thoroughbred in the Nineteen Seventies. That she he brought up from South America by the name of Titina won the nineteen seventy six and gorgonio handicap at Santa Anita. That's now the Bobby Frankel stakes. She won that race under a hundred and thirty two pounds. That's the most weight ever carried by affiliate mayor at Santa Anita not just a victory carried period. No failure mayors ever carried that much weight at Santa Anita and Tuesday carried and one with it the only other philly or married to ever carry more than one thirty in a race at Santa. Anita was way in nineteen thirty one and she won the Santa Barbara Handicap so those were the two most outstanding wait achievements by a female thoroughbred in the history. Santa Anita and Henry was very proud of that. I'll never forget meeting Henry Marino. I was just promoted as I had worked my way up the ladder with the racing form. At in the spring of Nineteen eighty-one they promoted me to the position of the reporter columnist Similar to Steve Anderson these days for the racing form and I worked alongside Mike Barton here in southern California and my first week They were running the spring meeting at Hollywood park and I was going around to the various trainers introducing myself to getting to know them at Hollywood park. There were two sections in the barn area. There was a new section with brand new barnes. Dwayne Lucas was over in that section. Charlie Whittingham was in the news section. And then people like Bobby Frankel and Henry Marina were over in the old section and so I went over to Henry's barn dance produce myself and I walked up and and He was always very friendly to me. Very courteous and I said Mr Marino. My Name's John Wyatt. I'm replacing Howard Johnson's L. With the racing for him and he says all your the new racing form Guy And I said Yes sir. He said He spent the next ten minutes berating. Not Me but a former daily racing form colonised by the name of Pat Robertson who had written for many years and evidently those two had had a number of run INS. And what have you and Henry made it clear that if if I was to become into his barn. I better not the better quote him correctly. A better no one. I'm talking about when I write about courses and so forth and I said Mr Marino I will do my very best enough to not make you mad and we got along very well All through the years I mean all the way throughout his life and he was a real real horse and you know. He started off in quarter horses and switched over to the thoroughbreds. So he he was one of those pave the way for Lucas some baffert that would later make that transition. I you know it. One of the one of the things a- about bringing up the names and the you know the individuals who we lose A. There's there's so many stories because the racetrack. It doesn't matter who you'd ask. I mean if you wait into the racing office you'd get a set of stories if you if you reached out to owners you get a set of stories. I it just it it. It's just amazing. the talk to the journalists. And and you know casual fans that would talk to the horsemen in riders etc it. That's what's that's what's so rich about About the game John I I. We're GONNA have about ten minutes or so. I know the abnd portion of the last couple of days. has has resonated with you because you were on hand for some very big moments as well. I called All of a sudden California charts and it was when he made his debut at Del. Mar is a two year old. He did so with quite a buzz. In fact I would say that there hadn't been as much buzz for first time starter as a two year old in California in southern California since Alysheba in the nineteen eighties. Sheep was a five hundred thousand dollars. Yearling AP Andy was a two point. Nine million dollars keeneland summer yearling at at that. Same Sale Sarah Mulkey the owner from Japan also bought AP jet for two million dollars so we bought one or two point nine and the other for two million. The year before that Mr mackey had bought a Picasso Painting for Fifty one point three million so that guy was spending a lot of money for horses and paintings in those days but when AP Andy made his debut in office the favourite he never really threatened. And you heard Neil Drysdale say he was never really comfortable because he have that undescended testicle they remove that and from then on AP. Andy went on a winning binge. Put together quite a winning streak and But I happen to be in Japan when AP jet ran in nineteen ninety one random the fourth race on Japan Cup Day and I was at the Japan Cup with my wife. Golden Pheasant won the Japan Cup. That day for Charlie Wittingham with Gary Stevens writing but that AP jet WanNa race on the dirt that day and absolutely annihilated the competition and AP jet would go on to Have a pretty darn good career at his own right Made over a million dollars was a group three winner. And then as you've set made the point it's true. He became a very successful sire in the state of New York. But I'll never forget watching that Just absolute annihilation of the competition of AP jet and then that Hollywood fatigue body Caused a bit of a controversy here in southern California but the controversy was not because he was hit a lot of times with the whip it was because he was never hit with the whip. And Eddie Delahoussaye if you go back and you can watch this on Youtube which I did yesterday to to Take another look at that race but Eddie. Dee Rides with ice water in his veins. He's absolutely just measuring the victory over dancefloor with Chris Hanley's down on the rail and at least going to the whip left-handed at any only shows the whip at that never never strength. Ap Andy With whip but showed with them down. The Lane wins by neck and that was a great one six hundred thousand dollar race and whenever I of