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"hitler himmler" Discussed on Science Salon

Science Salon

04:29 min | 2 months ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Science Salon

"Of course he didn't because that's not how it works. You know it started back in nineteen. Thirty four sterilize. The feeble minded. Okay and then. Maybe we'll expanded to include the physically handicapped and and by the way the workshy they're not helping the nation either and then and then we'll why we're sterilizing them while there's some that are pretty weak. Let's just kind of give him an overdose and then got away with that. And then all of a sudden you're exterminating your own. Citizens not use just german regular german citizens. That are not doing anything wrong. Other than they don't fit the nazi ideology such that by the time the catholic church spoke out thirty eight and there was some press about. Hitler's told it. There's a memo from hitler himmler saying we're not going to put this in writing. Don't ever speak of this and then in that famous posed in speech ller gives you listen to online. He's he talks about going back to the early thirties. Remember when we all i started. He's talking to the s a leaders under him and how we decided. This is the history. We will never speak of again. But we got to buckle down and really keep going and so on. He's he's talking about that and that we never write about this. We never put it in right. So that's the answer to david irving's thing but but the larger point here is that it's it's a gradual process. You know you start just the nazis at number said. Where'd you get this idea of. Sterilization computer from america california sterilized. Something like seventy four thousand people in the course of a few decades right. We were doing that. The americans. yeah that's right and so you know we had more laws and checks in place you know and didn't have a dictator takeover to cancel that stuff but the moment you start down that pathway. That's why you gotta stop early absolutely. I think it's about principle. And i think it's also about some kind of arrogance that we have that well..

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on Strange Brew Podcast!

Strange Brew Podcast!

07:08 min | 3 months ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Strange Brew Podcast!

"And the black eyes are crazy. Monkey that can't be find. It's the guy who made the whatever advertising but then you go through. Advertising approve it. There's so many things that had to have gone through for them to just be like. Oh yeah okay. that's free. No guys jim black person on your fucking team so they could be the guy that judah dixon other movies disney's fault even though not compilations of one of the rescuers is where they go by plane. There's a porno playing weather. Windows forgets fucking asked this again. Yes bothering me for a long time is a compilations compile. Compilations what the fuck. That's what i've always thought. But as i've said that to like three people there like it's compile elation oregon but they actually make sense videos nope but that's because they watch compilation. They'll see come pilots but into the embrace that means a bunch of things. You're compiling those. I had fun with the trump election. Well i think that's something we all think is right. That's i face fuck. Let's say that we do. We need to stay on topic. Was like i was listening to you guys. I forgot we guys. We've even talking about. But he's not so far fucking. Stay so strange bruise. Yeah we're drinking man season before hitler himmler was particularly attracted to willie god's brand of paganism as he disliked the druick originate origins of christianity and after world war. Two hitler believed that the old german god's will be restored like before when before his any of the ones we win. Oh fucking ancient greece. They wanted ancient german guards. Were almost like roman gods same kind of shit where a guy the same gods for like did they a mountain. It's just a bunch of different gods. Just like how romans and fucking greeks have all these like hercules. And what. i'm saying we're one of those as well does some roman gods or did they just make their own. I don't know that far back. But i know that they had never heard of german. God god's it's it's weird. I'm sure that one it was going to say. Yeah i. I've said this before. But i remember saying when i was in cuba and i was drinking and talking to a german guy was from germany. I said i'm sorry that hitler ruined everyone's idea of your country and he's like i. I was so drunk. I remember i remember talking about. Yeah it sucks man. He's like one guy comes in and everyone thinks germans are evil. He's just like staring at me. Yeah say the same thing for the middle east and americans think of them. Yeah it's true so do per fine people a lot of them. No they're all fucking way more than have. I didn't mean to actually say yeah we have listeners. Ask not everyone is everyone. Everybody loves everybody right. All right everybody except for doyle rules. I should fuck up. So leveraging his influence and his his boss desire to see german paganism willie got attempted to stamp out the competing. Philosophies there are some wackier theories out there that were about their about the rule of the call to played in nazism. Most of which were there's little evidence to support them but we're gonna get into them. Perhaps the most extreme in a way comforting example. It's comforting would be the idea that hitler was possessed by a demon. So it's like comforting. That human couldn't actually think are capable. Yeah fucking so. This is a little bit worse. A theory yeah. He took kill six billion. That was actually lie. Actually kill six million kids six. You do it with his own hand. Six million. that was appropriate last week. It was like this pope. Six hundred thousand people. I was like what did he killed them or to the fucking people. He said he was just in charge. Yeah that doesn't mean he saw in that logic. Then obama is evil piece of shit because he just was like kay we're gonna there's certain parts of the middle east just like feis jearl yet. Norfolk started dropping hospitals and shit. Yeah can't do that jerry. Jeudy you don't fucking kill the hospital. People man oil yaffe the wrong person. Call a duty like fucking kidding me in these new back at start the lake. You are fucking guard. Go learn your morals. So this theory of hiller being possessed was mainly off of a passage. Hitler underlining a copy of a book titled magic history theories and practices reading here who does not carry demonic seeds within him will never give birth to a new world so they think that he was possessed by some sort of demon. How many people are giving birth to new worlds millions of worlds. There could be a simple. Did they all live on her now. All the people giving birth to new worlds now. Maybe you don't know trying to. But maybe stopping them. There has also been rumors of an occult society based on the real. Which is this is some super d- day could be in who episodes own a magical substance describing the book the coming race. That's the iron scraping coming rates. Nice this tonight. This nineteenth century work of fiction describes a traveler. Exporting cave who becomes lost in discovers a subterranean civilization people supernatural beings called the real young which is actually what. Madam vasco talks about two. So it's just like oh. This book is based on fiction. But it sounds true. So so it's like harry potter harry. Potter's a fucking real thing. Billy we discussed. We talked to in the novel. These beings made up fluid called real which they could telepathically manipulate to. He'll destroy change their surroundings. All of the existence of an occult society focused on a supposed real version of the real are unverified. It's not difficult to imagine that the such a society coulda found. I think in whole hole in the colt obsession of nazis in this society that they were doing like. Oh there's a liquid that can destroy your. He'll usually it's like why it like three hundred thousand dollars to get verified probably further speculations about some some content contend that hitler and the society. We're together secretly found a secret toll. Ian government is where we're going found.

