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The Corona Virus- Critical Choices in a Critical Time

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast

1:32:27 hr | 1 year ago

The Corona Virus- Critical Choices in a Critical Time

"You know and you know. There's I think people are being pretty responsible about this. They're talking about like well. Hey we obviously can't take group rides up to the launch and we've got. We've got a social distance. We've got just hiking fly we. We can't go deep. We have to land at our cars. Obviously we can't hitchhike all those things are true but let me just ask you. Should we fly? No one should do anything right now. Anything that could potentially get them hurt number one because they don't I mean let's be. Let's just look at it from a selfish perspective. You don't WanNa be in a hospital right now. Number one hospitals are germs zones. You don't want to get this thing you don't want to potentially then need to go to the hospital because you have covered. Nineteen and hospitals are prepared to take care of you. So that's just on your own personal selfish level you also we absolutely if we care if you have a heart you cannot put healthcare workers any more strain on the healthcare system. Either everybody welcome to this very special. I guess you could call this. A public service announcement. An emergency public service announcement of the cloud base mayhem. I wanted to reach out to two very dear people to meet if the WHO are very much on the front lines of cove in nineteen to find out what their reality is and so we could put this out to you. This is not just pertinent. Of course two pilots. This is pertinent to everybody. Of course we're all being bombarded with tons and tons a news on some. I'm sure there's lots of misconception. Somewhere as these folks about that but I also have been seeing some really great stuff online in forums and chat rooms and stuff From pilots all over the world. You know should we be flying? I think this is really important question right now. They've shut down flying in a bunch of countries in Europe Belgium France Italy And I saw great post yesterday by Kriegel that they haven't shut down flying in Switzerland but he feels is really important not to fly in the best pilot in the world isn't flying. I thought wow we really need to be paying attention to this. 'cause I've also heard a lot of casualness like what you know where we expected to do. Just not fly and so I wanted to talk to people on the front lines to get their expert opinion and the two people I talk the talk with the first is my sister. Who's a health and science reporter for NPR for the DD station out in San Francisco? She has been following this story literally from when the first plane came here they think from Lan. Of course there were other people that hadn't been tested their people before that but This is back in early January so when this thing was a blip on most people's radar she has been following this story. She's now of course in lockdown doing all reporting from her house she has been for over a week there in San Francisco but I sat down with her to just ask all the questions that were trying to find out you know what is the death rate. Who who's being more affected and what's happened in the hospitals How worried we need to be about our health care workers and our health care system and talk about stats. Are we basically? They think we're eleven to fourteen days behind what we've seen happen in Italy and now is very rapidly happening in span and Spain and France so Some scary stuff but also some silver lining stuff and then. I spoke to my very good friend and ski. Touring partner can avalanche safety expert but also one of the four. Er Docs we have here in my little town in Ketchum. And if you haven't heard Ketchum Idaho is a real hot spot. It's on right up there with New York and San Francisco and Los Angeles. Obviously not those kind of numbers but per capita to one of these they're calling a black county so it's being impacted the worst because it's a ski town bury a vacation town when things started getting crazy in places like Seattle and San Francisco and La. A lot of those second home owners flew back home to get away from it and then of course it spread like crazy thinking far here. They're saying now in this little community there's been one hundred percent exposure one of those. Er doctors is down with Kobe. So I wanted to talk Terry about that but I also we're hearing a lot about you. Know a shortage of BEDS SHORTAGE OF VENTILATORS. And how are hospitals? Here very soon are going to be dealing with a real crisis. And so I wanted to talk to him to find out what he's dealing with even in a small town like this but also of course he's very much in contact with that with his world of medicine all over the country so I wanted to find out what he's seeing there I know he's been incredibly smashed. Hasn't been able to do anything but work work work. And that's one of the problems. These are healthcare workers get a lot more exposure and they get exhausted and that makes a covert much more serious for them so again. This is kind of a public service announcement. I think we as pilots really need to be thinking about our healthcare workers right now we are assessing our own flying. We need to think about. I've heard a lot of things like why it's only got two point. Eight percent kill rate in our population while Yep but our population can give it to other populations and so we need to be thinking about how we behave right now. Big Time and I really liked the Kriegel put out yesterday that he wasn't flying. This is a personal decision for everybody but I think this is an important one. This certainly isn't just for pilots. Though I learned a ton and I've been following this thing like crazy as I'm sure all of you have but Please please share this. And this is some great incredible information here and everybody needs to hear it so felt further. Do here are my sister in law clerk and then followed immediately after that by my good friend. Terry O'Connor Leslie. Welcome to the cloud. Base Ma'am I never thought I'd be interviewing my sister For a flying show. But I think given what you've been doing in what you're reporting on it's going to be really good to spread good information information when I came back from California last week I was surprised. Come back to Idaho which you know as little red and a lot of people aren't taking it very seriously. Our town is now on lockdown. As well as you guys have been for over week out there in San Francisco. But let's just start off explained to the audience. You know who you are what your history is in what you're currently doing on sitting in my bedroom on unlocked down reporting most of the time. I'M A reporter for K. Q. E. D. Which is the NPR affiliate in San Francisco? I sit on the health and science desk so generally I cover medicine and health stories and so about a M- actually about two and a half months ago I came into the office and was told to race down to San Francisco International Airport Sfo because there was a virus in China and the and people were getting off a flight from Wuhan China. Which I'd never heard of say when I got to the airport But I was supposed to find this flight. Meet these people and get a sense of what it was like in China on the ground because this virus was spreading which. I'd never heard of what we now know is Cova nineteen so since about late January. I've been the primary reporter in San Francisco in our station covering probably the biggest story of our time. And I have to say Kiddo. I've been really proud because I've been listening to a lot of your stories. You've been on the radio at ton. You're you're often on the radio but you've really been on it lately. I know you're working your ass off so great reporting Scary reporting won't take us through the arc from when you first went down and saw that flight to where we sit now it so it I honestly Kinda gives me chills because when I got there you know people are getting off the flight and you know maybe a quarter of the people are wearing masks. That was my only way of really knowing that this was the flight from Wuhan. Ah there is just showing up at the airport going Excuse me can I get you to tell me what it's like in China and as you can imagine people from Wuhan don't speak a lot of English so this is a very interesting story to try to cover But anyway I got a handful of people to to tell me what it was like and most of them were thrilled. They're coming to the US most most of them for Lunar New Year. This big huge international Celebration San Francisco's a big hub to take in Lunar New Year. So they're here. They're having a good time. They're telling me like you know it's not that big a deal. People just got worried a few days ago. We're here to have a good time. There was definitely a tenor. I have amazing tape of people saying we think this is going to pass really quickly. You know no big deal. At the time I remember. Six people had died from the corona virus. By that time. I think there was something like three hundred people who had been positively diagnosed at the stance at this point the very next day. They ended all flights that was the very last flight that came into San Francisco from Wuhan uses. It happened that fast. Exactly I mean at that point. There was probably a lot more cases on the ground than they knew and the average person probably similar to last week even two weeks ago in San Francisco. The average person on the street probably wasn't that worried about the virus and now sitting inside our houses so it happens so quickly I think is what I'm just still floored by just looked at the number before the the numbers before this interview and I went. Wow like hundreds of thousands of people have this virus now. I remember when there was. You know a couple hundred and so it's I think by the day watching it into January February and the now has been this. I don't even know. I mean basically feeling the curve basically if you've watched anyone seeing that curve of how cases takeoff every Sydney say anywhere between four and eight days the number of cases doubles so if you average out about every six days the number of cases doubles around the world and that is a crazy thing to feel and report on a very like things that I would never have imagined last week that we would be on lockdown to be on lockdown. Right now. It's hard to imagine so when I try to think about what it's going to be like next week or two weeks from now I'm just like I. I can't even wrap my head around it because they say that San Francisco is probably the. Us is about eleven days behind Italy and if people have been watching the news or paying attention to what they're experiencing in Italy on the front lines you know you hear. Doctors call it a cataclysmic war in hospitals. They have coming at a friend yesterday that I did another podcast with Honda yesterday and he. He's out in Davis California and I think we should calm. Shouldn't we compare it to wartime? I mean isn't aren't we kind of in a war? I think absolutely in the biggest public health crisis war that probably any of us will live in will live through. You know I remember early on a New York Times reporter. Who has been doing this for a lot longer than I have and been has covered many more epidemics than I have. He compared it very early on into the nineteen eighteen Spanish flu which killed somewhere between twenty and one hundred million people. Five percent of the population died. And I remember parroting that on the next few mornings that I was on on forum. Which is our daily talkshow saying you know. Some people are calling this. The next Spanish flu some really smart people are calling that. That's what this is. And and economists and other reporters like laughing at me and now here we are and hopefully. We won't see those kinds of deaths but there are some strange and very nerve wracking statistics that are similar about how this is crossing and moving through the world that happened. You know almost a century ago so a week ago and the a week goes like different epoch to me I mean this is. It's changing so fast like you said I mean T- yesterday Italy had its biggest numbers yet. Seven hundred and eighty nine or something. I think I read their now. Worse than China The article in The Times about Italy was pretty scary because the the countries who have who are lot tighter Austria Singapore Taiwan South Korea testing has been ubiquitous. And they literally the lockdowns. They're serious and they. They took it very seriously. Pretty quickly In so we've got this petri dish. We've got this live. We get to see what happens if we don't behave like that. Italy's is really terrifying. And and what what is happening there. Let me ask the question. Are we doing enough no way not not even? I mean I heard this morning. He no the There was a bunch of spring breakers in Florida on the beaches and partying having a good time. And you know it's really hard I. It's really hard to wrap your head around a silent threat. Even as I was covering this I haven't felt it until this last week when I really started to talk to doctors and nurses on the front lines. Who are who are really really nervous. I had to hear it in their voices to really grasp what we're about to face and I've been covering this for six and a half weeks reading as much as I can about this thing but it's Kinda like covering a fire before the flames are coming over the hill. It's like you know it's out in the distance. You can't smell anything you can't smell the smoke but you know it's coming and a sort of like but nothing's happening nothing's changed in your life and until now until we're actually sitting inside. I'm starting to feel it like I said. I'm starting to talk to people who are feeling on the front lines but we are so dramatically in drastically behind where we need to be because of this giant mess up by our by our government in terms of flopping testing. We have no idea how many cases are out there on top of that. A lot of cases are symptomatic. So you have a lot of people who are transmitting this virus which is incredibly transmissible without knowing that they have the virus and if I wanted to get a test right now I couldn't get one because we don't have enough so we don't even know who has it so it is also you also don't meet the criteria getting testing so we have you know we were in hot zone here and catch him. No we've got the most cases in Idaho. They put us on markdown yesterday or last last night we have more confirmed cases than they do in Boise but this is the thing with the data. We'RE NOT TESTING ANYBODY. And if you don't have if you don't have a fever if you don't have the criteria you can't even go get tested so matty and I have been sick. Fallon has been sick You know we were sick. We're out in California It do we have do not have it. Who knows right? I mean a lot of people like you said as a symptomatic and so when we look at the numbers we just went I think well over three hundred thousand confirmed cases in the world. What is what's the real numbers. I've heard all kinds of different numbers and we just unless you're South Korea unless you're Taiwan Singapore. We don't really know. Do we know we have no idea? And what's so sad is. This didn't need to happen. This was a debacle doesn't because it was so difficult to make this test or it wasn't because test doesn't exist. This is honestly because our government the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have a giant elitist ego and. They decided to make their own test in early February. The test didn't come out right okay. That's a bummer. Make a new test or use the test that the World Health Organization handed out to dozens of countries or let the private sector make their own test but fix it and fix it fast and instead a bunch of red tape and bullshit prevented the government from allowing that to happen in our weeks. You know months and unfortunately probably tens of thousands of lives behind. And that's what that's what this article was talking about. Was that this thing seems to be somewhat manageable. Now we don't know you know. In these societies open backup does it rage again is that the Spanish influenza is a come back in the fall but it seems like if you attack early and you get super aggressive. You know it sounds like you know Cuomo was pretty loose and now he's really cracking down but it sounds like you've gotta be you kind of have to be two weeks ahead of this thing and does lutely and when I read this I was like Whoa. We're in real trouble here. Absolutely were weeks behind. Our hospitals are weeks behind in terms of preparation. And when we should have been loading up and taking care of supplies and making equipment and building. Hospitals are president unfortunately was reassuring us and you know we could go down that line which. I probably shouldn't go down that line as a health reporter to comment politically but I will say that early on even in my own reporting you know we were comparing this and looking at this. You know like the flu and basically saying look. The flu is a lot bigger threat. Between fifteen and forty thousand. Americans die every year of the flu including a lot of kids this year. About one hundred and fifty kids you know that was a bigger threat in so let's focus on the bigger threat and we really didn't I was saying to. We really didn't wrap our heads around the fact that this was already here because we weren't testing for it yet. So let's the that's a good place to start then so where. What are the most common misconceptions because we're seeing snake oil? Were seeing that. I saw yesterday on Fox News. Not that I ever watched Fox News but I've just been curious because I like. How are people not taking seriously and they were saying? Oh but the numbers in Spain the numbers and Italy. These are just old people that would normally die. They'RE NOT DYING. Cova said they're just dying because they're old like stuff like that. What are the biggest misconceptions about this virus? We start there. It is primarily killing. You know older people with preexisting conditions but I thought the New York Times did an amazing piece which really hit home for me which was about a nurse. These two nurses were both twenty nine. They both had children. They're both fighting cove in nineteen one died. One did not. Does it twenty nine year old? Healthly nine yes. It's an amazing piece. I highly recommend everyone read it because it really home. This virus can kill anyone we can look at those numbers just like the flu can kill anyone you know if it gets in their deep enough what we don't understand very well about covert nineteen when I say deep enough I mean deep enough in the lungs what we don't understand is occasionally and especially this happens with people with preexisting conditions it gets in there and then there is a rapid turn and we don't understand exactly why the people turn for an a bad direction and have deep respiratory issues and and their whole body starts to shut down in a really quick way that we don't quite understand and we don't understand exactly why happens in certain people other than that primarily. It's happened in an older people if we look at the mortality rates. So this can hit anyone you know I. I don't think everyone understands that. I thought amazing headline I think it was Newsweek. That said you know something along the lines of good for you that you're healthy. Stop killing the rest of us which you know which is true but but even those of us that are young can die. I think one of the other. Big Misconceptions is that there's some sort of treatment. I think that's the biggest thing that you see out there. There is no treatment. It's not like if you rush to the hospital. You're going to get some magic cure. It's not that if you do some prescribed remedies that that you're going to get better. Unfortunately there is nothing that doctors can do except for what they would do. If you're an emergency situation a hospital which is try to keep your lungs alive if you're in that dire straits so don't go to the hospital right now if you're sick stay home. And I I've heard you know experts with John Hopkins and You KNOW INFECTIOUS DISEASE EXPERTS. That covered mad cow. S. One on you know you name it. Avian Flu H One. N One sorry You know and they they are all talking about you know the reason. We don't have a cure for the flu or the cold is vaccines are tough. And you know we keep saying we'll we'll we'll probably have it twelve months most of the people that I'm hearing like if we get nicotine it's going to be a miracle. I think I think that a misconception. I think that's absolutely true. Earliest will see is a year. You know they are moving surprisingly fast on US much faster than we've seen in any other epidemic. You know the map the genome of this really quickly which is incredibly helpful for getting testing rolled out. They are starting their first trial. You know the vaccines vaccine. Trial is happening in Seattle. Now it takes a long time for a vaccine to roll out because you have to test a lot of people if you start sending out a vaccine and it has any sort of side effects that we haven't tested the you're going to do more damage than than you want to. So we need to take our time and the earliest. I think we could see that is is a year to to to eighteen months so we might see a little like you were saying earlier we might see a a kind of big won't like skyrocketing number of cases this spring of gets pretty scary and then the virus could get kind of go dormant over the summer because viruses don't thrive in warm weather. They tend to do better and cold dry weather so we might see a drop over the summer and we could see another burst in the fall. that still going to be too soon for for the vaccine to be ready. Unfortunately so this could be this. This hot. The humid hot thing has been really confusing for me. Leslie I you know. It's our boat was just out in the Maldives. They completely locked down. The country. Put Five islands and Quarantine. I mean to people went there from Italy and it went crazy. That's right on the equator. It's humid it's hot as hell. I guess humidity's bad right. It's it's you you don't get cold as bad in humidity's bad but you know isn't going to transfer to South America and Australia and New Zealand and you know this thing's all over the world. Is that really going at me? 'cause they talked about that with the Spanish Influenza Smash Influenza was pretty bad. It came out about the same time as cove nineteen is pretty bad that winner then got okay and then it came back with a vengeance in the fall. That's a long time ago. A hundred years ago we didn't have planes travel all over the world and ships and boats. And you know it just seems to me like is that is that kind of a red herring. I mean what what you point out really well in your question is that we don't know and I mean I've reported several different articles where I'm changing the statistics. You know three or four days later. I've reported probably six different mortality rates. Because we don't actually know in the mortality rate we don't know because we don't know how many cases are out there the denominator of the mortality rate. Like you don't know how many cases are out there. In terms of how many people have died out of? How many people have it? We don't know how many people have it right now. So that's Amore Taliban rate changes and that's why we don't know we don't know if this thing's going to go dormant over the summer and act like other corona viruses. It could do really well in hot weather. We don't know so leslie you know this was again go that I heard this. And things are changing so rapidly but this gentleman that was with John Hopkins and they're doing a really good job attracting the actual numbers and of course. We're not doing enough testing so we don't know the actual numbers but it the low end. He was saying that you know if it's got a point. Six mortality rate which is the lowest and they think and only thirty percent get infected. Which sounds pretty optimistic. Right now. Germany's saints. Going to be sixty to seventy there but at the low end I've heard that you know when you count that. I think when people hear that they think oh it's only point six percent that's no big deal but when he added up that's three times the that were the the number that was killed in World War. Two Yeah I mean so the flu. Every year kills point one percent of people for some context that kills hundreds of thousands of people every year around the world usually kills between fifteen to forty thousand Americans every year. That's point one percent so you're talking six times more and that's the lowest I've ever heard I've the lowest I've heard is point seven percent. It could be as high as as three percents. That's very high. We don't actually think that high but if you use the you know the current number of confirmed cases by the number of people who have died as it's quite a bit higher. It's about three percents. That is you know Multiple Times. You don't even want to do the numbers that could look like but the but the mortality rate of this with scary about this virus really scary is the combination that the fact that it's quite transparent quite transmissible and pretty deadly so there's viruses that are more deadly like Ebola. There's viruses that are more transmissible like measles this a scary sweet spot that was very similar to what people have compared it to the nineteen eighteen. Spanish flu and so. That's why that comparison is made is that it's a lot of people get this and a and a number of people die from this and that's what's what's scary. What's Okay we've got? If we get a vaccine great but how do you see this panning out? I think the hospitals are going to be completely overrun. Young people you know. Healthcare workers are the most vulnerable to this beyond older people. Because the amount of exposure that you get to a virus does impact. How sick you get so if you're around a lot more sick people you're going to get a lot sicker so. Healthcare workers are incredibly vulnerable to this. We already don't have enough personal protective equipment masks gowns etcetera gloves to protect these people were already seeing a run on things and has he been got bad here yet in terms of what they're seeing at hospitals and we're already running out of the supplies. I don't even want to put a sense of of how many people are going to die from this but I think we will have never experienced anything like this any of us in our in our lives. Yeah I I don't even know I mean that's the really bad part of this right. We can really focus on that and that is going to be is scary terrifying. And what's scary as this is gonNA happen the next two weeks that I'm going to start feeling and San Francisco. You might start feeling it in Sun Valley because we've probably flew some San Franciscans and some Seattle folks to you and now you have the. That's that's actually what they think. It's all the people that were in Seattle and San Francisco. That came back to their second home. Exactly Yeah and this is why people in a lot of vacation places around the country are probably GonNa get outbreaks because you know Americans are not used to following these kinds of draconian measures not that. It's even draconian at this point right. We're just being told to stay home. Were not getting ticketed like they are in France. But that's probably coming. We're probably two weeks behind those kinds of measures. You have to think that it is incredibly scary. What if politicians are willing to basically shut down? The economy main are shutting down the economy right now in California and in Seattle and in New York. If they're willing to do that you have to know that they're terrified and that's what's really that's what's really scary so I just did the calculator on that. So at the low end That's one point two million people. So that's twice the number of cancer in this country Yeah pretty nerve racking for sure I think I would love. We can focus on one thing. This weekend has just been a turning point for me. Which is that. There is an amazing silver lining. That will come from this. And it's hard to focus on that when we were talking about those kinds of lives lost but for example and just a a researcher that I heard this morning on freakonomics says so three thousand more than three thousand people have died and China from covert nineteen fifty thousand people according to his calculations are probably saved by the fact that there's less air pollution over the last two and a half months in China because factories are shut down. Wuhan is seeing a blue sky for the first time. In decades people are hearing the birds chirp people are waving across apartment. Buildings people are slowing down so not to diminish the people who will die in the blood and tears and sweat and anguish anguish and grief that we are all about to go through but this will hopefully change us in ways that we can't imagine either and potentially hopefully make a slow down and look at aspects of our lives at that are fast paced. Life didn't allow us to do. Yeah I so glad you brought that up. I I know that there's going to be enormous tragedy and I before I say anything I just WanNa say that those of you who are being affected by this negativity of course my heart goes out to you mean one of my best friends is an er doctor town. And I know he's just getting thrashed and I worry so much about him but the silver linings here are unbelievable. I mean it just feels to me like I mean if we go right back to the source of the virus. We should be treat animals like that. We've got a shutdown wet markets. We've gotTA make changes with. That's not how I mean. It just seems to me like the Earth is breathing a sigh a temporary sigh of relief. You know we've we don't have planes. We don't have ships We've got clear skies. We've got trails so we're on lockdown here but were allowed to walk in our trails. Were packed today. Everybody's outside Everybody's walking their dogs. Everybody is reading books. Everybody uncooking like crazy. I've never cooked so much in my life. It's it's fantastic. I went for a bike ride today and I literally could hear the difference of the Birds. Chirping like literally in a city to hear the birds chirping and tiddly. No I live in a condo complex. Where we all can go stand out in our yard and be six feet apart and the conversations that we're having and the amount of social interaction that we're having even though we're supposed to be on lockdown because we can stand far apart outside is is life changing because we're not. It's amazing if you heard about the dolphins and learn and the dolphins in in Venice. There's all fins. That's the mad mad less your health and sciences. But I'm the next twenty Anna and I know I know I know it's I mean. I really think that it's in a sense. It's a little bit of Human Karma and you know I also I think the other silver lining is I think this is a dress rehearsal Rehearsal for the real shit. That's coming you know when you listen to the experts. It's like this was totally inevitable. It's not if it and if we get something that is transmissible as a covert nineteen but is as deadly as a Bulla but is learned how to adapt live in US longer. You know you could have something that makes the Spanish influenza and and I'm not again I'm not being scaremongers. Just what the professional say. It's what it's what the science says. Is You know we've got way more people to travel around the world way way easier and there's a lot of unhealthy things that we're doing to the forest to animals to Ourselves and you know our immune systems aren't as good. You know you you just you can take off a lot of things here and you know you might have virus. That comes out in a few years. That's way more deadly but I think it's good. We're going through this so we can learn from the mistakes that were making absolutely think that we're going to get a moment to witness how the planet can I mean. I mean this is just two weeks and we're seeing dolphins in the MED right like we are. We are seeing the planet. Come back that quickly that resilient and we're seeing how fragile we are and that our capitalism and that are commerce is actually quite fragile and that we are not an invincible we are. We're not invincible. We are not in control and I think this moment is is really going to be an opportunity to learn that whether or not we learned that You know is yet to be determined. And I think we can't have this conversation and not look at you and I are in a very privileged position as we discussed this and I don't know if it's true. I've heard this on the street. I haven't reported a statistic but I said early on many times. You know that if you can start talking to your boss about commuting working from home and cut it up will apparently twenty percent of Americans can work from home. Eighty percent can't so the economic impacts and who's going to get hit hardest by this is the same people that always get hit hard. This you know the people who don't have means anyways the people who are homeless people who are on the margin who are making a paycheck to paycheck so this is going to have a massive impact on the people who you know. Our society doesn't take care of and this is. This is what to me is really scary. All the countries that we've mentioned that are tackling this including Italy have free and universal healthcare. When you start putting that forty percent of our when you start looking at forty percent of our country doesn't have four dollars in emergency funds. They're not gonNA WANNA go. Tested me now testing free. It wasn't in the beginning. But they're not gonNA WANNA go go the doctor anyway especially now as they're losing their jobs and so this to me. I think is the next. This is the next pitfall that we're going to see that actually makes me more scared Then the disease itself. I mean I- we're dealing with IT personnel in our own household in that we have a nanny working for us who makes it paycheck to paycheck. And she is older and she lives in San Francisco. We live in Oakland. Which about a half an hour away and do we take away her only income and protect ourselves and our little community potentially protect her good for her to be traveling or do we make sure she can keep paying rent and and put her in potentially risky situation. You know and she doesn't have healthcare and she doesn't have extra money and it's a really tricky decision under terms of like on a personal level what to do and you know. I'm just one person. Imagine that number of stories that ripple out from this company you know the the the interesting thing about this compared to past you know massive Retractions in the economy like in two thousand eight and nine hundred eighty. Seven is that this is going. This is hitting the service sector way way way harder and the service sector tend to be the people that don't have a lot bank and it's GonNa be it's GonNa be Ma'am Okay final question There is a really interesting discussion. Going on and you know is a paragliding and hang gliding and free flight podcast so. I want to end on on a question about flying what you think about doctors and hospitals. There's there's has been shut down in Italy France Belgium number of other countries in Europe A lot of them in Switzerland sounds like they're getting pretty close but it's still open but a lot of the Swiss pilots have just decided. This isn't something we can do now. They're shutting it down because flying is dangerous and they don't WanNa add They don't want to add any more load to an already over Already broken system and hospitals that are very tax system and so I read the other day that the United States has two point. Seven hospital beds per thousand people. It does seem like that's where we're going to be very soon You know and I. I think people are being pretty responsible about this. They're talking about like well. Hey we obviously can't take group rides up to the launch and we've got A. We've got a social distance. We've gotta just hike and fly. We can't go deep. We have to land at our cars. Obviously we can't hitchhike. You know all those things are true but let me just ask you and should we fly. No should do anything right now anything that could potentially get them hurt number one because they don't I mean let's just be. Let's just look at it from a selfish perspective. You don't want to be a hospital right now. Number one hospitals are germs zones. You don't want to get this thing you don't want to potentially then need to go to the hospital because you have covered. Nineteen and hospitals are prepared to take care of you. So that's just on your own personal selfish level you also we absolutely if we care if you have a heart you cannot put healthcare workers any more strain on healthcare system. We don't WANNA get colds. Let alone break a leg. Let alone break your back. Let alone get paralyzed right now. The hot the healthcare system does not have enough people to treat this virus right now. It is selfish to go flying right now. I'm sorry to all your pilots but this is a moment to to. This is such a moment like one thing I love about covering any kind of you know breaking news. Emergency Natural Disaster kind of story is that we are ripped bear to our Ross humanity and people show up and it's it always happens in a fire in a hurricane and you know I've covered a lot of this stuff in people show up like we. Are we find our hearts and the sooner we do that in this country the more lives will save awesome? Was the answer. I'm glad I went flying today. But you straightened out appreciate it thank you thank you know. I I you know. That's why I want to have Terry on the show tomorrow. I just know that those guys just slammed I got an it's just ritz a brutal time and I'm so scared for his story. What happened at your hospital? I mean he talked to me a week before that happened and he said you know. I'm glad I'm glad I'm not dealing with you. Guys what you guys are dealing with light. Who Glad I'm in Sun Valley? You know in a week later. You're listening. Listeners. Will hear what went down and why. You guys are in lockdown now. So this thing can change quickly. Yeah and that's you know that's pretty interesting. We don't know none of us know what happens. You know what happened? But they're you know they're not allowed to talk. They're not allowed to talk about US interesting. Let's just you know you have fewer healthcare workers on the frontlines so people do not want to get hurt and Sun Valley right now. I don't mean people died but I just there's Yeah No. I had heard that that people really sick Leslie thank you I really appreciate it and I appreciate your time and all the energy put into this amazing unprecedented craziness. It's IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. What's going on and Keep fighting hard. I think what you're doing is really important Yeah I know that journalists Especially in our country have suffered under under this under this administration but You know you're fighting the good fight appreciate it. I'm sorry it took us a a cataclysmic virus to finally talk my brother who has a. Podcast is Diana's sister is a radio reporter but here we are finally finally talking so yeah thanks for having go tarry Bassem. Have you on the show man? I had a terrific conversation last night with my sister who I understand. You've been talking to a lot lately but let's just start off for. Everybody does know you. What do you do? What are you doing right now doing Kevin but right now? I'm drinking lots of my whiskey so only yes. Oh yeah a lot of jobs. I I am a emergency physician here locally where we live in Ketchum Idaho but I also have a couple of our jobs in the big one is being a emergency medical services medical director for the county and some of the other neighboring county so basically what that means is I help. Coordinate the response of ambulances and fire and coordinate that with hospital response For basically your routine run in the millions calls but also dealing with natural disasters planning for big events and and obviously dealing with Chronic virus pandemic and when when did for pardon the language Belinda. Schick it real for you guys Just over a week ago really So kind of Friday the thirteenth really Friday thirteenth into Saturday the fourteenth. I've got the dates right. The whole last week spend a bit of a blur but I think we've got a smart group here. There's a lot of really well trained doctors and nurses that are here. It's it's obviously. It's a very pleasant place to live so it attracts some good candidates for for work cure and I think we all saw the writing on the wall that it might show up your any day But the scale. And speed in which it escalated. I think it surpassed much of our expectations. I mean that seems to be happening around the world If they don't lock this thing down and act soon enough and radically enough to take me through. What is the hospital? Look like right now. What what would someone be walking if someone broken ankle on came in to see you guys? What are they gonNA see? Yeah well you know the first thing you you probably see when you come to the hospital is that most of the entrances are coordoned-off Enclosed so that we route all traffic through a single entry So that we lend it people coming in potentially not being screened for for having the disease and spreading amongst hospital so if you're You know there's two ways to get in basically it's through the ambulance bay doors if you come in through an ambulance or Through the front entrance when you come in there you're greeted by someone. New is in a mask and ask you pretty much straight out. If you haven't noticed Signage on the way in whether you have any symptoms that might be consistent with the corona virus for which right now rescreening for cough and fever and shortness of breath. The answer yes to any of those. Or if you say you're coming because you're worried about having corona virus or covert nineteen year immediately. Have a mask put on you. And you're a quarantined off into this other corner of the main four year. They're in the hospital. And we have special protocols to kind of bring you back and intimate your minimize your exposure to other patients that are in the Er but you'll also likely be directed to either a drive through testing site which is pretty obvious to see because it is a long line of cars there every day now Had A hundred and fifty vehicles come through today. for drive-thru nasal swab testing. So it's fairly clear When you pull up to the hospital that something's going on over there by the outpatient physicians clinic and then there's also direction to going to direct you to a a new kind of fully serviced. Urgent Care Clinic. We're we're also trying to divert some traffic from the just so we don't get Congested does he listening. It'd probably behooves us to talk a little bit about this community. You know. Catch him a town of thirty five hundred. People were in central Idaho. One of the least dense populist places on the planet and we're also now. I think they're calling us a black county so per capita were right up there with New York and La and San Francisco. Is that correct? Yes so would you referring to Black County? Essentially they're they're independent statistician. Who essentially put together a graphic which the colors of the counties in the US on his graphic Were shades of Basically cases per per capita in that county so does not a very popular states. We don't have a lot of people but currently right now in Blaine County. Where relived Gavin? We have one of the highest rates per capita Of any other place in the nation and so we have a high penetration of disease despite are kind of low density population here which I guess you could take a one to two ways in that one. It's not that many cases relative to obviously boroughs in New York But you can take it another way in that. Despite the US being a small mountain town with low population density We got a Lotta Lotta penetrates. In a lot of a lot of prevalence of this disease here and a really short period of time and you know one of the big news stories that you're hearing a lot right now terry here and across the world is of course the comparisons to Italy. How fast they were overrun and the comparison with our health system. You know heard the the other day two point eight hospital beds per thousand people in the US. How do you see this art going How are hospitals going to be able to manage the coming crisis? Well the crisis is already here but the crisis is here. Yeah well at some point. We won't be able to manage it. Which is the reality based on projections and and probably the the latest projection which has been getting most of the press. Lately has been When I was just reading it from today just make sure a reference it correctly But it was done by period college at in the UK and it was a specific projection based on kind of hospital capacity and projection of growth the disease specifically for the UK and the United States. it's kind of a collaborating centre for the World Health Organization In pretty grave prognosis. Really I mean obviously our estimates will get better as time goes on but were we're looking somewhere end of April Into early May when we will effectively of totally saturated every hospital bed available in the United States With the impact of this disease which is a pretty sobering thing to think about. And what about equipment you know? What about protective equipment for you guys for the people on the front lines but also ventilators? It sounds like we're way short on ventilators and respiratory disease. Yeah ventilators certainly were. Were looking like we're going to be short on on those as well. Icu beds will be short on as well. The personal or the P. P. ear personal protective equipment. Helen's tough to Burr jacked because You know it's hard to know how much you're going to need even for each one individual patient in were required currently to change in and out of this protective equipment. Which is you know mask face. Shield Gal on and gloves. Each time you go in and out of her room of a person under investigation for the disease so There's something unexpected comes up. If your patient get sicker you might have to go in and out of that room multiple times so I might be efficient enough to be able to get through one patient. Visit with just one set p. Sometimes I might have to go through four for just one patient and that that might not even be patient needs to be hospitalized at all If a patient is asks to speak to the doctor one more time and has another question and go in and do a face to face to answer that question. That's another set of. Pp right there so it's really hard to project how long or how much supply we're going to have when you have a lot of variable consumption of of That personal protective equipment. The ventilators You know it's it. That's another tough one right now. We're kind of building projections of what of what other countries have have seen as far as their ICU. Needs and number of patients that have required Intimations but it seems like it's been a little bit of more severity so far in the diagnosis and the disease here. But again remember. That's a little bit of a bias. Because we're just rolling out the testing right. Now and we have limited supply of testing. So it's being conserved essentially for the sickest of the sick and So you're you're biasing your your current positive hit rate of the disease with those who are likely requiring opposition are needed to be an ICU. So it's looking like most people need to be hospitalized. Most people need innovation and the initial fatality rates. That will come out in the next. Few weeks will will probably be pretty high as well. How serious is this? And how much of what we're hearing. You know. This obviously depends on who we follow. But when I came back from California about a week ago I was incre- I was amazed by the casualness that most people were taking this. They were very casual about it. We're just now seeing you know. We went on lockdown yesterday. But still people aren't wearing gloves. They're not wearing masks. They're you know they're hanging out together. Patty see this playing out. Yeah I mean. That's that's the big challenge I think for us as healthcare providers in the frontline Gavin is. It's hard to try to make this real to people when they're not CNN in their own lives and remember this is. This is a problem. Nobody who's alive right now is ever seen before right now. Last time we got anything close to this. Destructive potential on human life was Back in one thousand nine hundred team. The great flu pandemic Then I mean we. We haven't seen a disease we've had scares SARS and murders and Bala and a number of other outbreaks that have made the news but This is a totally different beast. And this beast wants in and it's also really illusive man. It's it's it's hard to recognize so people don't know what it is when they see it and that's also really confusing so you know when the threat can look like someone having a simple cough or a runny noser sore throat. But the person doesn't look too sick. It's hard for an average person to translate that to This is a disease state. That can kill my grandma or my next door neighbor For those of us in health care We see the sickest of the sick. So it's super real and we also are dancing around every single day improvising And a lot a lot of days just Kinda just getting away with it you know without anybody getting hurt already and so it's scary to think that with the projections an exponential rise in these cases. what's going to happen to quality care and how many people are going to be affected. so yeah that sense. Urgency is a really. It's a really hard thing to convey. The problem is until it gets to the point that you have a friend. Are you have a neighbor or your mom? Or your friend's dad gets affected or gets hospitalized with this disease at won't really mean anything to you. because people want to relate to it like something they've seen before this is why you see all this criticism out there about us just another bad flu right is because people want it to be familiar familiar threat but it's it's it's most certainly not and by the time it becomes a familiar threat. It's going to be way too late clearly. So you know when we see that the media is blowing this up or they boning up at all. They bone and up enough. No I don I. I don't think they're blown out of proportion too much. I think luckily I to you know the beginning of this. When the crisis the epidemic in China will for started. I was a little skeptical too but I was inappropriately just concentrating on the case fatality rate most major outbreaks when they're first starting on the first getting reported The case fatality rate will be amplified to. What the truth case fatality rate. This this is kind of comes back to this idea of a sampling bias. When you're when you're just starting to see the disease rollout and you're just starting to test diagnose it you tend not to test Until someone gets really really sick and you don't know why right so say for instance. I had a hundred people come into my hospital. Add to see him all on day and they all had grown a virus. But I'd never seen krona virus before I kind of heard about it But it wasn't very prevalent. Mike community was still a rare and foreign disease and I had maybe two tests for it to swabs that. Could maybe check out people for it. Now based on the spectrum of how the disease can look a good majority of those patients we think about eighty percent they may have what looks like a coal you know. They may just be coughing a little bit. They may have a low grade fever. This ad. Just don't feel that great dock and I'm like okay. Well you got a cold sorry pretty common then. I might add this one guy in the Er who looks like a bacterial pneumonia to me. And he's got shaking chill in his respiratory rates high and auction. Numbers aren't so great. And I do a chest x ray and it kind of looks like an ammonia I've seen before and He's pretty fat. Brawl has a high fever so I start throwing some antibiotics Adam and I start giving him some fluids on I put him on oxygen but he just keeps getting worse and worse and I don't know why so I order a few more tests. I Okay I'm not. I'm not getting. This is not adding up. Not Looking like anything I've seen before and this guy is just getting sicker and sicker in front of my eyes. Throwing every therapeutic. That's typically in my my bag of tricks to pull out and fight disease and finally I I I go to myself and I think Oh. Wow I wonder if this is that new novel viral disease. Everybody's been talking about and then I finally ordered this test and say an ideal world. That test came back within twenty four hours or six hours or four hours and all of a sudden I go. Oh Wow it is one of these guys But it turns out at that point. You know he's clearly super sick. The real reason I did that test is because he was the sickest of those hundred people in the hospital that came in that day. I couldn't figure out what it was and everything I gave him didn't make him better. So I finally order this test to see if it was this rare disease. I've never seen before. And so he's really sick guy. I'm seeing him late. In the courses disease He's the sickest of Corona virus cases that he may have a fatality rate of up to fifty percent at this time finally have one or two tests. Maybe I do. Another guy's doing better often test him. But I only have two tests in one of them's on this guy. He is a Diane. The case fatality rate right is fifty percent but if I was able to have one hundred tests and I tested every single person in a hospital that looked like a simple common cold than the case fatality rate would be one percent so you know early on we kind of know from other pandemics looking at murders and SARS and even h one n one On the initial data was coming out case. Fatality rate was was pretty high. And it's alarming but as you find in time that case fatality rate will will decrease in time. Is your roll out more testing. You know what you're looking for in the disease. You may actually be doing some sort of disease surveillance as people are crossing borders. And you're finding out that. Oh actually everybody. That gets SARS emerge twin. And when they don't they don't really die and so it doesn't look as bad as it's initially built and so knowing that based on the history of diseases that have spread in the world in the time of of my practices the position that kind of tempered. My concern initially What really alarmed me as I started to read more about the epidemic and I started to read more about these Fairly crony in an intense measures that the Chinese government was placing on the region. I didn't just dismiss it as just a cultural differences like I'm and there's there's something about this that they they can't it can't get a handle on this you know with with routine Infection Colt Could control precautions and looking into it then. It became clear to me that this disease has a high You know this are not value or essentially the probability that if you're infected what's the chance or how many other people are you likely to infect which as you've probably read is round area about two to three other people and The only way to keep from spreading that disease two to two to three other people. If you have it is to make sure you don't have it anymore right like you're over it. You're not someone who has a potential spreading the virus anymore. The problem is unlike a bola from coughing. Up Blood or Dang gear malaria hour. I'm like writhing in bed with a terrible fever. I it appears that the vast majority of people that are spreading this disease have a simple cough and feel fine and in some frightening recent data. They may not even have any symptoms yet and they're still spreading the virus. So this thing it's ability to spread to two or three other people essentially runs totally unmitigated until you just space people out. You know and This concept of taking ways people's freedoms and not allowing them to socialize and be with their family It's it's just a really foreign concept for people but it's it's the only thing we have in this fight right now and the absence of a known effective therapeutic or an immunization this is this is the thing that scares me the most the you know. South Korea Taiwan Singapore China. Where you said that they've they've put in place. These quite draconian measures that also went with testing. It sounds like testing. Is like the key. Because you test you isolate us all kinds of technology Phone tracing and APPS and that kind of thing where they ban who they been with you call those people and you get people isolated in what I had underestimated was that you really have to do that. Within a family my to my mind it was like well. I don't have to worry about with my family because obviously I can't you know Matt you know Matt he's GonNa get sick Fallon GonNa get sick but this thing sounds way worse than what I originally thought and really to get a handle on it. You have to be thinking about. How is it going to spread house? Are we going to stop it in? I don't see that happening very much. Here yeah so when you say you don't see it happening well a little bit more. The the draconian measures that you talked about. You know that you if you don't get strict and early and bold on this thing You know we've got Italy. We can look at it. We can. Okay that's what happens when you don't crackdown and I think that's that's a really good. Take home message as far as modeling. Comparables right are are we more like South Korea and China are we more like Italy With our culture and in the way our society works And what we accept as mitigation measures from you know health experts in our government in I think in China certainly what government says goes right and so when people are told they need to be in lockdown they need to be in quarantine. The traffic in and out of areas is shutdown. Think about if you had a positive corona virus test Being told that you need to leave your home and go to a quarantine camp with a bunch of other people that were tested positive for the disease pulled away from your family that clearly would not fly in the United States right and that's something as a culture and society. We just do not embrace that that sort of authoritarian measure. It's IT'S A it's a violation of our autonomy. It's a freedom of rights issue. It's a you know a rights issue For better for worse that's the culture we have but when you when you have a culture that doesn't accept those measures away. You're left to rely on winning hearts and minds and convincing people that they have to decide for themselves at this is important enough to fight for and to do the right thing for into into to to socially isolate to limit spread of this disease and people just aren't motivated by data Gavin. I mean that's it's the reality and that's how it's always played out in my practices a physician throughout my whole career. You know we we give advice and we practice based on best available evidence right we read and we call her the scientific literature we know what presenting symptoms are most likely with a particular disease state. You know which tests are going to be most accurate to help. Confirm that we know which therapeutics are most likely statistically to make you feel better but what's tough but the corona virus is. It's really hard until someone has seen it with. Their own eyes has heard it through a friend or a family member For them to believe that. It's it's real you know and I think we're seeing an art community. Now there there is concern and people have this unsatiable hunger for the news about it because they're starting to be concerned because guess what they're two degrees separated now from someone they know who has it and now all of a sudden it's like Oh my. Gosh. It's in this rural little ski town in the middle of nowhere in Idaho. Man I I need to look into what what this is all about. What can it do to me? And and what can I do to my family. Members and people are beginning to care now but in a Lotta ways it. It may be too late because it's We haven't contained it. It's probably here. And it's probably spreading in the community and all we can do our best to mitigate the spread of it further and again the only thing we can do is too to win hearts and minds of people to to keep their distance and you know not hang out. I'd love to hang out and come over and have dinner with you guys like I'm a high risk player right now and I. I'm I'm in the line of fire of in many cases coming through that. Er I've diagnosed and have confirmed hits on many patients at this point. I'm not sick but is there a chance that I could spread to you? Your family members or some other good friends WanNa have me over for dinner absolutely and I- big part of my job as much as I would love to hang out with people on my free time because I've been working like a dog like it's just not modeling. Good behavior right if I if I don't make these sacrifices than I can't expect other people in my community do the same. So let's let's that's a good segue into misconceptions 'cause you know I've been hearing a lot of things that you know like I said it does seem like people are over the hill here a little bit. And they're they're taking this more seriously but let's talk about some of the things that you're you know that maybe aggravating for you like one of them that I hear is well Young really have to worry about this. I might as well get it now. 'cause then I'll be immune to it down the line and I just don't find. This is sensible because it's the opposite of what I keep. We keep hearing about flattening the curve and how important that is you know if we all get it. In the next month you guys screwed were the nationwide and that's kind of house looking but so we gotta do everything we can. It's better to get it late. It's better to not get it at all but it's better to get it later. Correct yeah are just not at all like like like Clemencia. Better not really. I really don't WanNa get committee right now so I'm good. I'm good later. I just don't want it right but others. I mean yeah that no no. You're absolutely right. So that's the thing that this this concept of flattening the curve. It's you know it's a concept is it's gained a lot of traction in the lay press just within the last week. You Know Gavin. I did a Did a long lecture about an hour and a half lecture to all my teams and also sent to the county commissioners about a week and a half ago about this concept for the exact reason you bring it up now in that you have to. You have to create some sort of a mental model of what things might look like. If we just sit on our hands and wait for it to come to us you know and this idea of trying to convince people to adapt in a brace these changes in their lifestyles. That are really inconvenient if not flat out economically and financially infeasible for them right. I mean there's there's people are not going to pay rent this next month because their jobs have been shut down or they can't go to work or they've been told not to go to work. But when you tell people that it's all about limiting the rate of the spread of the disease that we don't quickly surpass our medical capacity and other words going from a steep climb mountain to a little bit more of a flattened out mound over months. Were when you're mitigating a disease you're still effectively expecting you're GONNA get the same amount the kind of expecting get the same amount of cases A people are GonNa get sick with this. But it's the difference of having those cases spread over eighteen months versus concentrated over four right. And so if you have a bowl rush on every medical facility their hospitals are not Gonna. Have Room. Ers Aren't going to be able to see you for hours You have a traumatic incident. You may not get cared for in an efficient time manner and have about come because of that and you may be slowly having respiratory failure. But there's no beds left admit to not enough oxygen to give to you or there may not be a ventilator for you in that event if we quickly surpass our medical capacity so we don't think that we're going to be able to bulk up our medical capacity within a period of a couple of months and the only thing that can save us is our communities behavior to mitigate the spread of this disease so that that caseload spreads out over that eighteen months instead of that four months even then Gavin might my worry based on a lot of recent analysis that were still not gonna be able to to cover the cost of this disease from an impact on on people's health and and and livelihood. Really unfortunately so now. It's really about trying to you know we're in defense mode right. I mean it sir. Were expecting to get some hits. We just don't want him to be as bad as they could be. How should we recreating right now? Terry I mean how should people in this community and all over the world you know. They have shut down paragliding in a number countries in Europe Not because they're worried about stuff flying around in the air because they don't want one single other person in hospital right now You know we. We take that to skateboarding climbing skiing. I mean how should we be thinking about you guys? Yeah Yeah. I'd I'd prefer that you all spy like a bunch of and slight padding as duct tape around your whole body and then perhaps by one of those like large and flip. You know this or I'd like everybody to just live in a Zorba for awhile it actually. It'd be perfect because you're GONNA be insulated from everybody else. You're unlikely getting exposure and it's pretty hard. I think to get hurt and absorb. Hat's what I'd like to help me come up with a great idea. Actually put that on my notes for my meeting tomorrow to county you go there you go. That could be the next. You know you want to be in the business of making ventilators. Yeah pretty much but serious note. I mean it's different has never been cooler boy in the bubble Gavin with that way. That's my new campaign No so the example here again like before so in our community here I. I made a pitch on multiple levels At the risk of being an alarmist but looking at the data looking at the spread you know when this was first happening and the and the information was coming out of China. Who's kind of looking like? Wow this has potential to be a big deal. But I think I think not as many people will die as there initially reporting and yeah the case fatality rate did go down as they started to in knacks on these measures and as I explained before as they started test more and more people right. They found out. A lot of people are fairly symptomatic Grad mild disease But what quickly became apparent. Is that a case rates were growing exponentially right and then that model was repeated in South Korea is repeated in Iran and then it started to play out in Italy and you have the same experiment replicated in multiple different countries. Then you really start to worry. And you know that it's very likely going to be replicated in your own. And so knowing. Our Limited testing capacity. I knew that you know as soon as we started getting positive hits the United States it would represent the tip of the iceberg and then because of lack of adequate surveillance in the subtlety of this disease process. When you start getting your first couple of hits it usually means there's probably a lot more in the community and so knowing that trying to send out you know a caution both to my hospital but also to my county commissioners and trying to educate in. I spent a Lotta time up front trying to educate my paramedics tease. Because if you look at this concept of trusted messengers in a community they actually have some of the highest trust in a community. Ramey think about your average American society people. Other firefighters say love their paramedics. They love your their ambulance workers They may not be so much love their politicians and their mayors and their council people and so he goes straight to the. That's the one common denominator I have. I may not be everybody social tribe. But I've I've got purview over these trusted member society and I. I wanted to educate them as I would educate appear in medicine of like. Hey this is. This is why I'm worried about this. Is I wanted them to be able to share with all their friends and family members to win hearts and minds to be behind this effort before it really hit hard or at least understand while we were asking him to close schools to not go to work to. Don't throw that dinner party to You know cancel our film festival right. There were a lot of big things I had to do. Right at the beginning. That seemed super absurd to people at the time and and it's really tough to give people to do that before before it actually hits and I think he you know this concept of just trying to compare ourselves to other to other countries as helpful. But you know it wasn't it it also didn't really become real for me. Gavin until one of these first nights had to deal with. I worked a couple of nights shifts last weekend and it was before we had it was before we had closed off entrances to the hospital. It was before we had really good protocol set up to let both our ambulance personnel but also hospital people recognize what warning signs are initial subtle symptoms of the disease might be it was before we had good protection for our registrars even in the E. D. was before we were deploying wearing masks and a lot of goggles and personal protective devices like gowns for these these patients and We were kind of waiting for it to come to us. We worried it was going to come in and Then before even we got our first case announced in in that twenty four hour period of time we went from Having case announced to then the next day I worked I left the night shift About an hour after I left my shut night. Shift my partner. That working day shift had a Self inflicted gunshot wound to the chest yet to manage in a snowstorm able to save his life. At least here they couldn't fly them out. They're managing this critical trauma patient in the Er for a long period of time. You had a busy day. A lot of people started to be panicked about krona virus the the Er was overrun with people. Coming in with common colds wanting testing for krona viruses have waited to divert them to drive through testing. Now anytime a patient that comes in with potential CORONA VIRUS CASE. You gotTA decontaminate the room even if all you might do is put a swab in their nose and then discharged from the hospital and say. Hey we'll get you the results in a little bit. It's about two hours turn over that room So then you've then you've got all those rooms tied up. All these people are coming in had another patient that came in you had krona virus who had a A cardiac arrest. At the time. I started my shift in the. Cat Scanner So we didn't know she had corona virus at the time so everybody goes running into the. Cat Scanner to try to save this woman's life successfully resuscitate order Do what unfortunately is a high risk procedure with someone who has grown virus and intimate or put a breathing tube enter throat save her life but unwittingly exposed multiple meme multiple personnel to that patient and the virus unprotected. Because we just didn't know at that time that that's what was going on with her at the same time just an hour later then find out that one of the previous I sent no documented cases of chronic virus came through the Er week before was a settle case. Most people weren't wearing their protection so they get immediately quarantined. I lose half my nursing staff in the Er that night. So and so. I've got a woman who's intimated on ventilator who's waiting for transfer for two hours because of bad weather lost half my staff over fifty percent of my rooms are taken up for cleaning because people are coming in with Kohl's and costs and WanNa get tested for the corona virus. I'm managing that patient. We have a couple of sick patients come in overnight. I'm working with some some nurses. I don't typically work with and we lent by that night and we get through but I just like if that gunshot wound had overlapped in time with just another case or what if we had A bad ski accident off the hill. Bad Trauma off the hill and this is where it comes back to your point of like what if you had a bad trauma that happened from someone recreating on their own time. And you know and flying you know quickly you might over. Saturate a system that is getting in a rapidly overwhelmed with the impact of this disease are not appropriately prepared in staffing short in their taxed. And so you know. A trauma sucks up a lot of personnel. And it's just it's best if we can just avoid you know those cases. I really don't like to take away personal freedoms but the reality is we also don't have the best confidence that people are going to get the best care possible anymore with the volume of disease out there a pretty clear answer terry. Thank you the the other thing that I'm hearing that I'd like to get your thoughts on Leslie mentioned In the in the talk ahead with her last night that there was this amazing article which I just read before unite got on the phone about these two healthcare workers twenty nine years old female in. Wuhan both totally healthy. No underlying conditions They were both beaten up. You know tired working really hard as you have and everybody else has hospital. They both got it. They both tested positive. One of them died one of them lived. It was terrifying reading through all this. This is a nasty disease. It's when you get in bad It it's not you know I. I think people think it's like oh. It's just the flu and we have to be reminded that you know a the flu can be really nasty if it gets. There is not the flu. It's way worse than the flow. But you know one of the things I hear a lot of is on young. I don't have any underlying conditions. I don't have to worry about this. Yeah yeah in. The initial data from China seemed to be how a lot of people were extrapolating. That is that this was a disease that was primarily affecting those over sixty years of age certainly into the seventies and most definitely the highest morbidity and mortality rates in the eighties. But at that does not mean. It doesn't hurt or harm those you're younger I I had a patient who was twenty one just last week Who has subsequently tested positive is a game. I kinda ten cases of Krona viruses in the county here He looked terrible. Man He just absolutely terrible. Just take like the worst case of flu you could ever imagine and just amplified at dial it up to eleven in. This kid looked fit. He looked healthy. He just did not look like kid. You typically would whine about anything. His mom is sitting at the bedside and she's just like clearly terrified. She's never you read the situation like okay. This mom has never seen her adult son now. Twenty one years of age. Look this miserable before. And she's appropriately concerned and he was just like yeah. This is the sort of. It's sort of appearance of seen with Dan. Gay or malaria like he just wanted to jump out of his own skin. Terrible I was short of breath. And you know he's subsequently recovered but You know he was one of these guys. I was worried about for a long time like he might have tipped into developing a lot of inflammatory response. Essentially fluid building up in his lungs affectively suffocating from this disease and it can be really nasty. I think these are the these are the stories that you know. We really do need to tell to give people to do the right thing. Because if you tell a bunch of your friends who are in their twenties thirties and forties that it's not a disease of concern for them. Then they have no emotional investment to to to tend to it right. You're gonNA care about something if it is an immediate threat to you or an immediate threat to a loved. One you know and until that happens. Most people aren't invested and the only surrogate for that is to be able to tell a good yarn intelligent tale. That's relatable to you really for those of you like you and I who are believed and concern about this problem We need to empower our friends of like the power of anecdote and story. Like when you hear about something has happened to your neighbor or to your mom's friend or your grandma or to your buddy Or just telling the story of this article that you've read about these. Clinicians are in their twenties. Nearly dying dotes yeah These anecdotes are actually what convince people to change a reminds me actually Gavin of There's there's a researchers Paul Slovak University of Oregon who did some really fascinating psychological research about what makes people change their behavior specifically when it comes to making sacrifice so altruistic behavior donating giving money and they. They came up with this really interesting experiment where they enrolled at the University of Pennsylvania. They enrolled a bunch of subjects for another psychological experiment was totally unrelated but they gave the students five bucks after they're done right. So this is this. Is your money you got to do this. Quick experiment this when they got the five bucks and said. Hey you know we've got this terrible famine problem in Africa right now and we've partnered with. Save the children and Retrea us if you'd be willing to donate a portion of the proceeds from from volunteering for this experiment To the cause and then they presented with the subjects with three different scenarios. One was what they call the identifiable victim so they basically they told a tale. They give you the story about a young girl. Tell you her name where she lives what. She looks like what she does day to day. Why she's starving what her family is like And how she wants to go to school but she can't and They just stick with the character right there. Just give the story of the one person and then they presented another group with all the statistics about the impact of the famine. How many people were starving Know in Uganda and what the drought rate was and and then the third group actually told the story of this young character but then they backed it up with the statistics. And as you'd expect where I'm going with his tail. They found out that people that just heard about the identifiable victim. The young girl they gave about twice as much as anybody else And certainly the less the least amount were the groups that just heard the statistics and interestingly the ones that heard the story about the young girl but then also given the statistics they ended up giving less which seems to say that something about statistics and the scale. The problem tends to make us one or not. Listen or turn it off. Maybe because it's so scary and and perhaps that's a cautionary tale. What's happening right now? Gavin is that you know we're trying to win hearts and minds by telling people how terrible this is with numbers and how many people are dying and this concept of our values. And how many other people you might infect and this concept of exponential rise. People don't understand exponential rises. You know but if you tell him story about another pilot in Switzerland who came down the disease and had to be omitted the ice. You nearly died and was intimated for a week. Clearly that's a story in your listener base. That's going to gain some traction right. This isn't just about pilots. A lot of the pilots that are listening to this podcast. Have friends were climbers and her friends were skiers but we have many different social circles. Rerun and there are relatable stories for all those social circles. Right you guys are capable of what I'm capable of doing the job to and trying to tell a tale that resonates with someone else to change their behavior to do is just the right thing to do for humanity right now and that's that's our task and challenge right now You know we cannot. We cannot sit in our hands and wait for immunization. We can't think that we're going to contain outta communities at this point and frankly as much as I'd like to see testing rollout On a much larger scale I. I'm not counting on it. I just think it's it might be too late. GonNa be great when it shows up but you know I think that's just maybe Biz my bias in my hasn't doc. I think we just kind of get served shit sandwiches all the time and we just gracefully throw partially on it and call it good And that's our job you know and we expect little and are pleasantly surprised. I'm expecting total catastrophe out this but I think your listeners in their community That's where the power lies for me to be pleasantly surprised about the impact of this disease. And so I appreciate you know doing your part to win some hearts and minds in the fight and and people keep people following. What seem like really They seem like such simple measures in. It's I think it's really hard for people to understand how it could be doing anything And and they are they're inconveniences. Can't hang out with you and your family you know. I can't have dinner with my friends. I can't just like I can't show up to any other public space. You know right now And that's hard and it's also really hard thinking that we might have to do that for months. Yeah Yeah I mean. It's it's easy to say right now. You're not enjoying things because you're working your butt off but you know what I'm hearing from a lot of people as you know. The trail heads are packed. Right now you know what I'm hearing from a lot of people as you know it's it's suddenly allowing us to a L. contemplate our own fragility in the world and be a soak it up. I mean it's just that's an amazing opportunity for some that now again like lessee and I just talked about. Is You know. There's a lot of people who are going to be really affected by this. So but you know it's it's it's a time to reflect. It's time to be quiet time to listen to time to breathe and certainly what the planet's doing and You know so yeah. We talked a lot of the last one with silver linings. I don't think there's a lot for you guys but Except maybe that this is a dress rehearsal for the next one. That might be worse. I guess but yeah there's that I also think that you know I think the other thing guy than you and I've talked about this to bed as you know. Sometimes it's really nice to have a common problem to a kind of aligned behind on fight for and this is this is a common problem for humanity right now and I think it's also I think it's also important to have challenges matter. You know this one clearly really really matters and if you're looking for a sense of purpose in your life I mean it's here now. There's no doubt Terry thank you me on. I have taken up way too much of your time. Get some sleep got a night off. You will ever get any time off. I know right now but appreciate thank you very much. Thank you to you and everybody out. There they're fighting the good fight man. I feel for you I worry about you. All and Stay healthy yeah man. I'm doing my best. The swamp drinking whisky perfect sterilizing my bloodstream. That don't misconception. That doesn't work that's anecdote. That's that's anecdote that's my works for me may not work for. You may not work for all I got. I got to respond to a text from your sister now. Great Thanks Buddy. Appreciate it and get some sleep

