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Adopt Dont Shop with Hilary Sloan: Changing the World One Puppy Rescue at a Time
"The following podcast is a deer media production today interviewed my friend, Hillary Sloan his an incredible advocate for animal rescuing and human behind the ultra popular Instagram account Ella bean, the dog Hillary is fostered countless dogs and rescued three darling. Dogs starting with Ella being followed by coconut being and most recently fi fi von bean Hillary, and I talked to her story of finding and falling in love with Ella. Coconut and fi fi the challenges of overcome together and what it's like to adopt a dog. But most importantly, Hillary educates me on why adopt. Don't shop is such an important movement. And not just a cute hashtag what we need to do better as a society to put an end to puppy mills. And even what best practices are if you're buying from a respectable breeder. I can't wait for you guys to learn from and be inspired by my friend, Hillary and her free little family. Okay. You guys today? I am so excited to do something. That's a little bit different than any of the other episodes. We've done before. But it's something that is really important. I think to talk about an educate people about and so I'm here with my friend Hillary who I love and adore so much I met her through shop style, which is a company that I partner with on a lot of different things. So Hillary is going to tell us who she is what she's about. And what her dogs are up to and what they're all about. Because that's kind of what we're here to talk about today. Thank you so much for having me Crin. I I've been such a fan of your content for so long, and I'm so grateful to my job that it allowed us opportunity to notch become business hers. But friends, it's just it's it's so special to be able to work with people who like genuinely love into. Thank you for having me. I name. My name is. Hilary Sloan I lead influence or partnerships that shop style, but when I am not working on influencer partnerships at shop style, I am a human behind the Instagram account. Alabamian the dog, I originally started the account because a, you know a few years ago when we started see the proliferation of influencers popping up across the internet. There were all these like in influence or Instagram, you know, troops. If you will like macaroni in Lothair are, and I just thought it would be really funny to replace the human influence there with a little fluffy dog. And that was like their original concept of the accountant, it it's become so much more than that, which we'll talk about. But it ended up changing my life in so many ways and hopefully changing other people's lives. I think it's done a lot more good than you would ever even recognize or realize you'd probably be amazed. If you knew how many wives have touched, but I reached out to Hillary because I feel like a there's so much like going on with people talking about like adopt don't shop that's kind of like one of the tag lines. And you know, it's kind of not cool anymore to buy a puppy. It's like there's a lot of there's just a movement of people saying, okay, there's a way better way to do this. And I will admit I'll be the first to admit that I don't know that much about this. So I and Hillary really is the expert, and she's such an advocate for rescuing, and for helping these animals in even like, fostering, which was I didn't know was a thing until I met you. And we had some of these great conversations. So let's just start from the beginning. So 'cause your first dog to my first dog was Louis who was there? I I. Yeah. He was my first. Dog. He not my dog in my life. But my first dog as an adult where he was like my job that I got I actually come from a family of people who buy docks, and and and that's that's why I have relate. I think unique view on this because I don't actually have a problem with the concept of purchasing it on from breeder. But what would I grew up with was a family who went to like, he's amazing breeders were deeply passionate about the dogs that they were raising in these dogs or raised in the home. And like everything you can think of when you think of the term good reader when the humane society talks about what makes a good breeder or reputable breeder that was what I grew up with. I didn't actually know that there was anything different. When I went to get Louis. It was the same thing that I had done my whole life. I went to like do research on the breeders that had the breed is interested in that were relatively close to me, you know, thirty years ago, it was made like physical phone calls to people young on nothing. They now Instagram. No, like, welcome people's pictures. No puppy pitchers and inserted enquiring about who might have litters. When and you know, the interesting thing about really good breeders is it's an interview for you as much as it is for them. And they are actually integrating interviewing you back in Louis reader had like a lifetime policy that if we ever couldn't keep him that he should go back to her on. And then when she retired a few years ago. She actually emailed me and Louis was like nine at the time. She emailed me and said just you knowing retiring, but you know, my offer still stands in. This is your contact is should you ever need to, you know, not have this dog and is not unique. Because that sounds kind of unique I think that it's I think that really really amazing breeders are few and far between and there's a lot of levels of amazing breeder, and I was really really picky because of what I was raised with my parents were picky in my aunt and uncle were picky in like, I think that was what I had expected. So. To me. It's not weird. Could I understand that? There are also good breeders who maybe wouldn't follow the dog for the entire life. Anyway, I had I'd never rescued in animal. I didn't know much about rescue in general, and I happen to find ELA to very long story. So to keep it short. I was living in Florida at the time. I lived there very briefly in. I was doing a lot of freelance work in. I ended up working on a project that took me into a shelter. And this would have been two thousand powder for eleven years. So in two thousand eight I was living in Miami. And I lived there really briefly. I was doing a lot of freelance work. Can I happen to have a project that ended up taking me into a shelter in keeping mind in two thousand eight this was the height of the era like the tanker Bill Hilton dogs like this is when this kind of had exploded this. Yeah. Like these teeny tiny little dogs in this was proliferating everywhere. But Miami was a hot spot for this in. I I met Ella. As part of. A project right was actually learning about commercial dog breeding. And and what this sort of thirst for these tiny little dogs was doing to the animals in ELA was Ella had been pulled out of commercial breeding situation listening in the shelter waiting to be euthanized because she was so ill, and I saw her and I just knew we were meant to be. And I mean, I had no business getting a second dog at that time in my life. I think I was twenty early twenties. I was really young and certainly couldn't support to dogs, but we made it work. And I just knew we were meant to be. And I didn't know anything about rescue at the time. She was my first introduction to rescue. And it it completely changed my life in so many ways really really cool. So I wanna know. So you said you were at this event. What like did you have an interest in that was that something that just kind of randomly happened that it was like, hey, if you wanna show up at this theme or how where does your interest? Seek. Yeah. So I after getting me, I just was like obsessed with all things dog. You know, I just I threw myself into you dog parenting dog ownership if you will and was following everything that has to do with dogs in in my local communities on in. There was a time magazine. I think it was called Florida dog that was like a local magazine that was a dog magazine. And I was doing some freelance work taking pictures for them. I'd studied photography in college in. So I was just picking up work wherever he get it. You know, and that was what led me there as I was trying to get content. I'd been gone they're kind of on an assignment to get content for them. And it was so it was I like to call it in unplanned rescue unplanted auction totally was not on my radar that I was gonna walk out of there. I I didn't walk out with her. But I walked out knowing that she would be mine and begging them to release hurts me at net. It was a period of approval I had come back the next day. And I remember I didn't sleep the whole. All night and I woke up next morning and drove their early before they open it was waiting outside. 