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Once in a Generation Adaptation Investment with Refocus Shalini Vajjhala + Hoboken adapts to Climate Change!

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Once in a Generation Adaptation Investment with Refocus Shalini Vajjhala + Hoboken adapts to Climate Change!

"Hi everyone this is America The climate change podcast. Hey welcome back to the podcast and this episode I am hosting doctor. Cellini Vice Hala of refocus partners also joining me is. Caleb Stratton the chief Brazilian officer with the city of Hoboken New Jersey. Chellaney and I talk about her work at refocus where they help communities think about long-term investment planning in light of climate change. They have an innovative model working closely with cities to determine what's really the best use of their infrastructure investments. Also join me as one of their partners. The city of Hoboken we'll hear from Caleb Stratton on how hoboken decided they needed to take some aggressive action to prepare for the impact of flooding after experiencing firsthand catastrophic impact of Hurricane Sandy. I like to call this type of Work Shovel. Ready Adaptation and you'll understand the steps it takes to get this process started. 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Shalini Virola Xolani is the founder and CEO of refocus partners. High Shawny. Welcome to the PODCAST. Hey great to be here. You're doing some very interesting work and I'm hoping we can use this episode to really explain what I think is very important work but I was trying to come up with proper ways of describing sort of under the hood type Adaptation. That needs to be done. But you don't necessarily hear about it and so I'm hoping that this is going to be a really useful lesson for a lot of people fantastic. Let's do it okay. So where do you dig into some the actual work? I don't WanNa go too much in the weeds on that yet. But what is refocused partners? What are you guys all about so refocuses? A small design firm that I founded after stepping down from the Obama Administration back in two thousand twelve. And what makes us somewhat unusual? Is that we integrate project financing into the design process and we focus specifically resilient solutions for cities and communities around the world so most of our projects when they are wildly successful success. Looks like something that hasn't happened? Which is hard to find money for. And so that's why the financing is really a big upfront part of what we do at. It makes us pretty different from standard engineering firm or or design firm. Those are really good explanation. But we're GONNA come back to that really quickly but I I guess I want to get a little bit more of your background. You left the Obama White House in two thousand twelve. What's a bit more of your background? What you've been up to the last ten fifteen years so. I'm a bit of adaptation renegade. I was trained as an architect went on to get my PhD in engineering working on citing big infrastructure. Really how do you work with communities to make something yes and my backyard rather than not in my backyard and create real community benefits and from there? I spent several years at a at an economics. Think tank in DC. Before I got pulled into the Obama Administration. I've had a career of really being able to follow and solve interesting problems in the infrastructure space and that led to four years of EPA. Where I was building public private partnerships for green infrastructure and working with the international and Tribal Affairs Program which let me experiment and do cool things with communities around the world you said pulled into the Obama White House. You almost drafted or something. That must have been exciting though. It was very exciting and very unexpected so I spent several months at the White House Council on environmental quality. I'm on some of the really early day. Environmental and climate policy work and then I moved into the Office of international and tribal affairs. Epa and neither position was one that I had been kind of wrangling to get into and so it really let me think. Pretty broadly and work with some great teams to experiment. Do Cool things and faces. Were there wasn't a lot of money available so we got very creative about spending other people's money okay so you described in a bit of detail. What refocus is all about? But I do this sometimes to my guest is that you're sitting on the bus and you're sitting next to someone you have no clue what their background is. But it comes up. What do you do? How do you simplify describing what you're up to their? How would you do that on the bus? Yeah so what I usually say. It's mostly airplane seats companions. Is I work with a team to help. Cities become safer before and after major disasters and so we help build coastal protections and flood protections and keep community safe from anything that might keep you up at night. So let's get into the meat of this and I'm going to read a quote and I was looking over some of the material and some of the tools that you have on your website and I'm GonNa have links to all those things in my show notes but just hear me out here okay to break free of this cycle cities and utilities need new alternatives to access new ideas new partners in new money in escape old pieces in parts. Procurement approaches put simply cities must be able to buy things differently in order to buy different things and I picked that quote out because I thought it got to the heart of a lot of the things that we we wanNA talk about. But what is that all about? We are in a funny space here in the US which is a lot of our communities are dealing with legacy infrastructure their Albatross of water systems and transportation systems that were built fifty years ago. Lucky one hundred in most places and cities haven't had the resources through recent decades of recession to be able to do big overhauls of infrastructure. We've been kind of forced into more piecemeal. Projects and repairs and one of the big obstacles is that it's really hard to buy new things. Right like purchasing paperclips for an office kind of gets shoehorned into the same processes buying a water treatment plant and so the space that we live in is having a help a city not just by the same old water treatment plant that it had from fifty years ago with a few little updates but think of the new and better thing that will make that community more resilient in the face of future challenges right so if you look at a city that's trying to transition to green infrastructure the differences shopping for a water treatment plant versus shopping for a thousand street trees and miles of roads paving that absorb water. And so you're really looking at the difference between buying an old funnel or new sponge and the process is set up better for the funnel where you buy the thing you had from the people that you knew and that doesn't serve our adaptation interests wealth. It's not forward-looking it's very much backward-looking and so we tend to work on these sticking point problems that get in the way of big solutions that make community more sturdy in the face of a shock. Some stresses you also mentioned that this is a once in a generation chance to do this planning and when you think of once-in-a-generation and you're like well it's been a while since you've been able to do it and then you might be missing an opportunity if you don't do it now. What do you mean by that? I think we're really at a cusp of a lot of our communities are dealing with infrastructure systems that are not just old but are really not meeting. Their current needs right. They're not. They're not the right size for cities that have lost population. They're not the right size for the cities that have grown really rapidly. And that's everything from water systems to road systems to energy systems. And what I think I mean by a once in a generation chance is that these are really long lived assets right. It's not like upgrading your software every year when you buy a water system it's around for decades if you've done it right and you want to work well and these systems aren't super flexible. So you have to really think upfront. About what the future looks like and build that into your decisions now and it's not something we've had a lot of practice at so I think it's an enormous opportunity for communities to really dig out of the hole that we've been putting bandaids short term fixes on our old infrastructure and get from that failing funnel to the really high value sponge. Could you briefly talk about the climate threats that are going to be issues when you think about this type of infrastructure planning? I mean and might seem obvious but yeah. Could you walk us through some of those that you're starting to think about? Yeah I think I can scroll through episodes that you've done with prior guests right so it's all the folks that have come in and talk about flood risk and how that's changed or increasing wildfire risk threatening power infrastructure and vice versa power infrastructure creating greater wildfire risk. The things that we're talking about are really nuts and bolts climate impacts at a community in a city level so increased heat on transit systems. Where you have to run trains less often than more slowly because on high heat days tracks could buckle in the heat ice where you used to have. Snow Melt where you used to have ice. So it's all the changing conditions that fall under the big umbrella of climate impacts and the way we follow the thread down as really look at where our existing infrastructure systems becoming less efficient or effective at meeting the needs and the services they were supposed to provide. Okay so why is this different? Those were talking about just getting funding for upgrading infrastructure. What is it that you're doing and and I think maybe you can kind of help me too. Is I think some of the terminology that you're using a some of these case studies procuring resilience opportunities in these projects again. Walk me through it as I was doing my homework for this episode. I'm like okay. What what sort of the core project here and I get it and so helping me walk through that. I think that would be very useful but like houses different than just saying you know what we need new money for infrastructure and if it's a somewhat progressive city they're going to factor in adaptation. So wh what are you doing this kind of different here? The biggest thing that's different is if you think about old infrastructure the the classic example is how you build them pay for a toll road right where you figure out that a lot of people need to go from point. A. TO POINT B. You sort out the cost of building. The most efficient connection between those two and how much you're going charge people to drive on it and you forecast out your revenues and that's how you pay back the road same thing for a water system here how many people are gonNA use it. We set our rates. Here's how much money we can expect. And that's what lets us pay back the system. What's different about what we're talking about is a lot of infrastructure that we need to design and upgrade. Actually the benefit is protection from something right of storm hit but a community wasn't flooded. The revenues don't look the same as paying for a use of something. They look more like something that didn't happen. And so you're trying to capture savings rather than up fees and that makes the financing side of these kinds of systems very very different where a mangrove seawall in order to look like tollroad. You're essentially talking about turning. What didn't happen into that? Toll or that Revenue Stream. So it's really flipping a problem upside down. And that's the biggest difference between Adaptation Infrastructure. Where the primary purpose is protection and infrastructure. Where the primary purpose is delivering a service. For which you can charge a fee and in between those two book ends. There are whole bunch of failures in our existing infrastructure system so for example we heavily subsidized water rates. And so there's not enough money to even do the old thing that built the original system so we have a couple stumbling blocks that we're trying to get over. It's really that we think about infrastructure differently now than we did eighty years ago or one hundred years ago when they systems were built and they were purely public goods with mostly public money. There's a real emphasis on trying to get more private money into public infrastructure. And then at the other extreme. It's how do you get things to pay for themselves when there is an obvious payment stream and that looks a lot more like energy efficiency? I know we're a lot of the infrastructure. But you've mentioned mangroves such and related to just ecosystem services where you're trying to quantify the savings that you occurred. Because you've you've saved these mangroves I mean. Is that what you're getting at here it just so I'm understanding right. It's a good question. There's a there's a spectrum of what I think what types of infrastructure lend themselves to direct financing versus those that need this kind of innovative financing for up front all the folks working on the ecosystem services space are doing incredible things and the bulk of what they're doing is really trying to build confidence. Reduce uncertainty around. What kinds of benefits these systems provide? And how monetize that how to actually turn it into a dollar value? We live in a slightly different space. Which is because we work on. All types of infrastructure were generally integrating green and grey into existing systems and in the case of the water treatment. Plant it doesn't necessarily look like an Ecosystem Service. What it looks like is you. Have you have a system? That's more prone to flooding. So you actually see the benefits on the costs on a cities balance sheet or a utility's balance sheet right now and the best example is transit and heat right. There's a very very clear direct line between high heat leaving the most vulnerable transit riders out longer in the high heat days and not being able to run your trains as quickly or as efficiently and what that shows up on if you look at a balance sheet of a transit authority already. Is You lose money today. It's not about a future benefit or a future value. And so I think we live in a slightly different space where the folks doing ecosystem services valuation are almost entirely future focused and we are much more into the one the five year. How does this affect your community? Now and how could it get worse in the future and something? I say often. Two mayor's offices as you know you have a you have a leaky boat. You have system. That is a needs. A lot of maintenance has a lot of gaps. Isn't meeting your current needs and under climate change. You're likely to leak. I worst where you've already got the patches in place which is very different than making a case for a whole new boat. You mentioned this one to five year cycle and then in the future. I had lad Keith. On talking about extreme heat from the University of Arizona and he asked discussing urban planning and like how up until now so much of the decision making was based on previous experience with you know weather. Climate whatever and the the whole field. Was it comfortable thinking? Alright speculating? Twenty thirty fifty years from now and I guess you kind of you're in the same boat and so that difference between planning at one five years which is very probably interesting and relevant city planners into the fifty year timeframe where you really starting to have to factor in climate change impacts. How do you deal with that? How do you not only communicate that? But I mean it's just built into your process. I assume it is built into our process. And we've we've developed some internal ways. I think to be clear about the unknown unknowns. Right where we don't have perfect certainty about what the world is. GonNa look like in fifty years. What we do know is that the more rigid your infrastructure systems are the more likely they are to fail and so there are principles that you can use to make your planning decisions a little more flexible and have a little more given your system and so that actually helps lean toward greener solution so going back to the water infrastructure example if you design a water treatment plants that is a single large piece of gray infrastructure. And you're trying to forecast out for fifty years what the future's GonNa look like in terms of heat and water use and water availability and demand. That's a really tough exercise whereas if you're building a green system that has tens of thousands of little pieces of parts you can go in and surgically say well. This community is a lot hotter than we expected. So the street trees here need different maintenance or we need a different type of tree or we need to prepare for more run off and so it actually lets us. I think. Make the case for distributed solutions and creating more patchwork quilt opportunities for communities where you can replace a patch rather than meeting a whole quilt. But lead keats episode was great any spot on which is true. Were better at looking backward then forward and it's easier to anchor to what you knew then very clearly what you don't know yet boy referencing previous episodes good for you. That's bonus in my. Is that very often? I am thinking about the people that you work with. And let's again. Let's get down to kind of visualizing this you have this process but there's certain communities that you're working with and I just want to know I'm going to be talking to someone. Caleb Stratton from the city of hoboken. And he's going to explain a bit more. What's going on there? But who really is your audience like as an organization. Refocus who you working with. Is it literally just city officials? How does that really work for Ya? Yeah so we have three buckets of folks that we work with and Kayla was one of my favorite collaborators over the last five years we worked directly with cities and communities on major problems that they have but they don't quite know how to frame a solution yet and so in the case of hoboken. Hoboken was one of eight cities that we brought together under a philanthropic initiative supported by the Rockefeller Foundation and we ran a competition and selected eight cities that were trying to solve. Big Adaptation. Problem at Hoboken was one of the leading ones right after hurricane. Sandy to come in and say well we've got a solve everything and so in that case we worked directly with Mayor's offices utilities and public works departments and we very very specifically recruited city champions across all three to make sure that folks were working together. you cannot in many cities it's very very difficult to overcome barriers between departments where cities don't necessarily talk to themselves or where there's a lot of opposition for example between a maintenance department parks department and so in those cases we we identify really operational folks who can be multi year champions of projects. You're not looking for someone highly political. Who's GONNA be out of their job very quickly and you need someone senior enough to carry forward a hundred million dollar projects some of my Kalem? The other bucket of folks that we work with we work directly with at large engineering firms as well a big financial firms and in those cases were generally trying to solve system problems for their clients. And so that's work. That doesn't necessarily come through a city doorway but may lead us to working with the Transit Authority and then the last bucket is really when we hit a challenge that we see multiple cities come to us with like procurement. It's easier to buy the old thing than then plan for the new thing. We will work directly with philanthropies and say help us pull together a cohort of cities that are all facing this challenge so we can figure out a a comprehensive scalable solution. I imagine some cities. Probably EVERY CITY SAYS OKAY. We have this backlog of infrastructure projects that we need to do but maybe some cities like all right. We're doing relatively well. We might have some minor projects but if you look at what they're planning for the future it really isn't focusing in climate change at all. Are you working with any client like city clients like that where you're able to make that assessment where I'd overall they're doing relatively well? They don't have to rebuild their water infrastructure but they're woefully prepared ten twenty thirty years from now because they haven't really factored in climate change. You know it's interesting. I think the awareness of the city level has grown so much in the last several years. It's not about whether they factored in climate changes. If and how well they have. So do they feel like they're in the panicked? I know I have all these impacts coming but I don't know what to do about it space or are they in A. Here's what I think we should do about it. And now we can't pay for it and generally in that second category of cities who are who feel like they have the solution but not the money. That's where we are the most productive because we can sit down with that community and say well if you think about this impact differently or if you think about the solution differently than you can actually open up access to different types of resources and a great example on that one hoboken really did this best of any of the cities we worked with early on at we sat down with them and they said look. We were under twelve feet of water. After Sandy and it was horrifying. They had parts of their community out of power for a couple weeks and they did amazing things right after sandy to get the community back on its feet but also become very forward looking looking at one hundred years from now not fifty years or ten years and what hoboken did with us. They said well. We clearly need to deal with flooding and we asked them to zoom out. We said let's think for a minute about what else you want in your community can't just be defensive on preventing or protecting against the next sandy and so it took some time in some iterative conversations but Carolina's team and this was under mayor. Don Zimmer was fantastic. She said well look for our community. Where RIGHT NEXT TO NEW YORK? And we don't have a lot of greenspace hoboken as one square mile an almost entirely paid so they didn't have a lot of park and recreational space for residents and they also had a lot of trouble with parking so lots of cars in commuters who park in Hoboken then commute to New York by train and so once we had a broader sense of their priorities. What we were able to help. The city design was a solution that did more than one thing so you could bring in multiple colors of money to pay for the same project that might have been hard to pay for otherwise and so in hoboken case they were able to take an original design that we did for them which was integrating parking to hold floodwater so think of giant bathtub and combining that with a six acre park that was designed like a sponge with green infrastructure and used those value creation opportunities so the community got something today that it really values and helps pay for flood protection for the next fifty to one hundred years and so. I think what we tend to see is the space where the climate impacts are being seen. They are understood well to different degrees. But it's really the solution space where rather than locking into something small if you could actually zoom out you get better outcomes. Another great example. As the city of El Paso which El Paso's water system El Paso gets on the order of less than ten inches of rain a year. Which you hear about storms at places like Houston. That's a fraction of what they get in a single event. And what the city of El Paso is dealing with is that it's stormwater system is mostly it's ropes which means that the roads are becoming increasingly potholed hard to maintain and they aren't living up to their design life because a flash flooding and so the maintenance department is totally overwhelmed. And so working with Al Paso there. They saw the solution to flash floods and storm. Water Management is green infrastructure. But they're real obstacle was figuring out. Do you maintain this stuff without becoming a burden on an already overworked maintenance department and so in that case they did some really smart early planning and said well. How do we actually craft a set of solutions invite ideas for green infrastructure solutions that can reduce our maintenance costs and protect our road and so in that case it wasn't about designing something different than they envisioned? It was designing a different way to pay for. It would make sure I understood you right there. You think though at the stage of most cities are going to say but most are at least thinking about the climate change issues. But they're not taking it to that next step kind of doing planning that that you guys are doing that. I have that right. Yeah I think most of these are thinking about climate change. They're different degrees of prepared to panicked but the solution space is still wide open and folks latch on to. I've heard this worked somewhere else or I just need a seawall and oftentimes it takes a deeper dive to get to a better more tailor-made solution that you can actually implemented pay for okay. It's a recurring theme of me. Kind of dissing the south because I am from the South and so do you have any projects in the southeast. Are you working? And don't say Miami because they're that's not because that's one of the southeast city on its own creature because I would disagree and I I just think communities that haven't even did I can't even say it even forget the politics they just don't and so I think there's a level of sophistication that it sort of takes to even want to have a conversation with you and I thank you might push back. I think there's lots and lots of cities that aren't even the most basic like Oh. Climate change is an issue and it. That's very concerning so totally agree. We're coming through entirely different doorways for these conversations stuff which is in in the deep south. We don't often talk about climate what we will do. Start the conversation by saying you know who loses money when this flood happen have gotten worse in the last five years. And that's a very different way to start the discussion and it does require tiptoeing around some very obvious things and it's it's very much when we're involved. I think to be entirely fair. The communities that have their heads entirely in the sand about climate change are not reaching out to us. Our most direct engagement are with folks who see that they have a problem now. See that it's getting worse whether they call that climate or not is still open and or whether they attributed to climate change is still open but it doesn't prevent us from working with them and so I think one of the things that we do pretty differently because we're focused on the finance side of becoming more resilient than we specifically use resilience because there's less opposition to it. In communities that have political challenges in tackling climate change head on we get an entry way into the south end into communities that wouldn't necessarily have things like climate action plans and get to tackle something where it's a really critical underpinning to being more climate smart and resilient and so a great example as Mobile Alabama has been dealing with deferred maintenance backlogs by calling it infrastructure blight. And they're doing a lot more than a lot of communities in the north that haven't dealt with their maintenance backlogs that leave them at greater risk every single year for the next storm but would they call it. Climate change absolutely not. Would they call climate action for sure enough in listen I? I don't think cities need to go out of their way to just say climate change for the sake being politically correct but at the same time. Let's say you're even saying well. I've had fled. It's been getting worse than the last five years if you in. This goes back to that conversation about like. What's the future going to look like compared to the past and if they're still just like well we're planning for that flood. That happened just a couple of years ago as opposed to what's really going to happen in the future the not talking about climate change. That's just seems so problematic. It has its limits right so I think we take pretty pragmatic approach. Which is how do you make things better? If not perfect in in a lot of communities where you're still just trying to open the door these discussions and the incrementally better for us as really we. We measure success by. Who's less at risk? And in some communities that is a very different discussion than others where they're talking about hundred year protection versus tenure protection. And it's very much a community driven decision for us but we have been surprised. I think in places that don't seem to have a lot of deep sophistication about climate modeling or forecasts where we've been able to walk through the door and have a discussion about insurance costs at it. Essentially gets you to the same thing because you're looking at a rising future problem and you can put it into a different framework that makes it a little bit more palatable to solve but I agree. It's a huge problem and I think in order to do this work. You have to be optimistic about the learning curve so we we try to go into every community that way and we do get stuck in some communities we we end up offering solutions that don't get implemented okay. I love speculating about things that I'm going to get you to speculate here. Envisioning how your process unfolds. And let's say there's just this massive uptake you know. The cities across the country are sort of doing it but also at the same time there's going to be winners and losers there are with everything and I just imagined in this sort of future environment. There's a couple of things where get let. Let's say cities that aren't aggressive enough in doing their planning to like we talked about it. They didn't take it seriously enough. Or and you you have that federal experience maybe when it comes to sort of the big grants and the big money that these communities need to tap into they're gonNA say well know. These big areas are under threat of flooding or risk of this. We don't want it. It's going to be a bad investment and I sort of almost envisioned. The rust belt be people fled it. Or the economy's contracted being it was related to some economic. And the you know but I'm just thinking there's going to be the equivalent of a rust belt in regards to like communities impacted by adaptation in the lack of planning or the actual impact. And I just I. I wonder if there's any way to kind of even predict where we might have this contraction in areas. Because of everything that you're doing that's interesting I you know it's it's a fascinating question. It's not something I've thought deeply about but my instinct is that the rust belt was a product of a set of things that economic factors where you can see a geographic concentration of the impacts. That's why it's a belt and I'm I'm from. Pittsburgh is my hometown so I I know it well and what that kind of economic decimation can do to a set of communities. I think two things that are going to make the climate impacts a little bit. Different one is that it's it's not a single force that regionally concentrated right if it were just flooding and you were looking for example at the Mississippi River region. That's been hit incredibly hard in the past couple years. Then you might see more of geographic concentration but instead you have wildfire here in California flood in the middle of the country on the south hurricanes along the coast so I think everybody is feeling different thing. So there's not that Kinda unifying sense of a single thing happening and the other thing is I think we're gonNA see more of the type of I don't know that you call it flight. But just gradual deterioration at a sector level than geographic level where you see impacts that. Play out in industrial corridors. That no longer have access to enough water. Or there's too much water for production or supply chains. So my instinct is that we're going to see this in industrial sector said agriculture sector more readily than we would in specific geographies sector-by-sector going to be impacted. But I do think geography could come into play that you think like Galveston to Tampa you. Could you could be like the flood belt or something like that that. There's these communities it's going to be like a state of enterpise. They solely kind of dissolved. Because it's the infrastructure investments are going to be too great dealing with sea level rise and impacts and geographically places like hoboken New York City. They're going to be able to afford it but other areas. I think this is going to be sort of an unraveling going on. I think that's true and I think we're seeing it in slow motion. It's just such slow motion that it's hard to kind of zoom outing get the blurry picture crystallize. But I think you're absolutely right. We are going to see that. And it's part of why I think the most important things that we can do are some of the least sexy right which is helping small communities in medium sized communities that are less well resourced get better access to the resources to make that leap. So they're not in a zero sum game with a New Yorker San Francisco. But you're actually able to move the needle in Gary Indiana rights. If I'm kind of thinking of what you're doing is here's an opportunity for a community necessarily have a silver bullet to these problems. But it's taking aggressive action to kind of avoid this unraveling sort of pre-planning. You're just. Yeah you're you're climate-proofing yourself as best you can exactly right and I think it's you know it's very much if you if you look at the small medium sized communities it leads you to a lot of issues that don't sound directly. Adaptation related resilience related like deferred maintenance or procurement but those are really the day-to-day stumbling blocks. That keep you from acting and would leave you either indefinitely studying the problem or ignoring it so I got a few more questions in this area and then I want to transition to a just a little bit different conversation but let's say there's someone out there who's involved in this area. I think I have a relatively small team. And if you WANNA mention who who they are and what they do that I think it'd be useful but like if there was a city out there that wanted to do this. Are you even a resource or you so big into like sort of the projects that you're doing? How does that all work? No we absolutely take direct phone calls from city. Our our team doesn't really do any marketing. We are were tiny. Were four five people on any given set of projects that year we tend to do three large infrastructure projects at any given time but we punch above our weight in a lot of ways because we will partner with on higher whole big firms and some of our partners will dwarf us in size. So we've worked really well. With construction firms like Bechtel. They were involved in some of the early early hoboken. A conceptual design work. Big Banking Institutions. Goldman Sachs said insurance companies and brokers like a on as Swiss re. So we have a reach well beyond what the size of our team might reflect and part of the reason for that is. We don't necessarily know what problem we're solving for a city when we first go in so for hoboken if we had had a hydrologist on staff. That might not have helped us very much. We actually needed folks who understood parking and green infrastructure recreational spaces. And so you have to be able to switch out. Skill sets to solve the problems on meet the needs that you actually hear from city and that doesn't necessarily lend itself to growing a small firm what it does is it. It keeps US lean and mean creative team and then we sourced specific skills and resources. We need on a project by project basis so we have a lot of capacity through partners and on kind of early stage projects we work with big institutions like the World Bank and federal agencies. All the way out to directly working with cities and when we see something that is a skill set that other folks have. That's more direct than anything we could provide. We send him to a pretty wide network of partners and so I think we're pretty unusual as a social business that we're were set up to be problem. Solvers and create a market opportunities to really scale the field. And that's where our team. We have lines of work that are helping cities through procurement challenges and some of that has spun out into its own set of businesses. And we also are doing the same in the insurance face. So it's been a very unusual thing path in entrepreneurship for me. That has allowed me to stay closer to what I was doing in public service and be this creative problem solver while still creating growth opportunities in projects that turn into lines of us into some Sun even talking to you I on your website. There's a procurement tool kit. They can go in just like go through that a bit more about what they might. Is that how it works? Yeah exactly right. So that's a free resource for cities. It was done with our partners at the atlas marketplace which is a sister company that spun out a few years ago with two of my team members who are leading that that company L. Hemp in ellery months and they're phenomenal. They are helping cities essentially learn from each other rather than getting bombarded by folk selling technology and trying to figure out what's best for them. And so if you think about a city that's trying to do anything from replacing lead pipes in the water system all way out to energy efficiency energy efficient streetlights right the best place to learn about what worked and what didn't is from a city. That's already tried. It and so. The atlas helps connect those communities but also helps innovative technology companies kind of breakthrough the advertising cycles where you're shouting among a whole bunch of other folks at trade shows and it's very hard to show what's actually worked and what hasn't so. That's the kind of thing where the procurement toolkit led to an entire platform to help. Cities Better find source and procure innovative adaptation solutions. I I WANNA end this on talking about the the field of adaptation. But I'm GonNa talk to Caleb Stratton from the city of hoboken what. What can I without stealing his thunder. What can I sort of expect to talk about with him? Oh Caleb is fantastic. So them He. He is the chief resilience officer now for the city of hoboken so he can speak really broadly. About how a tiny city like hoboken that seems well resourced managed to get to a new level of ambition about what they could do to adapt and I think one of the things that's most interesting about how Kaleb and his colleagues on team really showed leadership early on is they did something pretty different for a small city which is a lot of small cities will look into their budget. You know the equivalent of you looking at your wallet and saying what can I afford and in the case of hoboken fording flood pump or a water pump just to pump out the water after your flooded and they were very very open to having a different conversation of light. Even though we don't have the money for this now what could we do? And how can we pay for it and I think there are a real model of APP? Tation ambition turn to practice and the process of how they did that on all the different ways that cities tend to fall off that path in hoboken didn't is really useful for other small medium sized communities that have a hard time seeing themselves in San Francisco with its tremendous staffing resources. But could really look at hoboken and say well I could. I could do that. I could see that happening here great. I'm looking forward to my conversation with Kayla but I want to wrap up this conversation with you and do you consider yourself adaptation professional. You've listened to this podcast and so you've got to hear me talk about that but in what you're doing do you feel like you're part of that community. You Know I. I'm glad were included at community but it's it's not necessarily how I describe myself. I still describe myself as a designer in an architect where you're you're solving problems for communities and climate absolutely Climate change is part of everything we do. But I think because it's taken me a long time to describe myself as adaptation professional. Even though it's something I've worked on from well before it was trendy when it was still mitigation versus adaptation. And I think the reluctance to say that is because we don't live in an advocacy space. We live in a kind of nuts and bolts problem solving space. And I think now I would say yeah. We're absolutely adaptation professionals than we need more of us and we need more of big engineering firms to have adaptation professionals. So it's less of a sidebar conversation. So you are an adapter. Good good good. So Do you do anything? Besides listen to this podcast. Feel like you're part of that broader community 'cause you there's the national adaptation form and some associations are you connecting or do you feel. Do you find any value in doing any of that yet. I do. I'm a proud card carrying member of the American Society adaptation professionals and I do ton of actually mentoring in the field much more so for recent college grads that have graduated with stem degrees at are looking at a patient professionals but there isn't a natural career path and so I got a lot of folks reaching out to our team saying. How did you get where you're at and that's always a good always far existential crisis right? Because I think we've we've gotten to where we are by following at solving interesting problems not by trying to create a career path and I think I've learned a lot about the field and I am proud. Adapter because of those conversations about the generation of folks coming up who are being much more intentional about creating Matt career path within institutions. That don't necessarily have it. I I've been a Pasadena. California Adaptation Forum. But I find it super valuable to be able to engage with folks. Who Do this every day when we don't necessarily interact on the field very much? Yeah it is interesting. I same thing with me. I hear from listeners that our student listeners who want to get into the field and I don't necessarily have all the answers for them and part of the things that comes up in. The podcast is university programs. That aren't quite there yet. In regards to training at you you get environmental science and you know how it is right now. A lot of it is. You have like you said stem background and you know you can hate to describe it is wing it but you can catch up relatively quickly. But the sign that we're maturing as a field is that oh. I got a master's in adaptation and architectural planning and there's coursework and I haven't upcoming episode. I talk with someone who who who's programmatic -ly looking at. How do you develop a program at a university around this issue? And I'm looking forward to that and kind of digging into that just because I think there's a huge demand and the universities aren't there yet. There's professors doing incredible work. But it's not even close you know. This is a total tangent from my current infrastructure life. But it's a little bit like fifteen years ago. A lot of colleges were struggling with creating multidisciplinary programs and they graduated set of people who nobody knew how to evaluate what they were good at and so it was easier to have a degree in one thing and then people would know. You know you're an architect or you're an accountant or your engineer. And I think adaptation because it is so cross cutting is even a level beyond that right instead of multiple disciplines you're doing something truly interdisciplinary and so we really do. Need those integrators trained up and trained up well but the generation that's training them as learning as they go and we need to make sure that those young folks who are moving through everything from Undergrad to programs right graduate programs will evaluate you based on your discipline and so I think there's a real structural set of problems not just in the private sector or in the public sector. It's really had you train in higher for the folks who can do this well and I think there's a lot to learn from places like the tech sector where you have a set of skills that are really identifiable and you can judge them based on quality but then you can move to different applications with some real sensitivity and pragmatism and creativity part. What's exciting about being adaptation is because what your program? I mean this innovative things that are coming through and you can really experiment and there's not a lot of people saying no. You can't do that. That's very exciting. But I just wonder in ten twenty years as more people it bakes into what their expertise is. They're gonNA look at us as dinosaurs that you know. There's this bit more of a sophisticated field than you're giving credit for in you know. I just wonder if it's going to evolve that way. I look forward to the day when we hire the first person who thinks that we're dinosaurs. But we've gotten someone who's going to improve what we do dramatically and I can't wait. I think I think there is a generation of ups who's coming up that way as desperately needed inside government institutions local federal and at across big firms. That have been doing things the same way for a long time. Yeah a sap another trying to encourage the certification whatever and I just. You know tagline could with adaptation professionals. No longer winging it. I'd say go with what they're doing but at the same time I still feel like we've got quite a while of experimenting which is kind of exciting. So that's right and I think the the experimenting is tremendously valuable and we have to create the space where okay to get it slightly wrong end. Learn because if you don't learn from those mistakes we we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA END UP. Just doing the same thing rather than a necessary thing. And that's where I'm really excited about some of the procurement work as unsexy as it sounds is creating that space for cities to to safely experiment not in the Silicon Valley. You Know Fail Fast Model. Because you just aren't you can't fail communities right. You can't put public health and safety at risk but you do need to be able to learn and continuously improve. And I think we're getting better at it in the last eight years that we've been at this. Let me assure you that procurement Does sound sexy so it is what it is okay. You probably know what's coming but my last question is if you could recommend anyone to come on. Well you know what I keep doing this. Do I did new question. I've got two questions now and the first question is in. I'll wait to ask. The final question is who's been an inspiration to you in the adaptation space. And just if you could keep it to one because every single person can I give seventeen examples to try to keep it to one if you can for sure I'm GonNa give you one and he is like a beacon for me and the adaptation face even though he's never worked in adaptation and it's friend colleague who retired from the WHO? I got to work with for several years. His name is Mike. Stall and he worked his way up through the ranks of decades of EPA in compliance and enforcement programs and one of the things he did that was amazing was measure the value of environmental protection and helped the whole agency make the case for not doing something. So here is the pollution avoided. And what I learned from him as really the underpinning of everything that I've done my career and adaptation which is how do you make the case for those successes? That are something that doesn't happen because when you're in government the first you do that everyone applauds the second year. Your budget is cut. Because you clearly don't need it third year your job in your staff go away and so being able to do that well in this is one of the things that I give him. Enormous credit for for having really shown me how it's done across decades in environmental regulation and compliance on enforcement. But thanks. That's awesome a career bureaucrat. You know they`re. They're unloaded out there so good good so many are so good final question if you could recommend someone to actually come on the podcast. Who wouldn't be so I would recommend. There's a fantastic chief resilience officer. Her name is Marissa Otto and she is one of the rare birds that has moved across multiple cities and helped develop really interesting adaptation and resilience solutions in very different contexts. So she started out in the city of Los Angeles and is now the CRO for the city of Houston. And I think having her on just talking about those two very different cities in the the ambitions in each coming from very very different politics would be fascinating article. You know her I do yeah. I'm happy to happy to connect you. She's great okay. Awesome so thank you so much for coming on. You're doing really important work like we said. It might not sound sexy. But it's just this is the stuff that's going to get society to that next level so deeply what you're up too and thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me hate actors joining me. Is Caleb Stratton chief resilience officer for the city of Hoboken High Kayla to the podcast? Hey thanks for having me. I really appreciate it. So you're coming on as part of this conversation. I'm having with Shalini and so we wanted to hear a little bit more about what's going on hoboken but what do you do though? I as the chief resilience officer for the city there. What is that role? Mien so my responsibilities are to manage our adaptation projects and help align the money that we're spending in the city with risk reduction goals and to do that by doing these projects trying to realize multiple uses through our intervention soda. Example of that is project the main Shalini about witches are North West Park roximately in eighty million dollar project will redoing subsurface storage for stormwater reducing flood risk residual abyss in the area around the park but also producing new amenity for the community so was Hurricane Sandy. Really to do this or was this already in the works absolutely. It actually goes back one year prior hurricane Irene in the city was a consequential rain event. I WANNA say lose with multiple feet of water on the western side of the city is a picture of like a Houston esque flood event. And that got everyone's attention in that started. What is part of our Comprehensive Water Management Strategy? That started our delay store discharge projects which are making more capacity in our sewer system providing pumps to pump water when necessary and then also Keeping water out of our sewer system. Okay so I just I guess to give people a visual. What happened during hurricane? Sandy though I wasn't much more consequential event I mean. The city was under water right so I really had multiple feet of water in certain maligning areas of the city. Sandy was a catastrophic eighty percent of the one mile square city of hoboken flooded out power for a couple of weeks. Irene got the city's attention. Sandy cemented the fact that we need to bend the will and the ability of local government to reducing risks in these areas between two thousand eleven. Two thousand twelve this. We started tease out the strategy. This idea of adaptation in really what? You're seeing now. In in our construction activities for North West Park. Was the genesis of that idea. Came from Iranian Sandy. But was route was really stood up on its feet by emotionally. Early Work Refocus. So how did that phone? How did was this something kind of a new way of thinking? How did you get involved with them? In the first place I think we are introduced to her team through. It was either a grant opportunity where they reach out to us directly but she had. She had tronto funding to work with cities across the country. That we're working on option in We happen to be one of the ones that she was interested in working with. I would say her pre investment work envisioning work with the city of book was occurring while we were in our prime adaptation in planning mode. Su there is a real synergy there with how her teens able to step in kind of meet us towards these ideas This is not storm. Water Park is not a new concept. It's done in Philadelphia in Rotterdam but we were able to kind of take a look at best practices elsewhere and apply them to this kind of complex urban environment. And so this particular project I think is the northwest project that you're working on. What are the multiple purposes? But I guess what's the ultimate purpose is just sort of flood. Mitigation Flirtation for the western side of the city are sewage. Our drainage areas are splitting the seven. Neighborhoods this neighborhood which we call the. H seven sewer shed. We are going to go from doing this project. We are going to go from four combined. Sewer overflow events a month to four combined. Sewer overflows a year so forty eight overflows down to four overflows. That's consistent with direction. We're getting from the EPA to satisfy our long-term control plans. What that means is. There's a high level storm sewer separation so we're kind of creating a new drainage area that will redirect flow storm water to the five Acre North West Park were in construction of a subsurface system and then our project partners North Hudson sewage. You're building a pump. So that after water flows to the park. You kind of shaving. The top off of that bell curve of where flood events occur but then on the surface of the park. We've got a Highschool sized soccer field a alone for people to come and amphitheater skating rink. There's rain gardens all of this. So the surface of the site itself has seven hundred fifty thousand gallons of storage of rainwater on the surface. And we've got a million gown subsurface and I think to put that into context. Sue was like six hundred sixty thousand gallons of three. Olympic sized swimming pools of Water. That would otherwise be on the city streets or overflowing to the Hudson River during it. Sounds like like major restructuring of the plumbing but I imagine that the city of hoboken. It's very built up and so green. Infrastructure is way to mitigate flooding. Just wasn't an option for you. Guys have a green infrastructure strategic plan but a lot of lot of the challenges we find beautiful structures. It's expensive expensive. Contain were really tracking toward big volume. We need to have areas where water can flow to. This is a principle that we've taken from the Dutch in living with water. It's not always about managing it through best practices. We have a lot of district installed throughout the city part of that delay strategy. I mentioned before is this is the last part is the last three resorts parks on the western side of the city of the first one we did was two hundred thousand gallons subsurface project. The second one's four hundred thousand gallons sub surface project. Both those projects were built in opened in two thousand seventeen year. Two Thousand Nineteen is motion vicious for sure up in addition to that we've done right away bio sales curb. Extension bump outs and we've installed. We actually did a demonstration project around city hall very visible area of like you said. The city super built out somewhere near like six thousand pedestrians during the peak hour. They're walking by. So we did bio sisters planters porous concrete all around city hall to give one of these interventions where people were like do something we want to address flooding and we thought it'd be a good way to put our money where mouth this to do it. All around City Hall people see it. Interactive can understand it. It's visible. We actually have a demonstration of green roofs. We've a big green program so yeah it was just a this kind of natural extension of the importance of green infrastructure. But not relying on that exclusively. I would say that most of our products are Rian Gray. Bland were under the ground. Pretty heavily engineered pretty pretty pretty traditional then above the surface. We've to provide that cuny amend Neva over not relying exclusively on premium structure. Have a few more questions here in regarding the public in your you bring up these projects and you need to get funded. You need to get public support. You need to get like the local leadership. Support is climate change used as sort of the rhetoric or a communication strategy to get people on board or do you just kind of avoid it. I mean is it even talked about by the local population. You need to do what you're doing here to adapt to climate change. I so it's A. It's a great question. I think that we talk about when you usually talk about. Climate Change through the Lens of are reducing our carbon footprint and we. I would say that we put that. The climate change topic in our in our sustainability book of business in as far as residency goes we use climate change as a as an obvious an unknown kind of impact to the this kind of dynamic system. Very living but art the challenges. We have are so great here that I don't necessarily need to frame the challenge within the context of climate change impacts that. We're dealing with here now in that rather than talk about something that could be potentially like a debate item polarizing. It's not the foundation from which we build our arguments from So it's it's part of the conversation. Don't necessarily focus on talk about it. A lot more in our sustainability efforts but for our big park build out projects were a little more centered conversations. More centered on risk reduction. And you're the community that's a serious concern because they've lived through Iranian Sandy. And I think that a lot of support to reduce those risks that really underpin quality of life and ability to conduct business in the city. Okay so you're the chief resilience are you part of that whole group from that was funded. I think there's a Rockefeller Foundation. Are you part of that or are you just separate now? We watched like hoboken's just community across the river from Manhattan watched the ends a really New York City step into the program. We met with Melissa. Ho in the city of Los Angeles they. They invited us to come out. We met with the Rockefeller Foundation hosted the Rockefeller Foundation. But the position. I was in the position to see where we are. We're off and running and we applied all three rounds of one hundred resigned. Cities would have loved to be part of that but know that this is We were outgrowth extension of that and we. We borrowed heavily heavily from the work that erupted to work on at the United Nations to kind of frame out our resilience strategy and Two things I want to highlight. Is that one. The the Chief Financial Officer Position. I think the State of New Jersey. I I WANNA see New Jersey but the state itself has appointed a chief presiding officer. So it's kind of growing in the second thing is is. I don't know when we met with Melissa and her team Los Angeles think that L. A. Had appointed a deputy chief design officer in every one of their divisions in the city. So that so it's it's I'm an I'm an outgrowth of that original one hundred hundred cities I think. More cities are adopting these practices And it's kind of this growing idea that we need to adapt guests to climate change but also just adapt are thinking are the best practices. My understanding rockfeller pulled back on that. But it's it's great that spurred a lot of other communities like yours is like commit to it and you're still going on so that that's very encouraging couple easy questions here to wrap this up okay. Besides the people what makes hoboken so great. It's it's always tough questions. Pat Yourself on the back but I think that one of the attributes that makes a great community is that in the post industrial era when show hoboken's working waterfront city. Hoboken was the point of disembarkment. Four World War One but it was a blue collar city and it's a city that developed at a big village scale. So what I need. Is We a really traditional gritted street system and we have new three to four storey buildings? It's that I think we've got the special sauce for scale So it feels like a community. Even though were in directly crossing the West village the city of New York Manhattan like the Megalopolis. The New York region is I. Think that the scale of the city hoboken and When I started this that one of the things that whole Baker has done has invested in preserving water front access as a community good so there are very few remained. There's one remaining parcel of land that were working to acquire but hoboken has a mile and a half of continuous New York City using water front access now as community like a accessible. So you can go to work on the fair. You can go to work on the train but The idea that we're kind of Urban village with connectivity and access to a waterfront on I just really think that's incredible asset end of Hogan has done well to preserve this idea of a community within all the changes that are occurring so like losing retail stores. We don't have big boxes. It's kind of like you walk to launch walked about the dinner. You Walk to near to pick up groceries on the way home and I have to give a lot of credit card Dr Transportation. We were one of the first communities on these Costa pilots. Scooter share So were heavily heavily. Invested in micro mobility bike sharing got we just received the Golden Building Council so aside from like the flood risk stuff. We've got this special sauce for equality of life. Wow Great I didn't learn to ton right there and and this last question and I would be missed by not asking is. Have you ever actually met the cake boss? I have not I been. I been part of like photo shoots where I am. Bayer and pass Mayor Zimmer would be with him doing something or it'd be introducing someone but uh mean buddy or buddies I just I just imagined it was such a small community. Everybody kind of knew each other and you knew that was probably naive but I'm looking. I'm looking I'm looking right now at the His delicate literally outside of my window at City Hall. No but it's a great institution we're happy to have them and I just want to thank you for your time and appreciate the interest. I know you've got a full slate. I appreciate you coming on in a fantastic. The work that hoboken's doing and thanks again for coming on. Yeah absolutely okay adapters. That is Irap. Thanks to Shalini and Kayla for coming on so many interesting. Things are rising in the climate's base. Some of them don't get a lot of attention. Investing in infrastructure is where a lot of money will be dedicated to adaptation in the coming years communities will need help to find the proper way to do this planning but more importantly just becoming aware of their options in this changing climate refocus seems to have a good model of creating that awareness walking cities through this process. And I'm very encouraged to see Caleb in the city of hoboken really take this issue seriously. I guess that's what happens. When you get hit by a major perking but hopefully others can learn from their experiences. Okay don't forget to check out the Impact Studios Lincoln my show notes. If you're interested in learning more about that don't forget to donate America dabs to charitable organization. We count on your support. Thanks to all those had been recurring. Donors don't forget. Join the facebook page. The facebook community group. The group is private but just search for America APPS and asked to join up review right away. It's a chance to hear insider info on the podcast and see what others are sharing the wall on that note. I love hearing from you come on. I know you're out there. You're working for cool organizations or you're just someone in the public you're not even related to the field but you listen because you WANNA learn I love hearing from you. 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It was right around the time on facebook twitter old that came out so it was a really perfect serendipitous time discharged. Lots has changed as it always does in the media world so when I was featured I had already left my job I was a school counselor and then I took my hoboken girl experience and said you know what. I'm going to try my hand at the magazine World. Obviously that kind of shuttering world as it continues on but media is still booming and so I worked at Brides magazine Conde Nast for two years and then from there I took my experience and said you know what I'm GonNa do my own and I took hoboken go full time We now have a team of six employees at about twenty freelancers and yeah I mean so much. Change started a podcast in August. Two Thousand Nineteen which is taken off. It's nothing compared to side hustle. But we have usually around a thousand downloads per episode which is pretty good for local production. I would say the challenged no matter when it is pandemic or not pandemic the biggest challenge. I have is just trying to off time. I'm the head of the ship and as an entrepreneur. You know we always wear so many hats side-hustle or fulltime hustle and really in the digital age just is in a lot of downtime and there really aren't working hours anymore it feels like so that has been something that. I've really been trying to work on. They actually think that You know I've tried to pick one day where I take off fully and just to look at anything and that's helped to that that that is a big challenge and then growing our team just figuring out what is really necessary to have an extra person doing versus myself or someone. So it's been it's been a lot it's all it's all good challenges just figuring out what works best for our team and for our growth. The biggest advice that I would say a couple of things consistency so when I started I saw lots of blogs out there that were doing similar things and just not in my area but just in general and I think that when you are pointing to write. Consistency is the biggest thing hosting daily not stopping. Not Saying oh I'm getting married so I'M GONNA stop or I'm having a baby so I'm GonNa stop as of course those are big life events. That of course need attention. But you know making sure that it is incorporated into everything that you're doing and just continuing on with it even if it's just a plan that you make a few days a week that you know you're posting make sure to do it. That was something with hoboken rail that I always did and it grew to be something that people looked for. Instead of just surprise I have a new post up. It was oh four or five days a week. This is happening. And now we have three or four articles a day that Golo seventy s a week and I think the other big thing. That is so important for anyone whether it's in social media or it on a media site is engagement with your platform. I see a lot of businesses a lot of media companies that share tons of amazing content. But you never see them ever responding to their followers or readers and I think that that is what really separates a brand that has a community engagement versus not the always Dm's we handle any type of questions. I actually have someone that I pay part. Time to specifically comment and Deanne people one neighborhood reached out to us so I think that's crucial and then the last thing be flexible. That just is abroad thing but when it comes to something like starting a media site or starting a blog think about things like Tik. Tok Ten years ago we would have never heard of Tiktok Bud. Now it's here embrace it. Try It out you know when I first started. Instagram wasn't even a big thing yet. I said Oh you know what I'm GonNa just try this platform and now. Instagram brings us the most of our readers and engagement to our site. So just be open to change. We tried snapchat snapchat. Seems to says old So you just follow up. It always always be open to those near experiences. Awesome thank you so much. Jennifer hoboken girl DOT COM. Everybody go and check it out. Not that she needs more readers because her blog is doing so well but still go and check it out the biggest lesson here. I think is consistency consistency and maybe also engagement Alex. She was talking about their consistency in terms. Of what this blogger? Whatever the thing is I'm GonNa make it's GonNa come out on this regular schedule. You can expect it if you choose to invest your time as a reader a listener follower you can trust. That's going to be there on a regular schedule. I think that built so much. Trust him loyalty overtime and in her case she's actually been able to publish more and more over time so consistency and then also engagement. I think she when she said something. About how the difference between like a brandon a community or a company and community not that a company cannot be a community but whatever the distinction. There is that that some people are some companies. It's just a one way broadcast essentially and there is no way to communicate directly with the people who are supporting that brand and depending on what you're doing that may be okay but I would suggest if it is a blog or if it's a podcast or it's any kind of personality based or you're trying to put forward a message of some kind and recruit fires fans etc. The more engagement. The Better. I've been trying to do that even more and myself. You may have noticed with the podcast. You know shift that we did earlier this year to have a lot more listener questions and comments. I started a new youtube channel in April. Where pretty much all I do? Is Youtube live interacting with people so? I'm continuing to learn as well. That's my point without by the way it's not just like hey look at me. It's more like I have lots learn to so consistency and engagement. So many blogs come and go but this one has stayed in grown and as you heard whatever it was six employees twenty contractors so good work Jennifer and listeners. Twenty twenty is our year of interaction speaking of engagement. If you have a question if you'd like to update us about your side-hustle if you'd like a free trip to hoboken I don't have that thing but everything else comes out of school dot com slash questions. We'll be them throughout the year along with updates from other listeners and more things coming up to got some stuff plan for the second half of the year. Look forward to sharing that with you soon. I hope you will continue to listen. Thank you so much for your time and attention. I hope it's helpful to you. My name is Chris. Gil about this is silence from the onward project.

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Pay For Your Dreams | A GaryVee Mashup

The GaryVee Audio Experience

03:56 min | 3 months ago

Pay For Your Dreams | A GaryVee Mashup

"What's good everybody? Obviously behavior's changed and with people commuting less. The long. PODCAST is something that I want to challenge, so we'd come up with this idea of doing three day five six seven ministers. Always, they always challenge yourself always trying to things I hope you get a ton of value out of this and I'd love to hear feedback on twitter on my platform in my instagram. Comments anywhere leave some feedback on this podcast day. Little concept will try for a couple of weeks. We'll see what's up. This is the Gary v Audio experience. We do not live in an accountable world right now. Everything is somebody else's fault and we need to re correct that because when you think somebody else control shit, you're unhappy. I'm happy because I. Don't think Instagram owns me I. Think I own instagram. Ramones you. You're like fuck the machine the. You know the government. The people get fucking on tilt by parents like people shit on their parents and my M. I reply, simply are. Are you taking money from them yet? But I'm like no yeah, but not shit on. Your parents appear on the fucking payroll. Yeah, if you're twenty six and your parents pay for your Uber, you can't say shit about that. Shut the fuck, up. I love it for parents are making me do. Move move the fuck out of your home, but how do I live on my lip shitty. Yeah either live cozy on your parents rules because they pay for that Shit. Or shitty with your three home. He's not in hoboken in Harrison in a shittier apartment. 'cause. That's what you can afford. People Ignore, but Gary v like people got Madam yesterday because I said some like. If you as long as your parents are paying, you're not a man. All got hurt. He's like Oh! My parents for my equinoxes. Economics. Like walk out here, trying to act like they're somebody there like fucking startup CEO on Instagram but there. Mommy's paying for their fucking. Uber or they're fucking apartment and they're mad when their parents are like you'll. Maybe you should give up on on your startup and maybe go to law school. Fuck you, mom, you don't trust my. Mother fucker you got dreams. Pay For your own fucking dreams. Pain for your life. Follow what the fuck! They want you to fucking school. Because! My theory is like if I've got eight hundred balls in the air. Let's actually make it real up. Forty four balls in the air I'm okay with seven breaking because I don't give a fuck about your judgment on those else, and that's the big one and two. I still got thirty seven balls in the air, and that's how I like to Juggle. Other people are Taipei really. They just enjoyed one thing headed down. There is a way to answer the release that it's bullshit to you need you don't need. Seven screens have been come yet. There's A. Joint be happy. As long as you can. You want the judgment that when you talk shit that you're fucking birther business was going to kill it, but then it was one of the things that dropped because you were worried about something else as long as you can deal with those else than just leap yourself. I'm not willing to my my kings. Among worried what fails the fuck? Does that have to do with you judging my else? This is about having a relationship with using the amount of insecurity. That's out. There is absurd. People scared about losing to WHO fucking scared of losing to happen. Your Mom's GonNa. Call you fucking loser. I told you should have been a nurse who? Shipping now what who who? Who Losses it besides yours because I'm promising something right now. The number one thing every fucking person in here should be worried about is. You want some real poison. You want some. Perks. We can't get the amy regret that you didn't fuck and try.

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#1251 - TBT: The Craigslist Photographer Returns With a Report

Side Hustle School

08:10 min | 5 months ago

#1251 - TBT: The Craigslist Photographer Returns With a Report

"Hey, what's up? Chris kilovolt here from Status School. my goodness, welcome to throwback Thursday slash. Where are they now where we take an in depth, look at someone who story off quite a bit since we first feature them. Really Fun to how these features. blasted past and catch up with folks and see what they've learned how they've advanced. Any struggles experienced any challenges, etc.. All kinds of features including a New York City musician with a blog teaching jazz that becomes a multiple six figure business just to name one example. Last week was a blog. It's now I believe also multiple six figure business up log about Hoboken New Jersey so today in our latest feature, we hear from a Guy I've known for a long time. He's a friend of mine actually happens to be a civil engineer who had a wild idea a few years ago to offer wedding photography services through craigslist. Well. What's happened since? Let's hear directly from him. His name is Oliver. I'll be back at the end to wrap us up. Support for? It comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home. Today is so much more than it was yesterday. But it rocket mortgage home is still all about you. During these challenging times, the top priority at rocket mortgage is the health and safety of the communities they serve. If you need mortgage assistance. Their team is available, twenty, four seven to answer questions and offer solutions whether that means saving money on your mortgage or finding a new way to navigate payments from their homes yours. The team at rocket mortgage is with you. Visit rocket mortgage dot com slash hustle to learn more. Call for cost, information and conditions equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states. nmls consumer access. Dot, ORG number three, zero, three zero. Support for us will school comes from our friends at rocket mortgage by quicken loans home. Today is so much more than it was yesterday. But rocket mortgage home is still all about you. During these challenging times, the top priority at rocket mortgage is the health and safety the communities they start. If you need mortgage assistance. Their team is available, twenty, four seven to answer questions and offer solutions whether that means saving money on your mortgage were finding a new way to navigate payments from their homes. Yours the team at rocket mortgage with you. Visit rocket mortgage dot com slash hustle to learn more. Call for cost information and conditions equal housing lender licensed in all fifty states in MLS, consumer, access, Dot, org number three, zero, three zero. My name is Oliver as I am located in San Diego California my side. Hustle is over ACIS photography, and I was featured in a really early episode episode number nine. The way started with the side, hustles I always a visual person and I've always enjoyed the arts, and in doing the tiger free, since I was really young and over the years. When you're young, you're still learning photography and you start off in the days, and you don't have a job to pay the bill you basically just. kind of stopped, but then what happened with this particular side Hustle in college, a gained the reputation, being known as the guy with the camera, and in my senior year I got asked by a friend to photograph for wedding, and so I said yes. At that time. I didn't really know it didn't even start doing any waiting at that point, but I knew I was excited to try. and. When I kinda sat down, and excitement stopped the realization of all. My Gosh I'm a photograph. My friend's wedding and I've never done this before, so instead of calling my friends saying. Hey, I don't think I can do it. I decided to go with it and I made a post on craigslist, saying hey, I am starting autocracy and any writing the groom's that are looking for Harper, an inexpensive dog of her, and suppose it up on craigslist, and a couple of days later got a reply and bride and groom hired me really quickly off craigslist I still have the day job and I'm still loving. This stay job up to this point just celebrated my twelfth year employment with my current employer so I'm really happy with that, so I I am still a civil engineer and still loving it to this day sense being featured on the show, a lot of things said change in. With the weddings I've slightly increase my prices from the thirty five hundred one. I did the episode to just about a little bit over four thousand at this point, and that was primarily because I started getting a little bit more business, but then I also wanted to concentrate on other parts of the business, and so I thought okay. Let me raise my prices. Maybe they'll slow it down. It did slow it down to a point where I could start. Investing more time in other parts of the business, and so now I am dependent on what hat I'm wearing. I'm either still a wedding photographer, and that's usually primary marks through September, and then throughout the year I can either be doing commissions for landscape, and now with the newest thing with architecture. I'm slowly getting into trying to work with architects and engineers on photographing. Photographing their projects for anyone wanting to start their business, the most important aspect is know how to use camera because the thing is as photographers were basically trying to problem-solver, trying to capture an image given the conditions whether it's like conditions, weather and you are being paid to photograph that given whatever it is. I mean sometimes. It is going to be your call. Hey I cannot get that shot for you today because of a B and C and if you don't know to use your camera, you can't tell your client confidently that you can't make that happen. And you know lastly the best thing that anyone can ever do as the target for is just go out photograph every day. you know practice that skill set because there's always a lot of new technology and all the techniques. There was no one way to get an image. There's multiple routes to do it so always trying to keep fresh with your skill set, and understanding how things go and evolving I think that helps you start off in that business. Well, there are a lot of photographers out there a lot of them who are struggling trying to get their first clients and such. If. That's you if you know somebody, you want to go back and listen to Oliver's original story. If you missed it. Basically, he offered to do his first gigs to strangers on craigslist for a very low amount of money in that came to be after a friend of his. Ask Her to shoot his wedding and he you know, he said yes, of course then he realized I. Don't actually know how to shoot a wedding. Even though he was photographer had some photography skills, but he never done a wedding before, so that craigslist experiment then led him to an unexpected side Gig doing lots of weddings for thirty five hundred dollars when we first talked to him, and now as you heard up to four thousand dollars while continuing with his day job that he enjoys as an engineer. So, thanks for helping us out with this segment I will be doing these features throughout twenty twenty. Let me know what you think and you'd like to see featured next from our archives of more than one thousand stories. Twenty twenty is our interaction. If you have a question if you like to update us about your hustle, if you'd like me to shoot your wedding or perhaps, officiate your wedding whatever you're into, just respond to my out on craigslist about everything else come to US school dot com slash questions. Today's show notes are out of school dot com slash twelve fifty one. That's for episode one, thousand, two, hundred and fifty one. I'm so glad you're out there. Be sure to subscribe because so much more coming up. My name is Chris Calvo. This is side Hustle School. From the onward projects.

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Time Capsule Episode 142

Sci-Fi Talk Time Capsule

12:13 min | 3 months ago

Time Capsule Episode 142

"Hi this is time capsule episode one, Forty Two and I'm Tony Tomato. Highlighted the Justin Hartley. Gem Division I'm Michael Shanks of starting g one Palo. My name is Chris Donna Logan. This is rock, the s o'bannon creator of alienation and Farscape James then from desperate housewives and all star Superman. Hey, it's Greg Grunberg the mind reading cop on heroes an IMC three Po Human Cyborg relations. Name High Angel Kobe and I take one of it and then hi, this is billy boy I plead pippen and load up the rings and you're listening sci-fi talk long and prosper. Sorry Kinda missed a week there I've actually moved I moved from. Hoboken New Jersey to New York City, and that's where I'm living now. So released still settling in but everything looks great. Have a great apartment with my wife and were having a good time so far. Spotlight, today, we're doing something a little different. We're actually going to showcase different series and I think are worth watching for the sweeps period, which is all important TV ratings and I stop is Arrow and here is show runner Cuban. Heim who talks about the appeal of this series and who are they trying to reach the secret sauce of the show is appealing to the die hard fans as well as you know, the people who typically wouldn't watch a superhero show Ken Oliver Complete his mission alone you know he he came back from the island the always planned on you being this lone gunman which episodes called Lone, gunman, and He? Discovers whether or not that's true like aero the following his sophomore season and Joe Carroll comes back as in being played by James Pure finally. I think you know it's about humanity isn't it? It's about and humanity of comes in strange and different surprising guises. It's about. Have given the character sense of humor is a really big deal. Yes. So often humorless than not funny and if the not funny, then you don't rely. So you know giving him assault donate wait. If you if you laughing the character where the character. And then you see that character to do something appalling creates an interesting fiction in oneself. Especially, I try not shy away from the violence. Glamorize it. I when I do I feel slightly seek when I'm doing. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth that's as it should be because I. Know. I don't think I think when we're doing the violence on the show, we should be playing it for what it is, which is and rueful unpleasant gray. And I think if you shy away from, it is sort of doing violence a disservice. In a way. I finish shows on TV that I see and I don't believe a word violence while I don't believe that in a way what you're doing that is a niece. Of People. Saying it doesn't hurt. There's no consequence. I think people remained people get hurt in show. You really feel the pain in here. I'm actually in a way that's to company to really complicated conversation. This whole thing about lines television by do think. He going to show it, show it properly a be honest about it don't shy away from it. because the other way. And probably, the King of all the series right now that I watch religiously every week is the walking dead. And from New York comic con here's a couple of interviews with some key characters that I want to emphasize, and I is Dana Aguirre talks about her fellow cast mates on the walking dead. You know they just they they they've worked very hard to create amazing excellent products and so. They, they welcome you and and they they. Not about there's no ego because when you when you encounter artists are working at the top level, you know it's not about ego about the work and I love that type of environment and that's who they are, and as you know David David mentioned you know. So much of it comes from. From the top from actual Mandy Lincoln, you know I think having. Working with him. He has like a voyage beautiful pure energy. You know what I mean. It's like he can go back to just being a boy who just loves what he's doing. He's at play. You know what I mean and as an actor, you WanNa be a play like that and he brings that sort of energy and makes everybody just feel. just freshly an new you know focused and enjoying the work in front of the, there's a purity to the ensemble. An artistic purity that is and you don't find that everywhere. Really of course, she plays Michelle great character. And for Creator Robert, Kirkman, he enjoys it he has to series and his graphic novel. I got two babies. I have the comic book which I have complete control over and I can do whatever I want and you know I wake up in the morning and go I'm going to do this instead and then I do that and that's a lot of fun and then I have the television show where I work with an infinite number of extremely talented people and you have to be able to share and you have to be able to listen and you know to go into that writer's room with an Evan Reilly dimple Nicole beady and Angela Tang and Song Q. Kim and all the other writers that work on the show. And say. Something I wrote I was twenty four that I've forgotten is better than what you guys are coming in. I think that would be completely insane. So I, love you know working with those guys in crafting this television show together you know I i. Love that it's a group effort and everyone has their own ideas and their own things of to put into the mix, and that's how you get awesome characters. Link MMA shown I'm sorry she's from Merle. Daryl Dixon new elements that are thrown in that only exist in the show, a key relationship in this series as Andrew Lincoln's characters of Rick, grimes and Chandler Riggs, Carl, and their relationship is once more rocky this season. At New York Comic Con, we discussed a key moment in Karl's life that killing if Shane at the end of season two. Now. The funny thing is I. Think of two characters were gone through pollution both. Not only separately but as father and son this past season in both speak about that. Especially when it was like for you. To, kill. Your I. Know Somebody that you knew entrusted. Yeah, I mean. That was. My First Walker kill and it was. That night I listen to it. It was. Cold. Ever since. Is. Exactly. But it was it was I mean. I I don't even know I mean I'm I'm trying to remember it was just Too for me when all is so fast, you know it was just. We shot over and over and over again and what like Sixteen degrees like yeah, it was. Man I mean it was It was it was cool cool. I mean to to be able to. Change into a different character. That evolution from the kid season one you know that doesn't do anything dancer cries in up to. Having to. Kill one of his. One of his best friend you know. Nothing that's. Rites of passage. He's he's added. You know what I mean. It's my best friend my brother. And he saw he's seen his something has happened. and. That night. And, he takes him down. I mean if ever that was, you know the child became the man in that moment that. And I think that that's certainly what we wanted to do. I mean, that's one of the great joys of why what attracted me to the part in the first place is that it's about a man it's about everybody changing. Can't. By definition of the world that you can have it, you have to keep changing otherwise you die. You have to keep adapting to this world otherwise you die and I think it's a brutal world. And so parenting apocalypse is you know it's it's not the same way we would do. We don't have the IPADS ipod. Any distractions. Norman Reedus, and Executive Producer Gallon her talk about how Greg Nicotera designs and makes those walkers distinctive on the walking dead. You see the sick dying loss person behind the monster. So it's not like. It's actually a part of you that your heart breaks inside you know and it's His whole tone level. Each Saami make. There's a rationale who the person was how they died. They bitten where they scratched was our loved one was a not I mean and and I think that really makes the difference. It's not just a factory get someone in here will grow a few things on them. It really is each zombies a character just as much as the cast with some of. The people that played it snippy with a plate, Islamise comeback and play other zombies and you don't even recognize them at all I. Spent a lot of time on the walking dead here for good reason it's the best series on television and it really deserves you watching they've been up against some stiff competition but of more than held their own in their ratings. One more honorable mention should be helix SCIFIS powerful series takes more of an SF approach to walkers. If you might say and show runner Steven, Majeida talked to San Diego. Comic con about the series setting it's it could be a space station it could be a you know. A A spaceship even because the. Exterior so hostile, and so we're really trying to capitalize on that and stay within the boundaries of our base and make it impossible. What about the nature of the epidemic in general? Yeah. It's starts very small with this facility and so then when our team from the CDC gets up there they very quickly find out that it has the potential to go much farther than that. and. So their goal to try to keep it contained within the base and then try to keep it contained just just inside the base in general. So that doesn't get out and of course, there'll be all sorts of jeopardy to that and this is really the kind of thing this is it will seem to be any way world killer that it could get out and. If it were actually out in in somehow got to the general public, and so that is actually going to play as part of our story because there's one hundred. Hundred Twenty five people up at this face who a lot of them are going to want to get the hell out and you can't what do you do the idea cameron spill the basic idea was to take this and put it in a place that was number one kind of inaccessible, remote and. Desolate so that it was a hostile environment. And then also kind of out of the reach of international law and of national log of certain countries so that The what we? WANT WANNA set up pretty early is that the virus is not what it appears to be that it's not just at a local outbreak and there's much more going on underneath the surface have high hopes for Helix and fi needs a show like helix it really needs to kind of go up to the level of the walking dead I. Mean They are the satisfy China and they kind of. Have to get into the game a little bit. They're kind of looking on the outside right now, I mean I. Think we're GonNa see less shows like the warehouse thirteen's India Rica's which had a lighter tone to them I love those shows and they had their place time but people tend to gravitate now to darker a marginal matic shows walking dead case in point and also game of thrones to. and. That's time capsule episode one, Forty, two, this is Tony. Tomato. Thanks for listening. I'm the. Author of the return man you check out at the return DOT COM and you're listening to Sifi Talk.

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Ep 95: The Pumpkin Spice Episode

Hyperbrole: A Comedy Advice Podcast

49:37 min | 1 year ago

Ep 95: The Pumpkin Spice Episode

"He ran. How's it going fam- good Anthony Besides the fact that you keep calling me fam- how are things there. Great Fam- excited if these steph. And now that he's back from Greece. Hey guys in the studio hey Steph holy shit balls your sunburn. You look like an angry sunset. Yeah I forgot to put on sunscreen and fell asleep on the beach for nine hours for two weeks straight. Are you going to be okay. Yeah as long as I stay completely lately still. What's that? Oh I brought over some deviled eggs with extra cracked red pepper on some no. No no it's GonNa make me sneeze come on damn made a myself I said I'm fine. Just one hyperbole podcast brother and grand statements nominee to be taken literally was up seven. Hyper hyperbole wonderful all right hello everybody Ed. Welcome to hold on. I have to hold completely still. Hello everybody welcome to hyperbole. podcast a self help for the helpless. My name is Stephan and I am your reddest co host and my name is Anthony. I am not sunburned. My name is rand and and I don't into the sun I wish you would say my name is randy I'm tanned. That would've word that would have been better. It's okay you just be ran for this episode. Okay you guys switch all right all right okay here. Here's my rand impression. Hi My name's rant good. I was amazed listening to myself in a mirror. Yeah that's beautiful okay so way. Do you WanNa do Stephan impression. I don't know I don't want to offend the offend you. I'm just curious. I imagine that's exactly what I was expecting. Everybody Stafford that's pretty much. Yeah that's pretty close just loud and boisterous okay. Anyway but we're GONNA move on. We're treading on to the introductory Dr Segment and that is the quote of the week. The quote of the week showers us with inspiration to move and give us the courage to bring wisdom to all the stupid questions that are about to be asked so this week quote comes from inspire bought like all the other weeks basically and inspire is is an AI. Driven bought meant to squeeze life's Lemons and spray US citrusy wisdom all right rand you want to go ahead and read A. We have three so go ahead and read your favorite. Let's see here so this week. Quote from inspire is Karma is just a word on the road and then just fully paint the picture in the background. There's a there's a guy that looks like he's in a business suit with his hand held up like Karma Arma you're GonNa talk about Karma that's just the word on the road man. What the fuck even mean Anthony? Where you what were you? I'm GONNA say now I don't know I think it's just about It's just a word you know when he had run someone over 'cause they flip you off and you say the Karma's just a word on the road or maybe it's literal like Like when you see a slowdown for Crosswalk but it says says Karma. Maybe someone wrote car on a road. Somewhere the Karma's like It's just a word except when you're on the road then his only Karma on the road ray. I like that too. That's a good way of thinking of it here. I'm going to read. I'm GonNa read another one inspire but also says venomous snakes should have warning labels true. Get the FDA on that yeah they need to regulate snakes Eh Hashtag regularly. Thanks I was GONNA. I don't even know how that would work regular snakes. Snag snaggy leave. Yeah and they need to do it at scale but what. Uh it'll go down as the biggest regulation in his story but there might be a recall oil like snakes coil. It's anyway what was inspired by saying here. Oh Yeah it saying humans are so stupid that they don't even know that venomous snakes are venomous. Mus can't even read the labels that are already on snakes. Black and yellow fellow black and red always dead. Now remember that red and black poison lack black and blue than lose your shoe sweet sake. No it means you can play footsie's with it and you're okay. You might lose your shoe. What about what about Brown and Brown not in this town flavor town? Oh God that means you can eat need it. He's a yummy snake. They can eat them all. That's true you just can't stab yourself with fangs. While you're eating just don't eat their mouths. Don't use their fangs is toothpicks. Well actually you can even eat their poison. Glands you just can't get inject them into your blood their venom glands. Yeah sorry sorry. You cannot eat their poison. Glands you can eat their venom. Glands thank you for the correction fucking nervous horace. That's my nerd roar any anyway you guys feel like we have enough wisdom and inspiration. Listen to move on. No I'm GonNa read the third one. Someday everything will be beautiful until then laugh at the confusion and get get drunk. I'M NOT GONNA go into that one. I just want to read it. Yeah let's let's let that one resonate internally. Yeah okay okay all right well. Now that we're just packed with inspiration. Let's move on to the main segment and it's called the Beef and this is the meaty part of the podcast where we have questions from fans from the Internet. We talk about celebs. We have words. Words Issues Chock full of wisdom. It's it's also the part of the podcast. I Stephan struggles to come up with new ways to say the. I know it's been really hard. I was thinking of doing it like I don't know what's I don't. I'm running out of ways. I did that one like four episodes ago. That's Okay Stephane. Wait the peewee Herman approach thanks. Did either gotta keep creating or just stick with something. What if I did it like James Earle Jones. Yeah you could do that dog beef Simba. That's all okay anyway anyway. The first question is from a fan and his name's James Marvin he says. Hey Brothers we're going to have a bake off work and I wanted to make something that really tantalizes. Everyone's taste buds. I know the Pumpkin spice it so in right now. What's something that I can make with Pumpkin spice? That will win the bake off. Rub You what will win. That bake off. Oh One more thing. In case you're this is the first episode. You're listening to rub. W does not mean he is sexually pleasing US rub. You is for Metro either thirty three or something like that Well I mean he just by sending a question. We are sexually pleased so please guys send US questions. Palese police please. It makes us so happy. It's tantalizing oh I'm sorry but Rabin was from an episode. I was not in so that it's no longer your candidate. Yes it's it's more like a pistol. Yeah dammit yeah well I like an blunderbuss it's no longer it's not cannon it's Mariah Carey 'cause she nick cannon went separate ways How Nick Cannon Mariah Carey were married but then they got divorced really Hanan Fat? Yes exactly you know when I I've heard of it Preserving foods his cannon shit that took a really really long time Jesus Christ all I got to dance. This question probably made it. Just fucking Pumpkins Dude. I don't know I can't really copy this because it's not your thing but I had shoutout to fuck in donuts around the world but not even a fuck in place of business no no no no crispy cream. They had a Pumpkin donut. Dona Ana like filled it with like Pumpkin ges. Yeah Dude and it was so fucking good I made it was like we have to go and I was like I don't oh now and then we went again. It was the fucking the greatest thing I've ever eaten really the greatest thing you've ever eaten. It was like top twenty. Probably Wait Shit. It was pretty fucking now. Okay it's in the top ten pumpkin things. I'm reading because ten out of Hokey. The way down finished I said ten of the top twenty things. I'm eating probably pumpkin related. So are you saying. Are you a basic bitch dude. Pumpkins fucking on your pumpkin soup or like not. Oh Yeah Hopkin Ravioli. Holy Fuck okay. It's delicious you're actually making a good point. Okay all right all right. It's a versatile delicious food but but it's Okay Pumpkin Ravioli. Yes but pumpkin bread and Pumpkin donuts. How much Pumpkin is actually in there? Besides the name in I know Ramsey method after all spice spice has nothing to do with Pumpkins. Like it's like cinnamon and nutmeg. Like yeah a kind of a misnomer kit. And it's all the spices that you would normally put with bumpkins spice four pumpkins. But that's just too long to you say like old instead of Pumpkin Spice Latte to okay. Here's your `Grande ice things that you would put with Pumpkin Latte in your Bumpkin Ensemble. Yeah Yeah you're harvest kits by RAG. Pumpkin adjacent okay. Okay so so pump gets so you're saying pumpkin spice doughnuts. Yeah the fucking good. I don't know how the fuck you would make a pump. It's like Pumpkin need amazingness doughnut. or I guess it's not actually pumpkin because it's Pumpkin Spice Pumpkin. Jason donut filled with Pumpkin adjacent recent cream. Okay God's got it but the originality is GonNa Count for nothing here. Yeah it's true. They're I'm GonNa like Oh copycat. Flip it out flip it inside out and just just poor cream filling all over regular donut. What about a Pumpkin Strudel That sounds pretty good or bad holes and have have a dipping sauce. Oh that's true or what about of Thompkin. CANNOLI that's hard. That's hard to prepare for Bak- fucking CANNOLI. Well singular is can Olo. If we're going to be honest really yes no. It's not canola. Who the fuck is ever said? The word canola have and your everybody listening. Everybody listening is they're gonNA use that knowledge and going forward. They're going to buy all have one CONSOLO. Please Lee's body you'll be with fucker you're talking about. Yeah that still balkan-style baby so yeah anyway let show still on. I don't know Dude Buddies Fi. I feel like buddy has completely taken advantage of his fame. He's he's opened up multiple places across the United States. He's doubled the markup of his price and and just sold shit in supermarkets. It's we stood in line in hoboken for about an hour and then we actually got there and I think he's just been out of his kitchen for so along that it just tastes like crumbly Shit. Oh Bogan style baby. I had the one The second second one he opened up. I can't remember where. Oh the one is is in Jersey Like low KRESA Anthony and I went there to Westfield. Yeah Yeah Man I thought it was good. I was like wow cupcake I gotta can only from there and it was good. Oh you got it I got alot singular can only from there and it was. Oh you gotTa Canola. Don't mess with me on this. But Hey in Westfield it is better than hoboken I will say drew. Yeah Anyway. He's also WANNA baking competition show in Brazil. This guy buddy. He knows what he's doing but he just said is food sucks. What are you know his his pacers but he's making money money? It doesn't give a shit people aren't GonNa Complain. The people dude. He's he's got it down because you wait an hour and line you think you're going to be like our Lord and it sucked. No you're going to post that shoot on instagram. And you're like best fucking canola. Oh I've they've ever had hoboken style baby and then you're gonna go by July life that's it. Yes still hoboken style. If you're in Westfield that's the rules you actually get fifty cents off if you say even in Las Vegas Hobo missile baby. That might be the fucking stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life by the way I what intern hoboken yeah cried. Do you think somebody's stabbed somebody and takes their money and they're like that's so balkan-style baby even showed up a lot in in the Sopranos Book. I think I'm GonNa end this with. That's hoboken style. Okay thank you anyway. I'm going to say going back to things to to bake. I think you hit on something Anthony with the Pumpkin can Ravioli. Why not a Pumpkin Spaghetti? Yeah Bake Pumpkins Spaghetti. There'll be thinking like yeah like I'm going to pumpkin cookies easily win. Oh some shit. When you're like bake off? I'm making a baked spaghetti here. There was going to be like. Wow My god. What about a big derive spaghetti noodles? Wait wait wait. Baked Pumpkin LASAGNA. I guess that is asked. Lakes can't give you shit for that. Yes there you go well yeah all right yeah bagels. Yeah fucking confused. The Schilling was Pleasantville. So saver in here and you could silent Karol it in their face steal their money. I could stab up and take the money hoboken Pumpkin spice capital of the world. I don't know if you need that fun fact capital of Pumpkin spice and robbings. 'cause that's a word. Robbings robbings robbing Hud. Played Batman and Robin actually kind of works. So it's like a British version Korean. knockoff okay any any. We've got two things. So far he do. He's Don he's got he's nailed at hoboken style. Ram Route so which part would be the pumpkin though and LASAGNA. Just fucking everything. Make everything in Lasagna. Either Pumpkin or Pumpkin adjacent. It's fucking Pumpkin. Sauce used canned pumpkin for the size. US Fuck in Nutmeg and Cardamom for the fucking quake known CARDAMOM Carlsbad Cardin. Yeah gotTA GRANDMA Lovely Okay Rand. What's something you suggest for this man to be Pumpkin spice. I don't know I'm liking this idea of the of the pumpkin spice the LASAGNA. I WanNa try that now. It would be good. Added a make a makes them like Jack Lanterns. So you're saying make Pumpkin Spice Pumpkins. Yes by the Loma like makes them like Pumpkin bread and Phil Jacqueline with the Pumpkin bread. All My fucking God. That sounds so awesome just like a bowl bread. I have a question guys what cannot what is not good. That's Pumpkin. I duNNo. Nothing Acre never tasted anything. Not good that Pumpkin. I can't think murder. Yeah I mean. I don't know if I would eat murder. That would be preferable to this regular murderer though like. I think it's a step up. Yeah Yeah Oh hell yeah if there there was like this guy was brutally murdered like oh no but if it was like he was brutally pumpkin spice murdered. I'd be like Oh okay. That's the what's finals finals. Early against them Jacqueline on US but some pumpkin spice racism against but yeah pumpkin spice racism. 's It just feels like it's like they're trying to take all the pumpkin spice and that's just not okay said or yes. I don't know I'm trying to think of a different way to play that but I think I think that's like the ultimate evil as a as a someone or a group of someone's trying take take all the pumpkin spice for themselves. What if you had pumpkin spies that were trying to steal the PUMPKIN spice coming September? ABC begins swear like fucking orange and Brown like mortier. You out of your Gourd. We can't go in there aren't like Oh okay soon to TV network near you. PUMPKIN spies Guys that's we should do that. Who ooh okay? So anything. Basically anything he can make even pumpkin murder Pumpkin. Oh Yeah Pumpkin. Pumpkin murder he would kill that competition. Okay I think that's good anything else. Nestle's all right. Our next segment is it is CELEB- advice. CELEBS may seem like the near perfect examples of human beings and they are but they get into pickle sometimes too which is why we dedicate a full segment of our show to give them even more attention. It's time for CELEB- advice so this this article is brought to us by. TMZ You're doing God's work TMZ thank you And rant is GonNa read. It sounds good so breakfast by. TMZ Bill Maher saying fetched shaming needs to make a comeback mark makes the obese. People need a little fat taming data in order to save their lives. Bill launched on his. HBO Show Real Time With Bill. Maher what bill launched is that like a ster- gyms like launch like getting angry. Yeah bill launched on. HBO Show Real Time With Bill. Maher DR JEERING AT LIBERALS WHO have made criticism overweight taboo. He scoffs at the Democratic candidates who are fighting for health care coverage for people with preexisting conditions nations when he says the most serious pre existing condition is obesity in. It's not only overlooked by the candidates. Raising this subject is considered bullying Margo Zahn saying we like astles in the US right chicken on a sandwich adding bacon and other ridiculous things until the gluttony will make make my mouth come in quotes. Bill doesn't stop there. He knows that the number of shooting deaths pale by comparison to deaths S. and illness triggered by obesity calling liberals who shunned fetching. NRA mayonnaise can be man as NRA array. There's more he says being fat is not a birth defect. It's citing the New York Times which reports poor diet is the leading cause of mortality He even takes a shot at weight watchers for being afraid to criticize people who tip the scales too hard. What did they should yeah? Nra Man as that sounds like that sounds like it. Sounds like the dinner you have before you kill yourself. Oh Oh you're like oh I just ate a whole jar of mayonnaise. Knee blow your brains out. Oh that's disgusting. who used to hold unless it was pumpkin man? Did you see that video going around with that lady. This this lady broke the world record for eating Menes omitted or something you can watch it on video. She's dislike slamming mayonnaise. Y Why is there record for that. Why do does she get like who knows down? I'm a big spatula and just like Dude I could. I could probably up her time a little bit later on you. You know maybe fry for his dude. I don't have I don't have the athleticism I can't I don't have the the jails for that dude. I need had bigger GEL. I don't think Jowell's healthy gels are just aesthetic piece said by someone who doesn't have gals come on Steph and don't jail Anthony. Yeah you don't fucking know anything about gels right you don't have jowls either. You can shake him around and they kind of like they kind of Shimmy. The food down your throat a little better no. That's not true at all. You kind of go limits on falls down your throat. No no no no. Don't do anything for knocking down your throat. If you had jowl flaps flaps closed the Science Stephan show me the science gels or on the outside and they're almost attached to your jaw line so they're not going to touch the food. Yep Yep no the weight of your jowls hold your throat open. No it doesn't because your jails are connected to your sheiks the cheeks you have jowls go all the way around man you try hard enough no show me jowls that do that and I will show you an embarrassment Stephan how he spelled shells. You don't even know how to spell it and you're already saying what what you're saying. Oh jowls will loosen your esophagus and just I'm just right down right down. No you're you're wrong yeah I'll Manley Those jails stop. Stop saying jowls. I'm just looking at Google images of jowls and awesome yet is kind of on the Chans if you're full of Shit it's like having a Chin having extra chins on the sides of your face. Yeah on the sides not connected to your off order low. The Asaf against it helps lowered the jaw to Alligators have too strong of John Muscles. So that when they when they closed closed their mouth. It's really strong. We'll open it. It's harder it helps you. Open your mouth overcoming. The strength of those journals. No No. It's out working. We know it's not the pushes are well. Stephan apparently doesn't understand jealous but we can move on Okay okay so anyway. What do you think we should do for advice for bill? Maher Mar the ANINI. Stop having a dumb show. I do Kinda feel like. He's the Shakespeare of our time. Though the pudding fried chicken on a sandwich adding Bacon and other ridiculous things until the gluttony quote. Make my mouth COM com. Stephanie just not WanNa Mar his name it just makes me want to eat Maher Mar.. I'm done with Doe Maar. Yeah he'd be a good lawyer because the bills Mar and Oh my God I was just going to say I love how we went to this after. We just talked for about thirty minutes on on different things to eat that have pumpkin. Yes the natural progression. Yeah I I think someone said to grant said Pumpkin mayonnaise. It's all related or has it. I'm getting men as someone said be down I did I. Yeah that was me. They're only two other there's only one other person somewhat someone else must have. Somebody said all right well okay. NRA manage it's the AMMO for your sandwich. fucking okay so fuck man. We're going to sell that Shit Guns on them skulls and flames shit like people buy up hard core mayonnaise. Manny's Eh put a fucking beard on the can with an eye patch like can of mayonnaise carbonated crack it. Open the jury get you crack crack the top and then it starts to spill out like lava from a volcano. Oh anyway and the man is what else is going to spill like lava from a volcano money. Because you're gonNA hear a word from our sponsor. Hey Stephanie here have you ever thought about making a podcast. It may seem complicated. But anchor makes it easy. Let me explain. It's free. That means you don't have to spend any of your hard-earned Cheddar Cheddar. To get your voice out to the world. It's easy there are creation tools. That allow you to record. Edit your podcast from your phone or computer Ankara. Also distribute your podcast for you so it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts. And so much more you can also make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast. Just one place. So what are you waiting for. Download the free anchor APP or go to anchor dot. FM to get started. Hey guys this is Scott Albert and Marc from the two and a half Amigos. We're just hanging hanging out talking about random thoughts stolen gold medals bugs off his nightmares and today's blunders. If these are topics that you would listen to check us out at two and a HALF AMIGOS DOT COM and welcome back questioned to Anthony Wanna read question too so our second question roommate spending an hour our in bathroom. Sometimes what do I do for some special grooming things but that is not reasonable to hog the one bathroom for one whole hour. I wasted almost an hour of waiting to use it yesterday evening. He says he needs to do it. It and basically won't not do it. He said why. Don't you use the bathroom in the other floor. But I said had I cannot as all my shit that I need is in the bathroom. He has hogging. I said so very kindly and he said well I. I don't know what to do as there is nowhere else to do. This very stressed out. I'm not sure what is a reasonable thing due to expect of him sincerely bathroom blues. Could you have given me a harder fucking question to read. Geez all my God did you read more like a jackass snow. Mike how do you not read like a jackass. The Guy can't fucking he's not he's no ernest fucking hemingway. I say having never read a single hemingway. I'm great okay. So this guy our person is trying to do special grooming things. Well no no. He's not his. His roommate is doing special thing. It's not all of them. The some I got a real suggested for him. Oh go ahead You get a break the lock on your bathroom door. Like don't like yeah. You know tape tape the bolt closed or something so it can't be locked and then a year then just walk in and be like man man like sorry I gotta brush my teeth and Shit. I don't know what you're what you're doing in here but I gotta use the bathroom. You know like yeah that'd be like Oh your bed into the bathroom you know what you should do. Yeah you're right you should just shake your head until your jowls. Just knock the the door down and then with this this manage lady wrestles question. What why do they have jowls? Well because everyone has jowell's it's the it's the new in jails are in in the new black anthony. It's it's time to Hashtag Jowl at the moon cause we're all daddy. I'm self conscious about my body. Can you pay for me to get through JAP God anyway but at the end jowls people are getting pajau old. God God dude. I don't know what the fuck just just take a shit in his room like kids. Do your shed to the bathroom. So you don't have to wait an hour to use it. There's in the other floor or if you WANNA be really aggressive move. His stuffed under the other bathroom. Uh or guest. That's actually going to. Yeah so then. He's like Oh no must've it's all. We know the bathroom. Well you gotta go the other bathroom the hour in the bathroom every day probably a lot. Yeah I I like I was roommate. Is Russell brand stuff I I would go bonkers if my roommate was in the bathroom for an hour just singing like I don't think he can sing that. Are you saying because of the notes are you saying because of copyright infringement. I'll just you know. I meant copyright infringement Frenchman out. Thank you okay anyway. Yeah so what was our answer. move his stuff down as probably the most reasonable get his stuff out of that bathroom then a bit. We're the where's my stuff and you'd be like I don't know maybe it's the other bathroom. And then like when he goes look for it. Get in the bathroom and lock it and stay in there for like three. We hours to sing the coon just grooming dislike being here or is inconvenient for us it's like really inconvenient for you. That's a really good idea. I love that idea that is vengeance in an idea. Stay in the bathroom all day camp out and then when he's like oh I need to go sorry do my special grooming and unlocked the other bathroom downstairs to just so he knows how the lock everybody in the apartment out of that bathroom. Lock all the doors actually kick him out logging his own own room. Yes yes and and that's all I can think of locking locker room we're done throw away the key. Kill your roommate okay. That's what you're saying. Okay a word of the week. This is our next segment and it's just to make you smarter the word this week is droop. Snoot it's a downward award sloping nose of an aircraft or motor vehicle especially one that is a variable pitch giving an efficient aerodynamic profile. And there you go. There's the word you can use in your everyday vernacular drew you say that. Watch out for the droop. SNOOT that's going to kill us all not a fucking dragon airplane airplane even airplane is coming for you. It's probably GonNa kill you fair all right so I see a bull. terrier has a droop snoot. Yeah that's actually what I was trying to think of something with a smooth xactly correct off thing I feel like male genitalia when flaccid is kind of like a droop. SNOOT definitely man. I remember when I was in like like fifths fifth or sixth grade whenever they like the puberty video for the first time and Somebody came out. I might even you anthony. That told me this but somebody said the the diagram that they showed like like if squidward knows was upside down. Oh so fine to me. I don't remember it saying that but I hope I did up all right moving on to question three rand. Please read question three for us. Absolutely I know Anthony has truth. This many Kennison. That's a lot of words now. I just have trouble. The bad writers are this one looks a little bit better than the last one. Don't don't make him feel better. The question three. I threw a party and now my housemate's hate me. I'm in college and living with four of my close friends last week. The went on a trip trip together and they didn't ask me to go when I asked them about it later. They said I didn't ask to go. So that's why they didn't invite me anyway when I saw them out and having fun together on a road trip I got really sad. I was about to have as already about friends over at our house that night but let it get really big and it turned turned it into a big house party now. Of course they're really pissed and I'm worried. Things are never going to be the same again. I just need help because I feel so guilty and anxious but at the same time I did feel feel really left out. I've been nothing but apologetic about the whole situation. But now they want to group facetime and confront me about it. I'm scared to face four people who were pissed at me all yelling at me. What can I do to make this better sincerely room for improvement? What they're yelling fuck them? They didn't value on the road trip. That's they're all bad friend. I'm not understand what's happening here. Like they came back and then you had the party or give the party while they or away and then they're kind of face time you think you saying I don't fucking get fucked down there. They even know you know what yeah watching you got camera. You know the details that he probably left out the guy they were trying to give advice and help to is he probably left out the fact that he you threw a party and then left it a fucking mess and then they came back. Oh is there a party and like yeah. You WanNa help me clean up. 'cause you were part of this household to math Dan by fuck all of them. Yeah right fair closer friends are they. I think that's fair because then going on a road trip and they didn't ask you to go and then you're like you actually confronted them and we're like hey kind of feel I feel shitty that I wasn't allowed to go and they're like oh well you never asked that. I don't think they're actually friends with you. How would you be if you went to a bank? And they're like well. I'm sorry we're not going to give you a million dollars and you're like well. Why were you just? Don't know these things right right on the money I know and then I feel that if you do ask you feel like a Dick Right you can come along appeases and you feel yeah. It's like you don't ask to go like you. Just feel like a nigger you please please fucking Deeb asking road trend road trips or spontaneous and yet no one ever asks six their only asked if he asked you pencil neck Dork. Yeah you sound like a total droop. snoot yeah like a fucking bull terrier. Actually that's Kinda cool. I'd want to be a bull terrier. Yeah that's actually dogs. I would take your like chance from fucking that movie home alone now home home. We're now on our bounce. Thank you a ban athlon. Also they're all GonNa facetime you. Why did you wait in person? What a bunch of dorks? What a bunch of passive aggressive fucking? Mammy panty door Meet you the game is said to your face. Ebbs it to your face time. Well face time it's time for your race. It's like the face time continuum. Yes all right as right now I still I I. I'm not gotTA change my position. Fuck all as people the sound like dicks wait. So what is it but his question is what can I do to make this better Grow some nuts and tell them to go fuck themselves. That's now you think that's GonNa GonNA help him. Yeah he'll feel better see we're not even we're not even considering this could be as she to. We're just assuming this pro. Yeah could be a goral wait. I didn't I think did we give gender device now but we use the Pronoun He. Oh Yeah we did yes. microaggressions use use sexist. So yes they should fuck in. I don't know take a shit in each of the rooms individually that will make it better. Yeah I mean you'll feel better because you won't be snivelling. Sorry no you'll you'll have pride you'd like. Yeah Fuck those people. They're all all decks and I don't need their approval. I got a great idea home way we read the Red Wave Ran. Hold on hold on. Hold that idea idea for just a second. I WANNA go back to Anthony's idea of sheeting on all of their best. How not to take away from Anthony's idea? No no no no but but also how. How much shit do you have in? Your body is four four. You'RE GONNA shoot in four different beds you've got I mean. How long are they in a road trip for? I mean you've got the bid days. Yeah like I assume from their facetime you because they're still on the road trip. Just eat a just gets. Just eat like four triple A.. BURRITOS and you'll have no problem. Oh God no aw make plastic bags for you can just store at one for a day or two keeps them to pile up as needed. Yeah up the reason to your friends alike you bags of shit in the freezer would. I'm good I'm trying to keep a cool man. Otherwise it can belt smells like shit. Otherwise while they're like Oh thank God. We didn't invite them Thakin in guy or girl that always puts it in the freezer. I did actually have a roommate. who had kept a stool sample briefly in the fridge? Oh remember that you're like God do to why. Oh that's actually pretty gross. I talk about moves. Oh Oh yeah you wouldn't confuse use it for that corn not food. Did he write right. That is not him. He's trying to trick me. I thought so am I. Don't yet to Shit on other beds. My my idea you you just talked to him and Ula Grit your teeth. You talk to them right and then like he just looks very sorry and then like one day find out when you're are all gonna be home. Hire a guy to break into your house with a gun then you can like pulse him pull some sweet you know here roic move out. Then they'll be like oh Magoo dude thank you so much. I'm so glad you're living here like you'll be so grateful for they'll just completely forget about the fact that you trust the house. That's actually not in Alabama. Actually I I like that one. That's good real advice but what you gotTa do to make it realistic. You got to have have the guy actually stabbed one of them so make him stab the guy. You don't like the the like you don't like the one that you liked the most just so you throw away all emotions the one you're like. Oh that guy's actually pretty cool have him stab him all now. It doesn't Look Stage two now because of the Stab Rick than you're going to be like. Oh fuck like Celtic now. Yeah but if stabs Jimmy they'll be like oh he would never wanna Stab Jimmy. Exactly he'll point rick and Jimmy. What are the other names of other friends Anthony Well ongoing like white dude named already said Jimmy. I was GONNA say Jim just another again and James. Let's just go just just variants of the Warriors James and Rick then Rick Rick is his middle name his first name's actually Jim. He's Rick James. The Shit okay. I think I'm done I'm done I'll squeeze out I'm pooped uh-huh yeah put that in the fridge down all right. 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NFL Training Camp News & Notes, Gerald McCoy, Dez Bryant, Hard Knocks Recap

