6 Episode results for "High School Of Music"
Songfacts Podcast: Amada Brown
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But you don't need to leave your house to register to get voting impo just head to head Count Dot Org. And I'll see you at the polls. Jab. Brain from new. Star. Some. saw. Low, hello, hello, and welcome to the song facts podcast. I. Am your host. Cory Flanagan. I'm happy to be here with you. This podcast is proudly part of the Pantheon podcast network and if you're listening and you like us, please feel free to leave review boost my ego a little bit can hurt. On the show today, we have the insanely talented Amanda Baround. If you are a fan of the voice, you will remember her from. season. Three. But she has also toured with numerous acts including Adele, Alicia, keys, the killers and many more. She released her first solo album dirty water in twenty eighteen, and now she's finding her voice on a new EP and the first to come off of that is called from here. So we talked to her about all of that and more. So please stay tuned for the lovely and really just superfund Hang Miss Amanda Brown. Very. Curious. I want to we're GONNA I usually do this in a way that's more. Chronological. But I I was listening to from here and it's coming out October twenty third. You got a great song here. Just good. It gives me the sense that you've been pondering a few things and maybe within a relationship and with the resulting question being, where do we go from here some kind of wonder what can you tell us about this new track? yes. So it's a song that I wrote God, two thousand eighteen I was actually on the road at that time and I was touring with the killers and. Yet you know we all have periods where you know we're in a relationship and sometimes it works out sometimes it does it for me. You know in the case of this relationship, it didn't work out. Says says. To See. Can't. And Yeah it was just kind of sort about a bit of a crossroads i. You know had this had just released or actually I was promoting an album that I was gearing up to release and You know I, had been feeling this poll to move to the West Coast for a number of years prior to and Yeah kind of just you know that was the that was the question that kept popping up in the session I wrote the song with Jessica. Vaughan who is very talented artist in own right and songwriter and and keep Darrin was was sort of like kind of Co Producing Co writing session. And And Yeah we she was just like so what do you WanNa talk about and I like well, this is at the forefront of my mind and my life right now and And Yeah, that's that's how the song came about. So is us where do you go into the idea of what's going on in your mind and your life, and then you just kinda start going back and forth lyrically with people I know the songwriting different it's different for every song a lot of the time but as do you have different processes like that? I, do have different processes it depends on. It depends on where I am. It depends on like you know for instance, I didn't set out to write that song. You know I just had a session book. I just happen to have a session. I wanted to write with a bunch of different songwriters that I'd never written with before I wanted to start writing with female songwriters and it just I found that it was so easy I mean it helped that I knew Jesse but it was I found it was so easy for me to talk about some more kind of personal emotional things we're having another woman in the room. And Yeah and so. Sometimes like for instance, another song on my on my upcoming ep that the melody actually came to me in a dream I killed or not. Is That I. So actually when I moved to. California I started dreaming music, and for the very first time I started like dreaming melodies and wake up at four am and like grab my phone and just like record voice now, and so there's another song that's on the AP's called can't let you go. The melody for that came to me in a dream, and then the next day I started writing lyrics and then I got together with. Another songwriter and great musician And and sort of like fleshed out the song and so it kind of just depends. Yeah. Have you ever lost one have you ever woken up and been like yes. Not Get that down. Yes and you know why you know why that when that usually happens to me it's usually because I'm like Oh. Yeah I remember it like let me just give myself a second and sleep and you forget it you I always forget it. So once you hear it, you have to report it right away. Science a good habit to be, and so are you keeping a pen and paper as well as your phone so that you can do voice memos. Am I, what keeping your pen and paper right there as well as voice memos. In case, you might dream some lyrics that you might want to put down I usually just requ if I hear lyrics, I usually just record everything into my voice my mom smart. The singer, you probably have it come out as a melody anyway. Yeah. Yeah. So I'll sing it if they're a words among the word or whatever little mumbles come out on mumble that but but yeah, I feel like it's just faster to record it in a voice memo to try and like jot down everything super quickly adds it's coming to you you know yeah I like that okay. So you've got a hell of a story leading up to where you are now with those new music. So let's go back a little bit and talk about. You grew up a bronx girl singing in the church. It sounds like. And and then you went ahead and auditioned at one point in got into because I'm not GonNa go into the full name of the School Laguardia. High, school? And which they changed the name because originally was called fear Elo. H Laguardia High School of Music and art and performing. And then they're they they're like Oh God social media age, and we probably need to start in this for instagram handle whatever reason they changed it. But yeah now it's called Accordia Arts. Okay. Awesome. Well, I got it right then and I was just I literally saw that and I was like I got to figure out another way to say this in this question. I I took it shortened it myself and I guess I got it right But obviously, this is a very prestigious school within the city and nationally globally. and. So my question for you on that is, how has that? How has your time there impacted you musically like throughout your career so far? What kind of started there that you've carried on with? I mean, I would say that I learned a number of things at that school that helped me you know in my career it's funny because the other day you know for the September Eleventh Memorial, I posted a video. Because the year after September eleventh, they had the eternal lighting of the lighting of the eternal flame in battery park. They had all of these dignitaries there and so our high school senior choir performed after they the flame and I was a soloist that performed than it was on C. Span was just like I kind of television debut. in my senior year of high school, and that was just like one of many experiences I think I had as a result of being a student in the school that helped me throughout the rest of my career in terms of live performance in terms of vocal technique in terms of you know having to sing in various languages having to. Learn multiple pieces of music in various genres. At the same time you know I I've learned so much after having onto. That was a really kind of a that was one of the things that I had in mind of like you. What was your? What was the family listening to growing up? Was the parents? Would they have on the radio and stuff? Oh. WE LISTEN TO GOSPEL MUSIC WE LISTEN TO CHRISTIAN MUSIC I want to Go Ahead I. My. In my household we were we were Christian and my dad is was Is a very. Strict. You know a Christian man who's he's actually administer now but But yeah. So we only listened to that stuff at home. Okay. So you're coming from that background and then you go into the school and I'm imagining you get your eyes open to every genre. Oh and that is still happening like there are songs that like will play and I'll be like Oh. My God. What is it and my friends will be like you don't know what this is. And I'm just like no because for the first, like you know seventeen eighteen years of my life, I was listening to Christian music. But But yeah. So when I started high school, you know singing classical music and singing jazz men as a result of being around other students being exposed to whatever it was that they were listening to the time, our MBA and the pop world. So. Yeah. Now, it was like sensory overload days. This is something that I was really curious about too because I asked people who have been playing music and doing music for most of their lives especially in their childhood this. Question about confidence and I'm wondering if. Heads you not gotten accepted there? Do, you think that would have affected your confidence to the point where you might not be what you're doing today. Oh. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I didn't want to go to that school allusively. I was just very I was very, very shy. You know devout Christian girl. And my mind how times change no. But. No Yeah I So I had a music teacher in the seventh and eighth grade and you know he sort of introduced me to. A ton of like musical theater stuff and and he's was the one who told me about Laguardia and he said you should absolutely audition for the school like you know you have a great boise a great talent like this. You know this is something that if you are interested in that I can help you prepare for. I addition for that school I also also addition for A. fashion institute called Fashion High School because I want I love drying and I had all of these sketches of like outfits that I had created and I actually got into that school too and so it was just like do I want to go to the fashion world or do you want to the music world or do I just WanNa go to like a regular high school and just not do any of that and Oh you poor thing with these tough choices. But so yeah in the end, I decided to go to Laguardia. I'm glad that I made that decision but initially, and for most of my high school career, I, was just like, yeah, I'm doing music now because it's fun I I enjoy but I don't want to be a professional musician like that just seems like. It's not stable of course that that those are all like words that we that are not genuinely coming from us. Those are words that we hear from other people from our parents and and so we generate these things in our mind that make us think that we can't you know do certain things but totally kind of sets us up for being able to. You know if you if you didn't make it as a musician you've been like, well, you know when you asked me back then I didn't think I. was GonNa, make it either so you kinda just almost set yourself up and but you know you busted through it. So good work on that. Okay. So you're getting done there. You head off sounds like to Brown for what Lega Semester Year something. I went to Howard University. Howard Psalm Was a Howard University for a year. It was great. It was in Washington. DC Our number revile left the main reason a will the two main reasons were music. I was working with a producer ERC and I wanted to continue to to work with him. I wanted to continue to sort of try honing my songwriting and. And some money. 'cause I was just like I don't be in debt at the end of my collegiate career. And You know a Howard wasn't riddick. It wasn't as crazy as some of like you know certain other Ivy League schools and and the Nyu was another school that like I wanted to go to when I was just like I'm not I can't pay that much money and so and so those who remained why I left and I transferred schools I went to city college that translates to Berea. College in New York rouses like all right I can handle this I can pay for. College. I will have a degree in won't be too stressed out but that actually didn't happen because then I after my third year, I started of performing and engineering and what that's when you're. You started doing some stuff around New York doing some auditioning and then that's when you landed with the leash right? At least you started. Yeah. You started going around with Lieque's. Yeah. So what was I'm curious now you've made this decision to leave. The Ivy League school come back to New York research. Ivy League school but okay. Historically. Black University. I'm not a I'm not a UNIFIL. Clearly I am curious about that. Not so much the auditioning but the process of getting that and did you your you know you're twenty three? It sounds like around twenty three at the time. What was that moment like for you? Sorry. Twenty three now you're twenty three. No. Yeah. No I am. It was amazing when I got the job you know. One I had never traveled outside of the country. You know one outside of visiting Jamaica with my family. I had never traveled anywhere else prior to that I had never had a full time music job. You know where music was the only thing I was doing I always had like a music gig and then like two other jobs. So you know it was pretty amazing in that like I was able to travel the world and do just music for you know three years and get paid for and I was just like this exists like people actually do this. So yeah, it was pretty it was pretty amazing and after having that experience I was like Oh. Yeah. This is definitely something that I want to keep doing. So that kind of solidified it I'm curious about that how that experience. Kind of. Prepared you for what came pretty close to be next, which was your time on the voice. Yeah. So well, actually I was working with the leash accused for about three years and would sing background for you know a few other artists here and there and and then I actually left at the end up three year those three years because I wanted to. I wanted to write more for myself. I wanted to record more for myself and I wanted to explore the idea of being a solo artist and what that meant for me. Urging for that I imagine all I. Mean everybody's everybody's always has always been supportive everyone that I worked always been supportive of whatever it is. You WanNa do like we support you know ones. I, don't leave us I said you're staring us in the back for. And know everyone's always been supportive God but Yes. So I left and then I was in New York not touring and I was just like, okay. Now, what do I do and you know I've got like a bunch of. Jobs I was working in like a clothing store, for Min- While I was trying to figure all my friends all around there for you. Girl likes a piece of fabric but. No I am I then started singing at this club in the West village called the village underground. I started singing in the House van offer of few years and that experience sort of helped me honed my live performance chops as a solo artist because everyone onstage was talented in their own right. So many of those guys and ladies had been performing you know in New, York City for years in in various venues. Sort of had that so low stage experience, which I didn't have I'd only really ever song as a background singer or within a group or within a choir and so that really helps me home my my solo performance skills and wanted I, was working there. That's when I addition for the Voice of God. I had that experience I because if I had gone on the voice prior to sing at the village underground, I definitely would have thoughts. I'm really curious what were some of the songs that you were singing? No was it mostly covers yeah. There were all covers occasionally a few of us will perform some original songs for the most part of was covered. You know it was like a late night we play until sometimes two three o'clock in the morning. As so it was like one of those late night bars people will come and drink and dance, and they wanted to hear songs that they knew very lounge. I don't know that it was lounge had seeds but like are the man was pretty loud. It's like I. Don't know that many people were able to have a conversation unless you were talking directly into someone's ear. Okay. Like we were we were walking down there. That's cool. Okay. So I am coming from someone who has been in and out of watching a show like the voice. My mom was a huge fan. Less her. And so she got me watching a couple of seasons. Unfortunately, it was after you were on. but I do have some questions about the voice behind the scenes that if she were still with us, she would want me to absolutely ask somebody because she'd be freaking out that I had the opportunity to talk to somebody that was on the show. And so. Okay. So first of all. Using. Both someone like you by Adele and also had one of the most memorable performance I think probably in the show's history with Aerosmith's dream on. And I'm wondering where you nervous taking on any of these songs by such big and diverse voices leading up to him. Yeah I mean I was always nervous before every single performance I get I mean I used to get extremely nervous to the point where like? I couldn't talk to anybody needs to be my own space and zone and I remember before I, performed a dream on which is a song that song a million times prior to that. Stay tuned for more song pex focused right after this. So here's a quick question for you. Are you registered to vote? Headcount is a nonpartisan organization that works with the music and entertainment industry to get fans to vote to update or check your voter registration status go to headcount dot org you'll find all the information you need to be ready for election day it's coming up fast. So dude now. Registered to vote and headcount dot. Org. Back. Like seconds before I went onstage I always like to sort of like you know review through the lyrics and the melody and everything and I remember seconds before I. Walked Out. I was like a what's the starts to sound? Like I was extremely nervous but you know I think that when you when you put the work in and you try and you know keep Be Respectful to you know the original artists in the -bility and make home but stole. Payam is to these incredible songwriters and performers and bands It always works out in the end. You know as long as you're like having fun and its musical and you know you're connecting with whoever is there in the room with you? That's all we you're. You're trying to do I think you'll end up going into in with Adele a little bit. Did you ever just like nausea and be like, Hey, if you wanNA break I'll tell the song today. No I. I feel like she she's doing pretty well. She doesn't mean me hop up there but no. She she was great because she also gave an opportunity for us to have like a girls moment. She had me any other to background singers You know come up into the front of the stage with her. We'd like Sang a song together and That was a great experience. She's a she's wonderful person and very talented. Yeah unbelievable. So now I WANNA go I want to jump back because I need some behind the scenes details. I'm wondering. Where do you live when you're on the show and what's just a typical day in week like as you're preparing these songs with your coach and the artists that they bring in just what kind of is like the day in day out. So curious how this all works Yeah I mean it sort of varies from day to day we all stay in hotels and. Things at different. So it's not it doesn't work chronologically you know it sometimes, we'll film this shot of US walking down a hallway and then we'll jump to like an interview and then we'll do another. So it kind of just depends on whatever it is. They need for the show. That's my thought. There's all this b-roll that they've gotta get there like you've got these call times. It's almost like being on set shooting a commercial or something like that. Yeah and for the most part you know you're spending a lot of time by yourself or. At least I did by myself sort of going over the music and You know there are some people that were more social. They'd have like little hangs outside or everyone on the show will come and do like those things songs everyone will go around and saying and stuff like that, and like I just wasn't into that not that it's not cool. I just wasn't my live you know back then so I spent a lot of time you know with me or like a couple of friends that made on the show cody blue was my. Was My boo on the show and There was another girl Amanda to Kobe who who auditioned, but she didn't make it onto the show which was another person that like you know we hung out with I hung out with But Yeah I. I just spent a lot of time kind of rehearsing. You'd have like you know vocal coach moments had like vocal coaches on the show and They're really. Overall you think. I imagine that they probably did help improve some people I. think that I already had a lot of experience into that show and so. I don't know that there was anything that I learned technique. Wise. But I learned a lot about myself. I learned a lot about what I want and don't want myself good and those sorts of things. Yeah. Well, I mean every experience. You're gonNA take something out of. So like you said, you were kind of prepared with the few years that you've done on the not lounge scene in New York that was You know getting you ready to get in your live chops. Good. So that's really I. Appreciate You let Meka scratch my curious, Corey which. Of course because it's constantly there. Okay. So let's jump up now twenty eighteen, you drop the album dirty water and as I'm listening to this. It just covers a lot of ground. Musically, you've got pop there's legs, some waltzes soulful stuff on there. There's even kind of a song that's got a little country feel to it. Yeah, and. That think it's dynamite. Are you always trying to be open to just broadening into these different genres you help? Does he think that Kinda helps you creativity just continued to expand? Yeah I think for me like that was my first effort and you know writing an album. And I do love so many different types of music and I do Appreciate various genres for different reasons and I think I just wanted to experiment and and be free to create without trying to box myself into anything. which I'm glad that I did I'm glad I had that opportunity because now I know myself much better when it comes to the music that I want to create and what direction I want that to take and I think had I just listened to somebody that was just like, yeah. Well, you gotta do like just only this or only do this because like that's just the rules that's. All lines of work though, right because they'll be like, what do you WanNa do for your living and you'll be like well, I could do this. I could do that. No, like you really need to focus and just do one thing and it's like well, I cannot just try a bunch of things. I WANNA do. Sparring and I get bored. No I just I think that had I not done that and had I not experimented On that album. Future projects I would have constantly been wondering well, what if I tried this with this thing work what if I try this with this thing work and so that album was just you know I think of it as like my little baby was just like my first effort. My I, try and. Yet it is what it is. I try not to too many labels on it. It's like a little singer songwriter album. And Yeah. There's one song on there that I was. I've just been really fallen in love with. No good. have a drink and then. Again. I don't I don't know what it is, but it keeps talking about this picture. Perfect friend. And it seems to be saying that things aren't good now but they might be on the road and I'm just really as I'm listening what I want to ask you what Protopopov needs like evasive but hopeful type ideas. Yeah thousand now they're core kind of song about relationship these relationships man. Just fuel for the fire. and. I'm saying you know I'm no good for you. But really, I'm talking about this other person who would constantly you know sort of give that energy off to me as if to say you know I I'm no I'm I'm not good for you. Deserve better. You deserve you know a better person but like you know I'm GonNa stick around because this could potentially like you know I could become a better person be better. You know our relationship could potentially grow into a better thing and it was just kind of like it was a bit of a star casting way at at you know addressing this particular person just like you're no good for me, right? Right now, maybe down the road, I'm not shutting the door yeah. Didn't shut the door for few years Burton know. We're all guilty of string someone along for two. Yeah fortunately. All. Right. So I'M GONNA get into some of these these these questions that I'm asking everyone to ask everyone three of the third one I make personal. So number one is if you listen to one band for the rest of your life which one would that be. Allowed be radiohead. I've got that. You're my third out of like. Two dozen or something like that. With you and radiohead. I Love Them. I. Think that they are just. Aban. That I stood the test of time they are just incredibly musical I fell in love with Tom York's voice as I was singing rock music and I was just like Oh. You have this sort of pretty sound and I remember reading an interview somewhere You know where he was saying something along the lines of you know in the beginning of the band's career that you know he wasn't a fan of his own boys was he thought it was too pretty and. An installment later embraced it and I feel like I've I related to the law I. was just like what I wanNA sing stuff that like is a bit harder and heavier, but I haven't this like you know pretty boys and no matter how hard and heavy I saying everyone's like Oh my God. It sounds so pretty I completely I agree and I disagree and I've got a question that kind of relates to that. It's after this one. What is one song that you wish you would have written? Off One a song that I wish I had written. That comes to mind and maybe it's just because of my connection to this particular artist but I wish that I had written someone like you by the whole. They, because do I think it's a great song 'em because I wouldn't mind receiving the checks that I know she's received as a result of that song what also having seen the impact of that song I and the way that people respond to it the way that people connect to it. Live at shows the way people are even just her fans with me as a result of me. Being you know a someone that has worked with her and and I sang that song on the voice I cover that song on the voice and. People's responds to it even though it's on very different from her version of it I just feel like that is what i. that's the kind of song that I wanna right I want to write a song that allows people to connect. to it in the way that they have to that song, and that's the first thing that comes to mind Ho knows if I was able to sit down and how think you trust those instincts that's what I a lot of times people will struggle with it and I'll just sit there and I'll go back and I'll be like what was the first thing that popped in and they can you know that's I think that's usually the best way to go. Yeah, and I mean who are now that I'm thinking about it there are like a million other songs that are coming through. But I mean like if I had written paranoid Android, I would've felt like I would be the coolest person on the planet and I just die after that. You know the story behind that. I. Read somewhere that he was like in a bar. In a hotel room above a bar like in a room above a bar and people were just like partying and getting crazy and he was just so frustrated because they were keeping him awake and that's where that whole thing came from. Okay. Yeah. I I read like something somewhat similar where he was in a bar and he saw like a number of people that were extremely John. This one particular lady who was I kinda PREC-, and entitled and just like a really bad drunk and I think that's where the line like. Gucci Little Piggy came from your. But. I mean I wish I'd written that I wish I'd written all of one was catalog. All of Michael Jackson's Kellogg like great. Great Songs Yeah. Connect. You. Know those I mean you can't go wrong with those I had someone. Pick Michael Jackson as their artists that they would listen to. If they could only listen to one for the rest of their life recent, Mala. Yeah. That makes sense. What are the things you gotta consider is a giant catalog of music because officials going to be on repeat you on you're going to get sick of it after seventy years. Okay. So I've heard you covers obviously I heard dream on and today I listened to that. Nice really. Nice Acoustic version of best me by Foo Fighters Oh. Really, great I thought that was one of those. I just thought you nailed that song and then here's the one that just floored me. Was Show me how to live by audio slave? He. says. When you were saying like. I just want to like belted out sometimes, but people are like, no you got this really pretty voice like I'm telling everyone I'm gonNA linked to this in the show notes go look at this youtube video and watch those girls sing with this like this giant horn section behind you that you just like power like five horns and make a microphone. That's true. But you know it's in here too. And thank but. This I literally listened I got tingles my girlfriend's sitting there making. Lunch and I'm just like. Are you listening to this and? Again kind of and I'm like this is just so good and I'm wondering because of your voice with those horns and I just got me thinking like is your ideal? Are you just like bullhorns up ahead Bang Rocker at heart? You know why I like to think when I think of myself and like my musical tastes I think or rather I would like to embody prince like I feel like prentice. The perfect example in that prince was able to pop back and forth between between genres he was able to you know throw a little rock and roll Mary who's able to throw a little soul in there he was able to throw a little gospel there arm be a little funk. And while I am nowhere near as a accomplish says, prince, was I. That is what that is what I aim for I because I love music I, love all types of music. And I want to be able to sing and appreciate all of those things when opportunities present themselves. Now I think as I progress as an artist I'm haunting in on more of a an Amanda Brown's sound that all you know hopefully, people will recognize when they hear me singing on something but I definitely learned to be a bit more edgy I think than I was ten years ago. It's issues. That to the world. That was not always the case go back and look at my performance singing battery park and I was like. On classical singer. I've definitely grown. Did you know the audio slave song or was that something that you guys just kind of said was that your suggestion was that somebody else's Yes Oh brass Ganz. If you're familiar with them but they are sort of You know a ban that always kind of. Plays and records these songs that are just like you know f the establishment You know like they're all rock songs but they're like songs that are just like have some sort of a message in regards to like governments or religion or some sort of societal You know thing that exists and so he Brad actually presented a number of songs to me, and that was one of them and I was just like I wanNA sing this song is familiar with audio, but I was familiar with that too so. It was a pleasure and you know when we had recorded, it was not you know and not that much longer after Kris passed away and so I felt even more kind of like empowered to make sure that that performance was was as good as I could possibly make it. You know paying some Amish. Yeah No, it was really good This has been so much fun. The single is from here it drops type Tober twenty third. Go find it. And Love it and Amanda Brown thank you for spending some time with us and thank you for using a condenser microphones. So Nice Lean. And Much continued success to you. Thank you very much is a pleasure. Okay first thing I'd like to do is confirm that Amanda was right I did go to song FACS Dot Com and double checked our handiwork on paranoid android and sure enough he wrote it more so on a night out I was partially right he wrote it while staying awake at five in the morning because he was thinking about all the crappy people that he met anyway thank you so much to Amanda. and. Thank you to all of you for the stories behind the songs. Go to Song Fax Dot Com