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COVID: The Real Science

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COVID: The Real Science

"So. Glad to have you with US tonight. My name is Joyce scrap. I'm with recline Rotary Club I, the Secretary of the local club, and I'm the district chairperson for polio plus and so we wanted to share with you. What it takes to end a pandemic and we hope that you will participate in the program and supply your questions as well. We have a very impressive group convenient for you tonight and one in pass the baton to our moderator Carry Goldberg carry covers helping science, and it's the host of Wvu. Ours Common Health section. She's been the Boston Bureau chief of the Near Times, a staff March Moscow correspondent for the Los Angeles. Times and a health and science reporter for the Boston. Globe. So as she's also by the way, a brookline parents. Carry Takeaway. Thank you. Thank you very much. Joy said to all the sponsors of this program. Tonight it's kind of. Me Even after a solid six months of covering covid nineteen nonstop. How many burning questions there still are how many things there still are that we all feel really urgent need to know and so I'm I'm especially happy to have with us this extremely distinguished panel tonight I will introduce them very briefly. Then we'll hear from Dr Ofer leaving about vaccines i. then he's going to have to go, and then we will continue with other presentations and questions and answers. So with US tonight, we have Michael McGovern he is the chair of the Rotary International Polioplus. Committee. He Represents Rotary on the polio oversight. Board. Of the global polio eradication. Innocent. Thanks to this effort. Africa was declared polio free in August and he can give us some of the big picture about what it takes to end a pandemic Dr Thomas Cy is a surgeon at Brigham and women's Hospital and an assistant professor in the Department of Health, policy and management at the Harvard Chan School of Public Health Dr is a senior fellow at the Harvard Global Health Institute where he's leading the institute's research on the effect of Covid nineteen on the United. States healthcare system and development of national testing targets. So he'll be our target most of our testing questions. Also with US DR O. Fair Levy is director of the is director of the precision vaccine program and senior associate physician in medicine in the Division of Infectious Diseases at Boston. Hospital that precision vaccines program employee's multidisciplinary approaches to make safe and effective vaccines for vulnerable populations such as the young and elderly that I'd say all of us are feeling fairly boulder ball right now. So he will be our vaccine expert and last but very much not least Dr Jennifer low is a physician serving as the medical director for the Boston Public Health Commission. She's also a member of the Department of Family Medicine at Boston University School of Medicine in her role. Dr Lows Shapes Public Health Policy for the city of Boston. So she's our Goto public health person on all kinds of issues of public health and also equity in particular. So let's start. Dr Levy would you please present on vaccines and in particular give us a sense of the outlook for I think what we're all wondering, which is when Lord? When are we going to get a vaccine? Of thank you for that Kerry and and four the opportunity to to present today It's really an honor and obviously a critically important topic. So might mytalk entitled the race for Corona Virus vaccine is just a few slides giving you a sense of what we have before us obviously to address this pandemic public health measures will arche of the social, distancing the masks the washing of the hands we don't WanNA, lose sight of those critical components and a potential game changer would be a safe and effective vaccine. As we know, the current administration has put a lot of money a towards something called the warp speed. Initiative of five or six vaccines. A lot of money has been poured into those. They are in clinical trials at various phases. One two and three. We believe they'll be more data coming off in the coming weeks and months, and hopefully those data look good in terms of supporting safety and Yes. Efficacy of at least some of these vaccines on to tell you a little bit from my perspective as a physician scientists as an infectious disease expert at Children's Hospital as director of the precision. Vaccine Program as a professor at at at Harvard Medical School and Associate member. MIT's Brody Institute of what this race looks like from our end. And as you see my first slide here, I highlight that what's generally known about infectious diseases in the world not just covert but all infectious diseases is there tends to be a pattern that the number of infectious. Deaths here on the Y axis as a function of the age of the individuals were dying of infections is very much a U. shape distribution, and by that, we mean that most infections in the world strike hardest when we're very young and when we're very old and we believe that that reflects the change in our immune system with age, there's a famous philosophical saying the only constant thing in life is changed and the immune system is no different from the day we are born to the day we die the immune system is changing and our team at Boston Children's Hospital is employing some very sophisticated approaches to understand the age. Specific changes immunity and how they relate to infection and to the efficacy of vaccines, which is critical topic. Tonight. Now, this is also playing out of course, in the covert Pandang, as we know people who are older are at higher risk of severe covid or even Cova death. And might also present with unusual symptoms as we also know children although less acceptable to Kobe death can get serious. A multi organ inflammatory conditions I've consulted on some of those children's at Boston Children's Hospital and so a very much. This concept that age effects how an infection plays out is is is holding in Cova and age. Now, if we believe the immune system changes are underlying because to simplify very complicated field. The immune system is relatively weaker when we're just born and when we're very old and think about that that has implications number one at those ages, you're more susceptible to infectious diseases and number two. By the same principle, it may be more challenging to effectively immunize you just in the subpopulations that we most want to protect of their distinct immunity might pose a challenge to get a robust vaccine response. We see this with influenza. All get our flu vaccine I. Just got mine this morning. And our elders need them more than ever because they are at high risk of severe flu and US often the response isn't as robust to the vaccine. When we're older as we would wish, it were a to fully protect them and we hope that won't be the case with a CO vaccines, but it may well be. A you know ideally, vaccines would be one-size-fits-all. You invent a vaccine and it works perfectly in every subgroup in every age group a however one hundred years of experience in vaccines teaches us that many factors tend to impact vaccine responses, your sex. If you're young earth older if you give a vaccine in the summer or winter if you give a vaccine alone or together with other vaccines if you give a live weakened germ or if you give a piece of a microbe Leka protein, if you give the same vaccine in one part of the world or another, you might get a different response because of genetic and EPI genetic differences in the population. So everything seems to matter and that's the rationale of for precision vaccine's program based at Boston Children's Hospital. It's really largely funded by NIH by Tony Cheese National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and it's really a platform to enhance collaboration between academia industry and government to develop vaccines for vulnerable populations. three projects I want to highlight to you that our program is undertaking to address. The covert pandemic one is understanding the interaction of this corona virus with the human immune system. Why? Because the better we understand the human immune response to the virus we can understand the types of responses that are associated with successfully clearing the virus and recovering versus getting very sick or God forbid dying and those lessons may inform vaccine efforts. They may inform prognostic biomarkers they may informed therapeutics, and so in partnership with Nih we are undertaking a study called Immuno phenotype assessment in a covert or impact of this is a national study of one thousand to two thousand adults across the United States ages, eighteen years and older, and now we're up to fifteen medical centers and we are collect following patients from the moment or admitted to hospital up to twelve months convalescence. Clinical data, but also ten bio sample time points, blood urine nasal swabs to track not just the virus in its clearance but also the host immune response have your white blood cells. The components of your immune system's your antibodies, fight the virus, and we can compare those who had a light course who were in the hospital for one or two days and went and did find versus those wet. A very severe course went to the ICU or God forbid even died and compare the differences in each of the tubes were collecting and we are tracking two hundred thousand bio samples each. Of those samples, we will measure hundreds of thousands of analysts, cells, white blood cells of proteins DNA, Aren et Cetera, and then do a massive data integration a across the United States to get a deep dive as to how the Human Immune System response to this virus in how that varies between men and women young old people with different body mass index people with different drugs of smokers versus non smokers. Many questions will be asked of this data and these insights will help inform new biomarkers. Therapeutic vaccines are second major project. WE DON'T WANNA lose sight of the most vulnerable. We are aiming to build a corona virus vaccine that's optimized for the elderly. You see most vaccine development in the world it historically has been hit or miss you. You come up with idea for vaccine might work at the bench. You might inject it into a mouse to show that you know the mouse is okay after the injection and makes antibodies and appears protected. From infection eventually trial it in humans a but we do things a different way we want to keep in mind the most vulnerable populations with respect to a given infection. In this case, the elderly and for that we believe it may be the case we don't know 'cause we don't have the results yet on the warp speed vaccines we believe in the coming weeks and. Months we will, but we don't have all those results yet, but we suspect based on what's known on other vaccines that it's possible that the response of the elderlies might not be as robust the immune response to the vaccine as we would like to protect them now don't get me wrong. If in a few months, we announced good news one or more of these. warps feedback scenes appear save and is protecting fifty, sixty, seventy percent. That's huge news because right now we're we're comparing it to what we have nothing. So it'll be a great step forward, but the research will continue because how about a vaccine the dozen require two doses I mean, it's hard enough to immunize three hundred million. Americans. Now try to do that twice in O-. Or what about if the elders give a much weaker response in our only forty percents protected again, we don't have the data yet, but it's quite possible based on what we've seen with other vaccines that we run into these issues. One answer to those challenges might be molecules. We call events at of comes from the Latin Avar to help or age. These are molecules that boost immune response. They're like rocket fuel for the immune system. If you see the top panel that shows you what happens when you inject a simple vaccine, it just has the Antigen Antigen is from Antigen generating antibody generating substance you injected. The IT gets gobbled up by white blood cells talk to other white blood cells. You make antibodies that may protect you. But what often happens is you make some antibodies than a few weeks later they come right back down and you need multiple doses to stay protected. You know many of those childhood vaccines you need multiple doses we are trying to build single shot protection vaccines and those involved the advent that's in in the in the. Red Star here and I it's simplify matters when you inject it with the advent. With if it's a good. You get a super activation of the white blood cells and you get durable and strong immune responses so. We haven't proven this visit is a proof of concept for other vaccines with advocates of, for example, REX, which is, of Selah, vaccine of for older individuals has imagination system developed. By GlaxoSmithKline, I don't own any stock with them or anything, but but that vaccine which is licensed and on the market has an amazing rate of protection in the elders who suffer disaster rights why? Because it has the special sauce? The edge of image that activates the elderly immune systems. So we are doing a systematic search, which molecules could be added to a corona virus vaccine to ensure it works optimally in the most vulnerable. How do we do that? We have elderly individuals who donate study participants donate some blog to our program, and then we tested outside the body and culture sell dishes, and we test thousands of small molecules and. See, which one would activate the elderly white blood cells, the human elderly white blood cells outside the body, and then those molecules go into our test vaccine and go into the mice. So this is a completely crazy way to build a vaccine that's not across one hundred years of human history. Nobody built a vaccine this week, we're putting the humans upfront before we go to the mice because it doesn't go into. The mice unless it proves to us, it's going to work in the elderly at least in outside the body. So to the extent that our system models that we believe that this will accelerate indie risk of axiom, there would protect the elderly. Of course, the antigen would be the spike protein you know corona virus is like a ball with spikes on it. We believe antibodies against that spike will protect against infection. All, the warp speed vaccine's whether they're M. R. A. or other types of vaccines adenovirus vector in one way or another are based on the spike protein. The third insight to interact you hit your ten minute bike. So do. Really. The last project is asking can hundred-year-old Tiburcio succeed seem called Seo Comeback Iran or BCG protect against Kovin this is one of the most commonly administered vaccines in world history hundred million babies get it a year to prevent disseminated tuberculosis, and early like leaves a scar increasing evidence that it broadly revs up the immune system to protect against variety of viruses including potentially flew in coronavirus. We are about to stand up face to human study a base at the. Brigham and Women's Hospital with Lindsay Bayden BCG to prevent covert in healthcare workers. This is to roll out November and stay tuned for details on that. It's a completely different concept. It's a nonspecific vaccine to protect against all viruses. We hope that works and that's coming up soon, and we're trying to set up after that a study in the elderly and in nursing homes with the same concept many people on the team to thank and I'm happy to take any buses. Wonderful. Thank you so much. So let's move from all of your big data wave immune phenotype being with trying thousand different advocates and let me get right to up to simple personal question to you affair at what point will you get a vaccine haven't given to your children. Right. So that's a great question. That's the crux of the matter I will also say that in the past I've been a part time employee. If the US government I served a for the FDA, the Food and Drug Administration on the vaccines and Related Biologic Products Advisory Committee is to fly to Washington DC every month and give advice on flu vaccines, Zebulon vaccines and pregnancy. So I have seen these. Files the thousands of pages that companies file with FDA, and then this expert panel advises FDA should this be approved or now of course, my comments are not official government comments. It's my own personal opinions but become with a lot of experience it boils down to safety and efficacy in the coming weeks and months there will be a lot of data coming up. You've heard of the modern trial of their four five other large companies that that have a vaccine advanced testing Pfizer and others, and we're GONNA. See this data coming out and and we're going to have as a process. They're going to have an expert panel review all that data and advise. The FDA an FDA will decide is there an emergency use authorization? Does the data look good enough it starts with safety. There are certain things that are acceptable low I got a flu vaccine. This morning I did and my arms a little sore, but it's better than getting the flu. So that's okay. But is there a a larger safety signals? A severe reacted university is the rapid of side effects swelling pain tenderness in the fever if that's very severe, that might be a problem if you want to give that to three hundred million people right or or are there rare side effects? Those are harder to pick up a in a small rapid trial. And and and remember vaccines also get blamed for a lot of things that they don't cost a because if everybody gets vaccine and then all of us at one point or not all but some of us at one point or another, we'll have something bad happen to our health and is that due to a vaccine or was going to happen anyway. So we really need very rigorous statistical analysis and not hearsay and not rare events that are not really correlated So, we have to to to be balanced. We have to be open minded that safety comes first for something you're going to give to help people and at the same time, we can't unfairly blamed vaccines for things they're not they they didn't cause. So this is a long winded way of saying in the coming months when those data come out, FDA is going to convene those expert panels. Those panels are GonNa vote on for each a separate warp speed vaccine. Do the data supports safety do the support efficacy. Those are two separate determination, and we might have some vaccines that are safe but not very effective. Some that are effective but there's some concern about the safety signal. What do we do then or what if it's safe but it's only forty percent effective fifty percent. That's a pretty weak advocacy on the other hand compared to what if we have nothing right now, some really hard public health decisions will have to be made and the kids is a whole different matter because to my knowledge, there are no large scale trials of Corona virus vaccine in children right now. But children also needed protection for a number of reasons. Number one is they can get the severe inflammatory syndromes and I've seen children land in the hospital with a number two of course, they may spread of infection to older individuals. So, we're never going to really get complete heard protection without a immunizing any of the younger people in the population on the other hand safety and efficacy can be age dependent. So you do the study in that population. How do you know I do know that some of the warp speed studies are including the elderly? So that's helpful. Will see how the data look in them versus the Middle Age but the pediatric is a question Mark Right now, and I think that's GonNa. Lag. So I want to press you just went aspect of this vaccine process has clearly become politicized. Do you trust what the FDA will come out? When will you in fact when they if and when they recommend vaccine as being safe enough and effective enough will that be good enough for you. I. Believe it will be obviously as a scientist show me the day that you know I wanna see these data published I wanna be a the public. Especially scientists and physicians around the world to be able to look at it and form opinions of it. In general I have been impressed by the process. It's a serious process and and I I will trust the process, but not blindly, I'd like to see what the data looks like those hearings. At least traditionally have been have had a big component that are open to the public So these are usually discussed in a big chunks of edge in public, and there's usually time for public commentary. That's at least the sessions I've been so it I think it is a rigorous process not a perfect process that because any human processes imperfect humans are imperfect and we're trying to do things quickly much faster than ever before most. Vaccines Taken Ten to twenty years to develop we don't have that kind of time. Now they're scaling these vaccines they're building them even before we know which vaccine works which is also a challenge So it we're in a very delicate moment on the other hand as the processes is traditionally seen, it played out I do believe in and I I am cautiously optimistic that it'll be a the proper process this time as well. I hope you can go public when you get the vaccine. So we can all Delta that it's time. We're getting We're getting lots and lots of questions and I know you have to go and we need to get together panelists. I'm GonNa Throw them at you rapid fire answer them as quickly as you count great question one from the audience. If you have an immune deficiency disorder and have antibody deficiencies will a vaccine work. Will that depends On the vaccine and the severity of your immune deficiency disorder. If you have a very A. Very first of all. If, you have a some types of severe immunodeficiency. You should not get any live vaccine because then the live acceding, that's a weakened Jeremy there wouldn't be dangerous in somebody whose immune system is robust could be dangerous to somebody with a very weak immune systems that one statement to make another statement to make is if the part of the your immune system, it makes antibodies. Is Not working, and if antibodies is what protect you then that might be a failure rate right there you might benefit from passive immunization, the regeneration approach where you have antibodies, I. Believe the President received that in during his recent hospitalization in Walter Reef of which would be antibodies monocle antibodies against the current of that might be an alternative approach for such an individual. And related questions should immuno-compromised elderly worry about the Kobe vaccine you kind of answered that well, again, it depends on which immuno-compromised compromising conditions they have and basically consult with their physician. When will we see data on durability of the various vaccines including that adds event Fat Right So. That's you know in my mind there are multiple reasons on adjacent may be part of the answer of your Lavigne's can turn a weak response stronger response. Japan's can have dose sparing. So you need one dose hopefully instead of to Adams, can increase durability of response and we don't know now with the warp speed I believe they're gonNA ask for at least two months of safety followup A. So then we will know at least several months of durability, but we are not going to know whether the vaccine is gonNA protect for years. Think about the studies just started a few months ago. So if we're going to render a decision as a society in the coming months, we're not going to know with confidence that the vaccine will protect you for years. This may be like the flu or you need yearly doses. That's why I'm telling people the day we get a safe effective vaccine will be a great day and the urgent research will continue for the next generation corona virus vaccines that can hopefully protect you with fewer doses protect the vulnerable protect for long duration, right? What percentage of population needs to get vaccinated to create herd immunity excellent. Question on I've seen estimates on your bio statistician. But I've seen a published estimates that if a this is approximate if the vaccine has eighty percent efficacy. Than maybe you need eighty eighty, five percent of the population immunized to to get that robust heard immunity. A Lot. That's a very rough. You know but that was based on a one study. There may be other models, other studies that was one study obscene. Which vaccine platform do you have the most confidence in terms of safety and durability there early studies from the modern vaccine indicate high fever rate the tried and true aggravates traditional vaccines be safest but they're further behind the other. So what horse are you betting on I? Think we have to have multiple shots on goal and I do think it was good that the web speed place bets not on one or two, but six and are, as you know, approximately one hundred and fifty to two hundred vaccine approach is in development. So hopefully, with so many shots on goal where will get something hopefully sooner than later. When do you think the first pediatric vaccine trials will happen and then this at this person says I haven't seen a pediatric Piatra trial on the landscape. You know this is a real issue. It's an issue in fact, sinologist issue in medicine special populations, pregnant women, children you know the US. Congress has passed the Pediatric Research Initiative because time and again you know women and children get left out of certain medical research obviously safety i. There needs to be some presumption of inclusion ethically what does it mean for society to say we don't even think about including you know. So as a pediatrician, we deal with this a lot a lot of the drugs we give the hospital pediatric drugs are given off label because nobody's ever done proper dose finding. It's the situation improved somewhat because the government has required this a bit under the Clinton administration others there have been some improvement but. Still, a ways to go I don't know because they need to start the studies that drumbeat starting I hear it in the public discourse in I would imagine I don't know anything insider information, but I would imagine in the coming weeks and months committees are going to start convening about how do we get the kids on board and then they need to set up the study's needed to conduct them so it could be a year away. Last question. Thank you so much for staying I apologize to all the people who sent in vaccine questions that we couldn't get you hear it. Recent polls indicate a huge drop in the percentage of Americans willing to take a Kobe vaccine and worrying a general lack of confidence in the research process. How can the medical community restore this trust I? Think we need to devote more resources and that's not just money that's really time and expertise in describing the science to the lay public I think this is. Absolutely critical. I mean even before Kovin vaccine head, his hesitancy has been a huge issue on ninety plus percent of this content and social media on vaccine's anti backs, and then layer on top of that that this is all playing out of out of control during political campaigns and I've been interviewed on CNN and other outlets and the people interviewing that was interviewed on Fox News Etcetera. They're always trying to push me to make some political statement and I'm like I'm sorry this virus doesn't know politics scientists science. But we do have to do a better job describing the lay public, what we're doing, why what are the safeguards in place and what are the checks and balances and the systems to try to deliver a safe and effective product. Create affair fairly thank you so very much for being with Sir. Thank you and let's move on to Michael. McGovern from from rotary. Thank you very much Kerry and thank you for inviting me to the session. The reason someone from rotary was invited to participate tonight is that we've been working on polio eradication since nineteen seventy nine and when when you hear about polio eradication you thinking, wow, why are we still talking about polio eradication and how does this have anything to do with the corona? Virus? Jonas Salk came out with that scene in nineteen fifty five. I was born in fifty six. That was sixty five years ago and it was. In nineteen seventy, nine, some areas of the Philippine said, this isn't right. You live in the United States you don't get polio, but you live in the Philippines you know our kids are still getting polio. So they asked rotary to help out and three years later there was no more polio in the Philippines. Say a rotary said you know this be done? In the Philippines why can't we do it in the rest of the world and we enlisted the support who UNICEF the CDC eventually The bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and Gabby, and we began something called the Global Polio Eradication Initiative. This was in nineteen, eighty eight, and here we are thirty two years later, there is still clear when the world. And you know with with, we've gone for fifty thousand paralytic cases a year down only two countries, Pakistan and Afghanistan. But you know we had a goal of finishing this in two thousand five. So you think of. If it's polio and what everyone knows about polio and you can't get that done. Now, what are the lessons that we've learned for for for trying to get other vaccines and eliminate other diseases you know? I mentioned we have worked country by country but it's taken persistence. It's taken. Passion is taken money and it's it's really taken partnerships and you know it's out. You know these are just highlight not dr great experts I really enjoyed the the last presentation. But what we've learned we actually spend still radical polio we meaning the partnership about a billion dollars a year. We're. What fifty thousand children but we're spending about thirty five percent of our by doing a social mobilization. That's not the delivery system those that's the billboards it's the community influences is trying to convince people that they should actually get those polio drops in about an and that's not easy you we accomplished it all but the countries, but it's still a challenge that sustained it in Africa where which was declared free of the wild polio virus in in August. It's still a challenge in India as well. So. You know. So you I about you need very clear messaging. You know there's there's a lot of. trying to think of the right word cross-currents. I'm trying to be a non-political. There's a lot of cross-currents out there and you know it's We just heard the statistics of the vaccine hesitancy. You need the government with one clear message, but I said the government you need the government stroke world you need the who you need the CDC you need the government in China and you need the government, the United States everyone's gotta be working together down the same path. Kuroda Cova I sing singer Unique. Community leader support. you know things happen. And vaccines I went to the abuse Oracle Polio Vaccine. That scenes in the malls because as local community people with the delivery system you know rotary is out there we have rotarians. One point two, million dollars we encourage that but we pay stipends who particularly women because they're the they're the people respected to deliver vaccines. In we paint them snipe and trump the world through who in unison to actually. the polio drops in the most. People are a lot more. Ready to take a vaccine when it's not some unknown person who's telling them to do it when it's the next door neighbor. We've been heavily involved with celebrity endorsers and I know that sounds a little you know. But it makes a difference in a lot of people you know the the the the the the basketball player, the ballet dancer, the the international model we have one one in Brazil and those celebrity addresses. Jack Nicklaus one yet but Jack Nicholas he's well known but you know he he doesn't appeal to the kid on the street in Nigeria in Code La in Afghanistan don't we need celebrity endorsers recognized in a particular country. We need constant inter. you know the the DOC is a far more expert than I am but you know if you look at the original salk vaccine, original Sabin vaccine that has evolved over the years and we're continuing to invest. In. Vaccine. Research. we're continuing to you know really studied the modeling of is Actually Group at Harvard that helps us with that of understanding you know. They. I'm again I'm not a doctor, but you know. Patches helped to deliver vaccines and other delivering technical systems and as the world changes as people expectations are different. You know you need to have that constant intervention you need to be ready for social media. We had an example in. Pakistan year and a half ago we have. We doing polio drops in a particular community, and suddenly on the afternoon we were doing a. Postings appeared on facebook and WHATSAPP, and it showed all of these kids passing out on the floor. And they showed them. A little video having giving them polio drops while the vials. Worth the ones used by the polio program. But that week two, hundred, thousand kids ended up going to hospitals in that part of Pakistan claiming that they were as a result of the polio vaccine. The hospitals did find a single kid who was set and eventually the videos. The government confiscated the videos and they showed the Mexican rehearsing the kids getting sick. and you know, sadly, that's what you deal with in today's world. There are people out there with vaccines. ooh. Yes. There are some issues vaccines I understand that I've had some trouble with statins myself, but you know it's There are people out there. It's not so much there against the vaccine anti-government elements and they want to show that the government isn't control is not in control and end it's not responsible. So you know you need to be ready for every anything you need to know there's always going to be an expert on television who disagrees with what the experts say, and you know a radical getting disease is not easy polio. It's been sixty five years. Now we're confident that the partnership, the government's the support of all those things I've indicated that were going to get get it a radically aided but you know you need patients. Yeh Passion. We need these medical experts in. You know we've it's as much. It's not just medicine it's psychology. Sociology. And you know it's all these elements that come into play. So he's very proud of its work We we we we have over a billion dollars of our own money rotarians into the the radical polio with helped to raise about another twenty billion dollars from the government. We're happy to have recruited the bill of Melinda Gates, Foundation, the polio eradication cat radicalization. Where only ambien izing kids under the age of five And you just think of the magnitude of the billions and. Billions of people around the world all of whom have you know different make ups of the of this systems and I just Thank goodness, medical community WHO's working on this and thank goodness for events like this that help everyone understands carry good to be with you tonight and I look Floyd together presenters. Thank you so much I've been very quick follow up question, which is given everything that you've learned from polio and given that we don't have axion yet. What is the one most important thing that you think needs to be done right now to fight occur in virus Person I, think the most important thing is for everyone to stay safe. He'll follow the advice of the CDC. Secondly. Don't rush a vaccine before it's ready. We have a new vaccine coming out to some some. Something called vaccine dry polio, and it's been under study funded by the Gates Foundation Kenny is what we applied for the first ever early use license from whol. It's taken over year and we still don't have it. So don't put something out there. That is going to be public relations disaster You know make sure it's safe and it's right to the greatest degree possible before putting it out there. Moving. On next testing Dr Thomas side. All Yours. Thank you carry I'll first start with a snapshot of where we are in the United States and Massachusetts and talk a little bit about our work at the harbour global health suit. To develop a risk level DASH ordinarily use the most my to cover five key themes and really set the stage for some the questions from the audience today. But the US today currently, there are seven point, four million confirmed cases of Covid nineteen so far over two, hundred, three, thousand deaths and what that means. Right now, the pandemic is still surging. We started off with a peak in. April. We're supposed to go down into a valley, but will we ended up with was with the plateau that plateau as? A mountain range and we're very still in the midst of mountain range. Currently, there are nine states that are currently hotspots united. States those are states with over twenty five, hundred, thousand new cases on a seven day moving average. That's North Dakota South Dakota Wisconsin Utah Montana Idaho Iowa Nebraska Arkansas was seen as a shift pandemic geographically from the northeast to south southwest and now the upper. what about Massachusetts We're starting to see our small rise in cases again of four, hundred, fifty, four cases yesterday eight deaths at one point one percent test positive rape from Massachusetts has been exemplar of is a commitment to testing and committing commitment to focusing on the data to guide our policy making a Massachusetts is the only state in the nation currently that does. Meeting suppression targets for Covid Nineteen, and what that means is You know at the work at the Harvard Global Health Institute we've been collaborating with the Brown School of public, health I'm with one of my colleagues she job was occurring Gina. The browns go public health as well as with harbor Sacramento for ethics to develop a risk level dashboard. And will we see? In these dashboards are available I global epidemics dot org we wanted to do was to bring around a convergence effort. Everybody was talking about the testing rates across different populations pretend thousand individuals per million individuals and people were really linking the guidelines around reopening initially around the reopening economy from lockdown. Now, a terms of schools to what the overall surrounded committee level risk is. So our risk level, a Gash Board of and you could bring up the first slide. Brings it down to the county level in our own backyards in shows a what the risk of communal transmission is in every single county in the united. States broken down to green yellow orange red levels off the incident number of new cases. We then also developed national testing targets. Anti could bring up the last slide. A, we have been collaborating with the National Public Radio MPR to develop new monthly targets of what the testing thresholds should be and the story which was published last week. These are some of the numbers from the MPR story really illustrates that the the key trade-offs at stake. As, we look get changed the role of testing from a more reactive one based on diagnosing individuals to a more proactive one based off of testing asymptomatic individuals that really means we need make a decision as a country about who to test because number of tests that are needed of become astronomical. So this is a phase dependent make we start to think about the essential health workers, students, and really the populations that we value and if we do bow. Means in terms of national testing strategy and thank you. That's the last slide. So out one of the transition to five key themes of to set the stage for I think how we should think about the pandemic in this current phase. The first is that we've been treading water You know the now I like to use during the pandemic Azad we're swimming. In the ocean the shore is in sight, there's a current riptide coming against us and we've been doing an I mean we in terms of the Federal National Strategy is to just to tread. Holding our breaths for the moment that vaccine is going to come as you heard, from Michael, heard from Dr Levy. Even, when the vaccine comes, it's not going to hundred percent effective for polio. It's taken decades to eradicate. So even vaccine does come. It doesn't mean that we need to stop following through with our good public health guidance masking testing, contact, racing, and physical distancing. So we need to do face from not just treading water, but have the resolve to release swim towards shore, and that's what we mean by moving from just mitigating pandemic to really trying to suppress a pandemic and it can be done in one. Example is New Zealand which is entering from its second lockdown just today. But now there are no cases, a Kobe team in new, Zealand, different story, smaller countries island but I think it's an example, the resolve that's needed. The second things that we're in a new phase of the pandemic or moving from a this reactive mode of testing around really the medical diagnostic infrastructure of somebody coming in with symptoms you're basically confirming that they have coordinated with molecular testing PR tests and now with new technologies coming engine. Tests that can provide results as Louis. Fifteen minutes we need to rethink what the role of testing should be. It's a longer about confirming individuals with symptoms. Let's by using testing as part of a overall strategy to reopen the economy in a safe way we think about this, we need to create US testing to create the conditions for safety we drive on the road. We don't argue about do I wear see belt where using air bag or stop at a stop sign or starting to stop light we. Do all of the above. That's the third key theme is that it is really all the above approach I. think part of the discourse from the pandemic has been, is it masking is a testing is a contact racing or is it a vaccine? Is a vaccine? Is The live axiom? I? Think that's the wrong way to think about this a known is from the pandemic of from other countries from the last several months is that we need all the above there is not going to be a single vaccine. Multiple different vaccines we've seen some questions from the audience depending on your own risk profiles. If dreaming a compromise, we may need a different type of maxine for different groups of individuals I mean that's a key thing is that we need all hands on deck approach because his pandemic is still going to be with us over the next several months. The third phase is that. As we move towards a more rapid testing with indigent testing more frequently, we need to shift the policy solutions from a supply side only to thinking about the demand side most of the funding is focused on public health labs and and Dr Low. Public Health is incredibly important and we should support public health labs but this part of the pandemic where we needed, you know the previous phase has been focused getting the noses to the swabs getting people to the emergency rooms to the clinics. This podcast, we will get the swabs to the noses, move the testing into the communities that are most high risks that are by. Definition medically underserved. So how do we support the demand for testing when the financial systems touchy predicated on the the medical system so even the cares act funding is tying testing reimbursement to insurance companies which need medical doctors to authorize it have to be performed in in what's called a clear certified laboratory setting, and what we need to do is break from that way of thinking. and really support support demand for testing because we heard stories, everyday people paying out of pocket for tests of astronomical costs that just shouldn't be the case in America in twenty twenty and they met Belcher programs or free programs. But we really need to do is to support the task at the noses to the swabs as swabs to the noses and the last part last. Theme is, as we think about all these issues together as the nets was the heart of the NPR story as we have these newer technologies, these newer tasks, and that's true for vaccines as well. This is the moment were the policy decisions really involve trade, Offs Retest, college? Students. We Test K. through twelve students who test the teachers we test the the students though these are really hard. Hard choices. Do we test the the frontline healthcare workers, doctors, nurses retest the patients, and I think this is the conversation that we as as town as a society need really need to be having is you know who'd we value the most and given the resources that we have used resources to protect our most vulnerable populations but like I said. What that means is going to be in all the above reproach of which testing is a key part of vaccination will keep her as well but it still means that we still need underlying seat belt of of masking and physical distancing. So these are the five key thing we have to think about as we enter the next phase of the pandemic. Thank you one quick follow up question. Then we'll get to Dr Love. You learning as relatively new resident that proclaimed a very combative Coun-. Especially, it's so so media and I think probably the biggest fight I've seen here in a very long time is over, can we send our kids to school and how many kids can we send and should the teachers go and the whole question of in-person learning and certainly testing is a big part of that and thus far I think we have any testing setup although I know it's being discussed and we have an amazing panel. Of parents and others looking at at science issues in the Brooklyn Public Schools but my question for you would be. What do we need to be able to send all our kids back to school? Yeah. That's a great question Kerry and we actually have a calculator for that. So uncle Web Oregon that NPR story there is a calculator spreadsheet way. You can take dropdown menus and move the sliders and terms of you know do I die U. K. through eight students or do I guy K. through twelve students? And we've broken down I, think the key thing to think about is what the overall risk committee level transmission is. Schools are part of the community teachers are the students are of the family members? Are we see mostly clusters infections are coming from the community to the schools is very limited secondary transmissions of of infections happening at school for the most part. So we really need to the overall risk in a community is in base the decisions around. in-person versus hybrid versus virtual around the the committee level risk but that's contingent upon the ability to mitigate the pandemic in the schools in terms of the resources, the masking the physical space to be able to physically distance. So all those come into play and you know we have a corresponding set of a school recommendations. It's a working group of of researchers. Across Harvard from the school education to the School Public Health Medical School you know to to provide some guidance to to these things, but it needs to be tied to the data for some promos That's where the Commonwealth is a really great job of providing a wrist level map of what the the transmission risks. The risks are different enough our dashboard. But there isn't a gold standard. This is a new pandemic Wendy's dash to spur. These discussions were having because he's reflect local values. And they're very tough questions. I think great. Thank you so much for your patients. Dr Jennifer Low. The public health perspective. Can you be everyone thank you so much for inviting me to speak this evening and as Dr Leading mentioned. He got a flu shot I. Got Mine Yesterday Anchorage Everyone on the call to also get shot as mentioned in the Medical Director Boston Public Health Commission, and our mission at BPHC's to protect, preserve, and promote the health and well being of Boston residents. Particularly, the most vulnerable we envision a thriving Boston or our residents live healthy filling lies for your racism poverty violence and other systems of oppression. And already Levin equitable opportunity resources leading to optimal health and wellbeing. Within BPHC, we house the Office of Public Health Premier Preparedness and through this office, we focus on preparedness response recovery roles dealing with health and medical impacts of emergencies for the entire region. So this is the punchline. Why was the medical director at Boston Public Health Commission and? A. Brooklyn sponsored events we are off the public health preparedness works very closely with partners within Boston. Metro by scenario including Brookline as well as state and federal partners on these preparedness activities. Sue it is important to note that The City of Boston have addressed vaccine preparedness in subscription. I think that the primary reason I was invited to speak about this is thinking about from a public health perspective when a scene is available, how be distributed? So this is something that on a HP thinks about honore on a regular basis, we create a flu season operations plan every year with a key objects which are two main such maintain ongoing, similar elation awareness for our city healthcare partners, the general public, and our and our the Metro Boston in statement in federal partners we also develop and implement an equal accede plan in order to reduce disease transmission. We provide timely inaccurate public health information on the flu and we coordinate incident command across the region that I mentioned so I recognize that I keep on talking about the flu. And Covert Nineteen pandemic is clearly the ramifications of. Pandemic and the flu or very different different that a typical flu season. But I wanted to mention all that background because city of certain. Again, a regional partners strong foundation an adjusting concerns of equity and prioritization when it comes to accede distribution in efforts to reduce the spread of infectious disease. So this includes strong partnerships and communication chains within our community again, with our state and regional partners, and so you know as we think about of vaccine development and how covid nineteen back seen. Will be distributed. We have to recognize that we do have an existing infrastructure in place. In which we could. Build, the foundation of a vaccine distribution. So when it comes specifically to go nineteen vaccine on, there are a couple of key points I wanted to mention So Dr Cy said it very eloquently, but just to repeat this vaccine is just one fool at our disposal through the spread of the disease face coverings social distancing frequent testing handwashing. These are all critical when it comes any respiratory illness there is no silver bullet that's gonNA solve our problem. So even when we do have a vaccine available, it is imperative that we utilize all the tools that we have. To Stop the spread of the disease including the vaccine is just one piece of a very large puzzle. And the second point I wanted to make about Kobe nineteen specifically that many of organizations including Center for Disease Control in the National Academies Science Medicine Engineering have discussed priority groups. Again, this is something that doctor. Talked about from the testing perspective that you know who it should be prioritized. For. Receiving. Vaccines. And these priority groups although there's still a lot of discussion, there is a general understanding that the groups we prioritize our healthcare personnel, essential workers in individuals at a higher risk. Of Getting the disease. So in the backseat becomes available, those groups tend to be the ones that are thought of, as we develop these this prioritisation framework but I do WanNa highlighted. It's important to recognize that it's not just a probe prioritization of those groups. It's also about equity that exists within the prioritisation framework. So we can say that backseat vaccine should be should go to healthcare personnel. We're not just talking about physicians and nurses we're talking about nursing assistance, medical assistance, and other support staff. Within Healthcare Facility that make our healthcare system run and a lot of these other support staff onto the demographic categories that have been most impacted by covid nineteen similarly essential workers don't just we're not talking about firefighters police in paramedics. Rematch, we're talking about homeless shelter workers are Grocery Baggers. There's a lot of people who have kept our world running during this crisis and they are Are there essential workers and have should have access to the by the scene as well when it comes this prioritisation framework? Thirdly, again, a doctor I have had hit similar points but him from a testing angle me from the vaccine angle, but it still still follows the importance of of data in helping shape to help shape our efforts moving for winning talk about the vaccine. So since the beginning of the band pandemic, Boston Public Health Commission as well as many institutions in the state have looked at data so bph specifically bph specifically looks at. data on a daily basis with like a tow accounts by race ethnicity, Neighborhood Gender Age, and using that data that we shape our response. The virus at the local level we can can we will continue to use the data to help shape our covid nineteen vaccine strategy so that we can be most effective in stopping the of the disease. And finally and most importantly again, this has been touched upon. Mike McGovern actually touched upon this. With examples of polio vaccine, we can create the most effective vaccine. Ever can be zero side effects. She eliminate all boundaries from scientific cost respected novel that will matter if our community our patients are neighborhoods if we don't trust it if you don't trust us as healthcare providers, scientists. As public health officials in his government officials in healthcare system, it's it's our responsibility to engage the community especially communities of color that you know there is a reason for this distress, their historical events that. Communities of color have experienced that have have. Caused this mistrust in the healthcare system. So again we it is. The onus is on public health officials healthcare system to address this responsibility to really engage the community especially this community who have. been disenfranchise. We have to engage them in all aspects of recovery in response education treatment, vaccine development, and distribution. So it's this engagement talked about this a little bit. It's not just about educating. It's about actually engaging in listening to what their concerns are, how you know understanding really how we can earn their back and provide the resources of individuals. can understand the benefits of vaccination. Thank you. So much. There's actually a question that came in that follows right on what you just said. Jennifer says given people of Color have higher incidents of covid nineteen. How will the government convinced people to get the vaccine? You remember the study which damaged trust of the black community toward public health efforts so you are saying. But can you just paint a little bit more? What is that look like? Yeah. So I think engagement at the local level is key again. Michael McGovern mentioned it and getting you know women who are trusted individuals to administer the vaccine to communicate about the benefits of the vaccine in I'm not talking about. You know. Paying people who don't really believe in I mean we want to have these conversations and say, what are your concerns? Are there facts and data? That your peers have experience and know about and can share with you to getting bids you. I think. I think identifying someone that they trust to communicate or have experienced themselves to communicate. This is really going to be important so that engagement piece has a very much happen at the local level. Totally accents Okay. We only have about fifteen minutes left and we have like fifty questions so. I propose sort of a rapid fire why don't like everybody on mute yourselves I'm GONNA. Thrill out these questions I, imagine, Jennifer. You do most of the public health time. You'll do most of the testing, but anyone can do anything. Okay. Ready here we got our face shields as effective as masks in protecting someone from the virus. No. Okay good really. Fast. But roughly like how much she flex notes code face Massar or effective because they cover the mass completely there's no spread of air so you can imagine a shield there's there's. Respiratory droplets. So if it can spread if you're coughing, you're seizing if you're singing in these respiratory droplets are coming outside from these mass of these facials, rather than as effective as a that adheres to your face. What should be done to protect children playing in youth? Sports. I can answer that as well. So it's it's I mean I think the simple distancing? Practices are just as keyed youth sports. I think masking and you know it is it is more difficult to wear masks when you're engaging in sports or frequent mass breaks when people can maintain six feet of different descents doing it in well ventilated area as important. So I think adhering to some those. Principles and and recognizing that you have to make accommodations giving that it's not all sports. Can can maintain that this effectively. So how do you make adjustments to take into account those public health recommendations? Had Wedding speaking to a parent was was asked cast by his son's hockey league to come into contact tracing platform mental he doesn't need to come up with. Five from the Commonwealth as a very great connect trading platform with partners in housing I. think that's a key message that we don't need to reinvent the wheel trust public health system. There's testing that's you know there's this whole system that's been thought out. So I think that's a key message for all the different sports. Leagues Follow the guidance don't want to reinvent the guidance an answer the phone if there is if you get caught by contact tracing the phone less than twenty, five percent of the contacts are being completed because of individuals aren't aren't providing information than I answering their phones I think that's more important than coming up with your own league specific set of guidelines. When will we have a fast reliable test a home pregnancy test. So the the technology actually here what's been challenging is a FDA regulations and then this goes back to my left fifteen about the issue round demanded payment. So some of these papers trip tests used crisper roller technologies The technology is here, but they're not scalable yet because the FDA still. The EU as a still authorized tests for symptomatic individuals can be done by clinicians in medical labs. Even the crisper certified labs, their paper strips fastened cheap we have to performed in a lab. You can't be in your home doing a little crisper tested on on a paper strip. So Again. So the engine tests are here for. The able to done at home. With with the droplets food for that purpose I think that's a big disconnect as we need to rethink. Our approval process for tests are used for screening versus used for medical diagnostic purpose. Yeah. That totally makes sense what Mike Menopause the crappy tests we could use a lot more crappy as your crappy tests is better than or really good test is takes a week to get results. Here's a good one. Our middle school is returning to hybrid school. At the end of the month we're told we need to check her temperature every day, but it seems there will be no testing at the school colleges are testing their students. Every day shouldn't elementary middle and high schools do the same. I think in the perfect world I mean I. Think That's the trade offs come in in the masters leading the wave of the number of tests are redoing per capita but still has a country where stuck around nine hundred thousand tests per day that number hasn't meaningfully meaningfully moved in the last several months. So I think that's Partly the you know the supply chain issued Ginkel Bio works is about to company based. Massachusetts has a capacity the scale, but they're waiting to on the demand side to see if that if there will be funding for for tests to scale and I think that's that's part of the challenges we need to focus on on the there's been a lot of mixed message about the role of testing. So the supply has increased to to drive up demand either and So I think that's part of the challenge. Now the test alone is not there -peutic rate I think the the White House. Example from last couple of days tell you know is a great example that. So that doesn't mean that the middle students are less safe than the college students because the test is scheduled information, it depends on what you're doing. You know at I'd rather have a middle school that has good masking physical distancing screening up people make sure there's no symptoms during that very, very robustly than a college campus at the tests, but then people are going to parties you know. So I think that's again it's about all the above the testing is one piece of the puzzle but it's not the only piece. But YOU PROJECT We actually should be doing millet. We should be doing millions more tests in the United States per day. Right it's it comes down to values rate. There was seventy five, billion dollars in the stimulus bill You know that's on the hill right now four testing and contact tracing specific. You know we we provide technical assistance to suppress nineteen Kuban nineteen act that was sponsored by a bipartisan by Senator Castle Louisiana. and Republicans senator, which specifically. Brings out this issue to to have federal funding for testing but because. Lots of complex political issues. Things aren't progressing. This is where this is a gut check moment for a country is you know deal we evaluate testing enough for football and basketball and baseball I'm the questions to evaluate enough for US students. Can I just add on that I completely agree with everything Dr. Size says it is. It is gut check I also want to acknowledge that testing for specifically public school youth is. Very, complicated endeavor and I keep on mentioning equity. I mean. So it's not just about saying, okay all students are going to have access to testing. So that's one thing ensuring that. Students with A. Families with different language capabilities understand what testing means what are the implications of testing that the recipient Risk Elise S.'s these tests and so you know we can say that. All English speaking students will have had able to read but if it doesn't, isn't it in a different language, how we gonNA communicate these these families? How are they going to receive the results and then there's the secondary aspect with the child has positive that means their family needs to quarantine If you have. People who do not have resources to Cori- do not have a home to quarantine. Or if they don't want to be tested because that might they're concerned about the healthcare system is that going to be somehow affect them Is there's immigration status or so it's it's such a complex. Question I mean I think Dr size point of saying what is our priority in a saying it is our priority that's step one but I think step two of three four saying okay. Well, how can we make this test that is available and affordable in whatever? And what are the ramifications? How are we can address the ramifications of a positive test equitably as well? I don't WanNa go from big questions of equity to people have so many still lingering questions about what's safe and what's not and what's okay to do. So one is the CDC recently sort of adjusted what had saying about whether particles can kind of linger in airborne way around us. So one person has what's the likelihood of infection if I'm sixty away from an infected person in a large open room would more distance ten feet help would wearing a mask cowboy with the particles just go through the mask what would you recommend to reduce the risk? Or. And it sounds like the sub question is or should we not be inside like? Yeah I. I think it's important not to think about the risk as binary rates either zero, one, hundred percent. It's really a gradient of risk and the fact is we don't have perfect information right like I. Don't know if you're standing next to this person who you know maybe maybe testing who may be positive because they could be asymptomatic or present demonic. So it goes back to my driving analogies that we need to create the conditions for safety That's why we were seatbelts in have have rules of the rodents, stop. Signs, is. I don't know who the drunk driver in the road is right but I trusted if everybody follows the rules of the road that on average Yay, we can make relatively risky at which is driving a two thousand. Pound lump of metal on four wheels as safe as possible and I. think that's what we need to think about the coronavirus as well as how do we minimize the risks know when we can and the you know the the principles are exact same that they've been for the last nine months is you know? Better. Ventilation. Further distance you know whatever we can do to minimize the risk of the any of the airborne transmission. All those things together in create the conditions of for safety. It's nothing is absolute. It's all about UH minimizing risk not making zero. we have just a couple of times for a couple more questions. I want to be get Brooklyn Pacific a little bit here's when the loosening of Kobe restrictions depends on the case rate in towns and cities. A color map currently shows a green meaning lower risk Brooklyn nearly engulfed by red higher. Risk. Boston no offense to infer how is the case rate being determined in Brookline? Now are random a symptomatic people being tested weekly. So where do these case rates come from? what should we take to mean that Brookline is green in Boston dragged? So when a case terms of positive they're lab Brazil is reportable to the Massachusetts electronic lab reporting system. And then that information the address of the person who has tested. Is Determined and each local jurisdiction is notified about the cases in their particular jurisdictions. So Boston public, Health Commission has access to all Boston residents Brookline has access to their resume. So I know there was some questions that if you're diagnosed in a Boston hospital is it's still can't. Count as Brooklyn resident. The answer is, yes. It's based on your your ZIP. Code At time of a lab test and so. I think in the case this person made about. So that's how you get the actual cases you say okay. What's the toll number in any given day? Boston is red and you're right. I mean just per capita. Two cases in Boston per hundred thousand is much different than two cases per hundred thousand in Brookline. So I think the larger picture is that we're focused very much on this map. I mean truth be told there are many factors that we need to look at many metrics. So for instance, in Boston, we look at we look at three we look at the positivity rate we look at this this cases per one, hundred, thousand, we also look at hospitalization utilization as. As well as emergency room militarization because it's part, it's not just about the total number of of cases that are in the mean that's obviously a large part of it but are you know in March April when we were really being hit hundred and twenty-five percent? Were at one, hundred, twenty, five, percent ICU capacity. So mean there was it was not a lion to say that we were concerned about ventilators are concerned about beds and that stress on the healthcare system is is really the impact that we're trying to avoid as much as possible. So there is one metric. There is see of rab surrounding Brooklyn's green, but there's there's a number of other metrics that we need to look collectively. Within our jurisdictions in the region because you know a Brooklyn resident is going to use a Boston hospital. So they need to care about that stuff you need to. We ought to care about that stuff. Will we are out of time even though I'm so sorry to all the people who sent in questions. We had a lot more. It's it's just hard to get them all in I wanNA give my huge thanks to Michael and Tom Jennifer you guys were fantastic. Thank you and let me back to you. Thank you so much carry in a wonderful moderator. 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Pfizers Trial Results, Washingtons Tax Plans, & NYCs Mayoral Nominee Eric Adams