'cause I just moved. She was my dog. That's so cool. And I mean, obviously with all the good you guys have done together. It really was meant to be. Who knew who know what would change my life like this? Right. So tell me what that was like at first to have this rescue dog that was in your home, and you're trying to love her and trying to figure out how to make her feel safe in happy. Yeah. I think one of the the the things that I was most surprised by an N again. This just want to clarify that this is actually not the case for all rescue dogs. They're so many rescue dogs that are like happy and well adjusted in like just need a place to crash in, you know, find their forever home. I personally have chosen to take on the dogs that I've taken on in my life in Ella's case. I didn't know what I was doing. And I was probably for the best that I had no idea what I signing up for just pretty skinny malnourished in she was teeny tiny, and she would get hypoglycemic. So like shoot little syringes of like sugar. What are in her mouth every couple of hours like keeper study? And she wanted nothing to do with me. And I just. As someone who grown up having dogs that came to me generally as puppies. And I, you know, had them from the time they were ten twelve weeks old all the way through old age on my never experienced this before where a dog wanted nothing to do with me. And I would find her like in the other room at night, she she would leave the bedroom at night go into the other room into the opposite corner unlikely huddled in the corner super fearful she didn't she didn't know about humans. She didn't know what we were about. She didn't she didn't view us as a safe place or have any trust. And of course, why would she so to back up where she came from commercial dog breeding in this is still a major major issue in this issue. I most passionate about in terms of rescue. There are about ten thousand puppymills estimated to be active in the United States. And there's one hundred ninety four thousand dogs that are estimated to be kept solely for breeding in these kinds of societies in. So, you know, every time you see a puppy. He in pet store or sold online. There's there's a dog in a cage that's kept behind the scenes there that that's that's sort of the behind the scenes in the impact that you're having that you're contributing to this industry. I'm so passionate about it. Because it's not an easy question. Like, you see this beautiful little puppy in a pet store in your heart strings. Anyone take in save that dog but pouring money into this industry? Just keeps those pet. The parents in this prison where the conditions are really cruel. They are in cages their entire lives. They don't get medical care. They don't trust humans because they don't really interact with humans. They're essentially breeding machines. It's it's they view these animals much the same way that they would view, you know, frankly beat breeding animals for food the heartbreaking, it's hard to even here. But it's good. I mean, it's important, and I didn't know about any of this when I got Ella. But because of ally started to learn more ask. Because I understood no from the project that I was there to photograph. Why I was there and where she came from and through the process of talking to that shelter about bringing her home. I started I started to learn what a puppy mill was in. And I didn't really think much about it. We just, you know, went on our way and that was the beginning, and it was hard. And she wanted nothing to do with me. And she was really sick in. You know, we kind of just like so in my early twenties they put everything on a credit card, and it was like I worry about later. This is worth it. So you to get her healthy in it took it took a few years before we really bonded, actually, which is so interesting because now she's a bitterly, my soul mate. And I can't imagine not having the closeness that I have with her. But it took her a few years to really get interested in humans and dogs. And to put it in context, if you've lived in a cage your whole life, if you think about any animal, even including humans. There's all these developmental phases. We go through. Through as we go through infancy and toddlers and becoming an adult and in visit all these key socialization phases for dogs in if they miss them because they're caged. They just don't have those skills. So she just didn't simply not only was she afraid. She simply lacked the context for which socialization existed, and I always kind of tried to keep that in mind. What after a vet explain that to me when I was like what's wrong with my dog. She doesn't love me. Helping takes a really it takes probably someone to who has the patience to understand that this is going to be a long road. And they're good things ahead. If you stick with it because I think probably a lot of people in your position would just fill really defeated. I think you know. It's funny. I think I did field. If he didn't I think that things, you know, everything happens for a reason to think that had I not had Louis who is like this few sive just like ball of love who like bugged me chew much and would never leave my side. I think it would have been harder for me. Because I I did have a dog who is sort of giving me what I needed in terms of that that kind of attention and energy and playfulness affection. It didn't bother me as much a kind of was just like as she does her own thing. But like she's my dog. You know, we're in it together. Right. I was just gonna say, but for the more recent rescues that I've done in the past two years, which will we'll talk about soon. Yes. I definitely went into it with a much different attitude, and you have to. Really know that you're in it for the long haul because you're doing it for a greater good. So fast forward is living in Washington DC living in working machine in DC, which is where I'm from. And I had really in ELA with me in L Ellinora getting closer. She's getting more comfortable, but she still really struggled with new people and other dogs in just wasn't comfortable outside of the home. It took a really long time in actually really didn't start coming out of her shell until we moved to New York. And I think it was because when I moved to New York, I moved here with like a few suitcases Ella and Louis seen with my parents because staying in an apartment that wasn't dog friendly and L doesn't bark and she's so teeny tiny that she dislike fit in a bag. And so she was like the hidden secret dog. And so we ended up with like eight months where it was really just the two of us. And that was that was the turning point in that's now nine years ago. So I think that all that time alone together just was a game changer. And I think, you know, meant to be New York, I think it just like she she came out of her shell loved walking on the street, you know, strangers would stop in one of header, and she got really into it. She started getting this really bubbly personality that I had never seen before. I mean, I've seen her in like social situations where I think sometimes the little bit overwhelming. But do you feel like she's just at home in New York where it's like she's walking down the street? She feels like oh, yeah. This is home. Yeah. I think she does. And I think that she now is a comfortable and confident enough dog that those kinds of situations don't face her. And I think that gradually as the social as Instagram platform grew shot, more more followers. We ended up sort of being asked to attend warm word events where we were in really. Public very big social settings overtime. It just became the new normal to her. We were actually just in Austin for south by southwest in any she was rolling amount of parties in like, totally unfazed. She just wanted to say, hi and get some snacks. That's so great. So cute in lovable. It's like hard to not just wanna come right up to her in putting everything. Okay. So I really wanna get into. 