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"You're listening to the door to report. I'm your host scott working. Today i present to you an interview with kirk us not only as kirker wonderful actor and one of the leaders of the national boycott the trump supporting kim equinox. He actually is one of the first high profile resistors in america ever recently. More people got to know kerr this week after he sent a tweet that wildly viral which reads yo stephen ross. I'd just cancelled my equinoxes membership. After fourteen years you will not use is my dues to support a racist president along with this short video that echoes the rest of his post. Here's the audio hey steven rose us. Fuck yourself. Not many people know that kirk acevedo didn't grow up living a life of privilege before becoming a famous actor but rather he was one of the many talented people who overcame some real childhood adversity to become a nationally recognized performing artists. He told us that story too but before we start i'd like to ask you to check out the link to my new book series meet the candidates twenty twenty wani authored by this podcast producer grant stern. I'm the series editor and each book starts with an essay that i've written about each candidate. The books are a wonderful portrait of each candidate and grant look under every rock search engine and even into the internet archive to paint that portrait with lots of facts policy and history that you need to truly understand the democratic candidates for president in two thousand twenty checkout meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com to to see all the books in this podcast episode. You'll laugh you might cry but you'll definitely laugh and you'll also learn that life isn't about your problems but what you'll do to overcome them. Here's my interview with kirk acevedo qurqus vado. Thank you for joining me today. How are you. I'm doing well driller doing well. It's good to be good to be hat well. They are taking the time. I know you're slammed with your schedule. Aw i appreciate everything that you've been doing resistance wise and pushing back against the administration and in standing up for those who who definitely need it <hes> i i wanted to start by asking you to tell our listeners a little bit about yourself where you're from and what it was like attending the laguardia high school of music and art in new york city which inspired and maybe fame obviously the fame school yeah exactly. I grew up in the south bronx. I grew up all over the race in the bronx. You know we like <hes> from from. I would say for five years old two seventeen eighteen. I'm like eleven times. <hes> you know had problems is a little angsty kids and <hes> found acting which <hes> steered me in the right direction was an outlet emotionally you know stuff like that and so my mom took me out i got i got kicked out of junior high school for fighting and she took into junior high school <hes> form yards and from there <hes> i went to laguardia. Which is you know the fame school it was actually the first year in the new uh building which was which was right behind lincoln center on so and then from there just <hes> you know start conservatory for years. The suny purchase started acting and <hes> plays and really got my first gig. You're out of college. Which was what was it that made you think like i want to act like what was what was the moment where you're like. This is what i wanted to. You know what you know to be honest. You know i know it's cliche. It's something that i actually always wanted to do. I didn't know how to go about achieving their goal. You know until until i went to actually <hes> <hes> suny purchase. I was sixteen years old living on my own as a senior in high school literally. Had you know my dad moved out like you know different origins <hes> <hes> <hes> was you know troubled kid and <hes> he he left the house nice self and so my best friend actually listening right now in l._a. She <hes> lived within three months in brooklyn in the brownsville and islam was <hes> principal said hey. I'm gonna pay for your <hes> your college application for teens because you need to be acting and honestly the main reason why shooting for its bieber. Don't believe this story. Was you had three three meals a day. That is true so and then from there you know just no local walking. I love the process of or seen love being around other actress talking. You know politics art so you you went into <hes> you you went into acting obviously in fulltime professionally but at what point did you <hes> i guess what is it that informs and inspires your your kind of political beliefs. What what made you kind of start on this political not rampage page but more of speaking out for people who was early in life or visit more recent or you know my my brother is just one of those people you know he's serving both iraq wars and stuff like that and <hes> he's a <hes> <hes> customs official in new york city and his from an early age. He was just a person. He's guy that he saw saw a lady. Some individual being harassed that guy that went something so i've just there's always been sort of bread that way that the people need help you have to do what's right and <hes> so i think that kind of laid into politics away and i it definitely shit definitely <hes>. I guess i got more into it. I went to say definitely this <hes> in twenty any sixteen right just because <hes> you know it's so funny when people say what do you have. These feelings are president trump. Whoa actually met him twice so i actually <hes> <hes> an understanding of who he is on a personal basis from the handshake just who the man is and living in new york city we were privy to you know all issue mannequins and news articles about him so we're we're pretty much loma head of the curve on we walls so <hes> that was a big part of me having to in my opinion you know well now. You've voiced your opinion on a level where it is internationally heard <hes>. Can you tell well our listeners. What made you want to speak out against equinoxes and also to end your membership with them. Yeah that was actually a really hard thing on the creature of habit so fourteen years going to one place. Every morning was very different. Bras allows brushing my teeth but <hes> you know perceiving wrong and obviously he has many eddie from businesses that he accrues money and earns money from but i i just don't i want my my membership dues which some going through his pocket when he donates to a president that was my best interest and <hes> the one thing that i could do that was the light thing was to say no. It was probably within the any else it is just to say no and <hes> no matter how much it you know affected my way of life. Which like precip before is you know o._c._d. Like the same things over every morning coffee brush my teeth jim <hes> i had to make a statement and say that that is not in k nine dollars. My shift us can't go to a president who <hes> homophobic who is <hes> <hes> racist. I think my opinion and has a history. This isn't alas. I would say forty years <hes> i just had to make a stand and i held other friends who knocks knox accountable. You know call. I sent them text and i said hey this is my tweet. When are you canceling your mother ship shape and you know i would say eighty five percents. <hes> put a halt to their membership. There was one or two that were like. Let me see what happens overseas. There's some contrition or just you know. It's it's the two late you can't wait. Wait you two. Did you expect that kind of response because everybody of spoken with for the most part about ninety percent of them have said they so your tweet and that kind of kind of like wait who stephen rawson what's happening here some people who are out of it and then they looked into it and they're like oh. I'm not not going to be involved with this kind of madness and then that i think corporations need to be held accountable when they have leadership like that that wants to donate their money that they've made off of of people in their businesses and so did you expect that kind of response when he tweeted out i know of tweeted things before where i'm like. I don't know if i'll tweet this or not but then i send it and then it becomes viral caroline. I'm like oh yeah you expect that. I didn't think it was gonna go is that i did it. You know i. I have a decent amount of millions or stuff like that but you know i expected. We're catch fine juice because sequent oxygen general just you know just social scattered and you know a lot of liberals go to the gym artist artist <hes> so <hes> no to answer your question i was but i was pleasantly surprised and i'm i'm glad if people listened and it changed their opinions and the funny thing is i get you know once it goes viral. If the response is then change the become mega because you know just the trump followers then jensen ranch on and they make a ticket in the thing is if i could make a decision to not john hi my money flow team a certain candidates or certain <hes> <hes> <hes> that's my right. I could say no and the same way they responded these tweets that you know how dare i. I don't have this right absolutely happen. Sure i just say no and and watch what my money goes the same related you know so the same way could vote for whoever you vote for you know. It's like poker. You know people complain about any you know if you're in a hand and they complain about how the hell did you paul with seven deuce and the flop is seven seventy it. They can do whatever they want wherever they want their money. It's the same thing so. I made a decision. I don't i want to find out poor about meet. The candidates twenty twenty minute book series of voter guides authored by door report producer grant stern. It's the only place you can read my opinion and a factual portrait of each major democratic candidate in one place my new book now at the link inside this episode's notes or on amazon. You can also visit meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com. Thanks for your sport. Let's get back to the show joe. I'm not sure if you knew this or not but you are one of the first <hes> notable public figures the <hes> famous people that have ever pushed out the resist and resistance kind of mantra hashtag and everything and that was i. I think one of your first times was before inauguration. You're already speaking out against them but before inauguration amplifying effort <hes> can't thank you enough for that was was it that what was the moment where you were like. Oh my god like this is where you saw and you're like. I need to push back against this in some sort of way and then you started using obviously easily social media and talking to people but like was there a breaking point where you're like oh. This guy is terrible. Well listen <hes> he really it was was the <hes> mexico cantering that he threw saying that <hes> there rapist and they're criminals and some are good people which was just highly offensive are the latino was it just was you can't make these proclamations and he's put a whole group of people in a negative light and so that was on <noise> for me. I mean i was never gonna vote anyway. What that really set up like that is definitely playing the race card and <hes> i just somehow make a stand in in my son's tags will definitely log on right <hes> in obviously change change but that really was important for me and i was wondering because he does have charisma. He is different. He does things out the box now. I'm not talking to see the match ups 'cause he's not it just worked because no one has ever been politics way before knowing being someone just he <hes> trucking and just <hes> you know aces in the and it works to a certain base and group of people feel left out. He'll rejected which acted and that he's a businessman that yes this is what we need to bring the economy back up to bring jobs back to america but the the reality is his base never ever ever ever associate with his base. He's such an an elitist that is that is beyond only that this man or just you you know is is always touting his base even never even socialize. She can't with them never even <music>. Oh my god it's boxy is is i mean yeah and so in regards to trump's response. Let's just give an example of his hypocrisy your failures in his response to puerto rico especially since you have family ties. I think he was your grandparents. Your your parents born in new york. I think right and <hes> greg somebody. My dad was born there. My mom was born year both going through. What do you think what do you think about his response to hurricane. Well you know declaring it. A national national emergency was it was it was his way late. I mean i i think i wanna speak at a editor not getting the facts right but i think it was like eight to ten days and then hillary <hes> sent out a tweet to send a <hes> what's the vessel emergency vessel that they send out a navy vessel emergencies and then he sent it out and dan. It was too late the whole video again. You know sewing paper towels at the people people. We don't need paper towels. We need order. We need electricity and then the are gonna goes you know i i think there's a triumph of three people decide where the money goes to puerto rico right and that the actual governor and everyone they don't decide where the money goes wherever you go so you know djelic eating the money's weird she though oh they're held accountable foreign these deficit but it's really not on their they don't decide where this goes i so <hes> that was really alarming. You know those people ray they drafted vietnam more which you and they die for their country and they can't vote on the island makes no sense if rockall darma atma decides to leave the united states and go to puerto rico and live there and that's his main residence. He can't vote that make any sense yeah. There's a good point if he has he cannot vote the ex president of the united states if he has no residency in mainland united states he cannot vote in puerto. Rico makes sense because that's canto campbell's presence in the primaries. You can't vote for the president make sense and we all know why they don't wanna give us that opportunity to vote because they we know that those electoral votes will be what we'll be blue right so it's such politics politics being played with people's lives and assistant. It's it's bad. It's it's. It's really unfortunate. This episode of the dworkin report is brought to you by resistors like you. We aim to keep this show independent for as long as we can visit worker report dot com to see how you can help out the best ways is by hitting that contribute button atop bright the giving what you can thanks again for your support. Let's get back to the three last questions for yeah. These are these ones that are more simple. You have two kids. <hes> have you gotten a lot of questions do to trump's antics like his loudmouth nece and of course his numerous immerse scandals for my children yeah. Have they ask you a lot of questions about like. What exactly is this about not understanding. Maybe maybe hearing things at school or seeing things on t._v. Like if there had been a lot of things where you've had to explain to them this is not like a good thing for good person to do or any questions that have been awkward. You know my my daughter. Is you know she's <hes>. She definitely has my diem. Hey hey because in my personality <hes> she was at a private school with figure out of this certain private school and in los angeles <hes> <hes> the prayed during the midterm elections that that he president trump would win the bitterns the senate seats and i just find that so offensive because already at an early age you trying to sway children politically and and you know since it's a private school they can do though you know. There's no there's no separation of church and state private schools. They can do whatever whatever they want and i find that offensive because red children radically first of all too young. She really have an opinion because they have experienced having tape. Do you want jobs <hes>. I just wanted to defensive because that's really my job. As a parent art guide my child i just felt that they were swayed my child in the way and you know about abortion on how it's evil satan's work and <hes> so i had to take my child that she came home crying on that and walk you know they made a spray in math president which i like this. Is you know no. What is our country our country. He's just so splitting that man. You know what i mean like you. Just it's. It's it's it's really sad and that's that's absurd. That's the i've asked a lot of people on on this show about that like you know they have kids and that is the most striking answer i've ever heard. A bye for that is yeah. I don't know how i know. Parents would have yanked me out of the school. If that happened <hes> 'cause they don't they don't want you. Even i think in a lot of the people that i'm like an uncle to my nephews nieces and whatnot they all are on the same page where they just don't talk about politics inside the school at all all right but it's a public school you know but they don't they don't want they don't want them to have to worry about. Who's going to win the house of the senate or who's in the white house or who's in congress like they want them to worry about what their future is and you know studying for class not in their homework and not the rest of the garbage you know that's out there and why i wanted to my kids and i want you to <hes> <hes> helped my children <hes> <hes> with their you know their <hes> their syntax and they're just you know history you. You don't have to teach my children rally. That's my job as a parent. You know what i mean. Teaching what's right and wrong and it's not your job so absolutely so. Let's say let's win. A movie does come out about the trump administration <hes>. What role would you play. Do you think if out of this this whole thing. Who do you think you'd play best in. The administration or former ministration been fire people who quit the campaign. Whatever who do you think you would play of the overall trump story. There's two people low in taos ski. I could roll down a doing so well. I <hes> <hes> and he'd be happy because when we look at home so that would be i agree. We're us for him and <hes> <hes> which debuted this this came out the former <hes> head of <hes> <hes> yeah yeah i <hes> i'm gonna see his name on huarong <hes> scaramucci oh yeah mooch yeah scaramucci moot moods nuts which is why i schwab very charismatic charming guy is a daily all right <hes> and that's how they all so you know it really turns against and some they slip. It's it's <hes> but at least reflect with you so in this is one of the biggest questions and simple though but i doubt he is listening but if he were what would your message be to trump you know you're the president of the united states <music>. You're the president of all the people half the people you're the president of all people and sometimes you have concessions towards the other side. You know there's never going to be a president is never going to be a politician. That's gonna make everyone happy. It's impossible. There's always gonna be some now consol or malcontents. What's what's understandable for the most part. You're the president of all the people and he's not he's only the president for days. Ace your presidency the base that <hes> he wants to stand by him to get reelected again and you know that's that's not how it is you know. I can't think you could do anything right could give them <hes> criticism on his politics and being as uniform war is what he is. I can't you know it's i can't change that tiger stripes you know if he has <hes> racist tendencies. That's who he's going to be. That's just we is the the only power that is the power to vote. That's it. I'm sick of <hes>. You know you know my only criticism towards media yeah. They gave him a pass. During the elections they gave him a us and that pass was always pellets well because on the as edges they didn't hold him accountable chrome day one and they have to accept responsibility responsibility for that they have to so. I'm not gonna change you. We is i can't you can't the only the thing that we can teams is to get out and vote. That's the most power we have get out and vote with fifty percents. The country does not vote and personally. I think there should be some penalty some financial penalty. If you do not vote i really do you should vote. People would turn out. I can tell you that i listen. I don't care if people donald duck. Just get out and fucking vote but then don't cry when your person doesn't get elected. They don't complain when you're person doesn't get elected because you didn't vote. It can get <hes> you know yeah. That's what that's what what happens is people get elected and then they're like why are all these new laws coming across this as it represent. My district is in represent. The country in this supreme court justice doesn't make percents. It's all coming back to the fact that those people were elected. It's somehow also ex we top of that. If we get rid of the electoral college evie amazing to that's never an often bad that can happen that'd be brilliant but <hes> if someone could give me a history lesson or political electoral college. I understand it on the basic level but i just don't understand it. I don't know why we gab so i know why we have. I just doesn't make any a lot of things. Don't don't make any sense. I wanted to thank you of nine for taking your time today but win. Few people stood up and i really genuinely mean this. I was on m._s._n._b._c. skipped my start. Their december twenty sixteen gene enrolling into january and i was talking about this is when trump said i have no russian ties. That's what we started with is dealing with him having no russian ties and i was the guy out with a report lord saying here's my report on his russian ties like this is forty pages of thirty years of connections or whatever anyways long story short. You're one of the few people who stood up and you know kinda. Kinda started shouting out the movement in in pushing back against him and turning it in from you know a <hes> love resistance or or you know different resistance movements across the world in turning it into the resistance here. <hes> you know whether you like it or not. You're one of those leaders of the movement and i can't appreciate you nuff in everything you've done your patriot and by just appreciate everything you've done and what you do appreciative really doing. You're doing the good work to you are on the right side of history my phone. We both are thank you kirk. I appreciate it. Kirk is a vital reservoir. I wanna thank kirk awesome. Overtaking the time by producer grants during you can follow him on twitter at korean stern you can check out our website at dworkin report dot com. You can take a look at book series at meet the candidates twenty twenty dot com. Tom and i know it's been a long few months has been a long few years but i just wanted to relate to everybody that <hes> because because of people like kirk and other standing up and speaking out like yourself. We're going to overcome this all. I'm sure of it <music> two long road but it's worth it. That's a show basically for listening. <music> were <music>.
Nouhi's Nomad, Nostalgic & Fresh
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It's nice to see you guys again day. I'm here with an insane. Incredible dope musician aids oil. Hey hey how are you. Hey it's nice to meet you. Thank you for taking your time to do this. Of course thank you for having me. No problem no problem. So why. don't she'll tell the audience a little bit about yourself. I don't really know about to in today's so so my name is accurate. And i go buy new. He's nomad. i'm born and raised in new york in the upper west side. Call for best side. I grow playing violent for a couple of years. Dropped it for piano before. Focus completely to the voice laguardia high school in the city interesting. When amazing life you have not really amazing about lively up say very very musical. Yeah all okay okay. That's good you have a very musical life. Parents made sure i did. Thank you nice. Says nice little intro bomb. Let's connex on the intro. So on this next price general stuff about you so i kinda wanna start the very beginning with music career so have did all that star with your music hauser joining with music. Stop for you. So my mom had me pick up an instrument h three and i picked up the violin and then i did it because i had to not because i enjoyed it i because i was a kid and it was just part of my life. Was your practice violent play violin. And then i i enjoyed music and performing but i didn't like the violence and mice. I went to piano. But i'd always liked singing and the piano became a little bit of a chore that i didn't have as much fun at that. They wanted to so then. I just decided to audition for voice laguardia. And then i got in for voice. I pursued sing. It was my software year. High school. When i realized i didn't want to be a doctor anymore. I didn't want to go to med school. I just wanted to be musician. And that's kind of what started this path into the fresh musician. So by by michael here but i totally said and i liked that your life is very musical. You started your whole career from switching instruments switching your whole career to adopt from musician. That's very that's amazing brave enough to do that. Yeah thankfully apparent supported me. Because i know a lot of parents would not let their son gobi musician. Yeah definitely haven't counted up you people like a You have the very musical live. That's very amazing. I'm hallo make sure Anyways besides that a woman trigger point the main to decide the music so there there are two points. The first one is in high school my software when i realized how much i enjoyed being able to share music with other people and convey this sort of emotions or sort of released to them but and there was one first year college when i was seeing professional church choir and as we were going to go home for christmas now was ohio but i'm from the city as at school for high when i was gonna go home for month that i wasn't going to see the buddies i'd made and my my colleagues of the church One of the one of my tenors. Who was actually one of the tenders. Shipmates at hazak Before i met you you know. I didn't have the confidence that sing out. But you know you singing next to me has really inspired me to project more and be more myself. And now is one of the moments that made me realize that this is being an artist is all about. it's touching others and influencing them in a positive light and that's why. I decided to become a musician on that was the main thing and i totally. I totally was very shot. The he even said that to you. I mean that's pretty amazing. He was inspired to sing. Because of what you were doing the class it was it was it was truly breath taking just hearing that said by someone who has. I wanted to say at least four decades older than me an breath. Taking one of the breath-taking for me to abuse to me but while not only you're a musician but you're like a public figure like you're a motivator allow. That's amazing that's amazing. I gotta get back to society subway. You know oh yes Definition coming And that came out brown. And he my stutter. Let me start a style on. What i meant to say was the as an everybody starts somewhere was trying to say i was trying to say that statement anyway in artist start somewhere was your bit over your inspirations into music giving this far solid and goes awry that i ever get involved. Who is name be. I've had a lot of teachers. Inspired me but i think it s my software. Your high school music voice teacher. Deepak marla Okay okay any reason why you will teach biggest or just something. There was something informative about about that year my life and i've had a lot of phenomenal voice seizures in a lot of production teacher. So i can thank my sophomore year was my turning point because i went into high school. You know thinking. Like i said earlier i was going to be a doctor like my dad and i was taking chemistry. I wasn't drinking or much but but in that voice class there is something about the community there that made me realize that i eat something i could seriously consider doing at. It wasn't something. I was doing to get into good high school to college pursue as a career and impact others with While she must have been amazing teacher if she made to do all that inspired you to do all. That's on say amazing. It's incredible. I like what you down so far in your earlier in your earlier. Statement about instruments What is your favorite. Chemin and by player to listen to. Okay so i i. I have lot of respect for the cello because of its massive range. You can pretty much play. Us is a violent. If you move up and down the fingerboard but you also can get a nice warmth color when you go down in. Te'o based left. But he also. I love the piano because you can piano. It's progressive and there's a reason they make reductions for piano piano reductions because you could pretty much have a whole ensemble be played just on the piano. So challenge piano instruments and aside from the human voice of course because as a singer i have to rep of that because i think that's one of the most challenging voice. Bush missed because you have to maintain it. If you damage the cello piano you can replace. You can buy new but if you damage your voice you know it's gone. Oh yes those definitely. And i love to said the piano was like a whole orchestra because i love. The piano is one of my favorites. I don't know how to play him. But it sounds good with every type of music wherever whenever even wraps up panels very universal yes it just fits into every every genre and every nation alya so no matter what thing singing you can always depend on the piano to give you a little backup in a little and to be fair you know. I don't really use a pain on my little too much. But i write my music. I write my songs on a piano and on the on the ground staff. Because it's so much easier to see everything when it's cadets here i i some that one point on because i don't want any blanks nor awkwardness. You don't deserve. Course thank you. What would happen right now. If you're not a musician would happen. That's a really good question. Man shit so. I graduated college in december. And if i wasn't a musician i'd probably be unemployed spending my money instead of on production on you know going out getting food seeing friends and looking for work i was significantly bigger bank account because the cost of being independent is no joke. But i also don't think i would have that sense of fulfillment that i do now Okay okay so you wouldn't have as film at all and as much as you have now if you weren't musician not think so because this there's something about being music's me about being being artists. In general like i would have probably gotten into art but somebody about informing on stage being musicians and being able to relate that instant motion with other people. I think i mean you can find it. Similarly than forming arts steeler. But there's just something about music where you can also put on in the background. People will to influence the mother not. They're actively listening to the song being played in the restaurant in the mall. There's a reason they place her in some places. So yeah oh yeah immune sphere. Universal music goes with everything. And i've seen music and i've seen how music has changed. It seems contains a law. Oh yeah i say with everything. Lay like the malting who's ever example. They have different types of music. Like a mike. For example shoes stores could pop music now to put rap and stores and interesting in clothing stores. I pa- pop music like like abercrombie. While i'm houston on over you auburn houston abercrombie. They play pop music in their. They play duleep the bike on the radio and that makes sense because they want. They want to represent part of that culture. They wanna become part of that meech so people are going to buy based on emotion of wanting to be liked set artists but also there's a lot of science like in the music that people play most make you shop war which looked into it but i've read i've heard about it. Oh yeah most definite and has been proven. I think music a music music. Part of science physical life science news music assigned to because it has major effects on wherever you played a replay it has major effects in it adds back onto a. Yeah thank you. Ever have elevated. He's egg yes and it drives me mad like it's there but you can't actively listen to it but i do definitely appreciate it for what it does and acknowledged that has a place society but it just if i were in the elevator and there's no one at talk to playing on a half to listen to it i can't i saw i lose my mind. So the Elevator okay. I definitely failure but one of my favorite places that they play. Music is like music