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"henning jacobson" Discussed on The Experiment
"Wants got call from swedish public radio. Did you know there was such a thing. I didn't being the current pastor of a church that was founded by an antibac- ser is a bit of an odd thing for pastor. Lucianne am i saying that. Right by the way lucianne cool. It's german because history. People call the church with certain expectations called me thinking that ours was like a vac anti vaccine church or something like that and i'm like sorry man. I have to disappoint you. Lake we had a flu shot at the soup kitchen at our church just the other day story of the haning. Jacobson's case has this weird quality about it where people keep reaching back to try and find some kind of meaning from the life of this. One antibac- pastor so if we were going to do the movie in your head of how life went. How does it start. Let's see with the little knowledge i have. I have to figure out a movie. The movie would have to start in sweden and movie with start and headings boyhood nineteenth century rural sweden. A town called ila stop. Which is a remote community settled near big blue lake surrounded by rolling plains if you wanted to focus the movie on what he is most famous or infamous for which is the supreme court case than a hollywood movie would probably start with him sweating and pain. Having his first bad experience of the vaccine henning i vaccinated in sweden when he was six years old and then the carries that memory into his later life and then i imagined him coming to this country wide eyed thirteen years old and sort of being struck by the diversity of america. Then he ends up going to college and seminary. All i know about him is from the few records. We have here at church. It's really not much to go on. You know you should really talk to historian. Can you introduce yourself. Sure michael rich. I'm chair of the history department at brandeis university. And i'm the author of pox and american history professor will reach has his own version of the henning. Jacobson biopic i would open with him going down to the docks boston. A grown henning jacobson would take frequent trips from his home in cambridge down to the city of boston. Waiting as immigrant ships came into the harbor media and the swedish immigrants who came off the ships and finding jobs and housing for them and basically be kind of working class minister. He worked on building this community of people from scratch gathering people together. Pastor lucianne calls him a sort of community organizer. He founded a church an emigrant church here. Among people who were for the most part poor laborers came to this country not with a lot of money seeking economic opportunity. Nineteen hundred one. There's a smallpox outbreak in the northeast of this country. Smallpox was one of the most deadly diseases the world had ever seen at that point it would result in fevers and oozing sores that would sometimes cover people's entire face and body. It was the same disease that european settlers brought to north america in the seventeenth century when it killed native american populations and many many people two hundred years later. There were still outbreaks in major. Us cities and in one thousand nine hundred cambridge was in the middle of one of those outbreaks was part of this wave of epidemics across the nation so the city of cambridge decided to make vaccination mandatory. They're very diligent about they go door to door. Had i guess jacobson the sufficiently prominent because of his roles of minister in the community that the chairman of the local board of health came to his door and knocked on his door and offered sliced asked slash demanded that he be vaccinated and jacobson refused. He refuses because he believed that it was his right to refuse vaccination. He's like nobody can tell me what to put on my body..
"henning jacobson" Discussed on The Experiment
"Wnyc studios is supported by forward waiting months for a ten minute. Doctor's appointment healthcare is backwards. Luckily forward is here to clear things up with on demand access to great care backed by the latest tech and top-rated doctors learn more at go forward dot com. That's go forward dot com listener supported w nyc studios. Hello this is robin. Hi is a swedish lutheran church in cambridge. We haven't done that in a very long time. But yeah this is. I'm the pastor of faith lutheran church. How can i help you. Oh okay thank you. I'm working on a story about pastor. Henning jacobson i'm sure. This is about vaccination. Yes awhile ago producer gabrielle. Burr bay cold called a church in cambridge massachusetts in search of the origin. Story of an argument. We're all having right now. President joe biden just announced that two thirds of american workers are going to be required.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts
"And this the vaccine itself the end product of medicines long match with measles role as a historian of medicine to ask you at the top. Ten breeders tits of medicine are at least nine of the would be all these vaccines medical historian. Howard markel says. There's a long history of vaccine resistance in the united states and turning the tide has been made harder. Due to another particularly american trait the local control of public health in eighteen ninety two there was another cholera pandemic. That was an towards new york and president. Harrison closed the court but he could only add to the days of quarantine that the state would porn gene those ships because that was the new york state control or tuesday so that led to what was called the national corn connective of 1893 which the president in a contagious prices could not subtract from. What the state or the logo city did but it could add to that later on there was the nineteen forty four public health. Act that gave the president broad powers in case of a contagious crisis. Even a supreme court president jacob zuma versus state of It's nine hundred five. Henning jacobson was a pastor in kingsbridge. he did not wanna take a mandatory smallpox vaccine. They were generally made those vaccines by city or state health departments. They were pretty safe. But this is nineteen five nights. State supreme court sibley was seventy two voted. No you don't have the right to opt out of something like this. Because we're talking about a community acquired infections. And so there's even the united states supreme court precedent for this plenty of local and state precedents. And of course there were vaccine mandates. Most of the vaccine's up until relatively recently to children as a pediatrician there was Battery of vaccines. I gave to newborns to fifteen month old too know and so on and they had a little If you will pass for the cardboard piece of paper that the pediatrician would sign his or her their name and the date and the vaccine and that child or really their mom. Sometimes they're dead had to take that little cardboard document when they started kindergarten matter the city of baltimore the mid eighties city detroit. You had to have that. But as the eighties preceded. There are more and more exemptions and various state governments for bic scenes to opt out not just religion but philosophical reasons that kind of exemption lead to for example. The outbreak of measles in disneyland. Two thousand fourteen because less than half the kids in orange county california or vaccine against measles. So i find this antipathy to Wonderfully safe and effective preventive with people. Saying it's my liberty it's my rights. People say just get sick with up. I'll come out the other end but we're living in twenty twenty one not nineteen twenty one. We have all these tools but digitals and preventive. Why would you want to get sick with this. And because it's russian roulette kind of disease. I can't tell if your covert infection you foggy for the next several months or mike ovid is gonna land meal. Icu the most predictable thing about. Covert nineteen is its unpredictability so to me. it's all about. I mean this is my training up pediatrician. it's all about prevention. I can't understand because of my training in work why we would not take care of this as if it were a threat which is what it is a threat to the health of our nation. It's nothing less. It's howard markel director of the center for the history of medicine at the university of michigan. His new book coming out next week is called the secret of life. Rosalind franklin james watson francis crick and the discovery of dna's double helix. So the big question for today is what is the place where smart public health decisions the exercise of federal power and protecting civil liberties all meet well helping us to navigate that complexity is anita faira. Honey she's a professor of law and philosophy at duke university also co editor in chief and co founder the journal of law and the biosciences and she joins us from durham north carolina. Professor farah honey. Welcome back to one point. Thank you pleasure to be here. Will you heard howard there. Talk about what he sees as a long legal history justifying president biden's new vaccine mandate for american employees Do you do you agree with him that there is ample proof that this is illegal exercise of federal power. Well that's the important part our federal there right. So there's certainly ample precedents for the exercise of state and localities implementing vacc- mandates. In fact you know we have. We have plenty of them at the state and local levels for childhood. Vaccinations and for other purposes. But there is no precedent on point. That i'm aware of a federal mandate nor any precedent for The legal right of the federal government to reach into every state and to require citizens of those states to become vaccinated. I wish there were. I think it would be great in some ways I mean not really because it creates a lot of complications. Especially if there's some policy. I don't like being handed down at the federal level in this instance. I wish it were true that we could somehow force everybody to get vaccinated but that's not going to get us out of the pandemic and that's not the right answer here So so why is it not true. Tell me a little bit more about that. Because i was thinking about specifically in the realm of a health care decisions that americans make you know the this is not a parallel example but I was thinking about the affordable care. Act right. I mean that is a federal law but it's exercise through commerce right because it has to do with health insurance which the federal government can regulate commerce here and this is a mandate. That's not going through congress. It's going through osha right right so you know it it it. It's absolutely true that the federal government has power and it has power That it can exercise in the states through..