'cause I remember you telling me all about coconut. And we I think breakfast, and you were like I've got to tell you this crazy story. So I don't want to take away from any of that. So tell me the story of or tell everyone else here the story of how that came about. And it was totally unplanned as well, all my dogs have been totally unplanned, except for Louie, I think that you know, one thing that's really cool about rescue is kind of have to like open yourself up to the the right dog will kind of show up at the right time. And it was really funny 'cause I had known I wanted to get another dog, and it was sort of on my raider. But I had all of these criteria. I wanted it to be a female. I wanted it to be under five years old because I had to senior dogs already. I wanted it to be under five pounds because I want. To be someone that I kind of bring around with me like I do with Ella in. That's a lot of criteria for rescue like. But the funny thing is is it all worked out. I ended up with this Choya who's actually she's three and a half pounds, and she's horrible, and she's friendly, and she social unloving Emad actually all came about through social media. You know, one of the fun things about social media. And I'm sure you can attest to the stewards. People you meet through the internet end up becoming off-line real life, friends and support network N one of my Instagram turned Rigo life friends is is very involved in the Chihuahua community specifically and one of her followers messaged her about a dog that needed to be rehome due to medical issues that the current home. Current owner was not able to financially deal with the type of medical issues that this dog had and my friends knew about all of my like, my long list of criteria that had for dog that I would wanna bring in my home. And she's like, hey, I found the stock. I don't know if this is. Anything you'd be interested in. But you should check it out. And she sent me this photo. And it wasn't like not a flattering Soto in. I'm not particularly like into chihuahuas. But I just again kinda saw her like, yeah. That's my dog down. So we ended up connecting directly with the owner end we consider rehoming rescue because you're taking a dog who has needs that can't be met at the current home in. Yes. Taking her on in coconut was actually purchased from a local pet store, which actually means that she came from puppy mill, and the former owner gave us all of her paperwork in I handed it to my friends, I work closely with the humane society as part of their stop puppymills campaign with you may generation which is their next generation so anthropic committee, and we focus on puppy mills, and a handed the my contact their who's one of the most educated people on puppy mills that I know her paperwork in he like showed me everything how to break it down turns out coke. Peanut was from one of the worst puppymills. Humane society maintains the list called the hor- horrible hundred and you can Google that in it will bring up that list of a puppy mills, and coconut was actually from one of those while though, unfortunately, you know, aside from lack of socialization and just general abuse and neglect. The other thing that happens in puppy mills is that they're breeding for profit celebrating to have the tiniest dogs. The cutest dogs in they're not interested in the health of the dog. You get a lot of genetic issues that get passed down in some of these are terrible life threatening things in some of these are in coke lake and coconuts case fixable, but a lot of work to fix in coconuts case, she had which is really common in chihuahuas. But hers was particularly bad. She had knee issues that were so bad that her kneecap on one of her knee back knees was actually all the way out of her of its socket. Couldn't really use that leg at all in. The other leg was mostly out of the socket. So she really couldn't use your back legs in funding issue so lopsided like her. But with so Kini tiny in her front with like, huge massive and muscular, she's using her front to to sustain all rate in no talking about things that are dislike meant to be. We bring the dog home. It's very clear. She's in a lot of pain. I connected with my friends at the humane society of the United States. They connected me with the humane society of New York in this to actually very different groups, the humane society of the United States is a Bob being legislative awareness organization humane cited New York, actually as a shelter, and they have a of that clinic as part of what they do. And it turns out that at the humane society of New York, there's a visiting orthopedic two comes three or four times a year for like a week and a half at a time in it happened to be like her second last day the next day, and they were like, okay. Well, if you come in at seven am tomorrow shall see you and I'm like done will. Absolutely be there and Sony on my show up in they do x-rays in show me everything that's wrong with coconut. And she's like, I can get the surgery done today for you. And I'm like, I just met this dog. I don't even know who this dog is like we don't have relationship. But okay, she's acting she'd been with us maybe a week or ten days for him saga over to get pretty serious knee surgery and asserting to get like oh gosh. Like, we take on known other like a pretty big financial burden here. And what was hilarious L A does have a manager for her business? The business side of of what we do her manager reached out that day with an opportunity that I'm not kidding you with the exact amount of the surgery in that moment. I was just like this is my dog. This is meant to be so meant to be. Yeah, we're here to do this together. And then when I came back to pick her up from from surgery, and again, she didn't really know me. I didn't really know her. But she was like stretching. From the nurses arms to get to me, even though she was like all loopy in post dot, and so she had already I think found a safe place with us at about so much. I didn't know that part of the story. Yeah. She's such a sweet Earl, but I did know about like the vet that was leaving in surgery in the campaign that came in all of those things like that's what we call tender mercies, whatever you call it. It's it's undeniable that it was all meant to be. So it's really I mean, I would say all of my dogs, my rescues in particular have come to me at the exact right time when I needed them to and I didn't know what I needed and that I try to always remember that in carry that with me, you know, that's so beautiful. Okay. So we so I wanna talk a little bit about the bond between how how was that with three dogs at that point? So when coconut was in pain, Ella and Louis were pretty indifferent. To her. I think when an animal's pain. It's just it's that's animal instinct is like your they're not hard of your pack. Choose also new and and we fostered a handful dogs before. And we also babysat a lot of our friends dogs. So I think Louis L or just like waiting for her to leave. I think they didn't understand to sticking around. But a few months after her first surgery, and we were doing physical therapy with her after the surgery because I mean as I mentioned she so unbalanced in her chest. It wasn't just the leg at that point that needed strengthening her whole body was off base a needed to be worked on. So a few months after that first surgery when she'd sort of being strength one day were all laying in bed in all of a sudden coconut in eligible going after each other. And it was it was tense, but they weren't hurting each other and knowing we're like, we're gonna stay out of it. And they were clearly like it was very clearly who was going to be set. It was like the first. Hmm they had kind of interacted in this way of who is going to be the alpha dog between them the rest, Shing themselves as pack mates. And that's what happens you need to know. Who's who's boss? I wrote my husband known looking for like who do we brew four? Like, this is weird. But we let we let them do their thing. We video up it. It was intended went on for like thirty forty minutes. And just when we thought coconut may have, you know, had the leg issues like she's so much younger than Ella in L alike may have had not had age on her side. But man, she was not giving up like she was just choose determined to win an after a few times where Ella got coconut pinned her down. Coconut finally gave in after that was so funny they've been best friends ever since and they cuddled together every night, and they go like they both at ten pm on the nose. If no one are sitting in the living room watching TV, they leave the living room in walkup. Global doggy stairs take themselves to bet. Wow. It's they do it together. It's the funniest thing. So they stir our best DS. It's so cute. Oh, I didn't know that about them. You don't so fun. And I can totally picture like all of that going down where it's like. Okay. Who's boss here? Yeah. And I'm really glad we stayed out of it. Because I mean, we were watching the nature didn't escalate, you know. But I you know, I'd also watched Ellen Louis play for years. And I knew that ele. I I knew I could trust. I was really watching coconut and coconut is the nicest dog ever. There was nothing happening. That was really scary. It was just you know, let's let this play out in see where it goes. And I'm so glad we did because they came away immediately. And we're best Fritz animals are amazing because they don't carry any lake resentment or rage. Like, I I don't think they ever are should say. I know they never thought