stories They like to play jazz guitar. Yeah oh yes that that. I really enjoyed because josh josh harm as a whole other world it's holding monster. The way it moves in the week can keep you interested through. The use of the entire time was blazey listening. Music elevator. music not meant to keep you engaged. Just mentioned be back in the background. Oh yes oh yes. That's that's that's true. My music universal as people were take up more might music's universal he'd onto like you don't to like one type of music force then there's a lot of them have lot of genres of a lot of similarities. You know johnson broke. Music have a lot of similarities. Because josh you're off a she on harmonising on your own and baroque music. You'd have the The continual and then you would play off of that so a lot of improvisation steps lot of jazz. Improvisation stems role baroque music. I am an artist is at a more universal sound and try different things as we get more revenue more views. Yes if if they took the meaning of music universal in there they get more revenue. Yes definitely but some artists like myself can be a little narrow-minded. Because when i started music i was a purist and slowly. I've been you know opening up to using more electronic salads and having my records not sound like the played constantly live. But i'm still not quite there yet. Ok but you're definitely getting there. I've heard some your style and definitely getting there for shore keep grinding and you'll get there. I are high colt scotch and all. This is my favorite. And i have a list so you'll be adding some more. I list awesome. Do you have any drink. Labs in mind. This is a real question Shit come. I don't i don't have one because a lot of musicians that i really respect. We want to find a way to blender and although i have a song that was anti weekend a study either song that was kind of message model meet support iraq and i almost i. I used the riff reminiscent of the message bottle. Riff to give us too nostalgic too. But i mean i guess like i'd have to be with either like rostov. Who has for a vampire weekend as rose current battery. It's a massive amounts of week had fan or hockey with one of the european underground bands. And particularly i liked over law but unfortunately they broke up. So it's a really difficult question you're asking here man. Okay does your list. I won't check them out later. Eric awesome yes sir. All this was going to be a fun one. Have you ever gone through. A writer's block all the time like writer's block is one of the things that played micras musician and lyrically musically different ideas. Because i've been playing in running on composing since i was a kid but when it comes to writing lyrics. That's my my my my weakest aspects. I call it a success because my lyrics. It's not really a skill for me. But i think my rounded but y'all writer's block. He's one of the things that has plagued microbes musician. And they do with it whenever i finish this song until i eat maybe columnist after. Oh but i totally respect getting writer's block all the time. I don't think you're an artist until you have until you've had a radish bach. We'll thank you i. It's just part of life. You know like when life is exciting. And there's only about then you know you can write but sometimes there's a bit of mundanity in life which is a privilege but it also takes away the excitement and takes away the desire to express oneself through the art unless you have a way to extract identity which i tried in one of my songs. But it's not as strong as the others on. I see i totally respect care. Perspective and your views about the means the world. Thank you. And i'm sure not everybody agrees. But that's the life of being an artist right into that lifestyle. If you don't have arrives bach you're not a complete artists. I mean i'm on disability one. But that's just my opinion because rice block is part of being musician. Part of up as one is having that. Yeah definitely. I mean also for me personally. I've always been a former before. I became a solider. So i'm not as well versed in working around writer's block finally officer through it so i assume i'm at a disadvantage compared to the other season songwriters composers out there. I can see that one staffer noon are speaking of your music next. I wanna talk about your music and about let's talk about the opposite of writer's blog and opposite is a creative process. So how you write. A song really varies from song to song. But for most of my songs i wanna say most but the ones i wrote when i was starting song it was typically. It was lyrics. I and then. I would find a melody and then i would harmonized melody. And that's the co progression from it. Right i'd make sure that we're exclusive for the version of course find civil corporation. They call it a day. And then as i got more and more as i started writing more songs come as easily. So i would work with lyric like melodies that i would adapt and put lyrics to over corporation night already written out so it really depends on my mood where i haven't life and if the words coming up the music comes first okay. So all you're writing has to come from a mood to has come from appealing. Yes everything that. I've written resembles a point in my life or lend marketplace. Okay so if you're For example your album reflect sadness. Yeah i mean different songs. Reflect side next. Album is a whole winter reflects so much as it would reflect what i think would be you know nostalgia or a coming of age story because i wrote it through college and that's everyone's coming of age time so i like what you're saying so far eating intelligent appreciate you flatter me I wouldn't call. flattering kinda. Make things comfortable for you to make her at. This is comfortable in exciting for you trying to did you. of course. of course each happy it is a pleasure being here. You have no idea. How excited i am bugging me about the day time i other day and you said a day and i and i said i couldn't do it and we just kept going back and forth on that. I mean everyone gets busy right like we all have lives to lead and especially as musicians. Who aren't big earners. I want to say we're not aaa musicians or podcasters at that points. Everything to work around our daily lives and it can be pretty complicated sometimes organized. I'm most definite and the most frustrating time zones. Oh my god some people say they say five and then next thing you know because i'm an eastern people can be pacific central mountain and then they say five and i'm like okay and then i read a couple of hours. Play relies timezone cool down. Before where i said three and then again confused like they come like an hour early electoral leader dip time zones for you can never win. They give me a headache all right and as i. Sometimes i'll say another one. Let's talk about your music again. So how would you describe it. How would you describe your music. I would describe my music as john. Reid sandy rock but as far as like as far as describing it emotionally. I would say like. I said it's a coming of age emotional astrology. It's about my life it. It's reflection if why am as person if you wanna get to know me list the album through and through you hear about important parts of my life and experience several through and then when it comes to like the pragmatic or the objective announced music it's somewhat derivative of seventies and six hundred eighty s influences or. What people have told me. That's what they say. And it's pretty standard right to guitars. Lead vocals bass drum kit. Sometimes you have keyser oregon or something in the mix but it's nothing to different outside. The only thing that stands out i wanna say is the timbre of my voice. The rest of it is pretty run of the mill a little more interesting but will not always but sometimes but it's a very derivative as most music is nowadays mazda. Three and i'm pleased. Could you elaborate on. Why does your voice sando whenever you described music. I have always had you know. I've always felt my voice was different for better or for where it's back in middle school prank. I couldn't sing in two and i didn't. I wasn't confident in it but with the classical training you don't often find a voice in in the world poverty rock that has caught. That is classically trained. That has the color that mine does stem from middle eastern heritage hours spent training. Or you know anything in my life. Leverage developed the way. I've grown as a person to maintain my instrument. But i've been told which is why i believe that. My voice sounds different. Everybody's different. I mean you were the front. Oh definitely definitely but in the realm of like indie rock and pop rock. You don't often find. The vocalist uses broader much. Find someone who's things with avocado someone who seems to very straight tone and someone who might not be classically trained might not have the. That's what makes it gives the indie sound like the rugged. The ross out is that lack of classical experienced lack of prop. I want to say even the tobacco word for it proper technique most definite and ain't got some people that tried to mix deals from the rock and pop together. Like i've seen pop. Artists tried to do that trying to make sure. Yeah i definitely see the difference between those two listen to bell types on a very different especially in the melodies of larry about the definitely in the melody in the instrumental background us. It's very different. Yes the whole the whole like sound shape. It's a different world appreciated says soundscape. But i definitely get what you're saying so all right that'll be talked about the past and present a fuck about the future so laugh. What's next betty. what's next for you. The very loaded question As far as music. I don't think i'm writing anything new for the time being but way i'm doing is i'm filming to music. Video is in the coming weeks on as a base of tenths. And then i'm looking at shoot maybe three or four more. By the end of the summer or mitch fall. I'm also releasing an epa remix us for the persian song album called enga and hoping to use that's market towards the americans not that far east community community around the globe. I'm so excited for you. That's all that sounds exciting. Thank you it is it is. It's pretty static. Music video is. I'm the one planning organizing producing and emailing all the cast and crew to make sure that they're on time making sure. The permits are procured. But once i'm done. Once may sixteenth comes to finally breathe for the first time in a month and a half to buy the time. You can brave waiting for the past two months since the release the album. I have been nonstop trying to procure interview. Send out to playlists to radios. Find publicists work on logistics. And then i'd also you know. I'm also working for volunteering for startups in other words. So i have not so enough as much time for myself as i would like in those. There are a couple of weeks now as you know working our days and not even for money was just because i had did out a passion and did it's exhausting so is i'm coming like some burn out. I'm just looking forward to have some time reputation. Trophy just to feel grounded again Everybody needs vacation now. And then and other new things coming for you. And i'm on and i also wish you luck on all new things coming thing. The music videos. I should good luck and thank you. Thank you so much appreciate off problem and since we're on a happy topic let's get into some fun. Let's do it all right. So on this show medicare parts. It's when artists showcase. You wanna a rapper. And you are producer Now following sussex your armies edition. I do want to pulp showcasing talent. You wanna put me on the spot. That's how it works. Everybody has showcased their talents. Would you like to hear whenever you want. Let me see. I've been sung anything classically in a while. But i could that's by v thumping specials coming later as i said i will admit i did drink quite a bit. Last night's my voice isn't isn't the most procured as it should be. But i can do is i can send you an unreleased recording. If you wanna listen to that we can check and you're not gonna do it. It'd be. I would but i i know i i'm. I'm a chicken. My voice is absolutely fried from going out of town last night on a friday. So i do politics for that. If i had known that. I'd be singing today. I wouldn't have had so much to drink but in the world of classical music. If you're not prepared they will destroy you if you don't sound good. They're very very critical. See what your plan sent me a recording later storage. Some of course. Of course all right well fans out there for a little something show from this musician for something special at the end. I hope i didn't point but yeah you're going have something special of i'll have i'll i'll have a very low chee recording from what i'm looking for. I can't find this more A rare find. Let's say Verifying that special. Any disappointment i mean i totally get where you're coming from. I just want you to showcase. So i do want that has a recording. That's fine. I'm glad to hear that and remember your. I'm making sure everybody that comes here. Feels comfortable feels happy. To be here is want. Make sure that you feel comfortable and you feel happy. of course. of course next time if they do come back in the voices you know well maintained and able to actually sing something. Stellar must've now considered you in the future. That'd be great. that'd be pleasure all right now have something. That's really nice endure. He's not saying anything. Actually something that's quote unquote credits. Basically gonna movie this time shadow. Anyone say anything's Allows word who liked to give to anyone Anybody you wanna give him about of as if you wanna give anymore you know. This is the time so yeah okay. So as far as advice goes. And i'm still twenty three so i'm still laying but don't be too hard on yourself and blame for perfection. Perfection is impossible. And that's one of my big faults. Is i tend to cnn. Mix and try to pitch correct everything amazing with content and then you lose the humidity and then have to go back to square one. And that's just me me from a classical standpoint trying to pursue indie rock because everything in classical music perfect but don't focus so much on being perfect focus having fun and making sure the is engaged with. You and i shout outs giving. I'd like to thank my mom. My dad my brother for supporting me. I'd like to thank you for having me here but I'd also like to thank my mattress notably john you nellie sarah lawrence who helped me recognize. Songwriting and production. Hone those skills. My my teachers from case western doctor geared and dean southern and. I'd also like to thank from high school Depok marwa the late mr johnson. I could name so any voice features miss dollar the late miss andrea and my current voice teacher ron capone and that's off top my head but there are many more have you to thank. You leads. le- definitely help in your vocals. I totally forgot and a half to think of my fantasy supporters for helping me reach the points right house and forgive me continued support. And i hope. I can keep impressing you putting music that you can relate to Feel a connection to thank the fans. That's nice course hats. Nice and thank you for that little in credit. I also onto a huge. Thank you for coming out and doing this. Thank you thanks for having me a pleasure problem. The best part is this early. So i'll do it later. Of course and think of anything all make sure false social media. Everything rep podcasts at checkout all the other episode and stay tuned for more to come. Y'all were not dunya. We're not then not doing our lots coming in the future. Lots more coming so make sure to follow us and watch and tune in and chaco check out his tunes. he's dope. He's amazing thank you. I appreciate it that you so much for your kind words problem. Glad you have fun today. Thank you i definitely. I definitely thank you so much for having me. This phenomenal opportunity to be on this podcast. On a problem. I always look forward to meeting new people especially musicians and i think that is. I can't think of anything my head so on this. Could everybody thank you guys so much for watching for tuning. In and yeah. Y'all have a good one. I'll see you guys abiding body.
KISS Alive; Album Retrospective
"In one thousand nine hundred seventy five when kiss released a live. It was unheard of for band. That really didn't have like a bunch of big heads to release a live album alive album and a kind of best of album. Were kind of like you know to have the you know same sandwich but the state because the sales of their first three studio albums were kind of lukewarm. I mean so. They didn't really have any cachet to go so we're going to live album but the band was going so well on the strength of their live performances. I mean like the live. They were blew away like every other man like like some bans really famous and then get like pissed off so they put two and two together and decision was made to try to capture the energy of their live show with a live recording. They're like well people like alive thing. So let's do a live record. Make sense right. this is exactly what alive. The album actually did within a few months kiss went from being leaked his working band. Kind of mid level kind of thing to international rockstars and the rest as they say is history so on this week's lucchini rock'n'roll circus podcasts. We will tell you everything you didn't know about alive. The album that started kiss on the path to rock and roll superstardom. Get ready to rock out with your talk out. It's the lou rock and roll circus. No more little loves out there and podcast land is giving on rock and roll circus. I am your host. The ringmaster the ringleader. If you will hear the latini rock and roll circus we have the Current cast of characters as it stands as of right now is lily. Six rock rage radio. What's up and pittsburgh. Kevin from pittsburgh doing So we're gonna have a good show tonight as i said in the intro. We're going to be talking about alive. Kiss second week of each month is devoted to an album we take a classic album and just kind of go through it and tell the story of it talk about the tracks sometimes ranked the tracks. We have a lot fun and we're going to be taking your questions and ideas as well. We'll be watching on facebook. So those of you that are hanging out with us live on facebook good on you a few things that need to bring up first of all shout out to some sponsors a wolf's customs dot online. They do a custom instrument painting very very cool stuff not just like painting in a different color but they do hollow flash and engraving and all kinds of coastal so check them out wolf customs online rock rage radio dot com if you love to music. Twenty four seven years to pay for sirius satellite radio or anything like that. You can get this. You can take it everywhere with you on your mobile device. Rock ridge radio dot com download. The app we are the their sunday noon show. So that's pretty exciting as well. Please guys if you listen to the show on itunes. Please give us a like. Give us a excuse. Me a good review a like a like on. Facebook gives us a good review. You can write a little review gives five star rating and subscribe. That really helps us out. And i know oh my website you can go to lucchini rock and roll circus dot com There's a lot of great information there including the history of the podcast and things like that We have some great off. I four lombardi. Music dot com. We have some giveaways and things like that you can get on a mailing list. Lula bardy music dot com and. I think that's pretty much. Did i cover. Did i hit all the things. It sounds like it sounds like and i know sometimes i gue- you talk too fast but i'm just trying to get past all this bs so we can talk about the good stuff. I love the good. The good stuff so i think the we need is talk about this album. From nineteen seventy five that not only launched kisses career in a big way but kind of inspired a lot of other artists to rethink the live album. Kind of make a live album like just part of their catalog. This is our live album before then it was like he did a live where you didn't but it just became like a thing like after that was like everybody every have a live album so it really reinvent because pk kiss be with it. Maybe working with And i think a good podcast topic or any topic at some point might be songs that are more well known for the live version ed than the studio version so that might be something. We should talk about earth. There's there's a whole whole slew of those things sinking kind of thank kiss for that. I would say so Lily usually starts off with some like background and some ideas and then maybe we can go through the tracks at a good old time with his kiss thing here. Good old time. So i i would like to say that altered states is keeping my drink from freezing my hand off that they gave me a cousy very awesome band. Check them out some time anyway. Alive fourth album overall. And i live album by. Kiss considered to be their breakthrough and a landmark for live albums. Double album contains live versions of selected tracks from their first three studio albums kiss hotter than hell andress to kill was recorded at concerts in detroit. Michigan cleveland ohio. Wildwood new jersey and davenport iowa on sixteenth. June twenty-first july twentieth and july twenty one thousand nine hundred seventy five. The album's title was a in omar to the nineteen. Seventy two live album slade alive from the english rock. group slade. a band. That heavily influenced kiss that. I did not know From seventy three to seventy five kiss released three albums the ones we mentioned before although the three helped establish a cult following they were commercial failures. Basically great songs on all the albums but guitars. Paul stanley attributed the low sales to kiss week sound when they were in the studio versus when they were in concert so according to stanley i never thought any of our first three albums captured. The intensity of what the band was going for or was it was a problem because people who'd come to see many of them weren't many of those people weren't buying the albums they were just there for the live show and they were obviously famous for the elaborate stage performances. The blood the flying pyro and the crazy makeup so people thought it was more worth it just to go see them live than to buy their albums. was required over. Excuse me record over the four stops on the dressed to kill tour. I feel like i'm really echoing for some reason. Sexy i know right. The seventy eight minute double album. Comprises sixteen songs from the band's first album live performances featured elaborate setups for example during the song. One hundred thousand years crew members used flame throwers to engulf the stage. A ring a fire and peter. Chris drum kit rose high above the other band members and my next section is alive or not four before tommy lead in it. Yes yes before tommy lee. Yeah it was great. It was like the ringling brothers. Playwright enrolled the greatest show on earth. And that's really was the thing. And i just remember anytime. Kiss would be on television in the seventies. It was just like you ha- you wanted to see. You had to tune in wanted to check them out because it was just something that like no other band no. The ban looked like them like did what they did. Or anything and it was also produced by. Eddie kramer eddie kramer's done a lot of great classics worked with Mock pretty much everybody. So let's talk a little bit about. Let's little talk about the mentality that goes into Screw it we're going live. Basically what they did We don't do anything about that and it was the kind of thing that like. It was sink or swim for them. They just didn't really know what else. What else do But kiss sort of built their whole business around doing things our way doing things doing what they wanted to do. Not what was traditionally done. And this is no different. You should never have to follow anybody else's rules. Nothing should get in the way of what you believe in quote from mr paul stanley himself. Talking about the making of alive. Another thing that we were talking about kiss kiss kiss kiss honing their live show putting such an amazing lash one of the reasons and this is something that bands do all the time now but was this was really hard for abandoned. Had no money really behind them or anything to do. Kiss was video recording their rehearsals. Not just with a video camera like multiple cameras. Multiple camera shoots and there was one of the reasons why they like way able to hone all that kind of korea choreography and things that that they were doing on the stage because they can sit back and take a look at it. This is course now. Because everybody's on youtube but it was something that a lot of bands use. And i know a for sure. 'cause i know guy who. Who was in a touring version of this band of mana war. Guy was in a touring version of that and for prep for that. They did a lot of videotaping of their rehearsals. And they they would video record the shows as well and they're The bass player who kind of owns the band would really critique them very very hard after every show they'd have to go back no partying. They had to go back to the room and watch the video when he missed that. Cue you didn't do that right of a they. Never incidentally they. I asked tom. I'm like well. What about the music. And like you says there was assumed you would play them notes right like that was a total no. No you didn't lay wrong chords wrong notes stuff like that. He was all about like. Do you have the choreographer writer you were the pyrotechnics are supposed to be etc. So that kiss starts all of that right. Yeah it's it's really important too because sometimes little bits of magic happen and if you don't capture i'm sure you've noodled around on the guitar and just record yourself and you go back and listen. I was kinda kinda special right there. You know. And i'm sure it was the same thing with guys. Videotaping taping their rehearsals. You know maybe this guy would move this way and they look at. Thank god you know. That's great yes. Zachary right i i absolutely absolutely you. You pick up all kinds of stuff on that but just one more thing about the visuals is jean said. We provide a soundtrack for our visuals. That's how important the visual aspect is. So you can imagine abandons doing that you have to like well how do we come across on record. Like i know that. A lot of people Show that evidence. Well say they suck you could because they just do stuff liven their their. Their music sucks. That's up for debate. Some people that feel that way but this is the truth is that they were kind of like. They don't want to screw themselves but back from sells new bit of a corner with this amazing life thing and then how could you compete with the record compete. Let's you know so do you. Have you wanna get into some other stuff on this. I have the question whether it's alive or not if we want to talk about that well Kiss had been hated by reading. There were basically ignored by radio And so so like they were. This is truly unkind. Kind of like an indie band would do these days because radio. You're locked out of radio. Just like your lockdown. You build it all on going just putting consistently great live shows. I'm so kissed was like the there again. This is kind of a you know this is all that they could do. They're putting out records but people like just want to go see him. You know we just want to him like you know but this this get them. Get them on the radio There's a story of fans surrounding a radio station and chanting and everything like that until the radio station played kiss so all these things happen in a very short period of time after the band had released a live Eddie kramer was concerned with translating their live show onto vinyl so they tried to jump around less notes. more but didn't the results were initially disappointing. So lily wants to kind of has some information on that so music fans consider it to be alive to be one of the greatest live albums of all time Spoken in the same breath as peter. Ercudi frampton comes alive. I don't even know. I said his first name. Cheap trick. buddha khan and deep purple made in japan. I know right. I wanted to say it all right and there. It is always a dirty joke on thousands of young new guitar players particularly the grunge era eager to emulate this extreme heroism of ace relief kissing producer. Eddie kramer did record. Live shows kiss wild and energetic. Stage presence did not translate well to the live recordings. When they listened back to the types there were no performances. That satisfied them Kiss where to rambunctious live. They were busy jumping around entertaining the crowd not paying attention to each and every note for the live live albums they weren't looking for perfection just performances without glaring mistakes or noise. I guess i could see that because they are all over the place when they were playing. Well you got imagine you run from one side and stage to the other during the solar gotta sing on that note. You your breath. Not quite to the mic. Quite in time. You know. Stanley and simmons had several miscues such as playing the wrong knocking over mike and not singing directly into the mike Producer eddie kramer new. The significant dubbing was needed to make the album sound good for many years kiss denied the use of dubbing on alive instead of two thousand one outta by autobiography. He said there have always been rumors that alive. The alive record was substantially reworked in the studio. It's not true what we wanted and what we got was proof of. The band's rawness and power then it was on until two thousand and three episode of ultimate albums that kiss admitted to over dubbing stanley said we what we felt was necessary was to capture the energy of the performance. Not necessarily having it note for note of what actually happened. Simmons said most people assume it was alive. It wasn't no chain. No chase and Eddie kramer and the band re recorded. Approximately percent of the album kiss recorded parts of the album at electric lady studios in august. The live recordings were so heavily altered. Only chris drum tracks remained untouched. Even the audience was doctored as kramer splice together. The best cheers and screams from the various performances. The band wanted to One of the listener to feel that they were in fact. The the audience was watching the show. Since directly recording an audience would not sound good. This was considered to be the next next best solution. So i ally and then admit it lest you think that kiss was committing some sort of like sin with this or doing something like really untoward. Here's a list of the new phoenix times of live albums. That aren't actually live. Okay and there were kissing. People are doing it before it gets. Charlie's charles mingas presents. The charles mingas quartet now might gonna get all the details of these things. Okay joey dee. And the star lighters peppermint twisters nineteen sixty one johnny rivers at the whisky ago. Sixty four the beach boys party. Nineteen sixty five rolling stones. Got live if you want it. Nineteen sixty six Johnny horton onstage. Nine hundred sixty seven ravi shankar at woodstock nineteen seventy james brown nineteen seventy carlos. Santana live with buddy miles. Seventy two and then. Finally we get the wrong here to today's kip delayed. That's probably because they know it's obvious they might be giants from one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. Marc bolan acoustic warrior. Ninety nine the black lips two thousand seven it goes on and on. It's been happening couch so a lot of albums at a lot of work done and and this is just list of blake. People the wants people for sure There's i i'm sure that blend of things even on very beloved albums were taken back and fixed so what. Let me try to break this down for people that don't play. Music may not completely a get this or feel ripped off because they even dubbed in some crowd noises on the so much that you can capture and you got to take it back to the technology from nineteen seventy five all right. The audio technology was nothing. Like what we have today. where you can make the audience up in such a way that you can really capture the thing live the right way Stages were different in a lot of bands weren't able to hear themselves well with the as and everything from from that era. Do you really up you really against it. Trying to put out a live album. Also live