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Herodias

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Herodias

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Kit with code bible. Bench are jamie we got. We got like a slick double feature here today. Not just one story. We're going to get two stories. We're getting a character that we've danced around a little bit John the baptist. And then we're getting what i think is the woman that was often taught like you got when i was growing up like particularly girls youth group or g. as or act teams or whatever girls treats it was always like be ruth. Uh-huh don't be jazz. Avella heredia okay. Yeah like it was really clear. Yeah yeah yeah so real life. I very much. I'm i'm actually much more often. Find myself in mel heredia. Shoes dune ruth shoe. That's for all this is what it is so we got some new friends that some old friends from excited about the people are gonna talk by chance so we have a full cast today. We're starting off with elizabeth and zachariah who we actually met in season seven. Six elizabeth is a relative of mary. Mother of jesus. she's married to a priest. Zachariah who get tuna second and she is the mother of john the baptist. Her name means. My god is an oath and she has already been cast. That's right and i remember just around people if you didn't listen as episode We were going for someone who was regal Obedient someone adjacent to like people with huge fame. Which is why we felt good about gayle king so listen i actually secretly think that was such a perfect when i saw it and looked it up. I was like what a brilliant like. Mary is even marrying viola davis but but who does well as like. I don't have to be the star grin number two. It is so she is married to zachariah who is a now as a reminder priests are some of their responsibilities include offering sacrifices and they take care of the temple which in this day and age the temple has been rebuilt in it very fancy priests were descendants of aaron. Who was the first high priest of israel. remember brother of moses. I'm zachariah is specifically from the tribe of levi. He's married to elizabeth. He's also the father to john the baptist and his name means y'all way remembers now. You know. I feel like the big thing for this casting choice was i think we just thought it'd be hilarious. If was someone super talkative. So if they couldn't talk if you find about it listen to you. When he finds out that he has elderly wife is having a baby. He does not quite trust the angel of the lawyer and therefore he loses his voice and not allowed to speak until the baby comes out. That's right so i'm thinking a lot of just relation a lot of rights with not being able to talk and that's why we went with regis philbin about that actually wrestle god because we he was alive when we cast s right and he's not anymore. I actually loved i love. I grew up loving regis and kelly. What ought to honor religious belief. But i think it's a wonderful way for him to live on that and then next we have so. I'm going to start off with. We're going to talk about heredia today. But anita remind you refresh your memory if you have not listened to you episode. Four this season then. I suggest you go back so that you can understand who king herod Because that will be very helpful for this because we're still in the family. Heredia says not. Just a phonetic accident. Right it belongs to him. So king. Herod an episode for he was the one who ruled the king of the jews. Under authority from thirty three years. Remember he tried to go bubba. Chisels slaughter of innocence. So remember how we told you in that episode king herod executed to of assign. Because another son told him. Hey dad they're plotting against you and so we had them execute well. This two sons were alexander and aristoteles I just love that. Went is alexander and one is what sounds like you. See the dermatologist. Like bob pilot inspector. Just wait what. It's what so before his dad of was married to his cousin. Bernice as you do and they had a daughter name. Herodotus herodotus is the granddaughter of og herod the great okay. Now win he mur- like when he executed his sons. He decided he was going to go ahead. And tell heredia sushi gonna marry her gag her gaga. You think he went by pappy papa. Something like that. So pop up came to her and he was like listen. You're gonna marry my other son philip And so she married her uncle philip. The i okay so again. There's going to be a second philip. We'll see later this story but they have a daughter together named salman okay and while mary to her husband's clash goal. Yeah she decides to divorce him while he's still alive. Yeah and mary. Her husband's half brother also. Her uncle antics no question. Does she decide that or she told. Here's what's up. No she no at the listen. Listen josephus writes about this. Really guys safest you know who is one of our hours. Go see this. Why is it into like in the bible. Yeah like his seems weird that it's not honestly in the work we've done the It's it is a great parallel resource of integrity of the jews. Like it's really hopeful and it's not very biased. it's just kinda matter of fact it is sees. He said this. This is a quiet. Heredia took upon her to confound the laws of our country and divorced herself from her husband while he was still alive and was married to harry. It has antecedents. I look good for her. She's like i'm over the nfl. Some jewish tradition that it was over a holiday. Oh okay rome that. She spent time with anti over labor day. And she's like i. I think. I wanna marry you. I'm choosing this. We've just maybe had done some sexy staff. And i don't like i don't like philip anymore. I like you question. Would you watch the holiday to about this. Inject like it's not involved. I would i focus on events and horota's the name means just like herod song of the here so for heroics i was trying to think. I didn't wanna complicate this too much. Because i wanted to cast someone who really fundamentally i want someone who feels like they can hold a grudge. You just you look at their face. And you're like they will hold a grudge and that comes into play in our story here. But i think also in real life just the like you know has a patrician. Look about her. is elegant but also kind of harsh. You know okay. So for that reason. I have chosen to cast sigourney weaver. How do you feel about that. So okay i had you know. I was really circling kerry coon because she feels like someone who could really cut you if like you get on her bad side. I wanted someone bigger. You know like a bigger celebrity. Because she has that five of like. I can imagine like i think of her in working girl. That's like my go-to i know. Everybody thinks of her. Like from so. I was thinking. Yeah but i think from working girl which is also like she is so angry at melanie griffith for stealing harrison ford. Sure she's subset. She's in that cast. She's been skiing a royal holiday. I love that fucking lunch. Good good so she is married like we said she has decided to marry divorce. Her husband yeah and mary her uncle king herod anti which is using in the bible. There not a very clear because everybody's named herod so he is the oj. King herod one of them. His mom is a samaritan woman named mouths on really a king. he's a tetrarch which is a governor ivan territory and in this case it's galilee and perea. now he s. He was already married when harare's wanted to divorce philip and mary him so he too got divorced. Okay yeah that he married his niece. Yeah okay great name means like the father which is exactly right was good naming for that reason so i i'm going to go a little younger so that the ages might not shortly macha. But here's the unifying principle. I'm abiding by is i want you know with willem defoe. I feel like we captured a physical almost grotesque nece with character so tribe. Algae's will do. I mean he knows it is what it is you know so. I'm trying to match that. You know i mean and this guy. He is an attractive person. But i think when he wants to get ugly he gets really good ugly and creepy. So i'm thinking bill skarsgard for this. You like i played. It's in the in the reboot who captured the clown. You know I feel like he could be really good Despotic evil deeds younger than sigourney weaver significantly. So that's why. I wanted to put that life asterik on it. He's like half her age. Yeah like that. So i don't know you and feel free to be like that doesn't work for me and we can like maybe aaron can help us recast in jenner rebuke. If he's just too young. But i'm trying to. I was really thinking about just like a guy who can really look Physically grotesque if he wanted to and he really can know he can look really sketchy because castle. Rock the series. And he's not like you're not like he's sexy. He was that terrible. Netflix movie with tom. Holland where in set in the south like in robert pattinson plays a creepy pastor. You know but he's he's good at night something the night. It's just everything's miserable the movie or whatever he's really good in that so i thought capturing misery that's an excellent choice And then of course. Our final character. Today is john the baptist. He is the son of elizabeth araya. He the story will be in his early thirties on. There's more than one. John in the gospels. So we get john. The baptist right differentiate him from john. The disciple sorry john the beloved who wrote the book of john baptist indicating not his denominational choice but the fact that he was a person who baptized by water his most famous customer for baptism was actually jesus himself. This a kid think he was a baptist and i was like. Oh my gosh why would anybody be presbyterian there presbyterian. There's no john the methodist hello. I'm he's also considered the link between the prophets of the old testament and the fulfilment of prophecies. Four hundred years later in the new testament. He is a a revered religious figure in several faith faith including islam. Fun fact the book of john so each of the gospels tell about john the baptist or mark does the best job because he's the most thorough plus we know that lee matthew took a lot of their information from mark and his stories. John doing his own thing. You have most of the time. I liked that. John is like he doesn't even mention that. Jesus got baptized. I like there's a real like undercurrent of because he also does not describe john the baptist as like a coming back. He's just like he had of ways. So you just. That's there's such a painting with the lights off with john. love it. I love it. It's john about us. The name john means y'all way is gracious. Okay so this was. This was tough. I spent a long time this big deal and it's partially because he has such like you said he's such an important character but also this is it. We're not really going to get back to him. You know this is kind of for him. This is We're gonna tell his story today so it's not like we're gonna waste him but it's just like we don't get a ton so it's like his meaning surpasses his actual The texts that concerns him. So i thought i've got three really good alternatives. That wanna give you. And i'm gonna let you pick okay. And when i was choosing all these people i was going for i want someone singular. I want someone who can be gritty. You know because the whole locusts wilderness. That these that's the thing and that that's real But i also want someone who their reputation is above reproach and the reputation precedes them. So it's not just like what your deal it's kinda like oh snap j. Db is here in my face. And i know what so. Okay so First option. I'm gonna give you my my favorite option last first option. Fill the easiest one honestly out. If you wanna use the word lazy you can. We use the jason. Samoa okay That is just a ragged. Do but i get it. See the vibe when he shows up. I'm like yeah you're toy the Second one Pedro pascall oh and then third one pedro pascal but as the mandalorian. And here's why. I think there's big This is the way energy with john the baptist. it's literally. This is the way and i think even more like you know There's a parallel of john. Kind of caretaking for the future jesus's ministry you know kind of like hand holding until it was like now you're the guy where the mandalorian is like baby. Yoda like i'm taking care of you because obviously you're for greater things so i don't know i really liked the idea of the mandalorian but i leave it to you. That's a perfect to apple. Listen i love mandible. I love the idea to the context of dealing with boba phat like more important. Yeah cannon than like. We're like who who even his mental oriented. Yeah bob it's all like that a lot. There's a big is it. S seen the scenes. and the main. Lauren's i kind of creative payroll sack. Yeah john the baptist probably was the part is very sturdy dudes that are just like i don't know you don't want to mess with them just so i like that. I like pedro. Pascal great as the mandalorian. I feel like perfect. Okay so just to bring us up to speed where we are to emerson elizabeth and zachariah john the baptist parents. My recommendation is go into season. Seven episode. six. You'll understand that we're read literally the first chapter of luke and you'll get their whole story there But the og herod the great. He was the king at the time that lives within. I got pregnant. He ruled judea samaria galley as a police state. It is very dark times for the geez. Like ten percent of the people have wealth. Ninety percent of them are living in really equally swallowed. Like it's tough and it's a police state. It's even police state now under king herod intimacies mary to heredia soccer. They were older. They didn't have kids. he was a priest. An angel. lord came said. you're gonna have a baby. And then what was great was. Then that same injure. Lord went to mary and was like hey i have a baby. Guess what kind of a baby. Because already went to her house and so mary goes to see elizabeth who an who is family member and goes to see her and as soon as she walks in the door elizabeth's at baby inside the womb leap. We're told in scripture. So you already have a vibe of like what we're dealing with when it comes to you on the baptist And when that leaping baby was born his name was drawn and then his dad zachariah who was a priest. Congress did a prophecy which is going to be telling because priests and prophets sometimes. We're the same thing most of the time they weren't sure and john. The baptist is going to be like the son of a priest who is a prophet. So i like this kind of transition. That is bad. Gives them even as a baby and he not passage he says you know god's doing anything. Hey we kind of forgot all those will there. it's town it's tom you know. And that's kind of cool because one is like maintaining one's about presley maintenance ones about what's coming that's right like his dad says listen. Maybe trump on your awesome. And you're going to be a trailblazer for jesus. And even though that was thirty years away. I love that. He knew that in that and inverse eighty wanted it says and the child grew and became strong in spirit and he was in the wilderness until the day of his public appearance to israel so again. We're a police state. Still the case Roman military occupation was very harsh. At this time circumstances. Were almost according to story. And almost intolerable. These folks would have been desperate. I mean desperate from anybody who had a word that wasn't inland with like roman polisher. Yeah okay so we're in matthew chapter three verse one in those days john. The baptist came preaching in the wilderness of judea. Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand for this is he who has spoken by the prophet isaiah when he said the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Prepare the way the lord make his paths straight. And i think that's I'm glad you laid the groundwork of if it wasn't if it was just like you know the day whatever guys everyone's having a great time no like there's a desperation it just like i think the crying in the wilderness is metaphorical pneumatic of what's happening throughout the lands. You know what i'm saying. So i'm glad that you laid the groundwork of like these are desperate times. Desperate measures and people want to hear. They want to access something hopeful. Know exactly and i like that. This is already giving you the idea that this is exactly what we were looking for. Zachariah said this thirty years ago which is again crazy zachariah. Like someone's coming and they still have to wait there. They still have to wait thirty years. But now charters because we've already know kind of jesus in the temple he's grown up people are like it's at him. Yeah let's wait like his beard. Think it's amazing. Like i'm kind of honestly. I'm still pissed. I've had to wait so long for gun to but imagine being like top gun to coming in twenty fifty. Thank him for a long time. What could it be the best movie ever. But you can't see it for thirty years. And i also like that you get as you get this guy who can't preach in the city like he can't be in the town square pre. 'cause witty is preaching is very volatile very controversial. And i liked that. Everybody's kind of going out into the desert to kind of hear what this guy has to say. Yeah so verse. Four now john warren garment of camel's hair and a leather belt around his waist and his food was locust and wild. Honey i like my whole childhood was this is all i knew about john. Just like they really. I don't know that anyone ever said to me. Hey this was also like just a traditional thing that people were. You were a prophet. You actually wore this particular about because a logical rebel. Yeah i think you were this belt. You wear a garment of camel's hair. That's actually what you were. No i was shaped by the dc talk lyrics about john. The baptist. Jesus freak. And i just like this guy's same madman like he would've been like people have been like. Oh this is a prophet. Like this is what he's supposed to wear because even as diet that would have bike that would have. He would have been a hearing to a strict jewish purity laws like as as if he was a nas- right. Yes so this would have been which is a g. That's vowed to god service so honest like a none but a dude you know and i think it's going to get our back no matter. There's something interesting about. I don't know the allusions to the plagues in egypt with locusts. But also john like he his diet. He subsists on locusts. I think it's very interesting. And i'm not smart enough to make that connection i. It's very interesting parallels this guy's wild but it's like patrolled wilderness. Yeah like he can take something that was used for evil and now he makes no he's empower by it. Yeah so i five in jerusalem and all judea and all the region about the jordan were going out to him and they were baptized by him. In the river jordan confessing their sense. But when he saw many of the pharisees it's allergies coming to his baptism he said to them. You brood of vipers. Who warned you to flee from the raft. The com- bear fruit in keeping with repentance. I want to stop here. Because i read in the cultural background study bible that people in antiquity thought that vipers were born by hatching inside their mothers like the the the snake would not deliver the egg that the egg would hash inside the mother and then the viper would know their way out. Oh no which means they would kill their mother to be born and in in so calling someone. A brita vipers is to call them apparent killers. Which is the most offensive thing at this day and age which i think is still pretty offensive. It's still as yeah the menendez brothers somehow or like what it's fine. We had a reason. We wanted their money their cash. But do think anyone listening gets that reference. The menendez brothers know your history guys much so yeah so like that was such a for him to say that have been like i just thought it was like they're dangerous. They're poisonous or something but the fact that they are dangerous and poisonous and they ate their parents or the worst and that these are religious leaders and you just said they're the worst people around as so so to me based on what how would cast him. That's him doing the flame thing with his hand of just like your watch out for this guy this guy's crazy and then when he hits the button and like the the wild rockets go around like. There's a lot of danger there happening here. This is perfect so verse not and do not presume to say to yourselves. We have abraham as our father for. I tell you got his able from these stones to raise up children for abraham even now. The axe is laid to the root of the trees every tree therefore that does not bear good. Fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. I eleven i baptize you with water for repentance. But he who is coming. After me is mightier than i who sandals. I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the holy spirit and fire. His winnowing. fork is in his hand and he will clear his threshing floor and gather his wheat into the barn but the chaff. He will burn with unquenchable fire. I just sent tent sermon. I liked it. Feels like he every time he speaks in talks to you. It's just a very specific mood. You no doubt. Hey guys we're going to hear from the children's choir tonight. It's just like it's a lot outboard go like okay so i have a lot okay. So one thing about this is where we understand baptism Right like baptism by water. Right and i grew up that my mother grew up methodist and so my mother had been baptized and she was sprinkled with but then i grew up and we were immersed in but we were closed. Yeah right where you close with your. I was closed yakima white. Because we're like yeah oh symbolism a robe robots work a white t shirt and shorts. Did they tell you how to wear. Why i think they provided for how interesting as fifth grade because it's actually church. They do provide you clothing but it's navy blue is like fubu or is it like big johnson's or something. I'm just kidding. This is definitely not not. But i learned from tv this for tv. This is not the bible. But i did learn from the tv show orthodox on hulu which is very good show about jewish washing rituals and that so jews had had a long history. It's called the mikva and they had win the character in orthodox i was so fascinated because this was this really big deal that she was going to this bath at the temple to be washed and she had to be fully naked and then she had to cleaned by like the staff. That simple staff. Don't love it to be honest with but it was interesting that this is has a long history so this isn't like random guy like telling people to get in water. I think there was a there was already a sense of purity meaning attached to it. Yeah but it's interesting to see. How so many did the. Nominations have looked at the difference. Li like 'cause you have denominations now in christianity that would tell you. Baptism is required for salvation. You have some that would say sprinkled some that baptize people as babies avenue. Like it's so fascinating. How taken this one thing from this really short passage and we get a little more when he actually has when he baptized his jesus and we built like whole tenets of faith around it but all the way we view it as differently like some people see it as a symbol. Some people see it as a requirement to get to heaven. That's very interpretive. I think this is by no means. Here's what i believe to be true forever. It's just. I always saw it as symbolic. It's just a symbolic act does not. I've always heard passer say it was the wedding ring of Your yeah is that you didn't have to wearing. You would still be married but like it's nice to show people although you don't stay wet you dry your hair. I don't. I don't get big just we're forever. It's almost say whatever playing out for your whole life. Sure because we had big conversation about like for kids like should we get them like baptize in sprinkled or whatever presented to the church. And i was just like they are kids. They will make that decision for themselves yet because you have central that do like baby dedication. Yeah they're like we dedicate this baby lord sprinkle sprinkle holy water. Although like i feel like i feel like holy water. That's the catholics. You gotta leave that. That was the whole portland. That's how we got Luther martin luther right is because like you were abusing and selling south. So that's not my vibe. But i'm not smart enough to say what you say about like well. Not that we're gonna make say what which ones right now. I want to fingernail like say it. She's not in here while recording how she'll hear this when she so we distract her which but okay. So what are you. Think john meant. What do you think he meant by the next guy. That's coming you know who's going to be monitored the me wouldn't you think they thought when he said he's going to baptize you with the holy spirit and fire What do you think the crowd was thinking. no i. I think it was important. Parcel with the idea that the next guy is going to be the kingdom slayer he's going to be the wrong slayer he's going to be the one that brings war and that brings us back to national prominence. And i i think a lot of people you know like that messianic idea. It wasn't like this was the first some people at heard that from john the baptist. They were wanting this part of it was the Like you said that conditions of the day they were just hoping for someone to bring them out of this. But also the the prophetic idea that this guy is due at some point and we need higher. I just. It's so fascinating to me to have people if you're sitting there and all you've ever noun is i'm a child of abraham like my family is descended from a tribe and so like my family levi or my family is from the tribe of benjamin or whatever like you know who you are and you go. I'm god's chosen people but this guy in the wilderness who seems to be fulfilling. A prophecy from isaiah is saying. Yeah like i'm telling you. It doesn't matter that your father abraham because we can guide can make abraham kids out of these stone like it's interesting for like if you're sitting there. Are you getting nervous. Or you. Like the whole the the breadcrumbs of the gentile idea. You coming how. You'll respond to that choice not a inheritance. Yeah i don't know. I don't know but curious i i will try to put myself in their spot. Think if all you've ever known as when thing this guy saying something which again is why. He's doing it in the wilderness and not the townsquare kosher stealing. It's very revolutionary particularly for the people who lead the jews so anyway. And i like the whole bit. I really do listen. I love me some wheat and chaff. 'cause i once went to a farm a wheat farm like in school where the they really did. Take the fork and threw it up and the half went to the right. Was it matters to you. well i just. I don't really get it. I don't get the. I'm dan right but he saying so. We know what he's saying is right change if you burn chaff burn it. It doesn't burn very long okay. So it's very light and it's it's not good fuel rate but this guy he's just said. Oh but you'll burn with unquenchable fire is how talking about a do. I feel like it's important to note though i you know. I'm not super educated on this but the idea of You know having some kind of reputation in power. He's a guy that people come to see in the woods right. recycles for he has disciples. He's got the whole thing he got he. He can have kind of whatever he wants and for him to be like. You think i'm cool. Think i'm good. There's another dude coming. I think that's really. I don't know i think we overlooked that. Some of someone who has all the trappings of power and influence to be like. I'm not even close to what happened. If this like. And i only know this reference right now is because i started watching harry potter. Dumbledore were saying harry. Potter's actually better than me. As i think it's i don't know you know there's a there's something to that of just like things are coming. You can't even wrap your head around and more powerful than you can even know any not even the right way that you can know. That's i think that's important to underline here is this is a guy who was never tempted by power. His never been like well. You know. I mean. I'm pretty cool too. I got my own disciples do my stuff here. He's always got his on the prize. Of like i'm here to fulfil duty here. I'm just telling. I'm just telling you i saw something. It's from the bible scholar. John dominic crossan and he said John had a monopoly. But jesus had a franchise. He said to get baptized. You could only go to john. He said to stop the move though was killed john. But jesus he's got something where it becomes Elemental to who you are. So it spreads way beyond just one person he said. That's the big difference here. That's just one person is the gateway in in the the choke hold of all this idea but she's comes brings something else to win. Well jesus empower so many other people to write like his group is go out and ed an all the people that are impacted by him. It's not about him zero about the message thus right hey is a quick break to talk about one of our incredible sponsors crew. It goes without saying but the bible has changed all of our lives. I mean the. We named our podcast the bible bench for a reason. I wish you could see how many bibles we use for our studies. There are stacks all over with different. Translations editor's notes and commentaries. 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Jesus had kind of been rejected by his hometown and then he just sent his dudes out by to really to teach repentance to drive out demons and healed the sick. And we're got around so haired knows about this. He's like i got was happening here somewhere saying john. The baptist has been raised from the dead and this is why miraculous powers are working him. Other said he's elijah and still others. Claimed he has a profit like the province of long ago. But when haired heard this he said john comma whom i beheaded has been raised from the dead. This confuse me. Because as we're about to talk about haired knows. John is not beheaded he like. We're about to spend plus right. So he's saying when he heard this he said johnny. My beheaded has been raised from that. Flashback start oh so. That's the flap. Flashback see i had. I was gonna ask you and i was like. I don't know what's happening here. Is he lying or is he like. Jk it's mark late. Listen it's actually pretty advanced from mark. I think okay my mind. Cause it's him saying these people are saying about. Jesus because now john is gone and jesus's ministry has taken off and jesus has already been baptized by john. The baptist john. The baptist is long gone are my month. I mean like months my soul. We're doing like miracles now. This who knows they're all like this. Jesus scott and when the others are saying it can be and he's like yes. It's john who i beheaded. He's been raised from the dead. Okay so this is really interesting. So now it's like it's instead it's it it transitions to big narrator energy. Yes very big. Okay and i like that. That is pretty. That's pretty innovative by mark john. Mark So then we go to versa Verse seventeen for hair himself had given orders to have john arrested. So we're flashback in. We're in black and white now right And had had had him bound and put in prison. He did this. Because of herodotus his brother philip's wife whom he had married for john had been saying to. Herod it is not lawful for you to have your brother's wife. that's horrendous. Had a cool weekend somewhere. It was like we should get married. Inherits like okay cool. John's like olive oil and some mozzarella weaver is a very attractive woman. I agree with you but you just can't do. It was such a big deal to at this time. Like divorce wasn't like you. You divorce because of abandon and women didn't divorce men men divorced when that's exactly right so like for her to be like i'm out what even john the baptist like divorce be. A woman can't do that. What are you talking. I get out of here with that So verse nineteen so. Heroic nurse a grudge against john and wanted to kill him but she was not able to because she's a woman right. That's not the babbel. That's me for twenty because haired fear. John and protected him knowing him to be a writer and holy man haired her john. He was greatly puzzled yet. He liked to listen good toy like he's like he's fine. He's a very good store hard. I mean look he is. I think the novelty of the Pseudo messianic figure pulled from the wilderness who eats locust where is kinda cool clothes and he's honey that's interesting. That's a novelty item again. You've got a guy. Like i think it's important and i think we get. We get caught up in reading these stories and we're just read them and we never think about full context even in our own reading. We forget this is the son of herod the great hair. The great who was an amazing politician but not a good dude right who is instilled fear in all of his children because he murdered some of them right. And you you're like now. Antipates intimacy is now married to horota's and he's like my dad and so it's like a whole. He actually killed several of your uncles. That's fine could a lot of people and we've broken major laws by us being together because your lady and you should have divorced nine my half brother but the other thing is you also have. Og king herod try to kill jesus because he thought he was going to usurp his power right so now. I like that in the story. You have antecedent saying he feared john and protected him like because he feared him. But he's like i don't wanna like get. I don't need a crazy thing to happen. Yeah no one wants to be the guy who kills the supernatural thing. That's just that feels like a lot. I think that you know the son of herod. What's the old saying. Like the first generation earns it the second third generation. Lose it you know. I think he wasn't like let's push this. I think is just like outside of the time you know what i mean. Like he was in. It says literally. He was entertained by him. Yeah he. I liked hearing him. I mean i don't understand what he's talking about. Cool things to say so. I do like the vibe. That like courteous is like babe. Utah anti kill him and he he's like babe will but you know. Can i have some phone with him. I because he's a good hang. And i don't have a lot of good teams and honey. Have you read the lake. Have you read those scriptures. Jewish jewish They will be aware of himself. Yeah so for twenty one finally the opportune time came on his birthday haired gave a banquet for his high officials and military commanders in the leading men of galilee. When the daughter of heroics came in and dance she pleased herod and his dinner guests so she said the daughter of herodotus comes in. We don't get name. We'll talk about who she is. Right comes in and dances though. Does she like toddlers on tiktok. J. lo and hustlers okay. That's great my question was is this more nutcracker or hustler's okay well like where we're thinking. They're vague aaron king. Correct me if i'm wrong. I feel like it's hustler's flers. It's probably authors. The problem is okay so we learn from 'cause we're in mark we learned from matthew that her name is solomon solomon relegate famous opera famous play by oscar wilde of stuff about about sally. Sally everything i've read with that she would have been about twelve to fourteen years. Yeah that's not fun. I love it. So i'm just gonna i'm gonna make that twenty. I'm gonna make twenty eight different age. Also she probably would have already been betrothed to her husband. Okay which guess what. Philip number two She's also here's the thing he will be her husband her uncle and her great uncles. Too much. philip. It's too much heritage too much. It's too much the same family so so also did read. This was so interesting. Because i think we just see on his birthday. Parrot had a party which feels very normal but apparently that was unusual for jews. I want aaron to clarify did choose in. Antiquity celebrate birthdays. Because this would have been a very gentile type of activity. Okay and that royal jews took on like they liked the celebratory nature of it. Yes and everything. I've read i get the sense that they were jews. Name only they were like yeah. We're told us like we're also going to do. Some of them literally did convert. 'cause we were we married into power. This isn't about my faith. So the cast because i feel like she. Has you know even though we don't get an age portland s right like she's the daughter of horota's but she's the middle woman to murder right and her stepdad. Is the current ruler governor of this area. He's the one having the birthday party. Yes it is weird remember. We learned from aaron. Which would have been the case still here. Remember we learned from banquets banquets us and that men would have been in one banquet and women would have been in another that eventually. It says she went out to go get her mother. Her mother would not have been in the room watching which twenty eight twenty. Ed which mary was young to like. It's it was different like we can't live on. It was a different to-. Although i feel like twelve is always well. It's it's too much it's why don't wanna entertain but that she would have been in that room all with men the women would have been entertainers. Yeah so you know. I was thinking i wanted to cast this because this is obviously not just important story but in terms of literature in terms of renaissance art salman is a is a fixture because you know she precipitates the The death of the beloved religious figures so again. I'm going to accelerate that age. I'm going to bump it up to twenty eight. That's more fun for for us to talk about And i wanted to ask someone who if you saw her not even do a good job but just she did something and you were king and you were just like. That's i want someone so hot that the king would be like as the greatest thing i've ever seen. You can have up to so half of my kingdom. Okay so so hot but also your stepdaughter. Yeah yeah i mean like also your stepdaughter and your niece bible time stepdad's the rules are out the window. You know what i mean. So there's no decency to be found but like someone who was willing to give up half their kingdom even though they are not a king but they're willing to offer things that they don't have some what i'm saying is i'm going for someone very hot. Okay that's why probably no surprise to you. I've cast anadyr moss. Because i feel like if bill skarsgard the king saw her. He would be like you. Tell me what to do. She's so hot. I follow her. She's going to be marilyn monroe in a he commits no sense. But i believe literally makes sense. But when i saw her in the whig outlook on my gosh. She looks exactly like mary yes she some lives like wreck people asa to salma. We play by their moss. Okay so we'll continue. The king said to the girl asked me for anything you want. And i'll give it to you verse twenty three and he promised her with an oath. Whatever you ask. I will give to you up to half my kingdom again kings in the bible or anywhere ever just being like You can have like whatever you want. I feel such a stupid blank. Check to give. And i don't understand why they do it but it's such a that. These kings willingly do that. Aaron and i had pre record conversation about how like he this is such a dumb move because he says he makes this promise in front of all these men and it's gonna come back to bite him right but it was because culturally and it still air made this point like and it's still. It's still true today. An arab culture that honor is everything and shame. Is it's a port. You cannot do everything to avoid shame. And i was watching a documentary on the call the dissident which is about jamal. Jamal khashoggi Murdered by saudi arabian leadership. And what it is because he was. This reporter was humiliating. The royal family. by financing people. Who are trying to take down their power and it was so humiliating that he had. And that's in that's in twenty eight leaves now time so that's an no eight. That's an twenty nineteen so that's a now times if it's now this is so embedded in you. You've just made a promise. It's you're gonna have to keep it you know. And this reminds me of our season. Which i think you kind of alluded to which also featured a king who was like what are you want. You can have like basically almost everything. And i think like i when i was reading this. I thought i am not. I'm not some self-loathing man of like due to the worst. I hate guys. I i like being a guy. I a bore my masculinity but i think when you hear the argument of Women are too emotional and they have periods so we can't trust them to lead when literally. You have history is dotted with men who are either to horny or too prideful to make a good decision think this is a great example of you got killed because you were just like so into and air moss and that's dub guys like come on. Who is your family. It's weird telling you. I saw a quote from Traps commentary and he said the just like this is like sick. Smart language burn. He said with a modest gesticulations and tripping on the to- where with the old phone cater with so inflamed that he that he swore she should have anything of him. Ask so that's a good way to like crush someone in smart language. You know because i don't exactly know where all those words mean he. He's dunking on him really So i twenty four. She went out and said your mother what shall ask for the head of john. The baptist rojas answered probably very quickly virtually five at wants. The girl hurt into the king with request. I want you to give me right now. The head of john the baptist on a platter so yeah again like we're talking about the This trope of ancient kings getting checkmated because of the no take backs rule you know and because of honor and because they said in front of people It's there like it's a it's alive. And well verse. Twenty six king was greatly distressed but because of his oaths and his dinner guests he did not want to refuse. Almost like oops my bad but you say it. Thank you and i saw this is in wessels commentary. He said The depth of distress experienced by haired at as requests for the head of john. The baptist is expressed graphically by the greek word. I'm sherman of mangla but it's called perilla posts and it means greatly distressed and we see the same word used to describe jesus's agony and guests emini so wasn't just like a. Wow oh no it was like you know like. I can't believe this happened to me how and been tricked by knowing and probably in that moment knowing this came from heredia because she's got this long history of this long branch of hating and hating it. That's right yeah. She play the long game so verse. Twenty seven so he merely senate executioner with orders to bring john's head the went the man went beheaded john in the prison for twenty eight and brought back his head on a platter. He presented to the girl and she gave her mother. I twenty nine a hearing of this. John cycles came to his body and laid it in a tomb so Not a fun end to our sore today. But factual end now and listen josephus the historian he wrote that horota's later and we'll we'll actually will get a little like we'll get one last touch of this family in our villain season In next and our next classic episode but that horota's josephus heredia was jealous that her brother at grandpa he actually ended up becoming quote king of judea whereas she was married to just a governor. Like is almost like a graphic president. She's like. I'm here to the governor of arkansas. This think and so. She insisted that her husband petitioned the emperor of rome caligula for title. Who is such a chill dude. He probably was greg with that. Listen he did not like this request and he banished antics and heredia to gaul. And you're not getting to live in this country and if you can't even live here anymore you have to at all like at all. And then she just eventually died. I imagine screwing up so bad that the person overuse like you can't live in israel anymore. You have to go to france and just not knowing he wants to speak the language. That's bad suck. The other thing about this. I like is when you see that. In verse twenty nine. John's disciples came into his body and laid it in a team. I love that john. The baptist's disciples were better at being the fight. Both in jesus's disciples. There were so much more organized than jesus chickens with their head. Cut off such scared. Your guys later but my questions for erin these kind of epilogue questions. Is i m curious. Where is john the baptist buried like we're is that tomb considered to be and where's his head because that feels like a relic a church in like bulgaria wants to claim that they have their. You're doing such a relic trigger. I feel like we're gonna get forty minutes on relics of john. The baptist theology with air admitted. I had so there was You know we alluded to it in in the conversation but I got. I started deep diving. This you know the the verbiage Up to half my kingdom that kind of like triggered me of like that means something. Because i heard that before. We heard that. Nestor season and i've found A little bit of. I don't know academia. Uh talking about this parallel with astor right. Because in the story we have A lot of elements we have the unsympathetic king. To god's people you've got heritage Bank with with guests. You've salomon esther who actually were probably about the same age at the time. Like at the different times of these stories Both our existing to please the king. What they're doing both are offered an oath. And both os contain the verbiage up to half the kingdom. It's really how similar that is. And i saw something else In the mid rash there's a character one of the seven unix. Nassar story He's he's given a name. His name is Mimicking i think is how you pronounce it and He he was so offended. That if you ever listen apso go back. And let's do it. But he was so offended at what he did by not dancing for the men. Do you know what he said. Should happen to her he she. He wanted her to be decapitated. Inter head put on a platter which is so strange. How similar the headings common sure. And it was really like i'd read. The beheading was common because he was the most at merciful execution. Yes it's quick. It's with picking as long as you got a good lake act. Sure a sharp source. So it's not like there was like a billion different ways to kill someone. And so i understand that but i i started to read some stuff and it was talking about. How mark. He didn't like plagiarize right but he might have been writing this in a way. That was Leveraging some common ideology of like remember in mission. Possible one when this happened. We're going to admission possible five so it'll make more sense. Could it have been god. That did that god or that version. Better sure so. There's maybe speak more to it. There's a if 'cause i'm listening to it's a it's called the great courses right. And there's a whole lecture series on king arthur and with its our banking. Arthur is There is more honor for. Hr writers to repackage An old story one cared if you just made something up which is crazy. Like if he's made up a story they'd be like cool bro. Like no one cares but if you told a common story but with a different twist there was so much more honor for that so i wanted to ask you and talk to her about like. Is there some aspect of this that mortgage like i don't know how this went down but i wanna leverage the story of esther and twist it and be like here's how butthole would do it because esa was so great. The only reason. I say that about god. We'll one like i if there's anybody who has a long memory it's god sure and who can go. I know what will impact people and powerful way plus in theory john. The baptist was always his destiny. Don't think his destiny was always this because he needed to like. There could not be this different lake. John the baptist sect versus jesus sacked like there had to be clearly jesus's ministry of like everything even though john pointed him. We know people who are like they point point point in. It's so like no but we love you. We don't care that you like like. I always think of taylor swift because i think of like John the baptist. Being the taylor swift of his day and age like where people would have been obsessed and wanted to know everything. And listen to everything they said. And taylor swift might've been pointing and saying no the nationals. We don't care about the national like you. We don't care about aaron. that's where we get it. He wrote music. But so the nationalist jesus in this. I'm not saying there. But you know what i mean like that people could have made it out to be like we don't care what you're pointing us to you or that you think this artist is good. We only care about one so wrapped up in you. Because i know that people get wrapped up i just know from human history people get wrapped up in the human or the person that they like. And even if that person is preaching are talking about god or jesus. They only get attached to the earthly pastor. You know and so. I like the that god would go. I'm gonna need a scene here sherbourne. This is the destiny this is your even to piggyback off. That i like the idea of the story because with essar. It's it's Hedging off a genocide of the people. Right that's how she steps in and saves with john the baptist. It's almost like you If we're everything's building to the crucifixion resurrection. You need the dark night of the soul. You need everything going bad. Jesus nine being recognized in his hometown. People rejecting his disciples john. The baptist is dead. Our pets has falling off like everything has to be bad. So that eventually won't jesus comes back. It's like holy crap. This is actually really good now. You know what. I mean so Obvious should see what. Aaron says about decapitated heads and interpretation way. We good How let's do some suppose as we wrap this up. How villainous is the villain in the story for you. At first i was. I went light on her But then i realized man you used your own daughter to enact her revenge a daughter who you like. We're like no. I don't wanna be married your dad anymore. Like like the whole. Thing is very sketchy. And the fact that she's held a grudge and her sole focus has been this so to me. It makes her seven point five. Yeah i i'm gonna do I'm gonna do a six. Because he was already in custody and this was going to happen eventually so she just kind of happened to be the one the weaponize it. I don't want to say like i almost respect. Despite you know. Because i don't know how long she hung onto this but you could tell every day like she woke up she was like. How do i get to kill john. The baptist you know what i mean like there was a commitment to the villainy to it so in that respect i recognize what she's doing trade game recognize game. That's right. so what is the local store. well i do think it actually is. John the baptist. It's because of the first part of the story. What i like is in the same way that she had solitary focus on. I'm so angry at him. Everybody knows i hate him so much. I hate him so much. And talk about it all the time and my husband's like totally annoyed bobby. At the same way is that john the baptist. How to solitary focus. He's like i live in the wilderness. Like i have one job. I've known it since the womb. Like this is my job. And this is the thing i'm doing. I even imagined like john about us. Like when i go to heaven and i meet him in the holy ground scott drop. I will be curious. What did you think when they came in and they had a they had an axe going to decapitate. Going to your first question is how did you feel when i had an axe which is gonna maybe awesome locust question good but i want to affect. What were you thinking. was it lake. Oh i knew this was going to happen i. This is more curious. Yeah i've lived my life of purpose. And i'm going on to where the chaff doesn't burn forever. Yeah like i don. I'm just curious what he thought because it felt like he knew this was his destiny. Because especially when you think about how dark the times were. i always imagine. He wasn't in that so alone with other he was zone cycles that they had all been taken out like so many of them and they were hanging by threads. Yeah you know. That's where like. I want the john the baptist the prequel but just like the meanwhile stories of like i know we had a relationship at the king. I know he was i. Hey you can't marry this woman blah blah blah. But we don't get any of that in the text. And i kind of miss out on like you know after about jesus like what he do. Do you go to boca. Like what did he get up to. And what was the. What was the charge that landed him in prison. Yeah yeah why. Was he in jail already card. Stuff like that Yeah i like You know. I obviously it's john the baptist but it's just his whole commitment not to the bid just his commitment it. It doesn't seem like he was a guy that was like i'm trying to maintain a character. It was just. This is who i am. So would you ask me. I'm gonna give you my opinion and it's always gonna be shrouded with holiness in from the the larger spiritual context that comes down through. And there's you know. I think there's the trope of the itinerant preacher or teacher whatever that is kind of wild and everything but i think that's always of draped in a populous message of. I'm doing this to steal influence. But i really think john. The baptist is the platonic ideal of the itinerant preacher. Who is just doing his thing and he doesn't have a twitter account doesn't really care what happens isn't going for cloud. He's just doing what he feels like. He's supposed to do this well. Yeah we don't do anymore. But i want to do an l. in the season i want to do an al she every church pageant that may john the baptist have crazy hair and act like he was dirty literally lived by the water and probably took vows all the time and he actually and what do you think what kind of hair products you think. We're in the city. Do you think people were putting in like Bedhead products in their hair. Everybody else had great hair. Patagonian like a caribbean or on it. It's not gonna be deal guys you just like he was kinda granola like show okay. Why don't we wrap application repertoire. So what who cares okay. So just like knocked about emmy ways. Heredia is new testament counterpart to esther. She's at the banquet. It's essentially given a choice of anything. She wants in the world up to half a kingdom. Esther was given the exact same choice and she asked for a powerful ruler to spare. The lives of innocent people road was that choice and she asked for a powerful ruler to murder an innocent man and have his head on a platter to be table core again. I'm always looking for myself. In these stories. Just as a reader and a follower of god and and i think you know aunt who is trunk with power who speaks to you soon regrets it but still gives in. Because he's worried what people will think or my rodeos and i always have thought no. I'm not rodeo. no i'm asking for head on a platter manatt. I am 'cause sometimes. I wish bad luck or harsh circumstances to fall upon those who have criticized me or my business or my work or people who've made me angry do ask sometimes use my fence to account to check in on those perceived enemies and lament when life seems to be going well for them. Maybe there's a bit of heredia after all maybe an to I think we need to find a way to not let that unhealthy obsession with the success or failures of others consumers. We may need to and friend or and follow or block some folks not an attempt you keep them from seeing us but more in an effort for us not to see them to not be tempted by the rage and the revenge that comes calling when we see a new post or any tweet or a new video we need to take that energy and focus it on our own cells our own growth and our own sixty s. That's really good. My my so workers is very similar in premise. To yours too because that parallel of esther and sal me like really spoke to me but obviously you know i. I've spent a lot of time talking about how. I'm most interested in people after they get power because i feel like that tells you who they really are things like money or power. That doesn't really change people as much as it reveals who they really are. And i think that's true story today as well. You know with astor She by james said she used her opportunity and power to save her people even at the risk of endangering herself proving that she was self less with sallet under the influence of her mother. They used the opportunity to do harm to arrival proving that they were selfish. So the big thing away from me in the story is about What do you do when you have power. You have privilege when you have money. And and what do you want with that. Are you being selfish. Or you being selfless and i know you know you might be listening thinking. I'm never going to have political power. I'm never going to have millions of dollars. Or i'm never gonna have the privilege of having hundreds or thousands of people watching or listening to me. Most us won't but i think in our everyday interactions every single one of us experienced tiny moments of power and with those we have the opportunity to use it for good. Maybe it's with a loved one who requires your forgiveness. Do you extend grace to them or do you constantly needle and remind them about their failure. Maybe it's something kind of silly with a customer service representative or a waiter. Do you talk down to them just because you can or you treat them like a living breathing person. Maybe it's with yourself. You know like with your failures or your doubts or your regrets but do obsess on those or do you cast off that condemnation and that self loathing and allow yourself a chance to try again. Whoever you are however you are and wherever it is that you find yourself with the opportunity of power lie gaster in unlike sallemi. I urge you to see how you can leverage it to serve and help others instead of always just looking out for yourself. And lastly before go we're going to end with an accountability segment. We call eight gentle review with our resume. Bible scholar airman as traditionally we send this episode to erin and she in turn replies with her issues which we face the music for and full disclosure. Aaron his senior creative of her company the podcasts media group. She's also a professional bible studies writer and editor and she's been in power to give him full immunity to check our bill. Tones for sacrilege or any bill elements. We've misrepresentative misinterpreted along the way now. Here's the general rebuke so. Let's talk about baptism macktaz you so we did a full kind of more in depth over you. A baptism in the bible scholar cutaneous number ten so on the bench seminary. That's right and if you join seminary not to do an advert oriel in the middle of this. Well but you'll get access to all the archives so you can listen to all the s q tna and we went real deep in that. I'm but i'm just going to give us a quick overview here Baptism did come about like you said out of a jewish right of cleansing or mikva. If you listened to season three david season of the battlements you might remember us talking about bethsheba mikva but very quickly mikva is just a pool of water from a natural source it has to be quote unquote living water so that It's it's movement. It's not a stagnant pool. It's not like you go out to the puddle in your yard living water. If it's gotta have movement you mean you has to be like a fountain like a wave pool. It's got to have some sort of way to have the water. Come in come in and maybe not leave but like whatever yes it can be rain water but it it's the you can't leave your mcvea up all year long no you can. Nobody should get in stagnant water ever. That's a great. It's a good rule that But they It was used for immersion cleansing rituals in the jewish faith. You get in the mikva to perform something called tavola which is full body water immersion. That cleanses you for weddings. Conversions and from menstrual cycles. Similar jackie relations contact with the dead body and other things john. The baptist made baptism by the popular during his ministry. It's really kind of hard to say whether john started what we refer to as baptism in the name of jesus christ which is the christian baptismal ritual that we think of today or if he was just kind of an adjacent pioneer that was pushing a baptism of repentance in general so okay next This is not a rebuke a clarification nasserites versus s. Seen versus nuns. Oh as as you often compare you actually might so now's right vows. They had to abstain from wine and anything made from a grapevine which includes like cream of tartar. I did not know that you can't cut your hair. And you don't touch people or graves. These are actually not. I'm kinda into all of that okay. So essien s. I dunno helped me. So josephus lists the s scenes in the jewish war as one of the three sex of jewish thought. In with including the pharisees and the what the song be yeah s okay know what happened so according to him if you were going to abide by this particular sect no sex no property or money you observe the sabbath. You're into the mikva okay. You broke bread together. You didn't get mad Also weirder stuff like you preserved secrets and you were mindful of the names of the angels. Whatever that means house seeks. Do not to have secrets that. I don't like anything else because like man. The math rides rely. Don't you wanna be an ass right like because the other thing is you could be in a scene. Yeah and also. I'll just be honest with you proof. In the pudding. I saw samson. He was like super strong. So i get like. I'm like that's cool. I don't feel like an sem guy who's like also you've got to own a bell s seems couldn't own a cowbell it's complicated and sex or bread kind of no they bred brad. Threat your money honestly. It says like break bread together so you can't be by yourself. And that's the only way breath on the baptist has been tentatively identified as both in as an se scholars kind of believed that the missionary type work that john did calling people to repentance would be out of character for the scenes mainly because they were pretty inwardly focused not supposed to relief. Yeah they were not evangelical in that way Now nuns let's talk about nuns catholic vans take a lifelong vow after kind of an initial test period of one to three years of poverty. Chastity and obedience. So it's not as specific as the others but tough things to give up right Whereas announcer right could take a temporary vow An scene wasn't really vowing to anything. They were just a hearing There's some overlapping of the then diagram here. So i don't think you're too terribly far off the nuns could sing though because his sister at obviously cannon the you're welcome okay so Salam as dance so we don't really know how she danced on of. We know that we don't have an answer to that. I know but when oscar wilde wrote his play that features sallet he talks about something called the dance of the seven veils which is probably like taken from mediterranean and middle eastern dances of his time. Not necessarily like belly dancing probably there is a fake letter that is from the sixth or seventh century. That's really between herod antipasto and pilot where herod is discussing salam as death that she was playing over an iced over pond so eighty from little women. She broke through the ice and the sharp shards decapitated her. That's that happened in little women. That's not the movie. Sorry capitated fell into the bond fell into the pond out. I'm sorry i didn't. I didn't intend for the metaphor to extend to the decapitation. Okay apologized but that's fake. That's not real big final destination. Yeah really hard really really hard okay. So relic corner. Probably already so. John's relics are interesting. Because there are tons of his supposed body parts all over the world because they got broken up and you know a simple he was beheaded so definitely yeah so. His body is potentially in a mosque in damascus. Maybe this is. Also the mosques where muslims believed jesus will return at the end of the world. His body may have gone back to jerusalem. There is also a rumor that horota's was like throw that body out the window and over the wall like just get it out throw it outside the city. Yeah it may have gone back to jerusalem. It may have gone to alexandria around four hundred. it might be in armenia. The traditional spot is a mosque in modern day. Palestine in a place called sebastioa. that's also claims to have the bodies of odia and elisha. You know i had a revelation. Just now let's say to aaron. I realize now that you love frolic corner. No i'd i love. I feel about like saint body. Parts embodies like you feel about the mid rash. I just roll my eyes at it completely because you don't believe it. I just think it's so stupid. Honestly one of these places. I was reading one of these they. They found a body like in the basement of the church or something and they had tested and it was like this is from the first century so they were like jesus no they were like about this is she gonna be. I know. we're like his earthly vessel. Whatever the way we colorado the lines of just like it's sad air tonight. Tell you all about. Our relics are relics and ravioli. Listen no that's judas. damascus. Got juice taint. And then there's a pinky over here like you say you were just talking about like you gotta replies yourself you touch body Unless it's a special dead body and then like you just grab over that you wanna touch. It know. we're not. We're not Seeds we can touch that. Come on guys please. so hit the head. Okay okay. i understand love. Which john also can we do a rebuke inception review because polls before this. She felt to frantic listens back. How how do you feel. Davey was great her. Excuse now. it's great. I think it's great actually think it's the listeners. She sitting office her legs across cash on her lap. Really good stolen by your story. To was bombed bruce springsteen and they had they were all my corner with drinks. Not like i got new level. I support that okay. Let's talk about john. The this ahead so the mosque in damascus also says they have it It might have been buried. At the mount of olives then exhumed then reburied it might have been buried at herod and heredia his palace. The naturally found again during constantine's reign but that feels like some good old tinian propaganda so his hands and fingers and the cloth that was used to catch his head are also said to be kept in like really weird places. Germany bulgaria india. Istanbul missouri is literally one of them. There's a little. Caesar is the garden of eden. Ever yeah okay. So let people so parallels esther i loved that you notice this because this is actually a really big deal That the story of esther probably isn't for christians as important as it is for jews but permits a huge holiday for jews. It's it's pretty much their christmas. I love allotting story with esther because it's about deliverance right. Esther worked to deliver her people from haymond. J. the was working to deliver people from senate into the custody of the messiah. So esther rabba which is a later mid rash version of esther actually has bashed his head on a plate. Okay so there's like another big payroll so we have to remember that the writers of the gospels would have been really familiar with these stories. And i think mark saw a parallel with the stories they grew up with. He would wanna highlight those it. That's a natural inclination for storytellers and it would stir his jewish audience to dig into those similarities and see what that was like the one division of the jewish world paying she nodded. I heard she should fun. Fact perm starts tonight when we're recording know that all right so that is it for general for this free episode but as always there are many more gentle rebuke included in the ad free episode patriot supporters. Get in the bible been seminary this week. We're talking about hell and some other stuff if you like ad. 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"It's really good now at the getting Siemian and Bassett for smart like you mentioned earlier what do you So they just really saliva Chris Davis and I think that was good that he had denounced fires is pitching or is given I I have seen fires I would be at least CBS listening fire. I would be shocked if they would throw a lefty out there and especially when fires should've started the wildcard game at Yankee Stadium, two years ago I think it's about time I left that guy. Pitching. I agree with you and I think you're talking about, you know we don't have eight, nine, hundred, eighty, nine guys bad, ass. Can Sake I remember sitting in the bleachers and you know an eighty eight and we're in high school and I mean can take goes out there and the place is packed is people are just excited about him and then you get into left field ricky's out there and handy and bad boys club. You. Know I mean I hate to Liam Hendriks primary bad ass. Guy. We have on the team right now. So I mean he's the guy that's always Giving, and then again I know you know all of us just watch the you know anyway. Okay. My final question is did they said did by winning yesterday, we had won an elimination game first time since ninety two but I thought we had an eliminate game, the two thousand series against the Yankees when Zito beat him and then we came back and forth game five. Am I wrong or? Yeah, you're wrong. We we had that series and the series against Boston. We were the ones. They were the ones that had to fight back. We were the ones that choked every year. So we were up to we, I remember I remember Zito wins game four in two thousand. So we. We Were the team we were the team with one more win and I remember the Yankee game that they're gonNA play at the very next day all the as had to win. Win that what they do throw Dr Gil Heredia, there was something disaster. You'll get. Right. Get back all of us were at the raiders game. Watch. The niners. Tim. Tim Brown did catch winning touchdown and then we rolled across an. was overtime. Right. And then kill gives a five and the older guys in the bleachers because terrence long job at five. All Tino. Martinez. But it was pretty tough. Pretty tough catch. All right. Final One final point me that you already catches I think Vince. Jewelry, Catch Mark Canada was game saver right there yesterday. So you to go in the thirties so good man we you know we'll take our shots today and I always I'm big history guy like humanity. Cortez right when he when he invades Mexico fifteen, thousand, nine, hundred burns, all his ships and said, there's no retreat. So Rick, there's no retreating today man we gotta we gotta get this. I like the reference thanks a lot Chris, I, appreciated. In Oakland. Thanks for the call man. We're, GONNA call up but then the genocide against the native People Cortez Evil it's just a reference. Cana. Playing in left field. made a fantastic catch that was going to bounce off the wall. and. I don't even think he knew he caught it hit the hill of gloves off the top for an ice cream cone. And I. Know People were trying to think jury charity was a fantastic outfielder Cana as Baz. Doesn't know what he's doing. I. Know Him a little bit harsh on him I. Don't even think he knows what he's doing. And by the way, Liam Hendriks got a Austin slater type of call it a pitch that was almost six inches inside. Ring a guy up and I was just thinking if we don't get that gift that absolute present. Re, at really shows you just how I to me. Hendrix might be weakest guy. The as has have ever had because I've seen is going to Yankee stadium with their tail between their legs. Talking about against Chris against the red SOx against the Yankees two years in a row. Here it is. We're GonNa win and then Oh no no, we're going to win on and they just get it so. Get, so intimidated. I hate how intimidated they get? All the people who have backed down I think Liam Hendriks is the number one weakling in the history of the team. Now using Henrik you really harsh this. This is the thing though. And this also shows you. I'm not into the the universe and all the spacey stuff. But yesterday after the game. And I go for a run slash walk whatever like run all the way down the hill walk backup it sixty floors. According to my phone anyway. and. So this comedy podcast and it ends. And it automatically, it went to an old pod. Michelle. I was doing with Michael on ninety five seven the game over two years ago and it may it immediately went into urban laughing at me going? Wow, you really hate Hendrix. This is to is our. was like mid show and I thought why don't why is this even on my phone? It. Just popped up me being hendrix. So. And the thing is during the regular season. A lot of people know that I've gone on the record that. I. I let my phantom getting in the way, and this is one thing that you know is not a good thing to admit but my phantom does get in the way. These guys who let me down and let me down and let me down and athletes trying their hardest. What does he carries from Perth? Australia is actually a really nice guy talked on before I got nothing personally against him. It's just that there are people who step up in the playoffs like Bassett or classic people who step up like Derek jeter who's career average went higher in the playoffs and there are guys who s the bed. and. They messed their pants. And this is something that he's done relentlessly why I hate the fact that he's still on the team. So since I've been so on record with my disdain for this guy. During the season Rick only one blown save people lay rhyme emails a tweet at me ha ha you wrong about him you're on but. I've never said anything about the regular season. That's that's fine. That's great. It wasn't for him. We don't get here. Some people said, he needs a cy young or an MVP. frosted. Flakes. I'm so sick of failure in the playoffs for my team. So sick of being intimidated weaklings Howard's. As of done they're like, oh, we're so lose for plan with remote controlled car swishes hair is long. Chubby laughing it up and they ha we're gonna be we're going to eliminate you and then boom there it is and then. They they get nervous and they lose. And Liam Hendriks was the guy who went on record saying we want the Astros could you to shut your kangaroo mouth? When UH series actually win damn game. And the as were spared now I this is the thing Fleming was like the get an extra game this year otherwise they would have been out actually you're wrong day Fleming because they were division winners. They were division winners that was never going to happen. All right I got Charlie on the line, but I've got less than a minute in this segment. So thoroughly once you give me a call back. And Twenty five my time. Charlie out there in New York and you got a lot to say and I don't want to. Give you a minute I. Have a guest coming up here. In the next segment from the discovery channel. So Charlie give a call back at a time ten, twenty five and I'll let you. Let you event? is so mark Cana being miked during the game. It's the most sprint training thing. You Got Jessica Does Day, Fleming who don't know the as from a hole in the head they're in their homes. Why can't they even at the game? They're sitting in their houses watching the game on TV. They don't give a damn and their professional I like both those people they both been on the show. Dave's been in studio. They're nice people, but it just doesn't feel like national broadcasts and then they put a microphone on Cana. Was a chicken with his head, cut off and left field. Just. I know say, Rick Oh man you're complaining so much is because Hendrix Burns me so bad other than that everything's great. All right. Come on back. Change topics. 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Of the guests from that show and we welcome another one today Dr Whitney bronze here to talk about a new show called the lost Lincoln. And this is going to debut on October fourth at Nine PM Pacific. And Eastern. Dr Bronner. Welcome to the show. It's great to have you with us The thing about Lincoln is that even though you think about the Matthew Brady days of photography are still just really over a hundred pictures of Lincoln on record and this is GonNa take a look about that. Maybe there was one. Can after he was shot as that kind of the gist of this. And you can just call me Whitney It's that yeah there's there's about well, there are one hundred thirty images that are sort of recognized as they. Can you know that the undisputed acknowledged images of Lincoln there other images out there that people are you know have said for years like you know we think this might be Lincoln and For various reasons they've last either you know. or or something about the statium feature hasn't been right or you know there's been some sort of pieces of discount it. But what we're preventing Nick documentary that we believe this is would be technically hundred thirty first known in blinking, but it would be the one, hundred, thirty, one taken because there was an image of him and cast it several days after he passed away laying and state in New York. So that's what we're we're presenting. Documentaries the research that went into the hedge. I've been to a lot of Americans have I've been inside the Ford Theater and then walked across the street and saw the Peterson House where he was taken and. I not little room and that little bad. what is the was this a picture that we believe was was hidden was forgotten about was kept. Classified what's the new Info on this picture? So that that's the question because. The image. was found ultimate ultimately in the possession of woman named Margaret. Hanks who is what she talked on marketing and making eighty six. But in nineteen, eighty two, she gave the photo along with a bunch of other photos of the Hank and Lincoln family members. to to get 'em any Larry David in Quincy Illinois. The tells us the oral history and the permanence that she shared and so basically what the documentary kind of presents is the sequence of events that sort of makes sense in historical timeline for when the image would have been taken and how it made its way to Quincy Illinois where Lincoln had relatives. and then it stayed in their possession until the last of Dean. Of the Hicks who are Lincoln Mother Nancy Hanks. So it'd be linking maternal is. The last of these tanks, the Quincy passed away in nineteen eighty six and she didn't have any family, and so she gave it to a gentleman that she developed a friendship with. and you know she she during her lifetime and I, I never met her obviously she she she passed before I even knew of the existence of the. and. It was just know in her family that it was a picture of of Lincoln and so. The question then became okay. We've got this forum history from her and she stipulates you know how it was taken and the circumstances under which it was taken but. Now, can we use science and other objective sources you know kind of The A curse story holds water, and so that's what we we do and the documentaries that have a two hour journey You get to kind of see all the different scientific forensic crosses. And then just you know gumshoe detective work going to the Library of Congress and the National Archives and. Looking through old newspaper articles I might go felt and try to piece together this tapestry of Alaska years. Very interesting. You know. I've seen a couple times especially with the Gettysburg address that you know there's. Knowing how crude cameras were at the time and Howard but he was supposed to stay still and it was. Be Mad at the photographers for these pictures but people will look at this massive black and white blots and say. That's his hat. No no, that's not him and then someone's like, Hey, I found a new that guy's Lincoln. It's sometimes impossible because. Remember the Gettysburg address. There's like fifty different opinions on which guys Lincoln. Yes well, I think what? Five hundred nineteenth century photography it turns into a by worship tests you know taking looking at image right I think I see I see the Dalai Lamas in there you know and I think what? What? Special about this picture? Is that it is a very clear. Framed image of the face. So we've got you know cheekbones to measure and a nose to measure and physical characteristics like texturing the skin and you know we've got details that can actually be tested with modern techniques as opposed sort of the guessing game trying to analyze an old colonial image you know that that's Something taken one hundred yards away. So this gives us unprecedented an opportunity. To to put like. Face. Recognition technology to the cats up against you know having researchers that study you know things ranging from human skin to You know the technique of photography of the dead in the nineteenth century to cut up all the way in, and then the way we presented at the end of the documentary is a here. You know here's a preponderance of evidence you ultimately decide. you know but but we think we know we feel pretty confident. We've made extensive tape. and I think the thing to remember here you can never say something doesn't. Something doesn't exist. Right. You can only say it does like I I can't say. Definitively something you know Doesn't exist if I can't prove it, but I can say look these fact lineup. and then, and then you know you judge. The category imperatives? Immanuel. Kant right is that you can't prove that there's no. God, right so you can't prove. Fixer. One, hundred, percent, hundred percent. it it it to me. I mean to me it's a fun challenge right to with any image. I mean. I'm not even just this one but I, but I love to take. Old Photographs and an old items for that matter does that photograph but let's just use a photograph example you know. A picture that was taken with a polaroid. Could have been taken any time after the polaroid was invented I just know it couldn't have been taken before. So you just make big checkoff list and go through you know and you ever hit a point where you're like, oh, this can't be well then you're dead the water, but he goes through the entire list and there's nothing it can't be. That's when the fun begin you know, and then you start digging deeper and trying to to go more into historical record and it's just it's just fine and he just researches. Dot. com more questions for Dr Whitney Brown about discoveries the loss Lincoln. I I see a guy who's been on this show a couple times Dr Bennett I'm although, of course, who will Smith famous in that concussion movie the Guy who discovered cte more or less you bring in you bring him in kind of a forensic pathologist, right? Yeah. So so essentially what we did in the documentary is we provided there is there there's an autopsy report for Abraham Lincoln and so that that is readily available and and a public document, and so we provided that Dr Milo and then gave him the photograph wine. And I mean the sense that we didn't tell him what the circumstances of the picture were where it came from anything like that we just gave the. And we asked him to analyze the image. In comparison to the autopsy and and say what you see in the image consistent with what you're reading the autopsy and so That was just that was fascinating to listen to him He says, it's an interesting y you know. Tell me how you died, and I can tell you all about how you live and he's such an interesting guy to talk to, and then you know he he can. He can observe. Clue you know he picks up on the rest of us just wouldn't necessarily see because of his training and and and and he's just a cool person you just a cool person, the doctor. In a way. It's Kinda Morbid timing I. Mean right after debate of candidates was Jerry Springer show now here's A. Dead. President maybe our greatest president ever who got shot in the head. Yeah I mean, that's that's that's a question that you know I thought about a lot and and I think. It's It's not a grim and edge and and people might go. Well, he's dead. It's of course it's and I I I? Don't see it that way I mean I see it as. He was humid. You know and and all of us all of the. Death and taxes right. They're gonNA come for all and and. You know seeing seeing a person in the image. In, a state that is just very human I think is is very poignant and I guess I don't see it as. As necessarily being grim as much as maybe a reminder of humanity and you know that that. We're all human. We all have. We all have our weaknesses and and you know to appreciate. A person for. The content of their life as opposed to you know just just looking at the cottage. So I hope that at the end of watching it whether you believe the images real or not. I hope that you still kind of view it as sort of a love letters Lincoln. and and not and not fixing on the idea deceased. Right, last question for you have, you had any pushback from naysayers who say, oh my gosh this is another Al Capone's fall just leave it alone. Yeah That is that does but I? I think that you know here's the deal because the picture depicts. Him. We believe right I mean you decide that you have to decide because the picture depicts. A person in death. I think. because. I used to be EMT and I work in healthcare as my main job I'm a bioethicist and not a stranger to seeing these people. I'm very familiar with the fact that a person in life and a person three minutes later look the death look very different. It's kind of like how do you describe how something looks when they're dead you Kinda can't but you know it when you see it, you know like you know your loved one in the casket is not alive. They look you know theoretically there features are the same but they're but they're not. And I, think that people are going to push back largely e because they're gonNA, look at. The Lincoln I. You know. I'm familiar with Lincoln on the five dollar bill or the or the the monument where Lincoln you know in his prime. And so I would hope that people are open minded to the scientific and distorting evidence that would you know that that we used to make our case but I hope people would also remember that. This picture is taken after four years of civil war and losing to children, and you know you see pictures the presidents today you know when they interrupt office and when they leave you seen just the dramatic effect it has how rapidly ageism and I would just hope people would sort of you know keep that in mind that that. The the evidence, the site of the evidence and historical record are in favor of the photo, and when we know what now it's a visceral reaction. Well, that's not the Lincoln and recognize well, I. Hope People with sort of pause and say you know look at what presidents have looked like in the past after four years of peacetime. Let alone you know four times, four years of war and all the Wasp Syrians. And Mary. Todd who drive you crazy to we've been speaking with Dr Whitney Braun Eight. You know what? You're pretty good on the radio you ever do a show or a podcast. Oh Man I would love to this is actually my this is my first time on a radio show and it's such an honor. Thank you. Thank you for for breaking the in. The media? I didn't break in anything gear on natural and we WANNA make sure everybody checks out on the discovery channel on October fourth nine o'clock eastern. Pacific. The Loss Lincoln Dr Whitney Bron whose careers going to skyrocket and broadcasting after this interview. Thank you so much for being on today. Thank you. Thank you so much. Take care. I'm rick to come on back on. Bilan. Attention homeowners do you have a house that's in need of serious repairs? Do you have tennis at never seem to make their monthly payments? How about code violations past due taxes or maintenance costs? You just can't afford. 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04:19 min | 9 months ago

3 Things To Do In Your Next Job Search After Quitting

"This work matters with bestselling author and syndicated talk show host Ken Coleman. It's Tuesday August four. To about. Those of you heredia quit you might have been ready to quit. Prior to Cova. The data had held pretty steady over the last several years. Of about sixty eight to seventy percents in that range of people were unhappy in their work. The two reasons for this. If I'm keeping these high level would be number one you just not passionate about the work. We'll talk about that a little bit more but you just had no passion for the wave. You're good at it, but it's just it's just no no juice. The second reason is you're in a really difficult culture filled with difficult leadership maybe toxic co workers those tend to be the really big reasons that people WANNA quit. So. Maybe you were that way before covert or maybe you weren't maybe covert and and the way that companies have reacted and all the changes everything maybe it's just Nudge you to say you know what? I wanted to quit anyway. This global pandemic is kind of brought everything into. Hyper focus as it relates to priorities. That's what crises tend to do for all of us. Give a super clear perspective. On what really matters and so I just want to run through a couple of things here. That you need to do if you're ready to leave because we gotta get. A mindset and we gotta have a plan to leave as much as we do. To go acquire something else. So the first thing is you gotta get clear. Okay. You gotta know what your sweet spot is. You gotTA understand it. You GotTa know what that unique role is within the sweet spot. And then begin to look at the marketplace to say what's out there that will allow me to fill my unique role. Second thing is do some research on other countries you begin to identify. Possible companies that have jobs that you're intrigued by that. You think are in your sweet spot you gotta do your homework now specifically looking at websites like glassdoor career bliss vault and really look at the current and former employees get a better sense of the company's values. Also dive into your network to see if you know somebody that works at this company Richardson or do you know somebody that know somebody whether it's three, four, five degrees of separation. That's where you get vital information about what it's really like inside. The walls. Now. One thing I want to put out there is this don't read two or three negative comments and make a conclusion. It ought to be thirty comments and if twenty eight of the thirty or twenty, five of the thirty or twenty of thirty are negative than we've got a pattern here, and that's trustworthy data don't just take one opinion of somebody who's unhappy and paint with a brush. That's dangerous. Now, let's say you get to the opportunity to. Get the interview. This is important. We talk about this in my how to win the interview guy which is free can call me dot com. Interview, the interviewer that like the the interview isn't just about you showcasing yourself the interviews about you. Taking the opportunity. Get. That antenna up and see if you sense anything that would concern you about the culture. Because on one hand, you're by relieving negative culture who don't WanNa step right into another negative culture. You WanNa talk about feeling like you're stuck that would do it. So in the interview, asking questions about describe the culture to me here, what kind of person wins in this place kind of person loses in this place, those kinds of questions which are all reflected in our how to win the interview guide Ken Coleman Dot, com those are the questions you need to ask, and that's how you make sure that you're moving on. To a better place. If you like what you're hearing. Make sure to subscribe and share work matters with a friend for help on your career journey listened to the Ken Coleman Show podcast part of the Ramsey network.

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Lost that Lovin Feelin?

Fixer Upper Marriage

26:52 min | 6 months ago

Lost that Lovin Feelin?

"This is the fixer upper marriage podcast because marriage without maintenance or break. I am you're happily married host Jason Parham. Together, we're learning how to make marriage and love better. Have you lost that loving feeling? Okay let's try to figure out how to get that back. For notes and references visit fixer upper match dot org slash lost love. God's creation of love is one of the most amazing things of life. He created people with Ursa love and be loved by someone else. People Dream about love they read about love. And they wish for love to find them. Love is like the Big Bang of life. Is when two people collide in a way that fundamentally obviously course of their lives. Loves feeling. And emotion a commitment. A longing desire and a desperate need. was you fall in love with someone? It doesn't matter what happens. That person is always with you. I remember the moment I let go of everything my past, my fears, my hopes and my dreams. I just let myself fall. And the only thing there to catch me. was his overwhelming force of love. Or devastating Meyer of her and defeat. But love caught me. Now, I never want to let go. When I look into the eyes of my lover is see everything I ever wanted and everything I have in this life. If you have found love believe in it nurtured and fight for it because if you let it slip away, you may never find it again. Ronald Reagan, the fortieth president of the United States. To his wife. Nancy. I'm more than lovely. I'm not whole without you. You are life itself to me when you're gone. I'm waiting for you return. So I can start living again. But. Love is something that comes with risk. There is this long trail of lost love broken hearts and deep regret. So what do you do when you feel your love is slipping away? Are you wake up one morning and realised I've Lost My love? How do you get it back and how do you take two broken hearts and put them back together again What do you do when you've lost that? Loving feeling. Falling. Out of love is something that is addressed in the Bible. In a letter to the Church at Ephesus in the book of Revelation Chapter Two verse for. Nevertheless I have somewhat against because his left thigh I love remember therefore from Sarah Art Fallen and repent and do the first works. So, what do you do when you've lost that loving villain. Here's our table of contents. Remember what you had repent for your wrong repent for you're wrong and repeat what you did it i. Did here we remember what you had. Remember therefore from went. Sour fallen. Memories are loves treasure box. Memories are the things that you have that no one can take away from me. You build your love on this memories. It all starts the day you met those. Connect you to the moment and those memories just keep building and connecting until. You, fall in love and all those memories get electrified. Memories become the spark that ignites the passion of your love. And sometimes when you're right in the middle of hardship, you can't see anything except for what's right in front of you. You can't see any hope for the future and you can't see all the good from the past. It's like you just get stuck. But memories are God's gifts to lovers. You remember the romantic moments. The moment I I met my wife amber. It seemed like such a fleeting thing at the time. But it became so much more meaningful as we fell in. Love. Her is looking at me and heredia smile. It just changed my whole life. I think those first moments that could have gone either way that means the most to me now. Is those moments when I was the most vulnerable to her? So embrace moments with each other. Let. Those moments, right. The story of your love. And then there's the funny moments. Relive those moments when you laugh together about something. I really enjoy sharing a good laugh with my wife and they say laughter is the best medicine. The Bible even says much in proverbs seventeen, twenty two. A merry heart do with good like a medicine. And then there's the big moments. One. Of the big moments for me was when we first met. The first time we taught, which was kind of awkward for me especially like since I cannot carry on a conversation at all. It just as a safety precaution, I brought my sister along with me because if it didn't go well I knew that she could talk. and. One of the best days of my life was our wedding day. Sometimes we even look back on her wedding album. That's more my wife's thing but we have these amazing wedding pictures and we look back on those wedding pictures and. A friend of ours had eight photography business and he is absolutely amazing at it. If you ever want incredible photos that capture people are moments that you just can't beat I'll put a link in the show notes and in comments below. The little moments I think these are the moments that make or break your marriage. Is Living together through the good the bad and the ugly. That's what really matters and by the way I'm like the bad and the ugly in our marriage. When you go out to eat together when you take a walk or just watch a movie together, you are creating little moments. Those little moments all add up to something much bigger and meaningful your marriage. You make memory. So be deliberate and spending time together. The longer you're together the harder this becomes. When you get more responsibilities, you start having kids, it gets harder to make time for each other. But you have to make it like your mission to make time for each other even if it's in the small moments in those small moments, add up over time. We talked about this in an episode entitled how you can become deliberate in your love. I'll leave a link in the show notes but being spontaneous his great. But most of the time you have to plan things in order to make them happen. So with you want a better marriage, it doesn't just happen. You have to work at it. When you first following. Love. Feels like it just happens but staying in love takes a lot of work. Celebrate your love every chance you get. Be. Grateful that you have each other because. That may not always be the case. Something had happened to one of you are one person could decide to leave. You never know what's going to happen. So. Important to your time together while you have it because at time may be more limited than you realize. Choose to see the good in your spouse. You should make the choice to not focus on everything wrong with your spouse. Although important talk about things that bother you is also important to not let those things define your spouse to you notice a good things that you like about your spouse and let those things define who they already. You don't have to let your spouse is false kill your relationship in. Here's the big reveal in all of this guess what you have faults to. This reminds me a lot of my relationship with the Lord. He treats me according to the tiny bit of good. That's in me, and by the way he gets credit for all that tiny bit of good. He doesn't treat me according to my falls in you shouldn't treat your spouse according to their false either. Treat the bad memories as important as the good. I. Know it's hard when bad things happen. When amber now we're newly married. She delivered our first baby he was stillborn. My Dad suffered from a major stroke from which he would never really recover. Both of our cars wrote down and my job situation became unstable. All at the same time, but our love for each other with galvanize during that time. So even that was not good at the time. These are important parts of our lives together. So remember what you've had together remember what you had. Remember what you have. Secondly, God told the Church at Ephesus to repent. Repent for your own. In order to do this, you have to accept responsibility for your part of the relationship. It seems like today that everybody has an excuse. And I do understand how the sentiment of past experiences lead you to make the choices that you make now and how those past experiences shape who you are I get that. But I think that anyone could probably justify the wrong they do in this way because everyone has scars. Everyone has things in their past. Maybe yours are a little deeper are more obvious than others. But they're still there and if you allow hurt in your past control you. Then, you are choosing to allow those events in Europe pass to dictate your future. Today, there is this huge victim mentality that's pushed in our culture. I mean everybody is a victim of someone. Are something else whether it's real or perceived. But I'M GONNA. Tell you something there is no excuse for doing wrong in your relationship. You have to learn how to accept responsibility for your part of the problems that you're having. From when you first start having problems in your marriage. The first thing you think the first inclination is to point to the problems at your spouse has our is causing. As if those problems have led you to what you're doing, wrong. And there may be some truth to that. But you are still responsible for you. You can't control what someone else does, but you can control how you let those things affect you. After you've been married for a while you probably have enough negative baggage in your relationship to justify leaving your spouse. So, you can use that negative back as an excuse or you can just choose to let those things go. Falling out of love feels like something you can't control. But really it's tied to a little choices that you make to hold onto the negative things. So keep short relationship tab. Marriage is like housework. You can do a little bit of cleanup every day. Or. You can let things pile up and all those little messes turn to one huge mess. Marriage is the same way that you have the key the mess in your relationship cleaned up. If, you don't work on the little problem in your marriage as they come up, they will eventually become one big problem. Now, you can clean up the big mess in your relationship, but it will take a lot more time and work to fix it. Then if you would adjust fixed a little things here and there. Falling out of love is more about the things you do to maintain your relationship. Then, the big thing that you end up blaming. I have. Gone to church. My entire. Life. So I have seen some amazing things happen and some absolutely crazy things happen. But there's this pattern that I've seen with people they start out with all this excitement. When everything is new is a new church a new situation then little negative things eventually start happening then finally stumping happens that becomes the straw that breaks the camel's back. But. The last straw is really just an excuse for a ruined relationship. It was really all the little straws that were not dealt with at the time, and now they have become a huge problem. The marriage relationship following the same pattern. So consider the love online and you can see this love time-line fixer, upper marriage, dot org slash lost love. So in the time line, you see how the start of new love and then relationship disappointments come into play and communication challenges, specific problems, and one day sooner or later you come to this relationship decision point. And at that point, the love time line of your relationship can either go toward enduring love our failed love. But it's a choice that you make, you can make the choice to repent for the wrong that you've done in your relationship. Change their trajectory that your own are you can put your marriage in the tank. Is it choice is based on the choices that you make. So make a decision to change your mind. Decisions are very important in life and they are very important for eternity. When I first became a Christian it, all started with a choice that I made to ask Jesus, into my heart and life. This is how it worked I. I realized I was wrong I was wrong about the way I was living are wanted to live in glaciers three, twenty two but the scripture have concluded all understand that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe secondly I, regret it what I have been doing. The realization wrong was not enough. I had to be sorry for those things I had done and understand that I had really wronged. God. In Corinthians seven in verse ten for Godly Sorrow Worker repentance to salvation not to be repented of but the sorrow of the world workers death. And finally changed my mind I had to come to the place where I had to make a decision what I'd rather have him in my life are all the other things I have been holding onto for years. So I. Let go and I never looked back the Bible says in revelation three, twenty, behold I stand at the door knock if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him and we'll sub with him and he would me. So. God was at my door and I had to make a choice a decision to let him in. The change in my life. Of may take responsibility for the things I had done. Wrong. Regretting those things and changing my mind putting my faith in Christ. And then there are times as a Christian opt to go through this same process. A similar process happens in marriage. A decision point happens in your life and you have to change. The marriage relationship follows the same pattern of repainting and restoration. So you have to realize a wrong that you've been doing and your relationship. Instead of focus on all the things, your spouses done wrong, which is what we all want to do. Notice the things that your doing all? This is not like a comparison of wrong but a realization of your own so you shouldn't say. What I did is nothing compared to what my spouse did because you're not comparing but examining yourself. Be genuinely sorry for the things that you've done that are contributing to your relationship failing. Maybe. You have simply neglected your love for your spouse or you have allowed things into your mind that are toxic to your love. Sometimes being caught can cost sorrow for you're wrong. But being caught should never be your only motivation for change what she fully focus and realize you're wrong that sorrow for you're wrong can create this desire to make things different in that desire can be the start of a new beginning and your relationship. So make a decision to change. Now, you have to actually make decision. Is this one and your love time line that things can really change for good. What is your spouse? Doesn't make the same decision. You can't make someone repent from falling out of love. But you can repent yourself and that alone will change you and have a positive effect on your relationship. and. Sometimes just takes a little faith in initiative to influence change in the other person. So, you don't watch writing you making changes to yourself in the relationship can influence your spouse to do the same. Put Your decision into action. Now that you've made the decision to make some changes in your relationship, it's time to put those decisions and action. Knowing what you should do is not enough, but you have to actually follow through. Here. Are some tips for doing that? Start ugly. Look. Have to wait until you have everything together are everything perfect to start doing things differently. Just start with a little things. You can't change and little by little and bit by bit. You fix your relationship it's a lot like faith. Reading a few verses are chapter are a few chapters of the Bible everyday may not seem like much of a big deal but over time it adds up to building your faith in Christ. Doing the little things that you can will over time add up to something big and your marriage. So, start Hugli because if you wait till everything's perfect, you'll never start. And then tell your spouse you intend to change. They will probably notice a change without you even saying word. But telling them, we'll ask them accountability what you're trying to do. It adds like a higher level of commitment. So saying something like. I have been struggling with. You, fill in the. Blank. Lightly and I want you to know that I'm working on that. It helps you to follow through and it may influence your spouse to change also. Maybe, they've been wanting to do things differently to. And you making the choice to change is the one thing that pushes them to change. Notice your progress. It would be great if you could just decide, you were to change, go to bed and wake up the next day to a completely different relationship with each other. Unfortunately, that's not the way it works it takes time to change things. Most left stories are not instantaneous. Most love. Stories are not love at first sight. It takes time to fall in love, and so it takes time to get back to the love that you may have lost. So you remember what you had. You repent. In the third principle from the Bible is repeat what you did it first or do the first works. Don't miss all the good in your relationship. Sometimes it's easy to let the bad parts of your marriage overshadow everything good in the Bible verses that I read earlier in revelation chapter two. In the first part of that chapter God. Complements the Church at Ephesus for the good things they were doing before he points out their problems and even says something good about them afterward. So even though you may have some problems in your relationship right now. Don't. Let those problems find your relationship or your spouse. I'd bet if you tried. You can find some things that are great about each other. Isolate the problems in your relationship. Think of the things that are wrong as separate from the parts that are good. It's like this if your car needed new tires. You don't drive your car to junkyard and just leave it. No you save up you buy a new set of tires are you by? Are you like me by one at a time? Just because you're marriage is suffering you don't throw away all hope for your love. How about this right down the good parts of your love. It may help you to list all the things about your spouse that you like instead of the things that you don't, and the don't sometimes come a lot easier but maybe you could just write them down a notebook or better yet in a card your spouse. It helps us to recognize that there are good things in your love. And you know what? There's something powerful about writing things down. Even. If you don't show it to anyone remember the good things that drew you together when you first met and you started falling in love. You probably didn't think about anything bad about each other. If there was something negative, you probably just ignored it because you were so enamored with the good in the other person. Some of that is because you can high some of your negative traits for limited time, but it's mostly because he just fell in love with your spouse because of those things that you liked about them, I love the fact that my spouse and I shared a faith in Christ, and that was a huge part of why we're both even talking to begin with. But there were so many things about her personality and her looks that I liked and I still do. I still love those same things about her. Those are the things that define your love for each other, not the negative things that you can easily get called up in. Do the first works. Go back to where it all began. In the simplicity of the things that you like about each other and the simplicity other things that made you fall in love to begin with. You have to cut away all the baggage that has built up in your relationship. Just get back to the things that made you fall in love in the first place. You have to get back to the basics of being in love with each other and block out all this stuff that has built up around you. Accept each other as you are. One of the most amazing things about falling in love is someone loving you you are out of all the people in the world my wife saw something in me that made her want to spend her life with me. That is incredible. That is a part of being loved. That makes it so powerful. Doing the I work means getting back to that basic principle. Seeing through all the challenges in finding what major love work to begin with. I think that a lot of marriage resources approach things from a flaw perspective. It's like a perfect married couple are almost perfect explaining how you too can become a perfect or almost perfect couple just like them. But I think there's a deeper more profound meaning to what happens in marriage then learning to be the perfect couple. Marriage is about learning to love each other in spite of your imperfections. That is what makes the Gospel love story so life changing. He loves me with all. My. Imperfections 'em our problems. So, love in marriage should be all about learning to love each other with all your problems in through all the challenges. You don't always look like Barbie and Ken. Dolls. You won't always be in prime help. And you may even get under each other's skin sometimes. You might even have to work through some problems together. But being in love is all about learning to love each other through all of those things. Love. Is the vehicle that carries you through the journey of life together. and. That journey changes gets longer are harder. Is that vehicle of love that carries you through? But you have to stay that vehicle to make it through. Learn how to love each other as you are with all your faults. I mean after all that's how it all started. You blindly fell in love with each other despite all your fault despite your flaws now that love is more meaningful because back then you blindly fell in love back then you were stupid love and didn't see the problems that you had. But now you see all those things but you are still choosing to love each other with your Eyes Wide Open in the full knowledge of your imperfections but yet, you still choose to love each other. That's what love is. That's what makes love so amazing. The best love maintenance is preventive. In. The Bible the Church at Ephesus could have preventing losing their. I love by keeping up with it over time. The problem of losing their I. Love. was preventable. Where I work at safety is a big deal. When you have an accident is almost like insulting. They analyze all the things you should and could have done to prevent the accident. You should have on gloves you should have worn thicker shoes you should turn your turns allstate or are you should have been watching for potential accidents. Then, you have to sit down and watch these old boring poorly produced safety vhs videos without music until you're ready to like lose your mind. But the point they drive home is they you can prevent accidents most of the time. And the dirty little truth about falling out of love is it you can prevent it from happening. When you see your love start to fade away, you can catch it before it's gone. I watched this documentary about two teenagers in two thousand five who were fishing in a sailboat a few yards off the coast of south. Carolina. They slowly drift fall out in without realizing they were caught in a riptide. The rescue attempts by the Coast Guard eventually became recovery efforts. But six days. Later, they were rescued off the coast of North Carolina one hundred miles away from where they started. That's a lot like what happens in marriage. You don't even realize it. You're slowly drifting further away from each other and before you know it, he lost what you had. So in order to keep that from happening, keep an awareness of how you feel about each other constantly be aware of where you're at in your relationship. Learn to communicate how you're feeling with your spouse. Honestly evaluate your relationship often and then be deliberate in taking care of your love for each other. So, have you lost that loving filling remember what you had. Repent for your. And Rabih, what you did at birth. Thank you for listening to the big upper marriage podcast. To. See the notes from the day's episode end the love Tom Line visit fixer upper marriage, dot org slash lost love. If, you have found this episode. Helpful. Consider sharing with a friend. Remember, that God has great things plan for your marriage. So. Don't Miss It.