"henning jacobson" Discussed on KFI AM 640
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I said, Oh, that's so keep yapping, man Watch. You know the thing Donald Trump is already claiming that the recall here in California is rigged. He opened his presidency by falsely claiming massive voter fraud in California. Now he's back on the subject. He told Newsmax this week that the election to recall Newsom is probably rigged. Mhm. Yeah. Okay. Uh, I don't even know where to go with this. How do you say so? If it's Tuesday, it turns out that the current polls are correct, and they show that Gavin Newsom is not recalled. Then this is the thing that now is everything. Everything is now fixed. Yes, If it doesn't come out the way you want it to, it's rigged. It's wrong. It's fraudulent. Well, even Tommy Lauren said the same thing that the only mouth only fraud could give Gavin Newsom a win. Now it's very popular to claim election fraud. We saw how popular it was and how people clung onto that after the president said that the presidential election was rigged. Well, remember one of the things that we saw a couple of weeks ago as this post out of torrents where police had pulled over a guy he had drugs and guns and hundreds of mail in ballots about you know, in the back of the car. If somebody would have rob a mailbox today, they would probably find filled out ballots, wouldn't they? I mean, it's a matter of timing. It's not that this this moron drug, you know, knocked out, kid guy. Whatever. He wasn't trying to steal an election. He probably had no idea what the what? Why There were so many things in the mail that looked exactly the look alike. It's frustrating to see this. I'm not saying it couldn't happen. Of course it could. But you imagine the amount of Just the sheer number of people that it would take to hide this type of a thing and to keep it out of the press. People aren't good at keeping secrets. Not today. Not in this day and age. They're not good at keeping secrets. Republican leaders blasting President Biden's new Corona vaccine mandates for businesses and federal workers could affect over 100 million people. They say that they're unconstitutional that they are infringing on personal liberties. And they will sue. It looks like Republican governors from Texas, Missouri, Georgia have threatened to fight back. Texas governor Greg Abbott, calling the mandates an assault on private businesses. And Joe Biden said, have at it. Come at me with your lawsuit. Hey, one of the things if you were looking to kill some time this weekend is you read a Supreme Court decision. Jacobson vs Massachusetts. Back in 19 Oh, five. It deals specifically with vaccine requirements. Henning Jacobson was a 50 year old minister. And he had suffered a bad reaction to a vaccine as an infant and had an angry rash as a result of it, because back in 19 Oh, five. All rashes were angry. Um, he became an American citizen. He was serving as a pastor of a church in Massachusetts. So the Cambridge Board of Health Care in Massachusetts decided that all adults had to be vaccinated for smallpox. He said. Absolutely not. That would be unconstitutional. And it was he was challenging the $5 find that would come as a result of him not getting vaccinated, and it made its way all the way to the Supreme Court. But they ruled 72. That one man's liberty cannot deprive his neighbors of their own liberty in this case by allowing the spread of disease, so this these types of cases have been Thought before all the way to the level of the Supreme Court. I'm not sure if the specifics are the same because at that time the smallpox vaccine had been around for some time now. Granted, science was not then what it is now. But that had been used multiple times, and they knew that the smallpox vaccine was effective. The thing now is there is an argument that this these covid vaccines are so new. We don't know what the long term effects could be so that that could play into legal challenge to whatever the president was talking about yesterday, and it could play into a decision from the Supreme Court if it ever made it that far. It looks like they are going to be putting up fence around the capital again. We'll talk about why When we come back. I also have a story about zebras in D. C. I love that idea. Actual zebras. In D. C. It's wonderful channel will continue a swamp Watch Amy King.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on News Talk 1130 WISN
"Able to design their lives in a way that they can determine their own futures. We are a stronger democracy, and we are a stronger nation. When people are able to make a choice. This Without government interference. For themselves in terms of their well being and the well being of their family in consultation with whomever they may choose. We are stronger society. Irony is the federal government making an unconstitutional public health order. On the exact same day, the federal government sued the state of Texas, claiming that it had enacted an unconstitutional public health law. Irony is an entire political movement whose slogan is my body, My choice, applauding President Biden for issuing a new rule that requires nearly a third of the U. S population to get a covid 19 vaccine. Or face mandatory screenings now. Almost immediately after President Biden made that announcement last evening, more than a dozen states as well as the Republican National Committee announced plans to sue the Biden administration. Over this mandate, and on ironically They're almost certain to win. Biden's mandate is plainly unlawful and plainly unconstitutional because it amounts to an arbitrary and capricious application of the Labor Department's rulemaking power. Now popular belief indicates that government mandates for vaccines have been constitutional. Ever since the United States Supreme Court way back in 19 Oh, five upheld one in the landmark decision. Jacobson v. Massachusetts. However, the Biden administration clearly does not believe that the authority to mandate vaccines extends to the federal government. If it did, he would have simply ordered a vaccine mandate, ordering every single American who's eligible to get the vaccine to get the vaccine. He didn't do so. Almost as significantly, there has not yet been a single state, not California. Not Oregon, not New York, not Illinois, Not any state. Even with the most liberal of governors who has mandated a vaccine. This is significant because it indicates that none of these leaders believe that the government has the power to mandate vaccines. Now the fact that none of them had is very, very telling, especially Biden because it would seem on its face that Jacobson gives governments the authority to impose vaccine mandates. In Jacobson, the plaintiff man by the name of Henning Jacobson, an immigrant refused to comply with a smallpox vaccine mandate that the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Had set up because quote he had been caused great and extreme suffering for a long period by a disease produced by vaccination. When he was a child in his native country. Now the state fined him $5, which is about the equivalent of $150 today for his refusal. He sued. The Supreme Court held that Massachusetts his vaccine mandate was in fact constitutional because, as it held in every well ordered society, charged with the duty of conserving the safety of its members, the rights of the individual in respect of his liberty. May at times under the pressure of great dangers be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations as the safety of the general public. May demand Now, 17. Years later, Jacobson v. Massachusetts formed the basis for the court's ruling. In another case called Sucked the King. That ruling was that the San Antonio public school system could deny admission to a student who wasn't vaccinated. In its ruling, the court there held that Jacobson quote had settled that it is within the police power of a state to provide for compulsory vaccination. Pretty cut and dry, right? Not exactly five years after that ruling in Zuk The Supreme Court used the Jacobson holding To uphold eugenics in an effort to prevent the feeble minded from passing on their supposedly defective genes in Virginia in 1924, the state passed the law that allowed the mentally disabled to be forcibly sterilized for the protection. And health of the state. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, one of the most famous Supreme Court justices in history, reason that if a state can mandate vaccination For the good of society for the health of society. Then why can't it mandate sterilization for an equally noble goal? He wrote. It is better for all the world if instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime, or to let them starve for their imbecility. Society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting. The fallopian tubes. Now. Fortunately, subsequent Supreme Court decisions as well as the Americans with Disabilities Act, rid the nation of this horrible idea that forced sterilization is somehow acceptable. But what this does, in a broader sense is prove that Jacobson v. Massachusetts is not the ironclad defense of mandatory vaccines that its supporters seem to think it is. In upholding the forced vaccination or forced injection of a prison inmate with an anti psychotic medication because he was a clear danger to himself, his fellow inmates and prison guards in Washington v. Harper in 1990. The court did note that the forcible injection of medication into a non consenting persons body represents a substantial interference with that person's Liberty. Now, these sorts of concerns just would not taken into consideration when Jacobson v. Massachusetts was decided this came during an era before Supreme Court decisions found that people could purchase contraceptives. That people could marry those from a different race and that people Could get abortions in 1973. This notion of bodily autonomy and the right of the individual to have privacy of the affairs of his or her person reached its zenith with Roe v. Wade that held that this right to privacy precluded a state From infringing on a woman's ability to have an abortion in the first trimester. Now, here in lies the ultimate irony of Biden's vaccine mandate. He opposes an individual's right to a medical decision that he claims put others at risk of death, yet firmly supports the individual's right to a medical decision that is 100% fatal. To another human being. Now Biden is either too dense or too demagogic or more likely both to see the inherent contradiction in his world view. But he's never nevertheless convinced that a blanket mandate for vaccines from the federal government would be unconstitutional if he wasn't so convinced he would have issued such a mandate. Months ago. Instead, he thinks he can get around the annoyance of the United States Constitution through a Labor Department rule that forces large private businesses to either require their employees to be vaccinated or to test them at least once a week..