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Pfizers Trial Results, Washingtons Tax Plans, & NYCs Mayoral Nominee Eric Adams

"Out steer means pj navigates market volatility with an active investment approach designed to capture opportunities globally. Join the pursuit of outperformance at p. Jim dot com. That's pg im dot com bringing show musically this is squawk pod. I'm cnbc producer. Cameron kosta today on our podcast. Pfizer out with some good news for kids. Cnbc's meg terrell reports in this clinical trial. It saw that immune responses and kids five to eleven are robust in terms of the antibody levels and comparable to those of people. Sixteen to twenty five. New york city's mayoral nominee. Eric adams sets his priorities for the big apple from classrooms to subways and all the streets in between the pre requisite to prosperity and growth is public safety injustice. We can have both together. My city is going to be safe to be hear those stories plus the estate tax making a comeback and with it some big guests among friends. Cnbc's robert frank. There is one important thing that everyone should do right now before the end of the year to get ahead of whatever happens the estate tax and that is to maximize your gift tax exemptions. It's monday september twentieth. Twenty squawk pod begins right now becky by and three two one. good morning. Welcome to squawk box. Here on nbc. I'm becky quick along with joe. Kernan and andrew ross sorkin and we are watching the markets very closely this morning. Because there's a lot of red a lot of red everywhere and this kind of contagion kicking in as we saw markets off very steeply in asia. The hang sang was off there. And then also that's spreading through to europe other concerns that are out there the debt ceiling in the united states. That's just a couple of weeks away with no real agreement from the two sides on how to move forward and the idea that senator joe manchin is now talking about pushing off a vote for the big spending bill from the administration until next year so a lot of things circling right now. And you're going to see that playing out right now. In the markets it's also getting closer to october. September seventeenth was the date that over the last twenty years. Cramer's been talking about that. That day is when you really saw a turning point and that could be the case. Because that was friday. We've seen a big broad selloff in cryptocurrency currency to It's been pretty closely linked to the markets for awhile and you could see. That's the case. bitcoins off by five. Point six percent. But you've got does coin down by close to eight percent and light coins off by six percent All of these names really under quite a bit of pressure with ripple there to an f. t. Something like composite in teaching. Bitcoin guide as low as forty four six percent at one point or friend. Kevin rudd we have unlocked back in andrew. He is his piece today. Trying to explain what president she is. What is motivation is for. What we've seen is sort of a rotation from sector to sector of reform of that. He thinks it has to do with getting a third term. But he's also kevin rudd saying that president she better think about the long term effects of what he's doing because the getting his you know his own interests are at the expense perhaps of the economy which he wants to do well he wants to make china the richest place and it could be a problem. So i'm not saying that china's gonna call an ever grand today now. I'm not saying it's going to cause a bear market and global markets. Becky and this is all a sudden if it if if there is a bear market i have. I can't believe no one thought about this. Here's here would be a symbol of for the bear market. Oh boy specific type of barrier talking about china. I just think we should sell it as an. Nf t. how come no one thought about the next bear market could be china and he gets very angry and i guess people think he has a sort of a resemblance to that great cartoon character and he's very sensitive about it. We've been we've been had some issues in the past but if we need a bear market symbol. I think that may end up being. What is your t we're looking for. What finally some you pay for that. I like that one. That's a good one but we've been waiting to see what kind of pokes a hole in the bubble. Exactly what what the air out of this. Because we've had worry after worry that wall of worry that the markets climbed maybe. This is the one thing that makes everybody say okay. This is too much and by the way all of those other concerns that we've been ignoring. Maybe we'll pay a little more attention to them. You know that we've got our. I don't know if we import a real break in the market from china because we can exist. We've seen in the past. They're not this week. We have domestically. Were very strong. But we've got our own issues with. I think maybe maybe it's because some of these fed guys are finally getting out of the market. Maybe if they're out of the market they're no longer going to going to support the no. I don't think that's it some breaking news on the vaccine front meg. Terrell joins us with more on this. This is some news that a lot of people have been very eagerly-awaited visor reporting the first results for vaccine for kids ages five to eleven reporting that in this clinical trial it saw that immune responses and kids five to eleven are robust in terms of the antibody levels and comparable to those of people sixteen to twenty five in previous studies. They also said the vaccine appeared to be well tolerated with also sign effects similar to what they that older age group and they plan to file for emergency use authorization in kids ages five to eleven quote as soon as possible now. This was a study that included about Twenty two hundred seventy kids and they tested a does that was one third. The amount that people over the age of twelve get so it's ten micrograms given three weeks apart two doses of that. So that's a third of the adult dose so these are some of the results that parents of younger kids have been waiting for. They do anticipate getting results and even younger children Sometime before the end of the year perhaps in about a month as for right now the first results were seeing in kids down to age five and they look pretty similar to what we've seen in older people. We don't have enough cases for them to report the efficacy but in terms of the immune response looking. Pretty good guys meg. What happens next. i mean we. We know the timeline is maybe three weeks. It will take the fda. What are we still thinking. Halloween is when kids might actually get vaccinated. And and what does that mean just in terms of logistics how these new vials will be rolled out and where yes. There are a few things that have to happen before we get this vaccine out and available the folks i that pfizer has to file with regulators. And so it's preparing to do that. We don't know exactly how long that will take. They had signalled. That could probably happen in early october. And then the question from there is. How long will it take regulators to review this dr scott gottlieb former fda commissioner on the board of pfizer has suggested. It might take four to six weeks. We have seen some reporting from reuters citing. Us officials saying it could be even shorter three weeks and we know that it's very urgent right now for kids because the case numbers we are seeing are higher than ever in terms of the proportion. They're making up in this pandemic about twenty six percent of overall cases in early september. Were from kids that compares to about sixteen percent that we've seen for the entire pandemic hospitalizations also at record so there is an urgent situation here but it will be a few weeks. We had to see pfizer file and then we have to see how long the fda takes to review. It's kind of interesting. The the dosage the way that works we know about baby. Aspirins stuff like that. But i always think that's sort of weight related body size related so this this is kind of interesting if got great immune systems that were envious. Obviously the older you get the kids. Immune system so you get the same response with too much lower dosage. Which if you can do it. It's probably good. I guess whenever you can use less It's probably better. But what did you say. It was make. It was in. This was pfizer because madonna is already higher than the is already higher than five for adults. Right so. I wonder how that how you would dose madonna for kids. Yeah we're gonna have to see that what madonna ends up doing. But they do have for adults three times. The dose they have one hundred micrograms for madonna for adults seems to work better longer. Right madonna there's some yes. There is some emerging data suggesting that. Yeah and it's not clear if it's because there's a higher dose or because spacing between those doses but for kids it's fascinating mean testing one third the dose for kids down to five and one tenth the dose for even younger kids. And you're just seeing these immune responses that are really comparable with what people sixteen to twenty five or getting with that higher dose by the way in terms of timing for other vaccine makers including madeira. In jj for kids. What do you expect in terms of timeline. Yeah we know that they're in these trials. Madonna has not put quite as concrete timelines on things as we've heard from pfizer so we are expecting to see those at some point over the coming months. They're still waiting for the fda to act on their application for down to age twelve because the pfizer vaccine is available. There's not quite as much urgency there to approve another or authorize. Another vaccine for that age group of madonna. We'll be coming behind. Johnson and johnson is also pediatric trials. So these will start rolling out but pfizer once again in the lead with its results. So what if. I wanted to be a good citizen and try to help myself with a booster which which i could in line to get dry i i didn't have five madonna. So what am i supposed to do it. Go get a pfizer. The booster is only authorized for people who got pfizer. most likely. We're going to see how this plays out this week with for whom the fda clears it. 'cause they still need to. That was just an advisory vote on on friday and then wednesday and thursday this week. Cdc's advisers are going to need to actually make those clinical recommendations but right now we've only seen the pfizer booster get evaluated and there aren't data from the us on mixing and matching vaccine and so most likely the recommendations going to be just for pfizer. Folks what the truth is doing so well. I thought maybe i don't need that. You may not need either breakthrough cases. But they don't know if that's because most of the older people in this country adviser because it was approved. I if that data and got it earlier after getting whittled down and weakened for years the estate tax makes a comeback in the latest house plan. Robert frank joins us now with more robert morning. Good morning joe. Fewer than two thousand people actually pay state taxes and twenty twenty only raised about sixteen billion dollars in revenue. That's down fifty percent from a year ago. Nine the main reason is the exemption which is now eleven point seven million dollars per person that means a states worth less than that go untaxed. But it's also because the estate planning industry has found in created massive loopholes. The house now. Aiming to close those house plan would cut the exemption by more than half to six million dollars it also effectively ends. What are called grant her trust. These have become kind of the secret sauce for a state plans. They allow business owners to create a trust that they own and control but a separate from the estate for tax purposes. The house plan would force new trust to be part of the estate now for the investors. The most important change to the estate tax proposed is the so-called discount planning now this allows investors to place a portfolio of stocks or financial assets into a partnership. They can then gift it out. In pieces to family members each piece then gets discounted for tax purposes by up to a third because it is a non controlling stake now. The irs not surprisingly has tried for years to challenge this to house plan would finally ban it now. The tax foundation saying all these changes together would raise an additional sixty five billion dollars over the first four years joe the was listening closely their second to die insurance whole life insurance. That's that's not affected here. That's not something that that's seems like. You're sort of making an investment long-term that just builds up a certain cash balance to help pay for a state taxes. So that's that's not a loophole per se. That's just preparation. Is it not right. But there are changes in this and they're far too complicated to get into but there are changes in house plan to the whole life insurance application to estate planning and remember. This is all sort of in lieu of the president's plan. The president wanted to get rid of the step up in basis and tax gains tax. Appreciate a gains upon death. The house did not include that so because of that and for revenue and sort of progressive politics reasons they had to include something so the president didn't really touch the estate tax. The house then had to beef it up. And that's why you know. The insurance loophole 'grats all these trusts. That had been serve a key. Part of estate planning for years are now sort of under pressure. We'll see where the senate comes out and whether any of this actually happens. You think that the senate parliamentarian that made the decision about the in this case. It had to do with immigration. Do you think that that has democrats. Maybe raised an eyebrow that that she's going to watch some other things that we try to slip in here and they might not pass muster as well or. Do you think that this is the only thing that you would. I don't know i don't know how to handicap at is that. Are you hearing scuttle about that robert. No i mean. That's a question for ilan in our washington folks. But what's interesting about these tax plan. Is the president's plan the house plan there are big differences. They're not just in the corporate tax but in the capital gains treatment the estate tax and on the senate side we haven't heard from the senate so in addition to what joe manchin is sort of rumored to be saying now about putting all this off until next year a lot in the air right now robert for those out there who have constructed trust like the ones you've described to undo them or does this prevent new ones from being created like that asking me for a friend right. Basically can laugh you. That's a question that everybody who even knows what is even you're even talking about bus one hundred percent one hundred percent enter. This is important so you have basically till the end of the year to create these trust after that. It's the new trust that will be affected but there is one important thing that everyone should do right now before the end of the year to get ahead of whatever happens the estate tax and that is to maximize your gift tax exemptions. A right now you can give away up to eleven point seven million dollars to friends and family until the end of the year if this changes so what everyone is telling smart clients is give the maximum give up to eleven point seven million dollars or you're lucky enough to help pay my asking for now. The conversation yes move on all right. I'll do that thank you. I'm going to do that today with that. Listen point seven. i'm doing that. I'm going to call my guy right now. No my all checks right mine. I have a second die. But i'm not going loopholes. I'm doing just totally like normal stuff. You know what i'm saying. That's second is just robert. That's just preparing right. It's not finagling right. Thank you just burst out laughing. Pay originally thought that robert burst out laughing. Because i couldn't. I couldn't see but now i understand what's happening here coming up on squawk pod nyc mayor all nominee. Eric adams on crime business and of course taxes would dysfunctional as a city. We create a crises in those tax dollars being wasted. I say let's make sure we get our house in order to our agencies and then let's talk about how much money we need to run this city. We'll be right back. September twenty nine cnbc's delivering ofer returns with exclusive access to the biggest names in investing register. Now for this virtual event delivering dot com. Use promo code. Cnbc twenty-five and save twenty five percent of registration. This is squash pod today. With joe. Kernan becky quick and injure ross sorkin. Andrew is on the terrace of the nasdaq just a few floors above eight bustling times square new york city democratic mayor nominee. Eric adams is on a mission reset the relationship with business at last week. Salt conference he said quote. New york will no longer be anti-business and outlined a plan to work with wall street to fill job openings for new york city residents and try to reschedule the workforce. Eric adams joins us this morning. Now on the nasdaq. Harrison is great to see you as well call you mr mayor just yet but it appears to be on track to do that. But let's talk about the reset of the city but also the reset with business because over the past couple of years as you know the relationship between business and this city and this the current mayor has been let's say politely challenged. How are you approaching this differently. Well think about this for a moment. We are the only country on the globe that we have dream attached to our name. You don't have a french stream. German dream devon american dream. We're hardwired to start a business and hope from born from the mail room to owning a business. We've lost that along the way and so i. I've been spending the last few years talking to my business. Leaders stated if. I'm fortunate enough to become mayor we're going to. We're going to hit reset and we went to establish that relationship. We've heard a lot during covert about people leaving the city Businesses leaving the city people moving to florida moving to different jurisdictions where the taxes are lower. And the like. How do you bring those people back. You know it was fascinating. Is everyone talks about the number of people who are leaving. But they don't look at the subtext go into the crevices. I actually talked to the people who are leaving from different sectors. Say the same thing every my is not saying i'm paying my taxes but i'm i'm receiving dysfunctional product right. The prerequisite to prosperity and growth is public safety injustice. We can have both together. My city is going to be safe to be here. Let's talk about that safety issue because there has been lots of questions about how you balance these issues of safety and justice and all of these types of things at the same time that you're trying to balance trying to bring business back right and what happened. We often go to one extreme or the other. Either we tell our police officers to fall back. Don't do your job or you go. Heavy handed right no justice. I'm doing reset with businesses. I'm doing reset with my police department. I'm telling them this is a new day. The bad guys are watching. The good guy squabble with each other. I'm about to have the backs of my officers but at the same time i'm telling bills in my department police in is a noble profession if you can't keep up with that nobility you're not going to be my department which is a difference between the leadership in the policing space right now and some of the laws that have changed over the past two and three years that had changed the incentive system and structure of policing a great question great. We have to you know we. We never looked at the ecosystem of public safety in our country. Not only new york. Let's look at that ecosystem. We dropped everything on the police officer. I say no to that. Let's bring in our mental health professionals our crisis management team but at the same time the watch what we do it on the state level and the federal level that first round the bail reform was a killer. We have robbery on the list. We have burglary on the list. We went back and reexamined that that was important to keep making sure. We're not going to the extreme because you can't keep the city safe based on sound. Bikes is based on good sound policies. I got another question for you now. I wanna bring becky in just a moment. I've i've attacks question ao who also represents New york to some degree or more than to some degree. She's an elected official War dress last week. That's attacks the rich. Do you subscribe to that policy. We must do. And i'm a big believer. That you know i think llc. And i believe i. We both want the same things. We just have different pathways to get there. Her mother was a domestic worker or did things in that level. So was my mother but when you talk about just blinking lease and tax the rich in this city. We haven't we may have eight point eight million people but sixty five thousand fifty one percent of our income taxes. And if you say to those sixty five thousand to leave that we're not going to have the firefighter. The teacher all of those basic things. No let's find a way to use tax dollars. We've wasting tax dollars with dysfunctional. As a city we create our crises in those tax dollars being wasted. I say. let's make sure we get our house in order to our agencies and then let's talk about how much money we need to run this city. Ninety eight billion dollar budget. Think about that for a moment and and how much better we hemorrhaging. I say no. Let's do a proper analysis and make the real decision based on what we have in front of us back. He's got a question for you. How will you good. Thanks for being with us today. just back to some of the problems with prime in the city. When i talked to new york city police officers they tell me. Part of the big problem has been the criminal reform laws that were passed by the state That it's really frustrating. That you arrest somebody and they're back out on the streets a day or two later it's demoralizing. Those are things that are done at the state level. What what what can you do to try and work within the bounds of that. It's a combination of things number one. Some of the bail reform laws were wrong. But there's something else happening. A lot of people not recognize it. I would judges not given bail. On cases they actually can give bell's bail on and they also not looking at countries law. This is the law that ally allows the judge to really compel someone to take medication. That's the mental health. Crises was seeing on our public transportation system and in and in the streets and third. I never wanted to reach the day that my police officers are going to state because of what happens in albany. They're not going to protect our public. I've been frustrated as a police officer. On what i witnessed in albany and on the federal level. We're not put on that uniform. The public comes first and we must always have their mindset. Joe miss yeah. Thanks mr mayor nominee. I i'm trying to figure that out too. What about captain. I don't know the anyone call you captain anymore. Anyway mr merrill nominee adams. I want to ask you about how we approach the schools the public schools charter schools. The private school. That i know you've seen it. Progress at that harlem. Children's zone has made and i'm not sure that the last admitted the current administration. I guess i'm already last. I'm trying trying to hurry things up. But i don't think that that the charter schools really felt like they had their day in the sun for wanna how will you approach the whole issue so important. Obviously to our kids in new york city. Well you know think about it for a moment and you when you started out you were on the right road. You started mentioned into different types of schools. I i am not engage in the dialogue between charter. Schools public schools parochial schools. I don't listen to that. I engage in a dialogue of children. Sixty five percent of black and brown children don't meet proficiency in the department of education forty percent don't meet proficiency and charter schools. That both fail in my children. Our school system is dysfunctional. And we have to stop acting like it is not yet sometime. Call a thing the thing. And we have to be honest about the basic essentials. So i'm going to embrace scaling-up excellent i'm gonna look at my charter schools to see some in a good product that they're doing. I'm going to look at my district. Schools like bep academy. We're going to start scaling up. Excellence and not get into this adult dialogue of the name of the type of schools. Who is doing a good job. Educating our children have you don't educate you going to incarcerate that's why eighty percent of the men women at right designing don't have a high school diploma on equivalency diploma air. What do you think in right now about public transportation. And how much and i'm thinking about the mta. Subways getting people to work every day back and forth right out what you can do what the city can do relative to what the state can do. Well you know my relationship in albany so important right now. I'm a former state senator. I you know i chaired. You know various committees in albany. And when you look at it if we don't get people back into the subway system how economies not going to turn around. And why aren't they getting there. You talk to the average employee. They're saying we're afraid we are. We have to deploy police. Better i. I don't know when the last time you've been on the subway. I don't i don't want to see by police officers hanging around and told token booth like they afraid. You've got to get on the train traffic cop. I wrote to train myself without road. Radios at operated. So it's about making sure that system is safe so people can take back in the system and safety's not only actual is perceived. The perception is a fear. Get the homelessness out. Get them the services they deserve. And let's have a safe affordable reliable transportation system and then one of the things. I know you're thinking a lot about is trying to match up people who don't have jobs right now with jobs and also reskilling. What do you think needs to happen in this city. Specifically you know we have a ten point two Unemployment rate a double the national average of nationally. I think ninety percent of the job return here. We only have about forty nine percent of the job. Return a pre kobe. The real problem is those who are seeking. Jobs are not connected to those who are looking for employees. We should have a central central platform. One application for any job seeker. Inner city matched to a central database of all the jobs that are available. Then we can match them up and at the same time we could see where we're having skills issues. We don't have an employment issue in the city. We have a skilled issue and we have to scale up skills. 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The young and the vaccinated

Post Reports

23:10 min | 3 weeks ago

The young and the vaccinated

"Introducing the seven from the washington post every morning seven stories. You need to know in less than three minutes seriously and you can read them or listen. Get it at washington post dot com slash seven. It feels like every day. We're hearing from a drug company on new studies about vaccines today. Johnson and johnson announced that a second. Jj deuce can boost protection against severe covered nineteen yesterday. it was a big announcement from pfizer. The company says it's vaccine is safe and effective for kids from ages. Five to eleven. What was your first reaction when you saw that. Well obviously excitement. Enjoy because the say this till i'm blue in the face the only path out of the pandemic is if we all get the shot. Dr patel has been treating kids with severe cova cases so i was super super super excited but i will tell you my second reaction was. Show me the data from the newsroom of the washington post. This is post reports. i'm emma. It's tuesday september twenty first. Today we're talking all about vaccines while we're waiting to hear from federal agencies about booster shots which could come any day this week. We're going to dig into what to expect and we're going to hear more about where things stand for children. We're going to start there. A second ago you her. Dr anita patel. She's a critical care. Pediatrician at children's national hospital. Here in dc. I would say that my my mental ability to handle this certain new surge of covert is very different from the beginning Because now i see every case of kovin kids as preventable because almost always the kids that were seeing with covert are in families that are unvaccinated. And that's what is mentally difficult to handle is that this could have been prevented. We didn't need to get here. I talked to dr patel about the vaccine timeline for kids. What we know and don't know so far and what it's been like caring for children since the start of the pandemic. Let's remember the great news. Is that most. Kids are surviving. You know the mortality rate in kids has not changed its. It's been between zero point three percent. This whole pandemic yes. We are seeing a surge of pediatric cases. You know they're representing twenty nine percent of all new cases. I mean these are stats that anyone can read on the news. But i i do want to impress upon people that you know we don't believe that this delta variant is specifically attacking children. It's that the children are not vaccinated. Can you tell me a little bit more about like what that looks like on the ground. It sounds like you are seeing a lot more patience than normal. Just tell me a little bit about what that's like what it feels like for you. Yeah yeah i you know. I think it's important to remember that. Yes we are absolutely seeing covert patients and just like the rest of the country are covered. Patients have varying degrees of Illness so some of them we can support with those noninvasive measures and unfortunately we also have kids that are very sick and need to have a breathing tube and be put on a ventilator so you know we really have seen the game at of covert patients. Some of them were lucky enough to avoid a breathing tube in some which are not so. When can we expect kids ages. Five to eleven to be vaccinated. We can expect kids to get the shot as early as halloween. And i'm extrapolating that figure from the visor press release so and i actually think it can happen. So what's going to need to happen in order to achieve that 'cause i know everyone wants to know sort of milepost to know that we're we're on the right track So what we're looking for is visor to submit the data. As i always say. Show me the data submit the data to the fda within the next week in pfizer could meet that first milepost than the fda is gonna work on overtime to very comprehensively review. The data and i do think that we can get that shot in our kids arms as early as halloween obviously as a parent of a young child. I'm i'm eagerly anticipating the shop for my child and you know i do think given these results in this lower ten microgram dose in the five to eleven kids. I think it's very promising that we could see similar results in children six months to five years by the end of the year or early next year. And then the other thing i wanted to ask. Could you just give kind of a a summary and explanation of the briefing and how they did the lower dose. Can you just like give me sort of a quick summary of what they did and what it said absolutely so. They enrolled over two thousand pediatric patients age. Five to eleven. They powered the study for safety. Meaning making sure there's no serious side effects they powered tolerability which means making sure that the non serious side effect profile is also tolerable because it has to be in order for people to actually get it and then they also wanted to evaluate the neutralizing antibody response because again that does translate in our populations that have been vaccinated to protection against Serious infection from you. Know the sars virus that causes kobe. Nineteen so it was powered for all three of those. And i think the most exciting part is that in our children twelve up. They received the the standard thirty microgram does and they visor and really wanted to make sure that we achieved the minimum but effective dose for younger children. And that's why they tested this ten microgram dose which is obviously one third. The does that everyone else got and even without smaller dose on. They achieved all the targets. That i mentioned it was safe. It was tolerable and it produced an excellent neutralizing antibody response which is all very promising. And i think it's important to know that in our younger kids aged six months to five years. They're testing an even smaller dose. It's three micrograms. So they are really making sure that they are giving our kids. The but most effective does to sort of maximize all three of those products. That i mentioned. I i am very careful not to say that we have proven that the shot is efficacious. Because i haven't seen the data none of us have seen the data and also important to remember that the study was not powered meaning. They did not have a sample size. That was created to establish efficacy. So though the is going to keep going and we will get there they are. Seeing that our cases our children are going up by two hundred and forty percents in july two hundred and forty percent. I just think health messaging around. What this means is is is incredibly important. You mentioned earlier about the hospital being kind of overwhelmed. And i understand that children's national was recently at capacity. Can you tell me a little bit about what that was like. And what it felt like to see that like as you're kind of walking around what it looked like you know when we're at capacity that can mean different things at different hospitals and you know despite being at quote unquote capacity. We do not close our doors. And that's the truth but what that does mean and i think it's important particularly for local people to know. Is that that does translate into longer. Wait times in the er because there are more patients presenting and you know from a practical perspective As i said we never close our doors so we make sure that if we do not have sufficient bed spaces in our icu that we make beds and staff it with. You know. Very qualified icu. Nurses and issue attending at a location. That's not in our in our icu. So we that's what it looks like. Yeah i'm thinking you must be exhausted like we had sort of you know a first wave of learning how to deal with this disease and for awhile. It kind of seems like things are getting better. But i mean what is it been like during this phase and seeing kids come in sick just as there is starting to be a little bit of hope but now we have delta and we have so many bags needed people can use. Talk to me about what you've been feeling. I mean i'm going to be honest with you. It has been mostly anger. And you know i know we're talking about vaccine because that is absolutely be most important measure we have to stop this pandemic and prevent the spread of the current virus. But you know we always talk about layered protection right and that layered protection includes the vaccine but also includes masks distancing and improve ventilation in schools. And i think that anger is coming from you know states that are actively working to not implement these life saving measures if they could have implemented that layered protection even our unvaccinated children. Those children who have not been eligible yet could have been largely protected. That's what makes me mad. You know and i will tell you. I was on service a few weeks ago. It was mentally one of the most difficult weeks of being an attending in the icu. That i have ever had because treating preventable. Illnesses is honestly devastating. And what does it mean to you for. Just like the spread of the corona virus to hear that there has been a robust response in kids in this age group. Five to eleven years old to the vaccine. I mean this is our path out of the pan dab. It truly is and i. I know that people say. Oh you can get breakthrough infections. Look if you get a breakthrough infection that looks like the common cold or a breakthrough infraction ason dramatic. That is an example of the vaccine. Doing its job. We're not up in arms when kids get rhinovirus and stay at home and yeah they're sick and it's very awful for the parents. I can speak as a parent. It really is awful but there are dramatic. Public health measures like face masks to prevent that right. We don't do that to prevent the common cold so if everyone is vaccinated and we continue to make sure that their immune responses is good. And i mean i'm talking about the boosters. Then that's our path that of the pandemic that's dr anita patel. She's critical care pediatrician at children's national hospital in washington. Dc after the break will we know about booster shots and when you might be able to get one we'll be right back. Time is precious especially in the morning. The washington post gets that so now you can turn to the seven a better daily briefing. You can read in three minutes or less from your work. Halls to your group chats get caught up on the news. Everyone's talking about find the seven in the washington post app or sign up for the newsletter. Get it at washington post dot com slash seven. This week was supposed to be the week. That booster shots were made widely available for adults. Here's reporter lena. Sun so in mid august the biden administration and health officials made a very big announcement from an approval from the food and drug administration. The cdc's committee of outside experts will be ready to start this booster program. During the week of september twenty which time anyone vaccinated honor before january twenty will be eligible to get a boost to show people who were eight months past their second shot would be eligible to get a booster shot the week of september twentieth and in the view of many experts and in the view of many state health officials including that specific date. Raise the expectation in the mind of the general public of okay. Come monday september twentieth. I should be able to get my booster. And that's not really the case. Because i the fda and the cdc have to make a decision this week the fda and cdc. We'll discuss the next steps for boosters. The fda's advisory committee recommended third pfizer shots for people who are sixty five and older or at high risk. But that's still leaving a lot of people with questions. Mcgregor johnson and johnson boosters are also in the works but they've not yet started on the fda approval process. I think part of the confusion is in the science world. There's a difference between what is a booster. And what is a third shot for people who are immuno-compromised. Several weeks ago the federal government already said it was okay for people who have weak immune systems. You know that those folks were allowed to get a third shot that is not a boost that third shot is opposed to bring their immune systems up to like a normal immune response. That's already been approved for people who are immuno-compromised. And the a can get either a pfizer. Or madonna shot. What they're talking about. Here is a booster for folks who had a good response but because they got their vaccinations. Six months ago. Eight months ago there has been a general waning and the protection of folks over time. And the idea. This is to boost that protection. So we know what's the latest science. I'm boosters like is ever recommended to get a booster or is it going to be triage to certain parts of the population. I think there's general agreement that for the older people. There's some evidence that the vaccines are not protecting as well against infection. But they're still robust in protecting against severe illness hospitalization and death. The biden administration had wanted a booster for basically everybody who is eligible and on friday. The fda's advisory panel said. We're going to keep this more narrow and they said that was because there's not enough evidence of the need or benefit for lots of people abroad population to get a booster shot. I think what you will see in. The coming weeks is applications from madonna. Also for a booster. And i think the confusion has been these. Things are coming out not together but one another so each time. The company makes an application to the fda for a booster shot. The fda has to act on that. They can't say okay. We're just going to weigh in on all boosters across the board and i think that has led to some confusion. So what is the plan for. Booster rollouts at this point especially for frontline workers well so far. No boosters have been ruled out because they haven't been approved yet but on the ground. What you have happening is we're in a fourth wave of infections. Hospitals are overwhelmed. They cannot afford to have their staff be sick. For whatever reason and healthcare workers were among the first groups that got vaccinated so they are six months eight months after their second. Shot and health systems and hospitals are having to decide. While do we wait to give frontline. Workers a booster or do we just go ahead and my sense from talking to folks. Is that in many places. They're just going to go ahead and boost their staff because they just they can't afford for them to be out sick because they won't be able to take care of patients. In some nursing homes residents were vaccinated with pfizer but others were vaccinated with madonna. So that leaves you with a very real world challenge in a nursing home. Let's say half the folks got madonna and the other half got pfizer. You're not going to go in and just boost the people who got pfizer right. The other nursing home residents are just as vulnerable and will be in need of a boost because that population is among the most at risk folks are having to deal with those challenges on the ground in real time. So do we know if it's potentially safe for people to mix and match if they got to madeira shots. Eight months ago could they now potentially get a pfizer booster or does it have to match the original shots of the got. So the cdc has told folks that it is best not to mix and match because right now there are clinical trials going on to try to answer that exact question. What happens if you go. Maderno modern pfizer or pfizer. Pfizer madonna or jj pfizer. And we're expecting to see that data from the nih in a couple of weeks. But for now the cdc has recommended that you do not mix but the reason why. It's a little bit confusing. Is that the cdc and the fda when they said it was okay to give an immuno-compromised person a third shot right either pfizer madonna. They said well. It's preferable in those cases to stay with the vaccine you started with but if you can't find any or there's none available it's okay to get the other one that's under the current cdc guidelines for people who are immuno-compromised dr fao. She was asked this question over the weekend and he said he thought it was unlikely that there would be sort of big problems with mixing and matching. But obviously you don't wanna base vaccine policy on a hunch or what they think might happen there waiting for the data and that is why the current federal recommendation is not to mix and match. I think a lot of this kind of gives me a feeling of deja vu back to win. The vaccine was rolling out and there was all this confusion about when he could get it and what that would look like and how to get it and where to get it. Why is that happening again. But the boosters given that we just kind of went through that whole process for the first time that's a good question but it's also because scientists missy and signs is not black and white and you had the administration sort of setting those expectations for the week of september twentieth if they hadn't said that specific date and they just said the fall. Then i think there wouldn't be such dissonance. And the other thing. Is i think at the time. They made that announcement they were under the impression that moderna and pfizer would be presenting their data to the fda at the same time for boosters and that they would be able to act on them at the same time. But guess what. Madonna didn't get its data to the fda only pfizer did and so they made a decision that you know. They weren't gonna wait right. There were going to move with the data that they had. And i think that's something that people just generally don't understand folks think why can't they just up the vaccines for kids. Or why can't parents just decide. Well i'm going to give my kids the pediatric vaccine. There is a process. Put in place to make sure that vaccines that are rolled out to americans are safe and effective and they are tested. They've gotta make sure that you know if you give this dose. There's not going to be bad side effects. And if there are bad side effects like who is at risk are the risks outweighed by the benefits of getting the vaccine. That was lena sun. She covers health and science for the post. There have now been more than six hundred seventy five thousand covert related. Deaths reported in the us. That's according to data tracked by the post which means more americans have now died from code than during the nineteen eighteen and nineteen nineteen flu pandemic. That's it for post reports. Thanks for listening today. Show was mixed by rennie's for noffke and produced by ariel nick jordan marie smith and alexis de. I'm gonna talk off. We'll be back tomorrow with more stories from the washington post. My washington post journalists are working around the clock and across the world to bring stories to light. 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Children and Covid: Your Questions, Answered