albums and studio albums and live performances and studio performances are very different animals. In studio things are super controlled. you know. and if that snare drum doesn't doesn't quite isn't quite cutting it you can just keep moving. Mike's around and try and different sub blah blah. Take you could take in the day before sampling of people who would take two three days just to get a snare sound. Okay you know you have to play show. You don't have three days. To move microphones snare sound. Okay don't constantly stopping to fix this. Excuse me but so so. So this is what you're hearing in studio in a way. Kind of kind of a conceit. It's kind like it's not really totally real. Yes i mean. I'm not putting down the great bands that went in there and did it and everything like that. But even those bands br under controlled conditions and able to do things to really make sure that they captured they if they had to do multiple times. Whatever to capture that you know doing something. It's it's a completely different plus when you're playing live there's all kinds of things you have to contend with that you don't contend within a nice controlled relaxed air conditioned perfectly you know you got your wheat on one side and your whisking chilling running around trying to put on a show even bands. That weren't kiss okay. weren't that acting on stage. You still and you're distracted by things. You sound like you're guitar. Sound is not eke Consistent from showed show. So that's kind of throwing you off and you know maybe the way the drums are set up and things aren't quite right and you're dealing with different little things. Maybe you gotta stand. It's wonky that has been wearing out for the past week and you're just whether you can't quite do what you wanna do so there's a lot of things that you're you're battling when you do any bands that play every single day overnight you know over and over and over for years. They the distraction of having to be in front of an audience is creates a kind of different vibe. I like to think it's not all venues are the same. So you're not gonna get found out of every show and you don't know what they were dealing with. You know how many substances they had to have that day or weren't able to have or or you know anything. Maybe maybe maybe the singer just ate a black one piece of chicken too many so he's like a little bloated and he's having he can't quite catch breath away. Wants things like that would never happen in the studio. You're you have to contend with when you're when you're doing a live show and you've got to multiply that by because of how active they are so you can understand why this would be very very very very difficult. But i think that something was right because it did the proof is they say the proof of the pudding is in the tasting and when people tasted it they liked it liked. So i you know. I know i know people hate cats. People think that they saw their bad musicians But you can't sort of deny what they were able to do and they are some trendsetters in their own way among certain things. I think you got a few more things. I was gonna talk about the reception of the album. Which is obviously i got. Four out of five stars on most of the charts alive remains kisses. Greatest album ever village voice critic robert last name. Sorry rated the album. Yep that's it The album be minus state Stating that he and the multi million kids who were buying it fall into neither category of those who regard the album as defacto best of and those who regarded as sludge still buying it regardless. If you didn't like it or not and it was pretty cool. I did have a copy of it as i was saying earlier. I think i lost divorce but it had little gate fold their signed little photos and everything it came with a whole bunch of fun stuff so if you have it awesome if you don't well then don't lose it in a divorce. Yeah there were. There was the band had signed letters. Yeah it was like a whole package of you. Gotta you gotta tour program which is really cool because you pay for those things and expand their like forty bucks. Yeah well that was two years ago got owing they can. They can be expensive there. They're great piece of memorabilia to have but they can't they can't be pricey and so kiss throws this in there it's just part of the like the whole kiss mentality of know giving good value to the customer. Basically like their whole thing. You know you wanted the best. You got the best keith. Don't get don't cases so let's talk about some of the songs that are on this album though many and it's seventy five minutes we're going to say it's a record. It's not just a live album. It's a double record live album. How crazy is that. Four sides four sides but yeah so yes you get the full experience. It wasn't just like they put like ten of the best things on an album. So you kinda you know. They sorta over delivered. We do have quite a bit of watchers today to okay. We're twenty three of twenty four minutes in gift. Some shots so we got chris thunder wolf riser. Tracy sampson michael goltz. Carry livingston back pedal pattern l. Matt riser one hundred million times and wendy trunka. Who is the wife of the gentlemen in mike and altered states and she gave me this cousy and she's watching. Welcome welcome welcome. So let's go ahead and get Let's just run down the tracks. I don't know if we could really rank. I'm not gonna try to rank one. Let's just kinda maybe go through them and talk about what the songs in the sort of like a little bit of a background. Final one side. One deuce song appeared on his self titled nineteen seventy debut album. In addition to being one of the band's most popular and most covered songs which is one of my favorites. It's a traditional concert opener. The song has appeared on many kids live and compilation albums. According to gene he simply copied the baseline of the rolling stones bitch and played it more or less backwards. Which i find to be a lot in these things that they sort of copied and rewrote and blah blah blah. I wrote this. On the basic said so the guitars ended up shadowing the baseline or variations of it in different octaves Deuce also had a special significance for as freely. It was the first song he ever played with kiss when addition to the banned. They said that we're going to play you a song for you to listen to you and then try playing along and it is his favorite kiss song today. Gene simmons stated about the lately. I had no idea what i was talking about. Sometimes stuff means a lot. Sometimes it means nothing on july twentieth. Two thousand nine. A live version was released along with live versions of one hundred thousand years and parasite in the kiss. Track one track kiss one track pack for rock band two so it was in a video game. I played that well rock band reintroduced rock music to listen to it. And that's that's a whole other topic. Lily yes your man is working hard. He's worth deuce when there were so gene doesn't want to say too much what he thinks. The with lyric are about so. Let me ask you lilly. Don't ask me that one. Because i don't even know about this Just like singing this one while i'm listening to which nobody will ever hear Well about sex like everyone other wine. Get your grandma outta here. My grandma and even pick up old. Jim is working hard this year and baby do the things he says the do baby if you're feeling good and baby if you're feeling nice you're no you man is working hard. He's worth a deuce. Don't honey adult bush. You're behind his years and baby. Stop crying all your deers baby. Do the things he says. do it. Baby if you're feeling good yes baby you feel nice you know. Your man is working. Hard is worth deuce. Okay so already now. I don't like the song saw you ruined it loo- first of all. I'm going to do what i want. Now i you know i was called a dude. Like dropping a deuce. He's worth your man's worth that's what he meant his working artists worth shit ain't worth shit rights because you actually are worth worsely. Somebody's when you say you ain't worth saying shit. That's like saying that like the thing that's worth the least in the world worth less than that wound. Yeah probably not going to do the things he says to do with the other the other thing i thought then then like i thought well. Maybe he's worth a deuce like like give it to him twice tonight that possibility no one. The audience have any ideas on what deuces about. We don't have any ideas yet. But i'm sure matt riser. Could chime in all. its right. matt. Loves kiss is watching All right so. I just we have to like. I love stuff like this. I just like these saw rock songs are kind of like little like puzzles. Some kind of like can put them together allied. Yeah you can figure it out for yourself or you can like story at tells right so. Let's go to the next song on the track. We're not there's sixteen of every song but we're gonna hit the mat. Rogers i got nothing on that one anyway so the next one is stronger in this very very important to me. But i'll talk about the importance. I released and seventy four and their self titled debut album. It was the third single released from the album and failed to chart and then released on a live. Aid is one of the few kiss songs written by gene. Simmons and paul stanley together stanley wrote new lyrics to stanley. The parrot song. Music was composed by simmons stanley's lyrics display his bob dylan influence and the song was featured in the video games grand theft auto san andreas and guitar hero. Too and this is one of my favorite songs because my very very first runway show. I walked to this song. Scrutton and strut. You did there. I chose the song we were allowed to choose. So that was. That's it So what do you think these lyrics mean pittsburgh kevin. I know a thing or two about her. I know she'll only make you cry. She'll let you walk the street beside her But when she wants she'll pass you by everybody says she's looking good and the lady knows is understood. Strider d d. Do you think she's working girl. Do you think she works hard for the money. She does where her saddens like lady and she gets her way just like a child. You take her home and she says maybe baby she takes you down. Drives you I remember my mom using this to me and it just brings back such fun. Memories i would. I would put this. I would put these lyrics right up there with one of my favorite one hit wonder songs of all time would be hot child. Labor story definitely sort of same idea. Have you have. You heard the donnas cover this. Yes yeah that's awesome. Yeah it's it's fun. I'd sorry paul. I don't see the bob dylan influence you. Bob dylan heard that he'd be like wait that's what he thinks he did. You ever see I'm not there. It's sort of like bob dylan biopic. I've not seen it. I've seen it but there's a funny scene in the movie where somebody and he says. Hey what do you think of the rolling stones is oh you mean that british cover band. That's good oh goodness okay. So we're having a good time. You're so before we before we have too much fun. Somebody saying something No checking all the pages check back. Let's go to one of my favorite kiss songs. Let's talk about the hunter. That's a good one one hundred released on their second album of the same name in nineteen seventy four Written by the band's guitarist paul stanley and displays the heavy influence on the band. Free or of the bantry despite being rarely performed during the years hotter than hell has appeared on. Many of the band's albums It was basically a rewrite of the free song all right now due to the fact that stanley was a big fan of free in. The song meant a lot to him. I'm it was written about an encounter with somebody in a bar and then at the end of the song i didn't know quite how to end it. Stanley said so. I came up with this river. That was kind of like a black sabbath and they tacked on during the tv movie. Kiss meets the phantom of the park which is hysterical. I haven't the evil kiss. Performed a version of the song retitled rip destroy in order to incite to riot She looked good. She looked hotter than hell. I love this all dressed in satins and lace. I looked at her and it was just to clear. I had to get on the chase. He says seattle. Take you home this just so much we could do. Let's take you all around the whole wide world before the evening is through hot hot hotter than hell. You know. she's gonna leave you. Well done hell burn. You like the midday sun that brilliant lyrics right that is so deep like when he's talking about hot and then he's talking about health like roy who would have ever. Who would who fought the to those together. Like amrelien pick was an ice cream while all i'm saying is i need bread longest. I don't like this won't affect your. Performance will digress. Because i think we're trying to say is the key. The kiss calling realized spinal tap away especially when it came to their legs. Which quite frankly really right. This could be the lyrics to big bottom. Exactly right it's it's like a parody. I luv kissel it. Like i might my buddy kerry. Who's a great musician in his own right and songwriter. He and i were talking about kiss one day. And you tell me if i'm not wrong about this. I think the i think kissing appealed. Their main appeal was to this certain age group. And then people that reminisced about being this age. And i don't know if you related as lilly but i think kevin i think all the guys in the audience will you. You boys reached this age where you're starting to get boehner's and you're starting to think about girls your i cannot really but but you're still playing with toys and reading comic books. Kiss is the perfect band for you because this is what you think like like love songs and solve our she look good the qatar hothouse you know and like this sort of idea that and this is a kind of reoccurring theme and larssen's idea that women are just sitting around waiting to have sex with you. It's just a thing women do. I still think that it's like dislike. All songs are just like women portrayed the size like we're just you know we're gonna get laid. I don't know what your problem is. You know like they were just waiting around. Is that women. Do these wait around for guys to come up and we do it ourselves. We don't like women like all women are like uber. Available thing right as you two should not have been thing but see. This appeals to that like just getting into puberty mail. This is exactly what he's thinking and likes the characters the makeup and everything they looked like monsters from a comic book offic to and it the sort of pseudo hard rock stuff that they do. That's like this is absolutely perfect. Right fits right into the angst of this. Now you're like real awkward in you know horny and but you still like your luke skywalker action figures and boy commerce. You got a closet full of comics comics in and then you're thinking your dad's playboys everywhere kisses that's great. That's great kissling exactly and so. That's the mental and appeals. It appeal to those people. I think initially but then i think when people get older it's sorta gave people that kind of nostalgia for that part of their life. They kind of get the kind of go back and be thirteen again or whatever so when they do a song like christine six teen. That's actually a thirteen year. Old kid lasted. So it's not you know what i mean so like. Get your minds out of the gutter bill. Thomas said the lyrical reading was william. Shatner as it was you wait. Busting wait there's more wait there's more there's all kinds of. Do you want to know more. So then they go they squeegee from hotter than hell to what firehouse seem run here from the self titled debut album. The track was written by the band's rhythm guitarist paul stanley during the live performances basis. Gene simmons had breathed fire with red lights flashing and sirens sounding. There are many incidents when this happened. One of them that occurred on december thirty first nineteen seventy-three at the brooklyn academy of music in new york city when the band was opening for blue oyster cult. Simmons hair caught fire for the first time of many times. See michael jackson didn't he didn't make it cool. Fire houses remained a concert stable and is regarded as one of the band's classic songs it's got a fan favorite a favorite status and the songs one most played songs in the kiss. Catalog having been played more than fourteen hundred times as of two thousand fourteen. So it's more than that now. That was the last statistics on that. Paul stanley wrote the song while he attended high school of music and art new york city. He said he was inspired by british. Rock group the move song fire brigade firehouse was the first was one of the first numbers that kiss performed. During the band's earliest national tv appearance including abc's in concert on february nineteenth nineteen seventy four and van halen covered firehouse along other kiss songs during their club days. That will of course of carving exactly they would they'd be they van halen like couldn't make the could have been they would have been a great kiss great kiss tribute band so woo hoo woo hoo. Yeah she'll adore you and she'll floor you with her wisdom and her vision you'll love it and think of it to you lose all intuition come on. She can move you and improve you with her love and her devotion and she'll thrill you and she'll chew but you're headed for commotion and you'll need her so you'll feed her with your endless dedication and the quicker you get sicker shem. Remove your medication dear. He's real fricking rock. What the hell is this. Should we remove your medication. Get the firehouse. Because she's she sets my soul fire get the firehouse in the flames. Keep getting one the second part. You're kind of james brown. Is this lucien. She'll adore you. She'll floor you with her wisdom in her vision. What in the world is going on here. Who all kiss who writes. Oh look look look kisses a fun band. And we're poking a little fund so it's allow enjoy yourselves. It's called they laugh and automated a bank. Yeah but they don't care. they don't care. Gene simmons can find a way to get paid from his podcast. I'm sure his talking about it looking into it flew we're going to ignore them Comb we're like forty minutes and hey quick shoutout customs dot online. Get a custom paint job. Done on your on your Guitar rock ridge. Radio dot com download the app lou lombardi music dot com Got a new song that you can download peace in the valley. I'll give you guys a little thing. Maybe of that at the end. Don't forget about nashville. Rock and pot. Expo nashville rock n pod. Expo dot com dot com. Oh wow the dirty jokes com. Sorry chris dot com go check. It is is a All kind of great celebrities are going to be there to get me some of your favorite rockstars and mingle with some great Podcasts like this one and other guys who were in the wrong podcasts space. So check a plus there's going to be kind of memorabilia and it's typically if you like kiss this typically a lot of kiss memorabilia from mobilia they're selling you can look at and stuff so go to nashville rock n pod. Expo dot com there. You go the omc there there should they should have dot com it. I'm sure at somewhere. Somebody has to have not cannot be the first time an wildest dreams to the let's talk about a few more a few more kiss songs from some highlights. The if you will from from alive so you pick. I pick he when you make me pick a bigger fan. I don't know about all that. let's talk about. She released in seventy five on the band's third studio album dressed to kill. Because i don't think we talked about anything from night. The song was written by gene. Simmons and stephen colonel who i think i said that roman cornhole cornell koro koro now see corn wealthy man i said it to. What are you doing this to us. I didn't well while simmons was in a band called bullfrog beer. Coronel caused the originator of the song with suman contributing the words and lyrics during evening rehearsal with wicked. Lester which was the original cat his name still. I remember him talking about that in the book. And go mike. That's kind of cool. The song was originally called. She walks by moonlight after the line. A line in the film. Honda the wicked lester. Version of the song as three minutes and seven seconds in length while the later dressed to kill version is four minutes and eight seconds long in the original line. she's no good which changed to change to. She's so good. I don't care about that stuff. Although the version lacked the original The originals congas played by session musician. Jimmy may lean the end flute as freely. Solo in. The song was based on robby. Krieger solo in the door song. Five to one starting in the same key and tempo was also self admittedly copied by mike mccready of pearl jam on the ban song alive and wondering that because of the grunge thing very yeah a lot of grunge like there was a lot of key kiss influenced music g remember guys remember the band monster magnet. Yeah yeah they're very kissing influenced band Some funny lyrics just like so. Here's here's here's here's rhyme. okay day. Say pay stay. Okay night tight. Oh pace day switching it up good should good should of course down around say stay. Good should good should see. That could be a whole songwriter out other than a few hours. The owls does but Yeah just like yeah man. He's definitely proud of. He's thinking of doing it. You know kiss tribute album. You wouldn't that be fun. Yeah that would be great. There's some i'm maybe another podcast topic might be like tribute albums but all by one artist so one artist as tribute the whole album out of those. Yeah oh yeah. Rains have a couple. Beatles records The country singer robbie folks has a record an album all of michael jackson songs. And they're very very good. And when you hear this on that you got like all these like really good songs exactly because it can totally get over in this little. Who reworking and i mean. They don't sound stupid. It doesn't sound like a parody But we're digressing a little bit. So she what else she got. What's next wouldn't do black diamond. Sure written by paul stanley. The song is the closing track. On the band's self titled first album are releasing seventy four begins with an kucic opening sung by stanley. Before a furious riff enters accompanied by peter criss on lead vocals. It feeds out with easterly solo than one chord repeated during. Who cares about that. I don't understand stuff. The live version is usually sped up tempo combined with stage pyrotechnics. That's cool stuff. We want to talk about and a rising drum platform. Who cares about how the music was made. I oughta musician you covered by the replacements and pearl jam later on and several other musicians as well but i like the rising from the cool stuff and he. I probably wouldn't have bought. This could rock and roll song. Kidding has a really cool riff. I think it'd kicks ass against break again out on the street for a living pictures. Only begun got you under their thumb. Hit it out on the streets for a living pictures. Only begun your day sorrow and madness. You got you got under their thumb. Woo black diamond black diamond. What the hell that means. Whatever but it's a it's a kick ass roof. We got hit cold core written by as freely and was released and seventy four The song is featured on many compilations released by the band. Live versions of the song were often extended for about two minutes. Due to freely soloing is considered one of the greatest drinking songs of all time by many media sources guitar world listed cold gin as number seven on their list of greatest drinking songs number. Fourteen on liquor dot list of top fifteen drinking songs and so on It's about a person suffering from poverty. Loneliness and alcoholism however the song's meaning is widely misinterpreted to be about The male sex drive but thorough legal analysis shows that this is not the case as freely confirms What the song is about his twenty eleven book no regrets freely said. He wrote the song while he was in the subway and according to him. The riff for the song was inspired by the song. Fire and water. English rock group free. They really liked tree freely was insecure about his singing ability. Simmons sang the song in the original city version and in most versions. Although during the alive worldwide tour freely would sing parts of the song and he would provide the lead vocals during his solo band. He performs it with his solo for when we worked with him. A few years ago was that was. One of the family did good song and i hear a lot of cover. Bands are playing this when my heaters broke and i'm so tired and needs some fuel to build a fire. The girl next door. Her lights are out landlords. Gone down out who. It's cold gin cold gin time again. You know it will always win cold gin time again. you know. it's the only thing that keeps us together and Yeah i mean of course you can't do a song with cold. The words called jin refrain in the chorus and then not people go Many shots rely getting fucked up. Many shots drank to this song. I'm sure so. We really have to talk about any if even if we don't talk about any of the songs this is the song we absolutely must discuss because this is the song if we to talk about songs like you never really ever have to here again because you've heard them say but why are you so many times are good. Because i think they're probably to be said for that. And what song am i talking about. Lily v rock and roll all nights. I've heard it about one hundred thousand frigging times released on the seventy five album dressed to kill the live version released as a single in october. Seventy-five eventually reached number. Twelve in early. Seventy six Became kisses signature song and has served as the group's closing concert number in almost every concert since nineteen seventy six. I did hear a different song. And their last concentrate with two and two thousand and eight. It was named the sixteenth greatest hard rock song of all time by the h. One was by paul stanley. Engine simmons while kiss was still in los angeles as part of their hotter than hell tour. During the group's concert akaba hall in detroit on january twenty sixth nineteen seventy-six damn introduced it as a song. That was it was written in la but it was. They said it was written about and for detroit The song itself was inspired by the slade song. Come on feel the noise for the courses. The band brought a large group of outside contributors to sing and clap including members of kiss. The kiss road crews studio musicians. Peter chris's wife Some of the road crew used their jacket zippers. To create sound the chorus of ma lives erosion of the song is played at the beginning of detroit. Rock city from nineteen seventy-six destroyer and it is played at almost every. I've only heard it not played wants as their closing song. This is one of the great rock anthems like slaves song. Yeah i mean And i heard her gene. Say that Shouted out loud was an effort to like create another. I wanna rock kind of has the channel long until he gets anthem. Eric and i think i will give kiss props on this song because i actually think the lyrics are really really good for what the song is trying to do. You give us everything you've got you keep on dancing. The room gets hot. You drive us. Wild will drive you crazy. You say want to go for a spin. The party's just begin. Let will let you in you drive as well will drive you crazy. You keep shout and you keep on shout and we all know the rest. That's like perfect. For what the song is trying to do. It's a great song. I think one of the things if you can measure something by well. Does it accomplish what it's trying to do And no is this. The most not bob dylan sorry. But or whatever bruce springsteen or whatever but it does what it's supposed to do. Which is it's a party is on your hands in the air. Party out rock out. I mean and it led the night where i find confetti in my bra from the concert there. Yeah it's just it's just like you know just a big shout for fun having a good time That's a kiss is all about. If you haven't figured it out day made money on having a great time Yeah yeah. I mean and i think that is something that bans really need to think of it. It's one of the reasons why a lot of people would go like. I was in different cover. Bands played all kind of different music. Bill how can he sampling this kind of music. I don't look at it that way. I'm paid to bring the party. That's what i'm here to do. And people were partying. And i'm having a great time because it relates partying care if it's frigging if i'm playing eighties. Cheese or country doesn't matter people have of everybody time we ever getting screwed up. You know people you know maybe making out all kinds of fun stuff that's it. That's it that that's what that's what that atmosphere is all about. So kiss alive. If you've not listened to it in a while it is very good sow. It is a very good sounding album and one of the things that we wanna say. Real quick is that as we said earlier. The live album really became a thing after this some of the albums that expired by this our records that we all know and love like waiting for columbus by little feat. live and dangerous by thin lizzy. The last wall snow at buddha. Khan cheap trick. Live rust by neil young and whole slew of others all slew of other albums that were just we. They suck kissed it. So let's do it and was it affective. That was the thing with the kiss album. It was effective. I think bandsaw like this can be effect. We never really thought about it before. His live albums. I think it's up up top throwaways. Maybe a little and the idea that no you could kind of make something special with live on. I came into people's ideas after that. So check it out if you haven't seen it in a while or listen to it in a while We haven't talked about this little wild. So s twenty twenty pg h. dot org If you're in the pittsburgh area this is a charity. That is trying to make sure that we keep the venues going here after the screwy. year so that we've had Wow you what's going on. Lots going on what's going on. Happy birthday baas skaggs so dirty. Lowdown and one of my. This is a singer as like. I thought this girl had a great voice and gypsum. Really big hits. I felt like she should have had more bacon. She should have worked with jim. Steinman more and this bonnie tyler. Happy birthday to bonnie tyler. Nick rhodes from durant god West was born on this day in one thousand nine hundred genius egypt. Shut your mouth. Favorite artists tell nancy sinatra boots. Baby them boots made for walking. Of course the beatles did something today. Well why wouldn't they do bears those beatles. That was one of the things. I took exception to with the movie yesterday because not only were. The beatles was music. It was a whole cultural thing. You have to one. Like if the beatles didn't happen would would like hippy. Culture would any. That really happened. Well that's how how. Because like because the beatles opened the door for all kind of experimentation and basically if they didn't do it like if in other words if we weren't acclimated by the beatles to hear then here the doors and led zeppelin all is the main none of so many things that may never have happened. We still be listened to do wop or something i mean. That's okay to brian jones. Mick jagger keith richards. Charlie watts visit branson's at his home and koch farm to discuss his future in the group students later issued a press statement saying that. Brian was leaving the rolling stones. See you bye Why why why are you on this day. In nineteen seventy. I made a big bit to say it and i'll never mind. Now say it now. It's just silly. Like some of these are like reaching deep. Purple had their van and equipment impounded by eastern police while on a european tour on this day in nineteen seventy after mistakenly driving too close to the border. I should do dumb Can stand more rolling stone stuff on the stand. Seventy four bill. Wyman became the first rolling stone to release a solo album with monkey grip. It peaked at number thirty nine in the uk and ninety nine out featured guest appearances by dr john. Leon russell and lowell. George lull law. The seventy four bowie started a four week. Run and number one with the third with the diamond dogs. Understand seventy four dolly. Parton was number one the us country chart with i will always love you song. He wrote for porter wagner seventy four paul mccartney wings number one in the us singles. Chart with band on the run Paul george harrison. Unwittingly contribute the first line of one part of the song if we ever get out of here when he said it during one of the many beatles. Business being gunned down. He's a good one on the stage. Eighty-five tissue fierce went for two weeks at the number one singles chart with everybody wants to rule the world shirt. That's a great song And we're gonna kinda just leave it there on the stage. Two thousand and three zeppelin were number. One on the album chart with their triple live album. How the west was won band. Seventy s number one album performances were from seventy two torah of the united states recorded at the l. a. forum and a whole bunch of other places. If you that is worth getting if you don't have the how the west was one box set. You should definitely check it out. It's it's if you love led. Zeppelin is a lot of great. Like archival stuff in there and superfund stuff. Okay lily v six. What do you do. I have a show called hot licks lily six thursdays six. Pm eastern time on rock ridge radio you can get the app rock radio or just go to ruggeri. Radio dot com all right and shout out one more time to wolf's customs dot online great work with refinishing different kinds of musical instruments. Any kind of musical instrument doesn't just does not just like atar or base or whatever rock ridge radio dot com download. The app don't forget to go to lombardy music dot com to get a your own copy with lyrics and a Interview with me talking about the meaning of the song go to lombardy music dot com for that. I'm going to play the song as we leave today. And i can see please go to tunes. Give us a good rate and review gives the five star and say something nice about us. We really appreciate. 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Rock Candy Ep. 128: This Is Spinal Tap - with Special Guest Writer's Bagel Basket