"henning jacobson" Discussed on WLS-AM 890
"Leave this program tonight than anybody else. Joe Biden gave me a frightening speech. This evening. Now I believe in these vaccines. I'm not a number of action, but I believe you should consult your own doctor. That the government Television hosts even radio hosts. They're not to be trusted. You trust your own physician. You don't go to the government. When it comes to other medical issues. The politicization of this issue. By Biden Harris last summer as I will demonstrate By Fauci and the teachers unions. By CNN, MSNBC. Another irresponsible phony news sites. Has undermined the credibility of so many of these institutions. You go to your doctor. You talk to your doctor. 80 million adults have not been vaccinated. They say 70% have been I've asked this question before. Of the 80 million who have not been vaccinated. How many of them Have the, uh anti body No. Because they don't need to be vaccinated. And maybe that's their position. I don't know. How many of them can't be vaccinated because some kind of health malady that they already have what percentage of the email? I don't know. And Joe Biden is a pathological serial liar, so I don't know what's coming out of his mouth. To be anything close to the science for the statistics that we have Moreover, if you're vaccinated If you're vaccinated. And somebody else is not vaccinated. I don't quite understand what the issue is. As a personal matter. Well, you can still catch the variant. Well, you can still catch the variant. Then whether you vaccinated or not. That goes to the issue of how seriously illnesses or whether death follows. But people do stupid things all the time. They change smoke. They eat foods. They do other things they are likely to cause lung cancer. Heart disease. What have you The United States government mandates automobiles that are not safe. I don't care how many seatbelts or airbags are in there. In order to meet cafe standards. Cars have to be very, very light. When you're in a significant and serious accident. You need a heavy vehicle. Steel. And there's been reports about how many thousands of people die every year that would otherwise live. But for cafe standards, we don't discuss that. And I didn't hear Biden say today I'm taking steps immediately to seal the southern border. To finish Trump's wall in order to prevent people from coming into this country. Who had the coronavirus. And who are not vaccinated. He didn't do any of that. Now does he have the power? To order essentially. All private businesses with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated. Does he have the power? To order everyone in anything. With the most Limited contact with the federal government to be vaccinated. On top of it being a rather frightening speech. His politicisation and his attacks on governors is really, really appalling. Really appalling. The guy that leaves the southern border open. Who has no idea who's coming in who won't even go to the southern border. Now. What's the rule here? What are the laws? We're going to take a little time on this. And I'd be remiss very remiss if I didn't point out. The speech didn't have to be given today. This speech didn't have to be given today. In two days. It will be 20 years since 9 11. He's so cynical. He's so devious. He's such an S O b. I despise him more than Obama. You wanted the truth. He's such an S O B. That he does this in hopes of deflecting attention. From the disaster that still is Afghanistan. In the 80,000 Afghan allies who's still stuck there and the citizens. Who are stuck At the Mazar e Sharif airport. They only want to talk about Kabul where they got one jet out. And what's interesting to me is, you know they're cutting deals and making concessions left and right with the Taliban, and we don't know anything about what they're discussing or what they're doing. Nothing. Well, she says, Pacific, we have to rely on them. They're the only ones to rely on. Well, you ensure that situation you gave them the country. You gave them the power and now you're complaining. They're the only ones you have to rely on. Who else we're going to deal with. Now let me get started here. This is from history dot com. 19 Oh, one, a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston and Cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refused to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the constitution. One of those holdouts, a Swedish born pastor named Henning Jacobson. Took his anti vaccine crusade. This is how they wrote it all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court, the nation's top justices. Issued a landmark 19 Oh five ruling that legitimized the government's authority to reasonably.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on The Mark Levin Show
"Number's eight seven. Seven three eight one three eight one one eight seven seven. Three eight one. Three eight one one. I'm glad you're here and you'll have more knowledge when you leave this program tonight than anybody else. Joe biden gave me a frightening speech this evening. Now i believe in these vaccines vaccines. But i believe you should consult your doctor that the government television hosts even radio hosts. They're not to be trusted. You trust your own physician. You don't go to the government when it comes to other medical issues the politicisation of this issue by biden harris last. Summer's i will demonstrate by fao. She and the teachers unions by cnn. Msnbc and other irresponsible phony news sites has undermined the credibility of so many of these institutions. You go to your doc. You talk to your doctor. Eighty million adults have not been vaccinated. They say seventy percent haven't been. I've asked this question before. The eighty million who have not been vaccinated. How many of them have the antibody now because they don't need to be vaccinated and maybe that's their position. I don't know how many of them can't vaccinated. Because some kind of health malady that they already have. What percentage of the. I don't know and joe biden is a pathological sierra liar. So i don't know what's coming out of his mouth to be anything close to the science of the statistics that we have moreover vaccinated if you're vaccinated and somebody else not vaccinated. I don't quite understand what the issue is as a personal manner. Well you can still catch the variant. Well you can still catch the variant. Then whether you're vaccinated or not that goes to the issue of how serious the illnesses or the death follows but people do stupid things all the time they chain smoke. They eat foods they do other things. They were likely because lung cancer heart disease. What have you. The united states government mandates automobiles. That are not safe. I don't care how many seat airbags are in their in order to meet cafe standards cars to be very very light when you're in a significant and serious accident you need a heavy vehicle. Steel and there've been reports about how many thousands of people die every year that would otherwise live but for cafe standards. We don't discuss that. And i didn't hear biden say today. I'm taking steps immediately to seal the southern border to finish trump's wall in order to prevent people from coming into this country who had the corona virus and who are not vaccinated. He didn't do any of that now does he. Have the power to order. Essentially all private businesses with one hundred or more employees to be vaccinated. Does he have the power to order everyone. In anything with the most limited contact with the federal government to be vaccinated on top of it being a rather frightening speech. His politicisation in his attacks on governors is really really appalling. Really appalling guy that leaves the southern border open. Who has no idea who's coming in. Who want to go to the southern border. What's the rule. Here what are the laws. We're gonna take a little time on this. And i'd be remiss very remiss if i didn't point out this speech didn't have to be given today. Their speech didn't have to be given in two days. It'll be twenty years since nine eleven. He's so cynical. He's so devious. He's such an s. o. p. I