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Ep 46: Forced marriage and the importance of RSE

National Secular Society Podcast

42:43 min | 2 weeks ago

Ep 46: Forced marriage and the importance of RSE

"I think taking away education from your child massively limits their autonomy and who. That's forcing your child to marry. Somebody you that again. Ties them into the community has an auto and takes away the retirement. You're listening to episode forty six at the national secular thirty podcast produced by park. Despite being a criminal offence forced marriage is a problem within certain religious communities and brush according to the uk government forced marriage men vo physical violence but does not have to it can also include emotional and psychological pression. It is the psychological type of forced marriage that is concerned my first guest on this podcast eve. Sacks eve is a board member of nam an organization which aims to counter religious extremism within britain's jewish population in february this year now published a position paper co authored by even her colleague. Yet as fletcher on arranged and forced marriages with an ultra orthodox already communities. The paper examined the home that it can cause young women and meant be pressured into marrying without the full consent. One of the main ways of tackling forced marriage as the nss and other organizations have argued is through education in particular relationships and sex education or rss. In the second part of this post. I will be joined by makan madison head of policy and research at the nss to discuss what needs to be done. In order to ensure all children and britain have access to our assi we also look at the barriers in the law to the objective teaching of our asean faith schools and the impact which the narrow world view of some faith. Schools can have upon that student's ability to grow into fully autonomous adults. But first let's talk about forced marriages eve sacks. Hello hello let's start with a basic question of definition. How do carrot juice relate to other jews. i'm on the continuum firm orthodox and maybe isolated from society too liberal and fully integrated. Where would you put them. So if we're looking at the outdoor throats community which we prefer to call the karate community. Which is the term. They use themselves. This is just part of the community that are quite fundamentalist in their religious beliefs. So unlike can morton orthodox jews or liberal or progressive or traditional jews. They generally let them quite in insular communities on they generally have their own schools their own communities and they often don't have contact with those outside the communities nervously some do work and wider society but some were within the community so their entire life in the entire life experiences for some people could be within that community. How far do they speak english. So there's various so for the women. They speak english very well. The schools follow most of the national curriculum or the bits the national curriculum that they are happy and the girls will set multiple. Jcs's so the girls. English is completely fluent in parts of that community and there will be boys who attend the unregistered schools and the boys in that part of the haredi communities not the whole haredi community in what we call the hasidic part of the house committee and the boys english could be quite limited even if left in the uk their whole lives. How large a proportion of the jewish population in britain are the heritage's so i'm not sure if exact numbers we're talking about ten to fifteen percent of the population but they've got quite high birthrate so when you're looking at percentage of jewish birth so be much higher than that ten to fifteen percent. If you're looking at the overall demographics and just for our listeners interest where would you put yourself on the continuum from orthodox to liberal. So i'm a member of Mainstream orthodontic synagogue am observant of the sabbath laws. I keep kosher. So someone to i guess. Let's talk then about arranged marriages within the holiday community. How does the process work. Because it's quite a distinctive process the way it works with depending on the type of haredi community but broadly the parents go to the match maker. They'll discuss the sort of person they're looking to find for their son or daughter. Amoco will see his on their books. I guess like a dating agency in many ways on wall start fixing them up on instructions and with the young person is looking to get married after the meeting depending the community either. The couple will just discuss themselves. If they wanna meet again in some communities go back via their parents of the matchmaker but where they whether they want to again how much of a say then to the bride and groom to be health in choosing their spouse right. This really very much depends on which part of the community we're talking about so as we've discussed and the reason he invited me in this podcast is and all our position paper marriage and what we are concerned by the situation with the bride and groom of Very little indeed over her they get married to now that certainly not the case in all parts of the haredi community in some parts of the haredi community if functions much more the shows on the match making process functions much more like a traditional matchmaker that a secular person might use if you think imagine notched home or something like that but in some parts particular incident parts of the creative community like for example the types of haredi community where the boys were attending unregistered schools. You could then of a situation in some parts of the community where the young people getting married. I've really very little say indeed. And that's what we're concerned about. And i think you know when we're talking we're saying that oh by definition old forced marriages range but no oil arranged marriages are forced. We were looking at. What would make an arranged marriage a forced marriage not broadly in comes down to whether the bride and groom of any say over the process and whether it will be easy for that and you know once just to somebody to say actually this is just not the right person or i'm not ready. I want to wait. Or actually. I just want to meet somebody in another way. None of these things are possible. You're beginning to tip into what might look force marriage. What are the pressures on young people to get married to someone even if they have hardly met them before the marriage or don't necessarily like them is probably best to pick up into the first question. Which is what the pressures to get married in general. So you're living in a community where young women are brought up even though the girls of very good education up to this pressure to have children and these are general pressures that you really start from infanthood. This is why the forest march we're talking about is actually quite hard to identify. Because you know when. I say or one says forced marriage you sort of imagine somebody being shipped off to another country. Perhaps having their passports stolen you know. Perhaps there being some element of physical force. But that's not what we're talking about a toll we're talking about socially conditioned for marriage and that's a situation where you bring somebody up peninsular community and just don't see any other options or any other ways to meet somebody on the haitian to marry young so you know we've seen in the offstage report so of am romantic literature redacted. So one of the reasons for that. Even if it's non explicit just serve very innocent romantic literature being redacted as because that promotes their idea of marrying for love and romance so basically that their autonomy their ability to make their indecision is simply conditioned away so they don't know what they're missing. Yes to the point. That i love them. The they'll tell you. This is exactly what i want you know. And it's like you know if you bring somebody up from infanthood without having their autonomy for many bilas com syndrome from any though. Just be happy. Go along with that. You know and even grocery. Let's say do very well. You know goes to doctor and think oh. I might quite like to be a doctor. You know they'll be giving lebanon lots of messages. Oh it's not good career. Few longtime universe stay. You wouldn't graduate to. You're really old. Who will marry you. then you know. So even if they have excellent seasons of overstay everybody's come across the doctrine think that might be a good career. They weren't necessarily the tournament bill to decide to do that. What's the average age for these arranged marriages in the hardy community between eighteen to twenty. So and that's the same for both boys angles yet in some parts of the karate community boys are getting married slightly older but in terms of this and i think that's what's interesting because people tend to think of forced marriage being of women's issue. Obviously once the couple are married. The power dynamics in the relationship are different for the of the woman but in terms of these marriages is absolutely equal boys and girls either just before or just on reaching out. How far is the concept of consent. Apart of the jewish conception of marriage right so jewish law requires consent so requires the bright to basically have to agree to have literally to have the ring putin their fingers part of the marriage seventy would be obsolete noah valid jewish wedding if she was in some way like held down in the ring was on her finger without her agreeing to it. And however the line you withdraw draw of what consent where consensus within. Jewish slow is not necessarily matched. Shopped doesn't necessarily match up to the way we see consent now in terms of society. Generally you could take a step back and say well. What do we mean by a film free consent. You know so for example. If you're marrying somebody you've only met once and you knew nothing about them. You don't know whether there are loving loving husband or whether they're going to be an abuser in the worst scenario or just a serious mental health issues you can't cope with. Perhaps they're gay. I don't know whatever as you know. The woman as part of that marriage ceremony is consenting by jewish law. Because she's holding her hand for the ring finger but is she legally giving a free consent when she doesn't really know anything about her future husband's you mentioned that some romantic novels were say redacted on the topic of education. How far do courage boys and girls receive relationships and sex education in schools. So this is something that we've been lobbying on the relationship. Insects education is really important for everybody. And i would argue and i have argued before and i will continue to argue. The emirati children need sex education relationship more than any other children in the country for for various reasons unfortunately even though the government has made massive progress in introducing universe so sex and relationship education. I think it's just coming in september nineteen. There's a delay because of covert am already. Schools have not necessarily been agreeing to teach that now. You know we can talk through the different reasons why these children need the education but one of the reasons of course because of the prevalence of forced marriage and also because of the lack of understanding of what fool free consensus to marriage but also of relationships physical relationships inside marriages well. There are other reasons why these children need this education. For example we've heard of people who have an tq identity but get married without even realizing are understanding that parv relationship insects education would help the children in haredi schools. Who have this identity understanding. Come to terms with what that might mean in terms of future relationships also like oh communities there is sexual predators and keeping girls and boys completely naive to these risks and a big problem because that puts them at risk of you know being groomed by a predator. Let's talk about the effects of the first marriage from the men and women involved. Now you mentioned the problems of people who might turn out to be. Let's been okay oh. Lgbtq general how far are is being a different from from the Heterosexual identification how. How far is that tolerated within the courage community. What do you do if it turns out the okay. All has been. I think there's a problem. Because obviously if you identify your identity and managed to get married and live quietly single or leave the community. That's less much lesser problem than if you find yourself in one of these marriages and basically particularly if you're a lesbian women find yourself being subjects. Who am ongoing marital rape. It might not be that the woman's signal don't do this in terms of every time engaging in sex but if she's uncomfortable within just doesn't feel that she can say it doesn't have the tools to say no or perhaps you know. They deserve discuss it. And she's told you're marriage me. This is what you have to do. The haredi community hasn't really find a great space for people who are born into their community who do turn out to be gay other than to say. They should leave if they leave. That's great but the problem. Is that the people who end up getting married first. And then you've all sorts of issues in terms of what happens with children. What would you say are the biggest negative effects of forced marriage on the men and women involved salute. I'm obviously have a slightly by viewpoint because the people coming to me are coming to me you basically. Because they're not happy. Because why else would you reach an activist who so vocal. If you're happy right. So i'm absolutely prepared to admit the furlough of people you know. They have forced arranged marriage. And actually they're happy even it so fine and they left their lives with their parents have made a good choice for them. And that's fine so the people who are reaching out to are already not happy for some reason so there's various reasons and so a couple of people. Recently he reached. I were both men who had decided. They didn't actually want to be heredia toll. They wants to basically liver secular jews and they reached out to me to say you know what to do now. We just wanted to be secular. We don't want to be religious at all but there were still wants one man in particular that he was still pressurized into the marriage because his younger sister was getting married and there is a tradition in the family of getting married in eight georgia. He realized he had grown up in the uk but he didn't have any secular education toll. He just realized. I help to go the cinema on goats a nightclub and meet some young people but i think as part of that he realized how difficult it was going to be because he had had his opportunities taken away from him. You know so. That's one category of those who don't want to be hurry anymore. A of the women come to us of ended up with violent partners and there's been domestic abuse and marital rate. Could you give us some examples. I mean without going into too much. The traumatic nuchills women who attracted to their husbands who don't want to regular sex with them and are subject to sexual violence or women who's husbands quite serious mental health issues that they didn't know struggle to deal with a- have ended up being violent props because the mental health issues are not under control. What about in terms of bringing up children and kind of be difficult for people and forced marriages to bring up children together. So one of the challenge of seeing as well as their you know when somebody decides that they're going to leave and particularly when other spouse is very divided in their views you then issues over schooling so for example. The somebody that i was speaking to quite recently. Who's just you know she's sauna who she just desperately wants to get into the regular jewish school so he can do or any regular school so he can do. Gcc's and time levels but you know that that's going to end up going to court because her ex husband wants him to stay in our haredi school where the education is extremely limited. Indeed 'em so people who leave have all sorts of additional challenges. Is it the case this. In current marriage the man has any control of the woman in terms of what she does with her career. What she does with money the number of children she has look. I think a lot of these. Things are not necessarily controlled by the husband birth control by community communal expectations. So i don't think it's so simple so look some things. Some things will be able to be resolved within a marriage and the the may well be. There's likely to be an expectation that the man will responsibility for certain things swift howard. One woman who came to us say she thought the am getting married would be hurricane bill to drive because their parents are always said. Well if your husband lets you drive after get married then. It won't be up to us anymore. But i think some of these things just end up being you know on the agenda of the the community at large rather than on the agenda of the particular husband and it would be very difficult for women whose husband says you know. I insist that you where this particular type of hair covering. I don't let you try it for whatever as and the women may not feel. She has a voice but part of this will also come from her parents his parents in the community at norwich so i wouldn't want pin the whole thing on the dynamics within a relationship so basically. If you're a woman in the haredi community in your marriage marriage you have a lot of pressure on you to conform to the expectations of others. And you have relatively little autonomy to live your life as you want. Broadly s and obviously having many immortal children close together will add to those challenges and take away from it tony. So you're talking about him that how far has get the refusal of the gets the religious jewish divorce which man grants to a woman. How far is has this. Been a problem in parody marriages as a problem. I think what's a wider. Problem is more if you take a step back from that before you even get. The point of. The man doesn't want to give the as know if the couple experiences them domestic difficulties. They're likely to be told by the community leaders that they should try again. And we've heard from one. Particular woman told us that husband and being violent notwithstanding all of that you know as a victim of domestic violence. She was told. He's your husband and you have to stay with him when your host support network is telling you that you have to stay with him. That's already challenge. So i mean. Interestingly what we've seen happening is when women have left and they've decided they don't necessarily want to be particularly observant anymore. In some ways their religious divorce might be more interesting to the man who wants to marry again within that community needs her to accept. Set them for the women because if she leaves decides to be totally secular she may just decide the actually she'll be happy with the civil divorce but in most cases the women does need the religious to force but unlike let's say an muslim religious marriages and really kind of most cases only one what if which means if he wants to get married again he he will need to give that divorce. There is an issue of get refusal. But i've think the number is in the. Uk are less than twenty under new legislation. Course of control. I mean as an issue but it doesn't affect the haredi community and it's not the biggest problem. i don't think fi fi. What is fundamentally the biggest problem the fundamental problem for me. I think lack of atonomy so you know. I don't really have any proper matale with somebody who wants to be a religious fundamentalist lead their life in an insurer way as long as they chose to do that as an adult. Because we should have tony how we leader. I don't live and they don't. They give a tournament to their children if they don't want to do that either. So that's why lobby on the schools. Because i think taking away education from your child massively limits their autonomy. And i don't that's why we'll be enforced marriage because forcing your child to marry somebody that again ties them into the community has not oh and takes away. The retirement so for me is really a tournament because we should all lead for lives in. You know as long as we're following new kahlo we should all lead the our lives the way you see fit and if you see fit to lead your life in an insure community that's your co but when you start taking other people's autonomy because of that i see that as a big problem some politicians who are commentators who aren't correggio. Perhaps not even jewish might say that the marriages and genetic the faith based education are a cultural norm. And it's no business of english law to interfere and your colleague you hit is fletcher. The founder of who has argued that this discourse of cultural norms can sometimes be used to dismiss the problems in precious that people in the hardy. A community may face in an arranged. Marriage a your. Where should the line be drawn between the problems that should be dealt with by the laws of the land and those that should be tackled within the currency community Where where does the principle of secularism the separation of religion from the state fitted him very questions. So i think this the starting point has to be the lots of the laws. Are there for reasons if you start with the education as an example. you know. we shouldn't be letting anybody off educating their children because of their faith backgrounds that seven a human rights to education and to deny their education that would be you know looking at cultural norman single. These children are entitled sn. Education is highly problematic. I think you know the same with them. Let's not following up on him. Cases of abuse or predators because of culture norms is highly problematic. And i think even with forced marriage. I think you know again. The government might be a bit uncomfortable with this. But you've got to just take a step back and say well. Actually the the laws in the uk have been put in for reason. Something is an infringement of a forced marriage according to legislation at. That's the point where you need to take action even if that makes you uncomfortable and even if that goes against the cultural norms of that group part because i like to think that you know we have a secular government and when the low the forced marriage law from two thousand fourteen if that says the old threats and pressures to to them quite somebody into march is a criminal offence. That's you know that's where we draw the line. If you know if the government takes an even firmer stands at some point in the future. They'll presumably them put the energy in the consultation into making sure that that's the right way to go at that point. You know norms do change over time. I think presumably. I mean from what you've said. In fact some of the people in the haredi community you have to go through forced marriages may that may be cultural norms. But the cultural norms are not benefiting them they're harming them yes solar. I mean. I think there's a mix i think there's a mixture because some people will actually have these forced marriages and be very happy. Even ever reflect. They were forced marriage for some people. They will have gone into with really good intention. You know they'll opinions motor student. You know they'll have wanted to marry the person their parents suggested when it comes to the nitty gritty of being married to somebody long-term and at times that the person exactly what they bargained for at that point only then will they reflect that it was in fact forest and they had not carved the decision making the government the government does need to not let cultural norms shadow their judgment but at the same time when laws are in place there should be consultation processes and is what happens to make sure that everything's considered so if we're thinking about the best way for british society as a whole to help tackle problems like arranged marriage the toco within closed faith communities your response to that would be open consultation talking legislation trying to find a way forward together. Yeah and i think with this. I don't have any issue with arranged marriages. I think radically more and more people. Now turn to arrange marriages because if you look something like match. Dot com as a form of an arranged marriage to of any issue with an arranged marriage. As long as it's done with a full autonomy over both the people getting married you know as long as they control the process. I think that's absolutely fine. We're not saying there shouldn't be any arranged marriage because that's ridiculous suggestion. We're just saying if there is arranged marriage. You need to think more carefully about where the fine line is between what makes something an arranged marriage with her introduced to simple people that they can either decide to or not to get married to with however much time they need to make that decision with no stigma versus a situation where any controller choice over. What's happening so one of the things that we did when we wrote the paper is we decided that we set out what we call markers forest marriage and we did this because we wanted to serve. Make it clear what it was. We were actually talking about for example. This idea that you would only be allowed to meet the person for a very very short length of time before having a decision that would be happening forest management arranged. Marriage would have as much time for as long as you want. And what are the other main. Marcus yes we five markers though. I'm sure you could come up with more. And this is just based on what we saw in the jewish community. i'm sure in different faith communities. You would come up with different markers so the the things that we wanted to talk about was first of all the young person not really having a control over the the timing or the process so the young person hoping to say i'd rather just meet somebody through dating or it could be that. There's a sibling getting married and has a pressure to get married today. Georgia within a family so the first point is just the first more was just note control of the young person over entering into the arranged process. The second thing was basically about 'em very rushed engagement so only being able to meet one or two or three times and in some extreme cases it might only be once or twice and even heritage of people who had this first meeting. Their parents is engagement. Food was already laid on the table even before that first meeting took place of that would be an extreme situation. We're talking about rush decision. Making not meeting as long as you would need to really understand who you're getting married to and the third thing and we were talking about as once there's the engagements happen not being allowed to freely communicate after that so whether that's not helping to meet or not being allowed to even speak on the phone or by text message so once engagements been agreed and no further possibility to get to know the person before the day of the wedding so basically things which prevent them from really having this ability to consent fully because they're actually know what they're getting into exactly and the fourth thing that we spoke about is an engagement contract so this is basically Contractors binding under jewish slow which is basically between the two fathers or the two sets appearance which is agreeing to take a green state. their children to the wedding at the future set date and their stigma. The contract could be broken but the stigma to breaking it and the young people are told the stigma britain engagements worse than getting divorce for example. So there's serve emotional religious type spiritual pressure over one. Six engagement contracts being signed contracts often signed within a week of that first meeting and they've got to know each other. If you imagine the timeline here the parents would say the timing of the introduction. The person of ma- maybe once to twice they've got engaged and neither engagement party is a week later on now. This contracts being signed with the parents of this binding commitment with possibly with financial or spiritual penalties excommunication perhaps penalties that. They're going to get married to this future. Set dates that piece a huge amount of emotional psychological pressure on the young person and then the fifth thing that we spoke about. It's just this expectation of marrying the person that they're introduced to this for me. I think is the key one. So if you just imagine you're meeting somebody will match call if you meet them and they're not right you just say no. And you know the signal to that person won't affect any future matches or how you're seeing but you know what if you meet one person and you say no and then you're seeing as being fussy in the future matches become less good. So you just serve intuitively know that the best match will be the first one not one. You're expected to marry to get married too. So this just expectation of marrying. The person you're introduced to. I think is the most problematic one and that's one that comes. You know we mentioned before but this social conditioning so bringing young people up in a community with socially conditioned that they will marry the person their parents into just to finally what is the best way for our society as a whole to help tackle problems like arranged marriage that occur within closed communities like the current him. So i think you know taking a step back a mess. It's really important to listen to the people from that community. So i'm very aware you know although i'm jewish i'm not from the haredi community and i really really listen to people who are coming out of that community telling me where they think the problems are and i think you know for me. The biggest problem at the root of all of this at the moment are the unregistered schools so basically education is at the root of solving these problems yes absolutely education and it's not just the relationship and sex education that is critically important is just just basic secular education wherever you think about. Gcc's a-levels the way it works at the moment in the uk is is your route to tournament is to have these qualifications that will then enable university career access if sex. Thank you very much. I'm not making manson head of policy and research at the nss meghan. Hello hi there. I thought eve sykes made some really interesting points. There of about the problems faced by people in in their heredity community and the difficulties they faced with actually trying to be able to be in a position making autonomous choice. Meghan this'll already doesn't it. From most recently a position paper which the now who Organization published on forced marriage. I'm on the february this year. How did this position paper. Ready bring forced marriage to light. Then well i. I think we should be congratulated on this paper. Excellent it really does. I think challenge the stereotypes that we might have about forced marriages so when we talk about fourth marriage we might seem that they are forced by threats of violence or by sending the broad away and taking a passport as eve mentioned and that is something that may be more commonly associated with the asian communities and that women are usually the victims. Now why that's certainly true. In many cases this paper showed a a very different perspective that in the jewish communities it's generally not marriage is not forced through threats of violence but sprawling a lack of education combined with social pressure and the victims are very often mail that men in jewish communities often have an even worse education than the goals do so they are also in a position where they can't really consent to marriage without really knowing what that means and without being able to sort of say no if they're unhappy with it so It really good paper. Expanding our understanding of what fourth marriage means A nothing has really forced people to think about this a bit more carefully. How far is the government able to act or not able to act in the supervision of of ultra-orthodox schools. Well this is interesting. I think that there's certainly a gap here. They pump for education. Is well aware of the insular nature of heidi schools and it sometimes does act on them. So i've certainly read some offset reports were already. Schools have been penalized for having a narrow curriculum offer censoring material. Certainly i've seen that come up. But i don't think that depart for education goes far enough. There have been cases where an even state funded schools in the community have basically be given a green light to enforce rules that really withhold information from their people's what sort of information we're talking about well so far can give an example. This is just from february. There's a school in salford base yaacov jewish high school. It's an all girls school and it's been state-funded since two thousand five says a voluntary aided school the office of the schools adjudicator all the say is a part of the pump vegetation which decides whether or not schools are complying with the schools missions code so all schools basically have a code. That parents have to follow if they won't priority entry into fights schools for example. Just as if it's a face school it'll basically though they'll say which which people's on our prioritized for example with catholic schools. It tends to be baptized catholics. Who are prioritized. They always say in february to look at a admissions colored of cough and it found certain points where there were. There were lots of problems with the admissions college also technical problems but what was really interesting are the parts that the say didn't have a problem with or even seen to subside acceptable so for example. This particular school places. Extreme restrictions on the private lives of people's and their families so for example The emissions arrangement said the families had to strictly limit their children's access to all forms of communication including cinema veteran and written material and one example. It said that the requirement that school age children do not watch. Television was an example as this been an acceptable at an admission code because it was objective you can objectively measure whether or not school age children tv but it seemed to miss the point that this is a really unreasonable thing to to impose on families and this restricts children's information i mean if it means that they can't watch the news call know what's going on in the wider world and even in the country they live in and going back to Eve sykes point berta tournament. I mean that really would restrict the ability to be autonomous individuals because they simply that being cut off from so much information about what's happening in the society they live in. yeah absolutely absolutely. This is and the wider society. Though in britain out from that and the other things will do the same school. Think it's quite relevant here to talk about. This is that it imposed a dress code so this is an all girls school and imposed address code on people's and their mothers which was quite frankly. Sexist stand unreasonable. It's very interesting very intrusive to to require the parents to behave in a certain way or certain clothes. Well yes this is all about sort of proving your really justice's about saying well. We are true horrendous and so therefore we deserve a place at the school and servings that mothers must cover their hair at all times and that the goal should wear tighter all times and it should be apparent that they are being warned so no long skirts for example. That would highlight. If you're not wearing tights. I mean these. Are these ridiculously intrusive as you said. And they're frankly sexist their sexiest standards are neom apply to women and not the powerful point made by eve. Saxes that one way in which otani can be ended is if there is no comprehensive a well-balanced teaching of relationships and sex education at the schools. What are the barriers at the moment to ensuring that all children even face schools get comprehensive are esi well. Hud sleep some of the barriers to be removed when the sort of compulsory. Rsa is rolled out in september. How this is going to go in in the haredi schools are not sure but even with this there are some big issues so one issue that the government guidance faith schools can teach our esi according to the tenets of their faith. Which you know he's going to have a whole host of problems and we did explore those problems in a report called unsafe sex education which we published in two thousand eighteen and we found an hour research that there are a lot of states from did schools teaching that contraception is morally wrong apart from the rhythm method which are hardly counters called receptions. It doesn't work very well. The abortion is wrong. Masturbation is wrong and of course sex outside of heterosexual marriages wrong. So and i think. I found one not schools saying that homosexuality is disordered. What justification is there for the government to say that faith schools may teach our esi in accordance with the tenants of their faith. Why this subject in particular. Well i think it's because religions have a huge stake in sort of controlling the sex lives of their congregants and they have a lot to say about what they think makes a relationship according to that religion. This is the dilemma. If going to have faith schools you have to sort of let them teach their religion. Otherwise what's the point of faith schools. So i can see why the government is kind of forced to let them do that because otherwise we'll it ceases to be a fe school if he can't teach what it thinks about racial and sex education then it ceases to be a face school so that's kind why they have to do it. Is this the question that even if they teach their views a the question is whether they should also be required to teach other views with which they disagree. And i'm sure that many faith schools do that. I'm sure that many five schools teach that there are other views. But the problem is if you're a catholic school for example i wouldn't say it's possible to teach objectively because if you're a catholic school you already have a an expectation that the children there are being raised catholic and that is what we are. We are catholic school. You are therefore catholics. Because you come here and as a catholics. This is what we expect we. Catholics think that same sex relationships are wrong. We are a catholic school. Ergo we think same sex relationships are wrong therefore if your child at the school we implicitly. Think you doing something wrong. If you turn out to be gay what what is. The new of you is the solution to this issue. What needs to be done to improve. The supervision of faith schools and in general to ensure that children are given the education. They need to make a fully autonomous decision about what to do with their lives including sexuality. Well i i think they do need to be great powers for the to intervene on school rules. That are not in the people's interest. So i thought was telling that they also the schools judicata couldn't really do anything about these ridiculous school rules that were clearly. If you're if you're saying that children caught watch tv. I mean that's clearly not in the interest of the child so i think they should be able to have the power to hang on a second. This is this is really unreasonable. So it's it's strange. Don't already have that. Secondly i'd say that you know mandatory orasje really does need to be mandatory and that means that there's no religious opt-outs there's no you have to teach it in an objective way an inclusive way in a way that doesn't up stigmatize. Lgbt children for example. And that doesn't sort of stigmatize the idea that contraception and taking control over your own. Reproduction is a bad thing and presumably. Doesn't also stigmatize. The i did. You might have sex before marriage will might crowd different potters. America's one one thing that really struck me with the system was that you have one partner and that's it. Yes so yeah there. are you know. Obviously there are children all schools have been. They're very different family setups and no child should feel that there's something wrong with particular therein in because he isn't one. Dad is something else or that their parents have been divorced and remarried or anything else. No child should feel wrong with their family. The other one are just reiterated e sex points. She said the number one thing is is getting rid of unregistered schools which are completely agree with that unbridged. The schools are a big problem. Not just when it comes to marriage but in general emerge schools are subject to awful conditions. leaving them with with very little meaningful education And they're putting their. They will foul risk so absolutely the. Nsa supports any effort to tackle schools in the factual. There are no more and also to regulate homeschooling so that can be exploited. A loophole what we find. Is that home. Schooling can be used as poll where they parents are saying well. Our child is home schooled. But what's actually happening. Is the charles being sent to an unregistered school So that's a loophole. that needs to be closed. Meghan munson thank you very much. Thank you this. Episode was produced by the national secular society. All rights reserved views expressed by contributors do not necessarily represent the nss. You can access the sure nights. And subscribe information to this and ola suits at secularism dot org dot uk toward slash podcast. The feedback comments and suggestions. 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A conversation about anti-Semitism

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A conversation about anti-Semitism

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And subscribe to the Antigen at Pfizer Dot com slash. Vox today that's PF is e. E R Dr Dot com slash. Vox To start listening right now. I always try to avoid excessive. Temporal Specificity Eh. Hello welcome to another episode of the weeds on the box media podcast network. Glaciers joined today by Jane. Coast and crop publicas Dairyland the usual crew. Great to see you all so we're going to talk about the fun and lifting subject of Anti Semitic violence of which there has been a number of recent incidents in the New York City area. I am Jewish enough and aware enough of the news to have seen this happening and have the opinion that it was bad and like ooh extra feelings about my Hanukkah. Menorah this this past Holidays but I. I didn't really actually know that much about what was happening until I read a piece. Jane wrote Rants Weirder than I had realized. Yeah I think it's important. We were just talking about how important to put the rise of antisemitic hate crimes crimes generally against Orthodox Jews and Hasidic Jews worth noting that that should be put in context because a couple of members of Congress have put this into the. Oh the breakdown of law and order cities. It's not part of a breakdown of law and order cities. Violent violent crime in New York City and other major cities is down crimes against Jewish. People is up and so I think in time this is something distinct from you know. I think that as I think that Well I'm not going to speak for Matt here but I personally. I'm probably going to say a lot of things that may or may not be representative of evolved Jews in America and this episode. But it seems to me that the specter of antisemitic violence that is you know been a more real presence presence in the kind of like mental landscape that American. You know the risk that American Jews have felt they're under his been for the most part white nationalism right so this is a distinct phenomenon from that and one that has that kind of scrambles the politics of that interesting also distinct groups of Jews. So so Darren I and probably most Jewish weeds listeners. From the more secular to reform side of American Jewishness have more or liberal politics. had a lot of concern about white nationalist Antisemitism a lot of sort of personal affiliation affiliation with the tree of Life Synagogue and the dynamic around that but we're talking about attacks had been perpetrated against Orthodox and Hasidic James James who themselves tend to be more much more politically conservative also are more outwardly visibly identify as Jewish Through their guard and have in this case been targeted distinct target specifically but also targeted by totally different group of people and it seems to be. I mean one thing that I think it's important to get is that like there isn't some sort of better antisemitic. Violence White Nationalist Violence is not superior to antisemitic. Violence committed by people of Color. There's not like This is the violence that we're into the the people who lose out every time no matter where this is happening are Jewish people. But I think it's important to clarify also that the I've written before a lot of people talk about how anti-semitism tends to work as a conspiracy theory and some of the conspiracy. The theory is about Jewish people specifically HASSIDIC Jewish people in Crown Heights areas of New York are very specific and some ways to those areas. Better better just as harmful in just as you almost moronic as kind of the great replacement antisemitic conspiracy theories you hear from white nationalists so talk us through this. Yeah what's the what's the deal. The number of antisemitic attacks generally aimed at a Hasidic Orthodox. Jews has been going up for the last year. And if you read tablet or forward at a host of other Jewish publications you would see this has been a topic of a great deal of discussion among specifically specifically Orthodox Jews but not the wider world. Because it's not white nationalist. It's not easier to be like okay. This is going to happen too. I think that one of the things also is that. The the concern of white nationalist violence is you. That's an easy one for people to kind of Parse out of G- wow this is happening what we could potentially do about got it but when it is want people Hasidic Jews who are being targeted. And it's they're being targeted by people of Color. I think for a lot of people. People want to back away from that people are much more lows to get into discussions of why that's taking place. And so you've seen a lot of of kind of discussions about the rise. In attacks on Jewish people attacks on synagogues and attacks have been incredibly breezing There is there is a mass shooting in Jersey City. That could have gone horrifyingly even more horrifying than would actually happen because of the amount of explosives exclusives that the payer behind the attack appeared to have on them. There've been up attacks on people wearing Kipah. Ill getting hit in the head with bricks. People being just Attacked in the streets in parts of New York and in suburban New York. This has come Yo It's been much less specifically violent. Clint the rhetoric about Hasidic. Jews has been deeply harmful. And you're getting it from both. The Republican Party. In areas of New York were describing his acidic Orthodox Jews is an invasive force and from Democrats on you know on councils in Jersey City who are basically like you essentially blaming blaming Jewish people for the violence that Jewish people are encountering. And you're I think that when I spoke to tablet magazines Armin Rosen. He told me you know the the reason why it's taken a long time for people outside of these circles to talk about this is because all these attacks were against people from Haredi Orthodox communities who are seen as seeing as being outside outside of the mainstream. They're being not apart. They're not quote you secular Jews or they're not going to people who are considered to be a part of the fabric of Newark couldn't be further from the truth but at the same time there is a sense of kind of a permissive attitude of harassment or how people talk about the Orthodox community the idea that you know they're trying to plot a takeover of different counties and pose a danger. I'm quoting outing from a video posted by the Rockland County. Republican Party saying that heredity Jews. Pose a danger to our homes. Our families our schools our communities our water our way way of life. And you're seeing as I mentioned a member a Jersey City Board of education trustee. Who talked about you? Jewish brutes roots of the Jewish community. who were trying to buy the homes of people of Color and so there's a sense of like this is a harassment that's taking place? And then the people who are being harassed asked are being blamed for their own harassment. In a way that seems anathema to me. But it's it's happening across the political spectrum the New York. So let's slight distinction right 'cause so one thing that the issue with these Sort of Some of these Republicans. In the in the excerpts right this is fundamentally Kelly as so much in life is a zoning issue which is that you know. Heredity communities have large numbers of children. And consequently they have a consistently pro-development politics and sort of old fashioned fairly tightly controlled Political machine dynamics APP and with a very effective in places where many of them live in getting zoning adjustments made that allow for more house building which is anyone who who has ever listened to me in any form knows? I agree with that but is a frequently opposed by other people so this becomes a weird thing. Where like I I would say? It is not a conspiracy theory to believe that if a large number of heredity people. Move into your town. There will be a subsequent move on their part to try to get zoning laws ause made more permissive. For them to build large densely packed houses and corollary that because of the average size of a heredity family versus. You know you're AH typical affluent servant family that the long-term political demographics of that area could change accordingly yes and per the whole rhetoric of every zoning fight everywhere liked it will change the character of the neighborhood if it becomes a a large Heredia neighborhood now I don't think any of that is bad but it's not Lupi be. It gets very difficult because you're talking about you know a because a eighties. It's laid over this idea. India that the character of the neighborhood has changed by having a group that is visually distinct and very self contained and also the whole Lake Luong Standing tropes of Antisemitism. Absolutely I just I just would say that as someone who has followed like any zoning fight in any American town on any subject. There's this a huge battle in a town called Western Massachusetts. That has nothing at all to do with Jews but just a developer wants to build as he. He has his right under Massachusetts affordable housing law an apartment building. And there's like incredible paranoia. Stop the Western Monster. You know Bob so anyway I would just say I think like Anti Heredia. NIMBIES are bad people and they are In the wrong here but I think that like the fundamental dynamic at work there is like the timeless nimby dynamic which is a little different from like the black Hebrew Israelites. Yes have a specific. Yeah like a very specific view. Here what is it. So it's complicated. Some Black Hebrew is rights. They have there's kind of an and a center of Black Hebrews writes in there's also the fringes and the fringes are tend to be more extremes but a lot of this goes back to a conspiracy theory theory in an untruth. I should say which is that and this every time. You kind of describe a conspiracy theory out loud. There's a sense of like I can't believe I have to make like this clear. But in Nineteen ninety-one nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan Put out a book. Entitled the Secretly Ship Between Blacks and Jews and in which Farrakhan argues that Jewish people were the real force behind the slave trade and in a later volume ultimately behind the rise of the Ku Klux Klan. It notably Pretty Nice medicate group but this idea there is a long and historic and storied relationship between African Americans Jewish Americans throughout the Civil Rights Movement but as Henry Louis Gates noted in a nineteen ninety two year times article. When which he talks about this book as being one of the most sophisticated instances of hate literature yet compiled the idea of fomenting ethnic isolate Of Driving People. Apart to make people who you you like Farrakhan and other stronger within these communities has been as the efforts have proven incredibly effective in some areas and so these conspiracy theories and I did a little bit of looking around while I was writing this piece and the degree to which you're obviously you can't really judge judge you know how popular or widely held something is based on how widely held it is on the Internet because the Internet is real but it's fungible but the degree to which some some of the win people have been doing interviews in Jersey City and elsewhere after these attacks they want people are talking to folks through like well you. The attacks are terrible. But it doesn't get at you. You Jewish people being behind this conspiracy theory behind this conspiracy theory and and so. I think it's important that you there is no I. I've seen this in a couple of other pieces written on the subject of the idea of like you know. Oh this is you know. COMPLEX COMPLEX RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN AFRICAN AMERICANS Jewish people make hitting people over the head with hammers is not complex. That's not a complex. Hate crimes are not a complex relationship ship. What's happened here? Is that conspiracy theories that are just as dangerous as the same conspiracy theories that hold that Jews control. The government are have taken hold in some pockets of communities in New York and elsewhere. And they've been furthered by people for their own political interests and there's been a lot of can discuss about specifically black Hebrew Israelites or some of these specific groups but it doesn't have to come with membership group to beholding these views to believe that Jewish people are somehow the earl white person and are somehow they are responsible for white racism and that they are secretly you. It actually goes back to some of the conspiracy theories that we've talked about. We talked about George Soros that one of the kind of traditional antisemitic tropes is not that Jewish Americans. Unlike African Americans are subhuman. It's that they're secretly in charge of everything and so the same kind of idea that has that. George Soros is secretly getting immigrants into United States to subvert. Whiteness is kind of the same idea. The Jewish people are secretly taking homes from African Americans to uphold whiteness. And Somehow Jewish people are both you are the enemy and also the ultimate superpower in this entire conspiratorial rendering. But I think it's also when we're talking thing about NIMBY ISM or talking about the. The specifics of these challenges are happening at communities in counties in New York and elsewhere you there has never let anyone to take a machete to anyone. And that's what's happened here in several cases and I think there is a whole dust up At National Review about this kind of this idea of like I think that when people talk about hate crimes and see this occasionally I remember When Matthew Shepard was murdered in nineteen ninety eight and I remember some of the writings about it? We're just kind of like well you know like obviously that's terrible but but maybe this is a moment where we should recognize maybe gay rights like. It's not their time yet and I'm like is that what you're getting from this. Is that what you're getting like. WHOA WHOA IT somehow? How the Gay Persons Fault that day were strung up on offense and left to die and I? It's really important to say here. That like it is whatever is happening. There's no the housing crisis that is an adequate explanation or reason for people getting hit over the head with bricks for outwardly expressing the religious beliefs. So so I think that a lot of this touches in various ways on the kind of or question of like the the flip way to put this argies actually white but the less flip way to put it as look doc are are are we are an ethnic group that has defined ourselves with thousands of years as being a minority wherever we are Bracketing the entire Israel thing for a second because frankly a lot of the dynamics that's going on here are much older than the state of Israel and have persisted despite you know despite its creation and given that that there are not every minority is necessarily dispossessed minority but many of them are in so when you look at you know Jews as a community are you looking at them As kind of a model minority that has managed to succeed that has taken more than its share of the resources. Or are you looking at them. As you know people who have constantly we had to defend themselves against not being you know not being the norm and that also deals with what's different question of of heredity communities. Because I think a lot of people who have been raised in you know secular pluralist America in the last few generations nations understand religion as an individual thing right like whether or not. It's a matter of whether you're thinking of it as a matter of what do you believe. What is your faith or whether you're thinking of it as what is your level of observance that's an individual choice and it doesn't necessarily prevent you from interacting with other people of other faiths and other levels of observance the the ready interpretation tation has been that it's very important you know it's it's it's a closer analogs like an amish community than anything else? Insofar as the idea that it's very important I want to be hyper visibly different and to remain connected to each other and hold yourself apart from the rest of the world as much as possible. Ease a straw. That's that's certainly one way to think about. How do we persist as a Jewish people? You know in a world where very few people are like us us. But it means that it's a little bit tricky for secular Jews a because many of us aren't people who in an ultra Orthodox interpretation would even count as is Jewish right And you are not seeing you know. And and who we know wouldn't necessarily it's it's hard to express solidarity with a group that you know wouldn't necessarily express express solidarity with you if the tables are turned and I think that makes it difficult. Both in the kind of intra-jewish politics of what do we do with this. As Jews and to you understand that when we're talking about the history of black Jewish relations. There's definitely the kind of unfortunately lost her minimized history the of like black Jewish alliance in the civil rights movement. But it's also important to recognize that the people who you know it wasn't didn't like it's not like the ultra Orthodox were the ones who are standing up there that they've had a notion of How to protect yourself as a community? That is very different from that. And so the the kind of solidarity impulses are running at cross purposes to each other. Let's take a break and then talk about partisan politics. The holidays are here. Keeping Your company ready as easy with Grove groped collaborative is an online marketplace. That delivers clean all natural home. Beauty personal care products right to your door Gordon. All your holiday central's in one place brands you love and trust like seventh generation. Mrs Myers method everything that carries safer for you better for the pine it. 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But there's there's a larger split. I would say over the like discursive meaning of Antisemitism Anti Semitism in America today right whereas to Jewish Americans who sympathies are generally more on the left and these are people who typically are less observant Typically less hawkish on Israel related matters typically vote for Democrats right. It is like like obvious that the problem of Anti Semitism in America is that you have A rising tide of white nationalist groups sort of general theme that racism and ethnic nationalism is bad for the Jews and so even though Donald Trump has this Jewish son in in law and daughter. He is in fact very threatening figure right a symbolic menace to the Jews who is trying to define American identity eighty in more blood and soil manner and that this is part of an alarming trajectory throughout the world. And then you can talk about Victor Orban. You can talk about that figures on the European far right and like how. This is all bad these which is more productive way to put it. There's also I think an extent to which the master the narrative of the Holocaust is very very very relevant to twenty first century Jewish identity. And so there's a certain extent to which anything that moves in that direction leads leads some Jews to go. We know how this ends. We are inevitably victims here just based on that rather than based on any kind of real world analog brother current in the twentieth century have this contrary narrative which is that no like the threat to Jews in America and in the world comes from the left that that is left wing groups who express sort of limitless solidarity with Palestinian nationalism. No matter how violent it becomes. It's the left. That is trying to incorporate incorporate Muslims into its political coalition both in the United States and in Europe and that involves taking a soft line and the most extreme anti-jewish the Jewish settlements that are out. There it's Ilhan Omar who is kind of dancing around with the so-called Anti Semitic tropes it's Russian to play who who is just expressing incredibly vehement hostility to Israel and to Israeli policy and that it's it's like Jeremy Corbyn who in the service of class politics says things about capitalists that have generally been recognized as antisemitic tropes and like. How do you deal with the you? So how do you deal with a resurgent. Socialism when anti capitalist and Anti Jewish politics have historically been intertwined. It's Tamika Mallory. And the women's March and Louis Farrakhan and here the flip right. The Jared Nevada of this narrative is Bernie Sanders right right who is Jewish but is also at the intersection of all these left-wing trends that more conservative American Jews don't like and then one if you're me you want to say against that like no look like the potential first Jewish President can't be the leading Avatar of Anti Semitism in in America. But you have these country takes right David. Harsanyi wrote in December In a in national review. You know this piece a goes through the list of second order associations but I would say like the thesis. This is fundamentally that sanders is not actually Jewish It says you know he honeymoon. Did Moscow not in Jerusalem And it talks about Trotsky meets makes the revolutions in the Bronstein. Pay The bills. That was the rejoinder of Moscow's chief. Rabbi after Russian Revolutionary Tonight Leon Trotsky rebuffed his requests for assistance explaining that he was not a Jew but rather an international man of socialism. And I think that the the view that you see in that world we're all does that look like if you if you do what Sanders has done right and you renounce both like religious observance and Israeli nationalism as concepts and affiliate yourself with a global secularist socialist ideology. Exactly as dare was saying thank. You have put yourself outside. The Circle of solidarity is is that view. And so some of that is like we don't need to protect you right like George Soros when you're targeted for certain kinds of troves but it also means that you don't get to. We old Jewish as a defense against the funds. Here of course is that like in the American context. Yes there's definitely lake. I think there are two very important points made here one. Is that the hyper visibility of heredia communities does not map onto other Jews like. I've yeah there's I think. There is a certain concern among more secular Jews. Like oh can i. Where Star of David and public? Oh can I wear a keypad on my way to the Senate. There's a spectrum there but very few things the average non Orthodox did you is going to do in. Public are going to be as obvious. And permanent a marker of Jewishness as what heredity. Ah What Heredia communities go through every day so the idea that you're going to be randomly targeted for a hate crime. Because you're wearing a star of David around your neck jewelry have have right now. The other thing going on here though is that well the idea that Bernie Sanders is in meaningfully Jewish because he has personally issued religious observance observance may make sense on a certain logical level. It's also true that frankly a lot of the country still associates New York stereotypes with Jewish wish stereotypes. I say this as somebody who grew up to a you know grew up in the midwest to a father who had ever know who had spent decades in New York as a Jew and the the extent to which after thirty years in Cincinnati He's still regarded as an like as a New Yorker cannot be super disentangled from the fact that he's visibly visibly Jewish so the idea that Bernie Sanders is like has successfully in inoculated himself against any supposed anti Semitic violence because he's is not doing the things that people hate Jews for doesn't really track. Look I like to me I feel the opposite of this. That's right that like the heredity. Community is An interesting phenomenon but is not actually participating in like normal people associate with Jewish culture in America. Right like Woody Allen movies about like heredity suburban. But there isn't there there is however the scene in any hall where he is concerned. That's how her family sees that right. It's always the the thing in the back of the head of secular Jews that we are going to be associated with them even though they wouldn't want to be associated with our very heavy irony quotes going on on here. I know that the podcast not visual medium. But like it's this episode with no charts. And you you go in with Air Glue their coats. Look it's a it's an episode. Is it about Jews. Of course we're going to have a lot of irony lers. I think though it's important to recognize 'cause I I think that there's been the sense of Lake And you see this on the on the right and on the left of kind of like no are anti-semitism make sense are anti Semitism is based is like no no no ours is reasonable are anti like even the argument that I see occasionally conservatives have like why would you still vote for Democrats like this idea of like. They need to get off the Jewish democratic plantation of sorts and start towards their own interests. And this idea of being kind of Jewish in name only or like. You're not do you know if you do not hold these particular political positions or these particular things. You're not the right kind of Jewish person. This of Israel have gotten really talk and then also on the on the left. UC's kind of this idea of like well you know we know what anti-semitism awesome looks like an old. It looks like Richard Spencer and that's it so the people the coordinates screaming at people in in the UK to go back to Israel like like no. No that's not anti-semitism defending you from the Real anti-semites who are over there and it's but neither anti-semitism is better or more helpful or or less dangerous. There is a sense that there's a sense that like if we can just keep going back and forth in the world's most stupid tennis match over who's anti-semitism is reasonable or reasons that you will find a solution to this problem but at the same time like the people who are being subjected to antisemitic. Violence have been largely usually excise from this conversation Orthodox and heredity Jewish people. Yo The folks who I talked to for my piece very much of a sense of like. They're aware that a lot of people talking about them or talking. About how many children. They have under school districts in their vaccination policies and there were they wanna move move and whether or not. You're what their practices are but people are not talking to them. They're kind of being forced upon different political views and not allowed to express. You're not allowed to talk about what it's like to be targeted for again religious practice. So you really see. In the trump era right divide among Jews between a sort of all and individualistic concepts of Jewish interests. Right so that in the in the conciliation Gatien View Right. jus Just are minority in America. Right and we're GONNA half to suck it up a deal with but we have Israel as an exit exit option and supporting Israel is very important right because like fundamentally out side of Israel were always going to be a put upon minority right and that this is parallel to Jane. As you've talked about frequently this sort of black conservative right ideology right like you give up an assimilation and true through a quality right but you ask for the special special rights as a religious community so you are naturally aligned with bakeries agrees that don't want to serve same-sex marriages things like that right just say look we are a religious community defined by religious observance all religious communities unity's get certain corporate rights that we will demand and we have a state like located elsewhere but that his allied with the United States. And that we back back right then you have of course the fact that many ultra-orthodox Jews do not don't back Israel but the but the but like like the Amish who also generally devote Republican right and sometimes I think like liberals get confused by that because like why would a minority group do but he is a religiously defined community oriented group with corporate identity. Then you have the other view not in the like business acid in the lake collective then you have like Jewish liberation as individualism which is like this. Is America like everybody can do whatever they want. Try like we're all free and equal here and we believe in globalism and we believe live in international human rights norms. And when you see somebody somebody complaining on television that you're not allowed to say merry Christmas. Any more is is like a brick to your head. But that is viewed food like individualism minded Jews as like very threatening right that it is this like effort to define American identity as fundamentally Christian and to take offence at like banal efforts to be more inclusive. -clusive when you look at that and you're like like what is this like. How could these people be like so amped up about Israel that they're like throwing in with this Christian Christian menace right that you're like going with these evangelical preachers and being like I'm GONNA turn over the judiciary to you guys right? And that's like very bad because it's pursuing a liberal liberal integrationist dream and that's the version of Jewish identity and the version of black identity that was the foundation of the Civil Rights Movement Alliance right it is Zayd liberal integrationist claim in which like we are going to like. It was just Martin Luther King Day recently like like all the stuff in his speeches right like that very much speaks to a segment of the Jewish community as well as to the black community. Because it's about the idea that we can. I like on on a human level like all be equal right but that's different. It's notion of difference as something that is inherent but not necessarily Sara. Lee Defining appeals a lot to people who want to claim Jewish identity. And don't necessarily WANNA follow all six hundred and thirteen commandments. And Torah Way. Because we're people right. Yeah but I think the other thing going on here is just. There's a broader conflict between left and right very long standing as to what counts as like what counts as violence. What counts as an abuse of power that we should be worried about and the left generally is much more inclined to think about things like structural violence? And and can you know show concern about the elegy not because it's like inherently bigoted but because it's being expressed by people in power the idea that there is no such thing as reverse. Racism is like a very important You know it's kind of a very important key to this kind of thinking. The problem is not what's in your head. The problem is how what's in in your head gets expressed through the broader world. So that kind of what we need to be concerned about is what the dominant force thinks of us is you know does direct your attention in particular ways whereas the right is generally of the opinion that no you don't call things that are you. Don't call things violence that aren't violence. Actual violence is violence and so there must necessarily be more attention. Paid to people getting bricks thrown at them then to you know diffuse this concerns about whether Jews are still considered to be core of Americans at their core. I think that you know usually these. These arguments don't play out when there is an actual literal spate of violence going on and so it can be very easy for the left to ignore the you know like like it's one thing to say no no other things can be violence to right but when we're talking about actual yeah it's and I think fundamentally we not we keep targeting among different types of antisemitism in different types of you know of of fears that different types of Jews have because it's really hard to talk about does unified phenomenon lake. You have to go into fairly deep history lessons and talk about the relationship between anti usury laws and the rise of the Jewish Jewish capitalist to really understand just how much of these are just how much of these various types of Anti Semitism really do have have the same origin because they're being expressed by people who don't have any kind of intellectual contact with each other in the twenty twenty th century and so I'm not even sure sure how useful it is to think about them as the same phenomenon other than that as you keep coming back to Jane like Jews are the victims and so this has to start start from a premise of. How do we protect the people who are being right and I think there is also a sense I think you and I have encountered this while writing. Writing about this lot is that there's a sense of self protectiveness on both sides again about trying to make you my anti-semitism accents and I remember you know back in Twenty fifteen during during one of the Republican debates and coulture tweeted. How many fucking Jews to these people think there are in the United States because she was like we talk way too much about Israel like the whole thing you know? It's almost like basically tweeting and saying things that for. Had she been of a different political stripe. People may have construed as being anti Semitic but she got defenses from some people on the right as being. Well she's she's a Republican and she's good on Israel so it's okay this time and you see the same thing on some folks on the left where even bringing up. The fact that Louis Farrakhan is insane and a Rabid Anti Semite. It's it's like no no but his anti Semitism comes from things that make sense to us and it just. I think it's important to be you know the people who are being victimized here are jewish-americans Jewish Americans particularly people who are Orthodox Jewish Americans and they are being victimized across the political spectrum by conspiracy theories that don't make any sense at Eddie Eddie Way and. I think that it's important that like it's not a tennis ball that we can keep pack passing back and forth it's a real scourge of actual lived violence. That's taking place here but I do think that there is a unifying element right to the disparate. Anti Semitism GMS of the Modern World World. Right which is the idea that a trans-national ethnic community is fundamentally suspect. Yet yeah right like like by its nature right and so like especially it you know. And that has a different valence. When it's a transnational community that doesn't have a nominal homeland versus one that shows and and you know we don't have a Roma community in the United States at least a substantial one so like anti-roma prejudice is not a real Finan in American life but in eastern and central Europe where Jewish and Mormon communities used to co occur? Very similar You you know how stability exists because it's a similar phenomenon of people who are declining to fit into sort of like modernist assed concept of how the world should be arranged right and then in the Jewish case you have. I mean people right whole books about medieval anti-jewishness a anti-jewish does and how it relates to modern into Semitism at things like that but it is a in America we have sort of conflicting flicking ethnic nationalisms. So that Louis Farrakhan is sort of like the opposite quote unquote of like a neo. Nazi or the white nationalist. But there's obviously similar like you just coming from different right. I think that that's something that gets challenging. Because again you know one of the difficult things about talking about politics is that the left right. Dichotomy is very helpful but it's also frequently very wrong and then you know but then people buy into it like you know. I've been thinking a lot about the fact. That Louis Farrakhan is close to people in the democratic. Party and Louis Farrakhan. Erica also believes that Jews made me gay Bresso at like. I want the explanation of how that fits in here. The other Democrats that's useful here is like you know maybe lately small pointed out like I think I think even Richard Spencer has said that like That there is a certain affinity between green white and black nationalists because they both want to just live separately and peacefully and the idea that separatism I don't I don't WanNa leave Richard Spencer about that. No no I think I like but right but I think that the idea that separatism can be deconfliction thing is something that a lot of people in their heart of hearts actually believe it's at the root of a lot of like residential self-serve offset segregation right. But exactly what we're seeing right now with heredity. Is it shows exactly how wrong that is right because even even a group that wants to keep to itself that isn't necessarily trying to evangelize or impose on anyone else simply by its nature of kind of wanting eighteen to live in you know of wanting to live in a society is going to pose threats to other people no matter how much you know. It's trying to keep to itself and pluralism isn't really something oft into and it's not necessarily something you can opt out of either and so thinking about separatists as people who you are kind of absenting themselves from the social contract is exactly what leads us to this kind of well. They brought it upon themselves. 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ZIPRECRUITER's tools are so effective that four out of five employers. Who Post on Ziprecruiter get a quality candidate through the site within the first day our listeners can try ziprecruiter right now for free at Ziprecruiter DOT COM Slash Fox? WCHS THAT'S ZIPRECRUITER DOT COM slash V o X ziprecruiter dot com slash box ziprecruiter. The smartest way to Hire mm-hmm I rain this on a not so much because as important as because I thought it was kind of a funny thing to study but Daniel Hamer Mash Robert Krosno and Rachel Gordon wrote. Oh Youth and beauty children's looks and children's cognitive development as what they did was they looked at a couple different sort of Cohort Studies of children as they went through school. And you know sort of what grades they got how long they stayed in school and things like that proxy for cognitive development and they also used a video clips and pictures of these kids and they had panels of undergraduates. At rate. How good looking? They are And they found that. There's a strong correlation relation between Kids who are rated as attractive and kids who do well in school kids who go into school longer and then they try to explore a bunch of different reasons sort of why that might be an find it sort of most of the stuff you might think of. He's kind of in there like the teachers say that they like the better looking kids. It's more But that doesn't fully account for it actually accounts for only a small share of it They find that you know MOMS of the better looking kids on average. I'd say that they are treated a little bit better by other children. But again it's small right. So there's a sort of unexplained residual here where the better looking children do better in school school and they don't really know why eight might just be Co correlated genetic material early childhood nutrition. You Know Gamma Rays They give you a cute face. Also help your brain. It could be some unknown Third Instrument right where people. Aw You know. They can't control for everything right but there is some kind of dark matter out there which is causing the better looking kids to do better in school better looking at least as rated rated by a convenience sample of college students. Yeah I guess is how we do our rating system that they they. The methodology legiti is using thin slices of video approximately seven to ten seconds of duration. The face on the focused on the child's face and body and then I have several more questions money to imagined three three professors at quality universities. He's saying well. We did a bunch of college students to look at old video of five year olds and tell us which ones are the coupons right so they do some comparative Parad Work Year with a UK data. Set where it's the teachers who are being asked to rate the attractiveness of children which they treat as a somewhat compromised variable and I actually actually think much more relevant because whether kids who whether undergrads who are roughly the same age as the kids in the videos are now how think that those people are attractive not nearly as relevant as whether as a child you seem attractive to relevant authoritative adults in your life like take anybody who's read. The Atlanta Frontier Neopolitan quartet can understand that like the kinds of children who appeal to adults and the kinds of children who appeal to other. Children can be very very different or anyone. Who's ever been the kid who gets along well with adult? Oh my gosh. Yeah I was that kid and it went just how you probably think it did so but they do in this. Comparative data set like show relatively similar results. So it's not exactly like we're dealing with two totally different populations of kids here but you know it is important to note that like we're not talking about a huge effect here. The this is coming from a literature that has you. You know one of the streams of literature feeding into this started with well. To what extent can we isolate performance as a function of teacher quality and the answer to that has been not a time and the effect here of good-looking nece is lower than the effect of having a really good teacher. So we're kind of tinkering around the edges here a little bit. They do not like repeatedly in this paper that the really really persistent strong correlations are parental income and ethnic group. And that kind of thing that it's that we're looking at something that you know. It's it's interesting insofar as it's dark matter but it's not like the difference between a successful in an unsuccessful educational career is whether you're super keeped right. I think the relevance is less actually to the educational literature than to the literature on the economic for wards to being good looking right which is that we have studies that show that better looking people earn more money and one thing that this is showing. Is that like that is is partially expo ball in terms of better looking people doing better in school and having more years of educational attainment. I mean there's like A. There's like a parallel nothing right. Where if you if you instrument Like height and earnings. You'll see that tall men earn more money than shorter men which is like an interesting fact and can lead people to spend all kinds of takes about you know like hype bias and prejudice and things like that it turns out that when you control for a bunch of things including like school performance as economic background. That tends to go away right and that. It's just a sort of coincidence. That taller people well also have like other background characteristics that you would associate with earning more money which is different from a world in which we are finding that employers show like the large bias in favor of paying tall people more right so you're seeing a somewhat similar thing here if you like kids who did well in school have better jobs like. That's not that surprising where it's like better looking. People are getting paid more that that sounds like an employment discrimination story right. I mean the unfortunate thing here is there is even even though they are controlling for like print income and all of that. There is a question here about to what extent is this Justin nutrition thing They are in the UK data exempting Children Teachers described him as unkempt dirty From the data set because it doesn't somehow reflect on their looks whereas like it seems to me that that actually is exactly the way in which a teacher would respond to a student's looks like either they look bedraggled and like they're not being well cared for or they look like they in their family or investing testing some time in their appearance so it would be interesting to know how much of this is just a reflection of okay. Are you coming from a family that puts an emphasis on presentation on manners. That is feeding you well enough that you can then like have the cognitive capacity or are you being you know lately neglected in ways that might be partially but not wholly expert'll by social social class and might show up in interesting ways even beyond how how much money your parents are making can spend agreed. The interesting thing here is that they show that when you look at a little kids boys and girls rated equally and they say that when you look adults men and women are raid equally but that Like old kids like are like fifteen year olds The the average boy was at the thirty ninth percentile. untile and grow at the sixty four th percentile which which also speaks to the extent to which this is about socialization. How like even even in twenty first century world where I think there are higher expectations on men to attend to their appearances that has not historically has trickled down in fifteen year old boy among us? And if you're a fifteen year old boy listener I am with you. Stay strong are okay. Thanks guys that that was. That's not normally where we end up with the weeds. But you know hopefully we can Branch out of branch out into new things. Thanks as always at everybody out there listening. Thanks to our engineer. Jackson felt producer at Bat

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Forgotten Lives, Part 3 Valerie Burger Spiess -010

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Forgotten Lives, Part 3 Valerie Burger Spiess -010

"Mistry's miss and more. I'm your narrative. Joyce Keller Walsh my intention is to use this podcast to tell a story each month sometimes fiction sometimes not that. I hope you'll find interesting. Engaging and provocative forgotten lives part three Valerie Bergere space that's SP spe- I E S S. I never met Valerie. Bergere Speiss in life but a silver urn containing. Her ashes sat on a shelf in the living room of our Boston home. During the winter of one thousand nine hundred eighty two although she died in Costa Rica my husband John and I planned in early summer take her remains for burial in a remote area of northern Quebec Province in Canada. Why she wanted to be buried? There is the story of this podcast. What little I know about Valerie species early life comes from some passports and documents? We brought home from her house in Heredia which is about six miles. Dell's north of San Jose the capital Costa Rica. It's a mountainous area with a cloud forest lush and green which is perhaps somewhat reminiscent of the Alps in summer are Valerie was born in Switzerland on December fourth eighteen. Ninety eight to Carl and Margarita. Space Margarita was also Valerie's middle. Oh name she always said. She grew up in the castle on the Rhine River. Waterfall in the Canton of Schaafhausen. Yes a real castle which oh come to later. We have only a few photographs of her as a child. All on a tape of Sepia semigloss cardboard about six inches long and four inches. She's wide with the unreadable name of professional photography studio at the bottom in one of the photos. There are two other young children posed shoulder older to shoulder with Valerie siblings. Perhaps they have the same heart shaped face Brown eyes and all have the same bangs Valerie on the far right it appears to be the oldest about five or so with darker and longer hair in the middle is a younger girl with blonde hair. Probably age one or two and on the far left is a light haired boy who looks to be around three or so not one of them is smiling and in fact. They don't seem to be very happy to be there Valerie. In particular. It looks angry as though someone told her how to pose and she wasn't having any of it. According to the many report cards she kept Valerie was was an excellent student and even in the early photo she seems to have an intense look about her. Besides some passports Valerie's described as five foot five five with brown hair and Brown eyes. Still unsmiling and her photos is her marriage certificate to Auto Rainer Burger in nineteen twenty one in Czechoslovakia at the time of their marriage. Ottawa's twenty seven and Valerie was twenty three. She took on his surname but also kept her maiden name auto would have been about age twenty or so at the time World War One began in nineteen fourteen an age twenty four so when it was over did he serve in the military. His Age makes him eligible. But we don't know trying to find the right. Auto Burger in Austria or Germany is like trying to find the right Walsh in Ireland. What we do know is that two years after their marriage in nineteen twenty? Three Auto and Valerie emigrated from Europe to America. America initially settling on Long Island according to his passport auto was born in Austria of Slovak quote unquote ethnicity. Quite possibly his relatives lived in Czechoslovakia. And that's why they were married. Their Valerie's father had already died five years earlier at age. Seventy one vary was eighteen. Seen her father was survived by her mother who was sixteen years younger than him. Margarita died in nineteen thirty three ten years after Valerie and auto left Europe. It appears from ancestry passenger. Lists that Valerie may have returned to Switzerland briefly around the time of her mother's death. I don't know Otto's occupation your patient when they arrived in the. US During Prohibition Nineteen Twenty to nineteen thirty three but some time later he was engaged in importing and distributing spirits principally from his passport. Valerie's shows numerous chips to Jamaica from what I've been told to became quite wealthy with commission on every bottle of rum. He import ready for distribution in nineteen. Thirty Ottawa's naturalized as a US citizen. We have that particular doctrine but not Valerie's before nineteen twenty twenty two the wife of a US citizen worn or naturalized automatically became a citizen. But after that date. When Valerie arrived married women needed to meet the naturalization laws ause themselves? Apparently Valerie did as there is a barest of naturalization degree but no dates given at ancestry dot com. I found that in one thousand nine hundred eighty he to Ottawa's issued a World War Two registration card however we have no information to indicate that he served in the military according to Wikipedia when the US entered World War Two all men from the eighteenth birthday until the day before their forty fifth birthday were made subject to military service and all men from their eighteenth eighth birthday until the day before their sixty fifth birthday were required to register so otto at age forty nine would have been registered but not actually drafted aside from. Otto's passport photo. He did look rather like a Burger meister. The only photograph of seen of him is an outdoor setting where he's is feeding a black bear cub with a baby bottle of what appears to be milk a little husky side. He's wearing the equivalent of an L L. Bean Sportsman's outfit. It's very likely that the picture was taken on one of their chips to northern Quebec from all reports. Valerie had a special affinity for bears in searching ancestry. I found the following intriguing newspaper article in the Berkshire Massachusetts Evening. Eagle on twenty seven August nineteen forty-six James Bay. I'll be studied for Botany Lor and this was put out by the Science Service. Washington botanical goal of Comiskey island a large but little known island in James Bay. The southern to- of Hudson Bay is to be the September job of an expedition condition. Headed by reverend are them do tilly. Research professor of the Catholic University there with father. Tilly are Mr Mrs Auto Burger of New York. Mrs Berger speaks the language of the cree Indians who live in that region and will serve as interpreter and also assist in the botanical panicle work. Three three Indians accompanying the party to help in manning the two twenty foot canoes father do. Tilly expects to bring his collections and MM photographs back to Washington early October and quote in searching for information on Father Attempt. Do Tilly I found that. He was born in Quebec in eighteen ninety-six making him two years older than Valerie. He was quote an Oblate Missionary Priest and celebrated botanist with a particular interest in Arctic Flora in nineteen thirty three at the behest Pope Pious Eleventh. He was appointed naturalist of the Oblique. Arctic missionaries do. Tilly really would spend his summers traveling within the Arctic Circle Collecting soil plant and athropological specimens to be prepared and sent to the letter and museums in Rome and quote as a researcher in the Department of Biology and Arctic institute at the Catholic University of America in Washington. DC father do tilly brought back collections. Actions of Inuit artifacts from an expedition in March nineteen thirty eight as well as collections of soils and plants the collections are in the Smithsonian Museum and the Vatican he was a distinguished scholar and published books and academic articles including a nineteen forty-three scientific article Bairo freight flora of eastern coast Tames Bay and its islands. Bairo freight being as small flower. Moore's like green plant. It will be interesting to learn about that. Nineteen forty six six expedition. So I contacted the Catholic University Archives Department however the reply was that they had no specific information about father Tilles sex petitions quote other than what is given in the blog. The archivists notebook listed here in the show notes from the Berkshire newspaper article. It is apparent that the Burgers were in New York at the time of the expedition as far as I can tell. They remained there until Otto's death at age. Seventy seven in December of nineteen seventy several years. After Otto died Valerie emigrated to Costa Rica where she lived on the heredia mountainside in a modest one storey cement cottage outage painted Pastel pink with hanging baskets multicolored flowers on the outside it was no more lavish on the inside. Despite her wealth Valerie lived cleanly. But why there we can only speculate. It's a beautiful country with a stable government and the American dollar was strong at the time and widely accepted in place of colonies the official national currency there was an influx of American expats. Costa Rica. Then as there are American retirees. He's now but her nearest neighbor and friend. Several miles of the mountain was the contests on Totten Bach. Mentone as she was known was of royal lineage in Austria Germany going back at least to thirteen hundred. Although other members family also lived in Costa Rica perhaps say immigrated after the war. While John knew the Contessa I never met her for. She died before Valerie. But I came upon it incidental reference to the Countess. Von Totten Bach as I was researching searching another subject the reference appears in the book an English wife in Berlin by Princess Evelyn Lucia an Englishwoman. Who in one thousand nine hundred seven married? Read a CY lesion prince with that is another story in the memoir of her life in Germany during World War One princess blue expresses her gratitude for the the kindness of special women including the Countess von Totten Bach. That kindness she writes does one much good in the midst of the derision and jeers of the mob. There are five ladies all of them Austrian by birth who even at times when the fever of international hatred was at its highest. Point Point never behaved otherwise than tactfully and kindly towards me these are the Countess M Moorish Countess. M totten back. And the three ladies known as the Can Ski Sisters Countess Henkel Countess Clary and Princess Loewenstein. Never by word or sign did they say anything to hurt my English feelings and when I was in sorrow and there was rejoicing they would leave their family circle and come and spend a few moments with me condoling and sympathizing with me and my grief anxiety or suspense. These are things when likes now to remember and quote. I came by this accidentally and when I first read it. I couldn't help think that these are the things that should be remembered but which disappear so easily into the past I perhaps however now be preserved in cyberspace given the contest is kindness towards this English woman whose native country was at war with her own. It is not surprising that unknown also extended that humane care to include animals. As did Valerie. It may have been that Valerie located in Costa Rica Rica. Because of her friendship with Contessa. I don't know but friends. They were when Valerie died in January. Nineteen Eighty two at age eighty three. She willed her house and property in Heredia to what was then the World Society for the protection of animals whisper. It became the site of the first public animal shelter in Costa Rica. Valerie was a long time donor to the organization and because she had no family and new John well she made him executor of her will in fact as she lay dying in a San Jose hospital she called John. He left immediately from Boston and when he arrived. Valerie said Oh John at last. You've come and died shortly thereafter as John was arranging your funeral. He asked me to help him along with Harada where Thomas who John newly hired to build the shelter on her property to clean out her house. I am prepared for what would become the new whisper office in Central America. I took some vacation days from work and traveled for the first time to Costa Rica. By the way all these as years later that facility still exists and is in charge of a local animal welfare organization while Geraldo has since become the organization's director Director of Disaster Management the Americas. What I remember? From that event so many years ago is that there was a lot of boxing of the contents of the house to discard and a lot of floor mobbing. Because in Valerie's absence her black Tara named Valentino had escaped his cage and chewed to a plastic water pipe in the kitchen flooding most through the house. The Tara T. A. Y. A. is a member of the weasel family found in central and South America not a ferret but not altogether unlike one over much larger and more aggressive. When I asked Geraldo if he remembered what became a Valentino? He certainly did. He wrote to me that the Tara Red chased all the staff at the shelter as he was building it. Valentino moved at quote a somewhat slow yet continued cadence until he got them. He bit one of my fingers really badly and foot two German shepherds for fun. He then also quote managed to open the locks of any cages. He was put into so until Geraldo was finally able to place him on quote a small island in the middle of a private lagoon in the province of Ottawa with Valentino was finally mainly reestablished in his native habitat. One strange experience that I had while I was there was when John and I went to visit an American expat whom we we now only remember as David he had a Finca or far farther up the mountain I guess he was in his fifties or so whether tall and bulky and quite friendly. I've been told that he had had an ivy league education and came from a wealthy family from whom he was estranged so much details to or not. David walked US out behind his house to a railing that separated his yard from pasture inexplicably. He produced a book like a poetry and it to the poem Ithaca by Constantine Cava free which was published in translation from the Greek around nineteen. Twenty twenty four without explanation. He asked me to read it aloud to him and without question I did. I didn't use the American pronunciation. Creation of Ithaca but for a reason I don't know I pronounced it Faca. The island of who was the home of homers Odysseus and. I just spoke at the way I thought it should be said right or wrong. The poem referring to Odysseus Journey is non rhyming. I'm going to read to you in light of what followed not long after after however you can skip over this part he want Ithaca translated by Edmund. Keeley as you set out via Daca I I hope you road is a long one full of adventure full of discovery lice just Goni and cyclops angry. Poseidon don't be afraid of them. You'll never find things. He's like that on your way as long as you keep. Your thoughts raised high as long as a rare excitement. Stirs Your Spirit. And your body lies. DRAGOONS CYCLOPS COPS while Poseidon you won't encounter them unless you bring them along inside your soul unless your soul sets them up in front of you. Hope Oh pirogue is a long one. May there be many summer mornings when with what pleasure what joy you enter harbors. You're seeing for the first time. May you stop stop. Venetians trading stations to buy find things mother of Pearl and coral amber and ebony sensual perfume of airy kind as many sensual perfume as you can and you may want to visit many Egyptian cities to learn and go on learning from their scholars key pathetic. Oh always always in your mind. Arriving there is what you're destined for but don't hurry the journey at all better if it lasts for years so your old by the time you reach the island wealthy with all you've gained on the way not expecting vaca to make you rich if hacker gave you the marvelous journey without her. You wouldn't have set out. She has nothing left to give you now and if you find her. Poor Ithaca won't have fooled you. Wise as you will have become so full of experience you'll have understood by then what these attackers mean. I recall that as I read. David stood UNMOVING as he looked out over the pasture and never commented in fact. I think that ended our visit an awkward silence. I wasn't sure what to make of it nor was John so we simply went on with what we had to do. It was not long after that I learned that David had committed committed suicide. It seems to be now that perhaps this was meant to be his epitaph and because perhaps he had already decided to end his life that we were meant to somehow bear witness. If that were so I didn't realize it at the time. It has taken me all these years to recognize it. Perhaps because I grow nearer to my own finality hopefully not too soon I think he was marking his journey's end. I stayed in custody weaker for only few you days on that visit paying my respects to Valerie as she lay in repose at the funeral home giant hired to indigenous Indians as centuries for her around the clock it was something he thought she would have appreciated due to her special relationship with the first nations of Quebec Province which is why she wanted her ashes to be interred in the far country of the tech trouble which she had spent so much of her time in her early life. All we know of that period of Valerie's life is that she regularly traveled to the far reaches at that time of Quebec to be with the native tribes. She lived with them taught them beadwork to canoe trips with him and endeared it herself to the tribes people in a way that was uncommon for her time in the nineteen thirties enter gender. She also worked on a dictionary of their language. Translating getting into French and English the testable it is thought our part of the Dick Amac People's the first nations inhabitants of the land of the Upper Saint Maurice River Valley of Quebec Province about two hundred miles north of Montreal. The addict language is a branch of the Algonquin language which is closely closely related to the cree language. They do not however consider themselves as cre- they apparently see themselves more closely aligned with enu formerly known as the nets has copy Montagnier Indians in the eastern portion of the Quebec Labrador Peninsula. I'll come back to the Montagnier later in this podcast. Why would they call? All the technical. The literal translation being round heads will according to the website native language dot org the name Cote is actually a French translation relation of a Dick which is a native word for kind of whitefish. The same whitefish is called DIBLE BOWL head by local French Canadians and quote. I doubt that the Dick Cole themselves to double by would they the French colonists in their war with the British and the mid seventeen hundreds extensively for control of the Ohio Valley pitted the Iroquois who are allied with the British against the enu addict Amac who are allied with the French. It's it's difficult to find population numbers for the Dick Prior to the French and Indian war but between raging smallpox and the slaughter the Dick by the Iroquois the population nation is believed to have been tragically diminished. Today they number Amir five to seven thousand living three communities in Quebec province each one on its own reserve that is land that is legally owned and controlled by each community with their own chief in its own government but they are also Canadian citizens so they are subject to the laws of Candida as well of all the places Valerie could have chosen to spread her ashes on the mountainside and radio where she lived and died in Schaffhausen where she was born with her husband wherever he was interred. She chose her final resting place to be with you Dick thus one spring morning carrying Valerie's ashes especial suitcase. We flew from Boston to Montreal in Montreal. We met at the airport with a lawyer and a staff member from wisps Toronto Office and border to five place place to have one beaver. piteous votes the BEAVER. As it was commonly called was a high wing Bush plane designed for short takeoffs and landings and used for getting into remote areas as as we headed north over the vast undeveloped woodlands icon see below mile after mile of intact flourishing forests and with only a few rough logging trails to landscape it felt as though we were going back to a more elemental time a time before roads cityscapes ups and modern technology. I had only one other experience like that in my life. It was when John and I travelled by motorized canoe up the bio river in Panama to an I selected Kuna village many tourists familiar with the Kunas of the sound blessed islands but these indigenous people with the so-called Interior Kunas who lived near the Colombian border on an island apart from any tourists apart from the Panwar government with complete hegemony over the river. They still lived in longhouses houses much as they'd done for centuries with multiple families side-by-side cooking and sleeping under huge thatched roof on polls. Several years early at John had worked with Kunas on his second animal. Rescue Project Operation Noa to during the construction of the Hanno hydroelectric dam and we were traveling up River River to see Thomas. John's friend project foreman. It was only because of that that we were allowed to enter the territory and only the Sahira village chief chief could give permission for outsiders to visit as our canoe cut through the water and the trees flanked each side of the boat all traces of Panama City left left behind and I had that same feeling of leaving the modern world for more remote one. Exactly what I was experienced that morning as we left Montreal in flying towards trois-rivieres where the Saint Maurice River meets the Saint Lawrence we passed over a single settlement of perhaps thirty idea so small monopoly houses on barren ground. which we were told was built by the Canadian government is winter housing for the Dick Amac? It was a sunny clear day day as seemed to me to be specious for the ceremony. John had planned but there was no one visible in the settlement below. Our pilot explained that as soon as it became spring the Dick left those sterile houses and moved into the woodlands which was home to them. We then flew north along the Saint Maurice River and as I looked down there was a site that remains vivid for me still a line of canoes. One after the other full of addict people's paddling towards the place where we were to meet for the ceremony of tearing Valerie's ashes as we neared our destination. which was the the Hudson Bay Company Post? I realized why the plane was on floats. There was no airport. No runway no landing area. We were going to land on the water and taxi Z.. To shore funny. But I didn't have a single apprehension about the flight or the landing. I was loving it all as we. Dogged and left the plane we were met by an assemblage assemblage of various Quebec ministers and provincial officials to attend the occasion then like technicolor movie one by one the canoes pulled up in the first people came ashore. Some twenty or thirty adults filed by ten or fifteen children as all gathered solemnly around the spot where Valerie's urn of ashes was to be interred. Heard I stood to the side of the dedication and have no memory of any of the eulogies. The Canadian ficials spoken French. John Spoken English Asia and the Dick AMAC chief spoke in his native language. A plaque Valerie's name was dedicated there to commemorate the fact that this was where she wanted to be not in Switzerland. Not In the United States not in Costa Rica but here in the land beyond cities where she truly felt it home if only we'd had the capability of recording at all but it was years away from cell phones and we only had a still camera with us. I do have a photograph of John as he is giving his Eulogy Eulogy and one of me standing next to the airplane with numerous giggling addict children around me after returning to Boston. We put swollen number of documents documents from Valerie's house away in a bag in a corner of the living room along with a book. She had which I think translates to Indian fables of North America published in nineteen eighteen twenty four. We intended to do something with her belongings someday. But what Valerie auto had no children and if there were any siblings valley oh he never indicated it and the family name species in Schaffhausen seems again to be is communist Burger and Berlin not long after this John and I were in in Geneva for a conference and we traveled north by train to Zurich about a three hour. Ride to visit the folks as mentioned in an earlier podcast. Our intention was to then go on a little father only about half hour to Schaafhausen to see where Valerie had lived in the castle on the Rhine and perhaps find relative for their approaching. The structure made me think of Disney castle. We're sleeping beauty might have lived castle ouston or in German schloss Lafon and sits on a rocky promontory overlooking the Rhine rivers strongest waterfall in Europe so called rainfall it actually actually appears in many paintings and pictures as an imposing medieval stone fortress undergoing repair at the time. The castle was not as it had been nor as it is now but it was still imposing rising up over the midst of the waterfall. The history of Schloss Lafon dates back to the ninth right century a D as of the thirteenth century. It became the home of the Barron Waffen and as the fifteenth century it was owned by the von few lack family who sold it to the city of Zurich. It had several private ownerships after that but today it is back in the hands of the Canton of Zurich thirty years ago when we visited it wasn't the prominent tourist station that it is today when we spoke to the then manage schloss Lafon. He wasn't able to confirm anything. You think about this family and speculated perhaps they might have been the gardeners we left wondering valley was perhaps exaggerating her birthright. Eight although she did have in her documents a number of pictures of the castle around the turn of the century when I recently contacted the Canton Zurich to inquire about the relationship between this species and Schloss Lafon I received the following email message from the property administrator quote. I found to remark at at the European Patent Office. where Mr Carl space was listed with the address Schloss Lafon rainfall on a document from eighteen? Ninety Ninety eight they showed the document sadly I have nothing more about the family species in the early nineteen hundreds and quote. But I ha- as as it happens Valerie's father was named Carl and she was born in eighteen ninety eight evidently at the castle so although this piece family didn't own Um Schloss Lafon they evidently did live there. The patent by the way is for a special kind of closer. Look I don't know cosby said other patents. A what his source voice of income was but I hope. This close Hook was successful in replying to the castle administrators. I have offered to send them our documents. And the vintage postcards absorb the castle and Schaffhausen. But I didn't receive a response. I dearly wish some relative might come forward from this podcast claim. What's left Valerie's effects rex? Unfortunately as Geraldo relates the rest of her files which were kept by the Costa Rican lawyer for five years were ultimately destroyed. So that is all I can tell you about this woman from Switzerland who cherish the company of the Indica Mec first peoples in life and in-depth. But there's a little more to the story from my perspective perspective as I've said before life is full of mysteries. Never did I expect to travel to the place in northern Quebec where I had set my first produced play many years earlier that play was called the relations of Paul Lesion relations being that relatives but rather narratives it was based on one volume of the Jesuit relations. There are many by Father Poulation who established a mission at trois-rivieres in the sixteen hundreds in what was then called New France. Luzon's directive was to convert the indigenous people that is the Montagnier to Christianity as I am neither Roman Catholic nor Montagnier. I have no idea. Now why I settled on that subject matter but I found the combination of dedication even unto martyrdom and the spiritual certainty of the missionaries. He's a worthy dynamic to explore in. My Apocryphal Story. LOGIN is permitted some self doubt and the Montagnier become an evenly matched intellectual adversary. So never did I expect it but there I was in north and come back on land that might have looked very like it did illusions time and among people whose ancestors might have encountered him sometimes things have a strange serendipitous way of circling back on themselves and and I feel fortunate to have experienced it. By Way of Valerie Bergere Speiss. I'd like to express my appreciation to the archivist at the Catholic University the Property Administrator at Shaw Sloven which references you may see in the show notes to this podcast and especially to rot awareness of the Costa Rica Office of World World and will protection. Who provided information and anecdotes and tried valiantly to locate any remaining files only to discover they'd been destroyed a a cautionary tale for all who wish to preserve their life stories? Thank you for listening. I hope you'll come back for the next podcast with an excerpt from my new Novel in progress did her swamp in the tree. If you like this podcast please download and subscribe. It's free and you'll find it on your favorite directory such as Apple. Google stitcher tuning in more to learn more about me and my books. GO TO JOYCE WALSH DOT COM

