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"hiram smith" Discussed on This Day In Esoteric Political History
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Go to feels dot com that's f. e. a. l. s. dot com slash. This day. get fifty percent off your first order once again feels dot com slash this day blow and walk into the state in esoteric little history from radio topa. My name is jody aggregate this day. June twenty-seventh eighteen forty four. Joseph smith the founder and leader of the church of jesus christ latter day saints for com warming. Church is murdered. Along with his brother hiram when a mob three into a jail that they are being held in carthage illinois. that is a notable event for sure. But what makes it especially notable for this podcast at least is that smith was a presidential candidate at the time earlier that spring heat announced that he was running as an independent his first foray into formal politics. One interesting distinction is that smith was the first presidential candidate to be killed in the united states so here to discuss the presidential candidacy and the death of just smith are as always nicole. Hammer of columbia and kelly carter jackson. Hello hello jody. Hey there and our special guests for this episode is spencer. Mcbride associate managing historian of the joseph smith papers project. He's written a number of books and articles about the intersection of mormonism and politics. And guess what he just published a book called. Joseph smith for president suspense a year guy. I'm confident to i hope. So guys so since we are hooking it and talking a little bit about the death of of smith. I wonder if we can start there and i will just start to sketch the picture and then you can actually painted but smith and his followers i had settled in the town of novel illinois which is not too far from carthage. There is a dispute among the community. There smith is taken to jail. A mob comes after him again. That's very rough sketch. Take us to that moment. Yeah so when the mormons came to illinois. They came as religious refugees. It actually been expelled from the state of missouri and this is hard for us to hear even today but a governor of a state ordered that the mormons must be driven from the state or exterminated. And so there's this expulsion of the threat of state sanctioned extermination. The mormons are starting over as refugees on the banks of the mississippi river and they begin building. A new city and the goal is to protect themselves in the city. The habit a local militia grew to have laws would prevent further mob violence and the state of illinois first welcomes them in and this is a very political story in a sense because the two dominant parties of the day the whigs the democrats were very evenly divided in illinois and the thought of both including abraham lincoln and stephen. A douglas was if we win the mormons to our side. They're going to tip the scale one way or the other and so. This is the very hospitable way. The mormons come into illinois but they continue to vote as a bloc so the mormons would vote together and they weren't aligned with one party or the other. They were going to vote for the party. The candidates who would protect their rights and this is how they wielded power as a political minority and it was going okay until they became unpredictable and unreliable net block. Vote if you're going to vote as a bloc you need to vote consistently and predictably as a block and when you can't be relied on in that way it creates problems until the it's after a congressional election in eighteen forty three that a large segment of the illinois populations just they're done and they are from that point on looking for any chance they can have to get rid of joseph smith and the mormons get them out the state and that moment comes in june eighteen forty four. So what is the dispute enough that leads to smith being arrested. Then who is the mob. That comes to assassinate him. And you do use that word. Assassination right yeah and we can alternately say say murder for practicing latter-day saints. They see it as a martyrdom but martyr martyr sas nation. There there used interchangeably so what happens in illinois in june is some descent who does this myth refers to as dissenters members of the church. Who break away from the church Their disenchanted with joseph smith and they start a newspaper because the novel exposure essentially. It's an anti mormon newspaper coming out of the center of them. And they print one. Issue and josie smith as mayor of nabu then goes to the city council and citing blackstone english common law deems the newspaper a public nuisance and then by order the city council be newspapers. Shut down the presses destroyed. The governor gets involved. Joseph smith declares martial law in the city of nabu ultimately joseph smith's amidst to arrest along with his brother hiram and several other individuals implicated in the destruction of the novel exposure but they are also charged with treason for declaring martial law. And this means they can't post bail. They cannot leave the prison and it becomes really clear for most people that that charge trees was meant to keep joseph and hiram smith in jail while everyone else could go because again long before the destruction of this press there were people in illinois that were just waiting for the opportunity to get joseph smith and this provided it for them. Let's us a rich and detailed story because it's in this very understandable. I think story of religious persecution. That's something that we understand from the that we talk about. Us history but then when you dig down into this kind of internet seen war that's breaking out among the mormons and the way the anti mormons able to leverage that tension in order to act out their anti mormon politics is just really fascinating yet. Critics of the mormon see right these actions as anti-democratic but the mormons as a minority. See at the only way we can survive in a democracy that refuses to protect us. And so there's this tension who's the anti-democratic crew is at the anti mormons in illinois or is the mormons and both see the perspective that they see themselves as protecting democracy. But really sometimes we're talking about protecting. Democracy is especially when one group has privilege and power. They're talking about protecting their authority in democracy. They're not really talking about protecting democracy as oh from the mormons respective as a minority group. They're saying it's not really democracy if the minority has no rights so much about this moment Just reminds me of the abolitionist. Because they were Had mob attacks and this is this is really the decade of like mob. The twenties thirties to hide it. The thirties also the forties as well and which fringe groups. Like the abolitionist. Like like mormons are constantly being attacked. Or they're printing presses are constantly being attacked and i wonder how much of this violence that's that's happening is. How much do mormons feel as though they can respond legitimately to to the violence. You know you had mentioned that. Developing like militia groups. But like. what do you do. you don't have any protecting forces. The police is not going to work for them. And that's actually why. Joseph smith enters this presidential campaign he sees as the fundamental problem. The states rights doctrines is when they are expelled from missouri. They go to the white house and meet with president. Martin van buren petition congress. The senate has sent judiciary committee has a hearing decides. The federal government can do nothing. And josie smith is saying there's something wrong with the constitution if one state can expel a minority group from its borders under threat extermination and the federal government says. Their hands are tied because of states' rights and enter joseph smith. That's his big argument. He declared the state's rights doctrines or what feed mops wrong and guard people calling for the bill of rights to apply to the individual states that joseph smith. He's not a great political thinker is not this great constitutional scholar. He his lived experience. Says there's something wrong when states rights allows this persecution. The small violence. The other thing that i found so interesting about smith in the context of this campaign is that he embraces policies that would have been considered radical at the time and i think would be considered quite progressive today The abolition of slavery being one of those Which flows into what kelly was saying. But also things like the closure of prisons. I realize we didn't have a prison industrial complex in the eighteen forties. But you know that is a very different way of thinking about crime and punishment in the eighteen forty s and not everything that he embraced was would be considered progressive today but Policy lines that. I don't think i would have necessarily expected. Yeah i think it surprises a lot of people. Especially you know. Twenty first century america on the latter day saints not all of course but a large majority tend to be very reliable conservative voters and here we have a very progressive in some ways radical reform campaign coming from churches founding prophet amis calling for the paid emancipation of slaves essentially that we will purchase the freedom of all enslaved men women and freedom from the proceeds of sales of western. So it's going to pay demands. A patient was at new but at the scale and with government sponsorship that joseph smith was calling for that was new that was radical closing the prisons penitentiaries were brand new and it was his idea that we can reform criminal convicted. Men women mostly men at this time. with solitary confinement and hard labor and joseph. Smith's not the only one but he's an early voice in. Hey where essentially creating a permanent criminal class were not reforming people. We're we're dooming them to a life of on the margins but kelly there's actually this You talked about abolitionists. And he's mobs in eighteen fifty four the way i closed the book is one of the missouri militiamen that expelled. The mormons in eighteen fifty four is a sitting. Us senator me right of war. Jefferson davis about what they're going to do about the abolitionists who are spilling into missouri. Has we intend to earn. Shoot and hang them. In short we plan to mormon is them and so all of a sudden mormon is becomes a verb for extralegal violence to expel unwanted groups. You know mean. I stand by this the idea that like the moment you take the side of the oppressed or or black people you you put yourself in a position to be harmed or killed like the strain of anti blackness i think is so strong that when people take up opposition to it. They almost always put themselves in harm's way and the the abolitionists were perfect example of how people risk their lives to push these ideals. I think we've painted a interesting picture of his motivations and a little bit of his platform so he's a presidential candidate. There was a candidate. But i don't know if that was really campaign doesn't seem like he's out. They are travelling around doing events. I think he even is quoted saying if it were up to me i would really just stay in illinois and sort of run by militia and protect my community. What is your sense of this as an actual campaign yet so this is at that kind of pivotal moment. Were presidential election. Eeriness changing still unacceptable for candidate to go out and make some speeches but they send their surrogates which they've always done but now candidates are taking a more hands on role with directing their circuits and josie smith has an advantage in eighteen. Forty four that most independent candidates don't have is. He has hundreds of experienced missionaries. Now they're used to going out and preaching religion but he actually sends over four hundred missionaries to go out and campaign. He has his political pamphlet lays out his platform and they carried almost as political track and they have nominating conventions in almost every state And these are kind of interesting stories for instance in boston. Brigham young who would be smith's successor. Leads this political meeting. And there's all these hecklers and the meeting can't go on because the hecklers the police are called and then the meeting breaks down the chaos. The hecklers don't fight with the mormons. The heckler start a brawl with the police. And it's almost quintessential nineteenth century boston. Seen about right maybe twentieth century to nineteenth. But then there's others that are taking this this pamphlet. The calls for the end of slavery to places like tennessee. And they're facing potential mobs. They're not because they're mormon. But because it's illegal to distribute anti-slavery slavery literature and i don't think they recognize that was going to be a problem. They go to new york city and they establish campaign newspaper. Right there on printers row in manhattan. Are you talk about really esoteric. Political sam ran and is have bieber he takes after all all the stuff happens he takes that printing press to california and that same press prince news of gold being discovered in california eighteen. Forty eight probably way. Even more esoteric gave everyone a book idea to follow one across the united states and we use narrowed. That's a great one. I'm just curious. How much of a direct line between smith's candidacy and his assassination. You can draw. I mean if or is it just that this was an incredibly fraught moment. And the assassinations. A symbol of that and the candidacy was also a product of that as well or are they are. They somehow connected. Yes so the asterix all of this. Joseph smith is the first assassinated presidential candidate. He was not killed. As far as i can tell to stop him from becoming president he was never a serious contender and the people who killed him. If the presidential campaign concern them it would be. They saw it. As a sign of unfettered