despise him more than obama. You want the truth. He's such an sob that he does this in hopes of deflecting attention from the disaster. That still is afghanistan. The eighty thousand afghan allies rose still stuck there and the citizens who are stuck at the maserati sharieff airport. They only want to talk about kabul where they got one jet out. And what's interesting to me. Is you know they're cutting deals and making concessions left and right with the taliban and we don't know anything about what they're discussing what they're doing. Nothing what will she says precise. We have to rely on them. They're the only ones to rely on. Well you ensure that situation you gave them the country you gave them the power and now you're complaining. They're the only ones you have to rely on. Who else we're going to deal with. Let me get started here. This is from history. Dot com o a deadly smallpox epidemic. Or through the northeast prompting the boston and cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents but some refused to get the shot claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the constitution. One of those holdouts. A swedish born pastor named henning jacobson took his anti vaccine crusade. This is how they wrote it all the way to the. Us supreme court. The nation's top justices issued a landmark nineteen o five ruling that legitimised government authority to reasonably quote unquote underscore infringe upon personal freedoms throwing a public health crisis. By issuing a fine to those who refuse to vaccinate a fine if it's reasonable nine hundred one. The city of boston registered fifteen hundred and ninety six confirmed cases of smallpox. A highly contagious fever. Inducing on this infamous causes severe rash on the face arms often left survivors scarred for life in boston alone. Two hundred and seventy people died from smallpox during the extended owando three outbreak. That's why public health officials in boston. The neighboring cambridge issued their compulsory vaccination orders hoping to reach the ninety percent vaccination rate required for heard immunity. Now jacobson served as the pastor of a swedish lutheran church in cambridge had been vaccinated against smallpox in sweden. When he was six years old and experience he later said caused them. Great and extreme suffering so in dr e edwin spencer chairman of the cambridge board of health knocked on the jacobson store on march. Fifteen one thousand. Nine hundred to the pastor refused the vaccination for himself and his son few months later cambridge wasn't a full-fledged smallpox panic with the city ordering the closure of all schools public libraries in churches to stem the spread of the disease. Police officers accompanied. Health officials like spencer went door-to-door vaccinating as many as one hundred people a day but while the cambridge vaccine order was compulsory. It wasn't a forced vaccination people like jacobson who refuse to get vaccinated faced a five dollar fine the equivalent of nearly one hundred and fifty dollars today on july seventeen. Nine hundred zero to dr spencer issued a criminal complaint against jacobson and other anti vaccine activists to collect the five dollar fine now of course biden's further than this if you don't get the vaccine you're fired.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on WBSM 1420
"On top of it being a rather frightening speech. His politicisation and his attacks on governors is really, really appalling. Really appalling. The guy that leaves the southern border open. Who has no idea who's coming in who won't even go to the southern boy. Now. What's the rule here? What are the laws? We're going to take a little time on this. And I'd be remiss very remiss if I didn't point out. This speech didn't have to be given today. This speech didn't have to be given today. In two days. It will be 20 years since 9 11. He's so cynical. He's so devious. He's such an S O b I Despite some more than Obama, you wanna know the truth? He's such an S O B. That he does this in hopes of deflecting attention. From the disaster that still is Afghanistan. In the 80,000 Afghan allies who's still stuck there and the citizens. Who are stuck At the Mazar e Sharif airport. They only want to talk about Kabul where they got one jet out. And what's interesting to me is, you know they're cutting deals and making concessions left and right with the Taliban, and we don't know anything about what they're discussing or what they're doing. Nothing. Well, she says, Pessac, we have to rely on them. They're the only ones to rely on. Well, you ensure that situation you gave them the country. You gave them the power and now you're complaining. They're the only ones you have to rely on what we're going to deal with. Now let me get started here. This is from history dot com. And 19. Oh, one, a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston in Cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refused to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the constitution. One of those holdouts, a Swedish born pastor named Henning Jacobson. Took his anti vaccine crusade. This is how they wrote it all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court, the nation's top justices. Issued a landmark 19 Oh five ruling that legitimized the government's authority to reasonably.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on WCBM 680 AM
"His politicisation and his attacks on governors is really, really appalling. Really appalling. The guy that leaves the southern border open. Who has no idea who's coming in who won't even go to the southern border. Now. What's the rule here? What are the laws? We're going to take a little time on this. And I'd be remiss very remiss if I didn't point out. The speech didn't have to be given today. This speech didn't have to be given today. In two days. It will be 20 years since 9 11. He's so cynical. He is so devious. He's such an S O b I Despite some more than Obama, you wanted the truth. He's such an S O B. That he does this in hopes of deflecting attention. From the disaster that still is Afghanistan. In the 80,000 Afghan allies who's still stuck there and the citizens. Who are stuck At the Mazar e Sharif airport. They only want to talk about Kabul where they got one jet up. And what's interesting to me is, you know they're cutting deals and making concessions left and right with the Taliban, and we don't know anything about what they're discussing or what they're doing. Nothing. Well, she says person we have to rely on them. They're the only ones to rely on. Well, you ensure that situation you gave them the country. You gave them the power and now you're complaining. They're the only ones you have to rely on. Who else we're going to deal with. Now let me get started here. This is from history dot com. In 19 Oh, one, a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston in Cambridge Boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refused to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the constitution. One of those holdouts, a Swedish born pastor named Henning Jacobson. Took his anti vaccine crusade. This is how they wrote it all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court, the nation's top justices. Issued a landmark 19 Oh five ruling that legitimized the government's authority to reasonably quote unquote underscore infringe upon personal freedoms, drawing a public health crisis. By issuing a fine to those who refuse to.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on 77WABC Radio
"I'm glad you're here. You'll have more knowledge when you leave this program tonight. Than anybody else. Joe Biden gave to me a frightening speech. This evening. No, I believe in these vaccines. I'm not in ever of action, but I believe you should consult your own doctor. That the government Television hosts even radio hosts. They're not to be trusted. You trust your own physician. You don't go to the government. When it comes to other medical issues. Politicization of this issue. Biden Harris last summer as I will demonstrate By Fauci and the teachers unions. By CNN, MSNBC and other irresponsible phony news sites. Has undermined the credibility of so many of these institutions. You go to your doctor. You talk to your doctor. 