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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

06:57 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"The fall that he actually saw was the one. She took down this embankment. So the bridge abutment. Though that's just an incidental part of the story in tom's version of events. Yes he says that just happens to be the place she ended up. It was as far as she got given the injury. She sustained going down that embankment. Okay so was. Tom able to get any traction. With this. theory in terms of the police was enough to reopen. The case woman in the end i mean he still feels like holly's death was accidental and reopening the case. Change that and really. I guess he's saying that. Even if the driver of that cab saw her fall. is it a crime not to helper the again. You could go to civil court. It's a whole thing. But i don't know that it's necessarily a criminal charge in the eyes of the canadian law really. There aren't any solid answers to be had in holly's case and i think the likeliest scenario actually goes back to the core of the polices theory that holly potentially wasn't fact quite drunk. Most of the people who were with her that night insisted that she wasn't that bad like they didn't think she was wasted visit. She's not that bad but at least one of her friends says that it was the drunk they'd ever seen her during their investigation. Police found that she had at least five to six drinks to martinez like a half bottle of wine. Maybe another martini and then another drink in the span of like ours. I mean i think that's a lot of alcohol especially for a small person. We haven't talked about holly stature. But she was only four foot eleven and just a little over one hundred pounds but the other thing i wonder is. Have you ever heard anyone talk about how often like drunk drivers are often way better off in a collision than the other people in a vehicle that that they might hit. Yeah i have actually. It was something about how being drunk kind of protects you from some injuries and like reflexes. If you will yes when you're sober your natural instinct is to brace for impact you get really tight and that can actually make your injuries worse. People don't do that in the same way when they're drunk. Like all of their reflexes are dull so it can actually have a protective factor. Which is how you hear of some drunk drivers walking away from an accident unscathed okay. But holly didn't walk away from that fall unscathed. She didn't know but let's argue the polices theory of events for one second. Let's say it's right that she did climb up that cable abutment and fall down again. Maybe she fell and didn't get as injured as she might have because she was drunk because she didn't have those instincts to brace and potentially make injuries worse bras. The i think the hardest part about this story is that hazy place between what we know and what we don't it's not hard to imagine how it must have felt that night. I injured freezing cold. Maybe one too many drinks just trying to get home and never getting there. I mean the fear and anxiety. She must have been feeling during those hours. It is hard to even think about what something i can't get over in. Toms theory is the stuff from inside your purse right so she was on with her purse. It was empty but her stuff was found up by the complex. I how yeah. I can't either. I mean so. We know for sure that night right like the one thing. We have on surveillance footage. Is the taxi driver coming back. I think a lot of people in their theories think that potentially he came back to drop the stuff off there. But here's my problem with this. And why maybe. I'll give the driver benefit of the doubt historic real because to me if she goes off the embankment right at the end of this long road before we even get to the bus before we even get to the driveway of her place. You only need to go up that way. One time to drop off her stuff right. So why would he leave. And then come back yes. So let's say tom series right. They in some altercation she goes down he sees her fall and he's like oh crap. Why not. Just then like turnaround and leave. He went all the way down actually went to her apartment. Went back down the road and then coming back a second time to me if she falls at the kennedy crest building. He's not gonna go all up to the convoy towers. Yeah you only need to go one time to drop off the stuff and if you do go drop off the stuff like that's a lot of premeditation to say like i'm gonna make this whole story about a fault which he didn't even do the first time that he talks to police right. If you're going to make it up you make it up from the very beginning. So it's consistent or whatever yes so. I think tom series more believable. Because of where she was found all her friends she would made that walk. The traffic hughes were too much. It didn't make sense. And i believe that but to me there is still something big. There is a big piece of this puzzle. that is still missing. Why did holly have her purse. But all of her stuff is there. Why did he make two trips. If one of them didn't have holly in the car despite all of this all of the physical evidence points to holly's death being a tragic accident halifax police s p q and the pi all came to that same conclusion. And maybe that's true. I think the hardest part of this is potentially how preventable her death could have been. I mean what if someone had convinced her to stay at the university club a little bit longer or what. If they had noticed she was drunk and as a friend gone with her would if the taxi driver had acted differently at the very least he'd known she was blind. Maybe he would have been more likely to help if he saw her fall. Make sure that she didn't get out of his car but got to her building to her front door and one piece. If any one of those things had happened this story could have had a much different end. We may not be telling it all and that's why we talk about on this show. It's important not just to look out for yourself but to look out for those around you you're friends even if you don't know that the people you come in contact with. I think whether someone is a friend acquaintance or we don't know them at all. I think we all have a responsibility to one another. No matter how we come in contact holly was an incredible person with an amazing spirit. There's no question that her death was tragic and the people who love her are still trying to make sense of what happened that night. Holly refused to be defined by her blindness. And i don't think she'd want to be defined by her last days either. Holly packed a lot of life into her thirty one years. And i think that is how she would.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