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

Timesuck with Dan Cummins

05:30 min | 5 months ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins

"At the time massive dude six foot three two hundred and sixty five pounds of solid muscle back when that was not even remotely common for professional athlete. Most of his wrestling opponents were fifty plus pounds lighter than him not even close to his muscular is the man who wrestled under the moniker of the bavarian He was also based on pictures. Very harry probably monitor Why would a wrestler be recruited into operation paper clip because this wrestler was also a chemist who knew a lot about anabolic steroids. Of course he did. He didn't invent them but he did invent a way to efficiently synthesize them and inject them into the human bloodstream and the us military thought that they could use his knowledge of anabolic steroids. To create a new class of super soldiers. The marvel character of the hulk who showed up in nineteen sixty two based largely on. Magnus von braun mangoes famously once wrestled an actual razorback gorilla in a private cage. Match with only hitler himmler and a few other high ranking nazis as witnesses. Let's get ready to own the cave today. We have the bulgarian two hundred sixty five pounds early racist muscle today. He's opened his girl like an instant jewish fellow citizens who has never done anything to hammers. Family just happened to be born into different culture and religion and in the other corner we have a very confused razorback carrillo rob from the jungles rapper. Why not start. Starting delegates demand money even though he's not intellectually capable of understanding the content of the cards last june banks not wrestle He didn't know anything about anabolic steroids. My knowledge doesn't appear the nazi germany had any sort of professional wrestling league. Either like what we're used to. American lisa are just helped. You know a few. You believe that nonsense all the way through the noise. Who was magnus really. Wish you with essar. I wish was what i just described. Now he was a chemist and engineer who offer time also worked on the v. Two program and nazi germany alongside his brother verner and it was magnitude. Who made sure that once it was clear germany would lose world war two v. Two rockets will be turned over to the americans. Not the russians. The two team was on the run in may of nineteen forty-five when magnus encountered a young american private fred schweickart a german speaker. Fred yelled in german. Stop come forward and keep your hands up and magnus replied in broken english. My name is magnus von braun. My brother invented the v. To leave suspender schneider reportedly told magnus you're not but he did get his superiors to investigate his claims. The thing he didn't handed over to british intelligence books again fairly with the top guys claims and all the other last. Ignore it Fortunately using tellers believed the story. Same afternoon magnus return to tell someone fellow scientists that he had made arrangements with the americans and six months later the von braun brothers were on their way to the us aboard the s s argentina. Along with several other key members of the veto team along with colleagues he took up residency and a former hospital at fort. Bliss shared a knowledge with the americans along with technical documents and blueprints magazine on to have a very long and successful career with chrysler motor company. Ironically working out of london later in his career a city had helped bomb before he retired at the arizona. Desert nineteen seventy. Five fox is at one of the guys who built the atomic bomb dropped on hiroshima then taking a job at some company in hero shema a few years later so so what do you do during the war. Well i took a squirrel squirrel going to get back to work. Nice doc magnus would die in two thousand and three in phoenix at the age of eighty. Four it was buried in his verion werewolf outfit and and his championship belt Now let's meet some even more controversial operation paper clip figures. Some the doctors who similar to mandalay had performed experiments on human beings horrible experiments Dr walter schreiber that developers. Should i be one of those two vaults with almost identical names was a prominent epidemiologist and will re. Why can't why can i say I can say epidemiologists just fine and then like a word. That shouldn't be as hard as bucket. Do talking about it This guy was well regarded biology. Professors well became a nazi scientist. Schreiber was a medical student when world war one erupted nineteen fourteen at which point he voluntarily enlisted in the german army. He was wounded early in the conflict after his recovery resumed. His studies then served as a military doctor until the war ended. After the war he became a professor of biology hygiene. Became one of the world's foremost experts on epidemics just prior to world war two. He rose to the rank of major general in the veteran mocked medical service. He was also a member of the right. Rice research council Where he conducted cruel and sadistic medical experiments on prisoners. A schreiber introduced the use of lethal phenol. Injections as a quick and convenient main means of executing troublemakers. It's his his quote. He conducted experiments on prisoners and auschwitz by freezing them in order to examine the effects of extreme cold at the Robin brooke women's concentration camp. Just outside berlin. He conducted experiments on female prisoners by cutting open their legs deliberately infecting them with gangrene then giving these previously healthywomen unnecessary bone transplants. Faulk and of course. No painkillers for any of this The subject of experiments usually suffered slow an incredibly deaths. At the end of the war. He was captured by the red army taken to the ussr where he was imprisoned. Unfortunately he was not tortured mercilessly. There is captured soon discovered his true identity in the soviets then put him to work providing medical care to high ranking german prisoners..

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on Based On a True Story

Based On a True Story

05:46 min | 11 months ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Based On a True Story

"To do. We can get a sense for the wording he used from a handwritten document by Adolf, Eichmann, where he made a plea to the judge during his trial. This was made public in two thousand sixteen. Here is a quote from that document which was written by Eichmann on May twenty ninth. Sixty two. There is a need to draw a line between the leaders responsible and the people like me forced to serve as mayor instruments in the hands of the leaders. I was not a responsible leader and as such, do not feel myself guilty. He also said it is also incorrect that never let myself be influenced by human emotions specifically after having witnessed the outrageous humid atrocities I, immediately asked to be transferred. Also during the police investigation I voluntarily revealed horrors that had been unknown until then in order to help establish the indisputable truth finally, he asked for pardon, I am not able to recognize the court's rulings as just and I ask your honor, Mr President to exercise your right to grant pardons and order that the death penalty not be carried out. His request for a pardon was denied. At the beginning of this episode, I mentioned the four counts that Herman Gerring was charged with during the trials at Nuremberg. On December Twelfth Nineteen Sixty one Adolf Eichmann was convicted on fifteen counts of war crimes, crimes against humanity membership in a criminal organization and crimes against the Jewish people. Three days later, the sentence was handed down. Death by hanging. But Eichmann and his lawyers appealed the verdict. So it went to the Israeli supreme. Court. Even though we don't see any of this in the movie, there is something that we see happen in the movie that happened during this time. While, the appeal is being heard, one of the people who wrote to ask for clemency. Your, mercy on Adolf, Eichmann behalf was his wife Vera. When it became obvious. The appeal wouldn't go. Asked. The judge for something else? She asked to see her husband. In the movie, we see this as a request that Oscar Isaac version of Peter Malkin, promises to Adolf Eichmann in exchange for signing the document at the safe house in Argentina. At didn't really seem to be how it went down, but the visit did happen. It would just seem that it was coordinated by WSF the Justice Minister at the time. He determined that Israel would receive international criticism if they denied various request. So. They let the meeting happened on condition. That condition was that she would see him and then within twenty four hours, leave the country. They also made sure that the two were never alone. So she couldn't slip him something that he could take to prevent them from administering justice as the movie pointed out had happened for Hitler Himmler and Goering. Adolf Eichmann's appeal to the Israeli Supreme Court was officially denied on May thirty first at eight PM local time. A few minutes past midnight on June. First nineteen sixty, the sentence was carried out. As. The story goes his final words were Hong Germany long live Argentina long live. Austria. These are the three countries with which I have been most connected and which I will not forget I. Greet my wife, my family, and my friends I am ready. We'll meet again soon as the fate of all men I, die believing.

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

04:05 min | 1 year ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on KTOK

"The holy grail in alchemy and all the fees these mystery schools we see them we see them recurring frequently throughout history but it's it's in these kinds of groups that were obsessed with the holy grail and is there any evidence that Hitler Himmler the **** suspected that the Templar treasure including the arma Christi these artifacts associated with Christ's crucifixion that they wound up in North America there's no evidence that Hitler Himmler believe that they looked all around from one of the places they did not look was North America now having said that you know it's not like it's not like they had access to North America at that time so we don't really know you know what they knew what they suspected one of the fascinating things I learned even after writing the book was that Himmler had these crystal skulls of a White Christmas gonna black crystal skull that he also believe were had magical powers in and might lead him to the holy grail and are similar kinds of skills that are part of the native American legend so although Hitler we don't have evidence was looking towards North America and may have been that Himmler was the other is evidence he was doing some work in in in central and South America also so again it is we we we have we have hence of these things but not hard evidence and in the book in in the the the fictionalized version of this remarkable story we have another group that is in modern times that is also hunting for this treasure in and these are the neo **** of that exist in small numbers but they're out there in in America they're also looking to get their hands on on the the arma Christi right right so again this is a fictional thing but as you said there are not seek neo **** groups out there still today this particular group one of the interesting little little twists is they pick up where Himmler last thought it was really Himmler who as much as Hitler didn't have any use for Christianity it was Himmler who really look at the next the next step and really wanted to reintroduce the old gods the old guard the Old Norse gods for for example the old pagan gods and and he in the S. S. he would encourage his soldiers to celebrate the old pagan celebrations for example the cross quarter days dancing around the may pole at Beltane those kinds of things and so my my neo **** groups have sort of pick that up I don't think people realize that that Hitler was a real Tegan celebrants that was one of the things he was really promoting was a return to these old agrarian pagan celebrations the cross quarter days the equinoxes and solstices of interesting part that that interesting to be part of the research that I didn't know about until I started diving into the story and getting back to the holy grail as your research led you to any conclusions or I don't know suppositions about what the the actual grail might be is it a chalice is it some sort of a record of well some people believe that you know Christ married to Mary Magdalene and they had children etcetera and that's with the grail is it's a it's kind of a a list of his progeny so my personal opinion and this comes from that eleven seventy nine travelogue that I mentioned earlier one of the things that in the travelogue it says that the Templars retrieved in the Catskills things have been brought over earlier and they were coming over to retrieve them was a scroll that contain the marriage contract between Jesus and Mary Matalin now if such a marriage contract were do exist obviously that the incredibly important historically also fairly controversial an explosive but that may be the thing that the Templars discovered when they were in Jerusalem in the early eleventh century a little sentry that that they were leveraged into a position of power against the church is not the type of.

