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John Chachas 6-28-20

CATS Roundtable

09:49 min | 1 year ago

John Chachas 6-28-20

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Now we had a discussion the other day, and you were very much concern and the treatment is is very much concerned, not being real numbers or current numbers on how many people are dying from cardiac problems versus the regular flu versus the virus. Etcetera Etcetera! Have you done your studies on that? Well I'm at the moment at a team of people seeking to consolidate all the data. Available state by states to see what we really have. And what's interesting is the difference between the impression of the American people and the actual data that we are finding the impression of the American. People do particularly New Yorker cities. You walk outside. Everybody's got masks on and gloves and I think he talked to the average person. They think if they get this there. You know it's the plague. They're gonNA. Die The data completely different. We've had two point. Four million known cases of this virus probably millions more people who had it didn't even feel sick or didn't have any symptoms, millions and millions more. We have right now. Now thirty one thousand five hundred people hospitalized in America everybody who listens to the national press. Has this impression that hospitals are at capacity? You know if you get sick. You can't find hospital bed. That's completely wrong. There's about a third of ICU beds in the country, and even in states like California New York Texas where you have more cases than anywhere a third MT ICU beds. That's not even talking about the rest of hospital based, so there's this gigantic disconnect between how it's reported, and what the average American thinks their risk is, and that's really troubling. Really troubling well. There was alive troubles in New York on getting the. Numbers because what was happening in New York no matter which she died from people being told put down as the virus. Because well I had heard that government was paying more. To the hospitals for the virus versus Darning, it wouldn't. On proper if you heard I look I I've heard the same thing. I've heard the same thing. In other states where the statistical data for two thousand and twenty is going to be a year where in the past, America would lose forty fifty thousand people from the Flu Somehow in two thousand twenty. We're not gonNA. Have anybody died from the flu? They're all going to be categorized as COVID. What's really most amazing though is if you look at the death statistics, not the transmission statistics, not the number of people that have covert. That's not really the relevant question, but. But the statistics, eighty one percent of the hundred and twenty thousand people that have died in this country are over the age of sixty five sixty percent, or over the age of seventy five, and about ninety percent of those deaths had other conditions, which means the inverse of the hundred twenty thousand people that have died th- remaining nineteen percent who aren't sixty five is about twenty three thousand people so even we've lost twenty three thousand people of the country well. We lost thirty eight thousand people in car accidents last year. I mean so the notion of what people. People think the numbers are compared to numbers. Really are in terms of WHO's dying or never being reported, and we have a comparatively small number of people I mean the likelihood of somebody who's healthy, or even if they're sixty five and have no condition of dying of this, they probably have a higher chance of being struck by lightning than dying Kovic so, but for some reason, the National Discussion, the national conversation of these statistics has completely been turned to transmission as opposed to really has to be hospitalized and more importantly who parishes because of the virus and in. In the process. What have we done? We have created fear. Fear is a very powerful thing, so people are so fearful now that entire industries are going to cease to exist based on fear, and if the fear is grounded in the wrong statistical data I would love to put the question to Dr Fallacy and to the. You know the people that are running our task force into the administration. When are we gonNA talk about this disease with the right set of statistics. PHYSI- statistics that are being kicked around are literally terrifying people that need not be for. I was so frustrated. I asked my system and secondly producer. Matt wanting I, said well just give me the total debts. Of the first five months of twenty, eighteen, twenty, nineteen and twenty twenty. And we weren't able to ascertain total total. Gus, because there's a total dessus, it always work backwards. I used to Naples that those numbers. no, i. mean you know again. The the numbers the data so. So difficult you have to go on a state by state basis and build up, and even when you build it up on a state by state basis, it doesn't always come in the same consistent package. An example I asked the team of people that are working for me to track co Morbid. Conditions, obesity, hypertension, and diabetes, the three main items, which are showing up over and over and over again for those who are dying and interestingly across the United States fifty different you know. Know State Departments of health. Not Everybody is reporting the statistics in that way, which is really quite shocking in a way I mean we should know now that we know that those things are happening with great regularity. You would think that it wouldn't take a whole lot of phone calls to tell each state you know commissioner of Health. Please make sure you report this data into the database, so we can track this and we're not even finding that's consistent. We're we're getting. A fair number of the data and there really isn't a great national source that can look backward from. From total death in the country and come to an answer about how many are dying from this, but what is clear is that if you look at one hundred twenty thousand deaths in this country? The vast vast majority, eighty percent or people that are older and have co Morbid conditions. They should be very careful if if you were heavy. You have hypertension. You have diabetes and you're older. You get this virus. It's a really bad virus. If you're not in those categories, frankly I I'm sort of perplexed about why we've shut down the national economy and created thirty five million unemployed people. While, we shut down the economy and Perot country in a bad position and I really really love to see the real numbers sometime. How far down the road do you think we'll be able to get the numbers? You said you have a team working on it, so I think I think in a matter of a week or so. We will have pulled together certainly the numbers that we can get out. Out of every one of the fifty states, we will be able to show how many deaths how many people went into the hospital? What was their age? Because there are certain basic statistics when someone dies, that are of course, reported into the state health departments. I'm not sure we'll have perfect comparability across all fifty states, and we're GONNA put that up on a website of some kind, so people can actually see. See it start to track it because the national narrative, the national conversation about this disease I was recently at the Mayo Clinic with one of my family, members and doctors at the Mayo Clinic commented to me. They have far more people at this point that are sick for other reasons because they haven't gone to the hospitals, they haven't gone a check on their heart or to take care of their their other. Other, medical condition than their risk of dying because of this and yet everyone in this country has been put into you know essentially a perilous lockdown a fear when in fact me, I think the data's going to reveal that the people that are truly at risk or a much more identifiable and much more narrow universe of our population, and the deaths that are happening outside of that identified number, really quite small. John Treasures I live so w back on our show again. When we get the real numbers in the, thank you for bringing to every America's attention and we'll catch up again, so thanks for having me John. This is the trunk boat will be right back.

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AI Today Podcast: Are Legal Digital Assistants the future? Interview with Rick McFarland, Chief Data Officer at LexisNexis

AI Today Podcast: Artificial Intelligence Insights, Experts, and Opinion

30:18 min | 3 months ago

AI Today Podcast: Are Legal Digital Assistants the future? Interview with Rick McFarland, Chief Data Officer at LexisNexis

"The today podcast produced by called melinda cuts through the hype and noise to identify. What is really happening now. In the world of artificial intelligence learn about emerging trends technologies and use cases from cotonou lyrica analysts and guests experts. Hello and welcome to the ai today. Podcast i'm your host kathleen welsh and my co host. Ron smells is actually out on a much needed and well deserved vacation. So it will just be me on this podcast interview today. If you're listening to the today podcast for the first time. Welcome we've been doing this for four years now and this is the podcast to go with. You wanna hear interviews with thought leaders also insight into our ai market trends and adoption and both the public and private sector and also conversations around key topics focusing on. What's happening really with ai today. So if you haven't listened to any of our previous podcasts. Check them out. We have tons of interviews. And we also as i mentioned have different podcasts where we go into various use cases. We also have podcasts around a education as well but some of the best podcasts that we have are with guests. Because we get to hear what's happening with ai today at various organizations so. I'm excited to have with us here. Today rick mcfarland. Who is the chief data officer at lexus. Nexus hi rick and thanks for joining us today. Thanks for having me. We'd like to start by having you introduce yourself to our listeners and tell them a little bit about your background and your current role at lexus. Nexus and maybe for folks. that aren't familiar with lexis. Nexis let them know what it is here. Serve as you mentioned. I am the chief chief data officer for lexus. Nexus and so this usually leads to the question of what you do and most parties i man and so basically i oversee the data governments governance data management data science data strategy. For all of lexis nexis manage. I manage the teams responsible for machine learning and ai development in most of our products and For those of you who those listeners. Don't know of lexis-nexis we actually Provide legal and analytical data all all around the world hundred and sixty two countries. So what else. Can i tell you why i'm also a phd statistician before joining lexus. In two thousand. And seventeen i was the chief data scientist at the hearst corporation. And before that. I was actually i worked for amazon. I manage the retail data warehouse teams and after that the kindle team so i've had kind of a diverse background before i found my way over here to the legal data space. Yeah i was gonna say that's a really. That's a really great and diverse background. So you can bring a lot of your past experiences into what you're doing today and for folks that are listening if you're not familiar with our data for ai event. We actually have rick speaking at our august twenty twenty one event so we encourage you to check that out you can go to data. Ai com dot com. That's data a c. o. n. f. dot com to check it out. I know a lot of our listeners. As always it's free so just register and make sure that you get the link And we're looking forward to diving a little bit deeper into conversations and topics there but you know i want to ask about You know with natural language processing and digital assistants in general. How you guys are using that. What do you see as primary challenges for a adoption especially with regards to those digital assistants and natural language technology natural language processing technology. That's a very interesting question. And i and i actually See digital assistance. And i'm sure you do all over the place. Nowadays in in fact my home alone. I think we have to alexes. And every one of our devices has syria autumn nowadays But what's interesting if you walk into a law firm or doctor's office you probably don't see any digital assistance and i guess the question i always ask myself. I wonder why the where are they at lexus. We think hard about this and so We the real reason that. I think that it really boils down to the difference between what i call consumer grade and professional grade. Ai so let me let me flesh a little bit here. So a consumer data. I is is what i what i would say. Delivers you your daily horoscope or review horrible a headline or you can ask a factual question about in this case. In this case the the digital assistant Alexa can be wrong. And you may not even know it. I mean if it's your horoscope and it's wrong. How you to know and you just kind of go about your day right. So i call that consumer grading i and then So in a professional setting though where where you're dealing with a persons health or their freedom being correct matters and this is where i what i call at least alexis. We refer to as professional grade. Ai space and this is primarily where we operate so so i think Another while i can stop ever second that a make sense the professional versus consumer grade stuff. Yeah you know. That's a great breakdown. Because i think that you're right and we talk about a cognitive with the seven patterns of ai and so we say you know when you're doing a conversational system for example. Well you know in some situations you're right if if we're talking about horoscopes or we're talking about giving me the weather the you know being wrong Okay maybe i get caught in the rain or you. Maybe it's a sunny day. And i forgot to put on sunblock but me being wrong is in. You know the the system being wrong. Isn't that big of a deal but you're right when it comes to more You know life threatening situations or where it really matters or where seconds can matter being wrong is much more serious can have much bigger impacts so when we think about it we go okay. Well maybe in this situation also with recommendation systems. You know if if i recommend a product to you that you end up not buying and it was kind of like out in left field. Then whatever right i mean. Yeah maybe the business. The bottom line is going to suffer but at the end of the day really didn't make much impact on my life that i was buying socks and you recommended a snowblower to me. It was like okay whatever But if i in a healthcare situation then yes it can have major impacts if what you recommend. Is you know a wrong course of treatment or i'm allergic to that medicine. That's exactly very well. So so i think that's. That's one of the key challenges that's why we don't see a lot of the digital systems there. There's another problem though that we face on the legal side that maybe some other Professional situations don't so in another challenge on the voice bay swab. Divide your digital assistance into voice and text based in the voice based assists the assistance. One of the challenges they have is they have to be able to transcribe the spoken query or question into a textual form and this is actually creates a huge problem in the legal space. I don't probably don't know this a lot. But i think it's one of the few places where we have actually two languages in play english and latin one one alive language and went dead language. And there's not a lot of people walking around speaking latin these days maybe the vatican city but So one of the tests. You can always that. I love to try on my alexa. As i always. I throw it a couple of legal questions. Like what can court do. What can court a court do so spontaneous. Or what is the definition of pro se so these are just very typical legal. Legal one questions and as you can see. They have a english sentence with a latin phrase. And if you ask these of alexa that she she tends to get confused or doesn't realize you're switching languages and then here's an even harder. Let me give you heart problems. So a typical lawyer asks very complex questions. Like here's a typical citation. Or here's a funky citation. That i i wrote down that. We came across whatever databases. So this is an actual question asked of our system. It is what was the decision made in batman versus the commissioner. One eight nine f to d what. Oh seven thousand nine hundred fifty one from the. Us court of appeals for the fifth circuit. That's a mouthful right. Can you imagine what alexa siri would do with that question. It would probably just say i give up so I mean quite frankly because it's a it's a consumer grade gadget. It'll probably pivot off of the comic book response. But batman v commissioner is actually a real court case. Nineteen fifty one. So i think it's a adds another another layer of complexity for the legal space on the voice based assistance. Yeah you know and also following up with that. Have you seen issues with getting that legal. Ease terminology in there as well. And how good are these assistance at being able to you. Know really understand enhance. I know you said well. We have english and latin. Which you're right is actually a really really interesting. That i think most people don't think about where it's like. Well yes it's it's kind of all in english what we're talking about here but really we need to be dealing with two languages but then even more specifically just you know lawyer terminology and that legally specifically. How good are these assistance at being able to handle that. Well i've been to lots of. I've been actually a speak on several panels. I've been to several law firms and quite frankly these these digital assistance are sitting industrials in the lawyer's offices They just don't they don't they. Don't respond. they don't actually pick up the context the legal context. They're they're programmed to work in the consumer space and a lawyer is very highly specific came into measurement. A doctor's office would be like And so and then addition one more little thing is the imagine if you have our example earlier where we said you can the horoscope wrong or you can be out in the weather and you may have you know you got a little wet. You've forgotten really you're still gonna use alexa right with a lawyer if if you're in a case or you're getting information and you ask a question of device and it gives you the wrong answer once even once it is unplugged and put away And so i think I think that's the that's the real issue here. Is that the bar. The bars really high and these are these. Things have not been trained. They haven't actually gone to law school as guess what we use around lexis nexis lexis so you know. We talked about some of the challenges but what about opportunities. What do you see as opportunities around this domain specific. Ai driven qna platforms. I actually think. I do think the domain specific spaces the next big leap. I think right now. I think where we've we've invested a lot of time and i think the is shown itself to be very effective in the generic question answering tool right. So you know a lot of times you can say. Hey what's the weather today. And in fact some of the systems today are actually doing what we call turns where the cuny system will actually ask a clarifying question which is turn saying. Did you mean in new york city and if that and if you answered yes ill then give you. the weather. New york actually helps to get to the right answer. That helps remind your answer. Set is very very hopeful. But it's really very few places you can go today for and a. on on complex or domain specific content. So i think a lot of times if you do ask alexa a technical question. And she doesn't know the answer you'll hear her on with I found this on wikipedia. Probably understanding a lot. I don't know if i mean if you're if you're if you're a professional and you go to wikipedia for your information i don't i'm not sure that's the most highly sought out technical resource And so The faulting wikipedia as one of the other challenges. Here it should really you know we. We would want these tools to to a more curated by experts. Source such as you know wendy's curated by doctors lexis-nexis obviously curated by thousands of lawyers and science direct These are all recognize domain. Experts Places of domain expertise that I think the qna platforms should be able to recognize. Hey that's a legal question. I would like to default to a legal expert domain and maybe default to lexus nexus. For example or so. I think there's a lot of opportunities around the days. I think that's the place where we've got to go to next. We're currently a high school high school level. By at least that's the way i refer to it as we need to get moving to the more advanced capabilities and sometimes i think high school is even a structure. These are at cognitively. We have done for the past few years. We did a voice assistant benchmarks and we took four popular A digital systems. We took the alexa siri. Google home and microsoft cortana and we just asked at a series of questions and we found that all of them at the end of the day got a failing grade. Because they're not able to you know they they don't have commonsense. They don't have emotional. Iq they don't understand colloquialisms and even you know with Terminologies with common phrases that people say so There's a lot of issues with it and you're right for certain things. It's okay to be wrong but you know we asked it. How long does does it take to cook a fifteen pound turkey and the first year. None of them got it correct. When you think about well when would i be using these voices systems like well. I probably would be using them. When i'm in the kitchen cooking and my hands are dirty and i can't get access to my phone or computer and so if they're not able to answer simple questions like that. I think about what it could mean. When you're asking the more complex questions that actually have more significant consequences than maybe i. Just kinda burned. my turkey or undercooked. It you know which could have medical consequences right there. That was good. Example of what could go bad right. So you know when we're when we're looking at these digital assistants. What do we need. How do we get to these professional grade digital assistance. So i think. I alluded to this but i think for for really great. I are actually to move to the next level. You need to be able to the i. Assistant has to be able to answer the question. What i would say in one turn with no clarifying questions. So what's really needed here. Is you need to be able to really interpret the context of the question. Really well so where it gets wrong. In my earlier example. It gets the context wrong of batman versus the commissioner at. I had a illegal illegal reference in their the context around that should indicate to the tool that. It's a legal question. Not a question about batman the comic book and so the cuna took a really big lead forward with the direction of what i would call our call. The trans goater technologies. which is the most famous one. Perhaps right now is being called bert. The ert which was introduced by google. Two thousand eighteen. And i think is now being used by google for all of its searches to understand the search queries but This bird methodology has the ability to actually interpret the context of the query in a more clear way than associate the context of the query with a context. The context of answers answers also have context and so this connection of context is really i think. Been the big leap forward at least In in terms of being able to associate create better question answer connections and being able to understand your question and not give you a non sequitur to something. That's not related to your question. And then the other step that we've taken his. The google actually provide this burst. Burt technology off the shelf. And it's been trained to understand the context of a bunch of a generic legal spat. It's basically read the internet. And it's been it can understand generic questions and understand the context of generic questions. That's why you've probably seen an improvement in these The the tools recently in in terms of your generic questions but what you can do with these tools and which would a lexus. We've actually taken the bird model and we've we can find tuna we can. Actually we've taken our. We have about a pet abide historical legal case law data and we have fine tuned. The bird model with the legal data so that it can we take in the context of all the legal documents we have in plugged it into the brain so to speak so basically we took burton in what we say took to law school so now we have a specialized bird model at lexus. We call it illegal bird and so when you ask a legal question it's it puts on its legal brain and it tries to answer as a lawyer would or as because it's brain has been programmed to think like a lawyer and so i think this is the this is the kind of the key areas if as we get to more specialized areas of of of the assistance. They have to really be trained. Or i'm not getting taken to either. Medical school or law. School is really what you have to do to. You have to feed it the everything that the doctors and lawyers read and these these these contextual models will be able to absorb those the language of that profession and then be able to interpret the questions and answers in a better way not perfectly but definitely can tell the example. I gave above the legal question. Not a comic book question. Exactly that is very important. Now i know that you know we we do run into issues still with authentication and you're right. That defaulting to wikipedia or basic searches isn't always helpful. You know for from a professional standpoint and sometimes even from a personal standpoint as well but there's issues especially as you get into more confidential situations or where you need to authenticate. It's a person there's passwords. Maybe it's behind a paywall so you know how are you guys addressing that or are you not yet. Well obviously our information is is obviously behind a log in and a password and a paywall. I guess and i think the way we're currently the that's the way our model is but we are. We are working on ways to open up our data in our qna to be more open to connect to these digital assistance in a more direct way. But that's kind of the challenge. Here is a the the data that's needed train. These things is collected over time. And it's and it's curated by professionals and it has cost companies millions and millions of dollars to enrich this data and and prep it and it is. It is the crown jewels of the company and other companies. I've mentioned before that are data providers so naturally we protected very well and so i think what we're looking for our partnerships with some of these digital assistance and to create pipes between our companies mutual agreed upon secure piping between our companies so that the digital assistants can interact with our data in our intelligence. But again we don't want it to get out of because it is our is our our asset exactly. Yeah i mean. Data is obviously important to organizations in. Its helps make you unique and differentiate you from your competitors because your data is your own so i think that You know that is a struggle. And how do you give people what they need. How do you train your systems without giving away too much so that it can still be You know a good system and you can have everything that you need. But you're not giving it away and spending all of this time resources money In doing so. And i think that you know as as we continue to see adoption especially in specific industries. It'll be interesting to see. How the industry's do progress. There's going to have to be a partnership between the domain data expert. The in order for a company like amazon to create the domain the data asset that we have take many many years and billions of dollars to recreate a data resource as riches legal content that lexus. Nexus has done likewise with medical stuff. I can't even imagine like google has a lot of data. But it hasn't been enriched and and you know thousands of lawyer lawyer hours of spent you know summarizing the data and enriching it and identifying legal precedents and correcting things so there's a lot of investment into it and i think i think what's going to happen for these digital assistance to get smarter and to connect with these resources there's partnerships between the data the data providers are the data experts and the machines the system machines. Yes we will definitely be interesting to see how things you know. Eventually do shakeout in of the industry progresses with that and You know how adoption of that works as well. 'cause you're right at the end of the day you know you can. You can do this. And and data is going to be the company asset but it's only as good as the users that use it right if nobody's using it and you've built something that's incredible than You know hopefully. It wasn't all for not you hope that people are using it so you have to make sure that there's adoption as well and so you're right. It needs to be good. Otherwise people won't use it so This was such a great conversation. And i'm looking forward to your talk at the the data for event. That's coming up so listeners. If you're interested please go to data a icon dot com to register and check that out. But we always like to end our podcasts with our podcast interviews with the same question because we get you know no matter how many times we've asked this question. We always get a different response from guests. So i love to hear what they have to say as a final note. What do you believe. The future of a is in general and its application to organizations and beyond good one So i'll have to make a confession. I grew up in the seventies watching a show called star trek. And captain kirk was my hero and i I always. I always loved it. When captain kirkwood would ask the ship. You know some kind of question and the ship a she would always answer him perfectly. No no clarifying question. Didn't say did you mean this. The ship always provided an awesome answer and Captain kirk and spock. Save the day. I actually think. I actually have that vision in mind as our ultimate end game here as if we could create something like that but i think gerald smith question there was interesting. It's i think. I think it took place. In the twenty second century that was was the sixties so twenty second century. They had this all knowing computer right that was sought for advice. And you would think that you know with all the fear we have of ai. Taking over the computers would just run everything but still in the twenty second century. Captain kirk and spock used all the super advanced technology for advice and they still. They still own the final decision. They still flew the ship. They still did all the all the stuff. So i think I think the future The future of ai is really to really help us make. It's kind of like another analogy would be kind of like an iron man suit. It's really designed to in my head to make a smarter and faster and better at what we do but the human inside is still in control and making the decisions but the decisions are just better more informed so yeah that's a. That's what my fond memories. So like to keep that in mind as i move forward and try to set a vision for lexus. Is well yeah. That's a great answer. You know we we call that idea augmented intelligence where you're taking the best of what the human can do in the best of what the machine can do and combining them together so you're never removing the human from the loop. You're just making. You're just allowing them to do their job or their roller their task better And so that's kind of you know. Sounds like what your vision of the future is where we have this idea of augmented intelligence. Where we're able to just make humans better but we're never going to replace humans through the twenty second century was going to happen after this right after that who knows maybe. The takeover aright reckless. Thanks so much. This was such an incredible podcast. And as i mentioned for really looking forward to upcoming talks so hopefully our listeners will register for that event. And if you've enjoyed listening to this podcast. 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Ready to ROAR?  Michael Clinton

The Retirement Wisdom Podcast

26:55 min | 2 weeks ago

Ready to ROAR? Michael Clinton

"You're listening to the retirement. Wisdom podcast focusing on the changing nature of retirement today and the non financial aspects of a successful retirement transition. Join host joe. Casey and learn from leading experts in the field and the stories of people who created interesting second acts as they share practical ideas and tips to create your own check out our website at retirement wisdom dot com where you can download our newsletter and other resources to learn more about how coaching could help you the best way to support this. Podcast has the head over to apple podcasts and post a rating comment. It's easy and it's free. Join our conversations to get wiser about your retirement. Welcome to the retirement wisdom podcast second. Half of life comes with a tremendous amount of change. Can you get in front of some of those changes and take a proactive approach. Our guest today. Michael clinton is the author of the new book roar into the second. Half your life before it's too late. Michael clinton is the former president than publishing director of hearst magazines in his currently special media advisor to the hearst corporation's ceo. He is also an author and photographer. Who believes that. Everyone should strive to live their fullest life possible to optimize the second half of life an avid traveler. Michael is experienced one hundred twenty four countries in his run marathons on seven continents is a private pilot and a part owner of vineyard in argentina has started a nonprofit foundation holds two master's degrees and still has a long list of life goals and experiences. He plans to tackle resides in new york and santa fe so michael. Thanks so much for joining us today. It's great to be here with you. Joe i'm excited to have this conversation. Really your book and our listeners have heard your bio but before we talk about your book roar but what if you could tell us more about your story starting with coming to new york city but sixty dollars will yeah. You know i. I've from pittsburgh pennsylvania. I came from a working class family. I wanted to go to college. And i had this dream. I was the publisher of my university newspaper. I had this dream demeaned publishing business. And so i came to new york with as you said sixty dollars in my pocket and the couch asleep on for a couple of months no contacts and said okay. Let's begin and you know like any young ambitious percent. I found my way took a little while. But i found my way and got my first job actually as a journalist for a business publication at fairchild and trump publications and then i moved into publishing side and i was launched. So i've spent a little bit of an anomaly. Because i spent forty two years in the magazine publishing industry and closed out that chapter as president publishing director of hers magazine so as i like to add a good run and it was a great experience to start from the bottom and work my way through. So yeah so. You've written the book about your mother in your grandmother. What did you learn from them about the second half of life the interviews that i did in the book with forty individuals by calling the reimagined. Nears these are people who in midlife made big changes in their life. Work personal professional mother. Who is a great inspiration. Was i call her a serial reimagined near she was in her early life. She was a non. She left the convent. Shave ultimately obviously married my father. They had six children. She was a homemaker when most of the kids were grown up. She made a decision to become a travel agent starting from nowhere and ended up traveling. Lots of places around the world as then when she was sixty four jazz. My father for divorce no other people involved. She just wanted to live a different kind of life than he did and she did that. For another twenty three years before she passed on so she had courage and she had vision and she had a a true sense of where she wanted to be. Go during the course of of her life so she was a great role model. My grandmother didn't have much education at all was just one who always believed in vision and vision in your future and focusing on it. She and my grandfather had a small business and she too was an inspiration just in terms of instilling that in me and others the possibilities of what can be in all periods of your life. Is you know as well as the second half so two great women who were great influences along with my father and a couple of other teachers that i had along the way so the title of your book is roar into the second half year life before it's too late. But what does the acronym roar stand for ya. Thanks you know first of all my the awareness was that if you're fifty and your healthy today you have a really good shot at living to be ninety and or one hundred and the construct that we were handed by our parents and by both government policy in corporations is very outdated construct. In the days they were developed in the days when things were life expectancy quite honestly was nearly sixties. And so you check out a job and you wouldn't live much longer while all that's changed as you know so roar in the acronym that stands for is designed to help people. Have that aha moment about this. So they are as reimagined yourself and be one of those reimagined years before others do it for you whether it is being laid off or pushed out or any of the above. Reimagining your favorite future. Especially if you're gonna have this long life arc the ozone who you are at midlife. I like to call it in midlife awakening not midlife crisis because once you've lived twenty five years. You know a lot about yourself so use that awakening the you make good decisions bad decisions just kind of own them and sort of assess where you are right now but at the same time own your numbers. I mean take a bow. It's amazing to me. Joe how many people i ask. What's your blood pressure your heart rate and they're completely clueless and you know that's not a good thing because as we live longer we need to keep our health numbers in metrics in place our financial numbers. We need to own our successes and our failures so own. Who you are as big part of this book is act on. What's next for you and be courageous. I decided my mother's experience. But act now this concept called life flaring which. I hope we can get into and talk about and then the final ours. Reassess your relationships because when you're in midlife and you wanna make a change in whatever part of your life you're talking about you need the support of your family. Your friends your community your colleagues. They're the ones who are going to help. Facilitate that and so you got a really have a clear clear head as to who they are in who your posse will be to get you there. So it's kind of this four step process which is in the book which stands for roar twenty to think about it. What misconceptions do you think people have about the second half of life based on your forty interviews another conversation event. Well i think the one thing that i would say is that we are wired. Think about what a fifty plus life is supposed to be which is outdated concept so the biggest mistake people make. Is they create self-imposed ages. And so i like to say it's not age appropriate. It's person appropriate. Because you can parent fifty. You can start a new business at sixty five or seventy. You can get remarried eighty. I mean there's a lot that you can do in terms of creating your person appropriate approach to second half in a we live in a culture of ageism to begin with both words and images but so it's a constant fight that the individual has to have but i find that most people put barriers around themselves and these forty individuals who told their amazing stories. They were able to free themselves of that that barrier and go back to school at a later age starting new careers starting to relationships and they don't buy into what they were told they're supposed to do and they're making their lives bigger not smaller. Which a lot of people do is they move into their sixties seventies and eighties mentioned life flaring. And that's one of the big ideas among many that. I'm taking away from roar. How have you personally layered your life over time you know. I think one of the things that i realized that the young age two things one is that we all sit in a professional seat in. It's really a bad idea to have your self identity tied up into that seat because someday seat's gonna go away so you're going to have to think about how you are going to redefine who you wanna be so life. Layering was the concept. I started when i was around thirty nine years old and thought all i was doing was working working working and invested in my professional seat. I was the publisher chiku. Great job but i started to build this new idea of life layer in my forties when i call my adventure years because that's when i started doing a lot of great adventure travel and became a pilot by one hiking mountains around the world and i kept that layer going and i continue to keep that layer going and my fifties were my when i call my creative years with a lot of photography and writing books that i published a mike photography and not layer keeps going so when i stepped out of the day to day you know i had multiple layers going on as to how i define myself so it was adventure and it was creativity and it was philanthropy and it's entrepreneurialism and so when i stepped out i had this whole other sense of who i was and the issue that a lot of people have. Is they wait until they get there. And they say. We'll figure it out when i get there. And then they struggle and have a hard time so it is this notion of layering creating layers as you go along in your life so that you have a richness as you get to your second half and then keep going. That's interesting because i hear that so much from people in terms of the non-finish retirement. How hard can it be l. Just wing it. But what you're saying is is such an advantage to starting early doing along the way. So you're ready. Yeah absolutely doing it. Along the way a lot of the folks that i interviewed in this book it took him. They didn't do the what i'm espousing. The life layer in concept over a lifetime. What they did is. They spent a good one to two years figuring out what they wanted to do next both for a a developmental standpoint and then from the concrete steps the actual practical things that they needed to do to set themselves up as they sort of pivoted out a first career and for many of them it was starting a second career in a whole new area maybe it was throw passion or a hobby or through education but it put in the time they really put in the deep thinking to figure out how to do that get themselves shut off so looking at your backgrounds reading your book hearing you just talked with a couple of examples many more in the buck of the fascinating things that you've been involved in people listening might think man must take a lot resources to be able to build a layered life but i know from the stories in your book include people from all different types of backgrounds. How is a layered life in your opinion more accessible than people might think if i glance it's a great question and i'll start with something around the concept of lifelong learning in education because many people say is there in mid forty five fifty. Whatever i'd love to go back to school and learn something else and do something else. And you're a great example of that and but a lot of people say what i want. I don't have the money to do it or the time. Well first of all we make the time for the things that are important but there's an enormous amount of money out there for adults who want to have it. And whether it's pell grants or federal grants or some states you when you reach a certain age you go to college for free in the state university system so there's always a way. One of the great stories in the book was fifty three year old woman who is a book editor who decided she wanted to become a doctor which is a very complex and long process and what she did is she found the path and she found it through funding and financing. Her irrigation through all of these different sources and she got her entire education abundant for so i think education. There's no excuse if you wanna learn something new. It's accessible to anyone. And plus there's a lot on mooks if you're familiar with mooks asks open online courses where you can learn new things and get certificates and retrain yourself to do something. It's just a question of being imaginative in an innovative and creative. My wife says i'm a lifelong learner. In my case. Because i have so much more learn. Go great great line right line. That's a great thing so people go through different phases and stages and sometimes you encounter an enemy called inertia so it's a big enemy some type of life that you're outlining when people feel stuck in almost like they're not going through the motions. What should they do to pivot. Was just having this discussion the other night. Because i think that as people get into. Let's say the early sixties and they start thinking about leaving their first career and they start planning what they begin to realize is for the first year so you might like the freedom and you might like the. I can do my own schedule. I can go do my sports activity. Whatever it is and hopefully. There's a fitness activity in their life. I go visit my family and my friends cova decide. But i think they also have this realization that wow i may live another thirty years so this sort of post first career year two is not going to sustain me for thirty years and i think that becomes a huge motivator for people to start thinking about how am i going to have value in my life and how am i going to be able to deliver value in might lice and i always like to say go to ninety and work backwards and right what it is that you have contributed to the world to the community to your family which legacy like. What do you want to do. And i think those kinds of mental exercises get people out of inertia and start thinking that. I i better find another meaningful path because i think most people at this stage of life they do one purpose and they do want meaning and they do want to be continued to be engaged in the irrelevant and so that those thoughts alone get can get you out of russia and i loved the question you mentioned earlier. That's in the book. What's your favorite future. Yeah people always get stumped by that. They start all already made go out a few years. What is it that you're hoping to accomplish what you wanna do. And i think that that happens that question. He can ask that question at any time in lice. I remember asking my mother not question when she was about. Eighty three or eighty four and my mother's response was to have a happy deaths. And i was like okay. Mom i think when you're that age you start thinking about end of life and she died in her sleep peacefully so we were blessed that she didn't go through a lot of pain and agony. But i think you asked that question to people all the time i asked twenty year. Olds that question. I s fifty year olds that question. It makes people think because we have to be in a constant state of rewiring. Rethinking our lives. It's a lifelong process. So yeah it's really a good question to ask people in it's great to bring it back because if you ask a six year old that question you get a lot of answers with a lot of enthusiasm somehow we lose that that ability to think about that. We definitely lose that. I always say to people go back to your earlier younger self and ask yourself. What did you leave behind. It was of interest to you so in your case michael. You complete a master's at columbia at sixty seven nonprofit management. What was it like to back to school in your sixties. And how are you involved in the not for profit sector today. Well i have to admit going back to school in your sixties can be a little daunting the first thing i had to learn which was was significant was the technology and the learning platform which was canvas in that had his whole new set of technology that i had to master which i did i was totally stimulated by the program. It was twelve courses. You know needless to say i was one of the older folks in the program. And i brought a lot of value to the younger professionals. They brought a lot of value to me. It was interesting writing papers again taking tests and having to participate in group discussions. But the reason. I did it is. I love the sector. And i'm on multiple nonprofit boards on pace university's board international center of photography advertising council. I have my own foundation. I really liked the sector and wanted to be engaged in the sector. So i wanted to teach myself a lot more about it which was really blessing and yes i was a. I became a proud graduate of the master's degree at the age of sixty seven and it just also reminded me. Lifelong learning is such an important part of how we continue to expand our minds. Because the minds as you know is a great muscle so yeah it was great. It's great fun. So new topic marathons seven marathons on seven continents while to which one was the most challenging. How does it venture help in the second half of life. So i'm one of less than a thousand people in the world. Who done that feet. Which i learned which is kinda cool. It really started. I was a marathon runner in my younger years. And in my mid fifties. My sister called me and said. Would you like to run a marathon with me. And i said well when you start running. She said tomorrow so. Okay i got one more in the so. We decided to go and run the london marathon because it was her birthday week until a bunch of family went over and we we ran the race and the night before we had gone to a party hosted by runner's world magazine which we published and i met a guy who had run seven marathons continents and i was like cheat. That is really fun idea. So we didn't think much of it but then after the was her first marathon. She said i'm ready to another one so well let's do another one somewhere else in the world so we went to buenos aires and we ran that one and then we just kept going round one a year and i think the one that when we were asia rather than pick a street race like tokyo or singapore. Let's do something really out of the box and we'd picked picked A race in mongolia which was way up in the north in the mountains and it ended up being a mountain marathon. Which is something. I'd never done before. Very challenging out in the middle of nowhere in the wilderness. Following green markings on stones and trees obviously no spectators and occasional yak. We lived in yards and it was one of the most amazing experiences of my life and what it taught me. Aside from the challenge of it is that we have to continue to challenge our own boundaries and push ourselves in ways that we didn't think we could and so that was a really great learning lesson about the marathoning and the challenging running. Antarctica was a challenge unto itself an amazing experience but the the one in mongolia was really amazing so i still run a marathon a year. You know in the book. I read about a guy who was the first one hundred year old across the finish line in america thousands singe and i had the opportunity to meet him. And i'm like. That's i don't know if i'd be running marathons at one hundred but i'm sure gonna try. That's great what's up next well. This year is kind of a wash because pandemic. But i'll do another one next year. I kind of liked the smaller ones in the marathoning world. A smaller one means fifteen thousand. People i liked in dublin. I rent toronto. I like the smaller. The big sixty thousand people marathons can be a little daunting one of them will. It'd be one of those at that size. If you think about all the stories that you have new book. there's a lot of great ones. Is there one story that you'd like to share with people to give them a sense of roar his sense of the buck yachts forty beautiful stories. I mean i think one of the stories always inspired me is a guy named jim gaffe. Who when he was fifty. He lost his business. His wife left him and he realized that he had a drinking problem. Any out dakota to deal with that. And he said he was sitting under a tree and he said well the futures mind to do whatever i wanna do and he got involved with horses and he ended up getting with some family members. Have a horse sanctuary in arizona and they take abuse and neglected horses in and then they use those horses for autistic adults and children in terms of horse therapy. And he's done this now for a decade and he's in his late sixties and he said you know. I spent my first half of my light chasing materialism and all the things we were supposed to do what we're told we're supposed to do and this fork. I'm doing now. Is the most rewarding work. It's my life calling and you know it took some world crisis in his life to get to that place because he was kinda humming along. And so that's what i mean about reimagining before something or someone does it to you be proactive. In jim story is a great story. He just you know. Continues to thrive in the great work. He's doing in michael less question. What's the main message of roar that you want people to take away from your book. You know the main message is a a true to yourself and go back to. What did i abandoned. It is mine. Or what did i compromise. It was mine that i shouldn't have compromised in some great stories in the book on this to a guy whose father said the amal only patriot college education if you study business and he really wanted to be a social worker bee in the social justice space and it's shifty. He had a meltdown. Because he said what am i doing. You know. I had this twenty to twenty five year in business career successful but he just couldn't go on with it any further so he he loves his job. He took some time off to traveling and he had an epiphany when he did this. I o oscar ceremony in peru which likely familiar with and he saw himself as a seventeen year old and he said. I'm so sorry that i abandoned do. And he came back and he's now in the social work social justice space. I tell a story in the book. Rob smith and couldn't be out there so i think being true to yourself and being true to your what you really want to do with your life i really want to experience your life and the things that really matter to you. You got course correct. It's you abandoned. And following your own. North star is what will bring you fulfillment and satisfaction and enrichment in your life in a lifelong way. So that's my message. True to yourself. Brit message in michael. Thanks so much for taking the time to share your insights with us jobs great to be with you and thanks so much for your interest in roar available now on all platforms. Xm michael clinton for talking with us today about his new book roar for inspiring in you to think about new ways to re imagine your future here three things that jumped out to me during the conversation. There are many more in the book. That'll get your attention first. Thing is his stance on reject ageism. Have you ever had anyone say to you. I don't think that's really age appropriate. I love what he said. Thank what's person appropriate. Not age appropriate number. Two is his concept of a life layering when he didn't tell you today but is in. The book is that that came up because he decided at one point. I think it's thirty nine or so. If he was the most boring person he knew inside the change. That in boy he certainly something he has and what he decided to do was to create a new layer that he could add. What could he adds to his life. There'd be interesting and meaningful and fun and so a question for you is. What's that one thing you could lay at. What's at new layer. You could add to your life this year and crops next minds me. What andy robin recently talked with us about hamas life. What's one thing you can add on. What's at small plate. Small meal you can add into the mix to start doesn't have to be a big thing. What's next project for you. Number three is his question. That's the one that i'll conclude on. What's your favorite future worth met surf. You're listening to podcasts. You probably done some work on preparing financially for your retirement. Let's face it you them work this hard to just haven't mediocre retirement. So what if you prepare just as well on the nine finish site. They'll help you be ready to really create that life dreamed about really works hard earned in. You'd be positioned to be able to avoid some of the pitfalls that the real too many retirements tech he's pitfalls in no joke because they can waste your most valuable lesson your time so instead investing time thinking about how you design your new life think like an owner invested in time to explore your options and discover the path. It's really the right one for you on your terms it's your time now and time to get ahead mccain check out our website. Retirement wisdom dot com. You'll find all our podcast episode. You can brass there as well as free tools and if you'd like to schedule call discuss our design. Your life coaching programs. You can do so rhythm site. Thank you so much for listening to retire wisdom. Podcasts will be back next week with new episode. Thank you for joining us today on the retirement wisdom. Podcast you can listen to all episodes of our podcast by subscribing to them on apple podcasts. 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The First Time | Legalize Drugs | The Toasty Podcast Ep 22 Part 2

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The First Time | Legalize Drugs | The Toasty Podcast Ep 22 Part 2

"Toasty. Have you ever smoked weed me? Yeah. And and it wasn't like A. Breath taking moment. You can't. Always like. Just. Let me tell you the first time. Smoke Pot we it was my buddies addict Ron High School, and we went to his win to his attic and. Is. Parents were literally directly below us like directly below. So stupid. Just looking back. It's like how could you just try to get caught and so? Easier to frigging like in. The attic ventilation it's GonNa Smell, and everything. In. We had this little office Max Payne we. Emptied all stuff out and just had this hollow tube and then. Tr- drove a hole in it, and then put this foil for like a little. You know like bowl thing and then and then sealed it with Plato's was unhealthy thing. You could possibly smell because those guy. Stick. I'm not sure if it was like the weed that got me stone or like all the or all. Those the first on news. Watch Mad Max. Group like five of us we wash Mad Max. I have no idea what's going on I? Feel I have a feeling of I'm sober Sobhraj. Not What's going on? I never seen that movie before so. Weird Yeah we're times. But Anyway I, think we're going with this is the legal age no one of the start. Yeah. Wanted to get into it. Talk about like first time for me was you know Like a few years ago right and. where I still don't like dude a lot at all actually really it's. For the job obviously, you know what I mean you can't but. It wasn't what I was getting at when I asked you it wasn't really a breathtaking moment where. You grow up thinking that it's some like. Just out of this world thing. When you get up to it when you step up to bat. The Normal Baseball, right? Yeah. But make sense. Cigarettes. Now that I know the differences and I know what they consist of cigarettes are definitely worse. Oh God hands down worse now going with that. Based on this stuff I started doing research on you know different. Drugs and you know obviously you eat on netflixing you watch the freaking PABLO ESCOBAR DOT Argue Watch narcos not even undocumented to freak show but does. Does follow his life pretty well. And Interesting Guy Realize That it was never about a you or me. Wasn't about your safety ish out think. people are not stupid I. think that people know when they see someone die of something, they may not necessarily want that. Right. So you WanNa talk about people that dude anyway, we have it. There's. Anyway, they know they're going to die well, I don't think. So where did this all start and I started doing all his freaking research like why would anyone ever want this you know and and? You know. I. Get down this road. I'm finally at the end and I'm seeing. What the government has done and I think that. They did it for. Money And politics. Politics. And Definitely international politics and I feel like. Now they may be the ones keeping it going. and. This I came to this conclusion before we even before even hit this year this is conclusions I've had forever I've been able to local forever this year just awesome up upright. 'cause I keep hitting these points where it's like, why is this the weight is government? Why is this the way? It is government wise this the way it is governments all these things piling on piling on piling on and here I am doing a podcast about it. GOING WITH THAT Legal Substances? I think should be. Universal Universal there should be a legal substance. Yeah. Yeah I think. I think if arsenic is legal I don't see why like heroin me. So you're telling you can't get addicted arsenic I, get that and in my thing is I don't believe in. Government giving you clean needles and stuff like that. That's Their addicted to heroin anyway Muslim make it safe. It's like no, it's not the government's responsibility at all healthcare's. That it's it's it's an individual's responsibility not to do heroin and you're making it easier on purpose. Yeah. I'm no longer under the impression that it's for safety I'm tired of believing that in. Were really comes down to his. Games they tired of bleeding conspiratorial but it it's big. Pharma Big Pharma suppressing the suppressing the medicinal use of marijuana. sounds crazy when I say it out loud but the medicinal use of cocaine. It was used as a medicine for one hundred years. Hundreds of years before it was outlaw people are crazy. It was in coca-cola is still isn't Coca Cola. True. Facts still includes we're not. Sit cocaine that's unlikely. Dumping kilos into the coca vats or anything but the COA leaf is. I think. That Gif I want to say, it's New York. To See some Colombian guy like that guys that But. The. New York. Go Straight from Columbia to this one only one location in the entire. US never special federal exemption to produce. To produce a by product of the coca leaf in its is a main ingredient in coca. Why Coke? Is the way it is there's no substitute for coke. Coca Cola. Yeah. Yeah. Okay Wow. Dr Pepper Right. Great. I'm a I'm a Texan, but doctors know my favorite. Flavors Bro and none of them include. Kane weird drink. Well not. On. Drugs. Caffeine's drug, Milk Jug. Do you WanNa talk about frigging drugs being illegal. Addiction Mental. Yeah it's not. It's whole. Today's at all I would say at all but it's not substance based at all it can be genetic. That's about all I believe is more. Genes that are the contract addiction. Or Yeah. The rest of it's definitely just. It's all mental yet. For. Sure. A lot of his mental, a lot of environmental. If everybody around US doing it, you're going to do to that's still meant, right? Yeah. It comes back but everyone wants to blame these substances for being addictive. It's a is it? No No but how did they market cigarettes when they came out? Well. There have a smoke everybody was doing tobacco I mean tobacco became popular in the. Yeah you're. Right everybody. I've also done like June tobacco tastes totally different. Right. Closure was was smoking tobacco. Smoking pipe tobacco that was the common method, and then they started rolling it into cigars on eventually cigars became cigarettes because they were mass produced in inject with all these crazy crazy. Now now, people have finally had enough research money to research. Different types of different types of weed or what's in marijuana and been able to separate it out. Now have CBD oil this D. Cream that you know CBD pills or whatever the heck they are and thc this and whatever and. I've got I know people that are given CBD to their to their dogs. Yeah. Let me see. It's a pretty benign substance. It's whatever my my. My point is it always seems the track that. We learn. That what's been illegal? Or something that's crazy to people turns out has good things in it. Yeah absolutely and there's never. Why can't we? Why? When are we gonNA learn that and just be like. Whole on before we just stop and say it's all bad. Let's. Let's research this a little bit more. It's just like we were talking about emotionally emotionally stopping. In reacting and making the Patriot Act. Let me rephrase being reactionary and making the Patriot Act with emotions is not good. Stop think look back. When we when did we even when did we even make all the substances legal? So. In the those huge scare campaign in a lot of people say it's from William Randolph hearst because he owned of timber companies in Hamp was replacing timber as the main source of fiber for paper and for cardboard and all that stuff rope. Was it actually? How much of a competition was that huge? For Real. Absolutely. Yeah. Hemp is way more useful than than timber. Okay I guess there's more efficient. Safe. For, the environment. I know I know that they already had such a big. Like Timber Company and they had a big like you know. The first expert of the of the colonies. Okay expert. So I'm saying, how was how did it catch the hip art catch up to the to the manufacturing status timber because hinders way easier to manufacture than timber? Oh, don't grow old tree you're growing plants you grow. Your about you chop it down and the methodologies. Super Easy. You just like whack it until until the. Iraq. The stock until the fibers break apart and you eat the fibers together whatever you want you can compress him into you can. You can make plastics out of it give me plastic side of him I've heard about that too. You can make close you plastics you make rope. See My my thing is too is that Did they make growing hemp illegal. the only place legally us for was legal in the US it's still is is Kentucky. Because they've had vast fields of hemp to grow hand on, but you can't grow him California list for. I think you will hemp is totally different than it's not the same thing. No. Of Cannabis but. So, him has a very low THC or tetrahydrocannabinol. Level I've heard that you have to smoke a joint the size of a telephone pole to get high off of him. Which is Saying why did so why did they all of a sudden be umbrella under cannabis in illegal because? Of William Randolph hearst supposedly, he owned newspapers right in the Nineteen Thirties and early and late twentieth. How do you own all of newspapers? Her Snooze heard of the hearst corporation. Monopoly on newspapers it wasn't a monopoly. There's thousands of newspapers across the US. They weren't having been since the US around the printing printing presses have been around for forever. As as early as the eighteen. Seventeen eighty and seventeen seventies. Seventeen sixties. Printing press was becoming more popular and more available to printers. All these little like microbreweries breweries like after Jimmy Carter League is `boring. Is like all these different Small newspapers sprung up everywhere and so people were getting information like that. It was like the Internet of time. and. Of course, the post offices delivering these newspapers. So that's how they're making money. Everybody reads newspapers back. Then everybody who could read which wasn't everybody. Probably like forty percent of the population at the most holy cow where he presented, I should say forty percent of the white population. Yeah. Probably one percent of slaves were literate I mean obviously they weren't gonNA allow them to be and so it. Was Illegal. So in the Nineteen Thirties William, Randolph hearst owns these newspapers will because he's a smart businessman, he also owns the timber companies that he buys the paper from. Yeah. So he doesn't want those I don't know why didn't just by all the him companies that's the thing. That's why this whole thing all a lot of sense I've heard it from other places but. Essentially, there's there's this huge push by the Herr's corporation and others to basically make campaign marijuana the same thing horrible. There was a movie called Gosh. What was it called something. Madness like. Kosh Madness Herbert Marijuana. Or something Let me look. Reefer madness. So reefer madness was as movie in the thirties one say thirty. Thirty Mattis what reefer madness and it was just the most racist vile piece of garbage movie. I mean, it's got like thirty nine percent rotten tomatoes. So yeah is this is raises basically said that like all these white women were being raped by by these black men that were high on cannabis you know. All. This garbage. Racist Garbage total miss being perpetrated by. This movie. And popular sentiment. Popular movie back in the day you're you're talking about movie. Who thinks that movies are controlled by the government now? The knock I don't think they are at all I don't think they are no nothing Hollywood has anything China has more to do with it. They absolutely haven't wanted. I'm just saying you seen them about this movie that was basically designed to scare people into not wanting yet. We'll hers probably owned I mean he does newspapers you think you might own movie studio or two yeah. So you make sense. Okay. He had already invested all along those money in in timber timber industry. So he's like I don't need this hemp stuff getting popular. Manufactured so easily. So he ran a campaign against it eventually got lumped in the same category and they outlawed everything completely Late thirties or forties. Yup and then it was like it's bad for you. We gotTA outlaw if it's bad for you in addicted, we've got outlaw. And then they started doing with every substance. That's how the Eighteenth Amendment came into being the prohibition Seventeenth Amendment Seventeenth. Amendment Prohibition Eighteenth Repeal of Prohibition I think I might be eight, hundred, seventy on well. Yeah. So they realize how bad of an idea prohibition was. Franca. Hall I think they're starting to realize how bad it is. We're just married. Things are starting to realize how silly it is to to. Outlaw marijuana like thirteen or fifteen states have legalized. It completely know why I mean like straight up you revenue. Well not not only that but you're talking about how we're realizing this stuff all of a sudden and you know. I'm going to say it has to do with with our generation. You know even you said that our generation is gonNA, change things. Yeah for sure. Yeah. We're not. We're not gloating. Are they saying that we're looking at crowd is crap and we're like, what? Why why is this been going on? So long toasty.

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Fulfilling Your Dreams At Any Age

Duct Tape Marketing

20:23 min | 3 months ago

Fulfilling Your Dreams At Any Age

"This episode of the duck tape marketing podcast is brought to you by fiber business. Fiber connects your team with expert freelancers and provides a powerful workspace to manage all of your projects and budgets more efficiently old welcome good other episode of the duct. Tape marketing podcast. This is john chance to my guest. Today is michael clinton. He's the former president and publishing director of hearst magazines and currently serves as special media advisor to the ceo of the her corporation. He's also the author of a book. We're gonna talk about today. Roar into the second half of your life before it's too late. So michael Welcome to the show. John thank you so much great to be with you today. So the first obvious question ask you is how old are you. I am a proud sixty seven. All right so i wish to baseline that you've at least entered. Perhaps what is the second half of your life but another question. I had to ask is. What's your favorite hearst. Publication says. i'm a male esquires. Always been one of my magazines. But i have had twenty two children. So it's very hard to pick the best oprah magazine which up launched which was most successful magazine launch history. I love runner. Runner's world. Because i'm on and on but i love them all equally. John i understand that. I as an unfair question. But i i've been in esquire subscriber. I started subscribing. Maybe right when. I got out of college. So it's been it's been a few years and my wife got the inaugural. Oh magazine that was about that. Go back to press on that one. It's crazy so let's get into the book a little bit or topics of the book. What is there anything that led you to say i. I need to write a book about or at least explore this idea of making the second half of your life something that you would roar into yet no thank you i think one of the great. Inspirations actually the book was conceptualized. Because as i was leaving the day to day about eighteen months ago i wanted to give up if you well alaska my management team. I had a couple hundred people in the room. And i had conceptualized this idea because it's really about not just work but about lights lifestyle relationships and everyone loved it and someone said to read a book on this topic of course game so i went through the process. But here's a gist of it. If you're forty five in your healthy today is more than likely that you're gonna live another forty five years and if you're sixty once upon a time you would start thinking about what was called retirement and you would maybe get a ten year stretch today at six day i like to call it rewiring you can rewire and have another thirty years of life and have a second career or even third career separate lifestyle distinct new lifestyles future relationships. It's going to be a long stretch. So the traditional definition of what was sixty kloss. Let's call it. A fifty plus is being blown up every day. it's just not as relevant as it once was for our fathers far grandfather. So i wanted to shed some light on that and i interviewed forty incredible people who all have had major hits in their life post forty five. Let's call it really inspirational stories. And i told a few of my own own experiences but it was really a labor law but lots of tools and resources in the book to is to how one can do it and there. I think this is been going on for a few years. But they're sort of an intention to like this second stage as opposed to. I do think you talked about our fathers and grandfathers. You just ambled into retirement here. I am and i think that there's an intentional idea of no. I'm going to plan this next thing. And i'm guessing you're you're saying it could maybe be better than the first half. It doesn't have to be like giving up exactly one of the things that i found with all these people that really transform this as i call them the reimagined ears among us is. They're very curious very passionate about life in general out lifelong learners and my did something very people say to you. I can't even imagine doing it. But i went back to school at Sixty five sixty four to get a masters degree at columbia university. It was twelve courses. I just graduated some new graduate people when you tell them. If they're in the sixties going back to school and take writing papers doing exams they start sweating. I can't even imagine but it was a phenomenal journey. And i learned a lot and i think we shut ourselves. We shut off possibilities for ourselves itself imposed. Because i like to say forget about age appropriate and focus on person appropriate. There are there are a lot of people who are having the first child fifty but there are evil going back to school at six t starting businesses at seven. Who said that. You can't do something simply because you're fifty. Let's say. I must admit having a child at fifty scares me more than college. What but the fastest growing demographic of starting businesses is the fifth year old. And i think that a lot of people instead of saying as you said the traditional career path i retire at sixty five or whatever you know. The age is a lot of people are saying. It's almost like now's the time i've got. Maybe the savings. I've got the the windfall or that i can lean on and so i think that that idea of being an entrepreneur regardless of age i think is has really taken root but certainly with that age group. I'm wondering i hate asking this but it's still going to be around for a few more months. This question about the pandemic. Like i saw a whole lot of career change like now's the time sort of energy that that was probably always there. But just got magnified. Didn't it so funny. You say this because everyone keeps telling me. Boy is your book. Well-timed it's true. I think it was always in our minds. But it got amplified because we all went through an existential moment where we were hunkered down with our selves. Our families are audit pause and a lot of time to reflect and a lotta people had a lot of experiences in being at home that they question. Do i wanna do that. Two hour commute anymore. Do i really wanna live in the city or town anymore. So i think a lot of people were creating their thoughts and i predicted the next couple of years. It'll be an enormous amount of change. You're seeing it already in this phenomenon cult the bit quit eating while we're checking out of jobs. Not just not just leaving their first career early but people in their thirties and forties. Who were saying. I'm gonna. I'm gonna quit and i'm gonna go regroup and do something else. I think there was a lot of application around this article so again you. You don't necessarily right about this. But i'm sure you've encountered people that just can't pull the trigger. And now they want to. They know they should. What does in your experience. What does stop people from owning. What their next chapter should be. It's a great question. I it's all to your head Completely in their head in south imposed post and marathon runner. So i like to. When i'm talking to new runners and they say how do i start running. Why did you buy a pair of shoes over your local high school track and walk around the track once and then twice and then start jogging and then start running. You have to take the first step and so many people are fearful taking the first step. What i like to say is if you've lived twenty five years and you're forty five is an adult and you're forty five or fifty. Don't call it a midlife crisis. Call it a life away you've had you've learned a lot about yourself and if you know that you're a procrastinator then you'd have to embrace that down about you and break through it in order to take that first step whatever that first step is and the first step is was always the hardest because but once you get on a path you start getting momentum than before he'll go back to school thing. I took that first class. And i was like. Do i really want to do this but that first class. I got into the excitement of it. Twelve classes later. So it's really. It's a self imposed barrier that we all put on ourselves so just take that first step. They go back to school. It'd be a really interesting experience for a lot of people. And i'm sure you had some reflection on how much your life experience brought to the classroom. When you're eighteen to twenty was definitely the oldest person there were a few of us. You're over fifty. But most of the people were. I'll take mid-career so they were probably thirty five to forty but yes i did. I had to bite my tongue times. Because i didn't wanna come off as the season Guy who been there done that. But i learned a lot from them and they learned a lot for me. It speak up so yeah it was. It was great and also. I didn't work out sweating a great. And let's hear word from our sponsor. Fiver business fiber connects your team with freelancers high quality services on a budget. These are curated. Top providers over five hunter categories. That have already been vetted for quality and experience. You've got tools to create projects approved budgets manager freelancers. There's payment protection you can count on transparent pricing and payment approval. It gives you the last word every time. And when you sign up you get a designated business success manager to make sure that you are getting your projects matched with the right talent. Sign up for free. Today at fiber dot com. Did the roar in top of being an active word really is an acronym for your four part process you. Have you found a good easy way to unpack that for people. I think that that was one of the book to be understandable to people democratized so that it covered a lot of different types of people that it was easy to read accessible show the acronym the is to reimagined yourself before others do it for you because you you get displaced at work you you get your spouse comes home and says i wanted the boris. God forbid you is a natural disaster in your community. Things happened to you that you have to be equipped to think about but running simultaneous to that. What's your favorite future. What you want. What's important to you so the tools the stories about that. I love the second part. Which is oh own who you are. You really have to own where you are. At the moment we're came from. We've all made mistakes. What are your numbers. Your health numbers or lumper's woody as strengths your weaknesses your failures own it before you can as you asked earlier before you can take that first step you have to embrace all that the a is the action plan and there's a chapter called life flaring which life formula for building a rich life and then the last ours reassess all your relationships work community family. Because they're the ones who were going to be your tried to get you to where you wanna go there going to be your posse of friends and family to to make it all happen silicate you those four parties i in listening to you unpack that i would guess that second are is probably the harder one for some people. Wh what if you'd make that assessment or reassessment and you decide. I'm on the wrong team. Funny you bring this up. Because i'm in. I was in the publishing business from my whole career. And what is it. What is it critical. Word publishing editing matt or editing process that we should use in our lives because think about those that friend you had when you were twenty five and fifty five and that friendship is pretty toxic. Let go you gotta edit. It is hard and you also have to their family members that you have to. You can't repair a relationship. You have to edit out or marginalized for your own well being your own else and i think a lot of people hang onto relationships even work relationships working for a boss that is really a terrible human being. And you can't get out of it or a company or living in a place that you just don't feel that you're those are tough decisions to be able to acknowledge that and step away from it but that reassessment process has to happen and now let's hear a word from our sponsor when your agency partners wicks you unlock an entire digital ecosystem for creating managing and growing your business online so you can run your agency the way you've always wanted to get the full coating designed freedom to create anything. Your clients need along with the tools to manage and collaborate with your team seamlessly from anywhere. And when it comes to growing your business you can get matched with new leads every day and earn revenue sheriff for every website you create. They're all backed with his industry leading security and site performance. You'll also have dedicated account managers on standby twenty four seven. So you can reach your goals and start setting new ones. See for yourself head on over to wicks dot com slash partners and re imagine what your agency can accomplish. Is there an aspect of clean break so to speak. that really helps people turn the page. And i don't mean a clean break like from rome relationship or something but even just even moving to a new location in some ways of forces you to re satellite things is that would you say that's a common step in in the folks you talk to. I think the thing that i talked to that was most impressive with the folks in the book is that they all put in the time for. They made the leap so they put in. I would say it takes two years and it took two years on average when i talked to them to make a major work change to make a major lifestyle change move to another city and relationships start a new relationship in their lot examples of how they went through that process. And speaking of oprah oprah have this great phrase that there's a little voice in the back of your head and it gets louder and louder and it gets louder and you you can ignore it that ultimately it's going to be in front of your head and you've got to when something's not working in your life that you've got to focus onto to change and i think that's the key and so it takes time you have to put in the equity to to help you get there as opposed to just flippantly saying i'm gonna move from new york city to a small town in montana but you gotta take about that because benson time there. So let's shift a little gear in the world. The world marketing a lot of listeners that our marketers obviously or marketing their businesses. And if you look at this demographic that we're talking about their starting businesses that typically have a much higher rate of savings. Investments 401k expendable income. And yet if you were to watch most advertising even in some of the hearst publications even that you would believe that eighteen to twenty five year olds have all the money. So why are people tuning out to this demographic when i think it's probably for certain industries probably their their best. I could do an hour or two on this john. I think the you're absolutely right. The baby boomer generation late bloomers and the the early boomers have redefined. Everything historically joke. They are not brand loyal. It will jump in remember. The old story were chevrolet family. Who's buying tesla's a sixty year old. Who's got the money they're not brent oil. At all they have the income as you mentioned they. There are one hundred and three million americans who are between the ages of forty sixty four. They have the largest wealth but in the end of the first quarter. This is in the wall street journal last week. The end of the first quarter americans ages americans aged seventy and above at a network that nearly thirty five trillion dollars and that is twenty seven percent of all us wealth and marketers have completely missed the point day live in an old world where television the television media construct defined the eighteen to twenty four. You know war and they've not evolved and it. It's more than it's rampant throughout the advertising media world. The images are atrocious. There augist they are talk about inclusiveness that should be part of diversity. Strategy for any marketer is to show dynamic vibrant tech savvy. People over fifty four engaged iran the antarctica marathon to celebrate my sixtieth birthday and to finish seven marathons on seven continents. And people say wow. That's amazing and i said yeah. But when i ran the toronto marathon i so i one hundred year old man crossed the finish line. First hundred old to run a marathon so like we're those images of neutral sixty two hundred doing all these amazing dynamic things so there needs to be a major rethink and professionally. I've reached out to the american association of advertising agencies the association of national advertisers. To say you need to bring images into the world that show what this cohorts all about three weeks. They've got a lotta money and they've got a lot of desire and they've got no brand. Loyalty is a radically different market than it was just ten fifteen years ago and certainly as you've alluded to a very active lifestyle as part of to large degree. Part of that package isn't it. Yeah completely out. Look at all those skiers out there who are getting in colorado where you are seventy some things. I see them them eighty something. You're skiing not whole new definition of noon. One hundred thousand dollar Sprinter van jack. I like to say instead of saying we're getting older. I'd like to say we're living longer and we're doing amazing things. That's absolutely so michael. Tell people where they can find out more about your work and pick up a copy of roar us thank you roar launches on september seven on all the platforms can buy. I'm about to go do the audiobook next week. So it will be hardcover. It'll be kindle. It'll be audio roar. By michael clinton dot com is the website. You can order the book fair. You can sign up for newsletter which is gonna come can follow me on social media linked in facebook or michael clinton about. Have you ever done sat to read an audiobook. I've never done it. It's going to be experienced eight outrage. You've done it. I'm sure i've done. I've done seven times. Yes god breathing is the most important thing focus. If you do any meditation at all really start holding your breath the whole time while you're trying to read you'll get the presents new won't have any energy left so it's literally breathing's the most important element. That's my two cents. I will be thinking of you as awesome. My goes great catching up with you and hopefully we. We're all getting back out there on the road again. We'll run into you in person someday. Tastic appreciate it. Thanks for inviting me all right. That wraps up another episode of the duct. Tape marketing podcast. I wanna thank you so much for tuning in feel free to share this. Show feel free to give us reviews. You know we love those things also. Did you know that we had created training marketing training for your team if you've got employees if you've got a staff member that wants to learn a marketing system how to install that marketing system in your business. Check it out. It's called the certified marketing manager program from duct tape marketing. 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Congressman Peter King 9-27-20

CATS Roundtable

09:40 min | 1 year ago

Congressman Peter King 9-27-20

"Create your story with Pandora and receive a free bracelet. The choice is yours Explorer over 80 bracelet Styles. It's our gift to you when you spend $125 or more than a September 24th through the 28th at Pandora Jewelry free bracelet up to $65 value upgrades available. No substitutions restrictions apply see store for details get your free bracelet from the Pandora store at Town Center. Boston Street or Jackson Heights from September 24th through September 28th. Good morning America. This is the cats round table trying to get some keys here. Send me morning. What is this morning is Thursday a good friend retiring at the end of the year Congressman Peter King a member of the homeland security committee and one smart guy. Good morning, Smith. How are you this morning. I'm doing great anytime a spot guy like who calls me smart. I really feel good. So thank you. Thank you very much. Well, you you have served America for almost 30 years and you you know your stuff off. You know instead about being a democrat or a republican you have common sense, which is even more important in than titles. Give us an update. What's going on in Washington. We have riots against things are happening. We only have almost less than 40 days for the election. What's going on? Well, first of all not very much is going on in Washington. Both parties are stalemated. I think I do need for instance 8 to be going to the city and state governments and Republicans don't want to move on that. I think we have to be much more to be to protect and defend the police the Democrats off the opposite direction on that. They either put aside the police or stay silent when there's violence against the cops. I mean, this is a really a breakdown in society, especially this whole Law and Order issue. I've been in Congress out almost 28 years. I've been in public life one way or the other for almost fifty years and this is the first time I've seen such a breakdown. In civil order even during the sixties and seventies during the dark days of the eighties when crime was getting out of control in New York. There was always a certain stability. That was that now we fight almost except for this way when things were bad people acknowledge. They were bad today. It's considered part of the cost out of people don't like it decision by a grand jury. They're giving a lot and Ryan nothing to lose. They're going to shoot cops. This is somehow able to rid of it and spots and for instance the the undertale a case in Kentucky in that case the grand jury member. I got the Attorney General laid out the findings of the injury very clearly why two police officers were not indicted in the tragic feeling of being on his head and I I agree with the decision, but even if I didn't actually it was a well-thought-out decision or was a all the facts were there showing that the police were fired job. They fired back. The only Taylor was with the person who was shooting at the cops and it's not the police fault that she was caught in the fire. She was there with the guy who was shooting at the cops. She had a prior involvement with a drug deal in Louisville, which is why her apartment was raided. So all this was done the right way tragically. She was killed was not the police officers. And it said, you know, you see right and accept that or rather than try to find a legal way to disagree with that is riots in the streets. And this is what we saw after Georgia Floyd we had weeks and weeks of random violence and riots and where people like the governor and the mayor calling a peaceful process. I was the 74th Precinct nice New York the other day and the commanding officer that a deputy inspector nationality. He's just become he got hit in the face with a brick that night and when they put him in the ambulance the rioters try to prevent the ambulance or taking Into the Dead. And so because the guy was lucky he's alive and I don't remember anybody talking about that instead they if they find that some a millennial got pushed to the ground somewhere that becomes a major case against the Car Fax and copy the face of the brick somehow that's just considered another day at work. So it's really it's a larger issue of society breaking down and people at law enforcement having your hands off and it also is you and I have discussed in the past the fact that what went on during the Obama Administration the why it's happening of a presidential campaign and attempt to really undermine wage campaign using the FBI and CIA people like John Brennan and John called me being involved FBI agents actually altering documents being submitted to the secret Court we have off and to get a yeah why it's not permit. I mean, this is again a dramatic change in in our government you go backwards kennedy-nixon or next Thursday. Country even Reagan and Jimmy Carter one can they be slightly right-of-center the other slightly left-of-center what the differences were all within the American debate now, it's almost like if you have it like a hate America crowd is driving the Democratic party Congressman. I mean, I'm pretty much convinced that there's a force behind some of these people that are that are pushing the peaceful demonstrators and it seems like the FBI has come out and said yes, there are there is a group of people that going from state-to-state home and and they show up where they think that's going to be a protest. I think it was it in Louisville to be a U-Haul truck showed up and they had all kinds of banners in there and and writing material and we find out that U-Haul truck was rented by a Hearst Corporation. Have you heard about that job? I don't know if it's accurate or not. But I've heard that and I've seen enough evidence though around the country where these demonstrations just start over night. I mean, you know, I've been in politics a long time to organize peaceful demonstrations to get people to show up at a certain location that's difficult to put a lot of time and effort into it. But in this case even with the judge voice yelling like within days you had these violent demonstration is appearing all over the country going back to President Trump was elected suddenly had riots and streets you had violence. I was in Philadelphia of Republican media memory in January of 2017 and the writers and demonstrates around to the hotel. I mean, this is really dangerous stuff and and to see the way it was done this time in Washington DC New York City of Portland Seattle all these places around the country and our Louisville the other night or even in New York City where you had demonstrated suddenly out in the street after the decision in the brown dog. Case that has reorganized it has the organizers violent and it's out there and if this was the right wing it was being done. Everybody was screaming their heads off about how terrible and dangerous it was I'm scratching my head would be I direct the re the other day says this achiever people are not organized. Okay, maybe you don't call them and T4, but somebody is organized because that's what they're doing is they're going around and putting out what you call remember them word streak money, you put our tag and one of my friends there was an actor. They tried to hire him and he wanted me to act like a a terrorist, you know, do whatever he has to do in the payment $1,000 a day. Now what I said to some US senators had dinner last week, is that if somebody a source type I'm not saying it's Soros. It might be China and might be Russia. I don't know who it is puts out a hundred thousand dollars a month. And Street money to get these demonstrators because it looks like the politicians only listening to demonstrators which had a hundred thousand dollars in Street money for demonstrations wage millions of dollars in advertising on all the cable channels because that's all the cable channels play is is the rioting they play it over and over and they don't call it riding. They call them peaceful protests a peaceful protest with maybe a few people acting violently. That's the way they described it. Meanwhile the cops are ducking Molotov cocktails and Bricks or the other night as usual in Louisville. Cops being shot. Now. The box is organized. You can't do something this quickly overnight with the force they have with the weapons. They have it's definitely organized. You know, who's behind it? That's what the FBI am looking into and investigating and to me there's no doubt in my mind and keep it is a terrorist organization so violent organization and the way they can spring up all over the place. Scream and Carry Out acts of violence to me. It's the say that that's not a domestic terrorism. I don't know what you call maybe we should change definitions that but no there is a definitely a progressive left-wing violent move this country and we have to do something to stop it and some of them are just actors trying to create the the scene. Well Congressman Peter King, thank you for everything you do for our country you have done for our country continue to do for our country and I'm sure you'll be fighting again in the future and looking forward to talking to you real soon. Thank you John lets you and I always will do stand with the men and women. I agree. This is the cash Round Table will be right back.