The Daily

30:55 min | Last month

Children and Covid: Your Questions, Answered

"The pandemic has shown. Just how important is to have high quality internet for everyone from students to teachers to job seekers but many people across america don't have access. That's why verizon is committed to closing the digital divide. We are investing to bring tech and connectivity to underserved schools across the country making reliable activity more affordable for low income families and expanding access to rural communities. It's all part of our three billion dollar commitment to help those who need it. The most and closed the digital divide learn more at citizen variety dot com from new york times. I'm michael barr. This is daily. Hello michael ends. Everyone at the daily. My name is colleen marshall. And i'm speaking to you today from baffle ham. Pennsylvania trenton foster. We live in san. Juan puerto rico. Eric khyber from broward county in florida as school. Districts across the country begin to reopen for in-school early amid a surge of infections. I have two little ones ages. Eight and eleven. Who are about to return to school. I have two young kids who are in daycare. one is one year old and one is four years old. three almost four parents are anxious and apprehensive. My mommy anxiety is at an all time high and they have questions. How dangerous is cova. Two young kids. What symptoms should i be looking for my kids. Should i be more or less worried. My children are unvaccinated. But they're under the age of five today. Kevin roose spoke with our calling. Emily anthony about the answers to those questions. Monday august twenty. Hello hello. I like your Your closet yep we're just saying it's a closet slash podcast studio. So i'm i'm familiar. Yours is much better organized than my make. Sure podcast studio which was just like a bunch of shirts constantly hitting me in the face. Well you're only seeing a select portion of the clause. This is the curated closet. Yes this is the presentable part of it. I'm honored emily. Every parents i know has basically one thing on their mind right now which is how to navigate this virus around their kids and the return to school and so the team at the daily started asking around the staff of the new york times looking for the person who was best equipped to answer questions from parents about kobe and the answer kept being. Well thank you. I'm flattered and honored by the vote of confidence from my colleagues. I've been a science journalist for fifteen years now and. Since i came to the times in march i have been covering this pandemic day in and day out and lately that has meant diving into a lot of the research on covert and kits and when the daily asked listeners to send in questions about covert and kids. We got a ton of responses. Something like six hundred people. Send in questions so i have a big ask for you today which is answer all of that. Not just kidding. We've basically organized them into themes and we're going to play a few of them and ask you to answer them as best you can that sound. Okay let's do it. Hi this is alex. Lakeland florida my biggest concern as a parent to young kids. Right now is the fact that they can't get vaccinated. I am wondering why it is taking so long for the vaccine to be approved even on an emergency basis for children under the age of twelve. Are there problems with finding enough people to participate in the study. Are there problems with the kids who've gotten the vaccine. What i'm reading for is just some sort of compass from derna adviser and when we will be able to protect our little ones well. Unfortunately i'm not gonna be able to provide some magic date that everyone can circle on their calendar. But i think. I can provide a little bit of clarity so what's happening now. Is that the clinical trials for children who are between five and eleven are still ongoing. So the reason vaccines haven't been authorized yet is because pfizer and madonna have not yet released the data from the trials or officially applied for authorization to the fda pfizer. Which seems to be in the lead The closest to being ready has previously said that they plan to apply for authorization for five to eleven year olds sometime in september. There is a bit of wrinkle though because recently the fda asked pfizer and madonna to expand their clinical trials for kids. y what. What's the story there. You may have seen some reports that some of the vaccines have been associated with potentially serious side effects and the fda takes that really seriously. The good news is that the side effects are rare. The bad news is that that means that in order to really get a sense of how much risk there is and how likely these side effects are. You need to include more people in your trials so this was a precautionary measure. The fda took so that they could make sure that the trials were big enough to detect any rare adverse events that might pop up. And what would those side effects speed. Also the biggest concern. I think when it comes to kids is something called myocarditis and that's inflammation of the heart muscle and it's been seen a bit in vaccinations for adults. It seems to be most common though in young males so young men in their twenties as well as teen boys and because of that profile. Because it's more common among the younger adults that have been getting it. I think there's some concern that it might also be a side effect that pops up and kids and so i think regulators and companies in. Everyone just really wants to be sure that they have a handle on whether this is a risk or not and all of these trials. They're covering kids of all ages or just certain ages who is actually being studied right now so the trials happen in sort of a step down fashion. So that's why we have data and approval for twelve and upright now so when that data came back good these companies then moved onto five to eleven year olds which is likely to be the next category of children that we have data for and the next category that have authorized vaccines and then the companies will continue moving downward to younger and younger ages of children got it. So maybe for kids between five and eleven. They will have an answer about the vaccine in the next few months. Maybe this fall younger. Children may need to wait longer until that sort of step of studies has been done so it seems pretty safe to say from what you're telling me that it might be months or maybe many months before parents will have peace of mind about vaccinations for their kids. Am i reading that right. Yeah i mean. Unfortunately i think that's the case because the other thing is even once these companies release the data of course. The fda has to review it. I think that's expected to take at least a month. If not more and then of course you have to roll the vaccines out if they're going to be two doses again for kids. There's a period while you wait for the second shot and for immunity to kick in so it is safe to say that we are months away from widespread immunity. Young children. Got it which i think gets us into the next batch of questions. Hi my name. Is john leslie. And i live in rowayton connecticut and my question simply is. How dangerous is this virus to children under twelve years old. How many have gotten it. How many have been hospitalized. And how many have died. Hi my name is cassandra. and i live in minneapolis. I've seen several articles lately about children's hospitals being overrun with patients. But i haven't seen any clarification on whether the surge in kids is due to delta being more severe for them or whether the high numbers and children can be attributed to the fact that the majority of the child population as unvaccinated at this point. And i'm just wondering how concerned we need to be about the delta variant versus the original. Cove ed variant. Thanks so these two questions and a lot of others like them. Basically boil down to. How dangerous is this virus for kids. And how scared should parents be for their kids right now. Well i don't want to tell parents health scared. They should or shouldn't be but one of the very few silver linings of this pandemic and this virus is that it does seem to largely spare children. Most children especially young children have mild or even entirely a symptomatic cases. There was a recent study that showed that most kids recovered on their own in less than a week and symptoms when they do appear very often seem like a cold or a respiratory bug some other kind of common childhood illness. Serious and severe cases in children are rare but they do exist so far about one percent of children who get infected with the virus and up in the hospital and point a one percent end up dying so those are very low numbers. Those are low odds but of course if that one percent or point a one percent includes your kid that's not much consolation so there can be serious severe disease in children so just to be sure i understand of the kids who get the virus. Roughly one out of hundred ends up in the hospital and roughly one out of ten thousand actually dies from it. Yes based on the data that we have that's right and what do we know about the delta variant in all of this is the delta variant worse than other variants the delta variant is clearly more infectious. It is believed to be about twice as contagious as the original version of the virus and so a lot more people are catching it that includes kids and in fact it may be disproportionately affecting kids because no children under twelve vaccinated and this virus and delta is really mostly seeking out unvaccinated. People wrote the question of whether or not it causes. More severe disease is a little bit harder to say. Scientists think it is certainly possible. That delta is causing more severe disease. We just don't quite have the data to back that up yet. I want to move onto the next set of questions. We got which were about long cova or the long term effects of this virus in kids. I'm heidi everson. And i live in a story queens new york. I'm a mom of a four year. Old and long covered is what keeps me up at night. So i'm wondering if there's any data that shows how likely child will develop on cove it if they're infected with covert nineteen. Thanks yeah well so we are getting more and more data on this end. It does seem to follow the same general pattern as acute cova did in the sense that long cove it does seem to be somewhat less likely in children than in adults estimates vary wildly from study to study and some studies define long cove it in different ways but i've seen estimates that range anywhere from two to percent of children still have symptoms at least a few months after recovering from cove it. We don't have a lot of long term data simply because this is a new virus that hasn't been around for a long. I guess the other thing that's worth saying. Is that what we're lumping together. As long cove can be a bunch of very different symptoms and conditions. So one kid with long-coveted might just be a little fatigued for a few extra months on the other hand. You might have a child who's struggling with what we sometimes call brain fog or difficulty concentrating for many months. And so those are quite different manifestations. And there's still a lot to learn about what long cove it is. What it looks like over the long term The pandemic has shown just how important it is to have high quality internet for everyone from students to teachers to job seekers but many people across america don't have access that's why verizon is committed to closing the digital divide. We are investing to bring tech and connectivity to underserved schools across the country making reliable connectivity more affordable for low income families and expanding access to rural communities. It's all part of our three billion dollar commitment to help those who need it. The most and closed the digital divide. Learn more at citizen verizon dot com. Hi i'm bianca gave her. I'm a producer on the daily one of the things. I love about audio is that there's an intimate quality to people's voices that you sometimes can't get in print you can hear people wonder out loud you can hear when they're questioning something you can be there with them. And when we hit the milestone of a million lives loss to corona virus around the world. We made an episode. There was a portrait of the grief. People were feeling to put a human face to the news. We talked to people in kenya in israel in turkey and china. I spent many many hours listening to them. Laugh and cry about the people they had lost. We wouldn't be able to make emotional episodes like this one or any of the daily without your support so if you can please subscribe to the new york times. Thank you so emily. We also got a lot of questions about schools. We got questions about whether schools would open this fall whether they would stay open. What kind of policies schools are putting into place. And i know you're not an education reporter but what does the science of this virus indicate about schools especially this fall. Yeah so i know in some ways. It seems like we're right back where we started and nothing has changed since we were facing these same questions about schools last fall but we actually really are in a very different place and part of that is because we have a whole year's worth of research and knowledge about schooling and the safety of schooling during a pandemic schools can be safe when they take precautions particularly when they take several different precautions so maybe they mandate masking and they have daily symptoms screening and they have regular testing programs or they have some physical distancing or if they upgrade ventilation if schools. Do a couple of these things are layer some of these precautions. They can not only be safe but are often even safer than the surrounding communities. There have been some studies that showed that even when the virus seemed to be raging in an area transmission rates for very low in schools on the flip side of course is delta so the studies we have about school risks. Last year were conducted before this highly contagious variant was spreading across the us. and so. it's not quite clear yet. What the risk of in-school transmission will be now. That delta is the dominant version of the virus right and i think that the peace that's tricky is ideally. We would live in a world where schools were taking all of the you mentioned but there are many schools that are not making masks mandatory or even recommending them that. They're not upgrading ventilation that they're not putting in place the measures that one might hope they would and so in those situations where parents are deciding whether or not to send their kids in person to a school that may not be doing its best to prevent the transmission of cova. Do you have any advice for those parents. Unfortunately i think those are not only tough decisions but really personal ones for families that depend on a lot of factors. So if there's someone who is super high risk or immuno-compromised in your family you might decide that you would rather pursue a remote schooling option for your child. It may depend on the level of transmission in your community. Do you live in a place where the virus is really surging right now. It may depend on how much vaccination coverage there is at your school. There are a lot of factors to take into account and so. I'm not sure there's any one answer that applies to all families and wanna switch gears here to a series of questions. We got about a subset of much much. Younger kids kids who are not yet in school. I'm alan and we're twins from massachusetts. I have a former. And i have a two month old. We were both vaccinated while we were pregnant. And we're both breastfeeding. How protection are infants have from covenant. Teens thinks what do you think. Well i have a cautiously optimistic. But perhaps slightly unsatisfying answer. Which is we do know that women who are vaccinated while they're pregnant. Make antibodies to the virus and they pass those antibodies on to their children through the placenta. We also know that women who are vaccinated. While they're lactating. Make antibodies and that those antibodies turn up in their breast milk and remain elevated for weeks. If not longer so both of those things are really promising pieces of evidence. What we're not quite sure about yet is how much protection those antibodies offer children and how long that protection might last. I know there's been some concern from some women who have had anxiety or fears about whether it's really safe to get vaccinated while they're pregnant or while they're breastfeeding. And the cdc recently formally changed its guidance for pregnant and lactating women and it now officially recommends that they go ahead and get vaccinated and they're likely a couple of different factors that went into that decision one is that we have an increasing amount of research that indicates the vaccines are safe during pregnancy and lactation and two is just as delta spreads and the risk of becoming infected increases. It's important to remember that cova. Nineteen itself poses all sorts of risks to women and children and so vaccinating against it becomes even more important. Okay so now. I want to ask you about this batch of questions we got that i would characterize as being pretty specific. My name is joe. Duncan hi my name is lauren. I live in raleigh north carolina. A sec bowman from lancaster. Oh and i have two little girls. My oldest is four and my youngest is sixteen months considering enrolling our daughter preschool for the first time. She's three spirit cited about it. We have a seventeen month. Old is unvaccinated and my main question is regarding how to assess risk and decisions around her. Because she can't mask she's missed out on many things because of covert but because of the delta variants extra risks that are coming with that. We're just concerned that maybe now's not the right. Time our oldest. She's great with masking. We feel comfortable sending her back to preschool by are starting to second. Guess whether it's safe to send our little one to daycare preschool. She'll be watched by her grandmother grandfather. Who has recently recovered from the in permission. But even though he's received vaccine he actually cannot produce the antibodies sort of leaves us in a limbo not totally understanding the risk factors. And it's just making us less confident in our decision making about moving forward with our life. So we're just worried that by jumping back into school that we might be putting our family. I've risked by doing so clarity on. That would be wonderful. Thank you so much so. Let's acknowledge right up front that no two family situations are the same no to school. Districts are the same. No two situations are the same with respect to making decisions about this virus. But i guess what. I heard in these questions. Aside from you know what do i do about. My specific situation is some version of a question. Like how the heck am. I supposed to even make decisions about my kids right now. Is it possible to look at the data and listen to the experts and make a good decision that you can have a lot of confidence in or our parents just supposed to kind of fumble their way through it. Well the first thing. I want to say is to validate these and all the other parents. Who didn't have their questions. Make it on that. These field like excruciating decisions because they are excruciating decisions and these are often situations in which there is no great solution or answer. So i feel for these parents and i understand the fear and anxiety. I guess the guidance i would provide is that i think the most helpful approach is for families to decide. Together what their top priority is is their top priority to keep their child from getting infected with the virus at all costs or maybe their top priority is to keep their child from bringing the virus home or passing it on to an elderly or immuno-compromised relative or maybe their priority is just to make sure that their kid doesn't fall farther behind in school this year and once you decide what the priority is. The rest of your decisions can follow from there. It's not that the answers then become easy at that point but i think they become a bit easier if you have a framework like that That feels like really helpful. Advice not necessarily giving people a sense of what they should be doing but in giving parents a sense of the process of making a decision because ultimately there's a lot we still don't know but even finding a shred of clarity in the form of a priority could be very helpful absolutely and i think one reason all these decisions are so hard is because they all involve trade-offs and so you are balancing one risk or one unpleasant outcome against another and so i think the best we can do right now is to figure out what matters to us most and to try to follow that on behalf of me and on behalf of the people who send in their questions and probably many more at home listening. Who have some of those same questions. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me endemic has shown. Just how important. It is to have high quality internet for everyone from students to teachers to job seekers but many people across america don't have access. 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Delta Variant Causing Concern in Places With Low Vaccination Rates

Daily Coronavirus Update

08:21 min | 3 months ago

Delta Variant Causing Concern in Places With Low Vaccination Rates

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Two percent of people are fully vaccinated and big events are taking place like a ten day rodeo. Set to start later this month. Giuliano health and science reporter at the wall street journal joins us for how this variant is gaining ground among the unvaccinated. Thanks for joining us julie. Happy to be here. The delta variant of in nineteen is still of concern for many public health officials particularly in states where vaccination rates are low. Obviously a lot of people aren't getting infected in the same rates as before as as the height of the pandemic but a hospital chains hospitals are still worried about surges especially when it comes to the delta variant you wrote a piece looking at wyoming in particular they have a very low vaccination rate and a couple of big events coming up pretty soon so people are a little worried about what could happen so julie help us walk through what. We're seeing so laramie county in wyoming is sort of a perfect illustration of what we're seeing in pockets around the country. You've got an area where you know. They've really struggled with their vaccination rate sort of the wild west and people just aren't signing up anymore to get back there at about thirty two percent vaccination rate. Which really isn't high enough to kind of prevent the spread of things like the delta variant in the community and on top of that you have the fact that they have completely got rid of any of the restrictions around mask-wearing and you know anything that we saw earlier in the pandemic and so people are sort of returning to normal life in the situation which the delta variant is showing up. And you really only can see visibly if you're at the hospital itself on top of that fourth of july weekend and this huge rodeo. That's coming to town kind of has public health officials and doctors. They are concerned about what's to come or we still seeing a younger patients coming in more often with. This is where the bulk of infections is coming from in some ways. Right the reason we're not seeing as many older patients this because Folks on the older end of the spectrum actually do have a much higher vaccination rate in general right and so if you are seeing people come through the doors. You're more likely to see these younger patients. There are pediatric patients. That are showing up in addition to you know i spoke to a woman who's twenty eight years old and she had a very kind of classic case what we're seeing. What the delta variant. Which is that. once she was exposed. It came on very quickly and then sort of spread within her household so that is very different than in the past that there's a much wider range of folks at the hospital. In terms of age you spoke to a number of people at these hospitals in different care centers and. They said that they're fighting. Obviously this on two fronts still people getting sick but then a lot of misinformation. A lot of people are sick of hearing about cova. They don't want to hear about anymore. They don't want to be told to be vaccinated but the misinformation a lot of times what keeping is keeping them from going out and getting those shots ito. Yes we've had time for. You know the virus and to kind of fried and mutate and change in grow but at the same time misinformation has also kinda been changing and growing and spreading and so earlier on. You know people who said they didn't maybe they showed up and they said that they felt like maybe there were tracking devices. That were being inserted into them from the vaccine. Now you're hearing things like we don't even wanna get tested for kobe because we're concerned that the disease is actually being spread for testing. So there's there's new kind of narratives that keep popping up that the doctors and healthcare workers say that they are sort of combating as they try to take care of this population to be clear. We're not seeing numbers. As i mentioned earlier the way we did at the height of the pandemic but our hospital systems out there being overtaxed still. I know they're like a bracing for surges and all but are they being overtaxed right now so far with interesting. When i'm when i'm hearing by and large people saying that they've in one respect actually better now for a situation in which they could become taxed at the same time these really are happening like popping up very particular sort of pockets and so you know if one hospital system becomes overwhelmed. They are more likely to possibly be able to rely and another hospital system. So you're not seeing the kind of really overtax hospital systems quite yet in a widespread manner. Of course you know the reasons that health officials are concerned. Is that if anyone remembers back to. When this disease. I showed up in the united states. It didn't take very long for something that looked sort of like a very small pocket. Or blip to immediately kind of take over the whole united states right and so they're always looking for these signs that something that's doubling every day or you know that kind of thing it doesn't take that long for that to actually become really visible to people in the community and so right now we're waiting to see if the vaccination rates we have been able to get to and the and the social distancing and math wearing that is going on is enough to kind of prevent the kind of thing that we saw earlier on in the penned up like we're talking about wyoming kind of as a as an example of a state with a low vaccination rates and just getting back to normal and kind of the concern that the delta variant poses in places like that cheyenne frontier. Days is a huge rodeo. That's coming to town pretty soon. As we said at the beginning. I starts on july. Twenty third. garth brooks is going to be playing there. It's going to be a huge ten day event so this worries these public health officials. There probably won't be a lot of mask-wearing but this is These big things is what's concerning right. I mean they say that that saying frontiers as a sort of done a lot to try to position themselves. In a way that people understand that they what they really do want is for people to show up and vaccinated and to wear masks that they're not vaccinated but at a certain point the public health officials in the area. Say you know at this point. Last year at frontier days we cancelled it because no one had a choice to get vaccinated but this year people do have a choice and we can't continue to stop the entire economy to protect people who aren't really interested in taking the vaccine or social distancing or wearing masks. Well we'll keep an eye on what happens there around the country as the delta variant is now the dominant strain in the country duly worn out health and science reporter at the wall street journal. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you for having me. I'm oscar ramirez and this has been reopened america. Don't forget the for today's big news stories. You can check me out on the daily podcast every monday through friday so follow us on iheartradio or wherever you get your podcast. A lot of us are looking for ways to start our day feeling more joy in appreciation and while some of us right gratitude lists or do yoga others pour themselves a bowl of their favorite cereal. Honey nut cheerios. Because not only your honey nut cheerios delicious. They can help lower cholesterol as part of a heart healthy diet so maybe the secret to a great mood all day is a little yoga then writing your gratitude list over a bowl of honey nut cheerios. Learn more about a heart. 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We dont even think about race.

Post Reports

22:41 min | 2 months ago

We dont even think about race.

"From the newsroom of the washington post can afternoon this is over nico with the washington post. I ever seen lebron james the washington post reports. I'm martine powers. It's thursday july twenty ninth today. Critical race theory debated we. Don't even not even second thing about race. Plus breakthrough infections traverse city. Michigan is one of several places in the country where white parents are fighting against racial equity education. The problem is we are one human race. These parents say they don't want their kids being taught to be ashamed of their race or their country. We are not to look at each other and what you guys are doing. You are actually performing and controlling these children to actually take a look at the skin color. It's not about the race color. It's not about the culture. It's not about that. The interesting thing to me about traverse city was right before this battle came to that town. They had a undeniably racist incident on snapchat. Where a a group of mostly white students pretended to trade their black classmates into slavery. This happened in april. These kids made a chat thread entitled it. Slave trade hanan nsen is an education reporter with the post. I spoke to a student who has targeted whose name nevada warton and she is sixteen years old and she is biracial. I know how much i was sold for. One hundred dollars and in the end. I was given away for free. Hannah's saw screen shots of messages in this threat. One said quote. All blacks should die another said. Let's start another holocaust as soon as i saw the screen shots. Everything kinda likes sunk in. And i realized how disgusting entire thing was like i. I got really upset about it because those were classmates said i saw in the hallways and here. They are talking discussing things about me and other students. I never thought that like they think that was okay. There was a lot of outrage in the community de county prosecutor's office opening investigation and the school started an investigation. Around sixteen thousand people live in city. It's also more than ninety percent white and now this incident is tied up in the campaign against critical race theory. Crt is decades old academic framework that basically says that racism is systemic in the united states. And now it's become this political catchall for conservatives who don't want racial equity work in schools people like darcy pickering. We don't even not even for second think about race. We never would it. I think that this is opening a can of worms and we are not going to be able to go back. There is a particular can of worms that she's worried about. It's this anti-racism resolution. That was just passed this week by the traverse city area public schools. The same school system attended by the kids who auctioned off their black classmates over snapchat. The resolution calls for reevaluating the curriculum through a quote social equity and diversity lens but the origin story of this resolution goes back to before the mock slave trade and we are going to dig into y white people in this community had been trying to stop this measure and how it's costing students a greater understanding of the world it sort of traces. Its roots all the way back to the killing of george floyd and nationwide protests against his emig racism. That started the school system drivers city thinking about ways to make itself a more welcoming place. Which a lot of school systems have been doing. So i just want to say i mean what it sounds like. They were proposing seems pretty reasonable rate like racial sensitivity for teachers more inclusive reading list for students talk about diversity in about history of racism in america like what. What was the reaction to this proposal. At first pretty muted but as details gradually spilled out people read about it in the local paper the traverse city record eagle. At first there was some really strong support especially from families of color who interviews. Their children had told me what it was like to go to school in an extremely white place. Black students told me about hearing the n. Word casually almost every day. A native american student told me about being asked constantly if she lived in a teepee and then at one point being told she wasn't a real native american if she didn't live in a teepee so from those people drew support but it also started to draw backlash and that backlash has built and built until at a reason board meeting. There were people protesting outside the school. This resolution is negative pessimistic and imposes toxic assumptions on our children and the backlash is from mostly white and conservative parents who i spoke to for this story and they all sort of explained to me how they became concerned. And it does tie in to what's happening. Nationally with republicans and conservatives leading sort of a campaign against critical race theory. What did they say about why. They felt like this was something that they needed to protest. So i spoke to a group of women always women in mid-july and all of these women are have been opposing the schools equity work. The women had carefully looked at the language of the resolution. And what it would do and they feel that the whole thing is laced with critical race theory which based on their research online they understand it to be a way of looking at the world solely through a racial lens and what they believe is that the equity resolution. It might sound nice but what it's going to really do is teach students that all they are is their race and it will teach children that they must be divided that there are black children and white children a native american children and were all divided and our race is going to determine who we are and what we do and they believe it's going to cause more division in the town and the condition of the interview was that Some of the women wanted to be anonymous because they feared harassment or backlash in their town but the overall condition was that if identified them as white. I also had to specify that they felt uncomfortable with that designation because they do not believe that race is or ever should be relevant to in of the women in particular that. I spoke with our laurie white. Who is a forty one year old mother of two who has lived in trevor city her entire life. I've never seen any sort of discrimination. Rather sit here does kind and darcy patron who is sixty seven and who also is white and has had kids and grandkids. The kids graduated from the school system. And she said she identifies as white but with both native american and irish ancestry. Ib first of all the social equity taskforce is biased and prejudiced. yes and is already discriminating. They're not fair they're not transparent and they don't listen to all viewpoints to convert that all voices are hurt. But what did they have to say about this snapshot episode and the fact that it seems like there are reasons that students need to be educated more about race and the fact that families of color are also supporting this will. They say that they think the snapchat incident is an isolated thing and that it is unfair that some people are looking at one incident among kids. Were always going to be kids and try to do edgy. Stuff and saying traverse city is a racist place and these women who are white and grew up in a place that is overwhelmingly white. Said they've never seen any discrimination in traverse city and that they think it's a kind place and the people they know are kind and that everyone is trying to do their best and they think you know that this resolution is what's going to actually cause the real divisions they don't think divisions are happening now in their hometown. Where are we going to end up down the road. We're going to end up down the road and you can call it whatever race. Whatever worldview whatever religion whatever color skin you are. Somebody is going to lose. And they're gonna lose big time. So who else have you been talking to. In addition to these parents. I talked to a lot of kids. I actually tried to talk to the kids of these women. Because what i was most interested in knowing was how the students feel about all of this because those are the people who have the most at stake. And that's another reason i picked. Trevor city is that i noticed a lot of students were speaking up at board meetings and so i was hopeful that i could find children who had thoughts and i wanted to talk to children with all kinds of thoughts but i was told by these women that their children were not willing to speak with me because the children were scared of being labeled racists at school or were not interested in talking with me because they were already feeling shutout at school for having conservative beliefs. So i did talk to a lot of other children though. I talked to children of color. And i talked to white children in families. That are supportive of the equity resolution and that work that the school system is doing. I talked to a native american student. I talked to a black student at two buck students. I talked to several white families as well. So what were some of the perspectives that you heard from these students that you talked to from students of color. I heard a lot about how. There's just been years and years of casual racism and sexism and homophobia and i heard that confirmed by some of the white students to who said they'd noticed it for example kids in math class tossing the n. Word or a stand in for the n. word niagara back and forth to try to be transgressive while not gay. Yeah while not getting in trouble with the teacher. One girl said you know. There's only one girl of color in her grade and a lot of the other kids like to call her lilo like from the movie low and stitch because she the kid with darker skin so a lot of the kids spoke about that and the students of color could directly. Talk about what it had been like to face de the n. Word every day at school like one student. I talked to a. Oh he's heard it like ever since middle school and he said it just. It has on days that he hears it. He has more trouble doing his schoolwork or taking his tests. It's just like a weight and it sits with him and it says with him all the time it was mostly just like just people use as jokes people. Just yeah but i kind of feel like it got a little bit worse than high school again from it was just a lot more people they didn't they didn't think it was serious or something like that. They don't understand how it makes me feel so they just tossed around and don't really care. Of course those students did feel that they wanted their schools to teach more and more accurately about racism and they could directly state the consequences. I also spoke to cameron chick who is eight years old and is white and is going into third grade and you. Where do you guys live. You live close to here are you of your whole life. The first time she learned about racism was last year in second grade. It wasn't fair. And she said learning about that made her really sad but that she wants to learn more and more about it as much as she possibly can because although it made her said it made her want to help and to understand what had gone wrong before. I really know what it feels. Like to have a different skin tone. But i know to a lot of other people that i don't take it would be like very. I wouldn't be happy. If i had a different skin tone and people boy me about it. So she thinks she needs to learn more about it so she can make sure. America doesn't do that again. Which i thought was really interesting because this is someone who has never talked about this issue before her mom was very nice in letting me ask for these questions when her mom had never asked her this stuff before because her mother just wanted to know you know. What does my daughter thank. What is my euro. Think so in untied eight year old was asking for more education which i thought was a very interesting counterpoint. To some of what. The parents concerned about critical race. Theory are arguing. Yeah i'm curious if there were other perspectives. You heard from these kids about what it's like. Four what they are being taught at school to be the center of such intense controversy. Like what did they think about the backlash. The school board meetings the protests. So a lot of them are trying to ignore it. Actually i mean. I think and for one thing they have summer jobs their kids. You know i asked them. Are you going to the board meetings. No are you watching the board meetings. No typically kids in school systems don't tend to watch the board meetings but i will say one thing that struck me was that one of the kids said it feels like all the adults are speaking for us and so i do think even though they're not engaging with this directly some of them really are wishing that they could have more of a voice and that there was less noise from the adults. So what were some of your takeaways from herring kids. Some of my takeaways were that kids of all different ages and races uniformly. Were telling me. They don't think their school is doing an adequate job of teaching american history or teaching about racism and why it's bad and they want to learn more and they see the consequences of failing to teach this stuff every day for the black student. It's facing the n. Word for the native american student who also happens to identify as queer. It's being called a homophobic slur regularly. And she also noticed that you know for example. The way the schoolteachers andrew jackson. They say he was a bad president and then they move directly to. How did he become president. How did that happen and for her. It's deeply personal. Why he was a bad president. You know her family has taught her that history by asking her to read books on her own and so she can't understand why the school system would want to move past that. So i think my main takeaway was that despite everything going on. And and the controversy in the loudness in their town these kids just wanna learn and they think it will help them and they will help their peers and it will help eventually society If kids can learn more and more accurately about racism how do you think that this conversation in traverse city it reflects other conversations that are happening around the country. I think it's the same conversation. And that's one reason why. I knew i wanted to go someplace and right about this. Because the same type of controversy is happening everywhere. In the nation. I cover virginia schools. Normally one of the counties. I cover loudon. County has become basically the poster child for this. It's gotten so vehement there that there was an arrest at a school board meeting. Oh my gosh. What i think is at base of it. You can use the word critical race theory. But what i think at base is people are asking themselves the question. Is this a racist place. And they're talking about where they live and they're talking about the country and what's also happening especially in majority white places that are politically divided is. There are radically different answers. That are emerging to that question. And how you answer. That question is going to be shaped by who you are and the color of your skin and what your experiences are and then how you decide to move forward is what's being fought over most vehemently right now if we're going to do equity work and do work that tries to explain race and racism better to students or if we're not hanan eaten as an education reporter at the post. This story was produced by jordan. Marie smith washington post. Journalists are working around the clock and across the world to bring stories to light. if you'd like to support their work consider a digital subscription you can get a whole year of unlimited access to our original reporting for just one dollar a week. Good this offer at washington post dot com slash subscribe and now when more thing as more cases of the delta ovarian appear across the us. We have watched governments. Try to work out. Ways to address it vaccine mandates or renewed indoor masking requirements but still some vaccinated people are getting anxious over the rate of breakthrough infections. And that's when someone who is vaccinated still tests positive for copay so ben i vaccinated. I have been for a few months. But i am still kind of nervous. That's producer rennie's for noski. She talked to you. Health and science. Reporter ben gory. Now i feel like i keep saying stories about breakthrough infections among vaccinated people and my mom actually called me the other day to warn me and remind me to mask up whenever i'm indoors even if the shop or restaurant doesn't require it so i'm wondering like what's up. Why are we seeing breakthrough infections. Are vaccines working. Are they failing. Please please help. Don't worry about all the breakthrough infections that you're hearing about it. Seems like they're everywhere. But they're not unexpected in these. Don't mean that the vaccines are failing. The vaccines are working. Really well to protect us from severe disease and death. Okay in that case what what's happening. Why are we seeing these breakers. So there's this conception that vaccines are like bugs zappers. And as soon as a microbe or pathogen touches it's zap and then the virus dies but that's not actually how vaccines work instead. You can think of them a little bit more like a bug trap so the bug falls into the trap wriggles around a bit and then the poison inside kills it and that's kind of how vaccines work. The virus might get in our knows. It might take a day for these immune fighters to come but when they do they'll do a really good job at defeating that that virus. What's probably happening. Is that in these cases. People are getting repeatedly tested so in the case of olympic athletes and yankees players. They have to get tested regardless whether or not they show symptoms and what those tests can do is they might pick up some virus in your nose or in your saliva and the vaccines aren't going to be able to stop that. Necessarily you can still have a little bit of virus inside your nasal cavity but that doesn't mean that the vaccines are protecting and if people aren't being frequently tested it's possible that you might have a breakthrough infection and you'd never know. Maybe you have mild symptoms and you just dismiss it as a cold or you can have the corona virus in your nose and you just never notice because the vaccines are making sure that you don't get sick one reason. I don't think people should be so worried. About breakthrough. infections is because hospital data. show that ninety. Seven percent of people were in. The hospital are unvaccinated. Almost all the people who die of kovic right now haven't had the vaccine and so if you're in an area there's high rates of local transmission and you're worried about breakthrough infections. You can wear a mask and you can do some of the precautions that we've been hearing about for a year and a half now. But i would just say there's lots of things to worry about right now. Breakthrough infections in general aren't really one of them and one of the best things we can all do. If we're worried about breakthrough infections. It's really encourage other people in our community to get vaccinated getting your local community. Vaccinated is going to protect you from getting any kind of infection breakthrough. Bengal reno is a health and science reporter for the post. The story was produced by rennie's for not ski. That's it for post reports. Thanks for listening. 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Ransomware Gang REvil Strikes Again Hitting Thousands of Businesses and Demanding $70 Million

The Daily Dive

22:18 min | 3 months ago

Ransomware Gang REvil Strikes Again Hitting Thousands of Businesses and Demanding $70 Million

"Support for this. Podcast comes from cr clear for the annoying measure facing down. In your home you can fight the clean fight with cslr clear battle against calcium build-up. Go toe to toe with toilet scum. Duke it out with disposal rot the entire line of powerful formulas works hard to vanquish dirt. Grime and deposits. All around your home so ko the crud fight the clean fight with cslr clear. Visit sealer brands dot com to learn more. It's wednesday july seven. I'm oscar ramirez in los angeles and this is the daily dive. The russian ransomware gang art evil has struck again this time taking out thousands of businesses in what is called the supply chain attack. The main target was it services company cassia. Which is how the hackers were able to infiltrate other computer systems lily. Hey newman senior writer at wired joins us for how are evil. Did it in the seventy million dollars they want to restore service next the delta cove in nineteen very continues to cause worry among public health officials. Especially in places like wyoming. We're only thirty. Two percent of people are fully vaccinated and big events are taking place like a ten day rodeo. Set to start later this month. Giuliano health science reporter at the wall street journal joins us for how this variant is gaining ground among the unvaccinated finally our body odor can reveal a lot of details about her health and also plays a role in attraction. Single people could actually even smell different than married people in one study of smelly t shirts. Single people's b. O smells stronger than married. Men's -bio with thought being that men in relationships and that have children have lower testosterone and therefore different body out william park senior journalists. That vc future joined us for how smell plays a role in how much we like each other. It's news without the noise. Let's dive in this situation this attack. Involved targeting the software of a specific organization. But it's an organization that their software is used by multiple layers of organizations downstream from that. Running snows lily. Hey newman senior writer at wired. Thanks for joining us lily. Thanks for having me. Wanted to talk about the latest ransomware attack. This happened right before the fourth of july weekend from a familiar group are evil. This russian ransomware gang. They're the ones that did the attack on the j. meat processing plant. I think in that case They got the company to fork over eleven million dollars in this attack. They're demanding seventy million dollars a ton of money and they possibly were able to infect hundreds. Maybe a couple thousand computers in all of this so lily. Tell us a little bit about what we know in this attack. Yeah first of all. That's all exactly right. But i just wanna make the distinction that it's not just a few thousand computers. It's potentially a few thousand organizations with all of their computers in our so that that number is kind of exponential from there and i think the really significant thing in this situation. You know you're talking about this. Group are evil that has in the past hit for example like you were saying j. b. s. You know the global meat supplier but that's an example of a really big deal very impactful disruptive ransomware attack but one on a single entity right. It's it's targeted toward a single organization in this situation this attack. Involved targeting these software of a specific organization. But it's an organization that their software is used by multiple layers of organizations downstream from them. So in fact when you target their software you hit lots of other targets. And it's the sort of chain-reaction and that's a very significant step in ransomware targeting not completely unprecedented but certainly a major and noteworthy edition. So would this main company was. It services company called cassia. Tell us what they do and how the attack unfolded after. They were able to infiltrate them. So cassia make software that. That's there may enroll and then there are these other organizations called managed service providers who actually use that software for their clients so it it's a few different tiers of organizations that are involved but basically those managed service providers are using casillas software to provide it services infrastructure remote management to all sorts of other customers could be anyone offense small and medium-sized businesses but any organization. That doesn't feel like they have the expertise or the bandwidth or the knowledge to run those things themselves. In a lotta ways it can be a good idea from a security perspective to outsource them but in this situation the reo attackers were exploiting a flaw in this type of remote management software made by passaic called visa and they were exploiting that to see the ransomware out and so. I think it's still being investigated. Whether that exploitation occurred sort of in the the high of mind you know of cassia like up at the top or whether it was happening in visa software running at each of the managed service providers but either way the trickle down effect is the same that you end up hitting a lot of customers who are just not expecting it at no idea that this could happen just kind of out of the blue. The supply chain attack like you said and the timing of the attack was interesting too because cassia for their part knew they had already identified this underlying vulnerability they were on patches to fix all that but the are evil gang hit before they were able to implement that the timing is interesting and unfortunate. You know that cassia was already working on the patch and working with researchers who had disclosed vulnerability to them and then as. They're you know scrambling to do that process. There's actually a real world exploitation of the vulnerability mulally. Hey newman senior writer at wired. Thank you very much for joining us. Great to be with you. Okay so i just got to tell you about shopping at home sense. Oh yeah. I need to check. That out is a good. It's better than good. trust me. it's a whole new way to shop. Maybe even life changing seriously. Oh yeah see home. Senses part of the homegoods family. 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That determines your pressure points and recommends the mattresses that are best for your individual sleep needs and it's found only at mattress warehouse. Come try bed match at a mattress warehouse near you. Visit sleep happens dot com for locations and get free next day delivery on. Select purchases peppers dot com was supposed to currently approximately one thousand counties in the united states have vaccination coverage of less than thirty percents. These communities primarily in the southeast and midwest are our most vulnerable joining assigned. Was julie were now health and science reporter at the wall street journal. Thanks for joining us julie. Happy to be here. The delta variant of cove in nineteen is still of concern for many public health officials particularly in states where vaccination rates are low. Obviously a lot of people aren't getting infected in the same rates as before as as the height of the pandemic but Hospital chains hospitals are still worried about surges especially when it comes to the delta variant. You wrote a piece looking at wyoming in particular they have a very low vaccination rate and a couple of big events coming up pretty soon so people are a little worried about what could happen. So julie help us walk. Through what we're seeing so laremy county in wyoming is sort of a perfect illustration of what we're seeing in pockets around the country. You've got an area where you know. They've really struggled with their vaccination rate sort of the wild west and people just aren't signing up anymore to get back there at about thirty two percent vaccination rate. Which really isn't high enough to kind of prevent the spread of things like the delta variant in the community and on top of that you have the fact that they have completely got rid of any of the restrictions around mask-wearing and you know anything that we saw earlier in the pandemic and so people are sort of returning to normal life in the situation in which the delta variant is showing up. And you really only can see visibly if you're at the hospital itself on top of that fourth of july weekend and this huge rodeo. That's coming to town kind of has public health officials and doctors. They're concerned about what's to come or we still seeing a younger patients coming in more often with this is where the bulk of infections is coming from in some ways right the reason. We're not seeing as many older patients this because Folks on the older end of the spectrum actually do have a much higher vaccination rate in general right and so if you are seeing people come through the doors. You're more likely to see these younger patients. There are pediatric patients. That are showing up. In addition to you know i spoke to a woman who's twenty eight years old and she had a very kind of classic case of what we're seeing what the delta variant which is that once she was exposed to came on very quickly and then sort of spread within her household so that is very different than in the past that. There's a much wider range of folks at the hospital. In terms of age you spoke to a number of people at these hospitals in different care centers and. They said that they're fighting. Obviously this on two fronts still people getting sick but then a lot of misinformation. A lot of people are sick of hearing about cova. They don't want to hear about anymore. They don't want to be told to be vaccinated but the misinformation a lot of times what keeping is keeping them from going out and getting those shots ito. Yes we've had time for. You know the virus and to kind of spread and mutate and change in grow but at the same time misinformation has also been changing and growing and spreading and so earlier on. You know people who said they didn't maybe they showed up and they said that they felt like maybe there were tracking devices that were being inserted into saddam from the vaccine. Now you're hearing things like we don't even wanna get tested for kobe because we're concerned that the disease is actually being spread for testing. So there's there's new kind of narratives that keep popping up that the doctors and healthcare workers say that they are are sort of combating as they try to take care of this population to be clear. We're not seeing numbers. As i mentioned earlier the way we did at the height of the pandemic but our hospital systems out there being overtaxed still. I know they're like a bracing for surges and all but are they being tax right now so far. You know what's interesting when i'm when i'm hearing by and large people saying that they've in one respect actually prepared better now for a situation in which they could become taxed at the same time. These really are happening like popping up in very particular sort of pockets and so you know if one hospital system becomes overwhelmed. They are more likely to possibly be able to rely on another hospital system. So you're not seeing the kind of really overtax hospital systems quite yet in a widespread manner. Of course you know the reasons that health officials are concerned. Is that if anyone remembers back to. When this disease. I showed up in the united states. It didn't take very long for something that looked sort of like a very small pocket. Or blip to immediately kind of take over the whole united states right and so they're always looking for these signs that something that's doubling every day or you know that kind of thing it doesn't take that long for that to actually become really visible to people in the community and so right now we're waiting to see if the vaccination rates we have been able to get to and the and the social distancing and math wearing that is going on is enough to kind of prevent the kind of thing that we saw earlier on in the pandemic cheyenne frontier. Days is a huge rodeo. That's coming to town pretty soon. As we said at the beginning. I starts on july. Twenty third. garth brooks is going to be playing there. It's going to be a huge ten day event so this worries these public health officials. There probably won't be a lot of mask-wearing but this is These big things is what's concerning. That's right i mean. They say that that saying frontier days a sort of done a lot to try to position themselves in a way that people understand that they what they really do want is for people to show up and be vaccinated and to wear masks that they're not vaccinated but at a certain point. The public health officials in the area say you know at this point. Last year at frontier days we cancelled it because no one had a choice to get vaccinated but this year people do have a choice and we can't continue to stop the entire economy to protect people who aren't really interested in taking the scene or social distancing or wearing masks worn out health and science reporter at the wall street journal. Thank you very much for joining us. thank you for. Having me was supposed to let per thought to stay components. Those are genetically related so we cannot change them during the course of alive and a variety compounds. They are related to nutrition. Dow also related to fitness funds and very variety components for instance related to our emotion joining us. Now is william park senior journalist at bbc future. Thanks for joining us. William to join the. There's a new series co produced by bbc. Future and bbc real. It's called laws of attraction and it explores the roles that our senses play and how much we like each other a couple of interesting things that you guys have been working on their william one of them is about smells and people sense and why certain people you know. Single people might smell different than people that are married are already coupled up. So whether i'm start us off tell us how smells what kind of role it plays. In our relationships smoke plays really interesting. Ronin loss of aspects of our relationships by the romantic and just generally our social relationships. We give off a lot of information about ourselves in our. You know we talking about smell and talking about our body right so the natural smell that week. Jesus and just from biological functions of applebee's these therapies. they sort of most subtle kind of sends. The sometimes people kind of trippy to romantic attraction. Immedi exists in humans. I need some very specific. Examples of human apartment. Just took him out but the idea. We reveal a lot of information by ourselves napoli. I'd say we will genetic information. We reveal information by updates our health our wellbeing our emotional state and all this might have in our evolutionary history being important for forming. Social bonds booming. Romantic relationships is a web guessing information. About what someone else is taking to mind was like so very sort of basic level. You mentioned the fact that single people and people in relationships smells differently. That was based on a ticket study by a research based in australia map news and he looks at the body of single married men. He teach us that had been wound by these men to have sex women. Nas them to write them and just like on a very basic level. The married men's t shirts didn't smell as strongly as the single benz t shirts. I thought that that might be with might be a couple of things at play there. So maybe it's the is more potent for a single man to communicate his fitness at his health and his well being so the body ida which contains information would be stronger might also be the case that as men get older. There's a number of other things that kind of factor into that testosterone levels decrease with age Levels and that's one of the biggest kind of factors in the senate that we create was many creates and so maybe the married man. What just a bit older. And they actually may be the presence of kids in that lives. If that married they have kids might sort of change the way that say it might just be something to do with the sample but it might just be an interesting way that we can communicate al-qaeda's to other people so you say you have to the strength of bi but there's also actually and it sounds a bit which say this the pleasantness that i'm actually eat. Will they be no. Bi smells really pleasant. Many people's does smell a bit more pleasant than others and that might be because there are things in people's genetic information about fitness that we have sort of weirdly attracted to those kinds of premise of the onset. Just taking a look at what's up and then yeah really sort of getting into wide information might be full romantic relationships. And there's a number of these studies a lot of them. Oddly enough have to do with women smelling men's t shirts after they've won them and the one that you were talking about kind of. There's another study that basically looks at something called human leukocyte antigen and these patterns of smells and people. Are you know when the pair somebody up with somebody. That smells different to them. They say that and a different body odor immune profile. They say that their kids could have a better resistance to pathogens all sorts of interesting things like that exactly. So the human leukocyte antigen hate. July is kinda group of Immune system as he said he's kind of eased as a bit of a shortcut for looking at what's in our immune system. What do i have protection against that. Someone else might or might not have protection against a sort of used by scientists Processing that kind of information what what was being found and we didn't really understand the exact mechanisms that drive this but it seems to be the case that people who have dissimilar hastily profiles the ideas that i might be attracted to someone whose immune system protects them against the. I'm not protected against and about has advantages for your offspring because then you kind of combining tease protection covered as diverse number of pathogens diseases. And so then in theory your children would be kind of have a more complete. Immune system will complete comforts. Get so the seemed to be linked between the smell that we produce whether we find it so the ultimately attractive and then say how is representative of the diversity in genetics between you a potential. Not yet i mean. He's a really interesting thing. You mentioned thought that these teachers studies have sort of sprung a whole kind of trend for teach us lead dating. and things. like that. And you can even get kind of mail-order -bio in dating sites that will those iceland that body and one of the research Team as she says that she has this kind of freeze up filled with olds. Manatee shots from people in previous these. You can walk and it doesn't smell of anything is zero degrees in that. By if it ever thought it would be the worst smelling. Remain the university this Bunch of kind of research is specialize in Will use this kind of t-shirt methodology. Say well i'm getting wet. T- juts william park senior journalist at bbc future. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you that's it for today. Join us on social media. Daily pod twitter and instagram comment give us a rating and tell us stories that you're interested in iheartradio or subscribe wherever you get your podcast this episode of the daily divers produced by right and engineered by tony soaring. Tina i'm oscar ramirez and this was your daily dive with mail. Chimp you get more than a url you get an all in one marketing platform to help drive sales with things. Like data driven recommendations and powerful automation tools get started today at mail chimp dot com slash smart marketing mail chimp built for growing businesses.