"GM. Shuffle is presented by draftkings the leader in daily. Fantasy. Sports. All right. We're GONNA talk about Gerald McCoy. We're GONNA talk about Joe Judge got plenty of football talk Lamar Jackson Dez Bryant. There's a whole lot of football conversation plus I went to see Frank Sinatra's hometown at his birthplace in Hoboken New Jersey. But here's what we're going to begin the NBA playoffs. How about Dame Lillard the blazers knock off the Lakers last night big upset in game one and how `Bout Mom Hens Philadelphia Seventy sixers. That's right. Michael Lombardi case you know is a die hard fan of the up seventy sixers. And Joel Embiid with this performance in Game One listened Boston wins the game and embiid did not score the final eleven minutes and forty six seconds. He said afterwards I got to be better well yeah. No kidding. He had literally one assist in game five turnovers as well and be was a guy who clearly a Melissa. Espn Mike the first thing that says the Celtics will attempt once again to wear down six or star Joel embiid this is a guy it was the leading scorer and rebounder with twenty six and sixteen but. After that game one defeat how head-scratching dwelling beat the fact he'd disappeared late in the game, you know the hardest thing for me in life is I love the seventy sixers and everything that I'm about as as a management and coaching, and I truly believe to the core of who I am and you can call me Bella check in I take a and if you do I, take that with great pry. Everything that I believe in embiid's the opposite of and it makes it. So frigging hard to root for the team. It makes it so hard for me to do it because I everything starts with being the best and every time I watch him beat I think of the Bronx, Tale. I think of just wasted talent right and so I wrote this column the other day for the daily coach about underachievers and I think people truly don't understand what an underachiever is. Right. So it's this. We see this great talent right and and and the media goes all Jolie. He's the best player on the court. They got the best player you know. Okay Great. Well, he doesn't work hard and he doesn't compete all the time. So how is he the? Best Player on the team he under achieves at every instance, his conditioning is atrocious I mean it's beyond and so again, why do you think he doesn't score in the fourth quarter? Why do you think he goes eleven minutes without the basket without making a basket? Qazis, fucking tired. He's exhausted. He needs a blood transfusion at halftime because he's Abbas shaped like if somebody would write that crap if somebody would attack them and they do Barclay attacks them shack attacks. And everybody says, well, he's talented. He's talented and I recommend watching the Bronx Tale seriously. There's nothing worse than wasted talent like and I can make this prediction here as painful. It is. They will never win. They won't reach conference final with Joel. EMBIID on the team they will never do it. There's no chance in fact, it's so bad for me. Now I don't even get worked up I'm indifferent to it. And I love what I love is. I love his quotes the next day to do better oh. Really well, last year you were crying with your girlfriend saying you're going to do better how bring pitcher up I told somebody high ranking in the seventy sixers If I if I was GM of the sixers. Taking that picture of him, kissing his girlfriend and crying after Toronto game and I would a placid that son of a bitch all over the walls of the building because if it means this much to you get your fat ass in here and stop being Chubby, you can take a lot in life right? You can take certain frustrations you can take setbacks but if you're a professional athlete and the guys in tiptop conditioning that is incredibly frustrating. People say well, it's a tough thing. Yeah I get. I'd like to lose twenty pounds to a professional athlete. I don't have trainers I don't have. Chefs around me like the fact that that's the issue for embiid when I look at the stat line, Mike, There's a big thing. It's so deceiving because you can in he put a twenty six and sixteen more. Do you want but one assist versus a game-high five turnovers and most importantly as you said, he did nothing when it mattered most like he's scored early in the down and that's just fatigued because of what a lack of conditioning. strating and everybody covers up for him. I mean he I wanna be able to my next book. Not Not. Already raining the next book, but the book after that is going to be how the how the media creates stars no matter and they overlook everything. So they never get to the root of the problem they see but they never observe the they don't understand the root of the problem and I'm not attacking the media but at some point call call it now I know he's a great quote and I know he's friendly and you've got to cover the team. But at some point quick blame Brett Brown who's trying to maneuver this. Thing that guys best friends with the one of the owners, right so he's got complete autonomy to do whatever he wants. You know he behaves in different ways and so you know he he does it really ever get in shape. Oh I'm in the best shape of my life literally your half exhausted by his first quarter production to his fourth quarter production. I mean seriously look at that you know and so I just to me, there's like two three things that are just before we get into football that I hit the other one ad is. Is College. Football. Look wrote a column for the Athletic I'm not sure there's a right answer, but the more we keep digging into this and you can share. Your experience from baseball, but the more we dig into this and the more I see the behavior of college kids on their college campuses. I have a hard time understanding why we're not having college football. Yeah. Listen I was looking the other day the major league stats all had the Marlins had that outbreak Oh man I'm like and I got it. Yeah cartilage. Yeah, of course. I mean, listen these guys are asymptomatic. Is it concerned? Of course, baseball's to the right thing guy test positive? You shut down you postpone a couple games you make up doubleheaders you make it work in an overall the numbers. Mike. Seen the summer derosa point two percent of the guys tested positive. Would you shut down anything in life because a point two percent? Would you shut down a manufacturing plant is a point two percent? No, you wouldn't, and it's like in the case of college football I understand the big ten. PAC twelve, we're trusting those doctors who told them listen? This is too risky, etc. But I think in many ways the more I look at the situation the fact that big twelve, the ACC the SEC's it. Okay. Let's not just follow suit. Let's look at what our doctors saying and look at the health risks, and here's the point that I do think is excellent, which is this college athletes college personnel left to their own devices. There's nothing going on dude you're GONNA get after it. Let's go have a few drinks. Do you think they're gonNA quarantine for four months with no stool or do you think they have a better chance if they're playing football and their coach whether it's Nick Sabin or whomever is saying listen here's what you're accountable for for every single part of the day understand there's no time to waste be screwing around doing other things. We're going to keep you away from this virus as best as possible. Here are very strict protocols I mean I. Remember talking fair extracurricular activities should help a student athlete. So thereby wouldn't playing football a player reasoning motivation and incentive to not get sick I. Mean Look think about this. This is by borrowing somebody told me this today and it's just blew my mind. They're going to have high school football in the state of Ohio. The University of Cincinnati is going to have football. The Cincinnati Bengals and the Cleveland browns will be playing football in the state of Ohio and yet the Ohio state. The most important football program in the state is not playing football. Think about that. The most important program in the state decides not to play football. For reasons, they won't give for reasons they won't give and look I wrote the column but I'm with you extracurricular activity like if I were a parent and I had a young man, I want him to be under some kind of supervision left to left to their own devices. Now, these kids at North Carolina can blame the school they want but they're the ones who are the ones hanging out I mean we see it around Ocean city all the time I mean you know you can't these kids think. They think they're vulnerable to this disease like seriously. So now you give them more time with nothing to do that seems to me like a recipe to be a disaster, trust me with my four boys the other two I was so grateful we got Summer Baseball here in New Jersey. My other son's able to go taekwondo class where wearing masks were social distancing were not high five be smart all the protocols, of course. We're all taking this seriously but to wipe something entirely away I just used frustrating speaking of being wiped away. Let's dive in football here. Shall We Ryan Fitzpatrick according to the Athletics Josh Tolentino Fitzpatrick's The guy fits magic. He's expected to be the dolphins week. One. Star. When they faced England in the regular season opener, the club continues to take a cautious approach with their prized rookie i. only this is a shock, Mike. Listen people and Dolphins. I'm sure they want to right away but you let Fitzpatrick Star and then let to come in at some point but your reaction to the fact that probably going to be official to be sitting to start the season I mean he has to sit here and take it any hits the Games moving at lightning speed right now down there for him and and I don't think you can truly. Evaluate them until you until he's had some, I think what we've seen so far in the little bit of football that we've had is we've seen that these offseason programs not being around really hurt a lot of players. It hurts physically I mean because look the reality of it is worth seeing a lot of injuries without having preseason games. We could talk all we want about how preseason games are just injuries I know this When I would walk out the practice for training camp, I would hold my breath because I was scared to death of the injuries. And yet when we had practice during the season, I, was never worried about injuries. I never worried about you know we still we have sixty five guys you know practicing you know now you while these say well, there's only eighty guys no, no, no no. No. Literally eighties enough players to have a practice with right because the last ten or the ones that get everybody else hurt from eighty one, the ninety most of those guys are not good enough and they're on the ground and they. Get somebody hurt so it isn't because the roster's got reduced it's because we haven't had it off season again, it goes back to Ohio state. If you don't have some of these guys, it off-season programs where they're training their body getting their body ready to fight you know like it's boxers right? You can't have a you can't fight a fight without sparring. You can't get ready to play football unless you do football drills and I think we're seeing a rash of injuries up and you know. What happens Gerald. McCoy. Hyper extended his knee while could happen on any plate. Yeah. It could. He started two years old I think that's the other key teams that are old teams that are old and they go old camp. They're not going to be really good come November December. Let's go back to Joe quite talk further about that because people are not going to crush the cowboys rents. Other cut McCoy but that's a situation where listen health is a permanent importance if he can't go, you can't go right right. So you're only allowed. So it's ridiculous and this again is completely a bad story, right? So they cut your McCoy. No, they really didn't. All they did is they they needed to remove them from their eighty man roster so when they wave him They remove him from there. Eighty man roster they waived him designated injured. No one's going to touch them. So he goes, and now he goes on there I are list. So it's a procedural move. It's all it is a procedural move, but everybody is so anxious for I got break this story I want to increase my twitter followers by ten people. So I break the the cowboys cut journal McCoy, and of course, you read the geniuses how cold is seriously stop right? Like they did it so that they could add a player to their team and still hang on the McCoy. So McCoy goes to their I are he doesn't count as one of their eighty players in camp. And they can add another player. So they cut McCoy, they go down to seventy nine nothing happens to McCoy's life. He stole earns game checks he still gets his rehab he still procedural move you know and so that's why they needed to do that and people don't understand it. They just start all that's cold. How could they be so cold? It's like get the story I get understand what's going on in tears interested in what's going on how about the story involving the chargers here as well by the we're going to talk about hard knocks a little bit later on two episodes. Now on the books for the chargers avoiding distraction, they reached some the pro bowl defensive ends this month and now boasts is supporting. Melvin. Ingram. WHO's sitting out over his contract he attended the team's second padded practice of training camp Tuesday in Costa Mesa but again did not participate in drills. Bosa said we've talked a little bit. I. Have to say I'm going to support him. He's going to make the best decision. For Him and his family I have faith in him. He's GonNa make the right decision entering the final season of a four year sixty, four, million dollar deal ingram now dissatisfied the deal because of what? Bosa just received were at thirty one, he can become an unrestricted free agent next year charters up several other pending big-name free agents. We know Mike Klis when it comes to guys at the thirty plus right running backs, you're not going to get paid the way you want to Ingram frustrated. What do you think you know look I don't know what Thom Tillis goes thinking. I mean to me if I've got a player who's in camp but he's not doing. Anything. Then what's he doing here in camp like at some point now I've opened the door up to everybody else to to say, okay, I'm going to have a protest within a team like how does this work right? So like I get, Ingram's underpaid get Ingram's GonNa be a free agent, but also Ingram signed a you know he's got another year now are they engaging in deal to to extend him out if they are and they've given him obviously that given him some form of permission to do this because this just alienates the team I mean this separates the team from. Okay. If I want a new contract I'll come I won't get fined because if I hold out I'm, GonNa, get fined. So I don't want to get fired I to lose that money, but I'm going to come in. I'm going to hold out anyway you know that's subversive from within right? That's as Bill parcells once said, you know that's communistic subversive from within and so you can't have that. So I don't know how they're going to do it. I mean, look the the they need ingram to play at a high level. They need both of the play at a high level, their two of their best players last year they didn't play to the level especially on third down when this defense didn't play anywhere near what it would be so. I mean for me if I'm Lesko I'm either there's either got to be some kind of written agreement. I would be scared to death about the rest of my football team at deficits a bad precedent the guys there. But he's not actually practicing. You're just hanging out. Yeah. I'M NOT GONNA play but I'm here guys. You see you know what? What is this? Love Boat I mean is this love boat we're going to have the skipper come in I mean gas Gavin Macleod coming in we're going to get the bartender Ted's going to feed it. I mean seriously what does this love bowed? We got happy hour at four thirty GONNA play a little shuffleboard seriously like what are we doing here and have a Boeskov? What else are you going to say team was actually I don't support I think it's bullshit that he's not actually play I. Think he should. GET, out. Here. Practicing. Properly. Dez Bryant Free Agent Wide Receiver reportedly in the Baltimore area for a workout with the Ravens Lamar Jackson was asked of a possible playing with three time Pro Bowler we've got a lot of great receivers in the team right now it's up the phenomenon but seeing desperate on instagram stuff like that running his routes competing against quarterback he's looking pretty good on social media if the. Front Office Lights, and we'll have to see when he gets you Brian has made it clear intrigued by the possibility of playing with Lamar Jackson quite the fall from grace from Desmond. What star he was he's thirty one years of age. Where do you think I'm GonNa come back with the Ravens for Dez Bryant I you know I think the issue with Dez has always been. When he goes outside the system, I mean, remember this is a guy that you know the cowboys wanted to take a pay cut to let's go back. Remember I think he was making sixteen million. I could have the numbers com wrong but it's in that area and he was clearly not playing to that level. He didn't have any bursts at the top of the route. He didn't separate his hands where we're really inconsistent, which is an indication of players, loosener legs he. Didn't he's not a guy who's to line up at multiple positions and still function really well because he needs to have a kind of like he needs to be a one place he needs to have his routes. He's not as a thinker of the of the game as he plays. You know he's a slower processing player. So for me learning a new offense with this guy, you know he's worth putting on the team from an executive standpoint if I signed Dez Bryant. And he's not my starting extra my starting see what am I getting out of them so okay, let's go through it. So if I sign them to say a minimum deal, two, million dollars. So I'm on the hook for a million bucks. Okay. If he makes the team on the Saturday of the before the opening game I guarantee salary for a year I got no flexibility there. Right. He can't help me at all in the kicking game. So unless he starting playing in the three receivers set, you know then he's not going to be active. So now I'm paying millions of dollars for a guy that I'm not gonNa have active now if he can. And he's GonNa make a big difference to my team. You know we drafted two receivers one in the third one in the six you know. So those two guys gotta take a back seat. They're cheaper labor force like none of this adds up like if you told me, you want sign Antonio Brown and you WanNa take on the game suspension young. Okay. Because I promise you Antonio Brown walks onto the field. There is nobody on Baltimore steam as good as they think they are at receiver and they have good receivers. There's nobody on that football team as good as Antonio Brown but he's the best player he's the best receiver on the team, but if Dez Bryant walks in. You know is he better than Hollywood? Brown no is see better. The Miles Birkett are Chris more or Willie snead. You know they drafted the dump Rene Texas they drafted the poor kid in the sixth round. So they got two young kids that they drafted like, where does he fit and then I I'm exposed at a million like these are all things like this is called second. Order thinking like it's one thing the media makes this big deal with says, bright. Well, you know does Bryant. Five years ago was a good player does Brian today may not be a good player just because he's a named certainly has from the past that's a different story as to how could translate this season one more than we're gonNA take a quick break how about this story with? You might quickly become this year's the copper Joe judge whole bunch of Giants Players Wearing Blue Jerseys jogging on the perimeter of the field three going far away the get to the next drill. This was not illusion leisurely stroll during Monday's training camp practice. This was a penalty lap run by the entire backup offensive unit players along with the offensive coaches were on the move that's coaches had to go as well after Kris. Chad slade gives me the guard had some pre snap movement. So the last time sterling shepherd, the longest tenure giants players saw coach. Levy on the with penalty laps probably Middle School. Welcome to the Joe. Judge giants is this Little League type time Mike or do you appreciate when it coaches now we did this where kids are doing this now penalty laps for everybody I. Think The you know obviously in the Patriots. If you have a false start, the player runs around sometimes ver- infrequently I would see Bella check make the coaches offensive or defensive do a job. But most of the time it was a player who made a mental mistake you know fall star jumped off sides. Focus, and concentrate to run a lap. You know look I think Joe's gotTa make a decision here and I've said this last week about he doesn't have bill down the hall to protect him. And all this stuff all this attention to details. Great. You know but you got to get people to buy into it and you've got to be able to get them to to. It's gotTa start with a a sense of trust and a sense of respect for one. Another you know and I think ultimately, you know for people on the outside of never been a part of the Patriot program especially in New York City that there's going to be a lot of doubters and how you handle those doubters are really going to be key. Joe's going to say, well, you know I don't pay attention to anything. Well, it's going to into your team you better pay attention. That's why you have to be yourself. You have to be your own authentic leader and when you're just trying to copy bill, no, one can do bill better than bill can do bill know like there's ways to discipline players. There's ways to force concentration in you have to come up with different ways to do it because if you just copy bill that eventually this is going to get old often imitated. Duplicate it. When we come back, we're going to talk about speaking the Patriots. Newton Hoyer. 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Brian Voyeur and stood him stood him the rookie backing up Brady threw four passes last season apparently was actually The most impressive one on the first day of work according to reporters on the scene Bill Belichick has declined to name a starting quarterback may not do so for any time soon, I, know you believe Cam. Is going to be the guy but how much of a chance do hoyer instead them have obscenity apple car and trying to get into the mix I mean look. Look at the way they rotate the quarterbacks in and out of the game has no bearing who's in the lead I mean I think bill likes to do just a mess with people I think the one thing about an eighty man roster as you bet learned to play with everybody because they're trying to get other players look to if you just play with this one set of receivers if cam just throwing the ball to all the time or camps throwing the ball to kneel Harry then they can't evaluate evaluate some of their other receivers or they can't. Evaluate what they could do. So you know this is really like depth charts in preseason or like wedding seating charts. You know like they they they know no rhyme. You know it's like seriously like planning a wedding, right? Okay. We're GONNA have a remember Sopranos where they had the people sitting next to him and all that. You know let's go look like you know and so everybody makes such a big deal who's getting the reps when every coach every every general manager wants to be able to see the level of talent play against other good level of talent. So I don't put too much of an I think cam. Newton obviously is one of the best players they have, and he's going to be the starting quarterback eventually, but he's going to have to earn it. You know if he's throwing five interceptions a day and he's not making progress, he won't be the starter, but I think he's I. Think he's playing. To a level that's really good I. I think the Patriots offensively have a chance to be way better than they were last year I think that tight end they drafted from Ucla. The A saucy kid is is going to be really a good player I think they're going to have to handle the right tackle. Whomever that may be is it going to be? is going to be Cunningham Ham whomever. Are they GONNA be able to put eleanor over there. I don't know but I do think I think the sleeper and fantasy here is David Harrison. I think Damian Harris is going to be a really good player from Alabama I think he'll sunny Michelle's on pup I don't anticipate him getting off that list anytime soon. So is Lamar Miller. So I think if you're if you WANNA get asleep on your fantasy drafts, I would take I would play on David. Harrison do that but I I think cams definitely going to be the starter and don't read I think this is really important when you read like read your, you know your daily paper read about your team but be really careful believing what the write ups are the headlines Don't match it right? You know like you'll read a headline where it says this player looked really good. But then when you read the article, he really didn't really look good he was taking. Reps with you know he wasn't even in the one on one drill just he flat he made a play. He caught a deep pass. He did something you know. So you have to be really careful about when you read what when you read, the review of practice is compared to what the reality of practices they're two different worlds. That's Mike tip of the day headlines versus articles headlines or misleading if you've ever watched the news, I mean for God's Sakes if. You look at the font, the bomb screen you think we're all going to Helena handbasket actually look at the story like you said, read it further investigate and go from there I speaking of just because this is the best way for me the patriots the fact when Belgium was asked what he did during the pandemic, he said he watches the promise. Of course, the greatest coach of all time would watch the greatest show of all time but I'm putting the credit. To that on you I'm thinking I'm not that bill would no, it's a great show on his own. Of course he's seen it but I'm sure throughout your friendship and working relationship you were telling belts seriously this is a great show of all time. Right we would always talk like he would like ask him what he was watching and you know like he loves movies. So like hey, did you see this and you know I I kinda know what what? Type things he likes to watch you know and I was talking to him a lot about the wire because I think the wire for me is so was so educational you know growing up in in a beach town with very few African American kids very few went to school you know and not really understanding the inner city right you just don't know the inner city you can't, and then you're you're paid to evaluate young men who grew up in the. Inner City and the wire was eye opening to me so I would often tell him you. You know the two shows you gotTa Watch to really understand where this thing's going in terms of how we evaluate the character of players is in the wire you know and and so I don't know if he ever fill through with that but we talked about it quite a bit. We talked about the Sopranos speaking of the wire are not to deviate a little bit. But I gotta change like, did you see Jimmy Butler is selling coffee in the bubble for twenty dollars a cup? Did you see this? Hey, second and Jimmy Butler the very high salary NBA. Player is now Barista's he's he's making a little scratch on the side selling coffee and what does he has some special ingredient from like Colombians who how much is the coffee I? Mean I don so first of all, here's the reality apparently according to my Disney Expert Bill My Buddy, you know. Sometimes, I call them my neighbor but he's my buddy. So he happens to be my neighbor to, of course, milly gives me crap for mentioning that I call them my neighbor. So everything is scrutinized on this podcast based on shoutouts and how I actually posture so I wanna make that clear but anyway so bills an expert on Disney like bills like I to bring bill on and have you. To debate Disney movies because you it would be awesome. It would be awesome podcasting but anyway so he he has told me that there's not a great great coffee. There's not a lot of great coffee at Disney and they have a few starbucks, but there's not a lot of them. So obviously, Butler realizes there's a void in the marketplace. So he decides to he has his own French. Press. And he decides to open up for business. I don't know where he got the beans from. Maybe he's got a context south south of Miami that set it up the beans I don't know. But what I loved was he's got a whiteboard in front of it. This is the this reminded me of the wire. So much right. He's got a whiteboard in front of and he causes coffee company big face coffey. So he's got and he knows his clientele ad he knows his clientele says cash only right and then in a box, he's got no I owe us because he knows these guys are going to try and say, Hey, man, I'll get you later but they ain't GonNa get you later right and this is the best. One. A Small Cup of coffee twenty dollars a medium. Cup of Twenty, a coffees, twenty dollars and a Large Cup is twenty dollars. So the coffee be twenty dollars, motherfucker that's basically what he's saying you know and so I just think to me but to me, it was very wire oriented. I hope the money's going to charity but apparently he's very busy. That's unbelievable. The fact that we Butler is that enterprising here like you said, starbucks is there but I guess strawberries could still up a while. Hey, these guys can afford it. If you want the Best I've God that's the way to go the Butler did it I can appreciate that. One more NFL story here, and we're gonNA take a quick break and talk with hard knocks unexpected development last Thursday jets, defensive coordinator Greg Williams. Took a shot you Jamal Adams, and he may get bored playing for the SEAHAWKS. So. Pete Carroll came back. We don't make as many mistakes as he does. A few days later, Adams give his first public responses at Gw. He definitely misses me. I'll think I'm going to get bored winning. That's how I look at it. I'M GONNA be alright say law that miss me over there. What did you think Greg Williams taking a shot at Jamal Adams that he comes back at him. You know if I were Joe Douglas, I would walk down to Greg's office and say shut up Blake at some point to shut up. It's not about like seriously like this is about. This is really about what we do. Right. This isn't about anything other than that, and if you can't stay in the moment if you can't make decisions based on. On, this that we we've got no chance here like why are we getting emotionally and making things? It's GonNa Affect you like I really think as we look into the season and we go over the when you work in an NFL team because it's such an emotional sport, we get caught up in the emotion. Of all our decisions and we we have these outbursts which I think are horrendous right and so in poker poker they think is truly a game that is most similar to life. Right? There's a Lotta. There's fifty two cards. There's you know there's a lot of similarities Texas holdem. Some things you can't but decision making. So there's this thing in poker that's called till. So it's basically a state of mental or emotional confusion or frustration which a player adopts a less than optimal strategy resulting in the player becoming over aggressive right and so you lose a game. You think that you know you because you've got a bad call or you did this and. So you start to tilt and now you start making decisions based on emotion. Are you start behaving with emotional outburst which is what this is, and at some point is a general manager of the leader of any company. You GotTa teach your people about tilt. So embellish says we're on the Cincinnati at the end of the day. Really what he's saying is he's not tilting. Now. The media got caught up in it because you know how could you be on to? Cincinnati. You played so shitty against Kansas City and you've got destroyed but if but his mom was he was going to tilt he was not going to tilt. He was going to take emotion out of the decision. It was a bad game it's moving forward and if I were Joe Douglas I would say that to all to Greg Williams I would say at the peak carol and if I were Pete Carroll I would call Jamal Adams into the office and say that's enough. Bro That's enough we ain't doing this no more at your here it's about us it ain't about them anymore. That's the focus of it has to be Greg Williams I get parties, Persona Mike, Fiery Guy Emotional, illicit. He's been the for a long time and lots of different places and people like the fact that he gets them fired up but you're right this just can't end on a positive note and it's funny how Adams's mentioned the whole concept of winning because it'd be this time in a fair fight when you look at how bad the jets have been and the winning tradition of obviously the seahawks, it is a much, much different story. All right. When we come back hard knocks recap we are two episodes in what is standing out so far from the show plus paying homage to the chairman of the board. That's next. During these. Turbulent. Times everyone is looking for a way to feel more financially secure. So if you're still needlessly throwing money every month at high interest credit card debt, it's time you checked out upstart the revolutionary online lending platform that lets you know you're more than just your credit score. 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So that's jared Gulf Jalen Ramsey storming out when he's asked about his contract. That's why so upset about that Sean mcvay of course workaholic working in different time right now to Kobe how it's impacting training camp hard knocks a different version twenty twenty what stood out to you so far Mike you know I think it's interesting to look of the coaching contrast Anthony Lynn who's obviously overseeing the chargers he's not involved in the day to day operation of of the offense or the defense is he's kind of the big. Pitcher. Guy you know and I think you can learn a lot from how they kind of talked to the players like you know they got this a college free agent kid that they signed from two Lane Darius Bradwell, which to me is like like you just wonder it goes back to our embiid conversation. So Brad Wells this kid who played at two thirty four but he shows up, he's a big back right and he's got talent but he shows up a to thirty four and he shows up to fifty and he's supposed to play at like two thirty four like seriously dude like how important is it to you and so It Lands Job Anthony. Lens. Encouraging them and the kids being so polite. Yeah, I got. Know to me like don't be polite to me like seriously there's a reason why and this is what what really it comes down to like there's three kinds of underachievers and Bradwell clearly with his weight gain is in the underachiever class much like embiid is right. So there's the underachiever that doesn't work hard and doesn't compete right? That's really embiid. He'll compete against certain teams, but he's not if he sees Marc assault he's retreating right so does it work hard doesn't compete against the Great Pliers Right? So that's one. Doesn't. You know works hard. But can't compete, and then there's the guy that won't work hard but can compete and so if you're Bradwell, you're either one of those to you either you just can't won't compete to make yourself work hard or you just can't or you just don't have any work habits and we'll see. So you know give it two weeks and if he doesn't lose weight, then you gotta get him out of there because you're just wasting your time with him. Because, he's never going to change his behavior because he's one of those three categories employers. So that kind of jumped out. I mean. Anthony. Limb was encouraging. But like at some point do like like if I were the GM and he showed up to fifty, I would have put them on pup because like we're not putting you out on the field you're GONNA get hurt. You're going pull a hamstring. You're too fat like at some point that's why. They must have a conditioning test. At. The chargers because he would have never made the list. So anyway, I thought, you know Jalen Ramsey's buying a home I mean that. Lady is going to get a lot of business from athletes out there. She already has a company she's. Got, to see it. So she showing. She show in the home to Ramsey and it's up in the hills and she must have like nine inch heels on and she's trying to walk in the backyard with all these rocks with the nine inch heels like literally like she might have better balance than some running backs in the NFL like seriously she might have better balance and of course, my man golf is. You know golf saying they're going to be much better this year which I think to me one of the biggest things I think people don't always account for and this one of the things pet peeves that drive me crazy in the NFL is is is everybody thinks that they're going to play you the same way I I in this book in this book bluffing the bet. By Maria Corner Cova, Eric Sidell, who's a world class poker player. Is, her adviser and she says to him she says. How would you of play the hand? And he says. I can answer that because they play me different than they play you. So you can ask me and that line right. There is the essence of the NFL because the rams have found out that how teams play them now is different than how they did before. So when you watch the last three games of team playing like most coaches do right. All you're doing is reinforcing the way people are reinforcing. A system, but you're not really understanding how a team is going to play you. So I if you study the tape of the Games of the people that do what you do, and then you figure out how they're going to play you. Than you can adjust to that why the raiders have such a hard time scoring in the third quarter because they figure out the game plan based on Gruden's good this he does a really good job of being able to say, okay, they play this to this formation they play that too that formation but eventually, how do they play you? And I what I watch. And I see I see his personality and I I look to me. This is going to be a big year to see how the rams handle, how teams have been playing them. But that's that's a fascinating insight because you could use that in life for teachers or how do you motivate the student? Well, you motivate him differently than I motivate him Mike. It's not only dependent upon the personality will what kind of? Personality, you have which can bring out the best. So That is interesting to see how that works. Speaking of motivation. We Know Sean McVeigh's a great coach. Some early feedback from the first episodes seemed eager to take his shirt off and jump in the pool. This dog did you get any kind of Gruden esque vibes it a shot mcvay? Yeah. He's got a little bit of Gruden you could say he's influenced by. Grew I mean the way he's either the voice reflection and the way he coaches. He's got a little bit. Give me fucking tiger. You know he's got a little bit of that I. Think Sean does a really good job. I think sean worst enemy is Sean I. Think Schanz. Worst shown general manager Sean. I know less steeds, the GM but I think Sean makes the decisions that I think he could do so. Much, more with this team and I understand there may be because of the star implications but to me signing Goth thirty-three million, I, think Shawn's were thirty, three million not golf. So I could see 'em interesting. I thought you know ESPN went after him to see if he would work Monday night football which I don't even know how that idea would come up a young coach like that wanting to do it but. But the one good thing his agent Bob Lamont does a good job of being able to make sure that you know his client's name is always out there I I like Sean I sean it's a big year for Sean Change Defensive Staff Changed Offense changed some offensive coaches changed special teams will see if he becomes more of a head coach you can see he runs the offense. So no matter what happens right he runs the office he's coaching quarterback every day, and now he's got to see what he does with his defense look forward to more of hard knocks. It's one eight hundred Emmy awards obviously great show there on Hbo Speaking of HBO as mentioned earlier bill. Belichick. During. The quarantine I polished off the Sopranos that was good Christian Fauria the radio host former pass said finally finished it ballot check I. Did we saw Lawrence Taylor's cameo I don't really know how it ends because it leaves you hanging so yes, Bill Belichick also on the Sopranos speaking of Italian American culture my wife Ayman I celebrate our thirteenth wedding anniversary and I okay. We've been in Jersey a year plus let's go make the pilgrimage Yucky let's go to hoboken and Pale Mosh the chairman of the board. All Blue Eyes himself Frank Sinatra. So my buddy mark hi office you gotTa. Go to Leo's rendezvous was it's an old Sinatra hanging out I said perfect. Now you can't coincide obviously I just you know put the mask on went and saw a just a ton of pictures and memorabilia FIDORA's RATPAC CETERA. But outside they set us up SOCI- distance patio how little nookie with the colors of the Italian flag at that Red White and green. and. Listened to actually put Sinatra Music on the Patio we talked about before Mike. Mike is going to be in the rat pack kind of mood like I got to tell you. We're sitting outside there were having dinner. It's a beautiful night in hoboken and you're hearing strangers of the night or something stupid or New York New York I. Mean it doesn't get much better than that but as you said parking in Hoboken, that's the biggest challenge other than that it's great. Where'd you park? Where did you go park? So amazingly my wife found a spot like literally about a block. And a half away, but it was so tight and I a terrible parallel Parker. So I get into the car and kind of director to do it, but it was so tight. You can't pay by the meter you have to go get an APP. So I guess they're very tech savvy there. You gotta use an APP at the APP pay the parking that way. But aside from that, there's no parking garages that got I'm willing. We've discussed this before you and I are willing to pay extra. For the convenience meaning like my dad's was, why don't you know you're a lot like now I'll pay fifty bucks for the guy to come every two weeks to worry about saving the parking like I'm willing to pay thirty bucks for the parking in Hoboken if it means, they don't have to worry about it but no, there's no parking garages anywhere it street parking and I a parallel parking. It was a tight squeeze. Yeah. I mean, that's the biggest problem with Hoboken, but but it's just kind. Of. Interesting. To see how that neighborhood has. Now become, you know I don't know if they're having the effect of New York City's obviously the home costs are coming down based on covert and all the things that are going on in New York City but hoboken be just a path over to New York City, which is such a great town and you know, Jersey City has revitalized itself as well. Those neighborhoods which you know we're going to see a lot of Jersey City in the in the in. The saints of of Saints of Newark I think and we'll see all that kind of as those neighborhoods. But some of those old stones are just kind of really remarkable I. Know I know they've turned them into three apartments on each floor but just thinking back in a time when Sinatra though streets and you know and he tells the story about how he he he was saved by his birth by by the the woman who helps the the livery back in the twenties or whenever the heck. He was born you know they they call the pair, but there's like a nurse or that one that did that and apparently he was choking and dying and and she saved his life and forever in his life he was like he was forever grateful to that woman and the whole hoboken thing, i. i. think it's just remarkable. His actual birthplace is four fifty monroe. She's so we went there and obviously they do not have his birth home still they tore down what they had with a basically before. They had like a star like a walk of fame type thing but apparently been scuffed up and beat up and literally just said Arizona for Sinatra's born. So they actually built these condominiums and now the star is in the building. So it's really cool. You Go. You see the Sinatra Mural, and then there's the starches that could see on the strongest walk of fame here lies in a hoboken's most favored son nineteen, fifteen, Francis Albert and I looked it up Mike afterwards I got to tell you. Listen I. Wish the GM shop I wish we could get sponsored the condominium tower were Frank Sinatra. was born is called Frank's place. So I looked it up you could get like a four bedroom four bathroom unless it's over a million dollars which is crazy but obviously just said hoboken you're right next to New York City but I wish we could get sponsored by Franks placement wouldn't it be read one day you just tell Millie Hanno we got a great place Ocean city I bought a million plus. Just to say, I could now go where Frank Sinatra was born and grew up when you walk that neighbor you're right the browns a lot of it's still restored just building itself is brand spanking new to me that to me the ultimate would have been if I could ever met Sinatra and if he could have just pinched my cheeks, you know how he would always kind of like pinch somebody's cheek I went into Raoult's one time and I saw my man Frank Pellegrini God. Rest, his soul and I started reciting to him some of the one episode where Tony Comes into that you know you know you and I are not combat a Tony. You'll even though we both have from the same one, it's sunny peninsula. You know you know about him how different he is an Italian as Tony is and I start reciting that frank comes up it gives me the pinch cheeks. It was better than the meal there was better than the meal and so to me. That would have been the ultimate I mean just the fact that. I go to a timmy there should be a rule if you're in a steakhouse and they're not playing Sinatra, you should leave like that's just doesn't work right? Totally. What I I got the plant some light rockets go hanging a second isn't this Sinatra's place like let's cue up the Francis Albert like you gotta get in the mood and is an American icon on any other. Have you seen his live the live from new? York have you seen that one? Yeah you after you told me to watch, it was great when I could even just lawsuits that people are aware that people are dressed up. Live from Madison Square Garden I. Think it's on Amazon prime. If people haven't seen it, it's a I think it's called the main event. Sinatra, live the massive. Our people were in suits Robert Redford in the crowd he comes as soon as you hear, she gets hungry at quarter to eight whole crowd goes nuts. That's why the lady is a tramp the so good. I mean I I it's such a great air and steadier is never going to die I. mean you know it's like Michael Boob Lay said if you've ever another another documentary, I'd recommend watching it the David Foster one which the guy's a true genius. I mean. The guy is truly genius. He was able to do things I. mean he's in a damn meeting with. The head of motown records and and and he's thinking of something for earth wind and fire and he and he doesn't really have it until he gets to the piano, and then of course, he starts playing chord and there there's the next hit for earth wind and fire you know. It's just really a great great documentary but in it, they're talking about Michael. boob lay how Michael Blais is. You know was found at at at a wedding basically by David foster that he was performing at a wedding and so foster kidnapped Mom de los Angeles and then they went over to the record company and they said like you know. Sinatra's like, why would we want to promote you or put you on the label if you're going to play Sinatra music and and up Michael, bubbly says well Sarah in all due respect to Mr Sinatra, he is dead you know and so that launched his career as as a Sinatra WanNa be and he is I mean it's great but. That documentary's really good but I I love it. I love that you went there and did the whole thing like the other one. Is the Palm Beach see where he's out in Palm Beach I like what? I A million I lived in La. La. The La one I went to every restaurant I sat at the table that he would sit at I forget the name of the one restaurant La Doce I. think it was but I went to every joint that he would have gone to say some of them were closed obviously, and then I saw church where he was buried in and went to mass there but then but then the palm beach on his palm springs is the one that that I've never been to I know I'd love to see own that tell man evolving about. Las Vegas obviously the rat pack palm springs in the stories, but it's not your that documentary is also great worth seeing Mike Instagram, follow him at 'em Lombardi NFL. Soon as twitter handle, you can follow me Adnan s virk. You can also follow shows instagram page at the GM shuffle last thought here I want to circle back to the NBA. We started it. Let's close that how about Charles Barkley taking shots at skip bayless I mean it's look. If you're just GONNA attack Damian Lillard for no reason at all like like look I know I attacked embiid but I'm telling you I bring numbers to attack it like tell me he's in shape like like I'm trying to understand like it's for the benefit of embiid like you know and you attack people with with really like I know he's all over Lebron and you know I think he was you know in the Lakers lost but I gotta say this though I think the NBA's done a remarkable job i. think the Games are fun to watch I. Think There's way more coaching going on in these games than people really WanNa admit to and I think you can learn a lot. From watching how these guys coach and how they handle the match I love it and I love the Barclay. I Love I mean Barkley just tells the truth. The other night he was on talking about how harden was the greatest one on one player, and of course, Kenny and shack. When crazy saying how can you say that embark made a great point? He said look look the greatest players of all time or Michael Jordan Kobe Bryant I'm not saying that but this guy can shoot from thirty five feet out. He's the best three point shooter Michael couldn't do that. Kobe couldn't do that. This guy one on one is hard because of his three point line shooting and it made sense. If we're playing pickup. Would you pick James Harden over Kobe of course you would but the point I was trying to make and that's where people lose so much. They don't understand what the messaging is. They only hear certain words and they react to it and I think he's and the one thing about Barclay why so papa he speaks the truth like he's called he's called him beat out. He knows he knows him beat is I mean everybody in? The League knows who that embiid isn't that tough. I'll tell you a story about embiid the this I got from somebody in the League. So they're playing the thunder and Russell Westbrook goes down and takes an and be gives him a hard foul. So he gets up and he turns to stay Stephen Adams and says, are you going to handle that and Steven Adams says to him Nah I didn't think I needed to I thought you could do it. And westbrook says, no, you take care and so Adams did and that was the last you see beat the rest of the night like that's like that's we're talking about mental toughness. And people don't understand it. People see achievement they see talent but you gotta have mental toughness, mental toughness and enterprising spirit like Jimmy, Butler selling coffee right now, the bubble twenty bucks a cup the Best Cup of Joe Year, we're going to have thanks for checking out the GM shuffled Dr Next.

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Kingpins Daily: Frank Sinatra

Kingpins

07:17 min | 6 months ago

Kingpins Daily: Frank Sinatra

"This is kingpins. Apar- cost original. I'm Dan and I'm kate every day in. May We're featuring a quote by an iconic crime figure teaching us in their own words what it takes to survive in the underworld. Today's quote is from none other than the beloved Italian American Crooner Frank Sinatra throughout his life Sinatra remained friends with many prominent gangsters including Charles Lucky Luciano and Sam Giancana. He also counted John F. Kennedy among his pals and is suspected of using his mafia connections to give the president a leg up in the nineteen sixty election but despite having chums in both the mob and the White House Sinatra is often quoted as saying. I'd rather be done for the Mafia then president of the United States don of course refers to a boss in the Italian Mafia. It was the term for the highest ranking member of crime family as son of Italian immigrants in Hoboken New Jersey Sinatra had plenty of opportunity to witness the sort of influence a done could wheeled hoboken was under the jurisdiction of what we now know as the genovese crime. Family of whom underboss Willie Moretti was a member? Moretti has been referred to as Sinatra's Godfather by some and frank's father Anthony Sinatra worked as a lookout for a bootlegging operation while also running his own prohibition era Bar Sinatra's interest in singing began because bar patrons including local mall members. Would pop him dine to sing along with their play. Piano connections followed. Sinatra into his career and supposedly. He wasn't afraid to call in a favor from one of his tough guy friends. One story recounts that in Nineteen Forty two. The crooner needed out of contract with bandleader Tommy. Dorsey he allegedly got some unsavory help. And Willie Moretti came to the rescue. Dorsey reportedly said of the event. Willie fingered a gun and told me he was glad to hear. I was letting frank out of our deal. I took the hint by nineteen forty seven francs ongoing connection to the mob was undeniable around that time it said that he provided entertainment for the Havana Conference in Cuba. This was a landmark meeting of the minds between the Dawn's of the Mafia at the close of nineteen forty six during which they discussed their business operations. Allegedly Sinatra was the special guest of the conference's organizer notorious Mobster and father of us organized crime. Lucky Luciano Sinatra was again in Cuba in February. Nineteen forty seven. He flew to the island on the same plane as the SCOTTI brothers cousins of alka prone and he was photographed. Does he disembarked carrying a single briefcase. The press quickly spread rumors that the case held two million dollars that Sinatra had smuggled in for his mafia pals but for the rest of his life old blue is maintained that the case held out supplies. Bain sore no paints the FBI paid closer attention to Sinatra's whereabouts trying to decipher his connection to the mob of special note was the singer's friendship with gangsters. Like Luchino Bugsy Siegel and eventually Sam Giancana. Giancana of course would go on to become head. If the Chicago mob he and Sinatra were often seen hanging out on golf courses at nightclubs and over Casino tables in Vegas but Giancana wasn't the only figurehead Sinatra called friend by the late fifties. He had formed a bond with future. President John F. Kennedy as fellow partygoers and women is is. The pair had plenty in common with Sinatra playing an avid rolling Kennedy's election. He even reworked his own tune. High hopes as the campaign anthem. This embolden. Jfk's father Joseph Kennedy to make yet another request of the singer. Joseph wondered if Sinatra might make a few Kohl's to Sam Giancana and his other mob buddies asking them to influence their worker unions in Illinois and West Virginia to vote for Kennedy Sinatra reportedly. Obliged Kennedy won the nineteen sixty election. But Sinatra's friendship with the president wouldn't last JFK's brother Robert Kennedy was soon promoted to us. Attorney General Robert Immediately Lettuce smackdown on mob figures including Giancana the very man Sinatra had recruited to secure union votes. Allegedly there was talk of a hit on Sinatra and his backpack Powell's for not making the initial deal more at tight but of course. This never happened. And by all appearances. There was no distinguishable fallout between Sinatra. And the mob. Meanwhile Frank would have preferred to remain friends with Kennedy John. F K was dissuaded by his brother from associating with a friend of the Mafia. The rift between the singer and the president's became clear in March of nineteen sixty two as Sinatra prepared to host Kennedy at his home in Palm Springs. The trip had long since being arranged but at the very last minute Kennedy changed his accommodations instead of Francs House. He stayed at the home of another famous crooner. Bing crosby Sinatra was furious but more so he was heartbroken and when Kennedy was assassinated a year later the singer holed up in his room in palm springs photos. Show him sitting on a bed watching his old friend's funeral. His brief acquaintance with the White House was over but Sinatra would remain pals with the mob for the rest of his life in the end. He knew who his true friends were. Thanks for listening. We'll be back tomorrow. With another quote you can find more episodes of kingpins for free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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S9: Story Time: Mary Rogers Pt. 2

Parcast Presents

37:57 min | 4 months ago

S9: Story Time: Mary Rogers Pt. 2

"Tapei. It's your host. Carter I wanted to give you a little bit of a warning. Kids who are under the age of thirteen might find some parts of our show a little bit scary, so listener discretion is advised. Now enjoy the show. What will be whiskey? Not that your finest whisky celebrating do I appear to be celebrating our, Shan assume, but rarely do I. See a man of your trade drinking like aster himself. Just pull glass an APP to pay for it. Another. I have a mind to keep an eye on you another my heart, my soul. My beautiful. Girl! I'll kill the bastard. Who took that angel from this Earth you there? What is it? You speak of MS Rogers over there? What did you say Miss Rogers? Nazi her, what kind of foul joke is? This is no joke there she is. The is on the wall. We keep clippings here from the papers to encourage locals. Strangers elect to keep the flame alive for her. These parts will not rest until we find the fiend who killed her. You show up there like some gaudy trophy. She was flesh and blood, so we're all the other poor souls who passed. Can we not enjoy their likeness after death? Tear it down, pardon. I said tear it down. You best be moving along. Tis No room for stability in my tavern. Only folly I have no won't follow you file brute. DENVER. October eighth, eighteen, forty one Daniel Payne. The fiance of America's beautiful cigar girl wandered off drunk and ended up at civils cave in Hoboken New Jersey. This was the very site where his love Mary Rogers was found dead two, and a half months earlier, bruised, swollen and filled with water from being tossed in the Hudson River, and by this point, the case that shocked the nation was at a standstill Daniel had been interrogated, but authorities released him because of lack of evidence theories poured. Poured in about ruthless thugs, one theory in particular, stated that a gang attack violated her, and then Kilter, and then came Mrs loss who ran nick? Moore's house the in where witnesses placed Mary the night of her disappearance, Mrs Loss, said she saw Mary enjoying refreshments in the tavern with a tall dark stranger, but those in charge of the case didn't chase this lead, and eventually the newspapers covering the action stopped printing stories. The waters had calmed. That is until Daniel turned up dead. This unsolved murders, true crime stories, and the final installment of Mary Cecilia. Rogers, if you WANNA review an episode of unsolved murders or to hear our investigation into other cases. You can find them all on your favorite podcast directory. Don't forget to subscribe. You can also listen on our website podcast dot com spelled P. A. R. C.. A. S.. T. Dot Com. A new episode comes out every Tuesday I'm your host? Carter Roy and I'm Wendy Mackenzie, now that to the puzzling case of Mary Rogers. That storm was mighty angry last night, not the storm God himself. You found a place to sleep. Then went back to the bridge. You I found a welcoming stoop, but the rain would not relent. I shivered all night luck. Who is there one of us? You Brave the storm from that bench. We Must Sita and young man does not stir. I think not turnover. I, look at his face to his battered so and his eyes. He sleeps with God now. Poor so. To the find jacket, yes. His shoes are decent to. What are you supposed to bring those pockets of? Quick for the morning, bells look several shillings. Be using. Them Check the other. Nothing? Justice bottle here. and not a drop left. At the scene of Daniel's death authorities discovered a bottle of laudanum in his pocket. This was an over the counter pain killer common at the time, but laudanum was just a fancy name for opium, a highly addictive drug, and it's now considered a dangerous narcotic, but back then it was something you could easily get to suppress a cough or alleviate a bad case of diarrhea, or if taken an inappropriate amounts, it could kill you like the star-crossed, love. Romeo Daniel was supposedly so grief stricken over the loss of Mary that he poisoned himself, and that's not all. He left a suicide note. It was short and to the point. I'm on the very spot. God forgive me for my misspent life. Another suicide note I. Someone writes a fake suicide note for Mary when she leaves town now this. Could someone have fabricated this one to? There isn't much speculation regarding this particular note. Apparently, Daniel did write it on which is a sudden yet short lived effect on the case. Ignited suspicion against him. Several people took this note to be Daniels Confession his way of admitting guilt, and Mary's murder, but authorities couldn't really investigate this further considering that he was now deceased I'm just like that. This exciting new development fizzled becoming just a tragic story fit for gossip column, which is practically where it ended up. Here's a published report regarding the death of Daniel Payne. This. Unfortunate man was engaged to be married to Miss Mary Rogers, who was murdered in hoboken in July eighteen, forty one. After the disappearance of his betrothed painted become very melancholy on the eighth of October he was found dead near the spot on which Mary had probably been murdered, his appearance was neglected and care-worn, he was without a hat, and he had been exposed to violent storm without apparently seeking the least shelter, his face was somewhat bruised, and almost beyond recognition. His face was almost beyond recognition. What does that mean? Maybe he got into a fight. He did have a temper. or it could have been those elusive New York thugs people were always complaining about those comes back to the thugs. Now that you mention it, there is one theory about local gangs and Mary's death that we haven't yet addressed, and it involves that tall dark stranger Mary was apparently seem with the night. She disappeared. It was reported that because the mystery man was well dressed, he must have been fairly affluent. He most likely had an expensive pocket watch and some money on him. You get the picture, so a thorns assumed it could have been a robbery gone wrong. Here's a possible scenario Marian. This gentleman were out gallivanting. Gallivanting at the tavern, some young criminals watch them and followed them out and ambush them. Maybe they intended kill, or maybe the robbery simply went too far, but then the main question becomes what happened to the tall dark stranger. Was He killed to? The point? is every theory basically becomes a dead end and people were frustrated, but then someone emerged someone who thought he may be able to capitalize on this unsolved murder, and maybe even crack the case. Whatever the real reason. He was ready to take action. The man's name. Was Edgar Allan Poe never heard of him. Of course we did two episodes on his murder after all, and he's one of the most famous authors in American literature known especially for writing the Raven, but in eighteen forty one before his own mysterious death, he was destitute and trying to support his wife, not to mention his drinking habit. It's believed he knew Mary from his trip to the cigar shop, and he also knew her boss John Anderson. It is certain. Certain however that Poe followed Mary's case closely in the papers, and was just as intrigued and befuddled as everyone else in order to survive, he needed to sell a story, so from desperation came inspiration poa struck with a brilliant idea for his next piece of writing, which would hopefully generate some serious bacon once he had written the piece, he quickly shopped at around town, targeting several publications, including the ladies companion. It was a monthly magazine run by William W Snowden. Yes Mr Edgar Allen Poe to see you, sir, tell him I'm incapacitated. That will not satisfy him Sir. Tell Him I am convulsing on the floor, lacking and surely seconds from death. That's not satisfy him either. What does he have for me today? He will not say. Only that it is the story the will surely craves. Is that so? there. I said he thinks much too highly of himself. Alright sentiment. Mistress noted. You're looking frail. What is that wife of yours feeding you whatever she can find now? What does this story of concocted? We have several pieces all ready for the November issue. Do you recall the success of the murders in the remark, the mystery with the Keane Inspector of course. Is that why you came here to toot your own horn. No. I've come because I have written at sequel. What is this? The beautiful cigar girl I know what the issue says. What of it? She is the story. My next story and you go in Madison our last meeting. Those who carry the responsibility bringing her justice have failed so I took it upon myself to solve the mystery euro writer Poe. Not a constable are not all scribes. Investigators of the human condition I had little time for this pope. I have written her story. Her is her death, the examination of murder. I've said it in Paris on the Seine and giving her the name Marie Rochet Marie Rosia. My Word Poe dried up all your resources to the point of plagiarism. Plagiarism. Tis An adaptation of life. The most fascinating life of New York City, but she's dead and therein lies the intrigue a God pope. Why would anyone read a story? They already know because they do not know the ending. Without, an ending, there is only chaos. What then you have provided conjecture. I have provided the truth to the best of my ability. And what did you discover on this investigative Odyssey of yours? You must read it to find out uh-huh. I see all of new. York has been waiting for an answer, haven't you? They will love it. They will love it. because. They crave it. You say indeed. Sir. Thank. You may be on to something, Poe. All right. Let's have a look. Poe was onto something. Yeah, he helped popularize one of the most beloved genres we know Adore today. The true crime genre, which was practically unheard of at the time he is after all the father of the detective story with the mystery of Marie. J. would follow a most successful short story to date in the murders of the rue morgue Poe introduced the world to one of his most intriguing characters detective. See a ghost do palm in writing somewhat fictionalized account of the Mary Rogers Murderer Poe also presented a viable solution to the mystery. Not only would it engage readers, but it would also provide them with some much-needed closure on considering the police weren't delivering in that department. After taking readers through the parallel investigation, Pouw asserted that a naval officer murdered Marie in a fit of passion Marie had gone off with him. That evening killed her in the thicket near the tavern and disposed of her body in the river, the was conjecture, or was it could Po- of known more than he led on some things so. Because, the details in the story were so similar to the real life case, some believe that Poe was intimately involved in the murder. We'll return to our story in just a moment and now back to the story. Allan Poe writer or murderer we'll. He may have actually been the tall dark stranger. Mary met the night of her death. There's even a theory that posed dying. Words allude to his participation in Mary's murder. Lord, help. My poor soul is what he uttered on his deathbed as a similar ring to what Daniel Payne wrote in a suicide note. However pose also played by alcoholism, the death of his first wife Virginia, a decent amount of insanity and a life of poverty. So, he could have been alluding to any of those that would be an exciting explanation, though the dark and tormented writer of the tell. Tale heart killed the beautiful cigar girl, who, in turn became his literary Muse in death, it would have been a stunning example of art, imitating life, or would it be the other way around however intriguing the scenario is. Feels a little far fetched personally. I think he saw an opportunity to make some money and joined the whirlwind mystery of Mary Rogers. Maybe that was more of a draw to him than money. The unsolved case did become an obsession for most of the public in the mystery of Marie Rosia. Even more, the story was intended to be a three part series. The first installment was published in the ladies' companion in November of eighteen forty two part two was set for publication in December but I'll did not go according to plan reality interrupted fiction, and it involved Mrs Loss, the woman who ran the tavern as well as Mrs Lhasa's three Teenage Sons Oscar Auction and Charles. You see anything. No Ma says they come near the end because we have food. Scare them away. There's nothing out here, Oscar Sh I. Bet would be happy if I brought back a Bob Cat I've never seen a BOB cat out here. You can't shoot a Bob Cat Charlotte. You can't even shoot that stump. CANTU I'll show you I. he'll Miss. How much are you fit to lose all? Bet You one month of chores. Our second that you got two tries three fine. Get in position now. Remember to take a deep breath. I knew it I. Get two more tries. You hit something at least, but that didn't touch the stump I. Get one more try. Stocks. Give me one more chance, please. NOPE, but you watch closely. This is how a real loss shoots. Could that shooting? Dammit Oscar. You Shot Ma by Lord. Are you alright. One Cold Winter Day out in hoboken. County Mrs loss was shot by one of her sons by accident. Has the story couldn't get any stranger? While she was on her deathbed bleeding out, she asked for the same coroner who examined Mary's body Gilbert Merritt came to Mrs Losses Bedside where she began along and shocking testimony. I am ill in every part of me. I have to speak the truth with what I have left gone ma'am. You must. It is of Great Relevance to the tragedy that befell young. Miss Rogers I see I remember differently now. The night I saw her. Yes, the man of dark complexion! The man she set out with the evening. The menu claims that with her in this place. Yes, well, I knew him. He is a physician you see. He came the sole sole purpose of. A fine start, please continue. To enact. To enact. A premature delivery on Miss Rogers, premature delivery well, that was a euphemism back then for abortion. The operation was ill fated. and Miss Rogers suffered greatly. She did not make it through the night. What happened then? Oh, my soul aches! GO ON MRS loss. She was deposited into river. By whom? I can't must know. cleese loose summoned me here to speak such words to your chance to make it right. I beg of you and I of you, dear woman, my son. Through her in the river. My own flesh and blood. Now before we continue this startling revelation. We have to fill you in about another prominent figure of the time once the information about a possible abortion emerged, authorities wondered if a notorious female physician could have been tied to Mary's demise, her name Madame Respell Aka Madame killer. She had also been called the wickedest woman in New York and a monster in human form, but she was actually born, and Tro Sha Merit. A tailor named Henry when she was sixteen, and had a daughter with him shortly after when Henry died of bilious fever, and took work as a seamstress to support her, and her daughter five years later and met Charles Lohman. Who worked at the New York Herald. They began a relationship and he convinced her to pursue her new interest in medicine, and the two of them fabricated backstory for an the claim that she had trained extensively as a midwife and France. France and when they returned to New York and took on the name Mademoiselle quite the Monica she had no real medical training, but she did have great publicity. Charles helped her to get ads into the Herald one of the ADS cleverly addressed the issue of birth control. Is it not but to well known that the families of the married often increase beyond what the happiness of those who give them birth would dictate. Is it moral for parents to increase their families regardless of consequences to themselves or the wellbeing of their offspring, when a simple easy healthy and certain remedy is within our control certain remedy. So. She wasn't providing a disclaimer. You know like only ninety nine percent effective sounds like she fully guaranteed protection from pregnancy. So what were these remedies? She sold several, but the most common were preventative powders and female monthly pills, and what were they made? They were pretty much just ancient folk remedies that were only occasionally effective and when they failed. Madame respell had a solution for that, too. She opened a boarding house on Fifth Avenue. Where women in troubling circumstances could get rid of the problem or give birth in secret at an additional cost, she would arrange adoptions for infants born in the house. Sit Down My. Dear Lucy do fetch some more milk and a biscuit for Miss Smith Judy Smith. You've come prepared a secret name. No. That is my name. I am no stranger to secrets. My child I am in the business of secrets. You mustn't worry. Discretion is favourable priority here, and so was your wellbeing. Tell me what you need my services well. I work as a housemaid you see. An I you cannot afford to lose your position. Yes, and I think one of the other maids. She does not like me. She may suspect so. Haste is a prime concern I see. Have you knowledge of the father yes? He's the only man that I. I'm not. been with another so young you are. Thank you, Lucy. That'll be all for now. Go on Miss. Smith this will help settle your stomach. There you go drink your milk. Now let us discuss how we shall proceed and how you plan to pay for the services rendered. Were these abortions legal at the time. That's where it gets a little tricky. If it was performed before the fourth month, the point at which the fetus was considered overly developed over right back then people referred to it as the quickening. And if an abortion was performed, after the quickening, the perpetrator could be charged with second degree manslaughter, which came with a one hundred dollar fine and up to a year in prison, and Madame still did have some trouble with the law. More than once the procedures didn't always go as planned. In fact, the death of one woman launched a court case and national scandal one paper referred to Madam respell as the female abortionist, and published a drawing of her with a flying demon, biting into an infant, and she had quite the reputation, so it's understandable that her name would get dragged into Mary's case. However, there isn't much evidence to link Mademoiselle to Mary's death or even her supposed abortion except that. That Mrs laws was apparently a disciple of Madame rozelle meaning. She was in favor of her practices. Yes, but as we've said before the physician who likely performed the procedure was a man according to Mrs Losses Testimony. Were there any other witnesses who could confirm this other witnesses at the tavern did claim to see Mary with the mystery man whether he was in fact, a physician is not confirmed so all we have is Mrs Losses Confession on her deathbed right, and the crazy thing is authorities dismissed the confession as a hoax, and not much else has written about it. What seems strange to overlook? Why would a woman confess to something? That wasn't true right before her death. Who Does that? It's much more common for people to admit their sins before meeting their maker. There's something else we should address the shooting of Mrs Loss, which some say wasn't an accident in. Why would one of her sons shoot her? On purpose? The suggestion is that she was so overcome with guilt that she was threatening to tell the police about Mary, so that concocted a plan to kill her possibly, but she didn't die right away and was ultimately able to get it off your chest, sadly, though it didn't matter, the cops never followed this lead either. I'm sensing a pattern here. Yes, you can see why people. People were pushing for stronger policing, so whatever happened to Madame respell well after she had several brushes with the law, the newspapers continued to attack reputation. They constantly called attention to how wealthy she was, and rightfully, so she did walk around sporting expensive furs and diamonds Galore and we can't forget the luxury carriage. She wrote around in and the Brownstone Mansion. She owned on Fifth Avenue just the Brownstone which eventually garnered the nickname, the mansion built on baby skulls in addition to attacks from the media, Mademoiselle faced outrage from the local citizens, and in one particular instance, an angry mob even surrounded the house. Polar out of their. Thousand Children. In this house tell through killed Mary Rogers. The cops eventually intervened, but I never really pursued Mademoiselle is a viable suspect most likely because they feared going up against such a financial behemoth. South authorities didn't want to burn that monetary bridge, but after all I'm guessing her money couldn't saver I'll eventually the media attention overwhelmed her, and she became very depressed in eighteen, seventy, eight. Her Chambermaid found her dead in her bathtub. She had slit her throat from ear to ear. What a way to go! Our story will continue in a moment after a brief message, and now let's continue the story. So, let's for a moment. Consider the abortion story. Well, it would explain why Mary left town. Yes, and could have been what Mary in Daniel argued about before she left. It's possible. I wonder if she was intending to meet with the physician with this, explain her disappearance years earlier. You mean the first time she left town and didn't return days exactly. Could this time actually been? Mary's second abortion all if that's the case, definitely paints a different picture of Mary, she's no longer the innocent and alluring cigar girl. She's now the not so Virgin Mary. Are there any other facts about the case that would point to a botched procedure? The coroner's report Merritt said that there was evidence that she had been brutally violated in the Feminine Region Yes. Yes, and the other thing to note is the lone Mary. Ask John Anderson for of course that could have been what Mary needed. The money for physicians like Madame still made quite a living off helping young women in trouble, it was expensive to procure a secret abortion. It's entirely possible Mary didn't have the money and turned to the man closest and the most capable her boss. He was an only her boss. They were dear friends, and possibly romantically involved while there is some speculation on this. Yes, to what if the unborn child was actually his not Daniels? Then you're suggesting Mary was cheating on Daniel to did fight a lot. Maybe Daniel despised her work so much because the sense or flat out, knew the John was more than just her boss, so not only are we saying that Mary may have gone to get an abortion, but this she may have been sleeping with two different men, her fiance and her boss, or perhaps only John Anderson. He could have given her the money because they were more intimately involved than we thought okay. Let's for a moment say that Mary and John were involved and he did get her pregnant, and he sent her away for an abortion. Maybe there is a more sinister plan with all this with immune. We'll eighteen eighty seven many years after Mary's death new suspicion against. John Anderson emerged. It was known that John. New Edgar Allan Poe because PLO would visit the cigar shop from time to time right and the New York Tribune, reported the John. Anderson may have hired Edgar Allan Poe to write the mystery of Marie row to divert attention from himself, so could John. Anderson and Edgar Allan Poe have been in cahoots with John terrified he'd be found out, so he reached out to poder right the story with an ending that differed from the actual truth. That's a fascinating theory. Poe was experiencing utter poverty at the time so John could targeted his vulnerability and inherent need to survive, did give Mary the loan for the abortion of his child, or could alone of been a ruse to get her into the country, where she could be killed and disposed of quite easily, and so as John's possible motive to get his unborn child and mistress out of the picture to protect his reputation, while there is something that suggest John, and Mary were more than Co.. And that he felt guilt over her death on that information only emerged because of his will and testament. In one thousand, nine, Hundred Ninety two eleven years after John Anderson died his daughter Laura filed a civil suit to gain access to a portion of undivided land in order to get ownership of this land, Laura had to prove her father was mentally incompetent, which would basically nullify his will? So Laura's attorney set out to prove John was in fact delusional when he executed the documents through the testimonies. Testimonies of John's friends and colleagues, the attorney gathering information about the loan given to marry, but that's not all. He also found out that claim to have been haunted by Mary. Spirit haunted really one of John. Anderson's associates Abner Matutuine, a former assemblyman and state senator. He said that John had claimed to have been visited by Mary. Specter on numerous occasions. This must have been deeply troubling for John. According to another testimony, John, had spoken to his colleague Felix mccloskey about Mary after her death. Just like Daniel Suicide. Note, there's room for interpretation. Fernando told me that he has inquired with you about a possible candidacy for what for mayor? Of course that I refused what for it to be? A paddle lost before it began my past associations. They mom, my reputation. What associations drawn? John Why have we stopped? A chill comes over me whenever I am in the vicinity of that of what that damned, House. At malevolent entity has driven me out of the political sphere, my word is that Mary's House don't say name. You'll hear you. John it has cursed me. His kept me from advancing in my professional pursuits. It has cast the darkest cloud of buff me. Tis done and over with his never over. I was arrested some years back and questioned, and you were released for lack of evidence. Tis that not enough you have to understand. I hadn't anything. Directly to do with it. Please Felix tell me, you understand. It is unclear what John Anderson meant by this. Perhaps he was suddenly admitting that he paid for the abortion that ended up killing her, and while the botched procedure would explain why the corner thought she'd been brutally violated by three or more assailants. It doesn't explain the marks on her neck right. Why would she need to be strangled if she died from complications during the operation, because maybe she wasn't dead. Maybe, the procedure did go wrong, but Mary was only injured or in critical condition, and knowing that this error could put him out of business or in jail. The doctor killed married silencer. Hoping the problem would go away and maybe mrs loss helped him and those boys of hers too. Now that we've discussed both John Anderson and Daniel Payne two of Mary's possible lovers. There's another jilted Bo-. We have to inquire about you. Mean Alfred Crumlin Mary's first fiance while he didn't factor into the investigation much, there is one anecdote worth mentioning. Are you talking about? The Red Rose? I am apparently before Mary left for hoboken. She went by Alfred's law office for a visit. Many wasn't there he had. Had gone out to lunch with some associates on his door was a slate for people to leave messages. Mary left an enigmatic message. A Red rose that she hung from the door. Was this some kind of secret signal? Who knows Alfred was quickly cleared of any suspicion? Though much like Daniel, was he a pretty solid alibi? It's well. He was out with friends. The nightmare disappeared, but we must ask. Even though Alfred Daniel John may have had alibis. Couldn't any one of them have engineered her death from afar? It's possible, but considering the lack of technology at the time that may have been fairly difficult. Well now that the abortion story has come out was forced to change the ending of his story to parallel MRS losses revelations in this new version Maria rosia died from a fatal accident. Wallet Madam De Luke's Tavern. And her body was thrown into the river to cover it up. The story was republished in eighteen, forty five in a collection of Poe's short stories. The revised edition included a detailed footnote addressing this. Sadly Poe didn't strike it rich with this endeavor. Kicking himself now wishing he'd only come up with a different story one about a vampire in love with a high school student or one about teenagers who have to kill each other in order to survive well. Although died penniless. He helped transform American literature and launched the popularity of the murder mystery for more on Edgar Allan Poe and the bizarre circumstances of his death. Check out his episodes of unsolved murders. The back to Mary Rogers. Let's review the main suspects in her murder. Folk I. There's Daniel Payne Fiance with a temper and a drinking problem who killed himself by ingesting too much opium and left a suicide asking for God's forgiveness second. There's John Anderson. Married. Boss and possible lover who gave her alone in secret and said strange things. Things to a colleague, regarding her death, not to mention admitted to being haunted by Ghost, and may have engineered pose writing of the mystery of Marie row J. to distract investigators from the true killer, and so far the deck seems stacked against him. Who then there's Mrs loss and her three sons. Mrs Loss presented supposed evidence from the crime in order to get reward money from the newspaper, and admitted honored deathbed to facilitating an abortion for Mary which may have actually been the cause of death, and then there's Edgar Allan Poe. who had such intimate knowledge of the case the perhaps he played an active role in her killing, but like we said that's a bit of a stretch near for strictly considering evidence, and finally the last detailed theory, and the least satisfying. It's the theories. Authorities settled on that Mary was captured by some local thugs and taken to the ticket where she was violated, and then killed personally I think Mary went to hoboken in secret. She and the physician checked into the in where he was supposed to perform. Perform an abortion agreed and Mrs loss helped organize the procedure like she probably had done many times before for others like Mary, but this time it went terribly wrong. Mrs Las panicked. She asked her sons for help making them accomplices in Mary's death in the cover up right and somehow the physician basically disappeared from all of this. Maybe he was involved in the dumping of her body. Maybe not this theory does seem the most likely. It's the one with the most detail which makes it more believable. But there's something that's still bugs me about this one. If Mrs loss had been involved in the murder. Why would she have come forward with information? That could lead back to her. You mean turning over Mary's close to the investigators right? It just doesn't quite compute. Why would she involve herself? Issue is truly guilty seems very risky or maybe she thought she could get away with it. Or maybe she really wanted that reward. The Herald was offering. Unfortunately, the pieces donate up to clear cut answers. That's why this remains an unsolved murder listeners. Who Do you think did it and why join the conversation on facebook or answer our twitter poll podcast network? This oppose locations of this crime. The in thicket have since been paved over as part of the entrance to the Lincoln Tunnel, the physical remnants of this ghastly mystery have long been buried much like the truth of what happened to the famous Cigar Girl of New York City, but her legacy lives on the nature of her murder, the poor handling of the investigation and the media frenzy that followed all led to the creation of a more structured judicial system in eighteen, forty five New York City. City made us history when it founded the first full time. Professional police force in the country. Would this have happened? If Mary had not been killed? It's hard to know the ripple effect of Mary's charms and entry was far reaching, but we can't forget. She affected locals. especially the men she came in contact with on a daily basis, wanted mirer, so inspired by Mary wrote a poem in her honor and the New York. Herald published it. Here's a sampling of that owed to the cigar girl. She moved amid the bland perfume that breathes of Heaven's Balmy. I'll her is, said star lights as your gloom, and a glimpse of heaven her smile. Despite how beautiful and a theory that sentiment is, we can't end on that note alone. We have to look at the entirety of Mary Story. It was an event that not only included the death of Mary herself, but also the tragic suicide of Daniel Payne and the fatal shooting of Mrs, loss near his murder also haunted the life of John Anderson. One of Of Her closest confidants in the man who first discovered her talents at the time, the tragedy of Mary Rogers shocked the nation, and cast a shadow on the romanticize delusion of New York City, and we could say that Mary story can be likened to that of fine cigar. It starts out smooth and intoxicating, but leaves all those involved with a bitter after-taste. Don't forget to subscribe to unsolved murders on itunes Google play, soundcloud, stitcher, or any other podcast director through our website PARKAS DOT com. That's P. A. R. C., A. S., T., DOT, com a new episode of unsolved murders comes out every Tuesday. Don't forget to visit our podcast facebook page. You can also tweet us at podcast network. That's a C. St Network. We thank you for listening. Then hope you'll join us next Tuesday for another episode of unsolved murders. If you enjoyed this episode, Tell your friends I'm Wendy. Mackenzie and I'm Carter Roy. We'll see you next time. If weightlift live till next time. 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106: Planning For Your Future Wealth with Megan Gorman from The Wealth Intersection

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106: Planning For Your Future Wealth with Megan Gorman from The Wealth Intersection

