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Famous Fates: Wild Bill Hickok

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Famous Fates: Wild Bill Hickok

"We hope you enjoyed this episode from our series famous fates. It's about the impactful lives in shocking. Deaths of history's most influential people to hear. Even more episodes each week subscribed to famous fates exclusively on spotify. Three of a kind looks like he got me again. It looks like you need your lucky seat. After all. Settle down there. I played a good amount of five card. Draw in my time my luck and still turn around. Let's play Gimme two here. We go give me one. You try to bluff me cause you ain't going to bluff me bill. Well that's ask for you to decide. Ain't it you win or give me too perfect bill take this get that man it Hi I'm Vanessa. Richardson and I'm Corduroy. Welcome to famous. Fates podcast original exclusive the spotify each week we'll release five. Fresh episodes centered around a common theme such as Hollywood icons influential women or music legends in each episode. We'll take a close look at the remarkable life of different person with the help of voice. Actors will dramatize their incredible lives. reimagining judging their greatest and weakest moments then will examine their controversial deaths. Some deaths came too soon. Some remained shrouded in mystery tree and some changed the world forever today. We're covering gunslinger wild bill hickok. He was a law force gambler and performer. Summer when you picture an old West Cowboy Wild Bill Hickok is likely what comes to mind and true to that image. He died after being shot. OPT in a saloon. You can find episodes of famous fates and all other podcast originals for free on spotify to stream famous fates for free on spotify. Just open the APP and type famous fates in the search bar famous fates is a spotify exclusive so you can only find it on spotify that par cast. We're grateful eight full for you our listeners. You allow us to do what we love. Let us know how we're doing reach out. On facebook and Instagram at par cast in twitter at podcast asked headwork now back to the life of Wild Bill Hickok eighteen thirty seven. The American experiment was still in its youth and exploration of the Western frontier had begun in the small town of homer Illinois. James Butler Hickok is born. The young James would grow up to be one of the West most deadly shooters. Much of that skill was learned in his youth through trial by fire. James's James's father. William Hickok was a noted abolitionist and actually used the Hickok home as a station for the underground railroad. The hickox were always at risk of getting caught harboring runaway slaves. James Childhood was filled with previews of the constant dangers. The new frontier would present him. shoop what is it pops officers offices. This is wanting to investigate our cargo. Most Likely James. Grab that gun beside you. But I don't matter what you know. Don't know son now take the gun on and listen for me to tell you what to do you their car. We want to have a look see inside James Far that gun now at them wherever you like just scare the horses so we have an excuse when we make our escape gotta get back here. Nice job son. No that you probably saved some good lives today. These constant brushes with danger inspired the young James to find a means of protecting himself so he picked up his dad's gun and took target practice. He'd shoot cans posts and the wild critters that roamed his farm arm. Andy quickly discovered that he was a very good shot so good in fact he became the families de facto hunter. Even as young as ten he would begin to bring in major game from around the woods who would also show off his skills and shooting competitions his marksmanship became legendary amongst the local townsfolk. It was around this age that he began to hear the stories stories of the Kings of the wild frontier. That came before him. And the stories of Daniel Boone Davy Crockett and Jim Bowie were the subjects of dime store novels. That were popular among James in his friends. James saw a lot of similarities between these legends and his own life. Protecting the innocent helping those in need and presenting themselves as the coolest list people on the planet and the superheroes of the eighteen hundreds and James Dreamed of joining their ranks as legends at the American frontier and he began to plan his Western turn adventures much to the Chagrin of his parents who wished for their son to stay in the safety of their farm instead of into the immoral and dangerous world of the new West and and considering the danger that surrounded their life at home that's really saying something on the protests of James's parents fell on deaf ears James Model himself on these American Heroes Gross. Hey this is my river now you guys get the hell out your river. It's Mr Carson River that don't matter to me I say it's my river and nothing the thing you scrawny limbs can do to stop it. Hey who you calling scrawny wimps. I'll use US scrawny whims. And if you don't get out I'm GonNa the Dan River so much you can have it. Come on guys. Let's go tell Mr car. We found a farmer in his river. the innocence of childhood. But childhood would soon disappear for Young James when he was fourteen. His father was murdered for his abolitionist. Beliefs which left much of the responsibilities of the Family Farm James James did what he could for the family but he grew bored and longed for the days of adventure and danger. He had with his father finally family. At Age. Seventeen James decided to leave the farm and seek out his own life he got by initially as a stagecoach driver. Making delivery runs between Illinois and Michigan. Again it paid the bills for awhile. PITCOCK was a rising star in the stagecoach business and one of the boys who worked with a man named Charles Hudson thought James was encroaching on the promotion. Charles thought that he deserved. Haycock wasn't a fan of Charles either. He Felt Charles mistreated the mules and was much too aggressive on his way up. Finally during a stagecoach run together the two of them came to blows in the ensuing fistfight. The tumbled into the local canal in the darkness canal. Both James and Charles failed to find their opponent and each believed they had killed the other in the panic of thinking he'd be wanted for murder. James made a split decision decision to flee Illinois and had to his destiny the wild west wait did the two of them just leave the mules up there by themselves. I guess that's a good question question. Actually in all the time the story has been told. I don't think anyone has mentioned what happened to the mules help. Those meals turned out. Okay as good as a stage coach meal could. I'm sure sure well. In any case James decided to take up a new identity as he headed west after all he believed that everyone would be looking for a James Hickok make sense new life life new identity. Plus chances at murder charges he arrived in the Kansas territory and began to introduce himself under his father's name. William Hickok bill for short. He changed his name to unnecessarily cover his tracks but kept the last name to be. Fair is an awesome last name fair point once in Kansas. The newly minted bill was a busy man. He joined up with an anti slavery group known as the Kansas Free staters. It was here that bill acquired his first nickname from those who who disliked his large ego. He was called duck bill due to the large lips. He possessed a far cry from wild bill. He also had a nickname from those in his group that found him fierce and fearless Shanghai Bill much better nickname. But it's still no wild bill in the Kansas free staters. Bill Befriended Buffalo. Flo Bill Cody. Who was only twelve at the time? And the group's leader General Jim Lane it is said that General Lane was preparing for a war with pro slavery group. The Missouri rebe Border Ruffians. And Lane was so impressed by bill that not only did he hope to have bill as a high ranking member of his army but lane also made bill his personal bodyguard being chosen. There's a personal bodyguard is quite the badge of honor indeed but being a high ranking member of an unofficial army doesn't equal large income. Bill's main source of income came from. I'm the Pony Express in between his time fighting for freedom. Bill traveled all around Missouri Kansas and Nebraska Delivering Mail and freight all around the known west. I all in all it was a pretty good Gig bill until the fateful day he found a bear blocking his path Jal Dan bear shoot. It also rolls were bad fighting. A bear is the most manly of Manley Manley stories that I shot the bear right in the head but bounced off the skull and straight out in the course of the fight. Bill suffered a crushed chest broken shoulder in a mangled arm. Bill was sent to recover at the Pony Express station in Rock Creek Nebraska. They employed Emma stable hand. Since you know the injuries of a bear attack. Might it'd be too much for horse. Riding in the Rock Creek station would become a place of destiny for bill. It was where the legend of wild bill was truly born. The alleged story goes that while still recovering bill ran afoul with a man named David. McConnell's McConnell's was the leader of a local group of desperadoes. US McConnell's was a troublemaker. Reminding Bill of the bullies. He defended his friends from in his youth. Plus McConnell's and bill both pined for the same woman. Sarah Schull Sara was David's mistress until she met bill who swept her off her feet. That might be the cause of a little tension McConnell's own the land that the Rock Creek Station was built on and one day. He entered the station with two of his desperado members. Well well well. It seems like a certain male station is laid on their property payment. Mr Wellman well Mr McKenna's I'm sure if he'd double check your records. I don't think you heard me boy. I said you're late on the payment. Now if you'll just pay me double who will just get this trouble. Squared away settled down the KENNELS. Get outta here while you know what's good for you if it isn't duck bill hill himself. I told you to call me that. You think that's how this works. You don't get to tell me what to do. How Sarah Shoal fell for an ugly sissy of a man like you? That's something I can never understand you leave. Sarah added this. It's not her fault she chose me. It's yours hey that q well. What are you GONNA do? Duck bill arrest me and my boys. Are you going to stop me from getting the payment. I'm owed sir. Nah I don't have that power but if I tell the sheriff that you're the one stealing the horses and sending them down south well he might be able to do something about you. You son of a you killed him. He had his hands on his pistol. But then for the sheriff must and the undertaker too while you're at it news of the Hickama. Kennels incident spread like wildfire across the United States. Almost overnight bill hickox legend had begun to grow bill. Bill took his newfound notoriety as another means changing his identity. He grew his famous mustache to help. Hide his infamous large lips. I think he earned the right to shed the duck bill identity but building that much time to bask in the glow of his new fame. The civil war had broken out and bill found himself called to duty for the Union. Starting Office stagecoach driver and a scout in Missouri. Not much is known about bill's early army days except for the addition of a very significant part of his legend while on temporary leave and independence Missouri Bill encountered a mob forming in the middle of the town and one of the bartenders in the town. Saloon had beaten some local toughs in a street fight fight. The losers of the BRA were looking for revenge and had convinced some townsfolk to join them. Never one to allow a bully to win. Bill stepped in front of the bartender. took out is two revolvers and fired over the heads of the crowd. The next person to move forward will get shot and trust me when I say that this one will not miss the crowd. Stunned stood in place for a few moments before they began to dissipate. As the last of the crowd left a woman observing the incident from afar decided to let her voice be heard. Good for you wild bill. This story spread and the wild bill. Nickname would stick with him for the rest of his is life of course as with many of the dime store legends of the era there are multiple versions of how wild bill earned his wildness. There's the version of the same story in which bill defends a union sympathizer from confederate mob. And another simply suggest. Bill got the wild name from an army buddy. Who was comparing him to another bill in the Army Tame Tame Bill? I don't know what's worse. Taint bill or duck bill at least with duck billed. There's still a chance you can be a fun. Dude whatever's truth or legend. The next truth we know is that wild bill rejoined with General Lane in Buffalo Bill in the Kansas Brigade in eighteen. Sixty two and then things start to get a little fuzzy for much of eighteen sixty due to an eighteen sixty three. There's absolutely no record of the whereabouts of wild bill. Hitchcock the most likely explanation for this is that Hickok spent his time as a union spy. In the south. There is a record of a William Haycock being arrested in the confederacy which many speculate to be bill again if that is him. Not very good with the whole alias. Thing well the union spy thing is only speculation. We have no way of knowing what actually was happening with him during this year. which when you think about it means he was probably a pretty good spy calling whatever? The American civil war version of the mix is Hickok is probably the guy you want on your team. But how do we know he wasn't part of some secret. American can James Bond style group. It's a mystery after all. I guess we'll never know the next time. Bill shows up in historical records. He's serving as Provost Marshal and South Western Missouri Provost Marshal basically a military policeman. He was the guy who would make sure that the union got money. It was owed and the guy who had informed the general's which soldiers were drinking on the job. Wild Bill Not really living up to his wild nickname here. Well it does seem that wild. Bill occasionally questioned his wild ways in a letter to his brother around this time wild. Bill informed them that he had decided to quit drinking and gambling cold Turkey. WHOA not drinking and gambling in the heyday of the American West? That's unheard of. Yeah it didn't seem to last too long. Bill was back to his drinking and gambling ways by the end of eighteen. Sixty five when he found himself in another another legend making incident. This time with a man named Dave Tutt taught was a former confederate officer and despite being on opposing sides in the war the two engaged engaged in a shaky friendship. But it wouldn't last long. The story goes that when Dave instantly rebounded with an x of bills bill started sleeping with Dave sister. Blue Lou turnabout is fair play. I guess but what most likely caused the friendship to sever was a gambling dispute one night hitchcock and Tut were at the same poker table and hitchcock doc was on a hot streak. A straight looks like a clean. Yeah Dave possible no way you have this much luck some nights you have some nights nights. You don't Old Lady. Luck was on while bill side. Tonight you know you still only forty dollars for that horse trade. We made a couple of weeks ago. Well all right there you go forty on the dime. I guess we're even now. No no we ate you also me thirty five dollars for last week's poker game. I don't believe you're right Dave. It's only a twenty five dollar debt. I have the memorandum right here. Hey put that down until I get my thirty five. This here. Gold Watch is mine insurance. It ain't thirty five dollars and that ain't your watch. It's mine until I get the money owed. If you're looking for a fight you're not gonNA get get it here. Lord knows you and your pals got me outgunned. I'm just GONNA ask as nicely as I can. Give me back my watch before you have things to regret. Hickok was humiliated. He couldn't let this insult and theft. Slide especially considering that the accusation of avoiding debt could seriously harm his poker career thinking they had gotten one overbill. Tut's friends taunted him as they walked through town. Oh look who it is. Bill Hickok lost and alone without capricious pocket watch. I hear Dave's GonNa wear that watch right in the middle of Town Square tomorrow. Wouldn't that be something bill you tell Dave. He shouldn't come across that square unless he believes dead. Men can walk very strong words from wild bill here very smart words to now bill had placed the ball in touch court are either he backs down on his promise and shows himself as a coward or shows up and risks of fight and pride of course was a very big deal in the old West so there was no elway was going to place himself in the wrong here. There was one last effort for peace either Armstrong a mutual friend set the two up for negotiation. Now Gentlemen Oh man. I'm sure there's some sort of agreement we can come to if you want this watch back. It'll cost you forty five forty five but Dave the debts thirty five twenty five actually look look. Let's all just calm down Dave. Why don't you just accept thirty five now and maybe we we can come up with a further agreement down the trail when five for the watch or he's getting math? I don't WanNA fight you dave. I really don't I don't WanNA fight neither. I just want the money that's owed to me. Well I guess I'll just be seeing you tomorrow just know. This was all your choice not mine bill wait. Let him leave ally. You'll get what's coming. We'll return to our story in just a moment now back to the life of Wild Wild Bill Hickok the next afternoon. Dave Tutt made good on his promise and stood in the middle of the town square with bills pocket. Watch on full display. We'll talk about guts. Word quickly spread to the town and eventually reached bill at around six o'clock pm. Bill walked into town. His Gun. holstered at his side. Dave I'm here. So why don't you come across here with that watch. You know what this is is anybody here makes a move. There's going going to be a whole lot more dead men in this square now to get what's rightfully mine. Wild Bill Hickok had won the first quick-draw dual in the history story of the West. The iconic image of the cowboy and a classic gunfight seen in films such as high noon and the man who shot liberty valance began with this fight all all thanks to a dispute over ten dollars gold wristwatch two days later hitchcock was arrested on charges of murder which was soon downgraded to manslaughter the trial. It was a controversial affair. As twenty two witnesses went up to the stand each seeming to have a slightly different story it was debated as to who started the conflict bill for bringing bringing the gun to the square and expecting fight or Dave for taking the watch and refusing compromise. The judge even gave contradictory advice to the jury. He told them both to consider that. Under the law bill was guilty but also to consider the rules of fair fight. which would make bill innocent? All this contradiction and confusion led to the trial. Having it's obvious obvious conclusion wild bill was acquitted of all charges. That's twice now that bill's been set free after killing another person. The man certainly knew his way around a trial. And unlike the McConnell story soon everyone across America had heard the tale even newspapers and magazines were seeking bill out for interviews or at least seeking stories they could write about bill. Some magazines even claimed that bill had already killed one hundred men. That seems like an unreasonable exaggeration. Wasn't that align with the stories that bill would have read about his heroes rose back in his youth he had finally joined Davy. Crockett and Daniel. Boone is a legend of the West but while the rest of America was falling in love with the antics of wild bill. Well there was one group of people who aren't the citizens of Springfield. You mean they weren't fans of somebody getting killed in the middle of their street many in the town viewed the coral and duel. We'll between Tut and Hickok is unnecessary. And we're outraged by the acquittal. Despite this Hickok ran for Marshall of Springfield and even finished second which was amazing considering during his souring reputation but wild bill saw the writing on the wall and left Springfield for greener pastures at the end of eighteen. Sixty five for the next couple of years. Hitchcock doc bounced around the West only adding to his legend. It's possible he served. Some time is the deputy marshal of Fort Riley Kansas but the general lack of records of wild all bills antics during this time. Call that into question. Among the records we do have is bills rejoining of the army under the command of General George Armstrong custer. That's the partnership for the ages custer was a huge fan of Hickok and spoke very highly of him in his autobiography with her on foot on horseback he was one of those. Perfect types is a physical manhood I ever saw of his courage. That could be no question. The skill in the use of the rifle and pistol was unerring. His deportment was entirely early. Free from all bluster and bravado. He never spoke of himself unless requested to do so. This conversation ever voted on the vulgar or the blasphemous. His influence influence among the frontiers. Men was unbounded. His word was law. Even custer's wife Libby was a big fan of Wild Bill O.. Physically he was a delight light to look upon tall live and free in every motion he rode walked as if every muscle was perfection and the careless wing of his body. The is a moved seem perfectly in keeping with the man the country the time in which he lived I do not recall anything. Fine and the way of physical perfection than wild while bill. When he swung himself lately from it's saddle and with graceful sway instep squarely set shoulders and well-poised head approached reached out tenfold orders? Wow it sounds like she really really liked him Kim. There were rumors of an affair between wild bill libby based on that description I would not. That'd be surprised although it seemed custer and Hickok worked well together during the Indian wars Hickok left the army again in eighteen sixty seven and found his way to the town of Hays City Kansas the legend and stories that had grown around wild. Bill's name help too quickly. Place him in a position of power by eighteen sixty nine he was elected sheriff. The three previous. Es sheriffs of Hey city all quit within the span of eighteen months things were pretty reckless in pretty violent in hays city on the resumes weren't flying in for this job. The people have Hayes city. Were hoping that wild bill could live up to his legacy and live up to it. He did cleaning out this hair salon. GimMe all them. Invaluable Samuel Straw home. Stand down and come with me. This is all gone far enough. You think that's convincing to me Marshall just because you're some sort of hero don't mean you got the power to stop me. We're going to sell this right now. Strong you can come with me and that'll be the end of it but if you reach for that gun well you know what comes next. Screw you I warned you. Far Cry from their -CEPTION got in Springfield just two years prior yes allow. The fame was instrumental in his rise. It also caused a great paranoia to develop the. What did bill have to worry about at this point US win? The most noted gunslingers in the West exactly the point Bill Hickok was a legend but the wild west was called the wild west for a reason everyone was trying to stake their claim. And what better way to get a reputation by killing the great wild bill. I see like the Waco kid blazing saddles saddles sure. Bill had to constantly keep his head on a swivel and he would always walk in the middle of the street is darting back and forth to ensure no one could sneak on him feud even loudly slam. Open the doors of a bar just to make presence known and leave as quickly as he came just to keep everyone in good and fearful behavior. Still there were many assassination assignation attempts on wild bill during this time. It seemed every Tom Dick and Harry wanted to be the one to kill him. But all these. Tom's Dixon Harry's seem to forget that while bill was a legend for a reason. Quiet all you want wild bill to come out here yet. I want want to keep them so cold wild. I don't think you want to do that so there you are. You're GonNa make me the most famous manning on the West. I'm going to kill you right here right now. Hey don't shoot him from behind he's drunk. He's gotTa shoot uh-huh There's no one there. Oh shoot well. There's one less drunken fool. who'll wild bill seems to have a knack for this whole law and order thing a neighboring town abilene? Kansas certainly noticed after an axe to the throat killed their your previous Marshall. They offered Hickok job hoping he'd toughened up. One of the rowdiest towns in the territory wild bill took on the challenge with Gusto. He started right away. Hey in ridding the gambling joints in town of the cheaters and the obvious drunks as a noted gambler himself. Hitchcock was very passionate about cleaning up the gambling in town especially since it was is likely that wild bill himself would partake in a game or two in his spare time. He is a member of the Poker Hall of fame. You know well now I do the mere fact that Hickok was now. The Marshall instantly sent a message to the entire area. One of the most dangerous elements of the old west was the roaming cowherd. Many times of herds path went went through a local farm. The cowboy leading the cows would simply kill the farmer loot the house and continue on his merry way citizens of Abilene would tell. Stories of bill sitting underscores outside of their farms cowherd past watching and waiting for one wrong. Move the cowboys. Knew that bill wouldn't hesitate and killing them if they moved even an inch off off their path so the cowherds all rushed past abilene without incident. Even the most vicious in the Torius men of the era played nice in Abilene now. That Marshall Hitchcock doc was running things. The legend goes that John. Wesley Hardin a rather noted killer road into town one day and was so afraid of Hickok that he followed Hickok around in hopes disapproving that he was doing no wrong and it actually seem that Hardman Hickok were becoming friends but one night harden was enraged that the man in the hotel room next door was snoring. Snoring too loud. He in his anger shot the man through the wall killing him knowing that wild bill would kill him for this. He went right for his escape. Only clad in his undergarments hardened climbed to the roof and saw wild bill on his way to the hotel he dove into a nearby haystack and stayed there for the rest of the night in the morning harden instill only wearing the undergarments from the night before ran to his horse and got out of dodge quickly as he could scared out of his pants for real. But that's a wild bill brought to the table. No Man was safe from his justice and everyone knew it seem that he could finally found a place to settle down as his role in Abilene was going pretty well. Wouldn't you say ed say so. Yeah so it was an abilene that while bill would establish some of his few lasting relationships he took a younger deputy marshal named Mike Williams under his his wing and the two of them grew very close and it was also during this time that bill met his wife Agnes Lake. She came into the town one day as part of a traveling circus performing forming is. The show's horsewoman tight rope walker dancer and Lion Tamer a woman. I know she was basically the perfect match for a legend of such stature as wild wild bill the two fell in love for site and kept correspondence when Agnes circus left for the east. While bill was on top of the world living the life of the wild west legend. He dreamed of being back when he was James. However in eighteen seventy one that would all change? We'll return to your story in just a moment. Now let's continue the story. Hickok as part of his martial duties was tasked with an unusual assignment one of the local taverns owned by a pair of men named Phil Coe and Ben Thompson featured a very large painting of a bowl with well a fully erect male Genitalia area which offended some of the town. I can imagine I mean. I don't want to imagine can one day while bill stepped into the tavern and broke the news that the painting would have have to be taken down or altered. And when Phil and Ben Refused Hickok stood there with his revolver until the necessary alterations were made. This is absolutely outrageous. He just a violation of my rights. You're a damn Yankee someone ought to kill you. Why don't we just kill him? Ourselves Been I could kill a crow on the wing. I'm sure I can take down one man to the crow have a pistol was a shooting. You I will be thank you for your time. Gentlemen keep your paintings in line next time. Okay the crow line would become one of bill's most famous another story to spread across America. But it was a line that simply added to the tension between COE and Hickok and on October fifth eighteen. Seventy one the tension boiled over someone shooting this late at night. Can't be good. Mike Thank you stay here. I'll check it out. I fill. Which one do you find the Dan shot? I was just shooting a stray dog. What's wrong with that? What's wrong with that You know look on Lost Hill GonNa take you in all right all right come on. It was just the dog log. You'RE GONNA kill him shooting a dog. Why don't we try to Q.? what the man do his job offer me. Screw you hit doc. Came it Mike Mike Mike. I told you to stay Mike. Say something if you guys know what's good for you you'll get on your ponies and get out of this town real quick. Yes Mike come on Mike. Let's get you inside all right. You're going to be okay Mike. Mike that's heartbreaking. It is in the confusion of the brawl and the attempt on his life by Phil Co Wild. Bill had accidentally killed his best friend and Mike Williams. This accidental murder changed bill forever. It said that Mike was the last man he ever killed. And according to some witnesses while bill grew more or aggressive in his martial duties he'd go in saloons kick everyone out and throw anyone who didn't comply out the windows and doors. You look up more aggressive in the dictionary. That's probably the picture you'll find. The of dictionaries had pictures although Hickok continued to be successful in cleaning up abilene his more aggressive style. Drew more complaints and more questionable incidents wants to attention not only two months after Mike Williams was killed while bill was officially dismissed from his martial duties. A very sad end for a very successful career. Wild bill never returned to law enforcement instead went back to his first love professional gambling into is still very good at. He is a poker hall all of Famer after all but of course even the best. Gamblers have their ups and downs. The nature of the game looking for more consistent form of income bill headed East East and tried his hand at the acting profession. He headed up to Niagara Falls New York to star in a Rodeo style. Show where he infamously fell flat on his face while trying to rope Obama Buffalo Wild. Bill's fall from grace was swift and painful when he joined up with his former war partner. Buffalo Bill Cody in New York City and participated in what would be the predecessor to the world famous buffalo. Bill's wild west show here. Wild bill was well paid and well fed and was able to gamble and get in bar fights as much as he wanted founded but he wasn't happing acting wasn't really Hickox Forte and he began to drink more and more before shows which as imagine just made things worse and frankly the east. It wasn't the place for wild bill. He was destined to live out his life on the wild frontier. He left the company of Buffalo Bill in eighteen. Seventy four and headed back on the open trail will his next two years were spent moving from town to town gambling and drinking the night away in many ways bill was a shell of his former self. His eyesight was failing due to Glaucoma Homa and he was no longer the perfect shot he once was. He tried his best to keep up his legend but his appearance grew more disheveled and the days he was sober were few and far between Lien. Who is often arrested for vagrancy during this period even if he had a successful night of gambling because he had the appearance of a warned down homeless man it really is like the classic Hollywood Hollywood downward spiral the Britney Spears of his era but like Britney there was always hope for the big comeback in March eighteen seventy six he finally married carried Agnes Lake and shortly thereafter left on a wagon to the dakotas hoping to find some gold and regained his life on the way to the DAKOTAS while Bill Cross paths asks with another Western legend Calamity Jane although their time together was certainly very brief calamity Jane would become obsessed with Hitchcock and later claimed that they were remarried through the ages? Many stories told about the secret love affair between wild bill and Calamity Jane and some even claimed to be their children but all the stories about Jane and the bill are easily proven false and even an attempt to bury j next bill was thwarted. That's another level of obsession. Even death trying to find a connection from what we know about wild bill. The one true love of his life was agnes. He wrote to her often as he made his trek to the dakotas but as much as he was excited about this new opportunity pretty he also suspected that his death might be closer than expected. Agnes Darla if such should be we never meet again well fire in my last shot. I will gently breed. The name of my wife Agnes and with wishes even for my enemies I will make the plunge and try to swim to the other shore. Unfortunately wild bill's vision of his death proved to be correct. He would meet his end in the town of deadwood South Dakota as with every place he went hitchcock engaged in the local poker scene on August. First eighteen seventy six. He won heavily in a game. With Jack McCall to pair. dammit wiped clean again here. Take this what. You'll need some money for breakfast in the morning. You don't want you to go hungry kid you've given me charity. I help where I can kid. Just take my advice and trust me from experience. Don't gamble again until you've got enough to cover yourself okay. Insulted and embarrassed by the loss the unwanted charity Jack went to get a drink and plot his revenge the next day August second. Eighteen seventy six while bill arrives to the saloon for for another day of poker normally while bill always selected his lucky seat which was any seat facing the door habit from his paranoid days. It was so he could see if any of his enemies these were coming in however on this day bill had arrived too late the seat that face the door was taken while bill asked twice if he could switch seats but he was has refused anything to disrupt your opponents Lucky Mojo. I guess hey you take what you can get in poker still wishing to gamble. Bill reluctantly took the next available seat and started did the play and because he was not facing the door he did not see a drunken Jack. McCall entered the saloon pistol in hand heading right towards him dame you bill hill take this guy. He's dead dead. While Bill Hickok died instantly at the age. Thirty nine the cards he was holding at the time of his death were black eights and black aces. That hand is known to this day. The dead man's hand the fifth car that he had just received received is still up for debate. After years of men trying their darndest to kill one of the West greatest legends. It was a drunken poker player insulted by a kind gesture that finally did. Indeed jury of local miners tried McCall the very next day. McCall claimed that he had killed while bill as revenge for killing his brother during his martial days. The jury of minors acquitted McCall which prompted a local newspaper to write. Should it ever be our misfortune to kill a man we would simply ask. That are trial may take place in some of the mining camps of these hills. And it's a great long sensing he wasn't well liked deadwood McCall fled to Wyoming and bragged to anyone anyone who would listen then he was the killer of Wild Bill Hickok. He was soon realized that instead would was an Indian territory that McCall's trial and deadwood had no legal basis. He was arrested again in Wyoming and charged with murder. McCall was quickly found guilty and was hanged for his crime. The lesson here. Kids is never brag it seems very fitting that the ultimate lawman even death still saw justice served while Bill Hickox legend only grew in the years after his death and he has become one of the enduring during images of the American frontier from the day he was born he was destined to seek adventure right wrongs and well be wild. He earned his place amongst amongst the heroes he so desired to be few men represented the spirit of the West quite like wild bill. 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A true story for skeptics mp3

True Mysteries of the Pacific Northwest

07:41 min | 5 months ago

A true story for skeptics mp3

"Welcome to kids myths and mysteries. Your host kit chrome for the past month month of february. I've been doing dory's five days a week. On different forms of divination. I received a fair amount of emails asking for detail. I've answered these through the email. But i've also received emails by critics. Who say there are. No flying saucers multiple dimensions. Bigfoot doesn't exist and give a nation is a bunch hokum i put this to the urban legend writers. I said fine two story that proves there is some strange stuff going on out there. That really can't be explained and this is what they came up with. it's really very interesting. Took place in june one thousand nine hundred seventy four. The pacific northwest just outside of seattle washington. The story goes like this. it was late. June nineteen seventy four in the warm summer day in a small town just outside seattle washington. A party for the graduating high school. Senior class was underway. Several local bands were brought in for the special catered affair. Many of the students parents attended chaperones. The day was cloudless when the festivities began three o'clock they continue until midnight. Tables were overflowing with food. Were set up on an expansive greenlawn that stretched out in front of the old hickok manner. The mansion was constructed in nineteen nine by william b. Hickok retired steamship captain. He remained single an open his nine room. Fifteen thousand square foot residents to retire display semen when he died in nineteen fifty. He deeded the match to the town. That was immediately put on the market was maintained in all. Its majesty for twenty years but there were no takers in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy two city fathers realized that it costs too much to keep it up and so for the next ten years it remained abandoned. The ground uncapped nineteen seventy-three. The school district approached the city. Students would restore and maintain the grounds and upgrade the kitchen. If they could use it for their graduation ceremonies. The city council is only too happy to have the giant mansion restored to less than a is sore even if that only included the kitchen and surrounding grounds the bands were set up for the graduation on the huge wraparound front porch. Only enough electricity was brought in to operate the kitchen. So the band's brought in generators enough food and non alcoholic beverages were set up to last until midnight and were stored in expansive multi-room seller connected to the kitchen by a narrow servants hall descended. Nearly two flights walter schnittke was student body. President sally hokum was valedictorian and the two had been going steady sensor freshman year each was eagerly anticipating finding carnal knowledge. Somewhere in the old hickok mansion once festivities were well underway. They were sure they could slip away. And never be missed walter friends with the owner of the catering service that was operating the kitchen. Who said he would look the other wave. The seniors wanted to meet in the cellar. Nine o'clock blazing lights set setup by the local fire department lit up the front lawn and the food tables. The band's provided their own floodlights of course solly crossed the dimly lit kitchen as the owner of the catering. Service busied himself at the sink with dirty cooking utensils when she opened the undersize door. That exposed the narrow hall. Walter was waiting. They briefly embraced ran down the stairway until it opened onto the seller. The caterer had said that when he stopped a seller with food drink he discovered that at the end of the short haul was what was left of a small servants room when the teams arrived at the end of the hall. They founded small toward. They couldn't open. Walter pounded furiously on the hinges than the latch. But still a door wouldn't open to one voice boomed out. who's there. They'd had enough ran back the way they'd come but couldn't find a stair what they've found down the hall was a coal chute with a sense of relief. They scrambled up and out of the side of the mansion but when they came around to the front lawn was lit with torches men and women were walking across along holding glasses filled with an amber colored liquid horsedrawn wagons. Were pulling up to the porch. As they made their way around toward the kitchen they passed men staggering drunk women in the shadows raising their skirts for sailors when they finally stepped into the kitchen. Founded being worked by asians. Walter half drags sally into the narrow juanita retrace their steps but she'd have none of it she'd wait. He swore he'd come back for her but he never did at midnight when it becomes apparent that the teams were missing parents. Teachers and students began a search solly. Komo's found crouching just inside the entrance to the narrow hall that led to the seller at the caterer said that he'd been down that hall a dozen or more times replenishing refreshments never seen her. She was in shock and remain hospitalized for over thirty five days when friends and neighbors came to visit. It's slowly came out what had happened. And what she and walter had seen when they'd come out of the cold. Shoot walter smith. He was never found saleh moved in with their stepmother. Got out of the hospital. The local paper came out with their story six months after leaving the hospital and moving in with their stepmother she received a visitor. He walked with limp. Who was slightly bent and luck vaguely familiar tour. He presented her with a driver's license and a birth certificate that showed he was walter. Schmidt key born eighteen. Seventy nine of course. She couldn't believe him and accused the old man of a hoax. The walter shook his head and told her he had no memory of his whereabouts for the past seventy five years but when he read the paper containing her story something was triggered. He smiled and shook his head. He told her of his last words before he ran down the hall that he would be back for her. Solid visited walter nursing home in seattle for two years until his passing. She married a real estate mogul some years later and convinced him to buy the hickok mansion out from under the wrecking crew. That had been on the place with husband in tow her way down the now crumbling stairs to the cellar than to the end of the hall. Where the door was forcefully removed in shock and horror at the contents of the room. She turned him buried her face in her husband's chest. The corner was a small skeleton wearing what was left of her graduating classes. Lettermans jacket the name of the town school. Sally and walter have all been changed. The hickok match again. Not the real name was restored and is now a washington state historic site. The room at the end of the hall was sealed. Never opened again so there. It is for you skeptics. A real story with real people that happened in nineteen seventy four. Just outside of seattle washington. Tomorrow we're going to take a look at what you have to believe how you have to believe for a destination to work well for you. This kit chrome thanks for listening.

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Real Monsters: The Clutter Family Murders

Real Monsters

1:09:38 hr | 3 months ago

Real Monsters: The Clutter Family Murders

"Hello hello hello. This is west from real monsters. Nuggets wanted to take a few seconds in talk to you about pinker. It is the easiest way to make a guest and believe me. That was something that i was looking for men. I had to take over the tech side of our operation. It's free that allows you to do a lot of stuff when you get in there so head on over to anchor dot. Fm start today to get your opinions out be heard it can definitely help you All right it's another thursday night. I remember gebert your host for real monsters joining me if i don't choke on my last by the pizza the lovely and talented west hob hybrid. Low hello hello i apologize if there are any issues tonight my skype seats crashing on the computer. You know what it just occurred to me. There was a windows update that i didn't want that went through last night. And that is what did it. They're punishing you for not. Updating you travel ably absolutely positively just horrible. yeah and we are here on another well. Almost anniversary of an infamous crime touching he. Yeah you're talking about the wee hours november fifteenth sixty years ago when an what we will be talking about Happening happened so yeah so Let's you know this is not the worst. Show that we've done before but i'm gonna go ahead and throw the warning up just in case you know idea. This is this is not for kids. yeah we don't have. We have some crime scene photos that are could be considered graphic and we will talk about some Pretty nasty shit. So if you don't like that stuff what the hell you doing here go somewhere else. Go watch disney. Plus you get your cultural learnings life of their. Have the yeah. Hi michelle We were briefly talking in the chat on the real monsters. Facebook page michelle. It's interesting things to say but yeah all right. Do we have any history. Besides what we're actually going to talk about. Just a few interesting things on the page. I don't know people saw this but a up around chicago. Actually kim fox the district attorney that kinda botched the whole jesse small et saying which is a very generous term little more accurate but at any rate up in her off as up around cook county they just swear in a therapy dog to help child victims of sexual assault specifically which i thought was pretty cool. All that's a great idea. Yeah i think so too will definitely let see was an alabama man got ten million dollars after it while his family got ten million dollars after his death being left in a jail. Cell say apparently drugged this poor guy when he was complaining of some issues with his neck dragon from cell to cell. So it's horrible. Yeah basically and then you have the Woman out in california got a bucket of hot. Diarrhea dumped on her head. Yes so was that included inner travel package extra for that. I don't know all california experience. Basically i had to label that one on the page not satire. just so people know it's so hard to tell these days. Yeah i'm not even sure. What exactly would charge that guy with. If it were spit. it could be considered reckless endangerment and assault. Yeah i was just thinking that if he were to spit on an officer they would charge him with assault. So may yeah. It seems things getting third out there in quite a lot of areas and that is really all i had no way of needs for right now so good. 'cause we got plenty to go off of here we do. You definitely do all says in the chat somewhere. I had some legal documents She had a really interesting post on the page about the clatters. Yeah yeah fantasizing going for that to read it. Let's see worked at the garden city telegram newspaper for time and actually lived within sight of the house for a while. So that's pretty interesting because the house out there where the four clutter family members were murdered is still standing. Actually actually built the thing about i. Think eleven year before the the The police department there in garden city has their own article about the this case Yeah i mean they had quite a lot about it and you know it's interesting because there's a lot of artifacts that stretch pretty far out west with it the vegas las vegas. Pd was very influential. In how perry smith and dick hickok would ultimately caught. So let's dive into this shit. It sounds pretty fun while not fun but you know what i mean. Well you know i. It's interesting how it of affected these psyche of the american people. Look at it. It's really the first home invasion that was caught in it gets he could say amplified by mass media. Right in just sort of went from there. People got scared and they got more and more scared as the years. Go on with us in. It's interesting because i think the home invasions kinda get more brutal with how it's been covered to michael stone who we've talked quite a bit about on this show the forensic with the twenty two point scale of evil. He was talking a bit about hickok in smith. And how like we were saying. Their crime was kind of subdued. Especially when you compare it to the two thousand seven headed home invasion out in connecticut. Dr steven pettit. His house was invaded by. Two guys like in holcomb. Kansas and they ultimately. They knocked the doctor unconscious. They forced his wife to withdraw fifteen k from their bank account then they brutally raped her in the eleven year old daughter before setting them in the house on fire. G. is so. Couldn't you call va liska a home invasion. I would suppose so. Although i guess kind of when i think of home invasion it's more on money. It revolves more around gut. I mean maybe. I'm wrong in saying that but i think i think there's some accuracy to that statement Yeah i mean when. I do home invasions. That's how that's why i do it. Well there you go. Yeah i mean you know. L. later the the clutter family out there in western kansas. Because that's why we're talking about talking about roughly Seventy miles from the colorado border and i ended up for our graphics. You did not. Oh really yeah. I love maps my apologies. There i saw you did somehow. It didn't show up in the carousel. Oh excuse me for you. I'll get that ready. It doesn't wanna show it's weird. Yeah yeah we're talking about that that batch that you sent his just doesn't want to didn't it doesn't want to open up okay Well we're talking about that close to colorado in also close to oklahoma so the southwest part of the state as we were saying. Yeah i'll get my own Image of america their guy. I think it's good to see the clutter. Say they were very active in the community out there. Herb clutter forty five and his wife. Bonnie was also forty five and then they had several kids. Although only two were home at the time of the murder they had one who was studying nursey in kansas city. So on the other side of the state okay. And then they had a Another one who had moved away as well but was would visit as often as she. Could you know herb. He made his name as a farmer as philanthropist. He was very involved in building the message. The newer methodist church at the time in nearby garden city in that interestingly also ties into how fortunate they were with the investigators on this case. Which will yeah. We'll get to a bit. Yeah in herb. Also head experience and was respected actually out in washington dc where he did something with the federal government and farming. I don't think it was department of ag. But it was something that was allied to those sorts of okay. Her visits in helping. The policymakers out. There you know the family was known for being relatively normal although bonnie head her issues submit herb called spells. I don't think it was anything depression. Anxiety i would hate to call it hysteria but that might have still been what they would've called it back then but she was hospitalized a couple of times for it but as far as i could tell it was nothing really major with a dissenting. She would get from time to time. But yeah and that you know. It's the clutter family. They leave the all american sort of family out here in a town that only had a population of i think it was only about a hundred at the time holcomb was unincorporated back. Then it was known for you know that sort of gravel drives a place where everybody keeps their doors unlocked because he really have nothing to fear that sorta place where everybody knows their neighbors but then comes along. These two guys richard eugene. Hey born nineteen thirty to kansas city into a Family that they weren't really poor but they weren't really middle-class. They couldn't road that sorta line there. Yeah you could say And they hit a fam- a farm out in edgerton kansas. That would later become a focus of the that investigation as it were of a search warrant in particular but you know it was while he was behind bars that he was told by another inmate. That this guy. This herb clutter had a safe on his farm in he kept around ten thousand dollars senate and you look at some of these other says rumors. Yeah yeah and you look at some of these other sources and they basically say. That hitchcock was badgering this guy because it had me wondering considering. They only found about fifty dollars in that house. Yeah it had me wonder how this guy who s michelle says. Tat was a former farmhand of herb. Clutter could get it so wrong in saying he has ten thousand dollars but they only find fifty in the house. It's a pretty big dispiriting. You ever played telegraph. This is true. This is true but it does kind of eliminate some spots in that sorta chain when you have a guy word there he had but he might have heard that rumor before he worked for them it could or he. I mean there's several explanations one is he. He exaggerated it to get him the guy off his ass over this right. Leave me alone. Shut up asia. Yeah tell them a story and he'll leave you alone right. Yeah yeah and he'll finally just be quiet about it right. The other is is that maybe he ran across other farmhands who had also worked there and and that was a rumor going around amongst the transit transitory. Far man's 'cause a lot of them did move from farm to farm like they still do this today for planning and picking and in different tasks elliott in agriculture nitsa. Michelle said that Herb was he was known to use texts for everything. That part's interesting. You know another thing. I was wondering with that. You had you know these. It was very common practice in the great depression not to put money in back. Yes exactly i wonder. How many farms around that area. Where maybe that was still something popular that people would do not use banks. Oh yeah. I absolutely true You know my grandparents all went through the depression and they were you know. By the time. I came along. They were all used to banks again. But there was definitely a bl. You know there there. Was this dichotomy this this this tension between oil banks keep our money safe and also we don't trust them right. Yeah what if there's a failure went right if you again. If there's a repeat of the nineteen thirties so a it was a real challenge for people of that era to you know to fully trust banks and some people really did never get over it. Some people never got over the things that they went through the depression. You know you'd see a lot of a lot of hoarding came out of that. Oh yeah i mean mattress money not just weird shit like judge. Moore's and lids in boxes in just weird shit. I mean my mom would do that. Ed cartons and shit. You know that she would say it was going to be for some creative project. Only never did the creative project so they just piled up absolutely in. You know this guy on that hickok was easing. Its source in plumbing information. Floyd wells was the name we just flipping through the rest of my notes. Yeah he was actually a farmhand when they built the house on that. So nineteen forty eight and apparently he said that while they were building that he saw her for lumber with large bills in several of them will. Yeah that doesn't mean he keeps it around. Obviously you know. I mean looking at it from our distance winger well. He knew this order was coming. He probably went to the bank and got the money. Yeah he just went inside and dug into his. You know safe. Yeah just go get some cash from the bank to pay the contract right as it were. Yeah but yeah you as they were talking more and more about that and they brought perry smith in on. This hickok apparently told him that they were going to use any cash proceeds for a deep sea fishing boat in south america Although you know it's funny that got but we'll get to that as well after the crime you know. I think that hitchcock honestly has the more interesting history. Okay i would have him an perry smith with these guys because he like we were talking a bit about his family background there. He was known as a decent kid when he was growing up for. Most video is a decent athlete. Good student people like but then when he was nineteen he was in a car accident. Head trauma tell me it was. It was head trauma. Damn it goes again. Yeah there it is reappearing in when he was in this accident. His car flipped. And he damn near drown in a puddle to on top of it but Yeah his family. Were saying you know if you look at it. Just the way like his is the way that they were set. You can see it but they also talked a lot about his personality changing and this is a common thing with head. Trauma is not all regarding henry shut. You don't go from a in fact. I would say most head injury victims. Don't go from an asshole to super nice gentle person. It tends to go the other way. Get angry and violent in. I think that that is really shown with on hickok the more that we look at him with that and it was actually something that the shrink who examined him after all. This was looking at pretty in depth. But yeah right. After that happened he starts drinking more he started. Some woman is more any infants. He goes through three wives in his young life. I mean you're talking about a guy who you know was executed not long after the crime in his thirties really and he goes through three wives. He goes through several jobs in the ultimately sinks in to check kiting and other petty crime Yeah it's it's really amazing in a from a you know distant perspective the kinds of changes that can take place from a from a brain. Injury is just a stunning really. How that wiring can get so fucked up just like boom. it's defense. it really is and sorry. This youtube is having initially to where it's not letting me type anything in the comments. I'm trying. I bought it as her trying to fix it as we're talking here to But you had all that going on. And i wonder if it didn't just totally screw his impulse control immigrant especially. Oh yeah yeah in how it affects. It depends a lot on what area the brain gets. Whacked yeah in an impulse. It would be the frontal lobes particularly n. Perry smith also has kind of an interesting background when you look at it. His parents were rodeo full. Okay and they were really kind of famous in that circuit is dad was a white guy and his mother was in india and ultimately with that i forget what it was that really precipitated it but maybe she was promiscuous beforehand. His mother but she apparently invited a bunch of sailors over to their house. When dad was away. Wholesome sailors in kansas. Well this isn't in kansas out. I think it was anchorage alaska. They were there that makes more sense. Yeah yeah yeah michelle. I do apologize. I am just now getting on there. And i think i'm able to comment. Now let's give it shot I don't know what is up with my technology tonight is just horrible there. We go now. A chilling but Yeah that happened up in anchorage. And apparently his dad basically drove them away and he had some issues with alcohol himself and starter beating the mother and that is when she took perry and went to san francisco in a short time after that. The father was incarcerated basically from their inches win even more downhill for perry and he ended up in a catholic school where he suffered quite often from in so one third of detriot of sociopathic right. There suffered from which again bed wedding scott bed wedding. Jesus scientists air. Yeah you had that. And he told the story to a good of his was a character witness for mattis kreil. It was an army buddy because he served in the army in korea although he really didn't see any action. And that's where you got to know this guy. But he was telling the story to him about the nuns would beat him sunday unmerciful at this school of bed wedding and in fact he still had a scar on his penis. From where apparently they Damn near severed what. Yeah from the punishment. How sensibly for you in bed wedding priests and nuns weren't part of a church organization. The shit they did would get so many of them thrown in jail. Oh absolutely i mean. It happens with a lot of not excusing catholicism. But it does happen with a lotta denominations eighteen. It's horrible any way you look at it you know. And that's a whole other rabbit hole about they take. Yeah that's a that's a show in itself. Yeah you really is. So how does a rodeo guy rodeo family end up in anchorage at the. I don't know that that you know the answer. But it's kind of curious isn't it. I don't think there's a lot of rodeo in alaska. maybe there is no not to my knowledge. I'm not sure how honestly they got up there. But they did live there for a time. Maybe we'd have something to do with another heritage should be In absolutely so that you know it's basically perry smits history from there. He turns into a petty thief fan. Allegedly he tells stick when he met him that he killed a black guy in fifty five over something minor. But there's really no proof of that is basically greco e just making shit up to impress him the thinking. Yeah basically with that and it's because of that decides to take him along when they get out of prison to go and rob the clutter. It's because he had just gotten off of the five year stretch for stealing guns and trying to pawn in kansas city. So which want smith hickok. Okay yes it's part of the petty crime and like i said a lot of check kiting woods his dixon. So there's nothing there's no background for either of these guys that anybody any reasonable person would say is a predictor of what was going to happen. You know. I think he could find that in there really to get them into you. Know petty crime and then ultimately escalating to what happened in holcomb sync with a the home invasion. Yes but not the murders though right. Oh well yeah. I guess you could say that about the murder part. Yeah and when you get to the confessions with that hickok allegedly wanted it done purely away to wipe them out as witness But even that rabbit hole gets a bit deeper as we'll get to do as getting abbott whole. Yeah we're getting there so it's november fifteenth. They make their way to the house out there after they had heard about it. They gain entry through an office store. That was as we said. Unlocked with holcombe being holcomb everybody knowing each other right in they find mr clark in in case people find this. I mean you hear about it but it really was the case. People tin lock their doors especially in the rural areas. Because you just didn't have anybody strangers just didn't come by and just didn't have. Yeah right. yeah. I mean they relieve they. Did you people literally knew everybody around there. Yeah but Yeah they make their way in there. They find mr clutter in a tie him up and question him about the safe that they think is in there and he says i haven't got to say any ultimately gets to with it saying if i had one. Yeah you would have it. I will give you the money no problem to basically get you out of here right. So you know they keep. They keep trying basically interrogating him so he's not define them he's not belligerent. No in fact. I believe it was it was a kindly gentleman was the quote. Exact quote was something to the degree of. He was kindly gentleman until i slid his through. Or i thought he was. Kindly gentleman until then so you know. After that they go in they get bonnie clutter out bet and they bring her down to where the husband is ad and she tells him the same thing. We haven't got a sit in by now terry being a little bit more i think of a savvy guy in a little bit more controlled is starting to say well. Maybe they're telling the truth here. Maybe they really don't have the save but hickok adamant about it. So what did they do. They find out who else was in. Hell's they go in they wait up the fifteen year old kenyon smith the fifteen year old son and bring him down there in yaas. Sensibly asked the same question. Instill dick is on this kick about it. You have to. They have a safe. They have a state they had to save. So they go and they get nancy. Sixteen year old nancy. Clutter at of herb room. Bring her down. Put them all in the bathroom. And i would assume she says the same thing. They haven't got a safe and all the while one of them is going through the house looking for money looking for valuables and ultimately all they found in the way of that was about fifty bucks and then a pair of binoculars and a portable radio which. I'm not totally sure why you would take listen for the news with. But if you're there to rob you. I would think that may be misled of a little bit of jewel. So this was again. What year was this. Forty fifty eight fifty nine right Yeah yeah this is. This is nine hundred so a portable radio was kind of a valuable thing in those days. Absolutely absolutely yeah. They were not all that in that at that time. Not until the not tell. The space program made the transistor's cheap. Did they come down in price. I know there you go. I guess. I guess it's just weird right. The first thing they regret. I would think it'd be a like gum jewelry like said guns right or i don't know well. Farmer would have had a shotgun at the very least. Oh yeah absolutely would add something there. Yeah but they had them all in the dassler and dick according to perry smith's confession This is getting more and more frustrated and you have to remember that hickok. Basically brought perry along because he thought to have. Somebody killed this guy to do it right. So he's right right so ultimately what they do. Is they decide to segregate. They take bonnie backup to her bedroom tyrod. That's the backup to hers. Which ones yeah the mom and the daughter they okay. Yes separate bedrooms. Their bedrooms k. and then After binding both of them they have heard clatter in the cellar along with kenyan but again in different rooms down there guy. I think we have some pictures of that. I think it's time to try those out. Yeah and ultimately what they do is perry smith slits the throat of herb clutter and then he hands the knife to dick and says dick. You gotta do your part now but apparently what hickok did with that was just stuck the knife in the same. Hold that perry had made okay. But but after that smith picks up the shotgun and a sensibly he says again in his confession that i picked it up to put him out of his misery because her bed and i and he shoots him in fact the quote with that again for he talked about seeing a flash of blue light and then seen herbs head explode dark. The only light at this juncture is flashlights. They hit that's ed guy. But they do that to herb and then move along to. Kenyan is also dead for One twelve gauge wound to his head. Then according to hickox confession up to on nancy's room and she was interesting because she was the only one who was posed on her stomach in the back of her head so he was shot basically execution style in her bed while all the others were face up and then they moved on and they did the same to be but face a inundate a Basically fifty bucks in your pocket. That was it and radian. Well yeah radio. In hockey killers is interesting because their bodies were found on morning by friends who ric urea swin. Nobody was answering at the house and nobody was. That is when they knocked on the door. Nobody was answering cars. Were in the garage and when they win over to another house. That had a phone in tried calling in. Nobody was answering. What did the week or so did this happen. I i don't think you mentioned it. Says sunday when they found the body. Sunday the fifteenth. All right. so there's a saturday night so People might have missed him at church. For example yes stabbed was a big thing with it And they ultimately decided that they were going to go into the back of the house so they let them through that door and a coupla be daughters. I believe it was. The walt family was the name. The father rory iwo had brought his two daughters over a sensibly to get the clutter and go to church. The daughters ultimately go in thinking okay. Maybe they're sleeping really hard right. Get their way up to nancy's room. They find blood splatter on the wall and they find her in bed they rush out and they go and they get the share and he walks through there in to his credit. One of the first things that he decides to do is going. Get a guy by the name of alvin. We have his picture in there. He was a church. Mate of herb. Clutter in the clutter families. He knew them personally but he was also a detective with the kansas bureau of investigation. So this guy. What a smart move. Yeah i mean he's not keystone cop right in he. And evaluates this in one of the things that one of the interesting observations. I thought he ad it's really as far as the earlier uses of what could be called a profiles logic Was looking at how. Nancy was positioned. And so what do we reason was. Whoever did this look the rest of the family in the eye as they killed them but they couldn't do that with her. It had to be somebody who knew her or thought they knew her in done where that led them. I was to her boyfriend. A guy by the name of rupp which you know. I'm sure with any investigation. That's likely where it's going to go to a new one for right but he was cleared because he had an alibi. But what's interesting is it dube's logic. There still applies if you look at hickok and smith because hickok later admitted in his confession yeah that he knew there was a girl there and this is there no no no he was talking to the other guy who worked there and he knew they had a daughter. Okay hickok knew that and come to find out. Mr hickok also has a history of pedophilia. One of his wives was sixteen when he married her and while he was with this live he knocked up a thirteen year old. Oh my god yes in. He later said in his confession. That i it. Basically the reason he kept pushing onto safe was because he knew the girl was there that was his drive for going. Oh you wanted to see the girl and oh by the way there's money yeah basically. Wow so i think you could argue ultimately. This was not a robbery. It was a sex crime but nobody was raped right. No he wanted to rate nancy but it was actually perry who talked out of it. i don't know how much you can believe this part of it but he said that he was ready to fight. If he tried to do that. I don't know why. Even among criminals are a bit of a code of honor yeah pedophile files are not thought of even amongst criminals are not well thought of and ray in general and -solutely and they get a horrible time behind bars next to really just police mars but yet that you know ultimately became. I think the real noted there. Oh that's interesting yet and heard that before. And i don't think a lot of people really knew that an even when you had Truman capote harper lee coming in to start their research for what would become in cold blood basically the novel. That started the american obsession with true crime. Once you get down to it right the interesting. I didn't know that capote and harper lee were actually neighborhoods in alabama. Yeah they grew up basically right next to each other but ended also being shortly before she published her pulitzer prize winning novel to kill a mockingbird. But they get there and capote. He's kind of an abrasive guy for instance he told. Dewey alvin dewey when you first met in that i don't care if the cases solved i just want to me. It's like why are you going to say that to the lead investigator if you want info. Yeah well yeah in new york right. Yeah yeah and he also spent a lotta time on the gossip pages very new york newspapers. Because of his exploits capote did. So he was. He was used to being abrasive and have it. Just be a matter. Of course yeah. He not personally. I think as a journalist that sometimes you have to be a bit abrasive but to me. It's a whole other level to be kinda stupid abrasive when you're telling the lead investigator you don't care if it solved or not. Yeah because it's kind of counter-productive to say well. It doesn't make a good story either so that he should very much care if it gets solved because it's a better story that way shortsighted in a lot of ways. Yeah yeah in a lot of ways. Yeah michelle says he From what i understand. He wasn't really well. Received in garden city in holcomb. And like i said was rather turned off initially but capote in harper lee actually manage to for the work their way into dewey's good grace and it because of that they were ultimately with him when they got the call from las vegas pd that hey we see these two guys you've been looking for in. Interestingly the way that they were caught with that was kind of different because they were hitchhiking and driving all over the country and ultimately what they did win they win for the hitchhiked from mexico to barstow california. They had all the shit that they were carrying with them. Sent to themselves in las vegas. They mail it. Yeah okay they mailed it and that was what the police saw so all right. So where do these guys go after the murders. What was i like. I said really all over the country. They talked about being in florida south carolina and even down into mexico. Phoenix was one. They stole a car in iowa but ultimately were they ended up when they were arrested was vegas so this couldn't be considered the start of a spree killing because they didn't they weren't ever considered for other murder around the country or anything right actually in twenty thirteen day alleged. They were alleged to have been involved in murdering a family and service. In where in florida. Sarasota florida oh sarasota. Yeah and apparently they had enough probable cause to exhume. The bodies period smith cock ring in that article back up. If it's one. I saw on the wall street journal. So when they exhumed him were were they after dna. I think so. Yeah i was just looking to see if i could bring that back up because i didn't see if anything came of that whether they Liked him and considered the case solved. Or what has comments michelle says that. She heard that there was not a match. Okay thank you michelle. Make you for your other contributions to throughout. Yeah jesse in the comments. Thanks for being smart ass commissioner on. Espn alternately you had a like. I said a Shrink who looked at both of them. That guilt was beyond question. So what the defense's strategy had to be pleading insanity for that in shrink who looked at him was like i said genuinely intrigued with on dickey cock and his organic brain injury and i would guess that the the diagnosis with something like that would acquired psychopathy. Which you don't see that often but you do see a there has to be some some causal effect. Something causes somebody to have that happen to them. It's not just something you grow into for example. We'll typically liar schizophrenia. Where you know you get to a certain age and it just happens to you right and they would be acquired part of that right. What you're saying. yeah Which he had those findings. Swiss hickok and then with perry smith. It was a little bit more interesting. He said that he had annoyed street in that quote his fantasy life bordered on delusion so essentially what he said. Perry smith was was a borderline psychotic but interestingly with the trial they got the shrink up on the stand and the only question that the judge would allow them to ask was. Did these guys know right and wrong. When they committed the crime interesting. It's yeah and so the shrink was forced to say with decay cock. I believe he did with perry smith. I'm not so sure was essentially his answers so yeah in that trial ultimately ended in the jury was only out for thirty minutes and gave him the death penalty by hanging which we actually have a picture of the gallows that both of them were hung on. Yeah yeah that'll become an around in the slights in a second. yep so how. How long were they. You know this is the kind of the This is before the big anti-death penalty and prisoner rights reform started coming along. When the distance between a sentence in a in a execution could be days in some cases. Initially they had it set up for about ninety days after the verdict which was nineteen sixty k. Particularly hickok when he was behind in the like really invoked his rights with that yeah and ultimately it was april fourteenth nineteen sixty five win. Both of them are on so by today's standards. That's still pretty fast. Yeah oh yeah absolutely. Five years seems like Like nothing in the net steph wage. Yeah yeah i honestly. I don't even stretched out that long if it wasn't for hand doing that writing so there's been a lot of media generated over this This one case. Yes starting with likely said capote's book really well in the headlines of the day to nan in nineteen sixty seven is when the first movie that came out the black and white movie with. Actually robert blake. Yeah as as perry smith and that's a that's a pretty good match. I gotta say well you mean because of his physical yeah. It's also pretty match. Because blake himself was charged with murder in the nineties. I determined he thought he got out of that. He was that up. But i remember it was a bit of a circus now. My understanding was that robert blake was a pretty smart fellow pretty above average iq and but his trial seemed to be a bit of a circus. I would imagine on. Both of those counts definitely. Say tends to be whenever. There's a celebrity who is on trial because that was what the late nineties early two thousands like. Yeah and by then you know blake had made his mark in in cold blood the lead character on beretta for most people know him from he was he also did a cop. Movie electra glide. In blue repented. Motorcycle cop that watch that. I haven't seen that one but yeah you had. That movie. had this remake of in cold blood which i honestly never seen or heard of until he was acquitted by the way. Yeah okay yeah. I thought so. And then you had capote with the late. Philip seymour hoffman. Which told the story of how they wrote and researched in cold blood. I didn't know that to kill. A mockingbird was connected to this case. Yeah yup harper. Lee was the research assistant basically for capote. I did not know that. Throughout in i wonder if she might have been a little bit more socially minded. I guess you could say then he was. Maybe acting as the sort of bridge with that as it. Were you people on this. Show it about my pension for collecting old autographed books and an autographed copy of in cold. Blood is when. I've been after for a while so we'll see if i ever managed to find one. Yeah there you go. That could be a that. Could be a good find to get michelle. Says when a lease characters was based on caponi. She's not totally sure which one that is a good question. I was just reading a bit about Harper lee's lost novel the other day too which is interesting in and of itself. It's about a lawyer down in alabama and a family which has a rather bizarre history of murder suicide in may okay. The family i think was pushing to get that released to but they just never did now. When things are left up to airs a lot of errors occur. Yeah yeah because. I'm not sure about the dynamics from harbor leads state that either. I thought the family had a lot of the notes that she produced on it too. If you've never been involved in inheritance people get really weird. They really do people. You think you know really well. Start acting very strange who i am. Sure man. i've never been involved in it myself but just looking to see here. We go from the guardian. I'll share the lincoln. The chat get the real story behind harper. Lee's lost novel because it was bizarre. I remember like. I said i'm doing this with one hand which i usually don't do because i'm having having to hold the phone and my headset do so yet. That is it and not really the most in. It's not really anywhere near the most disgusting or disturbing thing we've looked at on this show but we should never forget what happened to these poor people know and you know i. I saw a very long documentary series about this little girl from england who disappeared in portugal. Madeleine mccann yeah and how you know part of it. Talks about the case but part of it also talks about the reaction to the case The media side of things and how much the media got involved in worldwide. And all this shit. And i remember one of the journalists. Made a comment that you know trying to understand. Why does this case. Get attention in another case that seems very similar to it doesn't get attention and their take on it was. It's not so much about the person but how but the story around how you know how things happen. What it's about. What happens the circumstances of what happens in other words. You know in this case. The girl was kidnapped out of her out of the condo. Waller family was just yards away. That's that's the compelling part. It's not that she was a little english girl. Although that doesn't yeah doesn't hurt so much but you know it's a interesting story about what happened. Yeah and they looked at it from the human interest side right and a lotta stuff and so in this somewhat to. Yeah in this case you know. This is a god fearing churchgoing salt of the earth. Family that just gives wiped out for no good reason. So that's the that's the interesting part you know it's has a very similar thing to you. Know it's why do we know about the liska over there. Axe murders of the time. Why do we know Or board Some story stick and others don't in the imagination of the reading public the the consumer side of things it needs a needs a hook that gets people interested and it's not so much the people generally speaking when we're not talking about famous people. It's how they went missing how they died. And that's especially this case to the utter senselessness right right when they win. There wasn't even a safe. They're exactly exactly. It's the strength of the story that makes one case capture the imagination of the public versus another absolutely and of course it doesn't hurt that mass media at that time you know this is when people started by tuning into. Tv's a lot more. it was. It was still ramping up I know my family. Of course we didn't have a lot of money. Took us quite a while to after into the sixties before we got a television but so but it was. It was a growing phenomenon and that helped for sure. Radio was going gangbusters still. Yep absolutely yeah. I mean it's interesting and i hope it's never forgotten by people for anybody who gets it. The sundance channel I personally watch minds through my amazon prime account but on the sundance channel. They have rather interesting series. That was done by joe. Berlinger of paradise lost fame. That's called cold blooded. It's all about so. I've seen the nineties era mini series. I wonder if that was the one that i posted. Lesabre sam neill yes okay. That was the poster that i got okay and that is available on prime. Is it a good watch compared to the original. It's been a while since. I've seen either one of them. But i remember i remember liking pretty. Well yeah anthony edwards. I think is one of the. I think he plays smith. I like him. he's a good actor. I really liked him like zodiac as a cop Yeah in the original is pretty impeccable. In my opinion yeah. And like. I said i haven't seen i think it let one. I think black light was the right call for that one to it's lutely richard rooks director of that one. All right anything else to add for this. I think we pretty much covered it. No no fun. Michelle head anything else with that. Yeah i like the original better to definitely. Yeah absolutely in robert blake. He was a. He's a heck of a act an actor. You know what. I'm getting off a bit on a tangent. What movie he's excellent. And in my opinion and i might eat kind of crucified for a david lynch's lost highway. God lynch such a weird robert blake is perfect is the mystery man in that but yeah she definitely right. Michelle won't be forgotten around there. Or i think in a lot of small towns it still reverberates sleep people. Thank you for your contributions to having somebody who was a local and also on worked in journalism in the area. Yes talk the this. Yeah we really appreciate listen and contributing to that end okay. I will call this when good for sarah tune in next week. We'll have some more mayhem for you yet when we figure out our topic for then which we haven't done you know you haven't yet we'll we'll we'll find something. I don't think we've run out. No chevy problem. Good night all night long