"hitler himmler" Discussed on KTOK

KTOK

04:19 min | 1 year ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on KTOK

"His own its own order call the order of the Golden Fleece which again another secret or that studied the holy grail in alchemy and all the fees these mystery schools we see them we see them recurring frequently throughout history but it's it's in these kinds of groups that were obsessed with the holy grail is there any evidence that Hitler Himmler the **** suspected that the Templar treasure including the arma Christi these artifacts associated with Christ's crucifixion they wound up in North America there's no evidence that Hitler Himmler believe that they looked all around from one of the places they did not look was North America now having said that you know it's not like it's not like they had access to North America at that time so we don't really know you know what they knew what they suspected one of the fascinating things I learned even after writing the book was that Himmler had these crystal skulls a a a a White Christmas gonna black crystal skull that he also believes were had magical powers in and might lead him to the holy grail and are similar kinds of skills that are part of the native American legend so although Hitler we don't have evidence was looking towards North America and may have been that Himmler was the salary evidence he was doing some work in in in central and South America also so again it is we we we have we have hence of these things but not hard evidence and in the book in in the the the fictionalized version of this remarkable story we have another group that is in modern times that is also hunting for this treasure in and these are the neo **** that exist in small numbers but they're out there in in America they're also looking to get their hands on on the the arma Christi right right so again this is a fictional thing but as you said there are not seek neo **** groups out there still today this particular group one of the interesting little little twists is they pick up where Himmler last thought it was really Himmler who as much as Hitler didn't have any use for Christianity it was Himmler who really look at the next the next step and really wanted to reintroduce the old gods the old guard the Old Norse gods for for example the old pagan gods and and he in the S. S. he would encourage his soldiers to celebrate the old pagan celebrations for example the cross quarter days dancing around the may pole and Beltane those kinds of things and so my my neo **** groups have sort of pick that up I don't think people realize that that Hitler was a real Tegan celebrant that was one of the things he was really promoting was a return to these old agrarian pagan celebrations the cross quarter days the equinoxes and solstices since the part that that's interesting to be part of the research that I didn't know about until I started diving into the story and getting back to the holy grail as your research led you to any conclusions or I don't know suppositions about what the the actual grail might be is it a chalice is it some sort of a record of well some people believe that you know Christ married to Mary Magdalene and they had children it's that trend that's with the grail is it's a it's kind of a a list of his progeny so my personal opinion and this comes from that eleven seventy nine travelogue that I mentioned earlier one of the things that in the travelogue it says that the Templars retrieved in the Catskills things that have been brought over earlier and they were coming over to retrieve them was a scroll that contain the marriage contract between Jesus and Mary Matalin now it's such a marriage contract were do exist obviously that the incredibly important historically also fairly controversial an explosive but that may be the thing that the Templars discovered when they were in Jerusalem in the early eleventh century a little sentry that that they were leveraged into a position of power against the church is not the type of thing the trucks and want to come out so your comment that essential of the holy grail being.

"hitler himmler" Discussed on KGO 810

KGO 810

14:19 min | 1 year ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on KGO 810

"The coast a up on KGO eight ten David Brody stays with us the the author of treasure Templar a Templars **** and the holy grail so we were talking about this a painting they get altar piece which was really revolutionary this piece of work by the van Eyck brothers back in the the fourteen twenties and it's the most stolen painting in history so it's recovered up was it G. recovered after the war by the allies right so the **** stole the the the painting after they rolled into Belgium and then at the end the allies recovered at the very end of the war but hitting the reply button a little bit back to nineteen thirty four this one particular panel those one panel that for some reason people believe once the maps of the holy grail called the just judges panel that panel stone even before the war in nineteen thirty four it was obsessed with it on one of the possibilities is that Belgium Belgian nationalist building patriots stole it fearing that Hitler was gonna get a hands on and eventually and they took it as a preemptive move but that the mystery about this penalty is that one panels Nevin recover even though the other parts of the of the of the painting other fifteen panels have been recovered that one channel that map to the holy grail has never been recovered so Hitler believed that the just judges panel of the grand altar piece would lead him ultimately to on covering the Templar treasure which might lead him to the holy grail in all of these other Christian artifacts exactly and what did Hitler imagine that he could do with these artifacts and he thought he was an occultist he hated Christianity why did you want the holy grail so badly he did a Christianity but they also recognize the power of these artifacts apostle power these artifacts are two things you wanted to do three things actually one he wanted to weaponize them could be possibly turn for example the sphere destiny into some kind of weapon using the the magic that was associated with it secondly could he monetize the treasure and use of the fund is war efforts and then thirdly if Jesus was was immortalized by the common forms of the whatever wise could Hitler himself become immortal so he really had three different motivations as far as I could recovery both the armor Christy the the the the the items out of the crucifixion by the cross fear death in the crown of thorns and also the Templar treasure itself the spear of destiny the spear of Longinus me that that the artifact pops up now again throughout history it has it has been possessed by emperors one of the legends is that whoever wrote into battle caring this spear of launching these could not be defeated correct exactly and that's one of the reasons why you want to recover it and then this goes back even before the war started he had sent out expeditions it into the Hanalei is up to the Arctic Circle down to Africa looking for looking for all these artifacts and again as you said he was in a cult that so he was obsessed with this as you also said he did not like Christianity he believe that Christianity was too weak a religion for for the right then this this turn the other cheek this meek will inherit the earth even believe any of that stuff but he did recognize the possible power of these artifacts and Himmler also wanted to get his hands on the just judges panel but he thought that the the the map and that was sort of the encrypted encoded into this panel led to something else right he also won the cultists he was obsessed with the ancient civilization of Atlantis and their technology so like Hitler he wanted to weaponize as he thought them the judge judges panel was a secret map leading to some kind of portal that would lead to the underground Atlantis technology that was buried someplace and again he wanted to use this technology to win the war so both of them were sort of doing a tug of war over this over this potential map for different reasons but the same goal the goal again world dominance no why would they come to such complete Lee are polar opposites conclusions about what this this panel of the get older piece was leading to wipe on the one hand we have the holy grail and on the other hand the treasures of Atlantis I mean what was it about the just judges panel that that could lead to such opposite conclusions right that's one of the mysteries of the image it is hard to get inside the head of of these these not to leave it there a little bit off the wall obviously so it's hard to it's hard to be rational I think it rational answers to what they believe the short answer is that this whole nights temple are the mystery of the temple ours and the possibility that the Templars had the holy grail I mean that was something that had been carried forward ever since they were they were outlawed in in thirteen oh seven and that's you know we still see that today but this idea that there's this this this treasure out there this unknown treasure this magical cachet of religious artifacts of some kind and it's very seductive and when you when you get when you couple that with the power that the **** had enough power they're trying to acquire you just end up with these crazy ideas that all for you only get that we can win the war we would have the world dominance that that should be our in the you alluded to in the book and I don't know if this is of a piece of fiction or whether this also is rooted in history but Hitler got wind that the just judges panel might still be in Belgium and he dispatched one of his evil minions there to recover it and what happened to him when he failed to recover it he knew that Hitler was was was was not gonna be sympathetic to his failure and so we committed suicide yeah that actually happened only that that was a lot of a better fate than Hitler would give him but he that would that that just shows how obsessive there was with finding these items fighting this this map that he believed it was the just just as a panel that actually did happen let it happen yeah in your book in this piece of fiction the the just judges panel is actually recovered and so the the main protagonists in the story Cameron in Amanda there was sort of hired I guess to try and decipher the code in this panel that that leads to the template treasure and that leads them you know hither and yon all over the world and finally North America right right so when I try to do with the with this these novels is take actual site an actual artifacts in in weave them into a story one of the the things I use one of the ingredients I use in this story is a journal from the state eleven seventy nine it was found into in war torn Italy after World War two and we call this document the Cremona document this journal the Cremona document we're not quite sure if it's authentic or not many people believe many researchers believe it is but what it is is it's it's a it's a journal written by temple our soldier from a little the year eleven seventy nine eleven eighty talking about a journey across the north Atlantic and ending up in what we now know was the Catskill Mountains of New York and what that journey and killed was bringing treasures of the town plaza recovered in Jerusalem over to New York over to the New World to this to hide them to keep them away from the church and other enemies and then bringing some things back to Europe that had been said that has been brought over earlier so in my story one of the places that the protagonist go looking for this Templar treasure is the capital region region of New York no need to circle back to the van Eyck brothers who painted the ranch altar piece and this was in the fourteen twenty so this is over a hundred years after the knights Templar organization had been abandoned hunted down and and perhaps expelled from Europe so with the van Eyck secret lady harboring a knights Templar what what was their connection right so so just as you know when when when the U. S. government passed anti racketeering laws in the nineteen sixties which effectively outlawed the mafia Monty didn't go away they went underground so similarly when the church and the kings of the monarchies of Europe outlawed the knights Templar in thirteen oh seven going forward the Templars didn't disappear they just went underground they reconstituted themselves many of them ended up going to Stalin which is one of the few countries at the time which did not outlaw them and so yeah we have to think of it in in in in that context that the Templars didn't disappear they went underground and as I said reconstitute themselves flash forward to the early fourteen hundred a hundred years later and they're still many groups that were doing the same things have lots to do and when I say doing them a pilot studying the old mystery schools mysticism and and the things that that that that that thanks Templars passed on to freemasonry today one of the leading members of that circle was a gentleman by the name of it the Duke of Burgundy Philip the good he was called to do but actually he was the king of the lands we now know was Belgium the Netherlands in northern France he was an incredibly powerful monarch during that time period but he was obsessed himself with the holy grail legend with the stories of the temple ares with mysticism without them the and it turns out he was the patron of yon van Eyck and with the the commission this painting in Belgium and we take I think he's sort of the Lynch pin he is the tie in back to the temple our tradition add going backwards so before they're outlawed and then going forward into the it's it's through the fifteenth century and even going for beyond that but it's people like him he created his own its own order call the order of the Golden Fleece which again another secret or that studied the holy grail in alchemy and all this these these mystery schools we see them we see them recurring frequently throughout history but it's it's in these kinds of groups that were obsessed with the holy grail is there any evidence that Hitler Himmler the **** suspected that the Templar treasure including the arma Christi these artifacts associated with Christ's crucifixion they wound up in North America there's no evidence that Hitler Himmler believe that they looked all around from one of the places they did not look was North America now having said that you know it's not like it's not like they had access to North America at that time so we don't really know you know what they knew what they suspected one of the fascinating things I learned even after writing the book was that Himmler had these crystal skull sub White Christmas gonna black crystal skull that he also believes were had magical powers in and might lead into the holy grail and are similar kinds of skills that are part of the native American legend so although Hitler we don't have evidence was looking towards North America and may have been that Himmler was this other evidence he was doing some work in in in central and South America also so again it is we we we have we have hints of these things but not hard evidence and in the book in the the the fictionalized version of this remarkable story we have another group that is in modern times that is also hunting for this treasure in and these are the neo **** that exist in small numbers but they're out there in in America they're also looking to get their hands on on the the arma Christi right right so yeah this is a fictional thing but as you said there are not seek neo **** groups out there still today this particular group one of the interesting little little twists is they pick up where Himmler last thought it was really Himmler who as much as Hitler didn't have any use for Christianity it was Himmler who really look at the next the next step and really wanted to reintroduce the old gods the old guard the Old Norse gods for for example the old pagan gods and and he in the S. S. he would encourage his soldiers to celebrate the old pagan celebrations for example the cross quarter days dancing around the may pole at Beltane those kinds of things and so my my neo **** groups have sort of pick that up I don't think people realize that that Hitler was a real Hagen celebrants that was one of the things he was really promoting was a return to these old agrarian pagan celebrations the cross quarter days the equinoxes and solstices of instant partner that interesting be part of the research I did know about until I started diving into the story getting back to the holy grail as yours research led you to any conclusions or I don't know suppositions about what the the actual grail might be is it a chalice is it some sort of a record of well some people believe that you know Christ married to Mary Magdalene and they had children etcetera and that's with the grail is it's a it's.