"Welcome to the bigger pockets. Money podcast show number one hundred six where we interview. Megan Gorman from the wealth intersection and get her story of financial independence. So what you're hearing from me is be reasonable on return assumptions but be aggressive on a flood -lationist options and really focus on your spent because that on regardless of what acid base. You have those three things drive success although hello hello. My name is Mindy Johnson and with me as always is my wonderful wonderful co host. Scott Trench Scott and I are here to make financial independence less scary less just for somebody else and show you that by following the proven steps you you can put yourself on the road to early financial freedom and get money out of the way so you can lead your best life a straight wherever you are in your financial or life journey you can begin. 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I v. e. l. y. m. e. dot com slash B. P. M. O. N. E. Y.. uh-huh okay huge. Thanks to the sponsor of today's show. Mega Gorman from the wealth intersection welcome to the bigger pockets. Money podcast and happy New Year. Happy New Year Mindy and Scott thrilled to be here. I'm so excited to have you. I met you on an episode of Kirk podcast. And you just wow. You were really really really knowledgeable about money and then I went into your about me page and I see that Meghan. Gorman is the founding founding partner of checkers financial management. She's also an attorney a former congressional page a former. VP of financial counseling. Goldman Sachs where he worked on tax planning and estate planning so this show is being listened to by a variety of people our loyal listeners. And thank you so much for coming back. Loyal listeners are on their path to financial financial independence. But we're also releasing this. The beginning of January and a lot of people are thinking to themselves. It's a new year. I want to get my finances in order. I WANNA GONNA fix my financial life so too could be on the path to financial independence and live the best life that I wanna live making. Let's see if you're qualified to talk about money. Heck let's try. Where does your journey with muddy begin so first of all I love the idea of money stories and and my early early interactions with money store? Money really started when I was about five. And so I'm GonNa date myself a little bit but I was five in. Probably Nineteen in eighty one and I was obsessed with the little house on the prairie books and I lived in town that had country store and in in the country store. They sold little prairie dresses that you could wear as a five year old and I remember we went in the store and address. Arrests was twenty five dollars and in Nineteen eighty-one twenty. Five dollars was a lot of money. It's still eleven money today but it was a lot of money and for five year old. It was a incredibly audibly large sum of money. I remember my mother looked at it and she was like look. You're not really gonNA wear this. You know that you're just going to be a waste of money. No and I was very persistent. I was like no no no. I really want this dress. So you know when you're five you really don't have that many money making opportunities so my parents said. Look if you save your birthday money if you do chores around the house like cleaning out the dishwasher you know putting the water is setting the table putting water on the table for dinner will pay you you for these chores. You can save your birthday money Christmas money and then if you still want the dress you can go buy it so over the course of about eighteen eighteen months. I saved my pennies literally pennies because I think my parents gave me like ten cents to clean out the dishwasher and we had to hold chart and I I got the twenty five dollars. I had some birthday money too and I remember going down to the country store and going in and buying eyeing the dress and my parents. I think we're so happy that I did this. That they ended up buying me the bonnet that went with it. And I gotTa tell you I got my money's money's worth at a twenty five dollar dress because I dressed up and played. Laura Ingalls Wilder for years so it was a great money story. But I'll tell you one thing that's interesting Eh. When I met my husband's I asked him his money story right just sort of curious and he had the exact same story except he he wanted? He's he's a little older than me. So it was like nineteen seventy. He wanted a ten speed bike and he did chores and worked his death store to raise the money so I always been. It was sort of interesting interesting that we found each other with very similar money stories. That's really interesting. I also had a little little house on the Bonnet because you know what I'm talking about. 'cause I was embedded editing the show so from a very early age it sounds like your parents. Were not giving you everything that you wanted. which is really the best way to raise kids in my opinion because when you give them what they want? They don't appreciate it. If your mom would have bought that dress for you. Would you have appreciated as much. I will be not at the level that I did and and look I mean it was different times back then and I grew up in a very small town that was not you know. Most people are middle class so it was not uncommon for people to be told. Now you can't we can't afford this and so on. It was a very common chowder experience with my peers as well. It wasn't like my parents were telling me no and everybody else around. Roundly was getting great toys. Let me tell you as a mom now. It's really hard to say. No because everybody else is getting everything. I've got a twelve year old and she's constantly asking for a phone and like I don't I want to buy you a phone. I WANNA phone. What am I going to get a phone? I don't know when you can buy it yourself. It's really hard it's hard to have these boundaries and know what's right because you're you're trying to figure out what's the right values for yourself for your child and then you've got community around you so it's it's a tough thing as a parent yet is. How did your money story evolve evolve over the next couple of years in high school and college well? It's interesting so I grew up a beach town in southern New Jersey so I literally my hometown is the southernmost Thomas Tip of New Jersey. It's called Kate. May and when I was a kid growing up kate. Nee had a three-month economy so think about that because it was Torian vacation resort. Now today it has about nine ten months economy but was very common was for us when we were kids to when we finally got her working papers to become busters at restaurants and work your way up to waitressing. And so for me. When I got to the point where I can start busting waitressing being? My Dad made it a requirement that I had to be able to contribute a certain amount of money to my college education every year and at vacation he should resort where you're making a couple of hundred dollars a night as a waitress I could save up about five. Grand is summer so for me I have always correlated working really hard with making money and I've always liked the fact that I had that power to do it now to be very honest when I got to college edge I had learned how to make money. I didn't know how to manage money and when I started college in one thousand nine hundred ninety four I remember getting to my dorm room and I got all these credit card applications and your kid in the candy shop Zilog. Wow they're offering the money and I applied for credit cards. And unfortunately I rode uh-huh Created huge credit card debt and I did not have cash flow to manage it and so eventually I had to do payoffs with the credit card companies and it was a really hard hard experience to go through because up until that point I found money very empowering and how I interacted with money and this was sort of shameful moments and you know I think today a day what I find in when you read about people are money stories. My experience was actually quite comet but I always sort of learned from that experience. which was I always want to make sure that I didn't spend more than I have And so that that sort of led me to a path with money because even the lawyer I was attracted to tax law and out of the gate I worked for a subsidiary of Goldman Sachs where money was very key component of what I did on everyday basis this so what was your position upon graduating college. That that struggle to pay off the credit card debt. Come before during or after your graduation it came right it before and so I did the payoffs with the company. I worked a little that summer to help finish paying that off and then you know I got rid of the credit card debt but but I am in that last group of people that came out with some student loan debt but I was able to defer my student loan debt and actually took a year off between college and Law School before. Yeah I went to law school and I actually picking a State University. Go to law school to manage my student. Loan debt effectively so that lesson in in college taught me a lot for when I was in law school and then when I got out of law school because when I graduated law school I had about. I think with gifts that I got from people had two thousand dollars in my bank accounts and I had to figure out how to get an apartment in North Jersey. Get a car by a work wardrobe because back. When I started work you had to wear full suits in today? They were much more business casual but eighteen years ago. It was a different story so it was a lot of struggling and sacrificing. I mean when I look back at my twenties I'm always like Gosh. You know women. Today they dressed so nicely they have nice person. I was just really struggling to get by but you are struggling to because he didn't want to incur additional debt. That didn't air correct anyone. Kurt debt and also my student loans. When I graduated law school started to have to be? He paid and I had a very limited Valerie and I had to make it work and at that point in time I was living in Hoboken New Jersey. which is one of the more expensive metro area areas and I think coming out of out of law school? You know I mean I think I think back to my starting salary. I think I was making close to fifty thousand dollars. The student loan debt with paying rents with getting a car. You know at eight into very quickly. What was your student loan debt when you graduated from law school so my student loan debt was about eighty five thousand dollars? So what's interesting is as I said I'm not last group that came out. I graduated law school in two thousand and two and one of the reasons I went to rutgers law is the tuition when I was there was ten grand a year of law school in Comparison Cornell law where my brother went was like thirty five to forty thousand so I was getting a deal but when I graduated law school. I'm the last group that was able to really re consolidate their student student. Loan debt at a very low rate. So what I did is with my private loans. I aggressively paid them off within three years graduating law school but with my public debt I refinance them an I have not paid it off. I still have I think. Sixty thousand dollars a student loan debt but pay interest rate of three percents and so oh my payments. I mean. They're very they're less than five hundred dollars a month and so I look at it a little differently in this one path. I don't think it's the right path for everybody buddy but I always look at it as these loans because their public loans at my desk they go away. My spouse does not inherit them and I think I can make more money in the S. and P. Five hundred so I have made a strategic choice to leverage my debt but only made that strategic choice after I paid off my my private low debt which was much more expensive though there's a lot of nuance I think to debt planning and I feel very comfortable with the debt. Planning I have. When when did you begin making that conscious decision? Or what kind of like in your journey with money up after graduation from law school was that like Oh a plane out from beginning. Because I'm good with this. That's right away in a clear plan or that evolve over time it evolved so little bit Baxter. How it got into money is when I was in law school? I had to take a tax course course it was a prerequisite at the time. It isn't today for my law school and I got to tax and it clicked for me and that opened doors in employers for me because I looked at companies like pricewaterhouse waterhouse I looked at companies like Ernst and Young I looked at companies like Goldman Sachs and withdrew me to Goldman Sachs of all of them was I was like well look even if it only lasts for years to learn about money and I don't know anything about money so once I started working there in understanding budgets and the fact of how the SNP performs Ormes investing. I embraced investing and had a lot of comfort with it. I knew I had to get rid of the expensive debt but the cheap debt. I was like well look. I'm not going to rush out duke. Play it off because one. I can't afford to to you know at that time I was so desperate to try to fund my Roth. IRA and fun to four one K.. I really wanted to have actual actual assets make sense to me. Is there an interest rate that you recommend people do start paying off your three percent and I am on your side. I think that Ed three percent loan is like practically free. I am even older than you are. And I remember mortgage rates when they were fourteen percent and like that's unheard of now. Nobody understands that. We've got these ridiculously low rates. I would rather like you not half that three percent and put more money in the stock market but is there a threshold where you recommend that they start. I the thing is I think there's a lot of nuance to it. So one you know you've got to think about. Are you able to deduct your student loan debt right your student loan interest now there's AGI phase out on that. So I think for a lot of people. There are still tax benefits so you know and and this goes to some things that I really truly believe from a personal finance perspective which is to really be financially independent financially savvy you have have to have active tax engagements and so one of the things I would tell people is when you look at your student. Loan debt talk to your tax person. Are you getting any tax benefits from it because you might particularly for young people starting out there. Is that student loan deduction but I would tell you probably I would get nervous to student. Loan interest rates when they start crossing about five percent knew when I build out my portfolio. Personally I'm targeting on an annualized basis about six six and a half percent annualized return from need a win in the essence. You know over the long term five would be sort of where I would start to get apprehensive about it and the other thing I would tell people is I really did studies on on looking into my dispositive provision of What would happen when I died because I wouldn't want that to be a burden on my family and I figured out really early on the private debt my family or my spouse was going to have to to deal with it if I passed away based on the loans that I had at the time? That's really interesting so I think it's it's something we'd the student loan process not to get away soapbox. It's so convoluted and I've had to go through it. I don't have children children so I'm sort of someone without any skin a game in the sense. But I've had to go through with family members with family friends and there's no counseling in in the beginning of what choices you're making you know when I sat with family members ran out numbers for them to make them understand what the repayments will look like. It was really eye opening opening for that and I think unfortunately the system doesn't do enough to get you counseling on your way in. And that's that's a challenge. I think for most Americans. I don't know I I love it. So you're coming out of law school with eighty thousand dollars in debt and thousand dollar income. And you're thinking how do I you know over a period of a year a couple of years. It sounds like you're involved in this process and you're saying how do I acquire assets assets assets of all the things from there. How does your career and wealth progress in that timeframe frame so one of the things I did and I honestly? I think everyone needs to do it when they're going into colleges. I always knew that making money was important a to me. I don't think it's shallow to say that I always knew I wanted to have a big career big job and I knew that if I invested in my education it would reap rewards awards so always knew by taking on debt. I would eventually be able to build the acid base to sustain and manage the debt and so that was something something that was always in the back of my mind so what I challenge people on it I do this and I work with high net worth individuals on a day-to-day basis. But when I sit down with their kids because a lot attends we'll do is. We'll sit down with my clients child with their five twenty nine plan and we'll show them some of the various schools. They want to apply to to see how far the five twenty nine money will go. Oh when it sounds when looks like they won't have enough in the five to ninety cover the education we start to talk about career choices. What is the career trajectory? How does one and make money in that career path and based on that? How do you take that back to your financial decision making on taking student loan debt and using your five twenty nine and I think and I came to that conclusion because I did a lot of that with my own process? I knew my twenties my twenty s were going to be about struggle financially and I knew that and it was funny because literally only when I turned thirty I got a very large salary increase of promotion. That started to change everything for me financially where I didn't have to budget every last dollar I could do different different things with my money. Can you walk us through kind of what that looked like in the workplace then from a career standpoint what did you put yourself in position to get that. Huge promotion and career boost worked a lot. Some of it is just getting in there finding career path that you're good at and really learning all aspects of it which and you know at the time is in my twenties. The gentleman I worked for at the time I'd be like I'm ready to take on clients. I've been working for you for three years. I WANNA take our clients. It's in. He would slow me down. Is You know try to gain more experience. It will help you in the long run and it was frustrating because I was struggling running paycheck to paycheck and ultimately what he said was right because by the time I started to take on clients and work directly with Clients Have Myo Book of clients. I had a lot of experience that propelled me quite quickly in growing my income and growing my asset base. And I gotTa tell you I always think think with financial success. A lot of struggle is a good thing you know having the ability to have to say I really like I remember living in hoboken wanting go out New York City and only having enough money to pay for my my path ticket I was going to say the Bart which is San Francisco my ticket and a cocktail and that was all I had like I could could not go out and and go from Club to club when you're in your twenties because I only have a limited amount of money and so I feel I have a lot more appreciation today because I struggled so much my twenties. What was kind of the relative size of this increase was An pay and I mean I've lived into six figures so so that made a very big difference and for me. The biggest accomplishment was what I could finally Max out my 401k. That was huge goal for me and even today I'm fortunate I get to maximize four one K.. and My IRA. I'm no longer able to do the Roth. But it's such a big deal to be able to put note for twenty nineteen. It was twenty five thousand but if you think about it twenty five thousand over a decade quarter million dollars and to me that feels accession accomplishment and I tell people that all the time because I work with really wealthy individuals and people think the wealthy have it easy. It's all the same problems we all deal with. The same issues with they are able able to do is do more of the piecing together of all the small stating that makes it seem bit and that sort of the secret. I've learned over the years is that is that that would the surplus all went to maxing out the four one K.. And other assets. or how did your kind of create piecing together of assets changed after your income changed. Yes so first of all total Gen xer. So what is the first big thing I did. When I started to make money? I bought a house and I bought a place in Hogan's so I would always tell people you know I love of real estate. I have a lot of comfort with real estate. But it's all about location location location because I ended up taking advantage of the first time home buyer roles. which is you know you could put three percent down on a house to take on PM? And so on. But I got into a place in hoboken that had a parking spot as anyone can tell you in some of these cities harking spots breath through the real value in a property as and I basically was cash for with the House. This is right before I got the big promotion and unbeknownst to me I doubled my money any in the house in about three years and that was a big eye opener because I was able to scrimp and save to get the house and how myself propel power and that has helped me buy houses since then we're getting awfully close to two thousand eight two thousand nine in this time line. What Year did you buy your house? So actually I bought the house in two thousand four Soga in two thousand six and then I bought a house in California in two thousand seven so I they did go through the downturn. I did watch my house drop in value but again so and this is really important. I'm playing the long game right. And I didn't have the money in two thousand eight but I was advising very wealthy individuals in two thousand eight. And what did I do with that is I said well I had my client. It's money what would I do. Oh I see by and I had more clients buy second homes in late. Two Thousand Eight early two thousand nine than any other point my career because they had the opportunity to do it and so the thing that I didn't know eight nine is I was able to I. I actually haven't in my Roth. IRA and I like to look at it. Every every muscle because I can see the actual return on it from the piece that I bought my action of bought a bought my Roth. Ira On march. I think it was like March. Twelve thousand nine nine and the market had bottomed on the night it was just accidental. But I'm very proud of the fact that I did buy at the bottom and I had a lot of clients do that. And some of my clients Ryan didn't want to do anything. And then I had other clients that plowed a lot of cash into the market and they were rewarded for taking on that risk and so a lot of the work. I'm doing right now with clients in Greenwich High Net worth space. But I think this is true for everyone is a lot of the economists. See a recession coming and so today it's about that batting down the hatches making sure your allocations working while that you're accurate fixed income target. But it's also about thinking about okay if we have a pullback and your fixed communication gets larger where do you want to deploy to. Is this the time to take cash and buy a house to buy a second home by rental property is deployed back into equities. These this is about you know for those of us who lived through eight. It's really important to remember the experience and learn from it on how we can try to take advantage. And when market valuations come down. I think they're awesome points with respect to your journey with with buying the house. Did you start buying other rental prop like what was your overall asset allocation. You were putting money into the S. and P. Five hundred under regular basis and then buying houses after you sold your hoboken property that journey go yes so I have a big belief in real estate that I liked to own a nice locations. I believe that anytime tender is a chance that the you know if you buy a good location even when the market drops you have a good chance of coming back so I was very fortunate. I ended up being able wants to buy in on the beach in southern California. I bought the worst house on the best street so literally. I still own the house today today. It is the tiniest house on the best street but it has actually increased in value. And so that's what I look for in terms of owning real estate is location. Because I do believe that certain places they're not making any land moorland rights. So today I own four properties in very different locations but all of them are in locations that I believe over the long term will sustain themselves got into where I where are are these properties. They played like yeah so they are. It's other California in the bay area in Lake Tahoe. And then I I have a family member living at house in the East Coast that I own which I think is more common than people realize to being a member of the sandwich generation you you know as we go through the pension crisis what I say. The pension crisis meaning the elimination from the pension from the American financial system. I think more and more of US have have to take steps to help family members older family members lube in their houses and so that was sort of one of the things I had to make a decision on and I think as I. It's funny funny. As I talked to. More people in their forties and fifties and sixties. A lot of US had taken no steps to help family members. I think it's an interesting perspective. That will probably apply to a lot of people listening to this show. especially if you kind of start putting away money and that kind of stuff you're going to have this power this ability to help others and you know that's GonNa be something that's on the radar in terms of how you're planning thinking because just think about most people starting but most people can afford the monthly payments. It's getting getting them in a property or helping them subsidize the monthly payments soon with interest rates so low. You know when you think about helping older family members like your parents right you can send checks home right but doing some things where maybe you can pick up. Appreciation on an asset over. The long term is something that factor into your decision making. It's not the right choice for everybody. Everybody but when we're faced with these decisions is particularly working with our parents. I try to encourage people to be strategic not tactical and what I mean and by that is most people when they're handling issues from the generation that are above them. They're making decisions to sort of. Stop a crisis in a moment right to sort of if you know. Fill in a little gap to try to work. And I think it's good to take a step back and think strategically which is look when you because we're all living so longer money is intergenerational `rational if one person is financially successful but the generation above them or below them or not. That's GonNa pull on the person in the middle and vice versa. Right if the I love you is is financially successful. And you're struggling. You've gotta work together. It's too intertwined web and so I think when you think about working with the different generations in your family try to be strategic because you want to also take some benefit from it as well because it's sometimes it's use of your capital. I think it's great all right. 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What was the point at which you may be crossed the the Hump you know I? It seems like an income. It happened in your thirties. When you said hey my asset position is going to snowball snowball from here? So I mean I'm I'm a worrier by nature so you know you never fully feel that you are at a point where you're in a great situation because you're dealing with things both big picture than the day to day but I would say probably around thirty six thirty seven years old because of how my career grew. I was able able to do that now. I will tell you what I have gotten more comfortable with as I ask. Basis stabilized is taking on risk. I'm far more comfortable to to be you know when I look at my investment portfolio. I'm pretty aggressive. There's a lot of writing out there particularly personal finance. That women are not aggressive investors. You you know I find that. Women are encouraged to be great really aggressive investors. But it's about getting comfortable with the risk but I also then started to get into more complicated investments. So why do you. I've been very fortunate to do some private equity. I do some angel investing and then at the same time I was able to take some of my savings and I started my own personal arsenal firm so I wanted to make sure that in having my own business I always owned my own business but these were things I thought long and hard about took risks John and I will tell you. I don't have children so that also changes the dynamic because I'm taking risks that impacts me and my husband but I'm not refunding five twenty. Well I do help her plans for nieces and nephews but I do not have an education obligation to be worried about what is a position incapable of taking on risks. Like what you just described. Look like deal look when I start working with clients. I always want them to follow the not traditional roles of cash flow management. So I like people to have six to nine months worth of cash in a savings account now is your income grows. WHO's that number grows to me? The ability to have a significant a dry powder on the sidelines is important. And Look I say this because I think we all are I think one of the most traits being American is to be aspirational rates. And so when I started out my twenties trying to get a couple of thousand dollars in the bank that was a big deal for me got to the point of okay. Could I have twenty five thousand fifty thousand dollars just sitting and Dr Heller just to have cash rush. 'cause there's nothing that feels you build better than opening your bank account and seeing a really lovely number there so that started to shift my mindset and then honestly honestly it's about talking to people right. I'm fortunate I work with high net worth individuals to get to debate ideas with them all the time and what I love about working with them as they challenge me as much as I challenged them about how to look at the markets about how to take on risk and it just you start to do the math and you realize okay if I take on on this. It's one percent of my portfolio if it went to zero. How would I feel usually when I start to look at this wealth went to zero? At least I'd get the tax loss out of it right so it doesn't it does have value. But look I mean it's it's all about finding your comfort level and the one thing I've always believed about myself about money is I've always wanted to be financially successful even when I was the five-year-old buying my little little house on the prairie dress I knew I wanted wanted to be financially successful. I also know today that I'm probably GonNa live a long time. So that at forty three taking the risks I take today by you know. Investing asset classes like emerging markets or cannabis or things like that. I'm not expecting them to pay off today. I'm expecting them to pay off when I'm seventy eight years old and I'm willing to look at it from that perspective and I think that it's all about the long game earlier in this program. You said that you expect a six and a half percent sent annual return on your capital right. Yeah that's the analyzed your confidential growth rate right but it sounds like what you're saying is I'm going to have a large the bucket cash in a really airtight financial position. So I have a question. Maybe I'll just basketball. Do you really expect six and a half percent or are you aiming being much higher than that and conservative underwriting your performance to six and a half percent so most of my clients are corporate executives they owned businesses businesses that they sell rate wealth is created by concentration rate by taking on a lot of risk high standard deviation right I believe diversification preserves growth over the long term at a reasonable rate of return. So I truly believe six two six nine percent might target target. That is the best way to approach it and that's because I have very reasonable expectations now a yearly this year were getting. I haven't run by performance channel my portfolio. But I would say probably you know. I know in double digit returns You know now some of I have I read to my portfolio right. This has been a fabulous appear to be But it also makes me apprehensive. Because I'm like okay. I got a trim that position. Because there's no guarantee that rates will continue at this rate of return. Turn going forward right. So it's more about having a reasonable expectation what my money will do over the long term that I think allows me to stay grounded and be practical and look. I mean I'll give you an example. My husband and I to the house next door to us in southern California came on the market and it was a steel deal because it needs to be renovated. And we're like wow we could buy this and renovate it and then sell a great profit but what we did is we actually ran the numbers. And what would cost us to buy renovated an actually sell it. A net net when we looked at the return our invested capital Puyo Not for the risk we were GONNA take on. We were not going to be rewarded at the level. We WanNa be net net once factored in the tax. So I just try to be very pragmatic about what I'm doing and set reasonable expectations. And that's also what I do with. Clients diversified portfolio is slow and steady Wins the race right. It's the tortoise not the hair and I tell clients at anyone who comes to work with me and says they want constant double digit returns. It's unrealistic with how the markets work it can happen. Uncertain years is a great year. Twenty nineteen was a great year. But we don't know yeah. This brings up a very interesting point. I don't like to lose money at all and I love to project that I'm going to have a twenty five percent return but that's not realistic whereas if you project a six and a half percent return learn and you get a twenty five percent retard like that's amazing. I think being realistic is the best course of action. And you're doing this for returns. Thirty thirty years down the road. I think people need to keep that in mind when you're investing it is for the long term. You should use other vehicles to invest best for shorter term cash flow like you said or or have play account right. I work with wealthy individuals in all of these. These people have a little count on the side that they have fun west and they try to go for short term return but then the bulk of the assets are putting more long-term facing investments investments. Well Yeah and what if you said earlier. Oh if I take one percent and I- risk it if you've got a hundred thousand dollar portfolio that's only a thousand dollars that you're risking and if it goes to zero like the lowest it can go is two zero right. It's not GonNa go negative and then you owe money. It's just going to go to zero so and check. The tax loss in the tax office says worth four hundred dollars to you depending what bracket you're in so you've got to think about it in that context or the other ninety thousand dollars you have have is presumably in safer assets or a mix of riskier and safer assets so at six and a half percent. Which is I? I feel low but I don't have the money expertise that you do it all the tax expertise that you do but at six and a half percent you've already made sixty five hundred dollars you've covered your loss on this riskier thing but the risk has a greater reward so I like how much of your portfolio do you risk or are put into vulgar. So were probably deke about the portfolio. We're probably about thirty percent fixed income. So I do believe fixed incomes the ballast to the portfolio. I'M A Californian so I do have municipal bonds. I do have had credit quality. Total return bonds. And then it's about seventy percents in the equity market both public and private when you talk about your high net worth clients. Sorry I'm Kinda transitioning here. I don't know what is a high net worth client. What is what is the definition of that? Well first of all when you tell them they're high net worth like no. I don't feel that way you know. It's a really tricky he situation. I think a lot of it depends where you live in the country because someone could have an acid base here in San Francisco and not feel that they have a a lot of money and then move to a place like my hometown and it would be a large of money. I think that high net worth really starts about five million of assets in above breath and ultra high net worth twenty five to thirty million and above. And I'll tell you one thing about working with that group. Most people find surprising is the biggest thing I spend most of my time on is cash flow management which is the high net worth way of saying budgeting rights and people are always surprised. When I tell them the it sounds fancier but everyone whether you're making thirty thousand or three million a year everybody everybody struggles with expenses and I have to have some very difficult? Discussions of people were state. You know it sounds crazy to most average American's is what I'm saying. Look you're living on seven hundred thousand dollars a year and we need to scale it back and they're saying I can't right but truth matters everybody struggles struggles with this budgeting and partly is because it's so psychological right the idea self sacrifice the idea of working for the future self. But what would I tell. Everyone is and I talked about this on the right now which is playing the long game. It's also looking at your expenses over the long term and when you run long-term remodeling you have to try to blow it up and what I mean by that is right. Now we're in a low inflationary period. Right I mean like what two percents. That's I mean I'm I'm forty three if I make it to ninety. We're going to go through some high inflation periods so what I try to show clients that I suggest to anyone who's modeling. Their money is show periods of time of high inflation over the long term. And see on your spending how that starts to implode your asset base in really. That's what you're you know. Some of the savings savings you're doing is to help you help yourself in those tough periods of time you're sort of hearing from me is be reasonable on return assumptions but be aggressive on floods assumptions and really focus on your spent because that regardless of what acid base. You have those three things drive success. Okay so the financial independence retire early movement is largely predicated on the four percent. Rule the study. Not that William did about past performance in all of that wins your opinion of the four percent rural so first of all I mean I. That's the rule from the nineties. I sort of subscribe more to the dynamic withdraw theory which is sort of the evolution of the four percent rule. which is that there is a band of you can withdraw from your portfolio within certain bands? And be okay because not every year is going to be a static. Four percents right. You know give you an example. This year I had to get my roof fixed. Roofs are expensive great. So that means my cash flow expanded this year so I believe there's a reasonable band of returns now when I work with clients would I work with them on and I actually illustrated out is I find. They can usually go as high up as six percent. 'cause you remember where a lot of client portfolios were target between six and seven percents so I find that they go six percent a year annually on withdrawal before they start to implode unwind the portfolio. But I think for most people starting at four her what I like about it is it gives you some room for error and life is uncertain. Right things happen to all of us at all times if you're targeting four percent and it means you took five five percent out because something happened like the roof where your child needed something or your parents needed something. You're keeping yourself in a safe stout okay. I think it's great. I think that the I I think that's a great way to look at it and to kind of it just goes down to cash flow management or budgeting into your return profile. That you're getting in in real time right. I think is what kind of what I'm hearing from you down. Yes but these high net worth individuals five million or twenty five and thirty million. What percentage of of that cohort that you're working with is self made in the sense that did it inherited? Yeah so it's interesting because I do have a mix of both I I would tell you. My firm is about eighty five percent self made note. I don't know is if I attract that right because I see myself a self it made so you attract who you are right but I love the stories so you talk a lot about money stories and I focus a lot of money stories when I get to work with really successful the people I love to hear how they made their money and what happened and what I find is it. What happens is a lot of time? Its ambition their smarts parts. But there's always to make this big jump a lot of times. There's a moment of luck. It's taking the job at the right moment for a lot of corporate executives it's deciding to move overseas for a few years with your family that often propels the power. But there's always just one indescribable moment. That makes a huge difference but if that moment didn't occur they would still be financially successful because a lot of them. One had high income into have disciplined and wells. Is that intersection of opportunity. Indiscipline because why people hire me you know. You can read a lot in a book about what I do do. My job is to make sure you have disciplined and put framework around the high income and to coach. You and to stay the client luck. You really should be doing differ compensation saving your money this way or look. I know you just cut that both Let's put some of it in the bond portfolio. Let's put some of it in the equity market. That's what's the discipline that I put around people and any for everybody writes whether you use a professional or you have a friend or family member that you can coach. Oh cheech other with or listening to great shows like this. You know that's what you need. Is You need the moment to have someone inspire you push you to execute on a financial. The plant. That is the hardest thing to do. is to actually move forward and I'll give you a great example. HSA's health savings accounts we talk about the all the time. They're really cool vehicles. How many times do I run into people say hey we talked about the? HSA Do you WANNA do. It is a friend or family member and they'll say you know what we had open enrollment woman but it just was too complicated. They didn't have the time to really read it so I just stuck with my regular healthcare plan. The moment of execution is the hardest part in financial planning to actually go forward and Jewett and when I give people credit for in the fire movement in the movements it's a great as loved Camaraderie but it's about execution. They are believing to get to this point doing it. And that's what so hard and it should be commended that they're doing. You know I think the way you phrased that right. It's it's these. Folks are high income earners disciplined and then a opportunity presents itself. They're able take advantage of that. Propels that into wealth like that is the best answer and the most believable answer to how people become wealthy in one generation that I've ever heard and I have never heard that phrase works. That's perfect and Lt. I can relate a little bit right because when I started needed this journey I was making reasonable income and saving my pennies and I house had a rental property. Rents out the other rooms things and I like to think that if I just kept that up for five ten years that I would have built a reasonable position I also happen to join a startup called bigger pockets as third employee and find myself as the CEO CEO of this company. I'll and we were recapitalization with a private equity firm all that Kinda stuff in the last year and so I find myself perhaps on track to be in this cohort of high net worth individuals relatively early in life because of that moment in that particular catalyst moment in time that one decision every Everley propelled it in in advance to that and so I just wanted to kind of that was I was wondering how you were kind of phrase how these people have become going on there and I thought that that I can just that makes a lot of sense to me what you described so yeah now we have some clients that talk of the struggle. They remember the years where they in their way for trying their husband and then we're trying to figure figure out how to make ends meet now. They're sitting there and they've got forty million dollars. It's the crazy story but the crazy part about it is a lot of these people who have a lot of I think a large asset basis. They still spend with when they didn't have a lot of money discipline word. Buffet lives in the sacred. His one an extravagant is to have a driver but he lives in. I mean it's when people say that he lives in the same house. It's a nice house but it's still hang from. What sixty years or something like that? He's he's lived in that house. So yeah that's my parents are. I don't know that they're high net worth as regards to your description. But they're certainly ultra high net worth in their own minds and they still are. Let's use the word Frugal and say they're extremely frugal. People all now something about Scott that he Scott story that he's not sharing is Scott also. Had that little bit of luck you were. Oh Yeah joined the third employee that it was handed a note to join. The startup. Was Luck you happened to be in the space that Josh was working at. You're like Oh wait. I know bigger pockets. I listened to their their podcast. You introduced yourself. You offered to help him. And then Josh had wasn't there something going on that weekend ended like screwed him up or something and he called you. He was like I need you to be here. Can you start remember that property to call me in for for the job after that but but yeah I think that that's that's the key to did. This whole thing is like you talk about risk profile right. You have a large cast position make you say. Hey here's what I'm going to That'll allow me to take these other risks. where I don't care if I lose that percentage right I think that's what good financial habits do in general not just on the investment side but maybe on the career side right you? You can't go on and take that overseas position or that. Whatever if you're living paycheck to paycheck and are unable to spend your money? Earner unable to keep a budget or or manager cash flow depending on our income you earn. I guess. That's the terminology that I love that by the way. But that's at I think Akita this is how do you put yourself position for that luck. Yeah and I I think the other thing I'll say is that's where I think we also have to think about it along gender lines because I think women often have less moments to take risk Decide to take different job because of so many of the different you know societal pressures on family pressures upon us right to have kids and so on and so you know what I try to encourage younger women when I when I mentor. Them is don't be afraid in your twenties to be aggressive with risk. Because you're trying to also also keep up when you're GONNA have to take a step back in your thirties when you're having kids so on and so women. Racing risks earlier allows that luck to happen happened earlier. Yeah I think that makes a lot of sense but I think that the other part of it is it is. It's a relational thing where you say it. Just it's what is that number that relationship to your psyche in terms of your risk profile right for you at six to nine months for some people maybe two years for some people maybe one month and I think that's kind of where the psychology of stuff comes in. So exactly you go to find the right fit for yourself. What was your cushion? When you jumped up to ship from worst company to work for in America to the Best Company to work for in America I had saved up? I would make an forty eight thousand dollars a year and I saved saved about twenty twenty five thousand of that depending on time from. Yeah Oh okay so you had a good six month cushion. Oh Yeah I think that's absolutely critical tonight. Ability to make that decision I would not have joined a startup with seven days. PTO and no notion of their or financial without without having some savings and Scott. You know when I started my firm. I didn't take a salary in the first year. Just I lived adopt my savings because again I had to take the risk and had to get it going and we're about to be five years old in March and it's been constant growth knock wood every year since but that first year the SACRA. If I didn't have the savings I couldn't have made the sacrifice to start the firm law that gets the price of intra premiership race. Kaz is whatever. You're comfortable with their gray hair. I will say having a red headed. Father has helped me not have any grey hair. Oh you're lucky very lucky. I didn't his red hair but I got the gray haired genes needs so that was pretty. Nice Nice okay make it. Is there anything else you WANNA share with our listeners. Before we moved to our famous for you know the the one thing I'm going to stay is because this is the first show of twenty twenty and a lot of the writing this could be out. There is what you should be doing for this year and I think just remember. This is the long game so I'd rather that instead of doing financial planning for yourself for the year ahead do it for the decade ahead and really think about where you WanNa want to be in twenty thirty and I know it's Sorta hard to think that way but if you look at just where the SNP was on January first twenty ten and where here it ended December thirty first twenty nineteen and Ziama to grew and how much you participated in it. Take that and apply to your life where you wanted to over the next decade. Where do you want your base debate? What and write down and send yourself a letter Put It in an envelope and open it in ten years and really figure out over this decade am I able to achieve financial independence. I was hoping for and it could be as simple as I wanNA make. Sure my ass basis where this us or I wanNA make sure you to be focused on being organized but have some goals for the decade. Because it's all about the long game that's the whole job is like a CEO and your whole life right like what does my ten year goal. What do I need to do consistently to take action towards that every single day this next year this next quarter this next month this next week and then you implement and implement amulet compounds forever so absolutely exactly hey famous for we? We're always ready but now now your turn Meghan what is your favorite finance book. My favorite finance book. Oh Oh that's tough okay. So you're gonNA laugh but I don't really read finance books I read a lot of books about about people. And so I would tell you that currently I would say my favorite finance book is the book right now hillbilly eligible and they bring it up because it's not that I'm learning a lot about financing it but were very unique inflection point in American society the generations before US had a lot of ability to propel themselves forward and when you read that book what it really tells me a more about is how hard it is to propel our now on sitting in San Francisco. We are overpopulated. Were over employed. Here I could plant Lanna quarter in the street and grow money tree. But that's not the case around the country is really lays out to me. The struggle to achieve the American dream that struggled to stave save and then also the struggle to get education. And I really believe that over this next decade the United States has to rethink our education system system in terms of being able to recreate the American dream. It is not the same. It is not as easy today to succeed as it was twenty. Eighteen thirty fifty one hundred years ago. And that's a problem so so I will tell you that tells me about personal finance and the struggles we all have. That's very interesting. Also go check. Get Out Ellen. I haven't heard that it's a great book but the story of by the way is About a boy who grows up in Appalachia and his grandparents came home from the war. They took a Factory jobs in auto industry and were able to move to the middle class and then in the seventies eighties. His parents dropped social status. And it's about that struggle. What was your biggest money? Mistake and Asked me thirty years of a I. You know okay. I think that I mean the credit card thing was probably one of the biggest. I don't know if I feel that people have mistakes as much. chaz everybody has to understand that their money goes through You have positive and negative experiences and there have been some negative experiences says that I wish I hadn't gone through but has helped me overall. Just turn to think that one of the things that just came to mind when you asked me. That question is is on. I got divorced about ten years ago and at the time you know I was very giving about the settlements right because I believed it was better to and things amicably known. At times I kick myself because Michael did I pay too much right so those types of things come to you at times but beyond the credit cards. There's nothing I really regret. Besides the facts I wish I had started my firm earlier. Boring answer Sir no straight answer. That's a great answer. I wish I would have taken the leap sooner. Maybe somebody who's listening now is thinking about doing something and and they hear you say. I wish I would have done this sooner. And they do it sooner so it's all it there's no bad answers. What is your best piece of advice for people who are or just starting out best piece of advice is you need to start out saving and budgeting and it should be made a ritual in your life so carve out an hour once a month and sit down and look at what you're spending and look at your saving and it's really hard to do but it it will make a difference and for anyone who's in their twenties start saving as early as possible? It is so integral that money will grow grow and grow and grow but it gets you trained to save and that's that's a big it's basic info it's basic advice but it's what we hear this basic advice that you're giving all the time and eventually somebody's going to hear that and say oh. Yeah I should track what I'm spending. I should make sure I'm saving money and it's basic but it's it's not like it's not true you know that's what it is it. There's no easy button and one of the things to keep in mind is wealthy. People have their kids start doing this in their teenage years in the early twenties. They make sure that their kids start saving and having these discussions so it's funny I write for Forbes anytime in article. About what the wealthy do it gets so many hits But that's I mean in a lot of it is they just make sure. The basics are covered with their kids. Are this last. Question is the most personal and challenging question So and I think you're going GONNA be surprised by this question all right. What is your favorite joke to tell at parties? God I'm not a person I don't think I have I'm not. I'm not a typically funny person that says to have one for you you do okay. I was writing something the other week and I got Yakuza and Jacuzzi confused and now. I'm in hot water with the Japanese. These mafia oh that's so that is so cute. Oh my goodness thank you for saving me. Had The ten thousand jokes. He is the joke master. I thought that was very cute so cute. Where can people find out more about you? Megan turn so if you want to find out more about me my writing and my speaking is at. WWW dot the wealth intersection dot com on twitter at wealth south intersecting on instagram. The Wealth intersection in my practice is checkers. Financial Management and Word San Francisco and checkers with the cue because because it represents a house in England that is the intersection of both family wealth transfer and self made wealth. Oh interesting I was wondering why it was spelled that way Okay and we will have all of these links in our show notes which can be found at bigger pockets dot com slash money. Show one zero six Meghan. You did not disappoint this way antastic. I was very surprised at the beginning when you said Oh I didn't know anything about money when I first started working so I learned. I'm like wow. You didn't know anything about money. You sure overcame that quick joke a Taurus so in the Ash Lodge World Tour Mrs are lovers of luxury builders of well maybe it's just astrologically preordained. That I would be good with money. A tourist to also a tourist. I have a tourist all right. Well this has been awesome. I really enjoyed our conversation in the show today and thanks. It's going to be help a lot of people I do too. Yeah Yeah and and for having young thank you and happy New Year and may twenty twenty and this whole next decade. Just treat you phenomenally you too. Thank you again. Happy New Year eggs. Happy New Year the

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A F'in Delicious Life!

The Working Experience

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A F'in Delicious Life!

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Whatever ninety three north is almost at a standstill yet. So rough one out there the scorings win sleep. There is no service on clear of the closing doors. Don't either report ASAP. Shaw meeting. I've worked the dream work. After the meeting. We'll have a breakout session. Is that? Hey, everyone and welcome to another episode of the working experience. I am here with Hoda and we are going to talk about her experience in the working life. And a host is an entrepreneur. She started a food truck and hold a want. You say Hello to our audience. And why don't you give us a little bit of a short like one minute bile about who you are. Okay. So out seven plus years ago. I was the director of marketing client relations for our company. I absolutely hated my job and mostly my boss. So I quit with no ideas of what it was going to do it myself. I took time to get healthy both mentally and physically I lost sixty pounds three months taught myself how to cook. And had this wild idea to start a food truck from there. I commercial. Sized my most popular selling item raised over a million and a half dollars and landed my beverages in whole foods throughout the northeast region and five hundred other retail locations. And then after that because I was mentally retarded and thought it would be a good idea to open up a restaurant because it's not like I had a life. Then anyway, so it was like, you know, what let me just do this show us I opened up a restaurant in Bushwick. Brooklyn called molly's milk truck. Sweet and savory my food truck was called molly's milk truck. And. Yeah, now, I'm just kind of hundred acre just kinda here here. Yeah. That's a great story. So you started out in the corporate world. And as our listeners know, I have a fondness for crapping on cubicle life one. Give us a once you walk us through that. I I'm assuming this was your first job out of college. Yes. This is my first I it was actually while I was still in college, and then it transitioned. Okay. Her actual, why don't you want you tell our listeners paint that picture for us? Okay. So I basically started at the company as the assistant to the vice president of the company, and then within about six months, she was gone, and I was doing her job and getting paid like a fraction of what she was getting paid and worked twice as hard because you know, as expected being that you're so young and you're coming at, you know, he knew he was getting cheap slave labor. You know? So he just work me like a dog. But yes, so like I started there though, as like the Starbucks girl, you know, like getting coffee and being a bench, and then I improved his systems so drastically and was able to find all these holes and all the systems that he had Musso he had no choice. But to let the woman who I was, you know, in essence reporting to go, and what kind of what kind of company. So it was a company that did it provided services for celebrity is and events and. I don't wanna get too deep into it. Because I'm like scared the skies. He's a lawyer too. And he's a mother fucker, really. Really? He'd be like, I don't use my real name, really happy. Yeah. Now it understand. So basically, it was like a service business that had to deal with event venues and large scale events and also private protection for like very high net worth individuals like a celebrity is or. Ex Chelsea Clinton people who are not like under secret service and stuff like that. And so we're you kind of like this wild ride thieves e Aston young grad numbers. I just I was a pleaser. I was up pleaser, and he knew it, and he just rode it all the way, I mean like I came in there just guns blazing. And was like I'm gonna make this place better. I'm gonna make this guy more money. Like that means that I'm gonna make more money. That's all I was thinking about and it just I did make a lot of money. I can't say that. I didn't I didn't make nearly as much as what I should have for the money that I was bringing in you know, to a company that was making three million dollars and having them make seven million dollars end of the year. Like, that's a big difference. And I should have got paid way. More in in hindsight. It's funny because employees really don't they're kept in the dark, and they really don't know like your average. Employees if they're getting paid. You know, let's say it's a hundred grand a year. Right. Very very good salary. Right. They are there. If it's a company like services business or creative shop, they're billing you out at five als. Als will so this is the one. So this is the part that actually like, you know, why I guess I was so salty about it is that even though technically there were literally two people running the company the guy who owned the company the vice president of the committee, and then an outsource team of like two hundred plus contract employees when I started was only like a hundred contract employed by the time, I was done. It was well over two hundred. But the point is that I was writing the contracts. I was billing the clients. I was invoicing I was collecting payments. So I actually I was writing the checks for all of the things that needed to payments need to be made out too. I knew exactly how much money he was making any exactly how much money I wasn't making. You know? So it just oh, yeah. And it just was like the wizard of house. I got mad. I was like what is wrong with this guy. Like, I had a similar. I was working freelance. And I saw the invoice that too. Me a while back to fifty bucks an hour sharing. They were billing me at two fifty now of what? Find out believe that I believe you're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. You're like I'm gonna murder this guy sign and Samina murderer to kill them and throw them in the hot out of big deal. You know, like it's like I'm gonna call my guy on a per cent on a percent, especially when you're doing quality work, if you were a jerk off, and you are just there to collect a paycheck. Okay. Great. You know, you're getting your fifty bucks grade. Like when you're. Cared about what I did. I read in that quality. So tell us. Just kind of walk us through those that those first couple years when did you know that you were working for Satan? Yes. Maniac? The slow at now it was scope so like they'll last year. So I was there for almost four years like more than three and a half years, but under for and I hadn't taken vacation once and I came to take my first vacation in all that time. And I really was just thinking about everything that had gone down at work. Like one example was at this point how long have you been at the job for over three and a half years the for years? So you know, I'm on the phone with clients. And you know, I was basically the only person dealing with all of our clients like he never dealt with anybody because nobody wanted to deal with him. He was just like an angry prac. So, you know, this client who we would pay us thousands and thousands of dollars to provide the service for them was on the phone with me. And you know, usually you're supposed to pay for the services fifty percent. When you sign the contract the other payment, you know, right before the services are provided, and they just hadn't paid. And I didn't care that year. They had a lot of fashion shows going on. I knew that it was just something that was in the pipeline. We would get paid. It wasn't like I had to be scared that these people work. Okay. So I'm on the phone very, very highness. So you know, and you have to know as a business owner like one to put your foot down and went to shut your mouth. That's part one hundred percent. You know? So you're not one hundred percent. One hundred percent like two thousand dollars. So long story short. I'm on the phone with us client, and all of a sudden, he my boss comes into my door like into my office starts screaming. She butter was our money. I literally just can you? Hold one moment. Order on hold. And then was like what is wrong with you? And I I lost it. So I on hinged that was like the first time I had ever not only like just like clapback. But like I like, I literally was like I'm getting fired. Like, I'm gonna get fired. Now, like, I you know, he ran away. I get back on the phone with the client. And the client has like I knew he was I hate him. Nobody wants to work with him. Like, the only reason we deal with this piece of shit because you're the one who's talking us. You're the one who's doing all this. Anyway was like don't worry. Everything's okay. You know, like, don't worry. You know, I hang up with her. And I like just get up pacman stuff and like in terms of gr. My shed get out. And I'm thinking, I go to see my best friend. I'm like, I'm fired. I told my friend Mike, I am going to get so fire like the like hard core fired. Like, I just lost it and whatever long story short, I attacks tax for my my boss that night. And he is like are you coming in tomorrow? And I was like, yeah. I just wrote. Yeah. Like, yeah. Like, I guess I'm coming, you know, like, okay. So maybe he's gonna fire me in the morning. You know, so I walk in the next day and I'm expecting like and he's like a total sociopath. He just smiled asked me. How I was doing. If I wanted a coffee he was going to Starbucks just like nothing happened because he knew also that like, I was the one who was generating all this business. And I was the reason that his business was flourishing, you know, and it was passive aggressive off the off hundred percent. No confrontation will confrontation when he wants it. And. Then pass aggressive when he doesn't want when he knows he's fucked up, which was all the time. It was like how do I just pretend this isn't happening? Like if I just pretend everything's okay. You know, like, maybe she's not going to she's not going to. No, I don't I don't really know. I genuinely think he just was associated path. He's the he's the owner of the company. Yeah. He actually had I found out that he had a stroke at his desk. Six months after I left view. Yeah. Out how how about arma? Forty eight. Can you imagine? I now that's gonna be one of the most depressing things that you're at you would dine. I'm sure the. Wish she did. Horrible. I'm sorry. You know what? Honestly, like I could pretend like I would care if he didn't. But like, I really he just he adds no value to the world. So I feel like, you know, it's like, I don't know. It's kind of like how you feel about Trump on. It's whatever happens. But yeah. Yeah. So anyway, go to thanksgiving. My first vacation years any years. Literally a I'm getting calls at the airport. Text messages for my. Yes, this this. I'm like sky is like this guy has before like anx giving the day of thanksgiving the day before two days before two days after every day. I was on vacation. I'm getting calls. I'm getting text messages. And I literally just remember looking at my friend saying what I can't go back like, I really like cancer. Yeah. I had I had this huge spot develop on my face. And I went to the doctor, and I was like, you know, what's going on with my face. I thought I was having some like allergic. Reaction to something, you know, whatever. And my doctor's like, yeah. I think that this is a stress spot. I was like what the fuck is a stretch. I was like what is that even real thing? Like, and he was like, you can get discoloration the pigment in your skin can probably size of two quarters on my lower face, and he's like coloration June letter alight. And and he said you get it from spikes in her blood pressure, and it can happen anywhere on your body. I was like oh. And it just happens to be on my face. I was like I was like this is like I'm actually becoming physically ill from like participating in this. And I was like this is just not a life. I want to live like it's not worth the money. I was making wallover one hundred thousand dollars, and I had the apartment in the city. I had the office. I had an assistant. I had all those she she thinks that everybody's like, oh, you need to have these things. This is how you live the great life. And I just was like this is the worst life. I. Cannot live like this like an when I came back from thanks giving. I literally walked into the office walked into the conference room was like we need to talk. And when I came to tell them like I'm quitting. He was like, oh, that's great. We're on the same page. Want to even let me you know, he wanted. It was his one hundred percent like he was trying to make me feel incompetent even when I'm trying to quit. You know cells ourselves piecework Hodel tool. Yeah. I had a similar experience of a like like my body was telling me like Brian. I was in investment banking her work Stanley. This was like ninety ninety eight ninety nine and I had was mergers and acquisitions Morgan Stanley had beat out over five thousand applicants I'd go. I've leaks will either schools like all the top of the top. I get in there. And it's just disillusionment. You think that you have this kind of like Hollywood like TV like thought about like, I'll be lawyer. And I'm gonna drive the BMW office. Yes. My days literally hell that I would get in at nine nine thirty in. I would routinely work until one two three in the morning routine. That's so crazy was seven days a week. It's nuts. Saturday's were half days. Like, you could you get your half day like? Your favourite was an eight hour days, you're half air, eight hour, half go on Sundays, and it was the Asian markets. And so you had either just kill me. I heed this is before cell phones are the beeper that would go along for cats. You office off forget about fire drill after couple of months. I would get a couldn't eat. I get sick to my stomach just thought of going into work in the night finally went in. And I told my boss at the time that I wanted to quit keep the story short of total before on the podcast. And he thought I was ghost sheeting with him kept on raising my salary now at the time I was like twenty three and I was making maybe a hundred thirty thousand he got up to two hundred forty thousand dollars before HR had come in in separate us because he's gonna give the company away. I've kept saying no, I like, no. You don't understand? It's not a money thing. I'm not happy doing this. And he couldn't in his mindset couldn't conceive of someone not taking money really at money. Correct. So and also to Cirque guys that were you know, and it was mainly guys. I mean, I say guys because it was literally a hundred percent guys. There was one on the floor. Right. They were ten years ahead of me there making millions of dollars. But they were addicted drugs alcohol strip clubs do fill in the blank broken. Marriages all that not not that miss are made. Like every. Just wasn't like one curse. Sorry went on to now. It's okay. Right. So you then go in and you you quit of horrific psychopath. Aw. At that point. Did you know like, okay, I'm putting did you have plan? No plans, no plans at all. No client. My only plan was to just get the hell out because I was like I literally I'm like on the verge of like having a health at Mike mental breakdown. Like, I can't like I just physically and mentally can't do this anymore site had like a little over ninety thousand dollars that had saved up which is like every dollar. I ever had like all the piggybanks all he five twenty five twenty four. Okay. And. And I was like all right. So I have this cushion like figure it out, you know, and. Has. So I started working out with a trainer three days a week. And I was like surprising five days away. You're living in Manhattan at the ESO. So I had an apartment Intel say, which I somewhat it, and I actually moved to my parents empty house in New Jersey. That's where all of this happened. So my parents were in Dubai at the time. My dad has his PHD in civil engineering. Backman, they were building all of these projects. So the house was just Amdi sounds like all right? You know, like always. The actual. Yeah. Allen's like Super Bowl, the bubble burst. Also, not that. It was like he was in and out just at the right time. Because a lot of people got super, you know, that that was tough. Everybody's like. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're like, no, no, no, no. They were walking away from projects that are already had tens of millions of dollars invested into their like offered that next like NYU was there as have rain Hanks big snake in now. It's just I don't love to buy to be honest with the I've been there. I tell you I been there too. Yeah. As it's it's good for vacation. Once you may. It's not really it's it's shocking to me with that. I mean as a woman, obviously, but is shocking to me how women are treated in. Also in the form of company share. I went outside and Dubai to this. It was trying to raise. Money for this film in the courting one of these rich really rich guys who and first of all is one of his five right jeeze, Indicas Farris. That's what it was like. Yeah. And there was say as an American look, even I mean, I've been to your normally what I'm sure that. Whatever version you got was still putting on shell. They were Joan. But it doesn't show. I was going like. Show me all the supermarket. I was show in the show was shocking now Schalke's as I mean, the the amount of wealth his crazy there. It's like you New York LA in whatever no, no not on a different level like this. Well, money, it's on oil money. This like all old oil money like tens of billions dot Zil. And just like a had like a remember. He would I thoroughly shakes. What does this house was his garage? I say thirty to forty super high end car share raise like just scratching the surface of like the kind of money that people have down there. And the other thing it was really the women were like in the background. So like if I were to go to your if if I went to someone's house here soon, saying New York LA, and who was a guy was being with investor in their wife was there. They would introduce being. Yeah. To their wife it the never got to do that. Of course. All. No kid out of respect. I say anything because you don't want to say to the housekeeper. Oh, and meet you. Offend and all of his one hundred all of the while. Yeah. Anyway, sorry. So you so let's go back to launch I shine. I'm living in my parents house, and I'm not paying for anything. I'm not paying ran. I'm doing freelance marketing one of my good friends was coming back from grad school. She needed a place to crash said look, I'm out my parents empty house in New Jersey. Now, if you want you could come here, anyway, she started to show me how to cook teach me like, you know, healthy stuff. So then I started loving it. I was like cooking for my personal trainer. I was making all of this healthy stuff. And I I went from burning stuff in the microwave to like becoming my own little like Middle Eastern Murtha Stewart's. You've euro. Nothing not Boba. I literally took off. And the thing is that like I love doing things for other people. I love I'm a people, please. I don't know if it's because I'm an only child or because I'm Persian. And this is how mother always was always trying to take care of everybody. So combination of all these things probably, but I just started telling my friend, you know, we're responding join at the kitchen table, and and yours messengers at my house, even veer kitchen smoking joint. And I don't know if it was the weed or what it was. But her and I were talking I was like what I should do a food truck like this. And she was like, this is a genius. Mitch I've heard that's yes, she was like you could work as little or as much as you want. People will love it. You know, whatever. And I just was like, and that's literally were molly's. Trump was born and probably little did, you know that you were open now clown Darab Bono actually ship that now Cl seven days a week zero. I did not they thought it was making his grill. She's here, and they're like, I was like. Wake up two. I don't know what the hell. I was they gave to be honest with you. But it just turned into eight years. Like it literally unlike I now, I feel like it's just full circle. Like now, I'm just in a place where I'm thinking about like, what's the next entrepeneurship thing? I wanna do you know, but a talker. Grownup. Okay. So you. Your your parents were born here with a now out airborne in Iran. Yeah, they went to SUNY buffalo, and they met there. Okay. And I was born there too. So when our great to like, seventy nine seventy or like, seventy eight like right before the revolution in Iran. Gotcha. Yeah. So you are child immigrant parents. Yes. Talked to us about how that -fluenced you're work ethic. What did you would kind of job has kid? So anybody who's the child of immigrant parents now is that like they believe in hard work because it's all right now, they had to fight for everything that they had, you know, if you're not crying into your day, you're not working hard. You know, that's just like the mentality because they came here with nothing. My mom doesn't speak a lick of English. My dad came from a a, you know, more rich background in terms of financially. So like he knew how to speak English when he. Got here. But my mom doesn't speak a lick English nothing, and they had to work very hard to put themselves through school and to learn everything and. And so basically like in our culture, if you're not a doctor or a lawyer or like like a surgeon like, you're really, just useless. You're you're the black sheep automatic much. It's much like the the Asian culture out. Forget about I it's it's lawyer. That's there's lowered options describe hundred percent, your parents, you an apparent at grammar. My mom was sure I was going to be a dentist. You know, she's like, I think pretty much all throughout high school. My mom would have conversations with me. Like, oh, so and so as dot tatters, a doctor, you I was like mom, I don't want be a doctor. Von. Doc there. You know, I was like I don't want people to die at my hands. Like, I don't want that. And she's okay, you do his. That's you do. Done just have the highest suicide. I don't wanna be a duchess. She was like, okay. Okay. You know, like an say always that that was like it, you know, and he in now like if she has of you glasses of wine, she'll tummy it's not too late to go to law school. I support you like, I'm never doing months. Never happened. Never gonna end I'll be on her side hundred percent. But it took a while to get to that point out soon. Now. So what was so it was so I'm assuming it was like a very strong worth worth. I you have to work hard. My mom believes in working your ass off, you know, for nothing like, they don't believe in working smart because it's not what they grew up, you know, wave hordes just work hard, which means slaving. You know? That's and that's the only thing they know an I get it. Because I, you know, you're a product of your environment. And you know, whatever circumstances you come up with. But you know, it was it was a tough pill to swallow for my parents, what did you little girl? What did you of being something? Now, I had to which is also the funniest thing. Because my mother had me in every class. I played violin piano dance class. Ask it ball soccer. Our softball tennis. I she put me in every class. I rode horses. I had ice skating lessons when I talk about my childhood. It's like a circus. Other just everything because she wanted me to be able to have access to all these things that I could have that thing that would become my thing like I was going to become some concert violinist. You know, and it just wasn't happening. And the thing that, you know, even my mom recognizes now is I just loved activities because I got to be around people. I'm a people person. And the reason I feel like my businesses have been successful also are because keep all like me. And I connect with people, and I'm able to turn that into something where they're rooting for me to do. Well, and she had such a hard time. Like when people talk about their kids like on my kid used to do this. She's a whole was in every class nut cakes like -ality. Entity wrong. Like, I have all of the instruments like she's still hoping that like iron of item and not giving you is so weird. God I've probably right now. I'm like, no, mom it's ever going to happen. Like, it's you know. So that was really tough like even like my first job. So like, you know, people's first jobs are like, I they're babysitters or like a work that the gap or like like my first job was telemarketer twenty dollars an hour to be telemarketer. Like, my mom like dropping me off at a big building. Like, she didn't want to drop me off at a mall. You know what I'm saying? And so like, I'm six years old for shove versus job. That's right. Yes. My mom's like, you're making twenty dollars of our, you know, my mom in her mind. She's all right. This sixteen. Are you kidding? That was amazing. You know? So anyway, so. Was telemarketer, and basically you had to collect people's social security number over the telephone. It was for a mortgage company and the person who collected the most social security numbers would get a bonus check at the end of the month. And there was this like very old woman there who was collecting the checks every month. She was a ruse. I'd roll the SAS. So I to say the craziest things like I would never call and be like hi, this Hodi was like hi, this is Angela like I would like make might make up names. I would I change the tone of my. I had people hang up on me. And then I would call them back and be like, you know, this is I'm supporting three children, and like my supervisor Carlos telling you, my supervisor Carlos listened in on one of my conversations where at the end of it, you know, I'd turn to hang up into the guy giving me all the info for the social and the whole bed to run his credit. And he was like listen, you don't need to go to college. He liked pulled me aside. He said you don't need to go to college. You're gonna you're gonna graduate high school. You're gonna come back here. We're going to get you a mortgage brokers license, and you're going to be very rich, and I went home, and I told my mother that she said going to apply the gab. At that point. She was like, you're never. You know, like it was like one of those. It's village. I went to call it like, I'm not my parents, Colin just bullshit. I'll just bullshit. Total bullshit might parents aren't immigrants my grandparents came over from Italy. Ryan airland in Germany, France, your finance. Yeah. And it was you go to college, no matter. What what? Yeah. There was even in a not a question. Go to my parents, say amok going to call pack your bags. They throw it on the street three out to win. I think they would torch you one hundred percent how and make you. It makes make me go out of percent drop you off and pick you up every two was. It was great. I was like in like fourth or fifth grade at you're going maybe third year. But now the current climate is in I graduated in ninety six with twenty five thousand dollars in student debt, which at the time was a lot in. I I went on a scholarship. I went on a running scholarship at an academic scholarship to Fordham university. But even still I was it was like six grand a year. I had to pay and my parents paid basically nothing very very little books. All that crap. Of course, now, you have kids coming out with six bigger hundreds of times the jobs are the scene job when I came out and make like twenty four county you pay back down a thousand bucks a month. If you're making twenty four grand a year, which after taxes is like eighteen months. Seventeen you have to live at home. You're just going to go further in debt in less you rise up that scale. And then if you're a lawyer a doctor, forget it. Off the charts class and schools have gotten to like, why went to Fordham think the tuition was twenty seven thousand now it's over seventy grand a year and nothing against Fordham. Absolutely not zero just completely zero. Literally learn what I learned online in watching YouTube videos. Like you like my degree right now is completely useless. Like, I've had to relearn things, you know, it used to be like every light for seven years. But now it's on a yearly basis on a monthly basis were picking up like a actually going in like to in courses visuals constantly learning new stuff because otherwise you have to of forty years old dinosaur. Dinosaur. No, are you. Alright. What's funny about it is it's still this society, nor shirt like you should go to college is just like now, they're they're building buildings athletic centers, charging more and more money. And it's like where is the like are locked actually not for the kids. There is in Xerez nine, Hugh, I genuinely feel like unless you're doing something super technical like you're going to be a brain surgeon. Then you're not watching YouTube videos to figure that out but other than that like it's not there's no point like I have a degree in business with a concentration in marketing. And frankly, they tools that I need for business are like fools that. My mother taught me, you know, negotiating skills, or, you know, not even taught one hundred percent like those are the things that actually help you succeed or how to actually communicate how to understand emotional intelligence. They're not teaching you that stuff, you know. And when you enter the, you know when you enter the workforce, you're. Are in shock for a lot of people there in shot have no idea, they're you know, they don't realize how screwed actually are. Cigna course that was relevant like at that time. But two years later, garbage. It's completely irrelevant of Corby. Is there something to be said about? Learning how to learn right. But. I mean, the the cost is so great yourself Krantz. I now you have statistically you have kids coming out where now people are getting married later. Chanter nutty get married, but owning homes later, everything later kids later, everything later, everything it takes them a decade because they're living at mom's house and their forty because they can't afford to do anything. Honestly, it's so sad. You know? So warning all parents, if you want your kids to live with you until they're forty. Coming in these. No one like really like levels with kit. Now, look and I see commuting on lawn. Marijuana jelly basis is just Solis. I mean, it's almost like you get on the real job at you soul in you know, in your back because there's just this. I now I think it's because everyone is miserable and Israel going on train. They despise going whose job is by. And then you're like artificial that your first job like you were with this jerk off of the boss. I know you didn't pick this guy. Now. Right. You serve you pick your fresh right shar-. You decide who you wanna hang out with her in an office. It's much who via you have to then. Yeah. Do you with them on a unit level, and you have to work with them? Right. And we all know things can get very messy if you have different viewpoints or or people just could just be. In. None doesn't take it out on everyone. One hundred percent. I feel like that's why also people are flying off the handle on the weekends because they need servive. You know, and I should say, you know, it's like two. Listing. Like TGIF? I mean, the whole alcohol industry is predicated on. They. Trying to recite. To drown L sorrow Zora. Yeah. Exactly. Have our story went off tangent or it? So then you start the truck. Yes. I so you're you're now officially in entrepreneur nanna. Let's talk about those. This is another misconception that a lot of people have is like, oh, I'm going to be an entrepreneur I'm going to be successful other start now and six months now, I'm going to buy that Bentley. Now, that's just not just talk through those like I always like to hear like the the Li like a thought I was going to quit. I let early had eight dollars in my Bank account when I actually launched. I took a screen shot of my TD mobile app, which was like eight sixty two and I was honestly shockingly, I was the happiest ever been. I had no money. I put everything into starting this business, and I literally had a truck filled with food and. I was like I'm gonna have to make money right now. Eight bucks guy had a figure it out. You know, your bags? Away. You know, my thing is that like, you know, if I had some plan in terms of like, what it was actually going to do I could have done things a lot nicer like if I if I knew that I was passionate about food or in this kind of business. I started planning, you know, my business in advance. And like people don't have to just quit their job today and at into something random, you know, it should be something thought through and like there there are steps you can take to make like entrepreneurship easier for yourself like having a real plan asking questions getting educated while you have some income coming in, you know, not just quitting correct drawing caution to the wind which is really what I did at the thing is that like, you know, I had also been working to a point where I was like I needed to quit because I was mentally not okay liking and should and should visit. But it should not be like that for other people like you should. Walk away before it gets to like that point. You know, what I mean like when you like the commute like that's a real thing. Like people on the train. It's everybody looks like somebody pest in their cherry os. You're like, why do you look so miserable? Like, it's it's it's it's a cultural thing, it's scary. Like, I won't take the subway between hours of like six and nine because I don't want to look at those. Almost wanna take my kids. It'd be like coming out and. No, literally, the U many drains out. It's here's an example. So crazy, I tell the story. So I'm on line road. See a guy like you were talking about your boss, having a stroke. This dude is six two to a half to seventy five. And I he standing up, and it's on a double decker train. And I see the guy kinda like loosen his tie sweating profusely. And it's it's probably like November time. It's no reason to be sweating. I'm like sky. He's blown out. He's like on drugs who this guy? Son's going on share old son like Trina forest your life. Just collapsing. Like, you don't like your loudness someone like full in not brace themselves on my God. Like straight up pass out like he down Rida Hass's out. I can't ends up having a heart attack in the tunnel yet. So now, there's only you gotta go out of tunnel in. There was a doctor there. And the doctor can there long story short emerging trip merged train, stop we stopped and the guy the can't resuscitate him. I'm assuming the guy had died because it took so much time. Just like me this talk about you marry seeping out. I was like jeeze whole rise. Vied fat asshole have to die now gonna be late. And I got my I'm. Title, terry. Every single instead of saying, oh, my God, this poor soul. Time. So that. It is a is just. Nobody nobody talks suits now like is just like own straight. And also to a New York City subway, imagine like you make icon tact with someone or Salo to someone that could result in confrontation L. You could end up the cops could be waiting for you train. All somebody talking. First of all, I'm too dark. I'm like a camel jockey. I can't say hi to anybody. As it is when I got on a plane people are looking over or saying if I'm praying or if I'm like, they're like a look at this hubby Abune of say like I literally like I have. She's telling you, I never wear anything. Even like in the winter. I'm very careful about how I please scarf. I'm like, this is I can't now it's real it's not you can people just like there's in the end, these these these people have like good successful jobs interference sitter there. So miserable. The money isn't worth it. That's the thing. That's the thing that you really learn, you know, even with the money it's not worth at like when when I had that eight sixty two in my Bank account. I had never been happier. I was I was like I am living my life for may like I'm doing it my way and the things that were important to me like expensive things expensive handbags this that all of became a relevant, and my perspective completely changed on like, what is actually valuable to me in my life. Like is it a lot of people? They don't realize. They're scared is totally. They're also very scared of what other people think and that is a killer. That is the major reason why people are so comparing themselves to others, and especially like aesthetically, and like in terms of things like this one has these things those things don't make you happy maybe for five minutes, but not permanent happiness. You know? It's just it's pacifying your misery. You know, your Mercedes is is just making it. Okay. When you pick up a key is. Socially, accepted like. You know, kind of lunacy in a sense like where you would go and. A house of big house to impress your neighbors and drive car to pressure neighbors, and then you're shackled to that mortgage in those car payments, right for people that you don't even give a crap out bows. But it's their opinion giving up with the Joneses. It's keeping up with Jones Jones, and it is a circuits around rom-. It's like groundhog day. To where it's like groundhog day that just never end now, and nobody nobody levels, and I think though this generation like the millennial generation Z is starting to Paul bullshit. One hundred percent. That Ma the baby boomers in generation X his life. They're like Naaman is not doing it. Not doing. Now, I. Yeah. It's total crock crat hundred percent. And I and I think it's it's slowly changing where people are starting to, you know, not make living but make life of where they're in hierarchies are change any more experiences. It's not about things. That's right in houses. It's like, okay. I'm going to travel. I'm gonna go out to dinner. I'm not gonna I'm gonna go have those experiences. Whatever it is. You know in in by by that societal change. You have made your brands who are scrambling because the automotive industry is you'll dawn, you know, Johnny and Jane going to get that new PM w and then the Uber's are coming along. I don't need it. I don't need it that now I don't want it. Why can't I don't want in know shaking the core? Trying these multibillion dollar industries anyway. I want you to tell his story of how you got your food trucks. Great store. So my friend Tara was working on a bar in Hoboken. And at this point. You know, I'm like three months into getting healthy. I've lost all my way. And I really have my stone or idea of doing the food truck. So I have my business plan that I've been writing while I'm doing like freelance marketing for small businesses in the area, and my friend tears like why don't you come to the bar? I'm working at. Meanwhile, it's like a Wednesday. It's like a beautiful April day the sun was shining. I was like, you know, what I'm going. I'm going to have a beer one because I can do that now because I'm my own boss. And like, I'm doing it. You know? So I go to Hoboken, and my friend tears like, right? Give me a few minutes. Like, I'm doing something. I said no problem sit down at the bar, and I sit next to this old guy. And he's you know, I start up a conversation. I'm very chatty. And personable. I'm always amo- is talking. And it turns out that he is the owner of the bar and his name's Greg. And I start. Minute. He tells me the owner, I'm like how much money do you make how much are you spending on food? I wanted to food truck, and I'm talking a mile a minute. This guy thinks I'm nuts. And I am so happy I'm drinking at like one afternoon on a Wednesday. I'm like life could not be better. You know? So he's cracking up like luck. I have to go. But I'm very interested to help you. Bounce ideas off of me because he had a business in Hoboken. And that's where I was thinking. I would do the food truck. So he's like me tomorrow for brunch. So I'm telling Tara that I'm having this great combo with her boss whenever next day comes I meet him. And I bring he tells me bring your business plan. So I go to meet him bring made as plan, and I have, you know, I just told them my whole life story. He's just looking at me add smiling. And he thinks it's a great idea. He thinks that there's a real that it could really work. Anyway, long story short at the end of my whole spiel, I'm like, what do you think, you know? And he pulls out a title for a truck that he had purchased. So he had wanted to do catering for his own business and his business was so successful that he just was like, I don't want to get. I don't want to do more work. So he had bought a G L truck from the state of New Jersey on inauguration. That was worth like twenty. Dan that he bought for like five grand? And he just, you know, put a title on the table on push it towards was like. The fuck out. He was like its title. He's like thirty years ago. Somebody gave me an opportunity, and I feel like this is my way of paying it forward. And he's like when you he's like when you make it you gimme my five grand back or you don't he's like, whatever happens, you know. And I just start cry. I'm just I just met him the day before unbelievable and I- crying. I'm so motion. I call everyone. I now, and I'm like I have a truck like, yeah. Just gotta literally. So now, I'm like, I'm I've got my idea. I've got my truck, and you know, and in the truck was parked at some like obscure gas station, like thirty miles away. He was like, yeah. Just here's the key is like though get it now. So just amazing. It's so crazy. It's it's really when they talk about like when the stars align. Like, actually how I got my business partner. So that was at the end of April Memorial Day weekend. I had never been to the jersey shore. My best friend has a house in the Hamptons. So by default, I've always been going to the Hamptons because it just was always accessible where some of in east Hampton or springs fireplace like on springs fireplace. And so long story short my friends like let's go to the jersey shore. I was like you know, what I'm fan. Now, I'm gonna be wearing something really slutty. I'm gonna go out like that debt, you I was like, okay. So I am memorial. So I go, and my friend introduces me to his cousin and his cousin is the son of a. Their family has a massive contract in company, and he hates working for his family business. And they introduce us. And I'm like, I he's like what do you do? I tell them my whole story. I'm so proud of myself. I tried exactly anyway, long story short. He is like I love it. You're so fiery or this long story short. He's like I would love to meet with you and like over your business plan with you. And I was like, oh, okay. Great. So that Tuesday coming off of Memorial Day weekend. He lived down the shore. He came up north to northern New Jersey sauve truck sauve is plan and was like I wanna do this with you. Let's do this together. That's also. The rest is history. And that's it. Okay. So do you do the truck? And that is in the that's in HOGAN, Dan, war all over. So how long you've been doing the trough? So now I've been doing for like seven and a half years of yours while. Okay. So now, let's talk about your your restaurant of sorts. Yeah. So it took me at basically a year to build out this restaurant. Join you have the truck. So I have decide talks not enough two years in and I've already launched beverage at this point, which I had no business commercializing a product is Ray of you launched the Eric his let's talk about that. Restaurants. You decide my selling the tie with selling. So this is the thing that everage was something I was drinking everyday part of my lifestyle at my corporate job was like Frappuccino 's unlike anything caffeinated I was like caffeine machine. And I was probably drinking like three thousand calories a day just on like caffeinated. Yes. Because basically milk trade percent Kelly. I needed to find a way when I was losing all my weight to still get that caffeine, but without the calories, so my friend, and I started concocting this thing with almond milk, cold brew coffee and a little bit of Gotha, which is like comes from the to kill the plant was again to Quila and cinnamon, so I had this like drink that was like my healthy, guilt free Frappuccino, and how many calories seventy calories for like a talk lass. So this. This was like it was liquid gold. It was amazing. So anyway, what ends up happening is that people find out about this. It becomes a thing with the moms in Hoboken, all the moms who are bopping around running up and down the water with kids. They're coming for this drink. I'll I heard about the almond milk ice coffee. Cole. He asks it was called. So long story. Short the demand became so high that actually started buying is a gallon glass growlers and filling them with coffee and selling those for fifteen bucks because the glass itself was caught costumier like three dollars almost so. Yes. So if you brought the grammar MAC, you save three dollars pain. But what ended up happening is anybody who had a growl or would give me twenty bucks. And they would just like eight loved it. They loved also crack cocaine for Haley wise. So it became this thing. So after I sold a thousand dollars in like three months, I was like I'm in the wrong business. I was like I'm like there's a demand here. So I start trying to investigate how I can raise money and how I can launch a like a beverage company, which is like, it's it's so great. So long story short, I Google, you know, wholesale all men's because at this point, I need to be making large quantities of almond milk. And I am like you'll make it from the almonds nut by the milk. Now my needed to buy. Yeah. And it was very time consuming and very just like almonds or. In California, reacts, you sound shifts will so at that time, I was just buying like, I wasn't doing things cost effectively, you know, and someone I me early like, I can't even tell like issues if Turkey is like not it was the whole thing was shift. Nuts, man. How much? You know? But like in the whole thing was shifty. Okay. But longer than I will like wholesale all men's and this thing pops up and contact 'em. And the really lovely woman picks up the phone, and I'm like, hi, I'm so, and so and I'm looking to buy wholesale almonds in, you know, people told me it's going to be really hard to get wholesale almonds. Most you're buying like thousands of pounds long story short. This woman was amazing. She was like crate would love to healthy out I'll work with Yale. So her and I keep in touch and we start building this relationship her. And I and I am telling her about my journey how I'm trying to find. I'm trying to find out where I can produce it who has the machinery to do it. I'm exploring all these different things growing those correct in lead water. It's as it's a whole lot of work for like, it's just crazy. You know like for. It's it's impossible to people. It's just like, I'm not the incident made sense to buy wholesale almond milk. Well, the thing is that it didn't taste the same. So I didn't I didn't have a food scientist with me. And I sure as hell wasn't a food scientists I couldn't figure out. What's what's in this? That's making it tastes different. And it's because that stuff is being processed. But I'm long story short. Again, introduced by my friend to accompany that is a brand management company, and they represent huge Browns. Like they represented snap ball. I I'm I'm no longer aflaid with them. So I don't wanna go into that much doors appoint is that they were like big hitters, and my friend said go meet with these people. And if they like it they'll help you figure out they'll show you how to commercialize anyway, long story short. I go in there and have a meeting with them. And I tell my whole story which everybody gets so pumped when you tell them like, I quit corporate America. Everybody. But he's liking on board because they're living to join living by curiously through you at that point. Because they're like, you know, I probably would be less miserable. If this has been my life. Exactly. So long story short. I go in there. I tell him. I had the truck. I have proof of concept. Here's what I've sold shares. What it tastes like? And they're like, wow, we love it. You know, we love this. Great. We'll take you on as a client while for a retainer of fifteen thousand dollars a month. And I said, are you fucking crazy? Printing money fifteen grandma like, I don't have that. Like, what do you like, I I'm not, you know, and they were like, well, why are you here that I was like you partner with me? I was like you partner with me you helped me commercialize it and will will work out a deal where I'll give you ownership of the beverage company. My business partner didn't say a word in pair meeting. I was saying crazy stuff. I was flailing my arms, I was trying to get people pumped up. I was like you don't wanna be the guy who said no to Pepsi. I was say Coca Cola, you know, too crazy shit when we walked out of that meeting, my business partner, look to me and said, we are so fucked there is not a chance that these people are going to bite like you're crazy who in the hell, do you think you are like a long story short eight AM the next day? I get an offer from them fifty one forty nine ill enter the business with me view on a forty nine. And they'll help me commercialize at while. So now, I'm I'm in business. I call my almond woman, and I say every night. Liam this. I got this brand management company who's behind the successful launch of poems. Spring Snapple Nantucket nectars all these huge companies. And she's like, wow, you are go getter. You are just and she's just loving it. And her and I like we've formed a bond to this point. So long story short. They set me up with a meeting with a manufacturer distributor. He owns a manufacturing company and distribution company. And they sent me up with a meeting, and they're like, this guy's gonna give you ten minutes. The buck like this is your guy. And if this guy doesn't want you we're not going to be able to help you real. It was like that. So I was like oh good. No. So I go into meeting at a long conference Tam ball, and I walk in. There's all of his people. They're probably fifteen people and one of the people from the brand management company with me on this meeting. So I have my beverages. Like, I have my beautiful presentation writing you now, and I come and and the guy walks in the guy owner, he walks in. And he's like before he says, Hello or anything. He says, I hate coffee. I don't even know why he's like my wife likes. But it's like, I don't even understand. Why anyone drinks it? And I literally look at him. And then you're gonna love this. I actually said just like I was like, oh, you're gonna love this that everyone's cracking up. And everyone's looking at me like she is so screwed. She has no idea what she's walking into and I just go right in. And I tell them the story I tell him out the trod proof of concept. Here's the brand management company. I'm with which they were familiar with because they've worked with them on other projects. And you know, I. Put the drink in front of him. And I just push it towards him. And he takes his first set. And he's like, well, that's really good a minute. He said, wow. That's really good. I was like I got this guy in the Pomme my hands. I'm going for gold. You know, I'm going in. And I said this is going to be a million dollar company in XM time. I'm gonna work my azoff. I've got here from nothing. And I'm literally on the way out when I'm shaking. This guy's hand. I'm like you and me I can feel it. You know, I'm saying an end like anyone else? Like, nobody talks like crew, the Heller you, you know. Anyway, long story short. He comes back and tells me we're interested come need us at our facility. Upstate New York. I Bill there I'm supposed to go with one of the brand management people. They couldn't make it. So it was just man they're like do Ana cancel the meeting because they knew their emotions we're going to be going on. And I said, no, I can handle it myself. I don't want them to think I need my dad there, you know, 'cause some fun show old guys. Massive massive. They are like the people who produce horizon mill and Mike bunch of Yahya. So I go there, and I basically tell them, you know, what are you looking for, you know, like, I don't want to set, you know, like what what do you want in exchange for partnering up with me, you know, and he's like trying to get it out of me to be the man management company told me you give him twenty percent up to twenty percent. And if he says, we'll do it for twenty percent, you do it because you cannot do it with this guy. So I'm like, look, I really don't wanna be the one to say like what I'm looking. I don't wanna insult chill in. Meanwhile, just say no the entire drive on the way to upstate New York. I'm listening to like Rick Ross, your I'm a boss. I'm a mom of I call the shots. And I'm I literally I was having a rocky Balboa moment. Like, I was mentally running up. Those stairs. You know, like I when I got there. I was so amped up and caffeinated. I could've skyrocketed into outer space. Okay. So I get air. And you know, he's he he finally cracks. And he tells me will do I like he'll and I'm not looking really take advantage here. He's like we'll do it for ten percent. I was like a minute. He said ten percent, then I realized that I should try to negotiate for lower because he's already starting at ten. So why wouldn't I at least try I go. I was thinking two percent. Can you imagine? So his tables like his that noise. You just made that every person at that able. Everyone's face. With one percent. Yes. I said I was thinking two percent. He's like all two percent. He's like that's like nothing, you know. And I was like looked like, you know, the brand management comedies evolved. Now, I've got this. I said I wanna take care of my parents like I wanna make money like I can't. And he was like how about we settle at five and we shook on five, and I left there, and I got in the car, and I call one of the guys from the brand manager committee right away. And I'm like, hey, he wanted to do it for ten percent. And I said, no. And before I could finish the sentence. This guy is screaming at the top of his are you insane. We told you and I'm like I got him at five. And then it was crickets heathen say he was so shocked and could not believe it, you know, and then I was in business. So that's a crazy story. It just keep. Going man, I could go on for days like my whole Lavelle where we're is the beverage now. So the beverages unfold it's called f delicious of Somali slogan was FM delicious. That was our slogan so built that's right. So when I originally launched beverages it was called Molly smoke, but then it became a problem because I'm using the word milk in a non dairy product, and it's kind of confusing to the customer and also involves government bureaucrat. No, just like in terms of marketing the product rail and the brand management company, they were really old school. They had been pushing me to make the packaging look a certain way. And I was scared. I didn't want to try to explore my own ideas because I was fearful and as time started going by started shaking Madoff and became more and more confident in my own decisions. And then I eventually bought the brand management company out. I pretend. That I was going out of business, and I got them to cut them to sell me back. My shares at a really ridiculously low price. And then I went off I raised more money. And I realized as f- in delicious. When I launch with them my shelf life was fourteen days with research and development. I was able to get it up to sixty days a while. And I still had the manufacturer and distributor. They were on board supporting me fully, and they knew that my brand management company wasn't doing what they needed to do. So we just I mean, so essence I failed and then I came back and did it again. And then my restaurant was the thing that was allowing me to continue feeding money into my beverage company money has to it's it's unbelievable. Like, you need to basically drive this. It's it's very convoluted long story short you need to sell a lot of product. And you can't sell a lot of product with without a lot of support you need a sales team, you need somebody to go and merchandise for you to make sure that old product is being taken off the shelf new product is, you know? Resolve whole share dealing with like the Pepsi's coax. You have a you have people who actually come take your product because it's refrigerated and put it somewhere on a shelf somewhere else. So that you expire of us. And then like at the end of the day, you get what I'm saying. It's it's like off SIA. Oh, forget about it. It's crazy. The where was we're wasn't. We were at whole foods throughout the entire northeast region and about five hundred other retail locations. Just get to be like well shoe much capital intensive or while it really just got to the point that when I wasn't making money because I was out of business for my restaurant. I couldn't afford to keep pumping money into the drink. So right now, the beverages are on hold haven't sold a company. Everything's just on hold. We still have our relationship with our manufacturing. I just spoke with my manufacturer and distributor like a week ago. And he's like a we're waiting for you like, what are you coming back? You know what I'm like not making. They're not making right now. Now now is they're still do you still have those contracts in place with criminals? Yes. Everything is still there. But the point is that I am not looking to take on any more money from outside places because I'm gonna have to give away a large part of the business at this point. I'm really just waiting for my my own stuff too subtle. So that a concert reinvesting in my other business. Yeah. Yeah. And have you tried to go direct to consumer wral or is 'cause I'm refrigerated refrigerant? I gotcha. Yes. So it's very tricky. You mean the soda have to be a bowl because I know there's like there is stuff like which your box where you can get like or even like Amazon fresh in. But the point is that like again, like I said it's not worth it to do that unless I can fully support the product, which means that I need to be able to financially support it in terms of having sales people on having the other thing, I just can't do that right now. But the point is that. Eight years ago. I didn't think that I was going to have a food truck or a beverage company or arrest or on any of this talk about talk about the restaurant the ad so you, so I I have the beverages beverage company. I brought on a new business partner for the beverage company. Lovely guy too were in grad amazing pianist hated the stock market was just like I need to do something new. And actually we met on bumbled eight oh. Oh. So we're gonna bumble Nate order. Ghana? I go on mumbled it. And then I realized that I'm actually on an interview. And he knew all about me. Yes. Yes. And that's crazy. If I was to tell you like, it's so crazy all of it's so crazy. So. I m on this bumble day at an an and I'm like, oh my God. This guy knows everything about me like the sky like knows him beverages. He knows who's making my beverages. He knows about my food truck. And I'm like, wow. This is really weird. You know, long story short. We met at a coffee shop, and there was a guy sitting in the corner of the coffee shop rate, and he's hearing how this is going. So he knows we're on a date this time the quarter. He's fascinated and even laughing at jokes that I making fool is Israel, if he's practically on the date, and he are on the interview, or whatever you wanna call it. Okay. And longs. The conversation be gets to a point where I'm like, I one hundred fifty thousand dollars. I'm telling my date one hundred fifty grand maybe one hundred an hour into thirty minutes. Other Email I want one hundred fifty and he's an really negotiating at the table on my date. This guy in the corner is hysterical. And then yell that was that was like a two and a half weeks after that. He did write me a check actually for one hundred seventy thousand dollars. That's crazy. I know that was for the favorite. So the. That's run happens after the beverage s-. Right. So after so you didn't have enough on your. I was like give me more. Give me more building my almond milk slash molly's. No Trump at molly's truck empire. You know, I had always wanted to franchise that was the real thing. I really wanted to franchise molly's. I had thought that I wanted to be food truck. So it was a combination. I was like maybe I can franchise the truck. But having a truck is very difficult. You have to deal parking every city is different. There's laws now that try to make it hard for people who have food trucks because you're not paying property tax. It's like a whole thing. But anyway, long story you are in. It's really just you know, people who are restaurant tours in. It's like if you're upset about it. Like, why don't you open up a food truck? I mean, you know, what I'm saying? Like, it's not really it's hard for me to understand. You know what I'm in? Why they would be bent headed shape about it. But you are you're you're. Hopeless. Totally. Yeah. It's just people are angry. It's just there. They feel people at one hundred percent. And I'm like, dude you're selling spaghetti. I'm selling cheeseburgers. If I want spaghetti. I'm gonna get any if I want, you know, cheeseburger to go for five bucks. Like, I'm not the same thing. It's apples and oranges. You know? But you know, the real thing is at 'em. If people did what they want to do as best. They could like if you're an Italian restaurant. Like don't be worried about me. Make sure your food is great your services. Great prices are great. And then people will come to you exactly don't be upset at your that. I'm here now providing value, and now you feel that's taking away from what if you step? That's why people need to just focus on what they are doing and make it the best inmate kit, you know, not trying to screw people over at. Nobody wants to pay twenty five dollars for your shitty pasta. You know, what I'm saying actually, go out of his correct her as you wrote people. Do they want Val? View cost a treat the value. That's it provides a service that said worry could be you could what are it is a hundred dollars for plate. That's amazing grade could be charging ten dollars and nuxhall at its. And I think you know, people who are trying to make a fast buck. That's that's how you got a business. I really feel that way the fast. Buck means the fast close, that's you know. Let's take it. Look at near city is like you take time. Swear, you draw a square a ten blocks where I will not go anywhere in there. Yeah. They are. It's crazy. It's crazy world way. It's while the quality of food is dog price is literally ahead. Yeah. It is. It's. I've lived by this for the past four years area. Accurate in a buddy of mine we were going out to play and he's from jersey. Jerseys, and he doesn't subscribe to this high. So he booked this restaurant, man. I said, no, I want you to really I was I was busy at the time. Like fucking sudden. Go off my God. Sure. Enough, of course, food Sarb Arbel. It was unbelievable. The rush the food out Susan drop. The check the minute the miniature fort down. The check is on the table. They're escorted you out of the restaurant. Like, you're taking space, and it was shoot were expense. Of course. Yeah, arts, let's go back to go back to the restaurants. Right. We've we're totally all over the place. I now so let's start the restaurant as I start the restaurants. I'm living in Brooklyn at this point, a okay, and I walk up to this place like this window innocence, and it's a service window, and I realized that they're using the coffee that I use in my beverages, which is a company called Brooklyn Ouston company. And I'm like, oh my God. How cute is this? It's just a little window. And I started talking to the girl. Behind the counter, and she's like it's for sale. And I was like I don't I was like it's a sign. This is for may six Bushwick. I was like it's a side. This is like a food truck window accepted supply. Anyway, long story short. I was kinda go inside onside. It has. No, see, it's literally just a window. And I'm imagining like walls blown out and I put fifteen seats in here. I can reach. I see I see at an and literally like in two chops after that like thirty days or last. I was in there in there. I had keys and start the restaurant start the restaurant is how's it doing? It's great. Where New York Times eater all the press that you can imagine people love it. People simpler menu to the fellow. It was like a two point over of the trucks. So the truck was like all healthier options. I brought like really gluttonous options to you could either go one way you could go healthier. You could go. Oh to cast Anka's Zach it listen. I'm listen. I definitely enjoyed both. We did go into yet. We did homemade ice cream. You know, we did everything celebrate there. It was phenomenal Ehlers. Offset your homemade is forget about it was just a big packet ruin either me neither. It's a. It just hits Klein now uses everything at mean. Sorry. So long story short. We're open about I'm working hundred twenty hour weeks. Man. I'm I I literally I between my food truck. Like I worked all day and night event. So there was a dance party in Brooklyn at a place called Brooklyn Mirage where might truck would go. I worked from, you know, six hours of prep worked from three in the afternoon until six in the morning slept for thirty five minutes in the car, and then like open up the restaurant seven like to do prep for the restaurant or two full until three in the morning. I had I think I worked thirty four hours to at all and shockingly I was like feeling like superwoman 'cause I was like I can do anything. I just worked thirty four hours. Like, I am like not human, you know, and I'm like hi on myself. You know, and like how self sufficient I am anyway long story. Short restaurants, doing great. Everything's going. I've break even operationally in six months, and then Jim her unheard of the building expeditious. It's two years easily building gets purchased and they pay everybody to leave all the tenants of stairs, the residential tenants to leave or they relocate them to other properties that they own. And they know that I've put about three hundred K into the space, and that the it's I pay my I'm paying my run time Magritte's ten and I already have name. I'm already part of the neighborhood. Like, I knew my mailman. I had they they're like your we're gonna we're not gonna do anything to you. We're gonna we're gonna keep you here. We're gonna fix everything upstairs. It's not gonna affect you. Anyway, long story short. They are doing a legal renovations. They're doing a legal plumbing, legal electric. They flood my whole restaurant specis everything like my restaurant was the most amid like people would come in this place is so it took me a year to build like, I did it myself Mike in there on my hands on learning. How? Tile. Like I'm talking about like, really like doing it. You know, and. Yeah. And now, I'm in litigation and. That's us the. Yeah. So you know, we're going to wrap this up. But before we. For we do that. What would you just coming from the corporate world? And a lot of our listeners are in that get out that out jogger lie. Take a chance on yourself. If you have any passion whatsoever. Take a chance on it. Build a plan and the slowly exit out of whatever it is that you're doing at least once in your life. Take a chance on yourself because you deserve not the reality is when you do something you love, you do it. Well, and you are willing to push yourself, and you will see that you are capable of so much more than you ever knew. When I worked at my corporate job. I thought I worked hard. But I didn't know what hard work was until I worked for myself because you will just in a sink or swim situation, you will figure it out you will swim. And you will love every minute of it who I am now. And who I was almost eight years ago two very different people. I have a confidence in myself and a new perspective on life that I wouldn't trade for anything in the world. And I highly. Recommend that everybody take that chance on themselves at least ones that is. Also, also, Germany lexell scope a hundred percent. You learn everything about yourself because you have no one to blame. That's the beauty being an employee's. You totally blame somebody blame some are checkout and five o'clock. I check out I'm outta here. Check out is owned business. There's only now check out there. No checking out. Fault. If. It's even you were full if you hired the wrong person, highs are highs and the lows are like the pits of hell, but I have to tell you if you don't get to experience, those highs you are missing out because those small successes Notre how big or small they are when I left that meeting upstate and I had negotiated five percent for my beverage jail or one somebody just eve me a truck or a like when these kinds of things happen. It just adds a whole new dimension to your life. You know hard from. Absolutely. Yeah. A great while Hoda. Thank you. So. I think we nailed it. On the five. Tell us your story. I hope that the listeners can draw inspiration. And you know, kind of that that push to go out and do it on their own. And also to like, I think another big message is if you were if you're unhappy, you can change that you know, out cellular you're the only one who can change it's not someone else. Stop you don't you don't want to blame people for don't if you're if you're unhappy the only person you can blame yourself. So if you wanna make it better do something about it Hoda hell hin, a hug and everyone find you on social media rep site all that good stuff. So on Instagram. I'm on there as Hoda babies H O DA babies, and because I'm a mama baron take care of everybody. That's that's kind of my nickname, ho two babies and my business molly's milk truck. Just how it sounds. Ammo, L, Y, S milk, truck and as dot com that's for Instagram. And and and for the website don't truck dot com. And my beverages are f delicious on Instagram. 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TFATK Episode 458