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A bridge of ice at Niagara Falls

Retropod

05:25 min | 1 year ago

A bridge of ice at Niagara Falls

"This winter joined the Washington Post in its fight against hunger homelessness and poverty with the contribution to post helping hand to learn more and donate visit post host helping hand dot com. Hey history lovers. I'm Mike Rosenwasser with retro pod. A show about the past rediscovered. If you go to Niagara Falls in the winter you might witness something remarkable. The violent torrents at the base will seem to disappear the spot where the freezing cold water of the falls crashes into the rocks below will free solid and then comes the remarkable part giant. Ice floes will form there and sometimes if you're lucky enough. Ice will build up to connect United States to Canada. If if you have seen this you have seen the Niagara Falls by speech. At one time in history people would hang out on the ice bridge play on it and even even walk along it to cross the border between the two countries. It connects these days though. People don't set foot on the ice bridge anymore. The Niagara Ice Bridge used to be a busy destination in winter. In the eighteen. Eighty s children would ride sleds there in the shadow of the gushing falls entrepreneur soul food and drinks from makeshift concession stands to the tourist rolling back and forth between the United States in Canada. One Guy described as a sharp rogue in the Niagara Falls Gazette built a shanty in the middle of the massive bridge. Right right on the border. Between the two countries technically no laws apply there and he took advantage of this technicality to sell liquor from his hut but one afternoon the festivities on the flows crumbled. It was February fourth. Nine thousand nine hundred twelve about three. He doesn't people were on the bridge. When suddenly a giant block of ice fell onto the allowed practicing Lewis could mean only one thing flows through breaking apart? According to an account from the Buffalo Evening News most people quickly scrambled off the the bridge to land solidly on either side. But eldridge and Clara Stanton a married couple in the pair of seventeen year old friends. Burrell Hickok Ignatius. Roth found themselves caught on a large chunk of ice headed rapidly downstream towards dangerous rapids and the Niagara Whirlpool not good. Rothen Hickok decided to make a leap for their lives. Roth made it to shore in a condition described as more dead than alive but hearing a scream from Clara Stanton. Hickok turned back to help the panic. A couple he missed his chance and the three hurdled. Closer to disaster. Spectators gathered to watch from above the ice broke apart again. Separating Hickok from the Stanton's a group of quick thinking repairman who were among the spectators launched a rescue plan. They ran a rope over the side of the bridge and dangled it for Hickok to catch as he came closer in a burst of strength. Hitchcock grasped hold of the line in the crowd cheered as the workers began hoisting him from one hundred and sixty feet above above then the cheers gateway to Hor about halfway to safety hickok script gave out and he crashed back to the ice below. Hickok struggled to get to his feet but a moment later the ice floe leftover and he was gone. Meanwhile wild the Stanton's clung together as they're ice floe headed toward the rapids. The Buffalo Evening News Accounts said that upon realizing leising their fate. Mr Stanton put his coat around his wife and they melt together in prayer before the ice flipped then they disappeared in the river's current. None of the bodies were ever recovered over the Niagara Falls. Ice Bridge was closed to visitors. The following day I'm Mike Rosenfeld. Thanks for listening. This episode was adapted from a story written by Christine when Phillips for the Washington Post for more forgotten stories from history visit Washington Post Dot com slash Retro Pot Um hum contributions to post helping hand go directly to services run by beneficiaries fisheries bright beginnings and St village and so others might eat that provides shelter food education and other services to those less fortunate and the Washington D._C.. Region learn more at post helping hand dot com.

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Real Monsters: The Deadly '50s

Real Monsters

2:37:04 hr | 2 months ago

Real Monsters: The Deadly '50s

"Hello hello hello. This is west from real monsters. A nuggets wanted to take a few seconds in talk to you about pinker. It is the easiest way to make a guest and believe me. That was something that i was looking for men. I had to take over the tech side of our operation. It's free that allows you to do a lot of stuff when you get in there so head on over to anchor dot. Fm start today to get your opinions out be heard it can definitely help you All right it's another thursday night. I remember gebert joining me if i don't choke on my last by the pizza. The lovely and talented west hob hybrid. Low hello hello i apologize if there are any issues tonight my skype seats crashing on the computer. You know what it just occurred to me. There was a windows update that i didn't want that went through last night. And that is what did it. They're punishing you for not. Updating you travel ably absolutely positively just horrible. yeah and we are here on another well. Almost anniversary of an infamous crime touching he. Yeah you're talking about the wee hours november fifteenth sixty years ago when an what we will be talking about Happening happened so yeah so Let's you know this is not the worst. Show that we've done before but i'm gonna go ahead and throw the warning up just in case you know idea. This is this is not for kids. yeah we don't have. We have some crime scene photos that are could be considered graphic and we will talk about some Pretty nasty shit. So if you don't like that stuff what the hell you doing here go somewhere else. Go watch disney. Plus you get your cultural learnings life of their. Have the yeah. Hi michelle We were briefly talking in the chat on the real monsters. Facebook page michelle. It's interesting things to say but yeah all right. Do we have any history. Besides what we're actually going to talk about. Just a few interesting things on the page. I don't know people saw this but a up around chicago. Actually kim fox the district attorney that kinda botched the whole jesse small et saying which is a very generous term little more accurate but at any rate up in her off as up around cook county they just swear in a therapy dog to help child victims of sexual assault specifically which i thought was pretty cool. All that's a great idea. Yeah i think so too will definitely let see was an alabama man got ten million dollars after it while his family got ten million dollars after his death being left in a jail. Cell say apparently drugged this poor guy when he was complaining of some issues with his neck dragon from cell to cell. So it's horrible day basically and then you have the Woman out in california. Got a bucket of hot. Diarrhea dumped on her head. Yes so was that included inner travel package extra for that. I don't know all california experience. Basically i had to label. That went on the page not satire. just so people know. It's so hard to tell these days. Yeah i'm not even sure. What exactly would charge that guy with. If it were spit it could be considered reckless endangerment and assault. Yeah i was just thinking that if he were to spit on an officer they would charge him with assault. So may yeah. It seems things getting absurd out there in quite a lot of areas and that is really all i had no way of needs for right now so good. 'cause we got plenty to go off of here we do you definitely do. Oh michelle says in the chat somewhere. I had some legal documents She had a really interesting post on the page about the clatters. Yeah yeah fantasizing going for that to read it. Let's see worked at the garden city telegram newspaper for time and actually lived within sight of the house for a while. So that's pretty interesting because the house out there where the four clutter family members were murdered is still standing. Actually actually built the thing about i. Think eleven year before the the The police department there in garden city has their own article about the this case Yeah i mean they had quite a lot about it and you know it's interesting because there's a lot of artifacts that pretty far out west with it the vegas las vegas. Pd was very influential. In how perry smith and dick hickok would ultimately caught. So let's dive into this shit. It sounds pretty fun while not fun but you know what i mean. Well you know i. It's interesting how it of affected these psyche of the american people. Look at it. It's really the first home invasion that was caught in gets he could say amplified by mass media. Right in just sort of went from there. People got scared and they got more and more scared as the years. Go on with us in. It's interesting because i think the home invasions kinda get more brutal with how it's been covered to michael stone who we've talked quite a bit about on this show the forensic with twenty two point scale of evil. He was talking a bit about hickok and smith. And how like we were saying their crime was kind of subdued. Especially when you compare it to the two thousand seven pettit home invasion out in connecticut. Dr stephen pettit his house was invaded by. Two guys like in holcomb. Kansas and they ultimately. They knocked the doctor unconscious. They forced his wife to withdraw fifteen k from their bank account then they brutally raped her in the eleven year old daughter before setting them in the house on fire. G. is so. Couldn't you call va liska a home invasion. I would suppose so. Although i guess kind of when i think of home invasion it's more on money. It revolves more around gut. I mean maybe. I'm wrong in saying that but i think i think there's some accuracy to that statement Yeah i mean when. I do home invasions. That's how that's why i do it. Well there you go. Yeah i mean you know. L. later the the clutter family out there in western kansas. Because that's why we're talking about talking about roughly Seventy miles from the colorado border. And i think up for our graphics. You did not. Oh really yeah. I love maps my apologies. There i saw you did somehow. It didn't show up in the carousel. Oh excuse me for you. I'll get that ready. It doesn't wanna show it's weird. Yeah yeah we're talking about that that batch that you sent his just doesn't want to didn't it doesn't want to open up okay Well we're talking about that close to colorado in also close to oklahoma so the southwest part of the state as we were saying. Yeah i'll get my own Image of america their guy. I think it's good to see the clutter. Say they were very active in the community out there. Herb clutter forty five and his wife. Bonnie was also forty five and then they had several kids. Although only two were home at the time of the murder they had one who was studying nursey in kansas city. So on the other side of the state okay. And then they had a Another one who had moved away as well but was would visit as often as she. Could you know herb. He made his name as a farmer as philanthropist. He was very involved in building the message. The newer methodist church at the time in nearby garden city in that interestingly also ties into how fortunate they were with the investigators on this case. Which will yeah. We'll get to a bit. Yeah in herb. Also head experience and was respected actually out in washington dc where he did something with the federal government and farming. I don't think it was department of egg. But it was something that was allied to those sorts of okay. Her visits in helping. The policymakers out. There you know the family was known for being relatively normal although bonnie head her issues submit herb called spells. I don't think it was anything depression. Anxiety i hate to call it hysteria but that might have still been what they would've called it back then but she was hospitalized a couple of times for it but as far as i could tell it was nothing really major with a dissenting. She would get from time to time. But yeah and that you know. It's the clutter family. They leave the all american sort of family out here in a town that only had a population of i think it was only about a hundred at the time holcomb was unincorporated back. Then it was known for you know that sort of gravel drives a place where everybody keeps their doors unlocked because he really have nothing to fear that sorta place where everybody knows their neighbors but Then comes along these two guys richard. Eugene hey born nineteen thirty to kansas city into a Family that they weren't really poor but they weren't really middle-class. They couldn't road that sorta line there. Yeah you could say And they hit a fam- a farm out in edgerton kansas. That would later become a focus of the investigation as it were of a search warrant in particular but you know it was while he was behind bars that he was told by another inmate. That this guy. This herb clutter had a safe on his farm in he kept around ten thousand dollars senate and you look at some of these other says rumors. Yeah yeah and you look at some of these other sources and they basically say. That hitchcock was badgering this guy because it had me wondering considering they only found about fifty dollars in that house yeah it had me wonder how this guy who s michelle says. The tat was a former farmhand of herb clutter. Could get it so wrong. In saying he has ten thousand dollars but they only find fifty in the house. It's a pretty big dispiriting. You ever played telegraph. This is true. This is true but it does kind of eliminate some spots in that sorta chain when you have a guy word there he had but he might have heard that rumor before he worked for them it could or he. The there are several explanations one is he. He exaggerated it to get him the guy off his ass over this right. Leave me alone. Shut up asia. Yeah tell them a story and he'll leave you alone right. Yeah yeah and he'll finally just be quiet about it right. The other is is that maybe he ran across other farmhands who had also worked there and and that was a rumor going around amongst the transit transitory. Far man's 'cause a lot of them did move from farm to farm like they still do this today for planning and picking and in different tasks elliott in agriculture nitsa. Michelle said that Herb was he was known to use texts for everything. That part's interesting unite. Another thing. I was wondering with that you had you know these. It was very common practice in the great depression not to put money in back. Yes exactly i wonder. How many farms around that area. Where maybe that was still something popular that people would do not use banks. Oh yeah. I absolutely true You know my grandparents all went through the depression and they were you know. By the time. I came along. They were all used to banks again. But there was definitely a bl. You know there there. Was this dichotomy this this this tension between oil banks keep our money safe and also we don't trust them right. Yeah what if there's a failure went right if you again. If there's a repeat of the nineteen thirties so it was a it was a real challenge for people of that era to you know to fully trust banks and some people really did never get over it. Some people never got over the things that they went through the depression. You know you'd see a lot of a lot of hoarding came out of that. Oh yeah i mean mattress money not just weird shit like just hours and lids in boxes in just weird shit i mean my mom would do that. Ed cartons and shit. You know that she would say it was going to be for some creative project. Only never did the creative project so they just piled up absolutely in. You know this guy on that hickok was easing. Its source in plumbing information. Floyd wells was the name we just flipping through the rest of my notes. Yeah he was actually a farmhand when they built the house on that. So nineteen forty eight and apparently he said that while they were building that he saw her for lumber with large bills in several of them will. Yeah that doesn't mean he keeps it around. Obviously you know. I mean looking at it from our distance winger well. He knew this order was coming. He probably went to the bank and got the money. Yeah he just went inside and dug into his. You know safe. Yeah just go get some cash from the bank to pay the contract right as it were. Yeah but yeah you know as they were talking more and more about that and they brought perry smith in on. This hickok apparently told him that they were going to use any cash proceeds for a deep sea fishing boat in south america Although you know it's interesting how far that got but we'll get to that as well after the crime you know. I think that hitchcock honestly has the more interesting history. Okay i would have him an perry smith with these guys because he like we were talking a bit about his family background there. He was known as a decent kid when he was growing up for. Most video is a decent athlete. Good student people like but then when he was nineteen he was in a car accident. Head trauma tell me it was. It was head trauma. Damn it goes again. Yeah there it is reappearing in when he was in this accident. His car flipped and he damn near drown in a puddle to on top of it but yeah his family. Were saying you know if you look at it. Just the way like his is the way that they were set. You can see it but they also talked a lot about his personality changing and this is a common thing with head trauma. It's not all regarding henry shut. You know you don't go from a in fact. I would say most head injury victims. Don't go from an asshole to super nice gentle person. It tends to go the other way. Get angry and violent in. I think that that is really shown with on hickok the more that we look at him with that and it was actually something that the shrink who examined him after all. This was looking at pretty in depth. But yeah right. After that happened he starts drinking more he started. Some woman is more any infants. He goes through three wives in his young life. I mean you're talking about a guy who you know was executed not long after the crime in his thirties really and he goes through three wives. He goes through several jobs in the ultimately sinks in to check kiting and other petty crime Yeah it's it's really amazing in a from a you know distant perspective the kinds of changes that can take place from a from a brain. Injury is just a stunning really. How that wiring can get so fucked up just like boom. it's defense. it really is and sorry. This youtube is having initially to where it's not letting me type anything in the comments. I'm trying. I bought it as her trying to fix it as we're talking here to But yeah you had all that going on. And i wonder if it didn't just totally screw his impulse control immigrant especially. Oh yeah yeah in how it affects. It depends a lot on what area the brain gets. Whacked yeah in an impulse. Be the frontal lobes particularly. Perry smith also has kind of an interesting background when you look at it. His parents were rodeo full. Okay and they were really kind of famous in that circuit. His dad was a white guy and his mother was in india and ultimately with that i forget what it was that really precipitated it but maybe she was promiscuous beforehand. His mother but she apparently invited a bunch of sailors over to their house. When dad was away wholesome sailors in kansas well. This isn't in kansas out. I think it was anchorage alaska. There that makes more sense. Yeah yeah yeah michelle. I do apologize. I am just now getting on there. And i think i'm able to comment. Now let's give it shot I don't know what is up with my technology tonight is just horrible there. We go now. A chilling but Yeah that happened up in anchorage. And apparently his dad basically drove them away and he had some issues with alcohol himself and starter beating the mother and that is when she took perry and went to san francisco in a short time after that. The father was incarcerated basically from their inches win even more downhill for perry and he ended up in a catholic school where he suffered quite often from in so of detriot of sociopathic right. There suffered from which again bed wedding scott bed wedding. Jesus scientists air. Yeah you had that. And he told the story to a good buddy of his was a character witness for mattis. Kreil it was an army buddy because he served in the army in korea although he really didn't see any action. And that's where you got to know this guy. But he was telling the story to him about how the nuns would beat in sunday. Unmerciful at this school over his bed wedding and in fact he still had a scar on his penis. From where apparently they damn near severed what. Yeah from the punishment. How sensibly for you in bed wedding priests and nuns weren't part of a church organization. The shit they did would get so many of them thrown in jail. Oh absolutely i mean. It happens with a lot of not excusing catholicism. But it does happen with a lotta denominations eighteen. It's horrible any way you look at it you know. And that's a whole other rabbit hole about they take. Yeah that's a that's a show in itself. Yeah you really is. So how does a rodeo guy rodeo family end up in anchorage at the. I don't know that that you know the answer. But it's kind of curious isn't it. I don't think there's a lot of rodeo in alaska. maybe there is no not to my knowledge. I'm not sure how honestly they got up there. But they did live there for a time. Maybe we'd have something to do with another heritage should be In absolutely so that you know it's basically perry smits history from there. He turns into a petty thief fan. Allegedly he tells stick back when he met him that he killed a black guy in fifty five over something minor. But there's really no proof of that is basically brecca's e just making shit up to impress him the thinking. Yeah basically with that and it's because of that decides to take him along when they get out of prison to go and route the clutter. It's because he had just gotten off of the five year stretch for stealing guns and trying to pawn in kansas city. So which want smith hickok. Okay yes it's part of the petty crime and like i said a lot of check kiting woods his dixon. So there's nothing there's no background for either these guys that anybody any reasonable person would say is a predictor of what was going to happen. You know. I think he could find that in there really to get them into you. Know petty crime and then ultimately escalating to what happened in holcomb sync with a the home invasion. Yes but not the murders though right. Oh well yeah. I guess you could say that about the murder part. Yeah and when you get to the confessions with that hickok allegedly wanted it done purely away to wipe them out as witness But even that rabbit hole gets a bit deeper as we'll get to do as getting abbott whole. Yeah we're getting there so it's november fifteenth. They make their way to the house out there after they had heard about it. They gain entry through an office store. That was as we said. Unlocked with holcombe being holcomb everybody knowing each other right in they find mr clark in in case people find this. I mean you hear about it but it really was the case. People tin lock their doors especially in the rural areas. Because you just didn't have anybody strangers just didn't come by and just didn't have. Yeah right. yeah. I mean they relieve they. Did you people literally knew everybody around there. Yeah but Yeah they make their way in there. They find mr clutter in a ultimately you know tie him up and question him about the safe that they think is in there and he says i haven't got say any ultimately gets to with it saying if i had one. Yeah you would have it. I will give you the money. No problem to basically get you out of here right. So you know they keep they. Keep trying basically interrogating him. So he's not define them he's not belligerent. No in fact. I believe it was. It was a kindly gentleman was the quote. Exact quote was something to the degree of. He was kindly until. I slid his through or i thought he was kindly gentleman until then so you know after that they go in they get bonnie clutter out of bet and they bring her down to where the husband is ad and she tells him the same thing. We haven't got a sit in by now terry being a little bit more i think of a savvy guy in a little bit more controlled is starting to say well. Maybe they're telling the truth here. Maybe they really don't have the save but hickok is adamant about it. So what did they do. They find out who else was in. Hell's they go in they wake up the fifteen year old kenyon smith the fifteen year old son and bring him down there in yaas. Sensibly asked the same question. Instill dick is on this kick about it. You have to. They have a safe. They have a state they had to save. So they go and they get nancy. Sixteen year old nancy. Clutter at of herb room. Bring her down. Put them all in the bathroom. And i would assume she says the same thing. They haven't got a safe and all the while one of them is going through the house looking for money looking for valuables and ultimately all they found in the way of that was about fifty bucks and then a pair of binoculars and a portable radio which. I'm not totally sure why you would take things for the news with. But if you're there to rob you. I would think that may be misled. Like little bit of jewel. So this was again. What year was this. Forty fifty eight fifty nine right Yeah yeah this is. This is nine hundred so a portable radio was kind of a valuable thing in those days. Absolutely absolutely yeah. They were not all that in that at that time. Not until the not tell. The space program made the transistor's cheap. Did they come down in price. There you go. I guess i guess it's just weird right. The first thing they regret. I would think it'd be a like gum jewelry like said guns right or i don't know well. Farmer would have had a shotgun at the very least. Oh yeah absolutely would add something there. Yeah but they had them all in the dassler and dick according to perry smith's confession all this is getting more and more frustrated. And you have to remember that. Hickok basically brought perry along because he thought to have somebody killed this guy to do it right so he's got right right so ultimately what they do. Is they decide to segregate. They take Bonnie beck up to her bedroom tyrod. That's the backup to hers. Which ones yeah the mom and the daughter they okay yes separate bedrooms their bedrooms guy and then After binding both of them they have heard clatter in the cellar along with kenyan but again in different rooms down there guy. I think we have some pictures of that. I think it's time to try those out. Yeah and ultimately what they do is perry smith slits the throat of herb clutter and then he hands the knife to dick and says dick. You gotta do your part now but apparently what hickok did with that was just stuck the knife in the same. Hold that perry had made okay. But but after that smith picks up the shotgun and a sensibly he says again in his confession that i picked it up to put him out of his misery because her bed and i and he shoots him in fact the quote with that again for he talked about seeing a flash of blue light and then seen herbs head explode dark. The only light at this juncture is flashlights. They hit that's ed guy. But they do that to herb and then move along to. Kenyan is also dead for One twelve gauge wound to his head. Then according to hickox confession up to on nancy's room and she was interesting because she was the only one who was posed on her stomach in the back of her head so he was shot basically execution style in her bed while all the others were face up and then they moved on and they did the same to bonnie but face a inundate a Left basically fifty bucks in your pocket. It was and radian. Well yeah radio. Nba killers is interesting because their bodies were found on morning by friends who ric urea swin. Nobody was answering at the house and nobody was. That is when they knocked on the door. Nobody was answering cars. Were in the garage and when they win over to another house. That had a phone in. Tried calling in was answering. What did the week or so did this happen. I i don't think you mentioned it. Says sunday when they found the body. Sunday the fifteenth. All right. so there's a saturday night so People might have missed him at church. For example yes stat was a big thing with it And they ultimately decided that they were going to go into the back of the house so they let them through that door and a coupla be daughters. I believe it was. The walt family was the name. The father rory iwo had brought his two daughters over a sensibly to get the clutter and go to church. The daughters ultimately go in thinking okay. Maybe they're sleeping really hard right. Get their way up to nancy's room. They find blood splatter on the wall and they find her in bed they rush out and they go and they get the share and he walks through there in to his credit. One of the first things that he decides to do is going. Get a guy by the name of alvin dewey. We have his picture in there. He was a church. Mate of herb. Clutter in the clutter families. He knew them personally but he was also a detective with the kansas bureau of investigation. Oh so this guy. What a smart move. Yeah i mean he's not keystone cop right in he. And evaluates this in one of the things that one of the interesting observations. I thought he ad and it's really as far as the earlier uses of what could be called a profiles logic Was looking at how. Nancy was positioned. And so what do we reason was. Whoever did this could look the rest of the family in the eye as they killed them but they couldn't do that with her. It had to be somebody who knew her or thought they knew her in done where that led them. I was to her boyfriend. A guy by the name of bobby rupp which you know. I'm sure with any investigation. That's likely where it's going to go to a new one for right but he was cleared because he had an alibi. But what's interesting is it dube's logic. There still applies if you look at hickok and smith because hickok later admitted in his confession yeah that he knew there was a girl there and this is there no no no he was talking to the other guy who worked there and he knew they had a daughter. Okay hickok knew that and come to find out. Mr hickok also has a history of pedophilia. One of his wives was sixteen when he married her and while he was with this live he knocked up a thirteen year old. Oh my god yes in. He later said in his confession. That i it. Basically the reason he kept pushing onto safe was because he neither girl was there that was his drive for going. Oh you wanted to see the girl and oh by the way there's money yeah basically. Wow so i think you could argue ultimately. This was not a robbery. It was a sex crime but nobody was raped right. No he wanted to rate nancy but it was actually perry who talked out of it. i don't know how much you can believe this part of it but he said that he was ready to fight. If he tried to do that. I don't know why. Even among criminals are a bit of a code of honor yeah pedophile files are not thought of even amongst criminals are not well thought of and ray in general and -solutely and they get a horrible time behind bars next to really just police march but yet that you know ultimately became. I think the real noted there. Oh that's interesting yet and heard that before. And i don't think a lot of people really knew that an even when you had Truman capote harper lee coming in to start their research for what would become in cold blood basically the novel. That started the american obsession with true crime. Once you get down to it right the interesting. I didn't know that capote and harper lee were actually neighborhoods in alabama. Yeah they grew up basically right next to each other but ended also being shortly before she published her pulitzer prize winning novel to kill a mockingbird. But they get there and capote. He's kind of an abrasive guy for instance he told. Dewey alvin dewey. When he first met in that. I don't care if the cases solved. I just want to me. It's like why are you going to say that to the lead investigator. If you want info just yeah well. Yeah in new york right. Yeah yeah and he also spent a lotta time on the gossip pages very new york newspapers. Because of his exploits capote did. So he was. He was used to being abrasive and have it. Just be a matter. Of course yeah. He not personally. I think as a journalist that sometimes you have to be a bit abrasive but to me. It's a whole other level to be kinda stupid abrasive when you're telling the lead investigator you don't care if it solved or not. Yeah because it's kind of counter-productive to say well. It doesn't make a good story either so that he should very much care if it gets solved because it's a better story that way shortsighted in a lot of ways. Yeah yeah in a lot of ways. Yeah michelle says he From what i understand. He wasn't really well. Received in garden city in holcomb. And like i said was rather turned off initially but capote in harper lee actually manage to for the work their way into dewey's good grace and it because of that they were ultimately with him when they got the call from las vegas pd that hey we see these two guys you've been looking for in. Interestingly the way that they were caught with that was kind of different because they were hitchhiking and driving all over the country and ultimately what they did win they win for the hitchhiked from mexico to barstow california. They had all the shit that they were carrying with them. Sent to themselves in las vegas mail. It yeah okay. They mailed it and that was what the police saw. So all right. So where do these guys go after the murders. What was i like. I said really all over the country. They talked about being in florida south carolina and even down into mexico. Phoenix was one. They stole a car in iowa but ultimately were they ended up when they were arrested was vegas so this couldn't be considered the start of a spree killing because they didn't they weren't ever considered for other murder around the country or anything right actually in twenty thirteen day alleged. They were alleged to have been involved in murdering a family and service. In where in florida. Sarasota florida oh sarasota gay. Yeah and apparently they had enough probable cause to exhume. The bodies period smith cock ring in that article back up. If it's one. I saw on the wall street journal. So when they exhumed him were were they after dna. I think so. Yeah yeah. I was just looking to see if i bring that back up because i didn't see if anything came of that whether they Liked him and considered the case solved. Or what has comments michelle says that. She heard that there was not a match. Okay thank you michelle. Thank you for your other contributions to throughout. Yeah jesse in the comments. Thanks for being smart ass commissioner on. Espn alternately you had a like. I said a Shrink who looked at both of them. That guilt was beyond question. So what the defense's strategy had to be pleading insanity for that in shrink who looked at him was like i said genuinely intrigued with on dickey cock and his organic brain injury and i would guess that the the diagnosis with something like that would acquired psychopathy. Which you don't see that often but you do see a there has to be some some causal effect. Something causes somebody to have that happen to them. It's not just something you grow into for example. We'll typically liar schizophrenia. Where you know you get to a certain age and it just happens to you right and they would be acquired part of that right. What you're saying. yeah Which he had those findings swiss hitchcock and then with perry smith. It was a little bit more interesting. He said that he had annoyed street in that quote his fantasy life bordered on delusion so essentially what he said. Perry smith was was a borderline psychotic but interestingly with the trial they got the shrink up on the stand and the only question that the judge would allow them to ask was. Did these guys know right and wrong. When they committed the crime interesting. It's yeah and so the shrink was forced to say with decay cock. I believe he did with perry smith. I'm not so sure was essentially his answers so yeah in that trial ultimately ended in the jury was only out for thirty minutes and gave him the death penalty by hanging which we actually have a picture of the gallows that both of them were hung on. Yeah yeah that'll become around in the slights and a second. yep so how. How long were they. You know this is the kind of the This is before the big anti-death penalty and prisoner rights reform started coming along. When the distance between a sentence in a in a execution could be days in some cases. Initially they had it set up for about ninety days after the verdict which was nineteen sixty k. Particularly hickok when he was behind in the like really invoked his rights with that yeah and ultimately it was april fourteenth nineteen sixty five win. Both of them are on so by today's standards. That's still pretty fast. Yeah oh yeah absolutely. Five years seems like Like nothing in the net steph wage. Yeah yeah i honestly. I don't even stretched out that long if it wasn't for hand doing that writing so there's been a lot of media generated over this This one case. Yes starting with likely said capote's book really well in the headlines of the day to nan in nineteen sixty seven is when the first movie that came out the black and white movie with actually blake. Yeah as as perry smith and that's a that's a pretty good match. I gotta say well you mean because of his physical yeah. It's also pretty match. Because blake himself was charged with murder in the nineties. I determined he thought he got out of that. He was that up. But i remember it was a bit of a circus now. My understanding was that robert blake was a pretty smart fellow pretty above average iq and but his trial seemed to be a bit of a circus. I would imagine on. Both of those counts definitely. Say tends to be whenever. There's a celebrity who is on trial because that was what the late nineties early two thousands like. Yeah and by then you know blake had made his mark in in cold blood the lead character on beretta for years. Most people know him from he was he also did a cop. Movie electra glide. In blue repented motorcycle cop at watch that i haven't seen that one but yeah you had. That movie had this remake of in cold blood which i honestly never seen or heard of until he was acquitted by the way. Yeah okay yeah. I thought so. And then you had capote with the late. Philip seymour hoffman. Which told the story of how they wrote and researched in cold blood. I didn't know that to kill. A mockingbird was connected to this case. Yeah yup was the research assistant basically for capote. I did not know that throughout in. I wonder if she might have been a little bit more socially minded. I guess you could say than he was. Maybe acting as the of bridge with that as it. Were you people on this. Show it about my pension for collecting old autographed books and an autographed copy of in cold. Blood is when. I've been after for a while so we'll see if i ever managed to find one. Yeah there you go. That could be a that. Could be a good find to get michelle. Says when a lease characters was based on caponi. She's not totally sure which one that is a good question. I was just reading a bit about harper. Lee's lost novel the other day too which is interesting in and of itself. It's about a lawyer down in alabama and a family which has a rather bizarre history of murder suicide in may okay. The family i think was pushing to get that released to but they just never did now. When things are left up to airs a lot of errors occur. Yeah yeah because. I'm not sure about the dynamics from harbor leads state that either. I thought the family had a lot of the notes that she produced on it too. If you've never been involved in inheritance people get really weird. They really do people. You think you know really well. Start acting very strange who i am. Sure man. i've never been involved in it myself but just looking to see here. We go from the guardian. I'll share the lincoln. The chat get the real story behind harper. Lee's lost novel because it was bizarre. I remember like. I said i'm doing this with one hand which i usually don't do because i'm having having to hold the phone and my headset like i usually do so yet. That is it and not really the most in. It's not really anywhere near the most disgusting or disturbing thing we've looked at on this show but we should never forget what happened to these poor people know and you know i. I saw a very long documentary series about this little girl from england who disappeared in portugal. Madeleine mccann yeah and how you know part of it. Talks about the case but part of it also talks about the reaction to the case The media side of things and how much the media got involved in worldwide. And all this shit. And i remember one of the journalists. Made a comment that you know trying to understand. Why does this case. Get attention in another case that seems very similar to it doesn't get attention and their take on it was. It's not so much about the person but how but the story around how you know how things happen. What it's about. What happens the circumstances of what happens in other words. You know in this case. The girl was kidnapped out of her out of the condo. Waller family was just yards away. That's that's the compelling part. It's not that she was a little english girl. Although that doesn't yeah doesn't hurt so much but you know it's a interesting story about what happened. Yeah and they looked at it from the human interest side right and a lotta stuff and so in this somewhat to. Yeah in this case you know. This is a god fearing churchgoing salt of the earth. Family that just gives wiped out for no good reason. So that's the that's the interesting part you know it's has a very similar thing to you. Know it's why do we know about the liska over there. Axe murders of the time. Why do we know Or in lizzie borden Some story stick and others don't in the imagination of the reading public the the consumer side of things it needs a needs a hook that gets people interested and it's not so much the people generally speaking when we're not talking about famous people. It's how they went missing how they died. And that's especially this case to the utter senselessness right right when they win. There wasn't even a safe. They're exactly exactly. It's it's the strength of the story that makes one case capture the imagination of the public versus another absolutely and of course it doesn't hurt that mass media at that time you know this is when people started by tuning into. Tv's a lot more. it was. It was still ramping up I know my family. Of course we didn't have a lot of money. It took us quite a while to after into the sixties before we got a television but so but it was. It was a growing phenomenon helped for sure. Radio was going gangbusters still. Yep absolutely yeah i mean it's interesting and i hope it's never forgotten by people for anybody who gets it. The sundance channel I personally watch minds through my amazon prime account but on the sundance channel. They have rather interesting series. That was done by joe. Berlinger of paradise lost fame. That's called cold blooded. It's all about so. I've seen the the nineties era mini series. I wonder if that was the one that i posted. Lesabre sam neill yes okay. That was the poster that i got okay and that is available on prime. Is it a good watch compared to the original. You know it's been a while since i've seen either one of them but i remember. I remember liking pretty well. Yeah anthony edwards. I think is one of the. I think he plays smith. I like him. he's a good actor. I really liked him like zodiac as a cop Yeah in the original is pretty impeccable. In my opinion yeah. And like. I said i haven't seen i think it let one. I think black light was the right call for that one to it's lutely richard rooks director of that one. All right anything else to add for this. I think we pretty much covered it. No no fun. Michelle head anything else with that. Yeah i like the original better to definitely. Yeah absolutely in robert blake. He was a. He's a heck of a act an actor. You know what. I'm getting off a bit on a tangent. What movie he's excellent. And in my opinion and i might eat kind of crucified for a david lynch's lost highway. God lynch such a weird robert blake is perfect is the mystery man in that but yeah she definitely right. Michelle won't be forgotten around there. Or i think in a lot of small towns it still reverberates sleep people. Thank you for your contributions to having somebody who was a local and also on worked in journalism in the area. Yes talk the this. Yeah we really appreciate listening and contributing to that end okay. I will call this when good for sarah tune in next week. We'll have some more mayhem for you yet. When we figure out our topic for them which we haven't done you know you haven't yet we'll we'll we'll find something. I don't think we've run out. No be problem. Good night all night. Long Hello hello it's thursday night or you know. I don't know late afternoon or early evening. On the west coast. And this is real monsters. I'm the host escape barrett and my co host the lovely and talented west hob rick. Hello hello our things in the midwest. Oh not too bad. I think we might have storm blowing in but We actually do have a Entry on our news. That's directly relevant to where i live for today. Unfortunately well this week in crime history. Then don't September fifth nineteen seventy seven. Here's a new trial for michael stone. He killed Ya and megan. Russell with the hammer in england was found. Guilty nets wants a bit more interesting. September six nineteen twenty four. John dillinger commits his first crime when he robbed a grocery store Dillinger's the the one who famously said he robbed banks because that's where they keep the money public enemy number one and bead killed inch cargo in front of the bio graph theater to nine seven. Two thousand seven madeleine mccann's mothers named a suspect in her daughter's disappearance got nasty after that sme and the media dragged through the mud. I think she won a Slander lawsuit against them. Yeah that was a mess. Wasn't it yup although granted. It's a lot easier to win. That sort of thing in england than it is in the united states so since she filed but september eighth. Eighteen eighty eight jack. The ripper kills his second victim. Annie chapman september ninth nineteen forty four. The acid bath murderer john haig solves its first That guy i guess it was his office that he killed put in vat of ass. What's chicago i think. So something like that right. Yeah this is. This is the motherfucker who who framed a tenant in his own building. You know another he. He rented rooms like a boarding house and he framed one of the tenets his own fucking tenants for one of the murders and the guy got hung over it. Damn we gotta do. We definitely need to for no other reason than just the acid beth part of that too right people get get away with framing up other people to the point of now they don't but yeah the tenth nineteen fifty one. My boss salvatore miranda is shot and stabbed to death in new york city by assassins hired by lucky luciano. Those italians man. And i have a have a lot of italian connections including my ex wife. And oh my ex mother in law's family and yeah those people man i love him to death can mean already mean. Yeah yeah when you cross them. And they'll get you september eleventh. Nineteen seventy eight russian defector. Georgy markov is killed by poison. Tipped umbrella in london total total. You know john leclair move right. Oh yeah. I mean just walking down the street and he gets stabbed by a poison tipped umbrella and dies. Yep just crazy shit man. I the kgb. And it sets a precedent for what would happen. What was that two years ago when they tried to poison the russian defectors over say sound like poison in house somewhere a really rare poison. I miss that it was pretty big for. I wanna say a couple of weeks where it got a couple of people really sick and might have even killed one or two. I can't totally remember up to see. If i can dredge some info about it later couple news items. I one was robert. Camus twenty-seven charged with murdering his girlfriend after wrapping about doing that in a video online teases me or criminals. Getting stupid her. No we just just more aware of them. I guess so. I mean there was a case back in the eighties. A guy robbed a bank using his own deposit slip to write the note that kind of relates to another news item. Pennsylvania couple face charges after spending over one hundred thousand dollars accidentally deposited in their bank account. I don't i must have been around in error or something by Got in there and they spent that see. There's there's a common There's a common misperception that You know the bank makes a mistake like that that does not end up in your favor. No nope i've been very good about writing all the laws around that shit so you don't think you're gonna get away with it. No not at all see another. A mother and her boyfriend were charged in huston with corpse. Tampering after their five after their five year old daughter was discovered decomposing in a closet. I guess they kept it at corpse tampering because their story was that they were bathing the child and some chemical got into the water in killed it was like some cleaners or something and they decided apparently to put her in the closet instead of calling authorities. It is if he believed their story. Yeah i dunno kind of somali story. Yeah absolutely see where. And i mean. It's not exactly keeping a corpse around the house. Just what's more thinking. No not at all but The one that was related to where i live live. It's a chaplain who got twenty six years on nursing home sex crimes and also abusing his relatives. I guess was older relatives. It's disgusting jesus. Yeah but they got him for twenty six years combined on all those charges catholic. No this guy was a protestant reverend. I'm not sure what denomination specifically but. Yeah so actually everybody. I'm just saying he didn't have celibacy to blame. Oh no not at all. Yeah no celibacy with that just about two hours before we went on to hear this next one actually got off on these charges but ohio cheerleader allegedly sensor mother a text celebrating her Slimmer figure after giving birth and burying her infant. She just got off on charges for murder for that literally two hours before we she got. Yes for an insanity. Plea they i guess. They bought her story that she delivered the baby stillborn and just buried it because she didn't know what to do. Well if if i mean if they did the autopsy then okay if they find anything in the lungs right. Oh but yeah. There's a lot of people who are feeling that this was pretty big miscarriage of justice. From what i. I gotta trust the coroner on this. The medical examiner. Well i'm not sure what the coroner said about that. All i know is that she was found not guilty I could look that up. Yeah in a lot of people are just with that and on. And let's see the last item that i have Able scenario stabbed a few kids at his bronx new york highschool that only fourteen years for a murder charge. He blamed anti gay bullying for why he did what he did but he didn't kill any of the bullies and from what i read and none of the people who kit he did kill. Were bullying him. Yeah which kind of makes you wonder years. Yeah fourteen years is pretty lenient for what he did. Thank relatively but yeah. That is all i have for the news for now goal. Very nice all right. Who's this motherfucker. Were talking about this. Now he's probably one of the tamer ones if you considered depravity of what he did compared to you know all the others that we cover on this show. Yeah and he is the only one as well that we're going to talk about. Who had both a billy joel. E. rank attributed directly to him and a song by bruce springsteen and at least three movies. Yes absolutely charles. Stark weather really the first spree killer to capture the attention of the media to considering this happened in well. Nineteen fifty seven into nineteen. Fifty eight bonnie clyde. I mean maybe maybe Stark weather was more about the killing. In bunny cloud we're more about the robbing was part of it and also the fact that Tv's we're just starting to pop up in american households around that i'm a charlie and his girlfriend caroline fugate crime spree. But yeah the billy golder. It's start weather. Homicide inspired the title for. This show is from We didn't start. The fire was so quizzing myself on that song before we went on used to be able to remember all the lyrics senate but didn't fare so well so which part of it is has is inspired by stark weather. The lyric stark weather homicide in there. It's oh there it is sure enough. I don't think i ever really heard that before. Yep remember children of the limited children up to let them out. Yep stark weather homicide and with springsteen was the song. Nebraska is all about charlie stark weather actually written from his first person point of view. Whole thing so. Bruce is a pretty good storyteller. I like him. Yeah is consistent. But yeah in. Charles stark weather getting into his bio born in nineteen thirty eight lincoln nebraska and his family. You know they're relatively poor. They're not so poor that he and his seven siblings weren't eating but they're pretty poor and his mother actually was the driving force in financially supporting them. I don't know why his dad was more worked. Sporadically never really hit a job that he held for very long so it was mostly the mom that supported them and charlie from a rather young age was relatively Bowlegged was known for that. I didn't see. Why did you see why he was the legged. Was it polio. It can be one of my best buddies in junior high was bowlegged and it's just In his case it was just a growth thing where the Outside of the bones grew faster than the inside of the lake. Shinbones and yeah. He went through some very painful surgeries where they put basically clamps in the bones to prevent the outsides of the bones from stretching so far so given the insides a chance to catch up. Oh wow over the kosher s certainly years yeah. I wonder what the reason was with stark weather interest so could have been a nutritional thing for but at any rate He was rather ashamed of his poverty for quite some time. Although he did a couple of times to score against childhood ideallic was his word in fact He also had horrible eyesight. He was horribly nearsighted in fact he was. He had so bad that it was impairing his ability to read when he was finally went to school so a lot of the teachers that i thought that he was in a low iq but he actually had an average iq. so yeah. yeah. I mean if you can't see whatever but i mean if you can't see the board or the books are shit you know you hear people talking about stuff that makes no sense to you. Yeah and absolutely sydney. That makes me has some pity on and that he had to go through that but yeah it was around the time that he started school that he was ruthlessly bullied for all these different things and i guess he also had a speech impediment to top it all off man so a yeah going. Through those school age years he started with bowlegged nearsighted yup speech impediment and poverty. Yep on top of it and then prone to fighting at school. Yeah it was another interesting thing in my digging into him. There was a couple of people who described a particular verbal battle that he had with his father in his late teens. They didn't get very specific on it but they said that it left him feeling humiliated once the constant theme with it And a lot of these people who were direct you know. Close friends of is kind of charted his personality going downhill from that that he got you know more violent more angry with everybody but yeah it was surround when he turned eighteen. He took a job as a garbage man in lincoln nebraska and he meets thirteen year old. Carolyn fugate who comes from a poor family as well. They get to know each other and i think that's important here to look at sort of connection that they forged. Initially you'll start whether it's the guy who is used to being constantly rejected for all those things that we were just talking about. Yeah and carolee was really the first person to sort of accept him for who he was so that made the relationship that they had very very important in his mind man. I can't even begin to express how much i understand that concept really. Yeah i mean you know with my first girlfriend who came. She came from. You know really pretty stable family and in was just you know everybody was just really accepting of me there. You know it to a degree. That i never got it home. And it's it's It's quite a Transformational experience it's powerful. Well stephanie. Yes so they hang around for about a year together and stark whether finally decided you know what. I want to marry this girl so one day. In january of nineteen fifty-eight he goes out to the fugate household and asks. Her stepdad. marianne was his name for her hand in marriage. He kind of freaks out about that because stark weather the he has the reputation of being from the wrong side of the tracks to put it as politely as you could with that right now. He says no and they apparently get into a heated argument and stark weather grad steed. Twenty two rifle has and shoots him. Oh jesus in. This is before carolina's at home. That here he shoots the stepfather and then he turns around in. He takes the twenty two to the mother as well and apparently after this he grabs say nice and stabs both of them in wall. All this is going on the two year old sister of caroline. Her name was betty. Jean is apparently crying. So let's start weather. Do it takes the knife. And he throws her throat. Jesus yeah nicky her and making her bleed but she is still alive and still making a lot of noise. there's so he takes the butt of that rifle and for the mom and dad from several more times than just. That's just hough. You don't know you don't kill children. I mean we will even joke about killings and murders and serial killers and bullshit like that but kids are really off-limits and they. It's still very strong. Genetic reaction than everybody pretty much has to that idea. Oh absolutely and i think that killing betty. Jean definitely ratchets up Stark weather's depravity in terms of how depraved necessary right. No not at all to unique could yeah. I mean he could have taken the two year old up to. Let's say the second floor of the halston locked in a room. Yeah after yeah. Urges slept her letter escapee vent. Yeah run somewhere. He did not have to do that but carol gets home. And she sees all this and stark weather. In the meantime takes the bodies he puts marian in the chicken coop under Newspapers he puts a valda the mother in a disused outhouse and then he puts betty jean in a box outside and all although lyle apparently caroline is just sitting inside the house watching tv she was there she was there when he when he moved on dumping the bodies she was not there for the actual killings though all right so she was clearly not freaked out. Now this move. No you're she was. She didn't she was visibly free. I suppose you could make the argument. That maybe she was frozen in shock. But i don't know. I think we do see. That seem her. Maybe being a little bit more malevolent than she lets on you know And that is really the big question. And i would ask anybody who's listening to by the time we get to the end of this. What do you think about caroll-ann was she hostage like she. A willing participant said is a very vital question. Right route this right. They do all this and they pin a note on the front door of seagate house. I was just looking for verbatim of it but the message said basically everybody sick with the flu. Come back later by and say yeah. Yeah that's what carolinian does and this is surprisingly effective because throughout the first person. That shows up is her older sister. You'll asking if everybody's okay and leader on with that caroll-ann would relate. That stark weather wants apparently standing out of sight behind door with its rifle. All they hadn't left yet they were still at the house. It the house for six days. I have to kill him. What yup with those bodies around they were at that house for six days watching. Tv and having sex not skedaddle. In atta there. No yet wow. That's wild alder sister shows up. I said battle that's nebraska word. So you her older sister. She apparently bought this but she goes home starting to her husband about it after and i guess she thought that something was off with the whole episode because he ends up calling the cops about it and so after this you get to police showing up at the door of defeat and they also apparently by that. Everybody's sick because they don't do anything at this point and are the kids still in the house. Yeah yeah they're still there start weather in gators still there. Well i gotta say speaking personally. If i was in a situation like that which i wouldn't be but if i was at a situation where i was in a house and people were coming around knocking on the door. I'd be gone after the first person showed up at the latest. I'd be all right. People are You know fine. The notes there. That'll buy some time. Let's get outta here. But i'm not hanging around for more people to come knock on the door that's a. That's a good point. I don't think i would have been either mr deadman s a good question. I guess the adjusted to the smell you know i wonder if remember they hit the bodies sooner chicken coop in in a disused out house i wonder if the smell of covering it up. Well in the house there would have. The blood would have started to write unless they cleaned up a little bit but it seems unlikely they actually did clean up a little bit. Okay from what. I was reading but yeah what's more interesting about this here even after these cops show up. They don't leave. Like i said the cops didn't do anything so they go back to the station and few gates grandmother shows up at the house next. She apparently also buys that. Everybody's sick man world the victim note. I guess and apparently she also thought that something was off with the because she also celtic cops and when they get the second report is when they go back to the house and you know fugate and start whether are gone by now and the police do a proper search. The and they find the three victims. So the next place that they go to is to the ranch of august meyer. Who is a seventy year old bachelor farmer. Basically and stark weather had apparently been to this. Guy's place a number of times to Hunt with him with his father and everything and they go there and apparently when meyer meets them on his front porch. The first thing that stark weather does is he takes the shotgun that he took from the fugate house to meyer said one shot. He's down no discussion knows to conversation. Just boom right then and there and the next thing that they do they go win and they rob. It's house they take about one hundred dollars worth of cash which was a lot of money. Yeah oh absolutely back then remembered so. This was fifty eight fifty nine. Nineteen fifty-eight january fifty-eight. Yeah so gas would have been like under twenty cents a gallon Snipe it that from him in they take his car and they get going with it. They get a little bit of distance from there and the car gets stuck in mud. Kinda you sucks for on. but what they find themselves doing after that is trying to some awry. You know hitchhiking. Was i think you have the image of the stuck car. Yes we do believe. that's it. Yeah yeah and so they come along a couple who are about roughly about their age robert colson and his fiancee and they get in the car with them and they hijack it basically take them back to the farm after that and they end up shooting both of them basically so they they go back to where they sh- took the shotgun to the one guy. The which i thought was kinda weird. Not wiping went back backtrack. But yeah i and they end up doing that. This is where you really start to see. More of spark weather's rage in my opinion to because he ends up shooting colson in the head. Six times with a rifle jesus. Yeah you know. I could almost see that being sort of accidental overkill with a pistol with the rifle. Especially if it's like a bolt action which most likely was. Yeah i absolutely six times in the head and then they Also shoot his fiancee. Carole king in she also has quite a few stab wounds that ended up killing her ended. The interesting thing there. They also found extensive sexual mutilation on her body particularly around in her groin. Not yeah and after they are caught start weather says that that was caroline mutilated her. And you know. I'm kind of inclined to believe him on that for reasons. We'll get into but also one it's like will you know. Why put that on her of all things. Yeah yeah why. Go out of your way to say. Oh yes she did that part of it right. It wasn't gonna make things any better for him. No not at all not at all and for the other reason that you didn't see it on any up that we know he killed no sexual mutilation right and it would have been a first for him. but yes. So they're in the couple's car in the next thing that they decide that they're going to do is drive into the more wealthy neighborhoods of lincoln. A little hell thing about stark weather. He really identified. With james dean. The actor as i'm sure you know a lot of boys did back then right one. Be you know. James dean stark weather. He had almost a almost a psychotically obsessive devotion. To james dean. I'd say where he would try to get it down to the haired the wardrobe even now he smoked cigarettes as a totally had james dean do it tonight and dean was in real life. Wasn't the cool duty played in the movies. He was kind of a nerd. Yeah even a very good student and he and he wore glasses yup stark whether he wanted to be james dean for all those reasons and yeah he's sought to imitate him down. Did the verdict last detail. But i think another big part of that was the first time that stark weather killed it. I would argue. Is not a canonical part of the spree. That we're talking about now of this freely feud the first time weather killed was actually a gas station attendant in december of nineteen. Fifty seven preceding. This yes oh a guy by the name of. I believe it was robert colson in lincoln. So he goes and he robbed sam gas station and he kidnaps them take some in the car striving to sun secluded place and blows them away with shotgun. One shotgun blasts to the head looked kind of interesting that he did that at all because he really didn't need to. I mean stark whether he had abandon on. He disguised himself when he robbed him. So there's you know you can't make the argument that he was trying to eliminate a witness with that So it's really a good question. It's the y you know From from what. I've read and heard here I get the feeling now. He totally did hit a lot of rage at people from being humiliated and bullied. And it's entirely possible that he would take just imagined somebody giving him a fence when they hadn't done anything at all. That's a that's a good point. I would definitely a with that. Then i would ask winther need to be son. Sort of trigger brings him to that level. It could be. It could be such a small insignificant thing that nobody would even they were doing it. And you know this is true. Just a look or a shrug or a smirk or who knows what right you make a very good point there and i guess it gets kinda hard to remember that it can be small too when you consider that the trigger four spree was arguably big. He was rejected by the parents. But what but then again yes. Yeah that was a big thing. That was a big thing but why kill the know. Go so overboard with the couple whose car they stole. Yeah yeah that's another good question in six shots. The is overkill by any stretch of the imagination. Yeah but by this time when they're going into the Richer neighborhoods of lincoln. There's quite a lot of media surrounding this. They're looking all over for stark weather and fugate and they're not assuming at the time that she is a co conspirator. Just assuming that it's you know a hostage thing in it's all jets and it makes sense because you know the rest the family's dead that was yes. Oh absolutely right and remember the agents to. She's only fourteen. he's nineteen. I thought she was eighteen. No no no no no. She's fourteen throughout all of woo. Yeah the all. I read that he was eighteen. She was thirteen right wonder. The parents said no and -solutely. Yeah that factor too. Yeah you know. There's a lot of people getting freaked out about this set the time because it seems so random and pointless. They really didn't have a point of reference for spree killing at the time right. I mean even today when you look at charles stark weather and kerley and fugate. There's a lot of so-called experts on this who call stark whether a serial killer. Well that's wrong. Yeah he was not a serial killer. No i can understand some people calling him a mass killer even though that's also technically wrong. That's not right either. Because they're scattered over various locations. Yes it's the thing that the criteria for mass has to be four or more at a single location that's the criteria that fbi uses to define and yeah and he didn't do that. He moved around right spree the definition that they use which is what applies to start whether is two or more at two or more locations. So yeah i being. I just couldn't believe that. When i was looking through sources that there's some people who say that they are educated on this but then call him a serial killer. The time the i mean what was the duration of this entire spree. Eight days right so there's no time for a cooling off period so it fails on that or right off the bat absolutely. Yeah there was none at all with that so they make their way there and you know a lot of these people. These areas stark weather was familiar with with his job. Garbage man and apparently there was an interesting anecdote about this. He was rather fond of yelling. Go to hell to complete strangers was doing their trash so rather unpleasant sort of fellow. Yeah not the most likable guy. But they come across the home of a oil executive in lincoln that was By the last name of reward and the first thing that they do is they go in and they tie up the nayed and ward's wife on the upper floor of the house and go through an ransack at steal as much as they can throughout this need a. That's another thing. They did actually have an overriding plan of what they were going to do if they could escape the police throughout this. Oh yeah and that was. The first thing that they wanted to do was go to california where they thought that they were going to lead. it's high on the hog from the proceeds of crime but tend to that kind of got tweaked to where they wanted to go live with stark. Weather's brother was in state of washington out there interesting. Yep yeah all that loot from all their crime doing well and also i guess good to keep in mind here that these are kids. There's gonna be a degree of naive today with that. Yes so when. Mr ward came home for the day. He basically in even have enough time to take his coat off when stark weather shot him in the head and then they ended up also killing the made and the wife. And then they took mr awards packard from her driving towards wyoming towards that border which is actually where they get the term. Ed lands from with the movie. It was inspired by start weather. Nine hundred seventy. Three's badlands with martin. Sheen insisting spacex right very good film. if you haven't seen it. I would highly recommend checking it out in a long time. I really should see it again. It plays on occasion on turner classic movies at. That's where i last saw but it does a lot more towards. I guess you could say historical accuracy with them. The other movies said we're inspired by stark weather and fugate but yes so they take the car and they head towards wyoming towards the border and they get there and start whether decide gina. What the packers too hot. We gotta dump. So they do that and they signed a trampoline shoe salesman on the side of the road. I'm going to put the badlands slide. Show up while you're talking sure. Yeah that's would be great. They signed this poor guy on the side of the road. And this is again where you see the overkill with start weather. He shoots him nine times in the head while with rice again. Nine times in the head. I just i couldn't get over that. And they take his car and in the meantime with us. There's a guy who works for a mineral service nearby. I think he might have even been a geologist. The younger guy in his twenties and he sees all this going on on the side of the road and he comes up there thinking that you know these people might need some help. So what's he wrestling with. Start weather tried to get the rifle from him. Oh yeah and wall. All this is happening a deputy he pulls over after them and this is where caroline kind of throws his ass under the bus totally she what. What's the first thing that she does when the deputy comes up fronts. Yeah exactly. She runs up to him and says i'm hostage of charles stark. Whether he's trying to kill me. But i guess with that that yeah. He somehow manages to get back into the car. He guns it going about one ten down the highway. There's a bit of a car chase. And after that. He's kind of uneventfully caught. He didn't a lot of spring murders in mass murderers like to do suicide by their own hand or the suicide by cop. Yeah exactly yeah not so with start weather. When the long peaceably. They caught him there. So how far did they get from lincoln. Look that up the miles from lincoln to roughly about douglas biomethane. Oh they got. They did get to wyoming. Oh yeah they got over the border okay. That's a that's like pretty much clear across nebraska and into you know a good part of wyoming to casper is about an eight hour drive with the interstates that exists now eighty west. We'll take you there about five hundred fifty eight point one miles feel that so yeah. They got that far. Yeah and you know after that they get to the trial which was very interesting in and of itself. The state didn't believe that caroline was a hostage thought she was a willing accomplice throughout this. Yeah yeah i could. I could be persuaded on along those lines for sure. Well you know. It didn't help so much with that. That stark weather from when they caught him said she was a hostage to up until she called him a murderer then he started getting the clear insane. Hail no in fact he on. In addition to sexual mutilation of carole king and we were talking about he pinned to of the killings directly on her said that she failed to the women and with that i would assume the Wards mrs warden made that. Would i think be consistent with that mutilation. Yeah ah in one would sinks. Yes stark weather for his part. They tried him separately in start weather for his part said. Hey every person i killed. Self-defense Bullshit miami those killer man rate the tied up women. Yeah well in the tied up nen to yeah and and fugate for her part said that because stark weather was so brutal. Nine only option was to obey him. She ended up getting charged with only one count of murder and it was murder in. The commission of a robbery was the technical charge And she was actually the youngest female in the united states history to be charged with that which is equivalent to murder one with the larger laws. And i'm assuming tried as an adult. They did try your as some adult. Although it's kind of interesting with a lot of that too because of her age when she got her sentence of life in prison she could not be held in general population for the first eight months of stay. Oh yeah so. They kept her in solitary confinement for eight months but yes she was ultimately paroled in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy seven. They considered her completely rehabilitated. And from then on you know she's stuck to that story and she was totally innocent and stark weather. Of course he got the death penalty. They killed him in the electric chair. On june twenty-fifth nineteen fifty-nine only took four minutes. Only yup. yeah. It's is so weird but getting into the other side of and that was some of the other things that were inspired by stark weather and fugate. Yeah there were two other movies in addition to badlands. The first one was the quentin tarantino written and tony scott directed true romance with patricia. Arquette and christian slater think yes. I've seen that The other one in that and then the second one was oliver stone's much more well known film natural born killers which we don't have the poster for that. Oh crap i should agree that everyone is natural born killers. Yeah nikki and mallory. I think we do have a picture of them. Yeah and the this gets even more eventful. After it was a murder that was committed. As i guess you could call it a copycat of the movie or inspired by the movie and that was by sarah edmonson and benjamin james dairut's oath eighteen years old in nineteen or nineteen ninety-five. I'm sorry they were at their on. Families cab evidently dropping a lot of acid having sex and watching the movie repeatedly then they decide. They're going to go on a crime spree. Just like mickey and mallory and just like stark weather and you gay and they. They tell their family that they're going to a grateful dead concert through at all. You know what's crippling interesting with this. There's kids here's the lovely couple. I get their mug shots in there. I think it is one thing. That's really interesting about sarah edmonson. It's her family history both from oklahoma by the way and her addi- her father is a prominent judge in oklahoma that this guy know that guy is their victim. We'll get to him in just a second. And she is also the needs of the state attorney general at the time in oklahoma. Oh man no wonder. She turned to kill and they didn't have their Scandals up until this the edmonson family although they were often compared to the kennedys of oklahoma but yeah they go on this crimes for a and up alternately in ponchatoula louisiana and hernando mississippi. What's well what's interesting is is. They didn't start with the family who were right there. Yeah that is kind of a break from both on. Move both the movie and start weathering fugate. Yeah that's another way but you can even considering sarah's history She went bad but there was nothing recent about it. This is digging a little bit deeper from a washington post article. When she hit puberty her parents say everything. Insider seemed to rot and warp from her early teens. She was aligarh and a drug abuse. She had protracted belts near suicidal depression. Her parents were not unheedful of her troubles or neglectful or uncaring. They checked her into a psych treatment center when she was thirteen. They did what they could for her until they seem not until there seemed to be not much more that they could do. Yeah they both they get in that benjamin darris. That sounds fairly typical for teenage girl. Driving raised to probably doubly. So if you come from a powerful family right yeah. They drive from a leak. What oklahoma to ponchatoula and hernandez two weeks before this sarah's parents for angry and frightened because they knew she had taken a handgun. A thirty eight from the family's weekend cabin. We're afraid she was suicidal in my arm itself. So the end up driving through arkansas mississippi louisiana florida and oklahoma. See how remind me. How old were these crazy kids. Both of them were eighteen oak. Just right they win. They got till louisiana around march eighth of ninety five. They decided that they needed money. So they go into the timesaver convenience star and that is where patsy buyers is working as clerk at the time edmonson. She goes in there and she she she patsy bars ooh does. He doesn't kill her. That turns her into a permanent audra pledging and she says as she's standing over her body Through the cash register. Are you dead yet. Know how do you open this. So wow yeah then. After this they head towards hernando mississippi hundred miles north of panch to lawn. I fifty five. Let's see was at the time. There was a engine operator by the name of william savage eight fifty eight was ultimately shot in his office. By benjamin in he did die. They took about one hundred dollars in credit cards from him when they went through there. So what's interesting here. So far is that this started off from an acid trip. Yup now have been in an extended acid trip right. Which you know from a single-dose can run four or five hours. Yeah but let's say they. They kept the party going for you. Know i don't know eight or twelve hours even but still. But i mean let's just i'm just hypothetically and then they decide they're going go do this shit okay. But then they go and drive to fuck in mississippi. Yeah florida right. But i mean still you know. Lsd trip is over and they're still going through with it. Yeah i mean as far as i could tell there. There's no evidence that they had further acid. After that you know the you know. They didn't keep dropping even if they. I don't know something about this. Is you know it's weird to take to make that choice under the influence and then stick with it in when they're more or less sober. That's pretty wild. Yeah definitely let's see. Oh police believed that. The murder of savage went down at so the assailant darris. I opened the aluminum store door. And then the white wooden door surprising savage who was working at his desk. He wouldn't have seen anyone coming. The rooms only window is filled by an air. Conditioner were no signs of struggle appeared. Savage had time only stand up and look at his killer who fired two shots. The first glance stuff savage shoulder the second hit him directly in the face healing him. He fell forward. The killer than slipped savages wallet from his pocket and took his money and credit cards and fled. Driving through town and getting back on the interstate was a inch. Interestingly they were caught through all this sometime later by an ex girl or an ex boyfriend of edmondson's he was. I don't know. I don't know how the conversation got onto this. But the guy was apparently pulled over for speeding and he fingered her for these crimes. What if i don't know we got to that from being pulled over to saying hey my ex turn into quadriplegic trying to get out of a speeding ticket. I have no idea but yeah at any rate the f. b. i. Come to the parents house to talk to her about it. And she ultimately fingers dara's the murder Fingered figuratively speaking. Mr dead man not literally pointed the finger at yeah. Interestingly after this this story does not end yet. Interestingly after this because misconduct savage heads a rather powerful friend you might know. Because he's written a few books. I think a few movies to use. Well john grisham thing too about the law in fact yep being a lawyer himself right for whatever reason he decides that because these killers said that natural born killers was a factor in this murder and this attempted murder that hey i'm gonna go soo oliver stone under a product liability law because his movie made them do it. You know i right off the bat. I gotta say i have a lot of admiration for grisham and enjoy many of his books. A great deal in the movies made from among mostly except for stupid one done by sydney pollack. Yeah but this is bullshit. I couldn't agree more. I don't know how he even thought he had Flooding to stand on for that or standing to stand. Yeah why did he get to bring a suit. I mean that's a good question. I think he was acting as the family's attorney. Perhaps i would be more than willing to bet. He talked him in the filing debt suit against oliver stone. In warner brothers to which. I'm warner brothers. Ultimately relinquished its royalties in natural born killers including the more brutal director's cut them to relinquish their rights to the royalties. So i'm sure they probably sold it to another studio. Maybe even an investor get that You know. I mean it is kinda daring to say. Oh you should have put a warning in essence a trigger warning on this movie because it's so violent daring strategy but when. She thinks that you could argue the r. rating functions. Is that. yeah you certainly could besides which there's no credible research anywhere the backs up a causal effect of media in violence. Yeah whether you're looking at movies or video games are comic books from the old days or rock music or whatever hell those yeah yeah eight. He tried to argue it and there was one court that didn't initially laughing out of there. They let him go on. But it was. I believe louisiana's highest court and ultimately said no the first amendment precludes that good so you have nothing to stand on with at which is exactly what they should have said. Yeah because it's complete and utter bullshit to say that you need to put a trigger warning on there because somebody might do that well just as we were talking about stark weather who knows what triggered him how you gonna win. Hey i mean how would you put a trigger warning on something for a guy like that. Oh and most definitely. Are you gonna put it on rebel without a cause energy going to look at Mark david chapman. The catcher in the rye yeah it would be another a lot of lunatics. Like catcher in the rye. I've never seen the appeal much myself. I'm not saying no i. I actually found a copy of catcher in the right out in a farmer's field. Perfect spot for you. I don't know. I guess i'd better spot would be burying it but burying in said field right. I don't know that makes me think. Less of john grisham that he would drive that. Well you know old must have been a really good friend us. I'm i think i saw a couple sources. That said that he was a good friend. But then the couple sources described savage as quote an acquaintance of jogger. Try has something. Simpson tipped him over the edge on that. Yeah i have read the client. And i liked it by yeah. I don't know just that he would try. That makes me think kind of less of them. Maybe i'm not being fair there. Well yeah the problem is the what whatever that the connection was you know it had to be held a strong either that or just the concept of it pissed him off at or he was just being an opportunist that he saw. Hey maybe i can do this. But he didn't need that right. Don't know maybe not but yeah you know and also it's pretty interesting how. I'm sure that this other couple thought that they were going to get the criminal. Infamy of stark. I mean i would argue. I would argue that. You know to do grisham novels. Make people want to be lawyers. Yeah that's another way of putting it No yeah 'cause i the thing. Is that people. People want to have it both ways. You know when when it's something they don't like they say. Oh the the media Causes this to happen. But it's something they're in favor of they say well you know it's just a story doesn't do anything bad. They cherry pick the fuck out of that. Yeah all the time. I don't care for that bullshit. I don't think the yes hypocrisy when you get down to. Yeah people like free speech. As long as it's not speech that annoyed spam man and they tell you know. I can't believe that i hadn't actually sat down and watched natural born killers still last saturday. Yeah you know i. I'm not a huge fan of oliver stone either either in like the doors movie shit like the jfk. Movie i thought was terrible. Yeah the one that i did like. I think he did was The people vs larry flint was oliver stone. Isn't it. i think it was. Let me let me find out here. I did like that one. Also with woody harrelson. And you know i have to say i liked natural born killers more than i thought i was going to. You know when you look at that movie. There's not a single shot that is stable throughout it. Cameras always moving. that's exhausting. I actually had to take a dramamine about maybe an hour and twenty minutes in because of that exchange. Yeah i thought it was a very good movie. The doors was weird like val kilmer. But i didn't much care for that j k. I don't know just suck spiracy theories. I don't see his name as director for larry flint. Who wants the director on that. Dc curious now. I can look. I was looking at Oliver could check. Imdb just go right to the title. Sign new meal foreman. okay anyway. That's a good movie about free speech to absolutely people versus larry flint. It's the same guy who directed Amadeus to oh yeah different. Cry different movies that it is. They're both high-calibre though. Yes stark weather was man. He was the first in. I said we were gonna come back to it. So why don't we ask. Tell us in the chat. What do you think about caroline holiday stage or parliamentary conspirator your or partner throughout this i. I'm gonna personally. I'm a kind of lean towards partner. Right now i think so too. I think i think a cunning partner who You know this is. This is a girl who knew how to play the part of the victim when it was it to her benefit. Yup could certainly be argued. And i think that she was You know she didn't try to get away from the house from your own fucking house for days. No no she didn't infect stark weather also said that she could have left at any time was his exact quote and he also pointed out that he left her alone with the guns they had so there you go or or he. She could have made a ruckus when cops showed up. She could have all kinds of things that she didn't do. She could've even set off her older sister right when he was behind the door. Yep something to that effect anyway. Or when he was watching the front door sneak out the back. I mean y-. She knows this house she would know how to move around in it and you know where to go how to get out things like oh yeah. We're not talking about a confined space either right. It's not like we're talking about an apartment with one door. We're talking about farmhouse in nebraska. Probably two stories right yep so believe so and he had to go to sleep so you. She could've stayed awake while he fell asleep and snuck out. I mean there's just so many so many opportunities for her to have made a break. Yup the she didn't tell the cops were right there absolutely. I wonder whatever came her. She's still alive or not. Oh let's see didn't come across much better now. She keeps you pretty low profile According to wikipedia is there's no death record mentioned it for her yet. maybe she is still alive. Life in michigan presently lives in where michigan. Oh wow interesting. Yeah the case. Definitely i definitely think i definitely think she She was a willing participant. At some level. i think about it zodiac isn't a zodiac. Where the who picked up that woman on side of the road and she threw herself out of the car to get away with her baby to get away. Yep it was. She had hundreds of miles of opportunity for that. Yeah so that's yeah a very good point. I'm receiving over my facebook messages right now. Yeah teenage girls are not known for making adult decisions. Keep that in mind. It's true and it's not. It's not a slam on them. No teenage teenage brains are still forming. A are and they are literally awash in hormones and learning to cope with that new flood of hormones. is you know. Really what growing up about learning how to go mad from Having this these chemicals sloshing around in your brain pan yeah just at all. Yeah yeah stunner. Better at it than others yeah. I couldn't agree more with that with the teenage girls. Not known for making adult. Decisions is from our lovely news. Gather around the news for me for every show. Oh awesome yeah. Funding is no nobody but teenage boys likes teenage girls this is true teenage boys and pedophile. Yeah but you know you know. Adult women who have been teenage girls. Don't like teenage girls. Not even their own yep because they are madness persona i talking about that psychology side of it too. There's some people who have studied this. Mostly shrinks and psychologists say that stark. Whether and fugate was what is called a fully Do french trench which literally what that translates to is a circus of to in Psychiatry it's a shared madness a shared psychosis and that's where cheney is just doesn't fit so does that imply that if they had never met they might have been okay not necessarily in my opinion but i also don't see how the fully do applies here because we pretty much know that neither of them were psychotic throughout this. Yeah but there's there's there is something about a you know What's the chemical term. There's a there's a catalyst and a what's the other side of the catalyst. I can't even think of the word. Right now i know just because the full array is that way doesn't mean to imply that there's not something else going on between the two of them you know where they would kill because of that. It just needs to imply that. There's shared psychosis when you when you talk about a full lane since also it goes from fully. I do all the way up to fully. Family is the largest of them. Yeah it's really interesting too because they've also seen the fully phenomena have working at seeven your pet can share what yup they can share it with some certain cases when their owner has at the pet has it but one sure fire way to kill a full. When you know it's happening break you can. That's one way to do it separate out. The person started it. Essentially cut the head off a break. Them of their psychosis and everybody else will be broken. Well wouldn't that be the definition of Manson it definitely could be family circus fully off. Emily not necessarily blood family right. You definitely could argue some psychosis zad word there. There's definitely there are definite cases where people to people come together and they they form a kind of catalytic that only those two people would create. Oh absolutely and volatile together right that if they'd any almost literally anybody else. The troubles wouldn't happen but because they met that one person elements of their personality. I dunno set free or triggered something that you know just wouldn't have come out otherwise and sometimes it's can be a really good thing and sometimes it can be really really bad fred and rose west in I think it was manchester england or an example of that at least in roses case. Many psychiatrists say that had. She not met fred she never would have been a killer well in another one. That came wouldn't have been a good person no matter what she's not an angel all right but she wouldn't have been a murderer. I was just thinking of henry. Lucas and oddest tool right. I think they both would have been killer. Said they not met each other but still meeting each other may not yeah exactly. Yeah i wish. I could remember the book that i had that i read. That was all about fuller loaned it to my psychiatrist and she actually passed away. So damn never get a good doctor to really liked her and it a residency at mount sinai new york. Yeah you you get a good professional you you hang onto him. Yep absolutely remember the title. I think we might have. Beat the hell out charlie and terrible in. I do believe that is the case. Okay we done. We're done and i think so. We kind of decided who were going to do next week. didn't we. We did. And i think he is probably the most depraved one. We're gonna look at this guy. Yeah in terms of what he did. I'm trying. I'm kicking around. If i should say much more. I don't wanna give it away. People have to tune in to find out. Just how bad you can say the name. Oh yeah yeah we could say that albert fish fish one of the weirdest yeah. Lots of let's documentaries online about this guy. Yeah lots of books on para failure has written up with him in mind to shrink said he had a laundry list of them. Geez all right. Good night. Everybody night all.