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"David Rohde stays with us the the author of treasure Templar a Templars **** and the holy grail so we were talking about this a painting they get altar piece which is really revolutionary this piece of work by the van Eyck brothers back in the the fourteen twenties and it's the most stolen painting in history so it's recovered was it recovered after the war by the allies right so the **** stole the the the painting after they rolled into Belgium and then at the end the allies recovered at the very end of the war but hitting the reply button a little bit back to nineteen thirty four this one particular panel there was one panel that for some reason people believe once the maps for the holy grail called the just judges panel that panel still even before the war in nineteen thirty four it was obsessed with it on one of the possibilities is that Belgium Belgian nationalist building patriots stole it that Hitler was gonna get a hands on and eventually and they took it as a preemptive move but the the mystery about this penalty is that one panel of never been recovered even though the other parts of the of the of the painting other fifteen panel had been recovered that one panel that map to the holy grail has never been recovered so Hitler believed that the just judges panel of the grand altar piece would lead him ultimately to on covering the Templar treasure which might lead him to the holy grail and all of these other Christian artifacts exactly and what did Hitler imagined that he could do with these artifacts and he thought he was in a cultist he hated Christianity why did he want the holy grail so badly he did hate Christianity but they also recognize the power of these artifacts apostle power these artifacts are two things you wanted to do three things actually one he wanted to weaponize them could he possibly turn for example the spear of destiny into some kind of weapons using them the magic that was associated with it secondly could he monetize the treasure and use of the fund is war efforts and then thirdly if Jesus was was immortalized by the common forms of the whatever wise could Hitler himself become immortal so he really had three different motivations that as far as I could recovery both the armor Christy the the the the the items out of the crucifixion of the cross fear that the the clan of the ones and also the Templar treasure itself the spear of destiny or the spear of Longinus I mean that that artifact up pops up now and again throughout history it has it has been possessed by emperors one of the legends is that whoever wrote into battle caring this spear of launching these could not be defeated correct exactly and that's one of the reasons why he wanted to recover it and in this go back even before the war started he sent out expeditions it into the Himalayan is up to the Arctic Circle down to Africa looking for looking for all these artifacts and again as you said he was in a call to so he was obsessed with this as you also said he did not like Christianity he believe that Christianity was too weak to religion for for the right then this this turn the other cheek this is Nicole Harris the earth even believe any of that stuff but he did recognize the possible power of these artifacts and Himmler also wanted to get his hands on the just judges panel but he thought that the the the map that was sort of the encrypted encoded into this panel led to something else right he also won the cultists he was obsessed with the ancient civilization of Atlantis and their technology so like Hitler he wanted to weaponize as he sought them the judge judges panel was a secret map leading to some kind of portal that would lead to the underground Atlantis technology that was buried someplace and again he wanted to use this technology to win the war so both of them were sort of doing a tug of war over this all with this potential map for different reasons but the same goal the goal again world dominance why would they come to such complete Lee are polar opposites conclusions about what this this panel of the get older piece was leading to wipe on the one hand we have the holy grail and on the other hand the treasures of Atlantis I mean what was it about the just judges panel that that could lead to such opposite conclusions right that's one of the mysteries of the image it is hard to get inside the head of of these these not to leave it there a little bit off the wall obviously so it's hard to find to be rational I think it rational answers to what they believe this is the short answer is that this whole nights temple are the mystery of the temple ours and the possibility that the Templars had the holy grail I mean that was something that had been carried forward ever since they were they were outlawed in in thirteen oh seven and that's you know we still see that today but this idea that there's this this this treasure out there this unknown treasure this magical cachet of religious artifacts of some kind and it's very seductive and when you when you get when you couple that with the power that the **** had in the power they're trying to acquire you just end up with these crazy ideas that also you only get that we can win the war we would have the world dominance that that should be our and the you allude to in the book and I don't know if this is a piece of fiction or whether this also is rooted in history but Hitler got wind that the just judges panel might still be in Belgium and he dispatched one of his evil minions there to recover it and what happened to him right the filter cover it he knew that Hitler was was was was not gonna be sympathetic to his failure and so we committed suicide that actually happened only that that was a lot of a better fate than it would give him but that was that that just shows how incessantly was with finding these items fighting this this man that he believed it was the just just as a panel that actually did happen let it happen yeah in your book in this piece of the section the the just judges panel is actually recovered and so the the main protagonists in the story Cameron in Amanda there was sort of hired I guess to try and decipher the code in this panel that that leads to the Templar treasure and that leads them you know hither and yon all over the world and finally North America right right so what I try to do with the with these these novels is take actual site of actual artifacts in and weave them into a story one of the things I use one of the ingredients I use in this story is a journal from the state eleven seventy nine it was found in in war torn Italy after World War two and we call this document the Cremona document as journalists from all the documents we're not quite sure if it's authentic or not many people believe many researchers believe it is what it is is it it's a it's a journal written by temple our soldier from the the year eleven seventy nine eleven eighty talking about a journey across the north Atlantic and ending up in what we now know was the Catskill Mountains of New York and what that journey and filled with bringing treasures of the town plaza recovered in Jerusalem over to New York over to the New World to this to hide them to keep them away from the church and other enemies and then bringing some things back to Europe that had been said that has been brought over earlier so in my story one of the places that the protagonist go looking for this Templar treasure is the capital region region of New York tell me just circle back to the van Eyck brothers who painted the altarpiece and this was in the fourteen twenty so this is over a hundred years after the knights Templar organization had been abandoned hunted down and and perhaps expelled from Europe so with the van Eyck secretly harboring a knights Templar with what was their connection right so so just as you know when when when the U. S. government passed anti racketeering laws in the nineteen sixties which effectively outlawed the mafia Marty didn't go away they went underground so similarly when the church and the kings of the monarchies of Europe outlawed the knights Templar in thirteen oh seven going forward the Templars didn't disappear they just went underground they reconstituted themselves many of them ended up going to Stalin which is one of the few countries at the time which did not outlaw them and so yeah we have to think of it in in in in that context of the Templars didn't disappear they went underground and as I said reconstitute themselves flash forward to the early fourteen hundred a hundred years later and they're still many groups that were doing the same things have lots to do and when I say doing them a pilot studying the old mystery schools mysticism and and the things that that that that that thanks Templars passed on to freemasonry today one of the leading members of that circle was a gentleman by the name of it the Duke of Burgundy Philip the good he was called to do but actually he was the king of the land we now know was Belgium the Netherlands in northern France he was an incredibly powerful monarch during that time period but he was obsessed himself with the holy grail legend with the stories of the temple ares with mysticism with out to me and it turns out he was the patron of yon van Eyck and with the the commission this painting in Belgium and we take I think he's sort of the Lynch pin he is the tie in back to the temple our tradition add going backwards to before they're outlawed and then going forward into the into the through the fifteenth century and even going for beyond that but it's people like him he created his own is all or call the order of the Golden Fleece which again another secret or that studied the holy grail in alchemy and all the fees these mystery schools we see them we see them recurring legally throughout history but it's it's in these kinds of groups that were obsessed with the holy grail is there any evidence that Hitler Himmler the **** the suspected that the Templar treasure including the arma Christi these artifacts associated with Christ's crucifixion they wound up in North America there's no evidence that Hitler Himmler believes that they looked all around from one of the places they did not look was North America now having said that you know it's not like it's not like they had access to North America at that time so we don't really know you know what they knew what they suspected one of the fascinating things I learned even after writing.