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#90: Preventing Physician Burnout through Improved EHRs with Dr. Scott Weingarten

Health Care Rounds

31:52 min | 1 year ago

#90: Preventing Physician Burnout through Improved EHRs with Dr. Scott Weingarten

"Welcome to healthcare rounds. The podcast serving the INS and outs of health policy and business topics as well as on the rapidly evolving healthcare delivery ecosystem. I'm your host John Chica. Ceo of Darwin Research Group and faculty associate at the WTO Carey School of Business and the College of Health Solutions at Arizona State University. I guess this week is Dr Scott Winegarden Senior Vice President and Chief Clinical Transformation Officer at Cedar Sinai. Dr Weingartner is a professor of Medicine at Cedars Sinai and a clinical professor of medicine at the David Geffen School of Medicine at Ucla. Dr Weingarten is the chief executive officer of stance and health a Premier Company. Dr Winegarden was also the CO founder President and Chief Executive Officer of Zinc's health which is the leader for order sets in care plans for electronic health records zinc's health was sold to turn a corporation and later to the Hearst Corporation board certified in internal medicine and a fellow of the American College of Physicians. Dr Weingarten has published one hundred articles and editorials on Health Care Quality Improvement Clinical decision support and related topics and has authored numerous chapters on improving the quality of patient. Care in some of the leading internal medicine textbooks. Dr Winegarden has held positions on myriad national committees dedicated to improving patient outcomes including those of the Institute for Medical Quality and the American heart. Association's get with the guidelines program and the Quality Improvement Committee of the Board of Directors of Saint Joseph's health system at cedars-sinai he has been awarded both the President's Award and the Golden Apple Teaching Award and was alumnus of the year for two thousand nine after graduating from Ucla. Medical School Dr Winegarden completed his internship residency and fellowship in Internal Medicine at Cedars Sinai. He later participated in a National Center for Health Services Research Fellowship at the rand. Ucla Center for Health Policy Study during the fellowship. He also earned a masters of public health degree at the UCLA. Feeling School of Public Health. So Scott just to kick us off one. Aren't you Orient Our listeners in and tell us a little bit about your background thank you John. I'm a internist by training and worked at Cedars Sinai Health System in Los Angeles for many years. Most recently up until a year ago is senior vice president chief clinical transformation officer. I remain on the medical staff Cedar Sinai Professor Medicine at Cedars Sinai and also have founded a couple of clinical decision support companies. The first one called zing cells which is in order set and Care Plan Company which sold to Turner and later to the hearst corporation and then founded a second clinical decision support company called stance and health which we recently sold to premier two of those startups offended. Not Mistaken if I remember from pre interview that those kind of come out of Cedar Sinai is that correct Yes to startups in both have come out of Cedar Sinai. So at cedars-sinai my job has been to come up with systematic strategies to improve the quality of care safety care and improved clinical efficiency and along the way we thought if we could use oh strategies to improve fishing cared cedars-sinai we may be able to export some of the knowledge to other health systems across the country to try and improve the value of those systems and hence we developed a couple of companies along the way to export what we learned in cedars-sinai organizations is that is that common within the culture at Cedars Sinai in other words. Do they encourage this kind of startup? Innovation they do Cedar. Sinai is a entrepreneurial highly innovative organization and actually has enabled to recruit and retain a number of highly innovative individuals throughout the health system for many decades. The Swan Ganz. Catheter was invented at Cedar Sinai. Both Dr Swan and Dr Ganz worked at Cedars Sinai which measured pulmonary artery pressures across the world. I could share with you. Dozens and dozens of other examples. So it's really part of the culture when you come up with that either. Invention strategy software that CAN IMPROVE CARE AT CEDARS Sinai. Could whatever was invented at Cedars Sinai also improve care across the United States in many cases across the world so as a fellow serial entrepreneur. I'm curious what was that process like when a larger organizations. So how did you get started? Have the funding work. Tell me a little bit more about that. I mean we're GONNA get into clinical decision support tools here in a minute but I'm just curious about that whole process. Yes so cedars-sinai has eight fairly well-developed pathway for doing this. Both through technology transfer and also has established a venture fund and so related proceeded like many entrepreneurial ventures someone has an idea cases thanks health and stance in hell that someone was me along with some collaborators and developed a business plan and had a number of meetings discussing the business plan and before renew it. We had funding and off we went. That's exciting the having that even that you have that within that culture that you have the ability to go out there and pursue a dream so to speak and then to do it twice over. That's remarkable will. Thank you I give all credit to Cedar Sinai and the Culture The CEO of Cedars Gentlemen by the name. Thom lack is really encouraged innovation throughout his long more than two decade tenure as CEO Cedar Sinai in his really encouraged many of the faculty and administrators to think up ideas and those ideas that might have commercial merit to try to encourage people to develop business plans further discussed the potential for commercializing the IP. And then also a lot of creative people at Cedar Sinai by the opportunity to work to grow up with an idea into software and software. That eventually was found to improve. Patient care outstanding. So we're GONNA get to that in just a minute but I wanted kind of. T- things up with a recent article that I came across in Mayo Clinic proceedings. They surveyed about remember correctly about twelve hundred. Docs related to e HR a usability and and they also measured Physician burn out and so the ultimately the conclusion of the study was that the usability of HR systems today. So this is recent. This is I think in last month's issue received an F grade by physician users and there was a strong dose response relationship between HR USABILITY and the odds of burnt out so the more favorable the score the lower the burnout Having some expertise in this area with the certainly with decision support what. What's your reaction to that city? Well that's striking on. The service enough grade is not good. No one Ever strives to get enough grade however I provide some context but before I do that. I strongly believe that. Ehr's will get better and get significantly better in terms of USABILITY and we're very far from achieving an end point for context. I let's go to the past and see where we were before. Ehr's in. Let's go to the future when I believe they're likely to be better in terms of usability so if we say by. Gosh they get an F grade today. You have to really compare with something. Let's go to the past for a second in the past. We use paper paper charts paper medical records but if we look at the care we were providing even though it's somewhat easy to scribble notes on a paper medical records the care. We're providing left a lot to be desired. So there were studies showing that care was consistent with the evidence or evidence based care about fifty percent of the time somewhere in the neighborhood of two hundred fifty thousand people were dying each year from medical errors so medical errors or of the leading causes of death in the United States studies in Jama showing about thirty percent of all costs were waste in healthcare and given some of the challenges with healthcare affordability. It's a real shame when thirty percent of our thirty cents on the dollar going to what people view as waste or early says was studied and reported in Jama article in about ten percent of care over treatment where the harm exceeds the benefit or there was no benefit so if we look to the past the four electric health records lots of opportunities that we can do better and we should do better so I do not look to the past before electronic health records glowingly and thinking gee we had achieved an endpoint before electronic health records. Clearly we were letting patients down with the number of medical records your medical errors and the deaths from medical errors and opportunity to be much more efficient and less wasteful. Inner delivery care so here. We are today with electrons health records but clearly physicians are not satisfied with where we are and where we should be and I certainly understand that. I have my iphone and I actually like it. I think it's usable. I like the APPs on it and I understand when I compare my iphone to. Hr How My iphone or other smartphone might be viewed more favorably. But then if we say gee were somewhere towards the beginning or the middle of our journey with electronic health records. Let's take a glimpse into the future and there's a lot of effort underway looking at how ambient listening devices could be used to make. Ehr's more usable and to get higher grades among physicians in the future. So just like we might Alexa at home or Google home and We find them useful. There are a lot of people experimenting with putting Ambien listening devices into the examination room. So in that case that when a doctor or healthcare providers speaks to a patient the ambient listening device understand in many cases through natural language processing natural language understanding a machine learning some or much of the conversation and which allows the doctor to talk directly to the patient rather than typing the whole time and Shins for the patients which is important in the patient and Gordon to the doctor the healthcare provider and then provide guidance to both the provider Mrs Jones is overdue for her mammogram and would benefit from a cholesterol test. And to the patient when the patient goes home so I think the future looks bright. Aren't quite bullish on the future. But I certainly understand the sentiment that you just reported in the mail seedings article that we can and I strongly believe. We'll do much much better in the future. What is the source just as a clinician in talking to other doctors? What is the source of so much dissatisfaction? Is it that they feel like it gets in the way of the patient? Interaction is too many pop. Ups is like because I'm not a doctor and I'm not using these on a daily basis. I don't know so I'm just curious from your perspective on why they're so much disatisfaction. Well I think it's multi factory others a lot of reasons why I think in the past. You sat down with a patient. You look the patients in the eyes and said Mr Jones. Mrs Brown when seems The matter how can I help you today? And now in many cases the doctor or the healthcare provider is typing on a computer and looking at the computer rather than the patient. And that's in many cases less satisfying for both the patient and for the healthcare provider when doctors go home there in baskets are full of reminders. Information that have to do with the care of the patients. They took care of either that day. Or in the recent past. In some cases there are a number of alerts so an example drunk. Driving alerts so drug a interact. Dry Be those alerts. In many cases used to go to pharmacists now. In many cases they go to healthcare providers. So there's a whole host of reasons why physicians are burnt out something to do with the electronic health record reasons Well beyond the electronic health record where a physician burnout which is a very very important subject and extremely concerning. We're hearing a lot more about it today than we did in the past just as an outsider. It seems to me that a lot of a lot of the administrative burden that falls on physicians. It seems like a management problem like a physician's office. It could be organized in a different way or that a lot of the tasks that end up falling on the physician or nurse practitioner could be handled by someone else. My naive in thinking that or is it. Some of the things just have to be by their nature handled by the provider. No I I think you're absolutely right. And there's a lot of efforts underway at health systems throughout the country to have the administrative tasks or data entry task removed from physicians and allocated to others who could perform the same data entry your ministry functions as well as the physician and freeing up more time for the physician to interact with the patient so absolutely when more administrative task fall on physicians. Lades burn out less time for physicians and other healthcare providers suspend interacting with patients entering Enter responding to patients responding to their questions and it's an opportunity to make things better. Let me give you one example higher authorization so prior authorization is a really important concern. The average physician here she spends about eighty three thousand dollars per year according to a health of various article in interactions with health plans and a lot of times a physician will document something in the. Dr where it's absolutely imperative for a patient to get let's see Mariah in the brain or an MRI in the back. Medical necessity criteria clearly been met and for the patients and not have that scheduled at that. Time is just is just wrong in many cases. Let me give you an example. Let's say a sixty five year old woman with a history of lung. Cancer comes the end to her physician's office and now has a headache. And right sided weakness. Will the physicians going to be concerned about a metastases to the brain that patient needs an MRI or some imaging procedure in the brain? To make sure it is not a lung metastasis. So the way that it works today. The patient comes in as she comes. Ab with some family members. Everybody's worried everybody's concerned and the doctor who knows that. Mri were some other imaging. Study it's required now tells her submitted a request. Your Insurance Company. We should within two or three days. Whether approved not patient goes home. Frustrated family members are concerned and the healthcare providers concern and then the physician or his or her staff than need to interact with the insurance company and relay much of the information that the physician is already typed into the electronic health record either by facts or by entering information into a standalone portal. Or over the phone calling eight hundred number to try and convince someone at the emory is justified. So that's just administrative burden administrative waste. That's bad for patients. It's bad for patients family members and has bad for providers. Were you in thank in two thousand eighteen. When the provider is already documented all of the information and the electronic health record medical necessity criterias that that the imaging procedure could be instantly approved and then scheduled before the patient goes home. So how do you fix that? I mean that's very starting example. Is that through legislation or just wondering how you fix that problem now. I think there are a lot of people working on it today and we have the technology to fix that if it is fixable a some of it is standards and interoperability by. I think you're GonNa see this fixed. In the next couple of years. A lot of pilots underway because it makes no sense in two thousand nineteen for when a doctor documents something electronic health record that they have to document the exact same information in a standalone portal. Yachts redundancy that frustrates providers so it can be fixed with technology. The technology exists affixing today. And I think within the next couple of years. I think you'll see that it has been fast but there many many opportunities like that to reduce administrative burden reduce provider burnout and frustration with healthcare as it exists today so tell me about Stanford. Health clinical decision support tools. Maybe some of the players out there today but maybe also some specifics on what you developed. It's now I guess. Premier around clinical decision support sure so the first company created in Seoul Recalls Zinc's and that company we created order sets in care plans and actually those are almost like checklists to improve care reduce under-use improve quality care so largely for hospitalized patients but not exclusively if a patient comes into the hospital and asks community acquired pneumonia. What treatments will lead to the best outcomes the lowest mortality and Lois Morbidity we were fortunate that product ended up in about two thousand hospitals in the US and a lot hospitals outside the US? We thought the next generation of clinical decision support was really across the continuum which would be patient specific analyzing much of the information available on a specific patient to provide specific guides to the provider for that patient. In this case patients are complicated. They have a lot of things going on with them. Many patients they have In when I say things going on with them we're all a little bit different and as we get more information about patients were really entering into world of precision medicine so many elderly patients today. We'll have more than one chronic condition. They might have diabetes hypertension. They might have depression. Their social determinants to health that are important for treating patients. Patient preferences are important. John If you develop high blood pressure and I developed high blood pressure we might think about it a little bit differently. About how quickly would go on medications versus trying exercise and Diet there other things we all might think about it a little bit differently as we enter world of Health of precision medicine. We have different genetics. We have different PROTONIX. We have different microbiome probe by also we developed. Stanton which is the latest clinical decisions for company to try and survey all of the information that we could in any hr both what we call discreet. Data elements like lab values but also free tax that a doctor or healthcare provider has written into any HR tried to interpret that information and provide guidelines that specific for you John or for me and so we thought at the time it was really the next generation of clinical decision support. So in practice. What does what does that look like. In maybe give me an example of how how your system can have a demonstrable effect on quality as well as reducing costs. Sure shirt so what we do right now. We have a product for advanced imaging procedures. So there was a law passed in two thousand fourteen called the protecting access to Medicare act a requires health care providers to consult with clinical decisions. Or if they are going to be reimbursed for advanced imaging procedures for Medicare beneficiaries by January. First Two thousand twenty one. So what does that mean? That means that a- doctor orders a MRI of the brain of a Medicare beneficiary in two thousand twenty one if the doctor does not console with clinical decision support the imaging center will not be reimbursed for the MRI and therefore the advanced imaging centers likely to perform the memory of not being reimbursed were so it's a requirement for clinical decisions or for Reimbursement in Medicare around a clinical priority areas which a mini people believe. It'll be expanded from there. So as part of it we review information in the electronic health record to see whether in a imaging procedure is appropriate or not according to evidence based guidelines. So let's from lower back paid we might look asked Information such as diagnoses. This patient have. How old is the patient we look at? How long is the patient had lower back pain and nowhere in the HR in many cases interational low back pain being specific field so we have to read the doctor's notes insieme? The doctor thought along. This patients have low back. Pain also conservative treatment has failed conservative treatments such as like physical therapy and we need to read the electronic health record in terms of quality of CARE. We do have many examples. Some published studies in the peer reviewed literature. The impact on quality care. We did a study. Actually was the advisory board the Advisory Board asked us for our data which they had from cedars-sinai on about twenty six thousand patients. So they had our data on each patients Whether they lived or died length of stay whether they had complications and they asked us to ship our data on whether doctors followed clinical decision support or not and they had their data scientists math. All Twenty six thousand patients to see whether there was who was not any impact on quality of care when doctors followed the clinical decision support recommendations in this study published about a year ago or so a little over a year ago in the American journal Managed Care with the advisory board found. Is that when doctors follow the clinical decisions or recommendations the outcomes for better actually? The complication rate was significantly lower. The length of stay was lower in the cost of care was about nine hundred. Forty four dollars per patient lower so that would be one eight sample of Correlating quality care with providers following clinical decisions origin that has been published in the Peer Review Richer. So I read somewhere that these kinds of tools can potentially make healthcare more personalized and even foster relationships between the patient and provider at seemed like a stretch. But it's not my field. So what can you comment on that? What are your thoughts? Well I am a proponent of clinical decision support is much as you've probably gathered by now but I actually have cared for a lot of patience in my lifetime and when I think leads to the best patient provider relationship is when I really listened to the patient understood. Their concerns really got to the patients responded to the patients questions. The patient felt spent enough time listening to them that I care about the patients that was accessible. That's if the patient felt that they had Some type of question Emergency that they could get a hold of me when they needed me and it was really trust between the patient and myself that led to the best possible relationship so is much as I believe that clinical decision support could improve care. It was really the person interaction that I think led to the best doctor patient relationship so I would say. Let's focus for the patient experience in the interaction on clinical decision support but really more on the trust and are you there and available for the patient when he or she needs you. I'd say that spot on and that sounds like like my doctor. Okay good I really. I really appreciate it. He uses obviously. Hr's younger doctor. But I always get spends enough time with me. That he's not rushed and I know he's very busy. But it's the listening. It's that level of trust and for me like I don't see the. Hr getting in the way he seems to be very attentive to whatever's going on with me at the time so yeah I would. I would agree with that so that just kind of put a bow on it. Scott what do you see a looking into the future? You touched on this a little bit about hr but what do you see as the future for clinical decision support? Yes I did touch on briefly but I see it becoming less obtrusive. I really very excited about the potential for Ambien. Listening devices and listening in with appropriate consents. Sure so when I'd go into the doctor's office in the future by Dr I also think is very good. I actually got a physical exam a couple of weeks ago and he listens to me will not have to spend typing in the future and then when I go home my ambient listening device reminds me that I need to go out running your Viking. I guess my weaknesses. I eat too much chocolate and eat less chocolate in the future. So I think both provider and patient clinical decision support. That's less intrusive more tailored towards me and who I am and one day I have not done whole. Xm Genomic sequencing on myself yet. But my my guess is that one day the advice that my provider Dr shares with me will be influenced by a genetic proteome microbiome results. Yeah I could see that. I haven't done it myself either and I've thought about it especially as a the prices has gone down. I'm sure it's probably under a thousand dollars at this point to have that full workup. So Scott I wanNA thank you. We've touched on a lot of things today but I appreciate your spending some time with me and sharing your entrepreneurial experiences and eloquence staying in touch. Thank you very much. John appreciate the opportunity to chat with us this morning. Thanks again. That's all for this week from all of us at Darwin Research Group. Thanks for listening if you haven't yet done so please. Rate and review healthcare rounds wherever you listen to podcasts. Healthcare rounds is produced by Deanna Nicola and engineered by Andrew. Rowe check the music by John. Murcia Darn Group provides advanced market intelligence and in-depth customer insights to healthcare executives are strategic focus is on healthcare delivery systems and the global shift toward value based care to learn more about us go to Darwin research dot COM or send an email to insights at Darwin Research Dot Com. 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Total Recall Podcast: Can Larry Elder Really Be Governor?

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Total Recall Podcast: Can Larry Elder Really Be Governor?

"Do you need a pep talk. I need a pep talk. Like twenty four seven someone of follow me around and homey fund movies to watch and recommend small businesses to support you. Describe the total. Sf podcast bay area culture fund guests cable car bell ringing pandemic support group led by the chronicles peter. Hart lab and heather knight new episode every friday morning said skype at total. Sf wherever you. Listen to podcasts. Welcome to it's all political. The san francisco chronicle political podcast. I'm joe garre fully the chronicle senior political writer and today we have another episode of total recall where we break down the latest developments in the recall campaign against california governor gavin newson. Our guests are the chronicles sacramento. Reporters alexi costs up and dustin gardner. And let's get right to it. Because it just gives me a chance to bust out my hacky arnold schwarzenegger impression once again all right. I'd like to welcome. Welcome you back to the total podcast. Beautiful beautiful impression. I've used by jackie. Arnold voice exxon to introduce to the greatest reporters in california. That's lexical and dusted god. A welcome back if i was was actually or actually that got better as it went along. I think you just had to dust off dust off the impression there. I was impressed. It's usually better after a beer. The divorce let's before we start. I think let's start with a bit of a plug for ourselves which is always good to do here. On the on the podcast. There is going to be a debate in wednesday in sacramento co by the chronicle and our hearst corporation cousins at casey. It's one hour long seven to eight. Pm and if you're living in the bay area you can watch it on cayenne tv. Which is the bay the nbc affiliate here or on of course of chronicle dot com and our very own alexi costs up is going to be one of the questioners alexi I did the chronicle give you a hair and clothing allowance for this. I haven't asked yet. I figured i you know. I look pretty good at as is but if i show up to that rehearsal and they tell me that i'm not up to snuff. Then you can bet. I'm going to be searching for some help. And do you want us to alert you. If like a fly were to land on your head or something like that I love mike pence. Is there a way we can. Can we just keep your slack on me up on twitter. And i'll i'll catch up with all the jokes when our when our is done all right. Well let's now. There are some good news and some disappointing news with this debate. The disappointing news is that once again Polling front runner larry elder and caitlyn jenner who draws a disproportionate amount of media attention. Compared to her polling have declined to participate once again They only want to debate of gavin newsom as involved and he too has also declined to attend that. That's correct correct. Yes we have four candidates who are going to be participating and you know. They are some of the leading candidates but not the leading candidates. We have former san diego mayor. Kevin faulkner we have assembly member kevin kiley and we have businessman john cox who ran in two thousand eighteen all of them are republicans and then joining a debate for the first time in the cycle is kevin path who is a democrat and Probably most well known for having a Financial advice youtube channel and he is a. I've been asked by a number of people over the weekend of the last. Several days is balance of land. Like who is this guy he's He has no experience in politics before never served an elective office. Twenty nine is from ventura county. And he's he's a real estate investor but he is You know he depending on some of the polls which are of dubious merit he does is registering and some of these polls perhaps because he's a democrat. Yeah perhaps because he's a democrat. Perhaps because he does have a little bit of name recognition from this youtube channel which has about one point seven million subscribers. You know not bad Although hard to say how many of them are in california but yeah he's definitely an unknown entity and it will be interesting to hear more about his ideas during the debate although he is a democrat he's not necessarily on the mainstream democratic kind of platform on a lot of big issues for example. He's campaigning on reducing income taxes for families that make less than two hundred fifty thousand dollars which is more in line with his republican colleagues. He's also got some pretty strict ideas on how to address homelessness. You know forcing people into treatment. Which again is something. That's probably more in line with a lot of his republican competitors and He wants to legalize gambling In in california and and raise new tax revenue through having our own version of las vegas. Which is you know. Definitely a long shot idea but perhaps one that well our generate some some interesting debate so keep an eye out for him so the As you said the polling leader is larry elder the conservative talk show host And among the forty six names that you see on your ballot Dust and he had a bad week last week. larry elder did and you had a scoop on them. You were part of his bad week. tell us What was What was going on because many many conservative voters may know we think they know larryelder because heard him on the radio for a couple of decades. But as we learned from your story and other scoops like from our friend and for my phone number chronicle colleague carla marinucci that there are parts of his personal life. That we don't know about Dozen at tulsa about your scoop and what allegedly happened between elder and his ex fiancee. Yeah i mean it really was a terrible week for larry elder and a lot of the news that has been coming out. It's been about his views on women and also allegations about his treatment of his ex fiancee in the past The piece that i wrote was looking back at a book that he wrote in two thousand and this bulk It was it. Was there a lot of controversial things in the book but one that that really stood out was the section where he talks about sexual harassment in the workplace in the title of this subchapter is basically that sexual harassment isn't hold women back in their careers Within that chapter he had some comments where he said that essentially he said that smart women. Don't complain about inappropriate behavior or comments in the workplace for men And he goes on to say that basically it in his you. Hypersensitivity would affect productivity and robbery within a workplace so essentially arguing. The whitman really should. Just kind of grit. Their teeth and not Report a lot of inappropriate behavior in the workplace and i reached out to his campaign. He won't comment about that And you know that was in his book lau one of his bestselling books And so there's really no indication that he has changed his views on that issue and he's still selling the book on his website. I should add So so that was. One piece of the news. Came out about elder And then the other piece is you mentioned. Politico reported his relationship with his ex fiancee. Informer producer on his radio show. Alexandra data ache She alleges that Jury during a heated argument in twenty fifteen. Shortly before they broke up that he essentially brandished a gun. He drained the argument. He pulled a gun out of the nightstand next to their bed and held it so she could see that he had that there were bullets of and that it was loaded There's been some discrepancy in whether he waved the gun at her politico reported that that he did waive the gun. She said in other interviews that that he didn't wave it or pointed at her But nevertheless that this really wisconsin explosive headline and also The story from politico that there are other details. That were just kind of very odd for example Alexandra said that he incident larry elder insisted that she get a tattoo that read larry's girl and at some point. He had that a picture of her partially new picture of her with that tattoo on her. Lower back Printed and he hung out in their house without asking her permission. larry elder is come out. And set it emphatically he is never brandished a gun at anyone and his calling. The allegations baseless Bed beyond that. He hasn't responded to a lot of the details that came out in the last week right in the marijuana. Smoking from larry elder to. He's i guess he is four medical marijuana. I don't know what he was. He was a legalization. We i believe actually yeah. Because he's you know leans. More libertarian is actually more in favor of legalization and that is one of the areas where there's sort of an interesting Agreement between him and newsome let more of our total recall. Podcast after this short break. I'll be back. This episode is brought to you by verizon verizon. Small business days are happening this friday. And every friday this july come in and verizon's team of trained business specialists will give you a complimentary tech evaluation to help jump start. Your communications can activity insecurity. Plus limited time offers like a new five g. Phone on verizon not a customer though even help cover the cost to switch come into a participating store on friday july for verizon small business days five g. ultra wideband available only in parts of select cities five g. nationwide available in twenty seven hundred. Plus cities offers available with select trade-in and business. Unlimited plan terms apply limited time offer shop in store safely. And now let's get back to talking total recall with our guests. Alexi casa and dustin gardner alexi to candidates former san diego mayor kevin falkiner and and caitlyn jenner have called for elder to leave the race and this is always my favorite parts of political campaigns when when one candidate will ask the other to leave the race. And just who's actually going to do that but but the others aren't saying anything. Why aren't they weighing in we. We watched the debate last thursday here in san francisco and nobody even brought it up and then miraculously you know what twenty four hours later. Falkiner says gays should leave the race. But didn't say anything to the bay. What what is going on. I think every candidate is sort of walking a tightrope on this issue more or less because they may want to jockey themselves to the front of the pack on question too but they don't wanna turn off the republican base which to this point has been very behind larry elder and from at least the comments. I'm seen responded to these allegations by basically saying no way this. Is you know nonsense. It's an attempt to take him down. All those kinds of responses denying it and thinking it's a conspiracy so faulkner is actually put himself and jenner as well have put themselves in a difficult position if if they continue to double down on this and are seen as not being team players totally focused on getting out newsome on question one that sort of what at least some of the other candidates have suggested incl- including kevin kiley. He actually put out a statement Online saying that it is a waste of time. It's sort of pointless and a distraction to be calling for Other candidates to drop out of the race and he has declined at every. Turn to criticize. Larry elder or any of his other fellow candidate sane. They're all on the same team to take out newsome. And so that sort of this this pull push and pull that you have in in the race. I just this is this a baffling strategy to me. I you know. And since you're going to be on the panel. I want to suggest the question alexi. Can we ask the republicans there to explain without using the words gavin. Newsom how they would be a better replacement candidate than the other three top republicans. Do you think they would. I mean doesn't this this is just it just is. It's bizarre that they don't that they don't mix it up like that it just because i think a lot of voters are like who. What's the difference between these three guys. Well i sort of wonder if they were feeling a little more urgency around the possibility that new sim was going to be recalled and that they themselves could be governor that they might go a little bit more aggressively on this line and try and push themselves to the front but as it is right now you know it it just ultimately is more likely than not. The gavin newsom will survive. We have seen some polling that's close but the fundamentals of the race are such that you know with a a large democratic majority of voters newsom as well positioned to survive and so people at kevin faulkner who have long term political ambitions may be looking at how to position themselves down the line rather than trying to win a race. That may ultimately not matter. All right let's talk about ballot confusion. I don't know if you guys have been hearing this. But i've been hearing this from a lot of readers a lot of people personally they there can. It's the question. The ballot only has two questions two parts to it. I should say and And of course we can go on go online and we have a very easy to follow a visual guide for how to fill out your ballot but doesn't the newsom campaign is backed by pretty much. Every top democrat in the state has been saying vote. No and let it go. Don't write anything for that second question that you don't don't put a replacement candidate. Why are they saying this. And is contributing to the confusion. Yeah they really are paying all their eggs in one basket with that strategy and democrats have for months. Been saying this. They don't want to repeat a two thousand three. They feel like in two thousand three. Lieutenant governor cruz. Bustamante was also on the ballot that that helps the effort to recall. Gray davis And they're afraid that you know the voters get confused that it's real. It's much easier for voter to understand. Just vote now on the first question and move on but if they say vote no then. Here's the backup person that that just gets really confusing and that if the recalls close that could help put it over the top Severely it seems like their strategies matter of simplicity and just trying to communicate with voters in general aren't very outside the conservative base. Voters aren't very engaged with this election and they wanted to keep it simple. I think and Alexi you many people outside of california and many inside as dustin sort of alludes to are wondering why this is continues to be this race continues to be close when there's twice as many democrats as republicans in california and of course the top reason is enthusiasm. republicans much more into it than democrats. You recently went out Door to door with some union members and california. Tell us what you found are they. Are they do people know that. There's a recall. Yeah i think people are aware that there's a recall you know i. It's sort of hard almost with the fact that this has been so dominant and the conversation for you know months now if not almost a year to completely allude people but they're still. It's still sort of a vague awareness. They don't necessarily know when the election is happening or how they would vote or things like that. And so a big part of this Canvassing effort that. I shadowed on a recent saturday. Morning was going knocking on the the doors of union households. Which are you know a key. Democratic constituency in every election and basically telling people. Hey you're ballots about to arrive if it hasn't already just tick no and send it back as soon as you got it. You know really trying to make clear to people that this is happening now and you know you got to pay attention and it's very easy. Just get it done and get it out of the way and what was really interesting to me is that you know there was this real palpable sense of fear in the messaging You know you've heard it from newsom himself warning that oh the state could be handed over to you. Know a trump republican or whatever it may be but also you know in the messaging that these independent efforts like this. This union canvassing Operation have been sending out. You know telling people hey if if newsom loses. There's going to be republican in office. That means you know the minimum wage could go way. There could be fewer union. Jobs will lose our benefits things like that. You know it's not about. It's not about exciting people. It's about scaring them right right. It is What are you guys can be forward looking looking towards the other baby looking forward to over the next for the next several days in the campaign. What what are we looking for Of course we have. Our debate will have our first look at kevin path What else are we looking for. One thing i'm going to be watching is whether this race is getting any closer to being fined being financially competitive The next filing deadline for for finance reports is going. Is i think early next week. Around september second. A lot of campaigns will certify their reports you know a couple of days ahead of that and if they have a lot of money if they have a lot of they'll they'll tell us about it very very very loudly and i think it'll be interesting too because we haven't really gotten abroad picture of where all the campaigns are at since last deadline which is the end of june And so you know in terms of the pulling being close. We need to also see whether the candidates have enough money to start competing with newsom on the airwaves in the last couple of weeks of civil interesting to get a picture of that alexei. Anything you're looking forward to. Well i think that as we had into these final weeks it will be interesting to see. How newsom himself is responding and use that as a gauge. To sort of see you know what what his campaign thinks. His chances are if we start to see him out there more and more really hitting the campaign trail you know. maybe they're worried and and also you know. Are there going to be any changes to the messaging. You know we've certainly seen them doubled down. In recent weeks on the fear tactics and also really embrace this idea of using his pandemic response as a motivating factor sort of saying to democrats. Look if newsome's out out of office and a republican is elected then we're going to you know we're going to turn into florida we're going to turn his texas there's gonna be no protections And so you know will. They continue down with that message. Is that bin. Is that going to be effective for them. or or they're going to have to change tactics again Certainly the first you know half a million or so votes that we've seen come back in so far actually skewed quite toward democrats Mail voting always is but if that keeps up As millions and millions more votes get mailed back than that could be a very good sign for newsom that his strategy is working and he will survive this recall. All right gentlemen thank you so much for we got a name for the segment least this segment through the recall we have a name total recall al fac not going to say that. Did you see. And i expect next time. We talk that you will have your own hacky. Arnold impressions alexi. I know you're already working. I promise i'll work on workshop. But hey i this i think you should call in a favor to the former governor used to cover and see if maybe you can't get him for the theme song. Okay thanks. I'd like to thank you for listening and hope that you and your families are safe and healthy. I like to thank lexi and dustin for being here today. A hat tip to political man about town. Alex clements for suggesting the total recall name. There's a prize in there. I guess it'll be me buying a beer. Countless thanks to the king webby award winning producer king kaufman for producing today's episode. And of course we always wanna throw some love to our fabulous theme music. That song you're listening to is cattle. Call and it's written by randy. Clark performed by randy clark and gross on and remember no matter how bad your arnold impression is don't political.

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166: The Cult of Synanon

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166: The Cult of Synanon

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Today we're going to be talking about something that even if you don't recognize the name you'll recognize the stories. Certainly the tactics. Some of the habits themes at the very least it will touch on rehabilitation and wellness culture. That i feel like we're immersed in every day you'll recognize the story because we hear it over and over through lots of fringe. Religions gone mainstream and wellness initiatives turned oppressive. We're talking about the original west coast. Insane fucking kalt posing as sober wellness cinnamon and i hope i'm saying that right. Some people say sign on some people say and on. I'm gonna go with sin and on addiction has always been a really complicated diagnosis and nobody surprise has been around since humans have been making mind altering substances the bible references. Noah's drinking habits and intoxication abuse of opium in syria and the century. Bc coca leaves in the andes to chinese cannabis to on and on and on and it was always this mysterious thing to be an addict even up until the nineteen fifties. The general idea of most addiction was in medical communities that it could not be cured if it was treated at all it was by doctors in hospitals and more often than not those suffering from addiction. Eventually were sent to jail until cinnamon though it was not the first rehab or structure around wellness. Synonym did a ton to convince the american public that addicts could be saved. It really started the idea of sponsorship that recovery could happen and that those in recovery could help other people in recovery and while there were good things about sin and on it was founded on the shoulders of charles dietrich and became a cult. Unlike anything else. I had ever seen so it all started with this guy charles dietrich a sales exempt from ohio who moved to so cal after his first divorce after spending almost twenty years as a pneumatic alcoholic he remarried in nineteen fifty six and again at the bequest of his probably very frustrated wife gave a try. Second marriage didn't last but the program did and he quickly became a huge promoter of the alcoholics anonymous lifestyle. The one thing dietrich didn't like was that a didn't accept other substance abusers now there was at time a narcotics anonymous la but it was still very disorganized and rarely met so in nineteen fifty eight. Dietrich took part in a ucla. Study that involved lsd. Speaking to an oral historian documenting sin short history in nineteen sixty two. Dietrich called it the most important single experience in my entire life crediting the drug with unlocking a newfound confidence. He says i became a different person. Really and truly everything that has happened to sin and on everything dates back to that point. It was then that he decided to form his own group that unlike a embraced all kinds of addicts he. I called this group the tender loving care club one day. A young heroine addict named whitey walker. Fresh out of prison. Join the group as he invited friends. The language grew a little bit coarser. A little less loving the cross talk became more aggressive. It took on a totally different feel. Dietrich loved it. The sessions became known as sin. Annan's a portmanteau of symposium or togetherness or perhaps seminar and anonymous dietrich who provided couches for people to crash on his. They kicked heroin any other habit that they were trying to detox from would come to believe that addicts weren't full-fledged adults and shouldn't be treated as adults the younger addicts took to calling him. Dad based on these sessions the tender loving care club evolved to be just called cinnamon cinnamon was launched in a dingy santa monica storefront has a two year residential program but dietrich soon concluded that its members could never graduate because a full recovery was impossible. According to him the program was based on testimony of fellow group members about their tribulations and urges of relapsing and their journeys to recovery synon- differed from alcoholics anonymous and that it was directed towards both drug users and drinkers dietrich was said to have coined the phrase. Today's the first day of the rest of your life for the program. He was a stern person. Kind of abrasive. Not very friendly to the people around him. He believed that this tough love was necessary to achieve and maintain sobriety and use that with this first wave of residence so if you were registering to go to rehab at and on. Here's what would happen. I off the program. Rejected any form of pharmaceuticals or tapering. Off of drugs. Everyone went cold turkey and junkies were left on a couch to whether their withdrawal and detox alone for their first ninety days in the community members were expected to completely cut contact with everyone. They knew outside sound familiar. I thought so during its first decade sin and on members entered into a one to two year program in three stages aimed at preparing them to reenter greater society. This would soon change during the stage members did community and housekeeping labor during the second stage members worked outside of the community but still resided within the community. Going to meetings and being a part of the culture finally during the third stage members both worked and lived outside but still attended regular meetings but really the benchmark of the treatment was called the game. You play the game. Which was this bizarre group therapy where people sat in a circle to express and often shout their frustrations at each other. This confrontational approach was way to hash out. Everything that bothered you about others near group but was couched in a way of helping them. Learning about yourself excetera. The game started with a question like the most boring person in this circle is or what really pissed you off most this week. You know something provocative but not too out there but then would escalate while playing the game stuff. You said didn't even need to be true. Lying was just one of the many things that were allowed in the game. Which could last anywhere from one hour to forty eight hours later on it would be known as attack therapy and was the first step of dietrich's grooming and brainwashing for what was to come. Many sitting on santa monica neighbors weren't happy to have a rehab in their midst. So the senate non-residents outcasts early on. Some of. The treatment was rooted in stigma others treatment by the neighbors felt pretty legit in nineteen sixty one. Dietrich spent just under a month in jail for zoning violations and operating a hospital without a license he was guilty on both counts. I can absolutely see how neighbors might find that questionable. All of this legal stuff that got in the way of these treatments rehabilitation only served to bond the senate nights and elevated dietrich to this kind of martyr status suffering unjust incarceration for his beliefs etc and the media latched on. They love this story early on the los angeles times ran a two part feature on the group. The los angeles mirror published a four part series. A fourteen page photo spread in life magazine. Hailing synon- as tunnel back into the human race was followed by a glowing right up in time magazine. That's a lot of very good press in the early. Nineteen sixty s cinnamon used this momentum to get in with hollywood guest speakers in nineteen sixty three alone included twilight zone creator rod sterling ray bradbury and the original host of the tonight show steve allen visitors included leonard. Nimoy jane fonda charlton heston milton berle timothy leary and cesar chavez. Synonym had some pretty cool parties too because they had so. Many jazz musicians enrolled in the program. Dietrich insisted recovery rates were anywhere from eighty to one hundred percent. Those figures were never confirmed by well anyone. Some observers claim that fewer than seventy people in synonyms entire existence of the thousands who sought treatment could reasonably have been claimed as rehabilitated. But again it's hard to say considering. The programs founder claimed there is no such thing as rehabilitation and that staying with the organization is the only true path. Nineteen sixty five was a big year for cinema on a film was made about it. Starring academy award winner edmond o'brien as dietrich himself and was even filmed on location in santa monica. With the full cooperation of the whole organization maybe more notably sitting on started quietly buying up land in marin county california. It would eventually have three sites in the county comprising just over three three hundred acres and total making it. The private property owned in the county. Dietrich made it quite clear. Early on that treating addicts was merely a byproduct of his larger mission. Sin announce real aim was to create an experimental society that would transform the world to dietrich sinon was a new way of living as important as any to the world's major religions with the help of hollywood and being registered religion and of course it's million per year sales promotional items cinnamon expanded in almost normalized as much as a in california in fact juveniles and the justice system were often ordered to enroll incident on by california courts if they had some kind of substance abuse issue in nineteen sixty seven sin and on also purchased a gigantic new building. Santa monica called. Club casa. Del mar i built as a hotel in nineteen twenty six and then used by the us army during world war two. The building sat on an insane part of santa monica beach. Now it's a hotel again and you can even stay there The rooms range from. Oh just seven hundred dollars a night to sixteen hundred dollars a night at this point. Dietrich himself abandoned santa. Monica moving north anonymous so style that even non addicts wanted in. They were reluctantly allowed. Called lifestyle irs and by nineteen sixty seven sinon broadened its mission to include research into the causes of alienation and delinquency. These lifestyles were allowed to have jobs outside of cinnamon and live outside of ananda community provided they gave most of their income to the organization. This experiment with lifestyles wouldn't last long now as this type of member was often accused of not being committed enough most lifestyles washed out of the program though some joined the ranks fully leaving their homes behind as a show of true solidarity after starting in nineteen sixty eight with forty people by now it had eight hundred twenty three active members and some incredibly expensive new headquarters it was bringing in roughly one point two million dollars from its various businesses including gas stations and a manufacturer of branded promotional items by nineteen seventy six. It would gross eight point seven million with estimated assets of over thirty million. Let those numbers sinking. We're going to take a break. It looks like summer might be almost normal and with that people will be getting out for long overdue vacations for me. I'm looking forward to getting back into an actual movie theater and as usual playing fiends. 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Do for that one thing that we just trying to decide which one i just watched woodstock ninety nine and we that up and maybe that maybe that'll be the next one. Yeah no i'll i'll check it out. We don't know. I'll check it out. I also have a friend. Who was there. And i'm going to try to get hurt. His send a little thing. My ex girlfriend was there as my friend. Your ex girlfriend Her name was fred. durst i don't know. Is that the same. It was fred durst. Holy shit yeah fred durst on the line. Maybe a little extra info the end of the nineteen sixties. The group was becoming even more isolationist with dietrich declaring that it would no longer graduate any of its members. So you would just stay. Put little pretense the group had about helping addicts to rejoin the outside world had been dropped by nineteen seventy-two synon- was completely drug free environment safe for aspirin caffeine and lsd. Lots and lots of lsd in nineteen seventy four. Non moved to become a recognized religion within their use of lsd. It was running up against some controversy. Obviously with that but also some other issues including some irs recognition of the group. Because it really wanted to maintain its tax exempt status. It didn't work though the. Irs never officially recognised sinon as a religion though would be at least another decade before finally stripped the company of its nonprofit status the nonprofit status key. It's what helped people give donations. It's what got it. It's whole financial footing the same time non move from nonviolent tactics within its treatment too violent ones suspected spies were severely beaten. Teenagers sent to sit on help. Cure juvenile delinquency were regularly physically abused for insubordination. Everyone in the group started shaving. Their heads says phil ritter who entered the bay area branch of sin and on there was a lot of drugs around a lot of negativities. He sold his car. Moved into the story is sitting on building in downtown. Oakland shaved his head practice. That had begun as punishment away to hayes newcomers but he was becoming more or less part of the norm fact. Many and members would appear with shaved. Heads as extras in. George lucas's dystopia science fiction film t. h. x. One one three eight working as a mechanic at a on owned auto repair shop. He made fifty dollars a month. People moved to the northern compound if they were truly dedicated children inside the cinnamon call were raised communally. This was a common practice. Romanticized by utopian communities of the nineteenth and twentieth century dietrich was also becoming less interested in having any children around telling many members if they wanted to have kids. they probably shouldn't be a part of it. I understand it's more like crapping football than anything else. Dietrich would say about childbirth in nineteen seventy six by january of nineteen seventy seven. No kids was the official policy. Men were pressured to get the sect amies and women were shamed into getting abortions notably. Dietrich didn't have affected me himself. Chuck dietrich had a wife to her name was betty. During this whole time betty was actually very well liked that he was a strong woman in her own right. She was well liked and she seemed to dial back some of chuck's tyranny. But on april nineteenth nineteen seventy seven. She died of lung cancer. And all bets were off. Dietrich's policies became even more insane extreme and controlling. Dietrich was at this point sixty four also wanted to remarry right away. He says i set up a flare like any monarch of old time would have done. I let the word out. I was available of the six women who applied. Dietrich chose ginny shrayan a thirty one year old teacher at one of cinnamon schools shortly thereafter though dietrich decided that marriage should no longer be permanent. Couples were told to split up and former new three year. Long love matches. within days. He split he broke up. his own. daughter's marriage about six hundred couples were divorced by the following year including a man named phil ritter and his wife by the late. Nineteen seventies cinema had support from over two hundred thousand businesses and organizations giving to or interacting with cinnamon by the late nineteen seventies including one out of every five corporations in the fortune. Five hundred who were listed either as donating or as doing business with them cinnamon had a private security force and formed a paramilitary group. The imperial marines that developed its own type of martial arts called sindakayo and by nineteen seventy eight. The groups reported purchase of over two hundred thousand dollars in firearms raised eyebrows in. Nineteen seventy eight phil ritter. Our old friend fill the guy whose wife left him at. The rule of dietrich would try to take his young daughter from the organization and nearly died. Doing it raiders. Wife was still in the organization had moved with her child to synonyms detroit. Facility ritter sought legal action against the cult in response. The church sent two men to beat him senseless in his own driveway. He wound up in a coma for a week. Press and organization started seeing how dangerous in non had become. Most press was bad press but the group fought back after an expose by. Nbc in nineteen seventy eight members sent hundreds of ominous letters to the embassy executives threatening physical harm cinnamon sued anybody who wrote a critical article or air to negative tv segment about it in nineteen seventy-two it sued hearst corporation over san francisco examiner article that described the cult as quote the racket of the century. The most famous incidents at the organizations violence was planned attack. Bison on los angeles lawyer attorney. Paul marantz had successfully represented a woman who had been held against her will by sinon on marantz came home on october tenth. Nineteen seventy eight to his house in. The pacific palisades opened his mailbox and was immediately bitten by a rattlesnake with straddle removed to keep it quiet. His neighbors called an ambulance just in time. Saving his life after a quick and extensive treatment. With anti-venom to men. Twenty year old lance kenton and twenty eight year. Old joseph mu sokoto or charged with attempted murder along with dietrich for conspiring to commit it dietrich also had an obsession with recording audio. Which didn't help when cops procured six tapes weeks later. Here's a part of the audio. Our religious posture is. Don't mess with us. You can get killed dead literally dead. These are real threats. He snarled they're draining. Life's blood from us and expecting to play by their silly rules. We make the rules. I see nothing frightening about it. I'm quite willing to break some lawyer's legs and next break his wife's legs and threatened to cut their child's arm off. This is the end of that lawyer. That is a very satisfactory. Humane way of transmitting information. I really do on your and a glass of alcohol on my desk. All three men were arrested. And dietrich was drunk by the way during this arrest and pled no contest dietrich entered into a plea deal that included probation. Part of the plea deal was that he would have to step down. As the head of sinon so synonymous formerly stripped of its tax exempt status nineteen ninety-one and almost completely disbanded. Shortly after that phil ridder eventually reunited with his wife and daughter left synon- in nineteen seventy eight mirant still lives in pacific palisades at age. Seventy two has neuropathy arthritis and blood disease. He believes may have been an artifact from his snake bite attack. I'm going to set the record says for the longest murder ever after being convicted. Dietrich moved with his wife into a double wide mobile home. In basilea he died in nineteen ninety-seven a few weeks before his fourth birthday. He was saluted on the floor of the house of representatives by the barrier congressman and future oakland mayor ron dellums despite its controversies downfall though the senate on program is credited with carrying some people of their addictions including jazz musicians. Frank rehab arnold. Ross joe pass and art pepper and the actor. Matthew beard in nineteen seventy two pass formed a band composed of synonym patients recorded an album titled sounds of sin on many former member still value. What they see as positive aspects of senan primarily strong sense of community. They remain in close contact with many people that they went through the program with online chat groups and some have even gone into business together. A branch of sinon on that was founded in germany in nineteen seventy one is still in operation and that is sin and on which still exists. It's the same old story. Yeah it's the same story beginning middle and end. They differ a little bit. Some don't have an end but they all notice went the tax exempt status. Everything else kind of falls so you wonder that money. It's you know it's not about the money but it it really is about the money. It's interesting that it's a group that's founded on about fighting addictions when it seems like the addiction to power Wealth being feared being a leader being looked up to pretty much. Getting everything you want your. You're getting rewarded because all these companies are donating celebrities that are involved kind of signing off on this. Yeah so it's interesting. How intoxicating it must be to be a leader and that in then why you did. It almost doesn't matter it's like oh now we'll just constantly switch gears and that becomes the thing. Yeah absolutely. I the snake story. The snake in the mailbox. I thought was a scientology story for a very long time and i think that really speaks to the fact that like so much of this behavior is i mean it's horrible but is interchangeable with these abuses in these cults and religions. Whatever you know. I you can classify it however you want to but it's just really scary because it never feels like it ends. It's just another one pops up and then another one. Another one preying on people also in really getting starting in nineteen fifty really primed itself for that time of the sixties and seventies and new age and people being accepting of things that are kind of outside of the box thinking. Yeah it's this is okay these communities and look at all the good that it's doing but you know it's it's you're being controlled for better for worse. I suppose i guess it depends on who you ask and would it ended up being like another waco. I don't know we start mind up and it always starts with with military buying up weapons and it's not like and this is where we stop now. It's it's really. This is where we start exactly exactly. And i don't want to discredit the people that actually found benefit in this program. It's such a small part of it. Feels like of the larger abuses and toxicity of this person. Hey i don't understand how how Being only having three year love matches how does that. How does that help. You know how does having firepower help. How how does this. This guy i mean. Obviously he was drinking if he was drunk. This and so all that stuff went out the window. So you can. There's a point where you can be like well. This is no longer attendant of this thing so if it helps someone that that is great but that there's a cut off point for that it was it didn't seem to be the you know. The mo of the organization became very secondary. it seems. yeah absolutely. Although i i will say. I don't like colts. 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#98 Government by Blackmail: Jeffrey Epstein, Trumps Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era

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#98 Government by Blackmail: Jeffrey Epstein, Trumps Mentor and the Dark Secrets of the Reagan Era

"You can't handle the truth this report part two of this series titled the Jeffrey Epstein Scandal too-big-to-fail will delve into cones close ties to the Reagan Administration, which was also took mostly tied to the same organized crime Network led by the infamous Mobb figure Meyer Lansky, which was discussed in part. One of particular importance is the Iran-Contra Network a group of Reagan officials and Associates who played key roles in the Iran-Contra scandal though. It has remained relatively unknown for years many key figures in that same network and several fronts for the CIA that were involved in funneling money to the Central American Contra paramilitaries were also trafficking minors for their sexual exploitation and used in sexual blackmail Rings several of these rings made headlines at one point or another over the years from the Callback run by Washington lobbyists Craig Spence to the Franklin child sex and murder ring run by Republican operative Larry King to the Scandal that envelop the Catholic charity Covenant House in the late 1980s yet. Yep. This report will show all of these rings and more were connected to the same network that involved key figures linked to the Reagan White House and link to Roy Cohn revealing the true scope of the sordid sexual blackmail operation sex rings that involved the trafficking of children within the US and even in Central America for their exploitation by dangerous and Powerful pedophiles in the United States appalling for both the villainous abuse of children itself and the chilling implications of government by blackmail. This tangled web of unsavory alliances cast salut red light on the political History of the United States from the prohibition era right up to the present day in the age of trump a fact made increasingly clear as more and more information comes to light in relation to the Jeffrey Epstein case Roy could fix anyone in the city since Donald Trump burst onto the political scene in 2015 off the legacy of his mentor Roy Cohn as well as Combs influence on his most famous Protege have begun to Garner renewed media attention many of the profiles on Cone following Trump's rise have focused so long Uncertain shadowy aspects of cones history particularly his association with major figures in New York organized crime his corrupt dealings and his eventual disbarment. Some of these poor Trails even went so far as to label cone is politically impotent while cone was known to deal with a sizable amount of sleaze in his career such depictions of the man failed to note that he had created an influence machine of unrivaled power package that included some of the most prominent people in media and politics as well. As a Cadre of celebrities cone was closely associated with numerous celebrities famous politicians and political operatives many of his birthday parties over the years attracted such famous figures such as artist Andy Warhol fashion designer Calvin Klein and comedian Joey Adams's as well as notable political figures including former mayor of New York a break beam and then assemblyman from Brooklyn and future Senator Chuck Schumer among others in nineteen seventy-nine Margaret Trudeau mother of current prime minister of Canada. Justin Trudeau attended Combs birthday party. Yep. You famously toppled his custom birthday cake. And of course Donald Trump who became cones Protege in the mid-1970s was a frequent fixture at social events held in cones honor the politicians journalists Liberties invited to cones exclusive parties were said to be those who had opened accounts and Cones favor Bank his nickname for his unofficial balance sheet of political favors and debts that was surely informed and influenced by his extensive involvement in sexual blackmail operations from the 1950s. Well into the nineteen eighty s many of cones celebrity friendships were cultivated through his relationship with and frequent appearances at the famous and famously about yours New York nightclub Studio fifty-four which was described by Vanity Fair as the giddy epicenter of seventies Hedonism a disco Hot House of beautiful people endless cocaine and every kind of sex cone was awful long time lawyer of the club's owners Steve rubell and Ian Schrager among cones closest friends were Barbara Walters to whom cone often referred as his fiance in public and whom he later introduced to the head of the US information. an agency Chadwick and other high rollers in the Reagan white house yet Walters was just one of cones powerful friends in the media a group that also included Abe Rosenthal executive editor of the New York Times. A fire longtime New York Times columnist and New York Magazine contributor and George sakolsky of the New York Herald Tribune NBC and ABC sakolsky was a particularly close friend of both, a former FBI director J Edgar Hoover whose involvement and Cones sexual blackmail operation is described in part one of this investigative series sakolsky ran the American Jewish League against communism with comb several years and the organization later named its Medal of Honor after sakolsky cone was also the attorney and friend of media Mogul Rupert Murdoch and according to New York Magazine whenever Roy wanted a story stopped dead item put in more story exploited Roy called Murdoch and after Murdock bought the New York Post cone wielded the paper as his personal shift according to the late journalist, Robert Parry the friendship between Mirage And Cone first began thanks to their Mutual support for Israel comb also leaned on his lifelong friends since high school sign new house Junior to exert media influence new house oversaw the media Empire that now includes Vanity Fair Vogue GQ the New Yorker and numerous local newspapers throughout the United States as well as major interests in cable television, New York Magazine also noted that cone used his thousands in the early eighties to secure favours for himself and his mob clients and new house Publications. In addition to new house cones other High School Pals generoso Pope Jr. And Richard Berlin later became the owners of The National Enquirer and the Hearst Corporation respectively cone was also a close friend of another media Mogul Mort Zuckerman who along with Rupert Murdoch would go on to befriend Jeffrey Epstein Combs me confidence like journalist William Buckley of the National Review and Firing Line often attacked cones political enemies. Particularly long time Manhattan district attorney Robert morgenthau in their columns, you suck. Cohn is an anonymous source Buckley whom historian George Nash one's called the preeminent voice of American conservatism and its first grade ecumenical figure received the George sakolsky metal alongside Combs blinked client and Supreme Commander Louis Rosenstiel from the cone run American Jewish League against communism in nineteen. Sixty-six. Buckley later. Got a heavily discounted $65,000 loan to buy a luxury boat a bank where cone held influence and who's President Cowen had handpicked according to a 1969 article in Life Magazine Buckley along with Barbara Walters Alan dershowitz and Donald Trump Woodlake serve as character Witnesses for calling during his 1986 disbarment hearings and all but Buckley would later draw controversy for their relationships with Jeffrey Epstein with connections like this. It's no wonder that Stan Friedman a law partner of Comb who was later imprisoned over a kickback and bribery Scandal while serving as New York's Deputy Mayor told journalists, Marie Brenner in nineteen, eighty that Roy could fix anyone in the city dead. Politically ubiquitous and polygamous Roy cones favor bank and his unique position as a liaison between the criminal Underworld the Rich and Famous and top Media influencers made him a force to be reckoned with them yet. It was his political connections to leadership figures in both the Republican and Democratic parties and his close relationship to longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover among other figures that made him and his dark secret touchable for much of his life though. Most of his political influence was forged in the 1950s cone became even more powerful with the rise of Ronald Reagan, even though he nominally maintained his affiliation with the Democratic party throughout his life cone was a well-known fixer for Republican candidates. And this is clearly seen in his outsized roles during the 1976 and 1980 presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan took during the latter that cone would meet another of his Protege Rodger Stone whom he infamously instructed to leave a hefty bribe tucked in a suitcase at the doorstep of the liberal party's headquarters during the nineteen eighty campaign director. This campaign cone would also meet Paul manafort an associate of stone and later Trump's 2016 campaign manager and introduce both to Donald Trump Combs law partner. Tom Boland was also an influential force in the Reagan campaign and later chaired Reagan's transition team in nineteen. Eighty Reagan then named Bolen whom he considered a friend a director of the overseas private Investment corporation, the governments development financial institution. And he was also the New York Finance co-chairman in the Reagan campaign in both nineteen. Eighty and Nineteen Eighty-Four Bolen was also close to others in cone Circle such as William F Buckley Jr. Donald Trump and Rupert Murdoch. Furthermore. Bolen was instrumental in securing Federal judgeships for several individuals who would later become influential including future FBI director Louis. Freeh cone was also able get friends of clients appointed as federal judges including Donald Trump's sister Maryanne Trump Barry after Barry was appointed as a federal judge Trump called cone to thank him for pulling strings on his sister's behalf. The cone was not given a public position in the Reagan Administration. He was not nearly a dirty trickster who worked in the shadows during the Reagan campaigns. In fact, he worked closely with some of the more visible faces of the campaign including the then communications director for Reagan's nineteen eighty campaign and later CIA director William Casey according to Christine. See more cones longtime switchboard operator from the late nineteen sixty Gene up until his death in 1986 who listened in on his calls Casey and Cone were close friends and during the nineteen eighty campaign. Casey called Roy almost daily Seymour also noted that one of cones off most frequent phone Pals and closest friends was Nancy Reagan, and she was also one of his clients Reagan whose influence over her husband was well-known was so close to Cone that it was largely his death from AIDS took her to encourage her husband to seek more funding for AIDS research prior to cones death Nancy and her husband Ronald secured his spot on an exclusive experimental AIDS treatment program. Despite the Reagan Administration. As well documented non response to the AIDS crisis of the era. Ronald Reagan was also a friend of cones and according to late journalist, Robert Parry lavished favors on Cone including invitations to White House events personal thank you notes and friendly birthday wishes over the course of his presidency given that Reagan heavily courted the Evangelical right and promoted family values as president. The close ties between not only himself but his inner circle with cone may seem odd. However, Reagan light cone had deep ties to the same organized crime factions that were among cones clients and Affiliates of the same Mafia figures close to Cone Zone or Louis Rosenstiel see part one not unlike cone Reagan's own Mentor Lew Wasserman had close ties to the Mob Wasserman the longtime president of MCA and the well-known Hollywood Mogul is known for not only making Reagan's film and television career, but also supporting his successful push to become president of the Screen Actors Guild which later launched Reagan's political career in addition m c e Was a major financier of Reagan's successful gubernatorial bid in nineteen sixty-six and not long after Reagan became president his administration controversially shut down a massive Department of Justice doj wage probe into MCAS ties to organized crime according to Sean swords a documentary filmmaker who explored Reagan's ties to MCA in wages of spin to bring down that wall. Ronald Reagan was an opportunist. His whole career was Guided by MCA by Wasserman and MCA founder Jule styne who bragged that Reagan was malleable that they could do what they wanted with him that thing about Reagan being tough on organized crime. That's a fallacy swords characterization of this relationship is supported by an unnamed Hollywood Source cited in a Declassified doj document who called Regan a complete slave of amca who would do their bidding on anything what elements of organized crime were connected to Wasserman has a young man Lew Wasserman joined the Mayfield Road gang, which was run by Moe dalitz a close friend of mine wage. Lansky Hooper the FBI was a powerful figure in Lansky's criminal Enterprise second only to Lansky himself among members of the Jewish mob Lew Wasserman would later married with Beckerman whose father was Dallas is lawyer wasserman's closest friend and lawyer. Sydney korshak also had close ties to dalits and once partnered with Lansky in the Acapulco Towers Hotel. Notably. The magazine New West stage in nineteen Seventy-Six. That korshak was The Logical successor to Meyer Lansky korshak as a lawyer fit a niche similar to Roy Cohn and gained a reputation as the bridge between organized crime and respectable Society in addition the doj probe into MCA that the Reagan Administration quashed was reportedly spurred after the justice department learned that an influential member of the gambino crime family Salvador pisillo was doing business with the massive entertainment company at that time the boss of the gambino crime family Paul Castellano was a client of Roy Kone Kone Murdoch and the contras though cones influence in the rain. Administration and his friendship with the Reagan family and their Inner Circle has been acknowledged less well-known is how cone aided the cia's covert propaganda efforts that were part of the larger Scandal known as Iran-Contra took whose influence over the Press has already been detailed forged close ties with the director of the US information agency Chadwick even hosting a luncheon and Wicks honor that was widely attended by influential figures in the conservative press as well as senators and representatives soon after then CIA director and Cone friend William Casey was spearheading an extensive PR campaign aimed at Shoring up public support for Reagan's Latin American policies, including support of the Contra paramilitaries. This domestic propaganda effort was technically illegal and required the the CIA Outsource the job to the private sector to minimize the risk of Fallout has Robert Peary reported in 2015, which took the lead in obtaining private funding for the effort and just a few days after which promised to find private support cone brought his close friend the medium. Oh God. Rupert Murdoch to the White House Perry later noted that after this meeting documents released during the Iran-Contra scandal in nineteen-eighty-seven and later from the Reagan Library indicate that Murdock was soon viewing a source for the private funding for the propaganda campaign after that initial meeting Murdock became the top media Ally of this Casey directed propaganda effort and also became increasingly close to the Reagan White House Murdock as a consequence benefited greatly from Reagan's policies and his friendship with the administration which allowed Murdoch to increase his Us Media Holdings and to create the fox Broadcasting Corporation in nineteen-eighty-seven. The man in the black tuxedo Roy Cohn was not the only one close to the Reagan Administration who was simultaneously running sexual blackmail operations that abused and exploited children. In fact, there were several figures all of whom shared direct connections to CIA director William Casey and other close friends and confidants of cone. One of these individuals was Robert Keith Gray the former chairman and CEO. The powerful washington-based public relations firm of Hill and Knowlton which sixty minutes once called an unelected Shadow government do to its influence in the capital. According to the Washington Post gray himself with one of the most sought-after lobbyists in Washington and a post reporter once called him a kind of Legend in this town the man in the black tuxedo with Snow White hair and a smile like a diamond yet gray was much more of a powerful PR executive. Hello everyone. We want to thank you for listening to our podcast and remind you that while it is free, there are ads so that we can keep it free bringing you the whole truth costs money in the form of the time are people used to bring you all this honest information. All you have to do is subscribe and listen then the advertisers will help support us. Our current sponsor is Anchor. FM. If you haven't heard about anchor it's the easiest way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free. There's creation tools that allow you to record and edit your podcast right from your phone or computer birth. Her will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on Spotify Apple podcast and many more you can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. It's everything you need to make a podcast took one place download the free anchor app or go to Anchor FM to get started today. If you support our work, please feel free to donate now back to the cast gray who had previously been a close adviser to both Dwight D Eisenhower and Richard Nixon was a very successful Republican fundraiser who collects money in six-figure Globs according to a 1974 report in the Washingtonian. He first came into close contact with what would become Ronald Reagan's Inner Circle during Reagan's unsuccessful 1976 presidential campaign and later his deputy director of communications during Reagan's campaign in nineteen. The latter position would see him work directly under William Casey who later became CIA director grey would go on to coach are Reagan's inauguration committee and afterwards would return to the pr business job. Taking on several clients including Saudi arms dealer Adnan khashoggi and hedge fund manager Marc Rich both khashoggi and Rich will be discussed more in detail in part three of this report. Particularly Rich who's in a set of Israeli intelligence outfit Mossad and who's later criminal. Pardon by Bill Clinton was largely orchestrated by members of the mega group like Michael steinhardt and Israeli politicians like a who'd Barak with the connection between gray and Casey is particularly telling as it was later revealed by former Nebraska state senator turned investigator, John de camp that gray was a specialist in homosexual blackmail operations for the situation and was reported to have collaborated with Roy Cohn in those activities Conan gray were likely to have known each other. Well as during Reagan's nineteen eighty presidential campaign Casey then grazed boss was calling Roy Cohn every day. According to cones former switchboard operator Christine. See more gray was a known associate of CIA agent and Naval intelligence officer Edwin Wilson having served in the 1970s on the birth. Consultants International an organization that Wilson had founded and that the CIA used as a front company though gray attempted to distance himself from Wilson after the latter was caught illegally selling weapons to Libya in nineteen eighty-three and AV review of Wilson's intelligence career on Earth by journalist, Peter Maas stated that gray described Wilson as a man of unqualified trust and that gray and Wilson had been in professional contact two or three times a month as early as 1963 though Wilson's main specialty was front companies used to covertly ship and smuggle Goods on behalf of us intelligence. He also ran sexual blackmail operations Thursday, I a particularly around the time of the Watergate scandal according to his former partner and fellow agent at the CIA Frank terpil turple later told author and investigative journalist. Jim Hogan took Eric Lee. One of Wilson's agency jobs was to subvert members of both houses of Congress by any means necessary certain people could be easily coerced by living out their sexual fantasy In the Flesh a ROM. Terms of these occasions was permanently recorded via selected cameras. The technicians in charge of filming were TSD Technical Services Division of the CIA, the unwitting pornos Stars advanced in their political careers some of whom may still be in office according to turple Wilson ran his operation out of the Georgetown Club owned by lobbyists and Korean intelligence asset Thompson Park according to the Washington Post Park set up the club on behalf of the Korean Central Intelligence Agency as a primary means in an illegal effort to influence us politicians and officials the president of the Georgetown Club at the time of Wilson's alleged activities at the site was Robert Keith Gray DeCamp later reported that Wilson's activities were a spin-off of the same sexual blackmail operation in which cone became involved during the McCarthy ERA with Louis Rosenstiel injector Hoover father Ritter and his favorite youths the operation allegedly ran by grey and Wilson was not the only sexual blackmail operation connected to cones Network or two influential American politicians job. The era another pedophile Network that was connected to a close associate of former President George HW Bush in the early 1990s was run as an affiliate of the Catholic charity Covenant House, which was founded and run by father Bruce Ritter in nineteen. Sixty-eight Ritter asked his Superior Cardinal Francis Spellman of the Archdiocese of New York for permission to take homeless teenagers boys and girls into his home in Manhattan as was noted in part. One of this series Spelman was accused of pedophilia and ordained known pedophiles while serving as the highest-ranking Catholic priest in the United States Spelman was also a close associate client and friend of Roy Cohn as well as of his law partner Tom Boland and Spellman was alleged to have been seen at at least one of cones blackmail parties in addition. Spellman's nephew said Spelman worked for Roy Cohn according to Life Magazine Ritter like Spelman and other priests who served under Spelman was eventually accused of having sexual relationships with many of the underaged boys. He had taken in a name. Bending Covenant House funds on lavish gifts and payments to the vulnerable teenagers. He exploited one of Ritter's victims Daryl Bassel wrote an open letter to him a year after the priests praying on teenage boys was exposed by the Press you were wrong for inflicting your desires on a fourteen-year-old. I know that someday you will stand before the one who judges all of us and at that time there will be no more denial just a truth notably wage when Ritter's activities at covenant House were exposed in nineteen eighty-nine by the New York Post Charles M Senate the post reporter who wrote the story would later state that the secular Powers more than the Archdiocese or the Francisco protected him Ritter Senate's report was attacked viciously by columnists and other New York media Outlets powerful politicians, including then governor of New York Mario Cuomo as well as by Cardinal Spellman successful or Cardinal John O'Connor the likely reason these secular Powers came to the aid of the embattled Ritter who was never charged for having sexual relationships with minors and was merely forced to resign from his post. Is that coveted job. House and Ritter himself were deeply tied to Robert McCauley Bush senior's roommate at Yale and a long time friend of the Bush family. Macaulay was described by the New York Times as instrumental to Covenant House fundraising after he joined its board in nineteen eighty-five and brought on several other wealthy or well-connected people including former government officials and investment bankers, mccolley's organization. The americares foundation choice later accused of funneling money to the contras in Central America was one of the main sources of funding of Covenant House. One of the members of americares Advisory Board was William E Simon former US Secretary of the Treasury under the Nixon and Ford administrations who also ran the Nicaraguan Freedom fund which sent Aid to the contras americares was also known to work directly with us intelligence has the Hartford Courant know back in nineteen. Ninety one knowledgeable former Federal officials many with backgrounds in intelligence work help americares maneuver in delicate International political environments. Furthermore. Ritter was known to have thought Mccolley's Connecticut estate and served as Vice President of America cares until he was forced to resign from Covenant House. Notably George HW Bush's brother Prescott was also on the Americas Advisory board after George HW Bush died last year americares stated that he had been instrumental in founding the hell focussed relief and development organization years before Ritter was outed as a pedophile who played on the disadvantaged and vulnerable teenagers who sought Refuge at his charity Covenant House was praised heavily by President Ronald Reagan even earning a mention in his 1984 State of the Union Address, which called rid of one of the country's unsung heroes from 1985 to 1989 Covenant House is operating budget Grew From $27 to ninety million dollars and it's board came to include powerful individuals including top Executives at IBM Chase Manhattan bank and bear Stearns. It was during this time that Covenant House grew into an international organization opening branches in several countries including Canada, Mexico. And elsewhere in Central America its first branch in Central America was opened in Guatemala and was headed by Roberto elezar a CIA asset whose Plantation was used to train the troops used in the CIA. The failed Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba. Alisara was also an associate of the former us back dictator of Nicaragua, Anastasio Somoza and a member of the Knights of Malta a Catholic order to which former CIA director William Casey and Roy Combs law partner Tomball and also belonged a less arzu. Also worked for americares. Hen was tied to several Central American paramilitary groups intelligence Community sources cited by DeCamp assert that the stars who led branch of Covenant House procured children for a pedophile ring based in the United States years later micasa and other us run charity and wash all of the George HW Bush had personally toured with his wife Barbara in Nineteen. Ninety Four was accused of rampant pediphilia and child abuse the downfall of Washington's Jay Gatsby after having left his job as a nabob. C News correspondent in the 1980s Craig spends found success as a prominent conservative Washington lobbyists spends would soon find his fortunes shift dramatically. When in June nineteen eighty-nine, it was revealed. He had been pimping out children to the power elite in the nation's capital throughout the nineteen-eighties in apartments that were bugged with video and audio recording equipment much like Jeffrey Epstein who ran a similar operation spends often likened to Jay Gatsby the mysterious wealthy figure from the well-known Fitzgerald novel The Great Gatsby a 1982 New York Times article written about Spence said that his personal phone book and party guest list constitute a who's who in Congress government and journalism and stated that Spence was hired by his clients as much for whom he knows as what he knows. Spence was also known to throw lavish parties, which the time described as glittered with notables from ambassador's to television stars from Senators to senior State Department officials Roy Cohn William, Casey Android cones journalist friend, William safire were just some of the page Attendees at Spencer's festivities according to mister Spence the Times article continues Richard Nixon is a friend. So his former Attorney General under Nixon John Mitchell CBS journalist. Eric's every is termed an old dear friend Senator. John Glenn is a good friend and Peter Austin of British actor and journalists is an old old friend notably Austin of wrote for the European newspaper soon after it was founded in nineteen ninety by Robert Maxwell, the father of Epstein's alleged Madam Glenn Maxwell and a known Mossad agent. It was revealed just seven years after the times published its doting profile of Spence that glittery parties for key officials of the Reagan and Bush administrations media stars and top Military Officers had been bugged in order to compromise guests according to the explosive report published by the Washington Times. Spence was linked to a homosexual prostitution ring whose clients include a government officials. Locally-based US Military Officers businessmen lawyers Bankers Congressional aides media Representatives down. Other professionals Spence also offered cocaine to his guests as another means of acquiring blackmail according to the report spends. His home was bugged and had a secret two-way mirror and he attempted to ensnare visitors into compromising sexual encounters that he could then use as leverage one man. Who spoke to the Washington Times said that spends sent a limousine to his home which took him to a party where several young men tried to become friends with him. According to DeCamp Spence was known to offer young children for sex to attend. He's at his blackmail parties along with illegal drugs, like cocaine several other sources including a Reagan White House official and an Air Force Sergeant who had attended Spence hosted parties confirmed that Spence's house was filled with recording equipment, which he regularly used to spy on and record guests and his house also included a two-way mirror used for eavesdropping the report also documented Spence's connections to us intelligence particularly the CIA according to the Washington Times report Spence often boasted that he was working for the job. And on one occasion said he was going to disappear for a while because he had an important CIA assignment. He was also quite paranoid about his alleged work for the agency has he expressed concern that the CIA to double-cross him and kill him instead and then make it look like a suicide not long after the Washington Times report on his activities was published Spence was found dead in the Boston Ritz-Carlton and his death was quickly off the suicide the Washington Times report also offers a clue as to what spends may have done for the CIA as it's cited sources that had claimed that spends had spoken of smuggling cocaine into the US from El Salvador home and operation that he claimed had involved US military personnel given the timing of these comments from Spence Spence his powerful connections and the cia's involvement in the exchange of cocaine for weapons in the Iran-Contra scandal. His comments may have been much more than just boasts intended to impress his party guests one of the most critical parts of the Scandal surrounding spends. However was the fact that he had been able to enter the White House life. At night during the George HW Bush Administration with young men whom the Washington Times described as call boys spends later stated that his contacts within the White House which allowed him and his call boys access were off level officials and he specifically singled out George HW Bush's then National Security advisor, Donald Greg Greg had worked at the CIA since 1951 before he resigned in nineteen eighty-two to become National Security advisor to Bush who was then vice president prior to resigning from his post at the CIA. Greg had worked directly under William Casey and in the late 1970s alongside a young William barg stonewalling the Congressional Pike committee and church committee which investigated the CIA beginning in nineteen seventy-five among the things that they were tasked with investigating where the cia's love traps or sexual blackmail operations used to lure foreign diplomats to bug departments complete with recording equipment and two-way mirrors bar would later become Bush's attorney general rising to that post yet again under Trump furthermore wage. Bars father worked for the precursor to the CIA the office of strategic Services OSS and recruited a young Jeffrey Epstein then a high school dropout to teach at the elite Dalton school from which Epstein was later fired a year prior to hiring Epstein Donald bar published a science fiction fantasy novel about sex slavery. Notably the same year Donald bar hired Epstein. His son was working for the CIA. The bill bar has refused calls to recuse himself from the Epstein case, even though he worked at the same Law Firm that has represented Epstein in the past. Donald Gregg is also connected to Roy Combs influence machine took his daughter's marriage to Christopher Buckley the son of conservative journalist William Buckley close Confidant and friend of both Roy Cohn & cones law partner Tom Boland the Washington Times reports on Spence's child sex ring also revealed his close ties to none other than the ubiquitous Roy Cohn one of the times sources for its first story on the Scandal alleged that he had attended a birthday party for Roy Cohn that spends at home. His home and that CIA director William Casey was also in attendance Spence was also said in the report too often brag about his social Companions and regularly mentioned cone and claim to have hosted Coney Waffle House on occasions other than the aforementioned birthday party bodies by God. The revelation of Craig Spence is call Boy ring soon led to the discovery of the infamous Franklin child sex abuse and ritual murder scan that sorted operation was run out of Omaha, Nebraska by Larry King a prominent local Republican activist and lobbyist who ran the Franklin Community Federal Credit Union until it was shut down by federal authorities buried in am a 1989 article in the Omaha World-Herald probe into Kings Credit Union and sex ring is a telling Revelation in the six and a half months since Federal authorities closed Franklin rumors home listed that money from the credit union somehow found its way to the Nicaraguan Contra Rebels the possibility that Kings fraudulent Credit Union was covertly funding the contras was supported by subsequent reporting by the huge. Post Pete Brewton who discovered that the CIA in conjunction with organized crime had secretly borrowed money from various Savings and Loans S&L institutions to fund covert operations. One of SNL's had Neil Bush George HW Bush's son on its board and it had done business with Kings organization another link between king and the Iran-Contra team is the fact that King had co-founded and subsequently donated over $25,000 to an organization affiliated with the Reagan Administration citizens for America which sponsored speaking trips for lieutenant colonel Oliver North and Contra leaders, the director of citizens for America at the time was David Carmen who simultaneously ran a public relations firm with the former head of covert operations at the case. He led CIA his father Gerald who had also been appointed by Reagan had the general Services Administration and to a subsequent ambassadorship one of the investigative journalists who researched the Craig Spence ring later told DeCamp that Spence's ring was connected to King the way we discussed wage. Larry King and his nebraska-based call Boy ring was by looking through the credit card sheets of Spencer's ring where we found Kings name. It was later revealed that King and Spence were essentially business partners as their child trafficking Rings were operated under a larger group. That was nicknamed bodies by God exactly. How many groups operated under this umbrella group bodies by God is unknown yet. What is known is that the Rings Wrong by both King and Spence were connected to each other and both were also connected to prominent officials in the Reagan and subsequent George HW Bush administration's including officials with ties to the CIA and Roy comb his Network indeed Spence just months before his alleged suicide in the Boston Ritz-Carlton had hinted to Washington Times reporters, Michael Hedges and Jerry super who had originally broken the story that they had merely scratched the surface of something much darker all the stuff you've uncovered involving call boys bribery and the White House tours. To be honest with you is insignificant compared to other things I've done but I'm not going Tell you those things and somehow the world will carry on. It is also worth noting the role of the FBI in all of this particularly in the Franklin child sex abuse Scandal indeed. Larry King's child abuse ring was quickly and aggressively covered up by the FBI which used a variety of underhanded tactics to bury the reality of King sorted operation here. It is important to recall the key role former FBI director J Edgar Hoover played in similar sexual blackmail operations that abused children see part I and the close relationship between Hoover Roy Cohn and Louis Rosenstiel who later employed Hoover's former right off hand man at the FBI Louis Nichols years later documents released by the FBI would show that Epstein became an FBI informant in 2008. When Robert Mueller was the bureau's director in exchange for immunity from then pending federal charges a deal that fell through with Epstein's recent arrests on new federal charges. In addition former. FBI director Louis. Freeh would be hired by Alan dershowitz who is accused. Of raping girls at Epstein's homes and was once a character witness for Roy Cohn to intimidate Epstein's victims has previously mentioned freeze past appointment as a judge for the United States district court for the southern district of New York was orchestrated by cones law partner Tom Boland. Thus the FBI's cover-up of the Franklin case is just one example of the bureau's long-standing practice of protecting these pedophile ring when they involve members of the American political Elite and provide the bureau with a steady supply of blackmail had also makes it worth questioning the impartiality of one of the main prosecutors in the Jeffrey Epstein case Maureen, who is the daughter of former FBI director James Comey the rod at the top while there were several sexual trafficking operations connected to both Roy Cohn and the halls of power under the Reagan Administration in a matter of months after cones death. It appears that another individual became a central figure in the powerful Network that cone had cultivated that individual Jeffrey Epstein would be recruited after his firing from the Dalton School. By Alan Greenberg a close friend of cone to work at Bear Stearns after leaving bear Stearns and working as an alleged Financial Bounty Hunter for clients that are said to have included the Iran-Contra linked arms dealer Adnan khashoggi Epstein would come into contact with Leslie Wexner a billionaire close to the Meyer Lansky link bronfman family who himself was tied to members of organized crime syndicates once represented by kolin off the same year that Wexner would begin his decades-long association with Epstein and other cone friend with ties to the Reagan White House and the Trump family Ronald Lauder would provide Epstein with an Austrian passport containing jeans picture, but a false name Lauder Wexner and the bronfman's are members of an elite organization known as the mega Group, which also includes other Meyer Lansky connected philanthropists, like hedge fund manager Michael steinhardt wage while Epstein shares considerable overlap with the network described in this report and part one of the series he is also deeply connected to the mega group as well as its associates including ghislaine Maxwell's father dead. Maxwell part three of the series will focus on the mega group and its ties to the network that has been described in Parts one and two in addition the role of the state of Israel the Mossad and several Globe a pro-israel Lobby organizations will also be discussed in relation to this network of sexual blackmail operations. And Jeffrey Epstein it is here that the full breadth of the Epstein Scandal comes into view. It is a criminal and unconscionable blackmail operation that has been run by influential figures hidden in plain sight for over half-a-century exploiting and destroying the lives of Untold numbers of children in the process over the years. It has grown many branches and spread well beyond the United States has seen by the activity of Covenant House in Latin America and Epstein's own International effort to recruit more girls to be abused and exploited all this has taken place with the full knowledge and blessing of top figures in the world of philanthropy and in the US government and intelligence communities with great influence over several presidential administrations, particularly since birth. eyes of Ronald Reagan and continuing through to Donald Trump