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One Day in Escazu near San Jose, Costa Rica: Itinerary To Transform & Travel

CREATE with Katrina Julia

15:19 min | 3 weeks ago

One Day in Escazu near San Jose, Costa Rica: Itinerary To Transform & Travel

"Appropriate with katrina julia. This is all about helping you. Create a life and business. You hands on with tips tools and technology. It's about the freedom freedom of expression of time of location of an ultimate financial freedom. I understand the struggle. I've been there. I've walked through and continue to lock it walking from fear to fate devaluing sell pre to love calling and bondage dollars. So it's been a journey as you can see walking dead right there with you on your own. Green a life and business learn all the themes about wellness about how about lifestyle and travel. You will learn how creating it and how you can create it too. So who am i. I'm katrina julia. Lifestyle entrepreneur a creator traveling. Welcome to one day in s kazoo. Costa rica and ten arena transforming travel. If you haven't put s kazoo which is near san jose on released list yet. It is time to now you will love. The nature incite suny seeing foodi favorites proximity to the to the big city and the mixture of the olden. You ask us is less ten minutes away from san jose and is known for an abundance of ex patriot. Big city options with a calmer and quieter feel and is often referred to as the beverly hills of costa rica. it offers nature hikes. Like real. Agnes a cnn achieved nearby which is on my last episode and blog nearby in santa. Anna's well that's one of the reasons why. I decided to not just spend one day discuss who on costa rica but about three weeks esu near san jose and the belt three months in costa rica. If you didn't know where to start with your timing cashew here to help you hashtag. Credit traveling helps you transform and more way more ways than one when you travel to costa rica no matter what your costa rica. Victory is in and near esque. Iskoe sue you love it while there's planning experienced one day to transform and travel whether you come so with family and friends or with the group. You'll definitely want to consider staying longer. Follow this one day. An esco costa rica itinerary to transform and travel. You eleven to help you have your travels be transformational even if it is a short trip. These are my recommendations for your top experiences. Four year one day esca sue. This is my first time. Esca sue and thanks to costa rica airbnb linked in the blog in the show notes. It may not be my last. This is my second time. In costa rica since twenty sixteen when i hosted our transformation and travel retreat in costa rica. Playa del coco near liberia. I love the poor vida. Although i'm staying in costa rica for about three months i love to create adventure days to share for myself and others whether you are somewhere short or long term and then you may want to consider creating them. Cheering to travel fills me up new people adventures and experiences or something. I love. My story includes being conceived in bulgaria born in poland and countries. At the time. I was too including a refugee camp in italy. My travels in costa rica include a focus on nature adventure and healthy travel experiences. If you did know. I lost over fifty five pounds over five years ago. Capped it off in addition. I haven't drunk alcohol for over five years now feel healthier than high school disclaimer. The average person who uses herbalife global nutrition. Who's a half a pound to a pound a week with a healthy active lifestyle and all of our online and live experiences. Include a transformation tools with health tools. Wealth and business tools like herbalife. For my fourth long-term stay in costa ricans kazoo ended up staying heredia gas. We are airbnb at a private large room. Which is about ten to five minutes in nearby. San jose a private room. Stay in hoya. Omnia rodriguez is an incredible cultural and community experience with millions enthusiasm energy and experiences along with a beautiful colonial home and garden's which you can also tune into our episode where i featured amelia a couple episode before this one on her entrepreneurial and journey and creating what she loves it. You prefer private homes. Amelia offers those as well and you can follow through the link in the show notes to the blog and the specific link. I included in hoya. Delia rodriguez or the airbnb. Lean and learn about her private homes as well and see her garden and her beautiful home with the youtube video that i linked in the blog as well escott allies it about eleven hundred meters above sea level on the northeast slopes of settles. This gu it is a mixture of modern and the magical it has made a three adjacent neighborhoods including san antonio the so esca centro and san rafael discus. You there is a growing amount of foreigners. Taking residents in escott adding to escort charm. Is the hikes like reoccurance. Which i did fresh markets every saturday the largest mall in costa rica the multi plaza anna location of being less than a typically about ten minutes nearby to san jose. I love visiting esco so custody guts. Interesting to see close to the big city yet. Feel far removed from airbnb. Excuse me easily. Walk to the farmer's market on saturdays nearby attractions like restaurants and souvenirs like syndrome basilio fee hall and access to hikes to waterfall at real address. Let's explore the experiences. I recommend for one day in and year s cashew. And you definitely want to check out. My one day guides for offer to now month affair. That and welland tonio as well as san jose coming up if he were zoo on saturday a great way to start your day stop at the fresh farmers market. You will love it. Not only. is it a great tourist experience but it's great to for you to experience with locals it opens at five. Am and stays open till about one pm. You may experience everything from fresh fruit juices. And posadas says in of course getting all the fresh fruits and veggies you need for the week or more. May i added in esca sue. I went about adm and had to fresh juices. Pusa brought bought a good naba. Not gonna banana or sour juice bananas. Pineapple you starve. Fruit of does salon tro and spinach home. I spent twelve dollars. Total undoubtedly would have been much more at the actual supermarkets. There are sanitation statements at several points and everywhere and everyone wears masks and my visit was as of march. Two thousand twenty one. It's located right in the center of esca soon. Neither church with the city blocks blocked off. Sin demilio fee hall is a beautiful colonial style building with the garden where you may go for souvenirs and food if you're an se on other days. This is a great place to stop reduce coffee breakfast of course lunch or dinner. I stopped for an incredible juice mixed with carrot and ginger. I love during anything and in a banana if you go to the farmers market i. It isn't easy. walk close by the end. The chimba a my last couple episodes mentioned hussien belleci chiba which is a beautiful place to go for my history adventure culture lovers. You'll want to add it in nearby. Santa ana on your list. It is about a twenty minute or so uber. Ride away depending on traffic. You can listen all about it on a couple of episodes before this one andrew read about it on the blog hyper leaped in the link. That's hyperlinked this show. When you scroll down to hacienda chiba. They offer hiking on the mantra trails. To la mano or the hand cultural and coffee experiences zip-lining and ropes curses. You plan on hiking. You definitely want to go. No the nine. Am because trails. Don't offer much sheet. I ended up going at about seven. Thirty a m in hiked to la mano had a typical streak and breakfast afterwards and then experience the incredible colonial and cultural coffee experience. And you can see a couple of pictures on this blog in the lincoln show notes as well as my video on youtube so it's easy to spend a half to a full day waterfall hike biographies right when i arrived at my airbnb. Amelia let me know of waterfall hike nearby with dixon via their property and or via airbnb experiences. Alba another airbnb guest in high decided to go my second day Second day here. Wow what an adventure and included a path to the waterfall. I never would have found on my own climbing up and over rocks in a beautiful waterfall yet. Depending on what you decide with your morning chin-bun shopping. You could add in the waterfall. Hike for the morning around. Adm or the afternoon around two pm. Like i did shopping institute. Esu s kazoo is often referred to as the beverly hills of costa rica for the shopping. Lovers it does not disappoint it offers the largest mall in costa rica the multi plaza s kazoo village with options including walmart and a smaller mall and energy which is where i went in As kazoo village several times my last week there and avenida s kazoo for higher end restaurants shops as well visited esca soup village and our jim and enter jim several times. The for grocery shopping and energy is spic and span clean in a beautiful gym and avenida one time as well. You may find them easily via the ways app Uber eclectic kitchen casino. I collect eclectic. Kitchen is a perfect way to end any day in his kazoo. Near by san. Jose there are numerous options for incredible food. Esca sue at nearby. San jose by airbnb super hosed. Emilia learned about this incredible dining experience. The previous airbnb gasman wall. This is definitely one of the top. If not the best food experience. I have ever had while. Wow wow amelia. Told me in another airbnb guest about it. I wasn't sure what to expect. It was be blown away with a beautiful home. Artwork incredible food experience is a mystery from start to finish with smaller top portions. You don't know food. You're going to get joanna. At her food allergies and preferences the deliciousness continues until you say stop. She cooks all types of food from asian to indian moroccan to latin with fusion style. The prices are incredibly reasonable for the entire experience. I never paid more than eight hundred dollars for the whole experience. Keep in mind. They're subject to change. You may find kucinich via uber ways. It's very close to avenida exca- sue look for the green door. And i shared the pictures in the blog with the link in the show notes with i think later sticker an entrance and buzzed the rigor. The kitchen is open daily from noon to about eight pm. Also subject to change. I love the eclectic kitchen so much that i actually went four times during my three week. Stay guys and there's also a video on my youtube channel. That's linked in the show notes as well. The food is incredible. It will blow you away. Okay reasons to stay in. Anna are reasons to say esu. Costa rica longer depending on what is important to you. You may follow the or may decide to adventures or modify other options. There are countless ways to enjoy your time in as kazoo near san jose. Costa rica from nature to food two shopping experiences and of course adventures may entice you to stay more than a day not to mention the rest of costa rica as you may clearly see esca. Sue has limitless options for one day experiences and much much more whether you want to be lost in wonder with hiking. Spend the day shopping or connect with culture with us. Chain bunnag lactic kitchen. You will love it. Have you visited as super before. Is it on your bucket list. What are some of your favorite experiences. If you haven't yet what would you do. I as always you guys you leave a review on the show. I will shot you out if you share on social. I'll share and as i share limitless. -ly create transform and inspire because you are born to off new tabs on well-mannered money marketing is listen. Travels to life and already head on over to the blog. The podcast and the threes to jump. Start your transfer transformation. You're ready to dive into the questions. The live of that or the retreat. And if you wanted to create with our community on an even deeper level definitely check out. Our internships are influenced collaborations managed and ran. Let's create it.

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Being 'proud' of Collingwood

The Signal

19:44 min | 2 months ago

Being 'proud' of Collingwood

"This is an abc podcast. I'm actually speaking as i'm standing in my son's bedroom and go to use magpies scarfs and being the up on the wall. It's tough when you got that new clouds as bad as what's being revealed at cisa tossing the resolve. It's been a hard week to be calling would supporter one of the biggest richest and oldest. Afl clubs melvin has been found by a team of independent research is to be home to a distinct and aggressive strain of racism and the response from the club's president was about as far off the mark as you can get vicious historic and crab day football today. We embrace a leadership position on the most fundamental of rights quality to be who you are based on your abilities and character and nothing else. So eddie mcguire has since walked back that comment but not before it did a lot of damage so how did calling would get to this point. And what does its racism scandals. Say about the nfl and about australia. More broadly. i'm steven smiley. And i'm angelov lapeer. And tha down the signal. Getting the measure of collingwood's racism problem. And what comes next So even if you know nothing about the nfl you've probably heard these plays nine in the past few days. Herod shayla mumba was a star player for calling would between two thousand and five and two thousand fourteen in fact when he was just twenty three the magpies coach mick malthouse said he was a future club. Captain and over his nine years at collingwood lumumba by the anglicised. Name harry. Brian until two thousand thirteen played one hundred and nine thousand nine games including the grand final in two thousand ten. That was the year that they were actually too much is after calling word and saint kilda drew six. Ti oil in the first one and lumber didn't only stand out at collingwood his skills on the field he was born in brazil and as the son of a congolese father he also happened to a very small number of black planet an overwhelmingly white football club and in two thousand seventeen documentary. Ed on sbs. He talked for the first time about what that was like. There was plenty jerking around. You're trying to find your place within the club so you'd be honored to get any to some mine. Was the nickname chip and on top of his own experiences. Lumumba also spoke out against calling woods. President eddie mcguire. Particularly regarding the time that he suggested indigenous sydney swans player adam goods be used to promote the musical king calling fa- kinko get good stanford you know. It's something eddie. Mcguire has apologized for and described as a slip of the tongue. But the episode made an impression on lumumba. Eddie mcguire is with william and harry. O'brien has chosen to join us. Israel harry thanks for doing that. We see more indirect racism in saudi. Once let slip the the the sleep. When i challenged the comments that eddie mcguire had made employees of the collingwood football club. Decision-makers identified that. I had gone astray from the club's virtue of side by side. I can remember feeling the osler. I'd ever felt in my life. I came to that realized. Fuck i actually. I'm extremely insecure about a lot of things. How self conscious. I am about the wild look equally my black skin that i didn't realize that started from a young age now reaction to comments over the years and more specifically to his description of what happened to him at collingwood was ugly. The club questioned his mental health. It disputed whether the racist nicknames had ever been used and denied there were any cultural problems with collingwood itself and quite a few people in the media joined into but those denials of the mambas claims. Were comprehensively refuted this week jack. Would you mind introducing yourself. Full name and title for the record plays My name is jack let him. I am currently the acting managing editor of nrt digital verify on top of those credentials. Jacks also taking an interest in lumumba's korea and treatment fees are recall watching him play Unfortunately i am a collingwood magpies supporter which makes all of this even more difficult to resolve your personally To reconcile myself to the yeah. He was a great player Then from twenty four seven at emerged that he had had some of. You know bit lighter that he'd experienced some racial discrimination and worse than that really. If there's any worse than racial discrimination. He caught that from the club itself and a lot of seemingly allies of the club. The club tracked him through bicycling gasoline. In what he experienced what he jude didn't happen. When you say gas led how was hey smeared it like what. What form did that. Gas lighting take will. Everyone knows what gas lauding is. These days been insured for those time when you have. Your reality challenged not only cabbage completely new reality pressed upon you. So that's what heredia lumumba experienced. He came forward and not always from the club from the media. Basically they put forward that he had invented it. He'd come up with himself and that wasn't what actually occurred on here that he was suffering for the all sort of nervous breakdown so scenario mental health problems personally ice dad four been aware of issues or concerns challenges so that narrative was really pushed Strongly from the club but tighten up and run with media artist. His chaim stuff specifically. There aren't many who signed that. I heard that there aren't many people at the club side that they heard that so. That's what i'm trying to get a sense of how widespread it was. I would say. I'd be very surprised if with a majority of players weren't aware of the rice who of the racist jokes or the nickname. But that's the thing hang on what they're doing is consistent with the way that i have been in. You know we see this a lot with anybody that has courage to speak out against the sorts of things. Despite the fact that seeks of harry cello members teammates had corroborated his account of his experiences at collingwood that skeptical response still stood as the effective loss on the subject really up until this week as applied support. I mean lumumba's talked about this. Sort of why monoculture among the players in the club. I mean does that tally with what you know about the club. And how do you sort of reconcile. You'll support for the tame with with that sort of description. Milligan i'm not a cloudy and solder I come from north and by the work. I'd actually get interested. I felt so it took me a while to get on board but Moved from up. North down fitzroy and collingwood area by process of elimination calling. Now they've been known as a racist club for decades. You got back to that. Image of nikki. Women listening is jumper twenty at the color of his skin. That was vicky cock and response to some pretty vile colored spice from the crowd size. We my guy on it off the ground ellen. Richardson is had this. Mock for decca. But still we had all these old school hotline storage black activists from sixties and seventies and before that really supporting collie and. That's what a lot. That's what got me on board. What are you. This irony this The fact that. Why would these people that i have looked up to as as prominent figures in evers activism. Since i was a kid why would they support the most reviled and non-racist club in the in the code A lock that talking with people that were involved within the club there have been efforts to some time to replace the leadership with people that Obviously of a more tolerant mind but those efforts of being frustrated along the way. I hear these things and they're the sorts things that play out in that car crash. Trying records a pressure that calling would pull together on monday good afternoon. Everyone thank you for joining us here. My name's jodie size la thanks jody. Welcome everyone this is an historic and proud day for the collingwood football club. Now let's let's get to that So the back story to that press conference is this report. That calling would commissioned in july of last year it was carried out by larisa baron and linden creams. What did the report side in in short Toxic culture within the club and agenda slide in grind structural racism. And you know these people. So john boehner is treat. That comes out of t s. Stop status Scott larussa barrett landing Like the brilliant research the smart mines not going to mess about you know When alert that this were behind. The people are going to do this order. Kona raise the question of what calling with thinking in our alison whitaker's and other ones part of the team like these people. Just they know that doing going to mess around. They know racism when they see. They know how works. They understand the workings of rice's which you know to be frank strata. Broadly speaking does not get this. Like you. know a kid. With a buckets on its head. Banging the wall But every nuance every sort of skaric That makes up what. Racism is These guys know about it and his calling with going. Yeah we'll get them to call and someone inside the club as obviously had the influence in the ability to get somewhat in that you doing in the new iphone. Yeah and i'm really interested in this story about how the report was handled so they got this report back which was a bomb waiting to go off right and that was in december but it didn't come out december what happened. This is really where life hit boss choice so to speak yet in december or think it might have been december twelve district report got titled and very short eddie mcguire announced that he would step aside as president at the conclusion of twenty twenty one season. That is why making this announcement to not to give interested parties and more to the point. People are interested in time to get their affairs in order and for me and my board have the opportunity of providing barack obama style transition rather than a donald trump experience. So that's the came and then nothing happened. You know they just sat on it up until sunday not win. It was made available to around about half a dozen sort of sections of the community. Let's say included media in mob you. As a journalist custom opinion have come from inside the club and that was sunday sunday. And then monday. The was the media comforts cold by hollywood to scramble. Scratch together pressure in which was as roma himself says the to watch in the last six years in particular in a deep dive into how we can make ourselves better i up and then to provide leadership and conversation in the community as early calling with k now what i saw yesterday was a clear case of cowardice. Visit clear case of football club. That is delusional. If that's the way that collingwood wants to address the fact that an independent report that it did not want to be out in the public. Now i i. I know that. For a fact that i'd be nothing. Congress will go club since late last year. When i knew i had the report. I be knocking them to that report and it was not getting to me. I had it was. It was actually sad that i had to receive that for media sources. So what i saw yesterday was directly in line with the condemnation. Really all what report of the report. The it's a proud day quite was the one that really a through people rised. Everyone's eyebrows But beyond that. I it extrordinary. Quiz was was that with that other parts of the press conference like what was his general sort of wives speaking about it. And and how. How did you interpret. He's general way of talking about the contents of the report. Well it was pretty much an extension of the attitude that culling would his head. The club has had The club leadership is had towards issues of racism. Thin with inside the club On the field observing other instances of racism in the code and then as lumber and another others pointed out like the ripple effect when you started rocking upon you ceo eye circles that was it reverberates resonates in broader stralia public. And that's kind of what You know lumumba when we spoke to him at a an an effort to soda stress is that this is more than just about the club. This is you courageously taking a stand against something. That still are prevalent in this society. We need to be really precise with how we can. Firstly identify racism. That divide is calling football club. It's something that is in the report states and structural it's embedded within all of the systems that they have for the way they operate from administration level to the board level to the football department club that's structured in a way that as the report reveals failed to me his legal requirements for dealing with issues infringe on people's workplace rights and human rights. So let stoops. Just don't be the harry. What happened to you for everyone. Listening just explain. can you. What happened to you when you went and said look. I'm being called chimp com being. You know these racist slurs are being made. What happened to you. When issues are raised. And this is i can. I can attest to this. When issues arise racism. The club is more likely to deal with it as damage control and you were to silence the individuals that raise it and if it does reach the public that's when now act later in the wake as we said eddie mcguire adid retract that comment about it being a proud day and he apologized for distracting from the findings of the report to and then yesterday the cubs players also expressed remorse in a written statement. And as jack said the club is underway. Eddie mcguire has already announced his retirement at the end of the season. But the key question. That is still unanswered. Here is whether the problems to do with systemic. Racism that were identified in the report have been fixed and on that issue. Jack says he's optimistic. Up to a point is is attention and the fact of the reports existence and the way the story played out. Do you think a sign that this problem is being taken seriously and could be addressed as a result. I think it's a great provocation. That's the best we can harmful. Yeah absolutely taking seriously. This absolutely gosar frustrated even within the and i know this fact. They're people that have observed source officer while trying their best to bring attention to to make change within and frustrated. Still to this to be serious. The what we what this moment. Iso recognizes that it needs to move. It needs to act. And i think of something other bath fills review into calling would would have been even worse than the one type of by the jumba institute fleet. They do that review again. There's someone actually speaking as i'm standing in my son's bedroom go magpies scoffing the up on the wall. It's tough when you when you got that you clubs what's being revealed. It's tough Today and for the wake. If you are enjoying the signal please take a sector right. It's a review. Maybe give a writing. It does hope. Other people find the show and i guess it makes us feel nice as well. We'll be back on monday again. We'll catch it in i. 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Teachers Care Society

1:13:36 hr | 2 months ago

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"Care society the podcast and talks about all these and fuelled go get chauffeur service on kindergarten teacher. Tennessee we'll be discussing figuring out your teaching style and teaching trial and error. Welcome back to this guesses service on a kindergarten teacher from tennessee. and well. congratulations making probably school year. This time to be teaching. i'm good. it's been kind of a crazy year as everyone knows. Twenty twenty has been a true test quickly. I'm able to adapt to new situations in all of that. But i've been able to find some straightened out. started this school year teaching student teaching in a hybrid situation resume in in person kids at the same time. Now i'm in kindergarten. Three teaching only half of them at a time so it's definitely tested my endurance test. How badly i truly want this. But i've just fallen in love with it. So it's it's been good but you know there are times i'm hanging on your teacher preparation program to teach you how to deal with crisis how to do a fire drill intruder earthquake or not the pandemic right right so i think you're teaching is a hyper schedule. Is that true. Yes we just finished it up. Actually so i've been kind of creep hearing myself to go back tomorrow with all twenty of them but it's been a just half-and-half in it's been really great just coming in in the middle of the year In my first year it's been hard to make. That adjustment was nice having the small group setting at first and help them get used to me in may get used to them. So hopefully tomorrow. We'll come together pretty effectively. That will save. Fingers crossed invests. Need instagram you. Classroom bookstore inviting. So i love the posted you that you you show you shall have your classroom. And i think there's this library corner and if i was a kindergartner. He's comfy chairs pillows decorations. Great to give a book. No come and it's pretty nice. And i thank you give credit to your cricket ray years so i love the cricket. I'm glad i got it a little bit before. I started teaching really get used to it. But it's it's easy because you just you created on like they're designed space so any like these ideas that i've had on pinterest for years. It looks really fancy but whenever you get around to actually make you get more adept with it. I've been able to quickly and cheaply can make this classroom. Come to life. And i only had about Less than two weeks or so to get everything together over christmas break so it was nice to just whip things up really quick and it just really made my classroom really be so. I definitely recommend anybody get that teachers. Go to essentials are the eliminator by the pressure. And since we're talking about your library so you gotta share you secret on how you got all these books. 'cause idiot teachers inherit them from the teacher or You know sometimes there's her nations but you have quite a good variety. Yes this was. Probably my favorite part of getting my classroom together on started pretty much as soon as i was in my teacher. Prep program which also recommend anyone do like even in your freshman Gathering my parents were definitely like my biggest supporters with that. My mom. The early literacy in was just constantly giving me bugs and looks that she loved when i was growing up. i also had t- retired teachers or teachers who were retiring and they gave me a every single book that they had so combined together. That was amazing One of the donations was for a lot of epa grade. Books that i liked having knows there to encourage literacy and encourage them to read but Once everything got closer. And i needed some more picture books. I asked relatives who sent sent me books. I always go to goodwill or like used bookstores and finally the one that i probably the most from with i just started posting on facebook pages from around where i live in these people would be cleaning out their closets and things are. Kids are out in so like as long as i came in picked it up. They were happy to get rid of everything. So that was really amazing to like. It gives my kids a lot of variety which i think is so crucial for them. Facebook is a marketplace is that what is facebook marketplace bundling. It was like just like local. Because i've looked on marketplace but a lot of them sometimes would still have higher prices. Or whatever so i just started posting in like our free in it. Like there's like a. There's a lot of like free in whatever your town or city's name is in people just post things on Around and got it sounds like those reality. Tv shows were they look for special valuable valuable. Those locker hunt was louder to the reality shows or stores and they called jim's rishard. Oh that's cool. that's cool by far. My favorite creation of yours is your positive bulletin board so a one look at it. I'm assuming use me craig's you done a lot of labeling you classroom your classroom but about two weeks right right yeah. Congratulations on probably a record there. Somewhere yourself. ocd yes furniture. I wanted everything to be organized. The way that. I wanted it. Because i just knew that i couldn't focus on any of the important things like the curriculum standards. What they're actually gonna be learning. Until i had my things in order so that one bulletin board you're talking about. That was something that really actually made my life easier. Because i was looking on teachers pay teachers and it was a whole set like a classroom decoration. Set in girl. Same as ashley mackenzie. She has like a whole bunch of assets. You can buy. So that was actually. I didn't make the cricket. But i used a lot of heredia is in like if i wanted something on the curriculum and with that up but those that set really saved me to since i was in like a major time crunch right before i got the right before i entered the classroom in headed. Have the kids so it was nice to have two weeks. I still can't believe of a feed. That's cutting While on some sure your stress during those Those two weeks and just even stress in general all school year. How do you say positive. I mean not only inside a bend but outside the classroom as well. Yeah something. I had to really kind of look inward for 'cause i do Diety in this year has definitely skyrocketed for a lot of people so i actually started reading a book a little while ago. It's called the science of burnout by two sisters than agasi sisters. A negative just a lot of recommendations about really caring for yourself and not always just like the bubble bath in candle but just like really allowing yourself to like. Have days that you don't do anything or don't take your work home. it's. I've really tried to implement that as i've come into my new job because i mean is you know your teacher yourself. The kids do require a lot of emotional energy So i think it's important for me to take care of ourselves. I have much more patients that have much more drive in excitement whenever i take care of myself so. I'm just really trying to give myself downtime in breaks in less screen time when i'm not at school so that i can really be there in present when i am with the babies trying to cut down my street on a lot own toughen that there's lots of teachers who have yet to meet their students in person like for me i. I've only known them through screen for you need israeli fleeing. I guess that you had like prior to meeting them while you had to we countdown and then when you actually met them yes. I was so excited With student teaching. This path. Like i said i was a on zane with Half of them. So i definitely understand where you're coming from mayor. It was hard not being able to actually have them in my room. So when i knew that i was going back to a traditional classroom i was just over the moon I just dreamed about being coming in teacher for so long. It was like magical when they started coming on the hallway. So i was excited. I'm still thrilled there. They really light up my days. I'm just so thankful that this is the profession that i chose. I can't wait to. I have nine kids. So i can't wait to see them. Whatever that is. But i do miss. Let this hallway. Directions are the best for me was hall interactions on walking launch into the library. Walk into the assemblies. Some what i miss the most. Yes but yes. Oh i am nine hundred. And so there's just a lunch restrictions because that only the mass but also the social distancing well united with the little ones so it's a little bit of a tricky concept to grasp them and some of them. I don't think they fully know what's going on like the pandemic what's pandemic to them. All these deals Mask even on the wash. Our hands are still not entirely sure why they need to wash hands with the whole year of this like into the pandemic. How are these conversations with richard kiddos. Just like hey you know. Let's let's say. Say clean lindsey a wear masks etc grateful. Well you know. I've had good luck Just coming into into the middle of the year at maybe. Because i didn't have to. Those norms within the previous teacher did but i i swear. They are better than the adults they like. Forgive your there. So i don't know there are a couple of off to remind Background or keep it on. But they haven't played within near as much as i thought they would feel like everybody on tiktok. All summer was always saying like. Oh you're going to have to tell your kids. Stop their masks stuff like that. Never done that. So that's really good but they just. Sometimes i'll hear the remind other students like you need to stay in your bubble like a good role to go by but luckily my class has been pretty good about wearing them. And so that's you know a lot of stress off me. Image comes to my mind. Is someone a little kindergartener using the last part of the mass as a as a slingshot as it comes in my head. That's nice head rechristening topic in you know that's about finding. Ut sound so usually when you're teaching your triennial you're in the classroom. You're back to go to trial old. Can his you're going to be another even Your first year even thirty actually says it's a totally different. Say in someone else's awesome during your student teaching rotation then you being fully in charge of your own and so you kind of have the luxury of you have the luxury of having the experience of teaching online and in person so you knew that the kids are going to go into the school year is twenty twenty twenty one school year the either the option of having students the in person or via distance earnings so raising fantasy. The behind the scenes of that was the big takeaway from the biggest takeaway. I think was just realizing that we all had to be so adaptable. Because i'm sure in your school is well some of these new situation change regularly and so you know the students have to be adaptable. The teachers have to be adaptable as a new teacher. This is very hard It's hard for anybody but just being jumped thrown into this. And i just realized through this process that i had to be very ready for whatever was going to happen i just remember distinctly like putting the finishing touches on my classroom and my parents were there in looking at it from. I know it was really precious. Little moment. i got the email like Finishing touches on that it was going to be hybrid schedule. Bought it was like for zoom. Like the half and half with these new hybrid. It was like oh my goodness like oh that's going to be so hard with kindergarten Ended up being kind of a blessing with having them just half-and-half for a little while. But yeah i just realized. I have to be adaptable. That kids do. Everybody has to have to realize this. Is everybody's first pandemic an we gotta give everybody grace. So you're telling you this is your second. Lets you parents join in to the classroom. Yes it was really nice to have them there and they were. They were excited. Do they know they've known. I wanted to be a teacher forever. So it was a special moment on nice unless cycle. I don't know if it was your mom. You know she. She wants you to school first day school now you to walking together as a as a teacher doesn't the mom so let's get right so yeah so since you hybrid in person that means there's a lot of labellings and serve students aren't really allowed to share items and so i'm assuming Knowing that students want to share interact with their with their peers. And like here had this are here. Try this but i guess they can't Other structures so. How's the ad. i'm you definitely get. You definitely hit the hammerhead. They're like it's really hard especially in kindergarten. You know sharing a big topic. You're supposed to share things if somebody doesn't have something gary you're supposed to help someone when they're when they dropped all their supplies or something like that in it's like the reverse that has being of course it's a hard concept to teach like yes you should share normally but not during pandemic and it's definitely a hard concept for them to wrap their head around edano so we try to. I try to really try and build their classroom. They're positive community in different ways. Because i want them to be kind to each other even the third like sharing their items and stuff like that but yes especially in kindergarten sharing and not having to be so you know away from everybody is really hard. We're talking about kindergarten Somebody's they'd like to share way too much actually teacher friends who are kinda like in similar situations you were. Is there. The backing persons some kind of hybrid model year and a half or alternating some ab schedule but they found some innovative ways. Keeping students engaged apart in the mask and now these barriers they have some of them are having kids about these bubbles. Everyone gets bubbles in their own padron area in other words like simon says games. Another one is found. This is pretty neat coordination basically like a mirror activity so you students are one side of the line and the other side of the line and it's kinda like the synchronizing base is swimming or whatever synchronize sports are were obviously partners are six feet apart and they had a mimic or a mime the movements of their their partner right across and whoever's like the shadow or the most imitation of wins and so that's pretty neat some information. Yeah the an for me. Since i'm completely this inserting a lot of shaking their wills our shaking. And so i'm trying i'm trying but How do you engage out especially with all these restrictions that we have right. It's definitely been hard you. It's it's hard not to have them like collaborate as much in stuff like that. But i do try to give them lots of Brain breaks activities like that just kind of reinforce the idea that they need to in their bubble They're pretty good Sometimes some reminders. But we do. Lots of green breaks from right. Go noodle or jack hartman in as long as spread out and everybody can have a good time we're still able to do everything but just little reminders. Keep them on track jackson. They're stuck in my head a little jack harman. I recently got into. How do you know be is so jackson boom. I can't name the other ones just a my youtube. Play this these children's and i'm like you're in the team number song or whatever like oh my god what is my life. Come to know your recommended list. You do provides us. Sometimes we for example today the gonzalo king contrary came out and then like the recommended thing. Here's what this all. I can clearly see a mind. All like max on maybe song little so Do feel that you were. I mean obviously no one was prepared for a pandemic The legs but do you feel you. Were well prepared for during your credential program. I do i do. I originally was know kind of free thought that question a little bit. Because i don't feel prepared for now but that doesn't mean that microgram was know all bad or anything. How could they prepare us for. What happened with cova hood. I do think i was very well. Prepared they really focused heavily on just getting you in the classroom. Soon as stage hiding refers teaching class. And so what really helped me get acclimated. And i think that you know pedagogy wise. I think that i was really prepared. I did a awhile on my own like that was just a personal choice thing that with minor things that really prepared me most of all just to feel comfortable in my own skin in a classroom but this does two things. I think it's been. It's helped me get acclimated a little bit. Still a million and one things to learn teacher i do. I do pretty cared from microgram. That's good that's i do feel elle's pretty eighty percents on at the same time. I felt a little. I learned a lot from our course. Our learn a lot from my friends are my peeps rinsing credential program your friends but some of them are you used to be friends with some your credential. Yes We did a core model as well and it was kind of. You know you see the same same people. Throw all your classes in ended at like. You're really with those same people the whole time until about three in them We all graduated. That same semesters i did. In one of them actually works at my same school. So it's been such a blessing to kind of walk through the season of life with her and other people that understand these struggles. So that's really nice to have that a relationship with those girls were all in the same district and everything to do so. It's just really nice to have a support system there. That sounds like a lot of fun working with the your son who's in the same court as you great. Did you find out before. did you find out. They won her that we let one friend. I was talking about. We actually student taught side by side. Like the classrooms Extra either we were friends before. But you know not seek reclosed or anything but student teaching side-by-side planning together at all that Who is pretty crazy so we got pretty close and then when it was time to make the decision like where we were going to go. School is when we both found out that respect to opening that saint school. We were like. Oh my gosh. We ought to do this so semi her neier are that seems school so i don't see her all the time. It's nice to have lots of works nicer me something similar so i got hired on school and then my son who is in extinct for credential program as she. She got hired Like a week or we have for the school year was going to start and so she reach out to me. And i said the somehow found out that that she was applying. Because the talking to using. Oh we need. We need one person. You know anybody who was hired at foreign. She told me missing was my friend's name. I said okay. And so i told my friends i will with some pointers on The interview questions and she got the job and then this is great. Yeah and how. Now she wants out. They can be professional meetings development. Pd's and so the type of humor that she's used clueless she knows. I like very dry sarcastic. Humor professional the meetings all. Gosh this is the way he is like she'll she'll throw me under the bus but yeah Let's see so. I know that in the beginning of eastern preparation Teaching program or whenever you start your rotation on that it can be a little bit daunting like sharing ideas especially since technical guests. It's not really a classroom so you just you know. You're there to learn from the master teacher for me. When i was a bit hesitant to implement my ideas you not only the mic complete stranger to school classroom. The students teacher can be scary. So you know my master teacher who. I'm still confronted really can pull me aside and basically told me young. Take advantage of this time. Know take advantage of these next three months that you have in my classroom because you know you're paying a lot of money for this you're really take advantage of all your time any here because these moments or you can make mistakes and we won't judge you harshly and so that really resonated with me and so basically after that conversation pretty much to govern hands on dad i do think i went above and beyond because i really wanted to try out a lot of things that i wanted to try before i would get to try to my actual classrooms whole trial and error it for you when you wanted to do these new ideas in the classroom. Yes i can really definitely relate to your experience. I think very kind of timid. At first. I knew actually knew my mentor teacher. A little bit. Because i had subbed for her. It just so happened that it worked out that way those really nice having that comforting presence kinda right away But same thing as you. She kind of threw me in a pretty soon. After i got there which originally has come on like. She's like okay next week gonna take mad than the next week. It's going to be math an reading and then she'd like the nicotine math reading in products and i was like okay so it was. It was very similar to you that she was like. She's like sarah This is my it was like it had to be. I think probably thinkers twenty six year teaching. She's like she's like you do you. I'll offer advice. I'll offer you know ideas for you. She's like not going to criticize me like any kind of constructive criticism you know. That's that's great but she wasn't like super hard on me or anything. After that kind of encounter with her. I felt like okay. I can do this i can. I can try new things and she was always the supported like no matter. What like i was like. I remember one time i was like well. What if we do sight words like an. I can put on like a rap. Beat the kids can do it that way. And she's like she's like no. I'm gonna lie. That's not what i would do she. Let's try it. And i really liked it. So she's like awesome. That was really nice to have her. Just i mean she cared but she like she. She cared what i did. Every see she cared about her classroom and everything but she didn't really care like what my style was. She just kind of helped develop that with me was really great to have that support relationship as long as as long as the kids learn as long as the other having. Fun is really matter how you present the information. That's nice for me collaboration. Important and again you will That time that your student teaching or doing rotation the best time to do all that trial and error on an even as you're even as a first year teacher. I know there's a joke that your first class. It's kinda like the guinea pigs because you stuff that you didn't get the time to try near during rotation really time for you to really blah's we're gonna teacher. You wanna be euro gonna teaching style works best for you and you students and again trial and error that. Everything's gonna work as a mistake and so for me while i was doing. My student teaching really appreciated all the feedback. I got from my teacher. Like reflected a lot similar tyrod. She's i'm not that i would go or you would say our. That is berta or she might say work well this time. Let's let's try something different next time sir. But did you master. It could be a lot of feedback in hyde. How does he handle that feedback on constructive criticism. Yeah she did. She was like very. She was like a little bit wary at first of giving giving it to me because she like. I said she really wanted me to be comfortable. I think she wanted that. Like most of all so that i could actually have a real relationship with the kids in her and everything but after a while like i was. I was comfortable with her. I i wanted that being black. And so i would just ask her like unlike what did i. What did you see me do. That wasn't good. Like i don't i don't want to the point. Where yes. I wanna hear like reinforcements things. That i was doing well but i wanted to hear to like what's needed improvement in. So i would just ask her. And i think that was very telling of how she was as mentor teacher too. Because i was looking. I was thinking that from her like i knew i was in a safe place. Any kind of constructive criticism I feel like. I handled it well in just tried to implement it as soon as possible under soon as you start implementing new ideas. It just gets easier and easier to make adjustments like that so it was. It was really really great for me to learn. Learn how to have someone tell you like something that you did was a great interest grow from it place of love to so my my digital years. All right i'm not going to talk to you. She she'll tell me you already know how awesome you are. But i'm gonna make you be even more awesome person. And so she told me just straight up holidays. I was trying to Let's see what we can do differently. And so i really like the. She didn't hold back because she says among them telling you this. Because i care because i wanted to be a better teacher. So at that style. Are you when you had that feedback. And i'm sure you you're reflecting yourself as well on the end of the day or the lesson or even the end of the week. Did you reflect a lot in yourself. Are you late your own. Worst critic or are you harsher news though. That has been something. I've been trying to work on as well. Sometimes i think back to small moments throughout the day like i could have handled that better like why didn't try this than sometimes i am a little bit era law too hard on myself and it's like i don't know with people who have any kind of like that are anxious moments. I feel like you can take one small thing that happened. That wasn't the best during the day in the whole day was bad. I'm trying to remind myself. Daily like okay. Just because i didn't handle that situation like a like a teacher who's taught for twenty years does not mean that the whole day was bad does not mean knowing bad teacher is i've never gonna grow and do better so just trying to give myself like positive self talk during this time because there's a lot of things that i can do better and there's a lot of ways i can grow and that doesn't mean more like bad right now. My teacher friends on blasberg had these these teacher friends who you know. They started applying and they were nervous. And i told him my case. Oh first of all they hired you because this you potential they hired you because you're the best at what you do. So they want to. And that's why they hired you on also told my no one bad day one little small mistake because he mispronounced urges because you in addition from wrong or even with singing if you get the latest on singing as either a road news on the kids are going to be the while. The teacher sucks now. Is that that that that break. That will groom especially teaching now during the pandemic in not perfect. No i'm sure my master teacher says that she is but you don't be rushing of what i would say the big thing for me. I'm new to the district. I'm new to this specific district. That i'm at right now. Was the support team and so making sure that i was comfortable making sure acclimated well because i'm a stranger stranger to everyone that's the style students families and i. I just wanted to make sure that. I felt like i was a part of this team and particularly especially because it's a special smaller smaller team and so from a us making sure everyone did love me with opened arms and they were willing to help me out and spend all the extra time to get on the phone call with me on. This really made me feel welcome. Wasn't something similar for used. Was there a good support team that they help you get acclimated again Coming two weeks. Prep that's yes. I do have a really good team at school. in fact. I'm really really glad that i ended up staying at the school i taught at just because since this year has been so crazy everybody it was at least nice to have some sort of stability like i was going to the same place that had been going to since august. Yes it's a different grade. Yes it's like you now now. I was traditional. I was hybrid. There's definitely some changes but it was nice to just have faces that i recognized in people that i knew that i had that support system during such a crazy transitional time so it really helped me kinda get adjusted info community so i definitely understand how hard it can be onto a brand new place and not knowing anybody you said. That was nice to at least know the The staff and administration and everything During this change on mineral wanted a little bit slow back to dentals. And so i had two rotations. One was special. Ed aid was multiple subject. And when i was during the multiple subjects i was with fourth grade and i tell her ideas that are looking back at them. Some of the more into some of them were gonna crazy. But i'm glad that my master teacher entertained the idea and let me try again. The whole trial and error. I think she was times when she told me like. I knew that wasn't going to work. But i wanted to use still. Try it out again. The casino learning by trial by fire and so sitting teaching is that it allows us a safe space to try out these new things again before we have our own classroom like you and i both setting be intimidating the beginning but for me i really wanted to focus not only on my relationship with the students but a master teacher as well just to see you know what has worked out for her or him in the world's has worked out for them and things that they learned Because you know they have a lot of years of experience they can really help you out a voice or mistakes that you don't have to try out yourself so for you. How how was it. Gimme your relationship with your master teacher. Trying wanted to try new things in the classroom. Yeah i felt really kind of awkward and uncomfortable. I just you know being a new space being in someone else's classroom being a guest in there. I think that is a very hard line to walk in you. You wanna take their advice in you but you also want to try new things in like like you said. It is hard to figure out exactly what you're teaching style But i am god that i have that space to try. You know something's worse. Something's didn't and i've tried to take things that work with me as down to kindergarten. Also just just trying to embrace that same idea in my new spaces well like i want to try new things. But i also wanna ask questions for my team. And how other people do things. So i feel like it's always incomparable. Incorporating new things. Or i mean. I feel like i'm uncomfortable. A lot of the time honestly right now to speak as a new but i think after awhile of incorporating new ideas yours other people's it just it just becomes more natural and you can just pull things out of your toolbox so try to do this super often so that i can just keep growing as a teacher accused. Sometimes i know you don't do. It happens again going back to the teacher. She gave great feedback. Which is what. Would i like then again things that i wanted to try and things that she tried out and give me feedback on on experience. She's dead before getting into consideration. And i would tweak it up a bit and it is really allow me to address. Potential must days and then go ahead and trial mightier in this whole trial there but My other rotation is when i was a special ed and was trying a whole bunch of things outta it was a big shift from From genetics bed and so orientals trial and air. And so when you try new things the young Not gonna stay at anything's gonna land. That's just the name of the game. And so of course. I feel good when things didn't work out but for things that didn't work out. You know first time. My my heart was shattered by them. Later on and quickly headline is is a game of adoption. You can do next time. What can can. I change it up right here on the spot. Where the materials. What can i do before. I lose them completely so i for you were there times. Were like while you have all these great ideas and you want endelman dome or maybe you put a lot of time into it from either. Sometimes i put a lotta lotta prepping and then just cannot crumbled a situations like that. And how did you handle it. Did you take it in stride or you said all right and then work tried it again. Next time yes. Let's definitely have made too many times to count. I feel like a lot of times would happen when my supervisors something was observing me trying so hard to implement some things that i knew i needed to work on Right one of those. My supervisor was mentioning. A lot was like incorporating success criteria. Lenka into like when you're going over learning targets and stuff and like especially for the little ones like i know i've mastered it when i can do blah and i just. I had the hardest time trying to figure out like what that needed include in. How like the kids could even come up with their success criteria. I just kept turning on these observations than it was hard to like each time. Like i still still didn't do right. But i feel like i eventually got to place where i could do. Better she was another person in my life during student teaching. That was really helping me. You know just incorporate new things. Just keep trying so i do try to T take it in stride. It's this is my third week of being hired teacher. So i definitely mario have to have it all together but i do try to. Just keep trying no matter what So you know it is rewarding when you finally can incorporate that advice or suggestions from other people so as a. I definitely celebrate the really big susceptible the small successive like especially when i was able to get this. The monitor word. The printer welcome. Bertram was whenever i could get things like smooth sailing with. Zoom hosts like great. This is amazing. So yeah like from their larry. Everything is smooth sailing from here. Pretty much earlier assistance since added to notations for the to credentials had it was. It was really whiplash. I would say so. From sped it was ki- was kindergartner. Second wasn't even that long ago but it was k. Through second and so would that. I was really like high energy. Like kinda like the disney character and then when i was with the genetic words in big waiters all the fourth and fifth graders my Totally changing so just those such a big drastic change jobs that house i wait what will kind of what kind of a teacher am i over the top or am i relate this sarcastic teacher on my like this early straightforward teacher. The rarely cracks jokes because the upgrades grades while they were tough. Tell you that. So i was like what am i am so i really had kind of a hard time outs. What style would work for me. What style workout from the students. One of the big differences. Like the pace. I i was so used to going at such a slow pace. What the the the. I know ones the ones are might teach you know. Fifty percent of the students get a move on special. Ed where i really move at their. When they're ready then we can move on. Until i was a big big big big change your made. I really had to learn how to change teaching hats. I guess those but for you what kinda teacher think you like. What style would you describe yourself as. Yeah i can kind of Relate to that What you're saying just not really knowing your specific style. Because i kind of i saw myself before i got married position kind of being more like a movie second grade in grade in grade. I kinda thought more like middle of the road I wasn't like cut off from any other options. But when it was go when the full-time came available and it was kindergarten or my gosh whereabouts. Go to be five. So i think regardless of the grade level i would say very positive teacher like positive with behaviors. Like lots of pbs. And everything like that. But i think with them you know. Cut kind of expecting more expecting to be in the middle grades. I think i had a little bit higher expectations. That i bring down with me But i think that's a good balance for them. Like i wanna have all the fun. And i want to be positive and i wanna reward them when they're doing the right thing and all that but i also like have very high expectations for them and you know i think that's important for them and it helps you know just as i am embracing learning and growing as a teacher like. That's my goal for them too. So i think just my goal is to provide them with a super safe space where they feel like it's okay to quote unquote fail. But they also can rise up and keep going so and you know they know are have high expectations. They know that they can meet that too. So i kind of walk that line the I know everyone has a teaching style. Some teachers are still trying to figure out what that is for example. My co teacher energetic silly type but now she's teaching through this asserting She totally changed. See how other wasn't her g. Wanted to. She really wanted to be the type of teacher that she's been for years. Sir now all is on the right time to be discounted feature now right. There's kinda of like five times of teaching styles But basically the on the first one like the authority style which Think of college. You know big lecture hall to utah. You take notice a presentation or powerpoint. Them bell rings every night clause. The other one is the demonstrator. Lots of modeling. But like what. You do. Come when i when i taught like parenting classes. Lots of modeling hop like this. How far witness liz. I just make lots of modeling months of demonstrations lots of light movement hands on activities. The turn what is the facilitator type again. Lots of hands on you really promote the self learning appear so really taking a step. Back telecast are friends. now here's a problem. How would you solve the talk to your neighbors talk. Would you partner next to you. Working groups really kinda only step in. Obviously there's danger or of the kids are really really really all track distracted around attracting the classes law groups but yeah i think the fourth one is kind of like a delegate billy gator which is basically lots and lots of group work come with the teacher observing from a distance again really only be used as a last resort so The teacher would say like before you ask me. You know asked to france or Ask someone else or check your no bogaerts as you winner may be as only last source and so the students. They're really learn from their peers. That way so this Students learning on collaboration bound again before they reach other. Teachers is not really the first step of the. Dj's really the last step so as you can see this promotes. Lots of a independent probably problem solving skills. The last was kind of a hybrid or blended which teacher blends their personality with. This students needs on. I think this is kind of like abo- at listening. All of these were kind of teaching style. You which would you think. do you like the most. Yeah i really like the facilitator method kind of the blended as well just really trying to finish on their needs but the facilitator especially for kindergarten. Because i think this hands on strategies and stuff help with their conceptual knowledge whether that be math or onyx or rena reading. I think that's essential for them just being so young Bent just also the. I like the blended as well. Just really trying to meet their individual needs. I think this can kind of relate company during our intervention time than just really trying to reach each one of them and where they're at so that's my goals for what teachers want to use. I'm working towards that every day in my there yet i'm i become a blended Maybe in daily year as well. Because i can model social skills i get model how to say hello to our friends how to say good morning how to say by but i don't want them just the practice me all the time through friends in practice out in the fairgrounds whenever and so. That's that's why the delegator daytime you take a step back approach model maybe once or twice a reminder by really wanted the practice get the hands on learning from their peers. That inconsiderate City were used a lot of feedback Particularly hybrid model rains sped up. I really need to do taylor. My style to the students d- until their learning needs rec- areas soon as different learning needs and everyone's at their own pace. I need help them out with. I really needed change in my style. The best. I also like to delete her Stabbing sometimes i. I liked singing the step back potion watching soon inquire have that inquiry based learning hands on activity with the agrees. Did i did like the heat. Room type activities is relaxing. How they problem solve their friends. How do they approach. Wants to approach it this way through might china different way but i. I definitely think have changed. Teaching style may too much. I definitely have changed. Have you seen year. Maybe changed over the years or months or even the nucleus short period right now. Because i don't know. Have you seen the do. Teaching styles changed. yes again with the zoom dilemma. It was i mean. I'm sure you've had to adapt as well. It's just so hard to. It's just hard to get everything that you wanna get done over a screen in the way So i mean. I felt like a lot of the time you know. I could only demonstrate in the united. Ask their Feedback in things but it was just so hard to do grouping so hard to really have them talk to each other so That was that was hard. Because i do like the collaboration aspect of learning alike for them to talk to each other. I think they learn the best so When i've had my in person students are really having braced the facilitator method or in the hybrid is well said that they can. They can interact with each other in and learn through relationships with each other to you. So do this again. Teaching resume zoom is totally different world. I teach i wish we end zone. But anyway back when i was teaching fourth and fifth grade l. is very teacher centered. Tom which is very direct instruction in the beginning And then later on. I can associate a became more. A student centered with my coach. Really learn from each other and provided many opportunities for students to explore cell phones on their own master teacher allowed me to these. I can escape rooms like these types. The murder mystery time problems for example Through its walk into the morning until the classroom and they'll be like outline of a body in the ground like it'd be like a crime scene. The teacher would be on the song you know somebody was was was shot figure out who the person was and suicidal. Go around the user left or the right hand for the web. I'm like you know. Why is this. Why is this wallet not take in on etc but it was originally funds are enjoyed that stu working with each other then. I came to special ed k. Through second environment and it was a lot salah modeling. And i basically turn into the animated character and our legal over the top and the best way describing over the top disney character. I have no singing voice. But i tried my so i was really over the top acting out expertise when i was trying to do the social emotional learning lake our friends. Do we feel happy over the top grin that we feel sad to really emphasize it was really milking it on. So that was a really over the top of the content remodeling over and over again with me model than i would really emphasize for example. I was teaching them out. Tucson a twist off cap like make grunting up earlier relief from make that face like is moving a ton right here on news this little jar. But those mayo's the i did all this to get the kids. Energize energize You know a secret but sometimes when we teach we had to pretend like it's the first time where we're seeing the. Yeah like they would say if you knew if you know what you're gonna get for christmas or what you get for your birthday 'cause maybe a frontal advance but then you still asking prize. Do open the gifts eight year. I would have the. I surprise. Because sometimes i would teach teach the same thing like twenty minutes later like the very next day so have you had a similar situation like this. Yeah for sure I think you know i try to. I try to be very like animated. And everything with the kiddos in you know. Because i want them to think that it's on. I think as a teacher to in general. I mean that's a daily thing. Whatever it is it's going on in your life or you know. I've had some things like tim up in my personal life is well on. It's just like you can't put on that different hats of you're you're the teacher now and may You know. I don't know teachers like in the ted talk like teachers become very good actors like you. Every single day that Something else is going on in your life. I think showing up for them and and being silly and doing the dances in doing the songs with them as you know at that pays off for them in the long run nursery. Their teacher really really does scare. So i can definitely relate around that. Let's see the other time so the facility type of meal whether jazz more open classroom has the beyond his or her level and the other teachers also kinda like a student learning with the students and so this over the age groups but the best success that i've seen is what the little ones so we in. The teacher will present Them but the teacher won't provide the answers Assistants for how all. What do you think we should do should should i do this. Should we all do this. You know what will happen if we'll go this route so the teachers kind of putting themselves like as a student because the teacher doesn't want the students to rely. Ira teachers going to give me all the answers. I don't need anything. So it's really like is like bill was the analogy there. All sailors They're all the same boat i am. You know we all work together to to guitar. Station owner The way were sears. Really helped focus on sudan's independence as really wanna explored. Have that whole hands on learning. What has class can we all do. What can would ideas. It will work again. Let's not relying teacher to give us the answer. Because it's not the waste gonna work in the in the real world not going to be like. I'm not gonna expert someone to come in and rescue time idea. Learn how to solve things on my own like this is as a facilitator before this is a really kind of what i strive to do now. i think the inquiry based model like that is so important for them. Like you said to learn how to solve their problems like even though they're five and six i think they can still be so independent. They can still use their resources of their class. classmates or other things that they know you can compare share with others So many of my students are just very social learners to they're not gonna learn for Talking to learn from conversing with their classmates. I think this really Benefits to class than they share. Their idea is in. I think it gives them more like a reward in their learning to. The teacher is giving them the answers. They're they're working towards it and growing. So i really liked that method. There's been some times where i teach them putting all this effort teaching teaching content and then they don't get it right or she. Most of the classroom get it but certain students do get it and then we have small groups bacteria and these do get kinda put them in charge of the other groups and then they teach it was unlike the rest of it. I don't get offended. They learned through another student something like that. I try to try to be listened kindergarten. It is a little bit harder than being so young but but then within being in charge of their learning in any capacity i think is good for them. I saw this in my Fifth grade class. I was put in. It was like a little bit different than teaching. It was only like two days a week and you start classes. But she was She was like a master at this Delegating had high students with the lower students. They were doing a lot of teaching. Like you said end then like this can't magically get it 'cause they're learning from peers in all of a sudden they kinda like care a little bit more So that was really cool. I think if i ever moved to in upper grade that something really really want to incorporate because like watching it as a college today i was like oh my gosh because she would just set the timers unit. Sometimes they'd be like twenty five minutes at a time and they had some tasks that they had to solve some tasks that they had to write about and she would provide support as needed but it was really incredible watching them all like come together and have a finished product and they learn a nagel their weight. It was really cool. So i would love to do more of that kindergarten. It will say a little bit harder. But it's very cool concept. One thing that i never was was a like the data type of teaching whereas my my where the highway or i never really pretended to be the expert. Or like mr noah. Smarty pants is not my style. I know it works for certain features. that's great but for me it's not me and so the last of teaching the that are really got to try on only a few times was Was kind of like delegator. And this is the most hands off potion. Essentially you create like autonomy in the classrooms a self-governing government self-governing environment. So everyone having classroom jobs. Everyone's responsible for something and they really wanna get gotta pull their weight together if they want the whole classes and so i tried this with with middle schoolers it takes a little patience because hormones by anything they know everything and so again this you know you had his world together as a unit but you need to do your part you need to. You're responsible for this response over this and your classmates are depending on you and for this type of teaching. The teacher explains what the goal is. Our goal is to learn about a native american history or goal is known him out. You know how to build a particular instruments. Whatever may be and teacher you know will provide the resources and the teachers yard. These are the would you have. This is the goal. This is he's earned. The boundaries is limited. So what you can cantu go ahead and try and to check in every now and then to see how the students were doing. Teachers taking notes on Students get really off tired of Correct of course but he knows the everyone boulder away. It was like a network in the classroom in the students. Were really working right in the beginning. But after a while they really they pull their their way through. They're able to to make it work. It's pretty neat because You have certain students that my struggle but then you had those who came away all right time to help out and they would help out for students at needed. A little bit support Have to smog. So students stepped up to the waiters to ask for help and it was nice. It was really nice saying how many committee they help each other out. Which way should be looking like right here. An wiccan neighborhood. If my neighbor needs somebody or they need something from me then. I can go and ask them. I don't go out to the landlord saying oh can i. Can i go to my neighbor's house in the now direct contact may. That's that's what. I really appreciate instead of asking me for. Help ask me if i get intervened. The students would solid between themselves which that was really neat. But yeah what do you think about. Have you have you done. Something like this Do you want do such a little ones I honestly really what. I think like any kind of task as you know learning or something like that. We do business with Some of our steam projects I think that's where i could really it just like them solving problems and coming up with ideas. Think even at a young age that you can really introduce that of also wanted to kind of try this with like behavior to. I've seen some teachers who have teams and they're trying to almost. They're trying to beat the other team their behavior. I think any kind of collaboration with that helps them like be a unit as students. So i'm turning incorporate this more In that's kind of that gives me more ideas to try and so I i. I'm sure they'll enjoy it. Do i think any time they get to be with their their peers. In dylan like their ideas really matter is is really special Boring from design saw one baby learned from her so united As you're trying to find out your style needs seeing what works best. I recommend forcing style onto yourself particularly because for example. My co teacher has their own style. And i have my own. But doesn't mean they were for them doesn't mean award for me. And so i really advocate a embracing. Your own style really have any individuality. I know teachers might insert teachers. Am catholic humor misery like that or there's beaches that are really silly are over the top teachers teach like how it is to insert It that way also trial in air. And i'm sure you've had noticed through your program or even now out of all your friends you feel like you're teaching styles totally different from everyone else's luckily i feel like i kind of Mesh with the rest of my team which is kinda nicer. I can really learn from them to incorporate what they're doing just being in kindergarten Its own beast. I can most of my team is pretty much pretty clean loving pretty positive people you know so i think our styles are kind of in that way kind of similar. But that's really worked out well to me especially being a teacher because any support advice ideas that i get from them. You know it's meshing pretty pretty almost exactly with my style too so it's easy to like. Take their ideas in transfer that into my room which obviously need lots and lots of help. So it's been really nice to have such a A team that's kind of like minded. So it's been great and veteran for that is for example when you're absent or maybe you're saying grade level teachers absent. It's nice Particularly for me for example since we discern absent then my co teachers get placed in my classroom. it's nice. We have the same style than students. came in there. I'm teaching of away. That's already familiar to them. So i see that benefit their figure out that would be helpful. But if it's not the night yeah you can be a way to the students. Yeah the last thing. Anyone says is the high tech. Is the low tech approach so for example loan. There's a high-tech utilize a lot of technology to make the content very personalized student. So really target. Those specific interest and skills gives a log into porto on. the corner. has all these questionnaires. Settles all about you so the contents really made for you involves competencies base progression so for example. If i maybe higher than the rest of my classmates i can keep going at. My level can be going at my pace in iraq the way for the rest of the class. They catch up to me. The same thing for those students who are a little behind still working at their own pace for the rest of the class were president level. Those are bubble concede. Keep going and keep learning again based on their own peace based on their own learning on whatever specific target needs. They need And i see a lot of gamification. Were turns his game. Based learning to whatever their avatar a complete these tasks salty's multiplication bombs ourselves with matching or do a quick pattern and their character moves forward but His students mastered these skills then the checkpoints time they get these Massively certain skills down the i've seen examples were in if it's all based on gum game like an entirely digital badges like oh you mastered a additional you mastered blending so have you have you do you. Consider yourself like us acknowledgee. yes actually. This is It's been something to get used to having my own caution because i wasn't Having to be charged against like my district has these apps under a lot of a lot of other districts like we use. I ready alexia already being cra math. And then lexi is like their Literacy and so It's really nice like you were saying for them during intervention or any kind of downtime. End again the kids like it because it's kind of a game gamified so and it goes to their individual level. There's a wide variety of different levels. So they're all working on different skills that they need for that time So have really grown to enjoy it because it gives me a lot of data points to refer back due to because this is something that they're working on every single day they have to meet napoli. Get a certain number of units Needed time and so. It of helps me stay on track. But if they're meeting these goals they're hitting these specific checkpoints ending to mate than they need to make meet as well so it's Really lunka in the. It's nice to see then excited about meeting their goals to because we've got like incentives for them to pass levels You know to meet their time so it gives them something to work for in how like their individual goals while getting targeted intervention. Based all on at like it's all it's kind of crazy how that works. I'm sure you have your program that you used to and it's really it's really cool so only get. It's amazing how all this technology that we have. And i would have handled it if i had this back when i was in elementary kids. Grow up with touchscreens. On the phones and tablets on all this all this stuff but have been. I had that back in my elementary days. But the the other type of technology is the low tech in basically psych all kinesthetic learning and basically as much hands on possible hands on on as possible can cannon so im-implement drawing a roleplaying field trips etc is a lot of whiteboards coins paper folding and the much really as as i can classroom but he had the we have differentiated. Instruction that goes with this. Most commonly used with a special needs students in non english language learners. All this low tech do use low tech or do you use a missile bowls definitely mix of both. That's kinda my happy planes. Like i said we have the high also do Especially cleared inner garden. they're both have their different purposes. I think they are more excited about the high tech and they get excited about meeting those goals like i said they get to work on the ipad. New games but There's something about you know. Disappear simple unix cubes. Any other kind of That you just really. can't you know. put anything there in place of that though They need to touch thing. They need to you learn. They learn that way As well so. I think a blend of both is my happy medium and i think they are They succeed best that way too. I like i like the blend to real world in. I guess we're getting rid of cash. Now and people using credit cards and debit cards. Knocker that before touching their phone like the nfc on the the cash on the register. But like you said there's nothing really beats having that that hands on I long not too long yesterday. The shortage of coins pennies and so to try and cooperate as much hands on and low tech as i can Like you said suppose things that could be. Count the rocks here Linke stretches whatever may be but blend always. It's always a nice middle in the blend. The oh having to relieve how towards the individualize needs of the students off and we we wrap this episode deserve any advice that you give the new teachers or even those thinking about entering the educational field Really like i guess my license. Just don't be afraid to fail This has been statue crazy year in so much changed rain. The melon pandemic in the middle of starting my career in from zoom and change into a different grade level. And you know. And i just think that it's important to remember that. No one is supposed to have it all together and trying new things and learning from others is only make you stronger teacher. Don't get stuck in your ways and every single little bit of improvement. It's gonna transform your teaching just quote not too long ago that if you get like one percent better everything just one percent. We do one thing differently like by the end of the year grains so much. It's insane try to got. Just if i do today for so all gonna pay off over time so i just can't wait to watch law in my own life like you said your doing good. Been an episode you to most important.