80 million adults have not been vaccinated. They say 70% have been I've asked this question before. The 80 million who have not been vaccinated. How many of them Have the, uh, anti body now. Because they don't need to be vaccinated. Maybe that's their position. I don't know. How many of them can't be vaccinated because some kind of health malady that they already have what percentage of the email? I don't know. And Joe Biden is a pathological serial liar, so I don't know what's coming out of his mouth. Could be anything close to the science for the statistics that we have Moreover, if you're vaccinated If you're vaccinated. And somebody else is not vaccinated. Don't quite understand what the issue is. As a personal matter. Well, you can still catch the the variant. Well, you can still catch the variant. Then whether you vaccinated or not. That goes to the issue of how serious the illnesses or whether death follows. People do stupid things all the time. They change smoke. They eat foods. They do other things they are likely to cause lung cancer. Heart disease. What have you The United States government mandates automobiles that are not safe. I don't care how many seatbelts or airbags are in there. In order to meet cafe standards. Cars have to be very, very light. Well, when you're in a significant and serious accident, you need a heavy vehicle. Steel. There've been reports about how many thousands of people die every year that would otherwise live but for cafe stands, we don't discuss that. And I didn't hear Biden say today I'm taking steps immediately to seal the southern border. To finish Trump's wall in order to prevent people from coming into this country. Who had the coronavirus. And who are not vaccinated. He didn't do any of that. Now does he have the power? To order he essentially All private businesses with 100 or more employees to be vaccinated. Does he have the power? To order everyone in anything. With the most Limited contact with the federal government to be vaccinated. On top of it being a rather frightening speech. His politicisation and his attacks on governors is really, really appalling. Really appalling. The guy that leaves the southern border open. Has no idea who's coming in who won't even go to the southern border. What's the rule here? What are the laws? We're going to take a little time on this. And I'd be remiss very remiss if I didn't point out. The speech didn't have to be given today. This speech didn't have to be given today. In two days. It will be 20 years since 9 11. He's so cynical. He is so devious. He's such an S O b. I despise him more than Obama. You wanna know the truth? He's such an S O B. And he does this in hopes of deflecting attention. From the disaster that still is Afghanistan. In the 80,000 Afghan allies who's still stuck there and the citizens. You're stuck. At the Mazar e Sharif airport. We only want to talk about Kabul where they got one jet out. And what's interesting to me is, you know they're cutting deals and making concessions left and right with the Taliban, and we don't know anything about what they're discussing or what they're doing. Nothing. Well, she says Passat. We have to rely on them. They're the only ones to rely on. Well, you ensure that situation you gave them the country. You gave them the power and now you're complaining. They're the only ones you have to rely on. Who else we're gonna deal with. Let me get started here. This is from history dot com. 19 Oh, one, a deadly smallpox epidemic tore through the Northeast, prompting the Boston and Cambridge boards of health to order the vaccination of all residents. But some refuse to get the shot, claiming the vaccine order violated their personal liberties under the constitution. One of those holdouts, a Swedish born pastor named Henning Jacobson. Took his anti vaccine crusade. This is how they wrote it all the way to the U. S. Supreme Court, the nation's top justices issued a landmark 19 Oh, five ruling that legitimized the government's authority. To reasonably caught unquote underscore infringe upon personal freedoms, drawing a public health crisis by issuing a fine to those who refuse.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"Executive branch employees, federal contractors and millions of health care workers to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. Has also directed his administration to issue new rules, saying large private employers must require shocks or testing. Some of the biggest companies are already requiring mints. United Airlines, Disney, Tyson's food and even Fox News. Bottom line. We're going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co workers and the president spoke live right here on sound on stocks Lower today. Volatile session Mixed economic data kept investors on edge s and P down 20 down five tents the Dow Down 151 come 4/10 of 1% has stacked down 38 a drop of 3/10 of 1%. 10 years. 12 30 seconds 10 Year Yield 1.31% spot gold 17 94 the ounce West Texas Enemy the accrued down 1.7% 68 14 a barrel. I'm Charlie Politan. That is a Bloomberg business Flash. You're listening to Bloomberg Sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. President Biden lays down new orders to fight Covid. If you haven't gotten the vaccine yet, you may be about to go so tonight. AM announcing that the Department of Labor is developing an emergency rule to require all employers with 100 or more employees. That together employ over 80 million workers. To ensure their workforces. Are fully vaccinated or show a negative test at least once a week, suggesting that labor Secretary Marty Walsh is about to get involved in this and I'm sure we'll be speaking publicly about it for our Are somewhat new listeners in Boston. I mean, Mayor Walsh. So President Biden addresses the nation from the state dining room, and we're joined now by the panel. Bloomberg Politics contributor Democratic analyst Genie Shan Zeno and Republican strategist Ash right senior vice president Gate 23 strategies thanks to you both for for being here. Oh, I want to hear from both of you on this. It was a very deliberately seemed rehearsed speech in its delivery. The president looking directly into the camera. As he got. I won't say emotional but passionate at times, Jeannie in making these announcements here if we've already got a nation that split between vaccinated and unvaccinated, is this going to help? It won't help with that, but but it should help because this is really a very strong and very sweeping announcement by the White House at you know, the six pronged plan. You heard a clearly frustrated president and he used the word frustrated. Talk about the fact that this is you know, this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. These 80 million Americans 25%. Who can get vaccinated but has chosen not to. And so he is going to use the full power of the executive branch to move us in the direction of you know about. They say this might impact about 100 Million and you know, the numbers that he talked about are important to underscore. Daily News, Kate New Case rates of 150,000 and you have Dr Fauci and others saying we to be well below 10,000. So we've got a really long way to go on that. And the president is going to try to push us there. I think he's going to face some pushback. We've already heard some of that from the unions. But he's going to push us there as much as he can within the within the law and the Constitution. That's right. We just talked to Donna Shalala, who suggested we could be in for a major debate over federalism. What happens when The executive branch of the federal government starts mandating the way employers granted large employers in this case operate themselves right. It's not going to be pretty. Frankly, I would assume that a lot of states will be filing lawsuits as early as tonight. Tomorrow morning because part of part of the issue here is that the state tend to regulate the hiring, firing that companies do. And so as Joe Biden kind of kind of puts these rules and regulations as to who can be in the workforce, and who can't even if there are larger companies. A lot of that, you know, those employers get unemployment benefits and unemployment benefits are paid for by the state. You know, that makes factors on the small business owner go up. And so there's going to be a lot of kind of red tape to comb through a lot of this. What I personally you know, as a conservative would have hoped from the president, you know, just to be Frank. I thought when you use the line and that this isn't about freedom and personal choice, I thought he lost the unvaccinated in the speech and and I wish that he could come out with more of a Passionate kind of, Let's do this versus just kind of, you know, putting my thumb on roll over you, and I think that's how people are going to take it. That would also, you know, kind of question the ability of but I'm sorry it takes so long, but but aiming it at companies that are 100. Employers are over because we know that it's typically the more poverty based section of our society that still unvaccinated But those are not the people that are making, you know, 35. Plus 35,000 plots are more at companies of 100 or more. And so, although it will affect 100 Million Americans, I would I would think a mask a mass majority of those 100 million are already vaccinated. And I would want him to see do more to, you know, to help those living in poverty with, like mobile back station, you know trucks going through neighborhoods, etcetera. I wish you had taken that route, but you know, but You know, I think we're in for a long fight. Actually think you isolated one of the most important parts of the speech. Here's how the president said it. This is not about freedom, her personal choice. It's about protecting yourself and those around you. People you work with. The people you care about the people you love. I want you both to just give me a second on this because I read in politico story this morning. About the Reverend Henning Jacobson. Who was the minister lived in Cambridge, Massachusetts. In the early 19 hundreds refused a local mandate to take the smallpox vaccine. Cambridge had a mandate back then the case, Henning versus Massachusetts went all the way to the Supreme Court. Same personal liberties argument that many conservatives are using right now and you know what he lost. The court ruled that Henning was in fact violating the liberties of his neighbors by spreading the disease. So not only has the argument not changed in over 100 years, Jeannie But if this goes to the high court, this is the case that would in fact, be the legal precedent. Nothing has changed in a century. No, it's It's a great president to talk about because nothing has changed and, of course. You know the states the government have police powers. They oftentimes make decisions that are in the interest of the health safety Well being, and quite frankly morals of their