The Fighter And The Kid

1:52:29 hr | 1 year ago

TFATK Episode 458

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And the key is coming at you. No, no. We're not live that does make sense. We're not we don't. Now, it's no fun and the kid. Shot. Live. You can lick my nuts. The thing that you. Now, I don't know if that's a good way to start the podcast on a Monday, you can leak. League. Note, but you have to drag out nuts. Not sure what you're saying. You can Lee. Mentos are gun commercial. You can lick my. You're more like hall notes like Seoul. Yeah. Mine's more like a catchy kind of. Okay. What would you do for all kinds Akbar? Nick. Almost here when you get pulled over and they're about to give you tickets. You can say what nothing. Link your tell you the time I got an a street streetfight with a bunch of fucking dudes in Hoboken, New Jersey. I don't think so I'm walking with my girl, Kelly and shelter Kelly, Kelly and Ascii cabal ski Leto. Nope. Nope. Species slater. No, no, no Kelly Slater surfer was back when he was a girl, and I'm in Hoboken, New Jersey, walking after dinner and three young ruffians. Let's call them. They would probably I was twenty three and they were eighteen maybe even seventeen maybe fourteen. Oh, no. But they were they were older. I'll tell you. I know that. So the guy goes guy goes math. Fuck your girl. And I think I go can't have that. We get just walking by mouth fuck yogurt. I stop and I turn one do. Fuck. Your girl for me again. Let me fuck you go that's tough one more time. Now. Buck you go. They were not black Italian. They were probably Hispanic Puerto Rican as they would say on the streets wops. Yeah. No, that's racial walkers. You know, what that stands for what you call an Italian. And that was that was it was a derogatory term because it it meant without papers. So if you came from Italy you like my family, my immigrant family. They didn't have papers almost call them mixing aliens. Yeah. But it was kinda worse back then Italians. So I heard it in. Was the movie where young kid I'll Bronx Bronx tale, they'd call this. If you said, that's my grandfather who was Cillian he'd loses fucking mind on, you know, it was it was very very dry. So these kids were wops or no they were not they were they were a Puerto Rican descent. Okay. What's drug twin for Puerto Rican? I mean, you know, I don't know Rican. I don't know what they Ricans awesome. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Puerto Ricans have a lot of pride and in New York, there's a there's a lot of like a lot of Puerto Ricans came over in the fifties for jobs, then the manufacturing jobs left for the south. So there was a huge Puerto Rican population that didn't have the ability to work. So then you had kids that were living in projects, and you know, troubling sued and stuff, but but there's a lot of pride like a lot of Puerto Ricans prideful like hot girl, Puerto Rico favorites. Some falem say my face. Saves back. The story those fees Ricans were Chirpin they might have been Puerto Rican. But then again, you know, that could be a mix of things. But anyway, so the way their kids, and and I come back I turn around, and I go what did you say? I'm a girl, and he goes on saying anybody girl he's looking down. Because I go all right. And I talk any, but I'll fuck your girl. Now, turn back around. And I go you're talking to me now. And he goes whatever shoes move on move on shoes on shoes. I had a pair of black shoes and back then I would always wear black shoes preferred with steel toed. Boot steel toe and a souls, I could get some traction on. So I could kick. On guy. Remember, kate? I know you laugh, but this is my street much. We'll do I'm not big see what happens to keep going understand. I'm hot head because he told you shoes based off these blast boots. Yeah. They were shoes they weren't even boots have I remember their shoes. So anyway, I think there were like they were like doc Martin's. But not doc Martin's because I didn't like doc. Martin's skinhead words baba. So anyway, so. He calls me shoes. And then I kicked him. I tried to kick him in the face hot headman shoes high. Well, they're not because you're saying I'm gonna fuck your girl. I know, but that's true. Move on shoes. And then and then I I I knew he was fucking with me because he was talking about girl, and I kicked him the face. I didn't quite hit him in the face. I hit him in the shoulder. Long story short. He jumps on me and grabs me around the waist, and now I'm punching him the head can't hurt them. I can't Nolan Ryan style. Yeah. But I'm not hurting him hitting him. And then his two buddies are circling me, but they're not hitting one kid tries to hit me. I kinda duck. It's very awkward. Nobody's tough here. Okay. I ship. It's shit fest me now a woman a girl who's one of their friends. I remember never forget it. She goes how old you how old you, sir? As I'm beating these kids up. Okay. But they're eighteen. So I don't think they I'm trying to flee. Thirteen. You're twenty. They're both my sides to talk more guy. Much. Definitely not. So it's the Puerto Rico law story sort now. Now trying to punch this guy kid. I can't hurt him. Yeah. The kids all I can't hurt him. A cop comes running up. I get away from the kid. I get away from the case. Throw another kick kinda miss his back. He street. Fokker like what the? And I wasn't old. I was twenty three I didn't say Cica. Go Cica take that matter Ricans do what is this? I do. I wasn't old. I was a young tight skin two weeks ago, sir. But three weeks now this so long story short. Nobody gets hurt. The cop comes running up goes who's fighting will I know? But when the cop came running up, I'm moved bounce off him, and he goes who's fighting, and I go those guys grabbed my girl ran away. Now. Here's what's great about the story. Here's how fucked up. I am I'm so angry went back and got a gun that old bride goes gets this car an accurate white accurate over gets in his car, and I get a fucking stick. I had an axe handle. I had an accidental hickory acts handle could I saw a movie somewhere. Somebody's about hickory. And now I'm driving around looking for these fucking guys because I'm gonna I'm gonna hit him as hard as I can in the head. That's how crazy I was never ran into the Liam Neeson's story when you searching for black know, you're searching for. Oh, you're searching for. That's not true never found them anymore for a week a week. That's how Agra moms. I had problems still sell problems. I guess he's angry injustice. I felt like they were being rapists or something. I had they just gradually talking. I'm no, I know they were doing it. They're doing it to me at my girl. It was. Yeah. It was rapi. It was rapi. You know me. I love everybody. You know me if you're on a hot head. But if I'm doing the Lord's work in that situation, tone air cases in the low work. I grazed him. Jay. Wow. But you have to not go. Seek gay me to leave now. Because this is it was I didn't really. Yes. You it wasn't that impressive. Now. I felt can I be honest. I remember this the other thing I felt weak just didn't feel strong. I couldn't get him off me and those other guys I just a couple of fourteen year old eighteen you got it. Got it. We tell each too. Well, did they had full beards? No pukes because they were naked. Oh. Well, at least knowing got hurt dude. Never been diamond. I don't have that angry I dated girl. One time don't get you. But you had that nobody. Here's what you have with business. I know here's what you not with people you, and I have this other thing that we have. And I think we had this in common. When I saw a movie one time, Brian Dennehy plays evil guy. And the guy was talking about him because he doesn't and he goes well problem with him is he gets a notion about you. When he gets notion tends to grow and take on a life of its own you understand until its world Earl seed saying. No, she's saying like, I gotta know gotta think, you know. I think that guy's fucking. But I'm always off though, like we're always off. But doesn't mean you can sleep all night. No, I'll get that. But then like if I don't like, so then let's say run into them wherever it is. Not that. I don't like any comic the comedy store. I've run into them. I'm fine. Of course, you are a Mike let's up do you don't care nine when you sleep in thing. You're like never have that like. Anger issue, or if no you don't have an angry. They have never find anyone over anything. No. Well, you I lose lose who you're gonna fight. Yeah. But even even when I was younger, I'd never ever might not. Well, but I mean, you were always bigger and stronger, right? Now's the we've gone over this. I was a late bloomer. Yeah. Brothers the beach. Yeah. I never had any of that. But I feel like you were just an athlete and you never had to prove that for for other guys. It's like for me. I just got bullied when I was in eighth grade got a little scar. Yeah. I was really for a whole year. So when that happens to you, I talked to the therapist about it. But he goes. Because I talking about being I was talking about being hot like a lot about. No, I got hot in couples therapy. Okay. And he said, you're comfortable in this warrior energy. They talk this way. I go. I don't know about that goes we bullied, and I went for all your eighth grade a year whole your seventh grade actually longtime ago though, you don't get. That's when you said that. The program thing because because if now it's like if you out kill you, all you build a defend Bill to do something. That. But there's a lot of people like like Dax Shepard talks on his pica thought. I'm how he still feels like the loser kid when he's twelve years old and detour Troy Michigan because he was really tall and skinny didn't get any girls. So he Ford a reason that calculate, you know, ingrained in his brain right at that time when he's twelve I really have. I've things I think the reason I have chip on my show f things happening sports where I was treated different than other people that ingrains where you know, you're always trying to prove something. Yeah. Those things are all good. It's very strange how when you're that young those kind of crazy impacts your life can kind of create this weird ripple effect. I always ignored it. Right. And then you get into therapy. And then they they break down your behaviors. And so what happens is, okay. So, hey, Brian like, if you if you were talking to me when I was fourteen you might have said, look, I'm glad I wrestled. It made me who I am. But the amount of time I spent trying to be tough trying to like like, my black belt, and taekwondo progressing, jujitsu boxing, still that time could have been spent learning how to dance sing and play the piano. I. Hindsight. I'm saying I wonder if that was more who I was than than this other things think comes from deficiencies, your father feeling insecure feeling having childhood all the thing where I didn't have any control right right to that being terrorized from seven the my entire seventh grade all trying to build this armor the shield. Yes. But if he the Carl young in the psychiatrist said, he goes that what you don't work out in your in your sub conscious like if you don't bring the subconscious to the conscious. No, you will act out his fate in your life. It will it will it will like work its way into like your behaviors. And you'll keep repeating the same pattern. They think you should see a therapist for like a mental workout the same. As you go to the gym for your. I never believed in it. You look at me with emotions look at me with the motions. I don't like that stuff. You ever seen a therapist cat? Really? I need to though figured was going to say we all do in a way. It's very interesting chin. You never have the Thurbers that I feel like I should give you your money back thirty. It's very very unconvenient. Right. See very, yeah. Unless you're going through some crazy stuff. Maybe it. Here's the thing. It's very uncreative puts nineteen. Yeah. It it's not there's there's no more on Korean very very African American very white like seeing a therapist is just what healthy human should do. Your teammates won't won't say his name, but footballer flying a fighter he was walking with his with his therapy with his I guess sports psychologist, and they were going through you guys all do that. That's a form of therapy. Right. It's a mental coach coaches. It's all mental. Yeah. I remember. Grudge? They used to have a guy come in like just openly talk about it. And I ten AM. And then my coach text me goes, hey, you're the last person on earth who needs to see a mental coach no need to come at ten AM. I was like, oh, he's definitely right? And then I remember as I got older, my kinda fucked me because I might have helped me, but they thought I was so like squared away and driven the like, you don't need anyone in your head right now like your until you're about to compete and fight a monster. And they locked cage. But even that I was good for the most part. But then I felt like they they kinda screwed me over venture. I've actually found I still use those techniques now even in comedy. Yeah, breathing, but but especially back, then it was almost like it was like a bitch move think you'll you need a mental coach do just get through it. But I remember that go GSP's like really, yes. So when you knew no, that's what do you say to people who who have trouble getting when they're in their own way. Do you saying no there's nothing anybody can say if you're coming to meet a figure out how to? Get your own way, you need to talk. Somebody knows what the talking, but as far as therapist goes like Michael Phelps talks about how he like how life changes for him. So many people for LA in LA. It's almost like, you don't have a therapist. I don't I don't I don't I've been to couples therapy. But I haven't seen like shit up stock. But people say, it's amazing. The most successful people. I know talk. This is very insular something there. It's kind of like the most people I know have a manager. Most successful comedians do have major most success people have a business manager. Yeah. And then some people will do it myself like we have. But I look at these guys you're taking time to do it yourself and other thing is that you don't know your own mind when you sit down what's one what I sat down with the dude. You can't see it right, dude. It's been doing it for thirty eight years. Now, that's a guy like anything else. He's been studying human brain. He works people who are dying cancer patients, this motherfucker who knows how. New book and thinking, you're complicated. You tell them you childhood, and he goes like this. He goes, let's stop for sec hold on for a sec. And he'll give you some insights. And just have you think about it because creative process where you're like. Oh, well, I got in the ring with a dude has been doing it. I got in the ring with a guy. He's a mental. He's at all. And you're not the toughest rubik's cube. Oh, I was he's like excuse me right here. Correct. Correct. Now, this one's a little town next. That's right. But here's my thing with the childhood when people ask me certain questions my child. I I don't know. Maybe if I was in the right situation it bring back memories. But there's a lot of stuff. Maybe it C T. I don't may as some older. I don't remember shitload for my childhood. Yeah. I remember certain major things in the way I was raised. I don't remember. I don't either. I don't think a lot of people do do though. My buddy said to me, my buddy jet said, I don't I know he he'd know me my best oldest friends. He goes, you know, I know almost nothing about your childhood. But I don't think about it much. Like, I don't I don't talk about it. I don't I I mentioned things with my brother like certain vans. But I think a lot of sports. But then I also like. But if you asked me last month are we in may yes did last may I could not tell you, right, but sewing, oh, you're in tour in Australia. Then I can go through it remind me, but my I'm not calculating. I think it's because we are so busy with future so much going on. My plate. I remember certain things in childhood like if I drive by like a field of grass, I will get triggers that go Mr. Weaver, waking up sixteen grass at certain things. And then I'll remember the people are there. Remember, the gloves. I was where I remember the cleats. I remember what workout we're doing. I remember what day it was to teat. But it has to be certain reminders when I went to Dan Gable's camp in Iowa. And they would wake us up and make us run sprints. We train like the Hawkeyes do that. That's that's why I was like, oh, this is what T one hold on. This is d one wrestling. Okay. Can keep that. But I remember I remember when I smell grass now because there was thinking about the grass when I would be running in the morning and the fucking misery, and when I smell grass like certain sometimes like that I get instantly brought back to that for that one that one weekend that two weeks of not talking about a lifetime body of work. When I hear the grasping saying. Traumatic. Yes, you're still two weeks. I gotta say, yes. Not to care. And I wasn't wrestler in New England. Yeah. For sure, but the grass when it makes, but but no graph digress. In in Iowa in the summer. Sure, don't say sure. I know I didn't spend time sprinting I'm just saying I remember in when I smell a Matt same thing. That my back would start to hurt when I my lower back would seize up because I think about losing weight rigors. Yep. Certain meals that will trigger memories bit cards. Remind me, and my brother collected cards certain things that song. Cock remind you of. Just you. Not when you're. Never molested. I think the cold because I remember we they call it dirty. Dozens Spacey the way they weed out football players. So you'd have you'd been your regular call. You gotta call schedule cat, imagine recalled schedule, but then having to work out at four AM and five AM so you'd have to but this is spring Colorado Buller, Colorado, so it's freezing. So there'd be like a huge snowstorm. And so this guy might have a Jeep when roommate so you have to wake up. Shoveled the truck off that's four thirty because if the the whistle blows at five AM, so it's and then remember you don't park by the by the facility up down, then hike up in the snow. So you'd have to wake about four him all of us would. And then you'd have to fuck in get all the ice off the truck and then go from there to the facility park. That's just don't worse shit. I can and then walk up and now St. one sport is stealing their shit together. Now, remember when you get done with that which usually ends at seven because you'll be at class at eight when ends at seven. You got a shower then go to class for the whole day. Get ready because then you have cracks in the afternoon spring ball. You can what was is. I remember wake about four. And I've always thrived off this ice to thrive off the other guys complaining how tough it with. 'cause like all this is cooler thinks this is tough, which it was really tough the tough thing I've gone through by remember in off a navy seal thing the navy seals like in buds out, the the the the everyone there's tough, but then certain things guys would quit thrive off the guy's credit. This guy. I just was talked here. Strange who is navy shell said this. He goes you look at. Look at a regular guy little bigger, you know. But I was like I I know I could never do that. I could never deal with the cold. I don't know how you deal with that fucking cold. I see you guys in the buds things. I'm like start shivering. He goes he said, yeah. But I wanted it so badly and the, and yes it, and I thought about all the people that did incredible things when they wanted something when they had to do it, and I had to make it. So for me, it was, you know, purposely purposely not shiver when they came. I want to be on that see football team so bad if they'd like his job, you gotta eat this piece of shit Tuesday out eight shit our soccer. Our soccer, literally, whatever they wanted to do. Yeah. They I wanted so about eight pieces of shit every Tuesday just to be on the team fact pathway. Yeah. So if you have any shit out there, let me know. That kind of desire is really important though. It's kind of idea of you have this idea of in your mind what you want. Think you want, you know, thank you. Well, that you think you want. Yeah. Never ever no time. I did one that you guys have any triggers any trees from childhood strange handle weird relationship with a thority figures me like your dad, not necessarily just dad. But like anyone who is in a position above me? So like work teachers like parents stuff like oh, wow. I grew up with like, very, I mean, my parents love me, Bo is very like conditional love. It was like I love you as long as you fall under these categories, Asian, right? That's how I was raised. And that's how they were raised. So we didn't really know any other way like unconditional love is a very new concept to me weird. Yeah. So you have problems with authority figures kind of problems. I'm the people pleaser like I hate to disappoint 'cause I feel like if I fuck up with a thority figure. It's kind of like my parents like, oh, I did something wrong. So now, they're mad at. Yeah. Like that love is gone now. So you do everything you can to earn that love again. Oh, wow. That's fascinated. Chin you were born same way or not raise Safeway as far as like a thorny figures. Yeah. Pretty much. I mean, if someone's older than me always look at them as like, they're always better than me. They're always smarter than was stronger, everything even if it's one year older until I grew up in older. The parents point in you, all like, do they think you'd be a doctor some shit? Do. They know what you do they deaf. No, they're proud. But they definitely want me to go down another road for sure. And do what of course, doctor lawyer, right? Most doctors who immigrate to this country. Yeah. That's what doctor lawyer like it's this weird American dream is their friends their when they hear lawyer doctor. They they're like, oh my God. They're so awesome. They want that same for their family. It's not even they don't care so much about being a doctor or lawyer. It's how much it lifts up. Your whatever it's the status. Yeah. The study I was talking to be I was talking to. My girl's brother, Stephen who who played high level baseball. And he has a buddy who's playing pro. And he got drafted was the first big in the second round something like that. And then it didn't really work out and came back, and he's like I can't now like you so ashamed of not playing they not playing. He doesn't wanna see anyone associated it. He's moved onto something else. That is so crazy man, we were just talking about my son playing sports like that. I was just telling how crazy the concept is of professional sports because if is so this is this is so if you want to be a lawyer, doctor right there steps you take to get there. Now, if I told you the average career of being a lawyer doctor was two and a half three years, you go the fuck, that's the average Intuit at you. Absolutely. I would never dedicate my life to achieving that in professional sports, look up the avid lick it up. Jen, Google average careers of NFL and NBA just. Sessional? It's so short. So even if you make really short, so even if you make it if your dream is to be in the NFL UFC, MBA, M O B, and you achieve that dream. Your average dream that dream is gonna last probably about three years. It's so insane. I want it don't wrong. It's all three point three sports, isn't it? Awesome. And you should definitely inspired a point three years three years. The NFL claims that the average career is about six years players make clubs opening day roster and the rookie season so Bohol even Sixers play for six years. Right. Six years. Imagine point five year dedicating your life, then base four nephew. It's unbelievable. But think about it your whole life so aid. Check it off you made it you're in the NBA. You have a fucking jersey. You're one of eleven come asking last four years the crazy that is now it's fantastic. That's why we watch sports. That's why the guys who do make a. A long jetty living doing it paid hundreds of millions of dollars. But on in general, you're gonna make it take Kate your life to it. But can be four years of glory. You know, how crazy when I when I when I decided to off actor, my friend said to me, he goes, he goes you want to be an actor terrible idea. I go I want to be a Senator while you're at it because he goes he goes, I said I want to be an actor because you want to be a movie star. And I go. Yeah. And he goes, I guess, and he goes, no, you don't guess what you wanna do. And he said, so why don't you try being a Senator? And I was like what do you mean? He goes. Well, there are one hundred senators how many movie stars are there. You got a better chance of being a center. And I was like I don't like. These odd. I don't put the odds of stupid. I hate when people if you ever meet decisions based. Of course. I'm just saying. No, it's just when you have dreamy go for but the chances of making it. They went says it's so stupid to me when people will, you know, chance you making high with less than one. I don't need that. I need any of that. But that's those that is the reality that is the numbers which St. reality. But if that's your passion odds, do not dictate your dream that all doesn't make don't make sense of your odds. Just go listen when people give you on. Yeah. 'cause you know, a lot of times, it's you're you're in your own way. And that's that's that kind of talk gets in your own way. But but it it that's crazy though. It's true. But I understand it worth playing for worth it. But here's the thing. So I'm not saying don't pursue a professional career in sports. Do you can do that? But in the things you pick up along the way are going to be learning expanses, you're not gonna get any work in field in the world. And then the network that people are gonna meet, and the workout they're getting get from it. And then maybe your best friend is he's in the NFL too. And then you guys do some after that. And you both all have these experiences in life. That is not you can't get anywhere else. And you're learning and shit like that you learn a lot of stuff, you know, one of the base problems now with education that they're finding is that because people are making their specializing so much. You're learning learning really like myopic learning you're very myopic. You're not learning. You're not able to apply what you're learning. This little thing. This little field into a lot of other things. So rain. Is also important. So a lot of times when you go for stuff learning, essentially, you're learning a lot more than you think you are. You know, you get you gain a lot. Ios crazy man, but in some schools now, you know, they really you remember, especially when I was specially when you were growing up, but especially with me that remember like remembering dates like when did this have there's no more of that. Because now use Google date. Now, you learn the concepts wise Bill, but also you fucking idiots. You got me learning. Yeah. When cl- Christopher Columbus. When the first amend all this shit. I know I I'm wondering I'm memorizing number. I don't even know what to think. No. I've no idea. What happens now what to pass the test nineteen whatever it is. It said a teach me out of me. But they're doing the same thing colleges. Now that she's more to think anymore now chance now they don't do dates now, they why was this a Bill because I did this past right? What was going on the reason, which is brilliant? A lot of people come out of it not knowing even talking about science a lot of times the models people use. For climate science, whatever it might be lots. They're not even aware of how the model came to be who came up with the model is that model actually working in the real world. And so they're all kinds of shortcomings that are being addressed zero instinct, but also like especially with kids like there's pros and cons of YouTube, and ipads, but some of those kids they learned shit so fast now that they're on their ipad, we go to preschool, and they're teaching my son colors numbers. He's like bits, please. What and he'll all the alphabet s- all the coz like this is what you to do for the year. We'll know he knows it because he got it off his learning apps that we have met home. You gotta do something else for my money. Here. You got to teach them some other shit. Whatever this is we're past. Netflix has a show that my kids watch and education show. It's so fucking entertaining Baylor and everything they learn shit. They wouldn't even learn school. It's unbelievable like traditional ways of. Education as well. That was based on it was based on the Victorian model of credit. Good factory workers. So you have a bell. You sit at a desk you sit in a row, it's just like it's like an assembly line. So it was based on on being good but workers not being innovators. Good workers. But we're so we're so kind of ingrained, and we're so conditioned that you go to elementary to middle school high school, then you go to college. And then it's like no that is the answer. So here's what here's what tiger moms a lot of Asian families are coming up against so a lot of times an Asian families. You're you're given a choice between the violin and the piano, and you specialize new play that until from you started young age, and you play that all the way through makes you a really good piano player. Here's a problem for whatever reason, it doesn't make you can read music and everything doesn't make you necessarily somebody who can write good music or innovate with good news now. And if you look at the people that come up with music that we all listen to innovate last time self taught played a lot of different instruments. And some of lot of them, which I didn't know a lot of them. Can't even read music. Oh, I know they're just because they learned by year and inspiration. And they learn by playing a lot of difference until they finally graduate gravitated toward toward one. It's the same thing in sports like if you talked any like high level federal scout. You talked to any scout. They don't want kids who specialize in sports. So he cannot come. Join us brother Stephen yesterday is. He goes if tiger plays baseball kids in especially on the west coast here than the east coast they play year round year travel team, if you talking I mean, there's beasts like trout and stuff did play your own. But if you talked to any major league scout the new we want so new play basketball football baseball football scouts love kid who wrestle up because it's one on one in the mental toughness. It comes from. They don't want specialization. But all the parents want all the idea, and they're finding that when you do a lot of different sports. And then they even took the only guy Gulf is. It might be an exceptionally. Tiger Woods Roger Federer played every sport with the ball. He didn't he didn't gravitate toward tennis seriously until he was teen tennis and golf a little different like the skill. So you're sure, but even then they call it cognitive entrenchment. When you just want sport, not a good idea for almost all sports and music and stuff doing a lot of things when you're young so important huge. It's range. It's range. There's a book written on it called rain's coming up. David. What did your parents want? You to be a pharmacist. They say our logic was safe it pays well. And that it's one of the easier things to do within the medical field. Would they didn't think you'd go for the full shebang? Like, that's like you wanna be. They wanted you to be a nurse instead of a doctor like no they want me to be a pharmacist because it's easy easier. It's easier. Dossey still at hade, basically, they wanna do that. No. And then at the end the day. My parents were like, well, if we put you there medical school, you're not gonna learn you're not gonna do. Well. So let's not waste the money on that. What you do just because I'm not into it. But it's not your thing. Yeah. I think the biggest thing it was like, well, you'll probably be better off if you do something that you like rather than do something that you don't like do they know you like like acting and stuff like that. Yeah. So they sent me to do theater. Also down there still there cool if they would prefer if I did pharmacy. How about this how this is a stat? So do you know that Nobel prize winning scientists are twenty two times as likely to have to be an amateur actor musician writer a win as any other scientists in the same field, so literally Nobel prize the ones that broke the mold because they think different. I think different. Think about other shed two other shit or not so finite lane like Steve Steven Jobs. Steven Jobs is just all. Steve Jobs, Steve Stevens job, Mr. jobs jobs. How about how about jobs jobs carnahan's at my house and fell asleep for hours during the fights? Or? Canal fight, which we'll talk about. But and I like Cowboys fi too. But he he he's like a love Schaub Xiao is great. I finally been sitting altering the podcast wasn't stopping. Shout, brother. Say shop just S H A. Hey, by the way, came to my house had been had been Joe the best happen to drinking and just was tired. As fuck. I think especially I'm not kidding. I have people over had the fight over now. Now, listen, I hope he he sits there. I sees me. You look tired of talking on both here at my house. Voiced his movie yet helping to stress so he he sits down next thing. I know in the middle of he's this with his hat on. He's this. He's this. For sure deep sleep dis for four hours. And I don't mean not three I mean for our he got a half a night. Good sleep at east least he's doing this in the middle as people talking to that. He's doing this. He's gone. We seem one point goes. Direct in this league. Talking heat having house movie did opening weekend. L Chicano L Shikano. I don't up gym love hype. Bring you out. You know, they're out there out there because probably not a strong showing looking at we'll compete with. And game a throw. Yeah. They make sense. But still trying to go see it five hours ago. Let's not very. Yeah. Well, not that strong. Well, let's weren't they weren't that strong. What's that wasn't the top ten number eleven eleven right behind Dumbo bad makes two thousand I'll get their money back. It just takes its first week. Yeah. So I mean, look Dumbo has been out. It's right behind on. What's been out for six weeks? Not terrible story made more money than pet cemetery. Yeah. It'll just peach weekend. Wait. He stressed stress is a hold on. I line of all this. So I'm off. That's just the money. They made that weekend. So correction, Brendan Dumbo made. A hundred million dollars and to China. Seven hundred. Yeah. So. It'll make it'll make it's money back. Take some time. Some of our slow burns. But boss levels the shit. That's backing away for that move. It's just I loved Georgia's hope is that fuck you said he spent like only six million raised six million for it. So that's huge already. Yeah. Of course, people who tell us that the movies like El Chicano should be supporting them. But the type of thing is bit simplistic, quite Franklin salt when Moody's bad we saw them feeling this weekend by Jones than we thought. One of those. All right. It's I it's bit of hater. I don't. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta say it's not my type of movie theaters and see it. Now what I took my son to see ugly dolls and that movies fucking awful. You know what? My son said the same thing. Dude, I fell asleep and I woke up with Papa onboard east three board here. Just eat more Eminem's chilies gotta get outta here. Three. Papa fell asleep. Yeah. Slap me. Let's get the fuck out. Right. Carnahan so focused on anything about four hours, totally refreshed. I'm like well things over I sent him attention. I sent him attention over sent him and Grillo Texaco. Hey, Joe when you came into my house and slept for four hours. He's exhausted. He burns it hard. He works so hard really the best to how funny was that clip. They put out of him hating on dragons and just get all high was so fun. Kind of dragon, dude. Of course, Joan knows every movie there is and every business yet. He's amazing. He's such a good writer off, right? Okay. Well, you did you see they were swapped for sports street streetfight and some Mosey on over from the house stumble over here sweats. Yeah. Crumble issue like this. I like that shirt. It's cute. Now, are you shooting again for you are you back shooting? I like school, man. It's always watch it when I see it. Watch it. Yeah. Yeah. It's a good bridge is all right, but school like schools fun. We'd beat empire in the ratings. It's Chrissy smell it's out. So that's what Jesse small at jussie. Not Jesse Jesse come whatever I want. Okay. I call him a liar piece of shit. You need him in the in the ratings go. Oh, you beat empire school did. Yeah. It keeps getting better. I was like. On show. I don't really like the network shows that I'm telling him. I'm just not think as you're on. It's good show. Thanks, buddy. Appreciate at least. I got it. Only took me twenty five years show. Who know you were on it's been. Hey goldberg's. Yes. True for five years. My talk to do you just want to do PR for my special drops next Friday on Showtime, if you want free Showtime, Showtime dot com, promo code shop three days promos on it. Thanks, man. Thank you. However, doing PR. I I just don't wanna do it, man. I know I don't I don't think it helps. I think the list and I'm just like, I'm yes. Yes. Barstool? That's my crowd that this this the other stuff, Mike. No, I turned down. I probably ten things that they've sent to me like, well, what do you want to do on the? I'm not gonna want to go over some stuff with you too. They wanted to do stuff in New York when it starts streaming when complicated starts screaming at the New York next week to do all this PR. I the. Ones in New York are to cheddar. I hear. That's good chatter. Yeah. Certain things are much bigger than him barstool. And I'm doing my own thing. Like, I'm doing a food truck with paulie out there. Mall is your boy, we're doing a food truck. I'm doing I got responded poly because I'm right now. No, no on Rogan's podcast. Give me a second. I'm Rogan's podcast. Rogan said paulie had gotten paid to Spar with Connor. And there's a lot of things that were not true. According to Paul. So it's was like not that I'm gonna read about it. But it was just like way. What do you mean the way Joe characterize Pauly's sparring session and how he got paid? And all that's not accurate. Let's you guys podcast Rogan said that Paul yet paid Connor. And that which is true. That was that was I believe not true. A believe everything that Joe is saying Polly said was completely off and just for the record. That's the case. So what do I know? What do I know Joe was saying that? That Polly got paid to Spar with Connor just read that and not out loud. I don't know if it's appropriate. You just heard your Joe Rogan parents. Thank you. I definitely recognize you of the hangover. Definitely. No. You from Brennan finding the kid. That's. I did I did about them to crack Joe as he's been wrongly. Okay. I was not paid by Kana, nor did I care 'cause by Tom I left on my nothing do with him. Now northern money. So he was not paid by common. Yeah. I believe I think he comes. Because when I when I saw him at the gym, he's working with Mike Lee and those guys and he's doing it. He's he's not getting paid for that. He's just they're spending a lot for flight. Yeah. But he's also they're giving people pointers and stuff. You know? Joe's defense, though. Conner's team reached out the Paul who's retired fighter at the time to pain to bring him in. Now. Did he get paid? I don't think probably want to get paid. Yeah. I don't I don't think Joe's trying to defend cadre. I just think now I know off the cuff. I'll see Joe Joe doesn't know Polly story. Right. 'cause I know probably story because Polly's my boy, meanwhile, he talked, you know, Jodi talk the Polly, Joe types, Dana white, so he's going to have that perspective. Right. So of course, that's that's Joe's perspective. Yes. Something he doesn't like, paulie. No. He likes beauty. We we're talking about great. Paulie is as an analyst. And how cerebral is how smart even with the situation? Joe's getting it from the UFC. Yeah. So there that's me once well, they're they're co things we all know fighters are the most sensitive people on the fucking planet. Correct fighters in comics, fighters, and comics, but I would even say comics fighters are more sensitive for sure come I experience skin fighters. The most sensitive people I've ever met in my life about their honor about what set about. Whenever comics right there, man, comics are just so. Thomas are right there say something bad. I'll get a tat even joking hood. I mean, just the fact that comics are comics already shows, you that they're insecure fact fighters are fight one hundred percent, I come from some kind of they will not forget, what if you say one thing, they won't know fighters. They'll be like, oh, who's the comic? What's his name? The dude who. The white guy who. I don't see he does black comedy. He doesn't. But you know, what I'm talking about? Reach out to me because I heard he's on the road. He would shots, bro. First of all, I need come on your podcast. He is where did Bryant here that? I didn't say you did say that. Oh that Gary Owen? Fuck. Sorry, gary. And he goes he was me, and Brian we're actually in the movie together. I didn't mean to go bad on him. Will you just means that he's difficult? I didn't need like he's like, I'm not difficult at all. No. I've never been known for that. First of all, I got our politics. And then he because after that we both said, here's my well. No, my friend just heard a story. And I shouldn't said it out loud. I actually instantly regretted it because that's bullshit. It was from one person he's been comedy for ever. And he's a beast. And by the way, my also should say the person stories said he was really nice for the rest of the weekend. But he that up better comic. I formerly. I dunno Gary, but politics, he said, he he'll come on the podcast. Apologize a mom. So it can. Here's this sorry to. Late damn I feel bad about they should because I know he's a good guy. Damn damn it. I should've told you that I hate I know, but you should not have regurgitated a story about a fellow comic yet. It was one person. Then they're always stories like. Always late though too late for that. But then you come out and said, I did Jerry not about Gary sorry, Gary. I've never heard anything about about Gary heard story, and I don't give names because I I don't need that heat in my life. I'd need. All hope. I can't listen to what I said. Oh, you're terrible person. So with Jerry up terrible do because you don't know you're talking about John also with Gary bad. I'm not saying you didn't hear. But he talks about it on. It was with with Charlemagne Andrew short shot. Brilliant idiots when favorite podcasts. He's on there. And he goes, yeah. Like Bryan Callen fighting the kid. He's I don't think it's the story goes I was only on the road. He's only had a problem once as with this guy who is a manager who disrespected me, and we had an issue. That's only happened once in my entire Gary and he's been doing comedy for a long time. Her twenty areas, come on the podcast. Get him on the podcast, somebody reach out reach after guaranteed. Come on a podcast. He's funny man, feel bad. You should dude. That was really it's so against what I do. I fucking shouldn't stake. It was the promise. We do the same thing. Even below the belt, this whatever I'm doing. I don't think anyone's gonna lists. What I mean people here shocking effort horse try to make Brian laugh or be Saint something or? Yeah. Shit from your own family. I've sent me all to I'll Mike trying to be you don't know make you laugh for Cadillac, and like I'll say something about someone like on the Showtime film, like an all access up to my Showtime. And then I go. Yeah. I don't know. I'm always working on. I don't end up like Brennan Frazier. Shout Brendon Frazier because a week ago we're talking about Britain Frazier. Yeah. So is fresher my mind how shape he was. Yeah. And then when I want to eat, I watch I like Brennan feel bad. Because what if he sees? That's how I felt. What happens if I saw someone go I end up like Brennan shop with something that I'm insecure about I'd be so you're not like that. I'm not like that. No. I'm not, you know me did that is trying to be funny. Get that fuck around this funny. So you went bad on Gary in your person, if you want to realize you for day, you can't feel like a deck, but but till your defense than it's definitely not Gary. He's amazing comic. There are comics who we we? Yes. United same where I like to when I go to club where I get friendly with the managers because you're together for whole weekend. You know, just do a lot together. What suppress whatever I like to go has been difficult, and they tell me these horror stories, and it's so interesting because you like what none of our group Navarre friends, but it'd be people that you heard of like no way they seem so freely like night, man. I love hearing those actors like that. It's great. Boy. It's so again the demands about Comey tickets they sell like forty and they ask for all pink. Starbucks. Yeah. We can't do it, by the way all of us have moments. And I like, obviously, even if Gary did something we all have moments. I've done things where people would be like what a dick to managers. Just never you never know sometimes, you know, duck and you have a shitty day and something goes wrong. And then they they make the story up. Fuck I feel and then you pile on top of millions of. Yeah. Gary. No, I'm going to tweet out to you. Number not for you. I can't do that know the promise you get tweet. I'm now he's like four or five weeks bad. How do I how do I d m? Diem on Instagram DM skin, medium, talked on Instagram, Jerry. I like you bronze bed person. What can you do? Did know. He's okay apologize. What I can do. And we can get him on the podcast. Yeah. I'm older than that. I know. That's the thing your mom still. I can still make mistakes. What do you mean? I got a lot of learning. You're done. Learn you're not gonna learn. Dont, but some nice slip up. What you should know better, by the way, he's a big kid too. Yeah. About a fighting hustle. I don't know dude might be tussle beautiful wife too. By the way, she is. You know, his story is interesting because days wife is gorgeous. She she married person out. But his his stories intricate using the marines and now like me more, but he got out because he got offer. Do I think it was some big comedy thing? And he went to his head guy was like, listen, man. You can I'm doing this can either let me go honorably or either way I'm out because my my my patches. So let me out and they let him out. Yeah. He got voted like fucking dude in the marines or some shit homeless servicemen and serve servicemen in America. I've never seen comedy. He's funny, man. He got funniest black comedian San Diego. Tastic? It's hilarious. How old is he? He does a ton of work. Yeah. Forty four. Well, he's a younger guy a bad personally established that. You guys are in a movie to together to dick. Yeah. Right along. And I think like a man. I mean, you're in there for three seconds. I hear you. Hey, well, like me say Meanshile buffer both in fucking you. Don't say. Got out of the movie. Right, right. I hear you, man. That is. You story about that movie. He's in think like a man I love that movie right along like a man to get the fuck outta my face. Get hard amazing movie. Meet the blast didn't see that. Once meet the blacks, you see that. You just get hard. Let's get moving. Do some current events years and talk about the fight. Oh. Well, I thought that the you watch on design. I watched Paul. What? You know, I really pay a month for dissolve. I don't know. But I I already paid while back when he had his first fight on has. I had to get you at the out. Where'd you? Where'd you get that that TV? My smart TV downloaded it. And they into it. I didn't wife had someone do it. Okay. But if you legally I didn't know because I wanted to watch on the big screen. But if you did. Yeah. But sometimes I asked to on the big screen. Remember when I can find that to hit you up been doing for years. All right talking about stop winking. Everybody can see it. You're not being subtle the of your mouth. Making cut it out. I do. But if. Cata would you are not to drop a name his wife was pregnant interviewed. I mean, he answered this. This is my wife and she's pregnant, and he goes that did that. Hey, stop waking. It's not that complicated. Just think of I think I couldn't canal belongs in conversation with one of the great fighters put him I put him in. I believe if you took canal when you put them up against Marvin Hagler Sugar Ray, Leonard you put them up against anybody in history. I think he holds his days right there. I think he holds us what's next room? I think he's mentally sound Dana because it's such a fucking beast. A lot of people think he beat triple g I do. And that's how good he is. And bigger and canal is just so fundamentally sound as what whatever name just don't know where Cannella goes from here. Got a lot. Like major fight Earl Spencer junior talk to go up and find him which amazing fight at maisy so much bigger than Spence. He's expenses. I don't know. Did like there's like the triple g the the rubber fight. I guess. What that fifty four fifty four. No. That was a sixty. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah. That's big big jump for offense. That's a big jump Cheryl spent but for canal like no blockbuster fighting think of right now like trip the triple Jacobs. It's going to be a locked. And when you look at the way, he was punching Cannella was blocking almost all of the shots. Head movement was. No. So did you know, he's my favorite to what he also changed his style. He saw me he stopped fighting the way wasn't the beginning. It started saying it. And he's sitting there moving forward thing about to do both outside and box. He can do that what you do against Geeta. You want ply pressure? Can do that what you did in the second finance triple gem you want to do a combination of both can do that Danny Jacobs? Now. He's so unbelievable, Dan. There's nothing like after the fight. There's nothing. Yeah. I don't know, man. There's nothing like, oh, I have see this next. Now. Right. Tricky who is there is there? Anybody Earl Spencer, the only thing, but I think Earl Spence Earl Spencer's are gonna go up from forty seven or fifty four whatever Earl Spencer fight and Shawn porter net. Yeah. I know maybe Crawford. Nice. Shawn Crawford here. Not fighting. No Spencer port Crawford. I wanna see that fight. But I want I wonder how does can can I think walks at one eighty stick? He's very thick. But he could fight a fifty four. Oh, you they can meet at fifty four. Yeah. There's just no like huge fight for him. Where you like, oh, this is the like for Spence in Crawford like that fit for Mikey Garcia like there's for Loma chango like, oh, we can do this like you think of fights for them. But otherwise now. Cowboys continues to astonish. Yeah. You look great, man. Fucking. He gets that Connor fight and July. You think that's going to happen? I think if if there's a fighter can bring Connor out it'd be throwing it checks all boxes for both guys. This Donald up to third. I think maybe what's because I went to was fourth. I was forth depends because remember he's fine at seventy when he left he's writing to fifty five jumped seventy lost their one. They're now he's back fifty five eight now, he's all eat number four. I think they need to put them somewhere. I think at least gotta pull that four. If not three I'd love see fight tiny. I see him me to of needs five title him over give him a tunnel story. But I would I the only fight to make you have cowboy on call for import could be sewing steps up its time shot but outside that Cowboys should go Connor next July. Then fight the winner of dozen poor could be I think cowboy rides off in the fucking sunset this cute, little son and his wife. He goes make more babies love them. There's the game. I love. Well, I feel like I feel like the the person that gives Khabib the biggest fits in that entire division is actually Donald throne because his wrestling so good his wrestling's better. His wrestling jujitsu is arguably maybe better than all of those guys including Tony for absolutely absolutely not absolutely not wrestling college. And it's phenomenal. Wrestling is not Don good wrestler. Nowhere wrestle though. When does he when was the last he's out wrestle? He was punched by Darren till and stuff, but I haven't seen him out wrestled. Right. I mean name name a rest of that. He's well, he's a the I heard from guys trained with them. You probably know I'm telling you right now, not not a better grappler wrestler. Tony figures, not a better heart. Silly as good. No nowhere new really Pressler. Background shuts Saint his good as m. My MA was talking about as a matter can hang wrestling with anybody to be well, that's way off her could be different. Yeah. So you think Tony's more challenge getting taken down by could be. Yeah. Yes. Cowboys getting taken down like a BS. It's Kevin lists getting everybody. Can you get back up whether the storm and drag him out to fourth who does that better? Tony over one hundred percent far scrambling. Oh, Tony all day. Tony's a scrambler. That's what he does. Yeah. Catchy. In the scramble. Tony could be is the best match up to make it one fifty five barman hands down outside that there's really no one fucking with could be there's no one. Because I've handled you can't get nine close that that that one thing that Connor did where he doubled up on the on the one hand whether it's up standing up or on the ground at did keep Khabib at least at bay for from. From face in. But he's still on top. You santarpio's still win like you're not gonna he's not going to blow anyone out the water. It's far as knocking them out or no that one formula. Nobody can solve is getting take you. Is getting everyone knows scoop your legs either. The can't do anything about everyone the world's taking down. It's just Tony's the best kind of scramble guy in the game. So Tony could do that. Just engage. You can wrestles ass off problem with just engages though healing has one speed healings. I gear and he says, I guess that's just way. It was funny when he was talking to you on your I watched a clip of. Yeah. And he he's very sensitive about sort of being called an exciting fighter, which could no reckless. No. He his trigger for him as a great conversation. His trigger for him. When you call him, a reckless fighter calculated. Yeah. Which I don't quite agree with. But I don't know. But we had I I didn't watch that. So I don't they showed me and get into it. But not like, we're arguing a point of view. Well, no, dude, you're you reckless in this regard. And he's a cat. But it's Kathy that's fine. But that stylish reckless and I went off. So you can upset by standing trigger. That'd be if you tell me. Shitty at something. And I know I'm not trigger. Yeah. It's off see something touchy for he's a guy who fight you in a phone booth, and and go toe to toe, and I think that can always be considered small clubs more reckless than a guy who's more cast. So she with his wrestling. That's why so excited but him verse could be that opening round be fun now as two three four could be taken down. Do you? Remember, justin. What's his wrestling? Paul American University. Kreis on all American all God. Wow. Wow. Striking's been could be more explosive. But after the first round if you down with what happens like somebody's telling me, he was gonna he was a really good wrestler. They wanted to go wrestle at university of I think it was ASU. And I and I said he goes, I just couldn't hang a y you guys in high school that are undefeated they wrestle all three years. Nobody beats him. He goes everybody on the team is like that at issue. Yeah. Like eighty one program. They were all so sick. It was like it was like they were. So he ever so good. 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If you didn't know he's black. I was like, oh, I don't wanna listen to this. What is he doing do some research his dad's black that's black still little tough man because he looked so white? He looks like Chris looks awfully Middle Eastern there. He looks like he's selling drugs. Yeah. You looks like I'll Bainian slave 'em. Looks looks 'em. Look for yellow well Eminem's a white Walker in that picture. He looks like Eminem rocker king north. Yeah. Clearly dead. Chris looks like he's sills fucking human ever been in the sun. Chris looks episode white or a white Walker. And then you got the kid on the right? Yeah. If Chris was in the snow, you'd be like worse, Chris. Yeah. And then you gotta logic whose who looks like he looks like he belongs in Cape Cod. Gic logic does Cape knowledge looks like he literally he's a phenomenal. He looks like a guy who does a white guy from Google in. The after here is half black, dude. Yeah. Another picture of him logic. Yeah. I it's so fucking cool. Chris I when I when I saw it. I tech somewhat dude how fucking nuts is it that you're in Eminem in logic. Sung logic broke up with with his girl as well engaged. They were married in then Harry Potter. Harry, g wagon shouldn't when another way he's he's white. Is there a picture of his dad? Yeah. There is. White right dad's a black. He's using but Halsey Halsey supposed to be black too. Would you say same situation with hall Z too? Look bad, bro. That's black guy. That's that's black fellow. That's dead. Light light-skinned dressed like a pimp. It's very weird here lodge drop in bonds when you don't knows dad's bike, okay. Well, I can't fuck with this. Family. Pretty mum. Does that him on the right? No small one, right? Because his his brother was super cute there, man. Then we looking like a straight up fuck in Brooklyn van pyre up there. Vampire? Didn't Kris Wirtz and call you an Italian LEGO Chris Watson. Your show with ceres swertz, though, I love Nick. I like logic. I'm really into. I don't know what it is. I'm on this weird white rapper kick right now. Macklemore? Worked out tomorrow morning. Macklemore? I love them. Love his haircut. Macro more. I'm really into little Dicky right now. My son loves his museum looks like somebody took a magic Margaret to his whole body. No little little Dicky. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I he's funny. He's a comedian who can wrap that what's going on there. Sees. Larry's we saw Justa right? Yeah. He was like friendliest guy to the manager there. He was just a little bit out of it. I fucked up his own she's not a sandwich. That's right, which I understand just what he little Dicky super tones. Who's that? Who's that guy who's the muppet? He probably like he's probably one of those kids that wanted to a wish to go out with him or something. Maybe no, let's not make wishes producer some ship. Hey that guy's in a music. Video was. Yes. Sure. Mine fucker. Do you understand what you're saying that because I don't head literally live in that guy's head. He's got a head on them. He's giant head. Yeah. Klay Guido Shaka tad. Klay Gordo looks like a fucking Klaipeda Klay quit though in look so differently. Does on looks like on cameras came in in personally looks like regular do that kind of a nice looking dude we're a million two little Dickie right now. Benny blanco. That's his name. Benny Blanco Blanco Blanco. Light rappers kinda oh Benny Barney hits it sure, he's scruffy. Yeah. Is that hit with all coffee being Christly this morning people dress like maybe I'm just I'm so not hit the new style of people like it talking their shirt their pants colorful, socks with Shula lot. You don't mind fashion. It's turned into a little bit too. Casual for me, a holiday peel that win not you like this. But like when people making a temp to dress in just in sweats. We'll go to Mike and shit. Look at what Chris wearing these pants. He was wearing. Not like that too. Now there's for hot minute. It was like a laundry top and sweatpants. Look at him. Look at him for a second his pants. What are you wearing is a meeting at ninety AM and you show up. What are relaxing shit at style? Man. Slate with your Dutch. There was an accident. It was an actual round tonight. The way too. He healing very playful right now tired this. I want to do this. Tell. I'll be the Miami. He just a bit those I can't get into the sweat game movement. Like, that's just never be my style. You know, I did the other day. I mean, I'm wearing these. But I was got I'm thirty six years old, my she can wear sneakers all the time. So what about some dough pass more stylish boots to where you do have the boots? Gucci's have other birds too. Don't you a lot of boots a lot of boots? Yes. But you had to tackle by new ones to buy some. Some boats. That's money. You're on rodeo drive. I know that you'll you did know try do know that and you have is ever do what Saint Laurent your few cents Saint Louis. Why sell I dig it booth outfit for my stuff for Showtime? Can I see the boots? You're just like dude you're gonna like him. You can appreciate them these with jeans tonight. St. Jude come on, man. No. They're not point to you're gonna you're gonna prove these these are very 'cause I need myself. Good pair boots. But you're. Has a nice boots. He's boots. Well, that's a great boot. Right. That's a great boot. That's a class enter the most comfortable boot giving them away. I know that and not giving those away yet. Do. Yeah. You sound. So you sound the home with I jeans to grow. Sneaks all the time. Sneaks. Now the shirts gonna piss you off a little bit. And I want to wait till you say on Showtime Wearne, it is it golden black. Yes. It is. And when I went man Roman calendar, not gonna like this all take it. Chris will appreciate it. Yeah. I'll take you guys. My impression of Chris and fucking Brennan dope. Yeah. Yours dove to those are saying as they're looking at shoes. But you see I wanna wear those sweats. Chris when I get down with the sweat movement. I just can't I this hour talk behind Chris. Hey, crews post attention if you're fan of mine and residing Miami, do not go to the spinach. You just saw that pitch. Chris actively campaigning against me breach. Bleach media fish called style. Where who's the those creepy deep fake videos that guys I don't know who he is brilliant a fucking genius. So good. You see what he did with mine with my special? No in. Did you see that going? These you you see him. Yes. I was a prosecutor this chess was have you seen a chin? But did you tweet a cat posted it? Yeah. Dr Faca fake, go to go to I go to my and how he makes fun of my special, which is so outrageous pager, I think so. I don't think so be oh my God. It was so fun cow. Which one did you post me as a prostitute is on? Yes. Yes. You were odyssey. The other when you did them either as fell. He's really good. Maybe I'm fighting a kid. I dunno audited. Yeah. He I don't know. He's g I don't know how he does this shit. How does he do it? No, not that one the one of count. Yeah. So this one is from the fake ones. Oh, they're they're my they're two different ones. We played nyc in trouble because his on Instagram. Doing. Fine. You Zell Streep bell? Pretty sure are you? No, it is you wanna day from the seventies. How much? How you got spent? I don't think what you do. I have sex. I give head having have. And I do domination just mill Streep dudes no way. I bet you can't you. It's not that. I'll. Crazies. We mean it that all want a hand job. I want to. Thank you. So aggressive. I would if I could. The mouth them. Two that's movie. What movie is that? What is that movie? What was it definitely not Meryl Streep? I wanna fuck you in just the type that Incheon. I wouldn't I'm trying to help you out. Have the skills Google in of all time? Let's from an old movie or eighties. I wanna fuck you in now. How far it's Tampa for Miami. When we're both in Florida this weekend. I'm in Tampa, your tab, your improv. Yeah. I'll far I'm in Orlando. The next weekend. I'm not I'm in New York. Fuck you're in Tampa Miami for is that dude. Some definitely gonna drive down hours CBS hours away five four or five hours because I Joe from pom pom they're looking ship. Who is supposed to be though values. Fischel traffic. Brian counts later, stand up special complicated Hanson. You. Would be. Kinda ropes. Eva, whatever, I was like, are you fucking kidding me? Swap. If you're gonna roast meat here this good, then you know, I deserve it. Parents every teams. Are you funny to reassemble funny? Fuck off. What else you got wait real quick Google? How far is Tampa? And miami. Got it. So good. Well, the fucking Charles Manson thing. Hours you fucked Florida's big I know we're in completely different coast, baby. Tampa. Sample well, as we'll be in different states for hours arlando, do you know where in Vegas together in June? I forgot about you fifteenth the Orleans get your tickets June. Fifteen do we we don't have link up. I don't think do we know we don't we need one j get the link up. Yeah. We got that link-up Orleans. So I'm at the trying to come to Vegas if I can get work off. That'd be great. It'd be were there on a Saturday. I think centre you don't worry. Yes. Chin Vegas always hire. Professional cranium off their assholes. Sure. Cranham of their bungs. How about Jennifer creating this morning is, you know, this put always, oh, it's true. It's true. Classes to cram. I just found out about most. He does what else you got Jim Boehm? Well game of thrones viewers noticed that there was something wrong in last night's episode. If you look at this clip, somebody forgot their Cup of coffee on the table in this scene, and nobody found it until it air. That was a great episode. That's dude. Give lock that was a good episode. You're gonna fucking hey, I thought it was so good, man. And when you see when you see her walking away who are girl right here in the shot genetic angry how about when she's on the drag and I'm like, oh the school. Choose I. Cool drag it in the ocean, a strong fucking era, that's shoot to kill the straw. That guy is through the throat. I know and just. And just about sir sees pregnant now put a printed, Betty, I hate that guy. I do too. I don't fuck hockey. I can't stand him. You know, who I don't like would. She was my favorite was denarius. The dragon Queen scale my nerves now because she's getting a little chalice just cat. Yeah. But now she's about to get on that that fucking dragon. Here's my question drag it because he say with that dragon that close in those EROs it was just sitting there. I was like when they were talking about what up on that funk and drag talking with negotiating, I'm like, bro. You want to end the war. Watch this kick. You bagging gone now the shitty army dragging Crame set, Matt correct doing shoot the dragon shoot. The dragon. Those things are easy to kill obviously. Apparently, you didn't. I didn't think they were we need this. My only issue that ero- impossible to kill. Yeah. Earl's? Would bounce off. 'cause they're too ragged me to their giant lizards? And of course, an air is gonna kill it. Yeah. I thought that their scales were steel thickest steel to shoot an arrow with enough strength coach through steel how how about deniro's John? She's zandt. Now, I don't. All this stand that you didn't watch it. I watched I didn't understand why she is. And it's a long story, dude. You don't actually. Do you know cat? Yes. So the details of no, I do we went over it last night gab. But then you go ahead. So Danny's brother ragle actually had a child with Liana stark, and that's John's actual mother. And so he's not Ned Stark's bastard. He is the son of ragle Liana crew, then makes him her nephew. Correct. You know what I'm saying so hit. So Dale have the same dad. So the starts where they're like, we're family don't have the same data. Gotcha. They're all cousins, not siblings. They're related, but they're not. It is crazy props didn't see how crazy. So. So so people had to miss that were the director where the line producer with continuity person show with the the show the producers they're all sitting there watching the shots. My only guess is that it was shot by a second unit director after the fact they had to get the show back from the source close situation. He said there under deadline, and they were literally going off zero sleep basis for forty hours forty eight hours straight just missed it has a different theory. And it's actually not mad at it. Hit them. Chin hit him crate him chin. I just think it is possible that it's like a Mark is a campaign like they could've just paid. Starbucks. Well, it's got us all talking. Yeah. That's possible. Sits around is. We need more marketing. Yeah. But that's the biggest way to get a gazillion people to buy more Sar books. Does it doesn't mean wanna go to Starbucks? It. It doesn't know. I tell you that the I can tell you that the game of thrones people. I'd be very surprised if they okay that they sold out like that. Because that takes you out of the story. I didn't know just play it off. It's after the fact though, right? I think it was just an accent promise. You edit it when you edit it, there's so many people would see it. That's that's what so many people don't scan so many layers so anyways because you have to everyone to make the mistake. That's the only reason why I give a little bit of ground chin on this can kinda eat out. I think you're going to believe in conspiracy theories that's a great conspiracy degree because because you know, there's no way there's so many things that have to go wrong with that many people see that from the editors to the sound, but the editors may not be expecting it. They may just be they're just trying to add it all the scenes together. And they're just like that that's a cut and they keep going it's dark room. I don't. But then, but then you gotta send off sample, really. You'll send off so people verified. Okay. It the directors have no-one the Starwood scale. There's too many brilliant minds for that to going just thought. I just thought it looked at our beer out. An even there. It was was this particular scene. Do you? Remember the scene? Very remember. I don't remember was like a very engaging to bring gays probably won't think about looking looking. She's jealous. And that was just as this other. This guy's drunk is telling John how great he is to ride. A dragon. Do what he did in the war. You know, let's see the scene because I think it's like one second. So some nice goal right there. That's it. A copy in the. They just focused in on it. It's very quick. So trying to get see. Two thousand still two seconds, man. Very supreme. Even zoom in on. This guy's in on it. I'm not sure how. Yeah. That's a good. I don't know. It's still in frame. Yeah. I mean, that's even right there. That's the same on. I'm a male one soul that they may have had to use it. You can see, gee, I out that could block it with something. You put a fucking Turkey leg. They can take it out of the. Another goal of it. That's very strange on kind of with on the. What else you got to that might make sense? So this is some bad news. It has been released that there are about eight thousand boy scout leaders who have been accused of sexual abuse about twelve thousand victims doesn't surprise me between the years of nineteen forty four to two thousand sixteen in the boy scouts and never released a list of these accused men because basically there there really wasn't a reason for them to do that because it would jeopardize their reputation as the boy scouts being a family organization. But there was a law recently that passed in New York where the statute of limitations changed for victims to sue their keep their abusers. And so they released a list of about a hundred two hundred people within the New York, New jersey area who were on this list. Here's my thing. Of course, of course. No when you see a guy my out, if my son went down on the boy scouts. Absolutely fucking not a grown, man. Over the age of twenty one years old that wants to be of fucking eagle scout and lead little boys on camping adventures. Fun. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Voice gets quite organization for kids. Like in my kids. Cub scout and there's a lot of supervision. So when they go on a hiking trip wasn't cups when they win win. As a cub scout when you go on a trip apparent must be in the town with that child. You nobody else can be. So those are cub scouts, but that's the world we live in. But I one hundred percent that in any anywhere. We're boys are being mentor. You better watch out that there are there are the we're pretty easy if you like chocolate at it just means that people drawn to that. If you like chocolate, you gotta chocolate active little boys, go to Catholic or you are the boy factory. And you got scout. Does he easy access numbers air you out? Yeah. And you're also protected. Yeah. You're protected. No, wait, a fucking Boyd leader. Scout guy were fuck. He's tall. He's going to teach my son shit. You wanna go hiking? Cool. You wanna feel how tight or not if I don't know how we're gonna look up online. We'll do it together. I'm not send you off to this other wants to get a badge. Yeah. So strange. I was in boy scouts for one year. Dad, what the fuck are we doing? My dad went what the fuck are. We doing get you out of here. Some of the boys. Cub scouts fun. Were you in as gin? I was a we blow. I don't know it's between boy scouting for one. She's out. Remember it? All blur, g get touched know, what do you touch that though that was it campus? No longer there called camp DeWitt on lake Winnipeg, sake and wolf Brown Hampshire. The stuff frustrates me. I wanna slap the pants. Well, there's a lot. That was a lot of that in the seventies. You didn't know it was going on. What is just but a lot of it was just dudes young guys who were like there for the summer needed a summer jobs. They were great fucking awesome. But then there's always that guy who's in his late thirties forties. Got a beard makes. He is here. Why is he here? What's going on here? He's super single got soft hands that that do that makes my blood boil I have kids like what the. I mean, fuck what else do you? So you have talked about this in the past and Graham is finally doing it. They're running tests this week on separate Instagram account certain ones where they will take away the likes and your followers for a certain amount of time to see how that if it plays. Well, because they're looking into the mental health of younger kids shuttle have Instagram and equate they're worth with their lights in their rooms. It's so bright. What about for guys like us? Don't we kinda need it? They'll have something on the back end counseling. But the public is is how greed is be that you can post them in. Who cares? If people see the or the you don't want that stuff. I love it. It's so it's the best thing that can do. It's great for specis. Have you seen the I was watching? Yes yesterday. Dateline? Have you seen how suicide and teenagers has gone? It went up sixteen percent right after show the thirteen whenever there was a net. Flicks. Teenage suicide went up thirty percent. And now, it's slowly rising even higher Johnson height on Rogan, the calling the American mind about this about social media's done, especially the girls because girls idea that girls and boys are are not boys are more aggressive poison were physically aggressive, but girls are socially aggressive super socially aggressive. They'll destroy each other in dug into groups fuck each other over and they do it now online. These are tweens like girls my daughter's age we're going to middle school. It's fucking harsh your daughter mill school. He's about to be handed. She going six grade. Yes worries old. I know so crazy, you know, that that show that it was thirteen reasons why they said it was a study done in the mud. After all a bunch of suicides the right one thirty percent. But it was in boys. Even though the girl was a character that killed herself in the show. His boys that committed suicide suicide and they've renew self mutilate. So boys will tend to is really interesting because boys will tend to attack other boy, the people, but they also are more like the kill themselves girls to hurt themselves, but not kill themselves cut. They'll cut themselves and stuff like that. Starve themselves. All that weird. What does she at you? Okay. So a fifty year old Mexican man had a restraining order against him from his ex girlfriend of fourteen years in a jealous rage because he thought that she was seeing somebody else. The picture. Oh, no. Who is that? Strip over his is all my God. I can't is that a line. Or is that a hero smeck skin looking guy in the planet, who am I who have? Can't tell this man. Cannot get any more wreck. So worst the worst guy he trapped himself in a tunnel that he dug for himself, and he was stuck there for a couple of days, and he was screaming on the top of longs for help right outside of his ex girlfriend's home and for those couple of days while he was stuck. She thought that it was a cat screaming in the milk. Because when cats fuck they scream, and so she one day, she comes out to see what the commotion is all about and sees him stuck in this whole. And now, he's arrested. God. That would be tear. Help hell holy shit. Ancient skull reveals Mayans use severed heads to burn incense. She's Kreis good stuff. They put incense in the heads. Well, yeah, it's I would've Lindy von date. PK look at. Look at. Sabban who's so this eight year old boy saved his older sister from getting now to see this. Really? Yes. So these two kids were in the back seat of their grandma's car. And she was at the hospital picking up a friend. She got out in by themselves. They were in the very from the hospital where you go to pick up patients patients, and when she left the car about ten seconds later this man came in he was high off of heroin, and he tried to take the car with the kids inside the little boy was able to open the door, and he could get out, but the little girl was actually grabbed by the man. And so he instead of jumping out the little boy came grabbed his sister, and they both fell out of the car and the driver ended up being arrested. It's this man right here. Good killed his he was he was heroin is trying to steal a car and saw the kids and panicked. Right. So if a child abductor or is his chest. I think he is trying to steal the car and the kids because he grabbed onto the girls. So she wouldn't leave otherwise you'd. Let the kickout run. I'm taking the car steel the girl. Yeah, you're probably gonna rape the little. Yeah. It's gonna kill him. Yeah. Well, it's crazy. Shoutout. Little boy. And they're so cute while two kids, man. Wow. They're beautiful. Also, grandma, the kids will know what else you got this right here this USA. She's an attorney. She works pro Bono to help prisoners get like a shorter census for like unjust, whatever is gone to prison. She's beautiful. Pictures over. I have somebody here bet you do just. Yeah. She is she's an MBA too. Doc. There's pitch over in the left. Wow. She is a fucking superhero. What else you gene yet? Even when she's not in a uniform. You wanna make nice wanna see like more damn? She is gorgeous keep going. Don't you think about making superman babies with her Brian does of crushing mind? I do. Wow. Ambra John oria, she might just make decisive stupid. We are the regulations on on your on your win. She also lower. I do. My sexy voice minute. Am looking to spend some money on a go you like to shop or what has more money? They wanna come sit in on the fun kid. She's in LA. Yeah. From North Carolina believe she was a year ago. She was a year ago. Take it easy to make cars to me girl. Girl. Yeah. There you go. They she's a lawyer. Yeah. And an MBA MBA undergraduate. I did don't talk about my girl. A cut off my right legacy. My right leg just to bring around my friends to talk shit. Yeah. Come to the congress. Right. But look at this dude peop- that. Yeah. You're stupid. Yeah. And she's this and that bandaids show mutates. Hey, gresh, save show me brain by brain, you tinny? She's what else we got chin meaning other pictures of house the booty though, I wonder if. I did see it. It wasn't like a it. Didn't stick out to you. See what happens? She's a flatter by flat booty, call flat. That one. That's her. Fuck the girl. Pompey? No. Usually if they take it. They will definitely peop- it. He has nineteen thousand followers. After this. What was that looks like she has a booting? It's hard to see though. Is Chelsea doesn't have athletic. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, great. Great comet miss teen years, say love, your giant hair. Love you and your. Okay. Okay, though. Well, thank you. I hear talk to each other. I love your giant hands your hair. This girl walks by and she had she had the tightest shorts on. What's that? Nate that guy that Nate that fucking hilarious comic, hasn't Netflix? Especially I put on underarm shirt. He goes, I couldn't work out. I decided to eat standing. Do I put under armor shirt, and like, you know, how the plasters and draws imagine the party's gonna cut off your body. That's what the armature is. Anyways. Girl had a pair of tight shorts and a shirt, and she she I was like, how do you not you are spilling out already? But you're you're gonna kill. She had a gut and she had I was like how you you're squeezing. And literally accentuating confidence is amazing. It's never wear as I'm walking by this her friend who looks pretty normal goes. So to say one thing. When you were shorts. And that's all I heard. So can I say one thing when you wear the shorts about how about why won't say who this is a friend of mine on what you meet the girl been hanging out with I shake your hand, beautiful girl. Very girl. I shake your hand. She had bigger mitts and Francis in Ghana. I would like this. It was like it. I didn't I didn't say my name. I'm so distract very nice amazed. And then I was like holy fuck, dude. She walked away and she on these muppet baby. You're talking about with you. So big feel like you can't date her because you Dixon was like tic TAC. Until your hands work to of mine like this and her banana, dick fingers, wrapped around mind, and she shook his hard like the thick palm. Well, it's France Ghana Dane, France, giant, hands giant, China hands. Anyway, drink you haven't noticed that yet? No, no. Meets you got. You got mitts. I'm guessing Brian, you know, but a lot about this one. Maybe you do maybe don't say guys. Yeah. So this girl was she's born a woman, but she has like abnormally large. Really? Large large event. High levels of testosterone. What's? Well, this this woman, she's a man listener talked. Hey, easy. But she's just chess. Inside body. I think she has what's called like there's a there's a form of hermaphrodite, but she is a woman. Yeah. Looks like Frank Bruno dude themes eating be everybody because she's literally built like a like a I'm so so the only Pete is by lower testosterone levels, caster Semenya. Yes, she's she's she beats everybody. But if you look at our listener talk bring the hold on. But choose born a woman, but she has some something that puts us on her body. I think it's more. What Brian says sorta like it's not you're not necessarily hermaphrodite, but you have your closer to a boy than regular black woman from have dealt with the deca almost Bryant who should she compete against look into. It's a tough one. I knew your. Why are you laughing? Starts laughing. One up. It is very nobody knows what to do in these. We're allowed to. You the Commission's? Like, I don't know. Nobody's allowed. What's look, there's a special gender with the women spectrums at gender thing. And it's far as women's insurance. She's very over on the side. That's over. You know, what I mean is that she's a very book. I didn't see the full body Chindia full-body, those talks. Listener talk the whole body does she sprint? She long distance. She's she's into sprinter. She's spreader. You wanted to this one? Yeah. This four years ago. Yeah. I know. So maybe she's different now. Welcome back. You also watching the Ingraham, you if you see one p. Much. Like your job to your job, Syria. So for all. Hussein bolt with a wig. We can't have this. What was it like growing up complete? She wasn't a normal childhood book intimate. I have more ground. Of course, it was a normal, dude. Because it will you know, when you go up we Lewis on straits. Yeah. But for me, it was a little bit different. Because I grew up with poise. Everything was just all about boys gills a little bit. But he can't run with the girls. If you sit like this. Well, she's got a great deal of masculine. That's not her fault testosterone, and she's very strange estrogen too, though. Let me see the body. It's a complicated thing to look at our body up there where? No, no, go. Go on forever. Chin the where she's muscular right there. Right there right there. She's beating the shit out of the guys yet she'd be taller women or the women's yet is time compared with males. Not quite they she bleach. The fuck outta everybody. It's a very tough thing, man. But. He takes tough. Up. Peach just laughing because we don't know what to do. Know. That's all all we're saying. It is. And you know, by the way, you'll be crying. She start crying. I one in the back. It's tough. It's tough all the way around. That's it's tough. What do you do? 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Well, just Google it. I'm such an idiot with this stuff. The the Glenn that creates this Australian and she has actual tested. Yeah. Just it's over, hyper. So it's it's it's overactive so releases more and more into the body. Is known as a engine excess is medical conditions Highland female females symptoms may include acne, inflamed, skin hair, loss, increase body, or facial hair. Okay. Nec man in her. It ain't easy smoke in them girls in the field. N easy sprint pass everybody on the planet. This fi God what else yet Jin? I don't know. What you do? They're not gonna figure it out either. Tough real quick beat the shit out of those girls. A correction on the Conor McGregor thing are said this on below the belt you not. What do you do if she shows, and you're you're running? You're just like man why why are we here? Like she's getting man. I can't even run. I know somebody like us who has. Yeah. They're trying to get an action. I don't get his fashions. I and I talked to her. And I'm always like new, I don't know. She won't say what she is. And I don't quite know. They pat. Yes, if no you don't, and I don't I'm always like, oh, wow. We go here. I already get you the Conor McGregor thing. You know, he tweeted like who who whatever doubt that? I would bring his whiskey are Arshki two billion. So it wasn't his whiskey. It was overall whiskey sales that are made from Ireland okay in the US. Good. Hey, find kids a billion dollar business people go. It is well podcasts billing this Rogan's makes a billion ours. We're in that same categorize, that's very strange back thing. Smart though. Yeah, works I made a billion dollars. Well, this is a long, but Adam Sandler was back on SNL. See this, you know. So he left sign live on a bad note. And they've never asked him, and he doesn't fire. Yeah. Yeah. Fired him in the head of NBC hated each other. But I'll see I think is gone now. So this little field. So this is the first time he's come back since he left silent life. 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How to Start and Monetize a Blog Quickly

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How to Start and Monetize a Blog Quickly