08:08 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"The blunt force trauma to her mouth and face was also caused by the fall. What they said was that was consistent with injuries sustained in a fall. Yes you could be injured this way. in the event of a fall possibly possibly. Yeah but there's something about the way that these are described that makes it seem like more violent than that but the other strange thing is the poems of her hands which you think would be in terrible shape on someone who'd fallen at least a couple of times we'll and i was also thinking on your hands and knees up a concrete abutment. You'd have some sort of abrasions. Yeah but holly's poems had no injuries. And i mean nothing. It was actually the back of her hands. That were covered in cuts and scrapes. Now one of the things that they talk about in both the podcast and the documentary is could she have had her hands up like she was protecting her face from something. You mean like from someone it could be someone or really could even be some thing now. I haven't seen photos of her hand. So i don't know what the injuries look like to describe them to you. But i think about being in holly's position one of the natural instincts. We have is to protect our head in our face. So imagine you're incomplete darkness. You're falling and then crawling through a rough area. I'm just thinking going through the fence. It's not like super claims like brush and stuff like you're physically going through rough branches and sticks and thorns honestly. I think i'd be covering my face and your point. If someone was coming at me. I would for short be covering my face but i think someone's it was coming at me. It's almost like my natural instinct. You see defensive wounds. It'd would be like did do that with my poems out however if i was more vulnerable like holly i don't know if i would react the same way and have those normal defensive wounds that you'd expect like maybe the instinct to push away or even fight back happens when you can see your attacker right. And if you're incomplete darkness in someone's attack new you might just go into that immediate defensive position but i guess my question is if her instinct was to cover her face. Why is that the place where she sustained the most severe injuries. Yes so see. This is where i spiral on this case. Either way an interesting observation that tom makes that she has these wounds on the back hands but not the poems something that wasn't called out at all during the initial investigation to me. It's one of those things that is like. How can you say what happened. When they're unanswered questions still four things. That aren't even mentioned right. But here's the thing i mean. Tom's finding all of this new stuff so many years later but even with the new insights the conclusion. Tom comes to after all of his work in twenty. Eighteen is actually the same one. Halifax police came to in twenty ten. He says holly's death was an accident and her injuries were the result of fall at least one but more likely a few but wait so we went through all of this and he agrees with the police's theory of what happened. So here's the catch. He doesn't agree with their theory. Just the conclusion okay. To the theory he puts forward is one that i think seems way more plausible than the police. As for a bunch of reasons most importantly it doesn't have holly walking all that way from her front door down to the bridge abutment on that night that behavior that made sense to anyone. And that's because. Tom doesn't think that's what happened. Tom's theory is based on the idea that the taxi driver could have been a little more involved than he let on the guys. Changing story is definitely a red flag. But tom thinks that there are kernels of truth in every version. He thinks holly did sit quietly in the back seat that night just like the driver set but at some point likely just before. They turned onto that long street so like right around that ken crust building. She hyped up or maybe he did talk about paying for the fair. Remember all of holly's friends say she didn't like to use cash. She used a credit card pretty much all the time and it would be unlikely for her to even have cash on her now. We don't know for sure if she did or did not have cash her that night. Lots of people carry emergency cash for example. So i don't know but let's say disregard sake for tom's theory sake that she didn't have any cash on her. There were lots of taxi drivers in halifax at the time who didn't have debit or credit machines in their cars again even in twenty ten and even when they did most of them would much rather take cash so what if calms opposes just as they were coming up to this ken crust building and right before turning onto north ridge road long road that leads to her -partment. Would've holly said that she needed to pay with a credit card. And what if the driver wasn't able to our didn't want to take a credit card. Remember he says at the time he didn't know she was blind and he didn't find out until the police came to speak with him the next day so to him. She's just another drunk girl who isn't going to be able to pay the fare now. We can't confirm this but it's highly likely that when holly called taxis she'd probably say up front but she needed someone who could take a card but if you remember. It wasn't her who called the taxi at night. It was her friend. Who called the cap. So tom's theory is that something happened in the cap and hallie actually didn't make it all the way to the circular driveway in front of her condo. We've already talked about how independent holly was. But she was also really stubborn and she was like shrinking violet either so if she was threatened or felt threatened she'd stand up for herself. So what there was some kind of confrontation between holly and the taxi driver that night. Maybe over cash credit whatever and she was either forced from the cab or bolted from the cab right there in front of the ken crust building. You see tom things she did fall. But not off the bridge abutment. He thinks that she fell down. Remember at the top of that fence. On that map i was talking about is like this steep embankment from the ken. Crest apartments all the way down to that fence keeping that she like bolts out of there and falls down that thing. Because this is where bay find. Holly's came the five dollar bill and that second hole in the fence. So tom thinks the cain was there the whole time and it was just completely missed by the police during their searches. No so actually. In tom's theory police didn't find anything during their initial searches. Because he says it probably wasn't there yet his thought was maybe it fell out of hollies hands or out of her purse and slid maybe somewhere in the taxi and that the driver potentially didn't discover it until later and then brought it back and it's the same thing he thinks with the wallet and the phone that were found up. Holly's front door. Maybe he tossed out the window or out of a moving car. I mean there's no proof really that holly was ever up there at all because even with that bus camera footage baseball the taxi but there was not enough like light. They couldn't actually see inside to release. There was a passenger in the car. So how tom dot again. There's a little bit of truth in every version of this guy's story will that includes the part about seeing her fall. He just doesn't think that the fall that the driver witnessed was up by her condo. He thinks that.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