all the hundreds if not thousands of charts. I called for the racing form. There are very very few in which the winner won by a small margin like a neck that I did not put driving for how the Horse won the race. And in this particular case I put ridden out and I got quizzed on that from these statistical office in downtown Los Angeles because they felt well. How can a horse win by only a neck and not be driving and I pointed out to them if you just read the comments under the The chart the chart comments in in the chart that you would see that He was only showing the whip. And that You know it was a confident ride by it and unfortunately in the great book champions put out by daily racing form that has the past performances of all the champions. I happened for the first time yesterday. Notice that they had made a mistake for that particular race in APN these past performances because they have driving and who whoever put that book together for that Horse in his past performances. Obviously that does not go hand in hand with what the official chart of that race says. And it's a shame because it was a fourteen horse field and you don't see many horses win by a neck and a fourteen or sealed that aren't driving so that was kind of a sign of a p Indy And Eddie Delahoussaye. Once told me that he really shocked his family when he before the Kentucky Derby Nine Thousand Nine hundred ninety two that he had told them this horse will win the triple crown and Eddie just was at that type of guy to make that kind of prediction and unfortunately as we all know the foot problem. caused AP. Andy scratched. And I'll never forget that because three days before that Kentucky Derby was opening day at Hollywood Park Again. I was calling the charts. And that's the scariest day I've ever had racing because as I left Hollywood park on that Wednesday before the Kentucky. Derby would be run on Saturday. That was the day of the L. Rodney King Riots Breaking Out in Los Angeles and The whole city was going up in flames and in fact some people like letter Dorfman. The trainer had been injured taken out of their cars cars damaged and so forth. So that was the scariest drive home from a track that I've ever had in my life. They cancelled racing for the rest of the week at Hollywood Park. So normally I would have been in the press box at Hollywood park when that Kentucky Derby was run that year but instead I was at my home and got up in the morning and found out the news. The had scratched and a good friend of mine that I will get to know years later that I stayed with it. Del Mar In the summers when I worked for the racing form there Retired neutral clerk. He had shown me a ticket that he bought an eight hundred to one fifty dollar bed at one hundred to one in the future book and my friend Roy. He was a fisherman and hunter and so forth and he was out fishing in. Colorado that week of the Kentucky Derby and he went from his campsite at a river and was driving all over Colorado trying to find some place that would have a TV so he could see that Kentucky Derby. He finally found a restaurant along the side of the road walked in and said do you guys have TV in here. And they said yeah the bar so he goes over to the bar and he says to the guy. Will you be showing the Kentucky Derby and the Guy said Yeah. I have the stations on right now. There are commercial than the guy asks my friend. Would he'd like to drink or whatever and then he said. Hey it's too bad about that. Horses scratched my friend. Roy Says Oh he says I knew I was probably dead he says who scratched and the guy says. Ap Andy at my friend got right up from the stool walked right back out in droves two or three or four hours whatever. It was back to his campsite that he'd lost that future but back because abnd scratched and You know AP. Andy of course would win the Breeders Cup classic that year. In in one of the best books I would recommend to your listeners if they do not have this book. It's the Breeders Cup Book. In which J permanent did the writing in it. Jay Preben I thought did the best description of the distinctive running style of APN. Because in that Breeders Cup classic proven wrote the DP Indy. His head low to the ground as if he were searching for contact lens and that was really. I thought hit the nail on the head in terms of trained described that rather distinctive way that a p Indy had of running so a lot of AP memories for sure this week and Boy what a racehorse. What a sire and like you the first guy popped into my mind was lending showman because I know lending. Shulman is like the president of the. Ap Andy Fan Club and Really AP. Andy Was Lenny. Show them with turbulent or was for me growing up so I really fell. You know The think of leading Shulman immediately. When I heard the sad news that abnd passed away but what a life a PNB lived there. There's no doubt you you know you can only I always reference Shug a when it comes to being just STOIC and appreciative of of what you know what they do in their careers and by the way. Pnd has still east tied for the Second Fastest Bell Mind. He's tied with easy. Goer for the second fastest Belmont stakes in history. Behind course the Great Secretariat Secretariat setting that record that. It's hard to fathom it would ever be tied or broken that to twenty four but Then in itself think of that. I have all these years all these Belmont. Ap tied with easy or to twenty-six flat for the Second Fastest Belmont in History Arisen Star in there somewhere too right and and Think of fleet. Alex had a at a pretty fast was clean fleet. Alex too fast one. Or there's somebody there's somebody that I always think of As as close up in there anyway you gotta just appreciate the life that they add as you know. Sometimes it says a racehorse. Sometimes we've talked about