political ambition which joseph smith side as an act of desperation but the causes of the mob storming carthage jail and killing joseph smith they were local in nature and so he is the first assassinated presidential candidate. But the the asterix's he was not assassinated because he was running for president. So let's talk about where we are today Especially as you described. Smith's motivations for getting into politics are those still motivating factors within within the church. Can you draw that threat The church since the turn of the twentieth century and even into the twenty-first maintains a position of neutrality. they are not going to endorse candidates The church is not going to to openly campaign in a partisan nature but reserves. Its right to speak out on what it deems moral issues for instance a more recent example is when President trump issued his travel ban against predominantly muslim countries and also took these really strong stances against immigration of all types of the church actually issued a statement arguing against this type of policy and remembering a time win. Mormons were expelled. And even time beyond joseph smith's leadership decades after his death. There was a mormon immigration man. So there are these moments where the church speaks out on political matters but usually they deem them as having a moral core to them and they tried to do so in his nonpartisan. Always as for members of the church. Bay are encouraged by the church to be politically active. But that's just kind of left to their own wills and whims and we've seen throughout the twentieth. Centuries especially since world war two latter day saints have been in the united states have been one of the most reliably conservative voting box And i think that's still stands. Today you can look at the polls and see yes. They still went for trump but they went for trump less enthusiastically than say white. Evangelical christians right. The numbers are way down trump. Never did he won utah but not impressively. But there's division within the american church membership on matters of politics. And i think it's probably hit a mayes by the two senators from utah Mike lee has gone all in in supporting donald trump. and he's even compared infamously as many. Cad compared donald trump to amending captain. Moroni whose heroic figure from the book of mormon whereas mitt romney has spoken out against donald trump in many instances and tried to be handed the voice of conscience in this whole fray n even passenger such as jeff flake who are themselves latter day saints have spoken out against this. Turn on in the political right. And so yeah. I think you still see latter-day saints definitely tend to be vote more conservatively in the united states. But it's maybe interesting crossroads right now because the way that the The trumpian moment has revealed fractures within the clinical right We're also seeing that within the mormon right if you want to call it that. Yeah i just wanna shout out. Mormon women who in in the nineteen seventies become major grassroots activists especially in western states Really become the the engine of the christian right in those states and become reliable activists reliable voters around. What would be called family. Values issues are social issues so they are consistent with that idea that there's a moral component to these political issues and in the seventies and eighties begin to build alliances with white evangelicals into a certain extent. Catholics as well. Yeah absolutely and you get asked a lot since. I've been working on this book. And since it's been now you know a lotta latter-day saints look to joseph smith's religious teachings almost kind of get a sense of how that should frame their religious beliefs today and people will ask me about that about his political. Thought it's tricky because his policies are very much a product of the eighteen forties. And you can't just say joe's talk this politically. Therefore that's going to cover my political ideology but i think there's an overarching compassion. Joseph smith's political framework in his political thought. Right let's look after marginalized groups. Let's look after groups that are being kind of left. Behind and democracy or disenfranchised or being abused and i think there's something to that they may find a level of compassion and looking out for those on the margins of society. Well that's a great place to end it we really appreciate you. Coming on a spencer. Mcbride the new book is joseph smith for president the prophet the assassins and the fight for american religious freedom Other than buying a book work and people find your work. I'm.
"hiram smith" Discussed on The How-To Heretic
"But there was substantial pressure Political pressure to deal with the mormon problem post-haste before the inevitable civil war broke out so they were. They were sent on this expedition. Far far too late because of political pressure and aside from starting late the expedition was poorly provisioned badly and undisciplined. their leader. Colonel edmund b alexander would prove to be a proved to be timid and indecisive somewhere along the way they contacted and hired bridgier to try and get them to salt lake before the winter set in so the slow pace of the expedition gave young plenty of time to prepare. He called up the novel. Legion which was his militia. Force made up of all able bodied men between fifteen and sixty that numbered. Some six thousand. Jesus yeah Although not a battle-hardened military force the legion knew the land. They were supported by the population and they were fighting for their homes. So young also declared martial law and shutdown all travel through the territory. The fancher bake the baker fancher party had just made it through already so they were before that ban happened and during that time brigham young proclaim the following quote twice in missouri and once illinois. They drove us from our homes. At the point of a bayonet and that to by eight of the state authority they murdered my dear friends. Joseph smith and hiram smith and many others mobs robbed and murdered us while the entire nation looked on without lifting one hand to help us and now the us army's coming to take our homes a body of troops well armed equipped. They weren't evidently ordered to utah by the president of the united states. They're coming without warning. Forgive me father. if i'm wrong but this time we will not turn the cheek. This is our home our zion. This time we fight back so go unless even totally wrong. No the the know that everything was under attack they were under attack. They had been driven out of the united states. They're their own culpability. In many of those events is certainly absent from that quote right but he's not wrong Lest anyone think that the mormons were not capable of violence. It was at that very moment early. September of eighteen fifty seven. The mormon militia in southern utah was busy carrying out the mountain meadows massacre. Killing some one hundred and twenty pioneers from arkansas. So you're more for more on that fun. Go back to episode fifty one not to mention all of the native americans that they had just slaughtered yup across across the entire inter mountain west tip in august the tip in august tribe. I think they killed minimum one hundred of them in one incident so all of the army expedition had no idea about the mountain meadows massacre. They were starting to fear conflict with the mormons as they approach the territory..
"hiram smith" Discussed on Core Confidence Life
"Of integrity. And these guys want me to lie on a deposition something. I wasn't even involved with my senior tournaments in new in new york so i quit and became an entrepreneur following the advice of a friend. Who said you know roy. The resigned entrepreneur. Is i like to make my own mystic. Liked his with about that. He didn't wanna be trapped in other people's mistakes and so i was working on my core values than Based on a couple of books that i read one famous one by a cup Habits of highly effective people and then another one called what matters most. By his partner hiram smith they wrote about how each of us have tended twenty core values out of total about four hundred and their internal there with us from child and they don't seem to change much if you can discover them live based on the meeting be consistent with them if you've got a core value of creativity have some creativity in your life. I don't have a corvette creativity but if you have a core value of integrity The truth hanging around people that are honorable Because others will bother you a lot more than a normal if you have that And so then. I reflected back and the next eleven years after i adopted. Micrograms became an entrepreneur. I developed over that period of time. Smith and covey said you'd get if you follow your core values you will get a fulfillment in peace of mind. I translate that to happiness but happiness so vegas over us data and then the inhabit became financially independent on eleven years. And i was able to meet with one of these guys of covey is been deceased's twenty twelve. But hiram smith was alive until the end of twenty nineteen and i flew down to southern utah. Met with him told him his book changed my life and he knew he was dying and was going to die three weeks later.
"hiram smith" Discussed on WFAN Sports Radio_FM
"I would call it right now. A very light rain. It's been raining pretty Steadily throughout the morning. But right at this moment, I'm back inside now, but I was outside. It's cold. It's it's wet. It's damp. It's expected a rain off and on throughout the game, But right at this moment, it does not appear to be raining very hard. But right now, a rivalry renewed between this team Ah, the two and four Cowboys by the way I aired because their percentage points behind the two foreign one Eagles, who won On Thursday night, but against the Washington team that sticks with Kyle Allen, and it does not look like Dwayne Haskins is going to be back any time soon, though. No on and you know, I don't even know if something happened to Kyle Allen, and he was help for a couple of weeks. You know, if Haskins would automatically be the number two quarterback, I mean, that's you know, it makes sense roster wise, right, but I think he's that far in the Chateau bow. Wow. If you will doghouse for those that don't understand that reference. You know, the bottom line is what you know. Here's a classic example. Right last week Act. I don't know if you solve this, but you know there was a report. Said he was fine, like almost $5000 for booking a hotel room in the team hotel for a family friend in New Jersey. And he has jersey ties and, you know, does that sound like anything illegal or cross? Of course not. Is that anything major on the grand scheme of things? No. But your coach, your head coach who benched you, by the way has cancer and we're living in a global pandemic and the rolls are the team rules are you can't do that. And on top of that, if you're like a called without a mask in the team facility, it's an automatic $14,000 fine. From what I know. Like they have very strict rules on top of the NFL, and then you go and do something like that. That's the kind of in maturity the kind of things that bothered the last coaching staff. And this coaching staff certainly lack of awareness if it'll nothing else, and that is certainly not what you're looking for The guy who you really need to be the leader of your team. So again, hey, is not starting today. But you know, both of these teams obviously going through a lot different times, with Ron Rivera taking over in Washington. And, of course, the Cowboys under Mike McCarthy is not ruin a good start so far. Zach Martin Out today so that that complicates matters and, of course, Dr Prescott already done for the season. So this is a team that's very much finding its way right now, and certainly uncharacteristic in many areas is certainly when you take a look at the Cowboys of 15 15 giveaways, a league high worst minus 12 turnover margin and especially Ezekiel Elliott, with the five fumbles for Lost The turnover margin is absurd. You just cannot win NFL games. I mean, remember, they should be one in five right? They shouldn't have won their season opener in that great comeback against Atlanta. If not for that, you know that botched onside kick and and sure they made a great comeback, and they barely hung on and beat the Giants a couple of weeks ago. So you know, I don't want to take away any credit for them, but we really should be even talking about a worse Alice Cowboy team that being said they've given up 36 plus points again. You mentioned the turnover margin You mentioned you mentioned all the injuries. I mean, you think about it, They're all offensive line. Check this out. Right? Normally, you know, in years past, they spent a boatload of money. It's Chiron Smith. It's Fill in your JAG at left guard, right? And it's Travis. Rhetoric it Zack Martin the best right guard the game. Lyell Collins at right tackle. All of those guys. All of them are either insured on injured reserve or retired, gone and there are also back. Hiram Smith's back up is out and the guy that's going to play left tackle today against either Monta sweat or chase young camera been a former first round pick who was a flameout in Cleveland. He was just activated off of I R yesterday because the backed up guy went on I r Whitney surgery, So I mean, You know they have the corner. This This all offensive line, which again has been a strength of the Dallas Cowboys is just completely decimated by injury. Ah, and no. Washington is obviously going to miss They're starting left tackle chairing Christian, But nothing compares to what the Cowboys are going through. And then you throw on all those other problems, and we just talked about and interesting. The 218 points allowed through six games by the Cowboys, the most by an NFL team. Since Washington 1954. Of course, Andy Don't making his second consecutive start in place for the injured.