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"And now for your listening pleasure. Here's polisi covering media marketing and digital content. Take it away. Hello my friends. This is robert rose and welcome to episode number two hundred seventy eight of this old marketing recorded on thursday july. First twenty twenty one and with me as always my good friend my colleague and a guy. Who's definitely not as hot as those in vancouver right now mr joe pellets. See how are you. Are you staying cool got. Have you seen the temp i. I talked to somebody the other day in washington state that said it was one hundred seventeen or sixteen degrees. is that a thing or which regime. Yeah it's i mean it's a thing you know for those of us who live in southern california and especially those of us who live in the san fernando valley. one hundred. Seventeen degrees is definitely hot. But it's not unheard of right. I mean it's you know it's it's it's it's very very hot here in the summertime you know especially if you go a little west palm springs or anything like that but in vancouver i mean are you kidding me that they're just not ready for that level of heat there. It's kind of outrageous and just learning about the this climate change global warming thing. I didn't know that this was happening. Really oh is this. this is news to you. I know who who knew nobody. Nobody ever talks about this. Yeah really it's it's it's just this whole new thing that we need to pay attention to apparently apparently we're getting a little warmer in the climate and it's causing some trouble so speaking of getting warmer in and i'm sure everyone will was. You're the hallways. You're my god. We're going to go back to that too because so many people wished you happy birthday last week. Probably because it was lovely. I had yes. That's correct and i'm sure that was exactly at my birthday was lovely. Thank you very much. I did not do much of anything other than so okay. This is this will make you laugh. I'm not sure that most of the audience will necessarily get this reference but my wife made me dinner and she made me nineteen seventies suburban kid version of tacos. So you remember taco night in the nineteen seventies when your mom would make the hard shell tacos with ground beef shredded lettuce and cheese and sour cream and the whole thing. Yeah she made me that and it was just it was like right out of my childhood it was just so great taco bell like this was no run. A taco bell was legit sort of nineteen seventies. You know taco night and it was so much fun had you know just to sit there and now she also made my wife makes killer killer guacamole and she made guacamole for me as well. But you know for those of you who don't know in the audience by the way mexican food is my absolute one hundred percent favorite food. It's i could live on an every day with my with tequila. Oh yes i had. I had some fine tequila. I had some fine fine tequila. Yeah it was. It was a good birthday. I had a lovely lovely time. Thank you for asking for congratulations on yet. Another year of fine up a fight that you very much for that though. Yes the my We talked about it a little bit. But on sunday. I took my youngest down to university of kentucky and Yeah he had orientation got them all signed up for classes. Did the whole thing. But the trip from cleveland. Ohio to lexington kentucky is supposed to be a little over five hours. Okay but when you're at an hour plus standstill both ways see. I still haven't made it in that. It's been well over six hours both ways and we had to do it because i had to be back in cleveland for a variety of issues but we can only stay one one night so went down sunday night got in very very late because of the traffic issue and consider as a huge accident. Both ways. I think everyone was ok. Thankfully so we did that. Do the whole day at kentucky and then actually had to leave a little bit early driving all the way back in he is generally stuck with my podcast listening. So i'll put on a bitcoin crypto. Nf no because the last time we did he. I put on the nfc one. That pie forgot which podcast it was and he went to sleep and forty five minutes later he got up and he said they're still talking about the same thing. Dad like so we go down. We were listening to a bunch of different podcasts. On the way down we listened to smart list. I'll talk about that later. And then on the way back. I said look why. What's a podcast that you like like. Why don't we put on one of your podcasts. i don't have to dominate this whole thing and he says i don't know it might not be you know he's he's eighteen and i know this this stuff that's probably not great but he says this is not something that mom could listen to. I'm like okay. What do you got and he says. Okay there's this podcast called Fear and molding. Have you heard of this podcast. I have not heard hassan. Piker is. I've heard the name. But i do not but i. I'm not familiar. Hassan piker is one of the most popular twitch streamers and he was one of the freeze actually in the continent book. We talk about him because he made the switch he was into politics and he was one of the first wants to make it on. Twitch as a non gamer so he streams all day long about political stuff. But he's on the left not on the right so he's one of the few. Okay yeah as most of them are on the conservative side. So buren maulding podcasts. With this gentleman. Hassan piker very popular and will enough. And i don't know well. This is the first time. I've known well but i start listening to some of these podcasts. At all my gut. It probably was a combination of the fact that i got slap happy like our four into the drive and it started to get dark but i i gotta first of all if anyone listens to this. I'm sorry because it's so down in the dumps was some of this but he does he. Does this rocky impression and he starts going on about how is it. Mc who's the trainer mick. Right mickey mickey us. They were talking about how they missed. Cut head cut me cut me. Yeah so they were. They were talking about how they wanna do more. They wanna see more rocky movies but mix not there in mic was a really important part in starts talking about the chicken seeds in mexico to you know you got you gotta chase the chicken to be a word to be a champion. You gotta chase the chicken and that he talks about this. Then you gotta catch the chicken and then you got to force yourself. The chicken and i lost. It aren't talking about. How many tickets did muhammad ali force himself on b because he was so great that okay. That's all i can say because this is somewhat of family friendly show. I lost it. Of course it makes. It makes by sud so happy. Because i've enjoyed his totally. You know future really cavin. Yeah but anyways. Yeah if you're if you like You know left leaning politics and you don't mind a little potty humor it's a great podcast so there you go there. You go not not necessarily the most ringing of endorsements but an endorsement on them. I just had a catch. The ticket i gotta work on my mic impression. Yeah be of. Your burgess meredith impression. That is that an penguin. I mean he was so good. But i am of course always remember them from rocky one two and he was in three right. He was clubber lang didn't he was. Yeah the cat has died in the third one. I believe that is correct. I know he died. yes. He died in three echoes. Correct insurance social media. This is incorrect. But i believe he died in three one two or paulo and three was yesterday. Cluber line. I believe that is correct because the because what happened in three was that a apollo had to come in and train them for that. That's right he lost his mojo. Yeah exactly and he had to go out to la and that's when they ran on the beach and they're big tube socks have you. Only the best part is when they run and rocky beats apollo which never would happen in that sprint. There's no way it's happening. And then no there's no way and then they start jumping and frolicking in the water. Which is the one of the weirdest scenes in movie history. And you're looking at that. Like why are they. They're frolicking in the water. Yeah and while there. It's not not have been in there. It's the most eighties thing ever with eye of the tiger and Yeah it's so good. Okay last thing on this michael jordan rocky movies the creed movie i have. Oh my gosh. They're they're well. Well i'll i'll say this. I think they're fine. I michael b. Jordan is just an amazing actor. I mean he's just so good. And i can watch him. You know he's a little bit like denzel to me. You know it kind of doesn't matter what he's in. I just watch it. Because he's he's his performance is always so great so the movies themselves are like they're kind of you know they're they're kind of formulaic great. You know exactly how it's going to. You know exactly what's going on right. You know right you know. Oh here's the scene where he gets really mad at his significant other because she doesn't believe in him and you know it's like okay go ahead you know. It's like that right so but but he's great in it you know so. Yeah i like him. Okay well before we go on the last thing. I would want to say while we're on the movie topic and the importance it is on it does have to do with our show here. The importance of consistency in movie creation. F nine fast and furious nine. Came out right deaths last week. Yes right the world did not need that but yes it did come out it. It's the second or third. Maybe the third largest movie franchise in history. I know i. It's very popular but allies. There's a movie. I can't get behind. I just. I've been able to get behind any of those movies. I mean part of it is the fact that we've talked about this on the show before is that i just have no love for cars at all. And if you don't have a love for cars movies now really going to resonate with you but but you don't like yeah. I'm fills mostly. I do love action. Films i love. I adore action films. I you know with with exceptions right like the indefinite not like new. No not necessarily good. Lord i'm the age thing cerebral. That's all i got. It's all i come back to the same jokes every time you know. Whatever it's easy although although there are some great action movies from the sixties and seventies right bullet. And you know there's some point. I'm trying to make is and you've you've you've done this very well that the fast and furious movies themselves. Not cinematic artistry by any means right but they've consistently delivered every other yes oh last audience to their audience. Yeah and because of that. I think because of that consistency more than anything. They've been able to grow this thing. And i think a lot of people discount that where because the first fast the second fast and furious was more popular than the first. And then the you know. It's it's almost like when you write a novel. Your first novel usually doesn't do well but it'll do great if you keep writing novel to novel. Three number four. And you've seen that happen. With like john grisham and tom clancy and those types of things where they not necessarily a hit the first time around. But you keep writing and the consistency. Yeah well that's a great point because and we've seen this happen in business as well where it's not the the the first thing you do the first white paper you do the first thing you do. And but but if you build a series out of it and you start delivering consistency. You know these. You've got you know the third becomes your hit as it were and the halo effect that you get around that for making the second and first more popular as a result you know is is is a real thing and what you're talking about is is happens all the time in movies where you know. The first iron man was not that big hit. It wasn't until. I think three that it really caught on and then started to make one and too much more popular as a result in. It's it's so interesting. I had somebody email me yesterday or the day before and they have a client. Who's really struggling on youtube. And i'm not a youtube expert. But they sa- joe. Can you take a look at this. And just see why. They're not getting any views. And i went and looked at all the videos and whatever and i said well first of all. What's the goal i mean. I'm sure views our views the goal because of use of the goal. We got problems right now. Please don't so i said. Hey okay you've got these sporadic youtube videos. I said what was the goal. The peace you know. What are we trying to do here. What we're trying to build. And then i said you know without a consistent show informat because it wasn't. It was just a video here video there and they're very disgruntled off the fact that they're not getting any views i said if you if you're not consistent you're not going to build an audience i said so so what are you. What are you doing here. If you're going to do something you need something like a weekly show with a certain premise and a certain hook and you need to do this consistently over a long period of time. And i said you know what it was like five or six months since the first video i said. I don't know what kind of expectations you have. But you can't bill an audience and five or six months. It's not gonna happen. Maybe between twelve and eighteen months you should have some expectations of ability minimum viable audience. But it's so funny. How over and over again we get into these conversations and we look at this. We're talking about the cinematic experience or you talk about novels you. We just have unrealistic expectations with when we put out a piece of content that we think it's gonna hit right away and you and i talked about this a half hour ago. We get on. They don't think about the marketing of the content. Before i hand they. I put it on youtube and youtube is going to do the work for me. They're not yep no. There's not just interesting. How all this comes together. And that's our show for today. Sorry exactly exactly where it up. We do have news to talk about on some breaking news. We actually have breaking news here in the in the pr t. om. Newsroom is a busy newsroom. Here have you seen our newsroom lately. It's there's a lot of people in that newsroom. We should do. Like a sound effect of a typing. Did it did it do that. First story comes to us. Courtesy of espn and it is actually a breaking news story. That's happening just as we Go to record today. Ncaa athletes are cashing in now on their name image and likeness and so the ncaa has finally after years and years and years of pressure going to allow ncaa athletes in all kinds of sports to start to make money off of their name and likeness. And you may be going. Well why is that a part of your show. Well if you think about it for a moment folks. This is content creators. this is content marketing. This is media at its core here and so the article basically opens up with a number of examples of these athletes that are now going to be able to take advantage of this and this includes everybody from women's basketball to men's basketball to of course the football which of course everybody sort of has in their sights at the moment and then there's just all manner of things from companies that are now having money in the wings have been waiting for this uni. Lever is already said. They're going to spend five million dollars on on influencers in the space and start to get you know. Sponsorship deals there are athletes that are starting to sell their own merch and there are even. There's a wonderful tweet from One of the a linebacker. It looks like from from a football team effort from a college football team. Who's now a musician. Who says i'm now going to open up and i'm going to start playing for money in all venues and business opportunities and if you want to sponsor my music there you go. So what do you think about this. Joe i mean this is this is really like we're opening up the gates here. It feels like i think the days of where you had michael jordan join the nba and the big nike deal and the big endorsements. Those days are gone because they're going to happen. Start happening about ten years before that time. Now i mean if you think about it if you have a goal and you wanna play play professional sports or even competitive collegiate sports you start working on your brand image at twelve thirteen. Maybe nine as you're going through because that's all going to help you build a business long-term so i guess the way that i'm looking at it as the the i'm looking at this. Npr article and it says this is going to apply to three divisions college divisions and four hundred sixty thousand athletes is a four hundred sixty thousand athletes that have multiple platforms on the web that they need to start developing consistent information. Not all of them but a good portion of them will do that and they can now support themselves as a small business. You've just created the opportunity for almost a half a million businesses to start. I don't think a lot of people are thinking about that. But that's right. It's exactly happen you just you just said oh my god. Let's open up the entrepreneurial floodgates now you could. You could talk about whether or not. This should be done or shouldn't be done but now that has you know you can't talk about it anymore. This is happening and once you open this door. There's no going back. And now you get to your universe right nike Or or just think. About what i think everyone to. Your point is talking about the college. Men's college basketball player. A women's college basketball player. Men's college football probably the biggest opportunities but look at lacrosse. Look at volleyball. Look at the different opportunities where you have a number of brands that want to reach that audience and a number of the people that follow those college athletes at. It's gotta be amazing to see this. It's going to be. I you know and boy i worry a little bit about this and you should. That's what i'm saying there's going to be. Yeah there's gonna be some hashtag fails here for sure. And i just you know i start looking out at the you know the nba draft and the nfl draft. And boy i start you know one of the things about both of those as and just as an example. Because you know this i mean like to your point. This is across the entirety of every sport. That that these that these colleges are playing but just the most high profile for a moment. Nba draft an nfl draft. And when you draft the number quarterback from clemson or from some other school the sort of inherent thing there is that this you know the top you know. The number one picks are going to be rich right. You know you're gonna that's their that's their business now. Well the interesting thing will be to see where how this starts to affect the draft when you've got players who can now capitalize on their success as a player in ncaa and where the money might not be now. The driving thing and and and the interest in a particular team and the team's interest in a particular player may be driven a little bit different by economics in other words. If you've got a number fifteen or sixteen draft prospect. Let's just say just as an example. But they've been killing it in the sort of in the market for you know content or winter you know whatever it is does that up their draft capital with its yes in other words and the absolutely it does right. I mean if you start to get marquee player. Who's driving media dollars and driving audiences in a very similar way and this has happened here in hollywood to a to a large degree where casting decisions and i know this for a fact because many of my friends here in la have told me this directly casting decisions. These days are in many ways. Just about how many followers you have as it is to your performance in the audition so if a new show can cast someone and the choices between two actors who won has you know okay and to is the okay performances but one has a two million followers in the other has zero. Guess who's getting cast and that same idea is going to start to take place in sports as well and so it's just going to be very very interesting to see this because it just adds a new wrinkle to competition i in good and bad ways and i think there are you know i just. I hope that people take this with the you know the both of those things in mind so anyway. It's a cautionary tale waiting to happen. You're right. I think that the determination on talent alone not that it ever was just talent alone but of course name recognition should now and i mean even with even with the cleveland browns. You could you could make when they chose baker mayfield as their their quarterback they were. It was a number-one pick that year. You could have made a case that he was the fifth of the six best quarterback in that draft a lot of the reason why he got number one was because he was a favourite he was marketed a he marketed himself. Better for whatever reason and more well known than the other. Quarterbacks comes into the league and even though he doesn't play right away his jersey is right on the top. Five jerseys. Right away with tom. Brady and the other one's more people are signing up for Season tickets for brown's so it's a cascading effect of revenue for the organization. Even though baker hasn't played same thing is going to happen here. Do you get somebody. That's truly popular. That seeing the same thing happened with the the ball family like lonzo ball and that thing happened though. I don't know if those kids are any were asked. Talented is is the the picks thought that they were would be but hey right now they marketed in. Mr ball did a great job of marketing. Those kids so yup and by the way. Let's not forget that one that that that didn't start when they hit freshman year in college that that started when they were in high school. And one of the wrinkles here of course is that boosters are going to be allowed to fund some of this as well and so. You've got boosters at these colleges who are now going to be looking at high school kids and tempting them with not just you know a great education and a great you know and a great place to go play football or basketball or lacrosse or whatever but the ability to make an you know. Create a new business based on their name and likeness. So this is gonna this. This affects high school kids. It's if you want to see some of the effects it's already happening in the sports area. Because you've got kids that wanna be like my. My son plays valerie. And he wants to play for the university of kentucky. Valor at team. And he you know you you start working on this year's before you work on your following whether that's your whether you're a twitch dreamer or whether you're on snap or tick-tock or whatever the case is so you're already you know. They already learned. They're learning how to build their brands out. Because a lot of the reason why they will get picked is not just for their talent number one. They've got to be great. That's table stakes. But in addition these e sports groups are sponsored by. There was an east sports group. Or i can't remember the name of it that just got a huge sponsorship from f. t. it was a two hundred million dollars anyways this is already happening in the sports realm. They're doing this so you can see. These kids are going to start. Seven eight nine ten years old and they're going to turn about content creation and building an audience very very young. Yup because this is all new business area. That's that's untapped right now. Yep that's and that's and that is the part you know that will be very interesting to follow is because you know i mean and the article. Espn article is a really good one to to sort of show some of the you know the implications of this at the athlete level. You know one of the things that got an faq at the end of the article sort of goes through some of this and one of the things they touch on is that you know that what's expected to happen now is that you know the different schools right now. With in different states there are different. State laws that sort of affects some of this and that it will probably move. Its way through the congress. And so you'll get you'll get some level of national regulation on this but if and until that happens it's going to be the wild west and it will be. It will be very interesting to see how this affects the youngest of young. Because you know like you said four hundred sixty two thousand. New businesses will now have been launched overnight. And that's it's an amazing thing. Get ready i'm it. Yeah it's exciting and scary at the same. It's exciting and scary at the same time. Like i do like the fact if there's anything that i like in this whole thing. It's that the content i'm thinking about. These athletes is content creators now. Which maybe i shouldn't. But that's what i'm thinking about. But they're able to take more advantage and more control over the choices in their lives because they'll have some diversity of revenue the have more options and opportunities and they won't just have to go through the traditional way of. I have to go to a big name college. And then i hopefully. I'm good enough. And then i can go pro and whatever that means and then. I also think it's for the less popular sports on the men's and the women's side. I really great this. Yeah it's a really great thing for that. I don't think a lot of people thinking about this big stuff. But yeah i mean again if your water water polo whatever right. Yeah an opportunity. And i guess this other thing. My last question is this. This is a whole new thing for olympics. This is this change. Yeah for the olympics. Correct or how does that work. Well i know. It's i mean i i have not seen any clarification on that but but it would seem to me that it would disqualify any of these athletes from participating like if they participate in getting paid for their likeness and name et cetera. I'm assuming that that's going to basically make them quote unquote a professional in the eyes of the olympics And the olympic committee and that would disqualify them from participation. I i don't know the. I'm making that up because i don't know i mean does enter this but this getting revenue from places disqualify. I don't know that's where they're going to have yeah. I think it's anybody knows. Yeah this'll marketing hashtag. Let us let us know any olympic experts out there. We would like you. Don't wanna look it up right now. 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All right ladies and gentlemen. Let's move on to our next story here. Which is something that is also a interesting change. Here we come out of and return to some level of normalcy. This this article is going to come to. His courtesy of media post and the headline is experienced marketing. Returning to normal seventy five percent of brands have resumed live in person events and the article opens up by saying in another potentially leading indicator that the life of brand marketing is returning to normal seventy five percent of brand marketers have resumed live in person experiential marketing and just as importantly a significant percentage of consumers are coming back in person to experience them. Those are the findings of an analysis being released today by experience relationship management firm any road which is based on about three million unique experiential records from consumers engaging with more than four hundred brands across ninety countries primarily in the us and the uk while the analysis is not a census of all brands and their consumers worldwide any rose client base includes marketers such as budweiser dionicio. Honda nestle tabasco. It's representative snapshot of some leading brands. Live versus virtual experiential marketing status. And it goes on to sort of talk through some examples of that for example the gio offering distillery tours home depot offering. Diy workshops michael's the craft store offering in store virtual arts and crafts classes budweiser offering online or virtual or in person brewery tours etc etc. So i feel. This is well joe. I don't know. I don't have the data to to show like this but it feels very much like i have noticed a lot of you know anecdotally virtual events that i would have normally been invited to or normally ben Part of actually not have basically said. Hey listen we're gonna delay we're gonna wait 'til either end of this year or early next because we're really not interested in doing anything virtual anymore. We're looking at doing in person have you. Have you seen the same. Or what do you think it's yes. I totally agree with that. It's interesting to see how long this honeymoon period is going to last because you have consumers that are dying for in person experiences. Some some might say literally but So this is more than normal. Whatever normal is right more than normal. We wanna get out. We've got this you know. There's this pent up demand for in person event in the chart. They show in the the article where they've got. I mean you don't even need to see the numbers you know what's happening where you get in a virtual events going down and you've got in person events doing hockey stick growth up. Yeah so this right on to continue for the next twelve eighteen months in my opinion and If i'm a brand right now or small business. I'm putting a another five to ten percent in to the in person events but bucket because it's going to be. It's going to be boom times for the next year maybe more. I think that's true. I think that's true. I you know the the interesting thing for me is how many companies i see swinging back instead of doubling down i get maybe that maybe not the right way to say it but what. I'm what i mean by that is there. It's it's it's. It's the same mistake that we seem to always repeat In the digital world as you know as these crises unfold which is the digital because it's not as intimate because it's not as personal as it were we default to that only when we have to and so what. I see a lot of brands doing it again. This is anecdotal. I don't have a research data on this but for my anecdotal observation. I see a lot of companies that went hard into digital and creating these digital experiences to act as a proxy in many ways for these physical experiences that they were trying to create. And you know these dec- companies that they they mentioned are are among these but now that we're coming back to coming back to the physical while they're not saying let's continue to improve our digital experiences. They're saying yeah. Those were fine while we needed them but now they're letting them go again right. They're letting their sort of saying we're gonna move all of our resources and efforts back to physical. They're swinging the the budget and the resources and the strategy pendulum instead of saying great. Now let's re add and let's figure out what you know. How do we actually differentiate using both or incorporating both in keeping what we want to keep out of the digital experience and they're basically figuring out how they can actually reduce all of their digital experiences now so that they can actually make room for these physical experiences because they seem to be competing with one another and boy do. I think that's a mistake now. It's such thing. I that's a great take is. You're basically saying oh Last year let's put the the digital band-aid on and now they took the the band aid off and they're just trying to go. That's right and you're saying boy and if you did we learn nothing i mean. Did we learn as we did. But yeah i mean we learned we absolutely learn nothing because and i don't fault anyone to mean hindsight is twenty. Twenty no yeah. You're right okay. now we're going to do. We're going to do this virtual while we can while while here. We don't know how long it's going to be but you're right if the content marketing team got together and said all right. We don't know how long we there's a lot of questions we don't have answered. But what if we focus on this as a long-term experience digital experience instead of just whenever it comes back it comes back and that's what you're saying right that that would have been a huge opportunity because now you've got multiple platforms instead of. Just how do we take it to the next level. You know what i mean in other words instead of looking at through the you know this i mean i don't wanna know i don't want to get all sort of esoteric and marshall mcluhan knee and all that but but the when we look at digital versus physical instead of saying Digital was a proxy. Right we had to do digital because you know it just didn't work and that by the way i mean everything from the pick it up you know the direct to consumer movement of you know in terms of retail and how you went to the best buy and you sat in the parking lot and you had your text you know and all this. That was all digitally enabled right and and not the best. I'm not throwing best buy under the bus here. But but those kinds of programs are the ones that i'm seeing get killed now and replaced with. Hey the stores open right and so let's go back into the store and forget about all of those digital experiences that we created many of which were really really great and again. I'm not mentioning this specific experience. Because i know something about best buy. They're killing that program or whatever. But i mean in as as as an example of that i see many companies killing some of these new initiatives that they launched in twenty twenty to act as a proxy for some sort of physical whether it's e commerce whether it's a content marketing whether it's some sort of customer how to experience training all these things are now that the brands are going. Yeah that was neat while we needed them but we don't need them anymore and so let's just you know in some cases let's let them be or let's see how they perform or whatever but what we're not doing is saying. Hey now that physicals coming back. How do we change this digital experience to take advantage of the physical and make something even better evolved into even something better than that. And that's the missing piece. That i i see so often. Which is we still have this either or right. We still have this. It's either got to be physical or offline or online and it's just not that way anymore. Right what twenty twenty taught us. Was that both things it's intertwined inextricably intertwined now. And so. how do we actually take that to the to the next level and learn from what it is we had do twenty twenty and actually do something really interesting. I don't know what world you're living in the right lane mentality of o- of of most organizations along with the budget buckets. It's very hard. Yeah to do what you said with you. It's very hard. I agree with you but but normally you're going back on a different budget cycle with a different group of people. You're moving money. It's the short term. Isn't mean we just talked about before we think. Oh this what can. What do we need to do this. Quarter and a lot of it has to do with the financial incentives. And i mean this whole it could be a whole another podcast. That's right that's set up especially in some of these large companies. So i guess that's where i really do believe that. Smaller operators have a bigger opportunity here because they don't have the budget buckets. Julian one bucket if you will. And they don't necessarily have the short term campaign focus because they don't have to meet shareholder it investor demands boy. It's that it's the it's the you know it's the catch twenty two. I gotta tell you it's like big companies can afford to have the patients in the long term and don't and short term or or in smaller organizations just like you said they don't have the legacy to unwind but don't have the page out right. They don't have you know they're they they can't they can't afford to have the long term view. It's just as it's a. It's a fascinating challenge so true. I talked to somebody today. It's the same old thing in the redoing. The content thing i had a podcast up for six months and very dismayed. Like what am i doing wrong. And i'm mike. I don't know who told you that. Six months time when everything was going to work out. I said you know and then i yell my story i mean the hey you gotta go on rama noodles and baloney for next three years. If you cut your expenses down so you can make it so you have time to build the audience. Find your tilt do the work in. It'll happen six months. Come on what in your spaghetti and meat spaghetti and hot dogs by the way not rahman and baloney. Because that's just we were. Well i've not it's not rahman and bologna it's rahman or baloney. That's by the way. Friday getting hotdogs spaghetti and hotdogs. That's what that was my sorry. When i was spaghetti and hot dogs have nothing on fried baloney you take you put the baloney on. You're so rod roaming no no you're wrong on your loan or whatever on top of that let it melt all throw. Throw that out some. Oh i'm and i'm not saying that's not good but if you haven't had a good spaghetti and hot dogs with yeah it's it it can it if you're six years old. That sounds great. I mean that's what i would eat. Not that fried bologna mature back to age category baloney and rama noodles where you get the rahman brick and you throw that in the two cups of water. A couple of water says your best recipes folks hashtag this market absolutely all right moving on to our next story here which comes to us. Courtesy of a media operator and this one is interesting. The headline here is diving into buzzfeed's spac plans and if that headline wasn't confusing enough let me confuse you even more by reading you. The story here in a major win for ceo. Jonah peretti buzzfeed announced last week that thirteen and a half years after launching. It would be going public via a s- pack. This is according to the wall street journal. As part of the transaction the company also said it is acquiring complex networks. A digital publisher that specializes in street wear music and pop culture for three hundred million dollars in cash and stock from verizon communications and hearst corporation which together bought complex in two thousand. Sixteen buzzfeed is vying for greater scale to better compete for online ad dollars with tech giants such as google amazon and facebook. Buzzfeed said the combined company would be valued at some one point five billion dollars roughly the same level as in two thousand fifteen when comcast invested two hundred million in the new media. Startup buzzfeed also said thursday. It is raising one hundred fifty million dollars in convertible notes. Boy there's a lot of moving parts there. But basically as i understand it what they're doing is they have formed a new company that is itself a spec a special special respect for company special. It's where where basically an empty company with a lot of money will go out and make a purchase so this empty company what. I don't even know the name of it doesn't matter and then they go public and then they sort of a sort of a roll up of little companies to make one big company that basically that goes public and they they share all the costs of going public in so ultimately. You're it's a weird thing. It's almost like a very obscure. Etf where you're extensively investing in lots of little. not necessarily. you could just be one. I somebody i know. I know it's all it's a ship. It's it you're basically sidestepping the ipo process. That's that's exactly it somebody with a big you get some kind of management team with a lot of cash and they go out and they say okay we built the shell in the shell is going to be valued at ten billion dollars because that's how we valued it for whatever reason and then they go off and say that's the company that we're going to fill and then you fill in the financials from that company there you go yes exactly right. Nothing shady about that shady spot on. Yes that yeah. So so what do you think about it. I mean this. We've talked about buzzfeed for so long in this show. Congratulations for to joe. Because he's been wanting to do this forever and finally right back. That's right seems to be the model that the now he's able to do this. If you go into the the article from a media operator that you were talking about robert the the the numbers seem very unrealistic growth numbers but yet thank a little bit. Yeah so yeah and so Jacob who writes this article says is very well toward the end. The only way to hit these numbers is for buzzfeed to use this cash to purchase many many many brands so that buzzfeed becomes this huge holding company. Yeah exactly so and so basically that. They're going to have to buy the growth because organically they're never going to get there. But i will just say this. It's eerily similar. What i started at at pet media in two thousand. I mean the stock price was thirty two dollars or something at the time everybody was. It was the heyday view. Remember the ninety nine two thousand. Everyone was so excited. Stock market was going crazy. And i sat in a meeting. It was the b hag to one billion dollars and we were a three hundred million dollar company at the time or something like that. How do we get to one billion by whatever two thousand five and everyone's talking about you and that's exactly what buzzfeed is talking about. They want to get to this one billion number as quickly as possible with highly profitable in every time i see this. I get a little bit nervous because you're talking about scale it's it's how it's all. It's it's all these big brands fall into. How big can we get. How much can we do. How many social media platforms can we be on. It's like yep. What i lived this i so my story on the same side was in nine hundred ninety seven. I was hired by a little web development firm here in los angeles called w three design which was forty five people and at the time one of the larger web development agencies in los angeles by the time i moved because i was living on the east coast at the time by the time i moved back to la and got there. They had actually been acquired by a little company called us web which us web for those of you. Who are old enough to remember was a roll up. It was basically the nineteen ninety nine version of back. It was basically one company that was entirely made up of little agencies all across as holding company for all these little tiny agencies all across the world to get scale to call themselves a billion dollar consulting firm which then they started to say. Okay we need to expand so they started to build in other scale ability and acquire you know other parts of other consulting organizations other technology firms other software firms. They basically created this monster called march. I which ultimately became a giant roll up that went public and they took that company public and of course never did anything other than operate. Two thousand little companies across you know and of course that went about as well as you think it might and it completely imploded And it's just not a terribly successful model. It just doesn't work very well and the reason. It doesn't work very well because all these little things don't work can't get the economies of scale that you think you can you don't get the economy's yet look at it right. They're like oh yeah. We can save money here here here but when it comes down to it it never happens that way. It never really works out very well for these things and you can see it now. Happening with the holding companies in the ad agency world right. All of those companies are operating extensively independently at with each other and in some ways competing with each other in some cases. But they've all now started to either you know Become really the only good performance to any of those companies have is when they actually get some of the economies of scale in what you know financial systems. You know big big deals that they make But you know there's a movement away from that right now and and and you know and brands are recognizing that this you know. Aor relationship with these big holding companies isn't what it used to be and negotiating those deals. Is you know in any event this. This rarely works out well. But i but i do. Yeah i mean basically the peretti forget you now have will have. Once this goes through. They will have the funds to purchase a lot of things. So maybe oh for for. Yeah for all of you. Publishers out there for all of us. Small publishers at their get ready for a doorbell rang from jonah. Peretti saying i'd like to buy your little public edge if you're if you're like a ten to twenty million dollar organization and you're you're throwing off about thirty percent profit margin till they're going right after you. It's your way because the prophet. That's right they wanna make twenty five percent eba to promise that they they don't even they don't even need they don't even need the prophets. They just need the revenue to to fool the market that they're actually market cap where it should be the mar- the problem is is that in the investor presentation that they have they actually talk about. I think it's by twenty twenty four or something that they're they're projecting a twenty five percent profitability on that and they're like four percent now so they if they're going to do that they organically half to purchased profitable businesses. It can't do it by revenue right but they need to. In order to increase that average they need to be purchasing companies that are averaging sixty and seventy percent margin and those companies don't exist and if they do exist they're certainly not getting exists. Small really small ones exist so when you have one or two creators you can get you the. Let's say have you know. Just digital only businesses low overhead. They could buy about thousands of those suckers and that'd be it. I'd hate biodegrade but hey yeah yeah yeah. Good luck with all of that is basically the is the message there. In any event we should probably move on to our rant and rave section. Where joe and i go up a little bit of a rant or a little bit of a rave that makes us feel like we're living in vancouver or living in the subtropics somewhere where it's nice and cool. You want me to go first. Do you wanna go first I got a rant and rave. I'll i'll okay with my rave about that fantastic fantastic so i have a have a rant That i don't know if it's a rant more commentary i guess something that's not getting a lot of i guess media attention Certainly outside the outside baseball of our industry is that Did you know so. We've talked a lot about how google has talked about the the end of the third party cookie. You know you've heard me rant on it before right. You know the whole idea surveillance based marketing and all that kind of stuff. Well they announced just a looks about a week ago or so that they're going to delay that idea. They're going to delay blocking third party. Cookies the end of third party cookies until the end of twenty twenty. Three and the general tenor the general sort of what. You're seeing out there on social media much. I'm sure to google's joyous. Pr firm is a big sigh of relief. That says oh goodness gracious. We're not going to be ending the third party cookies anytime soon. And that's wonderful Certainly it's wonderful for those advertising companies that are using third party cookies to to do things that are not as perhaps you know as ethical as we would like the reason for this and the the article will link to which i think is a really good Overview of this comes from the verge because it's one of those things where why did they delay it right. It's not because of what they said. Which is you know. we're you know we're concerned about the market. And we're concerned about you know people's ability to adapt and blah blah blah. That's all google. pr nonsense. The reason is because of course. Google's between i in this very very difficult situation right now admittedly in a very difficult situation where as one. They're dealing with antitrust issues. Which basically says they control so much of the advertising market that anything they do that makes it look like including killing third party cookies which would make their walled gardens. Sort of the only place where you can go to do re targeted advertising is looks like monopolistic move but on the second on the flip side of that coin. Anything they do. That doesn't look like they're protecting privacy as apple's sort of takes the lead there like they're you know acting in very monopolistic ways as well and very unethical ways and of course that's a tough place for them to be. So what do you do in that situation. Well you try and invent technology that says hey. We're killing third party cookies. Because we're so concerned about privacy but we also have this cool new technology and they call it flock flock which fedor flock f. l. o. c. clock. Yes yeah yet get ready with the pines right. we're all. We're all flocked yet federated. Learning of cohorts did better. It's it's really. It's just ridiculous. Basically they came out with flock earlier this year and said this is going to be the replacement for all of this and Basically it landed with a thud apple. Fire fox all of the browser makers bent No that's not gonna work for us. All the privacy advocates went No that's not going to work for us. And so flock was flocked from almost the very beginning. And so i think and it would seem that. I've have some company here. That basically they joe. Google doesn't have an answer for this right now. They just don't have an answer and so instead of sort of committing to this and basically trying to figure out something else. They've said yeah. We need more time. They're basically playing rope-a-dope as they as they sort of back into the ring corner and say we got to figure this out because we don't have we. There's not a good answer for this right now. And i think a lot of this is going to take place in the courts where google is now faced in europe with an antitrust idea and so for all of you who sort of see the message is out there. Say it's a sigh of relief. We have time now. Might strong encouragement is to pretend that it's not get ahead of this while you can and start figuring out your first party data strategy and figure out how you're going to deal with this because it's only going to get more complex and harder from here out so use this delay not as a you know but use it as a pressure to say okay. We need to figure this out. That's that's my commentary or rant on that my little quick rave is basically from marketing. Have you seen the the budweiser july. Were not at. But i will. So we'll wives after as soon as the it's done it's it's really fun. It's just fun. We you know in a time that we could really use just some fun and so you're familiar with bill pullman. Presidential speech in independence day movie. Which of course is so famous. He basically recreates that. But does it with the. We're now coming out of lockdown i. It's just it's just great. It's just it's just great great nostalgia. It's great fan service. It's just it's just wonderful and kudos to budweiser for for doing it. It's just it's wonderful so we'll link to it in the show notes. Of course you can go watch it but yeah that's my that's my survey it's just it's just wonderful wonderful nice so my My rave is i. you might have heard. Maybe you were already listening to smart lists. Have you listened to the smart lewis. Podcast before i have not. No i heard about it from you. But i have not seen the backstory is my friends. Becky and mark turned me onto the smart list. Podcast stars jason. Bateman sean hayes. And will arnett so very very popular in their own right but they're all really close friends which i didn't know and you'll you'll understand that when you start listening to it and i've listened to about five or so podcasts. And so the premise is each week. Either jason sean or will bring on a surprise guest that the other two don't know about it's like today's guest is oprah and then they're like oh and they all the allies oprah questions or whatever works pretty really well and the this the side note robert. They read advertising sponsorship. Better than anyone. I've ever listened to. It's actually the the only time i will listen to the sponsorships. Because they're so interesting what they do with them so you get a chance. You can just listen for that. Oh definitely that. So the the long story short is i was running and i was listening to the episode with adam sandler and the four were talking about auditioning for acting roles. It's funny how you brought up casting director before. But they they were talking about how their career decisions have mostly been made for them because they're under because the casting directors have all this power and they were talking about different casting directors in hollywood. And how you know. You didn't get chosen for this one or you got chosen for this one. So jason bateman starts talking. And they're lamenting i mean. These are four of the most powerful people in hollywood and jason bateman is really gets into a little pity party and says none of this meaning acting is up to us so basically. We're saying we don't have any control over our careers and all their success. Attracting has only happened because of some casting director the chose him which bright and i had to stop actually stopped running and i wrote a little notation because i had to make this note about this. None of this is up to us as very successful one of the more successful actors out there jason. Bateman saying this. So what's funny is. The three of these gentlemen created the smart list. Podcast fifty plus episodes very very popular a lot of revenue generated generating from an earlier this week. What happens this little. Podcast started by these three actors. Sold exclusive rights podcast rights to smart louis of smart lists to amazon music and wondering for between sixty and eighty million dollars. So good on them. That's my race. Of course great exactly so. It's just so funny because it happened li- little about a day. After i listened to the lamenting about the fact that they have no control and then they went out and and created this. And this is the thing you know. We see these celebrity deals. And we see these. You know the joe rogan type deals. But what's amazing is is that the individual content entrepreneur can do this right now and it's happening right now and we're just not hearing about it and that's what i love about. You know the little industry that we're in that that young you have the options of financial stability and independence that we've just never had before it's a it's a it's a great. It's it's it's a great case study in a great template for us to look at you know and the funny thing is of course. It's the in the the irony of what you heard them talk about which is as actors. They have no control over their success. Because it's all based on a popularity contest and casting directors who put them into things and that's true. But i would argue for a while until you reach a certain level where you start dictating right. Were used in. And they're all at that that sort of character level where it is. they all still audition. They all still go out for things. And they're at that level. You know when you're at the tom cruise level. It's a whole. Yeah well even jason. Bateman was saying that he doesn't feel that way anymore now that he's doing more directing so he writes making these choices himself so he's turned the tables on that but he basically said twenty thirty years of his career. You know they're doing he's doing you know six auditions a week. And he's trying to get a gig and after he was talking about the failure of teen wolf to he just couldn't make a crack he. Nobody wanted him so it was interesting and the key there is. It's it goes back to. It's a it's a wonderful lesson that i actually learned from my friend. Mike weiss who was in the entertainment business for a long time and and one of the things he told me was in the early days. He said whenever you can he called it. He said. Use your juice. He said whatever juice you've got us it he said because that's the key and what he met by. That was whatever juice you end up building up right. Whatever little brand you get whatever platform you have whatever company you're working for whatever friends you know whatever networking you have. That's your juice and you have to use it. And so that's a great example of where jason bateman and those. Three guys are using their juice. They're using you know they. They didn't buy the podcast because the content those people and they and they didn't get the multiple based on. I'm sure they didn't get the multiple based on solely the audience and they and many ways. They got the multiple that they got. Because it's jason bateman and will arnett. Right i mean that's that's that's part of it. They use their juice in order to to bump that up. It's the same thing with you. Know when george clooney goes off and and makes casa migos tequila casa migos. Tequila is not great. Let's be quite frank. It's not great tequila. But because it came from george clooney and he built that narrative around at about how it got created and he built it for his friends and it was all this wonderful thing. And it's home grown and it's got that celebrity aura around it using his juice. That's why it sells for hundreds of millions of dollars as a brand so use your juice. That's a it's a. it's a great lesson. Whatever it takes right. Whatever takes it takes. Don't feel bad about leveraging connections or small -tunities that you feel that you shouldn't 'cause you wanna do it on your own or whatever you do everything anything everything that's exactly so there you go there you have it all right. What do you got anything anything week. It's a long long weekend actually. It's it's we're having some fun because Last year every year for the fourth of july we go out to blossom music center. And it's in south of cleveland and we listened to the orchestra and they play fireworks. And it's a big deal. We've been doing this for many many years. The we always take about sixteen seventeen people out there with us and we weren't able to go last year so of course this year. We're able to go. We sit on the grass. We all we have little picnics together. And then it gets dark. The orchestra comes out and cleveland orchestras fantastic. And then we you know they play the william tell overture and all sorts of other things. So it's it's it's great so i'm looking forward to that this this weekend. How nice very nice. We are headed to the beach to do We have yeah. We have a little place up in montecito which is just near santa barbara for those of you who don't know california and we'll be up there for the long weekend sort of enjoying the beach enjoying some time away from the screen all that kind of stuff so yeah wonderful wonderful stuff while enjoy. You deserve it now that you had the traumatic birthday week. Thank you yes off of by traumatic birthday week that is it folks were signing off and if you wanna get all the goodness by the way and there's a ton of goodness now we're getting to a level of goodness that is unprecedented in this podcast. Show notes or if you wanna just dive into any of the other two hundred seventy seven episodes. It's july people. I mean it's amazing. It's july twenty. Twenty one or two hundred and seventy seven episodes into this thing head on over to our website. 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"It's time for tweet this week in Google the old gang is back. Stacey Higginbotham Jeff Jarvis. We'll talk about well Facebook who. I don't think we mentioned Twitter and a new robot cafe in Japan. It's all coming up next on twig. Casts you from people you trust. This is tweet this week in Google episode. Four hundred eighty nine recorded Wednesday January second twenty nineteen. I'm an engineer darn it this week in Google is brought to you by calm. The number one apt to help you meditate sleep and relax start twenty nineteen off right with com. For a limited time. Get twenty five percent off a premium subscription. Adt com dot com slash twig, and by cachefly, give your users the seamless online experience. They want power your site or app with cachefly CDN and be thirty percent faster than the competition. Learn more at twit cash flight dot com. It's time for tweet this week in Google show way. Yes. Twenty nineteen brand new for twenty nineteen with all new hosts. I'm Leo LaPorte. Fire right now, buzzmachine dot com. No, it's just for people who haven't been watching for and Stacey Higginbotham from Stacey Anaya t dot com. No, actually, it's the old hosts brought back. It's so great to have you missed you all disappointed. Everybody know, everybody's happy whole new host how exciting and then it's just it's just the. But I do have new resolutions that could really change who I am as a person you really now my daughter is doing con Marie. I already do that. Yeah. Con mari. Does it sparked joy if not Cleveland bureau it out get rid of the something? Magic of tidying up the life-changing Bajic. I am. Why am I not surprised that you've done that? That's well. No. I haven't that's how I live my life. Oh, you didn't need Connery is just who you are. Love the container store you used to. But now, I don't have enough stuff to put my stuff in. Thought about containers. It's about getting rid of I've long. So my wife's going to bury me and rubbermaid. I do have in an I can't do it because I have a kid. So, you know, sometimes I'm like, hey, let's play my favorite game. She's like is a keeper throw out. There is there is a tie in. Because Marie condo has a new show on Netflix. It is have you seen it? No, have you know, I I'm not really excited about watching people. Yeah. It's perfect though for a new year resolution kind of right? It is. Yes. And I'm curious like are these people like super hoarders? I mean, she says the beginning of her book, which I have almost embarrassed say, I've read the life changing magic of tightening up. She says that she's never had any regressions. No one has reverted to their old untidy lifestyle. I don't believe her just can't believe that except maybe that she just doesn't take you. If you're going to be the type of person my backslide on her. Jeff's now going to show us how tidy his offices. Jeff, you only have one remote slacker. Yeah. That's more. Like my office. I can be a lot of credentials and stuff while he's a professor you have to have credential. Yeah. That's a and then this is supposedly Jeff we've lost your audio. Oh, really? Silence. It was a silent tour used to be talking. Yes. There were shut up. Oh, did you guys have a good? Did you have a good new year? Jeff to do anything fun. I fell asleep is really as I could. Yeah. I stayed up late watching a car wreck that CNN called New Year's Eve out with. Cohen cohen. And and yeah, I've actually blanked their names out now. Here. Anderson Cooper and Michael Cohen. Andy Cohen, I thankful. It was painful was. And what did you do for New Year's Eve Stacey I went to a friend's house? And we watch the ball drop at eleven o'clock our time and at midnight our time, and we played games. What the game we used to play in Ohio while we were drinking ginger ale and eating ham salad, which wasn't really him. So is made with baloney was pit, oh, you know, what I used to be a spit champion the card game where you like flip out the carts. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good game. It's a good gay New Year's game. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That would be good. If you're drinking no used to play at before school in middle school ginger ale. We were drinking when were you know, high? Oh, my first wife was from a small town in Ohio just over the border from Indiana called convoy. It didn't have a liquor store. It had one light. And I remember going to have New Year's Eve with her family. They're very they were Lutherans and ginger ale ham salad spit till midnight. Then you go out in the backyard, bang, the pots and pans, and you go to bed. Wow. Yeah. We did. So a friend of mine is a wedding planner. And she was there and she brought wedding sparklers, which you guys leg up on normal. Sparklers? I've got to tell you their metal. They earn for like two minutes. Kick sparklers. This is part of it was I grew up with but you can't get those anymore because they're not safe insane. Oh, I need wedding sparklers writing sparklers, very ready interest enjoyed them. Yeah. Those are the old magnesia how any caso? Yes. I did actually we hadn't heat is New Year's dinner. Yes. He does case it. Wow. That's an. I won't be having much. I know you're giving up. What's the plan? Are you moving June, six more months, and it's? We are selling and we will rent the first year, very Sam get to know the name. Yeah. In austin? We can only describe sparked by law. All right. I I'm stalling because I don't know if there's news. There is already got it. There is news. It looks like. Zac, Whitaker has the headline of the year Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg posted something this is not the article, but Mark Zuckerberg posted something. About how what what a tough year it was. And and how much we're going to work harder next year and all of that year end overview and Zach Whitaker had a great headline. He said zuckerberg's tone-deaf urine note reads like a thousand words of patting himself on the back and shows little contrition or empathy for the harm Facebook caused. Empathy is something difficult for sucker Burke. I truly do. Right. I think it's true. I think I think he's a true believer is I think part of the problem. Like he believes so much in the value that Facebook sanding, the world's heart firm to see any harm. Yes. That's where the empathy comes in. Right. Yeah. You're right. Yeah. Though, I also think that he's dated driven. And this goes back to his rigid comment on the Russian stuff and proportionate. And then if you look at the the different interpretations of the study that the Senate Ted, there's a very good story. I think in the nation full disclosure as I raised money for my school from Facebook. I'm independent of Facebook and received money person face the platforms disclosure, but the nation story. It was very good saying this Russian stuff was actually penny, ante minor nothing, and we're acting as if they took over the election, and the papers are trying to present it that way. But he's said the data just doesn't back it up and Zakho brick is data driven. And I think the problem because creek's going back to the data says nothing really happened. But he cannot say that because he does he gets smashed because people are saying no weeks, but you'd be contrite and he wants to say, but the data. But the data, but the data so you wrote a piece on medium. I kind of had to write something. 'cause so, you know, somebody attacked me because I wasn't attacking Facebook. So it was based on that New York Times story. But the thing was not the best opportunities. I said the beginning I wanna win vague Facebook. But this this is not the opportunity because the New York Times story about Facebook turned out to be a lotta hooey all at all not entirely, but when they complained that oh my God. Netflix is reading your messages. Yes. Because Netflix had read write and delete access. So you could do messages from net flicks. That's how the. The works. And so the times made a big deal made a big deal. And in this case, Alex, stay most, who of course, was ex- Samos was ex Facebook. But I think it's been on. Chief information security security said said, this is the way things are supposed to operate. We want them to open up. We want them to do this going hell James ball. Who's really tough British journalist said that this is the hill. He's going to die on but sharing the content of messages was was what makes messaging work. So it was bad reporting from the times and the problem, it's the standard media figure for me to before. But but I often I said. I think what media wants out of Facebook is blaring their ruined. Everybody's privacy. They ruin democracy. Facebook has problems. Those aren't the problems faced are actually are actually a little a little more subtle nuance. Invest more difficult. Facebook has cultural problems and portable said a minute ago. Leo was the was the optimism piece is what gets them in trouble is they didn't anticipate and they didn't deal with but relation dust. They didn't protect us from it. Their opacity is a problem there. Secrecy is a problem their belief that they can do some crappy things go after George Soros and private is a big honking problem. So I've got pro Facebook has problems let there be no doubt. But all I'm trying to say is I think media are trying to go after the wrong problems, the simplistic problems and the wrong way. Stacey I'm done. Don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna just tweak this a little bit and suggest that this may not be a load of hooey. And it may not be the New York Times is trying and you see it in several of its tech focus story. So imagine, you know, the editor there with this world view that they're trying to educate people about how they're sharing their data. And what that really means because the companies aren't doing it. So you saw that with their location sharing coverage. You saw that with Cambridge Analytica in. Honestly when I look at their coverage of Facebook about like the data sharing they had with Spotify net flicks. That's how I read this. I didn't read this so much as Facebook super evil. I read it more as hey, you've been giving these permissions to Facebook and to these other. Smart and use knew how to read it the way, I think most. They would read it in the way that all the tweets came out in the coverage came out, a TV coverage came out is oh my God. Facebook's leading Netflix read your messages. Yes in and I I think. I'm not saying that I'm not saying the coverage was a little. Let me read the headline in the sensationalistic. I just I just think that that's that's what we should expect from the New York Times because they're really trying to hammer this home and before the goes on. I really think it's good that they're trying to educate people about this just a certain irony in the article because they say the New York Times is one of the gates. Recipients of this of this largesse, the headline which admittedly was probably not written by the authors. As Facebook raised a privacy wall at carved an opening for tech. Giant's the sub head internal documents show, the social network gave Microsoft Amazon Spotify and others far greater access to people's data than it has disclosed. That's that's a that's who we that's what I call who we journalistic term of journalism school. I mean, I think the point we actually made this point on the new screensavers a couple of weeks ago is that never case these permissions were granted because these programs needed those permissions to do what you wanted him to do Spotify need access to your direct messages. So it could Senate direct message with what you're listening to on Spotify. That's part of that was the feature people were turning on. And allow you to leave that message from Spotify. If you wish. Yeah. There is a larger question, which is Facebook neglected a turn off those API until this article appeared, so they didn't take it as seriously as maybe they should have even though they they they turned those features. They say they turned those features off for those those companies look to seven twenty seven twenty twenty twenty seventeen. But the fact the API continued till the New York Times article came out, right? So Facebook's problem in this case was not they're sharing your data. Don't talk Facebook problems there were being sloppy. And was carried enough they're soppy. But I think that that's the lesson. Stacey if there's a lesson that the New York Times is trying to teach that is an important lesson. Is that Facebook is sloppy with your data? Oh, yes. And that is to that is most of these companies are sloppy with your data. Yes. Yeah. They don't store it in any reasonable manner. They don't encrypt it. They stick it on public databases. Was that going to change? Zack is going to be the that governments at force this and companies in the face of potential government regulation, the US start paying better attention to this. Yes. Companies are already starting to pay better attention to it. They're getting genuine costs associated with it. So yes, we're gonna see that Amer I think it's guaranteed that we're gonna get some sort of privacy law. I hate saying that because I feel like our political situation is so unhinged at the moment. But I do actually think it's going to happen. Will this will cause this will cause some source in the trio here? But so I had a reaction that probably won't share the New York Times story about Facebook and suicide, and there's been a few stories about that last week that that Facebook, we've talked this show before has the ability, and it's an talked about this very openly that they have the ability to track. Warnings of suicide and some cases specific intentions, and they tried to call authorities as soon as they can on this. And this is not always perfect can be too late and that can be wrong, but they're trying and they see this as a positive way, guess what this works in the US works a lot of countries where it doesn't work your GDP are and. Winter. I said this on Twitter, and we will somebody went after me the same person went after to about Facebook and leaving off by the way, Jeff a fairly huge part of this. Which is that when Facebook gets it wrong it could cause unintentional harm like precipitating suicide or compelling non suicide people to undergo psychiatric evaluations or prompting arrests shooting. This one hundred perfect shouldn't be doing this. I know you're never gonna be one hundred perfect of anything, Leo. But, but, but if if if one person is saved their life is saved that I think I think the point we should take away from this so Sheedy PR. Yes. I think if we imagined Facebook as someone who actually cares about people and preventing suicide then making a mistake feels warranted. If we if we look at this as Facebook trying to burnish. Its reputation and using data in only data without really, caring. What happens which has historically been how it approaches these things that isn't okay? And I think motivations in this case matter because we are people and. I'll Vickers stop suicide. Anything that cynical because if you are trying to stop sin if you because if you fail the repercussions are big. So I think it's important like if I think someone is suicidal is a person who cares about them in I step in. And I'm wrong, the person at least understands my motivation, and the consequences are usually far less because I go in trying to mitigate the fact that I might be wrong. If you go in saying, my data is infallible in I am going to stop this thing from happening. You're not coming from a place of caring. So people are less likely to forgive you. Right. So that's available and turn it around. Stacey. What if what if the New York Times story Facebook has data that could indicate suicides? But they choose to do nothing because of the fear of PR backlash. They people would would attack them, right? They're there. Bit of a no. Windier at some point. I think you've gotta balance. Yeah. They're all all the time. That's screwed up. But we don't know because phase says a transfer privacy reasons, it doesn't track the outcomes of its calls to the police. It also has not disclosed how reviewers decide whether to call Marchesi responders. So there's no review there should be at least. Peer review, although. Even better is Facebook said, hey, you know, what we have this data. Let's use this to have a public conversation about preventing suicide in what we as a society in the US, for example. And in other countries, they have the power to start those conversations. Because in a lot of cases calling the police is not the right way to deal with the suicide rate. So instead of coming in and being like the data says this we're gonna try to take action. Let's have a conversation. I think Silicon Valley is terrible having conversations with people in organizations because they think they know because they have data in is hard to have a hard meaty policy conversation about this. But imagine the headline of his Facebook says, they're smart. Hey, we have this data, and we wanna have a conversation we've found that. When we call police or we have seen the data around. Police calls to suicide in. They proportionately end up harming people. Let's have a conversation about what we should do instead, and they start to spearhead that and put their weight by that. That's really interesting. We don't Stacy we push a little bit Spacey. Some of these cases the New York Times story wasn't about data. It was about somebody civically saying I'm going home right now to commit some was gonna kill myself. What are they doing? They do police. Well checks. They do. I mean, that's what they do today. That's what they're doing. But what they're doing. Right. But with the scale, they have they can send them to places. It's one thing to police. Well, check on Davidson, it's another descend somebody for like some person who is in a predominantly black area of town that is high since of gang violence, those are going to get treated very differently. And I think it's important to recognize that. Agree with you the conversation re- that we need to set that they should want standard set from outside. But I when I when I'm trying to say is that we went after me for saying forget, it GP are no never ever use the state, and I think that is cynical. And I think that is murderous in some cases, and we have something here that this is really been a case, not just Facebook, but other platforms around veterans, and it's a huge problem. And if we could together find ways to help people. We should try. Okay. Let's do a hypothetical. Lot of TV's. These days have cameras on them, and a is getting much better at we know this reading micro expressions of humans may sometime sense. But don't can't read accurately. Let's assume I got really effective at interpreting these micro expressions, your TV could watch you and accurately predict when you were suicidal. I'm going to say, no. And here's why because there is a key difference in Facebook. You are publishing you are to the world something to at least your friends, your choosing to say something in the case of your TV. You are not choosing. And. Save lives. Jeff. If we allowed at all, but we don't allow that at all. It's different here because well, we may we may we may be allowing it for advertising purposes, as opposed to suicide purposes. So let's say that might be happening. I think there's evidence it is happening. But they're not analyzing it first suicidal intent or depression. They're analyzing it for whether you want to buy that product. I don't think it's happening. You don't think? So. Well there. They're not using the cameras. No, they're not using that yet though. Oh, they've audio for sure they're they're using audio not from your home. Video was using that. But the FCC no FTC was like a stop. That's there will that'll happen. Eventually. Oh, yeah. I mean, I I've seen proposals as far back as two thousand nine. Says Samsung TV says, sir, you've been watching thirty straight hours of the dukes of hazzard. I'm calling nine one one. But that's the point is the ability to do. So the argument you just made Jeff was is. Well, it's going to save a life. Then the the ends justify the means. I think in some cases, Leo people are signaling on purpose right often. But it'll save lives. It'll save some lives. Jeff. But it can also cause a lot of harm for other lives. We don't balance, but we shouldn't. We shouldn't what I'm saying. Is what was said to me was no never not. And I'm saying that's wrong. Well with you. Let's have a conversation about it. But to say, no, never not Facebook list lay off don't do this. You may know, but we don't want you to us because we find a creepy losing. Doesn't have to do that. If I post on Facebook other people are going to see unless someone has new friends on. At maybe maybe. Maybe Facebook solution than isn't to call the police, maybe it's to be its algorithm to say, hey, if someone post this you'd like send a frigging notification to the people who click on their stuff, the most I don't know we should point out there. The k- the examples that the New York Times uses were in all cases, people streaming their suicide attempt. Yeah. On Facebook live, which it seems like a call for help or something. I mean, it's yeah. That's not exactly seeking privacy. I think I think I willing to go out on a limb and say if Facebook detect somebody's streaming suicide attempt they should immediately. Call first responders. That's that does not seem to be unreasonable. The deeper question is whether they're doing a sentiment analysis, and that kind of thing and figuring out of somebody's talked about this, and they have different interventions. The intervention is not just to call a place. And I I don't wanna quarters. I can't remember what it was. I it's online somewhere that the videos there. The doodo more than that. But but at this story, there was a reaction around. You're right Leo that somebody's streaming their suicide attempt. I have a responsibility, they probably a legal responsibility to to call nine one streaming their suicide, then guess you do have to do that. We're live in this story. A couple of lives are saved in one case it was too late which is very sad. They also quote, the director of the national suicide prevention lifeline commending Facebook for this. So Danah Boyd. But it's talking about two things. It's talking about people streaming it. But it's also data. Yeah. But they talk. Yeah. Wants is the next and so they talk they Scotian needed. There's data that needs to be shared. There's research that needs to be done. Yeah. The talk to the director of and I even know this existed the digital psychiatry division. Whatever that is at Beth Israel Deaconess medical center in Boston. He says it's hard to know what Facebook's actually picking up on. This is this is right after their. Illustration from Facebook of how texting comment classifies work and how their flagging based on texts signals. It's hard to know what Facebook is actually picking up on what they're actually acting on. And are they giving the appropriate response to the procreate risks? And that's because Facebook themselves aren't saying. So he calls it Dr John toros calls it blackbox medicine. Facebook says it worked with suicide prevention experts to do it. So I don't know. I think those kind of things have to be a lot more open. It's a really interesting question which brought up the hypotheticals because increasingly we're going to be in a world where these kinds of signals are seen and can be interpreted. And then what do you do, and we're increasingly going to be in a world where that can be terp, it'd outside the home. So there was just a story today about like, maybe it was earlier it was on courts on the language people who are depressed us, for example. And you think about things like all the apps coming out. Kevin I talked about the center show with CAS called algorithm healthcare. There's a lot of data coming out on. Hey, I can predict if you're gonna get Parkinson's. I can pretty if you're in the early stages of diabetes. So when you start the challenge we have. And this is what J P R is trying to address is is stopping that train before it leaves the station in subways because once you can get that. Just from listening. Sorry. UPS guys here. I could tell from your dog sentiment analysis on your dog tells us you're getting a delivery right now. So Jeff what about this? Okay. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to put words in your mouth. Jeff, let's see if they fit. Let's. It's possible to move too quickly to stymie this. It would be a better thing to do to watch. Learn discuss consider the policy implications for sure, but I think you're worried, and I I'm not sure I think I would agree with you that you could also move too quickly because you could move to both. Yes. Chidi PR lets you if you opt into it. They let you use this data. Just nobody's everyone else's like, oh, it's too expensive. We don't want to mess with that. Let's just say, no. So if they if you say to someone, hey, I really want to study this. I imagine a lot of people with self opt into this. And you just have to design something with that in mind what's happening now. And this is what I think a lot of people who just are like JD. Now, we can't do anything laws are in the way. We can't do anything. I think that's a. Without difficulty. Yeah. I I also think that. There is also perhaps a rush to shut this stuff down. Maybe. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. That's the techno panic you'd always rebounds. That's what I'm talking. So I think we all agree. These discussions have to be we have to have them, and we have to as a society decide what our limits are on all this. I had another. This is a little this cartoonish in its extreme. But, but I had case today where where there was a story business insider that sucker Chan foundation is one of the things that's funding is putting sensors directly in the brain. So some smart ass. Of course comes on and says, oh, we would well say that somebody with epilepsy Parkinson's, right? They're doing it for a reason. But this kind of chatter has damage it's a level, and we're making these presumptions, and yeah, we're not gonna get into whole techno panic today beginning of news. But but but I just this is I worry about this. Here's what I would say. And I think the reason there's people are concerned there are companies doing this out of a sincere desire to make life better. But that but Facebook Google and a few others are doing it out of desire to make advertising more effective. That's their business models. Three, oh, you said a few minutes ago that you think that Mark Zuckerberg is a believer. And I think he is I think to a fault. Well, I'm not sure what he believes in. It might be that he believes in getting people together. Just for the good of it. It might be that he believes the it's it's a good business because when people share not only do they connect. They also give us information. We can use advertise, and I really honestly believe that if if the what we don't want is companies for what since we can't know their real intent, we can only know what they do. And what I don't think companies that are that are advertising supported should be in this business. That should read the national institutes of health should be in this business that that agencies that companies that aren't trying to use this information for advertising purposes, should not be in this business. I just don't. Media should not be doing health stuff. 'cause absolutely. I should not be in the business of implanting something in your brain to find out what you're thinking. That would be the wrong thing for anybody. Take it away fees. It's been in there for eight years. But I mean, that's honestly, that's that is wrong because we can't we can't know people's intent sometimes people don't even know their own intent, but we can know what business companies in if a company's in advertise is an advertising business, pure and simple. They shouldn't be doing this. And I include Google in this. Right. No because because again, I'll go back I'll go to my business. There was a big scandal. In Germany, the last two weeks a guy for Spiegel made up to fly made up stories, and there was this. And I wrote a piece of it to blame. You don't wanna go into an it's boring German, gentleness and stuff. But, but it's the seduction of the narrative, it's the seduction of our business model hold people's attention. And and we do this business where we we mess wrong people's lives individually, and holy so, you know, it's not just platforms SaaS two they have better tools. What do you think Stacy's that I've just made up Leo's rule is that a good rule? And I'm sorry. The rule was if you're every ties in business that you. Amid analysis business because that impugns your motives, well, you can be in the sentiment analysis business to to sell stuff to you. Well, that's what I'm assuming they're doing. Oh, okay. But you so what I'm saying is it's not you can't it's hard to say. Oh, that's yeah. That's a wonderful thing. They're doing. I I'm interviewing woman in week and a half Shoshana zoo off. I love it. The age of surveillance capitalism. Jeff, it's a thick book six hundred pages. Very well. Supported with footnotes. She's a first female tenured professor at the Harvard Business School. She's very insightful. Thinker the Harvard Business School never had a tenured female professor before that she was tenured in nineteen Eighty-one. Even so good. Okay. One of its first ten. You wanna know why businesses screwed up that? That tells you something right there part. Okay. I think they can do it. I think they would be best like their benefits to having a giant platform gathered data one is you can get a larger sample population, which is really interesting for public health. I think if you were if you are sharing that data with people as opposed to grabbing it and doing some sort of weird algorithm of your own design without any transparency is when it becomes a problem. So maybe I want my cake, or I wanna have my cake and eat it too. I don't anyway, maybe I want things both ways. But I do think that the ability to get lots of data into access data from lots of people, even if it's opt in if Google tells you to do something because they think it'll help humanity. I think that could be under the right framework. Okay. So. I would have a little addendum to your law. Leo. Yeah. I mean, it was only a couple said that Google is going to eventually become the AI king. I mean, it takes a lot of money to do it and is probably better Google at than the Chinese government. Do it. I just I don't. There's no simple rules while we're going to stop them from doing this. Then everything will be okay. We're negotiating norms were negotiating, rules and standards. Stacy's? Right. We've got to do it more in public and the piece that I wrote I said that that the transparency is not just about mid-year foibles, which was what Facebook politicians think it is. It's also about there should be from the very top of Facebook. There should've you that everything we do here should shine brightly and transparency should be proud of what we do here. And if you're not then don't do it. That's more to the core. What's wrong with Facebook? And what they need to fix their culture, that's transparency that matters in a different way. That says we're making judgments about what we do every damn day, and we need structures to make good judgments about that. And do them in public, by the way, the New York Times headline is judicious to say the least in screening for suicide risk Facebook takes on tricky public health role. It is indeed. I don't think that that's an and in fact decides to say, it's exactly right. It's what we're talking about. That's true. It is tricky. All right. Should we talk about Google? Yeah. Well, this is Google who really. I mean, it's all it's all a piece of the same day. Trying to make us happier here. No, I'm just like at a certain point in time. We go around to the same kind of we always not. But I predict this is gonna be the year that we will spend a lot of time talking about. Improved capabilities for exactly this kind of thing. And so I hope we have that debate is important, right? We we re on that. Yeah. Yeah. No. I totally agree. That debate is important. I just think that we're kind of like we need to talk about it. Let's well, how about this wielding rocks and knives era zonings attacks self-driving cars. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Just fun. This is these are the Waymo vehicles going around in Arizona. And apparently there have been two dozen attacks on way MOS over the last two years. That's not a huge number. That's one led lights did. So I mean, yeah. Yeah. We've talked about people really hate these self driving cars. Sometimes I don't know why people in pelted them with those robots. Think it's security robots. Yeah. In one of the more hiring episodes of man waved a twenty two caliber revolver at away my vehicle. By the way, he was mentally ill. He told police he despises driverless cars, partly because of the killing of the female pedestrian Tempe. His wife admitted he finds it entertaining to break hard in front of self driving vans. And that she herself may have forced them to pull over. So she could yell at them to get out of their neighborhood. She was the the self driving car. Yeah. They found each other trouble started the couples that when their ten year old son was nearly hit by one of the vehicles. When he was playing nearby called a sack he says, I don't want to be there. I guess he isn't mentally ill. This was another one. He has a different one. He says I don't want to be there real world example, or they're real word mistake. That's a reasonable gets into something. We don't think about a lot. But as we stick technology and cities, as we, you know, like smart city efforts as we start taking over more of the world with technology. We do actually RA. Risk not having these conversations as a democratic process. They're saying we're we're on on y on willingly the bay that subjects for this. I guess that's a real point of view. Right. That's reasonable. And it's not like, and that's the other thing. Like, lawmakers did decide this. So could they vote those lawmakers out? Yes. Could a politician running on anti tech platform? Probably. But that's not a great nuanced way to think about this. And I think that's where technology companies really need to like wake up and realize that they can't just fall back on data. They have to start dealing with people in all of our horrifyingly messy glory. I didn't realize that Douglas rest cough. Who works CUNY wrote a book called throwing rocks at the Google bus. Yeah. He says in this article driverless cars are like robot incarnations of scabs. Their love him. He's one of my favorite people on earth. But he's he's pure Marxist. So it's Mark. Yeah. Right. So it's it says that there's a there is a an intervention here in Java Konomi, and that's what causes the that's that's why the lights revolted, right? Yeah. They were losing their jobs to Jakarta looms. Yep. And and these will I mean, driverless cars are the future. And I also think tech companies need to talk more about what roles they will have a mean. I just unfortunately, it's not out yet. But I filed a story for Tripoli about the role of people in autonomous vehicles, and they will have them. They will be remote controlled for quite some time in the future. So. Will it be a one to one? No. But so yeah, this this is frustrating because I feel like a little bit more transparency real conversation between parties would actually go a long way. And we're not internet. We are. We aren't even building the tools to to do that. So I don't know how to solve this. I'm gonna go live under a rough. I think we need technology that motivates people to loon. In Ray kurzweil and his book the age of this pitcher machines. This is great Wikipedia article, by the way, which I found on pin board talked about twenty nineteen and some of the things he expected them. He wrote this twenty years ago almost some of the things he expected he said. About self driving vehicles. Could find it computers. Do most of the vehicle driving by twenty nineteen humans are in fact prohibited from driving on highways on insisted Furthermore, when humans do take over the wheel the onboard computer system, constantly monitors their actions to take control whenever the human drives recklessly as a result. There are very few transportation accidents. I actually kind of wish that we're the game. Oh, the people are going to hate that. I mean, people hate it. Now, anytime we have something that interferes with our atonomy, we're like, screw you. If I wanna get drunk behind the wheel of the car as my Ryan is. I was just talking to to guy I know here neighbor here and and his kids were younger than ours. They don't wanna drive they don't want the driver's license. They don't do. It hate it. I think it it. There's gonna hit a generational point. We're fine. I can I can play my video game while I'm getting they're fine. He also predicted that devices that liver sensations the skin surface of their users. Will make virtual sex possible. So Arthur, those things no, well, those kind of exams, do I guess. Yeah. Hey predictions. A it's hard. It's hard job title, the the most most hubristic job title on earth. This sign of messiah is future wrist. Yeah. Really not thought leader. Well, actually, that's the future says they're leading our thoughts. All right. I have some happy stories good. Yes. Some positive. I'm sure somewhere. Some good started moons. Google maps as say. What you them? Rundown. Bloke moons. Google maps at cheeky Ladd. Okay. That was what I was thinking. But all it is you're right under the Waymo story. So I guess we should probably get get to that delighted he's not maps street view car. Yeah. And he's delighted because apparently his bum is immortalized online. This is from the mirror. So it looks like they pixelated the brand of the bicycle riding by but they left his butt. Because the the expect to but that's why. L rhythm did not know to look for butts. 'cause thought that people were going to be nicer than that. Never. Now, some poor schmo has to write a, but detecting algorithm. And then. From the Wall Street Journal, the livery drones delivery. Drones cheer shoppers annoy neighbors scare dogs in one of the world's most advanced run delivery tests, sunscreen arrives in minutes. So do complaints. This is in Australia Canberra. She thought this. Yes, I was amazed by the story in the rundown had not seen this further extension that now there's speculation that the airport closing in the UK that they're no they're never worst area. And Hello the pork couple. That was busted. They let him go. They said no they had nothing to do with it. Yeah. That was that's horrible. We talked about it. Because I trust the news. My mistake. I mean, if you're not trusting you're trusting. I mean, the police officers on the RV were saying. I mean, they said news was that. It was shut down because of this. Six hours get what was shut down for a day and a half. But there were no drones. That's a lot definitive. I guess by this looking there were no drones. That's just weird. That is. Everybody just calm. It'll feel okay. I think that that's a metaphor. That story is really bad for war to once. We get on the other side. It'll be okay. They'll be time. To mention cars sponsor. You're going with this. It'll be okay. It's gonna be a. I'm sorry. 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No. It's actually about 'Seven which we've been talking about for years on security now, it's the it's the software signaling system seven that runs in all cell phones. It's part of the radio there have been weaknesses. We've known about for years in seven. Nobody's doing anything about it. And it never have. And he talks about twenty seventeen criminals took advantage, for instance. For instance, just one of many examples of. S seven weaknesses to carry out financial fraud by redirecting and intercepting. Text messages containing one time passwords for Bank customers in Germany. It's part. You know, you've heard about all those stingrays. Basically it lets you spoof a cell tower. You want a cell tower in people feel that cell network's are very secure not. You're like, hey, I'm on a cell network. But like I was talking to somebody in the security world. And they were like, yeah, we had a CEO of a fortune five hundred company who cell phone was talking to a a fake cell tower. Basically that they had set up that some hackers set up. So it's a stick. Yes. And they're all over Washington DC, by the way. Yeah. It's a big deal S seven which was written in nineteen seventy five. That's all that. I am older than Stacy's. Shush. Stacey shush. I'm just saying. That's good perspective. I'm pretty this is actually I have lots of irises. I think it's bad to say this headline is bad because it's not quite really the issue. Is there a security nightmare? And this is true. Well, I think I mean, I used to run up into this a lot when I was reading about technical topics like this. This is hard to like headline make people care about it really is because you have to explain so much. So the headline on stuff like this is just you know, it was on sixty minutes two years ago. They showed it being hacked. They showed a Senator who volunteered for this? They showed how easy was to hack his phone and nothing was nothing. Senator United States nothing has happened. So anyway, I I mentioned it again, not that anything will happen. But I mentioned that again. So I'm excited because the the story this is an interesting one from is DR magazine. They have been doing great stuff lately. That's good because they're charging money for it. Now. Oh, oh, I got a pay for. Court says pay well now, they have a paywall everybody. Oh, we God's children. But see they and they are individually. The problem is I don't want. Yeah. Bloomberg. I've still haven't paid for Bloomberg. Because I just so you talking about which story on the internet is steak earns out a lot of it. Actually, this is about click fraud, basically. Yes. And it kind of it's in with this idea that basically bought have taken over the web. And it's it's we're getting to this like worldview where there there are no people, and it's just Botts fighting butts your time here is a fascinating statistic from this article for a period of time in twenty thirteen the times reported this year five years ago half of YouTube traffic was bought s- masquerading people portion so high that employees feared an inflection point after which YouTube systems for detecting, fraudulent, traffic would begin to regard Botts traffic as real and human traffic is fake. They called this. The consensus on the block chain. The call this hypothetical event the inversion now that was five years ago. Do you think there are fewer butts on YouTube now? Did they so? Think so. So, and that's always puzzled me because YouTube. The the view number viewership numbers on YouTube are stunning. And they're so fast. And it just never made sense to me. And it doesn't make sense to advertisers, by the way, because it's really cheap to buy too bad. Impressions. I have I have a friend who does who who pays people choose his YouTube. Stuff's youtube. The company says quote, only a tiny fraction of its traffic is fake. But you can buy five thousand YouTube views for as low as fifteen dollars. But we the reason part of the reason this is people reward that people are like, yeah. I can't even take seriously unless you have this many YouTube. That's right. Do you think for while? There was the story was if you wanna get a better deal as a Hollywood actor if you wanna get more money per movie, you have more Twitter followers. Is that still the case of people finally twigs to the notion that really good question? I'll bet I'll bet I don't know. But I'll bet not because he can buy them at all easy to buy them. But that's never bought my Twitter followers robot. I have no Twitter. I used to have six hundred thousand although I noticed every since deactivated my account that numbers dwindled. I know it had been my experience that the less. I tweeted the more followers. I got as long as you say nothing, it's the Vanna white effect. People think you're on their side the minute you say something people go on following that guy. Tell you what. Sorry. Happen to be actually this is your story. Hey, does that to me all the time? He makes me our right? Right doesn't he doesn't make you buy Lincoln or bourbon because that's he's everywhere on my Hulu right now. I'm like Lord. This. These are two stories that I'm gonna linked together with with little or no evidence to do. So and I'm going to suggest that they point to a larger problem just around the corner nine one one emergency services. Go down across the US after CenturyLink outage Thursday at noon eastern. Centurylink down which is what again CenturyLink is a one of the largest Telecommute. You've never heard of them one of the largest telecommunication providers in the US, they do internet and backbone services to AT and T and Verizon you thought maybe eighteen Verizon did their own. No. So do their own. They also they all. From centurylink. All right. And then he case by level three. I think just excite. Yeah. So essentially linked didn't say what caused the outage beyond this. It was an issue with a quote network element. But took them an hour. So meanwhile, nine one one services went down in many areas of Seattle. Stacey Salt Lake City, Idaho, Oregon, Arizona, and Missouri. Police in mass Boston Massachusetts tweeted. Century league outage affecting wireless capability, Massachusetts. Then it came back. A couple of hours later FCC says we're investigating. We know what that we know what that means. But then okay, I'm gonna tie it to this amount. Where attack brought down delivery of the LA times into Tribune papers across the United States, including the New York Times on the west coast. Is a server outage identified as a Mauer attack, which appears to have originated from outside the United States, hobbled computer systems and delayed week into liveries of the Los Angeles Times. So couple things. We. I think we need to have for Harvard Business School folks rate, we need to have understand the economic importance of resiliency. And what we talk about today is that is not a priority in supply chains all kinds of things because we've only been thinking about the dollar costs of things. Right. And that's where I think as we get more technical. We are more reliant on technology. Sorry, more reliant on technology. We need to talk about resiliency and start creating case studies that understand the impact of losing that. Because these things happen a lot and. There are companies that designed for this. And I think it's really important that they do. And actually, it's the topic. It's the I was really excited to see that. So this is just me thinking, you know, I'm like, oh my gosh. Here's why connect these. They both happened on Thursday. Now, I don't want to say there's a boogeyman onto the bed or in the closet. But I honestly think that nation states are trying out these weapons just to see what they can do. And I I think this is a taste of foretaste. Yes. There's there's definitely a an economic and civic reason Stacey that they should be redundant. But I think there's an even larger reason I think that this. This is the next battle battlefield. To say. Times in San Diego. Paper became aware of the problem near midnight on Thursday programmers worked to isolate the bug which Tribune publishing identified as a mile where tech, but at every turn the programmers ran into additional issues after denting the server outages virus technology, teams made progress Friday quieting it and bringing back servers, but some of their patches didn't hold I don't even know what that means. It's not like a ship. Some of their security patches didn't hold and the virus began to reinfect the network. So let me talk about my friends in the newspaper business head so happens. I was at the Chicago Tribune. Trunk. That's the company when they got their second CMS back in the seventies. And that's how old I am. Stacey I was doing see a message before you were born, and they didn't build in any redundancy or enough memory because they wanted more features. We're dumb about this stuff. We're really dumb about the stuff. Yeah. It's bad industry. Just pad that it's it's it was like a Chinese or Russian hacking. I don't either and disgruntled stockholder, yes, I don't know. But Pam Dixon, executive director of world privacy for a nonprofit public interest research group said, quote, usually when someone tries to disrupt a significant digital resource like a newspaper, you're looking at an experienced and sophisticated hacker holidays are well-known time for mischief because organizations are more thinly staffed. This is from the LA times, which was in fact held up on Sunday because the attack on Thursday. I don't you know, maybe they're not related. That's just when I see two major attacks like that on the same day of infrastructure. That's fairly important. It seems I feel like I don't aren't Bill is reading. All right. I do have good news. And we're gonna get to all the good news, the happy stuff and just a second. But first I want to tell you about cachefly because that's a happy thing. That makes me happy. 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It's interesting if you want so the idea is instead of storing your mail on some somebody else's server, you started a server at home. There are all sorts of problems with doing that. For instance, your IP address almost all residential IP addresses are blocked, not only by your ISP who doesn't want you sending spam. But most recipients won't accept it. Because they say, you know, chances are that's a spam. Reflector that's not going to be really mail. So they solve that by you route your mail from your server to their server through VPN. They use Amazon web services, and they use a I p blocks that are clear they also turn on all of the reverse DNS. All the other d Kim. I can't remember all the different forms for Email -cation d Mark that that mean that recipients are likely not assume that your spam. And in fact, I've had no problem sending mail out through it. I decided what to do to get a fresh domain for it, which I'm not gonna tell anybody. But I will tell you guys off the air because it's a way that it's like it'll be now my our personal family server, if you wanna get through to me because my has leoville dot com completely swamped I tried it firstly of elect, and it was just like a mess. So but this worked pretty well. So anyway, I know you mentioned this before Stacey having used it. Now, I think I could recommend. It's not, you know, one thing, and they don't mention this. I think they need to you have to have a smartphone. Use it. Because, but this is brilliant, but they should really tell people ahead of time each user has to have a smartphone. The reason this is your security token because you can't configure it unless you're in proximity. He's bluetooth L. So you have to be near it. And then you get a credentials for it. But you have to do it through an app on the smartphone, so plano. Well. It's it's a it's more secure. But it is it's like for a business. If you set this up for business every employee has to go stand next to the server. Is account. So that's a little weird. Right. But I think for a home server be fine. Well, not certain. Still doesn't have a phone. Right. So I guess if you had a spare phone you could set it up for but each actually gets to. Oh, well, each phone is it's like a token. This becomes your security token, basically. So this isn't related to the news, but it's totally related to Google. And I'm gonna throw this out here because I. In the middle of December. We switched from being in a Madam as so an Amazon. Alexa, household to being a household. Just said the name, I know sorry echo. And then she says the word, I know. I'm very tired. I'm sorry. I'm just teasing. So we started this in I'm going to do a post after about a month in, but we're encountering all kinds of issues. And the biggest issue we have is. I had turned on personalization in I've complained before because Google doesn't always recognize my voice. So that's one part. But my husband trade, his voice, I quote, unquote, trained mind better. So it it gets me about fifty percent of the time. But I don't know what to do with my daughter, and it is a pain in the butt to set up. The personalization in she has to have an app to do the voice training on her phone. And so very curious if. Or anything like a she has an so she has an iphone that she uses, and she has she has a g mail address that's personal to her. And then she has her Google stuff for school, which is not linked out any of the Google ecosystem. So but. But yeah, it's it's really tough. We're getting into a world where you have to have one of these now. No, I agree. It's probably. Or if you if you just have that then that's fine. But like, then I shouldn't have to do like an Email account like with Amazon I have to do an Email account. So well, that's one of the things I'm gonna use the helm for is. I'm creating an Email for your house. Well, yes, basically, so I wanna say the domain, but I have a domain name. Let's say it's my Email dot com, and then you can have anything that goes to my Email dot com. So I'm creating weird account names for everything. That are non guess -able that gives me some security, but also that I could trace so I know so that's what I would do with the eco. For instance, I would set it up with one of these special names that only it has. You see I'm saying. So this is why you find out who's through in your over your you see who's who's selling it to. Plus, it kind of keeps it isolated from your main Email, right? You just filter it all because anything that comes to Amazon echo at my Email dot com that came from standing up for an echo account, and so I can filter that out. I think there's an advantage to that. You can do that with g mail if you want to using pluses, although I think people are wise to that now. Right. They don't let you do the plus as much as they used to. Oh, so scooter accent me a thing all about this. And I realized that the app by she wants to use for families. And that's why I'm encountering challenges. So she can't you're not out school account. Yes. She can't turn on a television right now. She's thirteen. Well, that's as it should be. No, she's I mean, that's not a bug. That's a feature. That's a flaw. Well, it also things like a babysitter right now. Like, maybe maybe can I turn off voice. Maybe I can turn off voice like recognition for certain things. Babysitter does not need access to Madame. Oh, no. That's how you turn on her. Because it's actually a big selling point for the TV without Madame. No you can. But you have to follow. You know, we've got like a receiver all this. So this way, you just it's all done for you just tell her to turn it on. And it's always worked. But now with Google it's like afraid, I can't do that for you. Because voice. Yes. So you need to count or something they need to make a guest account. Well, no. I know it's not a guest account. It would be they need to make it. So certain functionalities, I don't need to have recognition for because guess account won't help you. If it's what this show really is about is. Real world meeting digital world and the problems those that entails honestly that is what this show's been about and more and more about what it's about is how there's this impedes mismatch between humans and technology. So I was gonna tell you some good things. Instance, the copyright law. Did not get renewed. So any so as of yesterday. Anything created in nineteen Twenty-three, or are sooner is in public domain or earlier you mean? Yeah. Earlier not whatever sooner. Thank you for correcting me. I don't even know what I don't think sooner even means anything in that context. But prior prior. That's the word. Thank you. And Mickey Mouse in twenty twenty four remember that it was Disney. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You think disney'll get involved? No. Yeah. The Sonny Bono copyright extension act. That's that's what happened in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine Daniels. Yes. Timing should run for congress. I'd vote for her. Yeah. So the old point is every time. Mickey Mouse is copyright protection has come close to lapsing because he was steamboat Willie was nineteen twenty four congress voted to extend copyright the last time in ninety nine for twenty years. And that's why now it's, but they didn't do it this year because there's sort of Nuys just forgot. You could do it still could still do it. But maybe they'll continue to forget. Brazzi? No, we don't have a government right now. So right. And this is a good thing because I will submit it's a good thing for things to become public domain. Like, for instance. I dunno Grimm's fairytales because then some guy named wall could come along crate movies based on Grimm's fairy tales, but no one can create a movie based on Cinderella because it's still in copyright, and so the bringing things into the public sphere this Larry Lessig always talked about and one of the reasons he created a creative Commons bringing things into this public sphere is good. It's reasonable to say there should be some protection for the creator for some reasonable period of time. It seems like what is it one hundred years almost should be enough. I think that's probably a little longer than intended rhapsody in blue. We'll go in the public domain next year. Great Gatsby twenty twenty one the sun also rises twenty twenty two. But the big one is. January first twenty twenty four when both Batman superman. Snow White don't know that's later. Mickey Mouse will come into this is all from an article in this technical. None of this is gonna that's not how this is all dream on. Isn't it? Disney has a hundred lawyers and three thousand lobbyists right now. We're gonna yeah. Yeah. The problem is Sonny Bono's passed. But they as you say star me Daniels copyright extension active twenty twenty four. Sleight. Just a matter of. That's that's Jeff's name for it. I don't. It was Sonny Bono's law Sonny Bono. I got that. Well, we gotta find a new celebrity congressperson. We want the Michael avenue copyright protection. Act twenty twenty three you can have it. That's fine. I had other good things. Oh, hospitals are now going to have to post their prices online. God. Thank god. We are living in fear or my daughter's ER visit. Covered. Right. Did you get an ambulance? No. No. We took her in. Actively chew ambulances because. Well, if you do ambulance Bill, you I have people when I faint I tell people never took all an ambulance. Unfortunately, a lot of times, I'm unconscious. So then I say, please, don't call an ambulance on or bracelet. Yeah. Yeah. January first yesterday a new regulation took effect requiring hospitals to post the prices of their services online. This is a provision called from by the way, health and human services, inpatient perspective payments system rule, they have to share the prices of standard services online as well as make medical records more easily accessible by patients themselves and sharable between medical practices. Why should these be online because you don't know? You don't know. So one of my graduates real journalism genie Pender has working on a business on this for years called clear health costs dot com. Good where she she works to to. Anyway, she can't through patients through insurance companies whoever to get to the cost we made more transparent and not just hospitals. But also doctors procedures because they can vary all over the map huge. Here's some more. Good news, if the government shutdown continues, which it probably will. Although we'll find out right tomorrow. Because when is when is congress sit tomorrow right third. Yeah. So maybe they'll do something about it. I don't know. But if they don't the FCC shut down. That can only be good right because more government is bad government. Isn't that what they say? Let's shut the FCC down. If see suspended activities will include consumer complaint and inquiry phone lines, consumer protection and local competition force -ment licensing services, including broadcast wireless wireline management radio on TV you start swearing kids for competitive take wouldn't that be funny. If the the thing that ends the government shutdown is how swearing. I'm proud cast. That would be great. That would make me happy. Athletes do not own their own tattoos. Fascinating. It makes perfect sense. But yeah problem. So it's okay for you know, LeBron's TAT's to appear on TV during a game. Incidentally. But because there's a presumed lice. Yeah. But should that tattoo duplicated in let's say a video game. Now, we got a problem because the design belongs to the tattoo artist. Copyright lawyer who by the way. Represented the guy who did make Tyson's face tattoo. And successfully defended it in court, right? That's exactly what it looks like. So I could get sued next as well. I'm putting my hand on my face. He's name is Michael Kahn. He says video games probably says like this video games, they're entirely no area. There's a LeBron James. But it's not the brunt James. It's tune voice of him. I'm hoping I actually went to Cambridge. I see. Michael Kahn, Michael Colin is there a difference. I don't think so. So Lionel Messi heart eating guerrilla Conor McGregor has a heart. Eating guerrilla. Lionel Messi has that sleeve right there. Yeah. You got some spleen into do. They are facing a copyright infringement lawsuit after the cover of the game NFL street, including in Illustre clued in running back Ricky. I can't read anymore included an illustration of running back, Ricky Williams and some of his TAT's, but the artists withdrew is claiming twenty thirteen. This is the interesting part. This is where the is to solve this problem. They're saying when you get a tattoo, if you are a famous player or something you should get a license to have that become part of your digital likeness, which I think is really fascinating. And honestly, I think as a normal person I might be like, hey, if I were going to get a tattoo highly visible spot. I might do that too. Just in case I wanna to create a accurate digital avatar. Exactly. So think about that kids when you're getting that face to make sure you have the artists sign over the rights. That's what Mike Evans did. He's a NFL receiver Gotti Florez who they call. The Teflon tattoo artists has spent at least forty hours to hang Evans. He had to give permission for his work to be reproduced. The game. Really didn't even matter to me said Mr. Flora's who signed a waiver for no compensation. It was dope to have my tattoos on their. Well, you say. Forthr- up. So they right. It was it was it was dope. But they're lawsuits. I mean, I get it. I also think you know. Yes. I I'm thinking about back in two thousand and three when I got married I arranged to have for my wedding photographer. I actually bought the digital rights as part of my photography package. And she's like, no one has ever asked for this before very much under charged me. So it was nice. That's smart. Futurist? Did you? I hope you put them up under creative Commons. So we can remix them. Yeah. Now, did you get permission? You know what I think that situation? I don't know I've been working on the roads in public domain, isn't it? It was just the music. Saying. So what doubt wasn't the eyes of Texas? Are it was I've been working on the railroad? This is this is a call back to an earlier episode. I invite you to listen. A federal judge. In Oregon says the state law that defines what an engineer is violates free speech is this. A software engineer issue has no it's an interesting story interests. Yeah. A Beaverton guy Matt's y'all Strom didn't like how short the yellow lights were in his town. He he said in Portland. I think it was in Beaverton. He had he had he got a ticket for running actually his wife got a ticket for running a red light in two thousand thirteen. So y'all strum not who is by the way has a bachelors of science b s in engineering from Sweden. Spent three years analyzing the method for calculating the duration of yellow light and found the formula failed to account for drivers who have to slow down to make a legal, right. Turn. Or left turn a legal turn slow down to make it a turn did not account for the fact that they are in the box during the yellow turns to read because they've slowed down to make a turn. He said his traffic calculations to the state board and dented himself as an engineer to not only local media, but sixty minutes story on them. State. Find him five hundred dollars for violating a law that governs who can call themselves and engineer finding that he wasn't registered in Oregon as a professional engineer. He's not an engineer. It doesn't have the hat or anything. But. Maybe the states thought a little bit. This is a guy who spent three years analyzing traffic light data to get his wife out of ticket. If there's no better definition of an engineer. I can't imagine well as or someone who is likely to challenge that five hundred dollar fine. He did he went all the way up to a federal appeals court and won a twenty five page written ruling, saying Yarl's may study and communicate publicly your privacy privately about his theories relating to traffic lights as long as remarks occur outside the context of any employment or contractual relationship with governmental or other group that regulates traffic light timing. He may in fact, describe himself both publicly and privately as an engineer. So there there is a. I guess if you were not an engineer, and you told the media that you were in engineer, do you like is that fair like if I called myself a doctor I'd be committing fraud? Right. If I'm not actually. Nearing and. Okay. Yeah. And yes licensing for engineers to some extent. But not the way there is for Dr. And let's be this is I mean, they did say you can't pose as an engineer. You can't come to the state and say, I'm going to design a bridge for you. But you could if you wish send traffic light calculations to the state board and talk to sixty minutes and say here, and we had that for a while in Texas where you could not anyone who did software. You cannot call someone a software engineer because of licensing requirements so that actually was a big deal here for a while. Definitely wouldn't want a programmer to design a bridge. Well, yeah. But you wouldn't wanna you wouldn't want a mechanical engineer to design which either either right or? Yeah. Right. So yes, but mechanical beta? Right. Preach two point. Oh, well, there is your first one false down. So I think that's a victory for free speech. Engineers everywhere everywhere. I changed. Look, I can know where the hat. Oh, lord. No, there's not really I mean, we could. But there's very little change to talk about on. I think Google Google. He can't stop you push the button pushed. Well, Google had this article kick-starting your New Year's resolutions. Google fit. But it's not really. Doc, was it changed. It's over. This is a very provocative article. We probably should have led with this in the New York Times today about a move from the Commerce Department. They're considering security restrictions on the export of artificial intelligence technologies. They don't want the Chinese to get a hold of our research. I guess, but according to the times Cade Mets writing in San Francisco, a growing number of Silicon Valley insiders are worried that proposed export restrictions could actually short circuit the preeminence of American companies in the next big thing to hit their industry artificial intelligence. So this is actually under discussion right now, there's only a few days left to comment on this. Understand how they could do it. I mean, do you regulate the algorithms trying to do this with strong Christian? You remember calling it nations'? The Commerce Department is has a January tenth deadline for public comment on a I export rules. Go read the comments. What what silicon valley's worried about is a exactly what you just said. Which is you can't do anything about it. Anyway, they're not gonna make these rules wanted making a difference and the could harm companies in the US help international competitors and stifled technology improvements. Well, that's why we need to know that how because I mean, theoretically, I mean, that's what everyone says when they're faced with these things. So I just automatically throw that out. I'm just like, but how would you do it? Because that would have the impact of that would determine the impact. Right. Well, yeah. For instance, if you say, well, no American scientists can give papers outside the United States where you can publish them. I mean, how do you contain it? Yeah. I mean, it's well Hello. That's this comes from an August. Congress passed the export controls act of twenty eighteen which added export restrictions to emerging and foundational technologies. So basically, you can give it away. You can't sell it. Well, we don't know. That's right. Because we gotta find out what these rules will be there. We're still in the comment period. Well, do you do things like, oh, you can't manufacture GP over there? 'cause that's how we train a lot of stuff. I mean, do you not have data sets that are available? I mean, there's different. Yeah. A lot of AI innovation is actually being done in made in public. The things that are private today is access to the underline technology, which is highly commodified. So that's not a place to do it. The only other way to do it is access to the data sets. But the data sets just that's not the innovative part. That's like access to steal. So you can build a cool building when you're really trying to stop some style of architecture from escaping federal regulations exempt publicly available information from export until that means the government is unlikely to bar companies universities from publishing fundamentally I research, but it'd be violation of first amendment. But yeah. Well, I don't know, but it could established controls restrict foreign access to that information. How how I don't know. No, no. What what might one thing that might brought us national boundaries the internet takes them away. Right. And that's why we have nationalist going crazy because their their fundamental view themselves is is is challenged. And that's why you know, who is trying to build a wall right in a last futile attempt to hold onto a border. It's in the style. Jeff for a. It is something that never really existed. But. Harari talks about in his Twenty-one lessons is that nationalism doesn't have an answer for global problems like climate change and a and all of this stuff because it's nationalistic this doesn't apply to global world. A like the internet overly restrictive rules that prevent here's one way. They would do it prevent foreign nationals from working on certain technologies in the United States could push those researchers and companies into other countries, it might be easier for people to just do this stuff in Europe. And which means they wouldn't do it in the US. Also have to worry about GDP are and be compliant there and have better business result moved to China. If you wanna do research moved to China anything well, speaking of which the Chinese takeover of the Indian app ecosystem almost interesting interesting almost half of the apps currently in use in India popular in India are from China. Twenty reading for China to come to the US Twenty-eight as likely to be remembered is the year when the Chinese took over Indian smartphones by well, they're doing it in America too. Because who owns tick tock? Tick tock is owned by a Chinese company. It is in December twenty seventeen the top ten mobile apps on Google play store in India. Five out of the top ten of Chinese. There were eighteen Chinese apps funk top on hundred across raise categories, you see browser share it news dog. Oh that was last year this year forty four out of the top one hundred. Almost half. This is this is what's changed? Yeah. So that's India, of course. But this is this is another example of I've kind of come to understand this a little bit better to thanks to some people who've written us, thank you. And and to some books, including Harare's book, China is very much interested in controlling what's going on inside of China with its own citizens, but it's very global and its outlook. Oh, yeah. Well, yes, no. You'd think that the major Chinese apps and companies all about such would be here. It's kind of like, why bother them so much growth left and right. And they don't problems. I keep on keep waiting for that moment. But India's a big Connie. So. Yes. All these American companies that want to go to China. I kept on saying go to India. I interesting dot com. And there's no mention of China. None. But it is owned by Chinese company. It's it's it's among the top apps in the US as well. As not I think it is. Yeah. Well, your your teenager would be or she's not a teenager yet. I guess that's the problem. Top apps on Google play store in US. I'm sure tick talks in the top ten. Have you used to talk? I used it briefly. It's really not for me. Old fart. You raise your old. It's number two in the US. Number one is color bump three D. I never heard of. For her. Can't be right this. These are probably you know, as of last week or something. But yeah, take talks number two and the company's call musically. And you know, it was originally an American product that was bought by Chinese company, which one musically or tick tock musically was American right? Yeah. Tick tock an really, yeah. They aren't they. They're they're the same now. Well, the lot musically, right? Okay. Or I didn't know. Yeah. Yeah. No, no, no. They merged. They killed musically emerged it. Oh, you guys the road near my house just got closed down because of falling rock. I just had to tell you that. Did you just get a text? I did just gotta notification I signed up for those when we had the fires last year. They call them Nick cels here. And I get them all the time. Now, there's police action all over the place. You have a mountain near you. Stacey you have you have people going after Waymo cars, how do you get rocks, and limestone, we have limestone cliff areas that we tunnelled through far roadways and so. If you have limestone anywhere in the world pretty much you've got holes in the in the ground. Well, central Texas is on a giant karst system. Right. It's famous Texas guards. That's named after I think named after the Texas karst, no. This is our last story, but this will make you feel good cafe has opened in Japan. It's staffed by robots but the robots themselves are controlled by people. Paralyzed people. It's a startup that specializes in robots for disabled people the Ori he may d is a hundred twenty centimeter four foot tall robot that can be operated remotely from paralyzed person's home. Even if the operator only has control of their eyes, they can command the robot to move look around speak with people in handle objects. They get paid eight dollars an hour to do it. But of course, there's bigger benefit because they're out there working. It's really ten people with conditions like AL S or spinal cord injuries are working from home. They're paid a thousand yen. Our that's the standard wage for part time work in Japan to serve up coffee and interact with the clientele. As robots? It was crowd funded. They raised twenty six thousand dollars to do it. It will not stay open after a few months, unfortunately. But I what what an interesting, and I think great idea. So this is these are not robots taking jobs for giving jobs. Is that cool. Yes, really needs story from seora news twenty four their headline is bringing you yesterday's news from Japan and Asia today. Which is not okay. Admittedly, the best slogan. Maybe a little better than democracy dies in darkness. But it's you know. Yesterday's news today from Japan and Asia. That concludes our list of stories for the day. Oh, I should say one more thing very excited about I got. So earlier last year, I mentioned that we hadn't gotten are. What three words banner, and I got a nice Email from Giles at what three words saying what you didn't get your banner. So, ladies and gentlemen, I can now unveil without further ado, the what three words address of the twit e side studios glow walnut nasal. How low walnut nasal. We're going to put this up. Where should we put up outside the door? Right. Where he put the numbers, right? The street numbers glow walnut nasal if you ever need to get to our studio. Just remember. A glowing walnut in Leo's knows. Can I just say, you know, hey, g where is our take to glow walnut nasal? I think you're cannon some some some. Some jurisdictional. I just searched on glow walnut nasal. Besides you talking about this. The next is nuts about walnut. Yeah. Would magazine and plastic surgery and danville? Oh to get the going wall removes. Yeah. So this is what grew considerably what? Three the number three. What three words dot com? And if you go to their map, which is very complete their map, you'll see glow on that nasal easy right to our front door. Yeah. And then I think there's a way to like, then send gloat send those coordinates to Google like. Yeah. Like navigate to location. On Google up. You pick your. Yeah. So it tells you what it is how to get to global nasal. It's one minute thirteen feet away. Less than a minute. I think but maybe there's some traffic somewhere outside the studios. Yeah. Heavy traffic in the hall outside. Exactly. So thank you Giles. I got it. I I for some he said, we send it to you. I'd have it here. But maybe got lost. Maybe the postman stole it because he doesn't want to be put out of a job. I think it's probably still demand credit for being the first mention what three years ago network long ago. Very rediscovered it having forgotten it. Yeah. Of course. I e just that. I am made sure to point out. I'm just thrilled. This is they give this to you for free. Really? Yeah. Yeah. Anybody can get this. If you go to what three words dot com. So I have a problem on Google maps. Is that thinks my house is about it doesn't know where the street goes exactly why you need this. But it doesn't it refused stops back there. See the thing about what three words is not based on street addresses, anything as primitive is that. They've divided the entire world up into three meter squares. Everywhere in the world. And every three minutes square has its own unique three word description. Which I think is great. So yeah, I don't know if they still offer the free placard, but I'm thrilled to have mine. And I like this. We should. Yeah. Let's put it likes to our number something or put it on the door. I dunno glow. Walnut nasal. All right. Stacy you have a pick this week talent. I had a nice the week before. But I did not I I'm sorry. You guys the holidays? That's everything. Do all of your case. So happens automated stuff work in your house. Like the Christmas did all of that. The blinds. Go dancing, the blind state, go dancing, the yes. Everything happened. I just as I'm as I've taking stuff down. I'm also taking other stuff out for the like getting ready for the house to sell. So. Oh, no, I'm dismissing. I mean it. Yes. Manoling her IOT creation. Yeah. It's going to be an I'm gonna put it in some other stuff. Anyway, taking the reformer with you. Yeah. Reformers, go with me. That's yeah. I I've moved my reformer several times now. Yeah. It was. We'll show you how. I love my reformer. Well, how about you? Jeff. Do you have a few? Okay. Well, one the business one. I've so Google has evidently says this report profited three billion dollars on made by Google stuff. Everybody made fun when they have their their stuff that's fit can Amanda money three jails. Wow. Their hardware is our hardware gains. Tractions are not that was actually newsworthy. This is actually an investor predicting that they'll make three billion this year from there. But the fact that they could even be close to that number would surprise the heck out of their revenues are actually pretty good. It's pretty separate out. But yeah, there's a lot of chrome casts are sell a lot of stuff. Yeah. So the fun ones. Run a podcast world is the BBC made. Hope you didn't have this already sixteen thousand sound effects available for free karston. Go bad. Oh, I want them. So I did two searches here. One for screams of one for doors. So you can pick a few. There's one that I think in the screams at the bottom of that page orgies. How about one woman three fairly short screams? That's a good one. Yes. How about teenage girls screaming in theater there? A little slow. What is it burlesque scream? Find out. Let's find out. It's like a. These are marked comedy, by the way, just be clear here. That sounds like Stacey. The second page it had beheadings I thought oh my God. They didn't do that. But they were comedy beheadings at this has standard or G as opposed to. I don't know. What's the whips? Sixty. I think maybe orgy means something different in the. I think it means like like, it's probably a technical term used by the BBC to indicate like a riot raucous calamity. There's a lot of funny door ones. There's machines of all kinds of if you search for things he's hurt for Landon type. You can hear line type Trump Trump way. These were I presume used by BBC radio theater, and others transplants. Yeah. Wow. You know, oh, I see see take screams out. Right. Unmarked? Elated groove on a blank record. See how many times have you needed? This. I. I think Moby use that in one of his recordings. Any aircraft batteries aquaria army braiding machines. Here's what a braiding machine. Sounds like. Braiding machine. No idea. No. Here's some fishing industry. Sounds. Wow. This is great. It's in beta there's one fizzy liquids was below fishing. This is why we've pay we pay for our television licences here in the UK. Wait. You don't live in the UK. This is radio heaven. Yeah. So so I I think I think that when we do certain things you've got to have side effects. All ready for us. You could mock house and all kinds of. I had something for techno panic every time someone says techno and we need screams page. Here. Let's. Techno panic struck earlier today. Wow. This is. This is great. So this makes reminds me of the fact that I've been watching homecoming on is it Amazon prime. I watched that it's based on a podcast from Kim live. Oh, hey, you know, what my here, here's a suggestion? Although it's old. So it's probably not applicable for most people. We're listening to the unexplained disappearance of Mars Patel with my daughter, and I and that wonderful for cereal, it's like cereal for kids surreal for kids. It's in they use like kids voices, and it's very fun. And if you have a child where is that? All your I tunes. It's a podcast. Yeah. It's just a straight up. I'd cast. Should I start doing some fiction? Guests. I always always wanted to. But. I thought but I need good scripts. To write the they're hard to come by. Yeah. I always start not this Friday. But next Friday, I am volunteering to teach podcasting class for my daughter's school, and we're gonna do a story based one that they right or we're going to do a news one. That's that's very cool so actually podcasts, and you might include this incorporate this to your curriculum. This is a new site called. Listen notes dot com. Written by one guy in San Francisco scratching his own. It's it's a podcast search engine. So if I enter Jeff Jarvis in here it will come up with. Your appearances on the good fight this weekend. Google four eighty eight. Our last episode avoiding airway disasters, Dr Jeff charge drivers think. That's that's the other Jeff who actually has talented is needed. Here's a German one that you did. Oh, MR media MIT bef. So is this cool and on bunch of tweaks so you can search for any subject. Let's search for I don't know Waymo and find they searched through many many many podcasts to find the words this, you know, it's Google for podcasts. And it's really very cool. I wanted to give give him credit for creating was he who he says he doesn't. Yeah. Right. Found it somewhere. Here. It is about. When Wenbin Fung he lives in San Francisco. I quit my day job from next door seven hundred forty eight days in twenty three hours ago. Obviously a programming nerd he says, I'm an avid podcast listener listened to five plus hours every day. I used to subscribe to only a few, but I still couldn't listen to all episodes. So he created this. I built he said it was another I can build this weekend project, but it's gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. And so I think this is really cool. He has a form for submitting missing pot discovery. Yeah. Yeah. We mentioned something else while we're here. So so as German steady h q dot com. I need it. When I wrote this piece of the German journals stuff I wanted to read this one guy. There was a paywall hell. And this site that has pages and pages and pages of of seven pages filled with sites, they're all chairman but membership sites, and so it makes sense it. Yeah, we're not gonna pay for all of them. But it's an easy way to throw some money at someplace in join as opposed to pay. Well, so I I wish we had something like this in the US aggregate or membership. So you pay once and you get all up once. No you sign up once and then you can choose to easily say, okay, I want I want to join that one or that one steady steady HQ explore on the top. What we're what we're learning in the video world is that there is reeducation happening because Roku just announced that it's going to do as Google does with YouTube TV and others to give you a chance to subscribe to Showtime HBO within the Roku ecosystem. So you get one Bill. And I think that's I think that's what users one. I bet you something like that won't happen with pay walls because it's because nobody wants to get nickeled and dimed maybe they do that. Like what textures? Yeah. Of course, apple has bought texture. And I don't know what's going to happen to think it's going to be incorporated into an apple news product. That's the rumor, but we don't know yet. There's some problem because you know, remember texture was created by magazines like hurston Conde nast as a way to sell magazines digital environment. But all those deals occurred because they were owned by themselves now that they're owned by apple I think all those deals are off the table and apple to renegotiate and I think having a sticky time renegotiate, I'm not sure all magazines are in trouble. There was a story somewhere. I forget where I saw that women's magazines, particularly in trouble, which is interesting. Stacey do you? Did you ever? Seventeen when I was team when you're. When you're. I pick up vogue every now and then just to look at the fashion spreads. But I don't subscribe to Angeles. You were never glamour reader or any of that. I like Cosmo. Not really, no. I mean. No, I don't beat a lot of I only read really high falutin. I don't know. What? No. I was like I read scientific American. The New Yorker the economist I'm like God. I am pretentious person thought you were a family circle type. I I read like I read websites for by silly women's come like, my fun kind of like. I don't think this is why they're in trouble. Because I look at almost everybody. I know. People don't subscribe to dead trees anymore. They just rely used used to buy them by the pound the double bag me at the Hudson news. Yeah. Because I just don't buy them anymore. Well, that's good. To I I mean, I subscribed to four bag is Enes. They just are really funny. Funny thing happened with the Atlantic. I have a digital subscription of the Atlantic. And I got a paper copy of it last month. And then I just got an Email from them saying do some to an error. We all our digital subscribers paper copies. But if you'd like to continue your paper subscription for free. Check here. So I said, well, yeah, it's free. What's that all about Jeff, you know, about how this is? I got it from wired. Trick. It's a new trick. Is it to subscriber numbers? Yes. Okay. That's readership numbers for the ads because you make more money on the print ads. So right story in the show or my my late father in law died many years ago, we still get magazines because they think that it's going to go into his waiting room. And we got everybody's every month sent to us because of that reason. So they want they want to boost the reader on used to get those too. Even though I didn't have a waiting room, but because you were business. Yes, they thought I'd put him in the lobby. Right. Oh, that's really interesting. And that's probably where they get the the pass along numbers. Yes. Eight hundred people read this because it was in Leo's lobby. So some weeks we'll get like three copies of of dogs and guns because they need more circulation this month next. No, we gets l'estrange next month. We got you know, but else Alantic owned by Conde nast. No Atlantic is now owned by the rain Powell jobs, and the the Emerson collect to active. Yes. The amazing wonderful thing around journalism and media for her and one of them was buying the Atlantic box talking barrel. So it's so so just as Washington Post has its Basil's Atlantic has its Powell jobs time has its Benny off some of these folks are now going to the magazine world pro to save them. Do you worry that this is a little bit? Like the patronage system of old Venice. No. I mean, the New York Times it's been. I make money though. Don't they? Yeah there. Yeah. The family has control, but the family owns really all small families zoning. I mean, like the Hearst corporation. But when I'm talking about patronage where you're by something run, it, you don't expect to make any money just because you wanna support good journalism. I think that go ahead. Stay I was gonna say I think Benny off wants to make money on this, right? It was a personal with with market has wife. I I wanted to get him to the journalism school to talk about that vailable do that. I'm really curious because I don't know what I would do at time magazine. No, I used to work in the company. I know what I would do. Land what he's going to get their news from a news weekly. Not not a general interest magazine. A general interest was dead. How the week which is kind of compilation news that works because it's it's the value. Yeah. Right. And and and the guy who launched the week in the US then worked with the last owner to save the Atlantic had really made it work. And then now as a Bloomberg media as your question about patronage, Leo, I think that what we're seeing is Gutenberg time watch out. But I think we're seeing a return to earlier business models as try out things and so- patronage is is a temporary solution to a problem as we try to understand where the value really is. And rethink our models. There's a lot of people declaring advertising dead. I certainly hope not. And you certainly hope not I don't think it is. I don't think paywall is gonna solve everything. But I think patronage is a way to was was a model of the very early days of publication. Well books. And it's coming back for for a time. This is a conversation. Lisa have been having because we looked at gimli give three things they have ads, but they also got raised at least twenty million in venture capital, and they ask for money from their listeners. And I've always felt like you can't you can't pick one. You can't do all three. But I guess you can you can. So what what what do you conclude? What do you? What do you call? Lisa says. Well, why don't we do? Why don't we ask? Why don't we create a club or so I think so some value added thing that we could then say, hey, you know, support twit. That's how I discovered you way back when the report that's how we started over me. We never raise because because Jervis wanted to give you money. Oh, so it worked out. The money. I got you Jake joined well, you didn't know anything about that Google Google show. But yeah, that's how that's how I knew before you originally, but we never made enough money to support more than one show. And so, but advertisers has been very good for us. I just think it's going to go away. I think that your advertising is the last kind of go away because you have the added value of the relationship to the public and the trust and all that. But we're constantly under a lot of pressure. Yeah. Well, I'm figuring. I'll just retire at that point your son. You're our thirty. I will be very worried doesn't your son. What the business does? Yeah. But he he's going to have to if he does he's going to have to solve it. Right. He's have to figure it out. Patronage. Yeah. The technical ecosystem will be so different. So well, patriot didn't exist. When I was asking Jeff son for money patriots would have made that a lot easier. Although I don't know. I just don't know. I don't know. I just read. So I'm doing my Gutenberg research, and I just read a piece pile of that pile. I don't know where this but on on books and arguing that. You know, there's a major system of patronage now or on books. There's a major system of self publishing run books that the books don't die. But the business model of books yet changes has already changed pretty radically. Yeah. What Stacey what do you think about? I mean, you have ads for shows you also charge for newsletter, which I think is no you don't charge from Bruce ladder charge. Don't you? Stay. I tell them. So I don't have the confidence to charge. Neither why are my stuff. I guess I I know that sounds I just. I don't like that model because I think especially given if I were slightly more traded. I would and I am kind of trade, but I also deal with what I feel are really important issues that we should be talking about. So I want more people to talk about them and think about them, and I still do a lot of consumer facing stuff. So I so that's kind of. Why? Yeah. I don't know. That's why I hate to hear the notion that advertising might not I I love ad supported free media because it gives us freedom. Yeah. There's a lot and and I worry greatly about redlining quality media for just the privileged. Yeah. So this amazing. So this is this was in wired, which I do have to subscribe to there's all kinds of things I want to read I paid for why too. But I didn't pay for Bloomberg. I couldn't bring myself to do that. Part of the was God damn don't they make enough money on those terminals? I know I know. And so that's that's part of the reason why you don't go to the wealth four times. You know, I think as as somebody who had by this stuff, I'm not going to give them money. They just got venture capital have ads. Bugged me long time, Hulu, I had to watch ads after I paid for it. When I pay for the New York Times in the Washington Post. I'm not paying by content. I'm paying support their work. So that's different hatred. Yeah. Because I do that. Yeah. Yeah. So so the future book is here. But it's not what we expected in wired July, December twenty eighteen so just out. So they say Craig mod says this I couldn't believe this almost half of author earnings now come from independently published books. Wow, independent books don't out still big five books, but they offer higher royalty. That's the point percent versus twenty five percent, right. For the first time perhaps the adventure. The pre press authors small presses have a viable. Oh, jeff. Did you ever get twenty five percent for a book? No, that's crazy for percents. Yeah. Best and it's not fifteen percent of the. Overprices fifteen percent of what the bookstore as fifty percent of your fifty percents of the agent. Yeah. Okay. So that's really the it's a low bar because it isn't hard to make more money when you publish yourself because the publishers not taking the eighty five percent or more of the of the revenue. You also don't do. I mean, they don't do marketing or things like that. They don't do marketing. Anyway, could anyway that was the big lesson to me with this. If you're if you're Danielle Steele, maybe you'll get a book tour and some marketing dollars, but any other book you get maybe an editor south of. The lower authors is you've got hire your own publicist. Yeah. With your own money. Yeah. That's why you'll if you do that you might as well hire an index or an appro- for and layout person. And just do the whole thing yourself or the old days. You know, what I was writing books past the way to get into the bookstore. Shelves had to be right. Do you had no choice? You didn't get an end cap on your own. Now. You know, I don't know. Yeah. I published thirteen books with the publisher. I you don't make any money at it. But. That's the other thing if you reconsidered that kind of stuff now. Yeah. I it's all new it's all different worlds business, you control more. You can market it here. Too tired. Guys. Thank you. Stacey Botham everybody. Go run. Subscribe. Stacey on IOT dot com. Honey. Honey, don't give her money. Just listen to the ads and buy the products. She and Kevin do such a great job covering IOT. You must listen and then get a newsletter because that's free. It is it's free. And I think it's totally worth it. It's totally worth it. It's awesome. I subscribe, Jeff Jarvis. He gets paid handsomely. As director of the town. I'd center fraud for neural journalism. Craig Newmark graduate school of journalism at the City University of New York. No, I don't know what he gets paid by the by the job title word by the word. But he is awesome himself and he publishes regularly buzzmachine dot com. N medium. He's got numerous wonderful books, which she should go by including public parts, and what would Google do and both of them. Join us almost every week for the show when they're can when they're not traveling. Will we see you both next week? I will be at CS. So you will not see me. Have you heard of brave of you? Wow. Would be a lot of stuff there though. And we'll be coming on this week in tech on Sunday after ceus so right on oh. Oh, great. Thank you for doing that. I haven't been. Yeah. How many years? God. I don't know. I think it's been five or six maybe seven for me. It's been a while we used to go every year in coverage big booth on the floor and everything. Wow, that's expensive. It was it was that's why we stopped. South by southwest. Well, I think we're gonna do south by this year. Really? Yeah. Should we all get togethers? Could be your last two. Stacey. Oh, I I was like, dude, I'm not dying even Seattle. You're leaving Austin? I think I'll let you get back to you. But we we've had some interest in doing the Capital One house again, if we do we do that. We'd love to have you both there. We'll figure it out. Yeah. I might be in. Okay. I might be Sweden during south by. But I might not be because this is so typical of Austin nights. Yeah. I'm getting paid to talk. So we'll get west Faulkner on. Instead, he go get there's lots of great Austin is I can hook you up with. Okay. Anyway, sweden. That'll be fun. I love sweet Stockholm. Jeff Han, restaurants and. Talk. Oh, I know housing. He's not in Sweden never been. I just going to the Nordic countries. But yes, I am going to stop them as well. While you're in the Nordic countries. Don't forget the amazing Bergen to Oslo train. Who? Oh, this is something about that hat. 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Rogue Talk Radio with guest Jeff Mudgett