the stallions. Here's one that that just did did everything right Whatever his assignment John. Couple of quick notes as we go to wrap up your got about a minute. Haven't had a chance to really talk about Jonathan Wong. Sending out keeper of the stars in the Buena Vista on Saturday at at a big price and It just feels like she got kind of lost on the board. Keep her the stars though she really did you know since she had her last wins he had seemingly kind of Ghana form but she got on form here and because I mean Joey Olympic that was she. Has It all the wrong way? And I mean it's kind of being perceived to be a possible star here and I wouldn't give up on her as as as Jeff Siegel pointed out to you. I mean she's a southern hemisphere bread. So she's really three and a half running against older but you know for her to be such a. You know heavy favourite not be able to win. That race was You know I was a little disappointed by that because you know we love to see our stars looked like we had a you know. She's got she'll have plenty of chances. yes come just got just got nailed late Because I you know graded stakes. Wenden that this is a guy that has really put together quite a training operation up north and He starting to run more and more here in southern California and when he runs a horse she really have to pay attention. He's a high percentage trainer. He always has been and one of the keys to him if he runs horses refills. They're gonNA run well so even when they're big price like that with keep rue the stars. There's someone that you don't WanNa totally ignore. We'll get a chance to catch up with the one and regulate him on this first grade snake. We lost that day on Monday and put us on our heels tomorrow of course weekend preview where we'll be focused on Gulfstream. We'll talk to Jay permitted J just minutes ago sending out the congratulations and the news story of Louis. Ketone yes Being named the George Woolf Memorial Jockey Award winner for this year so congratulations to notice. This was a fast moving and busy morning they just ran that not all Sheba trophy and it was actually secret adviser that Second Choice Spanish mission. Little too far back under Spencer and left a little bit too much to do and ended up. Maybe fifth but Secret Adviser for Good Alvin. Wins that trophy steak today just minutes ago at May Dan WanNa thank Dick Powell and Brian laid out. You'll be able to hear the strike five now USCIS again tomorrow. Tony Black Sean Parker Johnny Dean John White. Good luck to everybody. Talk to you tomorrow.

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Joe Harper Interview - January 12, 2018

The Horse Racing Radio Network Podcast

15:39 min | 2 years ago

Joe Harper Interview - January 12, 2018

"Well, few people have spent more summers at old del mar than Joe Harper who is the chief executive officer of the del mar thoroughbred club. He has been there for forty years. Yeah. Four decades started at del mar nineteen seventy eight and will receive the eclipse award of merit coming up. The clips awards on January twenty fourth at Gulfstream Park in recognition of a lifetime of outstanding achievement in thoroughbred racing. And Joe kind enough to join us now up bright and early in southern California. Joe appreciate the visit congratulations on that. Tremendous honor. Thank you, obviously a great honor. And it's very kind them to interact Nuys the new guy, I think, you know, you get old enough. They start giving you things. But this is a this is a real real honor for me. I can tell you that. Yeah. It certainly is that when you talk to people about del mar what what makes it so special. What things do you want them to know about the race track? In about the location. Well, I think you know, I mean, we're we're whereas it's easy to be a successful. When you're you know, a couple of feet from the Pacific Ocean. And in a, you know, they -cation destination spots, but I think it's it's the entertainment value is the fun place. You know, there's lots of things going on down here in this area. Del mar surly one of them. It's I think we've always tried to market the places just come out and have fun whether or not you're a racetrack or than hanging around the horses for a long time. But but it's a party. It's it's a great atmosphere. And I think that's you know, the the great employees, and we've got there were all pretty pretty friendly. We all like each other. And it's a great work environment. When we were talking about you coming on the show earlier today, I talked about you. And in the fact that you know, you've you've done so much for del mar. But you've always done it in a fund manner. Your sense of humor. Your love of the game. And and the way that you presented. It comes from the top down everybody. There is in a good mood because when you come to work in the morning, you're in a good mood, and you're always smiling always got great stuff going on. And you've been like that I've known you for forty years, and you've you've been like that every day. Yeah. I think well there are some days. But. Well, we all have those fans, but for most part, but I mean, who would you be happy living here, and and at working with these great guys. But I think it is. I think I think you know, if you're lucky a business not just a racetrack. We'll take on a personality of sewn, and I think the the people that run it are really the the tone centers for that type of personality. And I think that you know, with the Hollywood routes that we have here. I it they'll mar or the old Bing Crosby, and they'll go in there Hollywood kinda found at the place went back in the thirties. And I think that's kept on me that listen, it's kinda my heritage growing up at a motion picture family. And it kind of it was just a fit, you know, the first