about it again. Which is like, okay, that's a stylish done. Check that off the list we or maybe something to learn from them without. Yeah. Yes. That's so funny. Okay. So now, let's talk about fee for second beefy is our. Beefy is just this has been this has been our hardest rescue for a lot of reasons. A had a terrible life changing injury in January of twenty eighteen that resulted in multiple multiple surgeries in order to repair my arm. So I was mostly working from home because I was in so much pain in commuting was difficult for me in. I couldn't pick up a laptop actually almost a year ago. Now, my husband my saw this little dog on a a rescue organization that we work on their Instagram and idea that Tim was like we should in. They were looking for a foster in Mike, we should foster an I I should tell you like I do this to know out like maybe ten times a week. I'll send him a dog and be like, we should officer. And he almost never says. Yes. And for some reason, he is like, yeah. Let's do it. And you know, then I said to know like I of Broadway tickets night. So if you wanna do is foster if you're serious about this. You're gonna have to go. Pick her up, and I expected, but at that point he'd be like, no, I'm out. He was like yet. I'll go get her. And so I came home from this Broadway show. And there was this mangy skinny terrified animal Noah had gotten her into the crate, you couldn't touch her. I mean, I've never this was my third time. Rescuing I had never experienced this level of of trauma in an animal before. And it was it was horrible. I mean, she was when she would let us touch her. She was just skin and bones. She at a healthy weight. Now is a little over six pounds. When we got her. She weighed in about three pounds to give you a sense of how starving out like how starved she was. It was it was awful her hair was matted and clearly very tangled. There was no way could brush her. She she was aggressive. She would bite chewed fear by it's called fear aggression, and she was actually terrifying for such animal, and she's gotten me pretty hard. If you times she's drawn. But she's not messing around. She's really defending herself. And she had intentional looking cuts in our ears that look like they were from razor blade. I mean, it was it was the most extreme abuse that I have ever personally broadens might home. All the other dogs. We fostered have been relatively easy in good natured, you know, aside from a few accidents. It's been like easygoing, and she's also a tremendous amount of pain. We believe still at this point. We believe it was a neck injury probably most likely from abuse or falling downstairs or something. But she she was howling in pain. It was it was really upsetting in. That was the hardest part at the beginning was just how upsetting it was. How did the other dogs deal without too? So we kept her very separate on because of the neck injury. The vet head that the rescue organization worked with had put her on crate rest in strict. So we kept her. Either in her crate, or we had dated off one of our bathrooms, and for those of you who not York to have a second bathroom is the ultimate luxury end to give that second bathroom up to him Galaktion, Sophie, hetero, bedroom, which was hilarious. And that was where she spent most of her time. So she really didn't interact with the dogs at all at the beginning. Because she she was just in terrible shape. And it it it took a very long time. So you meanwhile, I'm recovering from this terrible injury and dealing with my own excessive amounts of pain that I was in those dealing major nerve damage, and then her vet put her on the same nerve medication that I was taking gabum Penton is it's a non narcotic medication that works on on pain, a nerve pain specifically fifty on the same one. Again. I was like, well, we're taking the same beds. We'll sit here in healed together. And an over March say may she did she started to trust us? She started hitting act a little bit more. There was a lot of limitations to that. So everything had to be on her terms. She had come to you. You couldn't really Petr for more than a few seconds at a time. You had to be extremely careful not to kind of violate her boundaries. And we were I had had I had an unexpected mice. Second surgery was unexpected. And it was it was quite urging and a friend to who's a Saint took care of her for for the night that I was in the hospital after that unexpected surgery, but we were planning on going on vacation a few weeks later in. We like what do we do with the dog? Who's like, basically a monster? Who will literally try kill you. If you deal with her wrong or look at her wrong. And so we at this point knew we were foster failing. And so I contacted the rescue organization, and they had not put her up for adoption yet because of the veterinary limitations like so statistically rescue will not adopt out a dog that is inactive hair for a medical acute medical issue. They'll wait until that dog has gone through all betting in his healthy in ready to be placed in its forever home. So she hadn't been put up for adoption yet. But I reached out to you organization at the time and said, I think this is it I think we're going to keep her if like we'd like to apply to keep her if that's. Okay. When they're like will you can apply. You know, what I love about this organization is it didn't matter that we had Alabama and the social Instagram platform they treated us like anyone else. Like, we went through the very long application. We had phone conversations with them. They had from conversations with our vets. It was a really intense process. An ultimately the best interest of the Doug Young. Yes. And ultimately when they they said, we were approved as a doctors I said, I'm happy to take on the medical expenses. If you're you're open to adopting her now and kind of explain that we were going on vacation than what my goal was to find a trainer that we could do aboard and train with I had no expectations about obedience training. But I was hopeful that we could get her. I needed help to get her to a point where I could understand the triggers and where we could do a better job and have a professional supply. Port in helping to modify her behavior. So that way she could live more socially with us in also be happier. Like, she one thing. I've learned about this dog. She doesn't wanna buy she's she's afraid like some she has trauma in it gets triggered and she reacts. And so we found this amazing trainer zen dog who still work with. And she's just amazing on we we left fi fi there for like two and a half weeks in came back, and it was a game changer for us. We had not told anyone that we were keeping the dog. Anyone like we had told no one that we had signed adoption papers mostly because four dogs was insane. And I also have a slight terrible injury had all these surgeries that were happening left, and right, and you live in New York City Hanoi, depending here, I mean, it was ridiculous. But we were we were just totally in love with her and we'd come so far with her. And she she was not cool with other people at the time. So it, you know. Not that she couldn't have bonded with someone else sanctuary. She could have. But it was the right move for us. We were the right home for her. And I really felt this kind of kinship with her because her progress kind of whizzes slow as my progress from a healing point of view. And we were kind of in it together, we were taking the same meds. We were kind of going through the same stuff with doctors in the same setbacks, and I just felt really connected to her in that way. And it's been like I said almost a year now, and we. Finally in January in actually just posted about this to quite a bit of controversy. We decided to try medications doggy Prozac, and what that was a really hard decision for me because I've never put animal on on a medication like that before. And ultimately what made me come to that decision was it's not for me. I don't care about being bitten like she can't rip off my hands. She's six pound dog. But she she herself was unhappy and fearful and after speaking with our trainer with our vet. What was what became has become very clear with the last year is things will trigger her things that we don't even expect in. They will bring her back to this place where she is utterly traumatized immense. She reacts, and she has no control over it in the idea behind the medication was to relieve her of that level of exile in fear. So that way she could process things in a healthier way. And I don't know if. We'll keep her on it forever. Mean we've tried everything training behavior. Modification CBD oil your name it. We have tried it into. This was really I felt we had exhausted. Every option before we went this route in as