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Sergey Kovalev Krushes Anthony YardeAndy Ruiz to Retire Anthony Joshua

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Sergey Kovalev Krushes Anthony YardeAndy Ruiz to Retire Anthony Joshua

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We'll be serving crow and i got a couple of servants to give myself but i i i wanna stop start with something a little outside of boxing big ups and look on a great career hate to see you retired but i i understand that is for health reasons and all those things out there born y'all should be ashamed of yourself ourselves but anthony our man went up to russia and try to defeat the crusher and we'll be short sure how anthony yards tire not not not not not you don't get it up on this <hes> but yeah he went up to russia he <hes> whilst yes to the question cobra extract put on a nice performance against wayne beaming and just show level like those guys who started boxing man they just just an uphill battle with somebody who's been boxing his whole life like extraordinary success. Oh <hes> the level show and that's also stephen fulton with a nice nice nice body shot <hes> t._k._o. Okayo of his opponent abattoir also gotta brennan figueroa. I'll p._b._c. We have show box on friday night with shishkin <hes> stop wearing around eight so a lot of boxes to talk about. What's going on what champ. I mean e._s._p._n. Sports biggest fight of the weekend. That's what i was tuned into. That's what i was paying attention to. <hes> i went back and watched the egon new maccabi fight. We did really good. He did really good. I mean obviously <hes> let's ski papin. <hes> was a former kickboxer on and he didn't have the success of <hes> dealing wi- or big baby miller not just yet anyway derailed thereby <hes> maccabi but it was a good fight maccabi. I liked the way that he fought man. He kept the pressure he kept bringing pain to this guy and he just puts that pace throughout the whole fight and i think really that's ultimately what we gave him the nod just that kickboxer not being being ready for those punches. I mean he was hitting them with up. He's he was staying inside close. Good fight absolutely man. I can't believe man tony bill. You really beat that guy like that and he told me down and that's why as well but a young makhubu. Maccabi had the pressure on pat the whole fight. I really thought it was a lot wider than what the judges indicated because the pressure in the power punches mackerel with landon on opinion with just killing us and the whole fighting you could tell may wade through the feis maeve around that start getting tired started to give a t. maccabi which is coming coming right four four coming along so yeah. I was impressed with him and he just goes to his credit. He's been wrong war. You know what i'm saying just came off site with a kurdish off where where he we stopped them down. There was a crack tune so yeah. <hes> maccabi really really been oppressive <hes> of this year in the division so <hes>. I wonder if <hes> the w._b._z. Tire was going to be on the line when when bredesen durables fight cows maccabi was coming coming up those records and i would love to see one of those guys they kakapo at the world series concludes i mean he has some sort of w._b._z. Interim or intercontinental intercontinental silver silver several maccabi has a w._b._z. Silver title <hes> like a second or third defense of that title so you <hes> he's <hes> he's like kevin smith saying so. I think what the w._b._z.'s plan on doing this next year twenty like you said gonna get the winner of of a was supposedly get the winner of benefit dancing to real or been. It'd be dancing in europe every year them come before kevin smith so maccabi was like in that that same kind of thing yeah man. I'm alan get to what everybody's here for man anthony yard surrogate cova <hes> good fight. I went back and watched that still only gave them two rounds. You know what i mean. I'm going back and watch the game like four <hes> yeah. I mean look two rounds and this is the internet. You know it's q- it's q. I like the stat you know it'll make some good headlines and good water water cooler. Talk <hes> the fact that anthony orlando landing more punches on kovalev than anybody else anyone else that he's faced including andrea war kill it really is. He still only one two grounds <hes> but he did good everything i said yesterday. I don't take it back. I think that you know he did very well and now in retrospect with the numbers coming out you know i know. He thinks he did well. <hes> and i know that he's kicking himself bro. He still watching that round right now now him and his boys they watching that shit like damn breath we had it. We had it you know because he really didn't have around eight man. It was it was it was crazy. I was route informed <hes> but he dan pull it off. Ultimately cobra left stop them late exactly how war thought and and the experience showed up not so much so the inexperienced like the tank but <hes> <hes> the inexperience showed up but to be a guy. There's never mixed it up on level. He did well. I said it yesterday. I feel like he and look. I didn't have fun stats and told you you know what i'm saying like. He did better than most. You know. Most people were knocked out by the ten th you know what i mean and then punt stats came out saying that orlando the most punches on kovalev ever so i mean i i'm glad you you i mean i'm sure you must be kind of taken that as a you know moral victory we right not really no saying like you said it's cute. <hes> it's nice nice that something possibly or you guys can go back and and get a little bit of a emperor from but the truth of the matter is is not what you landed. It was what got you and the whole night <hes> you. You guys know i love f._d._r. He's going to be a world champion one day but just that jab control the whole fight it took you <hes> <hes> it made you a little bit more aggressive because he was getting so much but that job and maybe that's why you bring tank out but at the end the day <hes> goo goo scrap long san. I like buddy. Mcgirt said he surprised him <hes> i was. I was a little bit surprised no santa i i knew the experience copa with show. Just yard could get it done but he showed me they had heart. <hes> has a dog in on thank you got to will do band is working in the gas tank me that gas tank is depth had to be addressed in the next camp or or but next training session. I know you guys were never might be hip called in and said they see at the yards bar. I don't like the narrative rumored that came out by bar on that was trying to get a a or a advantage but guys gotta get in the ring on and you gotta know if you can go to around fifteen round gas bar thirteen rounds and so so they want to prove that but that they had gassing and that's the only thing that that i can look back towards to say that was the biggest downfall was his gasunie yemen. So what sort of mental edge you you'd think thandi believed he was getting by leaking false information to the media like how would kovalev all of a sudden oh shit. He ain't spine. We got y'all. We got like how does that help kovolev like and i'm. I'm not being sarcastic. Honestly i'm trying to see your opinion of over how that could have been some sort of mind game. Honestly i think that he wanted <hes> the cover them take lightly so are putting out like that. Maybe got back to cope with. Maybe he just didn't come into rain or hope. They incoming rain as as focus at he should be but it didn't work <unk>. I don't know what abandoned the bet you get out of that but ben is like monday morning quarterbacking. We look back and say what could have been what what could have been said or what should have been said so at the end of they. I think it's a big big deal of what he said about not smart. I i just think that the public the way the public public reacted to it was in a negative way and i quote i took a big risk for big reward because i'm not a pussy didn't go to plan this time but my mentality stays. The same lies in kent big. Thank you into you for all the love and support anthony yaw yards reaction after his you know lost to sergei kovalev. I think he did well. My i'm not going to dwell on it. He's number eleven on the best ranking system in the world box wreck and you can put them in in that category of a u._k. Bomb or or euro bomb. Tom things like category. Some people in the jets people seem to make that clear when you when you address people in and you've got a hissing noise man what's going on over there in yemen so while you give us dead ed air. I'll go back to what i was saying about him. Being number eleven and <hes> yeah man i mean who should go four four next i mean it was a knockout loss so got ninety days to think about so we see in his due to next year. You know he could go for chad. Rawson chad chad dawson dawson not coming back. Is that a real fight. Bitch wanna take what what first of all chat ain't just coming back. He coming back to slow roll so my game back in june twenty ninth at the foxwoods casino <hes> <hes> right in his area you know he's originally from new haven connecticut <hes> well lab one site in the the past three years so he's yeah yeah yeah no. He's just coming back in and so that's perfect for your former world champ a name you take him. Will you take you take the american over the u._k. And you know you yeah. That's that's a decent name but i think i think dawson is a south pole but that's one name <hes> and you know i tried to give a._j. Tuna i'm not that do that wants to get in there with better. Beaver bill next like now. Let them grow. Let them grow. He got that connection with frank warren and bob arum he he should start looking at the ramirez. Maybe maybe a fight with him in jesse hall so he could get ramirez. Now is highly ranked in that division already for whatever reason he's already ranked up there but you know who else could he joe smith junior right bebe knocked them out right or does new junior southern southern southern barrera blake capra sullivan yesterday you'd like sullivan then yuka southern loss to heart and he's he's like a good good barometer in a sense how how good you are and you go through that. They didn't know decision so if he's able to stop him. Does he think it'd be bibo. Stop them and somebody stops. I don't mind by that. 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Serving limited time offers on select line of vehicles offers end september third mercedes benz the best or the the oh he's been on the right and he's been on. I don't know i think that's it should be well e._s._p._n. Right so you know he's got some <hes>. He's got some sort of cachet to that name. There's really not in there. I mean if you really wanna go to slow route. You take eagle milenko on he's. He's number number twelve. He's he's a common name with with kovolev. You're right and look. They'll probably go for eagle milenko oh quicker than they would. <hes> you know about it or something like that like the u._k. Doesn't mind putting on eastern europeans over so dust alpha sharansky the river seattle promoters. Don't think like that though because like i if you look at zone yesterday i mean flip for some do name heredity and it's like why not find like you said dust off a name that we know how how is any fighter. How how is a anthony yard. Gonna gonna get any sort of popularity residual. You know profile raising by five in late seven forty. Nobody ever heard of them. Nobody seen them fight but he got the. I b o bill. I know he's got an i b. O. bill so i don't know maybe they wanna go. That route joseph between your dope control. Smith junior has a good team. We seem in august sullivan barreiro. Are we seeing them in america's <hes> dmitri vivo he's gonna definitely give jars around and that's what yard i believe that joe smith could be a good fight to now box. Fox wreck has dominic wade ranked in the seventy five. That could be because you know he's not fighting for a title so he's not coming in that way but maybe he made a move calum johnston's a big puncher but he's also matchroom. That probably won't work out tommy karpenko. He upset chad dawson but he don't got that former world champion cachet so you know in one hand it makes sense to fight karpinski. You know he's probably more durable than chad dawson and give us is more answers but on the other hand you might have to do with the name so was the guy that a donald stevenson had to. He's a caucasian fellow. <hes> <hes> fuck me i know i know i know hondris foreign thera yeah. That's a good name to he's a name you as a dynasty reasonably somebody else today. That's notable so you know you gotta give up yard good bounceback but you gotta give them somebody with a gain and somebody doesn't the browns he needs but i bet you end up signing them up with audio beat out to telling you some do not that are normally just the weirdest looking name on that and you know in the top fifty and that's how they do like we never thought fury was gonna fight. What is his name saracho. Some shit pay neta. What was the other one safari like. We never knew. We never thought there was gonna fight them do you you know or the other do scenario. Gosh just be fine in these canes. I'm just keeping a g from out of nowhere. These end up coming up with some canes that be you ready to go and i don't want that for yard man. I want that from your because right now. There's the hate us. You know now usually u._k. Dudes right now the ones i see they call them yard shit with e- so i'm not from the u._k. Then you got the people that ride the roller your because they say we see something. You know what i mean. Then you got people that jumped on the bandwagon when almost seem them knock him out in the eighth you know and those are the ones running around saying oh man look at what he did if he just get a trainer those usually one saying he needed to get rid of his trainer but they still oh ended up being anthony your fan so that's where i'm at. I'm a fan and now that i'm a fan. I don't wanna see them. Go back to the travis reeves of the world because because honestly that's what tommy competency is just another travis read. Maybe a step above you know what i mean. Maybe a step above but he still no different than travis reeves. You know what i mean. Isaac limber is a name but he's he's a tough fight for for your. That's a boxer. You'll need that right. Now you know apollo to we'll need deborah every now. He's all wrong for you but coral morale is another dude. I think he for behalf and maybe cova lab. I could be wrong. I'm not using box right and you got julio. Cesar chavez rumored to be back. You know he fought in mexico. He's at seventy five. Try to steal that from daniel jacobs pickups cam frank warren off more. You know candy make that fight. Can you really because look chavez been rumored to be back and not back because we know he's back but what i mean is rumored to be back on the real scene for a while. Now no one's been able to do it. We heard i he and sergio martinez and we've heard all types of things he in flora reimagined and he and daniel jacobson now if frank is intelligent bro you you do the bucket. Bring it all over there and <hes> bring him to the u._k. What do you think about who is his job. As junior anthony young aw are going to happen over in the states <hes> or your state's vegas or california's on where i i don't think find wines enough to the pool is <hes> junior over there but i think you'll bigger fight again. I think about it like this bro. Chavez junior ain't been hot since when he won the title from sebastian gennady lufkin went to the u._k. And he he got more cash than than chavez he sells out twenty thousand in east and west so like he was a ticket seller so it was like yo. We can't really take him out as market 'cause he's selling twenty. Thousand tickets for american prices is right. Then top is never did twenty thousand like he never did twenty thousand. You know what i mean. He probably came close to it when he fought martinez but i doubt it because at the same same day cannella was fight in the lopez across the street in vegas so i doubt it i mean i think you've got mixed up. I'm doing this. <hes> earl spins good not a good luck. <hes> what's the other guy's name now just about <hes> low machiko shinco. All those guys have something to come in while they're coming to the u._k. Is eddie. How're has ability to the cachet indefens- their love him hate him. Whatever y'all do over you guys still watch his show so i just think that goes like ninety was the reason why he came around. I believe the payday a book which is something that he turned down. I'm not sure frank warren has up to bring jobs as over. I know chocolate is not the level janko or or a karate orioles banks but he's still a big name in boxing yemen. I think that you just under or overlooking the investment some of b._t. Sports b._t.'s all lynn bro. They're all in and to have a legendary name like chavez junior india right. I know it's not junior this legendary but chavez you know who this is. This is gonna bring the eyeballs and is going to bring the stouter and i i don't know i think he could do again. That dude's not even a list of no more bryce. He could probably get that do for like a quarter. Juice is some sunflower seeds komo bradley. He will find in mexico versus who name give me the first letter the first name nobody fucking knows see better go. We'll get them money leaving on the table. He should be happy. People even talking about you should be happy. I even mentioned he should be happy. I'm just keeping g. He ain't done shit in his career like sebastian's v. That's it and i never even met. I'm allowed to google small fucker because who did speak feet be afterwards like what what what is top as big as win. You know he should be happy to be in the ring. I want to give a big shout. Jillian jay williams came out reported in a tweet and if you take anything away from that julian tweet it was he's been there before is being a title title challenger came up short in redeem this up so <hes> big upset doing williams coming out and support of a a lot of people took to social media yesterday absolutely congratulated yard on his performance. Oh oh eddie hearn what he say later just called the full yard highlights great performer with no championship experience almost headed. What a great sport. This is almost ready to go in her masilo. Logging zone links lewis came out beloved. Because of course you're on a big win. Pro still has gas tank yard is an up and coming town hall jay he had high. Your stock is rising and you will bounce back and you're like lou. Lou dibella comes out. It is so <music> clear to me what can never once kovalev hashtag boxing billy. Joe saunders comes out. I step up and fight. Kovalev has <hes> at at disown u._s._a. Four emoji degreen check marks. We get this done. Read the jesse. The eddie eddie her once on my just called the full yard highlights. Just don't worry with jay williams. Epi yard doesn't have anything to be ashamed about. He fought a great fighter in all hang out. That was my first time seeing him and i was impressed. Did you guys djamil. Herons talking about when you realize kovalev still doesn't handle body shots and he put the the emoji of nello smiling. I told you see now air by going jump on my day but it ain't really gonna be they're gonna jump on the media dick and everybody else who's all you know now thinking about the wise coppola overlap but when i say he was gonna do it in three or four i was. I was crazy anisimov ness. He's a cherry. He's cherry. Picking buddy booed now. Look now. I got fucking hand billie joe toma. I'll find i'll why are you ain't call you. See this what i'm saying you you mother fuckers his pussy. I'm just keeping it real. I'm just keeping a real look. I can't handle you know no. I can't beat you. I can't beat you in. The ring is disrespectful respectful to call you a pussy but you sit around here. You let cannella do all the cannella got to fucking phantoms carrying his bulls. The rest of the fucked john's escape and magazine in chat like nestle dig. Ryan canal embodies me while he the one been instead. I want one of these tough guys yesterday. Everybody became tough everybody tough yesterday. You got lightweights. Call now kovolev now. You know what i'm saying. Saddam saddam brazil startling fucking kanalelo. Put a battery in your fucking back. Won't you'll get some hot goddamn self. Do sign your fucking self and then maybe maybe you could get in the ring with cannella. So what you're saying is after the performance yesterday people saying coppola being may be the vulnerable and they want to hype train which cannella what with already exactly brought they were selling your how crazy it was not a scene. Y'all almost not come amount. Everybody won't give him credit out two days ago. He was a bummed at any number four. Nobody he's crazy. Has trainers is crazy. They need this fifa hyphen validation. Everybody psych over there now all of a sign kovolev sweet. He banned me. Now everybody looking chops ooh kovolev. Give me a shot. Get the fuck out here weapon that i got to cover the episode of shows marlboro shows that after a round brush stop lime right now the motherfucking sound by around that do was gone amac. I'm telling you canal. Stop some inside of four you. You get to one through six on a bet just to be safe canelo. Stop some insider four do in third round already holding you on. Y'all ain't never been there before on. This thing. Cobra was spent a ronnie was on the buddy. Mcgirt hurt the fuck out here. He wants to stop it. Coppola can make a network night round new york with probably gas. He was tired out at ship cope with their work in rhonda you looking at it now. Retrospect go back and listen to yourself. He didn't have the yard was supposed to come and live round and finished cova lab too tired exactly so he can. The kovolev ain't do nothing but take the opportunity yard left for him. He did what he was supposed to do. I'm a give him credit for surviving because that's what it is. Survive live survive that young letting ring bright young boy. Let him get out that ring. He let them get out that ring net round. It was not even supposed to survive ever not after that right in that left either. I mean that right in that left. That's it was crazy. He almost took over leatherhead off his neck but bras is is that tank man when you've never been there. You never been there and i know i know people. Probably hey and i mash the <music> yo-you right. I ain't never been twelve around. That's why you gotta go before you start trying to go work at least in fucking sparring go twelve but whatever wait for that for the glance <unk> kobe versus can no. I'm asking you a question. Do you think ineligible dispatch over naturally bigger than let's consideration got a natural once. He started at one forty seven. That's a ten million-dollar in dollar accolade. He paying ten million for that mall fucking strat. He wanted to make history now. We got a mexican heavyweight. We got now. Now is the chance to use reliable energy to grow your money with the dominion energy reliability investment. Our new investment product offers competitive returns komo maintenance fees and flexible online access to your money. Make the reliable investment in reliable energy. The dominion energy reliability investment meant to find out more go online to reliability investment dot com. That's reliability investment. Dot com got plans plans for labor day weekend. Do they include saving money because labor day savings at the home depot means up to forty percents off appliance special buys get a quiet running whirlpool dishwasher sure that census how dirty your dishes are adapts. Its cleaning cycle. It's just three hundred seventy eight dollars so you'll save. Two hundred bucks sounds like a plan c. y. With labor day savings today's day doing the home depot more doing u._s. Only while supplies last details about september eleventh they have only one and mexican and moved up this many divisions bri- that's man. That's if you see that shit. I'm done fucking with you on this picking shit in terms of gambling. If you see canal about the he beat the breaks of this dude. I'm talking the grates cove look all yesterday. He looked in his face looked all right and he might have fought well. People can do a lot of jesuit. Did we landed a fuck loaded them too but bright he will not last cannella he will not and it's funny. It's funny people think i'm biased yellow but ain't even my do but look he don't win out here putting it on people hearing do none of that hands down bullshit none of that lateral movement. He goes slip that giant. It's going to be but it's going to be too easy easy. He goes slip that bum ass. Kogel jibe left hook to the body. I cannot wait for that fight. I want a canal is able to take power if he catches in december like he's got no more power man. Anyone got no more power. Y'all was in taking all that. I don't i don't listen. That wasn't a knockout to me. Even sunday said it menace exhaustion. That's exhort wasn't a knockout. I was a jabra. He just was done he was spent. I seen it before when mike jones. He spent his load karaz in the ring. You think you're gonna knock somebody out. You go for gusto. Oh and you left it. There and that's okay that's okay. The issue is he ain't jones here. He wasn't the ayso. He don't got a rematch clause so he can't do it again but he spent this low man. He could again fuck with sunday but he didn't say nothing. He say now he could've told your yard aww man y'all you heard him in last round coming behind the jab double up the jabbed issue the right. Don't go in again which a left hand. Damn put in your face out so he can hit with uppercut acting like you the man no. We've got the small fucking hurt now. Let's do this shit rubbing. His jazz is this motherfucker was robin his chess gentleman off me. He like what bra now you're doing too hard. Fuck as you rub in my chest for anyway anyway. Tell me some. I show me where another more for an i look. I'm not doing it to hate on sunday but show me another great chain of rubbing in chess is when you fucking your man by the go down shit going under you rub in chess naked get in his ear lies in the can whispers something. If you ain't got no motherfucking you like scale to give them nope technique no secret to say at least at some motivation. You just rubbing chances man. I'm done fucking. Done is a learning experience for both guys. I want to be a little bit better in a corner <hes> coming up in your next thing. You have to be a little bit more vocal. Do agree with that but i i've seen trainers the check out not when they endanger you went you rubbing a dude chess when he winning you like yeah we got this chant not when uh-huh bre is the eighth round you know he was fighting for a knockout. We gotta go for you. Know start pulling. That left pan up because we can't afford for you. Keep taking jaji swelling up like it was a lot so much could have been said. Come on man by like if anybody wants say i'm going to hard. They just fucking dick ryan. You know they'd being sentimental. This was my man's championship fight. He needed some direction and then he almost did did it without direction and you still don't step in and that night when you were supposed to that's when you're supposed to give them some sort of game plan and it was simple double jab right-hand not lead left hook. When was he at least tell him that like yo. Let's stop doing le- level. Let's let's just stop for a little while because he's expecting to now. He's anticipating. You've been doing for fucking eight rounds. Lee lee lee lap up. What fuck was jabber. He did like five stabbed jabs to the body again. He going to watch this shit and is gonna fucking haunt. Him is going to haunt him because his tank let them down and he had that do <music> out there out of the in the eighth. That's two things every time you watch the a._p. Going going to be doing shadow punches. Dan breath look gosh damn pressure to hit him right did then he wants the next like damn i was is i'll fuck run and you thought this liyel in lyon and instead of telling me i'm lying. I need to be running laps. I need to be doing rounds but whatever we'll be back. They'll get another shot right. Everybody everybody came in. They were buddy mcgirt went in. They say you're gonna be champ again. Kovolev say yo you great chance so you know let's wait on that on the next opportunity opportunity. Let's just hope that when you get opportunity he ready. Let's hope he ready. Let's hope that you know he can keep that lee hannah this hope that you know. He's gonna move a little bit more to that man. I showed the role that shit fucked them up but he took so many jobs so many jazz just chipped chipped away at him chipped away at them. You know eventually the swelling everything all affects the judges they see you all beat up like that and if you notice in a row with when when he kind of went to that high guard he had a lot more of a success when he checked his guard up say wasn't really doing it showed rolling around but he went back to it. I don't know why but we got a check from a cabin my fit yard. So what do you think i should do about his job. Tunde account. It was pretty funny. <hes> we've got one from a skillet s-curves. If your power and the eight he might have had enough to stop co eleven in the night experienced from spark could have helped in. I'm not in not to empty his. I i agree. I agree even ask the sad part man. Look you say yo you don't believe he doing it for mind games but regardless because the fight didn't go the way they expected that little piece of evidence he or room of the league is now an indictment on his performance. Now everybody's calling in pointing the finger at that's why so now they're going to do an interview like i just said that too many spas so then it was going to be excused used in when we when we start believing that he does spa so he might as well leave it alone might as well just leave it like that where he offered his fight and he going going to start moving forward right. I mean but speaking of moving forward man. Let's move forward. I mean he fought a good fight to you can hear my life. I i mean i was into it. I was rooting for him. I was like oh my guy. He really gonna do it. I mean i would that's all i can repeat. He really going to do it. That abraham was it. It was magical because he made me believe you know what i'm saying. At that moment i was like oh he was making me into a believable right before my eyes so you know it was it was great but ultimately he only won two rounds on the scorecards in my opinion. Come back billing get ready for the next so like saying. I still struggle support your allows them to find you in. My opinion got to get a little better in the gym. That's all y'all so. I'm gonna look like a total douchebag but like that's it that that was the highlight of my boxing weekend i. I watched nothing. Else will allow median now me all all i did was see instagram clip cities p._b._c. fighters fighting fucking save off is monica straight onions bre. 'cause they so wack. They make you cry. You know what i'm saying. Fucking garbage is what they put on and then the design call like come on man. I wasn't watching no fuck okay. I see somebody in charge on my own. I wanna see beaming again mega go. He can't go rent any given sunday bryan. Nobody got time for that. Shit you wanna. I wanna see the pacheco stops jose aspira in. I believe the first round <hes> now that i do want to get to annex speedo around k._o. Oscar soto soto came out first rounds box shit a x._p. No i i thought he was going to get the victory was using his jab users. Use his is moving. Dan robert garcia process to spin though in their round pick it up and boy. Oh boy did he pick it up. He was walking his man down using his job to get in and he <hes> a win. Soto bounced off the ropes in that up there around call them with a nice ciccone that put his ass down. He was out for the council. Council has thanks to work on getting touched a lot but <hes> great great bounceback kind of performance but in the fight against up out of their shock aram got gov stops dolly parades forty-one seconds auto <hes>. Donald careers is a former champion right. Hell no regular you count regulars okay well. He does the real with a nice hook. Put his ass down. That was all all all she wrote <hes>. I really don't know most say about shock around my d._c. Much before this fight and only mcgaugh forty-one seconds to v._m. Other sites so <hes> it is what it is. Leeann stops mario roberto lozano asana was having some he says on <unk> early next. I'm tom but he was catching. Touch was all kinda shit. I would just like them. Liam liam bid down on his guard and the star working caught. 'em nice body shot came up with a left hook. Body shot really kinda. Everything away from <hes> gosling asmi berthel zano so milkman is one of those fighters mandate is like he is he. He's not great enough to be at the top. Evenly was a world champion austin nello lobster hami mcgee but the guy that that that he's supposed to get rid of in the rain he only only does so get a good look being i mean with that with that stoppage funny that everybody got early stoppages. He's like i said right thursday i question how could zone afford to give all these dudes tune-ups like this <hes> <hes> but only only a man liam smith wins seven air by dusted air by all humanely and seven garwin what the distance man but you know that has come out with johnny car- got three knock goes. I we feel the pot grow. Big stops manual had read very very many other overcame pretty game but is just it's just a level gap italian bread like it's this is levels to to boxing game. <hes> for the puck roll <unk> nearing start touching with big power shots called him behind the ear one-time. He's complaining about about it. Being like a body shot phil that star touches and touch had him knocked him down when he got back up his legs but is not there she started to going on out there and stop the fight so oh the cups of philip are grown for doing what he say he was going to make some fireworks and then you really really put on a performance. I guess a guy was in over here though yeah man. I think i'm pretty sure i said that. Thursday wasn't expert phillip. I mean look man i would. I would have been going the whole anthony yard right now. Giving you a bunch of names but i mean after seeing <hes> get placed placed on his resume like this is i was second fight with his own given greg corbin for signing and now this like cohen was okay but cohen was coming off a loss. He lost the charles martin. I write or kornacki some. I beat the cube. Guys kept getting john martin and the nets. It's either already given heredia do the day new radio could beat. They watch them and then i this name has got used. He's vulnerable vulnerable. Let's get him. You know. I'm saying heredia but i mean hargrove accessory so then he fights corbin which was a gimme. They set him up they. They knew he was gonna win. We all knew that shit based off the charles martin fight and instead of at least a saas that you know what i'm saying like the dude already got may already got amendments saunas recommend tom little and names like it. Don't make no sense for fuss to see a mexican that ain't even heavyweight how many how many how many and <hes> subways he had in his stomach. I told you i ain't watching did he. Look overweight didn't look in the best shape but i think the reason why eddie armpit all those kinda got them car was to bring in some more things to the news more michigan garth put on on the car down in mexico the more than you could probably bring into the events. I can't really blame them for doing that but i do feel like what you said like you. Finding a mere mansour fighting kevin johnson he's fighting great records like this is not the direction that you want to see philip going. It's just a waste of fight and and again it's like i can't wait to anybody against like yo. What are you you would like. What's the thought process behind heredia fight influ like how how could you afford to give flip this bullshit fight you you might as well just give them that. Check in with them staying jim it don't make no sense this fight you get better a better fight out of a spa match but whatever override onto extra in beaming the main event would defy that should be magnon so you're saying he was game. He was ready to fight. He was all of that but as just a gap in like the experience no saying being started boxing me was like twenty six years old. He's thirty for now so he doesn't even have extracted was just picking them off. Nanny caught in that second round. Knock down twice of the ten seven mile economy of flushed out <hes> behind even though it was buying the here beaming over exerted himself in a in a pullback caught up with a nice right hooked atlanta bounded but the refs canada a knockdown and then the same right. I got down. There will be trying. 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Participation may vary cannot be combined with any other offer or combo meal china's hardest. He was making it a a a a tough gritty five. He was it was he was gaber. Like premium was fucking gain. I i didn't think that he was gonna come in and night and and be so such a the monster that he was talking during a fight he was yellow. Anatomy was doing all kinds of shit but he just wasn't having the success that estrada with emi. Thank god he's just picking them. All they have been about eight to nine round looking into close so oh aw mcginn 'cause. He really came out to fight. He was really gained but <hes> i wanna see external vice world. Champion is going to go ahead and unify ability. He's able to <hes> you see that one fifteen or one eighteen he had one fifteen. This division trash body was what's the guy that just beat <hes> fucking rushing worn on on the <hes> bronner. We won't go rhino. Baiano beat russia born on the bronner in a few cars. Wasn't that like <hes> eastern. European do wiley ali abu okay. I won't mind signify between him over while extra thanks good bye. He had a couple of good fights with a chuckle tito. Goo goo fight with saw romney side so i wouldn't mind seeing if i think it'd be a a cracker fighting. This is trying to really impressed me last night about dealing with the aggression how we did dealt with it. The issue for me is that division ain't popping enough man like none of them names a they not making no noise they not on the richter scale like this is nothing. There's nothing in there sexy. There's no devante like i don't wanna hear about khalid yaffa. I don't care by no denying dining yet. I mean i don't i don't know i know there's all the way class i think i just watched karl on on a design fi. My man went twelve with tuna. I'm good brad like i'm good man. Eh design giving these dues money for tunas like they ain't got no bra bruce trample over there to tell them berlow eddie's matching his dues in straight. One way fights new pan out the wazoo fourth. I'm good man. I'm good this dude. He got zero power. You know you've got fifteen knockouts because they file amount whoever he knocked out but again. If you tell me tomorrow you'll estrada and your fire or unifying. I'm i'm not gonna be as excited as i was for hooker. <hes> you know <hes> ramirez or farmer devante. I'm just not in these dudes. I don't do the same for me for me but i i know there's a lot of people enjoy these lower divisions and they get they get very emotional snow about it like i'm probably getting called all types of names because i don't fuck with this division. I'm a fake boxing fan. I'm a casual the lighter weights are the best ways they thousand punches. They'd get not down. Get up. It'd be wars. Man shut show asa fuck out him that bullshit mindful okay fine. I don't wanna see that shit and that's why we we like them big boys. They sleep u._s. A year ago i was impressed with his performance last night but we can move on to the abc carter brennan figueroa trash man he beat the fuck outta heavier <hes> dot com. I don't even jacome was sixty sixty. He was an address room flabby fuck. I mean this guy from van bird. This was like how how are they able to do this. How are they able to pay this kid to be on a main event for fake bell to beat up. Somebody's grandfather like how is this helping poor. How is this helping that contract with fox. How was this hoping to p._b._c. fighters. I i don't even get it. I don't even get our swear. I don't understand i need. I want to be part of these committees man. I just wanna hear. I just wanna hear how these things make sense. This was a wasted weekend outside of your wasted weekend. These same these same as they coulda did better they did better eta shit is wack went caught away got look even though <hes> fights. My honest end is learning and that's what i'm saying. What are they learning. Where is it what's leading to like. What's it leading to what is already a mean. Where does flip go from burnett like what did heredia do first career what did willie beamon what the fuck did willie beamon duane mann any any given sunday gun plays optional fuck out here willy beaming throwing up man would he do you you telling the world willie beamon certify at twenty twenty nine. How does that help one cisco estrada. How does that help you. How how does your story get any big. He's fuckers needs to start firing these promoters. They need the be like ryan. What the fuck am i doing. What's the plan what does go in just fight for gonna fight no burto whoever's of the world for how long these deals are crazy. This is crazy deals making no says ways. I'm done wasting martin. I'm serious. I'm done wasting my weekend. I wanted to see beaming in action. I want to see my my you. Gotta be the honest with yourself and you had an emotional tale personal a personal relationship. That's different. I'll be wanna see personal relationship shit fighters to but outside of that. I'm done giving these mother fuckers my weekend for this no up listen. I was the first one beating the drum for philip. I swan that was me. I know by talking about her growth. That was me then. He signed a zone now by on his day and this what we get. I've been dying to see him and this what i gotta see. No eh rather go back to watching streams. Watch them fight amendment soil. You get me like why am i begging for you to fight assan fighters only to put him in backwards fights. You should let them went with the sutherland's. They was getting them better fights. That's just the plain truth you you know better. Five kevin johnson shorts way better than tom little bra corbyn in the little a little more known than her area had area. That was a waste of tom and that was one fight. If people think i'm going to think think about it that way that was one fight on a three fight deal. You just gave up a bullshit fight so now what happens to us now. We can't get a joseph park derek because one fight is gone. One slot is going and is somebody might come back. He's got five so fuck it. It was firefighters and one is gone and we don't know how many more than four left are going to be more heredia type. We need to stop accepting his garbage. Pitch like i hope people into purposely and soon purposely purposely because the way eddie talking. He likes the platform form because he could tell exactly who do what that's what he said. In my interview we could sell who do what my fucking will guess what. I know you were talking about. Fighters is in the feisty come on but now you're gonna tell what i did and i didn't tune the fucking. I'm gonna be that one household the tune in because that's trash but it wasn't anything anything thing to fuck that garbage to brandon heartbreak kid. The guy was was nice to rain musical bliss which i don't even know how to build a fight man. He won't even and talknet setback on his steps. I repeat what he thought. He had a little more than that brought. You got a good performance though i still bra you my session last week but using you fall in in love with these fuck that performance is more than just don't get it is more than just fighting in the ring. You gotta be in in the tena. How you going to get up de ed. She's yo what was in k. k. because that might be braca hardy. Oh that was hardy is my bad so jordan. Auden was basically lobbing the ball to both of them brandon. So what do you think about a fight with cool boy and he's like yeah yeah. You know i'll work hard. Jordan's like that's not what nobody came here they his his fans was boone steph. He didn't even say in but you know i find. Whoever who do you gotta cry. You ain't even playing for them. They here for you. Say say something you no. It sells like we've been watching it. So you know yard just got everywhere. He got by saying lonzo ken. He said it long enough to people start lot repeating it like i don't get the blue chris's day. I swear to god. I get mad so much because i feel like it's so easy. It's so easy. I don't get why they make us so hard. Because the people that followed a blueprint they get there quickly quickly and easily brenna figueroa go in there and beat the shit out of chicago. I did did his thing grandfather. Step to winning <unk> is ago adler out there six around with a body shot that just put him down. He could not get back up from so because it's been floating in another another. Nobody another nobody title also nobody would all fights in mexico i we i. I woke up and that was going on. Was he. An undefeated. Nobody not have we ever seen him in all his fights in mexico and that's what i'm saying like i get them though the problem is. It's not ten years ago no more. It's not say two years ago no more so i get upset and if you're not gonna get upset i'm gonna get upset for you because you calling me stupid my that's what you telling me but china on a portfolio ring with this fake undefeated. Do you calling me stupid. You think i'm a sheep. I'm dumb enough that i'm full for the fact that he fought undefeated. Do you know it's like oh man and now for fallen bra against him. You know none against him but you heard him. The last time we had but uh-huh i'm known anyone for eight undefeated fighting number nine now number nine. Now you know you get false sense of confidence because who the fuck isaac al male what who is that and what is he done and who is he for and why is he there oh my solas because he's mexican despite was in mexico and any some mexican residents to be in a stance brian. I'm like we're not dumb anymore. We got the internet now. We need to stop letting these promoters fool us like eddie should have been standing standing or whoever this was should have been standing in that arena alone with just a small fucking fox workers and whatever p._b._c. workers everybody looking at each other like why there's no one in the stands the moment stupid stupid we stupid we want to support regardless awesome who you fight in so that you could just keep taking advantage of because if brand new and main event with sixty year old chocolate gong how many more main event you think he getting before you get the fight that we have the main vapors arizona lower in remote aboriginal aborigine speaking. We were from the one to give it to you brian. That's supposed to be a opener opener like i respect is landry laura so understand that like he deserves to be on t._v. Even if his rebuilding but that is a opener that is a show tom extreme or showtime livestream on you to that's not open on a tripleheader. That's not a coal may and that's not a mother fucking main event but laura augustine my girlfriend pictures. There's no other excuse this do castellino as a main event now getting ramon moan alvarez who just got knocked out by brandon reels who do who brand reels was a natural hundred and thirty pounds. Oh okay we talk do moving up man. I'm done i'm done. I'm laura humberto soto disrespectful man. I'm telling you they don't respect us. They don't respect us and right now when is so much boxing so many at so much shit we gotta pay. We should not be taken taken it. I'm telling you now. I understand why you pay monthly. You need to cut these mall focus off every now and then and let them bleed because you only going to hurt them when they pocket you can't you can't hurt him by in comments and talking shit. You gotta hurt dominate pocket by stop. Subscribing cancel is garbage straight garbage abbots from the one to give it to you. 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Only while supplies last for details about september eleventh citing bums does nothing to advance the culture science internationally coa nephew found. You find allow out in the d._r. How i got the connect out there champ when you get there. Let me know they deliver hooked up plenty of people out there young man i don't i can agree and disagree. Fighting bombs doesn't the mood boxing culture four but on the road to like being a champion you go ask them. Some names. Resume aren't going to be the most friendly to to the the public eye coming from him but gotta look at the other side of the my gain and a look at my c._d.'s. He's the type of names on earl resume no right because a fighter tells the people that worked for him what he wants to do same way cannella telling people where he wanted to same way earl tell people where he wanted to. Do you suppose to tell them what you wanna do shukor stevens. I got twelve five but the title shot because he told people where he wants to do from the beginning. It ain't matter the james prince at a matter of the war. It ain't the fucking bob arum saying no and it didn't matter what tim bradley was saying on t._v. We got the week he driving the car. All these markets could draw but let me tell you my. I probably wouldn't be talking all this shit if i was the one getting who the flip philip fight was his his first name because i i just know marco mario. Mario probably won't be mad if it was me phi mario for zone check i mean why would a. I'm gonna make a short night. I'm wary about and me and my girl going on vacation as the minute the minute. I'm not this little stiffy your i'm out. I'm on vacation. We gone matter of fact. We stay and we're mexico. We stand to fight. I don't care it. It all depends what the fighter one out of his career. You know you've got the moma channels of the world. Did they start your day care dog. I'm not signing to you. If you give me a title shot in to face i really wanted to one but understanding. Sanctioning bodies won't give me that you wanna. Samih babo does on my conditions okay and i will meet those conditions. That's who bob did. That's how it works like. People can says he got it now. Bra promoters go all the way to the olympic games the watch you because they need you look look if i if i must choose smarter than that man fuck you me who the fuck is. Oh com accomplish. It was a mandatory. You can't ever put mandatory in the conversation that we have in brea. You'll see earl picking and choosing a final fucking compost. He got phytochemicals not the distributor same way ahead of fight and the list goes on and on a mandatory you show me earl go by some bummer snigger like fucking marco harare dot ed brother. Should they happen. Nobody them the they're not taking check now. Danny took a check this out check vessel catch it early asi earl taking no checks he taking them royal chesapeake vietnam real fights we got from you know who's going to the spins i porter in l._a. Danny got one from the osa but nestor. Mr will watch devante. Davis versus wants me to no hell no you a._c. Me happy about that. Who was that do i ain't even do. Did we even do life. I chat no mike wanted to. I'll be having tom for them. Do those on instagram replays. That's what i do. I go out with my kids. My family and we fucking watch that shit on instagram buddy got time for them. Fights move right along so box. The next generation friday night vattimo shishkin stops the andre where around eight the andrea where he was not really there that <hes> the night fee. They look so shifting with his chopping down laura car bad. I'm telling you man. I'm sorry i know you want to get to that show by but we need to talk about that other one. You mentioned ramon now. They're giving us quilting and google's main event with tom too because i thought that was going to be this this weekend. They put in that shit on some thomas name me. I'm telling you this is what i'm saying and again. How is that benefiting p._b._c. We see when there's so much competition. How like on that day. What is that the twenty first or september when the twenty eight. I'm gonna get your news google coiling and see because i'm pretty sure there's gonna be some competing 'cause like how is calling in gulag will make us pick him mm-hmm over. What i'm asking is on the twenty first cars. The aerospace at puerto is on the twenty eight <hes>. Let's just stops. The underwear. I shudder han stops audio ramirez like three or four rounds. The ramirez guy was let's talk but he just was in over there. Shepherd saw was was using range much better than anything in the fox fight. <hes> a really really put put a nice form but again this guy wasn't the level of mikhail fox we seen what mccown fox could do to them even though it is not the elite of the elite but he had a consign against jobs so <hes> <hes> i guess what again on show box sometime assume girondins retire franklin miami now <hes> really was a fight that i didn't see but they showed up the highlights of and ends with just proved to be way too much for the guy the guy that come back off his stool. The first round so news of victory and brandon league <hes> become comer prospect stops francisco madeo in three or four rounds brandon lee. I didn't know about him around with was telling me about him so i'm more invested a._m. Now i want to see him back nephew or some shit like that brandon lee eddie murphy enough. You really yeah yeah my i i. I don't know i don't understand what it is what it is but that's the end of the show boxer <hes> so on the twenty-first there is competition so they got that off. They only september twenty first faisal so far also are they are okay. I was going to be like i know minnesota happening. In south africa versus steph safari as is a cruiserweight there you go tyson demand dry. You beat them so bad. He dropped down yeah right right right so <hes> what's next. My andy reid comes out on twitter. It's as june first in made history becoming some of the first mexican american heavyweight champion of the world. I'm looking forward to ending his career in the desert. Damn almost ganesha. I seen that party. Let me let me go to he said i gotta pull it up maestro. Uh i have pulled us so i don't even want to you know i i remember it but i don't wanna fuck it up right now as long as twitter right sir but is delivered my will you at at yeah. Wow those big words though retiring at the judge. This fight has got a little bit boring. I told you that he's he's only telling you what i told you not to say that i believe is going to happen but again brought the man to get one hundred mil for this fight like oh like he out. What do you need to be around for. He i mean look obviously he proved a lot of us wrong by taking the meteoroid so he might not be out but there's a huge sh huge possibility that he will be out if he loses by knockout again so he said in west lager on this book selma. He got no in saudi. I i liked it as oh backwards in spanish so this means i would show the how big mexican boxing is in saudi arabia anthony joshua <hes> <hes> sister came out on every posted that year. He says she fears for us into now. So she story lab lynch she put pressure on her brother and her brother proved he can't fuck with the pressure so now he got a little sis out. They like damn system post that now now. I gotta beat them for show <hes> oh i can't wait man. I can't wait. That's yup. That's what i was telling. Eddie brian like you know this the best thing that ever happened. He liked no mate. I love a._j. I'm like i don't doubt that you love him but you no. This was magnificent for you magnificent first of all very hard for you to get wild to saudi arabia. I'm i'm not saying he wouldn't go because i mean if they throwing out airplanes the money like that who knows but very horse like the fact that this happened when andy the and all so now by the time you get to the wild fury saudi arabia throwing you parachutes money you know that was just dropping off at the big house as long so all this got to do is be successful now and maybe we'll see more big big fights because they have the ddo story one in like accounting a year. The box series they won last year. Mccown came back and did here's the deal now. We got a joshua so yeah but i just feel like those were nothing on the scale data in move the needle they we were not in the same location and is just joshua. Bro is global attention so i'm hoping that they capitalize and for andy. Oh oh so someone said fighting on your terms giving giving it large about the contract lawyers in the common section yet. You've done exactly what they said. You would have done. We knew oh you would andy came back and said there's levels to this because you know you know. He say contract lawyers in the comments. No no i i remember that but <hes> look man is is on. I'm glad that they're scared that we ed on friday wasn't truly saying we got a little. The lawsuit filed last week. They say israel. I'm gonna i can't wait to eggs. Eddie was they say eddie filed and then dropped it once they agreed to listen. That's what you need to do because like i told you if eddie filed for lawsuit that should takes time so the best thing you can do news drop it is immediately you know. I'm just glad everything worked out. I couldn't afford that. We won't but we know that man. You and i said that from day one it was always about money and eddie always had to make a right. It was a matter of how much willing to budge. That's just the bottom line hayman and his team. We're going to be you know probably pushing for a number and eddie had a budget you know he wanted to keep you in a in a number because they're handy for money. I'm like i said he would yeah. Oh ooh my setup told you they was settled. Shut up bunch of dummies. I'm moving on to the news and notes the weekend. Carlos tacking says he's ready in willing to welcome to the division so hopefully i know it came out that the fight with the guy that we know matter of fact let me report on that 'cause you missing mississippi usa came out and said i'm not fighting andrei fetisov xactly because he's rushing and <music>. I'm ukrainian and the media is going to make. I didn't even know they had beef russians and ukrainian. I thought it was boys ownership with like the soviet union <hes> so yeah man. It looks like carlos. Tack them back on on so you want to eat some crow. You wanna say like oh i mean i guess he got that old. You know what i'm saying what i'll sonnen to promote it and get a better fucking deal dot did they got a better deal. Oh man are you playing. No let me let me take you to the means all the funding salaam. I'm sure that based on what we read off the articles right his quotes were. I'm a paraphrase ought to go. Find it yourself on boxing dot com so basically he's like yo. You know i ain't gonna be obese off of you know what i'm saying like they looking out for them. They looking looking out for me so more member we argued about that and you and i told you he and besides the guardia and guess what if you talk <hes> and now you being offered the same face same this situation is it's no different endeavor to zorro like he did the same thing life think about how much money he got right. 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It's just three hundred seventy eight dollars awesome so you'll save two hundred bucks sounds like a plan c. y. With labor day savings today is the day for doing the home depot more sick more doing you only whilst buys lasting store for details about september eleventh okay so then he got three times that amount maybe what was the rumor mill side so i like that i think four or five okay so don't tell me representation. Don't mean shit guardia going to get that money because he get a split going in and get that money and guess what else tackle noodle awful he knew to offer and that's why signed the jodi guardia so he's also going to see that that new offer but that don't mean the eddie's gonna give them to fight. I mean eddie. He could respect six wishes about not wanting to fight a russian right now and go find someone totally different but the reports indicate attack comes back on a fucking table so again. Nobody nobody you gotta be in control of your career. That's all boils down to this. We see andy just do it. We seen tack him due to different levels so people can say nah and that's but that's that's financially. I will hit goes call stack them on a lower level where mike say he abi side and he he should be happy and all that shit he d show. Oh mike i ain't got to be happy with nothing. We got a team now as good for him man good family and taking all on being bosseaux as you know no. They're put him to sleep. Two birds craze and we were sitting here thinking eddie. I gotta talk about that. We were saying thing eddie taking care of he's. Do we get anybody. Recycling fucking carlos was not happy with them checks but what is on dockage champ. <hes> james kirk the first round k._o. And his return at hiatus deontay wilder opened up a restaurant over in the u._k. I was kind of <hes> news me. He opened up a mr tease without that have no idea idea but they start pizza and burgers look at what was the first round i was in with him. He's opened up. A non does right a chain chain. Do it needs to be changed on you. Go into business like yo. We're going to be a chain you expand when you have the opportunity to like a fucking popular american boxer. That's looking for an investment in the united kingdom. I mean i'm only being funny. Though that he really truly has no connection to non does outside of the incident but i mean i don't know it would have been a funny any spin spin on that incident right imagine him in him and billy joe cutting a ribbon on a on a restaurant vinnie join. My new britain's partners billy like this past scissors and the ribbons shit that she will be packed. The first day go topsy said nine does is chain. You're fucking yanks. He ain't say yanks. He's but i just read that where they're always calling those yanks. You know what let me tell. You take that yang shit like you calling me a bitch if y so fuck up like americanism is definitely not patriotism americans the what they're doing it basically what you got out the night chant oh man never red tape versus one mcgill l. order added to the free car rob brandt which was surprising rob brennan says he has a rematch clause at the rumors of murata and horn surface. I'm i i got the zone on right now right. She's just got this device plan in the background from yesterday and and you know what i'm seeing schedule join honeymoon gears fighting patrick a totally and the conversation just fleiss's right back to my head like how are they doing nat like how are they doing that. Who is that do patrick. How could they have not found one notable ubuntu hundred and fifty four pounder that their shore hymie can be because that's what it's all about mike. It's all about that. We don't want him to lose. We need that bell. It's an investment investment. This is a business. I get it but i mean fuck man so to lose six pounds right. Bring bring game down from sixty to fifty four. He's old already. He's got a name plus the bringing him back down backwards and wait might fuck him up and you got a guarantee win but who is patrick survey some like these dudes that zone don't know nothing about boxing. They just letting do spend all their money because everybody had these complaints for p._b._c. These one sided fight. I don't understand why i'm the only one saying anything like who is totally all right. I guess you don't know just. I'm just trying to ask man i. I don't know honestly like seven former got rich and i don't know nobody for joan car. That's the only name i remember this probably because i covered the fight. You covered the fight so i remember but yeah. He fought the god that a general cordray do they last again. Do the nobody ovaca pronounce his name francois some shit but yeah rob brent brent insists that he has a rematch clause morada so i if these gonna excited we'll see empty. Joshua says water slash fury froze oldest out he does not want to hear about watering fury until they are free to fight him strew. Yes while the gotta who fucking walking schedule that i still warm the fucking get rid of. I'm not scared of you. Nice listening until you brian you like a got ortiz nonsense scheduled for later this year if fury of life for <hes> february saying but it it there's opportunity that that arises where i can possibly come undisputed champion. That's right man as fucking right and maybe he should <hes> i. I'm tired you. He need to listen to me on this. One man fuck fury listen when he got down with fury to freeze out a._j. He could do that again. He could do that again. The enemy of my enemy me is my friend. Sit down with eddie. Make that to fight delay a._j. Or it could be released res wins right. Oh you know but <hes> yeah man you got to go that route bro like come on you by the hand and feed you but i just don't sit well with me you yeah no they don't sit well with me and we seen them type of dude on the block and shit you know they need and then all of a sudden they on and you are beefing. No no no no no no not that not that they just don't know yeah. It's like nah now. We beefing them. What did yeah we all censorship. Actually a little bit about you want to sit on the corny ass fucking suits man. I wish i was wild. I be smacking to sit out. All these dummies man clown suits smack got a lenient soup. You better get a hold onto. Let's do that. Let's get a belt veto malecki. He added to the nine twenty show bikes car. He pushed off that <hes> the age restriction in l._a. L._a. right it's l._a._x. He has a boxing license. In new jersey's. The youngest pro licensed boxer in new jersey right something like that was was there little headline or the youngest sign pro box out or something like that he's good. He's good like i hear a lot of good things. <hes> <hes> you know through the gyms from adam becca stan amateur standout size it didn't signs with <hes> lebel so he's going to be on the brooklyn boxing <hes> broadway card so let me tell you signed eastern. European foods have taken over yes. It's like every promote at least got a dozen of them a dozen at lease donald trump actually if you look at the light heavyweight division all the bills are held by a eastern european all kapita against each other in the amateur damages to so. That's a strong stable right there right there. Yoga has three of them dudes. It'd be a coalition gotcha. People people like to remain events but he's on his own so he can easily then he got then then he got the shit. Face changed then got <hes>. He got a gilbert though that's i would. He trying to do see he. He can't offer kovolev ten figures. That's the issue and he called for kovolev. Tim figgers googlers he would've offered it forgo burto. The problem is birth does not cannella but that's what i'm saying right did y'all keep believing that ah baba's this great promoter but all the great fighters like legitimately great fighters left him left him and he's been having roberto four longtemps and oscar valdez for a long time they know how so names they mexican according to the boxing fan it's easier if you mexican am i right or am i wrong eight eight the the line. Everybody wanna kick oh he mexican. That's why he sell tickets. Only mexican s. y. Sell pay per views so was wrong without desmond burto because they being simmered they liked slow cooking slow cooking. Im tanya john. You're taking long for them to bubble. I don't know what's up but if the money was there if he had if he can sell the tickets gilbert oh we'll get that shot shot with kovolev in a heartbeat man and let me tell you i'll be honest with you. I really want that canelo kovalev fight because it will lead to the gilbert. Oh can nullify and i think canelo take <hes> you know. Bertha's gonna be highly ranked w._b._o. With like a matter of seconds you know it'll take like another half a fight. I let me just check where he's at while. I'm talking but i'm pretty sure he'll be ranked. Thank then <hes> w._b._o. At one seventy five and a few minutes and then if <hes> cannella really beats gluskin like i'm sure he would then then you already know what happens yeah by said god. Damn thank you so if he beats i know he would then i think cannella we'll take the mandatory. If it was gilbert oh who's number two so he bought to get that shot as soon as cannella beat legalzoom. Oh that's good. Let's see let me tell you i've check comments on gilbert those top rank fights and he don't get the love canal gets and they want that fight. They want that fight. You see the comments section on on his top rank youtube fights and i'm so my pushed put out there by top rank. Obviously you might need a translator because a lot of them are spanish comments but they want that fight. They wanna see versus cannella <hes> but they definitely have gilbert as a huge beside. I mean if they were u._k. There will be calling him shit with telling but anything the other before we open up the last but not least go thumbs up but you have to put the visibility show if you wanna go one step father had off the patriots dot com s- after boxing sign up now for the last three bucks catch us tomorrow for our flagship on the patriot on title that we do every monday at least was definitely saw versus the j. junior <hes> <unk> heavyweight and we'll be fighting on broadway boxing on august twenty nine. He staying busy with that at least man. You know i wish wish we could see does. I'm not paying another ten dollars for some bullshit. You know but i'm happy for steph shaw. He's able to you know i don. I mean well. We do know we interviewed a man. He said it was the fact that he wasn't busy and so that's why he left heyman. <hes> <hes> lose keeping them busy but i you know i was just gonna. He's gonna you know it's gonna be hard to be ace seidman <hes> on on u._f._c. fight pass. Yes you know what i mean. You ain't gonna be able to build a fan base to become an ace side. How could you like if you steffan foltz. And how do you become you know. How do you have leverage in an negotiation table. Whatever yola or with travis kauffman at this point you know what i mean like none of them and that's low levels even calls tack them you need you need those names so hopefully luca get them in there and maybe lou could maybe luca because lewis you know he's he's he's been on that relationship with eddie him and eh building a partnership. They could crunch so you know he'd probably end up getting what the fuck is cookie who she cries baby amy from yeah he fucking around and get a little <hes> joseph parker tuna neither other stuff and shows. He's kind of prospect. Who could they give him on dissolves. I'll know maybe speaker speaker was last seen being knocked out own design. Dave allen dave that other dude nick webb right to do with the gimson. You have what you've got over david price coming off a victory day. He's got a job to get knocked out. So could be a good win for yeah. That's it man we're going to get dirty. Skulls with. 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Today is the day doing so cover up before winter gets here right right now. Get a free blowing machine rental when you purchase ten bags or more select blow insulation only at the home depot more saving more doing services dot com for start. I don't wanna be a hypocrite so give me my <hes> crawford yard in one more one more. I think that <music> i that's the yard for both of us men divi- divide that into whatever we owe because we're gonna be playing a bird all night s. I may cause <hes> for all my anti reese face he looking forward to end in a._j.'s career in the desert and i'm looking forward to watching that so obviously <music> dot com in writing this here look what now that you could take empower hum dot com anthony edwards talk to me anthony komo. You'd you'd down right up cola. Mikey the chip okay so three things happened that night. It turned out to be a good fight but three things happened that night and one was apparently right in mmediately regardless <hes>. How will you think you're right there. It was apparent immediately. He didn't have the i q yet. The athleticism he had all the flashy punches he had to punch combination anything he needed as far as physical tools in in the ban to punch despite punch you might be right but it'd be right about that. I mean he. He looked good doing it. That's the point to the punch. Just eat a few but you know the things that became apparent. He simply just didn't have the the the experience. He wasn't smart enough to know what to do and our top. I know what you said about tune day. Because that's another accident. Now i said it before and i said again so they don't know shit about boxing and he led his cash cow two slider the reason why you're talking about give you say anything other breath fuck that live in the camps. Oh shit if if you believe anything other than to say don't know shit about boxing. All you gotta do is watch watches in between rounds like like just like this is like necessarily he didn't give them any instruction and i got problems with that like whether you supposedly high level trailer level trainer light like how <hes> <hes> like <hes> abel sanchez nadi he wouldn't give me no motherfucking structure well. Maybe not the naughty but some of his other fighters sane like us. Tell them to go out there. You got knocked doc. You like me something do telling something. Maybe he wouldn't have guessed out but we already know. The big muscles ain't gotta take uh-huh can proudly fix that no big deal just one month or two ready but also what we've seen that night couple of guys oh right. I wonder if anybody said ed. I don't know if he looked that bad his last fight he got old man. He got oldest. Hell overnight. You really go garage. I would say oh. You got to fix back now. You can't bookings olmer and true enough and nello pick that share right off the tree before people knew right what they know. Now you know what i'm saying so but he gave a half decent counters self but it's just it's like a lot you streamlining the cat too much. You should have been in the camp. You don't say it's right like you didn't trae right. You probably didn't watch him. 'cause got down that was elementary you get your ears jabbed off unacceptable unacceptable and hopefully he gets into training like as again until they don't oh no shit about boxing on his face everywhere brown like i could see that in the first fucking round like bro really like you just don't get ear stats out the whole time yet. You bigger stronger do yeah you more athletic. Yeah you more flashy but don't wait you well. Nothing you gotta know what to do. You there you just do it right and that's default but did didn't know i think his tank ran out. He knew he was way in. I like we called it. We've seen it. We've seen it. He was way into until after the first half to turn turn it up. Turn it up. He had enough he did yeah. He didn't have enough but but just like you were saying it'd be tween you should have had a little more detail it could it could take them but but the thing about it how much more you want the fucking pace may turn it up after the six anyway and i do agree in tune. They could get better in caracas and that's what i say. He told them nothing. He just brought this chess burma. Thanks but i wouldn't you know get rid of them. Because you don't want a bunch of fucking dudes on the internet talking about higher you ain't low oh you cut your man off all he got you here. Look man lennox lewis told whoever fucked so some my they say no. You can't go to college which fucking you know gray schoolteacher just say happening grace schoolteaching a._b._c.'s middle school teaching you algebra br trig and all that good should in college man you can't be. I plan like sunday good. You know if you wanna cut to different ten percent czechs rex. Let's stop. Let's stop talking about this loyalty. Should this is a job for that man. He took them shots. You see his face. You know what i'm saying so he you're gonna keep paying whatever percent sunday his manager to shit. Cut them from you your trainer if you want. That's not what i'm recommended but hey cut them from mid training. Check for manager. You know what i'm saying. I remember the day day helping. Get get here leading when nobody else did at the twelve emerson pipe nobody really was taken at the yard and he got he felt eddie. Let them just random my he let them round when he understand but as things that you can go in and correct at the new york beverly it wasn't like a wasp for like you right. They could go back and correct it but now you tell me again you tell me i'm not interrupt you. Tell me what other fight you see in the light heavyweight leeway division. I'm let you fucking foresee the next twelve months. That's gonna be this. There is in another fight that you can mention on this level four title that the stars are done alarm with a thirty eight year old. Do the drinks liquor. They take into the body. None of that shit ain't gonna happen again. It's over. It's over. He's going to turn it all the way up in the skilled department to get a title shot and win. Okay what what he did yesterday no way he beats guide check. Maybe i ain't gonna count amount of better be because maybe he better be down three times. You know what i'm saying got that chin but even better be my sleep him. You know what i'm saying. Coppola already did it. It's difficult like of a lifetime versus. He had listened. He had the weakest champion at one seventy five. That's i can agree with that all right. Who's the week stamping i don't. I haven't seen those other guys like how the competition i think was this he maybe he maybe amy jo made me go to the camera. Y'all wanna see his face. God sack. Almost you seem what he did. That is high level. That is how i've always said this from the beginning. I think jack fights out of tokyo okay but that don't matter that's hi. That's still high level in that was gacek. Step up he he. He's a twelve fourteen fights but i seen god check in his his previous fight. Go the distance with a guy who was moving from one sixty eight who was a world beater at all so i have my reservations about god definitely personally i you can have different for a opinions about him but me personally. I have reservations about boca gotcha menace crazy. Donna's was the most improve and like kovalev duckpin bro. Come on man fuck now. You don't wanna give him credit. That's crazy. I don't even make says hasbro saying i'm not giving credit like the death not my thing i'm saying he got a good victory over stevens but his previous awesome things maybe a younger guy could could could explore embedded michael be easy spiteful at all but but but i ain't never say it wasn't easy all i'm i'm saying is remember the remember the argument remember why we stopped talking about boxing. We arguing about who is the weakest champion and you giving me in the next twelve months. How the hell is he going to get this type of opportunity. There is no more dude weaker than copeland. Oh beloved one seventy five would've belt but you believe otherwise you feel like god. Check ain't done enough in his win. Were now. Our guys evolved got better. I got to see a cope. Eleven gotcha fight each other before i say hose in my opinion. The best at at wanting is dimitri people that that's my even though he's talking about moving down to once. He's the best at once every five everybody else you know i got. I mean kobe accompaniment being sick samper time world champion. I mean yeah. He's no. No you gotta you gotta give kovalev way more credit absolutely way more credit. 