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Friday, August 20, 2021

Up First

12:58 min | 2 months ago

Friday, August 20, 2021

"On on their independence day. Afghans waived their national flag. It wasn't what the taliban wanted to see. They have their own flag. How much resistance could there be the armed group. Resuming its rule. I'm steve inskeep they martinez and this is up. I from npr news. Texas stalemate ends after thirty eight days is family. Back to the business of the people of texas democrats returned to the state capital giving republicans the quorum. They need to pass voting laws. What do the delay change and medical workers feel the strain as koga cases surge in alabama. The state is now out of icu. Bet it blows that we have gotten to this point and this may not be the worst of it. Stay with us. We'll give you the news. You need to start your day. This message is brought to you by. Npr sponsor talk space feeling overwhelmed. Talk space online therapy matches you with a licensed therapist to help you start feeling better with a single message. Get one hundred dollars off your first month at talks base dot com code up i having claimed control of afghanistan. It falls to the taliban to govern amid signs of resistance to their rule. Yeah yesterday was afghanistan's independence day and people marched under the colors of the afghan flag at his black red and green and it is not the white taliban flag taliban fighters violently broke up some demonstrations and that is where we begin our coverage with npr international affairs correspondent. Jackie northam jackie. how widespread are these protests. Well there have been protests in several cities in the eastern part of afghanistan. This week And yesterday hundreds of afghans turned out to demonstrate in kabul capital city to mark independence day. You know it wasn't a huge rally but it's really dangerous. For the afghans who took part armed taliban militants used force to break up the protests earlier this week and there were reports of deaths and injuries. But you know there's also an attempt to form an armed resistance to the taliban particularly in the north of the country There are warlords and rebel. Leaders are trying to assemble a militia but that effort you know it's it's really and it's early days in. It's unclear if they can pull together a cohesive fighting forced to take on the taliban zaki. How are things at the airport right. Now well the. Us says it has evacuated about seven thousand people since saturday You know americans. And afghans who worked with the us government and military and that thousands more or cleared to leave and other countries are also getting their citizens out but you know that seven thousand is just a fraction of the number of people trying to get out there have been huge bureaucratic delays and the state department is bringing in more staff now consular officers to help more quickly process paperwork for those trying to get out of the country but it is still a very dangerous situation at the airport. You have thousands of afghans. Just pushing the get into the airport and the taliban are trying to control the crowds. And there's you know. Social media is full of images of militants armed militants like pushing and beating and whipping afghans There are more than five thousand. Us troops at the airport as well but it will crowd. Control is really difficult with that. Many people trying to get to the end of the airport and get out and you know there's been sporadic gunfire so it's it's a really dicey situation out. There still keep hearing about a terror threat. The biden administration is keeping its eye on. What's going on with that well. This is a group called isis k. And is connected to the islamic state in iraq and syria. It's small but it's believed to have launched attacks in afghanistan in the past and here's what president binds national security advisor. Jake sullivan told nbc. What are the contingencies. We are very focused. On laser focused on is the potential for a terrorist attack by a group like isis k. Which of course is a sworn enemy of the taliban so we will keep working to minimize the risks and maximise the number of people on planes. He no in sullivan insisted that they will get every american. Who wants to leave afghanistan out of the country. He called the entire evacuation process risky operation. But there are still questions over whether the us was really prepared for this. The wall street journal says an internal state department cable warned that kabul could quickly fall after. Us troops pulled out and that cable was sent back in mid july president. Biden is getting another briefing this morning on what's happening afghanistan and he's going to deliver public address this afternoon. It'll be a second down speech this week. Npr international affairs correspondent. Jackie northam jackie. Thanks a lot. thanks so much. One about longest legislative standoffs in texas history is over dozens of democrats. Fled the state this summer. They denied republicans a quorum and prevented them from passing new voting restrictions which ordinarily the republicans would have plenty of votes to do. The democrats were gone for thirty eight days. Most are still out but three return to the state house on thursday which gave republicans enough people on hand to resume work on a bill that will change voting rules paul weber. The associated press is covering all this. He joins us from austin. Paul why did these democrats come back to texas. Yeah well when this protest by democrats started. I think even few of them might have predicted. It was going to go on for this long. This was a big group. We're talking more than fifty democrats who scream at a texas to camp out in washington and at that time there were two objectives. The i was to round the clock on what amounted to republicans. Second attempt at passing voting laws in texas and the second was to put pressure on congress to pass voting rights protections at the federal level by the first week of august democrats succeeded in scuttling this bill for a second time in texas but then we start to see some cracks among democrats about what to do next. Some of them started to wonder what the end game was. How long does hold that was going to go on for. And then as we saw yesterday it basically boil down to the fact that it became no longer possible to keep all of these fifty plus democrats on the same page. We also the pictures of unity when the first democrats left texas. What's been the reaction from the ones that are still holding out. Yeah so the vast majority of democrats they still haven't come back to the state capital even though they're no longer in washington certainly there's frustration and disappointment those democrats. They wanted to keep digging in their heels. And that's for a few reasons. One obviously is that this voting bill by republicans. It hasn't gone anywhere. So as long as republicans have a corm the legislature. This bill is going to pass. Democrats know that but a lot of democrats they also saw little incentive to come back particularly right now here in texas governor. Abbott isn't are a lot of pressure and criticism over these worsening in nineteen numbers. His own health department is sounding the alarm about the school. Districts are defying his orders and imposing mass mandates in the classroom so there are democrats who want to keep up pressure and give the governor republicans an opportunity. Shift the conversation back to this election. Bill or what's happening inside the state capitol and republicans. Now have that corum so what happens next well by all accounts. They're going to move pretty fast and given the time line they have to so already. Republicans have scheduled another hearing on this election. Bill on saturday so the expectation that the legislation will sail through committee by this weekend and daca pill put the bill up for a vote in the house as earliest next week and aunts. The governor's desk not too long after that. Republicans have to get. The bill passed by liberty weekend or they'll be forced to start over again. Paul really quick remind us what kind of changes are in this new voting law. Yes two of the changes. Texas was under the law would be a ban on twenty four hour polling locations and drive thru voting and that really seems to take aim at the houston area where local democrats put both of those expanded voting opposite place during the election. You know houston is crucial to the future texas politics so democrats really see that as an effort to limit the options for their voters around houston many of whom are people of color and the bill also give partisan poll-watchers more access and democrats are worried that could invite voter intimidation associated press correspondent. Paul weber in austin paul. Thanks thank you. Medical workers in alabama. Say they're nearing the breaking point. They say the state no longer has enough. Icu beds to care for all the covert patients. There alabama has some of the lower vaccination rates in this country and doctors say they are exhausted by a crisis. That was preventable. Dr cynthia crowder hicks works at infirmary health. Which is a hospital system in. Mobile it blows. We have gotten to this point. Nobody feels that. They're giving optimal chair. We are over and we are frustrated health and science reporter mary. Scott hodges of member station w. b. h. m. in birmingham has been covering this scott to what's happening at the hospitals in alabama right now so the number of hospitalizations here is nearing the winter peak. So we're almost past our highest point ever right now. The major problem is the lack of intensive care. Beds i talked with dr don williamson about this. He leads the state's hospital association and he says hospitals are rushing to turn other units like emergency rooms into icu. Beds but one of the issues is just how fast the cases are increasing in the past. They had more time to do this. This peak is occurred much much more rapidly and so as a result we're still in that conversion process now. He says that they'll get there. You know there's enough space but staffing is the real problem. Alabama has had a nursing shortage for a while. and it's only gotten worse during the pandemic how or hospital stop holding up through this well. This week i reached out to doctors across the state and hudson. Me voice memos. And you know they're really tired. They're working weeks straight with no brakes and they're describing the situation in the hospitals. That's just dire one doctor. I talked with dr. cynthia. Crowder hicks who we heard from at the top. She's a pulmonologist at infirmary health. Which is the hospital system in mobile and mobile is really one of the hardest hit regions of the state. And she says this time around. She seeing younger patients get really sick and tired him. A forty seven year old steine my day to day. It's too you know. She and other doctors are frustrated because most of their patients are unvaccinated. And they say that. This didn't really have to happen if more patients had gotten a kovic shot again. Less than half of alabama's population has gotten their first dose and doctors say some of their patients regret not getting kovic shot but there are others who still believe misinformation about the vaccine and don't want to get it. How worried are alabama health officials that this is going to get worse. Yeah officials say that. They likely haven't seen the worst of it yet. The state is still recording thousands of new cases every day which will likely result in more hospitalizations State health officials are asking for federal aid to help staff hospitals alabama's governor and other political leaders remain opposed to mask mandates. Their message is get vaccinated. Scott hodgin from member station. Wb h. m. in birmingham alabama. Thank you very much thank you. And that's a first for friday august twentieth martinez. And i'm steve inskeep up. I is produced by mark. Rivers our editors or scott salloway jan johnson and our social strategist is casey new knicks. Remember up. 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NYT Admits To Reporting Shocking Misinformation, Something Seems Strange About Southwest Cancellations Story, & Military Training Results In Lockdown of Unaware School (DNB)

The Propaganda Report

39:54 min | 3 d ago

NYT Admits To Reporting Shocking Misinformation, Something Seems Strange About Southwest Cancellations Story, & Military Training Results In Lockdown of Unaware School (DNB)

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I started see in fact checks pop up in the news from snow put a fact in from everywhere and then i started seeing stories about how the southwest mast mass flight cancellation has turned into a vast right wing conspiracy theory of course because that's how things always work like this and the progressive media is saying that there's just no evidence whatsoever that the pilots and other employees at southwest airline are doing what is called a sick out and that's where the trick is here is how one publication put it this gizmodo. They said this weekend. Over two thousand reported southwest airline cancellations brought untold thousands of passengers to their knees. The airline has the boring reason which is weather. Conservatives have a more thrilling one a working class rebellion against president. Joe biden's vaccination tyranny so that they're mocking that perspective on it and the fact checks all declare that there is no way no evidence that suggests that vaccine mandates have anything to do with the reason why pilots are not coming but the trick is they say sick out so they always fat check. There is no sickout happening and there was actually a pilot who went on tucker carlson and i don't often cite tucker carlson and i don't know the background of this pilot. Or if he's an operative he probably is but he went on there and he said that there is no sick out. There is no sick out because we can't legally do a sick also. I am in no way saying people should not show up because of the and stuff he was being sarcastic he was clearly saying that it is related to vaccines whether or not that's true. I don't know. But this gets to what i mentioned yesterday. In that people are going to start saying the opposite of what they really mean and that is going to be the subject of censorship. Eventually because this guy was clearly making the point to say i could never tell people not to do a sick out because it's illegal with the unions and you mentioned that yesterday i have a few things to say about that story that you've just brought first of all. I cannot believe that that was the angle that you pulled out of the southwest airlines thing that the mainstream is talking about the conspiracy theory. Because by coincidence the first story i had was my amazement and checking twitter. This morning that there was a reuters fact checking article saying this is. This was the thing on twitter. One of those like banners on twitter. That isn't even a tweet. It said there is no evidence that cargo supply chain issues have been orchestrated by the. Us government despite claims made online. Wow give you anything to click either. Do they hang super annoying. But i didn't even think about it. I wrote i. I literally wrote. This is my note there. Before i saw you had that your story was that it was a conspiracy theory. I said crazy. They are fact checking online rumors that the government orchestrated the shipping lines. Okay so i started thinking about it and yeah first of all the fact that we both brought a story. Where the salient point was the mainstream like across the board is highlighting conspiracy theories that that there's gonna be that's there's gonna be another shoe drop in on that for sure. I wanted to talk about the shipping lanes thing. And i also need to talk about the southwest airlines issue and the shipping lanes. So they so they have been talking about supply chain interruptions and those shipping lanes in it being vaguely cove related but a whole bunch of other things and another perfect storm like every power outage. That happened try another perfect storm and and they've been talking about that for a while but someone just sent me at message from the uk saying. Oh yeah we have all these supply chain issues. They say it's brexit. But i'm not sure. And it's if it's brexit that can't be what's happening in los angeles right. They're not even pretending that. That's what's happening los angeles so i started to think these supply chain issues obviously have been set up for a long time. It's obviously part of the plan it because they're trying to level us down to try to give us. Ussr style empty shelves long lines. Are they trying to d- just realize us kind of like the way they did to cuba. Are they trying to make the. Us not a cool place till a great rich number one place and move that over to china while we have to take the back seat or regional hegemony and a second class atmosphere. I don't know it could be. It could be that all of it is because they anticipated a lot of labor shortages because of the vaccine mandates because they've been talking about labor shortages for a long time but labor shortages. Make absolutely no sense. There were labor shortages in february twenty twenty one economy was going full bore but now the so much has changed has been so much disruption. There should not be labor shortages and just to kind of put some numbers behind my theory about the shipping lanes. I looked up the statistics. Four put in the los angeles port for the last twenty years and yes this year over last year. An increase of twenty seven percent but last year of the year before was a decrease of something like nine percent which means that there was x. Capacity being used to years ago an x. Capacity being anticipated now so could they have risen to that challenge of having what would have averaged out to be twelve percent increase over the two each year over two year period. Well i looked back and saw that in the beginning of that timeframe from two thousand to two thousand four. I think it was. They had every single year had increases larger than that they had thirteen percent increase. Eighteen percent increase. I think at some point they even had. I had a nineteen percent increase. Twenty four percent increase so they have. I don't remember that being a big tragedy or anything. I i don't believe this. I think that it's the supply. Chain issues are for other purposes as i just outlined and i did want to talk more about the south airlines thing. The supply chain shortages. Make me think of that. Netflix show which is being promoted everywhere right now and it's being promoted on political websites called squid game. I don't know if you've seen it but it's one of those shows it's in a foreign language that you have to read the subtitles. Well you don't you neither subtitles or you can hear the bad dubbed over english. I hate watching those. I see so much propaganda. About the show that i washed few episodes. And it's basically this dystopia where these citizens are held underground in this facility and they are challenged to a series of games that pit them against each other and then the losers are all murdered and killed and the idea is that it is a fair equal you utopia where everybody has an equal chance and the winners get all the money. Basically every time somebody dies more money goes into the pot but one of the episodes. They intentionally created a food shortage within the compound. They were all in just to get all the people start killing each other. Wow i wouldn't put it past big t- them because they do that stuff and they put it on netflix. I just doing the show every day. They're talking about food shortages. I'm not sure if they're trying to get us afraid or if they are trying to get us prepared. I really don't know but the southwest airlines thing and the thing in jacksonville. Those are both sick house. That did not have the cooperation of the unions. The unions seem to be covering it up. There's a media blackout on it but everybody seems to know about it for me and like yesterday brought. Hey alex berenson. I was kind of like Seemed like control opposition but here he is bringing this unknown story. Maybe he's i dunno man. I'm i'm something occurred to me. It's a little weird so today's headline was governor abbot band private companies from mandating. The vaccine so i was okay with texas. Because they had said that state entities would not mandate the vaccine. Florida went a step further. I understand the laws correctly and said the private entities can. I objected to that. Because i said we are one election away from that being turned on. Its head the net. If that if it's in the governor's purview. Whether or not private companies should be able to mandate the vaccine. The next guy is going to say that they must maybe not. But you just don't want to act like those guys. Have that kind of power. So i read on and at the same time i was formulating this theory about well. A question emerged in my mind. That the sickout are happening in texas. With southwest and american and florida with the adc guys. But those are the two states and the only two states that i know about. Have these kind of governor versus federal government battle about the mandates not in my state and then having counteracting loss. Now i would say all you have to do is tell those companies that you're going to protect them against the feds coming in to enforce it and then they can just deny it or maybe the attorney general texas could sue the feds for an injunction on that to see where it comes out because osha hasn't even passed the rule yet. They're doing this preemptively. Which is not necessary. So i just wonder what's going on here because without any fanfare at all. United airlines which i believe is based in newark or denver. I can't remember but not in texas or florida passed a mandate. I know a stewardess who had to get it. Even though she had recently had covert and they knew would make her really sick but it was that or lose her job. So united already put the mandate down and there was no sickout or anything. I think there's something going on here. And i don't know if it's to bring it to a head so that the good guys can lose or or what but i feel like there's something afoot yet there's something else that's gonna come with the story. I agree and i'm starting to wonder about the medical exemptions to we don't hear as much about medical exemptions they're trying to get rid of religious exemptions basically i'm wondering if they're gonna try and get rid of medical exemptions then just force people who have had bad reactions in the past to take it. Oh yeah it's hard to get a medical exemption in some places. And i don't even know how private enterprise would have to deal with that but i think they can get around it. They just fire you but with abbott going in there doing this. It may actually neutralize what would have been the natural consequences to south west of losing their pilots so if that kind of grassroots action caught on that would be a problem but if they make a battle among the authorities again disempowers at least in the mind of the employees say half. The pilots said that. I can do it. But maybe it's going to be something that mucks it up like the way. Trump mucked up the. Us fell by moving into a different season. It looked like he was trying to hope help but in fact he just by going head to head he he marked its demise. I don't know. But i no longer trust this story. Well the demise of the nba is not here yet but it could becoming kyrie irving could be leading to that demise or possibly career and could be example. Yesterday i talked about how new york city kind of adjusted their rules and found a loophole that would allow kyrie irving to practice with the brooklyn nets and therefore play on the road games with them. He still would not be able to play at the home games. The team has now come out after that revelation and the general manager of the team in a statement said that currently the choice restricts it kyrie irving choice to not reveal his vaccination status currently the choice restricts his ability to be fulltime member of the team and we will not permit any member of our team to participate with part time availability. So just yesterday we find out that kyrie can't practice and kim play and half the games today and that was due to the city now the corporation his own team has come out with a statement. Said no not gonna do not gonna let him be a part time player. I'm wondering if that is an example of the corporation stepping up as opposed to the city being the one mandate which we have seen a lot of that. Let's look the corporations do it. And i'm also wondering if another possibility is that is just the gm and perhaps the team putting new york city in a position to where maybe they can find another loophole for them. We're gonna take it away. Maybe we're trying to push a little bit because because here we are now either. Kyrie irving is not going to play or the city is going to find a loophole. That's going to allow him to play at home. Those are basically the options. Were looking at oregon. I did see the language of that announcement. And i was struck by the fact that they mentioned that kyri made a personal choice. And we don't begrudge him that personal choice but his choice made it impossible for him to play with us and that's really a full choice. It's like what you did. It's it's just something rapists might say. It's just what you did made the situation like this. And i'm sorry that you have to be so bad by this is what happens to bad people. It does seem that way. It seems like the corporation taken the lead. So it doesn't have to be while the government mandated it. I don't think kyrie is going to get the vaccine personally. How it'd be grandma anything. How old is he. I think he's got plenty of money for the rest of you just have to level down. I mean if you're coke had you're going to have a problem but if you're good family man it's just not s not you can do it. Yeah he'll be all right but you gotta worry about a guy like that worry for his safety because to take the low road like the higher by taking the modest road boy that is some powerful stuff to be not materialistic to to rise above it by not carrying. Then you've got the anthony bourdain problem. I'm afraid yeah exactly told you. The other day about some military trainings gone wrong. Well i have another story that kind of fits that theme edwin that might be related to somewhere you're going on vacation and alert was a greenwood junior high school in greenwood arkansas. They went on temporary lockdown yesterday when a van pulled into the school parking lot and two men got out of the van wearing vests cammo and according to a school official. What this person believed to be a gun barrel hanging over. The men's shoulder turned out not to be a gun barrel but police. It was like a radio big piece of radio equipment. The police also thought. I looked like something dangerous when they arrived. The school used an official panic button to put out an alert and officers responded almost immediately and once they got there they then they cancelled alert because it was discovered that the two men were members of a visiting military group who were in the area doing an exercise and again that wasn't a gun on the shoulder but the police said this a statement. They said we are frustrated with a lack of communication or the decision to pull into the school parking lot but obviously happy with the response to the threat. The system worked as it. Should a meeting already happening today with a military unit between the school. The police department and the the guys that were involved. I think it sounds like they were testing something at the school. The way they put that language. I went to the police departments facebook page and read some of the stuff on there too and when they say the response system worked. Well this threat button. I feel like this was a test that they were involved in. They didn't tell the school about. I was reading about some of these trainings. And there's quite often do not tell the public about it because what they want to do is gauge. How the public reacts to this unknown threat. Because that's the purpose of it. Sometimes i feel like that's what this is right here when you brought that. Great coverage of vigilant guard to the wsb show. Remember that vigilant guard the one where they claps eighty five on purpose liked to us. There were other things that happened around that time. A chemical spill. There's a lot of stuff there. Was that red red dust or something red mercury that was a mythical. It was really strange. Yeah there's a lot of stuff going on around that time it. Clearly they were. They were doing some multi event drill in atlanta and we had a caller who is clearly on the job as they say and he was saying. Oh that's ridiculous guys are out of your minds. We have or those people you know whatever might as well have said we have much more important things to do and what i didn't say it was a little sharper on the air but i don't know why didn't save to it. What what other. Things are more important to people preparing for emergencies than to prep than to simulate like they do that. that's there. There are mass shooting simulations their simulations all the time scenarios. That's the thing to do these days. That's pretty much all you could possibly do. You can visualize you can teach you can read. You can theorize but really. It seems very clear that what they've concluded is the best way to prepare to simulate and and it doesn't work if you tell the people it does not work because most of the simulation is to see what the reaction will be of the public the unpredictability so they can fight better predict in the future how they're going to react. Can you imagine if somebody saw this. And they had a gun on them and they thought that these people were that could have turned into an actual live shooter situation. I wonder if that happens all the time. Who knows what happened to that cop and atlanta recently to that good samaritan and denver. who knows. I wouldn't be surprised if that happens all the time. Now they used to. I think there was an operation. Camelot or something. They used to this kind stuff and other countries. I think they've brought it here because they know culturally. You really can't transfer your experience from one country to another. I want to give you something to look out for. You're gonna be in hawaii vacation. Yeah well while you're there. There's a large army training exercise that will include simulated explosives quite blank. Ammunition runs and increased military air traffic. The multi national exercise multinational going to have hundreds of troops from indonesia and thailand. And it's going to be conducted by the joint pacific multinational training center and it runs through october. Twenty eighth. why do we need to do. Joint training with indonesia and thailand. I don't but expect to see easier military conway's all over the road the philippines. Now i think pearl harbor is on the big island. I think we're going to maui so interesting enough. I got a story from a listener. Message me from rhode island governor. Charlie baker activates the national guards assist with school. Covert nineteen testing from k. Through twelve so now. The kids are going to be used to having soldiers in the classroom. They're going to do that. The military there in massachusetts is already using the national guard to augment the bus driver shortage which is a related thing. So i feel like they. They've got their story out there. Supply chain their labor shortage. They put the story out there. I think they knew full. Well what these mandates would do these vaccine mandates and i feel like it was totally acceptable to them or maybe even the intention and i do wonder if they also baker also activated up to two hundred fifty members to offset potential staffing shortages of the department of correction where we having the staffing shortages. We're the governments are mandating stuff. And where is that really critical things. It's health care it's education it's transportation. Obviously it's correctional. I mean this is what. I said about obamacare. I the reason. I got off the couch and became politically active for against that. Was i said this will put the economy over to where fifty one percent of the people one way or another are getting their the checks that by their food from the government. Whether it's food stamps or you are public schoolteacher. The government then becomes your provider. And and then you push back against other citizens who don't want taxes to go up or don't want the government to have more power than fifty percent of people everywhere. All the time are going to be voting for more bigger government. And your only hope is like english style conservatism. Which is about making it more efficient. That's interesting that makes me think of some climate literacy south. They're gonna be training military in which i'll talk more about in the. Dnb are but very very interesting. 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There's often false information reported in the news and to cover themselves they will sometimes later issue a correction or retraction and that will be like on the back page in the tiniest print never mentioned on television while the lie was mentioned for like four weeks or four years straight. There's pretty shocking. When that occurred at the new york times this past week they issued a correction. That was on friday. They should have done a lot more than just issue correction. But the correction was issued after the times health and science reporter health and science reporter. Her name is approval manda via she published an article titled a new vaccine strategy for children. Just one dose in which she incorrectly described actions taken by regulators in sweden and denmark. They have the so here. Here's what they've done in. Denmark and sweden. They've halted the use of moderna vaccines children. She reported that they had begun. Offering single doses. So she reported literally the opposite. They're not they're now offering single doses within reality. They had halted the use of the vaccine. We probably meant she probably twisted that. The children had had one dose and then had such serious reactions that they weren't given second doses and she misconstrued that. I wouldn't be surprised so typical. Can you imagine. That's not the only thing she did though. But can you imagine if people here witten got the vaccine based on reading this reporting and something were to happen. I mean this is a type of reporting that is could be deadly and the fact that it's just such a blatant lie unbelievable and they didn't start with our and that was the most outrageous when to me. They buried out in the bottom of the article about the retraction. The other claim that she made and the original article was that nine hundred thousand children had been hospitalized due to kovic since the beginning of the pandemic nine hundred thousand children hospitalized the real number according to new york times. This might not even be the real number but the real number according to their own correction sixty three thousand so fifteen times the amount over eight hundred thousand more. She might have been asserting what happened when people got the vaccine. But there's uk there's data coming out of the uk that teen boys. Young men are six times as likely to go to the hospital from vaccine complications than from covert itself. And those are you know older kids not even little kids who had no there was sixty. Three thousand kids have been hospitalized with covert. That's the real number. That's what they say. The real numbers and even that no doubt no doubt is overestimated because every single solitary thing. I have read is that cova cases get there are more false positives and false negatives and that they get categorized as covert in the hospital for a variety of incentives and other pressures and i will put in the show notes today a great article i read an epoch times which is a controversial or whatever. Very one sided media outlet by. This article was great. I will also put in the children's defense Let's talk about it. In the are about ron johnson. Coming out the senator. And some what he talks about the community pfizer approval dispute but in the meanwhile check out. I will put that epoch times article. Keep going sign jumping. This is a joke. This woman in two thousand nineteen was the winner of the victor cohn prize for excellence in medical science reporting. She was off by nearly a million people nearly a million children her claim and she's not fired. You're off in your reporting by a million people in. You're not fired you report. That vaccine is in promoting. It is one dose offering a yet in reality. The country you're talking about has stopped issuing the vaccine. And you're not fired. It's this is the type of reporting that they allow because it serves the agenda and this isn't the first time that she has been the subject of controversy. She sparked outrage earlier this year when she tweeted that someday we will stop talking about the lab leak theory and maybe even admit it's racist roots but we're not there yet so she is an activist totally. So what was the explanation. No explanation just to retract. Show with us it w- clarification. Wow it's funny. Because my when i went i went to catholic school elementary school and on tuesdays in science class. They would bring copies of the science times from the new york times for us street and my father would not allow me to read it. I had to go sit in the hallway. Because he said it was a socialist rang and they said. But it's just it's it's just science sciences where it starts psych holy data ahead of it man. Yeah i wasn't embarrassed i. I was weird. But i didn't care because i hated school so i didn't mind sitting in the hallway goofing off. I thought it was kind of funny but heights. It was like the jewish to sit outside during religion. But it was he for him. It was a false religion. I think very funny he was way ahead of it. So let's talk more about this stuff in the xsara. I have other stories but there are some important things that came out of these new this data and the epoch times. And what ron john. Senator ron johnson said about the community visor. False reporting net. The pfizer vaccine is approved by the fda. Really good stuff. So but i. I've got a few things to wrap the speaker the speaker. The seeker wants to shout out. The self proclaimed quote most hated website in the world fake mask. Worldwide dot com. I guess they've blown through a lot of url's fake mask. 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What the delta variant means for you

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27:02 min | 3 months ago

What the delta variant means for you

"From the newsroom. Of the washington. All the height stephanie in the washington post reports. I'm martine powers. It's tuesday july six today. What the delta variant means for you plus the universal struggle for black women in higher education right now in the us. It seems like things are going pretty well. People are getting vaccinated. People are being able to take off masks safely. People are getting reunited and hugging their friends and families for the first time but at the same time we are hearing all this news about this scary thing on the horizon the delta variant that seems like it's threatening to take all that good stuff away so all viruses mutate and take on different strains the delta variant is one of the different variants of the krona virus and it was first detected in india during the catastrophic surge of cases earlier this spring fentanyl repeal covers the pandemic for the post and he's been following the rise of the delta variant it is mutated form of corona virus. That's estimated to be around fifty percent more transmissible than previous forms. He talked producer. Mattel off the reason that the delta variant has low in public health officials is because it's highly transmissible and it's even more transmissible than the b one one seven variant that was first detected in the united kingdom do we know like how pervasive is the delta variant in the us right now. I just start by saying that. It's always hard to pinpoint exactly. How prevalent any variant is in the united states because we have limited capacity for doing genetic sequencing viruses some countries are able to sequence far more of their viruses than others that being said we do have some capacity and authorities often look to the share of the that they have been sequencing we discussed how the delta very is already response for half of all cases in many parts of this country is more easily transmissible. Potentially more dangerous we're also seeing signs that delta the predominant variant in arkansas colorado missouri in utah where we have been seeing spikes in cases that are related to this variant. So right now. Nevada has the highest per capita new cases in the country and their state public health lab saw delta variants going from sixteen percent of the samples. They reviewed in the first half of june to forty six percent in the second. Half of june. How are officials responding in those parts of the country where it is really prevalent for being hit the hardest but right now we're in a stage where most localities dropping restrictions left and right but we are still seeing upticks in parts of the country and increases in hospitalizations because the delta variant a lot of public health leaders and elected officials have chosen to respond by focusing on vaccination one of the points that public health authorities have been making to unvaccinated people. Is that this. Delta strain is much riskier than the strain. That was going around a year ago. We just had another major holiday weekend with the fourth of july where we saw air travel exceeding air travel back in twenty nineteen and the triple a projecting that there is going to be just as much travel this year compared to pre pandemic levels. So you're having a lot of gatherings you're having big celebrations with much of the country. Not wearing masks. And now practicing social distancing it may be that the vaccines are going to be ineffective shield to really reduce the transmission of the virus in a setting like this public health. Authorities are especially worried about what's happening in the communities where few people aren't unvaccinated because this burien is more transmissible when you have people who are in a room with someone who's carrying that culture strain. They're more likely to get it than if they were celebrating mask list last fourth of july while. So can you say more about that. Like how does the transmissibility of this strain compared to the other strains and i guess how do the symptoms or the deadliness of it compare so also add that scientists are still really trying to understand exactly how much more dangerous the delta variant is. So there's still some open questions about whether it causes more severe illness in whether fully vaccinated people can transmit this viruses well. These questions can be hard to pinpoint. But what scientists can say that when viruses. More transmissible and is more contagious. It can cause a lot more problems and just logically if more people are drafting virus. That's spreading more quickly in community. You're also gonna see more people end up in the hospital and more people die even if the virus itself isn't particularly more deadly do we know how effective vaccines that many already. Have our against this new variant. So pfizer madonna and johnson. Johnson have all said that their vaccines are effective against the delta variant. It is important though to recognize that we are going to see breakthrough infections. Especially if delta is spreading rapidly but these kind of breakthrough infections which means someone contracts the virus even though they are vaccinated. They're rare and even rarer so is someone having a severe illness or ending up the hospital when they're already vaccinated because the vaccines do provide protection against that virus turning into something more deadly so given kind of all of this. How concerned should americans be about the delta variant if you haven't been vaccinated and if you live in a community with a high concentration of unvaccinated people you are in danger because of this delta variant the cdc identified thousand counties that have under thirty percent of the population fully vaccinated in one of the points that public health officials have been making to me. Is that right now. You're in a situation where you have half the population vaccinated of nationwide and you have the economy fully reopened. You have people going out and about being mask. Klis being in businesses with no capacity restrictions while this variant is going around the conditions are here for this variant to travel more quickly in unvaccinated populations than was the case about a year ago or when the country was more under lockdown Do you think there's a chance that we're going to go back to widespread masquerading or mask. Mandates because of this variant so los angeles came out in strongly recommended that all residents vaccinated in unvaccinated. Like wear masks again indoors because of the danger of this delta variant now again like i mentioned earlier does appear that vaccines do protect people against the delta variant. But there have been some breakthrough infections in la in particular they identified a hundred and twenty three people who are infected with the virus and ten of them were fully vaccinated. The reason that while sange is saying you should wear your mass again is because there is still some uncertainty about whether those fully vaccinated people can spread the virus as well. And it's really more coming from a place of an abundance of caution now whether we're going to see this become widespread. That's more uncertain the centers for disease control and prevention. Say that they are not at this time. Interested in revisiting their guidance for masking which essentially says that vaccinated people can go without mass. In most circumstances we also are seeing that a lot of public health agencies in governors in state legislatures have a limited appetite for restrictions. Anymore in there is a sense of democ fatigue restriction fatigue. That's been settling in with much of the population and even if you do bring mask mandates back. There's a question of how many people are going to adhere to them. What about like the federal government. How are they responding to this variant. The last week the white house announced that they're going to be establishing these search response teams to respond to these regional flare ups that we're seeing in delta variant of krona virus cases now the what the response teams will do is focused on sending supplies and expertise to help these communities deal with these new outbreaks. And right now. We're seeing that happen in places like colorado utah part of the midwest with south missouri in its borders with north west. Arkansas northeast. oklahoma. They're all seeing increased. Hospitalizations has resulted the delta variant. So we can kind of focusing this conversation on the united states. how about globally. How big of a threat is the delta varian and you know where are we seeing it kind of popping up right so this delta varian has been wreaking havoc around the globe like i mentioned it was first detected in india when we saw big catastrophic surge of cases that was spreading through the country like wildfire and led to a situation where hospitals were being overrun running out of oxygen and patients. Were being forced to fend for themselves. Were also seeing that countries that have largely avoided. The brunt of the virus are now dealing with new spikes and problems because the delta variant including australia and parts of southeast asia. And we're also seeing the country's are starting to bring back the kind of restrictions that the us is lifting in thailand. Part of the country is under a new month. Long lockdown israel decided to restore it. Endure mask mandate south. Africa has banned indoor dining alcohol sales. We're seeing trouble around the world because of the delta variant from your perspective. What do you think of the big outstanding unknowns about this variant. I think the big questions about this variant are how can be transmitted by vaccinated people whether it's going to be deadlier whether it's gonna cause more severe symptoms. We have seen some evidence that the symptoms or bit different than the original strains. But we're still trying to get a good handle on how exactly the experience of someone who gets delta strain differs from someone who would have contrived you karna virus a year ago and then the other big question is we know that even mutated strains of viruses mutate and evolve further already. We're seeing cases of variant. That's been referred to as delta plus. We're still not entirely clear whether that's any worse than adults or any more transmissible or any more deadly in. That's one of the points. The public health officials have been making. This virus is gonna keep mutating when it's being spread in the community on. It's going through more bodies when it's replicating over and over again and has an opportunity mutate more and more the best way to stop these strains is to get vaccinated and to prevent the transmission at this virus. Finish near a pill is a health and science reporter for the post. The story was produced by mattel off one of the best ways to support washington post podcasts. Besides listening to them is by subscribing to the washington post. You'll get unlimited access to our award winning reporting and you'll be supporting the journalists and staff who were creating podcast like this one you can get a whole year of unlimited access for just one dollars a week get this offer at washington post dot com slash. Subscribe over the last few weeks. There has been this battle brewing at an esteemed journalism school in north carolina. This controversy over a tenured academic position has somehow become this proxy for the battle over critical race theory and diversity in hiring and on tuesday morning there was another twist in that story well. I decided to decline the offer of tenure. I will not be teaching on the faculty of the university of north carolina at chapel hill. So what happened. This morning was pretty extraordinary. Nicole hannah jones went on. Cbs this morning and spoke with gayle king and told her that she would not be going to the university of north carolina at chapel hill as a journalism professor nick anderson covers higher education for the post instead. She will be journalism professor with tenure at howard university here in the nation's capital difficult. Not a decision. i wanted to make. Then she went through a series of reasons. The was really a pretty powerful indictment of the university of north carolina. Look what it took to get tenure so this was a position that since nineteen eighty came with tenure and so to be denied it and to only have that vote occur on the last possible day after threat of legal action after weeks of protests after it became a national scandal. It's not something that i want anymore. She said look. This controversy was mishandled that she believes that she had been opposed for tenure or delayed for tenure because politics and political views about her work also because frankly of discrimination against her as a black woman. I have been very very thoughtful about my decision to go to an historically black college. And what i decided is. I've spent my tire life proving that i belonged in elite weiss basis that we're built for black people and she's going to go somewhere else where she feels like her work will be valued and she won't have to face the big hullabaloo producer driven. Ray smith talk to nick about this case with nicole hannah jones but also about what this means for. Black academics beyond. Unc chapel hill soon it for listeners. Who haven't been following the story as closely as say you or i. Can you explain the background of what's been going on and why there's been so much over. Unc's decision to give or not. Give nicole hannah jones tenure. Sure let's start with the fact that nicole. Hannah jones is a pulitzer prize winner and decorated professional journalism. Who works for the new york times so she has a long record as a professional journalist and an acclaimed one so she was recruited by the university of north carolina chapel hill to come teach there as a journalism professor specifically. She was recruited to the night chair in race and investigative journalism that was a pretty plum perch for her at unc. If she wanted it then unc got into a big controversy first internally and behind the scenes but then burst into public view about whether she nicole. Hannah jones should be granted. Tenure and that controversy simmered and simmered exploded and then finally got settled last week with the board of trustees voting to give her tenure but she at the end of the day was kind of turned off by the controversy. She said hey. Why is this controversial. What why was my application for tenure delayed when others who had previously held this position that i'm about to come into been given tenure. No problem she wanted to be treated the same as predecessors and she wasn't so why is being tenured so important. Tenure is the top of the academic ladder for professors. It gives them the freedom to say and think and do the kind of research that they want to do without fear of being fired or punished for it now. It's not an absolute people who have tenure can get fired but it really gives professors. Who have it a degree of protection and autonomy. That they believe will help them continued the work of the university. In seeking truth and knowledge wherever that search leads and that protects them from political influence protects them from Meddling by outsiders and gives them a certain degree of assurance that from year to year. Whatever they might say in the classroom or publish in a journal article will not come back to bite them and caused them to lose their jobs. after nicole. hannah jones is announcement that she's going to. Howard what is unc chapel hill said about all of this we asked you sees top officials for comment this morning. We haven't heard anything back yet. We expect that we will at some point soon. We also have received a comment from the dean of the journalism. School at unc. Now she's not top official at the university but she is the head of the journalism school and her name is susan king and she said she was disappointed that unc would not be getting nicole. Hannah jones onto its faculty and dean king had frankly champion tenure for nicole hannah jones. She also said that you know. Unc has some work ahead of it to to be the kind of university of spires to be. So you know. I think dean king and the faculty at that school. Unc are going to be leading a discussion. That's going to be wide ranging And it's probably going to draw in other sectors of the university about how to avoid this drama in the future can curious how does all of this news surrounding nicole hannah jones. How has it revealed broader issues. Not only at unc chapel hill but other higher ed institutions as well. Well we can't escape really the moment that the country is in. There's deep introspection in this country about the treatment of black professionals in the workplace and that extends to of course universities nicole. Hannah jones is a black woman and black. Female faculty are not represented in proportion in academia too. You know their numbers in society at large and they have a lot of stories to tell about mistreatment and discrimination of various kinds. And so. I think there's a lot of faculty numbers out there who look at the story and they feel resonance in the story either to their own situation personally or two situations that they've witnessed behind the scenes and and have regrets doubts about I think this is going to spark soul-searching throughout academia not just at unc. it's really about equity. It's about fair treatment and it's about you know. How does the professor orient of america look and how does it act. And how does it take care of its own and how does it respect. The work of people who have risen to the top of their professions and into the top of their fields and treat them as equals In in the search for knowledge and in the teaching of knowledge. I just feel really overwhelmed in really exhausted to be completely honest. The problem of racism and higher education goes well beyond nicole. Hannah jones a couple of weeks ago jordan. Maria reached out to a few black female professors and she wanted to hear from them about what their experiences have been like. Working in academia i came on as chair and who wasn't as if the job itself was going to be difficult for me. What was going to be difficult is sitting in a room knowing that i might be one of the only if not one of maybe three black women a black woman in academia and my my very narrow experience i've been supported. I've had good relationships. I've had people who have mentor to me. Well i've also been excluded. i've also been minimized. That is dr marinda. Catherine hera levy a professor at penn state and dr sharon holland at unc chapel hill. I'm dr trevy a mcdonald. I am the julian scheer term. Associate professor in the broadcast sequence and i am also the school's inaugural director of diversity equity and inclusion so my knowledge. I'm only the third black woman who's been in the journalism school on tenure track. So what has it been like being black at unc chapel hill. It's really been overwhelming. I even saw a tweet from one of my students who said that throughout her entire education. I'm the only black woman who ever taught her and it was not until her last semester of undergrad. And i think it's very important that we are able to teach from different perspectives and that requires a diverse faculty as well as inclusion in our curriculum. But it's it's it's challenging. Certainly wish there were other black women on the faculty in the journalism school and we do have another black woman who is a fixed term faculty member in public relations to the students love but in the word but is always a cancellation. There should not just be the two of us because we end up doing just a lot of advising a lot of mentoring and just really supporting students of color both at the undergraduate and graduate level. You mentioned the mentor ship. That goes on and you serve on a lot of committees. I'm curious if you could illustrate for me. What is like a typical month of being a black woman at a higher education institution and who also is one of the few. that's tenured. yeah like number one. There are not enough hours in the day from the teaching even though i am the director of diversity equity and inclusion for the school. I'm still a faculty member. I teach diversity courses and that's the course that changes it can change from day to day based on what's happening in the world. So of course. I have to stay on my toes for that then. There's the committee work. The meetings the effort as the director of diversity equity and inclusion to really effect change in to create a sense of belonging for our students faculty and most importantly our staff in the school. Because i feel that staff is so often overlooked when they are so essential and just really working. Hard to try to implement different programs different Even new courses. That's a lot. And i still have to eat and sleep in then. Try to have some balance in life and work on scholarship as well. So dr mcdonald. What would you say to incoming black faculty. Unc chapel hill. That's a million dollar question. I always liked to in my classes with my students with a million dollar question because our student body president issued an open letter basically saying until we have a reckoning and some changes happen that black students faculty and staff should not come. He saying go where you will be respected and appreciate it. We must be intentional about diversity equity belonging and inclusion all the way around. Not just because it's the popular thing to do right now but we have. We have to really be intentional. It doctor trevy. Mcdonald is a journalism professor at the university of north carolina at chapel hill in two thousand eighteen. She became the first black woman to earn tenure at the university's journalism school. You also heard the voices of dr marinda. Catherine hera levy professor at penn state and dr sharon holland at unc chapel hill. The segment was produced by jordan. Marie smith that's post reports. Thanks for listening. Today's show is mixed by rina flores. 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Free Britney?

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29:31 min | 4 months ago

Free Britney?