much progress as she had made should really plateaued. And and I think that the biggest thing I learned about rescue from TV as that you have to make hard decisions that benefit someone else. Even if you're not comfortable with them like it is not about me. It was about finding helping her find a place where she is. She's happy in not anxious moving the Beth life. She possibly can. Yeah. Exactly in. It's been about six or seven weeks since we started the drug in its it is night and day. We haven't we actually hadn't seen our trainer yet this year. I wanted her to get the medication going before. We we tried another training session in our trainer actually came over yesterday evening, and she turned to me one point. It's almost like training normal dog. And I I started crying because. Could see feel like processing information the way that a normal Dogwood. She was starting to really understand what was being asked of her and without any desire to excited. She's playing she's wagging her tail it. It's been. To see her come from where she was to where she is today. She cuddles she shouldn't really give kisses still that's not her thing. But she's a happy dog. And what's the best part is no it's funny about hers, her crankiness in anger has become it's definitely part of her personality and her online persona, but is and as happy as she is as much as you know, the medication in all the stuff we've done has worked wonders, she is still a grump like she will choose. She's not a morning person. She will growl at you in the morning. Here. You know? How right. Yeah. Yeah. Bad Guelfi is the hashtag we use for her. And she totally is like, she's she has got an attitude that is a hundred pounds terrorist six pounds and she's an inspiration. I mean, she's she's overcome serious trauma that human animal like none of us should have to ever suffer the way that that she suffered. And she's now playing with toys and cuddling in you know, I'm so proud of the stock. I it's been she's she's an inspiration. And I wanted to read you actually got a message from someone today for all of the negative feedback. We got about putting her on medicine. One of the things I posted was the moral of the story is don't be afraid to ask for help. If you need it in VP all of us. And someone message me and said this hit so close to home this week. I've recently sought out help for emotional distress. In the last week has been rough fees in story story is inspiring. That's. Really cool. Yeah. And you know, I think that's just one of the incredible messages we've gotten we haven't talked that much yet about how. How much we've we raise a lot of refund as a lot for you. I really wanna get into that. And how his I'm really passionate about that to feel like there's so much out. There about social media's evil social media as depressing everyone social media's bad, blah, blah yet. Let's talk about some of the good that you've as have done, you know, with awareness with a because like going back to the puppy mill theme. I remember in two thousand eight going to fashion island, which is like one of the really popular big malls here like a shopping mall. It's an outdoor mall. It's beautiful. It's in Newport Beach, and they had a puppy store, their puppy. What do you call it at store that sold got store, and they always had these cute little puppies. And it was like I'd walk in and out of there and kind of be like like daydream about like, oh, it'd be so fun to take one of these home. And it wasn't a good time of life for me to have a dog. But I just didn't even realize there was something so wrong with that. I mean, that's not there anymore. And it's not there anymore. They've taken it. You know, that's gone. And I don't think this community like Orange County is very like anti puppy mill now, but that, you know, eleven years ago that was just a thing that I didn't even think twice about it. None of us did. And I mean, I certainly didn't know at the time. And actually, you know, I applaud California California is one of the few states that has actually banned the sale of commercially bred pets in stores, and if pet stores are selling animals they have to come from rescue. So. Yeah, california. A handful of other states in we're actually working with you main society, I'm legislation for that to be true for New York as well. And we're we're hopeful because California Chicago, I'm spacing on some of the other cities. But like New York doesn't have this kind of legislation yet. Like, what's shocking? Yeah. Nigga culture there. Exactly. So it's it's a little confusing and to your earlier point. Everyone's like social media's bad it makes you feel bad about yourself. And I always say this. We have raised tens of thousands of dollars to support antipope maliciously to support shelters to support specific animals in need. We get messages not unlike the one I just shared, but we get messages all the time your platform inspired us, and we went to the shelter this past weekend in here's a picture of us with our family and our new dog. You inspired me to rescue a friend of mine was going to buy a pet from pet store in I intervened and showed them your platform in your message in some of your content that you've created around this in. They didn't do it. We've made a difference in the lives of animals in. We've made a difference in the lives of the people who have taken home animals in completed their families or added to their families never complete always add more dogs. But I think whenever anyone says that team, and I'm like, we'll depends where you look, you know, there's so much good. You can do with it. And if you use it being what are you consume? Yeah. What are you supporting? Yeah. You choose you can shoot the best part about social media as you can choose what you engage with. And you couldn't unfold peop-. Anyone who makes you feel bad about yourself? Anyone who's negative anyone who puts energy into your life isn't good for you. You don't have to follow them in. You have to be strong enough and adult enough to make those choices and you can choose to. Engage. Just the positivity in for me, at least I have my personal, you know, channel. Obviously where I follow a lot more people related to work in all of that. But then, you know, my dogs my dogs platform whenever I log on like, it's just all literally like puppies and bloggers who I'm friends with. So it's fantastic. Let's shutout her. Agrement right now. So or you're all I guess it's kind of all the coconut and girls now. Yeah, I think we're trying to decide if we're gonna actually rebrand as like a new handle that copen compasses all of them. But even gotten there yet. But for now, it's at el-abidine the dog in its E L L A. And being like jelly bean and the dog and you'll find us. So tell me a little bit of like why that how that even came about. We talked about it offline just a second ago before the interview started, but tell us like how where that even came from where he got the inspiration to put that together. Yes. So I was inspired to create Ellas account because you know, I I think it's almost five years old, and when Instagram was sort of rising up in all of these Instagram famous, you know, bloggers influencers Rishard a coming to to be there is like cliches of Instagram where you would see bloggers who had have macaroni or gluttony art. And it was all like, you know, it was the beginning of like, the Instagram -able restaurant or the Instagram -able this on Instagram -able food, and I thought it would be really cute and funny to replace a blogger with a white fluffy dog and turns out that that worked and Ireland thought that that's what it was. I dislike thought it was fun. I had like a little personal goal of like, I'm gonna get five thousand dollars. That was all I like really didn't think about it beyond. That was not something I took seriously. And what I learned about myself as a there's I can't do anything without taking it seriously because it ended up becoming very serious and be that the moment I had five thousand followers ten thousand followers in that happened very quickly because Instagram five years ago was very different place than it is today. I learned that I could talk about where Ella came from. In addition to all of the cute fund fashion stuff help raise awareness in. That was a total lightbulb moment for me. I had no clue that I could use this platform in this in this really positive way in simultaneously with the work that I did at shock style. I was working on the retailer side of the shop style business on the consumer side. If you go to shops dot com, that's the consumer side of the business, but we were launched like our. Influence your business that side of the business was growing rapidly. And I found that the more followers. Ella