08:22 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"And you know the real issue is not necessarily that. They disagree with the medical examiner's findings or even with the conclusion. Police came to the end right there. Point is more like we're telling you this doesn't make sense to us. You're not listening. Instead of trying to understand how unique experience please just kind of assumed it would be like if they were really drunk and were blindfolded something not that holly had lived this full experience of an independent person. Exactly right and really. This was peter's point long was to the police. Like you never took the time to try and understand. Hollies lived experience even when we offered to help you. So they're not saying like a we think she's murdered. They're just saying there's no way we feel. You have gotten to the truth without all of these pieces that you didn't even take the time to understand so anyway. This work begins in the spring of two thousand and fourteen and in july of that year. S p q comes back with their final report. And it's not awesome for halifax police bay. Call out a bunch of things that should have been done better during the investigation. Like how the taxi driver was never formally interrogated. He was actually only interviewed for twenty five minutes on that first day and not even at the police station but literally sitting in his own taxi. And we find out. Officers didn't canvas the neighborhood for potential witnesses until wait for it four months after hall. He's done what's we why that makes no sense to me. And the most important thing for holly's family and friends is that s p q validated their concerns. They agreed that halifax police didn't do enough. They didn't do anything really to try. And understand what it was like to be blind something they would have needed to know as a baseline to investigate hollies debt. Yeah but despite all of this s. p. v. cue's report says that based on the and the information available at the time have come to the same conclusion. The halifax police did that. Holly's was an accident and that while the initial investigation could have been stronger. Could have been more thorough. It wouldn't have changed the outcome. So yes this review is a big moment because it validates what people have been saying all along but it doesn't give anyone answers to the questions that were still lingering after four long years. Maybe holly's death was an accident but what actually happened to her. There is a huge chunk of time missing from the official time. Line on holly's case basically from the time. Her friends put her in. That cameron been night until she was found under the bridge early the next morning. Yeah but again. No one could answer those questions. Four more years has and then in two thousand eighteen accessible media inc starts working with a new private investigator putting together. The documentary series and podcast. That i've been referencing today and it is that work that finally gets us closest we may ever come to really understanding what happened to holly bartlett. This episode was made possible by pill. Pack this is a new way to get prescriptions. Right from amazon. You can now get your medications delivered right to your door and it's easier than ever so listen all you have to do is have your doctor's office send your next prescription straight to amazon pharmacy. That's it amazon. Pharmacy works with most insurance plans nationwide. But if you're an amazon prime member you actually get free two day delivery and you can save on prescription medication. When paying without insurance again amazon prime members can save on prescription medication when not using insurance and get free. Two day delivery learn more at amazon dot com slash. Crime junkie are ex. That's amazon dot com slash crime junkie rx time amazon dot com slash crime junkie rx in the summer of two thousand eighteen. A private investigator named tom. Martin picks up holly's case where brian. Parsons left off back in two thousand ten. Tom's a former halifax homicide detective season and well respected. And he's working with holly's friend. Peter and investigative journalist maggie rar on the documentary series about the case. So tom starts digging into the case interviewing people looking at the police records and brian's notes and going back to the scene where holly was found. Now we've talked a lot about the walk. Holly is said to have taken from her condo building down to underneath that bridge but the other heart of the police's theory hinges on hawley crawling up one of those enormous concrete abutment on her hands and knees trying to get back to the main road. They think she's like thinking it some kind of walking trail and that she gets the end falls like twenty feet onto the frozen ground like a get. Their whole theory is based off this chain of events right so they actually go up onto one of these. abutment tom. Along with peter and maggie and right away just based on the angle of this thing. they're like there's zero way. holly mistook this for a walking trail. One of the things. Thomas sang is if she crawled up this thing on her hands and knees. We should see evidence of that on clothes and boots like it'd be really hard to just like walk up. Normally it's it's so angled specially if you're drunk. She had to have crawled. So you'd expect to see rips or phrase or even concrete dust on the needs of her jeans and scuff marks on the toes of her boots and that would be in addition to the rips and tears. That probably would have happened to her clothes from going through one of those small holes in the fence because this is a barbed wire fence now. There are rips in her pants. One on the back between the pockets one just below her left knee along with dirk on the seat of her pants and on the front her boots are scuffed too. But not in the way you would think that they would be if someone was climbing. It's more like regular wear and tear so no real evidence that holly had crawled up there on her hands on knees. Not really no with the rips and dirt on her jeans seemed consistent with a fall and thomaz may be more than one fall great. But that's more or less what the police are saying to you know. She fell once up by her condo building. And then again from the abutment so yes. That's what police are saying. And tom saying there's more than one fall. But here's where things get a little wonky. Because falling twenty feet off that enormous concrete cable abutment shoe would have done a heck of a lot of damage to her body and again. It's not that holly's injuries weren't severe. I mean she had to fractures in her left leg one in her right. She had a considerable amount of bruising especially on her knees her buttocks in one of her arms and she had blunt force trauma injuries to her face her mouth in particular according to the what happened to holly bartlett podcast. That was the most obvious and most severe polly's injuries her mouth and her face. She was hordley recognizable because of the swelling and bruising. So i get the bruises and fractures when it comes to a fall but the emmy think that.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