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S10: Infamous: The Clutter Family Pt. 2

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S10: Infamous: The Clutter Family Pt. 2

"Do the graphic nature of this murder. Case listener discretion is advised. This episode includes dramatization and discussions of murder and assault. That some people may find offensive. We advise extreme caution for children under thirteen. Deputy agent. I need you to come with me. Can't wait. We're in the middle of church. I'm afraid. I can't Mrs Dewey. It's about the clusters. Quarters. I noticed they weren't here this morning. Are you sure this can't wait. The clippers are dead dead to we know who did it. That's why we need. You Sir I'll be right out. Welcome to our second episode of solved murders, true crime mysteries a par cast original I'm your host Carter Roy and I'm your host Wendy Mackenzie? While we at Park cast love exploring the open ended mysteries of our first show unsolved murders. Some of the most fascinating crimes are the ones with the bad guys. Get caught in the end. That's why every Wednesday will tell you. The details of actual closed cases and reveal how some of life's greatest murder mysteries were solved in part one, we will introduce you to the victims, the mystery of their deaths and the initial steps investigators took towards finding their killer in part to we'll take you through all the dramatic twists and turns of the investigation. Investigation and finally reveal how the suspect was caught, and the murder was solved. You can find episodes of solved murders and all other park asked originals for free exclusively on spotify to stream solve murders for free on spotify just open the APP and type solve murders in the search bar it podcast. We're grateful for you. Our listeners you allow us to do. Do What we love. Let us know how we're doing. Reach out on facebook and Instagram at park, asked and twitter at podcast network. This is our second episode on the Clutter Family Beloved and well respected in their rural community. The clutter were found brutally killed in their home in Holcombe Kansas last week we dove into the lives of the letters, and their patriarch herb through the events, leading up to their deaths. Then we discussed the shocking discovery of their bodies on November Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-nine. This week will cover how the story of the clutter. Tragic deaths went from hometown horror to infamous true crime saga then will briefly discuss how the tail was forever immortalized in Truman. CAPOTE's groundbreaking book in cold blood. On Sunday November Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-nine Vinnie County Sheriff. Earl Robinson conducted the first search of the clutter home with undersheriff, windall clearance, Ewald and local English teacher. Larry Hendrix. The four men found the bodies of forty five year old Bonnie Clutter and sixteen year old Nancy in their bedrooms and fifteen year old Kenyon in the basement. However, they still do not know what had happened to forty eight year old herb. There was one last door they had yet to open. The door to the furnace room. Can't see my own hand in here. Maybe there's a light switch somewhere around. Founded my guy so much blood. Her Letters Lead in the center of the furnace room. He had been placed on top of a large cardboard box, keeping him off the cold concrete floor. But this strange act of kindness was undercut by the brutality of herbs murder. He had been shot in the forehead. Point blank just like Kenyon. However his throat had been slashed open and blood was spread all throughout the room. Herbs striped pajamas were soaked in red tape, was wound over his mouth, and around his head, and his ankles were bound. But it looked as though he'd managed to snap the bind that had tied his wrists together, a piece of cord also hung from a pipe above his body, it seemed as though herb, or someone had their wrists secured to the pipe, but then the killer had cut them down this in itself was baffling, but before the men could dwell too much on the strange detail, they noticed something else in the pool of blood, surrounding herbs body. There was a single half soul footprint. It had two distinctive circles. Almost like a pair of eyes in all the carnage and violence, it seemed this one footprint was the only clue the killer had left behind as he stared on the horrible scene sheriff. Robinson realized. This case was far beyond his purview. His operation was small and relatively peaceful. Most years, the worst he dealt with were a few drunken bar fights in the occasional domestic dispute. He neither had the resources, nor the experience to solve a crime of such horrific magnitude. Share Robinson immediately reached out to the Kansas Bureau of Investigation or K B I specifically, he contacted garden cities resident. Agent Forty seven year old. Alvin Adams do we. Do! He was a handsome former sheriff who had also worked as a special agent for the FBI. He and his wife attended the same Methodist Church as the letters. And they knew the family well, in fact, when agent Dewey was first informed of their murders is wife was at the very church service? The clutter is were supposed to attend that morning upon hearing the news agent. Dewey rushed to the club's farm. By the time he arrived clearance. Ewald and Larry Hendrix had left, but Sheriff Robinson and undersheriff Wendell were still conducting their investigation as do. We walked onto the property. He overheard a conversation between Wendell and the cutters groundskeeper Alfred Stock Line. You sure you didn't hear anything last night I. I didn't even know a thing about it. Till five minutes ago. When one of my kids come running in and told us the sheriff was here. So, you must have slept through it all slip. We was up all night. The Mississippi we didn't sleep. Two hours was up and down the whole time on account. We got sick baby and you heard nothing. The only thing we heard about ten thirty quarter to eleven, I heard a car drive away, and I made the remarks to the Mrs there goes Bob Rep Bobby rupp. The RUPP boy must have been the last one to see the clutter alive. I'd say so. Agent Dewey made note of this conversation and put Bobby first on his list of suspects. If the boy was the clatters last guest, perhaps he was responsible for their deaths a K, B I agent did a sweep of the house with the help of Mrs Helmed the clutter housekeeper. Mrs Helm New the home better than anyone in. We figured she would notice if anything had been taken or moved out of place, but as they walked through the house, they found almost nothing aside from the few odd details sheriff. Robinson had already encountered. Nearly everything inside was in its place, Mrs Helm only noticed one thing out of the ordinary. A portable radio had been taken from Kenyans Bedroom. The more agent do we learned the stranger? The crime became as he left the house. He discussed his findings with the fellow agent. It just doesn't make any sense if the killers wanted the quarters dead. Why did they take the radio? Don't do we. Maybe it was an impulse. Grab just saw it in the act and took it maybe maybe or a robbery. A robbery were the only took a radio and left Bonnie's gold rings on her hands. Yup No matter how you look at it. It just doesn't make. With many questions and few answers do we had his team of k? B I agents dig through the House one last time this time. However, they discovered a few more interesting details. They took pictures of everything they came across 'cause I, they found a watch, stuffed into his shoe and Nancy's closet. They believe Nancy most likely put their herself in an effort to hide jewelry from the intruder. If, this were true, it seemed she thought the killer was there to rob them second. They found Nancy's diary inside. She had written entry around. Eleven pm the night before it read. Joe Lean K. came over and I showed her how to make a Cherry Pie. Practiced with Roxy. Bobby here and we watch TV left at eleven now. They had a secondary source confirming that bobby was the last person to see. The clutter is alive, but perhaps more interesting was that as the agents read on Nancy's diary hit at the fact that our father didn't approve of her relationship with Bobbi do we thought that perhaps? Insistence that bobbies stop seeing. His daughter was a potential motive for him to commit murder. After. All herbin Kenyon had been shot face forward while Bonnie was shot from the side. Nancy was the only clutter who had been shot in the back of the head. Implying the killer could not make eye contact with her. If the killer had been her boyfriend. That might explain the discrepancy. Finally the last clue was discovered when the photographs of the house were developed the naked I could only see one footprint left in herb, clutter blood, but the flash bulb of the camera had illuminated a second set in a layer of dust on the furnace room floor. Unlike the first one, these footprints had different patterns souls a diamond design. This implied that a second person had been involved in the slayings with the knowledge that an accomplice was involved the theory that bobby had killed. The clatters seemed less likely but agent. Dewey's still had to do is due diligence an interview. The boy they found bobby crying with Susan Kidwell Nancy's best friend. bobbies tears nearly extinguished dewey suspicions completely. Still as the last person to see the clutter is alive. Doing knew he had to get the teenager talking. Bobby. I know this must be tough. But I need you to tell me what happened last night. I went. Over, we watch TV. I can tell you the shows. We watched and win. If you like maybe later, just tell me what happened highly cared about watching the sports which ended at ten thirty. So when they finished, Nancy walked me out. We talked awhile and made a date to go to the movies Sunday night. A movie called Blue Denim go on. Back, in the House and drove away. It was as clear as day. The moon was so bright, cold and kind of windy. A lot of tumbleweeds born about, but but that's all I saw. When do we finished interviewing bobby? He was convinced that the boy wasn't the killer to be safe. However do we had him questioned while connected to a lie detector, but the test was clean. Bobby was telling the truth with his prime suspect eliminated. Do we had few other leads? He assembled a team of seventeen officers incentives top three men out in the community to hunt down tips. These men were agents from the Kansas Bureau of Investigation or KPI, their names were Herald, ny Roy, church, and Clarence dunce agent Ni- at energetic man with skeptical is was sent to interview the remaining two members of the clutter family their daughters. Viana and Beverley. Knight thought that Viana in particular might have insight to offer into the crime. Ileana. It's an awful thing that happened, but we are doing everything we can to find the people who did this I just need to ask you a few questions I. appreciate it. What do you need to know? was there anybody who didn't like your siblings? Bullies teachers ex-boyfriends. Everybody loved Nancy and Kenyon. They never had a crossword with anyone. What about your mother I know? She was having some difficulties. Those were hers alone. She never hurt a fly. Is there any possibility I'm not saying? It's likely just wondering if it's possible. Did your father have a mistress? What he was healthy, handsome, well liked, and he and your mother slept in different rooms. Look! My parents never spoke to their children about their love life, but as far as I'm aware they were still intimate with each other, not anyone else. Thank you for your candour. After interviewing the clippers, two surviving daughters and their extended family Kiai, special agent knife found that no one could think of a single possible motive for the crime. In fact, nine only had this to say of all the people in the world. The clutter were the least likely to be murdered, but as nice search within the family proved to be a dead end, his colleagues Dunston church her a slightly different sentiment from the Community Clarence. dunce was a burly man with a wide face. As he spent time in holcomb, asking around about the cutters he heard about an altercation herb had gotten into a few years before. According to in cold blood by Truman, Capote herb, and a man will call tim senior had conducted a minor business transaction, the outcome of which angered tim senior after Tim seniors business dealings with her went south. He made a habit of drinking. He regularly talked about his grudge against the clutter in public spouting threats against her to anyone who would listen. And to make matters more interesting, his son, who will call Tim, junior was already known for being an alcoholic and minor criminal tim senior and Tim Junior had even gone so far as to drunkenly trespass on herbs land, calling him out to fight. Herb Chase them office property with a shotgun, their drunken behaviour, criminal history and open threats on herbs, life made the Tim's seemed like promising suspects, and yet another promising lead would be discovered by agent. Roy Church around the same time besides tim junior and tim senior. There was another man who held a grudge against herb, clutter or the sake of anonymity. We will refer to him as Mr. hudgens believed that herb had gun down his beloved hunting dog, and like Tim Senior was known to frequently complain about herb. His disdain for him was public knowledge. Church went to investigate this lead. Mr Hudgens farm. But, though hudgens himself wasn't there when he arrived, the agent noticed an interesting coincidence. I arrived at the husband's farm to question hudgens about his feud with the clusters, but hudgens was not home. His Barn door was cracked open. I took a peek inside and noticed something interesting ropes tied up in the rafters upon closer inspection. The knots were the same style not used on the clubbers. It isn't a complicated not, but we can't ignore the similarities. Especially you had the motive to tie up the clusters, dewey and his team scrambled to track down and interrogate the TIM's and Mr, hudgens. But sadly these leads turned out to be as dead as the clutter themselves. In fact, all three men Tim Senior Tim, junior and Mr Hudgens had airtight alibi. and Mr Hudgens was out of state. It seemed the investigators were entirely out of leads. Yet do he was persistent? Clears past there was some connection between the killers and their victims and dewey was determined to find it. He would do everything in his power to capture their murderers once and for all. When, we return agent. Dewey's manhunt intensifies now back to the story. The murders had occurred on November Fifteenth Nineteen fifty nine and by late November. Agent Dewey's only leads the clutter case had been ruled out one by one. Determined to find something he took a fine tooth comb to the families lives. He made it his mission to investigate every former classmate business associate employee. Everybody, who had ever met the clutter slowly? His team worked their way through a long list of people bought as days turned into weeks and fall slipped into winter. Still the agents only hit that ends. It seemed the clutter. Killers would remain on the loose forever until one day. Agent Dewey's phone rang. What do you want? Is this agent Alvin Dewey? I thought you knew that when you called I, did just didn't expect this response. My apologies, sir, it's just been quite the day the month. Really May I ask who speaking? Yes, my name is hand the warden at Kansas. State Penitentiary I. Think I've got some good news for you more than hand. That's right. I've got a boy here by the name. Name of Floyd, wells tells a mighty interesting tale says he knows who killed your people and Dewey I. Think you might want to hear him out. Floyd wells was an inmate who, in prison for stealing lawnmowers at I do we thought well as been making stories up for the attention or for the reward money. However, when do we listen to more of the inmates story? The agents opinion quickly changed. Back in nineteen forty eight hours drifting around the country, looking for work I found myself river valley farm got hired by Mister. Clutter. Work him about a year. Were you fired? No, no herb treated me fine. They were Nice family three. Oh Nice I was just feeling. Kind of Footie wanted to move on eleven years. Later you end up here. Is Her round June? My first cellmate was a man named Dick Cock. It talked about all sorts of plans you have for. When he got out big scores, he called him. He almost always talked about a friend of his a half Indian named Perry who helped him. How does herb factor into all of this? Don't exactly recall how Mr Clutter. I got mentioned, but when I brought up the closures. Dig Never stopped asking me about the family what he wants to know all sorts of things. How many were there? What ages with the kids be now? How was the house laid out? Did Mr Clutter keep a safe, but her didn't have a safe. He never worked with cash. That's the thing I told. dicky did because I seem to remember a sort of cabinet or safe or something right behind the desk in the office. Next thing knew dig was talking about killing Mr. Clutter said him and Perry was going to go out there and rob the place, and they was going to kill all the witnesses. Tie them people up in gun them down. To set at about a dozen times, it's been weeks since the killings. Why did it take you so long to tell us about this? I thought it was just talk. That's why when I heard it on the radio well, I didn't hardly believe it. It took me some time to work up the courage to tell anybody, but then I remembered Mr. Clutter and now we never done me no harm. Yes I harmed him without ever meaning to. Floyd story was exactly what do we had been searching for? It perfectly explained so many perplexing aspects of the crime. The cutters had been the targets of a robbery, but there was an unfortunate misunderstanding. The thieves had expected a safe full of money to make the crime worthwhile. But there was nothing to steal. The robbers didn't know the clutter, but they did know of the clutter cutters they had never been to the farm, but they knew everything about the farm how to get there where the phones were and how many people lived in the house and the killers only knew about the family because of former employees who had worked for them over a decade, earlier happened to mention them by pure chance, it was an incredible chain of coincidence that felt just as random and purposeless as the killings themselves. Do he had a strong hunch that Dick Hickok and Perry Smith were the two men responsible for the clutter family murders. The only thing left to do. Is Find Them. I The K B I looked up. There suspects case files Perry Edward Smith was a five foot, four inch, tall, thirty one year, old man with dark brown hair he'd lived all over the western half of the United. States was known for his violent temper and had been arrested for Burglary Smith had been released from prison on parole less than six months prior to the murders. In July nineteen, fifty nine on the condition that he never returned to the state of Kansas, ever again, clearly, he had violated the terms of this agreement Richard. Eugene Hickok otherwise known as Dick Hickok was a twenty eight year old man who had grown up in a suburb of Kansas City. He was a charismatic and promising young athlete until he suffered devastating head trauma in a car accident. After the crash Hickok lost his inhibitions. However, his criminal record didn't particularly stand out. He cashed a series of bad checks around town, and was eventually in prison for a home burglary cock was released from prison that previous August in Nineteen fifty-nine and returned home to live with his parents, Walter and Eunice hickok outside of Kansas City agent Nye visited the Hickox at their home to ask after their son's whereabouts. By this point I'm sure you know why. I'm here. Are. Boy violated his parole and cash some bad checks. That's that's right. Mr Nye certain as I'm sitting here that no good friend of his Perry Smith was the one who put him up to write in them. Checks Dick brought him home one evening, but no sir I wouldn't have him in the house. One look and I saw what he was a criminal interesting. Now when did Perry show up around? Here must've been early November Dick found a room for Perry at the Hotel Olathe, and after that Dick was with him every spare minute. Once? They went off on a weekend trip now on this weekend trip. What did they go the way? I understood it. Perry Smith has a sister who lives in Fort Scott. She was supposed to be holding a piece of money belonged to him, so Dick drove him down there to get it. It was only an overnight trip from the fourteenth to the fifteenth. I believe so they left Saturday and returned Sunday November fifteenth. was there anything strange about his behavior? When he was back on the twentieth, he painted the town. Read what bad checks then vanished on the twenty-first without a word. No idea where he went interesting. Now I have one last question. That shotgun in the corner. Do you much hunting Mr Hickok Vets Dick. Twelve gauge voted on credit to shoot pheasants. He didn't I left the Hickox home shaking with excitement almost everything they told him indicated that Dick Hickok and Perry. Smith had killed. The clutter 's won't Hickox thought Hickok and Smith traveled to Fourth Scott on November. Fourteenth Nine knew that Smith sole surviving sister had never lived in. Fort Scott Kansas. It seemed Hickok. Had told his parents a complete lie likely to cover up their trip to river valley farm, and to top it all off. Ny was certain that he had just spotted the murder weapon. Now, all he had to do is find his suspects the KB I contacted law enforcement in seventeen states and several cities where Perry Smith and Dick Hickok had been known to travel K, B I gave these agencies descriptions of their suspects, and an active search began for Smith and Hitchcock in Kansas City, Reno, Las Vegas and Alaska. The pair had vanished one week after the murders on November twenty, first and the. Had only started tracking them in early December. Do, we and the rest of the team all new. Their suspects might be too far gone possibly even out of the country, but they were willing to wait as long as it took to find them, but to their surprise just one week after putting out there, APB's. They gotta hit. Foul. Brother Ni-. Get ready for some big news on ready. Our friends were right here in Kansas. City just yesterday Hickox written checks from one side of town to the other, using his own name his own name. That must mean he doesn't plan to hang around. So Smith still with him. They're together. Okay, but driving a different car. One of the guys they scammed had the sense to write down the license number. Johnson County licensed one six to one to. Must be a stolen car stolen tags two. We sent out an alert with the new information. Good chance! We catch them by Christmas. The agents would not apprehend Smith and Hickok by Christmas time, but they wouldn't have to wait much longer around five pm. On December Thirtieth Las Vegas, police officers OC PICKFORD and Francis MacAulay were on patrol on their regular route while driving, they noticed a black and white nineteen fifty-six Chevrolet Bearing Kansas license plate number J o one six to one to parked outside of the Las Vegas Post Office Dick Hickok was sitting in the driver's seat. Both officers had memorized their list of APB's and they recognize kickoff. Kickoff in the stolen vehicle. Almost immediately they kept their distance parked behind the car and waited shortly after the officer Spied Perry, Smith Emerging from the post office, carrying a large cardboard box. They watched Smith get into the car and followed as the river way. The cops tailed the suspects for half a mile, winding up and down the Las Vegas streets, finally the purpose pull up in front of a CD motel and parked. The officers quickly sped up beside them and hopped out of the car guns drawn. Dick Hickok compare Smith. You are under arrest shoe honey. Here we go again. The officers brought the duo in for questioning. They also searched the box. Smith picked up from the post office. It contained a collection of his belongings. Most interesting among them were two pairs of boots. One set had a distinct diamond soul. The second had a catspaw on. That could also look like to is. These were the boots that had walked across the cluttered basement. The officers had found their smoking gun yet despite this, the agents knew that matching blueprints would not be enough to get a conviction in court. After all any lawyer could argue that some other pair of men had worn seen boots that fateful night. Now if I wanted to put these away for life. They knew they would need a confession soon. The K B is best agents, but arrive in Vegas to make that happen. When we return, the interrogation begins now back to the story. On December, Thirtieth Twenty eight-year-old Dick Hickok in thirty one year old. Perry Smith the prime suspects in the clutter. Family murders were arrested by police in Las Vegas. K B I agents Alvin Dewey. Herald ny Roy Church and Clarence dunce arrived in Vegas by January first nineteen sixty. They interrogated Hickok in Smith around two PM on January second. The four agents split the suspects into two different interrogation rooms, Alvin Dewey and Clarence dunce question Perry. Smith Herald Nine Roy Church interrogated Dick Hitchcock. Harry Smith was quiet in defensive. He did little talking at all. Hitchcock on the other hand was chatty and confident. It was cleared denying church that Hickok thought he could talk his way out of anything. This man t was their best bet at a confession I. They warmed Hickok by claiming they'd only Travel Vegas to ask him about his check cashing sprees back in Kansas convinced he'd only get time for fraud Hickok talked openly about his many travels. He and Smith had spent the past two months driving all over America from Kansas City to Miami to Mexico City. And all the way back to las. Vegas once they felt hitchcock was at ease. They dropped a bomb on him. Those. were, something else sounds like it. I guess you know why we're here or what I guess you realize. He would have come all the way to Nevada just a chat with a couple of two bit. Chesler's. Would we dick? I can't think of any other reason. Tell me Dick. have. You ever heard of the clutter case Whoa now. Hold on here I'm no goddamn killer, a vicious crime vicious. Cowardly And almost perfect, but you made two mistakes stick. One was you left the witness who will get on the stand and tell a jury how Richard Hickok and Perry Smith bound and gagged and slaughtered four helpless people living witness. No second was a blueprint. You and Perry, both we know you were there and here's what's going to happen to you Hickok. You be taken back to Kansas. You'll be charged on four counts of first degree murder. Perry Smith Killed The clutter. Jerry I couldn't stop him. He killed him. Oh. He told them everything that happened beginning to end. It was everything they needed from confession. And it largely matched floyd wells hickox former cellmates. Testimony Wells was the one living witness agent had told Hickok he'd left alive in order to get him to confess. Ironically though floyd wells was the reason, the cutters were killed. He also became the reason why they're. Killers would be tried, but first they had to get Perry Smith to talk to. They couldn't trust Hickox word alone. After all, he was pinning every murder on his accomplice. They needed to know if Smith would do the same to Hickok the next day agent do we spoke with Smith as they drove him in the patrol car on the long road back to Kansas. He says he tried to stop you Perry, but says he couldn't. Says he was scared. You shoot him to in fact Hickok tells us your natural born killer says you whipped a man to death with a bicycle chain in Vegas Little Dick Hitchcock. What a tough boy! At first I didn't believe you that. Dick confessed I never killed a man in Vegas, but he thought so. So Dick was afraid of me. At some using I'm very amused. Of course, he doesn't know that I almost did shoot him. Tell me about it Perry. According to Smith, the plan was first formed when Hickok wrote to him from prison about a surefire job. Concerned a rich man named Clutter Hickok told Smith that the clutter house was guaranteed score, and that herb had at least ten thousand dollars tucked away in a safe. That was theirs for the taking. Because, Smith had few other. At the time he agreed to partner with Hickok and they met up in November. They prepared themselves for the robbery. At one thirty PM on Saturday the fourteenth, they headed straight for the clutter farm. They brought along ropes. Gloves shot gun and a knife after a four hundred mile drive from Leith a Kansas. They reached holcomb a little after midnight. As. They pulled onto the clutter driveway. They turned off their headlights. The moon was bright enough to drive without them and order not to be heard. They stopped their car halfway down the lane, and Park beneath the shadow of a tree. They noticed the lights flicker on in the stock lines home. But as soon as it shut off, they were out of the car gloves on. Smith held the gun. Cock had a knife and a flashlight. They approached the house and entered through the unlocked side door, which took them directly into herbs office. At first they were excited as the safe should have been right there. They thought. Perhaps they could open it discreetly and leave without ever seeing anyone at all, but of course the safe didn't exist. They searched everywhere in the office, but found nothing dejected Smith grabbed a pair of binoculars and pocketed them infuriated by the missing safe Hickok marched into herbs bedroom and woke him up. Are you Mr Clutter? Who is it? What do you want? We want your safe Sir and everything inside save. I don't have a safe. Don't give me that in your office now. You'RE GONNA find it for us. He caught continued to interrogate herb, but her insisted he didn't own a safe Smith believed the farmer, but Hickok only got angrier the to begin to clash bickering in front of herb. Then they separated. Haycock returned her to his bedroom and took thirty dollars from his billfold. Smith cut the telephone wires to buy more time displeased with his thirty dollar hall. Hickok marched herb up to Bonnie's room and had him wake her. He searched through her purse, but she only had a few dollars. At this point, Smithfield Hickok aside, it's time for us to leave Dick. These people clearly don't have ten thousand dollars on hand. These people are lying honey. We just got mccarter Hickok brought Herbin Bonnie into the bathroom where Smith placed a chair for bonding to sit on. Then they pulled fifteen year old Kenyon from his bed and sixteen year old Nancy from room before shoving them in the bathroom with their parents. Haycock stood guard is Smith searched the house. He eluded Nancy's purse taking a single silver dollar. And he took a portable radio from Kenyans, room when he returned to the bathroom, Smith tied Herbs Hands Together and marched him to the basement. There he placed a large cardboard box on the cement floor, and her to lay down on top of it next Smith brought Kenyan downstairs, stood him next to his father, and tied his wrists to a pipe above his head. Then thinking better of it. Smith Move Kenyon to the couch in the other room. He ordered him to lie down and propped a pillow underneath his head for Comfort Smith returned to the second floor where he tied Bonnie up in her room. But as he tightened the cords Bonnie, pleaded with him. She wanted Smith to protect her daughter from Hickok as she didn't trust. Hickox intentions shorn off. Smith found Hickok in Nancy's room. He was sitting on her bed, attempting to flirt with the terrified girl. Disgusted by Hickox behavior. He stopped his partner in reminded him. They were there for money alone. Smith then tied Nancy up and tucked her into her bed as Hickok left in a huff. After he'd left the room Hickok took seven dollars from Nancy's purse and left it on the kitchen floor when Smith and Hickok reunited in the hallway. Hickok had something to say. WanNa bus that little girl Ha. But you'll have to kill me I what you care. You can buster to I despise people who can't control themselves. Leave her alone else. You've got a buzzsaw to fight. Okay, honey! If that's the, will you feel? The, to return to the basement where they taped Kenyon and herbs mouth. Shut Every member of the clutter family was tied up and Hickok had yet to raise his gun kickoff could always said there would be no witnesses. Hickok had assured Smith that he was willing to kill, but now with the clutter bound before them helpless Hickok stood frozen Smith new now that Hickok was a Blowhard, all talk and no action. He felt a rage building up inside him not at the clutter, but it hitchcock, and of all the stupid blustering in forced him to sit through since learning about the job Dick. It's time to go. Leave them alive and this won't be any small round. Ten years the very least. Give me the knife. Perry right. Dick here goes Smith marched over to her, and without even realizing what he was doing, slit his throat. Her was still alive, struggling with his binds on the ground. Smith handed Hickok the knife. Finish him. You'll feel better. Let's let's just go. Let's run get Outta here he's breaking free Dick. It's far too late for that. Smith shot herb in the head. Then with the sound still ringing in his ears, he marched to the next room. and Shot Kenyon. Nancy. Then Bonnie. Smith barked at Hickok to collect the shotgun cartridge in each room. The two men left the carnage behind them, hopped in their car and drove away. They hardly spoke to each other as they fled, stopping to bury the shells, left record and hunting knife in a field in the middle of nowhere, the men had killed an entire family, intending to steal ten thousand dollars instead. They left with forty dollars a pair of binoculars portable radio. The agents said in shock as Smith finished story. The mysterious crime was solved. But knowing what happened, made it all the more horrifying. The clutter deaths were almost random purposeless. Awful. Perry Smith and Dick were tried and found guilty in March of nineteen sixty. They were sentenced to death both were executed by hanging on April fourteenth nineteen, sixty five. But before they died, they told their story one more time. To the man who would make the clutter name known across the nation. The clutter family tragedy was such an impactful case. It attracted the attention of one of the nation's greatest writers at the time Truman capote originally capote had intended to write an article for the New Yorker about the effect, the murders had had on the small town of Holcomb, but the story quickly became a much larger than a single article could capture over the next several years. Capote interviewed every person he could including the killers he got. Got An in depth, look into the psyche of everyone involved and compiled his findings into the first true crime novel in cold. Blood Capote's work proved to be groundbreaking in the literary world. It was perhaps the first book to provide an in depth, look not only at the humanity of the victims, but of the killers themselves in cold blood, told both sides of the story it immortalized the clutter family and heightened the tragedy of their deaths. But at the same time it explored the dark circumstances that created the killers desperation, and highlighted the staggering coincidences that lead to such a tragic outcome for all involved now people, the world over more the cutters, just as they understand the complex nature of the men who killed them. The Dark Tale stands as a grim example of lives that were ended far too soon. The clutter 's herb Bonnie Nancy and Kenyon were sorely missed, and their tragic loss will continue to be remembered the rest of time. Thanks again for tuning in to solve murders. We'll be back next Wednesday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of solve murders, and all other par- cast originals for free on spotify, not only despite if I already have all of your favorite music, but now spotify is making easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast. Originals like solve murders for free from your phone, desktop or smart speaker to stream solve murders on spotify. Just Open. The APP and type solve murders in the search bar. We'll see next time if we lived till next time for more information on. On the clutter family murders amongst the many sources we used. We found in cold blood. By Truman capote extremely helpful to our research. Solve murders. True crime mysteries was created by Max, Cutler and his apar- cast studios original. It is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Russell Nash With Production Assistance by Ron Shapiro, carly. Madden and Isabella Way. This episode of solved murders was written by Giles off. Seth with writing assistance by Abigail Cannon, the amazing cast voice. Actors includes Bill Butts Tom Bauer Joe Hernandez Harris. Markson, Rebecca Thomas and Dan Velazquez. It Stars Winning Mackenzie and Carter Roy.