'cause you shitting on him. As much as i can tell you how much he's done. You kept tweet nice geico the auto credit credit and we're at the heart of a champion in his. I'm telling knife round even though you say jarvis coppola was out neighboring he was that was spent out. I can put in the business that de eyebrow. Y'all had nothing and you know what you know. My memory is tries to two for the for the shit so i can't remember but i remember you and i talking about dan. You are taking his run off. Why are you taking this probably was the ninth he away. I'm like your wide second round. Oh big. I do agree with you. Thanks <hes> <hes> joshua going to be a champion one day to you cannot write him off as of yet well. Let's get out to the calls done. We're going out to n. o. Mastermind talk to me chant what up omay longtime comment would would have brown see mad men man mortgage from d. You see well. We're talking about this shit. Y'all dog like to jog on the show netted brash said i'm pulling for your no politics cove last shit though because he fight little body to make me see we'll going blue that man and as what rabbitohs <unk> like you know what i'm saying. He's up a couple of becoming fight as they gotta fight. Somebody like devin hand. I'm pulling for devin hand and that's would they jump right in ray. Why don't they do. That's the that's the new game plan if you lose to a chair that ain't no big deal so you gotta pay day in opportunity and it's the canal oh mayweather everybody's following the blueprints doncaster but they the hall is trying to do his blueprint but that's always always go all right what would have made the damage to the fight or grey eighty two he too young. You ain't got no fights. He ain't got enough experience though you like. You basically like value baylor you rolling the dice net. You're gonna roll a seven. No you don't rule them mother fucking free now you still got the corner to throw in the towel u._n._c. bernardi gluskin dog these. This is a business for them. They not stupid. We gotta be smarter. Why do you think that so came in so they could save his ass and keep fighting for another day. They're going to do the saying that haiti's fathers in the corner champ think about that. You don't think anything will stop that fight. I'm ame. I know going to start a fight broke but i don't see why get let me just give me so. Let's go meet me believe in an up and coming. I highly doubt i highly doubt eddie. Hearn is letting letting <hes> devon haney fight loma chanko after this eliminator happening but if it does. Let's say they're very though he might show up. It ain't gonna happen all the time though it must be boxing basketball football this boxing all you can't decide a bunch of phone street to the top and the come out talk though like why tell me why here stick to the by jimmy y yo stop going to the body when he knew hurt the man to the bottle fantasist assist very that's why i agree. That's not co amount of up until you. I was laughing with him. He's probably going to be campbell. It is going to try to be undisputed. I guess <hes> <hes> guy name got thirty. Five the back combing komai see a fema win. The home depots making it easy to turn your favorite moment into the perfect color for any room with the project cholera upload any image then discover the colors and painting match now. You're a swiping a click closer to everything you need for your next project. Explore the most popular colours and trending pallets to find your perfect pate get a colorful new experience with the project color app then shop our best brands with gallon starting from just twenty four ninety eight at at the home depot more saving doing u._s. Only see store for details. The home depots making it easy to turn your favorite moment into the perfect color color for any room with the project color up upload any image then discover the colors and painting match now. You're a swiping a closer to everything you need for your next project. Explore the most popular colors and trending pallets to find your perfect paint get a colorful new experience with the project killer app then shop our best brands with gallant starting from just twenty four ninety eight at the home depot more saving doing u._s. Only see store for details komai t a female. There's been reports came out and say i don't know team komo go by so it might try to put the brakes on him a little bit so then when she goes able to beat a campbell mike glenn unify with without i see a female if he backs out of that eliminated <hes> but <hes> i think was talking about at the undisputed he talking about moving back down to thirty because one thirty five natural eight so hand could possibly pie for baking title yeah i've seen a he said one thirty one thirty five moving down one day he he really say moving that he just said that you know one thirty is more comfortable more comfortable. You know saw good uh thirty four to form a senior building already with a natural yet. The fight that everybody wants to see dave is going to take healthy else. They went when he moved down up our and see that shit in my happen. Though giovanni is the big one you know and and it'll be a good excuse use right. I can't make that way but it won't save them. Because lawmakers easily move up he already proved a hang at one thirty five so a a new caller <noise> in new jersey. I believe one. Who's this joseph joseph jersey to doing so. Let's talk about this yard fight right now the issue they choose. I see that you know he don't have the experience you know. He don't have the experience <hes> you no fight or you know. <hes> you know longtime champion like cova laugh. You know you look at it as resumes guys basically no names and another thing yard is that he don't have no he. He doesn't have good defense. I didn't really see him in there. You know moving his head ads and stuff like that you know and that that seems to be a thing was brady's fighters they they. They just don't have the defense and he was real already man. He wasn't ready for alcohol for less and that's been the knock man that's been the knock people wanted to see a millionaire nan with someone before he got in there with the level of a cobra left but they were daring to be great. That's that's what you gotta do but that's what you gotta. Do you gotta dare but he got to fix his defense problems and you know get some more experience. He he <hes> he could be a chap or a day. I think so you can still do it but you. You just not ready right now. Well all right joseph. Wanna thank you obviously for calling in man <hes>. We're gonna keep it moving into. Some other callers looks like we we got coach. Medi u._k. Would up rocking out with his late night. What's up what's up nece. What's <hes> <hes>. Mike man listen. I was waiting. I'm waiting to hear all the callers trying to see thank ways paying lace ace. Where is mr p. Whatever oh man you know. What can i say like the way we thought he would go on because you know <hes> kovalev had a bit too much <hes> for yard now unfortunately bianca and put it off so <hes> hopefully it can come back but i agree. We've <hes> the comments that people in <hes> talk about what we all said before <hes> the fight. There's a lot of pressure eyeballs on the corner on the train a- <hes> i'm in you guys know hygiene russian because all those fighters are you talking about the eastern european dudes. They ought to fight in the same way as collect those they all have that same weapon weapon that is the job they will fight on the outside. They all keep it very long. They can bang hard and if you call in a pool the job or use your head movement komo now inside you don't really have a chance against those dudes so and i work on that and i don't see it like an easy easy adjustment so tough adjustment to make <hes> so i i feel has come back down not come back down to a law level but he has to just take care of his domestic position here. He has like some decent level fighters in the u._k. Needs to take care of <hes> and that can maybe give him business bro. He raised his profile. It is domestic. Some americans americans on you not going to get like a big money. Fight straits where you can just do like you. Tuneup could be a domestic u._k. Guy and then build that yard <hes> that <hes> blood <unk> wealthy fight is a business is it is a u._k. Papers he's nobody he would begin. Shine off your okay but now one day. You'll talked about business. You talked about business. You talk about making a good papers. You fight into u._k. <hes> there's quite a shoe fighters writers young fighters in the early development years in the u._k. I can do that and it can make numbers grows. You've accurate eubanks <unk> billy joel. You know they've done that quite early in their career long. I think you're right. I domestic pay per view. I hear you but guess what this fight was. Pay per view wasn't let me ask you that wasn't it wasn't it wasn't cold it it. It was what's going. What is what is fury versus. Wow they played yard how to fuck. Is that not pay per view in the u._k. As crazy 'cause i thought that was pay per view. I was gonna say right away. That shit anything he does is pay per view now like especially if you find in america and then you have this transmitted back over here charge them but i guess not man. Let's see we got boomerang <unk>. Jason talked to me who zuri what up what what else yeah. We did this j wheeler jason jason missouri jason jason the cans did come on come on mike. Let's play play the crow sam for both the ops. You know what i'm saying. Yeah you got you down jason. You picked up men men of demands that go fight <hes> boy. You're going to have to get an american trainer. Man peak <hes> everybody wanted to be floyd money mayweather but don't nobody wanna go through too. Pure pretty boy slowly stays man when you got the soda road at philly she'll and he'd sean. That's all you come out doing. They don't really look at flooring and how his his boxing knock. Q. is so brilliant he no he. He shows you so many different looks you don't just fight in the shale. He'd come out with the hard gore via walkie. Now he's back philly. She'll you change levels and that was the problem he came out in philly seal off the rip and we can hit with the jet and then he had a lot of nervous energy blowing the check list. All the a. Tom boy speeds mouthpiece out in the royal. I said oh man is going down from here but you know i just wanted to call in here now and talk about the total colas <hes> canal granola gone put a shit bag on their buoyancy feick condello because because every time he got hit to the body like he wanted to dookie on his guy lee taking one. You don't know fodder deer man in your private tar after that can nilo fight. That's my call does make this you he definitely he definitely retire unless he he got a rematch clause. Unless he got over umass clause. He is retirement bre eight figures minimum ten million minimum imagine they give him over that. You're you're a sixteen seventeen. God no no no no no. I heard on broadcast man. Maybe how between that makes sense. You know i mean no disrespect disrespected daniel jacobs you know at all in the he ain't coppola kovolev is a champ champigny champ champ chant he out you know your three-ton chain you know and and he did you know pay per views like he's. He's been there. That's why i'm saying he lose the komo going off the al hea out him him and his girl they stand in russia. They done is over but let me go out to detroit boomerang <music> straight to the point for those attention deficit so arcata spineless from st sit deep coming with that heat while you need to the following even get started. Go ahead and lineup that crow no san. We've got a modified year. We got all you can eat crowbar up in misfits today. Welcome to the crawl washout. T._v. was good man. You know uh everything he was saying. You better get yourself a bit. We baggage yourself a bit lighter. You are here struggling with them. Little cheap ninety nine cent lighters. I hit de look this this. Is you know a lot of we right. Come on you even burnt the body. You taught me to nuisance. I got three of them floating around my role right now with the closest thing was this right here i was. I'm trying to pass cracking crackhead later. I'll be tossing him. Come on with it i did this came from the lights lights this right. You know you you you get that blow on too many times. He'd be like oh my lighter in shape so i always get that flow blood and i got a lighter towards ready for that. You know say man man. That's i totally agree with everything you're saying on. Cars is weak and like you know i'll watch 'cause. I'm boxing enthusiast. You know what i'm saying so i'm gonna watch awesome boxing on plus the only scored i got greg man like the fuck with don't fight man like anybody who lost a fight this weekend again who was in there against some c. class fighter. They need a guy retire rare like this with the foot and i know everybody talking about this. Kinda low kobe thing i but when talking while fighting cobra for i don't wanna see that you know what i'm saying to me. You know i think you you said at the start of the show like that's cherry pick for carmelo. You'll say clear out one-sixth jerry now 'cause no no no. I was saying that then go back. Cove live as a cherry pick with carmelo week to the body. The body is kinda. Ellos bread eight and butter. I've been saying that breath go back. Check tapes me. I don't wanna see that because to me. That's a cherry pick. Clear out your clear out west sixty sixty. I clear out one sixty eight dan taco bell cobra because you keep going division to division no saying doing that pack your shit you know saying choosing who's in a month buckle who you know you can be as opposed to markle's challenge cova living a challenge to to carmelo man. Take on callow smith. You want that challenge. You know what say take all dimitrius hydrogen we will we will. We takeover led to have a belt when we negotiate that division. That's how i don't know he offered. Don't say that's cough did now i. I am not crawford 'cause crawford's. His name is not is not sold out another. Oh nino bill everybody get a title so they can negotiate bird. That's where he did he eat it sees even so. He told me to get it belt. I gotta go. He drove him canal as the cradle. No one sixty he already negotiated with people. I won't say he offered to fight to jamaal charles. Oh my zone approved charl. They approved like these do they want. They want retirement money. They want what's. I got turned down. Five point five million to fight cannella come paul you're saying is that they can't get a deal done with bbc who because he is but i say that i said d'urville oh one for jamaal charles rove true so they can get a deal done or how how many you reported on thursday show that jamaal charles wants more money. That's what you said you know saying the confession we ah staying i is is is all open bus. Stay today now. We serve astray crowbar so please feel you push. The thumbs up said it's every episode. A boxing voice podcast is in your attic. 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The everything you need for your next project explore the most popular colors and trending pallets to find your perfect paint get a colorful new experience with the project color app then shop our best brands and with gallons starting from just twenty four ninety eight at the home depot more saving more doing u._s. Only see store for details the for life in and if you i know patriotic because you stoop inside out to el camino now gone ahead with this crowbar buff statement piece standards man thanks for calling in <hes>. Let me see troy. I spoke to the landlord and you are officially officially a ring 'cause senior having a spa. I mean a boomerang atmosphere so you get to call now troy. How are you good evening. Yeah i need done. <hes> gonna have you about this. Who actually did definitely so. I could thank him jemmy. Jimmy and the chat okay bigger stadium. Yeah either brother trains with a lot of passion yeah okay. Thank you <hes> what i was going to say. You send something when you're talking about angulu even then he got his money and fight to do this or that. I think the mistake which is obvious mistake that a lot of fighters make is that boxing is not the business the fighters themselves for business boxing outlet for all the fighters to do their business because if you take away all the fighters boxing still remains plate you have you have nothing the fighters that our business but they don't handle themselves like that they get handled and that and there are very a few of them that actually lost in the history of boxing and even handle themselves like a business everybody for floyd. He's not the first there was this quite as way before him that took charge in their own careers and do what they need to do. Hopkins did it. He was blocked off two years and he came back into. This thing. Oscar excuted way before him job gains. Did it a lot of a lot of fighters that and i think it's a step up and study daddy and come to realize that they are business. Boxing outlets where you could do your business things might be a little different anyone out to worry about this person and that i know this person and that person you go directly to who you meet to deal with it and deal with them straight up but i also got becoming too talk. Will you and mike talk so much about somebody made a comment so that's where all of this is coming from right man. I'm going back to lawsuit. I know we're going to chat some lower. Compadres andre the new seeing me micro virtually for yard. Did you see any fancy beat a party with a sushi girl. Shut out to make sushi go. I ain't no yet day. Ah now following stories yeldham stories disappear so quick i was you know i gotta get my sleep. These people b. i. Politia media eager to talk to me. Rio was sorry about the background. Good sorry about the background. I'm i'm. I'm i'm good now but shoo man. Y'all yard argument or your way you too much credit. Would i'll watch them very high. Level beat down by cove live. He got one round one round and where he was shot the blueprint was there but do is so inexperienced. He lost the first seven round and you tell me that the plan and was after six rounds to take jabs to the face. No dude only had twelve amateur fights. He only had that that is his plan. That is his and then when he gets down he doesn't even try to get up. He doesn't try to get up so we shut it. If teddy atlas was here he would say you showed you exactly winning with dottie would and that's truthfully is fine. Can't you do. I can't argue with should be grounds. Mike the one went went back and watched it and gave him full. You're forgetting one. Three one. Three eight believes maybe on the three take on three. Maybe high subtract yeah. I mean like i mean stanford stanford. I can't stand anyway. No no no no. I ain't no moral victory. Spike ain't no more victories. I'm sorry that he got his ass whooped. He got jabbed. He got one too. He got outpaced. He got out spaced. It couldn't switch which the levels and then that's really it. There's really no. I watched the fight and i was begging for him to continue to go to the body he he shot shot who bill and then and then you can see when yard was beating on his chest. That's a sign of i'm gone. It's not a sign of hey. It's not a sign of hey come to me. I'm ready to keep fighting. It's a sign of hey i'm done. I'm giving giving my last shot. He's done and and really like i said. I'm not impressed with yard i think he does. Let's have probably a marketing u._k. But as far as a next level i think alvarez would beat his ass southport. They'd be co covered. I i don't see a fighter in top prospects. They can really you know if if they know how to fight should be losing to you art mark. I'm sorry i think everything on the table in this fight and like i said teddy say shows you exactly what he was cutters e black good call good call man. Thank you for calling in a oh my i love the juice attracted faces cola cola areas bra larry's where we got what we got what we got waiting to see bo bo bo upgraded eighty man here boomerang. I mean a rangamati shut out the bow and the building. He's not in the building but in memory and spirit. We're going out to kevin in chicago. Uh what the guy with mike a couple of quick points and make the narrative is that a lot of people are saying that oh yard wasn't hurt he just he was dad's. He was exhausted. That wasn't a knockout he would just hurt back to go back and watch that nocco. He was don't hook as coppola stone straight jab and watch was like he was her bed by that shy off a jet. There wasn't just august blah blah blah. He was wracked. He got a sheer rock and he got knocked out off agip and the second point is a lot of just due to inexperience various. It's not just inexperienced. It's not as talented as cova skills. Pay the bills colville more talented skillful fighter <hes> yard had youth strength size speed everything but he was not as talented holdovers more talented fighter. He just one of those big durable strong guys but he doesn't have the gas tank. I think someone in there. We're going there <hes> the better way to take them out early going there and pressure on getting his face. Make them work. Mix it up. <hes> make them work colville. Stay on the outside and jabbing stuff. That's actually <hes>. I think you can get them out of their early. If some a pressure fighter going to press the pace <hes> my third point ness you've said kovalevsky duck donald stevenson man. You gotta reverted assuming in love. That's false. That's false. P._b._c. won the division a._b._c. One the purse bid and and kathy duva and kovalev star saying they got a contract with h._b._o. And they back out man google he dr. Oh man ducks kovalev. Anyone creates a real fighter. Guys stick knocked out. Badly wrong hated needed while you always a a._j. Talks i will go yeah i did. I did my the thing we are a man that has all the highlights. I couldn't really get the whole less fire. Select maybe the last pilot from the area around on but we're not shipping meal was he wasn't said enough enough and everything he was wrong with a bow on mir bomb there and we're just having his hands up soon as throwing a jab out. I mean every time you are trying to set a speed to come up with. Some buckley in kobe was just putting dead but his dad's as old now as much as it was an experience on cold. You're gonna go back to the fucking dorm board and pick up on that at least activity wise and the things things were throwing punches and not just trying to knock everybody out of every muslim puts metal. I'm not i'm not i'm not too high yard auden off of that damn homes but we on that. I was looking at the trash pile between reason most baking joshua fucking love it. I love it shit. Keep talking focus shit love that that kuzma calming. I'll be up <hes> <hes> brandy brandy brandy said if if you you think inelegant stop cove letting you smoking bath salts breath in four my in for your pick rounds but did you see coke go back and watch brown three around was tired hugging or or on a a dude. I don't know how to fight on the inside. Don't know how to get down. There and fucking big bro and kanalelo will write off the jab had he gone to the left and fucking. Oh my god i'm telling you i'm telling you i'm telling you telling you. It's going down all right. It's going down way too that she happened. That's going to be the money bet listen. Have you picked around watchi- picked this round scales. Oh it was obvious oh you have no. I thought it was but it it was killed. Okay okay because kim to kill them money like every weekend awesome secrecy to he can at least tell brew. I need i need. I look i ain't gonna hear can how many months you can help me with some money what the call into the show with the with them solid pigs when i give everybody the solid p._c. I make the the money. Manager corey talked to me going. Oh my goodness cocoon pickup a check. Ah y'all hey man like i say i told ya and when i made my call mike because it it was kinda me directly. I said the exact words if kobe of come out with it stick. Y'all got no chance y'all could check the tape i said that and he came out with stick and i walked and i was like yeah i was going around. I said kovalenko probably stop them late between seven and nine hours off on them but i was right about late stop but yeah man like i said yardman. <hes> you know you know like i said he come on and their floyd style lamp but like i said man you know he he just his fundamentalist lacking. I'm and i'm sorry man. I'm with i would miss. I wouldn't be really they're trying to especially knowing that. The manager had a ten percent so if it's the n._s._s. Miss this i give it give it to one more fight vast improvement. He got to go when i mean he gotta go. Gotta go south and as far as and everything else i mean you now. I'm kind of piggybacking on the call 'cause they. Kinda took everything. I was gonna say coppola ban soft to the to the body i mean his stamina is shot and i'm surprised man because you know when you try and with buddy buddy mcgirt he he's pretty big on that but i always thought that mu- gert would be the difference because you know most of my girl's passed by take great jabs ebbs. You know antonio tarver and authority get it. You know come comes to mind but yeah man. <hes> you know and this man. That's why i was. I was praying so you brought not not just because you lie game able because he was right there does own card and their p._v._c. carter was trashed and they probably going to say something to write. Bloomberg z. makes it. He was just like a man ray. A raisman seaney came out and said if you've watched the telecast my god. Can you guys take a body shot. Dude everybody was going down on body sucks doc. He said that he didn't say that. I was like ray. I mean they pay you. Gotta play. The company may enroll. You'll be for whatever racer with what the fuck you wanted to say and let me tell you the day not. They're not all like that because i'm not even watching shit but i swear to god. I feel like i personally salihi responsible for e._s._p._n. Stepping it up that's taken allen who else out there beating that germ but i was hard on tim and war and they ended up. They didn't change man. I'd rather listen to them right now. The it's like listening to police to paul's right now tim and andrei andrey they not lying. They tell them the truth right now and it's refreshing you know they obviously they going to top rank fluff. That's part of the game right. I just want somebody to jacomet. Thanks for calling rolling it. You say you want him to add roy. Nah i says so b._b._c. is the home depots making it easy to turn. Turn your favorite moment into the perfect color for any room with the project color app upload any image then discover the colors and paint match. 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Only while supplies lasted for for details ballot for september eleventh average you want to ask somebody at any get rid of whoever you want on get rid of him and bringing larry merchant bring back bring them back this the only only job the age don't matter until he starts shot out the coach middleman because semi up money ma'am. I had to go get that. I'm trying to go to the gym. Wait wait a heavy way sat bra. Can i get some sparring. Police like somebody don't wanna come on. That's all you gotta do is hit me up the me man. It's hard for me to get some spa right now today. Degreen today's today's are i. I haven't seen a title giambi empty. Mass is so wack right. Now you know <hes> so then. I got to go to the night jim and that's a lot of amateurs but they're just young man is small shit. What what are the wanting to spoil me. Do me put put all acquitted on me and book training jumping. I oh no that's a super heavyweight fuck. I'm not look like josh. What are you equal. Allow me to fifty right. Now and you began. You ain't fucking josh alway right now josh to sixty eight eight brand new tweet last by any eight an awful lot of work but muscle heavier than fat muscle way more so he to fifty solid ah wait wait questions question which weighs more a thousand pounds of feathers or thousand pounds iraklis notice. No i lose thirteen towns easily and be right back. You know what i'm saying again boxing and and and losing weight that's two different things man like i said oh man hit me. <hes> demand some spawning fucking ricky came up from delaware from the show calls into the show own board wars came all the way up from delaware. Gotta get that. Were you know what i'm saying so there you go man. Stop being chumps bunch of hunks. Let's go out to brandon k. p. No those shit shit actually it ain't brandon has missed the c._y._p. What up what's going on official for money. Aka mr the zone circle please but anyway i had to bring that back and i know a lot of y'all catch missing. Eh man whatever i heard over there ralphie on his channel did know his let hayden on the buccaneers. That's what i heard but i don't know for sure because i spy on pace but anyway anyway. I want to tell you about a about kobler. Let's be real here when it come to o'connell has picked on oh legend and he's made a career out of that. Let let let click somebody else go get. Let's talk in okinawa which you stop ignoring. Have mosey floyd they. Oh oh jeez oh. Let's see what because i've been dying amy. I'm turning the clock off. I've been i've been dying for. We go there. We go there. We go re tommy in the comments. He told my guy lyon by is blatant bias but he he he he's accent nello to let someone else by covert. Yes i see why p let's hold on why nobody else. It wasn't trying to build a legacy before can nello show them the fucking pass. I ain't nobody else calling her easy. It's easy to understand understand it because you understand this. Everybody listen to this. If you got the money and you got some money you got the money you'll get called out anybody. You want to bringing the money yet listen. If you got the money they were listening to go off and he had to fight he was. He was gonna fight club in that city. I actually gonna fight. We talking about what happened now. Known talk to me what was done to deal was done chance or what have you what hap- kathy duva back down again as as soon as he got the fucking domestic violence. They said it wasn't the right time. They wanted to die down the mission. I know correct wreck my domestic violence missing violence so you will back me you listening. If domestic vitamin stop topic that means homework was trying to do thing just let somebody else do their canola bonello is oleg. Who's thirty plus beat that do put it on your resume today. Look at your resume. It ain't gonna say it's just don't say the names. Let somebody else do that king out. Do your thing chain going around looking uh-huh kings chalker. Let's do that all i wanted to talk of. Connecticut is the best bullshit he do it all the time and you know he do any any doing right now. We're cutting. We'll cover. That's what everybody called me. The cherry picks cove eleven three and we are now well now. He's four and three in his last fight. Get out here a beaten by the mario. I love this mike. Now everybody calling it a cherry-pick. Go you bet with mine. I'm talking about the whole year. I'll tell you that about kobe the whole year. Everything type back everything. I said that three way before this fight with that man is three during a three last night that's not elite nail all league and you want you can nello to let people do shit when cannella l. allow had taken short money to build legacy. That's cannella you got. You got kinetico offering dudes life changing money but they say no so they can nello was as much as you want them to do what he do. It don't don't matter they never gonna do it because when they get to the table today back you know when they get to the table. They not kinetico. Annella kinetico got to the table with kodo. He took short money when he got to the table floor. He took short money when he got to the table with fucking <unk>. Who else was it. It was three people porn career lonely short mostly sought money also had a fan base so fan base make is to the fight that that's the bringing to win with. Everybody walked charl taking a fight or andris what you mean taking. He never taken five ninety jumping topic. We why don't you talk about canal w. bucking their load away that is cheaper connecticut. Hello laura who we talking about bra. Maybe you're not understanding why getting solo travel like any other wants more money more money. I thought you make you make bullshitter. Mike about money unsought swordsman. Say it again my making it up you did that. I did on thursday night. The tweet was from a guy who works for. I hope who has conditions inside b._b._c. and he said charles. You're just wants money to go a little bit more you a little bit more okay so if the offer that he made get the fuck outta here hypothetical all takes no bra bra mississippi. You know but you say somebody wanted more so to walk more. You have to have a basic so offer to him. I don't know exactly you don't know if it's not true. It's not that you know they. They won't take but what does that mean. He still got off route. You know take more but we don't know what they offered him all right all right. I gotta get in here listen. That's my argument mike. That's my argument. You see what i'm saying. He is saying what's to offer. They probably offer them saying he wouldn't take and that's what i'm saying canal oh too short money to make his way way. These dues wanna fight can nilo and get paid for ten five that aim high work. Take the short money. If you've got the skills he took short money three fights like would you talk about what's often do a fucking matter. Don't you got shot at the king. Now it matter when it was wilder everybody wanted to take the flat fee matter oe beat you get the keys to the kingdom. What is office changed with. Individuals was all of a sudden. It's can nello charles river we can't we can't says he won't more. We don't know if everyone is reporting. He got an offer and everyone is reporting. Andre got an offer and everybody's reporting the denver tanko. Gotta fucking offer and coppola got an offer like they all got opportunity unity same way koto. Oh you wanna fight me canal short money. I'm gonna fight you then. I want that legendary name on my fuck. I'll give you another example. That wasn't cannella. Earl spencer turned down a koto fight. Mikey garcia turned down a koto fight. They didn't want to sign. They didn't want to sign a contract and that's okay but saddam ali he was dead. He took that fucking fight and he got that title a net win like what is you're talking about mayor and it was short martin because that's what you've got to do with a short money for saddam alito because he got the biggest payday probably probably my and that and what you think thing five point five for tangoing the biggest payday his life come on. Can you tanko out here fighting game five million because he when take a look at and don't don't twist don't repeat in the he didn't fight jacobs and make five point five million book particular another tour and jacob says he's matt jacobson so five and a half million he he may want to like. I should begin the same offer to fight. Galumph can as i'm begins to fight. Canola period gluskin needs you. Don't matter you love me. If you can on the about seven and a half eight go all right. Let me show you how it works. Don't follow one kovolev. That's why getting ten figures gluskin needs that bell so he's he's offering a good amount because hey let's get that belqas guess what can nello tomi anita bill but don't get it twisted. I another one is to keep that bill. That's got nothing to do with they said that another team paying dan how money to serve chanko camello captain okay good ninety no not on canal level giving out cannella nello money but why because he needs to bell. He don't need to fail negotiations. Come on darla and again belts raise your fucking paycheck now going to negotiation with cannella would about or you go into an like eddie. Send a press conference. We ain't thinking about analogy lion because in the next sentence. He said they won't canal oh next but whatever if they go they own route he can unify with dimitrius people. Gotta take short money why to meet your saying. Take the fight because everybody her. Everybody heard take got twelve point five so everybody got to jacobs got our me. You know you ain't got jacob's story you jacob story. That's what everybody banked on and that's what they bank on okay. That's how they sell pay per views why you think they tell your louis telling you about his daughter and more than two time world champion ooh who is who the beaches andre marcello champ. Let's let's stick to one at a time dimitrius a love ovum but that she holds no wait two-time champion no way wow no way not with him not with him not not with him. Who we go. I'll bring i will i wasn't much. We wanted to go the bills on the pulled out. He got replaced by napleton or the name. They know nathan already read. It ain't nathan his name ain't nathan nathan ain't nothing like nathan astle no. I'm pretty sure it's like akinwande in one day or some shit like that. I it was african. Come on brought to john chen danso. Oh did leak to see why pay dan won't titled real. People want to blame me for two time champ because the guy put out because he i brought my energy the same hey go go. No latin by swedish energy to san with billy. Joel sounds his two-time bells. We wanna firm true here. We want that i want from from i know his name. I knew his name i do. I don't even generally remember so you might say his name in the do might be good. You know you you fucking fucking google funny out man. What's the guy's name. I don't even know what this englishman commute yakamora. I know you know in the meantime. Go to a caller. We got started online as subject because mary fresh franken has barbershop course told on stumbling i caught him in the middle of a superstar apologized igloo to tim bradley commentary is garbage. I went to i think he stepped it up man. He de better coach that for might to buy a new joke book. It wasn't enough funding fucking joke and ely bill jobe enemy force versatile after pete equivalent beat them or before actually cooling how to draw with them now that i think about it drop to call mpg cullin job him andy lee andy lee one sixty. Was it a vacant or had the bell at least friendly bill well. I al- i ain't going to be a hater and delete was decent he wasn't he wasn't a world beater. I mean julio cesar chavez. I mean look if you wanna fuck and say andy. Lee is a killer fucking but chavez beat him. Chivers beat him in texas. I believe you know what i'm saying. Charleena's right like julio cesar chavez knocked him out in seven and how many billy did been with people that we on the beliefs like a can of boxing no. He's a gray box and that's why i ain't even going. Hey embrace the gray box but dan he went to y'all. Listen andy lee. I don't know how durable is. Emily also got knocked out by brian vera. If i'm not mistaken brian lehrer made his like i think i know brian brian varicose he knocked out and ely and ely used to be trained by manual stewart rest in peace. They hyped up andy lee because he was trained by a emanuel steward and i think brian yeah lucky eyestone yes then they put the rematch on h._b._o. Stop playing with me. Man like i said said man. This is what the fuck do y'all alliance ourselves. Cannella do great things. He takes short money to do great things. He sucked down in a catchweight like this. Do see why peo- you gotta come with better <hes> arguing in that right. He took a one fifty two catchweight with floyd and short money. He said he would it. Mike of course he said he would because he wants to grow now. He's driving that call but you all right. The fucking. Getting slower fight was not a huge thing for him. I put canelo own <unk> melts like the casualties absolutely absolutely but why can't follow the same all right. Why can't dimitrius who everybody beating the drum for why he can't do the same. Why did he call kovalev kovalev before while saying kovolev now is hot everybody. I won't fight him now. Now now what had to meet your saint like y'all billie joe you running from me u._s. Sixty eight why he ain't no instagram every day accident for that billie joe smoke at sixty. He definitely said you know every a day. Why shannon briggs. I'm going to tell you why you got to what skiing the eighty five billion while you gotta do it every day because according to mr c._y._p. You not canal you. Don't bring a fan base so when you bring a fan base you gotta shannon briggs. You gotta club. Ah lane the blueprints did floyd floyd do delahoya oh oh but my fucking don't know how to follow the blueprint. Y'all not follow bucher why dmitry saying calling out cal smith telling me fucking matchroom can make that in a heartbeat. If you wanna prove breath there is good as condello. Do can allow do call out the best in local <hes> fucking mayweather year but can year yeah yeah but yeah yea guinea fight garate twice what took fighting the best thing can ninety consider. The best bess was ganapati considered the best the worst some house there were some <hes>. What would you say now reservation. Racially constant people thought that he was doing enough to be a good naughty so well. That's why cannella beaten both meltdown so there's no doubt y'all can mellow for ganapati and jacobs and yet i say he's duck and andre who who has andrei four interstates form. There could be like come on man. I wasted my time today. We'll see what we see. Soho seven sixty tom. These dues need to do something. You can't just get a shot and then they giving you a fucking shot and you saying it's not enough money like come on man. I'll know if what did say it wasn't the money but e._s._p._n. Reported negotiation. That's what we read why he make the deal because again it's easy. This benefactor could not look at once took. Makeover will probably bigger five has like a little bit more buzz around wait. Let me ask you how you think this works okay right. What is canal and golden boy envy equation of the major sandra the eisai decide okay eight hundred okay so does dmitry sent an offer to cannella say hey man okay so so the offer came from okay so then all andrew gotta do is take it. Oh so sometimes like like i said i'll often sometimes to go see offer that they know you won't take but but do you have a sensitive earl and mike okay but my do you think that when canaletto sat down to do a youtube interview and he said that he will fight floyd at a catchweight he really meant it or he expected to fight for it at a catchweight. No they held them to a interview. Yes sir her okay. Okay so what's the difference jam difference in the equation. Is what's the difference. When did the andre say oh he we. He waited like another go. But what do you mean i'm talking about. Accepting horrible terms terms again though again. We've seen this like the fighter my wanted like with with the management might say no. It's not enough money for us the n._f._l. And that's why you see you guys keep smacking yourselves. Canals team told them we don't want you to fight austin stint trout. I try to call put trout in the ring. We don't want you to fight laura that motherfucker khaimah the press conference grab my might bring what a minute ring. We don't want you to fight gennady lufkin. Take doc discount fight make this month. That motherfuckers disrespected me a ring beat them. Let me do it again. You mother fuckers his disrespectful. You know what cause you ain't never been punched in the face but like i said d._m. Me man i'm trying to spall fuxing. I wanna see excite the matrix andrea and tomorrow living in manhattan. I know somebody call and try to put astra's says to all that but he did all that he did. All these dudes ain't done shit yet begging for pay days and let me tell you can nello low is floyd in this equation so can nello so when canal suck down and took off lloyd's restrictions just like four took off fucking oscars restrictions. He wasn't crying. They do what they gotta do till they drive the car but whatever man i'm done giving free advice the big supermax texas would it do chant today's <music> mypillow dot com yoenis man. I agree one hundred percent with everything you just said. I mean cannella floyd in that situation. Of course you like to say <hes> you know i i got these <hes> these credentials and and this <hes> these accomplishments you know that works works in other sports like football basketball but in boxing boxing is a popularity contest. It's about ratings. It's about what you draw in what you bring to the pot pat you know if you know it's like you know you hear you hear a like on a talks about how much time champion three times that that doesn't matter if nobody cares who you beat or that nobody knew that beforehand its popularity contests and quite i frankly for those guys if they believe if they truly believe they can beat canal a win over can nilo is a you know that puts you in a in the big spot you know so why not take short money if you truly believe you can win that fight if which you perceive a short money win that fight and you become one in terms of boxing joseph. Let me use some of your time so let me understand the logic right greenwich me me and charlie the same age or actually older than me. I'm a two division chan. I fought legends first ballot hall of famous i got i mean i'm whitewashing dudes. Bottom line like people think kovolev is my cherry. People in kovolev is my cherry and i'm younger than you but i'm ducking you exactly you mother the focus on crazy as likely though you know like they say you always stuck in the next guy. It's always a new flavor of the month once he beats charleston say absolutely so if he fights dimitrius he's duck in charlotte. Hello he's ducking dimitrius but the thing is kamilo got. Hella fights left. He gonna fight. Both of them and i wanna know what they say then what they say due for an trout in a prom a prom. Laura took jerry her to hell dues on about bison. He's ducking next next. It'll be he's ducking jared hurt because you know jabra heard already got a little bit deflating plus. He got a rematch. You've got to see what happens with that. It'll be that a billy joe. He's ducking wanted them guys in there is is you know but now man like i said i gotta agree with you there man. You know you kind of hit the nail on the head with that one. I know they call me a family but we live in taylor. You know what i'm saying for sure for sure man. Everybody's a fan boy is a mighty brought us. All we know we got stainless. Boomerang your disagreement. That's what i keep saying. This is what you were saying earlier about. Canal belt at that division canal only know built kind of look at his name along. He got a whole fucking country. I am you know what i'm saying. Plus another half country here. That's willing to buy them off. Put on so now before it is also i man leads is about don't get it. Why are you think athletes so you tell them you're gonna get more. Accolate is on it from going to fight or do that. All of us are pretty much in agreement e stainless absolutely you're going to write history you. We're going to be a mexican where ninety two percent of the media is going to say. You're a four divisional chat. There's not many mexicans. The four divisional champs let alone those divisions and he's gonna be skipping a division. They're gonna he's going to go from his. He just fought jacob sixty so now he's going to go straight to set seventy-five come on chair history. It'll matter what you were not think because two years from now we're going to like he'd be kovolev coming off of that yard knock out. He not doubt cove living and knocked the dow up and look at your your world champion yup yup. I told ya that's going to be my mom. Actually exactly exactly exactly that's accurate. I can't believe y'all know how to shoot word bad and maybe i is building his legacy same entire fight charlie and andre. We want to see them online at the same the peak never let nobody run down on a fucking press conference offers. He ain't never let him do it anytime. Somebody went down as they got to get in a ring in fucking pay for that shallow and andre guy beef. Let them settle that shit. Let settlement hundred. I wonder if i can because that's where the money at that's why any about legacy it ain't about belts is about a money. That's why when canals involve nick swan fucking life changing money they think he joshua joshua money i now i want to pick in your won't be x ten s. Oh no not now once that i mentioned money breath not saying for me as a fight fans listen i'm. I'm not saying you mentioned money faxes. They axing for more dervish ankle turned down andrei got while we hear shit and the nobel alley operated by you know why we we don't know too often because usually off a trash. We don't we know it if true oh. I know it's true. I know is true and when office good we we know it too because look what happened to luis ortiz. Oh you lie you lie. I'm put out these emails and tax and the eddie do put them shits out and we found the truth. Come on tell me off. It was 'cause we officers. We hear about it. We hear about it on many china. La man china laugh your your favorite fighter favorite fighter debbie great gabriel rosado moved up from fifty four and fucking gennady lufkin. He fought the nautica when nobody will ever sergio. Martinez was duck in them. What you telling me the charles can call denied why they can call back did what i wanted. Them couldn't move from fifty four like everybody else. Moving up then mikey just move up what's going on what's going on and why did they move up floyd. Move up like what's going on. What's going on moved up for one fight. He what the rule the division oh you gotta plan. I will then stop begging nello if al got a plan for you. Tell tell you face to stop begging cannella. If al got a plan for you tell you fans stop hating on canelo because canal is doing real shit. He doing real shit. That's why i got that mercedes chug. You're seeing that mercedes turkey. Guy sake got that big pickup. Carry is ball's smother flutters d. h. Miss get this work in texas yeah. I'm a fly all the way to texas but let me tell you son. I did do that before and i will do that again or they were members. Flew to texas spoiled both cruise em off in and took a class story. Yeah yeah and that's deliver as weapons to when it's convenient down here. I know you did some work down there. They were but brahma mush it with me and it was it was it was crazy because is obviously you know at adapt tom. It wasn't there jim like that. So the do made you do whole fucking class like i'm talking about a whole class like shadow boxing gloves zahn. Get down and do pushups run around the gym. These bad like all this crazy cardio. Shit then is open gym. It's like damn brab. You're trying on a killing in the colony coaching. You use my drive like our pickup. Nigger <unk> pay up ball like another our air. What what are we gonna switch from on the jamaal charles. Has people andre know jamal. I'm telling you see what i'm saying. God had no what he do. I used to say that he may say oh. He ain't making me a fighter because i was. I was going to be too arrogant. I i was gonna be just to arrogant. Am i am not my brother's fucking keeper. The fuck doc is wrong with me. I just can't man. I can't keep giving free advice on how to build fuckers like either. You want to do this so you don't man like what you've got into it for us. From equal to jamaal charles been calling out for years gear yeah at fifty four. Was he calling them out. Don't be lied to me because i've been doing this too long and and let me tell you say mike triple g got yelled triple apple geeta thing for them fifty four pounds fifty four but he will fight a four pound in a heartbeat in a heartbeat so honestly before he name in his mouth natural g. but when he got to win sixty he definitely was coming up and listen. I'm not san dan and his tire hundred and fifty four pound career heated in col- out gennady. I'm not saying that but what i'm saying is when you ain't fight k non bondage okay this. What people don't this was not realizing when you not a champion okay when you are not a champion champion you call out gennady. Okay you four k nine bunder age and in dimitrios on trade for who you said okay okay now my name three belts cannella one from who rocky fielding the w._b. The a regular <unk> the owner and i believe he'd be off track right foot the bill why why was that so easy for you can never be bigger name again. Yeah keep answering questions man so don't be dumb at the negotiation negotiation table you trying to get in with the big name and get some popularity we're going out to n._o. No talk to me yeah. Nasr bronx see you got a bag on that. Cannella shit did a little doll. You're running wild right now on the show me and tell me he ducked charleoi because he may lose franchise champion. I mean it's the fight for mandatory from me all the franchise sitting no lead dull and we're going to defy why why cello and get his fight german berman saying well. We can't go whole doing trilogy hold on. We want to get money from the g._m. You know what i said. You know what what because dan jacobs had an entire career at one sixty. Let's not forget he's off what his career at one sixty. That's not what he did what he did you tell what his career one signature for the trigger g fight. I imagine nation would tell you jean. I'll tell you what he did. Then since you wanna act like y'all know daniel what i'm gonna pull up his resume. I think what my sixteen and no maybe sixteen to know. He stepped in there with dmitry project daring to be great darren. It'd be great right. Oh you don't know so the mall vignal no not. I'm giving you you you. You mad. You're mad at cannella matter floyd for picking and choosing me well. Y'all don't use their blueprint. Daniel jacobs used it. I'm a show you win he. He loss in two thousand ten seconds two thousand and ten that boy put on his metaphor had a four ku belt and strapped it up. We'll go before you get. What's up iraq appear. I was the favorite in that that would boogie man boogie man boogie man the boogeyman i mean and and you notice was an h._b._o. Faisal daniel jacobs was the favourite because he was he was being aired on on h._b._o. Like that was so him him. Losing appear ride round trying to be great what what he he did a fucking. Hey listen to me. Listen to me. He could have did a quilt and not take the fight. He could've did a fucking. Would you say canal. Did you lose me to nearest if he was a favor net fight. How was he doing. It'd be great dude because is the oh is about dimitri progress before this fight absolutely okay absolutely i mean he he he. He wasn't a daniel j love. You know we get now. You know iraqi lick eric daniel daniel jacobson in terms of the casual fan on them benita was gennady gillespie and mike but the hawk 'cause noon the hawkers hawker's noon before he thought the jacobs brian he didn't get a shot. That's a vacant that's the beauty eighty look at look at the dude just for the beat mikhail fight fox right like when he gets a shot you might lose his best win. Nobody you will have the same fox fox. People people do what anthony y'all did. They don't find nobody to the title. Sometimes that's how would be especially suli when you demand at divisional you highly ranked in that division. It's vacant title in say eject during it'd be great you find for consistency dude's not take vacant title shots all the time because the other person across the street nez. You'd be rounded fucking bush talk show wait a minute so good and so can vacate title instead of fighting vicente. We know the reason if i today's no no the reason is because you don't take dangerous fight when you got a big payday. Tanko could've beat them so that is a clear doc. Look the same right you fighting them. Not so i mean you could be intimate. That's the case and and mike just talked about that now. The tables turn can nello force them to go get a belt if he wants that life changing money why he can't pay for the w._b._z. built around in the n._f._l. Draft all stress dot fi it blissett. He ducked that fight in the haters but truth be told bbc co. Income through for the man who like they won't get you can't ever chain go life changing money why you can't pay load toga about picking and choosing dude. What are you gonna break. The bread like you know what i'm saying like. Obviously the mega won't move brand of y'all issuing money like that my money. I just like ban dan. They offer y'all at check right now for for t._b. They give you a motive fuck. It gives you a check for one hundred dollars. They give mike a check for like two hundred five hundred a year was my honey. Hey mike was going to know collander. No stop playing shit chat and now. I'm the fucking champ you gotta give me nablus. Stop plan and no don't act like you don't hall a low to the same place the little other young driver next to you getting probably fucking working forty nine forty his phone numbers. You know that salaam. That's that's that's a lie. Let me finish martin allergy. Don't nobody you ain't just coming into game same getting whatever you making right now that boy gotta put in his word he gotta put in his mouth. May he might have to drive with a fucking a a partner for a couple of miles. You in our both know so don't ask charles to come in here trying to swing his dick for more more money. Go do sacha the young men putting a man who was a former males in a negative visit another in another division man. I swear you're in love obama. Focus yeah talk about me. Fucking lamb buyers with canal at least this <hes> trout be fucking. Try captain hook. One hour with the fuck was his name with one lagman. Stop plays well did v._p. Kovolev fucking loss long uncle in olas core. Listen man listen. Listen no the way i know i know when i say matt core above you. Tell me who's the equivalent on kinetico's resume. Go okay nettle resume. Yeah who's makor who is matt corp so i can't question who is matt court on cannella resume. Go kirk uh-huh kirk you go now. You go a lot. 'cause i kill you. I'm against more chance. I'm gonna listen to me listening. Listen to buy yes okay. I'm gonna give you one more chance. Though i'm gonna give you one more task might he. He fought as a prospect. Anybody tell you that in chad today now. We've chat. Don't read the chat because he fought him as a prospect. That's that's my right. You never floyd what i'm what i'm sorry. What was the name of gulu gulu off switch and gula. Was there anglo so. I'm gonna tell you this <hes>. I don't even think i don't even think core above is done with ain't golos done. I don't even think dominant golos don't go off for the title gulu not a better fighter igloo gulu. I mean you thinking of angulo now. That's the problem you ain't you ain't came ooh. Oh man man man co look look. I'm just eh name. I'm opposed name social pay now. I'm not gonna play because he can't. You can't fuck with me. I'm a mutual to kill you. Then bring you back awry so he won't bring up and google who would outbox wreck holds a win over gabe rosado like twenty years ago like twenty years ago on friday night. I fights okay but now gabe rosado look what he's done and where he's an all the fights he's had twenty air but how good of gabor's donald oh good enough to knock down selecting good enough to knock down so like good enough to beat j. leone love. It's not good enough to give peter quill in a very good barometer fight. Would you talk about ads can be done. I mean i'm just the answer is no. I wouldn't get caught on hold on because just because we the argument just because we argue or debating. We cannot diminish what people have done okay. I'm not the mission what he's done you at all on. How good is the in the <hes>. How good is my nigga. You tell me how many how many more shots you expect willie beaming a fucking get your boy how many titles chassis gin we'll see. No no oh fuck we see gimme a guestimation to get the fuck audit what i think he's gonna get an opportunity to fight for world francisco estrada who was like a w._b._z. Champ <hes> you and once others champion waleed betty hanley. Might we all know the losers. Get title shots in the desert right around the house can be seen louis before right man for reason you chase him right now but let's give back to and now you is you. You ain't doing talking serious <hes>. Let's get back to anglo first of all. I i mean how how do you want this. Mike because we gotta says some sort of rules because i don't feel i explaining every name so are we doing what we traditionally traditionally do. Where we like a fighter be fighter. You know see fighter or like biggest win second. Just give me your notable names in a row and gould resume again notable. What does that mean c. Plus plus above notable c. plus in above a right so that's difficult just because you know how you see a name for hypothetically like vina's has for a lot of people right a lot of like a lot of people got on his on his resume resume. His biggest winners who yeah i called von is average at best not a sleepless kind of fighter. He's not c plus. Okay so best. Wow plus too you you crazy though finances c. plus but hussein's loved what the fuck man vinik. I didn't get a draw whereas laundry laura in his prime he did. I mean either draw stopped the fight because of the hat but that i fight they had to fight twice breath vans as moderate listen we go to angle oh i and then we go jump divine as but yeah biggest needs school as hung with the best of them he some and that's why we get into this lesson like we need b. C. n. b. level fighters richard lardy. He ain't sayin' violence plus richard. Lardy is a d. right the the guy who talked about the yes the and we need them right. 'cause one needed a might. I didn't know him before the fight back. I guess i know he needs. He needed a body because he's a prospect as on the developmental stage so they not gonna put them in with another process on a developmental stay. They need a marty who is a d fighter. They put him in there with a guy named charlie gorman nathan going for me but that you know the u._k. Like to do the domestic rivals. They make money off of that. All i'm saying is not everybody's a level level fighter but that being said let's go down the line and this is insane broyard disrespectful man this respectful okay knowing how hard it is to do this sport knowing what just happened donald stevenson knowing what happened to pritchard richard cologne knowing would just happen to the two people that passed away in davos you mother fuckers super disrespectful but the first name <hes> <hes> you know what i don't wanna count because it's going to be matched to do in terms of counting how many fights in but in two thousand eight four richard gutierrez very we good journeyman that you need developmental fights right then he lost to kerr tron now a afraid on gula was on the fast track back in the day he was with gary shaw. They put him on h._b._o. He was struggling to make weight back then for whatever the reason and i guess the excuse was he was sick. It was also a w._b._z. <hes> eliminator one hundred fifty four pound division. He lost that fights. I turned around took the gabor's out of final e._s._p._n. One that by knockout in two gay presider was working at home depot when when he took this fight because you mother fuckers disrespectful itself. I wish somebody's spit on you when you're asked for a picture because a lot of fighters takes jobs jobs are kazuyo but this is two thousand nine and look at what gabe is that now you know look at what he's done in. His career just opened a gym movie <music>. You know hanging alice's got more money than all of us you know l._a. Now telling me things but you're not telling me what he'd done the rain i he doesn't break any in the ring he plenty intervene yeah just disrespectful but it's all good. He knocked out the hard murray. He knocked out gabriel rosado <hes> into he knocked out harry. Go yogi joe yogi in three common opponent with jamal or jamaal charles. I bet you jamal went more rounds. Find out for yourself. He knocked out joel julio in eleven right. I'm pretty sure let me just double check but i'm pretty sure this is the one that the the devon alexander alexander wright siegel deepa carlos santana carlos chana china who is this james kirkland and gula our this is a different <hes> joel <hes> julio but common opponent again with james kirk lynn <hes> carlos cain tana former world chant and anglo also beat them so hello julio again joe scene out scene right. This guy beat david lemieux and loss us to jamaal charles so you can laugh. All you want there you go then. He got <hes> james kirkland right <hes> that jorges silver. If i brought he got his ass beaten us over but then that's when he fall laura lost that fight lost the fight <hes> della rose. I remember that she got his ass. Now this is this is older angle towards the this part of his career but still in there with big names right heck the moon. Yes the that's been around forever. <hes> daily rains been around forever. Freddy hernandez been around forever sergio mora. Peter cohen is now now scheduled to fight him. I don't know how pitas fight in his do but again. We know it's it was short notice. He's stepping in man and and golos trying to build with up to that chavez. I remember job as at one point wanted to do and google as a comeback too so you know i guess he's trying to stay active but he needs to retirement. The funny thing would angulo is that then they was they was calling for him to retire when he was with with virgil like after after virgil took a man and the laura fight. We had the big oak over the ankle of seeing the alarm fight. Now i think it was the virgil fight man. I mean you know after like the virgil virgile. Stop training them like you know what i mean like yo- you you need to retire but then he he just keeps coming back man but but yeah oh he's been in them and and i don't know i'm just not i'm not disrespectful like that. I mean i remember i was in the beginning. I ain't gonna front but <hes> ah is difficult now. Man he's take <hes> heather shots and it's not easy as people think as your found out found out man that exhausts austin cake stan and you can't do what you what your brain is telling you to do man. You know people think it's easy from the outside looking in that's what it is got a couple of quick. We got one from equal to aw d. h. Why love conduct that eliminator. Would you mail them him. All the say. I'm gonna give you the same excuse that might gave gough game when he ducked fucking dervish tanko. He got big money. The road was supposed to be a fight. It's okay when his d'oeuvres chanko is not okay when jamaal charles okay okay we got one from a igloo to and goulash chavez junior williams n- kirkland all trans can face tons of light touches ford concise bombs like that got more from. Let me let me go to does let me let me go to this. Where's this shit shit at what he say because i know that was coming at me in gulu sylvan job as junior liam smith in kirkland are all trash can another has tons of light touches floyd insights bum liked bombs like that <hes> floyd face bombs okay so you know i will be dispelled. Whatever got one from. I'm committee you talking about that. Schiff coalesce training was great at the row. He told him straight another round like that. Stop it. We got one from n._o. Can allows the judges and the jews on this. I had <hes> they gotta. They gotta hate on them. I got eight on so this list of names. The igloo mentioned they bombs right on income by i wouldn't call them according to him according to him but daniel j goes by the fight with jarvis right peter quilliam about the fight angulo which is a transplant like you said liam smith you'd say got a knockout got a victory over guy who never been stopped weather coming opponent with jamal somebody else i believe giving credit common opponents like i was with google <music>. <hes> kirkman just came back. I wouldn't call in golo chavez junior orleans meal bomb. Tom brooklyn and it's funny how he singles. Those names abajo talk about the the first battle hall of fame is that he has for how many how many i hall of famers amos jamaal charles or dmitri sanjay four so my super chat me dad godley with i bala famous set me for them talking to them. I want them to him. On the democrat silos put in chat now though fault may one can go for moseley moseley glove ballots. That's the top of my head. I balance alberto coto for i bow and you know what once he once he fi- <hes> once he fight kovolev that'd the three times world champion that shouldn't be hard. This shouldn't be hard to put them in their. I see at least laura dead to be great. You know what i'm saying. He was consistent. You see what the problem is. People did not like me. They don't tell the true gennady been a duck. He you been ducking longtime. He would fight every fifty four pound except laura laura been wanting to go up to one sixty and gennady golovin dick riders. Were saying if you really want that noddy sauce. Why don't you just move one sixty s getting a couple of fights and really show that he's one hundred and sixty wa. Ah fucker reside away how to do that. Vina's ain't gotta do that. Yatta want this word. That's the thing when you tough you do tough things since laura's tough he got the kamilo fight. He ran down on him because he tough he tough some dude just same built that way from that way what first ballot hall of famer dick another site that wasn't in their mid thirties slowly necks too dumb ass out who was that i'll come down with what i i don't know man to pass the ball and first of all mike. I don't wanna call them a dummy. Who was that the dummy but listen mike so all of a sudden just shit on canal. Oh if you thirty or whatever number he wanna give you not in your palm because because last i checked we don't know the age of a prime if between two thousand eight hundred thirty three who says that scientific studies the dan got nothing to do with boxing show me something give me one oughta go tells you that the prom and how they figured it out making us some fucking <hes> phrase and boxing i mean we see is not only that's true when she turned over thirty two the elliott within it from football basketball boxing ease slowly. They're not the same as you wasn't twenty. So what do they call it. Netcom the young man's game right. Yes hi <hes> <hes> except some of these old guys do better than the young men right like john pascal right. Oh okay how good who. I forgot no because again that bullshit don't go in boxing. He's in his prime. Oh he's on his mom he was thirty eight to. We got dudes fighting today. Fifties george foreman came back at forty. One fucking world title be hop. Did it people many pack you out just diddy yeah. Let me i'm on this show man because it's too easy to slaughter you bum off a bit. He left okay. Wait this on my head on something like that and he let me see him. They go bring him back. Yeah yeah would i see why young man i'm. I'm trying to figure out why you all on the show all up on the blog log lion who who who who are u. P. diddy everybody know that floyd was thirty thirty kids thirty seven years old when he fought cannella that that perfectly fit with mike story story line seven switchover now don't blood. I'm running. I'm running to check that. I bet you bet was wrong and what you gotta do when i when i write when you write about the three calls may not get unlimited i never meant to see why do everybody knew who followed that name. They know us know what we mostly mccain geragos. I just looked at a grand. Look it up. I'm looking. I'm looking. Don't don't don't you read the check. They tell you chat right now. I don't care what the chat say chat. Don't have i have not. Everybody's telling you chat looked up. Mike mike i'm waiting for might look it up the money but taking so long man gotta chronic money. Tell me my thirty six thirty seven thirty seven. How might call me leon out. We know already out. You don't want said thirty seven. Don't don't try guy. Check the the shave numbers now. Do you actually say six thirty seven. You said everybody knows oh sally thirty six thirty seven. That's chasing over. He was thirty seven according can you. I ain't check it might check to have my thirty seven thirty six thirty six hundred thirty six thirty seven thirty seven you do you charlie hunnam older man record. I remember the argument. The argument was that you can't say a person is in the prom. Tom tom at at thirty because you just pointed out here four thirty he none of that that was the argument. That's that's what i'm saying me and chat admit thirty okay. The super tat said mid thirty minutes starts at thirty five and he goes up floyd loyd thirty sixty fifty fits right into the calculation but listen to me listening. That is my argument that mid thirties does is not distinguish a fighters prime because in-box yet no adult again again. Hey let let me ask you a question. What question i'm listening to how many athletes are boxes. Have you worked with how many working working in what fashion and we'll work with athletic swain like you were working on a mechanic working on physics. How many have you trained or even known how many i do. I look like a trainer. He's asking you that my point. I know it. I don't know we don't know you know i do you know. Do we know me. <hes> coach ray know me. They know me by first name. Last name looked like they know my phone. Number been my house. They know me. I'm no real golick. Would you tell them and they know the code so what you told me they coach. Larry way won't train old guy. I mean you know about your your prime years. It's only twenty thirty three study soda. Don't sam i'm not able to compete and that's fine my friend. I don't buy into that. I i see fighters. Who's everybody listening. Listen to me. I see fighters allegedly past their prime. Do you say they can do all the time. Nobody says they can't do that. Nobody says that you said that why thirty seven in my mouth tweeden backed. We saw just click on it. Just click on. You're probably all you gotta. Do is keep calling chant just like i had to because you rather you lexi. Oh everybody knows mississippi. Rachi affects no emotions. That's what i do. I love you who i love everyone. <hes> hey be happy man right but you said thirty six thirty seven so i don't see how i lost and because you have an opinion that doesn't agree with you one. We can agree to disagree exactly ah i'm sorry go ahead. I'm i'm going to what he said. He said he trained fighters and train aptly so he can see a fighters athletic prime athletically there they deteriorate as they get older. I mean does this coming this this carter vince carter could when he was twenty one at thirty one and at forty nine still playing those anybody can have the athleticism awesome that you had in his earlier days saying for kobe safer. Mike signed for me whether he wasn't asked quicken has to ask and he was when he was when he was thirty six thirty except math florida's the perfect example bre according to the <hes> he fought cannella at thirty six thirty seven you know how many years ago that was. You know how many other fighters he fought after that but he was not in his prime whatever man <hes> <hes> on that no just like pascal also wasn't in his prime living. I mean this. Is this man bernard hopkins. I wasn't in his prime. George foreman wasn't in his prime. Moseley wasn't in his prime when he beat margarito like dog. The amount of people the whole shit don't work in boxing it. Don't i mean he could say do you know because he sees the fighters muscles deteriorate. I get it but like they say knows another phrase and bison. Last minute goes to power but shot up to coach midi. He smells me miss the c._y._p. Is sunday aleksei prime aid to depend on the way class to who said that i ah waste notes not tend to carry the power they i mean those say they're heavyweights are in their prime at thirty thirty six at thirty six so i mean whatever borough like mccaw goes no <music>. No no no oh yes. Oh yes yes. Yes yes yes in vijay. The question of we call nine file karonga. Yell give me a call with did <hes> louisiana high salt on no i look i went back and look at the fight man. I worked. I gotta say <hes> yard had his best success when he didn't come out in the phillies shell. That's why i'd say he needs to drop this shit yo even when he did do the phillies sale in the shoulder roll he'd you'd never you'd never do like floor in catch it on his shoulder and come back and counter. He never did that. One time drop their shit and i really thought about this last night. The the only person not seeing the head a little success out of new generation fighters is mary mom and it's it's still working in where at least he knew how to roller shoulder kissed punch on the shoulder. Come back and counter <hes> one another thing too. I've seen on boxer seen that <hes> trout wanna come back down to one forty eighty seven man i any garcia what's wrong with that do man if anything he needed to be moving up to one sixty at his age been said and he he can make one forty seven brought. That's crazy. If you get a danny fight that's crazy because if danny wins we're gonna trot was drained. He needs a regular gala. We need like a jamal james fi at forty seven to make us believe. That's like a fight that nobody you know that nobody's thinking he's doing it for for for money. You know it's not as not for big name doing it. Because you really believe you could bang at forty seven yeah man this point. I <hes> do she'd be gone up does anything <hes> are staying at fifty. Four man still don't fight for him but <hes> it won't be fifty four another thing some shit piss me off yesterday met in my first engine. I've seen in texas last <hes> saturday. They had a show was called border wars. I hope you've got artistic. Copy written man new motherfuckers golden common phrase. That's been around man. No no boxing. I never heard of boxing using florida wars but no resolved border wars. Look shit up man. He might be able to get some change out of this shit. We'd only more off aww nobody said that. Phrase is is common for fighting. Boorda was as common here man. I don't know i didn't like that. See i look at the car. I was so pissed off like i ain't going given extra motherfucking fuse really yes yeah. She pissed me off though yellow but <hes> that's my call brother everybody have blessed no stress day and have a fresh week <hes> monday man gotta superjet from metro boxing the actual measuring because i went to the channel but it says that's how they'll so let me go out to enhance something like that. I don't know who maybe hand or or probably but i don't do that right now. How do you man i. I gotta catch aw man. I wonder should the last season six right last season. Now sees six started last night. I watched it a clark on his seem. <hes> first of all senior posts talk you come back to fifty fifty trey songz. I love him as one of my favorite rb sanger's we need. They're fifty on motherfucking intro. I lead them back on the intro shaw. Y'all nesbitt still material. Yes serious yagi unbelieva. These fucking clown ass niggers. They'd be mad because they can't fuck in because they saw when i say something you know what i'm saying like. I don't sit in phase. You're going to believe the do fucking videos. I don't don't steal shit nigga fuck and still nothing nobody in any outdoor on you to order wars way before i even thought about boxing the day may i'm definitely blessing heavy. Nobody man definitely blessed. Everybody be paul he would up. Would it be like what a mess man was was good which <hes> going going for like my whole worship almost brahma the punch out in a minute y'all baby we li- we all standing awesome out. We don't get week. We feel you bro. Hey hey look man anthony yaar. Yesterday i listened to the brother after he got done fighting. I listened to a lot of interview. Listen to tune day. Hey i gotta give him credit. I like anthony yards energy. I liked the fact that he ain't settlement for no moral victory. I liked that the word that came out of his mouth. He ain't win so he ain't happy <hes> i like that that's the difference between the two anthony. Anthony yaar seemed like a little bit more realistic than joshua but <hes> his trainer did his thank. Thank talked yourself into that talked him into that big fight. So you know that's legit. Hopefully you have a great career keeping moving get some american <hes> influencing that cat man and do a lot of spar. You feel me what about this canal. Oh shit. What isn't it nigga saying. He ain't got no good resume or what. What does people say a._m. L. he duck and he comes somebody. China igloo super tat said all them dudes bomb mm see golos field and chavez liam sniffs kirkland or all trash talk. I think that's a little extreme but at the end of the day my thing is is not always obese bro show. He obeys but <hes> we can't. We can't omit that the match making you know what i'm saying. Eh the timing but that don't mean that he ain't no bee's you know what i'm saying. Even though it is good matchmaking on some of this shit yo you see ya yes so hilarious. Meh <hes> the matchmaker common sold out in back the truck up to gennady so he can matchmaking get the tom he tried to but i could get it done because he'd say why. Why am i haven't tried to sign signed ninety point man. Let me all i'm saying is that that'd be that. Don't take away from being a beast just because he got good matchmaking again that is mean. He got a good team but i don't mean he no bitch. Now i mean he fought all bonds that is me. He got good matchmaker and the people they put in front of me whoop they ask impressively almost almost almost all of them so i give credit on that man but he ain't got no better resume to floyd yeah he did she younger than floyd beheld guitar pro younger to fly a lot of mexicans do do but canelo is definitely the best right now he'd been the best for a minute and <hes> give them credit man smashed. I'd like oh. Hey i got a young. A young boy to post host is lincoln and instagram. Many from my city man can yell rouser. He's gonna be turning pro november. We already turned pro first match in betrayed november. I'm a highlight you about an see if you you can get them up you spiral rejoice fisher and eight that but yeah smashed like man <hes> and and i agree with the pig <hes> t._v. Damn man i went to barbecue washed a whole baseball game tune back. We all still on this up. Pick over them. Oh no crow crow. Man are concerned. Certainly i keep telling my heater on the whiteboard picked the white boy he was he was a check checkmate moxie research aw big rig alexander take your day off and they list all our new elsa pick your and my jerry yar in under the guinea pig yard but he got his grow birch what was going on with everybody picking with their hearts man and we just wanted to assuming br i started it. Show coming on. I'll show it was no way against <hes> go go gives yard. I've been screaming live almost a a year and a half. I've been on the danger. See that's the difference you see you see when when when when thurman four porter i said no thurman going. You know what i'm saying like you. You can't just say porter going win because you rhyme reporter brian. Oh and i was and look. I was tight with them. I know that shit look i had i probably not picky out of it and i thought he was going. It wasn't that i thought i was going come on everybody souls you there is everybody told you don't care. It wasn't for you to care what people was telling. You is for you to go. See what people telling you for yourself but whatever you see huseyin you're picking embiid into different than you would think i cope with the only reason i that was a decision made man. Sometimes you gotta make that straight bed on money man. That's crazy though that there there really is a coach out there that tells us fighter that he don't need to spar for a fight man if that is true if that is <hes> low boxing social handled. I guess that thorough thorough interview only <unk> own that we need that. I can't even read one hundred. I really tough but i mean i don't know how you didn't see when colville folded with those body like you gotta be able to tell when your body you're right there. You're right there. In front of i mean come on agree bro well. I mean the fact that he can kill them in the third until i see them in the third round dying so it was like four round i should become now is like i said we chipping away. We break and instead. He takes he takes. He takes tom off man. You're that may whether fake shoulder rochat nick is do that. Shit the by. Tom man they tie you yo you. You fight a mexican with that style. It'll work you see him in. Even floor had to change it up with me. Donna man they find a way to get over the top on because you're not blocking doc in mcdonalds a detective. He got that mexican style training mexican chant fluids got got from uh a._m. G to hashtag around account. You guys thank adding can't puerto can improve your bills. The first thing that i thought about looking looking at yard is he's not a sham. Port is not as clear as jar but john porter does pack a lot of muslims. We see the engine in the danish imported pass. I just like that that that was the first thing that my mind maybe go train in the ken porter performance and just to get like better something like that but yeah that was i am brahma uncle on fan this nigga by he making right now he already ready made six so one of the yankees game is the yankee yup yankees damn an l._a. And he likes to take it out. Oh he won. He won seven fifty yo. He adds two innings left and he was already up five hundred. I don't know what type of and they do. It was like yo if i could take it out now or wait the two innings and win seven fifty and he just wanted to so. What are you doing ben arising around. I bet a lot though he bet five hundred off like that. 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Good Morning Niner Empire 11/11/2020