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06:10 min | 1 year ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA

"Take actual site an actual artifacts and then weave them into a story one of the the things I use one of the ingredients I use in this story is a journal from the state eleven seventy nine it was found in in war torn Italy after World War two and we call this document the Cremona document this journal of Cremona document we're not quite sure if it's authentic or not many people believe many researchers believe it is what it is is it's it's a it's a journal written by temple our soldier from the loo the eleven seventy nine eleven eighty talking about a journey across the north Atlantic and ending up in what we now know was the Catskill Mountains of New York and what that journey and filled was bringing treasures of the town possibly covered in Jerusalem over to New York over to the New World to this to hide them to keep them away from the church and other enemies and then bringing some things back to Europe that has been said that had been brought over earlier so in my story one of the places that the protagonist go looking for this temple I treasure is the capital region region of New York no need to circle back to the van Eyck brothers who painted the ranch altar piece and this was in the fourteen twenty so this is over a hundred years after the knights Templar organization had been abandoned hunted down and and perhaps expelled from Europe so where the van Eyck secretly harboring a knights Templar what what was their connection right so so just as you know when when when the US government passed anti racketeering laws in the nineteen sixties which effectively outlawed the mafia Marty didn't go away they went underground so similarly when the church and the kings of the monarchies of Europe outlawed the knights Templar in thirteen oh seven going forward the Templars didn't disappear they just went underground they reconstituted themselves many of them ended up going to Stalin which is one of the few countries at the time which did not outlaw them and so yeah we have to think of it in in in in that context of the Templars didn't disappear they went underground and as I said reconstitute themselves flash forward to the early fourteen hundred a hundred years later and they're still many groups that were doing the same things have lots to do and when I say doing them a pilot studying the old three schools mysticism and and the things that that that that that thanks Templars passed on to freemasonry today one of the leading members of that circle was a gentleman by the name of that the Duke of Burgundy Philip the good he was called to do but actually he was the king of the lands we now know was Belgium the Netherlands in northern France he was an incredibly powerful monarch during that time period but he was obsessed himself with the holy grail legend with the stories of the temple ares with mysticism with alchemy and it turns out he was the patron of yon van Eyck and it was he the commission this painting in Belgium and we think I think he's sort of the Lynch pin he is the tie in back to the temple our tradition add going backwards the before they're outlawed and then going forward into the into it through the fifteenth century anything going for beyond that but it's people like him he created his own is old order call the order of the Golden Fleece which again another secret or that studied the holy grail in alchemy and all the fees these mystery schools we see them we see them recurring frequently throughout history but it's it's in these kinds of groups that were obsessed with the holy grail and is there any evidence that Hitler Himmler the **** suspected that the Templar treasure including the arma Christi these artifacts associated with Christ's crucifixion that they wound up in North America there's no evidence that Hitler Himmler believe that they looked all around from one of the places they did not look with North America now having said that you know it's not like it's not like they had access to North America at that time so we don't really know you know what they do or what they suspected one of the fascinating things I learned even after writing the book with that Himmler had these crystal skulls of a White Christmas gonna black crystal skull that he also believe were had magical powers and and might lead into the holy grail and are similar kinds of skills that are part of the native American legend so although Hitler we don't have evidence was looking towards North America and may have been that Himmler was the salary evidence he was doing some work in in in central and South America also so again it is we we we have we have tips of these things but not hard evidence and in the book in the the fictionalized version of this remarkable story we have another group that is in modern times that is also hunting for this treasure and and these are the neo **** that exist in small numbers but they're out there in in America they're also looking to get their hands on on the the arma Christi right right so yeah this is a fictional thing but as you said there are not seeing the **** groups out there still today this particular group one of the interesting little little twist is they pick up where Himmler last thought it was really Himmler who as much as Hitler didn't have any use for Christianity it was Himmler who really look at the next the next step and really wanted to reintroduce the old gods the old guard the Old Norse gods for for example the old pagan gods and and he is the S. S. he would encourage his soldiers to celebrate the old pagan celebrations.