time I wa- actually I came down here in the sixties as a as a cinema photographer and Judy was working in the press box somewhere in there too. And so it was you know, as always is always part of. Part of my heart when I came down here. And so I would it was, you know, Joe you mentioned growing up in a motion picture family, the grandson of Cecil b hill. Tuck a little bit about the early days of Joe Harper and being introduced to that side of things into racing in general. Well, I think you know, growing up, and you know, where you know, every time he came home was Charlton Heston or you'll Brenner or or some Hollywood personality there, Gary Cooper, it was it was spending. You know hours on the sound stage. Joe being a circus performer or the Hebrew slave or whatever they stuck me in. I'll tell you the circus performer at seven was easy. The Hebrew slave at eleven with. I look more like an Irish paper voice. I think that's why I hate it here. My grandfather moved him back a little bit. People in the exodus. I was. Other than one. It was it was it was great growing up in there. And you you have a sense of entertainment. You know, what gets into people to movie is is not that remote from from what gets people into a racetrack. It's all about entertainment and put him in a in a an environment. And that's you know, I think my background in the growing up probably helped me in in racing. Well, it certainly shows because you get fantastic crowds. And there there's always something extra at del. Mar it's not just going to the track. There's there's you know, there's shows after the races there's events in the infield. There's always something going on there. That's that's not strictly involved with racing. But but ways to get new people in and I know, it's a constant struggle. You mentioned me working in the press box. The thing that used to irritate me. The most is when people would say, oh, the horses are running at del mar. And I go what what are we doing? You know? I mean, it's such a great place to be in the color and the excitement. And now, you've you've turned it into a fashion event in a party in all of these things. And it's it's really a be seen kind of place and people love to go. I mean, they can't wait to get there. Yeah. We're we're lucky there. And I think it all stemmed back from trying to figure out. Why people didn't I know when we it's market research and asked him they've been to del mar. And they said, no he said why they couldn't give us an idea. I couldn't give us a lesion, and so then you realize oh, well, they just don't want to. They don't care about going to racing. You know? So let's give them a reason to come out there. And that's when a concert started, and the and the food trucks and the family fun days. And and everything we could think of almost every day. There's something other than just racing going on there. And and I think we've made a lot of fans for del. Mar. I I hope we made a few fans for racing in general, but but del mar seems to have a life of its own down there. And you know, we've been lucky even camped Omar what a what a fantastic concept to get, you know, young people involved. I mean little kids go to camp del mar. And and they that's gotta rub off on a lot of them. Yeah. Well, the parents sometimes you gotta teach him to bet. Yeah. That's an idea. We do have a bouncy ball race in between the races. So that's been a big yet. Yeah. Visiting with Joe Harper. The chief executive officer of the del mar thoroughbred club he will receive the eclipse award of merit on January twenty four th at Gulfstream Park. And that is an honor that recognizes a lifetime of outstanding achievement in thoroughbred racing. Joe you've been credited with so many iconic achievements at del mar over the years when you think back on those forty years, what are some of the things that you are most proud of. Well, I think I we have to say that that I take credit for all the other people that are doing the hard work and without down. You know, we'd be nothing. And and, but I I think I don't know. I mean, we're having fun down here. It's I it just it just the pieces seem to fit as we went along and came up with stuff. And I mean, you know, Craig Dato supermarketing guy, and he gets it. You know, the top guys down. Here are. All kind of all on the same page. I it's you know, it, it's it's it just works. You know? And so I'm not sure point out any one particular thing. But I do think it's a it's a feeling it's a it's an environment that we've created that that makes people want to come, you know, that whole Pacific classic thing has worked out pretty good. Yeah. It sure did, you know, John, maybe it was on the her original director and president of del mar. And I think he had more horses in training in this country. Anybody else at one point and John was say we have to get a million dollar raising the boss, we're we're not making enough money. But of course, the funny we we did make enough money to put a million dollar race on. Of course, he wanted the first one with best pal. But, but you know, I it it certainly is you know, that million dollar figure always puts you on the map bed, and we get some pretty good orces out here for it. And and Breeders Cup was a was the big deal. I mean. Thank goodness crate for able you know, hey, losing. But I think we we came out a lot better with him being readers kept. And then actually Bill Maher because he made the eastern contingent. I think understand what Bill Maher was about. And and how how we could handle the Breeders Cup and seem to work pretty good when we had it here and coming back. So it'd be looking forward to it. That was one of the most outstanding breeders cups of all time. I thought something that I waited for for many many years to have Breeders Cup at del. Mar. That was