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01:36 min | 5 months ago

Good Morning Niner Empire 11/11/2020

"Buddy this is jamie from nine hundred five radios good morning niner empire. Let me tell you about our sponsor graphics monger they are keeping your business from going extinct turning ideas into reality with their graphic design. Team your source for custom logo designs apparel decals end more. Don't wait any longer graphics. Munger at three six zero four six zero eight five to six or go onto facebook complained them at graphics. Munger also if you mentioned nine hundred for radio you get a ten percent discount. Thanks so let's get onto the show. Good morning then our empire. My name is jamie. Today's november eleventh. Two thousand twenty. Let's get into the forty niners much actual news regarding the team. They're enjoying some time office desperately needed. There's an announcement at the. Nfl has said that if they have to cancel some merkley susan games due to covid and other situations. There could be eight playoff teams. This is good news for the forty niners who will still have a slim chance to make the playoffs. And as it for your four hundred news. They should remain. Show nine hundred hundred radio on youtube every year. Podcasts also check out ninety fifth heredia dot com for Numerous such dropped thinks it has always remained faithful.

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CONCERNING FALSE BRETHREN

IMMANUEL CONRAD PODCAST

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CONCERNING FALSE BRETHREN

"Appreciates you for this. This side of disability to get into your words to be to be to be upgraded to be distracted and righteousness into elated. The way we should go are ready for all that have made ready for us. Jesus name amen. Maybe way in the last month of the amazing twenty twenty. It's been a year a whole families for others. To the lowliest defends the way you with those functions in the word of god. What notice for those who have the of this work what it all has to do with foundations. The foundation of the is shore cannot be shaken. Anything that is based on the system of is sinking. No matter how beautiful you may writes it will in seoul as we prepare ourselves for the company when he to aradio ourselves to be more than just shutting lights but as the people that get to be cities appointees to light up a road. Something that ignorance is these like his ignorance. Of course fleming sticking to at least Rights have six looking at school without. Make sure you get somewhat is because you have an opportunity. I tend to knowledge. And you don't pay attention. You'll pay me for for that lighter note will give you your ignorance. Life will not forgive you for your ignorance. I said is more costly better knowledge because to acquire knowledge. One this do look for and he's matz something that he's had defied one soon extended with value. Whatever that may be one to pay attention and exercise himself Discipline to benefit from that knowledge but for ignorance you pay nothing for getting you get to pay for keeping be maybe with your own life. Maybe your own failure on supposed scriptures. My people perish for lack of knowledge. You say the actually paid for the they have paid for the reason their life is like this because ignorance has taken so much knowledge. What take much wouldn't alleged checks from you. You don't need to take some of the pie but what ignorant six takes. I didn't never taking and never never given back until you go. For knowledge. and then they have to ignorance the ignorance which is a lack of knowledge and then there is a ignorance injection of so for the latter the president's ignorance because he doesn't want to walk up to the knowledge. We should go to the book of hosea. Chapter full rather seeks chapter fullness. Six my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. There is something that they have. That is a reason for the dissection. He says look at this kind of ignorance about this. Because has rejected knowledge. I will also ridiculous now has rejected knowledge so much was interested that they rejected ignorant because they've never had existed knowledge ignorance because they have never accepted knowledge. If you're ignorant because you have never obsessed what you need to nullis but if you're ignorant because you rejected the right knowledge avoid for deception. What you'd need many 'nother you have to emily. Your be that little thing that we need to elaine. Twenty twenty one not be different from this. If we don't have late something have for our videos. Continue to the which change. But if we don't change they'll be no change in the didn't say my people perish because of this consensus. They've people perish. Because of the on the mac people perish because there's no one to help them. People perish because the deputies against the no usage because of something that they have because of the ignorance perishing. Now how's it up by suit individual churches because of ignorance that rejection of knowledge of others didn't have because of ignorance. You want a son. That's the overall ease mentioned the unorganized structure organiz albany's malignancy medecin with head with hands with lakes with different members is not a social. I seen that in most guesses what be called. Judge is not chech- in this crypto of the words because there is the old man there is not divine order when gods mosey sit to eat that when you go into butte tap on the dunes. According to the pattern. I showed the chech- should also be balanced. According to the patents. Who's so we have seen that many people move from treasury church denomination to denomination fellowship the fellowship because they have no ideal site idea what a judge is supposed to be how they churches supposed to look like how churches opposed to ever been to a place where the pasta sued to view individual the church and people go and shows you the never understood what it is in who would ease that. He gets summed up to seek against me in the church. Would but i believe this to see what authority god has given to the past. Have you read this just to see how a church is supposed to handle discipline. Not many have read the scriptures when their way the bible of many in funding of letting it don't read their by this the read. This book read. google news. Media buys us. Many people don't see unfortunately that don't the only thing the thoughts of others and they are. Those are the things they are thinking. They're not like that guy who rigid thinks he knows something but what he knows is nothing over by way is about it. Makes you think you know something. When need not just say you. Ignorance you to be wells. He'll tied you'll monday. you'll open tendencies. Maven review of your own. Potential is more dangerous than lack of knowledge at rome. Teaching is that way many. Don't read many and those who do the wrong. Things listened to the wrong things. How do you know how do you know. Somebody is not listening to something. Correct their lives. Your life is a reflection of india in this. That many christians are living room is because the ability monroe. And if only because what. We all have product Over the lessons that we have. And but when pastor talking about stands up and sees a him like that some people would run away. Pour talked about these days. How people will want to be told what new ones absolutely back when people comfortable constantly. We've the deals hearing what they have made up their minds to not because they wanted to to say what is right there. Like ballad before god was made up his mind. I talked to pasta. You did talk to the past the show with you might not get the mind. Was your opened the full who is given to whatever the wants to do. Not because it's the will of god but because the wonderful balance the boards. They have promised be seat. Will these prophecy. Should i go. The heredia is big. This is the financial miracle in playful. Because they don't go and then give you. Could you went back to good say. But they are gathered. The elders in this very important person dongle since the money's good said go you'll think that every time deals you go it means sometimes what sixty according to what your because knows until you will not do what he wants to do. He would look because because and when you look at s- relationships you see what i'm talking about. Miami's not asking for direction. Considering these he has made up his mind and they been one not the one is urine from including good himself his mind she has been seen people move from church. Leaders church masters married. Apostasy this critical to chef. How is charlotte and experience benefit of this shit shots. The the list of really. You want to exterior once you've go to follow the shut. I you must that on your life belongs to evening putting your decisions. Secondly huma more sh goal. Wait until you go. You do what it tells you to do you in the cool because your you go to the because my mona deputies i know that the enemies who my my shepherd has spoken avocado. No you will never. You will never lead me way you so the presence of my enemies. The party of the shuttle you'll be able to. You will not lead me away. You keep my soul but no we have muslim as loud. We have not shepherd we have gone but we are not to charge funding difficult. I'm fortunately many of us have become the loads we tempted to lady. I'm going to. This is what i want to make. Sure your lordship. And because of this is not oval miracles in your life before jesus christ school feeds five thousand men. Women should be counted this mic. The mace fifties in hundreds or must be happy shits before this but much looking experience before goes very sadness. You wouldn't go quick and you should know that when he was not saying. Let there be this up for you minutes before knitted something that will help. Bring whatever you want. It in place was pointed in a death. Sentence was ticketed from the desert planted in a gun in was a denies environment. Wants to people in a will organize church the church what it it will never. We are not meant to be a fun. We have mentioned will. Fence got well. What a garden with different flawless. That complement in a row spots. And that's what the bible goes. Landlords got his finance and sold children develop dessus to be able to distinguish between the right and room. That is they oppose to unfold by every of doctrine. To don't know what is rights from what israel come to the different from the alleged false untrue prompted the cocktail false brethren red vindication. So since we're talking about a city on a daily talking about horse river using tim another ship you should see the differences between the different animals. That ship against leeds. You'll see that the ship it has sheet. He also has now. You see considering. The shittiest is my. Here's my voice. The voice of strangers they will not follow but for lance the lumps. The voice of the lam's follow the shut by following the but some old she shooting some wolves so you may call them for shit or force breath they are funded the fold to data problem the last before she you also have gone. He the difference between a gordon. he's at a sheep. All those at goods needs to be followed basis awake or the shepherd before now. You've you got some forty you'll have to follow the goldstone follow voice. You have to use the you controls and suddenly you also have the the judge. They are side by the instruction. And we're going to do this. Did good to have to go in the opposite direction. It is auto. The wolves will mislead the lions is okay not to follow the voice of the show because they have an agenda they want to excel. One can get this up. Because i can see the look of concern on your life. Listen the to this. Is that because of false perfect relations to if not because of rain fall. It's someone tells somebody i know you. Way prophets foresee joe's was plastics but scripture talks about four. You think the part of you on paper you can call them. Perfect rather system. You'll break together as look. Yeah he says because force breath s protein. So he's it when they get the game. The nasdaq they do not announce themselves that they were forced the kidney. We have brought some calm. Because of your invitation they killed because of subsidy that's fucking something that i was was aligned with the desirous so so you say i'm aware of who came in privately to stay out our liberty which we have in christ jesus that the might bring us for for poses the kennedy acting like what you but they were just starting out what you can the spags spying out on seinfeld our message that they can see how this that's the brunet's into bonnie now into the damage you should see what this judge there rectangle to the point that relationship the food is one you'll be amazed poised speaking to these people. Is this who you these well. Why does but how they'll become fools. He's wasp wish functioning like people who are being sold by other demonstrate through your begun in this you know wanted to been defended in the flesh tells you they have become flesh there become known why. Because of some people can mean judas. They call them what they knew the poor because it's not to deceive. He must be very close to the truth. Is leading deception. Paul says abcd poise wrong. This is the right way. I mean took the toward the that for you to be to decrease chips. You must be concise. you must bicamumbaka moses. Have to like that you sit. This will increase. Tell the because the crystal four days so these are people join the church not for the movie of clients but for the own. I'm aware that there's some people who are forced not intentionally but because they've made themselves available to the weekend and for their tuesday why i told you. Ignorance is a very caustic. Because when you are ignorant the inundating us when you have mother's good news citing to show yourself approved as a witness mode need to be ashamed rightly dividing through. That means that god wants us. May on the women would wait. Can you imagine the devil us. He used him to attack the vision of the judge. Jesus but jesus was deserving enough to see that the news that was being given that give me but how many of out that. This is deborah talking to because he might have except to sit for. Would you expect they wanna just you. The would of went now. Bobby from you that you should text your side in rebukes to be able to tell but this luton is room with his voice another waste which is so you see that the force brethren they present a false image in order to at image of bologna. Why such things. Imogen you could become suspicious anybody using the house now ditching useful that you get the name descendants wrong. Let's make something at twenty twenty-nine excellent of it's twenty. Not for this. I know all. Oh for. I know these after my depicting shall green bus loose anytime in among you saw what. They're scared because they're not sure. But after my depart brunch group also and let me tell you something the devil's work. A plan is saudis changed and when we educate ourselves in this we know how to. He's still my patent charlotte grave wolves bass. Fish s is the money not the folk. They'll come do not folk span the also ove your own sales shall meant speaking pepsi's why to our disciples after is this is after go dude rights. They'll seeking penalties twenty things to what we have been teaching so that they can gain in following from among. Why do they want to follow him. What what district to follow them that has been given. There is a that has been you know that has safe for the people. Go to follow at yet. These people are at to this the house. And this and why. This two disciples after himselves. These are the that make other city don't belong here. You're part of the church at is sitting. You know you you you. You beat beak crates. Don't understand you. Nobody does your coney know you. I know you future clients. Then the business begins would've last detail such as the less advice for your mother told me this is my brother. Here saw two good. Give me a vision. Supposed to be a minimum of his rational judge. What is doing is here. So bloomberg apple says description. Speaking to our disapper what the following of the zika occasion of the season. They don't all the field. Like you know if i am dead. Aside the head out to the insecurity that makes people be infected selfishness. You and then we see people left is one. We all not to what to brother. That likes to you like that but never these you follow the leadership of the church. You are listening to a force. If that's what you're this doesn't matter that you fail another power. Sending sitting d for the department was people come continued dope and you have to talk to you. Talk doing the suspects they did it. They couldn't talk which bible shoot the sweet open for fifty subject to the profit whatever us companies linked to seek witnesses means that would the pseudo good is living. Amanda mandir is older. his mother's pseudo confusion. May you may be. The lease ended up in the workplace. Leave your way for batteries. Performs is the second is the way he doesn't work and he sees one of his to keep the judge for focused on. Google wins so the chicken orcas dealing with internal matters dealing with low debt is locally so the house and so the doesn't get to be normally happens with the us to play. You'll find that the church will grow. Maybe richardson the number stops. Why because something else. The bible tells us that the number of the disciples was it was division until the visuals growth was going to be offended and sometimes ministers to most on the how windows when people are beasley to judge. When the lord's is adding to the church the bible tells us something about he. The but each sheet. Besides you turns what does not you ship is grudge. The troubled waters lino so the chai for the units of the church. The unity of the faith the unity of the vision or my foot those photographs with been technical not to believe what they selling them to those intruded into offices will never give it says have cole code into not place. The bible sees he counted me. Faithful putting me into the ministry. He never been content Putting the fact that you are cold as london european place you see their citizens should be handled by the you know the pasta. Who data kisses to the pass. Otherwise you might end up becoming the issue. I am thinking about. Should i marry social Rather the but what is know. What do we want they pray about bashar cuttack about according to the vision that i have also is good for you but sister thoughtfully is the board and said they'd better says okay but this. What's the procedure. You got to the pastor before he will be finalised so when the person goes to the pasta house. Emit up mind. This is the will of someone to marry. So-and-so pasta knows more about soon so that that because he has been set over the judge that has been sit over the he may have been sick. I did that you are set over. The league does not mean. You know what you're just. And i've seen some speak from some trim. Winged was their mind is made up become be a good thing if it is used in the terrible thing if trump will be the wrong things in other cases the pastor stunned by the pseudo good. We're going to festival three days. Then this talks about that You know what. I think you would do you do your own. The judge is not a place way. Man should behave anyhow votes in these woods that you may not be in the house of wood. Which is the crowd that kilo. I speaking to somebody some of the things that we're going to hear that will have to allow to change. Somebody's need to is about you until the you you special. Yes but as you have mentioned software special this a shepherd peer groups bing whatever. Shift that ashish by we follow those who are following the ship about shop at billion for the price physically resort romance. Maybe before we go to romans philippians message the next to shoprite. Quite what of the things that make optimus is difficult to shave because one somewhere s decided and that is what leads from this little good never to share in with especially to someone hasn't mistake orbit i say aftermath. It's obviously look at verse. Two let's revisit to get to get a weightless did you. Just michael is be of the if you have dogs that Courts three this on your. He says beware don't the bible. Beware don't be aware of not talking about jefferson in boondocks noise about people and then you see when you see that the will not trying to your bills outside so paul is a to. This check is church. Then he puts this on the church. We're of dogs so you want to be see how just simple because again and then people will start saying forgiveness yet. Practice forgiven. Don't back because instead of gifts but then he starts warning difference would be of will will dogs dust in this church in the body of christ the dukes. They have dogs. The people what posing to be sheet cities built us. It tells us food is is beware of four weeks so he's not dealing with the who didn't people you can identify some of these sites. Skip jesse's do nothing with marries by a they'll have to they'll back at anybody that is moving you you try to make progress setting the lawn to a dog. The like setting to be correcting. You not been saying has ended awesome to have us rather into the getting discouraged. You dogs by by themselves. Sometimes they'll get back with a win these in noise. That don't make don't you off minnesota. The organize just joined the cheese. We have been loom before she kept. That's why bought his way of come adults be waiting for you have comforted suspending. Don't be don't be moved. Don't run away but you don't go back with from ways you'll get from everyone. We cover june the house of goods then the judge if when peasants joins us to be perfect. Church is perfecting. People predicted the outdoors to us. There are those who use because of the ignorance because of their selfishness and they are those that he just doesn't he owns he to and it is the mission the mission of the church. Beware of dogs. we will ever witnessed. Beware of mischief. Like we'll second corinthians eleven to use ingredients a. I used to ask people. What is the church the so so so for all because of insult about. The dog is not about them back about them. Going to go back to cut. Tacoma barry the go back to their vomit and so a destroy second peter chapter two this read about them. So you see that i am speaking from without. He's actually script justin teeth and the voice of the scriptures voice of the lord eyelid reading through Of this nine the lot knows how to deliver the goodly out of them. Bishops and to reserve they unjust under the deal. Judgmental be punished. So you see. He's resisting them. There is not now these deal punishment. So he's he's resisting the unjust and to the deal to be but typically them that after the flesh in the last one cleanness and despise does what despise advice governments despise leadersh- presumptious at the self winds. I would love to do whatever they wanted to do it if they want to to be done if they are taught to do it the theirself. They're not afraid to speak evolve. Say many of your business trip to speak for over the god appointed leaders because he's in the house of what it is. Good points beat us with like other nations that are points deducted himselves no good points leaders of over history this one. I'm afraid you should be afraid of in about a week to speak against the someone can raise the senior idea in office. The office of the house of god escaped from that. Because what you do that you trouble right. Now he's not afraid to speak. Dignities look was eleven whereas jails jails which are great empower in might bring not railing accusation against him before the laws says angel. Very angels at they choose the dads to fleet this. All these as natural brute beasts match to be taken and destroy nhs speak of all the things that they understand notes if you dig defined acted that they don't even penalty number this evil of things that do not understand shall atari perish on or option and show received a reward of shiftless. I said that county pledge to riots in the daytime. The pleasure to live. We aren't doing there. Were eye oats winner. Is it riot you you don't do it alone. You need to address. So you'll find that. God thanks to do this week. But the people didn't understand how comfortable we have so many members of the church with subway. Blakely michael savage out some people rioted. You didn't open the inboxes. I think we'll just. We'll just say that we we busy wakey doing this. Sports the and blemishes sporting themselves with their own cities while the fifty having is full but doubt and that cannot cease from c. beguiling on semo source. Is it the kind of the ago civil so's i'm hat. The habits size with vicious practices. If i said this of a manual saved. I'm a difficult minister. But he calls a guest house. Vote his children which second have been the right way. This is for second the right way in gone three following the way obama banner is going after money going after advantage profits osama bozo who the wages of isis his rebuke for easy the damn speaking with voice for bid the madness of the prophets. These are wills without what they called them. Kissed you to in wales without crowds. That are carried with the tempest womb. The midst of darkness is forever. But when the when the speed glitch swelling words of the allure through the last of the flesh through much one onus those that we have clean escaped skipped from them will leave in era vis nine hundred together on goal is as they promised them liberty. Six doing to the president you. You said submissions of michigan. You did this and this. Is the person you expecting to be submitting. And he's telling you this your knitting. You never shy. You will never make. It has to start your own week. There are many people today who have ministries that are not recognized. Listen study the bible. He says the chick of the visible which apple juice reduced at reggie societies that. I'm interested in heaven because they were living. Some people will be punished on that deep for stepping judges couples because of forced principles. Do some of the breath don't speak with modern. Their the begin to promote the brand oprah promote this careful as a pastor doesn't give you the one. The one was always been there for me when i visited me when people have money. You give me money and now the system begins to few big edits. So i can take care of these people more than the and yet. That's this is a medium many more. She's excision of the head of the whatever she was doing but because she did not do how should misled and was misled by those things. So let's look. This is wow. The promised them liberty their themselves of the seventh of action. For a man is overcome of the sam is brought in bondage lucas twenty-foot if after the skeptic peruse of the wounds through the knowledge of the lord and savior jesus christ. The again entangled darren and of a calm. The end is voice within than the beginning for had been better for them to have known the wolf righteous then after we have known each to ten from the commandments. David onto them to look at it as being of dogs but it is happened unto them. According to prevent the dog is tinged to his own vomit again and this saw that was washed to wallowing in demand. They've been into the subscription. Is this been speaking and you see. The shepherd is always in front because that's supposedly the ship before. The shepherd is leading goods that he has to be behind ship but while he's sitting in fronts san jose president doing something to the by the ship ship the county. She has some that allows a wolf halloween fiscal second. Corinthians eleven. study for this one. Here you see. Paul making a face for himself of his coney because he had an emotion at this church it it was just force was also apostolos what reason second corinthians eleven worried some posters had risen in this church all himself on pasta so they said it is opposed to become a posters. They adele themselves. You know and took over and started living people and they made it their mission to teach people the opposite of whatever port puts them and wrecked havoc in the church. This so much up to the point that whenever they whenever would rights to then they'll go give me impatience success. Mike talk to you can imagine the pain of this of to have. I mean he planted this church in all you know. He spent one year six months. Twist misjudge a very busy man churches in different places but when he was dealing with this church is sped one year six months. Then you moved to other places and then reports started coming of what was going on when you study festival indians. You'll be amazed at the things that were happening discharge. There was confusion. There was division even those who have said poking apollo scheme of so now that we have listened to a. We have for those who said no way of teaching pizza. We're we're focused on then. There are those who wear cellphone fused this. We ended up women the forgiveness we're for christ's and so to address these matters in chapter one. It begins with him talking about their reporting from the house of clone. From go there. Was somebody fifty enough to report. What happened and you can imagine those days. They didn't have instant messages. Have to send a letdowns. There was no video or what's up phone. Calls messages would be same five lettuce at pistols to be written festival indians and a lot of these books were not because the offer sought this book. Will bliss people know it was a way of communication communicating with people were afoul. F- how do i deal with these. Put it in writing and send it to some of their writings. Were because pocono with the people. He was in prison but his message was not in prison. Brought kids when you started. I is this. Is this a jewish. What we've seen confusion usual. Because the deal with this he tells them that usually always don't wisdom is wrong aware that these wisdom gourd heat from the conditions of the ward onto our global. That you're supposed to function by this wisdom wisdom amanda chore but mature your base rising one-two-three. He says if anyone among us into the war is let them become that he says look blurry not main don't boast about poor don't boast about campus don't about follows. Is this thing whether poke or give us the world or dental things president of things to come off your idea. Christ's is don't belong to you. We have been given to the church and all these material things they've been given to the church in chapter four he says i'd like to do not to share but as a father of six years my children. You may have ten thousand actors at may have instructed. You become happy instructed you but you have one in the loans. And i have given to you through the temperature for this reason. I am sending you timothy. Who should come and remind you my way which being the which i take the churches in dealing with this happening does this issue this issue prop up. Some people are saying this is this. Is chris airman. A member of the church slept with his got. His mouth stepmother. Knows if you're the lead but i did. This was a church. He says this kind of seed is not even mentioned among men he says. Are you with when this happens. How come you not difficult. This one to the vein to the different ways. Chris poisoning us. This is how close works. Chris does not permit seen grace is not licensed for empowerment above see. The bible says that race that bring us all vision of peer to have four of the nine gordon. This wildly lasts then. It begins to deal with these. Michael you said. I wanted to the meeting in that meeting. I'll be present in the spirit by the paul. Who did this one. We're going to buy into the as a little bit. We'll do church gives new dell fended their run to the world. they don't judge who deliver his one. Deva we're giving you a mission to deal with is one in six years with other issues. You know what issues whether they were taking each other to some of them are issues to do with it debts mats and so they'll take each other to court and then when they come to them talking to each other because they have they have caught issues pasta says your when they would go together to forget it. Don't do anything. They have caught issues to writes and said you the same boon to judge angels. I don't know whether this just so if you're going to judge those the world are you to judge moore. That's why tech's actions. Mondays the nonbelievers while of deal with them within the within the tech. These montesinos is how some some christians who take christian mattis to now christian people council using that chapter seeks. You see him talking about fornication that you the tip of the students to leave in your body the price because some of them is. According to words was very it was happening was happening in these those prostitution. In those days there was so much and some of the brethren you know where going to prostitutes so he told them he said. You're going to join the tip of the whole situation way that you become one student hanging aware that your coopting the temple is destroys the temple of the holy spirit gaudi's toy where you are lending judgment talks to them louis. Five good you're to the price. Chapter southern navy begins to explain further. He tells them you is. Your passion are taking says martin that he also notices that there was also issues amongst the mallet people in the church. They have issues there. Are those defrauding one. Another of those manage privileges. So is one way that when you marriage you of your body's not use what. Am i aware that when you married your body's not yours is don't do fraud one another except with called sates that you may give yourself to prayer and fasting and they live in that. You're not long before you come together. Then he goes back but didn't we singles because there was a lot of issues it might be leased. It's just one. We're not even going to the second corinthians fest koreans and it begins to deal with this. There were those saying. You know if i am in christ the creature that includes my marriage my own. My marriage is pasta with leaving. the living. there has been living had to write to them. You know that if you don't you know you believe in chris yet that you can save your unbelieving spouse wanted then. He reminds them how they're supposed to be serious in winning souls and setting the lower because it is running out it tells that those who are single to be busy to be single in seven gold. Single-minded it's is because when you a moment you care about the little things to please your spouse in chapter eighty dues with food over to either because that was issues brethren where being offended some people just love to eat too much you know what in those days because corden had so many temples and simple. I do temple symbols for idle wishing see so when their families would have a wedding wedding will be in the temple for idols and then The food which was offered to idols was the food that they were good. Some christians will go at it. And then paul vote as it is nothing wrong. Nothing wrong with you idiot. But not everyone. Has this knowledge. So if you if you did this old at some of these seats you do that. Their conscience will be default. Then it'd be some principles to see without walking collect. These is if what you do. Another brother to stumble than it is wrong. And if you seen against the church against is going in chapter nine you see mcginn. Defending himself opposed to. She talks to them about he deserving or having sedan rights as an postal who was to what is own chat for plans in mind not because they said look at this guy brazil. You're reading chapter ten days. Issue with division issue explains to them about what happened in the old testament and the symbolism of what happened how the allies were destroyed. They destroy continues with that deals with the issue of head covering because that was an issue that shirt and then he says after too much about this natural things so sending spiritual themes. I don't want you to be ignorant chapter. Twelve from this one king james is. He's in the original gift is not there so he's doing things so talking to them about gifts but then the infacy in chapter twelve is not the gifts is unity is trying to show them. It is one steroids wants to. You may be prophesying but it is once you may be giving another just one spirit. It is gold who has set some to be apostles some to be prophets. Some to be you know in this office in that office. We have met saw different so that we can complement each other's not so that we could compete with each other. That's the emphasis of the toke says. Let me show you the most excellent way. It's not enough to gifts follow after success. Piece out lava by base. How pick out enough to these central time. This church say it would administer showed them these gifts that you have a temporal by love chapter fourteen. You brings on considering because that was a big issue. Some people will preaching intense imagine. Oh these minutes. You've been listening to me and i was doing was at bear. Iskoe funny about you. Bring somebody to judge the breaks down. They're lost so you said you must seek to defy matters you are of spiritual gifts says you must desire to be that's assizes in order order the fifteen this confusion consenting resurrection because those are confused were those being taught that there is no resurrection from the date and so forth. This is an attack on the entire message. We preach because without direction chrysler motorist when the outreaching is. Your faith is to took an opportunity to talk about the rapture. What will happen during the rupture in chapter sixteen incomplete. So now we come to second jets. And i wish i could take your chapter by chapter as i have. But you second corinthians you're still dealing with some of these so in chapter eleven because of time let me just keep to a pats that i wanted to show you how this man went through so much praise alleluia. Let me from the seven hiv. I have. I committed an offence in a busy myself that you might be exhorted because i have preached to you go spill good freidy stealing the general that it is me a busy. Meisel humbling myself. That are you the ghost written and the way of that we want to go issue of us do have you. Does this description i other. This was speaking. I had wrote the other judges taking wages. Into what is he. Trying to say is selling them. When i came to do receive anything for me whatever i needed other jefferson because i knew that if i took anything from you use that to fight my ministry. He says and when i was present with you in wanted hours chargeable tacoma for that which was lacking to meet the brethren which came from his adonia lights. So when i was with you couldn't even take anything from you. Couldn't even joe and could because you use that against this was a difficult schedule so received from other branches to continue with some people think oh poor did was to make known to shows as he did mon received he had to make sense when you started this because he knew that if he's not in business they will not accept his message for feted making and selling tense instead of doing the work. Now praise the lord a ha and then we skip to twenty this twins. Safa if a man nowadays is what you suffocate means. You allowed this you suffer. If among green unto you man bring you into bondage if amount devour you montek of you it might have sought himself if a man smiles on the faces as you are allowing mine comes among you to bring in bondage. You allow you. He himself over. You is sending reproach as though we had been week. How each is this win so ever any is board. Speak foolish they bruce. Lee mind that israelite for your mind at this seed of abraham soy mine. The ministers of christ our speakers. I am more lebas more pundit in stripes above measure in prisons monthly queant in death of of the jews. Five times received. I forty stripes. Sev one thrive bitten with runes. Once was i stones fries and suffered shipwreck a night of the day. I have been in the deep in janis often. Impedance of what us it varies over. Robots influenced by my own countrymen values by the heathen embarrassing the city berries in the wilderness imperious in the sea. And then look at the last that in belarus man foes many things. Some of my from. Now that'll make you understand why you drive to people like timothy and in my. Because he had four. He says that suffered so many four so the fall river. Look at it when you become a church of judas. today you'll see a little visiting you even reading the news a member a member of this church field that this is what the pasta de accusing the and that everyone believes if remember how that is and you see in some cases the diesel but in most cases it is it is a force brazil. Living out such information so that the weight can be frustrated. This the devil is his keys plans. How do i explain. Remember sending ballots would not kiss of these wrote. They have to come up with another study. We should these women to to the judgmental cub. The devil is. How do we bring them down. If we attacked their finances normally we do have visited the devos's listen some people to be. I may bring them into punish new year. Some of them will go. Some of them will never go. I june to ninety today so when we come next week. I talked to you about something else i to ninety then went out from as the we are nonetheless. That is the one who leaves There's something wrong with them. No there are people who just they didn't belong here. he's for. They went out from us. But we're not vast for had been of there would no doubt have continued with us but they went that they might be made manifest that we are not they were not all of us as the ministry he says so that it could be revealed that they were not part of the missing join says nobody who is out of the ministry. These days says anybody who leaves leaves. You were not in the business that may have acted as but doing that romans. Sixteen seventy two eight inch of outdo treat resident. So we're teaching us because we're not gonna chase and admiralty any form when he avenue seen some longtime but this is a kitchen to open your eyes shopping you'll tools of the segment so that in case somebody comes to you privately. Try and do this misleading. Because they time is short. Need to be focused on the assignment. Give us focus can be didn't fish. 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Because the last that voice that this and what tweet read it to me one to what in end avoid them avoid them that some people would into me putin studio the must be avoided. Why should they be avoided because they are contagious. Sneezes mock void pollinating that. Get that distance that you were best friends from glitch to. He says if the caused visuals if the offensive on twenty to the doctrine we laid says macaroni void them. he's their that ask sach saved. Not you may see. The very busy city is not save our lord. Jesus christ but they're all very. They're serving their belly their appetites he says i'm by way i'm fast pitch to see there. Your heart is multiple you. So he's might avoid them is in church. Yes is it the good goodyear's second three six average it quickly. It says withdraw yourself from every brother or sister that works that that means when when you see them. Hello if you will on the ccc coming in. This direction was his tenure elegant avoids. Are you working in love. Yes this is love. According to who you know another begins to condemn you can be doing that. It's not lab. Love means that you are no matter. What the scripture doesn't say skip justice the people you'll have to laugh for you don't have to be close to them. Loved them from a fund avoid alleluia. Avoid them on. What's up on physical. Piss him raise if you abundancy needs to ask the acid to give you another because it might disturb your while. You're getting listenable doing something. They're busy on the phone. Using writing notes chatting with. And then you want destructed. You miss your miracle void goods machiavelli and pray for them but that could make grunting because what is coming for the worse. He's jackman zip mental punished right there then sometimes good such like an but this is the people you wanna punish them until that so they may be no sign from god that this was going the wrong direction apart from the script is even given to be wise. Beware of for now. 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Gloria Marmolejo