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The Mean Elf and the High Heeled Shoes (Teaser)

Fairytale Murders

03:58 min | 2 years ago

The Mean Elf and the High Heeled Shoes (Teaser)

"The. A new episode very temperatures is about to begin. All the stories are true, Rian visioned just for you. But a word of warning before we continue, these stories are not appropriate for young princes and princesses are intent is to entertain the darkest of dark comedies is about to ensue to support very summers. Please click by stars in leave us a review and please join our patron for exclusive content Ford. More details visit W W W dot berry till murders dot com. This fairytale is based on the murders by a serial killer that occurred in Oregon between nineteen sixty eight and nineteen sixty nine. In the land South Dakota, where wild Bill hickok, bow lived, a mommy, L A, daddy, elf, and a baby boy, L, one exciting day, the mommy, L Pat, another baby L. But this was another baby boy, L, this made the mommy and daddy out very sad and even worse, the mommy elf was angry. This mommy L was so angry that she had another baby boy L, that she was never very nice to the little baby boy, elf in, so the baby boil grew up knowing that his mommy, did not really want him this made him so so sad. But he was not just sad. He was also very, very angry. And although was just his mommy that would mean to him that did not stop him from getting angry with all the other lady Elles in the forest and every time his mommy hit him. He would get more and more angry and hate all ADL's just a little bit more. And so the baby out grew into a boy L being a lonely little elf. He would play by himself in the forest staying away from his home, and his me. Mommy alpha has long as possible. One day, he and his family moved to the land of, Oregon, where there were more places than anywhere else in the whole land per square mile for lady else to dance in Birlik and take off their clothes for cookies. He was a weird land, but all the else there seemed oh so very nice. But still, he played by himself in a new forest meeing sure to stay away from home and his mean mummy off all day, one day while the boy was playing in the forest he found a pile of trash left there by other elves he started digging through the trash until he came across a pair of high yield lady L shoes. Oh, how pretty he thought they were ever so shiny and just looking at them made our little L smile with happiness? He liked the lady of shoes so much the he decided to put them on, and skipped home to show his mommy, but as was to be expected from the mean mommy off. She was not happy that he wanted to put on lady off shoes. No matter how pretty they were those are dirty. She said and the boy elves should not wear them. So she told him to take them off and never put them on again.

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A bridge of ice at Niagara Falls

Retropod

05:07 min | 2 years ago

A bridge of ice at Niagara Falls

"Richard pod is sponsored by T. Rowe price. Are you looking to learn a thing or two about getting your finances in order saving and investing? Check out the confident wallet a personal finance podcast series by T. Rowe price and the Washington Post brand studio find it wherever you get your podcasts. Hey history lovers. I'm Mike Rosen walled with retro pod. A show about the past rediscovered. If you go to Niagara Falls in the winter, you might witness something remarkable, the violent torrents at the base will seem to disappear the spot where the freezing cold water of the falls crashes into the rocks below will free solid, and then comes the remarkable part giant ice floes will form there. And sometimes if you're lucky enough ice will build up to connect United States to Canada, if you have seen this you have seen the Niagara Falls by speech at one time in history. People would hang out on the ice bridge play on it. And even walk along it to cross the border between the two countries it connects these days, though, people don't set foot on the ice bridge anymore. The Niagara ice bridge used to be a busy destination in winter in the eighteen eighty s children would ride sleds there in the shadow of the gushing falls entrepreneur soul, food and drinks from makeshift concession stands to the tourists rolling back and forth between the United States in Canada. One guy described as a sharp rogue in the Niagara Falls gazette built a shanty in the middle of the massive bridge right on the border between the two countries technically no laws apply there. And he took advantage of this technicality to sell liquor from his hut. But one afternoon the festivities on the flows, crumbled. It was February fourth nineteen twelve about three dozen people were on the bridge when suddenly a giant block of ice fell onto the breech allowed cracking noise. Could mean only one thing the flows were breaking apart. According to an account from the buffalo evening news, most people quickly scrambled off the bridge to land softly on either side, but Eldridge and Clara Stanton, a married. Couple. In a pair of seventeen year old friend, Burrell hickok and Ignatius Roth found themselves caught on a large chunk of ice headed rapidly downstream towards dangerous Rapids and the Niagara whirlpool. Not good Rothen hickok decided to make a leap for their lives. Roth made it to shore in a condition described as more dead than alive, but hearing a scream from Clara Stanton hickok turned back to help the panic couple. He missed his chance and the three hurdled closer to disaster spectators gathered to watch from above the ice broke apart again. Separating hickok from the Stanton's a group of quick thinking repairman who were among the spectators launched a rescue plan. They ran a rope over the side of the bridge and dangled it for hickok to catch as he came closer. In a burst of strength, Hitchcock grasped, hold of the line and the crowd cheered as the workers began hoisting him from one hundred and sixty feet above then the cheers gateway to hor about halfway to safety Hickox grip gave out and he crashed back to the ice below hickok struggled to get to his feet, but a moment later the ice floe lip Dover. And he was gone. Meanwhile, the Stanton's clung together as they're ice floe headed toward the Rapids. The buffalo evening news accounts said that upon realizing their fate Mr. Stanton put his coat around his wife and Ling melt together in prayer before the ice flipped then they disappeared in the river's current. None of the bodies were ever recovered. The Niagara Falls ice bridge was closed to visitors the following day. I'm Mike Rosen walled. Thanks for listening. This episode was adapted from a story written. I Kristine Phillips for the Washington Post for more forgotten stories from history. Visit Washington Post dot com slash retro pot.

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Who Were the First Cowboys?

BrainStuff

07:35 min | 11 months ago

Who Were the First Cowboys?

"Today's episode is brought to you by vantage. If you need business communications US bondage, they've got unified communications, contact centers and Communication Api's little figuratively blow your mind and literally make your mind explode from sheer joy. But that's it. They're great at all those. They're not so great at explaining why we get morning breath what fracking is and making awesome short snippets of smart that satisfy the Internet and all of us for that kind of stuff the person reading this is way better. So to recap von Edge for amazing business communications, brain stuff podcast for daily servings of smart vantage now we're talking. To brain stuff production of iheartradio. Brain stuff lauren welcome here. Whether it's John Wayne or a little Nasr the cowboy holds sacred place in the Pantheon of American heroes. But the cowboy that we know didn't spring fully formed from the Dustin tumbleweeds of the wild west. The original cowboy in fact had nothing to do with the wild west. Historically speaking the whole cowboy image, the trustee horse, the open range get along doggy campfires under starry nights old town road beans from a Chuck Wagon yeehaw cattle, drives, branding chaps, and spurs grew from roots a long way from the American West. It all began in Europe with three central elements man cow and horse. In Spain for centuries, the horse was king a Richard W, Slava writes in the introduction of his book. Cowboys of the Americas social history of cowboys in the Western Hemisphere quote, the Spanish culture endowed horsemanship with high status official portraits of Spanish kings depicted them astrid pawing rearing horses. The Spanish used their horses and a burgeoning livestock. With included cattle and sheep to complement farming in the fourteen hundreds. And when the Spanish made their voyages to the so-called new world in the late fourteen hundred, they took with them, horses and cattle. Eventually from Hispaniola the island that today houses the Dominican Republic, and Haiti the men, the horses, and the cattle made their way to Florida and parts of what's now Mexico. The cattle multiplied and the need for horsemen to track them down and keep them in line grew a cows were needed then more for their hides than their meat. So ranchers trained native Americans who came up with all sorts of new cow handling techniques and the Carro was born. Of the word comes from the Spanish word for COW VACA and the Carro a sometimes pronounced by Carol. Is the direct predecessor of the American cowboy. In Wrestle Friedman's book in the days of the Carro America's first true cowboys. He explains that Vicario's were hurting battle on the Mexican plains some five hundred years ago they were poor laborers and not much credit by the Spanish colonizers who employed them, but they invented the cowboy as we know it. Other cowboys proliferated through Central and South America in Mexico there was also the Chato usually the Caros or spin landowners. There was the narrow in Venezuela, the Oiseaux Chile the Gaucho in. Argentina. Uruguay. They can all trace their ancestors to the Carol. And America to would soon have its own version of a horseman and cattle herder. As, the FA CAROS learned to rope and ride and through laureates as they modified their saddles to include a horn to anchor rope to an as they introduced some blocking hats and lead protecting chaps they moved into what is now Texas and their influence was felt even farther west in eighteen, thirty, two King Command. The third for some vk rose to help with wild cattle in Hawaii, the Hawaiian Cowboy became known as the Penny Olo. Eventually, an American counterpart formed an spread throughout the West cowboys had other names, cowhands, cow punchers, cow pokes cattleman buckle ruse, and drovers will officially those who moved cattle from one place to another on a cattle drive. But. The work was the same long days nights on the planes, a lot of dust some danger and when they weren't working the herds branding paddle fixing fences caring for their horses and performing other hard labor around ranch's. They weren't necessarily gamblers and gunfighter say wild bill Hickok or gunslinging lawmen like Wyatt Urp or his showy buddy doc holiday or that is sharp shooters like any Oakley or all out showman like Buffalo Bill Cody. Though all of these legends, how legit claims to a spot in the wild West Hall of fame. and. Away all of those types of become known as cowboys. Slaughter wrote in the cowboy. Encyclopedia. The cowboy of the American West. A dashing figure in popular novels and films was in reality a poorly paid labourer engaged in difficult dirty, often monotonous work. The cowboys work year centered on two big events, the roundup and the long drive round ups were held in the spring and often also in the fall. After cowboys had herded cattle to a central location. They branded newborn calves castrated in horned older animals, and in the spring shows the cattle to be taken to market. At one time tens of thousands of cowboys worked ranches throughout the. West. By the end of the American civil war an estimated quarter of those were black cowboys, many of them formerly enslaved. But the cowboys heyday didn't last long the invention of barbed wire and late eighteen hundreds helped pen cattle in and the expansion of railroads made long cattle drives less necessary. So the white well-kempt gunslinger cowboy of Hollywood westerns isn't a particularly accurate image, but like the cowboy himself or herself, it is an enduring one. Today's episode was written by John Donovan and produced Tyler Clang for more on this month of other topics that are wanted dead or alive. Is it how stuff works? Dot Com brings up is production of iheartradio for more podcasts from my heart radio isn't the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Today's episode is brought to you by Mazda back in the four-times before Nineteen Mazda invited a few of us. IHEART podcasters out to drive there. Do See X. Thirty from Palm Springs to San Diego and that trip encapsulates what I miss about traveling and being on an unfamiliar road feeling the grip of the curves enjoying the world is you only can from a car with the windows down in the music up their whole lineup of C.. 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362: The Bald Truth

The Slowdown

05:00 min | 1 year ago

362: The Bald Truth

"I'm Tracy K Smith and this is the slow down. We're all a little vain. Aren't we please humor me and say that the answer is yes that. I'm not alone in liking some things about myself and spending time wishing I could change. Others isn't some portion of Vanity Intrinsic to our human nature. The trick is owning up to your own vanity and being able to laugh about it and putting it into perspective learning to tell yourself to stop obsessing over the appearance or disappearance of these physical markers that don't that shouldn't define us but it's hard everywhere you look there reminders of the impossible standards of beauty. We've all been taught to aspire too white teeth. Do we skin long legs and hourglass waste. The list goes on and on maddeningly so it sends us chasing after a version of ourselves. That doesn't exist. That may not even be possible. What would it take to escape it? Is there anyone anywhere who doesn't harbor the wish to be someone or something that they're not the first time? I heard my daughter remark at her own weight. She was barely three years old. My heart stopped wasn't my fault or the world's that she had already learned to see a correlation between thin and beautiful. There's no way to erase that information from her brain but I can try harder to temperate with alternatives to celebrate the many different forms of beauty that surround us. I do it for my daughter but I am learning something along the way the effect seems to be that I'm beginning to accept myself as the imperfect being that I am just a little more willingly. Today's poem is the Bald Truth by Bob. Hickok it speaker engages in a refreshing form of straight talk with himself. It makes me wonder what it would feel like to have a similar conversation with my own ego naming what it is. I think I hate about my physical self. What it is I believe myself to lack and then letting it go finding away to say the words my daughter and sons have already learned how to sing and hopefully believe for themselves the bald truth by Bob Hickok. My hair went on a diet of its own. Accord Rogaine is the extent of my vanity. It didn't work but it was fun. Treating my head with fertilizer. As if it were for knowledge assists lawn they were onto something in believing the skull. You have is the sole you are that the brain is involved in the sport of tectonics. My skull has a fault line like California's which makes sense. Given how the hemispheres of. My brain collide. The right side wants to clean the house while the left knows. Dancing is the best part of who we are or vice versa. I always have to look that up. They say baldness means energetic. Things about parts of me. That aren't falling off the real compensations. Having no choice meeting the mirror but to accept that tomorrow will be different than today and greeting my wife not wondering as pretty men must if I'm kissed for my soul or face to never doubt as I become invisible that I'm seen by love. The slowdown is a production of American public media in partnership with the Poetry Foundation to get poem delivered to you daily. Go to slow down show DOT ORG and sign up for our newsletter.

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Short Stuff: Black Cowboys

Stuff You Should Know

15:40 min | 11 months ago

Short Stuff: Black Cowboys

"Hey and welcome to the short stuff I'm Josh and there's shock who knows where Jerry is but this is short stuff. So it doesn't matter because we can handle it ourselves with a little assist by our friend. Dave couse. Stain. Yeah. I don't think do we. We don't shout out Dave enough. Not Nearly enough as a matter of fact, just make this episode US talking about how Great Davis. Right the original black cowboy. That's right. But totally wrong. But it was a it was a decent attempt at a segue. Yes because we all know the original black cowboy was sheriff bartend blazing saddles. Yeah. I forgot about that movie that's a is that a good one I mean it's a classic it couldn't be made today. Sure. But you know written by Mel Brooks and the Great Richard. Pryor and think those one other writer. But yeah, they played that for comedy in that movie. But as it turns out, there were a lot of black cowboys in the United States in just don't see a bunch of movies and TV shows where they're represented Shaq Shaq but they I, mean there are some statistics that say. Twenty five percent or more of Al all cowboys. After the civil war in the wild west where these black men out there like how he stuff working hard roping cattle doing all the things that you see in the movies. Yeah like the idea from what I can tell from the research, is that the popular conception of cowboys and cowboy life and what cowboys did is fairly accurate but the the race of them in off that that the the just the fact that black people were not all represented among cowboys in the popularization of cowboy life. Back East is just that's the historical misunderstanding that apparently even before the civil war most black cowboys according to one historian of the American West, most of them most of the cowboys were black in that it was a job that was open to enslaved people basically and that if you were white, you didn't want to be known as a cowboy that. That job was potentially beneath you or whatever. Even though it was all about Bronco Busting, you know herding cattle and Lhasa Wing and stuff like that. All the stuff we think of with with cowboys today But that the that transition between being from something that may that was like beneath a a white guy out west to something that was a coveted title among white guys was when back East people started here about cowboys and say those that's cool. What a cool life, and then all of a sudden white guys were like Oh actually I I'm a cowboy now you can count me in. Yeah. I mean I think that that name at least according to this historian as racist in nature. because the the white workers wanted to be called cal punches or Callahan's. and. The black men were called cowboys and like you said once they once lor hit back east they they jumped on that cowboy train 'cause I guess that word took in it sounded cool. Yeah. The thing is I went and tried to corroborate that elsewhere because it makes sense if you take it from that standpoint that is actually cowboy actually has like a denigrating origin but I did not see that anywhere else and I couldn't find the difference between a cowhand and a cowboy. The are completely interchangeable from what I can tell definition wise. But I don't know maybe that just that at a molly got lost a history you know well, Larry Kelly's runs the Black Cowboy Museum Texas and Rosenberg. And we want to credit him with saying that since he's He's where we got it. Yep here. Larry here's the limb. Go out on. So the idea of by cowboys. Cowboys in general really kind of came out of this migration of southerners especially southern whites moving out West Texas for the chance for cheap land wide open spaces the promise of a new chance for a fortune because the south had had really become industrialized as far as agrarianism is concerned in Texas had a lot of opportunity especially if you're willing to push Spanish settlers and indigenous people from Mexico off of their land, you could really make make a name. For yourself in Texas, a lot of those white settlers brought enslaved people with them and they were the earliest black cowboys out there. Yeah. Because what happened was you know you're in Texas, you get roped into the confederacy and then these white people who moved out west co- back east to fight in the civil war they left the people that they enslave behind to keep the ranch going basically right and those that was sort of the beginning of the black cowboy movement. It really was what's interesting is that it was triggered by the civil war that that the civil war created that kind of niche and require in need sorry that need for cowboys of all stripes. But that they that typically fell to African Americans who who were doing this work while the whites were off fighting the war and then when the the war was over when. The the white confederates came back to Texas. They're like, Hey, I don't know if you heard or not, but we're free now. So you have to pay us for this work and because a lot of herds had been broken up loss, there was a lot of work to be done getting these herds back in order and getting Texas back up and running economy wise especially with cattle hurting. Yes. So maybe let's take a break and we'll talk about some of the more famous of these black cowboys right after this. Hey. Everybody. Today's episode is sponsored by the new Mazda C X thirty. 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So if you look at the history books in TV shows and movies, you hear a lot about. Wild Bill Hickok and any Oakley and all these sort of legendary wild west figures You don't hear as much about the black cowboys who were also legendary figures just in the same way like they would. You know some of them were bad guys who would shoot up a saloon and have a gunfight in the middle of the street at high noon. many of them obviously were just regular cowboys. He did hard work day and night rustling cattle some of them also chuck or even lawman to there was a guy named Bass Reeves who was the first? african-american Marshall US Marshal West of the Mississippi, and he had a thirty two year career and apparently was so morally unimpeachable that some people insists he was the the model for the. Lone. Ranger. Net. Crazy. It is. I have to tell you. I grew up on the lone ranger, the nineteen, eighty, two or three movie. Oh, the movie. Okay. Yeah. It inform my childhood is the TV show to a place that and everything that was a big time into the lone ranger. I. Watched that movie within the last couple of months it is one of the most boring movies I've ever seen in my life. Hold up does it I was like my parents must have been like what is wrong with this kid? This movie is just like watching paint dry. Five parts that are that are. Interesting and the rest is like just slowly stream together those parts is really weird and the the chemistry is like, Baking Soda and Baking Soda. Like, nobody has any. Like my it means that there's nothing hang. There's no reaction I. Tell You what I love about that movie is that that Color Blue of his outfit? It's The star of the movie basically. Yeah. Color of his hat to because it was white but it wasn't stark White House for this. White Yeah he had a tinge of badness to him. But I, guess not another famous black cowboy from back in the day was a man named bows I card He is in the hall of fame at the National Multicultural Western Heritage Museum, and Hall of Fame, God bless the people who founded that know and he was the right hand man to one Colonel Charles Goodnight. He was a big super successful cattleman in Texas and apparently if you've ever read or seen lonesome dove Larry mcmurtry. So sort of classic Western I never have the The character of Joshua defeats was based on him played by none other than Danny Glover who was not too old for that death. Who is what? He was not too old for that S. that's the big. Too Old for this s o those great joke. I'm sorry. Repeat it. That's all right. So there's another one named, Bill Pickett. who was a very famous Rodeo he he was one of the first african-american Rodeo men I guess and he invented the the sport of steer wrestling, which is where you ride up alongside a st year and growing by the horns and drag him to the ground us at least here it's really awful especially when you on you understand what he came up with just it's called bulldogging where is a technique that he would? Feel, the steer with pain by biting its lip and he was inspired by watching dogs, herd cattle. So he tried it himself. He's like this really works but. He was a genuine trailblazer in the Rodeo world and despite the fact that he was barred from competing in Rodeos even though he was among the best that Rodeos were segregated for very long time, and if you were an African American, Rodeo Cowboy you had to compete either late at night or early in the morning before the actual Rodeo started or else you might have your own rodeo altogether I mentioned outlaws. There was a man name I summer Isam Dart. he was an enslaved person who who went the other way and he was a horse thief like so many other horse thieves he would steal horses and cattle in Mexico drive across that big old Rio Grande River Selam off in Texas and like so many outlaws he was he was shot down by a hired gun in this case. Tom Horn. And I'm thinking of movies I think there have been a couple of movies where they. Did represent these black cowboys, but it always seemed like these movies were sort of A. Not, a trick but just kind of like a like stunt casting like you're GonNa make a movie with black cowboys how different instead of wealth is just like any other western because this is how it was exactly and I'm sure that they were all just left out of the history books because some oversight but I'm glad we're here correcting today. We're trying our best. There's also we would be very terribly remissed if we didn't mention the most famous black cowboy of all time one nate love known as Deadwood Dick and he's nat no, it's not I. SP- specifically saw in a couple of places in fight. Yeah. His name was he was born Daniel and I guess they just didn't feel like adding the which is significant because he was. taught to read and write despite being born enslaved has father taught him to read and write. So he was educated enough that he actually wrote his autobiography in one thousand, nine, hundred, nineteen, seven. I. I should have just kept it as nineteen seven that sounded kind of old timey but chuck I think you need to read everybody the the title and know that there is not single Colin founded. Yeah. It's life and adventures of Nat love and it's spelled NATO, in his. Autobiography Titus where it's nate. Well, I'm looking at the book cover. I. Know I'm telling you pronounced nate. Okay. But. There is no. I just want to point out to people. Live in adventures. Of Blank love better known in the cattle country as deadwood. Dick by himself colon a true history of slavery days life on the great cattle ranges and on the planes of the wild and Willey West based on facts and personal experiences by the author. There is a coal and I thought that was a semi colon. There's always a colon isn't there seems to be, but he was like you were describing like he would get in shootouts and he was kind of known as a abandoned her an outlaw in some circles but from what I can tell us just legitimate bona fide cowboy and he led a cowboy life like any other cowboy would fantastic. It really is fantastic. Very, very big self promoter like so many of those cowboys back then yeah for sure they say that they're not entirely certain where fact. Departs from fiction in his autobiography, but it's apparently a heck of a read. So go check it out. and I guess I said check it out, which means that that short stuff is out. It's out. Stuff you should know is production of iheartradio's how stuff works for more podcasts from iheartradio visit, the iheartradio APP apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story - Episode 12: Erin Hickok and Games for Humanity

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story

47:42 min | 1 year ago

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story - Episode 12: Erin Hickok and Games for Humanity

"Sex and the Sarah Rose Story. I'm Glen Klein Sara. What's your story? Hey Glen got an exciting story for today very happy to have with us a very special guest. One of my dearest oldest friends Aaron Haycock who is the creator of cards four humanity and her special deck. Which is my favorite. Let's talk about sex. Is the one that we play every week on the sex of the Sarah Rose Story and so we have airing here today to tell us her story and to play around cards with hers. So it's a really exciting day. It really is and. I'm very surprised at your favorite deck is. Let's talk about sex it's shocking. I know it's very very shocking. I mean I would have thought something like Five days as a non would be my favorite I thought it was gonna be let's talk about horticulture that's what that was was my guest horny. Culture horticulture is a very good for well without any further ADO Ladies and gentlemen please welcome to Saxon the Cerro Story. We know where we love her. We would not want to live without her. Aaron Hickok era. Hello Nice. Thanks for having me on today. I guess we're so excited. I love Aaron. So Air Ni-. We've been friends a long time but I'm really excited to share with fans who are also your friends your fans. I feel like they. They've already heard about you. They already love you but they want to hear more about Aaron Haycock in her story and cards for humanity story. So where does this begin? Oh well you know stat. I originally wasn't planning on creating a Games company I was living in Austin Texas as having my birthday party and I just wanted a better games. Clay than that other black and whites Game for horrible people is what their tagline and so I just made it and played it and had raising time with my friends and People started asking for more and more asking me to make it an actual debt. I did and then of course the let's talk about sex. That came along as well. Of course people were asking to have a little more open communication around sexuality. So that's cool. And how many years did you start this then It's been a five and a half years stance the idea like since the birthday party But it really. It took two years to for small decide. I was GONNA actually make it into a card debt and Play tested and fundraiser money. In order to do the first printing So it's it's been about three years since it's actually been in cringe and since then we actually created for different decks we we won a crowdfunding campaign so now all the decks have like really great packaging and we have like our own barcodes on that. Like super widget. We have more decks coming this year. Really excited about some big big stuff coming later on this year. What are the topics of the other? Ducks the original deck is called cards for connection. And that one if you notice the Rainbow Colors just like let's talk about sex snack. Those are based on the shockers and they just include cards for connection is more just like how to connect with each other in a way. That's really positive. Supportive of on creates more compassion. And then of course there's The let's talk about sex which is all about love relationships and sexuality and then we have two more decks the infinite glendening's deck which is just beautiful blessings for humanity and The last deck which is incredibly powerful action. Really excited you guys asked about it. That was called positive programming and that helps people You know if you've ever been kind of negative thoughts spiral Maybe feeling pretty dowd in have some negative thoughts in your head while I created a full deck of cards with positive thoughts. Not just like general like affirmations but really positive thoughts about the negative thoughts to help you accept what's happening right now to really come to terms create more forgiveness openness and acceptance in your own head is so that you can live the life that you were here to to live white like what would one be for example Will they? They're also based on. The shocker is so different. Each color has a different topic but an example the I'm open to the possibility of moving forward even though I don't know what that looks like right now. It's so cool stare. How did you end Aaron Meat? So should I think about that? Was it at authentic relating games or static. Dads I think it was. I think it was I at Authentic Relating Games When we first connected with each other that was way back in the beginning when I was starting to work on the cards projects on. I think I met you actually before I brought that to my birthday party. What kind of games? Authentic relating and. I think that would have been at least six years ago that I met you there. It's been wile So Yeah Authentic Relating Games are great. They were actually a really pivotal part of my growth in my openness Becoming just like more connective with people. The Sarah Rose that you all note today is definitely not always been this way. There was a point where a long period of my life where I was very very shut down and it was very difficult to be open and connects Authentically with people and Authentic Relating Games. Really helped me a lot with that. Met A lot of people in that community that I love to run into from time to time I was actually out dancing couple of weekends ago and in ran into somebody and it was just so happy to to make that connection again. What do you want to explain? More got authentic relating sure just for our listeners. It's possible that there's an authentic relating community near you and there's also some online versions but the basically is a group that is That needs help. People basically sharpened their social skills So really being able to open and connect with people from a place of honesty and understand how to use language in a way that where we own our own experience that our emotions are okay and that we speak in a way that's really accepting of other people and I'll say the same thing for you I wasn't always as open and expressed as I am and really authentic related. Games was a huge turning point for me and also a huge thing that inspired me creating the cards Because it's it's just such these are basic skills but people really need to know and it makes a huge difference in our lives when feel safe to express who we are so. I'm so glad that we've met in that place. And that it really for both of us. It's really moulded. A really shifted the trajectory that we've been on helps support us on our Aaron. Aaron you to you. We heard Sarah say that. She was not always open and she was shutdown. Why don't you let our listeners know a little bit about your story? How long have you been opened? Were you always open? Did you have a process as well? Yeah Definitely pretty shutdown particularly around my sexuality. I grew up in a cult. So a maybe not. A lot of people know this but isn't very strict Religion where like not only was I not the typical kind of religious stuff but also like I couldn't wear jewellery or make up. I couldn't wear pants. I couldn't watch television of so as very sheltered and protected growing up Which one was that? It doesn't have in name name Colt. Yes as they need. They need a branding experts. There that that particular call too. I think that is actually on brand for them You ask the people in the cult they will tell you Religion I mean. You can call it a new religion if you want to They'll save called the truth Which is really interesting. But it did honestly. It really contributed a lots myself. Because I have had this connection to source only talk about like Tundra and energetic things just like tapping it's a source of energy so much of that for me comes from that upbringing And it's been. It's been a journey of undoing all of that kind of programming and really discovering who I am In in my life and seven interested in personal growth and development. Since I was really young my mom had a lot of mental health issues and so I've been interested in that kind of stuff You know since I was in middle school I would say so. You know well over twenty years now Really Really Been Open. I guess that's probably in the past ten years I've really started opening up. You know I keep on getting more and more open so when I feel like I've actually there how how how did you do it? How did you get out get out of well? I removed myself from my environment so as soon as I could leave and go away for college I left and then I took jobs where I traveled a lot and I very specifically live far away from my family so that I can be. I've chosen my family here in Austin surround myself with people who are really expressed So that I can be myself and now when I go back and see my family I can still be myself around my family which. I don't think it would be as easy to do if I was living with them. Sir How much do you think? It is a factor that when people have had a repressive but say religious upbringing and then begin their freedom. Walk like you and Erin. You were actually drawn together. How much of a factor do you think that is? Oh yeah I mean like like minded people enjoy for sure it helps? It helps us. Somebody understands your journey and that's part of the power in an online coaching programs. I should man on fire. That has the Group. Coaching dynamic of it or even of interest relating. That's a group environment right because you have others around you. They get it. They understand the journey. That you're going through. You have supportive people around you and as uncomfortable as it may feel at first to open up and be vulnerable to others because many people come into that space in a very closed closed down shutdown way is it feels very challenging but the grows dynamic is is really powerful being able to connect with others. What percentage of clients that you've dealt with Sarah? Do you think have had a significant repressed upbringing. Repressed upbringing is part of Western society. It's part of the Judeo Christian influence that we have. It's part of Patriarchy That repression is just built into the system. So we have it to varying degrees but I think all of us have it to some degree or another You know in. It's really like one of the things that actually came up this week. In the man on fire group was L- What does the Liberation? What is supposed to look like right in his Tundra is liberation and I was talking to the guys about how this shadow work that we're doing bringing in these lost parts of themselves piece by piece is bringing them more into wholeness. Really that wholeness is liberation from from the self sabotage is liberation from Being the person that we think we should be instead a person that we really truly are. And how these guys they live their lives as you know the way they should be as Dad Dad. They should be the husband they should meet the man they should be. The Sunday should be all these things they should that that keep us from just being able to express in. It's a heavy burden to carry. Do you guys think that people that had more repression? Obviously you said because of the religious underpinnings of the history of our society. Everybody has a level of repression of course. And that's a really good point. But is there a direct proportion to people who are really repressed like Erin was and the level of freedom experience after they get out? Have you seen any correlation there? I'd I haven't seen any studies on this. I can't say one hundred percent in. Of course the people that come to me typically coming to me because they have some sort of repression that they're trying to become free from so my experience of it would be. Yes in the arid shaking her head saying. Yes as well Erin. Have you seen studies around as our you know? I haven't seen any studies but I have worked with people my entire life and I would say that it's kind of like a general. A pendulum swing if you think about like the like how energy moves that pendulum swings very hard when direction. It's GonNa Swing really far in the other direction And I think that's what gives us a greater capacity and I'm not basing this just on Repression as far as sexuality goes but also like in every area of life in all the ways that I've worked with people I think it's just a general principle that be just get not only a little bit more access like Pasadena because you have to kind of work you're going to but if you're coming from all the way over here if you swing pretty far. I think that pendulum metaphor is so pivotal in every area of life. It's it's so evident in society when we when you go from Patriarchy as Sarah. You're saying to a women's rights movement and then here comes me to the pendulum is going to have to swing because so far extreme for the entire breath of the history of the planet. Of course it's going to be a little bit man-hating for a little bit. The compared to the tens of thousands of years of recorded history of female and and women repression and suppression. This has been nothing but I think that people leaders that we do this all the time in this country I mean. How do you go from Barack Obama to Donald Trump? I mean it's just incredible. The Dad Aaron they had a metaphor of the pendulum is so important and people understanding just the ebbs and flows of life period. Let alone sexual. Yeah I agree. It's definitely helped me. Keep a calm perspective when I'm around other people and also knowing that when the pendulum swings really far in this direction knowing that it's coming back to the center and that it settling and I think this is true for individuals as well as like full groups of people is well. What's the biggest pendulum? You've had Sarah in your life recently in my life recently. I could name when I know one for sure just that you had a really relatively large media team so that was on one side where you really had a lack of personal conduct lack of control but certainly you had a lot of voices speaking into your effort and then the pendulum swing the other way. A little bit for example and. I think it's really come to center at this juncture. There's one do you agree God? Yeah that was huge. I mean I went from having a team of almost twenty. I'm working for me to deciding that I needed to take full control of the company in that Mitch letting go of all of them It so overnight I had to figure out all the back end of my company on my own was literally sink or swim and it was about three months there of just complete feeling like I was drowning in every moment. But I didn't and yeah you know here I am and I have a much better insight into what's going on to make company and A lot more feel more empowered get on calls with my business. Coaching Asked me questions I actually know the answers to? We got him to call this week. News ask ask me like all his stats about the company in the past and like I have no idea I didn't know what was going on. And he was like unit and I was able to answer every single question that he had for me and he was like you know how sexy it is when a woman knows her business is. She's like really empowered and running her business. He's like that's sexier than anything imposed on instagram. I won't go that far but it's pretty actually do when you were talking to your business coach and having all the stats and really taking charge of do you have like a big stogie big cigar smoking at the time. Now I just had to build I I see why would why would Bill Clinton have used a cigar? Monica Lewinsky. I wonder why just because it was available? I mean that does not seem like a very healthy thing to be putting up your snatch if you know what I'm saying don't you agree Erin? Don't you agree? I think people do all sorts of crazy things and a lot of it has to do with convenience. It's a very good point recently. Saw A meme on a a gay men instagram page. And it was the sky or is like all these vegetables that he's washing in the sea that are like covered and shit and he's like to wash vegetables before mom gets home to make dinner. It's always good to watch the vegetables before mom gets home. That's always good advice gentleman era. What's big old pendulum? Swing personally for you recently. You know I'll see bake things I've been working a lot on my business And I've been focused for the past three years going on tour promoting the cards Being on stage and like doing kind of performance stuff in the audience and I just recently have shifted. I'm about to launch a group coaching program. I've been a coach or consultants for over a decade a have twenty plus years of leadership development experience. And I just gotten away from it. I put all my focus on the cards and I was showcasing. That is showing up on their behalf. I just realized on towards the end of the year this past year that I really needed to shift shifted so that I was focusing on building. My business my personal brands and using the cards to support me. So that's been a huge huge ships for me Like I also work with a business coach working with the extra business coach right now to build my foundations and through that whole process like something. So amazing happened. This is headed like the center part of the pendulum. I've had incredible personal transformation just through shifting my life on those external things like where my focus is on my business all the sudden. There's all this focus on my own self care more than ever before my own personal health. It's really it's been still in the middle of it and it's it's really. It's been such a gift. You Have Been Coaching for twenty years. What you started when you were ten. Well I actually. I'm I'm forty so and I've been in leadership positions since I was very young But I had my first management position when I was sixteen. So that's twenty years in doing leadership development work. It's so cool. We usually don't do the show Sarah on a video chat. You were usually strictly out audio. I I hope the audio quality for you guys is good and and more acceptable. But it's great to see Eric could cheapie anymore full of light. I mean it's incredible. She is she's absolutely beautiful just glowing all the time. Do you want to know my secret? Yes yes please. So my secret is to do what I love like the key I think for humanity and why I do what I do is if our creativity. Our unique gifts in expression is unleashed in the world. This is what happens. You shine from the inside and it's a nobody can deny it and it's because I love what I do and I'm following my patch. I listen and I followed by A. That's that's what it is. It's not some sort of special cream you can't buy it in the store. It's like literally I listening to my heart at Expressing myself on doing what I'm here to do in the world and that's what it's the best is better than any face cream you could ever get like. I always say pleasure may true north. What do you what do you say though to men and women who here that c? You guys you are shining like the north star both of you all the time. What do you say to men and women who are stuck in a nine to five cubicle job and they were like Oh my God? I wish I could have that. These guys have been doing it for so long. But I'm just in the vicious cycle of life. What do you say to them? Say First and foremost not. Everyone does in a nine to five cubicle job. Find that to be vicious cycle. Some people really enjoy the security that they have there they like to have somebody else. Be The one and charge and in control then a conversation that Aaron I actually started have earlier. Today was around how you know running our business businesses. It's very difficult process. You know we have to wake up every single morning and we make it happen. We don't just show up to work. We are a work every single day and it never ends. So it's not like oh it's just all's magic and rainbows all the time you know. We're dealing with a lot on the business side that nobody sees on the you know the the front as face of the company. We don't promote that on instagram. Right like really cares. But it's there and it's the reality of our today. I'm so we yes. We are doing what we love. But it's not like it's just walk in the park all the time I would. I agree I just want to put out there. One more thing is that you can be living in your passion and you know working for someone else. Look it's totally fine. It's like we're talking about following your pleasure like what if the job that you're doing nine to five is something that is giving you pleasure or what is the job that you're doing ninety five could be giving you pleasure if you put your mindset around it in really showing up actively appreciating and valuing and like bringing in pleasure throughout your day in sharing that with other people like it's totally possible in a nine to five but if you know that you have something in your soul that needs your fulltime attention and you're feeling that right now than that's what call you forward and you know it's not like Sarah said it's not a walk in the heart. It is the journey that is so absolutely worth it to follow your heart to follow your bliss. Follow your pleasure and to show in the world and that way snow dot about it one of the things that I recommend to people who perhaps have families. Obviously there are people that do enjoy a nine to five is exactly what? Sarah said the security of it and even find great pleasure in that but there are people who are miserable. I would say we know statistically they've done studies now that sixty percent of Americans want to change their jobs but if they're being practical and responsible about their bills and their families etcetera start going towards your pleasure without having be an income and if an income is eventually realized from it once that income even comes close to what you're making your nine to five or that you're miserable and then you can flip. But in the meantime you can be pursuing and Having your pleasure be your north. Just like Sir Erin how about that? Yeah absolutely and also you know. It's always the internal work needs to be done first and foremost and if you're not happy with yourself you're not going to be happy regardless what job you have or what you're doing you life in so doing the internal work. You know getting in a program doing that on fire like really getting to know yourself. During this personal development work finding joy finding bliss finding peace inside of you and then from that place making choices in your life rather than just. I'm miserable and so I think a new job going to help because it's less likely notch like you you are you regardless of where you're at and it is true that we are are by the people that we hang around whether it be a worker socially but Erin the inner work cannot be overstated. Oh Yeah I mean. The personal growth and personal transformation is like that's where all starts years another thing I've had a lot of jobs in my life also and like people I mean. I've been a waitress. I've been a nanny like I had like like not exciting jobs right. But every single thing I've ever done in my life has set me up for where I'm at right now. And so grateful for that and no matter where anyone is out there on their path. It's just like look inside what you know what needs to change. What do you need to do in order to bring you know if not pleasure at least acceptance to this moment? I look back in my life and I've had the nanny jobs the waitressing jobs a in I actually like I remember those days. There was a sense. There is definitely some freedom there you know like. I knew how much money I was going to have a new hours. I was going to work and you know it was. There's some there's definitely like I look back on those days fondly thinking like well it was actually pretty fun. You know what? What restaurant did you work at? Sarah did you ever work at like I hop? We're here you know the cute I hop waitress uniform. Want to want to try to get a visual of this so no when I first moved to New York and I was modeling. I got a job at Times Square Times Square brewery. So yeah I was there in. I don't even like beer or drink. Beer hardly ever and I was waiting tables right there in the center of Times Square eye and of course everybody wanted a Window rate on the table and I was wearing met one of my best friends who I've been friends with forever now and she's like more assistance than anything. I so we were working there together. She had just moved from a to the states from Slovakia and hardly spoke any English so I was helping her learn English on the job and everybody would get US mixed up. They would think that we were the same person. And so we would sometimes kind of be Tricksters on people but but the best story is. I was working there. I remember The mets and the Yankees were in the subway series and the won the world series that year in that was super cool to be in Times Square when that happened. So lots of good memories. It's it's the Yankees won the subway series because of a match. The one there could have been riots throughout New York so that that's good. I remember that well. What about you? Air What what are some of the Cute stories or uniforms that you want a war throughout your life uniform. We ever made you ever wear the Nice French outfit or anything. No no actually. I wear way cuter stuff now than I ever did. In that I when I go on tour I travel and I wear this kind of Actually Big Sur GonNa put it in the note. There's a lack bruce ta and a Rainbow Skirt. I kind of like a Rainbow. Fairy godmother probably my best now deeper. That's that's a good visual. Well this has been the rendition of storytime with Sarah Ed arid on the Sarah Story so we have our ask. The professor mailbag Seidman Aaron and usually have several questions. But we want to. Just get to one because Finn from Santa Fe road is very appropriate question for the subject and then we want to play around of Cards for humanity. All Right Great. Okay so Professor offend from Santa Fe writes in and says dear. Sarah how can I move more quickly? And we'd through women and which ones are truly authentic and which ones are not so great way for both men and women to weed through people. First and foremost is to only give your attention to people that value your attention. So there are a lot of guys that a SI that will continually give her attention to women that don't value it and they're wanting the hot girl you know there's like a certain image of this woman that they that that's woman they want will they're never gonna be happy. That women is giving them the not valuing their attention and so men and women both be to start to realize their attention is valuable and only give attention to people that value it and that will cut out your cut down your weeding process pretty quickly if you start looking at people from that perspective that's awesome Coach Aaron anything to add to the professors comments Who Yeah absolutely. I would say being really clear about what you want and being able to ask questions to help you identify if those people meet those qualities and then it's kind of a fun process of getting to know people and just being there the right fit but the more clear you are the easier it is to see where to focus your attention on what both are professor and coach said here so much of this initially back and forth on bumble or whatever platform people are chatting back and forth on. I always tell my clients that if you're asking questions and they're answering and not asking you questions back. That's a really good sign the third. I don't big off that too because they're not interested in you like Sarah was talking about that shows right away. It's very easy to say. Well I've asked two or three questions. She or he has answered them and they haven't asked me one goddamn thing so I'm out. That's a good way and starts to realize that you are a high value person and live your life in that way you know only accept into your life those value you so awesome well before we get to full born the cards for humanity Erin what how people order it first of all? What's what's the best way to order it out. Well today's a really excellent day because tomorrow actually going live on Amazon With all the decks of cards an in particular We're pushing the original cards for connection that so think about like the. Let's talk about sex with spicy. This is like my get. You warmed up So you're ready for the spicy. Cut Adak if you just search cards for connection on Amazon it will take you a right to our page or you can go to my website games for humanity dot com and you can purchase all the decks and we also digital versions and a few other goodies on the website is though and also before we start playing. I have I would be loath not to ask. It'd be remiss not to ask you how having the last name Hitchcock shaped your experience made fun of a lot as a kid did. Did your and I had there was a a really intense moment. Where spelled my name wrong on an email address that they launched nationally? I've worked on a bunch of national campaigns. It was Aaron H H. C. O. C. K. A. Y. Gosh that was so embarrassing at the time to have that national published by name and my email address It may be may be able to deal with teasing and I think actually I really liked using now actually became a kink for you didn't it. I mean I prefer to be the what well no. I really being teased. Also yeah I think I would love to have the last name cock. They're cotton you do something about that. You're you're you you could give your middle name. Love loves cocktails. That's good well. Let's see what what could have been a worse Erin. Hickok is a fine first name but what it would have been a bad first. Name that for your folks who have given you Maybe like Lazy Hitchcock. That would not. That wouldn't have been so tiny tiny Haycock knickknack that would not have been the most effective. So so we're going to play a car serenity. Let's talk about sex and yeah and so would you like to to host since you are the host with the most well? Do you have the cards with you? Are Ready to grab them. Yeah why don't you grab some okay? I'll be back in one month. All right this is spontaneous sex and the Cerro Story. So how Sarah? How often do you in Aaron together as ask anymore? We used to see each other more often because we'd see each other often relating games and I used to host parties all the time and so I would see Aaron there in then we would also do ecstatic dance together But now I'm not doing authenticating. I'm not doing your exact aons. Not Hosting the parties. I'm just full on activation and so I don't. I don't get to see Aaron. That often thing is probably. When was your launch our urine or for cards for connection for my for my The one that was veto where he saw you laugh. Oh Yeah for the launch party or the so. That was a year and a half ago. I haven't seen Aaron in a year and a half. Well no I saw you at. Randy's when you had the party with all the women wasn't substance then. Oh that was a year ago. Yeah Okay. I think that a cars for humanity tantric activation conference in Tampa. Florida is needs to happen in the next twelve months. That's what I'm saying right now. Is that where you live is campus? Say That that's where I'm based. Yes now ladies and gentlemen it is time for Erin Hickox cards for humanity. Let's talk about sex eric. How many how many cards do you think we WANNA play? Well let's let's start with two and because we're up against the clock a little bit but but have a third one ready just in case we all right three rounds. I've got I've got all right. I just picked a card and the card is already out loud and then do you want me to answer. Would you be willing to answer? I how do you want do it? Erin your our guest I'll go I I I Okay I feel confidence in my relationships when Lanc also the thing that has me feel the most confident in my relationships I is very clear. Communication that is an absolute must The second is when I can really feel that resonates with me. I'm getting turned on. Just say quick when when when my partner is like really there with me and like has their attention all in that space. I definitely feel a lot more confident. And when we're just clear about our commitments are like what we want. What we don't want and we've communicated that those things have made feel really confident connection. I'll so for me. It's always having good sex. We're having a really amazing sex than I know that I can. I have something to work with. And if not an folly not gonna see that person again But I mean I like you only work on sex in it can get better and you can learn each other's bodies and all that has to be that initial like. Oh my God yes you know and it does not there than I have. I have a hard time moving forward. It's really important to me in the compatibility in all areas of life like I I really look at all areas of incompatibility before being willing to commit to a relationship and I won't even commit to a relationship until after I've been seeing somebody for at least four months so that way. I know like that. Initial just hype. Passion phase has kind of worn down and actually seeing the person more clearly seeing everything as it is and then at that point. It's like okay. Do we have do. We have alignment are we. Are we able to really move forward together? And at that point I so good. Why have you found four months to be the magic number? Because that is when a biologically does when the adrenaline Serotonin and dopamine levels start to settle down in between two people and they can. Those levels can last up to eighteen months but they usually last at least the first four months. Go during that time you don't you don't see a person clearly they don't see you clearly. It's like Nature's way of putting rose colored glasses on you so that way you'll just procreate in you have for survival of the species those good question by me. There was four months. It's very interesting. I hope you guys and gals out. There took note of that four months. That's the key right there. I would've said I would've three months but it's actually an an additional thirty days at at least and like I said it can be up to eighteen months. So what was the question? What was the question Erin? I feel confident in my relationships when blank. I am most confident in my relationships when the people I'm in relationships with our responsive in both sexually communicative Louis When there's a good flow of respond response to whether to whatever Stimuli coming into the relationship. Ooh that squadrons please. Now we're ready for another one. All right I would love stairs. Start with Oh I love with her and takes charge Right so something that turns me on is Blake. We did this question a couple of weeks pretty much. Everything wasn't there right. A lot of people are logging on for the first time so my answer has changed now. The same thing that was turning me on before. Yeah that's the that's the beauty of it. Tell me bad way turns your aunt so what turns me on rate now. Is God so many things? How can I pick one I got I want to have the most the most charge right now and Now would be Tari with this way. Don't you don't have to just pick one. Just go. Just go as well. You can have a list. Your question is most right it. Just it just said something that turns me on as we say some things that turn me on our friends beyond so. I'm really turned on by my Jade Egg. Practice right now It's really something that I've started up again and it's feeling really good. I'm feeling like just this internal joy bubble up from it And I've I've missed this practice. I kind of like having done for the last couple of years and so But it's really good like definitely feel like just this internal joy that comes up again when I'm working with the jade jade egg for those of you. That are familiar with it. Comes from the Taoist tradition. And it's actually a egg formed out of jade and you women can insert it Badgley early and do different exercises with it internally so I knew the up and down my badge. Now squeezing at different points Do like Yoni Yoga type stuff with it but I noticed right away when I'm using it just the difference in my mood. So also that's that's what's turning on moment beautiful again my listen. Yes for pleasure. How about you Glenn? What turn you on? Currently Aaron. The thought of an egg in Sarah's pussy hats how did how did I know you were GonNa say that? I'm not the only one around the world right now. They would say that it's something that always turns me on our people with great senses of humor that get humor and that don't take themselves so seriously they can enjoy The irony am the silliness of this life. That always a turn on for me. How about you you know something? That's been really turning me on lately is expressing. Mice sensuality Like in public places. I've taken to carrying a feather like an ostrich feather a rounded me like when I go to parties are like the farmers at like really like just normal places where people are in public and I'd like tickle myself. A little bit are like t's other people in play with them and it's like it's so sexy but also really innocence at the same time and I just love teething. People like that like the reaction. I get really really fun. That's Erin Hitchcock and the Sarah Rose Story and they're sticking to it.