"hiram smith" Discussed on The How-To Heretic
"However I must say here that these particular coincidences are not the silver bullet mormonism we might think they are. And are among the easiest things for true believing Mormons to simply dismiss. Yeah. Because Jesus has because Jesus is magic exactly. If you believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet of Almighty God, and if you believe believe his divinely directed mission was to restore the one true religion of God to the earth seventeen hundred years after it fell away. Then, it's not really much of a stretch to believe that God directed Marone to the place where he did or that he guided the papyrus to Michael Chandler and then directed Chandler to Kirtland. In fact, the more secure circuitous Byzantine the route these artifacts took to get to their final destination is actually faith firming tournaments who see it all as a heavenly version of national treasure. To us who have either escaped the Colt or have never been in under its spell, these coincidence coincidence is our damning mostly because they simply are. But to Kurt more because are facts. But the current Mormons. They are proof of the quiet patient hand of God pulling the levers of his plan so. I would actually counsel that if you have practicing Mormon friends or family, you don't even bother with these coincidences. Now I promise you we're not the first point them out and their ability to deny them as well exercised muscle. There are other coincidences however, which we will talk about that are far more useful, damning and hard to deny such as the fact that at the same time that Joseph Smith Hiram Smith Oliver Cowdery in Sydney region were composing the book of Mormon supposedly the Comprehensive Anthology of the whole history of all native Americans, which has the entirety of culture on both American continents beginning in six hundred BC with a dozen or so Jews. Archaeology anthropology linguistics, linguistics and not too long after the scientists scientists of radiocarbon dating genetics would all conspire to show these claims as utterly false? And most importantly for us today the lost in mysterious Egyptian language that Joseph Smith found shade under in which to compose the book of Abraham was being deciphered at that very time. During the French occupation of Egypt in the late eighteenth century, they dug up and stole everything that was not nailed down. Among their plunder was a decree written on a black, a grand diorite Stella, Stella got that one nailed it in ancient, Greek and ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. I love when Brando yelled that outside of sellers apart duration. When the British defeated the French and eighteen to one they still everything the French had stolen including what was now called the Rosetta Stone Scholars began the difficult process of deciphering the loss language in eighteen o three and by eighteen twenty, four John Francois Shampoo Yang had pretty much cracked the code. News of this apparently traveled slowly and Josie Smith took possession of the papyrus in eighteen thirty five..
"hiram smith" Discussed on Leadership and Loyalty
"And. It doesn't mean that you that you become a martyr victim. Other people meet and you don't that other people get full gas and you don't right because that doesn't help anybody. Because becoming a modern of victim means that you then will punish people, and you'll retaliate, and there's a slippery slope there. I think impactful leader is defined. How much is enough? I think spouses partners. Define how much is enough. Because otherwise you'll be on a perpetual hunt for everything. And you'll never be fulfilled. So I. I fully agree with you that we have to define you know if we're sitting down with some news, I well you know. What is the definition of success? You know that that will ramble on forever all they actually have nothing to say that mono. So I think you're absolutely right. There's a need foot definition of enough but I'm really interested in serving the person right now. Who is? freaking out. They're freaking out and the they go and listen. I got a job here. I got kids I got a mortgage. X., Y. and said how do you? How would you guide them? Scott help us out here I would you guide them to move into that space because you know obviously the bigger the fear you know, the big more immobilizing is we're GONNA go into one of the three APPs. which is fight, flight or freeze? For most people many of them have gone into I can see talking to people who've got into freeze. They don't know what to do. how do you? How would you guide them to move into an abundant mindset? While this is still very real, and there may be thinking my job as naughty. Central Sony essential to society, and it's not essential to my company and I could be. Going, from living a nice middle class out, lifestyle to God knows what maybe I'll have to live in the streets and my kids I mean I met people talking about those things. Yeah. It's real. This is very real. Absolutely I think two things one is. I think we're all going to have to redefine. What our purpose is here and then all of us are redefining reshuffling our values. And we hear a lot about values. It's a kind of a buzzword out there, but does I meet very few people that can tell you their values been. They'll make them up on the spot I. Value Patriotism I value security value. Yeah, that's great. I don't think many people had done the hard work to set down in really to uncover to discover. Their own values, I'll confess sin here. I've worked with the Franklin Covey Company for twenty. Five Years Dr Covey past eight years ago. One of his one of his many legacies. Idea of writing personal mission statement. We have your hundreds of millions of people that I've written personal mission statements. It never resonated with me. That was a single guy. My thirties was my mission I dunno more champagne more trips to Venice. I don't know right more tennis I. Don't know but as a single guy. I had no idea what my mission is but then I heard our other founder Hiram Smith. who invented the Franklin planner in the Franklin, planning process he did he give a speech wants to our company, and he talked about the power of knowing your own values. And I went home. I literally went home from a conference at the Navy pier in Chicago, Illinois, and I spent several days or ro-weaken, really clarifying my values and that was about fourteen years ago. Phil Powell P. H. I l. p.. A. L., purpose, health, integrity, loyalty, positively, abundance, and learning. These are my seven values, and I'm very clear on them and I. I can tell you them today. Just like again next week. I will make them up because it sounds good at a dinner party. I'm very clear and how I spend my money how I raised my kids how I search for my professional income is all aligned to my values, and so positively is one of my values. Then I wake with that in the morning. You notice positively. Wasn't my I P? Purpose was my first P. Health Integrity Loyalty, none of those can be impacted by pandemic purpose, health, integrity and loyalty. That Mercedes in my garage might become Subaru next year. This large home might become a condominium next year. Right, so none of those my values I don't. I don't really value this big home. I don't really value my Mercedes I. Don't really value a lot of things in life. That I've built my life around, so I'd say the people I get clear on your values I'll bet they aren't related to the stuff you have or the clothes you wear or the restaurants you eat at. Sit down. hierarchically organized your values, secondly, entertainment thought was a great book written a few years ago called the one thing. Is founder of keller-williams. You With Manning J. PAP is on one of my favorite books. Ever written I'm GonNa slaughter a little bit, but basically is a book around deciding. What is the one thing in your life? And they call it goal setting, and they had so your five year goals. Your one your goals, your one month goals. Your one week goes your one day goals, and then you're. What are you GonNa, do right now. That ideas called goal setting to the now. One year five years one year one one one month one week one day, and right now so I would offer to anybody WHO's. Paralyzed. Fearful, frightened. WHO's in shock? The one thing you can do right now. That, you have control over right now. Definitely your mindset. But it might be that you might need to disrupt your skills and look for a different job it might be. They might have garage sale and sell eighty things. You don't need to buy food for your family next.