The First Degree

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Gloria Marmolejo

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Hey guys, welcome to the first degree the true crime podcast that you might end up on. My name is Jack Vanak. I'm sitting next to Billy Johnson and across from Alexis linkletter. And if you guys didn't know we're going to be at crime con next month June seventh through tenth in New Orleans. And if you guys want to come, you can get ten percent off your badges with our code degree nine teen. The Bill is going to be doing some other shit, not with us because he's a traitor, but he is going to be wearing matching signing hotel gear with. Against his will even though Jack agree to it when she was drinking. And now is having second thoughts, but it's too late. I agreed when I was drunk because it seemed like a good idea, but I know they're going to be really Janke items of clothing, and I'm shaker than that. But, you know, maybe we'll have a shining hin or something like abo-. All right. Let's get into our case on the morning of July twenty fifth two thousand nine Julia Serano was sitting in her El Paso home, and it's situated in a quiet cul de sac in youthful neighborhood, in El Paso, in suddenly, she heard knocks at her door. And when she opened the door, there were two men were the sons of our next door neighbor, fifty four year old Gloria marmolejo. The older son was named Manny. And the younger son was named David David live next door with his mother, who was missing. Manny lived in Phoenix Arizona, the mania driven to El Paso, after not being able to reach his mother for days. My name is Julie Serano. I live in Texas and Loria marmolejo was actually my neighbor. She was a right across the street from me. I've lived in full, the fact for about twenty plus years. My Marcus, you want a have you. For me. I'll pay the. Always smiling like solo say, hi very friendly with everyone. Well, in Florida, like with their on she pretty much issue my alone efforts, and Vancouver spun gave him a man with her. She had like you know what you have a feminine those over here. We have family, so she was never a little. If not for the fact that you kind of pretty much know what everyone's doing or whatever was up to that. I like my mom is mentioned, you know that you haven't seen our next neighbors, Loria marmoleum home. And you know, things on for fight like a few months. So it would be only person, I was outside David normal on or famous. And then you have like, like it was always I don't, I'm not sure if it was like that he has around, or if it will like cousins, there was always kids, like it was there's was silly family. Okay. So back to the day Manny and David marmolejo came knocking on Julie's door became knocking out the door. And it was Gloria are fund Davis. And it was also another one of her older son, and be full payment, and they were not looking for their mother, you were asking if we've had any information, and if we feed her older brother, you can tell they will have been crying all they really. You know what they really quite fee. It was he was the one who was in the backseat didn't say anything. He wasn't asking question for block his bomb. It was more his older, brother, and he will go into. He was interacting with a more like kind of seeing him. He seemed a little over. So Gloria is missing and a little bit of background about her. She was fifty four years old, and she essentially raised her two sons by herself. So she was married previously, but that marriage ended in nineteen seventy nine and she was left alone to raise her son, David, who has nine years old, and Manny junior who is thirteen their father traveled a lot. So he never really ended up being in their lives after the divorce David and Manny were really close growing up, but their age difference and it's ended up separating them as they got older. And Gloria had a different relationship with each of the boys, she showed her youngest son David, a lot of support. He needed more attention. So the family ended up catering to him a lot more than Manny junior. And in two thousand and two glorious ex husband remarried and his new wife had two children of her own a teenage boy, and a ten year old girl named Mariah. Now, the boys were adults at the time this happened, and they were about to start families of their own and David had been in a relationship since middle school. And he eventually married this middle school sweetheart named Laura. They immediately start having kids. They have four total. But by two thousand six David said he wanted out of their relationship, and because he had sort of gotten married so quickly. He never really had another girlfriend. His eyes start to wander. He leaves her any moves to Hawaii, and for for a while. And then he also goes to Phoenix before landing back at his mom's place in El Paso. Right. And meanwhile, is obviously information and background info about them spanning decades. You know, this is just a kind of overview about this family. But Gloria meanwhile started new chapter retiring after twenty seven years of working really hard to support this family has single, mom, and after she retired. She sensually moved to Phoenix to be closer to her older, son. Manny and his wife Jennifer in there for kids. So she was really splitting her time between Phoenix and Paso. And glorious plans were to open a daycare with manny's wife. Jennifer, they had a really amazing relationship, and they both loved children. This is something they were going to pursue together. So that's the background info on this fam-. So let's get back to the fact that Gloria is missing in retrace the days leading up to her disappearance, so on Saturday, July twenty fifth two thousand nine Gloria was in Phoenix and decided to head back to her home, in El Paso, her son. Manny tried to get her to stay with them. They're going to the lake with his family, but she declined and decided to continue with plans heading to L Paso. She drove off in her red Honda SUV, and she was set to arrive in El Paso, at five pm based on when she left. Manny started calling his mother that evening to make sure she arrived. Okay. And he called her a bunch of times. But there is. No answer. And he ended up calling his brother David, and asked him if he saw his mom David said that he saw her when she got in, and he helped her bring her bags inside and told many that everything was normal, his mama's fine. And he left to go meet friends after that he saw her. So the morning comes and the next day her phone keeps going to Boyce, male, and it's not like Gloria to keep Manny out of the loop on what's going on savannah, calls, David again in the morning. David answers at ten thirty. He s David where's mom and he says, oh, I don't know. I never went home last night. So call star ping pong between all of chlorine, family members, where's Gloria whereas Gloria whereas whereas she no one had heard from her and from Phoenix. Manny tries to call the El Paso, PD to file missing persons support. But they said that the report would have to be made by the last person who saw Gloria, which I think, is kind of odd that is weird. Is that like it's always, I've never heard of that. Four but have, you know, but, you know, they're probably just like maybe they were just a putting him off like somebody here to do it. You can't do this from stayed away. I don't know what's going on. Like how to you know she's missing. She might not just be, maybe she went to the store. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So with this point, Manny is freaking out and decides to come his Goan El Paso with his family to look for his mom. And by the time he gets to El Paso, and the whole family is their glorious parents cousin siblings. And then they call the police. So at glorious house, the detectives arrive to ask questions in take information pertaining to this missing persons report that they're getting. So David went over step by step is interactions with his mother the day. She arrived in L Paso. And he said that on that Saturday, July twenty fifth the days mother arrived, he was at the Carmichael theater on the east side of town. He ended up receiving a call from his mother around five pm and he was surprised. He had no idea. She was coming. That's interesting. So I mean, the background information is, is that she's living halfway in Phoenix in halfway in Paso? And she's allowing David to stay there while she's not there, right? So the idea here being that she wanted to drop in on him to see what was going on unannounced. See how he was carrying for the house, all of that kind of stuff. So when she did arrive to the house, he was at the movies, and she noticed when she got there, there was a lock on the door of her master bedroom, but she called David upset about. She wanted to be let into her bedroom, which seems reasonable. And so he kind of left in a hurry in the middle of a movie to go let his mom in. Right. So when he got there, she was bitching at him for this stuff understandably. So he left. And that night, he didn't come home. And that's what he said on the phone to Manny. Like when he answered the phone at ten thirty I didn't go home. So in Gloria's room, her suitcases sat untouched and she had her 'cause medics case sat zipped, close on the bathroom vanity and this was super uncharacteristic of her because she usually unpacked and settled, right in right away and Heredia car was missing and cars calls her cell phone. We're going straight to voicemail, which is never a good sign. The police immediately confirmed David story with his friends that he went to the movies with. So it all seemed to check out, but the word that she was missing was starting to spread through the neighborhood. They were understood is that we have got an updated 'cause he works out. Laurie. I'm level her poignant eighteen list again up. She wouldn't walk tool, middle school, or he would drive, depending on the weather sold their mentality was okay, she's a festive, we just need to see, you know where difficult. So I mean, that's what we were understood for vile are full. The fact is, it's pretty much like unlock them, you know, there's ret cakes. And it was really hard to get any get out because you have to identify yourself. There was like it just seemed like there was a lot of pants wasn't a lot of family. There said it saving normal hold up the only one bringing their so I don't think anyone was allowed to go to the house. It was pretty much just a lot of -pective trying to figure out what had happened or what happened to her recipe. So police start pressure testing theories while they're digging into glorious background. They learned that she was very religious. She loved God. Loved helping families helping others, she'll helping your family, she attended the university of Phoenix and got a degree from there. She worked for the Texas workforce commission for over twenty years, where she served as the integrated service area manager and after retirement, she went on to pursue a new career as a real estate Asian for Coldwell Banker. So there really wasn't anything that they found in her background, in her work in her church that we're gonna leave them any leads that they could potentially smokeout. Right. And her house actually, was this really cute a frame house, in on kind of the roof over the porch. There was like a giant cross. I mean, this woman was like a God, loving woman, you know, buttoned up just to super solid person said they weren't exactly like there was no red. Flags and there's like no enemies to point nothing, nothing. So as police are speaking to all the family members, they start to pick up on the fact that there was kind of this family secret that people in the family were tiptoeing around, because they're all in the same room like all the family was congregating. So as the police are questioning people, I assume people are kind of overhearing in there seems to be something people are avoiding and uncomfortable about. So remember how we mentioned that glories visit was announced. So she didn't tell David that she was coming, because she wanted to catch David off, guard in confirm a sneaking suspicion that she had been having that David was a sexual relationship with his stepsister fifteen year old Mariah Wilson that they were secretly living in glorious home together. And how old is he at the time twenty-seven up? And so this is this not. Okay. No. This is step sister thing is whatever they're not blood. Related. But the age difference in conjunction with that is disturbing that rape then. Right. Well, it depends on the laws. We looked at it depends on the laws and depends on the state, but you see Mariah had actually played a key role in causing the split between David, and his middle school sweetheart, Laura, and over the years has Maria hit, puberty and started to become a teenager. There started to be this very palpable tension. Involvement between them that started to kind of evolve in Texas is considered stats rape, statuary, rape to have sex with someone under the age of seventeen wherever there was a close in age exception that allows a person of sex with someone under seventeen as long as the older person is not more than three years older than the minor. So we've got the lend. This is two thousand nine. Well, it is bad now. In general. This is a father of a father of four and has children are probably closer in age than she is. I think they're like six yet is I could at twenty one just snow around the same at the same age difference. Yeah, that's gross. So Gloria was right. David Mariah had been in a sexual relationship for a while. It was on and off. And Gloria made it clear that she disapproved of this relationship and threatened to Victor Davis. If she found out that Mariah was living with him under Gloria's roof. So that's precisely why she came over to see what the hell is happening at her house. So she had a problem with a relationship for all the obvious reasons or is the age difference. He was being a total, absentee father to his kids, and obviously, it was his stepsister and disgusting and Gloria had been growing increasingly more frustrated with David she was chastising him for not getting his life, together, not paying the bills at her home and breaking promises to see his nephew in Arizona, as well as relationship with Mariah. And she specifically asked Manny not to tell his brother that she was going to El Paso, to see what was going on. So if you're a true crime freak and I'm assuming that you are since you listen to our podcast. I'm sure that you remember the death of Rebecca's a how, and one of our favorite network's oxygen is premiering a four part limited series on Saturday, June first and guess what? It's featuring our very own Billy Johnson. So I'll give you a little refresher on the story. 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Glorious family keeps talking and Gloria's mother, Mary, she tells the police that she had gone to the home looking for Gloria the first day she'd been missing. And she noticed something interesting, she noticed used women's underwear, and a Bank statement with mariah's name on it at the house. So many people on the outside were admitted to the family that they were suspecting that, that Mariah was living here with David, but they didn't know for sure David was constantly denying that he was not involved or statutory raping so. Yeah. And okay. So we the we have we have a Bank statement with his name on it at the house. We have used women's underwear. It's getting kind of obvious now. What David is doing? And Mariah is at the house living at the house. Right. So it's at this point that police learn a little bit more about David and at some point as requesting them in this is something you would notice after a few minutes, maybe they noticed that he's missing a leg. And he explained that he had become somewhat of a rebel after he split from his wife. Laura, not a motorcycle started doing wheelies all the time. He came daredevil in Las one of his legs in a terrible accident that almost cost him his life. E continued that Gloria at been his rock through this entire thing in got him through that injury in without her. I mean he would have died. He thinks so he split from his wife gets motorcycle gets into an accident almost loses his life is like it's cut off. And then his mom is the one that's nursing him back to health. Exactly. So police are going door to door to just talk to neighbors to see what they know about the family. I mean, what they observed because it seems like this is a little soap opera going on under this roof. Yeah. So they knock on Julie's door. And Julie who said she saw a woman who is driving glorious car the night, she'd gone missing. And it wasn't Gloria. Actually came knocking at our door as well after they seem in. I ended up sharing that that night I was off I with the right. Usually, I, I kind of wish we've done nice little, I would be out by truck on the phone, but there's frame, I had a friend over everywhere outside, and I will we were parked by the mailbox fellow sitting on my friend thumb on his trunk looking towards glory. I'm Alexis house, and it was kind of it was a normal, because, you know, I, I feel like garage stores we're opening but the car was moving in, like hesitated, and then the next pay. No, it just drove off. But if he just pick a wild the garage. Well, when they look over a appeared to be a woman on. That's what I saw the car. That's the only thing I was able to go if it happens pretty fast. All right. So according to Julie, she saw what looked like a woman, driving glorious Hyundai in late night slash early morning, which I soon to be around, like three AM. It's a little convoluted but it was an odd time. And she just assumed that it was Gloria driving her own car. She's back in town. And she said that Gloria was like an avid, fitness person like up early every morning exercising. It doesn't seem that crazy. So that's what she assumed. She was seeing then on Wednesday, July, twenty ninth Gloria's car was found abandoned near nullum entry school on the east side of El Paso, her purse, including our keys and cell phone were found inside a car. And this news of the discovery obviously horrified her entire family, because nobody knew what the hell happened to her or where she was the situation was extremely grim. It worked parked out of middle school. You know as I three visit down. I, you would occur what? But I wasn't sure if the you that it was there, like I mentioned, I that was some routine to go rebound. So I kind of like the moment that they found out like, oh, the cards slider part of me will kind of like Ardita like I wish I could have shared that with them. After that he's still couldn't figure out where she was phasing-in though. She was thinking if she was even alive like they in the happening. So the car was possessed for evidence by an E P, P D crime scene technician. And he discovered Harrison polls, and the interior of the vehicle that were consistent with glorious hair. So the police then conduct a search of her home, and they find a few curious things they find some beads in her garage that look like they came from a necklace, as well as blood on metal cabinet. The blood was in a smear. So it looks like it ended up being from somebody's hand and the blood was sent to a police lab, and El Paso, and the assumption was that the blood belonged to Gloria because obviously, everybody thinks that something happened to her there. So the home was now a crime scene. None of this is adding up for anything good. Not so glorious body was found along some New Mexico desert trails behind Santa Teresa elementary school by women who was walking her dog and her body was so badly decomposed. That officers didn't know it was her right away. But because if he's. July. It's brutal. And but the person found was wearing the same clothes that were that were in Gloria's missing persons reports or three days later, the medical examiner in L pass confirms through her fingerprints that it was her obviously glorious family is crushed. No one had any idea like, who would do this, who would do this to her? She was just incredibly wonderful, God, fearing person. Nineties, that they had found the body in Mexico Mexico, and they couldn't identify the woman. So that's, that's, that's where I could find out a little bit more about her afterwards. I believe. S. Who like in the fight a woman is into the the after about his is did from other. The news other was remember where old that was that was. Really out bad. It's heartbreaking owning like you know, this is one of like one of my neighbors us really nicely. You read very religious. So I think everyone was pretty much devastated. Laura's autopsy revealed that she'd been strangled to death. And she was choked so hard that her larynx collapsed, and her neck was left with the marks from the liquor used to kill her so strangulation is something that if you are in Detroit crime, or that sort of thing, a lot of passion, a lot of intimacy a lot of anger behind these sorts of murders in what was interesting, though, in something not immediately noticeable. It's something that canes them. Eventually was that she didn't have any cuts. So whose blood was in the garage, and if it's not glory, as you know, that they were sure it was they thought this was the crime scene in now they're kind of confused in the results hadn't come back yet. So a few days after the discovery of glorious body a funeral was planned. The beginning of her her obituary read she lives such a beautiful life loving and kind, all her ways is how we will always remember are beautiful Gloria marmolejo or love compassion, and golden heart was always upright, and just she loved God or family. Everyone and her funeral service was held at abundant living faith center with internment to follow at the evergreen east cemetery. Then to the a bit read our hearts, grieve, deeply the pain compares to no other in there at the funeral Gloria sons Manny and David and glorious brother released doves during the ceremony as they all saw bd, and Oliver family and friends, everyone knew are, and loved her were there, and it sounds so sad, so sad. So soon after this, one of her sons David makes a really bizarre statement to a family member and he was telling his family member that he was concerned that police would end up considering him a suspect because of a hug, and a kiss that he had given Gloria, which could result in DNA found on her and bowl, this, this is. A question he obviously saw her right before she left, he admitted to seeing her. So if he had hugged and kissed her like earth. Anybody had been around their DNA is going to be on her that can't prove that. But that's what he's saying. He's like, you know, he's saying, like, oh, I kissed my mom, like, if I was the last person to see her, and they find my DNA is it going to look bad? So the results on the blood in the garage ended up coming back and it revealed that the blood belonged to Mariah. And if you guys remember who she is. She was David's fifteen year old step sister, and girlfriend that Gloria was not stoked about so things are becoming super murky, like what is going on? So police bring Mariah in for questioning and she explains that the blood in the garage was a result of a fight that she had with David about a week prior to glorious return Ryan admitted to the relationship that she had with David and also to living glorious home with him. And she's talking to the police, and they noticed that she has his large cuts on her knuckles. And she says the cuts come from an accident at work. She was a waitress hooters, and she was explaining to them that she cut herself on glass, which seems possible the police were skeptical, but they called her manager, and they were able to confirm that her explanation was a apparently drew. Okay. So this is interesting, if we're thinking about this from the cops perspective. They're kinda like ooh. Star crossed lovers, her blood is here. He's weird like she's a child like what do you think? Their brains are doing or was she abducted going to work out? No. But I think they know. I think they're getting. I mean, the blood and the garage is weird, the blood had on the blood. She's a little kid like she's little. No. That's weird. Like it's weird. How young she is. But the but it's weird. So she says that the blood she cut herself at hooters, but then was she just dripping all over the place. And she got home. She said that was from a fight. So maybe it's like she reopened horse. Violently fight. I mean who knows? But the interesting thing here is, so her body was taken to New Mexico, like, don't think kid in. She is a kid carrying a body like I don't know. It seems like a stretch. But who knows. I don't think the cops know what they're dealing with its giant puzzle right now. So with this point, they're noticing the inconsistencies in David's story in the fact that he was the last one to see Gloria alive. They're starting to get it. Because after I guess what they found her body for v started to put together. They started to I get real lifestyle. David was the reason why should I? So I mean, if they have known that, I'm not sure how I would have been because I feel like he saw me that night, like, I know her Samih outside that night so feedback skirting a little bit. I didn't know if he was going to come to my house, you know, like it's just stuffy stuff, you know. And the police have they've heard this, the story about the stepsister they start piecing the story together. Laura's blood in the garage long with those beads that were from a necklace reflected that they're very well could have been a struggle in the garage. So what they're looking at now because the blood is from Araya could Mariah had been responsible for murdering Gloria because mariah's the one in the car, and it's mariah's blood. So I you know, as a police officer, you're going to go straight at Mariah. And I have a feeling they're thinking that would Mariah have done this all by herself. They're gonna start to lean on her. So since the discovery of glorious body, the police had pulled, Mariah and David cellphone records, just to see kind of what was going on. And to see if their cell phone activity would corroborate their stories so they noticed that David cell phone had pinged from tower that was approximately four miles from where law. His body was found incidence it with his story David said that he was asleep starting at ten pm during the window of time and made no mention of a drive to New Mexico. And they were painting calls that happen at one thirty seven and four fifty two close to this tower New Mexico and ho- far away was that from him again, I actually don't know the distance between I'll Paso and. The state border of New Mexico. I don't think it's about that far, you know, if it's in another state like he would have mentioned. Hey actually go, by the way. New Mexico in the middle of the night. So police are starting to suspect that either David or David Mariah together. A responsible for Gloria's murder, all signs are pointing their way, so they bring Mariah in for interrogation and their Sturt pressing her pretty hard. She breaks down and spills, everything with the prominence promise of full immunity. She admits tensions were rising over their relationship and glory, was about to kick them both out of the house, and the next details ended up being pretty horrifying to police. She told police that she had been at the movies, with David and their friends when Gloria called David after her surprise arrival at their home, David left and said that he'd be back in an hour. But he disappeared for nearly four hours or hours for out, yet, one turn to four. Pretty quick. She texted him asking where he was. And he said that he was simply, quote, taking care of business. She said at that point that she felt that David was up to something. But she didn't know exactly what he was doing. And when she met him back at the home, David coaster on how to answer certain questions and told her to stick to the story that he was going to tell her and she was afraid of David. And initially it was complying. Right. So she's going to be afraid of David, but once she gets into that interrogation room and she's talking to the police, she's gonna turn, and the in the police know that. Yeah. She's she's young. They're, they're gonna lean on her. So the police are leaning on Mariah. And then she this is what he what she says to him. Does she spills at least a bit of it? She said that David told her he killed his mother on the way back to Gloria's decide side home after leaving the movies David admitted that he did the deed. He said he's this is what he told. She told them quote. He's telling me, he killed his mom. You don't expect someone to say that? And go. Oh, really? He kept saying he did it. He did it. I didn't believe it at first, it's David she then described what happened on the day that Lori disappeared when she and David arrived at Florida's house, quote, that's when he's telling me, his plan of what he's going to do to make it seem like she was leaving for a walk and that she was abducted from there. He still insisting he did it and he says, I'm not going to show you her body, and she says, I'm thinking, oh, my God. I'm sitting in a room and a she supposed to be here and that he did it. Then. They leave the home briefly and drive around to nearby neighborhoods that were under construction. And she says he takes me to a dumpster and says, that's where I was going to put you Laura, at one point Lawrence, X Y, this end she said she was scared to death. Yeah. When they get back to the house, David has Mariah sit on the floor while David explained how he killed his mother. So this is what Mariah tells the police. So the police are there, this is not the whole story, though. 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He blacked out, quote unquote. And when he woke up had a belt around her neck in one foot on her back and kept pulling and pulling in pulling in polling. He then said that when she hit her head on the door. She started bleeding. He poured mustard all over this. Danes. Mariah continued about how David cleaned up the scene. We started cleaning. He took a screwdriver in fiend. Leftover blood spots in the grout between tile grounded bathroom mats from the dryer. We flip them over and started picking off a rubber that had stains in this is in reference to grout as well. You know how there's caulk like in cracks. He's like that. He then grabbed one of glorious shoes in snacks, Gloria in the head with it niece said that when he was choking here. He had one foot on her back, and he wanted a smaller footprint. Throw them off to me. It sounds like he's trying to flame frame, Mariah. Yeah. If you have a woman's shoe, you're trying to make a smaller footprint for wet who in the woman who would it be dammit. So. David venues, black painters, plastic to wrap up Corey, his body and used wire hangers that he looked the belts to hold all the plastic together as he dragged the body to the car. A hand when a glorious hands fell out, and he tucked back in. Then they left the house in drove around looking for a place to dispose of his body. She said we were driving around everywhere aimlessly when we exited he was looking for canal. But everywhere we went to his afraid, somebody would see us. I'm pretty scared. We're gonna get pulled over. And I just wanna make him think everything is okay between the two of us probably he doesn't turn on her. I mean, the has to be the most terrifying thing. Ver- just killed his own mother, and she's so young like you don't you're, you know, I can't imagine what was going through in her brain. Like how do you defend yourself? What do you like to comply with the person that she's got this strange relationship, where it's like her romantic something? But also her brother since she's ten bright. That's what when she said like it's David, like my brother. You know, like Christmas is, it's just probably very weird confusing. Yeah. So one point, when they're driving around they stopped at a gas station. And Mariah used David's cash to pay for gas inside the convenience store. I'm sure the police were asking her why shouldn't ask for help when she was inside the gas station. And she said that she was in love with David and didn't want to get him into trouble. So Gan like the confusion there. Well, he's, he's manipulative. He's a predator. Oh for sure. So it's like she. Yeah. He's been grooming her since she was like eleven years old. Yeah. Like a young child as they left the desert David told her to drive really slow. And he sat on the trunk and he was trying to fan out the tire trails. And they didn't talk much on the drive back to Gloria's house. And we're Iowa starting to think that she was next when there are back at the house. David tried to lighten the mood. She said that he asked for oral sex, but he wasn't serious. He laughed and she said that he was just kidding just terrifying. Mariah said that they got into several fights over moving glorious car. And those were the phone calls that happened between five thirty and six in the morning, the following day, she said that he yelled at her because he thought people had seen him and he also was saying that he should have worn pants because people would have seen has prosthetic leg. Subarea also comes clean about how he and shave. It went from step siblings to a relationship, which it was, which was in her terms. She said it happened on a trip from Phoenix to El Paso. She said it was on July fifth twenty two thousand five we, let's do the math doesn't five this is two thousand nine and she's fifteen in two thousand nine to two thousand five. She's eleven. Right. I mean I pull this from the appeal. So it's not like we made it up. So we start touching me. They known each other since she was eleven and she got pregnant by him during her freshman year in high school, which means that she was fourteen she had his baby at fifteen and gave the baby boy up for adoption. So aki. So now this guy obviously is a predator, and he saw it. It's. This is really one of the more twisted cases that we've done because the idea that his mother any had a good relationship with his mother. His mother bear offense took care of him when is when is foot got chopped off or as as lead got chopped off. I mean and the fact that him live for free in her home. Let the his wife, Laura in her four kids move, in with her so they could save for a house. I mean, they I think consistently had a good relationship in knots, then he's rolling party us. So after they have everything they need from Mariah. They get a warrant for his arrest and on September fourth two thousand nine he's arrested. So what he was being walked out to police car a reporter asked him a question. He says, mom, I love you with all my heart. Please. Help me. One. I think I if crazy things time, it's more like, wow, like, do you really did up your mom? I think that's her is like his mom looks like a really nice lady. You know what to me, I'm, like, really like your third like, don't make other women out there and you're going to kill your mom over, like island. It was worth it. Of I'm wondering how long this time was before they started questioning her, and they actually arrest him in are they in contact during that time 'cause it has to be so uncomfortable in scary for Mariah? So she basically, when she cracked it was when she was offered immunity. So I'm sure after that point, I am. Sure. There are they protecting her like police. Well, I think I mean once he's in custody, she's fine. But I think that Osama bin. She was probably like, oh. Like, but then he could find I don't know. That's just like a scary place to be all the in between like limbo of, you know, he did it and he could kill me, too, or no. I understand what you're saying, but I think that they, I have magin what they probably would have said it, especially if she was saying that she was scaring scared for her life. Okay. You stay here. We've got an arrest warrant for him. We're gonna go pick him up right now. Right. Answer your question. I mean she went missing on July twenty fifth arrested September fourth. So home to mom on the half. Yeah. I mean six weeks. Eight seven weeks, whatever which is kind of speedy considering I mean it took. Over week to find her. So, you know, and then just had to probably process that DNA evidence, right? Ryan's blood. But yet to be a fly on a wall of their conversations between the when she confessed Lord. I don't know. 'cause I'm sure it will I mean for a fifteen year old days it'd be it's, it's high stakes. It's also she's child. Do you think that they're still talking and seeing each other during that time? They're talking seen each other, probably not because he was probably not trying to upset his family and attract attention. So I would say just in like self-preservation probably not agree because on his core. He was he was doing so much to. I mean, the idea that he had her drive the car while he sat on the trunk and then used his feet to try on the fan. Now, the tire marks that's ridiculous more like tell him. He was really was like swerving footmarks on that. You know, he, he was he was he knew what he obviously that shows that, you know what you're doing was wrong. You know that you're trying to cover it up. 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So this arrest shocked, the marmolejo family, they were extremely close, which I think Julia's mentioned in her interview. They love David like, you know. They just I mean, I don't think any of them ever saw anything like this coming within their close. God loving family and the family members characterized David as being a caring father or spectral, son. You know, a who was loving, and they can never see him doing something like this. But the police describe him as a brutal rapist who imposed control on victims and I know you're thinking, okay, rapist, I know we've talked about Mariah and a statutory implications with her, but there's more we're getting there, so the arrest shocked, the bulk of David's family. But the arrest didn't shock David's ex wife. David's Twenty-seven-year-old ex wife, Laura, so that she was not surprised when she learned about his arrest and the charges against him, which sounds alarming. I mean this is the mother of his four children. She's not shocked the but she said that, while she was still married to him. He started as a normal person describing their relationship her on the time of their first child this out. She characterized it, it was like mean him against the world. We were so young with both of us having a baby so young. He took full responsibility. He was normal, a good dad and everything else, a few years later David, Laura, and his young family, moved to Phoenix. Whereas father lived the stepfather of Mariah. So it's work. Took him to San Luis Obispo California flagstaff Arizona and Hawaii and a couple of times. He also went to Yuma, Arizona David, and Laura plan on buying a house in two thousand four but to save money, the couple and their children, and they had three at the time they moved back to El Paso, and live with Gloria, but David state alone to work in Phoenix sketchy. But the most notable shift. Billy. Billy. And I own a house jets at around and visit each other, and I own a house sorry for you. Good for you in an apartment. Yes, you own a house in Phoenix, Phoenix houses are cheap not mine. House isn't payment off. Maybe one day, we'll never get to go. Nope. You might you Jerry, probably. Well, yeah, we'll have you ever for barbecue? Oh, it's actually very like big kind of, like it has a great party lay out, but we're hoping. Yeah, it totally has that, but we don't like people, so but she also noticed a shift in David after his motorcycle crash when he lost his leg. Laura also said that she knew about the attraction between Mariah and David even before the split which has to be the weirdest thing to notice between somebody in their step sister. She said it was just the way that she acted towards him. It was kind of, like if you see a little girl, kind of like a fatal attraction, it was just so Irie to me because she was always with us. She was like our daughter. And when we're when Mariah went through puberty. She said that the relationship between David and her started to change the entire family suspected a relationship. It just made them all feel uncomfortable, into rightfully so reminds me teacher's pet. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, it's right under your nose. But it's so crazy that I would like it's to incentive leave. Yes. Did your psycho right this gusting, but look, we're actually doing it right? And he's a predator. I mean Mariah was groomed by him since she waits done. You know, this is no way me saying she was a willing participant. Lou. So while David was left to his own devices in Unix. There were sinister ominous things that happened. Laura said, little by little sort of realizing things that would happen that were out of character when I wasn't around this is in reference. David Laura learned of rape allegations against her husband, between December two thousand five in February two thousand six in March two thousand six David was arrested on suspicion of viciously raping and robbing four women sex workers from Ben Buren street in Phoenix than Buren street in Phoenix is. The road is note was was originally known as the capital of the of in the universe of motels. There was one hundred forty motels on this road is the entry point into Phoenix, but remember, the movie cars from Pixar. They built the you know, they went around route sixty six and they build the highway and then nobody went to the cars land anymore. But just think about think about if this happened cars, so they go around they build the ten highway, which is the one that's right out here in LA on van Buren, all the motels go into disrepair and then it becomes a haven for drugs and sex workers interest in that. And that's what happened. So, especially if it's like the mouth of the city like Phoenix, it's like truckers in transients and vacations to bachelor party. And it's the only the only stop in between attack the box Texas in LA. Yeah. You wait a Vegas forever. But van be so there's the van Buren venue there that I've been to. That's obviously on van Buren street. But it's but it's, it's like it's not quite east. That's in a nicer kind of more like hipster type area would go to stir area. Yep. We'll see your show til. Yeah. He jerry. So. When David was confronted with these allegations. He denied them in an interview with a Phoenix detective. He told the police that he had not been with a prostitute before. In Phoenix only in Las Vegas. But when detectives told him that all four women reported being raped by a man and a two door white Mitsubishi eclipse, who had the word faith tattooed on his neck, David began to change his story. Can we talk about what a douche canoe David as well? Number one, not a girl car and a clip says the car that I wanted when I was thirteen years old seem, I was like looking at what color white. I wanted like a turquoise one but like the spoiler. I was like, that's it's girly. It's tight. Yeah. And then faith tattoo like he's like a male basic bitch. Yeah. With neck tattoo. So we I tells police that he, he picked up ten prostitutes during his time in Phoenix. Then he said, okay. Now, wait a minute. Okay, wait. It was eleven but he continues to deny raping them and this happens a lot. And this is what he says would ask why each victim told police that he robbed him rate them at gun point. He said that, you know, sometimes he would shortchange the prostitutes. He said that. When he would pick up the women, the women who usually drunk or on drugs. So then he would throw them up a rolled up one dollar Bill or a ten dollar Bill after sex, which called a Bronx role where you see where you sort of, like, you know, you see that sometimes where you put a twenty and then you put five singles and it looks like oh, it's one hundred dollars. Kind of thing. So that's, that's what that's what he was saying. He was he was doing and some of the women reported the crimes immediately others several days. But the women who waited to report the assaults told authorities that they didn't believe anything would be done because they were sex workers, and you see this, honestly, this happens so much, and all that people who are anti sex worker, I are sex workers. Most men. I know have have admitted to me, not even with shame that they have hired sex workers before route their life at one point, whether it's a bachelor party, or they were in Thailand, or this, or autumn Assad. Like it is so common. And the fact that they don't get any support or protection the support from law enforcement is crazy. It's one of the worst things that you see in law enforcement, it's starting to open up, and I think there are certain detectives that no. That, that, that there are some sex workers, that can be allies for them. They're definitely a lot of sex workers. Most of them are victims. There are other victims of guys that will come in and, and try to eventually, you know, really take over their business. It's essentially a fucking hostile takeover what they do. Yeah. One of the vice cops that I know they would set up a you see these, these stings for John's. So they set up a, a woman. Who's saying that she's looking for dates? Guys come to the hotel. They'll might pick up eight guys. And there's these guys that are just looking for days with these girl, but these other guys will come in, and they are two types of pimps, and their pimps that see there's a new woman or a new girl in town. What are they going to do? There's two types of Pam says, I is the Romeo pimp. The Romeo Pimm comes in and says, baby. I'm gonna take care of you. You're, you know, everything's gonna be great. It'd be exactly. And then there's what they and they actually call it the gorilla pimp, and the gorilla pimple come in and actually attack the woman beat the hell out of our and say, yes, your mind, now this happens, and it happens a lot, and it's starting to open up now talking with. Police are starting to realize that a lot of these women are not doing it for any kind of lifestyle choice. They're doing it because they have become addicted there become addicted on. Yeah. Or I mean, if they're from another, like they steal passports, these steal, ID's and cell phones where it's like trot, like you're not going out of my sight to you. Don't have a cell phone or any money. You know, you have no way to escape your wallet. I took your credit cards like you'd have to really literally run from me down a highway escape, so and then what? Yeah, exactly. So one of the women who was twenty two years old. She said that David had pointed a gun to her and said, put a good, right outer and said you're going to do what I want you to do or I'll shoot you. And he raped her stroke on the face again with a gun and stole a hundred fifty dollars from her, according to the police reports, and he learned lured, another woman into his car when he backed into a poll to gas station. The twenty year old did he do. Let me stop here. What that's just opportunistic like, right. He's just saw girl after he like back to car his car. I mean well, the no, you're talking about this. What I'm talking about. Yeah. So I'm like, did he her car? Purpose, because he saw grabby like do that, though. I think it was like, well, like yours like Ted Bundy kind of thing or it's like can you help me with this? I don't know. He's got a gun. He's not doing it like Bundy, right? I think it's like he saw hot girl, who was like, are you. Okay and oh well, this sounds good for me. Yeah. Sounds like he's like a mood swing operator. Like he's, I mean, the thing with his mom real quick. I, we haven't gotten into this the thing with his mom didn't sound premeditated to me. No. So I think he's just like a moody head like this reacts, extremely violent. And it's like I mean, the writings on the wall with Mariah saying that blood smear is from a fight with David a few weeks before. Yeah, not shocking and she's fifteen and it's your brother. So like your brother beats you up. Like, I think she's got this very skewed perception of, like what's okay. Now is your older brother kind like runs the show. You're a little brothers protective and controlling and like. Can throw you around like Nina older brothers. I don't know. I wrestled with my little sister, like we were in kids. I don't know. I think it's, it's everything up. Yeah. As far as like, what's, what's okay. And what's out? Okay. No. For sure. So, like I said he lured this woman into his car when he backed into a poll, the gas station, she walked up and asked if he was okay. And that's when he pointed a gun at her forced her into the car and told her quote, keep a smile on your face. I'm in control. Now if you move or anything, I'll blow your head off, and this was similar to a lot of the other cases that when, when we're reporting. So he was arrested for investigation of four counts of kidnapping four counts of armed robbery and ten counts of sexual assaults and there are ten sexual assault charges. Because each woman was raped in different ways. So his ex wife, Laura claimed that at the time she didn't know much about the rape. They had already been separated at this point in living separately when it started. So she, no, the rape, she didn't know about the rape or really the kidnapping allegations. She said at the time when I found out the family pretty much kept it all under wraps, and I really didn't know what was going on as far as I knew it was just robberies. And she found that the whole story later, but this offers an interesting peek inside of this family in that, like everybody Cottle's, David David is being given the benefit of the doubt over and over and over, despite Yar people are just like kind of like despite the shit with his stepsister in leaving his wife in having four kids in making that being a mom, live with his wife and four kids while he Duff, and wherever he was like it just sounds like they're making a lot of excuses for him. I don't know. Laura continued. He had moments where he would snap. You never knew what David was capable of who would make you believe what he wanted you to believe or what he needed you to believe. So at the time all these rapes occurred. Or these these rape allegations. Manifested, no charges were filed. And apparently, this was because the victims couldn't be located in, it would have been impossible to make a case without them. But it gets even worse because if you actually go into Google home, look at this case, they said that all these women were dead. Oh, god. And whether that's true. It's conflicting. Like, I think some of them are they bring this up later? Yeah. We'll they're going to bring it up, though. I mean listen. I don't want to throw shade on them, but I'm gonna the euro, the shade. Billy Bill, the of. But because lean because they're going to say that. Oh, you know what we tried to prosecute him? Obviously he was dangerous, but. And this woman lives in ten women are dead, and we couldn't find them. So we couldn't prosecute him. If you just say, we couldn't find them, people are going to say immediately, while you didn't look hard enough. Yeah, take probably didn't. So then they're going to say, well, you know what they're all dead. That's the reason why this woman is dead because Gloria would be alive, if they would've put this guy away. Trial started to happen. But, you know, for us little by little to like pose him. And started talking about life is criminal charges back in Arizona. So that's kind of a little bit more, like, like carrier with him. I mean these people I need him like most definitely finally looked like a normal guy. He there was only family, you know about. He was always around family. You were going around, you know, and honestly, like he was very good with kids. But what you see. But then you hear what he did was mom, and it kind of airy heartless person, I need to his own mother, like he had no heart. Is crazy. I mean, I father pictures of him crying, and really the and to knees I that's not normal, like there's something wrong with you. I think the most of the moment for me is not expected. But when he showed up with his brother looking for, like, I'll never forget that. I mean you know you. Oh, I mean, you never know. Like I mean this man is over here, crying listening, for his mom, like athletes for how then at the end of the day like you had like, in the back of his mind like, I'm the one that comply mom like over his mom that, but he's really here knocking people's doors asking for help that is. I think that that's phrasing. So what is in custody for glorious murder? The violent rape cases from Phoenix are put back in the spotlight and charges are actually finally filed and there's actually more a completely separate investigation. Police start questioning David about the Arizona baseline murders which was a serial killing that was a long south Phoenix, which was from van Buren. It's probably like two miles away and other man. Markelle DOE was later arrested connection with nine of the baseline slayings and David walk, David did not get. So let's baseline martyrs. So the baseline killer was a guy that around two thousand five he was committing sexual assaults and then homicides all over sort of around the area of baseline road, which is south kind of south of Phoenix, and it one case. And I'm going to read this directly from Wikipedia while walking home from a Phoenix city park at night. Two sisters, one of whom was clearly pregnant were approached by Adele, who was armed with a gun, he sexually assaulted one of the sisters while pushing the gun into the other sister's pregnant belly ears arrest of one year later when DNA evidence found. On the woman matches profile and that was actually the breakthrough that led to the arrest of the of the base on killer investigation. So he was he was going off and killing a ton of people's actually right before I got to Phoenix. It was probably a year before. I got there must awesome fucked up. After all this David's trial finally, approached and glorious family was super deeply divided at the trial. One section believed that David did it. And then the other half thought that it was Mariah. So nobody could really come to a conclusion of who they thought it was Mariah was testifying against David in exchange for total immunity, which you always have to call a question. But she is a child, you know, there's no doubt that she is a victim in the situation or just saying, in general, somebody's testifying was that the thing is. It's like she's a victim, but she could also have been involved, her in law would have been contingent, it would have been a result of being a victim like she's course, and he got this total control over her. I do not think she's responsible in any way, right? So there was a cast of characters who were caught who were called as witnesses for both the prosecution and defense, including family members friends. Guess experts FBI agents, inter first degree. Julie had to testify during the trial to and face David in court. Scary. I'll tell you that, you know, the moment to sit there though, I feel for the first quarter can you point out who gave him or Melissa? So, of course, you have to find, and then they'll advocate p please identify proposing that he's wearing, of course, to make sure that I'm talking about the interesting. And he's just very Nessie Mike and you had that one like. There is like really intimidating scary. I think it's probably look I believe on his on purpose. The writer of the less, I had like late guy for. This is a little freaky. From what I am understood is that the family was divided. So you have some people that, that they did support him, but their, their mentality is Mariah Mariah, did it like they think Mariah is the one that burger, you know, their mom their sister, and then to have the other side of the family where they're like, felt. Told them so that they were pretty I I'm not sure if I if I did this day, but I know there were some. I know they were profile. That's a hard one. I mean I know like I don't know. So I feel like you probably went and helped him to the body. I think you should have served time as well. Maybe that with fan but they should have been something. The prosecutors intended to use the vast evidence against David to prove their case and the defense pointed their finger squarely. At Mariah as a murderer of Gloria Manny, who is David's brother cried when he took the stand as he recounted the last time he saw his mother, because if you guys remember he was kind of begging his mom to go to the lake the lake and she's like, no, no. And it was like a hassle. Like haunt you, you know, though his brother is being wrecking ball, like, whoever, you know, and we didn't bring this up because honestly, there are a million things this guy did. But Laura had all these accounts of all these domestic abuse abuse situations. Mariah. I mean. Had a bloody palm print in her in the house like this guy's a violent guy. Yeah. So after each side argued their case it took the jury only three hours to find David marmolejo who at this time was thirty one years old guilty of murder in the July two thousand nine strangling. Death of his mother, Gloria marmolejo in after the sentence was read it took a deep side. But showed little emotion other than that family members said that they won't receive any closure until he acknowledges that he did. In fact, commit the crime up until this point. He continued to deny is involvement and has never waned in that regard. He said, then I still maintain my innocence, sir. I don't mind going to prison for something. I did. But I didn't commit this crime. He was given fifty four years every year represented a year Gloria had. And she was fifty four when she died. He will be eligible for parole after serving twenty seven years in prison. And he was going to be credited for the year in six months. He spent in jail awaiting trial. Manny. The older brother said he took my mom away from me. I know somewhere at the bottom of my heart there. Select for him but I can't find that right now. And then later, he pled guilty to only three counts of sexual assault and two three lesser charges of attempted sexual assault and all the other charges against him were dismissed. That was in regards to these rape starting to. Yeah. Oh man. You guys that there's a lot unpack. There is a lot to unpack. I think I should we should all go around and talk about though, like the most glaring in interesting in different thing about this case. And that's the thing like when I say interesting, it's not like a revisiting I it's more just like this has a lot of disturbing components. That had never seen before. I mean having a knowing that you're illicit relationships last statutory, rape of your stepsister is being discovered by your mother, your mother's coming back to catch, you kind of in the act, and then your response to that is to kill her. Is something that I can't remember a case, that's like that. What was interesting is, so they casually. I mean, in, I mean you guys also like when we were we didn't he researched these cases? I mean, the child abort the child adoption of our I was like an after thought it was like a footnote in an article and I was like, that's huge. When the she got pregnant debut and gave it for. And I'm like, how is that a footnote in the story, it's insane? Because this girl was pregnant nine months pregnant gave birth in gave up this baby. So that's a big deal. And what was that, again, fifteen so around this the same the other time that this is happening? So I'm just like the media's manipulating the information or I mean 'cause maybe that I don't really know. But my, my biggest thing I think this amputation really messed with him. Whether it was like he was actually good looking guy if you look at pictures of me and my music got a handsome face. He's tall. And I think like part. Of him was like Pooley shit. I'm like, now, do you think he felt like emasculated from, I think we were everyone we were in a group chat texting about this earlier. I thought it was in emasculation thing like a piece of me as missing. I got let people know I'm not around. I'm. I'm john. Yeah. Yeah. And I think he got really domineering and controlling and mean I don't know. But I think you have to have this in you. I mean it's not like in. Billy is a man. So his response, not to speak for you. But you can elaborate once I'm done was, maybe she's just Pissy couldn't do stuff. Because Billy's practical at such a man response. Yeah. He's like, maybe wasn't into. So maybe it is more of a practical response. Listen, I mean, if he was able bodied guy, he used to. Go around do things. Right. His bike and everything like that. Not getting those things taken away from you is a big deal is a big deal. I mean, being able to but that's not going to turn you into a Mark, but it's not exactly is that it's not going to tell you all into a murder Ilter, new alcoholic or something else, or you might very well just be able to cope with it. This guy had something in him. And we learned that I it seems I know I know Laura had said that there were things that changed in him afterwards. But it just like makes me think of like CT, and I know it's not that, but that's the first thing I thought of two but I couldn't find any evidence and I looked, I couldn't find any evidence that he hurt his head. Yeah. But the idea that like you would be so hurt enough where you're, like would need to be amputated. It'll rattle your brain around a little bit. Yeah, get it concussion from a, a linebacker hitting you in high school. I'm sure yeah I'm sure surmising. Johnny lewis. Yeah. But you know there's little I mean he was fine. But I mean can you can get a concussion from flying on the stairs? Yeah. I'm fifty each. Could've beat each other. I'm getting cussin' justify bang your head into stuff, which, I know because being four, I know I know a lot of stuff. Ways. Luckily, wife is. He's under close. Be in a better position. No, but it's like I guess you never know. If you're in a motorcycle accident. That's bad enough to amputate your leg. I'm sure your head. Got bashed around a bit hundred percent new. But so for me, I mean Jack, we each weighed on, on ours, that was for me. The, the amputation thing in saying that the behavior really escalated after that is what was most interesting. But, like, yeah, there's a lot of weird shitless case. No, there's a lot also. Like what do you think about, like, Manny seems to be like, besties with this mall like this was not a nurture situation where it was like her mothering 'cause this like she was? No everyone else in the family. This is like a bad seed. So we wanna think Julie for being are first degree connection, and we found her because one of her friends reached out to us, one of her sisters coworkers to us and said, you have to talk to my friend, Patty in an I reach out to Patty she's like, no, it's not me. It's my sister, Julie. So every, you know, we love this share stories. I mean he was attacking women for years before the crime. He was actually apprehended for right? Change needs to be encouraged because like this whole sex worker thing, the fact that they're not listening to. I mean they were like, oh, no one's gonna listen to us. They didn't even bother no-one needed to die. Well, they also they did the right thing, which is brave for them to do, and they say this guy robbed us, this guy, raped us, they told their stolen. And then the police once they finally got around to doing something about it. They said oh, you know, we couldn't find it. Not literally alive. All right. Well that's it for now. 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#80 Por qu comprar casa en Panam: Cmo comprar y como est ahora el mercado inmobiliario en Panam

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Episode 143 - Henry Akins

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Episode 143 - Henry Akins

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He hasn't stopped teaching or being a practitioner himself. He was here in Montana for a seminar. That I actually only had the ability to watch instead of participate in but it was awesome I really like his style of teaching I love his approach and his philosophy of. What Jujitsu is and what it is for joining us for the conversation. My juju coach Travis Davison many time repeat guest. And his coach John Frankel also had him on the head cast a few times. So there was a shit ton of Jujitsu knowledge has got to be. He'd been a black bow for sixteen years at Travis and. Frankel. Or probably at that if not a, you know approaching two decades. So we're talking forty five nearly fifty years of Jujitsu knowledge and experience as a black belt at this table. Let alone what it took them. To get to that level. Episode Number One forty three with Henry. And crew enjoy. Smoke. Smoke. West to the smoke I'm looking at danger close now. that. Does Jujitsu mean to you. What does What does Julia to mean to me? You know for me Jiu Jitsu is. It's kind of like very, very high level problem solving at the same time. It's. Understanding how to Turn your body into a weapon. I think all martial arts kinda teach that. So I think a big aspect of Jujitsu is really how to use your body in the most efficient way possible to dominate another human being and Yeah. I think usually does a pretty good job of that. I would agree is that what you were seeking when you first started? So. Absolutely, and did you actually know at the time? Yes but Here's the crazy. I, went to High School in Oklahoma. And all of my, all of my buddies were bad ass wrestlers. And so my main motivation for doing Jujitsu was I needed to find a martial art where I could fuck up my friends. I could beat up my friends. It's like these guys hurt. He got a huge head start on media they've been wrestling since they were four years old. You know they've been wrestling cows since they were four years old and so I needed to find something to trump that and so I was always. In the back of my head like, okay. I need to find a martial art that is like ground-based grappling I I. In Oklahoma, there's not much to do but drink and fight. If you go out drinking, it's a good night. You get in a fight it's a great night and so I. Don't know if that's allowed in two thousand twenty anymore. We still operating under those rules. I think they've changed cell phone. Cell phones have Kinda changed everything. Around. On that philosophy but I support where you're coming from. So and you know, I, it's just kids right kids fighting fighting in the park like every. Every week Friday, there's a fight in the park. So I, I recognized immediately how effective wrestling was as a martial art He was always the wrestlers that were kind of the most feared. The wrestlers were the toughest dudes and so that was kind of my thing is like I recognize that and I was always enamored with the martial arts I am for me you know I I kind of liked the the idea of discipline and respect in all of those All of those things kind of tend to go with the martial arts and so once I saw Jujitsu I saw me and my first experience of of seeing is his old greeny vhs tape called Gracie in action. So I don't know if you've ever seen those. Worth Google is definitely probably free now two on Youtube. Yeah. Okay. So old, it's so old, but literally it's IT'S Martial artists different martial artists. Coming into the Gracie Academy and challenging them to fight. So early Gracie challenge. Great. Yeah. Basically all of the early greasy, the Gracie challenge matches. And that fight with Hicks in Zulu that was kind of one of the most that's kind of what a lot of people Their first experiencing Hicks fight was his fight with you literally was fighting just massive. You know. Guerrilla, like built like a guerilla silverback gorilla like Zulu and Hickson end up choosing amount but Yeah. It was all the old challenge matches. and you know they were literally just toying with guys and hoary and is there narrating the video and his narration on? It is just amazing because it's like and now watch the lion takedown dog. Sink his teeth in. He's like so the only way it could be better than it was like, James Earl Jones exactly those same exact. DARTH vader. I don't know if I've ever asked this is wrestling martial art is it considered a martial art It's it's considered a sport, right but it is see how it could totally be considered a martial art. It's it's. It's originally the I think the the history of. Pancreatic. Right, was a martial art, a combat art, and then with rules putting being put into place, it eventually becomes like a we compete in sport aspect but I mean think about it with wrestling. It's how do you dominate another human being? How do you take a guy? Throw them on the ground in put him on his back, which is you know for considered for most people a pretty helpless position. Interesting. Wasn't pancreatic new though. I'm not sure if it was. fucking. The Greek. No. I contact they're gonNA get really drunk, and then didn't they have those pits that they would vomit into afterwards correct I. think There's a lot of olive oil involved as well. I Guess Not GonNa Judge on the inside I'll reserve my commentary I saw. Statue someone's picture of a statue is to make you guys wrestling. Up Site. He's got asshole. Seal fighting technique a little crotch grab in their throat. Just he barely. Barely. Talk inverted. So thumb down it's I mean that's John Your. Thumb. down. John doesn't take that teach that particular technique but I'm just saying if you're inverted like that it's adaptable it is so. What was your impetus to leave if you would have given me? A map of the US in fifty chances to name a state that you were from? Still Skip Oklahoma. Knowing that you're like, we'll because I have heard you from like so-calle the so calorie I just assumed that that's what you from. So what was the impetus to go Oklahoma which is known for its massive mountains in landscape? Too, much to do. To where'd you I land when you left Oklahoma? La. Okay Yeah. So what my? Originally when my parents came over here, we we lived on the east coast and then my mom moved to Oklahoma So because it was just the cost of living was so inexpensive and at the time, I had an uncle there. So I went to high school in Oklahoma I originally was living in Washington DC back and forth between Washington DC, New York but. Land? Oklahoma. That's where I kind of saw you know wrestling's huge in Oklahoma? Like Oklahoma state. University. John. Smith is the head coach there and like the Olympic coach and you know one of the considered one of the greatest American wrestlers of all time So that's can introduce me to like. Wow. Okay. Wrestling that's I need to find something that can. Deal with wrestlers compete with wrestling, go to La just in that search. So yeah, I was GONNA say because if you didn't, you were the luckiest son of a bitch in the face of the earth that wasn't intentional I, I literally went to spring break I went out to La in search. Of Hickson because airy heard he's the best and this was after the first. UFC and Heus had mentioned a magazine. I think he said you know if you guys think I'm good you should see my brother Hickson he's ten times better than me. So and the in in the Greasy in action they had mentioned that Hickson is the best of all the brothers the lion. Yeah. Well I want to go train with the best I'm GonNa see what? This is all the bashful thought process in my mind. So is this though this was ninety four? Ninety four. So the first year was ninety three. this was ninety four I went out I think spring break or or maybe it was Thanksgiving break Found hixon's Jim Miracle that I found it because back then it was yellow pages and they didn't have anything in the yellow pages and literally I was staying with my aunt who was in Beverly Hills, and she had a personal trainer who had a friend that trained. Well. Here's the crazy thing that we call the Gracie Academy Looking for Hickson. And when we call the Gracie. Academy there. You know there was a big falling out between. The brothers everyone ended up leaving the greasy. Kept me. So When we call the Gracie Academy looking for Nixon. The secretary this Oh we don't know anybody New Mexico. So. I was like Shit Power Move Yeah. So if you're looking for Jujitsu, just come on over, we can meet you at nine o'clock full power move I like. So. By by chance the first two days, we find the end up tracking down where his school was, and if you've ever seen that documentary choke, it's. It was impossible to find. It's in this old like warehouse behind a carpet store and next to like an old paint bodyshop. Every part of the story so far and it was it was it was actually a karate studio that they used Muslim the karate studio was there like a couple nights a week so end up finding it. Didn't really dingy look like an old boxing gym walk in there. And my first experience, I walk in there and literally within five minutes someone's passed out choked out unconscious on the Mat and they're lifting his legs up, shaking his legs and right away I went in there with a buddy of mine. So me and my buddy came out for spring break. We looked at each other and I'm like we're in the right place. Holy Shit and you just would you do? Did you meet him mad as? We started taking classes I didn't I think the second night I met him. He came in in the evening and got to meet him and say, hi, but the first week I was there you know I was I was. Considered, myself a target. Bike. To work out I was doing martial arts at the time to I was doing taekwondo and had done time boxing and. Literally, I think it's like a lot of people's I experienced doing Jujitsu I started training and I got completely dominated felt helpless and does anybody not have that experience on May One? We were just talking about that last night right and even wrestlers like they're squarely. But if you can get them on their back, they it close guard or this. Yeah well, yeah I think that's the thing with rest i. mean there's you know they're I think in wrestling there's few very few wrestlers no. Any techniques where they can make you submit they can pin. They can put you on your back but don't then who's if they submit you I mean if you subtract get some acute for the some saying yeah. So You know just going in there and training in feeling completely helpless against guys half my size you know getting tossed around and played So right after that I said, you know what I need to learn this like I'm GonNa do whatever it takes to be able to learn this because I never, WanNa feel this helpless again. and so. After that week I, went home. Started making plans to I said, mom I'm moving to California I on. Six, months later, I was in La Hill. Yes. Did you read Hickson into any of these plans or did you just show up in just showed up? My stomach. Like I'm here and good luck getting rid of me. So I was actually. It was. Actually pretty awesome because I had no distractions, you know I didn't have any friends. I didn't know my way around this massive massive town coming from you know Oklahoma City which is a small small town people wise I didn't have any distractions to. So my focus was just a train June get as good as I could get, and so I end up. Coming and I would literally show up in the morning at seven o'clock in the morning and a lot of nights I wouldn't leave till seven or nine at night. So I was there all the time and after the first few weeks are like dude, you're here all the time eight. Why don't you just be the secretary the phone? So I, end up getting a job as the secretary couple weeks. That's the best job application. There is any way just show people what you're capable of instead of sliding a little dossier that says, this is who I am while I'm like I'm here all the time anyways might as well help out. How much were you training in? You're describing a twelve hour how much of that time was spent on the map? So anywhere from five to six classes a day. Would you consider that too much for most people maybe even in the beginning to like just that bullets of information too much to process. You know I i. think every individual. So unique right in how much you're willing to absorb. I mean I just immersed myself in it? Yeah and I for me I felt that's what better way to learn than just to completely immerse yourself in it a junior early twenties. Nineteen, nine okay. You're in the physically he could handle a physically could handle it and your life experiences up to that point. Were not to say it natively they weren't. They were just low and now you're start bucket with yeah you're the perfect. Time to receive that information. Yeah, and it was awesome. So you know Hickson would come in every day. He had a two hour class in the afternoon that was his kind of there was a seven class at eight o'clock class, and then there was a break into the afternoon hidden teach a two hour class in the afternoon And then there was a couple of evening classes so. I. I mean I was getting to train with him almost every single day. You know back in the early days it was just insane, and then you know getting to see all the guys from Brazil, all these other guys coming in a fabulous on. So she used to bring Jaakko up Jaakko and dean lister up from San I've heard they're very like soft, easy sensitive role. Strived. Rolling with silk wrapped in velvet very, very soft. I actually haven't rolled with Jaakko no and I don't ever want to actually. Yeah. I, never I. You know I don't know I can't remember if I had roller Jaakko mean Dean because we were the same way and we were both blue belts at the same time. So Dean was smaller back. He had some he was one seventy three. One seventy that was we were both kind of in the same way for a brief period of time and Yeah we had some. We had some battles some fun some fun roles. Is I think the only thing about so cal now is I had no idea I lived there for so long Mecca of Judas he had no idea. I lived there for so long out an east. DOTTY. dotty I probably was driving by forty. Jujitsu but I wouldn't gone anyway because the guys at work named Jim like you're gay like I'm not GonNa do what you think is cool because that makes me not cool. Well, he's like San Diego, right? Yeah. Yeah and so San Diego a few years ago pretty much became like the Mecca of Jujitsu started off in the South Bay. of La that's where the Gracie's and the Machado's and all those guys I landed. and then it kind of just spread from there and then eventually all the Brazilian just. So accustomed to that type of climate and the surfing and the relaxed atmosphere Man's so many guys into moving to San Diego Starting School San Diego I forget who was recently but the paraphrase the comment but it was essentially if you're good enough to make money teaching Jujitsu, you going to leave Brazil and come to the US and probably dude just because the economics, right? Yeah and that's I. Think you know Hicks and went back to Brazil for a couple of years And just. Was Not making I mean even Hickson. He was not able to make. There's just no money. There's no opportunity there and so he came back to the United States he when he originally went back to Brazil his intention was to stay there and build a good life and I just didn't think don't think it was possible even for him is his name massive there I have zero experience with Brazil. Whatsoever, I would assume that house but don't know. I've never been like a super celebrity. Okay. Because there's I mean if depending on there's people in l. a. that you would think are super celebrity if you go to New York to who the fuck is this guy right so I didn't I didn't know how many borders that had actually yeah. Transferred I. Think they're family is Very famous in Brazil Wow and he came back the other issue for even really famous people who Theoretically could be like independently wealthy or make a living down there. Once they get a little bit older and they have a family, it's super dangerous down there. And like they might pick up what they don't want their kids down there. They don't down there like public safety is not good. Yeah, and that's I. think that's one of the problems with even even if you do make it and you do become wealthy your. Risk level is you know now you're you've just put yourself in a in a you know a target you just put a target on your back. What was the culture like when you were learning? Man. So when we first started training, I mean. It was a really different environment a I, don't think. People really understood how to train the trading methodologies have advanced so much and just being smart in nutrition and you see that in all sports overtime, right? Like people just become smarter and understanding how to train how to train effectively. Literally, we would just go to war everyday it was just like. Every day step on the Mat and like. Me So I had a couple of buddies after after I moved from Oklahoma had three or four friends who were also in martial arts moved out and started training. Right and we all had this house together in Playa del Rey with Matt's in the back then so. It was. It was like an Oklahoma crew and literally guys. My buddies would have a hitlist. Guys got put on the Hitless like these are the guys that were taken out tonight if we see them in class like we're putting the hit on them. So agree with everything you're saying more. So I mean let's be honest. Isn't there a time and place for Hitler's sometimes absolute. Okay. I'm just making sure here. So. We would just have a hit list of guys like, okay. This guy was giving me a hard time on taking him out. So I it was kind of funny but it we just go to war and Back then too I think it was so much more aggressive because a wasn't a kind of tournament meant there were hardly any tournaments back then there was no tournaments. the first few years that I was training. There were still challenge matches going on. So on any day hixon's Jim Yeah we're going to need to spend about six hours talking about. I was fortunate that I had the opportunity to a few of them. And That kind of help to kind of mold my mindset of what Jujitsu is really for, and that's what I always. It. was when I moved out there for anyways is like you know. To learn how to fight right that's what the first few you have seized was all about what's the best fighting style with the best if you're going to do one thing if you're gonNA learn one thing. And Focus your time on listening one discipline. What's the best and you know I think after the first three UFC's kind of pretty established itself? Yeah. The other was. So yeah. Back then we on any given day. There was a chance I could walk in and WANNA fight, and it would be one of the students they would call out one of the students or you know me and is that how it go down somebody would open the door and say, hello I would like to challenge somebody to fight. Yeah. Yeah I would i. If the person wanting I mean it's awesome. Don't get me wrong but the sanity of the person wanting to do that a lot of these guys were martial artist, right? So these guys are have been training for years in a specific discipline time and energy mile he'll like effort. Yeah you know they. It's almost like a belief system, right? Like, okay. We'll. I've been doing this this this and if a guy comes and attacks me that all of this stuff that I've been putting all this time into training is going to work. So that that was really cool to be able to train during that time. Also, one of the big things like we train all summer Nogi. We take the tops off and train with like open palm slaps. So that was fun. That's something that's kind of. From today's environment is like training like that at a lot of schools and it was just because like, Hey, you know we're going to have to you're GONNA have to learn how to get down. You know we would put on gloves all the time and one guy would be One guy would be the grappler or the other guy would be the striker and one guy would okay. Your job is to take me down on my job is tried knock you out. I feel like donkey guard really wouldn't be the best AK. For that particular situation as you'd last thing is you see is you're not going to the back of your head? Yeah. No. Backing up in between your legs I saw it on the out of kicking. Is Allowed I. saw that one time and sent to try Mike is this class material for Monday, and he just sent back the puking face motorcar on. Get the fuck Outta here. With that so You'd be in class do with throw the door open he would pick who he got to fight. No. The instructors pick. And so A lot of time. So a a couple times you guys are pretty sly about. Sometimes it wouldn't be just an outright challenge sometimes, guys would come in and go oh I, want to do a class. I WanNa, take a class, and what they would do during the class is they would. See if they could dominate. Whoever the students were test drive if you will yeah without saying I really want to fight and so we had that many times where a guy would come in tough. You could just see he had a bad attitude, right? He wasn't there to learn. He was there to test himself and he would be picking up slamming guys putting his elbow on their face like really really trying to hurt guy so training kind of, but with bad intentions. And So a lot of times they would be like Henry and they would look at me and they would give the give the this, the signal and Supersede that means. When I call. Your with that. Guy. And I just. Got It roger that nat enforcement would begin. Shirley after and that means you know snap his arm how many years into training before they started giving you the. Wig as opposed to other people. So my first challenge match happened I think four months in. That's not a lot of time. It's well it's not a lot of time for most people right Oh you're talking eight hours a day though training that much and you're young and somewhat athletic and know I was picking it up really really fast I got my blue belt in six months, which was unheard of at Hickson Jim. You know in by the time, I got my blue belt. I was already kind of already winning competitions as a blue belt. So I was just excelling in the instructors I mean granted Hickson and the instructors put a lot of time into helping me because I saw how dedicated I was. So Yeah. I challenge match was about four months in and we had this crazy guy come in in the morning. He was watching the class. We had a railing there and he was watching the class and every time the instructor would teach technique he'd be like if. You don't call that the audible air. So he's literally sitting on the side of the class clowning the whole time while the instructor teaching. So he did that day one comes back day to you know he leaves like halfway through comes back day to. Doing the same thing. Then heap search pulling out flying stars as throwing flying stars into like this would panel that we have. You know like some of the walls were just it was Janke old karate Jimmy Sir thrown and. The instructor finally goes, Hey man you've been coming in here the past two days and being super disrespectful. What's your deal? You know you have a problem you hear a fight and he goes yeah. And so. The the instructors, names, Jason Corean, he's a brown. But at the time he we had another student named Joe who's about the same size bought one, hundred, eighty, five pounds. He looks at Joe and Joe had been training for probably eight months. So few months longer than me he was still a white belt. He looks at Joe and he goes Joe. Tiggy off. and. This Guy Joe looks at him and literally just turned white. Like why are you calling me? You know and I looked at Joe and I just saw a he just froze and I looked at the instructors like I'll do it. You know let me. I gotTA. Make sure this works. Time into learning is right this. This stuff better works otherwise I'm going back home to Oklahoma. And so the first time we squared up I, what was the guy's discipline? So When you say the instructor ask him do you have a problem I think carrying throwing stars is indicative of having a problem so unless you Ninja which also. That's indicative of having a problem too. So kung-fu for fifteen years. Okay. Jitsu. Perfect. Yeah. Deadly combination, Kong, food, and NGO. Jitsu. Call it basically victim. So. It's so funny because the first thing he did we square up I take my geography, we scrap and get. By before you talk about what happened, what are the rules in these? Square like. SOS handed fist. You can sewing normally what they will allow a lot of times what they'll do as I say, Hey, no biting Inoguchi right but this morning it was just You guys are squaring up and he goes are fight. Okay. Full Buffet dinner table what happens. So this guy gets in some crazy like Loncraine scam. Front leg like fully extended out. Completely immobile right. and. The first thing I do is I look at that leg fully extended, and so we we have this one kick that we practice a lot and Jitsu, which is like a a front kick to the knee. Still Yeah Front stop to the needs. So I just started off with that boom stopped end up coming in clinching him took him down and right after we hit the ground east he started tapping. So I got off when I was like Oh. Okay. He gave up right and searches like no no, no no no no. No. That's not how this is going to go so. You can't tap just because you hit the ground. You know he goes. That's like Henry tapping standing up because he's not comfortable on his feet. Yeah. Because you guys are GonNa get. And he said Henry this time if he taps keep going I was like, okay. Cool. You know you just gave me the go ahead. So this time I was waiting for me, he knew what I was going to do, and he kind of waited for me to charge in. He caught me with a punch coming in Kinda grazing on the side of the. Cheek. clincher them took them down. I took him down he got me in a headlock. Cracking him in the ribs and eventually he let go because he was just holding on tight. You know not really doing any damages squeezing my head and I was just wailing on his ribs he let go and I got him in armour. He tapped in then I let it go Afterwards. He was sitting on the bench. You know the the that was basically the the Gracie Jiu Jitsu promotion campaign come in. Let us kick your ass and then sign up. That's what I was GONNA ask how many people who actually came into the door saying they wanted to fight ended up becoming students. So this guy end up signing up. We Call Them Kung Fu Joe actually saw kung-fu Joe, like five years ago. Nicely crazy. He came into my my old Jim Dynamics out of the blue I hadn't seen him in like. Fifteen years or something like that. I was like Holy Crap Comfy Joe. So first guy this guy that Kinda molded had one of the most powerful experiences for me in Juju he was sitting on the bench afterwards. And he said this to me and this this I'll never forget it. He said man he goes I've been doing Kung Fu for fifteen years. He goes and I feel like, I've wasted half my life. So I was like. Wow. I was a white belt. I've been training Jitsu for four months. He goes. You know he asked me how long I've been transit. Oh, I've been doing this for months. He saw that I was a white bill. You know he's not going to like that answer and he's like A. Sure. Whatever And he's like man I feel like I've wasted all of this time you know. And I just thought to myself. Wow I. Never WanNa be that guy. Right. So that was something that was really really power for me to always remember like I WanNa, make sure that what I'm doing. We'll be effective if I ever need to use it in real. Like it's gotta be it's gotTa work. If I ever need to use it, not just based on this belief system that someone says, Hey, you know if someone does just kick him in the balls or just you know. Upper, just throw a palm to their nose in break their nose in their bones, go into their brain right or punch him in the throat. So that is the question to be how in the hell do you get fifteen years into that? And believe that it's the solution that you're seeking. Fifteen years is a decade and a half. We'll check this out. Back then. Okay if you think about martial arts then. Nobody. Really understood the the effectiveness of grabbing. It was very, very few. If you watch all of the old movies, it was karate kid was huge which blew up karate. Then you have blood sport and all the Jean Claude van Damme movies, and so that was what was being promoted at the time. So everyone thought it was always about stand up fighting and stand up fighting Luke's cooler didn't ever get into a bar fight and be like Oh that shit doesn't work. There's no crane kick heared. Friends you don't have Internet to you don't have. That's actually a world seeing like, oh, wow, look at these fights. Look at you know. So he didn't have that transmission of information that you do today nowadays, you can pull up go to YouTube pull up one hundred videos and you can see oh, these are all falling on the ground all over the place these guys grabbing his head and going to the ground. If you don't have the experience of you've never seen a fistfight you're thinking, oh, these guys stand up and throw punches at each other. I still feel like there's some level of complicity of course. So I would say an still in America in. Brazil The the Kung. Tech Wando schools are not going out of business I. Mean There's some people are tops. Yeah Yeah right correct correct and just yesterday John and I were driving by. and. I said, oh there's the taekwondo school and there's kids out there and he goes how could it any parent in their right mind in roller kids and taekwondo knowing what we know now right And it is I mean I fifteen years ago I I could understand but nowadays, there's no excuse really I mean, I don't think there's anyone on the planet who hasn't seen the you have see I, think I honestly think people just don't know I mean if you knew a better solution, are you a better answer? You would do that and I think a big part of it is and this happens with Jujitsu schools to. A lot of people go into Jesus schools thinking they're gonNA learn how to fight. And the curriculum at a lot of Jujitsu schools has nothing to do with fighting but more. It's more geared towards competition scoring points, and so you go in with the belief like, Oh, I've seen this in the U. of C. You. I've seen this on TV and I've heard about it and all these people tell me that this is a great thing to learn if I wanNA, learn how to fight and they go in and put all of their belief in the instructor. Researcher says, oh. Yeah. I'm. GonNa teach you Jitsu and so they just okay this guy's teaching how to fire this guy is teaching me the art or this guys and they don't know that there's a difference in i. think that's what happens at a lot of these martial art schools we're going to teach you self defense right now you see that term self-defense thrown overall thrown you know big letters outside of all these martial arts schools. And people just want believe. I'm. Okay, this guy's the expert he's got a black belt. He's been doing this twenty years so he must know what he's talking about. Right, I don't think too many parents come into the instructors say, well, how many street fights have you been in? You know. Yep I would say probably uncommon onboard and question from the parent I think so too and and one thing to double back on Kong Fujio. I would even say he's a rare exception because there's I've seen it a bunch of times in the last twenty years where a guy comes in the same circumstances. That happens they walked out and they continue with that sunken cost. Valley's they don't sign up via because they don't want to face the. I'm fifteen years into this. I've spent tens of thousands of dollars on the black sash or a red belt or whatever, and it's just more convenient to just continue to pretend then to face reality that. Independent fucking violent confrontation somewhere, and then it's very unconvenient right? Inconvenient. Whichever human brain sometimes, not rational right? Like you see it investments all the time where people just throw good money after bad. That's a good point. So. Sport verses this last how long have you been in town now a couple of weeks to dot three three plus so he's been. Teaching a lot of Travis's classes Nelson has. But you don't know Nelson but he'll listen to this and it should be noted that he's been zero classes. It's a different story but Almost every class, you make the point of talking about if talking about a position where you'll talk about options like this doesn't work if we're talking about an environment where you can strike or la Oh or knee. The. Psych control and go into the pellet where you would go flopping and getting the angle versus grabbing enclosing the distance to me that makes perfect sense and I can see say you just taught the primary. Go to the iron pillow get laid it and didn't add that. Hey, this is not a non-competition move like if you do this in a striking I, just think in the back of my head. Okay. Parking lot at a bar two AM. This but this is the influence of. Hickson, Henry on our side but like I think and heater Henner do this as well. There's not that many there's a minority of people who actually will. You know weekly one or two classes a week. Okay. You have to have a mouthpiece gloves and not knocking each other out. The cool thing is like you're saying. It opened hands I can touch your face I can touch your face and that fixes everything. Rain Yeah exactly and that's and that's why I don't think people understood back in the day microphone closer we played. Damn various. Check joke. When we used to play with open palm strikes. I mean it was you know you think like, okay we're just doing slaps. No these were like full on like yeah wackle. That is why I asked you at the mad culture consumed. Oh, we would like roles would stop and everyone be watching one group go out and just like literally tagging each other people's faces would be wealth. handprints. And we were like we'd be like, Damn. So Do you think that this sport Jiu jitsu competition world is a threat? And I use that term broadly used. To. That traditional values of Jujitsu in what the Gracie family was originally training for teaching for because I've heard the same argument about judo they keep they. They'll take things away or they're adding rules if you put a rule set on anything. You're smart person. Let's say you're GonNa, make your money doing whatever that thing may be. You're an idiot did not play inside of the rule set and take advantage of everything that you possibly can. But then if you train for only a narrow band of possibilities, realize doesn't care about that will kick you right in the teeth. Well here. Here's what I will say I think a lot of instructors are doing their students a disservice because most people when they come in to start learning Jujitsu they learn the Marshawn, they want to learn how to defend themselves. They WANNA, learn how to fight they. WanNa learn how to protect himself and I don't think a lot of instructors make that differentiation of Hey, this is. I'm teaching you a sport and this is not GonNa work actually work in real combat. You know in these situations in these positions will put you in danger and this. Grabbing the sleeves and doing all this stuff might not work if you know streetfight. So. You know a lot of people make the argument that. Y- just if you learn Ju Jitsu, you're gonNA know how to fight right. But I mean the argument that I have is look if you don't train with strikes, right you're not gonNA use them in a fight. It's you you fight how you train. So it's like thinking, you're gonNA throw an uppercut in a fight when you'd never your life or throwing a high kick or knee in a fight when you don't practice that it's super sweet to see though especially about A. Six Pack or twelve or deep when they're only about three feet away from their targeting snap that fucker. I mean I, support that behavior completely I. Hope they missed their intended recipient but I've seen that a few times where guys try UFC moves, right? Straight straight drunk Jitsu like that's obviously the first time you've tried to fill in the blank. I've never done this before, but I seen John Jones and. How hard could it be a spinning backhand in the person's like eight feet away? So I think it's important to practice how you're going to fight right and so yeah, I think I think most students when they come in to do youtube that's what they're actually wanting to learn and I don't think that is the skill set that of instructors are teaching and it's not to say that. The sport style juicy people can't be highly effective in understanding, knowing how to dominate position knowing how to control people but it's different. It's not. Wrestling Right. Wrestling. is a highly effective, but you can't go into A. Mixed Martial arts fight. Only, knowing, wrestling rubbing you can you can you're not going to do so well, right. Choice on that one. Yeah, and so even though wrestling is is. An, amazing sport teaches you a lot of skills develops your your physical attributes You. Know you're you're doing. You're still doing someone a disservice. If you say, Hey, I'm gonNA teach you how to fight and only teach them wrestling. Yeah agree what how much of the training say you're going five days per week? How much of that? Would you include? Striking are open hand contact. When we were I mean like now for current school if they wanted to make sure that the people have it in the back of their mind at all times like, Hey, this positions great however. You're you know you've committed all this real estate once or twice a week once or twice a week? Okay. Once or twice a week and and For me as as the student, one of the things that while I was training one of the things I would constantly ask myself just subconsciously in my training is irt you know consciously my training is can I get hit in this position? So I like Every thirty seconds every forty seconds. Okay. I mean this business can hit me right now and if he can hit me, this is not good. Okay. Well, how do I position myself or where do I need to put my hands? Where do I need to be so that you know I don't get hit where you training. Up Striking kickboxing at all with the Jujitsu when you move to La was purely just because it's well to be honest. It's almost a dumb question because you guys were striking the fuck out of each other. So there was an aspect of that but I mean, like stand up boxing any of that stuff re no. So here's the thing is people don't realize how much striking we were doing injured, Jitsu? Yeah. It sounds like so that's a huge part of Jujitsu actually something that I. I'm going to cover this weekend. Thanks. Yeah. We're going to reclaim that Travis John Frankel requested that via me we're we're GONNA we're. GonNa cover striking because in it's awesome. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T Understand. You know in these positions by like in cross eyed, what are the tools that you have available to you? What are the strikes? What are the angles? It's like when you're when you're boxing someone You know depending on how the person puts her hands. You know where the openings are. You know how to set them up you know L. Camera Throw Punchier. He's GonNa Block or he's going to do this so. Those same skills apply to Jitsu. Right can I So kinda on what Andy's saying here. I agree wholeheartedly with the striking. Another thing that for me personally that I've noticed in just getting done with kids comp team. The. Lack take downs. That's another thing. I see a lot of sport Jiu Jitsu schools. They're like every fight 'cause the ground, but they teach like zero take downs like there's no take down. And that's that's a that is. Competition Jitsu has kind of killed that because. In competition you have another opponent who is one hundred percent willing to go to the ground with you Right. So both guys, and as a matter of fact, they probably are rushing to get to the ground. Sit there like hey, let's just get this over with. Let's just both sit on the ground and let's just put it on ourselves on the ground So. You know the guys and in even if the guy doesn't WanNa go around if you sit, he's got have to engage you right. So that's just not the case in industry fight industry fight nobody wants to go to the ground with you right and they're gonNA fight. Their for their life to prevent that. if somebody sat down on the ground in front of me, like a barb, like I'm getting the fuck out of here A. Stream Lee weird person you win. Maybe. Like Ryan's brother taking his pants off like that's interesting way to start a fight like I'm not GonNa take half of my clothing off. But that didn't work for them. Well, these you guys were not sober. You took your pants off and then it was really awkward to men. Standing by the way with their pants around their ankles like both teetering on falling over I'm just sitting in the hammock drink you'd be like, this is amazing. New New training. The trainer industry, you're constantly advancing our training method allergies correct. You're in Montana I. Feel like we found a dead end on that one that probably did maximal research. But Back to the same thing I I feel like that is as important if not more options striking 'cause like how are we going to fight to the ground if you don't train take downs will that's I think that's what you saw a huge transition in like Damian Maya his. skillset when he started competing in. MMA. He put a huge focus He re originally when he first started competing, he was trying to learn the stand up game. He was and then he got knocked out by Nate Marquardt and I think Hickson had a conversation with him afterwards about. He's you know, why are you putting so much time into. You know trying to learn stand up when these guys are years ahead of you they get knocked out on his feet. Yeah. He charged in jumped in he got knocked out on his feet I think Hickson emphasize like man your light years ahead of everyone on the ground why don't you focus on developing your take downs and his take downs got so good he was dominated. His single legs dominating wrestlers, NCWA champion Russia's like Shit. Dude he outfit Jon Fitch and tell. Someone. Took Down Chilton with. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Upper Body and He got good. So You know he he he put a lot of time into developing his takedown and that's why he was able to be. So exceptional with his Jujitsu you know were even high level wrestlers are basically running from him. You know they're not willing to engage from because they know his his you know his ability to take things and once it gets on the ground with him, you're in a world of trouble. So why don't you add more takeouts into the cap curriculum slash you force people to start matches on their feet at its owner. I start my matches on the feet not always. anyone who's willing to stand up. Fernow but is a good question I guilty to I I. I said that. Lazy. I sit down every time because I'm bigger than most people but I also know the hugest whole my game is on the so we ever judo program it at the gym So people are welcome to pursue take downs. we used to have a wrestling class but nobody showed up 'cause wrestling's hard and then. When it comes to take downs, it's in the curriculum, but it's two weeks. It's two weeks. It's just another subject but honestly, people start training in their forties fifties Take downs are you know whether you know how to fall or not? You're still falling? Yeah. So I don't feel personally comfortable in my ability to control the energy not hit somebody else like it open Matt's. On a Sunday where there's a bunch of his packed it's dangerous. Yes. Yeah. That's a draw blood circle around how do how would we do? There are takedown classes usually if we we're we're. We're doing take downs. It's the whole class by the whole classes focused on, which is we'll do the two weeks there comes up. That's exactly. So we'll do you know a few different take downs at work in transition with each other like you go for one, he's going to counter defend by doing this. Then you can transition this, and then at the end of class we do we don't allow we because just the Matt space we didn't wouldn't allow people to. Roll and be doing take downs at the same time we would just have take. So there's a couple of different ways that we do it. Some days we would do okay. One guy is just going for the take down. The other guys job is just to defend knock it down. So that way you have one person developing their offense one person developing their takedown defense other days we would have both guys trying to take down and how we would do it is we have. One Guy. So we would set up like three or four pairs. Everyone else would be lined up on the wall so that there's enough space because when you're on your feet, they're so much more movement people running around people charging in people backing up we would have three or four groups, and then whoever's back hits the ground I, they're out the next guy's in. So one guy sees them and what ends up happening is talking about king of the take down the guy who is staying in the usually has some good take downs or is as more skill once they start getting tired. What will happen is so so it's kind of a battle of how do you how do you? Regulate your your expenditure of energy so that you can actually stay in keep winning these these takedown battles you know and eventually. If you stay long enough. You're going to get tired enough where you know because there's so much energy expended most guys. Expend. So much energy trying to take down it's it's most guys are kind of white belt in that takedown area where. You know when when you're a white belt and you I train, your everything is just kind of forced. You know you're just going hard to try to accomplish things. So it's it's the same guys get tired really quick when they're doing downs. So. Yeah. That's that's how we would train the take downs and It was super helpful. We usually spend you know like travis does a week or two weeks just doing take downs then move onto something else and but we would kind of keep constantly circle back to that and just focus on down for a couple of weeks and then we do clinching drills so. You know we break apart the training and focus on different aspects of the fight to one guys punching when guys just trying to get in the distance without getting hit I. Forget what you called. It comes up I think in November or December in the curriculum, but you might even call it self defense I do call it since the most awesome two weeks because it's one attack, the other takes him to the ground switch in. It's the what you're talking about close the distance get through the range being able to hit inch down two weeks where we we we were take downs but also. The attendance goes like us to bad people who love and we're just like, fuck? Yeah this. Well it's so uncomfortable, right? It's so uncomfortable for people to. Faith have punches thrown at their face? Yeah. So I mean, you know Jujitsu is uncomfortable enough just having someone dominate physically just wrestling with you being on top of you but then you add in punches that was the same thing at at at my gym in La when we would do MMA classes most the guys are like this is the best Khl the guys that were coming like this is the best classic classes should be this but you'd have four members. Even, though the training you know the way that we do the training is it's a very, very soft training, right meaning. When we're throwing strikes were never throwing strikes to injure our training partner and that's something i. always emphasize like, Hey, you're just throwing strikes to let them know like, Hey, you're exposed here from this position you can be hit so but you're still throwing strike. So the guy who strikes is learning like, Hey, okay and this position, these are the strikes available. We do elbows knees up you know punches kicks So. But man for a lot of people the panic and was with the other thing too is the intensity is different because a lot of times? Jitsu. When you in a bad position, you can rest. When their strikes involved when you're in a bad position, there's no way you can rest because you're getting hit. and. So you have to move. So the pace is always a lot quicker a lot more intense, the only time that you can. Really. Rest is if you're in the dominant position and you decide okay I'm just gonNA. Hold right now not throwing strikes. So how long did your journey continue under Hickson? How long did you stay train with Jim fifteen years Falko yeah. Longtime how many times in that time period where people come in there and want to try to get a piece of Hickson or ever happen. You know so. After the NGO fight, there was a famous he talked about on Joe's podcasts where the guy from Japan Russell came into. he kind of made an example. A little a little bit quit coming here. Come here. Try to fight me you know. This is. Yeah be happy if you walk out alive pretty much I can get behind. That's like a bumper sticker type driving up your driveway. Right and his face is just the recently reappeared on like facebook. So I don't know about this fight Oh Henry tell many people may not either. So we might as well pack this touch. So here's what happened. What year is this this is ninety five. Can You unpack that campfire? I can only only I was called a mix and only if Henry talks closer to the my hero. Hickson was fighting in Japan's GonNa want something else that know. Deal with has an envelope on it. I'm good. ESCARGOT, ones come next Henry okay. Car Bombs. I was last man standing last time we did those I it's probably. told me. I was trapped. We went we went and had pizza at the end the Mike where's Andy like oh? This is what Andy Oh. This is this all drinks gets us all hammered and then just go. To. Hammer by yourself Irish exit. The Irish eggs, how many you? How bad is it? When John, Cavanaugh who always Irish exits and is Irish turns to me and says Where's your tough navy seal buddy? I'm like Irish. I took so much pleasure. So, much pleasure watching him visibly sweat when the Tequila shots. Take face you'd like. It would go down and you just see him questioning his choices but you didn't know about was when you weren't looking he came to me like who is this guy and why are we doing car bombs into? He's like I'm GONNA throw up don't throw and also when you're around an Irish Dude, if you've never had the chance to, Irish, goodbye in Irish version, you have to try to at least one time. Well, you did more than try for sure it's my signature move came to order something at the bar at the hotel. All right. So the NGO fade, so the NGO. So. Estimating Japan in event called the Valley Tutto. because hoist was fighting in the AFC Valley. Tudo was backed in the rule CPI I. Think a lot of people don't understand. Back in the day, the rule set for fighting and how fights used to go. So back in the day there was no way division. And you had to fight three guys. In, one night to win it was tournament style. So back in the early days of the people forget how bad ass houses right he had to fight. In an octagon he to fight three guys in one night, there is no gloves. You could groin strike. You can throw punches to the groin. The only rules were no biting and gouging, but soccer. allowed. All of soccer kicks were allowed. It was gnarly. And you had to fight no weight divisions right nowadays like the the rules set nowadays where you have weight divisions and you have rounds no rounds back then either yeah. So Hoists filer seven fourteen wait a minute. There was no round until it ended till it and there was no time cap it was. It was Thunderdome. Times three nothing you said, surprise me up until no round. Rounds because you can. It's like doing cross fit. I'm going to go really hard for five minutes. Get my points I'm arrest. The problem with rounds is. It, five minutes. They stand you back up. You go back to your corn you can rest and it gives the grappler a lot less time because sometimes it takes a couple of minutes just to get the guy to the ground if you're a grappler and the other guy knows you're trying to take him down, he can defend and what happens is you end up on the ground right with. An Outstanding but yeah. But what happens is they start you standing again they start you back on your feet at a at a distance right and so that gives a huge advantage to the striker. Right? They don't discourse back. Okay. You guys are on the ground. Let's start back here on the ground in the same position. So that gives a huge advantage to to, and so that's one of the things you know with when he was fighting later and pride they made those rules were you know ten minutes I think around I try. To give the guy more time to work with them. Worth Grappo a little bit more time. But So. Back. Then the valley to does he was finding valley. Tudo had to fight three guys when I to win this angel- started talking smack about Hickson in Japan was you kept challenging challenging Hickson was like if you WanNa fight me put up some money. The Guy Ends Up. Flying to L. A. With a bunch of members of the Japanese press saying that he's GonNa kick some ass. So. That morning comes in to the academy I wasn't there but this is you know I heard all the stories in. It's pretty funny because there there's we have these green mats that I used to lay out every morning I used to lay out the mats in the morning set up the academy. And there was one matt that I was always put down. These are like these old foldout Matt's right that were just worn down to like the you probably used to be about an inch and a half and they were worn down to about a quarter inch. So you're rolling a basically a t shirt. On top of like wooden floors right karate floor. and. There was one matt with a giant bloodstain in it that would never come out. The Matt was worn down the vinyl was worn down so that you can see like the fibers. And there was a giant bloods it and I'd always put down that Matt and be like, yeah, that was angios face. So. The guy comes in with all these members of the Japanese press from Japan. Challenges Hickson Hicks not there. He doesn't teach them morning class. So he didn't know he was coming. Didn't know he was coming. Awesome. Ambush all team. Yeah. They ambush him. They call them at his house in the PALISADES and The two instructors there at the time Lewisham ratio call in house and say Hickson we don't know what's going on. There's this Japanese guy here He won't talk to us. He said, he only wants to you. Hicks. Already, kind of knew who it was. So he jumps in the car grabs the video camera has Kim grabbed the video camera Kim as driving to the academy Hicks taping up his hands. The whole time you know taping up his sons as. Yes. Yes Comes in. To clock in and this Japanese guys warming up as. A fever of flu or colder, and he will fix. Yourself he wasn't helping. Resting. Yeah. But So. He comes in. He knew NGO. And the guys try to get him to sign the waiver. Hey, sign the waiver and Hicks it's like fuck that throws away route. He says kick the Japanese press out. So kicked all the members of the press out has the guys close the door and they're holding up geeze over they had these two little windows. It was like folding doors swinging doors. So. They, square up. Hickson. Takes, him. Down? Pretty. Quick. Gets on top mounts him starts punching him. There's a punch that you hear and you hear allow crack I was NGOs knows going Joe Is trying to get out of the mount and just wiggles and they actually wiggle underneath this railing and Hicks throwing punches and keeps hitting his elbow on the railing as he punches and they're like rip so they rip the railing off. Hicks and Hicks and drags him back to the middle. Eventually the guy turns back. Hickson puts me to sleep right. But literally like the guy was begging for mercy and Hickson just wouldn't stop. It was like a beatdown they're. GonNa. Kill him. You know so. After he chokes Andrew Out. Face down. He's laying in a puddle of blood a puddle blood that formed underneath his head. He's unconscious. He goes. Okay. Let them in now. So the Japanese press comes back in and he's laying face down in puddle of. Blood. So they literally thought Hickson murdered him and the manager is bawling crying screaming and they pick them up you know and then all the the. You know magazines all the press are taking pictures of his face just being completely destroyed. Hickson sitting there like just like. I can think of. And he's just jacked at the time. Right and his hands like taped up blood all over his hands. So that was pretty much. You know you come here things debt brought back to after that. There's a great still shot of exactly the holiest. Hickson. Devil. Scare yeah, and he has like he'll get. Those is when he gets it you you just know like fuck man I fucked up this like I had no idea what I'm getting myself into right was rolling with him like. That noise is what Frankel describes rolling with. You is like pretty much. It's Is Hard to explain you know because you never really know where. He's where he's at what he's. There's days where I would train with him and I felt great and I was like man wow I did good today and then literally couple months later when I'm better, he'll turn with me and literally just. Run through me like tap me out every. Minute and he would do that with the best of the best guys you know. So that's the crazy thing. I. Would see all of these world champs coming from. Brazil all of the young. studs at the time world champions and I would think, okay, this is the guy that's GonNa see this guy's been killing everybody this been he's been he submitted all the guys this last tournament, all the black belts he went against. This is the guy who's going to give a hard time. And then literally. Every single time my job would be on the ground I, would just be like. No Way. He would just you know it was it so hard to gauge his level because he's just so much better than everyone he would make everyone look like a white belt and. You know one of the most common things you would hear from all of these black belts who had the experience or had the opportunity to train with him. Some of the things they say is I feel like I don't know any Jitsu or I felt like a white belt or I felt helpless. That was that's kind of the common thing. Everyone say you know I had guys I would bring up friends. That would train with him and they would take their belts off and throw away be like I don't deserve this like because you told a story about this in Vegas, we can leave names out of this, but it involved a black belt in a garbage can on the way out the door. That's that's that's public. I'd. Was Dave Camarillo okay, and at the time he was one of the top American competitors So I brought Dave up there to train with Nixon and Dave wrote about it he wrote. To Seattle and David, Dander both great Jericho. Awesome. Yeah Great. I remember you. You're rolling with your Purple Buddy at the time, and then he caught out of the corner of your eye. On that was a different. That was a different. Guy The one where that was dave who through his belt in the trash. And He talks about it because he just felt helpless in at the time. I mean Dave was amazing I he's like an amazing judoka You know he was he was the head coach at Aka for for a while head coach at AK. So entering guys like Fitch check and all those guys. So Yeah after hero Hickson, you know he literally threw his belt in the trash He was just like man I felt helpless. He couldn't do anything any of his like his strongest aspects of his game. He couldn't pull anything through butter. Yeah, and Hickson just. You, know and. What's crazy is he rolled with him and two other two or three other of the top guys from house because all of the guys from house would come down and Kinda hang out at my house. Stay at my place. It was I had a Jitsu hostile in la it was like a three bedroom apartment all Jujitsu guys, and we had mats in our living room at anytime guys. Would come. Just, like you know we were all just. Poor. jujitsu athletes right. So everyone could just stay at my house and so I brought all those guys up and they trained and Hickson literally just ran through each of them like multiple times and made it does he look like he's working for it or is he just efficient and? Slicing through the butter. I mean. I would see him tap guys out without breaking a sweat. So. That's what's you know and obviously it's not like he's not human. To be able to tap a high level guy out within thirty seconds and then do it again. It's like, do you see that match with Pooja and Hug Gracie? Yes match. So, everyone's like blown away by that match like crap that much. So amazing and it is. It's absolutely incredible. You know you have a Guy Hajer who hadn't competed in Jujitsu Negi in five years comes back beats I think. Eight time world champion or something like that younger. Yeah. Younger. Actually stand for cheeks The lamb chop the mutton chop. Shitty Shitty it's world. Has Puffy. So bitches twenty, five pounds heavier. They consider him the most athletic heritable time and then Hajer. You know once the fight hits the Ground Hodgson within two minutes. Incredible, right. So, I would see Hickson do that. To the current world champion five times in a row. Six Times in a row so he wouldn't just. TAP them out once he make sure like Hey Jesse. No that wasn't luck. Yeah. And it was the second time. In case, you thought that was luck. Here's a third right and just in case you thought that was luck. Here's a fourth. It was insane I mean I would see him. There were times were guys would come from Brazil. Hoy would bring a team from Brazil and he would lineup twenty five guys. On the wall. And he would shark tank himself. So he would sit in the middle of the Matt. And basically pull out one guy tap five times next guided five times, and he would literally sit in the middle them out for an hour. And Roll with guys and just run through guy after guy after guy without without getting a drink of water. So it's pretty it's pretty crazy because. Back then you know. There's no video footage of it right and it's so hard for people to believe that someone actually has that skill of unless you've seen experience you but you also hear directly from those guys'll. Book Jujitsu University. It's like right in the in the beginning he talks about rolling with fixing and he says it right there. This is the arm bar that Hickson gets me with every time we roll. Yup So when you hear from guys who are at that level. Again, all of the all of the guys that have had the opportunity to roll with him, you know say it but you know there's there's there's a of mysticism within the Jujitsu community too because it's so hard. It's like. Seeing UFO. You know all these people that have seen you votes like I. Know It exists I saw their. Foolish Shit. Yeah, right. What were you? You know? So what do you think it is about Hickson the gives him the ability. I i. think it's multiple things I think Obviously he's very into his. Conditioning right his his athleticism. Now he was never the the biggest or the strongest of the guys but he had an amazing combination of size strength endurance. His endurance is through the roof. I've actually never seen him what's his height weight five, foot ten and? He. Won Seventy five in the earlier years. By the time he his last fight he was to five. When he fought for anarchy, he bulked up but his usual weight was about one, eighty, five, walk around one, eight, five, five, ten, one, eighty, five bucks. We'll have two inches and twenty pounds. Okay. For some reason, I thought he was like, yeah, six, three, no four eighty not not not a very I mean, yeah, you know buyers there's not a huge dude and. So you know he had a great combination of strength speed. Endurance was always and so like if you've ever seen documentary choke one of the things, he really focus on his his breathing. Yeah in the. Stream and Japan or somebody to. Yes breathing exercise Yep exactly and so that's you know that he attributes a lot of success success injury Jitsu to his breathing into his ability to knock guitar. That's a huge thing concept and Jitsu is not only having You know that's a big thing with the efficiency. Training and not using any more strength than you need to get the job done and his the pace that he was able to put on. And Force other guys to keep up with he would gas dudes out. And just knowing how to breathe in in his breathing regimen as he was by the way, I have a present for you. that's super non sequitur. But I'm I'm on board. He's breathing no have risen for you. Why I brought you a book from from a breathing coach us we work with Greenwich Try, to hold my breath in the most compromising because that's. Just hold your breath the until you go out. Okay. Asked if you one. Up. I just try I. Try I try to control my breathing but like a row with John and I can tell he's trying to breathe his knows yeah. I'm not at that level yet I'm in full fucking survival mode. Breathe breathing is so crazy. I mean it's it's it's such a necessary component for athleticism and endurance and everything I think it's it's just something that nobody focuses on in athletics I. Think just now there's a lot of information starting come out I. Just read a couple books on breathing and so it's now just starting to come more into light like how important it is for athletic performance and recovery. We have a guy at the Whitefish Jim Logan. I would say in the last five days as got better it was one of you to said, he made him hold water. A mouthful of water that was and we're GonNa Roll and that reminded me of my inner buds instructor, which is amazing. Go get a mask full of seawater and then a mouthful of seawater do wind sprints. It's pretty awesome because it's impossible. But I get to set the rules. So fuck you and. But he Logan's awesome. First off he loves youtube. So the shit he will try to use unbelievable. He has no understanding of the like the leverage that you need to use, but he'll go for this crazy shit. Since Day one, I, Mrs flowing hair actually he came in day one, go for finicky or see noman dude fifth year hard in the paint at the old white fish him by the time we got open at the end the class he's in the fucking corner fetal from the driller. Smile. Nicest guy ever attitude. But last week they started talking to him about his breathing. Okay and so it slowed him way down. And I tried to much Mike, we're going to have the slowest role you've ever had start slow his shit is way better. It is just because he's focusing on his breathing he's thinking he actually he actually performed the best of everybody today in Whitefish did he in terms of technique? Yes I thought awesome. Yeah. It makes a huge difference in, so you know going back days. The difference that I saw him I would say five days and just slap enhance him. Yeah and just being conscious about what you're doing with your your breath and breathing and that's a common thing juicy that I tell everybody people tend to hold their breath because they're exerting so much that like. For Nevada's Hunter Hill controls breathing for about two minutes to two minutes and thirty, and then it's a wild ride. But he's GonNa. He's GonNa get that really. Somewhere forgets about halfway through you feel dump into Fifth Union like Oh. Shit I'm distracted. But. That's that that that was a huge thing about Hickson is. Not to get tired you know he his his breathing was huge in that and then his mind. I mean he he so analytical when it comes to Jitsu he he so deepen his level of understanding. I mean, even during the the last few years training with him, he was constantly evolving his juicy constantly improving everything that he was I mean he was already the best right guy in the world he'd been the best guy in the world for. Twenty years, but he was still improving things still learning taking things like guys from Brazil would come because the the game was evolving so much in Brazil with the competition he was still looking at those things and still learning and breaking the techniques down and figuring out better ways of doing things. That's awesome. How long did it take you to get your black belt underneath him? eight years that had years pretty hell of an experience received your black belt straight from Hickson Gracie? Yeah. I. Mean. You know I it was always the goal that I set out to do is get my black belt at the time. At the time when I moved to La. No American Ever GonNa buy buffer mixing, and so that was my goal I was the third. American. To get back bill from him and it was huge. It was huge but for me. When I compare myself to that standard I never ever felt worthy. You know I'm incumbent theme I've heard from almost every black boat it's such a high standard due to compares to I'm like I'm a black Hickson blackbox and I know he's got a bunch of Simpson Bubba like there's no way I deserved to where this belt like. So when he gave me the belt. Man I didn't I didn't even want it. It was a huge honor but I was like man and and even when he gave me my bra, I was like Hickson you know I don't I refused I said Hickson I don't feel like I'm ready for this. You know I don't. I'd. Like I appreciate it and I you know. I trust you and but I don't feel like I'm ready and he was always leave. You know he would. He told me like. Your Brown belt. He goes, and in time you'll be a great brown belt you know but you deserve it, and so you know. Were about but man I e when you're comparing yourself to to him it just. So it's such hard shoes to follow in can only imagine. So how long have you been a black belt now? So I've been a black belt now Thousand Four. So sixteen years or so twice as long as it took you to get it. Yeah. Your understanding of Jujitsu now versus your of Jujitsu then. Oh, it's completely different. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's the beginning of the journey is the narrative I hear from almost everybody a lot of times when you know when I tell people I, think when I got my black belt is when I I really understood what you're. Jitsu was you start you have like an understanding of what Jitsu is and It just continues to evolve. The last. Five six, seven years. The quest for me has really been. How do I continue to? Have the same effectiveness. Using less energy. So the goal is for me last few years is is becoming more efficient with my energy using less energy to achieve the same results you know, and then developing my understanding of weight distribution better like understanding how to use my weight more effectively to create pressure because you know obviously, if you use like there's two people create pressure with Z one with strength by holding tight by gripping hard by squeezing or you can create pressure with weight. And that's one of the things that Hickson was a master at is using his weight. You know people that train with him Kamisese they felt like they were drowning. Training with them because it was just like a lead blanket on top of you couldn't even move and every move like swimming in quicksand and so he was so good at positioning his weight anywhere that you wanted to move that literally to be able to move in that direction or do what you need to do you had to exert like all of your energy. You know while he's exerting middle, he's just laying on you. I hear the energy bars going down for. Didn't you describe rolling with Henry basically having a waterbed on top of you I have a lot of discussion. Like one of the best things Henry said to me, what was like a light bulb moment? It goes back to your last question was he's like look. There are. Equal or bigger differences between individual black belts than there are between white belts, black belts. Right Yeah said Mike I thought about it and it's absolutely true. About Mo- they say on average it takes ten years to get. From White, belt, to black belt. I've been a black belt for, sixteen years. So the range and you never stop as long as you're practicing as long as you're saying, you're going to keep getting better. Right that that's a never ending. Also a difficult concept for some people to wrap their head around. But there is that the end state as you move, the end state is moving in front of you the entire time as well. Yeah. There's no end to it which is. Unlike the black sash man, it's inspirational for me got to know that. Hey, look the more time and energy I commit to this I'm only going I can keep getting better. There's no, there's no end. You know I think a lot of people think like, Oh, I want to just get my black get to this point but I mean there's an that was a huge thing for me seeing Hicks and how how much better he was than all of the number one guys. You know any given year like this current will champion to see what he could do with those guys guys that were fifteen years younger twenty pounds heavier. You know tapping everybody out in the Bible Division to see what he could do where he would. TAP guys out every thirty seconds or forty, five, six or every minute and a half. You know just see him run through and back to back to back to back. You know So that was always kinda focused like how do I develop myself? So I can achieve that. You know. You ever met people that you refuse to teach Jujitsu to. We've kicked guys from the gym. Yeah. So there's been guys at my gym that we've had to kick out for what reasons. Just hurting training partners being super aggro you know and just not getting not getting it That You know we all need each other to get better. I think a lot of people when they you know there are certain people where it's it's unintentional. They don't know any better and they don't realize that they're using strength spacing out or whatever but Yeah once you sit down and have a talk with them multiple times you know you kind of have to say look is it worth more students getting injured for not and there's also guys that have bad attitude. Right there's a lot of guys that have bad attitudes and you're like, do I really want to? Give this guy superpowers. weaponising predators. Yeah. So you know I. Think there's a huge responsibility on the instructor's part in making sure when you're you're sharing this knowledge with someone, you know there's Some responsibility behind that, right? So the guy you caught rolling with Hicks and out of the corner of your high, you were that guy you're rolling with your. Scripted me like I was having my death match with my normal Purple Belt Buddy. Yeah and then we caught out of the corner of the eye that the show is on and we immediately stopped. The what's so funny is we were like, oh Well. Here's the thing is Hickson. We didn't expect Hicks in the train that day because he hadn't trained in nine months, the is coming off an injury right? He he had a really bad groin injury and he was resting his groin because he was trying to get healthy enough to get a fight right and so he wanted to be healthy enough that he could train for fight and they were throwing out the opponents Adam and you know his last fight. He's probably made like a million dollars for but he was he was the highest paid MMA fighter during his time. So he was trying to get healthy to be able to do this fight in Japan. So it wasn't training at all and You know we had this guy come in multiple time world champion just got back from winning the Pan Am's. And? MAULING everybody and Hickson. Comes up come shows up at the school teach class at day and at the end of class. Like, I asked him to train. We didn't know this Hickson goes. Okay. Guys are on the train boom we all start rolling. Out of the corner. My. Oh, Shit they're going. At immediately stop what No. No. So we. Literally within a few minutes. The whole Matt's cleared up. There's like forty of US training, right and literally within a few minutes, the whole Matt is cleared off. Everyone's just sitting watching they're going back and forth back and forth high pace you know. After about five or six minutes Hicks and catch him in an arm bar from a guard. Is this like his favorite move you brought up armour to he's got. Pretty. legit arm bar there. Yeah. Sounds like it. Yeah. I mean, Hickson. It's I asked Hickson once I said, what is your strongest position? And he said my guard, he goes I don't even think I can pass my guard. All right. So he was a modest man. When you know you know right I guess faulk. All right. So they're at it. He catches them with an arm bar from the garden. Slap hands go again and. After. About two or three minutes, the guy taps. Hixon's cross eyed on the taps and I'm just like. I asked my buddy johnny sitting right next. Mars like dude what he get him with do you see he's like Nah Nah I didn't see. So after Class I, asked Hickson I said Hickson I. Didn't see what was that last thing that you call them with. He, said, he tapped to the pressure I was like what? He tap to pressure he goes listen. He goes. I knew that he was gonna come at a really intense base in great shape right now he goes I haven't trained in months my groins hurt I knew that the pace was going to be hard. So what I did is I made him carry my weight for all of these minutes. and just forced him. You get tired. You know and after a while. Guys you know when they're going at that intensive pacing, you're working the heart it's used to do cross it right So imagine doing across it workout were. Exit One, hundred, eighty, five pounds. So you're grabbing hundred eighty, five pounds from the ground picking up over your head and you're doing that nonstop for five minutes while every time you exhale your ability to inhale gets a little bit less and less young less. You're breathing volumes, decreasing right and then someone's. Compressing, your chest, your lungs Shand along before that guy did. So. That's exactly what happened. He you know he was basically laying on his chest keeping putting his weight on his chest, which is it's a it's a skill that you learn in Jujitsu, how to use your weight efficiently to not only make it harder for people to move but to make it hard for people to breathe right and You know there's a really famous match in Matamoros I. Always give an example of which a match with Dean lister and Josh Barnett. Where the match had gone on for twenty minutes and the last minute of the fight Josh Catches. Dean. In this movie scarf hold. Ending taps now dean is considered one of the best American rappers ever he's a two-time ADC champion and before that match, he hadn't been submitted in competition in fourteen years. Fuck. Since, he was a purple belt I think. He tapped pressure. So it doesn't hold is interesting type of pressure. Pocketed deny that it's pressure. But it's It's drowning on dry-land. Yeah. It's. It's yeah. It's. It's. It's. You. Know what I always explain. It's it's it's s fixation. It's you hear about. Things that happening in earthquakes where something heavy balls onto someone's chest, and what happens is your lungs can expand. To breathe to take oxygen and people die. From asphyxiation right and that's why obviously the breathing. So important understanding knowing how to take in oxygen knowing you know different parts of your body where you can breathe from in how to change you know and that was one of. The big things with Hicks in his understanding how to breathe even if someone laying on top of your chest breathing through your your back breathing, you know lower down through your belly so. Twenty four years what's been the highlight of the journey? There's too many to to to mention many one thing stick alight. Anyone. You Know I. Feel. So blast. I mean. With Jujitsu. A massive blessing in in my life it mainly comes down to all of the people I. Mean Look I'm sitting here with you guys hanging out, you know get into, hang hang out with you into your podcast. So I I think the the main thing for Jitsu for me is the relationships and the bonds that it builds between people when you talk about the things that bring joy to people's life right I think. Everybody, knows it's has nothing do with money? there's so many people that. Have all this money and fame and they killed himself. Right I think What it really comes down to good healthy relationships in your life the the more of that you have in your life, the better your life is the more richer life becomes in. So that's the biggest thing for me is man all of the people, all of my best friends in my life are often Jitsu. Fill most parts. So so how would the other side of that coin? What's been the low point in the twenty four years? I had a haixing son. Who is my best friend at the time? passed away was. You know killed and That was really really tough was a time I was purple time. and. We were training partners. We train every day together and we were supposed to get our brown boats together. You know, and at the time I'm twenty five, he's eighteen. You know you kind of envision a future together like Oh man, it's going to be so cool and we're doing this together that together and I had not at that age I had not experienced death yet. Anyone. Super close to me and so when he passed away First. Time that I experienced he was like a brother you know so. It was very, very difficult for me to come back. I stopped doing Jitsu for about six months I went to a deep state of depression And It was just very, very difficult for me to come back in and start. Training. And you know like anything it just it just something that takes time and something you know you had to spend time in process right And so that was that was extremely difficult time but I nowadays when I look back and talk about that experience I also realize what a gift it was. You know and I always tell people. So. That was my first best friend that I had my two other best friends die When you're after that and the next year after that they all three, my three best friends all died three years in a row. So don't become my best friend. Yeah Shit. Then you know that was actually the first thought they did run through my mind if I'm being totally honest. AM. I see a pattern here I'm not smart. So that's that's a lot of personal loss in a short period of time especially at such a young age because you don't. You know I think a lot of times that towards end of life you expect like, yeah. That's kind of more on your mind like okay we're getting older. You don't expect twenty, five, twenty six to be losing your friends. I'm sure you've dealt with a ton of that and I I think it's almost easier though when it's you know my mom dying verses, friends dying. It's it was easier to deal with my mom gets diagnosed with cancer and you can lay it out verse is. You spread out you come back at the end of the night and you're like what? Who the fuck is that in the stretcher like that's a tougher one to deal with. Yeah. For sure when it's unexpected in, you know all three were unexpected surprise. And it may like looking back now. I, tell people I mean during that time you know went into a deep depression. The second one was easier for me to deal with because I had kind of you know dealt with the first one and kind of But it just makes you appreciate people so much more. You know you kind of learn. I learned at a very young age don't take people for granted. Don't take your time for granted because. It can happen anytime. You can go don't leave things unresolved. You know make sure you tell people that are close to you that you love them. You know let them. You know we always expect people to know and like. That's the thing is. I always tell my friends before I off the phone with I. Love You man I just. Want you to know that because it's important and it would be one of the worst things left unsaid. Yeah. So it was it was a very. Tough time but I learned so much and I always tell people I like. When I think about death now it's it's a gift because. Without it, we wouldn't value our time over my if we if we had forever than I, could do it tomorrow for I could tell them later or I'll. Wait a few months before I. Reach out to that person and make up because I can do it anytime and so I. It really is you know what a what a gift it is to. Have the urgency into value. Time. Couldn't agree more. How often were you injured in your training along the way? Man I was so lucky. You know I I was very, very lucky. I had little tweaks, but I never had like massive massive injuries until just the last few years what do you consider massive massive? Scale shifts on this one quite substantial. So where where I have to have surgery. Okay. Right surge so. Surgery Wise. I've had to meniscus surgeries one of my right on my left, which is not massive by it. Most people skills I've had a back low back injury and it was probably a combination of training, but it didn't happen during training. It happened when I was actually doing like sprints upstairs so. But that all happen, just the last few years and then stuff going on with my shoulders have had some shoulder stuff and I it's probably just from years and years of wear and tear and I think one of things people don't realize when you're doing all the time. How much we rotate our shoulders in how we're always kind of Ford rotation on the shoulders were always kind of defending and keeping our arms in. Tight. So we have all this. Ford so it's taught me a lot about my body and Tommy how to kind of rehab myself so but you're able to escape that progression without any massive catastrophic injuries along the way. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean I barely have cauliflower ear which is crazy and I don't train with headgear. Yes. So I, you know even though we were we were going to war a lot I think. Coming from Hixon's we were also there was such a huge emphasis on technique. And being technical You know that was a huge thing that he always emphasized and tried to beaten our heads is is things have to feel effortless and soft if they're not then you're doing it wrong and come ask me and I'll show you like if it feels like you're using too much strength and. So that was a huge thing is just learning to be smooth in learning not to resist and fight learning not to be stiff. So a lot of that's you know I was I was talking to rob. Wolf, you've had rob. So. I was talking to rob one day and I was telling him I said Yeah. That's I think that is a major contributor to a lot of the injuries in Jeju. Is. Anytime, someone stay tightens up stiff. Squeeze their muscles. What happens is they've completely lost all of their mobility. So no matter how much she stretch no matter how flexible your as soon as you tense up all the muscles. As soon as you lock this into place, if someone rips your arm, because all everything is tightened and shortened up now you don't have. So if i Titan Arum like this someone ripped my arm Elliott's going that's my when norm my normal range of motion is I can move my arm all the way here, and so I, think that's a huge thing for people to learn Jitsu is. And what's so funny is instructors from day one try to beat it into students. Heads Learn to relax learn to relax relax. But for most of us, we don't experience it. That much Jitsu like you saw pants with someone in? Initially when most people are training? All the panic it feels like you're it almost feels like you're in a fight. Right people get that that and they tense up and so that's a huge thing that happens over time with youth sues learning to deal with that that And learning to relax through it and just make yourself calm through it. Makes Sense the difference between trying to bend a long stick that's been dried out and rigid versus green stick, and you can just touch the ends with it. Yeah. Yup makes total sense. So that's I think that's a huge thing and obviously tapping is helpful knowing when to tap I mean you know Myself included I was knucklehead when I was younger and I've had you know my elbows pop like my still pop from having them you know extended just not wanting to give up when I know I should and you know that's that's the beautiful thing with Ju Jitsu is we all have a tool to be able to protect ourself right and that's tapping yes. Anytime I get caught in any situation where you know I mean what's more important for me is that I come back tomorrow and train for sure right. So just learning Wendy Tap and knowing that I have that tool at any given time anything time things get too uncomfortable to that I can tap and start again. The. Gentleman what are you have? Best every single question. You guys are just sitting here drinking beer. It's unbelievable. We've been on before. Yeah I was actually doing what you doing which was learning. Same. I've talked. Like with the level of knowledge in this room, I actually don't even know the right questions to ask, I mean you guys have such different not an optical I'm in third place. So I'm I'm closer to you than I am to these guys that's actually not true methods I think Henry just explained that. Like I mean, there are levels to black belt like these guys have have been blocked for much longer than I, have and. I'm super excited. Have Henry. Here. you know having part of SPG is just you know? Yeah, that was that was. Yeah. When when he when he said that I was like man. Perfect fit like his style of teaching and the way he thinks about your Jitsu. Exactly. That's the thing. Yeah. It just our philosophy about martial arts and. Besides. Training methodologies it's it's understanding how to train effectively and F- having the right mindset for training. You know being smart with training in keeping it realistic and understanding that first and foremost it's a martial art and this is for combat. You know we'll Qisas going to kill us we go much longer. So the number one question I always get which I'm not qualified answer is what do you recommend for people when they're first starting reasonable expectation that they could set for themselves? or at I should say an expectation, they should set in a mindset that they should. Go in with. So for me, I always. Focus on the fundamentals One of the things I'm really big on teaching is the concepts and ideas so. I always. Understanding the concepts and ideas behind Jujitsu, and then explaining that through the technique. So for example, the Mount Position, this is what you're trying to achieve. So when you're in the mount, you know your job is to maintain the position and then you know go for submission and these are the different things. These are the different ways you can go for submission. So I think that is really really huge because. Understanding what you should be doing like. Okay. These are the positions when you first start training. These are the positions you want to get to. You know you WANNA be on top and if you're on top you good luck with that cross is. I started. Let me. About where you'll be later on this is called mountaintop you'll be on the opposite of that position this journey at least you know you wanNA fight for that position right you wanNA fight for the top position. If you end up on the bottom, this is where you want to be if you end up on the bottom wanna be have the person in between your legs that you have more control of them right and then just kind of go from there so I think understanding the the. Fundamentals concepts behind what you're trying to achieve you know is so important for juicy understanding, wide you to as effective with these are the positions like we'll. We'll talk about it this weekend in these positions. When I mounted on someone, it's very difficult for them to be effective with strikes. So I put myself in a position where I'm safe from taking damage, but I can inflict damage on someone I'm cross eyed. You have you're going to have a very difficult time hurting me with any type of head butts or elbows or knees, but I could do that to you, and then I also have submissions. So really kind of breaking that down for the students so that they understand like, okay the this is what I'm trying to achieve, and then you teach them the techniques by which they're going to go about achieving that right? And you just that's awesome. Just to add one thing, you're super humble. And you're talking about you coming in for the last two years but rolling with a bunch of purple belts and Brownsville some black belts. But the other thing you have to remember because some people listening to podcasts, it'll be like. I want to try to Jitsu at Andy's telling me I have to get beat up for ten years. I'm not saying that I'm just saying Mount Top. No No. If you disagree with me disagree with me but. Until the day, even after three months of training that you clinch with some hasn't done Jujitsu and then you can mount them and stay there. Forever I would agree you know so that you don't want to always be like I'm a white belt couldn't do anything to a perfect well of course, couldn't but to some uninitiated civilian, you can play with them after I two months you. Compare. Four months. Yeah and I would tell people don't compare to the purple belt think about how you would treat your be with yourself the day before that's the nattering. Yes, that's a good point. You should never compare yourself to other people in Jiu, Jitsu it should only ever be how would I do against myself six months ago? Yeah. So could the current a be the former me? So I had a couple of guys at my my house in Vegas. Last week that came from Kentucky, to train one of the guys was an attorney. He'd been training for six months. and. He was sharing with me on the mount. He's like Yam. I have this thing with my older brother this guy's forty and he's got an older brother. That's he said, is a beast that used to play football. and. Every time we hang out we start wrestling. That this is the first time. He started learning Jitsu just a few months ago. He was actually able to dominate his older bigger brother and he goes yeah he was like the last time we wrestled I submitted them. So that to me is pretty that I mean, that's you know and this guy you know of course I'm rolling around with him and the guy's a big dude he's probably six foot three to sixty. I'm tossing around but he was like, that's my measuring stick like I I used to have a hard time with my older brother. My older brother would just you know wrestle we wrestle each other and he would just. Dominate me and he was like, yeah now so many my older brother. Elk Season Two thousand eighteen alcohol involved in this by the way with Dudley Campfire, there's a dude from Bozeman he's at least six four to. Thirty to forty how long have you been training at this two three months maybe still in foundations And he's talking shit he's like that. Shit doesn't work and he's like I'm GonNA tackle you. We're seating. He puts his beard out and I was like okay and triangle his fucking face off. Your words. We all fire but I was he came at through the closed guard. He didn't know how to get out of it. He had a big puffy jacket zipper. So I was actually just sewing across his neck for a little bit from my own personal pleasure. But stopped in arm got a leg over and he was just like what in the actual fuck I'm why yeah. We're always comparing our other like professional jujitsu but against guys that are no. It's been tested and tested. That's amazing with China to is when you when you roll your testing it against hundred percent resistance and that you can do it in a in a safe way win against somebody who knows the rules and the skill is well, it's right. There's been only if. W actually shit. We're in Salt Lake a year. Maybe a year after I'd been in added a year. And we were just fucking around and we had done a workout. He's like I've never done across the work I'm like Oh come here. This is a rowing machine. This is a standup rowing machine. These are thrusters. Here's we're gonNA players the toilet totally. Just gassed already been. There was a matt's he's like, Hey, man teach me some gypsum like listen dude I don't actually know anything that I can teach you but we just messed around and it was. I hear people call superpower like it's not that but it's an amazing set of skills in the if you know three percent more than the person or they've never touched, it doesn't make sense the angles in the leverage and how you can just you can. They can come in there. Just bouncing off like a bullet hitting a, you know the angled side of a wall. The ability to play with someone that's twice your size twice your strength an effortlessly and and submit them at will is the pretty pretty amazing skills. Did you break his throat? I did not break his throat. You'd have to be really a lot better than he was actually heard him right because then you could control yourself. Sure. Yeah. Like I said, you'll hear him in his podcast. Okay. Courtesy, of Andy. No, no different story that was courtesy of Jacob Oh. Gentle, Jaakko? Role within one day but I'm GONNA attack them in the fucking parking garage of the lead pipe. It's. faulk. Thank you for taking the time with. We literally accuse a probably will kill. We don't go to. Anybody wants any of my Jujitsu. Find You Hidden Jitsu Siva Website W. Real good job hide your fucking Jujitsu. That's really gonNA help people find it so people can't see it hidden. JUJITSU DOT COM. Dot Com. Information social, media handles FACEBOOK man I gotta get better instagram. I. Okay. What's your name? They'll John. Henry Henry Higgins bj. Okay. Thrown off gentlemen thing to I would say that I've been doing this for a long time and. all I. Always try to see Henry as often as possible to get like the last five percent or last ten percent from feeling it. But I will say if anyone checks hidden Jujitsu, it's not hidden. It's I can get ninety on a bad bad bad day eighty, five percent. Good. Good day ninety, five percent. Of what he's doing from the videos and then you hook up and fill in the blanks, but it's great material a tag on that too just like. The the videos are great but if you get a chance to train with them in person, it's a game changer do I to teach you talk into that it's cylindrical and black she'd be like, I was talking into it. Was I get it. He's A. Inveterate. Hey Travis, seats for. He does I do eat a lot of fun. Franklin bucket fell out of. The camps again once the world actually comes back to some. Normal. I don't actually know the answer to that is the problem it will post. November. It's possible. To talk about the camps a little bit because I watched from a distance and by that I mean facebook when you guys were in Thailand and it was awesome I've already like the money is put aside like coming to the wherever you do I'm common camps are awesome. They're amazing. So what we do is We, pick an exotic destination We have people from all over the world come and train with me for a week and we usually do three or four hours a day. So enough time where people get we go really in depth on different topics of Jitsu but there's also enough time to like hang out and make friends and build relationships and go out and dinners and go have fun. So you know and like I. said, that's one of the most amazing things I feel about Jujitsu is the people that you get to meet I've met so many amazing cool people and so just having being able to have friends all over the world. So that's really what that experiences about is getting to go on vacation getting to do something you're passionate about getting to hang out with amazing people. Do you post those on the hinges youtubecom? It's okay it's. Hidden you I think the link to that is there's a separate link hidden g two camps. The next time I, see you post one or just shoot me a text when you're gonNA. PUT ONE UP. All. Okay promoted for sure because I was extremely jealous. Awesome fuck even just I was like. The scenery and really looking at the pickers Holy Shit, you guys are doing stuff in an awesome low Caja Jason. I'd already agreed that that was going to be. Yep for sure bombed. That no I replaced within. Cool. All right. Gentlemen Right. Well. Andy. Hickson stories. Of course. Well and that's the thing is like very few people have first hand. They just Do Yourself I can.