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Rogue Talk Radio with guest Jeff Mudgett

"Locked talk radio From everyone here at the rift radio network would like to welcome you tonight special broadcast. This work is protected by creative commons license and now a word from our sponsors Run gung start. Virginia this fall to experience the creepiest place around take part and the ghost tours produced by marty cbo and the residents of sun ticket prices rage from eight to thirteen dollars. Private group rates are available. Learn more and investigate details of mary baldwin from the mary baldwin college the old western state asylum and much more towards times ticket prices and dates visit their website at www dot gov dot com or call five four zero four four eight two seven four three available tour dates are limited and filling up fast. Make sure to secure your reservations for this ball season. Get out of the house and become a part of history. Those starting tours only in virginia's shenandoah valley. Cdc guidelines are followed and for questions. Please visit www dot ghost of starting dot com or call five four zero four four eight seven four three. Well good evening. Everybody and welcome to rogue talk radio on the wrist radio network. I'm sheila gay. And i'm here with my co host kirby debris hey curbs what's going down man and hello. Oh how are you doing. I'm i'm doing great i Let's go back to work today. So i'm i'm doing great. I'm glad you recovered and everything you're better. I had a great weekend hanging with a the rip crew in jefferson texas and meeting up with some really cool people and doing it in the big investigation and give away and things to help Pow's and it was just so much fun. We had a great great time in jefferson hotel. It's always awesome and a little creepy. But i'm really excited tonight to have on jeff. We've had him on before and his whole story of finding out. He's the great great grandson of h h holmes. A jack the ripper so. This is such an amazing. You had the great book out called. You know bloodstains and i've read it and he was also on He was on the history channel with all morillas. So i'm a real fox in there was a whole show trying to get Figure out do all that cool kind of cop. Work to figure out if he was really related to h h holmes and if aj tones. Was jack the ripper and it was so good. I can't wait to talk to him about it. And all of what happened before. Because i love hearing about it. And what's going on now so i'm gonna go ahead and bring them on and let's get this creepy party started. Hey jeff flow sheila. Hi kirby how are you guys. I'm doing good. How are you how you doing curbs going. Pretty well and i am excited. I'm excited to be on with you guys again on the rock. Roque talk radio. I had a lot of fun last time. I really enjoy having you on your so. Well spoken and intelligent and fun. Sometimes people are just smart and they're not that much fun. But i'm just saying ooh what a compliment. Thank you feel you check all the boxes and interesting story and a interesting history you have. I really love it and we have a lot of listeners. That are new to us. So you know anything you talk about. It's going to be new to them. So hopefully they got to watch the show they didn't we can tell them about that. Because are reruns of it. I watched it again. Because you know how i am. I'm just fascinated by all of it and your book is amazing as well. I gotta tell you. American ripper was a lot of fun history. You know. that's the channel to work for and then giving to co host with amaryllis fox. I called their scully during production. That was just it was Quite an experience. Maybe one of the greatest of my life. And i'd love to talk with it about the show and how you know. I never worked on tv before all of a sudden being called to be a co host on a miniature. Eight hour was quite an experience and exciting. And if you guys wanna share with it any of living. I'm i'm willing to do so. Yes yes we would like it. We would love for you to start from what you know. Tell us a little bit about the prior history. How you know. I know but a lot of our listeners. Don't how you came to find out that you had such a hideous family member your thank you for. Never really meeting him Oh i mean that you know. My great great grandfather was the most evil man in american history. There's no one that argues that with me A lot of other things but not that not that fact and the operator of the murder castle in chicago during the world's fair and If killer the serial killer of quite a few people that how many killed no one actually knows. And i don't try to get into that too much because you know chicago was this. Bustling place in homes had a hotel with a basement with furnaces acid bass. You had a glass factory a back through the chicago river running running through business and then a railway right next to the hotel so trying to determine how many innocence he killed and then successfully got away from with you know got the had disposed of their bodies kind of silly if you ask me right and you consider what what how police work was back then compared to what they can do now so there was only you know. They didn't have all the technology they have now to find out. You do what he did and move on and on and keep doing it yeah know. Dna no fingerprints new. No blood tests none of that so crazy. Yeah crazy so tell us about how it felt when you first you know i know but how did it feel to you when you first found that out. It was such an usual way that it was just blurted out to the family. I mean that that was crazy in itself. All right i will. It's found out when i was about forty years old. I was practicing law in california. I done some criminal law. Some maritime admiralty work with the ships colliding with each other and then some insurance defense work for san francisco law firm and I knew my grandmother was fascinated with our genealogy or ancestry and was convinced that one of our relatives was the the civil war general robert e lee which was why my middle name was jeffrey lee majett. She had and she had put some money into that. Quite a bit of money. Back then and These experts They gently told grandma. Gail my dear. You probably wanna let sleeping dogs lie. This isn't general robert. E lee and My grandfather had kept it a secret from the entire family. His whole life because after all Sheila that was my grandfather's grandfather that the family you know ran away from out to the west coast to get away from the stigma because that trial that holmes had gone through that murder. Trial in philadelphia had been the o. J. simpson trial of the time. Every major newspaper covered it so when my grandfather was hearing this opening of the door on him there at a family dinner party you decided. Enough was enough slammed. His hand down on the table stood up and told the family the true. And we all kinda suck sat. There shocked if you can imagine. Yeah i a mile quite him. It's just you know. Discover so i was. That was my line of work that investigating history and backs to prove a case at trial and it fascinated me and then the fascination turned into an obsession to where i put away my work. Put away my career and decided i was going to see what was what because there were so many legends. So many lowers about the monster that this man had been and what it actually happened to him had. He traveled to europe during that time had been involved in any of the other famous. Murders that we all were aware of when we were kids going to school and it got more and more until finally i decided to write. Write my book bloodstains and then started getting going on shows like like you know grow talk radio and coast to coast and then i had. The ted talks asked me to present my evidence. Proving he was jack the ripper and after that History channel Contacting me about making the american ripper for national television amazing. You must have been totally a little bit shaken by. Not not the fact that you know all all of your all of your hard work. 'cause people find out fact time that they're related some of rather not be or somebody kind of hideous in history but that you were were contacted to be on a show like you said you'd never done television for for all of us regular peeps. We would have felt like you did like. Oh what am i getting into now. And what's it gonna you know. What do i have to do and learn the. How did all that work with you. Did they take aside and tell you each episode what you were going to do and work with you. 'cause it was really well done. I mean it never seemed like it was just too too much. you know. let me let me Let me set the the base here first because and this is this is an interesting part for your show i think. But when you go and you agreed to produce a show like american ripper for history channel before you even see a camera There's about one hundred lawyers. There's Documents you have to sign the agreement you have to make and most of it has to do with me. Never going on shows like yours in kirby's and telling you what history and i talked about on the side. Yeah that's that. Is what motivates about. And then but your question she was. Maybe one of the best ones i've ever heard in all the years i've done this with shows like yours No i would repeatedly asked for some coaching about what the next episode was going to be like and they wanted that shock. Look on my face. That's what they were shooting now. Amarillo is had coach. She had scripting she had. She knew what was coming but not me they. They wanted that that. Look i don't and i don't know if it actually came out on on television or not but i was very frustrated that i that i wasn't told what was coming next that i could go home and research as i had done that law at trial and my life and and then maybe present a well prepared co host for the show. But that's not what they wanted. And once those people those professionals that make television make their mind up. There's no change in that. Might you're not in charge of it. You were just one of the players. Yeah no you're you're definitely one of the players and and the part that was difficult about american river but i agree with you the first seven episodes if anyone has watched yet find out where it's at it's going out it was they had put it aside for a couple of years after the f. the last episode was concluded. But now it's out more and more and they're actually. I think feeling a little proud of some of the historical re-creations. They were doing of homes in london. As jack the ripper and if you ask me at some of the best historical recreation and all of television the actor that played holmes was just superb. The the writers were awesome and the director mark parade. Mr mark perez was just he was You know maybe the best. I've ever seen doing that and i keep waiting to see his name. Come up on some. Tom cruise movie or leonardo. Dicaprio shooter something. He's that good now. That last episode was a failure. And i still don't know what happened. And i asked and i asked what had gone on. What what were they trying to prove. What were they trying to get away from. And they would never explain to me. What what it was all about. I knew there were some problems with the the staff with the crew with the production Personality wise and It it all kind of Unraveled that last episode. And and to tell you the truth. Sheila that that last episode were would have been dominated by that exhumation of the grave. We did on television the sixth and seventh episodes when and when we dug him up. We got the court to agree. The lawyers had worked all summer long. They got the judge to agree. Pennsylvania court cordola law that we dig it up to find out who it really was that had he been executed or not as the history books all said and exhumation when you see so many of the shows now on television and they're they're about an author there about Someone with a theory with the concept and they get up and they. They spread old pictures from one hundred years ago. They put newspaper articles up and they tried to work their concept or theory into that material. They pulled up from google. What we did was actually dig that grave up. We did archeology. We had anthropologist from the university of pennsylvania. We had professional engineers. They're doing the digging because the graves were collapsing on each side of us and there were other bodies around us The film crew was just incredible the way they were filming down into the the gap and and i've got a great tale. I love The tell about amaral. She she and i got to be real good friends during the show but there during the dig when we got down to where it was the smell kirby was unimaginable. Bad worst. now you've ever smelled in your life. there wasn't exactly a top notch. Embalming procedures back then they were getting sick. There were people getting sick Man five indoor. Yeah and you know me. I was still at that point thinking. Oh god this is probably my ancestor down there. This is probably a much it is you know so i had that thing in the back of my head. I hadn't become convinced that it wasn't him and I remember i'll never forget this. One scene director said that the to ask the to Our anthropologists from upn penn were down in the in the whole doing. They're digging and you could the two ladies you could tell. They were at their edge and mark said mudgee. Why don't you jump down in the great. We'll get you down there digging away. And i said i'm not going nowhere. I'm not going down so so you know who jumps right up to the front and jumps down in there and just start hauling away was. Amarillo is the c. i. a. Operator she was something. Oh my god. I made meyler. Yeah big smile and everything. So but Yeah i used to call her scully so it was We had a lot of fun together. I really liked that nickname scully. X. is one of my favorite shows ever. So yes i. I have to agree with you. I kept all of my attention all the time. You never knew what they were going to do. And they work so well together. And i could see how the she would remind you of her because what a great mind for for what she's doing i mean i'm sure for everything but how she thinks and how she's been trained and looks at o. Evidence and these it together you to work very well together from our point of view watching the show and there were. Sometimes i could tell you didn't know what was coming up or what you were supposed to say but not in a bad way not for me. I see how it'd be hard for you. Oh yeah well. Maybe they got what they wanted but Yeah her training in You know forensics in The cia investigated the you know the spying Was just awesome. And there wasn't anything that made her uncomfortable that she couldn't handle in the situation and She was perfect to work for. I think she did another show. That's coming out on showtime pretty soon. I don't remember the exact name of it but if you if you Tracked down amarillo. Fox will probably come up with it and then she actually went out. Sheila after american ripper and she married The great grandson of the kennedy Robert kennedy amazing so she's at a famous family. Now she's got got it made yeah She seemed too young to not to to be retired at at what she did was she retired from the fbi. You know i don't. She never told me what happened with her. At the cia and weather seen i already this year. Yeah whether she got out or they let her. i don't know and she was probably the top secret thing that she couldn't talk to me about. But you know that's half her life there was like that so and i never pushed her on it. I just we We'd get through with a shoot and then we go have dinner and a couple of drinks together and talk about what we found and to tell you the truth She never believed my theory She never believed that. Holmes was jack the ripper and she was pretty honest about except you know she would pull a scene she would pull off the shoot as the show neither to do but I was pretty much the only one the first two or three episodes that believe that all and that made this made it difficult for me. And i just kept hanging in there hoping that with what we were showing what they were seeing the crew would come around but I'm not. I'm not sure they did. And when you know when you when you have a theory ab- or a concept about jack the ripper niche. This outlandish that he was an american doctor. That went to london Wrote the dear boss letter. All that You have you guys. Kirby you can't imagine i have had probably one thousand people calling me names describing my theory as outlandish as as stupid as imbecilic all those all those great names and but that's pretty much anybody that comes up with a new theory or concept about jack the ripper. That's what you get because there's over one million ripper holidays in this world that that's all. They dedicate their lives studying about the mystery of jack. The ripper. yeah yeah. There's he's a fascinating figure that people know a lot about so yeah. There's plenty of people who are sure they've got the answers about it. So are you still with us. I'm here so i never know on this show. I sometimes it'll drop me usually me. It's already dropped. I call in through two numbers through the network here and my phone. 'cause it normally drops me somewhere. I'm just saying i just never. No one else has gone. I can look up there your numbers here but that doesn't mean anything so so like what you were saying so interesting. I just can't imagine how you know it and you're trying to convince someone of it especially in the setting like you're talking about but prior to the show. How'd you are ready. You hadn't had the the connection with the blood work. Was that done during the show for their show or had you done that before the show in already knew he was short related to you know that was the last couple of episodes when I gave blood My father and i gave dna and they ran the comparisons against the remains. We pulled up from the grave if he was actually our great. My dad's great grandfather. Great great grandfather. So we're on a little 'cause you you knew you felt like you knew but that was baxter would make everyone else. Believe it right It didn't it didn't they. They they there. Was you know what guys i think. And this is just me thinking. It's not me recalling any conversations with nice street that would violate a contract is signed but the What i think happened was they just they just you guys remember. The amelia earhart scandal. When when they presented the program that they said they had solved amelia earhart and they had to come out on national television admit they were wrong. Yeah i think they were concerned about jack the ripper being one hundred times more you know I wouldn't say famous but historical than amelia earhart and then having that happen again to them and how maybe reputation damaged and they so they were reluctant to jump out on the limb. Like i was So they they hung back and and the rest of the crew did to Until you know. I tried to explain to them that we had you know had given a ted talk where we explained the handwriting analysis of the famous dear boss letter where jack the ripper was the phrase was invented by the author how he predicted the next murder catherine eddoes and how he was going to remove her ear and delivered that piece to the to the police and We we used a a science group at the university of buffalo who had invented a program for comparing hand writing so that law enforcement could arrest. prosecuting convict in trial. And the fbi was actually using these guys. Were so good. And well lo. And behold i contacted them said. Can you guys help me. I want to run the dear boss letter with some of my grandfather's handwriting in his in his letters. The correspondence that we have and i was surprised but they agreed to do so without charge. They did it for historical purposes. Great stuff and they came back and said that the numbers were remarkably similar that they needed to do more work. They wanted to change their programs to fit the font that was in the eighteen eighties in in the uk and america and before they came out and you know made the statement that you know. Two billion people around the world are waiting to hear the jack the ripper missed and they needed money for that a lot of money and i didn't have it and none of the people i contacted would help would help me with that. So the you know we were sitting there with with this handwriting. Analysis comparison. Same system the fbi us History did a great job in the uk we hire to linguists who agreed that dear boss had been written by an educated american trying to sound english. That the dear boss. The original line itself was an english at all and So you know we were on the right track. We just We never got. We never got around to putting the funds down and having those university of buffalo scientists go through the whole process for me another episode kirby of them doing that on television while the world waits to see. If we've solved jack the ripper for good right there would have been a great show a great show but we never got around to doing it. And i'll never know why. I think they would have had more more viewers than ever because it as you said the show built and then it just dropped. That's how i felt this trump me. I'm like wait a minute. I question my friend. My friend Let me know that. The last episode at one point four million viewers in in america. How that it showed in canada it showed in the uk with more is showed in south africa and australia so it was doing really well. I don't and i don't know why they ran away from other than that. Amelia earhart being that. I have in my head. That like i said. I didn't hear that from anyone. i just. That's the concept i come. It doesn't make a lot of sense because it had such high rating. It didn't would so sure. Because everybody that i knew kind of would chat back four with forthwith had been watching it so i was really shocked. I was waiting for stephen season. Two like i said that final episode had a lot of problems. There was Intricate internal problems Personality thing like that and and I just you know. I i never was involved in budget. I never was involved in the money. History was spending except at one time. They told me how much they spent during the explanation and they were quite upset because i told them despite. Never having zoomed body before in my life. I figured it would. We could probably get out of there for about one hundred grand and it. It was more than that. So they were upset about a lot of those things and And they just decided enough was enough. And i guess in television she loved. That comes up sometimes and it's hard decision to make. Yeah yeah i would just comes down to money sometimes. Yeah yeah i but everything you're talking about the the way you tell the your story and information and even the way it was on television was so interesting everyone. Your book was so interesting. Just seems seems to me that they could've ex- expanded on that. I know there was a lot of money. But they've spent most of the money. Well i guess that we're talking about the post office issue. There would have been a lot of money there if if ever that could even be done. Yeah you're coming back. Then the ratings were crazy high I don't know if the federal government was going to allow them to do anything on the grounds of the post office. I know you know. I had gone down into that same basement. I don't know if you remember but with hundred history another show on history channel and we had gone down into that post office basement. The one all employees thing there is haunted and contains still some of the original tunnels from the murder castle and it was One of the most sinister Events of my life. I remember we had you know we. The the post office did not use the basement boarded up. They didn't go down there. They didn't want to go down there. They didn't have the courage to go down and You know it was. It was over in sixty third wall of sin ed in chicago which is a rough part of town so everything about it just had a weird strange atmosphere and The when we went we talked him into letting us move the move. The boxes from the door down the stairways into the basement. You know spider webs the whole thing dead rats everything you can imagine and We went down into the basement with the crew behind me filming and it was. There was definitely an i. I don't know if i actually Have a firm believer in the paranormal. The super natural the super. You know the possession thing but there was an energy down there. Sheila that Was hard could describe. And i was hoping the post office would let the history channel. Take us down into that basement. On american ripper that we would go give you know a couple of professional psychics. Go with us to see if they could record the reaction. I was having you know. Being down there with him again and Unfortunately the post office said no. Well well yeah. They don't wanna be uprooted. You know. yeah right under right under them right The building actually. Yeah it's off to the side a little bit. There's only a little bit of interlock Could've done some excavation on the lawn next to the post office and gone directly down into see one of the one of the the components i would tell the producers so much about how we needed to start putting pressure on the federal government and the post office because when they bought the murder castle and tore it down in the nineteen twenties. They knew what it had been. They knew that there had been murders unsolved. Murders committed there. They knew there would probably still evidence there herbie and what they did was a violation of many many statutes and i told them. Let's let's let's give the federal government in the post office you up here. Let's tell them we'll we'll take care of this. We'll do it properly and see that they're not blamed for anything and then make sure you know. Make sure we present it right. You know as as with Law enforcement investigators but No they refuse to let us back in there. Something about that. First time we went down into the basement had bothered everyone there that we hadn't heard about interesting with we do have a question in a chat room Did they have or did you find any tunnels to the smoke tower where the bodies were burned away. So i'm assuming you weren't even able to look in that area underneath alpar right. I remember the drawing. Sheila of the furnaces that were down there that supposedly the bodies were eliminated in but they weren't there now. The you know that they'd been removed when the post office was put in as far as the smoke. A tunnel to smoke tower. I don't remember that at all. Okay interesting so under under neath what. I'm just clarifying is. The post office is where his his murder house was. It's overlaps maybe ten feet but it's set off to the side a little bit and They would they would have had to have taken down that one foundation wall where they built the post office. I'm pretty sure i'm not a. I'm not an architect. I couldn't stand up. Raise my swear under oath. But that's that's i feel pretty certain. And then like i said there were original brick tunnels still there that someone at the post office back at thought were handy one day. If ever they needed to escape. I guess so back in the twenties when they had bombed out all the expensive. Yeah so the man Yea but there was a part there that i still go back and think about and i. I tried convincing the the crew and hundred history about but in the one side of the wall down in the basement there was a door size. Cut out that had been replaced with modern more modern brick and wall again. And i'm convinced and it's right toward the section that the murder castle the main murder the would have been someone had gone down there after the post office that bill had cut that door out of the main foundation wall and they had gone into that area for a reason to get something they had left behind convinced and That would have been. That would have been fun to pull in. Indiana jones in raiders of the lost ark over. No oh they amazing. All of it was less so Unfinished to someone in the chat room is asking if if you and the crew and this is the person who joined a little later so if you i don't think you've answered this i might have cut you off a little When you were going into basement feel you stirred up paranormal activity. Do you feel like that. You didn't get to go all the way down there though. They would only let you go so far right. no. I went all the way down. I went and i don't. I climbed into a couple of the tunnels and The i write about this when you know what. I'm whatnot and it's a great question. I'm glad The chat room. They brought this up but When i went down the stairs Sheila you know i didn't. I didn't tell you the truth. I didn't believe in goes. I didn't believe in dobbins. I didn't believe in god to tell you the truth Sorry i used to the truth twice but that sticks in my head and an hour later when we came back up after i had felt the energy down there. I say. I'm still convinced that someone one day is going to prove the paranormal. All right and i know. I know there is a proof. Sixty third and wallace waiting for some and when we came back up and i felt that that energy down there and we came back up those stairs. I believed in paranormal. I believe in the supernatural. My belief in god to but i didn't see anything i didn't see of these united ghost. I didn't see any of those things that was just a feeling in my soul in my in my head about what was actually down there and it's hard it's impossible to describe i guess Just for one of the people in the chat room. The murder house had several ways to dispose of bodies as well right. I mean not. Just cremate them. But i also he oh. He could cement them in without battery on he had. He didn't just do runway right. Just dispose of the people that he that he Murder beaming gas chambers and all kinds of stuff. And i think yeah every room that was basically a gas chamber up the hotel that he killed. People There was an acid baths supposedly an acid bath. I don't know the exact chemicals that were used. I'm sure there's somebody on the chat room that might fill that in but Like they said there was cement glass Factory down the road that he owned. This was probably the master at eliminating Evidence of murder or or experiments what. I'm trying to convince you. World now. Sheila in kirby and i'm glad you're helping me but what i'm trying to convince the world now is you know we we call it the murder castle the factory of death those things. I convinced those things happen. They're horrible terrible things but it was his laboratory. He he was the american dr frankenstein back in the eighteen ninety keep offers burgers in our chat room and he said he he got to speak with you at a paranormal conference in lincoln nebraska. Couple of years ago and just says hey geoff. Oh i know keith. Well he's a good man and we had a lot of fun there. with cheryl and He's very dedicated. He's a dedicated Researcher and investigator on this subject and the paranormal to and I enjoy with facebook. That's so awesome. That's great but He he's a. He's part of our our our whole Rift network now so. We're really lucky to have him be a part of our our group on our. I think we have the most amazing people and we the best guests. I'm just saying my show. How some guests and jeff year one of them Lebel interesting all the time well-spoken and so much more we didn't get to know that's where i was. I was left in all this as you were a had to be. Much more Emotional way we're not even done finding out everything. Yeah that's how. I feel as people that watched the show we were we were. We're not done yet. We have to fund it though. Oh and and the disappointing. Probably the most. I obviously salt to have the world think we saw jack. The ripper would have been fun. But what i was most interested in was proving mash. It wasn't it wasn't him in that great that we zoom. And you know. That's what i used to do for a living. Take that evidence and proving. You know identification. It's not often but a couple of times at trial. And when we you know my father. And i gave the na and blood when both ours matched perfect. -ly perfectly identically. And his came back didn't match you know and i'm sitting there scratching my head way. What were you d a. This is the thing. Every television criminal television show in the world talks about that of the cops prove crime. Now and I was there. You know in the laboratory at the university of pennsylvania for the anthropologists and if anybody gets a chance the museum. They have their on answer apology in archaeology. Is you could spend days going through it. And seeing all the items from around the world they had down in glass cases. You know it really really cool stuff and you know we had the they got the skeleton up. They prepared it. They put it on the table and and America ripper was preparing to film. You know it and You remember you. Remember hamlet the shakespearean story. Yeah i know about the young man holding the skull of his ancestor in his hand. Well yeah i was. I was i. Yeah yeah that hand in it. Yeah sleepiest the greatest demon any broadway shakespearean. There is over and over again so the had that stuck in my head and i was still at that point. I hadn't seen the dna results. I hadn't seen the skeleton height. I hadn't seen the teeth the dental casts that we're fault. Yeah i haven't seen any of that stuff. So i was still thinking. Okay all this this whole production crew this whole film crew there all right telling me this was homes. Let's move on so i want. I snuck down in their early. And and Put the skull in my hand and talk to him you know looking into the is. Wow the most evil man in american history here and Well the lights went on and the anthr- apologists were quite upset. That i'd done that and they were worried that i had contaminated the skull. Now with my with my Sweat for dna and all those things and so they got the. They got the king's college in london. Who who history had decided was the greatest in the world and they wanted them to do the dna testing analysis which cost them a lot. more money. and i've my hats off to them. They were doing the best they could. This was an important american historical event. And you know this was me claiming that this man had not been executed that he had substituted in an innocent his place. He had watched from behind the tree as they buried it. At this place we exhumed and then he'd gone out and murdered other people and created what the book saul said was the homes curse afterwards. Anyone involved in his arrest. His trial is Prosecution his The pri the prison sentence and then the execution that had irritated either found death or terrible misfortune later. And that's what eric larsen wrote about in the devil in the white city that that leonardo dicaprio and scorsese wanted to make a movie out. They walked away from it. I still don't know why but anyway the So the the king's college got on speakerphone for everybody in the room. And there's cameras going into rectors yelling and amera olsen. I are right there with our face in it. And the anthropologist or taken instructions and they're all dressed up like nasa you know astronauts and Yeah and The king's college gets on says you know that we've got to avoid any touch that Budget had on the skull and they had them use. These diamond held head drill bits and they took sections of the body from around the bone. The ultimate good shape But they wanted this porous pocket at the back of the skull which was famous for the quality of the dna at rendered. So i you know. We sat and watched them pull out that sample. You know drill into the skull and take this powder and then package it up and this is air mail special package and then they sent it to london and So you know. I was sitting there thinking okay. It's gonna come back match and the things over and we move on well. It came back and it didn't match it didn't match and I still haven't been given an answer about why more wasn't done except that. They they believe that the dental casts there were. I'm kinda jump here. I'll let you guys if you want to jump in on that as too because you know the history we didn't i didn't understand that last episode is explaining it well and I was disappointed to tell you the truth. I thought it was an amazing part of the story which was on the verge of breaking it wide open so yeah yes felt like it was so i ended to the to the watchers. And we didn't know all the behind things that you you you you knew but i still felt through watching it that we were left with. Nothing and keith agrees. The last episode was confusing. It was we like we didn't. We didn't feel like that was the right. You know graver the right person in that grace. We wanna know more well. And i think yeah i enjoy hearing you tell me that. 'cause that's you know that's what i thought and i'm you know co hosting the show and I'll tell you another scene. When when amaryllis and i i walked in before the film crews follow this story. You know we're together and she turns and punches me in the shoulder and she said that's not him. It's too short and well. Wow we're that come from and And it was it was it was. It wasn't even five feet tall and and you know the the research we've done on homes being arrested in boston being imprisoned philadelphia was all five five eight five nine five seven app. Something like that and When i asked the anthropologist about it they said well he must have been wearing a lift in his boots when they measured him when he was arrested. And i'm like what the police would measure a con An arrest Potential convict like that without checking to see what clothes or what artificial you know. He had no certainly not something. You'd want to Hang your hat on and So then we found we went out and found this report by dr talbot who said he had given homes a physical examination in the prison. Before the execution there was nothing. He measured him as five eight. There was nothing about lists in his boots or anything like that. So you know. I knew you know from that moment on. This skeleton wasn't tall enough to be homes Then they relied on the the dental casts that had been taken of of the mouth and the teeth that's still existed when we exhumed the body so the dna didn't match the skeletons too short but the dental casts were identical. They were actually the same. And you know the the and maybe for good reason but the scientists the producers the law enforcement crew. We had they all wanted to rely on those teeth and the dental cast photographs just but but having done that type of work at law. Before i knew that without that dental cast being verified as having come from homes while he was in the prison it didn't have much value could have been taken afterwards before the burial of the substituted. You know innocent and You know i. I kept pushing and pushing and pushing. I couldn't get anybody to agree with me on them and they still don't and it's that's an obsession of my part now but I still i would love to take a witness stand one day. Put my hand up and say the dna does natural. Show you the records. The skeletons too short here. I'll show you the bruise on my shoulder for manner and and the dental cash. You can't prove they were taking some homes and thing Those are things that wouldn't stand up in a court of law. Exactly and that's that's your expert area. We're gonna talk about all the rest of this. You were learning as you went along if we're talking about evidence proving this proving dot. That's where your expertise lies. So the when are they. Were not going to listen to that. You know like. I'm not just a descendant of his but i have so much experience in law and evidence and proof and this isn't this isn't meeting that criteria at all. Well you know you say that. Well and i would love for them to bring in another Criminal lawyer and had him contest my view on it. I would have been a great episode if you ask me right there. We could've gone back to the thing where they held the original trial of homes and done it right there but They didn't want to do that. So i mean really is their law. It's yours as well. Because that was giving you the avenue to continue to explore and the money you know because it gets as you said it gets expensive. But i think in. It would've been if it has them in so many ways that they weren't somebody wasn't seeing or something behind that we don't know about 'cause there's shows that are cut off and there's some kind of other issue you know Leaves you with a mystery. Another mystery like you need another one Well i you know these days when you watch what history runs they kinda liked that oak island stuff now and things like that so i don't i don't think we're ever going to be like that but It would've been what an when it adventure would have been to a proven that that body wasn't home and then tried to figure out the mystery and the and the conspiracy. And you know. You've you've got a situation kirby where they still have an answer. Why h h holmes before he was before he was allegedly executed bought two grades there who graves when and. I'm sure you remember this. When we dug down into that firstly we found an empty coffin. And right next door right next to it. Two feet deeper. We've down the concrete with the body in it. And i i was up on the top at the top of the grapes. Wa- circling scratching my head trying to figure out. Why is there an empty coffin. There what what what did he mean to have happened. Because of that extra grave and an empty coffin. What was he trying to high. What was he trying to fool. What was he who escaped. Yeah and and you know. They kept saying well he wanted someone to dig into that one. I you know so that They would think oh. The body was already taken and they wouldn't dig the other well. There was no headstone to determine which one was dug in. I you know that was a guess. And then and then you know when they kept saying well they used it to lower the body two feet lower on the other side into the and and then put the concrete on it. That's that we found. I said yeah but they could have done that from the top of the grave and he didn't have to buy two two grades. There was something mysterious. That happened there. I'm convinced 'cause that's the trying to brain. he had. Yeah like i mean. There's no doubt the man was a genius like or at least very intelligent. So yeah definitely plan behind that you'd have to think anyway. Hey the stories about the stories about his intelligence at the university of michigan. Medical dreer are astound. Yeah i mean yeah he was a doctor and like just the the design of that murder castle alone would make you think that this man you know intelligent. That's why you know kirby we've been I've got some hollywood interests that are Looking at the storyline. I put together. And i'm trying to get them to accept that the hotel you know that we've called a murder castle you know. And then it's that's kind of been locked into place by the devil in the white city. We've got we've got to start thinking that it more as a doctor frankenstein's laboratory instead of a murder. Sure there was. there were murders there. Were desk committed. But the man was investigating about the human body about the brain Some of the things he wrote about about chloroform anesthesia and even stem cell. Were still way ahead of their time. And i'm convinced that there were things going out on down in that basement that We still haven't Explored enough about. And i'm hoping to have them help me put together a show about that. That would be wonderful question. Chat room that said when they did the dna testing Where did they take the samples from what parts of the body. And then did they use. Just the teeth will. They took it from the back of the skull. There's a porous pocket at the back of the skull that they have to drill into with the diamond drill bit and it comes out the soft powder that they just. The scientists are just thrilled over for testing. Dna interesting We also have a question that says well. Someone in the chat room is saying. Still think he he most likely paid off a terminally. Ill guard to take his place. Somehow that would have provided the guard Family and allowed him to escape in the guard uniform. It's i've heard i've heard of before it's a good theory and i i would. I would tend to agree that something like that happen. I know Guys that before the execution he gave an interview to the hearst corporation the big publishing outfit and newspaper company and they paid him seventy five hundred dollars for this interview so he had plenty of money. I also i also know that his first life clar my great great grandmother made three visits to the prison and then back to chicago for him while he was in prison. I'm and i don't know. I don't have any record of and i'm convinced that was to go to banks so he had a lot of money in the prison and so buying a substitute guard like your chatroom listener. Suggested is a good idea and he and you take someone that intelligent and who has Bob and weave their entire creepy existence from the law and everything else and he had so much so many the the degree in law and everything he he had a different way of thinking that anybody was so intelligent and it was so scary. Any thought of how can i get out of this and he would come up with something that not the average person i could prison guard or even someone who you know police officers or anyone even had at that time he would have been beyond what they would have thought of. Just murderers don't think like we do so we go. Yeah they wouldn't do that. Oh yeah i think mazing there was a. You're exactly right. There was a youtube. The other day That came out on facebook. And had like seven seventy thousand viewers about this the smartest serial killers of all times and the i q levels that they had and i guess into was way up there and you know. They say there wasn't there wasn't such thing as an iq test in the eighteen ninety so we wouldn't have known what herman had but they're estimating that you know he's he was up in that level and i i certainly don't doubt it i the i tried to get the Producers to convince history that let's do an episode about the murder trial where he fires his lawyers researches tactics and then you know conduct the trial at least the portion of it by himself even crossing demining one of his wives ex wives. Oh i would that would have been. Can you know. One of my favorite movies is a few good men. Think about you know. I love it. How about a new title. One bad man you know and and then making them i would. I would have loved that. I would love. Yes in our chat room. They're saying he was always ten steps of headed ahead of people. Yeah and you know what. That's it's not fair. it's not fair to hold it against law enforcement and the people that were trying to run him down because he was so far out ahead as far as having already conducted those things and plan to head to catch up with a brain like that would have been very difficult. I agree i the whole thing and the and the time that it was sitting when you're talking about that. They didn't even have the technique to to capture somebody. That could be ten steps as she says ahead of what anyone else would be thinking they they would just be catching on. Maybe the first thing and he'd be already implementing the seventh she. He knew he could he had and they set and he was a you know unfortunately wonderful criminal you know. Yeah yeah. I that last episode. If if they would've let me run with it as far as the evidence what could have happened at the execution that day the scaffolding how the burial might have been you know concocted how it could have foolishly just hidden the true facts of all all history. I think it would have been a great episode. And i. I was real. I was really disappointed. They didn't wanna give me a shot at that. But like i said they were the direct evidence that he was jack the ripper but i always do explain that the jack the ripper is a great story part of the story to run them but the real story here is proving that it wasn't him in that grave we exist where we're so many television shows now are about you know some author reading an old newspaper article seeing the picture you know from one hundred years old and trying to come up with what that picture means on the screen. We actually dug grave up. We actually you know recovered direct evidence of identity. And i think that's quite unusual on tv. These days i agree What what do you feel that. What did on morillas philip end of it. All did she feel like they've done everything they could do or would you. You might not be something you can talk about. 'cause that turn what she thinks but i was just wondering where she fell on this spectrum of because she's she she portrayed and she was herself throughout this show of evidence primary. You know what they're trained and whatever you think or might believe or concoction whatever she. She was about evidence right. That's the primary. Well she he. She was unbe camp that the teeth were perfect. And that i d the remains. And i can see how without my obsession without my family connection. That could be enough especially if you were some the wanted to move on to another part of your career another movie another show those things so i didn't i didn't really get into that but i she was off on the tv camp And but i was never allowed to sit down with the whole crew and explain to them. Listen that those. Tv dental cats are perfect are but that's for a reason why they're perfect. They shouldn't be perfect it should. It should have problems. it was eighteen ninety six. And we're talking about. We're talking about something that looks like it's made for tv to to match against this jar. We dug up. And i said let's go see where this came from if this was if we can prove that it was taken from homes while he was living or not if we can prove that it was taken from homes while he was living or not. I agree with all of you. The dna doesn't count and was it didn't it didn't match because there were some air in the dna. There were some i. I'm not an expert on dna. Sheila but My father's in mind match perfectly. all right Are direct ancestor. I thought from all my research on forensic science was that that should have out a dead match and Did it didn't so. I still haven't been given an answer. Other than one hundred and thirty years old or one hundred and twenty five years old and there were problems in the dna that forced it forced scientists to be unable to match perfectly. That's the answer i got. I agree we have someone in the chat room saying they. I have recently found out through my research of my family tree that i'm related to him as well. He is a very intriguing man. His street dropped the ball with this. Well it's it's Most of my Family still can't understand. Why why i wrote the book and did the show when obviously it's not like an ancestor to be proud of but It's it's i always look at it. Kirby like i didn't choose to be born into this family line. I'm proud of my mom and dad. I'm proud of my grandfather. They were. They were both Fought in the war. They both that teran's in the in the navy My grandfather ran the pacific gas and electric plan in california moro bay and they were. Neither one of them was ever arrested for Jaywalking let alone murder. So you know there. There's good men and it and it's something that i would think society would wanna use here. We have you know the the the perhaps the most evil man that ever lived A serial murderer Dr frankenstein type. A pathological liar of the extreme Whose family line wasn't that way at all. And you know what you would think psychology psychiatry and maybe physiology would wanna use that evidence. Yeah you know one more thing it's just ever every angle has kind of led us down and left us left us with an untold story as far as because reading your book the feeling is i get you just to find out. You're related to this person. It's so dramatic to me because and the person in the chat room as well that you're related to them and they've done such heinous things and you are person especially you. You were person by by the law and holds a lot to establish certain standards. So yeah you know it. It must have left you with this uneasy. Feeling like m. is is he part i know he's part of the dna but is he. Is he part of me in my mindset in the i don't really is but it had to leave you on easy at some point right. Oh yeah oh yeah. There's and i'm trying to get hollywood to be interested in that part of it too that i knew before i was Forty in learned The terrible secret. i knew there was. I wasn't a criminal. But i had Idiosyncrasies maybe that we all do. I don't know but i had these things i and my character i had to struggle with To to remain friends with the due to do the right thing to make the right choice about issues and win. The speaker came out. Sheila the answers were were pretty easy. All of that. I mean i mean here was the answer. this is why i was different than meets Before or any of those things and I tried to write that in the book. I tried to include that in blastings. Well thank you And integrate book. I've read it like three times. Don't even even talk to me about that Oh you know i. Every time i pick up something new. That intrigues me about it. All the way along it's great. It's great to for being a first time author. I mean your intelligence shows but your passion for wanting to know the answer. Because it's this is you. Were talking about you. Want to know it and the darkness that you kinda went through just finding out that. That's the person you related to wondering. And i know you can't be like that but you had to wonder could could be something i could do or i make it makes you a little crazy. You're exactly right and My father and i sat down and Shared a beer and discussed how that knowledge all of a sudden change. The way we looked at things and Not how we live like but how we looked at things right but tell you the truth and made us both a little proud about. That hadn't been the way we'd gone when if you go back in history kirby kirby criminals who have Ancestors that go the wrong way too. Oh yeah definitely so. That's yeah that's that that's she'll you're right. I definitely went through that stage. And i tried to write about it. Bloodstains and remember bloodstains is fiction based on a true story because there there were gaps in that story which i created. You know from a theory or concept. And i've always believed that when an author does that it's not nonfiction it's not and But too many authors these days the books you read they all wanna call things non fiction which they've made up and it And you know. I didn't want to do that with blood so i so i called it fiction based on a true story which you know he was my great grandfather. Yeah what was the feeling you had when you found that out. What was your initial. I mean that family did or had to be a moment and there were some things he left for. Only you that you took a long time to go through right. well you could see and My grandmother was Thinker har- a deep thinker. And i was watching. You know i had this all. I was fascinated the institute. My grandfather told us that it was true what she had found and that he had tried to keep it from for our own benefits and that obviously it hadn't worked but you i was watching to tell you the truth. Sheila i was watching. And i think maybe all your women in the chat room will understand this. He hadn't told her the truth when they gotten married. I would imagine back in those days. Had he done so she wouldn't have married him. Yeah i agree family secrets you know. Other people have family secrets. That are much more Salacious maybe not murderous find out your your grandfather. Was you know work the women or whatever you know because it was a different time if you go back a little weight they had a wife and they had another woman and this and that. But we're talking about murder and that did you. Did you ever feel any connection to him at all. Just in the how intelligent you are 'cause that was a very intelligent man beyond what they could even understand in the average since the people that were trying to find him or work with it or solve anything out stepped in every way. And i feel like you. You have that intelligence with your courtroom part. And i'm i'm blessed and you're blessed it was never put towards something evil because it's so you're very intelligent man. You're you speak what you know. So did you ever feel a point. When if if it was different circumstances you would have been there if it had been different the way you were raised you know. Sometimes serial killers have connections to anything. Their parents were perfect. Their life was perfect. There's nothing to tell you that would have been one. And then you have someone like you're a great great grandfather. You feel like it could have been passed down somewhere. 'cause there's a nate sense just want to take someone's life with the thrill but also he. He was doing something scientific. It was creepy. Little of up. Oh no. I see what you mean. And there's obviously you know their choices that are made by the the wrong people have to do with the circumstance. They're living in their life and how they were brought up their mother their father their family. And all those things so you that choice. I don't i don't really know how he was brought up there are there are stories about the mother and the father that i don't find very i don't find verifiable they're pretty much legends of books and But i would guess. I've been to the house. He grew up in gilman in new hampshire. It still there. Actually they're remodeling now to make some type of museum or something and you know i. I was in the room that he taught elementary school. In there You know this is a man who murdered children To you know when he was trying to escape the authorities through through mid western america into canada and He was full of i. Guess anything i. The we had a coupla book. Signings i did. There was Professor from law school that came up and said that there had still been stories about homes at the law. School that He would come to. He wouldn't be class and he would come the day of the test and pass the test so he had been. I didn't now. That's for sure. I you know i had to study my ass off to pass that law school test. So that's that wasn't the same at all we. Keith is asking And have you looked at his birth chart yet. I don't really know about that I don't know enough about birth chart. I don't think i have what's keeps trying to get keith. We need a little more information. I'm i'm assuming his birthday. And how everything lined up if you're talking about You can send your your birthday in time. You were born and everything to some somebody and they can map out a full birth chart about you. Oh that's what. I'm thinking so keith. Let us know he's in the chat room. 'cause you can do that you could take. You could take it when if you knew. When he was born the birth date and the time at show would be everything and they can give you sort of a a reading on that person because it makes a difference. That's what i'm thinking that he hasn't almanac yet so well. I can tell you this. I'm not aware of any other family member that committed murder Well his was astronomical. Here is crazy Keep saying the planet in your chart can give hints and clues about the type of person you're meant to be and your life path. You wouldn't even know his his birthday and his time of birth time of birth may does make a difference and send it to somebody who can do that. I know people who can do that. If you if you can find those things out someone can do chart for H home just to tell you it tells you a little bit more about your personality trait and that kind of thing but he seems like a sneaky sneaky guy keegan all that could say one thing but he he was living a whole nother life. Something i don't know where i don't know where that comes from the person nine and passed on is crazy. You know because you could see it Lineage wise in some and others like yours. None of it. That's why imagine. Sheila had he been a louis per store type had he used his intelligence and education and yeah factory factory in chicago to in bent a drug. That saved lives instead We you know. I didn't on another. I'd be on a different show tonight. And yeah exclaiming how proud. I was of my brilliant scientific grandfather who saved thousands of lives touring a disease. Exactly keep his saying. If you can get that info for him he can have that Joni run run a you rent it for you kind of the whole life path and chart but the problem might be you would have his birthday but you might not have the time and may not make a difference but when i had my identity made a difference because everybody there's a lot of people could be born a certain date but it makes a difference the time as europe Yeah yeah that's what. I thought that was way too long ago to figure out where and what about that. Part of the information eighteen sixty one were eighteen. Sixty one and it was crazy so so kids will probably contact you and see you know you can figure out any more information that he needs to get that done but that would be interesting to see his chart chart just see what was in the for hand in the play in the world the way it was set up. I feel like he could have manipulated. Anything you oh. This is what he was. This is what it should be. He's not a should be one izzy. He's a off the charts thing. He's not yeah. He's saying time helps date location time. If he's got the date and location that would be that would get him very close to information. You would want so if you know where where and win. That's pretty good. Well i'll tell you what i'll run. I'll try running it down. Okay interesting. I never of doing that though. My brain doesn't think quite like that. Because i don't do astronomical charts. Have you ever had anybody. Did you ever have anybody with the psychic gift or no whatever came into this and in that in that realm or did or did they kind of question commute on american ripper. Yeah four to you. And i know american river. They didn't know. I don't i haven't I've i've some facebook friends that are psychics but As far as you know having a reading or something like that. I have never done that. It might be interesting to try. Yeah i think it would be. I think it would be interesting. So where are you now are left with. You have a lot of answers and almost as many questions. Oh you know we have a an interesting one going on right now the You know. I let i let everyone in the in the production and the organization and then in in the uk know where. I tested that dear boss. Famous jack the ripper letter with the homes correspondence and this one just came back to me the other day. The bbc has asked me for the copies of the letters that we used in that analysis. And i'm hoping they're going to ask the scotland yard to Run the test to see if it comes out the same numbers we received you know from the university of buffalo and That to me is i. I've been waiting for that to happen for years and now it finally has which means someone. There was finally interested enough to run it down. They see how accurate it can be and that also it could prove something Direct direct evidence not another piece of hearsay and So i'm gonna get an hold and in touch with them. I'm going to submit the copies of the letters we used and then step back and wait however long it takes to see what they come up with. They've they if they find out that it was a complete failure. Well i'll i'll get up on your show. She'll and admit it if it's A copy of what we received the first time well then. The world has to start taking a harder. Look at what we determined. I agree. I think that the f. to me. It seems like it's so clear. But you want this all this baseline evidence of you're talking about really proving something as you know. I'm not a lawyer but as you know you have to have that you have to have some evidence work and you came so far with it and then they just dropped. You left me hanging. I still not with that Reason the reason for that sheila was. If you remember jack the ripper. And i'm sure you have some Chatroom listeners that do the nearby ladder didn't fit the other murders the five famous river. Murders the cannon article five nichols chapman stride. Eddoes and mary kelly and they had written it off. I think you'll remember as a journalist head coach because If you took the evidence in that letter and tried to apply to the other five murders. That didn't work. They all wanted to go with the from hell letter instead but the from hell letter. The dear boss letter don't match. They're not the same author show when we came up with that proves that we had a killer who wrote dear boss and probably mar murdered catherine meadows the one with the year and i. I had to try to explain to everyone. This meant that there wasn't ever a killer of five in london. To be called jack the ripper at least one copycat and i'll tell you a funny a funny inside story we were. We were filming in london and The film crew was down in the smoke pit. The firepit and i was up at the bar. And these two gentlemen in suits approach me at the bar and they open their suit showed me this emblem on their belt and told me that they were representatives. So scotland yard and that they been scotland yard have been watching the production of the american river. They were interested. They didn't agree with me that it had been An american doctor but they did agree that there had been at least one copy cat involved. And i'm convinced sheila that these same guys are group. They're going to run those those handwriting tests with probably another outfit in the uk with another computer program to do that. That scotland yard uses for prosecutions and. I'm hoping they're open about it when they find out. But it's it's a direct match. I mean if you look at it and you pull up my ted talk. It's a ted ex and hoover about jack the rippers handwriting. If you pull it up off tedtalk You'll see it with your naked eye. The handwriting saying you can see but you know that's not enough for a conviction certainly not enough to prove jack the ripper and When they re run the tests. I'm just hoping they'll have the courage to tell me. They found the same. And then come out and tell the world that you know this this thing we've been trying to prove for all these years A hundred and thirty three years or whatever it is now that there was a reason has never been proven because it was impossible to prove that it just leaves you. Did you go into this. Expecting to have a lot of answers and every answer led to another question. That's how my brain feels like okay. We've got this. So now. I need to know that i got this and now i need to know that and it so ended so unfinished. And it's someone who knows they were related to this person. You just left this empty. I need. I need more answers. And they as the watcher of you're a reader of your books and everything. I still feel so an un ended all of it. I i wanna know more. I will always want no more. So you've described it perfectly. That's why we were digging the grave of it every day. We found something new that needed another answer that we never got to the end of of being alison. And we still haven't. And but i think that's i think that's the way it is and it's I had a great opportunity. You know with history and Probably the best chance. I was ever going to get a great shot. I you know. I'm very happy and proud of the work. They've put together. Except you know that that that that ending but the the work they did earlier was fantastic. You know every show. I go on. Someone tells me they thought the show was great And there was a chance there had they jumped on. You know on board with both feet. We could have had an incredible second season. That would have set records. I think i agree with you. I feel that I hope and i'm feeling that bbc's going to help help you with that. You can go a little farther into it because we're left with you and everyone who watched is less still not knowing enough. We have some information but we don't know enough and it has to be more frustrating for you than anyone. Because you've you've thought this for so long trying to get these answers and you got a lot of answers you did. And it was so intriguing through all of it and then all of us were left with way. Well we're not done but we're not done. I'm not done with information. I want to know and you're not done with the story that needs to be told the truth. That's that's the. That's what we want will. The bbc has an outfit called the bbc productions now and hopefully you know when they come back with the same analysis of the handwriting. They'll want to jump in and put something together but You know we'll see and i and me being the relation of the one. I think they'll probably wanna use me on it. I hope so. I enjoy London and Being in the uk is a lotta fun. we had a great time over there and I would really like to see something as sophisticated as the bbc. Put the true story of jack the ripper together for the whole world to see you know there are a lotta people around the world who know what the mystery jack the ripper is and for that show to be splashed across the entire earth would be you've got to believe would be something they'd wanna do. I would think so drink. You know all the all that ever stand in the way is money Just a little. Bit jeff money. We're money yeah but it would create so many listeners. So many people you know tuning in to find out more because we were left on ended that i think it would be really really smart of them to continue it. Whoever decides to pick it up continue on and have the backing to really do the rest of the testing and give us some answers. 'cause whether whether like you said whether you are or you aren't is not a big question but the finishing it off so so you know and we know and have a finality to it. I don't think they'll ever be totally finale to it. Because that man was so sneaky he was fat and needs to be continued in. the truth. Needs to come out. That's where we lay right now. We don't have the entire truth. We have marshall information. Don't have thank you for that. From jack the ripper supposedly no they. You know what we actually tested that on on the show The shawl yeah that does yeah At least i think. I think addict i don't if there was a there was a fellow that owned the shawl of catherine. Does i remember and got to be a close. I don't remember if i actually touched it or not. It was in like a frame but I think i'm. I'm not sure i don't remember whether we tested the dna. Maybe it was the blood test instead and I think they have issues. The blood on it yeah. I don't know how well preserved they might not be able to get dna off that. So but i just. It just occurred to me that way. They've they've got that don't they. But i think that was the blood of the victim. I don't think that was necessarily jack. Okay yeah i i suppose there's really no way and be sure no no. And and that's that's sheila why i'm a little bit hesitant about the bbc jumping in because if they jump in if they proved dear boss was written by the author who murdered catherine meadows. And not the others. They pretty much have to come out and admit a country of millions and millions and millions that for over a hundred years. Every law enforcement agency in that country has been dead wrong. Yeah that's that's not something they wanna do. They wanna know over bar on these I know it's true. They wanna go so far but then again they don't wanna call anybody out for being wrong. It has that stipulation in there that the hold you back every time. I just wanna know the whole truth. It doesn't matter if someone made a mistake. People make mistakes doesn't matter if you've followed the wrong clues or whatever i just wanna know all of it as a as a person of interest i wanna know the truth i. I don't think that's too much ask. i don't wanna know at all and for you it. Would it would verify or not verified and you would be. You would be okay with it because you. You don't revolve around having to be related to them. You want to know though. I m yeah Like i said earlier. I didn't choose to be born to this family. But i tell you what the fact that it. Greatest true crime mystery ever is hanging there and possibly was caused by my relative And my training as a lawyer in science in forensics in trial work in evidence. I would like to show that it all came out and that it works in the end and how despite the fact that you know i could have just run away and hit. I decided to put it out there for everyone to see and we can move on to another mystery. Yeah i agree with that Qisas saying that's the thing with the planet over two hundred and two going into two hundred and twenty one. Truth is coming out now. Is the time to hit. We got twenty twenty one. We we need to have the true people if you're listening and you have any connections in any way that you can get to the bottom of all this because i feel like you have done all you can do now. You need help. You know what. I mean you you believe it. He's two oh two twenty twenty well no. He hated to it. I i read it correctly but he typed it wrong. Twenty twenty going into twenty twenty. One truth is coming out now. Is the time to hit it. So i i agree with that. People want to know. I think there's a lot of people wanna know. I bet there's a lot that don't like you were saying this entire group says thinks they already know what happened but i want. I just want to know what really happened whether it is or it isn't you can deal with that. You're a grown man who wants to know it. Yeah and i gotta tell you the i'm not worried about it actually being No discovered one day. Because sheila we the dear boss letter is there forever right now. Yeah he full want people wanna know the homes letters. I used to have the two letters analyzed and compare the handwriting okay. That's not there's not. Those are never going anywhere. Those will be around forever and the technology will continue to improve and someone will have the courage to step up and say you know what this this works. this is right. And the sto- the theory the story. We had that that one hundred books were written about that. Fifty movies were made over was wrong. And this this jack the ripper. Five murder thing there was at least one copycat involved and we. We probably had an american here in a london hotel room who was reading. Every newspaper headline we had about the first two terrible murders were a woman's neck sliced or stomach was open. Wider nichols and chapman. Who because of what he did back in the states was fascinated with his reading and decided to play along a little and wrote the dear boss letter which the two famous linguists english was. Upset was an american writing. Beer boss and it compares with this serial killer who was alive at the same time and it's not that hard to story for one of these. Major corporations like the bbc. Sheila to put together the right way past me i. I wouldn't think so it wouldn't be it wouldn't be because you have so much evidence already. There's just some left to do. There's some already been proven so let's continue on with that. Why didn't i don't understand and let me and in many listeners in watchers watchers just hanging like ending it with what i thought. Oh yeah next season no. There's no next season what i asked for you. That being your your family and your life that that is You know much much. More than i feel. But i wanted to know for you. I wanna know for everyone. I want to know. I just need more answers and they left me with more questions. I hate that story I'm i'm. I'm quite welcomed for the bbc to call me back and say yeah we re we. We ran the test and it's not right. It's not him move on by. You know you know. And i'll i'll let you guys you and turbie no and and i'll come on your show and be honest about it to your listeners. I know you would be i try. I trust you. And i trust what you've done watching it all the way everything along the way and how you feel about this and you wouldn't you wouldn't mind it not being him but you would like to know what you're you're just left hanging in the wind right now. You don't have anything verify one way or the other but you know it you kind of already know it. You know what i mean. We know we know things. Just an and the dna verified. He was so smart for for that person to have had a you know teeth. That looked like him is not that we think now way back then. Someone couldn't do that but they could. He have done that he is on this time. Imagine how he could bait and switch everybody now. Even now you know and I've got a a team of helpers That you're with me on each piece of evidence i've got a friend but that's a whole who works in dentistry. Who was the first. They came out and told me those teeth. Those dental casts were taken from cadaver. They could they're impossible to have been from living man and you know those are the things that like you said. Everything we discovered led to another ten questions down the lion and it's It's almost like homes was planning to turn out that way. She i and it's unfortunate that We didn't but you know. I gotta tell you we've been a little bit negative and i wanna i wanna leave your show though by explaining all your listeners. And you and kirby. That i had a great time working with history and the production out that working making american ripper they treated me like a king The i got eight well for the show I had an assistant. Took care of every little thing i needed. You know in each in each scene each set Help with all the you know the inconveniences that you have on a show like that especially when you've never done it before and they're complete amateur and they treated me like a gang and i gotta tell you i miss. They used to When we fly from airport to airport and and It was just. It was amazing Event to be a part of and it you know all the professionals. We had that were required to put the show together. We're fun to observe and see how good they are at their job. They they all were from new york. And and that's what they did for a living and I enjoy just sitting Sometimes sitting back watching them film amaryllis letting her doing and then mead you sit back with a cup of coffee watching how good she was and how good they were directing her. And how you know when you go back and see this show. Now the shows were were. She's involved with one of our expertise. She was really really good. I agree with you. I mean. I didn't get to see anything behind the scenes but both of you came off you. They made you be the one who was surprised about some of the things that came out with all that worked out very well but sh- she was just so mazing to watch what you she did. Because we've watched so many shows like you saying scully and and a tv show. I'm like that's really cool. But it was all written for her. You know she you got to see how her mind thing which is beyond the average. She's been trained. She knew what she was doing. She would point out things. I like the board where you put everything up like. We've we've seen other people with murder boards and things like that but it helps you draw connection from one thing to another and start to piece it all together like a puzzle so beautiful. Yeah she was. She was a fun to work with. And i just she'd be working. And i just put my arms across martin's together and have that little look on my face like i'm puzzling. Over a piece of evidence for her. That was my role in the scene. Yeah it was. They did a good job. The only i agree with you i. I'm so glad they treated everybody. Well i and i thought they would. But i feel less an ended. That's the only problem. I had with it because this show all the way along. Kept me intrigued wanting to know more and but ended and i wanted to know more i went. Oh so likes you know. That's the feeling and you felt. That is well person who didn't get all the answers they wanted but again. That is a lot of money and a lot of time. But i felt like everybody was so intrigued with it. I don't understand it as well. You don't why didn't they continue to to finish it. 'cause unattended unfinished and left with more questions than answers. I hate that every so you feel. The bbc may pick up on it from here. That's what we're hoping right along with this. I'm hoping they will. I don't and i'm hoping they let me know what they find. They do and if if they find something that you know important critical to their. Let's face it. That's probably the biggest story in the uk has been for one hundred years and they're whether they're willing to grant wide open with this that it was an american i. I don't know how that works with them. How where they go with that. So we'll see. Yeah i i was just looking at the chat room that we someone said. This has been a another incredible show. I agree with them. I think it's an incredible show. It's always incredible when you're on there's so many more people that don't don't know how this played out how it happened. How it ended how much more we need to know. So that's what we're trying to let all of our listeners. Know why checking with you and if you have not read the book bloodstain listen here. You lost out heaps. 'cause that's a great book and you can still buy it it's wonderful. I'm hoping you're going to get more information and more for me to know. That's what i always. I'm i'm hanging my hat on that. That bbc pick this up and say we need to know more because they're involved if you think. He traveled from here from america to england and back and forth there involved as well so they wanna know more. Are they gonna wanna know the whole truth. Are they gonna show at all. That's where we're hoping that's what you're hoping right to dig in a little deeper. Not that much more. So there's little or no. And then i'm interested in seeing about someone that hollywood understanding how how big the story that could be because you know we have all these shows. I get to watch the show. I like now. Have you watched prodigal son at all. Yes oh my gosh. Don't even talk to me when that on. That's how i am. I know my husband will say that my next shut up none. Oh i agree. I love that show. It's it's amazing my favorite show ever even more well x-files well. I loved that. I used to love dexter before they ruined it at the end. But yeah i agree with you there too i i love the route of stuff or something and they made it a little hokey but up until that point it was it was incredible. It really i agree with you long. Yeah i keep telling these guys. Hey you got dexter. You got product of sun us. You've got bloodstains. Has this background character. That's times a hundred and the ones they have used that h h holmes character in the story and do another type like that and you can run and run with it. And we'll see i. I don't know how they how they think they Talking someone into making a movie on finding out She always the hardest hardest thing in the well. Well we have about eight minutes last. And if there's anything any shout to wanna make any you know. I know with all this time of shut. Shut down but anything you want to tell everybody to look for or you're selling org where you're gonna be. This is this is your time to talk about that a little bit and then if there's minutes left to finish it out no i don't i don't As a matter of fact. I'm all out of print copies. You can still buy the book at amazon kindle but We sold out of the print. Copies and I decided to let it sit for a while and but as far as I i wasn't never contacted by history to say. Hey we made a mistake. Let's start it up again with american ripa. They never did that. And and then. Now i'm like i haven't some interest involved in using the story line that i put together as far as making a bigger story about it but more of a prodigal son type so i'm i'm working i'm working on that right now and and it's it's a difficult process. It's i'm not. I don't have any experience in writing that type of story you know a script So it's one more thing she'll have to try for the first time in my life and it's Those those things in this business are almost impossible. But i'm gonna give it a shot. I'm going to give it a shot. I'll i'll let you know how it goes. But that's that's about it and as far as like I know one day that your listeners will see that with that. Dna not matching. The truth will come out one day. It's just a matter of someone explaining to the powers that be that those dental gas were falsified. And when they see that. That's the logical release. I think they'll jump right into the fact that we probably. Oh we probably dug up. Maybe the biggest true crime mystery in american history and we need to go back and find out how the execution went how that variable wint what homes as plans were and then what he did after he was out in the world with the entire planet thinking him long dead and gone. I think you've got an incredible story. That i hope someone wants to tell and helped me Show i agree. Because he was it so far ahead of his time and his mind was be on. What even law enforcement or anyone else at that time could stand so he just bait and switch the entire time. That's what he did. It was just like he can think faster he could move faster. You could do. Faster made money so much money at that time and he can work at anything. There's nothing beyond what he could have done. At that time he might have been caught now and still. I have a little reservation about thinking that because he was pretty slick it would have picked up and know what to do where to go and how to cover. It's incredible incredible. Think of what. He did not in the hideous way but just his mind. How like you were saying if you put it towards good. What he could accomplished is incredible. Amazing all the way over here. Tell y'all leave you with A little A little side story about homes at his trial. When you know he was the stories go on and on about he was a terrible abuser of women and at many ex wives and Those that he just simply abused but realistic. Maybe unfortunately now. I don't even know the word to use it. But these women all thought him as different even when they knew what he really was and there was one newspaper article about the final day of his murder trial he'd been found guilty by the jury and convicted convicted sentenced to be hung by the neck until dead by the judge and he had been the bailiffs of said come over shackled him up and we're leading him off and the report or described how the six women in the second row stood and we're crying as he was led off to be executed and to me. That's always been a remarkable aspect of what he was and how he affected the people around him. Yeah that that pretty much sums it up people. He could out think anybody and he could. He could Charm almost anyone because you think all the people involved in this had no idea. And i think there was. There was the one woman she kinda knew a lot of it. But how this happens with a lot of serial killers kind of things that they have somebody that they're very close to that knows a lot but they're so intrigued with them or i don't know how that works because i'd be you you murder somebody No but that doesn't work that way. They're they've been conditioned by them and almost trained in a way to love them no matter what. And that's scary to me because then all those secrets are hidden. And you have somebody else working with you. And he did that all along the way used and worked people in a way that we'll we can't stand because we would. We have a conscious and the soul that would say no we. I hope but you'd never know right. No and i. I i wish i had you alongside me sometime to convince these people about what he was instead of just this they wanna just call him this terrible serial killer but you know the part about how he could turn a switch on and then charm someone into his angle. I still find amazing. It's like when they all wanna use that physical examination. I told you about of of homes in the prison by the doctor and as evidence about what really happened and i to them there was no one. He couldn't talk into his side of what was needed and and So that I'm glad you. I'm glad you brought it up that way she'll and kirby it's been a pleasure being on ro talk radio with you guys tonight. I always enjoy coming on. Always i always look at two hours. And i'm thinking that's too long. I don't wanna go two hours. And then i made my time flew by don. Had a great time. We had a wonderful time. We enjoy always having you on always remember if anything new comes out that you want to promote anything happens it changes. Let us know here on talk radio. We're here for you. I'm one of your biggest fans. And i know kirby is as well and thank you. Everyone all to our listeners. And everybody in the chat room for listening tonight. It was another amazing show with jeff budget. more questions than answers. But that's how it works in these mysteries and the haunted creepy things that are happening so hopefully i'm rooting for you. I want some answer. I don't have enough. You don't have enough. And i want more and i think all the listeners want more so thank you so much for agreeing to be our guest. We always enjoy having you on. Your book is amazing if you have not read it. You're missing out people. 'cause bloodstains is great. I can't imagine you writing anything better. But you might. There might be a second act this.