got more. I would like stick my nose in and be like, you know, if someone asked me to do about with my platform, I'm not sure it'd be comfortable or I was of if we did XYZ someone gave me that opportunity for my platform, and is able to kind of come to it with that lens of having a social platform and over time it ended up hitting my entire career. And I got the opportunity to leave that influence or business in. So that's what I've been doing for now the past two and a half years. So ultimately, I would say Ella. Not only changed my life in introduced me to this world of hitting and raising awareness, and fundraising and helping animals find homes, but also completely changed the path of my career. So when I say L A changed my life. It is in every aspect. I wouldn't know you if I hadn't, you know, changed my career in moved in this direction, so many. Of my real life. Friends are are because of ultimately can all trace it back to to this to Elian while into your selflessness being willing to take someone else on to, you know, take this little dog in love her and give her a better life. So, you know, it's it's funny. Whenever people frame it like that to me. I always feel assoc I about if I might what else would you do. If you're presented with this animal who needs you like what what other choices there? But I do. Yes. I intellectually understand there's a lot to take on an as I said at the beginning of this. I have personally chosen to take on three dogs that were difficult in the last one being the most difficult. There are so many easy fun loving dogs who need homes, so I would love to talk about that. Let's segway into that. And talk about how if if there's like, a mom that's listening to this thinking like I've been thinking about getting a dog from my family, but you know, the the spectrum is really hard. To figure out like where where can I safely land in a place where it will be good for my kids? So that we could for my family, or you know, 'cause obviously like a fee would not be good for my family with three little girls. You know? Yeah. And I'm sure girls would think she's the cutest thing ever, which is thing that scares me the most about her and also one of the reasons we wanted to to kind of be serious about her behavior. Modification? Anyway, I think that the it if I was a mom, and I had kids and I wanted to rescue dog I would start with my local shelter. If there wasn't any animals are that felt like they were right for me and my family. That's no big deal. That's the beauty of social media. So get on social media followed. There's around any urban area. You're always gonna find a ton of rescue organizations that are doing great work. Make sure that they're pulling from shelters in New York. A lot of shelters will bring in dogs from California because California has a plethora of tiny dogs. That need homes and New Yorkers want tiny dog civilian like the organization, I got fee from they'll bring dogs from California Viki actually came from animal animal care centers of New York, which is the public shelter. That's for social got her. So don't rule anywhere out. They get puppies. All the time. Do you sent just do some research and find your local rescue groups are in your local shelters are New York has a ton most areas have at least a handful so wherever closest urban areas it's going to be easier for you to find an end to drill a little deeper on that a lot of families want a non shedding dog in. That's when things they here. The most in it's the number one reason I hear people like I can't rescue because I want on shutting dog the only rescue. I have that sheds is coconut it's because she's a short haired Shola fi Annella, do not shed. You can absolutely rescue your keys who toll mixes, your key mixes, any kind of mix, and you can you can get these dogs that simply just don't shed. You just have to be open to to looking for end waiting. If you want a puppy if. You want a specific breed if you're willing to be patient. You can totally find that to help us Ed like educate me on like, what is that something you call the shelter and say this is what I'm looking forward. You kinda just watch for it. Is it okay to ask questions when you go to you know, what I mean like an what question can be asking. I think Eskin questions is always a wonderful thing. And I think that it's it's hard because if you're someone who works in a shelter in your maybe a little jaded you've seen a lot of animal abuse. You know, sometimes I know even in the work that I do in like another person wants to doodle, and like, the I've I love doodles are gorgeous. And there's actually a great just to say, there's a great doodle rescue group on Facebook. If you're interested in rescuing doodle, but there are one of the interesting things is they've become so popular, but they're in shelters and rescue organizations everywhere because people often will either buy or get dogs from wherever. And then realize this is like real living thing, and it's working. I I can't. And so anything you want a need you can find. It's just about patients. So I think yes, you can call and save preferences. But I think the best thing to do is go to all of your local rescue organizations and become a pre approved a doctor that way ran dog comes off that you're interested in. You're like I am approved to adopt, and you can raise your hand and say, I'm pre approved. I like to apply for the stock. And you do that online. You do at the local shelter or how everyone so every organization has different typically shelters that actually have dogs in the shelter on you do it on site and typically rescue organizations that function through foster which Associes is one of those. They don't they have a small to syllabi, but most of the dogs, they'll take dogs those dogs gonna fosters and in the fosters and social -ties help place these dogs in forever homes with people who are looking for them. It's really I mean very rooted in social media. I think it depends on the specific organizations. It's always good to call or Email and reach out and find out how you can become unapproved doctor and just have that if you don't have kids fostering, a great way to get involved with the rescue organizations that we can build a relationship with them and test out having a dog not have a fulltime dog on have a dog for a few weeks in the not have a dog. If you're someone who travels a lot, but it might be you. Don't have kids. So the kids won't get attached. Or I well, I said bet and I'm realizing I don't actually think that if you have kids and you want to foster I think it's just about being really clear upfront about that with the rescue organization because not not every dog has been tested around kids before they may get to you in terms of seat the, but that doesn't mean that they're not safe. So as long as you're up front with the the organization that you're working with like, I have kids. I just wanna make sure that like this dog is fit. You know? I don't have experienced this because I don't have kids, but I'm absolutely sure most rich rescue organizations with work with you. Because it's also a bonus. If if you're not going to keep the dog to be able to advertise talk and say this dog is great with kids. The star would be a great family pet. It's going to help dog find a home that much sooner. But even if you can't foster just volunteering at your local shelters, helping donating money or donating a lot of shelters in rescue organizations have Amazon wishlists getting. Involved in any capacity in showing that you're interested in helping form relationship between yourself and not organization on we'll make it easier to get yourself approved doesn't adopter. And then also make it easier when you are ready to pull the trigger in you find the perfect dog. Okay, that's super helpful. So if so let's go back into this narrow though like say, I'm a mom, and I'm like, this is the type of dog that I want and we make our wishlist in the we're kind of watching. And then you go to meet the dog, like what are some of the things that you think like that you wish you maybe not even that you wish you would have known, but you would advise a good friend like when you go, you know, maybe pay attention to this or fill this out or ask about that. Like, what are some of the things that people? Maybe wouldn't even think of if it's there. This where I think that actually the rescue organizations and shelters are awesome. Is that they're going to help you like, generally speaking? They're gonna ask you about yourself in your life in how your life works. And they're gonna point you in the direction of like, the these are the dogs that we feel would be a good fit for you here. The reasons why any for rescue organization is not providing that kind of guidance. I