"Last night. I watched walk hard for the first time I still haven't seen it and I was like. Oh it's it's a it's a mockumentary and it's supposed to be about Johnny cash's life and it's supposed to kind of riffing on walked line and I can't sit down and watch any kind of documentary biopic like biopic bio pic we sure yes we've had this conversation before. Anyway You know I can't even watch this mockumentary I guess of a fake person without like comparing it to johnny cash's life. Yeah. Because I'm like, yeah. But like his wife wasn't like that. That's not how that happened also is mosaic pills and uppers downers. Like any like acid you never went to now Mike Oh my God meg, it's a fucking movie and they're having fun you need to fucking stop and this is why I can't watch movies. Yeah. At all and then I kept fucking it up with like I would try to remember today's topic and keep confusing it with with realize it was Dewey Cox. So fuck up some of it today it'd be like, Oh yeah. Like that part where you did that and you're like that's happened in the movie that was that was walk hard May. Okay. Lurie. I can. Refund up all the movies and fuck up. We, talk about music. But like for some reason, we're like, let's talk about me is let's talk about movie because we have a special guest stressed and it's a music movie and we haven't done a music movie in a I. Don't think since perpetrate any point is the only time we've done this. Yeah. I think that it wasn't like a bonus episode to talk about how much we hated biopic bio-pic. Yeah. The -biotics Yes. Today we're GONNA TALK ABOUT SPINAL TAB A. We're going to the movie we're GonNa talk a little bit about the ban imposed the ban I. Guess I mean the actors because Band there's a bad I'm going to say it's a band. We'll see it's we're we're we're we're going to get into this I don't think it's GonNa be heated debate I think it's going to be a very much. Of people agreeing on this as they are. And where you're Hosa Maggie. I'm Ashley and we have a V. special guests today. We have our friends Scott from writers Bagel Bascay and bio PIC are biopic stands for biography picture. That I changed my mind. Okay. So the crazy thing about walk hard is that it's four movies in one because they're doing. I'm not there the Bob Dylan movie they're doing what the line they're doing ray and they're doing the coal miner's daughter. Holy says a lot to put into one movie I never even like our doing ray because he couldn't smell and their tournament. Yeah I was wondering why that element was like. Johnny cash couldn't couldn't didn't. ENRA- when he does the whole, he get Outta here ray you don't want any of this. Were you where did you inherit? Like that's what happened Ray Charles like they would come in and they're like, Hey, do cocaine. Hey this like I didn't know that sounds like a bad dare skit like I did in high school. That sucks. She's socks they. She is insulted my fifth grade sensibilities. She can't say socks number fifth grade. Dare skits where you. If you were a Hippie, you had to wear a tie dye shirt. Oh Yeah. Well, it's all they were these were not like legit dare skits because by that time I think dare got kicked out of our school because the deputy that was doing dare was caught with a bunch of coke. That's what happens in every program that was out the cop who running dare is heavily addicted to sending and how do we know what the name like officer snorts let? You would never know kids officer snorts and I'm here to tell you. How bad cocaine? Here's my dog helper canine dime bag. BEAVER? Horrible. It's after dime bag daryl, of course, but like a smaller dog small. Small Talk. Naked Chihuahua Really Longo T. Really, long at Tommy Chang. Doug. Shitsu yeah. My shits you name time bag. My God like well now, we know your next dog. I'm really excited about my next docs. Exciting But. Yeah. So Scott tell us a little bit about raiders bagels basket. It's a, it's a basket that belongs to big that belongs to a writer. Yes. I never talk about where the name comes from. I I did once, but it would be like name dropping and I'm not GonNa do that Jon Stewart. But yes, the podcast where I watch movies or nostalgic TV or nostalgic movies or bad movies and I have guests on. And I just had Megan Ashley on for my season Finale and we watched ninety s and eighty s and early two thousands, music videos and boy was it a list, all my God I forgot. But. Now I do. It was a whirlwind many good ones. I'm just going to pick. Songs for movies. But those were the craziest videos. Yeah. You're not wrong. I mean video for she's like the wind was really fantastic. Yeah it's nice black and white with. Patrick swayze pictures of Patrick swayze. He was like we call that a Memoriam now. Pretty, much. When I was living in new. York, he was filming his TV show the beast in everyone at this point knew that Patrick swayze cancer I walked by the sat and he was smoking and they're like Patrick don't WanNa not and he's like I don't care how got like six months to live. I mean smoke if you got him, he's not wrong. It was depressing GONNA die. It's like well. Go out with. Lit Cigarette. Bang. With cigarette. But yes. So that is why Scott is here to help us talk about the movie. This is spinal tap 'cause like. This kid you come in with like so much trivia about. How do you know this talk? Like we before we even started recording your like, did you know about this story and we're like? No. Can you talk about that? You're going to talk about that, right? Was it was funny to watch spinal tap. I. Haven't watched this Movie Fox twenty eleven I think it's one of my favorite music films of all time like it's the monumental. But it's pretty dead on about the music industry back. Oh, it's probably even still today to be honest. Yeah or at least like up to like the past decade maybe. But yeah, it was. It's so good because this was moves you can keep watching it gets funnier every time and he's Older. Yeah. It doesn't get old because I got a little bit older in a little bit more cynical on my humor's a little bit more on point. It was even funnier than the 'cause watching like this is this is fun and entertaining the last much I was crying. This is fucking. I didn't have the level of cynicism to appreciate it twenty five and I appreciate it even more now because we've done so many episodes on seventies and eighties rock and metal bands that going back and watching this is kind of like, yeah this is how I would make fun of all of those spans exactly how I would make amazing. How spot on it yes and even I. Even though was even though it was made in nineteen, eighty two it's still like seems relevant. Also, most musicians who see this movie Ozzy Osborne did not go that. This was A. I do talk about that. Like I was one of my favorite things learn is how like I think for a while he sought it was a real bad in a real movie and he's like. Peter I picture him in the theater was ever to buddy laughing. Honest. Sarid, this wasn't what we were like Roy. St. Haven't even snorted cocaine. Yeah. Ozzy, Osbourne? The crazy thing is without Laverne and Shirley. This movie would have never been made. Yeah. Know that I I've never watched Laverne and Shirley, but I did not realize that those with six degrees of separation between Laverne and Shirley in this movie is very short down not even crowd reiner. Rob Reiner was married to Penny Marshall when he made this who is on Laverne and Shirley? Yes and also Michael mckean was on Lebron Shirley and he played Lenny. Thank y'all squiggle. What was it? Any. They had a band called money in the square towns and guitarist was Christopher. Guest. That's right. Yes. That was the first time he comes out as Nigel Tufnel yet. Yeah. It all comes together does the net. Time well, I mean I know we're not drinking somatic. There's talk about my beard night because I wanNA shout out one of our favorite breweries that we never get to go to because it's in Burlington. Oh. Okay. Yeah. Tonight I'm drinking it is rush. It's the oak shop porter say that again. Out of. It is from Queen City brewing, which is in Burlington Vermont in it is probably our areas because it's really good. It was really nice. They have a delicious hotdog beer the do which sounds gross but it's not it's just smokey. It's smoking. I. Think it's a first row we ever had. Yeah. which I have instantly became called the hot beer because it's it kind of smells and tastes like dogs over a campfire. Yeah I mean it's supposed to be campfire, but like we added the hotdog. The. 'cause we're hotdog. John. Jenner. It's Jenner, but in the best way. Yeah, it's so good. So highly recommend if you are anywhere near Queen City or passing through Burlington, please fucking stop there. The staff is very nice and the beers are fucking delicious. They got something for everybody you too I think so. I mean, unless you don't like beer and then they have nothing for you. In your shit out of Seattle like little snacks, ethical snacky foods you can go with your friends who like beer not that I don't like beer it's I'm allergic. That's might is it the glue in because I think they might have a hops. Be Able to drink beer I'm sorry she drink another for you. Here we go in you have sometimes I know you like to make signature cocktails Scott going on tonight. That's fancy. Actually did make one. So I made, there's this really weird southern drink that's called black gold which. Is Dr Pepper and coke and I added Jason into it. Boy I good. We. Dr Pepper and coke and Jamison. Yeah. It's like. It's like. That's asking a lot of my Tom, Tom so My mouth. I was hold the Saucy Jack. Jack and James said I'm out of Jack. The saucy Jim Oh, my God are you GonNa? Jacket. It instead I was Rainbow Rony you. Know. What show? It really likes that Yeah Johnnie the next time maybe put a little Dr era. We'll slash P your. Taxes only a splash of. Doctor? Dr Pepper, not actually year it. Sure slow pep. We'll pet salt and pepper. It's just the PAT. Anyway, but nice. All right. Cool. So we all got our fancy drinks going on. Well I I guess I should say drinking need. Ashes to it might come suppressing. Surprise but ashes drinking mead. This is a special. It is special this once the Helberg need works heritage five year reserve it is it is a tough bitch probably a solid twenty percent this point yeah. Yeah. I mean, this is the nectar of the Gods. So it is also the hammer of the gods. 'cause I'm GonNa feel this later you turn into thor. Yeah. Her hot second thought school was really cool. Good Times. All right. If we've, we've done enough bazaar talk. Let's do some more bizarre talk. But about spinal tap art. So today we are discussing the rock movie to end all rock movies and also everyone's favourite mockumentary. This is spinal tap is a feel good laugh fest the came about because three comedians just happened to be able to play instruments and once paired up with Rob Reiner comedic gold was made. I doubt these guys fully knew what to expect one the final result was released, but probably wasn't to kind of become actual rockstars. There are tons of people who believe spinal tap was a real bad and still many today who enjoy their music and appreciate all their talents because while this movie is a God damn gigglefish spinal taps tunes are well-crafted, welcome, pose, and legit. Elicit too. I mean cushion for the push it. Carter. Types on mckean. Can't even. But of course, we are going to get into the movie itself. Before that, why don't we take a little look at band members I? Start off with David Saint Huggins who is lead vocals slash guitar. David may be named for the patron saint elsewhere have grown up in Scotney London. But Michael, mckean The actor played him hails from the good old survey. Michael's father was one of the founders of British record, Label Decca, records. So music was probably an inevitability in his life, which is something that I didn't know I had no idea. His Dad had anything to do with DECA will there young good for you Mr mckeon senior? I don't know your first name. I, didn't care enough just senior mckean senior mckean. Michael Learn Guitar in his youth yet as he was getting closer to his college days, he decided acting was his real passion was parents encourage this and they're always like, Hey, you do you do they did ask him if he had a backup plan should acting fall through Michael said Yeah I'll just play guitar. Sure. Because his dad, the head of Decca records. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Okay Buddy. Works, right that's exactly how it works. One hundred percent do that in twenty twenty, right? Yeah. I mean I bet he thought he was going to be like one of those like stadium like guitarists I mean, honestly yeah. He told that story on Colbert and everybody just laughed and I didn't know at that point about his dad being a part of a record label. See I guess you probably could have just been could've session musician but at the same time, there's an element of like I, don't think you can do that Flores your life like maybe do have any career aspirations. Man Must be nice to like be able to say they're going to act or do music I mean and feel confident like I'll do out of them back then he probably yeah he could've made a career as a session musician because if his dad Started Decca records. He automatically has a foot in the air and he could be a session musician employed by Decca, just on everybody's. Album what did I won't play Elton John Ray. Toured with anybody so he probably yeah, could have made A. Solid career a little bitter. because. You can't do that. Now I don't think I need marched I would never do that ever. Yeah. Parents did not run decorators I've decided to call them now decker DHS. Portmanteau. For Time Sake time sick I don't have enough time. Say the whole name well I acting works and also found many places guitar helped Michael One of his first roles was playing. Money in money in squiggly and eventually the band lady in this Great Townsley TV show laverne Shirley. We talked about that. Okay. But not only in spinal tap also other Christopher guest's movies. Well, he had co written a lot of the songs for those movies on. I think I don't know if they want their musical he wrote the entire musical waiting for Guffman right and I I don't know if you won the grammy but he was definitely nominated for the one grammy and was nominated for an academy award yeah for. Songs. Yeah. Dude has legit music chops. Yeah. So and that means him in his wife him I want. His wife is a Netto tool. Superman mom from Smallville I never watched Smallville I just know that the one girl was in the cult that's near us. She was in next. Yeah nexium was like right down the street from where I used to love she's in jail now. She down the street from me no. Maybe in Rensselaer County jail, I don't know where she is though. World of Allison Mack. Michael mckean met his wife when she guest starred on an episode of Laverne Shirley Oh let's have Tom Hanks Rita Wilson for bosom buddies. That's right. Tom Hanks is on the insurance no he was on booze. Nobody's will Tom. Hanks was on laverne Shirley also. Wasn't buddies from Laverne, Shirley and taxi. So what we're saying is thanks women's. Yeah. Yeah well. The only sad thing that happened on spinal tap is I believe this is where the movie was making that Penny Marshall served him with Divorce Papers Rob Reiner. Oh, matching Penny Marshall coming up to you and be like rob I'm one of the war. All. Let's move on. So neck, we have Nigel Tufnel on Guitar Nigel is still working on his combined Mozart and Bach mock he's of composition, but the actor playing him Christopher guest seems to finish most of the projects he starts. Christopher cast is a Boozy Thuc in guy. We got royalty happen here. He's a fucking royalty. He went home yet royal from a long line of diplomats, politicians, lecturers his mother was the vice president of casting it. CBS like this fucking guy. He had no trump. He wouldn't have any trouble getting to where he wanted to get to. He's also a duke. Yes, that's what I mean like this. fucking. I don't think he has any more because I was reading saying barren barren is that the same thing as do his? Yeah. Your title is if you're a baron your titles Duke. He still has the title. His kids can't have an heir to the throne because they're adopted. But he's a Duke Jamie Lee Curtis is a duchess. Yeah he's Lord and she's a lady. All right now we're just now it's we're taking the PISS none of this matters anymore. It's just crazy to think that it is crazy. Christopher guest is like famously Dour and not very laffy in real life. So I can just imagine that the two of them are the most insufferable couple in real life they. You could possibly be around their story of how they got together is insane. How did they get together she? She was in her agent's office and there is a photo of him. Promoting spinal tap on the magazine cover he wasn't dresses Joel Okay dresses. He was dressed as himself holding up the album cover and she goes data. The I am getting Mary and her agent will as his agent and tried to set him up and he stood her up for a date I'm sorry. Dude. You're upright now. He. He didn't think she was serious like because if you're aging calls like Jamie, Lee, curtis the hottest actress in one thousand, nine hundred wants to date you and Mary you you're going to be like, okay. Thank you. So H, it's not gonNA fuck you over like that job to fuck you over so. So. She she saw him in a restaurant and he just shrugged I'm about to do of an actual face on a podcast, but he just went. And And she made the same face and then. They blew up their dates they were on dates they. Their dates dates, and then they went on a date got married three days later shit. All right. been together ever since yeah. No. Normally I'm skeptical about stories like that but. Oh Nice. Work if you can get it, he helped her get sober like I do not know she wasn't sober herb that she was drunk. I didn't know that either. But that's how she answers stories like Oh, he's the love of my life. He got sober. That's nice. It's nice it is though. So yes. We are all aware of his impressive filmography, but he has had his fair share of experience in the realms of music. He attended the High School of Music and art in New York. City then studied clarinet at the stockbridge school in Massachusetts. Later, he took up the Mandolin and took an interest in country music which led him to play guitar with Arlo Guthrie. In school. Then human. Arlo Guthrie our friends like look like I'd like Christopher but the same time like I feel like I would find him to be an unsolvable person to be around. Oh Yeah, right? I'm on. Lake he just thinks he's like he seems to be the guy just like it all comes together free doesn't Chrissy I bet you. He doesn't even laugh he just goes. That's funny or he goes That's when you know is really laughing or he does that one blah. Yes, that's exactly what he does. No doubts. Christopher played in his fair share bluegrass bands as well as rock and roll groups, and one would think he'd just follow up with a major in music at college but when attending the Tisch School of arts which put your finger up guys. Why Tisch. School of Arlington Dish Rice. He enrolled in their graduate acting program after graduating he continued down the path acting and ended up on National Lampoon Radio Hour, which is why Seth Green played. Him where he would create musical parodies of the likes of Bob Dylan and James Taylor, and etcetera etcetera. You can clearly see how his paths would lead him to where he is. Now with his films, he would eventually end up of crossing paths with Michael, mckean, manning him a spot to play with lenny squeegee and on their album in nineteen seventy-nine, he would play the Tischler not titular. He would play his character Nigel Tufnel for the first time. Just, like saying the word titular anything because the word tits in it titular tufnel. No invited this. We changed the game he went Tischler Tufnel went to the Tisch school. Much. alliteration. But also think he's up. Yeah. Now on, we mentioned the Tisch. School Music pinkies up. Here. I like to believe that he went to Tisch because there's a really good dim sum restaurant right down the street from Tisch his like, Oh, I can apply to be Titian I can get some dumplings. God I haven't had some good good dim simpson's I was in Brooklyn so you're right though. Yeah. All. Right. So to finish this up, we got Derek smalls zombies garrick. Derek the lukewarm water in the middle of David, Nigel's fire and I situation. Is played by Harry Shearer, and both of them seem to share the ability to be men of a many talents. Harry was taking piano lessons as a young as young as four years old. Then his teacher decided to make a career being a child's talent agent and they took him on as a client new go to additions and you just start picking up small parts and radio and television. After College here he got himself involved with comedic radio group called the credibility gap, which is where he met Michael mckean who at this point is clearly the central thread in all of this. Yeah. Hello. Michael mckean is I knew he is the glue edge, the cream and the Oreo he is the glue stick between the two pieces of construction paper. Is it weird that I don't ever WanNa be referred to as the cream in the oreo yeah. No one. I only said it because Michael mckean. So Pale. Is like Wath hail a source rex actually quick side now. So I never made the connection when I mean I. Didn't know who Michael mckean was. Mike. Really and then I watch breaking bad which led me watch better call Saul and then. When I watched it this past week like I'll God he sows douchebag brother. He's really good at playing a douchebag got. It was so hard for me to not think that he's a he's did okay. I know you didn't watch better call Saul Scott. Did you watch better call Saul? I. Couldn't get past it. Really I. Actually, I watched to the end of season three and then I didn't have cable anymore. So failure I loved I loved breaking bad but something about better call Saul like the fact that they kept calling him Jimmy and we're to believe that he. Created. This persona know yourself just call. Yourself Saul. Does he does get I'm here on my soapbox. Let. Me have this. All right. You can have a but like you know what I mean. Then go because he does such a good job playing Sol's douchebag brother when I see Michael mckean all you're fucking asshole fuck you. I always remember him crazy. Yeah I ask. So anyway, the point is like now I'm watching him be David and I'm like I, know Swiss laugh at you but I'm still really mad at you. I just always remember him as the Douchebag radio station owner from airheads. That's right. But they cast it him because of spinal tap. Yeah. Good. Yeah. It makes sense. Yes. Fun Facts. One of Harry's childhood friends was Mel Blanc Voice of pretty much every loony tune character ever. Really. Yeah. How is that possible because? Was He friends with a small boy wait. That's create all right. Well I looked up by maybe they weren't childhood friends or as a child he. Wake. Was it mel blink junior it had to be his son. His son, Okay Okay thank God. You're scared me for a hot second way. Are There Harry? Shearer is a lot fucking older than I thought he was. Or? Old Man to be friends. With an adult with a friends with a very much an adult man. I mean back then maybe it was fun but. Looking back on it. And the creepy part is that the fact that he does the voice of our two characters, it's like, yeah, that's how he would befriend a small boy. This is bad. Yeah. No, he befriended his yeah. It has to be June. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Junior that was yeah but or maybe It was it. But also he gave us a heart attack per second. Why Are we GONNA have to research this report or? Mel Blocks canceled. Well. He's been. Dead. For thirty five years. Yeah we live anyway. You know what? That's fine I had a great life. Hanging out with boys, you know what I incriminating this probably Sangley man we sing a lot of racist ish characters sits and was fine back back. Then let's not mess representatives. kilty. Right, it was fine to be racist in the fifties. Totally fine. Anyway you couldn't see the look back east space, but it was priceless. It's it's the fifties. It was just it was just two times you know and if concession you. Bring myself because I was. Okay. Okay. Anyway we're talking about spinal tap. Yes. What I mean obviously like their friendship all that stuff. It really really makes less sense to me now that this is the Harry Shearer that voices, all the simpsons characters which I did not know until I got my research. I didn't realize. Wow like principal skinner. Earns like Ned Flanders I did not know that going into this definitely. Ken Rochman Hair actually. Voice like a lot of the characters like requests. What I want to know is did Harry Cher as a child have. He was bored with asked. Jesus Christ especially compared to Lake Michael and Christopher it's like Holy Shit and he's Hi Mom can I have some? Friends with Mel Blanc. Sooner. Now we're starting terrible rivers that aren't true guys. Well, here he does have a small background in music. His passion really seems to lie acting and comedy which would explain why. Derek seems to shine a lot more offstage than on because you watch the movie like this is the basis whatever awake somehow this dude can be in a scene barely saying shit and you're like now on a soon Nigel's though. He doesn't have to say anything there is one scene where like just kind of pan to him and he just like bugs is our orbit and I lost it. We. Didn't even say anything the entire scene is just the way. His face is so expressive especially with that fucking mustache beard saying. And the Hare, it's like you're so small and hairy. And emotive. Have to do anything you're just there in your fucking hilarious. Yeah. So yeah, I mean honestly Derek might be my favorite part of Oh. Yeah. Definitely. And actually many Derek was based off of Lemmy from motorhead obviously in looks. Like fucking Guy Yeah I can see that but Harry, said he was inspired by the Band Saxon Their bassist Steve Dawson whom Harry spent a lot of time with on the road as they were touring before he was filming spinal tap is make sense. So. There's that. But Ian, Anderson of Jessore toll said that he got the name Derek smalls from the liner notes of the album's thick as a brick and passion play which the name Derek small appears and. He wants confronted Harry about it and he felt that. It was confirmed based on the reaction the actor who apparently didn't deny the possibility and seemed little like Oh. We got me but I don't know that's just what he and Anderson is saying I. Picture Him just whipping out of flu and just plain as he scampers away, do not go to WHO Did you face this are albums I mean, maybe high you dead. Hampers. Away. Kim. Every Or I picture Harry share being like really mean be like. We were talking earlier I feel like out of all them. Harry shears probably like the nicest dude. I'm. Dan Than it's fine. I mean, he won't sue US. We don't even have any money to like. Let's make a disclaimer right now he never hung out with senior Mel. Blanc Type of sketchy way they were everything was good and wholesome, and like they're all is the nicest member Isis member. Yeah. Best looking to honestly Anthony. Let's. All our check Mary kill. Situation. Harry sure. fucking Michael mckean an and. Chris. O. As in like in if we were in nineteen, eighty, two when they. Go back to spinal tap. So yeah, I mean like as there I mean. The ad their characters but no but the actors Oh. No no I'm with actors because okay. Well, then I would marry. A heterosexual married Dan. Have A say. Hey, I. Already said on my city of Angels podcast a pet I did that I would have had sex with Nicholas Cage and I'm sorry to resistance. In that movie using readily Now I would I think I would fuck Harry Scher your accounts as fucking game I would marry Michael mckean and I would kill Christopher guest. I don't actually have a problem saying this this this seems like it works I would I would fuck carry share I would marry Christopher guest so I go or then user him. Yes. and and Ben Sira Michael. I. Love Michael. McKee. Bag You right. That? I'd like to think that he's a really nice guy then if he's not. I heard the. News. Yeah. Sure. Spinal tap again when these three actors were brought together free TV sketch comedy special called the TV show, which is really confusing because you can't really look that up back in nineteen, seventy, eight it was the brainchild of Christopher guest was inspired to create something as equal as ridiculous as an interaction between abandoned their manager at a hotel basically heard them. They were checking in the manager turns the basis is like where's your base and he's like, what like your base you have it whereas the basis like I think it's at the airport still and he's getting get it and he's like now and he's like. Well we'll go get it like where is it and he's like at the airport. And an old timey Vaudeville Braford Ramu stage. Yeah Cash Christopher guest apparently witnesses thought it was so ridiculous and then like the idea for something like spinal tap slowly started to. You know create an his bran. So to speak, they performed a song called Rock and roll nightmare which in a way to spoof the late night musical variety show the midnight special. The three main members were accompanied by Lunn. Lampton wainwright loudon Wayne. Loudon Nieves are. Allowed, in Wainwright's Rufus Wainwright, I can't say loudon we'll none of them easy for anybody near right. Martha did thanks Martha. And Russ Kunkel and conquer, which is a great name on drums. This small sketch inspired them for something more. They began to develop an entire concept for this fictitious group in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, two created a bit of a teaser film called the final tour, which was twenty minutes of the antics that we would come to know spinal tap for very quickly and easily Abbas actually the money that the studio gave them to write a. And, they were like you're not gonNA write a script. This is all improvement dude. Because they didn't know what Improv was back then like. There was no. What was what's that fucking annoying troop. Ground Line is it anyway? It's no no I like them. them the ones that every great citizens brigade though there's that and then the. Second, city yeah. As its second city and upright citizens, all of them are really annoying. Let's be honest. I know a lot of great comedians have come from I, need a location and a place. That's the same thing. Location is a place, my butthole and my anus. Yeah so the movie came about from all of that. Yeah, and like you said, it's amazing because they were just like, yeah we're just GONNA. We're GonNa Improv all the whole fucking movie is improved by every single person. Well the crazy thing is that they just didn't greenlight the movie because you had rob. Reiner, who is one of the hottest TV actors at the