"Hey everybody welcome to listen. Moneymatters life's too short to not have fun. Life's too fun to not not wear shorts. My name is matt and here as always with andrew andrew. How are you and <hes> what are you drinking. Do good excited and i'm i'm drinking o._j. Or owed use. It's a a hazy double indian pale ale brewed with oranges and it looks like an orange juice. Guest does <music> who's a by <hes> town series never heard of him cool logo yeah. I guess i'm just a sucker for can design. What are you drinking. I'm drinking so i was fourth of july and i we just had so much beer in this house. How's that we just went through all of it. So i have left really right. Now is my own stuff and i'm drinking my culture to do so only four percent or four point five percent alcohol. Kohl's nice summer drinking. I'm a drinker but trying to pick more sessions now that we're trying to like yeah costa aw i like beer flavored beer now got so tired of the i. P. as in shits like give me something like tastes like the taste like beer yet of orange juice but anyway <hes> our catch phrase today comes from corey via email. Thank you corey and please send in your catchphrases. We need them for future episodes associate this show <hes> so thank you very much today. We are giving you my favorite. Topic your favorite topic. I'm sure <hes> a step by step guide on how to start it monetize a blog to earn passive income and let's talk about why why on this money matters the personal finance podcast we would talk about something like this so lauren. I like optimize their money. Were obviously i'm obviously super nerdy about all the stuff but i would be disingenuous. I mean like we literally had an extra common or net worth doing great but i'll be disingenuous to not say say that really the biggest best financial move ever made is building a website yet and so let let me let me put it to you like this <music> scott so let's say that you love board games right and they're gonna option. Oh not me just i. I love board games but okay. Let's say i love board game you love. This is a true story. You can open a board game store and sell board games. That's about as on the nose gets and there is literally a place in hoboken hoboken that sells board games. I had a friend from high school who did that and now you have a business that can earn you money but the problem is you're constrains drains by the amount of people that will walk by your board game store more drive into vizier board game store and so there's really just kind of a cap. I don't know maybe maybe maybe could you imagine ten thousand people entering your board game store in a month. That'd be awesome now. Take the internet where you instead of explaining to everyone who walks in the door. Why settlers of catan you create this thing once. Make it amazing and now you have the three hundred and fifty million people in the the u._s. You only need the small of small to search for that <hes> to reach them and you have to be there. You're on vacation and are visiting and buying and so it's really just kind of crazy i it's it's it's kind of like the the the the best way to invest your extra time into making more money now and when you set out to build this money matters that was your sole purpose was to start a business to make money from day. One right i mean there was literally what galvanize me to do it and you chose websites or blogging or whatever you wanna call it because that's what you're good at. I chose it because i found pat flynn and when i read how much money he made and how oh he did it yeah. I is just like that's so easy. Okay could definitely do that but you. You didn't just find him because he just landed he doesn't. He's not one of those people who just appears around in a magazine. That's on your home guard magazine like he. You had to seek him out. I almost went to the west coast to work. That's where all tech is really. I have yet what my really really close friend. At the time <hes> worked at apple yeah and i love apple and so it was like literally a dream come home <hes> i wanted that and so i was like talking with a bunch of other works at apple and lore came and we're in san francisco and it just wasn't wasn't for us we like new york and all of the anger that comes from new york and <hes> it it just kinda was a bit disenfranchised so like right before for the plane. I literally googled passive income and okay. That's how i found him. Okay so the at of all the investments you can make in the world in order to to grow your income. The best one is starting your own business that is and i think that's the thing is like that is is what outshines like these real estate moguls and if you look at any of the top wealthy people they own all own businesses not that the goal is to earn the fifty eight billion dollars a year like i mean peanuts in comparison to that just i need to look at a peanut in comparison but the thing is like they've created things <hes> that provide value at scale. That's like the answer so let's let's manage some expectations here because you you and i are success stories although mice accessory you're you're you're listening to my voice as a success story after ten years as of not being successful right so i you know when it comes to <hes> you know a lot of people think it's an overnight you know you see people <unk> overnight success. That's you know look at pat lam. When you found pat flynn like oh my god. How did he get there. He's actually an overnight success story. One of a few one of a very very few has we call. We call them the hockey. Stick moment where you put a blog. You don't really give a shit about the blog and you log in the next day and you're like oh my god. I have so much traffic. How how is this possible. That's what happened to him and those days may be gone. Yes yeah let's and that's <hes> i actually prefer to imagine that the hockey stick moment doesn't exist yes i. Maybe you could build it without that. We have and i've never had it so either. Might as well not exist and that let's subjects not good enough and my ten years in doing this is because i failed so many times and gave up so many times had i have i had the knowledge and the experience now and could repeat it. It would not take me ten years but it wouldn't take me one year. It would take me like at least four and that's the way i that's what i always tell people. They're like how long it's gonna take i go. It's a fucking college. Degree man like it's going to take four years and before you start making any meaningful i'm on my way to frame it <hes> and and to be perfectly honest. That's roughly what it took for. Listen moneymatters yep <hes> but there's like two pieces i think that our core core to it <hes> why anyone should really care and listen further <hes> one <hes> on his deeply resonated with me <hes> but there's this this quote entrepreneurship is living a few years of your life like most people won't so you could spend the rest of your life like most people can't and that is when like you know the air is crisp after that four years of slogging it out <hes> but it is so true because you're putting the pieces in place now well <hes> hit your front loading the work ray <hes> and then the other thing is for you know it really took five years for money matters to be a multiple bowl of my previous job <hes> like one hundred eighty thousand years so it was i yeah bar <hes> there was only two of those years is that i feel i deeply compromised like i was just all about work really yeah the the first two years it was like a hobby and i would do it in the evening often four or five years of just like on the side like really on the side and that's the thing so then you you know we did that once and i know that you've replicated success again. As well <hes> lauren i created another website that in about a year and a half earns over one hundred thousand but we know what we're doing and and we have the time and we have the resources and so it it of course it's easier the second time around so that the kid right the second year second kids always the easiest. That's right yeah so if you will humor us not fine but in terms of like this online thing if you will humor us. I think and we've done this. We've helped other people. I literally spent like i want to say three hours with you on swim you getting you before this call before this yeah. If you humorous you know over a few episodes. It's hopefully this year. We will lay it out pretty much. All the things that we've learned <hes> doesn't mean you'll get guaranteed success no butter. I strongly believe anybody can do it. I we have both helped people actually do yes a great so what again i want to just point out some more appropriate expectations in this in this type of business one. It's hard you just heard. Are you just said that. You like sacrificed. A few years i live i lost all my friends for a different reason and then they use that opportunity to kind of just sit in my hobbit hole and and bang out you know articles about swimming pool care <hes> and in this and this was while i was was working at a store so not only was i doing marketing for a pool company but i was coming home and writing more about pools i just wanted. I literally thought about pools twenty four seven. It was fucking awful. Also i had no children. I had no significant other. I just had a dog who just slept on the couch behind me as i was you no doing what i was doing so. Let's talk about getting started i am. I want to hear your story about well. I mean i know you said you were money nerd right but you that wasn't your big thing. Was it like no mine was obsessed with pools. I just have no you you just like <hes>. I saw like i started to look and i've realized the opportunity or or how you can make money in the money space and i understood it and so it was clear like i i was an eagle scout. I did boy scouting for seventeen years at all the crazy shit. Do i not know that. How do you not know that you're an eagle scout yet. Does that yeah it's like high graduated waited as so you can like you can build a fire with two pens right now no not with two pens bill defy with sticks and shit but and yet the point here an eagle scout that lives in hoboken breezy point that like i had to do camping and i enjoy but it just wasn't a thing that sucked me. I didn't see a path forward blogging or creating on camping right so that wasn't for me <music> but i didn't think like other people who are so into it really love. It and i enjoyed it. I don't know that i i didn't and love it or i just didn't see the path forward me. There have been plenty of people who have literally no a survivalist guy do do so people have done it yeah but i think the key is that like doesn't need to be dying dying love for you but you need to understand what people are looking for in that space right and so like like you could create a personal finance blog but you might not stick out our personal finest pockets. You meant a stick out unless you have the your angle yeah all right. Let's go all right so let's talk about like how do you pick. How do you pick like what to even start a website about okay so <hes> and dan. I know that you don't feel this way but <hes> i inadvertently picked the most difficult niche to build a website at like yeah you know. There's though you knew that going into it. I think that i had an idea. I didn't really know how really really hard it was right and so like hat. It's like it's the most obvious you wanna make money talk about money and then i don't know banks and stuff but there's a lot of competition and so one of the things that lauren i learned is what if we just created things where there was no competition and i think you got your trifecta. Lucky where you knew about pools yep you knew how to do web stuff and you picked a niche that literally no one was competed right and still doesn't and so <hes> the the thing that i would suggest and we'll learn i have done and we work now that we're constantly researching and discovering this <hes> <hes> you should go into with no competition like avoided at all costs because why mike compete. It's why make your life difficult so for example anything about dogs. There was like literally no competition board games. We were literally talking. Obama beard things when you say there's no competition. How are you finding this out. There is a tool that we use called a sheriff's a. It's actually called h. rafts but go on fine. It's a h. R. e. f. s. dot com yeah and it is big data for <hes> internet searches and just websites and so when we have what we don't we have a podcast man. I called money lab and we talk about this in enormous detail. Tell crazy detail and so you can go there to learn how we do the research but the point being is that we we have decided even with listen moneymatters than the new things we create who i make things and fight with other people. Let's just make things that people haven't created and they're no competition right so you. Let's say we you pick something. We know your topic. You want to build a website around it. What's the website name. How do you pick a name would see what was i mean. What's yours. Had it listed moneymatters. Come about so my my mom said it and i was like that's stupid mom and then then i give her credit at the time you were just like no. No i mean i did but i just. I usually don't like your ideas. Which i you know hate that idea. Why lissette does he have a podcast. It's now it makes sense though hate that idea mom i love idea say i said i hate it. That's that's funny all right <hes>. How are you mine. It was more analytical mine. <hes> the way that i came up with so my my sight is about <unk> out pool and hot tub care and i was like well. What is the commonality between pools and hot tubs. 'cause everyone's semi websites called swim university dot com and everyone's like why didn't you call it pool university and mike because i talk about hot tubs. It's the same thing no it's not so technically you can you swim women a pool and you swim in a hot up and so is this week hot ups be there are hot tubs called swim spas. They're very big and you can literally swim in them but i figured appeared like you. You are swimming in a hot tub. Even if you just kinda in it so i was like all right. Swim is the kind of like you like. It was the unifying factor her and then university was just the irony of that of that title is that i never went to college so i just chose like i built my own college basically the <hes> but that was just me going like pool school got it puts a different word for that diversity got it bam and i would even argue that that it doesn't matter at all like you know what's a really stupid name google lever but we all know what it is what it means. It's like a numbers. The thing is it's a yeah. There's no. There's a code thing anyway. There's a point there's google's actually not yahoos a stupid name most of them are you know and then you could attach a story to fine but if we get about five hundred thousand people month visit the website yeah and the vast majority with them are coming through google and have no idea what a websites called because it doesn't matter yeah so we'll tell you the domain matters. It doesn't matter not at all. The name doesn't really matter. I i guarantee you. I can build a site called like turn nugget and it could be about grilling and no one would even be none the wiser yeah like really big and create awesome suffering like oh. My god turned nuggets. Gotta go to turn noggin dot com dude. You gotta go you gotta go. That's what you want. If you want to make the best ribs in town you gotta go deterred nugget. What but you're going to go to turn it. Aren't you yeah because i said it. Some good turn dot com. I have no idea what's there. I didn't look this up before that made that joke doc so okay at this point. You have perhaps picked a niche honestly. I don't think that you should think more than a week on it and you sort of even yeah and this to call her after you could literally bang around ideas in there or do what i did and marry two worlds together you now what are you. What are you doing right now. What do you like to do truth be told like as we've kind of gone into the space <hes> there's really not much competition for almost most everything and i think to preface that with focus right. If you just want to talk about business yeah you know well then and you're not gonna do anything but if you wanna talk about online business or the airplane business or beard business like you're going to be fine. Here's what i'll say the riches you are in the niches. I didn't come up with that but that's true sinise down. You have to be specific yeah mitch niche. Whatever <hes> all right well how much like we talked about it. You you said investment properties. The big upfront costs investing in you. You know if you do a vanguard fund. There's a big upper cost. What's and this is why i think this is like the key of why were even discussing this because the up front cost of starting a business like this is probably the lowest of all businesses so right abs- absolutely and and we treat our business like as an investment and we actively acknowledge the things that we're investing in and y you know for three rental <unk> properties we put in like sixty something thousand sixty seven sixty eight thousand and they make a thousand dollars a month <hes>. I absolutely think that he could earn thousand thousand dollars a month. In the first year or by the last month in the first year was super focused on a blog and it would cost you one hundred sixty dollars for the year roasting yeah or like up to three hundred fifty dollars per year for hosting yeah. It's the it's the so the way i describe it. As hosting hosting the house and domain is your address as your number boom and so if say you were going to go the cheap end with hostgator one hundred sixty eighty dollars for the year and you will absolutely earn one hundred and sixty dollars in the first year like dear god if you can't then you didn't listen to anyone and you're just really just not cut out for you didn't know the research but the same argument would happen if you did rental properties like well. You didn't make any money on well then. You did everything everything you didn't do the numbers. You didn't like you didn't even try. It's a very low bar to first of all and then spent one hundred sixty dollars minimal time like like your cash on cash actually is ridiculous if we were to compare it to rental properties okay and i would argue on the high ends. There's three fifty for the year and that's for a company like w._p._n. Engine that will literally do all the texture for you well. Let's let's go over that. What are all the things. What are the pieces like right now that you need to start a basic website like just basic domain name. Where do you buy that from <hes> goodbye from google go daddy. Where where do you buyers from. I buy one from google. I buy mine from go daddy. Oh i would love to switch over to google because i understand it more and go daddy that guy can go fuck himself off whoever owns that company but that's where they all are right now because it was the only one i knew daddy as well as those sexy cancels super bowl. I ahead to ha- had to have it through it. I mean that was the only thing i knew about how to tell me like if you google cheap domains yeah special. She'll ask for. Go daddy unlocks for like. I don't know seventy nine cents a year some really on that but just stupid cheap. They'll get you in the second year. Yeah you could always switch companies companies either one of those. It's basically it's so cheap. It's like basically free yup. <hes> hosting you need and arguably arguably in the first year i'd say i don't think you need anything else any spend any more money okay and the hosting company that we music called w._p._n. Because we use wordpress as our content management system on our sites and that is what we recommend yes and by the way we're attaching this episode to a very long very detailed article. I wrote essentially explaining out what i've done. Awesome matters and why and blah blah blah so if you go to that article <hes> on the show page whatever you can dive into like why and a lot of these decisions decisions bs we chose wordpress and i think if you choose anything else you're just like a crazy person like why not squarespace ace or wicks or any of those other web flow any there's other things you're seeing online on the on t._v. For cry they're they're easy. Yes and i think that's why i people sign up but what you don't realize what obviously squarespace commercials don't tell you is that there are free equivalent themes and whatever forward press us so the ease honestly is minor. If you compare the two the differences that you're stuck in a walled garden with these other sites with with wordpress powers over a quarter of the entire internet over the entire now a quarter of it is on wordpress and as a result there are so many people people who create things for wordpress who developed for wordpress that anything you want in that space is so cheap yeah and so yeah just you'd be crazy to i'll. I'll tell you what i'm gonna say this with zero backup. I don't know if there's any in our space. I don't know if there's i. I don't know of squarespace sites. Rank like can have the ability to rank in s._e._i. I've never seen it but i also don't know so i i would say like if you're looking looking to rank in s._e._o. Which is what we do and we'll get into. I think <hes> wordpress is the way to go and work presses free. It's open source worse and all the themes are open source and that's why you're saying like squarespace costs money. Squarespace is all in one right you pay a monthly fee to have hosting and domain and ah the website builder but if you buy your own domain you buy it for the year it's super cheap like ten bucks for the whole year right and then you have hosting which can be very cheap sheep as well but then everything else is free on top of that so and and obviously like you're not in the walled garden like you said but but we have more to talk about. We need to take a break. Is there anything else you wanna cover before. We get into the break so i just wanna say okay that i know all right well. After the break we're going to get into the meat and potatoes and how specifically how to monetize the site. We're going to assume we get at the site up and running. How are we going to make that thousand dollars a month in the first year. That's what we're gonna talk about so will be right back and we're bad back yeah all right fastest break of all time. Hopefully i don't know <hes> all right so we're going to assume at this point that you have a site. It is up and running. It is on wordpress. You people can visit it. You are and what are you doing it. There's just a hello world post. Hello world so many people don't know what that is right. It's such a developer thing but yeah it you. You have have a a blog. You're creating articles right so <hes> with this other website that we have the. I'm not gonna say the the name it made about a hundred thousand dollars and it had about fifty posts on it. <hes> and i can tell you that the post each post took about the three maybe four hours to create to give you an idea of what is needed and we didn't like by any whatever are things we just created kinda vacuum <hes> crater values so i think you should have that in your mind as a rough speck of the amount of work that is probably needed okay i would agree with that <hes> and that is for the type of business that we have which is as an affiliate marketing business <hes> <hes>. Do you want to explain affiliate. Marketing sure affiliate marketing is it can have a dirty word. <hes> <hes> is a dirty phrase sometimes depending on who's doing the affiliate marketing <hes> the way we do. It is not a dirty way. <hes> basically is we. There are people out there there who sell products whether it's on amazon or they have a software product or whatever and they create an affiliate program which means they get people like andrew and i to promote their product via an a special link that we it's just like all of the referral things you see online like you have a betterman account that prefers somebody in will reduce your fees or acorns yes for i someone will give you a dollar. It's a referral program that pays cash right you know and that's it's really it and that i guess i just explained it. That's the easiest way to explain that. It's a it's a referral program where you get a commission of every sale that gets gets made and the thing is that you know maybe if you came into this ten years ago. It'd be different but these days there is nothing nothing that exists in the world that i am aware of that. You cannot earn a commission on through an affiliate program. Do you like socks. Do you want to have a sock. Excite like target has an affiliate program walmart amazon like ebay ebay also like even the the sock company company or whatever like very specific e commerce store but also lease you know like right the raiders they might call it. A partner program is another way referral program program affiliate program. Those are the three words that i know and because it's become so prolific you can choose your favorite things things and be a curator and earned through it like we didn't choose betterment because they were. They actually weren't paying us and beginning. We weren't even able to get into the program program on even if it happens but you could name any financial products any whatever there's a referral program for it so you can curate your stuff and monetize that also i wanna make very clear with that statement that you just said. Is that the reason that we don't like to call ourselves affiliate marketers because it does have a dirty connotation to it. We will let you know when we are passing out an affiliate link or or telling telling you something to buy if all the time of the show is yes but it seriously like it's weird i am net and that's the thing that will you and i do that is so different. The rest of the industry is like we really don't recommend products that we don't actually believe because that is a recipe for just getting trust is paramount russians and we're not willing to throw it away to make a hundred bucks right same with any of this stuff so you can pick any niche pet products like lizards if lizard thing. I'm sure there's no competition in there. I know that i want is a gerbil hamster. There is not but the point yeah probably both the point being doesn't matter the niche doesn't matter the products. You're gonna be able to make money from them. Only if you create something of value and yeah i just google it looks like richard. Gere runs a gerbil site. I really interesting and unless there are a ton of other ways to run. I was like i don't know richard. Gere's there's proclivities as much as you don't know the reference all right. I'll just let everybody else who knows looking on a dare a ton of other ways to make money online you could sell share you know matt matt sell stuff on money lab a membership site and yeah we even dip dabble in that stuff but this is where the bulk of our income comes from uh-huh and it is rather easy. It's insanely scalable so we're only going to focus on that okay so yeah. That's that's basically it. There's i mean even with us. We i sell my own courses for university and e books and all of those things we you said membership site <hes> but affiliate marketing yes seventy four percent of my income comes from them and offer amazon amazon amazon affiliate program which which has everything everybody is the easiest affiliate program to get into they do not pay the highest commission rates but they are the most they're the easiest to use and so obviously like any anybody like target and walmart and ebay and amazon those are if you're going to get started those are great places to start to and put it in perspective respective. Matt has a pool site monetize amazon which doesn't have the highest payouts and it took me thirteen years to you get to an inset what i thought was an insanely high salary as a data engineer <hes> and swim university makes multiple of what my a peak salary was yeah and so it you really don't need to get so discriminating about how you set it up right. So what else what let's let's talk about you know we we talked about how how you can create create the value the con- you have to create articles. You have to create <hes> reasons for people to find your website. <hes> like i have a site <hes> an article about pool algae people get green pools once in a while right so the idea here is very simple. You create an article. That's super in depth. It's got a video attached to it. I'm a video guy listeners dozen you could or not a very specific problem and people are searching for it and they are they need my help. I provide that help. I am establishing trust. It's not even like i'm not. I'm not even going into it with that mindset. It's just that yeah. I might my goal is to you and that's what google wants to like. Google wants to serve up content serve up articles that are going to answer the person's question that they type into google and so if you're that person great that's what's going to help you and if people stay on your website and read it and get a lot of value from eating. They don't go back to google going an answer the same question ask the same question then. You've done your job and that's really bucking s._e._o. It's like kind of what it is. Let me put it into a specific example. Okay talking with this guy. I that i knew and i wind up often finding myself. Just like helping people build things like this. It's it's a passion of mine and he was interested in board games okay. I'll i'm sharing this because he's not creating the site but we are looking at things that people look for like in google and like ways to monetize it in terms of board game and and <hes> something like three ish thousand people a month or searching for settlers of catan review <hes> and so what what you can do is you could create an awesome killer review show people how to play the game explain against others. Whatever my now or game i it's an awesome game and if you create something amazing it is google job to put you at the top yeah and if you're the best by far not the top you can count on in the future that improving their search that you are the top and so now you have three thousand people every month arriving driving to one page on your site. I bet you you could sell them settlers of catan right and so how did our board game a fifty ah ballgame and so then you have three thousand people every month going and i don't know the exact volumes but you need a very small percentage of those people to by the game and then you only get a small percentage to make a lot of money panhandling article this article once and that continues continues three thousand people per month every month and if something changes in southern town you go in and update it you spend an hour whatever but the thing as you spend the time once creating something that is completely comprehensive and awesome and then you move onto ticket to ride and when you can literally think about what your example as a rental property it. Is you have one property. You have to fucking manage it. You have to kind of keep your eye on it and like do what you need to do but it's gonna make passive income right. It's going to pay you money in actual cash. We're not talking about like referrals. We're going to get a bunch of gift cards in the mail. You're gonna get cash cash right so imagine <hes> being able to buy another rental property with no money down and four hours. You know what i mean like. I i two or three hours of your time right and look. We make it sound easier than it really is. We do you now now. We liked it. We are so jaded by this industry. We know how easy it is because we've done it leisurely hundreds of the example easier because i think that there are so many easy ones so another one another person i knew from past who's contacted me and i was going to help them with the site that he didn't wind up doing doing so this <hes> he was thinking the camping nishi loves the outdoors so does <hes> andrew. Are you yeah well not enough to make your because if you're an eagle scout that i've just but he was doing research and there's something like an insane volume like five ten thousand people every every month search for grappling hook and batman like yeah i mean i guess i dunno encamping. What do you do if there's a bear grappling hook yeah. What did you have your. You're hungry grappling grappling fuck yeah. What do you do in trouble grappling. That's right call robin. This is my day off. I'm busy so if all these people are searching grappling hook. They're probably looking to buy one they. They probably don't need to know what it is and and they might be looking for the best grappling hook and so you can create a list make it an awesome west of best grappling hooks and and now you can find an answer for these people and they're like literally about to buy. They're just looking for the best one right and so you could do that essentially at scale and i think that's that's that's an easier example compare and contrast why listen to my matters so difficult okay so right. Only only you made a grappling hook website right god. Damn it okay so okay. When did you start reaching a ton of people you start to realize that like if three thousand people visiting your thing for settles tom every month and the two people are buying it. I think it's reasonable to believe that more than two people could buy you just need to like improve the thing or optimize demise it and so over the years of meaning you yelling at each other over skype and building our businesses. We have built software. 'cause we're developers. Where's that essentially automate this for our businesses. <hes> it allows us to manage what is essentially our websites rather rather easily and make sure they're monetize in the best fashion possible <hes> you can have the site that <hes> lauren. I put together as about fifty pieces of content so that's like really wanna week for a year with a two week vacation like how do you manage and monetize fifty things and move quickly like you need need a tool to help you and so whether it's things that we've developed to make it like convert better or make sure that pages are actually gonna make you money you know and if you are interested in learning more about this stuff obviously like you mentioned earlier. We talk about it a lot on the money lab podcast podcast but we also aspect of it. We talk about yes experiments. Were doing yeah money. Lab dot co if you want to read about some of this stuff is a good place places start since it is us and then we use our own <hes> you know sites is at examples but you've mentioned pat flynn who's like kind of the king of this sort of the industry right and starting a blog that makes passive income <hes> these are these are resources that we used fizzles and other one <hes> diva affiliate elliot link for fiscal matters dot com slash fizzle there. You go yeah and you see how i say. Listen my marriage dot com slash fizzle that that is a thing created by lasso also only possible with lasso so i will say though the one thing that we didn't mention we were talking specifically about affiliate marketing getting affiliate links referral programs whatever to make this passive income <hes> when i first got started that was that was it's been around for forever this idea this referral program thing on the internet and it's not going away anytime soon i mean you were watching amazon put more and more effort into <hes> their program so so and obviously the their massive but when i first got started there was something called ad sense and everybody in their mothers was putting fucking ads on their websites sites and i was just thinking ads display ads like old school member. You know you all have adblocker right yeah that thing that you hate yeah so i will say that like like yes with enough traffic. You can make a lot of money with enough visitors to your website. You can make money from that but you need to not make tens hundreds of thousands of more people to make a living on that yeah and the reason is because the advertiser is taking the risk because they don't know if your traffic will convert with an affiliate program program. You're taking all the risk saying. I'm going to create great stuff that people will buy from <hes> and that's what the payout is higher what i did. I wanna say and i think that this is you know really our research strategy that you can find out money. Lab darko is are you actually saw course sonnet that merely. We developed together not together right but i make money for it. Yes you make all the money for i introduced. Did you see the thing but the point is that i just i just helped you do everything so so the point you did the the stuff but the point is is that <hes> our website you know had about fifty things if you spend three to four hours on it if you could find three to four hours a week to to just create one thing i obviously when you first start you'll have one post then you'll have to post by the end of the year. You have enough to potentially attention. Replace your income or meaningfully add to it and i think that broadly that's how you should look at it not as at this i compromise everything in my life and then only make money on your five. It's a ramp up. Yeah and you can take your time with it. Yes and i would also oh. Perhaps consider it a side hustle at first with the potential of turning into a full time job for five years listen money. Matters is my side hustle. I hate towards because i hate the phrase side-hustle because whatever eight the word hustle but it yeah your side project side income extra income income whatever like even when i worked full time job i was doing extra income as a freelance web designer just something i just like a you know a skill that i had a apart from my actual day job and the problem with that is this is not passive. It's just like i had to work those hours. Get that money and then work those <music> hours again to get that money whereas with this particular job i can work that four hour workweek quote unquote and by the end of the year have passive income <hes> that i don't have to work that four hour workweek anymore but yet. I'm still getting that thousand dollars extra month. I mean this is really and it doesn't have to just be like what we described. Here is is is a is our way in a way like blogging his away or you know they the word blogging and like niche side and the thirty site all these things are interchangeable because it's just like oh create a website website at an ad articles to it that searched and rank on google that make money with affiliate programs. That's just basically what we're saying. <hes> there's obviously other ways to do that. We make we have multiple revenue streams now with our companies but we all started with affiliate marketing because it's the easiest and then obviously now we sell our own products. We sell software. You know we can do all kinds of stuff with it and obviously create different more more things and and think if you think like this so i was an ace hardware the other day buying like stupid stuff with laura and like at the cash register. There's like little trinket each type thing this is them trying to like get you to buy gum or whatever never before you leave now imagine you have a website like swimming pool season that reaches half a million people a month you know and they're all buying pool cleaners robotics whatever <hes> erasing half a million people and so you really don't need to do much to just meaningfully increase so you know but it is there's power with reaching those people yeah and it is a business so just like having multiple rental properties can feel like a business it absolutely is this is exactly the same thing so i think that's it yeah i mean we we beat it to death and sweep and we've convinced anyone that this is perhaps a viable option for you if you're looking to invest or start a side hustle or some side income that's passive or or as close to passive as it gets <hes> besides literally throwing money into an a. betterman account or something. 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PassiveTron: The Automatic Cash Robot

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PassiveTron: The Automatic Cash Robot

"Hey, everybody, welcome. The list of money matters. Hope is not a strategy. My name is baton. I'm here as always with Andrew Andrew. How're you in? What are you drinking, man? I've been talking to a lot lately. We're recording. Right. Drinking the best punished, pumpkin. L ever chairman of the gourd. It's from nj Beer cO. Good session will beer been been milking it after a few hours, pumpkin and in just the right way. Nice. I am drinking lamp lighter brewing company's Major Tom New England. Six point eight percent alcohol from Cambridge Massachusetts. It's got a little cat on a on. A can you see little cab on the moon? Yeah. On the moon. So nice. Can I got it from mine as a cool can as well. And it has a microphone because it was made for. But it's called chairman of the gore. I I don't get it. I don't know. Maybe it is found Rennick Lippert. Maybe. So I wanna thank den yellow who sent in our catchphrase hope is not a strategy via Email, and if you wanna send your catch rate is in we highly recommend that you do that by joining the list of money matters community on Facebook. You can visit listen moneymatters dot com slash community that will send you right there. And you can submit new catchphrases lease will say at the beginning. Yeah. So what are we talking about today? We're talking about this robot that we discovered called passive drum mine aim is Basset drawn. We're just being silly. We're talking about passive income. And maybe allusion of like what it is what it means. And if it exists where you can actually find it. Now, why why are we talking about this like what made you pick because you picked up? Why why did you pick the stop it? It is actually the onus of what got me into the personal finance community. And what made me even create this website and all the things, and it is been a bit of an obsession of mine attempting to build income streams that are independent of my effort. Right. Unlike obviously, I think we'll get to is like a lot of them require effort to stand up, but competitively earn outsized after the effort is completed. So it's like investing time up front for something that pays off in the long term or in lieu of time potentially money. Okay. So. So what I do for a living is passive. Yes. I would I would say I mean, everyone considers it passive. I certainly don't consider passive income. Well, okay. So the reason I I did air quotes, passive income air quotes, anybody can see me do that. I think that's the illusion piece is because we like if it's like pushing a snowball downhill we are did to pushing. And yeah, just keep running out to the snowball gets bigger and goes more speed we've run faster we bring people onto help us run in push down the mountain. But if stuff to weigh it would be passive. Okay. So that's what we're going to talk about is ways to do that not necessarily doing. I mean the wage, but it is certainly far one way. We'll talk about. All right. So let's talk about the first way. And why did you reading it? Doc, you have titled them. You know, there's like some preamble. And then obviously got to give them the meats. Oh, the me. Got it got it. So. I just think of the arby's commercial. We have the meats. We have the meats. Yeah. I'm very familiar makes me laugh and the way that he says it. Yeah. So the first thing we have on our list as far as ways that you can practice pass or achieve a passive income stream is good old investing. We're talking I'm assuming we're talking about in the stock market. Yeah. Okay. Betterment would be that. Right. So. Maybe. Okay. And I guess the catch is if you invested in I don't know Matt and co and it happened to be me as my it's your company. Yeah. Because I'm naming it after my name love, right and co is just the other personalities in your head. And it was on the stock market you invest in. It can go up. But it it going up is not really income, right? Like is just increasing in value. So specifically, it's okay. Stocks that pay dividends. Now, the reason I maybe kind of is betterment, it's investment composition. Includes stocks that pay dividends. But in terms of its like actual yield would be very very low. It is not focused on income driving stocks. Yeah. So I was looking up right now. And there's a way to see the vanguard funds that are in it. And then you have to look into what the vanguard funds or investing in until like figure out what the what the yield would be. I guess. Yes. So I got an Email the other day of a pretty big dividend reinvestment. Which I thought was in the hunt them. No, no, no. That is that is it happens. Right. Yeah. So I just I just did I just allowed into betterman, and I sort it. My the activity section of my all my comments, and I'm just looking at dividend received and the dividends that are received. That's money that I've earned. So that was passed I. Yeah. So just in October. I've made an say this. Yeah. And I think I I don't know how much I have in there. But it's like twenty four ninety five thirty five fifty four forty six forty nine twenty two seventy five forty dollars and ten cents forty seven dollars a month. All. No, this is October two thousand eighteen just individual dividend. You mind saying how much is in your account? I don't so this is all of my accounts combined. So now he can complete right now you well. So we we did it episode about my net worth where I told you. So I think at the time I net worth was seven remember. Now, it's eighty five. Total net worth. No is that what I want to read note, total betterment balance sixty two thousand four and so the the yield is a relationship between whatever the sum total was you made in October. Maybe it was like one hundred dollars to that total amount right sixty thousand so that is is small relative to the balance, but it's passive if you were really interested in passive income from stocks. There is a group and we've talked about I think we talked about this like five years ago a group called the dividend. Aristocrats? Do you remember this? No because I'm gonna tell you again, anyways, it is a group of stocks and to get into this group. Now, remember, I got to get into this group. They have to have been paying dividends for twenty five years or more. More end increasing those dividends on a consistent basis. So if you were to invest in a stock that has a dividend. Like, apple for example, that hasn't that doesn't have such a long proven track record, you may be investing in passive income under false pretenses. And the ideas of this is something that interests you like this is a group to look at includes like Coca Cola and McDonald's like fortune. Yeah. Like companies that you bump into all the time IBM lesser, but to give you a specific example, apple I'm an investor in apple sure, they do pay dividends. It's one point three three percent. You know, and it is greater than most savings account interest rates. So it's you know, you got the growth of apple and you get a yield. However because they do it for so short of a time. I don't think that you could really Bank on it. There are part of the dividend because you've been doing it for over twenty five years and increasing it to be in that group, right? Which makes sense. Why apple wouldn't be in that like tesla wouldn't be right, even and they don't pay different. There's not there's not been around that long. Right. Twenty five years old. That's quite a streak. Interest. Okay. That's super simple. You can do that with betterment. You can do that with like normal investing goals. Right. You don't have to like go in individually invest in Coca Cola. You can invest in index funds, which is there an index fund that specifically there, no doubt. And I'll tell you what. There are going to be awesome show notes. And I'll make sure that is included. Cool. The other thing you have here's debt now you're talking about like investing in other people's debt. Yeah. How is that passes? So what happens is similar to like if you invested in the dividend aristocrats, you give them, you know, he put thousand dollars in these stocks, and then he just earn into perpetuity if I invested in say on lending club. What that person would normally pay a Bank, they essentially pay lending club, which collects the money, and then just sends it to me. So if I invested a loan that has a fifteen percent interest rate over the course of a year, depending how much money I put in is how much will get back. But it'll be fifteen percent return. So does it does passive matter? If you have to keep doing it. Because to me, that example, sounds like well, what if the debt or would if the loan of this person took out as only for a year five years, and then after that you have to do it. They have like literally a toggle where you could you could say automate it and you could set rough criteria of invest in. So because what happens is when you get paid from lending club. You either choose to have it brought back to your account live in lending club for you to invest manually. Or just reinvest every month, you'll get interest payments from the debt you bought or funded rather and those can go into new loans. That's what it what you want. And do you still use? I mean, I just have it about. I haven't looked at it in a while. Oh, wow. Really? What about prosper, I never used prosper? I liked all the data the lending club had their essentially a quivalent. I mean, they're like the. And obviously, we're not talking about this subject lending club. You can use the other way too, right? So it's like the whole thing is like they have the demand and the supply so like match of an easy needs alone. And then there's like mad Inco that invests in the lone met, Jim, easy, right? Well, I know about prosper because they're always at the poll shows that I go to really, yeah. Because people want to get loans for in ground pools. And apparently like that's the company they they can go. You could definitely use them to get a low a pool loan. I wouldn't personally invest in some of the. But I mean, depending I to be high because there may be not the smartest, but you know. But I mean, you're not true or not. But like, you're probably not buying a pool unless you can afford, right? I would hope that you wouldn't. Have to take a low now, I would hope to. Yeah. What about real estate? So I think that is like the most popular and like cliche. Because I'll tell you what I know is very anecdote will. But that shit is not pass it for me. You know? The most stressful. Emmett has gotten less stressful in actually, it was it was funny. I was talking talking to staff, and I was like, oh, yeah. They're somebody renting my place. I can put like somebody somebody's been taking somebody took over I paid a property management company or got at this property management. So I've episode that I've been like we should do this. And it was like. The the worst rental property recovery plan. I want to talk about your host over unique story, but like mine have been largely hands off. And I think the I think what you've learned as you got a manager in place, and it's been and so the idea and end more, passive, even no I'm not technically making money yet. If you had bought it with cousin my signs, totally. Yeah. My situation is different. But for if you're starting out, and you're doing this intelligently can't be passive, right? So it's been pass it for you. You know? Yeah. So so it's passive for me. And this is another one relatively right? Exactly. You have to make a decision, and it is often. So I invested Georgia. And I this management company called Excalibur. They are amazing. I literally only wanna buy where they service because you would hope with that name. They will. Well, because they're good and I have only otherwise had bad experiences. I feel like I just have to work with them. But essentially, they send me emails that were decision. I have to make and they include what they would do as a recommendation and my at so smart. So I have to do is reply. Yes. Or no like or I agree. Have you ever disagreed with their recommendation? So then why can't you just put something in place? It's like whatever you guys think. I'm I wanna know to ask me. Okay. Okay. I was gonna say that'd be when when the toilet breaks. Then Lauren I can talk about that. Because that's fun conversation. And I guess like finding the actual property is impassive, but that's the work up front. Right. You had to do some work up front to set up the passive income stream. And then allow different from like finding the if you're interested in dividend stocks picking the ones that, you know, share like. Yeah. Or yeah. Finding the index funds or even picking the software that you're gonna use like there is other things than Batterman. I use betterment. But there's you know. Wealth front rights, acorns wealth. Simple while simple. And when financed. There's like a whole slew of them. There's a bunch and so got four then vanguard directly. Yeah. I used fidelity now fidelity, I mean, Goldman Sachs has them. Everyone has them. It's like the hottest thing I've bought the roof sock. But my first one I didn't I know people who know certain areas. Well, and they literally just pick them themselves. Drive up like, that's the one. How did you? How'd you pick your first one through a guy named Bill O, which is how some people get murdered and others by rental properties. It was on Craigslist or it wasn't all that better. From got a lesson learned. Is there any other ways you can use real estate to do passive? I mean, besides just buying real just buying a single property. Hiring a property management company because you can eat capital that right? You need a lot. Not everyone wants to be invested in like a single place. Or deal with that risk. You know in or you to get a mortgage to which is not fun. So there are crowdfunding sites where you essentially by fractional shares in many places across different areas, my favorite, and this is where Lauren I are kinda only putting investments right now as fundraise they live in the middle tier? So if you imagine the house you live in as like a bottom tier like I could buy that potentially as a rental property. But if it was like, the the block that you live on like, there's no way I could buy that. But I could buy that, you know, and then there's like huge skyscrapers like in Manhattan, and so fun rises in the middle. Whether or not the skyscrapers, and they're not like smaller. Is it similar to lending club? Like in that in the idea. I mean, it is very similar only the differences. There are developers that essentially pitched them Nala different file, an individual pitches you to fund their pool own and then fundraise picks the ones they think are the best. Oh, so you're not you're you're investing in one developers. Like a lot of properties. No, no. So ten different properties by ten different. They created this concept wall. So their reits real estate investment trust invest in the stock market. They created what they call an eerie, which has all of the same trappings of read. And so they basically allow you to like so they have a fund that invests in all the deals and say, the heartland or on the east coast or income, and then you buy into that fund which and so essential. You own fractional pieces of all of those deals. And it's easy to do. It's never betterment. They're actually, okay. I think that you feel that they were very similar go. Anything else about real estate that we missed? I mean, you could invest in the stock market things like fun rise ten better. But yeah, that's that's basically it cool. What about building an online business, which is what we do. How we make? Income. No, you tell me. Well, I mean, look. The first thing I'll say is. It's not as. Accessible as the first two examples. Right. You do need a skills. A special skill set to build a business in general. And it's and it's a lot of time. Like just a ton more time where the other the first who we mentioned was we're like, you could do it today have even hundred bucks. You could start today businesses like Rb, you're not gonna be making some scale as well like swimming diversity wouldn't make money if a thousand people visited a month. No, I mean, it would just be it would maybe pay for your toothbrush. Well, I have another site that I built. That currently makes about five hundred bucks a month, and it's completely passive. I haven't. Abe is a beer site. That have we haven't created. And I say we I should just call it the Royal. We me I haven't created any articles on it in like four months, but it only gets eleven thousand people visiting it a month, but equals out to five hundred bucks. That's it's passive. Yeah. I mean that is actually passive or not do any work on it. Right. Yeah. The only thing you have. Yes. For now. But we're going to we're working on it again soon. So. But so the one that the all the sites that I owned for the most part, I know I shouldn't say that. Swimming diversity is the majority of that site is earned through filial incomer affiliate marketing stuff. So basically, you know, what I write an article about Pulau, gee, I suggest products Amazon products that they could buy to health and get rid of algae, if they buy those products through Amazon, I get a commission. That article ranks on Google. And so it continues to bring in money. I don't have to update it and technically you could start a website with one massive article about one specific topic with a with a decent affiliate network and rank number one for that topic and kind of walk away, and it will just pay you money. But I also, you know, my I mentioned the skill set in the beginning. I mean, that's what I did for a living before I did any of this like I built websites, you know. You know? So it was sort of my wheel if any of that is interesting, and I find that interesting. We actually created a separate show that dives in or goes through the weeds of exactly how we do it. It's called up. Yep. He's checking out. Yeah. Money lab dot co slash podcast did there. Yeah. Cool. So so money lab, specifically is my is the other brand that I'm talking about that doesn't make money through affiliate marketing, but makes money by selling digital products. So I have two courses I sell a rap album, which just sold the other day one of one copy sold the other day. It's two years old. And I sell a plug in WordPress Plugin, so and I mean, it's not on money lab. But you sell this thing that I didn't know people bought before I was in the space on swimming -versity of an e book. Earns. Yeah. Right. Literal. Tens of thousands of dollars a year. Actually, we didn't episode on money lab. And yeah. Yeah. So these are all things like create and obviously takes time to like write the book or like record the rap album, you know, but then like your it's completed and done, and then it just lives online and just cells into perpetuity. Yeah. I mean, you have to like money lab have to consistently do a podcast. I have to do. I have to write articles. Yeah. I mean money lab does not get traffic through SEO. We don't rank on Google for anything. So it's a constant. You know, that's the least passive of the businesses own. And but yeah, diversity yet ten years to ten years to build it up. I really didn't make money in the first four five years for years. And then it started to make decent money, and I say decent like I couldn't live on it. But decent money within like the year four because it just required a ton of traffic for the affiliate stuff to pay off. You've also way for years at a time. Yeah. I know. Yeah. Because he for your life. Right. That's true. Yep. So. Yeah, just like very specific very niche berry. I knew how to do all the pieces of the puzzle. Because I did those puzzle pieces. That's what I did for an an act. I worked at a job where I did do. Website design for so it was like the marrying of things that you knew. Yeah. Yeah. And then I also for awhile sold sponsorships because once I had enough traffic, I sold, you know. You know, hey, you can advertise are on our website and our blog with sponsored posts you can advertise our newsletter that we send it every week. I have not done that in a year. But it was definitely something not a very passive stream of income. Requires you to sell. And then the other one that I haven't done, but I do wanna talk to you about doing this for money lab. Maybe go on. I don't wanna bite my tongue here starting Ed drop shipping. Ecommerce business, just for an experiment. I me. I've been dying to do it. And even then like loathing, I'm worried not what I wanted to be. But to not go into the weeds, give me like fifteen seconds. But basically, there are companies that sell things that have catalogs, and they will do all of the order processing and shipping for you. All you have to do is sell the product and then their tools like shop affi- that do all the front end. This is the store piece. So all you need to literally do is bring people to your shop. If I store have the things they want, and this is like like an internet unto itself just. Yeah. It's just a lot of work to Lada. It's a huge time investment up front for sure. Yeah. And then obviously like if the catalog changes, and it may not may or may not work out, and I cannot speak inexperienced to it. But, you know, people lewd to being a very, passive e type thing. Yeah. Cool. Well, listen, we have a couple more things that we wanna talk about in the passive income world. We want to talk about passive Tron and his automatic cash dispenser. So before we get to it. We gotta take a break drink a beer perhaps or take a couple of sips a little parched. But when we return we're gonna continue our conversation about passive income. Hey, are you hiring are you? Posting your job position sites and waiting and waiting and waiting. For the right people to see it. That's how many times that happen to you all the time all the time. I can never find good people. 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Like a great episode, and he basically their websites like biz buy-sell that have like nail salons like bars like just any business that you could like a real brick and mortar business like little actual now salons, I know, this is a dream of yours. Your. Tell me more. It was either that or a dry bar, right? Just like blow out. Yeah. Definitely is that a thing in Hoboken. There's like I don't know three or four wait a minute. Is that like a place where they blow dry your hair? I don't understand. But I think one just opened on the street, and I didn't. And that makes more sense on the podcast. How I built this. I believe they have the founder of dry bar on which is the biggest one, but it's like girls that don't wanna haircut. But there's want the hair blow job. I don't know adult. Good for a few days. Okay. Well, not to go on a tangent. But it I thought it was just a normal Harrison opened up like literally like two blocks away. It's called blow. It's kind of an I was like that's not a good name for place. At all. There's so many context that doesn't make sense. Anyway, do you want to best walking into a place called blow? No. But also, I don't have hair to blow. Dennis true. I am sorry that they would not take you on. I'm folically John high risk customer. Look, we the rest of it. No. It'd be terrible investment. But anyways. So this guy he would go, and he would look at these businesses books all of which are on biz by sell, and he there's certain things that he looks for. And he he knows what he can do similar like if you were to buy a website, you would know how to fix it. He would by certain types of businesses fix them up put his team in place. And then you just sell them. He doesn't even look to keep them. He's sensually flips them, so he's a he's a business flipper, essentially. And so I we actually know a couple who through biz buy-sell they bought a Montessori school that does and. Potential. Amac's value can earn a shocking large amount of money. I didn't I did not under scan understand these businesses before. Sure, but that's a viable option. Right. Like, especially if there's a team needs a risky, so so so okay for this particular, passive, income example, your it's kinda not it's like you. If you're buying a business, like, you're you're doing you're running a business initially to stabilize it, you know, and that could be years and also the capital involved to do that is just as sure right? I would imagine finance it. But but you're still, but but not necessarily compared compared to the first option, which is basic believing compare the second. Riskiest one for sure. Yeah. I mean, I've I've sold websites before I've I sold I sold a website and Twitter account. On flip dot com. Way back in the day back in two thousand eight I remember when it was for five hundred dollars. Really? Yep. Why was it? What was the Twitter account? So the. Website was arrested development blog dot com. And it was before they came out with the four seasons. So it was a while ago. It was like right after the show ended or not after the show ended. I think in two thousand six and you just have the domain or was it was a website. I know I had a website like, I built this website and and used to collect around content. That's okay. All right. This is like right at the same time. I started some university as well. So. Very long time. And you spend kind of like you did it a while ago. Yeah. Did it a while ago? And I the the Twitter account. I had was at the blue. Oh, that's a cool one. Yeah. I if I love the show as much as you did I would pay that just to kind of being Astle on that account. Yeah. In the psycho traffic, if you did just didn't make any money. It was you know, it was kind of passionate hobby and solar for five hundred bucks on flip. Tim raisman? Yeah. Not very I wouldn't call that passive, but because they had to actively add stuff. And Meanwhile, I was waiting. I was I was hoping that the movie was coming out. And so I was going to capitalize on like having branded. Yeah. But I saw that. And I many months or many years later the four season came out. So. To head of my time. I was, but you know, if you want to not take very risky approach, you could be potentially buying arrested development blog on flipper for five hundred dollars that could be your income something. Yeah. I mean, you probably make that money back in a year. But I mean, we're talking about small potatoes. But you could do it bigger. I mean you and I have thought about buying a website. Yeah. Just to try it out to happens. I mean, we do other investing stuff. So why not that at least it's something think like in a specially this Rome like if you can do basic web development things feel comfortable like with web stuff this. This could be a really good opportunity. But if this is all like, if HDL CSS are things that you don't know what they are and scary. You should avoid at all costs. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know people had to get into it. And I'm like I have to help them calm. Yeah. Because they don't know what they're doing trying to think if there's anything else, that's like, you know. Totally random, but I have an album that I record it many years ago that still pays me money on CD, baby. No way, I probably get twenty bucks. Like every two years. That's awesome, though, the semi at twenty. So weird dream is real the dream is real. I. I I have a friend. He's my dad's friend, and he wrote a bunch of hits for Stevie Wonder go on and he wrote he wrote signed sealed delivered yet. I know that dude has basically lived off these his relatives his whole life, so passive income like a motherfucker. Oh my God. So the alternate, passive income, right? Hit song right now on multiple royalties exchange. You could buy the royalties from V Christian hip, hop, Grammy winning artist, Toby MAC. Whoa. Last in the last twelve months so you buy their royalties. So you buy it from them. They get a lump sum of money, and then you can collect their royalties for the rent. So it says the last twelve months of his royalties were four thousand four hundred thirty six dollars. It's an an auction. And if you wanted that you could buy it for seventeen thousand seven hundred dollars right now. So in a little over four years, if it was consistent, you know, it would pay off. Yeah. And so obviously, it's. That. I don't know Chris you could sell it. If you can get a Toby MAC song, and like a commercial or a voyeur or or somehow like it goes viral video or whatever your dad or your own cool or some person you knew did commercials and your close friends with them. And you're able to acquire a song that was fitting to the work. They do you could potentially and the and so the crate with the commercials can have to pay probably based on the amount of people that consume it. Sure. And so like, I would never do this because I don't know anyone like this. And I'm just so far from the music world. However, I would cut into what? I want you to do this to say that I have like, oh, I owned the royalties. Toby max the tire. Tells you the theoretical. I are like the rate of return like wow up for auction is a collection of tracks from cut the cheek and Bob. All right. That's a that's interesting or you just write your own hit saw. And so you could list on here as well. Cool. So what about renting out stuff? Like, I kind of. I have my own personal. Gripe against this. But what about like Airbnb and that what's the what's that car rental company? Get around. No tr true T Torri me, Terry. Yeah. So man. Okay. So when you were allowed to do it in New York, I a buddy that I worked with who. He he lives touro. Sorry. I've heard of that one. He lives. He's he lives in Manhattan. He lives. A few blocks maybe like ten blocks from Times Square, and when discovered and this is before they banned in New York when he discovered like he he was getting like two hundred fifty or so at night, it was more profitable for him and his wife to go on long weekends that will be paid for and more from just renting the room out. He has some weird stories about shit that was left parliament. And we're pretty sure that sex parties were happening in their something. But you know, if that doesn't bother you and you just describe my. Anything that? I personally try. I tried pitching it to Laura and she was like, no one is going to be staying in our house, and I get I mean, you know, doing the nasty on your bed, which they do they sometimes the rent them out just for sure. No matter how many runs through the washing machine. My sheets will never that's how I I will say that when Lauren I travel we almost exclusively use Airbnb and any place that we stayed. It's like basically a rental property like no one really lives. There earn most cases they don't. But you gotta do you. Gotta do work every single time. Right. How pass it higher that come in on? It's like an automated thing like the lock on the door is an internet connected. Lock that they can give us a code and stuff. And I mean, my buddy Travis owns four rental properties. And Philadelphia all Airbnb. And I'm guessing at four he does. Well, he wouldn't have kept buying them. If they weren't. He bought them all very fast. So they they they do. Okay. I believe and I don't want to speak. I don't to speak for him. But I know that it can be stressful because he's doing a lot of the property management. He has to all I was gonna say a lot of times people like the owners communicate directly with us, which is what they which is what he'd manage it. And I think that Lauren iron not pass. Right. Like, we're just like, hey, you know, is a parking or whatever. But I can imagine some people being very needy in their conversations. Sure. And it's like for four hundred bucks to whatever nights. Like do. You really wanna get into that? I bet you there's a way to ought not automate. But maybe in a sense automated, develop the the end all be all PDF that you automatically send people who do fast booking only. That's like all your questions. Like there is you cannot contact me. All the questions are in this book. Please do not contact me unless you have. Problem like, you have a lock on your door that's like typing code, and they all have minders when you go in that have like. Oh, yeah. Rats word. How to check out, you know. Yeah. I mean, you could certainly do it especially living desirable neighborhood. Like, I mean Steph when I would you. I'm sure you guys clean up like I could clean up here. Because there's always people come into boulder, and we're like right in the heart downtown in house. So it's like, yeah. I just again don't want anybody. For lack of a better, dude. Like, a one that I think like ten times at a ten I would rent would be a car like you would alluded to with like Toro or get her out. I have a friend who does that cause. But he lives in the city. I mean Steph just did she just drove down new mecca? We only have one car between the two of us, and she drove down in New Mexico, and I needed the car, but instead of renting from like enterprise, she rented from an actual person. And who happened to have the exact same car? We only use it car for our cars, we could essentially use something like this. And like if you drive for work, but you don't drive around the weekend like you'd fit like blower, and I might be rented from you all the time and your car's getting it's like max value. Do you have a parking spot that you pay for? We do not because that is damn expensive in Hoboken. Do you owe? So when you buy a house, you don't I mean, I'm assuming when you rent well, you own your house. I own a condo in the street parking is for anyone. Oh, it's not you don't have a permit because you live there could but they're street cleaning. And so you have to be constantly moving your car. It is like a job unto itself. But there can you good wasn't say like there are people in Hoboken who do have spots. And they ran out for like two fifty because they don't because they don't own a car right because they're not using it. I mean, I in this area. You don't really need a car. Yeah. Interesting. Let's talk about rewards. Because that's the last thing on our list, and I'm assuming you're talking about credit card rewards. So that's one the episode that we did like about traveling. So yeah, like whether you're getting like one and a half percent cashback or getting points for flights. It's something you're doing anyways. And you're just getting free things as a result. But it's only passive income if you pay off your credit card, and you don't exactly so there's a there's gotta be like to spend it on the credit card and not pay it off like you're super losing money. Like, the I interest Bill you lost maybe more than you would ever earn through these like with our Amazon card. Maybe we get like one hundred fifty to two hundred dollars a month in rewards, but an interest rate on the spends would. Would be. Yeah. We would have ruined it for life. So you have to pay response card every month. Yup. There are rewards that you can get that don't involve credit cards, though. I don't know. I mean like was would open table count. So they points and stuff like count. Yeah. And it's free too. I mean, I I do a lot of booking if I can I will definitely make a reservation through open table because you get points. But I don't eat out that much, and I haven't I've yet to reap the rewards of the points that I've open table like and like thing they're promoting they'll give you like a thousand points. And maybe you need like twenty five thousand points, get a twenty five dollar gift certificate or something. Like that. Sure. So there's this app called seated that Lauren I are beyond addicted to we like see seeded or seek your but his eat your seat. You put your into would be seated, and we now almost exclusively uses at and you get a percentage of your Bill back. And so well, yeah. So there's this place at Hoboken called Halifax. And it's in the w hotel, and it's like, really nice good food. Great place. Ansi twenty-five percent cashback on seated so like that fright. That's a lot of money. So Lauren, I go we spent like we buy alcohol thousand. Twenty. Or like, you know, one fifty if we're going to go out to this place. It's kind of expensive, but he at twenty five percent back. Wait is it ceded dot com. It's an Anna. So they don't really have a website. I was gonna okay, I was going to say because it says after request access are are you in so no. So it it'll be in the show notes. But it's okay. It's it's called like seeded app. But I think I might have just done something. So that's a thing. Yes. I did do something else. I apologize for that. It's yes. Seated at dot IO. Yeah. Lovling. Whatever pretty cool. And the there's one other thing that I didn't know. So if you. Say get a shipment from target dot com, or whatever, and they say it's gonna be like two days, and it winds up being four days, or if there's like a price change, they all these stores have terms that like if it didn't get delivered on time you actually get like compensated, but no one ever gets compensated because no one ever asks or knows or cares share. And so there's this app called powerbase that basically detects and does it for you. How is it passive? I mean, I guess not no. Because you have to do it. It's time. Right. I would imagine it alerts every time. It's like, hey, do you want this? And you're basically, yes. And then it, but it automate like so you have to sign up for it. I'm assuming it automatically tracks. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Well, that is passive in a way, I guess it's a way to like report from what you're already have done doing. Right. But obviously as you know, number like six and the last bullet six it is the biggest stretch. I mean. Yeah, it's passive. We're talking about like passive penny not passes. But I mean, look, hey, it's it's money money. There's this called drop where it like if you go to like trader Joe's and use Uber, and blah, blah, blah, you just get cash back additionally and sign up for and so like every month, I get like twenty dollars because we only buy groceries from trader Joe's just going into trader Joe's good. I mean, look it's only twenty dollars that I get a mugger. So it's not like insane. But I feel like that was my twenty dollars because they're just giving giving that solely that's worth it. Well, listen, that's all the passive income. Like, that's like the most the part of the easiest and the most like accessible, passive income strategies. There are I'm sure there's like it's the laundry list roller qualifies. There's a lot of sh bullshit out there. Yeah. There you go. If you missed anything, we'll have it in the show. We've already mentioned that if you times in the episode and to find the show notes, you can check your preferred podcast app or just visit the money matters dot com. Slash show. That's it. Please describe to our podcast wherever you normally. Listen to podcasts, that's helpful. It's how we make passive income. That's how. We have to do shows and say this past month didn't really feel about passive. No. We did thirty one episode says a lot on over at money lab, but tell your friends about money matters point than to your favorite episodes. 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Dumb People Town

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Corinne Fisher - Phantom Pill Packet

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So we didn't really talk a ton beforehand. But like we got out there and immediately you guys play ball. Yep. You guys just came right out and went for it. Immediately just talked dick. Right. The story. Dan, Dan, stories that were perfect for you guys. A dick Centric, people know, we're real real people. Listen, no, it is. It is the farthest thing from one I would say if Dan pick stories about people in their kinks that's more like in line with 'cause everyone's got their stuff. Everyone does other stuff and you have. I mean, I've I've had a really become more open minded now if you want to wear a diaper, and you're an adult man, that's fine. You do an easy to this. Yeah. Diapered off. Did I tell you? I sent this. I think this to Huchon sent this picture, but I was in Palm Springs at this like books with my family with my kids with their for my daughter's gymnastics competition, we're in this like cool little gift store, and I saw your book right there at I took a picture. I was like. What it is real quick because we fucked book, but what's it called? It's called being sexually exploitive and self confident in a world that's screwed. I showed it to my daughter. And I was like CC. Yeah. Just came out on paperback and a couple of weeks ago like around Valentine's Day, get on it. Yes. You want to do a store story. People have their stuff is some of that people have sent in by Nick Irvine at super man's underscore Papa Superman's underscore pasta. This guy. I don't think has ever sent in a store before. And I remember because you do such a good job. We have those people that send over and over there. Just the way Dan does it is if you do hashtag don't people town and send it and van Kirk. I I personally do it find the story ends on his feet all the time in the sense that he knows who's I if he doesn't get a Roth. So this is a new person. So thank you. It helps with Twitter because they put them in time. They time to. Right. So I don't wanna get too much credit. All right, Hoboken, New Jersey. In backyard the pride of Frank Sinatra. And Joe Pantoliano police say a burglar is in custody after a wild crime spree in Hoboken Wednesday that had a number of twists and turns along the way so a regular evening in Hobo. Also the sentence like that I'm like don't we'll town if you got twists and turns and the go to Bank swells. Right. Do you? Hang out in. The last time you hung in hopes probably couple of months ago. I was at the Hoboken comedy festival was that. It's great. I really liked the Hoboken comedy festival show. Yes. Well, I mean, my my mom's from Jersey City. So which is like I mean, HOGAN is jersey is that he basically, but it's like the chic parts too. It's the part that can see Manhattan better. I it's it's weird all the drunkenness of Manhattan, but all the class of New Jersey. It all started. When a thirty say the man wearing a construction jacket will never come into play again in the rest of the story. No clue why wearing construction jacket in New Jersey that could be anybody. What is it construction jacket? One of those like reflector, orange jackets with like the yellow stripes on it. Yeah. But. I think these are sleep jackets because in like. Yeah. All right. But I think it's a vast. Winter he doing. He's wearing construction jacket. He broke into a pizzeria through the roof. He tried to break an ATM to steal cash, but was unsuccessful then he went back into the back of the pizzeria and took two dozen bottles of Snapple. Those hard core jersey story, this is gonna give me a Snapple taking honest to God. When's the last time you or you saw someone drinking a Snapple me every day Hort Snapple? Yes. Kiwi. Strawberry. Okay. So Bret Michaels makes a flavor tropical t- life. Yes, he does. And I finally recommend go white label with black on. But then there's the fruits are in colors so bad on it. You're always said the Brett my. Uh-huh. In Louisville Louisville. But there's a there's a street in Louisville. Where there are there's a part Louisville. Where there are. I'm not joking six Wiggs stores. Oh, I was like. This is the whig district. I'll see you got to move to Harlem, there's the wakes up the zoo K, but I didn't realize on one St. six stores like one store could probably handle all the wave. No. I'm like what is that store? Have that this store doesn't have? So we said Bret Michaels who has his own hair issues should open up a kiosk in front of one of the Whigs stores, and it's just so bandannas, and they should call it bandana Republicans. Sklar brothers, all the complaints. But I wanted to hear savings we still having because I felt like I I haven't seen a Snapple since nine this lady nine. Yeah. I remember. Not only do I remember this novel. A there's a video somewhere on YouTube of me impersonating. What is someone who was like, you're going to be the new Snapple, would you? Yes. What are you talking about? I am the deep with snap product that. I love I'm happy to promote twizzlers Iacocca if your Taco Bell. If you're listening. Cheesecake factory. Nothing healthy that you've said in the land. Who wants to promote health? That's boy that's functions that feels like very Paul tro dapple ladies named Wendy Kaufman. Name of a girl who went to Google back. 'cause I just you. It'd be so fun. If you're like, yeah, we had the snap. I love you. What is her thing? Well, god. I what. Snap bullets making things pop pop. Yeah. That a Gatorade bottle here all day Chappel bottles the plastic now. So. That's how he was able to even carry two dozen. Got it. So he gets money ATM. He goes steals. Two dozen bottles of snap. That's a hall just twenty four days. If my math suspect tried using a fire extinguisher debris through the front door only to find the roll down gates close. So he was trapped. Part of me wishes. Jacket. This is him in the guy. Fire fire extinguisher Atta starter wishes that he just was trying to spray the door open with the phone. Puts you out. He climbed back up and crawled through a common attic and dropped into the nail salon next door. So now, he went back up into the roof that he came or ceiling that it came in from crawled until he got into another business and dropped into a nail salon and went and woke up Odin car, then he proceeded to steal some money from the salon upon realizing he was trapped in that location. He climbed back up into the crawlspace. He had created in the early and went into the store next to the nail salon which happened to be jackpot a liquor store. Oh, baby. Once inside the earliest picked up two bottles of hard, candy, right? Once inside the liquor store he walked around with his buttocks exposed with seemingly no concern that his pants had fallen down. Here is store. Walker like his pants or mid thigh. And he just keeps walking them. How is that comfortable to? Doc around wondered is up there. How is it called to walk around have construction jacket and not underwear? Well, I mean, that's thing. I mean, I don't know if you've ever seen the village people perform. That I would assume probably undergarments who still under construction. Tune them after stealing perfect Hennessy from the store. He created a six foot hole in the wall of the liquor store and went into the dollar store where he again was unable to get out. Look at this whole he created. Doesn't even look big enough. He's always this'll be on the face, by the way, he is a giant rat. This is what I thought too. Raymond size rat. Like if you're gonna make a whole make it big enough for you to go through. But isn't this what a rat? Would normally do is like I'm gonna grab some of this over here. Then go. There you go. Go up into this. First sentence, you'll speedy Gonzales. The worst example shirt, right? You may have like a secret nip actions rats of nam this frisbee inside the dollar store. This is the sentence. You'll only hear dump people town inside the dollar store. Police say he drank the Hennessy and fell asleep on a toilet paper shelf. Here. He is on the show Ving inside the starter kit. All the toilet paper everywhere. There's also money on the floor as well. It's hard to see. He's lost a shoe who crawls into a show today. He looks so cute. Well, the thing is I mean is this kind of back soul. Like, what's happening? He's on Snapple right now can get you. This is the worst elf on a shelf. I've ever seen. Where is the dollar store proprietor? That's the nicest way to say. Yeah. That one has a degree in journalism. What the crime was worth it. In order for the paper to call the proprietor found him in about ten AM and called police. I would think would be. What if they were open for two hours? The open early because if they don't have jobs. That's why we only have a dollar ten AM. What are you a Brooklyn boutique? Benny Benny Ramirez of union city was arrested and charged with four counts of burglary three concert theft and four counts of criminal mischief. Ring it up. Yes. Burglary, tools and hindering apprehension. It's a legal to have burglary tools. What was his tools is bare hands and willpower angle bottles now broke into what four places in one night. Well, he did the whole through the one to get to the P nail. Ceiling into the pizza place back up into the ceiling down into the nail salon back up to the ceiling down into the liquor store and then through the liquor store into the dog. What was his what was his hall? It was like two dozen Snapple bottle of Hannity some money family. The floor. This to me should be the song of Christmas. My right. The head is he? The nail salon toy. I'll setup you guys is referencing. One of your great, bits exclusive video from news copter. Seven. Showed police on the roof taking measurements as they investigated. The case what did they just perplexed? I don't know how they all. He got. All that what happened here. There was ten thousand dollars in damage in the pizzeria alone. Look at what he did to this ceiling Ray through the whole thing. Breaking it all from the dining area to the back of the kitchen. Oh my God. Let's just play a real quick roundup. And we'll get out of the store. How do you think? This dude was. Are. Is. Yes. She's your gophers third coat loves Hennessey sleeps on toilet paper, walks with his pants down around his ass rates when he's sick a climate through ceilings, how break out of a place with a fire extinguisher you wanna go. First figure third thirty four thirty four forty four. Jay guys, forty forty from J appetite. This is forty. No, I think he's twenty nine twenty nine twenty nine twenty nine thirty four and forty Dan, you have to be if to be physically able to to go up into the roof and then back down. It's not an easy thing. Right. Yeah. Only one year old myself thirty four it's about it's about to be over your about your point in time in your life. Where you couldn't go up in the roof twelve. I couldn't cut into a pizza parlor trick. All right, ready. Get out of here on this. Why don't you guys is one year away because the man who went on this funds spree of just I mean, he was he was like, I don't wanna rob anymore. But if I'm gonna have to keep breaking into these places, I might as well, right? Blame the stores for trying him. Right. If you would have just let me out, then I wouldn't be stealing money from your nail salon, man. Who did all this is good chances. And now towns because he's thirty years old. Thank you. We're off and running off and running Crin is with us. It's dumb people town don't go anywhere. Town. This is Ron burgundy telling you to listen to my podcast. Here's a little something to wet your appetite right now, I'm a little terrified because I don't know what a podcast is. Let's take some calls caller number one year on with Ron burgundy, what's on your mind. He callers, no callers. No. Because people aren't listening in realtime Shek got it. If you are listening to this and have downloaded it by mistake. Please turn it off. Now, turn it off. You know, we we live so the will cruise here. Okay. All right. Okay. So if you're Taurus, your horoscope is come on pull you together Kelly. I saw you defecate. It was reduced to my basic angle. Romburg any podcast available. Wherever putt guests are found. Got. I love the names is one of my favorite things. We reading your name's connects us on some level to you as we feel. So deeply connected so much gratitude for everyone who's donated like Elizabeth Cardi B, Elizabeth Bacardi. I didn't see you'd be Cardi ain't no party like a little bit Cardi party out. High Dakota friend Dakota. French sounds like a style of salad dressing. You can only get in the mid west power there in mid west. Of course, is it is there preventative with rich to KOTA front Dakota, French Michael Myers. Ben psycho. Sorry, you could find your classic films will. But this is the time on sprocket spent we dance do do do do do. It's a different Michael Myers. Okay. So how about Alex store? Chalik store g white center on every like Catholic school basketball team L sorts. He's six foot nine th you got to pass out. George. Get your head out looks cool. What's wrong? What's going on in hill? Scored storch. You want to run laps Storch is out here playing they're kicking his butt up against the wall because a ham. Lotions and Storch is. Dan, you get this Ness. Kaley cheddar cheddar. Gotta get you out of cheddar. I'm gonna give you some. I'm not putting Ceylan blast. But there are nine letters in her last name and seven of them. So Now, Dan, I no one can pronounce her name correctly. I don't count L A R. I know I it issues Klar this is four com. Everybody wants to say skyler dealers. Kaley T S C H E T T shut. Art Jeter yeoman, you've got gotta get that out of your silent is or the s or the C H shafting shedder better how about Amy Weston. Thank you, Amy for bringing us of what Harry Carey, we'll do it changes. Her here from Sudan. From people had like way, more constant volume violence. Mark. Mark McCain Mark McKay. Mark levin. Mark mckenna. I know Ken, Ken. I know MacArthur car mechanic love when we get people. Are they're sharing it one of only. Lord, Lori Lori. Thank you, Laura. Dennis clark. I want to put a junior on their junior on their. Yes names. You look at it and trust data's Clark junior. Sounds like the niche makes me not trust Dennis Clark. Dennis clark. I'm like, that's where I get my insurance. You get a better. Tell me a good, Dan. Dennis cars. Get handshake. Dennis Clark is like a UPS driver straight up straight up. Okay. Who goes on American idol in the UPS uniform and kills and then he has to wear the UPS. Dennis flex UPS driver that you wanna talk to longer than he wants got packages to deliver. What else is going on with you? When you pave. I'd like our. How about Kelly McIntyre muddle, that's a full. I'm about to muddle this up Kelly McIntyre model. Okay, Dan, you only outdone by L key Bernal Bruton Elke Burnell Bruton is that you you think it's Elke help L. I think it's L. Another podcast, they Reese through the I don't care. I don't care either. I'm like, how do I asked commit as a sorry. Can I ask you is the Elke Bernal brute? How's it prepare? You can get a to can you? How do I get it to is it Flom bay? What's the other destructed? Democ shame. It's a shame Democrats. Shane down. We've got herself shape. Democ? Let's shut this down now. Oh, lisera baske-. I was going to go rob a ska. I put rabasca sauce on every minute makes me everything about Jamie sina, Jamie scene out here a lot. And I ain't seen it change. I'm seeing Jamie as a city council member believe is level of giving. Thank you, Jamie. Helen, be big lebowski. We can I love over. We're going to go then lebowski money. That's Chicago though, you totally different parts in LA, how slope foul-up Faust foul skiing. All right. Thank you. All the dude. Abides by everyone, especially thank you, Jamie seen. Appreciate all you guys so much thanks for contributing some more French. Yes, sure. A little more on your Elke. Bernal Burton shirt. All right, guys. Let's head back to the ship. Hey, guys. Welcome back to DP t-. We're really psyched to have you on the show people. Listen to her podcast. It's fantastic. Guys. We fucked. It because he was so kind and nice, Dan, you should do their show. I'm not bragging on your show. But it would be. Yeah. Down that knows. No shame and telling a go back. On our live episode that we did from the bell house was in Brooklyn. Just love you guys. Love what you've been able to do ever since we met at mooch our member moon to receiver festival experiences of all time. I loved hang with you guys. Even and we didn't really hang until that last night party that jam was so fun. And you guys were amazing. And I was like, well, you guys are now our friends, I'm sorry. Whether you like it or not you got you're stuck with us. You stuck with these days? Yes, we're in. We're in we support all that. You do what else? Tell me you're wearing. We talked briefly about the crews. Can you get into the cruise when you say the cruise? It sounds so fancy because I went on a cash a cruise. The first one ever gas in crews just a dollar sign that what happens. See that's what someone who wouldn't go on the cash and say, hey, she hasn't had a dollar sign like ages. It said it was fun. It was kind of disappointing as a comedian because I wanted to get like it. Good, fifteen minutes or mature. It was so fucking enjoyable and enjoy. Yes, damning, what happened on this? What are you? What are you expecting before you go on the cash cruise? Well, a lot of I a lot of nipples which I did. Did you see a lot of? No. I mean, not slips just full out. We'll out we're like ready to go. They actually had on the itenerary like you have to wear pasties because they knew how AMT Tiba would be to get their nips out where to go. Oh, so it left from Tampa. Which is the only place that a from. Good because he couldn't leave from the pizza parlor. Tampa. And then it was mostly an entertainment cruiser on the water most of the time, but we did dock one day in the Bahamas, and we went to Atlantis and I like on these water sides where you're basically just heaving yourself out. You're kind of fun. I mean, yes, but terrorists goes way down and then launches you in the air. There was no launching one. I didn't see that. But it was like it's like a six story drop. You're just fucking full down. Oh, just straight. No, padding jump. Why is that? Everyone's very, and they were like to lead back because you always, you know, I I sound. I mean, when it's when I'm out of America, I like to be a little bit less risky with just jumping out of things and people were very lax on the security. Sure everyone's running around willy nilly. I mean, there was I've never seen such a large space with so little organization. It's great. I mean, we had hide our goods because they ran out of lockers. But we didn't see any lockers to begin with and someone suggested like hide it in a book. Who worked there? Suggestion that Bush over there. Let me see how you're hiding it. So it so fire festival. Rules apply. Is that what it's actually my? This is okay. I love it. It sounds dumb and beautiful. What was the craziest moment for you? Or was as and then we'll get into the next door. Craziest mall. I don't know the lead lady grabbing my ass dance to girl. Talking a unicorn ones e my daughter has one of those walk around. Walks around we've rainbows over my tits. It was it was a good. That's a good time. Yeah. Every cruise should be like every cruise over my tits. My favorite thing that I have. That's. Thank rainbow would be like fruit different colored. Yeah. A range favor payments chicken breasts over no. They did really try to get. Well, isn't I hop? Is. It back to I have because it was I lost their minds because talk here. This doesn't affect your life. I cared a little did. Yeah. There's just too much. There's too many burgers on the market pancakes. They had the market cornered. Amen. Smashed. All right, Dan. What he got here. We got ready story sent him by Benjamin at Benjamin g main here, we go. A woman lived with a pass with a plastic pill packet in her throat for days. Okay. Without realizing it, okay? When I one time I forgot where I was I had like ripped off the corner of a Fritos bag, and I was eating Fritos. I bid it off. Like, I was like because I couldn't open it for whatever reason I bid it off. And then at eight exact moment I had to suck in air for a second. And I suck the corner of the bag down in my throat. So as like, I can't get this out is just gonna live in me. And I don't know if it ever came out. I just couldn't even tell if it's ever come out. But hasn't okay? So I can understand how someone could get stuck something. Stuck in them for that long? Oh. Dumbing it without knowing it. But what is a plastic pill, though, little thing that you have to pop out the pill of those little square doing the whole thing. The whole thing both thing. Okay. That's large the patient who has not been named swallowed the packet of the painkiller trauma. Trama doll trama doll. She gave the middle of the night last November the woman from Northern Ireland who's in her forties. Head to make multiple hospital visits before doctors found the packet. I'm going to show you this picture is it's inside her throat. The square plastic foil. This is not a stray by would you put that in your throat? This is not an x Ray. This is a camera. This. Dan, Simon and Daska p going down me. What does she swallowed it in the middle of the night? So she like like some kind of like a sleep Walker, but she eats things in our Irish Burghley a-. Vaguely we're talking himself into bed. He did a one woman show called sleep eat with me. How long do you think it was in her throat said Cincinnati? Oh, that's November. Oh, yeah. That's when it happened. But it was in there. I told you it was in there for days. So you know, it's more than two. Okay. But without realizing that was what was ran. How long do you think it was in her throat five days five days? J crew two weeks two weeks. I've seen days I think nine days nine days. This packet, but you can look out on the Facebook Facebook page was pill and pack Jesus Christ was in her throat for seventeen days low. How are you eating with that in your throat doesn't it feel like something's in there? You're not a are you a hypochondriac or someone news worried about like do you get sick easily or no I'm not a high book? I went on cash accrues. I'm fine. Your in your immune system. Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually had laryngitis the entire time on the on the cash flow your voices. Was it a good mix of people young and old boys and girls? Yeah. I mean, basically, I it was like a queer crew. So it was like the outcast of the T Q community. And I'm like it was a lot of like that. And then like, you know, just straight girls who were worrying getting booked that weekend. Thanks. Quote, the trip. I had no idea myself. Maybe maybe well, I really wanted to make out cash show, but she was pretty unavailable. She unavailable. What about ship staff shit? Okay. These are all great questions guys. Ship staff, so ship, the shifts have I not put this look lake uh slaves from other countries like Asian slightly Cambodians not I was actually like kind of like reaching out to them and beyond. Are you guys? Hey Lau to leave any. No, there's we asked their they have six months contracts, and then I was just getting sad. And I was like are you happy? I was trying to talk like are you guys? Ok worrying about that on occasion. Worrying about that on occasion. So the the best prospect for fucking would have been crew from the bands that were on there. There was some hot ask crew in a couple of security for Norwegian. I love a fucking like like tore manager type result hands could pick up tire thing. And. I love that. Sneaker grab that water plug it in and then what was your car? Oh cash. She plays two full concerts. And then. She hosted a couple of other events. So you see are. But I mean that girl can drink. So I think she was hung over on floor fourteen for a while. We did drunkenly go up because my best friends like very attractive. So he just thinks he can do something. Sometimes we can he he can can get into a lot of places. Yeah. But the Cambodian slave was like, nah, like we got off the elevator. And basically they were like, please, go low way. I don't care. Look at it. How we don't care. What if you're an eleven you're not gonna off here. He hot. Yeah. But he hot. He I have no idea. I swallowed this. It was very frightening three. It was a very frightening three weeks. And I couldn't believe when I saw the picture. I know maybe going business. She added that the morning after she swallowed the packet. She felt discomfort and went to the emergency department the pill packet did not show up an x Ray. And the woman was described as quote fit and well by doctor I'd be like I can't. Like there is something. I know doctors told her to come back if there was no improvement and the woman was in the hospital three days later, that's three days of being like, I should go back. Yeah. She spent two nights in the hospital where she was treated with steroids and painkillers until her symptoms improved. And was then discharged, by the way. She's what's in their heads about them. Not getting how fuck do. You know, once you're putting your body Snapple lady would've known number one number off. Offman hospital should have been able to see that. Something was in there. Five days later, she returned to the hospital to have a special x Ray, then focuses on the back of the mouth and throat. But the results were determined to be normal. What no how bad is the medical equipment there? Visit to the hospital. And the Royal Victoria, Victoria hospital in Belfast doctors performed a camera test and finally pinpointed the issue. Oh, yeah. That fucking thing in your. And by the way, like that's the point at which the doctors are like, no, no, no. We're not the idiots. You're the idiots. Don't remember doing this? You don't remember sucking this in a whole deal where did it go? Everybody's dumb. Ran everyone in the story is oh everybody's dumb. She spent two nights in the hospital. Where was images taken showed the pill packet lodged in the woman's throat, and it was safely removed seventeen days after ingestion? I wanna she still feels it. You don't get like a phantom foe handed. Phil. Yeah. Tim pill. Paper cuts like in your throat. She'll never deep throat again a pill packet. Okay. Got story. Number two. Oh, that's a woman. Like, no your body. I mean, that's what we're just going to say she knew her body. They didn't trust her put a camera down. But she should know her body to know enough like not follow that wonder, it'll than I wonder what could have what could be causing this, right? How drunk are you to not know how to put that in? Yeah. What would you ever like been grabbing for something on like your nightstand? And then you think you got one thing, and then it's another thing. And then before you know it. Yeah. Cancer is a love. She said. Not gift one. She added that the morning after she swallowed the packet. She felt discomfort and went sushi knew she did it. Yeah. That's like how she thought. She was supposed to seventeen days later. She was like this hurts. She said the day after all my God this, and she wouldn't she run through all the things that she did. Okay. I tried to take a pill last night. Maybe I didn't check the pill. Oh, I just put the whole the whole thing. Right. No does not dissolve doesn't story to down to the boats. Tease us. What's going to happen in story? I can try. Oh, it is a fun. Oh. The cops want the public's health. And it couldn't be from more dumb. People town reason I love it cred fishers with us one half of guys we thought right? And we're back with more right after this. There's more. Hey, guys. Welcome back to DP t-. We're in Fisher, by the way. Great follow on the Instagram's on the Twitter's philanthropy, Gail McGrane, very bathroom. All the grape about follow this. Go grave markers for a good time. Follow dockers agree for a good time. Followed five soccer's agree. She's a great. It's at philanthropy philanthropy gal, we do it too. Yeah. What else? Live shows coming up anything coming up in the near future hall tonight that doesn't count. Yeah. I don't know. Just I have another podcast also promoting. Two less lonely girls. It's ironic podcast for adult Justin Bieber fans that I do with Rosebud Bakker. Oh. It's just gonna bash bashing. I love how you're just like whatever you like, I love celebrity and talking about celebrities, and you like what you like I feel like that's a much more pure life to live people be like I don't wanna like Justin Bieber because whatever he does a lot of things that annoy people, but you're like, you know, what? I had a run out just Bieber. Oh, we met him. I ran into him just on Santa Monica boulevard. Wanders race Sunday night. He was walking around all by himself. And he was like, hey, and he gives you that that hey of like somebody that wants to like duty. Who was like, hey, and I was going to hamburger Mary's to have a great hamburger, right pickles dynamo. There was that part was like do I feel like I said do you want to come to him? He would have done. He was very like. Hey, man. I'm like, hi. Sometimes like, maybe he kind of looked at you. And it was like this is someone who probably like is even if he does recognize me is not going to treat me weird. And like they're just reaching out for this human connection, but he's been known to wander and like soul cycle he'll go to. But that's what he's been doing like like in hotel slippers in because he's been in New York City a lot cycle in hotels livers now, those are those are great. Was that allowed? You have to click in with your. He's got the slippers that click in. If anyone had them Abebe. If anyone had them, it'd be clicking slivers. All right. You ready for sending by Cindy, y'all? Got the beefs with the clicking slippers. Oh, Cindy sack at MRs underscore sack. S A K. Okay. Thank you, girl. Kutztown which sounds like the town town Pennsylvania college there. I want to there is isn't it? Conversely, performed there. Well, let's tell. Okay. Sorry to name. Humble brag. That's like. In Pennsylvania is looking for people who will willingly and voluntarily get drunk in front of police officers note. Yeah. According to the Facebook post by the Kutztown borough police department three volunteers are needed to help train officers to administer standardized field sobriety tests during a suspected DUI traffic. Stop. Wavings out. The will even be provided by the police department. What do you think they're going to have just pucker? Farms guys, if you're a dumb, people time listener and your anyway, please you giant sign up. Sign up for these hammered with a whole bunch of common. We'll do it criminal you go there for us down, Pennsylvania. I get that fifteen minutes. I I actually probably would do something like that. If a friend would go with if you had your friend who like hot, he going come here, and do I just don't want. I would love to have not to not get my pussy touch. Hey, those ground rules down say, nobody touched me. No, I know. Like, you can be like even butter FU by with and be like, okay. Just not giant. Just say this. Here's the deal. You can show me out. You just can't touch this. Can't touch his hairy. They're of course, requirements above the volunteers. You must be between the ages of twenty five and forty I love it. It's like rental car with no history of drug or alcohol abuse, you have to have a clean criminal history. And you also need to be willing to drink hard liquor to the point of a neighboring and sign a waiver releasing the police department of any liability this is drunk history. Basically, john. TV maybe over around saying you also need to be willing to throw it down bitches. You got fucking dance party part. If you're not gonna fuck in Dan, we're going to spin records by marshmallow. It's gonna be great though, only hard liquor. Either all day. Give him three. About the police. It's all about efficiency. If you're going to get like if you're going to get like kind of main goals and aggressive like you need to be own whiskey. What happened to but chugging? I mean that was the thing for awhile. Wait you drink through your? We started very first started not from Tampa. Visit it for the votes out of him. Even when we first started our podcast before this county that was in the rage of member we had a story about this college kids in Tennessee. Chugging and one kid got way too drunk, and then one kid held a press conference to let everyone know he wasn't gay member that he's like, I'm not gay just because I. Being in Tennessee. I just like Adrian. Thing where people have done where you dip tampons and vodka and you'll about that. Yes. Chugging? No, it's super dangerous dangerous. Animal, but I'm a very responsible gun a ton of hardcore drugs, but very responsibly. Do research your favorite of the hardcore drugs came talk about it. Yeah. Yo sure. He's always like, it's Alex. So it's just like. I've done asset. Braxton's EMT too. But like I studied for like two months before I did a I mean, I like my favorite is probably went down to the damn team. Sticker. Jesus you gotta cheesy license favorite my favorites. LSD, but it lasts so long that you know, you can only do it like once a year. So that's it's too long of a high for me, mushrooms. Right. Is it mushrooms mushrooms on you? I can just like not even prepared to do. That's what I'm saying. What if they all these? So but you can make it a beer ball. And you put a about the problem is much like what the tampons let's say that like, I don't know twelve ounces of liquor would get you very like point two oh drunk right amount of liquor in your. But will you? Yes is insane. Because it goes straight into your bloodstream, even go like going. 'cause. How far go. Actually in. Starting the tube. And then it just seemed to your system like Fash show. There's no filtering of the drug to disappear. Yes. Jean of it. There's no separation of it. There's no dilution of it. It's like straight into your body. Right. And it's fuck off. So it's like it has like the same fields that kalani it is like a drunken guy. I don't know if I said this part. But lastly, you need to have a sober responsible friend or family member to take you hear of you after the session keys. They gotta go home. So what are they trying to what they're trying to do is is assess drunken behaviour, okay? They need real life subjects for the cost. Trolls run. Yes. The fire department does like a controlled burn where they're like, we're gonna burn this thing down. And this. Trolled this. We're going to both so drunk. I'll read the Facebook post really quickly this. We are last thing from the couldn't cuts, Tom. You're anywhere near town. Make sure that's probably what they're rival high's team Balsam, right? Yeah. Yeah. Here's the details. France, dump people Tony just even let me close clearly go there and do this. Police department is looking for three volunteers to assist in the training officers of standardized tests. The volunteers must be available on April fourth two thousand nineteen between two thirty PM and seven PM. That's a lot of time to get wrong. Letting people know pretty far in advance good. On your calendar alcohol will be provided. However, you will not receive any compensation for your time. And then it lists the eligibility requirements that I've already read. So anyone around there come on? Sleaze you get drunk with you. If you do we'll do a follow up or one Trump. If you do write to us and on the Facebook page, we will read it take pictures. We'll and we'll story three look at that. In and out, we make it happen out the but to the new podcast is say it again. So people know how to subscribe to it. It's two less lonely girls. And we talk about the aluminum body. Justin bieber. I'll magic get on that subscribe to it. And of course, guys fucked. Yes, going the book that I saw which is not which is which is now out in paperback address asterisk asterisk de-stress. Cd K E D. Right. But it is great everything you guys do. Great follow you. And thank you for making time for us in your Elliott schedule. I look senior out your crib Fisher. And oh shit. We going to get back to work. Dumb dumb dumb. Dumb. 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#623 - Bonnie McFarlane