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"Why you like him. This is no good adam. Curry john's devora thursday august twenty second nineteen. This is your award-winning. Keep our nation media assassination episode episode eleven sixty six. This is no agenda now available in streaming stereo broadcasting live from the opportunities thirty three in austin texas capital throwing star stating the morning everybody. I'm at occurring from northern silicon valley where it's surprisingly balmy today. I'm john deborrah balmy balmy now. <hes> it's not supposed to be balmy. Hey there that's probably just a cloud of steaming poop could be and will you. Please stop tweeting that we've been i do you keep tweeting. Send people tend the homeless to austin. I'm doing him a favor. No steve austin to face no in his opening. It's arms. Why are you such grumpy big us reopening its arms to them to the poor homeless and they you know and they welcome so i. I'm just trying to get the word out. We do not want your homeless and by the way they come here and you bake on the street. You know hey there's a glimmer of hope in austin if a slight glimmer of hope okay <hes> if you live in texas and you're anywhere but austin someone says bay what you from you say i'm from texas. They wear in texas. You say austin in texas. It's exactly what they say but i think the liberal austin austin local government mayor the city council. I think that they're just not as when we say liberal. They're not like california liberals that they understand. Maybe not maybe it's not even them. Maybe it's the people of austin they're revolting against against what's going on here. Is you recall several weeks ago. The council voted unanimously. I believe to remove all city ordinances as of camping where except for of course in front of city hall or the capitol building but you can pretty much camp anywhere else not in a city city park but anywhere else you want to on the media and on the right side of the road you can do whatever you want. You can panhandle in front of bus bus. Stop school school grounds anywhere anywhere you want and that was manned freedom. Actually that was fifty days ago longer than i thought but now l. things have changed two months after voting to allow sitting lying in camping in public places city leaders are tweaking the rules. No one wants anybody anybody camping anywhere in our city today mayor steve adler and council members out of six page proposal aimed to solve problems of people experiencing homelessness in the city. I've lived in austin my whole life and my beautiful city is a mess in heat from ulan is one. That's it's funny. You say that i heard this second time. I played it and does sound like her doesn't it but no it's not my whole life and my beautiful city is is a mess in a hate kim. Bouncer mu-lin is one of hundreds of outspoken austin knight's asking council to change the sit like camp ordinance. She says it's caused does the public safety risk and health hazard whereas it that that people should should not be camping in sitting in line in the report mayor adler answers those questions proposing the increased restrictions on people who camp adjacent to roadways or medians on sidewalks near creeks or in front of the arch. He also suggests a renewed focus on creating new housing options but says the changes won't be possible without community input and support. Are we really ready to do it. It takes to actually solve list problem. The this guy gets my goat. You know all the evers. Are we all ready to solve the problem do we. How can we come together. The fuck you adler go do something oh disguise so annoying the can we all come to get your supposed to lead dips. It won't be possible without community input and support. Are we really ready to do what it takes to actually solve this problem rather rather than just chasing it around the city and hiding it and the next couple of weeks councils expecting more concrete proposals on changing this ordinance also also tomorrow morning at ten o'clock. There will be a public townhall right here at the austin convention center. It is open to the public. It's your chance to ask a city leaders. There's questions directly about this homeless issue so i look at this six page proposal in they're clueless the outline propose principal enjoy. What is this you playing in the background. What are you hearing hearing anything. I'll must be on my machine gene. I'm not playing any oh no. Do we need to stop tape or you okay. I'm good thought it was just playing a little bad for some reason again buddy. It's the morning zoo here. Let me hit a little little drama. Bid their proposed principles levels and goals pros community agreement direction our community needs multiple housing types and services for individuals experiencing homelessness next bullet point. We know what works yeah. I call bullshit that had no clue what works oh here it is new programs expansions and increase housing capacity on the horizon isan possible places from among which to increase restrictions on camping seating and lying ordinance standards interpretations and applications rules regarding running camping where it occurs as we build up more housing and services non policing tools to encourage people to go to better and safer places this whole six page document has nothing about mental health nothing about <hes> substance abuse or addiction until the very very very very bottom under those non policing twos help people get assistance for to the bullet point one so so bring centre no mental health assistance shelter slash bridge home navigation center and community court and everything else is about about appropriating apartment buildings or old hotels to turn into affordable housing this is this is not going to to work your solution well sheer well. There is one. I talked about this that there's one solution that seems to be working with the community. I village september ninth. I'm going to go over there going to see what they're doing and i shall report back and maybe i'll do an an interview with the <hes> with the c._e._o. Who's running. This was recently featured in people magazine's gotten a lot of attention as something something that seems to be working but tease dave nothing here just nothing. We've got a new idea here in san francisco yeah no no no not shipping them to austin besides that that's a standing standing offer g things no. We're just redefine everybody oh yet. I read something about this. Yeah what's he got money. Read the reason but i don't have any clothes but according to the san francisco chronicle from now on a convicted felon or or other offender or religion custody will be known as the former mur- incarcerated person. This is fantastic justice involved person or adjust and they prefer this a a returning resident. No they're really gonna use that returning returning resident of justice that would be even better just a returning resident my goodness oh my goodness. You've now delinquent. We know now called a young person with the justice system involvement or a young person impacted by the justice juvenile system a young person's a young person impacted by the juvenile justice system who who is experiencing homelessness and just happens to be gay and drug addicts are now are substance abusers which for a while wow will become become the oh actually they're changing that step that whole thing to a person with a history of substance abuse and somebody was quoted. One of the supervisors was we don't want people to be forever labeled for the worst things i've ever done so. We just giving labels. Give give a new label a new yellow star good work everybody. Thanks nuts yeah nice. It's hard to be nice. I i went to dinner with my jamaican friend <hes> and and then he spoke the gun jaw. He smokes the ganji but he don't eat the meat so he's a pesca -tarian. I'd ah is selected this cool restaurant on the east side. That's a butcher shop. He's like don't you remember allow crap yeah all right so he selected the corner the corner bar the j w marriott which is actually kinda nice location but you gotta go into town. I'm in town. I walked three blocks up three blocks over three blocks down near congress. It's gotten worse so yes in shaw since we've left i see congregations now. It used to be you know one or two homeless people. I'm sorry people experiencing homelessness <hes> in a doorway or on a park bench but now there's four or five live in them sitting together with lawn chairs no tense out yet and then you know just like in chicago or san francisco congress like the corner of second congress third congresses people just sleeping on the corner. I don't understand how people don't can just step over it. It bothers the crap out of me as you can. Tell the step over him. Yeah i find that very very challenging. I mean it's better than jumping on on him but you know you understand my dilemma. It's not cool cool anyway. Keep everybody updated. We were we are right in a lot out of things or you're ahead of the curve on a lot of things that have been taking place over the past couple of days sure well. It's always astonishing to me. How sometimes how far ahead of the curve we are but this one too far ahead of the curve is become problematic story of my life is this is absolutely absolutely true. I should be a billionaire but i'm always ten years too early with everything now which <hes> so i had the interview with talked to pathetic and who did he say would be on deck to be exposed in the epstein scandal do you recall recall bill gates baffling history of jeffrey epstein is how he was somehow able to surround himself with some of the world's most powerful people even after he pled guilty to soliciting an underage prostitutes and became a registered sex offender for example prince andrew was photograph coming out of epstein hat mansion in two thousand ten two two years after epstein served jail time and now we're learning microsoft founder bill gates not only spoke with epstein on more than one occasion about philanthropic spending but also also flew on epstein private plane from new york to palm beach though gates reportedly refuses to say why and we should note the plane was not the so-called lolita data express which allegedly was used to fly underage girls to epstein's private island but still critics wonder why one of the world's richest men would need to take philanthropic tropic advice from a convicted sex offender especially considering what melinda gates and the couple's foundation for young women around the world separately a former science science adviser for bill gates was named as one of three executors of jeffrey epstein five hundred seventy seven million dollar will forty nine year old boris the kollek says he was shocked to learn that epstein named him and says he has no intention of fulfilling the duties meantime attorney general bill bar gave an impromptu news conference prince today where he maintains that there were numerous irregularities in the death of jeffrey epstein barr says so far he has been given no reason to question the findings of the medical examiner who ruled epstein's death a suicide though barr says the investigation is moving forward there you go oh billy boy and this guilt by association again yes but if he went to the island i'd be more suspicious. All i'm saying is this is is what puts predicted. He said bill gates has a problem. He says he took known a known sex offender of girls with him to the girls charity he and belinda melinda <hes> maintain so yeah yeah after he was convicted of a sex crime yes two thousand thirteen. This happened all in two thousand thirteen twenty fourteen twenty fifteen. That's the part that's okay well. That is a problem yes now how how should be untouchable after that you shouldn't be dealing with him no of course not and it wasn't an wasn't on the lowly to express to the island <hes> but it was the palm a <hes> palm beach were gates also has a house and it was and it was on <hes> it was under the gulfstream not the seven twenty-seven anyway. It's just found that interesting now more interesting to me perhaps to you because this is a guy. I've met a couple times. I'm sure you have joey votto. You know have gear met him. I know joey yeah quite well. Well joey okay well good. He posted a public apology. He's now the director of the m._i._t. He media lab is always yeah. Yeah i mean i met him with <hes>. Who is the french guy who ran august say the french guy ran apple john louis yeah yeah i. I was raising money for pod. Show i remember we had a meeting with him and ito sat in on it. I had a meeting with john lee guests during the same era for friend of mine <hes> and some somebody else who does very well so. Why did you have a meeting with him for why gave the bunch of tips and stuff. He says you know he has zero money in that yesterday. I said no. I didn't know what i saw each like when i saw ito. I'm like i'm in the wrong room. This is this is not we're going to get money so he had posted a public apology all g for taking money from epstein for research projects at m._i._t. And for his personal funds to scientists have now how resigned or are publicly announced. They are leaving the media lab. They may not leave m._i._t. But want to leave the media lab because they find untenable so i. I think that they probably don't forget one of the one of the guys in the papers. The two thousand two thousand two thousand page age document two thousand plus pages is marvin mincy big shot at the media lab major major guy. I remember running into may not personally. The <hes> threw me out of a meeting. Do tell this we need to hear this t. Tell us first who marvin ski is and then marvin kicked out of the meeting eating one of the famous <hes> <hes> artificial intelligence from the eighties. I go round and maybe even to wanted before a every thirty years or so this artificial a didn't he didn't he kind of write the book on artificial intelligence wrote a book at least he published it well you got me on that so i got invited as a lark mark <hes> by will hearst to go into the media lab with the executives of the hearst corporation who are getting a a tour that you didn't have to sign a nondisclosure and i was like i and i were just wondering we're in the kind of just wondering we're just in the group does about one zero maybes eight nine people and clothing the c._e._o. And randy hearst and all these other people we're going through this thing and we get into take the dog and pony show that they put on which were i found out a number of interesting things. I used later in certain columns because i could. I didn't have to worry about nondisclosure being non-disclosed non-disclosed on any of it so we're going from meeting to meeting where these guys are just full of crap other showing us everything in the place got a great tour and <hes> the few ribald comments to make and so we go into this file meeting and there's pinski in there with <hes> the gaza had the time whose name is looting me volvo wired magazine and minsk. He sees me. He knows who i am and he says what's this guy doing here. What's divorce act doing in here pretty much at this guy and everybody's looking left and right and i'm sitting there with the stupidest milem face and they asked me to leave yeah s. O. will actually will left women. The two of us left. Oh that's cool at least it. It was shown that far from what i could tell and so he's left wing. It was at the end anyway so who cares and we went on did something boston somewhere and seles like that's the mouse guy. Well screw those guys guilty by association. I say there's a lot of that going around apparently with m._i._t. Media lab oh stop. What do you mean. There's a lot of that going around the m._i._t. Media lab guilty by association just your report you got joey. Okay quizzes the media lab. Kaminski's the media lab pay off a lot of media lab. Guy seems to me yeah well one of the theories. This may be an amazing polly theory. One of the one of the theories theories is that <hes> epstein dots people have man well epstein was in a trance humanism and all this weird stuff and implanting things things in high bridge. I heard he was really big into implanting. We've got it the first time heo wpro and that he you know because he also said he collected humans that he might have been supplying supplying humanoids for testing thing too many of these <hes> more esoteric research projects at m._i._t. And harvard that he was apparently funding. There's now also another interesting interesting connection. You probably read about or saw the video of prince andrew at epstein's house in manhattan with a young woman leaving. Did you know i didn't know who was the picture. Describe it again. So it's the epstein house in manhattan. It's the mansion mansion and the door opens up. A young woman walks out and then in the door opening waving her off is prince andrew of of the germans is over there in england and so that turns out to be the daughter of former australian prime minister paul keating just to make it a little worse. I can't remember wasn't paul keating problematic prime minister for australia. No i can't this is not even in the memory banks. It's possible well. She is now a sustainability campaigner who works for a show business talent agency see that represents among others sir paul mccartney and you too and she also previously partied with jews elaine maxwell and presented a fawning interview with the alleged procure calling her a philanthropist so that just makes it that much more juicy juicy when we can add those tidbits yeah. I'm not saying anyone's guilty however dutch former model taseer house mom who was discovered by john luke brunell. This is one of the you know. This was the big fashion the moderate really he's. He's throwing the drawn darts at him the s so she says that she was drugged and end abused sexually sexually abused when she was in. She doesn't know where the apartment was but she does say she thinks she also remembers epstein being there so you know people just come out and a lot of this is just people coming out and just saying whatever they remember my favorite though is kerry kennedy kennedy and she is the <hes> robert kennedy daughter coup. Do you remember she. You do remember the story story. She was arrested for driving under the influence and her defense successful defence. I might add was that she had accidentally bentley. Take an ambien instead of her progesterone or something like that and so she was all whacked out and she you know she crashed into a trailer tractor so she's always been good friends with his lane as she offered her lawyer left court when the trouble started between epstein and the law and left court of course was is someone who <hes> who worked sometimes defense but it's even more juicy to know that kerry kennedy at the time was married to andrew cuomo. Now's house which which puts the coamo quid created back in infocus which is really always fun if we can just accuse him of anything so do you have any clips from the wendy williams show gee. I forgot to watch and i forgot to record. Why did you have any now. I'm just thinking where you're going here. That's all i got. I will say something else when it comes to things that we've that we've been out ahead of love and this comes back to two pipelines. I don't remember exactly which episode was when we discovered how important pipelines are to the to the geopolitical goal state of the world and of course this was when a lot of pipelines were being built who discovering the old ones things were changing. Ukraine was changing russia. It was changing the stance towards russia. It quieted down a little bit then we had the big leviathan field which we've known about for at least eight years and that started started pumping so we've tracked that we've been tracking the nord stream two which is a secondary route from russia <hes> that is intended to pump just a whole lot of natural gas into europe which once again will go through ukraine but it goes along the coast of several countries and it kind of came into view what has been going on the past week when i read read this report from reuters that the nord stream two russian lead gas pipeline project across the baltic succeed to europe could be delayed by up to eight months and cost an extra six hundred and sixty million euros due to hurdles in securing the necessary permits from one particular country and this is the last country that has to sign off on these permits and they've been wishy washy about it for a while while and that may make sense that we had someone come out of the woodwork to perhaps delay their decision a little bit longer because has this is denmark so now you can understand why trump was going to denmark now. You can kind of understand understand why he wanted to make a big deal about greenland owned by denmark too because they are in direct competition to the the natural gas. We are now exporting. This pipeline in particular is in competition to the gambit we have running which is more expensive of course for europe europe but we are going to be the net exporter of natural gas and maybe you wanna cause a ruckus around denmark and then if they decide that they are going to approve the nord stream two across in their <hes> territorial waters. Maybe then call them out as russian stooges or something something or you know enemy of nato. I think that may have been the play all along. It's a good theory. I think he actually actually once greenland it is that we did get a boots on the ground report from one of our producers which i don't mind sharing from voter. He says <hes> for the danish government oh this he feels it is indeed absurd and he agrees with the new prime minister's assertion of trump's offer and he has the following points. One for the danish government cannot sell any part of greenland without the approval of the greenlanders. I think we knew that this is determined by rules passed after world war two so why ask denmark you should have made an offer to greenland directly and let them negotiate with the danish government well i again. I think my theory works here because it's not about greenland per se and maybe about stopping the russians with the final lincoln the chaim that to do the danes have very sensitive about every square meter of what is left of the realm of denmark this history here denmark losses southern part to sweden in sixteen sixty st a piece to norway in eighteen fourteen and the northern part of germany which also used to be there's they lost that in eighteen sixty four which they didn't even get back after world were one on top of that they sold of course saint john saint john and saint croix in the caribbean in one thousand nine hundred seventy two us for twenty five million and thirdly denmark and mark may be small and relatively insignificant in the greater scheme of things but they're not stupid. There's a great potential in greenland and they will never just sell because of short-term perspective. The politically greenland eamon kim nielsen probably had the best response saying he could be interested in buying the u._s._a. Because it was the vikings leaf the happy who discovered covered america and his father eric the red who discovered greenland and stayed there therefore it is only logical that we get the usa back again. He has not yet decided on the price but but expects it to be quite low taking the deficit of the u._s._a. Into account and if trump will be part of the deal if he is then the offer will be lower all right well. I love having producers everywhere in the world. I'm sure that's exactly everybody feels. The point is that they have already sold the oldest something in the past yes saint core kwan croix and john and say jan and so they you know so it's not with outside the realm of possibility and it's been done i mean truman ask the by greenland after world war two and was rebuffed and somebody in the eighteen eighteen hundreds. I believe made the offer yeah so it's not completely nuts. It's not absurd which but here's what bothered me so she said this is is absurd now. It's not absurd but his response is. She's a nasty woman which i can only i've been looking at that. He never for says. She's a nasty woman. Or what did he say. He says. It's nasty used the word nasty referring to her comment but he never said she's. I don't leave unless somebody gets thrown me a quote that may well that explains it because i thought he said nasty woman and i went looking for some connection between this new prime minister and hillary. Maybe he was making that connection. Maybe i misheard it but his response was well. You know if you're just going to respond like that. Then screw oh you you're not nice. I mean what is that about. It's only i i'm telling you i think the russian pipeline thing is is what is is number one or that's. That's what he's gonna a us now. That's why i didn't go to greenland's. Why didn't ask them is all about denmark well. Let's listen to let's play greenland clips. We want one from democracy now. Greenland on sunday trump confirmed to reporters is interested in purchasing the autonomous danish territory and did not rule out trading a u. S. territory territory for the island trump said essentially it's a large real estate deal danish politicians across the political spectrum expressed disbelief over trump's sudden cancellation of the state visit the danish prime minister met the frederickson cold his idea to purchase greenland absurd heard she also told reporters thankfully the time where you buy and sell other countries and populations is over. Actually i had an idea. Why don't we sell california to greenland the commutes too far. No then you can put all your homeless on a bus. Oh well no old austin there will open arms greeley realty freeze as listen to number two. There's a bit of new information clip two on monday. Trump tweeted a photo of shiny gold trump's skyscraper ice scraper photoshopped onto an image of greenland town and wrote. I promise not to do this to greenland. Trump is said to be interested in greenland's abundant it natural resources and geopolitical importance but the island is also at the center of the climate crisis earlier this month greenland's ice sheet experienced its largest single-day melton history in july the hottest month ever recorded greenland's is lost. One hundred ninety seven billion tons of ice is the equivalent of around eighty million olympic swimming pools experts say in addition to rising sea levels around the world. The receding ice could expose toxic nuclear waste left at u._s. Military sites during the cold war john john john john look out your window quick the mudflats now. They're still there. Nothing the thing is changed <hes> she's so there's a little bit at the end. We're dumping new nuclear way yes well. That's not exactly we true but in nineteen with she said yeah that's well i. I actually got this on no agenda social dot com them guys like <hes> ooh. That's exactly what he sounded like lie guy suddenly we had a a secondary base there and we did have some so-called recalled secret nuclear testing so i don't know anything about the secret nuclear testing but apparently there was there is waste and other toxic shit from just having a base there and now lameda and they just let it all snow under because it was hard to keep it clear anyway and him then they abandoned it so it's just hidden under this layer of i dunno ice melting. It's going to expose that and the woolly mammoth dan and end and bacteria the smallpox black death that we haven't seen since nineteen eighteen all of that is going to come when the when the ice melts surely you know oh 'bout this science math science not to mention the amount of methane that has been accumulated by the ice somehow yeah that's from the woolly mammoth farts yeah yeah sticks in that ice for some reason when you on the topic of this <hes> of the of the nuclear waste so there was a explosion of nuke went off in russia yeah it hasn't been reported to as as much as it could be a little bit. I mean it was all kind of the same like from what i remember. The russian said oh don't worry then they said maybe we should leave and then come on back aci- okay was very unclear. Well i have the clip from n._b._c. That kind of explains it not completely but it's not really a nuke dare testing and i thought it was interesting because we've done this in the past i think in the fifties or sixties there was some anti gravity weapon will maybe but that that wasn't what happened. <hes> <hes> nuclear engines new nuclear jet engines asians nice and they dared they'd work 'cause we've tested them but their problem is a very dangerous. You have to have a really long garden hose for the water turbine. I hear <hes> but they have <hes> they go like cbs's. Get one go and you can fly around the globe two or three times just keep going and going and flying and flying so you can have these things is flying all constantly cause fear of course as you shoot one down it becomes a dime keep flying on the grounds boom blows up so <hes> this kind of what happened this thing blew up and i don't know what's going to happen to uh-huh this program but they kind of explained here and on another global front tonight russia's facing new questions over the recent explosion at a missile testing site after telling a nuclear monitoring group to stay out of it we get more from n._b._c.'s bill neely mystery tonight about exactly what happened days. He's after a nuclear explosion that killed five russian nuclear scientists at least four radiation monitoring stations nearby went silent and stopped transmitting committing data russia told an international nuclear watchdog today mind your own business russia admitted radiation levels did spike briefly after the accident which was tied to the testing of a nuclear missile engine and dividend cutters putin said yesterday there is no threat no risk increased radiation but the kremlin is he's also furious. An international nuclear watchdog tweeted this map of a potential radiation plume spreading across russia. The kremlin calls calls that absurd warning the watchdog to back off claiming it can withhold any data nuclear experts say russia's real aim is to hide secrets crit supply this a nuclear powered cruise missile the president putin boasts could evade american defenses russia concealing from the u._s. Exact data on its nuclear fuel to the russian radiation monitoring stations aren't working again but russia has proved once again that when it comes there's two it's national security. It will hide what the world might want to know man. We got russia with a nuclear engines. We got france with hover board. We don't have any cool shit anymore. Now dropped the ball yeah. He's tesla which they got troops on hover boards. They got nuclear engines. We got tesla into thanks obama. I don't know i think i remember spending seven hundred sixty billion dollars last year. What are we doing with <unk> boondoggles ignoring meetings. The president finally caught up on his no agenda episodes. It's about time you know. It's a lot of people always talking to them so you can always get some time to himself and this was <hes> three days ago. A tweet wow report just out google goal manipulated from two point six million to sixteen million votes for hillary clinton in two thousand sixteen election. This was put out by clinton supporter. Not a trump supporter. Google should sued my victory was even bigger than thought so thanks we <hes> we did quite a detailed dive on his on in this research and the guy got into a beef after this the elliott gould wherever his last name is epstein robert robert epstein stein robert epstein he with hillary because hillary says is part of a debunked. Let me read it. The debunk study you're referring to was based on twenty one undecided voters for context. That's about half the number of people associated with your campaign. Who've been indicted yeah. I knew that this was the messaging that went out immediately and <hes> this. I just flip to c. n. n. Actually it was on m._s._n._b._c. s. n._b._c. They didn't have the story at flipped to c._n._n. And yes sir and there's another conspiracy theory jeffrey that he's onto he took to twitter today to accuse google google of manipulating votes. He said google manipulated from two point six million to sixteen million votes for hillary clinton in two thousand sixteen election. This was put out by clinton supporter or not a trump supporter. Bugles should be sued. My victory was even bigger than thought. In a day of whack a doodle claims this is the most wackadoo divall and and john we went through this research and this twenty-one undecideds undecided voters. Yes we'll talk about that in a second but there was thousands of pages and people underneath all that research which float up until this final test so and i thought the research was pretty solid <hes> and has been published and the guy's been put into as a. It's a it's a it's a definitive work because because there's not even any claim that google manipulated votes. There's no that they didn't go in there and change votes. No one claims that except donald trump the idea to see what the what is doing their tells he talking about. He's trying to make its first of all trump was wrong. He says has google manipulated from two point six to sixteen million votes for hillary. That is a well. It's very poor way of stating aiding what happened. What happens is their bias in their system or biased within the people we don't know put more hillary favourite links at the top top two positions so and that swayed the two point six to sixteen million according to <hes> robert epsteins research into voting waiting for hillary they were indeed undecided but it was very important and the research is very conclusive and has been replicated but this jim oak to i the the first woman says odds is baffled at debunk that then tuban comes in saying well. They didn't go in and manipulate votes what he's implying. Here's they didn't go into the voting machines and manipulate them. That's that's literally what he's implying which is such a douche move those there's no that they didn't go in there and change votes. No one claims that except donald trump the idea is that searches were ranked in certain ways that helped democrats democrats rather than rather than republicans. This too has been long discredited but it's all part of this incredible nervousness about his political standing no-one just just saying long discredited by who know by slate magazine who discredited. That's what i if i i was sitting there at asked tuban. Who's just a stooge. I'd say toobin discredited sources man report. You can show me studies and sources okay. Ah shut up. I was wrong about two thousand sixteen. I don't know if he's going to win or lose in two thousand twenty but what today's you know spate of craziness tells us is that he's really worried about losing. That's the real message not any of the stops now. Listen to the the final woman on the panels. You're nodding here sabrina. Well look yeah. I think it's no coincidence that he picked out this two point six million number from the rain that was provided in this unsubstantiated conspiracy theory theory because unsubstantiated conspiracy theory unsubstantiated this is this is not news news. This is election. Tv is very variable that but it's still a disservice to the public unsubscribe <music> leading the public six million number from the rain that was provided in this unsubstantiated conspiracy theory because that's also very close at the margin by which hillary clinton won the national popular vote and we've seen the present on multiple occasions throw out again conspiracy theories that votes were nearly nearly three million votes were stolen from him in the twentieth sixteen election because then that helps him push back against the notion that hillary clinton in fact won the popular vote which is a big a sore <hes> thinking point for the president robert epstein actually posted a very long thread regarding this in his battle either even included a picture picture of him and hillary because <hes> and he's very disappointed with with hillary clinton and he even show even pulls out to wikileaks emails to show how google's eric schmidt offered to run hillary's tech campaign and if yeah of course he funded the groundwork which is this little tech company whose only purpose was to put clinton in the white house and after all that last night i saw late he posted a picture of a beach and written in the sand was i love life and he posted. I'm not going into kill myself. I don't wanna die. I'm very happy with everything. I guess he. The clinton body count got to look at. He has a thread and response to it. Ninety percent of the responses related to be careful. You're gonna get killed in that. Meam is great that means the clinton clinton miss as the nation's. What is fantastic. It's so entrenched mentioned in the public consciousness is it's i. I'm actually stunned by that is always something that ten years ago. It was just some sort of a running gag a ah a few people. We've heard we talked about it. We talked about earlier but now it's like jeeze and i forgot to mention on the other epstein. I'm pretty sure that looking at bill bars connections through his dad to epstein which is very clear. I think bar is is cleaning up. He's not going to unseal the thousands of seized indictments. He's gotta have a couple of people who go down and i just feel like all eyes on bill because you know the clintons winton go down. All you have to do a step back and watch everyone else who who matters tumble. You don't think it's going to happen now. He's he's <hes>. <hes> immune is our immune ore. He's got <hes> he's protected. He's not going to happen. They're not gonna do that any president well. Let's check in with lou and joe show. Let's see doj joe. Genoa says if we've got any closer any information about the sealed indictments thousands of them after after three years of investigation we still know so little and and guess what if it hadn't been for the corruption at the top of the f._b._i. The department of justice to swing the election toward short hillary clinton we would have all of these answers but when you have the world's premier law enforcement agency the f._b._i. Become so politically bankrupt and corrupt that that it cannot run an investigation the way it should have. That's why it's important that they clean house and that's why it's so sad that christopher ray has has never addressed any of these problems as bill bar said when he was attorney general for a couple of months he says i have more questions now than before i it became attorney general boy that tells you something. No it tells me nothing. Does your something man. No it's so disappointing appointing three weeks ago. It was going to be any day now wednesday. No it wasn't no three weeks. Ago is gonna be wednesday. I can't even i can't even get tea non board anymore. I'm like that go. She's like. I don't believe it for a second. I've heard this all my married life with you which was three months a few days ago <hes> she's finally wised up. I'm i'm sure this is. I'm sure everybody heard it but since we've had this exact same issue back in the day all say we haven't had this happen in many years <hes> the bill de blasio skype. Fail was pretty fun. I don't know this oh my goodness yeah it was it was the iowa uh think the union workers and blasios missed his plane or whatever blow crap excuse there was <hes> and so he came in on on skype and we knew it was skype because you remember what used to happen. Sometimes only on your end i might i might add with skype what was happening on my and you'd get the helium voice. Oh yeah that would happen. Here's bill de blasio calling in a thank everybody. I'm so happy with you and i i i apologize. I couldn't be there in person had cancelled flight and could not get you by my time slot but i want to just say anything about why i'm running for president yeah well. We have to do in this country. I wanna thank you and the audience is laughing and he does. He has no clue and his whole statement. It's just hilarious and last tonight said it does. He sound like fighting your way. Every day organized labor in iowa. What does he sound like. We sell one of the female candidates fighting a really really battle no but you've been doing it in a way of someone who sounds like ben shapiro. They know you're racist. Sexist homophobic hates the right. That's what they know about. You and it's not they think they know that about you. Ben shapiro fancied pick that up. It's a bit like ben shapiro yeah more than a bit. Maybe ben shapiro's on helium that would make sense that would explain something <hes> let's see i have a couple of other twenty twenty th oh yes well. Elizabeth warren <hes> finally a apologize to american indians kind of insincere ear quasi heartfelt. I know that i have made mistakes. I am sorry for harm. I have caused. I have listen and i have learned a lot and i am grateful for the many conversations we've had together. It is a great great honor to be able to partner with indian country and that's what i've tried to do. As a senator and that's what i honest i will do as president of the united states of america was pretty good. People thought it was me do it again. I wanna i wanna hear it without elizabeth. What you're crying. That was pretty good didn't do anything okay but here. Here's a here's a groovy one from from another guy i got my eye on andrea sang this. He's he's alspi on that stage man but he's a little pompa silicon valley ass in the background however ever he went on a podcast. It's always very dangerous when you go into podcast. I'm not talkin joe rogan. I'm talking on a podcast. We are chilled and you relaxed and this is the podcast and you feel like you can kind of say whatever you want. No surprise surprise the debates are rigged and even so so filtered and removed debates like you pointed out just feel like you're watching a reality and not actual and not even a good one the base really nightmare. I mean they asked you complex questions and expect you to answer. 'em like thirty seconds and then they cut you off <hes> and they focus so much on the drama. It's like they want it. They want you to get into an argument with joe. Biden and you know one thing. I'll share with you all that that some of the campaigns are in touch with the t._v. Network ahead of time to talk about what sort of attack they wanna law on the stage attack on <hes> around asked this question would be would play really well. Yes campaign says hey <hes> we're gonna make this attack against biden and then the network goes okay like like we get it and then they helped create that opportunity. What a nightmare. I mean what a farce it's. It's quite a disaster and i want to share here with you. The perspectives like i think a lay person who happens to find himself on the presidential debates stage being like what the hell on like. What's gone on to this conference call so that's quite the accusation. Wow that's clip. That's i clipped clipped today. Give it to yourself. Thank thank you. I could tell somebody to you know no. I found this myself jim although let me just say as a part of our value for value system. It's not not just the money yes that enables you to do the work but at this i was thinking just again this morning without our producers i you there's no way no way we would get the amount of the quantity and the quality of clips and summation yeah inside did not read then okay one of our guys little long but i wanna read it a hollywood guy in the morning and keep me anonymous. I did share an event vented happened this spring and it will be an annual event and he's got some lincoln scholar. Impact all this. I saw this organization such as color of change define american and harness which has been offering story consulting script integration services to hollywood for years. We only know of the the one we've talked talked about of course are familiar hollywood health and society u._s._c. They're participating in this event and this event was cold. Unreasonable conversation and <hes> people can look it up on google. It will be available during interactive sessions for writers who went workshop specific storylines characters. They're working on <hes>. <hes> proper says it's all participants will be all participants would provide you with a resource guide in contact information for these groups. They can develop deep relationships with them on an an ongoing basis as an unquote. This is an extravaganza of mind programming insider. Trading trainings are with the top producers directors and actors messaging pitching and coercing the new recruits to learn the new narratives for all genres of entertainment think lear foundation. I don't think this would pop up on on your radar. If nobody sent it to you. You might be able to deconstruct it in a novel way. <hes> hollywood is no fun. Anymore is just virtuous signaling in the the c._n._n. Agenda at every job. I'm struggling hard as a middle aged white guy in the entertainment industry trying to escape this whole mess before they put me out out to pasture <unk>. This gathering makes my skin crawl and it's a clear virtuous signaling attack on everyone but the triple disgruntled status people. I would contribute again today. Bam a bad place financially and says great show. Keep up the good work so there's a bunch of these things going on yeah. I took a look understa right. I took a took yes well. I took a look at unreasonable conversation. Dot org is yearly five. Oh one c. threes but there's a lot of money pumping and through him as a couple of them another one he <hes> he mentioned i also looked up and that was see who is that was their name name image of darn just fine america and define american sign america anyway did so they in march they had the big meetings meetings is where they get together with show runners with producers and what's great about it. Is you know hollywood. Being virtue signaling community that community that is they do not wanna make any mistakes so for instance. There was an article linked to one of these sites study immigrant tv characters portrayed as criminals and less educated so just like you don't wanna get caught up in some kind of bullcrap controversy as an advertiser. You certainly don't want to make a misstep yep. If it comes to daca kids over comes to racial issues whatever it is you want to bring in the experts who looked very expert expert and we'll get to that in a moment and they should be a nonprofit and by the way. I don't think it's free and they may be paying them or into the nonprofit offit but it's like hiring i._b._m. You know you can't go wrong. Hey look. I brought in the unreasonable conversation. People i brought in the define american people i brought in the lira hollywood to help decide to people i brought in all these people so you can't blame me and they will be very careful that the advise you properly so on the unreasonable conversation asian program this year speaking or as panelists america america ferrera remember hers ugly betty andrew sullivan eleven who is credited as a contributing editor at new york magazine of course a very famous blogger andy deep putty comb. I don't know let's see barra tune day. Thurston people who <hes> have seen him before on twit twit will know that he is who he is by sam yussef dubbed the jon stewart of the arab world <hes> and go down some more here blood names. I don't know see gena davis no her head the ray ray very famous hollywood producer john legend well when john legend's in anything you know that that has to be a completely he left organization because legend famous for saying. There's no such thing as a creative person of any sort who's is not a democrat yes. I think this was the clip. Is john legend here. I'm hosting a virtual phone bank for swing. Let this weekend to help. Get out the vote ahead of the special special election in my home state of ohio. That's right. I'm from ohio and ohio has a very special election on tuesday working to elect democrat danny o'connor honor to the house of representatives. I think campaigning on expanding health care and proudly promotes his rating from the n._r._a. His republican challenger a state senator john. Maybe it was something else. It's okay call boaters from anywhere. All you need is internet access and anyway. We had a clip somewhere we we said creative people can only be democrats so john legend is in it carrie washington very famous <hes> actress <hes> who else do we have here. Marsha marsha gessen the you know her. She's the troublemaker who hates russia and of course therefore also hates trump. He's written ten books. She's on staff at the new yorker megan smith. Hello we know megan. Don't we used to be on my silicon spin. Show all the time. Isn't she. A spook doc <hes> it's possible. I don't know that <hes> let's see who else do we have. Mayor of new orleans turns <hes> rushide. Robinson makes sense that he's in there stacey abrams general stanley amy mcchrystal. They've got the military guys in there to you know to advise on the proper way to show anything steve levine the future editor axios axios yet. You know you're so valerie jarrett. Oh hello val she's in there so that is what is polluting your hollywood products. That is what is happening to m. c. You is these people are have their fingerprints all over it. How'd you like that little comic reference and get edit mc you. It's the marvel cinema cinema tonics cinematic universe or some shit like the marvel universe mc you yeah oh. It's all generally influenced by these folk that way. That's why the creativity is kind of leaching out. People aren't watching so much stuff. I mean there's too many shows on netflix. Have from renault good had a lot of this stuff is just garbage and just when we finished up the roger ailes loudest voice six part miniseries now there's going to be a movie with nicole kidman and what's your name <hes> <hes> delillo blonde from <hes> <hes> suicide squad robbie margot robbie as one of and then the and the other one the dior name cherise charleroi theroux showed serang girl. She plays megan megan megan kelly and everyone looks just like her. I don't think so. I thought she did you. You really didn't sign. It was like a pretty good job but the thing is in the show. I saw the trailer and it was just a crash in an elevator okay. This is not unexciting bom bom bom bom bom. I mean it was just a chunk trailer. No this movie's gonna. I love how you do. Trailers bom bom bom bom totally yeah. I don't know if there's going to be any good in the roger ailes thing was i did the job it. It was a pretty good series and there was russell. Crowe did a good job. I was fantast. Look just like kind of look like but no now. They're going to try to jazzing it with some legs well. I'm not against thing again but with more legs think about how meta that really is to do a documentary do a drama rama about roger ailes that has more legs than the other ones so they can beat it out that is very meta when you think about it do a little twirls. Movie girls girls that i'd like to thank you for your courage and say in the morning to you. The man who put the c. and crying pocahontas john c. the back and morning new mr adam korean the morning ships see bush feet in the air subs in the water and all the names of knights. Hello hello hello. Hello troll room in the morning to you. 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I had not given specifics as to my trials and adam was moving at that had time to here's my story i purchased and moved into my new house last august unpacked purchased furniture hung pictures and made it a home then in february i found out through postcard in the mail and as subsequent city open house that road construction was planned for the road directly directly in front of my home no this this will include adding a turn lane bike lanes made made possible by taking home owners land and increasing the speed of thirty five miles an hour creating a direct thoroughfare between two major roads during a bit ever doing a bit of research. I discovered that the homeowners affected had been received a letter of explanation in the spring of two thousand seventeen so the seller sold the house to me not disclosing and by the way it's still legal in california new that disinformation and you consume am i really did not do due to diligent do the due diligence to discover this project. Go i had clearly stated. I desired a quiet rose air by greenspace. No i found out april eighteenth and another city meeting eating that the nearby greenspace will be the future site of a one thousand nine hundred home development uh-huh so here. We are exactly a year later in last friday. I closed. I on the sale well this house row and have a pending offer on a new one on a done a dead end streets at this. The whole process has been one challenge in the afternoon. I hope you didn't go through the same real estate person. Thank you for keeping me sane through it. All all these include a sir american carnegie on the birthday list. I think i didn't i didn't i didn't send hysteric. I don't think maybe i did sir. American carnage on the birthday list turns twenty nine eighteen checking no so this is from dame new baronet whack a mole okay sherman harness black mole sir american-carnage win twenty twenty nine on the eighteenth. Okay got it. 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That's their job <music> paul dorton at san antonio texas to twenty two twenty two the san antonio n a meet up was my first and <hes> brimming thing with interesting people. My wife who is expecting <hes> human resource number four didn't attend because she thought it'd be a sausage fast. What what is this the show. We'll hold on hold on <hes>. She's pregnant or maybe she just not as she needs pickles sir john divorce back dot org. Hey pickles biggles in ice cream. Anyway sad learned about mastodon <unk> hams guns but wait a minute. That's massa ham radio and guns okay. She's right. It's a sausage fest. Wait for the next. At least they didn't tell you about a hot rod remand. Please and thank you very much for recinding that one in that's funny. I like that caesar baptista. In what do you think socrates saw saugerties new york. Saugerties must be judged somewhere to mellow giannetta. My swollen and migdal of feels less inflamed with every installment of no agenda. 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Iowa bane is appropriate. G._o._p.'s tax day giveaway to millionaires why was traffic problems. Emails mail sent environmental projection agency and what service station has done. I could not that stuff is just so beautiful once in a while you gotta roll out the full reverend al jobs and job that's for add harm or rather healthy list of executive and associate executive producers for eleven eleven sixty six wanna. Thank each and everyone of helping produce. This particular show yeah healthy is right man. That's fantastic and since we're here anyway <hes> <hes> the me welcome a new human resource to the no agenda nation <hes> this is from <hes> <hes> richard eurod slave just thought i'd let the family know we have new human human resources name is artemis candan johnson born eight nineteen nineteen four fifty seven p._m. And coming in at six pounds ten ounces he he was born after a sudden c-section temple and is currently in the nick you for a stay as he is four weeks early. Oxygen and feeding tubes are in. We are struggling but they're for him every every day. If you get a chance we could use some karma for the little one in the hopes that he gets healthy and out soon picks below yes rich. I think he actually tweeted me. This morning morning says we're about to go into the ronald mcdonald house. What should i know well. I can tell you what you need to know. You're going to be close to your child. You can be well taken care of because the motto is ah keep families together so you'll be just fine and let us know when you guys get out congratulations and thank you to our executive producers and associate executive producers. I mean like really thank you. This even doubt the see-saw. It's always sickening when we go through these. These roller coaster moves <hes> but i always have faith and it paid off once again. Thank you for supporting the show and we have more people to think fifty thousand above in our second segment after more deconstruction and of course you can support us by going to this website the laura dot org slash and a running particularly. How much decries propagate formula is this people in the mouth boy aw probably should play this. We got a deep fake deep fake deep deep deep fake which and there was a deep fake machine out. There and people like to do stuff and i i hear it. I i mean if if you tell me fine listen. Is this the person that's the real person i can hear no because it's still sounds a bit choppy and not completely natural but back when it comes to this particular guy and his <hes> already interesting cadence you get this hello hello. I'm jordan like the news you get from them. I'm a deep although made up of skip logic and the odd glitch that requires to jiggle the handle manipulated by name use fag bucer seeking cheap it is more important than ever when you donate to know agenda unlike me for man made climate change causing mudslides to disappear goes to separate the no agenda show is real needs your support especially jeremy in bond. I do so bad. Please go the divorce dot org slash in donate. Now i may be fake. Proficient is real. It's pretty good. Isn't it yeah couple of glitches in there air but i liked it sounded exactly like him for except for the dog glitches don't say glitches the those issues where some goes like makes a google share. You're right. It was real good. She's my favorite part. Was this differ except that it was just thrown in there for no reason there goes to this effort that made it really feel real to me. That was beautiful thing. Oh my goodness so who is who is our producer. They did that well. It's chris wilson. Put it together but there's the not the uh not peterson not jordan peterson dot com deep fake people selling deep fake algorithms it yeah you know that was a veiled yeah. You can just enter any anything you want and it sounds like you're it sounds well. Yes i would say it sounds pretty good pretty. Good yeah so you get a kick out of that. Oh this i i thought i dreamt this <hes> and then i went looking for it and indeed i had seen it and it did happen but it kind of passed over with with the shootings and god knows what else it's just the election news channels. It's so hard to get news like actual news even news from the president who by the way i think and trump has done something very smart. He noticed he'd never replaced sarah sanders. As far as i know he certainly didn't replace anyone in the briefing briefing room so is new stick is fantastic just whenever he's walking to the helicopter out of the oval across the lawn. He's he's got a news pool camera setup no journalists on camera which is why you never see jim acosta anymore just no journalist on camera only him. I'm answering going back and forth bantering and i think at this point he must have spoken to the press more than any president ever in history. The middle comes wandering sometimes wanders on through the over the grass lot of grass in these shots well. It's it's out is coming for two undergrads coming up chopper and he's going to a choppers always. He's on the move. He's on the move as right. That's good but i liked it. You know he's taken away the whole idea of the briefing. It's just gone now is just him and it's probably the best way to do it. Although holy crap man no no matter what he says it's just another scandal of the day for the election t._v. Channels it's despicable anyway. One of the things that we always talk about when these mass shootings is was there any were there any pharmaceuticals involved. Now we know that the dayton ohio shooter had xanax and cocaine and alcohol not a great combo not an s._r._i. But ned great combo but you never really hear about this and it's never discussed on the news channels because the election channels are sponsored by big pharma in general they spend most of the money silicon valley doing pretty good as well <hes> and as we've talked about several times on the show but going back many years the closing of the mental institutions in in the united states now. Could you like a brief reminder because this was the reagan era. Was it not when we closed what we used to call the nut houses well well. Yes but it's i get the briefing because this was an era that i was this was my era and what has been going on as a democrat during this this year of course does democrat <hes> because you're so so there was a constant constant carping by the democrats mostly the left if you wanna call him that today but the democrats the democrats <hes> and it was in the schools when you're in high school even even grammar school and the always discussed all the horrible thing they do look at these insane. Asylums is not the way you treat people. They don't need to be locked up and they made needed <unk> of the social justice warrior movement i believe maybe it was and they just moan and groan and moan and groan and moan it was never gonna end and what was the what was the main complaint about the these mental institutions were locking people up man. Oh man they don't need to be locked up and so they were lucky these people up and it was bad they should be out in about most of them weren't even nuts anyways for his arrogance diesel lisa counseling so as idea and it kept harping on it and just like this one flew over the cuckoo's nest was largely about written by ken keesey easy and he was a functionary of the of the of the moment and he wrote a book about it and it was just horrible digits lock people i mean they give them electroshock therapy and drug government so there is horrible so reagan comes into office and he says he didn't want to have anything to do with all these people moaning and groaning for his whole six years our longest gonna to stay as as the governor and he just closed all the places he did. He did what they wanted and they are now. Looking magaw blame him. Were these were these federal. Institutions state and reagan had the power to close near elected. They got all all of them got disappeared. We had agnew state hospital down to san jose locked up. We had the the nut house in <hes> referred to it. Ask napa is a nut house in sonoma's. Both of them. Were were pretty much shuttered. I think one was kept over the one for the criminally insane whichever one that was i think whisk kept for a while because they need to put these guys somewhere. During their trial it would be worth going back and looking at some articles from that period and see if people are talking talking about you know the equivalent of people experiencing homelessness people experiencing mental issues or some crap like that the homeless this thing is something that has been written about has been studied. A little bit really relates back to jimmy carter when he changed some federal rules about <hes> <hes> subsidizing housing. Let's let's stay with the <hes> with with a nut houses for a second and i remember growing up the they were a <hes> what's wrong with timmy. They took his mom to the nuthouse. Way would be referred to well president trump robert. We're going to be focusing verse strongly mental health because he has a case of mental health part of the problem is we used to have mental institutions and i said this yesterday we had a mental l. institution where you take a sicko like this guy he was a sick guy so many signs and you'd bring him to a mental health institution. Those is institutions are largely closed because communities didn't want him. Communities didn't want to spend the money for them so you don't you have any intermediate ground. You can't put them in jail because he hadn't done anything yet but you know he's going to do something so whether it be talking seriously about opening mental health institutions again in some cases reopening i can tell you new york governors in new york a very very bad thing when they closed or or mental institution so many of these people living on the streets and i can say that in many cases throughout the country. They're very dangerous. They shouldn't be there so we're going to be talking about mental institutions and when you have some person like this you can bring them into a mental institution and they can see what they can do but we gotta get him out of our communities so the problem with <hes> with doing this today in twenty nineteen and if it hasn't already already started it will is mental health and the definitions of that of changed mental health is <hes>. I mean now you at school. You can take a mental health day at work. You can have a mental health day john. You and i don't know this but <hes> this is the fact act is a this is something that is a part of your benefits package you. Can you know you get this many sick days p._t._o. And then here's your mental health days. <hes> mental health is described very differently in and it is much more inclusive than you're right for the funny farm where the nut house and with the s._s. Our eyes and i learned a new one s._s. N._r._i.'s report you'll hear in a moment. These two people who are depressed. Were really seriously depressed. They have been lifesavers verse. So you gotta walk. You've got to tread very carefully in today's media landscape of what you call mental health and mentally insane et cetera cetera and as if on cue n._p._r. Had an hour long special celebrating thirty years of prozac and i put a link to it in the show notes. It's it's worth listening to. Although at the end it comes all the way around to well. They're pretty good we she keep taking him. <hes> the woman who did the piece did this did interviews and host the piece has also been on prozac for most of her adult life and i just wanted to play a clip from this. We've had thirty years of prozac. So why are we still depressed. Which i'd like to have is an eye so candidate for the end of the show. I think think it's a very valuable statement. We've had thirty years of prozac. So why are we still depressed. I have this almost physical memory of the first this time. I opened the bottle and shook this tiny green and cream colored capsule out onto my hand. I remember being scared at the time. I thought it was gonna make me somebody else. And what did you think. I vividly remember the first time i took it but i remember better the the third and fourth time i took it because i was stunned. I was absolutely stunned. At first i thought this couldn't be just having a good moment but the moment turned into a day in that day turned into a week in that week turned into a month and i am someone who lived with psychiatric symptoms since i it was ten years old and probably even before all of a sudden i was better and i had to reckon with what it meant that this pill was was making me into a new person came to believe it was called the psychotropic drain. Oh it clear to my mind of all of the gun obsessions obsessions in the gunk of depression and underneath was the person that i was the most miraculous thing that's ever happened to me and i've had had two babies so not supposedly miraculous and it was miraculous but it wasn't as miraculous as being cured in a matter of days days by a pill. What's been the long term effect on you. <hes> prozac stopped working for me. It wasn't like it's kind of dwindled down. Outages stopped so i had to switch to effexor. I'm permanently on an s. n._r._i. Booster i can't get off off. I've tried to get off and it's not possible for me to do. I don't see that i'll ever be able to get off of it. In the meantime. No one knows no one really knows what the long term side effects of the are. I've been taking <hes>. You've been taking them for thirty years. We're walking experiments but the scarier thing than that is that no one's experimenting on us. They should be looking looking towards us. Our bodies carry the signatures of these drugs but no one's asking us are looking at us or looking in us to find out what what might be the long term effects. Why are they so hard to get off of and what happens to the brain if you do get off of them and what happens to the brain if you don't get off of them i mean something is happening to the brain and after thirty years of marinating your brain in a serotonin booster rooster clearly the brain has changed but no one knows how or why and apparently no one gives a crap apparently not that that is outrageous that is outrageous and these women have a point. I think it's well made by that one that one woman yeah what what what gives yeah it's like thirty years bill yeah i mean this is just like <hes> chantik just hey are you smoking now. It works who cares if you tried to kill yourself or your neighbor who cares if you woke up naked rolling around in horsecrap with a gun who cares cares. If you're a celebrity chef and you kill yourself while in france too yeah. That's i find that to be immediate grounds for order halting sales into until we find well that would be fair because people did these people really needed and and it didn't it stopped working working. I mean isn't that reason enough for the makers of prozac to go find out why i don't know if that's a competing manufacturer but she went to a different brand and had to add a booster <hes> yeah it's very distressing thing and i'm sure lots of people will send me emails about their experience and i appreciate that that'd be it'll be interesting to read about eh and of course in this case prozac. Only well okay well. Let's guess a little more exciting tons of things that are exciting. I was just this. Sometimes i gotta put something on blast. You know let's see we got <hes>. What is the interesting odd would cuomo and ray. Oh yeah yeah. This is interesting now. This is this is. This was something i record. I knew about this and i thought it was as a topic. It was is woman calls out whitey. You know just some screeching woman. That's that's giving some guy crap for being white <hes> but that's not what i ended up with with with. This clip was not about about that clip turns out to be about something. Completely different has nothing to do with the message of the of the clip has to do with the pitch of the woman's voice all dropped a registered down and talk deep because you know like <hes> you mean like when you're running when you're running a blood company arriving voice on the new steve jared something discs woman who is bitch talking over to people two tones and pitches and the frequency response of her voice or the frequency of her voice not the response to frequency of her voice pretty much wipes everything else out and i'm wondering if this is not the most effective person to have as a spokesperson in a broadcast televised argument just because her voice. Let's listen to this clip and i'll and you'll you'll declared been around but just listen to how the voice dominates. This isn't flashing. Politics is about elections. This isn't about about about terrorism winner to have taken over. The democratic party hijacked it from their own speaker. You think they've hanging over angela interesting. It's so interesting. This is angela rye exactly what it is yeah. Yeah i have the same attitude. The setup would have been very different for me but okay. Let's listen well. Let's let's because l. because i don't care about this bull crap. This is just a bunch of people bitching and moaning at each other. I don't care about domestic. She has to say but i do care about her voice and how it easily steps all over both cuomo and the other guy thing that turn at the same time you understood can hear pennsylvania the muslim congress the time you chose third term hijacking jacking. I beg to differ because they've hijacked depart here remar on their interesting credit rettig party for me but the great radio looking at country are white men white men who think like you that is greatest. You're absolutely right. It's all because of guys like me. That's silly rhetoric. You get your on years knowing how dangerous times are right now. Defending this nonsense calling people these folks. What's although recent research at the table table. Hold on what's angela on the patrick accurately. There's philly joe who's shows it. Come down so we can have rational conversation station. That was my favorite yes. She has a great voice. She's a very annoying person. She is full of crap is boo who lay and she's been on c._n._n. For a long time with this annoying voice i think you should hire as your personal spokesperson. It's astonishing her voice. I mean i didn't i just 'cause i was listening for the message that i that's. Why didn't clip it for that. I mean the idea that you can't use the word hijacked because it's it's. It's demeaning and just just to add to that. I mean you did hear the point where she keeps saying that white men the problem. I mean you heard that right. Okay that pisses does racist but it's the way it cuts through everything else. That's what i was impressed by discreet. She voice voice of hers is perfect. It's perfect voice. That's why she's there. They have selected her specifically for. She was just a runner at the black congressional caucus. She wasn't anyone's when important and then she got on c._n._n. She's good at yapping over people and she's good to go. She's got a career. I love this part table. Reset the table. Although what's angela clear the patrick seconds actress name philly lo who's show. Is it now i. I don't know today's television standards but back in the day when i was on on the television if you're an interviewer or you had a panel of people and you resorted to pay who shows it you gotta talk into very amateurish. It's it shows you have no control. You don't know what you're doing and it's it's pathetic. Maybe it's okay these days. I guess but you know you talking to us like this done on purpose. There's there's no reason to control room can cut people off that can do a lot but it but because she is getting her she's the one is dominating komo. She must've give her this show and he's been wanting her own show for a long time. I'd say don lemon beyond. Look i watch your back. Watch your index finger. Would that would be a good person to replace limited. We'd be good to with her promise. I get the sense that she's stupid and <music>. I'm sorry i'm sorry don. Lemon is the shining light hello. Let's get back to the programming means perfect guy. That's what i get the sense that she's odometer army and probably couldn't do a show yeah this or she's a prima donna. That would be horrible to be running show well. I'll tell you this. She would be a good good hate. Watch people would be totally into it. More hate watching than than lemon lemon is to is no. He's named ambi yeah yeah and he better watch his index finger. She's coming for him. Speaking of old white guys being the problem this carries over into the business news fox business news you can carve out those that are good for the environment social and governance don't have board members of a bunch of old people guys white guys sitting around the table. We'll fallen asleep then we need to upgrade. We need a face lift. I think to some degree. This is what they're saying but they're not going to shift away from profitability for sure investors today. Especially millennials are looking for this type of representation their portfolio and he didn't get that and he said yes there is a genuine shift on the part of society which wants capitalism to be less gung-ho for profit. No i'm not saying that its profit number one as you say however we're under more scrutiny if you have been running a fortune five hundred for a long period of time and your board members on average seventy eight years old and they're all white guys yes and they don't have diversification day. They don't have younger thoughts. You're gonna come under scrutiny from investors. Okay fep one fepblue. Don't hold on a second. I'll bet you in a second yeah. I guess we're screwed. We'll be under scrutiny bogus argument to of course one is the most experienced people you can get and you just just there's random throw a bunch of diverse people onto the boards various companies. Don't you know that most companies do better when you have of women in senior imagine management. Who's where's the a._b. Comparison where's the proof of that assertion. Oh false equivalency what aboutism find find a proof of that assertion. You'd like my lip cart full equivalency man back off with what about his you know i it. You have a bitter voice to do that character i do now to it's too dumb dogs. Everybody we get shit forward but dogs are indeed people to. I cannot stop being on this tip. <hes> we have replaced dogs that we played replaced children with dogs certainly here in austin texas. We've replaced them. Not only the what somebody wrote in and said the resent our donations done the lasch's because you condemned dead dogs. I did not condemn dead dogs but i did make fun of the constant comparison of dogs to children specifically babies. You never hear this is my toddler. You never we're here. This is my teenager. No it's always my baby. How old is your baby in a year's stinky old and i love dogs exactly i have no problem with dogs but owners and oh my god anyway i could go on forever. It's fine. It's fine but i am right about this. We are replacing children with dogs and channel four in the u._k. Has made a show about it. Then you don't british trina joe racy is coming to the aid of desperate parents for the controversy approach to parenting unpack monoclonal dying. I believe in the concept leans that they still wear my slide given a door of using job training techniques uh here last week here's adult whether an with the dog they wanna gonna be good boy. Can you really train your baby like a dog now. At eight on channel four there you go yes us. Can you train your baby like dog. Yes and they brought in the dog trainer and this is one time when video would have been good. She says sit you hear there in the clip sit and the dog and the kid both sit down is is phenomenal. That's just listened to your. I think dogra tired. They want to be good boys. Can you train your baby like a dog eight on channel four. When i see a choke chain around some baby then i'll wonder well. You're no stranger to the leash true but that's not for training is to keep him from running on the tracks his life saving measures yeah. It is a big difference <hes> brexit. I this would fall under the header of. I don't know but what we were talking about this. I'm pretty sure i said what are you laughing about you. Ho homing didn't get clipped this morning from this network joe joe and i will do so. I'm glad you brought brexit because now i can talk about. I just clip to clip but i can talk about their latest scheme. Okay well here want. Here's what i heard heard. The boris was hanging out with angola in fact the have the clip and he's like whatever and she goes it and then he goes <hes> yeah. I think we can still come up with a deal in thirty days. It's aggressive but i think we can do it. This guy is not taking the u._k. Out of any yes of course i think there is ample scope to do a deal and dive explained. I think pretty clearly what needs to happen. We need to remove those elements of the withdrawal agreement that simply don't work for once. We get rid of it. If we can change it then i think i think there is the real prospect of making progress very rapidly indeed besides their backs off the hook for the next round going into maybe joe by the way i think what we need to do is remove it the whole entire remove the the backstop and then and then work as transfer markle says on the alternative arrangements and <hes> <hes> there are abundant solutions which are prophet which of already being discussed. I don't think to be fair. They've so far been very actively proposed in in the last three years by the british government but i may say i'm very glad <hes> listening to you tonight. I get to hear that at least the conversations on that matter komo properly begin and you've said a very blistering timetable thirty days if i understood you correctly. I'm more than happy happy with that lease this. You know what's going to happen. They're not really right. They're not going to brexit. They're gonna kick him. Out and nigel garage will become prime minister. They're out of control. What boris johnson nigel farraj iraj becomes prime minister. I would love to go back <hes> i think probably ten years nine nine years for sure and find notes that we got from our british listeners back then because we were big fans of nigel farage just for his polemics. Oh yeah yeah that's the e racist g hick wide you like him. This is no good. He's gonna go nowhere going. No no one cares about it and these are all spotted early and we stayed on the train and we were corrected as i think we are often so i'm watching this <hes> clip. You're the latest here going forward and i did. It wasn't wasn't concise enough. Digital wasn't really clear. It would've senate this morning. The thing they're pushing now is is the is the is the catchphrase freedom of movement. I seem to be really hounding on his freedom of movement and so they were out and man on the street. Do you think think it's gonna be okay because with brexit. You'll have no freedom of movement yes. This is a big thing yeah. I know yeah as if you're now oh you got you got the lead boots on and you can't move can't even leave their town. Look down. It makes it sound like a straight jacket straight jacket. You can't move you can't do anything and this is the same thing with his ireland border backstop nonsense. What difference does it make make if they put a stupid border guard at this on all hold on a second now. That's you that you're wrong. Because the people of i of the republic of ireland and northern ireland people <hes> had a real problem with the border they're happy they finally got rid of all the problems and they are are worried. They say they that the problems will come back. If we have a physical border to pass through border just have it as as just a guy you could phone into your gun and flown into europe where you go into the customs thing. There's two doors. One is green. One is read. You've got nothing to declare your walk off. The plane boom. Go through the bar and you're now in the country took bat long the united states stop. Everybody scan the bags. They do all this stuff. You don't need to do that. You could just have a green. They have the border there have a big green red and just pat people back and forth as fast as they want to or through the green whole. I don't see this being a huge impediment was gonna re trigger the irish republican army or anything in between i don't know but i'd like a t shirt that says the green whole that's all i i want to yeah. Let's probably is all you want but that said i just don't i mean this freedom of movement thing. They got everyone's saying oh god. I don't know why i'm going to do and they had to hold on stops british. Stop stop stop them. This is not entirely correct. The the freedom of movement thing is also mentioned on the e._u. Side and it is not just about the backstop and the border between the republic of ireland ireland northern ireland. It is about the freedom to go work. That's no i i did for said that but i'm telling you that is mentioned the backstop being an element okay okay. I'm i'm a fan. I'm expanding okay. I'm expanding so right attacking you just they always send the emails emails to me so i'm trying to adamant curry's war god is easy. It's easy to remember yes the the freedom of movement in my experience the way people mean it is now. I can't go and work in amsterdam now. I can't go work in frankfurt now. Oh i can't go work in fill in the blank and that's true until something has worked out or if that's worked out immediately. That's really an icy. That moore has people who don't want to be in the u._k. They're the ones bitching on freedom of movement. You basically want to personally actually actually brexit to go work somewhere else. Just move there yes you. Would you wanna work in amsterdam in holland because you like it better than you like liverpool. This move there become a citizen yeah yeah. They don't wanna do that is temporary marriage. Boris johnson <music> as a guy is a nut job. He's you know what i'm happy the u._k. Has someone like this now because i got a little tired of trump bit. Here's a boris johnson. Who is an anti anti vaccine same time. The world health organization stripped the united kingdom. That's measles free status after it declared that had been eliminated just three years ago complacency on the part of parents the need to get that second <hes> vaccine but also also. I'm afraid people have just been listening superstitious mumbo jumbo on the internet and stuff thinking that <hes> the vaccine gene is is a bad idea. That's the precious governments inviting social media companies to a summit on how they can be to promote accurate vaccination information. No there you go colluding with the government. It's called censorship but okay. You can call it a conference. If you want. Gotta love that yeah. Gotta love that hey let's. Let's figure out how we can tell people how wrong they are. They need to end this is not a pre appro or antibac- statement and just as you gotta be careful when the governments are telling you what to do telling you what to do. There were two who i'd like to play these two types. There's a lawsuit against google google for their youtube subsidiary from prager you and they have filed the this is something that we've been talking about. When when it comes to section two thirty of the communications decency act which of course is what spawned the commercial internet services verses known today as the social media et cetera and the idea just briefly. It's explained in this clip that a you could host. Someone's user generated content. It was referred to at the time <hes> u._g._c. user generated content free. You know they do it themselves. As fucking idiots keep blue. They're gonna make a business out of this so you could not get sued for libel but of course you have to adhere to the exact it words of the statute and prager you is taking a alphabet to court <hes> they did a full six minute video of shortened down just to give you the basic basic of what their lawsuit is about the most important lawsuit in america right now and perhaps the free world just prager universe. I don't i don't talk about that. The world's freedom depends on youtube the most important lawsuit in america right now and perhaps the free world does prager university versus youtube youtube was infringing on our right to free speech. We filed in federal court in late twenty seventeen seventeen and thereafter in california state court. Wait a second you might say youtube which is owned by google. There's a private company. Can't they do anything anything they want. The answer is yes and no yes if they are a publisher know if they are a public form so what's the difference. This gets right right to the nub of the matter a right to the nub of the matter. That's a typical lawyer. I guess he has no heart can't say heart the nub so what's the difference. This gets right to the nub of the matter. A publisher chooses the content that resides on its site the new york times is a perfect example. You can't write a story and just expect the new york times to publish it. The times chooses would appears on its pages or website in if they published a story that contains militias lie more violates copyright law. They can be sued prager. You is also a publisher decides. What material gets placed on its website. Most sites are publishers in contrast a public forum which can be physical location like the classic townsquare or a shopping mall or virtual location like a website his a place that must allow individuals and organizations to exercise their free speech rights youtube is an example of a public form in fact youtube describes itself as a public for him he make a video you hosts it and anyone with an internet connection can watch it. Facebook is also a public forum and so as twitter. Here's why this is so oh important a public forum under section two thirty of the communications decency act allow co sponsored by democrats and republicans and passed by congress in nineteen nineteen. Ninety-six is not subject to liability for content placed on its site. If someone posted a video about how to build a bomb or writes a threatening comment the a public forum website cannot be held legally responsible for that content. That's a good thing it gives youtube and other public forms the chance to host a wide variety of material from nature videos to political diatribes without fear of being sued and it worked and then it didn't the few years ago the social media giant's google google facebook youtube and twitter started to behave not like public forums but like publishers stopped following section two-thirty which specifically typically requires that these websites promote a true diversity of political discourse and began to judge content by their own political and social criteria so and by the way i pulled out every three second gap between every sentence he read so that was painful as it was it was much more painful before i chopped down and i think this is i think this is interesting this lawsuit because it goes after different part of the statute which is the description <hes> this a light to description but it is a description of some of the responsibilities and i think they i think they can argue it yeah. I've i've always believed this. I wrote a column last year and p._c. Magazine that said that by facebook and twitter. I said they're publisher and one of these days something something has to be done about it because they're not acting like publishers and they're i mean they're i mean. They're acting like publishes. In the day they call products. They take out terrorists stuff they take out they don't like and they have buildings full of people that look at things and decide whether should be removed not including these some of these very lame videos at prager you has been had pulled including an alan dershowitz explanation of the founding of israel. Why would you plus man. It's like bid the b. b. S. man hey where are isreaeli nights by the way i don't hear from them anymore. That's a good point join little were. I don't see him on twitter. A lot of israeli listeners sergio no we. We have a couple of nights from israel. I have not heard from anyway. Sorry continue. Can you on your good point anyway so they're written about this and i sent a column over to that law firm and <hes> <hes> you know. I don't know if they're gonna how they're gonna handle this. Whole thing is about time because it there'd be if somebody put here's my concern and i've seen it somebody on youtube or anywhere. Any of these systems published something libelous. You should should be able to sue the publisher. I'd bet you can't because of the section two-thirty supposedly these are not these are forums like a. I don't like a bulletin board at your local career. You know you can just pick something up there there. It is yeah. I think so too is international. I mean the germans germans. Don't you to all these guys. They've they make him take down any nazi stuff and they gladly do it. Yeah you can you can you can have separate. He can't do yeah yeah. Well i before i do and say anything. <hes> i could not resist. I went to try out the new burger king taco. Since you said taco ria i get less left myself open. Yes for the cross examination. Now you can george tacos subject. No i just wanted to say that up. I i love me a hard shell taco and in the commercial they look looks so good and the people eating them look so happy. Let me tell you this is a piece of shit product it. It comes flatten. It looks like a case of d the ah it's it. It gets soggy almost jack in the box taco cau- it looks nothing like the pictures nothing like the commercial it. It has the taste you can't even. I am right now. I'm gonna put on blast could not even see what was in there. Oh what a piece of crap wrap up you ever had talked a jack in the box taco. No okay not being jack in the box. I'm not a big jack in the box sky by telling you this right now. You're byu should do this okay. I'm gonna do now that you've entered the realm of taco ravi laka reviewer you you have to go to the jack in the box and get a jack in the box taco to compare it to the burger king taco. Yes it might not ataka wrist. Taka restock arista nailed it. Yes thank you all right back to youtube after this slight detour dave rubin wait a minute that you brought up the taco thing bring a mine uh-huh. I'm sorry yes because you are also talking to reprise at taco bell because they tried to get to the french fry game with some dip they there's coated with some god odd awful powder or the worst french fries. You can buy anywhere. I've a feeling taco talk. Maybe a whole segment take taco talk with your doctor is there a podcast should be a podcast taco. Talk with your talker recess adamant john. Hey hey john. How's your or your being back to back to google. Dave rubin who is of course horsa he's a leading warrior on the front against <hes> against censorship and what youtube is doing and the d platforming and the cancel culture <hes> because he's witnessed at first hand and <hes> and i applaud him for doing that so he had a panel that he pulled together with a number of people talking about d platforming and on that panel former facebook <hes> guys been been at facebook for seven or eight years. I'm sure he has his money and he's fine. He's doing other stuff bryan amateurish wjr and he's asked and wouldn't you know it. The guy inside the company's is saying exactly what we've been saying about d platforming on this show since since the word d platforming was invented. I mean just a little insight on on how in terms of what makes it hard to be transparent and a little bit about how these algorithms work whether it's komo news feed or or demonisation on youtube so what they have is some sort of ban list of if you talk about these topics or use these words with your fear an objective or you're on the right <hes> you're gonna fall into this category and we're going to treat you this way. That's not how it works. What's essentially essentially happening and this is true for both youtube and facebook on the democratisation for example what they're trying to instantly advertisers from is the risk of their brands being tarnished by controversy. That's that's the thing that advertisers are worried about. They're worried about the fact that if they're near associated with something that's considered hateful or hate speech or politically incorrect that that's going to blow up. It's going to tarnish their brand that's going to they don't want to be associated with that. Is that a very strange thing though because i don't think say before the internet if you were watching any n._b._c. sitcom you were in thinking that whoever tidied aid endorse that particular episode of the cosby show or something like that i think people have become a lot more sensitive about it and they've become much more become somewhere activist like about it and saying like oh. You're you're right next to that ad therefore we're gonna try to punish you in control you in this way and so what i've understood from the advertisers any no. I didn't work on that part directly but i've spoken to folks inside facebook about this. That's essentially they're concerned. It's not that they have any against objective is or they're against people on the right <hes> <hes> they don't want to be associated with something that could become controversial and so the problem for these companies becomes. How do we predict what's going to become controversial and the way you do that. That is not that you have a team of human beings who are deciding what's controversial. It's not the answer that you build fairly sophisticated models using artificial intelligence and machine learning but essentially try to predict what's going to be controversial and what's not okay so without going to matrix right now. Aren't the humans the flaw in the system there yeah i mean these systems are built by humans who have their own biases and all that i mean i look at it from a higher level than that like i. I think the flaw is what you are saying. In the sense of like like you can't be that sensitive about being associated with with content. That's controversial because it is it is is impossible to build models that are going to predicts this stuff. Accurately those models end up predicting. Nobody can even tell you you might look at it it from very human perspective and say like kind of fuzzy looks like they're biased against conservatives or objective or whatever it is but in practice the way these models workers there are hundreds of thousands of levers. Nobody knows what they all are. They're trained. Essentially you with data. Sets that are again. They're trying to reduce controversy and essentially with them and that's the advertiser concern at least and that's where it's coming from but there's no sort of ban list on far-right or right exactly. That's the whole problem. It's what has always been now. Are there biased people pulling the levers to something in there. That was was funny in catch k. Wh why did he keep saying it objective est yeah because he's he's an iron ran guy. I guess that's gotta be at or somebody is at the company. Maybe he was always a randy in any that's why he had to aleve or maybe face. I haven't heard that word for decades know. We talked about an ran. Who you're a big fan of yeah. We talked about objectives ever heard you ever use. The word objective isn't well. You're wrong because we went into in fact you and integrate d of detail about the bull-crap. Oh crap objectivism after i said hey i read this book. I kinda liked it. Atlas shrugged little rat objectivism player. Remember just not me. It's exactly so you. I am nailing your dream. No no we did talk about yeah. We david dream okay all right well. We have archives i. I just found in that clip. It was very very that he kept bringing that up. I agree. I'm glad you did catch it. Okay of course then the troll room caught it to people people people do listen and they also listen to their customers looks like gillette has figured out that their idea of causing controversy with the best of non combat which backfired spectacularly with a five billion dollar right down on the gillette property so they've gone back yeah they've gone back. They've changed. They are now going to stop talking about toxic masculinity and they're going to local heroes as we see a firefighter in australia wake up in the morning getting ready to shave moylan been thought fodder for nods amy's people sometimes if it's scary it can be <hes> mm-hmm luck anyone who has a job to prepare not just in terms of your whitman but also mentally and physically environments. It's mandatory for australian. Forefathers clean-shaven their vice mass keeping airtight seal sometimes titled kyle's but you're trying to control your stress response lots of laws skin shaving everyday can cause redness and they retire that komo honestly. It's not defy worry about most. It's more the concer vonda one late on a journey. Thank god the raisa designed skin irritation after playing the. I'm taking away your clip of the day we used to have something for that. Didn't we worse clip of the day we don't. I don't have anything and maybe christie. I thought we had a thing that reversed. Yes yes. I'm correct. <music> gone took it away from me now. Can i bring it back. Talk goes because i plan this once. We want to talk about it. You're gonna do that but i'm listening you. Wanna talk about delete first first and then go to tacos again. Now i wanna talk about july. Don't care by gillette well. I'm going to bring it back around to an article in the new york times which shows exactly exactly what stage we are in the podcast revolution map. We went through this stage yet. We went through this. We we we. I've said many times. You can't monetize the network. It doesn't work this is not going to end well and there's this whole article about fast food companies doing podcasts and according to the new york times what's more surprising people are actually listening to them. Oh bull crap now. The thing that got me though and it's a whole it's a whole article about <hes> so gizmodo is producing the mcdonalds mcdonald's the sauce podcast but then i got to gimblett gimblett is working for new balance creating a show about clothing and sneaker culture. This is the death knell of the podcasting network the minute the podcast network take it from me. I had one the minute. The podcast network resorts to getting in advertisers to make a show for that advertisers heiser product. You're on the brink of another round of finance. This will not work for gimblett this the any of these work for anybody know any of these podcasts companies that are going to make payroll by making podcast for their advertisers who should be advertising on their outstanding. Podcast is going down the tubes. Yes i can't agree more and in fact the whole thing. There's some thought i hadn't i'd lost it. We did that at meal. We we did the r._d._x. Seven we did <hes>. We had a bunch of a bunch of sketches et box motorcycles. We did boxing plo goodness yes so this is worse was going to say this is worse worse. I tell you force eight of ad had it worse than it is. The pits it is the pits is really bad. We on the new york times. The new york times is in on this somehow because there's no way that people are flocking to a taco podcast done by taco bell whoever the sponsor well they say that talk a little bit about the shell bill. We got bill in here from the shell manufacturing facility outside of nashville taco. Shell makers makers bill how to build yourself yeah just what you do at the taco manufacturing taco shell company so i thought i was going to be bill. You played both roles. You know your bill okay interview interview bill here taco manulife tacos. John manufacturing bill bill are you doing. I'm good. We got bill on on skype. Yes <hes> i'm sorry bill so <hes> have been doing this taco shells bill well well first of all thanks for having me on the shell cast a really really enjoy talking about the different kinds of taco shells that are out there <hes> so far. We found that the one that looks like a <hes> case of de stuck together. We can't see what's inside seems to work the best for the for our tacos but that's not the way taco bell taco is bill sure you actually worked for taco bell or are you just a generic shell maker. The taco bell buys from your a contract oh hey would. This is the shell cast. I got all kinds of shows big shells small shells that got wacky. Shell zany. Shells got colored. Shells got hardshell ossoff shows. I got shells so you you who's the inventor. I was very fascinated by this. By the way who is the inventor think el paso makes these and and the shell has got like a bottom so as it goes down hard shown that's got a bottom of this about an inch wide and then it comes up on the other side so you can actually stand ended up the shell that was that i think we should stop what we're ahead. I'm going to show us little by donating. We know agenda imagine all the people who could do full yeah that'd be they just weren't up for it always had to end this somewhere. No could've gone on. I know oh. I know you talked about. Maybe there is something to that but let's say somebody please register shell cast dot com and the taco show with your toc arista. 's show talk. Show yeah the taco. I think i can talk for hours about tacos bitchy by him. That's for sure. She ended taco truck. Todd goes it becomes more interesting but let's thank terry ruling out there in niles ohio. Oh and she says john c has a note roses roses right. It says j. c. D. as a noted. Let me see if i can find a terry for you. Let's see if i hired it is <hes> i damn. I want to wish my smoking hot boyfriend chris hansen. I happy forty six on august twenty second. You have your list and the ad it yeah okay home aunt so it's from is from who terry terry what's her last name the rule lick ruling for you l. a. and to smoke and hot boyfriend chris hansen k forty six is twenty second or sixty today. I'm sorry you've got yeah i do. He punched man the mouth of few years ago and i can't think of a better birthday gift in donating towards his knighthood as very sweet you both for for keeping us sane for thank both of you for keeping us both saying and <hes> so she says the thank you notes. Actually a car are did says thank you on the front. Thank you card yeah i. I should mention this so there's another one that just comes up in the conversation somewhere but the baroness of kendall county sent a note about the actually i'll do this. 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Rundown was almost identical to the tuesday trump but in the tuesday trump rundown they didn't have any whip websites so we've just whipsawed where they say one thing and then they clip something else so here's a wednesday trump rundown and then i will take to whip sawed out of it after we hear the whole thing also making headlines this evening president trump's sparking new confusion on gun background checks polling new tax exc cuts off the table and feeding with denmark over his rejected offer to buy greenland all while doubling down his controversial remarks about jewish voters n._b._c.'s a._b._c.'s peter alexander is at the white house president trump tonight delivering mixed messages about enhanced background checks for gun buyers. Oh i have an appetite for background background checks. We're going to be doing background checks at the same time after another call with the n._r._a. Chief tuesday arguing the existing system is already strong. We have background checks but there are loopholes in the background checks. That's what i spoke to the n._r._a. About yesterday the president also appearing to reverse course amid concerns. The economy may be weakening outlook. He <unk> disputes after floated. The idea of tax cut tuesday payroll taxes something that we think about today saying it's not on the table at a tax cut now. We don't need it. We have a strong economy. The president again defending the ongoing trade war with china. This is in my trade war business a trade war that should have taken place a long time ago by a lot of other presidents delivering this self aggrandizing assessment somebody had to do it. I am the chosen one want. Somebody had to do it so i'm taking on china. President trump also digging in again painting jewish americans as disloyal. If they support democrats. I think that if you vote for a democrat very very disloyal israel after the jewish people many jewish groups have condemned the comments accusing the president of echoing an anti semitic trope the jewish people have dual loyalties and are more devoted to israel than to their own countries and tonight. The president's found another target blaming the prime. I minister of denmark a longtime ally for the abrupt cancellation of a state visit their next month after she ridiculed his desire to buy greenland it was nasty. I thought it was inappropriate. Statement all they had to do is say no. We'd rather not do that or we'd rather not talk about it. Don't say what an absurd third idea. That is the president's decision to pick a fight with an ally comes as he's advocating for a traditional adversary two days before heading to the g. seven summit calling for russia to be allowed back into the group before you continue with the deconstruction. This is only possible symbol because of his new format of the grass the chopper and just trump yeah. That's interesting okay. So i heard a lot of <hes> i mean he's also so making it easy for them to put this together well. They still can't do it without cheating yeah they can't they just can't do it. They can't bring themselves to it. If you listened to the tuesday version of the same thing it was pretty straightforward. There was no cheating in that one same exact report but somebody obviously at n._b._c. He really one of the worst of these networks say m._s._n._b._c. <unk> of being the the <hes> pity me of it <hes> somebody said hey can you. We do this again but let's ah give the guy a little some nibbling here because it was like pretty soft and so they threw everything they could in the second report but it's the same thing but here's the two examples of the whipsawed that were in there and we'll listen to both of them and then you'll see how obvious it is but let's play a whip saw one arguing. The existing system is already a strong background check but there are a loophole in the background checks and that's what i spoke to the n._r._a. About yesterday he says that the the quote says that he's he called the n._r._a. To telnet the existing systems already strong. That's not the clip. Pull the background on checks. I've got loopholes in them me here. How is that how how does what peter says in his analysis says the e called the n._r._a. To tell the background checks eggs are already strong. That's not that is not what he said in that clip arguing. The existing system is already strong. We have background checks but there are a loophole in the background. That's what i spoke to the n._r._a. About yesterday to be fair and not cheaters they would've used the other one where he said we. We got great background checks but he doesn't have that in any never said they were strong. No the n._b._c. correspondent asserts that trump said they were strong does not say that lies lies lies okay. Let's try to another example. After floating the idea of tax axe cut tuesday payroll taxes something that we think about today saying it's not on the table looking at a tax cut now. We don't need it. We have a strong economy what i want to play it again. After floating the idea of tax cut tuesday payroll taxes something that we think about today saying it's is not on the table looking at a tax cut now. We don't need it. We have a strong economy where where in their float the idea idea. He says he's looking at them. We're looking to tax cuts. We're looking at task as a float float down to be specific. He says taxes aksa payroll. Taxes is something we think about you know. Who doesn't you get payroll taxes than thinking about something about the same as floating an idea. He specifically says yeah we think about any contradicted himself. We never contradicted him because he never said the for the the first certian was a false assertion this. This is what n._b._c. does constantly. This is what they do in your officially on the trump defense force. I'm not defending anybody. I know i'm just condemning. N._b._c.'s poor reporting a bigot. Their reporting is biased. Yes biased and slanted. It's terrible. It really is terrible. It is it is the best part of all those clips oops you played for me. Personally was the end of show i so i am the one i just can't get and just can't get enough of that. In fact part of that was pretty funny. 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1317: "Mutants"

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1317: "Mutants"