"hiram smith" Discussed on Andrew Rappaport's Rapp Report
"And in court they were, I'm reading from the history. It says that day in court Joseph and higher were released to await trial on the riot charges, but before the brothers could leave town to William. Laws associates brought complaints against them for declaring martial law in the WVU. They were charged with treason against the government and people of Illinois a capital offense that permitted the men for being released on bail. So, Joseph and hire more confined in the county jail locked together in a cell for the night. And this jail. The Carthage jail is a stone building. It's two stories you walk in the bottom. The bottom part was the quarters where the jailer lived with his family and upstairs. There was a barred cell as well as a debtor sell. They call it, and you would go up the stairs and there was a landing there. You would turn to the right, and if you went straight, you would go towards the debt or sell. That's where they put Joseph Smith in the debt or sell. And the door itself didn't even lock. It was wart Baloch did not work, and so you would think that they didn't really think you'd be a flight risk. Except for the fact that they did have armed guards at the jail to make sure that Joe Smith wooden escape, so even though he could probably walk out of the room and go on the landing, he couldn't get away from the jail and and and flea. But what happens on June twenty seventh? Eighteen, forty four. The jail. Is. I. Guess, you could say attack by a mob, and this mob is coming for Joseph Smith now did they want to kill Joseph Smith, that's a matter of controversy something that maybe they were there, merely to capture Joseph Smith and turn them in because he was wanted in another area of the country, and maybe they could get a reward of that, but we'll never really know because we just won't know that stuff. Is I guess not really available to us to know all the facts there, but the mob attacks the jail and they go up on the landing. And Joseph Smith is being visited at that time by a man named Willard Richards and John Taylor. John, Taylor would later become the third president of the Church and Willard Richards was Mormon Apostle they were visiting at the time and earlier in the day Joseph. Smith was visited by guy by the name of Cyrus Wheelock. Cyrus Wheelock left Joe Smith a smuggled pistol. He got past the guards and he gave the gun he actually says. Does anybody want this and Smith supposedly says here give it to me. He wanted it and he put it in his pantaloons pocket. As the way, it's worded in the history of the church. When this mob attacks! Joe Smith not only has a gun, but another man visited him during the day by the name of full, Moore, who also offered a pistol to the prisoners and Joseph. Smith took that and gave it to his brother Hiram. And as the mob came up the landing onto the landing. The men in the cellar, holding themselves against the door. Because, there isn't a lock on the door. and Th- written I'm I'm giving the story as it is more in history? A bullet goes through the door and hits Hiram in the face and the bridge of the nose. He allegedly falls back saying something like I am a dead man. Now. That is certainly controversial because a person shot in the head in that. Area specifically. Is probably not going to be forming words. Or sentences so this could be romanticized for all we know, but Hiram falls back and Joseph Smith allegedly says something to the effect. Oh my poor dear brother, Hiram, and he goes to his aid. WHO's he's laying there and as justice with gets up from his probably dead brother. At this time he pulls the gun out. The opens. The door slightly sticks his. Our Mountain fires the gun three times. Or an excuse me six times. He pulls the trigger, but it fires only three times. It's an even Allen pepper box, not a very reliable gun at all, and only three of the barrels discharge. as we understand it John, Taylor. Who was there, said Bat. The barrels did discharge hit their marks He was under the impression that two of those that were shot by Smith died. That's controversial Some say that's not true. That didn't happen although John, Taylor never changed his mind or changed his account of what happened that day. But what eventually happens, is Joseph Smith after firing the gun? They tried closing the door. He goes to the window of the jails cell, and he begins to give masonic signal of distress, saying the words Oh, Lord my God. He's shot again at the window. Any falls out never completing what many believe to be the masonic signal of stress, which is Oh, Lord, my God. Is there no help for the widow's son? All? He gets out of the words. Lord my God, and he falls out the window. They propped his body up. They shoot him again and at the end of Joe, Smith and Hiram Smith. That's how he died and yet if you were to take the tour. And I've taken it many many times. They never volunteer the information on the smuggled pistol. I always have to bring it up during the when Acre. Well in in the history of the church, one of the things I always would bring up with people is the fact that they described his death as a martyr's death. Right however, as you just gave the accounting. Assuming, shot is fired in. He's not just taking it lying down. He's not distrusting God. He's actually aggressor you know. I think the way that it words in the history of the church. Berkeley's. He had his trusty six shooter I. Think is how was said, but he's firing he's. He's trying to kill people. That's a good point Andrew. Because, even though let's say nobody died. Okay, because I heard a mormon make this argument, but nobody died. That's a controversy. Go okay, let's say nobody died. Are you telling me that when he fires into the crowd. That's not what he's hoping for. I mean you know fire gun into a crowd unless you're hoping to hit somebody and you're probably going to kill them. Especially with a caliber, the size of that L. Pepper box that he had that gun is on display in the church museum across from Temple Square to this very day. Now before they they modernized the visitor center. They had a different gun on display that they said was the gun Joseph Smith years well. When I saw the new gun, the opened up the after the renovation I went up and ask somebody at the at the museum. Why is there a different gun on display? Well didn't know that there was a different gun, but I did I'd pictures of the old one as well as the new, and they are not the same it's. It's an Ethan Allen Pepper box. But the barrel on the original gun was significantly longer than the barrel on this gun. That is now on display. And I. Had someone from the Church eventually contact me on? That may admitted that I was right at is a gut the different gone, but that the one on display now is the one that Joseph Smith did us. Even though for years, the sign on the other guns said it was the one that was is. But it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter Joseph Smith was trying to cause bodily harm to his attackers. Now if a Mormon wants to say, he was.
"hiram smith" Discussed on Christian Podcast Community
"And in court they were. I'm reading from the history. It says that day in court. Joseph and higher were released to await trial on the riot charges, but before the brothers could leave town to William laws, associates brought complaints against them for declaring martial law in the wvu. They were charged with treason against the government and people of Illinois a capital offense that permitted the men for being released on bail. So Joseph and hire more confined in the county jail locked together in a cell for the night. And this jail. The Carthage jail is a stone building. It's two stories you walk in the bottom. The bottom part was the quarters where the jailer lived with his family and upstairs. There was a barred cell as well as a debtor sell. They call it, and you would go up the stairs and there was a landing there. You would turn to the right, and if you went straight, you would go towards the or sell. That's where they put Joseph. Smith in the debt or sell. And the door itself didn't even lock. It was wart. Baloch did not work, and so you would think that they didn't really think you'd be a flight risk. Except for the fact that they did have armed guards at the jail to make sure that Joe. Smith wooden escape, so even though he could probably walk out of the room and go on the landing. He couldn't get away from the jail and and and flea. But what happens on June twenty seventh? Eighteen forty four. The jail. Is. I guess you could say attack by a mob and this mob is coming for Joseph Smith now did they want to kill Joseph Smith? That's a matter of controversy something that maybe they were there merely to capture Joseph Smith and turn them in because he was wanted in another area of the country, and maybe they could get a reward of that, but we'll never really know because we just won't know that stuff is I. Guess Not really available to us to know all the facts there, but the mob attacks the jail and they go up on the landing. And Joseph Smith is being visited at that time by a man named Willard Richards and John Taylor. John Taylor would later become the third president of the Church and Willard Richards was Mormon Apostle they were visiting at the time and earlier in the day, Joseph Smith was visited by guy by the name of Cyrus. Wheelock Cyrus Wheelock left Joe Smith a smuggled pistol. He got past the guards and he gave the gun he actually says. Does anybody want this and Smith? Supposedly says here give it to me. He wanted it, and he put it in his pantaloons pocket. As the way, it's worded in the history of the church. When this mob attacks! Joe Smith not only has a gun, but another man visited him during the day by the name of full Moore. who also offered a pistol to the prisoners and Joseph Smith took that and gave it to his brother Hiram. And as the mob came up the landing onto the landing. The men in the are holding themselves against the door. Because there isn't a lock on the door. and Th- written I'm I'm giving the story as it is more than history. A bullet goes through the door and hits Hiram in the face and the bridge of the nose. He allegedly falls back. Saying something like I am a dead man. Now. That is certainly controversial because a person shot in the head in that. Area specifically. Is Probably. Not going to be forming words. Or sentences so this could be romanticized for all we know, but Hiram falls back and Joseph Smith allegedly says something to the effect. Oh my poor, dear brother, Hiram, and he goes to his aid. WHO's he's laying there and as justice with up from his probably dead brother. At this time he pulls the gun out. The opens the door slightly sticks his arm out and fires the gun three times. Or an excuse me six times he pulls the trigger, but it fires only three times. It's an even Allen pepper box, not a very reliable gun at all, and only three of the barrels discharge. as we understand it John Taylor. Who was there said bat? The barrels that did discharge hit their marks He was under the impression that two of those that were shot by Smith died. That's controversial Some say that's not true. That didn't happen although John Taylor, never changed his mind or changed his account of what happened that day. But what eventually happens is Joseph Smith after firing the gun. They tried closing the door. He goes to the window of the jails cell, and he begins to give masonic signal of distress, saying the words Oh Lord, my God. He's shot again at the window. Any falls out never completing what many believe to be the masonic signal of distress, which is oh Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow's son? All? He gets out of the words. Lord, my God, and he falls out the window. They propped his body up. They shoot him again and at the end of Joe Smith and Hiram Smith. That's how he died and yet if you were to take the tour. At, I've taken it many many times. They never volunteer the information on the smuggled pistol. I always have to bring it up during the when Acre. Well in in the history of the church, one of the things I always would bring up with people is the fact that they described his death as a martyr's death. Right however as you just gave the accounting. Assuming shot is fired in. He's not just taking it lying down. He's not distrusting, God he's actually aggressor. You Know I. Think the way that it words in the history of the church. Berkeley's. He had his trusty six shooter I. Think is how was said, but he's firing he's. He's trying to kill people. That's a good point Andrew, because even though let's say nobody died. Okay, because I heard a mormon. Make this argument, but nobody died. That's a controversy. Go okay, let's say nobody died. Are you telling me that when he fires into the crowd. That's not what he's hoping for. I mean you know fire gun into a crowd unless you're hoping to hit somebody and you're probably going to kill them. Especially with a caliber, the size of that L. Pepper box that he had that gun is on display in the church museum across from Temple Square to this very day. Now before they they modernized the visitor center. They had a different gun on display that they said was the gun Joseph Smith years well when I saw the new gun after the opened up the after the renovation I went up and ask somebody at the at the museum. Why is there a different gun on display? Well didn't know that there was a different gun, but I did I'd pictures of the old one as well as the new, and they are not the same. It's an Ethan Allen Pepper box. But the barrel on the original gun was significantly longer than the barrel on this gun. That is now on display. And I had someone from the Church eventually. Contact me on. That may admitted that I was right. At is a gut the different gone, but that the one on display now is the one that Joseph Smith did us, even though for years the sign on the other guns said it was the one that was is. But. It doesn't matter it doesn't matter Joseph. Smith was trying to cause bodily harm to his attackers. Now if a Mormon wants to say, he was.