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Devin Haney America's Next Boxing SensationJamel Herring, Weekend Review

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Devin Haney America's Next Boxing SensationJamel Herring, Weekend Review

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Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to another addition of the box voice radio. I'm your host Nestor Gibbs. And we are back in his Sunday. In Sunday is crow day. Yes. Indeed. We have some crow to serve to all those. They got it wrong. Luckily for me a last stuck with herring and look at what he's done shutout. Djamil harran. We'll be talking more in debt, but we have dissolved, Devon Haney main event card to discuss herring on ESPN his title, shot, Austin trout on PBC on FOX, and then some news and notes, Anthony Joshua Andy Ruiz, we have so much more to talk about. But let me go ahead and introduce my co host Michael grow. So we could get this thing started, you know, the number to call in one, four to five five, six nine fifty to forty one press one, one time, voice, your opinion, right here on the voice of the people hotline production. Receives receipts. Botulism dot com. Stand up. Stuff. Comeback dot com. Yoyo yoyo with people out there in the TB universe. We back with another one Sunday, flagship day. So I hope they were to add a good Sunday northend leading into that Memorial Day tomorrow and healthy had a good more day weekend, too. But today talk a little bit box man Devon the drain on my guy. Talk about a statement you talking about how you make your fucking debut on another network is owned just sitting back right now man county blesses smiling, and smiling and happy and demining deserves everything that's come into them. But we'll break down more in w a little bit. Also, Philip Hargrove ick very, very impressive victory for him. Jose Podrinja moved up to one forty show that he can't carry that power up score. The knockout also to regular often trout battled to a draw some at very, very controversial. I was in. The mindset that, that regular shea one, but what Bertha down more and today, shut out to that board canzone, he retained his WBA tidal would've stoppage also becoming Faisal guy, Lawrence coding back on July six and Manchester arena. So I'm more news knows, but that's just what I wanted to get you guys right now. Big upstate everybody jet, if you listened right now and you hear my voice do favorites mass that button unless, again the show. I just wanna say you ruined my Paula. My shit. I hit everybody. I said, I was going to hit the way I said, I was going to hit it. But you should boo fucked everything up should get it beat fucked up. Man. I never even heard of that, dude. Man, should I be saying about that shit? You gotta like. Be like yo. This is just a hunch. I did. You, you sold us on it like yo bird is dude, I'm gonna tell you though, Joan fucked up and out by everybody very going twelve. You got a first round, knockout over krizner, Ed. So big observed theory, my fault guys, I was going out with my Billy Joe Saunders. A connection last week thought those guys by similar, but same theory been taking these guys down that a couple of points as cool and pull their. What, what round handy knocked them out in? Under seven and a half. So if I bet on the seven and a half fell. I know don't get me wrong at our people a love Djamil and the great guy, Greg Stohr. Haney. Okay. Haney years. I bet on the seven and a half if the under seven and a half and he got in a seven win right now over seven and a half me me one thirty. Right. And then in round that's seven Halford as you green green over. I agree. Bruce bet man, I didn't even think of doing Haney by knockout. Are, you know our board? Boy, put I I'm a senior screen green shouted, the part of the math, and you just want to see my own shit anymore. Burqas it was lit up like a Christmas. Tree me and mine, too. I said, how you still when you when you had that Danny everybody went to some told me might don't put ITO on a put here, put hearing. But hey. When you the one was telling me. Because I was a hedge in my bed. Wh what are they can? I react put hearing like three or four different. Member said that on the bench. All my ahead. We eat. All I'm afraid to hedge because year, I'm just save that money. And look I was right. Eat don't even get the fuck and win the one. I bet on got the women is just your boys should Buki fuck. If I wanna put here in business, I would have walked away with, with thirteen hundred nine off one dollar ticket. I'm just tight man. Yeah. Me too. But go ahead and getting bit by talking that been giving the hanging hanging gotta mighty. He looked good. He looked excellent. You think Br the counter shot the way was missing. I'm just shot that he's getting this much praise like offered his do. I paint people see that he gave a drought to fight, and then veges correlate that with a dry, giving pretty much boxing my up. No. See, I think people are just gauging what he's doing at twenty years old. It's just weird. If you Google has named like, the, the headlines of societas with this win. You would think he beat Marcos Maidana some zone. What you think they going to do what they star bre they gonna make sure he out there everywhere. They got marketing behind him. So why not use the got I'm telling you man Deva any Cam beat the next American superstar. No saying you had the smell already had the call to appeal with. Headline is American sensation. I'm like, really the question marketing though. The more they're leaving it up for us to decide. But I'm just like I don't even know the dude's name Haney for and I'm not even being funny. Like, I don't know. Moran some Moran. I don't know his name drug as as I never even heard of him. I ain't even know for Rasa in obvious tuna. How did but I do did. Haney outshine Rossa. At least I mean, I wanna hope with all these headlines. Pope addresses, damn mean I mean the get it. Like a young pretty boy Floyd. You know, was, you know, h money you already posted that in, in the community page as money called me at together them. If I'm out when I'm having been right now. Oh, wow. A drought went to a unanimous decision with have. But what's coming over loss layoff, what was coming up win over Jose Louise Rodriguez? And before they devante, so he had a fighting between that fight, then vote him. Pre top rank for sure. Now I may be on top bring the BELTRAN. Moran may may have been his first fight on brain 'cause I'm looking at the schedule is six nine from Iran than eight twenty five for BELTRAN, some Moran may may just been I, I on. And you're may stay he got you d-. What him are you are you d-, what Bill drawn lost, and then beat a Antonio the last night by KO, but back them Hainault, man. I think that being said, yeah, it's definitely something to, to write about dresser two-time champion went to distance women. You were making that guy. He wasn't the postal being rain which you were dodging his shots. And then I just love the short right counter. Man. I like the, the what, what did you call the, the pool camera to with the right hand? And I just can't say never about how they're hanging out like my opinion definitely definitely made a statement. And that's how you make your debut on another network heavenly am visiting you. I mean. Like I said, man, he looked good for the opponent. I'm just like taking back by the headlines. But you know one of our patriots. Reply to this whole Mayweather. Comparison with Devon Haney and. He made some pretty valid points. They need to be fact checked. But our very own cana- brought up. Pretty boy, Floyd's resume and at age in how many fights he had when he got the title shot. Versus obviously the route that. You know. Hanes going where he's got multiple. Regional titles. You know, WBO internationals and things like that. But yeah I mean comparing them to Floyd. It's difficult. I don't see why people are doing it because it's going to take away from what he is accomplishing. By setting the bar so high in my opinion, but I wanna read Canon's post just to kind of bring you up to speed. He says Floyd Mayweather junior debuted October eleventh, nineteen ninety six and captured his first WBZ world title. I just want to add that he was also ninety six Olympia and silver medallists lecture course Stevens. So. He debuted in nineteen Ninety-six and then. His first w we see world championship October third of nineteen ninety eight from his debut till title, that's year. In eleven months, Devin Haney has yet to capture a world title. He's taking a watered-down Mayweather route collecting, the US BA lightweight belt, vacant International Boxing Federation, North American lightweight title, vacant World, Boxing Organization intercontinental lightweight title, vacant world. Boxing international lightweight title, Haney isn't the new anything Haney. And I'm waiting. Firstly. Anything? He's Haney, and I'm waiting for him to step up. I, I can't you can't really compare by resume wise. And like what they're comfortable and were because I don't think that people are comparing, I think people are comparing the persona the skill level, and what they see happening in the rain with a guy. So young even what came out lympics again. A remember Haney does not have a Olympic bag, even though he has a lot of, of Injia, m-, experience, top-flight, a, a channel champions, challengers and will wherever else. I think that people get a misconception when when when is peeing or does own or even Haney for that matter, same. I'm the new Mayweather. I think they're talking about the persona the way, how fast years the way he can talk any have that, that remember when Floyd I came out. I think what had that, like kind of. Marketable Yonne San kind of pretty boy, kind of vibe going with yourself. And I think that's nothing different than what, what any ads now when it comes to pedigree cannot tell you totally agree with you. It's kind of hard to put their Haney on lever right now but it comes when it comes to just persona social media following crossover appeal. I definitely think they've been Haney has what it takes to be that, that, that, that younger generations Mayweather. And I think we got saying Mayweather started giving these guys credit for what what they're doing. I think we associated with fighters of the past because of the similarities, the look the styles the way that they fight all that comes into play. But let's talk about the fact that he won. And the plan from his promoter, Eddie Hearn is to pit him in eliminator versus someone I never heard of to be the mandatory to the winner of Luke Campbell versus Basile chanko. Whenever it does happen because that isn't official and isn't signed. But I'll say this. Even though they're swerving who's. Match matchroom. Well, you can just go straight to the winner. I paint the WBZ mandated because I believe when you fight for they can title like like Puerto you got. Seventy percent off the entire stores. Let's take fifty percent off clearing DACA. Dresses, the of starting in nineteen ninety nine thank you near store. Shop online only factory right now at banana Republic factory save big with fifty to seventy percent off the entire store. Let's take fifty percent off clearing dot dresses starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online only factory a mandatory right after Oguz. No, I hear you. My thing is. You're listening to me. Okay. My thing is debit. Hainian Matchroom are going to go and petition to have a dude. You never heard of b in and eliminated with Devon Haney for the mandatory position for the winner of Luke Campbell versus Basile, Loma chanko follow me, so far. Yes. So what I'm saying is there swerving in a way, but. See I was going, I was going to teach Mike some, but I'm gonna have to walk 'em like Greer. No. You're the ones shook your. You're the ones shook your head. So you obviously, how is this belief, which means I'm looking at you are okay mission? They could see me to they can't, but I could and you shook your head and this belief. So what is it that you don't believe I'm saying correctly because I didn't even finish too, because you never heard of a guy he doesn't deserve what his ranking says he deserved. I don't think they are gonna petition to the WBZ's mandate said anything about that person. Not deserving anything I. I'm, I'm just interpreting how you making sound. Never heard how how, how would the people the people that listen take that never heard? They would take it in its entirety the way you should if you digest everything I'm going to say, maybe you can make a better analysis of it. So what I was going to say is in a way into the naked eye. It looks like they're swerving. Hence while Michael gross jumped up to defend Haney. But if you allowed me to finish, I would say it was strategic on the part of Eddie Hearn, many like to call them, one of the best promoters. And here he is demonstrating that, why Nestor why is he showing that he's the best promoter, or at least one of them because public because public he could easily negotiate a fight with a seal Oma Cheng-kuo versus Devin Haney and have Haney get the downside of the pot and have Haney beat a b side but ESPN wanted. Want to do it because Haney is semi popular, but he could also be promoted to his fighter. He could petition to have this fight with this unknown person being eliminated to be the mandatory to then have a purse bid so that low Marchenko can possibly be forced to fight on dissolving forcing subscribers to design to see Haney face Luma Janko for all the titles. And if that doesn't work Haney gets a career high payday, because top rank wins the purse bid, but my co-host likes to jump the gun and I love to spank him. Another factor that you get it thinking that Campbell. Here's Eddie hundred five or so he's really doing with Beth for both side it right now. You can get in Luke Campbell a title shot. No sandwich. Lou campbell. I don't know. I can really say that. He deserves it in that, but he's been every since he loves to Jose, Jose withdraw the but a whole or hey. The narrative and get really gay or a difficult fight after he got knocked down and got back up. So I think you doing with best for Luke Campbell by giving the shack. And also, I think he's doing what was best for the Haney by giving them a couple more fights until until he fights chink of now. I'm not. So I mean, I don't want to say, I'm not sure, but because I want to say what any guys but I don't know if if I were necessarily rush heading right? Into. Me either and neither is Eddie white. Think he's going down the eliminator out. You know what I mean? Even even one more five. I see any have at least two or three more. Positioning. You know, you know, Jillian whites and the number one position. And he's not the mandatory dealing white, or rather, should I say, Dominic Brazil had in eliminator three years ago to be the mandatory for while there, which took place today. So, you know, Hanes just positioning himself. And so is this promoter, Eddie Hearn? We need. From Haney is what I think. No. We need more showcase fights, from Haney is what I think. Zone to keep feeling on a nice little of scheduling or give them get them on their platforms. Really, really like capitalize off that sensational knockout that he had. You really didn't get a whole lot of damage, really wasn't that much put on a nice box display. And I just think that. The no kinda slow down a little bit for them. Away. If you ready man, I can't tell you that you're not ready. But it's going to be a tough fight for, for, for, for both audit, I only because I think the heading can really calls, but she goes and problem by being the naturally bigger guy. Yeah. I mean, listen, there are people in our chat, that are saying, Deborah Haney takes Majengo right now that he's two poised, you know, the combination punching. So it's something that we're going to have to see but. Where do you want? And the actual question who gives any hokey Islamic? Oh, I two famous. Though, obviously female, obviously absolutely in my opinion. I mean he's a top ranked fighter it's going to be easy to make with him. And it's not like top-ranked doesn't see the skill and Haney. They tried to sign him. Everyone knows Haney skill. So maybe he'll go in as an underdog whenever the time comes doesn't mean that he's has no shots. So that being said, if you're a promotion, you want to protect your investment, and the best way to do that is in house. So if FEMA beats Vescio you still have those titles. Maybe he deserves an top ranks is that shot more just as a business plan. But I'm at the lightweight hundred and thirty five pound rankings being the champion in two of the major sanctioning bodies. WBO WB, Richard Komi, IB, Mikey. Garcia, vacated the WBC and Luke Campbell will be. Standing in place of that probably facing Basile chanko. So this is I believe the name of the guy, Zahle Abdulah, I believe is who. Matchroom want Haney to go in versus now. He's number four and the BC six in the WB. Oh, nine in IB f and four in the. W. B A. So now to all the boxes in the WBZ. A rank has they're all enrolled in McLean Buchan program. So big of those guys WBZ rankings? He's number nine. And the IB F. And I think that's the route like to see him take, I would put him in there versus Jorge Cham, brussel junior. He's got that pack Yao sparring partner cachet for the last five years now. Let little Haney go in there and dismantle the Australian and get that mandatory spot everage Komai since the number one and number two positions are vacant as of may thirteen. He could also go in my opinion, the WB row being as though he's number four, he could maybe maybe somehow. Match room and any Hearn can do some business with Al and get them that Robert Easter fight their storyline. He and Robert Easter have plenty of back and forth, social media posts and videos going at each other Haney when he was young young. Young already felt he could beat Robert eastern felt Robbie's. There wasn't a champion worthy of carrying the title eastern Bartholomee just drew, maybe Haney can get that. Why? Because for Al Easter hasn't really been coming up the way expected, so maybe it's okay to ship them off to another network. John Molina and the pass and Felix D is in the past. Those are my recommendations for next for Haney. What about you? Give desire do live and see how long it takes for him to get that mandatory position. I just thought about what you said the sometimes touring that call for the. Wow. So get a couple more fights in between it and just a bit on your graph knows no need to face these other guys in these other division. If you really upset for going for that WBZ title, what sort of rankings Busse popularity Busse mart. Get a market value what he get if Eddie could sit down with the boy and get him that whole Halen Norris fight. Is he ready for the NAR as nex- with no title on the line? Should he take that risk just to build that stardom by having a popular name likely nora's on his resume, in my opinion, I think he takes them. Lanar says always been Chinni speed isn't. Something that he can deal with. Well, yes he has. But he doesn't deal with the speed. Well, I think canot beat Lenora 's by you know upset, but he you know, he beat them. It was an upset, but he beat them. So can Haney do it. He should if he's the next American sation own thing is about convincing golden boy, more about convincing the narrows, and the NAR is. Norris for Corolla the narrow at one forty so you gotta tell them to come back down to two one thirty. I don't I don't know if the NAR is it will be five. Fiber opposite forms. And but I'm pretty sure he could bring some of those guys over from the UK Lewis Brinson, or whatever five thirty five and they can beat him up quick and just keeping busy before that, that, that mandatory is called for a bit. Well, the young aim is. The world on box wreck. So let's just see where he is at shout out to Andre ward. You know, I remember early on in my career people complained and criticize me for using box but shot out to ward who does the same. Yes. A real a big of the Renoir, Danny. I was in contact with him this weekend. And hopefully we can get them hanging. His dad on one day this week and all gover- that. Yeah, so we got here, let me get back the park grow Vic, I. Rolling way too fast. We're looking at the box rankings. Devon Haney is the was yet. Thirteen. Oh, there it is man. Gamboa's get that game. Boa fi for her Eddie there. It is my desk. Cachet. He's in Olympia n-. He fought Crawford. I mean, you got the cash eight with the suppose almost fight with Brandon Rios top-ranked signed this history there. That's a good fight. Now you he's me to Hamish should be able to slay them year round sailing. I don't know how much of a deterrent GameBoy any be honest with you. I mean it's not about deterrence. He's about cachet building. It's about ready. The name sport. But out of sight. I mine, I, I mean sounds good. Yeah. Get them. Giving their coup so you don't want them to build his resume. Thing having been hanging. I got a smart team. I'm not I'm not like fluent in one thirty five division, sown. But I should name him. I like the Robert Easter idea more than Game Boy to be honest with you. I like a member to gamble brings the Latinos. You talking about this guy been the next floor follow the blueprint black versus Latino works in boxing. Look yesterday only be a good window. Check it out. You're right. But now you're saying boys in. He's good. And his name is still valuable I knew I should on them, but his name is still valid believe me, but look at yesterday on ESPN when they had the classified, they made sure to tell you was Puerto Rican on the info on the graphic, you are an M X for the other because that's built in rivalry. They're trying to capitalize on that, but I get commission nano say something else about. I mean robbery building, because two grand Garcia, no saying, good marketing good, good. As a kid, nowadays out, chasing, you put a picture up of you Anne on your g and they got like the same division though. Anyone twenty six not right one thirty five. Okay. Okay. MTO fem-. Oh hanging. This the fight. I mean good performance last night. But this the fight everybody want, and it's the pitching, actually, let me pull it up, forget that we have all these capabilities now but, you know, he basically says this is the fight that everybody wants me endeavor, Haney shows a face off that he had obviously, and his photos with him, and Haney, and someone's belt in the back. Oh, shut out to our team reposted it just go to screen share this. So our team oppose it in our Instagram as you can see. And this is the post between Haney and Ryan Garcia, my thing is I call it cloud. Jason because we both know that the fight is too big to happen next. So to say this now you just crowd chasing off of his performance and be semi building the fight. I get it, but it still is match room and golden boy, putting their to future stars in together, which I'm sure is not gonna be as easy. Right now at the Republic factories, save big fifty to seventy percent off the entire stores. Let's take an fifty percent clearing dot dresses. Apollo polo starting in nineteen ninety nine thank near store. Line only factory right now at banana Republic factory. Save big fifty to seventy percent off the entire store. Let's fifty percent off clearance. Daca, dresses the polo starting in nineteen ninety nine. Thank you near store. Shop online only factory as Mr. Garcia seems to make it on his social media post. No, no absolutely night. He's doing what is supposed to do. No saying getting getting into the people's mind early. So once again, star winning in both guys start going down there own trip trajectory in their own path. Then we'll start clamoring for the casual a public start. Clements, they've been followers guys e of all star, but they can potentially make as super fight. Honestly, why they're still relatively the young guys are twenty twenty one. So by the time they hit twenty four hundred five maybe season veteran again hour has twenty two vice. I believe Ryan has fifteen or sixteen. So, by the time they get twenty four twenty five have almost thirty or if not more. Honestly Ryan needs to do more. I'm going to double call it cloud Chason because Devon has seen to proven that. He's more of the season fighter like Garcia's tutelage under any Renault soda, and let let, let Garcia, give himself time Renault. So because right now, Hanes ready. I'm just saying, I don't know if he's ready for the top, but for Ryan, he's ready they're on the same level except Hanes on the next one. Right. But I know you told it in the fighters meeting that you don't wanna be on the fast track. But it's hard to keep you off the fashion. Go be like this. I'm just going to beat whoever they put in front of me. Well, it's funny would say that because the man is in charge of doing that. Eddie hearn. What did you think performance tonight? Unbelievable. I mean, we're all come from England. If we had to start this the country begun mad. So you guys needs to get behind. Hi, it's funny. Eddie says and I seen that in a chat like Eddie is a puppet master. Yes, we need these UK fans to come to America. I mean whatever he says they just repeat your impacts, but he Ondo kinda true about getting behind them. Now, if the manual you, you find in the exact same person. Oh my God. And they'll be you'll be a star star. Yeah. Because over there how should I put this? They don't necessarily. Mine waiting for the tests, or they value boxing, more than, than we do over here in the states, that's cheap or easy way out for us. I think that they, we just like for our fighters to be proven. I think just like we always say it's not more options over here in American boxing, not like that, that, that name mainstream sport. But over England kinda years, especially with the emergence of Anthony Joshua, the things that he's doing over there. So, I think if there any was a fighter definitely be a in my opinion, probably be a bigger anybody Jarrett, her would have been big according. Wow, everybody's going over there and being able to be super successful. And it's because how much they love box. But that doesn't take away from the fact that they don't mind their fight is not being tested, man, like they. Book is the alternate like example. I mean my man was like thirty something before he fought porter man. It was like crazy, any trilogy on and on. Thirty on allows. He bought to do and under laws. Dues that we questioned, and that's why when he got that win he became that do because it was like they counted them out. You know, people thought he wasn't the goods. And then he rose to the occasion on that night for some for some because, you know, with all those holes I couldn't enjoy that performance. After I feel it. Well, yeah. Haney man at the end the day man, just keep doing what you're doing. But you, you really opened a lockable is over weekend in that they're not out there. They go go to a lot of places on the internet on Santana went barrel. Not like. Dissolved, fighter, you need that you need for your knockout to be sensational. So their social need not KO is knowing fan, Jack. We need your knock out to be sensational, so that we can share it on social media, so that the platform itself, also, because, you know, they, they released restrictions on that video so that it can go viral because remember they, if they keep the copyright infringement on it, no one's going to be able to share it, and it won't get any legs. But speaking legs, the very Philip Hargrove. I was it is hard hard grow. He looked good, bro. He looked good. I'm happy that I. Him in person and live, you know looking for a little bit longer. Yeah. But I mean it's Greg Corbitt man. And he just keeps proven that bra. He doesn't belong, man, bro. Like every other beach this do like any crazy Cohen. I'm what y'all and it's crazy. Because when Corbin came out I said, oh, shit his lateral movement. He was causing flipped to miss the jab. And I see them doing the left and the right and he's and he's all in and common. I'm like, okay, the composers there. And then, you know, he's just he just doesn't he? He's too lax days, ical. He thinks he's so good that he could just chill with his hands down and fight his pace. And it's like whatever bra. My man just hit him with a right hand from the top two because he sold toy just that shift from the top bang and write it wasn't even behind. It was like right in front of the is in my opinion. All I know is from all the angles or the replay, there is no denying that, that was a clean knockout by Philip. But it's like you said not enough to see was only a minute of that fight, but he's moving. He did have that WBZ international heavyweight title yesterday. So. Yeah, I look the successors of that title. All went on to fight for the BC or. Get the BC, right? So. Oliver McCall remains Vern Jonathan banks. Yeah, he four four. Mitchell. Okay. And then areola Tony Thompson. Alexander Pevec in Joshua held from two thousand fourteen for one. Title of WBZ. Because listen, he held it in full. Fourteen to fifteen and then he got that IBM shot. So he dropped the WBZ rankings, but then dealing, white fought four versus David Allen. And now you see, we're dealing white isn't a BC rank is number one contender, and interim or silver champion coups man for four versus amendments, or who beat for it or excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. Who we be for it? And then or I guess a mere Hattie. But because it was a no contest. He got to keep it, but flip beat Amir Mansour for it and defend the versus Corbin. The thing is that I don't get why that hasn't moved them higher in the WBZ rankings. Right. Like how do you got an intercontinental championship title? And like I don't see him in these rank is I'll check the WBZ websites. I don't think it'd be updated Monday Tuesday. So you probably have to wait. I think that time we sent him with. Yesterday and be honest with you. Says on our side that it hasn't been updated since the thirteenth, but I don't know if WBZ has anything updated over there, but they do once a month Tyson mono. What? Excuse me. Philip Philip what's nice are grow big. What's next for him? Is. Should we look man? He ain't gonna have to fight one the when the free and fringe contender somebody who's going to be willing to hit back with them. There's, let's think about who metro has on that stable, and they try to make them American Tilden's Adam, but they save talking for. Zora order. Dutra Zora just be what was that, do we was to now they can give him the gather that just moved up guys and gas. They're not gonna do somebody that high profile. Like. Due resort, just be. That he was a known opponents who another you can't. He came negatives origins be. Why not? Philip on kid at boy, man, I'm not the guy origins be Brady to stop stopped him. Just wasn't up. We say all time, which is or. Gimmie three or four of them four in. In a like. Zoar wasn't. He didn't look like his oral. I've seen in daily wifi fight body. You is and activity wise. So I don't know how good that guy really year that he just wasn't. They began to Sonora Gashi. Yes, he loves his or any lots of tacking by got. Right. I don't know. But I mean I know that you always talked about him. So that's why I said, like, you know a brought him up because. Well, we talked about gosh. You know. The guy that, that, that is always loss to educa- Bill Johnson sparring partner, but you are the one that told me about gosh, she even. Defending them, don't take this. You knew of him you to never heard of that. Do you the only reason I got not by Carlos tacking on the on the dealing wi- and believe it was who didn't filers, so on the WBZ rankings. He's ranked number seventeen and he is holding on their site, the intercontinental title. He's ranked right under Andy Ruis funny, that he's ranked also under Sergei coups mine, who. Attended to fight for that internet continental title didn't get it. So weird. Weird on the BC rankings. It looks like Oscar Rivas is fourteen as well and Brian Jennings. Who he lost to still there? When was this last dated, Dan? That's good. Brian, generally light it to last. Where was this? Lhasa dated though aren't the Brian. On only you, you, you gotta bring somebody in for a for a Grover that's gonna be willing to punch back at them and not go down to sign of adversity. I don't know fifteen on box works world so above him. He got somebody got Chris. Christian hammer. He's. He's, he's, he's not a threat threat, but he's a common name. He just went twelve with Ortiz, exactly. So that gives. He needs great with that. Wow. I don't know. Any do what about Pevec again? You think it wo-, and that's a Eddie? You know, another Eddie owns Pevec in. But at least has dealt with them, and they say a, a. Joseph Parker rushing. Park. Zona now work too. Philip don't have the ranking. Oh, you mean for Parco? That's why he got. A year. You gotta pick them out money. But let me tell you something, you're not gonna rush Philip Russian Philip. You only Russian them to AJ. So I'm telling you, they going. Thoroughly? Would you mean year, they could take them while the route? But again, once he beats wild if that's the game plan, where's he going? AJ. AJ exactly. So like all roads, lead to AJ all wilder, whichever one you can get I rose in the namely. No matter what the fuck you doing division. If you wanna to won't be djembe. You got one of those. But I'm gonna go down. I'm gonna go to robber Eleni the me, let me, let me Lethem requiem. Go gave him like great Brian Jenny, but he's fine. He's top brain. We'll give it to me. Eric molina. Who, who? Onto mass to song for who for Honda. You think if any came to. Hear me out. You think of any came to hunters eight, no, what you beat this Philipon grow. But think about this from Matchroom perspective. Why do you put both your prospects in each other while you got him? They're definitely not. Hence each dislike AD back didn't white and AJ. Let somebody got star. Let's not forget where Eddie recommended on telecast. Okay. Joyce, who's not even in his promotional stable. So, you know, he's just clout chasing and prolonging. If he wanted a serious name, he'll mention a serious possibility, but by mentioning Joel Joyce, who deals referring warrant and ring star and possibly even still hamming get the hell out here. He's just called chasing argue. He's gonna get like, and he should get like. Andrei Fetisov was in right now at the nanna Republic factories, save big seventy percent off the stores. Fifty percent off clearance DACA, addresses starting in nineteen ninety nine thank you near store or shop. Online only factory right now at banana Republic factories. Save big with fifty to seventy percent off the stores. Let's take fifty percent off clearance DACA addresses the poll of starting in nineteen ninety nine thank you near store or shop. Online only factory book seen all tournament. David prices. No maurice. We spoke about the other day. He's vulnerable right now. Gerald Washington needs a possibility. I don't know. Could they get all the way hit bagman give me somebody where you're looking at it? If you want to look at it from boxing, then, say that but again if we're looking at it for match day. Where'd about hitting back. They worried about building the man's profile they need them names to build his upper Mane's to Verne, for instance, Joel Joyce, just did it do it behind Joyce, build a profile. How many? Look at it brother Borge nine fight you this what I'm saying? With those many names on his book, and he trying to go slow. What as break I like to names on his resume. We out Greg Corbin Kevin Johnson. Little cuddle Greg. Greg Cormon coming opponent with a former a champion Noman Bill. A child Martin got guy disqualified by Martin, and in growing make corporate lady even belong in the ringwood. Tom little folk somebody over England I brought him up a memory sore fog fucking Brazil followed. A Gerald Washington has fought a Hargrove ick has found at the job. And I think she maybe had the best performance, I was out of all those guys and then you go to a jury. Which they said somebody else. All right. So who are you recommending him? I'm just in back that I'm not. I got fucking division. Let me see who who's who. Right there. I'm at the I'm showing the top twenty five. I say he's from the main spill damn more than that champ. Anthony Joshua is number one. And number twenty five is Carlos talk him. It's not many names, their Krista, hammer name like the name like you said earlier. Gotta go. Foreword is too soon for him. He's gotta go back or just gotta pick names. Look, look, any pick Joel. Zoar Eddie pig. Joel Joyce who's ranked behind him bro substantially behind him. He. Fury. This guy's not listening. But it's all good here. We fury cool. Marco hook. People saying the winner of Dubai Gorman. But that won't happen. That's Frank Warman emotion. Cross promotion is tough man. But what else we got on the undercard? Michael hundred man coming off impressive. I don't know man. Like he looked good. He looked good. But. At the same time, almost Volna pool. Right. No, I don't know. Maybe. I don't know those the opponent, but it looked little sloppy. And I'll tell you this Maldonado doesn't deserve a comeback. He looked like he didn't train, and he like he didn't want to turn his back a couple of times he turned his back. So don't don't don't bring that guy back and he didn't even get slept. You know what I'm saying? He got stopped by the ref got down on the neatness praying labor. Pleased. You know that, that he needed to get slept for putting on such a shitty performance through Kunsman that's to some four. How did this? I think he could do coups. Mom. Shit out of coups. Mar straight up coups is fucking. There's no cachet and Kouzmin. No one knows cools Mon. You say you wanna move slow, but I am moving them slow by giving them a name that brings cachet champ. You're not listening. Tele Haney the fight. Euro. Kaz gamboa's? But is as you told him on these undercard the big fights the cash, they don't fuck it matters. If if he go out there on the AJ on the car or on a canal just saying, maybe metro and go to book and works out on. Why do you think you you? And everyone else that calls in his says Cannella has the best resume in boxing. No. Because they built his resume doll. They put names like Shane Mosely at the right time. That's what you gotta do with. Oh. It don't matter. When we go back and say he was right. Zoll it ain't that we won't say that is when we go back and we compare canot to, hey, me or canot to Philip Hargrove ick. His resume will be greater and thicker and better because they built it. They built like AJ's AJ after Charles Martin is been nothing but names that on. But sometimes you can do it, another way like. Russian the no one ever heard of in the. Cures. Want to come out disrespect when at all, but, I mean might maze knockouts of a lot of things we miss her denote, and they were memorable. -sposed knockouts. John beat a nigga up not to do up fight, and he didn't turn down. No fake. We anybody. But a lot of those names, but didn't really say, no. But the and, and, and some of the things he did it in, in the rain against oh, gosh. On people that these guys are not on my level. It shouldn't be in the rain with me there you liked it. Kinda should know. Why did they Brazil first round, knockout? Mike Tyson ally. No saying a beckons heyday briefer, knockout. That's what fan for member. And that's what. Gallon fans the casual fan and not gonna look at resume and say I know him him him. But I know the guy that I'm looking at though, I'm no what he did in a moment. No a member of fighter that he, but I know memorable moment, and that's all I'm saying. Hey, man. I hear you. I just know from what I see, especially from a guy like Eddie. He building, you know resumes. He's not putting you in to kill yourself but. On quick because Jessica mccaskill, she wanted and she unified title against Sanchez, I get a first name, but I the scores will way to work. I thought there was a more competitive site, and I thought that mccaskill one but I didn't think she went by Atlanta. Years, she's using she's coming right forward and getting hit. But. She's just brawling. She's winning her fights on, on sheer will and determination. She was too. She's, she's taking shots to land shots. I don't even understand that. You know you, you know when you become a champion, they say you get eighty percent better because you're more confident now, but you're supposed to improve to and I don't know. I can't say that I didn't see her improve because I'll be honest. I don't even remember seeing her last fight hard to compare it. But the way. Chicago. The the Renzo truck Simpson. Are you saying what did you wanna bring up? I'm sorry. You just keep coming on. I'm sorry, sir the way that she was squaring up is just crazy. Like every time she got the girl on the roads. Both her shoulders was straight. And she just throw punches. She was just by the sheer heart and determination. It was it was it was crazy, man. Should definitely needs at least a second look in that corner. Somebody got like corrector on some of the mistakes, man. It's crazy. Someone says she had less than ten fights. In the chat. Well, it's. Showing slightly man because. She was squared a lot. I'm good. I'm good. I I the Renzo truck Simpson on thing came had a impressive performance stoppage. Stoppage over don't even know the guy's name, but they're coming that he was landed. He landed like a believe seven eight bucks in a row in the real founding called out and the guy got knocked them into the ropes again fall, but the rope skipping mother so because to the Renzo and you're you're listening. Kaunda pedestrian put performance. I wasn't. I wanna sound ruled or or this, but ever since his debut, Eddie city, scientist, great guy at Olympics. Every every fight, I'm expecting to see something to see something. What, what, what is it buddies knows? And talking about I haven't seen it yet I haven't last night with no different haven't haven't seen what people are ripping raving about. Maybe maybe he basic man he wanted to be on the inside and he's taking shots to get. He's not jabbing get day just wanna be head to head or shoulder to shoulder is basic man. Yeah. Hope the maybe a different trainer can change their nose, or maybe a different mindset. I don't know man, just but I just hope that the young man finds out found out and just not get back to winning ways. But just to get on that, that, that, that, that hype train that people had you own coming out of the Olympics. Moving onto the next car to ESPN, top, brain card. Jamila Harring beats ITO for the WB title, eat O'Mara in my opinion, he was out looking for that one shot and on saying that, that, that big writing he landed a couple of times, but the male hearing was using his, his arranging or ship turning the corner on making. It'll turn with them eight. Okay. And cut off the rain. Jamaica was going to the body saying landing that, that fan up top. It wasn't points in the fight the that you don't have some success, but they were far and in between eat all one for around I would say that's about it, but your bigger Djamil Aaron a great great, great performance, and big up the Bill Maktoum now you got another war champion crazy. How after watching the telecast. We didn't know like he was the a side. It was insane. I thought ITO was the a side. You know, eat those coming off the DA's win top rank fight. You know, herring is the guy that got dropped resigned, and I don't mean drop like physically. I mean, drop from the promotional company or management company with PBC and now Heyman, and then got re-signed, and it's, it's like, wow. Okay. And then you go into the fight in the telecasts in the promotion about the marine and D, P, T S and just all haring story like shit. I didn't even know like I didn't know he lost his daughter. Youtube channel. I didn't know that shit. So it's like bro. They knew what the betting odds didn't even know. We all made money on Herron whoever put them in the Paul late and we picked them, but he like, just crazy, man. Was there. And we didn't pick up on it. Like if I would've noticed this investment top rank made I would've known that or not known, but I would have been more secure and him getting that win like picked them to get. He got it, but bro, when I'm watching, and I'm seeing all the all this, like they spend a lot of on him case me, a lot of money on infomercials and twenty four seven like stuff, and but was there and everything was about him even even Andre ward started the telecast off, like I'm picking the upset. I'm picking Harran and it's like, okay, okay. And even. Even some of the Bradley himself, you know, had a weird analogy about God's Zilin, how Harring was handling the gods Zillow on his back, a lot better than eat, though, was, but yeah, the promotion that was a bad Asian comparison. He was trying to do. Yeah. The promotion was definitely behind herring. And I had no clue I you know, I thought because he was the favorite because he was he beat Diaz. Who was the favorite because he had a what is it? Pedro de page. Thing is Rudy Perez in his corner as a trainer. To see the top rank investment in a modern, and he was the perceived puncher. Right. But yeah, we should've listened to Jamila Heron a when we had a long. Adamant we see some eight oh. We got some with their. Haring when he him to. Joe? We got a plan. They told me the plan and my title shot is gonna be eat though, in his like they knew they knew, and he told us on that show that they, you know, he was happy. He was like no one really built on the fact that I'm a marine day are, but I want to bring in our Orlando correspondent, who was on hand. Got the interviews with Bobak and red spikes, Terrence. Crawford's trainers. He's got interviews with Bob Arum. Just a lot on a YouTube channel. Definitely head on over to YouTube dot com forward slash to box voice and checkout, all videos from Jay for Mouland. But Jay talk to me, how was the fight or how was the night. Oh man. It was real good. Man. It was real good. I'm actually surprised at what you said, because they started the promotion for this real early. But that Mark Krugel thing I got an alert for my ESPN at the special about him losing his daughter. Got that Tuesday in, I knew once it right away was put the date together. Big with seventy percent on your stores. Let's fifty percent off clearing stock up on dresses. The poem of starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online only factory right now at banana Republic factories. Save big with seventy percent on the entire stores. Let's fifty percent. Clearing stock up on dresses. The poem of starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store shop online only factory in how band with him systems on Memorial Day is like, oh, Betty, they want him to win like he's going like. It was like, you know, regardless regardless, how to fight outcomes if it's a close like is going to go to go because they have so much in invest in him then him being a marine. It's, it's very, very marketable and it's actually a good thing. PVC try to do it a little bit. I don't know if you remember the fight when he was the guy's name starts with s gonna fight Robert Easter. Sacri. Call today July for PPC did it, and it was actually SPN card. He headline that as well, and they get it, then, but that was our only time like really attempting to tap into that brand tap into that market. Bob Arum has down all the marines were there. It was it was a very good night. IBM knows when he's doing when it comes to marketing when it comes to promotion the car with stat with a lot of local Puerto Rican fighters. There are a few upsets so it was a good night. Real good night for being be might you should be happy. So. The real good night. Got some real some interviews. Andre ward, solidified you when it comes to check year box and finding out a common opponent. I knew that she would like that when he said that he said it, I first thing that I thought was again, necessary on next is going to go into that. But it was a good bye week man. I'm looking forward to it as my first time ever attending a top ranked car. So it was a little bit different. I never never experienced fight. So it was a little bit different. So it was real good. So how Crawford man but, but, but but it's Mike on the line. He in from you, what am I? Oh, he ain't talking. That's what that's what he's doing. He pulling the buddy ain't talking meeting. He fans. Know what it is. Got a party of outside. Exactly. Damn. That was the thing that made me mad because I had been trying to get interviews with him by the day before and he was talking off camera for while off camera. Wow. But he was nine during the interview this is because, you know, I don't wanna get asked about the PVC questions and he's like very frustrated that fights, not happening. You know the ones blaming him port. So I went over and went to Andre ward might nobody gonna do it. But it sounds like do like. It's a sort of union living being he he and he went over there. And he talked about that, but, but was cool, but it was enormous what you gotta say about, but and I love this about, but consistent to hope fight, we, he's not as one of those guys Saturday in a hail, supporting like no. Right there. Gialle video homeboy fell asleep on a God, damn Arolla shit. Yeah. Today. I thought about it. Do do. Terrance crawford. Don't touch me. It was funny. That do said he was afraid of heights on my how are you afraid to Heinsohn? And you hop on the thing. But he was doing so but I got some good stuff coming. That's I saw them boy, Clarence booth in the building. You talked about his, his new deal with no limit and then him going out. He's gonna be with buddy mcgirt, so new limited. Yeah. Nolan manage saints of Pearl. Whatever I don't know more about actually received that. Nine on Donna. I received that press release may Clarice. I don't know man, you know, he needs a big win like like a like a Mickey bay or something to kind of turn it around from him being there any manure. Man, you know what I mean? He needs like a John Molina type of win nothing, you know, nothing world level. But like get them get them back in that C plus level you none. I mean, sort of like the win. At he had on that heat card, after he came off that loss with. The one forty seven Pounder got out of ain't got extreme by buddy mcgirt when I was in. See you you're looking at lipping. That's he was on BBC again. He was on the Tuesday car, and he stopped the guy he was supposed to be in there to lose, but he end up stopping the guy he's another one. Gado never heard I don't own the name of. News looks Puerto Rican, but I never heard of them. Macaw FOX, too. I don't know. That's the only guy that he fought after losing to. Lipin nets right after for mcardle. Then he for maxim dash dash dash whoever loss, and he lost, you know. You've never heard of Joseph a gal. He told my leg. Joseph. Luckily he used to train with Ericsson lube. Yeah. Used to be he, he was there last night. I talked to him for a little bit. Yeah. He never been able to really take off, you know you suffer some losses. He's, he's been around for a while, though. He's he he was with PBC four bit. But, you know, at BC side. Yeah, that's right. When they used to have all those fighters, like four hundred five three hundred five aside. Five. Well, Jay man anything else from the event, you wanna say atmosphere wise or just, you know, I'll check out the Andre ward interview you guys definitely like it also check out. Timothy Bradley interview, says some interesting stuff when it comes to the key Andre ward, gave his a breakdown of what it takes to be half of how, and who he sees coming out at one forty seven seas at. As far as heavyweight as well. On that telecast, he said he picked, he picked Tyson fury as the best heavyweight. And then when you interviewed ward and on the telecast war was, like, you know, he, he can't pick one he say, can make a case for all of them, and, you know, he was consistent because India interview you went on that subject. I don't know if you even know that he spoke about it on telecast. Nah. I didn't know I didn't have no clue. I just noticed. And I noticed on their conflict tower literally on the power and they have it set up like that. We look at the pound for pound ratings from let the right, the left side is all Loma. In the right side. It's all Crawford, and then it twenty one or the other, but he has Anthony, Josh rated above type. Routing using type in theory on it. So he does have some sort of kind of rating when he gets come to. Waves keep him moving. Man, thanks for calling in, and obviously, thanks for covering that fight. If you wanna let anyone know, your social media, you could do, so if not men don't forget to check out J from Orlando videos on YouTube dot com for which last box voice. His Andre war was amazing, his Timothy Bradley is doing phenomenal. So go support him shit at hit that dumbs up Jay everyone following me at a JR underscore notes here, we got some stuff coming to me, and that's the teaming up if you got a lot of stuff coming out of the Florida area, a lot of stuff that's going to be coming out of sham. So it's more that when it comes from that Timothy Bradley's already over twenty one thousand just in has been a whole day. So didn't the number this is gonna be coming in. Hey, don't you have your own podcast, you want to let them know about? Oh, actually follow. My old podcast is at the cool cats. Won't I g on Spotify one items will also on soundcloud, so on three major platforms, and that's the cool cast. It's spell it out the cool case cops up and talk about everything for sports music, politics, everything on regaining. We get into everything man. And we, we gotta upcoming episode when that's coming on here pretty soon. Jay man. Thanks again. Look for more of j from Orlando, if you haven't already heard him as an alumni caller, you could catch his work on YouTube dot com forward slash the box invoice and his podcasts at the cool cast Mike. I didn't watch. Ky-ko or Adam Lopez. Rasa inhering per drowsy. Watching the handy fighting I try to go back and watch it on ESPN plus there. But. Interrupt you. If you don't mind because I know I mind when you do. Okay. So I was talking about Bradley and his Tyson fury love. Right. So I just wanted to continue to be consistent. Boy. They damn sorry about that perforated. Boy were they being. Sheesh. How could be offensive man? They would like stick riding. I last night broke my man was getting hit with so many left hooks from the orthodox stance, yet and not him being orthodox whatever their name he was fine who? So, so does that it was hit him with left, hooks all night? And they talk him out this show, the row, he's amazing. He's the only God is switch from south poets, orthodox like bud Crawford, or rather, they said, not named but Crawford, and I'm like, no, he is doing. Well, you know, some of them shot shots are being slip. Some of them are bouncing off the shoulders, but he's getting hit okay? And it's a lot. Stopped lying. He got the knockout, he did look good. You know, and it was a good win for him. He was very. Aggressive in the post fight, like, you know, like the big yell like. I mean. He's still getting hit, bro. Like he's still doesn't care to be hit. And that's I don't know the sido he shouldn't be in you like that. And he's talking about moving up the one forty one forty. Let me let me double check this guy beat a Felix day. Oh. Check. Let me check. I thought he. Oh, I thought I had to telecast say this was one thirty five. Thirty five. And that's what I'm saying. I thought they said he was feeling strong, and he was looking, and this particular camp, they put on more muscle, and if they felt good they were going to move up, which made no sense. Because usually you say if you don't feel good you're going to move up. But look for him to move up because the telecast cat insinuating that he's going for another world title, and why not. He's Puerto Rican. You can sell it. If you're Bob Baram, he's gonna go fi-, Jose Ramirez, guess what? Mike Mexico versus Puerto Rico, and all the Puerto Rican fans get behind him because he's going for third world title, only Trinidad and names, like McGill Koto have done it in the past. Got if, if made Jose gotta get paid to the result. And I don't think he will. That's because you think that Hooker Ramirez is done when I when I say, if it gets? No, no, no. And that's what I'm telling you, when, in fact, this might be what you get. Help out the Eddie in Bob can pull it off and on. Up drives. If you're Bob are you sure remembers beat took? So, so, so if you're Bob, what makes better sense to you? Good old-fashioned, historical Mexico versus Puerto Rico. Splitting the par with the rival promoter in the fight. You're not sure your guy is gonna take it home. Just saying chat. I see I see the bigger picture. But I'm his. He continues to earn my, my respect. I mean I don't notice do in his win doesn't mean as much as the win over BELTRAN for bell. But bro, he, he suffered two losses to, to dudes that are really good. And he continues to do decent like defensively he needs a new trainer. I think. His cousin or his dad has been there for too long. I got his number. The problem is only speak Spanish show interviews going to be one sided with me and him. But. I know that maybe his team in fans will, and that's how you need a new trainer train of got him the two world titles. But, but if you watch that fight yesterday, I don't care what anybody say. I know that even water or Bradley were saying like, oh, he's bathing him in. He's like, he's, he's bathing them in. So he could hit him with that shot. He's looking for that shot. They kept saying, I'm like, bro. I don't wanna bait. No, in like that. I don't wanna bait you taking on the way. And I'm good like no hit me. But listen man he got the win. And I told you the plan that I believe will take place. Jose, cardenas. You got. Yada, knock out right here. Oh my God. There's no top brings probably Instagram page right now as their page. I'm pretty sure, but just type typing Jose Cardini on a on a esta Graham go right to bring a boxing, RG page, this guy caught a man with a shot and left them face down. As the best way I can put it literally literally like you know, how people like sleep in that crop position where he's like like like like you're doing yoga or some shit, but you really not saying, that's, that's how you was begins to housing definitely definitely put the name on with, with that big ads KO and going to be looking forward to see you fight again. Man. If you guard like this, I'm definitely going definitely gonna check him out now. It's up to you also. Masih Koki ITO athletes, say you just bought a house. Bad news is you're one step closer to becoming your parents. You'll proudly mold along and skip anybody noticed the lawn. Tell people to stay off the lawn. Compare it to your neighbor's lawn and complain about having to modal on again. Good news is, it's easy to bundle home and auto through progressive, and save on your car insurance, which of course, we'll go right into the lawn. 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I don't think any. Whole lot of hey from anybody I think he is. Marketable guide that, that we need for American boxing to thrive. So bigger today, maintain big up to you Evan. Then for the check moving right along to the PBC on f s one car, man. Yeah, this five between Theriault goose shea Alston trout. When totally different than what I thought so without further ado, go ahead and send me micro idea pick trial for for this victory. Well, we're whoa. Whoa. Do we get crow? We gotta draw. No. Because you get your money back on the draw. Okay. Bet on trial, and it was a draw. You don't lose your best. So. What you have to eat crow should be told a fucking a derogatory one that site about at out, drown Luke's that not that us busy. But Rizzi wasn't landing the cleaner harder punches thought Guish was landing the harder punches, and I thank you. Hear had better engineers ship than often trial, Austin, Troutman just kinda. Oh, there's no saying he was. I'm sad. I ain't get the see I talk so much shit about child getting his winning. I'm reading from people like that are following stuff like that. That gets shade deserve the wind. Did you feel that way? Wow. I, I had trout and primarily knows I gave this cat. No shot and Big Ben, both for taking my Ben show. He put down twenty dollars on draw and I think he brought bad, like almost two to some. 'cause someone else I think, pe- GOP PG, son, that he also he also posted on the community pays shutout the Mike on drums. What, what is my mind? Wait a minute. Come back to you. Tell me to bet no draw on the bench show. Do this what I'm saying about this. Do you think about if if you don't drill drill drill it? Hey, everybody. And you believe in you don't I didn't say believed in it, but I'm saying if you got a dollar loan. That's all I see man consistently. We got the week, you like leave me out the parlay or lead me out to the, the winning bed like what the fuck is going on. That's crazy shot and sharing my shit. Like I do. Is man, I didn't I didn't might draw. Yeah. Joe? Tell Mike said thanks on a jump. Uh-huh. Trout. You're Trump, we say see you would have had to convince me, that's probably why even Herrick. Don't reasons. What was the draw paying? Fourteen hundred fifteen. Like the best. It was likely 'cause I mean, see shea was finding a guy who bent some words and even though trial the upcoming pas picks. A problems. We was a Olympia had a boring fight with Laura. Yes. It was very boring. But he showed that he had that Laura at to out, thank him to beat them. You know what I'm saying? He wasn't gonna put yourself in those kind of positions to Florida to like win easy. So I knew coming into he had a chance, but I think everybody's I wrote him off. And just this was like a tune-up trout and goes to what I I'm been saying about this division week at the week after week. It's division you've zoo something to think about to make same. This guy could be pretty good. This one allows to Lara is a good loss notice that. And it was right out the Laura or at the Laura loss to not illegitimate before he fell heard. But the but yet Micheal shea right, right there, back in the mix hope the hidden next will be with somebody that, that can propel them to a title shot in San and then what you see what happens and trout, wants an immediate rematch English as say he'll want it. And I don't blame for shea Wh-why rematch useful because you look back, and you wanna read it 'cause you wanna pair, you gotta give you better. You better be what they're giving the meal. Real. I'm going on to bigger and better things. Shade do. By Luba probably won't find a little. And that winter is going to go to fight. That's what you see if you lose. You know, the trout name was better as it was better. And that's been set up for. But then you gotta pay the Bill. And don't get your own fans are fickle. They'll forget about the damn draws soon as Trump and Lou begin get get get made you know, saying, well what have this? This I tried. Probably just was was rang wasn't him step that day. And that's how does that's why. But, you know. A little bit of talkin, man lupins around trust me going come back. No, he is. He is. But I would have liked to see the trout name on his resume more than the name. But I guess he gets some sort of gas shea cachet 'cause he's an Olympia and only Laura beat them. Big shutout or you're still the same division. So, yeah, I, he does get a more cash lower beat them San, but I just wanna give a shout Cordell Booker got a new man patriots motion on the floor going forward that Mike needs to share a screen shot of all his bets on patriots. No more hiding the money Mike has tagged TV patriot. And that's a pound for pound support that watches the Ben show over and over. And it's like oh you left us out be like I hear people obviously heard it, but look, he didn't Andre the canoe from from from now. I was share parties. I tend to do about a party before the show. You know, the eight during the show and try to say me for just in case I'm gonna happen saying something go wrong. With those. But that's my, that's my remedied like success. I really haven't been having any lately, amd been months, I wanted, but definitely what was close yesterday. No San just one just some told me to fucking go with a hearing. As he was plus money to plus money at that. I'm sad yesterday to all my shit hit is set for that fucking shoe. Boo. I and it was too good to be true. And that's the issue with not doing it both ways. But sometimes that both ways so you just don't wanna do that either two months before you don't want to go back and do it again, but could a book a main put on. If you end up winning the other way you went in less money. Anyway. It's not exciting but could a book put it on performance while they Matosa last night. Sad about that brush. He beat the shit out that guy but I was expecting him to stop me, too. I like it was. No just moving out. He should have been able to do it on Matosa you know, he got a draw or, you know, he really should have won versus Vargas. But like, I don't know. There's just blueprint on him. I'm like Cordell was talking about moving up the fight not moving up, but stepping up to Hymie title. Remember he was supposed to get that shot. And it didn't happen, but come on. If you can't knock out of well to, I don't know. I mean look, he's not Jerry, and he's super tough. I know they take shots. Well, I don't know. Man, I thought he was going to get that stoppage. I wish I remembered actually was no prob bets on his best. I can't even tell you what the fucking bookies added that it was like at seven o'clock at night, that, that's why I say that. They, they put him on their believe it around with thirty day or o'clock. I'm on five like soon, the take the the UK should've they'll put some oh America shit. Motherfuckers came this Kate parlay like you case shit with what I can't partly the, the b class UK, she with the b class Americans, should, they know they don't really know that much about the boxing San so smart guys. But Alba while N poach both gifts. Stop it. Just. Tell you about approach. I can't believe somebody hit me up on a compensation to my own Ness was hyping up poacher. He ain't my man beat the breaks, first of all if I should have been stopped in the second round should've stopped in the second round. My man was dead after that he was just sheer heart shot out to Newman for fighting on round after round after round. Now does approaching needs some fucking polishing? Yeah. But I didn't come on here and say he was may whether with the with the scales. Yacht? Don't know about this FA only know about a job book this dudes are beast two. And he proved that. The way you making sound like it was Steph curry with the shot. Boy, every right hand. You wasn't hearing that shit you that shit was slapping, Labra. He just he got to get a little bit tight on DiBa brace heavy handed, and let me tell you this is a huge fight phone like not the loot Newman was a world beater. According to Amsi wash 'em put money on. Oh. You ain't line man. I'm not. This what he get. This. Would he give for real? Snigger man, whatever. But. I don't know. I think he did. Well, man. I, I wanna see them back. Thank you cannot. He said that reference trash are definitely wanna see him again. Nick wanna poetry versus a coli now. Coley, goalie Lawrence Cole is when the likes to whole right hail. Yeah. Nigga. Hold on a boxer. We can't we can't put a poach. Listen, poultry is trained by running shoes. They not gonna do nothing stupid. Not yet, whether they're going to get it skills up your skills. Maybe rich richer, react polling on sending wifi to be a good fight from. They can sue this shit like. Richer react go crazy. Why would why would Ronnie risk that? Who is rag PO man like I pronounce his name let alone L, it put the money on it, don't matter. Like that's not how to shoot works member frankly, I know our this is. To the cross day you put money on. If that would been. So you gotta hand your bed used to Mike. You're stupid wiping money on Edo Edo. And he, he has Reich Voigt actually I had to draw part of eight and fucker. But so nice like to Dan. Yoda's division, deep, which one for my man and just have for Earl Newman. And he still ranked number two hundred bucks wreck. What the? Joe? This division is. Some lines in the cruiserweight division bra, how is Avery Gibson ranked as a cruiserweight, many used this do for everything Lord have mercy Avery. Call me, I'm reading I'm, I'm a twenty one ninety five to ten Dollar Time. Let me see from one fifty to two hundred. Let me see if I know any of these dudes cash, I Li he just bit somebody and he wait. Everybody ranked probably look Bowie to also every way but he's ranked at cruiser. My man knocked him out Jennings. That was a Jennings tuneup, knockout. Brian. Man, I don't know what could Apu Chee due to move up in these. I never heard. I remember this do this is a Burmese to Verne tuna Giampiero Gustis member that I heard of a good. Yes, I heard about, or he is. How is the Pucci Mike polite coffee is a heavyweight with six fights and he's ranked at two. I don't understand boxing. They while in out right in every Margaret. My polite. Don't why he nowhere near sixty eight pounds of muscle muscle. Look, they got Nick Webb what's going on. Maybe. Okay. Let me oh he is. Oh, never mind. Yeah. Maybe a Pucci is coming in heavy now coming under he won ninety eight for this fight. This crazy. I'm gonna go to the top ten top like twenty fifty to see like them. I mean 'cause he's nowhere near ready for that true. But I don't like they've got a job truly embracing your complexities means rejecting anything that can hardly, you are, like smoking cigarettes, which can damage nearly every part of your body tap, the Bannock Seymour, this free like freedom to be tobacco free right now at banana Republic factory. Seventy percent on your stores, fifty percent. Clearing DACA, dresses, starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online, only factory bring fifty. The man this shit. All right, man. Next. Cruiserweight man. Shit brown. Let me see what's the cruiserweight name? He kind of hair. Is even rate. I'm pretty sure you around somewhere. I don't think am ranked anymore, but he definitely fighting over a year. Man go down. Demi list of, of a. Just go down the list of the media opponents should give them. Eleven I Bohm let's see these the real. The American rankings right here. Oh, you see, you see and this, this will make him Flos because if they got him at two hundred a heavyweight, but I think he beats Edwin Rodriguez. The God is going to be a Pucci isn't a coli, you know, along boxer that turns and moves and keeps you at the end of the jab. But Edwin Drake is wants to bro. And so does the Pucci and approach has them heavy hands? The house strong. Bucci is are the clinched guards if these drone he can keep a culinary delight off a real made. I know that Rodriguez is known well by shields because he used to train them. Maybe he still trains them, which would cause this fight not to happen. And Rodriguez is ranked number twenty three in the world that cruiser away. But if he isn't ranked I mean, if he is in trained by Ronnie anymore than that opens up the door because Ronnie personally knows Rodriguez. I've seen Rodriguez fluctuate. He started his career at one sixty. I believe in he's moved up without winning any world title. So you know you can catch him. He's dominican. You know what? Parise. Yeah. That's, that's good to just got knocked out at cruise away right on time to, you know what I like to. I'm looking at bay boot shoe enough. He's, he's not aggressive enough, buddy is a little more technical than you know, Pucci but look he's eighteen eighteen and two with twelve Cao's like he barely fights. This is probably the perfect guy. You know what I mean? He barely fights. He's getting old thirty five he's a name. He's fought b. You know, he's only got two losses and that's company. You'll be hop compiles comparable name. He's been in there with guys. Well, he's been knocked out by Marcus Brown. Become also for many names, other than markets Brown. But yeah, man. Pucci. Let's see what happens. For the final topic. We have on the docket is kinda McGregor once they rematch with ROY may, whether Joanie and I know what everybody thinking why he put it on a diet. I wasn't gonna put on doctor came across an interview with with. Linter l'herbe. He was talking to. I believe Tim these ports. And he said, if coming Greg wants that, that fight that ass. No saying he knows the car, and he's called Dana Dana will get in touch with us now that kinda was, like shocking to me, because kinda McGregor came, I would've narrative that he was winning the early rounds. And, and that he, he could probably be flawed fluid change his style midway between fight so he feels like what a fight under the Bill, that he's more ready and more determined focus now than ever sound like need another big payday, my opinion. But yeah this'll be a nother spectacle happening. Elevate kinda gave it some some leagues wings. But by the coming that he said what Timothy? So you just figured that it might be something that the casual fan and the hardcore fan can argue and bring us together, even more. So. We got this Joshua topic, right? Did you get that, that, that little? No in the pre pro nine the roof. Rip my soul. Let's go champ. See some food. Jack. Chen, I'm trying to pull up the article to boxing scene article on Andy Ruis. Why are you do? Let me rundown. Sure, I quit here. We fear gives the first round KO big heavy theory, Kansal retains WB Bill Paki out wants to make eaters words like talking to my shit, and he wants to put a foot up dumbers ASO coz paying out the center that they say that just Mike using a inner city paraphrasing skills to execute web. Becky I wanted to say if they weren't from the inner city, which year, but not just my, my understanding Lawrence coding back back in July. Six in Manchester arena, Kubeck, Pula will be be working with memo her DEA for his upcoming fight so big ups to compa- parallel. Hopefully I'll get legal stuff is the high. You get you back in the rain hopefully with the new trainer. You might be looking better. Joe's josh. Shabazi's to the AJ card, so you guys we'll be saying that senior flight Madison Square Garden this weekend because to him Virgil hundred. Thanks. Con does not train enough and between fights fill. Like when it gets into count, he does great. But in between fights, it doesn't have the necessary training regimen to keep yourself to be competing at world level, the matrix. Andres. Thanks that this the performance against celek, you will kind of like some minutes. His his name one sixty. I don't know how, but if he comes out and have impressive performance and get a first round knockout, maybe he here, make some noise and last, but not least let me, let me just jump in because you said, make some noise in like fuck it I guess I'm the resident hate it right enough. I think the same thing, hate me anyway. But like you'll Andre talk so much shit. But he's the only fight of the Sonnen design the hasn't fully taken advantage like he took advantage in terms of making the money but he hasn't had a devil Haney like performance. He hasn't had all exander light twenty belly like performance. He hasn't had that performance that canal. Oh, had he hasn't had that, like he has a had that he just keeps saying what he could do. You know, he he cold out Earl Spencer, like, but I don't even know the names. I don't even know who he fought. I don't know who he fought. Who'd he fight for real? For one Nigerian, right? You Walter watch assumption, man. Longest has now that before because that was the Nigerian or the African who was that before him as FOX on holy. Own zone. That's what I'm saying. Like he only want to get a deal on zone and not do nothing. I mean, I was a big baby, baby. I was going to be Billy Joe Saunders. But it was Walter. I try to say that they. Supposed to get Billie. Joe? Guess that's what they're going to tell me that the Andre fans. Lisa. Bob Arum, says curse Stevenson and Mike, Colin what probably be happening in the future. Which is sound like me, trying to say my common, and keep that Irish of fan base in tech, and keep it is money come in make no mistake about it. If common gift in the rain, which corps he will not win because it's just too soon. Now you just sign thing. I'm saying anytime in his career anytime for sure. But you gotta see that's all part of the promotion, someone gotta be the B side. Even if you're a good fan base and, and it took a seller. And Bob just got the last piece of the puzzle. Man. He just created his own welterweight division at the one twenty six Michael Collins should call Stevens. And now you've got the gold medallist, two time gold medalist from Cuba. What's his name bin ski or something like that, with them, I think, as bitchy Ramirez. Look at it. I don't have it in front of me. And that's the show. Big ups busy, I think he was the they pay into him. A couple of times had has go in his mouth. So big up to him like this way. Goatee this way. I love it. His name is. Remember? Ruben ramirez. That's weird to Tom go meta, the two thousand twelve two thousand sixteen. So sat out the top ranked yo it's crazy man. I wonder why right outside the whole two thousand twelve set Joseph Di as but then it looks like Bob everybody in two thousand sixteen. Right. Besides your listen now and a. That's about it. What the fuck talk about no investment. Which is weird. Why, why where's the investment? He's like you got to start that you won't I think right now, so time focused on PC is focused on building what they get the ready been there with the guy from the grassroots. So maybe maybe twenty twenty that's when you do it again, saying, I guess, and is just like an undeniable star out there. But you gotta get, I guess, in, I hope is all I'm saying, you know, I just see them not being. As aggressive in signing fighters as they used to be, especially when you see them lose, as many of they had they lost big baby Tyson fury, Gillian, why. I mean, the list goes on and on just keep losing fighters on that side of the street, bro, Daniel Jacobs. I mean it's crazy. I mean, look at the imported division, whether invested in thing relented loss. Nobody. Well, besides card Frampton, then you lose much when he's six they really looking to buy it for like one forty seven one four. Nobody's gone. One sixty eight who love benefit has tried to leave, but he ended up staying on this. And so. I mean, I'm just saying like the divisions that they tried to leave Samson Luek pitcher member. He's got his own deal with the victim is just like we perceive for two nights, PBC fighter. He's lewitt's. Vich fighter. We'll be seeing one hundred and fifty four pound. You know, I think it's called the twin towers or the twin cow. Wasn't a Joey Spencer of two thousand sixteen Olympic. I gotta. I got. Because he's like eighteen years old Desa guy that will be Brian on him. Chew is right here they team. Chris Colbert was Kobe Bryant too. So maybe that's what they said. Let's get some Kobe's. Liz. I don't know. But they wanna talk about this Joshua versus Ruiz fight. And the fact that. Andrew as did an interview with Garth. I don't know if you remember, Garth let me get the interviews, but titan theory. Glasses long long grey hair shot out. Where's this first name? Garth Davis years. Garth Davies Davies of the telegraph. So I could read you all the quotes. But the bottom line is he says, and I, quote, we've seen a lot of videos of Mike Tyson, we're working on some of the moves he did. So I can get to Anthony Joshua. The main thing is I gotta stay focused in prepare and get ready for anything. So is wit into Ruis assize, but his mobility, his speed, you know, I'm assuming he's talking about that lateral Tyson movement like Sada shit before you get in. And I wanted to double that with the fact that Anthony Joshua not only had Greg Corbitt inspiring for his can't. But he also has Joey de welco sparring for this can, which is a great sparring partner to mimic. Andy release in my opinion. He's not as fast as, as maybe doesn't punch us off, as Ruis cure. That man they call you read in the area, but I'm not to be right now, Joey de worker probably do a better job at mimicking might Tyson than any ways. And there's no disrespect. Andy Reid does, not have the body type does not have the athleticism, Mike Tyson, not how the punching power of my Tyson. So trying to mimic, somebody that. Huh. You need that intimate Dacian. That's also that was. Mike had like people were scared before they got in the ring. Maybe whereas his favorite, maybe Josh will be so back when they get rain. Say that because that's one of the quotes that I too not, not knowing. But I didn't bring up. He says, and I quote, they're all the people are underestimating, underestimated me. But it's it'll be a hell of a fight. They're going to see what I've got. I'm here to shock everybody shocked the world and show them all what I'm about. I'm ready for Anthony Joshua. Hopefully, he's overlooking me thinking out be a piece of cake. It's a whole different ballgame. When you're in the ring with me, once they see the speed and accuracy, I have I know, I'll shock him a lot. I, I think you should stick to what dance stick what you know trying to change up game. Factories. Save big with fifty to seventy percent off store. Let's fifty percent off clearing doc up dresses starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online only factory right now with nanna Republic factories, save big seventy percent off stores. Let's fifty percent off clearance. Stock up on dresses. Thirty in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online only factory trying to mimic, somebody, as a rare specimen athlete at my Tyson would be a mistake to definitely do with what got you here and I'm not trying to be disrespectful at all. But looking as like me, right now, looking at LeBron's Jane footage and say, I'm about to go out there and, and trust in the Braun. I can't walk. I'm not I what you have. You know what I'm saying simple as that. You don't have what might have you have what Andy Reid has. And that has got to a world title shot and back to another world shy. So keep doing what you're doing you the skill that you use by guest Trinko us what you've been using to get these guys about us. What use to have a coast controversial fight with just a Parker used at and meta chips, fall, where they may and like my God, lives low from Georgia say. He's going to win this fight. So you the people are here that, that believe when you but changing up game plan in the middle of Cam trying to do things different ways to tell started camp is not it's not the best thing to do in my opinion. So Joseph Rodriguez our mastermind with the super chat says by mimicking Mike Tyson. He means head movement and combination as well as getting on the inside on the bigger. Man. I totally agree with that. That's what I felt like I think he means that last moments like cut the distance because Josh was the bigger taller men, so get outside or inside of that jazz. I never been rain to next Friday. So first time the rain, but right or wrong don't out here. Don't drain you like making little bit tire. No saying, like during the energy. I mean but he's shaped he just as new question. Does that not drain? Can't take some of your stamina. Yes. You're exert if you try to do this by never doing it before, in a world title fight on the, the magnitude of that, despite going gonna be on, on the all the British famous gonna be coming screaming yelling all that kind of stuff. You wanna do that this fight the first fight you wanna try some new the first time, I guess, AJ. And that's what got you here, Mike. It's not. I don't think he's changing anything. I think he's just adding something instead of like, maybe double jab your way in. He's gonna you know using little head movement and then the double jab just talking about cutting distance. Why are you making a soul dramatic? I'm not I'm saying is about employing that type could wasting a lot of unnecessary energy that the AJ could capitalize on and another thing that'd be. Got to be a mindful of so many any dip down AJ might put the fan on his neck moving real quick bang. Fucking right. Uppercut coming. We've seen it audited. We've seen that and the pocket fight. When when, when Parker down we've seen in the vast fight when van down AJ does that should may come up top. What is what does that fans don't you just sit right there? Real quick. Move it real quick, and bang up a good so duck duck initiate on about their bre. I man, I hear you, but he's got he's got to have a plan. A be even see indeed. This is this is his Super Bowl. So I don't think there's anything wrong in his comments. I just don't get showing his focus is showing that he's, you know, thinking before getting in the ring, and he and he's trying to come up with game plan and backup plans. And you know it's all good. So what do you think about AJ bringing Joey, the welcome? I like that. I really, really liked that. I actually would've loved to see that fight between Indian dweller. I wonder if they ever had it real particular back, I think plan should be whatever it is plan b should be reinforced playing and plan C should be go out out until you can't go. No more and try to make plan now going to Joey, the welco. I'll believe that there is a damn good person to bring in saying good. Boxing on saying, Hans. And really had a very, very competitive fight with like. Coups Mano, hey last on his own. I was really impressed about what I've seen, and I could see what, what why baby had problems NFL around with widow because he gave. Coups much trouble for ten or two around. I've kid how long it was. But yeah, man. Thank fast hands. Maybe not the, the, the, the ballroom combinations of a of a are Reese, but definitely have the hand speed and does go to the body just like does so. Thanks, good. Sparring partner for. Damn bro. Damn bro. Andrew is biggest win is like. Dermot. Trank oboe. Like his win on. PBC. His biggest win. I mean at Bob, Bob did get them this, this Joseph Parker win or fight. You know which some thought he won Joseph skinny by Kevin Jansen to excuse me, Joshua believes he won excuse me, Kevin to did he fight. Kevin johnson. Thank last fight. But before he went to BBC. You gotta use the. You why pretty what? Like I said, man, I just. That's just a little bit depressing. Twenty-one Cao's sixty four percent last KO is versus Devin Vargas. Never heard of him. I can't discredit them for not knocking out Kevin Brady. Stop he stopped Trinko. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I can't discredit them for not knocking out. Kevin johnson. He did knock out Dmitrenko but. That is it lie. Kovic is Dion say wilder common opponent, but he got a U D with him. Tore him. It was a former Lou dibella guy that never made it the television, Joe Hanks got knocked out by Joe Joyce. And, you know, Ruis did it in four Joyce did it in one. But Joyce did get a older version of them. Yeah. I don't know. Man. Damn article made, you kind of believe right or made you want to dream. But the resume doesn't say that, I know Mike's type of guy you like to say guys could rise to the occasion, right definitely, but not changing, like adding something totally new, but the power is in dairy anyway. Like I mean, if the biggest knockout, his tranquil should I even go back to see, like, who else knocked out there, maturing go and how? By believe my guy. Brian jennings. Stop them. Joseph Parker, stop them in three so Jennings. Stop them in nine Ruis in five Joseph Parker in three Cobra pool eleven and eleven Eddie chambers when a decision with him. That's it. Man. I'm just ready for this to happen. No saying this week if I will come to fruition, hope the Andes really, really, really honing in and believe in stuff, but I just don't know about the whole Bobby, we even shit all saying. I just wanna say the that we've being seeing staying true to yourself believe in your skill level and believe that you can't be Josh, even I it's a mon- money mental Eric's should we all bleed the same. And we all put up pants on the same. So he no different than you on. Thank you gotta do manage rise to the Cajun. Yeah. Man. Someone not someone. But I will mastermind saying that releases good at catching and shoot. And I just don't see the power man. I mean you know what short guys had some success with the left hook, right? Tackle Pevec again. I don't know. Let's see what, what does he definitely looks like he has Powell. Like when he's saying those pads in training, right? It's like he's whipping those OEMs. You wanna believe it has something hannukah's? It sounds like it's crushing. But you got all the news and notes, I'll get to the sponsors. Let's get to the callers. Remember to write his five stars on itunes base. Calls are brought to you by El Camino electrical services experts in electric vehicle charging stations for consultations and turnkey installation. Visit us at El Camino electrical services dot com. A young fellow. He comes from. Magnolia. With go. Go was go wish might was Brad what ain't nothing dove. See brent? Yeah. Right. On time to I just had the truck in all year in Sam, but save my bread. What you gotta realize though, this Washington light town opportunity, foot is doing and it reads. He got to go all out my own that motherfucking going out there trying to be safe, and you know what I'm saying giving just like a close fight, but not win that what you talkin bout him fighting, somebody closing winning the motherfucker. That's why he's trying to change the game plan China whatever he can do put on the best show possible. He need because he's not gonna win the decision this. Let's be real. Right. You do need not go. He need to e need to win. Eight full convincingly now, eight four and we got a couple swing around in y'all. Trojan. And like they never everybody right up drope. Joe got his as it did. Eighteen what you do aged do that. The crown do of Eddie, Herman immeasurable, you gotta wear eight full convincing man. That's my co Ruis. If you listen to the show man say about getting out man plan. If that line man go out and go get this shit. That's my coat. I just don't think and some new in the training camp. Well up the level just do what you do and just do that. Fucking ten times better. Just come roll with by, like say, man, go out. Don't, don't go out flatland but shit. You gotta get knocked out to wins. Sometimes you got what you gotta do our newest boomerang. Kansas City Mack, aka Virgil hunter. Casey city, Matt. What the bidding? Kinda muffled kind of like on a bad wildfire. But say some again. There you go. Yeah, I had had attended phone. Yeah. Watching that show of chose a look better than us. I won't say you need retired. Got said it should. But. AJ in Louise matter. No matter letting bridges falling down that ever says back games fifteen then when while the WDC. He he's been a monster terror. These deals that they've been saying they've been giving contractors phone. We can end up right here, while to say would take anything that they would that they that contract, they would do he would. He would do a the rematch to AJ would take that. He said, no. So where I know who's been scared? They can keep coming later on in the Casuals whatever you wanna call. We already know man. I've been gone for why been calling can still doing this thing. Will you know, he always have one judges so can keep saying, doesn't keep pumping money? Keep hoping money we'll we'll watch. No snoop or their cricket stuff, man. You bracelets. You wanna stay alive. Running the ESPN, you know, seven WBZ can't City Kansas city, making building. Kansas City hit me up on patriarch, if you want that get back on the boomerang or just press one, right? Now to get out of the queue and press one. When you're ready to get back into the queue speaking of boomerang Kaz. I'm going out to them. I got Joseph on the line, but you're not you have impressed one. So I'm going to Bouma Ranga in New Jersey. King me. Kidding me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Great night. Great. Saturday was good weekend. I think Evan Haney. It was a showcase. I don't even know where is he go from here on his own? I'm not sure if they got enough bodies over in the UK, but I think he'll he'll keep making nets you talked about building the resume versus you know just making the fight. I think the way it is. Now, everybody jumping with, with these, you know how they signed up if it's not going to be cross promotional we don't think we're going to have the opportunity for cash to Bill resumes like that. But you talked about, you know, somebody heavyweight you talking about somebody for heavyweight put his young cat. What about Tommy Karpinski? Jamie, progressive's employee of the month two months in a row. Leave a message at the hi Jamie. It's me, Jamie. I just had a new idea for our song about the name your price tool. So when it's like, tell us what you want to pay. Hey, trombone goes, blah, blah, blah. And you say, we'll help you find coverage options that fit your budget. Then we just all do finger snaps while a choir goes, savings coming at ya. Savings coming at you. Yes. No. Maybe. Anyway, see you practice tonight. I got new lyrics for the rap break. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law right now at the nanna Republic factories. Save. Store. Let's fifty percent off clearing DACA. Dresses, the polo starting in nineteen ninety nine thank your nearest store. Shop online, only factory. That's not a good name. He. He light heavyweight light heavyweight. Yeah. He beat Chad and just laws to some my. Yeah. So, you know that I don't fit, but I was just thinking about names, but I don't know. I don't think we're going to be able to build a less. Like you say it's funny you pointed that out PBC had, you know, doubles on fights. I, I would see Garcia Thurman again port. So I could see double up on fights, but we no death you. Right, man. It's kinda going to be the same old same old, but, you know, I don't want to say like is negative because we still got good at you right now. Yo that I wanna I wanna call them FA 'cause tall FA, as tall FA. But the little FA he's fight, and I keep bringing nickname 'cause 'cause he's always in the mix. He's like a little acid, mid mass or like he just kinda keep that, that, that right hand handcock back and he will he throw that shit that should don't that was probably one of the most entertaining fights because y'all trout came out looking like Larry Holmes Monday, I turn that on and, and I talk so much shit in if I go with my. I'm going to double up. I talked so much shit about Tritan good trout and Kosei being, you know, the ju- men, and they trout came out looking flabby Lord. I'm like God damn now get it. You know, he'd be doing a lot of you know, commentators shit on the side. But and I thought could Shay was going to come in there. You know, like a young strong do kind of bullying. He started boxing with, with Austin trials like man, I, I really couldn't really find no, no enjoyment in that fight straight up and died. I watched the only because I talk so much shit about it being a good fight herring. Ito I still got to see some more from hearing out, I think, herring, he got it should just show leg a little bit. I, I see the difference between him and somebody like Daniel Jacobs, then you take back story hit you. My first. Story. I his backstory hits you plus at least he come in there and knock my fuckers out, and I'm not saying, whether it's too early not. But Harry, like with. Man. Kick off of it. And it was a minute. What that does not Sergio more. See both. Tom ago. I mean yeah, it can't be a long time ago because every time we, you know, we got to compare it to the after that it was triple g. It was a fight after that. But what I was saying. He he, he he's, he's adding two more than just a story. I'm not disrespecting nothing about hearing but he got it. He got a I really don't I can't get a view of his style. Like I don't know what kind of style guide. I don't see I don't see none of even even while I was in the gym. Listen to that amazing show, y'all fellas did like when the when he first came, it was about his daughter in those things, but he transitioned to be so much more than that. So you gotta be more than the store, your skills, gotta pay the Bill and that's what he said. You gotta walk. You're like you're talking. So I ain't gonna hold up. The lies is good that, you know what I'm saying be or head talking about this this weekend. It was live. Nets. You got a birthday coming up, man. So shut out the you shout out to the show, south to Jay from Orlando in oh, info Joe everybody else. Man, I'm out. Thank you, brother, for the birthday wishes. We're gonna keep these live move, and we got some more boomerangs headed. No one out to Texas. No, my. Right. So I thought, I'll with the hearing fate, right? I think he could've made by a whole lot. A whole lot easier by. Thing that left him with wide open, all day, straight down the pipe and. He was in the right way in my opinion, but he did what he's for some reason. He wasn't. Let go that left hand. Like he like, he should have in my opinion. But. Congratulate him. And you know, you know, he got the felt the fighting like that. I don't know how long you gonna be the you know, the in built. Yo when I thought Haney nocco, you're always like I needed sex day. From Landau, and I was like, yo, we might have wanted to knock out like he caught that you perfect. I was like, that's it was top ten like in, in the last decade, that was a L L real big. Another topic relief. He got he got the short Southie punches man. He kinda quick for that side. But if I might type in comparison I do agree with what you said. I think he I mean he's not a little bit of that in the left with the head moving here moving. He told a little bit against a turban thank. But y'all about that. Birthday man, what we're doing? We hitting the club will be going strip clubs. What's going down? I don't know. I mean we have plans, but Jose. He might not becoming now. So I don't know million. I'm sure we'll find something to do. All right. Well, thanks for calling, and let me see we got a first time. Caller, eight three three eight nine eight three three eight nine first-time caller. Who's this? If you are a first time caller, you can just say, I am. I calling. We'll play this first time caller intro. And then allow you to introduce yourself even cooler totally up to you. Eight three three eight. Now, we here I I'm call it. Yeah. I mean I called like a month ago but I never got that intro. Never got that intro go, ladies and gentlemen, making his professional debut. Yoi Scott from South Carolina. That's racist. That was a total stake sky. The white guy on loan. You wanna play raises on them? That was a total mistake. South carolina. Okay. Policies man. Dot. I, I really don't even I'm not sure about the last night, and a lot of he's and, and Joshua and all that. So I wanted to call in. I think this is perfect man, I think is going to be great because wilder I don't know what you guys dog. But I think if it's gotta be fifty fifty now's the time to make it happen, while going viral with his knockout. He just had a pay per view last year, and Joshua's fighting a nobody. I mean it's not a nobody, but essentially, it's a shit situation for him with eighty Ruis. And I know that the fight probably won't happen this year. But I don't know man with everything going on. It wouldn't be to surprise that they start talking about making the fight happen this year because they're gonna they're gonna have to eventually I mean. Wilder. I think that the point where he might actually get that fifty fifty. I mean he his stock has gone through the roof in my opinion on what you guys think. Yeah. We we actually had a energy while yesterday. So if you wanna go check it out on the channel, definitely some things that are, are making some headline news around the bucking world. So go ahead and check that out man. He lays out everything his plans for this year in next. Oh, yeah. I saw that. You gotta try. I missed. I usually don't miss these shows that was one. I missed man. He called me out on it. Yeah. Well. Exactly. Thank you for calling in. You could always catch yesterday's episode on I MHz, tune in Stitcher. You know, all that great stuff on the right here, right here on YouTube dot com for its last box, invoice. Just go to the playlists podcasts. We got a five star review, but I know age money, but first year, we gotta h money, but we got a five star review. But first, we got a two star says the title is Ness, too. And it comes from Mikey bones, might be bones. Calling by trying to send the up man somebody trying to set and he out check it out. So calling your co host triggered. When obviously you are the one that's triggered it is painful to listen to always whining about getting cut off when you think you're right Ness. 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Eighty five nine McKay. Mickey hanging. Like like like Andre ward like the right mentor Haney. He told the. The. Every night. He me. Len initiate already great college money. Just me. Just like. Pitches. Danny. H? To age don't kill them kill them like that. Now I'm there. Saddam's, aims shout out to age money and Jimmy on a collaboration. That was a Jimmy. That was Jimmy image gnome saying with the video, and he decided that though h own attract aid, you blowing up Allie, any streets, man. David. Oh, I put it up there. I mean, everybody got one in fifteen on Instagram, you know, many people. I don't know how many views but whatever you tell you use some double. Let's go to the mastermind. Joseph insects. Wooder. A press one of eating with the fan, but I had better from. You already know. But today about David Haines performance was brilliant. I love it. I said of doing on a fan of that may weather compares and I'm I'm bitterly business back by anybody. Compare anybody to really don't do? That's not gonna happen. Roy Jones with a problem Jones was the different animal away, different animal. But the thing with David, hey guys, I think we shouldn't rush him. I know people wanting to fight like people want team already be fine Loma. And I think that, that right now you'll letting namely more, you know, get get let them get be ready when you throw into soon Kate come back, we Connecticut back from it, but we all know with box you take a long in advocates offense. They will throw you away. It's one of the sad realities, we had to do it. I wish most boxing fans wouldn't. But right now that's the case. So, but he definitely impressed me set up, what they're not beautifully. And. Overall, man? I didn't get trout to say a move this point to you that, that trout with to the drum in their opinion, most you'll have to check that out later on. But. And then with the ebony, Andy release, Joshua thing I think, I think JD earlier said, you know, any Ruiz, I think, Mike thinking too much into what he's saying about the Mike Tyson thing. It's a it's like that's gonna kinda collaborate a little bit. And he's already kinda got the style for. He's a shorter man. Put a little bit more work on the punches. Get inside. And you gotta get inside on the big man. You can't just be at at at at Joshua read. You gotta keep k keep you bay. You definitely have no shot when at work remains to be seen with release got fast hands. But I don't think he has the the. The physicality of Mike. Mike was a real, physical dude. But isn't that, that's my coal running back for hop on appreciate? I want to ask you a question this, sir. What, what do you think about boxing fan like get mad when fighters take maybe five w dean, not on the level of that necessarily, don't want? Why do you think boxing, fans get mad when fighters take fights boxing fans? Don't leave the on a level or or, or necessarily, they don't want because, you know we want we want I don't, but I I don't I don't get it, though. You don't get fans get. Yeah. You ain't never met a girl, you wanted to absolutely I, then you ain't get mad when you could. That's, that's different. No, it's it is. Because fucking not a sport where maybe for some but not a sport. Come on. I'm I'm gonna just. I'm thinking, I'm gonna give you analogy. I'm thanking the line of, of NFL fan or best ball fan. Right. The best teams don't play each other every week sometimes the best play. But this. Oh, hear me. The, the best paid gonna pay that bummy team at the bottom of the Oakland Raiders, the fucking currently the Demi patriots. We don't get mad. We still watch the game. So what I'm saying is why do boxing fans get mad like the today expect them to play the fucking patriots and the the the ramp every week or. Every time this is what we've grown accustomed to. We've learned the hard way that. Fighters on the elite level or what you wanna consider being a level may. Only get and only fight twice a year. So when going down like that we want to good fights. That's not the way it should be because obviously, you can fight more than twice in a year. But because you are of that, caliber, you refranchising they want you to heal. You need more time to heal. You get more pampering, once you rich you need six months. Three months for training camp, three months vacation, three months training camp three months for vacation. You too much like a recovery town to fighters. Don't go go, go. And I'm glad I against Marta lying to the time that year because, like, like what I was not meant to be hit, especially of the head and boxing, which is different from USC when a guy gets done, you can have by own beat the shit out a pull you out, sometime guys can are smart enough, and are, what do you have to around, and then get their parents back, and we all know how much damage you can accumulate over time. Let me get out to Bouma Ranga Kansas City met, once what's going on. The mayor Dave. Hang. Thing stain. Man, smoking omega the I need. What you. Is great is greater. You talking. Okay. But Balu Dave Hannah did his thing. He's doing stayed on. You know, that's, that's right. They had a sign him came in Connecticut, but we came rushing. You say guys styles from two different people not just make with it. He broke his he broke his he broke his opponent down systematically. And he got him about it. They're meant anyway. Twenty one and the minivan is by, like you said, ain't even fully developed so give match. While man I'm gonna keep them on, while this heavyweights ain't even for powerful reason. So Machiko he can do is stay. They keep saying the best thing since like bread disrespectful taught of rates. So I mean just getting a little more fights, one forty seven deep water. That's where it gets merged. Israel tricky. See, we're having a Browner flash them out of there. Can you talk about Bruno more? Now. They made that Thurman gotta southern Pac man for Dharma playing possum me well to nobody say, we'll see. We'll see. I'm thanks Marie. Yeah. I agree, Thermo Thurman. Let them focus thing. He was nj by the take them fucking crown cata and they can't disrespect. Every check I am in that chat. We got a new call seven one four three two seven one four three two. First time call. Seven one, first time caller, sixty two seven one nine. I I'm caller four three two seven one now for three to talking to you. Wanna talk. Ps, listen. Good. Yeah. What the world now? Here we go to check make boxing, talk to me with the bin. With the been with the list. Yeah. I'm glad that, that call has my sentiments exactly I think calling Loma powerful town. Number one is disrespectful to boxing. But as I mentioned, to you guys earlier couple of days ago, I had a little drag out confrontation with with Tom gray and keep out, and with the guy what's keep getting. No, no, no. From the ring magazine. What does fiscal year? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. He called me crazy told me delete, my county, I was racist. And I said, we'll do all I ask you validate your reason for calling Loma, number one path of explain to them? How this is to brainwash. You know what I mean the public as well as influence the judges as well as the governing boards, and, and the general public. They don't know that you call somebody pound for pound. They wanna go with that narrative he is how thirteen one boxer. He number one way, ten K o his not. The best athlete is not the most powerful he doesn't have the defense he doesn't. He's not the best. So I'm offended every time. I eat it, and purposely sidelining American fighters typically black America fights, if you pound for pound, and they've been doing this consistently for reason I don't have enough time to that's called, but I've written it out. I defeated. Everyone made it everyone on Twitter came from me and get caught all these things. I don't mind it because you know what I mean? But I mean that's my thing before this Dev, Haney great great show, showing of course he's the truth. He's no. He's not fluid. He's Devon Haney. I don't see fluid in but I've seen potential greatness in him. So I think that's a wonderful thing. He did a money grab Eddie. He's, you know, he's not gonna stay with Eddie, because he no he's not gonna get the views but he's taking the money too great for that young man. Because these they would any about three four five and then comes back, then some PVC he you to come with then, hey, then he's going to great things but days. Days. Y'all me tank Davis is the future pound for pound number one star. If they give credit do he is going to get all the belt at one thirty, and it gets that undisputed, something that Loma has failed to do kind Davis is the truth. And of course, I'm a bomb squad for life forty forty club. John wilder forty one forty k os. And everybody's fucking ignored it. I'm sick of it. I've become a rebel on Twitter, and I don't care who likes it, don't like it. I'm fighting everybody. Okay because I don't like the fact that they're Moore in the greatness that we are witnessing, while is the most devastating puncher. We seen this Mike Tyson and America needs to get on board behind this the world needs to get on board behind you cannot ignore what we're witnessing right now. We know he's on final. What does he does? Well. Could it? Cut it Greg cards, make recovery on wanna boomerang. On. That's coming right up. Talk to me on Skype. But on. Oh shit. We have. Yeah. Went to Kevin gays the concert last night might relations lead. Sundresses in booty shorts was abundant with his as mainstream. Yet can definitely management middle of. Was packed. It was like eighty percent white kids. Man. That's how you know, you made it when filling out of mass white kid. Yeah, it was Levy a near miss the place. I drove the Kentucky Georgia. Kentucky, kentucky. That's. If you go to. You know talk to me when he like ninety God. Night, Ben this fucking which I am because I don't know all I know he'd been at the garden. The play bags. I wanna shout Djamil Harry, you know, coming back when titled showing is like, you know, have to PBC he listened to a lot of these calls in one, they make stand L. Once you leave your career, especially done, he's, you know, proved wrong with that, you know, go Fokker or become chanting, no good to over there shutout. The Denny know he looked. You know, I was. Star. You will young starting to bake shut up to his dead. Great your home about his dad may be used to great the man's legend at him. He's looking like he's going to be a future champion. Like I said, I went out last night. So I get the catch word interview live. I wanna thank you for coming off two hours, you know, that's the credit will give him. But as far as the content interview I'm not gonna waste my time, even, you know, talk about that before Bush, and he was talking about it was a rain garden. You know, that's say about that. He's lane shit should I don't approve of, of a lot of ducking shit. Jonah call him out about, but, you know, me being unbiased box that I am. I ain't gonna bite my tongue. He said, I section keep saying, you know we keep bringing up to fifty million I don't say nothing when he was here not too long ago saying getting percent in that he got a fight now. He's back checking if I get the I might not. So we gotta start calling guys out, you know what I'm saying. Now he's saying even if he got fifty east might not take flight. I'm telling your candidate should have been at the water Brazil puts pressure on Ned to decided STAN, Miami John yourself in exotic cooked. The. Net over that, Cincinnati, you know, I want to say I'm a hater but damn people don't don't bring up in his same breath. Well, maybe not say they not going to happen. This is bucking. Thanks happen in the fight could happen at the end of this year so much so so much so so much. So Michael Benton, retweeted L, how that should go with Michael Benson once a twenty on saying as, as go, it'd be re tweeted, it'll be shared and there you go. Next call on. We got we got we have an owner, a boomerang on Buni. See, I wanna dress them in a cool, right? Quick, like see I'm not allegedly before before before. Bring to the coot legend. His, I'm hearing stuff about age breath, and I need a new our investigator reported, as in Chad of listening coding. I'm hearing about as the messiah from another man in saying, like, we gotta still doing some investigative reporting, and finally really real. What are you saying that he shouldn't be getting a massage by the mail? Masseuse. Did you ever get a massage from a male masseuse? I mean let's let it hang. Let's put it out. Have you ever got him aside from? I can't all massages glass, you could if you could afford to mail, hanging the kid it, my shit fucked up strong, and they're gonna give us lodges out. I'm like got them. I fucked up between him in a little biddy and women. I'm the nigga knows just. Like you. Gotcha. Gotcha. But, but Mike respect you I respect you for how you attack that shit. Yeah. Cutting cone, and you put it on the way out. I respect that because I asked the simple question and you give simple ads. You understand now. I'm here that he was on his he was laying on his stomach turned around on his back then the guy's started massaging. Chip steak new. Got no box boxing credibility. Where did you sound heard by accident? I'm asking because I heard even seek news. I never. And it don't do it by but I like the new dealing with you know what I'm saying? I like the kind of if I'm invest my time in money and I did like with that's your. That's why we gotta get these fighters on the box. It was. So we do interviews like while the came on year and told his whole life story and address every fan that code in asking question he answered them by name a real. So we just need. No, we need. Let's, let's get married on the show. And let's get down to get down as my coat. Oh man. Always entertaining Endo, man. I'll wait. That's an even. On a boomerang. Turn those chist. Yeah. What the hell? That was what? Real quick, man. Let's talk about the right? Look loma. Keiko panir one, there's all you may I personally have met people that use that their team five. But you gotta remember he's my time he turned pro. He was like twenty six thirty he's had thirteen fights. Tell me buddy who in their first thirteen five has had that, that same resume as done what he's done mean. And, and right now who's anybody that we could see feasibly beating him. You know what I mean is this? I don't see anybody that could beat him right now. But Crawford right there. Number two, you know you can argue but and and and. And Earl two three, you know, just depend on how work so we will say, Connecticut one, but to say that, that lower tinkle has no business there. It's ridiculous. Pure hate is pure. Hey, if you don't think so men demand of the made. He had he had a, a, a crazy amateur back his amateur record is like three hundred and to like that some crazy shit. He's fights, two time Olympic gold medalist, he was in the World Series of boxing. So there's, there's more to it yet, you lose to Salida, but tell me this who, what, what do you know, fight someone the level of lead on the second fight when you really look at it 'cause people like to use that, but let's be real, there's veteran tactics. We'll fight in the second fight going, twelve rounds. Thirty euro people. But in the second fight for twelve around thirty two that been fighting like eight rounds in the world bucks or world silver series about whatever is. That's what I'm saying though. But when when you look at it, you got five with four five four around five realize their name here. He's this series was done when no here. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. But when when you look at veteran tactics Selena was thirty five or he knows how to do headbutts throw elbows get you on. It was a thirty fight and that, that fire was the best they could have because he learned, he learned about those kind of tactics how you can make a fight there. You could make a five physical rough and tough. That's why doesn't arguing for medicine have panic anyways because a lot of people don't even. Hey wait, I think is weird because I mean, why, why have we done in them? I don't know. Personally, I do have was mind, but I would be massive. You said you had butter years, or, or Cannella, or whoever on us you, but I, I think to say that he doesn't belong to you buy, whatever is ridiculous argument but oh and Kevin gates. His main thing nest, he got a whole, generally. He could it. Cut it. No number no, Kevin gaze that college I love eating as what the foot yacht talking about or listening to be careful. Listen amount man amount may see out the mall morning show. 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Ladies and gentlemen, to another episode of the box voice radio. Today's preview in prediction day. For a huge monumental moment in women's boxing as Clarisa shields versus Christina hammer, throw down for undisputed, and we're going to talk obviously, Loma chanko versus Anthony Corolla and Hyman Ghia Verney versus Denis HOGAN and so much more. Just a lot of hob and topics to talk about plenty of box in new heavyweights in the mix and Wilsey action this weekend. What are your thoughts? Are you going to check them out? You know, the number to call in one four to five five six nine fifty to forty one. If you want to voice your opinion, right here on the voice of the people hotline. We may have a few guests treats just never know stick around. So the front telephoned don't forget the subscriber. Trying to hunt down that two hundred thousand we got to that hundred. You also add Nestor gives on Skype and be part of the conversation that way download that Skype absolutely free on both Android iphone respected at markets. Why? Are there? Download that paycheck and receive exclusive content only from TB never seen or aired anywhere other than patriot. Let me jump on out to a couple of my co host and get this thing started big weekend of boxing, a lot of boxing. Dot com. Stuff. Dot com. Yoyo with everybody turning TBB universe back you another one for Thursday, and yes, Kristina Hamm versus versus she in women undisputed middleweight title fight. I'm pumped about this. Right. They've been building up building up for about a year about a year and a half. Now. So I'm glad they used to women have found the there what the man's have a heart problem doing this biting the bist getting men ring. And I'm glad to see that these two women actually did that. And why I'm thinking about it just want to give my shutout the whole city of LA the people that put together the the funeral service. Great thing today for an and yet my whole whole lot of boxing angling, bore you with my voice Ranji was going on a long time. Era era. Jack. What's going on everybody with the dry weaken of last weekend? We have pretty much had a whole bunch of fights come between Friday and Saturday all combined from ESPN two Showtime to dissolve on to ESPN. And with that, you know, we definitely have the undisputed women's middleweight championships. The women showing how the guys had a really do it. But from that point. We also got solo Machiko financing Cruella nother title will. I don't even think it's the title Gilbert. Oh ramirez. I don't know if he's defended on it. We'll look into it. But in addition to that, we got Sergei during chanko, and if the Peter Quillet card against Caleb chew acts that would be eliminator Chris kolber money, pow Joey Spencer, talk about tons of prospects on FM one card in addition to that we also will see some heavyweights newer heavyweights televised on Showtime underneath clears shoes. Undercard? And if you got the design your high moon gear and Diego delahoya family member of. Oscar de LA Hoya personal hose, a win against Oscar vowed us and amateurs break all these cards down and have some fun. Maybe we'll give you some predictions, and what would be maybe a preview to the bench show 'cause you guys like to make money, right? We like to make money. That's what we do. So the start this show, man. Well, where do we start on top of the list? We obviously have showtimes card with Clarisa shields versus Kristina Hamm. It's going to be ten rounds for IBM WB, a WBZ WBO woman's mid away undisputed unification. I'm gonna just take shots at the three of you. Mike run in con- not here right now. But I think he used that analogy earlier like how the women got it. Right. How was it to do? Women are able to unify before the men, and it's like, bro. Stop it. Like come on its in house like in-house Crawford unified and became undisputed because it was in house when it's easy. It's easy. And I don't mean that in a disrespectful way. I mean that in a sense that when fights are easy to put together. The we put together for the women they need this. Yes. We haven't seen an undisputed heavyweight in a long time. But for women this is like moving the needle this is bringing awareness to the to the to the sport for them. Quick. Even our in house doesn't mean they're necessarily easy to make the conquer broke having that may but wanted and another fight that I had a right on top of my head that are forgetting about right now all year. My guy Crawford wanted many pack. Yo damn that didn't happen. Either. Aerospace pets, many Pecci out damn that's not having in house. People got to actually agreed to fight each other. Yeah. But in houses a lot easier to make it's just that simple. It's a lot easier to make what I'll definitely say. It is with that statement, you know, of the women showing what the men, you know, should be doing. It's just a simple fact that if there is some type of negotiations problems, no problems, very simple. They did it, and that's the whole constantly came to terms. And sure I agree that the women division the women in boxing has never been glamorized. So for this is kinda more like they need to do this. Why wouldn't they do this? They need to. To have some sort of a Super Bowl and undisputed fight to bring some attention. So as much as we can also give him credit. I get we can bash them. But I'm just happy as happening as a fight fan. I can appreciate what this means for boxing in women boxing. I'm not bashing. I just don't want the comparison. Like stop saying, oh, they did with the men couldn't do. No, it's harder. Does less women boxers less women boxer promoters, and less money less people to just negotiate with the so many more boxes on the male side is difficult. I think it's also less money involved. I think that if this was like a tremendous humongous money-making fight, we could probably see difference. So maybe one day the women divisions to the point like that. But don't have the problems that the men. This was Ronda Rousey, if she had success in her fight didn't lose that girl Nunez ended up coming to boxing because she dealt with the by a boxing trainer that would be a super fight. You know, that would be where it's like, whoa. It's gonna it's it's hard to make its rousing, but bro in-house to people signed to the same promoter. We know it's going to happen. I definitely agree with you in the sense of ways to make this fight. But definitely have to tip their hats off because they didn't have to sign. These feisty didn't grow while is on too much everything right going to try to use many bag gal and Terence Crawford to they got hell options. You know what? I mean dudes that grace the pound for pound list to have been prospects of the year to do just on the tip of every writers tongue. He wants to compare that to LaRussa shields in and Kristina Hamm got options like like hamburgers say, you know, what I don't want to unify with Clarisa. So I'm going to go fight Earl Spencer. No. Christina hammock can't turn around and fight. But Daya Crawford. Right. It's not gonna happen. So like, that's why this is happening because they have nowhere else to go. Like, do you think all of a sudden release your Napoleon is a bigger name than hammer? And and shields. No. That's what she's not in this fight. Fight on Roy Jones junior. You have see fight passed the other day two days ago. So shots are going this. I was just murdering my, but I guess he's dead. No harmful. He just over there. Man. This is. Yeah. Yeah. Break narrow quitting Bank. Hammer has a tremendous job. She has a nice pie, selection, and she has good boxing technique. And by she has good ring. I q and watch the fight against, Tori. Nelson. Coming opponent wick with shields. We've seen that she had a good guessing too. So going into the fight. I think she's going to try to work behind job. And it's going to be on her if she's able to keep Christmas pressure offer. And of course, last by I could see more boxing. I not just going out there. Trying to get the big knockout. She was working on a job. And I think that's directly tied to the the acquisition of John rejection. So I pay it's going to be a damn good boxing match in it's going to be a chestnut soup. But I I'm going with the home team Shiels all the way one thing. I I would say I went to the the media luncheon the other day. And shot up to them the extra treated immediate very well. But John diva Jackson was there Clarisa was their whole squad. Tom laughlin? And when I was asking Clarisa in John D definitely emphasized that. This was an extremely tough training camp. We've heard many times that clear Spar men. It was verified as she was sparring men in this fight. She was feeling very confident in this training camp. She came out saying, this is the the most intense you strong. She really put a lot of work in and seeing the fact that they really treated us like a big super fight rightfully so for women and boxing. They did all access, and you guys can see the two party on YouTube serious, and she emphasizes that she don't have one bag of chips of Doritos and training camp. That's it like this one. So I saw a different side of these two women fighters like a hammer I saw running in the snow these girls. Really look like they ready to fight. Now. There's always this looming thing about women boxing. Traditionally don't see knockouts. But I think that they're gonna at least temp to make the knockouts if they don't happen to really gonna give it all out in I'm going to favor Clarisa to simply because of the fact that I'm just going after gresh that she's going to bring this fight. And I know that Amer has probably the best jab in that division. Maybe argue Clarisa, but if she can get past hammers job, I think she was going to bring a lot of pain in the inside if hammer can keep she was from a distance concede. It's just being a big boxing exhibition. And so I'm gonna go with shields because I eventually gonna get past that job. And I want to give him a big shot onto Showtime knows during the all access to two part and the the little sit down with. I don't forget his name. But that was tremendous also really pushing the women's. Boxing on the forefront and marketing in the right way. Not we're I also just want to say, I think a lot of people also going to bring up the fact that the smaller girl Hannah Gabriel's dropped Clarisa shield. So this is also going to show that maybe closures got hit with a good shot or there is some defensive flaws with her fighting style. So this I think this Faisal answer a lot of questions because I think hammer Dettori Nelson better than Clarisa did. And we all know style makes fight. So in this case is going to be interesting. I just don't think hammer has that type of power though, an uncle went down. But we watch the Tory Nelson fight on film study Tuesday. And I was impressed. Thoroughly would her box. But I am really Sinoe power. She landed a lot of shots and Nelson never stopped coming FU. I mean with that being said, we're definitely gonna see who hits harder. We've definitely see that. There's really not this overwhelming height difference between the two their shoulders definitely side by side hammered slight little taller. But from that point, I'll be there to fight. Okay. Big, man. Are you scared to pick? Oh. Clarisa is the hometown fighter. She's. She's done with hammers done in less time. But hammer can box and she boxes. Well, she boxes tall without keeping a chin out there. She she she shoes some good shots on the inside. I'm interested in this fight. You know, wanna see what's what's going to happen? I'll pick Lorenzo by decision. Obviously. The thing. We gotta Jemaine Franklin Booker. Jimmy, Franklin Salita, right? Yes. Have you seen? Seen what they showed on Showtime. They did a feature on him. Yes. Yes. That was pretty good though. Those. You know? What's funny? No, let's not gloss over. I wanted to actually do a show on it. Because. I think in the production thumbs down I was like damn. I wanted to talk about this. 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Offer ends four thirty nineteen morning show introduced the world to this new heavyweight and stuff and he's talking cash it right? But he'll he'll got that body. I wanna see him Saturday with no shirt off. Because I swore I seen a gut and he's like talking like he worked so hard. I don't know. I'm not saying either from a like a nitpicking point. I'm I'm looking for inspiration like damn champ. Could you be great with a stomach because I want to be great with stomach? I mean we've seen with. With so far, Adam Kolonaki. He's he's doing. He got big baby. Miller you got. Facing his Aston. You can't really say be Miller, even though he's bigger. He's not like the stomach, Gary. Oh, not key. Who's kinda like, you know, a bigger guy any down re release too. But he's trimming down. Also, man, he's he's back pretty soon. Tune and sleet also told me that Miller is at the smallest is he's ever been so far in training camp. So morning don't sleep on Milliman. He coming for AJ head. Sarah. No, it's all good. I I agree whichever way we talking about that. I just wanna make sure that your Franklin. There's also another heavyweight it's also going to be on their Oto Wallin Swedish fighter wins. No losses. Thirteen by stoppage. And I think he's ranked in the top ten within the one of the sanction of bodies. So I've never actually got a champion see him. He's twenty eight and we'll be the first time. So this is definitely going to be something where I'm really interested because all these heavyweights Naven brought a vintage heavyweight back brought Mr. Samuel Peters, WBZ champions who neck. He will be on the undercard at the age of thirty eight the Nigerian nightmare we'll be back on this card. And I'm why beyond what you're you know, why 'cause they'd be made Franklin or walling on they need to feed them. Like come on, man. I gotta understand how this works. Ron if you turn into a fight. We'll be going to put you in there with bug Crawford. Or we going, you know, warm you up hundred. Build your confidence. Man, you start beating old legends like Samuel Peters. You start believing your own hype? Absolutely. I'm gonna be honest. I can't tell you the last time I seen San repeaters minus. So it's like back in the days who neck moment wanted Klitschko. At least, you know, the last Inigo was power. He catch you out. He dropped the Vladimir three Charles, right? Like a war. I mean, I'm just trying to remember what happened to his career. Like, I need to go back Lewis. Are you making money are eating you start getting outta trainload? I'm just like what trae hard like he was always short fat out of a heavyweight. They had a big punch, and then he got and then he wanna title oh shit. He wanted. The what was the he's like. Toby coma. Everyone knows when he went to end any for something. Like, I'm the WBZ. Say everybody knows that clip. He's fought for tons of different times of both declared goes he's one of the few. You fall all of actually I think he stopped all of. He stopped massive. And then that's how we got the Klitschko fight. Then you lost Eddie chambers. Only. Trick. But this guy, man. Zilly's Zang still has visa issues, man. He has a son imagine yet. Now, the the. Now, I already still over there. He said James Toney happened the same refuse for James Toney. He did. Film study e beat James Toney twice. Man, the journey could bucks. I'm looking back right now he lost a pool of in two thousand sixteen got stopped by. Yeah. You're right. We're going to move on. Just used them natural. You're right. Consume me. I was like, whoa. Over in Bulgaria. And then he hid hidden behind the shit. We a title fight Elena grander versus Brinda, Karen Caravaggio and a ten round vacant IBM women featherweight title fight. I just feel like that since. Title fight. We should definitely mention it. And give those women. They're just do. Because those before we move on for. Guys. Interim I research came from all this all these fights came from ESPN. Okay. So you're the for featherweight title at one twenty six believe right for the way, it is one twenty six. Yeah. ESPN card. No that's timer. Who is it? Elena grad near versus doesn't interim. I'm looking right at it. Okay. Worry raking. So it was a good interim. I don't know, man. The second built. Vacant ignore me. All right. This. Not title. It isn't it says interim boxer right here. You said vacant about the same thing. I said it I need to correct myself. I own to. A low tech low tech. What's his name? Like, it's a little nickname much Inca. I tech high tech. I said, oh, my better which. They say in Chad, Tom Little's, fighting's Delile bang. Get the fuck out here. No to London that I'm checking I'm checking right now. Little scheduled defiance on little got knocked out. His last thing for the new year. But Philly Vilma Trinka with facing Anthony crawl in a twelve around for a Machiko WBA WBO title. Bob Arum, hasn't things to say about this is that. Really think it was worth put known. He was really kind of agitated that that they had to guess overbid that much Chico's on paper like in my one point two. But he's he's like guaranteed like pre something and getting thousands. So because for them, which they are over again on paper a lot of money. But yeah, I don't really see much resistance coming from Anthony Crosland. He he lost twice to Hoy Korea Llaneras, and I really think that much Inca was gonna stop them. I just don't know win. But you know, I think he's going definitely gonna go to distant. I think he's too many angle to punch punches too much be into much just better overall boxing. He's gonna come from Vasily, and it's like. The deafness of good safe. Stay ready. Stay busy kind of fight for him for this particular fight. If you're just like Aloma Ching-Kuo fanning zoom in here, and you really don't know the history of this. I know Loma chanko you was originally sub to fight Richard Komai for a unification fight. They had like a mandatory situation where Croly was next in line. Obviously when you get unification's while they're both each tend to Trump the mandatory in this case Richard coma was injured. So now they had to go with crawler on the fight will be on ESPN. Plus. So at this point like Mike said loss of Horry Lenore is twice who Changle was beaten. And at this point. I think for this particular a lot of people is looked at women Ching-Kuo and seen him to be this guy who's tend to slow down a little bit from the quote, unquote. Vintage Loma chanko where he was making everybody. Stop by them quitting in the corner. To now having some adversity being dropped in a fight going to distance with draws a someone who devante taint Davis his stops. And been rivals wanna fight with each other. So Anthony crow is a person where I think that he needs impressive performance, a stoppage statement just to kinda shut a lot of the critics because the only good as you're not last fight. But maybe last two fights. And there was a lot of holes that people felt in those to fight. So this is a fight where he just has to look like Loma chanko high tech move around make him quit drop them, whatever it takes. So that he can proclaim the be pound for pound fighter. Many. Writers put other than that. I think if he struggles crawler he's gonna be dropping on that list. And I think rightfully so. So I pick Loma chanko. Stoppage. I'm flip the coin landed on heads stoppage. But. Yeah. That's my pip. What do you think? Nece? I'm not watching. You know, man. This is like terrible the fucking already right now man or a broadcast on YouTube from from this Enron. No camera on these guys can see what you gotta talking about Nestle Ritter. Fucking quiet camera was. Okay. Yeah. Man. I mean you talking about shit. Ain't nobody watch right on 'em. Sorry. You're trying to be politically. Correct. Ain't nobody. Out. Man is a plus a minus six thousand bro. I got Tom six. What a silly. My this numbers what should Krizan? She as decision. I'm would. I think the for the show, but. I'm gonna keep my mouth shut now. ESPN plus though, so is that signifies that it's a fight that they don't care about. So it goes to the platform. Remember, they got more money on ESPN. So they gotta give my men and dollars would Bob's it. All. Five one time a year only as being plus, oh, maybe this one time. But you we can move on a Birtles remember versus well right now. Tummy Karpinski kit around like heavyweight, so apparently good Birtles going go up in the water at once any fire. We gotta do fuck in. A bench show tomorrow. My god. Deputy. I know you playing devil's advocate can see by everyone know Corp Pence. He's been a dude that it's been stopped by every probably named if she heard of in a division. That's great. For way, go favorite Monday through Thursday. From me. I'm I'm not going to Marlin. Thanks to to throw it out. I'll be around for the begging show if you wanna not that before you go to gym or. I said we do before the gym Dan among fan. I'm not going to tell you you can put your gym back to twelve or one. We can do it. Right, right. After the morning show. We will talk about I got zero winning. I'm just confused on what the fuck is don't career because you moving up. He's still got his boat. Didn't have a picture with Kevin Smith and any Hearn and Bob Arum. So, you know, and Billie. Joe Sanders is I don't for the bell and going to be here and then find him ending psych. He's like what? Yeah. Desert OSHA when this fight, man. And if he if he doesn't I don't know Tommy Cup talking like that you bunch of bummed. He's been stopped by everybody. Man. Who did any stop though, who did any stop who he upset who he upset who he may a TB family family member a thousand Dawson, right? Someone in our family one twenty five thousand dollars. We were the twenty thousand wins. It was Chad Dawson to do is not supposed to be Chad Benson. Supposed to be Ramirez guesswork. Remember, as you know, what show man? Decision is my pick. How many years ago remembers Bobby decision is my pick man if you want if you want more details on car pencil, you know, what if I'm who? Already this cafe. Okay. Mic. Everardo versus Arnold Barboza. Doing your. Top prospect. I believe. He would I think not I think here the top prospect Mike is going to be fair to them as I'm saying let me are not undefeated so much. I looked at the Mike thing like might get upset on no power it. Oh, man, Mike. It's just like that Brandon Rios getting face. This could be on some was Humberto serfs who kind of soon. Beat Mike re Danis crazy beat might Reid. Oh, yeah. Didn't drop Mike Reid. Get the pop. I got seven I'm going with. I'm going with damn, bro. Sub Arado man. He might have a Soto moment, bro. Zo y'all two hundred and thirty five rounds box roars. Little run. But I mean, they not versus the names. You wanna see an he's he's in wars with them do to you know, if if Arnold is any good he gives this win. I don't know that he can't. I mean, look it's been a long time since he's loss, and he's only loss to elite level fighters once upon a time when he did fight Rio's elite level one definitely Napa know. It's love your car month and Napa and to show your car. The love get a Napa bucket for two ninety nine and save twenty percent on almost everything you can fit inside car wash car wax and tire shy. So save some cash and look good doing it by getting twenty percent with the Napa bucket while parts helpful people. That's Napa know how. No participating all parts stores. Exclusions apply. Minimum three items may not be combined. With other offers offer ends four thirty nineteen. It's Jamie, progressive's number one number two employee. Leave a message at the hey, Jamie. It's me, Jamie. This is your daily pep talk. I know it's been rough going ever since people found out about your Capella group mad harmony, but you will bounce back. I mean, you're the guy always helping people find coverage options with the name your price tool. It should be you giving me the pep talk. Now get out there, hit that high note, and take mad harmony all the way to nationals this year. Sorry pitchy. Progressive casualty insurance company and affiliates. Price and coverage match limited by state law. Le- rules line elite. You know, he didn't really lose anybody else. Those are the name. So I'm gonna give out of the benefit of the Dow man, I don't know Barbosa. Or it is by bozo. And last week. We just seem one of those top rank top prospects get upset in the machine. So and we've seen thanks to this again NASCAR, very guy. Cafe I'm just looking with a guy named did a the one everybody's money. A couple of weeks back to this day. Bookie mistake. I don't know. I would probably would be that was a buggy mistake. Somebody had to recognize it and carefree definitely recognized for be a big up to him yet Rangel here. I mean, this is definitely one of those like prospect versus a veteran very seasoned veteran. And it's just seeing so many wars is he shot warn or is this is pressure. His relentless just gonna be too much for the you know, the up and comer like we just saw Luis Collazo you just fought someone I think two ago where like people expect him to win you came into school. This guy David Evans school want to lewd Bill, the top top prospects. And we all know at this point record of twenty wins and only seven Cao's and a lot of his Cao's was in the beginning of his career versus the later half is just one of those things where he's going to have to box d I don't really seem stop in might in Mike's gone after just Mike. Mike. The one thing and his record, man. Those at the time Brandon Rios was that dude at that time losing to like who is it. You said Marquez. He's also lost the Marquez. He lost. No bom. I mean, that's solid, man. Roussin with killing people, man. So like this. This is going to be interesting fight, man. And if Arnold can be Mike Alvarado always up says Moore, I'm telling you never we give somebody going to get upset just fucking law. The Mitchell guest try to mention we see Magaya Helms go with a guy named Paul Buller who was top prospect over England got in the ring with a journeyman crews away got the knocked out. So a mistakes happen come on the. Ten years ago shit. Number. I just want to highlight something I've never seen this before. When you go to box wreck, and you look at the vents on the ESPN card. They are advertising here. Click here to start your free trial ESPN pleasant watch Loma Changle versus Cruella interesting. You're going gonna be a lot more as on that damn site. Will year? I mean, you gotta pay gotta pay the bills somehow. But we had a move onto with only of car for reputa- vendor. Best Putin versus afraid of Blanco. I'm no best people in another one of those top top become when I am prospects. Toppling has so I haven't seen a fight chet-. So I'm kind of interested because he is what the weight. So it does not give me a gauge of how good he is. I think he has a little bit of pop too. Eisai fa me your I'm picking pick last night. No, you leave. We can move on. What's the next one? Oh, fuck spores one borough. Yo. Cardis fire. Baby this shit right here. The prospect Laurie here, Matt even a good fuck and main event to me. No. But there's some good Feis on here. But it's just the fact that if you're just itching to learn about some of these new guys man when is this on Saturday, all three therapy alone. Three. PBC am fucking design. Get some TV. Got TV time last time he was and he was at the bottom of the list. I haven't seen his name. I'll put him on there. But we can start from the top Caleb. True experts. Peter quilting to around I'll be of middleweight eliminator. Okay. I didn't read this shit. I was copy and paste. Kella plant the IBM champion. So hopefully, I'll prayers and closest to him hopefully, everything is going to go with him. But yet Peter quoting killer ex I am going lean women them to break down. I was picking tracks. I was. Can I can I'm fucking build up to pick it away. I'm big. You gave it away on another show. You told me this. One hundred hundred listen right now don't mean is the same on this last time. And if you are listening right now, go Smith at them with the billing show if you wanna go once farther and check out some boxing this weekend on zone. Check out the Lincoln are description box. Go into sign up for your first, my free and nineteen thousand nine months after that. But back to the show macula treks last took jammed James Gail. I know it was just a worn out general Gail, but both fights were pretty pretty close. And thank you, maybe get denied imbo fights. And he came back somebody on a Minneapolis car that didn't get televised. But I think he's been at the division longer has maybe has a little bit more pop computer, Colin we'll see, but I'm leaning towards Caleb true in his hometown, Minneapolis. The hometown fight, isn't it? Why could the promotion be against Quinn? Seaman? I definitely know that I think it's going to be driven down with this. I wanted to comment on one thing, and I'll piggyback a little bit of what Mike sane about this and being Manipur, Minneapolis. This is just a really interesting thing that they're having a ton of fights over there like at feel like every other month. There's a fight over there. And the building of a whole bunch of stuff. They did a little countdown also on this for f- as one they did a count on. Loma chanko fight the all access on women's by. This is actually that they're doing all these type of things because for a lot of people who don't follow Peter colon wouldn't know that he's back for he's with Sosa. He's with big baby. Millage trainer Chris. Colbert trainer. And he's over here training in New York opposed to being Virgil hunter so shot out to them for taking time and building these type of fights. But I think I'm gonna go with Peter Colin on this, man. I just think that. Scene. Peter his previous kinda fights in one sixties always made his claim that you know, he had weight issues or you didn't feel comfortable there. You know, he missed weight before one in this title shots and definitely had some layoffs and some complications. But at one sixty he seems very happy seems more focus a lot of the craziness that seem to happen is life is behind him. I think that he understands it at this part of his career that you can't mess around. So I think he's took that that break, relax. And I was ready to go anything. He looked healthy when I saw him in the gym. So I'm gonna go with Peter quoting based on. I'm I wasn't to a purse full Peter corden last by with Jalen Lou. Yeah. Well, I'm going with Peter coiling. They're both. It's it's equally. Equally matched up. Believe Cullin is the favourite and should be the favorite, but they're equally matched up. I mean the same age. Does Peter have he has a significantly less amount around box. But that's because he has a higher knockout percentage. He's only been in this too unanimous decision. Kind of. Stretch before. But it was higher level position. It was Winky ri-, you know that. Real quick. Okay. True. Ex only losses are to believe. Jemaine Taylor is prime draw. Okay. Okay. Even better on like shit. He dimmer got a draw with Japan and tell us oh death evening. Fucking better for him in a James gale, which again is a fucking question withdrawal. And there's more. You're looking at his losses and the death. Yeah. But look at some of his wins. Right. So. Do let's go into tracks. Right. So start on the NRA, obviously. I mean, what is this is kind of like a Huat works who kind of fight right to access. Definitely like a a busy fighter. If you think it falls into that. Then you gotta give true X better. A better shot at winning. I think he lets his hands. Go more than Quilon. I think cooling right now is still in a. Stage ways trying to find himself. You know, he was a puncher. And we're not seeing that like I said he's been in this to unanimous decision stretch before. But it was Winky ri- and Hassan Dom, you know, these two guys is like Jalen love and nothing does Shawn something, you know. I don't know. He's going to have to step up to the play. But I wanted to talk about some of the winds that to true act- actually did get so not Chianti leather Leatherwood, you know, which good to hear that. He got he stopped him. Derek NS the brother of Gironde is it went a U D. All right. And you know, that's. You know, what there again is's ac- Duran? Wow. You know, a lot of people know him. I mean Durant four years ago was he in shape was he in his prime and tracks got a decision draw. You know, you gotta draw. Donovan George I'm impressed that he knocked out. Donovan George George was a tough to fighter. Impressively knocked out Michael Walker. Another tough little journeyman. You know, but he's got a draw some do named Phil Williams of never heard of. But antwon echoes another dude another you d so I'm just saying if he can even pull it off is going to be by decision. But he just hasn't beat that level of Peter Quillet outside of James gale outside of that one time. So I gotta believe the coolant has been here longer, and he will be here again, and I'm gonna pick coiling. So. True. Onto the Komen event say, I'll take Sergei chango, you know, don't know much Jacko Klay other than when he full Dmitri, Sandra, very bad, boring corny fight. So hopefully, chanko make look better. He fought select also to. Amateur background. I think he was like at the Olympics or had some Olympic trials. So, but that's about it. I think Sergei during chanko put a hell of a great fight with Danny Jacobs. I even a lot of people felt some type of way of gained Jacob should have got like a draw or something with that. So surrogate trained by Andre rosier the same trainer as Danny Jacobs. I think surrogate is going to win man thirty the probably gonna win but won't be Jack golden there in. For thirty hand a little bit in an fighter out of. He's on primetime American television. If only to be said about them, maybe to make a nine for so true. Someone say coca coal K can't even made draw wobbly is that true. I know that not impressed with the coq lay wind from undrawn. I can't remember all the details. What else say is that the auntie was right? When he said in an interview that sometimes the loser. Sometimes it's better for you to lose. You'll get more opportunities. Because look look at coke laymen. He just keeps getting opportunity now he's being brought to the US for some US TV time only on the card is Chris Cobra taking on Mario be Reno's never heard of Berea knows. But I know that when I check the betting line, Chris is huge favorite. But. But damn and like, I say Chris Culver is finding dues with light tons of fucking winds. Every time. Tended. Oh, and he's finding out his twenty nine eight into now record of eight losses, but for do on his eleven fight, and he's finding guy with that many fights. And that many damn wins early. Chris Cobra fucking light top prospect prospect or guy that has a lot of. Were winning records. This guy is a common opponent. That's why. No, I knew this face. Scott quick just for this guy. Out. October twentieth. Two thousand eighteen fresh. To death. No, no, you don't let the barrel. But he's still young. There's something to be said about kid who still young still hasn't necessarily develop their manpower. Yes. So be patient with krizner. I think later on when you start moving forward and get older. Drink. I got a son in because this do for Orlando, Laura. This like, whoa. Can Eric's in lube. I mean Hoy lower than on a low. Okay. I'm thinking or Landau law. Right. Who would lower fight he fought Jose raum. Just got knocked out Murata to model like a draw Aroha. 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