"This podcast is supported by cisco the bridge to possible from the newsroom of the washington. Post a you watching i. This is beth reinhard. Laurie art tiny over at the. I'm this is post reports martine powers. It's thursday june twenty four today. Britney spears speaks out the hoop of in experimental brain surgery and the end of a newspaper in hong kong so yesterday afternoon in los angeles britney spears. The pop singer participated in a court. Hearing about her conservatorship this this legal arrangement that she's been in since two thousand and eight so thirteen years. Now there have been a lot of hearings over the last several years about this but this particular hearing special because brittany requested to speak on her own behalf. Usually in these hearings at senior lawyers talking to lawyers or to a judge but yesterday britney spoke for herself in the court after. I've lied and told the whole world. I'm okay and i'm happy. It's a ally i thought i just. Maybe if i said that enough maybe i might become happy because i've been in. Denial been in shock. I am traumatized you know. Fake it till you make it. But now i'm telling you the truth okay. I'm not happy. I can't sleep. I'm so angry. It's insane and i'm depressed. I cry every day. This was the first time that the public has had any access to her statements to the court so very revealing. It was a really emotional berry very tense. Kind of yesterday ashley fetters. Reports on pop culture for the post she talked to post reporter producer jordan murray smith socially what is conservative ship. Exactly a conservatorship isn't arrangement. That places a vulnerable adult under another person supervision to prevent them from being taken advantage of in theory it can involve the vulnerable person really surrendering a lot of control of their finances and a lot of their daily life and traditionally these exists four. Like very kind of senile adult population. Who might be distinctly endanger of of that kind of thing of being taken advantage of but of course what a lot of fans and general observers have argued over the years as britney spears is. She's thirty nine years old. She's a successful musician. She's demonstrated a lot more capability in functionality. Then a lotta people who end up under conservative ships so to a lot of people that suggested the possibility that there might be might be something something off about this situation. So how has britney spears's life been controlled by the conservatorship and who is in control of that conservatorship okay. So who's in control of the conservatorship. When the situation came to be in two thousand and eight it was understood to be temporary at the time and then of course over time became permanent at some point along the way at first the conservative of both her person and her finances was her father. Jamie spears They were estranged at the time. They've been known to have kind of a tense strained relationship for most brittany adult life. A key thing to understand here is that britney brittany and the people closest to her have stayed very quiet about this for the last twelve thirteen years but yesterday with britney speaking for herself in this virtual courtroom for the first time for the public adhere observers learned a lot of specifics for the first time she described being forced to go to therapy twice even three times a week sometimes with therapists. She described as abusive to said that she wasn't allowed to go on vacation if she hadn't fulfilled but their bureau requirement. She said you know they weren't. They wouldn't let me go on my vacation to maui unless i went to therapy As many times as they prescribed she also described Going to therapy and places that were very exposed where the public could see her coming and going Despite her having requested to do therapy sessions at her home instead she alleged that prescription drugs were sort of forced on her by her conspirators. Ones that made her feel like she was drunk. All the time meter behave. Kind of radically She also and this is the thing that i think has really disturbed. A lot of people got under the under the skin of a lot of people in the last twenty four hours. She also mentioned that she would like to have her removed her control device and have another baby but her conservatives won't let her go to the doctor to undergo that procedure So she describes you know that that environment as abusive overall and asked the her conservatorship terminated. What is the freebritney movement. So the freebritney movement Popped up right around the same time as the details of the conservatorship reach the public. You know in in two thousand eight. She ends up under this conservatorship and in two thousand nine you start to see this freebritney hashtag and the freebritney dot net website pops up. It's just it's a movement of fans who saw this happen and said something seems strange about this about the situation about this kind of predicament. That she's in and of course. I think has fed that over the last thirteen years brittany and the people closest to her have remained. Pretty quiet about the conservatorship in the details of it. There are details that have that have leaked out. Or you know. Kind of the occasional comment here and there that gives a glimpse behind the veil conservatorship It's an generally those details. Add up to britney's not happy with the situation and essentially what we saw in court. Yesterday was generally confirmed the suspicion that that allows fans have had for a long time. And of course you know. The the response was was overwhelming yesterday. I do think that a lot of folks who have have come and gravitated toward the freebritney movement are people who didn't come here through the the front door of being britney fan but came here through the side door of having experienced conservatorship abuse or the misuse of this legal arrangement and kind of came to this movement through caring about that primarily so for a lot of folks this represented not just a victory for britney but victory against conservatives and you know just a raising of awareness around the potential for abuse of this arrangement. Ooh i'm kind of curious about what's going to happen next. I think we're all curious about what is going to happen next here. Conservative ships are known to be really difficult to get out of I think they're designed that way for a lot of different reasons but you know the fact that she has now expressed and requested that she wants The the conservative to be terminated. That should at least bring up the topic for discussion. That was not on the table before and now it is on the table given the way this this case has been handled in the past. I would expect this is. I want to emphasize. This is my personal prediction. My ashley fetters. Personal prediction is This will be handled in a way that it is sort of slow and careful and not not dramatic or immediate. A lot of this case has been handled by the judge. Brenda penny in a way. That feels very measured So i would not expect the the news next week to be. Britney is britney's control. You know i would not i would not hold my breath for that But i do think that it is on the table. Now it's something they can discuss you know. Is this conservatorship really necessary anymore ashley. Fetters reports on pop culture for the post. This story was produced by jordan. Marie smith And do you are recording recording awesome. Okay who are you. And what do you do I'm lenny bernstein. And i cover health and medicine for the post lenny. Bernstein talk to our executive producer. Maggie penman about an experimental brain surgery to treat substance use disorders and lenny stories started with this one guy. Jared buckhalter forced and the only person in the united states to have his addiction to drugs reversed by brain surgery. A particular kind of brain surgery in which a deep brain stimulator is installed. They had to drill holes in his skull. They have to implant electrodes in two parts of his brain called the nucleus accumbens one on either side stimulating. This part of the brain appears to affect other parts of the brain involved in decision making and curbing impulsivity and scientists have found that it might reverse physical changes to the brain caused by years of drug use. Jared is thirty five years and he struggled with severe substance use disorder for more than half his life. Now after this brain surgery he's been sober for more than six hundred days. So you spend a lot of time with jared reporting this story. What does he say this feels like. Does he not have the desire to do drugs anymore or does he just have more impulse control or like. What is this therapy actually do. It's really interesting to hear him. Describe this because he is trying to describe something that literally no one else has ever felt. His cravings are greatly reduced so that is the first and probably most important thing he desperately wanted to get better but the cravings had such a hold on him that he literally could not focus on anything else outside of getting that truck after thought so his cravings are greatly reduced that allows him to focus on other things. He still feels depression. He's still feels anxiety. But the brain stimulation has reduced the drugs hold on him to the extent that he actually can devote some energy and some attention to getting better. I wanna talk a little bit. About what jared. Life was like before the surgery. What were his relationships like. What was his health like. Did he have a job could he. Maintain friendships what was his life. Like for the better part of twenty years he cycled in and out of jobs never maintaining one for very long he had no true friends Other than other drug users and they were essentially in the same situation he was he did have girlfriends but he inevitably would steal from them. There is nothing in my life. Did i hadn't screwed up at time. I anybody know everybody. His parents stayed in his life for the better part of these two decades but eventually they too had to sort of distance themselves from him he was stealing thousands and thousands of dollars from them and from their friends and from people he knew and his father was pretty convinced that he was ukraine. End up dead or in jail And he said you know the only thing. He was praying. Every day was jared wouldn't hurt somebody innocent person by driving under the influence of drugs. This experimental surgery on the one hand. Sounds like americal and on the other hand sounds sort of dystopia ian. What are the moral and ethical questions around the surgery. Is that something that was discussed before it was performed. The questions of risk and reward were very seriously discussed When he was first approached he didn't wanna do it and his parents were absolutely dead set against him. Doing it. gradually. Over time. Jared and to a lesser extent. His parents became convinced that while there was some risk to brain surgery the path that he was on was far riskier than that He was in the end stages of his addiction. And everything else that exists out. There had not worked and his future was imminent overdose and death. He had overdosed numerous times. Already and He was really looking at dying sooner or later from a drug overdose. There are obviously a lot of interrelated problems that come along with substance use disorder and it feels like this surgery sort of one part of it. Would you agree with that. Is that something that the doctors who performed the surgery would agree with. Yeah if you define that one. Part as reducing the cravings reducing impulsivity improving judgment then. That's what the surgery does. It does not cure drug addiction. It allows the person enough space in their life to us. The other methods of addressing substance use disorder in an of itself a cure. You know you can take the craving aspect out of it you can. You can make me feel a little bit better. I i have a living problem. That's the biggest thing. That's i didn't know how to live a normal life outside else using drugs you know. I didn't know what a media friendship was. You know. I didn't know how to be a good son. I didn't know how to be a reliable employees. You do well with already. And i like i still shrove things. Now i will say injured case. He did not relapse even a single time. And that was very unexpected. The the doctors fully expected that in the six hundred plus days. Since he's had the surgery he relapsed once or twice and that the treatment team would be called upon to get him back off trucks. That never happened and it is an open question. Why was it. Because jared was the perfect candidate and that he was so determined even before the surgery to get off drugs that he has never touched them again or is it something about the surgery or is it something about the follow treatment because only two people have ever had. This and only one has succeeded. There's no way to compare him to anyone else is this is proven safe and they go on to a much larger trial though. Then be able to acquire data and compare jared and other people and try to is late some of those questions and and develop answers to them when you talk to the doctors who perform this surgery what. What are their hopes for it. So they know that a procedure that involves cutting people's heads open and putting electrodes in people's brains. That is a a niche operation. It always will be a niche operation for that. Small group of the most severely affected what they want to do is accomplish the same thing with non invasive procedures and there were two that they're already studying one of them is Trans cranial magnetic stimulation. It's the use of powerful magnets that replaced against The head for short periods of time and the other is focused ultrasound similar procedure only using ultrasound that they can point at different parts of the brain. Trans cranial magnetic stimulation already is being used in depression. So what they're hoping to do is together enough information from these surgeries that then can transition to a noninvasive form of the same idea. I should mention that the stimulator that's inside. Jared is not just stimulating his brain. It's also recording information that they will be using along with his own subjective evaluation and with mri data to help try to refine this procedure. Can you talk a bit about the other person who got this surgery. Why why wasn't it successful for them. I never met the person. I don't know the person's name. I just know. It's a guy who was younger than jared. And who asked within a few months to have the stimulator removed so reliant on the doctors and what they said was that he soon afterwards stopped participating in meetings stop. Going to counseling stopped going to narcotics anonymous and essentially didn't engage the word that was used over and over again with us didn't engage in the follow up process and again because he's a universe of one person. We don't know what happened. It sounds like also jared has an incredible amount of going for him he has. It sounds like the support of his parents. He's middle-class it's possible he might be the outlier in this situation right he also was connected shortly after the surgery to a sober living house and so whole bunch of people welcomed him there in not just into the house but they also gave him a job eventually when he was ready for it as a peer counselor there and he says that those people have helped him As much as the surgery helped him because they're teaching him the second part of this journey how to live a normal life how to be a good friend how to get to work on time how to open a bank account so the cocoon of support around. Jared is very strong also. Has this treatment team at the hospital. Psychiatrists neuro psychiatrists. They're all helping him along. It really strikes me listening to you. Talk about how much support he still has. How incredibly overwhelming substance use disorder can be an how even a brain surgery can't really fix it it. It just feels like there's no silver bullet at least right now. No there's no silver bullet and This thing is incredibly powerful. Because i know how much jared wanted to get better you you can tell just talking to him how hard he tried over those years and it was not possible. It was just not possible for him. He couldn't beat it. I've been covering opioids for years and years and I know how bad it can be. And i know. I've talked to many many families who've lost people to overdoses. I've talked to people who overdosed. I came away with new renewed respect. For how difficult all encompassing this can be. And then i also came away with A real appreciation for people who are out there trying to develop new techniques Yes we have bucher norfolk and yes. If we were to expand medically assisted treatment dramatically we could really have an impact on the drug epidemic in the united states but are still people who are not going to respond to that. Lots of people. It's pretty amazing. To think that we might be able to approach this problem. technologically medically. That was a whole new window for me. Lenny bernstein is a health and science reporter for the post. This story was produced by maggie. Penman cisco is working toward the day when every one of us will be connected when everyone every way we'll have access to information education and opportunity cisco is working to positively impact one billion people by the year twenty twenty-five powering an inclusive for all when everyone and everything is connected. Anything is possible. Cisco the bridge to possible learn. Lords is go dot com slash go slash bridge to possible and now one more thing from hong kong bureau chief shabani madani this week apple daily one of the most important newspapers here in hong kong seized operations. The newspaper was a staunch supporter of the democracy movement in hong kong and also very critical voice against the chinese communist party in its twenty six years of existence Apple daily is not held back. Anything it is not pulled punches. It's basically being one of the few voices that has really expressed explicit support for the pro-democracy movement done critical coverage of the government investigated the hong kong police and become known really for its field coverage of hong kong in the events. Here for many people. It's it's more than just a newspaper but really the only outlet that they can find a voice for themselves after beijing. Pasta new national security law. Here basically you're raising street. Protests changing electoral rules trailing activists and politicians and in protest leaders and community leaders. The simple act of reading apple daily became itself a form of protests itself away for people to have hope and have hoped that their voice and their views was still being publicly acknowledged and publicly available. The newspaper ceased operations after series of events Over the past few days. That happened very quickly last week. Five executives from apple daily were arrested including three of its top editors that led to a series of events where the government froze its assets saying that those were illegally got engaged and stopped all banks in hong kong from walking with apple daily. That meant that apple daily. Couldn't pay spend as it could pay off and has some thousands dolphin and so the parent company of apple daily decided that they had no choice but to seize operations and print the lost copy of the newspaper this morning thursday morning here in hong kong. Those are very emotional. Event for hong kong people. Dozens of supporters in the crowd grew as big as over. One hundred at one. Point gathered outside. The newspaper's offices. Some lead flowers of the children some posting messages of support. It was really heavy. Rain here in kong was really grim. Weather and some people will be standing outside. Insight was also really emotional scene at the newsroom as john. Lewis prepared the loss copy of the of the newspaper. The loss pronunciation that they will have a publish. The stuff would cheering for each other thanking supporters outside at the end other too endless not to go in and document the last moments of apple daily and some of the editors were crying. Many of them had had worked since the paper began. The hong kong government has tried to say that the closure of apple daily was not about press freedom it was not about journalism but it was specifically about conspiracy that those is a group of journalists executives apple daily that were conspiring to collude with foreign forces. These are one of the four crimes under the new national security law inclusion with foreign forces essentially means working with countries like the us or the uk to quote unquote bring down hong kong or threaten national security. Since the national security law has been put in place the government has really been trying to push a narrative that the protests that we saw in twenty nineteen and twenty twenty until the pandemic hit when not organic they will not an expression of the will of the hong kong people but they were actually all denies by meddling foreign forces by people who wanted to destabilise hong kong hong kong that narrative doesn't hold water from what we've seen in what we know but it's one that the hong kong government has been working to prove media. Environment has already changed dramatically. In the pasta rec- shows disappearing. We see entire teams newsrooms disappearing. We see constant fear among international journalists that they will be denied visas and sort of forced out. It is impossible to say that the media is operating here as promised under hong kong's constitution where the right to a free press is meant to be guaranteed shabani. Mahtani is the hong kong bureau. Chief for the post amitav produced this story. that's it proposed reports. Thanks for listening. Today's show was mixed ted multimillion. We are wrapping up our two weeks subscription tribe. I just want to thank all of the listeners who've decided to become post subscribers in the past few days the past few months or even the past few years there are people like jake and sophie. Listened to the podcast. Religiously there is ken stat. 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"This podcast is supported by mass. Mutual listened to the first episode of the fair shares podcast host and financial guru bullish. Kombi advices a mother juggling pandemic job loss and caring for her son with special needs. So ben what is the official new name of the pfizer. Kovic vaccine the official name of the pfizer cova. D- vaccine is community. Yeah fell that. Come kamerhe comparing nikko. Co mir nitty c. o. m. i. r. a. t. y. It's quite a mouthful. But it's a amalgam of four different words and acronyms so we have covert nineteen in their community immunity and then r. a. That's the that's the technology that this vaccine is based on from the newsroom of the washington post this is post reports. I'm martine powers. It's wednesday august twenty fifth and this week. We have some big news from the fda. The fda has approved a first cove at nineteen vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the pfizer bio and pack cove nineteen vaccine and will now be marketed as community leader in the show. Were also going to hear from our colleague tracy jan. She has been asking tough questions of companies. That made a lot of promises last summer in our moments of racial reckoning and it turns out that they've only sort of kept his promises. What we ended up finding was that case there is like almost fifty billion dollars that were pledged more than ninety percent of that were actually in the form of loans and investments things that corporations could stand to profit from but i the pfizer vaccine is now officially. Fda approved and you might be wondering wait wasn't the pfizer vaccine already. Fda approved and yes partially for months we had been receiving the vaccine under emergency use authorization and that is a special regulatory designation. The fda gives when it wants to get a drug or vaccine out very quickly in times of emergency Like the pandemic that we're in now. The pfizer vaccine has received full approval. So no asterisks the whole shebang. Bengal reno is a health and science reporter for the post and he explained what this actually means that. Fda regulators have finished sifting through mountains of safety data that they've visited manufacturing facilities and that this vaccine has gone through the same rigorous review dozens of other vaccines and. This should be seen as another confidence builder. You know we were already confident in the vaccines that they work and they're safe effective but this is like the cherry on top in terms of that these vaccines work and you should not be worried about getting them now. People will be able to keep getting the pfizer vaccine even after the end of this public health. Emergency and pfizer can advertise the vaccine by its brand name community. We checked in with ben to talk about why this full approval distinction matters who had covers and how it might actually affect who ends up getting taxed so the pfizer vaccine has been officially approved for people who are sixteen and older to get two shots three weeks apart. So that's the typical course of the vaccine that most people would have been getting when they were getting the pfizer vaccine before the approval. What it doesn't cover but is still available. Our children twelve to fifteen can get the vaccine exact same dosage same three weeks apart. But that's still under the emergency use authorization and that's also true for people who have weakened immune systems who want to get a third dose. That will be under the eu. A there have not been third doses approved as part of this official stamp from the fda. And what does this mean for potential approval for children's vaccines for kids under twelve. So not much. It's another endorsement of the confidence in the vaccine overall. But what needs to happen for children who are under twelve. Is that the food and drug administration. Regulators need to go through and look at safety in children and also the dosage. So there's this phrase that a lot of immunologists like to use when thinking about this and they say little kids aren't just miniature adults. Kids are not just scaled down adults. They have different immune systems and metabolism. That is an eye. Each director francis collins. You really have to do the careful trials to make sure you've got the dose right in. There aren't any surprises realistically george. I don't think we're gonna see approval for kids under twelve until late in twenty twenty one so obviously a huge problem that the us is having right now is the continued presence of skepticism around the vaccine people who refuse to get vaccinated. Who don't believe that it safe. How do you think this full. Fda approval will affect that in people's willingness to to get vaccinated. Now for the first time. Optimistically i would say that it will convince some people we know about eighty million to eighty five million americans who are eligible have not received a corona virus vaccine yet. There's been polls that indicate may be three in ten people who haven't had the vaccine yet. Say well they were going to wait and see until the vaccine handful fda approval. I've talked to other behavioral scientists who've collected data that suggests it's much less than that may be three to five percent of people who aren't vaccinated are going to get the vaccine now. That's still great that still low millions of people if we're talking three to five percent but i don't know i don't think we're going to go out and see say half of all unvaccinated americans go out and get the vaccine now after fda approval yeah. It's it's hard for me to believe that people who are refusing to get vaccinated or who don't trust the science around. This are going to be persuaded by the difference between the emergency use authorization and the full approval. I think that's right. I what i've been thinking about a lot is how this pandemic has it's been a lesson in science and public health for all of us in kind of in different phases. We were learning about the corona virus. And then we're learning about airborne transmission and masks and now vaccines and mart any technology and now the regulatory process of the fda and for a lot of people this idea of emergency use authorization were unfamiliar with it When you get a drug or vaccine that is available under emergency use If you look at the pamphlet that you're supposed to receive it will include language saying like it's experimental and i think for some people to read that and see it that might be a source of hesitancy especially when we have people who are promoting vaccine. Disinformation misinformation they can kind of exploit that terminology. That can almost become a meme among the skeptical that Oh i'm gonna wait because it's experimental or i don't wanna get it because it's under emergency use in there hasn't been enough data when in reality there's been a ton of data showing that it safe but that language can be exploited and i think that's why some of the critics of the fda who were saying. It wasn't moving fast enough. I think those were the concerns that they had that even though this window of time is very fast by. Fda's normal standards that still a lot of time for misinformation to proliferate. So i i think that's their concerns. Come from ingesting. Yeah talk more about the length that this approval process has taken. We've all heard the stories about the breakneck speed at which this vaccine was developed. And i think that's a source of a lot of the concerns. People have about how fast moving this processes. So how fast has it really gone. And what should we read into the the speed at which this has now gotten to full approval so what has to happen for the fda to approve a drug is that a company has to submit an application so pfizer biotech filed for full approval in early may and then four months later so now in august we have this official approval and that's really fast by fda's traditional standards. That's record time for vaccine. And although it's fast. I want to emphasize there's no indication that regulators have sacrificed any kind of rigor when they're doing this acting. Fda commissioner janet woodcock made that very clear on monday but he want to underscore that our efforts to move as quickly as possible have been no way sacrificed scientific standards or the integrity of our process. They reviewed three hundred. Forty thousand pages data to do this so we should be confident. Personally you know. I was already very confident when these vaccines were made available under the emergence youth out the relation now that they're fully approved. It's just even more confidence on top we've also had discussions around the role that vaccine mandates play in vaccination rates here in the us. And this idea that really the only thing that truly makes people change their minds is if their job is dependent on being vaccinated or their ability to go to school. So how will this full approval status effect employers and schools willingness to really go through with these vaccine mandates. This is where a lot of the behavioral scientists and people who study vaccine. Confidence say is really going to move the needle. So it's going to be less about individual decisions and more about employers or universities or institutions like that mandating vaccines. We've already started to see that happen. So now that the pfizer vaccine has been approved. The department is prepared to issue updated guidance requiring all service members to be vaccinated this week the pentagon announced that it was accelerating its plans to mandate vaccines for troops. The health of force is as always a military or civilian employees families and communities as a top priority in new york city teachers have to be vaccinated and the idea. There is that people who are kind of hesitant if their employer tells them to do it. That will be persuasive to a lot of people and kind of has a twofold effect. One employees themselves are protected against the virus. Obviously but also builds this social norm when your buddy at work is vaccinated and they say oh you know actually. The vaccine was fine. I'd maybe i had a sore arm or a little bit of a fever afterwards. But it demons defies the vaccine. It makes it this this thing that is part of the community especially if an employer has a big footprint if they're workforce's is concentrated in the community and and the folks around you start to get vaccinated it really takes some of the uncertainty out of the equation which i think is is important for people who are hesitant so this is full approval for the pfizer vaccine but what about madonna and johnson johnson vaccines those approval processes are underway so as i mentioned earlier a drugmaker. A pharmaceutical company has to submit data and its application in order to get the ball rolling at the fda. Madeira and johnson and johnson have started to submit data of for their approval process. I believe that. Madeira did so about a month after pfizer and then johnson and johnson. They've done so on on a kind of rolling basis. I think if any indication that the pfizer vaccine was approved the moderna vaccine is based on this marnie technology. That's quite similar. So if i was more dinner i'd see this as a good sign but obviously fda has to review the manufacturing process. Go through that safety data with a fine to comb. So i would just say you know. Stay tuned do we know it. Maderna's official vaccine name is going to be going to be as difficult to pronounce as community. Madonna in my completely unbiased opinion has an awesome name. and it's called spike bax. That i think that's just great. I think it's you know we get the spike from the spike protein. And the vaccine the vaccination man that just rolls right off the top. Maybe like it sounds like a cable. Tv channel cinemax. I think it sounds pretty metal. My wife since it sounds like a knockoff mountain dew brand ben guerrino rates about health and science for the post on wednesday delta airlines announced that it will require employees to be vaccinated or face weekly testing any health insurance surcharge in a statement the airline. Ceo said that with the fda's full approval of the pfizer vaccine quote the time to get vaccinated is now my niece for ski produced. This story after the break or colleague. Tracy jan follows the money. We'll be right back. This podcast is supported by mass mutual. Listen to the first episode of the fair shares podcast host financial guru bullish kombi advices a mother juggling pandemic job loss and caring for her son with special needs so immediately after george floyd was murdered. You just heard from a bunch of corporations you have. Ceo's tweeting black lives matter many for the first time you had a corporations left and right releasing all sorts of racial justice pledges promising to spend millions of dollars to address quote systemic racism and quote. Tracy jane covers race and the economy for the post and when she saw all these promises coming out last year she had the same reaction that i think a lot of us had. She was skeptical. I was skeptical. You were all skeptical. Was this really anything. More than essentially a pr move for these companies to make these big pledges. So i forgot about all of these promises that these companies made. I think many of us forgot about them. But tracy and a team of reporters at the post actually went back to look at these promises and to see where the money went whether tens of billions of dollars pledged by these companies. Actually did anything to help. People of color lou focus on the top fifty the most valuable publicly traded companies that includes everything from apple facebook. You know. Johnson and johnson procter and gamble pfizer netflix. Pay pal all the big names that you will hear and even some that you may not know of so these were significant promises that we heard from these companies about how they were really going to change fundamentally where their money's going. What kinds of causes it. They're supporting in the wake of george flights death but now it's been a little bit over a year since we heard some of those promises and what has actually transpired kit up the understated. These are unprecedented commitments from corporate america towards the causes of racial justice. That's according to economists and historians who studied this and what we ended up finding. Was that case. There is like almost fifty billion dollars that were pledged more than ninety percent of that were actually in the form of loans and investments things that corporations could stand to profit from versus pure philanthropy which is fine. You know there's argument to be made that pure philanthropy can only do so much incorporations willing need to change. How they do business so is not necessarily a bad thing. But it's it's not fifty billion dollars in charity. We weren't surprised to see that. The vast majority went towards economic equality. I mean this is corporate america. This is their wheelhouse. They're going to be focusing on making loans to increase black home ownership they're donating to. Hsbc use their healthcare. Companies are doing things to address the racial racial health gap versus racial wealth gap but we were very surprised that such a tiny amount actually went towards addressing criminal justice reform the very cause at sent millions of people across the country to protest after floyd's murder. And what do you think that is. Why do you think that police reform in criminal justice reform are kind of this third rail for what corporations want to actually donate to be. It's very controversial right. The companies that did give to criminal justice reform. The vast majority of the gave to mass incarceration reform. So that's less controversial than sake. Defunding the police when you have these corporate titans tweeting black lives matter and you look at which organizations are tied to black lives matter. We found that only eight companies gave to those groups and one of the key platforms of some. The black lives matter. Groups is defunding the police and so that's something that corporate america may find a little bit were inflammatory and i'm curious. What else surprised you from what you saw in these numbers is surprise me that more than ninety percent of these commitments were actually in the form of investments. And the reason that surprises me is because that's an opportunity cost writes the fact that jp morgan chase pledged in additional twenty billion dollars to blogging. Latino borrowers in the form of home loans and business loans above what they were doing before. Bank of america pledge fifteen billion additional dollars in mortgages to black americans and the reason that surprise me is because you know in talking to j. p. morgan. They're saying this is the largest lending commitment we've made to black and latino borrowers in the history of j. p. morgan but the question is if it's a business opportunity. Why was this not being done before. So what you're saying. Is that basically a company that provides these loans would be making money off the loans. They'd be making interests and so in the past. They were leaving money on the table by not pushing in the direction of providing more of these loans to people who otherwise wouldn't be able to get it from them. That's exactly right. I mean in nineteen forty seven. President harry truman commissioned this federal civil rights committee and there is a big report done and there was chaired by the president of general electric. And that report pointed out how discrimination against black people drags down the us economy. So is the same point today. There is a business imperative. there's an economic imperative. Not just the racial justice imperative to address this. The racial wealth gap thinking back to last summer when these companies i made so many of these promises or made these big bold pronouncements about who they were going to help and how they were going to help and how this is a moment where they're really rethinking their their mission in the world. I mean i think a lot of us. I would say speaking for myself definitely. I felt a sense of skepticism about these promises and about whether these corporations really have the interests of black people at heart. Do you feel like there is reason for skepticism. Here is there a limitation to how much we should believe companies when they say that they are going to be donating infinite amounts of money to cause to help black people. I don't want to be completely cynical here. But i spoke openly with netflix and pay pal for example about their investments in black banks and they were very very honest about how difficult that was right. They thought that great. We're going to do this. Great thing we're gonna put all this capital they're going to infuse these black banks with Deposits and great. This is something that that flex started and other companies that are doing a lot of tech companies but we talked to the black banks. They're like we can't take on all this cash because we need equity and these corporations aren't really set up a lot of them to be able to give equity to b- long-term investors in these black banks. David martin wells fargo bank of america. They've given equity to these Smaller black banks but these other well-meaning companies that thought they were doing this great thing. They were seriously wrestling with it and they were trying to work with each bank that they were trying to deposit money in on how best to do it so that it actually benefits them. What do you think is the big takeaway of this story in terms of the state of our economic system as a country. One of the big takeaways here is that corporations alone cannot fix all the racial justice problems in this country. No matter how much people look to them you know in terms of their political platform all the money at their disposal. I mean the fact. That matter is the grants that they committed were amounted to less than one percent of their net profits of their net income earned last year so it wasn't even like it was a huge say financial commitment on their behalf. Even though it was unprecedented was really important. Is that in addition to committing money and chasing how business done they really have to look at in internally at their policies if you're a bank for example are hugh examining how you give loans. Are there racial disparities in the loans that you make if there are racial disparities in terms of who gets loans from your bank. Where's the problem coming. Is it the credit issue. Is it coming from appraisal. There's research that shows that with all of those things. There are racial disparities Black people are disadvantaged when it comes to obtaining credit at a affordable rate compared to white people even if they have the same financial background we have to look at their internal organization and their structure is the diversity of who's in charge but what types of policies are they promoting whether it's lending or advertising. Are they doing business with black suppliers. Many of these corporations actually have committed to spending millions of dollars more in future years with black suppliers. I think that will make a big difference in terms of opportunities for minority businesses tracy. Jan covers race in the economy for the post her reporting includes. Add breakdown with specifics. Of where the money came from and where it went. You should definitely check it out online. It's an exhaustive fascinating example of accountability journalism with a lot of nuance in the numbers will put a linked to tracy story in our show notes and at post reports dot com. The story was produced by jordan. Ray smith that's had proposed reports. Thanks for listening. Today's show was mixed by lena. Muhammed and rennie's spinoff sqi. We also want to update you on some late breaking news in a story that we've been following last night. The supreme court rejected the biden administration's efforts to end the remain in mexico program. That was a controversial policy started by president trump that forced people seeking asylum in the us to wait on the other side of the southern border in mexico. It is still not totally clear what this move by. The supreme court will mean for remain in mexico. But this news made us wanna share again a two part story that we ran last month about what living under this program is actually like for an asylum-seeker visakhapatnam academical cookies located on the enthusiasm human. There's a recording of nancy calling. Her family having already fallen into the hands of her kidnappers. And you can hear the stress in her voice. She's whispering in a low voice speaking very quickly giving instructions to her family. Basically telling them we've fallen into the hands of the us which is a dangerous cartel in northern mexico. You'll get commuter media-political moignan good india. Can you imitate yankee. That story is called. Marooned in matamoros will link to those episodes in our show notes and at post reports dot com. I'm martine powers. We'll be back tomorrow with more stories from the washington post. This podcast is supported by mass mutual. 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"From abc news. This is perspective this week stories. And why they matter. I'm sherry preston coming up the spread of the delta variant. How it's changing the course of the pandemic as long as the virus continues to spread you give it ample opportunity to mutate and when you give an ample opportunity to mutate you may sooner or later. Get another variant. What is happening in the air angry passengers out of control as the airlines. Try to figure out a solution. The faa is zero tolerance policy. And they've opened up thousands of investigations into unruly behavior. Most of these incidents really start with masks and service workers especially in tourist towns. They're proving this summer they're more essential than ever right now. I have approximately twenty five open possession. So we're looking at around seventy five associates to get us through the busy summer that we've ever seen all ahead on perspective. We've entered another new phase in the pandemic. let's call this one. The delta variant face the original corona viruses mutate a couple of times and this version is the most contagious. We've seen so far it's hitting younger and younger. People and once again proven deadly especially in areas where americans have chosen not to get vaccinated. One of them is travis campbell from bristol tennessee. After months of speaking out against the vaccine he came down with kobe and said this from his hospital room where he was put on oxygen this week to too or the one way found this would be the real truth. It's very serious. Strand shelters four detached. Those have issues have not been facts ninety five. Thank you have to find your number larger fine for every single breath. Dr anthony fao g wishes. It hadn't come to this because he and other public health officials have been saying all along. The vaccines are vital. People who say. I don't wanna get vaccinated because it's me and i'll worry about me. I'm not having any impact at anybody else. That's just not the case because when people don't get vaccinated allows the virus to circulate and then mutate as long as the virus continues to spread. You give ample opportunity to mutate and when you give an ample opportunity to mutate you may sooner or later. I get another variant. And that's where we are now if we continue to vaccinate and we get that ninety three million people who are eligible for vaccinations who have not been vaccinated in the immediate intermediate and long-term and do the mitigation right. Now we will turn the delta surge around. The vaccine is become political. And so has the wearing of masks. Listen to these parents debating a mask mandated their johnson county. Kansas school board was considering. This is not a monarchy or dictatorship. So stop acting like tyrants. This is no longer about health. This is about control out. Universal masking outbreaks will occur. We want to make sure that the policy will mean that most people will be masked in the end. The school board did pass the mandate some governors illinois. Jay pritzker have passed statewide mask requirements in public schools. Some like florida's rhonda santa's and texas greg. Abbott have passed statewide mask bands in public schools. And some like arkansas's. Ace hutchinson have passed mask. Bands are now trying to turn them around to let school boards decide. Schools should be the safe place to go. There's two ways to do it get vaccinated. Were really pushing. That in arkansas. For our high school kids knows above twelve but those under are very vulnerable. The delta variant is a concern to us and in the nation's hospitals. It feels like we are back right where we started doctors and nurses pushed to the brink and it never seems to end. Abc's marcus moore is in one hard hit region of the country in louisiana healthcare workers struggling to keep up as the state faces its highest number of hospitalizations. Since the pandemic began ninety percent of those hospitalized patients are unvaccinated exploding bursting at the seams influx of kobe patients is taking its toll. On the staff here at willis knighton medical center to be honest. I probably i most days and go home. And i'm tired. I've been doing this for a year and a half. It just feels like there's never going to be an end if you're not going to get the vaccine at least mask. Try to be part of the solution. Fifty eight thousand patients are now hospitalized across the country with colon nineteen eighteen to forty nine year olds accounting for forty one percent of them and concern growing about the most vulnerable children. Pediatric hospitalizations are now three and a half times higher than they were a month ago in memphis where two children died from. Covert a doctor. They're telling our affiliate w. the delta varian is to blame. I changed over the last week. And i started seeing an increasing number of kids admitted with cova. Abc's marcus more and louisiana public. Health officials have warned. The next six weeks in this country will be crucial with possibly as many as two hundred thousand infections per day. A strong possibility. A number. Not seen since the rollout of the vaccine. Those fights over masks schools. They're also happening in the skies. Airline passengers are getting more unruly. The faa tracking a big spike in incidents. Many of them triggered by mask mandates. Maybe you saw the video this week not related to masks ohio man who allegedly groped female flight attendants and punched a male. Flight attendant is outbursts. Just one of the many instances of bad behavior. We've seen on flights this year. His actions they say were caused by alcohol not masks. Abc transportation producer. Sam sweeney has been tracking all this and following what the airlines are doing to try to stop it. Let's say you are one of those flights and it's packed flight which a lot of them have been a lot of people wanna fly after the pandemic and you get one of these people on there who is just kind of going crazy. i mean. let's listen to what happened on a flight between philadelphia and miami this week. That is the sound of a guy being duct tape to his seat after he broke to flight attendants and then we're not stop yelling. And this is one of thousands of incidents that have been happening across the country passengers onboard planes behaving very very badly. Yeah that's twenty two year old. Max berry who has made international headlines with that incident on a frontier flight frontier even suspending the flight attendants saying they are handled improperly and then later backtracking and samuel. Now they're doing an investigation and that they support their flight attendants but like you said this is happening more than ever. The faa is zero tolerance policy. And they've opened up thousands of investigations into unruly behaviour this year alone which has reached a record high. Now we should mention that. Most of these incidents really start with masks people are accepted after. Wear them despite agreeing to it when they buy their ticket when they enter the airport when they go through security and then again when they get on the plane and then you have cases where people who are abiding by the rules are angry that passengers who are not abiding by the rules. An fights break out in those cases and then a lot of times. It's alcohol induced. The faa sending out a note airports across the country saying look. Tell your police officers. In the airports to start arresting these unruly passengers instead of questioning than and releasing them and also tell the restaurants and bars to stop serving alcohol to go because this is only fueling the problem. How many of these. Unruly passenger complaints are they're normally. And how many have there been in the past couple months in the last year. The faa has taken zero. Tolerance stance against unruly passengers and the airlines are filing more reports than ever just since january. First thirty seven hundred reports of unruly behaviour had been reported and we get an update each week just in the last week. There's been more than one hundred reports now. Twenty seven hundred of those are refusing to wear a mask. It used to be flying was it. Was it was luxurious. Back in the sixties seventies what have passengers been telling you about the whole experience of flying general. We have been in a stressful year and a half people are stressed and for the people who are flying for many of them. It's the first time they've been on a plane in a year and a half so they're already worked up. Tensions are high and now they're forced to wear a mask from the moment they get out of their car the curb all the way until they pick up their bags while back out onto the curb at the airport so it can be hours. There's a lot to deal with and people just need to slow down. Take a deep breath and get through it for the most part if you are going to fly the likelihood of you seeing one of these incidents is slimmed. There are a lot of planes in the sky right now and while we highlight these unruly passenger incidents. You are likely to get to your destination with no problems. Sam sweeney transportation producer at abc news. Thank you so much really broke down or as well. Thanks for having me anytime. Charlotte bennett is a former aide to new york governor andrew cuomo and one of the eleven women accusing him of sexual misconduct. Her allegations corroborated by new york attorney. General letitia james who announced the findings of her four month long investigation this week. Charlotte's not the only one calling for governor cuomo's resignation. A lot of democrats are calling for it all the way up to the president of the united states. They say it's time for him to go. The allegations were shocking to a lot of people. But what does it mean for new york for the me too movement for the victims of sexual assault and harassment. Abc's aaron katersky is followed this investigation closely for many months. We talked about this week aaron. Let's start off by just for people who have not read the entire report and and have not looked into it. There's a lot to uncover there. Can you give us a cliff notes. Version of what. It tastes so much. In fact sherry that i think that even the most jaded new yorkers were somewhat shocked and surprised by what they read the independence investigation found. That governor cuomo's sexually harassed multiple women many of whom were young women by engaging an unwanted groping kisses hugging and by making inappropriate comments the attorney general's investigative report substantiated sexual harassment claims made by eleven women nine of whom are current or former state employees with whom he had an ongoing work relationship by nature of their job. In the in. The governor's office or even with some women he had only met once. The report also included an allegation. We hadn't heard before involving a state trooper. A member of the governor's own security detail who was sexually harassed on a number of occasions. The report said even transferred into her role as a member of the governor's personal security staff at the governor's direction even when she might not have otherwise been eligible for such a promotion. And i think what a lot of people were taken aback by. Were the governor's own comments after what happened. The new york times published the front page picture of me touching a woman's face at a wedding and then kissing her on the cheek. That is not front page news. I've been making the same gesture in public all my life. I actually learned that from my mother and from my father the videotape statement that the governor had prepared to respond. I included abroad. Denial he said this is not who he is. He specifically addressed and allegation of groping the the reports said he had reached under a woman's blouse and grabbed her breasts and the governor said flatly. That did not happen but he also addressed at length. The claims made by charlotte bennett. Who was an aide in. The governor's office a young woman that the governor insisted he was only trying to help after he learned that she had suffered through a period of of sexual abuse in a prior period. Her life that the governor suggested that perhaps he had some experience with this because a relative suffered through sexual abuse and maybe he thought he could help her through it. That is clearly not how charlotte bennett took. Those interactions named me and said that i simply misinterpreted what he had said but His line of questioning was not appropriate. He was coming onto me and he insinuated that survivors of trauma and sexual assaults. Can't tell the difference between mentorship and leadership. He accused the his accusers of weaponising casual interactions and he played this very odd montage of him hugging and kissing and embracing different luminaries in the state and charlotte. Bennett's attorney said still does not get it. he still wants to blame the victim. and shockingly. He blamed his mother for teaching him how to kiss people inappropriately. What is this due to the me too movement. Do you think he was seen as somebody who was kinda championing early on very much. Champion champion of the metoo movement of believing women but as he was saying all those things publicly according to what we now read in the report he was behind some of the very same conduct. And i think for the women involved to hear the state attorney general. The tea should james say that she believes the women substantiate their claims. But it it really. I think raises some questions about what the state is actually going to do as one state lawmaker. Put it to us this week sherry the writings on the wall and and finally what does it mean to the cuomo family legacy and all i could think of is i grew in those years was my mother my father and how they got through it. How you how did they manage to do it. How do they eventually manage the have four children yet. The mall educated. The former governor obviously scott bridge named after him and all sorts of other things but what are the due to the komo name. Andrew cuomo idolized his father. I think that's been quite clear public statements and and how his friends and associates seat but more than that. He wanted to outlast his father's legacy. His father served three terms as governor of new york. Andrew komo's and his third term and he really wants a fourth seems. Now that that's very much in doubt. Next year he's up for well would be up for reelection whether it will be possible for him to run and we know that he's trying to calculate whether he has support left but it's very difficult right now to see him as anything other than politically isolated okay. Abc's aaron katersky. Thanks so much good conversation. Fake sherri as workers. Prepare to return to offices this fall. A lot of companies have said they will require vaccines for their employees. Google microsoft amazon and the walt disney company parent company. Abc news or all doing it. But how do you ask someone about their vaccine. Status is doing so a violation of somebody's hippo. Writes those privacy rules that supposedly protect your medical information. What are hip rights exactly. They're not what you might think. Abc news health and science reporter. Aaron shoemaker wrote a story about it this week for abc news dot com. Can you explain just a little bit about hippo rights. What they are. What's covered and what's not so hippest stands for the health insurance portability and accountability act. Privacy is not actually in even in the name of the law It's a nineteen ninety-six federal law. It's basically super widely cited and just as widely misunderstood. I mean eh sense. It prevents certain specific entities like hospitals health insurance companies health companies general and a few other from sharing your protected health information without your permission but it's also super chorus and Absolutely does not say anywhere that people cannot ask you about your tax nation status. That's patently false. An example of a an entity that's covered under hip. A would be your doctor. Your doctor for example cannot share your blood test results without permission. Your pharmacist can't call up your employer and tell them what medications you're on like there are some incentives any which your health information is protected but it's much narrower than most people think and it's typically covers health insurance companies healthcare providers health practitioners not private citizens not employers usually so the experts that you talked about say the main misuse of hip is by entities. Who want to kind of hide the ball. If they feel that they have numbers are going to make them look bad and one of the things that they talk about is what happened in nursing homes in the early days of covert explained a little bit more about that something. I've actually run up against as a health reporter a number of times over the course of my career even prior to code Know go to a hospital. And i asked for some information about what's happening there. And they say they can't give me that information. It hippo hippo only covers identifiable patient information so in the case of kobe there were major outbreaks at nursing homes and journalists. Were asking the hospital. How many patients died in your hospital. That's not covered under hit but they can absolutely give you the identified number of plan to death and in some instances. I think that the health law experts agreed with me. I think that some entities are using it to their advantage there purposely sort of misunderstanding or misusing this law in order to hide numbers. That don't necessarily look good for them. They're absolutely our privacy concerns. A lot of this has just about whether or not things are covered under this specific law. So when we're talking about being asked about your vaccination status like there are actually some legally dicey things about asking those questions but it's just not covered under hit by and i think that's what people misunderstand most not that there aren't privacy concerns. It's not the other laws a couple of privacy. It's just that hit is so much more narrow than people understand. Aaron shoemaker has written this article called what is a hippo violation. Could find that on. Abc news dot com. Thanks aaron thank you so much coming up businesses desperate for workers. Why are they so hard to find this summer. More on that on perspective after this staying informed has never been more important. Get information is coming at us faster than ever. So how do you make sense of. It'll start here. hey. I'm brad mielke from abc news. In every weekday we will break down the latest headlines in just twenty minutes straightforward reporting dynamic interviews and analysis from experts. You can trust always credible always solid start here from abc news twenty minutes every weekday on your smart speaker or your favorite podcast app from abc news. This is perspective this week stories and why they matter. I'm sherry preston coming up at olympics unlike any other and the titanic shakeup in the world of soccer but first we got the last month's unemployment numbers this week almost a million new jobs created in july and the unemployment rate has fallen to five point. Four percent a better than expected. Report as the country treads carefully forward throughout the summer. A lot of americans have returned to their favorite vacation spots but many of those places have been scrambling to find workers in the few months of the year. They can really make money. Abc's dear bolton traveled to rehoboth beach delaware this summer to bring us the story. Benjamin gray has called this stretch along the atlantic home his entire life working at the bell more in and spine rehoboth beach delaware for the last seven years. Nothing compares to the stress. He sees this summer. The tourism industry in the past year loan has skyrocketed. What is it. Ben like then for you to meet demands typically for this hotel we have anywhere from ninety to one hundred employees on a regular basis and this summer are currently right now. I have approximately twenty five open possessions. So we're looking at around seventy five associates to get through. The busiest summer that we've ever seen is desperate to fill those empty positions. People aren't coming through the door to apply for the jobs order. Show up for their interview. They make an interview of women and then they just don't show up last two weeks alone. I had sixteen. No-shows interviews be had thirty appointments and out of those thirty people. We had ten show. That's crazy hotels restaurants and other businesses that survived the pandemic are now facing a new challenge struggling to find and hire employees. They need job. Openings in the us have soared with more than nine million positions available in places like rehoboth beach which sees four million visitors. During the june. July and august peak. The struggle to find workers is everywhere. The drive down coastal highway. Which is the primary highway that'll get you to every single beach and in the state of delaware you'll notice everybody that has a marquee. We'll say now hiring their wages range anywhere from thirteen dollars an hour all the way to twenty two dollars an hour with also a signing bonus. If they're willing to give you a thousand dollars to come into the door. While some potential workers are juggling childcare issues others remain concerned about cuvette infection. Risks and many states like delaware are still offering extended unemployment benefits through the end of august. Just a block in from the beach and one of the busiest parts of the boardwalk sits dali's candy land. It's been in tom. Ibex family for almost a hundred years. The third generation maker of sweets now headstone his shop at five thirty in the morning to start pulling that famous salt water taffy the us to employ twenty five to thirty people now. He makes it alone. Are your hours different. And yet they're much different than they used to be like a twelve to fifteen hours a day. Seven days a week i used to work. Maybe somewhere between nine and eleven. But we've got to make the business run down the boardwalk you can find fun lands where another longtime family owned business. Feeling many of the same stresses we have more people than any of those previous sixty summers but we just don't quite have the staff to be able to accommodate them instead. Cleveland land alums has stepped up. Veronica evans saw facebook post about employees. Needed answered the call. There's a group called vineland. Employees past and present one of the family members had posted. Hey alumni we've been seeing you liking our post about needing employees basically. We're going to call you on your bluff. I that seriously you'll take a forty seven year old. And they said we're willing to be super flexible. Runako worked at funland after her sophomore year of high school in one thousand nine hundred ninety helping the summer would be well kind of fun. I've worked in the rise. I've worked the games. I've done the ticket. Even though veronica was willing to go back there just aren't enough workers like her as we go through the month of august. We're going to have to selectively close games and writes Because we just won't have this after on them. We certainly want to accommodate as many of our customers as possible. But there's a limit to what you can do. Deirdre told me a little more about how hard it is for these businesses to find employees. And why not one simple answer are but i have heard of variety of reasons that even when i speak with the business owners they have also give me examples of their employees particular situations. Obviously schools are not in session in the summer. Not off camps were up running so there is still a childcare issue that is rooming over people's heads but in other cases i had business owners. Tell me you know what i have a young mom. She has young kids. This year was such a nightmare for her with home schooling even though she's going to have to spend less on groceries she just wanted to be home with her kids. There is also continuing concerns about axa nation status. There are tons of people who may live with somebody who has immuno-compromised not. Everybody was ready to be out and dealing with the public. You know there's also the question which became a very political issue of the states that continued unemployment benefits now. There are many people who say that is not the sole factor but there are some business owners who told me. I can't help think that maybe that's playing a role another big part that we really didn't talk about that much are the j. one visa holders and so the wine allows foreign students to come and work in the us for three months and toward for one month and because of the pandemic a lot of our embassies were closed worldwide so their paperwork couldn't be processed and in rehoboth beach delaware. Four specific businesses told me that they said you know in two thousand nineteen. They had something like sixty j. One visa workers last year. Obviously they had none this year due to bureaucratic lowness paper processing. They had two or three and they said that was a huge part of the workforce. That was missing. You mentioned one of the reasons. People are afraid to come back is back seen status. What are you finding out about businesses. And how they are mandating shots. Businesses are really between a rock and a hard place. Let me just. I say feebly. These are from legal. Experts have spoken west at length about the topic. So legally you're employer. Ken mandate that. You get vaccinated period paragraph. there are two exceptions to that one is for health reasons and the second is for religious reasons but in both cases an employee who chooses not to get vaccinated wild his or her employer has mandated. It must prove either the necessary health consideration paperwork or the necessary religious consideration. Paperwork companies are trying to navigate. This many are trying different levels. And i think a lot of companies have upped their requirements with the delta variant. So for example we have most tech firms like facebook. Google twitter uber disney the parent company of abc news. Saying you're working for us. You need to be vaccinated sharing when i spoke with smaller business owners though. They're really clear they're going one step for thinking of two restaurants that are based in new york. One is has well one is high end so on the casual side. You have danny meyer's shake shack. He says not only if your employees you need to be vaccinated. You need to be vaccinated. If you're a customer bella. Down which is a super high. End french restaurant eric. Who's the executive chef co owner. He says the same say he was extremely clear. He said if you're an employee and you don't want to be vaccinated that's fine. You cannot work here deirdre thank you so much for breaking it down for us. We appreciate it. Thank you the twenty twenty. Summer olympic games in tokyo didn't happen without serious controversy many questioning whether the games should have gone on at all given japan's low vaccination rate and the numbers of people who've been infected with the corona virus. Abc's kenneth moton is covered pretty much every corner of the olympics while in tokyo and offered his thoughts on friday just as the games were beginning to wrap up. Can you were there for a lot of the most dramatic moments of these olympics. What what's your take this year. what a year. I mean the masks. The pandemic simone biles give us a rundown sherry. Something that we've never seen before a delayed plagued olympics. And i actually said. Expect the unexpected when it came to these olympics because we didn't know when we landed here in tokyo what was going to happen. We knew when it came to cobourg protocols. They were pretty strict. I couldn't go out into public spaces. I couldn't walk on the sidewalks. I couldn't eat restaurants which is really tough for me. You know me sherry so when it came to what we saw here. You don't think i'll ever experienced anything like it again. What were the most exciting moments. Do you think of these delayed olympics. Simone biles was the biggest story of these olympics. I think and that's because all eyes were on this young woman who we had such high expectations and she came in here and we were expecting so much and then she said no. I'm having an issue. I'm going to work on myself. I don't care if billions of people are watching me. My mental health comes first and then when she was ready she decided to get back on the horse or balance beam. She delivered a solid routine and walked away with an olympic medal. And what we saw is other athletes talking about mental health. So during the press conferences after a lot of these athletes competed. the american ones. Were asked about. Simone biles asked about mental health and they really opened up. They had honest conversations and for many of them at a young age. We know what age gymnast start at. Very young and four simone biles to say now that she's an adult. She has her own voice and for her to say. Look we are human beings. We are not just for entertainment and i just think that was so powerful and another thing the story of suny lee going up there the first among american to win gold i mean she was amazing and because simone biles stepped aside it gave her a chance and other athletes a chance to step in. I mean michaela skinner. She never even expected to be doing the vault and she took home a metal. I spoke with michaela. Skinner and she thought her elite gymnastics career was over. But here you have this athlete. Who had a chance. She wanted another chance he put it on instagram. It's like speaking into existence. And what does she do with it. She medaled there was a lot of athletes here. But i just look at what happened with gymnastics. And it's just such an incredible story and a you mention suny lee the mung community and minnesota where she's from in saint paul. They are celebrating her and they should. All americans should be celebrating her as i first mung american on the olympic team and meddling inspiring the best thing about the olympics. Every four years or five years this year can is these stories and these sports that we did not know existed. I mean you know competitive canoeing Skateboarding this year. My favorite rock climbing and bouldering. How awesome are those sports. I was at rock climbing. And i was the camp counselor twenty years ago and we had a rock climbing wall and i became the master that summer of the rock climbing wall. This is not the same sherry these. These are olympic athletes. Who are speeding up a wall and they average around six seconds to get up that wall and to see them bouldering other things. I thought that i should put down the orioles. I was eating and go work out a little bit. Also i went to a karate match because karate debuted here the olympics i actually had a karate lesson the local say karate tae by the way and it was really a great cultural experience because karate is so important to the japanese culture originating from okinawa. And have it here. The olympics for the first time here at tokyo was really special to the japanese people and those athletes have worked so hard for this as they do every four years again. Five years for this one. Thank you for bringing us all their stories. Appreciated kenneth and enjoy your last few days in tokyo. I appreciate it. And one thing i'll say share is that we talked to athletes. Who tested positive. Here you would think after years of training it would be the most detrimental horrible thing and and it's bad for them but the spirit and the resiliency. I saw out of those athletes. Who yes they were not going to get to compete yes. They were crushed but they still delivered this very uplifting team. Usa olympic spirit. That should tell people lot about how they should live. Is you know when you're down when you've been hit and it feels like you can't get back up just take a step back and realize there's a bigger picture here and i feel like that's what those athletes were doing and they were all rooting for their respective teams. I just think they're spirit. And how they act and how behaved says a lot about them and about the olympics. Finally most of us have been watching the olympics last couple of weeks but this week there has been a titanic shakeup in the soccer world. Abc news producer. Anthony ali asked the story. It's like watching michael jordan. Suit up for the wizards. Where joe montana. Donna chiefs but if you don't follow the ins and outs of soccer you might have missed lionel messi split with f c barcelona barcelona announced this week that messy would be leaving the club where he's played since he was just thirteen years old nicknamed la bulga or the flea for short stature. He captivated millions with his creative style of play weaving in and out of opposing defenses and drawing comparisons to fellow argentinian and barcelona legend diego maradona. Who died last november. Macy's barcelona's all time leader in games played and goals scored. He was the club's captain league. Liga's all time leader in goals. He also won the award for the best player in the world. A record six times. So why exactly is he leaving. Espn's barcelona correspondent. sam marston. explains that wasn't agreement with with messy over new contract within. The problem is with the spending imposed by lalita which means they will not be able to register. Lino macy's new deal with league so in the blame on the league curriculum barcelona's president john addresses the media after it was announced that messy would be leaving las vegas good. We all wanted him to stay for some of those him. Right now is a situation in which he has to confront reality simply put. Barcelona says they can't afford to keep their best player for the spanish league. It represents the loss of its biggest star. Macy's the third superstar leave. Spain in recent years following christiana rinaldo in two thousand eighteen and brazilian icon neymar in two thousand seventeen for soccer. As a whole it's a seismic shift in the balance of power in favor of the team that manages to sign messy. Espn says francis pari sundermann have already made contact with the star. England's manchester city has also been rumored to be interested as well a return to barcelona is still technically possible. The message departure would mark the end of an era for the club and spanish soccer. He won everything there was to win during his twenty one years with barcelona but seeing him put on a different jersey for the first time. We'll be jarring for fans of the sport nonetheless reporting perspective. I'm anthony ali. Abc news from abc. News this has been perspective. Thanks for listening. If you want to listen to any of our past shows you can subscribe to the perspective podcast. Give us a review. If you've got the time tell us what you like. And what you'd like to hear in the future you can find it on apple podcast spotify stitcher or wherever you. Listen to your podcast. You can also find perspective other. Abc news shows abc news. Podcasts dot com. Perspective is produced by eric. Malo for abc news. I'm sherry preston.