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07:56 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"Please. Oh that's weird but okay. Sia the ap. Apparently police felt like they size. This guy up the first time they talked to him. It seems purely based on the fact. That he's older guy release soft-spoken and friendly. I i kinda get it. I mean i watched an interview with him. That aired on cbs's the fifth estate in two thousand fourteen. Maybe kinda see him as sweet. Old fatherly type. Okay ashley. stop right there. When have you ever described someone as the sweet old fatherly type. Who wasn't actually your dad. No i mean. Listen i thank. You has major creeped potential. But to me and i think this is just like a crime junkie role. It's almost like the sweeter you are the more i'm like. There's secrets there but again. I'm not canadian police. And apparently they considered him like salt of the earth kinda guy. This is the way that they put it in the podcast and basically. They think that he left the trip and fall out of his story because he was like ashamed of the whole thing. He was just like not being. The sweet old fatherly type and helping apparently looks like bright but this is not brian's first rodeo. rpi and he's not ready to just take this guy at his words you know. Brian is our people and when he talks to the taxi driver. He gets a different kind of vibe because right away the guy is shifty and evasive and just something seems off. He tells brian the same story. He told police during their second visit but he dropped highly off. He saw her fall left. The building had a change of heart. Came back to check honor. He even says that he got out of his car and looked around for her but couldn't find her anywhere but brian's like no way and he tells the guy. I you know more than you're letting on. And then he just waits like total interrogator move. Oh my god and it works. The driver fills the silence. And says you're right there is more. I didn't give police the whole story. What he left out is that he stole from holly that night that when it was time to pay the cab fare holly gave him like seventy five dollars in cash way more than thirteen hundred dollars that it actually cost but he only gave her back like a dollar fifty in change so she was pissed and there was some sort of altercation or what he doesn't say here is my problem with this. Either you stole from her and she knew it and they're probably would have been some kind of like fight or altercation or you stole from her and took advantage of her because you knew she was blind and drunk and might not notice which means that you lied the first time you said you didn't know she was blind so i don't trust this guy for a second right and well. If she was intoxicated he said maybe he just thought he was pulling one over on a drunk girl. Yeah but that doesn't make me dislike him any less than still like shady thing to do but apparently me and you and canadian police are not on the same page. Because they talk to him again. After his conversation with brian. Because obviously brian like something else happened. You're not being truthful with pass inbox. please call us. Yeah and so. They talk again and once again. They seemed satisfied with his story. The chief of police at the time sort of brushed off the driver's behavior saying quote. He didn't want to admit to taking money. From a blind person and quote okay but this is now the third version of his stories. That's like so many red flags for me totally now halifax holies do revise the official case file to add in the trip and fall with. That's about all that happens. They don't reopen the case and the taxi drivers at shifting stories. Don't change their minds about holly's death being fatal accident and i assume that's what the autopsy found to that in like for the manner data just yeah accidental. Yes so the medical examiner found the cause of death to be blunt force trauma holly head consistent with a fall and the manner of death to be accidental and she was also severely hypothermic so that was a contributing factor but she had other injuries to like scrapes and cuts on her hands and knees. Which i think. I mentioned earlier tons of bruises fractures in her lower leg but again even all of this was nothing inconsistent with a fall. So the theory still can make sense. And they're saying that the fall that ultimately led to her death was the fall that happened up by her apartment. That the cab driver saw or down by the bridge. i think they're saying both of them dead. I think that they're saying she potentially hit her head. In this fall that caused her to be disoriented but most likely the deadly fall. According to the police report was the one she took off. That bridge abutment megara and peter. Parsons who worked together on the am. I documentary and podcast took the emmys files to another forensics expert for a second opinion and same thing blunt force trauma and other injuries consistent with a fall but holly's friends and family find the polices story still impossible to comprehend. They knew holly and they knew how capable. She was an even with the belly. Full of booze. They think she couldn't possibly be so disoriented as not to find her way to her own front door from her own driveway again. Traffic cues from the bridge would have been enough to get holly anywhere. She needed to go and her friends and family just knew it in their gut in their mind. They really believe that. Police didn't take any time to learn how blind people move around in the world. They didn't try to understand. Really important things like orientation and mobility and frankly they underestimated hawley like they made a note in their report to quote locate victims. Full time caregiver and quote. But she didn't have one exactly. I mean this just goes to show how little they understood about holly and her life. she didn't get caregiver. she was totally independent. She had a job she under a place she was going to school. She got around completely on her own so because they still have so many questions. Shortly after she died holly's friends formed a group called justice for holly and they met from time to time to talk about the case. Peter parsons again. He's the orientation. Mobility specialist is part of that group. There's just no closure for them in polices theory of what happened that night and they just can't shake it eventually. Hollies family goes to meet with police to share their concerns about the investigation. But nothing really happens with the case as a result the battle between hollies family and police up until this point is really quiet like the public doesn't even know anyone is questioning the findings until tim. Booze case article that i mentioned earlier. It's called hawley. Bartlett's unlikely journey when that is published in december two thousand thirteen. That's really the first time anyone in the public is like..