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04:29 min | 1 year ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Throughline

"Comes from Newman's own foundation working to nourish the common good by donating all profits from Newman's own food products to charitable organizations that seek to make the world the better place more information is available at Newman's own foundation dot org believe it or not the twenty tens are almost behind us so before the decade peers NPR music is hitting the pause button to look back at its defining trends themes and moments from John say to ban camp. I'm Robyn Hilton join us as we look back at a decade in music with new episodes twice a week listen on all songs considered from NPR after fighting a war with Germany and knowing about the atrocities committed by the Nazis how do you sell this idea to the public that we're GONNA import basically German personnel who are going to help us with our own programs well it wasn't sold to the public at all at first because it was secret the Germans are bought the United States in secret by around the immigration system they were essentially prisoners of the armed forces and this was the subject of a few rumors in the United States in the media and a fourth but fundamentally there was no public knowledge in there was no rationalization offered until December nineteen forty six more than a year and a half after the end of the war when this program was finally declassified here's how the army explained Operation Paper Clip to the public America got the good German scientists these individuals knew nothing of the horrors of Nazi Germany of crimes being perpetrated by the Reich of genocide mass murder of slavery I mean certainly the Defense Department was presenting the story that these were not Nazi war criminals that they were Germans who had just been Nazi thirty members out of opportunism or because they had to be basically they left out all the messy more damning details several of them had favor with the her meaning they wore what was called the Golden Party Badge and some even worked side by side at some point in their career with Hitler Himmler or gory would suggest that many of them not only knew about the atrocities and possibly participated in them they had received special shoot treatment it was a carefully devised PR campaign to make these former Nazi scientists seem less threatening less guilty still when the American public found out about the operation many people were uncomfortable with it and made their frustration known the end of forty six in the early part of nineteen forty seven there were protests some people wrote letters to Congress and a few prominent public figures spoke out against it one of the first detractors of this myth aw Collagen was actually Albert Einstein together with Eleanor Roosevelt. They kind of rallied public opinion about the idea era that these Germans were not so beneficent and if they were they would have laughed Nazi Germany when they could but then world events shifted to such a degree that the idea of operation paper clip became about the lesser of two evils of course as you go from nine hundred forty seven into the early nineteen fifties you get this in growing anticommunist hysteria and fear the American military establishment began preparing for what was known as total war with the Soviet Union and it was absolutely imperative that we grab as many of these expert former or Nazi scientists weapons makers that we could because if we didn't get them surely the Soviets would and that pretty much killed the discussion the former Nazi scientists were here to stay.

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04:09 min | 2 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on WIBC 93.1FM

"All over the world what you find twenty years later is the rise of the victims of satanic ritual abuse here's why and here's why I think we should change the terminology see Celtic ritual abuse is the tools to Ford for them to make them modern day satanic ritual abuse in the millions globally is nothing less than the extension of the Hitler Himmler master race concept this they are the same thing it all begins and leave the sport all begins with spiritual inception the whole the whole the whole the dead in people's for castle him more was a breeder and he declared publicly declared strongly that if we could create but two hundred million of these documents we can only conquer the earth we can rule for a thousand years that's him more back men in in either route you realize him was in battle for castle I've been there I've been to the hall of the dead the rituals being done in that chamber that's where Hitler students were illegal the sorceress good where Michael Aquino once director of the United States hello the intelligence stood there doing the Beatles were working so that side George is part of its powers that secrecy is the supernatural secret in works it works that way it does it will work that way until they've built multi continental they built the regime now here's my belief I believe they're already you know intact there are you there I think you had Paul Begley on last night I heard about the present with him he's cool is absolutely correct he's a he's a good man a good good person I know me as a friend but he is absolutely correct in in it concerning the reality of that system out there there is a system there's going to cry so the system and there's no system without the troops that will help bring the chaos and help bring a new order into into being you have talked a little bit about sleep paralysis we've got a couple minutes before the top of the hour rush what's happening with that is that tied in the some of this yeah I believe it is here's why again biblical prophecy teaches this principle towards the end of day there's no end of days about the broadest manifestation activity of demons than ever in collective history George ever in collective history this is the point there is going to days there's no and a crisis norm again without this so I could also say forty years boots on the ground dealing with people that the rise of possessed people the rise of people press the rise of people demonized is is is grown exponentially and so we see where they're coming from well then we deal with sleep paralysis now we councils like us and and people to build deliverance we go back to the late seventies and say what we dealt with people that had the old terms were incubus and succubus and spirits coming to engage in well sleep paralysis does become so big that course no second Sykes of written about and others there's a book out there called dark intrusion I think it's the the best title I do not believe that it's chemicals in your body intelligently getting together to play games on you I do believe it's entities come into the room seven your you know you help them people feel this and we've dealt with I I I I don't know how many people on the subject we've been the houses with people and young people in in but all the other side of the fence is every F. R. A. has the power to project out to astral out by a demonic empowerment every one of them can go out to engage other people and here's when it comes to sleep paralysis here's the key sequence nobody wants to tell you the two primary reasons to financially that's why they do it to prep paralyze you said you get a person to get in engage you in a sexual way if they cancel they can begin the process to get a deeper hole or to pull you out of body into their round ended in a draw you into their experiences because they want deeper.

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10:51 min | 2 years ago

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"I'm John Batchelor. This is John Batchelor. The story of is the story of deception. How is it that the ala deceived? Hitler Himmler Gehring the whole Nazi apparatus and the Vermont and all of the ways to discern where the cross channel invasion was going to strike. How do they do that? How did they keep it going not only till June six than the landing itself but weeks afterwards to tie down very good German armor units at places where the Germans believed the allies were really going to invade. They thought Normandy was a faint a new book. Double cross the true story of the day spies. Ben MacIntyre, the author, Ben, congratulations and good evening. I take you to a chilling moment. It is may nineteen forty four. We know now that the the balloon. Will go up and the invasion will go out June sixth at this point. There was reason to believe that if the tides and the weather worked they could've gone as early as may. So what they know back in London at Shaef what they know in in Berlin, what they know along the French coast is that the could come at any moment where they want to know where is it? Norway is at the bay of Biscay is at Pas-de-Calais across across from the channel coast, or is it Normandy a much more difficult, but very commodious beaches at the Custodio prison oct- prince Albrecht Strada neoclassical former museum of decorative arts. I learned from you, Ben there's a man being tortured. His name is Jacobson. Who is he? And what does he know? Good evening to you. Good evening, John. Well, this is a story of a man called Johnny Jetson, and he Jetson walls an extraordinarily figure. Really? He he was a Robert Dole g German businessman who has been a office during the war at the beginning of pop. Germany. Organization. Strange rolling within it kind of freelance recruiter. But the moment you take us to. Before d day Jetson is the only person within the German high command who knows the story of Dida who knows the secret. He's the only one who knows that the landings are really going to take pacing Normandy under the fake threat that had been a months and months and months to the Pas-de-Calais in the north food. Now, the reason he's the only person that node Jetson double agent. In the middle of the wool while continuing to work for German intelligence. He had secretly been working allied intelligence under the codename operation. Onto the codename autism. That was that was he's running codename. And he was an extraordinary source for the British intelligence for five because he was the only one who was plunged deeply into the intelligence system of the German high command. And at the moment that we catch him being tortured. He has been picked up by German intelligence. He's been handed Gestapo, and they are trying to extract from him what he knows now back in London. He the rest is kidnapping has sent a chill of horror through the British establishment because the secret operations that no. The jets knows the secrets, and they also know that if these one Jomon spied break before d day, he will reveal the secret. And if that happened the invasion of Normandy with Tun into a blood ball because instead of reinforcing the paddock expecting the time to come there. They would send all that troops to nominee. The stakes in. In a way in that moment in prince albatross could not conceivably have been higher. I'm speaking of Ben MacIntyre, and I just learned a lesson from bed. I just made the mistake of saying his name was Jacobson not Johnny Jebsen. But you know, what I've learned from you, Ben is that the way when you're running double agents the way you call yourself, your codename should be very close to your own name. So that if anyone uses it accidentally, they will not recall that it's different from your code name his name, Johnny Jebsen. I call them Jacobson. So if anyone had overheard. Great cover. Right. If anyone had overheard us, and they are hearing right now, they wouldn't be sure whether it's Johnny Jebsen and Jacobson, and I make this point also because when you read Ben's book, you'll understand everything we're telling you is as close as you can get to the facts, Ben is dealt with the files themselves from five mix, and what we have left of their and the Nazis, the SS, but inside this is fiction within fiction within fiction. I often read this thinking, I wonder if that's true. I wonder who that really is. I wonder whether it ever really happened. We have plundering of funds. Always people skimming we have people lying to themselves often. They're they're ready to be double agents. But at any moment, the ready to betray you. And that's the way they get through their crises. So let's begin with what I've learned of these agents because it's not just Johnny Jebsen. Although that is the most chilling. Of all, and we'll come back to Johnny Jebsen and his fate and nine hundred forty four nine hundred forty five we begin with the friendship of Johnny Jebsen and man named Dusan. Dusko Papa they are friends from the nineteen thirties. They go to university together one's younger. I believe Jebsen is younger than pop off. So let's introduce Popoff who eventually becomes a double agent. Where does he come from? What is this family? Ben. Really, the cool of the double agent authorisation run by the British students and world while off walls a Serbian playboy. He was very wealthy, man. He came from the rich family, and he second cells up as a kind of independent lawyer and businessman in Belgrade in just before the war. But he was himself a vigorous anti-nazi and the beginning of the war. He was recruited into German intelligence by his best friend, Johnny Jetson. They've been university together. Very similar kind of today. What might cool them sort of you? Right. Trash ready. They would knocking around. You're having a fantastic time living, very least kind of lifestyle Jebsen recruited poeple because he knew the poeple traveled internationally a great deal, but he would be able to go to London from London. He would be able to send back. Interesting reports for German intelligence now right at the beginning of this relationship, you have to bear in mind that both sides was sort of lying to each other. And it was quite the beginning of the Jetsons. Self was quite vigorously anti nuts. He was not the classic kind of Nazi figure. He he he was actually very pro British Popoff new this. Now, the Paul was then sent to by the German intelligence once he derived, a he. Immediately defected to British intelligence and was recruited into a growing group within British intelligence called the double cross emits another double cross committee was a group that was responsible for inculcating, enemy spies turning them. In the in the pollen to the time on using them against the enemy. In other words. The Germans continued to believe these spies were working for them and it began under the auspices of five the security system in Britain. He began to feedback systematic this information to his German Honda's, we go to the five part, this is the Savoy hotel. And I promise you one of the pleasures of this book is that these double and triple agents spend a great deal of money at the best hotels, despite the fact that Europe is burning they're enjoying themselves. Johnny Jebsen and Popoff drink champagne and smoke cigarettes all night and dense around with whatever woman is passing their. Fancy live at the best hotels spent run up enormous bills that they let either five mix or the Ave our or the FBI pay off. So let's go to the savvy hotel. It's Christmas time nineteen forty and in strolls tar Robertson, you describe him as an officer in the C fourth highlanders. But he looks despite the fact that he's very attractive. He looks to be the English equivalent of Johnny Jebsen and Popoff. He's a playboy. He's he's very loose with his his skills. And he's looking for something to do tar Robertson. However has the genius of double cross. What does he say to pop up? What does pop off say to him that tells tar that he can turn them. Well, it's pretty clear to tall, right? From the beginning that Paul is potentially incredibly powerful weapon to be used against the German tall say was himself a sort of playboy. And I think that is why they go on and say, well, they realized that in this war that we often think of in in black and white, but really full the spies. It was fourteen shades of moral gravies or not straightforward people north a story about straightforward men of wall who fight with guns and bombs and bullets. It's really a story about subterfuge and stealth under an incredible network of deception. Build out of a thousand lies really and unpopular was absolutely key to that. And the two of them spending evening drinking in the Savoy, Adele at the end of it. They had agreed pulse would operate under the codename tricycle as a double. Agent that he would begin to really convince the Germans that. He was the best spy in Britain. Now, one of tricky ways of doing this is if you're running a double agent, you have to send back information that he's not any believable back to the enemy, but he has to be true. Because if the enemy can check it and discovers that you'll sending obviously full information. Now, we alive that you've been done. So today saying they set up a special committee in London called the twenty committee. Another twenty committee was so cool because a twenty in Roman numerals is of course, to X's a double cross stop right there that Ben stop right there. We'll we'll come back to the world of fiction of the double cross the twenty committee. Ben MacIntyre the book is double cross it's the story of the day agents. But the setting up of the double and triple agency take several years before.