The Church of What's Happening Now

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#623 - Bonnie McFarlane

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And because he'd just gotten back from Ohio, and then I was leaving today this morning for LA so we didn't have much time to spend together. So I went with him to his show and they had a porn star on the shows porn stars in comics. And so they had this porn star on the show. I don't know who star, I dunno seems unlikely, but she'd comedy for the first time. And again, what? What kind of appeal is that? Like? Who like isn't that the last thing you on is? Do you. Your porn star talking like, you know what I mean? Don't you fast forward through that part. You know, you just want to get to the cocking or whatever it is. Don't you drown? Fuck it. I mean who they don't wanna see that you don't want that bringing people into to to this. I gotta go, see this porn star speak. That's like the last thing people want. It is because I got lumped into that for a long time. Like when I first got people have strippers comics, I was telling Lee right on Santa Monica boulevard across from this place that when I first got it, we go over there next to a seven, eleven across from Strasbourg, ater whatever, taking acting thing on fat. Yeah, yeah. Across from that was like a place, fifty, three forty and Thursday. Meta comedy and burlesque, but topless at the would take top off and the chick that hosted it was appoint Stein. It was got off. Four hundred people would show up on Thursday. To listen to watch her. She just because they, she show her boobs at the end when it'd be more comparable to sit at home and just Google it up. She would just be with a fucking bang and dress on and looking like a lady, the rest of the girls who went up with do bro type at the end. They would take their shirts off then have a license to put based on the nipples, and I didn't never saw the magic of that appeal there, but you take the fifty bucks new pay rent the. I mean, listen, they have they have in LA too, or in New York. There's a this friend of mine Karen fee hand as a burlesque show. Where are you going to do stand up and then there's burlesque dancers in between. It's like, great, I go do it. I, I'll do stand up anywhere anytime, but I don't get it. Three or four year level? I was doing comedy. A strip club opened in Denver when the casinos open a strip club opened to compete with shotgun Willie's. The biggest drip clubbing Denver, and they comedy on Monday nights and I would go down just because I read that Lenny Bruce book and he used to do Kylie with strippers, but I'm gonna get more stage going. Nobody wants to say me, right. Well, that situation is the opposite. You know is like you wanna see strippers if they're stripping, but you don't wanna see strippers if they're trying to do stand up. You know what I mean? You don't want to be. I don't listen. I don't wanna see strip is mixed with comedy and no fucking rather go to a comedy club and see strippers and go to a strip club comedians, you know, can you imagine like you or I went out expecting naked girls, it's just it's the same thing as when you go to a restaurant. You don't know there's comedy there, and then people get up and start. If you read to do stand up in a restaurant with it's the worst, it's so humility. Alienating people eating. Then they get mad and they leave and they're like, you know what? I, you know, you always thank the stars. You don't think the stars while it's happening. You just say how fucking rude. But when I started comedy, it was attached to a state night. What do you mean? It was five fifteen ninety five. The state, my comedy. Or prime rib nine or something baked potato prime rib and a little fucking piece of corn and a comedy ticket. Fifteen ninety five. So in the host went up, they will biting any. Serbis eat Nobis stake. It's like, you can't do anything else. You literally can't do anything else, but you. But I also felt bad for the feature act as a feature was going through a two. There will be getting desert right? This place. Quite gave me a shrimp bowl, you know, they give Trimble. Pretty good deal. I think that they gave you a shrimp boat on limited fuck meal shrimp, which is just disgusting. When you think about that getting from some country, who knows? Yeah, they're getting tons of this shrimp and you go in the Johnny bananas dip initial than they let go home stomach ache days. I can't imagine that the waitresses with servers are being quite either during your show. Right? Oh, it was a nightmare. It was just the might Mun looking back at it now. Like it made me the comic who I am today, but then I would go home feeling fucking defeat. It, you know, I still do. These shows I go, you know? 'cause I don't go on the road because I have a kid. So I do, you know, I do every steak and seafood restaurant in the state area. And if I do well at these shows, I go home, I drive home feeling shitty 'cause I've had to do what I've had to do to do well. And then if I don't do well, I drive home feeling shitty. 'cause I, you know, you have an ego about it. It's like there's no winning in some. So I live right in the middle of New Jersey right in the very center of that off day. It's about an hour, you know? So if I'm going in for like nine o'clock show or something, it's fine. You don't leave at seven thirty, but if you have to be somewhere at seven, it's a fucking pain in the ass because at the tunnel gets backed up. Adjust leaving Los Angeles going to jersey, having a fucking kid adopting like nine kids because rich half Puerto Rican, he's got like nineteen fucking kids on the side. You never know. He's got a daughter in college. He's got the other ones driving kids are they're, you know, they're one of them's getting married, the other ones shacked up there. They're, they're adults there. That's amazing. Yeah, I remember when he was like on the struggle and we would talk. Oh yeah, he was. He always talked about as his girls and taking him on stage, and now we're doing the same thing to Raina. She's eleven. She's funny. She's so funny though. She's just, she said, I said to her one day I was watching Louis c. k. on on YouTube and he does a bit where he fucks a stool, and I was like, Jesus is every guy do of stool fucking bit. And then she was, you should do it, but you should ask for consent. Yeah, I don't care. What does she think? You know, it's like I feel like it's like it's like beer. You would drink a beer in front of your kid, but you wouldn't let your kid drink beer. You know, it's like something's adults get to do, and kids don't, you know. And there's also like a like she's sworn before when it's been very funny, like in a joke and it's been in context or it's been at the right time, the right place. It's totally fine. For I o, she used to do the signatures really little where she would. She would. She would go through some curses. Oh my God. It was so funny, but she's never done in trouble at school. I mean, she knows where you know it's. When an wear? Yeah. Yeah. I'm scared of my daughter picking up. I picked it up when I was young and my mother's bar in Spanish and then going to New York. I gotta translated to English and it never ended. And that's why I'm filthy. Reversible what's kids stops starch, cursing. You can't turn that wheel back was she doesn't. You know she, she doesn't Kurt. Like she, you know, her friends. You know she is, you know, I took it over friend's house day in our parents were having a sleepover in her parents said, you know, can you come pick her up at eight thirty tomorrow morning because we have to go to church and you know, I was like, oh, boy, you know, but she just knows when and where she, I know she would horrify people if they really knew. So she said. I'm, I'm cringing. I know she said shit one day, but I don't think it's bad. I honestly don't think it's bad, none. It's gotta start at a certain age and I'm an old school motherfucker. There's no Bouza miles. Yeah, pretty soon. I gotta start going for a ride to smoke dope on quit smoking though. Yeah. And I'm gonna have to do it. I have to do it. They'll now I grew up around parents. She knows I, they should. I do something in that bag. Nobody times I run like like we run in and put things away. We just been on a two hour excursion and I'll run end and I wash my hands at the sink and she'll go, daddy, you're gonna, come draw, may go get everything set up. You know, many times I've gotten till you office. I go into the back. I open up the back door. Thank God. I got that back door. I fill up a pipe and I blow the smoke outside. I have a big backyard, so I stepped outside. I come in. I put the by Bennie Papa piece of government. I wash my hands. I locked the door. Yummy times. I've opened up that back though. She's been there waiting for me the tension. So that means she knows she someone's going on when we want for she smells it. I mean, honestly, you don't smell it because you smoke pile, but people who don't. They smell it on storm. She says, I know for a fact that the first time she said something to my wife, her mother about smelling some done, even in the back. My wife will let me know immediately like it's old. The office and get high Cologne on. And for me, I have to do that. I was introduced to drugs nearly eight where mama the ball fucking regret it now regret all this shit. I did at least let her make decision, but not at fucking I can't have. I wouldn't give a fuck of weed is legal in that. I don't care about none of that shit. I'm telling you this time in the motherfucking place for everything. She's fourteen when she comes to Maine goes, I smelt these guys smoking weed, then it's time to sit the fuck down and explained the situation how many. Show shelter in Bush showed me fucking heroine, coke and pot. Six. What? Because they had gone to the police athletic league and they took me police stations part of the trip in New York City in fingerprint you, they'll let you shoot a twenty two, and they give you like a junior g man badge. So he would tell me, like, you know, you have to report mysterious accident shy that time. I knew my mom did something. I just didn't know what I should earn. A friends did something, and I still remember seeing my mom don't blow out of a limiting foil all Cuban style women's night. When all my answer get together, they would play cards and dominoes ship, and they would do little ball might guide by the time I was seven or eight. I would tell my mom to wipe knows Mike. Oh, my wife. Those like fucking Barras base. So then like when you got older, did it get worse as she stopped doing it shoes, though? She died 's. Wow. So were you embarrassed of it? Oh, no, no. Can come up in the drug report when she died every just a heart attack? No, I mean, was. Doing blow? Yeah. At that time, nobody. She wasn't doing it like people were doing it now, man, it wasn't the way she had under control. She worked in the bomb mother belief you to sell drinks, you gotta drink. You know, my mother believed that if a woman boys behind Bob friend should never be in the ball, you know it, he, he shouldn't see what's really going on break away the the dream. Gotcha. Of a level body. I don't eat the nobody's right. I wonder how one of their spending every night body. Can I go out with you? I can't. Bob. The fly, but you never got boyfriend or husband. You just don't mention, you know what you ring at work. That's how we'll makes bucket money. You show those titties a little bit, but not enough. You know what I'm saying perfectly when you bend over to got to be able to Texas and go to a ball every woman has in cleaning you ever gonna barn Houston. You gotta show those cities. You gotta give me the allusion that I might be able to score with you. That's what's gonna get those dollars flown out of my fucking pocket. You know, when you go to strip club take stripper site and you'll go a little creepy at the end of the night. I'm wants to spend the night with you. Like meet me Denny's Denny's is you don't show up, you know. Oh, yeah. You home though. Always tight me at Denny's reach their forty five minutes day you on a cough, but Cologne on your neck and chicken ever show that was. That was. Yeah. I. They show the chick showed one time and she just ate breakfast. Macron talk. We kinda talk, and then we went on a legal date. Like three days later. And then I told I was a stand up comic and I was in the process of a divorce. This could only happen to me at the time. This could only you know you have a bad luxury like, you know, when the phone rings like that, I can't get no worse. So I'm going through a divorce. We have a child. This chick. Whether to a barber shop where my wife worth and sat my wife's chat without knowing that's how fucking, oh my God as she's like, cut me up my because I'm going out with a comedian this week on. That's, that's the luck I had at that time. Did you say your name? Oh yeah. My wife goes, what's his name? My God. She was got up and left my wife. Hera deal. She's looking. She had ears. She called me back anytime. You're mad at fucking getting the voice because it's cheap. It's not cheating. I'm deceased, but another guy I'm trying to meet another woman my God. That's a crazy story. How crazy is that? That's like a movie at she was passed. My wife. Chick was twenty three banged him big freight Teddy's like the whole. It could only happen to me saying the comedian. We of nice comedians too, and that was one of them. Can you fucking believe that he's probably more hairdressers than comedians? There's fucking where we can comedians in bowl the bullet and even have a comedy scene. It's weird. There was a club called the blue note that was a jazz bar in New York now though in boulder. Right? And that's where Roseanne used to do a majority of her work. Wow. Was that place the Denver comedy works? Did you try to say the? No, she's talking about Roseanne. He's. He's. Who's got the your daughter today? Rich? Yeah, he's got the whole week with with, you know, this is a rare thing. It's an experiment will see what goes. I knew it rain. I said, you gotta, you know, he's, he's got. He's gonna short fuse. So you know, they get into fights. They're like two children. A lot of times, you know where he tells her to do some and then she won't do it. And then he yells at her. And then I got to step in and then she Fultz with him because she knows his little idiosyncrasies and you know, it's, it is what they get there. They love each other, obviously, a father, daughter situation as weird one that especially in the dad is a fucking lunatic. I mean, he's he's got so many weird little fucking things. It's it's, you know, it's like walking through a minefield sometimes, but I just called him before it came here and they're out playing basketball. So they're having fun sixty one still playing basketball. He. He does whatever it is ten thousand steps today or something. Does that sound right? Some crazy amount he's got. He's always like, I got my steps. Got to put my steps in. He's insane because he still thinks that he's gonna somehow. He wants to do stand up with his shirt off. I don't know. He thinks like he's always like, I'm just going to lose ten pounds. I was telling the other day was like, don't you want to just be happy like, wouldn't you rather just be like ads? Good, great. You lifted. I do. I do of dumb shit. You look fucking great. Jesus Christ. Before we started the podcast we're talking about when I first met you, it was at the improv is very casual. Never hung out of nothing. We never really chitchatted. I'd say Hello. Say Hello. I forget we used to hang out with in those days. I'd like to save Doug beds. Bet it was at Crewe what crew was because it doesn't. I'll comedy star guy. The guy would give me spots at the improv from time to time, and I watch you guys. It was a fun crew. Everybody was very nice, but you guys had your own thing. Well, because we would there was there was a group of us. It would work at the improv and then also at the all in the all seen, you know, and we could do both for whatever reason what was the name of the fucking place at the all team Fargo. Largo Largo. Okay. And you guys name? Where was the place where Josh DeNardo is at that started at Largo, Largo. Wait, it might start at embar and then moved over to lower Largo. He was the guy who started Largo, and then you know, obviously they from that he was paying him. He was paying the comics, and that's what happen I was that what happened ago was paying the he was getting names up, sir? Yeah. The lineup at Largo during the week. His night was absurd. It was. It was my. It was the comedy store. The imprompt meets the latte like six of the best comics working every fuck in week you would sit there and know Jesus Christ So year. Any teamed up with Mitch Hedberg. Just be denoted. Taking him on the road and they took him to Toronto at him. Mitch, got in trouble something weird and then suppose he when he got back here, it got the somebody like he was. He had mortgage show in that got the somebody that Lago is giving him like six hundred bucks a week. He's right. He was not paying comedians. He was just pocketing out the mind. Fuck in house Hollywood? Yes, it was the hottest room this for him. He was the first one to sort of like, you know, he curated a room, you know, he would only put in. He was very, you know, specific about the kind of comic he wanted and they brought in a certain kind of audience and then and he and he was kind of a little mean to the audience in in terms of like, if anybody talk, they were kicked out it was he really ran that show. That's why it became the show that it became. But yeah, he, he then they kicked him out of it because the law goes on Fairfax. The east to be? Yeah. What was the place when we first got here, that was the hot hot spot in boys town. What town to Gary don't Santa Monica and laugh Santa, you made a right and you wanna around two blocks, and then you made a left a you walked around fifty feet, and there was a the guy Sam used to book you had to go downstairs. That also became. Spot for agents and managers you walked in there, you gotta deal. One. Yeah. If you if you had a spot that Tuesday, you gotta deal like you walk out of there with a manager agent. Well, there's a thing about LA back in the day. Was that you would you would do these crazy? Some sometimes. Okay. We used to do this show that was at the the basement of the Ramada inn, like what the Vermont. Oh my God, that's that room has been existence. Now, it's a pot hotel l. it is. Yeah, used to be, but three or four years ago, they China into a pothole town. They were doing pot comedy in that. Right? Okay. Pot hotel where you could pot in the hotel room in shed tears. It's gonna greenleaf outside. It's a weird name, but in Vermont, I don't know why we would because I guess it was a Monday night Sunday. Yeah. And. Fucking open mic people just starting out and then you know, like Marc Maron would be there or Dave across with Schober like it was a patent what it was like. An all places were like that. It was like, you know, it'd be because people just wanted to get stage time. It's not like New York where you get booked on, you know, five shows a night, you know. So you just always looking for an open mic. Fine. I'll go and I'll get on and there will be, you know, fucking ten, open mic hers and you know Jimmy Garoppolo and you know these big stars that were there. You know, what was the comic book place? Uncivilized Lee just told me about somebody cosmic vinyl. Is that still there? I just doing comedy there. The vinyl place. I used to be the old seat. The owner knows you listen to podcast that used to be the old scene. Yeah. For a company I left before when Duncan book that I wanted to Nate a bag of big. Oh my God. 'cause it was just so it was like, you know what? What do they call them? They're hipster hits, hipsters, hipsters hipsters. Before they will even know hipsters. Then they used to be a taco place that all area used to have tremendous commodity. What's that fucking Silverlake before silver silver, like one Mexican by overlake was bad ass to a free Margarita when the spot and listen if you're getting a free Margarita. Pretty good. Remember if you will get the free market. That means you'll get into a free moderator because you get the bartender offend, and now you had to. Pentti step because until the. They wouldn't give you a fuck in soda at these places like you were getting, you weren't getting paid and and you had to, you know, put out for anything you wanted at the bar for most of those places. You know, they treated commerce shit shit most days and the and the promoters of making it a little bit of money. And they would break you off like three drink tickets, and that was you. Oh, yeah. Yeah. If you kill the gives you an extra one. Here's an extra one dog. I was so great because they, they would send you your check. They pay you by check, but they would let you run a tab at the bar. So my whole theory was is I'm gonna run up a tab at the bar so they have to keep booking us. 'cause then they just take it out of your check. You know, I never ever got a check. 'cause that's brilliant. Yeah. People drinks. And then, yeah, that at some point they stop letting you run up a tab, you know, but that those were the good days because in the improv man, we used to get so fucked up there. That was part of the started. Yeah, they had that big bar there was so I don't know. I don't think they have that. People be then then that's bud used to on an eight armed men be huge stars to remember going in there. One time in Ellen Degeneres was in there with an hey, sh when they were dating. And she was talking to me and, and so I was talking to an Haitian and and Ellen Degeneres and Bill Maher walk Dan, and he sees the three of us in the corner, and he goes, Hello lesbians. I was like, I might add something that's Bill moy- saying a lot. Yeah, that's why I met him the first time they put me on his show to do a sketch, and he was always like out. Runs Zimmerman, I think would drag them in there all the time. He's friends with weird people. Yes, good friends with the kitten play. OAS. Yeah, we kid one that we have on the podcast best friends. He does the music for the show. Oh, I didn't know that. What's the end of the idea kid? The theme of something for it. He has now, do you still remember this Bill more story when I first got here, I got him because Doug staying on the exam did Seattle, and they told me, come down. You really do great in about three weeks later how I got hit and I'm a mud. He said something to me goes, we'll try to get you spots at the improv. But right now I'm not doing too good. Let me see nails again. They're beautiful. Yeah, he goes podcast more off. Don't get terms at the improv right now for a few days. I'll tell you when I'll get you in when I first got it. So I said, what you do upcoming them. But Bill Maher had a party and I fought some girl in his bed. So Bomar call the improv complainant. Doug stanhope. Personally, apologize. Fucking child marking go, suck addict. I mean, like if you're that pissed about it, say something to stand up, don't try to take work away from the guy. That's a fucking shitty move. It was a different time than he was a different person. You know, you walk into your bedroom, somebody's fucking Doggystyle wasn't his girlfriend. You got kids. I think something. I think it was the girl. He wanted the fuck often crazy. He's really going to bring him down. I opened for Bill markup times in one time I was in the green room and you could hear the guy onstage the MCI or whatever, you know. And I laughed at the guy and he told me I had to go to the green room. I was going to laugh. Doing for twenty three years a long time. You started in Canada, you up there for how long on. I didn't do stand up in Canada, very long couple of years. And then I, I'm a move to New York. I is spongy story about I called see in Canada. When you were starting out. We're talking about yet cakes before the. We started the podcast, but they wouldn't promote you as a comedian. They would only promote comedy see, could never get out from under the Yuk yuks hold, you know. 'cause you could never, you know, go sell tickets on your own. Yeah, to use the name and people complained about all the time and I was like, fuck this shit. I'm gonna. You know, I'm going to the states and they had Caroline's comedy hour was you know, one of the big shows back then in I called Caroline's the club. I just looked got the number and call the club, and I said, who books the TV show knowing there's to know what I was talking about. So they put me through the manager. I think Joe fells. Iran or something like that. And I'm talking to the guy and I said, I wanna do your TV show and it turned out. He really was the guy who booked the TV show, and he said, okay, you know, he asked me some questions about myself. He was kinda, you know, mused I guess by what the fuck is this girl. And then he asked me for it was cute and I was you. You so. And he said, okay, I have some workmen in my office. Fixing the ceiling. I'm gonna put you on speaker, and if you can make them laugh a give you the show. So we put me in speaker the have my notebook open and I ran through some jokes and I heard the workers laugh in. I did a little crowd work. He gave me the show from from doing that. So then I came to New York and did Caroline's comedy hour use this so that those last year that that that show was happening. So I don't know what what year that was, but mid to late nineties, probably like ninety six ninety six or ninety seven. Maybe something like that. And yeah, this I bombed really bad to where tape at Caroline's. Yeah, I got my managers through that and everything. And then I had to go back for a little bit to Canada. And you know, just a couple of weeks later, I was back in New York for good, and I was like, I got a an apartment in in Harlem fully furnished apartment for five hundred bucks a month. The rats, no rat. It was a really nice apartment. But yeah, the woman who lived there just died in the people were looking for someone to just sort of stay in the stay in the place until they could. You know, sell it or whatever. It's like a, I got lucked out. Yeah, the no one would come visit me back then. Season potentially. What street was that? One twenty fifth and Broadway. That's a fucking phenomenal neighborhood. Is this? So that was like ninety seven, I guess ninety five was the last season on the show. Okay. So ninety five ninety six then I was in in and then I only stayed a year in and then came to LA so twenty fifth street. There was a couple of days on the block so refund. Oh, I didn't know that the window. I mean I cruised around on the twenty fifth to the to the Kentucky for what? What is Popeye's? There was a Popeye's there right? By train station down the block from the theater. Yeah, Apollo, right. Yeah, we get that was my weed neighborhood, but I'll tell you aimlessly walk the other direction. That's I didn't know that you lived in Harlem, and then you came out here and I came out to LA and I had a deal ready by them. I got a developmental right away. The one we on this. I never did it. I never was on this l. that was his wrote on this and now is some shit now. Now never did nothing. Nothing I, I told you before that people would say right where you want, but they just, I never did. I never. It's so crazy when you go out there and people tell fake credits ship after them. I saw people actually get stumped like a c comics, get stumped. Humane comic we go. Let's say LA comic would be triple run and he would be an extra on Star Trek. The next generation? Yeah, the MC would say, come to the stage. You've seen him inside track the next generation of that door when he gave up stage, people come up to go. You know what? I'm out Star Trek nerd when episode. Episode three thirty eight. Are you the guy. A guy that won't pass guy because how my God did you get the talk? It was crazy. It would just be. I know shitty showed a lie about because those people really do know. But any of those shows always always something the audience who geeks out on you. Do you know it's like Seinfeld was on Seinfeld was on if you episode of Seinfeld that weekend, you sold out. Wow, that's it. You sold tickets because they want like when he played the umbrella man, number dumb arose on their few time. Few times famous famous coming to Kentucky, the umbrella man Seinfeld you buying tickets, right? It's so different. Now you do you do. I mean, you can do ten episodes of showing nobody knows who the fuck you. It's so creek. Okay. Like I, I don't watch the Walking Dead. I've never seen it. So if one of those guys walked in here, I wouldn't. I would just treat him like a normal dude. I wouldn't know who it is and for somebody else that's the most famous person in the world says fame is really, it's like person to person. Now, you know, it's, it's whatever show you fucking watch. I don't watch loud TV so I don't. I don't talk in. No, right. I'm a common man. If you watch TV it's kind of like now you're you're more accessible to watch TV because you can watch Netflix Hulu when I first got into comedy in the early nineties, I stopped. TV had become something that I never watched. I have one in my apartment, but I watched like the news at five. I gotta know what TV shows on. I didn't watch TV till I came out here. I got called in NYPD blue and I said, let me I should fuck it. Watch it before I still dishing for this shit and I watched it. And that's that. That was the first time at watch TV my eight years. I, you know, I didn't watch TV at all. I didn't even have a TV until rich rich came to my apartment in LA any balmy a TV. That was the first too. I mean, I, you know, obviously been other people's houses that watch TV a little, you know. But when I came to l. a. and I started having meetings with these executives and they'd say, what TV show do you like? And I'd say Murphy Brown or some. I don't know. I didn't know what to say. I just I've never, you know, I would say this weird things that I'd heard. Just. I don't even think friends was on yet. You know or anything friends come on? I ninety seven, maybe good friends. You became a star. I should tell how she asks. Right. So there was certain shows that you did those shows that weekend before? Yeah, that weekend hot that we can friends. Yeah, that weekend. You hot in the piss. That doesn't happen anymore. Yeah. But you, you don't like whites told you before the show? I'll never forget. It used to be a girl, like a group of common girls that used to go to the impromptu hung out with a guy with a van that smoked pot in the parking lot behind the improv. We would go to parking lot and I'll never forget that one night. We were out there smoking pot and that was a night. I have a conversation me like a semi conversation about. 'cause you will with Sussman something. Yeah, that's the manager that I got. When I would suspect at the time you got rid of him something. Yes. To pay him for years after I left him. Then you had con- like actual fucking written contracts and he wouldn't let me out of the contracts. I pay him fifteen percent or whatever for years. Play. He doesn't play at all. Yeah. Rogan's managers Rogan's manager, Kevin, James, what we were talking about something fuck. I would just thinking about, that's how I got the. No, yeah. A little bit. You tell me about something you don't want, and then I just see was that somebody that would just go hand smoke path? I'm sure I would go out there and get high. Guy would event. Backdoors and we'd sit there and smoke with a guy. And one of the girls believed that that was hanging out in those days was the girl that ended up on Chelsea lately that she travels. Now, she was on the podcast talking about eating cheese, has a McDonald was out in those days. That was ninety eight adding with a long fucking legs. And we start at the improv and go to law, go always a fun girl. Always a fun girl that we go to fuck that Chinese restaurant, the legendary one on that street is today the fucking street right off of LA brea on. I think it's about Rosa, Santa Monica, two well-known Chinese place where everybody used to drink in the fifty, Steve McQueen. They just redid it. I forget now who the fuck knows. I've been in that one night and we weren't doing comedy. We just like. How is broke living in a car that you were and how was having more fun. Than like, yeah, I was living like front of ralphie's house only some nights ralphie. Let me in. Some nights you'd be sleeping ready? What do you live to that place where the most massive stairs he solidif- place where it was like the highest steepest stairs to get up to be like y round. Still broke. This is he was on. We were like, yeah, this is what he was in Doug Stanhope, Doug Stanhope, a friend at red, Andy, I interest and rented that apartment and he went to Alaska girl. So Doug Stanhope took it over and ralphie needed a place to stay trust me. There was no stance that ralphie broke the toilet eight time. Are you Jerry toilet like Hollywood, you know it was like a condo for like Hollywood, bad, fifties, and ralphie's dropping six pounds, cracking the toilets. We're going to get guns and the car was rubbing. He was so heavy that the car was like leaning down, like, you know, and it was like she was before room. Yeah. Any here going any 'cause I don't know what that is, and I was like, I don't. It is the pop to fucking springs that car. Let me tell you some Toyota. If you know where that car is by it and put it in your fucking showrooms, like if you go to this place in Denver, and when you walk in the showroom. They had a call with five million miles or three million Mt. Something crazy got around to Europe twice and it still ran, they would prove. So they wanted all those cars, here's ralphie's. Yes. So ralphie I think ralphie's nephew still has the foam Landgraf. He gave it to me one last comic standing. They fixed it up because it was right before that every member him talking about that he'd done a pilot for the the last comic standing. And then I was like, it was before reality shows. He was trying to explain it to me. We all live in a house. I was like, sounds awful. You know, it's like it's going to be a great show. I'm gonna do the show. That's funny j. more creative at the time. Yeah, that's how hot e was after we got in Jalen j. Moore was at the top of his fucking game for a while there. He was like on every show and and you couldn't miss it. The game, the first he played the agent. Right? And then they gave a show on FOX eight. That's why right? Right. Around became tight. And then he would ralphie with open for him on the road in that process, hem, Jay Moore had a black friend. That was really funny, but didn't do know he was a black do. That was funny and he would bound shit off people like he would like Jay would keep them around to bounce stuff. I forget what his name is. It was him in Jay that created ralphie with that extending I went to, I did. I opened one time in Vegas for Jeff Ross and ralphie was the MC. That's how long ago. And Jeff would say ralphie every night. You gotta do all your time before, Bonnie because he couldn't follow it. Even Ravi. Did five minutes after me, Jeff would have a hard time with it because he's a fucking funny who's forty. So he would do all his time before me, and then I'd have to go out there and eat it for a half hour. And then Jessica and every night we go back to Jeff's room or ralphie's remember, but you know, smoke pot and Jeff would say, hey, what about this in Ralph? It was just so good at telling him you put in your punchline before your set up, or you know, do that joke before you do that joker, here's a line, you know, just smoke, not caring about it. He wasn't like really thinking and Jeff was making notes and writing it down, and he was just good at doing that. And you know what he gonna last comic standing. He was already a headline. Yeah, that's yeah, that's why it was impossible for that fan. The win and people knew it felt weird about it, but I'm be had to go some. I don't know. I don't know what went down, but ralphie I'm doing the same with him at his house at two in the morning while he was cooking. He was the guy that told me that I had to stop playing for the back of the room. He told me, right, right, right. You know, people think that people like me like, like if I say something to leave, though, hit me with a tweet value shouldn't talk that went on, forget like the be vice. I got was all bat, like anybody who ever said something to me about my set wasn't pleasant. He was trying to help me that pleasant. Right. But that's, you know, we were the business that we're in is that there's no school or anything. How you learn is other comedians. So if the comedians that are ahead of you, don't tell you, then you know this, like there's things that you can't fuck ino- until somebody tells you about it, you know. And now everyone's so nice. It's like acting class all the time. You're great. You're great. Know. People aren't getting better. And somebody said some. We might cry because he was cooking. As he said to me, he was cooking. He was six hundred pounds, seven hundred pounds. He barely fit in the kitchen. In those days, he would have to like three sixty like a robot. The kitchen turn around and drink all his arms juice. Go crazy CoCo really. You left me swallow juice. He said to me one night that was high on coke and I fought in didn't even sleep on this floor. I just wanted my car and cried. That's how hard you hit me one night and I never held it against him because he turned me into a comic. Why did he say. He said that had blown up the room. He goes, you blew up that fact and room tonight guy. Got is funny motherfucker. And he said something he was, we were still broke. I mean, everybody would bro. I was living off 'em. He was living off his mom, somebody sending him checks. He was opening up Jay more like he was headlines. That he's restoring whatever the fuck he was cooking and he goes. You only. You're not going to get. I don't even know high set it set the stop playing to the back of the room. He goes, you're not gonna. You're gonna starve until you learn how to play the front room. Cocoa you keep playing to the back of when those people don't pay in the back. That comics and I remember looking at him like, what the fuck are you talking about playing to the back of the room? What I am not McGinn in the car and pop the car seat back and going. He's right. Tough lesson learned except when I go back there, I'm worried about with the comics, a making fun for the convicts that all the comments we get in the back before the comets, and he goes, you never see a successful comics comic. He goes, you'll never see a successful comics comic. I feel give to do a little of both. You know you don't wanna be just the guy that's selling it to you. Wanna like it's like a Doug STAN over some. He's doing a little bit of both. These still trying to make the comics laugh. You know, that was a tough lesson the twelve year Marcus, like in two thousand. But it's true. It's like you spent. You see, all these comics making that mistake kept doing it can do would fuck destroy the countless in the back of the people in the front will look at me like you're not funny, you know, like the rebound this shit, my it was just weird. Yeah, the audience would because all the congress will come in the back. They improv Andy killer. Go on all accounts of laughing, and and this was what the audience was doing. They just kept Turner looking like what these people laughing at, like we don't get what is going on at. We be like losing shit back that that was some advice he game me. He told me throw a joke out once. Which you know those jokes that you gotta emotionally attached to. He was like, I know you think it's funny, but it's fucking horrible. Something crazy that was like she's Christ and you know, I never wanted to punch him. Call him fat, vital. You know, like I get it because he's a head of the listen to that and your life. I'm nice sale the time where like, you know, the the, the quickest way to get unfunny is to get fans, you know? I mean, like once you start playing to people that Ardi like you, it's like it's so easy to fall into that trap. That's why comedians they get really big. A lot of times have a hard time staying sharp 'cause they never have to like work through that. You know, Ma-maybe Shia. Mushir you got, you got to any fans are fucking started playing to the fans and started fucking with me. Then in what was fucking with me. And even when I shot the meth wakes, it was fuck with me. Then after Netflix on the plane ride, it hit me like a punch to the fucking mouth and nose. And I was like fucking around for the last three years. I'm going back to Saint shit. I wanna say, fuck. Yeah, I don't give a fuck about the consequences. I'm fifty. Five thing is that it's always a little bit of this a little bit of what they're gonna say. You're not gonna like you gonna laugh if you yourself, appreciate that more than anything else. I've seen guys that do a movie that have no comedic talent at all, and they go on stage bomb for forty minutes, but they tell shit about themselves and the people happy. Right. As long as you yourself, right. All they wanna say, right. That's what the anticipate. Some gay woman, some authenticity that's that's better than up there. And plan to them. You want to every time I watch a clean comic. I go, wow, I wish I work late and that sets me back two thousand five years. I know. But when it's hard, not it's hard. When you watch a good comic, you think, well, I should be doing that show John Malania bucking special medics, go y, what? What am I stupid? I got start right. Might that also you go into this writers trapped if it's like this? Well, you are right? So I went through that. I went through that for about two years. The last two years, and I said, fuck it. No more settlers. I'm going back to comedy store, comedy. I'm going off the flow energy. I'm starting at wherever it takes me. That's where it takes me. And if they get offended, they shouldn't have been out of fucking Thursday night. Right. I feel better now I feel liberated. You know what I was telling you. I go out every other week. I feel very liberating. Now back to back again, give you that hundred percent from cheating. If if you see me come into weeks in a row, I'm cheating right? Taking money out of your mouth. Right. I'm tired. Got, you know, well. Doing fucking our well, you do in two hours a night. Basically doing two shows, you know, I, I was at in Philly, doing the, what's it? What's that Cup call helium and I had my dog and my kid with me and I was fucking sauce debt by the end of it. I mean, I was just like, I can't. This is really hard to go out that Saturday last show doing that last hour just like are like five show. Five shows the new three show combination. I'm doing one show on Friday getting the train, though, somewhere else. And do two shows you're sitting? Yeah, I liked that combination. I really enjoy the tastic in the one show a night. Yeah, that sill to fucking. Goes to the house. And so the first one is always scratch you taking the bullet, but at least I'm gonna fucking theater now and you know, I'm trying Bonnie. I mean, you still you're working, you taking care yourself, you beautiful, got the daughter, but once the me was thrown the kitten to the mix, that's what really got to me that I didn't wanna be a comic that died. Then they had learned about why why suddenly. I already got. I already was involved in a marriage that I don't see my kid. I have no communication with my kids. She's been seventeen sixteen me and the wife just didn't didn't click. And you know, I think about it what this one I go. What I wanna trust in may with a kid twenty five years ago. No wonder, I wouldn't trust me. I was nuts when I was that kid, the kid was five, and that's when I moved away when she was five. And then we just broke it. Just it just something that bro. It's like I gave up a life to get a life as median, it's it was hard for few years. I accepted. I reached out thousand times. It's a different world and live with that now. So I didn't want to stab him with her now. So now our over extend myself with her. 'cause I see it's too little things back. Then it was. I thought it was based on money and doing show your kid. You kid just wants to land anyway, wants your attention. That's. They want to see you light up when you when they walk in the room. That's it. My whole fucking wall is an iphone x. and that is it. Giver for my wife. Let's play whatever phone. Yeah, she text me at night text me from her bed hearts and pictures shit. Yeah, but that level now where I'm I'm only I'm only for Sunday. Dennis? Yeah, there's a rule in my house. We gotta be Sunday Denning in eat like a family, and then I watch my sixty minutes. Well, I feel I think there's a thing where people, you know, it's all about making a big, but really, I honestly think the sweet spot is making medium because when you, if you're if you're going to be a star people realize the amount of fucking effort, it takes to make it to that level and to maintain it. At that level, you've got to be working and thinking about it all the time. And so if you wanna have a life where you know like. Kid and you have family and you have these like, you know, actual real relationships in and you know you, you really there should be more. Everyone always says in this country dream big dream big. It should be like, you know. Try to pay your mortgage and then spent some time in your family. That's, I don't know. I mean, it sounds cheesy, but it's no, it's not cheesy. It's really a limb explains, gee, I love then. Nobody knows what? Fuck I, I love it. I love it. The people hate to break it to him. I don't know if you know how many Twitter followers you have no people in over the fuck I am. They've apples Twitter followers of coming on. They moved onto other shit like that. But it's so weird. How. I couldn't imagine doing a Louis CK or Kevin Hart. That's not the me, right. I even feel uncomfortable like the wilda theater is as big as I like it. That's anything after that it's to echo we, I feel the people uncomfortable, I, it was up to me I'm I would just do two hundred seat room. Right? Of course. It fucking. Yeah, but you two hundred fifty eight when I can't imagine doing twenty thousand what is. I mean I guess I don't. So I get it. I get it like they say, if you do the garden anyway, you know, make no money. Don't make no money at the head of the night. When you add up the tickets in the money, the union takes half of its New York City baby. You're, they want, you know, fifty. Just if you walked in there, then security them, it's advertising. Oh, yes, I guess. So when the people do the garden, like they don't do it, do it for the to say I guard. Yeah, but it's it's one of those things where you know you need to do like nineteen fucking show. Like when I was going to New York county festival, he made me an offer. There was no money, right? I couldn't believe it like there was no money like they were like twenty five thousand for advertising. What are you talking about? We have MAs. Yeah. When you send the signals to get it Puerto Rican little flags, right, right, right. Chit, they seventies when he was stuck island boat. I don't give a fuck twenty five grand, you know. So you think of all the flag. Leg guys, they would stand up and give each other signals. Do all that shit went to the garbage man. I want to know what happened. The Morse code. I was tremendous cope. I was washing. The fuck is in Australia that take. I do more code when I was a kid. That is. Zain that the talk to people who you gotta know they would pick back. I don't know. I didn't know what the fuck was going on case you're kidnapping. Titanic. Is Moore's code thing in your house? You said, fuck and signals to people. People are you. You that fucking all that I knew how to send more signals when you were in the seventies thought you had to do that. Shouldn't grammar school? I think really? Yeah. That that that that you live at new, the flags in case your boat, broke them. You send signals how to do SOS. I can't even imagine you wanna boat. Yeah. Yeah. You gonna win on shit as a kid, New York City, but I was fucking king Amores code. I could send out fucking he still now at, you think, oh, I forgot all shit. Nice. Little pig Latin to when I was a kid. Seek my mother taught me how to teach. He thought she'd go all shit. Lee isn't. It used l. y. the end firm conducting Cray why nobody was spent. It's wise. So you're doing you're doing. Do. Dodgy toll some fucking shit. I was all confused as a kid, send them more signals, the paper Morris, fucking coat that was how bad the Boehner was tick, tick, tick. There was like a whole little chart and you dislike with people sitting the most, they could trace your calls. You know, there was no call waiting. There was no nothing. This is straight up. People. Walkie talkies where we'd sometimes get somebody on there. Oh, you remember the Pittsburgh? Funny Boone, yeah, the guy was a fucking pervert. Yeah, he was creepy. He had lawn furniture for fuck in the. He had sued the funny bone in broke away from them, so he could do whatever the fuck you one. So the poll Baugh was pictures of naked women, you know artistically taken by him, but you could tell this motherfucker was Harvey junior because he had a couple of the head bushes, shit. But this guy only winter rich yelling, what they're rich. Okay. He had a room so like Thursday, he was too cheap, the pay the radio, but one guy light them and they put your AM sports and then Friday you went to his house and you, you gotta see now dog he had something like ham, radio. This is nineteen. Ninety five on the longest yard came out. I probably went from ninety five ninety eight on a CB radio. He would sit in my told him. I said, what time we first podcast he had the bucket truckers. Something only three or four people listen to it. I'm telling you the truth of his basement and we would sit there and it was with come on AM and nobody would listen to it because I asked him like any movement in the people. I know it's terrible. He's terribly does. No, he's doing what he amendment will. When the last time I went, they we got into a fight over that podcast because I said, listen, we gotta go eat and he's like, I told you, I don't give what you talking about the phones off. I said, throw me on. I don't give a fuck. Get me the fuck out him forty years old. A CB ham, radio to fuck. And there wasn't even a podcast and it was ninety six guys ninety seven ninety eight to fuck Atty and that was it after that. He never booked me again. And then I heard he sold the club. He has laid at something. Yeah, yes. Only radio station downstairs his ass. He would talk to you about the funny bone is pictures shit. He was a creepy fucking dude, man. I just wanna know what you said to poor people in Morse code. You probably imagine them. Fuck though they would get signals from me and panic. This is racial business. He's the fucking people every I was looking at my door. I'm going to my daughter last night. She's five and a half Chevy cheese. The cutest thing I was digging them out when I was doing five. I lived on eighty eighth street and my mother would give you remember yourself at five and a half. This could only be five and a half or six. Because that was still crazy was it was before I got hit with the lunchbox. I got hit in the head with the lunchbox central park, but we lived on eighty eighth street and my mother had a jukebox at the bar. So she would give me all the old records that they would take on the ball. And I knew was still to this day. People sent me pictures to five west eighty eighth street. It's the corn ability. But next it was a parking garage and we would play stickball on there and you know, handball. And there was a sign that said fallout shelter and we use it as a basketball thing. Hope you know, this is like really follow show. Yeah. The eighty in the seventies when I got him from Cuba everybody had a fallout shelter because you know the Russians, right, right. But vela's. So every building have a sign in front of it that said, fallout shelter and have like a radioactive sign and that men in case of something. You basement lock yourself in and they had like Tang and vegetables and the canned they're ready. Here and you come out with the populaces over my? Yes, they have fallout shelters and under forget that there was a garage. The kids play stickball, but the way my building was shaped, it was like it went up three stories on the third floor where I lived. Now, I could see my neighbors that w side hallway. We could see that yard where they were play. I could see them in the hear them, but they couldn't see me. So they'd be playing stickball and I'd take those fuck forty, five. So single. Whip out the window. And by the time they got the fucking bottom level, don't like a boomerang. Decapitates. Odd job from double seven didn't take. I was like. It run. I would just throw out singles out of the kids, yell, fuck is doing that. And that would do then go downstairs and ask what happened. Guest, all the KOMO Chaba some fucking somebody, strong singles. Yeah, this is crazy. Oh my God. That was such a my ship, my pants and time. Six and I would not white my ass. So my mom would take on though as staple to the front of my door. So I would bring my friends. Oh my God. I had a white my ass 'cause I would wipe my ass and she said, how do you know why your ass? I don't know. I forget some tough love there that you go k next time you fucking come up with a dirty underwear hanging on the wall. I thought she was fucking around on the top of the wall. A mom wanted stay there for a week or every time I shit my pants. He would stay up against the wall like a trophy for me to look at. How did you learn to wipe your ass. Not that I can't imagine mercy, doings mercy, a little like a little kid. Can't imagine throwing. Did you ever get caught throwing the writer Deva figure that until I, when I moved out of there till Dan moved out of the way I have like forty singles, and I would just do wait till it was a ton of kids out there on the Saturday playing like you start whipping them out. Covering out like flying and you hear the guys, fuck you die. Then also in that hallway, we life is I was like, oh. Not a pervert. IRO mania was. Listeners, if your parents or anyone lived in that area there that time someone has told the story about the records. ADA street the for like my father died when I was three, Bonnie how is lost. My mom was a single mom trying to do the best. She could. You know, she owned the ball. She made good money, but those years I put row, I look at my daughter and gonna pay for all those sins. Since I did to my mom those years, fucking cruel, like the shit. You can only really come to terms of this shit when you have a kid right? Then you start thinking about your mom. Do I really do? I look at it last night. I remember thrown singles out the back fucking window. I go downstairs and people be cut ahead, be cut on fire. I would set newspapers on fire anything, get set on fire in those days. I love fire to as a kid. I loved five and I would set five everyday like anything that's light on fire around the corner, either lighter I figured out how to get a lighter and I would lie to find like the kids that I hung out with on a hundred lane. Later lane around, I stole stole. Yeah. So one day it was in behind that building the building next to it. If you went around the back, there was stand down to the basement and we would go back there and do shit. One Nagwa start a file being two other kids, three other kids, and we put once a newspaper back, then we let this fire those days. I would like to fire intern MP on it like I was back wile and turned the fire off. And this one, this fire and this hallway like it was just a single person to walk down the stairs. And it was outside. It wasn't inside the building before fucking new at the fi- just blew up and I might have piss about a an all my buddies are out of pets. What are we gonna get the fuck outta forget running upstairs and locking myself in the dog. Watching the fire department, go back there and turn off the fucking fly like crazy. Turn off the fire turnout. Aiming sound so easy. It was just a little file got her. Stay away. They just. United. We put like a tree every day. We got a little cocky uses. Yeah, was a little how your entire plan which just appear on it. That too. But I was just a little pyro. I loved it. What are you? Got your daughter? We got time here. I, I make sure I got that. 'cause rich, really, you know, he's me before coming in to talk about the roast. He's he said, if you don't talk about the rose, I'm gonna kill you. The roast somebody, light worries, Rick. Vostro dot com. It's fucking hilarious. So for his sixtieth birthday, we we did that roasts of him with all his, you know, his friends, Jim Norton, yes, tremendous and whatever. I don't know. He wants. I don't know what to say about. It was good. It was really. We tweeted from my water wanted. I think it was five dollars, four dollars three. Yeah, it's video. It's five bucks to rent it, but you might as well buy for ten because you're gonna wind wind, your watch it. My wife is a big ridge of fan. She's an American Indian, right? So one night me and my wife will have regular conversation with Dayton, living room. It was no kidding future. I think I was still doing blow and I'm ready to go out and rich vases on some, you know, Colin Quinn show that show tough crowd. He's talking shit by something he goes. I did when I was a kid teach you tell me to go. Lay down Indian style, so I would go away the gutter with a bottle of, yeah, yeah, yeah. Get a bottle of compensation with somebody and you both something like we both have they wanna lab because she's American Indian what we both bus to that and then riches like my wife's favour. Fucking crazy. See that goes against everything. We've been taught recently. My wife found love with rich after joke. And then Rogan told me a couple of things about Caroline that said when night, like a longtime ago that today rich got thrown prison. If you want to. Enrich and rich went up the road knows watch this. Those things like broken Richmond, throwing the watch this. Isn't it funny that fuck in. Sure you say Schick was to chick. I forgot who I forget the joke. I'm just going to kill it. So forget about, well, he's I know, like, you know, actually for the roast, we went and interviewed richest friends, and you know, 'cause everybody hated rich when they first met him as we made this little video. You know them saying the first time they met rich and you know, it's like there's so many black comics that were like I saw him on stage. I said, who's is fucking white guy because he used to do all black rooms. You know, that's that's where he started up and he would go after this little fucking Jew and and and they said it watching for few minutes and then they'd go all this guy's got fucking balls. Then they'd like, after that, you know. I think that's his appeal is that he just I even see it now at these, you know, politically correct audiences is that rich goes up and then they try to bully you, you know, into to to to not saying or doing what they think you shouldn't say you're do, and that noise doesn't bother it. He doesn't carry, doesn't hear it or he doesn't notice it, and he just does what he wants to do. And at some point, the is just goes man. Oh, well, he's not gonna Jay Richardson type of time with the return on them. Richard step on the pedal along. Yeah, yeah. Old school type. Oh, you didn't like that Joe? Yeah. Well, I got another one to really get your pants on fire, and if you cut wife, don't like that joke. Wait thought the joke after that one. Yeah, she's gonna shit fucking pants. You might as well leave right now. Once you have that type of, he's been doing it thirty years to funding his bones thirty. Yeah. Do any room spent torture, take him to different emotions. That's what you do at that level. At that level, you take him, you control them like a puppeteer. You wouldn't really control it to push him a little bit. Listen to all my audiences like you just set him up link. Correct. I don't give a fuck about right. So you'll come. They'll come around because they're like, well, I guess that's, I guess, ABC bitch. Yeah, you know what? You got stuck on the wrong channel like stuck on Telemundo and you can't. Telemundo you can't find the remote. You'll know what the fuck. Why will this lady stop speaking Spanish on my TV. Yeah, that's me. I don't give a fuck. I'm not gonna stop. You know whether it's the comedy store, you know, I'm doing the laugh factory with Dom tomorrow. You stumbling natoma night. You're tourist. You know you like, oh my God. This is where been they cook shirt these yet. I don't. Variety of the I have to stay at home if you want it to be saved. You know what? The fuck. I was doing thirty six years ago. It wasn't put my hand the women's mounts. It was fucking gonna. Gay clubs, get drugs. It was robbed. Drug dealers. There was not a fucking day apiece, right? I quit high school in eighty one. I quit high school not told a baby one. That was that started a tweet thing. Then the with me Robyn clicking Joey store going to Sarasota Florida. This is just yes, that's what I was doing. Nineteen ever went to jail. I went to jail ninety seven eighty eight arrested. Secondly, Burghley, but it was kidnapping aggravated robbery. Yet I went deep like rich us. Go deep on those drugs. Then you, you know, you wake up one day and whatever, but time will you can't come to me now and say that I rob you with a fuck him. I robbed Georgia MacOS gas station with a water pistol in nineteen eighty one with a water pistol with a wide put. I I paint a water pistol. I took a water pistol. Just put tape around tape. You make it look, shiny known. You drill out the whole. The whole Bill because a lot of times we show up but the gun with low. The fucking. I will you tell for Bonnie. I leave Friday more spots. Are you? I'm doing some spots of the store doing a couple at the improv, and then I'm doing just a bunch of meetings and stuff and promoting you still got dot com. Boss and my wife as me podcast, my wife as me, yeah, we still do that. We've you put will not. We do too. We do want for patriot and when regular Gocha. No, and doing podcasts, you're great on them. I don't mind doing them. I sometimes I think like when rich and I do it soon as I get embarrassed like it feel like we're putting all our shit out there. He loves it. He doesn't care. He's got no boundaries, you know, and sometimes the jury in a fine. Then after sometimes I lay on my bed and go, what did we talk about? Like we'll have full blown fucking marital fights on that podcast was all about. That's people want to. That's why people tune in. Cool. Wants to talk about the couple that takes kid to the pool, then life is happy. Right? That's fucking television. That doesn't get people going through that right now. So when you guys are actually going through that people listen to you thought, I thought my marriage was banned. I think we do. Right me all the time and say, like, I hugged my wife today. We make people feel better about their marriage. But you know, we've been, we've been married thirteen years and you know it's Sunday. See people get divorced. They say, what the fuck has that happen? The we're still together, but you know what it is. He just still really fucking makes me laugh at guy even in the middle of a fight. Sometimes we'll both just bust out laughing. He's now then we'll get right back to the fight. You know, we don't. We don't let go of it, but you look happy, Hewlett. Great man. He's a good guy. Yeah, guy. God bless him. I'm fifty five and I'm like, I really want to be at sixty one. God bless him. I call him a few weeks quit. No, he was somewhere it just as I call them e just got to Kentucky. He was pissed. Yeah, he was passing. I made him laugh and I said, good. Yeah, Kentucky. What's going on? I it's a great club. That's a great club. Comedy on Broadway. That's a tremendous little club. They got ducks outside. What are you. Ducks pissed off about you got the world by the balls bane onstage you like New York living in New York. You miss LA at all. You have. Sometimes, but no, I have no regrets. I, you know, there was a, you know, I just done an HBO special, and then I moved to the middle of New Jersey and had a baby. And sometimes I feel like that was probably not the best career move, but then I came around to like, I have all this, you know? I mean, I really do have a nice life. I've, you know, when you stop comparing yourself to others, I know sounds so fucking cheesy, but it really do such realize like, oh my God, I got all this free time during the day too. Right. And you know, I did all this stuff one day. I was like, went to the dry cleaners, and I was doing Aaron after Aaron. I told rich all the things I did. I said, I just stopped and I was like, oh my God. People do that and have a fulltime job. It's like it's like, really, you know, doesn't stop. Either remind doesn't stop today. I had a great night's sleep west. Oh my God. I didn't move for eight. Nice. Those. Those are rare. I took a nap in the afternoon. I fo- sleep on the plane on the way back from Boston. Last night was just broken and I got up to smaller and with Fatima, my eye. All right. Seven wasn't a bad nominal mood, but I was fucking ready to go. Yeah, yeah, stop. I went from one move to the next the next. The next acupuncture I knew you're gonna call me as soon as I laid that goes. You wanna get that thing. I know what you're doing. Thirty ended. I go because I was going in that after I fly usually go to acupuncture Monday and it works yet. He cleans me the fuck out even told me, oh yeah, you can tell you because he does the computer. You hold the to the to magneto the first, and then he goes through your body and he could tell me what's going on. He said you got the problem digestive. Yeah. 'cause I travel swears by I gotta try. This is probably thirteen years I'm on it mile my ankles when I first started going my ankles really thick. I had a problem with circulation. That's the money. That's why Chinese people to be. That's why they smoke more cigarettes, but there's less cancer that because. The bodies more oxygen jaded, plus they do Taichi. They just go outside and pushed the ad. That's gotta do something for you. Daichi you look beautiful. You know, I'm happy still doing fucking thing. You know. I like doing stand of, you know, as I still do it every weekend now right now look at the life, you Levy, would you train that into being human to put a fucking a target on your back. I was. I was when I got at the company which is to save me. Yeah, I didn't expect anything or what everything has been a cherry on Sunday, so I take it for what is right now. You know, like all after net flicks come down, go, listen. I'm still sticking to the same schedule. Right? To tell everybody the agency like it's great, but well, that's the thing you gotta push so hard to get to that level still sticking to the same level because that's the level that I work at the best right. For me, it's all about being creative. I want to just be created every time I wanna go on stage. I wanna feel enthusiastic. It's like, dude, I watched that molly's game. Does she quotes that dude? And she goes, success is moving from area from area to area with full enthusiasm? Yeah, and it really is Tuesday's Monday, do a podcast, fucking great. I don't even I wouldn't even consider would stand up tonight. I don't care what you pay me. I'm focused on the fuck podcast to that. So Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, my podcast days. Right. And then on the weekend, you do comedy and then for a week, I'm fucking dad straight. I'm karate. I'm fucking full show and I'm enthuse at every level. I mean time you should at your daughter's thing, but she was a kid go one of my doing my life. Our fucking ballet class. I, yeah, I wasn't that thrilled about the dance class all that shit's. But guess what you gotta do that. What I refills. You refuels you the twenty minutes. I went to my life. I get material. I think if things I got a lot of material plus she gets older. She's gonna be such a great sounding like I've always wanted a friend that just hung out and you do bits all day with. And that's what I have. I have an eleven year old that loves by can do bits all day, you know? So it's like we go to the park, we hang out, it's pushing them into comedy now. Now now I don't think kids. I don't like I don't like when kids want to be in show business. We agree on that one. I don't like it's fucking creepy. Crips these fucking kids out forever. It's too creepy. Even threes on the sitcom for these kids is traumatizing. They see a world different view. They have had that. It's like it. If fucks with this natural order of things, adults aren't supposed to be talking to an hanging on your every word like you're the smartest person in the room. You know, when you're the star of show, even if you're only fourteen, that's what everybody does. You know their jobs depend on it. What days? The podcast. It doesn't matter. You know, we, we don't. We just do it whenever we can do it and put it out. So what a week, usually it's Wednesday or Thursday, but you have a lot of dates coming up. I work mostly in New York on the weekends. A New York area? Yeah. You stay jersey you to the tour? Yeah, anyway. Yes. Works every week in jersey. I'm fucking. Does Evan, Evan, the Reverend fucking savages basket. Raging Bob, Levi's the what? He's the driving force of that tricky. Really. He's a savage, this average like there in jersey every fucking week. I love it. Yeah, I finally jersey I would go on a mentor. Yeah, that's it. It's a tour jersey every week in some fucking different may jersey and jersey. Not what it used to be that politically correct motherfuckers now, in jersey, I used always the Kobo jersey still is, is nobody's ever been like, oh, about a joke in jersey. Feel like that's true. Hoboken cyz the Hoboken to hoboken's comedy. 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The Truth About The FIRE Movement

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The Truth About The FIRE Movement