that was just awesome. Yeah. I, you know, well, the plant when we built a redid this plant rebuilt the whole track and early nineties that was always kind of in the back of our minds was, you know, let's build this place where we are the high end, can, you know, utilize it on those kind of days in and so it lend itself to Breeders Cup with then we purposely kept the crowd down, you know, to under forty thousand just so people would be able to move around easier and do that, but we had so many high end spots that the price points were certainly the made it the most successful financial Drake's Cup ever. So that was they like that we like him and everybody discovered San Diego del mar. So I think look forward to coming back. Joe you touched on the early days in being around the cinema. Folks. Did we were you always thinking? That at one point in your life. You were going to be involved in racing in some capacity or was there a time when you said, you know, what maybe I want to do something a little bit different. Well, I think yeah. I think those early days hanging out being on the set and everything, and I thought, gee, this acting thing might be kind of fun. My first real job other than than cleaning out stalls at the family ranch was was delivering the mail them Jim studios, which which opened my eyes to a lot of the businesses. I hit. No. But I think that you know, we always had horses. My mom read them race them. She was the first female, president of the breeders association. She was dynamic person in the sport. And I think, you know, seeing her and and the fund she had and and I kinda got me toward it. I was always out at the track it as a kid, and I remember as a little boy sitting with her outside the stable gate at Hollywood park. Now, we didn't go in right away. I said. Why don't we go? And she's a because the sun isn't up yet. And they wouldn't let women in the backstretch until the sun came up. Yeah. Yeah. It was the good old days. Right. So I mean, if things like that that just you know, what she went through. And then how she did it, and she was such a great role model for me and about I figured, you know, if she can have this much fun and enjoyment out of it. Maybe ought to give it a try and then Jill Burnham straight. You know, cameraman producer of many TV shows involving racing came along and offered me a job. And and I said, oh, okay. So that kind of not me working at San Nita during the nineteen sixty six sixty seven racing season was the first year that I actually had a job at a race track. And it was fun. It was you know, Santa Anita Hollywood and del mar. And that's that was a circuit. We were on is camera guy. And you know, I was hooked. Well, a lot of people don't remember the days when when del mar was actually like a B track where the person's were really small and all the Jackson left after Hollywood park to go to Saratoga net. And and but but I'm old enough. Now. I remember that. And it's really funny now when I when I tell people that dome are used to be that way. It wasn't always the the great place that we're so used to now they're always surprised like like, it was always that way. But in the forty years that you've been involved the purses of gone from, you know, eight thousand dollars into the millions of dollars. And it's it's just a tribute to what you've done all those years and done it methodically and expertly in just built it up to what it is. Now. Thank you. I think you know, the whole concept behind the del mar thoroughbred club when we came in to get the least back in the sixties. What is your hand? Let's put all the money back into the facility. Let's make this place. A cool it could have gone country fair direction or or or Togo direction. And I think when you figure out that when you when you can make a money to and put it all back into the facility in one form or another. That's that's a great great payoff, and it's worked so well over the years of you know, I may last year we'll we'll put twelve million dollars into this facility through profits from racing. And it doesn't go anywhere. It doesn't go into dividends for directors. Or it doesn't go anywhere off the track goes right right into del mar. And that that capital improvements on that we build up over the years has really led to let to the success building a new race track. And and just keeping all the improvements up today. Joe breakout? Your crystal ball, what does the future hold for del? Mar. Now, I'd like to think we can keep this role going. I think that you know, I I I mean, I'm stepping back a little bit. I've Josh Joshua stands new president. And I and he's been here since he was in high school great kit. Great smart. And I I, you know, I I always maintained that you ought to. If you aren't smart enough. You oughtta surround yourself with people that are smarter than you. It's sometimes I be pretty easy. But you know, the people we have now here working here. They understand it. They get it. They're smart. And I think the future is in their hands. Really an and I can continue the the direction we've gone in of entertainment value. And and and you know, the best racing we can get and just keep our our attitude happy and above board. I think you're, you know, you're you're going to have the best shot of of of of keep this thing going the way. It is now one of the true good guys in the sport of thoroughbred racing. Joe Harper the chief executive officer of the del mar thoroughbred club with us here on the horse racing radio network. Joe appreciate the visit here this morning. Appreciate you getting up early with us on the west coast and look forward to seeing you at Gulfstream Park and congratulations again on that honor. Enjoy your special night at the eclipse awards. Hey, thanks a lot. It's been good talking to you guys.