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"From the newsroom of the washington post this is post reports. I'm maggie penman sitting in for martin powers. You will still hear her later in the show. She taped a conversation about a question she had is. Nbc ruining the olympics. Coming in hot That's coming up later. We're going to also start answering some of your questions about the delta search it is a surge that we haven't really seen the likes of since february but on this wednesday august fourth one of the biggest stories is the fallout from an announcement yesterday afternoon from new york. General letitia james. The investigation found that governor andrew cuomo sexually harass current and former new york state employees by engaging an unwelcome and nonconsensual touching and making numerous offensive comments of a suggestive sexual nature. Earlier this year. Three women had come forward and publicly accused the new york governor of sexually harassing them. A lot hazrati covers media for the post. He eventually referred the allegations to the new york attorney general and she launched an independent investigation back in march. And what we heard. Yesterday were the findings of months of investigating by an outside probe essentially they interviewed one hundred seventy nine individuals including the governor his inner circle as well as the accusers and they poured through thousands of documents as well. And what other significant things did this report find. This report essentially found that not only did the governor sexually harass eleven people including current and former state employees but also that he created a hostile work environment for women and that violates state and federal law. It's a really damning report. It substantiated several of the allegations and also sort of painted a portrait of an abusive in retaliatory. Office crying to kind of get back at some of those who step forward The report also sort of gives us more details into how the governor and his inner circle were trying to scramble and figure out how to respond publicly to these allegations when they came out earlier. This year we're talking february and march including text messages and email. So people really could see how they were communicating about this and on tuesday president biden called for governor cuomo to resign. But first i'd like to start with the news of the day given back in march you said that if the investigation confirmed the allegations against governor cuomo then he should resign. So we'll you now call on him to resign. Given the investigator said the eleven women were credible. Statement are now calling on him to resign. That feels pretty extraordinary for the president from his own party to call for that. I'm wondering has. The governor responded to any of that pressure. How has he responded to this report. After the report was released he put out a pre taped video message. I wish nothing but good for you and for all survivors of sexual assault and he also put out a document essentially that part included photos of him and other people hugging and kissing people at public events in part to demonstrate that. Oh you know. I'm just really affectionate and this is just how i am with everybody. I do kiss on the forehead. I do kiss people on the beach. I do kiss people on the hand. I do embrace people. I do hug people. He defended himself. Said that this is not who i am. I am a champion of sexual assault survivors. He did mention a couple of the accusers by name. But he's been kind of defiant as not indicated that he's going to step down. Even though many members of his party have called for him to do so he put that out before. The president said that he should resign. And that's just a follow through on what president had said earlier. About what the attorney. General in new york may find if she found this to be the case that he should resign that something that the president said that he would call for and so he did so chris. Cuomo the cnn anchor. Who is also the governor's brother. His name is also trending today. What's going on there. We already knew that chris cuomo had privately advised his brother and joined like a inner circle of people on how to respond to this back in february and march But now we know a little bit more about his involvement in this because the report details it. The report also includes interviews with chris cuomo now. Cnn provided wall to wall coverage yesterday about the report and the fallout interestingly enough. It was chris. Cuomo's colleague who asked president biden weather. Andrew cuomo should resign but the one place where it wasn't a big story was on chris cuomo's show primetime nine pm show. I'm chris cuomo. Welcome to prime time. We're focused on covert here especially until we get the delta variant under control and made no mention of whatsoever kind of going in line with what he has said previously about not being able to cover his brother and it's no surprise that he didn't mention it at all but he's actually involved in this huge major news story and may know sort of mention of it on air and it was rarely mentioned on cnn yesterday. That one of their big anchors is part of the story but away. I remember early in the pandemic. When chris cuomo was interviewing his brother the governor frequently on his show and it was very jocular and they made reference to the fact that they were brothers and two had this back and forth on. Tv picture dow. Pour it back up various. And here's why. I'm doing it for these guys because this is the guy who helped me shape who i am today. Look how. I was looking at him so lovingly. Back then i so how. Cnn defending this double standard. So cnn has previously defended. Those appearances saying there is a strict firewall. Chris cuomo does not cover his brother because of the conflict of interest but the pandemic was an extraordinary moment. people were dying. We're talking about the governor of the hardest hit state and so we made an exception in that case to allow them to talk about the pandemic and the response because it was a great human interest But you know. They faced criticism for allowing that especially in light of what's happened since so. What are you looking for next. Both from the governor but also from cnn. I think everyone's watching to see how the governor is going to respond to all of these calls for him to resign. This state assembly up there in new york. They are proceeding with impeachment proceedings. So we'll see. What happens there regarding chris. Cuomo and cnn. I'm expecting to see cnn. Still really go hard on this story but increasingly people are wondering. How is it that chris. Cuomo was not punished for advising the governor previously. Were how tenable. His situation is at the network But it looks like the network is standing by him. So i'm not sure whether this will pass for him or you know whether he'll will have to address it in some form or another hands. Id covers media for the post savvy. Robinson produced this story. let's talk about delta new infections. Continue to skyrocket. Louisiana now has the highest number of cova nineteen cases in the country per capita. The state is back at a point where hospitals are having to cancel elective surgeries and doctors and nurses are being called back from summer vacations. And when you come inside. Our walls is quite obvious to you that these are the darkest days of this pandemic. We are no longer giving adequate care patients. That's catherine o'neill the chief medical officer at our lady of the lake regional medical center which is louisiana's largest private hospital. Louisiana's governor has called for statewide indoor mask mandate as we've seen in other places vaccinated people don't seem to be playing a big role in the spread happening there but we're also hearing more about delta plus a variant that experts think could be even more transmissible than the original one cases of dealt plus have been found in countries including the us uk an india. It's unnerving there's no getting around. A lot of people are wondering how or whether to change plans. Former president barack obama was supposed to have a big birthday party this weekend. He turned sixty today. A now that's being pulled back to just family and close friends and this theme of whether to change plans came up a lot when we asked for your questions earlier this week i post reports says joseph burke hammond from chicago my fiance and i were supposed to get married. In september twenty twenty which we of course cancelled it moved to september twenty twenty one hoping it would be safe a month ago. We felt comfortable with our plan to have about one hundred ten vaccinated unmasked people in a closed space. But now we're not so sure. Should we move to a venue outdoor options or more airflow should. We can't solve together. Are we probably for all vaccinated. And there's no need to change course with love any guidance you can offer. So let's get into some answers. We asked science reporter bengal reno to help us puzzle through this so i'm really reluctant to give. Yes or no safety answers. I know that's not what a lot of people want to hear. But i would instead encourage people to think about the risks and benefit. I mean gathering with friends and family to celebrate something as important as a wedding like that that is a benefit and that doesn't necessarily have to discounted out of hand but i will say first of all predicting where the pandemic is going to be in. The fall is really tough to do. When i talked to disease trackers last week about the course of this summer surge. They were very reluctant to project. Anything months out in advance we just. We don't know how people will be behaving. We don't know whether there will be a new variant that emerges. We don't know what the community transmission is going to be like so with those features in mind what you can assess for something like a wedding you know you can think about well. Is everyone for sure vaccinated. Will people wear masks. Will there be anyone there who is at risk for severe disease. Will there be children who may not be vaccinated. Will there be servers. Will people be wearing masks. So you kind of have to figure out especially if you're in charge of an event like a wedding. What is your comfort level. Are you comfortable with the risk however small and you know we can make risks smaller by taking these precautions but the reality is the virus is spreading at least right now And in all likelihood will be in the fall but who knows at what level and just kind of pay attention to what that spread is like in the community that your your guests will be traveling to and and where you're holding this event. Maybe not what people want to hear. But that makes sense Let's hear another question. This is only gabrielson from chicago. I'm curious to know how the cdc knows that. The delta variant is surging. I personally have been tested for covert a number of times over the last year including as recently as a week ago and there doesn't seem to have been any transition from testing for regular coveted to suddenly testing for delta variant. So i'm curious to know where the data that shows that the delta very into surging is coming from so this question gets to the heart of something called genomics surveillance and that's a technical sounding term for basically surveying the corona virus. So you can think of it. A little bit how someone might take a poll or survey of americans to get their political preference but instead of using a phone what scientists will do is. They'll sequence the genome of the corona virus and. It doesn't have to be everyone. So you personally may not have had your virus sequence but what is happening is that samples are sent to a lab and scientists can look through the genes of the corona virus and there are unique markers that make delta delta and so by doing that enough taking enough samples scientists have a very good idea which variant is dominant. And and right now that's delta and you can combine that with epidemiological modelling to fill in some of those gaps. Especially because genomic surveillance isn't as great as it could be. The united states has lagged throughout the pandemic behind places like the united kingdom where they have a more robust genetic surveillance program. But we're getting better and we know from those samples that delta is the one that spreading. Now it's what scientists might cause the most fit form of the corona virus out there interesting so we have another question from a listener in maine. This is david crane in york maine. I'm wondering whether the seventy percent of the country that is now vaccinated when combined with the millions of americans who are gaining immunity through their exposure to an infection from the delta variant may not be reaching herd immunity. Wouldn't that be awesome. So i think david is referring to the seventy percent of eligible americans who have now gotten at least one shot which was announced this week by the white house. So i'm really curious to hear what you think about that band like. Are we getting closer to herd immunity or is this still really far away. Yeah oh this. This elusive herd immunity. Goal i mean it's so tough to say i mean the the first short answer is yes. Each person who develops an immune response to the corona virus makes cronin virus harder to spread the more people who get vaccinated and unfortunately the more people who get infected and produce all kinds of immune fighters against future infection. That's like an immune wall that were starting to build. What exact percentage there is. I've asked people. And the consensus among experts is. There's not a hard and fast percentage. It's not like us flip switch and then all of a sudden the corona virus doesn't circulate anymore but with our wall that is growing it gets harder and harder for it to do. I will say there is some question about how long these various immune responses last. There's this concept that readers may have heard of described as antibodies waning a. And that's because your immune just it costs resources and energy to keep making antibodies so your immune system doesn't want to do that so over time. Antibodies will wayne. That said you have other types of immune fighters that maybe haven't been in the headlines quite as much there a little bit harder to study but there things called t. cells which can recognize and kill infected cells and memory b cells which are the ones that help produce new antibodies and those are the ones that will last and in the small but growing body of evidence that that i've seen those do persists. So i think that is a optimistic thing for us to keep in mind as more people get vaccinated Another big concern for a lot of people including some of our listeners was whether vaccinated people can catch and pass on the delta varian even if they have no symptoms. What can you tell us about that. There is some emerging evidence that the delta variant may be more likely to be spread through vaccinated people. But it's hard to say. I certain so what we know about the ways that the virus escapes the immune system in the lab. It doesn't seem that the delta variant has any sort of souped up ability to evade immune responses on the other hand because it's more transmissible in general we know that delta is the most common variant being spread around the united states. The people who get breakthrough infections whether or not delta is more likely to cause one are more likely to get delta if you can kind of think of the odds of a vaccine person getting a breakthrough infection may still be pretty low. But if they're going to get one right now it's probably going to be delta because there's just so much delta in the us that's being spread and are those vaccinated people who are catching the delta variant getting any sicker or is the vaccine still protecting people against the most serious illness. The vaccines are very good at preventing severe illness and death. And that seems pretty clear. There does not necessarily seem to be a whole ton of evidence about delta. Even though it feels like we've been hearing about delta for a long time it's still you know. It's one of the newer variants to be spreading through the united states. Scientists are still learning about it and hospitalizations lag behind cases. So it slower for this to appear what is clear. Is that the folks who are getting sick right now. Tend to be younger and healthier than those in the past. So the vaccination rates are really high and really good among the older and vulnerable population. Who are more likely to get the most severe effects of covert. I know that was a lot of words to say. We don't really know for sure. I think the jury is still out there. It's it's not clear that it causes more severe disease. But if you know it's another reason why if you're in an area with high community transmission really think about wearing a mask when you go grocery shopping you're in a crowded building you don't cove it. Even even a mild case so should vaccinated people be getting tested if they have a cold symptom or feel like it might have been exposed. I think that's a good idea. I mean i know where. I happen to live in new york city. They still offer free walk in tests. So if i have the sniffles or something. I'm fully vaccinated but i might go get tested just to make sure that i don't have the virus. I think the peace of mind is worth it. I know that the cdc recently updated its recommendations they used to say that if you're vaccinated and you're around someone who knows that they have co vid. You didn't need to get tested if you didn't show symptoms now they're saying whether or not you show symptoms and you have. There's a known exposure get tested. I think that's a good idea. Okay and our last listener. Question comes from alan ball. The province town cluster shows us. That code can live in be spread by people who were vaccinated if that's the case mclovin delta variant can remain in a vaccinated populace. Does that mean wherever gonna be free of it. Whatever away yeah. I know i i. I totally get that sentiment. I will say that breakthrough infections although no one wants to see them. They're not surprising. We know that the vaccines protect against severe illness and death really well. That's what they were designed to do what they don't do as well as nip an infection right in the bud. I don't know that exact statistics of the province town outbreak off the top of my head. But i don't think very many people got that sick at all and that's great. That's really important for people to keep in mind. Unfortunately the corona virus looks as though it's going to be another type of infection that humans get there's a phrase that that scientists used to describe this kind of virus it they call it endemic so it might be something like the flu where instead of the flu season and in the future we have flu and covert season unfortunately the silver lining there. Is we have robust vaccines. We have a really incredible technology. This 'em are a tool that we didn't have before i'm an mri. Vaccines can be re-jigger to help protect against future emerging variants so we might have to live alongside. Cove it in the future. But it's going to not be so dominant the way it is now it's going to be. It's going to be something in all likelihood like the flu. According to the the experts that i've talked to. I guess that's some sort of comfort. It's not the the vanquishing of a disease that we all hoped for. But i struggled to see it getting as bad as it was in the in the winter and last year. Where we we had to do lockdowns again and things like that so well thank you so much for taking the time to answer these questions ben. Thank you maggie ben. Guerrino is a health and science reporter for the post mathov produced this segment. We got a lot of questions from you about schools and kids and we're going to try and answer some of those next week with an education reporter if you have a question about how to keep kids safe as they head back to school this fall. Send us voice memo to post reports at wash. Post dot com. We'll be right back eight years ago. Journalists austin thais was abducted in syria while covering that country's ongoing conflict. It's time for the united states government to bring him home helped. Bring attention to austin's case by wearing a free austin thais bracelet from the washington. Post press freedom partnership available free at walpole dot s. t. slash thais. Let's get back now to that question. Martine powers had four ben strauss. He covers sports and media for the post and martinez had some trouble watching the olympics. So she wanted to know is nbc. Ruining the olympics. You guys are coming in hot. is nbc ruining the olympics. The question we all wanna know I don't think so. i think it's a. It's a fairly difficult thing. They are broadcasting olympics. That are happening half a day ahead of time they are also trying to build a streaming service which is the future of their business which is peacock while also maintaining the cash flows of what remains their biggest moneymaker which is linear television. And so it's a fairly tricky position. That doesn't mean consumers are happy and i think every every two years really we get drumbeat of what is nbc. Doing wrong you know. How do i find the sports. So it might not be the most consumer-friendly operation but i think the main criticism we've heard is. Where do i find the sports that i want to watch. And why can i not watch them live. We've seen a couple types. We've seen this with the men's basketball team. We've also seen this with the track events. The one hundred meter men's final these are live on peacock versus live on linear tv. And it's a fairly tricky process to figure out where you can watch the stuff that you wanna watch. And we've seen consumers and fans of the olympics take to social media and you know the hashtag no peacock and complain about nbc strategy. Here and complain about not being able to find the stuff that they wanna watch. So then what do we know about how many people are actually watching or at least attempting to watch the olympics right now. Yeah it's it's a lot fewer people than normal so the opening ceremony. Tokyo drew sixteen point seven million viewers and that accounts for both the live morning broadcast and the replay in prime time. And that's the smallest audience for an opening ceremony over thirty years. That's down from twenty six. And a half million who watched the event in rio and two thousand sixteen and down from forty million people who watched the london ceremony. That's twenty twelve so we're seeing significantly. Lower numbers than the olympics is traditionally drawn now before we take that just as an apples to apples comparison. We should note. I the time difference. London and rio didn't have the same of being a full half day behind the way we are with tokyo and the other one is just the universe of tv watching his smaller so between two thousand sixteen and twenty twenty one where we are now we. We've lost eleven million homes that have cable subscription or satellite subscription so there are just fewer people watching television the same way that they did in in two thousand sixteen in. That's going to have a big impact on the numbers. You know even a perfect world where the olympics are incredible. And there's fans and simone biles winning gold medals the is going to be almost certainly down anyway just because you're looking at a small university people but do you think that there is a larger reason for those numbers being down that goes beyond just the number of people who are subscribing to cable or the time difference that there is less of an excitement at least in an american audience about watching olympics. Live i think these olympics have struggled to generate the excitement. We've had sometimes unusual with in previous olympics. We've had you seen bolt and we've had michael. Phelps and this olympics biggest star was simone biles and instead of talking about gold medals instead of talking about her achievements were talking about mental health and what is wrong with the olympics and i think that is absolutely not the audience driver that winning gold medals and that's tricky for nbc nbc's also a tricky spot because we're talking about mental health but we're also not necessarily talking about the olympic committee's role in simone biles as mental health than usa gymnastics role in simone biles mental health. Right there's this huge sex abuse scandal that sort of hanging over. What's going on with simone. Biles another thing. I would mention is. We went through this with sports. Tv ratings during the pandemic for every other sport where everything was down from the nba finals to the super bowl. When there's no fans in the stands television presentation just lacks the sort of life in the verve and enthusiasm that i think viewers want from the olympics especially the gymnastics all of the shots of the gymnasts. You scott these empty bleachers in. The background is empty arena. There's very little energy to the broadcast. I also thought it was interesting. You mentioned the time difference. Thirteen hour time difference at least between the east coast of the us and tokyo. And i think that brings up some pretty existential questions about like are the olympics. A news story that one should be able to watch live or are they kind of like a prime time television event and i feel like we've seen situations where nbc's choosing to delay broadcasting sharing video of critical moments in the olympics. So that they can hold them for prime time but not letting us experience the thing that just happened in tokyo that everyone wants to know about. I think it's really interesting question. And there's no better example of this. When's simone biles pulls out of the team competition in gymnastics so immediately afterwards on the today show you get a whole segment about simone. Biles pulling out of the gymnastics and one of the host is live in the venue reporting on this news and nbc has video of it and they just don't show it to you. They show you old footage of simone biles competing. I think on another nbc network. They showed you still photographs of the event happening. And it's a really good question like is this holding back news or is this saving entertainment for prime time. They were basically. They didn't want to show the vault. That simone biles had to downgrade where she walks off the mat visibly upset because they were holding onto it for for primetime later that day. Correct exactly they didn't show you the video of the vault and they were talking about the bolt on numerous segments across nbc. They're they're talking about this vault they have footage of the vault and they're not showing it to you. There's footage of simone biles talking to her teammates right in the moment saying i'm not going to compete. And they're not showing you that either but in one way we're this is different than previous olympics. Nbc talking about it as news and even at the top of the broadcast that night where they showed the simone biles ball. Mike to rico welcomes everybody and says you know we know that you know about simone biles and we're going to show it to you and so there was sort of this very strange dance of acknowledging that you know it and cure. Now we're going to show it to you so incredibly confusing and again if you are a consumer viewer and you wanna see that vault pretty frustrating and why is that like what are the incentives that go into making that decision of we need to hold onto some of this footage for the time when we think most people will be watching. You just said it. That is the incentive. We want primetime viewers. We've sold advertising and we've promised those advertisers a certain number of years and we need to deliver those viewers in prime time so viewership has been down in. Nbc has been negotiations with advertisers. To get them more spots to get them more viewers to make up for what has been a smaller audience than expected and their first priority is not serving the consumer serving the viewer. That is something that they would like to do. But it is not the top priority so the olympics are supposed to be this moment. Were the world comes together where we're all in awe of these athletes that there is a sensitive unity and universal excitement and it seems like this year is much more complicated for that so i wonder if nbc is successful at creating a broadcast. That really makes the games feel like that inspiring global moment. This olympics is different right. You have so much opposition to it in japan number one. You have the corona virus you have. No fans in the opening ceremony was a really interesting might be too generous but sort of a really disparate experience. Where you you had these empty stands. Nbc talking about the optimism of the moment when the the flame was lit and you had journalists at the same time. We're were live tweeting. The protest outside where you could hear the people chanting because there were no fans in the stands and so i think the relationship between the broadcasting company in what these games have becalm becomes a little more acute. You can't just sell the olympics as this sort of magnanimous koumba moment. Because they just aren't and even though we've had questions about the olympics in the ioc doping in bribery and you know how certain communities have been treated by host countries to build venues. We've had these questions for a long time. Now these olympics you're really not able to brush Okay let's watch sports now then. I think that in previous olympics broadcasters have been able to do that in fewers have in some cases been willing to go along with that. And that's not the case. These olympics ben strauss cover sports and media for the post amitav produced this story. And that's it for post reports. Thanks for listening. Today show was mixed by rennie's for noffke an amateur cough and you can learn more about the stories in today's show post reports dot com. And you can join the conversation online using the hashtag post reports or email us at post reports at wash. Post dot com. I'm maggie penman. Martine powers will be back tomorrow with more stories from the washington post when president trump took office with the promise to bring big changes and buck norms. The washington post started a podcast to answer one. Big question can he do that for four years. That question came up again and again. Americans are still asking version of that same question. 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10-11-21 The Mike Gallagher Show Hour 2

Mike Gallagher Podcast

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10-11-21 The Mike Gallagher Show Hour 2

"Portions of the following program may contain. Prerecorded your health. This is your source for breaking news and what to make of it. This is the mike gallagher show. Millions of americans are realizing that joe biden and the radical left brought our nation to the break of ruined with all of you in iowa and conservative patriots. All across the country we will end their reign of radicalism and we will take back america. We're gonna take back now from the relieffactor dot com studios. Here's mike gallagher. After saturday of pretty thrilling college football action. I woke up yesterday morning and got a kind of a hankering to go. Check out the tampa. Bay buccaneers i've been to the tampa bay. Rays games a few times Enjoying my new home and went on stuff hub. There was a ticket fifth row from the field. Fifty yard line a single ticket and off. I went to raymond. James stadium man. Was that fun to see a stadium filled with people who are living life the way we've always been able to live our lives and the other reagan announcement suggestion. You wash your hands. And they're making announcements. I mean there's no way to socially distance and believe me shove between the two burly guys that i was stuck between a jets fan to my right a bucks fan to my left with both of their elbows planet squarely in my ribs in ninety degree heat. I made it about an hour. And then i was out but it was fun. It was a great experience. Americans are tired of this upside down. World this is columbus day. And i'm just old enough to appreciate. Christopher columbus sailing the ocean blue in fourteen ninety. Two and opening up this part of the world to exploration. I don't know that we would be where we are today. I wouldn't be talking to you if it weren't for christopher columbus but the woke left has attempted to cancel christopher columbus in just a few moments. We're going to be joined by a friend who you know household name saturday night. Live alum movie broadway veteran and morning show host in new york. Am nine seventy. The answer's own joe piscopo. He's been making the rounds defending columbus day. Isn't it funny to see how businesses are afraid to celebrate columbus day we've replaced columbus day supposedly with indigenous peoples day. And i mean we're watching sort of widespread madness. Did you hear about the kid at ucla who's going to be kicked out of school. He's going to be dropped from classes because he doesn't want to get the vaccine. Now get this. The kid doesn't go to school. He he's learning remotely. He's responsible being responsible enough to say okay. You're making me get a vaccine in order to attend classes. I'm gonna spend my family. And i are going to spend tons of money to get a ucla education. Seventy thousand dollars and you're you're kicking me out of school because i'm not vaccinated while learn. Lean remotely this. Young man had the tenacity to record the conversation. They had with somebody who identifies himself as a campus health officer. In forming this student he will be dropped from clashes over the the vaccine mandate even while work learning and going to school from home. Listen to this and you're calling to tell me you will. You're calling to tell me we'll drop my classes after we've already paid seventy thousand dollars for the year. If i don't upload something about my vaccine satisfied all my classes are online. That's what the calls now got it. Thank you wow. Wow is right. The guy said correct. We're dropping you from your classes. You won't get back you go get vaccinated even though you're learning from home. You're not even stepping foot in a campus building. Now if you don't realize how nuts that is you ought to check yourself. You gotta go look a amir. We're losing our. And frankly. I'd say we're losing our minds over columbus day. I think joe piscopo would agree. He joins us next. We're absolutely acknowledging. columbus day. On the mike gallagher show you probably are off from work. You're not off from work for indigenous peoples day. You're off from work for day but the woke doesn't want to acknowledge that. We'll tackle that at a whole lot more here on this monday october. Eleventh episode of the mike gallagher show. We're in the relief factor dot com studios and. I'm glad you're here. Our number eight hundred six five five mike. Eight hundred six five five six four five three to me tried to morph columbus day into indigenous. Peoples day is as goofy as telling a college kid who has spent seventy thousand dollars. Were kicking you out of school. Cause you won't get the vaccine even though you're staying home we'll see if you agree or not as we break it all down for you fighting the good flush door to get the mike gallagher. Show podcast at mike. Online dot com. I'll bet you've seen pete. 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Life could be like pain-free relieffactor dot com relieffactor dot com or call eight hundred five hundred eighty three eighty four eight hundred five hundred. Eighty three eighty four for relief factor and the end is the final cares. And this is what phil boyce. My boss and i used to sing together. When the ratings books would come out sometimes on monday morning. I'll state my case suit with john's. I'm worried that a lot of americans are starting to sing. This about this country is the end near. We're gonna have to do it our way. Here's a guy doesn't his way. Let me tell you a little. Bit about joe piscopo from saturday night. Live for movies broadway as morning show in new york on. Am nine seventy the answer. I've watched him engage. Young people waiters waitresses. Who are excited about seeing him now. His mug is all over the place again on national. Tv with relieffactor commercials. But here's what i love about. Joe piscopo he is honestly one of the most gracious kind selfless people i've ever met. It's fun when you meet somebody famous and get to work with them and get to know them and you can appreciate that. They're not arrogant and they're exactly how you hope they will be. Joe's making the rounds on tv on fox news about columbus day. We thought we would borrow him for a few minutes as well and your again very gracious. Because i know your your morning show is over. You're hanging out for a little. I'm sure you've got lots to do. But joe it's a pleasure. Having you on the mike gallagher show how are you my friend like i'm able by your words. You are really one of the great passionate in services on the planet. I always like to tell the story when i was a lifelong democrat. Before i saw the light mike. Gallagher doper skip over an office studio somewhere in the empire state building. And i walked out of there. Saying what a gallagher is and that holds true to this day proud to be your friend shiitake credit for your conversion. Because i think maybe i helped you see the light. All those years ago is that is that is that fair. is that possible. I saw the light. I saw the light. Well here and here. It is happy columbus day and that s. Why we wanted to have you here joe because columbus day is here although as you know the left and the woke crowd doesn't like it. I was reading in In actually over the weekend how retailers the columbus day sale along longtime ritual car dealers and department stores is dead. The last thing retailers want to do get caught in the culture wars so there's no more columbus day sale if they have their way. Joe piscopo there's no more columbus day. It has been replaced by indigenous peoples day. What say you just upset me. So because i when i heard this president in if you wanna call them that you know as say nothing about the italian americans when a year before last we were down at the white house in that administration and that president said it will always be columbus day to me. He said i personally. At all the italian americans down to the white house and i went well. How what a gracious gracious thing to do mike. I don't understand the meanness of this will culture. We were down. I was the grand marshal at philadelphia. A shaw columbus day parade yesterday when my friend jerry right so we were down there. Ross people we celebrate got good old internet. We've got we've got skype frozen thing here guys. I think we lost jobs connection. So let's get him back on the phone and we'll we'll have a. We'll do it the old fashioned way and do it on the phone lines. So we'll we'll get him back on the phone and continue the other. You're back again. joe. I think we're gonna try to. We're gonna try to got a little bit of an erotic internet connection but go back to your grand marshal at the at the philadelphia columbus day parade right and it was great. We good legendary. Jerry blab it right so that the town they there was a law order. They boarded up to columbus day at you might think they. They could the statute of columbus statue. They boarded up so they went to court. Columbus society did billy they got a judgment from the court to take the plywood doubt. They start to take the plywood that why. Because i'm going to be there. Be there celebrate columbus day. They sneaked in in the in the dead of night another appeal to keep the plywood up. So we have the columbus statue block in philadelphia. Didn't it didn't it. Didn't dampen the greatness of this array but how me are these people on the way left woke cancelled culture. How meet i mean that is a guy. That's a good way to put it. We never talk about the cruelty and the viciousness of the of the left they are vile think about the idiocy. Joe of boarding up a statue with plywood. I mean do you realize how do i know you do want our audience to recognize how ridiculous it is that somebody thinks that there's justification in boarding up a statue for crying out loud but then again joe i. It's amazing that they haven't taken the statue down light. They've taken down hundreds of other statues and monuments all over the country over the last year to. Yeah it's wrong but you know you know how we know were right is because they do. They're trying to take down. Abraham lincoln getting ridiculous and when you take down is so much. More than columbus is is more about the italian-american community that has struggled to learn the laws and the language of this country. My grandparents came here and they wanted to be one thing gallagher. They wanted to be american. And that is still. That is my patriotism. My parents my grandparents couldn't met father. What the law school. He couldn't even speak english when he went to school. They used to make fun of when we didn't complain. We start legislation. We didn't have a riot. We had nobody sticking up. Russ we just bought and did the right thing you know. And that's what this day is about. That's what columbus day is about. That's why i you know. I went on. Tv today on fox news. I did the broadcast from speaking to you. From the columbus citizens foundation who puts on what the columbus day parade it's columbus day. They're not gonna take it away. We're going to celebrate it. And i thank you mike for being on top of it as you always. Are you know what today i feel. I feel italian. Even a guy named gallagher feels very italian today. Joe piscopo with us just just a warrior and your and you do it with such grace and wit and kindness and that's what's lacking here. Even john leguizamo. I saw over the weekend. He gave an interview where he said this lack of civility in this lack of being able to agree on even basic facts. You know it. We're we're but there was donald trump over the weekend big rally thousands of people in iowa. Guess and it's eerie. How almost everything if not everything. He predicted what happened to america. If he didn't get reelected has happened. Joe everything it's so true you know how we could tell to. Might you see when i say. Lack of compassion is not just boarding up the statue. When we're coming down the philadelphia is not just You know that that mayor kenney or the crasner were just destroying that city five passion for the immigrants coming over now. The passion the compassionate the afghans the compassion of seven men killed by drone the compression for thirteen members. We lost his no compassion from the the party. That i i was arto how my friends can even vote in the left because it's not. Democrats is a liberal democrat friends. Who are great. But it's beyond that there's a meanness is a concerted effort to damage country. And you know what mike we ain't going down brother we're not we're not and you and i are blessed with platforms to try to fight for this country. We are going to continue to fight for this country. Millions of americans agree with you and me and man. Do i love being able to talk to you. Joe piscopo for a few moments. I know how busy you are. Get back to your columbus day festivities. Thank you my friend and keep fighting the good fight show. I love you. Love you to see you back in the studios in Wall street in lower manhattan. Stick around more coming up. You see it at the pump. The grocery store and construction costs other month Highest inflation since two thousand eight another month where that paper money. You're carrying around his worthless. What's your plan. To protect your savings homeowners insurance in case of a fire. What insurance do you have in place. 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General merrick garland announced the fbi would investigate a disturbing spike in harassment intimidation threats violence against school administrators board members teachers and staff but is it actual terroristic activities or parents trying to get to the bottom of a lousy education. Which in the long run is more of a national threat than china russia and iran combined the relief factor dot com studios. Here's joe piscopo. Show right we. We have to stand up for the country. We gotta stop. We gotta stop bowing down to these tyrants and we do it in in legitimate ways. There's a lot of legitimate things you can do. There's lots of groups that you can be a part of large organizations you can join portions of our show are brought to you by job creators network. I was having a big conversation before the show here in tampa with dale. One of the folks here who works at salem tampa and dale smart guy was talking about the impact of the biden economy. And what's what's happening to small businesses and these mandates. The government spending in the tax increases. Small businesses are being crushed in in country. There's one organization that's fighting the war on small businesses. it's a job creators network. We had an event here in tampa a few weeks ago with governor to santa's it was a tremendous evening at the grand hyatt in In tampa it's part of the j. c. And bus tour event the brings small business back. Bus tour maybe coming to your town visit. Jc and buster dot com. Check out the tourist schedule. A jc and bus tour dot com for job creators network. And see if. See if you've got a chance to stop in and see one of these great events and support job creators network. Alfredo ortiz elaine. Parker great people great folks who are fighting diligently for small businesses in america j. She and bus tour dot com. A lot of people are calling and texting saying the kid that was on the taped himself. Being told that he was being kicked out of school in school christian walker is his name. Apparently he's herschel walker son and has a big social media following. I think he's involved. Is involved charlie kirk organization or maybe young america. I don't think he's but he's been you know he's a big strong voice here he is. He was very smart when they play one. More time. taping somebody who is identified as a ucla campus health officer informing christian that he's being kicked out of school for refusing to get the vaccine even though he's taking all of his clashes online remotely from his home. And you're calling to tell me you will. You're calling to tell me we'll drop my classes after we've already paid seventy dollars for the year. If i don't upload something about my vaccine satisfied all my classes are online. That's what the calls about got it. Thank you you can hear the guy say correct so at christian said you're telling me even though we spent seventy thousand dollars i'm learning remotely. I'm not going to school. You're kicking me out of ucla. Because i won't get the vaccine. I i dare you to tell me that you think that's okay. Is there one person in america listening to my voice right now. Who thinks that's okay. One eight hundred. Six five five mike eric. Hold line for anybody. that thinks. that's okay. Because i'd like to talk to you. I really would work. We're witnessing mass insanity. California is the epicenter of the nuttiness. The kookiness this is out of control. And i had a big spirited debate with my friend. Mark davis this morning in dallas over vaccine mandates. I don't believe any company. Any company should be forcing this vaccine upon people and i am pro vaccine. Dr just asked me. If i'm ready for the johnson and johnson booster. I didn't think it was available. But i guess it is and i'm going to research it and i'm going to talk to him and spend time and i'm going to pray over it and i'm going to probably get the booster i'm gonna keep taking ivermectin. I'm praying for colonel allen west. Who now he and his wife came down with cove. It and i think both of them were hospitalized. And alan west wife is vaccinated and alan himself is not is a big proponent of the monoclonal antibodies and one of the questions has been. I mean this this. The model the monoclonal antibody treatment is huge. Now and i know that's part of the course of care. The my doctor planned on if i were to get covert is they'll give me the antibodies and bentley. Colonel west received the antibodies. And he said it was an immediate improvement and there were people on social media questioning colonel west. Embrace of the monoclonal antibody treatment which is not cheap but rejecting the vaccine. Well that's because he's an american. He gets to make any decision. He wants about what he puts his body and evidently according to this report from nbc eleven. Where is that. Derek worse care tv whereas that just tell me on the just tell me talk to me. This is out of minnesota out of the twin cities. all right. here's a here's a report from care. Tv nbc eleven. How oh yeah. Minneapolis saint paul. I'm sorry you had it on my sheet. Sorry on the number of people getting this monoclonal. Antibody treatment is through the roof. Treatment only works if you get covert and you're also at high risk for severe disease. Doctors are cautioning. This is not a substitute for vaccination as case counts. Continue to go up in minnesota when the food and drug administration authorized monaco. Antibodies treat kovic nineteen allina. Health started using it as early as january but the lead physician for the treatment says most people declined it then Now almost eighty percent opt in to get it and percents only people who are declining. So that's one change. The volume of patients has also changed that has skyrocketed from the beginning of the year to now doctor. Ira says people are more informed about the drug and more concerned about the infectious delta verion effective is the treatment the key benefit is it reduces hospitalization and severe kobe by seventy percent. You might be wondering what monoclonal antibodies are. They're made in a laboratory and when administered intravenously attached to the virus and prevent it from infecting ourselves. But it only works for about ninety days as the vaccine is going to stimulate emanating to form your own. Antibodies vaccines also last longer and train our own cells to recognize the virus. The department of health says it has five thousand doses of monoclonal. Antibodies on hand and there are eighty locations across the state offering the treatment including this new mobile clinic in saint paul while elena is doubling its staff to meet demand providing about forty treatments a week but the doctor stresses monoclonal. Antibodies won't prevent cove it or end the pandemic. Some people might look at this and say some of these patients could have just gotten the vaccine. Absolutely one clear message on give it to the audience is that this is not a substitute for vaccination without any question and besides being at high risk for disease there are some other key qualifications to be able to get these antibodies including of course having kovin but if you have covered you also cannot already be in the hospital or beyond oxygen you also in most cases have to be older than twelve years old and be able to get this treatment within ten days of having those symptoms. So certainly not. Everybody can get this randy. You have to be able to fit into some of those qualifications. Thank you now. i'm not. Who am i to criticize jennifer but this reporter says some very provocative things without even realizing first of all you can see. She's bending over backwards to say that you're not everybody can get monoclonal antibody treatments. Do you notice what she says at the beginning of a report. Now i want to analyze this and get your reaction to it because this is very important. I'm sixty one years old slightly a little bit overweight. I got ten or twenty more pounds. I'd like to lose. I don't know what kind of risk that am. I high risk. If i die of covert i guess i would have been a high risk. How many people have we heard didn't have any commodities and died of covert not everybody who dies with coverted has a bunch of pre existing conditions. Right listen to what this reporter jennifer that care. Tv in minneapolis. Saint paul says at the beginning of her report treatment only works if you get covert and you're also at high risk for severe disease. Now listen the treatment only works if you're at high risk that doesn't even make any sense. That's not even logical. It only works if you have and if you're at high risk really that's what it works so if you're low risk it doesn't work you see what they're doing. And i'm not a conspiracy theorist but do you see why the media is a trusted. Think about that. It only works these these antibody treatments. If you're at high risk and if you've got kelvin well guess what asari on like the guy on the titanic knocking over the ladies and little kids to get on the lifeboat. If i get cove in. I want the monoclonal antibody treatments okay. You gotta do now. Why don't i get that opportunity. Oh only if you're high risk will at work you see it only work. It won't work for sixty one year old. You know chubby white guys. It only works if you're like got emphysema and all kinds of other terrible health conditions. That's spin what jennifer. What's her name said is spin. That's that's that's propaganda. She doesn't first of all if it's going to work it may work. It may not the doctor said you got it reduces hospitalizations and deaths by seventy percent. I don't know about you. I'd like to be in that category. If i get cova so you can't have it. Both ways media beast. You can't keep beating us down with all the stories of people who are completely healthy and who died of cova did and then turn around and say monoclonal antibody treatments only work. If you're at high risk on friday the new york times had to issue a correction they published a report. That said nine hundred. Thousand children in america have been hospitalized with kovic. Nineteen number was sixty three thousand. This was the new york times health and science reporter. A poor manda villi. Who took to twitter back in may to claim that the theory that corona virus was leaked from wuhan has racist roots so the article said that there were nine hundred thousand. Children hospitalized in america with the number was really sixty. Three thousand children now. If either that numbers. True which i guess we can all doubt considering the source. Sixty three thousand. How many millions of children. There are in america. Once you look up how many children under twelve have died of covert now. That number may shock you. I'll give that number to you next. We'll also get your reaction to that report. You just heard from care tv. Do you understand what i'm saying about the battles were in. How about the culture wars were in. There's a the we are in the middle of culture war. We want to honor those in american life. We're standing up for what we believe in. Its the twenty twenty one. Salem culture warrior of the year go to my website. 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Home loans steve's in louisville reacting to christian walker evidently. I didn't realize he was the son of herschel walker. of course who's a google our senatorial candidate and in georgia. Hey steve how are you. I'm good mike. How are you pretty good. What did you think of the kid getting kicked out of school at ucla for not being vaccinated even though he's learning remotely worn question and it covers a lot of topics. I worked in government for twenty years. I retired from government. I know the game. You don't do a lot of things because you will be soothed. Where are the lawsuits. I do not understand this great question. That's a great the kid at ucla. You can't tell me there's not a lawsuit in that further on down the road businesslike foot up in chicago comes out and says i'm not gonna take questions from white people where are the lawsuits. I mean lawyers never suffering lawyers in like vultures over a carcass in the middle of the desert. There are plenty of lawyers would think you would think ready and willing and able to represent people like this kid. Ucla where are the lushness. Yeah be it's why the right doesn't do things because you will be investigated in forty eight hours in a court law. It's a great question. It's a great great point. Steve thank you for raising it. Eight hundred six five five mike jones in pittsburgh. Hey john welcome aboard. How're you doing. Good mike listen. I commend you for bringing israel and the vaccine failure there on a lot of people not reporting that but you know. I think it's clear. I don't think we can trust the media. We can't trust the government. You can't trust big former Ask you let me ask you a question. I've been waiting for a caller like you. Because i want to pick your brain a little bit I got a lot of people in the audience. Who feel exactly the way you do. And i respect your point of view so let me. Just ask you something. You don't trust the vaccine. Do you trust the monoclonal. antibody treatment. i guess you know. The we got three members of the fis and all these companies they do not have any liability. They have immunity from john. They're making many many many many billions of dollars in profit. Five is gonna make about fifty billion and we're borrowing that money. We don't have that money. We're borrowing now great points. John i appreciate you very much. Hey listen opportunity. We had a big record weekend of sales for mike lindell in my pillow. You know why because you heard that goofy secretary of state. What is he from. Idaho wants to slap a mike with the bill for auditing. The the election support my pillow. Good on my pillow. dot com. Find the mike. Gallagher radio specials square and within the order for sure to enter the promo code mike g mypillow dot com promo code mike g per call eight hundred nine two eight six zero three four many people in the dallas fort worth metroplex. 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"A listener note. This episode contains adult content and language. This may not be suitable for all listeners. Inside the operating room in a swedish hospital. There was a buzz of activity. But dr kelly grim. Oh couldn't hear any of it. He was too focused on what was in front of him is should be sort of the start of a new era. When it comes to translational saw drian and organ the reiteration it was the morning of ninth two thousand eleven. The team in this room was about to make history. For the first time a windpipe manufactured in a laboratory would be implanted into a human leading. This effort was dr paulo. Macaroni a few days. Before surgery powder asked me if i wanted to join in the operating theatre and look at operation and i mean this was like you know rock star. That asked me. If i wanted to come join them backstage. Dr grim didn't hesitate a no brainer the time now. He stood at the foot of the operating table looking over the patience feet up to his neck were dr macarena was working and what he saw was how much pressure this surgeon was under. You can release look at him. He was extremist. rest doctor. Macarena began by removing the patient's cancerous trachea. Once the old trachea was out. There was no turning back. The synthetic trachea had been wheeled into the operating room. So i opened up the box. That was very strange. Feeling i hear you open up a sort of a black box and inside there was this magic synthetic trachea. It was pinkish shaped like a y. And made out of a thick plastic was cutting it to the right size and made injections of growth factors and pollard. Translate into the operating wound and start. Suturing macarena started to stitch the synthetic trachea into place but he was struggling then happened. The thing that should not happen the will upon their audrey burst again and there was a major major bleeding. If something wasn't done it would only be a few minutes before. The patient bled out and died. And at that time paolo. So i don't really know what's happening there but he has got so frustrated and he said takeover. I'm leaving. he actually left. Britain room with the patient bleeding like health. Dr grim was surprised. He'd never seen a surgeon. Leave a patient in crisis this. It seemed reckless and not what he would've expected from a world. Famous surgeon. powell had lot of pressure on the shoulders to be successful. And i guess when is implanted the synthetic graft felt that now i had done it and then suddenly the patients start to bleed heavily. Then i guess he felt extremely frustrated and felt that this is not really fair so you saw the patient to die with macaroni out of the operating room. It was left to an assisting surgeon to step in and stabilize the patient and he basically fixed it a few minutes later. Dr makia riney returned so abandoned came into the room. It was like nothing happened. No one said anything nothing. It was done. The new tricky was and the patient was alive. The operation a success. It had lasted close to nine hours and everyone was exhausted so they asked me to close the patient because everyone was tied to actually have an and you laughed. Dr grinham couldn't believe his luck. Now he wasn't just backstage with their rockstar surgeon. He was closing out the set. I actually found extremely honored to got the opportunity to close the first patient that received synthetic track your graft. It felt like a hollow moment. This surgery meant that more bio synthetic transplants in humans might follow kidneys and hearts and lungs and dr mackey. Arini had been the first one to do it celebrated charming. At the cutting edge of medical science. Doctor grinham oh was proud to have been part of this groundbreaking surgery but years later hid looked back on that moment with a very different feeling. It sounds very ironic. But when you look back now the best patch would have been the first patient with a died in all brady room because if the patient had died at the time. Everything's should have stopped. Let's talk for a moment about are presenting sponsor. Adt the folks at adt are the only security company with experience providing professional monitoring services twenty four seven three sixty five for over a century. So why do people choose. Adt three times more than the next closest professionally installed security provider while it might be because at security is different with nine owned and operated call centers providing their customers twenty four seven monitoring and peace of mind plus adt has top of the line tech including security camera technology that can detect the difference between a pat and a person to help reduce false alerts. Us news called adt the best home security system of twenty twenty and strategy analytics twenty twenty one named at the number one smart home security provider. 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Usually scientists incremental small steps that come together to take forward but every now and then someone proposes something so big and so provocative. It's hard not to be drawn in benita. Alexander had just gotten back to her desk starbucks in hand when she spotted an intriguing email. Hey benita just read this really interesting article over the weekend about a fascinating. New field of medicine. Let me know what you think. It was late summer. Two thousand twelve benita was fourteen years into her dream. Job working as a producer for nbc. At rockefeller center. She clicked the link. This unbelievable incredible sifi frankenstein. Kind of thing where. They were talking about the possibility of creating new organs in the lab as she sipped her cappuccino she read on. The article was about an incredible new development in medical science and it focused on a particular italian surgeon. Dr paulo macarena. Who was this italian surgeon and scientist who was sort of at the forefront of this field. His nickname was the super surgeon. Dr makia rini seemed close to doing something that no one had ever done before. Build entirely new body parts in the lab and then successfully transplant them into people. This was this guy that wanted to change. The future of medicine wanted to help. Mankind was willing to do whatever it took to get there which meant leapfrogging over some of the boundaries of people saying no. We need more time. We need to wait. He seemed to have a little bit of a rebellious sort of thing about him and he sounded passionate about his work. This probably will help us to manufacture trade. Yes or has said before. Just going to the supermarket and then buying some organs. This concert can to loss. Benita pulled up article after article in just a few short years. Dr macarena had made incredible progress. Hit started out by taking trachea is from dead bodies stripping them of their cells and then bathing them in the recipients own stem cells before implanting them and it had worked just a few weeks to have pioneering operation and claudia castillo is able to breathe normally once more but hit gone further doing something. That was so incredible. It took bananas breath away from his institute. In sweden he and his fellow surgeons had carried out the first transplant of bio artificial. Trachea was like something out of science fiction any replacement body part. That you need could just be made in allowed. Which would be incredible right. If that could actually happen. I would save so many lives. Beneath job was defined incredible true stories for dateline and now one was forming and her mind. Here was something that could change. The future of medicine. Dr rini had performed five surgeries transplanting. Plastic trachea in patients. Benita wanted to be there for the next miracle to film it so she typed out an email to a colleague telling her to find out about his next operation and hit send a few days later she heard back. the doctor. Macarena was open to having benita document his upcoming procedure. Macaroni was fifty four years old. Had been born. In switzerland. Trained in italy hit worked all over the world france spain. The united states before landing a position at the famous caroline's get instituted sweden home to the committee that selects nobel prizes in physiology or medicine for his neck surgery. Dr macarena would be operating on a little girl named hannah. Who would be the youngest person in the world to ever receive one of his artificial trae. His the way he described this little girl was heart wrenching that she had been in the hospital since the day she was born hannah. Warren had been born in seoul. Her dad was canadian and her mom was korean. At birth doctors found her windpipe had never fully formed vanita thought about her own daughter. She couldn't imagine what that must have been like for. The parents. benita reached out to hannah's dad darrel. She wanted to send her documentary around their daughters journey. They were told. There's nothing we can do for your daughter. It's hopeless and they actually considered just kind of giving up on her and they and they talked very openly and frankly about it. Which i thought was really brave. But they hadn't given up honor instead. They had a breathing tube inserted through her esophagus where food normally goes into her lungs. It meant should have to get all her food through a feeding tube into her stomach and should need constant medical supervision so she could never leave the hospital. Doctors told hannah's parents that no child with her condition had lived past the age of six and they talked about so many terrifying scares at the beginning when they would get a call from the hospital that the two but falling out and hannah had almost died. And then it was daryl. Her dad who actually went on the internet and this is how many people found. Dr macarena searched on the internet and up. Pops dr paolo macaroni. And he contacted him. Her disease or condition is so rare as well but she needs one thing needed trachea. And that's possible now. So if she can get her trachea thin chewy fine to be healthy. Now dr macarena was scheduled to give hannah new trachea. He was going to fly in and perform the surgery at children's hospital of illinois in peoria. It would be the first surgery of its kind in the united states. Benita wanted to set up the production schedule but was waiting for a firm date for hannah's operation. Then benita woke up to an urgent message. There are some kind of investigation in italy and I remember somebody forwarded me an article. That was an italian. She could make out a few words in the headline knew. It was not good so she quickly copied the text and pasted it into google translate. I just had this horrible feeling. Like oh god. What is this mean dr macarena had been accused of trying to extort patience in italy by telling them that they could get the operations they needed outside the country but they'd have to pay cash and it would be for thousands of euros and i remember emailing everybody immediately and calling people on the team. Like whoa wait a minute. You know what's going on here. But when she heard back it seemed like the whole thing was just a misunderstanding that had gotten out of hand when the lawyers and illinois who were dealing with the fda and dealing with getting dr macarena medical license said. That's fine we looked into it. Everything's okay he's cleared. I thought okay. Fine then everything must be okay right because why would. The fda cleared the way for this to happen. Why would they allow this man to do this. Dangerous quite frankly. Radical surgery on a toddler In the us if everything wasn't okay so just thought okay. It's fine besides dr macaroni. Had an explanation and he just said these are patients who are desperately ill and at the facility. Where i'm working in italy. We did not have the capacity to take care of them the way they needed to be taken care of and i was trying to help them and this is all a giant misunderstanding. Benita made plans to meet the doctor in boston evening before their interview. It would be their first time meeting in person. Benita and her colleagues settled into one of the booths at a sports bar ordered some coffee as they waited and waited he was late and the thing was because he was late. I was getting irritated. i'm you know i'm sort of no nonsense when i'm working. I'm like you know let's get down to business. Let's do what we need to do. Let's go and because he was late. I was annoyed and i was probably also annoyed because it's a holiday weekend and i'm sitting there in this bar drinking a cup of coffee and i would have rather been sitting with a friend having a glass of wine at that point. Benita texted him. Are you still coming. Ten minutes went by then twenty then thirty and still. He wasn't there and then the door opened. So i can see him out of my peripheral vision on the right side. A well dressed man with gray and silver-haired dark eyes and a bright smile and our is locked. And i felt this. I felt like a schoolgirl. I felt butterflies in my stomach. And this kind of electric spark went through me. i think i was probably blushing. And i'm thinking benita what is going on what's happening. I've been a journalist for years. I've met all kinds of people have been to the white house i've met presidents. I've met celebrities been in celebrities homes impressed by people certainly but not flustered. Ever never flustered and all of a sudden. This man walks in this italian surgeon. This dashing charming very attractive italian surgeon. It was like george. Clooney from yar was walking toward benita. Dr macarena was wearing tight jeans of form-fitting blazer and a gorgeous wool scarf wrapped artfully around his neck. He shook her hand and introduced himself then ordered a beer. These funny hey was making jokes. And he was poking fun at himself and so it was interesting dichotomy because he's a little bit of this sort of italian arrogance and then there's this soft gentle side of him and you could tell that he really cared about his patients but there was also something else he looked at me are is locked and he got this little smile on his face and a kochta's head and it was very subtle. But you know it was a little bit of a flirtatious smile and something happened immediately. I felt like a silly schoolgirl. I was embarrassed. And i had no idea what had just happened. His very very charming and he in a way ooh sex appeal italian. He dresses very nicely. And obviously the things he's wearing are very expensive and he has. He's one of those people that when he walks into a room. You feel him you notice him. I remember sort of joking with him before he left. Don't be late because the interview was first thing in the morning and and he said don't worry i won't be the nita's worries faded. She couldn't have found a more charming subject for her documentary than this doctor. Dr death is sponsored by monday. Dot com for most managers team unity. No matter where they work is key in helping. Everyone see the bigger picture and contribute to a common goal monday. Dot com work o. S. helps your team collaborate and stay connected while building custom workflows in a centralized workspace. You can gain insights into your team's workflow. At a glance who's managing. 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You know he's running back and forth checking on and whatnot. Benita had already thought about the ending. She was imagining for her documentary. That this miracle worker would give new life to this child. Maybe this little girl could come out of the hospital and go home and run around and play like normal toddler and play with her big sister as they got into. The air and things started to calm down. Paolo set next to benita and despite his focus being on hannah he could tell something was wrong and he asked me what was going on his instincts. Were right something was going on and benita 's life and so i started talking about it. She hadn't planned on sharing but the truth was should almost had to back out of this work tripp. Her ex husband who she was still very close to was in and out of the hospital and his health was getting rapidly. Worse i just. I was kind of putting one step in front of the other trying to deal with everything and get through everything but inside and falling apart you know despite the divorce still love my ex husband. He's my daughter's father. I mean i knew. My daughter's father was about to die now. The whole story ever ex-husband. John's long illness just poured out of her. She told palo everything in pieces. That were all mixed up. He just listened very quietly and very intently and very carefully and had this carrying look on his face. She told him how much john meant to her daughter and how. She was struggling to figure out how to support her. She's daddy's little girl. she's nine years old. her world is gonna fall apart. How do you navigate that. How how do you tell your daughter that her dad's going to die. You know do you. You keep giving the child hope or or. Do you have to be blunt at some point and that was my biggest question to follow. When do i tell her. how do i tell her. What do i tell her. Paolo took a second mulling over. Everything should just told him and then he placed one hand on her knee and told her a calm and self-assured voice that. I had to tell her that our father was going to die and in a gentle way but i had to prepare her for it and not to make the mistake that a lot of adults make in that she's too young. She can't know that truth. She can't know what's going on. Because then it's gonna hit her like a two by four and she's not going to be able to cope out all she knew he was right as a doctor and a surgeon. He could give me advice that nobody else could. He's dealt with many patients obviously who haven't made it and he had to deal with the families and he's been in all those emotional situation. So i felt like i could ask him things and talk to him about things that i i couldn't talk to other people about not my friends not my family. They talked for hours. Only stopping every fifteen or twenty minutes. When paolo had to go back to check on hannah and the other thing that struck me immediately was he asked me a lot of questions about my daughter and how she was doing and how she was reacting and i remember being struck by the fact that he's never met her but he seemed to genuinely care about her in the same way that he seems genuinely care about his patients. The day of hannah's operation arrived on a cloudy tuesday peoria and benita and her television crew. Were not the only ones paying attention. They're all kinds of news. Crews there this is being covered. We're covering it. There's a network crew from korea. That's been covering it step by step news organizations all over. The world are waiting to see how this goes this. This toddler getting this radical groundbreaking transplant. Benita was just a short distance away in an impromptu media center with flat screen. Tv's and a live feed from the operating theatre. She watched the surgery unfold with the other. Press for close to nine hours. They watched and waited teetering between hope and fear then. The doors opened and there was paolo. Everything had gone. According to plan it was like. Oh my god. It actually worked. It actually worked and nothing went wrong. There are no complications. She's recovering beautifully. A few weeks later benita saw a video of hannah that dr macarena had emailed to her the toddler was lying in hospital bed transformed. She no longer had a plastic tube lodged in her mouth. Instead for the first time benita could see her smile. Full smile from cheek-to-cheek. After remember town. I had never tasted food. She couldn't taste. She'd never touched her tong to anything and in the days following her surgery. I believe it was followed. The brought it to her. He brings lollipop right. Every kid's favorite thing right. It's it's sugar it's sweet. What kid doesn't love lollipop. And it's beautiful little video because they just gently placed the lollipop in front of her mouth. And she's kind of looking at very tentatively and on this little smile creeps over her face just lighting up like what is this you know. Where's this been all my life. It's just lovely and everybody's laughing and then she kind of grabbed a lollipop and pull the closer. I really like this. What is this. I want this and to me. That symbolized so much because this one of simple joys of childhood is enjoying lollipop and the beautiful little toddler had never been able to do that. She had no idea what it was to taste sugar It's like a a blind person seeing for the first time or a deaf person hearing for the first time it was just. Her eyes were wide with wonder and excitement and joy. Just it was like a whole new world for her all of a sudden. Here's a lollipop. Kind of opening the doors to the rest of her life and everything she had missed out on. This was the dream. 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Hundred twenty two dollars on home and car insurance combined get all the facts all in one place star comparing quotes for free today by visiting the zebra dot com slash doctor. That's the zebra dot com slash doctor in the weeks following. Hannah's successful surgery problems mounted for benita. She been working hard on the documentary about hannah's surgery traveling from korea to illinois for work and deep down she'd been holding onto hope that her ex husband john would somehow pull off a miracle of his own and recover but that's spring. He slipped into a coma. Should mr chance to say a proper goodbye. So she kept working but one day while they were filming at the children's hospital in illinois. Dr makia rini noticed that something was weighing on benita grabbed copies from the cafeteria and went and sat outside the hospital and paulo and his very sort of quiet thoughtful caring way just he looked at me and he said you need to find a way to say goodbye to him. You need to do something that honors him and her daughter and what the three of you had together otherwise this is going to haunt you forever and if you think of something if there's something you can do. I'll help you later that night. She went back to her hotel room and thought about what it said but as she lay in bed she couldn't for the life of our figure out how to say farewell and i remember. I woke up the next morning. And i thought i know exactly what i wanna do. John's favorite flower goes bird of paradise. Which are these beautiful tropical majestic flowers there orange and purple and very vibrant. They're gorgeous and we had them at our wedding and he loved these flowers and anytime he sent me flowers. They always included birds of paradise so she picked up her cell and dialed paulo. I said i know what i want to do. I want to go and get birds of paradise. And i wanted to get three of them one for john one for me one for my daughter and i want to take them somewhere. Say goodbye to him and he said okay. Why don't i take you somewhere on the motorcycle. And i said okay. Benita put on a pair of jeans a jacket and some heels and went downstairs to meet him. It was a perfect warm spring day with bright blue skies as far as you could see and he shows up in his black leather little black leather jacket and his fancy sunglasses and his tight blue jeans. And you know. I talk about george clooney and say okay. Comes mr sexy doctor to ride his motorcycle. How was unusually quiet. Only saying hi and asking her for the directions to the flower shop. She grabbed three birds of paradise and she got back onto the bike. I decided i wanted to throw these flowers and the water as he started up the motorcycle. She pressed her knees into his side's and wrapped her arms around his waist. They made their way out to the illinois river following the curving roads along its banks. The engine is allowed. You know the cars are allowed around you. The wind is rushing in your face. Everything's bigger and louder and more vibrant and you can smell everything you can see everything it's like you've been dropped right into the middle of the street and you're kind of part of the road end from me. Being on a mac of motorcycle makes you feel very alive. They drove for half an hour just winding along with the river when benita saw where she wanted to stop. I said that's where. I want to go and we pulled over to this beautiful spot on the illinois river with a little park. I was quiet. There was nobody there. And i got off the bike and i took the birds of paradise and i walked over to the water. How stayed by the bike. She made her way to the water's edge alone and stood there holding the flowers. I was probably there for about twenty minutes. And in my own way saying goodbye to john and i was reflecting. We've been together for seventeen years. We're married for eleven. We had this beautiful nine year old daughter. We had a beautiful history together and there are a lot of memories and i was thinking about that. I was thinking about everything. My daughter was losing. He was an incredible father. You know he had so much to teach her and she needed him and all these things are going through my head. And i am never going to be able to fill his shoes. That i'm facing impossible task. I have to be everything for this little girl now. and how. am i going to do that. And quietly. Through each one of the birds of paradise into the water she started walking. Back toward paolo head down tears in her eyes and it was about four feet away from him that i finally stopped and i lifted up my head and our our eyes met the same way they had met that very first time i saw him but this was a very different look. Our eyes met and there was an understanding there. Was this kind compassionate. Caring look in his eyes this warmth this welcoming warmth and so when he opened his arms and reached out to hug me. It's like i just fell into his arms. it was. I was walking away from pain and walking into something that seems warm and comforting and caring and hopeful. And i needed that desperately. I just knew it at that moment. I knew this wasn't just a friendship. This was more than a friendship. And i was falling for the sky which was a huge problem. Benita knew it was not okay to date one of the subjects in a documentary but she rationalized it to herself. It was okay to date and because she had already finished filming everything except for one scene. The ending benitez plan was to film. Hannah's joyous return to korea should been recovering children's hospital of illinois for three months and it seemed like should be home before summer was even over but as she went back to new york she got a different kind of phone. Call and told me that hannah wasn't doing well so i called pablo and i said what's going on. You know. this person tells me that hannah's not doing well as long sigh and he said yes. I don't understand what's happening and it's terrible and it really doesn't look good and i said what do you mean. It doesn't look good and he might die. She heard him go silent. She couldn't believe what she was hearing. Here i thought she was doing well and he had said almost nothing to me about her other than there were some slight complications. And now he said bluntly saying she might die. And i remember trying to probe him and he said i don't feel like talking about it. You know. I'll tell you about it when i see you in person. I can't get into details hannah. Warren died on july six. Two thousand thirteen. She was a month shy of third birthday. I started crying. I had become so attached to this little girl and to her family. And i for them for her parents and everything they had been through every time i sat with those parents and they talked about what they had been through with a little girl and all the hope they had placed in this man who was supposed to be the miracle doctor who was supposed to be their only hope to be. Hannah's only hope who is opposed to save the day and now it had all gone terribly. Wrong paolo told her he didn't know what happened. But now hanna was an angel on his shoulder guiding to better next time she had not died in vain. Her surgery advanced. The field of regenerative medicine and are passing would only make paolo more determined. She has dramatically changed the way of thinking if before it was aggressive now even more because these patients seven thousand miles away in stockholm sweden. In an office of the karolinska institute for doctors would have a very different kind of conversation about dr paulo. Macaroni and what. His patients deserved at one point. He says i wonder if this guy's got ethical approval to do these surgeries. His colleagues looked at each other in disbelief. Of course he does come on. Nobody would do that. Of course nobody would do that. Except nobody really knew the truth about dr paulo. Macaroni coming up on this season of doctor. Death miracle man. The ice was wide open and she was waving our arms. I mean so scared that he was going to die. These fucking russia asks him motherfucking. Your if i had to choose between powell arenas plastic trachea bullet in the back of the head. I'd take the bullet any game. Whoever said lavas blind wilson kitten. If you want to help us spread the word. Please give us a five star rating review on apple podcasts. And be sure to tell to friends. If you like the show make sure to follow dr death season. Three miracle man on apple podcasts amazon music. Or wherever you're listening right. Now in the episode notes you'll find some links and offers from our sponsors. 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Episode 118- Charles Cazaux and Focus