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It's a grisly Gaga's at nice. I don't know what that means. A nice farmhouse ale. Saison a lighter stays on. Yeah. That's very nice. I don't know. What are you doing? I'm so relaxed right now. It'd be like an NPR host. Yeah. Delilah. I drinking a as most times of the week. I drink a New England style IP a called hip to the lingo. And it has made with Amarillo Eldorado in Simcoe hops by well-worked spring company in Greeley, Colorado, obviously from weld warehouse at the thing, and it did look like there was lingo on the Ken. Yeah. It's got hashed. I don't know. It's cool looking like a funky. Can I I hear all the kids are using these hashtags? Yeah. The kids love and hashtags and Garth Brooks. So we're drinking our catchphrase today from Thomas Edison to Thomas Edison, quote, which was submitted by Mason. Thank you Mason for our catchphrase today, and we're talking about oh, man. We're talking about the fire movement. Oh, no. Why is everything on fire? Why does every brand on the internet have to be on? On fire because I think originally it was like entrepreneur on fire. And then it's like, it's like F. I e r now, it's an acronym. You know, and like Lauren, I we we have this like awesome whole grain bread. It's called Dave's bread. And it's a Dave's bread on five. Not spicy nice. I've wished instead insane. No. It's actually not a thing. I made that. Okay. I was gonna say there should be. If you're going to put something on fire make it spicy right now. That's why you know, it's as catchy thing. Some brilliant marketing person. Came up with a way to bottle what the personal finance space has been doing since it existed. And they bought it up in what's called fire and that stands bore. Financial independence retire early. Okay. Now, we have to slightly different from early retirement it how is it slightly different. No. It's exactly the same. So how do we let's break down the acronym. Because. This is look I've been following Mr. money moustache for years we've had him on the show like four years ago. I love his work. Yes. He like big is like king fire. Right. Yeah. But yet yet, and I searched the site. He had not mentioned the word fire until twenty teen and spoiler alert. He started his site before twenty eight long like a long time ago years before. Yeah. But he's definitely pro financial independence has always been and pro retire early. And I think whoever I'm he did I don't know who the person is who like grouped it altogether in an acronym. Good on them. Because now it's now it's something CNN money can talk about right right before they couldn't grasp the elect retire early. But now, it's like fire. It's like this cool thing. So let's talk about the first part, financial independence. I've heard this a lot. I don't this is the first piece of the acronym. That was born and fi is. You know, when I think people are we have often said like fuck you money. You know, it is having enough money. And it's not like so that you could quit and just roam the earth aimlessly, but enough said you can make decisions based on what you want. So if your boss is like you have to comment on Christmas. You can say, no, thank you. Go. Fuck yourself. Yes. No. Thank you, gently well money. I have a recurring dream of had this dream for probably the last. I don't know six years. Maybe maybe maybe longer. Where no no, no not six years. I'd say the last four years I have this dream where I I do what I do like I own some university. Like, I have I I don't have to work and I'll have to work a traditional job. And but I'm always working at my old company, which company, and I work different parts. So like sometimes in my dream and working at the retail side of the store. Sometimes I'm working in the corporate side of the store or corporate side of the business and. I always come to the realization in the dream that like I don't need to be here. So I always like go. Hey, I'm like working and my boss comes and he's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I'm working on it. And I realized halfway through them like, I don't I don't need this. Why am I here? And so I I leave I always my dream as I walk out. So then it was a good dream because I imagine the nightmare was like the door was locked from the outside. Well, you're you're stuck kind of feels like a bad dream, actually because it's like, why am I it's like a it's my nightmare to go back to work like that. You know? So does that mean, I have financial independence? Well, and so so actually, I think only you can answer that I would say that you have the Ari part taken care of a do is. And we'll get we'll get to that. I think that you. But do you think that money is is your complete detached from financial restrictions or your everything that you want or a bell? No, I don't feel that way. But I don't think that's exactly what it means either. Because like I can't go by helicopter. Right. But so I don't like pure fuck you money. I don't have. Okay. That's like extreme wealth. You know to be. I can't also I mean, maybe I could. But that'd be stupid. That'd be and say, you know, you could probably finance a helicopter least, Al. Yeah. I can't like I can't even buy a house. I don't have enough. Fuck you money to just like not even buy a house in cash. But to like, I mean, I guess I do that's not true. It's just it's not the house at I want my own taste, right? So like, so. Yes, okay. I think I understand. So like, yes, I do have like FIS the saving and investment aspect. It is like having this hoard of cash behind you. That is it's almost like a proxy for confidence. You can they certainly have more of that than I've ever had in my life. Yes. But you don't. But you don't feel that you have quite gotten to the point that you are untethered from. Because this is you make are still have to I feel like I still have to work, and I think financial independence, meaning means in my in my opinion of it is that you literally don't have to work, which I know is the retire early part. But it's like I can choose to not work today. I can choose to buy this thing. They not in not feel like it's I guess it's like the freedom from budgeting. Yeah. Okay. Or not even that you don't have to budget. But that you know, if if you were more lax, it wouldn't tear down like a house of Colorado's solid foundation. And you are certainly, you know, maybe on floor one is complete of a three story house that your Bill, right? So so then I don't know. I'm kind of confused then what's the difference between financial independence and retiring early? They sound like the exact same thing. So I think in the most like on the nose fashiom retiring early is like, you know, eclipse your hands you go. Tell your boss you're done. Maybe tell him some other choice words that you've been thinking for a while. And then you go home and become your couch like you and your couch just melding look one. And here's the thing. Like, we're saying, I know that's not what the fire movement is all about right? But but we're just trying to break down, the the knack the acronym. And so I think maybe more elegantly or the way I view it is it's the detachment of your time and your earnings, right? Like, so you said that you don't have to necessarily work. You know, you certainly need to still bring in the money. You're not like done making money. But like you can leave for a week, and you're still making money, and and you're fine. And so I think that's because I own my own business. It's not that I've retired from that business and literally don't have to work ever. I would that money. Appears owning your own business is one path to early retirement. It is also the path that I took. Well, that's the thing are you. But that's what I don't understand. Because I think retiring the word retire is you you are retiring from an activity, right? You're you're you're letting go of having the obligation to do that activity. And that is I don't know if that's the actual definition of the word, but it feels like the right definition when you retire to bed or when you like, you're you're you're you're giving up on the day. You're you're right, whatever. Okay. So build Liz moneymatters, blah, blah, whole story, and I quote, unquote, retired. And I literally told the people at work. And iheartradio that I was retiring I wasn't quitting. I wasn't gonna go work around business. I was retiring, and I made it really clear that was what I was. I okay. And I didn't become the couch because that's that weren't where my video games were. But I became an office chair. Okay. I know and I did like the the initial dream of just nothing. Yeah. Or whatever I wanted and often that didn't include shower, right? And I think and then, you know, Brandon the matter fine 'test came to similar conclusions that I did I think in a similar ways that just because you don't have to work doesn't mean that you shouldn't work, but you could work with money, not being a primary motivator like you. I could be doing habitat for humanity. You know in helping build houses for people meaningful things with my life. Okay. So. That. All right. I feel like I understand it it. It's it's certainly fluffy. Right. It is because it's different for everybody. Right because. Yeah. As a business owner is you could say like, yes, I could say I'm totally fire, bro. I'm very fire. I may not. I know there's something that. So I guess what isn't fire. What is like what are we what are some common misconceptions about the movement because I'm I don't feel a part of it. So we're we're trying to dissect this from the outs because you don't feel a part of the movement. Right. You're not in the no I feel like we've been doing this now even having chats about money since whatever. And then all of a sudden, there's this fire movement. And we're like what is this? And I kind of feel like we've been doing this. But I guess we were using the wrong hashtag. Okay. That's yeah. Lingo. That's what I'm saying. All that. And so I don't think it's it's for one the end of work and. I don't know if you've heard of like death by retirement. Yes stuff. Oh, yeah. I I I use as an excuse to say I will never retire retire. I love me. Yeah. And there's there's a ton of studies. There's a literal ton of studies. And I think the most compelling one this is when you could retire at sixty two and click social security with early right? So it was a few years back early like sixty seven sixty five sixty sixty seven's when you get the full amount. You there? The increases your likelihood of death. If you were tired sixty two by twenty percent, that's insane. And obviously there are people who are fine. And you can look at someone like Bill Gates who has taken, you know, from CEO of Microsoft to make a life purpose to essentially build a company around trying to save the world. I'm no scientist, and I'm no doctor meaning at I believe that as soon as you like give your brain arrest as soon as you're like brain, you don't have to think anymore like you can just live on the couch. That's when you you're you're you're essentially, like, you're retiring, you're giving up your mind, and I never that's sort of. My thing is I never want to ever stop actively actively engaging my mind when I retire and that to me is not like gardening or crossword puzzles or whatever like it's I need to be working. I need to be problem solving until I die. And hopefully, that's like one hundred and fifty nine and it doesn't have to be for personal gain. Although it may be you know, in Mr. fire himself who didn't come for the word, Mr. money moustache. If you file his blog has always been building businesses renting properties. And if literally is last post is about like, this money mestizo headquarters that he's working on the thing is he has purposeful things to do business is a great thing that's larger than yourself. But as but it could be gardening. But he's far from the traditional definition of retiring in the in the sense of like collecting social security, right? He's far from that definition. Like, the guy's got to be like thirty five or so. No, I think he's a little over. But still like he's not much. But like, yeah, he's doing work. He's working constantly. I'm sure yeah. Because he wants to. You know what? But what isn't it like what? So I guess we're like the isn't retiring in the traditional sense of right? You know, fuck fucking off. Basically, it's it's you're still working in some capacity. I wanna do at kind of where fire was born. And where where it hovers, and it is not only this. You don't have to like Email us and say that, you know, it's whatever but doll. It's all spectrum. And I think it's kind of opening up much more to that. But his tend to be concentrated in frugality, and maybe even super extreme for gal. Well, that is certainly what the I mean, I I haven't watched any of these. But I'm sure if like once once this becomes mainstream, and I'm thinking, it's very it's there, it's it's it's moving towards like I've watched the CNN thing talk about it. I've seen the PBS documentary seen like these many things many stories, it's certainly becoming mainstream. But it's a lot of it is focused on the frugality because that's the interesting part of it. Right. That's the that's the story. That's going to get the clicks. And the eyeballs is like this person uses two ply toilet paper. But split it in half. So he has to rules, and he's like can you used one bar of soap over the whole year and make your? Make your own laundry detergent. It's it's it's it's certainly going to focus on that. But that is not necessarily the focus of fire. In fact, I because you're right. I don't do any of that shit. And I'm fact I kind of like I don't I mean, I can see why people are into for gallery because it is a creative way to say it's creative in its in its root, right? Where it's like, or what can I do myself and like not spend money. I think that's really cool. I don't wanna do it. Personally it. We were talking before we started recording. You know, we were talking about like where we live and then in through chance or maybe we have similar tastes you live in an equally expensive area. You know, other side of the country tastes. Through taste or whatever. And. We were kind of joking. Like, you said like, no one goes to work where you live. And I remember when I like, quote, unquote retired. I thought I was special. I realize I just became part of the group. No, one in Hoboken seems to go to war. It will. I know. I know that because like on a Tuesday, I'll go down will walk the streets Tuesday morning to go to breakfast. And they'll be like a line out the door on like a Tuesday in October. I'm like, I always say do this fucking people work. And and here, I am literally people writing and like doing things but on their own schedules on their own time. And but I do we'll hold on. I do I don't wanna conflict two things because I just read, you know, this US news report that came out actually yesterday. I believe about how or maybe it was New York Times, whatever it was about how millennials are choosing to freelance versus a traditional job. And then the millennials were like, we're not choosing shit. It's just that companies are not. Paying the health benefits. They're not paying fulltime jobs like it were kind of forced to freelance in order to make a living. But I think a lot of people we've seen the coffee shops are perhaps freelancers people who can work from anywhere. Choose the work in a coffee shop, and they may be doing it because they want to be a freelancer, and that's cool or they're forced to be a freelancer because they can't find a job that will pay them, steady income and all those things and health benefits and have you? I think. But perhaps he ultimately irony of is that if you were in that coffee shop on your laptop, you know, when you're old navy, whatever or I was in there in mind, you know, my three year old old navy basic v neck, you know, on my laptop. You would not be able to tell who was who knows the freelancer who. And I think like the beauty in that is you're still trying to do something, you know, Mr. money moustache guy who monthly on his website earns likely in a month twice. What he spends an ear. You know ger? Maybe. Oh, I'm sure more. Yeah. Okay. They were saying like still read fines purpose. And so it is not one thing. It has many physicians and and and and you may be doing it right now, not even knowing it. You may be a part of the fire movement. And you don't even know it like, I maybe I am. And I think do it. So I guess my question I have a couple of questions about this before we because I want to talk about different ways to so we'll we'll give like actual actionable. Okay. So okay before before it'd be do. I. I remember talking to somebody who is a fire proponent, and who and who has been for forever and not like the, you know, somebody like before fire became a an acronym. Who is like I'm curious what's going to happen because fires really big right now. And we end it happens to correlate with us being in the most bullish market of all time. What happens if we go through another two thousand eight and and was fire. I don't want to get into a far ahead of myself. But like was fire and those movement born from south. So I was like oh my God. Like, I think you're onto something. I think that it was and it is no Iranian that the eighty plus percent of the the big personal finance brand's website out. There started in the two thousand eight two thousand nine two thousand ten it's really borne out of like we can't trust these mother fuckers pay us when we retire. So we got to take this indoor own and to your point is like, you know, it's great to forecast, you know, say the market on average seven percent. Some people are saying he does like twelve percent. If you look in the past few years, you know, it's really great. And when you run any sort of numbers in a really great situation. The really great and the kind of like going joke is on a lot of these early fire super frugal, you know, left their job at the peak of the Mark. They they may be didn't calculate properly. And they may be looking for jobs soon. The the market has lost something like twenty percent of its value in a month and a half. Yeah. But it's gained we had the highest spike yesterday. Dow Jones, you know that like went up a thousand points in act because news came out that we spent eight hundred fifty million dollars on Christmas shit. And so then all the people were like, oh, okay. Maybe maybe we're not such a, you know, and they spiked who knows where that goes. But that's just that's very I'm talking almost two. I'm talking two days after Christmas. So right. So for sure who knows what you know if you look at Google apple. What's the other one obviously Facebook just cram Amazon so Google apple Amazon like their stock prices are back to like what they were an early twenty seventeen and where and two thousand eighteen like they've lost enormous amounts of gains. And it's not like, it's a forever thing. But if you have a hastily left through, frugality, and whatever. Yeah. But but we're going to talk about how to. Okay. This is a bit more of a robust setup. All right. Because the last thing I want to do is shit on the fire movement because I personally. I guess a part of it without without knowing it and that wasn't my goal. And I I personally don't want to be a part of any groups. I kind of blame. No. I don't wanna be a I don't want to be a sub register for sure. And that's just my personality your, Tom. So. Yeah, I'm yeah. I own read it is what I want to be that guy who like oh I facilitate, but but I think it's I think it's cool. I think it's I think it's noble, it's a noble pursuit for sure. And there's multiple ways to go about it. And apparently, I went about it a certain way, and we'll talk about that. But let's take a break first. And then let's get into all the different ways, you can become fire on vita sounds. All right. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. You know, what's smart figuring out who do you need to hire? To take your business in the next level in two thousand nineteen. You know, what else is smart starting off the new year strong by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash element to hire the right people. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter finds qualified candidates for you. It's powerful matching technology scans thousands of resumes to identify people with the right skills education and experience and actively invites them to apply to your job. So you can get qualified candidates fast. That's why ZipRecruiter is rated number one by employees in the US. This rating comes from hiring sites on trust pilot with over one thousand reviews and right now, our listeners can try ZipRecruiter for free at this exclusive web address ZipRecruiter dot com slash L, M if you love this show show your support by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash L. A m that's ZipRecruiter. Dot com slash LM. Ziprecruiter, the smartest way to hire. All right. Andrew, yo. You fire broke. I'm on fire. Oh, man. All right. How did you get there? How did you get too far? So Laura, I we had a high earnings. We certainly spent while you had a day to day job. We certainly spent money we are not frugal by any means. But we don't buy a lot of things and we were building a meaningful retirement. And then listen moneymatters happens and really amped our income and kind of like. Rocketed us forward a few years. Hold up before. Listen moneymatters was even a twinkle in your eye. You were you had a high paying job right out of college? I was which rare. Yes, you were lucky, but that was also before two thousand eight correct, okay. Who is still high paying after two thousand it's okay because you were in the financial sector, and while you were working on Wall Street as a tech, bro. As a technical. So. Yeah. So you took a lot of that you weren't spending a lot you took a lot of that money. And you stashed was obsessed. We've been you're always a stash right from like birth. You were kind of like, you were indoctrinated into the stashing mindset. Yeah. When I was making five thousand a month. I was putting twelve hundred towards rents, you know, and I was. Yeah. Five hundred to feed myself, and you know, the rest was just going into investments because I really excited about that. Okay. So yeah, you are an even before that too. When you had when you live with your parents. I'm sure you were saying, oh for sure I got my first job. I was out of college. And I live with my parents for a few months because my parents, nor I trusted that ought to be able to get my ass off for work. And then I saved. All right. So you saved and that's really how you got in there. And then and then then let somebody matters happened which was extra income because you were working today job, and you have the side business, and that allows you to not that you slow down not that you cut your expenses at all. In fact, they went up, and they went up accordingly, but you still saving roughly the same amount that you were when you were not four listen moneymatters was a thing we are just about at the point where our investments were grow like the amount of growth have in a month on average was getting to be more than what we could even save in a month. And so obviously compounds and continues forward, and so we have we did a multi multifaceted approach. Right. Like, we saved. We also built up business Bill multiple businesses. But it's not the only properties we. Yeah. I I guess as part of this personal finance thing. We kind of explored all avenues. So okay. I think they're in my in my assessment of this entire movement. There are really only two ways about it. Or maybe three, and I would say that you went about it where you were saving, but you weren't being frugal you instead focused that energy towards making more money. So that you could save more. Right. Not that you percentage wise saved more. But that you were literally throwing more money away or not throwing it away. But throwing it into a Bank account. Correct. Right. So the other way like the opposite of that. It was literally driven by the obsession to save more was. Right. But not more percentage wise. Right, right. What do you mean? Or I guess, well, I guess I wanted to save my income. And then I want to save more. But Lauren I like to go to eat. And so it was either go to eat less or make more money. And so as always make more make more, right? So you're you're energy went toward that you could take the opposite approach and basically say I live on a fixed salary. I'm not going to focus my life into making more money. I'm going to focus my energy into saving more, thus spending less. Right. Right. Okay. And I think and again, I'm speculating here. But I think a lot of the people within the firemen because I believe like in the red it sub read it for. I think there's like three hundred fifty thousand people there is a fuck top people. I don't want. I guess I just said at number. But I don't even know if that's true. But. Let me let me look that up. But like, I think the most approachable way of cheating, quote, unquote, fire is through spending less. Yeah. Actually, it's four hundred eighty one. Yeah. So it's a lot. There's a lot of fucking people who are in this movement. I am magin that majority of these folks are more in line with the CEO are being super frugal, and saving a lot of their money on a fixed income because most people think everyone can do at even if you even like even in your situation where you're decided like I'm going to focus more, I'm going to focus my energy on making more money. But you could also say I'm going to do that. And I'm going to be super Campbell. So you could be literally saving like fuck seventy five percent of your income. Right. And just be like and just have all the killing it. Yeah. So I yeah. But I think it's more. I guess I don't know if this is true or not. But it sounds like the frugality side of it is a little bit more accessible to people. Then the start aside business, you know, spend all your hours doing this. You know, look, building, multiple businesses and rental properties. And the overall approach of this, frugality, you know, is not all that different than the approach our parents and grandparents took whereas like, you earn your money, you know, in X amount of time, you know, sixty years or and fire. Maybe it's on no thirty five years you're in as much as you can. And then you spend in accordance of what you have. And the the hope is at a last you forever. And hopefully, you build up pile up high enough. And we didn't talk about the four percent rule. We did not. And I do we do we need to because I think it is is that that is a core tenant of like. So whether it's our parents working the whole life, and retiring, or you know, you're being frugal the amount you need, and this is whether you're frugal person or not the amount you need to not have to earn. Another dollar again is a factor of your spending. And so the four percent rule is essentially. It helps you determine how much you need to save. So as an example because I just watch this. There's a PBS little thing you can watch it on YouTube or they interviewed Pete mystery mustache, and they asked him how much does his family of three spend a year, and he said between twenty five and twenty seven thousand dollars a year. Right. So then let's just take it as easy math the calculation of twenty five thousand if you're spending twenty five if you only need as a family of three twenty five thousand dollars a year which made to some people sound insane. But that's living a super frugal creatively frugal lifestyle, right? That's also, you know, somebody who doesn't have. I don't I don't believe I'm mortgage as is roped into that. Because he built his own house. Right. And he was mortgage though, like he paid off his mortgage before he retired. Right. So that was part of getting to that to that level rate is paying off your mortgage saving a bunch of money like really living super frugal for those for those years with a higher earning job. So then now, you know, what is somebody like that need so in the Bank based on the four percent rule that means needs to have saved six hundred twenty five thousand dollars to retire. And the way that's figured out is the four percent rule is that you take some amount of money that you have. And the the rule of thumb and four percent is a bit more aggressive. Maybe now it's more like the three percent rule, but they withdraw four percent of whatever you've saved out of your account for the out of your investing. If you're investing count for the rest of your life and based on gains, it will essentially replenish yourself and you'll never run out of money. Okay. What that does? Is it fixes the amount that you could spend and things like a forever, right and things like a crash could dramatically change. Your course. Okay. So I mean, that's what a lot of these people are begging on like getting getting to that certain number where they can spend this amount. That's that's the that's the goal of the fire movement. Right. Is to get to that where the where the three or four percent they can be taken out of their investments, and and be say us. Okay. The problem is is that if they if they actually end up reaching that goal say in the bear market, and then they might be having if you you know, it it'll obviously come back, but it, but like the timing is it would be. Right. And look at everyone is trying to calculate it properly. And obviously if you are very pessimistic unique be fine. And is not to say that this is an impossible way to do this. But let's give an example that you are thirty two and abrode tech borough engineer earning tons of money and your your prime and you're in like some super hot startup, and you calculate that you can retire. And then ten fifteen years go by and it turns out your calculations were wrong or you had a health issue or a meteor hit your home or something? Sure. Now, you're out of the market. And you haven't been working you're not going to be able to earn like you were. And that's a problem. And so, you know, it's not to say that you can't. But it is certainly more risky risk. Then attempting to acquire some sort of income streams as part of building your retirement stash. Okay. That's interesting. Because my because here's my my my only rub with this movement. Is that it tends to for my understanding of MIT, my understanding of it? It seems to be small families right tiny families occasionally without kids. Yeah. Dings, right people who have double income. People who make a lot of money, and can stash a lot of that money and also live frugally makes those people have it very easy because it's like, oh, if both if you're a Dink, right and you're making one hundred thousand year partners making one hundred thousand. Yeah. You could save half your income and live off one hundred thousand a year credit. You could save seventy five to maybe eighty percent of that income and live off of twenty thousand a year. If you had no mortgage, you were just renting or certainly easy to just it seems just very feasible for those people, and I think the biggest, and I know I know the fire movement community gets a lot of this pushback, which is what about the guy even single person a single person or maybe a single parent that makes forty grand a year. How do they do it? Like, they can't do the traditional just focus on for galaxy. They literally have to do they have to do another income stream. Right. There's just no. Is there any because? I don't know. He has like they always argue it. They always say like, oh, you can do it. You're just you know. You can do it. It's always possible to matter. How much you make? But is that really true? The thing is it goes both ways is so like will they be able to live in boulder, or you know, or even just like go out to eat. Maybe not, you know. And the thing is is you know, it is this whole frugality is not like a short term thing to then retire because your retirement is predicated on what you're spending. And so it is a lifelong commitment to a certain amount, you know, and so and it is a lifestyle. It is not like because I was going to say like there are people who do short brutality long-term for gallery. It's forget for gallery. It is changing your approach towards life and spending know this like hashtag van life thing predicated off of this and tiny homes were driven by this downsizing approach. And so you can do that and be happy for sure. But like don't do it to achieve a goal, and then be unhappy as a result, like if you're doing a tiny house life or you're gonna live in a van that should. Be something that fires you to be running it. Really fires you up. Yeah. Yeah. Fire. Yeah. I I. Yeah. Those to those movements really chat my ass personally. But like, I know they're born out of necessity in a way because I mean people I mean, we're all children of the crash children of the two thousand eight recession. Right. And I know, and I think a lot of people turn to tiny homes because yes, it's an alternative lifestyle. And it's cool, and it's trendy but also out of necessity because you know, companies are just not paying people a livable wage in this country. Right, right. And I think especially where people purpose of fire is essentially to is for happiness as seek, right? Like, you hit the F I piece. So you do less things that make you unhappy. And then you do the R E peace fire. Ari the fire pace. So that like you have more time to yourself. Which makes you happy family. Right, right. Yes. Like living in a van chapter us like you've kind of as a person if you're doing it out of like fuck, I'm living in a van, this sucks then. Yeah. You're you're doing it wrong reasons wrong motivation. You may even sit back from where you were before. And so you have to really like introspective on that. Yeah. So, but that's that's reality. I think there's hybrid approaches, and certainly just other approaches in general and the approach that you subscribe to personally is the multi is like is regardless if you were making let's say, you weren't let's say you and Laura weren't. Didn't have high income and maybe didn't live in Hobo lived in. But touch it. Right. So that believe it's a place. You're familiar with right. And I'm not familiar with its with its economic the socioeconomic status of Magen Hoboken imagine for. Sure. Okay. Fine, then then satisfied. So so it's cheaper than Hoboken. You didn't get a high paying job you a millennial who got out got out of college. And you know, which wasn't paid for, you know, so you have that college debt, and you're making let's say sixty grand a year starting salary, which I know is high. But let's just say that's like what would you do? Like how what would you do? You would always take the approach of building another income stream. Right. So I oh, so after this whole Leman brothers medical, and the understanding of the insecurity of work, or or fearing income, insecurity. Like, yes, I'm obsessed with having because now that we have multiple websites. It's well like what if they both fail? What if you know this happens, and and so it's how to? Not destroy your lifestyle. So we have gotten rental properties. And there are people who've done it solely on rental properties. You know? And it's like this you have to have money to get those. I couldn't buy rental property right now. Right. I mean, well, gay you could why could are most six we had to put sixteen thousand in two by what was essentially like one hundred thousand dollar house, and you know, it. These things are built one house at a time. A one house a year. That's great progress. We built a business, and I think like you don't have to build a business. But if you retire and you do something with your time. You may inadvertently do right? Like at the end the day, you're going to put your time towards something. And and you may put a lot towards volunteering your time is also valuable. Right. So I mean, that's the thing. I think ultimately the fire movement is a movement, and it is a trendy cool phrase topic, whatever you wanna call it. How do you feel about it in general? How do you feel about the entire thing? I I guess what really gets me frothing is. Chapter really chaps my ass. Is is I worry about. People's understanding of retirement, you know, mom, and I think if you are like if you hate your job, you know, get to fi so that you could do something that you love more. But. You have to do something. And I think it changes your calculations. If you understand that you will always do something. Then that maybe you can get there faster. You know, an and if you plan for it. Do you think it's? Ah happiness thing. Not necessarily a money thing. Yeah. Yeah. I would say so. By the time. You've reached fire it the money thinks shouldn't be such a big deal. Yeah. I guess like once you've reached it. Then what? Now, that's like that existential crisis thing because it's like you had a motivator. I mean, I know this this play which is like you have this motivator to get you to a certain level of paying off credit card debt. Right. It's like I had this motivator. And I'm driven and making get it done and get it done. And I'm like now, what do I do? I mean, that's a bad example. But I think, you know, once you hit fire, essentially like no matter how you get there. You don't pra- perhaps the thought that I want to leave people with his two to taper the expectations or maybe slow it down a bit I personally compromised everything in pursuit of getting to the finish line as fast as possible. And then it was like an and I was explaining the story to someone who's in this personal finance community now. And I just let everything go in a single minded pursuit to achieve essentially fire. And he's like, wow, that's really sad. And I was like, yeah. What do you think you missed out on? I put you know. Didn't do a lot of family things. I didn't spend enough time with Laura. You know, I I kind of like let friendships languish. I got that. You know, like the most non exactly drink this beer. And the thing is like, you know, why do fire if you're going to compromise your health, and then die, and thankfully, I'm in good health. But I think that if you could put all these things in motion, it'll be a smooth transition and a happy one, you know. So I do think that the fire movement in general is more along the lines of like, do it responsibly its about the happiness within the progress or within the pursuit of that. For sure. I'm sure that certain people take more aggressive approach to it. Which is you know, sacrifice their the next ten years at a life to get to it. And I don't think that the movement sort of is advocating that I think they are they want you to enjoy the process of getting there, right? And don't be distracted by maybe a majority in the frugal area. Yeah. You could do it your own way. And I also think too is the fire movement has an end goal in mind. But I don't think that that is the way to approach it. I think the way to approach it is embrace the lifestyle. It's like it's like getting healthy or losing weight. It's like you can't just go. I'm going to lose twenty pounds in two thousand nineteen I'm going to lose one hundred pounds you need to embrace the entire lifestyle. You need to love you to learn to love working out if it's about losing weight and then same you need to. Learn to love being and creative about it. You need to learn to. You know, love saving money, and and also making money, and you need to figure out a way to not sacrifice your life and your health in order in for that pursuit because you're right at the end of the day when you actually do reach that milestone, you might have regrets, and then that won't be good. I think personally. Because I wasn't actively trying to to reach buyer. I think I don't have regrets on how I got to where I was. I think I did it. I think I. I enjoyed the entire process along the way. And it's because I didn't really know. I didn't really know. I had it. I didn't really have a goal. My only goal is actually a negative one. And I tell this a lot to people is like I've only I only have one mission in life right now. And that's to never worked for anyone again. And and that's a negative goal. It's an anti goal, right? And like what will happen when I do have to work for somebody? Again. I don't know. I worry about that day. Obviously, I have dreams about podcast episodes to edit. Right. I don't want to ever reach that goal. And it's a it's a goal to stay away from. And I think you know for fire. I think that's really the important piece of it is to like if you wanna be a part of the movement, there is four hundred and eighty thousand people who will help you keep you accountable, right? I think you, and I certainly are a advocates for fire for sure, you know. We are advocates of being intelligent with your money and not hating your life in the process. And so I think we we have the the same alignment in lifestyle approaches, and there are multiple ways to go about fire. And I think we chose our way which was to run our own businesses and not work for anybody in and save our money, but still but not live a frugal lifestyle not. I'm not a frugal person by any means. But I'm also not a frivolous spender of nonsense. I I don't even sit in the middle. I probably sit more towards the the greater end of the spectrum of like little more frivolous than maybe most people. But I am certainly not extravagant in my purchases. And it's not a solution to all problems. Like, no, I still have plenty of problems. Yeah. No. And I want to say. What is it? Jay z is a ninety nine problems and money isn't one of them. But yeah, I think that's what he said too. Yeah. I think you're paraphrasing a bit. But yeah. So. Yeah. So I think. Yeah. And that's a good place to sort of. What do you think? Is there anything else that you want to say before we go? No. Actually. Okay. No. No. Check out fire go to the sub Reddit Mr. money. Moustache absolute great resource mad, scientists great. These are two of our favorite people. We've interviewed though, an we'll link to it in the show notes. You know, you don't have to only take inspiration from one source. The, you know, we don't know all things, but I also think those two are the OG's of this movement. And if you're gonna follow anybody, those are certainly the ones to follow agreed because they I think our values alignment, there's they are they are they were born before the the two thousand eight. You know, crisis financial crisis of America. So that's what I recommend those are my two resources for. Sure agree. Cool. All right. If you miss anything, we'll have everything in the show notes. Don't you worry? Neither check your preferred podcast app or you can visit the money matters dot com slash show. Please subscribe wherever you normally listen to podcasts and tell your friends about us point them to your favorite episodes. 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"It's another addition of KFC radio on the Barstool sports network. We are into week six of quarantine here and as as more more personal stories and personal tales of quarantine comes out I think we've seen the good the bad and the ugly of Corona virus lockdown. And I think that what what some might view as a good thing. I think would be our absolute nightmare of a quarantine and is the blog that you wrote earlier today with this entire island of hippies in Panama stuck at the side trance festival. Oh Oh just that combination of words makes me WANNA puke. I watched the video. I'm trying to find a place to sit. I watched the the documentary about it. It is like a it's like a college quad from helps like even in college. At least hippies are still kinda hot right where it's like. You know you still have your use your body you have I Dunno fucking get the. They're always come together. You can have access to showers. This is this is like it's a college quad. Accept it takes out even the the very few good parts of college quad. They are Frisbees here. It was just a deep there. Looked like there was one scene where they were all fucking marching around some firepit and everyone was gone. It looked like if if I switch was in the Caribbean it look look coming in hot. I mean he's just the body types with by people who haven't been eating and just just I just look at it. Look my my vipers salt. When I'm just being honest here my first thought when I saw it was looks like you're in a concentration camp repairs that be that might not be corona island of quarantine related. That just is kind of the standard hippie body. That's how they work. Because they're all like vegans or if they eat sunlight or whatever the fuck new new crazes But this definitely feels. This feels to me more like a real life fire fest where like not. There aren't wasn't real but it was like they were. They were trapped there for a little bit and you know it was more about like how the festival was a scam. This is just like you're stuck on a on an island or Panama. Whatever and and I mean. What's what's stopping. There's no flights out. There's no there's no travel Panamanian government military's on on site now and keeping them there. It's fucking. It looks off but the point like the concerts still trying to go on so like there's still a DJ up there. It's a bunch of people who look like they're they have the enthusiasm of someone at like a local performer at a children's birthday and get in it. Only there aren't kids there and these people are just sitting there like which I at Huckabee normal life at had at damn kids and growing in Cincinnati like this is like a big J. O. Kherson in the Winnie the Pooh Alpha. Just an entertaining was like when I started. We were worried about. We'RE GONNA have cleaning products in food like dude you'RE GONNA fuck inside. Trans whatever that means. You're unique acid in. That's it yeah I don't. I don't have much sympathy for them. Because it's not like they signed up for some like cookie five star SPA treatment. You went to a place called side Trans in Panama I. I'm surprised I'm surprised. They even know something's going on. I feel like again. This is just this is just like we stayed a little longer than we were supposed to do a little. I think he was like I think the concert was supposed to star or at least some employees got daily March ten on March fifteenth. They're like hey what's up out there in the world like what's going on here it's fucking. It's the acid again. I don't know much about side trans. I imagined acid is the glue that holds together the belief that you're having a good time without acid I feel it go the whole charade just right right in my underwear on in a jungle Yeah I could imagine the comedown from from like a festival weekend at side trance when the acid trip ends is like the ultimate Sunday's Gary's just going back to regular world and when I say like most of the time it's like oh You know when you come back from a Caribbean vacation you have to go back to quote unquote the real world. I am talking about your brain returning from the ultimate ultimate dimension. That it was in you are now coming back to the real world and that has got to be a bitch not stuck intense with not hours with your This is not how I even back somewhere where you went. Ulysses a blast fucked up camera sucks can only but now it's your life and your pride. We tried a couple times when I lived in hoboken. We did when I first moved to hoboken and we didn't hoboken. Saint Pat's so is the first Saturday March. We wake up at six. Am restart greatest thing ever and we all had the bright idea in like June to try it again. We just pick a random Saturday. We were like. Why don't we do? This is all time. And you can't you can't recapture those things. It has to be spur of the moment. Because when you come back to reality it is as painful as it gets It's the polar opposite of the. We never talked about the couple in the Maldives. They had it made although they were going broke. Did you ever hear about this couple now? They were on their honeymoon in the Maldives. That's where you get those huts over the water and it's like completely isolated. You live on the Water Hut and they bring you all your meals. They bring you everything and they were. They were safe but stupid. They went on there. They went on their honeymoon like pretty late but it was before there was any bands or anything like that and they were. They were debating like cutting it short and getting out of town. They were told it would be okay and all of a sudden South Africa. Shut it down so we are no longer doing any flights. That's where they're from south South Africa and they were the last people at the resort but the resort has a rule. That as long as there's any buddy as a guest the entire staff has to stay. Which kind of sounds ridiculous like given the circumstances? I think you can change. The rules didn't end so they gave him a discounted rate but they were still just racking up like nightly fees and they were like. We're GONNA go borough doing this but we don't have a choice right now. So we're just making the best of it and they had the entire staff the chefs the like the party. People like they were refilling. Their drinks playing music cooking them meals and the staff so that they all wanted like stuff to do because otherwise they're standing around so they were happy to do it and they were just honest extended. Honeymoon the only people in the Maldives just getting had waited on hand and foot living in their hut just fucking and living in the lap luxury for an extra like two weeks. Yeah but goes those things like kind of like the side translating those connected with nature living in a hot and being one with the earth things those those spoil quick who can't go on vacations like that because if something crazy happens like a worldwide pandemic and your hugging mother. Earth is nice for three days pretty quickly. Your is this just the needy bitch and I. I don't WanNa be around her anymore. Although I would say that you know literally the safest place on Earth to be in. A pandemic is the isolated islands of the Maldives. I don't think anybody in the Maldives had it. Because it's so it's so secluded that whole thing to me. It looks awesome and I think I would be. I would love it for like one night. When you're those Hudson literally distill Sir in the water and you're probably laying down at night and you can hear the the water lapping up against the wood. And it's like peaceful and quiet awesome amazing incredible like wait disconnect yet and you're on your honeymoon you fuck your wife and you just soak in whatever and then like after maybe thirty six hours. They'd be like I wanNA go on twitter. I WANNA watch TV. I want to get like McDonald's. I don't need to eat this like freshly prepared fish. You just caught from underneath my house every night so I can see it being cool but not not for like a two week thing and certainly not for like an extended month. Nothing IS COOL FOR TWO WEEKS. Not Anything in the world. That's like every day for two weeks you're GONNA wake up and be excited for. It is what you need. That's the variety all that stuff if you're just like oh it's the same fucking Doesn't matter if you're in paradise is the same folk thing. I'd rather just be on a couch. I we did Italy and Greece for our honeymoon and two weeks and we broke it up so like first week. Italy's Greece and like we bounced around a little bit so there was always like something new but by the end of it I was like I want and I was going back to like my shitty life but I was like I wanna get home. I need to be back in my apartment where I have bad water pressure. Where you know the the radiator doesn't work where all that shit because I just can't be in fake life away from everything so that long it just doesn't work the the the Cutler Cavalry family was doing that In the Bahamas where they were claiming they were stuck in. The whole world was like I think you just think you just soaking in an extra vacation and I feel like it would only be logical to gas that something hit the fan there but rip to one of the greatest. Celebrity couples ever really cuts deep. This was one of those. Love is dad moments for me I. It was one of those but also is one of the backing hindsight's twenty twenty. It's like all those time. Jay was incredibly disinterested. We Right now right now and I'm right might have seen this one coming. Jay got famous on reality. Tv for not giving a shit about what his wife's at twenty and and get it and Larry's laws of I love Jay but like if you spent twenty four days with someone at twenty eight days long and you're not really interested in them. It becomes pretty clear pretty quick but how about ten years of him being like. I don't give a shit about your friends. Your company your clothes. You make up your hair in the air. I mean the dude dude. Catchphrase is dull care not exactly a recipe for women loving it. The it's like That but also was celebrity level. I feel we're going to see us a lot. A lot of celebrity breakups in in Corentin couple breakup period Yeah of course but like a celebrity couple in even to a higher extent because even especially like when you're on quarantine. You're not together. That often your film and move wars. You're off like you are together as you know. Obviously not in a celebrity relationship. But I feel like you're together a lot less than a regular relationship that's all. It is kind of busy at least a hint of business in every I think there are celebrities who are genuinely in love. No doubt but there's always a little part of it will be good for the brand of at least thought Yup and then when you does any time together and when you finally this is the brand is not worth this guy from the side transversal. That's why when when people like when people think of when they say love is dad or whatever like I just jokingly did you got the real you cannot compare your relationship to a celebrity relationship in any way shape or form because it is just not even remotely close to realize and I think they tried to. I think both ways I think that like Jay Cutler was sitting around be like Oh my God. This is what it's like for you guys like every day with your wife all the time like I'm coming into retirement because a quarantine I'm Gonna I'm GonNa put the pads back on my life at risk again just to get away because this is crazy town are i. E to I mean cutler is a Casey Radio Barstool legends. Who I mean. Yeah he's like the reason why we loved him is probably the reason why his significant other. Not the IT'S A. It's a shame and a shock to learn that relationships where you mail your wife. The engagement ring are batting zero. Wait THEY CLARIFIED. 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We were saying last week how we actually haven't been doing all the things that we kind of expected to do during quarantine and I finally I finally got back on the TV horse in the form of a show that I think is very interesting. So we're going to do a little throwback Barstool Dvr here to talk about a couple Couple TV shows that neither of US have watched. Actually but I think are fascinating in the world TV. I'm finally diving in to better call Saul and when I say diving in I mean. I'm taking the shortcut. I'm taking the easy way out the cliff notes version and I just watched the recap ten minutes with the cast of better call Saul recapping the first three seasons. All I've seen on twitter recently people saying how great season five of better call Saul was how it's better than breaking bad. How everybody who jumped ship is an idiot and how everyone who kept up has been rewarded with a better Vince Gilligan. Show then breaking bad and I just can't stand all that talk and so I decided to dive in but I'm not watching. Three seasons of what everybody seems to admit is mediocre television. I'm not doing it. I cannot waste thirty hours in front of the TV when there's plenty of shit to watch to play a classics. I could always dive into new shit funny reality stuff just a million different things like a watch right now other than slow ass. Jimmy McGill at his dumb brother wrapped up in fucking tinfoil. But I find it to be a very fascinating. Larry for like seasons of that like in season two like this is the greatest character development ever seen in my life is the greatest. Karen involvement took thirty fucking years this side. You WanNa Watch it. It's it forever. Then yes you can do great pageant Melvin. You're just watching. Someone like character Elvin has to happen in a vacuum. It can't happen in real time. You need great. Carry Out. Development happens in. Interestingly but it happens in a manner that understands the aspect of fucking time watching it reality Yes yes I mean. Think about You know if you watch a movie a one time. Two hour movie you can have great character development right. There are people who are like. Oh man the beginning of that movie and the end of that movie character developed so much. That was one sitting. So you don't need to have it be you know actual real time years of development but I it's fascinating because it's like I don't deny that maybe we'll find out I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA get there soon enough and it sounds like season five. Is Gus fring and coming? You know. Meeting Walter White and bringing it back to the modern day breaking bad. I'm sure that's awesome but like where. What's the line between acceptable amounts of put up with it? Because there's a reason why ninety it's felt like ninety percent of people fell off on breaking bad and maybe that's exaggerating 'cause it sounds like there's also a lot of people talking now on twitter that they stuck with it but even the people who like it we'll tell me the first three seasons are not that good white sox. Dave was a sounds like a die hard fan. He was like you need to watch the first are- seasons. It can't be that good right like like where where is the Acceptable amount of tolerate a Because people throughout the buzzwords it's a slow burn it character development. It's you know it's it's like it's not immediate satisfaction. You need to eat to be patient. I get all that and I've watched plenty of shows that do that but there's a reason why me you and a ton of other people who really really liked television gave up on on better call. Saul like years ago. Something happened right. Yeah I still lived in Boston. I gave upon it so that right. I mean that's a long time ago for me. I know the Chuck McGill Allergic to electricity. People tell me that ended up being so much different than it really was and that he ended up being a good character. I'm like fine. That may be true but episode after episode of this dude afraid of light bulbs just was not doing it for me. So you know I think and people also say to me I thought how could you be? Vince? Gilligan Fan and not like better call Saul I'm not one of these people that just blanket everything that someone does. I loved breaking bed that show that he did on. Cbs after breaking bad ended soft. What was it that one? Yeah exactly it was like it was like It was two words. It was you know a cop show that like just was not good at all and I I remember Battle Creek. Remember that at all no recollection. What's right I mean I? It was like right after when you hear down Vince. Gill people for some reason. Saint Breaking bad was a slow burn. That is completely false. That's one of the worst narratives that have happened to television. Oh Wendy's breaking bad exciting like in episode. Do they're killing people? Never I never had a US. It starts off with fucking the gun and the the my name is welcome. White is not initially guilt. Yada Yada Yada. I don't know but one or two with end up killing all those guys with the poison gas but like pretty quickly April. What's his name I mean yeah. There was eight ball to go. I don't remember who was who live in the basement but like they kill is too and then try to dissolve the body. That's fucking that is not a slow burn. The re quickly when when Jesse gets covered in the body falls through the bucket bathtub and I mean I don't know maybe that's just me. I remember watching breaking bad real time. I never once was like oh I got stick it out through this and people who ask me like when does break bad? Get good if it's a show that I that I think was amazing. And you're saying that to me this is not for you. Don't watch it I. I'm not going to be offended. People who take it personally like. Why don't you like the show? If you're bored by this then somebody said to me. Recently I think they were like Wendy's always sunny get funny and I was like rubber. That show right off the bat totally fine. I don't I don't understand your sense of humor but that show is not for you because it gets funny immediately and I thought breaking bad was good immediately and I think that maybe better call Saul was a victim of its of of how good we know it can be like if I go into a show. That's that's the development of a lawyer from like a good lawyer to a criminal lawyer. That's interesting when I know that eventually we're going to be talking about drug cartels and death and murder and all that shit and were busy talking about like the INS and outs of law firm. Yeah like I can go dude. So maybe it was a victim like Gus fring. GimMe Mike Urban Trout and even right now so I'm only a couple of pilots four or five episodes into season four after cutting through season. Three and I've been told that the other non breaking bad characters will get better but I have never seen a show. That's a clear. Divide like when when the McGill characters are on the screen. It's fucking snooze fest. And then they cut to Gus fring they cut to Donald Audio and Don Juan and and the Salamanca's the twins are back. It's awesome. It's you're giving me breaking bed but half the show is just not that so they say racy That now Ryan seaborn. We'll go see bunches of the Blanco. Oh yeah okay so I guess she gets. Awesome Alan Point yes. I've seen a lot of praise verbally like one of the greatest characters in television history. This and that might be the case but boy did it take a long fucking time to get there so I am not like I will fully admit that when I sit down. I'm being going into it like I don't have an open mind because I'm kind of like I'm very skeptical of the show. I find it very interesting. How good it can be but also how boring it can be. And I think it's just interesting case. Study for prequels and all and the lake where it's like You know what's why why even bother. Why not just get right into saw goodman? How much development is too too much development and all that shit so the people take it like super personal like they wrote better call Saul who can admit like I mean it? It's slow and slow is not always good though. It's not always good. Slow sometimes just fucking it. It goes through to if I if I stayed on. I would one thousand percent be a I stuck it out yet. It's a slow burn you right? I didn't stay on. Saddam saying skipping. Bill Shit right now with with the wire the wire has not grabbed me. And I'm scared to say 'cause I'm almost done with seasons one it's started at the beginning of quarantine and I'm almost done with season. One season one usually takes fucking three days. Yeah that ain't good. That's not a good sign. That's why I just wish we could people get so passionate about TV the way they almost do about sports. So it's very hard to have like a like a level-headed discussion. But there's something about these shows like the wire when you haven't seen it you try to go back. It doesn't seem to grasp people on a big scale individually. Some people like it. But something about it. Hold you back something about break. Better Call Saul. Kinda SUCKS THE BEGINNING. Something about you know these shows that just like I'd love a separate wall person or somebody to dig into. It'd be like pinpoint what the reasoning is because It's just it's obviously there's something it's not just like. Oh people you don't you. Don't appreciate good TV. I do something about this show. That doesn't capture you. I don't know what it is and you feel like such an idiot when you're like when it is universally considered like top five show of all time. Why isn't it good right? I feel bad about myself. But what's your taste John? We'll should taste. I've liked all the other shows. Everyone likes but for some reason. This was just not hit not there. Yeah last night was the series finale of homeland. Port told me he. He dove back in last thing. He wants a marathon yesterday. The whole season and watch the finale last night and he said you don't need any of the middle the middle seasons like they just Kinda Cut. The bullshit went right back to what made homeland homeland. It's all CIA stuff. No No Dana. No family shed and he. He swears that it got to act like old school homeland which season one of homeland. I'll put up against any TV show ever and even the first couple of seasons eventually once once they the problem was they thought they were going to kill. Brody had a hit on their hands. Didn't kill brody and then we're kind of like what the fuck do we do? And you could tell in the writing that they were like shit but that the first the first initial season and a couple of seasons they knocked out of the park and season I guess it season like eight by now if that final season is anything like the early ones. It can't be it it. I'll watch you give any and so I I honestly didn't know I saw today. I think like homeland stuff. I didn't rose back so let's not a good sign. That's a bad sign so I'm GonNa do it too. I love ice. I think I've seen every homeland. Except for the newsies. I fell off picked up when Quinn became like the focus and he was like the most bad ass character on TV and then kind of fell off again But clearly that's a show that should just wrapped much much earlier and would have been in the Pantheon of great TV shows but they tried to milk it and try to draw it out. And I'm sure there's actually get convoke against you. Get Your paycheck. Yeah that if you if I wrote a show right great show. I wrote a show. And you're like look we can end it right now. One season and you will be remembered as legend or we can do seven more seasons and you can get a Lamborghini you alleged having a dope fucking car that would make the alleged hosted together. Don't you were giving ten minutes ago nucleus employer? There's a scene in in better call. Saul. I watch those Mike. Urban Trout is going to a like a grief. Alcoholics anonymous like grief counseling type of group and he calls this one guy out for being a fraud. And it's like I mean Mike. Trout does things to me that I mean no woman no woman could could good. Batch is my favorite TV character ever by a mile so give me any tastes to him similar to Mandy Patinkin for you and I'll take it but God I wish we could have just like cut cut out all the other bullshit and better call Saul just for that because it would have been to me. It would have been just as good as breaking bad but slow in on. Mandy Patinkin that. I STILL WATCH CRIMINAL MINDS ON SEASON. Thirteen just as he was in the. I Not. The idea was good enough to do two seasons. I'll watch on TV. Watch it. Maybe thinking I'll finish up four and five of better call Saul and I'll and I'll report back but you know there's just something wrong with this show that if you can jump around like that and still get the vibe. It's fucking doing here. You know but breaking bad is for sure my number one show ever probably in my top five. Today is Tuesday. We Got Casey Radio Top. Five Tuesday for you. It's brought to you by death. Wish coffee I cannot give a better cosign than death. Wish coffee turning me into a little bit of a coffee person. Today I popped open a lightly. Sweetened cold brew can took it down and I've been. I've been ready to go today. Man That's that's not. My style is late last night. I was jacked up after the last dance. 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It's worth spending money on. What's worth that extra premium? What's worth that extra pay and feel like yes top fives or competition. We're always trying to win. But I feel like this. More importantly is we're going to put our minds together here to knock out a top ten list because this is all about what we are this is. Kabc radio this and you in a nutshell. We ain't broke boys we AIN'T GONNA BE POURS and we're willing to pay extra for Nice things for good service and we're not going to be cheap about it and so I feel like there's a ton of Shit here that I'm going to be. There's a lot that you're gonNA steal. There's a lot that I'm gonNA steal. I'm going to be upset that you have. You're going to be upset that I haven't but together we're GONNA put together a list. That's GONNA shame a lot of the boys out there. There's a lot of big world you should pay for. It's a difficult because guess what everything's worth the money and you just don't have it. Everything is worth the extra money. You just don't have to spend on everything so you got to switch it up. I WanNa say this though just so just so we can be clear about like. I'll give you an example of something I don't think is worth the money so that you know we keep it honest here. I don't think fancy Mexican food is is is worth it. I think we go to exact. Yeah I I think you're an absolute fool or fancy Chinese food. I don't like corn tortillas. Fuck OFF GIMME. GimMe a flour or two if you go to a restaurant and you pay like twenty eight dollars for some tacos. I think you are fucking asshole. I mean it's it's it's like it. The everything Mexican food is is like ground beef. Some SORTA Tortilla melted. Cheese can make that you can make that Taco bell can make that. I don't need to pay a dollar for that ship. Get THE FUCK. Outta here and Chinese food same thing. I know. It's monkey meat from the alleyway. I know I'm eating rats but it tastes just as good and to me. That's that's something where in l. The action return per dollar spent not even close towards spending big bucks. Who had the first pick that you do? I believe I went first last time. Honestly I wish I didn't have the first because there's so many good things here and so many that I am personally attached to that I feel like you know I might blow it. Okay Okay you want me to no no no fair's fair. I just just for the record. I have one two three four five six seven eight nine. I have exactly ten on my list so I go. I go to list right here. I have ten is. I've had so many I bet you we have like the exact same ten. I have stole many that. I've logged about over the years. So many that will get to but I think in the interest of of what I can speak to personally and what I really feel passionately about. I'm going to start off with with the man with you. Yourself your person. I think pain in for a good haircut is worth it. I think these people who are proud of themselves for paying ten dollars at super cuts. Guess what it looks like. You have a fucking ten dollar haircut and you spend all this money on your clothes. Spend money on shoes and those are things that you wear. You wear a shirt a couple of times. You wear some shoes for a little bit until they're beat up you. You're willing to spend everything all the other money on your appearance. But YOU'RE GONNA cheap out on the thing that's attached to your head the thing that you can't. I mean yeah you could put a hat on. That's about it otherwise it is. It's always on. You always wear your hair every single day. You should spend money on the cut. You should spend money on the products. And if you can't you can't but the people who can who brag about their you know I go to some guy who cuts it with the Buzzer. He doesn't even use scissors. You look like a fucking asshole guys like Portnoy. I'll I don't even spend a dime. I cut myself. It looks like you do dude. So the Ovidio Dave. You're like I can't believe he ever bragged about that hair. And I think a lot of people may becoming around as we've seen people have absolute fucking meltdowns starring quarantine. Not being able to get their cut on schedule Godal Professional. Get your haircut. Spend a little bit extra money by the way. Usually the people cut the hair. Well you can go longer in-between haircuts and so you actually. Maybe the money ends up evening out. But you know there's a reason why girls girls are the fair sex. They're the prettier hotter. Better looking sex. And they spend money on their appearance in their hair and their make up. And we don't and that's why we're fucking ugly so you have your hair to your head every day you bring your hair everywhere you go spend the extra money. Go to Fleishman Salon. If you're in New York City GO TO FLAVOR SALON DOT COM and go to the shop section and spend the money on the hair products on the shampoo. The Gumy's because it's worth having a full head of hair grow it out treated nice and look good every legal strong one very shocking one. Not as strong as mine cleaning people I I am going to die having never used pine Sol in my life or promise I make to you right now. How `bout after People Dust Mite? Who would do that but I'm happy when someone else does it for me. I'm going to die thinking that a duster is just a prop used in pornography's before they're cleaning lady there's all the dust will beat him. Yeah Albert. I'm never going to get on my hands and knees and clean the bathroom because it's like it's like two hundred dollars once a month. It is so fucking worth that money. And I'M GONNA throw in Washington for people on this with the stipulation. Oh no no. That's a separate. That's separate will. The stipulation is if you have a Washer and dryer. It's not worth it if you love to do it. In your basement like I have with coin-operated things in my new New York City apartment. I do have Laundry in unit as a as a qualifier for an apartment. I live in. But if you don't don't do it in your fucking basement to have signs in order for you. I have Washington Oregon. I've been doing washable because really. Yeah yeah first of all. It's broken right now and I don't think it's ever going to get fixed because we're in Korangi I asked. I asked the landlord ancient. Someone can come fix this and he said no chance But when I do have it I just I forget that I put it in the Washer and it smells like the re wash it and I put it in the dryer and then by the time I get home. It's been sitting in the dryer. So it's wrinkled I have to re dry it again. I never fold. It never put it away is not the wash. It's the fault I'm paying for the folds not art and it comes back in that cube they take all of your wardrobe and blasted down into this little perfect block. And it's it's like less than a dollar a pound in New York City. I can't take a book. Thirty FIVE POUND. I think she raises the price despite all on top of also trying to ruin my relationship The the CCC twelve my girlfriend. Forget the story I went into my washable with my girlfriend and she said Oh and this must be Caitlyn and I've never mentioned the women ever. She just took a flying guests at my girlfriend's name not thinking of Repercussions Visit. Shittu before sprinkled with a small T. shirt of or things that one just gave me completely the wrong clothes like there wasn't a single article that was mine like again. The the cost of washing fold is seventy five cents to a dollar fifty whatever per pound and also like your favorite shirt every six months. They're just gonNA steal it and that is the business and more but that was like a t shirt on. It's not yours. You GotTa get rid of that. I had to someone I had to take that back as just none of these closer minds. Fire Wardrobe that yet. It's not mine not my. It was in Miami. They have a designated driver washable bag it says laundry day on it very cute said everything was that it was back back a so wait. Where are we putting? That counts as as yours as well cleaning people. Yeah clearly my clothes. You're cleaning a cleaning person. A washing for. There's two separate things all right. I'll take the loss of old off the border just quitting people because all right well we just did the How about this? We're going to have our own top fives and we both get washing because we we just did Washington all right so then in that case my number two pick is one that I feel very passionately about moving people. If you're still logging your shit around. I know vital. Berg does his own moving because he doesn't have any belongings and he just gets his dad to come and move dresser and one bed and he's done but if you have a house full of Shit if you have multiple rooms if you have multiple pieces of furniture all your clothes all your belongings and you sit there doing trip. After trip up the stairs out the elevator drive in the u-haul truck. How about when people are driving trucks? Who have no idea how to drive a truck? And they're bashing into things and they're trying to use the the side mirrors because he can't look out the back. You are very unqualified to do this. It's like cutting your own hair. You're not a professional. You don't know how to do it. It takes triple the amount of time ten times the amount of effort. You're born with sweat. You're you're breaking everything because you know they wrap it up in there in the cushions and the bubble. Wrap your breaking your Tron ex smashing your cups in your plates. I will never and I I haven't either. I mean I probably moved into my first apartment by myself and into my second apartment by myself and then after that when I couldn't even really afford it I was still like it's worth it and once you're making decent amount of money. I can't imagine anything like if you have enough disposable income it's like hey do you. WanNa do like twenty four hours of manual labor or do you want to pay like eight. Hundred Bucks. I mean it's crazy to me no-brainer. I completely agree with you. Put have never done it so I can't. It would be disingenuous to put on my list. I've literally never use moving mind one day. One day you'll have enough shit you'll accumulate enough. 'cause I also feel like you just throw stuff out it's like could bring us with me or I could throw it in the garbage right. I I think when I move again. I don't think I'm GONNA use movers. I think it's like I'm not gonNA have any. I'M NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING IN OUR APARTMENT. I don't know the TV. I Dunno chair. I don't own coffee table. Don't on my bed I'm going to get a new bed anyways. I might walk out of my car and apartment with the backpack but her whoever you move in with will you move her shit yourself where you pay for movers to bring it. Moore's or you just or you're moving into a new place and you get the bed delivered and the furniture you know your fresh but either way someone is bringing your belongings into your new apartment except me. My belongings will call my best. That's all because you are. You literally just have a stick and bill like Johnny fucking apples the pot on your head and a stick full of Shit. I'M GONNA. Fbi AGENT WITH. A go bag. It's just stuff just my life in the bed ear to ear number three pick number two. Pick my number two pick white strips. Ooh That was not on my list. Okay White Strips do an amazing job as triggering your period of time. And don't because it's one of the few beauty products that like you can just point to a before picture and the after action. This is how different I look. It is is a no brainer. If you have I actually haven't had shipped in a little while. I'm I'm due for a white stripping but it's not your teeth match your is your the one minute. Yeah I'm a big words but like I said it's been a while I do. There was a time where I just wake up every day does doesn't it? Do they fix it? I feel like it used to hurt because it just ate away. The top layer your teeth right but in the way to like make that better. There's definitely I get the enamel sensitive once right. So there's I remember that once and being like Oh like the wind would blow and I'd be like Oh my God I take. Yeah I mean. That's that's one that you could spend a fucked. I actually can't do it because I have been ears and it doesn't do anything for veneers. It's you know you could be spending thousands on dental work or you could. Just get these fucking strips. That's almost a it's like a reverse is actually not how expensive are they? There's the bucks Yeah so it's like you could either go to the dentist and get crazy done or just spend it and do it at home and get the same results so it's actually like a cost effective. Spend the money. My three pick is any sort of handiwork plumbing electrician painting people who you could you. It would take me thirty six hours to paint these four walls of this room right here. You hire a Mexican guy to come with a roller and some Benjamin Moore drew from. Shit is done. It's trimmed its perfect. There's no they put the drop cloths down. They wrap it up. You're done. I'm not going to electrocute myself trying to fix the fuck chandelier aside from pouring drain down the drain. I don't know a fucking thing about plumbing. My Dad could build a house himself he could. He built a tree house. Once that was just a separate house. It had electricity running. It had windows. It had vinyl siding. It had it all. I can't do any of it because he never taught me how to do it because he will have to wrap up the job as fast as he could go drinks fucking Miller late but I my goal is to be able to spend money to get all that work done and not have to worry about it. Changing a tire fixing fixing the in the oil fixing the engine. Any sort of handiwork. On Your Car Your House your your plumbing all that shit pay somebody else do it. What am I fucking experts? Things away my number three. And it's a little bit of a loophole. 'cause it's not my money. Birth Control Noah is the big. One again is on money. Although it's it's it would be my money if anyone ever asked me to cover the price was just GONNA say Girls Propose. This idea to your. It can only be like a boyfriend really rob but if a girl came to me and said you know. Hey we're going steady now whatever you WANNA call it we're exclusive. We're not seeing people I will. I'll gladly pay for that and I'll pay a premium on top of it like here's some. Here's some walking around cash mixture. You take it on time every every day like go done. It's one of the best inventions of all. Time is the absolute no brainer. If the options the other options aside from birth control are condoms our children and no one really likes so I will pay the fifty bucks a month or whatever it is i. I don't know what the price of birth control is no clue now and it might be seven hundred dollars up there. I don't care you know what I would. I would even propose because it is like. I said it's tough. If you're not a full blown relationship what you do I would say like Bernie Williams Bernie Williams Skip Bernie Sanders in office right Bernie. Sanders became president and said all men. Now have birth control like tax. And you gotta pay an extra. I don't know like you said I have no idea by the way girls. Here's the loophole. Here's a racket. If you told me I gotta pay for the Birth Control. And it's three hundred dollars a month and it's only like fifty. You could tell me that. And just pocket to fifty. If if if a new president proposed that all men have to just give up an extra couple hundred bucks a month for birth control. I mean I'm done and even I make I don't have a girlfriend. I'm not having consistent sex but when I am is taking care of dawn that is I think one day we'll look back and realize that like the reason why women are crazy and their bodies are all fucked up is because we've been given it to them every fucking day for like thirty years but There was a meeting the other day that said like her. Like Oh my God my pussy so wet and then like my Dick. Inside the condom. Was this guy just staring out the window with a lot worse. Kids swear are alright. My the psychological talking about some other day with like women in the seventies like always being the houses scrubbing and it was just 'cause they're on like diet pills that were cocaine. That's why they were just cleaning fucking scrubbing and cooking and doing all the time. They were taking cocaine every morning. What a time all right. This is my fourth pick. See now. We're getting down to like. I don't WanNa leave certain things off my list I. This is such a no brainer to me that I don't even know if it if it's like if other people would qualify for the people paying for direct flights. Are there people who are like still being like? I'm going to save a few bucks and bounce around from like this layover in that layover. Is that prevalent enough to even make this pick? I don't think so. I don't think it is anymore. There was an apartment. I think we're we're pretty steadily the directly round so scrap that but if there's anybody else out there who's still paying like oh other stayed like Topeka Kansas for two hours before I get to fuck in La. Get the fuck Outta here. I will then go with and it's very very apropos right now. Toilet paper anybody. Who's out here trying to save like sixteen cents to get the one ply and you just wiping your ass with your fingertips because it rips through or you got the sandpaper all up on your ass crack. I mean anything. That's like a matter of single digit dollars or sense in some case that you're saving money on give me the two three ply eight ply. I WANNA be wiping my ass. Like a t shirt when it's all said and anybody WHO's skimming NAT in La Grandma out here with the coupon me like well. I get the and get the Scott One CLI- for you know three ninety nine instead of the double for four sixty nine. Get the fuck Outta here. Treat your asshole like treat the rest of your body. Spend a little money on it before. Yes my number four and I agree with me on this one. Take it to the game. I think I don't think it needs to be a good see. I actually think good seats. Probably overrated But just being in the building and obviously we're coming from different sides of this where I historic games. Yours would probably be opposed to change that a ticket to a big game winning the game. Yeah none of the almost all of migrates nights in my life started either Or game that we already had to do all of like there. The the stories you get out of those nights in the motions you happen. Those evenings are absolutely priceless absolutely priceless. I mean yeah when I think of the Games I've gone to the one that sticks out the most in my mind was two thousand eight. The mets get eliminated on the last day of the year to have a second collapsed after the two thousand seven one. And then it was also the Shea Stadium's last day so they still went through with the ceremony and had Mike Piazza and Tom seaver out there. Like pulling a like unveiling the new Citi field by pulling a cord so that the curtain drops in all this shit like this is the worst fucking experience in my life and I could have. I remember thinking like I could watch this at home with my mom and my brother and the in my superstitious spot or I can go to the game I went to the game. And that was my fucking rewards so yeah totally totally disagree with you on this one. They're very different. But if anyone's been to like the billy what you do after always crazy the pre-game before is always fun. There's there's never been I. I only got. I've been to a big game whereas like this wasn't worth it. The atmosphere is fucking. Is You Ilar? You're you're talking about an era. That's unprecedented that's why no one else can relate. Nobody else except Boston is not just past Games. Where like pats gave me and hangs up the Super Bowl. Houston me and hang. Bought our tickets to and the like that was. We went to the party after we saw fucking missed three of five. Wheezy fucking Sean. Thornton came up and put us both in a headlock. Were you play for the Florida Panthers? There was little you're in the There's like I mean I could go on forever about it but like starting when my brother went to game three now game two of the world's theories or since I've been on like I've been to a lot I'd look you have to go a lot of big games. Not One of them. Was I like that which I don't buy that ticket? All right my last pick here. I got a few things left which means unfortunately something's GonNa get left off but I feel very passionately about this one. It's similar to like your hair because you're gonNA use it every Goddamn day and it's very Time time appropriate because of my mandrake buying a three hundred and ninety five thousand dollar mattress but spend some money on a good bed. Spend some money on a nice set of sheets a good down. Comforter AWAITED BLANKET. Gravity blanket a nice set of pillows. You're going to be in your bed every single goddamn night. Final breaking go sleep on a wooden floor. Let him be Jason Born. I don't sleep on a fucking plane. I can sleep easily about a moving train. You can sleep on top of a plane like not even inside the plane like strapped onto the wing and final burger policy. May I want a nice comfy bed? That's hard to get out of in the morning that you love to crawl into at night. GimMe the new bamboo sheets. That keep you nice and cool. GimMe the moisture wigging. Cool sensitive pillows all that shit you know people were freaking out about drake. Drake has a three hundred ninety five thousand dollar mattress but when you think about it on average person will spend like thousand bucks on a mattress right so think about if you made like fifty thousand bucks and you spent a thousand on your mattress as one fiftieth year money. If Drake were to spend one fifty of money he should have a three million dollar bet so ninety five thousand dollars that's fucking ashtray. Money man his his mattresses made out of horse hair like Egyptian this and that and it's all like extra a extra coils and springs. I love it I would. I would hit a ball out on a mattress and a bathroom one day. Those are the two things that I want to waking up sucks every morning every morning you open. Your eyes sucks because your bed. The doesn't I slept a nice beds before best bets. Ira slept in any hotel bed. Great pets garbage. Who Cares? It's you're not going to be you. Don't wake up in a good mood. Bed doesn't change that actually. Sometimes if a too good I go to sleep so deep. I don't move a rollover at all and I wake up after being totally still for like ten hours all fuck. I can't even move now. That's how I wake up. Every morning I move in my sleep and I wake up every morning about three quarters of my bed. Half my bed is just laptops. The sweatshirt worn the bed. A book. a spitzer tin bottle uh-huh everywhere on my best rats and bugs crawling around in there. I don't make my bed. I'm not like a fancy you know but a good a good mattress like my room. I think my room is the coast. Fucking Room in the world is pitch black. I got the blackout curtains. I got a nice noise machine. The temperatures perfect. The BET is perfect. The the the sheets blankets pillows. It's it's it's an experience to be in my bed last pick for you vital might number five and this is actually kind of be like yours. I don't know if it's prevalent enough if it's not backup spotify premium yet. No you're still listening to music. Where a commercial on every three songs. It's it's out they were. You can't listen to an album. You can't skip songs. That's fucking. I used to drive back to Boston. My sister a lot and she didn't have spotify premium. It got the point where I offered to pay for. She ended up heads of pride so she ended up paying for herself. But I I can't keep taking these ride with you if I have to listen. Fuck in commercial It's just one commercial. It's not that big a deal but it's everything it's they're so they're so intrusive it's like you go from like one of your favorite songs to being like. Do you need like books on tape or whatever it is like. Oh my God the fuck it ruining the experience with you any apple music spotify. Whatever if you're still I used to be the opposite when it was like when you're still talking about buying individual songs back when you could still do like beast share and all the download links and Shit I was. I didn't care out like I don't pay music but now streaming service I mean. Come on if you can't pay that you shouldn't even exist. What were what were your others. Might Honorable Mentions kind of similar to music paying for a pay per view. I'm not streaming. It bit torn tting the movie. I don't WanNa Watch it on. Reddit or a periscope. I can pay the hundred dollars. Chinese subtitles direct others. Would when people yell you we talked extensively when people yell at you like Dude you pay you paying for things. That's worth the money paying for the good quality. I want the real version of on the studio version of whatever that is. I'll pay you the six dollars for the movie I'll pay. I'll pay the fifty bucks a year for the athletic. I will pay for kind of paying for content worth the money. And even there's something about the the expensive ones are actually probably not worth it like. When I bought I bought fucking Tyson wilder on and I ended up watching it on standard DEF and it was like this was not a good experience but I didn't have to be the broke boy being like. Send me the link and like the fucking brogue. Whatever it's like. I just paid for it because I can earn. A nice suit is probably worth it like like having I mean I'm not saying five thousand dollars suit wants you can afford that for you. Look awesome but yeah come on kind of fifteen hundred dollar pants. But I think looking sharp in a suit handiwork direct flight and I think like a quality jacket like a winter jacket. That's you know. Canada goose shift is like eight hundred. Nine hundred bucks but you wear it. All winter long agree with that one because when I wear winter jacket I always wear open because I can fit underneath as long as the rest of. It's warm you could probably pop it. Open see the Fed man and this is one that started cooking dude having. It's the difference between like look at my apartment and when I cook at home. Here is insane my apartment. I'm fucking. I'm just having a knife and I'm just pushing it through fucking potatoes. It's I'm not cutting anything. I'm just pushing a metal object through his potato walking through buttons yet. I agree with that. That's co knives and shit are so expensive because they last like a thousand years but you giving that answer is proof positive that you're like an old man who's about to die being nice set an. I've only I've actually. It's not us but I bet you answer for a lot of people will be like a good grill and a good set of SPATULA and Tom grow master and for us. I bet a lot of guys will say that we also had uber. Because it's just like I only want people don't spend money on but just we offsetting in Uber Versus Dui Uber's worth everything and sometimes forget about a Dui like we'll go out in Manhattan and people like you know what what trainer you catching. I'm like I'm drunk. You expect me to go to grand central. Wait another half hour for a train. Sit there drunk and get home at two thirty in the morning or spend like thirty five bucks to get home like that. I mean come on that speakers speakers with my record Blair. That's like making me made me like like music again. I Li- I any time. We say the phrase my record player. Fucking love it. I just got Johnny Castle. Some prison Live in folsom. Prison follow it will stop you. Have of course you did. And then my last one was boost which is obvious. Like you'd think like a your well drink verse. It tastes completely different. I that's one of the things. I got. Ian Colleague of blue drinking their night Exceptional I'll line worth. It is like the technology restricted is very noticeable. Yup No hangover goes down smoother. I'm totally on board with you either. So either way. That's the top like ten to fifteen things that I think is. 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Burg's data deadly touch all salvage ship. Where the new plug row? It's GonNa be us so. This is our first ever callback. Anti nobody better to lead the charge than last week's phone call Where we had the girl who said that she set her apple. Watch timer to give herself a a challenge to see how quickly she could get this guy off and get out of his apartment. We had some questions we we. We have some thoughts. So we're GONNA call her up now and get some answers. We're going to do an old old old school style here. Just put it on voicemail. Peron Speaker and chatter. Hello Hello how you doing? We're good you. Are the first ever caves radio callback so you should be honored. You are a part now part of KFC radio history. We've been talking about calling our our listeners. And our and our voicemail people back and you are the very first one. Are You honored. I am honored. You should be but I'll we are equally honoured because that was a now Kevin looking at a great move by get this number. That's our pitch man. I mean we'll do a phone call on camera and we'll do it all cameras. Well glad the wheels spinning here but your voice mail was so legendary and let us to have quite a few questions so we figured we gotta hear directly from your mouth so first off. Let me just ask you. What was your reaction when you heard US ANSWER? Your Voice Mail. And what did you think of our takes and all that nonsense I am. You wished I heard my voice. All Jesus H here we go then I got like a separate little nervous that he would hear him but he does of the podcast so then I was like Oh God I don't WanNa get the end of the stick and then I was like whatever action on air. You're taking I mean that's fine. I don't think I agree. I don't think he knew. I don't think he was aware why you think he. He sends you any any loud. Arche metered parking meters yet. But he didn't he waited till I wait until after the fact you're not gonNA stop me when don't work penas in their mouth or that's a that's a hard and fast rule. Let let the grow the peanut your mouth finished and then we discuss the details for those people who might not have listened A. She said her apple. Watch to time herself when she ran into. This guy's apartment see how quickly she could get him off and get out and he noticed that there was a timer on the on the watch. Her Excuse was oh. I just need to set the timer for my my parking meter and on the way out. He said by the way there are no parking meters. I think that was a clear indication. Maybe that maybe he didn't know O- obviously she's she's timing. How long it takes for me to get off. Dig Deeper Right. But he knew something was up. He knew like obviously something. He didn't CARE ENOUGH TO DIG DEEPER. Us All to hang out. I gotta go like okay. Let me let me ask you a couple of questions again. Same ones I asked before but now I have you here to answer them. You did this during Corentin yes. Yay Look. I'm not proud won't right but I'm not I'M NOT GONNA. I'M NOT. I'm not holding you owner. I'm not making you over the coals for that. Nobody cares what you bro. Yeah whatever my point is that if you're GONNA go and do it and break the rules or whatever. Why not make a Night Adam? And get your money's worth and hang out and chalk and and get some social interaction now. I thought about that too but he was someone I knew. Obviously I mean like friends with and like right before quarantine like he would always hit me up like I know. He's like definitely been like all my friends. Dmz Not something that like. I WANNA like not incoming traffic to him. Obviously I enjoy giving hand so I was just make whatever I was. That was my second question but I think he kind of answered it no interest in in you get anything personally out of it. You're down just give the head and that's it. I it lacked like before. Look I don't really want you not. I don't know our quarantine has had we in the mood but I just like giving hand great urge. They'll turn on when you walked in. There was out of a movie like where you kind of like showing up in like a fucking trench. Go with nothing. Andrei like pushing him in the chest. It's time for business. How how did the transit? I like I can knock on our front door like a dorm man for I like having a mask on and I'm like Oh my God sending me and then like when I first time in his house ever he was like room two thirty McKay. Great like boom walk into thirty. When do bedrooms get it left with? How does it happen? You just like sit out suck you take like how. How does someone walk into? A A a humble abode and just immediately have opinions name out there I think a little wine and dine in like you know I get behind glass warning before I went over so you pre game. This event intrigue game. Yeah Yeah I've had I've had an interaction Where you know a clear booty call situation that I at least attempted to make you know like I had a couple of glasses of wine poured. She she was on a tight schedule. We sat down the TV was on and she looked at me. It was like week. We don't need to do this. Let's just go and okay all right but I mean the effort I at least tried to fake it. You know when you and I talked about it because you trying to get my parents to begin with. I mean it loud and clear like I thought you can. I appreciate you trying to move me. But but here's what's funny. He he didn't get in your pants. You only got in his well. I mean whatever as long as you're you know you got off because you like doing it. He obviously got off in under nine minutes so he's happy. Do you think there was any feeling like I was joking? But only kind of half joking that that happened to me. I might feel a little bit used. I J K kind of made me feel a little bad because I didn't want I mean but like not really bad. Don't worry no no. I mean you're you're literally the opposite but what I would be like. God Damn you just treated me like a piece of meat. It's all does nice now on podcast and talking about I get that might change but with a nice story. That's really the important thing here. Anything that happens in your life like that's going to be a great deal at the bar and I wonder if he if he said to his friends like dude. She said it was for the parking meter. But I don't have parking meters. Do you think that she was timing? How long it took me to come. What do you think is going on there? He's probably a little bit himself. Probably that's okay. He'll survive your goddamn right. What would you say obvious? Is I believe the first time you've ever actually recorded. What would you say your record is? I don't know that was pretty great and I went in there. You know a parked my car and then started it like I went. Yeah so you're doing. You're doing car to car. Took an elevator to the second floor. I details now. I hate big elevators. One Who use me to meet? Ya you only changing one floor. You take the stairs you time. Okay I I mean honestly you probably could have gone faster. If you've run up the stairs you should have been out of breath. So you went. You went car door to car door. Eight minutes thirty nights. So what would you oh you? You were snapping the whole time. I was like tree tree in the car that I contact. My friends are like all right. Go in his house over under ten minutes in that when we know. How long would you say the actual act went down? I would say probably five six minutes. I mean sometimes I think you know if if we had quicker like like trying to make it that quick. Right Right Is More of a like A. I don't know now I don't know if you heard final Bergh's take but he. He guarantees that not only. Would it be less than a longer than eight minutes that you might not even finish the job period? I'll babe ruth this album. I heard that before and I have true all those wrong show and haul out okay. Well in that case let me also say then. There is no way you could do this to me. No chance I love competition and I love proving people wrong so in that case I will call you back again a little bit later. Okay all right. Well thank you for being the first recall back. I think people are GonNa love to hear the the extended director's cut edition here so thanks so much and thanks for listening and calling in. Kershaw guys having goodbye number rocket letter all right time to get into our new voicemails now. I think that went just about as As well as possible the details that we I was not aware of her going car door car door in eight minutes takes this from impressive to immortal dude. I couldn't go car door to front door. Eight minutes negative interested in the streets. I'd be looking at my phone in the elevator and I'd fuck you just go past. That have come back down. It takes if I'm going into a new apartment in Bentiu. Ten minutes minimum getting in just to get there and that's why as impressive as our caller is. I've got to give credit to the to the subject as well. It would take me eight minutes. Stephen Get my Dick sucked into to get to the first part. I mean he was. He was ready to rock. He must have had his Roman handy because that is a quite defeat by him and I don't know she's she's still convinced that he didn't know maybe he didn't like full-blown think this girl's chronicling at under snapchat. She's talking to a girl friends about it. Maybe he he wasn't even thinking. Like how quickly did I bust my nut? But there had to be some something running through his mind like she's on a tight schedule and trying to get out of here on purpose if someone wasn't if he didn't realize something was afoot took someone women in five minutes. Let's say took her minute. A half each way in five minutes came into his Peterson left. I'd know something was was going on. This is that was not normal. Interaction right even. Yeah even if there was no clock. I think I'd be looking around being like was that a setup that I just like somehow get me to buy accidentally what what is that was. That was a sting operation right there but no I mean that's one of those. It's too good to be true situations except she. She's like a Unicorn man it's like okay. I don't get it but as long as you're down and you're happy so am I. So let's get into our new voicemails. They are brought to you by Roane apparel if you haven't heard about Rhone yet you're really missing that I'm talking about the human end. The clothing apparel both of them are pure greatness because Wrong greatest battle rapper of all time. 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Hey Hey grown other grown adult get me more. Give me another gift. It's now let me ask you this though. What if you found out that there? What if tomorrow they announced Major League season is done? We're GONNA offer. We're refunding everybody and you knew that. She got the money back in her pocket. Does that change the situation? It should but it doesn't it. It's it's the thought that counts and dry. They got your fucking Your I mean if got your you've got you've gotta change a job which is like so fucking juvenile. Guess you will but like. Hey how about how I will move up to. Tuesday's evening at that's all you can swing the. Yeah you're right. You're you're entitled well. I don't know 'cause a gift really is. It's only about showing it's not really about the spending the actual dollars it's showing you. I love you this many dollars as Michael Scott said and its own you. How many dollars? She loves you. She spent the dollars. She has dollars back but she's shown you. I am willing to spend this amount of dollars on you. You know what? We're one of my favorite moves. My favorite broke boy moves when I was younger when I was in college. When I didn't have any money had a girlfriend. It was time to get a gift. I did this so many times. Such a scumbag move but I did like four times getting a girl like a like I would make cutesy card. Sometimes I would even like out is a paper and I would be like. I'm going to get you to tickets to like your favorite Broadway show but I'd be like I couldn't I couldn't. I didn't know which night you were going to be free at. Didn't know if we're going to have to work so you can go ahead and pick the tickets out but here here's two little like vouchers to this Broadway. Show and then she would never end up getting them and and I would never actually have to spend the money but in the moment she was like. Oh my God. That's so cute. Another bucket do it and I was like my recently cancelled a European vacation. I don't even remember what holiday is presently oriented that's four. I don't know if it was a birthday was Valentine's right. I don't know what that score but it's just it's just something I did like. We'll go advocation mazing. She went home. She bragged who were friends. We're going to Europe. I'm going to Broadway. I'm GONNA see this. I'm going to see that I got an IOU right here. And guess what you ain't never actually cash it image. If you didn't expect the Democratic Digits Imagine I would love Peters not renew Tampa going to Tom. Brady's we can't do country. I would love a a sitcom where like what if what if you knew. The pandemic was coming. And you're like I'M GONNA go. We're going away. I like knowing that. No fucking shot. This happens he was gonna take me to the Eiffel Tower. No no we weren't no fucking shot and I was ever happening so I mean by the way. I think. This is a total double standard. I think if you're a guy you have to be much more prepared for this. Actually come to fruition to get your girl like something else. 'cause I think she might be expecting it guys guys. It's like celebrating birthdays. Girls do it guys. You can't do it getting a a second gift guys. You don't get to do it but you're going to have to do. This is the very next up on your. Who's the the Dream Road trip through for me? I'm going probably fell for the Dennis Rodman stories. And I'M GONNA say Charlie Sheen's cocaine that is the worst crew I've ever heard. Sampled that repond crew. Dave chapelle would fucking no. No no no no Dave chapelle hate. You should hates everybody. You think that Dave Chapelle wants to to road trip with you being like Dave Dave. Do remember that time in half baked. You said this. Hey Hey man. Why don't you do that skipping? Chapelle now he would fucking hate your guts. Dennis Rodman I. I mean you can't understand anything. He's saying he he'll probably forget who you are half the time. Forget where you're going. What the point of the road trip is and Charlie Sheen. He might go like tiger blood and fucking kill. You knows terrible crew. As someone who's met one of these people I would not want to be on a road trip with his actually hours in the car with him. We couldn't half an hour conversation. I was like Whoa. That was well. I need a break at eight hour road trip. No fucking way that that did break bake me. Come with the not. Come up with remember the question. Casey texted me last night though she said. Do you think in your partying prime. You could've you could've run with Rodman in Vegas and I think I could do it right now you are. You are pretty talented in that department. I could is but I could I I could do for long afterwards. It's like party with anybody for week after week. Like I can't do anymore but I can. I can wake up for you today. November I could. I could yeah. It would be my idea. We're going to run for a week. But if you're let's say for a week I'd saddle up with you. I could drink with anybody in my prime like mid twenties. I could drink with anybody. I didn't do enough drugs to be able to say that I do like seventy two hours straight benders up all night I would. I could drink for a night. Go TO SLEEP. Wake up hungover drink again. I can't do like the continuous like through every night. Yeah the drugs and all that shit I would not be able to hang but I for one night like just drinks wise doing shots and all that in my prime yes now no fucking shot. But I don't even know if I would want I mean. Would you want to feel like Robin Goes Hard Man? Har I would want to for the story. What I wanted to come back into. They ran with Rodman for four days. Straight do you remember in in Miami? The Super Bowl this year like like I feel like I'm doing this for the story and it's awesome but like I don't WanNa go out anymore. I don't want it but I have to. Do I feel like that would be like time to south was Rodman? Yeah well you know you're getting a story that's invested like what I was going out Miami. It was an investment. Like I didn't know who was going to happen. I might just strip club and bully rob. I know something you know. You're going to get him. Yeah I mean. He was by the White Bill. Simmons and Ryan Russillo saying that Dennis Rodman's not an interesting person. Do I heard the argument. Well so I listen to podcasts. It sounds like they're point. Was that last. Night's documentary didn't tell US ANYTHING NEW WHICH IS DIFFERENT ARGUMENT. That if that's the case you're not articulating that well on twitter at all but B. I disagree unless they already knew that Vegas Story. The story of of Carmen Electra needing to hide in the hotel room while Michael Jordan. Who by the way Nj being like other get? I'll go I'll go to. Don't worry we'll do it fail. Don't worry like they'll be like no. We can send some assistant coach. No I'M GONNA leave two days early and come back and say late but I'll get him. Don't worry the autumn. Mj Banging on a hotel door and electrolyte hiding under the blanket being like. Oh if you knew that story already and you're bored by that documentary. God bless you but to say that like the last twenty five years of Dennis. Robin hasn't been interesting. I could not think of a more incorrect take. He is fascinating in every way so. I feel like if that was a celtic. By the way Bill Simmons would not be having that take and I don't really know what Ryan Russillo allegiances but that felt like a a contrary intake to like to stir the pot. 'cause I just what's not? He's the total opposite of every boring athlete. Ever so I don't know what the take is doesn't think things in our I. If he gets he never really said anything. Profounder interesting that I'd be I'd I'd listen to that. Take their okay. I'll hear this out. He did he was very right. He was the watch. But whether you like look like that's an interesting guy. I like. He's interesting interesting study. I'm just trying to play devil's advocate. They might have I. That's all cross my mind. That like he when he talks he actually says the opposite of you know he's mumbling and kind of like you but we're really getting word. That's a semantics battle here. We're really splitting hairs. If we're going to say that like he's not interesting person because he doesn't give great like soundbites when you learn his story how improbable his career was how you almost killed himself. How he changed the culture how he knows where grace by the way. I didn't realize that like he got traded because he tried to kill themselves not didn't get the Guy Therapy didn't get anything you just like. There's your that. Blood is not going to be shed in Michigan. That right right on our hands he go kill yourself at the Alamo Kip. Fuck on air. I mean that to me though. He is for for guys to work in media who know how boring athletes can be with their canned responses and I mean just the mere fact that Jackson Jordan and pippen were willing to let him how. What a move that is. I got to go to mega guys. It's in the middle of the season. Go TO VEGAS THE AUSSIES. An now and they were like okay. Just come back credible. Totally interesting buckeyes anyway. Back to the original comment here. Best Road trip crew. I might have to think on this one Lack really I find to be interest annoying. I Jang Mike. Kills me I think. Jaguars very funny never really wasn't the reason. If we're I think Jack Black does a great fucking restaurant run. I Bet Jack like on the back of the car with a bucket serious snacks. Okay and then. I'd have a Jack Black drought. Nixon tried next impact fucking hammer lips. He's gone back Blogs right he's like don't worry as I got tobacco we're straight here and then Steve Martin to play the Banjo. I am going to politely. For like the first time ever defy like defer this. I'm not answering and there's no can. Even how did you leave voicemail Jack Black Trot Nixon and Steve Martin on deck like that? I don't know Steve. Martin Steve Martin fucking crazy interesting. He seemed like somebody on by the way you want him just playing the Banjo in the car. That sounds Steve Over have some Jack. Snacks and Steve Martin. I imagine we're doing this approach. Zona and But I've read Steve Martin's book born standing up and he's just fucking interesting dude but he wouldn't be he would be. There will be stories. He wants to tell he's a storyteller right not not like a comedian like he's a comedian but not like a year act like just like keep wanted tell stories told me about like. Robin Williams. Tell me about you know Dana Carvey and Yeah Yeah. Yeah he's he's got a lot of Looks like a guy who likes to share them and then And then yeah the Banjo on the side of the road doing incredibly specific and I guess Accurate List Trot. Nixon is unbelievable. But your point is right about having storytellers in the mix. Because that's the that's the key to a good anytime I've ever done a ski house or specifically ski houses because we used to drive to like Vermont when we would like Jersey Shore Hamptons not that long of a trip but when we would drive up to Killington or stall or whatever. I always enjoyed the drive there and back more than the weekends. Like the anticipation was fun. And the recap when like the girls were gone. You get like a few close friends back in the car. You don't have mixed company and you re tell the tales. That's always the part I'm going to. I'm going to put together my list but I gotta give it some thought that trying to hang with fuck and Mr Freestyles last voice mail. A day is brought to you by Zebra now. 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Can we sleep in a different room or can you assure me that this is not gonna get out but I am not trying to be in the same room as Boa constrictors and pythons and you know what it's not even because I might die? It's because of the headline. I don't ever want to be one of those white people dead headlines Whereas Weizer at it again he was sleeping in. Snakes ended up dying. What an asshole. So I just want to try to not have an embarrassing white people. Death and sleeping in a room of snakes is one of the fastest ways to have that happen. It's it's one of those things here. Where like sitting on this couch right now now. I wouldn't do it in a girls bedroom. She's got spanked war. I'm GONNA do it. It's like there's nothing that could be. I her bed could be like a bed made of nails with. Will you know like they used to do? Gives Book of World Records? You get like some rogue on your chest Yeah fucking nails whatever. It's like look for my deal. Not Not my perfect situation here. But it's fucking there's there's nothing. There's just nothing that once. I'm I'm committed by if I'm learning of snakes in your room but it's not GonNa play issue for me. It depends on if we've had sex style because if I've come I'm not sleeping in a room snakes. I'll know that I am because of my my fucking wilty even if even if you want me to get the fuck outta there. I'm so into like stereotypical women weren't comfort so I'd be like well. She wants me to go. I'm fair fair. Actually because the running out of the room is definitely tough. But I'll say this then I will not literally be able to sleep. I'll stay in the room and I will sit there in my bed looking at the stakes being like nobody. I'm not much like the bed situation. I'm talking pass out in a heartbeat. I'm not scared of snakes. I look I don't want one in bed with me. I don't I wish I'd refer you to known one or whatever but like I wouldn't like to see one of the wild all these things. I'm not like I love snakes but I'm not scared of a snake engage. Either it's it's fine. I watched the show Outer Banks. It's one of the worst shows that's ever been on Netflix. But everybody's watching it and loving it and there's a scene where they're like goonies around like a hunt and there's a scene where they're in a cemetery and like a ten foot python swint comes out of a mausoleum and they all like us jump back and then they're just like the snake goes away and they're like all right let's keep going and they just go into the mausoleum where there was a ten foot snake. That just came out the most unrealistic thing I've ever seen I with fucking I will. I will probably stay in that room but I will not fall asleep. I will not be happy about it and I will probably never see you again. I am not a snake guy not not spiders guy like just knacker snake people on the Snake Person. I like snake. I think people are always like look. I like the idea of snake people. 'cause woman I like people who will hate me and like attacked a girl covered in tattoos not going to be a fan of John. Vital breaks girl won't snakes Maccabi advantage on Guess what I love like the Cliche like you. You don't love me. You love the idea of me. You don't want a girlfriend. You want the idea of girlfriend. I don't WANNA SNAKE I. I love the idea of thinking all right. That's it for today. No guests just us hope you enjoyed. It will be back on Thursday for some of the assholes some Some voicemails and guess for you and they say look at what you see her face. Oh with the end.