time? Director Sergey But also Michael mckean who is also one of the biggest celebrities on TV at the time. Back. Then they used to they almost casted Henry Winkler. In Greece, because he looked right I mean he did though and he's not as annoying is John? Travolta. Sorry disclaimer John Travolta is a great dude and. Is, great, don't don't sue us. We now do we have to do we have to say that yeah. The movie itself it's just amazing how they created such like a ridiculous thing and nobody liked it. Is knew what the fuck they were. IDEA. Yeah And the the movie follows around the case you haven't seen it which what are you doing? Go Watch it. It's like can rent it for like three bucks. Or. If you have Amazon prime no, it's not free. How does not you have to buy on Amazon Prime? You can rent it for Voodoo though which I did. Oh, see I rented it from Google. Yes. I rented from Boo but at the same time, if you have the criterion channel I believe it's free there because this is in the criterion collection. What it should be hundred percent should be. This movie. Armageddon and the Rock are in the criterion collection. Wait a minute. I'm sorry. Armageddon. Because you know what? They don't want anyone to miss a thing I would not have mind missing that things. Wolf The movie follows around spinal tap, which is a band that is old and they roy really don't have the. used. To following that they used to I don't think they ever did maybe not. It's hard to tell it's it's fake band who knows what following had. Put Them. Goddamn good. Hey, they are the loudest band in England, turn it up to eleven. Yeah. Totally Works Tony Works and you at you have just like great scenes Lake fucking turn up to eleven it's still hits. Still Funny. It's still a classic. Why don't you just make ten the loudest is. Lash. God it just like only know or the see like an under Cedar? Nigel's got all of his guitars because Nigel's really into his guitars. And don't even look at it. Points adds it don't look at it. Just leave it. I wish I didn't even show you Rob Reiner, plays the documentarian is that the word? Did I make up? Documentari- documentarian who is who is what's his name? Marty debris. Mardi Devergie. He was supposed to Reiner was supposed to play the keyboard player, but he didn't look in SPANDEX. which that's what Harry share said to me it's like you don't look good and spend. You probably shouldn't be here man. My voice load behavior sheer. Rob Reiner's character follows them around and like it's just so funny too 'cause. I forgot how much like it went I forgot the Yoko situation basically of Lake. Yeah David Saint. Husband's girlfriend coming in and basically Yoko in the group she looks exactly like, Bonnie Tyler, also, Oh, my God she does yeah, it's very odd but also. Nancy vibe to. She kinda looks like Nancy was not an what if this movie ended with them killing each? took it to a dark place didn't expect it to go here but here we are. But the amps were on a Lebanon. When your answer always on eleven turn into Nancy that's just what happened. No. Bring Your amps to ten. You don't WanNa be sitting an Ansi where. These ones go to eleven. Why don't you just make ten the loudest no. Still. And I mean the classic Stonehenge. Scene is amazing. The fact that it's Anjelica Huston who plays the artist who created Stonehenge I didn't even realize that she looks different maybe very different it's. Well, she has blonde hair in like a perm. Since the eighties. Yeah Yeah. I mean the Cameos in this movie are crazy because you have billy crystal Dana Carvey as Mimes. I didn't notice that. Oh my God I never noticed that Paul Shaffer is the record store. Promoter Guy I'll my justice himself. Yes. I was like who is this fucking guy? He looks so familiar Oh, that guy I was wondering which character played because he looks nothing like I only think of when I hear what's his face hall she wanted him to take like a keyboard and be like spinal taps. Find All I've also never actually seen his eyes. So he ain't him with actual balls is weird. Really good. And an hair I've never seen him with hair never seen his eyeballs never seen him with hair never seen him not next to David Letterman yeah. He's in gilded alive where he plays a very similar character who introduces Gildas, Gilda radner slide supremes group and he's pretty much the same guy that he is this. Oh, well good for him for finding a character and really stick into it for forty years because other than named David Letterman's keyboard guy. Noam. Keyboard Guy. But. Other than that I don't know what else to call him bandleader. Yeah Hispanic later keyboard guy. She shave calling them shades. It's a Halsey safer hall shades, Guy Shaefer. Also someone that all three of US love is in this film an I thought that's why you pick spinal tap because Fran. Mrs Ask. He. I actually totally forgot in this movie. Yeah you. Read gestures fucking funny. She's great I love fringe issues like I always forget how much I like her to get off of her Dick. Dick Everybody. Saying but like the nanny was a great fucking show. Streaming because I want to rewatch the nanny only if you have Roku Roku. If you have Roku roku channel. And Shit. Now because my wife and I wanted to start a podcast called out on our fantasies and it's a nanny podcast. Please do. because. I love the. Anyway yes for. In it she's amazing like that whole scene where they have to tell them like, no, you can't have that album cover. What's wrong with being sexy? No No sexists. What's wrong with? The entire term they're talking both Nigel in David have herpes. Now right with I actually some young that they were supposed to. There's a whole subplot that David and Nigel were sleeping with the same I know all of them are just David Nigel but they are all sleeping with all three of them like. The groupie right and that yeah and it. Really is. Out because the movie was already like way lowers on. A they had sixty hours of footage. Footage yes. There's a whole. There's a whole thing whereas they all got herpes from the same groupie and then they had to take it out. So yes, and loved that they still have the seeds where they all have. Beginning like, why do they all have? mmediately cut to them eating at a diner or something and. Holding his and I was like is that GonNa explain it is David chew on his gum like what's going on I was so schemed out by holding as gum. Saving it for leaders. Why is it on your finger? Yeah. That's was be like one of Niger like the currently Christopher guest made that thing for Nigel but he's always chewing gum railways, follow them or chewing gum i. never noticed Taylor because when what's her face Bonnie Tyler girlfriend comes back. Friday. Around. she comes back in David's like sitting in the audience eats whether he's just A. He's like Lars fucking. My God, Metallica got so much from spinal tap. So the whole but they stole the gum from John Lennon John Lennon always have gum in his mouth that makes. fucking joint look real. fucking. Cool. Yeah. He always had to have gum and the heroine I feel like Sunday, we should have a why the Beatles aren't so great episode even though I do love the Beatles so-so. Heroes Episode I. Love Typo Negative Too. But like sometimes Peter Steele was. Not, great not great. I mean, honestly, we could have kill your heroes. Sorry my favorite musician turned out not to be a great guy who was it Harry Nilsson Oh yeah. He was not a great guy who hearing Nielsen. Did you ever watch Russian Doll No. Okay. Never mind. His he wrote all the music for. Popeye. Sorry guys. But Yeah Oh he wrote one is the loneliest number. Okay. Got Me now I know and now I know no, but he was a heroin addict. Quite. Well, he was the one that got John Lennon addicted. The neighbor. Ridge. Drug, attic number one, you should be on it yet the card. Twenty the. It's like he's holding a spoon and. Series of Tarot Cards. That's just like not actual Tarot but it's reasonably are I just have a picture hearing Nielsen in my head of just him like this shoveled in bathroom holding a spoon going. That would be called the ginger stranger. To Stranger. Right. So The whole scene with the like. Get into why I'm like Oh metallica totally ripta check. So there's the whole scene refresher yells at them like you can't have that fucking cover what they wanted was like a naked girl on a leash sniffing gloves nausea smelled weather smell the glove smell the glove smell the. Yeah I don't know I tried to make it more pointed. It smells. And had that whole things like changed cover and they just make it all black and they got clearly wear metallica got black album from you would think. So I think what I did the METALLICA episode look I don't remember that was two years ago but I think what I did the metallic. That was. It was over two years ago or so old that I think I covered that in there that they are inspired by that. But now I know that Lars also price they're chewing gum because of spinal I'm GonNa but you know why it made spinal tap look cool didn't make lars look cool. Made Him fucking annoying while remember when spinal tap tapestry sued. Napster. No they actually ended up years later making a website called ZAP stor. So they. Have their music on it and stuff. That's funny. Yeah. So I want to talk about. METALLICA's music. So God. Trump's now. More homework convincingly eight breaks during this lake five song. It's tough to I. Love when they make fun of him and get him to the Greek and I never saw that but you know what? Respect. I did see a long time ago he he steals Russell Brand's girlfriend and. Basically the whole time. Russell. Brand's. talentless. Hack. Whatever, it's Lars. Why don't you give another Internet company? What else is he doing this time? Honestly doing like, oh, nothing coke is. Yeah, he did he recently, he pretty recently went into Rehab because he was on coke so we don't against sued. She got addicted to coca. Cola. One from the. Hundred had. Diabetes. No user diabetes jerk Diet Coke soups guide. You know lars only drink diet coke right and that's like on the writer. Good seed in spinal tap though. But I want to fold it. You can't. Spread no you just fold the meat. No I don't want to do that. I like actually that was one that like me. Because I was just fucking. Read, What Is Talk? Just, crumbles Jeff was Christopher guest being Christopher. So yeah, you're probably right yeah. All doesn't it home he complains about. Jamie Lee Curtis is like. Activity. You know what? Would you eat yogurt just eat the yogurt. Yogurt just easier if you didn't get me off whatever I was addicted. This would be at. been with him for all these years. What if it was something really weird like choose addicted to pudding and he got hurt switch to yoga. The Pope I Alex. Great what is this called activity? Apparently, when she would go with him to promote a mighty wind, she would carry a taper Kurt quarter with her because people would come up to her saying how great activity. So she would record it. Could recreate it for commercial. Also, what is your life? If you go find Jamie? Curtis. At a movie premiere and go your ochre is really good. No, it was at an airport. God even worse. That's even worse like activities fine. It's a fine yogurt. Just. Yogurt regular. Yogurt. Does the same thing activity does? I'm just the thought of Jamie. Lee. Curtis pulling out a whole six pack of activity Harper's. This is Jamie Lee Curtis from now on. I'll of it. It's so good. We can make a movie out of this too right. But Christopher guest would I don't think you'd like it very much. He would just go. Oh my very funny ladies. Very funny. My wife is exactly like that. Yes that is what my wife is like. Matching and having to go to the freaky Friday premiere because. She was in that, Wolf? For only imagine all of the premier's that Christopher guests had to go with her to light drowning Mona free. True Lies True I. Though Christmas. With the cranks. Oh my God. The newest Halloween movie. I feel like Christopher guest doesn't like horror movies. Probably. Scary. I picture him just family there too scary. Yeah. No. No No. so much shade at Christopher Gasoline. Good here. Lovely. Lovely man disclaimer don't sue US I'm sure you're lovely Christopher guest I own all of your movies. Money. What else could you want? Yeah. Just like maybe two of my dollars today. So there you go. I just say for of your movies Mr Teen, the big picture I've seen attack of the fifty foot woman I've seen all your movies cut some size. We have given you money. We deserve to make fun of you right now, and that's the thing too though is that Nigel was what did you call it Latavius? No Harry Shearer is litigious. Yes. What Gis? Yes. Yes. Sued he sued the Simpsons people but he knew what universal poop people for now he sued the distributors a believe for not giving anybody any money for spinal tap like in January band. Leeann didn't get any think the three main characters. The three main actors only made like one, hundred, seventy, nine dollars or something off of it because like the distributor was just making all the money and not giving it to an outfit like a thing because they didn't write A. Script. So they felt like they could do that but I mean the fact that the Improv the whole thing I think is way more impressive. Yeah and I mean you can make an argument that they did quote unquote right it because they like blocked out scenes and said, this is what needs to happen in the scene. Right whatever you do gives a shit just get there now. Yeah. If you ever see a script from a Christopher, guest? Improv movie there's a ton of detail right of what happens so really yes. Blake hit certain points in order for the scene to make sense and move along move the storyline along. So have to have like certain plot points but like when it comes to what you actually say it's just like do whatever the fuck you watch making funny the script to a mighty wind is one hundred, twenty pages it's like a novel. Is it impromptu. Pinal Tags Oh. Yeah. Best in show as well. Yeah, they all. Oh. Shit, I didn't actually realize Anyway. This is spinal tap. Let's separate shaded everybody. Looking. Fuck that you owners scom looking. You give give us some movie trivia. Oasis story to tell waist. Okay. So the ban from a mighty wind, the the folks men. Them from spinal tap the joke is that like they went from being in spinal tap to grow up to be. Okay. The folks men came after spinal tap because they were somebody else before spinal tap. The scenario. Yeah the Thames Men's men. Yes. Yes. We were called the originals but there was already colliery weird. Yes and then they became like the other guys went to the regular. Yeah. We became the Thames men who? Okay. That's all is amazing. GimMe. Some money is a really fun and Dan. By. That's what that's the one part I kept screwing up with walk hard because there's like the part where Dewey's performing in high school with his with his friends and lake like they're playing like a song similar to that kind of like they're all trusted suits like back like when the Beatles were sweet little boys. All. The girls are going crazy the crowd and ripping their shirts off and I was like, yeah, that happened in spinal tap like no, it didn't. Watch me. Rocky men humantarian really did. So when they were touring back in the late eighties. Early Ninety s spinal tap I. Guess They went to England and Liam and Noel Gallagher. Went and Liam of course, lamb course. Was So. At the opening act, Lou was them as the folks men gone. And and knowle's like, no, that's that's the guys who are spinal tap. This is a joke. And he's like take me home I don't want to be here anymore. You match related to the Gallagher I. just feel like he's was just constantly like sad jerky himself off. Just, GonNa Wind Kit while I'm here that. When? Running away. As running away just goes don't go away. On. Yes. Good Song actually, it's probably. Take Museum, don't go away I don't know that one I guess I don't know her you just Marais carried. The should've? I don't know. I don't know her and I'm not even lying I just don't know it. But I just really like really Mariah Carey that. Moment God fucking. Of course. Liam was little shit at it. I mean, if you just hear Gallagher's, you have to end the sentence with what Liam? Knows kind of a ship back to though they're both the only reason it doesn't look like more of a ship bag is because liens even more of a ship bag? Yeah. No Gallagher, won me over with his hot ones when he did the hauling challenge and What? He he's pretty good on it to. Glen and then a week later address Elba and Elba threatened to beat up the guy. Who who was not the host but the guy who picked the hot sauce Oh, it made him cry Oh gee sell should not cry show I. I should. We should would come for you. Yeah. I Bet I bet you would oh, Yep, would hit it. Oh, definitely. For. Sure now. Now. Well. I just I. Saw To gallagher sitting there and watching smile great folk movie. I. Nine desist real. Well. They were at they pay to see the concert when they were touring on the concert. That's the crazy thing that they saw the movie they loved it so much because they thought it was an actual. Well, Liam thought a real documentary. You don't say. There's something about that Liam boy. And what I really like to is I appreciate with a spinal tap they would continue to tour and they would still do the stone hedge Fuckin- setup even live with tiny stonehenge tiny. Yeah that's in the hearts the pods that is like Oh my fucking. No. The stonehenge scene like. Obviously have seen it. I know about it. But for some reason, like this past week when I re watched the movie like that seen happen and I? Almost. Peed. 'cause warms dancing route. So they have like this tiny stone no big stonehenge and you wanted to be eighteen feet tall. But he wrote teen inches which I think works because they're British they don't they use the metric system. So they're not gonna willing inches and feet. It's the same markings. Now feed is one inches to yeah no feet and inches I don't like it doesn't matter if it's American ways of measuring or metric system really. I don't think that matters. Well, they don't use feeder inches the sentence, right? So I don't think that they use the dashes either yes actually I have a question because. Why would you even bother saying eighteen? You should they should have done centimeters. I found a whole look at me. I'm looking at. Your fault because the guys ignorantly you mean me I was just sitting here. Said, the guide would mix it up because he's English she doesn't use those things, right? Yeah. Anyway. The point is just like they end up with a tiny stone edge at the fucking doors dancing around it like. I just can't fucking ridiculous. It's like there's just like you brought stonehenge that like you put your start engine got knocked over by draw for something. Yeah. They would perform that lifestyle. Yeah like. Like I loved that they will bring that into their performance still. I also loved when they were on the Simpsons Oh my God. Yes. I actually found that clip, but I totally forgot about it. So good to be here and it Looks Guitar Springfield. and. Then they're like blowing the wind and. A fucking. David's like planet too far too much 'cause like fucking wig. Off Piece Oh. My God. I also enjoyed how every drummer they had. The neon had something to do with being short or small stumping stumping BP, and then the guy in the band during the majority of the movie his name was something shrimp. Then I never realized SYMPTON MAKES SHRIMP SHRIMP. Because when they were on snl as the musical guest, his brother who the same actor played his twin brother Rick Shrimp. Yes and then after Mick is at the end of the movie, wreck comes and kind of like plays with them for a couple of years. Yeah. Yeah. Because every one of their drummer's always dies ca one it just blew up on stage I like how the first one died in a bizarre gardening accident. But that's not talk about that was Ed Begley Junior. Who is in a lot of Christopher guests, other stuff and then was excellent. Was He in arrested development? Yep He was also in Transylvania six, five, thousand I don't know. But he was definitely, it is arrested development. It is a movie that starts him Carol Kane. Jeff Goldblum and Gena. Davis Right. Down and it takes. Their him in. Jeff Goldblum our. Of the paranormal and they go to Transylvania and Goldblum falls in love with Vampire Gena Davis I'm in new it Yep. Let's watch this. I'm going to send me a link I WANNA watch. It's on Amazon prime for free. All. Right. Yes. Suck. Yeah. All their drummer's die mysteriously but I love the story about their second one. It was like he choked on vomit it wasn't his own vomit. We can never figure out WHO's vomited. And and held the medical examiner whatever left the first remers. Death as a as undetermined something like it was just like best talk about it and her best bettas leave if a on solid or something. Yeah. Oh my God way they they rip each other and it seems natural is insane. It is. It's so good. Thing is amazing. So I was telling you that. When they were the musical guest on SNL, only four people knew that they weren't a real. Berry boss Wick. Who is the host? which so weird of all the people going to be the host. Bury boss Wake Lorne Michaels, Dick Ebersol, and Rob Reiner who was directing their musical segment. Yeah. I mean Rob Reiner would. Now I'll give him credit you'll know. Only God. It's it's so funny. I mean I'm assuming if you're listening, you can watch it and you're just also laughing at all of these as well. But if you haven't watched it and you're listening I don't I don't why. Are byles also watching it now, it very much reminded me of. The story of and bill still need to watch that. It's a really good movie. Oh, crazy and Ville is like an actual band and. The story. Van Bill is an actual documentary about the band that was poised to be the biggest lake eighties metal band that there could possibly have been possibly the only metal band that could have had success outside of Canada because they were from Canada yeah. And they just disappeared one day pretty much just dropped off the face of the planet and it turns out through a series of Lake Schutte Mishaps Shitty Management Shitty everything they just fizzled out very fast. And this documentary goes back to find them like thirty year twenty, thirty years after all of that happens. And kind of aware are they now in them trying to have this big comeback tour and it's just like bad news after bad news and it just makes you feel so bad for them. All may just kind of go back incredibly depressing. So depressing and they all just kind of go back to their crappy jobs in Canada like doing janitorial work and working at a high school cafeteria and. They're very surprising. You're like show you wanted a bunch of Tim Tomes with your Tim Hortons big. But it was really good documentary but also very much. Reminded me of spinal tap like they were spinal tap. In real life. Yeah. So type didn't realize there they they predicted NFL. Already much or they might have predated band bill I'm not entirely. They they did. Yeah. All angles like word. But because of spinal tap snl asked all three of them to join the cast and only Christopher guest in. Harry. Scherer took them. Yes. That's right. But neither of them even were on SNL for all that long either I think rightly Christopher guest. So here So. What did it was? After Eddie Murphy left snl they realized that they did not have any talent lined up. So they're like, why don't we find Comedians who are already well established I know that defeats the purpose of SNL. But they got billy crystal they got Martin. Short. They got Christopher Guest Harry Shearer Julia Louis Dreyfus like the got a ton of like top notch celebrities for a one year contract and then. They all fucked off. All the don't cancel US year. Like this survival years. A bit ears kind of the fun meat and potatoes of everything is that. They made this fucking movie. You think it's a mock you or it is a mockumentary. They're not a real band whatever. But like. Really, do become a real fucking band siskel and Ebert in their review. said that this felt like. All the documentaries they were watching about real Vance. Yeah. Like it showed them the inside of the industry in. Roger Ebert said it was the best movie of Nineteen eighty-four. Yes that's right. It got great. Critical acclaim it. Didn't make a splash as far as the box office goes was a mockumentary. Yeah. A mockumentary did not exist at this point and they did too good of a job. Let's be honest way to get a job. So they released the movie didn't make that big of a hit but those who had seen it it did stay in their minds especially when musicians would see it. Sting actually told them. He seen it dozens of times and he never knows whether he should laugh or cry others have told them the same like Eddie vedder Jimmy Page, Dee Snider. So many others have claimed that hits far too close to home. Yes. The edge apparently is like makes me cry every time. WHO IN BIKES mccraw every time? Actually that's British but I I'm not an Irish mindset right now. The point is, yeah. A lot of musicians watch this and they're like. Nah, this is what it's like they went walking doing. Well, he is watching it probably fucking someone for twelve hours I assume Presley. Gross and crying about it I. Don't know stings. It stings GONNA. Stink. Guys. Gordon. That's his real name right Yep. No wonder you must be not stink. But yeah after all the episodes we've done, they do hit home with the stress that torn puts on bands especially aging bands. So for old rockers, a lot of things seem hilarious to US probably aren't far off base for them. I would say that spinal tap is pretty tame compared to a lot of the musicians that have seen this or that they're talking about Oh one, hundred percent I mean also don't do the Cliche of like. The In any other rock movie at this time. Nigel would've had an affair with David's. Girlfriend. Oh. Yeah. He would actually the girlfriends I thought that's what they were going for A. Perfect walk hard. I was like they all had now I don't know that didn't know they went. They went the Yoko route. Yeah they went the. Way. Away Nigel and Bonnie Tyler girlfriend. Look at each other I was like are they gonNA walk maybe they're gonNA they're gonNA kill each other maybe they didn't realize. The groupie that Nigel is having a fling with. Is Joyce Heiser from the nineteen eighties movie jazz one of the guys. I don't know that one I don't know her it's. The movie where she tends to be a boy doing an article for her school newspaper. Roy Away School all I think I. Know that movie in the big reveal at the end of the movie is at Prom she rips open her shirt to reveal you know titties. How we have to do it like every time is this how we have to prove were girls take the wig off take you know the fast mustache off no, you will. Oh boy. Okay I guess I'll show you my tits then like really the crazy thing is she looked like, Ralph Maggio. Movie is Williams APP. Wake on young Ralph Macho he could have been a girl. You know what he would. It looked like the girl from soup away he whatever that's exactly what? thinking. I'm in there. I'm in that brain ears and I'm like you know who he looked like sleep away camp girls camp girl who's our Hilary Swank Swings Prettier. Then sleep away camp girl. Whose name Ralph Machos Pretty Pretty to know he is but like I don't know like you know. He would have looked like Jamie Gertz. Something somewhere notice sleep away camp girl in Jaime Garcia. You know it is. It's the is yeah. The two big scaring me. Anyway. The funniest part overall is the fact that so many were fooled into thinking that the satire was real life the number of people who watch this movie and wondered why do documentary out of band that nobody knows is way higher than you would think I, even thought spinal tap was a real band when I was a kid I didn't realize they were a fake band 'till. Yeah everybody is so good. And like we're saying earlier, Ozzy Osbourne was one of those who assumed it was actual events and when he learned, he was wrong. He has seventy should've known better because they seem time compared to what he was up to honestly our okay. But he he's not wrong. It was like you guys say like that's probably the telltale is that. It's not crazy it's not super debauchery. Yeah it's just yeah. They don't get super into like hard-drinking or fucking everyone drug. Jail yeah they're just shoving cucumbers down their pants and trying to get through the. Metal Detector. Nick that whole thing had to have been completely unknown to all of the rest of the actor has you can hear them losing their shit in the background. And Yeah, they must have had no idea. They probably knew he was gonNA do something. Didn't what God again I hear Harry? Shearer is just like that's it. You stole shall. Argue though that spinal tap didn't stop the confusion because they were continuing to on and off since the movies released in Nineteen ninety-two, they even released an album called break like the way. The company by a film called the return of spinal tap. Oh, break like the wind banks. Yeah. But the return to spinal tap was just a made for TV movie. It was and it it mostly you had to have showtime. Yeah. It's mostly concert footage, but there is there are some interviews and they're apparently was a an audition for a new drummer where we saw famous drummers like Stephen Perkins Jane's Addiction Gina Schock of the Gogos and Mick fleetwood Mick, Mick, fleetwood Mac. Maclean. Donald. Orders. Would Back Burger mix. It's just a a glass of Cognac and some coke. On top of it and it's a burger that has been eaten by every band member at least twice all. That's how you get the herbs. That is so you got to cocaine I think both at the same time. But. They were all vying for position and yeah, it's it's a ridiculous thing to watch but everybody wanted to be a part of spinal tap. And They were taken so seriously that they performed at the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert and they performed The Majesty of rock which is dedicated to Freddie however they're set was momentarily sabotage when Nigel's amp wasn't working He was eventually into a new one and they managed to entertain the audience in the meantime spinal tap at least people are like, oh, it's spinal tap. We're just GONNA have fun but some believe is guns and roses playing a trick on them who ruined his am I'm not giving guns and roses image credit and spinal tap feels pretty certain that they know who done it but they're not gonNA name names because it was probably them. I don't know I. Could See I could also hold on Hon. John. she I was Gonna say I could see guns and roses being asshole. So. You think. So why would they be assholes to spinal tap? IS THEY'RE PROBABLY Chanted Lennox. These John. Was Out and John. He's Kinda caddy is catty. What what if it was anti Lenox and we're like we're not going to say names but she's walking on broken class. GonNa say names but. I'm. Not GonNA say names no more I. Love. You's. Now I can say names, but she is into the West. We could do this all take. You know what? Not GonNa start the rumor that Anti Lennox sabotage not gonNA name names but women are doing it for themselves. All we could have also been a George Michael. Well, I'M NOT GONNA name names, but I gotTa have faith faith faith guys just for the record legalize annual audit. We are not seeing the analytics. Michael had sabotage anyone's equipment. At any point we are saying it was Ellen's but we are Elton John. Sports saying John Because he take go fuck I. Wish I did that we should credit can spinal tap? Back all he is the bitch that any is back for you out and John. I. Guess. No at this makes them more interesting on Elton John made a bio-pic that I actually liked because. He did with tongue in cheek. I haven't seen his biopic yet. Oh, rocket man so good. It's musical. Yeah. Say was good. Bohemian. RHAPSODY wasn't good Bohemian rhapsody boom but tear in Edgerton actually does his own singing. Actually Rather. Not. Oh He's got the voice of a good. I don't care IDA. Just. I don't i. Want the actor. Wanted to hear the person singing. And John I wanna hear Freddie Mercury I. Don't WanNa hear the actor. Well. He does have seen with Richard Madden with Robb. Stark. Oh. Shit. Is Hot though once again as a heterosexual. Joe. Ask. Your Wife. Comeback to us later tell us what you're right said yeah. I'm supposed to ever take notes please. Here's a twenty page dissertation on the line. She's already taking mental notes about. Your Wife is love you yet? Oh She has seen Rodman well, well, sure that scene and then teller a sweater. Tell us. Lovely I'm sure she would shoot