"I doing pickles curry john. Devora thirty first twenty twenty one award winning nation media assassination episode thirteen seventeen. This is no agenda. Hopefully the line broadcasting live from opportunities on thirty three here in the frontier austin texas capital of the drone star state in the morning. everybody. I'm out of curry from northern silicon valley where we're celebrating something. What i don't know the weather. I'm jesse devora. Wow super inspired. They've opened up the restaurants. Oh i know. Oh i know outdoor dining. It's magic it's all magic. It's all just it's just all happened. I'm so happy. Yeah yeah looked at his numbers and affected. They're trying to get him kicked out. I think those are the only numbers he's been looking at. Let me see. I was watching the animated. No agenda that dame jennifer put together the last. I always very short one. It was About newsom about his Well you know we can't show you the data because it would confuse you you stupid citizen loudly. We're ready to open up. Everything's pointing the right direction. But we can't show it to you and you said you mentioned the lawsuits. The insurance companies going after the states and i think that may have something to do with it as well. I think a lot of lawsuits when this thing is over every sneeze comes with a lawsuit attached to it but the same you know not to be outdone by the west coast the east coast pop into action buick city restaurants on our current surge activity. We can reopen indoor dining at twenty five percent on valentine's day restaurants period of time so they can notify workers They can get up to speed for indoor dining order supplies etc. So we're saying indoor dining twenty five percent on valentine's day. Oh so perfect. Valentine's day couldn't be any better. It's going to be a bonanza. He is he mentioning the all. The reports coming out that Apparently the nursing home deaths or twice as much as it was reported. I have a couple of clips on that but first. Let's just stick with the opening part the netherlands Still locked down. I figured out a little bit more about the the nature of the rioters. Angry group of young people is in the netherlands. Who were most angry about their curfew. i'm i'm full women knowing. Never guess now. It's the moped. Drug dealers is the holland has a very active drug system and it's I would say a lot of its enhance. The moroccans who of course initially came to the netherlands is immigrants. Now were second third generation but there is an element of that Who are very active in the drug trade. And it's all done a mopeds. People don't leave their houses. You have to go see a drug dealer. That's not sophisticated text. our guy. He rose up on his moped and so they have too much product. Can't unload set them drug industry funny. Well no it's not. They're they're very upset. Me in kannada. Did we not have an email that that we were skeptical about. Maybe two months ago. That canada was going to build a containment camps or camps to to put seek people in. Yeah well yes well turns out. That's kind of true. We we were like. I assure we'll see these camps. Here we go. We all need to do our part to keep ourselves our loved ones and our neighbors safe. That's every person every business working together and now canada's air carriers are stepping up to protect canadians to the government and canada's main airlines have agreed to suspend service to sun destinations right away air canada. Westjet sunwing and air transat. This this perhaps my favorite thing that he's doing as you will hear They're closing these particular flights. These airlines they may not sound familiar because their budget airlines because canada. You can't go on vacation. Shut up slave and stay. Home are canceling. Air service to all caribbean destinations and mexico. Starting this sunday up. Until april thirtieth they will be making arrangements with their customers who are currently on a trip in these regions to organize their return. Flights on top of these flight cancellations were bringing in other measures as well starting next week. All international passenger flights must land only at the following for airport. Control checkpoints calgary toronto and montreal in addition to the pre-boarding test. We already acquire as soon as possible in the coming weeks. We will be introducing mandatory. Pcr testing at the airport for people returning to canada. Travelers will then have to wait for up to three days at an approved hotel for their test results their own expense which is expected to be more than two thousand dollars with negative able to quarantine at home under significantly increased surveillance enforcement. Those with positive tests will be immediately. Required to quarantine in designated government. Facilities can make sure they're not carrying variants of potential concern. You will immediately be a hood will be over. We'll be thrown over your head and you will be taken to a government facility. You gotta admit. That's pretty nice. It's it's just short thrown a trunk almost want to be you know wanna test positive so you don't have to pay the two thousand dollars. I mean jeeze. But just the whole idea of an. And i don't understand. We have the that canadians put up with this nonsense. Now they're docile but the world is opening up and you have all these two. We have the same variance. We had the same vaccine rollout problems as everybody. Although he use seems to be a little bit worse now but how come people are locked up and word near. We're opening up again. The inconsistency cannot be lost on the global internet surfers. Who do mentioned maybe get. Maybe trudeau's never read in his days reading from the old paperwork which paperwork they probably have a number of mammals. I have to play this series of clips. Right to begin to get this out of the way because i think it applies to all these things that we're gonna discuss. And this is the little Little this grouped american frontline doctors. Yes yes excellent. I saw you had these clips. I can't wait. This is the group that kept bringing stuff out and get taken being taken down. By schubert's fifty thousand doctors lawyers these ten thousand simone launch of that her name dr simone goal gold. Yeah yeah that one. She gave a very nice little presentation in front of one of their conventions and they have to put it on their own website. What convention. They've conventions they had a meet up. Yeah big big auditorium interesting. Because the front america's frontline doctors were. We were told. Were just a bunch of crazy religious nuts. In strip malls working as doctors and they were conspiracy theorist and science deniers and yet they have meet ups with fifty thousand. What would you say. I think the number of interest group is like ten ten thousand. Maybe more they've signed a lot of documents. They've done a lot to get back on the got kicked off a youtube and everything almost immediately and And they're they're cropping up all over the place. It's not a small group and they had this some. This is like a conventional big auditorium philip people when they bunch of lecturers coming out and this mon cheat talked for a long time. I only picked up for clips fairly short but all a meaningful and She's there's nothing radical or weird about anything she has to say he's just too in fact this and some other clips i have all starting to do. Now is make our show back in march. Sound like we're genius because we had all this stuff because it was all availables in the public domain. This information is not new. Must be honest. We are archivists at heart. That's what we do. We collectively share it. We categorize unthere twelve on the pile falls over. We both die. But yeah this is is is i like this. I don't like it because we were lied to. Everyone was lied to but it is usually. It takes five to seven years before what we said comes out to be true so i like five to seven months. I'll take those odds. That's much more fun. Let's listen to the nfl doctors. There is a lincoln show notes with these clips but for the whole speech. Actually this is the opening. And i come before you. On behalf of america's frontline doctors which is a volunteer physician organization that we started specifically to combat the serious and life threatening disinformation campaign. That has really taken over america and really the entire globe. It's very very scary stuff. I've been a doctor for a long time before me. My father is a doctor. I've never seen anything like this where we have. Groups of physicians are scientists and government bureaucrat agencies essentially lying to the american people and people across the world. I have many many examples one of one brief example. I'll give you the national institute of health right now has as its policy recommendation for patients with covid nineteen stating that. Unless you're in the hospital requiring there's no actual treatment available for you. That is a complete falsehood completely false in most of the world non first world countries. There's plenty of treatment easily available. Hydroxy corcoran ivermectin here. In america if you can find a doctor to prescribe it you get those medicines or butte destin. I'd there's there's many options and this distant formations why we came public when we started to speak out around july a little bit sooner but we got a lot of attention starting in july we were promptly as the pastor said d platform and it doesn't bother me so much i know the information. It bothers me tremendously on behalf of all of humanity right this crime against humanity. There's there's a physician in the netherlands. Who's bringing a lawsuit in the hague calling it that collins a crime against humanity there was a lot of information haven't heard there was a senate testimony about a month ago. But a bunch of doctors went and testified. I believe senator. Johnson is the chairman. You can find it on our website. America's frontline doctors dot com but the doctors testified that the vast majority of deaths in america would have been. But if not never happened ever happen. She's lying denying science. Do we have. Do we have any disparaging clips from the mainstream about them. I'm sure we had tons by. Don't remember i know they actually kinda just. Once they got deep platform d- i thought we don't listen to them all. Nobody says anything because these none of these people that are in this group are not doctors and practicing doctors and a lot of them do a lot of research including this woman. Plus gordon part to this information was apparent since the beginning right we call this illness. Covid nineteen but it's real name should be after the location from where it arose which is wuhan china and if you remember. It was called the wuhan virus for a while. I don't know month or so before we discovered the chinese communist party didn't like that name. They said about putting a lot of pressure on media and other politicians say to change it and they started calling it the coronavirus they called it the coronavirus because it is actually a coronavirus but that became very confusing to doctors and scientists because there are seven corona viruses. This is just number seven so we used to use the word. Coronavirus on our charts. When we meant a common cold person will come into the are in my case and they had a common cold. And i would sometimes right coronavirus on the chart as the diagnosis so it was pretty confusing for doctors and scientists to call it the corona virus right so they changed the name again and it became known by its acronym coronavirus disease two thousand nineteen covert nineteen. I have to start there because it was never a racist or or weird thing to call it the virus right. There's so many diseases that are named after the location from which they rise there's deka new bola there's middle east respiratory syndrome rocky. Mountain spotted fever lime disease. I mean the list is endless. german measles. spanish. Flu this list so you need to understand that deception was there from the very beginning so that was the first big lie. Oh the big light to everyone's everyone's accusing the other. Being nazi. Everyone is a big liar. Gave is longer clip. It brings out some very interesting things. The next big line that the next big popular well-known lie was the maligning of this common ordinary. Cheap safe medication called hydroxychloroquine. Those of you who traveled abroad who've taken mission trips for example or anybody in the military quite familiar with this drug doctors would just give it out like handy. I know that. I was going to take a holiday to africa about twenty years ago and i was a medical student the time and they just handed me the pills. Here you go. I never asked any questions. It was a big fat. Nothing burger taking hydroxychloroquine. All of a sudden we started hearing as doctors even doctors. That hydroxy corcoran's unsafe. You can't understand what's going on with the lies until you understand. What an enormous lie. This is hydroxychloroquine is over the counter and much of the world. it's taken in many african nations. They call it. Sunday sunday medicine because you take it every sunday right. That's like its name sunday sunday. People keep it on their pocket the way americans might keep a tylenol in their purse. It's absolutely ordinary stuff was over the counter really in any country which had malaria or any country that had citizens that would visit malaria countries on holiday. It was over. The counter for example is over the counter in france. The only reason. It wasn't over the counter in america's there just wasn't a consumer demand right in america we use hydroxychloroquine for two main reasons. That's lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and also from malaria for people going on holiday but generally lupus and rheumatoid arthritis and for those illnesses patients regularly see physician so they can get a prescription for it. That's why was never over the counter here. Not because it was unsafe. It's been fda approved for sixty five years. We give it to babies. We give it to children. We give it to pregnant women we give to nursing mothers. We give it to the elderly and give it to the immune compromised. Those last two categories take medication for decades. There was never a pretense that it's not safe. That's the drug that you've been hearing about for nine months now. Ten months telling you it's unsafe. It's incredible live incredible proportions. Once you understand that you will be suspicious of everything that follows. So that's where i found myself. There was an emergency department treating patients. They came in with covid nineteen and once. We have the rapid test. So i can confirm the diagnosis. My first patient who i needed to give hydroxy corcoran's e too. I did it and even knowing the kind of controversy. I really didn't think twice about it. I don't know there was fine. I gave it to her. I actually called her the next day. She was so much better. She better within about twelve hours in about forty eight hours. She was essentially completely well. This completely matched what. I had read in the scientific literature. I knew many doctors were done. This i've read many journal articles. It was completely consistent what was really shocking and completely inconsistent was my medical director. Who calls me the next day and threatens. Fire me for doing this treatment. It was it was. I can't even tell you. Even as i describe this moment to you. It's shocking to me. I remember the case this situation the conversation. I can't take dates. You it might be powerful to get back for fifty five zero seconds of fao Back in the day yeah play it. I'm not so sure it should be banned but clearly the scientific data is is really quite evident now about the lack of efficacy ford. And even the possibility that there could be not could be. But there's you know the likelihood that under certain circumstances might be rare but you'd see it adverse events particularly with regard to cardiovascular and the redmi is that may be associated with it. I mean there was suspicion of that for a while but as data comes into becomes more clear. So i'm not so sure you'd want to ban it but certainly the clan and now i developed the vaccine. I said all right then. He goes into promoting the vaccine which he says will be there by january which was right about because this is pretty much set up the way they did that crazy foul. She always has if you listened to him carefully. He always has an out The way he he. If you call him out on this now he would say well. I was talking about chloroquine the not hydroxychloroquine. Yeah exactly he do something like that. Yeah he's he's. He's kind of a douchebag kinda to this woman kind of okay this this woman. She's getting threatened to be fired by this guy and then she finishes the story and he's saying he's going to fire minister. Why would you fire me over this wall. I don't think it works. I said well then don't prescribe it. You haven't read the science the way i have. I know it works. You'll change your mind in a couple of months when you know you get a little wiser. But why would you get involved with meat treating patient. You do your thing. i do my thing. That's how medicine is practiced license as individuals. It's actually against the law to have what's called a corporate practice medicine where corporation practice has to be the individual doctors position. That's why patients go to multiple doctors right and really the almost the worst part of the conversation was not even that he was ignorant that the drug worked but his reasons for saying that he was gonna fire me if i did this and the reason which he put it in writing because he wasn't so smart he said it was because the biggest payer at that hospital which is a large insurance company that everyone here is under west coast. Mainline didn't want us to prescribe it. They were blocking it so that payer insurance company was pressuring the hospital that their doctor shouldn't do it. It had nothing to do with even thought it was good or bad for the patient who all had to do with my name payment. Which i honestly i still can't believe i'm relating the story. It was really unbelievable. So i could never do that again. If they're well. Good luck with. That was who the doctor was your company which insurance company or what. I don't know which insurance company that might have been biggest in california. Were cross blue shield. Wow that's what they said No she never said she wouldn't say name. But when she says the big insurance company in california southern california. Which wanted is yeah. It's blue cross blue shield and they do a lot. So there're somehow behind the whole thing because they see the money there's money to be made but we somehow we know we know that got trading people within the correct. Well yes there was. There was much more money to be made by tweeting by sticking a tube down their throat. We know that there was much more money to be made. In the pharmaceutical the vaccine industry versus promoting therapeutics. We understand that as well But there was. There were premiums on cova patients for the Insurance and for medicare there were actual premiums on get someone in for cova. They test positive. You get more game in a separate wing or throw them on event bingo. This was very well documented and into one time trump brought it up. He was ridiculed by the media. Yeah yeah he brought up once crap the interesting thing about that clip to me. Besides the fact they're keeps bringing up two dredging up. The same stuff we talked about in march is that it does one thing. It explains the fact that a country like nigeria with half our population hundred and fifty million people has less than two thousand deaths and we have over four hundred thousand yes and and the uk also is very high numbers. Please mind that. The numbers today are p i c. They combine numbers of pneumonia influenza. Even care the combined or not there are too high no in the uk. She if what she says is true. That one of the big national institute of medicine whoever it was says that god. There's no treatment. Don't treat them and then they die. I mean we get over four hundred thousand debt. Why i asked this question about before. Why does the united states have the number one. Why are we way at the top of the list with dead. When in africa there's countries that have one hundred. Yeah but they've luckily they found variant in south africa. So that makes everybody feel like. Oh good the africans got it to having no south african deaths out doing a lot of damage down there. But that's were. Are we talking about facts or media. Bullshit here i mean. And that's that's the entire difference. That's the crux of the show. The story is we're all gonna die. That's just the story in the uk. Have i. It's now up to ninety thousand deaths and if you right there on the placard right there on the sign it says in small little letters in parentheses all deaths that tested kobe positive in the last twenty eight days. That's their death number so it's all deaths as long as they can show some covert positively. Which as you know. It's too extreme and did the frontline doctors Did you watch the whole thing. The whole the whole conference. I didn't watch the whole conference. But i watch most of this women's rights to really makes your blood boil or the listen to it. Did she circle back on the bull-crap pcr that they've turned into a test. Yada remember that she circles back circle back on vaca. This experimental vaccine is probably not good for kids. Well there's a lot changing with testing. Which is you know someone listened to you. Someone listen to this show and and carried out your wish. And i'm very confused by it. You remember my wish. Do you remember the clip about People testing positive for hiv. After the vaccine in australia and you said maybe twice or three times you said you should make everybody get a covert an hiv test. All yes i yes. I decided that quite a few times tomorrow. January twenty nine th on reading this from two days ago ten. Am to two pm. You'll be covert one thousand nine hundred hiv testing in the open lot adjacent to fleet fields in chicago. Why why i. I would ask the state why it's drive up while says we're here it's royale. It's up. Walkup covert nineteen and hiv testing. Face mask and ppe giveaway and narcan education. It's a trifecta of proportions. Just thought that was rather interesting testing moving in new areas innovation on. Its way no more long lines or appointments for a kobe test. Soon they will be available in a vending machine in store. Shopping malls airports and subway stations. The company wellness for humanity unveiled the first machine in new york. Customers purchased one hundred nineteen dollars test online and central bar. Code is scanned simply place. It in front of the vending machine seconds later. The box pops out inside is a saliva test that can be done at home and shipped off to a lab once received results. Take one or two days there advertised to be ninety nine percent accurate the company plans to roll out a thousand of the machines and locations across the country over the next six months. This is rather new saliva test. I know the. There's been talk of them. But i don't think any regular test and one hundred and fifty bucks doing seems a bit bit much and then we had the the biden administration is really fun to watch there so much confusion confusion. The lot of people don't know really what's going on or why things are happening and it's it's flush during soccer is getting flustered from time to time and it's also contradictory in the and the press. You know they'll they'll ask a question and they'll get the answer but we don't see the amplified. Oh my god. This is horrible that we saw in the previous during the previous administration. Where's the answers are still pretty crazy. Sometimes so as well. Yeah the double masking triple masking. There's confusing talk. Double has been some increased discussion about that. We've seen pictures of the president of double bass getting those around in that a personal preference or has he been advised by medical. Is good question while you're gonna talk to the medical advisors in just the next fifteen thirty minutes whatever. The time is and specifically there in specific. Cdc guidance as you have probably seen. Dr fauci spoke to this. I believe in the last couple of days and said it was common sense or made sense. I can't remember exactly how he phrased it a. Okay so jen psaki. Who is always on point has every quote you know. She was trained by nulan. She is a hillary disciple. This is not hurt her typical answer where i think foul she is now been has said this. We must have heard him say fifty times. It's common sense is just common sense. And now she's like common sense or good sense. What every said it's filed g folk to this. I believe in the last couple of days and said it was common sense or made sense. I can't remember exactly. There hasn't been additional guidance given I've been around the president where he's been wearing one mask. I think obviously hit by the health and medical advice sometimes not to get too detailed but it looks like to masks sometimes because we put the ninety five one on. It's a little bit more comfortable to have this on top of it But i would include health help medical team during the call. That's coming up. That is literally double masking. And we've seen it. They put an end ninety five on and then the black cloth mask over. But she's not she's not calling a double masking nano. No no that's not that's that's the idiotic but the i've got a bunch of clips unmasking. Let me play this one. And i want to hear yours. 'cause because i picked i don't know which health official this is from the biden administration. I'm very annoyed. I can't find out but this was in an official capacity. This answer came about double and triple masking i in terms of using the face cloth coverings doubling them actually. We need to be very careful about that. That may actually counterproductive not helpful We know and. I'm not an arrow biologist. We know that in fact they may actually impede the movement of air. In and out and causing it to actually escape and the big crevices between the cloth and your face that's a bigger problem and not a lesser problem than one. I think what he was talking about was having to cloth masks. So oh this is the least scientific discussion. I've heard during this whole thing. The last show we had talked about the marks. You have to have fay marcy at rs on your face. Yes that's the end. Ninety five double masking. They haven't had a technical conversation about is just being said by Tell us about cheesy does even wearing a mask but seems that the consensus is the following. Because i was confused about this and the last show the consensus for double masking ore. As one person put it triple masking yum as predicted is that you put the surgical mask on and because that thing is legal it leaks. That's the one. If i'm going to public places in california where a surgical masks because it for the reason that it does leak you can actually breathe can breathe. Yes now when you say surgical masks you mean the blue surgical mask now. Yeah the blue one. Although there's the cool black one that amazon has been selling also got a bunch of makes you look like a taliban is gray. Looking mass colours just plain surgical. I got one here. This is exactly the same only black. Obviously some gimmick and the surgical masks on then you put a cloth mask over at the seal those edges were lodged. It actually get air. And i'm surprised. People aren't just falling down of a carbon monoxide poisoning jet. No aaron. all. Exactly dumbest thing i've ever seen by. Let's play this mask mask one on pbs. That's the main way people get sick. Someone who's infected breathed out the virus and someone who's healthy breathes it in dr lindsay mar at virginia tech studies airborne transmission and she says the corona virus can travel on small airborne droplets or even smaller aerosols. Droplets are large visible droplets. That fly out of her mouth when we're coughing or talking aerosols are really just smaller droplets microscopic and we release hundreds of those for every one large droplet that might come out but according to aaron bro mosh who researches immunology and infectious disease at umass dartmouth not everyone who's infected spreads the virus the same way or in the same amount and we know that some people have a lot more virus and it's not just twice amount it can be a one hundred thousand more virus inside their mouth. Boris in so those people were talking singing shouting breathing today. You have virus in your mouth this. Who are these experts. Please tell me very smart people. Because i want to ridicule them eventually can release a thousand times more of those viral particles into the air with these new mutant strains. It's not totally clear why they're more contagious. Only that they are this only reinforces the need for mask. Wearing numerous studies have now confirmed that wearing a mask can reduce the risk of transmission. But not all masks or created equally so virtually any covering of face will deal with those lodge droplets. Y- a handkerchief bandanna they all deal with those lodge droplets in roughly the same way but there is a big difference between the quality of the mosque being one and the ability to both filter the small little aerosols out on the way out and filter them on the way back in there still a great deal of confusion. About what kinds of masks offer the best protection in ninety. Five's consider tops but since they're still in short supply many say they should be left. Only for frontline healthcare workers ninety four masks like these made in south korea or a good substitute and while they can be found online. There are reports of fake and counterfeit swirling around. So what's the consumer to do. Bothers me about all these reports is. They're not talking about massacre. No mass the efficacy of any mass. Now now they've convinced us to argue about which mask and how you wear it this this this this truly is but dumb you think yeah and the worst part is is that now all of a sudden this. I think that the public really is distasteful is the contradictory information. Yes we heard in the lack show and to show before all these guys. Now we got all be hooked up with end ninety five and get faced scars now. This is the most recent episode here and it says well you know maybe ninety five should be only for the people working in the hospital right. Which is what it was initially to was right. Yeah and so. Can they make this so these surgical masks the blue surgical masks. These are really the surgeons once and they throw them away and what makes them blue. And i know. I'm talking to the right. Guy is f e also known as polly tetra. Floor ethylene fluor ethylene. It and which i'm sure is perfectly safe to wear the mask once. But if you're if you're hawking and breathing and slime ing and snoddy in this mass please tell me your problem. Please tell me that the ptsd detrimental to your health. I don't know that okay. it's basically teflon. I guess well the idea is. There is a coating on that surgical masks. Which is Pdf it's it's not. I don't say what it is. It's designed to create electrostatic charge. So the little p- aerosols in anything else. Just get caught up in the webbing somehow. That's right blue stuff. That's what the blue stuff for. Maybe someday supposedly these are electrostatic Masks i thought i heard this. I don't know the details but that's where you need to get the electrostatic. That tastes scare this. And then you get a boost call. I don't know what the whole thing's a bogus. Especially if we listened to the beginning of the show where this woman says. Hey there are treatments to catch it you get a couple of drugs or good and forty eight hours. You'd go back to work. Can't have that cat have that that's not doing. The business of we have. Four hundred thousand dead is on the some body when nigeria has like sixteen hundred or something along those lines because they get the sunday sunday biggest. Ever just taking this stuff is. There's a reason for us having so many dead and it's not because we're got lousy medicine here part of this. Unfortunately there aren't any standards for masks right now. Those are coming but it's going to be several months. In the meantime what we know is that tightly woven cloth works better than loose. We knitted cloth. Two layers is better than one. Three layers is even better. As long as it doesn't inhibit you from breathing easily. can't breathe. Who is this woman speaking. Who is she she some expert from college. That's been studying aerosol disbursement if you really want to upgrade your masks the thing to do is to look for a mask with a pocket or middle layer where you can insert a filter. Things like a mattress. A high efficiency air filter were very bell blocked. Ninety nine percent of particles choose to use a surgical type mask which filters really well but probably doesn't fit so well especially around the sides and to layer a second mask on top of that like a tight fitting clock mask to help improve the fit and reduce gaps. That way you get both good filtration and a good fit one of the things that i think so difficult for people as they go to shop for a mask and it's very hard to assess quality or whether or not something that is a surgical masks were claims to be one is in fact one so we want to look for a certification seals if we are actually buying say surgical massively a. s. m. rating one. Two and three. A three is the best that you can get in regards to surgical masks and then the fda actually has a website that shows true from false fake from from real ones if masks or the first layer of protection. the second one is distancing. We've heard this mantra four months. Avoid crowds as much as possible. And if you're around others stay six feet apart but six feet isn't some magical number. It really isn't a magic number. I mean it's the closely you the more risk that you have the analogy which is not perfect. But it's a. It's a way that you can sort of think about it in your head is if you're standing right next to a person smoking a cigarette. You're going to be inhaling a lot of that. It's the same with the virus. So six austin it's easy for people to visualize sixty eight. I love that. Let's compare standing next to someone with covid as standing next to a smoker on. I have a smoking clip for this was a gem by the way very good I had something about smoking Before you want to mention they did comment in that report. Were the i says. People are confused when shopping for a mass movies. Honey let's go shopping for what shopping for a mask. Go to costco and stock up. We need all kinds of you. Know what we're let's go to gucci and find a mask for you girl make you hip and fly. It was the smoking thing there's more fallout from the pandemic. americans are smoking again. After years of declines rules were steady last year as people. Staying home lit up more often. Yeah baby congratulations. America one last clip in his group called mask saturday. This came this was actually yesterday. This came out. The centers for disease control and prevention is requiring masks to be worn on all forms of public transportation. Starting monday night. The order applies to passengers and crew members for all forms of travel within the united states. But also when travelling into or out of the country the rule also applies to transportation hubs like airports and train stations. The order follows an executive order from president. Joe biden last week that required masks on airplanes and on federal property. The mask mandate comes. As on average confirmed infections deaths in hospitalizations all continue to fall in the united states compared to two weeks ago. that's according to data compiled by the new york times. Today maryland became the second state to report a case of the south. African corona virus carrying south carolina reported the first use cases on thursday in a statement. Maryland's governor said quote. The individual has not traveled internationally making community transmission likely nearly twenty-eight million doses of cove nineteen vaccines have now been administered. According to the cdc on average about one point three million shots are being given each day. I have some clips that i think complement. This as we move into the as we move into vaccinations so let's start with south africa for a moment. This is abc to people in. South carolina are the first known americans infected with a highly contagious variant from south africa. And and i'd like to have some consistency in your clip. They were talking about the mutant strain in south africa. And this is still. I guess deemed as the variants highly contagious variants. That patients have no travel history or connection to one another maintaining social distancing wearing the masks is now even more important because the virus mutates each time it makes copies of itself it has a chance to mutate further. There's no evidence that the variant causes more severe disease but this morning one drugmakers. New data is raising concern. Novak says its vaccine which is in a late stage. Trial was nearly ninety percent effective during a study in but in south africa where nearly every case contains the troubling new. Novak says its vaccine was only forty nine percent effective. We have to keep an eye out on this. We have to be able and we are already doing it of being able to modify for the future attleboro the next for the future the vaccine so that maybe you'll have to give someone a boost cover these new variants boost because it's so damn effective and this is all over the place. You gotta have the boost. We gotta do something we've got. I mean it's a variant. I'm telling you vouch. You gotta save us. So we know now from this study namely the j. j. and the novak's study that antigen variation i e mutations that lead to different lineage do have clinical consequences because as you can see even though the long range effect in the sense of severe disease is still handled reasonably well by the vaccines. This is a wakeup call to all of us that we will be dealing as the virus uses. Its devices to evade pressure particularly immunological pressure that we will continue to see the evolution of mutant so we said we as a government policy all of us that are in this have to be nimble to be able to just adjust readily to make versions of the vaccine that actually are specifically directed towards whatever mutational millions. Actually travelling at any given time are so. I guess we're gonna make a window. C. e. version and all different i o s and. We'll have the mac os version different versions for these mutants. And now i mean when they first start rolling this out. Is you get your first dose than an after two weeks. Maybe three you get your second dose. Whatever you do do not be mixing and mingling with the pfizer versus the modern. Ah you got to have consistent. Which i've received so many emails from people who were not warned about this and almost made a mistake themselves but now it turns out that you can just go ahead and just mix it all up. Just you know it's like it's like a potluck really and i'm just gonna lay it out there like it is. I asked experts. I said listen. If you re looking for a vaccine would you make the effort to get pfizer. And madonna vaccine because it is more effective and they said absolutely. I want visor mcdermot. The numbers are better. But if i couldn't get it. I wouldn't hesitate to take johnson johnson because it is also quite good and let's take a look at the numbers that explain. What spain need moderate to severe covid. Johnson and johnson sixty six percents effective modern adviser around ninety five percent effective. That is different. When you're looking at preventing severe cases keeping people out of the hospital keeping them out of the office of a ventilator keeping them alive johnson and johnson was eighty five percents effective madonna pfizer one hundred percent or nearly one hundred percent effective so again bottom line if you can get johnson johnson and you can't get the other to get it you can always see about getting fuster madrid later that there's no reason kicks get both of them doesn't mean that you shouldn't one later on this you can. Here's here's the idea. Triple mask you triple vaccinate. It's not a problem. there's no reason. Go out get the j. j. Now you know and then get the modern throw in some Some pfizer and notice that what she saying is not your immune won't catch the virus no hundred percent. Certain you won't die from it when you get the covert after you've had the vaccine this this is. This is not a vaccine when you get covid in this report. She just said you won't be that severely sick because you had the vaccine so what is it. Sounds more like a treatment vaccine. And as you. John i have to hand it to you. You said we will see people standing in long lines. You said there'll be wrapped around the block then once again you're right and when you're right you're right over the past few video of lock lines like this. We've seen it for covid. Testing may be aligned to get the vaccine. This is not that no. It is not all of these. People are in line waiting to get their fix of chick-fil-a report our insane here from the ground us stats sky for. I am down here waving zoom on and just look at the pandemonium. He was his m fifty own. Why does detroit local news have this british guy doing the on the spot chick-fil-a news. I mean seriously. That's america for you ma'am. Hey hey. there's a line there's a line let's get it get it quick. Luckily luckily luckily luckily. Luckily we're getting to the bottom of all of this goes back to your your first clip about the naming of the virus. We all know that it was racist to say the wuhan flu or the china virus because the mainstream media was told by china to tell us that. And now we luckily we have investigations going on on the ground. The world health organization organization finally allowed to go in and investigate the origins of this deadly flu and subsequent pandemic the bbc reports. I think one thing. That's pretty crucial is. There's been a bit of misunderstanding. I think what this team is going to do. Then not really gonna be doing their own research. They're going to be examining what the chinese scientists already have and then looking at what's missing. I mean how do we get to the bottom of what caused this. Virus does new research. After we commissioned something along those lines they'll be then putting together a report and moving on from there. What they want be doing is in two weeks telling us we've found out the cause of the corona. Boris stressed to us out complicated. This is it's a very difficult Thing to work out. It's going to take time. maybe even years. And frankly asked this all just to white and see what they come up with other scientists visiting the laboratories that some people the virus might originally have escaped from in short. No they see the lab leagues theory as conspiracy theory really and some solid reason. Nice ice onto greece's and they wanted me gone down that path. What they're looking at this logic origin of the virus in other words the question which animal possibly come from maybe a bat say into another animal and then finally into human beings how that could have taken place when they're even saying it could have come from a bat overseas or even a person in our country and that the virus entered wuhan somewhere else. That's a very contentious thing for them to said because the chinese government has been really pushing this line. That reno probably came from overseas mean one foreign ministry official even said it definitely come from overseas definitely came from overseas came from italy. Yeah of course. America from a lab that just coincidentally as is well known no since fouled. She works there A lab working on corona viruses stat lab. That's one of their special. Where's where where people got sick in november. Yeah there's no. There's no chance of that. He couldn't have been not even download. Waste time going down. That road So on the death numbers by by the way. Show me the animal. Yes yes indeed. South park did tangle and we know we know exactly what went down People there are people dying. No doubt i think now that all the numbers are starting to be analyzed. A little bit. We see that the majority of deaths were really Over seventy years. Old the majority. And i think the largest set of that was probably eighty plus and was a lot of nursing homes and a lot of places where You know a flu and influenza of any kind or cold could kill Residents to this is one video and it's You can look at the whole video in the in the show notes. This is a certified nursing assistant who works in a nursing home so this is not a doctor Is someone who you know is really there to help the patients with their everyday needs and make sure they you know they do take their regiment of medicines etcetera and the it's paid candy stripers really the way i see it but they are certified so they have. They have credentials to do this. And this is one of them. Would just heartbreaking heartbreaking. What the vaccine is doing to His patients in his nursing home as a cna who works with the residents. Who touched them. Who talks will pray with them. Who cares for them. Okay i'm coming from this angle. I know my patients. I know you're happy. Windy or sad or frustration. I know india feeling good. I know these people around them for eight hours and many people who can testify this inveighing. We know the people that we care for two weeks. After his people received the vaccine particularly the pfizer biotic vaccine. I am seeing this pattern this pattern of snap side effects to the point where we had people who were once walking who are no longer walking. People were on stalking get are people who are ones able to think coolangatta think properly delirium confused our residents dying. Our residents are dying after they have taken this vaccine and what troubles me about troubles me. This is not even being spoken about what bothers my heart. He's like don't talk about this. Just keep quiet this. I think this is happening a lot. Well let's ask the question that needs to be asked okay. We did a report. I think it was two or three shows ago where that the nursing home in norway. I believe it was yes. They gave everybody a shot and twenty six people drop dead regular side effects regular side effects. Nothing to be worried about nothing and then they said if you recall i sure do. We should not be giving a shot to anyone over eighty. Oh i think it's already down to sixty five now. I'm hearing well. They said then after they killed twenty six people. We should not give the shot to anyone over eighty. We won't have this issue. And so meanwhile i showed it in the news. Hank aaron over eighty gets shot is one person after another. I think they're just trying to kill off the old people. Well they're not succeeding with everybody. Richmond stephen lynch has tested positive for the corona virus. His office says that he was tested after a staff member in his boston. Office tested positive. This is interesting. lynch had been vaccinated. His staff says he received his second dose of the pfizer vaccine even before attending president. Biden's inauguration right now lynch's asymmetric congressman is self quarantine So he's not sick but he tested positive after the after the vaccine is crazy. How does this work. i don't understand. it doesn't seem like anything i've ever witnessed before when it comes to. Vaccines just doesn't seem to doing it. The right way. And since it's killing people over eighty bringing the military to help them out. I mean shouldn't be active duty. Troops in addition to national guard members giving outshot. Cnn has gotten a look at a draft agreement between the pentagon and fema calling for the military to ten thousand troops to help vaccinate around four hundred fifty thousand people a day and luckily came up in the press. Briefing jen psaki. Oh wait i. I promise you go ahead. Female with requested Active-duty troops be be used at vaccination centres stood up across the country because the white house did askar team about this. See you or someone else made us about this the other day and i think i have something on share one moment. Thanks your patients lots to say about but so let me let me. Let me talk to our team about it. I know. I've seen that request from team. Obviously part of our objective is ensuring that we have vaccinators on the ground. That's all you're asking about but also the ability to move materials and move vaccines so we are tapping into any resource. We can But it's more predominantly focused on kind of a health and medical corps a not the ability to get those people into communities. But i will. I will check with our team and get you some more specific. It's impossible for her to say. I'm sorry i don't have the answer. She can't do that just to take a minute to flip through her tabs because she has no knowledge. She's a tab reader. i'm tabar. She's never not. You mentioned it. It's a good point. She can never say. I don't know of any of them ever say i don't know her. Way is saying circle back from the wall street. Journal europe's vaccine plans are unraveling amid a shortage of doses. Doses that is raising concerns about the continent's ability to immunize its most vulnerable populations and reopen its economy in the near term in the latest blow for the continent advisors to the german government warned on thursday that astra zeneca vaccine should not be given to people over the age of sixty four because of a lack of data about its efficacy. In this new group makes you just want to have it all. Doesn't it see what else do i have on thing age barrier exist. I mean what's the jersey sixty would sixty four. Whatever they said seventy what changes so much your retirement age when you stopped working. I think they should be give. It would take a lot of people off the dole. Put them in. The ground helps a lot of things to save social security. I think there's something up now going back ten months ago even a little bit earlier than that. We all discovered that there had been a kind of like an exercise. A table read. It was a multiday Exercise called event to a one which included john hopkins bloomberg school of medicine The gavi the gates vaccine guys the world health organization partners and they ran this scenario pretty much. Exactly what we're witnessing right now. And although if i'm sure if you say that now you're crazy conspiracy nut job as a. We should really be happy that they did that. Otherwise we'd all be dead. We wouldn't have even had had this good so imagine my surprise when across my podcast or desk comes the twenty twenty. Five twenty twenty-eight spars pandemic it's nice. Pdf too beautiful folder with a new version of an ugly ass thing on the front so they've pre drawn the virus that is going to kill us. It's called spars s. p. a. r. s. and. This is a futuristic scenario for public health risk communications from the johns hopkins center for health security and all the usual suspects are in there doing the same type of exercise for this new new crisis which will be called. Spars can't actually find a word for the acronym in tire document. But it's really worth reading because they start off right away with. How are we handling the communication and the media. And how do we get people out of the year. It is possible future and twenty twenty five the echo chamber unbridled global access to information coupled with social fragmentation and self affirming views worldviews. We're going to have to teach everybody the is in this group. They're setting up their setting up another one or at least getting ready for it with lessons. Learned from this exercise. So let me give you. The samaritan that needs to be learned is if some smart lawyers get together and just sue the pants off of everyone they can this is. This is a pathetic situation. I just wanna read the scenario environment than everybody can go read this for themselves and this is right on page two. In the year twenty twenty-five the world had become simultaneously more connected yet more divided these guys. So good nearly universal access to wireless internet in new technology including internet accessing technology. I a t thin flexible screens that can be made. They've made an acronym internet accessing technology and that put in parentheses. At refrigerator yeah. Here it is i-. At thin flexible screens that can be temporarily attached to briefcases backpacks or clothing and used to stream content from the internet. What did this is going to be in. Twenty twenty five. This is the scenario pie. Won a screen on my backpack stream the internet so this has provided for the means of readily sharing news and information however many have chosen to self restrict the sources. They turn to for information often electing to interact only with those with whom they agree. Podcasters this trend has increasingly isolated clicks from one another making communication across in between these groups more and more difficult from the government standpoint. The current administration is led by president. Randall archer who took office in january. Twenty twenty-five hey. Hey joe's out. I guess another served as vice president under president jacqueline senate who served from twenty twenty two twenty twenty four who did not seek a second term due to health concerns holy crap. These people are writing complete fiction risky to write fishnets five years out and it's not even four years out for years you're asking for trouble. Yeah you can have it thrown in your face just listened to some of this stuff. These people are completely delusional. So they're talking about how to communicate the us department of health and human services food and drug administration increasing adopted diverse range of social media technologies including long existing platforms such as facebook snapchat and twitter as well as emerging platforms like zap q a platform that enables users to aggregate an archive selected media content from other platforms and communicate with cloud based social groups based on common interests and current events. Wow they should start a silicon valley company. They shouldn't be in the health care. So if you want that kind of fiction go ahead. And the spars pandemic scenario from johns hopkins super guys. Good work i mean. Should we just be on the lookout for that to happen now and when the lawyers get a hold of this what do you think what do you think the lawyers can really stop anything. I have the guy in holland you got. Look into that guy. Who's taking it to the hague. Oh yeah yeah yeah stuff like. I mean it's this is this is that should the youthful hague go to the. The hague is the hague. But it's it this. This seems actionable to me. You can't do what they've done can't shutdown just arbitrarily. It turns out shut down businesses and open them up with and not show. Why like a newsom just did reopening it up. I can't say why just gonna do it. i love it. I love it. I love it. It'll keep us In a job for a little bit long well. There's no doubt about that. I have one last cova clip which is the covid. Nineteen second clip the covert gloss over from pbs. I'm more contagious. Version of covid. Nineteen from south. Africa has arrived in the. Us with two cases confirmed in south carolina. The nation's cova death toll has past four hundred. Thirty two thousand and the attorney general in new york state reported nursing home deaths were undercounted by up to fifty percent. We're let's do that one more time. It's only one thousand nine seconds the most important one thousand nine seconds in news information gathering. You'll receive today a more. Contagious version of covid. Nineteen from south. Africa has arrived in the. Us with two cases confirmed in south carolina. The nation's cova death toll has past four hundred thirty two thousand and the attorney general in new york state reported nursing home. Deaths were undercounted by up to fifty percent up. So how does that work. Do we have more dead counted the wrong people at four hundred and thirty two plus one hundred thousand that we didn't count or what it what it amounts to i forgot how many were i think there are ten thousand counted dead. What they did with it turns out they do under a un investigation and all of this because a cuomo who then prescribe the the the history books to make cise. He didn't do this by pushing. Cova infected people back into the nursing homes. Is that if you were in a nursing home in you died in the nursing home of covid. Yeah that's one if you're in a nursing home and you got sick. They took you to the hospital. Then you drop dead s. To cow tow really a half of the deaths would second second style so they took him to the hospital and then it didn't count as a nursing home. Death had counted as a hospital death. Yes so we still got there on on route. That's not an ambulance ambulatory death. It's hospital death okay. Well it's nice to know. I mean if you're counting dead people well yeah how. Many people die a year in the united states. Three million remember still still three day all right anyway amidst all of this amidst multiple vaccines amidst all of these things people opening up our the school's gonna open up. I don't think are they still pushing back with with the teachers. Union teachers unions. Keep it from having but there's a lot of private schools that have opened up and there's a lot of smaller schools that have opened up to schools have opened up here and there. It's not being tracked much. Because they keep the teachers unions cut to keep a lid on that Catalyzes the whole thing befuddling to me. Because here you know they finally let people eat outside again after deal trying to put everyone out of business and then meanwhile in florida and in texas in your neighborhood everyone is normal were last night the keeper and i went out to dinner. Little date saturn. I'd go insight into an indoor restaurant in the. Es in fact we went to the same restaurant we went to the minute. We were allowed to eat after the initial two week locked out. Which was the lowest in win. The long embraced april april. The lonesome dove in another. They still have less capacity of tables. I would say But it's it's probably seventy five percent Lots of people in the restaurant. The city was buzzing. It was we had to hunt around for parking spot. The big differences Austin is open and the gay street on fourth holy moly. They got the lights blair. And every every every Every dance club is open. I is open for business. We are the superspreader city of the south. Hey the entire state of florida's been that way for quite some time. I think the horowitz grouses about it. I'm not. I'm not don't he doesn't grouse about it. He's happy to get out. I made the mistake the other day when i was talking to him saying. So you get in the vaccine. You seem like a guy will get the vaccine. He's like what do you mean. Sorry no very defensive. Well he doesn't need the vaccine or does covert the vaccine after getting it. That means the vaccines good now. Didn't let's switch gears. I think we've done enough on the covid now. It's nice to do an hour about this. That's all it takes. really debunk. All this crap sorry coded pays the bills now. I i think a couple of weeks ago. I mentioned that. I've been working a lot of these blood. The bitcoin people who are predominantly men. Twenty five to thirty years old and i was trying to come up with a name for him. But they are pretty much millennials. It is a a section of millennials who are breakout. And i believe this. And i and i want to help the millennials reclaim their name and turn it into a positive because he only say millennials is kind of derogatory. Not as far as i'm concerned but if you feel that way we feel that way when you say the millennials it's kind of like saying the gays it's it's just seen as like hey who you it's like when someone calls you boomer. It's the same thing now. I am a common not common. I've never i think been called boomer once you need to get out more get out. It's not people. Oh there goes one anyway. It's not about you so the This group has. I think we've witnessed a historic moment kind of like an outbreak of sanity. We've been we've had many millennial producers on the show were fantastic and some of them have been listening all throughout their all throughout their puberty into adulthood. So we know that this is not. It's not really a generalized thing. But we have over a under-informed oversocialized people out there and that move more into the zimmer's but now we have this this very specific age group which i've been delighted to be working with and i and i know i told you about. You know why they're in. Bitcoin is because they feel they've been screwed by the system since birth born during the gulf war. The nine eleven must have been pretty confusing when you're eight years old anthrax Then we invade the wrong country then the big two thousand eight where they saw their parents. Everyone you know everyone lost jobs. Lost houses the real financial hardship. Which never really was fixed and then fast forward. We're in the corona shut down so there's a group of An age group that is pissed about what what they would presume their parents or the boomers or whatever have done and this is. I think what has happened with this game. Stop i wish is not over. Is they've actually done the impossible. They've united themselves collectively in united a little bit of america. I don't think there's a single person who isn't well no. There are the third wall street guys. But in general i think the whole world is kind of thinking gives a crap. Get those guys. Would you agree. Everyone's kind of liking this. I you know. I'm so detached from it. At least the things. I work on or even care about is this game. Stop story and it's to me. It's something we don't talk about much on this show anymore. It something of of the distraction of the week. I disagree and i've obviously well. I've spoken to a lot of people since our last show. And i wanted to give you my report. Let's see if we can come up with something i. It didn't take very long. As i think we discussed on the last episode didn't take very long for the mainstream media to call them exactly what we thought they'd call them. The reason the market is doing what he's doing. This people sitting at home. Getting checks in the government k. And this fair share is bullshit. Concept is just a way of attacking wealthy people and you know. I think it's inappropriate going work together and again. That's just random. Cnbc sounds like someone's angry or the going after rich people. Oh no. Here's the former sec. Commissioner what's her name. Her name is laura unger. He really puts a lot of questions about the integrity of the market. And it really kind of everybody's scratching their heads over this what what should happen. What what is the right thing to do to control this or stop this. Not unlike what we saw in january six that the capital. Right if you don't have the choice in there at the right time things go a little crazy. And that's kind of feels like what's happening with this much different much lesser degree. It's financial harm not personal bodily harm but but certainly that's the same kind of you know. Platform created frenzy. That people are operating under these are. These are very trying times very trying times. So this is the same people at the capitol. You know if you look around you. You'll stumble pretty quickly on these are the insurrectionist. These are the terrorist are trump supporters. Nazis they hate the jews. All these stories start to flow together. But there's something completely different going on and to the to the man. I don't know any women in this but to the man who have participated in this they they have kind of mean themselves into Into a place where there whole media lives have influenced this moment Particularly with the memes. And i would say that most people who are involved in this game stop short and it's and it's a lot more it's Am the amc. In fact I think now fifty companies who may possibly be targeted for a short squeeze. They understand that as long as they don't sell. Then eventually you know it's like the mexican stand-off eventually someone has to give. And you're looking at several hedge fund companies who may be down anywhere. I've heard wild estimations from five billion to seventy seven zero billion and collectively. That may be six or seven million of the Of the millennials. Who are holding onto. Maybe you know what they say. I got my steamy check. I put my six hundred dollars in and they will take the loss. This is what people understand. They will never sell this. They will take the loss they feel. This is their stand at the memes. Are everything from braveheart. To a game of thrones. I thought this was the most Explanatory if you've never seen miserable well. This song is exactly what they're talking about. Go to the barricade stand will never put down. We'll never we will never give up the fight and this is the scene where they're all singing songs. The song of angry men. These are memes going around. My favorite is the actual instruction manual how to screw over the bankers from the nineteen eighty film trading places where that murphy margarine college. You can't expect us to know the rules of the exchange mister duke. All accounts to be settled at the end of the day's trading. without exception. you know perfectly. Well we don't have three hundred ninety four million dollars in cash nine. I'm sorry boys but the brothers seats exchange for sale at once seized all assets of duke. And did you commodities brokers as well as personal holdings up randolph and. More do where. There's an outbreak investigation. Sell our seats or sitting out of this five. This occasion us mortem brothers. Not well probably better call an ambulance campus. Now you listening to me right now get those brokers here charleena's machine back on charges off by saying i don't know the depths of how far these shorts go but when you have hedge funds supporting other hedge funds with billions of dollars and you see. The share price is still way above closed above three hundred dollars. This is not over and they will not sell. They will die on their trades. They will not get rid of this. And it's something that. I don't think most people understand and i am loving this because this is what i think. It's a logical follow on from the d platforming. I think you. And i have somehow been part of this. You have made a career of demeaning corporations in their overlords. And i think a lot of these people. This millennial generation might have grown up reading back page or to. The you wrote could be so. I think there's influence and if so i'm super happy about it But they figured out the game. Are you happy or super happy. I'm super happy about it. Yes because this is. This is change and this has changed not driven by political party. Dick the kind of a political. There's not really what i mean by. United is not a left or right. I think there's a lot of bernie supporters. i'm sure there's a lot of maga- people But even Some of the kids closer to who are definitely not not even bernie. They love it. They things fantastic and they will do. They'll they'll buy three hundred dollars worth to get one share to be a part of it and from what i understand. The next move is going to be silver which also a heavily manipulated market and they may if if if they start buying up Silver and demand physical delivery. Which i think is the way. They're trying to move. That could get pretty ugly. So is in the middle of this which you and i've been warning since twenty seventeen that it's a piece of crap and it stealing what we were saying. The time is stealing kids weed and skateboard money. Because they're not really giving you a spot on the on the trading floor they. They're front running it. Through in fact one of these hedge fund companies. That is in trouble right now. So robin hood has mancial issues. In because they they have all these people holding these shares They have no liquidity. And so now. This is what we'll see on monday where we thought. Oh yeah it's just Just a couple of things. No they're going to go and limit. Fifty stocks for the robinhood trading platform robinhood again limited. The amount of shares that customers can buy four certain stocks. We've got a couple. New names added to that list beyond me starbucks. Gm's not the names that we've been talking about you. Think of game. Stop for example. There are now fifty names in total on that list. I just spoke to robin hood. It's not entirely clear why they're adding names like starbucks. They did say that this has to do. With volatility they're monitoring monitoring stocks by the name. They're looking at each stock and see if it fits a certain criteria. We don't have a lot of detail on exactly what that is. They say it is a fluid situation and they are updating their blog posts but again the list of restricted stocks now includes fifty names for everyone. Who's listening and fried. What i see in the troll room is this is not about trading. It's not about a market People are posting world. They're gonna lose. They're gonna lose everything. Yeah that's the point that prepared to it's very interesting movement. I love following this. I'm really proud of with the millennials are doing. I'm on your side. diamond hands. Baby go for it going all the way to the white house apologies. If you answered this in response to steve's question. But i just want to be clear here is do anticipate. President biden to address the game. Stop controversy when he meets with his economic team a little bit later this morning. No addressing it publicly just talking about it with his team well. The focus of the meeting is about the recovery plan about the status of the economic recovery. About obviously the data that we saw yesterday. I'm sure they'll cover a range of topics during that meeting but that's not the focus. I know it's a big story but doesn't you know. Obviously the our focus and our big story is getting the american people back to work I don't know if the fact that jen sakis brother Works at citadel was a portfolio manager would have anything to do with dismissive attitude in the answering of that question but she should perhaps recuse herself when it comes to this. She looks pretty foolish when she does that. I have one more story about this from. Abc all of this market frenzy began when amateur traders banding together. An online chat forums like read it to boost the stock of struggling video. Game retailer game stop and overthrow wall street hedge funds who were shorting the stock betting that game stop would fail the amateur traders helped fourche to the works percent costing the hedge funds more than five billion dollars. One hedge fund had to be bailed out by other firms billionaire investor. Leon cooperman says pumping up stock prices like this amounts to plane with fire own ends and the bigger question is when does he went on to comment on. The current market conditions and those who claim billionaires aren't paying their fair share in taxes after raking in so much cash from these companies. Reasonable is doing is doing people are sitting at home getting government and this fish share is a concept is just a way of attacking wealthy and i think it's inappropriate to work together and paul together but jamie ragas zinke. Who started the at page wall street bets. Says there's a reason. His page has attracted millions of small-time investors. You make money right. No no no game. Yeah so this is the type report you'll see over and over again. It's not about money very funny saturday. Night live but now it's not about the people walking around with the with gold. Diamond studded rolexes. That's not what this is about. So i want you know that this Gen xer with boomer tendency rising is on the side of this. I'd love this. And i understand why you didn't wait. You said you said you know you far away from it but man. I just kind of stumbled into this. And i'm glad i did. And it's not about the trading it's about screwing wall street as hard as they can. And i think we might be at that time in the internet's evolution. It's not gonna be read it. There's so many places. The millennials have learned to organize it. They're showing their teeth. This is just the beginning. Well one of the names. You mentioned earlier braveheart We know how that ended. Yes but that's they're not in it to win the money that's point obviously and that's the way it's gonna end. They're gonna lose their asses. Yeah but will they collectively We'll see just throw money away. I mean i think that's fine. I don't know that as a wise thing to do other things to do with your time. okay so i've l. o. l. z's lawal's about this whole thing. Yeah yeah okay. So i've run up to stock. And i've screwed this hedge fund guy don't like and nobody likes to hedge fund guys and Fantastic i think it. You put your money toward feeding the homeless. It would've been a better investment personally by. Okay knock yourself out all right. I'm just identifying this as the beginning of something very big we'll see yes very very big. I'm excited about it because you'll kick no. I think. I think this is game changing. I think it's game changing for as much as everyone bullshits. Moans and groans about wall street and how they've been ripping us off a bunch of people. A nice group decided to do something about it bill and they didn't have anything better to do that. Been home for ten months with no job and they came out of college probably with no prospect with a piece of paper and a thirty thousand dollar job waiting for him. Yeah yeah. I think that's what happens. Big giant debt s. What yes. i think. That's what happens when you put all those elements together and you give them the internet and you say look. Here's a bunch of memes to hype you up. Yeah yeah and here's an instruction manual s into building young currency over there. You know how it works. Go ahead and screw those guys know. We'll see i'm this will be my beat. And i look forward to covering and returning the millennials to their positive name is a spear need couple horns on your head if that's what it takes. I'm in all right to look forward to the next report. Sure some great opportunities ahead for people who wanna make money and without. I'd like to thank you for your kurds. 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Thank you for your time. Your talent specifically your treasure in the no agenda buddy familiar model is this. We go out people in the mouth. I i got a little davos douche bags report. Ooh davos douchebag. Yes the davos douche bags they're week is on. It's a lot more fun than previous years. Because they've gone completely nuts. They've gone completely nuts. They're completely virtual. So you don't no longer. Do you have to have cnbc on all day to catch the interview with one of leads and then you have to wait for you know the stage conference now. It's all packaged together. It's all done on Online you can get the videos really easily. They've done something very dumb but it's fun for us is. They've hired youtubers to create the daily davos magazine. So you've got like and and i only just took one example of this From the first day. And i will do the next day's myself with a couple of quick clips but yes they have youtubers and they're paying them to go. Hi guys look what's going on in davos. Well this out the davos you're going through source to the biggest highlights of the dabbles agenda waging war nature and these throwing our life support system. Initially striking back. There is a very strong awareness. People climate change is an issue that must be dealt with as much clarity unions orienting us frost before the pandemic on an emergency circle levels have been draw anger into c b. So we've choices now. We'll take full front environment over new contract for. Will we say businesses use these flake. He's very own rewrote. The if you're like me sometimes hearing all this stuff can feel overwhelming and you know what to do but the thing is if we come together we can all do something. It's so important now. More than ever pay attention to so. If you're like me you found that a very unhelpful report. And why in god's name they think this is going to motivate anybody orb further. The davos agenda is beyond me so drugs were involved as i think so. I've broken up one of these dumb reports just to give you the quick sound bites Until you who they are as you get an idea of what the agenda is as we start with the party. Planner himself klaus schwab. We have to apply now on a global level as long as not. Everybody is maxine ignoble. We'd be safe okay. Just so you know. The message is as long as not as long as we don't have every single person vaccinated. Nobody is safe. Be netanyahu prime minister of israel. He knows what's up. We're in an arms race. An arms race. Between jackson nation and mutation the armaments oceans be more in the future. This is literally all. I have these people. The press. Obviously all kinds of problems with with with fake news and the press. This is on the agenda. She new enemies here. Conflicting pressures on moment is like the pandemic nurse. Populism populism is coming this misinformation that's driving agendas that are senior emil. We see all of this pressure on the past. And then we there's an information bankruptcy experiencing formation dan craftsy. Let's bring in the prime minister of the netherlands. Marcus mariota not looking good for the lowlands forty million people worldwide assured access to enough food is number as secretary secondly various crisis world's faced with not just research into climate change and biodiversity lesson. So we're all going to starve. Thanks mark Let's talk to the president of the european union. The the head honcho. The new lady the nina brink version to a von delaying. She's concerned about american technology. Companies business model of online platforms has an impact not only on free and fair competition that also our democracies are security and on the quality of our information and that is why we need to contain this immense power of the big digital companies to communicate only the things that we want them to communicate. How can you do a conference like this. How can you have a davos without bringing in the. Oh gee the big man to kick it off with. It's all really about. This is not about the pandemic people. You know what it's really about. We are now seeing a transition in the political world that may come to match the transition and technologies. we've seen in renewable electricity generation. We're seeing it in other sectors and now the liberal world. We saw a major new commitments by the european union by china by japan south korea and now the world appears to be close to a new alignment is going great. And if you need some star appeal mentioned who that was al gore. You didn't hear that was al gore. I know i could hear was al gore but it was. I have to say this. These guys are making a huge mistake putting out such shoddy sound horrible quality. It's it's and they've got music under everything and then they'd sit worse worse and then yes and then this final one. They brought in the celebrity power and they gave him the authoritative echo. That iron man deserves. I give you robert downey junior. I'm here to accelerate. Groundbreaking technologies are addressing this existential crisis. And i want to open up access by one you to feel that and i want you to participate. Never watching one of his movies again. Place the one character nowadays yeah. I'm not why it's what a bunch of schillt's so he's the worst thing they've ever done. This is gonna ruin their reputation because they're lost. They've lost the plot. I think so. And and i don't know who's producing. That's the question who comes up with this as as production ideas. I'm going to mention something. A little anecdote pleased about once the media lab in mit which is kind of taken down the wrong way by joey to- after his blessed for being kind of kind of but during the day where nick negroponte was running it. I got a tour of the thing and without having to sign off on it because it was always going there with the hearst corporation. I've told this story before. But they did they did have a presentation it on this one fact and i always thought it was interesting because people. Are you know you until the very end. You don't get kinda get it deep. They did a study on video screens and they had these video screens and they made people judge how sharp two screens were and one screen had was surrounded by normal. Sound not as bad as what. You just played And the other was signed by super high fidelity really sharp dynamite sound and without exception does greens that had the dynamite sound were always judged as being sharper and better and yet contrast between and they were identical screens. If you any television any good television producer. And certainly editors will know. It's all about the audio you can have really. I mean reality shows you can have the crappiest video as long as the sound is good. That's i think that's seventy percent of of the whole battle right there. Yes and this is fairly well known. Apparently and i said the word right the first time today maybe not Davos doesn't know this fact. No well if you if you give you give all your raw material to youtubers and you say put it together. Yeah i mean. It's the same thing as the doctor cat videos. They've got the dump sheds from the world health organization. They trained him at the un. They gave him a jackets and hoodies and at all were team halo and they go out there and they and they talk crap on. Tiktok this this is. Is you remember back in the world. Let's see when when youtube. I even a little bit before. That is youtube. Just coming up. i think we had. I don't know when the phenomenon started. But i still had my my my i was still at the becomes anything. New ideas and clients. Big clients would come up and they have meetings. Okay here's we want from you guys. We want a viral video. Yeah you remember. It's an old joke back but he did that. It's not a joke. It happened people would no. I'm saying people. I said that people actually did that. They would ask for a viral video. Yeah not understanding that. You can't do that well if you youtube you can. I give you kony twenty twelve but yeah in general. You can't do it. That's why the advertising agencies got bypassed and big branches went straight to youtube and said give me a viral video on youtube went okay. Don't you think the virus whole idea of back to davos oceanus prophetically playing. We knew that we knew that. No way that kony twenty twelve video. Get one hundred million views over now. It was a fail where somebody busted the algorithm there. there was a Someone tracked the likes and dislikes on youtube for the white house. Page and if you look at the grass. It's fantastic the you can see that. They chop the dislikes. The guy had a computer. Scripted will go in every eighty seconds. He would get the number from the youtube page of the likes versus the dislikes. And you see a typical curve of the much larger than the disliked but if the dislikes come up all of a sudden it's chop down and it just goes into a sawtooth. Almost a flat line with a sawtooth completely inconsistent with with the likes so they are from what i can tell if you look at the graphs. They are dragging the numbers of the dislikes on the white house. Youtube page as if somehow when their act when their customers when they're well they're not their customer but when their user say oh we don't like this and they hit the thumbs down someone is so maniacal all. We can't have that. We have to stop that. It could be maybe two percent could be thumbs down. We've gotta stop at and they do this and people believing these numbers. That's always the amazing thing to me really. That's what you think. Your numbers are who knows the cone. Kony twenty two whatever it was when he twelve was the best example of all is bullcrap following on your joy. Ito from the rem. It connect this to but Former cbs news executive producer. Craig unger has been out on a couple of podcasts. And he swears that he has seen epstein tapes from the confiscated. Dvd's on tape or dvd. And he why not. He claims that There's there's footage. I think of trump was two young ladies and he's got a stain on his pants. It's pretty rank. Have a listen showing around. A photo of trump with two young girls who were half naked and there was sort of an embarrassing stain on trump's trousers. You know the with suggestive. I got the impression we showing that photo around that there was an implicit threat that he may have dirt on donald trump and he may pull the plug if necessary but he never did today. You know they had videotapes of everybody. They claimed the mp's lane. Jeffrey epstein claimed is that potentially some of the compromise that russia has or well. That's right that begins brings up the saga of john. Mark dugan who was in the palm beach sheriff's department when they were investigating epstein in around two thousand and five and What are the investigators could see the pressure coming down on the investigation so he gave a small vault to do gun for safe. Keeping that contained dugan told Four hundred seventy eight. Dvd's that were apparently a sexual compromise. I'm gonna miss president trump. Why can't they find anything on somebody else. It's always it's always trump from come but they have proof. The tapes exist all those tapes of famous people including possibly possibly donald trump sitting there in in someone. Imprisons orbited the kremlin me one and i should say blackened lied very grainy he had i not going to say the name. He identified the manner shut. He did not wait stop. He identified trump. now he's not going to say the name of this other person know. Why do why do that now. I'm going to say the name. No no no. I can't do that. that'd be wrong. i'm not gonna say the name. He identified the manner shetty. Did i could not confirm the identity. But it was an executive in new york who made a lot of money. But wouldn't really excited his name wouldn't excite a lot of people okay so putin apparently has the goods. He has the four hundred eighty seven. Tapes house putin's relationship with the president. Joe biden and putin's fifth us presidency. He was one of the last world leaders to acknowledge biden. Won the election as biden vows to be tough on russia. The two spoke for the first time since the inauguration and we're told that they discussed arms control and ukraine in a number of other topics but for a preview of what to expect over the next four years. Here's one quote to keep in mind in evan. Osnos is biden. Biography biden described a meeting that he had with putin while in russia. Back in two thousand. Eleven quote mister prime minister. I'm looking into your eyes. And i don't think you have a soul and look back at me. And he smiled and he said we understand one another craft story. Cnn man what are you gonna do. That's all they got so they've got to this. Purge is still ongoing. Have you've been following. I think you were the first one to introduce us to marjorie taylor. Green merger taylor green. I believe so. And now. So i've been seeing this. This this story going around which came up last night about her Claiming that the california wildfires were set by jewish space lasers. Is this how you've heard it as well. No interesting. Well this is. The headline of the jewish space lasers let me see if i have a really more up your alley. Well yeah that's why. I i looked at it and well okay so last night. Saturday night live took it to a next new level. I didn't see it. I only got a couple of things this morning. So i just took the beginning and it's a dumb talk show where what's her name Kate mckinnon is interviewing different people from the last few week and she's got a game at a game stop shorter. Which of course is completely misrepresented. But she starts off with marjorie taylor green and even though it's meant as humorous if you listen to what she's saying. This is precisely what is being printed in mainstream publications and on Cable news channels. And i'll read you what she's actually said but let's say here saturday night live so it. It sounds like a joke. But this is being said over everywhere in specially msnbc. Our first topic is government. And already. I have my doubts. Joining us is a congresswoman from georgia. Who's been promoting cunanan. Fear theories. Please welcome marjorie taylor green thank you congresswoman. Green hard to say those words together. What are some of the theories you believe in an have been promoting hammerstein. He got very little first off. I believe the park land shooting was the house. The teachers were actors and the children were dolls. I believe nine eleven was hoax. Did anyone actually see it happen. The tomas supporters that they should physically murder nancy pelosi. She's this lady. I work live and this is a new one that just came out. I think that the california wildfires were caused by jewish spicer's are lasers in space but caused wildfires and the lasers identify as jewish. A real things you believe and tell other people about and you're a us representative you represent the us. People can go who you and it'll take all right so you get the idea. And it wasn't very funny you can hear people aren't really even laughing. They in fact they cheered. P davidson showed up as the game. Stop kid which is the opposite of the intent. But here's what she wrote in november seventeen twenty eighteen marjorie taylor green. Who is a freshman in the house of representative. She's not been in office before so this is not three years ago. Nineteen twenty two two years ago and this is what she posted as they are. now over. Seven people confirmed dead and over one thousand missing. The fires in california are her a horrific tragedy. I'm praying for all involved. I'm posting this speculation because there are too many coincidences to ignore. And just putting it out there. For some research. I've done stemming from my curiosity over Pg and e. stocks which tanked all. Week then rallied. Thursday night after california officials announced. They would not let pg fail. I find it very interesting. That roger kimmel who's on the board of directors of pg is also vice chairman of rothschild inc international investment banking firm. This she never says jewish but saying he's the vice chairman of rothschild inc international investment banking firm. I think is enough. I also find interesting. The long history of financial contributions that pg has made to jerry brown over the years and million spending lobbying. What a coincidence it must be. The governor brown signed the bill in september twenty eight team protecting pg and e. allowing pg need to pass off its cost of fire responsibility to its customers in rake heights and through bonds. It must also be coincidence. We've talked about this. That the fires are burning in the same projected areas as the seventy seven billion dollar high-speed rail project to be built which also happens to be governor brown's pet project and what are the odds that feinstein's husband richard bloom is the contractor on the rail project. Jeez with that much money we could build three. Us border southern southern border walls then. Oddly they're all these people who have said they saw what looked like lasers or blue beams of light causing the fires and they have pictures and videos. I don't know anything about it. But i do find it really curious that. Pg partnership with solarin is about space solar space solar generators starting back in two thousand nine. They announced the launch into space in march twenty. At and maybe even put Put them up before that space solar generators collect the sun's energy and then beaming back to earth to a transmitter to convert to 'electricity the ideas to make clean energy to replace coal and oil. There are beaming the sun's energy back to earth. I'm sure they wouldn't ever miss a transmitter receiving station right. I mean mistakes are never made anything. New was invented. Could that have caused a fire. I don't know i hope not. So what she doesn't say he's jewish lasers from outer space and this is now mainstream news and and and being made fun of and saturday night live when as far as i can tell she never actually said that. And okay the space lasers i can see where you get the space lasers but to throw in the jewish thing. You're just an asshole. Utah fucking asshole. I'm sorry pit. That makes me so mad when people do that kind of stuff to make her an anti semite and this is the result. We're we're taking a very. We're taking a scalpel when it comes to the resolution that were putting four to onto the floor. We're going to be very careful on. What why we're saying we're fascinating her to be expelled. I believe it's because of political of the violence. She instigated on january six. The direct threats to other members lives that she's done on social media. And i know it's not been during her time in office. She wasn't even in office yet. Representative jimmy so they've gotta throw around actually a ways off yeah. She's very very dangerous. So dangerous that l. on all mar. The squad wants booted out and she'd be in congress. The republican party not be the ones leading to remove her. They should be this person. As you've stated is dangerous and violent. She's not only post What many of us would would consider a threat against myself in many of my colleagues but she's harassed You know people with survived of violence. Children will survive violence in his lied about the debts of of so many children It's we've victimizing their families. And you know this is not somebody that should be In office You know someone said yesterday. Instead of being in congress prison needs to be on a watch list And if the republican party and its leadership it's not not going to do the work of removing her from congress. We must do it. Tough you ever in your in your life you. Can you recall this taking place in the in the. Us congress will the closest is al franken getting hounded out of his job as a senator. Yep no i can't think of any instances. I'm sure there's a sunday go back in history. Maybe not right but this is rampant. And the just like. She's like this horrible person. I don't know she seems like a hard nose but she doesn't take any crap but jeez well they're definitely altogether no doubt about that I should josh. I'd should make some at least mentioned this. The fires were in no way anywhere near where the high speed rail was supposed to go. I know we talked about that. Get that post from her twenty eighteen to three years ago. So this stuff about pelosi. She did do that tonight. Thousand nine hundred ninety nine or something some way back longtime ago. What she do she said. Pelosi should be shot some post. You can't just do that. Well she did it in fact Probably for this. I have a couple old clips How bad this is gonna come back by the way what we were gonna here is going to happen again in ninety ninety two. These are good for nineteen ninety-two. Congress was all in to to an extreme on global warming. And there're going. They'd some big conference came out of brazil. Saying you have have to do that and is mostly about agenda. Twenty one worse on board all the democrats and it was being. This was in george h w bush was president. He was kinda shining him on. He wasn't really pushing back on much. And so it got carried away. Nothing came of this but when you listen to. This is enough to frighten this. Earth summit thousand nine hundred. This is the us congress. from c. span should assume a strong leadership role and implementing the decisions made at the earth summit by developing a national strategy to implement agenda twenty one and other earth summit agreements through domestic policy and that by itself is a great little little nugget. How many times have we heard. People saying says Here man man or something like that. Yeah there it is right up front. Nineteen should assume a strong leadership role in implementing the decisions made at the earth summit by developing national strategy to implement agenda twenty one summit agreements through domestic policy and foreign policy cooperating with all countries to identify an initiate further agreements to protect the global environment and by supporting and participating in a high level united nations sustainable development commission pursuant to the gentleman from new york. Mister angle will be recognized for twenty minutes to the gentleman from michigan. Mr broomfield will be recognized for twenty minutes chair. Now recognizes the gentleman from new york mr speaker yield myself such time as i may consume monas- leave to revise and extend my remarks speaker. I rise in strong supportive. H conrad's three five three expressing a sense of the congress that the united states should assume a strong leadership role in implementing the decisions made at the earth summit in rio de janeiro developing national strategy to implement agenda twenty one and other earth summit agreements through domestic policy and foreign policy by cooperating with all countries to identify initiate further agreements to protect the global environment and by supporting and participating in a high level united nations sustainable development commission as amended. I now yield to the gentlewoman from california. Ms pelosi was sponsor to explain the resolution. The gentlewoman from california's recognized. I thank the gentleman for yielding. Thank you mr speaker. I thank the gentleman for yielding. in fact it is a very simple resolution which the gentleman has just mostly explained. I would. Mr speaker liked to take a moment. To thank chairman for sale. And mr broomfield mr yatra and mr be writer. The chair and ranking member of the subcommittee and the members of the foreign affairs committee for their assistance in a expediting consideration of this legislation The earth summit environmental leadership act. Is this presents us with an opportunity to follow up on the important work of the earth summit to develop its blueprint agenda. Twenty one for global environmental action. H congress three fifty three outlines a comprehensive national strategy for sustainable development in accordance with the principles of agenda twenty one to be coordinated under the leadership of a specific office and at the direction of a high level government official the resolution also urges the united states to identify initiate further agreements to protect the global environment and to support the creation of a high level united nations sustainable development commission headed by an undersecretary general third and lastly the president is urged to report to congress on the progress made on the With this action h conrad's three five three is supported by the administration. I have been contact with the appropriate offices of the state department. In have incorporated their suggestions into the resolution the seventy-one cosponsors in this Of this measure include one half the members of the foreign affairs committee and all of the House delegates to earth summit. It is also supported by the major united states non-governmental organizations concerned with environmental issues too. I did not know that there was so much discussion about agenda. Twenty twenty twenty twenty one and he's the sustainable development goals in nine hundred ninety two. Yeah wow now. I'm gonna give you. You need a clip of the day for that at minimum. Where did you find that. just out there on the c. Span's somebody clued me into it. And then i downloaded nice. Yeah this is part two. And they continue this Conspiracy about agenda twenty one and some of the things that were supposed to happen And h w seems said. Yeah yeah we should do all this new world order stuff. Well that was the new world order guy. He was the new world order guy. Yeah the bush's theorist summit presented world leaders with an opportunity. That should not be lost. We must now embark on a new course that will sustain our planet and its resources for the benefit of future generations. This resolution calls on the united states to assert its leadership to achieve this goal. I urge my colleagues to support this resolution. Thanks again to the members of the foreign affairs committee for the recognition of the importance and timeliness of this resolution. We make make the promise of rio. Rio a reality thank you. Mr speaker expired. The gentleman for mr mr speaker i yield myself as time has i s i need and i ask. Permission revise and extend. My remarks of the gentleman's recognized mr speaker. The i do support. This resolution which expresses the sense of congress with respect to implementing the decisions of the recent united nations conference on environment and development. And i do want to express in commend the gentleman from california mrs pelosi for her sponsorship of this important resolution mr speaker despite all the criticism of administration policy toward the summit. The fact is that the united states government made a very constructive contribution in rio and in the talks that led to the meeting in rio largely as a result of the conference that they adopted four major items the rio declaration on environment and development the lengthy action plan referred to as agenda twenty one the united nations framework convention on climate change and the non-binding binding but authoritive principles for the management and conservation of force resources. In addition the conference adopted the un biodiversity convention which the administration decided not to join at this time and this was due to turn to concerns about intellectual property and also the decision making and funding mechanism. The administration has already made a good beginning in implementing the results of the conference and this during the talks on climate the administration pledged seventy five million dollars for related projects in developing countries including the development of national plans. The president announced that the united states would have our own national plan on climate ready by the end of the year in order to start international consultations in january of nineteen ninety-three. Jeez that's gold. That's no gold right there man. That's gold i. I had no idea that agenda. Twenty one twenty. Twenty one was Was disgusting to that degree in open all in and now it's an republicans you don't hear anybody objecting to it. No and now if you even say agenda. Twenty one is like tin foil. Hat man simple. Hit as like the way i see it. Yeah somehow. The country dodged a bullet. Well let's see if we can do the same with the latest from your friends sarbanes. The main sponsor introduced to into the into committee. Hr one the four the people act of twenty twenty one. Have you seen this. Yeah we both. I think looked at it. I i've been reading it and realize that is going to go anywhere for one thing is eight hundred pages Yeah well that doesn't scare me. We'll no. I'm saying it scares them. No one's gonna read it. We're reading it. We're not in congress. Well yeah you're right. Last time i checked. I mean you know i. I can only drink so much. Here's here's the question i have for you. This is another one these monster bills and whenever it's for the people act you know what's going to happen people are going to get not for the you're gonna get up your ass what you can people here. It is but it's It's it's main sections. That i've says seen so far is voting campaign finance and ethics. And i don't understand they. They've they've written these hundreds of pages Voting rules which i thought was isn't that completely decentralized to the states is supposed to be state the the states determine this yes but zil is probably on constitute. That's what i was thinking. And you know Provision of election information by electronic mail to individuals Clarification requirement regarding ece information to show eligibility. There will be. You don't have to prove that you're voting. They're going to have male. Just wander up and vote you have malin an with dropbox all codified now into law if anything like this would ever pass which. I don't think there is fear there. Fear out there that when you get to the back end of this bill there's dollars. Ethics talk is going to sign off on larry's it's like you can't take a jet plane ride. You can't collect more than all. Here's a good one. That's in there. I forgot about this. One the If you spend more than fifty thousand dollars of your own money on a campaign ever oh right okay. So bloomberg's hoping would have been illegal. This is dead. I think as some sort of virtue signaling or threats. Well they already had something to. Something's important about this bill. But i don't know what it is. Okay well that is all right. I like that stance. We'll we'll have to find. What is it about this bill. That's important for them not to pass it but maybe carve out one individual piece for sure. I think that coming after money. How about that. Oh there's always that that's that's giving by donating to know agenda. Imagine all the evil who could do. That'd be we do. Have a few people think for show. Thirteen seventeen believes up. Thirteen seventeen area and roman i in new york city. One thirty three thirty. Three charles bennett. Mccall idaho. 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In the universe some parts of gitmo nation or opening up and people can get out But i think some people are just getting bolder in certain countries around gitmo nation and they are just going to the meet ups You can find them at no agenda meet ups dot com if you need to skate while you're doing you can just say that you're part of no agenda protests dot com those websites both work and we've had a number of reports come in from previous Recent meet ups. The first one is alex who i think is from italy. He organized a couple of meet ups around the e u his short report adama jalani. This is joy with miami and new york. Meet up report. Well miami was fantastic. We had two people. Plus me on whatsapp which are a little bit along and then we decided that nothing we just keep the place and new york was supposed to go to new york and then i decided to stick in a beautiful miami and let the sheets all new york sink so anyhow next sunday i'm gonna fly back to europe so i hope so when we come to europe and enjoy life and he go thank you very much for your service. I also like to say hello to the lady in netherlands rights. I'm not quite sure if he was posting this on tinder or tomita report. We had the drinking and scotty meet up all up. We're gonna live live by ataman john. This is sir. Cb coming in from the dallas house in saint croix falls wisconsin. Where we're drinking and scotty nuts is still locked down. We've got a good ratio of one. Two three four two one two three four five six seven eight four to eight so not too bad. We have three nights on board very excited about that for our first goal around. I'm gonna pass a phone around. Everybody can say hello. I'm katie i'm sur- cb's life. And i miss sugar mama. So i think that does not make me douchebag corridas root of the scooter clubs atom. I left my blade at home tonight. Eagle eye camp counselor at the build back better reeducation camps. Hey robbery for here hitting them out about a week ago and golden knights so i guess peter perpetual douchebag through cash over even know where at here i am corey i am at the dallas hosts have an awesome time. Thank you. I am about to come my knighthood of serb plane crash. I'm jodie and i'm a douchebag i'm tracy and i'm a douchebag but not furlong douchebag jake here saying poofter well here you go ahead of john opioid are meaner report from the dallas house We got some cash on the table. Be sending you guys soon. And i just wanted to say monica three one two three little long but thank you atlanta on in this is mark cancers we're at the local atlanta four zero four. Meet up. what is the date today. Saturday january thirtieth got it all right. I'm gonna pass it around. And real this joseph ma i meet up. But i'm not adduced bag dame jennifer we did the gypsy nation and fuck face diapers all right randy hickory. Flat double mass. This asserts spud the mighties greetings. Crackpot and buzzkill squire swan georgia's a blue state now. I feel pretty good. Maggie may and we are not wearing are sweaty snatch sacks. This is in the morning stay safe. John serve brighton and land. Four four hundred out. Thank you very courage before. I play the next. Do you notice that the women are cussing. This is a trend. Not quite sure whether women out of control. I know the last report is Probably the most professionally produced d. c. girl hosted the arlington meet up girl reporting from spook central harlington up in the morning stable to be lisa from annapolis morning. Bongo boy staying negative in the morning. This is a round and no agenda. Swine flu nate. Hi this is bob from an apple switching the new administration lots of this circus abraham and. I'm here. I was actually here early. Believe it or not producer. Karl member of the no agenda boys club. This is sir. William westerns trains planes bag. I know who caused just from listening to their voices. all i wasn't i wasn't trying to spot though you know chris abrahams totally totally. Listen listen. listen to his voice. Listen no agenda swine. Flu minute this is. Bob from an apple is coming. This is circus. Abraham exactly hear her spoke government tells a government issue that sound guy. He's got the spook sound that sound. Here's what's going on. The calendar february fifth bellingham washington vaccination marketing conference. Yes that's what we call them. These days the vaccination marketing conference at that will be held at gruff brewing as we do every year when we discussed the marketing. And that's at eight o'clock file also on the fifth houston hackers. At six o'clock at fis mexican. Cantina nin foss. I guess on the sixth of february bozeman belgrade montana at a bar three barbecue. Two o'clock ms time also on the six black knight big loafs agenda bash in the blast bela z. Two pm and the greater raleigh north carolina area and finally on february six love and light winter boston massachusetts meet up at the castle island brewery at two thirty eastern time. These are important for your sanity. Your mittler will love you forever and as you can tell people are having a good time dare i say somehow is a bit like a party. If you'd like to join one go to no agenda meet ups dot com if there's nothing near you my god woman stat. Run yourself. Sometimes you a de everybody just show isos Want to select something here. Do you have anything. Get nothing you got nothing. Well i've got this. We're being boiled like a frog. That one i have you got that one Have anything else no idea what this is. What assist us from from the trading places. You want clip you. Yeah i think this gives us. You can hear it clear Only have one left the might be left which which deserves some comments from as you play yours last or why don't we might not play mine at all. Really what do you got mice. Not funny among neither is mine. Gene mccarthy. She's always funny. She's got that brogue long. She'd been in the united states. Anyway as good at a clip this reopening. I have a question after this clip place. Reopening the aca. Let's look more closely now at the changes in orders. President biden announced today in healthcare as amnon avaz explains the moves are designed to expand coverage and reverse some of president trump's actions on abortion and family. Planning judy key part of one. Executive order signed today will reopen enrollment for the affordable care. Act what many call obamacare. Mr biden's other executive action will revoke the mexico city policy often known as the global gag rule that rule barred funding groups overseas that performed abortions or offer information about them covering all of this for the washington post is page winfield cunningham and she joins me now page. Welcome to the news hour and thanks for being here. We reported earlier in some of the details around those executive actions. Let's talk about the impact. Though on this. I move really opening enrollment. For the aca from february fifteenth to may fifteenth healthcare dot. Gov people know that site does not reach every state right. So how many people in who exactly is the biden administration trying to reach with this right well as you say they open healthcare dot gov there are more than a dozen states that also run their own marketplaces instead of using the federal website. And most of those states have also announced that they're going to be opening their enrollment for that time period limited time period. Going up to may fifteenth. And that's coming. Those announcements have come from california minnesota many of the large states that run their own marketplaces. So really. this decision is going to apply to the vast majority of people in the united states. And what's interesting about. This is a pandemic is the reason that the president is citing for doing this. But i actually think the bigger impact is going to be around the timing of this for years tax. Experts have actually said you could maximize enrollment in health coverage if you aligned tax filing season with a c. a enrollment and not because a lot of lower income people who might be eligible for subsidies but might have trouble affording premiums if you align that when they're filing their taxes and getting tax refunds back. That could actually help incentivize them. Yeah that was. That wasn't a by wanted. That's what you asked for. I know the clip. I told you to play. Is there a different one. You wanna play. now. It's just too complicated when i do. I will play this one though. Just don't feel bad about it. This is the pbs. I call it. Goes hollywood and so what we have. Is you know those crappy video said the all these hollywood douche bakes put out where you have the high cut from person to person to person to person to person with a white background. We need we need to live sustainably. I i'm john. Legend those the the douche bags so they decided. Pbs decides to do something similar. Here's what you ended up with. But the process of getting that shot can be difficult and overwhelming. We wanted to capture a sampling. Of what americans say they're facing. My name is nora galina. I live in zephyr hills florida. My name is andrea shiloh. And i'm in houston texas. My name's helen. Marshall i live in montgomery county pennsylvania. My name is karim beans. And i live in st louis missouri. I teach middle school theater in st louis right now. Susan daniel anonymous dallas texas. My name's jason mon. And i'm a letter carrier from Brentwood new york. I try every day multiple times a day to see if an appointment has opened every hour. Basically until i go to bed trying to do what was that was terrible. That was supposed to be like. We're we're all getting the vaccine. We're we're clicking on the website. Every minute of the day is that what can get they want. They all want to vaccine. Everybody had a slew uphill. We want the vaccine but he can't get in lyon. We can't get an appointment. I don't know what we're gonna do. Demands to high. Oh yeah that's it. Yeah okay yeah demands to high sure. People don't want your stinking vaccine. That's the problem you do anything. Keep people Give people lines to look at all. It's a line go stand in the line The end of yet another no agenda show. We break it all down for you. Got the grumpy old. Ben's coming up next the no agenda stream if you are if you're listening to us in the live fashion we've got End of show mixes from thought dock. And m a user relatively new people to the to the stage so we look forward to that and we look forward to seeing you again on thursday where we will start over. Start at the top and see how we could plunge the bull-crap remember divorce dot org slash a coming to you from opportunities zone. Thirty three in the capital of the drones star state. austin. Texas is Number six on the governmental maps. If you're looking for in the morning. Everybody i'm adam kirk in from northern silicon valley where nothing's going on i'm johnston. We'll see if anything changes by thursday till then audio diaz and such universal wearing masks to watch route universal wearing thompson sense. Universal wearing masks reason walks wear masks now just not covering with you. Put another layer on. It just makes common sense. 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"Good. They're not brutalizing a warrant advertising. That's not fair. Adam curry John's devora thirteen twenty nineteen. This is your ward, winning nation media, assassination, episode eleven forty six this is no agenda. Meeting fun, people on all sides. And broadcasting live from the capital of getting no nation east London. England then owning everybody timeout of curry man from northern Silicon Valley where I remain in 'em here admiring, the double decker buses, Jesse deployment. Skills. You can't have double decker buses that's for us exclusively here. And then the Gitmo nation east in the UK. Yeah. Well, those days are over. So you have double decker buses in San Francisco. No San Francisco's still has an eye deranged. They don't have them is because everything's electro. This all electric buses in bibs double decker bus. It can't make that little suspension thing work. I guess, nose in the East Bay AC transit Alameda County transit, and they use the buses. They have a number of them. Yeah. They use to go across the bay, and they'd get twice as many people in the bus or not twice as many but quite a few more. So, so the so the buses, so it's not for tourism is for actual transportation. Yeah. That's nice. Yeah, it's about time. Well, they got him here too. In london. If had him there forever, it is just amazes me how long it takes for somebody else to figure out is not a bad idea. Yeah. Well, they certainly they should do. Triple Deckers by now traffic here is unbelievable. Scott and so bad. There's so much that's happened since I was last in the UK like properly in the UK, not just passing through this buildings here that weren't here last time I checked it up. That was, what was the last time he challenged with how long ago was it that I was actually in, in London. I it's been a long time. John. It's been maybe send a lot of a lot of weird looking buildings to well, that I'm looking right at that point was double decker bus down the freeway. She is it red. Is it red? No, green and white. Okay. There's a big point he building. Going to put my glasses on for. Review, I used to know what the what happened to the to the Gerke into the do they tear that one down already pickle what happened to that one. I can't see it anywhere. Still there. Is it behind the big pointy one? Now, sits, there must be must be five or six different building just anyway. Yeah. We're looks like it's falling over. Yeah, I can see that one from here. That's, that's kind of kind of weird. But we chose this location specifically because it was in walking distance of the no agenda, London, meet up that we held yesterday. Oh, so you're in the Paddington area, I am just just on the cusp of the Paddington area. And here's a remote decollete though, extremely. Here's the, here's the best laid plans. So we get this hotel. I mean it is I see on the map. It's a four minute, walk. And of course, I did not bring the smartphone, and I'm, I'm hell bent on, even though you know, I like, you know, should we don't we should have some navigation capabilities. I'm like, no, no, I can map this out in the room and I can write down the directions and be fine. Four minutes. I swear to God it took us fifteen. I I it's the map skills, they really do diminish over time if you don't keep them up. Yeah. So I went to that same place. We had yes, this is the Victoria in Paddington. Yeah. We went there and I walked I know how to I knew how to get there without and I didn't have a smartphone. I was you know, we had a bunch of burners that we could use the area. And so I knew how to get there from the hope from the hotel, and it was, like you go down the main street that goes past Victoria station. Take a right. You just keep walking bang your run right into the right there. Exactly. So I left the event and I figured, well, I'm just gonna go back came. And for some reason, I took the wrong street back in the middle of I dunno where I was I had to take a cab. Wasn't quite that bad. SO we arrived seven, thirty AM yesterday morning from our direct flight on Norwegian air from Austin, first time we took this. I have to say very impressed by the budget airline. Okay, who fly, we need a report on this airline, everyone's going to be confronted? With short short report. This is now American Airlines slash British Airways has a daily flight from Austin to Heathrow and it's very expensive and no matter no matter what class you're in is expensive. Norwegian competes with that. There are budget airline in and actually I think they're now the biggest airline from Europe to New York. That was that was kind of their first thing, this is the plane with the red nose. In fact, their call sign is even read knows, and then the flight number, but bread notice read just because there's a lot of alcoholics. No, no. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Well celebrating celebrating. So it's, it's probably about forty percent cheaper than a British Airways. They fly the Dreamliner the seven seven eight seven nice aircraft. I had not been on this yet. Besides we'll tell you had that you were raving about it before. No, no, no. It was that was the big Airbus. I flew on that. But the Dreamliner is ill besides it being a plastic plane, which is not my favorite yet. You were never gonna fly on one because it's all plastic. Well he's had to get here. One way or the other. I can't afford. Can't if British Airways Airbus, usually too. It's fantastic. Ve very impressed that service, you know, you don't get a lot of frills, and you can order extra stuff on board, and they don't have charged for everything Mander standing is that they charge you for. Yes, they do. They do. They charge for a blanket. They charge for water. Go to the bathroom. No. They don't charge the knowledge. No, they don't charge it. Don't charge to go to the bathroom. No. At that headed coin operated door how. No good. Try was missed. I was misled by the staff at British air. Well, yeah. You wonder why? Now, I have to say the keeper has been really smart. She is hell bent in determined on letting everybody know that this is our honeymoon. So right away he Norwegian air. She says, you know, as we get our glass of water. He said, it's, it's our honeymoon. Oh, that's all great. And. Yep. Lo and behold a show too little bottles of champagne. Well, here these are for you take these this is this is actually almost a traveling tip. And if we do, that's a great idea. And the fact is that they do. Norwegian air is notorious for not giving away. Exactly. And it was champagne. It was brute from sham from Sean pine. You wasn't seco-. Yeah. The little mini bottles. Well, so then we, as we like the dilettantes if to mid fifty year olds can get away with it, you know, it was like we're newlyweds. There was no question. You know, there was no show me, your papers, please chip is worth the price of a donation and it gets better. So when we here at the hotel, of course when you when you arrive. Oh, I want to talk about the entry process into the UK something else. A hadn't witness. This is completely biometrics is an automatic is d-. But it's better than the we have it's better than world entry you just walk up to the thing, you shove, your passport it registers your face takes a picture for all attorneys so we can track you throughout the entire country. But you're done. Yeah, it's pretty pretty fast. No interview. No, no, no, nothing. Get your bag walk through the green, the green alley perfect. So we take a CAC chips yet. So back to the. So work, the heir to the hotel, and the hotel, of course, obviously check in is a checkout is at noon check in as a two it's nine o'clock. And we're here til the hell ya and keep, or does it. And how well this is our honeymoon. Oh, this is great. We'll have some champagne you for you. While we're working on your room, this typically takes a lot longer, but we're going to work on it for you. And so we went out into Hyde Park, and it was there was this window of two hours of really beautiful weather. So we know we saw the, the Albert memorial the Italian gardens came back around eleven thirty I room was already done. Yes. We know you're, you're newlyweds you room is done. And this is an almost three hours before they would have to have it done. We have are, are free champagne. You know, they do. The, the nice love swan origami with the towels on the bed. Have you ever seen this? Imagine. And it just works. I mean. We're gonna I'm gonna do it, every single time you can't go to the same places probably. But this is this is a good thing. Wait a minute. You guys here last year. Now we've never been here. So this is yeah. This is a great travel tip TSA in the US did something new to me, though, this was, as you know, whenever I travel with Tina John Lewis honeymoon. No. Maybe maybe. That's what happened the. Yeah. So, of course, whenever I traveled with Tina, we both get pre check, even though she's never registered its Atra, so and I travel alone, even though I'm registered having number. I don't so we go through, you know, so this pre check you just throw your your bags on off to take laptops out of got, you have got the whole studio everything as usual. I take my Nokia. My littoral cell phone throaty my jacket the jacket goes through. He goes to the magnet Tomlin because you don't go through the body scanner. And the guy says let me see your let me see your phone. And I think he's like I'm like this is a joke or something. I can't go through the didn't take it to. I don't have my phone. He says, I saw you put it in your bag. I put I was confused. I thought he was joking too, okay? And so I get my the Nokia and a handed to him. And he looks at it kind of weird and then he swabs it and they were doing this for every other passenger, this is new. I've never had the cell phone swab. Well, they must be an alert outer something. Well, someone with a cell phone bomb. It makes a lot of sense if you want, I mean, if you wanna know if someone is being in contact with any type of explosives, the best ways to get something, you know, like they're so phone, which you'd be handling you'd have it up to your face. And maybe that said, yeah secondary. Yeah. 'cause you yeah. It's pretty smart. Yeah. Anyway, so that that's what that was. Let me see do you have anything? Well, then, you know, obviously than we have I've talked to sell this Wabash, the number of times about what they're looking for. And, you know, the alleys new tests, and they check things out, and I forget, what I get something checked recently. That was didn't make a lot of sense to me. Oh, yeah, I brought it. Oh, yeah. As coming back from Austin from your wedding. Yeah. And I brought a bunch of seats in innings, and they were all had the check swabbed it crap out of my barbecue seasonings. So make some sense of slightly, explosive anyway. Yes. Out the out the other end. But explosive nontheless Heo all. The no. Agenda. Meet up just a few words about our, meet up at the Victoria, and we'll be thanking people later on. Who gave on the spot donations? I was very surprised. I didn't really know what to expect. The whole thing was organized by the Earl of Tennessee. Cer- Patrick Coble who flew in from Berlin where he was doing some penetration testing actually, I think it was doing a speed does speeches about penetration testing to good stories. Yes. And just a big thanks to him. And it's so interesting that are Earl from Tennessee is put this together, and they were when we walked in, we were supposed to be from six to nine thirty. We're more or less on time. Probably about five five guys there, including surpassing like, oh, this is kinda cool. You know, we're chatting and John before, you know, it, we had fifty people there. It got really it was. And we would just do a head count. And you came up with fifty that's I didn't do. I was unable to do an exact headcount the, the picture at the end of the evening, which never includes everybody was over forty. So, I think we were at least fifty maybe a little bit more and this was in my experience the most diverse group of people we've ever had. I mean white black Brown gay straight old young to Retz autism ass. Burger conservative liberal. Everything was represented. Much. I mean, I was like, wow, this is like United colors of Benetton. A lot of dude named Ben but also. There was quite a number of women there. Of course, Dame easib Bill who first female listener, and as she with. I mean, there are a lot of people who have been listening since episode one and universally, this is what we heard from everybody. I love this meet up. I love meet ups with no agenda people, because I can speak frankly without having to be worried about overstepping triggering saying wrong thing, and but somebody with a stick up their ass, but it's, it's like, here's here's what I heard from almost everybody. I can't say what I think at my work. I can't say what I think around my friends, I can't say what, I think, or my opinion at school with my family and people felt an incredible sense of community. And by no means where these. Al- KKK Nazi. Caudron alright nut jobs. These just we had multiple people who work at the BBC. My favorite has to be the gay magistrate from Manchester. Who, by the way worked for g-o-v Michael gov. And I said, straight up, I did he ruin the education system in the UK. And now no. Did you have to go and get his coke too? No, no, no. Just a lot of a lot of good information and in there was to certain point we're we're taking selfie and deaf. We're rowdy, and we're, we're taking over this place. And it's packed. And it's drizzling outside. So it has his perfect London pub vibe, and I'm taking some pictures with some of our producers, and behind me. There's a couple sitting in kind of a booth and they'd been sitting there for a while. And I felt that I knock something over as I backed up, gosh, I turn around and knock some drink. But no. It's just the menu. And they look at me. And they say can we ask you question? Yes. Yes. Well, we're from Florida, and we just got here, and we've never been to London, and we wanted to get a, a real feeling for a typical English pub, cool. Are you guys what kind of club is this? They could not figure out where we were about. And I said, yes. And who are you? What? Yeah, this is. I can appreciate that. I mean it it's, it's standard here you created nonstandard situation in. They were brought into they, they're baffled. Yeah. Sure. And of course they were immediately hit in the mouth. And I'm sure there listening right now. So plenty of plenty of stories, and I'm sure talking about that in shows to calm and we have some donations that will talk about. I just while we're on the topic at simultaneously, we had the Oklahoma City meet up, which was organized by Cassidy Eastwood. And I just wanted to read her report. He says it there were about a dozen of us ranging from twenty four years old to seventy ish. Sorry. Jimmy, not sure of your age. We even had a night in our presence or prized and he surprised us with magic tricks. I didn't know we had a magician we all fawned over his night. Ring people came from all over the state. Even one drove up from Dallas. The first question asked to each arrival was, how did you happen upon no agenda and the best response was given by air force John who was looking for podcast? Listen to and did a search for best podcast. Gee, just what the first result was the best podcast in the universe, which is an accurate, search person using being precisely. He also made a point to make his first nation. We all discuss religion, politics, education, and the general state of the world at large over appetizers, and cocktails, the refused strange looks from surrounding tables. I greatly enjoyed talking to people whom I knew were open minded. I could feel the serotonin releasing in my brain as I converse with this group of lovely people. One attendee even said, and I quote by love this, because I know that no one here will judge me even if we disagree on something, and that is, again, this is the, the constant observation from everybody who attends a no agenda, and so we encourage more of those no agenda, meet ups dot com. All right. News from London. Bo Joe has the Mojo. Though Joe blow. Joe Boris Johnson has the most Joe Joe. I have a borsch Johnson clip from the great Boris Johnson hater. Okay. Jeans o'brien. But do blowback for people don't listen to. L. V. C. James O'Brien is this of remainder I he is hates the Brits. Yeah. Is really as the talk show guy who's I think is one of the most skilled at making you look like an idiot, if that's what he wants because he, he in fact, he so good at I, I think people who are making a mistake, this, shouldn't do this just boycott him and he hates everybody. He hates garage. He hates Boris Johnson, but he's got the goods on board Johnson and, and it just minor goods that seems to me, but the way he presents it with his over his repetitious approach the slamming, somebody's slandering them is this a gift? And here we go for a man who's been fired from jobs for lying about quotes, allegedly from his own grandfather gold father, beg your pardon pros Nelson. Fine it from the times from making up quotes from his own godfather. Okay. Light to party leaders lied to. Wives mistresses went to court to try to stop you from finding out about two girls that he'd fathered out of wedlock. He actually went to court so that you wouldn't find out about his. Ah polling sexual incontinence. And I mean it when I say because I used to go with sort of conservative coffee mornings, and things like that, I go with my mom, sometimes more association. And I always had this begrudging suburban respect for that type of toria shy Tory because although I felt they were a little bit immune to the suffering of others in some cases, they did seem to subscribe to values values. You could loosely describe as Christian Christian conservatism, and that would be absolutely outraged by the idea of a man going to court to stop, you finding out that he'd fathered a little girl outside wedlock lying to come on. That's not what Trump paid off. Stormy Daniels for. I mean, where's this guy time have changed wives lying to his mistresses line to his voters line to his employers lying to his party leaders lying to his constituents lying to his interviews? There's a recording of him that are play later in the program of him. Luding with a now convicted criminal to get a journalist beaten up if you heard me correctly, it's on tight Boris Johnson agreeing to help a former school friend from eastern to get hold of the address of journalist, because the former school friend from Eton. Once it's a have him petted. So you see, well, I mean I just mentioned any one of those six seven eight transgressions and theoretically from where only sit that should be the end of it for a conservative leadership contender. But it's not which I think signals the end of any claim to moral high ground all morality from the conservative party. That's really interesting because he is the number one in the first round of voting. By a large margin. Let's take a look at couple of deconstruct a little bit about the Brian does, this does not want to see Boris Johnson as the actually probably does could be great for show. Right. Exactly. A couple of days once he starts off with this horrible misquoting of his God father, some thing in making of quotes. He makes takes that to an extreme as some sort of horrible thing to do. Maybe misunderstandings million things that could be. Explain it. He uses the word colluding for a reason. And then he says away, he actually 'cause he says he lied to him lie to him a lot about it goes on and on and on. And then he says, does which I thought was typical of Brian, you could take any of these six seven eight transgressions and apply. Them to Trump. Well, I didn't say that, but he say you can take any of them, and then you can't understand what the to serve as lost all their credibility, because these six seven or eight transgressions what six seven or eight transgressions he mentioned, to two citations, one misquoting his godfather, and having an illegitimate child that he apparently went to court over, and I don't know the details behind it, but I don't hear six seven or eight transgressions. This is a horrible person this, this interview or this James, O'Brien guy. I've listened fascinated by skills. Now that he's a there's a terrible, horrible guy. This fifty seconds left on the clip that we play that for. If there is yet played. I'm not if you listen to this program on a regular basis, it became inevitable, when they introduced by sliders to the public life as soon as firearms allowed to speak on challenged undiluted lies and nonsense, because every party is finished. So when they chose to invite him onto their bus to get Brexit over the line that was the death knell for any claims in the Tory party to integrity probity for the very simple reason that if one lions on challenged lies move into the mainstream, which is how you have a man who conspired to have John Lewis beaten up, went to court to stop, you finding about his dolts, Boone ounce of what lockers, lights, both of his wives, all of his mistresses every constituent every employer of report leader, every colleague, every interview every journalist, he's ever encountered. He's just lied to them. He's actively agitated to deceive them. Now it's an outrage I tell us just scandalous, godless. Came up with three because he had this thing a couple more, which I like to look into. But it's not is besides the point is this Johnson is being attacked by the left and this guy's Representative that. And I still wonder whether you know, he he had his shot. He could have been the prime minister, a lot of people believe before Theresa May stepped in front of the blind and took the job. But I don't know dial Johnson. I don't know. I have no idea what people think is a good guy should be prime minister well, as I said that the main Evening Standard, which is edited by jor. Who's the guy George Osborne? Member George Osborne. Yeah, he was the what was he was? He chancellor. I don't remember what he did. So he edits the Evening Standard and that was the headline when we arrived was Bo. Joe's got the Mojo. So and looking at the first round voting I'm not quite sure how the whole system worked. How many rounds there are but he had one hundred fourteen and it was was it to who's the Jeremy guy hunt? Yeah. Yeah. I think he was number truly hunt. Yeah. With with forty two votes or whatever it is. So I was prepping the shows I couldn't follow all of it. But it'll be interesting to see those. Is a lot going on here people at the meet up. This is completely eft. They've kind of given a given up on it. Well about two getting out of the house. The Brexit chitchat is, they're going to get out or not. I think universally people think do over is in the cards, and, and then not brings it and I did want to mention I think I sent you a link to it. The BBC had a two hour or two part each part one hour documentary about which was filmed with permission from gay for start. And he's the crazy gap-tooth guy from the European parliament with the near the Belgian used to be was he Belgian present. Prime minister it was big Wigan in Belgium, when I still had a government, and he allowed someone from a Belgian cameraman to shoot a documentary, and this is inside his office, the car the train late at night. All the swear word it actually made me wonder how much they didn't put in it. And he didn't really disclose this to anybody who was around him at the time. And he was the, the coordinator of the Brexit steering committee for, you know, these two and a half years or two years. And it's a fascinating look at the other side that we never really hear much about. Did you did you see this binding naptime to see it? It is for sure. Now, you can't really pull any clips from it. But when certain point you see, and it's there in the European parliament, building in Brussels, and they go to Strasbourg and you kind of get a little idea of how that works. And there's a lot of food where every single shot, there's always food that they're eating their drink. And they do meetings, and they drink wine at the meetings, which is kind of a, I think, good thing, but it's, it's for boating in the United States. Yeah. Well, the link is in the show, it's well worth watching in particularly get like the speechwriters who were then, you know, as it gets very close like, yeah, yeah, we screwed them. We, we sent him back to being Colladay. They're all jacked up and Judy about it. It's, it's a cool thing. It's, it's fun to watch because we never get that side of it, and certainly not to that degree. I, I again I wonder what wasn't put in it. The questions for you, though. There was an article that the New York Times published headline. The Google made four point seven billion dollars from the news industry. And now it's time for the news industry to take it back that wasn't the exact headline. Did you follow any of this? It's been debate a debate a little bit, and most building bogus. Well, I thought it was scandalous that the New York Times, first of all, they didn't really even disclose that this was a news industry lobbying group that they're a part of. Which is that what is it news? The news media alliance who are lobbying for house resolution twenty fifty four the journalism competition and preservation act of twenty nineteen that was nowhere to be found in their article course the New York Times, they don't they don't let you know what they're up to anymore. It's horrible operation. I'd like to know what your live Joe's thought of this in particular, the assertion made based on a comment from Orissa Meyer in two thousand eight where she off handedly, although it was, I think an investor situation so it can be taken with some degree of certainty that in two thousand eight Google news had made approximately one hundred million dollars from news, and that was the, that was the whole quote, and they extrapolated that by adding ten years to it and said, that looks like four point seven billion is what we're not make. Google stealing from us. And now they have this lobbying group, it is a five. Oh, one C four. And it's the lobbying for the passage of house resolution, the Bill journalism competition preservation active twenty nineteen which would allow all news publishers, which by the way you don't we wouldn't qualify for because you have to have professional editors on payroll. You have to have at least a million people interacting with your website on a monthly basis. Otherwise, okay. Yeah. If you have that many people that you just described, you don't need help from the government. This, you know, just I know it stems from. Well, let me just tell you what, what the what the plan is the plan is they want forty eight months. So they went what does that for years? They want four years to, to have anti antitrust, anti-competition laws. What is the word not apply to the news industry so they can collude with each other over for your period to find out how they can screw Google and Facebook back. That's what it is. They, they want to be able to work together as a group and figure out how to get the money back is the kind of idiots that are running the business, first of all the stamps from the Canadians, who decided to put a funded gathering as rice members of bunch of free money. That's right. So they want to say, well, you know, they're doing it up there. They're getting free money we should do the same thing. The second thing is this nonsense about Yahoo ended being extrapolate yahu is a news organization in a lot of ways one whole division. They take this OC press feed. They pay for it. They're not. They have writers that they pay pay money to the yahu sport, which is very competitive is probably as competitive as, as ESPN. N or as a Sports Illustrated when it comes to print, I'd like to lie about that like to hold your so I'd like to interrupt your house. I'd like to interrupt your analysis because I want this to continue after I play these two clips, which explain a little bit more about how they really feel about it. So this is a Bill that's called the Sicily Bill Representative David Sicily here, he explains briefly, what the news media alliance is about with HR twenty fifty four a really important shoe for everyone in our country, because we all recognize that our democracy is strongest when we have a free and diverse press that inform citizens holds concentrated power accountable and roots out corruption as Justice Louis Brandeis wrote nine hundred twenty seven those who won our independence believe that public discussion is a political duty that the greatest threat to freedom is in uninformed citizenry. And that the freedom of thought and speech are indispensable to the discovery and spread of political truth. But today as you all know, these bedrock constitutional values are facing eggs essential threats keeps his information dominant platforms last year. Facebook and Google. Mass more than sixty billion dollars from online advertising, the majority of online at revenue and despite record levels of online, readership news publishes, have seen a steep decline in revenue during the rise of these technology giants. The bottleneck is bleeding us publishers, dry and you see evidence all across this country. And in the absence of a competitive marketplace newsrooms across the country are laying off, reporters, and editors will staff or folding altogether. This is happening to legacy news, companies and digital publishers like there is no question that we've reached a tipping point. And what's really important to remember this is not just a marketplace. That's not working and providing absence of competition where we're sort of losing the sale of widgets. This is about the very foundation of our democracy. Access to reliable, trustworthy, local news. This trend continues we risk permanently. Compromising the news organizations that are essential to uncovering corruption holding the governor. Powerful corporations accountable and sustaining democracy. Oh, yes. The old democracy. What has never mentioned is that they never newspapers never made money off of news ever. And they blew it. You think when you both a part of the of the of the new Mark conversation. Yeah. With hurst. No. With was now rehearsed was there was the publisher. The was married to what's her name, the actress. Yeah, the Sharon Stone. Yeah. What's Mr., Mr. Mr., Mr. stone, like Bronfman, Mr. stone, Bronfman Brown? Bronstein brought Bronfman Brown from Bronfman brought round from Yano Bronstein bronze Bron from your thinking guy. Reads, the run Seagram Seagram's. Yeah. Isn't that the guy didn't wasn't? He also married. Sharon stone. I think I don't believe so. Awesome. Member in there, telling the story, we will tell you, right. Bronstein. I'm sorry. Yes. Phil Bronstein on been wrong. I'm wrong. Yes. Bronze figure name. Okay, so Bronstein in there. And he tells the story says that in the early days of the net to the net. Craig Newmark comes in the guy or does Craig's list. And it was it was in the nineties, and it was, you know, making money off classifieds it was making money off classifies locally was doing these freak and they were free classifieds and his whole theory was you just give away the class, because it computer, you know. It's taxed, you know you didn't take a lot to, to store it. And and Senate around is not a lot of overhead in terms of resources of the internet resources as his idea was to give free classifies everybody and then let people pay for job listings and things that are a little more, you know, that can actually bring in some cash, he saw reversed whole model of Kossuth were. And so he goes in there and. Talks bronstein. I guess who else was at the meeting, but he says he comes in offers the whole Craigslist model. If like two million dollars or something ridiculously low amount of figure, but if he said, figure wasn't much, but he said, but he offered him the model and they said, we know how to do classifieds. We don't need your help you dumb shit get out of here. And so they kicked him out pretty much. I made sure they didn't say that, but it's something like that. And this I've seen as happened in other situations. And I also saw it happened with classifies when I was a fly on the wall at the media lab in Massachusetts, where they were were Hearst corporation was meeting with the media lab people to discuss something that X what it was any more. But something like that was brought up in that meeting to, and it was the same kind of response. You know, we know what we're doing had the same. When I pitched before we were thinking ideas on ramp, we pitched Tribune company in Chicago. You know, the beautiful building, they have there with the radio station was still down by this still there. And we got laughed out of the building. We have story server wasn't that the thing story server, what was it to gosh. What was that, that content management system? Vignette vignettes. Yes. Vignettes story serve, you couldn't unique classifies. We got an idea for that. That's been making none. This is a new world. We know how to make money off news. Well, it never made money off of news. It just it was always the classifieds that was the main thing, classifieds went away, that's when the problem started, but oh no. Now, all of a sudden I disagree with that. And I think that's a myth. And I think this comes up a lot, I think it came up in these clips that you have the problem started with television, and it started a long time ago, and you can look at the curve, the growth curves and everything else with the newspaper business don't like to talk about it. But that's where it started. Telling came with the hourly reported nightly news all Cronkite. The two. Huntley Brinkley, and those guys came in and they just started taking the taking the impetus away from the newspapers. We really had to compete with television guys who were stealing a lot from those are the guys that were stealing from television, if you or I'm sorry, they're stealing from newspapers view worked at a radio station in the fifties sixties, everyone will say the same thing. We'd get the newspaper. We clip the articles that were interesting. And we run them as news. Right. Okay. And where was the lawsuits, then where was the big stink. Now they got ripped off left and right. During the end they got started shrinking and shrinking to the point where and it was all it was pre internet is when they had something called a joint operating agreement which all the newspapers jumped in on when they gave this, this the last time that they soak the government. So they say, let's take join up make these joint operating agreements because especially because the television the evening. Newspapers were all dying because the evening newspaper was the one that you'd read home run. But once the evening. The news came on. Nobody was reading the evening newspapers. So they had the dream up this joint operating agreement locally. It was the San Francisco Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle and it was such a guy go in Detroit, every place around the country, did this they joined forces, because they needed to, and they kind of, you know started emphasizing the morning, paper more. They shared resources in shared profits, and that was the first idea that was the first collusion that they needed to do. They were never competitive with. They never could figure out how to do this. Right. And they've been failing and failing and failing and continued to fail. And when the internet came along and took the classifieds away that just was the icing on the cake for the just the demise of the whole operation, because I couldn't figure out what they're they're incompetent. There's something that they do in the United Kingdom on television late night. So which would typically be our, our news time slot. Maybe ten all at this an I think I, I know you like I agree. This great I love this. Sit down with two people. It's an these guests. They vary sometimes to an editor of a newspaper. It's politicians can be someone from show business, and they go through all the papers that will be published in the morning. Then they show the, you know, the headlines and they haven't analysis and they talk about what's in the paper. I think it's I've always thought that was fantastic. It's very engaging to watch. And of course, you don't have to buy the damn paper the next day. Will if it's done right. And I think the Brits do it. Right. I know that most people in the United States can get these reports Sky News on Pluto. Yeah, that's exactly Sky News. Does it very well. And they've been doing that for gosh. But BBC does it too, don't they don't they have version of an on BBC or sky gay. Probably do I news is the one that impresses me the most and you have to remember Sky, News was once part of the Murdoch empire so they're not killing themselves, when they're in Murdoch's Mosey newspaper guy, date, would this was a form of promotion for the papers, because they'd go on about something that might interest, you and, and the British and I think you might pick up the paper would make even British newspaper businesses. A lot different than ours would makes it even more interesting is that NewsCorp is heavily represented in this news. Media alliance and the only other clip I have is the Shortland from Tony Bush. She is the what is she? She's the government affairs executive at News Corporation. I think has been missing and discussion up until. Jill recently is the fact that Google Facebook in the advertising business, go made one hundred and thirty five billion dollars last year up of advertising base book make fifty six billion dollars of advertise entire digital advertising market is around two hundred thirty seven billion, so they've taken augured ninety five billion out of it, which leaves around thirty billion for everybody else, including the newspaper industry, and that is really the crux of the problem that we're facing which is the system is broken the trust not been enforced. During the abolition of the tech platforms, and we need to both investigate that. But in the interim we need a solution and listening Bellas really solution. Okay. So we can collude with each other for two for four years and come up with a way to screw him back. Going to happen, these guys. There's the dumbs versus the smarts. This nonsense that Google is, you know, you go to Google, Google dot news dot com and you can see what good there's which is not even an ad on that entire page. Mean news dot Google dot com. What I say, Google dot news dot com. Let me see. Let's see if that is anything. Oh, go straight to see net dot com. That's funny. Yet news dot com investing butter right away. Anyway. The. No, they don't run. The actually do not run advertising on the news. That's something that Google is very vocal about, oh, we don't run ads on that. They make their money on search. Well, and this if you're searching for some news story, and you've you're on the page you're gonna get some ads and it's got nothing to do is not taking revenue guys are shouldn't himself in the foot. The same thing happened in Belgium. I think are one European country member. This was about ten years ago. They were all upset all Google Dexing and the index our paper, they're, they're making people linked to its people are coming from these links. So we all like that because we don't have control of it. So we don't want Google linking to us anymore, so they stopped Lincoln to them, and they went out of business. Something I did not clear what Google, dummy something I, I didn't clip, but there was part of the part what they were talking about this news. Alliance panel was well, you know, when you click on the story, Google gets all the information. But what are you in? In newspapers. You in the news business. You in the information about people business, you can turn it around and do something with that. And they all fell for the whole amp thing. Remember that and yeah, you gotta get Google amp because then it loads faster and it's fantastic. And Google aunt means that everything you do runs through Google, you dip shits guy. Yeah. We're all in Google amp and like the same thing when Facebook like, yeah, we're all about news, members this Google amp yet, I think it's still used. Jeez. Yeah. It was amplify or something. Everyone's oh yeah. Because it pre loads. And it's compressed on both sides. And thank you, Google and Facebook. You recall Facebook's. Well, changing the for news, every, oh, yeah, great in. They change it back to friends and family, LEGO. Boo. Yes, accelerated mobile pages. That's what amp stood for. Thank you troll room. It was a some for phones for mobile for mobile to make everything page. I looked at the most recent Mary meeker interstate of the internet report, which is three hundred thirty three pages long this year. I'm glad she's doing some whether time everything is stagnated at a revenue is not really dropped here and there stagnant stagnant stagnant. Everything is kind of plateauing but mobile is now double desktop. It's, it's just surpassed everything, which I'm sure the black, people are happy about because we want these spied vices to be on your personal time. So we know exactly what you're doing. That's the real that's the real juice. They got not the news. This is been predicted, of course, for years that mobile takeover most of the action on the internet. And okay, so. Right along with this. I think we should do a quick little callback to the ad Pakalitha deconstruction that we did on the last episode, which I think most people appreciated. And I think Lisa feedback. I've been getting his, I really didn't look at it in just a pure commercial sense that these guys are in competition for the advertising dollars, which is what you literally just heard from the entire news business is like are not causing a word advertising, and that's not fair. The, the time code for that. Voice voice, I have to work on him. Susan, what Gysky who is the CEO of YouTube in what I believe is a crisis move showed up on Recode for a forty five minute interview, which is on YouTube, and Recode is owned by vox. There are a lot of vox journals there. And even the guy who was doing the interview I think he's on, if he's just a Recode guy or fees, a higher up in vox and talking about this ad Pakalitha, and I had to pull a couple of clips, because it's so beautiful. The things that are being said here, but the first thing, which I think that we talked about this, the kind of got snowed under is the whole, you know, contrive rec- over Crowder, and Carlos Maza was about LGBTQ, and it was taking place during. Pride month and is unbelievable during pride month someone said something horrible about a gay man on YouTube, and this is the first thing out of her mouth. No. If I hadn't love those setups here we go. The first thing out of her mouth and things happen last week. And it's great to be here and talk about what happened, but I do want to start because I know that the decision that we made was very hurtful to LGBTQ community and that was not, our intention at all and context was following what decision was. Yeah. So let me let me go into that. But I thought it was really important to be in front about that. And to say that was not our intention really sorry about that. And but I do want explain why we've made the decision that we did, as well as give information about the other launch that we just heckling the clip or her what you do. This, this condescending valley girl up talk borderline vocal fry voice a hers is enough to drive anyone crazed. She's in her mid forties. And this must be a Milia thing she just liberated twenty yearly total. Yes, twenty years guru twenty years ago, she just celebrated two decades. So it's Milia and that's how we talk going on. So really, they were two different things that happened at the same time and the first one, I'll talk with is we made a really significant change involving hate speech. This. This. The first one that I will talk with the I know does a lot of this stuff. I'll play against sort of Google talk, some Google talk. I mean goose gruesome sort of the Christmas Google's isn't hyphenated Gook talk. Or is it one word, I think sake group. Life. Google doc, different things that happened at the same time, and the first one, I'll talk with is we made a really. I think she's just he does a lot of this. She wants to say something different. But the first thing I will address with you, or I don't know her brain was behind her mouth or ahead speech. This is something we have been working on for months. So I'll just pre set this up. Apparently, it was a great coincidence, that they had been working for months on new hate speech rules for their platform, and on the very same day. They launch it this controversy starts. It's I mean it's just unbelievable Arend. We launched it on Wednesday of last week, the series of policy did you've been rolling out. With all. Yes. So, so we've been making lots of different policy changes on YouTube, and we made this, this past week, we made a change in how we handled hate speech, not months and months of work, and hundreds of people we had working on that. And that was a very significant launch a really important one. I love how they've clearly been able to come up with rules, and she details in a moment about hate speech. Something that legally cannot even be done. But okay. And what we did with that launches. We made a couple of big changes, one of them was to. Make it. So that if there's a video that alleged some race or religion or gender or group protected group is superior in some way, and uses that to justify discrimination, or Slough, that would now no longer be allowed on our platform simile if they if if you had a religion race, and they allege that inferiority that another was inferior and they used that to justify discrimination in we changes that we made. So I can't say hey yeah, the forty Niners stink inferior to the Raynor's. I think you're very can't have sports talk is now eliminated to think you're very close here. She expands on these reds angles would be like race x is superior to X to superior to why, and therefore why should be segregated. Okay. Sounds clear to me. I'm all good. If you're extra why then you're in trouble. This is literally her example would be like race X superior to X two superior to why y. I can see. I can see the Googlers. I can see them on the whiteboard. Okay. Here's race x and race. And why we do the route square root of that these guys. Everything's mathematics to them. Everything they even hate speech. All we got a formula for that to you that you had to make a rule that said this shouldn't be allowed wasn't covered. Either bindings listing role that you had to tell your community look. This is not acceptable. Actually, a lot of this global company, of course. And so if you look at your car number of countries, that have really strong, hate speech law, and to which country has very strong, hate speech laws, she's refer. I know she's referring to she's referring to Germany's. You can't talk Nazi stuff can have a swastika. And there's some in the UK there's some, some of that in the UK, but I don't know about very strong his country. A lot of this kind of had never been allowed in those countries had actually been allowed in the us, and many other countries. And so what we had actually done within a few years ago. We had actually had limited features, what she's saying, actually, is that they actually already had these limitation features on hate speech, actually. And they had actually made that less restrictive in the US. All they had to do was flip a switch. Apparently, meaning it wasn't in the recommendations. It wasn't monetize had an interstitial in front of it to say that content that we found offensive when we did that we actually reduced the views two percent. It's interesting what you saying here is the way they have their system. Actually, already working actually, is they would not put an ad in front of it. They would make. Even put an interstitial, which would be would that she means a warning? And what they would do is they would reduce its viewership or it's surfacing as a recommendation by up to eighty percent. Notice not one hundred percent not kicking you off. Why? Because she does want people to view you your video, and click on other things where they can make advertising money, and that is explained in a moment, but another example, but we really wanted to take this additional step, and we made the step on Wednesday. We also added which is really important a few other important definitions to protected group. So we added cast because he has become so significant in India. And then we also added victims of verified violent events. So like saying the holocaust in happened or sandy hook didn't have it also became violations of our policies. And this was happening on Wednesday. We launched it on Wednesday. So how about that, just as an example, you can't say, no one got hurt at sandy hook. Because that's you know, people got hurt during a big massive event than you can't deny that. That's very interesting. That, that's the that's the tack that they've chosen and the reason why is of course apparent in this one. We look at these accounts there. Many different components that we look at if I were to do it again. I would put it all into one in one go. We're not going to help you make money on YouTube monetization. Meaning we're not going to run ads against your stuff. If you still want to sell racist coffee, mugs, or whatever you're selling, that's your business, but we're not gonna help you. We're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff. So what she's explaining here is why they will de monetize, but will not kick somebody off, mugs or whatever you're selling. That's your business, but we're not gonna help you. We're not gonna put an ad in front of your stuff. Well, we send right? Not going to put an ad. In front of it. But the. But the conditions by which we made will turn it on can be broader than just that. So, for example, if they're selling merchandise and linking off of YouTube, and bad is she's not. She what she's saying? If you're if you're making money outside of us, yet, we really don't want to be you to do that. So we're going to kind of demonize you. But if you stop doing that, and this is just a mug that they're, they're referencing. I don't think it was a racist mug was at racist mug looking show. It was just some that guy crowd or whatever his name. Right. So this is a commercial decision, which I understand she finishes up twenty seconds. Seen as racist or causing other problems that we that something that we will discuss with the creator because they can we are we're having like putting advertising there. So we need to make sure that the advertisers are going to be okay with it. And we have a higher standard. We can sort of look at all different parts of that creator, and what they're doing. And basically apply that higher standard there. She never mentions what the higher standard is because we all know what it is brand safe. That's your higher standard guesses some new, we've been harping on. Now I should mention that. I don't know why this surprised anybody. If anyone has experienced with Google ads sense in the early days, Google, very adamant about how these things are going to be place it in one competition. They don't like the idea. So they don't want you doing anything. That would interfere with their, their streams their financial streams come in there. They don't want you kind of. Latching onto somehow piggybacking on and making money on your own without them being in the middle. That's all gotta go through them. Yes, every submissions to style. And have to go along with it, there's alternatives. But nobody wants you know YouTube is set up to, you know, make it may everybody to put their videos there. So an assertion, what happens, by the way, if you to just foles all videos, go away. How would the world be different and how people react to that? I wonder well, an assertion that does an assertion that we came up with is that these celebrate e YouTubers are insignificant to their business insignificant to their business in, in regards to the actual revenue. So I agree, well, she's going to tell you how insignificant what percentage do you think are? Of their entire she hasn't necessarily say revenue, but of all the videos that are monetize by Google. What percentage do you think is, is big and problematic, or just problematic, because they're big problem there, too? Big defile. No. The ones that like Crowder, and Joe Rogan or Alex Jones or anyone who's, or Laura Luma, or Laura southern or any of these people who think they're really important. What percentage of YouTube actual businesses then percent or less fathom? What is eight million pieces of terrible things coming onto your site on a quarterly basis, but that, that would really upset me and worry. Well, it matters. What's the denominator like you, you gave the numerator, right? And so we have a large nominated are, meaning we have lots of content uploaded, and lots of users, and, and lots of really good content. And when we look at it, you know what, that what all the, the news and the concerns stories have been have been about this fractional one percents. The other ninety nine point you know. Whenever that number is like that's all really valuable content of people who are sharing valuable points view that we haven't heard about educational content. Addressing really important issues. And so I think it's important to remember that and put that in perspective and I say that not because we are not committed to solving the fractional percent like we are very committed, and I've been really clear that this is the responsibilities my number one priority, and there is a lot of work to do. I knowledge that, but I also know that we have tremendous tools at our fingertips that we can continue to invest in to do a better job fractional one percent. She can't even give the fraction. It's so small probably percent responsibility is your number one priority. No. What was it again? She has funny phrase was it right in the beginning D near the end. Candidate founded. Having the fractional percent like we are very committed, and I've been really clear that this is a responsibilities. My number one priority and responsibility. What does that mean? I think she means number one priority responsibility. Like what's your number one priority? Keep my washing my hands before no no response. What she means in Gook speak. It should be goop speak, not Gook talk. I think it's Gook speak. Better Guga talk Gupta. Speak good fit more within the normal Meam. Yeah. We we'll have to debate this later, Gook speak. You take responsibility for the borderline fractional one percent of issues. That's why she took responsibility for hurting the LGBTQ community. You say the first question out of the gate, the first question she got from the audience was I know freed you familiar with enough read, I ain't afraid who used to be, Ian freed is transgender. I dead named or I'm sorry and here was her question afraid with access you started off with an apology to Q community. But then you also said that you were involved in that you think you to made the right call a lot of people don't really feel like that's an apology are concerned that YouTube flags LGBT positive content, just for being LGBT as sometimes, you know, sensitive, and yet. Slurs are allowed and I'm curious. Are you really sorry for anything GT cute community? Or are you just sorry that they were offended? Question. You autism. I'm really personally. Very sorry, and I it was not our intent. Our goal was YouTube has always been a home of so many LGBTQ creators, and that's why it was it was so emotional why. Wrong with emotional really? That's why even though it was a hard decision it was made harder than it came from us because we've been such an important home and what is wrong with her? Is that this is their problem? This is their fractional. One percent issue is at the social Justice warriors are relentless will not stop for anything. Find. Find fault in, in almost anything. Anyone says it's the social Justice warriors. It's. And they don't want the stories. They can't have the negative press, and we've been through this because that. I didn't clip all this, of course, but she even said no. We've reduced these things fifty percent. All this whole. Blitz that she's on is to inform advertisers. It safe over here. It's less than one percent. We've and even that we, we don't even show them on almost twenty percent. Maybe I think they're in some serious trouble when it comes to the advertising business, I think they're going to have a real problem. She made they, they haven't taken over the whole thing. Yeah, they have, and they have their, their set in a position where they have to grow the maintain their stock price and everything in between there in serious. Trouble insofar as growth but I don't think they're in serious. Trouble is in far as it's going to recede on them, and they're going to make less and less money like the newspapers. Well, the competition for their type of advertising his growing, and that's the the all the other streaming services, including the, the mains the in five AM television networks, who were all now going into streaming. And, and where people are buying more ads. Well, they those as would've gone to fractional as they would have gone into network TV, if they could afford them, because that's where the action is for the big money, spans nowadays. This big magazines used stuck them up. Good. Big giant magazine would get injecting vogue magazine. Still big giant magazine, two thousand dollars for a page, which you can't there's nothing like that, and on online. No. And I don't know. I. I think their problem is introspection may be damaging them when you have somebody like this woman, who's just fretting, fretting, worried sick and since apologizing awkward ways g get called out, not apologizing when she probably is sincerely, apologizing instead of apologizing. I'm sorry. I hurt your feet. I'm so you are you think our heart? That's my favorite. I'm sorry. You felt but heard about that. Yeah, I'm I'm sincerely, sorry. Now that you, you know, that's sorta apology, which is not what she did. But she got called on it anyway. And folded, she just jumped on it's not what I said. No, I on aid that just now, honestly said that she didn't say that. I didn't say I'm sorry because you fell. I said, I am sorry that this happened period. Well, the correct answer came from the Google CEO soon are CHAI, who was is interviewed separately, by, I know freed quickey, maybe a good place to start his YouTube, and obviously, it comes up a lot. What goes through your mind when you watch video like the recent one, you had this teenager appeared to be donning Muslim garbs, viewing a lot of anti Muslim anti semitic, homophobic, hate? What goes through your mind when you see a video like that NC that it's gotten three hundred and fifty thousand views, and I'm thinking, let me say, three hundred fifty times, fifteen CPM thinking, bingo, I don't all of this Pacific radio, but in gender, look, all of us in, none of us, warn, harmful content on our platform armful last quarter, alone, meter more nine million videos from the platform. More recently, we've introduced just like today, we listen search we, you know, we had ranked content based on quality, and so we bringing that same notion and approach to YouTube, so that we can. Iran higher quality stuff, better and really prevent borderline content. Contemplates doesn't exactly why policies, which need to be removed. Tell costs harm. And so we are working hard. It's a hard computer. Science problem. It's also hard societal problem because we need better frameworks around water hate speech. What's not? And how do we as a company make those decisions at scale and get it, right? Without making mistakes. I love that. It's just a hard computer science problem. That's gotta be my favorite answer. Classic. Now I wanna mention don't you think of website that would just totally kicked? Butt would be called the nine million. I'm now, now it could nine million videos down. That's a lot of videos, and that's just in three months. In the last year. Now quarter quarter he said quarter hope ily, moly. Well that was that will do. That was interestingly in the in the Recode interview it was, it was eight million and I don't know if the soon Dr was done before after but he said nine million. So but I think the CEO might be I don't know the CEO of the whole kit and caboodle. I don't know whoever's. Right. But yeah, it's a lot, then that's their purge and that's their ten thousand reviewers and whatever AI things they have going. Yeah. Yeah. Sure the thing is it's. Yeah. Well, just one of the many reasons why we eleven seasons ago, you can turn it into years, if you want, chose a very different model so that we could never get kicked off. But. We've Oude to consistent poverty, and that is why I'd like to thank you for your courage, and say in the morning to you, John C. Wreck. Adam curry in the morning ships at sea boots on the ground feet in the air and some presume the water. The morning to the troll room, no agenda, stream dot com. Very truly today for some reason of. 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Everybody is that's the problem while the doesn't matter because you're not doing anything about it anyway. But it's kind of nice to know. I think anyone wanna I think anyone who has an American. A American Dutch. It was a candidate in past three no British American and German or Dutch passport. I think the Dutch one Dutch passport is great all around the world spooks love that. There's also one, one of our producers just looked like men in black dress. Totally had the black tie the black suit like spoke. Well, he could have been them. I six or something along those lines. We're assuming or G, H, T, C, H Q. But the question is did this did he the spooky character? Donate. I have a deja vu, which makes a total deja view on this. I remember having this exact conversation about a meet up and about spooks and about donating. And I, I. I think they flash me they must have. And when when men in black flashy would shows up as vu, I have none ever asked that question. There you go. 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And we were clogging the, you know, they're, they're, they're the kitchen entrance, and they were all very, it was nice not at any point at get pissed off at the noise, we were making the fire. The fire hazard Oakland. Fire hazard. Again, even plug the place there, bitching and moaning at us. And we notice something in Seattle Seattle, we've discussed this on the show and, and people from the area have told us, this Seattle lights, don't like crowds bar doesn't want to many people in my bar to make too much money. I don't know what to do the get out out. I think we set the tone and, and I think we they business on us and we probably shut the place down. I dunno team tonight left before that took place, anyway. Some thanks from producers who supported the show with on spot. Donations very interesting to see. I don't know if you witness this, when you did the meet up, John, a lot of people went to the Bank and got crisp dollars to to hand in cash, so actual dollars actual dollars. Many of them more than I expected, so Martin from the Welsh valleys, love and light. He says one hundred dollars and these were crisp and it's nice when you get a crisp. Crisp dollar. That's a you don't get those often. No. You did the printing press must be nearby or these or these crisp these Chris pound notes. The plastic another thing. That's new to me that that's weird. You get a kick out of that. Oh my eight through it. Yeah. Yeah. It's like this feels doesn't interest, the queen's ghost when you look through the Holloway area. Let's see nuked said in the evening John. Adam keep the good work, not donated since I saw John twenty seventeen. You guys need to create a crypto address. I anti pay pal folk a lot of requests for that as usual plea shadow to my girls at least, and Ceska. John, you pronounce Saskia as SaaS chaos Saskia last time, which upset her. She was five back then now, seven get Adam to pronounce his Dutch name. Saskia Saskia Saskia. I hope we did it. Right. That's fifty pounds. Thank you very much, sir. Bashir at her. Server here came in with fifty pounds, thank very much Carl Madden from Enfield in London, sixty pounds, sir Burton. Yes, he gave us two hundred pounds. And this was meant as sanity insurance, and he is on the list with an additional donation today to minds will do now, one hundred sixty eight dollars and eighty cents. Just wanted to say, thank you so much for the show, which is significantly responsible for keeping grip on my sanity and amid Daloa I had the honour of attending the London meet up tonight, which was a Mazda and such buzz. Thanks adamant. Tina for taking the time out of your honeymoon to do, so mental great people. I meet up a definitely not my last I made two donations today, two hundred dollars to Adam in person, and one thirty three via pay pal three hundred and thirty three pounds total. Which means I make executive producer is say, yes, he should be up one level. Yes. So I can I please do this. So I can update my linked in profile apologies. It was in two parts. The man wouldn't let me get any more cash out of bad planning on my part. Oh, yes, he had to go to the to the ATM, and he couldn't get enough, money out or something like that. It also means. I mean I'd hood level at long last added to my monthly contributions over the last ten years, try to polling -ly badly to explain to Adam at the meet up, but would like to request the tight-lip sir g which is pronounced as in the Indian clarified butter, French gay GUI Sergei. But it'll be G E, hopefully the committee will see fit. Anyway, you are busy people the gay if he's going to be Sergey, like the butter shouldn't be G, H E. That's gay. Yeah. He just wants GE. You sure he didn't say, gee, h e. No, he wrote it down in several places, so yes. And thank you very much for your courage. And we will night, the Sergei later on the only had excuse me, sir. 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Do that was initially going for a sixty oh, six Segi boobs. But rounded up to seventy five all the best to you and Tina, I don't recall, if he had Seki boobs. Robin. It was hard to read. This was dial. Sleuth. Couldn't really read his handwriting was just a just written on the envelope. One hundred pounds Robin. Thank you very, much, Marcus, aka, the oath WB and his smoking hot girlfriend. Jozo. One hundred dollars. Thank you very much, there any note with that. Thanks for the ongoing support with mental health wellbeing regular sanity. Check in the morning, gentlemen. Then we had, sir black knights or Brian barrow of Wootton Bassett Barra of Barbados, two hundred pounds. And that was from I believe the whole family. Adam, and John, this donation takes me step closer to becoming a he says count count. Viscount. I think it means Viacom small price to pay to keep you on the air, even better, it should keep me just ahead of, sir. Luke of London. 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I think that's for good luck for the for the for the newly married Roosevelt, senior director at oracle consulting at this moment, trying to get a job in Dubai listening from episode ten twenty one but haven't donated yet so he wants to be digital. Been deed. Do says call me douchebag deducing you for that please? Tell divorce act to learn something about the microbes architecture. Properly developed managed micro service based solutions as more resilient than any current legacy system. And the nine one one outage from episode eleven oh, one definitely was not caused by micro service architecture. I'm assuming the nine one one system is running on virtual infrastructure that was fifty times migrated from one provider to another. And now it's managed by people that don't have documentation and don't understand it. We'll take that. Thank you very much except that explanation. But I'm not going to accept the notion, micro services architecture is the greatest thing since lice bread, which he implies dude named Bennett at this deigning nerdy, voice. Final to here, which you'll appreciate. Dude named Ben m five m high Adam Tina, and John finding clothes and anonymous donation to the best podcast and university of one hundred pounds. I worked for the BBC. So do not want to be mentioned by name. Yes. We understand that he gave me a lot of interesting insight into what is going on over there that the BBC. And then finally, no, I'm sorry, we have, sir. Kevin strange one hundred pounds and votre London, who has a stationary, which is I've never seen this before it has a beautiful logo and at the top, it's the. Z. A P A. Have you heard of this outfit? It is the old samba apocalypse prevention agency. Votre London forty two pounds from him. Thank you very much. And he wants them. Goat karma that we have some relationships karma jobs, karma, and go karma. And again, thank you. Everybody who came to the meet up. This was a great one for us personally for teen myself. It was just really nice man's feel very welcome. And, and it was as I said, the most diverse. And I just, I'm just, I'm just full of how wonderful it was. Jobs, jobs, and jobs. That's vote for. Producers, and our meet up donations. Remember, we'll be doing another show on Sunday. I will be coming to you from Northern Ireland. You can support the show. Dot org slash and a pretty sure, you know what's going on here in the UK. That's why you need to propagate off formula is this we go out. Hit people in the mouth. I think it's time to get to a little local or national politics, just please. Let's start with Biden versus Trump in Iowa's, ABC, re port. President Trump heading to Iowa today where Joe Biden was waiting for him the former vice president making his most direct attacks yet. The president is literally an extra stench threat to America into Tamwe Iowa Biden said the president, undermines American values. But this is a guy who does everything to separate and frightened. People about fear and loathing. No presence done something. History, lesson or just want me to play the whole clip. And it's damaging Biden is eager to look past his democratic rivals in just one speech today. He references the president seventy six times. Trump is paying close attention. He was some place in Iowa today. He said my name so many times if people couldn't stay that anymore. No. Don't keep saying. Sleepy guy. The president taking a page out of his twenty sixteen playbook attacking the former vice president stamina and mental fitness. He looks different than it used to the active that he used to. He's even slower than it used to be run against citing violent than anybody. I think he's the weakest mentally and I like running a kids people that are weak, mentally, Mr.. The president says he would rather run against you than anyone else. I have no idea. Is leading in the early polls. But with twenty three democratic candidates to choose from some Democrats, we spoke with today aren't sold yet. I really respect. I loved him spice president. But I think he has to bag. He's accumulated over the years was Democrats, some new blood in the party. What do you make? Disability stability stability we need. Somebody knows the rose. Isn't that a great clip now? I love the insults. Also. Has no one jumped on him for, you know, talking about people who are mentally challenged. No at this point is just they just did media is doing Trump's bidding against again. Got it now they're taking because his he's outrageous with his comments about Biden being sleepy Joe they got that in there and mentally, something's mentally wrong, and slow, they put that in, because it's like it's colorful livens up to report. But if they're really out to get Trump, they're gonna. The. They're, they're really think they're doing themselves. A service. I think they're doing the Democrats is service by pointing out, Trump's that, that Trump says these things not realizing again, it's a stupidity thing, not realizing that this is the anything that sticks in people's minds. Sleepy joe. He's mentally incompetent. Not dumber than it used to be I priced. He hasn't brought up the taking his head of the top of his head off twice. I am. I don't think he knows go only people if he listened to the show. I don't think that many people know about that. Yeah, it would be a perfect following. I mean they took the top was head off twice. I mean how can he be president? Who knows what they put in there. I can write this stuff where all day long, baby. It's something you saving. My not sure for the media is just and they, they put these packages together and become a Larry. If you listen to them. Like. Now, we had this woman or CBS to report on what is the CBS because I have the I can give you the Ortiz, the isos, I've already tease Ortiz. Is that who you're thinking of our teachers a baseball player shot? Okay. I would I'm gonna just give you an end. I'm gonna do the isos play the three isos that I found. Okay. And then they'll show up in different clips. Okay. Oh, nice. Oh, this is like a treasure hunt. Yes. To this one. Here is woman. Lisa Chang, or lease ABC's, Chinese kind of China, was she changes American or Chinese. I can't tell but she's on CBS and she can't print. She can't pronounce Putin. Oh, she's worse than the other one ruin the these over the wall, girl who used to be on RT. You couldn't say pushy Putin, Putin Putin put in disco can't even get that out. Listen to this with Russian President Vladimir Putin later this pew. What did she say? T- Dros together, Poon dash she I just was not my clipping her that way. She can't say Putin again in President Vladimir Putin later. Putin. Emphasized the women from YouTube that important. Yes. Okay. Now we got classic the new. Whoa, whoa, whoa, from burn. Okay. Whoa. Will will will will will rue. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Who will go again the Bernie thing. Well, a well he he does wo does. Well, I have it here. Let me see. Yes to reverse this one. So this is this one here. Whoa. Will will will will will. And this is. Different one to find it. I like this. This is definitely this is a whoa. Will will will will will MRs perfect? I think that's a contender. Big contender contender. Yeah. And then there's the perjury eyeso- sorry worrying about perjury. I think it's just another reporters shouting, I. Yeah. I think I think Bernie takes it. Well, I would say so too. All right. So let's go to the other does go with. We have Trump in Poland part one. Yes. What do you lie over, and everything, was polish guy there? And then you these doing sales, and is so obvious funny day, Washington DC saw and heard something that hasn't happened in more than one hundred years. It was a staged military flyover of the White House. We Shang on what it was all about. A single f thirty five fighter jet flew over the White House. Celebrating two things. President Trump is fund of a good deal in good show. He watched the display with polish president Andre Duda in their wives. Just minutes before making this join announcement. I was very pleased that Poland announce the intend to purchase thirty two American made f thirty five fighter aircraft. Like you just saw the f thirty five the most expensive US weapons program ever is projected to top a trillion dollars over its lifespan, an hour flight time is about forty four thousand dollars. The defense deal with Warsaw also includes the deployment of one to two thousand US troops to Poland, which will cover the costs to support them would be taken them out of Germany, or would be moving them from another location, had pushed for more US servicemembers, and even suggested setting up a permanent base called four Trump. For trump. He's going for legacy man. Something, something that can be changed in twenty years, because of just like for it. Let confederacy no good. They start off as report by saying, they haven't had a fly over since for one hundred years is what she says she's saying that in nineteen nineteen the Wright brothers, flew, who the hell what, what display was flying over the White House at nineteen nineteen, I'd like to know I'd like to know to f thirty five I don't really think now did the F thirty five hover did it to do its trick. Did it? No. It just flew over because it can do stuff, flew over slowly though. Yeah, it can do a very slow pass. It's that I'm impressed by the aircraft. But otherwise, it's a. Most people think a piece of crab most the business. Well, people who have to fly think it's a piece of crap. Yeah. Well, here's part two of that report. Polish president talked about the need to beef up security in the region in response to heightened Russian aggression. Mr. Trump said this about Moscow, are you hope that Poland is going to have a great relationship with Russia. I think it's possible. I really do. I think because of what you've done in the strength, and maybe we help also. President Trump is expected to meet with Russian President Vladimir Putin later this month on the sidelines of the g twenty summit in Japan and with Chinese president Xi Jinping as those two leaders, try to work out a trade deal, Margaret, we Jiang at the White House like one clip from this, because there was one topic, I was particularly interested in, in regards to Poland, as you recall, the president, when he was still running for office, went to the polish community and said within two weeks. I will have Poland in the visa waiver program, which is seen as a member of the European Union. It is unbelievable that they have been shunned from the visa waiver program. You can't just hop on a plane do a little esta paperwork, which you can do online, and enter the United States. We have many thoughts on why that is, I would say, I think the main thought is blamed on Israel. Yes. Well, there's, there's a huge movement in the United States, even telling congress Senate and house representatives eve, equally do not do business with Poland because they killed the Jews were their concentration camps. I'm paraphrasing, but that's kind of what it comes down to. And here's what Trump said, I also want to congratulate Poland for its progress on meeting US criteria for entry into the visa waiver program today, our country signed day, preventing and combating serious crimes agreement a significant unnecessary step for Poland's entry into the program, though, we still have some work to do we hope to welcome Poland into the visa waiver program very soon, and that's a very big deal. We'll see there's a lot of the. Anti-polish hatred in, in our congress. Yes. And they're the same guys who bitch and moan about Trump cozying up to Netanyahu. Yahu courses under attack. I have the bonus clip is kind of interesting because I think this is kind of lame when Israeli voters, go to the polls in September, they will have one little factor to consider this time. It's the prime minister's wife, Sarah, Netanyahu has agreed to plead guilty in one of several corruption cases facing minute, now, who family or Lieberman explains. The case against Sarah Netanyahu involves the illegal ordering of catered meals to the official prime minister's residence in Jerusalem. Sarah, Netanyahu alone, with a manager of the residents order nearly fifty thousand dollars of meals, according to updated indictment filed in court Wednesday, that's illegal under Israeli law. When there's already official chef at the residents and prosecutors say there was one at the time, Sarah Netanyahu pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking advantage of mistake. Now. What kind of what cabbage charge is unfairly taking advantage of a mistake? It's. Something losers. Do. Taking advantage of a mistake as what she's charged. Didn't guilty is that? That's an actual charge. Did you hear the end? I know. But. Is it really true it, what I know? The end again. That was that was Rayleigh voters, go to the polls, that's illegal under Israeli law. When they're starting Yahoo alone. With a manager of the residents order nearly fifty thousand dollars of meals, according to an updated indictment filed in court Wednesday, that's illegal under Israeli law. When there's already an official chef at the residents prosecutors say, there was one at the time, Sarah at Yahoo pleaded guilty to the lesser charge of unfairly taking advantage of a mistake. This is this must be some biblical shit. This guy a law. What else could make sense for the Old Testament, what else could make sense like that? I. Completely befuddling. Hey Hilary showed up on a podcast. Yes, yes, she still running in your mind. She's still getting ready, ready? Cosmic Winnie side contenders. Two thousand to two thousand twenty which is linked linked to it all the time. In fact, the last newsletter I believe it was linked to on one of the photos and I still have it because I'm just going by what I've witnessed right now bite in his the Doug star Bernie still number one in my book, followed by Hillary, if she chooses to run she will immediately go to that spot. It's almost like a French three star chef before he opens the restaurant they grant him to stall ours without even side, right? Right. By healer true. Well, these true, these are producer produce clips from the unredacted podcast. Two short ones this I found to be the most interesting. You tell them if they're if they wanna get to cyber security, Tom. You might wanna do it yesterday. I do I do, Emily. Because but I, I worry that it's probably too late. By the time they come to see me. I would bet that the leading candidates have already been hacked. This is the biggest crisis. They're both their campaign accounts. And if they're in public office, and there are enough of high profile candidate there Senate office, or their congressional office or their governor's office. Yeah, big statement. Well, that's what I believe, and she would be the one to know considering the political spying that she allegedly did between twenty twelve and twenty sixteen. I have to say, allegedly. Second clip is about Clooney t want to hear my crazy idea. Yes. I love. So this is a crazy idea. But I think it's brilliant cuts came up with George Clooney should run from ish McConnell, Senate seat that a wonderful idea. There's not a chance in whatever he would do that. And besides I think Amal would probably kill them with the twins and everything going on in their lives. But he'd be great. Killer. We always knew she was the handler. But you don't have to be that explicit about hill. Crazy. Yes, I missed it. Yeah. Not just on the State Department and the spying stuff. And this is our local, US politics. So there's, there's a important piece of information that came out about the Steele dossier as it relates to the State Department and not in this. And this is when I believe John Kerry was running the State Department, and it's the first one is about this. The Ukrainian guy clinic, I think his name is, who, who was one of the main reasons I think Manafort, went to jail is because he was talking to Kalinic and was giving clinic, the polling results, the secret polling results and passing on information even though Manafort wasn't convicted of any of that stuff as far as that was really the insinuation like, oh, you know, he was with clinic with clinic was Russia, ties to Russia, oligarchy Russia, Russia, Russia. Russia key, finding the Miller report Ukrainian businessman at Constantine killing neck who worked for Trump campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, is tied to Russian intelligence, but hundreds of pages of government documents which special counsel, Robert Muller possess since twenty eighteen described clinic as a quote, sensitive intelligence source for the US department who informed on Ukrainian and Russian matters. Why Muller's team omitted that part of the? Clinic narrative from its report and related court filings is not known. But the revelation of it comes as the accuracy of Muller's Russia conclusions face increased scrutiny Solomon continues, quote, the incomplete. Portrayal of clinic is so important to Muller's overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report, the FBI assesses Kalinic to have ties to Russian intelligence Muller seem wrote on page six putting sinister light on every contacts clinic had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman. We got to get these millennials out of the news business girl on ecstasy or. As I said, we got to get these kids out of the news business, so along with that goes goes, the, the next clip, which Tom fitne- of Judicial Watch who is apparently living with Sean Hannity now to make sure on the air every night, there was more than one dossier you had to steal dossier. And it looks like he had a dossier created by Jonathan winer at the State Department using as a source not only steel, but folks, like Sidney Blumenthal Clinton aide or pal and Cody sheer who goes back for a long time with the Clinton group. This is just a credible in the sense that everyone's been thinking suggest department, the FBI that's where all the bad activities was taking place secretary Pompeo needs to be working with AG bars closely as any other agency, head in terms of decoding the deep state conspiracy against then candidate Trump. And then President Trump, and they were they were desperate to get this information out to their friendly Democrats on the hill just before Trump was inaugurated, and it wasn't to help President Trump, it was tried to destroy him and undermine them. Everyone who was paying close attention to this all jacked up. Oh, yeah. They're going down people go into jail. And I don't think so I don't think I don't think so for a second. This is all great. But no, I really don't think so. But we'll see. There are people much smarter than you and I on the case. Yeah, probably true. But does meeting was going to final political one. The big one big the big story today. The story that I like is like talk about little bit, which is the census report in the question in the scandal because they have Trump saying something on the air. The census report or just the census what, what executives answers the question. That's on the census that asked for if your citizen citizen or not. Yeah. Yeah. So we have two clips on this. Okay. I play this. This is the contempt over the census question. I if it's clip, I'm thinking of, it's a gem across the capital, another vote to hold the attorney general in contempt of congress and the commerce secretary to the Democrats lead. The house oversight committee said the men had stonewall efforts to investigate how a controversial new citizenship question, ended up in the US census, that's designed to intimidate and instill fear. The administration retaliated by exerting executive privilege over the census documents congress wants as the president defended the new question. I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody's citizen or not that doesn't. Good to this court is expected to rule this month on whether the citizenship question can be included in the twenty twenty census experts have warned that the question will discourage some immigrant families from filling out the forms, thereby Margaret skewing population data. All right. That wasn't a clip. I wonder. It was okay. It's sets the background. Yeah. Play the clip contempt. That's the one I just chances. That's the one I just played you played contempt. Yeah, contempt over census question. That's weird. Okay. Play the bonus clip Dennis's bonus Trump on census. I don't have all. Yes. I do know exact privilege. Yes. Spoke about invoking executive privilege. Let's listen. I think that and I'm not overly involved in that, that's really a legal matter. But I think when you have a census and you're not allowed to talk about whether or not somebody's citizen or not that doesn't sound so good to me. Can you imagine you send out a census and you're not allowed to say whether or not a person's in American citizen in Poland, they say, they're either polish or they're not right? So I don't wanna get into this battle, but. It's it's, it's ridiculous. I think it's. I think it's totally ridiculous that we would have a census without asking, but the supreme court is going to be ruling on it soon, I think when a census goes out, you should find out, whether or not, and you have the right to ask, whether or not somebody is a citizen of the United States. So controversial decision there because it is not a citizenship poll is a population, pole and some critics say that this would dissuade some people from being counted the issue to him. He actually seems to be condoning. The idea of knowing who's a citizen in not even though this information is not supposed to be shared. That's not what someone taking the census would believe if they were filling out that question. Absolutely. It is something that we have not seen before. And that is why this is going to have to decide it, you know, involved or not. He has made his views extremely clear thought we had seen this before. I thought it was on the census at one point in history. Wasn't it a may or may not have been, but I'm more interested in this in this skewed skewed presentation by CNN? I don't know who this woman is that it was Dana bash. It was she was interviewing as she someone to be interviewed a reporter as reporters interviewing reporters, but she's states, she, she's married to used to be married to some, you know, like agency guy. Dana bash. Yeah. I think so. Could be. But she goes on. She makes this comet which sticks in the crew was sticking some people's minds as the first of all, let's talk about this. The census thing after I bring up at least one point. Let me read from let me read from the United States constitution article one section to it states, quote, representatives, and direct taxes shall be apportioned among the states, according to their respective numbers, the actual enumeration Shelby made within three years after the first meeting of the congress of the United States and win within every subsequent term of ten years section two of the fourteenth amendment states representatives Shelby, apportioned among the several states, according to their respective numbers, counting, the whole number of persons in each state, excluding Indians, not taxed. That's it. And and and show. She says. She says it's not a citizen poll. It's not a poll. She says it's not as coal at all is. It's not a citizen poll. It's a population poll is not opposed to count. But when she says that I wanna read from the first page of the census bureau's website. The first census counted, the population provided information on population by country by county in seventeen ninety the senses also categorize white males by age those under sixteen and those age sixteen in older. That's, that's race. Hello race. That's not a part of the white male. Yes. And it's not a white male poll in population pole. But nobody said that over the years congress has authorized the dishes questions enabling us to better understand, and Asians. Inhabitants and their activties needs. In fact, one of the nation's founders James Madison suggested that the that the census takers, ask additional questions that would help lawmakers better understand the needs of the. Nation. Wait a minute is just a population poll goes on with all the examples that they started asking about how many children were born to woman, how many Hispanics, there are the growth of Spanish population, computer usage, apparently has gotten into the poll, the pole the Senate, the senses, the sense itself. But this is disingenuous to say it's not a it's not a citizen, polish population poll all all of this is bullshit. The only thing that needs to be done is enumeration counting. It's only count everything else that has been put in and has been used before after the after the this was in the constitution is outside of the scope, it should be you shouldn't even have to say how many people live in my house. It's a everyone to go out. We count, everybody and go home. That's it. Yeah, they gave with that handed about eighteen ten. Of course it did. To sing. But if you're going to ask a bunch of questions, I don't think that the citizenship questions out of the ordinary knows it, so I'll take that. But I'm gonna take this is the other side and, and try to understand what they're thinking. I know it thinking they're worried sick and they talk about it the Democrats I'm talking about here or worried sick that because the question, just appears. That all the, you know, the illegals that thirty million or ten million or how many million you want to count. Won't answer the question they won't take they eliminate themselves from the polls by just by their nature of being suspicious. And with good reason, I'd say, but they're suspicious so they won't take them, and it will lower the numbers in states like California and Texas in areas where there's a large immigrant community of illegals illegal aliens. I'll use the term and that the numbers will be skewed, which will give the whites more power over over the illegals in congress over the Democrats in particular, because these people they Democrats into a funny way are admitting that the illegals vote for them almost exclusively, and they need to be counted so we can get more. You know, we're gonna portion more representatives to areas that are largely illegal aliens, that will represent the democrat party and congress. So is both sides are kind of playing a game here. Yeah. They're not quite bringing it out the way, you know, the Republicans are playing the denial. I don't think so. No, we're not trying to pull a stunt and the Democrats aren't quite saying what I just said, which is, yeah, they're pulling a stunt to screw us because all these illegal aliens are voting for us illegally. And so, we had to put up with these new stories that are half asked and women like this anchor saying, well, it's not a senescent ship poll. It's a it's a population poll. I like like your Dana bash voice. Well was it? Dana bash. There was doing it. I'm sorry anchor. Well strictly taken from the constitution, it was just a head count done. It didn't matter at the time if you were. Citizen or not. I don't think that passports when they did. Maybe they do. Right. Did they have passports? I don't know passports into the disapp- passports disappeared throughout history on an off again, apparently the last global effort to globalize the were globalized that will the country's was just before to the bad story. I mean I research is somewhat but just before World War One. The passports situation with Shane was, like, really the thing because we're globalizing it'd be on great. And global trade was way up the numbers look good. But because there's no passports, no citizenship. He just roaming around. That's how that guy just roamed over you to Austria. Wary went to shoot guy that started World War One. Yes. Franz fairly of for all for like kind of is now in Europe for just floating around, and there was no, the passports were just they came back into vogue after the World, War One. And this is leading this now we at the same repeating of history, and we're gonna this, late into another war, some sort. There was a, a brief period in the history of the show, we were talking about. I think it was in Texas too. Now, I should probably run for congress and we, we discussed this a little bit. And at a certain point if I recall IRC that you said it would be great, because we would love to see the slow corruption of Adam curry. Do you recall this member saying that? But it's something I'd say Alexandria. Cossio Cortez is actually going through that process right now and rate, and this clip is her on the street on the being interviewed on the street of DC after she had just voted for a pay increase for all of congress. And these things are always very interesting. These pay increases the population in general hates it. Why? Because well, a congress critter makes I think one hundred seventy thousand dollars a year. And this was a forty five hundred dollar annual pay increase to make up for what we call the cost of living. Now. The it's always a tough one for politicians because, of course, they want more money, but it's a lot of money. They're already getting you probably need a lot of money to be a politician and function in, in DC social, so she voted for for the pay increase. Her defense is mind boggling, especially with the modern monetary theory that she and her like minded colleagues espouse, which is print as much money as we need green new deal. Ten trillion for that is exactly what creates the disparity in wages and cost of living. When you inflate the money supply, the money becomes less valuable, and you need more of it to buy goods and services and pay rent or mortgages etcetera, the a hidden tax diminishes the value of your money. So for anyone to. On one hand say, oh, we really need to, you know, we need this pay increase on the other hand wants to inflate the money supply factor of a hundred. It's, it's kind of insane, but listen to how she defends voting for this pay increase. Pressure to turn to lobbying firms to cash in on member service after people we've because because precisely of the issue. So it mean be politically convenience and it may make you look good in the short term. We're not voting for pain creases, but we should be fighting for pay increases for every American worker, should be fighting for fifteen dollars minimum wage pegged to inflation so that everybody in the United States with a salary with, with a wage gets a cost of living increase members of congress retail workers. Everybody should get a cost of living increases to accommodate for the Americana me. And then we don't do that only increases the pressure on members to explain loopholes, like insider trading loopholes to make it on the back. So. She's gonna say this again. I just want you to understand what she said by not having enough money as a politician members what she by not having enough money for the cost of living at your one hundred seventy thousand base salary, now, it, it is bad, because this makes members want to take high paying lobby jobs after they leave and to use insider trading loopholes, which we've talked about extensively on this podcast as you are immune from insider trading if you make laws and you, you have a law on the books, so you know about someone in congress, and, yeah, it's going to affect a sector, you buy or sell stock based upon that it is completely legal for them to do as long as they report it, which is record somewhere in the basement of the library of congress. They refused to put their these actions on on the online. Exact that's the scandal. But she's saying she the only been that what she'd been there, a couple of months. He's already saints already knows. He already knows about the loopholes and the scams. And she'll double down on it. We don't do that only increases the pressure on members to explain loopholes, like insider, trading polls to make it on the back. There's obviously think take it out this institution. It's an optician. They don't want that. And that's my issue is that, if superficial, you know, you, can you can vote against pay increases all you want. It's in my opinion voting against a pay forty it's not even like a race. It's a cost of living just so it's not even like a raise living. The cost of living all you want, and it'll look good on its surface. But it will every cost of living just -ment that, that gets bypassed is voting to increase the pressure to exploited loopholes and legal loopholes to kind of lean on other ways through. Service. And so my whole side of it is, like it may not be optics. It may not be great optics. It may not like. Look, the best in terms of your opponents could use it as a political expert as a political issue. But in substance, you might as well be transparent about a cost of living, increase fight for cost of living increase all American workers, headman minimum wage will cost of living increase, and then on top of it the close all the loopholes that a lot of people use, when it comes to, you know, sitting on a committee and knowing what legislation may be coming down the, the loophole and changing your stockholdings or letting you know, issues, and I don't think that voting against toss of living increase is gonna gate, the hash oil issues. Can't infected only increases the pressure for people to. I were a member at an and I looked at these octa at. After. I would immediately foia her stockholdings. She is he mentioned it too many times, she's on committee. She chairs a committee. I'd like to know. I think she chairs the subcommittee. She still is. She still is in committee. She knows what she was going on. She knows all about this rule in somebody, and she's run by this Justice, democrat the team. The number one team that the go to guys who once again, we're not there when she made the statement when when he's Lucia loose on the streets. Hobby lecture about it. So she knows about it, and they know about it. And so they, they may be out of they deem to their portfolio. Yeah. Insider depends on what are you gonna define insider, you, if you if you just follow legislation, and then you would vest or not invest, it's not the same as being an insider it is even though it is for the legislative people, but if you're being tipped off by them, and it's not illegal for them to do it. I think is legal for you to do the trading too. So they're probably I'm not saying, I'm not saying it's illegal, I just like to not just like to know it, it should be publicised CI mentioned. That's the problem is, she mentioned it. Let's find out about it. You can go into the archives and you can get it. But someone has to go and do the work to go into Washington DC go down, and do that might not be a bad trip to make I might do it myself. Jin. Imagine all the people who do willia-. That'd be. We do a few people think for I go to Washington, DC, spend my time. I'm already purchasing a ticket online for you. Love to see you go do that you kidding. That's great do it. I mean, I got things I do in Washington DC L areas again. Burton. D is in years. It went sixty. This is one sixty eight eighty donation different note of by the way. So one of the things about today's show we've mentioned Father's Day in the newsletter. So Adams, going to read alongside as I go through these. We have a Father's Day. Call out and we have a few of them. 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And she did have a follow up, which I thought was good to share in less. You have anything else any call out there, that's it. But you got I've not seen anything. She says limited nation dot com poll fittingly while Flying Cross the convict, not everyone. Everyone's happy. When oh, okay. I, I heard you response to the liberty nation dot com poll fittingly while flying across the country. I'm not sure everyone was happy. When I burst into loud, spontaneous laughter while listening to the show to are a riot. If you didn't have to clean up. I am not number two at liberty nation. I am editor in chief, number one. That she was number two. I did. I said, I said, I said, she's the number one number two because I think he didn't found the company. But all you're considering that you, the Adam would be the type that would always consider a founder, number one. Yes, I wanted about. Yes. So she is the big Kahuna editor in chief, that I will tell you for certain, we did not step on the poll. I double double, Chuck double check this with Mark, nj leadis? I think it is managing editor at liberty nation. He did say feelings are a bit hurt, though, because he actually does listen to no agenda, in the UK. And when one of you, they'll be me said, the author of the article, who was Mark only listen to five minutes. He got a bit miffed. Did he go to the meet up? My point. Exactly. Let me see personally. I hope you guys kiss and make up, perhaps play him a karma jingle that might do the trick. I tried to get him to go to the meet up, but he was just in London covering the anti Trump chlorinated chicken protests. Oh, well, okay. Well, anyway. Oh, he's not interested. He's in the UK now London. Yeah, they're pretty they're bitching, not just in London. But around there were other bitching about us shipping. Our chickens. Yes, chlorate. We drop them in a not chlorinated as chlorine bath, that the chickens go through kill Sam Annella and make chickens and stuff. Birds Logan here. It's a Brexit slogan. That's why it's being used here. They just say, oh, yeah. You want chlorinated it. It's that you hear every ten minutes in the media in the UK. And the reason why is the EU the European Union's doesn't allow chlorinated chicken. They just give it to you with the salmonella, so people are very worried. Natural when they Brexit then then they'll only be eating chlorinated chicken. It's one of those guessing, although I don't know, this is a fact but it seems likely 'cause it's a Queant is being manufactured and sold by the group boatload that the chicken in coming out of those, those robot factories in Holland largely. Yeah. Have gamma radiation exposure at the end of the line, and you blasted chicken with some gamma radiation, and that which we should be doing here, and that would kill that would do the job of the chlorine. I'm only it would internalize to now. I think we concluded on the last show. It's a dumb meat. And I think everyone meter dummy, by the way, guys. Liberty nation is a conservative website while we do have to staunch libertarians on writing staff of twelve authors. We are primarily a run of the mill group of deplorables because we are liberty nation. I kind of feel. Live and let live is the best policy. I m curious as to why you thought we were primarily libertarian site. Well, because on your site, it says you've got libertarians and gays and blacks and Jews and whatever. So I figured, you couldn't be conservative that doesn't sound right. We will just questioning as usually what? Though. I mean, I don't know when where the other paying more attention to that site. It's nice. It's good site to Kendall's things properly as well. I think you said they see more libertarian, it doesn't matter. It's just a label said that because I think that of. Yeah. No one cares. He got good information record is fine. Well, she's editor in chief, the number one, she has every right to she's a day, editor in chief, as usual. You guys were right on the staff as to whether this poll focuses on only conservative podcasts or podcast conservatives love to download and listen to it is indeed, what they prefer to listen to. So we added an Asterix or s tick as. As what's his face would say, L Sharpton stick, we had an attic, in the story for clarification with a hat tip to know agenda. They edited went back in very good. So, yes, now, she has one question the couple of other beautiful things to say, but she says, yes, Dame is nice. But if we're dishing title she'd like to be known as a lady. And I think if you're Dame than you by definition Our Lady, so, and so a night is, sir. So a Dame as lady, and I think lady, Lisa sounds good. Okay. What should be referred to this fine? Okay. I mean we put that in the notes. Yeah, we'll do that civic Dame Dame wants to be referred to as lady. That's fine. We got it. 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I think you should do it especially see how many people did have their rings. At the meet up, so please do that love showed of you deserve it. Please do that. Quick list of the meet ups, that we have coming up Copenhagen, June fifteenth, the fourth of July in Seattle, June, July ninth, Knoxville, Tennessee. What are you going to bet sir? Patrick will be there Atlanta Georgia on July thirteenth. Another southwest London meet up on July twentieth. And on the twentieth. A brand new one entered Buffalo New York. Penetration testing humor. Lynn. I got an urgent report from Sweden just came in from Eric. Wow. I mean, let me read this to you. He said as of Monday on Monday, June tenth the following happened in Sweden. That was probably not or under reported you ready for this, this is one day in Sweden. Bomb threatening English-speaking e you citizen carrying three passports, shot by police at mama central station men shot at figures show outside of Stockholm team train conductor salted by two men or a bow array, bro. Pedestrian run over during police pursuit in Stockholm men shot and killed him Momo shooting in another part of Momo attempted murder shooting Inten, Stockholm shooting in gut soon up Salah another shooting OSA later in the day in connection with the fight involving ten to fifteen people man found stabbed in Salem outside Salk Stockholm, another man taken to hospital after knife fight between neighbors outside Helsingborg to critically injured after knife fight in connection to a softball game and losing be two more bombings in mama at late night. This leaves out the large bombing of an apartment building in Licko ping previous, the previous Friday, which injured twenty five and damaged two hundred and fifty apartments. Did you hear any of this? Curse, especially the apartment being blown up. This is what you get when your news is focused on Bo. Joe with the MO Jo and Orangemen bad. It's pathetic. No wonder you're losing your ass. Matt reporting knows Orangemen bad. Will see at it sounds like they have issues that need to be resolved. To side based issues. Gala -tarian your. Yes. Well, the one piece of news that I thought was very important. That does why sent the bonus clips off, which is this, which happened just re just as the show is being produced and needed to be discussed a little bit, which is the, the ship to two ships, being attacked variously re reported as by torpedoes it was shells. Nobody release got the storage straight. It'll be straightened out as after the show's done, but. By the way, this reflects almost to a T. The kind of stuff that was in the, the, the short one thirteen episode season of Rubicon performing a developing story out of the Gulf of a mon-, the US navy says it's responding to reports attacks on shipping vessels, that a statement goes on to say that US naval forces in the region received two separate distress goals this morning. Local time as ships in the area are rendering assistance news, sending oil prices up sharply US. Crude prices full percent. Details of reports first Mersch currently up molding t percent as you can see see an international diplomatic Edison. Rogerson folding developments from here in London. I wanna go to go to she's in Abu Dhabi. We know right now in terms of confirm detail. It said developing story, but at this point, we know that an incident took place onto shipping vessels in the Gulf of Oman. And in particular in these. Since we know that one oil, tankers was involved and a chemical of us will carrying chemical products was involved, the company that owns the chemical products shipping company, that, that level says that they're shipped was a touch twice with some sort of shell. We know what this point that forty four people crew. Members of those two ships have been rescued by the Irani navy. Okay. What's your assessment of, of the sich somethings? I knew you'd like that. What's the Sitch Kim impossible? No, I think it could be a how about this. I'm about market Myrick. How about market manipulation doing this? How about market manipulation relations part of it? That would be, that's the reference to Rubicon. Yes. And the and the, the oil price was already going down way too low uncomfortable. We can't have any of that, as let's shoot a ship full oil, or maybe we'll just say this that we've seen video up. Yeah, we crept the Gulf Thompkin that was a classic look into that. And we'll have to see reach funny. We'll have to see. I mean going back in time I do have a clip from twenty twenty ten. Which, I just I ran into a cache of old archived material from the dream from the recorders that I used back in twenty ten and I was on here and it's just I had to read it. I'm in two to produce them, but got a kick out of this one, because I don't know that NBC. It rock Rockfeller center has they have a store. Yeah. And I don't know that they sell Donald Trump memorabilia, but apparently in twenty ten according to O'Reilly who ridiculed this when he had a TV show, this Riley, says ten ten by the way, according to rally that would this was this was the pro in twenty ten this is what they were doing. NBC news continues to fort, the president just about every way at their headquarters in Manhattan. The NBC store is selling Obama merchandise, doll shirts mugs, you can get them all at the NBC store, didn't see any Sarah Palin stuff there. I didn't see both fresh, but they may have been sold out. It's the Obama fetish from back, then it was great. It was good times. Everyone loved him. We're feeling good. It was hoping change. It was fabulous hope and change. Jay, have you, I record up with no open pocket full of chain. I recommended you. You watch this fleabag on. I think it's on net flicks series. Have you watched this fleabag? Yeah. To watch. To watch episode of the first episode just because we're talking about about Obama, and I thought it was very realistic. She's lying in bed with her boyfriend and, you know, they're, they're basically breaking up or. No, they just had sex and he's done, and she was clearly not done heroes overdose asleep. And she's watching Obama masturbating to bomb. What president did anyone do that, too. But Obama, I can't think any other any other president. The Clinton particularly white women Clinton Clinton, but they were forced out your the worst. In fact. Back in time. Beck. And we are very proud to say that he Bulla has moved from the Congo to a new spot in Africa and predictions, always are when he Bola shows up that the military is on the way detected by the hills. Walkers at ca gun hospital with signs and symptoms of Bala, and immediately transferred an isolated at where post Beatle Bala treatment unit for the money meant a blood sample was drawn and sent for testing at Uganda virus research, institute, very early on the morning of June, eleventh, and the some protested positive for Bala all the other Congolese, family members have been identified in isolation at where hospital. Afternoon, the World Health Organization set. Two new cases of Paula has been confirmed minister of health, they while canonisation and the center for disease control of dispatched a rapid response team to assist to support the teams who are on the ground to continue with the various activities, including contact tracing and kiss management. The ministry of health, W CDC will undertake ring vaccination of contacts to the kiss and other non-vaccinated frontline health workers, as well as other workers beginning fourteenth, June twenty nineteen. So this. Ring vaccination is what really caught my, my Iran. This. Apparently, there is a first of all this is right? This is thirty kilometers from compiler in Uganda. This is a big deal. This is this is this is now not just some little place where mining up in, in the Congo. Compa. This is where big terrorist attacks. Take place is a lot of things happen in Uganda, and we've sent CDC which as we know is has its roots in military, but then they're doing these ring vaccinations, which is here. It is the r v s v dash. Z. E. B O V. And it's vaccine that is experimental. And they call this ring vaccination approach. By offering to contacts of the people diagnosed with A Bola and their contacts. And also frontline workers to be vaccinated with the test vaccine. I don't know what the plan is on this. But I think. Wasn't there? Isn't there a legitimately tested already vaccine free bullet? They were shooting people up within the Congo. This is the same one but it's not legitimately tested. I thought it was that same thing ring testing ring testing, which let me see if I have, I'm on for million with this. Well, it's a way of saying, we're going to test the shit on you only make it sound cool by saying ring. Okay. Whatever. Makes sense. Get used it African population that just test rand vaccines on. Well, this is what we've always been told is that this takes place. And here it is, as far as I can tell in you make it sound great. And they have some kid who died and I guess that he had he Bola. I don't know. But this is a development that is it takes out of out of the Congo, and DRC inputs straight into a right into camp where I lived when I was a kid. Military Arledge receipt. You'll be keeping track of this. Yes, I will be on top of the label high will stay on, we'll stay on top of Bola. You bet. Learn comes Africa. Give data. Okay. The other big news that you missed out on well he didn't because it's a Hong Kong. Yeah, never pretty good update. And this is the Hong Kong up that believe this is CBS pretty good job. There were more clashes today in the streets of Hong Kong. Protesters are outraged over a proposal to send criminal suspects to mainland China for prosecution. Riot police met them with tear gas and rubber bullets. Ramian Asencio was in that crowd we have to use force said Hong Kong's police chief, and they did. They shot tear gas and pepper spray. Swung batons and fired rubber bullets. Protesters push back with water bottles protected by umbrellas and masks. Everyone was a target, including us. Already the smoke in the tear gas is making its way here, feeling it inside your nose into your is getting closer and closer helping hands came from vs protesters. Okay, thank you. But it's a small kind of sting when your future's at stake. That's no hope but risky to continue to fight case to cast Beijing government, and our city and feel. The hope to stop lawmakers from passing a controversial extradition. Build the fear. If anyone here could be extradited to mainland China, human rights lawyer Jason says that could include a foreigners if I'm an American and I did something bad here. I could potentially be extradited to China. You don't even have to anything bad. What is to stop China from making up evidence all y'all? How long Hong Coke's chief executive carry Lomb, who's appointed by Beijing said, she hasn't sold out Hong Kong. But in a separate speech condemned the protesters as rioters. That doesn't nation means protesters may be subject to very long prison. Terms if arrested, but that's a risk many are willing to take, especially as we get closer to the bill's passage chief executive carry law says she hopes to do that by next week. Yeah. This is this is interesting. Well, it flies in the face of the two systems. One country bull crap has the deal. That was made the deal was hands off. Yeah. And so, this, of course, all goes back to facture screwed everybody by giving the Hong Kong back to China for no apparent reason. And 'cause they're still be a British colony. Otherwise it 'cause it was it was a least rely for some ridiculous number Chinese think long long-term, so that wasn't a big deal to them. But and then the Chinese made a big stink about. Well, don't worry about it because I was in Hong Kong just before the ninety seven turnover and everybody. There was paranoid. And they've got people come up to the friends of mine say, you had to all we hear as people speaking, Mandarin. And because it was the, the big because everyone speaks Cantonese in Hong Kong. They're here too many people. All of these peoples there. They're moving in and they're gonna Ryan prisoners. And of course that was the same period where all the ex patriots move to Canada. Most of them because you could buy Canadian citizenship for two hundred fifty thousand dollars and many of the great chefs of Hong Kong move to Canada, which created, especially in Vancouver, Vancouver, and covert, a great subculture of Chinese restaurants. It was weird ended Chinese assuaged bull crap, which apparently bulk up in this woman, this lamb woman, who's, who's the governor of, of the of Hong Kong appointed by Beijing is a creep. Well, it word about the social scoring that would apparently be used to. You know, to entrap people and, and had them extradited. Tina was talking with some people at the gym. I think she's at a new gym now because we moved and she was talking about her her. Nutty husband, the conspiracy tinfoil hat wear, and dude. About an it, how the conversation went to black mirror, and the social score that one of the first episodes, which I think was one of the best ones that second season. I know what the hell they're doing. But one of the guys there is in China quite regularly even had the social score app. He said. The kids hate it. They found all these ways to hack around it. They show you like you do this do this. And then your score you score changes. They're, they're completely circumventing the, the whole system, which is encouraging to hear. Well, it's discouraging for me to hear that you have to do that. Because those, those bypasses are always thwarted eventually. Yeah. To a degree. I'd like to hear from some of our producers in China about the circa, mention what do you do? I mean, what exactly do you is it the way you hold your phone different or turn something on or off or? Apps that could be data here and there that word shouldn't be going on. I don't know. Yes. Good for you to do that. But at the same time. Boy. The public at large China can only put up with so much they do. They have had revolutions that it could happen. Again, I have just to article two two items I wanted to Scott, quickly one congratulations. Yes, you have a clip lasting as a clip, because I'd be great less clip two stories. No clip. First of all. I remember my prediction football. Soccer is going to be big in the states as long as it's women. I love the pounding the USA team gave to Thailand thirteen two nil at the World Cup that there's your your boring scores. John, you always hate these boring. One, one one nil. Nil nil scores thirteen nil and then they were gloating about it. And now they're what hates gurjin. Everyone hates you're bad. You're bad winner. That's worse than sore loser. You guys are horrible. I'm all for it. I think pounded the ties perfect. The second one is about this helicopter crash in Manhattan, and I have been able to do some work on this. So I, I'm pretty sure I know what happened, although we never know exactly into into a get the full report, first of all, I owned this exact type of aircraft before nine hundred ninety nine. This was the Augusta one oh nine e- power. This is first incredibly, it's one of the safest machines you can fly. It's a twin turbine engine. It can do single pilot. I afar. Which means you can fly in any conditions just like not at the altitude. But just like any airline aircraft on, you know, essentially, you're on instruments, you have to be certified this pilot, although he was an experienced pilot was not certified. I f are so you can't fly an instrument flying rules conditions now. I I'm not certified on helicopter for far, but I have had the training. And here's what happened. When you are flying in what we call white out conditions, which is what he was in the ceiling was seven hundred feet. But when you're even two hundred feet below that it looks very different in the air than from the ground, you probably saw the video of the helicopter flying, quote, erratically, you actually can't see where you are in those kinds of conditions when you're flying a helicopter, you're not instrument rated, and you don't know how to use the instruments, you will be upside down within thirty seconds. It's it's, it's you get vertigo and, and it's very, very dangerous situation. This guy tried to make it back. He wanted to we call Scud running to kinda skirt underneath the ceiling. And I think he got up there and immediately he got this oriented. That's what we saw on that video. And unfortunately he crashed into the building. It's that simple. And, and it's a day record. For him. And for everybody else involved, but it was a typical. Very typical case of pilot error, which is what most of these accidents are any never should've taken off. It was just a big mistake. So that's all there is to it. Everything everything else, you heard is bullcrap. Now would make sense. Yeah. All right. Well, last clip this was kind of a new thing, and it was done. It's as somebody did a deep fake on Zuckerberg. I have not seen it was that any good. Yes, it was not very long because I think it's twenty three six leg at the whole clip here. The voice is seventeen seconds is takes a lot of work to make one of these and it has Burke, sitting there looks just like soccer Berg is based on Zuckerberg, and then they have a voice, which doesn't sound quite like Zakar Burgh, but it sounds enough. It's not like kind of wallows. Walls talks elsewhere. He says, I can't even do the immigration but he does it a little bit against does it a lot of these guys do that. And as so it sounds like a very clear as Berg. And this is not even it's not that interesting that he would do if the clip, I wanna say that I believe in Jucker, did the Facebooks, we're not big news was they're not taking it off Instagram does fake, and that was because they refused to take often ANSI Pelosi. Sure, and so they say, look we we kept ours onto the way we are. And so they, they didn't take it off, and they shouldn't have taken off because it's so funny. But here is what it sounds. Like imagine this for a second, one man with total control of billions of people stolen data all their secrets their lives their futures. I owe it all to specter specter showed me that whoever controls the data controls the future. Okay. Hold on a second. That sounded nothing like Zaka Berg. That's the. The worst fake I ever heard like, no, not even. I share sound I disagree. I think is vaguely sounds like then when you have his head they're yakking away. Well, that's the difference. Yes. But when you just hear it. No, I thought it didn't sound like him at all. But I thought it sounded vaguely like him. But that that was it. That was the bit. It was very funny, leaving it up. It's going to just encourage more people to do these things, which is probably, not the good idea and is probably the I would personally, if I was Facebook, I'd take down to Pelosi one I take down this. I take them both down. Exactly why they didn't is because, you know, they this, these guys are reactive. They're all all you only conservatives bitch. Hold on. Hold on our stuff down. Why? And they stay they just doing stuff, stupidly. They should take both these things down. They stink as the problem. I have with them is not that their political one way or the other or, or just nutty is that it's encouraging more people to do this stuff, but we. Don't need it. Well, was this, the synthesized voice that did this deep fake was that, like the one they did with Joe Rogan is that the is at the same company that, that put together data? I did. I didn't dig into it all. I'm saying is just like when we listen to audio only of television show, less when you hear the bad acting I have not seen this deep fake video. I was not seeing Burg's face only what was burned into my head from seeing him on television. Not did not sound like him, just your beer. It's safe thing. You're right. When we do the video clips of, you know, some TV show, and then we just use the audio of the acting it's terrible, and you just start noticing it, and that's probably you, you I had the disadvantage of seeing the thing, and with his face. And so I'm looking to hear him more than you are Ryan. I did. I hear a little bit of him in there. Little bit, even though it's fake. But yeah, you're right. I'm not going to deny that. That. And it's not I never said it was great sport is. No. 'cause I've read about this. I've not seen it or heard. And I'm just like a really this, what everyone's all jacked about it's no good. No. I would have his around. So I. For you, and it's only seventeen seconds long. Well, everybody, we're going to well, we're, we've gone long speaking of long. So we're going to shut it down for now but will return on Sunday. Father's day. Remember your dad at divorce dot org slash Unai support the value for value model, I'll be coming to you from a castle in Northern Ireland. And we'll have more EU reports possibly. Yes, I was going to be cold heating and that castle. I hope so. Stay tuned. No agenda, stream dot com for another episode of Nick, the rat. And thanks to Jesse. Koi nelson. Sir seat sitter and able Kirby for the end of show mixes coming to you from the capital of Gitmo nation east London in the UK and the morning everybody. 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