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

MonsterTalk

05:00 min | 2 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

"The reputation of rescue was sort of crafted posthumously or at least during his life. I mean, he was vilified in ways. Yeah. So yeah. Definitely. I mean, I think calling refuting a monsters going too far. Yeah. Yeah. But, but if you only took the legendary view of him like if you just if you didn't actually dig in and find out what the facts were what about then? What do you still think he's not a monster at that point? Well, if you wanna go with the mid he's a monster. In fact, I found I found a specific char black and white photographs that was for sale on EBay when I was doing my research, I'd get bored. And I'd look for respecting memorabilia on EBay, and there was some museum in Germany, and I think it might have been east Germany. It was a wax figure museum. It had one room that was you know, history's most evil characters. Yeah. And there they had you know, like several Nazis and then the head refuting. The they could come on guys. Not. Yeah. That's the same kind of class of evil is. No, no. Yeah. But yeah, some people want equate respondent with Hitler Himmler or something. And obviously, that's that's where you lose me. No, actually, the BBC did a series on like, the weakest people, and they did Alisher Croly John D in rescuing. And I can't remember who the fourth one was. But yeah, it was along those lines. But yeah, it was all it was sort of mystical people not necessarily serial kill it was you know, it wasn't Stalin or Hitler. It was just like people who were considered sort of dark at this sort of meta level. Right. You know, this is sort of this serve folklore level or ledge Yary type thing, and and those are the more interesting from a creepy at night kind of thing. But they're not the ones you're gonna put you in a grave, right? Yeah. As you say, it's the the real human monsters who really should be wary of not the ones who are, you know, have dark stories about them. But little toback it up. So yeah, definitely definitely Douglas, by the way, I should Vincent as far as no we're not related. Yeah. There's a lot of us out there. There are. Yes. My grandfather. But no. Thank you so much for a for digging into this try to get to the root of it and be for taking the time to talk to our listeners, and we. Yeah. Very much. So yeah. My pleasure -joyed it so middle back on about something else. You've got an eight books would not aid. No six I've got an coming out in the fall. That actually is. It's I wanna I don't wanna call the monsters. These people. Push to the extremes. That led them to do what we would consider monstrous acts and crimes I'm writing. I've just finished this book it's called the Russian job. It'll be out as I said in the fall into tells the story of this horrible famine famine that hit Russia in the early nineteen twenties. One of the worst famines in world history. Millions of people died people will reduce cannibalism in various places and Russia was saved by the generosity of the United States. Herbert Hoover who was then secretary of commerce put together giant relief effort that went over to Russia and for two years from nineteen twenty one to nineteen Twenty-three fed as many as eleven million people day, and basically basically save the country from utter ruin and then went home and the Russians were so grateful. They said they would never forget this act of humanitarianism in generosity. Jerry. But of course, as soon as we left, they did everything they could to erase any trace that we had ever been there. So I'm trying to to bring back this loss story of of a moment when when the United States did something, right? That's cool. I suppose really interesting thing yet to great story. Why can't we all just get along? Let's. There's the question. All right. We'll have a good night. Douglas. We really appreciate much Douglas. We'll keep in touch. My pleasure. Tuck you later. Bye doll. You've been listening to monster talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith and I'm Karen stole. Are you deserve an interview with author Douglas Smith about the Russian monk, Chris Butin linked to Douglas's book at additional details will be in the show notes must truck that