dish tussle be. All right. So spinal tap has continued to tour off and on since their inception in eighty, four, eighty, two which ever. Hitting big name places including Wembley Arena and Carnegie Hall. They have released another album into those nine called back from the dead. Giving them a few albums discography. Yeah. They have a discography looking at all this. I'd say they're really more of a real band than anyone gives them credit for even themselves. I don't even think they take themselves seriously as a real band in clearly they're just having fun writing decent music when they want it or not any deadline they don't have to like adhere here any label. And now they have fans around the world making up legends behalf and losing their minds at every show. There are websites dedicated to them their whole entire just read it threads and everything like spinal tap is a real band. And that's what I'm coming out to say. This. Just to say spinal taps. And Rob Reiner. Even said that. Nigel's great ancestor is the six fingered man from. All that's right. That's what that's why it's Christopher guest. So crazy. That's right. I do remember that in an interview those really cute actually if you look at Rob Reiner's filmography from spinal tap, he had nothing but he went from spinal tap to stand by me to the princess. Bride. When Harry met Sally I one hundred percent God, he did stand by me Oh and then he ended that run with. A few good men. Ever, seen it. And misery. Misery. and to to basically cleanses Palette he made the American president. I don't know I want because that's the it's basically the west wing before the West Wing. Okay it was literally ridden Byron sort. He's the president. President and my Dick President Dick. We have an emergency president, my Dick. He's going be the fifty, fifty I president. My Dick. Maybe I'll enter the race. Scott are too. So got you came on our show. You made a dream come true. We're just talking about our dicks at this point I'm pretty much all weapon mouth guys. like we keep saying now they're music is fantastic. They're fine like even if the actors themselves, we might I roll them a bit. The characters are fucking of as yeah and the I mean, the home movie is pretty much Improv. That's crazy. Always impressive to me because that is one thing that I. Don't know how to do and hate doing so. Yeah. That's great. Yes, and I understand that, but I don't know what you're talking about firms. I've never improved in my life. I didn't have my Improv group and run at at all and you really good at it. What's that? Yeah I and I'm not saying that Lille's Martin who has been on this podcast was Improv Group was. You guys do such good Corey Feldman bits off. Her. I have been doing. Improv for wherever we just we just know how to riff with each other good though you guys do have good rifts ally Duke a job I'm always like how do you do that? We try rips like we try you. I can't do this. No, we freak out. Let's just go back to the story straight. Yeah. Like you can't be witty on demand. This just comes naturally you can't do this to me you can't mess with talent. Ashley we mean, after four drinks. Yeah. After four drinks. Yeah. Sure. I can be witty or I'll be funniest fuck at least I? Think. A few other people think funny to. Basically everybody listening right now you guessing incre. Funny, right. Chime in. Yeah, that's that's all I got on spinal tap today. Anybody else got anything else to add sky getting anecdotes that we missed. I mean just the fact that they were supposed to tour as the opening act for the folks men. When a mighty wink came up but then. happened. So that's so the band Green Jello which we talked about. Yeah on our. Owner which Yup we will be talking about when it comes out later, no way this is art. His is already come out were out after him or at the same time. Same time same week same day same channel way comes out tomorrow from wherever. In Africa. So when we talked about our music videos on Scott's what would you can go check out right now? Yeah because it's out now talked to videos or sold. I talked about the a green Jello three little pigs song and so green. Jello is famous for pulling like you know little practical jokes on their audiences shows and there was one tour where they booked this i. think it was two different opening acts for green. Jello and those two opening acts were green Jello. Just they all of the members switched instruments and put on like costumes and masks, and they were one one of the incarnations. One of the bands that opened for them was them dressed as different vegetables in playing each other's -ment s- The faulk and then they would just run off stage and change into a different costume come out as a different. This is like wholesome. Guar. Yes wholesome. They would tell me they were called out the pudding. They were chocolate vanilla swirl it really. No they weren't. They were something else but I would watch pudding they would harass the audience members in Lake Force them to come up on stage and July you don't remember that one year when Guar had the man eating monster that would come out on stage and gobble up audience members they pretty much did. This Is Lovely I WANNA be a part. They would pick lake the most jockey most pieces, of Shit, Dude Bro from the audience enforce income up on stage. Beaten by the stage monster, love it do it. So they probably got that from you know spinal but that tore it never happened with. Has Of. No this was after nine eleven. It was because in Katrina. Hello, yeah. Oh. Boy. Yeah. You know you guys ever noticed like after two thousand everything went to Shit. Yeah. This is a combination of Shit Tornado you're telling us as we're in quarantine. No idea what he says if you notice things aren't great anymore I saw America was going to be America was small green, not doing this. Because I I, we have to wear masks everywhere. I will lose it. I am this. Need to bring it back down. TRY NOT TO LOSE IT Okay Charlie we're finding Charlie. From always sunny in Philadelphia. Am Up to here to here I mean, honestly I am the Charlie the group you do get a little screechy sometimes wockhardt bitches. You check the breaks before we left right? Yes Charley Yeah Anyway. Yes. Alright. So Go says, if I can spinal tap, you want a good laugh shit's not great right now watch the spinal tap it's fucking hilarious. It'll give you some life again will into the album like. Birds. I've had big bottom stuck in my head all day for. IPAD. Tonight I'm GonNa Rock you tonight. That's a play on one of the Lenny in the squeak tone songs. Night after night, it's about two nights in a row. I didn't know that. Was it the bigger the cushion, the harder Polish shared I just like talking about mudflats smart girls. My into my officially taken big bottom as my own personal anthem it online. It's time I don't wait to find your home. It's big bottles. OUTTA. I love. Just big bottom guys. It's so good. Also the pipes on mckean. Damn. Honestly. Yeah. Michael mckean a great singer like nothing else to say about the dude pipes are good and also their attempt at harmonising is commendable Mike. and they're fucking Elvis's gravitate. Pound dog and it's just not booking. biking favorite while it forgot, and that is another scene where Harry Shearer just like Kinda stares at them. To help and he's just like, nope, this is the perfect Terry Shearer. In moment fantastic sums up his you think he was just thinking it's a duck. Oh. My God. It's so good. Yeah. All right. So go choose yourselves up watch. This is spinal tap. That's our suggestion for today. That's it. Anyway Yeah. So thank you guys so much for listening I. Think we covered a pretty extensively a ridiculous movie. I think we did. I think we did works maybe appreciate you guys so much and You're digging us go ahead, visit our website. It's www dot rocky podcast, dot com and There's more episodes and you can go find on social needs. We got instagram facebook and twitter shares, and you can instantly email us just private messages forever and tossed by your favorites file tap moment. But more importantly Scott. Tell us where we can find more writers, Bagel. Basket. Well, you can find me on all of the twitter instagram facebook. No one ever goes on the facebook. He's feeling kind of dead I know it sucks. But. Also I have another podcast called hell is a musical like. If you like Lille's Martin. Her and I co host podcast where I show her the worst and the best musical movies ever made. We so far have had two episodes I think by time this episode comes we'll have our burlesque episode coming out. I do need to see that still it's. Amazing It's amazing. We awful the lake so great when you have a line from. Armchair saying. You've got knocked up. Works playing center field. You don't God. TRAMPS and thieves in your the middle of that one. If you could turn back time. Now So so yeah, we have that podcast on we're on Instagram for Hellas musical and. Hell underscore pod for twitter and Yeah. You're busy little. Be was all your podcasts and all your shit going on. Are You not merciful. I'm on I'm on hiatus until September, because I needed to take a month. What's that like? Tell us about. I'm recording all the September episodes now. So it's it's kind of doesn't. Breaks. I don't have to edit anything. That's fair. That's yeah. That's nice. Yeah. God actually just and beautiful editing. I appreciate you guys having the on I. Love This podcast and. No talking about spinal tap. 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Neil deGrasse Tyson How to Dream Big, Think Scientifically, and Get More Done (#389)
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Neil welcome to the show yeah thanks Jim is my first time it is your first time hopefully not your last but a pbs Nova spinoff program Nova Science now doc Tyson also hosts a popular radio show and podcast that's a huge understatement massively popular radio the American Museum of Natural History Astronomy Section which is basically the Hayden Planetarium and so it's not just the planetarium their exhibits and lining the car doors and arriving sort of the constellations of the night sky all mythological characters that are up there and what Greek and Roman traditions were behind it now the first debut appearance of course that's the Department of Redundancy Department way to describe it but a not our first time chatting structure that had such a facility with delivering information in a pleasing enjoyable way that I said to myself then behoove influenced or inspired you when it comes to communicating the way that you do so I to your credit believe it or not such a facility with the content he just knew so much about the big bang and black holes and galaxies and stars and planets if you combine knowledge base humor facility with words and language and storytelling that was in me or at least the the rise and fall of America's favorite planet chronicling his experience at the center of the controversy over Pluto's planetary status his newest book brand new is letters in my life learning until then my entire life is small compared with how won't he's been alive right I mean he might have been if I ever successfully scientists I went to command of the content the way he hasn't plus he had a very good sense of humor as well so all of science received as being from Harvard and earned his PhD in astrophysics from Columbia University in Nineteen ninety-one in two thousand one he was appointed by President Bush to serve on a I I said to myself I don't know if I will ever learn as much as he knows now I didn't realize I was only fourteen later and there are many scientists or scientists or not good communicators there are many good communicators who are not good scientists or scientific thinkers Who are some of the people no one has ever asked me that all right here we go get promising start this is a good this is a good first pitch homerun right there so mission statement to achieve this was in me since my mid teens that's incredible and directionally said tenses and humor and tenor where I said to myself by the way it's just back up I knew I was interested in the universe from age and what the stories are and and so to hear how they told the stories and when and where they put emphasis I never forgot that and so so that was one side of it now another side there was a scientist also an educator but in this particular case he had some and it had to do with the combination of just you could just sit down and listen good storytellers right and that's one of them would be discussed only trips to various cultural institutional offerings in the city and in the region so didn't matter it would be we go to nine so this is a I'm already there all right so this is not a matter of Ood they got me now I'm already there but there is a coup- there are a couple of ten producing facility so we produce of course now director of that planetarium that very same planetarium but parents would take aquarium? We'd go to the zoo we'd go to art the art museum we'd go to an opera to play we go to a Yankee game giant's game at the time I don't know so but I just could not even imagine knowing learning what it would take to learn as much about the universe's he did but I said it would have a certain authenticity of origin I mean think of how many people who were raised by ambitious parents where they the parents really my local planetarium in New York City which happens to be large and significant so the word local doesn't really capture what's actually going on there it's from an astro physicist companion to his two thousand seventeen bestseller astrophysics for people in a hurry since two thousand six Tyson has appeared as the on camera host active which was to expose three of us to as much as they possibly could so that when we decided what we wanted to be when we grew up it would this world and that exposure was significant and I thought it was just they're just trying to get us out of the house but there was a master plan in place a master of in our household we it was a free expression of interest and when I first went to the Hayden Planetarium at age nine I was hooked you are GonNa Inherit my business and you're going to be an expert in in furniture you know whatever whatever it is so that was not going on in our household I know you're going to be one right there these pressures some overt some covert so many there's so many places or occasion it's it's a little embarrassing but it's true and so so yeah that's that's how began meanwhile my brother would we with expertise so wasn't just or your doctor lawyer Indian chief no it was what else do full grown humans do in hi it's seen the night sky from the Bronx who are grew up and you know you get a couple dozen stars tops and so I had no idea that that wasn't real nine zero pointed in terms of interest at the universes you mentioned how did how did that develop oh so and so I was not going to stop it or walk out and only later what I learned at that sky on the Dome was authentic and and your background does that negate the first question no no no it just doesn't negate it just the average is what was a home run you already score so now you are now the person to ask I figured I would follow up with a first by asking the the number question just for those people who wrote I mean you sit back in this big comfy chair I realize now that big comfy chairs that recline in the dark will put an adult to sleep immediately can I look up I see the night sky I whispered to myself wow this reminds me of the hey name a college football game a is there would just be something where we would observe adults doing pat's kid it was wow and then the lights dimmed and the stars came out and I thought it was a hoax because I visit an art museum and he was totally taken by art and would ultimately attend the High School of Music Art in in New York take my sister my brother and me to each weekend it felt like each weekend but was probably maybe one or two weekends a month but again these are things things you can do and so she's had a lifelong appreciation for equine sports and writing and so let's see so so I it was a first visit to the Hayden Planetarium okay so but she loved horses and we We'd gone horseback riding in Van Cortlandt Park there were stables there and uh-huh what's embarrassing in an urban sensors that to this day when I go to the mountain top observatory finest observing sites in the world and I don't mean to pit demographic against demographic or neighborhood against neighborhood but I can tell you that to tell the kids what they're gonNa make your doctor or you're going to be a attorney like your parents like your mother or you know I'd never could be an attorney because and I would ultimately attend New York the Bronx High School of Science so my sister ultimately was a total sellout and she went into Corporate America she got her MBA origin story and I wanted to get to the maybe some of the the inner foltz of the origin story I it it's about how many parents particularly back then is less so today but back in the day of urban flight where I'm stereotyping here but let's imagine you just federal but my my point is all of our interests are genuine and I think we've been happier for it but not hiding or approaches that they used for cultivating curiosity curiosity yes but before I tell you that there's something else I wanted to add mm-hmm inner need at at the risk of disappointing parents so yeah so that's that's the full story right there there's no backyard there's no swing set and so you save your first bonus check or whatever because these are upwardly mobile couples and then you buy a home in the where kids are not really doing what their heart wants them to do they're doing what their family wants them to do or what their family needs them to do unle sounds like you and your family and your at your parents encouragement us New York City as a learning laboratory of sorts and you had these weekend excursion get out of college you got married and you got a good job in the city so you're gonna working in the city and you and your spouse say let's have kids but we don't WanNa raise them in the city so that it was light polluted air polluted back then was much more air pollution and I had no idea but it was a very it was entertaining hoax uh if anything else comes to mind say during the week or evenings when families were together are were there any other habits or routines oh the interstitial time the downtime does not have the access typically new especially not you know you don't even so the fact that we were in the city meant yes the city was our laboratory and and this is another quick thing you suburbs and that's where you birth your kids and that's where you raise them then they attend suburban schools so when you go out to the suburbs you don't have these cultural how to drive yet until you're sixteen or seventeen so you already almost out of high school before you have a full up sort of driver's license and so a cult following but I think it was one of the worst movies ever made not not just because I'm from New York City and the government had turned Manhattan into a prison right the the island sides a year in New York City about seven day and so that was just your state of mind this was the nineteen late sixties especially the nineteen seventies its highest that would be one measure of the safety of the neighborhood that you choose well someone did a study on that and here's what they found they said let's compare titians neutral institutional focused in the city not only that on the weekend where the kids go they go hang out at the mall right ask this but I remembered researching it you can also ask the question particularly back in the very dangerous times of the city when I grew up there were two thousand less likely to survive age eighteen in the suburbs then you were in the city at any income level am and all the other factors of not surviving to age eighteen okay and you can say I wanna live where my chances of survival to eighteen and in the city and you wanNA compare neighborhoods of equal income okay so you go but anything that was made in that era so I wanted to slip in another little fact that you can ask the question what are the chances given crime is a prison they dumped criminals there and let 'em fend for themselves so holding side they did that to my hometown I still think it was an awful movie out when the homicide rate was around thousand a year it had dropped I think I remember reading this in the nineteen eighties but by the word right now it's just a few hundred those most of those homicides are between people who know each other which is very hard for the police to stop if you have access to each other so it's between you and your drug dealer that sort of thing right and and so if you're pretty sure no one you know wants to kill you the statistics are ordinary least safe for New York City today today but we're going back thirty years so watch so the study was what are the chances of dying before age eighteen in psychological health but you gotta wonder how low can you feel walking home after you've stepped over three homeless people what's that would occur in the city also suicides were higher in the suburbs then in the city and I wonder not that I have any expertise can you just said it way better than I just did learning laboratory thank you sat in the future man yes all yours and I I'd love to hear just minted driver's license or Prom night or you kill somebody else because you're drunk or you were playing in your front yard and the ball rolled into the street and and you say well what's going on there I thought the city was dangerous the city is dangerous but you know it's more dangerous driving nothing is more dangerous so auto accidents of drunken teens who just got their learner's permit or they're just fresh off the the city and suburbs the cities where everyone is thinking that everything is dangerous right so going back to study was done probably that's if you're a movie buff that's the decade that escaped from New York was made where I I it's got right I mean what how how much at the bottom are you it it's as Red Fox once joked and one is in in Westchester one is in Connecticut but they're both in commuting distance of New York here's what they found that you were two or three times anyhow just a little side thing about city life versus suburban life and as you may know there's a there's a flight back to from igniting and in fact in the late sixties New York City had only the smallest in any of our interests were revealed my brother my sister and my interest were manifested then my parents fed those interests so oh do the upper east side of New York very well to do place and then you go to scarsdale the well-to-do were Greenwich Oh well to do suburb of New York love inner city unrest relative to Watts or Detroit or Cincinnati or Washington or Atlanta there were cities that burned a kid and you roll it and you get hit by a car car related deaths Vaso they swamped the the the deaths from especially in nineteen sixty eight the the the most turbulent year of the most turbulent decade in the city cares this whole state of mind has basically I will come out and just say diffused whatever American history since the civil war the eighteen sixties so there was New York City and my father was active in that he was commissioner the so so that's what my father was engaging and my mother was a homemaker until we became empty nest and then she went back the city in recent years upwardly mobile people want and their did well in college and they're they're lifelong learners they wanNA stay close human resources administration and what is that these are people who care about you and what job you might have and what is a riot but the my parents start a sociologist active in the civil rights movement the nineteen sixties even worked under Mayor Lindsay back then just trying to keep the powder keg because poor people commit suicide at a lower rate that higher than rich people he so it's hard to kill yourself jumping out of the basement ran Fox that's the challenge here so there's there's returned back to the cities in the real estate trends in recent years but anyhow getting back to your point so astronomy bottom for low low budget and they would come home they would be my birthday gifts I had the biggest library Tongji so I'm taking down that path just to alert you to both my parents were active in professionally relieving the suffering of fall out and they sell high quality books for like fifty cents or dollar and my mother just find any book on mathematics or science any middle schooler in the hood and included brain teaser books so they didn't know for sure and but basically might have been a riot in the biggest city in the country with the largest quote ghetto in the country back now just call the inner cities last gasp of hopelessness expressed that's what a riot is and if you have hope we're going to have a job this summer I'm going to make money I'm going to do this their people us to the learning centers and you have art openings in wine tastings in an indie movie premieres and none of that's in the suburbs that's the others right that's their goal and here's a kid the astrophysicists so I have no clue how to help me along at all except whenever my mother no regrets and that was my wife's and my objectors with our kids my wife has a PhD in mathematical physics and I have a p with visit a bookstore she would go to the remainder table I don't know if those still exist you know where publishers they printed books and they just want to get rid of them they shake the tree the books art books for my brother and so the it say it's seeing what our interests are and then supporting it and that's I have no right right so they they were raising these book flags which ones did I that attract me which ones didn't most of them were good must them further developed me there to school and went on a guy got her undergraduate degree which he hadn't finished before they got married and then a graduate degree in general in this episode is brought to you by Helix sleep last year I focused on dramatically improving a few things I'm you know they were at some some of this is that how does the saying raise the flag and see what solution hd in Astro physics and people come up to and say you are your kids okay cadet mess up your kids it's up people only think that when you have science parents when they have lawyer parents or anything but our kids are into their own thing they're not pressure to do science or anything like that I have to yeah excellent thanks for that question so Carl Sagan it's probably the most with Jimmy Fallon so Anyhow so across Sagan had a very potent way of communicating is famous popularizer of science there ever was and I can't say is the most popular scientists that would probably be Albert Einstein or Sagen came of age at a time when Johnny Carson was host and Johnny Carson was a big Fan of science and more so than and the bookstore to pick up books on whatever had caught our attention and it's very very similar that's really what renew bikes or other things but my mom would always say we have budget for books and what that meant was going to the remainder table specifically and the thing is as I got older when I considered writing books myself I said suppose my book ends up on the remainder table we started around fourteen at the beginning this conversation and flash forward not not too far forward I suppose could you describe this cover is slowing down and they want to go to paperback so then they released the hardcover to the remainder table in paperback does well in another at another budget level but uh-huh so yeah the remainder table a love hate relationship now that I'm an author with we jumped from but that's not how most people remember him they must they remember him as initially author of some very very readable books on the universe as as multi time guest on the tonight show with Johnny Carson Johnny Carson the the tonight show host who preceded Jay Leno who preceded Jimmy Fallon so the only a handful of host of the tonight show also perhaps share a story or any observations about what people don't fully appreciate about him or don't know about him my family also my parents exposed us to a lot they would see what caught our attention and they didn't have budget leno was so Jay Leno in all of his tenure had very few scientists on I was on his show like the last week before he swapped out with Isaac Newton or or Stephen Hawking but he if you look at sort of visibility was a very productive scientist in his own right is the power of analogy and I'll give you an example says I'm sure something you've been asked before but I'm going to add a twist to it which is could you describe for people who don't know the name who Carl Sagan is and then the system and I am the host asked me you know trying to go hard hitting said Dr Tyson this is I saw two pound coffee can I thought about space missions right so he was he was really good at that and so I said wow reading science concepts and he I was already knew I was going to do astrophysics before I even knew he existed so I can't credit him for for inspiration to become an astrophysicist but what I can credit for me what I can credit him for is I heard him give a talk and he was describing the size of a of a payload in space mission so rather not giving the metric of something giving something else that is similar in your life somehow makes it real so that every events fourth drives home the scientific point that he was making so to complete the influencers on me as a as an educator ear observing mission right observing the Rings Ring System the Moon's their magnetic fields the gas everything about this attorney within say it was the you know eight inches by six inches he didn't say that he said about back when when the Cassini spacecraft had just pulled into orbit around Jupiter Excuse me around Saturn for twelve size of a two pound coffee can that I know exactly what that is okay I got that right and something that's simple okay if I'm ever in the position of communicating complex ideas to the public I'll try to make sure that I can fold doc it's not selling well if it's other remainder table and I actually that's not always true sometimes they just want to the heart cosmos okay and it's called a personal voyage and came out in nineteen eighty aired on PBS and that was seen I and Americans spend more than that per year on lip balm this in as well and I think my my my one of my best versions of this was I was being interviewed on the Today Show uh-huh now we all live on in a general sense that includes lipstick chapstick you know all the stuff we insight sensitivity to the human condition made cosmos something else it was like this is not just about the universe we said Nice things about the spacecraft was going to take a turn now I knew journalists do this so I was just ready had no idea how ready I was elven those situations and in the in the mid seventies why don't we excuse me after after everything I just said he went on and because when the show ended I walked out there was a chorus of p people holding up their chapstick saying we want to go to Saturn I started chapstick movement but all of that it's traceable to Carl Sagan's ability to find some other analogy that better shepherds of this world back then we were still in the Cold War so nuclear threat was real I was privileged enough to who is a colleague of mine fact he's got an office in my department they have that combination of wit forty years ago and you know invited by heads of state to places in this sort of thing and what distinguished that from any other documentary comes the question is a three billion dollar mission how can we possibly justify that expense with all the problems we have in the world today was a call to to it was a it was a call to action to become also you can follow up but since we're talking about science science communication I would like okay if I'm going to be stumped on national television it's not going to be by a morning host it's going to be someone who was like in the trenches in Vietnam one of those it's about why all of science matters to us not only to you the individual but to civilization and I am Andrian as the lead writer in that she While not a scientist herself I can tell I think by billion people it was the most successful documentary there ever was and that really made him a household name at the time we're now in many people's understanding scientists just this body of knowledge but really it's a way of quarrying nature how would you teach a class ah that his facility with that I tried to make part of my own tactics methods tools and tactics when