community and in these kinds of cases, they may very well go to court. But when it comes to this issue, and I think this is where OSHA and the Labor Department are going to be on strong ground, there is a strong backing for them to say This is in the interest, the safety and health of the public. So we have a right to demand this. I do agree with ash, though, that the language is important and that is something I think the president has to be very careful about. I would have liked. He did this toward the end. I would have liked more focused on the economic aspect of this as well. He did that towards the end, but the impact on our economy if businesses still can't come back who thought they were going to come back this fall? Those are big impacts. I think he's got to focus there as well. And implore people that we are economy is going to continue to falter. If we don't get this under control, Ash, right do we have if if you're right lawsuits being filed tonight are those going to be From private employers are also from states. As the president here opens a new front. It sounds like against Rhonda Santis and others suggesting he would use the power of the presidency, promising that he would to get those governors as he said, out of the way. Yeah. Rod. I think it will be primarily the states. I'm sure there will be some employers to do it, but I think primarily it's going to be attorney general's that represent conservative states and they're going to use the argument and say that the Department of Education doesn't have the right to come in and say Make up the paper. A teacher require a teacher to be paid Also, you know to require medical personnel to be vaccinated. Which I think is interesting. It's hard for me to imagine there's a lot of medical, you know, medical workforce that is unvaccinated, but but you know a lot of those states. A lot of those hospitals are also state funded. And so I think they'll sue on those grounds that this is an overreach of federal of federal laws. But I will say the genius point. I think that what they actually did right was used the Department of Labor. There are a lot of laws that the Department of Labor traditionally in our history is there to protect the consumer. And the workers. So, for example, when you walk into a bathroom, and there's a sign up that says all employees must wash their hands, You know? Is the vaccine really that different because that laws there to ensure the safety of who's making your food or who's touching your products, and so I think they have a lot of standing will ultimately be successful, so those lawsuits that will be filed by the states Will not succeed. Is that right? Ash?.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on NPR Politics Podcast
"Covered demographics and culture. And i'm carrie. Johnson the national justice correspondent and we have a special episode today. This is the docket our ongoing series where we look at the big legal questions of the day. Today we're talking about something very much in the news we're talking about vaccine mandates as yet another wave of cove in nineteen spreads throughout the us. We've seen businesses cities and parts of the federal government begin to require proof of vaccination and with that comes a debate over not just the ethics of vaccination but also legality whether it's legal to require vaccination to do any number of things like get a job or go to a sporting event or a restaurant and talk about this. We have legal expert. Carrie johnson but also another expert. Who've you brought kerry. Yeah we have law. Professor lindsey widely from american university. Here with us. Today she directs the health law and policy program there. Hi professor wiley. Thanks for inviting you to join you. Oh we're happy to have you. And i guess the best place to start is with kind of a simple question isn't legal to require. Vaccinations for cove in nineteen. I think there may be a very old supreme court case about this from all the way back to nineteen o five. There is an that decision jacobson. Be massachusetts has gotten a lot of attention over the last A year and a half or so. It's actually a decision that was very relevant to the kinds of social distancing measures and business restrictions. That were used a four. we had A a widespread availability for a safe effective vaccine the case itself was about a vaccination mandate this case actually involved a pastor who had immigrated from sweden and i think he had a bad reaction to a vaccine years before right so in the early nineteen hundreds smallpox outbreaks were fairly frequent and many people had been vaccinated earlier. You know as children but needed to be reback stated as their immunity wayne so henning jacobson was one of those people. The the state of massachusetts passed a law that gave authority to local boards of health to make a decision at any given moment in response to an outbreak that smallpox vaccination should be mandatory for all residents of their local area. If in the opinion of the medical experts who were serving on the board it was necessary to protect the public health so the city of cambridge made that determination. They then you know went through the effort of outreach to get get everyone vaccinated. When they came to henning jacobson. he objected. Now he happened to be a pastor but in the litigation he did not raise religious liberty. And that's the cause in nineteen o five. The supreme court had not yet applied the first amendment to state governments. And so it just wasn't an option on the table for him at that time instead he argued that vaccines are ineffective. He argued that they don't prevent transmission and he argued that they were harmful Sound familiar the f. The court described those arguments as not seeking a medical exemption but rather reciting the alternative views. that differ from medical consensus and that those arguments did not warrant an exemption extension from the requirement to be vaccinated so Jacobson was actually The subject of a criminal enforcement action the city initiated proceedings in criminal court to collect the penalty It was five dollars which Just as gorsuch recently pointed out He looked it up So he thought it was important and said it was about one hundred forty dollars By today that's real money. Yeah that's real money In that criminal proceeding by the state back was when jacobson raised his arguments against vaccination. There was some indication i believe. Historians have found that he was being supported by active anti vaccination groups. At the time we tend to think of antibac- saination something recent but it has been a lot around as long as vaccination been around. It seems like the overarching theme from most of the jurisprudence from nineteen o five has been a public safety and public health sometimes will prevail over individual desires in and give way to the common good. Am i getting the overall stream of legal decisions right there. That's exactly right Our individual rights under the constitution are not absolute bay can be counterbalanced by pressing public health or public safety needs and that's true in a pandemic as it is in in routine times as well that old case we just discussed jacobson. V massachusetts talked about the power of state. But it's this analysis different when it comes to the federal government we haven't seen president biden issue a nationwide mandate but is it law or politics. That's causing some reluctance there. I think it's a combination of the two. Actually there are different constraints not based on individual rights but based on federalism and also separation of power. What i do think we were likely to see is some incentives An and conditions on things like participation in medicare for hospitals and maybe skilled nursing facilities nursing homes That's very different from the kinds of mandates that were seeing employers adopts and that we're seeing at least a couple of local jurisdictions consider for patrons at certain businesses and speaking of employers. What you were just talking about private companies have really been in a big way leading the charge here on requiring vaccines and. I'm wondering if you can tell us about some history here. The the covent vaccine isn't the first or only vaccine that businesses have required for their employees. Am i right on that note. That's correct although we typically seen those requirements limited to certain sectors where the risk of transmission is higher or where the employees are working with vulnerable populations and so for example very common for healthcare employers to require flu shots and a whole host of other shots as a measure to protect patients but also to some extent to protect health workers themselves so for example many require on hepatitis. Vaccinations in addition to flu shots. All kind of Childhood vaccines that we tend to get as a condition of attending school the other Kind of common requirement applied to adults who are over. The age of eighteen has been university requirements college Attendance requirements college students in many states are required by law. Not just by the option of the college to get a meningitis vaccine. Because of a higher incidence of of meningitis outbreaks in kind of congregate setting on on campuses. And we've seen these same groups sort of lead the charge on vaccination requirements for cova. Did that makes sense because some of the same concerns. Apply to kobe as apply to flu or meningitis. And also because these are entities employers universities who already have the basic infrastructure in place to impose these kinds of requirements..