"hiram smith" Discussed on Mere Mortals Unite
"Get so good so good organization. Tell me have you had people? I imagine you have so I'd like to share a story Because I've talked to the other leaders that I have interviewed in. And what happens sometimes when you have a great culture of people come into your culture who haven't come from a great culture and there are a little reticent right. They're like really. I can do this really you. Do this key Sharona. An example of how that works in your company and what you've experienced like that. We have a thick culture. That's always good right. We have a thick culture. There is definitely our Franklin Covey kind of way of thinking and doing things. It's no secret. Were based here in Salt Lake City. Which has a unique culture in. Utah. I don't need explain that further right and that's sometimes good and sometimes bad it's been generally I think. Great FOR MOST PEOPLE IN UTAH. I think for a guy like me. I was a single Catholic boy from Florida. Moving to Utah in the nineties right. I mean that's like being a survey taken you aside and going are you out of your mind. Oh my gosh are you kidding me? You know with Scott. You're so funny meant Scott. We don't talk that way here right so I I learned a ton right. They learned to love me. I learned to love them. But it will be like if you are an Orthodox Jew going to work in Vatican City right. I mean this is going to be interesting. But it's been aware of both parties for awhile. I think I think the biggest culture shock is senior leaders coming in. I think we're quite adept at integrating frontline employs more. Junior associates can building up in the firm assimilating into the culture. I think when people are in their forties and fifties coming in with they've worked for so many other cultures based on. I think well now. What's that word you're using like every every culture has its own language and now what is that concept again. So I think it's harder for senior executives senior leaders to assimilate in because perhaps they've always been on guard. They've always distrusted detail. They had to write and they were very. They weren't very forthcoming. Perhaps even suspect or defensive for getting burned so I think that's a challenge also good and bad once they're in and they can assimilate in it's great and sometimes they weren't able to write because the culture isn't for everyone correct correct. I have a friend of mine. He's has the words it's not a good fit and then it's not personal anymore. It's just not a good fit and sometimes we're not the right fit for you is always your fault right. It's not the right. It can go both ways absent. Well you know I think with this change in culture. That is the foundational part. Everything can go both ways. You know. It's not. Only you're interviewing the interviewee is interviewing you to. That wasn't true twenty years ago. Not only you know that you want them to be honest. They want their leaders to be honest. So I think in a in a great culture we see both sides playing the same game now. I don't mean it as a game by you know. They're both living on same playing the same sport. I think you're right. I think I think less and less Julian under the days where interviewees are just willing to take any job right people WANNA know. What's the leadership here like? What's the culture like? What's it like to work here? Can you thrive here? This is a great questions down to grow year. Can you can. I build my career inside this organization or is it. Okay if I'm here for three years and take all I can and give all I can in move on. I tell you someone said something me so wise once and I know that our time is ending. This was a colleague of mine she said. Send-offs are more about those who stay than they are for those who leaves. Now you treat people who leave is more about the people who stay right so when someone comes and says they're leaving congratulate them the excited for them. Tell them you know. Learn all can and come back when you're ready in the meantime refer in all your trust high high competent friends right because people watch that people on the way out. People know that saint is going to be happening to them and they're gone emotionally not physically. That's funny because I just did a keynote not too long ago and I talked about. You know that e mail you don't send to people that can be totally automated when they send you a resume that could have been your next great employee and when you have room for them. They're not going to work for you because you were weren't polite enough to at least say we got your resume. We're we're not going to go down this road. Whatever you say. It doesn't take a lot of time right. We have email templates that you could use to do that. And so many companies ghost people all the time but the people there ghosting can either be there next. Vp or their next biggest customer. You don't know you never know him. Well said all right. So what do you think is the very best attribute about the Franklin Covey Culture? Oh we live our values we we try desperately to practice what we preach so if we're teaching your company about building a high trust culture and you're learning to thirteen behaviors of high trust leaders are leaders. Know them we're struggling. We'RE FAILING BUT WE'RE VERY MINDFUL. If we're teaching you how to develop your goals execute your strategy were living in struggling with the same thing so we are as congruent as any organization could be would taking our own medicine and so. I'm most proud of that right. Dr Covey was a man of impeccable character. So was Hiram Smith or other CO founder and was very humble about his own failures some quite public in was a man of great willingness to forgive others was on the on the receiving benefit of that. I think in our company. We have Like I said this mantra of workplace of choice for achievers with heart and so we try to treat people with respect in the hopes in return. They'd be great loyalty and hard work and I think it's a good formula that's overall worked well for us. And what do you think is a one area? You want to work on a little bit more. I think diversity diversity of thought diversity of Gender Race Sexual Preference like I said. We'RE HEADQUARTERED IN UTAH. We're a global company so we have employees eighty countries but we're trying to be more attractive to individuals of diverse lifestyles and thought. Because we want our. We won our employee base to reflect our customer base and. It doesn't always very intentional about that. You know when you're headquartered in Utah you're going to get you know a lot of resumes of similar kinds right like you would if you were in. New Mexico or he right and we're clear. I think we're Chris criticized sometimes unfairly for that right. But we want our employee base to better reflect our client base and it's It's been a challenge for us at our dedicated to making great progress on it. Great well I don't WanNa leave before I give you an opportunity to talk just a little bit more about your book. We will have a link for people to purchase it in the show notes but once you give me a thirty seconds synopsis. Thanks Julian so the book and I wrote the first book is called Management Mess. I love to leadership success. Thirty challenges to become the leader. You would follow it debuted for six weeks as a number one on Amazon and just last week at one. The Owl Award for outstanding works of Literature for the number one leadership book by Book Pal. I'm excited about that. You can buy that book anywhere or Visit Management Mess Dot Com. I also co authored. A book out last month called. Everyone deserves a great manager. The six critical practices for leading a team that debuted at number four on the Wall Street journalists. We were very proud of that. And you can follow me or connect with me on link dinner instagram. Google they'll all be on the show. Now Okay Great. Great I look forward to that. I haven't read through the whole book mess. What I'm on Julianne. I have looked at it. That's okay read a couple of chapters at your posting up your hosting a podcast. He got stuff going on. I get yeah and it's not all I do but anyway I really I like the whole idea. Because again it's all about vulnerability it really is and this is what I struggle with. That's one thing that I can be a better leader for others because we're all in the same game as we talked about before. Maybe we should CO author a book. Okay we'll talk about that as soon as we get off the air all right. Every time I end the show I asked my guest a question. That has absolutely nothing to do with culture. You Ready. I'm ready we're gone. What's your favorite food? Lasagna like lasagna. With garlic bread ice tea one sugar and a salad with blue cheese dressing and homemade croutons. Blue Navy carved up like that. If I'm ever on death row that will be my last meal. Okay well I hope that's not where you have time saying anyway. Thanks so Scott for being with us today I truly appreciate it Julia. My honor I'm Julianne Sullivan..
"hiram smith" Discussed on Stuff You Missed in History Class
"They would have read we have those original source documents and it's one of them was the southern cultivator and I could read through those and read the same thing that Robert Hiram Smith would have read and decide all right well. This is how how they were growing. This plant not only which plants but how they grew it so it's not just okay. They grew tomatoes. Let's throw some tomatoes is in the ground and growth in the way that we grow them today. We have to think well. How did they grow tomatoes and in fact they had only one or two tomato varieties that they would have grown look at what we have today so I I was looking at the plants and trying to decide or I will if this is what they're listening to go by this name in this catalogue but what are they called today? They might have a a different name today a so we'll look up those we look up our seed catalogs. We look up resources from newspapers like like we don't want to just grow it because it was available in eighteen sixty. We WanNa grow those available in eighteen sixty in Atlanta right so it's authentic to this local area so are we then have to figure out well. How would they have grown these and stakes them. We learned some methods about using natural branch material and weaving it together to create a tomato table which just something we've never done before to grow them as a corden cities are meth is sort of growing plants that you don't see today and we wanna keep that traditional live and show people what used to be done so you can see that if you go to the Smith Farm today how we're growing them in the way that they would've been done in the eighteen sixties how they we don't we now in Atlanta. We have tough soil conditions so we grow everything in raised beds but if you go to the Smith Farm you can see that precursor where you raise up the bed to get better drainage but you also also do that so that the soil can warm up earlier in the season and you can start your crop faster so Smith Farm. You'll see that the the rose are held up or or created in like little small plateaus. That's the precursor to the raised beds that you see today. That's the origin is you can go back and see that and I think it's interesting to trace that history history so yes going back to the library researching those materials there and then also talking to other gardeners and people that farmers aren't always you know the first move onto the new technique and the new method and they'll remember so there's a lot of oral history that you can do as well and find out who else remembers growing these with their grandparents and how did they grow them. What did they grown. Did they pass that seat along to anybody. Did somebody save it and can we get hold of some of that seed. So there's a there's a great process there that we love and in that way you end up adding to the collection I would imagine as what silly so we have an amazing urban agriculture s Emily Roberts he does the Smith Farm farm now and she is very well connected with our network of local farmers organic farmers historic researchers of crops and has they've been able to bring back crops that would have been grown here that of a loss that researchers at universities have been able to relocate rediscover grow on and then disseminate that seed into places like us to show them to the public now and the Smith Farm is a pretty successful garden us us what he do with all that food is a great question. We have a cooking demonstrations so we have an outstanding group of interpreters does that come out there even if it's incredibly hot and they will be doing open hearth cooking of had pancakes made on a griddle we try to use crops from our farm and all of those demonstrations and they're using their researched historical receipts or recipes and looking for those ingredients ingredients so we will work with them to say. What do you need to create the food you? WanNa create and we'll grow this crops for so we have to do that way in advance in order to have have these things ready at those times and we've had some a lot of fun. We have a lot of public programs to when we've had people like Michael Tweedie come out and then he'll go out in the gardens and harvest what he he wants to grow or harvest what he wants to cook with and do those demonstrations as well so we have public programs where we do a lot of the cooking demos and then we have school group tours as with hundreds of kids on a daily basis that gets a witness US harvesting and then preparing the food that we've grown there and we also have given a lot of food to the Atlanta Food Foodbank when we have too many or sometimes we have a whole field full cabbages coming up at the same time so we can donate some to them or we can ask Super Jenny at our location if they need anything and so we can give them are herbs or any bonus crops that we have so none of it gets wasted. If there's anything left it goes home with the staff. We have loads loads more from Sarah coming up in just a moment but first we're gonNA pause for just a little sponsor break. 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"hiram smith" Discussed on Timesuck with Dan Cummins