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Episode 28: Sex and Money

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story

59:37 min | 1 year ago

Episode 28: Sex and Money

"Search! It Sex and Sarah rose. I'm Zeros and really quick. Before we get into this episode, I know you may have found my podcast his. You're looking for some interesting information about sex it listen to the will. You may not know that I actually work with a lot of men to help them tap into their inner Badass, have the sexual confidence that they've always desire to have and to know once and for all that she isn't faking it. I have two distinct programs to help men. The first is for men who are ready to take the first step towards igniting their powerful sexual energy in getting better in bed is called sex stallion training in. It's an online program for you to do on your own time in the privacy of your home without a partner. This is her men that are single in a relationship or dating people. The second is called man on fire, which is the only sex university just for men? This six month program is designed to help you become the ultimate sexual master for six months. You train with me in live online sessions. To be the best lover that she has ever had. If you want the sex secrets that every woman wish you knew and you wish that every woman had told you this is where finally revealed checkout more info at tantric activation, dot, com, or just check out. The show notes in the PODCAST APP. You're listening to this from now and there will be links therefore for you things and enjoy the show. It's sex and Sarah, rose and today we were talking about sex and money. Doesn't get much more exciting than that. And with me, today is Aaron Hickok Aaron. I'm so excited that we get to be here talking about this today. Yes. Yes, the answer I am fabulous I am so turned on by our topic I cannot believe we haven't done this yet. It's it is. It's something that feels. Super, super. For me in my world right now and so so. To get sexy with you one money. And just so everyone knows Erin. I just had a sexy money dance party before we got on here. It's so good to get you know moving. Exactly if you're feeling stagnant, turn on some music and get that body moving. A literally find that that is the best way just to get me out of a funk like if I'm feeling something that I just need to turn on some music, start dancing and just have fun in like shifts, my perspective, my attitude and everything so quickly. Yes absolutely a state. On by music I love to also seen to do. Mine would be the one saying myself in that really on lights up my whole body, too. Yeah, but. Would you like to sing? Gosh I'm mostly like to tone. And just kind of like home and sing in the background and like make. Sounds that are resonate with other sounds that are happening so? That's the but my creative singing, and then there's just. Singing! Along with the radio or singing songs that inspire me like in the shower or On typing. I like to jam out to Nikki Manashian Oleg every word of every song. He. Small spoke in. Taught In the of course Cardi B.'s money song is pretty hot. Out. Actually a few good songs on money's Zara. Larsson has one to think hers is called. I think it might just be called money also. It's a good one. affiliate there quite a quite a few good good money songs out there you can. Get into the mood with. I feel like I WANNA make money playlist on spotify Phil. That's a good idea. McCain shared one. I like that is eating into that omit yard. Peaking of money I do like just say a shout out. You Know I. Have Mike Deck, obviously the sexy? A play a lot I'm a friend through some work, and she has a financial money to Roh deck. That's about to come out or just come out, so I just WANNA. Give a shout out to that city, a little thing or notes I'm gonNA play test that since we're talking about money today. I wanNA like guys her cards. Because they are so beautiful. It's like a Toronto debt, but like for your finances Oh cool. That's awesome. Yeah the one way. What are we gonNA talk about today as I. Money Goes So I. Actually will talk about some things that actually want to lead you through a process today if you're okay with that. Do Lead Me Sarah. Improv. Okay when it comes to wealth consciousness. There are some myths about having own and or making lots of money. Some people think it's like this magical thing that some people just have you know like this magical the MIDAS touch type thing clearly it's it's not magical. Other people have kind of this idea that it's about being in alignment or doing good right like when I'm a good enough person when I'm doing good enough. Like then I'll be worthy or deserving to to make money in. Clearly, we see plenty of examples in the world where that is not the case and people are making plenty of money. Other people feel like the you'd like. They have all their their shit together in order to start making money or having lots of money like okay once once I get my life in order, then I'll be able to make a lot of money. And again we see plenty of people whose lives are not in order, and they are making tons of money so And other people feel like you know it's this worthiness thing like I've got a I'm not I'm not worthy enough like for whatever reason like my family limit lineage or the religion that I'm part of shames. Money things like that. Money is the root of all evil people here that taught in religion so like there's there's worthiness issues that some people have around it, and then there's the other people who think it's just about manifesting like Oh. Just you know I'm going to just imagine it as so, and it will happen like I will just somehow magically manifested in so these are some of the top myths that we see when it comes to the people how when it comes to having making money or having lots of money. But really what it is about is focus like you. If you WANNA make money, you've got to fucking focus hard lake. You can't take your eye off without like serious like nonstop. This is what I am intent on doing intent and growing my wealth exchanging value like if you have something of value that you can exchange for money, then like that, that's really important. You can't just expect. Make money if you have. Have something of value to offer an exchange being really dedicated a in your pursuit of wealth, and under knowing that you are deserving of having wealth in also having a mindset shift that is like an abundance style of mindset, and like allowing allowing wealth to come into your life. Many people released self sabotage when it comes to that so curious are these are these things that you've come across in your life? Oh my goodness. So much my heartfelt so sad when he talks about the worthiness piece. I see that so much. I've seen not so much in my own life in my family lineage, and in the clients that I work as well. The I just feel like a lot of sadness and grief around. Around, around that and I love. You talked about about like the midst like I definitely can see where those have played. A part in my money story I'm in my past and I really love what you were talking about. the solutions. Also! I think one of them that is the really stood out to me is an exchange of value I? Think that that's so important that a lot of people who I work with aren't super, clear. About what that looks like for themselves. I would say yeah. That's a big thing that I run across with people. Yeah definitely have you. Have, you heard of course the book thinking grow rich by Napoleon Hill, most you'll heard of, but chapter eleven is titled The mystery of Sex transmutation. Have you read that I have? Yes? Yeah, it's definitely it's such a great one in that he talks about. He says that this is the tenth step towards riches so like. Like, transmuting your sexual energy in order to create wealth in, so it's kind of this mystery thing. The many people have heard of, but they feel they think like. They don't really understand. They don't know how to actually tangibly go through. The process of doing this in contra is really cool, because it's a way like what Contra is, it is transmuting your sexual energy and one of those ways you can transmute. It is in two into wealth, creating wealth for your life in so I absolutely love chapter thinking Barich because like in the in that way. Napoleon Hill is like just like such a high thinker in late. Really understand understood these things because like. Sex Has Some some different potentials, there's eking out sex to create a baby. You can have sex to maintain your health because like really healthy to have sex. There's so many health benefits to it. You can use sex to transform what he says. Specifically is the transformation of mediocrity into genius, her transmutation, and so like imagine using your sexual energy to actually transform yourself from being mediocre into genius. That's what he's just is exactly what he says. Yeah! That's creative. Power that's it. Yes. Yeah movie through process going to help me do this more yeah. Fuck Ya! Ya I'm in. I'm Su- in. I Love I. Love doing this Kennedy thing, and that's really I mean I wanna say a second about energetics lake starting with. The flow space and the energetics thing is super powerful I think that's something that will discover as we move. More out of the slick forcing things and lake. There's a there's a way that I feel like we're evolving and that they'll be more of this like play and pleasure and. Bringing in more than energetics of things. will discover the got really is. The secret sauce basically. In making anything amazing. Like unleashing that creative genius that exists invite everyone. Yeah, it really does, and it's just like awakening that and bringing to consciousness you and. It is really. Tied in also with Maslow's hierarchy of needs raise so like you see that people who are just struggling to survive on either a level one level two of the hierarchy like they don't have this opportunity ahead of them like they don't have this in their lives. In so lake. It really is a thing where if we want society to thrive. We have got to be in a place where all humans are are like knowing that they're safe raid. They're not worried about where their food comes from. They're not worried about where they're going to sleep at night. They're not worried about domestic violence. Things like that like because when people are in those states, they cannot move into a level thriving. So like as a society if we really want to evolve. To to like move into a better place for humanity, those base level needs must be taken care of for all humans. Yes and Yes optimized humanity. Do it I like it like my great. Passion I and I. believe that creative expression is. Is like like. Humanity like when we are fully taking care of. That's when the solutions to the problems just. They arise and were. Blocked by all these. Things that are like resistance, but we can just be in the creative magic. Really. Amazing things are possible. Yes Oh you know when it comes to wealth creation like there's definitely I'm mind shifts that we can have to help us move in that direction in also like realizing the reality of the stuff. Is that it? It really is like level three, and beyond of the hierarchy of needs and so I feel like it's unfair to do something like this in just put a blanket statement out there like Oh. Anyone can can do this when the reality is like. If you're in fight or flight, because of like really severe situations in your life, then absolutely will be more difficult to to move into this area of. Of Your Life and so you know I don't want to be the person that's out there like Oh. Yeah, anyone can do this. And if you're not doing this, it's it's your own fault. Kind of thing you know like because there's people out there that the talk like that and I don't WanNa. Do that wouldn't be understanding of like some people. Situations are just really really tough, you know. It's good to remember to always go back to basics to the basic needs. Met Go back to basics and then like put on the special sauce. Right got creative. Turn on that creative juice? All right, let's do it ready. Yes, all so we're going to find out your current level of money. Conditioning Erin Hickok. Be Scared Land. Ever find out. That's actually, but that's a really good point that you bring up because if you think about it, like money is even more difficult to talk about often than sexes. Like telling people how much money is in your bank account is often more difficult than talking about how many times a month you have sex. Like? We have a lot of shit around like so much conditioning around money in very similar ways to sex, so it's a huge like it's really tantric to talk about our money situation because it's such a taboo area F society once again. It's like one of those areas society where you know you see the you know splashed all across the media as far as a WHO's making this much money and you know this. But like when it comes down to US personally like we really do have a lot of shame when it comes to to money talking about it. That at least in this moment. All right so close your eyes. And? Of course there's anything you don't want to. Say Aloud enforce. You don't have to, but. First, question is what amount of money with thrill you. Million Dollars? K. And, how much money would you want to make per year? The absolutely feel thrilled about. Refer me or for my company. for you. I'm excited to create one hundred thousand dollars or year. Yes Kit So now see yourself making that amount of money. What kind of home. What kind of clothes? What kind of car. Who would be around you? What would you be doing? Kinda stream-of-consciousness. So, it would be similar. To now I would have. There'd be more traveling and more team. In. My Day to day. There would also be regular. Rick featuring of different like positive things in the world lake, Lake giving philanthropy. Yeah, I'm so excited about about being able to support organizations. Are doing their good work. Oh Gosh. My closet is so organized in beautiful. Yeah Yeah I and I love beauty, so there's also there's more art. There's more art from local artists or artists around the world like people who really tap into the beauty of nature. My team is so valuable. Yeah there's four of us to work together on a regular basis like consistently, and it's amazing. The impact that were able to. Create in the world. My Gosh all like there's so much content may of. Away Gosh do we have to stop at a million dollars I? Have a call empire of entertainment ondeck. Need or one hundred thousand dollars I need more than the million, please. All right well. Let's start there so now. See Yourself having that amount of money in your bank account. Hundred thousand dollars a million a million dollars. Oh, yes, Oh, God, perfect Ra, we are immediately investing in in creating some animation series that both kids and adults will absolutely freaking love, so will have somebody work on creative directing that unlike building content. For that coordinating on that so stuff that's going. On and then Oh, my gosh, we are so easy to make all of the new card decks. It's so easy and fun. I just work with people either through the program or one at a time and just create an awesome new custom card deck for that organization or that movement or those people. We have so many amazing Cardak and so many amazing creators. That I just love how we we have travel retreats together which are led. I in in, self care. That are rooted in self care. Rooted in worthiness mindfulness like created in that way. And designed to. Create? OPTUM team collaboration opportunities Ansett the. To really focus. And create. Oh my gosh. There's going to be really awesome. Travel, really amazing people. Got Really get connected together and make really cruces together Oh. My Gosh I just love it I. Get all these amazing people and be on these shows. I meet Oprah Bra. Ellen? Fungi love it. Yes, it's all happening. All right so is closed seeing yourself having that amount of money in your bank account. Now notice how this feels in your body. Definitely you know you have excitement there. Is there anything else? Of the money in the bank account so noticing how it feels in your body are aside from the excitement. Is there anything else that you are registering anything that feels like a contraction of fear nervousness anxiety. Okay, so my awareness is are so first of all. I WANNA say that I'm heading myself with a fan of money. I know that was the year prescribed part of the practice, but I just couldn't help myself. We're getting there. We're getting. Yeah I'm I just want it? Yeah, about something. I'm noticing the thing that I'm noticing. That are different from like pretty myself in this space. Is that I feel less contraction around the team part like it feels more sure and more clear. I notice that there's like the practical pieces of it. That are there like along with the excitement of like? The Managing all of it, right? Like managing all the appointments with all the people taking care of all the systems, the doing all of that content on I noticed when I feel into that, if I feel with just me doing it feels heavy, but if I feel it with like a person like like having the person who's doing the. The like animated show. having somebody be in charge of bad. That feels like the sudden. That opens up for me. I am noticing one thing that I didn't talk about which I would like to talk about is also like my relationships and how that's. By money because there is some there is some tension in that of. The concern about. people really like me for me. Yeah. I noticed that piece in there. So let me ask you this. Do you believe that you can make this amount of money and be safe? To do. I believe I can be safe and make one million dollars. Can you make a million dollars and be safe? Most me says yes, but there's a little part of me. That's like no, that's not even an option and I need. You to not do that I can feel that little. Part of me that scared. Jay Do. You believe you can make this amount of money and be loved. Yes. I know I'll tell you can do me to say the tension that I feel not yeah I. I could feel that. Yeah, totally there's like it's a question also like Similar with the money is like it's like Mayan discernment of like who's best for me like the. People might think that they love me, but they're really like it's not. Sometimes, love isn't what people call of isn't actually love. Can Do. You feel that you can make a million dollars in be connected and belong. that. Feels so good in my body. That one went straight down to my sacral Yeah I can. Definitely, that's actually one of the best things about it. Also my pathway of making money. Yeah, it makes eighty action and belonging. It's like yeah, let's make more bad. Awesome. So imagine yourself making a million dollars and seal it as real as possible in your body. And if you get a positive experience in your body, such as pleasure or excitement or yes. Feel you can be safe and habit loved and have it. You can be connected. Inhabit. Turn all of that and having all of that together. Means that you've cleared the conditioning and your mindset. Your money mind says ready to go. So if like there were a little bit of contractions there, so it'll bit around being safe. Being loved then were so around those we're going to start to find the limiting conditioning around having that amount of money so that way we can go in and start busting IT A. At a pretty good job, all ready of finding your money limitations like acknowledging where they are and what they are. so that is actually a really big. First step, and because as long as it's subconscious. You're not going to be able to do anything about it. In most of us don't have any idea what belief systems we have. Control us so when you bring it into your conscious than that's actually a huge first step, so you've done the APP. In now we want to love these money limitations that they that you have in. See them for what they are so. In regards to feeling safe to having a million dollars in feeling, being completely safe. Where inside of your body do you feel about limitation? In my solar plexus. So in tell me again. What was that limitation when it comes to safety? It's something like Like know like people attack me or Yeah something along those lines like like feels like a like a physical. Threat more like more like a primal kind of thing so feeling, your solar flex flexes. Why are the sensations that you feel they're? A blocked ness like A. A, stop or like a don't go. Yeah, it's like resistance it. It's like it's like it, doesn't it? Doesn't it's more on the bottom half of my body? Does it feel like a contraction? Does it feel like numbness? Does it like sensation wise? What are you feeling? You almost. The sensation solar plexus as in my body, but the going down the front of my body is almost like if there's like a block like literally like A. Kind of a cube. or a rectangle ish cube. Like in front of the lower half of my body, like it's almost like a to like jump over something. Okay so can you? Can you connect with that part of yourself? Can you actually in body that piece of you? The piece in front of me or my solar plexus. Whichever one, you feel most present, too. So like make your sense of I one with that piece of you. Okay now can you Azkit? It wants. Like a shield of safety and the shield of safety seems to be peeling people. Like more people to surround. To feel safer. Can In, can you ask you what it needs? To keep going. To keep moving forward. And so like it wants to keep moving forward like. In this place in your life. Yeah. It's like it wants to jump over this kind of hurdle thing and keep going to the next one in like the next thing in the next thing wants to. Wants to move. Is there any sounds that wants to make. Low Tones Can you like let it make those sounds and let it move in your body. Sometimes you may feel a sensation like wanting to puke it up or hacker caused. Joke it up, I have had that at had released severe ones like that. This is energy moving. It's for me right now. It's more just like going out through my legs like through into the floor room. Like more of a wash down. kind of energy. How are you feeling with a now? All. My thought. My thought is to is. What I'm noticing most is like my desire to move forward. Like, if you. Want to walk. Okay. I am the sensation of not being able to be loved to have a million dollars and beloved one feel that in your body. My back. Can How many have we talked about me? Being a burp area, no nice one. I'm. Suining Move Energy I burke along. Apologize for it. Yeah no, that's A. that's a common common thing for sure. Absolutely. On and I have a lot of sensation. For sure. I definitely yawn. That's a big one for me. Some people get Hiccup Stu. Yeah. I want to refocus, so it's to the part of me that that doesn't feel it. You can be a million dollars and beloved. KFC feel that in your back. It just feels heavy. remedied feels like discernment. Clarity. So feels heavy. Can you embody that part of yourself the heaviness though sensations and actually go in there. And ask you what it wants. To Be loved? What does it need? Devotion. and. What is its purpose? To the the heaviness there, its purpose is growth. Whereas keeping you from your growth, it's to. It's to perpetuate growth. Gets A. IT'S LIKE A. It's to make a space where growth is needed noticeable. So. Come back into your sense of I being Aaron again. In, can you love that part of yourself unconditionally? Yes. Instill Yourself, scoop it up and hold it in. Just give all the love that it needs. Your idea feels like Yeah feels like looking at a little kid or like a puppy or something. Like super sweet like Oh! Gosh you are just so loud. So held so cared for your so precious. So. Now with. Are you feeling good there? Yes, okay, and as far as the the safety Harry feeling there. There's dislike I can go into the little part of it, but in the. Overall impact on greater system is. just like a call to. Like adult myself. Lake be responsible for the these different parts in like. Listen. Listen to them and think in consider like the big. Thing that we tapped in earlier like all the excitement and like. Is it worth holding on to this thing? Is it worth moving through it like? Do we think we can do not? It's like speaking to myself with Lega, sweetness and kindness. So the positive sensations that you're feeling the excitement. Can you tap back into those and hold those? Gosh. She has so much. So from that place you're going to begin to associate pleasure and goodness with money. Secundo, ecstatic pleasure dancing, you can be naked, touching your body, being supercharged and ecstatic about making it that amount of money that you WANNA. Make or you can get as much money as you possibly can can spread it all over your bed, and how orgasms on top of it so right now. How do you feel about doing like ecstatic pleasure, dancing labor, just being really charged up excited. You have your money there that you can rub on your body. How does that feel I'm already? In my chair already rubbing money on mine yet, body money that I've been waited with. Like essential oils. an. Fanning it like. All over me and I'm wiggling. Dancing in my chair. It up and dance a little bit to get up and dance do it. So as you do that, I just talk a little bit. Sexual pleasure is like the greatest pleasure ray. It's like one the greatest pleasures that we can have is humans so associating your sexual pleasure with money is going to accelerate your money programming. So that's why when let's why we want to associated like the ecstatic pleasure dancing naked while touch your body or like. On money having orgasms on top of it, so that way we have these like positive pleasure. Associations combined with our idea programming around money. and. The idea is to like. Bring your mind from this point. Bring your mind to a high vibrational state. You can use sex magic which we've talked about before. While being in the five senses reality around the amount of money that you want to make so when you're doing sex magic like it's a very specific practice that lead people through in the man on fire, Programmer, private coaching, but like this is the we go through this work that you just did is like the precursor to it so that way they can clear the blocks it. They have around it and really feel an alignment when they're doing the sex magic so. What tends to happen is then after after doing practice like this and after doing the sex magic. Then you'll start to come up with ideas. You'll be inspired to take action towards the exact direction that you need to take in order to make that amount of money, so it's It's just a way of like seating implanting into your primal brain and getting the three parts of your brain in alignment so that we can begin to. Create the life that you desire to have because if you're just thinking about it in your Cortex, you know I want a million dollars. If you have these limitations in your sub conscious and your unconscious, then you'll continually self sabotage and not allow yourself to move into that. You still a rubbing money on your body and dancing. Can't wait for Aaron to come back on the show in six months, and like the image be like her. Her Bank account at a million dollars. Right I have been in all honesty. I really have been focusing on. Rye Wealth and cross therapy and what that does look like in my life and living. My greatest joy. On that celebrates. Elegance like my highest creativity an optimum. For everybody on the planet, the maximum potential that I have. and. This is really fine like my my plans. This year are definitely great, one hundred thousand dollars. Personally with A. Ninety end, but being in this million dollar. By. By it's got me, so jazzed up feels like there's an ease in. It feels really. Yummy! I am excited to see. where I'm in six months late, let's definitely revisit asylum. I will say like my personal experience around. This has been that having a coach to help guide you in that direction is really. Really helpful so like. When I hired a business coach, my entire business shifted and Yamaha to take a leap of faith when it came to doing that. Because coaches are expensive, but it completely transformed everything you know, and so did this work here got my My own internal limitations taken care of. started believing in myself as being worthy and deserving of that you know, and then it just began moving towards it in the practical physical reality as well and you know that was finding the right coach for me doing every every single thing. He told me to do and like being really proactive, so it's not magical thinking you absolutely have to work, and you have to work really hard, but especially when you're like. Doing something in the world that's like creating a positive impact like why the fuck not like. Why should I my company not make a lot of money creating positive change in the World Fray Lake for my company, literally, every dollar that comes in goes back into the business to like to just continue reaching more people expanding the programs, making things better for the people in my programs and like I, feel a hundred. Hundred percent deserving of every single dollar that comes in because I know the positive impact that I'm making in the world, and that was really exciting. You know it's like it's awesome to to just be fully in alignment with making money, because it's definitely not something that I've always had like a really did have limitations around that before or like not feeling like I was worthy lake. I have enough to offer or. I should just do what I'm doing for. Free things like that in his like. If I was, it'd be really limited the scale that I can reach people on in like now knowing that. Like when when I'm selling to people a product, it's like. My services it's. Is Literally things you can completely transform their life in like just feeling so good about that in my body and no contraction, no fear just in my power around it. In, just goes to show like how how powerful these this type of work really is. Transforming shifting the patterns inside of our brains. This is such her role and important work. I love the way that. We're bringing the. We're bringing the sexy and the play and the pleasure. But it is also serious like it's. It's a serious FANIA. You. To really step into our power until live in the world like using our voice and like creating. Creating in a way that the someone can be really really generous like that's something that moves me forward is being really generous with money philanthropic. Knowing where to invest it and to? Be Able to trust myself in enough to know that I have discernment. To. To do that to be responsible for that. Yes you do. I can't I can't wait to see how your a you're you're you're vibrator? Tracker tracks your I your money sex magic practices. I know, should actually. Start doing that I have been doing so I do I do spells with so closure. Definitely some around. I haven't been doing a million dollars I've been doing a different number. that I'm calling in specifically on a love what you said about natural being just inspired to take action that has been happening with me. That's really the big thing about me. Realizing like oh I really wanted to make a lot of gains on a partner with people and find like the people to make when new ones and like really focus on that, and that came out of a money like a sexy money. Focus. I was supposed to tell you about the. The the dream that I had. Oh, yeah, tell me. Oh Oh good. Okay, so this is good. We have just waiting to I. Love doing this kind of work and I've been really focused in this past year of understanding, my own value in like giving value in the world on Howley Bruce Evening. Value to build a team is so important. In. It's because I've been doing this like prosperity. Working a lot of it has been around sex. Sex Magic kind of stuff that we talked about like the feeling of it and so I was doing these meditations about like we'll. What would like if money? Was your logger. Like. Would money want to have sex with you? Right. Wow WHOA. Wow And it was so I I was like meditating on this. Like how many more have sex? And I had this like super powerful vision now is meditating about. These money lovers. Multiple of them and they were all a different amounts of money. and. It was like a money or G. Lake with me and these like. Beings of money, but the things it was happening. like they were it was Kinda like bodies made of money? But each of them were like resources. They were like a partnership. They wanted to be with me for a particular thing. Almost like having like a child like that kind of energy, but like I was like a partnership like four make like making this this thing happen or this thing happened. It was like is really I mean it was super, sexy and hot 'cause it was like. Four way with money. Men. Music like made of money. Going to be like my next fantasy, a sex date with myself. I recommend it. Oh, man, because we been seeing. Was that yet? Each of that we were. In the exchange. It was like us saying what we wanted. The thing to be like money really did want to be my lover. Money was like. Yes, you are what? You're a vessel for the creation in the world. Not. Only do we want to have sex with you, we, WanNa like endow you with. Way Energy and power to create. Like in move that like move back through my system all-news like it was like an honor, wow! Nice. I bet those things are happening now. So I'm excited about this deck that you're talking about. Does they have questions, or how do we? How do we play this one today? Oh the So I? Don't have my friends money back with me. A second, Oh, okay. Yeah? She's like she's about to Iraq already purchased it. But it hasn't arrived yet, but I can get in the show. To find out more about that. I would like yeah I would love to do. To make money as like definitely. So fat happens. Your link will include that at that time, but I think today I've got my got my regular. Let's talk about sex that. I'm always personal programming since we've been talking about like redoing our mindset. I want some sexy rate mill gosh okay. Let's do it. But I tell you this went speaking of new DAX. This is the one that I want to make new cards with people like make a whole new deck. So! This one is the one that we're going to sell out the sexy deck intimacy day on Amazon. And we're going to. Create a new volume. Also so more questions. Yeah, so if anybody at anybody goes the sexy summer seller on Amazon. And this'll be. The show notes to You'll get invited to play testing advance, so you'll get some tickets for yourself and some friends at school. That's funny. Yeah Yeah Yeah. You get to be like in on the process behind the. And help us create a volume to. Some. The now. Right so I've got the deck open and I'm just resting in. Do. You have a favorite color. Weren't today Sarah's? Purple came up. Her. Lou The one that came up the card that came up is my sexuality has taught me blank. My sexuality has taught me my power. Actually remember being a lake. Twenty. Four years old or something and I. Remember this man who? Was a part of the family and he. The part of like part of the family through marriage and so it wasn't like blood relation, but he says to me and he was. He was like late eighty s probably. Look to me when day and he said. He would call me case off. He said case. You're sitting on the power of the world right now, and you don't even know it. And I really didn't I did not. I didn't know it at that point like it was really shut down sexually and. No I was probably younger than to four is more like. Twenty two yeah. Lake really disconnected from my sexuality, very judgmental sexuality, and like I didn't know like I didn't even know what he meant and. He was right on. You know our sexuality is the ultimate power, and like when you're really tapped into that when you really know it and fully experience powering your body. You can do anything. It's incredible in, so my thought is what my sexuality has has taught me shown me. Wow. How about. My. My sexuality has taught me. Like my my playfulness. My. My ability to communicate. My mic devotion to releasing trauma. And Yeah, my access to creativity. Uniform. Do More. Yes all right one more. Okay. We've got an orange one. Something that turns me on is blank. Should I go I? Go for. Something that turns me on is. Oh my Gosh I. Love Anticipation and teasing. Oh my Gosh I love so much like my ideal. Lake, sexy turned on day would be lake like sexy text messages like all day long. and. Then going out to burlesque show, fun like like Suber sexy cheesy. Like for the whole day, and then even like for a week in advance like just like building up to an says the patient. What turns me on. Is that what it was? Something that turns me on deters. VEON is making lots of money. On that note that's sex in money. Paid Saragan things are listening. Make sure you check out the links and the show notes for everything. We discussed in this episode and you can also find out about how you can work with me until next time lovers.

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Episode 33: Power Sex

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story

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Episode 33: Power Sex

"Which? It Sex and Sarah rose. I'm Zeros and really quick before we get into this episode I. Know You may have found my podcast his. You're looking for some interesting information about sex. Listen to the will. You may not know that I actually work with a lot of men to help them tap into their inner bass, have the sexual confidence that they've always desire to have and to know once and for all that she isn't making it. I have two distinct programs to help men. The first is for men who are ready to take the first step towards their powerful sexual energy in getting better in bed. It's called sex stallion training in. It's an online program for you to do on your own time in the privacy of your home without a partner. This is her men that are single in a relationship or dating people. The second is called man on fire, which is the only sex university just for men this six month program designed to help you become the ultimate sexual master for six months. You train with me in live online sessions. Needs to be the best lover that she has ever had. If you want the sex secrets that every woman wish you knew and you wish that every woman had told you this is where finally revealed checkout more Info at Contra. dot, com, or just check out the show notes in the PODCAST, APP you're listening to this from now, and there will be links therefore for you things and enjoy the show. It's sex and Sarah Rose and today we're talking about. Hours X in with me. Today is Aaron. Aaron in way guide like when I have to go two weeks without being on a podcast with you I like I am just missing part of me. I missed you, too. Sarah rose. We have a projection relationship. I'm still myself. Won't do and I love being with you feeling. I might be a better version of me with you. I know better version of me with you Erin. I do have so much fun with you Sarah I'm. So excited for today's topic and we connect with you. You know two weeks a longtime in the world as it is right now. Yes, it really is so. I have a question for you Yes. Only what are you wearing? ooh. I'm so glad that you asks. I am wearing my very favorite piece of lingerie. I put it on today because I have a special. Show this afternoon. And so I thought I'd get dressed up a little bit early in. Be Pretty sexy for call. In, what is it like? It is black and it's got these beautiful. Blue embroidered flowers. And it's got these gorgeous blue air like Like extra bands like ribbons across the cleavage. They like. They kind of like snappy to my column. Snabel a little bit. Never Matching panty set, which has little Garter straps on it in that same beautiful blue embroidery pattern on that site. And Hall? Can't tease with a high highways. uh-huh little bit like old fashioned. Maybe it's like Betty Page for instance. So he was actually thinking just now. Your Hakima that I'm like do I even have any lingerie and. Do. The weird shirt. I, mean in this environment is not like I wear lingerie every day, but when I do like I really liked to wear. I re I really likes to wear nice lingerie and for me. Fitting is a big thing. I had to find a specialty store that held more sizes than like your average. Your average store because I have a pretty large cup, size and small. band size so he now. If you ever want to go lingerie shopping Erez, I know just where to bring you. I'm here in Austin Oh. Yeah, we'll yeah, we'll definitely. Visit because they have quite the selection. Yelich aged. Put that kind of thing on for a photo, shoot or something, but for my everyday like what my thing is. There's a brand called hanky-panky that makes thongs familiar with it. I think so I fucking love him and like I will buy like five pairs a month. Like every single one they have I will buy in. They come out with all these fun patterns and a so. I just have this whole drawer full of Hanky Panky thongs. And they're all lacey and I. Just love how they did so I. Guess it's just like that's May may sexy thing in. I don't. thongs totally out as lingerie ferrous. Okay I guess Martini Lingerie empty like the whole outfit. I. Don't usually wear bras so like. I'm not so big justed that I need to so like at the top. You know broad type part of. It isn't something that I'm like you know and then. Launch A ray. I'm considering the whole Lake Slip, and you know the whole cow. Yeah well I like to. I like a silk robe is probably one of my most used lingerie items. I have this beautiful. Like A. Magenta. Silk Robe with Cherry Blossoms on it and I use that every day and it is like lingerie But it's just not as tight fitting and stuck my most used. If that's saying that you don't have yet. Man I highly recommend that feel so sexy on the skin. They have these little cotton shorts that my ass hangs out of. That's typically where every day. That sounds very. It's a good reminder like every time a catch. Like a glimpse of myself mirrors and things like. Make sure you work out today. and. Housing, those little shorts baggage, but in their workout. Love working out anyway. It's like way favorite thing to do. It just has such clarity of mind. You know like you jus- clears out all stress in problems that I'm having all like. When I'm working out and come up with solutions. It's probably my favorite thing to do. It's one of the best parts of my day. I mean it's just like you to stop doing all the other things in that something about engaging the body that just yet has the minds kind of do whatever processing it needs to do. You know because I stop thinking about it and focused on my body and my breath, and then sure enough like every time. I started riding my bike this week. And every night after I, ride my bike. Have another another just wish of ideas on. Things come through like you said. Yes. So power. It was actually working with the blood of private client yesterday, a female private client and we were talking about sounding, and because it's when it's like so powerful for people to let their body express sound and. She was having a lot of difficulty with that, in which is very common with somebody isn't. Experienced with it, it's just it's a part of that. We typically shutdown and we're just like. Why would it make sounds like that you know? Because we're so quotes civilized in like in a civilized culture, you don't just makes strange sounds. It's actually super healing and. Releases a lot of tension and can help move trauma through the body things like that, and so we were, we were talking and I was like demonstrating Collie like the power of Collie and the tongue hanging out and I was like you know who Collie is. She's like no. Now, you do. Those listening Collie is a tantric God is and she's a goddess of destruction she is. Often symbolized with her tongue hanging out. With a swords in her in her hands and early hanging on. The other hand holding hair from the head of the person she. Could head off for the the the demand or whatever it is, she's cutting heads off of. She has a necklace of skulls. She wears around her neck and it's it's just like I said symbolic of destruction, destroying that which no longer serves us destroying that which is holding us back so that way we can move into creation mode and create who we are meant to be like. Move into the next. The next version of ourselves so lake, but she's very very very fierce and. So when I think of power like often I think of Kali like that just intrinsic power that is so. Just like wiping the slate clean I love I. Love Cali and even when you talk about it like I can feel my voice lower, and like my embodiment like this. Aaron Hickok knows how to sound. A big surprise, right it takes some practice, but oh yeah, move that energy to the body, ninety trauma work, also healing and trauma work in the exhale Hail, the sounding the out breath doing that with a relaxed draw and making noise. Is Your Yeah, it is incredibly healing. Incredibly healing, and there's so much is because we're talking about. Kali. There's so much anger and rage underneath the service of people's emotions. That is that what that is so fine to move because you get you get so much power from it. Yes, you do. A power, sexual power, personal power, external power internal power, what is power in how we create more of it? And why is it so valuable to have so when you look at power, typically way that it's been expressed in the world is external power which is. Often very ego type power like I'm going to make. This much money or to run this type of business or I'm GonNa achieve this status because it says something about me. Whereas internal power is knowing who you are cultivating within yourself Just a wholeness sovereignty leg being so complete inside that you don't have fragmented parts of yourself that are disempowering you. And from that place of internal power. Truly knowing who you are truly knowing what your desires are, your deep deep deep desires, not surface desires, not condition desires desires at the world tells you that you should be desiring, but your own truth, your desires place of truth in like. From they're projecting those outward creating moving moving powerfully in the world to create and explore, and and live the life that you desire to live in, so it's a it's a much different experience of power when it's coming from an internal place. Funded outward rather than this external. Power. That's often covering like fragile ego insecurities things like that. But then would comes up. Is How do you know weight you desire like? How do you even it to that place? Because most of us have so much I'm? so much in our life like we just been disconnected from what we truly want, who we truly are an. We've just been press. We've been told that in order to be a who we really are. We won't belong. We won't be loved. We won't be safe and so really knowing what our desires is is actually like one of the first steps, because if you're going to have alignment between your internal power and your. POWER DOTS, the ultimate goal like if you can be incongruence internally and externally they. That's really fucking amazing, because you can do so much in the world. But how do you even know? What you really desire so. And actually if you're cool with Aaron I would lead you through a little process right now. Would love that I would love that yes then. All right so this is just a very very simple practice, but it's really effective, so I'm GonNa do is I'm going to ask you. What are your deepest desires? What do you really want and just let it bubble up? Let it just come to surface whatever it is. Don't think about it. Don't you know filter anything and I'm just going to keep asking that every time you come to a natural pause I'll just ask you again, cool. Yes and how long do we do this for a few minutes? Okay I'm going. Say A lot of staff. I have a lot of desire. Good! Good. Okay. What are your deepest desires? My deepest desires are to partner with people and Meek. NEW CARDS FOR CONNECTION Games. My. Deepest desires are two. Oh artsy are to meet someone who I can build a powerful in deep lasting partnership with. Deepest Desire! Are. are to travel to different places all over the world and really spend a lot of time broad. My. Deepest desires are to. Travel in a mobile media home like a little elegant van on wheels and travel and meet people all over the country. Who are doing amazing things. What are your desires? I definitely have a lot of desire for very passionate connected sexual experiences. Wait deepest desire. is to I. Really Love Be unstaged. I love to be unstaged more. you know speaking about the things that I care about that I'm passionate about. My deepest desire is to. How people amplify their missions in the world and help unleash creative expression in humanity and waste genius. is inside of US naturally. Deeply Desire is to. is to make more games for transformation and growth. May deepest desire is to be disruption in the entertainment industry. And the education industry and healthcare industries. To Create Games and healing. Does that feel as it feel this it. My heart is like has accelerated. Feel like lightheaded like excited the end. And this and this and this. I like a little like a little bit like a little kid like who? Who wants to play. Love your playful spirit. Thank you. Extra this week because of riding the bikes. Took me back to being a little kid, and like going to see the neighbors and stuff so. A Couple things to look at and when it comes to living in empowered, life is shoe. Have desire into be willing to know what you desire and white. You want in like so often we. Don't accept. We don't allow ourselves to desire. We think there's something wrong with desire. There's a lot of a spiritual religious traditions out here that have shamed desire and told us that it's not okay that we need to push away our desires, but that's not. That's not in our nature, like it is in our nature to have desire, and when you're like really honest about your desires. Desires and like no yourself truly and have done like personal development work to create this healthy ecology inside a living from that place fulfilling pursuing your desires from there is such a powerful way to live, and it's also a powerful way to have sex, because when you're having sags from that place of internal power internal confidence they. That's the type of sites that is so just. It's it's satisfying, but it's like beyond that it just like this is experience of sex that they can be really transcendent and expansive, because like you're not needing something from the sex, you're not trying to take something from the sex or using sex for something I. It's just this It's it's an amazing place to be and when you have two people together that are that are in that that frame of mind lake. It's really really incredibly powerful. So when I'm talking about power sex like that's what I'm talking about like from this, please of internal power that you've cultivated. Having sex from there and There's a really amazing contra teacher. Her name is Margot A-nond and She says it. Tundra is being desire airless at the height of desire. In a really love that, it's such a beautiful way that she phrases it, and it really is true about Contra, because like Tanya is is like moving fully in the direction of your desires, not being ashamed of having desires like fully owning them, saying Yes to pleasure sin yes your desires. And then like in that state of saying yes to it all just fueling the filling fulfilled feeling satisfied, you know being there in in that space present with it all and there is like a sense of desire looseness when you're in that that state. That feels so yummy to me like the power lift. We're talking about power. That's such a paradox. And I've I've definitely found that those places where? where it's like two opposite things are true. At the same time. There's usually a lot of juice in that and especially around Desire Sarah Rose I feel like so many of us. has shut down. That part of ourselves The I'm so glad that we're talking about this. Both in our lives of like empowering ourselves to ask for what we want in our lives, and then in our sex lives. He imagine how many people out there that could could create a huge shift in their sex. Life was just this one tool being more clear about asking for what we want. And the practice each is dead, I mean you're definitely tapped into your desires, and so I was you just rip Mary Organic for you, so many people are not though like they're very disconnected from their desires, and they don't really know what their true desires are is. That we can be false. Desires can be conditioned desires, but the by asking that question, and this is practice. People can do on their own they can. Just you know have a weekly time, were they? They sit down just like what are my deepest desires, and just let that bubble up and so really come into clarity around that and start moving towards it in alignment with your original estimates. I think that's the recipe for expansion right there because if we get our. Kids and our outside going in the same direction. Like thinking about how often you know our inside outside. Don't -magine take steps forward in two steps back and it's just. But just heating in the alignment and then the magic that can happen. When we when we get out of our own way, really. Exactly. That's a big part of it. The self sabotage like getting out of our own way. Yeah I mean for myself in my business. There's like a way that it's like maybe I wouldn't call it like sabotage with there's a way where it's like I wasn't ready for all of the business growth that was coming to me. You know all at once, and so it's like it's just like taking forward steps and learning like bit by Bay, and sometimes like re learning something and then yeah, and then also discovering places where it's like Oh, you know I'm holding myself back here and like creating shifts around that. Continuing to just allow more and more. Power! Power I think it's like alignment. Right Oh, yeah, definitely -ment is power and thoughts. One is the most profound changes that I've experienced in my own life since Practicing Tundra is how. How much power I was disconnected from like how much am I? Power I had given away or You've just wasn't owning and through tantric practices reclaiming those parts of myself having boundaries, not letting people take my power, I not disowning parts myself because of shame or Yo, just cultural conditioning societal stuff Aye Yai there's there's so many ways a society wants to tell us that we are wrong. That were not enough and most of the time we believe it. Oh okay, yeah, you must be right or or we we we chose to. In almost forced way. Believe in in order to feel safe in order she belong in to feel loved, and but at what cost ray of like no longer having this e- internal ecology of safety belonging and love so you know maybe it's their to some degree externally, but it's certainly not real. If it's you know face if it's I in this framework of you're only acceptable if you are X. Y. or Z.. No, and that is what. What we live in a world, we live in so we. We disempower ourselves every single day in order to survive. I mean those patterns. The thing is though it. It blocks are our shine. It blocks the league, the genius that creative like beautiful genius inside each of us. When we tighten it down in week. Conform to everything. We believe all the things that we think. You know then. We. We don't we don't let ourselves fully shine and we. I mean at least for myself, mainly taking out. Taking out different things that maybe I thought were true for a long time and shifting my perspective into something new. You know trying something new exploring myself Gosh. This life is so much better when it's an adventure and there's new things new discoveries in things change. That to me feels like a space square. Empowerment can be found because we can get so stuck in the stagnant. Energy! Yes. It's so easy. I think especially right now with everything that's going on with lake quarantine and all that stuff like. A It's very easy to get stuck in the stagnant. It's important. I mean we've got. We have this opportunity to be more. Self directed then. I'm generalizing but. You know things hurt. Things are different. A lot of people are more working from home. or you know maybe have that. Or. You know choosing new career possibilities for ourselves. There's so much opportunity in this and power to really tap in like you said every week or doing it every single day for a little while and get tapped into me Nan. Isn't that worth it to understand what makes our unique genius? The inner part of ourselves that wants to be expressed I know. Know I would be miserable. If I wasn't doing what I'm doing in my life, I just didn't know that before maize had to ask myself what I wanted. Enough Times for me to be really honest, and and help build my business, and what it is that I wanted to create, even though I never done it before. That's what was calling me forward. Yeah in the. That's where you get the juicy this. Is when you stay. Keep doing the practices and stay connected. You know about this but it there. Have you heard of shocked? Matt's Oh. Knock de Matt's is this the one has the pokey things the wrong. Yeah, yeah, it has the pokey thinks. Is for What's IT called Reflects, not, reflexologist. Pressure acupressure there you go, so. yeah I got one a couple of weeks ago. Oh my God. It is so incredible I'm obsessed with them. So I like we'll get on, it since shocking. Matt liked to balance that with May Sheba Mantra so I. Play Sheva, Mantra. Do like chant to Sheva while I'm on the Sharpie Matt and but it's reflexologist. Lay on it in the I league. Five minutes about are pretty intense like. I. I I'd say like the first few days that I use it. I was just kind of getting used to it you know, and then after that it was like it started a working and the emotional release that I have is so intense like it gets to the point where I feel like I'm GonNa. Vomit and I'm just incredibly nauseous, and all I can do is sound in like. Just move that energy, automate body and let it flow. And like the stopped comes out, is really powerful, and then after a get past about that first five minutes. The rest of the time because I, did it for thirty minutes late just and in this list state of like literally swirling bliss. It's really really amazing and it's like so that's one of the things that I'm doing right now. Jury Horn gene to. Keep the juice. Keep the energy flowing, and it's so important that we have practices that we can go to. That will keep just keep at energy moving. Keep it flowing because this like you, said the stagnant energy like that. Just that's what sucks. That's when life really sucks. I mean that's when the voice in the head starts going like judging everything. That's when like whatever you know. Historical things have been an issue. It's like every things start bug like redoubling backup again and it's. It's really important for us to make that choice of what we're investing. Our time in and I would say that causative. Momentum is totally possible when we consistently focus our attention on building our own power, whatever way that looks like for each person building our own power that's GonNa that's GonNa. Serve us in the long run when we make the commitments ourselves like. One of the things that are my remit, teachers actually couple of my teachers have have said this in really impact Munich send in different ways, but basically the idea is. What would you feel like once? You have had your desire, so whatever you. Decide you know I desire to have this relationship. I desire desired to have. This car is trip whatever you know. So there's the the physical aspect of the desire which is fine, but there's usually something be onto that right like. Why do you want that relationship? What is that going? How worries? How is that going to make you feel in? Austin nudes the how it's going to make us. You'll is what we want more than the actual thing that we want in so if you can determine okay once when I. I am on vacation. This is how I'm going to seal only when I have my feet in the sand and you know it's the perfect sunny weather outside not too hot, and in being served drinks on the beach and you know I get to go out on the sailboat that night at sunset, like how this is going to feel, or and then taking Moose feelings in embodying them now. I already feeling that way. You don't have to wait until you have that relationship. You don't have to wait until you have that money. You have to wait until you have that trip. You'll that way now just create that in that puts you in that vibration of already having what you want and so powerful like imagine how you're going to feel when you have the sex that you truly desire in start feeling like that now. This is what you meant by the insides and outsides matching. Love, that is so true. It's so true every time I embody. The thing that I'm working for. It's like I make myself magnetic. For the opportunities and experiences that will have that unfold. Absolutely. In the cool thing about desires is, there's always more. So like it. It's something that you can continue to play with. You can continue to experience new things like it doesn't. Have to be like Oh got the car, and now I'm satisfied for the rest of my life Yeah Right Exactly in our biology to never be satisfied, and that's okay like we can fight it, or we can embrace it and I found that in my life more than i. embrace these things the more of them. They are empowered of life that I live. Yeah I! I'm with you Sarah. Rose. I would say definitely the more that I pursue my dreams, and I really am like live in my dream. Like and the more that I do it the more I grow as a person. The more power I actually need to claim to do what I'm here to do. The more personal growth work I need to do and the more desire for the next thing comes, and it's this beautiful beautiful cycle. I knew I do know people who are like just. Who told me like they're tired of it you now. That it's like it's like somehow somehow there's this belief that like if we do this personal growth work than we can just be done with that and like. Like over it and I think that it is I think that the desire peace is like the key thing that's missing in that kind of situation that a actually this this drive is super beautiful. It's went gives life. More magic in meaning. Yeah I really see in clients sometimes where they and I've been there myself to. When I was still in the place of searching and doing personal development words from that place of like needing something to fix me sneaking something to complete me like what is the thing lake? What is this thing that's going to sneak me? Feel better finally like that. Being that place of doing personal development words can be really exhausting because it's like I. I am just doing this. I'm doing practice after practice training after training like you know in in the take, it does like he can take a lot of time, and it can take a lot of money and you people can be like I just tired of doing this like but for and I remember in my life where I salt exhausted by at all. It was like Oh my God like all I'm doing is working on myself. But, then I got to a point of. Of Ewing complete a feeling no longer than need to search and. Now I'm able to do my practices from a place of. This is so much fun. I love. I love that I get to do this at love that I get to spend this time. You know this thirty minutes on May Shock De Matt or Whatever it is like and in this, the juicy says it's what brings me back to life, and and helps me feel really excited and passionate so I can keep pouring not out over and over again so. And actually in in Entre which I didn't know at the time when I was still in my late release searching seeking phase of my life. That, Tundra is source in insult. Self, love in it's. Coming to healing from place of love, rather than from a place of I'm broken, and so often we choose to try a religion or spiritual practice or personal development practice. Because we feel like there's something wrong with us that we need to mix I'm not good enough. I need something that's going to fix me. And Tundra. Says do these things do these practices from a place of Love I love myself. Enough to know that I am worthy of my desires in doing your proxy, you do the same exact practice in two different ways and get two different results. Ethel truth. I'm really glad that you are bringing this awareness for people. Sarah's because I know that you know I mean I was I was a seeker at one time to I will. Definitely I can relate with. and there is a really big difference of approaching something as like do. Here's this thing like Oh. Let's see this versus like I have to do this or I'm not gonNA. Ever amount to anything. That's like a very different. Very different results, yes. Yeah for example like in the man on Fire Group coaching program that I have. Often, guys will come in because they have a very specific thing that they're really upset about that. They do not like this happening in bed. Like premature documentation or wreck tells functioning or delayed ejaculation, a porn addiction things like that just a dead bed. You know been a relationship for longtime and their snow more sex and they want a solution like they want something that's going to fix this, and so that's often why they come in. They get in this program in the way the end of six months. They're just like wow. Like I had no idea. These possibilities even existed in like. I mean I. I didn't even know if they remember like why. They originally the program. Is just so far out of the picture. But this is what we do like. We cultivate the self-love over and over and over like really changing the perspective in seething over and over love safety, belonging love, safety, belonging and like just the confidence in the power that the men are able to tap into like from the wholeness. They haven't site is incredible what you can do with your life from that place I mean. I came from a very very very disempowered place in my life like I was legally shutdown. I'm not expressive just like a a shallow myself like in this cage and I. Liked through doing contra in late awakening and integrating, and and just claiming me and reconnecting to my original essence like getting rid of all the shit that covered all that up healing trauma. I. That is how I became who I am today. So I I know this shit works done it myself. Right. Yes. The! but yeah, I always A. You know like to talk about Just a densities and that's a really important part. This process to is like. The identity that you're showing up with in the world who is who is that entity, and lay becoming clear on that, and and I lead people through specific practices to help them. Create an empowering entity mowing you look at these things like we have the ability to show up in the world in basically whatever identity that we choose to create, and there's so much victimhood mentality out there that is like. Bringing people down in his not that there aren't real bad situations happening in the world, because there are but our perspective in the midst of it all is what can change our life. You know like you can have the idea that you know there. Are the realities of women still being suppressed in the world, women still being an attack because of their sexuality or not making as much money as men. You know these these things are are real. And so you can sit there, and you can be a victim in the midst of that reality, or you can just be like clock that like I am going to break through that and yeah. Maybe it's not going to be easy lake. Maybe we're going to have to work harder than you know someone else, but that's okay, because it's worth it to me and. Like just choosing to be powerful and victorious in the middle of whatever situation is, and it doesn't mean that you always feel on fire like they're days that I'm like Oh my God. Why am I still doing this? This is so hard. This is such a battle being like changing the the world's perspective on sex light you. Sign up for this every. Day, like. Yeah you. But but it's okay. This is my truth. This is this is what I'm passionate about in just keep moving through it us so so good Sarah I am I'm really feel like this this reclaiming power I. Love Power Sex, and this reclaiming our power in our own lives, and in the world where we have an influence like this definitely gets me super excited and turned on when I think about. People dislike yet turney. Finding out what turns them on. And then creating that doing that in the world. Can you just imagine I mean I? Guess you can. You named your program man on fire right, but can you imagine Hold. The women turned on all the men turn on people just like passionate and excited to express their gifts. Heck Yeah. Yes! That's what we're doing. You were doing it. Is Out there that are really pushing for this shift in for this change, and he's this liberation that people can experience and. Our sex lives are so intertwined with the rest of our lives and I'm late. Having the internal. Staff where you're just like. We're giving away your power. Your leading insecurities creep in all of that. It's just GonNa hold you back like that's where. Performance anxiety comes from a work with guys a lot when it comes to performance anxiety, and the struggles that they they show up with bedroom room, because of it and I mean first of all I hate the term performance anxiety. I use it because people know what I'm talking about and. You know which way you are in bed. Not Be performance, so we're already already like seeing what the issue is right there. Just. The the way that we're framing this but you win when I work with guys, and and we create a new empowering identity around from this show, Baz, the bedroom, a that shift so much or them, and it can shift quickly to like it can. It can really be like a thing was like night and day like I. Wow! I was experienced that and now I'm experiencing this so. You've got to put in. The effort you gotta show up, but. Transformation is possible. Yes, yes, it is. It's an empowered way of being in facts. And happens regularly. Should, we play some cards? that. You would never ask Sarah. I am really. Right now because I'm doing a getting a lot of cards out into the world. and. In preparation for making new tax snow extra excited about the cards today. For listeners and -cation don't no. We are going to be playing errands. Intimacy to let's talk about sex. It's a whole deck of fill in the blank cards for love, relationship and sexuality Oh and look when I pulled for today. Sarah's a so perfect. I'm cooled. I show my love by. Love. I blink. I show my love by. Wall my love language is definitely physical touch. That's a big one for me like I just like to touch yearly just. Like even if it's just like stroking the arm, whatever like even non-sexual way just like to me, that feels really good in supernatural extension of showing love. Uniform. Well I show my love. I show my love by with quality time, focused attention. I think that is. Aware really liked to show up with people your help. Help them give them the thing. That's the most important. which is you know my time? Think. That is probably my. My preferred way of showing love although I do Love A. Just. Yet like touching and cuddles and things like that, but that's probably not my first one. It's my first one. Yeah qualities. Yes you! Oh. Something that turns me on is. God so much. To Go. There you GO I. Know today something that turns me on about today is. It turns me on to be in front of a group of people like onstage. Late storytelling and today I'm going to tell a story and part of my story include squishing cupcake on ice bare skin. And I feel so. On that because that is happening a this afternoon. He's doing you say you're bearskin. What Part Your bears? I think I'm GonNa put it across my cleavage. So, it's really easily viewable on my screen. I'm I'm telling you stories virtual intimacy retreat nice, and so Will your viewers? cupcakes to also smush on themselves. They are getting a story and. They get to watch me. SQUISH cupcakes day. Want Cookie. They're going to have to get their own. Well that be beyond the. I'll take him video. So, naughty and excited about Gosh. I know if something that is so I have a mirrored bed frame. It's like. It's. It's a made to look and. So has kind of like the the antique. BECCLES and I guess, but it's actually like. In style at frames, it's like a mix of the two, but I love having sex and may bed in like watching me. My partner have sex and the mirrored bed frame. Beyond so much like watch how? Hot We are. And that is sex in Cerro's. Sh? Paid Saragan things are listening. Make sure you check out the links and the show notes for everything. We discussed in this episode and you can also find out about how you can work with me until next time lovers.