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

07:03 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"That i keep talking about and britt here again. Another math building. He hears math me to show you. Our promises is the last one. The mckay bridge is always busy with traffic. So that noise would have been one of her most important orientation and listen. I cannot stress this enough. You have to see the video on our instagram. because i read about this over and over and over. Gaza cow k. You can hear some cars. Like i know a traffic sounds like whatever but when sarah was walking the path that holly would have had to walk. You can barely hear sarah talking. The traffic is so stinking loud so drunk or not trained by a mobility specialists worn. Not you know the traffic is to your left and br holly traffic to the left meant. I am walking away from my house. There is no way that she made that walk thinking that she was heading to her apartment right anyway. Peter ends up mentioning his concerns to his dad. Brian and is actually an ex military investigator and p. I like okay navidad like that. Yeah and he agrees that maybe the police closed the case. Bit you quickly. So he decides to start his own investigation and it doesn't take long for brian to get a big break. Hollies condo building is at the end of a major bus routes in halifax and the bus actually stops right at the bottom of her street. Like right before you get parking lot driveway. Or whatever and basically the bus wait there until it's time to start the route again and what. Brian is wondering is if it's possible that the bus was parked there when holly was coming home in the cap and if so maybe the driver saw something. Brian strikes absolute gold on this one. Because not only was the bus stop at the bottom holly street at the right time but it also has a dash cam so he's able to work with the halifax police to get the tape and it shows the taxi going up to convoy towers to drop holly off and then a couple of minutes later as you would expect. He's like coming back down. So this is exactly what the cab driver said happened. Yeah and that would be fine except a few minutes after that when the bus is like getting ready to go it pulls out goes down that long pat and remember. If you're in a car the only way you can go is right on no vally. So it's going right on nove leave for its last run of the night and on its dash cam it catches this same taxi but this time the taxi is coming off. Ken cross which is again a straight ahead of you and he's wanting to make a right hand turn and if you're going right you can't go down. The walking past the only way you can be going is back to holly's apartment when they learn this. Halifax police sends officers back to talk to the taxi driver again and at first he tells the same story he told them on that first day that it was a normal night a normal fare. He dropped her off at her door and left end of story but then the officers confront him. They say listen. That's not the end of the story because now we have this video footage of your car looking. Like it's heading back to holly's place so what's up. And that's when the cabbie says fine you're right. I did something that night that. I'm not proud of this. Episode is made possible by worby. Parker i did a little ama on my instagram at indiana flowers and the number one question wasn't about podcasting or chuck it was. Where are those frames that you're wearing from and i've been telling you guys worby parker. My brown frames that. I'm always wearing our the as may ones and i love that. And here's the thing i knew. I look flying them. Because i took advantage of worby parker's at home triumph. I so i tried five of my favorite style to see which one looked the best my before i bought it worby. Parker is committed to providing exceptional vision care online and in stores offering eyeglasses sunglasses eye exams and contact lenses glasses. 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He says he didn't really think a lot about it at the time and at first he just drove away because like drunk people problems but then he says after he drove away he felt really guilty about it and so he went back up to check on her. He says bats why his car was heading back up in that direction. Okay so please. At all concerned that he had left this detail out of his story in the first place. Apparently not really because then this whole thing about her falling actually helps support their theory. Like i if she fell she could have hit her head on. The pavement could have started the whole cascade of events that follow like you know a head injury along with this considerable amount of alcohol in her system. Might help explain her. Bizarre behavior taking this long path in the wrong direction disorientation and stuff like that right not to mention if she tripped getting out of the cab that might also explain why her wallet and phone were way up there by her building instead of being in her purse. That's down with her. Right like maybe. They fell out when she tripped. Or whatever right. But i mean the taxi driver is telling a totally different story. Now so.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