"Name name of the church was established by revelation as the church of jesus christ of latter day saints by july fourth eighteen thirty eight becoming clear that the violence is coming while giving a patriotic ration- shen rigged and promises that mormons will have to defend themselves and warns of a war of extermination with hostile neighbours on august six non mormons attempt to prevent church members from voting leading to bloody melee ayla this kicks off will become known as the mormon war of eighteen thirty eight leads to an unknown number of injuries and deaths and the charged aftermath of the violence violent missouri governor cues milburn bogs orders all mormons to either be driven from the state or to be wiped out stuff's getting ugly and on october twenty seven eighteen thirty eight governor boggs is issue or excuse me i guess that's one of the officially issues this extermination order now against the mormons three days later tober thirtieth certa by the governor's decree an anti anti mormon mob of about two hundred and forty men massacre church members under a flag of truce at jacob hans mill in caldwell county missouri many of the saints gathered in the a blacksmith shop where the mobs guns were stuck into cracks in logs and fired and fired until motioned building were dead a few escaped across the river into the hills in the end between seventeen seventeen in one thousand nine LVS members were killed including children while fifteen others injured in the unexpected raid opposition to the mormons rages on in december smith is arrested charged with treason and sentenced to death joseph's life is only spared when the officer orders ordered to carry out the execution refuses execute him because he felt it was cold blooded murder smith instead will spend the next five months in prison with other members of his congregation liberty jail liberty clay county missouri led by brigham young in eighteen thirty nine the missouri mormons reached safety in illinois where they are welcomed by a much more sympathetic populace in april of eighteen thirty nine we'll be moved from one location to another smith is permitted to escape and makes his way to illinois also between eight may ninth and tenth eighteen thirty nine joseph smith moves to a nabu illinois there he buys land for a new settlement on the banks of the mississippi river about two hundred miles from st louis on november twenty ninth eighteen thirty nine smith travels to washington to meet president martin van buren he demands compensation for more losses in missouri van buren expresses sympathy says he can do nothing speaks to the size i of joseph smith's growing congregations able to sit down with the president the church continues to spread and grow even back then the mormon church pretty good at spreading the word brigham young his fellow members of the twelve land in liverpool england april six eighteen forty the tenth anniversary of the church eight days later begin a series of meetings in the nearby town of preston and which they resolved resolved publish a monthly periodical to be called the latter day saints millennial stall millennial star excuse me and may of eighteen forty the first issue of the millennial star is published and among all star would be the longest running latter day saint periodical published continuously for one hundred thirty years until discontinued in nineteen seventy when there was an overhaul of all LDS ES magazines it was inaugurated by the twelve apostles at the beginning of the great mission england again on august fifteenth eighteen forty joe smith publicly announces one of the more controversial controversial and interesting revelations their doctrine of the baptism for the dead it is done because according to smith's revelations unbaptise folks cannot not get into the gates of heaven so how do mormons baptized the debt mormons believe people who have died can be baptized by proxy thus allowing them the opportunity to become more after their death mormons believe that their church has missionaries in the spirit world who are busy spreading the gospel to dead people who have not yet received it should any of these dead people want to convert to mormonism awesome they're required to abide by all of its rules one of which is water baptism hence the need for proxies to receive the corporate waters of baptism so you have somebody like in a in a special special mormon ceremony pretend to be you essentially and get baptized on your behalf and then your baptize spirit world you're living in i i wonder if his son of perdition like myself qualifies for me about tyson death i hope so so you know some people mostly members of other religions if you look at a bunch of websites get real worked up about you know being baptized after a lot of stuff out there like please stop baptizing are dead doesn't bother me at all i give all mormons full permission to baptize me in death baptize my family as well i want to cover all my bases nimrod wills you to baptize my spirit's come on he worked out with miranda i we're all good in december of eighteen forty the mormons received city city charter for nabu establishing expensive home rule local militia after the first mayor is excommunicated smith becomes both mayor a military leader anyone who gets in his way he ex communicates it's a novel quickly grows within four years is near the size of chicago at the time the population bolstered by an influx of mormon converts now coming in from europe this is nuts flipping impressive the play stories bananas by i'm very impressed with how quickly they're building religion vision working hard towards that vision very successful this isn't some rinky dink thank waco compound the bill city only around twenty four hundred people that still time very impressive today only twelve hundred people in that town the town has one private private school and ironically not mormon catholic oh catholics mormons built it up in the catholics swooped in and took it marrone i must be so peeved on march seventeenth eighteen forty two of the female relief society is organized in nabu twenty women gathering the largest family room above joseph smith's red brick store it had humble beginnings as simple sewing group meant meant to make shirts for construction workers working on the temple but it would grow into its own priesthood at this founding meeting joseph smith proposed the women elected president who then choose to counselors emma smith elected president by unanimous vote makes sense she's the she's the prophet's wife of her you're gonna be excommunicated she chose sarah m cleveland and elizabeth and witness counselors after the selection joseph smith at reeds revelation it received for emmett smith in eighteen thirty the declared her in elect lady emma had a responsibility joseph taught to expound the scriptures to all and teach the female part of the community and that not she alone but others may attend the same blessings god these guys to form a community i have to think spending his formative would've years in the burned over district of new york watching so many other religions get going had to have helped him on july twelfth eighteen forty three smith announces revelations about to new practices a first he continues with the idea that the dead can be baptize you know there's practices discloses part of three different revelations seconds and the one that people love the most he decides ho ooh mormons are now pro polygamy plural marriage hale is a fina here we go out yeah not only was polygamy permissible but in certain cases hase's mandatory to be fair polygamy was practiced by many different characters in the old testament of the bible but that practice had been discontinued for over two thousand years here's the second pronouncement in particular caused great division amongst mormons with brigham young even stating he would rather die than follow it and joseph smith initially he'd come around later joseph smith's wife emma expressing opposition yeah i bet i i don't i don't like this this revelation section thirty two in the LDS doctrine and covenants express expressly directs emmett smith specifically to accept plural marriage how convenient uram saying smith joseph has a vision from god that his his wife specifically needs to let her husband swing his wayne around town it could that could not be more colty like super super duper code red ring the alarm bells going colty whenever dude says that god told him that he needs to put his not so clean anymore you know in in other wives holes cult cult cult cult cult god's alleged personal commitment to emma goes like this and i command mine handmade emmett smith to abide and cleave unto into my servant joseph and none else but if she will not divide this commandments you shall be destroyed sayeth lord friend lord god and we'll destroy troy her if she bide not my law i do find it weird by the way also why god still speaking in king james kind of language like this isn't happening back when the king james bible dean written is that just how gods suck all right how fast god like people didn't talk that way in the mid nineteenth century which also just like come on that that alone makes me not by any of this as revelations from god but that's just how i mean 'cause in order to accept that i have to believe that that's just how god always talks it's like you know that this can talk in english but he doesn't update his his lingo doesn't matter how we talk down here now i am god thou childless into asked how me be unto me cleveland's unto me heck for heck forshaw dow passed okay although the doctor will now be public announced really louis decade rumors quickly spread increasing anti mormon sentiment joe smith by by the way rumored secrecy dab between twenty five and possibly almost fifty wives to his life when young would later come around to embrace the doctor and he himself would take twenty wives and father fifty seven children so that was fun about joseph emma love that i'm sure her parents thought oh man you know we thought there there's something off about joe when emmitt got married to him and show thinning being we were right eighteen forty four almost forty year old joseph smith has pretty strange year smith decides to declare intentions run for president of the united states he also announced in a sermon that those who obey god's commands can become gods themselves and and he ordered the destruction of an opposition newspaper the nabu x. positive so seems like he's gone full tilt or now the ensuing outcry is aggressively weird behavior leads to criminal charges of treason conspiracy after starting to flee smith change his mind and surrenders to say this is not good so not work out well for him in february eighteen forty four smith and his brother hiram smith had been jailed on charges of treason conspiracy because that is exactly what they're doing they've gone pretty kuku then on june twenty seven to eighteen and forty four both smith and his brother here i'm smith get murdered in jail by an anti mormon mob in carthage illinois this didn't happen a lot murdered by mobs this speaks to how much these guys riling people up like they were hated all awaiting trial an armed mob of about two hundred men storm the facility their faces painted black with wet gunpowder here here we killed i shot in the face as he fell here michelle i'm a dead man joseph after emptying the pistol with which he tried to defend himself joseph was then shot several times while while trying to escape from a second story window and fell from the window as he died and listen to that shooting as you know trying to shoot others who are trying to kill him i mean that's me nate holguin but that's not what jesus would have done right jesus was a pacifist he allowed himself to die not doing the same thing here at all no one would be convicted of the crime like that joseph in here and become martyrs of the mormon faith and their faith continues to grow do i think they deserve to be murdered no but am i surprised murdered ho flip no i mean you start taking can extra wives and telling people that can be gods and baptized in other people's dead relatives and commanding your followers to destroy opposition angry mobs gonna form you doing that at eighteen forties missouri asked of course p people off my heck flip the struggle for the leadership of the more movement but now following which the saints were divided over or whether to follow as the council of the twelve be surviving members of the smith family see the remaining members of the first presidency or d a variety of other potential leaders such as james l. james j strang rang or lyman wight over the next few years the church would fragment out in so many different pieces actually prior to eight hundred forty four nine sub denominations of joseph church had already split off the pier christ pure christ church several different groups calling themselves the church of christ oh the pure church of christ sorry said around one called the church jesus christ the bride the lamb's wife most groups todd that joseph smith was not a prophet most of them were formed you know people he excommunicated or the people that you know became discussed with his behavior and they but they still like other aspects of mormonism and they formed their own little group based around joseph being a false prophet between green joseph deaths joseph death and now over seventy different groups formed out of the original mormon church almost all of them now defunct most of the ones still around have less than a thousand members the largest remaining group that i mentioned earlier to community of christ with roughly two hundred fifty thousand members headquartered in independence missouri those are the descendants or the followers guess of the people who the follow joseph son also named joseph after goes have died while the member who would fall a who followed brigham young that those people would become part of what the LDS church of today's on august eighth eight hundred forty four the church conference in novel illinois sustained brigham young and the quorum of the twelve apostles as leaders of the church between december eighteen forty five february eighteen.