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New Music Friday: May 22

All Songs Considered

27:57 min | 1 year ago

New Music Friday: May 22

"Take on Bullseye this week. Tina fey on creating unbreakable kimmy Schmidt thirty rock and being the best of every. There was a window of time when we go to award things and pick up our prizes and party with the people from Madman this week on bullseyes for maximum funding or NPR happy Friday everyone from NPR music. And all songs considered. I'm Robin Hilton. It's new music Friday that day of the week when most new albums come out. I'm here with an powers. Robin and Steven Thomson. Hello Robert on this episode. We're doing a quick rundown of the best new releases out on. May Twenty seconds including the return of the airborne toxic event the indigo girls. The Rapper GonNa and more though we start with the nineteen seventy five in their latest. It's called notes on a conditional form bill. Said this is the one thousand nine hundred seventy five. Their new album is called notes on a conditional form and this cut. We're hearing this called me and you together song. This is the band's fourth full length album and the second part of a bigger project that I'll try to sum up as quickly as I can. Which is their third album was going to be called music for cars. That was supposed to come out a couple of years ago instead. They decided to release it in two parts. The first was called a brief inquiry into online relationships. That was the first part out November two thousand eighteen. Now we're getting the second part notes on conditional form all told it's nearly forty tracks and Steven. It's just a a huge sprawling. I think masterpiece which is so many ideas and sounds that are exploding in a thousand different directions. Let's run through the first four tracks on this album. The first is a like a five minute. Preamble called the nine hundred seventy five. That is mostly a monologue. By a great attune barrack. The Swedish environmental activists we all right now in the beginning of climate and ecological crisis. And we need to call it what it is. The second track is this scathing punks on copy people. Then you have this like neoclassical instrumental called the end music for cars and then you get this like Justin Bieber style sleek dance. Pop Song called Frail State of mind. This album is all over the place and for me. It works really really. Well he Mattie Healy's the singer and he is just throwing ideas after ideas after ideas against the wall and I'm shocked at how many of them stick in two thousand fourteen. I think it was Matt. Healy said I don't want to become like Bondo. Well matting sorry. This record just confirms to me that he is an absolute classic rock experimentalist in the tradition of you to at their best and disband is in the tradition of Youtube at their best. Or even I mean they're not the Beatles but this record kind of reminds me of the white album the way that Maddie and the band are trying on all these different forms and yet who they are especially who he is always shines through. Whatever cost you he puts on. Yeah and we've we've been talking about this album for several minutes and there are still genres and styles and sounds that we have not even touched on. There's a song on this record. Called nothing revealed everything denied that opens up and it sounds exactly like wham. I think a pretty monumental work from the one thousand nine hundred seventy five. It's called notes on a conditional form. Let's go next to one. I know we're all excited about this week. Because we're all super fans of these two women the indigo girls. Their new is called. Look Long I work at the mall again. Oh affects settling in turn on the country radio and they make is lonely little slung under the style. Straight got up aren't in the mood. Mattis Elit is just country. This is the indigo girls. Their new one is called look long in the song. We're listening to his called Country Radio I know that we all have a lot of love for this. Duo and Have a lot that we want to say so. I'll go big right out the gate here and just say that the indigo girls completely saved my life when I first started listening to them in the late nineteen eighties particularly with that self titled Record that they had in one thousand nine hundred nine. I was having a youthful existential crisis and their music their songs. They helped me understand who I was and I wanted to be in life in. I think this is kind of amazing to me here. They are more than thirty years later. With what I think is a truly great record. It truly is one of their best. And I feel this is a moment for the indigo girls. There have been lots of indigo girls moments. They've saved lots of lives if you go to. Npr Music Right now. You can read a great essay by the writer and scholar Karen Thompson about what makes the indigo girls so special. She argues that. It's the way that they're sound. Grounded in the harmonies that contrasting connect- two different personalities in two different voices how that sound actually represents community and creates community. It allows them to be political as in the song we just heard country radio which is a very heartfelt story about being gay and wanting to hear yourself on the radio and you know it's about representation it allows them to be really personal reflect on their own lives together and apart it allows them to rock because amy ray is a rocker it allows them to be beautifully pop. The Way Emily Saliers can write incredible ballad that Celine. Dion could sing all of those things fall within the practice of indigo girls. And you know the fact that both of you have stories about how much you have been changed by them. Just shows how their community goes wide and deep. Sometimes we talk on a grander scale about like the music you fell in love with when you were like seventeen. Eighteen nineteen years old really imprint. On you in ways that other music doesn't necessarily and I think indigo girls have been around for so long that a bunch of their records have been that kind of formative experience for several generations of music fans. You know it is just glorious and it's Ben Glorious for so for decades now and I'm just delighted to see them continue to put out records delighted to hear those records. Continue to be terrific. Yeah there's a song on this album called. When we were riders that I thought said a lot about where they are right now in their lives and in their music the line is it might just look like smoke in my eyes but I'm still burning inside. They still have more in them that they want to get out more that they want to say with their music. You know what a band to offer us the