08:04 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"Explanation might have given her family and friends at least something to try and wrap their heads around. He recovers enough to tell the truth for herself except that never happens. She doesn't recover and on sunday march. Twenty eight holly dies from her injuries and you have to just think for a second what her family is going through. Let me what any family who loses someone so suddenly in such a strange way goes through like your whole world is turned upside down just in an instant. Nothing makes sense so the more they try to grapple with this new reality the more. They can't accept polices explanation of what happened to holly. Which is why some of the bartlett's end up in that area under the bridge later that afternoon. This is the very sunday that holly died. They're out there hoping that maybe seeing it for themselves might help make sense of. This story is just for then. They can't wrap their heads around it. None of it is adding up. So they're walking around the entire outside of the fence around the area were holly was found. Like i mean they're wanting to see how it all could've gone down but more importantly they're looking for something like something really important. They wanna find holly's cane because remember. They said she didn't go anywhere without it. And the fact that. I didn't find it they find to be super strange now. These friends that are out there. They don't have the details or the exact locations of where holly was found or anything or like how she got in just that she crawled through a hole somewhere in that fence. So they're kind of going around the whole thing. And i have another map for you to look at again. I'm kind of just building off of the same maps. But i'm calling this map d so what police are saying. Like i said before is like the right side of the fence bay. That's where they found their whole that they think she went into well while they're going around because they don't know where it is. They're searching everywhere they're on like the top of the fence not decided. Police found the whole. And that's where it happens. They find the kane. How didn't you say police searched that area though they did. They say that they searched it. Four times with four officers and two of those times were with canine units looking specifically for the cane but dow civilians have found it along with a five dollar bill presumably. Remember the one maura gave holly the night before. Remember for that bottle of wine now. This discovery is big. There are a lot of really important things about it. So i like i said. The cane is nowhere near where police are. Theorizing crawled through the fence. And you can't see it on my map because my maps two d but the side of the fence were hurricane is actually found with the top of the fence above it but basically it's at the bottom of this steep embankment and then there's like at the top of this hill. Is that apartment building. I mentioned before. Ken cross the one that coming down. That long road is facing you Now if all of this isn't strange enough. The cane is found standing upright like leaning against wait for it the opposite side of the fence from where holly's discovered like side the fence. Yeah so she's on. The inside gated area and the became is leaning against the fence on the outside. So looking at your map. We're supposed to believe that. Holly what went up to the top edge of the fence. I abandoned her which like you said. She never went anywhere without leaves. It against the fence then walked around to the side of the fence till she found a whole and crawled through. Its well it turns out. There is another hole in the fence. Right near where her. Cain is found. So it's possible that the is theory was right but they just had the wrong location. Like maybe she propped. Hurricane crawled through the fence near where her cain was and that whole that they found on. The side has nothing to do with this okay. But i'm honestly having trouble buying this like that. Came her lifeline. Wouldn't she take it with a thorough after she crawls through. And if cain was there the whole time widened. Please find it in the first searches. That is the big question. The guy who found the cane that day said it was definitely not super easy to see. You know mind you. It's it's winter. It's really gray. There's no leaves on the trees and the cane is white with a black handle at the top so maybe could have blended in with the surroundings Kind of like you. I'm not really buying it and there's something about how it's found right like leaning up against the fence. Not like she was like set it down as she crawl through the couldn't get it again. That seems almost deliberate. The i agree so at this point. Is there even an investigation continuing to happen. Like now that holly's passed away or the even considering or trying to rule out foul play or is it just confirmed an accident and case closed you know. I'm not exactly sure when their investigation officially wraps up. But i know didn't last very long by the time. Her friends find the cane. Which is sunday afternoon. I mean this is maybe like thirty six hours after holly was initially found. The police tapes already down. I mean they have their theory written into a police report and for them. There was no crime. Holly was blind. She was drunk. She got disoriented. It was an accident you know. They a tragic absolutely but in their minds not criminal but the version of events police put forward that holly walked almost a quarter mile in the wrong direction away from her front door. Hold herself through. A small hole in the fence been crawled up. The abutment fell over the end of it. It never sat right. Anyone who knew holly said there was absolutely no way she would have mistakenly walked that far from her front door the same front door that she went through thousands of times and the same walk from her apartment to the end of north ridge. Road i mean. This was a pack that she walked every single day to get to work and to her university classes. Right and one of these friends. That can't believe it is holly's friend. Peter he was an orientation and mobility specialist at the canadian national institute for the blind which is how he met holly. According to tim boost ks piece in the coast peter called halifax regional police to say. Hey listen this is my whole life. This is my work. This is like everything i do. I worked with holly and lots of people like holly and nothing about this chain of events. That you've put forward makes any sense. Something isn't right here. You have not gotten all of the answers but the police honestly weren't interested in talking to him what yeah an. Peters specialty is actually a really critical part of this story. Orientation and mobility is basically all of the things someone with vision loss would need to know in order to get around safely right and you mentioned the cane. But i assume there's so much more to it than just that so much more and one of the examples they use in the docu series is traffic queues. And how you can use the sound of traffic either in front of you behind you to the left or right to understand where you are now remember so holly lives right near the mckay bridge which runs parallel to north ridge. Wrote that long road.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