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

MonsterTalk

04:47 min | 2 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

"Practicing cultism without approval by the regime, and these debunk IRS who were being hired to enlighten people started to get the stop on their tail. So you know, what we don't really like what you're doing. Because you're undermining the, you know, magicians, circle, the magic circle, and they're magicians you're giving the tricks of the trade away, you're undermining their act like will yet because they're they're doing cultism, and they're making people believe they can transport themselves in talk to dead people and know in clairvoyance in and Hitler in the shop, intervene and say, yeah, we'd prefer you to do that. After all of his supposedly Cultus stuff about how Germans need to be scarred educated. The few bunkers they have are told the can't do the performances anymore because undermining belief in magic or faith in magic. So it's really contradictory embitterment and Hitler's actually friends with the head of the Hitler of the magician circle is guide named helmet Schreiber. I have a picture of them together in my book. So there you go like there's not a consistent policy against a cultism or border science or paganism. They they rehabilitate bunch of freemasons as they joined the party and don't beat sectarian groups anymore. Mum biodynamic agriculture. What are the main pillars of anthroposophy one of the most popular cult doctrines the last hundred years you've probably heard a Steiner, I'm assuming that's he comes up because of Waldorf schools stuff. Find a gun culture says you've got a planet. Certain. Times when the moon and stars there's cert alignments. There's absolutely no proof. It works. It's based on Cosmo biology astrology, you've got almost every leading Nazi promoting it. To the point where even Heidrick who's arresting everybody. Right. Like, you know, what he writes, Dr a and later Himmler, you wanna have biodynamic agriculture farmers. That's fine. Just make sure they're not doing the other anthroposophy stuff that they're not going to Dr schools and say Rudolf, Steiner's personal savior, if they're not doing that. I want arrest them. But it get it shows the ability. It's that the the supernatural thinking that the bothers them it's the potential rivalry with their own politics. Their own ideas around organizations or the St.. At the end of the book, you were talking about Nazi wonder weapons, and I. I've been watching with this Dane, the amount of modern takes on history. Archaeology the paranormal that seemed to celebrate the Nordic celebrate the idea that the Nazis had magic weapons that Hitler still survived. These ideas to me at first they seem like harmless, you know, fantasy, but the more I look into the warm concern that these were actually ideas of of Nazis didn't win the war but wanted to keep the ideas alive. Have you looked at any of that is are these ideas themselves sourced from Nazi ideas? Also, you there's a few different things in the cluster of of questions just raise which are really good one. What I'm trying to show is the banality supernatural thanking not glorify it not talk about torchlight processions at the veils Berg, and yeah, they're evil. But isn't it kind of cool that they resuscitate? Arthur I'm trying to show without being disdained full of people who believe in the culture new age because many Americans do I don't think every which is a potential Nazi how the the absurdity of a lot of this. And how it was usually unproductive. Right. It may have helped them get power among small group of of Germans and get away with certain things. But ultimately undermined a lot of what they did. And the miracle weapons is just a case study of that they had all this great technology, but they often made decisions about whether pursue nuclear power not based on series of Irian physics or World Series versus Jewish physics. They put way too much money into weird projects because Hitler Himmler loved rocket ships in science fiction that they'd been reading in the twenties and thirties and didn't understand hidden forces that were actually real like, atomic physics terribly. Well, because it was Jewish. So they didn't invest a lot in right beer. I use fear is it's wonderful. He's the most important minister when it comes to World War to he's the one in charge of the entire armaments industry..

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

MonsterTalk

04:44 min | 2 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on MonsterTalk

"It's just Steiner is a kind of charismatic grew even though he's dead who had the answered everything agriculture education Waldorf schools, like just row Reed Steiner like it's the bible. So if you're Hitler Himmler, you're saying, and these people are like, well, you know, we don't mind biodynamic agriculture will work with you on that. But you'd be better off if you really embrace Steiner completely which of these leaders telling Hitler at Himmler, southern Nazis same way, we have our own bible. It's fine. Con we have our own ideology. So when they start arresting some these anther process, it's not because they think they're nuts or they're not scientific enough. A lot of it. Is there a rival group? That's both faith based in scientific, and that's kind of what the Nazis are. So it's not that they reject a cultism Moore border science completely or a pistol logic. Really, they make often arbitrary or selective decisions which seemed to be pattern on whether those groups are members of Nazi party or or super racist pro Arian and how useful or scientific they make themselves appear which lends them legitimacy that the less scientific groups don't have. But even there, I don't see consistency. Because sometimes they let out of jail people who've never been scientific astrologers. Right. So while Karl crop to was a scientific astrologer, whatever that means does work for the regime ends up getting kicked out by gurgles because he refuses to betray his science in read, no stir Donald against the grain and just frustrated with them. And then he starts publish it. All these books making his own predictions, eventually gets arrested in forty-one Ville, volt also gets arrested in it's like a failed artists with no formal. Training in scientific astrology Himmler has no problem putting him in charge of everything. So even that kind of arbitrary distinction between scientific and popular cultism, which the Nazis in a lot of scientific cultures before them try to draw like we scientic methods like real scientists. You don't they then when it's in their own interest or because it's all really fade base to the Ed. They don't follow through on it. So it does help to be scientific astrologer pendulum. Dow sir in published books articles in have a PHD or a master's, so yes, the Nazis, try to favor those groups when they conduct research, but they end up sometimes taking the failed artists or photographers who had thirty two decided they're going to be an astrologer and some of them have the most powered influence, so it's not consistent in how they make. But yeah, any groups do get persecuted. We could talk about why in win what I would say that it really surprise me that anybody where he. For the Nazis would do one of those rage quits is this is outrageous. Like after so, many people already been disappeared from public life in that had to become a knowledge that they would feel like, oh, well, they're not doing my astrology the right way. I'm going just resign. I just that. I find that shocking. Well, it's not. So I said it's a fascist regime, but it's also not Stalinist Russia, if you're an area in German in you're not a leading communists. You didn't try to kill Hitler plot to kill him. Right. You're not Jewish. You're not a Romer Sinti. You're not disabled. They do when fewer people in prison per capita than the United States does while home. So it's not a police state in the sense that Stalinism police at least not until the war. So there were a lot of people who made fun of the Nazis argued against certain doctrines like with this world ice theory. I show in my chapter that all these scientists are right in basically to Himmler, but to his scientists why you publishing this crap we have people who can't do algebra. We're supposedly rearming trying to train top engineers and military men and you're saying world ice theory explains geography geology. Evolution this is embarrassing site German signs, a great reputat. In the world, destroying it almost. None of these people get any retribution. Imler get frustrated. He tells us is, you know, world saw ICS what are you gonna do about this right account article? You know, don't give those people any funding go to conferences where they are. But he doesn't just say let's throw them in concentration camps is he's a rapid -able Irian scientists who are well-known needed..

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM

Progressive Talk 1350 AM

01:46 min | 4 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on Progressive Talk 1350 AM

"Culture and you can teach off it fantastic put a big statue generals german and teach all about general shermans march to the sea beth now michael jannati and along those lines and this one i've i've seen from a lot of people i didn't make it up but there's so many people who talking about it i don't think anybody can claim credit germany let's talk about germany why aren't there statues all over germany and monuments all over germany of hitler and hitler on down him more all right there was a separate guy with two m's in the middle himmler he was no good either hitler himmler they had gearing and gurboz i'll budget that the mango albaath optum angle was all his horrible experiments why are at their statues a monuments all over germany saying well look this is part of our culture and heritage chad's knob my toljin anti and that look we can teach off of this we could say look nazis bad don't be nazis ride that's why we have statues so questions to donald trump and his nazi and kkk followers are you willing to put statues and monuments of general george to come sherman all over georgia and what do you think should we go to germany and give them the pitch about hitler and himmler and all the boys and so that they can teach off of that how do you think they're going to react die all right now get us gone we got a lot going on today but symbols these statues they are symbols and they're very powerful with justice is served the norman goldman issue fxi stupid politically hulard man leafy believe me believe me believe me believe me believe me believe me believe me okay believe me believe me believe me folks poly believe me okay that doorman gold batch sao beth nod michael anti.

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"hitler himmler" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

77WABC Radio

02:45 min | 4 years ago

"hitler himmler" Discussed on 77WABC Radio

"W we see what comes of the home of nba star lebron james has been vandalized with a racial slur correspondent john stolnis has more police in brentwood are investigating an incident in which someone spray painted a racial slur on the front gate of james is home just one day before lebrun and the cleveland cavaliers were scheduled to play the golden state warriors in the nba finals officials say james wasn't at home at the time and that they believed the perpetrator was captured on surveillance the n word was spray painted on the front gate and police are investigating it as an act of vandalism and a possible hate crime police also said someone painted over the slur before officers arrived james agent rich paul declined to comment i'm john stolnis end i'm lisa richie on seventy seven w abc where new york comes to talk your favorite weekday shows in hd splendor shelf juice fired the market now said abc seven abc john john the story of data is the story of deception how is it that the allies to see hitler himmler gary the whole nazi apparatus and the bear mocked and all of the ways to discern where the crosschannel invasion was going to strike how do they do that how did they keep it going not only till june six new landing itself but weeks afterwards to tie down very good german armor units at places where the germans believe the allies were really going to invade they thought normandy was a faint a new book doublecross the true oh story of the day spies ben mcintyre's the author ben congratulations and good evening i take you to a chilling moment it is may nineteen forty four we know now that the invest the balloon will go up and the invasion will go out june six at this point there was reason to believe that if the tides and the weather worked they could have gone as early as may so what they know bakken london at shave what they know in in berlin what they know e along the french coast is that the allies could come at any moment where they wanna know where is that norway is that the bay of biscay is pasdecalais across across from the sea of the channel coast.

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