"henning jacobson" Discussed on MSNBC Rachel Maddow (audio)
"The show we had nine minutes during on msnbc. Rachel is on a much deserved vacation. Well this was the announcement in the newspaper. Two days after christmas in nineteen one under an all caps headline vaccination in boston quote notwithstanding the fact that some four hundred thousand people have been vaccinated in boston since january. The first the board of health ordered that all the inhabitants of this city be vaccinated vaccinated with the board explains that although there has been a most remarkable cooperation throughout the city the medical profession and the people in general having acquiesced to a most remarkable extent in its request for vaccination. It is necessary. In order to stamp out the smallpox epidemic that all persons not protected by vaccination or re vaccination shall be vaccinated and quote. Now this is about the deadly boston. Smallpox epidemic of one thousand nine hundred one. Kill hundreds of people. It would also turn out to be boston's very last smallpox outbreak. Because of cases kept climbing. Despite pretty high vaccination rates the health department mandated that everyone in boston get a vaccine. Doctors went door to door with vaccines. Look at this amazing illustration from the boston globe. This is january twenty eighth nineteen o two so about a month. After the health department announced the mandate quote about about ten thousand vaccinated in south boston board of health had one hundred fifteen physicians at work and below. That it illustrates what each of these doctors carried with cotton alcohol and several boxes of vaccine points. The box is probably look something like this. Smallpox vaccine was administered at the time using a point made ivory or bone with a little bit of the virus on the end. Doctors went house to house vaccinating people as illustrated by the boston globe. Here's one woman. Getting the vaccine surrounded by her small children the caption reads protecting mama. Anyone who refused vaccine would be fine five dollars equivalent to about one hundred and fifty dollars today and you see part of the headline on that illustration. The board of health quote intends to bring those who refuse into court. That's exactly what ended up happening. A local pastor named henning jacobson refuse to be vaccinated. He refused to pay the five dollar fine. He took his case all the way to the supreme court of the united states and he lost in its opinion. The supreme court wrote quote. There is of course a sphere. Within which the individual may cert- the supremacy of his own will and rightfully dispute the authority of any human government especially of any free government existing under a written constitution. But it is equally true. That in every well ordered society charged with the duty of conserving. The safety of its members. The rights of the individual and respect to his liberty may at times under the pressure of great dangers be subjected to such restraint to be enforced by reasonable regulations. As the safety of the general public may demand. Well the boston. Smallpox epidemic produced a vital legal precedent. About what the government is allowed to do in the name of public health and also the vaccine mandate in boston worked. You can see from this chart that smallpox cases in boston peaked. In december of one thousand nine hundred one at the end of that month the health department announced the vaccine mandated from their cases came steadily down from their peak until the very last. Few cases were documented in the spring of one thousand. Nine hundred three now. It bears mentioning boston's response to the smallpox epidemic and the supreme court ruling upholding it. We're far from perfect public. Health authorities in boston for instance vaccinated people forcibly in some cases especially an emigrant in disadvantaged communities and there had to be further judicial intervention to clarify. That was not acceptable. The supreme court decision upholding public health mandates was later used to defend things like four sterilization. Medical ethics in american law are always evolving. And hopefully we get better at this stuff over time. I mean just to be clear no matter what. Your uncle who watches fox news is telling you. No one from the federal government is coming to your house to force a covert vaccine onto you or into you but the fundamental lesson of that box boston. Smallpox epidemic still stands both in american law and in our general sense of what we owe to each other as members of a shared society. The government can take reasonable steps to require people to get vaccinated against the virus that threatens the health and safety of our fellow citizens today. President about biden announced that all federal workers and contractors will be required to get a kobe vaccine or they will have to undergo regular testing wear masks at all times socially distance and be prohibited from traveling for work by also said that the defense department the world's largest employer will look.