08:06 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"Was a friday. She been with a few friends from her master's program for this like end of the year party. Bet most of the night with another girl that program a friendly moi rub and bay went to the fireside restaurant. I and had to eat a couple of drinks and then they headed to this guy named gabriel's plays for a house party now. He's actually also in the same master's program them now on the way they stopped to buy a bottle of wine which according to the ama documentary. Holly paid for with her credit card. Now this is kind of important because her friends say that she always paid with everything that she could with a credit card. She would preferred that over cash now. Moyer wanted to go splits these on the wine so she gave holly of five dollar bill with shoved in her pocket. Police get the surveillance footage from the liquor store and confirm this series of events. And the timing after that holly and stop at gabriel's party for about an hour before leaving for the university club at dalhousie for this end of the year party that i was talking about and again it's not just the three of there's other people from her masters program just before midnight. Holly decided that it was time to head home. She had a bunch of things to do the next day and so a friend called a cab for her and walked her out. That is the last time anyone saw holly until the next morning under the bridge. Okay but that's not true. Who was this cab driver. I mean they would have at least known if she got her place. Okay yes so. You're right so he is be actual last person to see holly and police do track him down pretty easily. He tells police that he did have affair that night and at the passenger was holly the driver says there was nothing unusual about the trip. Her friend walked her out to the car. She sat silently in the back and when he dropped her off at convoy towers her apartment complex. He says that she paid him. Got out and left like that's it but the interesting thing police learn is that the driver says he had no idea that holly was blind but he did say that she was pretty drunk and when he finds out from police that she's blind his first reaction is oh no because he tells police that when he pulled into that circular drive at her apartment complex. Holly got out on the driver's side of the car. Okay so why does that matter. Well this is the thing so when he pulled in. He went in the circular. Drive like counterclockwise in this loop around the driveway so the passenger side of the car would have been closest to the front doors of her building and the driver's side where she got out faced a way and so here again. This is where the maps are super helpful. I've got one called matt be so when she gets out of the cab instead of walking toward the front door of her building. She's walking away from it in completely the wrong direction episode was possible with caviar. I love a lot of things. What my husband. He's really generally just a great guy. But when my favorite things. I can count on him for is if i don't really feel like cooking at instead look at him and say. Hey what sounds good for dinner. He basically already has the caviar app open and offers order. A pizza truly is never fail. Just like caviar. Caviar is the app that has all the best local restaurants and are focused on getting delivered right to your door. Of course we almost always go to pizza. But whatever you're in the mood for is on the caviar app from all your favorite local restaurants. You can even sort through collections like vegan or mediterranean. 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She likely fell and crawled a few times. And it's possible. There fell over a low spot of the fence that borders a footpath or somehow made her way through an opening. Once inside had she felt the concrete posts she may have mistaken the ramp to the top as a path up and fell from the top of the concrete base and quote. So they're basically saying that they think holly was super drunk got turned around when she got out of. The cab walked almost a quarter mile to this area under the bridge. Which btw was surrounded by offend. Yeah member because the commissioner had to let the guys in in the morning then. They're saying she found some way into that fence. Then there are these big concrete bridge. Abutment that i was talking about earlier. Those like wedges then elise think she like felt the concrete from these appointments crawled up this angled concrete fixture and then fell off of it and then laid there until she was found the next day now again. Our maps don't really help you. Visualize this do have some pictures on our website and even more if you go to our instagram handle is at crime junkie podcast. We actually have a walking tour of this whole thing and especial. Thanks to our friends. Sarah who actually lives right by this. She helps consult and she's the one that does the walking tour for us. You can actually see the path to holly is presumed to have taken. You can see what these walk like. I'm telling you. I went round and round and round this case until i got to see with my own eyes and made everything make sense. The visual really really helps. Yeah go to our instagram at crime. Junkie podcast i guess what. I don't understand though is how they're saying that holly even got on the inside that fence to begin with like even if she was completely disoriented and wandered this quarter mile from where she was being. Dropped off you said at the beginning of the story that people working on the site had to be let in. So how on earth did she stumble in by herself. Well enter my map. See so you're gonna have you look at this one so again and i'm kind of just to see you guys building off of the original one. I had so whatever you've got pictured like we're still looking at that thing so i just told you that the taxi driver said that. She walked away from the building when she left his car. Police think this is when holly got disoriented and instead of going into her building she according to them traveled down the parking lot which again goes down the page then along north ridge road which is a long street that goes left across the page and then she goes left again down that walking trail. That takes you to the park. Now for those of you listening. Remember the fences at the bottom left. Hand corner of the map and my hand-drawn doesn't show you the whole fans. It just shows you like the top of the fence and then like the right side of the fence and it's bear on the right side of defence that police find a two foot by three foot hole that they think she crawled through to get into the otherwise locked area under the bridge. Now this.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