"hiram smith" Discussed on Thank God I'm Atheist
"I really yeah that's true anyway. Here's a painting painting of <hes> depicting the murder of Joseph Smith and the guy the other guy is actually an interesting painting. It's fascinating because sake you know there's this little it's actually to it's a diptych right and it's on either ends up being on either side of the door <hes> where the mob is coming into murder her Joe and yes and one of the guys in the room is looking directly at us at the camera at there's no camera I zoned guy. He's looking at the camera. He's breaking the A shy everything like everything so like here. These are like some first of all some really funky sunglasses yeah owned by Joseph Smith's brother Hiram. Yeah <hes> apparently yeah he was styling yeah. Look at that just wandering around the eighteen hundreds with seems like it's trying a bit too hard talk that is <hes> that is Hiram Smith that his death mask guy. Should I just tell the story just really dad was as I say it was a curator here and he he I was I used to I I went to school not far from the building and it was a long bus ride home so I didn't. I wasn't ever eager to get on the bus so I would like sometimes go and visit my dad at his work. One day I went in to visit him and he had this thing over on a desk sort of by his office and I picked it up and I was was like what is this. I'm just sort of looking at it and he goes Oh. That's that's Hiram. Smith's death mask and I was holding the actual thing in my hand that was I don't think you're supposed to without gloves or whatever just picking up I learned a lesson about just grabbing and respect for the dead Dan. I oh I didn't know Joe Smith the sunken this gross he. I don't know dad peace hope but there I am. There's frank yeah right behind him. That's not actually really fascinated me. Dan Yeah these are the clothes that hiring Smith was wearing when he was sean. John was killed and they haven't been like this display case and like you're looking at it and you're like wait. Is that the whole was he shot the whole. There's a the whole right at the knee turns out. No that's not the whole he was shot in <hes>. There's there's just wearing tattered clothes. He was wearing clothes with holes in. They can go find the actual whole yeah there's like how did they get the blood out of the because you don't see blood probably very careful fold museum level like like restoration..
"hiram smith" Discussed on The How-To Heretic
"The things that were printed the power that gave it yeah and so therefore Josaphat like this thing could destroy the entire house of cards so he declared the newspaper Fake News Public Nuisance and then on June tenth he lit a mob at that broke into the building and destroyed the press was he was there. It was present present. I didn't realize it yep and again. It's it's hard to overstate how big shock to the to American sensibilities was destroying oppress at that time I it's crazy so warrants issued for Smith's arrest so Joseph declared martial law in new and called up the Novel Legion O.. J.'s things we're about to get fucking real so governor Illinois Governor Thomas Ford traveled to the county seat of Carthage several miles from Nauvoo to try and prevent a war the Governor Guaranteed Smith Safety and a fair trial and at first Joseph and Hiram tried to flee across the Mississippi River however when they realized that such a cowardly act because it was a cowardly act they were abandoning their their flock <hes> <hes> they realized that the cowardice of that and and that check that on the Bingo card exactly like leader fleeing in the night. What's it gets hot? They realize that this act might bring the church down in and of itself so they returned <hes> <hes> back across the river and road towards Carthage to turn themselves in so various accounts habit that Joseph said quote. If my life is of no value to my friends it has done to myself and I am going like a lamb to the slaughter but I am as calm as a summers morning I have a conscience void of offense towards God and towards all men I shall die innocent and Shell yet be said of me. He was murdered in cold blood. Okay bullshit what a passive aggressive drama but also like that's that that sounds like like somebody wrote it after the fact just yes he was going to his martyrdom totally smacks of of a because what he was really saying was fuck. Oh Fuck Fuck. What do we do? What do we do totally yeah and then and then everybody asks after after the guys murder they're like what did he say when he was being dragged to jail I go but for the boarding yeah totally stupid tell us Martin Harris or whoever was was in the room with John Taylor Johnson right yeah so now in custody in Carthage Joseph even hire them were charged with treason for declare martial law which was a capital offense this oh it's a big deal well yeah because they were Oh yeah? They called up insurrection so they were held in the second floor of a small jailhouse and we're allowed out visitors treason used to get you in jail in this country that was those were the days okay we got that started out. We got that ironed out. That's Goofy <hes> they were held on the second floor and they they were allowed visitors one of the smuggled into guns to them a single shot pistol in repeating six-year called pepper box. It's always good to have a gun in jail. Yeah I like having those <hes>. It's also well account so if you're certain God's going to protect you right exactly you might as well have that protection in the form of a couple smuggled guns he actually <hes> there's pretty certain accounts also drinking wine in prison <hes> which to you know anyone who's never mo who gives shit but to Mormons. That's a big deal because didn't know did <hes> Martin Harris smuggle it in his ass in prison. What was pretty lax lacks? They were just kind of being held. It was because again remember. The governor was trying to prevent a war right. Oh he didn't want to punish or treat Joseph Smith badly but he definitely had to get Joseph under custody and I've been there. It's kind of a it's really a bit more of a guesthouse house than it is. So Joseph sent on the late on July June twenty-sixth pardon me Joseph did send for the novel Legion to come and rescue him but for reasons forever known that order was not carried out so we don't know why now or to it probably Brigham Young folded up. PUT IT in his pocket exactly I'll get to this in a bit June. twenty-seventh eighteen forty four in the room are Joseph his brother Hiram John Taylor who would go onto the third president of the Church after Brigham Young and a dude named William Richards Willard Richards. Pardon me so in late afternoon a mob of about two hundred men rush the jail. Their faces were painted black with wet gunpowder to obscure their identities. The mob was made up of a hodgepodge of disaffected Mormons wins jilted lovers in various others that Joseph had wronged over the last several years so can I just say if you're going to if you're going to mount a a mob execution smearing your own face with explosives explosive seems like a bad idea. Nobody said they were a good mob. Shitty mob yeah for sure. We're not a very good mob and you know the fact that kind of a tyrannical character will get their comeuppance is really the only reason get out of bed every day. Is they approach. The jail the guards the Carthage Grays fired their guns up in the air so they can later say that they had tried to stop the the mob and then they got out of the way no save you exactly half the mob rushed up the stairs while the other half began firing at the second story windows from outside the forbidden seat goodbye. They didn't work that out. We're going up fucking stairs. Don't exactly didn't they didn't plan this. It's it's it's called the mob for reason so the former inside tried to barricade the door but someone outside shot through the door and hit higher right in the face apparently as he fell back backward he cried out. I am a dead man which is a strange thing to say but indeed he were the holes in your face as as last words go it's damned accurate. He was dead before he hit the floor. Yeah so the mob thought the door open an institution push the barrels of their guns through and fired Taylor Ann Richards tried to beat the barrels down with two hickory canes they had Joseph took out the pepper box in kind of blindly fired it into the hallway three barrels misfired but three shots found targets wounding three of the mob go yeah Joseph then walked over the window apparently to try and jump out a shot from the hallway hit him in the back and as he fill Ford award out the window to more shots from outside. There's some dispute about his last words but my most accounts he said Oh Lord my God however it's unclear if this was just a declaration of desperation of pain or if he was attempting the May sonic distress signal to try and sway some of the mob who were certainly Mason's the masonic distress signal is my Lord my God. Is there no help for the widow son right so I'm guessing he was just I go exactly fuck wasn't in Communist. I want to read one little passage from fun. Brody's book direct quits quick question was was he wearing garments. That's a good question Yeah No. I if we should look that up. Here's a quote directly from fun Brody's book so this is Joseph is he gets. The window quote he looked upon one hundred bayonets gleaming Dolly in the murky light that seep through the heavy storm clouds behind every bayonet there was a hideously painted face and it must've seemed to him as if hell itself vomited up this apparition wow it's really pretty book. That's good right. It is so Joseph fell hard on the ground once they're the mob someone from the mob propped up against the retaining wall and four or five men fired into his chest because he wasn't dead enough yet that's right. He survived the fall in the first few shots lots but this final volley killed him. One man apparently stepped forward with a bowie knife with the intention of beheading him holy smokes but just then the clouds parted bathing the scene in sunlight and the man lost his nerve and that's actually an account. That's corroborated by people in the MOM. Can I just say that when I was when I was a young Mormon boy growing up in the Mormon Church <hes> the story that I was told was that he was shot and he went to fall out of the window and it was shot so many times going out the window that he was shot back in in what I was told really yeah well the there's there's a bunch of youtube videos that over the years the Mormons have made about this incident and they're all the all disagree with each other about whether he fired the gun for a long period of time they didn't they didn't want the narrative to have him shooting The gun right because they wanted to say greet. Oh shot I that's exactly the case right yeah but the gun that he shot is in the Church History Museum here in Salt Lake City so the finally had to Kinda. Give up on that when the pepper box yeah it's in the Church History Museum. Check it out like a library here. It is as walk around town. No it's funny. My Dad used to work in that museum like I grew up in that Museum of time and one time I was back he he was a registrar curator really and <hes> and and I would I walk. I was just sort of backed by his office and I picked up a thing and I was like what's this and he was like oh be careful with that. That is Hiram Smith's death mask Holy Shit. We'll one I had just picked it up nonchalantly. I put it down more gently. Did you put it on run around like a Halloween. It kind of consumes your. I'm the one that didn't make anything of himself. Sorry Mountain Iram Slam deterrent. That's today that Hiram all right so this point the mob had accomplished their task in the scattered Joseph and Hiram lay dead John on Taylor was hit by five musket balls one hitting his pocket watch which saved his life although that last fact is in dispute but he was real tore up like you know getting hit by Musket Ball at close range is not good for you yeah and he suffered from the the injuries the rest of his very long life and Willard Richard yet again in the room somehow got through it with just a scratch on his ear so bom five men were tried for the murder of Joseph Smith in Hiram pretty much they are identified because they had had been shot but we're all acquitted by jury and ultimately no one was ever held accountable for the assassination symbol shit. They were acquitted. Yeah Yeah maybe the Anti Mormon fervor was such. That's absolutely what it was act. The the first jury that was to try them had Mormons on it and they they declared a mistrial convened a secondary with no Mormons on it and that's the jury that that acquitted them so yeah absolutely that's who I know nothing bad happened. Yes it does not true so we'll talk about what happen next in part to cliffhanger but the great irony of all of this of course is that had Joseph lived and had to face crimes the church almost certainly would have collapsed under the weight of that of all of the scandals that were about to be exposed but his martyrdom Adam turned in already devoted religion into fanatical one <hes> so what you're saying is we need to send a mob of Greece painted monkeys into the White House. Wait no no no no panic sound effect to be running down the hallway cody. You know what to do. Kill Dan. It's it's funny because laboratory conservatory. I actually find this this event in his life to be pretty compelling now because it's a very human moment to be terrified for your life conserve scraping with your fingernails.