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23 Minutes for Every Teenage Entrepreneur | Interview with Jack Bloomfield

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23 Minutes for Every Teenage Entrepreneur | Interview with Jack Bloomfield

"Hey what's up podcast listeners. This is sam craig. I'm a software engineer on gary's team on today's episode jack bloomfield interviews gary. There's a lot of good advice teenagers listening so enjoy guarantee up next this is the gary v audio experience as it was just talking about four gary so i am the probably fourth or fifth youngest entrepreneur. That's ever twelfth thirteenth. I absolute privilege so look. I know that you've got some pretty shown views on the education system saying that you very very insurance you just said with young entrepreneurs. You know exactly what we're doing what we're trying to achieve. What was your experience at school like. You did business you want. Do you want us on business in school. How how how did that dynamic it was. There was no internet so you have to understand. That's just a very very different situation so i did it. It was it was an advantage and a disadvantage anything in life right. I did want to be in business but there was no choice like back then you had to do business during the hours you in school so you know i it was more about prepping myself for when versus could i do this now. Yeah yeah exactly so so that's how my mind was. That's where i was and so my experience was look. I i very much was in a place where <music> i'm new deep deep deep down not because it was cool because entrepreneurship wasn't cool like it is now. I didn't wasn't going to get what i needed out of the way the school was structured very much understood that and i was very passionate about being prepared for the world i wanted to go into so i spent a lot of time thinking thinking about where i was going and and practicing whether it was baseball cards or lemonade stands or flea markets or retail arbitrage or working in my dad's liquor store i was practicing so did that that liquor store one library. You know that the whole thing did did you'd that play into entrepeneurship that you have now obviously being seven fossil back when you were seventeen running on. We can liquor store when he was seventeen yeah did that. Entrepeneurship set come from seventeen was before way before that was one of the first entrepreneurial things back when you six seven eight nine ten when when i was four or five i was excuse me eighty-seven age when i was six. I was going door to door selling stuff that i found i. I told this story not in a long time. I used to rip people's flowers out of their yards and then ring the doorbell and try to sell back to them not super proud of that but that is absolutely true. I you know i think i like. I like the kind of like the negative part of that story. The truth was i did do that. I also picked flowers from other places and fields and try to sell them. I by the time i was when i was seven the summer of my seven going my number so call it seven and three fourths i was heavy car wash you know that winter snow shoveling like by seven eighty percent of my activities outside for we're business so i look i always say this. I really do believe that. I was a pure bred entrepreneur that it was in me that i that was my d._n._a. Anna nick would you say genetic lottery one hundred percent yep and now for kids who let's say for example which now fifteen sixteen seventeen and look there are a lot of the guy. I want to start a business. I want to get into entrepreneurship number. One school system against judaism to your parents said again. She got saudi stacked against you. What would be the one piece of advice for anyone to go ahead and actually not just start but actually build a successful business as a teenager. Stop being audacious. If you want to do it you have to be prepared for your parents not to financially support it. Yeah yeah that to me is number one. There's a lot of kids who want their cake and eat it too so they want to be a business woman but they want their parents to pay for all their stuff a real entrepreneur in one man's opinion deals with the ramifications of the first decade of shit yeah yeah so if you want to be an entrepreneur and that hurts your parents feelings because they want you to go to university well then you better be prepared for them not to pay for your uber or your or your tv or your clothes. It's like all these entrepreneurs that are gary entrepreneur rug and i looked down at their shoes and i'm like i do this a lot. I'm like how'd you get those nine hundred dollar shoes and and comes up up up up about thought yeah. They're not sure where i'm going and they're like well. I bought them and i'm like how you know. One of the things i'm unbelievably proud of is a couple cool things one. My parents stopped giving me money around thirteen to. I did go to college because my parents wanted me to and i'm okay with that. I took i took the vacation vacation and did you out of college for example. Do you use any of the stuff that you took out of that into. What you do today and you would recommend anyone especially entrepreneurship about college was i went to an extremely urban school so i was able to live in the culture that has become the popular culture of our society. Yeah you know much of what i know about a lot of things that are considered cool today whether in music or fashion or consumer behavior those four years of being in a very <unk> diverse school environment skewing unbelievably urban gave me a lot of truth to my understanding that i don't think i would have been able to have have if i didn't live in that cocoon yeah look if there was one business that you would recommend offer you say there. There's one business let site fifteen sixteen year old again watching flipping. There's there's nothing even close. There's nothing even close to being a flipper okay buying and selling pokemon cards sneakers going to a store in buying closeout items and putting them on ebay. Nothing will teach you more than buying and selling stuff because you learn how to negotiate you you learn you learn hard work because it's a grind. You got list it. You got to ship it yet. You learn market dynamics. You'll learn that you by a you find some some store at selling for twenty dollars on the flip site and then all of a sudden selling for ten dollars in a week and you're like wait a minute what happened supply and demand being changed. I'm such an animal of the market. That's what makes me so adaptable. I'm never comfortable because i know that yesterday's vulnerable rebel tomorrow and i'm very passionate about that and now look if they let's say take a bad advice your fifteen sixteen year old and you with the parents stacked against you. You've got your parents saying if you saw an. I get this all the time from people yeah kids sang if parents taught business if someone goes ahead and if you stop this unique it we're going to do all this. We're gonna kick you out of house. Yeah and it's horrible so look if in that situation what would you say to pick once note but the parents themselves yeah like you don't understand entrepreneurship. I should start get what their kid can actually get out of doing something believe it or not. I'm not very passionate about telling parents. Raising kids yep what i would say is to the parents is the following a little more macro anytime you parent with what you would like to happen because you care about the opinions of in your circle versus listening to your child's behavior. You're always vulnerable to not having a great relationship with your child yeah okay and if you're pushing your your kid because you know there are a good student and they happened to stumble across a couple of gary v videos and now they've just entrepreneur and you wanted them to go to top university because you like that feeling because you're hanging out with a lot of well educated friends who value that yup and now you're forcing that kid even though they are a good student. They've always been selling stuff. They've always been passionate about business. You're doing a disservice and you're choosing your insecurities as a parent over your love for your child and i think that's a bad move yeah exactly and there are any tips that you would give say you're in that situation phospholipid back gary sixteen years old. I'm your parents sect against you. Don't want you to do this. Don't you do that with all all the threats in the world at you. What would you in that in that context and that situation is the kid. What would you do to get around that. Obviously pick one. He's obviously hickok. Pick one about like. How do you have to understand that. It's that easy meaning if your parents are going to kick you out of the house. If you feel like you're ready to go start. Your business leads sacrifice yeah. Nobody wants to deal with the sacrifices. They just want the upside of entrepreneurship. They want the cars and the girl the instagram spa. That's what what it looks like an instagram. I fucking shit for fucking two decades. I didn't make any content for fifteen years. I didn't tell anybody what i was doing was gonna fucking lived the execution and then i talked so if you're such a tough guy if you're such a tough gal if you're going to be such a great entrepreneur show we go live with six people it. Let me tell you first of all kids. Your parents will blink first when your parent yells at you and says if you're so tough and you're not gonna get out of the house as soon as you start packing eight out of ten parents are going to change the conversation and the two that aren't which i respect actually admire you for succeeding and they'll be there to take you back when you suck yeah because let's remind everybody who's listening. Who's sixteen ninety five percent. We're gonna fail. Let's just get into the math of success around entrepreneurship. Oh i see it. Every day. I lay gory sounds real easy. You're going to build a huge media company. Nobody on instagram at fifty instagram accounts and make millions getting shoutout so offer off that like for example when you're sitting expectations as a sixteen year old who starts what did they sell flipping when i saw any top business how'd you expectations without the expectation or building one hundred fifty million dollar media business. How do you set that. What are you waiting for. I tell them that that you know i tell them. Why don't you just take one step at a time the next ten years we're going to suck. Are you willing to eat that if you are. You're in a good spot if you want to be twenty three and partying v._i._p. Clubs are tied at the highest buildings in this city because you're gonna crush it so much coach. Show your diamond necklace and your maserati on instagram and you're going to be able to floss into perpetuity yeah. You're gonna fucking lose and for the kids who you sang that puts me in apply sperm like the the fear failure because i know that being an entrepreneur are young. You've got so many people stacked against you. Saying what if the additional spot enough money. You don't have a degree and all this stuff going for you. What would you say to kids who are fearing family because starting so young starting with so little starting with sorry what's rotting on it. Don't judge the end of the first quarter. Get into a mindset where let's judge if this was right in fifteen years when i'm thirty and still a the kid so the first quarter's fifteen years it's ridiculous. You know like like you know the other thing that people don't understand it for example. Let's use you right now right so you think about this. If i'm you what i would have been thinking plus you and what i think. Is this a big yet with gary. This is gonna be a big moment. I think that way the thing. I learned twenty six years later. It's it's never as big as you think yeah exactly. It's just a long game exactly interview. You're going to get this flip. You're going to get there is no exit. You're gonna get a forever game and people don't sign up for forever. They sign up four ominous slam it and then this is going to happen because they value the trophies more than the process they value they get out of entrepreneurship not entrepreneurship itself. This generation is disrespecting entrepreneurship. Yeah yeah look. I think it's interesting too because as long as the event then speak at the solve our ends and let me expand on that yeah k. generations disrespecting entrepreneurship because they're not doing extinct love it. They're doing it because they want something out of it or k. Everyone's getting into entrepreneurship with the end goal for the payout not for the process and and i think it's worth disrespecting it disrespecting yeah and do you think that's changed over time or is that always bain when you do you think social media's impact that so you no i don't. I think that people have always been insecure. I think we are being exposed now because we could see a play out in front of us yeah and now we're going to question today by one of the people at the event and they said that they keep plays mon- kroft four five hours a day now he's under fortnight and how do i get him interested in business. He has a passion for selling things definitely issue it. It had to get him onto that and how do i feel like he's filing a feel like he's cheating himself by not doing the what what would you tell parents touching too early yes because they could play sport yeah and you think that's just what would you specifically side. You could say you're judging early judging too early really yeah and what should they slow down and be patient. Let your kid limo little yep yep so. Do you think there's any valuable skills. They learned from doing that. Of course that's what i'm thinking of course could just hearts went to that sort of it's hard. It's like well. Yes they know what they wanna do but you know they're stuck doing something else but the best way wait for a parent to help a kid that they're worried about. That's playing four night minecraft all day. Stop buying them ship parents. Don't get it like they. They played defense. Play offense okay. You don't like what your kid does play this game. Hey johnny just real quick loving crush four-night yet a big decision mom and dad made we're not giving you any more money. Let's just do that. Even if you're a fourteen year old. Even it's just do that like the quickest answer sir to ninety four percent appearance questions is to stop giving them money. Okay all right. Let's let's put in context for example so i'm flawless fourteen i i video games was idea of doing business back then into the whole thing but if wasn't doing business and my parents bought me clothes and stuff like that you know what i need your clothes food and clothes food and shelter. That's what they gave me was the way you want anything else a foreign car you've got to buy it and that's a case for fourteen year old parent who has the issue they kipling monocrop. What do they do that because i can't count. Throw them out. What's the alternative. What do you mean as in the kid's fine crop. The kid doesn't get off and i think that's disadvantage jim some way or another fourteen and not buying them as well they they've already taught him. The most important lesson set up one. That's it that's it because once you teach an animal that they have to learn how to eat that animal will succeed archery. That's phenomenal if a child oldest so passionate about minecraft four-night yup that they're willing to not get an iphone that they're willing to not get cool sneakers that they're willing to knock doc it all the stuff. That's all their friends. Get twenty years and then went four million dollars. Yeah exactly i yeah the answer is to cut off financially at scale that is so misunderstood because you're teaching proper behavior because when they go into real life there is ramifications for not earning sometimes good. I still believe a stunning percentage of people that make forty thousand. A year are far happier than people that make four million yeah. The misery that i see at the million are level is remarkable and the one thing that i see as well. Is that a lot of kids. My age especially like i'm still hostile kids going into next year the question get ox- well. What do you want to do with the rest. What do you want to do at university yeah. What seventeen year wouldn't you say to a parent parent or teacher. Will someone you ask the parent teacher they happy. Are they happy with what they're doing for living yep. That's what i did. When my fourteen year old one of fifteen year old gary got made fun of teachers. I looked him dead in the face. I do this three different times in high school and said. Are you happy with the way your career ended like. You're telling me that i'm going to be a failure because i got an athens science like i've a very good read of i'm going to do with my life yeah. I'm going to be a successful businessman. You may be right. Mrs stats. I remember your names. You may be right. Mrs stats that. I may be a failure. You also may be wrong but before. We guess what's going to happen with me me. Let's focus on you. You happy with your life. I mean listen. It's very valid question russian and what was the response that you got. When you shop like like like like what did you don't sit down set up at attention. Yes something like that. Don't worry about me is one one one teacher said so you. You would say if you're a seventeen year old. Just shut up lockdown and stand your online. If you know what your distance stopping fulla shit if you're seventeen. If you want to do your own thing get off your mommy and daddy's payroll you do that. Things can get really interesting. You don't do that. You're not really playing yup okay and that doesn't mean shelter food and clothes because i think that's unbelievably valid of course iphone ipad sneakers your own trip where you're not going through family all sorts of shit yeah kids expected appears to buy them should should all-time exactly exactly so you think you think adjusting the view on what entrepreneurship truly is for seventeen year. Old is the way to actually succeed exceed as opposed to moscow what you see on instagram. I think truth is the way yeah is the answer to all these questions parents what their kids are doing cut off their financial resources versus and then don't use money to manipulate them to do what you want them to do. That's exactly yeah. Parents love to use money to manipulate study. I'll i'll give you five thousand bucks. You can buy anything like stop manipulating and start listening. <hes> yeah yeah so i i think the more of the story is if you're seventeen year old dauntless knowing nelson she hit steiner on line and if you do what you wanna do bush itself okay yeah and what's have have know exactly what you're going going for. Is that the is that the cross give it because this moment but that can change over time okay excellent for you moving forward. What's the next big thing. What are you working. Hang on. I'm looking at television and film for the first time in my career fascinated by because you've got the apple thing guard actually enough for me to be in for me to make television and film. That's on my mind for the first time ever an and it's already in my mind long enough and serious enough and now that i'm saying it out loud now. It's a foregone conclusion so i. I think that is going to be a fun next chapter. So you just does not mean that you think t._v. Said the t._v. Industry yeah exactly so he's one to watch as one into the industry that you're playing because you see it up and coming. I just think that i could make the number one show on stan if i wanted to yeah exactly and i want to figure out if i can yeah so you think that is an expert play. What would be the next big five year zine. What's what's the apart from t._v. What is the next big thing coming up. Gary take sports cards because you know the top's thing having you well. That was fun but i think yeah. I think there's a lot of money. What's a long-term fly with money the the game the game. It's really not money the jets at the end of the game less like an i right. Am i right that messy. Rookie cards at two thousand five hundred are going to be ten ten thousand five years. I just loved that feeling it'll be right about markets and that goes back to why you do the flipping and the garage styling even also think i can help people with that yeah. You're playing a truth you why. I think there's a lot of people i think there's a lot of people who are watching right now who have two thousand dollars because they've been hustling and the i think he can to get educated buying basketball pokemon and proper football cards could help them go to five thousand in a year and they'll enjoy that and that feels good to me. That's that's more guaranteed to me than buying bitcoin. Now bitcoin go up ten x yup. I don't know i do you know that two to five thousand as an educator sports card flipper will happen yeah exact- got it yeah. I don't like to guess yeah exactly last question so if you've got let's say to grant. You've done flipping as you said you got. Two grand saved up so what's to be applied. Veggie continued flipping g move onto the next thing is should you educate. Cates opened your kid. I love the idea of buying a bunch of ben simmons rookie card <hes> yep because i just think he's developed jump shot. He'll go to the stratosphere and so so that's interesting you look. There's a lot of ways to do it starting to shop if i store what i do yeah i'm very bullish on that. <hes> <hes> starting you you know if you're passionate about about so if you're passionate about magic the gathering you can do what i like which is go buy cards and flip you could also start the foremost magic perfect gary gathering podcast and instagram accounts and then eventually have people run advertising and you could make one hundred thousand a year getting ad money you know so so there's just a lot of ways to slice and dice but everything i'm painting to you right now is go after a passion the younger you are the more i want you to start a business around the thing you love the most okay close video games cooking sneakers you know what do you love the most because you have all the time in the world to build something meaningful around that and i think that's a good idea yeah and do you think that if someone who sells a business seventeen should identify that that's going to be the play ahead or should they start a business seventeen. I think that this is what i'm going to doing this wanna build to fifty or should they have the expectation. They're gonna change expectation changed because they're too young. They're going to evolve too much as a human exactly fall in love. They're gonna mature. They're going to have experience. Their interests are going to change their very few people. I feel like i'm being a little bit benjamin button button and going backwards and getting into wine and sports cards but most people's tastes evolves from seventeen. The themes may be the same but you have to soon matt seventeen that you're gonna change. It's very rare to go coast to coast seventeen to ninety seven doing the same business exactly excellent or at coop. Thank he's been phenomenal. Thank thank you so much. Thanks guys for listening. Please please please share the podcast and make sure you've subscribed because a bunch of you aren't subscribed and and more poorly above you listen. Every day haven't told your friends. 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LTB #433 Coronavirus Impacts and Improving on Bitcoin With BitTorrent Creator Bram Cohen

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LTB #433 Coronavirus Impacts and Improving on Bitcoin With BitTorrent Creator Bram Cohen

"They look to the show. This is episode four hundred thirty three of let's Bitcoin. In today's discussion will briefly talk about some of the knock on or second order effects which the corona virus disruption is having on our world today. And which may continue into the future than for the meat of the show will dig into the specific areas were. Bitcoin could or perhaps is being by the creators of one of the most impactful. Peer to peer technologies live in the world. Today today's episode of Let's Talk. Bitcoin is sponsored by Toro Dot Com and dot. Io Let's talk. Bitcoin is owned by the hosts and his editorially independent. But you can find new episodes every Sunday on the coin has podcast network point. S. Dot com the LT network it. Let's Talk Bitcoin. Dot Com and are privately managed show only subscriber feed at Lt show dot com with all that said. I'd like to commute to this episode. Four hundred thirty three of the show. My Name Is Adam. Levine journalist Entrepreneur and an editor at coin. Desk joining our discussion today. Dr Stephanie Murphy. Either Jonathan Moham- Hey Andreas 'em and apples. Hello and Branco and creator of the bittorrent protocol and CEO of Chia. On behalf of the hosts. We'd like to thank Bram and you the listener for sitting in on today's session so to jump right into this. Our world is changing. That's probably always true. But with a corona virus inspired lockdowns shelter in place or stay at home owners. Whatever you WANNA call it. I think we're in a period of acute change right now. New Habits are being formed and concepts that used to seem far fetched are becoming commonplace or just sort of assumed in this first segment. We're going to briefly discuss a couple of the potential effects that we're noticing in the world today and a lot of this topic is built on a document called Second Order Corona virus effects which will link in the show notes in which frankly is a fabulous document. If you're interested in kind of thinking this out so second order effects. There's the obvious stuff that's going on in the world and the obvious changes that are happening and then there's sort of the stuff that is going to happen because of the stuff that's happening now and the potential impacts that could have just to kick it off when we were looking at these lockdowns. We were saying all right. Well this might be fourteen. Days was kind of what the initial impression was. But now it's all of this month. Were recording this on. A second and all of this month is going to have it. Seems like those social distancing measures in effect. Oh yeah the previous month had a two. We just came off of a month of isolation in our staring down the barrel of another month and could be even longer only idiots thought. It was two weeks. Well I mean do most people think more than two weeks ahead anyway. I think a lot of people are just kind of like you know taking it day by day which is fine. But we're in the situation. Where if we want to do the goal which is flattening the curve and making it so that the healthcare system doesn't get too overwhelmed. We really need to isolate and we might just need to like sit with that and not know how long we're going to have to isolate for just do it until things get better. And that's really difficult for some people to grapple with and of course it has a lot of that. We're going to be talking about today revenge of the Hickey. Komori with that Hickok. Kamori is the Japanese term. Four-shot TINS. It's people who never leave their house. Oh so me like Adam and me voluntary hermitage. Yeah exactly. It's interesting because one category as the people who do work from home and I think all of us have for a big chunk of our lives on that I've been doing it since nineteen ninety-five from home entirely and then there's people who not only work from home but also don't do a lot of those socializing or they do but they do it at home so I think that that's the second category which is hit Komati. I've been thinking about this because I've been also worked from home since twenty thirteen so having a lot of time to get accustomed to it but a few years ago. I got really interested in personality types. I started reading a lot especially about introversion and extroversion and Naw like people who hear me on. The show may not believe this but I am very introverted. I play an extrovert on the radio. But I'm very introverted. And I am one of those voluntary hermits and since I started becoming aware of that about myself. I've given myself permission to you know. Go out less to not always text back right away to just hide from my phone or from whatever my email if I need to for a few hours or a few days or weekend or week and that's been great for my mental health but I've noticed that it's kind of an extroverts world it's kind of like especially in American culture we prioritize or we value people who are willing to go out there and seize the day and like do stuff out and staying at home is seen as a sign of weakness. Maybe as a sign of femininity right. Because it's like associate with his. Stay at home. Mom Right and our culture doesn't value stay at home moms as they do. Dads who go out and work and make money and not saying I agree with that. I don't agree with it. But that is sort of like the way our culture falls and is this dynamic and flip now like the introverts are finally having their day like injury was just saying social anxiety. People have is really hilarious. It's like people are not used to video chats lamey to plan a video. Chat like days in advance totally. Yeah absolutely and then mess it up completely. At least I know to hide all of the things in the background of my shots. That are going to reveal everything about my location. My Habits and everything else I've been doing. The day is is so many hilarious stories are coming out of you. Know Teachers who've crossed into online learning without preparation et CETERA. And don't know how to say their workspace. They put a filter on their video. That makes them into a potato and they don't realize it and they get stuck that way for the entire class. Although I mean honestly that would be a much better school experience in the one that I had so I mean like. I can't argue with the potato if you think about it it's like you're remember when AOL was dumped onto the Internet right. This is like that but for working from home with zoom meetings. Yeah it's like that but with boomers getting dumped on work from home situations. Yeah I mean and there's also a dark side to this too like I've heard about zoom bombing. Have you heard about this? Oh Yeah. Zoom Urals are tentative slung. And you can just WORE ISLA. You can manually wore dialed up. It's ridiculous lake well but this could you add a few more digits. The end of that. Please yeah and I think people spending more time with their nesting partners their spouses their kids people that they live with when normally they get a break from them for at least five to eight hours a day and what does that Judah relationships while there's a dark side to that too. I mean there's going to be an increase in domestic violence and child abuse and elder abuse and stuff like that too. I mean with respect to my life I would say that a lack of public school probably reduce massively the amount of child abuse. That's occurred A. It's been really interesting kind of watching that and talking to people because Stephanie as you said like I've basically built my life for a whole variety of reasons around this sort of fully remote approach. But you know like are married right and what happens. Is that when you live in very close proximity with somebody all of the potential problems that can be problems? They get a lot louder right. And so if you build your life around that then a lot of the process of really getting to know a person is figuring out where those rough spots are and trying to figure out how you deal with that most often with me and my wife do you turn it into something. That's kind of funny about the other person or something that makes you laugh as opposed to being something. That's annoying right. Does it problems get louder though or do they just get like harder to sweep under the rug and ignore? What the same thing isn't it? I mean it's the difference between having twenty four hour exposure to it versus having you know like twelve hour exposure to it right. I think can be an opportunity for greater intimacy because if you can actually talk about the issues that you have that are brought to light by being together all the time. If that wasn't something you were doing before you can turn it into an opportunity for growth as a couple or as a family or whatever absolutely but that doesn't always work. I guess that's my point. Is that like a? That's a mode that you have to kind of get into. I would argue. It's a learned skill right because you have to kind of be willing to embrace the conflict in order to resolve it and come out the other side with the kind of better or more nuanced understanding and I think that for a lot of people. That's not a normal mode because they have never been forced to kind of do that in the same way that's happening now. Yeah that's absolutely true. But just like boomers are being forced to learn how to use zoom. We can maybe call them. Zuma's now people in general are being forced to develop better skills at relating to their family members and people they live with. I agree absolutely and I think it is a huge opportunity for that but it's also at a weird time thinking back to when I was in high school in like the teens to early twenties that would have been a rough time for me to have been kinda stuck in my situation. Not Because I had any sort of bad situation but just because I was unhappy with it. Right and so that compression in that circumstance just would've made me super angry so. I mean like I'm so happy to be at the point of my life that I am now and have done the things that I did. Because this hasn't really been that disruptive to me it's been interesting watching other people adjust when this is the life that I've been choosing live for a long time but I just wanted to recognize that. This is a really really stressful situation for a lot of people and again the longer. This thing extends kind of the more stressful. It's GONNA get yeah. There's like categories of social distancing in isolation and Quarantine. The people are experiencing which are very very different. I mean talking to a friend who's actually delighted by quarantine. She gets to spend time with her kids all of the crafts projects that were never getting done or getting done. There's lots of projects happening around the house. Just call quality time. She doesn't need excuses to not socialize to not follow wop to not meet appointments to not deal with deadlines to not even have expectations and all of that has given her tremendous amounts of freedom. And of course you know that's in place where social isolation in distancing is possible and many places around the world. It's not even possible like you live in Mumbai right now. You can't isolate. There's no such thing it's possible it's affordable. This person isn't losing their job or worried about whether they'll be able to pay rent. So there is a varying degree of this experience. Some people are experiencing this very differently than others. The most extreme example was this billionaire. I can't remember who it was. Who was sending photos of their super yacht somewhere in the Canary Islands and lamenting in a sarcastic way. So if this turns into Guillotine. They're the first to go. You know how does of Tashi has to be. And then there's other people who are experiencing this in a much more catastrophic way so I think that's one of the other second order facts. Is that while? We're all getting a glimpse into the things that United States is humanity. You know that everyone susceptible to this. We're also experiencing this very differently and there will be a divergence in people's experiences and how people remember this time right now. We just have warranty. We don't have the peak of the pandemic and the number of people who die is going to vary a lot between different locations. They're going to be some countries just days totally under control and they're gonNA be some countries and maybe even some states in the United States where the hospitals just get overwhelmed people just die for lack of ventilators and lack of medical staff who can help and so this story is just beginning right now or die because they had a tooth infection and decided not to go to the dentist performance the second order effects of everything else that happens in life that is put on hold is going to be. Even more pronounced. Did Not counted in the official tally. Although there was at least one report of overall mortality in the United States that appears to be much lower than normal right now yes because of car accidents and other things that are not happening. Well it was also pretty crazy. 'cause when China shut down and then Shenzhen while under quarantine I said the crazy thing about this virus is if you net out the number fennel. Od's that won't be happening. Because Ninety five percent of the black market spent it all being produced right now. We actually be net positive corona virus deaths in America. It will also there are people who are getting more sleep so they might be getting your heart attacks. It could be a flu. Actually kills a lot more people than we realise because there's an old person who has an underlying issue but would actually kills them as the flu. But when you do. The autopsy looks like whatever it was attributed to right. Yeah and don't forget. Falls are big cause of deaths among the elderly to and. I don't know if this is going to change the rate of falling at home but it might change the rate of home healthcare workers who do help elderly people at home being able to reach them and access them one of the second order facts as we are seeing how comes for pandemics and cities that have dense public transportation systems like subway systems trains and buses. And so that's going to change people's behavior round those transportation systems as it already has in most of Asia since SARS so we're going to see a lot more people obviously wearing masks in public transport but one of the effects that we saw almost immediately was the lift toolbar. Another ride sharing companies canceled their bus mode the pool services where you take a car and you don't share with a driver who's a stranger but three other strangers who hop on at different points so that's gone and I don't think that's coming back honestly but more probably though the other interesting effect is the degree to which people will want to isolate wall doing transportation which they'll probably do less often if they're working from home and how that ties into autonomous vehicles who various types so the idea of accelerating doctrine of self driving cars because of necessity accelerating Z. Adoption of self driving delivery vehicles again because of necessity and changing kind of the landscape of cities to accommodate those things already for example in suburban America. It's quite possible to Nocco to the supermarket and just have ever seen delivered or two range a pick up and go pick it up. Yes actually I've had experience with that recently my first time. Trying these kinds of services but one thing I've noticed is that the delivery people are really stressed out and they are like for example Insta- cart which is like this grocery shopping uber kind of situation. Their employees went on strike because they were not being given personal protective equipment by the company or training. You know I've had a couple of deliveries in the past week. Where the delivery person got the order wrong because probably I would guess. They are very stressed out. Overworked not enough staff not enough training and they're scrambling and so you know automating. That would be probably better for everybody. You know. There is the issue of maybe lost jobs or lost revenue but maybe that frees humans up to do safer things other things. Automating is real hard. Yeah I think you'll have more people picking groceries and you know that there's now a pool of ten million unemployed people in the. Us will looking for jobs in grocery chains and food delivery and distribution chains. That have a desperate need for more employees. So you may see a massive change in employment the last mile problem which is the actual delivery to the home is something. That's getting a lot of stress. I've heard from breeding us about how this is almost Christmas level of traffic for UPS FEDEX USPS and all of the other various delivery services. Funniest Story and tweets. I've read regarding. That says where you know when you place an order with these picking services at supermarkets you can tell him if you want them to cancel something if it's not in stock or choose a close substitution if there is such a substitution available or just choose a different brand but same products or whatever so you can have some options there. One of the funniest tweets I read. Was this woman who ordered tampons and put closest substitute if not possible. 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I'm not in favor of government doing stuff most of the time but one thing I've been thinking about a lot is how if the government was going to do a work programme for this really weird period where people are. Kinda stuck at home and many people would rather not be stuck at home. It feels like a general delivery service at the national level where people who want to participate and want to get out of the house can get the appropriate protective equipment and you can do kind of like shopping trips that go to potentially more than one store on a per person basis and the government help subsidize it and it would pay people money and they'd have something to do and it would solve this problem in areas where the services haven't rolled out like. I'm not advocating that. They do this but I think actually it's a pretty interesting idea in a place where I think that government subsidies could actually potentially help with things. I don't think you really need government subsidies though I mean it's already happening the demand this enormous. There's plenty of companies to do it and there's plenty of people willing to do it so I mean I don't know exactly what the role of government would be there other than to over promise and under deliver. Well there's a density issue when it comes to rolling out these as commercial services right and maybe that density issue is now solve perhaps perhaps it is completely unnecessary at this point but the opportunity for a daily press conference is still there. So maybe there's a whole set of new opportunities in sterilization people who've never taken this like getting sick thing seriously. I think we're GONNA start seeing homes getting renovated so there's no touch automated handwashing right when you walk in the flair. I think shaking hands is never gonNA come back. This is going to be a thing now. I actually hope that this may be a silver lining. Improves like the level of sexual harassment. You know like I would be glad if some people were not greeting me by kissing me on the face or touching me in New York City won the swine. Flu outbreak happened. The response to that was every building in every major sort of conjunction point in private space. Put a pure L. Auto dispenser and I thought it was fantastic because every time every person went past an escalator it. They just put their hand on the machine. Because you were there anyway. So handwashing went up to like ninety five percent like this is amazing. They removed afterwards. So I would say about. Eighty percent of them went away but a decade later. I would say one in five of the ones that got set up. All across the city are still there. It's now very common to walk into the lobby of a building and see a pure L. Dispenser and it seems like a trend. That's likely continue given everything that's happening. Now Yeah so. There was some sort of cultural consciousness that it diminished. But it's still there. There's an interesting development in new technologies there for example Far Hugh v which doesn't degrade plastics Cancer causing because it doesn't penetrates deep enough in. The skin is a new option so the idea of having automated cleansing cycles of things like self driving cars or building bees or patient rooms so that every time the door closes and there's no one in the room. The Room bathes itself in far. Uv light you could even do that. And things like the lobbies of homes you know the foyer on a far UV. You can do when when there are people in the room to believe the wavelengths they're talking about are the ones just barely outside of x ray so it's like the most extreme wavelengths that actually get through ordinary air normally. The of that is just blocked by human skin pretty easily and then when it comes to touching surfaces best tip I can provide. People is by a bic lighter and paper clip break the paper clip and half put it around the opening of the bic lighter so that it's sort of like a semi circle touched the button. You need a touch and then light the BIC lighter to set the paper clip on fire to sanitize it and then put it in your pocket that could be your pokey stick. Aren't you know I've seen devices like this for phones with the far UV? Yes Oh there should be things that you just put your phone and that sanitizer. Those should be everywhere bright. Yeah especially in bathrooms so while you're washing your hands as is your home. Ooh That's a good idea. The thing that I would say I thought would be a second order effects. That hasn't happened. Was I thought the Internet was GONNA go back like ten? Fifteen years in terms of available bandwidth actually very surprised that at least in America the infrastructure has been able to keep up with everyone switching to remote working in streaming. Everyone's bottleneck to the Internet is their home connection. The backbone is easy to upgrade have way more capacity and right now so in Europe is it mostly politicians thinking. It's a series of tubes. Why would they throttle youtube in that place? Is it reactionary or is it based on merit in terms of throughput in the network? It's social signaling. Downgrading your Netflix. Video quality is kind of like controversial for me to say but as a lot like recycling recycling unfortunately as an example where a loom cans and corrugated cardboard. If you separate those is actually a good idea. The problem is people really really want to recycle. They WANNA recycle. Everything and recycling is garbage and there's only so much utility for it at some place like we're recycling everything we can possibly recycle. There's only so much demand for this garbage even properly sorted beforehand and yet people continue to recycle. They continue to be aggressive about trying to put as much of their garbage in the recycling as possible because it makes them feel good to do it and reducing the bandwidth on Net. Flicks is really just doing that. And Saving Netflix. Some amount of money. But it's allowing. The netflix viewers feel twists. They should put on a mask instead. That's the only important virtuous signaling. That needs to happen right now. Put on a damn mask. Well you could also just not go public at all but when you are in public if you put on a mask you are if nothing else encouraging other people to do the same. Well I found because I've been carrying a mask with me for years now partly because I spent time in Asia and both because of high pollution and the normality of mask-wearing there but I started wearing a mask all the time in public somewhere around the middle of February and it was great for social isolation because people avoided me as if there was something wrong with me for wearing the mask and so I would be in the supermarket with my mask on and the I'll I was in would empty immediately and people would come turn into the aisle. They'd see me wearing masks. They do a u-turn and take the next style house. Like no sauces spices or pasta for you sir L. So if you put on headphones at people don't try to talk to you unless you're a woman how we're all fans of decentralized and distributed peer to peer technologies. They're very important. But historically there aren't a ton of examples of popular success or things that have penetrated the mainstream in a way that was actually visible and with bittorrent and with kind of pure file sharing that is actually one of the systems that really has had a meaningful impact on our world and in crypto currency. Many many people have kind of look to that as an example of what we could eventually accomplish in terms of penetration in terms of impact. And things like that so brand. You are in the process of creating. Believe your intestine now. The project called Chia. Yeah and she uses a variety of things. It effectively tries to build on top of sort of what bitcoin has accomplished. And then make a bunch of things better about it and so today in this conversation. What I'd like to talk about is how you are making those things better and Y. Those are things that matter and are important to actually make better and I think the place to start with this is with the different consensus mechanism. Which you've design which is called proof of space and time right. Yes forgive my ignorance please. Because I haven't heard of your project yet but is this Chia pet or as in seed or something else. Chia pets are called Chia pets because the actual plant you put on it is oh okay. So it's kind of like full circle yet. No this was actually done by the Aztecs. The Sky from San Francisco who actually coincidentally used the same trademark lawyer weeded found out about this thing that the ask texted decided to sell them as novelty gifts and his trademark was only on the term Not ON SHIA. Generally because she is a grain. Did you get the trademark on? I'm not sure exactly. Current status wake tech companies can name themselves after vegetables next. You're going to say there's a company called Apple. Apples are not vegetables so the origin of the company name. I guess you're supposed to make up some excessively touchy feely story about who you love the world's on coming up with your name but the honest is story about the name of the company. Is we have farming instead of mining. Come up with this tournament. We were talking about names for the product and I mentioned a couple of farming name and everybody liked it so I just went and looked up on wikipedia list of grains. And I've always told people if your company misspelled name. Don't do it and make sure it's gluten free and also these just technical requirements of a company. Which is somebody needs to read. It mentioned it to somebody else in person that person needs to remember it and web search for it and find it and so I applied that criterion to a list of great names in combination with what was reasonably open from a trademark standpoint and came up with Chia as the obvious winner among that list Amaranth but that's very hard to spell. Yup I WANNA ask. Why brand didn't make the list. I was thinking of calling it. Bram coin because everybody told that joke but people hated it as an actual name. What was the reason to do a different consensus mechanism? And what led you to proof of space and time I love. The name reminds me of one of my favorite books tells the story there. Funny thing with the term proof of space and time at times people have assumed. I was just joking that I was making up some science fiction sounding Mumbo jumbo right and it's like no no that's actually what's going on here. Bitcoin has a lot of very obvious problems. One of them is that it does this mining and when mining is happening you have warehouses full of computers burning electricity. Doing literally nothing. It's a competitive money burning process right like that's the whole point. It's Keynesian stimulus in the most oracle way possible. So can you get rid of this? And there's actually another problem with bitcoins consensus algorithm. Which is it isn't as decentralized as it should be. It's decentralized it does honest to God have this feature that all the miners today could disappear in other people can take over in life. Goes on the database continues to move forward and continues to work which is a great teacher. But you have a handful of entities controlling the mining capacity of the network. And that's not good. That's not something you want to have happen so in this competitive money burning process as hardware has been getting more and more efficient and as the network has been getting more and more competitive. It's basically become almost an industry unto itself right and so that's what you mean by concentration here. Is that the players who are out there who are making money and who are incentivized to do this. They tend to be increasingly large players. Just by nature of that. Hyper competitive factor. There's this very metric which is how many pools would it take to? Fifty one percent attack on the network and the answer is three and the number varies but it never goes above like five and sometimes it drops down to two so it. In very real terms a fifty one percent attack would be entirely feasible. It wouldn't even be hard and that's a very scary thing. She is very much a direct descendant of. Bitcoin is not using any of the same code base because he had used to fix everything which might have meaning everything to be. Rewritten by spiritually is really trying to accomplish. All the same things it's like leads used in actual honest to God DoCoMo consensus. If I'm going to bash anybody. It's going to be people tried to do proof of stake. That's unambiguously a step backwards. That is a fundamentally more centralized thing not Komodo consensus and I'm absolutely doing knock emotive consensus so trying to improve on. Proof of work is something people have done and generally speaking they wind up taking steps backwards rather than forwards people will try and do like a sick hard proof of work. They'll try and make it so that general purpose views are not as disadvantaged against custom hardware for doing mining and that it turns out is counterproductive because that is a battle. You're going lose. You just will lose no matter what because even if you lost by little bit even if you lost by like a factor of two you've still completely lost because the cross of power dominate and. There's no way you're going to get the power usage of the general. Cpu down close to what a custom harbor is doing for a particular minding problem and by making it more difficult to do that. All you've done is create a greater moat around building a crypto acceleration hardware which is going to create further centralization and limit the number vendors of this hardware which is another problem. And that's not something that you want to have happen so disappointingly there. It's like no you really want to just use the simplest thing possible proof of work. The Way Quintas mining is that this plateau of functionality. That is very very hard to do. Better and spiritually. I believe in saying how can we make this much more commodity and that's what I'm doing but on a purely technical level there's the question of what could you possibly use. How can this possibly work? Especially when you WANNA go. Well WE'RE GONNA make it not really require any power because if you say well I'm GonNa come up with something that doesn't need more our like will you not only need it to not need more power. You need to make it. So people can't use more power they can't just do these grinding attacks where they go while just try billion possibilities for what the future history is. GonNa look like pick out one that works out best for me now in Bitcoin. This isn't a problem because you define grinding as just what you do. That's just normal behavior in the system and that's a way of dealing with it clearly works. Bitcoin is an honest to God in the wild deployed is up and running secure distributed database. Which is an amazing thing. But we would like to do better. We would like to make this whole thing wasteful and more distributed and particularly when you're talking about making it more distributed. There's this question of how do you prevent the situation where some people get better? Roi Than others do on investing in this and they become just a handful of players in this market. Who are doing this the best and likewise the waste. It's like well we can make so you're not using power right there but how do we make it? So people aren't just spending money building the hardware and that's where the money is going and we haven't really changed the fundamental economics of what's going on here so there's a loophole very very subtle tiny specifically poll. Which is there is this. Massive resource already extant. There's huge ludicrous. Insane amounts of storage capacity in the world and the way storage works is people by more than they need at the moment and then fill it up over some period of time and so a pretty significant fraction of this ridiculous amount of resources just sitting there underutilized over provision at any given moment so we can just airdrop essentially the farming rewards onto those then anyone who tries to invest in this anyone's like oh. I'M GONNA buy hard drives too far with will once the market settles out eventually be losing money on that because they are competing with over provision stuff. Other people bought this thing because they actually wanted it for storage and paid real market rate but they have access on it and so the cost to them of farming author. That is nothing. They're just getting gravy money. But if you buy the hard drive just for this you're pretty rapidly going to be losing money on your investment because you're competing with these purchases. That people have already done. Isn't that also true about CPU's CPU's on computers and stuff like that? The early days of bitcoin mining effectively. What you had was people not necessarily going out. And buying new computers to do mining they were just using excess capacity on their laptop or something like that and then as time went on. Kinda hyper specialized into more and more sophisticated and specialized equipment. Yes this was still. She's vision and the Bitcoin White Paper Sushi lays out clearly. Read up on Vittoria and it was drawing a parallel here. The idea was that people have already purchased all these. Cpu's and the cost of mining is primarily going to be the depreciation on the sunk cost of the CPU and since there are lots to see us in the world is will continue to be distributed which held up briefly a couple of years. So there were two things wrong with that obviously. I'm trying to make this work. Still a emphasize with the goal at this failed for two reasons number one because hardware CPU so badly at any normal computation and number two because of power power completely dominates the entire thing. And they're places that have cheap power in places that have expensive power so just to clarify here. Maybe I will paraphrase you a bit Bram but basically what you're saying is there isn't a three order of magnitude better hard drives that you can buy if you can custom design a hard drive but there is a three order of magnitude better than CPU. And also the three order of magnitude better. Hard-drive may have more storage but will not give you a significant advantage if it uses a kilowatt of energy instead of the normal consumption. Three hours of magnitude better drive. You would call hard-drive it's not qualitatively different from the one a consumer has right. Yeah the proofs of space are this magical thing storage is storage like a hard disk is a hard disk. You're doing computations. There are all kinds of different assembly instructions that vary between. Cpu's in any specific computation will use particular when there's optimization on it and stuff you notice hard drives all have the same API you finally right to it that there's no difference whatsoever in the API of different storage media. I think it's also worth mentioning because this took me a hot minute on pack in my head when I was first learning about it. Is that unlike other projects that people sort of lump together with your system isn't storing people's data it storing data so it's not a storage protocol it is a proof of data storage protocol. Yeah it's not doing a useful thing it's not you don't download stuff and prove that you're continuing to back it up. That's not what it's doing at all those things. I view is fundamentally flawed. For one list of reasons the two biggest reasons our number one. That's a huge amount of bandwidth to even get started and number two. They're all these crazy attacks where someone like fake stores something especially because all these files are presumably encrypted. Someone can pretend they're storing lots of files and actually these files are just garbage which they have the seed for for the stream cipher so they don't actually have to do the storage themselves to prove that they still have it. 'cause they can regenerate at anytime so that pool approach to doing things is very fundamentally flawed. This is something much much simpler where you go okay. I want to start farming. I have this hard-drive let's start farming any. Just do this thing. Remake called the plot file and it starts farming. And that's it so the process of farming than is you prove that you have this storage space available but none of actually being used in this process. It's just the metric that's being calculated on Distributed anybody can join in anybody can leave basis in a similar way to how proof of work works right so you can think of it as when bitcoin mining is done. It's Kinda like everyone's printing these lottery tickets really really fast. Sh- everyone's running their lottery ticket printing machine and once in a while someone prince a winning lottery ticket and boom they make the next block and life goes on in other databases. Move forward one block. They just spent you know. I don't know ten thousand dollars has generated megabyte of data. But when you're doing proofs of space it's more like you have a hard drive full of Bingo cards that there's a challenge that comes in and everyone goes into what is the closest Bingo card. I have to this challenge. And whoever gets the closest one wins and they make the next block any move on with the next day so there's very important technical. Subtlety here this thing by itself without some new cryptography added is deeply and profoundly broken because they are are grinding attacks. That someone can do these things. It doesn't cost anything to go. Do these cups to try and make the next block. It's like okay. Well I'm just GONNA try a billion possibilities for the next couple of blocks find the one that works out best for me. And I'm now getting more utility out of my storage capacity than I'm supposed to and this is a very insidious and profound type of problem also applies historically that. Someone can rewrite history because they might have a lot more capacity now than the by chain heads through most of its history and so they can rewrite the history to be overall weightier than the legitimate one is and that's another very scary kind of attack. So there's this question of. How do you prevent this from happening? So a critical piece of this whole thing is precise time. Hence the very science fictional sounding cruises space and time that you do this thing where you alternate proofs dispaced impressive time and the number of interruptions which the proof of time has to run for is inversely proportional to the quality of the proof space so better proofs of space. Make the spot faster and move things forward after that so people kind of stick with those and if you combine those together and do a lot of subtleties just right. You can get a working. Nakamoto CONSENSUS ANOC emoto consensus. I should explain it. There's this fundamental insight in Bitcoin. That if you and I get into a discussion of what is the current state of the database. We can't go to anybody else. There's no trusted their party. By definition. There's not supposed to be trusted third party. You and need to be able to figure out what the current state of the databases so we have. A blockchain has a history has a weight. And so if we get into an argument we compare histories in whichever one of them had the most blood sweat and tears go into it. Is the winning one and you and I just can locally measure what the weight of changes and whoever has the weaker one goes. Okay you win. I'm GonNa Accept Yours. So you described a system of proof of space and time for securing a blockchain and getting consensus but is for specific types of blockchain applications is it for crypto currency. What is this useful for? I guess it's useful for having a secure distributed database. So it's taking him proof of work and it's making a better it's making it less wasteful making it more distributed is making it more secure. Okay so let's go through those individually so it's less wasteful because there's no electricity use being done for the purpose of generating the lottery tickets right. Yes there's no electricity being used immediately. And then there's this much more involved explanation of why it is that this hasn't simply moved off. Waste to manufacturing instead of running things in the answer there is because it's a leveraging this already extant resources under utilized okay and from a decentralisation standpoint. It's better because as Andrea was talking about earlier with you there's no comparison to the CPU GPA sicker FBI. Asec in hard drives for hard. Drives the excess hard drive capacity in the world has already distributed among many people. And you can't make better hard drives for this purpose. There's no custom hard drives. That's better for it. Okay and so somebody who would be using this as a mining mechanism. They're hard drive. Space isn't being filled up by this process or it's not really being utilized at all. No no it is filled up by. It's just what you want to actually use your hard drive for something useful. You just delete potsy of free space okay. So it is occupying at but it's not storing anything useful there. It's just doing that instead of the standard. You know computational based proof of work puzzle solving as correct okay. Gotcha so you've changed the thing that we're measuring but not the reason why we measure it and the thing that we're now measuring has kind of more flat scale as opposed to you know the greater differences right. That exists on the computational side. So what else did I miss about it? What other parts about this better than what Bitcoin does? And why so that's it? General Consensus Algorithm Layer. Thinks that's been a huge lift for us to do. Came with this whole plan for space time and all that it needed was like okay great. Let's invent proves to space. Let's invent Proust's of time and let's figure to actually put all this together so it's the proof of space on one side and then the proof of space by itself is insufficient but putting it together with proof of time makes it so that it creates effectively. Nakimora consensus compatible protocol. It is an echo consensus protocol right together. But you were saying that proof of space by itself has all sorts of attacks yet invented two different things and you put them together in a way that actually accomplishes the same thing that bitcoin does but without all the problems. We've been discussing yet. There's a lot of subtleties in terms of how you put these together in a way that's actually secure and actually stops grinding attack. Which would legit green papers all about. And then the two primitives when we started work on. This videos weren't invented yet so I kind of wind about how the world needed. Vs until people invented them MVP F stands for verifiable delay function. He said looking at the Faq. Yeah I usually call impressive time because it's more descriptive and poetic sure and proofs of space. That was a long rabbit hole proves to space. There's a obvious approach to improve space. That's beautiful and simple Hardly busted his busted by these Hellman Time Space Trade offs which in this context we call helmet tax. This is the same helmet of DC Hellman. Figured this out and it was thought there wasn't anything you could do about this. And I came up with an idea and I explained to Greg Maxwell and he broke it. An eight-week broke it and we've been back and forth a few times and then he was like okay. I can't bring it anymore. I'm not saying it's secure but can't break it and then I mailed Kristof pinchot about it. And then he broke it and then I tweaked it. He broke nine hundred. He broke tweaked. It and he's like okay. I'm just going to prove that. Nothing along these lines can possibly work. Because he couldn't breaking any worked on it a bunch and turns out he couldn't break it anymore because it wasn't breakable so there's these very very involved technical machinations in order to make proof space that actually work properly which has been a big focus of me personally like hashing out the details of this but in the kind of lands you back to where you started. You can intuitively think of it as being a bunch of Bingo card sitting on your. That are in sorted. Order and your intuitions about everything would be correct about its behavior. Even though there's a lot of importantly different technical details So as far as I see it makes a lot of sense as to how it's an Nakimora consensus and the thing that I find fascinating about it is that it's targeting a different supplier so you're not going after minors. Minors don't run large data centers if they do then they'd have a data center company. I mean some of them do but if you run a company you don't have you know exit of storage and so I could get how your monetize ing an entirely different actor class with different physical hardware into becoming a crypto currency minor. So from the sort of securing the network standpoint. I totally get how your eight distinct protocol. That actually isn't competitive where I would like to sort of. Further unpack is on the demand side as a consumer as normally. What would be the thing that she can do? That would make me interested in it beyond a bitcoin. Orna theorem that sort of distinct or different. Oh we have all kinds of amazing stuff. They're very excited to talk about a high level overview of what we're doing so we have an unchained programming environment. That's in the so model is very much like how bitcoin works? So if you look at the different on chain programming environments available you have bitcoins which is safe and reliable in audible and understandable but extremely limited in terms of what it can do and you have a theory and the solidity model which is dangerous and nearly impossible to audit and actually quite expensive but allows you to do basically anything you want so we figured out how to combine these together. We have this unchain programming environment called. Sheila's were all the persistent data that started in the blockchain is just a set of coins but if you use some clever programming tricks it turns out you can do anything. So the resources for running a full known as the locus. It's just a set of current extant coins that you're keeping track of in terms of your programmatic power. You can do basically anything actually much much. Better for this from an auditing standpoint than solidity or anything vaguely like it is because everything's kind of message passing and we actually already have a whole bunch of stuff implemented for this. We've got great limited wallets and while they can only send to an authorized peas list. We've got wallets newspaper backup stone just immediately and everything in case you're worried someone physically compromising your paper backup. Paper backup. Initiates the recovery process. Which if your hardware keys were not lost? You can notice that someone is trying to do this in call it back again and the most sophisticated than we have so far. I'm very excited about. Is We have colored coins so in practice. The main thing people actually use is cerium for is just ear. See Twenty Tokens and Air Sea. Twenty Tokens are very limited in terms of what they can do. They're really just balances where with Chia colored coins and this is written on top of our general purpose environment so you could adult kinds of stuff to it but we have working already Shia colored coins which support inner smart transaction. So all those vaults that I just mentioned you can actually have colored versions of those for people's internal custody even of the colored coins and they support non interactive aggregation which sounds very abstract but it enables this amazing feature. Where if like you want to say. Hey I'll trade Sanchia for some colored coins you can make a transaction. You can make a partial transaction which prince a bunch of Chia and burns a bunch of colored coins into nothing and this is not a valid transaction. Because you're not allowed to do either of those but what you can do with it as you make this offer file and just send it via email post on red. I duNNO WHEREVER. And then anyone in the world can take the other side of this offer and make a valid transaction outfit and introduce it to the blockchain and then we'll go through so it enables this very very powerful truly decentralized exchange one of the things I didn't get so far is you've described the consensus layer and a kind of an application layer around. Chia is there crypto currency involved? It's used as a game. Theory rewards and punishments in the farming. There's no slashing in the farming farming is just not Komodo consensus. Anyone who wants to? Can we have a working tesna today once? We're done recording this. We're going to go launch our data. Actually we're in the process of doing that today. Which is actually going to have transactions on tests net which we haven't had thus far but you can just if you want to farm and you have a hard drive that has like a spare tire by you can download our softer and start farming and start collecting chestnuts yet for now and it works so there is a cryptocurrency that is the reward for farming. Yes it's very very much like. Bitcoin is a database. It keeps track of bounces. It rewards people for making the database progress forward by paying them. In the tokens that the database itself is keeping track is almost identical bitcoin in that view of the world. Okay so far our monetary. Bitcoin irs out there. Can you describe the issuance and monetary policy of this system? Yes so the planned issuance to policy we have is we have a preform. That's significant because that's our whole entire business model that's gotten our investment thus far that's what's going to fund ongoing development once the thing is launched and then on top of that we have farming rewards and those are going to have a few having 's and then get this stop having having just is a constant in out until the end of time but kind of relatively small trailing emissions compared to what's handed out at the very beginning and technically speaking. That's an infinite amount but roughly speaking. The preform is like half of the early. I fifty years kind of stuff. And then there's just ongoing stuff till the time. The reason for having those trailing emissions is a security one that when you have a crypto currency which where people just get paid off transaction fees that causes him very very scary things to happen from a security standpoint and we don't WanNa find of having this but it looks a lot like bitcoin in this just slightly tweaked so I feel like we have to ask about kind of what's the thought behind having such a large amount of the token up front allocated the company doesn't that create centralization risks. Well remember this is not Komodo Consensus. This isn't proof of stake. We have no extra control over the system as a result of having this and Bitcoin had much the same thing you know the first four years. Bitcoin was using her half of all the instruments. As ever GONNA happen so it's not terribly frightened. Not Stand play. Also we're going to intentionally lock up. A bunch of these tokens so the potential thing is that we could just sell a whole bunch of tokens which would depress the price. But we're going to first off promise not to do that and second off. We're going to actually lock up our funds in ways that other people can audit where they can see on the blockchain. These funds are locked up in. Can't be spent for at least this amount of time and also were trying really hard to not allow people to do pumping dumps here. We're not pre selling tokens as people. Want Chia Tokens thing to do is to farm so our final plot permit is not done yet but before we do really our main net everything that's farming tests. Net will by default immediately start. Farming may net once may net as launched and the first few weeks may net are going to have farming awards but no actual transactions. And if you want any actual Chia coins in advance of actual training happening on exchanges. The only way to get them is going to do this. Farming Upfront. So what type of storage is useful for Amazon? You pay different amounts based on how long it takes for them to pull up the data that you store is there some amount of like you know latency requirement in queueing the data? That means that you know. I can't just take a bunch of Arctic storage in mind Gio with it. Yeah you need to be able to do a couple sequential look ups within like five minutes so if your individual seek times like thirty seconds or more. You're basically hosed so not a problem for regular hard drives at all but for you know tape drives. It's kind of not happening. And that's an intentional feature. Okay so I'm looking at your Faq and it's talking about the strategic reserve and it's talking about how your path to adoption involves loaning large amounts of Chia to global five thousand companies so to fairly large companies on a global scale. So why is that the way that she is? GonNa Wind up getting adopted. Why is that like the path that you guys are looking at right now for that well that creates liquidity in the thing and so he has a number of benefits. If you compare to just selling tokens. It doesn't depress the price Fosters demand. Because when you won't stuff out people are going to have to pay back. So they're going to have to create demand for these tokens in the future in order to pay you back as well and that doesn't just make the price tag which is a problem that many things are having now however that's not the main thing that gets people actually using it. That's a business. Model is a source of liquidity. The main thing that gets people using it is. It's a better token people want to use crypto currencies in order to be able to do decentralized financial type things but they don't want to have this like carrying around wads of hundred dollar bills feeling that bitcoin does. She is a great solution for that. If people want to own token issue ince's but don't want to roll their own thing from scratch they can just use a Shia colored coins. And you just pretty much press a button and you have one and that has much more functionality. Going into the future than the twenty tokens do that has all the same. Kind of not carrying around wads of hundred dollar bills benefits to it. Can you explain that a little bit more? I don't understand. What is the wads of hundred dollar bills feeling with bitcoin? Bitcoin cash and carry your bitcoin. Wallet get stolen. You lost your money. So they're all these features that banks to provide you. Where when you send someone money gets held up for bid. You can notice that it shouldn't have gone through and can call back before the time is up. There's a whole bunch of things like that that banks do. They don't do it well. They don't do a transparently they don't do it with end user control but it's a lot better than just literally paying cash for things. There's reasons why people don't like just taking a suitcase full of cash and bring it somewhere just from a security stamp okay. So what are the features and Chia that are like? Can you refund a transaction or something you can build these things? You can build things so that like I can make a wallet such that every time it does payment it gets held up for some amount of time and then I have some other key does in cold storage so if I get hacked and someone just drains my wallet I can go. Looks Like I've been hacked and I can go back to my cold storage key and get that back in. Call this back and regain access to my phone's there many similar things to this. If I do regular payments to vendors I can have a wallet that can only pay to authorized payee's so I have like an employee who has access to this wallet and I don't want that employees getting fished and I don't want that employee embezzling money so I can make it so they can only send this list of vendors. Basically covenants literally cuts so now wreck me. If I'm wrong but using the primitives in Bitcoin and with you know continued additions to those primitives that are continuing to come out of the developing process. I think those are all things we can do in bitcoin maybe not today but at an aspirational level right undress. Not Today because there's a feature that would be required in order to implement confidence and it's one of the proposals for Future. Addition to tap script does are also it turns out rather limited so this gets pretty defend the weeds pretty fast but a bunch of the changes that are made in. Shia that make it really good for this kind of stuff are things that would be very painful to do in bitcoin. So in principle you can always just make an extension block and then you can change everything but bitcoin. Core is extremely conservative about. That kind of stuff isn't going to do anything. That big was like years of a proven system showing that it's worth doing but you have. These technical changes like the format of transactions is vastly simplified. So that the programming language itself can talk about transactions in analyzing milica done and in Bitcoin. It's very very complicated. Gets gnarly to do the kind of strangling. You need to talk about them. Also in all transactions go through simultaneously and in Bitcoin and theorem either serialized. They must go through in some order within one block and that proves to be. Highly problematic does not interactive aggregation feature. That I said is very very dependent on having everything through simultaneously which also makes it much easier paralyze authentication box by the way does law so gone down. The rabbit hole is going. How would you improve? Bitcoin script ends. You know in principle. Bitcoin can do all kinds of stuff in practice. Even though I'm staying within. What is the spirit of Bitcoin? The actual Delta the damage done to the legacy running system to try and support a number of these things is so huge that bitcoin may do these things eventually. But isn't going to for a while I would say is some of these types of features are things where bitcoin core might consider it once she is successful at doing it in has been for a while and there's greater comfort with doing some of these more extreme kind of things which aren't by the way stream if you start that way but shifting its gnarly while Bram we really appreciate your time today and for going kind of down this rabbit hole or series of rabbit holes with us the of a very interesting approach towards Nakimora Consensus. And frankly I'm looking forward to seeing the protocol come out so I can give it a try you know. I didn't do as much early. Bitcoin mining as perhaps I wanted to and it seems like there's an opportunity here if you've got a computer sitting around with some spirit hard drive space. If people are interested in your project they find out more about it. People can go to shop dot net and download it and run it and play with that. We've got tested out already. Once it's up and running and you've got some more real world experience with it. I think it would be interesting again. Assuming that everything goes well to see how all of this goes. Entraps dig into some of these changes a bit more because it certainly is an interesting way to think about some of the problems that bitcoin has been a very curious to see if your solutions wind up working well okay folks will. That's a wrap on episode four hundred thirty three of. Let's talk. Bitcoin. Thanks to everyone for participating. Thanks to everyone for listening. You can find episodes every Sunday on Qantas Dot com talk. Bitcoin DOT COM and of course. The show's dedicated. Beat at Elsie. Show DOT COM EPA sponsored by e Toro Dot Com and purse dot. 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Episode 37: Fantasies