gift right now because I think we'll all agree. We really need that kind of community and connection indigo girls. Their new one is called. Look Long. Let's do one more before we take a break. This is from a win. Palette Owen Palette has a new one called island. Posted seemed a suspicious. Sean thank you. This is Owen. Palette his new. And it's called this song. We're hearing from. That record is called a bloody morning. Owen. Palette is a classically trained composer. He's a singer songwriter. Multi instrumentalist hand in all kinds of projects and collaborations over the years. But this is his fifth solo studio album in his first and six years And Stephen kind of like the nineteen seventy five album. This is one that has a lot of grand ideas ambitions. Yeah this is Owen Palace. First Solo album since in conflict in two thousand fourteen. But he's been extraordinarily busy in that time he was nominated for an Oscar for music heated for the wonderful movie her. He's won an emmy. This is kind of a surprise release He worked on it with the London. Contemporary Orchestra recorded at Abbey Road. So he's just been rolling around for such a long time and this record I don't know it just feels very personal and very contained and complete and it's just a lovely record. There's a song called fire. Which really gives you the flavor of Owens lyrics which are so passionate. Dare I say romantic in the Classic Sense. It's about the whirlwind of emotions that you over at the end of a relationship or when a relationship goes wrong you know. Oh I never learned how to hate. I never learned how to be hated. Kennedy controlled can anything be controlled. Those are the beginning their ex and then the music you know. It holds it so gently at holes these violent and intense sentiment so gently. It's fascinating balance. Yeah it almost sounded like an opportunity like some sort of celestial cosmic opera a wooden pilot. The album is called island and we still have a few more albums that we WANNA play for this week's new music Friday plus our lightning round of some other notable releases out today but first we need to take a short break. This message comes from. Npr sponsor. Better help the online counselling service dedicated to connecting you with a licensed counselor to help you. Overcome whatever stands in the way of your happiness. Fill out a questionnaire and get matched with a professional tailored to your needs. And if you aren't satisfied with your counselor you can request a new one at any time. Free of charge visit better help dot com slash songs to get ten percent off your first month. Get the help you deserve with better help. It's not music Friday from NPR and all songs considered. I'm Robin Hilton. I'm here with an powers in Stephen Thompson and we're looking at the best releases out on. May Twenty seconds. We start the second half of our show off with the airborne toxic event. They're back with the new one called Hollywood park data three food red third were. Aw this is the airborne toxic event their new. And it's called Hollywood park. This is the title cut to the record. This is the band's first album in five years it is a companion piece to a new memoir also called Hollywood part by frontman. Ucla who I should mention used to be a contributor to NPR. Doing music reviews on all things considered an and there's really a pretty incredible story that Mikhail Jill tells on this record and in his book so he was born into sin and on which was an addiction recovery program that honestly Kinda turned into a cult and he was rescued by his mother who really struggled with some personality disorders and raised in serious poverty in the Pacific northwest in eighteen years. He reconnected with his father's sort of Griffin her. And that's where the title Hollywood park comes from Hollywood park racetrack that they used to go to a lot together. So the memoir. I just wanted to say it's really worth read. Mccullough so bravely about the deprivations of his childhood and the little details in this book are just stunning just really well rendered and that's there in the songs to the songs are big. The sound is big but there is a vulnerability that runs through this record. That's extremely powerful. And I think although his story is unique the power of the record resonates in many people will be able to relate to it. This record to me really feels musically of a piece with that song. I mean this is a this a yell like Hell to the heavens band along with with Japan androids and Titus Andronicus and hold steady. You just picture. A foot kicked up on a monitor as a fist thrust to the heavens. This is that this is that kind of music and it's just carried off exceptionally well. It's funny you say that. Because I kept thinking Bruce springsteen like it's very specific. Yeah I mean a very powerful potent record from the airborne toxic. Event's called Hollywood park there first and five years. Let's go next to the rapper. GonNa GonNA has a new one out today. Called one Grechko. Lots of my quarter. I think I keep on my my model. I love my fellow pro. Forma Puszta John. Living Condo cody. I hit my kids. Might not good games to me. Place this is the Atlanta Rapper. Ghana has called one and this cover listening to his dollars. On my head features young Klug and for this one we welcome back. Npr Music Sydney Madden Sydney. Happy Friday we made it up you Friday. I think that every week I'm still here now so a gun. And this is his second studio. He's had a a bunch of mix tapes but this is his second folding studio project. Sending tell us what it is that you're loving about this one this week yeah I hope I don't sound too bias. Begun GonNA is definitely one of my favorite rappers out outright. Now he's one of the most consistent workhorses out of the South and a lot of rap fans probably know him as a protege of young thug he's even signed to ysl which is young bugs label. But I feel like in the last couple of years. He's really proven himself to be more of a like a rap game concilliatory. He's someone who always Adds a couple ounces of aloofness to every track he jumps on. You know and his flow is never rushed. And you choose. His beats that suit his unfazed by everything type of flow and delivery. So honestly what makes him? Most exciting to me is his consistency with an underrated. Key in that game. So I've seen GONNA referenced as the King of Drip. His last album is called drip or drown to a lot of his songs and he was nominated for a grammy for song called drip too hard that he did with little band. Massive saw. We'll well Sydney. Can you walk us through drip music? I mean drip is referring to like dripping in diamonds. But how does that manifest in his