"hiram smith" Discussed on Freedom Fast Lane with Ryan Daniel Moran
"You need to do a before. And after video of its use. Please do it on Saturday sore neck. Yes. I know Facebook rules. There's other who's other sites for other types of advertising. Build a business in the province. I'm Ryan, Daniel Moran. And this is freedom fastlane. Boo. Got on the phone, Mr. Todd Keeley Todd keeling on the line, a greater theology. Right so much. You bet. Todd good to meet you. What's going on? Yeah. Great. Well, a question that. Yeah. I'm glad you called because I do have a question for you. What do you think happens when we die? One week while we're going gee Clint. Yeah. Let's all right to a man. I thought about that this morning as I got up to what happens. What does what do you think? Well, while there's two the two options in my mind. I do come from religious background. We're But. but. Yeah. I mind on that. But you know, if if we kinda turn into vapor and disappear I'm thinking, I'm okay with that. Because I won't be thinking about it. So, you know, I'll be worrying about it anymore. So it's not a problem for me. And then, but if it's a I come from. I'm actually was raised a Mormon. So I, you know, there's a lot of belief about an afterlife there, and if it's kind of something like that in the Christian philosophy that could be fun too. So I don't actually spend too much time thinking about it in stays actually for this thing. Morning on occasion. Yeah. Where where did the gospel of Joseph Smith find you? Well at birth. It was a long tradition actually old brother Joseph. There is my uncle my great, great uncle long pants. Yeah. Planners. Hiram? Smith is brothers is at through our lineage, of course, a lot of genealogy now back to Hiram Smith is my Gregor, whatever grandfather. What was the pivot point for you to leave religion? It's kind of intense effect. I just came from a podcast, and I'm in Seattle here. We just had a podcast meet up. I started by guess, I'm just walking away from that. I had a few years ago about eight years ago. My stepson, a young adult was killed by King County sheriff in town. So pretty heavy stuff went to that whole process, and I just had a yeah. It just seriously impact on the on. How I thought about live and what I was doing at other kind of when a when that happens. How long ago was that about eight years ago? Now, do you miss religion? It's interesting. I heard you talk about I thought you for a long time. So, you know, I know what's, you know, you bet you've course at all. But I know similarly, I missed the community aspect. I had a great a great upper bringing I feel like I had multiple parents who are really kind and the kids and everything I just had a great time with that community aspect and the connection. So I do miss that. I have looked you know. Ended up divorce on single. So I'm looking like lot of people especially a later in life for community connection with people self exploring different Geneva for math in relations structures here now. So yeah that aspect of four were Mormon what type of relationship structures? Are you researching right now, let's put it this way. I mean, I I took a hard left in a lot of my. Practices there. I, you know, all the way from you know, I don't I'm not really shouldn't traditional marriage per se for different reasons outside legal, but more of them..
"hiram smith" Discussed on Dentistry Uncensored with Howard Farran
"If you're listening on this is demonstrating censored, but I have a different itin show called the thirty day dental MBA, and it's just thirty one hour audio tracks and on YouTube, and what's so funny about that is it was nineteen ninety eight and this is twenty nineteen. So it was two decades ago and people say is still apply and might well does geom- did geometry change in twenty years did algebra change, the the homo sapiens, change. I mean, I mean every everything that you're that Lou Holtz says is going to apply a century from now, I mean, how much of Stephen Covey's material is now being deleted because it no longer applies. Steven Steven Covey's business partner back back in the early days. Hiram Smith just sits there and shakes his head. And just he he says what is original about about start with first things first sharpen the saw Stephen Covey took principles that have been around for thousands of years and just put them together in in his own way that made sense to him getting invent the seven habits of highly effective people it been around for thousands of years. Yeah. I'm your I remember in the the new big deal for my boys was I'm Tony Robbins. And he was saying, you know, your outta to your attitude affects your out your attitude affects your altitude affects your aptitude, and they were saying all that. And they they're all quoting on him. And it was like I can remember being in the car listening to zig Ziglar saying the same thing your attitude determined. Altitude. I heard that was zig Ziglar in my dad's car when I was ten and my boys all thought it was originally from Tony Robbins. And I bet it wasn't original for zig Ziglar either. I mean, these are just timeless things I mean. When you hear a Christian person talking about will Jesus had treat other people like you wanna be treated that was in Hinduism five thousand years ago. I mean, so there's many constructs in religion that are dated can do thirty two hundred BC from the Hitoto pedestrian one should always treat others as they themselves wish to be treated. I mean, we're in the people business, you gotta treat other people. Like they wanted to be treated they have to trust. You you have to trust them. I mean, it's. People people who are good people do while in business and people who do not do well with people have a very hard time business, would you agree with that? Absolutely. And and some some dentists aren't naturally great with people and. Isn't it true that we can help compensate for that by by hiring and surrounding ourselves with with a team that that is greater than greater than we are in our weak areas? Make are weaker is become strong. And it's also the the to me the signal of a high self esteem person. Like like, let's say you if you're always your goals should be always hire people that are smarter and better than you. I mean your goal if you're the CEO I mean, you want to be the dumbest person in the entire nation. And you see it in these companies where they're afraid to hire an assistant that would outshine them. Because maybe they won't get promoted up. The the ladder, whatever. And it's just a. Just very very high self esteem to hire people that you think are smarter faster better than you. I I do not think I can run my company better than lorries allow ski. I cannot run. My today's dental better than my office manager dawn has been with me twenty years. I mean, they're better at what they do than. I am. And I feel grateful that they're on the team. I'm always saw him yell Laurie sits seriously, man. Thanks, her always, helping me. And she goes, oh, you're welcome. But you know, I mean, I just I just could not do with what I do if I had an. An environment where I wasn't looking for the smartest people. And then the other thing is I'm so many people are afraid to make a mistaken on back to sports. You're talking about loopholes. There's a reason the NFL does not like the partying in the end zone. When you make a touchdown. And spike in football's because what's the opposite that when you lose your supposed to cry throw a fit take off your shoes and throw him and somebody I mean, you should winning like losing..
"hiram smith" Discussed on The Ziglar Show
"Have you know gone from sort of a mentor through the pages to you know role model and mentor in real life but let them have stayed on the pages and they have taught me taught me well do you find that there's need sometimes in this can be for both of you either one of you to have multiple members mentors for those specific areas of your life i mean i have significant things going on in my life as far as business and i find myself right now gravitating towards people who have you know how to business startup that's really going to a massive level that's a different area that not everybody has experienced and yet over here i've got a large family and it's every bit as much of an effort i don't always find somebody who has both of those things going on and so do you find earth relevant to have significant mentoring relationships with different people again at the same time for those specific needs you'll get some people that will give it to you both when they got businesses and all that like we have a wonderful friend hiram smith who started franklin quest you know he's mormon it has all kinds of kids and grandkids and he didn't gail or just measuring models of of parenting and with the family and all that but he also was a wonderful entrepreneur and you know we're doing stuff together even going to go to washington your soon to to visit with some people want to create a committee that can kind of get people to how do we create win win environments rather than win lose and yes you know what part of your you in all how do we do big picture stuff and then so it's a it's fun to have people who you can admire him both both sides my dad was a great mentor to me because he was retired admiral and navy was a mazing guy but he.
"hiram smith" Discussed on The Thinking Atheist
"And moved from new york their original place to ohio and then they were chased from ohio to missouri but the eighteen thirty eight mormon war in missouri happened which landed joseph smith in jail and that put brigham young in a rare position to be a leading force organizing the third mormon exodus exodus from missouri to illinois so as soon as joseph smith is behind bars brigham young the opportunists hey you know this is a great chance and opportunity to maneuver into a place of power and authority greater power authority correct exactly so brigham young at this time was essentially the president of the core of the twelve apostles and to give a little background the mormon leadership and hierarchy was essentially set up similar to the united states government where they had the profit than president of the church with his closest advisers and then they had the core of the twelve apostles and the high council in these three dif bodies essentially made up the power structure and when any one of them was removed the power would default back to the other bodies until they could reorganize who was removed or who died or who was a positive excommunicated or whatever the case may be so brigham young was head of the core of the twelve apostles this governing body who took over power while joseph smith was locked in jail with his brother hiram smith for arson robbery and high treason against the union sketchy dude charges robbery arson and what and high treason against the union and this is this goes to the eighteen thirty eight mormon war in missouri there's there's this is a huge huge topic but essentially the mormons they committed a war atrocities against the state of missouri and their militias and they were they eventually the the mormon headquarters in far west was surrounded by about twenty five hundred militiamen and.