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Ashley's Game

Sports? with Katie Nolan

1:55:13 hr | 3 months ago

Ashley's Game

"Sports with Katie. Nolan is presented by cores light beer made to chill celebrate responsibly cores brewing company Golden Colorado by the way with Dan came home because he'd been gone for so long myrtle out of excitement, and then as I was telling him like. Oh, she picked her up. She dropped to the ground and rolled around in it. It was. Discovered! Cowley. Hello legos. Welcome to sports. podcast question of of the question I'm Katie. Nolan she's Ashley? He's J. Hello Hi. This is today's question. hitting your washing the Chicago Washington at wfl game. Her started back to fun game. Ned? I am tired. It's ten thirty and I. Do like eight or nine hours of construction work in Alabama, heat and humidity today. For now. In what scenario or is there a scenario where it's okay to turn a game all just? Go to bed. Especially, she can't record it. Respectable option to just fight through and baby fall asleep on the couch. Any race. Media by. What question I believe! The name was M. G. Anti. A great question and you're going to get a variety of answers from this panel. Can tell him. We'll start with the with the most generous unkindest answer, which is going to come from Ashley. Ashley. What's your answer? When is it okay to just yet your sleeve? Sleep was the most important thing ever. My goodness if it's not like. In, elimination scenario where you need to watch your team, and you can't wake up. No, like whether or not. They're still in it. then go to bed like especially. If you're waking up in doing more work again tomorrow like that's tear if it's if it's like a Friday night, and you don't have to work the next day maybe like soldier through it, but get your sleep. Jay. Where do you stand on this issue? Well? I feel like I've never had a dvr so like usually if I'm GonNa Watch a game, I need to watch it. Live so I'm very for the stay up for the game scenario, but it actually is usually the reverse for me. It's actually like a wake up super early to watch a game as opposed to getting up staying up late. which I feel like you know that there's a parody there. But like. There have been scenarios in which like I have set alarms for four thirty in the morning, so that I can wake up and watch a Manchester City, game. and. You know I have slept through that alarm a couple of times I will admit. I'm not proud of it, but I have and. That's okay, because sometimes your body does take priority over the sporting event. But. Not Often I would say the sporting event takes priority. If you have the wherewithal sounds like Jay had hard day, so like a lot of days since she's GonNa have a lot of hard days. I've I'm the same my hardest hardest thing for me is waking up so like. Seven. Thirty is usually the earliest for Liverpool match. I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE IN LA when you're waking up at four thirty for. and. There have been days around Mike. Adjust can't or my body, my body when I wake up in the morning does is very convincing like it has a way of telling me that. No, you don't have to you. You'll be fine in the wake up and I'm like what am I mean? I'll be five forgotten how how to let myself I like talk myself out of stuff. That people make it sound like it's a lot easier to wake up early of WHOA. You didn't wake up for that game, but then when it comes to staying up late at night, people are like obviously. It was too late. I'd go to bed. You're talking to somebody who has who stayed up for that Red Sox game that went into like. So I think it was sox Yankees into one a million innings. Reached a point where we were like. Why are we even still watching? But I did, but it's also. You're talking to somebody who Has No problems staying up all night metro issue is the falling asleep so I agree with you Ashleigh in the sense that like if it's a game that means something is like a scenario in which like if they win their in or something like that you got to fight through it and stay up. I also feel like fall asleep on the couch. Who cares might as well fight it fall asleep on the couch, and you wake up on the couch and then you go to bed. To Bedtime. That's Kinda Nice when you get to fall asleep again. also sometimes. It's nice to take a vacation from your bed sleep on the couch I. Did that the other night i? Did that on Fourth of July because I was afraid of Myrtle of the. Works going off? The night slipped here on the couch with her It's like a nice little big, especially in quarantine Nestle Vaca-, wake up somewhere else like. Is it over notes? Going to be going forever. But. Don't feel bad. The ten thirty start times on these NWF L. Games or blame the very stupid like the big gap between the earlier game in the later games very annoying. Manner stand him complaining about a sport and we only have a couple right now, so shouldn't complain, but. It is annoying so I. Totally get it in. Your job sounds very hard. Physically and so it's okay to saw. Try Your best. Try Your best because they need support. They can get, but. Okay you can sleep if you have to. Until we get down to it right and then you'd better stay awake. Coffee or whatever we gotta do. Stay awake APPs if you can when you can. have become a big NAP advocate anyway. Great Question? It If you listening it have a question, you can always live off a voicemail. She says very angrily at eight six. Six five five seven one. Hi! Hi, how we doing. I'm great hard house the House. It's so nice. Box Today ooh yeah got a mailbox. We didn't have one. which would have realized when you move in. The house it didn't and. Like A. Unique one like please streep thing now. On my block growing up, somebody had like a tennis, anyone male dogs, and it just got. It got hit with a baseball bat every other week on now I know it's A. It's a pretty standard funny J. It's a pretty standard mailbox. Good, but we realize that are a little more complicated than you think. Why Greco you'll just put it. They're I don't know. I never thought about how to put a mailbox. And before you have to like digging a hole for concrete, there's all these lake elevation like requirements and like distance from the curb, and like all this. It's really we're. GonNa we're GONNA. Pay somebody else to do that. Trump Henley didn't one that goes on your, House. A Front Yard Yeah. Them Mailman wrote on our male. My House, you. They wrote at her side Yeah. You're probably going to get anyway. They did put the wrong address in stickers on on the mailbox was like. It's not it's not the address for. That right, a helpful to you nailed about you know sixty percent of it. They did the part that you miss stop-go. You didn't do the part. You could've easily done right. Which is why we didn't really pitch a fit when? You thought. Big Day. For us. Thank you a letter. That would be fun family. I gotta get your address wrong and make sure. Jailers' new with you. Are you still in New York? Here haven't found any houses to live in, so I have my own house which okay good! Yeah everything's Fine Fourth of July a lot of. A lot of just you know people lighting fireworks in the street. Let's talk about it. How at this point? Who Still I'm acknowledging that I am thirty three, and so I am over it and that there are kids whoever who still might need and enjoy. But who is still loving fireworks? I mean I don't even like the spectacle of fireworks anymore like even just like when you look like you see a couple of like. Oh, that one's pretty or like Oh that one's nice, but then eventually the explosion sound starts to get so unsettling that like the enjoyment of looking at them in the sky especially when? We were sitting at my friend's terrorists. We were all very distant from each other, and like little pieces of shrapnel would fall from the sky, and like well onto the because there were literally leaving them from like the street next door, and so it'd be like this is not worth. This is not worth it. I think firework efforts need to be coordinated and regulated like I. Think they're really felt like this year. They cancel a lot of fireworks to try to keep people from going outside. And all it did was keep their from being a start time and time. Yeah, the fireworks, which as a new dog owner, let me say. Can. Appreciate because it was just like once. It gets dark. Just prepare for the fact that it's going to be all. It was like one am, and they were still going off, and there was no rhyme or reason, there was no way to prepare. There was no way to know if it was gonNA. Keep going or if it was done for the night, which is why slept out here like it was a law and I know. Their dogs, but it was just like constant fireworks, and then macy's or whoever it was announced that they're going to do random ones throughout the week. These little pop up firework shows. We got one. In hoboken. It was so loud an unannounced and everybody was like. Why would you think in this current social climate that that's a good idea to have an unannounced fireworks show? It's like that thirty rack up, said where Jack Does the Rockefeller, center, salute the fireworks, and everybody thought there like what what? What what's happening, so? He guess for the ice cream truck by mayhem can. You give something. POPs! Because the two times run by the. Ninja. Turtle one turtle. Ice Cream Times. Before they go really fast like like. What are you doing here? A chance to like? GET OUT FINISH UP. Their roots can get back into. My pitch for fireworks is they all? Start exactly the same time like in the whole town or city. They are from like. Nine to nine six and the only finale so. Now at the same time and you're done, you hold on dogs versus. Yeah Creo, okay good nine chevy like any other noise, complaint and noise regulation like don't think you're allowed to like. Do Construction One. In New York City I have heard them do construction insane hours night, but there's gotTa. Be Some sort of ordinance of like you cannot just all night. Like how can you call the cops on like my neighbors? Having allowed party, but you can't say anything. You know what I mean. Yeah, I don't even as I said. The phrase called the cops in like. It's testy right now. I just mean like how is there? You can call an authority in. Somebody can get in trouble for being too loud at a certain hour, but explosions outside or like. Always. Like, it's terrifying. It's terrifying. It's loud in. There's no way to plan your day against it. I'm with you on having like a start time and an end time. I'm also with you. We were talking about this on the fourth of July. 'cause you texting. You're like house. Myrtle holding up Italy was it. That does silent fireworks yet. There's some there's a town in Italy that does not like completely silent, but they're significantly quieter like because of the dogs which I think. Why not do that everywhere those exist. Why don't we use those? What is the I? Also don't understand. How those work, but I also understand fireworks. Science that's. What they invented. It just know that they use them so I mean. We don't want to give credit Italy although I'm always down for that. Also we've never thank them. Enough offer spaghetti so. Guys. There's a really really really good Italian restaurant by my new house. It's dangerously good. We've already ordered selfishly any like after dangerously. You have to say. I don't know that just me or. Just you yes, you in Chester me. Both are. On the same page, but anyway so dangerously Italian restaurant. What's the thing you get from there? Well? The first time I got the MARDIAN. Forget what it's called Brits. Limit has like the little pieces of Shuto. Loss I forget what it is, but it was really good, and then this most recent time. I got Fettuccini with Ara and the yet carbonaro. And then. Recently yesterday got the shrimp with the lemon butter garlic. But the Spaghetti and meatballs incredible. They've got Broccoli Rob, which is really just guys sounds good. Civilian place sounds that good pasta. And delivering. She just kissed her head. No, we drove there in our suburb car even. Burden crush. Drove there in our car. The Ashley Bourbon Story. That sounds pretty. We like played outside in our yard with a hose well that and played outside in the yard. You mean that your child is sprayed you in the face hose. Seemed Fun I wasn't in a bathing suit or anything I was just out there like you know solidarity, and then he's like mommy played. Sick love that actually felt wonder. He's got what t shirt contest instincts. That's great matches his haircut. I'm going on. A little bit I discovered I discovered a music for dogs. Oh. Yeah is like a playlist of music for dogs. If there's some more hit or miss like some of my bird noises in the minimum like my dog lovebirds, you can't be. She's just going like. Where are they here? But I had to play. I just played it really loud. which was a weird? I think the loudest Spa Music has ever been played was in my house on Fourth of July because it had to. Out booming, but also it was just that very like ambient. Musical and so it was like little alum. Snoop Dogg. It was It was like calm me rough riders in. Lake And we just had it on so loud like anybody. Walking by my apartment was what? We're having the the the softest massage. but yeah, that was a fun experience, so I just played video games, but with headphones on, and then turned her music onto the music. The sound from the video game would come through my headphones and she could just listen to her dog music. It worked pretty well calmed her down a lot. She scared a couple times. She hated the fly over the most. Which? I don't know what yours was like, but the flyover here in hoboken was like five rounds. It was dislike cool planes. Another set of cool points at each one was louder than the next one and. And look love. The troops known respecter of said troops. I don't need that. It's scary to me I. Don't like. Check out this military force that we have also. Your dog is terrified. Myrtle was scared for the next hour and a half after they flew by because there were so many that she was like. There's got to be more calming. Her food is usually by the door and she wouldn't go towards it. I'm telling you my dog, not going towards food. Is is rare. And it was, she was that scared so I had to rearrange the furniture for the rest of the day and close the blinds at like. The curtains at like three. And didn't open backup center freak out. It's such a weird practice because you think that's like A. That's a visual. Medium rare. It's cool when you can see it when Wayne's. How cool look that looks awesome, but when it's just over your house and you can't. See it I, mean we? We had pretty good view. I actually thought about that. Rosie O. lived in the city. You probably might not be able to see. I have a good view of the sky. They flew right by. It was very cool looking, but it also is like well. Those are really scary looking planes. What are what are we using those form? Who's what I bet other people when they see them come don't feel joy and excitement. Scary I feel scared also seems expensive and. You should go get ice cream he's. He knows he heard you talk to. She can tell. He's like let's go back. That lady wanted a screwball. Aso's were called right the the ones that are like account, but the bottom had fallen him. Oh, yes, pink, never even heard of that. My God that was what every time I had gone the other day and it was an edible. Speed. Like. I went to an. Labor, did you get yo? God? It was definitely be pollen. J It was Vegan Mint chip ice cream. What's good? What's Vegan ice cream made out of pardon, my ignorance. I believe this was made a joke nut milk. I want to say but you can make all sorts of different nut milks cashew milk, almond milk phrase nothing. Much. How Is that. Corruption. I just feel like nut milk doesn't. Have the cream factor that is necessary for ice cream. Ice Cream is like eight different dairy. I would I would I mean this is by and large that I had is. Definitely the best, not nuttiest the best begin. I've ever had in my life. It was very very good. This one. Have you don't want to answer to that question blots a lot I've had a lot Jay like I'm a thirty something. With dairy, it's normal. Here's the more important a question. Are You Vegan? No, okay, so then why because whole ass thing of ice cream gives me a little tummy and get like isn't there ice cream for lactose intolerant people? That isn't full on Vegan. Sure, but what's the difference like if I know? They're in like the. Chicken in one. The amount of good Megan option ice cream, versus like lactose, free ice cream I feel like there's a lot more vegan options if you couldn't get cookie dough Vegan ice cream. Can they make cookie dough? Yes, but he couldn't get cookie. You could get vegan cookie dough, but you Cleveland I would. I would venture to guess that the cookie does that are involved in cookie dough ice cream. Probably don't have eggs in them either because they probably wouldn't be. Venturing the guests. You would know for sure. Well! That's what I always do so pretty over the course. Not. What else? Anything, we do have an official potter show business announcement to make that. We've all been putting off making. We can put it off lager. Okay No! I think we should make it. Put it off for a couple more weeks. Yeah, that's about as long as you can put it off for. This is fun. Just people US all trying to figure out WHO's GONNA. Say it now. We're GONNA. Say let's say at the. Ready one to say we're losing. Jedrzej is by myself you did I. Just wanted to see what happened me to dry hated. That hated saying it out loud. A, but yeah, that's that's the unfortunate reality. Why because policies are terrible we. We signed up for those with on staff. A lot of our team was contract based in just the way legally the number of times you can renew a contract and Blah Blah Blah like we're not allowed to renew Jay's contract, so I still don't understand that I'm going to be honest. I either we push back a hundred times. No I'm not saying I'm just saying if I were listening to this podcast, that wouldn't clear it up for me. That would make me more confused. But like actually has been you know non stop pushing back on this for awhile and with everything going on with coronavirus, and all that that certainly has not made it. Easier to argue. Against losing an employee and so We have Jay now four. To three more weeks through gyrate. Yeah through July. And then We don't beach house in the sky. while. He's not dying. Wrestling. On your. On this podcast, which is a really big I'm I'm very disappointed and I. You know have. This is hard to say without being coming emotional, but like it just. It's this has been such a joy and a dream and I love. You guys so much. I'm going to be really saddened, not be. Your teammate anymore. And that's GONNA. Suck so it's been great to pretend like it's not going to happen, and now that it is i. wish we doing that I'll be honest. Yeah, for only a couple minutes in here in a microscope black. We could still go back. To pretending, it's not going to. Happen, but we didn't want to You Know Jay was. We don't want a blindside. The listeners have it just be a thing where they disappear, which did happen before and wasn't because we were hiding it. It was genuinely we were blindsided. So J I can always promise you. We will never believe out your name. Forward I appreciate them. Who would do the bleeping? Questions I was going to say also. There's also this other. Side of things that we have no idea. If forgetting assume based on just prior experience with when people have to go in this company that we're not probably getting a replacement Jay. Therefore, Ashley and I have a lot of learning to do about stuff and. I can wear it. Yeah we could have a Webinar or the jobs that are job. Positions could just continue to exist and remain filled by people qualified do them is the other side of that coin? It is, we'll have a Webinar. I'll download something. I'll probably screw it up. Can't can't wait. You're GONNA do so. Yeah I will be very sore. You're absolutely right when we while we have you. Let's have fun pod I said this before the in our little pre pod chat both say it here I keep looking for these like fun. Stories of like okay, we all accept that. Things are the way that they are where the fun little headlines we can talk about because when sports are on regularly, we don't talk about the sports as much as we talk about the fun. Little headlines that pop well. You know what I mean so I'm trying to think of like okay. This is the way things are assume this is just regular now, so stop talking about the thing. Let's talk about the fun stuff. There isn't any fun stuff. And if there is, it's like tied back to. The virus, so I think this week. We're GONNA spend the first half of the broadcast doing what we usually do catching us up on. Sports in when they're going to be back in the ones that are back. What's going on with them and then? Second half actually said that she might have a game and I joined the opportunity. Johnson, the opportunity to do something that isn't talking about this frigging virus because I'm losing my mind. And losing my mind. I'm getting angry at people on like. Just stay inside. We can have in sports back. The people won't do that and I have to stop raging against that and have to accept it because it is making me physically ill and I can't do this anymore. I'm going nuts, so I think we should just play a game and then somebody recommended on twitter. Twitter that when we did our DEKOM bracket, we were just ahead of our time. Because now is the perfect time for like watch something in review it and I think that like if you want to Jay for like the next two weeks of this podcast, we should do like a fun theme that we don't have to do the other stuff during French movies I couldn't. Why would you pick that figure not? No, that's very kind, but I don't think the content. Yeah I love that I think that'd be disliked him. Fun Stuff for the next two weeks and yeah, whether it's it's like pick our own pick a sports movie that we WANNA watch I don't know what it is, but we got it. We should just do I need something to do. That doesn't feel depressing when I'm doing it, you know what I mean. It's like you were saying Ashleigh with Flo and the legos. Or like I just need something that isn't even in the doing of. It feel sad. It's just I need something to kind of be distracting that we can turn into something really fun entertaining, and if we have to make it sports than we can do something I, don't know what it is. I just can't every week. Be Like Soho much closer. ARE WE TO BASEBALL COMING BACK? So is the NFL him as he is just like Lula. Well as you do, know. Katie we do have to make it. Sports that is in our mandate is yeah. 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I, got that with socks recently, but I'm thinking about moving. That I, have good buy the and also getting into space, whereas before you had none. It's another thing about that also sounds Nice. The biggest news non pandemic related in the sense that if you assume there's going to be an NFL, season or any NFL seasons to come. Patrick Mahomes got paid. got that money clam secure the bag? What is it? Yeah, yes, Ashley! If you have to ask, I, mean. Maybe we just don't say collect the bag. That's no. That's why you have to hop Pasco. He collected the bag he did. Again season not going to pass go. I had to talk about this on highly questionable today and Meena was going to be on the show, which means I did a bunch of research because I'm like, how can you be honest with Mina kimes and try to discuss salary cap? Because then it is always the thing about NFL contracts that get so confusing and i. feel like either understand it or you pretend you understand it, but I don't think anyone ever takes the time to be. Be like. Yeah, this is how that works and I still don't really understand the cab implications in how any of that works, but I do know is that in this extension which is a ten year extension? They're still two years left on his deal. So technically twelve years in the first year of The way that the whole thing is structured the change in the cap hit is essentially nothing so he got this gigantic contract. Like over five hundred million dollars an extremely long in ten years and it's not changing the hit to the cap at the beginning of his contract, which is crazy in an like an insane thing to do the other thing about this contract that apparently. Is the game changer about it? It being ten years and five hundred million dollars is the largest contract in sports, but the actual like meat of it that makes it interesting is called the guarantee mechanism. So. Usually guaranteed money the money that you sign and you're absolutely getting, but there's also something that's called like essentially guaranteed which so when the league year starts in March, a lot of contracts will be like okay. Your money is guaranteed as of the third day of the League year or the first day of the League year and they'll do that so that they can. No players can know if they're going to be cut. while. They're still free agency money to be have so like if your team doesn't want you anymore, and they let you know on the first that you're that you're not around, then you can go get more money. You know what I mean whereas if they hold you till the season, and then they cut you and your money didn't guarantee like that's what it normally is. Then they're like the essentially guaranteed is a lot of players will have been year after. Guarantee the year before, so it'll be like okay. It's two thousand and twenty March of two thousand and twenty. Your salary for two, thousand, twenty one guarantees the first day of the season of twenty twenty. which like you get that money? If you're still on the roster as of that day, which is an interesting, it makes it essentially guaranteed what happens with mahomes contract the first three years. This is as I understand it after reading a lot of Bill Barnwell. Twenty twenty, twenty, twenty, one and twenty, two plus his signing bonus at ten million were all guaranteed at signing his salary in his bonus. So he gets those three years guaranteed. And I believe is total guaranteed money for that one hundred and forty one point four million dollars, then for twenty, twenty, three, twenty, twenty, four and twenty twenty-five. Those salaries will guarantee two years before. THEM SO in two thousand, twenty, one. His twenty twenty three salary becomes guaranteed the third day of the season, so in in the season quote unquote starts in March. So okay, it is like two years ahead, guaranteeing him the money. And then after the three seasons, the seasons after that are all a year before so like it's this crazy guarantee structure that really like protects him. It makes it really difficult for the chiefs to cut him now. The other side of it is with the ten year deal. Most likely I think the big money. Year is twenty twenty seven. That would be the year that he would make his ten million dollars for his base salary, but he would get forty nine point, four million and roster bonuses, so I think by twenty twenty seven. The team is going to essentially either if he's doing well, re signed him to a different contract or cut him or whatever, but like that's the year that a lot of people are saying he's not. GonNa make it past that year under this deal, anyway, because a ten year deal a in ten years, which is funny, because Pat Mahomes ten years is going to be as old as you know. In ten years, the NFL could renegotiate new TV contract, which means the CAP could go up which means know his money, essentially a percentage of the cat. It's just like a lot of it is. There's no there's it would be very strange and a complete anomaly for a ten year contract to actually mean that for ten years. He's going to play under this contract for this team. But it got them this headline of like ten years five hundred million dollars, which is a lot of money, and it also reminded us of the fun fact. That in the NFL in terms of earning, had people have earned nobody in the history of the League has earned more. Than Eli Manning and Fifty point three million spell without healer. I mean you could? Be Tough. I'm just excited. Jerry Jones to read this headline index now sitting there like all right man. My job I thought was that because of this tenure. Five hundred million headline it almost takes pressure off of the cowboys because it's like that's clearly an anomaly contract. That's not something that's easily comparable to like. If he had set the bar higher in terms of the If it was like a position setting the Ol- then I think that like it would be easier for DAX to be like look at how much money he got you know if he signed up. The cowboys want back there. The place where they're not agreeing is that they want to sign a longer deal and he wants a shorter deal. So this almost is like. I don't know it almost as like makes. Their point like home signed a ten year deal, but you're right. It also makes dax point of giving more money when I found really helpful, was in the bill Barnwell article on ESPN DOT com, he breaks down like if you assume it as a six year contract, and you take his money over those six years. Then you compare it to like the comparable. QB's from the first round quarterbacks since the new rookie deal. Which Goff Wentz Dak in. Watson. Than You, it actually looks not as insane the like he could have gotten more money if he took a shorter deal. I'm not doing a good job of explaining it. Because numbers are very hard for me to talk about, but like if you look at it, they he puts it in a chart where it's like over the six years. This is what would or I mean. This is what I'm. mahomes would earn. This is what the others are earning. But like in twenty twenty five, also of Note Golf Went Prescott Watson All should be getting new deals right which will reset the market, which will probably pave the way from homes to renegotiate which I think is like I. I have dived as deep as it seems that you have I tend to. Re barnwell headlines, and then maybe like the first paragraph. And he's like here. Let me do all this explanation of why. This is actually a good deal for both it's crazy. The homes and the team and you're like okay. That's the takeaway needed. This is actually pretty good for the chiefs, and then you can just like spitballs to like why, but like with the wave at all the numbers break down with the cap your like. Like this isn't. It's not like they're getting robbed to keep homes. Yeah, like they both got what they wanted. Yeah, and now, of course the conversation is like it. Can they build a dynasty with this long contract on a quarterback? We always give teams when they won't pay their quarterback. Then they do and we're like well now. Are you going to have enough to? God I just got a twitter notification. Doug is broadcasting live to Sean. Jackson thoughts. No thanks. Thanks, but yeah, that's That's where it's at all. That being said contract. Ten years seven years I. Mean but the other thing that bar mentions an article that I read was like he's the only player. Ben Barnwell I. Read a lot and I. Don't remember any of it, but it's like he's. This is really mom's really. The only player that this deal would make sense for like makes perfect sense, 'cause. You can't give it to anybody WHO's going to be too old. By the time a ten year. Deal is over, and you can't give it to anybody who hasn't proven themselves as like absolutely worth it to back the brinks truck up to their house. For mahomes is like this perfect like he's young. He's been insane. It makes sense. This is the perfect deal. Gives Mitch Trubisky. I don't think you should give it to me. Want other quarterback. Who is the? Probably. The only other is the only other person you would discuss it with, but his, but right short short, but the way that he plays the way that you prefer him to play J. specifically. He said on this podcast that you prefer when he doesn't throw steady runs it the way that he swaying. The way that Lamar Jackson the way that you jay classified. Lamar, Jackson's play style I would say does not lend itself to a contract that would really screw a team over if they were to get injured and you J. as you've always said preferring when he's running and that mean. quarterback I mean you don't have to retread the same just like you want Lamar to retread the same steps of again I think you're on only on. Being M. I or is or as Lamar under stepping. Do we want him stepping Lars Lars doing a great job across the board he writes. You should just continue doing him because tour. He's the most incredible quarterback in the leaks on the ground as you search all that money on the ground in the air in the air. Everywhere on the ground, was your opinion famously? He is. A great quarterback on the ground in the air, every and off the field as well. That was last night. That actually was like. Hey I have a game. Remember it was like. Let's pick a super bowl winner. And it was actually really mad, and it was just a really long and drawn out and your next hearts. We picked the correct team that she's we. Let. Let a good teaser. Today's this game. Can't wait. So, there's all the fun news in other football news Washington reportedly thinking about changing their name finally. I now I saw Cleveland is to have any of the other teams. Come out instead. They're thinking about it. I. Don't know the other. Native American seemed teams have said anything yet two days ago Atlanta Unlikely to consider name, change. I don't know about where the other ones are at. All right well, famously everyone remembers just like we remember the Jay said. Jackson's good on the ground Dan Snyder in two, thousand, thirteen, central never change the name. It's that simple never you can use caps and then Fedex recently was like change changed name, and they were like well. We're GONNA. Talk will will work on it. and Nike polled Washington gear from their stores. Look great news longtime coming, but it. You'll be hard. Pressed to find gratitude from me for Dan Snyder. For waiting this Qinglong. and. Like I just said going out of his way in the past to insists that his name will never change and like you know doubling down on it through ceremonies and like. It paid research that was to skew the public opinion on the name. For so many years and now that money now that money. An advertisers are like we're not. Doing this, we want you to change this now. He's like we're GONNA look into it. It's hard for me to be like. I think I mean my. My applause goes to Fedex Nike like it I think what we've learned that it takes. It takes the people who have control of the dollars to force the change the well. He was never going to do it. Who's he said that in caps was never gonna do it so like if you have these big brands coming through to like, take a stand like Oh cool. This is what forces change now. We have a model for when we needed to happen again later. I think what frustrates me is like. Nike and Fedex it should have done it sooner. I know one thing where it's like once. Somebody finally does the right thing you can't be like. Why didn't you do it sooner, but just 'cause? We're discussing it openly on this podcast as friends it just like it gives the other side. The people who are like everything's to PC cancel Culture Bulbul. The people who have reasoned disagreements like reason criticism on cancel culture, which some aspects of have gotten out of control. But people that just think all together anything bad. That happens to anybody who's done bad stuff in the past is bad when when these companies wait until a moment where people are speaking out. It it almost gives those people. Fuel for their like this is just outrage culture. You know what I mean. It's like Fedex has always been a problem what has changed between. Then and now that now you're not okay with it like. The reason that Washington is is the one that did. That's the one being attacked I know there's a lot of teams named afternoon Americans The Washington team name. Is, not, in any way couldn't be argued in any way that it's honorable that it's honoring. The culture. It's just blatantly disrespectful and shouldn't be neutral after we shouldn't have to even decide whether or not. We're going to say it as people who work in sports. We shouldn't have to have a discussion of. We're GONNA call them. The Washington team like I don't Wanna I WANNA be will call a team by their name, and that name is an uncomfortable name. Like the fact that everybody was just fine with it. But now they're not I. don't even really know what I'm saying I just feel like the people will be able to be like Oh. People are just being oversensitive. Now. You guys ruin everything and it's like it's not what it should have been done forever ago. It should have, but from the Fedex perspective I think they were probably. Waiting for a time I guess when it was like less risky select. Say Your Fedex and you're like. WE'RE NOT GONNA pay for Your Stadium unless you change your your name and it's. Ten years ago and dance liners like fine. Then we'll have somebody else. Sponsor Stadium, whereas like now. Fedex comes out and says that nobody no other company going to be like. Hey, we'll do it because now. They look like the holes, so it's gotta be gentler straight, and it's like I. Get that and you're absolutely right. It's just I guess defeating. That's how the world works that you have to wait until everybody agrees, or the majority of people loudly agree that it's bad before you can make any sort of the new. Do totally right. It's, but it is also like you know. It's nice that people. Did this like this. This was caused because enough people said like no, this is not ankeny more, and that's why. Fedex was willing to take a stand I think I would say probably Nike pulling their gear from their is maybe even like more of a reason to change the name than even their their stadium sponsor like. Oh, you're revenues actually get affected, and that's like one of the ways that we as individuals can actually feel empower when everything is like completely we're. We feel completely powerless from so many perspectives like everybody's. Voting is great, and those things are great, but like what you actually spend your money on. Does kind of matter in this roundabout way, and that's important to. Get it. I've seen some really cool logo team name suggestions on twitter. Have you seen any of those now? Though the coolest one go look it up. When I saw was the Washington red, tails. Rentals is cool I I don't want to get it wrong, but I believe it's honoring like A. I don't know if the words Battalion I. Don't know if it's battalion was yeah. The strike relax airman. Look it up. I was GONNA. Say A battalion of airman. He runs right. If you're wrong, actually you're in canceled, I read entails. Or. They just the Tuskegee airmen. Is that what they were? A groupie as A group. This is a group of African American united. States Army Nodar Tillerson. Servicemen well. Lands on the ground I think those are foot soldiers. Nowhere Fleet I'll dive into it later I. Look at the look at the luggage sign. No, it's awesome while also not knowing everything about them well. You know what this would also fit perfectly with. Dan Snyder's weird insistence on including. The military in his statement about how they're going to review the team name. We will continue to uphold our team values of honoring the military, which was like I'm sorry your football. Than of the goals of your football team is an honor, the milit-, it should be to win football games, and that's not to say that you should. Disrespect the military. It's just like that should be. You should say that you're at. It explains a lot about your that you forget that one of your goals should be off like field goals and also touchdowns. Yeah. But if they named them the red. Well then. Look at all those boxes those. Included! They're checked and founded article about All the names that people in Cleveland one. The only one that I'm GONNA mention his the Cleveland rocks. That's like the. Washington Monument Chelsea. It's pretty funny. Look whatever just change it and if you're upset about a team name. I. Tell you. You get the team. Yeah you disagree Your team's not moving. You get to keep the team. Yes, I'm just. Can't keep the bad stuff. The blatantly asleep as I. Google Red Tails. Battalion Squadron Squadron Squad. That's what I was looking for. You're looking for trial. Battalion user talking. Bad is newsreel. Also, says regiment. The Word Regiment is used a lot, but I confuse that with regimen, and then I sat real dumb. Of troops ready for battle, specially infantry unit. That that engineer now what's an infantry? A baby baby aren't now. Infantries footsoldiers feel like we. I wasn't listening. Soldiers marching are fighting on foot infantry. They're crawling. Yeah. We should move on walk because an infant can't whatever? That's happening lady. A review I wonder. How long that will take basketball. The Bucks Clipper shut down the practice facilities because of corona virus, testing and knocking to open up for workouts before they leave the bubble on Thursday. That sounds like it's going well. I believe is it mls? A team has dropped out. I think it was. and. But they were already in the bubble when they tested negative. which seems like the bubble has popped. The opposite of the point of bubble. Get Messy. Which? Great. What's? Cheese. Go ahead. Ask You got You'RE GONNA have to get more comfortable. Just saying things you think no, because Jay's leaving. The Carlos. Villa, they love, he just dropped out to. You. Why he? The Star of their team and decided not to attend. Well cool. He led the League in goals last year and Dinwiddie does allow going to the nets because of his corona virus. I think I saw on ESPN. Dot Com tweet. Howard says he's going to join the Lakers in the bubble in Orlando, but he's going to donate his salary. which is great. Good for him. Estimated seven thousand dollars to a pushes, breathe again initiative so good for Dwight Howard, but also just in general seem unlike the bubbles. Not Great I also saw and didn't click on because mental health is important that they were thinking about making a second bubble for all the teams that were invited to the NBA Bubble Ando. Those leaves could basically play like an IT and thing. What are we doing? The mixed. Don't get a chance to play games I'm going to be. Disappointed Disappointed? I want us to play the boss. Doesn't want to see that. It's just. Are we not? Do. We not understand. I was thinking this with college football. Because we all know I'm a life long Lsu Fan, but Started last. Year I wasn't. Not Not really my bag. That is secure so like. I haven't really, but it's like it. It seems like the most clear example of like now. We can't have that so like the earlier this week Harvard announced that like all classes are online still don't charge tuition to sick, so did leave a couple of weeks ago, a teacher make the argument that like not making not charging full tuition. Means that the teachers don't get paid as much and the teachers are. It's supposed to be the reason you pick a school, but most kids pick schools because of all the other things that are there, and so they don't understand how much of their tuition is actually going towards teachers, so cutting tuition for online classes actually isn't fair, but at the same time it's like I remember that bill, and how that bill breaks down, and a lot of it goes to all these different programs that they now do not have any access to going down. A little would make sense anyway. We're not here to talk about that. Point is if Harvard going to completely online classes? And other schools essentially may or may not follow suit. How can you are argue that? Unpaid. Volunteers Without a union or representation of any kind. Which means that there that there needs in their whatever need to be met by the NCWA. Ll. That's not going to happen How can you argue that they need to come back and play games and there's been conversations about moving the season to the spring. There's been conversations about shortening season to like ten games or making them all conference at hurt, Feinban talking that and it just seems to me like of all. The Sports College football should be the one that's like. Yeah, we're going to sit this one out We'll see you next year and the fact that they have not done that yet. Is Wild to me. I was trying to Google it while you were talking, but I know there are example just can't find them right now. Campuses that are only open for athletes were the general student. Body is like no sense for you guys. Come back, but you division one athletes. You guys come in Siamese Corona. Virus waivers, so we can just. You're just making that Danny that you just have to. Trust was reviewed and is the right thing to do, and these are kids. Yes, some of them are probably legally adults I. Don't remember how ages work in college, but like it's still young enough that like. You know. Baseball was held back by the players being like no, no, you're trying to screw us over, and we see it and we're not doing it until this happens. They don't have anybody fighting for them. In that way. These are just kids who probably are only group text threads being like to do this, but there isn't this central body of. Don't worry. We're looking out for you. We're not GonNa let you sign something. Something stupid in other basically being told to be yeah, but they're basically being told like you're you're you're either GonNa play college football or you're not. Are you really going to choose to not like I'm sure they're using that like this? Is Your Life Dream. This is your ticket out. Here's the thing if it's your ticket out, you get corona virus something that we don't necessarily know and understand the long term effects of. You could be fine, but you might have like a lifelong decreased line capacity that might end up taking away your ticket to making money in the future based off of your football talent, you could be ruining a future draft class of athletes by subjecting them to corona virus, and be like one only kills old people, and it's like that's their future. They're making the whole promise. Promise of college athletics. Is that like will someday? They're going to be able to make life changing money, so nobody feels bad for them when they don't I obviously don't agree with that mindset, but it's one that seems to make a lot of people watch football comfortable. She's GonNa. Spoiler. Alert like many of those do not go under the most of the motion now so. But I'm saying if you can, if you if even that your view if you're at the point, where like. You was like yeah, that's whatever to so then you're taking away potentially their ability to earn money in the future. How can you possibly just be like? Yeah, of course when he called football season I just do it doesn't. Make any sense to me. I I think the The part that and I feel like every week. I'm like well the part that's really concerning to me all this is troubling, but here's the one thing that's really standing out for me this week. It's how things have been handled so far with MLB like. They've gone into the bubble and we thought they had stuff like buttoned up in a way that lake. Did We? This! This is supposed to be the easy part of what we're going through, and so far like it's a mess like Sean doolittle and Kris. Bryant has come out and Said said some stuff to reporters on Sunday and Monday that like the nationals haven't received their P P equipment, so they don't have the end ninety five mass. They don't have gloves. Players are supposed to be getting tested every other day, but Chris Ryan said some people showed up got tested when they got their waited a week until they got tested again. And then you take like two days until the results come back, so you're there for nine days without knowing whether or not you might have it. some of the tests like the. MLB. Put out a statement saying like hey. We said everything off to the Utah Lab. Like we've got like ninety eight percent of the results back so far, but what about those other two se, that's eighty six players, and if you have A. Fifty, you're all skirl. Yes, you may not have. The test results back from nine more days. What are you doing just bonkers like this is? They're not even traveling right now. It's just. If they bryant specifically said that you know He. He doesn't know if he feels safe and like players are aren't going to sit out there going to opt out like I didn't Mike Trout say that he might yet? Because his wife's pregnant, it's just. We need an example of somebody doing right. That, We have we do have an example? Runners soccer teams like it's yeah, but their country also did it different. domestic because this is the thing I was saying today that like it's crazy to me. The NFL's just acting like the season's going to happen. Like I've said this before the Possum, saying this toenails like they've had longer than everybody else to get prepared for this moment, and they haven't done anything to prepare for it, and he goes yeah, but they. They just assumed they wouldn't have to worry about it because they were told nationally by leadership that they weren't going to have to worry about it and I. Mean if we get into the nitty gradient, there were one league that were to believe leadership than most units, probably the NFL. They've got the closer relationship with the current government so like. He has point like yeah. They could have been preparing for it, but it would have been wasted work. They were told that this wasn't going to be a problem. Now it is so it's like English soccer. Watching other countries come back and look at Austin being at what are you guys doing? The actually sort of so it's like embarrassing of like what are we doing? And then I it was frustrating because it's like what am I doing what I'm supposed to be doing? What are we doing not that and it doesn't matter what I'm doing because of what we're doing. It's hard to because you know. It's such a bigger country, but there's you know ten times as many people here than there are in. England. So? It's like you know it's tougher to manage. That's another story for different time I feel like when they released the the opening day schedule and everything like all the all the baseball mashups which they did last weekend while people were like I haven't gotten my. Everyone's so excited and I'm like I. Don't know how to feel like I WANNA watch baseball love watching baseball on TV in the summer lodging these phone person in the summer, but Lake I. It's just such a weird. It's such a weird mix of. Anxiety and like trepidation about about it all coming back, it reminds me it's not at all the same, but it reminds me of when we all Kinda came to grips with C. T.. And, how had to be like? Okay on love in a sport that we now know medically is i. don't even think we fully come to grips with it, but it's one of those things. Were you still sits? Weird feels uncomfortable. Where like the thing I love so much. Anything I support I support the athletes, but also. It's killing them, and so it's like the coronavirus thing is like look. I think a lot of people talk about us in sports and people who cover sports that are covering it from a negative standpoint right now, saying that like baseball should come back and fastball shouldn't come back. There are a lot of dislike. Average everyday American sports fans who are like I want my sports coverage to want sports to come back. Why are you all being so negative? You give me some good news. Wire you rooting for the season to come back and think it's important that we're clear that like I love nothing more than to be able to watch a baseball game or a hockey game or a football game. It would make my life just from a a routine standpoint. My mental health would. Improve, it wouldn't be perfect. It would improve because it would be like This is what life used to be like. This is what normal life is. I sit on the couch and watch sports in the lack of sports has been doing some to my brain. That's getting very toxic I would love for sports. Come back. But. You reach a point where it's like. For, at what costs like it isn't a I would love to hear a league. Propose a plan and go. That sounds like they're doing a great job of figuring it out. What do you think about the NHL? Because I feel like they at least seemed the most buttoned up. And I'm not totally sold on it yet, but it seems like there's been a lot more time spent in there. Obviously, they're coming back later. They're supposed to start training camp next week. I, mean I just saw today. That like I think fifteen new players tested positive in the NHL really. The good news is they're testing positive now before their training camps shore right right, it just feels like. If there's too many variables in every single situation, because you have the like you create this perfect bubble, then you have people who are going to be like well financially. It would be better for me if I. just sit out the season I. Don't risk it, and then you're gonNA lose players that like you're gonNA. Get the people who were like this season asterisk none because it's not exactly the same as a regular season, and there's just all of this conflict. Which is funny? Because originally when Premier League was talking about coming back in there, is that argument about like no relegation and promotion or whatever I was like Oh God this leagues. Never GonNA. Come back. They're never gonNA see eye to eye and they're back so maybe I'm just like looking at these things too closely and be like they're never gonNA, agree, maybe eventually they will. I just don't feel. Like. I. Don't I'm not thrilled I don't feel What's the word? I can't even think of the word optimistic because it's still far my brain right now. It just feels like whoever it was. That said I know originally. It was doing McManus, but whoever it was this week. That said I think it was do little who was like? Sports are the reward of a functioning society. It's like it yeah. It makes perfect sense. It's like this is. The desert can't have you're putting if you don't eat your meat, we don't just get to sit here and have everything falling apart and get to watch sports. It's like that's the icing on the cake. We have a lot of work to do right now and we can't do work if we're GONNA watch sports. Unfortunately for us. Our job is sports in so inherited. Do Work when there aren't any. So just to be clear. Every sports fan out there. That's like why can't my sports podcast root for sports to come back comeback? Think it's all three of us would love to be able to watch sports right now. We Miss Sports. Such. It's just it's. It's like it doesn't seem to be. As simple as we all would like it to be. Unfortunately. Did anyone watch bio dome? I feel like we should all go back and watch it I feel like maybe the answers are in there. Yeah. I haven't seen. It just feels like we. We have to physically start building a bubble Elon Musk. What are you up to? Can you start working now I know his? But, he always comes up with really dumb ideas like on paper sound like something out of a cartoon, so I lean restaurant. If we wanted to. If we wanted to create a bubble just to see if it would work it along. Is The guy that you that you could get to be like yeah I'll do that. It wouldn't work but let them waste his money drying. That's got you with President. I'm back in. I saw somewhere. If it reassures you that Kanye didn't actually officially filed the necessary paperwork to run for president, he just announced on twitter that he's going to run for president so. Hopefully. Maybe it's just it's like this is Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. In the water, trying to gauge the reaction you know. Why has ever gauged a reactive? Gauge your reactions to what you guys. Watch the hot dog eating contest this year I so can I. I shouldn't admit this who this is a good start to anytime I. Never I never watched that dot competition why? It's just a it's not for me. It makes me physically feel ill now. I am not as anti as Peter King. This week called it a sin. And said that he said a whole bunch of stuff. Peter King famously known for taking strong. On twitter when nobody really asked him to. The second story, but actually it's you watch it. I, watched a highlight of IT 'CAUSE A. Friend of the PIE. Michael Junior was on the Mike Kellyanne and wanted to support him. So I watched I watched probably about thirty seconds of it, and that was enough. It was the word to world record set joy chestnut, one anybody who doesn't know. He didn't leave five hotdogs in bonds in buds, hotdogs and buns. Yeah, they have to which water. That's part of why I. Don't watch it. 'cause soggy bread minutes. Thirteen ships in fourteen years I. Think what I would keep though as they had. They had a plastic dividers in between the contestants. Gino for like safety precautions. Like what if we kept those there? So that your gross hotdog waters fit like pieces are out about idea lying at me like the. Sun's various Murray. Seventy five hotdogs in I'm sorry, actually how long the great question! Out while you look it up, Peter King ten minutes I think. He, says he never has never will watch it, not the point. The fact is ESPN celebrates the birthday of our country by airing, gluttonous vomited and grotesque event. Eating is not a sport competitive. Eating is a sin. Wow. Look hot, hot, hot, hot, take hot dog! You know, but. There's a point to like competitive eating is. When I had to do that a contest. It's very gross, because not about taste and for me, eating has never not been about taste. It's why diets are hard for me because I'm like. Why am I eating if I? Don't enjoy it? I understand how sustenance works, but I also like. it can taste good, so reading is the other side of that. They eat so much, but they're not. It's not about enjoying. It's about like how do I make this fit so there dipping delicious thing in water and and it it hurts me as a person who loves food also can see people being like there are hungry people at their wire we but then there's also the like it's I. Don't know it's a complicated discussion. I think Peter King. Went a little hard. On the thoughts. That being said I'm not. GonNa Watch. We had them? We had people competitive an entire Thanksgiving dinner. And that smell is not one that you'll forget. I will say if you've if you've watched one. Doug eating contest. You want your good. Yeah, there are they all look pretty much the same lots of the Emerson experience of Levin eating contests. I will say it's been very hard to keep track of how much people are eating is like. Is that a new venues at the half? Bed. It was long. So gross was so gross, but congratulations to go, Joe, who did a great job? He noted on his on his twitter account. He posted pictures of like Joey. Chestnut and is it Nikki is the woman who won? Mickey. Mickey. Mickey pseudo the pictures of the two of them after they won and I just like. Can you imagine? Taking pictures after you win a baseball game and you're exhausted, and whatever is probably really hard as it is taking pictures after you definitely just need to drop a huge deuce. Like. Neither of them were smiling. They were both just like he did it like. You could tell. They're like I'm ready to take a food coma huge. Having to take pictures. That uncomfortable. I couldn't do it. No, thank you I mean. One Zero wfl I was GONNA. Say One more order business before we can move on, so we can get my game. Yeah, let's go the our sub read. It was Katie didn't definitively. Pick it I. didn't a dishonest this. Yeah, because look I don't it's tough for me to his book I picked this team root for them I think I said last time I'm rooting for them all I'm rooting for good Games. But that's also a cop out so I'm going to say that like. Some made a point that I. Think makes me feel comfortable, saying that I root. For, the Dash, which is that when my loyalties are so torn with the women's national team spread out across. The NWS L. The dash pretty much they don't have there's my loyalties are I'm going to root for the. Dash. I just feel then saying it because I get you guys I get tweeted. Mean memes me when I pick a team. To pick their team. People get mad and I. Totally get it, but like you can't I would pick I want to pick them all. Being told that I can't some roofing dash because they're an underdog that are crushing it right now. Yeah, they're currently second. Yeah so under watch like jerseys or sexy kits that number two reason so Who Did you pick I forget? Washington spirit. Shoot. And Ashley Your, who now the thorns Portland's Dorronsoro to in one, they're not doing great. Guys know, and it's been a challenge me. There's still time. Is. They're all GonNa make. WE'RE GONNA make cuts, so that's good. That's Great I. Do hate a do hate. I've said before the schedule of these games and finding them I do hate it. But. They've been pretty good games. I saw somewhere that they were thinking about bringing in fans and I wanted to throw my laptop crash. That like it started out working pretty well, and they're like well. Maybe we'll do bringing some fans for this. Thing, stop it. Stop It. Stop It. Okay. Should we let's do the. Let's do another ad, and then we'll do a challenge update. 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Delivered by going to get DOT CO DOT COM and finding local delivery options near you celebrate responsibly, and far away from each other is brewing company Golden Colorado. And understand what fictional situation that was, but I think nailed it. You did a great job Chris. Okay, let's head on over to me I. Guess For Challenge, Update, duly do doodle. Hi, I'm Katie. I didn't write it down this week. Last week's felt high because last week felt too long Did you catch up? Yeah okay. So so that's a relief because. It's frustrating because I should have written it out because she really would have enjoyed that challenge recap last week and I didn't do it this week because I watched it quickly. But so last week we were told that we were GONNA. Get a double elimination this week Bailey still didn't have a red skull, nor did kyle or Josh. And so this week we find out that it is a double. They find out the middle of the night. Essentially, nobody knows that it's coming and the little alarm goes off and they're like. Oh, TJ's added again so the challenge this week was that they were gonNA. They each had a bucket with their name on it. And then far away, there was like a pile of debris and this kind of the theme of a lot of the challenges this season. Just take this trash and bring it over here. I really think they might be. Like doing work. For some one. Of the things are. Like. Smart but also like a human rights violation, but anyway everybody has been, and then you're supposed to get trash and put it in somebody else's bucket to try to screw them over and at the end they're going to have to lift up their buckets, and whoever can hold it up the longest wins and will be by winning. They'll be in the tribunal to people, and they get to pick a third person so Yada, Yada Yada they do. The challenge a nieces. Bucket gets filled up because there's discussion before the challenge that like if a woman with a red skull has to go up against a woman that doesn't have one yet she's. She's the weakest link in terms of. If you wanted to run a final with all the women that were left, she'd be the last one you wanna run with which I understand that logic, but what I don't understand. Is that later? They also use the flip side of that logic, which is like fess. He's going to be a target because you don't want to run a final against him because he's really good, so it's like it bothers me that with the men they want to take down the best ones and with the women they wanna take out the worst ones because it seems like they're all just kind of tailoring the final towards the men. You know what I'm saying because. If you get up with a woman and she drags you down, you want a ISA album. You don't want to get rid of the strongest woman in the women seem to be willing to go along with this plan without challenging the fact that they should be trying to vote out one of their stronger women anyway. They they are doing the lefty. Thing doesn't even make it back in time to lift his bucket to lift his barrel, so he's not even in the running. It comes down to Josh. Corey and Fussy still holding their buckets Josh makes an idiot. Move Its I've not been at all shy about saying I can't stand Josh, but he basically turns to the two of them the music. If I drop my bucket right now, will you put me in the tribunal? And he's like I. got you so. He drops his bucket Tom going don't drop your. Don't drop okay. You dropped her bucket, so then He turns to Corey. And then he makes the same deal with corey respect. Corey drafted bucket and I'll put you in the tribunal and they go to a bananas, confessional and bananas is like A woman. Is GonNa win and be in the tribunal. There's only two spots so festive has now promised that last remaining spot to two different people. Someone's not paying attention here, so corey drops bucket. Fussy winds And then on the girls side Jenny wins. Melissa held on for a really long time, but Johnny's bucket was empty for some reason, so she was like I. Literally Stand here all day head. Don't understand why the women aren't trying to get her out. Seeing Roy, anybody in the final. A niece's bucket was full it just largely. Even if you think she's the weakest competitor, it doesn't make any sense to fill her bucket if you think she's week, because you could put half in there and shall not be able to hold up because she's weak and put a bunch in Jenny's bucket. Who is very strong and you WANNA? Knock out also I know. We're editing, Diatta these episodes, but like. Why isn't anybody gunning for her? Like get her out. She's also pretty good anyway. so it comes down to Jenny infest, and they have to pick the third person for the tribunal which has been. Promised to both Josh, who still needs a red skull and Corey, who needs literally nothing and has no reason to desperately want to be in the tribunal Jenny while discussing it with Vesey secretly. They're talking about who they're going to pick. Johnny basically says let's Joshua in Joshua needs a skull. Josh threw himself in and in the house will vote in Kyle. It'll just be josh versus Kyle, and it's no big deal and festivals like yeah, but promised it to corey. Jenny's like I get, but corey doesn't need to be. It makes the most sense just put Josh Allen and and then He's like yeah, but then what we bring Korean and then we just nominate set josh and. Yet it doesn't I'm saying Josh? I'm just GONNA say John. So they josh and Corey loses his mind and says that. He's the one who put Jenny up against. Jen who I completely forgot about that first week. Jenny got her first the first person to get a red skull up against Jen. Who was like her pitch to the house? Dover like I'm garbage. Don't you want me around, so you can get an easy win all the time. Why would you want me in? Didn't work, but like a he put in. Like she owes him in at no point. Does anyone just ask Corey like? Dude. Why do you WanNa be tribunal so bad you don't. It's not real power. There's two dudes that need skulls and you're not one of them. Yeah I, mean member when they blindsided D. in like through her in even though she had a red skull. I think it's just to prevent getting blindsided. Sure like you shouldn't meet. Hugh should've. The Hadley and like if they put Josh in. You're not going to get blindsided. Because Josh still needs a red skull, so either you're guaranteed to not go in whether you're in the tribunal or not. 'cause Josh Nick. It was stoop caused the scene, and I can see this being drama for seasons to come or Corey's like memorably screwed me over. It's like Guiseley. Where they really screwed over or did she just make logical choice that. Didn't affect you in the outcome of the game, but anyway Josh gets pulled in. Josh is a moron. Everybody's being dramatic. Corey's being dramatic. It's stupid. The House Votes Kyle for the women. the House Votes Bailey because she still needs a skull, and the tribunal picks an ISA which she's like this can bull and I agree and also pissed because I tweeted right at somebody asked me like who are you rooting for? Whatever who's going to win and I tweet? It was after the episode aired, but I watched them with Dan. Dan Wasn't back yet, don't. Don't let them come back until he didn't have corona virus, and so I tweeted back at them like yeah, but I think it's this person or I'm rooting for this person, but I'm really pulling for a Nissan because I really wanted to get a win in, somebody responded was like watch this episode yet. Did you and I was like well now I know yes. Out. which ruined it but so a niece and makes a point where she's frustrated shows a facetime with her mom in this episode. That was just the sweetest. She's done so many of these in her mom said like. Where are you? You're in Russia. She's like you know. I can't tell you where I am mom. But, so she goes in the nation is a purgatory. Is that stupid challenge? It's similar one. They've done, but it's different enough. I guess where they have to tie knots with a gigantic rope around a car Just a general note the challenges illuminations this season have been like okay cool. They're like not visually interesting. Could just because I'm watching this? While I'm also watching old seasons of the challenge, and you're just watching the like well I can tell what's happening in. These are just like we even between the windows in knots, and then we'll see how close it is later. But Kyle Weaves in and out, because he's like a skinny, you pirate man and Josh trouble getting the ability to do the same thing because he's not and so josh loses in his eliminated Kyle gets his red skull and then Bailey beats an Isa Jess. Barely an ISA was just about to drag that rope across the thing, but she lost, which is just a real bummer. It's also just ironic that like all that drama last week, and now we're left with a final where both Bailey and Melissa have skulls anyway. Yes so cool I felt I thought that they shouldn't have. Like the producers of the show should have. Stopped it before this week should be time for the final funeral. The skull sucks for you. Yeah! There was Jeddah, put Jae in seven times in the S. six weeks exactly. A you're right. There was never a moment where it's like. If you don't have when you're out now, you've basically like you went into an elimination and you got sent home. And you probably wouldn't have gone into that if you didn't need to win it, but you never actually had a moment where it was like. Don't have one you leave. Everybody has left hazards. Go. Yeah, and they're all going in the fine. What is also annoying that just like? I don't really care about any of these people. Like bananas is still there but I've said this last week and he just feels like he's a producer at this point to me. If he won the season, it would feel like a like okay one that season. Weird newish people could just feels like an APP. A season of different reality show now that Stephen a good point He was like it's none of the. Manipulative. are still there. Yeah, if if right, but he has no competition like he has no reason to play that game, but yeah mine game like the people they are still. They're like okay. We'll Josh and Kyle both need red skull's so like. Let's have them both go in. It's like no, no, no, no, if you're a good competitor, you're like sending Vesey. Try to get him out like don't let Joshing Kyle Get rid skull, Mary them out of the final people who have. been trying to do easily logical yen had like A. Fair shot at. Even the people that are not doing that like I was saying with Vesey in Corey in that tribunal, needing like it makes Jenny's right. That makes the most sense. They're not opposing it for strategic reasons. They're PR-. They're opposing it for big brother. Reasons. It's like they're playing big brother on the challenge in the challenging house. It's doing different alliances, and like I gave them my word, but also gave him my word, and my word doesn't matter because if he gets eliminated than I don't have to answer for it. They're not playing the challenge anymore. They're playing this like different weird game and it's like okay i. just don't really care. But that's where rap well I think in the next in the pre for next week. It looks like. It's not the final that it's just another elimination. Yeah, and so I'm hoping that we get more like now. Nobody wants to go in hoping it'll feel more like a regular challenge episode if there ends up. What if there just isn't a final? Interesting I I know there is just because I read this article. About an interview with Tj where he was like I I put my heart and soul, and helping that why he's keeps calling it my final. If you WANNA, remind him final. I think so. He got like it written into his contract that it gets to his final. Okay, so that's that's it for your challenge has been challenge update. told me. Okay all right, so this is! Air quotes game we After we talked last week about drinking your own urine. Oh, or was that two weeks ago and I. Don't remember at some point. After we spoke about the urine, drinking and drinking take. Like it was the P and the shower converse in two or three weeks ago. Yeah, there was two funds. What is time, but it's been stuck in my head any. Did you guys ever watched twenty four seven like the HBO Boxing? I watch the one that was before yet was like the first one that came out. I used to watch. Those Kinda got me into boxing. And the so this is where my brain went drinking. Your own urine was from Mayweather Marquez. Started thinking about boxing in how like entire country he's get behind boxers, and I wondering how can the United States? It's not that popular as it is globally and I was just thinking I wonder what like the most popular global sports are like weird is boxing rank on the most Palm Narsingdi was pissed globally. Until you got me there I, know you. said. We were going to play a game. Yeah, I came up with a name I was like Oh. We'll call it. You're in for a treat, but it's not enough out. Oh! You are in for a treat, so so I googled it, and I was Kinda Soup I was surprised by what came back and I was as uranus surprise. You're in for a surprise as Like hey if you could you guess what you think? The most popular global sports are soccer and. Hold on a second cricket. What Star Okay rugby this. Stuck. This is a competitive game. How what are the rules I would love to tell? You gave me a chance. I'm ready. We're waiting. Hey, started with the piss stuff. It's not even ahead to tell you how to get by the way getting homes if he'd been gone for so long myrtle out of excitement, and then as I was telling him like, oh she pick her up, she dropped to the ground and rolled around and it was very beautiful. Governed in her own pace. Okay, sorry, keep going. Okay, so the criteria used for ranking global fan, base and audience viewership on TV TV, rights deals popularity on the Internet presence on social media. His Co. Vishnu leads. There's a bunch yet, just whatever. There's a whole lot of things. Go into why these eleven are picked. What I did is I. Assigned a point value also the number one. It's not that much. The number one ranked is worth ten points. The number two is worth nine. Feels like should be the other way around the number one. When should be easy? Nope, okay, so you get more points you guessed the top ranked one globally. Yeah, I understand you'RE GONNA. Take turns guessing sport if it's legitimates. Katie, sister podcast. Hey, great! She's I. Give it to Jay I'M GONNA. Give it to Jacob Caja leaving soon. Okay, so J. Your first. You're getting guests. People are saying that was the very mother Theresa like thing of me to. Do I'm not saying that, but for all of saints. Nobody's heard this podcast. I'm but I haven't livestream in a while is. Go You, it's your turn. It okay, that's right. That's the number one. That was stupid. It's OK as cricket. Cricket that's number two. This is where it starts to get trickier. Rugby. Rugby is number nine so j. you only get two points. It's tied for number nine. See now. The point system makes sense okay Ashley. I'm trying to think obscure. What are we counting as a sport? Like? Poker's not a sport. No and like either gaming. We're not counting as a sport. I mean it's They're not on the list. I don't Kow. I would assume united counting the Midwest. Yeah strike I know. Just you know what I mean like you never really come. Counter. Would you say the we're counting you both of the? Okay! So International. Sport. Can Run through all the criteria again if you want, it was like fans and TV rights and. Sponsorship deals average salary biggest competition relevancy throughout the year gender equality access to the General Public Andrew all the they give. That's nice. I'll say basketball than basketball number three. Nice. Tennis! Tennis number five's really good Jay. Golf. Golf is number eleven. Okay, but there were too tight for nine, so it felt weird nine including so I'm glad it. Good audio content think. I will seek. You WanNa say what I'm thinking because I'm not gonNA guess on thinking, and then Katie would be able to guess it. You know what I mean. Right right right to marry, the old I wasn't gonNA to increments swimming. You can guess J. No. I I appreciate that I do. You said cricket already right so I guess. A boxing. That was the original idea. No, no boxing. I don't know if this counts, but rather than ask if it counts I. Guess I'll just guess and I don't know if it's. The whole sport! If I need to be more specific, you can tell me that's what your Beck would do. Track and field. No okay. I don't. Baseball. Yeah Baseball's number eight. Okay which one? What's the highest were missing four, four, six seven, and the other tied for number nine. Okay What about? I mean the gender equality wants. Throw me off focusing on it too much. which I mean it's. My career. Just focusing on the gender equality too much. Because I was GonNa, say hockey, but it's not I don't think women's hockey in Russia is a as supported I. Don't know much about it. I'm an idiot I'm GonNa just gas now Let's say let's go ahead. Let's take a real risk here and you know because of its history and trying to think of a sport out loud Let's go with. Let's just say hockey. Hockey's reform. Ounce can be the next one that I took. was going to be really upset if Jay to get out three did I was absolutely going to take? I guess I mean this is maybe a different considered. I'm hoping that I get points for. This is like UFC slash. Is that one of them, it is not on. They're crazy. I would have thought that it would be fight sport you know. Boxing probably more than MMA like I think him as more of a domestic. And the ramp shocked the boxing. On their. okay. What about right interesting? There's going to be ones on here that you're like. L. Dull, but I completely forgot about. Really is obviously. A. I mean it can't be football, so don't look at me like that. She basically just gave you that I was. GonNa Guess they have. American football number nine not says little greasy. That was one of the first one Steve Guests in her practice round. You know all right the bit. You'd protested the big edge Ashley. Ashley are. You kidding me I've literally never done anything. Saddam to left number six and number seven. Number six and number seven. Yes okay. Jomie recap what we? Can I ask a question? Sure is like more Olympic sports. He asked that question. That's Tuesday certainly cannot ask that one okay. Why don't you go through what we've named in? Then? I will have more time to think okay so far at number one. We have soccer number, two cricket number, three basketball number, four hockey number, five tennis number, six and seven blink number, eight baseball number nine tied for number nine rugby, in American football in a row eleven Gulf going to do a quick tally of the points that we're at. Beating I took to else. Thank you get to canal. I'm about to take a third L. With this one. Here Dan hi Dan. Cackling. This is a real stretch K. Lacrosse. That's where I was going to go next. No, ooh, thanks for doing that then. Gosh, I'm. So I. This is going to sound stupid unless it's right. But Darts. No. Okay how up this? This is crazy. Just just you know where you are with scores right now. J. Currently as twenty one. Katie currently has twenty seven. Yeah, the two remaining are worth five enforce OJ gotTA. Get both okay or you wanted them. Volleyball yes. Not. Vowing. So now it's well this willing. Intense Game Jay now has twenty six points to twenty seven. Okay okay. Okay. Just you know when I wrote that down a wrote my twos two different ways. Jas whatever sport. This is more popular internationally than baseball. Okay. Because I was figure skating. I was like no. This I'm GonNa, give you. Know sometime not. Hints? Method I. Know you wait till next person's turn the navy? We'll take one, but not right now. Okay Let's say. Let's go with. Just because you know out of respect is an obvious one. This one's at your like you're forgetting an obvious one. Okay I think that might be women only. This is one of the one. This letter finish your sentence Jay. Where like it's one of the ones this is. This is a much less obvious one where you might be like Oh. That's a sport as a handball was what I was about to say. It is not handball. The other hint I was going to give since JAIL KATIE DOT! J. get one. You don't want it. No well. It's changed I. Okay, so I'm between to. Either GonNa say gymnastics or cheerleading. Okay, think it's cheerleading no. N- is not. They're paid. I was thinking about gymnastics, but then I was like more popular than baseball and seem right to me. God. That's a sport question. Mark is what she said so It's at bowling. No No data can. You not have any time to think so. This is actually I was really proud of myself. Because I thought of this when I was like running through it in my head, I was trying to think of just sheer numbers at all. I know the planet I know like what countries are like super into a sport that might have a really big population, and they're really into something in hats. Way on I was GONNA. Say One, but now I'm like what? He do yeah. I was GONNA say water polo. J. Table Tennis. Yeah, good J., those good. Jails come from behind victory. Good Job, J! You deserve it well. If I hadn't been given been gifted the first pick. This would have ended different as long as you remember that as long as. Mother Teresa say. I'm very uncomfortable with the classification. Makes me off every time people say that I'm just like Theresa People Do. chills down my spine. Hey, as the winner, Jay, why don't we throw it over to you? Champ for the a? Hall says don't Dila Cement by. We've seen Susan. It's a good. Small Joe also half. High. J. Will Follow. This is French news of so? In southern pulse there is the bull who is A. Been Seen Riding in a convertible car on the woods the highway. It is a booth, so it is A. Quite big like you know two thousand pounds, and he ends a backups convertible, and some people took a video of it. And they're going to. The beach wins the past burdens a convertible car. And it was eight. Hundred eighty pound is how big bullies backseats Ga! And Thousand Pounds I was overestimating and so then. Convert. Shelly FM, all soothe itchy. Station in false I think. Did some reporting and they said that Zule had. Come Zone property, and so he decided to have him back in the back seat of his Peugeot controllable. So good news falls this guy who got his book back. Good news for these people who took video and post to facebook. Because now they have more than one hundred thousand us, which is good for their. Popularity on facebook dot, com which is an important for some people and not others anyway. That is French News. So thank you and the A. I mean great. I guess really strong. I think we have time for one more voicemail, but before we do that. 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Shout out, Massachusetts. All love you mean it third of all the problem. Most of the time with questions is when they call, and they say their answer would be. My brain's like man. That's the answer. The answer is to never forget somebody's name I need that. I have the opposite of that in that I. Never Remember Anybody's name. Pose, the question was an everyday superpower. And now my brain is only like so when you meet people. What superpower do you need? That's not. It's every day. An everyday superpower as I knew prepped I have an answer, but I'm going to let you guys go first so that I can ensure I. Remember what answer I crapped. J.! No mind so good. I don't WanNa like I. Don't what is the on a salmon? It up. Yeah, that's exactly it well. I, do think that one very important everyday thing. Is being able to vamp really well while I actually, I, actually at one. That's really. Interesting. I was so busy trying to think of mine. I didn't even notice what he was doing. Okay I would like a good enough timer so that if I'm working on something whether it's writing an email whether it's giving notes on video whether it's like trying to lay down a rug street, there's a little sound macos. And it's like hey, that's enough like the person you're sending the email to. You've reached the level. Where like this is all they need or like? The public is not gonNA. Know if shift anymore frames. That's a you want to be like everybody else. No, that's very house very different. The ability to settle is your superpower. I want to know that like I want something to do the calculation that no matter. How are you mess him? Inching returns type of thing it's this is the level it needs to be like in a week. You'll forget that this is five degrees tilted show like. Don't fix it, God. This is good enough. I think mine would be not having to go the bathroom. What I think. NEVER HAVING TO GET UP IN P. That's what about pooping though Pook same great. Yeah, I mean you could. I just think it would? I would just eliminate that need to eliminate to eliminate. Getting rid of it, it would just somehow it would just go out a different. What would decide sweat it out? I don't know. Osama overthinking just mind would be not having to, because how many times in the Dave you've been like I wish that you could have you get up in p. for me. Have you ever thought that before? No, never like man I just don't WanNa. Get up from where I'm at right now. I think you don't play video games. Would actually that's probably why a lot of. Times. Yeah I love going to the bathroom because I get to shut the door and hide from the world whether it's at work or just thinking in the grand scheme of life quarantine were over like how many like when you're out somewhere, and you're doing something in your life like a concert. Or a movie near like they're not. Times! Yeah there times when you don't. I agree that yeah. There are times when our if you're in. If you are in public in your mask, then you don't want to be like you're at the supermarket. You don't have to be there when the shower definitely not the shower, certainly not the back to get out. With the bath is off, limits offline. I personal. Okay, what is mine is that I would like to be completely rested after only four hours of sleep. I have that already. Because my bar completely rested has dropped you whatever it is when I get four hours asleep. I've never felt not tired felt not tired since I turned twenty. That's what I mean. I don't feel tired and like. If I were able to only four hours enough, you'll tired then. I feel like I would be able to be so much more productive. I was originally thinking J. that I would want to be able to snap my fingers and be like you have energy and focus for whatever period of time it is broken our lemon. Yeah, just like snap visit my superpower. I can do that I have not. I A. Another another runner up for me is a is a double, edged sword, but if the only look at the good stuff I would say the ability to talk to dogs, not even necessarily hear them because I know people have said like. I wish we could hear what dogs were thinking I'm like no, you don't because you know. They don't love us as much as we think they do I. There are times where I wanna be able to tell myrtle like I'm yanking this out of your mouth, because if you swallow it, it's going to get stuck in your stomach and then you're going to have to. To have surgery. It's not because I don't want you to have the thing you want. It's B. It's like the Roosevelt tweet. You can't have this chocolate not because I don't want you to enjoy it, but because you'll die if you eat it like sometimes I just wish I could communicate to her so she. No, this isn't out of malice. This is to protect you, which has made me feel like I. Think about parenting lot ever since getting a dog or I'm like is my mom. 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The Smart Way to Buy Property

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The Smart Way to Buy Property

"Hey everybody welcome to listen money matters. I have enough money to last me the rest of my life unless I buy something my name is Matt. I'm here as always with Andrew Andrew. How are you in? What are you drinking sup dude? I'm just drinking some adult juicy juice okay. It's it's actually a beer from unsung brewing company. It's cyanic blackberry Tart tweet L. With blackberries is delicious is just really good. I love blackberry so so we're kind of a thing <hes> I am. I am copping out but I figured it's we have two podcasts record today day. I bought these yesterday and I'm excited to talk about them. It's not beer. It's called hop tea so it's it's carbonated black tea with simcoe in Sitra hops <hes> it's completely zero calories and comes in a tabloid can feels like I'm drinking a beer. I actually I haven't tasted this yet but they have five different flavors and they're made here in boulder and they they had the can looks like an actual beer. Everything about Doug Beer it kind taste like beer. You know my only worry is that if you're not drinking you're just not gonNA find any my terrible jokes funny. That's true well. I trust me. I will be drinking today I will I mean tomorrow's for the July so Um Massively Thick Dad joke book of all the worst view you gotta prepare you gotta you gotta you gotta bone up tested them out yeah <hes> our catchphrase today comes from Jackie Mason from Garrett via email. Thank you Garrett appreciate that and we need more catchphrases by the way sending yell catchphrases so that we can <hes> say them at the beginning of our show. Do you have something that you would love to hear Matt sultry sultry voice say and may embarrass his entire family. Send it to us. You heard it here first anyway today. We're talking about the smart way to buy a property and what to do when or what to expect when you buy your first home which to be honest. I've been nonstopping about this for like I don't know my whole chomping at the bit to to buy. I am chomping at the bit. I'm trying to minimize my expectations. I have I have flip flopped. I've gone back and forth on what I really want. I don't know what I want but I will say this. <hes> I kinda got a little curbed because I went on twitter which you should never go on twitter and that's where you get served right. It's there's really no oh good reason to go on to so I went on twitter to ask hey. I'm looking for the ultimate guide to buying a home. I'm not looking for an investment property. I'm not even looking to buy my first home. I just WanNa do it smart and I you know some people sent me you know Thomas sent me some stuff from read it which I was a little bit hesitant to read because I'm like well what the fuck is on a read it like who are these people. How can I trust who what people with these people are saying? I would have just sent you the communist manifesto why I don't know it's just like twitter. It was the <hes> I most people just sent me stuff that said read this article before you buy a home and it was basically why you shouldn't by a home why it's a stupid investments. Dom and you're an idiot Matt and I'm like first of all. I just WanNa House. Can I just have that can I can. I have a house where I have a garden. I can rip out countertops and do work myself like can I have a a giant toy than I live in. You know no one knows if I if I went on twitter and said like I need to find information on buying the best helicopter. It'd be like Oh fuck and helicopters are sweet man like you know all my friend bought a house. This is awesome and as soon as you're like I want to buy a house stupid hoop it terrible investment horrible like I don't want it for an investment. I WanNa fuck and live in it but at the same time I don't want to be an idiot and so I'm super glad we're talking about the smart way to do this. Because I'm kind of flip flopping onto ideas one is getting a house that I that is a little bit undervalued or underpriced. I should say fixing it up slightly and then you know living in it or just being a Goddamn baller and buying whatever the fuck I want because who gives a shit about any of this so that's kind of where I wanNA fall somewhere between the two. It's kind of where I want to be and that's actually think it's kind of a trap because most of the writing or things things you'll hear out there are people telling you like exactly like the line that you can go up to <hes> and like well as long as you buy and you're like this is what you can afford the eye and as long as like once you draw the line that you can afford. It is the job of everyone in the process to only show you things past that one right right I mean it's just like kind of the rule of capitalism all right so let's let's talk about step number one. which is what you just so sad? How much can you afford so if you kind of like look out their money interwebs <hes> <hes> the general and we've talked about this literally out today like five years ago right in the beginning getting in the podcast? You shouldn't spend more than a third of your take home income yes on rent mortgage. You know housing so that's per so let's assume you take home. Five grand a month than others add is difficult called numbers together six months when he eight hundred fifty no he'd bring home six thousand dollars a month yeah then you should your mortgage two thousand correct that but you know if you have a mortgage that would include. I'm sorry if you're renting two thousand or if you're buying it's you know the mortgage plus possibly nature way plus taxes and all of whatever goes along with the monthly payments yeah would be two thousand right so let me let me let me challenge for second just just for the alternative <hes> when I when I when I said on twitter I was going to buy a house where I wanted information on buying a house and really wanted to research urges episode in too because I am literally actively thinking in trying <hes> everyone set me Ra meets thing which was remade sad and who's building the show before he said that <hes> you know it's smarter to rent okay well. This is coming from a guy. I live in New York City. Why would why would you buy New York? City like your that's crazy right. <hes> of course you're renting and yes that makes sense and then at the same time he has this advice about money dials and you should spend money on the things that you love and not spend spend money on the things that you don't love and that's the fire principal and that's every all these new personal finance site. He talks. He's on a twenty twelve Mac book air -gratulations but but he'll like blow it out on everything else. So what if the house is that for me would if that is my money dial you know I wanNA home brewery. I want a nice kitchen. I work from home. I'm home all the Goddamn time I'd rather stay home than go to a bar. I agree with you. I am also home yell all the time but but I think that there's one caveat with that is so you love brewing beer and you buy all these cool toys around that and I don't even know how to pronounce half the things that you're buying but but <hes> if the tides were to turn in the wrong direction you could turn that dial down to zero right right and then then you could like an in this case I can't and buy new underwear and the thing is like yet because you're locked worked in <hes> like you're basically you're boxing yourself in and so you need to have space to fail or you know okay just wanted to point point point out there but you make. A good point and look <hes> rental properties are investments. Have you put money in fundraise. It's in real estate and it's an investment and what defines an investment. It's something that you earn money from whether it's with with income or you know but but like net year view you're earning money and with the home that is not the case and when the wanting to live in right and so it's a and we can get into the details of it but that's not for this episode code and so it's important to understand that it is not an investment and so don't trick yourself and when making this decision right and what you're saying about the money dials to is or what I was saying about the money dials and your counterpoint was like but but if things go south for whatever reason like you're locked in and so that could make you house four and you don't want that either like especially like if you if you spend like maybe you spend fifty percent and not a third. Maybe you're just like you know what I'm taking the risk. I love of my house. I'd rather spend fifty percent which is kind of how I feel. Just just that's GonNa make a house for just just know that and it's like either be okay with that and understand that like there's risks involved with that and I think it's just important to understand as well and to your first point like <hes>. If you find a place that needs some love and you can see where you can add value for example your dad does an kitchens and knows incredibly well like you could find a place with a shithole kitchen and with the help of your dad and his knowledge like actually make money on that sheriff so and this is how Lauren I approached our first place so I think you should go into that but like never above a third you you should shoot for twenty five percent and let this investment thought me a stepping stone to future place right okay. I obviously been doing a lot the research on this and I this is the biggest question I've had which is down payment <hes>. There's a lot of thoughts on this one. When I bought my first House I put down zero dollars ahead a six hundred credit score? I did not deserve a house. Okay I am. I am also an F._H._A.. I am paying P._M._i.. Forever I M my ten years later and you're still underwater still underwater yeah so it's like all right so my so I am not I am. I am a millennial. I guess by definition but I have a feeling and with the people that I've talked to a lot of people were kind of my age when the two thousand eight housing crisis happened and so everyone is got a little bit of fear in them now. I shouldn't generalize like that but I certainly have a lot of fear about not putting enough down and having P._M.. I for life or just getting being like just getting screwed and especially since it's been ten years since that event like I it just feels like I'm about to do it again it. You know what I mean like. It's just like it's a ten year. Anniversary just feels like this is GonNa fucking happen again. I'm going to get stuck doing cool thing with putting temporary twenty percent down a like excluding the part where it's just a ton of money you know and it's going to be painful. The cool part is that it's a ton of money and it's going to be painful and if you set that as what you need to do it actually prevents you from buying too early yeah and it excludes deals that you know are a little bit out of your range <hes> and and it winds up being cheaper issue actually when you are able to get the twenty percent you will get the maximum amount of house that you could afford when it comes to monthly payments right so yes you could buy a bigger house sooner. Are you put ten percent down but you're actually not getting the biggest house that you can afford if you abide by the like less than a third of your income okay so so what I'm doing in this particular scenario is I am saving mm for twenty and allowing myself to put down ten if an opportunity arises for okay but I've heard he's not enough. Why is twenty nine enough so they're they're closing costs <music> okay so twenty three to five percent of the home price so before the episode I was looking? I couldn't find I property. I think it was about five thousand dollars. The place I'm in now it was a little over ten thousand again loss us to close. You know not just money that you just nuke. Just go into the yeah yeah so how do you. How does somebody like me or anybody that means like for the majority thirty of people out there like buying a home is like kind of if you go after twenty five percent and depending on where you live and how much money you make it feels elusive? It feels like you can't it's impossible or feels like just forever like and I think that that's why hi home sales are down because that's that's the reality right. People are afraid of having two thousand eight again. Mortgages aren't as easy to get everyone's trying to be smarter that were you WanNa you WanNa put down twenty twenty eighty five percent for the houses where I currently live even in the not so nice parts like even not like where I currently live. That's a fuck ton of money. Even for someone like me and that's just GonNa be like Duda. I hauswald <unk> like I'll be forty by the time I get a house so I'm just saying like how do you how do you get over that. That's feels like feels the you'll never get there. That'll never get or just feels like it just kind. It feels deflating a little bit but you know like you have to. You have to rewind back bat like ten or so years when you were that buddy to your friends. It's like we'll match US bought a house and he has a B._M._w.. The right why can't I do this and it turned out. They were like all cumulative bad decisions. It's really not like people are just inherently going to overextend themselves yeah and so it's harder to do the best thing yeah standing on solid ground all right. So how do you save what what do you think are some of the best ways to get to twenty five percent so twenty said he will do house down like twenty percent down plus five percent closing is what you're saying. Let's just set yeah. I want to point out to like you know you can make the argument that like yeah. Just go rent man rent for the rest of your life who cares but it's like you know. Some people like housing projects. Some people WANNA family. They want stability all of these things I know dude. I'll tell you I find it very refreshing because so we had started the show together and you had all these goals and plans and you kind of did the things that need to be done to get you to the next phase and then we were not friends for a period of time. We didn't really talk yeah we met again and <hes> we kind of like worked on a lot of the similar things together like you were spending a lot in your business but I I remember like you were like I don't need a budget because like I'm like rich or something you know. It's like those little things and I remember like you kind of made it like a game like Lemme not spend this five dollars a month because it's death by thousand cuts yes and Lo and behold now that you want to do the house thing you started using meant yeah right and I have no doubt that you found waste. I have no doubt that you're setting goals yourself so that you could hit that twenty percent in a really it's what gets measured gets managed based like yet. I I've tried all the tools you I would love for personal capital to be the best one I would you know because they pay US money but you're meant is better just. <unk> awesome yeah you know they're gonNA hit should be awesome or it could be and I sometimes have wet dreams of me building that Yup and they're going to pitch you every credit card that exists when you create the account but the tool itself is free three and it's GonNa get you everything you need yeah <hes> it's going to work so yeah you have to budget so okay so so other things to to just Kinda like get your ducks in a row and make sure that you're ready because I think the down payment in is like the biggest most obvious piece yeah <hes> you have to get your credit in order and I don't know and actually I think you have like a pretty awesome credit yeah that I think there's definitely not a problem of mine <hes> and we we've episodes on that and there's a lot of small tactical things you could do for example. I one of the biggest metrics of a credit score is the percentage of on time payments <hes> and so the way that I think you did this. Yes you are lords of this as well the way that we've been able to hack it and I don't want to say I coined it but you know I thought it was like pretty clever. Is You just make more on time payments a month so opened up a bunch of Gano old navy card. Whatever Bullshit car put Hulu Lou on one put Netflix right on the other just easy spread the payments out so instead of taking ten years to get a ninety whatever percent on time you can get there and perhaps a year yep and then automate those obviously exactly weekly because she don't miss a payment? There's other tactics that you can go and solar episode so everyone of my credit cards has it. It hasn't auto pay the minimum just so it's I don't do that but that's like so you don't miss a payment. Yeah just set up that way but I actually go in and pay off the credit card each month. 'cause you know that's just what I do the that and that and the reason my credit score so high in that realm because because my credit to debt ratio is so low as below twenty percent because my every month my credit cards are paid off and I use my credit cards everywhere I don't carry cash don't carry debit cards. I just carry credit and I and then at the end of the month I just I just that's how I paid it off but that so my credit debt ratio is so high end I also call the banks you know frequently probably every six months or so and try to get my credit increase <hes> which increases your you you know. It'll it'll. It'll it'll yes lawyer debt to income right. Oh yes he got your credit score to get pre approved for a mortgage. You may have visions of getting a certain size house. Thanks won't let you then and you can't so that's the part I have a question about <hes> specifically for you. What is the difference between a lender and a broker now or later? I think the brokers essentially get a fee for closing Komi on that. I'm literally quoted on it. I'm pretty sure that's that's the case and so for example. <hes> wells fargo is definitely a lender yeah. They may also be a broker but often brokers are kind of like smaller smaller you maybe haven't heard of them before. They're going to go and check rates. Maybe get you a better ray from a small banking of a herd of so I feel like they're the middleman between you and the bank right there just shopping for you. What do you think's the better move? I would assume that going directly to do the shopping yourself to save whatever brokerage fee would be applied on top or whatever they would get. I I don't know but obviously they're going to have more connections than you will. Because that's the the thing that I want to figure out is WHO DO I. Who should I contact and so I'm correct distinction and often <hes> brokers seem cheaper because they have better rates you another getting whatever but because they're paid commission <hes> <hes> the closing costs and stuff so it will likely net higher may not always be the case so the so my so before? I even so like right now if I'm like ready to shop because it's like if you're not ready to go out and buy then you shouldn't really even get pre-approved because pre approvals. I think only last ninety days so <hes> like a rate lock you eilly and so the letter only last night and then better buy a house within the next ninety days yes so when I'm ready to go do that women are easily extendible. We have had ours extended. Also I think you can just call banks and get get like them to kind of. Give you a rough estimate so that way you know what you're what to shop out for like you know what your price range is and what you can be loaned up to so I remember doing this and the bank told me like Oh we can approve you up to like X.. Amount of dollars and I was like okay. Don't that's not in stone. It's not it's not a pre approval letter but like yeah yeah you can you can go with that number in mind you can at least put that into zillow you know so then once you're ready. You're ready to go like shop shop then you go through the whole you know get a pre approval letter from either a broker or a lender but I rather do the lending part because I think that I could get the banks to work for me. I think that you'll be able to get first of all if you go with a lender say like Wells Fargo as an example yeah <hes> just the one I have my mortgage with and they may not be the best now I know I used to do a lot of them. Offer things where if you get a debit card through them they'll knock some some amount of percentage off and then you literally make the payments from that account now round knocks on percentage off but what really drew me to wells Fargo over like other ones that were options is that they have an awesome well fleshed out online portal they will sink to everything like mint yeah and it's just like easy because we have rental properties that are literally under no-name companies. I'd never heard of an paying. It's like a pain in the boss. Yeah and you can take those that letter. He could take that offer and just keep going to different banks and saying well. This bank offered me this interest rate and this and they just let them fight each other force. You get it down because that's what you want. You want a low interest rate you WANNA hi. I'm assuming a high amount because then you're distrusted. If you had told you're probably not going to get that much knocked off by comparing probably leading with like little tiny right about their best still though I mean and every little bit counts right yeah I mean they must have like such insane volume like if they lose match of an easy as a customer. I'm sure they'll be fine okay. So what about the the I'm looking at the notes here. <hes> you know obviously you want the you have have to get your your credit score. You have your approval. You WanNa make sure every down payment in cash safe cash liquid cash right like from a well front account or or ally or you know whatever savings account <hes> there's a lot out of things to look at with the with the home but this idea that <hes> deciding between <hes> the type of mortgage the more and more I've read and the more of more I watched you know just kind of absorbing this like like it. There's just nothing better than a thirty year fixed because you are your your mortgage. Payments are going to be lower. Yes you're going to pay longer over a period of time but you're actually going to end up saving money especially if the price of the house goes up so oh and you're leveraging other people we talked about this a few episodes. Go I think in terms of the fifteen of the thirty year yeah you know especially with interest rates being so low. I don't know that I find fifteen years super appealing yeah yeah. That's that said <hes> I personally are Lauren. I personally have a seven one arm and I think the amount of risk that is perceived with the interest rates is. Far overblown from reality and I encourage you and actually widened Lincoln the show notes this is publicly available information all the interest rate values by month <unk> over time since like whatever the fifty since the tracking it doesn't really jump around a time and when it did it was when our parents were first buying their house and it's just it's not really the risk that you think it is. I think <hes> the amount of savings you're going to get with an arm like if in seven years it goes up. There's so many tools at your disposal to fix that for rather cheap <hes> I think you'd be may be crazy to not seriously consider them. Also this idea that like fifteen years is basically like Oh. My mortgage will be paid off faster right and <hes> Dave Ramsey would be like yes get you know no mortgage day Ramsey's like no more I think he might even say say only look at a fifteen or yeah <hes> I would encourage people to go to the mad scientist dot com or it's mad scientist DOT COM and get a new article read it. I did rebuilding till I did. I read it with Saito the time yeah basically the gist of it and I suggested go read it because it's packed full a numbers <hes> The guy's brilliant we've done awesome episodes of him like this is a site out anyways yeah agreed but this is actually from one of his readers who compared impaired paying off his mortgage to pudding that same amount of money in the stock market so he basically had enough money to pay off the mortgage any any split he basically paid off half the mortgage and did this other thing and then just kept and put money into a vanguard fund that paid dividends every quarter <hes> and measured how much he lost in made from both of those and it just turns out that you're his money was better spent with this vanguard fun than it was paying off his house early so in all the numbers are there. He has a spreadsheet. You can actually watch him track. This live I mean it's like a slow burn but on average the the markets returning twice <unk> as much as the interest rates these days I think if he's an boot a booming market right now so you know things may change when that great obviously paying your mortgage which is a guaranteed return yeah <hes> and to let so. You're not really getting that money back. Oh no no I agree. I mean like as whereas like he's getting pay interest on well. He's getting paid dividends evidence from this Vanguard Fund every month and he's putting it in his checking account. It's not even like reinvesting it I- i- super agree with just kind of like paying the monthly thing and investing yeah one thing when you go on Zillow and you run these calculators <hes> and I think Zule has like one of if not the best it winds up estimating things like taxes <hes> and I just like you gotTa have like an eye for that where you live. I have no doubt low property taxes here in boulder because it's a city you know and there's a lot of people there but as you kind of go into areas that that are more rural yeah property taxes go up. If it's a decent area you know an obviously school systems are highly tied to that <hes> so like right now lauren. I we have a very expensive place. We pay like four thousand issue year taxes yeah but not that far outside hoboken. You're paying like twenty something right yeah and so just little pieces like that like you really need to look an ad that into your calculation because it'll probably shrink the size of the house she can afford yeah and you don't pay city wage tax right. I'm outside of New York outside near okay <hes> all right well. I think that we pretty much covered a lot so we can move on to the second half <hes> before we do that. <hes> we are going. Take a quick break and of course we'll be right back so stay tuned hiring is challenging but there's one place you can go. 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This is the part that stresses me out the most and that's actually really finding a finding the house I have a friend who has been like legitimately looking for two years. Yeah I kind of and they happen as you kind of like. Refine your criteria of what what you want right. It's like well. There are now five houses that exist in the world like this right. Here is if the wait for one of them to turn yeah so last Friday I went to Mr Money Moustache headquarters in Longmont and talk to mindy from bigger pockets and you know she knows this area Colorado and I think the biggest piece of advice that she gave me as far as this is that there is always is a deal. There's always a house you know uni. This House you're looking at is not the last one no meteor like you might find the perfect house for you. You're like Oh my God then there will always be another one <hes> so that was reassuring shoring so it's like okay <hes> so a few things I took away from from all of this. I think one is that that was very reassuring to <hes> you gotta go. You gotta go to open houses. You have to drive around you like I mean in your case walk around but what we would. We got our first house. We were saying we were like you know thirty minutes away yeah you have to line them all up and it's kind of like if you do six houses in a day that's really impressive yeah and then yeah it's all the weekends that's all the open. Houses are <hes> what we've decided the mean staff mean Stephan I we are going. We actually don't really know the area any of the areas that we're looking at like. We actually don't know not that we care about schools or anything but we don't know what the fuck is around. We don't know what these houses look like. You don't even know what you know. We don't know what we don't know and so that thing. That's why that add a little bit to my stress level when I asked her this question like as like hey if I if you close your eyes right now. Could you drive through your entire hometown with your eyes closed. You know like just oh I totally could I mean to I would kill tons of people yeah right but I could to like. I knew where I lived so oh well and yet now that I live in this new area. I feel like I don't know where I live and I don't know what houses are out there. What neighborhoods are like and so we have a real estate agent? Who is a friend of ours who is just sending us a weekly email with the listings in our criteria in the surrounding towns plus where we live and then we what we've decided to do is just pick out a handful of them each week and take one day a week and just go drive to them whether they have open houses or not? Just go and see where they're located and look at the area. Look at the houses around it dude awesome idea so learn. I were thinking of getting a rental property. It's like union. It's next to hoboken yeah and we would go and just kind of Walk Union because you don't really like you see the types of people that are outside how they treat the area that they live in you know when you're on Zillow you have this like super punched in photo photo of the front yard that was just done before the photo and yeah but what's the neighbor's yard like is their house like desert tree about to hit the you know you just have to kind of like. Did you go to the coffee shops around there. Where do you work at coffee shops YEP and I? I really think it's important to kind of not go on Zillow. You know like if you're just like either you're serious or not like I understand that zillow is like very informal and if you're if you're informed like my buddy travis he loves the stuff like I I kinda just wish I could just pay him to look into send me listings that he thinks are dope and then it's like because he just he does it for fun. This is not fun for me. I don't like shopping in general so it's like the Oh do you like going into target and just like looking around Bucknell a lot of work. I want to go into target what I want and get the hell out and go and go home. It's what I don't care that they have wi fi. I'm not. I'm not spending all day there but that's house shopping for a house feels like wow I this is something I'm either going to have to love or get someone else to do because I just don't I just only shopping so zillow is is shopping. It's like it's being it's like it's going onto onto something hitting search and just looking it's like if you went to Amazon and just looked like dude. I know people enjoy that and that's for them so for me. I like the idea of somebody picking a criteria and just sending me a bunch and I can just sift through and go like it's like when I get my bomb fell package in the mail which I told you about last week. Did you actually sign up for it. I didn't they're not a sponsor obviously but <hes> I don't like shopping in general for closes specifically and so they pay me money. I probably would have said so every month they just get a box of clothes then to me. I try some on. I usually send them all back but you know every once in a while. I get a pair of jeans that I like or whatever <hes> and so like I love that because it's like someone else is doing the shopping for me and going this arrives. Sometimes you don't even try it on. I'm sure you're just like no no right exactly so that's good evening judgy yeah. That's been super helpful. I heard that red fin is better than villas. My Budhi almost exclusively use it okay. What else do you think people can do or I can do even to to start looking and finding so one of the the things that I found super helpful so you said you want my travis to comments like God and do the work for you? We'll because I know like he looks at the neighbor Aquino's like he can. Oh no I I totally agree like he knows the area. Yeah <hes> <hes> we had that some point three most points to real estate agents working for us. We didn't know that each other existed and they were sometimes they would show us or try to show US House already saw <hes> sometimes we actually go and see it again. <hes> these people are working with many many clients because they just need to make sales so you're important kind of <hes> and so if like you had a team of one like your bit constrained leaned and whatever but if you get like multiple there can have different ideas of things you might like they may talk to you about the same place differently right. I think you just have a big team. I mean who cares who you buy through hell well. If you really like one of the three better than the other ones yeah at the end of someone shows you how like just have the other one. Show a two yeah I'm also that's a good idea. I think I've been I've recently had update our criteria so like <hes> we've we've seven. I've taught back and forth about the things that we want in a home like the just have to like yeah this list of non-negotiable right. It's like <hes> like I wanNA fucking basement. I grew up with basement. I love basements. I want a drum set one day. I WANNA basement psych. Is that a rare thing no no but it's just like it has to have like I don't even want to look at a house furnished could no it doesn't no it. Does it could be no it can just be empty eighty because you could always furnish it yeah. No it doesn't no no not furnish it you mean finish finish finish finish and then furnish yeah so it can be an unfinished basement has to have a basement. We decided that it has to have at least a quarter of an Acre <music> so at least so we wanna yard so it has to be at least on a quarter which seems to be like the you know what I think. My parents have a quarter <hes>. That's what I grew up with. Is that something you'd filter by on Zillow in Renton. Oh okay cool. I have to have at at least three bedrooms two bathrooms and that was our minimum <hes> because we want office Ami want guests because we have a lot of guests that visit us because you know we don't like family. You're from the East Coast so you're people are having fun and yeah one of our non-negotiables non-negotiables essentially see like a was not until we had and then realized we can never go back yeah. I bet that is mine too but I've never do do window units for a year. You never know I've never lived anywhere that didn't have central air so we had <hes> we did three years in our first place without essentially see and like it was all about not not blocking the air conditioner ebbing everything aligned for airflow and you know I I stay in a couple of AIRBNB ahead. Hey mind it. There's always like really one or two nights. Yeah I don't know I I don't know that's one is an. I think I could live without that but I'm trying to that was ours was like we want yard space. We want a guest room for guests and I wanNA basement for soundproof. Basically <hes> anything else is like either bone like we thought we wanted a fireplace and it's like you know give or take. I don't care you know you know. He's just like things that you think are negotiable or non negotiable. You're like do you re- like really is that to cry like like I think the fireplace is a great example because it's like really you're not going to buy the perfect home because it doesn't have like this one luxury that you're probably a year at the end of the day you know what I mean. I think one thing I'm realizing kind of like a 'cause I'm here. I'm Mike putting myself in your shoes. Remembering how I was and I think you can imagine how like neurotic I am the things that I do like I remember going into places and making note of anything that was like imperfect because there's things that you can hold against them trying to do the price g you know for example we had this <hes> it was <hes> what was it was. It was hot water order and into baseboard so I was called there was a beast of a machine was yeah like yeah took a water heater right yeah but also has like the circular thing that connects the whole of the baseboards fell yeah and the guy came inspected the house and he's like <hes> it's like twenty years whatever it's like getting towards the end of the life on the thing and <hes> I just remember like harping on this thing so much and basically saying like if we buy this like we're GonNa have to get another one weeks or whatever and we got like a discount as a result not to man meanwhile we never replaced it <hes> and then I call the same guy who inspected at the first time and gave him a you know a nice check and he said it was. Fine second time yeah because it was fine right but oh I see what you did like so that's let's talk about that for a second because I know that that is crazy important to have when you shop is your own trusted home inspector uh right or that you know yes well okay so I didn't know him sure he worked. He was working for you right. He was on your side. Hey M the check <hes>. You may probably probably inspect Ma you yeah you will inspect multiple places because they won't work out the inspection will come out the way you want <hes> and <hes> for us it was like two hundred ish dollars yeah and I think like we just Kinda China gave him like two fifty right or something like that and just like it was like no no no to like just yet positives. Check yes and like you need someone like that in your corner because they can find things that might be e you know right well. Don't take 'cause like this can happen where like the the seller has an inspector. Although of course the seller's inspector is going to be working for the seller and not for you and you're the buyer you need to have your own person right so I think that I his told that was super important to have for sure and I would also say like <hes> the the property that has like a bidding war I just I know it's going to be great and you obviously want it because other people wanna but it is not for you you mean like don't get into a bidding war because what like this is. You're never going to spend more money on something than a house. I mean maybe a lear jet. If you ever get to that right but like thank you spent so much money in this place and you really need to have all these wins lined up. Say you feel good about dropping all this money you could sure tential and I think <hes> additional bids will will push your price up. It's going to nuke any of the things that you might use as part of the negotiation leverage yeah you know <hes> like for example when we were trying to sell our last place a move into here lining the deals up was difficult. We actually stay an extra month breath and our old apartment and I paid more than my mortgage to stay in the apartment that I owned so that the deal went through well and the thing is like I've really wanted this place and I needed to work and I was and you aw I'm a real tough negotiator. I'm real asshole when it comes to stuff and I just couldn't get it to fly and I paid more than I than I would regret that no because we wanted this and we were yeah. I think it was the difference of a couple of hundred dollars. It wasn't a lot to us then right but you wouldn't do that again. No the point is like I might do it again but certainly not for the first place and I guess it's all relative got up so you know now if you're buying a place one hundred thousand dollars you know a thousand dollars is a meaningful amount over by place. It's ten million dollars which I can't afford right you know a thousand dollars is inconsequential share once he would have to <hes> well ugh sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off those. What about timing like the time of year because here's what I heard I heard that winter is the best time to buy? If you want to do the deal that you told me a while ago to be like what you WanNa do is someone's going to be desperate to move out and it's going to have trouble selling and needs to move whether they got relocated or you know. They're you know you you know maybe they need to downsize or or whatever they're going to be selling their house in the wintertime you know or perhaps those will happen because not a lot of people sell during the winter they all sell in the spring and we've only done it in January. Why Okay so you do that on purpose or is it just this happenstance the first time <hes> we say he was like I think September and by the by three months Lauren I would have bought almost anything you know and I mean we literally bought like a Shitty ass place because like they just circumstances yes we had to do it and I think after doing that? We realized like no I mean we didn't really think about it. There's less houses on the market in the wintertime but the ones that are on the market chances are either. They couldn't sell it so they're under their their prices lower. They've been on the market for several days so there's leverage there <hes> or it's at a desk or it could be out of desperation and those are sale by owner. Someone is trying to save and they're n