Sex and the Sarrah Rose Story

45:44 min | 11 months ago

Episode 37: Fantasies

"Which? It Sex and Sarah Rose I'm Zeros and really quick before we get into this episode I know you may have found my podcast his you're looking for some interesting information about sex listen to the will you may not knows that I actually work with a lot of men to help them tap into their inner bass have the sexual confidence. They've always desire to have and to know once and for all that she isn't making it. I. Have Two distinct programs to help men. The first is for men who are ready to take the first step towards their powerful sexual energy in getting better in bed it's called sex stallion training in it's an online program for you to do on your own time in the privacy of your home without a partner. This is her men that are single in a relationship or dating people. The second is called man on fire, which is the only sex university just for men this six month program designed to help you become the ultimate sexual master for six months you train with me in live online sessions. Will. Be The best lover that she has ever had. If, you want the sex secrets that every woman wish you knew, and you wish that every woman had told you, this is where finally revealed checkout more Info at Contra doctor-patient dot com or just check out the show notes in the podcast. APP. You're listening to this rim now and there will be links therefore for you thanks and enjoy the show. It's sex in Sarah Roseanne. Today I'm here Erin Hickok. Today we are talking about. Fantasy. And the reason this came up the reason I say we talked about fantasy a first of all it's a big deal but I, so many instagram DM's from people talking about their fantasies and there's typically a lot of shame that they have associated with it. They're like have this fantasy? Is there something wrong with me and they'll like tell me this amazing fantasy that reading and like Oh my God like us fucking high. That's amazing. What an awesome fantasy in various. Is this normal is something wrong with him and it makes me sad, it makes me really sad that people have have that. Like all other aspects of our sexuality that have been shamed for. So long amnesties another another one of those. So I think we should have some fun with fantasies. I would love to hear fantasy of yours. Do you WanNa hear a fantasy that hasn't been fulfilled or fantasy that has been. Oh. Well What Kinda WanNa hear, both let's start with one that hasn't been fulfilled yet. Okay So. Tropical totally. Tropical. Beautiful. Beach. Like A. Shack on the beach and like a week with my lover to explore to explore. All. All of them and just like the time and devotion to pleasure with lover that much focused energy. Yes I. It sounds amazing. Any specific beach? Look. You Know I. Am I am open but I do know that has very white sand a very crystal. Turquoise water. It's breezy. And are, you having sex on the speech Yes. So is it a? Is it a private beach or are you an exhibition EST? well, in my fantasy, it is a private beach and I'm also an exhibition. So. If you if you got caught, it might be all right. It might be on Ray. I think I would like to I would like to have the whole week. So maybe just get caught once. Good. So. Let's say I. had. I mean, I think dreams are also fantasy because you know it's like the subconscious playing out different things that can be fantasy and put an always. But I woke up yesterday morning and I was just in such bliss because I had had I woke up from the most amazing dream. One of my lovers who is definitely like probably my favorite he's in Canada and so. Not. Really much way to see him right now in. So it's been a while. Then like almost seven months actually and. Has So but we still message in you know do like them Redo the whole virtual sex thing which is hot super high like. Crazy fucking hot, but it's still not the same you know and like God I just had the most amazing dream just I feel him on me and I could smell him and just tastes like it was so vivid like everything about him was so clear and a out of course I woke up I was like Oh my God. I have the most amazing dream about you in there like that went into. Spun virtual stuff. But yeah, I can't wait until he gets his hands on me again. It's All about sharing fantasies also like with acceptance like the flirtation and. I just love that. Yeah, I know. So having sexuality like why? Why would fantasy? So why are people so embarrassed of these things? You know it's a similar with masturbation or watching porn or being attracted to different types of people having different kinks like just shame shame shame shows up everywhere and that's really my desire is to help people into to be someone who is talking about sex in these open ways. So that would it can become more normalized goal can realize, hey, I'm not alone. And I clearly, we're not the only ones doing. This are a lot of people thankfully leading the way with us. In. In this. Revolution of unlocking our sexuality again but there's still so much to do around him. and. Like fantasies are just are our desires like in what in that is really the root of this like desire has been shamed and. Desire. Like it's almost in this culture like it's not okay to to have desire is not okay to to really want something if you see somebody that really wants something goes for it they often are put down for it and like so I think even deeper than just fantasy desire is shamed. And that's one of the things that I love about time tra-, the tantric tradition is. Focused on desires, it's like really experience your desires go fully into your desires, find out what your true desires are like not just the surface desires but go deep deep deep like get to the root of what are you really really want in. Then from there like create your life in a way that you can live and fulfill those desires and that's very counter to to most spiritual teachings most spiritual spiritual teachings are. More along the lines that are desires, batter desires are wrong. We shouldn't have desires we should disassociate from desires. We shouldn't have worldly pleasures, things like that are worldly pleasures are desires keep us from God rather than in Contra it's more of. Experience fully experienced this presence experiences life this body that you're living in right now fully experience all of this and that really to me ties in to to fantasy. I think that is brilliant Sarah Rose and I. Think you've hit the kneel on the head I have. That's my experience in in going after what I want I like I've had external. Like resistance or like people have. Had conflict with me because because of that that that pursuing of that desire and we see we see it all the time in our society exactly the same way that we see. We see people being shamed for Master Britian and we see also yeah, I like the you're talking about people with like different expressions of what feels good to them of who they love Ray and it's like this this practice own being with life and digging deep into the desire because we will we get tricked. If we just go on that surface level, we get tricked into thinking. We desire this we've got really feel it and see what it is and you know what's in there is your beautiful light that wants to be creatively expressed in the world like this. This is what's great for people feel so good to just. Be Lit up. With like the thing that you're on purpose for people are searching, for purpose, their passion and people are talking about that. We here's a space where that that is in that grows and and sexuality isn't just like having sex with people sexualities as beautiful energy that it's our responsibility to circulate to circulate with with people how we choose to do that, and also with our creations that we're making in the world are creative flow is to regularly tied to our desire. It's. Living life lit up. Feels incredible and if people knew what was possible on the other side of trauma on the other side of shame on the other side of blaming and projecting just all of that like, yes, you have to walk through the anger, the sadness, the grief, all the different pieces of it but what is on the other side? It is magic pure magic and you were the one who contains it that's what's so beautiful. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. We goes as. We right. Like I've been since really pursuing my passion getting really like embodying Tong tre in going for it in creating a company and brand like just I had this desire to create a a revolution to be part of this bigger. This bigger revolution that's happening to to be a leader to really get. Out there to the masses so that way people could have amazing incredible sex and. I've been attacked so many angles like you know people trying to come out me Oh, you're a woman you can teach men about sex. Oh you who do you think you are talking about sex? Who Do you think you are having a business like that? Who Do you think you are putting yourself out there in a sexy way you're holding women back. Like everything does you're doing is is the way you express yourself as totally against what we need to be doing for progress things like that. Just attack attack attack attack attack on laid desires, and my desire to help people breaks through all this shit and you like the more visible you becalm the more attacks are the larger, the peanut gallery gets and so. People just love live to bring you down in. It's ultimately because they are so unfulfilled in themselves they're not fully expressed. They're not self actualising. They're not letting their their desires lead their way I have the motto that I live by pleasures may true north and like if that is really how I'm living my life like what is lighting the up what is making my pussy wet and if it's if I'm not doing that if I'm living their lights in. Those ways. Then I'm denying my pleasure I'm denying myself my desires I'm not going to solve actualize. I'm not gonNA live the life of my dreams and most people just aren't most people are really unhappy and they're stuck in the status quo they're stuck in the grind and like I've been there I've been in that state of of suffering and just you know doing the day to day not feeling filled and being in relationship that I'm very unhappy and and like. I've done that I don't want to go back to that and I don't want other people be living like that. So like I spent my life trying to help people out of that so they can move into. Living a life that is one of like bringing that fantasy into their body in creating it is reality and that's one of the practices that we do a lot in the man on fire program is. Seeing themselves like this vision of themselves as the man that they truly desire to be like the fool expression of that man in bringing that vision inside of their body and experiencing it at five senses reality and like from that place you can you see that in your your brain starts to take action steps moving you into that life that you. You've seen that you want to live that you've just created new you're making internal physical reality, but you gotta start with what do I really want what I really desire. Process of self discovery is the key is the key to everything. It's not pathway of self. Exploration and self expression. And then we keep doing it. We keep playing again and again because the desires don't stop, they just stayed just get bigger. They're just like I did this like what's the next step and the next and that's why it's such a joy to share those people because it is just so brilliant like what is possible in all areas of life relationship in sexuality in business this is all connected this all connected to anything that we uncover for ourselves and get to know like in our own self discovery. Of course, it applies to every area of our lives, of course, will up level, and then of course, there's GonNa be more desire and more discovery. The exactly what I said last night I was telling them about how like win. I started this process as I was doing the man on fire class last night in was towing the guys about a really take this seriously really go for like fully embody this because that's exactly what happens. You will have some desires and you will think like Oh this is the ultimate right and then suddenly you're. Living that ultimate, and then he want more in his like, okay. What snacks Gimme the next like this isn't enough and like it's so amazing is really empowering to have that type of say that conscious say in your life rather than just being at the play of the world around you. Clearly, we live in a physical reality. Clearly, there are limitations that we have based on not physical reality. But. There is so much of reality that isn't based invisible rally that's just stories that we create in. So use your fantasies to create the story of the lights at you. WanNa live and when it comes to sexual fantasies like don't be ashamed of them. Love them enjoyed him like they're juicy blissful. There's they're like you know what I get the some people do have sexual fantasies that really bothered them like for instance, if a woman has a a rape fantasy and that really bothers her. She doesn't want to have that. So there are ways that you can. You can work with that in in in a couple of different angles. So you can work around it to figure out the root of the rape fantasy. Where's that coming from a lot of times because of the conditioning that women have that sex is dirty, it's dangerous is bad at that shows up in then being attracted to. Something that is dirty dangerous or bad because they have that association with their sexuality and it takes that to feel turned on if women have experienced sexual abuse especially from Childhood in, they have that violation as part of their their sexual association, and then that can be what's necessary for them to feel turned on. So in a way, that's a that's a kink that. Has occurred at some point in their lifetime, and so there are ways to to move through that to to heal that and also but again, like shaming yourself for having that is is just going to to cause even more pain and you know it's it's not your fault that you're having having these some some women though they they haven't had any type of sexual. Abuse and they still get off on something like that. It's a type of rape fantasy. So there's our sexuality is very complex and it's not just from this lifetime like we have through epigenetics. So many lifetimes of genes expressing themselves in us that that play out in in the subconscious and in the unconscious as well and kind of come up in these ways so. But again, just starting with self love self acceptance is going to go so far in helping you heal and just begin to enjoy sexuality. Absolutely I feel like the. Natural tendency like in our culture is to shame and blame things and we're brought up that way and like I understand that that's like the automatic. Response, but the acceptance in self love like you said, like that is the pathway for for us to heal those parts of ourselves and we can't even find. There's a whole spectrum of play and pleasure possible If if we if we just let ourselves, see the possibilities and. Maybe, try new things for cells and help bring us more kinds of pleasure from workplaces you still getting hit. It doesn't all have to be like super dark address. This thing it's like, Gosh, like what's beyond that? There's so much. There's so much possible end. There's so much. I think something people should know there's so much sensation klay that's not even like necessarily like sex or what people might call stacks. There's like there's like that whole spectrum in there. That's really fun for us to do even with ourselves like for me I went through a whole process because I was raised by someone who was very abuse and so my relationship with sexuality. was very worked, and so it took me took me a whole process of first getting clears myself in my sexuality with myself like doing Taoist practices. Discovering Tatra, doing those kinds of exercises both physical like moving energy in my body and that kind of thing. But also the emotional work of like, oh wow I have like not ever felt safe. They haven't felt safe to express myself, and so I'd like like disowned this part of myself in it really took me coming to terms with. My upbringing and really making a very conscious shift into expressing myself in new ways on purpose like really actively doing it on purpose to bring myself into a space of. A acceptance around that trauma. But what I didn't know is how much it would give me in my creative expression in my my day to day. Life like how much energy I feel when I wake up in the morning how excited I am I to go to work like I didn't think about that. I was like, Oh, I, discovered this wounded place and I just noticed that I was shut down and I decided. To do it, and if anybody out, there is thinking about it. Gosh. There's just so many amazing tools to help. Move through trauma. If you're anything like me really took trying a lot of different things, a lot of different times and then finally just choosing to commit the two chunks of time to really master my own practice and discover what was on the other side. Yeah. Absolutely. Like I've done Liz long long term trainings to like really move through own stuff. We have so much conditioning. We have so much stuff that is just their piled on hop of our truth, our essence, our joy our bliss, and it takes commitment to moving through it but. I think that it's Keeping, your your eye on the prize. What's on the other side of it was the what are the desire is that that you you really want in in knowing that you can get there and it's just GonNa take some work to do that. I would love to hear another fantasy. Should this time I do one that's been met. Okay Okay. So excited because this is one of one of my favorite fantasies an honestly I felt really embarrassed about it at first. So I had my birthday last year and I had this amazing. Amazing. delectable cake is gluten free. It was double chocolate cake it had caramel filling. And the icing was. It was espresso icing. Wow, like amazing. Amazing. Amazing Birthday Party. It was such a joy I loved it so much. And after the party there is there's a bunch of cake left and it was sitting on my counter. And leader that night after I got home I, just thought sitting there and I just. Gazed at it and has like, oh my God, like i. Want that cake all over me. That would be so hot right just from looking at it and. You know. Like I can't I can't have. Like. I'll make a mess in the kitchen and water. My roommate's GonNa, say whatever. So I just cut up the cake in chunks in, put it in the freezer. And I just left it in the freezer. For months. You'll so sad. I know but I you know I, just. Didn't know how to my fantasy Matt. But I thought about it while it was in the freezer I thought about all the ways that I have grown. From my upbringing in that had really unique religious upbringing in addition to the abuse Samaya mother. And Just all the things. I had done to reclaim myself and so about six months later I just was like, all right. It's time I need to do something about this and I called a friend and she's having a party and and I was invited to come over and I asked her if I could make a special requests for the after party. And she said, well, you know tell me more. So I told her that I had this cake and You know wanted it to be squished all over my body and and told her had been my birthday. So she said, yes. She said, yes and I was so nervous to call her and they'll so nervous afterwards. Oh now I'm going to like. Get my feet AC-. Met like the cake sitting out on the counter. Sawing overnight. This. Like it's like such a turn on every time I look at like Oh my God. I'm going to have wiping. So excited, and of course. I come to the Party and. My friends who helped me meet my fantasy it wasn't just my one friend actually had a collection of. Men and women who? Cut Up the cake into little little square. So I could. They were easily squish, -able and I could feed them to people, and while they laid them out on the table, my friends are so inventive. I just thought of the Cape but they were like Oh, we're taking this whole new level so. my friends all saying me happy birthday while they spanked me in front of the. And everybody loses walking in taking turns leaking. That was so awesome and then I laid on the table, it was like a kitchen table they took turns actually. Yeah. They took turns squishing the cake all over and just like rubbing it into my skin. Would feed people cake. Then one of my friends brought over. A full length you're. An old it over the table. So I could see what I looks slay cupboard in. A fraudster. It is just such a really. It was such a beautiful moment that I asked to get my fantasy be met. I found a way to do it even though I wasn't in like a particular romantic relationship. and. The beautiful car is at the end of my friends they soon loving the cleaned knee with towels of hot water? Off and it was so. It was so sweet and sensual at the same time I. Didn't even expect that in like now I have fantasy about being washed but. It was just a really. It was such a cool way to literally freeze my fantasy for a while and like get that like. I really do want this to happen and said, take action and have it turn out so. Just, satisfying, great, I love it. So you had the fantasy you took action and you I created it. You knew what your desire was in. You took action towards it in. That's so beautiful. It took a lot of courage to do honestly like it was. It was scary like scared. But I you know I. It was the way that it could be could be safely done like in a way that I was comfortable. With people that I was comfortable with. And and look what happened like even more fantasy fantasy was met and created from experience. So. Okay. I had maybe similar in. You're there you got to experience it. At a birthday party a few years ago with two of my bff's just to favorite people in the whole world and one of them we have the same birthday and then the other one hers is just a little bit later than that. But I had a fantasy of having a huge blowout wildcat birthday party and. I had this vision of like all of serving. Could cow drinks and like having these sexy women walk around in. Like bikinis of. Cheetah print things like that wearing their high heels serving these drinks. The. In champagne glasses. So cow in Champaign with like all these different Have, like aphrodisiacs things that are just gonNa have people really feeling high and turned on and really excited we had amazing Dj just awesome dancing all night long. I had a poll for like pole dancers and a spank station. In, of course, my gay has been case Erickson who have had on the show gave me the ultimate spanking night like you'll always does. is so awesome but I would say, probably the best part of the night was the CA- Cow Pool A. It was a blow up pool but like an adult size one because we were in this big art warehouse and the pool is filled it with ca cow and coconut oil and. Water to cow coconut oil and like everybody's just getting in it and just you being in this luxury as could cow elixir the had been created and Oh, a got so much fun. Just dance all night. Definitely. One of the highlights we had about three hundred people at that party. It was a good one. It was so sexy like the energy at that party was off the charts like everyone because it was wildcat, right? So the everyone was like. Everyone. Came in costume. Soak it in that pool. Oh, honey really like talk about creating new fantasies like, yes, please. Yes. A man that was fine. I right now still so good a party like that WANNA party so bad. Yeah we did the whole thing there is. No alcohol it was like twenty, sober party. Another like against having to drink. But like news nice for everybody just to be able to party save so much fun and like not be in just beyond like these these. elixirs that are just really like lifting the vibration super high. Yeah, I. Think. That's so awesome. You did that and really refreshing. I'm not against drinking, but I don't do it very often, but there's something. So special when people do like a like a ca cow ceremony together like there's like a journey that happens with a group. That's really special. Yeah. So I didn't use this cow but I, actually went to Guatemala a few years ago and worked with the Cacao Shaman there and went into ceremony and so amazing actually came back with fifty pounds of cow in my backpack. And I had to get back to the airport like took a walked to the boat and then took the boat to a bus, took the bus to another bus and then the airport. So it wasn't like Ito having fifty pounds a cow, my backpack, which is some easy thing. Just throw it in the cab. I had a word. Hard for vodka cow. I still have some of it, and thankfully one of my friends I as a place in Guatemala he'll bring Branca cal back and so I'm able to buy some from him pretty regularly to keep my supply. But I love cow it's like my favorite thing to work with because it really does put you in bliss state in her opening stay and you feel just the natural highs, but it's not in any way like. Totally overtaking you where you're not still in control of yourself. You know it's not gonna it's not only alcohol where you get drunk or you're not gonna get stone from it. It's just like a really nice lists state to be in. I love it. I love heart opening. That's that's exactly. It's one of my very favorites for connecting with people on a really deep level having a lot of joy. Yeah. It's really beautiful like with a lover Cheo to like have share that and then make love not stayton. New to see. See. I wonder who wonder? Analysts they. I'll drink accounts in my island. Yes definitely definitely good cow on your island. So I would like to see what kind of fantasies come up from the deck today. Good Student I. got us a fresh pack today. ooh. I made me what? Own, my Gosh I do love this deck so much. and. Thank you beautiful people who have been listening and getting the download off the website. It's so fine to have you adjoining the conversation for other DAX and. Is just been awesome to see. I'm would love to hear by the way. Your responses are when you play the Game I love hearing that from people so. The. The the coupon code expires last week in you and I hadn't realized it. But the listeners realized it and I got so many messages the coupon code is expired the Lincoln working. I was like Oh we got okay we'll get sick. We just put out the expiration date in the works be on the lookout in future shows. I'M GONNA put together a new deal for you guys. So we'll keep with the same run right now but I thought after we did that Gush we should update that do something maybe something different. So It while it's hot friends get tied up. So this is what the cards look like many. Very I come out of the. League have mutiple they are. Sex by the way, it's called the intimacy deck. Online because if you use the word sex. Sometimes to get flagged with stuff, which is just For. Lots of staff nights. It's like why we're doing this kind of work? Yes. The attack on sex. silly. Alright. Do you WANNA pick a color? Or. Do you want me to just? I would love. ooh, feeling very fiery. Show me the red. Red. Woo a turn on airings. Off La- turn off during sex. I mean. If. He just can't find my clippers like that's Kinda rough. It was actually recently having sex and really liked the Guy Lake. Super Hot great energy but lay in the sex was really rough which I was. Okay with I don't always like rough sex but I really did want to be just like fucked tonight and so like I was definitely like happy to have like just the the rough sex and like. Oh, my God like he just couldn't find my it at all in like he was trying to he was like behind me M- like doggy style with his hand coming around and like. I get. In, it's hard angle to like stay on the clip from that angle but I'm just like then don't do it. You know like Blake moving his hand away because it was just making it more uncomfortable than anything. So that was definitely like not the. Dot Part of the sex was not something I was happy with but the the rest of the sex was definitely like very satisfied. Yes sometimes, there's just a thing that doesn't quite work. yeah. Yeah. It's just was our gang. Yeah I would say a turnoff for me. I've really do not like anything in my ears and I've had people I don't mind if people like kiss you know my neck and but any tong in my ear is like math. I just do not I. Do not like it. It tickles and also it makes me kind of combative. Keeps like I'm not into it. So. Yeah usually I. Don't know. I guess I mentioned that sometimes. But the I don't I don't. Know. What about the eyelid? I would. I actually have had somebody like very lightly kiss my eyelid and like under like my eyebrow kind of light and that was sexy, but they weren't like licking it. They were late late kissing kind of. Blowing on it a little bit which was nice. I. Had One lover with him anymore but. He was really like there was just no boundaries between us at all like. There was just nothing off limits and we gone like super deep together and we'd been together for awhile and like we were like each other is only lovers most of the time that we were together and so it was like a very, very deep connected sexual relationship and he would do that in like it. Definitely it was. Really. It was a was almost like he was intriguing and. Like it's an area that isn't commonly touched by somebody, and so it was like almost a sexual taboo in a way you know lake. Typically. You wouldn't be like touching somebody there in a sexual way, and so it made it erotic and like it definitely was something it wasn't necessarily something that the. Sensation of turn me on. But almost just the novelty of it turned me on and the. Violation of boundaries in a way like not I don't mean like violating like an in a negative way but just like just. Typical sexual spot was not typical sexual spot and Zoellick this area. He was like going into an area where no one else had gone before kind of thing, and so in that way it was. Definitely. Sexy. Yeah. But I don't think it's something that I've like I'm just having sex with someone that he just met that I would want them like leading eyelid. Yeah I. I don't know. It's Kinda funny. Right like assure lick my post even on my eyelid. I. Think there's something really to be said about novelty. There is something just attractive about something new. There's like this sparkle on it so. You try and it's like, oh What's this all about you know but it doesn't necessarily mean that everything that we try we're going to want to do. You know again or like regularly as something that you really enjoy and going back to fantasy. That's part of the fun of fantasy. It's like doesn't mean that has to be your go-to every fucking time like you just. Try something seaview. You like it have fun with it and you know. T don't then don't do it again or maybe you liked it with one person, but you don't like it with someone else and that's fine to. Who Really. I mean it's expected. I think that we would have like our main boundaries and that we would have different maybe different boundaries with different people like depending on you know level of trust or I mean there's so many different variables but the point is to just explore and and find new things. Better return on in not be ashamed of them. In that is sex in Sarah rose. Paid Saragan things are listening make sure you check out the links and the show notes for everything we discussed in this episode and you can also find out about how you can work with me until next time lovers.