would be wary of them. I think that unfortunately, not all rescues are perfect either. And it's such a gray area. But I think a good rescue organization is looking for the best homes for those individuals in that's to come back to your earlier point why that application process for fifty was so long as because they cared. So deeply about making sure that their animals are in the right homes. And that's what you should be looking for these people if the people should care, and they're gonna then help guide you toward an animal. That's right for you. In terms of. Things to look out for in ask about, you know, always ask if the animals had history has any history of aggression that you're aware of should always be asked. It's not a deal breaker for all people. I mean, obviously, I took that on. But it's something you do need to know if you're getting it's it's helpful to know if you're getting into that. But you're getting into it to to prepare most all rescue organizations in shelters will make sure that the dog is up to date on any shots. Ask what's included in the rescue often. Some organizations will include like comeback for a dental is the dog is too young to be spayed or neutered. They'll help arrange that for you at a later date. You know, things like that are really really important to ask about. But I think the number one question is is this the right dog for me in my lifestyle is this dog business dog meat a lot of exercise. Can I meet his exercise needs does the dog fit into my home life in terms of size to travel a lot in? Whereas the dog gonna go when I'm traveling just I mean, it's a lot of the same questions that you'd ask if you were buying a dog from a breeder Frank. Kley? It's it's if you're going to bring a life into your home, are you a quip to take care of it in all of that goes with it. Okay. So let's talk about breeders for second. Because I know that this is like good better best. And obviously like best case scenario is every dog out there that is in a shelter is getting adopted. But I know you, and I talked one time about how you said, it's maybe not the best fit for every single family. So if people are going the breeder route like how can they be careful about making sure they're supporting really, good breeders. Like, I know you talked a little bit about that in the beginning. And you know, so much of this is new to me. And so many people are gonna listen to this, and and probably feel kinda bad like, oh, we didn't rescue our dog like before you ever had a conversation about any of this. We bought Winnie from a really reputable breeder, and that breeder has contacted me many times how she doing send me a picture, you know. So I. So I just want to say like, I don't I don't think that anyone should feel bad about the decisions that they've made it in the past. I think that you can't you know, we cannot change the past. All we can do is. No what we know now and make different decisions in the future and getting a dog from a breeder like you got many from. I don't think his anything to have any shame around. I think about if you're going to buy a dog. That's the right way to do it. The first thing to know, his no, no, no reputable breeder will ever sell their pets through a pet store. K? Just does not happen. Like, you cannot get a not a puppy from a purebred puppy from quote, unquote, breeder at a pet store, it doesn't exist. They are putting mills on like ninety nine point nine nine percent. You know, leave a little margin of error. And then, you know, if your local pet store is advertising that they're selling rescues do your do diligence and make sure find out where the dogs are coming from. No, reputable breeder will sell it online. You should not be able to to order a dog like a pair of shoes should be mutual. You should be able to come. You should have to meet the breeder in person never meet them like halfway between like a lot of breeders. We'll be like, oh, like meet me on this rest. Stop on this highway will give you the dog and give us money. That's that's shady, and that's actually a hallmark of puppymills backyard breeders, which are like the sort of people who are doing one off breeding to make profit that are still kind of shady in. And there's a lot of I just wouldn't go that route there. So those are the two main things if you take away nothing else no pet stores and no ordering your Doug online K baseline. Both really helpful. Somebody said to me once. Maybe it was even you that if there's something with like a ton of pictures of like puppies. But there's no pictures of the mom or dad or where they live than not kind of also a telltale sign that. It's probably chilly stuff going on in the background. Exactly. So let's see do you make it to breeders house and everything looks on up and up, but it's just all puppies. And there's no adults. That's a red flag. There should a good breeder should always have a few old hanging around. You should be able to meet the mom and see where the dogs live in where they sleep. You might not always be able to meet the dad because especially when you get into like really serious show breeding and people who are very serious about bloodlines. They will they'll there's ways that they will breed their dogs that don't include the father being site. I'll just leave it at that. So, but you want to always be able to meet the mother. Okay. I generally think a waiting list is a good thing. News someone because breeders shouldn't have litters that often really good ones. Like, so I have a friend just got a dog and was on a year and a half, wait lists. And I was like that's a good thing. I love this. So I think that those are good signs. It's not a deal breaker if the other criteria are met. But I think it's a great thing in in. It's it's okay to wait. You know, it's it's a big deal to bring in an animal into your home. How often is like somewhat healthy. Do you think that a you know that they would be saying like this is about how often a year our dog is humming? I mean, it's so dependent on how many moms they have. They probably like I'd you know, they probably people who are wonderful who have ten or fifteen. Mom's onsite who were like wonderful, respectful animal lovers who are incredible people. So I don't really want to give a number. I think, you know, use your gut instinct and be honest like. Does this person seem like they are in it for the right reasons, they love animals, do they love dogs. Do they love this dog? How do they interact with the dogs when you meet them, we when when we got my very first childhood dog when things remembers my father, and I drove out to this lake amazing farm where this woman was breeding these dogs, and we met her, and I fell in love with this puppy. We decided to take the puppy, and she's like, okay. Like he I need to get him to the vet today. Like this X round of shots before he can come home. And then I went to like bay them and get them ready for you. And then I'm gonna drive him in bring him GIO. And I remember that really clearly service like Jim really cared about where the dog was going in. I think that if I would say third thing so three things remember no pet stores. No shopping online in does this person really care about their animals. Do you feel good about it? Do you feel good about giving them money don't ever buy dog because you feel bad because this person is bad? The situation is bad. And I wanna get this cute little puppy out of it. Because you are then it's so hard. Not walkway. But you're feeding into the problem. You're funding the problem. So you know, you have to use your intellect not your heart. And no like, okay, I'm giving my money to a person I can get behind. Okay. That's really really hopeful. What else can people do as far as like, maybe they're not in a position right now to take on a dog or their families and looking for one, but they they wanna be help with the solution. I think that spreading the message about not buying from pet stores is one of the big things that I love when I get messages from people saying, none of my friends and family knew this about pet stores, and we always used to go in like play with the dogs on against Kamal. And now we don't anymore. You know, so spread the word tell everyone, you know, don't buy from a pet store. Don't order a pet online. It's bad. That's the number one thing you can do in. It doesn't cost any money. And it doesn't, you know, you don't have to do anything more than just talk to your friends who you do this. So in a way that isn't shaming because I remember when we bone. We. But when he from a breeder and brought her home, I thought I was flooded with angry messages from angry people who were like this is so wrong. This is so bad. There's so many dogs that need to be adopted. What are you