I'm fine the today show and you know they have the people in the plaza outside looking in the window holding up signs from their hometown I didn't know this audio from the show gets piped out into the street and the question to you was how can schools and workplaces emphasize curiosity we can focus on the schools and the the answer I have which ah I would I would double down on that and say this shouldn't just be one class this should be an entire line of curricula that threads through all of your years in school that captured that the need to stimulate curiosity so yeah it's what matters is the budget career right and so the budget per year you know it's three or four hundred million dollars a year it's a bittersweet thing I don't want it to be on the remainder table but that's how I cut my teeth in this so learn how to ask questions and of course is typically are here here is knowledge and learn it rather than which at love to hear you comment on is there should be a class where you learn how and why science works and what the methods and tools of science do if you had if you had that as your mandate at where you you chose that as your mission what might the structure or curriculum look like if you were to teach such especially the the Co writer at two riders at the time and Drian who he would later marry and Steve Soda Anything about this what how would you go about investigating it you'd say well okay and ask orders right then I'm okay I'm not going to be stumped on the morning news I'm sorry I said it's not three billion dollars it's the cost of the twelve years and here's something we don't understand how would you probe it how would you ask what what what sequence of questions would you ask to to the operations of nature and the open ended nece I think I think is what stimulates curiosity because some of you to learn what this thing is a right and I mean let me just this may be contrived but it it'll serve kind of cheese is the moon made out of well okay if grammatically that's a legitimate question puts relief what happens if I block it from sunlight because looks like it wants to see sunlight what happens if I do that what happens if what does it need to live does it need soil does it need class would stimulate open ended inquiry in all the different academic subjects so not only the science subjects but also concern and curiosity and that's the potency of the series so so I don't think science communication in science education no one thinks of Cosmos as documentary there's something else going on and it has to do with the creativity of not only Carl but Ryan typically if you don't know and you think it's cheese then you set up experiments to try to test is it roker is Adam is it why why is that so the Oxford dictionary is every single appearance of a word in the history of the language let's say there's a sapling they're like a like a small tree growing say if you never knew if you didn't know in his ever been the same since Cosmos has landed on the land so I'm gonNA come up or I should say come up come back to a nuance of meaning and that's kind of fun to dig that up how can we never did that in English class that would have been really fun and would've learned then instead of two years ago that the word acronym acronym we all know this word you know what is it way can I wait what what are these things on a thing there we call them leaves what's the purpose of silicon as an active ingredient Iraq's so and silicon is a very common ingredient in the universe so so I think the hugh revisit and feel free to fact check this because like I don't want to believe everything I find on the Internet but this is this is from Harvard Business Review Learn that that word was invented to describe all of the abbreviations they came out of agencies and organizations in the Second World War I used it why is it that I did not know about the Oxford English dictionary until I was like twenty five or thirty with the usage of the word pivoted so it has not only the first appearance of the word but any subsequent appearance what where someone gave it a dip Korean into knowledge and if you can stimulate that then kids who get out of school will not celebrate the end of school realized that the modern word I've a dictionary from nineteen thirty nine and it's not in the dictionary it's an unabridged dictionary is not in that dictionary I would later acronym and technically it's an abbreviation that you can pronounce as a word so NASA is an acronym and Scuba is an acronym and laser is an acronym but Christians won't lead to an answer and others will so you know you want to hone that and you don't always know in advance which are the best questions to ask if you ask the question what the history and English I mean why not wait this word come from I don't know let's find out well here's the route here's this oh ah scientist versus scientific thinking because it strikes me that I've come across many people just the hope or possibility of developing scientific thinking and I certainly wouldn't call myself a scientist but I've greatly benefited from reading AH in travels public speaking and so on different types of engagements who would say I'm not a scientist and in saying that sort of throw out host the second of these COSMO's if that's the plural of cosmos a customer service in two thousand fourteen thirty four years after the first about many different things in this book talks about how to read a study in how to read journalism that supposedly accurately covers studies I found it deeply enriching invaluable in navigating reality are there any particular books or resources you'd recommend or approaches for people oh you that she's one of the most enlightened people I've ever met she's she's she sees and feels the science would like to develop their ability to look at the world through this type of Lens that you're describing so that's an important and insightful question I to trust the emergent scientific truths of scientific research and how to embrace that and folded in as necessary into legislation or policy either at the executive branch the legislative branch so so it's possible to be scientist basically literate and not be an expert in any particular scientific line disciplined and so what does it mean tapping back to a few moments ago it means knowing how to ask questions it means knowing how to invoke skepticism skepticism this and you will now shape a life long you're not create an arc of learning that continues for the rest of your life the time so that's not a short podcast not not only allowed but encouraged and I'd like to dig a little deeper on oh cheese you know do you know and you find out that none of anything productive why because it's not made a cheese that itself is a revelation it's made of silicates allows an open mind for things that you're unfamiliar with to be true but it does not allow your mind to be so open this is really important subject of course and you very long answers is that okay long answers are great this okay this is why we so that there's science that needs to be conveyed she will find a way to communicate that science says that you will never forget it that becomes part of your inner soul by the end of this you know so you're right not everyone can be a scientist and there's all this talk we need more scientists in Congress and and how and why it works and when people write to me with questions I know based on how they worded the question whether they read that book or not that's how effective I think it can be on the reader because it says their chapters because you should really be host of pocket if I haven't convinced you of that honor let you add that up it costs more than that mission and so I was very proud of and I didn't know at the time that this is it's higher unpacking the anatomy of of science a in that book and until recently that was my biggest selling book in there on how do we know what we know and why do we know what we know and what is our confidence in what we know and so there's let your brains spill out and you lose the capacity to judge what is true and what is not and so I I am or CIA are not acronyms 'cause you can't spell them out but I would have been kind of cool this inquiry this is free Russell or there's a book called bad science by Ben Gold Acre who's a an MD but who writes a couple of books that have done better than that since then but it's I'm very proud of that book in in in the summation of what it delivers to the reader and I think that'd be great but what you really need are scientifically literate leaders who know how it it's very helpful specifically for parsing health related information in media or marketing I in this in this effort to know what is true and what is not I at the risk of sounding self serving one of my and because then they everyone references them as the and you know this is how how Pulitzer prizes are given if you break a story the research frontier is ready bloody bleeding place and it's most things will be wrong and if you're collecting book names another good book is how to lie with statistics a cute little tiny book that tells you has left with the assumption that it's true whereas a scientific truth is never any one person's research paper ever ever water it looks like it likes water what happens if I don't give it water what happens if I give it coca cola or some so it's an open ended inquiry into hi on the list and I'm GonNa make a note of this other book that you're describing was a bad science that influenced you as much as you say popular press and you mentioned earlier that in in in some measure and if you hang out at the coffee lounges of scientific conferences and you hear a new result that could be amazing or devastating journalists can talk about it as the new truth but they don't yet the the the the importance of replication I think does not get enough has been imprint for like two years I think it came out in nineteen fifties so that would make it sixty years so that I think put that one very the the likelihood that it's true you just presenting true or you'll say if this is true and once you have that you can say oh my gosh this result continues to persist as the results of experiments even when the experiment influences the results you know who knows you just don't know so when you have enough different people getting the same result now the becoming a scientifically literate person is determining what sequence of questions you might ask to figure something out and is a consensus not of opinion I'm using that word because I don't have a better word it's a consensus of scientific experiments and observations get say a a a piece in a newspaper or magazine or online and identify what is missing right so if if somebody's they will lament soon they will meant what I can't learn anymore Oh yes you can because you've now know how to be carried acted by this person's competitor even conducted in another country where they use two hundred forty volts instead of one hundred twenty you know maybe the power of books it's called death by black hole in spite of its title is apt gory title it's actually about what science is hang or mind-blowing and you write an article about it what you're not doing as a journalist is honestly presenting the is true why did the admissions office of Cornell University forward your application to Carl's attention oh yes so and unknown to me they forwarded my application to him they had already accepted me and they says eating bananas doubles the risk of colorectal cancer or something like that right there a bunch of questions which like how did you determine that how many bananas when I was seventeen a senior in high school applying to college I cornell where crossing was professor was one of the schools I applied to him to get his reaction to it and my application was dripping with the universe I was in astronomy club I walk dogs to buy my own telescope you all the things that people want to fool you into thinking something that's true that's not and how they manipulate statistics in order to accomplish this it's it's imprint this will revolutionize everything and and then you leave that phrase in the in the first sentence of the article and all the rest of the article assumes it's true and so the reader the few things that are right are demonstrated to be right because of verified other research that supports and so what you're looking for okay then I'm going to check it out it's it's a it's a good book it's by Ben Gold Acre gold an acre like the parcel of land and I think already accepted me is that right actually it doesn't matter at this point they afforded Dan so one thing I have to say is the press in in all fairness to them they want to each journalist wants to be the first to break a story I want to in part because Carl Sagan it's one of those people I I would have loved to have met I would have loved to have had a chance to meet him if this is I think you'll enjoy Benz work than I can I can point you to some of it because it'll it'll help readers to at the very least ah the glory days of dog walking before you had to clean up after cooper laws and I he says pause just to mention that this is deja Vu all over again for me it's the first time I've had a guest describe exactly what happened with is it really something that you need to worry about and right because we remember the were doubled without reference to the baseline which you w are you injecting bananas interrupts are comparable to humans and if if double to me is that the risk went from one in twenty million to twenty million mile could have been syndicated could have been copied and pasted who does what agreement they have right because why would carbon business they care about me at all so yes but that entire quote is accurate is what I think is what I've said yes okay I I I have no memory of Xanten number say being in the Harvard Business Review The statistics is agreement to you make sure you're Y axis has a has a label the the I promise out come back to it on my application and sent me a letter in the mail saying I saw your application I'd love to help you decide if you WANNA come to Cornell and IB to meet with you and give you a tour of the campus and the next time you're up here it was like Holy Shit just Carl Sagan the one who is on on the tonight show and all the books yes it was and sure enough what is your confidence in yourself what are you doing to boost who in what you are in the subject and how far do you WanNa take it these are all aspects of the ambition tree and so I also encourage people you should not distract yourself with to making sure that a next generation had access the next generation had the enthusiasm that he had and said if the bus can't get through then called me and spend the night with my family and go out tomorrow and I saw then then it started snowing and I was scheduled to take the bus back and he left me his his home phone number of the lab and in fact it was a Saturday that he did this because I couldn't take time off from school and showed me the lab then I said to myself at the time if I am ever as remotely famous as he is then I will give time to go forward you know that's an ambitious person and it doesn't always mean that but a carry some of that Patina today I'm simply saying how kind of a scientist I would be kind of humanity I would carry with me in my interactions with others especially students ager getting after your second job no one asks you what grade you got ever they go ask any thirty year old person what do you hope to instill or infuse in in students if you have a short amount of time with them if they are in your office that point but that exchange with him Co defied for me what who what is what's going on why I'm thinking to myself and I realized that he was deeply committed to going to reach back and grab a book a great question it's ambition its ambitions gotten a bad bad meaning lately signed to kneel future astronomer amazing that was the stolen there and so I because people think oh that's an ambitious person in off in the office place you know and in the in the in the business setting that usually means you're stepping on top of people uh-huh allocate time to students the way he has to me and now I joke that because now of course I have my own books behind my desk the Barack I gotta get back to you got a student who's waiting for students I so I already knew I was going to be an astrophysicist most of the last time someone asked what their GPA was they won't even remember when that was what matters is are you good problem solver you moral or your hard worker do are you a good leader are you do you have insights into the field are you these are the questions that matter and if you and I remember he who's sitting behind his desk reach back didn't even look grab the book from the Shelf and then signed it which is AAC hard classes rather than easy classes you might get a lower grade sure but if you take an easy class and his books that he wrote that's bad ass if you'll have to look at shopping with one of the books that you wrote as I still have that book high-grade well that's what everyone else is getting so you will not distinguish yourself in the actual workplace because everyone else sweats students come in every time I do I say this is a Almira just to Carl and joked if I'm on the phone and a pyramid or ladder let's say that you're adding rungs to a ladder you then ascend and every next rung you are higher above the ground that everybody has exactly that same profile because they took all the same easy classes you did if you take a harder class risk the lower grade you are actually ascended else and at one point you will get you will reach rung of the ladder where no one else is adjacent to you and people have to beat a path to your door to solve my next book the letters from an astrophysicist. It's curious that you have these questions because these are letters I've written in exchange their problems their business problems their academic whatever it is they're doing because you kept ascending doing the hard things to accomplish it Dan this is this is a recurring message that I give students who come in and in in wrote a letter to my parents I wrote for their thirtieth wedding anniversary this is back in the nineteen eighties where I'm thanking them for being supporting me you know so this whole sation is actually contained in that book now let's talk about that for a second so the letters from astrophysicist you have and reading in preparation for this looking at your bio looking at your current projects I I somehow create the illusion that no questions asked of me where all of these topics have been covered from students also letters openly all part of this conversation that involved me remembering what my parents and that's in there you'll see that and wisdom from my father about I do a lot of stuff but you really seem to have an incredible ability to work on multiple projects US certainly continue to dream about where I went to land however high above the ground that dream so so I'm delighted to say that a lot of this how what how to how to stay grounded but also continue to to some of the game and the arcade we're all these coins are are piled on top of each other and you have this pushing bar yes in the bar pushes they have more opportunities than bandwith to to execute on all of those opportunities how how how do you choose all at once I don't know if that that arcade trick is still you know that doesn't make the evening variety shows anymore us for choosing that amongst all of the many things that you could spend time on so it's a matter of of that used to count as entertainment plates spinning on sticks but to write a book let's say like letters from an astrophysicist like why why that book and why now just the decision it would come from them other letters much more personal much more specific to me about in reaction to something I said there are where so many things are preloaded in my life than I have to ask well what am I going to do today instead of tomorrow as a as a simpler origin story so I've been answering letters from the public forever in fact my first and third books so I spent a lot of time trying to do what I do more efficiently today than yesterday then you can squeeze in a little more but no there is no at the Hayden Planetarium who can feel those so and I make sure that a it was entered under their own name they answered it even came to me road or or or those letters I would answer personally and one out of ten of those what should I have done yesterday well there's this big stack that's ready to spill over that's the one I gotta do now otherwise I'll lose it all they'll roll down the street so some put it aside in a folder on the possibility that I would one day collect letters into volume and so which became my third book but that was forty years ago thirty years ago right now and sort of modern life I would at raising their kids there's a whole chunk from religious people Muslims Jews Buddhist but most of the religions as you might get uh passages and so there's quite the slice of who is out there and who is asking questions of an Astros literary effort and when I would do that I say you know it'd be a shame only this one person saw this letter Eddie where I put an extra effort to communicate and I think it's time for a book so I call them down to about two hundred and in two years ago books take time to plan and contract in all of this I said wow I've got five hundred letters of this variety others I would find myself doing little extra homework to make sure I gave this sort of the flashiest answer I could or I would put in a little extra family with kids with wife with work with writing with with a television and other media with twitter nothing has ever imbalanced and to plight of the person who asks the questions I've three of them are from prison inmates others are from parents trying to be better letters from an astrophysicist has one hundred one letters which is the Creme de la Creme de la Creme with regard to range of content with regard to insights with regard to the very first book ever it's called Merlin's tour of the universe which was a compiling those letters and then I had more an had enough for a second volume yes I'm spinning and people have asked well how do you achieve equilibrium in life but what is the balance there is no balance it is never imbalanced ever with of it is is at not to overstretch the the metaphor it's but some of it is like the person who spins the plates and keeps them all spinning physicist and so that that became the collection so the editing was huge because Y- can't put everybody's full lateran because many of them are just rambling Kambli and what kind of correspondents I've had with people most of it was over a ten year period when my email was publicly findable on the Internet and some other letters of trickle to refocus or down regulate in order to to reassess things leading a full life as you do y if and when you ever feel say overwhelmed or scattered in then that was still a lot and with the help of my agent editor said let's hone it down some more so now the actual book Asu from Christians who are who are desperately trying to reconcile science with Biblical the answer questions from the public and every now and then what about some of the questions would be straightforward science questions and I have I have a team of people what's there is no I don't I I don't know it's just it's now the letters book although all the rest of this an editorial Joyce I said why an punctuation is is how like now is capitalized as three exclamation points. I leave it in just so you can share the person's feelings in composing some way or if you feel like you've lost your focus temporarily what do you do do you have any practices or questions anything that that you used Dan since then the prison letters have tripled since then they don't have Internet so it comes as a paper letter to my office and so so yeah and that's a great question and I think that would be a perfect question for most people but I'm I run my life a little differently percent more projects than I will finish I get about four times as many are compiled of Qa that I used to have a Q. and A. Column in a magazine called Stargate and there's underpin name Merlin so I- paraphrase many of the letters just to get just to get it in there and but once that was done and then you have to go to edit for clarity and grammar and not a not a great idea and algae yeah heart rate variability thing and in navigate and and so it's as follows I agree to probably ten I would I would consume and find interesting she's not sending you a Lotta horoscopes no so so and how do I focus no it's not quite like that my day as is true with anybody saying is comprised of time slots there's a mutiny or that there's there's a people want to overthrow your but there's just enough so that circumstances about ten percent of the projects that I agree to in advance and that means the time is always completely full always a very different quality from one another I when I'm on the subway I sit in the corner with a hat and glasses so I'm minimize how the cell fees that would get requested and I do email email is you can do email anytime day or night says well if she thinks it has some relevance to me remember she has a PhD in mathematical physics. So we have strong alignment in terms of what we'll have whatever is one hundred percent of what I produce get made the other ten percent don't get me it's that simple and so basically I default on after one of the chapters is hate mail because really pissed off people so I'm just honest about how what my wife is an avid consumer of news she sends me clips mostly from the New York Times but other sources I do email it's not the only time I do email but that's when I do a lot of the tedious email when I wouldn't otherwise be doing anything okay that you'll have to focus now I'm about to do email no you can do email waiting for the bus all right so the interstitial time in my day and I wanna come back to the the comment on balance which which makes sense to me it'd be like trying to stabilize your heart rate indefinitely it's getting ready to focus or regrouping or plus everything I agree too I'm excited about I want to do it I do it because I think I can do it uniquely effort to say no gracefully is way greater than saying yes absolutely because you can say yes can't write an hour blocks that doesn't make any sense so I all of the timeframes throughout the week are allocated for what kind of when happens to show up so they might ask for volunteers and then they offer bribes and then they offer free trips and then so on and so forth what is your approach to right they don't have this luxury they have to be on on point unfocused when that is necessary so I I canceling or renegotiating the ten percent breakage so to speak that overage what what is the what is the communication looks and so there isn't this are I gotta slog through this I'm fortunate that most of what occupies my day is elective -ly as elected a polite note of grant and save my calendar got away from me I could not keep up and that is a very believable fact right they just like airline overbooking if you until you bring creative analogy it's you don't overbook so much that like yeah so it's you know there's a lot of finish their again that's another insightful question because the Energy and oh I do is study at the University of patient never dies I let's talk about Dr Tyson air- airlines for a second things I would do in them so there isn't a time while I have to focus only have an hour I don't have to focus I'm just doing email is not about sir airline with the overbooking so in in the airline business they have systems for managing overbooking if ever five hour block I will write during five hour blocks it might take you an hour to get into it all right well if you only have an hour block and it takes an hour to get into it he actually is a is a is a filth appre filter for news right and so that that works great their periods of time on the weekends where landed on my calendar lights a patient does I'm not a medical doctor Yano feel like open heart surgery tonight no and you add another coin and it pushes there's a big stack is gonNA come no it's not going to let me try it so so I don't know what game is called but I think we're all familiar with it there also had a how to renegotiate as needed when circumstances change or when you're overbooked and things along those lines so thanks for area of study that's become increasingly interesting to me not not just say no initially which may be the easiest if if done well the I know but so what I'm doing and how productive I am and then I'll try to offer something in recompense I will say can you check back with me in the spring and expressing emotion when excessive punctuation expresses emotion I leave it in so when someone says I want to know the answer to this now Requests to participate in projects Van I will avert south to say no to most things and the ones I say yes to it's about one hundred and ten percent are sharing your approach I I've been fascinated by your approach to preparation something that is factually true but now you can ask if someone reads this thick yes and if they don't think what that which is true even though what they read at this fundraiser and then there's some comeback so that's my equivalent of offering discounts on in a number of different examples that came up when I was reading in prep for this that I was despite being wooed by was technically a fact Yep then the article is not authentically communicating reality and I was going to do that and I just never got around to it because it was by Carl Sagan you did you did not go to Cornell you were accepted at Harvard Nyu Mit and Cornell may be among others but I ungracefully and it's a yes but a no there's no reason to make enemies with people you WanNa make sure they're still there you want to make sure they might ask you once again I also had that experience with a profile which was really upsetting to me at the time with the impression Sir writing and I talked it was of course nonfiction writing and re science writing and so I very much enjoyed that the while the profile was fact checked it was not impression checked okay and and you can her trip or whatever airlines are doing these days got it thank you this is sort of the overbooked could have been in the in the fully in the in the accommodate apart it just landed in the overbooked section so what are what I will typically do a Sunday not necessarily script out but but plan very effectively having taken those preparatory steps became nitpicky and let me just move on I might still do it if I ever teacher writing class which I once did by the way I was visiting so that we're working on that for the last two years and so finally it hits October exciting congratulations I was going to write a companion mouse only because it allowed me to formulate what it is I do in the context of a curriculum rather than just this is what I do so but my so I was you studied past episodes counting how many sentences John would permit a guest to speak before budding with a joke and so you're able to really and what what I'd love to know is if there's if there's a particular example that comes to mind of preparation really and I think I might table will be more clear than it is now or I I there places where people want me to come give it time give two examples that I wanNA follow up for the question so these are both from the New Yorker profile you went about deciding to go by making by the way that New Yorker profile can showing which schools they'd attended in which faculty they had later joined the school that appeared most frequently on spreadsheet was Harvard and decide to go there and then I'll give you a portrayed in that profile I for John Stewart I knew that if he interrupts you before you get a point across everyone will laugh at his comedic quip really paying off if there were any inflection points in your life or just particularly important moments where preparation has walk or host a fundraiser or something and I say maybe I can do it I'm not sure no I can't do it but how about this I will donate autographed books for you to see I got on a bus and went from New York City to Ithaca all four and a half or five hours of that bus ride and sure enough he met me out front offer you know it paid off in not in a literal money sense but in an H. success since it pays off every single time I am in getting a writing professor at Yeshiva College in a in a upper Manhattan fascinating a visiting Professor Three Day read of current events so that if they're not gonna go back a week because it's not going to