"henning jacobson" Discussed on The Last American Vagabond
"Is designed to prevent the spreading disease the vaccination is only to prevent a disease it you will get for example visit disease that will kill you. You have the right to refuse that but you have no right to refuse vaccinated against a contagious disease. Now is obviously a bunch of caveats in there. I mean this is taking at face just assuming that these things are safe. Assuming things have been tested properly. We know this isn't happening right assuming that they're even being made for the right purpose. This or they're not secretly involving nanotechnology or anything or they're using gene editing the ornate vaccines. They've never tested telling us any number of things in there. That don't just just completely apply right but I mean you can see the way that they're trying to apply this but the argument that oh well if you're taking a vaccine only is affecting you right but it's not about saving everybody else will then. There's let's just be very clear here. There is nothing when you're talking about putting a piece of metal in your arm and injecting liquid into your body against your will to be very about exactly what that is and not even just liquids but all kinds of horrible things that I'm not going to get into the point is that there's nothing ever that can happen. That can make that mandatory because that is a violation of your personal sovereignty ever period but this is also get into furthermore in a second about why but I want to show you before we get into what he argues next in regard to why this is legal police. Our Constitution gives the state the power L. That case police United States of bring as the ops into my head and may have the name wrong is Jacobson. I think probably I have it right. Check it out. So here's what he's talking about. This is what he's talking about Jacobsen Mercy's Massachusetts now. You can see nineteen thousand five nineteen o five. We're talking about so first of all. It's recognized that we're talking about a piece of legislation from over one hundred years ago. Not Not a founding document right but a piece of legislation written by people who had interest at that time that worked the same as what we're talking about now or something. That should be looked at right now. There's a big difference between amending or changing a piece of legislation versus amending or changing the constitution very different things because the constitution is not just a piece of legislation. It's not just a bill. That was the constitutions of founding living document right that's the point and nothing can change that if it's counter to the constitution period this has been bastardized and changed at in manipulated. Ever since then but the point is just on just show you now since I'm talking. This is another Supreme Court case right. All laws which are repugnant. To the constitution are null and void metairie versus Madison K. That is another Supreme Court case. So if we're actually going to pretend presidents mean anything in this country that should immediately say period moving forward nothing else can ever be written out or voted on that is repugnant or goes against the constitution. So point in case this right this is from eighteen. Three this is from nineteen o five. Hey when you're talking about something that is violating your constitutional rights. It shouldn't have even been high. Shouldn't even happened so this was unconstitutional. Said that's that's why you have to view it. So they say people always go they amend the Constitution yes but the amendments cannot violate the constitutional rights the origin otherwise it's repugnant Nolan void. Turn it doesn't matter it pass or they vote for it. It doesn't matter. Let's see we've gotten so far removed from that and people like John Bolton say the constitutions on a suic- suicide back are people that caused we pretend to fight for it and then every chance they get violated such as you know fighting against your right to boycott what you wish on and on and on but back to the point that says this Nineteen hundred ninety seven. Us Eleven. I guess that's the name of the whatever it was there was a United States Supreme Court case. Just the I get it. So in which the court upheld the authority of States to enforce compulsory vaccination laws right so period? There's a case here which. They claim that they are in found in favor that they were allowed to enforce mandatory vaccination. So what's right off? The Bat realized this is a law. This is a Supreme Court case precedent in our country system where mandatory vaccination was deemed legal if it was in the best interest of the society around them. So why is that not being discussed? Why don't you pretend like people who argue for vaccination is coming are crazy? Conspiracy theorist while we literally have a precedent on the books. Does that not seem ridiculous? Does that not seem like they're trying to gaslight us now but while they rolled in quietly even as they are going to argue this right here which is why Dershowitz pointed to it? You're being deceived. Guys there's an allusion around all of what's happening right now and this whole thing's agenda regardless of what you think is going on. This is happening and they're lying to you. They're planning this stuff as they have been forever. That's why we're using the planets where we're using all the other plans. That have been around for decades. The same nanotechnology plans in the same people and the same companies in the same public official positions. That are all doing the same things it has been planned. Since the court's decision articulated the view that the freedom of the individual must sometimes be subordinate subordinated to the common welfare and is subject to the POW police power of the state. How horrifying does that sound like what you thought? This isn't that you know five right. I mean you imagine what you thought this country would have been like. We pretend like things are so much worse now but I promise you this. We've always been in this flux. You could argue the people that many people in that room in signing the declaration of independence had visions to make the kind of federal government. We have now. It wasn't all encompassing life. Trying to make it out to be when you read this. It gets even more interesting. When it says Pastor Henning Jacobson already lived through an era of mandatory vaccinations back in his original home in Sweden. The national law made vaccination mandatory. And when he was a child he vaccinated for smallpox now says although the efforts to eradicate smallpox were successful in Sweden. He did not agree with the methods. He said saination caused him quote great and extreme suffering and he would have to endure for the rest of his life. So based on this guy's claims he's suffering for the rest. He was suffering for the rest of his life. Due to a vaccination and I I can only imagine how horse they were back then. He says one of his sons also quote suffered adverse effects after being vaccines child. So here this is an interesting point to think about. At what point do you does your personal suffering La- matter less than the collective perception that society suffering less. Maybe think about where we all right now. Think about the position that we're in as were dealing with come back to you won't talking to you for a minute. Think about the position that we're in right in regard to all of us. You could argue. Based on the fact that we know the numbers are wrong and that they actions continued anyway which should mean it would be a suspect moment for people to support trump or anybody like hey why are we still doing all the things even though the numbers wrong. Who cares right because it's all forty something. Whatever is excuse. Excuse we know something knows something. We don't at the end of the day. It's still going forward so we need ask ourselves what even even if you think this is all real and it's something that people are suffering from Mary. We know that Sweden. Interestingly enough the mentioned there Sweden is showing us right. Now that there's this. There's another way to do this but let me ask you this. Had we done nothing or rather? Have we not done the lockdown and the government simply said? Here's what we think is happening. Here's all the pertinent information we. Here's what we suggest that you do. Show self-determination I argue that easily. Half the country would have done what they're doing now they would have pulled back. They would have worn their masks. They would have been you know whatever that there would have been been the same shaming. Oh you should be doing it. But the end of the day. What would have happened? Is You had people that got sick if it was a real thing? And maybe a little bit higher of an issue but shorter. This is what they showed in Sweden. You have higher spike. But the curve. Flattens out much quicker and guess what wouldn't have happened. The absolute destruction of our complete side all small businesses across the country right so all the big businesses are sweeping normal up right now right I mean I know somebody personally who is taking their small business loan and instead of paying their employees they fired them all and they're going on vacation right. That's what's happening right now. Because why in the world would you take small business loan and then pope it into a business? That doesn't have any customers because they're not doing anything I mean. Think about how crazy that is. They are they. They don't don't don't happily pump money. That's where the money was flying into. Who took it? Because they don't even care and it's want the allusion of something happening so then they can allow the Walmart's business to scoop up all business. I also know another person a friend of mine. Who lost his entire business? Because of what's happening this is where we're at guys. This is literally what we're staring at right now. So what's better that we? I mean what you have to ask and this is a genuine question. I'm not even sure where I stand. Is it better to have people who potentially get more sick more severely in a little bit smaller timeframe and not destroy the entire economy and not destroy everyone small businesses and irrevocably changed the face of this country or have a little bit less severe arguably who if even ended up that way less severe longer time and destroy everybody? Small businesses right at. What point does your personal livelihood matter less than the safety collectively of everybody around you exactly? We're talking about here in nineteen o five. This guy was told. We don't care that you've had previous issues with vaccines. We don't care that your child had issued Thaksin's force you to do this because we've deemed the necessity greater for everyone one. No it's going to hurt you. But sorry societies more important. That never is allowed to happen guys period. There's no point where you're this is. This is the world they're trying to drive us into. And guess who benefits from that kind of world your government. Suddenly they get to decide when and how and if in every situation because well we need to be with for you more. Mommy and daddy government to tell you exactly what needs to happen. All the time doesn't matter guys that the point. Oh you know what I realized. Of course I just realized that I wasn't showing you guys the images while I was looking at them of course as I tend to do but here was just you guys can see it John Jacobson versus Massachusetts. That's what I was reading from and this is what I was referencing. The point is it doesn't matter all laws which are repugnant to the constitution are no and void. Eighteen O three. We shouldn't have to have a Supreme Kate Corresponding K. A court rule on this pretty basic but here. We are with them arguing that we have to because that's constitutional. These same people are going gonNA drive this home guys and we need to keep. We need stay vigilant as always because they're going to continue trying to scare you and things are gonna come and more art more action even put this week is even if something actually happens even if you know me Spiro and I were talking about right if if a.