thinking? And I was kind of like, oh, I didn't know this was like such a hot button. I mean until I did that and made a public display of it. I just didn't even realize there were so many people that would be angry about that. How can you do that in a way that isn't like shaming people like like in a positive way of like, hey, let's get better. This is how we can. Yeah. I think it's exactly that. It's I think the quest. It's it's posing a question. Right. Did you know where these dogs come from? I didn't know this before. Now, I do and I'm sharing it with you. Because I want to be part of the solution is a lot different than there's a million dogs that need homes, and I can't believe you about a dog. I mean, I don't think that the ladder is helpful at all. I think it is so much better to say, I didn't know this then. And I learned this. And here's how it affected the chain betrays that I make I wanted to share that with you because I know that you wouldn't want to contribute to any animal cruelty. I think that's a much better way to talk about it. Okay. And I love that. That's really hopeful. And I think that like, look, you know, this that's internet the internet. We have inbox full of messages about my dog being on Prozac that are a little. Off basin and sort of neglected take into account the amount of time and effort and other things we've done we didn't just it wasn't a decision taken lightly because people don't they can't see the full picture. The I don't know what's happening behind the scenes in everything that you've tried and all the things you guys have been through in the best efforts give this dog the happiest life. And I think that that's that's the thing. You also always have to remember is you don't know where someone is coming from. And what their experiences again of someone who had the experience of growing up in their family. Only about drugs from pet stores like mine only bought dogs from these life youthful, wonderful breeders might even know this world existed. You're sharing something that's probably hard for them to take. And I think that being empathetic to that that this is like it's hard information to take right? Like, I walk by pet stores still in. Yes. Like a I'm horrified. But I see those puppies. I love dogs. I love animals it pulls my heartstrings. I understand how hard it is to walk away in always kind of approaching people with that empathy. It did you know? I think is the way I try and approach it. Okay. I think that's something that everyone can think about okay. How can we frame this? So that it's a softer approach to kinder approach. So that it's doing more good. Yeah. You always wanted to come from a positive place. Yes. Oh, that's I love that. Okay. What do you think? What's at risk? If we don't do something about this. What do you think? Like, what's the thing that people who are really passionate about rescue and about this? Topic? Like, what are you guys most worried about I think that to be a realist, there's no endgame here. There's no world that shelter in rescue doesn't exist. Right. Like, there's just always going to be a need for rehoming dogs or in. Oh animals, and I think so I don't think it's realistic to say, I don't want shelters to exist a rescue to exist. I want every dog to, you know, come from a wonderful place in no one to using dogs. I think that the thing that's at risk is. I actually like to think about it on a micro level of every job that you see in a pet store a mother behind that dog that lives in a cage that has never been pet or played with or gotten proper medical care in that dog is probably in physical pain, and every dollar that you give to the industry contributes to keeping that animal in pain. And then when you take it away from that one dog and use zoom out any look at that at scale to me, that's the thing. I most passionate about is like to make the industry is small. As possible to remove the demand is the best thing we can possibly do. And I'm a realistic understand that there will always be some demand, but we could drink this industry by a lot. We could help a lot of dogs have better lives. We could prevent a lot of dogs from being born that way other dogs were already initial tres can get opportunities to be rescued, and I think that that's that's at risk is trying to always remember like there is a mom in a cage behind that puppy with really perspective perspective, like I said ten eleven years ago didn't even cross my mind when I walked by a store, but on I guess looking at the bright side to those putts aren't here anymore. So in where I live in southern California. So where at least making progress in some places things are getting better. I feel like the climate around even though I feel like sometimes it can be a little hostile for the most part. I feel like people are getting better there. They're learning. They're educating themselves. They're and even just doing this podcast feel like is going to help a lot of people to just understand this world so much better. And just pause and think and make them more thoughtful choice about whatever is best for their family. Yep. I don't think shaming helps anyone in. It certainly doesn't help the situation. I think just being mindful and keeping in mind, I think like most things like who are you giving your money to do feel good about that. And if if you're giving them profit, and they're doing something with it that doesn't align with your beliefs. Are you okay with that? And and I'm willing to bet that most people who love animals, not yo que with knowing where the money goes for those animals who are in pet stores are sold online. I would I would be willing to bet my money on that. So I think keeping that in mind in making your decisions from that places is a really important thing. And I think other ways quickly that I would love to share for people to get involved aside from getting involved with your. Local shelters and donating money to them and things them check out if they have an Amazon wishlist, he meant side of the United States who I work with a ton of work around like I mentioned legislation around stopping puppymills making it illegal to sell pets in pet stores. They've had great success in California or working on New York. So another thing you can do that doesn't cost you any money as writing to your local representatives in asking them to help make this illegal and help making to make sure that it's not legal where you live to have dog sold in pet stores. That's another thing we can do that doesn't cost any money. Is that like an Email is is an Email sufficient is like a letter. What do you think I use a this tool called resist pot in it allows you to like it identified who all of your local and state representatives? Are you can send them whatever content you'd like to send them in? It will fax it to them. And I actually have gotten a fax or Email fax any melts depends on the actual offer. Or sending it to an actually use it a lot of people use it for political reasons. But I actually use it for a lot of work that I do around puppymills for like stay in these people's faces I've gotten no actual handwritten not handwritten, but like typed printed actual physical letters back from them thanking me for writing to them in stating their position in what they're what they're willing to do to help or not into. That's another thing. You can do is. You're letting elected officials know that you're not okay with with it being legal to sell animals from pet stores. Okay. We'll put that in the show notes. That's really cool. I was not aware of that resource. But really, that's neat. Okay. What is your greatest hope Hillary in the home mission in what you guys the passion that you have for rescuing for educating people dreamworld, there's no animals that need rescuing or abusing realistic world. I hope that someone hears this podcast and makes the decision to rescue a pet or. At the very least not purchase a pet from a pet store or online. I think that every single person making a different decision counts. And I am so excited. If you do decide to rescue pet after listening to this podcast or seeing Albion's account online. Please Diaz pictures or emails pictures, it brings me so much joy. So much, and I just I love you and the dog so much. I love the little bean clad. They're just so special to me. So tell me where tell us where people can follow you guys and keep up with you and watch Ella? And coconut and fi. We're primarily on Instagram at Ella being the dog Allah and then being like jelly bean and the dog and then you'll find us. There's also a there is a blog that I don't really keep up with enough with the same name, but we're primarily on Instagram in. We'd love to meet you, so awesome. 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