07:28 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

"It's a cold saturday morning. In march twenty ten and a metalworking crew is headed down to the base of the mackay bridge in halifax nova scotia. This is on canada's east coast. It is a freezing cold day minus ten degrees celsius or fourteen degrees fahrenheit with the wind show and this is very early in the morning like the sun is just coming up the bridge. Commissioner opens the gate for the crew and when they go inside they noticed almost immediately something read on the ground near the bridge abutment. S- now abutment these like enormous concrete wedges essentially that connect the bridge cables to the ground so as they walk closer. They realize what they're seeing is person. It's a woman and at first. They think that she must be dead but as they get closer. They realized she still breathing unconscious but she's ally one of the guys quickly wraps his jacket around her. And they run back to the bridge commissioner to call nine one. One police and paramedics arrive within minutes and the woman is rushed to the hospital. Her face is covered in bruises and she has cuts on her hands and knees not only that but she'd been out there in the cold so long that she's dangerously hypothermic. The woman's purse had been lying on the ground next to her and when police look inside they see no wallet. No phone but there is a student. Id and that tells them who she is. Thirty one year old holly bartlett and there's another car to this one from the canadian national institute of the blind so holly is blind. Holly is blind like completely blind and she had been since she was thirteen. But even before that like from when she was a little girl she never had full site according to interviews with her friends and family. That i listened to on the what happened to holly bartlett podcast the fact that holly was blind. It was part of who she was for sure but it was far from all she was. I mean she was super independent. She had her own place condo that she purchased with a friend. She took the city bus on her own everywhere she went. She had a full time job with the government and was finishing up a master's degree in public administrations. Doing more than high. I'm with my life. Yes same you can see. Holly didn't let anything slow her down including the fact that she was blind visits bananas. She did so wing dance and went skydiving. Two things that. I definitely cannot do again. Yeah way more than me but the thing is the police on the scene. That morning didn't know any of this. They don't know what a zest for life. holly hat. So one of the first thoughts that crosses people's mind is that this could have been an attempted suicide but they're actually able to rule this out pretty quickly because you see you can't actually walk across the mckay bridge in halifax it's for vehicles only and there's no sidewalks so if someone is up there it's really obvious like drivers will call and report pedestrians on the bridge and according to a story by tim boost k. For the coast. No-one had called in any pedestrians that friday night and when police checked the bridges surveillance cameras. They don't find any sign of anyone. The other thing though is that holly was alive when she was found that morning and realistically jump from that bridge deck to the ground below just isn't survivable once. Holly is transported to a hospital emergency services and her family is notified about her condition. Police do a preliminary search of the area. But they don't find anything that points to both anything. The thing that they're looking for most is holly's cain when they talked to holly's mother she said holly didn't go anywhere without her cane but it wasn't on her when she arrived at the hospital and police didn't find it in her purse or anywhere near where she was found that warning what they do find though that very morning holly was found. Is her wallet and her phone. But they don't find it anywhere near the bridge. Where she and her purse were found a security guard. Who lived in holly's building was on his way home from a night shift that morning and found her phone wallet lip gloss and some loose change in the parking lot near the front door to her building which was like basically. He found it on the ground between two parked cars. Okay so she and her purse were found under this bridge but everything that you would expect to find inside her purse minus arcane. At least that's all found by her apartment building. How are we talking between these two locations. So this is where this case gets so messy understanding the geographical layout of this scene is so important to this case. It makes it a little hard to tell in audio. But i don't want that to stop us from telling holly story so i'm gonna try and explain it. The best i can and for those of you who are able to. You can go to our website on the blog post for this episode. I basically did like some back of the napkin like hand drawings to help like latest outlook. I'm for sure no artist scale but they'll at least help you understand what's going on so i'm gonna send you the first one which i'm calling map okay. So if you're looking at the map in front of you. The top right corner is holly's apartment. You'll see that in front of her building. There's this circular driveway and a lot which extends downward to meet. This road called northridge road then. North ridge road spans. Like three quarters of the page going left. Then you hit a dead end on nove. Lee drive now. If you're standing at the bottom of north ridge road at novelli drive straight ahead of you is another apartment building. it's called. Ken crest to the right. You can go on novi drive like if you're in a car you can drive on novelli and then to the left is actually a walking trail that takes you to this local park. So if you're driving you can only turn right but if you're walking you can go either direction. So at the bottom left of the map you sent is a fenced in area and at that very corner of the page. That's where you haven't marked that. Holly was found but it kind of seems like a long way from her apartment building is it totally is like i said the map is not a scale but the distance from where her stuff was found where her apartment was to where she was found that morning was roughly three hundred fifteen meters or one thousand one hundred fifty feet. That's almost a quarter mile. Okay so so. How did holly get from the parking lot of her building. All the way down to this fenced in area will that. That's the million dollar question. How did she get there. And why and right now. None of this is making sense to the police either. So they want to try and trace holly's last steps. Police find out from her family. But holly had been out the night before which.

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"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

Crime Junkie

02:47 min | 8 months ago

"holly bartlett" Discussed on Crime Junkie

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