music? What makes his music drip music beyond that? Well I think the key is amending. Kinda like Adrift. Song is what I said before that that aloofness that nonchalant that unfazed it's like yeah. This is a regular day for me. I have two hundred fifty thousand all over my body. It's normal whatever. I'm just running to the store. It's that level of opulence and luxury that you act like it's built into your DNA already at that level of confidence with it. You know it's interesting. You say that Sydney because there is a lot of that opulence as you say in luxury on this record and some bravado like end GonNa End GonNA lives a pretty extravagant lifestyle in real life. But you know you hear them in interviews and he'll talk about the importance of family and appreciating what you have because you could lose it at at any moment. Yeah and he's someone like I said he's a workhorse. He was always associated with young thug. And maybe some people think he had Kind of already shoe in the door because of young thug but he's someone who worked really hard from the jump of selling his own tapes and you know earning his own stripes even without a cosign. So that's what makes his music relatable in that sense. You know like that. Pull yourself up type of vibe and I will say. This album runs a bit long for my taste at seventeen tracks but I mean at listening to it already. There's a lot of joints that I'm feeling on here. Do better met gala blindfold featuring baby and I don't know me and my puppy of bouncing all day to it in quarantine. The wrapper is gonNA. His new one is called. WanNa thanks so much. Sydney Union puppy hanging there. Thank you be well guys all. We have one more album that we WANNA play for this week's new music Friday but there are a handful of other releases that we want to mention Four may twenty second. I'll start with badly drawn. Boy Badly drawn boy is back with their first new album in eight years. It's called banana-skin shoes. If you don't know this band They had a couple of breakout in two thousand two thousand and two including the soundtrack to the film about a boy. Their new one is called banana. Skin shoes CODA the friend. A Brooklyn based rapper has a new one out called everything and Steve. Earle and the DUKES are back with an album. Called goes of West Virginia to notable records from the new music slash. Classical sphere one is a tribute to Bob Hurwitz Longtime president of none such records. It's called is still play. It's Solo. Piano works written by everyone from John Adams to Laurie Anderson to fill glass to Brad Mel Dow Pat Metheny Etcetera Etcetera performed by Tiba. Andres Jeremy Denk Brad Meltdown Randy Newman. And then there's a very exciting digital only release which is a recording of Philip Glasses. Music in eight parts which was a piece that everyone thought was sort of lost time and misadventure but the score was rediscovered at auction in two thousand. Seventeen and the Philip Glass Ensemble has recorded in quarantine and put it together. So that's a really exciting development for fans of Phillip Glass Music in eight parts. We've talked on this show about her fondness for the Indie Folk Rock Group Woods of very lush sweet sound. They've got a new album called strange to explain. Tove Lo put out one of my favorite pop records of last year sunshine. Kitty that has a deluxe edition with eight new songs as the sunshine. Kitty prints edition and and finally the artist. Neil Innis Neil. Innes died in December. He was a key member of the Bonzo. Dog abandoned the ruttles His first solo album from nineteen seventy-three is called how sweet to be an idiot. It is getting a deluxe reissue with some new tracks. That is out today all those albums out now on. May Twenty second along with this last one that we WANNA feature it comes from Katie von slager. It's called consummation ooh Sky This is Katie. Von Schleicher her new and has called consummation. And this song that we're hearing this called Bob. Boylan actually turned me onto her a few years ago and just played another cut from the record on the Tuesday episode of all songs considered earlier this week. If you missed that go back and check that out for sure but I wanted to let everyone here. A bit more from the album. Because Katie von Schleicher does do a lot of different things on it so many different elements working together here. Her Voice I find is is somehow really delicate and strong. She layers at beautifully. Just these little glitch e electron ix kind of dancing around in the mix. Atmospherics love this records. So much part of what really jumps out at me about this record is some of the thinking that went into it. She read a lot of great writers. Women like Rachel cuss can Carmen. Maria Machado Rebecca solid. Who wrote about the difference? Consummation which is very goal oriented and predatory and communion between two equals and so. This album is picking apart some of those same ideas. I mean it's called consummation and so what's assessing gender dynamics and relationships through that lens kind of landing in some really interesting and sometimes very fatalistic places. I'll say the obvious. Which is that if you like. Saint Vincent you'll probably like this record I think both conceptually and sonically Yvonne Schleicher's treading in similar territory. It's interesting isn't it? How so many musicians right now are looking at other art forms and considering their art forms whether it's their own memoirs like a airborne toxic event this week or mark landing and recently everything connecting and colliding. And you really see that on this record. That's where a lot of its energy comes from. I think you have. This album culminates in a song called. Nothing lasts it. Has this line in at that. Really kind of sums up her worldview says nothing lasts for long. Nothing lasts see. It's gone well. This is quickly becoming one of my favorite albums of the year. So far Katie Schleicher. Her new one is called consummation. And that'll do it for this week's new music Friday. Thanks so much Anne. Thank you so much Robin Steven Steven thanks to you. Both if you want to see a list of everything that we talked about in here full versions of the songs we featured on this week's show go to our website. Npr DOT org slash. All songs you can also listen to the playlist in both apple music and spotify. All you do is open this absence search for. Npr's new music. Friday playlist also a reminder sign up for our newsletter to keep up with all the latest from NPR music including tiny desks music news special features and a whole lot more just go to NPR dot org slash music newsletter and for NPR music. 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