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Episode 27: Sexual Identity

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Episode 27: Sexual Identity

"Which? It Sex and Sarah Rose I'm Sarah Rose and really quick before we get into this episode I, know you may have found my podcast his. You're looking for some interesting information about sex. Listen to the will. You may not knows that I actually work with a lot of men to help them tap into their inner bass. Have the sexual confidence. They've always desire to have and to know once and for all that she isn't faking it. I have two distinct programs to help men. The first is for men who are ready to take the first step towards their powerful sexual energy in getting better in bed. It's called sex stallion training in. It's an online program for you to do on your own time in the privacy of your home without a partner. This is her men that are single in a relationship or dating people. The second is called man on fire, which is the only sex university just for men? This six month program designed to help you become the ultimate sexual master for six months. 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I really love and considered to be good friends, and was so nice to connect with them, but like having girl time is just good. You yes, yes, yes, yeah. What's been going on would. Have Been I have been. Plotting and planning. and. Just looking at like working on my business and working on my personal grow have been my top two. And I've been thinking a lot about creating like what kinds of new decks to create. So. That's been really fun exploration like imagining what that would be through that I decided that I want to I. decided that I want to completely sell out on Amazon. Decks and get new. Even new decks on Amazon Oh, cool! Yeah I think that is going to be a really fun way. The first one that I wanted to of course the sexy Dak.. The intimacy Jack. You're, GonNa make it sexier. yeah yeah. I think actually you know to have more conversations. With people and yeah, bring in like more spice, being bringing more people's perspectives. Like how to expand the deck. Tool so I was actually going through. I'm boxes the other night because I in Arizona now and have not fully packed. Everything so is going through some boxes and. Came across my. Cards against humanities Dak.. Like. Erin. To say I do like that game. I haven't played it in so long, but it's fun. Yeah. It's pretty wild wine. It definitely inspired me to create more games so I her. Do you remember within as so Hawn had the teahouse? Lake not not in the space. It is now, but when it was like in the little the Latinos spot we did you ever go there and play cards for humanity. Oh metoo only God. Those were the days man that was fun. say yeah that this little spot. Dumping all the people in there. To Sip our T.. In you. Know Man. Here. We are now. Are! So it's. You know still in quarantine I have. I've been a lot more active as far as like against the been lot more proactive when it comes to meeting people on e. dating APPs I actually went on one physical date, which was a little bit interesting. It kind of felt like a little bit shocked like the first first big pinscher out Ito after. Two and a half months inside. It was he was really Nice Guy. He was you know like we had great conversation. I didn't feel a whole lot of physical chemistry. Attractive you know and I liked him and everything I wasn't. I? DuNno was totally feeling it, but it was a little bit weird because I after he did. Try to kiss me in ours, just kind of like. Yearly here, we are you know with all this Kovic Shit in like I I can't. Make out with you I. Don't know if you've been quarantining. The ethical literally this is like a safe thanks conversation, but for kissing. Yeah. It was Kinda Weird. It was my first experience with it because like we hadn't had those conversations of like you know. Have you been making out with other people? Have you been you know like I? Don't know what what are you doing with your time? So those? Honestly, it was pretty awkward. Yeah! I can imagine. Here we are like this is what Komen has done to fucking dating. You know because like I definitely not somebody that would have hesitated in the past and like now. I just like Oh. About. Maybe we need to talk more. So. Yeah, and then I don't know. I told you about that. Sex coach that I was talking to. A kind of just let that one fizzle I ended up not really being as excited about it, and then let's say so. There is another guy that I've been talking to for like the last couple of weeks, and we have not met in person definitely feeling good chemistry with him. Just you know through Messaging Service. See what happens in person, but he's like for me. I'm always like okay. Can You keep a conversation? Are you interesting? Are you curious? What are you passionate about? You know wanting to find out these type of things you know he's. He's a really good guy so I. I'm excited to meet him. Hopefully we do that this weekend. In, then let's see today I just matched with another guy that he's friends. She's from Perez and he's also seems to be very interesting as well like. That's a big deal for me. You know like I actually matched with the guy yesterday who? Super Attractive Blake his. On his profile is says yes. Yes, I'm real. I was like. Okay Like your jock do, but you know okay I? Just have a weird thing to right you know, and in in our are limited correspondence. It was very very shallow, and I was just like I can't even deal so i. didn't even reply after like the second back and forth. So I definitely want to be you know somebody that you can have a conversation with Just I can't I can't handle it otherwise. Yeah, yeah, conversation is for me. Yet. That's a key. Key components is not going to work. Unless we liked to hang out and talk. Yeah you know, and there's like there's definitely a balance between I mean it's different with covert right now, but I I like to get out there in meet somebody, but I also want to have I found out like if it's if I. Think is going to be worth my time like some of these guys are just like you know after the first line like. Hey you WANNA meet up and it's like well. I don't know my time is actually really valuable. My attention is valuable and it's going to take me. You know an hour to get ready thirty minutes to get to wherever you are a couple of hours spent with you and like I. Don't have time just to do that if it's not gonNa be worth it so like I've got to get to know you a little bit i. Totally. That is a real thing. I feel that way also about like friendships like everything else I mean there's. I feel like it's like giving giving us a new understanding. And respect for our time there, it is at least for me. This being it. Yeah like online with people on having this time to myself. It's like Oh. Yeah I want to be really mindful about who aren't choosing. Give my attention to. Yeah definitely. So yeah, this kind of worry, mom with it all starting up the whole dating thing in in Phoenix now by by Austin. I do I. Do feel like guys here different, though like every every place has kind of a different flavor of people in so far I'm I'm liking what a meeting here! Guys here actually seem to be pretty mature, which is hot? Mitch. His fucking sexy. IDEA. I love a good conversation. I love like the sensibleness like I'm also into adventure obviously, but the sensible late. You've got your stuff. Got Instructing. Yeah they. You have a job Oh. Since good. Mission source of income. Isn't how is the the fit for your lady? Bits then ooh. Yes, I did get a chance to download my sessions and have a look at the. Information I didn't notice it like. I must've. Sent individual thinking ahead to delete several of them because they were like sessions that were like one second or two seconds long. Like when I started, I must like. Start it or than once or something. Anyway so pretty easy to just delete them and. Have a have a look at. The waves and the rhythm, and then the different times of day, and like length of session I found that really interesting zero have look at of course, the research part of. Playing with it. Are you. Did you notice any patterns like based on sleeper? Time Day or what you've eaten anything like that. I'm kind of sporadic and spontaneous. I've tried a lot of different times of day. There was like yeah, if like late at night like it seems like there's more time to go longer. Later in the evening. For. It's pretty fun to play with. It's pretty I mean it makes noise obviously, but it's It's pretty quiet. And I! Think when the next adventure for me. I saw this article about trying. CB Lubricant So I'd be curious about that if there's like a water based version of that. This silicone sunny tomorrow base. Berge! But I'm sure that there's something out there to give it a try. Nice. Is just supposed to. Maybe help relax son areas. Yeah exactly exactly I mean. I would think that would be nice. Especially I am on my moon. Feeling that might be super great to relax area directly you now. Oh, yeah, that's a good idea how it'd be awesome and I do already use like pleasure self pleasure. Like as a practice during my moon cycle, it helps, relieve cramps and relax me. Just do massaging kinds of stuff, and that really helps awesome. Yeah. There's a company that I like I. Don't know if they have lube or not, but they have a lot of different products, so they might and I use their CBD to help with sleep, and it's actually the first. Product that I've found that has helped long-term Lake sometimes I'll find for things that'll help short term and they stop working. And, this is actually been helping for several months, but the company's called A. Shaman and they have online. You could check and see if they had lake. In any type of Lube, I would guess they probably do. It seems like they have a lot of different types of products. Nice I this is. Yeah, that would be great. Yes! so we'll like we talked before I. Don't have like the any vibrating toys, but I do have this one, Dildo. It's actually made out of granite. Super Heavy duty, and I just love the density of it loved the heaviness of it. I love the cool texture like it just feels really great, and I was sexting with a one a may new. Play playmates. Night and pulled that out. It was a lot of fun, so yeah, it's called. The delayed the IT'S LA ID. And a really had fun with that. It's one that I like a lot even that I don't use a whole, I usually just use my fingers, but. It definitely was feeling like i. want the feeling of like. Inside of me, something deepens I. Yeah. Did the trick so. Hopefully. Before too long, it'll be safe to go out I. Like the Jujitsu schools are opening now and I've been dying to get in there and train, but I just don't WanNa do that either. You know it's just like in any training session. I'll be rolling with. Different people and No matter how clean the school is like how cleaned they're keeping their mats and everything is still the no somebody. Else's been exposed to yeah. Yeah, it is that's like a whole lot of conversations like it adds up really quickly. In the, And curious what yeah I'm curious how people will find solutions like if it will be like small group? That will be. Like the win rain if it's can be. Hold it indefinitely. Grappling with a person is like up like a lot of contact. Yeah. It's like that's like akin to make out level. It really is an even you've got late literally every time you're dealing with somebody else's sweat in your is somebody. Else's sway your mouth like. People farting. Gross. Why the fuck we do, but it's. Good well as so let's talk about sexual identity. It's Kinda. Start doing that because soon. Actually sexual identity is one being by. This starts with our identity. I four like it doesn't even just have to be sexual identity. Identity is these collection of beliefs that we have about ourself rights like these thoughts that give us this sense of who we are the sense of self so already off the bat. You can see that it's not actually true right. It can be very much. Your thoughts can change all the time. The way you view, yourself can change all time right, but the thing is identity is actually really powerful because with what we believe about. About ourselves. It's how we associate with ourselves in then there's like entities that we have taken on so that way we can survive like if we were raised in a certain type of environment where we had to to act a certain way in order to be accepted by our family in order to survive in our family. That's an identity that we take on but most people are living with debt ities that. That are not set at a level of thriving. They're more at a level of survival, and like most people don't even question their identity like they've just think you're. They just go through life. Just like this is who I am, and they don't even think twice about it, but our identities are actually something that we can shift. We can change, and we can choose to take on an empowering identities I like win when we're kids. Kids. We have like this original essence we have. We have original impulses, but like there's nothing really fixed like it's ever changing, but as we get older, we start to construct these thoughts. These beliefs you know in like we make them in some ways like appear to be static been fixed, but really they aren't so like. The the Buddhists have always said this that there is no fixed self in. It's obsolete true in there's. Even been long term studies done on teenagers where they were followed all the way into their sixties, seventies eighties in the what was found was that almost none of the characteristics remained constant over a lifetime. so that's really empowering when you look at how much waste you actually have in your life in your identity how you show up in the world, but because most people don't know that they don't realize it, they don't. They don't choose to empower themselves. They stay. Stay stuck stays stagnant static. Just stay in the patterns that they're in when it's absolutely not necessary to do that. Young I think. It's like for me. It's like the difference between a black and white thinking of this. Always this way like. Versus a multidimensional. Thinking like full spectrum, which is like Caesar all the different possibilities. And I are, anyone could be any of these a mixture of these things. Right, yeah like. They're they're so many possibilities that we have in so much of what we we live with the way we live. Our life is just according to stories that have been put on us, identities that have been put on us, we believe these things we live rely according to these things when we could instead choose the story for our life that we really desire to have, but you know it's it takes it. One of the things I really enjoy doing in my life personally is. Noticing like something new that I want to try something new that I want to experience and like just living that in when I first started in my personal development practices, it was probably like fifteen years ago or something when I started on this jury, and now I mean it was even it was before that, but like I remember around fifteen years ago, there was one specific teacher. That I was working with, and it was specifically health related so David Wolf Flake. He does a lot with talks a lot about superfoods in 'em like that was really big like years ago I mean it's still is like that was kind of winter. I like came front and center, and you know superfoods relate this novelty thing like now. They're pretty mainstream or no mainstream, but they're pretty normal. You know for people that are interested in health. That type of thing in so I was reading David Wolfe spock, the sun food diet in. Paraphrase. Exactly what he said, but something to the effect of if you WANNA be a healthy person. Be a healthy person live is a healthy person. Just live, your life is if you are that and I like I remember that time you like. Wow like it's just as easy as that and I just started doing it like I just started living my life as in the in the way of the type of health. I wanted to Hab. Eating those foods. You know cooking the way that. The type person that I wanted to be would cook. You know growing my own vegetables things like that and like it just it really was as simple as that like. The shift was just like okay now. I'm just going to do it in I. Did it in I've really seen how in my life I'm able to transform change my identity by just simply choosing okay, this is this is who I am now. This is who I'm going to show up as in just doing it. I love it I mean that's really just doing it. That's. Just. A little bit of strategy in there, but like that's like ninety percent. Just stupid thing. Because so many times people come up with excuses in reasons why they can't reasons why they don't, and it's like we'll. or You could just do it you. You I'm sure you've played with this in your life. I love trying on different identities and see like embodying thing. Even if it's like that's why I love Improv like even if it's just for a few minutes to try on being like all of the different things feel what it all feels like because it helps I think I think having multidimensional perspective helps. Create far more possibility magic miracles like it invites in. So much more like for our creativity to become expressed. Especially when you mix in other people like the power of that is just so. So awesome, and whatever kind of identities people like some people will have identities that stick with them more like mean more to them right like specific characters that they want to have part of them wars and some are. It's like we're trying on or a different version of ourselves. Just go back and look at some pictures. You see tons of version of yourself. You know and why not create whatever version is your next version because you are right now by doing the things? Yeah, exactly you know like we live in a society where traditionally it's been like the cultural narrative has been that women are weak. They're helpless, Oracle, overly emotional or dramatic rate in as women. If we look at our if we view ourselves that way, are we going to thrive absolutely nine neo and so like changing your own personal narrative? Like no way I have emotions, but that does not mean I'm overly emotional. A you know like I am definitely like sometimes I need help, but that does not mean that I am helpless. Are there areas of my life in which I am weaker than others, my stronger in some points in some areas and others. Yes, but that doesn't mean that I am week. Right, les. We have these cultural narratives that can be so disempowering. I mean there if we don't consciously shifts them. Than were living by them, and and we're not having the fullest expression that we could, so it's really it is. It's critical that we I think that we look at. What we believe like identity, there's like identity like who we are, but it's also like who we believe that we are. Also who we look what we believe about everything that we perceive around us in our relationship, with God like entity isn't just like US individually. It's our place in the world. And to. It's important to actively program. Look how we want to be in that. Yeah it definitely is you know like there's? There's so many different ways to that. You were just given identities. That doesn't marginalize us. Different people different groups are marginalized because society dictates dictates that in is complete bullshit. You know that's why we see such a rise now and people saying like no I'm not going to be marginalized by society based on the size of my body, the color skin the gender that I am you know all these different things that we see. People Really becoming more expressive in I. Guess like kind of the. It's not the topic of conversation here today, but Kinda the back side of the dark side of that is that is happening. Is that in response to that lake? Some of those people are now wanting to marginalize those who they feel were originally marginalizing them. So. We have a whole new cultural thing that is. Happening, there is always you know issues everywhere, but something you know the part part of humanity another story that we're creating. A Oregon End Aaron. Some people are going to fight. Some people are gonNA play and I really believe that when people who are fighting pause and they see people who are playing, but they will also play. Like that? Yeah Yeah I think for the most part. We don't need to be fighting like if there's an option between the two like playing is ideal on a lot of. aranas know that some of US don't and we're learning, and we're reprogramming, but I would say that we have greater opportunity. As humans to be. More awesome in the in the world like we have more access to technologies. For Upgrading Ourselves and systems that like people like people who had access to the information that we have now like once where like only the most elite people? Right in access so. So much now and we can choose I. Think the thing is like choosing wisely. Ray Rick Picking. Picking who you are becoming. An, actively moving forward on that so that. You can rise. Feel like with sexualities specifically. The ability to play to enjoyed fun comes from feeling whole from fully healed you healing, whatever wounding there whatever pain people have in lake. That's really a huge part of the liberation when a word when it comes to being sexually liberated in when I say sexually liberated I don't mean. As far as going out and just having sex with a lot of people, I mean to feel internally like you are free sexually. You're free to have the kind of sex that you want to have whatever that is for you. Deep intimate sex with a long-term inaugural, partner that is. Sexual Freedom for some people you know in that's amazing, but like one of the things that. My company contradictory, Asian is like. The way the sexuality is expressed can be totally like sixth grade boy bathroom humor. A can be like raw primal sexuality can be just that total fuck energy of sex. It can be totally sacred elevated transcendent type of sex. It can be sexual healing going into the pain, the suffering of sex. So like sex can have so many different expressions of it in. How can you experience any of those? If you're locked into a box, which is you know typically some sort of construct. Put on you and limitations. Put on you by society with like an identity that you can put on of sexual liberation. is to be able to experience like sex in all of its different forms and facets, and just like the joy, the bliss of the Fund, the play that's available for us in all these different ways. Yes. Yom. Yes. Let's have that. Great. Can everybody sign up? They are actually. It's amazing. How many people are signing up the want this? They're like yes. Yes, yes, get me Gimme, Gimme! I think it's even some of it is our permission to just have best like Kinley. Really, that's the difference between thriving in surviving. Right is like oh! What if plan pleasure as part of my every day and what if like my expression in creation and like just being here is like totally worthy. Of. A living well. In late, we sort of think about identity in the identities. That culture gives us. A, it's so fucking random ray, so when we're talking about body shapes like definitely we get pigeonholed into different in at ease based on body shape, but we don't really. The same thing doesn't happen for nose shape right like. So who picked and said like no shape doesn't matter, but body shape does ray or like when it comes to hair hair-color late, there's less of an identity around hair-color. Then there is a round skin color so like somebody was like Oh. Skin color really matters, but hair color. You know your kid can come out blond hair, Brown hair, and like you know it's not that big a deal. You're gonNA be like Oh. You know whatever by like if you were A. It's just. Skin color can be so much bigger of a divide for people. And, so it's just like really crazy. How people's lives get dictated by these things? Yeah I mean it seems much. Easier to just interact with people and find out if they are equality. Quality People like people who wanted to do good things in the world. People who are here to like helping be supportive. What character right that's! That's I think it's far more important than. Yes, silly things like you said just random things that we. Think mean things that they don't. It's just old programs. Sarah is all programs that needs to be upgraded. Young? Air Error Codes we can just upgrade them. We have the technology we have to just do it and take some action. Just, we'll just leave plugger brains into like computer in. Upgrade. Right. I mean that's what I really am going for. The card so honestly is to. Give people away to upgrade the easily like basically no matter what they do, if they interact with it that it will help them. I know. We talked about I'm like going off on a tangent here? We talked about Molly's game. I watched it. Did you like it. Yeah I did like that actually? Did you. have any kind of inspiration for your cards with. I. Don't know if I watched it like. Let me think about it for a second. My cards got I. Mean I could make some games games. That's for sure like it's about holding the Game Oh, yeah. Oh Yeah. Yeah I like the way that she put on a party in that she was she definitely, it was like taking actions to do the thing and I and she also had a lot of character like we were just talking about like showing up in. That was part of the story I felt. I could see you holding gains like that like super super high level networking link intimate intimacy building. A, totally I love it. I love it. I can see that so clear. You like the Molly of. Cards for connection? Love it and. That's so fun. Well. I'm going to need to build a little bit of a team. Doing things at that level a so. I'm going to need some additional clients and to sell some more cards on some great applicants for my team. Well I. AM WE WILL? Let's put your Amazon. Link in the show notes. We'll have that. Let's do that Yeah and I WANNA Hook. Everybody up. Who helps with that the Amazon sell out so depending on which duck you and what your desire is, I would love to give you access to an event or training. The the sexy dot com I'm GONNA do additional lake training videos things to go with that so yeah I'll to the show now. Yeah. Let's definitely do that because I. Am. I'm excited to see what's coming next. Here yeah, we'll have some play tests I definitely want to invite you. It'll be kind of like a Molly's game. So excited seriously like pussies, all lit up. Make some new rainbows of sexiness man like. I'm in. So i. totally went off on a tangent there but. It just. It presented itself. In love it I love well if we're coming back from John, do you have any stories to share with US Sarah's. in these stories have already Blake said so many stories today talking about all the guys talking to. Hockey talked about. Talked about another story to know. I'm feeling excited about moving hope just like hoping to start getting out a little bit. You know I mean three months is all long time, but still just being cautious so I think that's. That's kind of the thing right now like not knowing that. The the level of balance I will say that this whole quarantine day has made me a lot more interested in actually having a relationship in like having one person that I'm having sex with and that I know I can have sex with a person, and it's like not worried about. COVID that type of thing, so not wanting to like Russian to relationship because of Covid, but like still feeling a lot more like that would be really nice like I don't want to spend the next two years dealing with those whole Ito quarantine from time to time shit in just like never be able to have sex because of it so. A lot open to relationship right now. Yeah, you know speaking of opening like I. Haven't done any dating, but I've started like meeting. People outdoors for like hiking adventures united live with I have remained so like we're pretty conscious about what we are up to. But yet it's like having. It's like having safe sex conversations. But like with your friends about like their living habits and Hygiene or whatever whatever it is reached. People's like navigating this whole thing that to me. Has this flavor of like? Yeah like checking people's STI status Behavior stuff, right. Oh Yeah Get so just things that we took for grounded before. Would you know what your love languages? Quality time is my. Most loved. Yeah, it is Muslim an accident. Actually I love to receive acts of service. I love to give quality time. Okay. Mine is definitely physical touch. And so like not being intimate with people and not doing Jitsu. It has been a strain on my body like I. Literally feel it in my body like I just need touch and that's heard of what is so amazing. About Jujitsu is like you can. You can have all that physical contact with people without it being sexual. In something that is really lacking society in this one really rare space where you can have that. At about ACRO Yoga too, but it's the same kind of thing right now with like well. Who are you gonNA play with like. It's like really close quarters right, but I guess you know. Maybe you have a housemate like person who you talk to, and then that's the thing is that you create like a small group of people who are supportive? Of your shared interests and also. Like they got they got your back. Yeah, there's A. Like that, they're going to be responsible in their connections like also like beyond just when they're with you, you know. For sure. What cards do we have today. Any questions the Komo you do is you. Let's kick the questions. Do. All right. Are you ready? Ready! Alright so this one says I've done a lot of personal development work and I. Feel like I'm transformed internally. But the people around me. Treat me as I was before. How do I get them to see me as I am now? Yeah. That's a good question, and that's actually something. That's really common the happens. Is that like? Will do personal development work will do transformational work will go through does growth internally and yet the people in our lives wants you keep us in the same place that we were before, and it can be really difficult to like really stay to become solidified in that that new state of transformation a Trinh, if you're continually being brought back to where you were before, so that's. Why is really good, so you have a strong network of people around you the are going to celebrate you in your new place. The are going to really C. You acknowledge you for where you're at. You know so it's like. It's kind of a I in some ways. It's a little bit challenging because you can see different groups that will do this. Where in the they kinda form almost like. It can be kind of like a cult around like their transformation. Right you know, but you feel really comfortable being around these people because they speak this this language of transformation, they see you in this new place. They encourage your growth that type of thing, but unfortunately what then tends to often happen is like it can be exclusive to other people in your life you know and sometimes. Maybe that's a good thing like people on your life read to go. They need to go, but like. You just want to be kind of cautious and aware of maybe aware more than cautious of like the the potential of like becoming exclusive, because that's not really. A very like great place to be either where you're like, you know excluding people way of like. Oh, well, you're just not like. You're not good enough. It can become very dog matic in judgmental and itself, which is not a space of being evolved or Conscious either so it can be funny how you can see different groups like that which? Kind of start to settle in and almost like go back into the place where they were before, so just being aware of that, but but does why lake as far as the the transformation in like really staying in up. That's why love Rupe. Coaching programs like man on fire is a group coaching program, and it's very group coaching as a lot more effective than personal individual coaching is because of that group environment of being seen by the peers in in the group of being held accountable by them of like showing up in that new space so. When you're going through some sort of transformation I would encourage you to find others in your life that that will see. That will recognize you in that place. Did he other questions common. Yeah we do have one more question. This one says I come from an abusive family and I WANNA stop that. Lineage. Of Abuse. How do I start? Yeah this actually ties in to identity. T like identity. Are you going to take on for your life? Are you going to take on the identity of somebody that is an abuser somebody that has been abused where you're going to take on the identity of somebody that is healthy and conscious, and you know allowing like really living in the state of thriving in your life in the people in your life thriving as well so there's a lot of healing work thought needs to be done in this type of situation like it really is creating a new psychological construct within yourself, and it's like if you have really suffered from abuse, like really look into getting help, find somebody that is trained. That can help you with all of that. Because you know as as you know from your question. I can tell you know that this is is not is not an easy thing. But it absolutely can be done, so it's great that you are that you're really desiring that. What happens is when we grow up in abusive situations. Often, we feel unsafe. We feel like we are unlovable. We create like this a false sense of selves that we live according to, and because we had to for so long in order to survive in so. You can heal dot by by doing practices things. We actually do stuff like this. In the man on fire program to help reconnect with your original essence with he you know. He were originally before the abuse began, but it's it's stuff that takes time. Right is is not an over overnight, but knowing what you desire in continuing to keep your eye on that desire living that life living as that person is is going to take you far in in this in this desire that you have to break that lineage. Uniform all. Beautiful I just WANNA. Say Thank you for saying Yes to help heal that for your family and I. Just WanNa speak. To say on the other side of that healing is really powerful medicine for you, and for everyone that you interact with the. Thank you for taking mess from steps. Yeah like really doing I'm ancestral. In working with parental energies is really powerful. Because sometimes you need to heal for your family lying to really let this go, so it's actually been proved genetically things get passed on, not just in your jeans Whether, your mother was in Feast or famine, or whether your grandmother was in fear, or fell truly nourished by her environment. Like these things create settings on our genes. I'm that show which genes to be expressed, so that's all like in epigenetics in in different mystical traditions. It's always been talked about like things. Get passed on shows up on a biological level, so you can change your epigenetics. You can change your ancestral line, and through different tools and practices that you can really use to heal these patterns. These issues show up so there. There are definitely ways to go about this, but it takes it takes working with somebody that that understands it. That can guide you through it. It's more than just like you know a question I can answer on a podcast. It's specific practices that we would go through. Here I love. This makes me a group programs again. I've done amazing. Group work and leadership were around clearing my lineage, and it took me a lot of personal work in advance of that of a lot of different kinds before ever stepped into like. Really Deep Program. Like that, but it's something that's. Yeah like we have like our superpowers are available through like on the other side of our fear. Yes absolutely. On the other side of her healing yes, yes. You know like we. We have a choice. We can let go of the victim. We can choose empowerment, and sometimes just knowing that we have a choice goes a long way towards helping us take the step in that direction. Much come coming back again, choosing who you're becoming into doing thing. Doing it. Yes Hey Sarah. Aaron, do you? Do? You play some cards. Yeah, he, yes. I think we should do I still WanNa do the sexy wins. I almost grabbed the positive programming ones. Those ones like help reframed. but I feel so like. Really missing the sexy. Let's save the positive programming on for another day. And, let's play the sexy one. would you like to pick a collar? Carrier Wants Well. Trained I'm scanning my body to see where feel the most charge. I always feel and most charge in my pussy. E. Let's go orange. To me. Sexy is Blake. T me sightsee is how I feel it's just like. This energy inside of me. it's a way of moving. It's a way of interacting. Is Way of feeling lit up inside and how that expresses from my body. In my body and pours out of my body. How about you? yet to me. Sexy is of feeling. It's A. Yes a turn on in excitement that. Moves Energy. Inside him. So. I wanted another one but I would. I noticed real last couple of interviews. A did these cards with the guys that I was interviewing, and like I would get one word answers. Would've woods ask. Waiting for the next you know like whether they're gonNa say they were done, and I'm like okay next car. Just see like we can go on and on and on about. Rains. Not to say that all guys are like that I definitely have guys in the man on fire program that are very very very wordy, inexpressive and lake very colorful in their explanations. Of Things Just funny like my experience over the last couple of weeks and it's. Nice to? To get to all the descriptive Jesus. I Pick Brian. This time or dealer pick another color. Go for blind. Appropriate for the show, my favorite kinds of sex stories are blank, blank and blank. Favorite kinds of sex stories are. Let's see actually. I was as my favorite kinds of sex. Stories are when A. Here about guys that I'm working with that. They maybe like their sex. Life with their wife has shut down. And they haven't been having sex in a long time, and then they start having like really awesome sex in there so happy like that really excites me. And then also win guy is working with our having like they've been struggling with something you know in leg. It's really shut down their sexual confidence, maybe some sort of sexual dysfunction or Any type of challenge that they're having sexually, and then like they break through that and start having really fucking awesome sex in like Oh my God. Yes is just it's the best ever I'm really I'm so happy like whenever my clients are having incredible sex lake. It's every as good is, if when I'm having trouble sex, if not even better, somehow because it's like. I'm just so excited for them and I'm so excited. The like what I'm doing is really helping to change lives. Yes. It's like her ROIC heroic sex. Like the full journey. To hold the whole thing I love that. I love that so much there arose. Well. I think that's the story. Paid Saragan. Thanks for listening. Make sure you check out the links and the show notes for everything. We discussed in this episode and you can also find out about how you can work with me until next time lovers.

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How to Have Hyggelig Time with Your Kids

The Nordic Mum

10:27 min | 1 year ago

How to Have Hyggelig Time with Your Kids

"Well Hey there it's gonna the Nordic Mom podcast hosts here again. Thank you so much for tuning in another episode of my podcast where I will talk about Scandinavian concepts. The new living nuke lifestyle and this month we're talking about UK so we already had an episode the previous one which you can go and listened. It's about how to have you get an decluttering your life. Now today we are talking about. How have Gillick moment? And who Gillick time with your kids so if your parents or mother or Auntie this is a great way to how to connect with your kids and still have that comfortable relax lifestyle and you know we kids because let's face it gambill with hard work like I was should know. I have to really rowdy boys but having that cozy comfortable moment and feeling contentment. They kids are creating that just the way that we adult solve so pin relaxed and who really means that being relaxed and being pleasant and comfortable time having Hookah League time is would. You can do with children as well so here. Are My tips haw to have the done again? You already let street hi there. I'M SUSANNA TO NORDIC MOM. I explore how we block the minimalistic natural way embracing the Scandinavian way. Less is more approach in life. I talk nude woman about their journeys and how they live their lives with the new lifestyle salt wherever they have to be healthy living to Scandinavia. Way this is the Nordic mom so here is my six things that you have more time with your kids and how to get started now. The first one is a no brainer. Like spent more time together as a family like kids love to spend time with us. They won to break our brains of questions that they have that they might ask for the thousands of time so spending time together as a family. Whether it's going for those walks whether it's watching a movie having a movie night together that is who Gillick time having comfortable relaxed time as a family playing games now. I have a alert here. It can be nice to connect playing games. But I don't know about your kids but markets get God rowdy and competitive so it might not be as relaxing for adult than you were anticipating and having a card games or just looking at trains depends what age you know. Your kids are. They might have things that they want to do. Which you don't necessarily always find that interesting Mike. You just wanted to go to the train station in which trains sometimes inside okay. Fine so that is an who killing moment having relaxed time together so spending time quality time with your kids is number one number two which I talk about in my previous episode number. Eighty eight eighty nine thirty. You can listen to that when you declutter Uber. New embiid plans and things in your life which are there in ritualized and book. Time is one of those we call it book charm in my house. You might have it reading time Whatever you call it in your home but reading books to your kids. Not just that. They're reading or they're reading a Lot. Which is great for their verbal skills. And they're thinking skills I'm you know talking about spooks but just a you know reading to them. Make sure that you have this comfortable. Newt comfortable corner in their room. Your Room Living Room playroom. Where ever it is that you again read books for him and you can share that moment with them maybe they wanna read to themselves and Li- on a floor with the cushions and maybe you sustain your book. Go and sit with them on the floor and have little hickok moment reading books. It doesn't take that much more. Does it? You might be. That aren't just comes to visit him every now and then just have a moment with them and just read with him if they have already tied up when they beat you up in monopoly. Now the third thing is. How often do we ask from our kids? How was your day so have a moment to connect before dinner before lunch? Whatever time of the day is more suitable and ask how was your day so you can reconnect all of you and just ask how his mommy say? How's Daddy's days? How was so in so day and just talk about the day and kind of offload all those problems or issues you? Have you want to read in the dinner table? Maybe you do it then. Maybe just to just before so then. Unions is concentrated eating which is actually my fourth issue. My fourteen point here is sit down a family meal like maybe because of the shift work or the hours you doing. It is not possible every night. Maybe it's possible few times a week or not even once but find a time that you sit down with your kids and you have that lunch or your dinner as a family meal where you connect where you relax and you have a delicate time with your kids talking paying attention to them and just being there for them and they learn so much from us all the time and they mirror your behavior so if you are uninterested on them and if you're not asking questions well they won't be asking questions from you. How was your day and Dana? Interested on what? Gdp so take the time to connect with your kids and just have that moment to to be there for them so a family meal together at least once a week. Try it or maybe it's a special thing you take him out for dinner once a week or you buy the takeaway and use it out in a Parka needed sandwiches. Whatever it is just make down. Sit Down for a family meal now. The next thing is interesting because my kids and I have to. Putting particularly my auto is quite in a way of. He's so good telling like okay now. I need to relax. And he comes to me and say mommy cannot do some yoga and the first time he asked me this. I was like you could have hit me head with a hammer. Because he's so outgoing sporty rowdy at Yoga. Not The first thing that I was thinking he wanted to do but he did so. There is an youtube channel that we use cold gates yoga. And I would link on my podcast notes in my website and kiss. Yoga is what he does he pulls out my Matt and there's another Matt for his brother and there they are doing Dawood's dog detained cat stretches and worry opposers and they are happy and they are very relaxed and sometimes I joined them if he saw during cooking dinner and we do together so finding an activity sounded it's relaxing like Yoga doing together and let's face it. I am not like a Yogi. I am not hardcore. Who knows how to do them. So you learn something as well at the same time now. My last point is hot. Drink with pajamas on now. It's quite traditional like in England. You have a hot meal before you go to bed but maybe it's an hot. You know Jews like a cranberry choose. Maybe it's a hot chocolate. Whatever the just having the Hood Trink with your pajamas on being comfortable and and Gillick moment just drinking hot drink and just being cozy and sitting there with Mommy and daddy on the so far or cuddling them so it doesn't have to be that difficult just having an hot drink and just being in your pajamas. Maybe it's before you go to bed. Maybe some point in the morning before you struggle. Maybe it's so cold outside if you're northern hemisphere and I really jealous because it's bloody hardware. I am and you just have that dream with your child together so having your Gillick time does it have to be that complicated. Does it eat says needs that you have to be involved and getting things done and being there for children so there you go. How many teams was one? Two three four five six seven seven. Oh six I've lost count but you get what I'm meaning so yeah how to get. And how did you get time with your kids? So if you want to see some of those Notes of this conversation. Then please go and check by the Nordic Comb flux power forward slash podcast and it is the latest episode there and this is episode number. Nine ninety-one why we are. We already on one thousand nine. Oh my gosh you guys are getting confused. Anyway it will be there. Don't worry in a website. Hope you have enjoyed another episode of the Nottingham. Podcast and I will hear you see you in two weeks time. Bye for now. Thank you so much for listening me. Societe now go and check off the Nordic Mom dot com for third resources and reading and this episode show notes and the blog post. You can also sign off for my Phoenix dessert recipe book for free at the website to get you again next week for another episode of the Nordic Mom.

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TX State Rifle Association; Constitutional Carry in LA; Is the .30-06 Outdated?: Gun Talk Radio | 05.30.21 Hour 2

Gun Talk

43:37 min | Last month

TX State Rifle Association; Constitutional Carry in LA; Is the .30-06 Outdated?: Gun Talk Radio | 05.30.21 Hour 2

"Download gun deleo for free today and start saving money get alerts to hot deals by walking into a gun store. Plus offers new products and videos sent straight to your smartphone. Get your gear for less gun. Deleo dot com. Welcome back. tom gresham here. Our number eight six talk. Gun or combat. Tom talk gun easy. You know and people are thinking all land. it's terrible it's the biden administration. They're doing stuff. It's terrible yeah. I get that i understand but also you heard me say we're winning. We're winning a lot of battles in the courts and in state legislatures around the country. Now there are some states where. You're not going to be making a lot of headway. But there are other states where we are in there. And here's the even in states where we're making headway. It's never easy. It is hard to get good. Pro gun bills passed. It is difficult to defeat a lot of times. The anti-gun bills it takes smarts. It takes experience. It takes a lot of hard work and you think that should be easy to texas. You have no idea joining us right now to talk about as andy turner the legislative director of the texas state rifle association. Hey andy how are ya great. How are you will you. You ought to be like float on a balloon. I'm not going to steal your thunder. You guys have been working hard. You're making some incredible headway. Give us the big news out of texas hit. We have permanent lewis carry on. Its way to the governor's desk and He has said on multiple occasions. He's gonna sign it. So that is big news course. We you mentioned sanctuary states and we got sanctuaries to a sanctuary state And the governor called that out lied his state of the state address but in multiple times social media. And he's gonna sign that we. I mean we just had such a great session as a second amendment community. it was. It was wonderful singer. Texas gets constitutional carry. Now i know there people think of well as texas. How can that be. Omg right so yeah it was you know it was. It was a long long. You know. I maybe the legislative director but if it wasn't for my members if it wasn't for the second amendment community in taxes making all the calls making sending all the emails showing up to testify. You know this wouldn't have gotten done so you know this is really an ally if you will to the termination of our community so that's interesting because because i thought you were be talking about the paid staff and the people you're immediately immediately go to texas's citizens the gun owners who said no the second amendment is important to us and i keep saying over and over again you have to speak up stand up and show up and that's really what it takes doesn't it. Yes does and if you know if you don't get involved then when the bell split the best legislative director you know. Nra he has a other gun groups. They can be working their tails off but we are individuals if we don't have the citizens support if they're not with if if someone isn't willing to pick up the phone or like i usually. I'm sure you've seen my emails. I usually try to include links for people who who We care to email or phone numbers. Some places texas up terrible internet But they can you know they can call things like that so much. that can be done. Gosh even if you want to write a letter to the editor. These kinds of things are what works. If there isn't the pressure from the citizens why. Why would i care about it. Talk about that per second because you win. And you're going to meet with the legislator for instance okay if that legislator has heard not from us but guaranteed they are hearing from the anti-gun the gun ban groups because they master so they're getting the emails to call from those guys. What happens if you walk in. And they're not hearing from us. I mean then they think we don't care like full stop. I mean it really it. Nothing happens or i mean you can have a pro gun legislator. but if he's not getting it he's not getting calls from his people from our people than the assumption is. Well they don't really. They don't really support bill that don't really care. And and and so. That's you know that's one thing And if you have somebody that's riding the fence and you know maybe they're what we call a blue dog democrat or maybe they're Just right of center the republican. But they're just right of center if you're not putting the if you're not making the calls or sending the emails or showing up to testify. That's not always easy depending on where you live bectu but emails and phone calls or certainly easy quick methods. If you're not doing that then you know we know where you know which side of the fence we're gonna go on. Because they're hearing the the gun control advocates. You put a fine point on that you said something people make sure they heard and that is even if you have a legislator who you know is strongly pro gun you must provide the backup for that because they're getting pushed in if it's our job to provide the support on our side you know the other guy is going to be doing their deal if we give up or assume or just take them for granted not only do they think we don't care they then think we don't matter and that's real dangerous and you know if you're willing to show if you're willing to either show up testify or send an email or make a phone call. Chances are good. You're going to be at the polling place on election day. I mean it is sort of a a an unwritten rule of of grassroots activism that grassroots folks are the ones that vote make sense. I mean so so. Texas has had a real good run this season to session but none of it was easy you had to deal with the legislature you had to deal with. I won't call it dirty tricks but it's pure politics stuff that happens there. You had to deal with dan. Patrick you had to deal with a lot of stuff had to happen and none of that happens without pressure without that pressure. That's always there. You got to have the wind blown in your direction. You really do. And and and and as i said the wind is the the wind has to blow in your direction. You know it takes. It takes a lot of grassroots activism. It takes you know it takes organizations coming together and understanding that we have a common goal. You know working together talking to each other you know and and cotonou constant push and it doesn't matter you know it really. It really doesn't matter what shenanigans may or may not go on You know that you have to make a joyful noise. You make andy one other thought here. Something like this. Texas is just passed cost us. Carry governor's gonna sign it. This is not the time to say. Well we did this. High five each other slapping. It might be a good time to around first thing is to say thanks to those who voted your way and thanks and encouragement and thanks to the governor and i absolutely have called called out a number of people who were paramount in these bill. In particularly improvement was carried constitutional. Carry you know. The the original sponsor of the bill representative matt schaefer. I mean you should've seen him on the floor. He was Mazing at fighting off the movements that were designed to kill the bill at amendments. That just left you scratching your head going. why why why You know. I mean he he. He was articulate and he was therefore hours doing this work and he was calm and upbeat. And you know like never took anything personally. There was no he was. I mean just tremendous. And he's and i had the pleasure of getting to know him he's just such a good man So so speaker feeling for forgetting this through the house you know and not you know like he definitely showed us that. He wanted this bill and he wanted and he was very clear. We got over to the senate and senator shorter. God bless his soul picked up the bill and ran with it. And you know we had. We had to go to conference committee. There was some differences. The senate wanted some things that the house didn't want. The house wanted some things to went to conference committee. both representative schafer and senators worker. share that committee. And i have to tell you at that point. I was not because of the chairs but just because it was latent session and we were in conference committee. I was a little nervous. And that's why. I was like sending sending everybody to call the conference committee members to get this done. Dan patrick gosh. He created a committee just for this bill so that you know so that they could get it through the floor And senator warner did a great job on the floor and When with back the house and and the house refused to concur On the amendment. Let me jump in here because you're getting into the weeds. The byzantine bizarre part of all making. And what i wanna do is point out to people. You understand this the rest of us. Don't we don't understand how this works but we know my point here is that we don't have because in texas they have you they have t-. Sra in other states. They have a state group. That's why you belong to a state group. You don't have to understand conference committees and all this kind of stuff you just need to support your state group and let them go do it. And then when they put out the call then you show up you speak up. You do the emails you do the phone calls you understand this stuff. I probably never will. But but i don't have to because you're there that's where state groups are all about and and i love it and i. I am a nerd for this stuff one. Thank goodness we have you there. Look i just want to thank you. Thanks for sharing the good news here and a shoutout. Thank you to governor abbot f. To everybody who worked on this thing and everybody allstate's my point is got a lot of people. Listening states are not in texas. Be active in your state group. And i would like to say one more thing. If anybody's interested in permit with kerry that you need to familiarize themselves with the terms of the bill because there are some stipulations and we talk about that sometime before september likes. Let's do that. We'll make it a date to get you back on and we're talking about. What does this mean what can you do. What can you do. 'cause there's gonna be some misinformation about this good point. Andy thank you so much. Anti-tiger see the legislative director of the texas state rifle association. All right now open lines. What guns are you shooting. What are you buying selling guns. These days you eight six six talk visit brownell dot com for the best part tools and accessories to get your build on building a are brownell says the best uppers barrels hand guards in parts. 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You know the more has the faster twist rate which lets you use the higher ballistic coefficient bullets. Right is really. What better okay. Micro say really any better offer some advantages but are you at much of a disadvantage with older cartridges. I would offer probably not most of us thirty six with that. Well same same distances. A three away since seems the same bullet at the same velocity. That's ever deal. i've steal. When ruger introduced the ruger american rival lightweight inexpensive bolt action rifle. That's very accurate very accurate. When it first came out we went to the f. t. w. ranch and they didn't have any three eighths they wanted to bring those didn't having those call the head to start you out six people. Well it's not a real accurate round. That's a really not long distance round the long range. Around or yeah. Where's your thirty six hidden steel at a thousand yards just clang and steel with it. Just doing what it's supposed to do if you it okay. If you're limited yourself to honey just say hi with cartridges. That were more than one hundred years old. Same nineteen make just fudges little bit make it ninety five years old because that's taken some interesting ones. You get the thirty odd six. Get the seven fifty. Seven you get to seventy winchester actually three seven five h. And h. I can't really think of any big game. I can't hunt successfully with those two seventy for sheep deer thirty six for sheep. Deer moose bear certainly black bear. I would even used the thirty six four for grizzly. If i had to go talk with a gmo. One palmer alaska. Hey jim what's on your mind sir. Well i just wanted to comment. On the tucker. Carlson program with hickok forty five. He was not wearing shooting glasses. Yes watch did you. Wa- did you watch it on the fox nation. Yes i did okay. Good 'cause i'm not saying okay. Oh okay so even comments at one point that one of Hickox spent casings Hit him in the chest. My opinion is that chucker shoots left handed. So i think his left eye dominant tall if that casing would have struck him in the right eye that shooting session would have ended right then and there. They know in a lot of a our. They spit out with authority yesterday. I was have not seen it. So i wasn't aware i. I should've asked hickok. If i'd known about of asking. Did they forget or did someone producer or even tucker say no. I'm not gonna wear glasses on tv. Which in my you know my basic rule you know. I've talked about this. Jim enough if you're not wearing shooting glasses you're not shooting and you're not gonna stand with me on the range that's right. Everybody on. The range has to wear protective glasses. Whether shooting or not because stuff's flying around you can get steal you steal target stuff flies back or like you say brass and you're right people who've not shot a rs dono that brass gets flung out hard. It goes sometimes a long way. Yes it does and I was Chuck to tell you the truth. I i don't know what happened there. But i hope that Well i mean even if they said that You know it'll be better if you don't. He made a mistake. A serious mistake and Anyway yeah i. It's curious but yeah i'm with you. I'm thinking you know and i would have just said i'm sorry guys everybody. Well here's the deal. We've made thousands of videos and i have produced and directed and hosted a lot of tv shows on a lot of different networks and all of about shooting and our deal has been real simple. Not only does the shooter have to wear glasses and that only does the person next to the shooter have to wear glasses. Our camera guys all have to wear glasses and they hate it because it's hard to use viewfinder wearing protective glasses. And i say this is going to be real simple. This is what the job requires. You're not on the rain without wearing glasses whether you shoot a camera or you the sound guy or the production assistant. Whoever you are everybody wears glasses and what we do. I mean we go through a lot of glasses. So i go to like a costco or sam's club or someplace and they've got these six packs protective glasses cheap plastic glasses but they're good enough for this. They scratch fairly easily but they cost two dollars each. Throw them away. You know it's not like okay. It cost you to four or five bucks a piece use them until they're scratched and you can't use them anymore than throwing away get more. But that's i'm with you. That is an absolute no go. I mean obviously you know you gotta wear protection were they. Wearing earmuffs are hearing protection Those little earbud things but yeah they they had Hearing actually something that's good sure. Sure yeah I was going to tell you that. fox nation is only six bucks a month. There's a lot of really cool stuff on there. I mean other than the you know. Johnny joy jones has got a show You know the guy that Lost his two legs when he stepped on a bomb. Okay stan and Well as a matter of fact. I think you can check it out for free for a week if i and and they're doing the deal right now that if you're a veteran you can sign up and get a year for free so i mean that's a good deal there. Hey jim look. I appreciate the call him up against my break here. I'm going to have to scoop. But yeah i was not aware of that and you make an extra it. Lets us remind everybody you have to wear glasses. Everybody with you has to diocese. I like to keep like three extra pairs of cheap shooting glasses in my range bag and that way if somebody shows up are they forgot theirs or they don't need it and ideal the real simple. If i'm in charge of the range for my shoot guns. Don't go off until everybody's wearing glasses. Say i'm just gonna do well. That's cool either. We're not shooter. You need to leak or you're going to put on glasses. Yeah i'm i'm a pain in the rear about that as i say it only takes one time and i don't think you're is replaceable. So there you go eight six six talk gun when we come back. Things are going on in louisiana that constitutional kerry. We're gonna lead to help all right. Welcome back gun talk. I'm tom gresham. Jury here it's it's pretty darn easy really eight six six talk gun gets you in or can't remember that one. You could probably remember my name. Tom tom talk gun. That's pretty darn easy. We were just talking with folks from texas. That just passed constitutional. Carry or permit. Louis carry going over that ground. Just reminding you what that means. Is that a person who is legally allowed are not prohibited from owning. A gun can carry a gun for protection. Conceal without having to get a permit in various states have different things. Texas is going to be state number. Twenty one louisiana is trying to get that done right now but it has been a battle royale in the legislature the sponsor of one of the bills and the one that is making its way through the legislature. Senator j morris republican from west monroe joins us. Right now senator. Morris thank you so much for being here. Thank you for having me on tom. I appreciate it absolutely so we have. You're bill a senate bill one eighteen. It's made his way through byzantine bizarre world in the legislature. The most of us don't understand. Where are we now with this. Well the bill passed out of the senate and then went to the house. It had a committee hearing and it was modified slightly in the house and then it was voted on on the house floor. That means the majority of the house voted in favor of the slightly modified version and so it has come back to the senate for a vote on concurrence which means i can make a motion on the senate floor which i will do One day next week to concur with the house amendments and that means basically we agree with the house version and then that means that if if that occurs and it's and it's a positive vote meaning the majority a the ledge of the senate votes for then it will go to the governor's desk for either becoming a law or likely as i understand it being vetoed. Just gonna say th- governor edward john. Bel edwards has said. He's going to veto this bill. He does not want to carry. Well you know what. I'm not even sure if he cares whether costumes to carry passes i think it may be just a case that he doesn't want to sign it because this is just me. I'm not gonna put words in your mouth okay. I'm not going to throw you under the bus here. This is tom talking. If i'm senator john bel edwards and i'm thinking what am i going to do after i'm governor. Maybe there's another gig for me somewhere out there in the democratic party signing this bill could be a problem for me. The question i'm has for you is. I know you had a lot of support from louisiana gun owners people who support the second amendment. People are trying to get this down. People showed up and droz lose. Shooting association was right there. The nra was actually very helpful instrumental in this. What now what can people do now to help this effort. Well but first of all. I hope that people will stay tuned to this process because we do have a process for overriding. The governor's veto assuming you does veto it And i'm i'm still holding out slight. That have hoped that he might not veto it because it would. It would not be good for there to be a a legislative override veto session For governor but so i i'm hoping against hope that occurs but Once that there's there's not much reason to engage in any sort of letter writing or phone call or email alerts social media campaign until the governor does veto it and that will happen. within Twenty days of the bill hitting his desk okay so And so once. He does assuming he does veto it. There will be a veto session on the fortieth day after the session. And so you know. That's early july boot on land to do that. Don't you have to come back into a special session to do that. You do however. A veto session is automatic unless a majority of one of the houses Either house or senate Votes to not have a veto session. Otherwise because of veto session is automatic and louisiana constitution so Once the governor. Because i would encourage everyone that supports this bill and supports the notion of constitutional carrier permit. Let's carry did they. Contact their senators and representatives and encourage them to participate and this constitutional process. Which is you know it's illegal. It's nothing it shouldn't be out of the ordinary if if A super majority of the people want this. And i feel like it's a law that should be Become effective that was i was to ask you. Okay that's down in the weeds. How the process works back up. Kind of look a fifty thousand foot view. Why did you bring a constitutional carry to the legislature. What was your thinking of. Why blues in uneasiness well up. Think well first of all it's our constitutional rights and i'm a believer in freedom and a believer in the second amendment and the first amendment. All the things that gives us our Our civil rights and freedoms and the right to keep and bear arms as one of those. And i and it makes sense. It's it's time permanent louis. carry Is has gained momentum. I think the time was right Our sister state texas just passed it. you know. Mississippi has passed it In total twenty one other states have passed it. And i just thought the timing was right. It was ready. The people of louisiana want this. I believe I know the people of the district. I represent this and so i'm i'm just hopeful that we can we can push it through. Maybe convinced the governor that it wouldn't be worth a veto over fight but be that as it. May we have to push forward with our beliefs regardless of whether they were absolutely think. We're going to win or not scrape. I'm doing fine for just the things you think you're gonna win you fight. Fight harder if you think you're going to have a challenger senator morris thank you so much for spend some time with us and thank you for doing this and if you know i'll keep people posted on this. I'm going to encourage people to check out. If you're in louisiana need to belong to the louisiana shooting association great group and also interesting. 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Certainly was one of those for me early on the idea that just i guess we all get saddled into what we think is normal because what is becomes normal after a while and having had carry permits for decades. I just worked with the idea that that was just normal. Then you work your way through. It did it. Well yeah but you know. You're you're having to ask permission from the government to exercise fundamental constitutional right to bear arms. Keep and bear arms. And then you see what's done in some states where they make it very difficult sometimes nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit. They'll say we have that law there. You can get a concealed carry permit but it becomes too difficult too expensive. You're not politically correct. You're not going to get one polity connected that is and then you. You know you know. What a proponent of training i encourage people to get training get recurrent training to go back annually and get more training. Take real classes in the use of guns for self defence surge protection. I think that's important. I would encourage people to learn the loss. So here's the question. And i hear this when people right now people say well. I don't really support constitutional kerry because at least with concealed carry. You get some training. I get that. I understand that the opportunity for mischief in making it difficult to get a permit is always there even in states where they're not doing it. Currently a future legislature or licensing agency can add more restrictions. They can as has been suggested like in new york people call for you having to get a psychological evaluation and have a psychiatrist gave his or her opinion that you would be safe to carry a loaded gun in public. Do you think they are going to issue that or you have to carry a million dollars in liability insurance for you can get your carry permit as a condition of getting the permit the opportunity for mischievous just too great not to mention fact that at its core you having to ask mother. May i get this permit. And there's another aspect to this requiring and stay with okay on this requiring people to get a concealed. Carry permit is racist. Here's a reality this. Unfortunately there's a disproportionate number of people of color who live in financially disadvantaged areas of the country depending on where you are the permit may cost one hundred dollars up to three hundred dollars. Can the training cost one hundred dollars or more. So if you're required somebody to spend two hundred and fifty dollars to get a permit to carry. That's typically eliminates a lot of people and it falls. Here's the reality of the whole thing that falls. They heavier burden on people of color in the united states of america. It just does the numbers. Don't lie to tell people you. I'm sorry you can't afford to protect your family. You have to spend two three hundred dollars to get a permit before you protect yourself and your children not only. Is it unconstitutional. it's immoral. Tell people. I'm sorry you don't have enough money. You have to pay us a tax before you can do that. There's just something wrong. Basically wrong with that jim. Do we got time to get bill in here before our break here. All right. let's grab bill out of maysville north carolina on three. He's got some experience with thirty six. Hey bill you're up eight. Tom real quick went to south africa. Hunting coup planes game took thirty six. I've got all the caliber is known. Demand will not really got all all of them. Get down there and we're koo-do on a second farm into guy says why us such a big rifle of course. We're thinking thirty small compared to like african game right right right. I go sixers dot as standard as you can get he goes. Hey to seventy hundred. Thirty grand bullets. Max go okay. Whatever you say right okay. Here's the question for those who don't a is roughly the size of american elk rocky mountain elk so kind of the same category animal. We're talking four to six hundred pounds on how to do for you. He fell down. That's kind of simple short version. He fell down bom down just like that shooting hundred eighty grain burns nice. There you go. Bill thank you. That is the perfect razor report on thirty six. It's like pretty much all the other calories. If you shoot him where you're supposed to shoot them they fall down and people. Typically people will get a magnum and they can't shoot it they don't shoot it well and they're afraid of the recall and they start shooting. Hit animals around the edges and don't hit him in the right place and the runs off and they say well see that magnum won't kill anything. I gotta get a bigger magnum which they can't shoot well either what they need to be doing his back after. Not six to seventy six point. Five to fifty seven. Roberts said by fifty seven milder not much recoil and they just work. And you're able to put a bullet in the right place in when you're hunting that's really what it's all about. Are you putting the bullets in the right place. When we come back homemade guns they call them ghost guys. We call them just a natural thing. View were highly placed in the gun ban industry. And you really want to reduce as much as possible. Because you know you can't eliminate guns altogether but you want to reduce the number of guns available to people. You want to reduce number of gun owners. You'd like to ban guns as many possibly can. Wouldn't it be like the perfect scenario if you could take one of your people who works for gun. Ban company gun ban lobby and put them in charge of the bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms. How sweet would that be. We'll put a gun bander in charge of the atf. That's what joe biden's trying to do. They would chipman worked for atf. He is now been nominated to be director of asia. Only problem is he's been calling for gun bands for years he's been working for. He's a spokesman for giffords gun band group. If someone were to tell me that you'd say well that can't be right. No one would be that blatantly political to put a known paid activist gun. Banner in charge of. That's crazy right now. They did it. He actually appeared before the senate who reviewing for nomination. His testimony was at best muddled more deceptive than anything uninformed clearly. Okay that's that's given too much credit ignorant is the way to go or are lying. I don't know could not would not define what this thing is. He wants to ban louisiana senator. John kennedy pressing him on it. Chipman could not find a way to issue a definition for so-called assault weapon. Mean we know what they wanted. They wanted to ban any semiautomatic firearm. If have to limited to indy steamy automatic firearm. That takes a detachable magazine in case. You're not paying attention that includes pistols your glocks smith and wesson springfield eggs on and on and on semi automatic firearms. Take attachable magazine. Yeah they want to ban all those so david. Chapman is testifying for the senate and duck and dodge bob and even in my view lying. It's beyond comprehension. They could put him up for the slot. But here's the thing. There's actually a really good chance that could get the job. Well if we sit our rear ends this is your action item. Your immediate action item okay. Here's your phone number. Got a call. Senate talk to your senator. Send them emails do everything you can call the office. And say i would like for the senator to reject the nomination of david shipman for atf. The number is two. Oh two two two four thirty one twenty one. I'll do it against slowly for you to oh two two two four three one to. You're not going to remember that what you do. Is you get up your little search engine on your web browser and you put up. United states capitol capital switchboard. The number will come up. You call them. They will get you to the right. Senator's offices david shipman must not be allowed to head the atf. The damage he could do is in cowgill. Lable man wants to ban guns in charge of regulating firearm. Ceos the firemen industry fire manufacturing fire and distribution. And even what a firearm is crazy. Talk just nut so stuff meantime what does make our own guns. We'll talk about that when we come back.

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