Cloudbase Mayhem Podcast

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Episode 118- Charles Cazaux and Focus

"Everybody welcome to another episode of the Cloud Base Mayhem. By the time this episode drops we recorded this on the twenty second of March. Sunday with Charles Cazaux. He's over in France in lockdown than I am here in cut Idaho in lockdown and by lockdown on this end. I mean we can go outside stuff but you know basically everything's closed and they don't mean and we have to respect social distancing and we can go get food and stuff so it's not totally extreme but I wanted to tap in with Charles because they can't fly currently right now in France and Belgium and Italy other places and they're certainly very interesting conversation going on here about that and by the time we put out the show I will put out the show and I did with my sister and my good O'Connor who's an er doctor here to the really on the front lines of all of this and so I think we'll have probably will not be flying here either. It doesn't sound like that's a smart thing to do and potentially if he had an accident overwhelming already overwhelmed system but anyway I want to apologize. It We probably didn't sound very current in terms of the world most likely stands now several weeks later. So but this episode is with Charles Cazaux He's been flying for more than twenty five years. He was the first kind of June your They have junior training professional training program in France that you can come up through to become a professional pilot. Envy paid and coached in that process. And so this is something that's pretty foreign for most other pilots in the world but very cool program that people like Charles and Maxine piano and others have come up through honor and have come up through so he was the first With this he got on the team in nineteen ninety five when he was eighteen years old and then made the French team in two thousand. Who's been on it ever since so almost twenty years with the French team so I wanted to talk to him about what they're teaching and what he's learned over the years and how to fly faster in cops and strategy and tactics and all that kind of stuff mental The mental side of the sport which is of course huge and then also we talked quite a bit about what he and Seiko. They've been teaching at their school last three years and SIB and specifically SIB on two liners and and pretty hot wings. So great talk. It was great to speak with Charles again. I hadn't flown with him in a while and or talked him. And Wow also Enjoy Charles Awesome to have you on the mayhem. I've been wanting to talk to you a longtime I was trying to think about it this morning. when the last time we saw each other was a know we flew together in shaw-lan fears back. I feel like I've seen you since then but As always it's always too long but thanks for thanks for coming on the show. I understand like I do right now. You have a lot of time in this time corona giving to to bring me to the show. I think less time we met. Maybe he was in Columbia for competition. Where rate on rights we have quite a lot of time Actually at the corner you on that not one of the Guy. Walking because the office close waiting stuff going on on. Give the Auto Naji to people who are informed fighting of Zeros. Yeah it's it's really an unprecedented time. I just did a podcast last night with my sister with. She's not a pilot but she a the health and science reporter for K. Q. E. D. which of NPR station out in San Francisco. As though she's been on the front lines reporting on this really since it came across from China's first came to San Francisco from China and She man it's just incredible watching the numbers in the Esscalation of this. And then of course you know you. Guys were the first to get shutdown. I believe right in France Belgium Italy. You know the It wasn't the worst was A. I was stuck quite badly before Judy on the sweets white. Nobody decide to go to the Annoyed quite bad in Italy on the we know it up into France on the view of our country for more Europe on then rest of the world so just a Twi to understand. What's going on on the Barich onto face it on the on the into to go ahead in. What is your work now activity? I'm working the mobile phone company. Orange on the I have is did with Mr Williams a company so will to to train on comb out of the year so many like autumn winter in the office on on I can compete joining trend on the teach recycling all school it. This is a great place to start so I can't remember who it was that I spoke to about this when you're on the French team You're you can you can kind of you. You can get paid to fly greg. You can work for orange and then have a they. Have they have a system where you're allowed to fly for is at a certain amount of time or something? How's that work? Yeah we see them if you are not Tradition STATION OF MINUTE. Orange via on some taxes. On time. You are not at work. So it's good for the company on his follow. Actually it's quite the Too especially for violating To to have time to get the money on the to go to competition on Trade Show. You need to find sponsors. Support your your bridget for competitive on a new commission. You don't need to focus on CEO is good with them. It'd be fine At work I can tell them that. The subjugates I knew Competition they can focus on competition on the the only fight these You have to stay in the top two if Iraqi so appreciate Okay so how many how many French pilots right now are in your kind of in your situation where they can. They can work and fly but be supported to fly so in the big company thing guy. I'm the last one more Some over like own a PM interview the other little support from the local government so it so we don't have the same amount of time as me but we still have some weeks to to do it which is quite nice on the. I think the other one student so we don't have they don't get the same super social for the ranking your company. It's quite the effort to make a long carrier is it all decided on ranking. Yes because In fact the mysterious spot on October. Twelve when you can apply for its schofield nuts. Wow that is that is pretty tight so take to the I under I understand. You're the first person in kind of this juniors program which has now become thane on. Maxine came up through it. Maxine piano Who did really well on the x outs last time in an obscene other. Really Good Competition Pilot. I think honoring did. But what what is it an and you can you? Can you explain because this is something completely foreign I think most other countries respect stopped in the number? It was ninety. Five was a one of the seven. The children to until visa visa system on its basin former former is quite well known in France because was the area to prepare the athletes for the Olympic Games in Mexico. On the it's on a little plateau thousand five hundred meters so it's good to to get some sunlight occasion to prepare for a long racing so it they'll vis vis cool vessel. You like Dan. Twenty on spokes coming here to train your athletes from or Europe coming on certain time of the year to train on they decide to make these poor of of Applied there so. Actually you have some kids Some kids valid from thirteen to eighteen on the vista. I was eighteen so it was like you until only for one year I knew went onto to twinsies cigarette your because we have the some coach. Zieger which was a Frenching pilots years ago on the some over coach. Ron On we don't the notes because when I until the school you know I never did a five Begovic fishing gear on the one exit from the school. I went back to sunset. Which was the Chromosomal on place on the next thing I was able to try hundred fifty to sixty four. My fisk was contained. The our soul to as we interesting goes away. Villon US just knew many learn about to process on the venue when you have the nation already you just go. Tell me more about the process so we stood by skip the hunting ground to be on control of a wing. When did some 'cause? I D West to not to let us fly as possible but I been contorted orgy on to be controlled scale to be more and more skills on then we. We went a step by step so I would say we. We learned to to climb so dynamic or not be more efficient. Domo to be about him on the Slowly on Saudi legal from Optimal on the after each flight. We have like debriefing for some time. Doing one hour will briefing before the flight. Everything was a organized so we can understand what we mean. Be Air to make it better for the next flight on the Ben. Acuvue supposed to as for myself when I. Kim Back the outs adobe school on the jurors the Asamoah experience symbol skaters amok knowledge to to be bitter bitter. Yeah to improve the progress did did you is the goal of the school. So when you get into this program and you're identified. Do you do you actually. I should ask that. Do you sign up for the school or you picked up to the school because we want to go the sick John so I think we will twenty or thirty on the way we only seven place to your So they don't make acidic shot only based on the little the pilots there. They were also obviously Aware but the school level because they don't want the people to be focused too much piloting. It wants us to have a good little school so we can have free time to fly on the subtitles when we ads. Maybe we phones already flying without some kind of advantage on. I was coming from the flats. I was around to fly. Nobody by fiery were flying so maybe we say okay. Maybe this guy. We can attribute if we put him into the system on the for Bussey was a climbing was running was making a lot of activity. That was always trying to go. Ed Onto Push for Meyer ice skaters so I think the feed it when we asked a question on this show may be guy have some potential to to to improve a lot on. The idea was not to push us to competition. I know when I stop biting. They don't want to go to competition commission. Would finding just become a tourist Boris to know Samara to learn from different pilots with? I didn't want to competitions in cross country so when you sign up for the program it's not. The the goal of the program isn't to create necessarily race pilots. It's just to create good pilots yet the first year I was more about the trading good pilot on Venza little. You'RE AFTER YEAR. And we say when we have to make the sedition Is Six quite a good level of filed on these pilot? After freons in this score they have the what What keppler pilots which was crazy. Because you have some a genetic became they of biggest. Five eighty was thirty K. After your to to improve the skaters to learn about the air mass to run tactics after fears being the top the twenty of some tasking World Cup so this was very interesting on the video. Would job when I spoke with maxine a couple months ago about his books in understand. He's done some some coaching for the French team as well he talked about. Kennedy's four categories That you have to focus on for learning and becoming a good pilot near the technical side climbing gliding There's the tactical side mirror decision making and then there's the the mental side is. What is the Big One I forget? What the fourth one is now. But the the mental one was the one that he said was just by far and away. You know that with the ten at the high levels the super final levels you know pretty much everybody's a pretty good climber and a pretty good glider and pretty much tactics. Are you know quite similar? stay in lead. Gaggle until the end. Try to make a break. You know. There's not. There's not a huge difference there. The huge difference is really in the mental. Is that Is that something that the school you went to really focused on as well? Yeah for sure we. I think was we learn more when I leave this cool. Have the chance to until the defense team. And then we get some input about the month on our way to be channel amounts. Because as you say in the letter of the pilots were getting kills everybody is to push for speed a would you can climb. Who'd been you have some lemming more or less on the Nov says about our UC's Ama- under also from View what are you able to do the right thing as a white woman on because most of us we know what to do but to do it at the right moment to have the right trimming doing other tasks or the competition is quite which is quite too demanding on even me. Some competition angry in on some not so so completely out on the heavy up of ninety. One thousand thoughts. What do you? What do you attribute that to all these years of competing while let me ask you a question? I you so you started the school in ninety five. When what was the first year he made? The French team does a Finnish him in two thousand. While I did I did. The two what keeping was ninety-eight was a museum. Chamonix on the in twenty twenty he propels on Until now on the yeah so I see on the French team every year since nineteen ninety. Eight Hobos mold is a French. We had like a pool of Twenty fifty pilots at the beginning on. They need to know. We are like maybe less than ten. Because a has a fiend challenge on the digits. Chan's on the the the weights That'd be different. Yes in twenty years you can see like so wing challenging you can see the tactics. You can see everything Was more demanding for the pilot to a top level. I say yes. A wing was riddick. Change the tonight. Ride on the Beach up with right now. Is that most of the pilots. They were have a doing on the Venza tactics become more and more important the competition you mentioned something that I think. A lot of pilots including myself really struggle with there are times. When you're just in it and I I call that kind of being in the flow and then there's times where you're just not. Have you been able to isolate and drill down on that and figure out better ways to be in it? I would say yes. Use his memento some bottles a task. I'm not in on venue. Try to understand what's going. We've your mind on the most of the time when you want to make sure results Too Fast on. You don't have the process to to focus on what you have to do at a certain amount of the task like You Tamminen you have to be focused on your feeding on the Like each stone of the to Abusir. O-on a on the middle on the vital on me on the show to focus on. I will miss the AGO Miseries urge you up to focus on on the radio spots. Pusher everything you you and for before on the yoga who make a good a good the performance that needs to be destroyed because your mind is not in the action is too far away are there. Are there things that you've learned over the years you know? Say mantras or something. You're writing on your instruments or are there. Are there clues that you can? You've been able to grasp onto in resolve that the in flight. Hey Charles come back or Charles late. Y- you're thinking too much I gotta let my subconscious do more worker there. Are there things that you've kinda learned fide to help? The I walk with domestic rea- montage Piloting the crucial and the last two years. I was a walking with him on the fly. No writing on instruments on the number. Okay you are in via you have to be focused on what you know on beef. You know no just to to be in the in the game not already at the goal of my results for example for my for my Deal with the mystery. We've company At the end of the year. Just the Rice at this month of dusk. Who abused situation what you have to? If you know on focus on. It's nothing else can you? What was what was the main thing you went to Thomas. For and what? What advice did he give to to you? Solve that the mansion for me was where he's a fisher You have to deal with the Binding voted in my job as a dealer Commpany saw in some years was re complicate to to today with. Who's you you have like frequent results? No you have to make one complete good results on the even you. Don't you are not your Janos on the Frank Era Janas Jewelry? Your mind is not there. So yeah you need to refocus on the lighting side when I in competition on the is from these Contract MAY COMPANY GOES ON ONE WAY TO RIGA. The ninety cannot walk. If I'M NOT FOCUSING COMPETE SEAN. I have I have to be able to talk to compete Sean. To keep my pleasure to fly on the yet to enjoy the process to to compete on the to do only this fall for my body. It's really special place. I would say I don't know if some not so many pilot visa now kind of deal on the on one way supervise deal on the way can give ebbets w Now asking the deal for ten years so Alan to live with it. It's a privilege so I have to face it the program I would imagine that in some ways you know the the silver lining of it. I mean there's lots of silver linings there but I would imagine one of the main silver linings of that kind of situation is it probably keeps. You really motivated to fly. I mean do you think you'd have the same motivation without it fact? I don't need to say what you want to fly because I love such lane. I just need to go on fly. I know some I have some friends will compete shun Fly THEY TRAIN FOR ONE. Twelve on light to stay at the same place during flight so gave it make up to our straining on the nobody wants to make reserve competition but for me if I spend like five hours in December Damola. I don't care because I just love to be in via the item to lighting because I was coming for multi from climbing. I just want to use piloting too good on then. Every Isaac can climb on they can move from one more time to Annette one of multi. Only we've supplied idea on the I even side to i. I'm not competing. You can go on cross country alza. I just love to fly back to Thomas. How did he help you to relax? And to distance yourself from the pressure. Roy was many this week. We did a we finding the world's we Which are linked to some image of some fitting which being mere back to the leaves The presents the future of the past the twenty okay. Cvs Word in front of me. I know what we mean defeating linked to his world on Vince Night. I switched to a present not to to move my mind somewhere else. Will You keep working with them or is that done now? We keep working together. Yeah well What do you like most about flying? Is that the competitions. Is it the working with Seiko? And instructing is just flying said Allah flying so I was used to spend like foes for fifty thousand a year some time also a lot when I was two onto was levies. Phone with US or under the house jailings ear noise small. It's less like two hundred dollars on that feel no. I'm in the past. I needed to file out to two. So it's with defense tuition Alamos annoy a feel of lie under fifty. Two hundred else Year on the I feel comfortable with this amount of On the When I go to competition because if I fly too much to be kind of routine firefly don't not so much whenever you want to be there on for me small on the alike Strike because I came from cross country pub before to compete Sean. I liked to discover out to take my own decision. A lie to fly on to be a goal is what about the flight allege on the also the side we start. We Sekou says cool I liked lot. Allies to show. Acknowledge the Students who are coming to give him a feedback information album to progress or is to to keep the safety party mine on the hour. Say you'll be goodbye show or bite you know on the years after. Yes it's true the I we push pilots of. So what's what was Nevada? Just go to a savvy to renew skins Admitted that you know I D did five years ago I would bite out. I say I don't care you just go you show on the on venue comeback. You know it's like you you send the yolk out to the garage every year to using working. Well yeah and it's the same bite you have to go with. You're wing to to to learn to improve. Your skaters unjust will become better. You cannot just stay new chair and say okay are you on. I'm a good Goodbye I can fight under Okay you fight it good. You understand what's going on in via but you have to be Wing on the your to know how you would react in every situation. You have to learn how you doing. The new wing is GonNa react as well so I say quiz coach was ice ivy on for me. She's amazing because she's the only one who was a compiler in a cross country she was a competitive echo Pilots instructor she has Of you going on leaves awaiting on the house The peanuts React for me. It's interesting alone. Learn a lot from on the hour. She she tran. She focused on the on fighting. This interesting yeah. I think you guys really broke terrific ground with what you're doing their school and sharing these videos is I always think back to Russel Ogden Gave a terrific talk here in Sun Valley right after the World Cup in two thousand twelve and he obviously knows a lot about wing design and back then he was still recommending. Which I know. He's changed his mind on now but he you know he was still recommending. That it wasn't really a good idea to do. S I. IV on you know on our complex you know so back there back then open class wings and now Syria class wings but you know the you know. The hotter end of the scale to liners You know that that was just you know you should still do on a lower level weighing because if they went you know they they. They were very hard to recover. And you guys have shown I mean also wings have changed and you know the C- c- classes is definitely tamped down on you know. Say an eleven but You guys have shown that You know you really should do it and should do it frequently and you know if done well you can do it safely on when we have a compiler coming for example Wing on the tells us it's my first It's up to be my first ever release it. It's g you know my first all I did it after ten years of flying really. Yeah yeah that West by Ingo continuing wing for long twas not I would say hey. Twitter not move at this time a when I was flying was playing like prototyping Before on then went on does offensive. We say okay. No you want to go for competition. You have to buy to buy a site because so when we go to my first v what was he the so the prototype for Adlan Lonzo now. Weaver at coup no. I was rescheduled for the on. This though you will force On if I finger to we've more years of expounded say we were crazy to go furthest student again we've The no experiencing ID even verify incompassion wing. We told them okay. You are better to come leader because it would be easy. You'll get the students skills to learn the tools to see your reaction on when when you managed to to situation where you you you underwear yours. the tools to recover so different tools than okay you move to your CCC wing on venue just Adopts your skills to swing was is too much thing moving on the stressful bites. So we it for me besieged normal. Soy legalist advice. Not just we just ideas not to make Syracuse Dismay onto of way. We say to the students we don't you don't pay on the com- to to have a fan. You come to learn on when you go back home you have to to some tools in your baggage some tool you can make Oreo vazza water until you muster. You can try thumb on improve Even if you try if you don't master huge we just go in west situation so it's not some tool which you know some Sepia Sean. We have some experience on. Then you know when you will be able to under ought on when we need to use rescue on. It seems like to me. That's almost the most important thing that Siv teaches you is. I mean it's all important but the the big one is what situation in my in right now and. How long is this going to take to fix? Because then then you know if you should throw it. It's I think a lot of people while we know this. A lot of people hit the ground because they try to fix it too long executive. Ovid of it. Don't have the right source for the situation. Overdoes on sometime each of the tool on you know it's you know it's like the air you know in. Wichita Sean the task. You're in what you have to do in this moment on you a lot to go vote speed if you need to climb on the same when you have a something going on with your wing on the You use the right tool at the right ones on these suggestion on the To tweak over CANNOT TRICO TRICO. Because to complicate for you for your wing or your liver so as a rescue may be only but at least two into use a rescue because we have some Vita Sometime even don't think to use the rescue pushed on terrestrial rescue you know. How often should people do sl? I would say if you are able to do. One buyer is just amazing If you can do a Widely between US especially when you change your wing under a offensive We might only because I will change in this next week on that. Don't want to make new wing So why are you bitter community? A New Wing. You know often you so you can show what you do on. You can do it again. Knowing because a new England we have different view so to to be re react on venue or prepare for the whole season for the next two year understand. They don't want to imagine wing Usually don't you don't maturing a shovel like complaint we very thin line. Koito case One of the things that I've been practicing quite a bit since watching your videos is the whole kind of double knock you know so you you you know you get it almost to stall let it go again and then you've start very no. This is very much an acro forestall. It's not to stall and keep your hands down. It's real quick and you let it fly again and you know from your videos you only lose very minimal height you know fifteen meters kinda thing but and it works fantastic. It's just it's just terrific way. Saco works through that inter videos and I encourage all you who are listening. If you haven't seen this go check him out there all have all the links and the show notes for this but it Charles. I've always struggled with the even the thought of doing that. In a true combat situation. I just I believe I would have a hard time doing the double in combat situation. I think I would just acura stall it. What what have you are in that it is only you know what I'm saying is is just to be mindful enough to do it like that In in a situation where things are pretty radical pretty fast. It isn't it still okay. To just stall it and let it go on. I would say what these most input on these new. When you need to store your wing exactly I was of the time we have some like not quite big crowded but even with a off-spin can recover Rosa crop up on my twenty five years expand the finals I am. I never did the story because I need it. No I just need the store During yeah otherwise. Only we've I've speed I can recall Roosevelt. But you need to have quite a huge part of your wing. Foods The canopy on the line to be able to join to make you store if you have like cerdic rats a which you need to make your stole anyway As soon as you touch the under but almost you will love poor little bits. On the ewing. We store because your Mortar area open. No you waited Maybe five am on. The respect. Could story so. I don't think you would be able to remake. You're a double you ASU. You're saying you won't even get to there. I see what you're saying so you really. You know when you're thinking when you're when you're having to go into stall or to a backfire tail slide to get a cravat out. You're never GONNA get to that point soon as you start pulling break on the on the curve added side it's GonNa spin correct. Yeah okay so so most in most cases even with the the really high aspect wings you can just spin it out to that side in my experience in like in your videos. It's it's pretty quick. It's you know it's ninety degrees one hundred twenty degrees in. It's out on the I was used to make you the under a bridge Sometime when I was using a beach no because we have some questions a guy who breaks the line of the bridge. So what you are what you need to. I'm speaking to. I know on the show. Each day nights where he Make Spin Ben Over wing like when you have three full line for sweetser different I heard some of the ACCO pilots that have interviewed on the show. They have this. It seemed to be the magic number. That you've gotta do three hundred full stalls we gotta do three installs mission. Is You gotta do three hundred stalls before you really start getting. You know you've got to do a lot is that is that kind of what you and. Seiko or pushing his well. Yeah you need to go to muster. I think SACO she'd like Donald Trump does unjaded but quite a lot because she was used to again. Yeah on twin twin via the ID less had the quake not the commissioner because the last ten years that was the only complain about subs Side of coaching where I'm using some Wing the storm many only compete showing or maybe the last two years always a little according according freestyle APP Lana editor so before to run a You go to store stole so always making allies of stole just to get more scaled a feeling for two for for illegal on the Osa Cup. There is very nice. It was really become Sunday to fight on I can use we salute Fitting to fly commission ring so is nice. Do you feel like the actor training. You've been doing knees. Years was Seiko. Has It really helped your cross country flying as well yet it because it's helped me to to under the sun bitter was going on with my competition ring on the. If I feel on this better was going on the details of fitting Shafi more comfortable More precise might -Unding so everything will be to me on the Gitmo coffee on my computer even I'm used to I mean I'm training echoing. 'cause I got some situation which can try again. We've the Commission Wing Not Infinity Eddie capacity gesture and you can go. The competition ring is still located. You don't damage the sewing. Yeah I'm always thought that's really sexy. I'm not at that level with helicopters. Tried it yet? But that would have seen people do it. It's it's that's a nice move Charles. I want to switch lanes here to to cop flying in strategy and tactics and all that but before I do have we. Is there anything else you wanted to say about your school or about? Siv In that side training. I would say we've always this quarter will be because we stopped like to since feels we. Saco on a we have this show you the pilot from US coming for to meet us for IBI on cross country which is very nice on the Yep Jat ON OVER THE WORLD. So it's a good time of year when we are in. Kuching on it's always a good time like small cure must share Sequel you want to bring atmosphere from the School of Japan in your book. So it's what we were trying to sortie fun. Yes out sounds fun and I. The videos he has put out are really terrific. So hats off to you for that and I hope you keep doing it okay. Let's switch the racing. At maxine pointed out that you know to him the the mark of a really good pilot like yourself and Julian you know the guys that are and girls that are really consistent like that's that's the kind of consistently in that top ten. That's the mark of a really good pilot. If what we know about you know technique and tactics are most of the pilots. Say it soup certainly at a super final level. You know again. These most of the you know the the difference between climbing is you know low percentile one to three percent maybe The different gliding may be the same so we talked about the mental thing. But what's the? What are the kind of breakaway differences between the you know those folks you just consistently see on the podium in the top ten and the rest in. Is this something that you know. You're obviously focusing on in the French team Regular eons the on stop the him I would say valuable to to fly a group where do on on the they're in control of the group met on the other one when available on the Asu you to fly out on on the soap availalbe behinds again the catch a group that if the Speights they can fly very efficiently Some seven and pilot. They can really fly fast alone even Boop on the really what's makes the pilots because you need to be two masters group to fly on the acuity on using as a maximum of the task that van like a Wednesday when you have the advantage. The last of the task Tabu on the we were. We were quite big margin compared to some bites oriented always is attendance. Tusk at the attack Sometime that's the VM. So MRIs Even the you see the condition Can You keep in your process to you? Stay on the when you have opportunity been you. Just try to to escape. Maybe a Guy Befo you. I saw some guy like your Yuri village. This guy's amazing no is flying. Maybe I don't know. Less than fifty dollars per buyer is not competing in competing only in the main competition on these always at the top on the Redux is always in good position in the groups and Don't take humor atrisk on the like or get your with arrived like in the Leading Group of the task on day by day To He's building is a final ranking on the on the other hand you're some guy who wants to sit to win some task on Sunday. We may good Sunday and make less good results at what she what is in but on the average on the on Vienna even the scoring changing. You beat you into the top for show. You can have some discount if you play with. Got Too much you know and you we would miss some Some good discount for you though presents. Can you talk about one of the things I heard recently? Was that the French team is trying to or maybe they already have completed. It's almost like a I. I think that like chess. You know really good chess masters it the first move by the the first guy it. There's almost like an auto response for the second movement and they don't have to think about it. It's just what you do to that. You know that move requires that move and then the next move requires that movement. It's you know in the beginning. I mean chess is all about the beginning but it is it becomes very easy for chess. Masters So we we call that like. Coda fighing you know and I understand. The French team is as really CODA fide. What you should do. Where based on where you are in other words to to to eliminate more mistakes because usually when you get behind if you start really trying to push to catch up e you could Add more mistakes and just gets worse and worse of in so you you know you they always say you concentrate on just flying well and the legal will get caught somewhere in. You can catch up but is there. Can you share any of those kind of rules that the French team has developed in other words? If you're if you're midway in the Gaggle and the the lead guys get to the top and they start going do you go then or do you go to the top you know are there? Are there things like that? That are just in other words. They're trying to give you guys rule so you don't have to think as much I would say for sure to stick to the gals if you onto to arrive twice to arrive at the end that venue of also to be objective about to what to implement you of for example issue you. You're nice value where you're climbing on us. Cheese GUY GOING FOR MYSELF. I would just stay. Might climb as long as my video is good for the day on we with move because if she move too fast the new arriver for sure you can arrive by. I of the guy who Starting Avenue no when we speed Apaches. You'll get the good line. That is not the same realistic. So maybe I don't see You have to go and the guy living well not not necessarily that but just just kind of general rules that Maybe that was a bad example. But you know just kind of depending on where you are in a gaggle or on a course of its early if it's the middle if it's the late late in the in in the race are there things that the the French team is kind of drilling in you know in terms of discipline things do the new Vita modes roads. Men's also on the board one freestyle mold as on the towards like our generation nice job mccreadie including glide watching instruments Be Available to Amazon inflammation moment. Be Creative on the for sure. The new Genera Shan what I see on the on the new Generation nutzoid soil to like a cross country. Sweep Sean as a as Earth's but in competition where amazing because every stick as you say we've the group they have some rules like they have. They always need to have some vital being beetle them. No so you use the information issue of the guy used by over you will lose one but you should have the guy who is making a game. You're lighting vital below you. You just use them Ben at your letter you just a Finds a good buydell to follow. Ben step-by-step to be more eligible for you to catch the pilots. It's if she will go crazy in front for sure you obligations to find the turmoil you would take mall time when he finds of the guy with just get you on the just decrease spoofing so I think the new nugent The auto one so we. We are learning from them anyway. Data again you always have some young coming on you catch you experience of allege but you have to catch the spirit experience alleged as world otherwise just over. Q. Give us some advice for pilots. That are just getting into competitions. What should you focus on? What are some of the things that you'd WanNa pass onto? Maybe that younger generation or even the older generation. That's just discovering calms four. Don't try to make results try to make you a great performance. So if you focus on razors each is give you a the exhibition of some stress. Awesome stuff like this. You show our focus on the performance you would be Ferguson's a process like. Oh you have to be ready on takeoff. Are you have to manage your position on your timing to get to be a the right position stops on like Visa kind of stuff doing other tasks on the if you step by steps you can make your good would process to arrive. Gold may be okay. Maybe you're I've twenty commute of those are I know. Poem Reduce Margin tactics Maybe later beat faster on the part where you know you can fight foster. On the step-by-step religious. Catch the pilots don't Focus on the reasons are we say results can be a final goal but when you have to build About of felt little goal to two info your scale interview techniques improve the way you you find the inflammation in via you. Use it to be more efficient so you should have been down in Brazil right now competing in the super final which was cancelled. Corsica's corona. Can you were there any kind of things you were working on before you went in terms of? Are there things you do either mental exercises or exercise or anything to help? What do you do to get prepared for? Something like the super final or a World Cup you know high level race so the last foams refocusing Dobrynin fees everyday so. I said many of attitude flights console months because he was wintertime. Air On the everyday tw-. As I was walking on Wednesday. It was raining or snowing so it was a but diving. Vcr As spend most multi skipping keeping Garage when flying though I was waiting physically yours food. Prepare the new in on the so what we do before going to so we have the experience on track from the period competition. Where so our coach is making a crazy job? Like it takes or the data from the last maybe five Guested on the we have some attract coming from. Cu we have some Debriefing inflammation hours condition was raised these days so we can introduce ourselves on the topography on. Zoology of what we can With what you can face I have experienced from In Kosovo what the twice myself. When I'm not flying for a long time just the US map sit some. Yes some dusk. Even not the indy out snow on just to sustain the process. So what I have to do in the air to go for one to uncover under like busy Climbing transition just to imagine on line to give me sitting on the on some parts. I we just seats close. My is imagine I'm dabbling. What what kind of action? I'm doing What the I can go right on the okay. I no I did like you know fifty k. I want to go full speed so I can imagine I'm going full speed. What I'm looking in Vietnam looking to canopy to my riser. So the instruments our like again agonize obese timing to to catch every information. I need on the IT. This is the only way. I can fly when I need to work on. This not owns originally. So you a lot of visuals ation yet. I do Because again can fly to fly. I need to to keep the process on keep Tried to keep the fitting on the key. Pica automatic reflects in veer to catching onto US information onto be efficient. Some Mris away if she come fly you say for a long time. I think it's a. It's a good process on A. I'm used to do it to several times during the winter. I don't say I would do it. Everyday. Maybe once a week we forget the ongoing When I'm skipping rope Garage I can move my mind to the flight box. So I'm skipping the okay. I imagine I'm in air. I'm flying I waiting for one point one of our. So what I'm doing here I'm pushing. I'm turning I have to Possess eventing in a moment. I'm doing some sports so Seats with the good point for me to to keep connecting with the binding style important is fitness to something like the super final ration- for potentially twelve days. You need to be fit to Under your wing for say full. Five hours on the musty on these to be able to recover so you are you get Everyday for each task so I will not say you need a crazy training physically. You need to to sleep good to you need to eat. Well we need to to preping on the so your hundred percent of your potential menu button for me when I go to camp. Should I know for myself? I need to train because if I turn a good my month we'll be ready. I know some fight. They don't need to go to get ready physically. But it's a that process to be ready for the COMP but mine I like to know I did my best to be ready so I will not think maybe I need to train more physically to be ready for the COMP. I need it so I the only to think about it. What kind of mental were you trying to get? You know before you show up to a super final and then kind of each day. Do you have any kind of routine or anything you do to get in the right frame of mind and what? What is that frame of mind? Are you trying to be lubar relaxed? Start just trying to be lubar aware. Are there other things that you're chasing in terms of where you're in terms of your head space? So did they already. I would say I'm I'm quite Guy Exciting. So it's quite easy for me to be relaxed. I don't need a many Tours activity on me too good I many need to wake up on Dick of the for mice band sons of yours. I don't need to make some senior Re special during the. What has mentoring I do. I know I like to have my your bag. We might instrument everything ready. like when In the morning when I wake up everything ready I know when I have to go up by It's ready on the white. I'm take off you know sometime. We had some some task. We have to wait free for hours onto pickoff. Nothing happen of one thing to breaching freezing on Vicenza task. So if I you too much aware everytime abridging Concealed new riffing knows or waste. The you make up on so usually when I Put My On close glass informed connected with the desk Moment I can be a briefing proposal to ask about to what we'd have to do. Okay then I put my honest on the ACKLIN. My estimates on I'm in maxine calls at the kind of the funnel effect you know you. He closer and closer to launch. She get more and more focused and in tuned. In to what you're about to do. You don't want distractions and other things at that point. Even in via you need to finds a right to little activity. I can keep between to relax onto our. If you want to be able to get information the information you need Each one of the flight. If show up I say to too much. Not Novels but the two active. Maybe you will miss when information which is go. Swim you issue to relax. Maybe things we undoing the tasking tactics on you Not Aware of what's going on so it's always be streaming which is not so so easy to find so maybe some someday on sentence southern part of the task if I feed I would say maybe a bit sleepy. Maybe I will be able to use the over pilots Task on the VENDA. When have malware Twice to be maybe more powerful to stop or fall the end of the task. Because I know these last two maybe twenty twenty five game. Azam commitment to be focused on. What's going on onto the diamonds on the best? Buy Low today. How important is it? I tend to get really probably very way too relaxed about whether it calms. I just don't even pay any attention and my blown it. I you know you get your briefing in the morning and you fly with everybody else. I just don't find it's that relevant but how important is it? Or how much are you looking at the weather? When you're at a comp sometime we look too much on when things appear to be complicated task but for sure it's good to look to the waiver to know what be the stadiums day noise like football game you are. You're stadium which is out will have the task you have to know how it works as we are what fifty pilot in the air. You will see a very fast. It works it's interesting still no tweeted a It will change. Remove doing today to also be ready to adopt your on your timing or your altitude of flying on the in these a wibble For for sure for sure. It's completely failed when you have to fake goes country or when you have like. You're exert where the weather is so much. Importance from a photo was Rainbow even sometime radio show wrote in the southern coalition. Yeah you have to use every window to to make Shuqair inside. Working Looks Charles. You mentioned that one of the real pitfalls People can get into early on especially but obviously at any time and occurs to too much about the results are there other pitfalls other things that you know. When you're twenty five years these you look back and I could have avoided. That could have done that differently so I would say flyer when you progress. We've oh a win for your living flying the condition of Which is also important and then when you build your skills. Step-by-step no you can go either. Defend Wing Maybe. We've mopeds on Need to have scuppered fight on wing always in a connected to the Always able to phase The MS you allow will have too much spider to want to to FRY mopeds Lamont's wing the finally LS Because they confi as as good in some strong coalition because the wing is still demanding for him on maybe we do at flank the previous wing Which list performance was more easy? We can to two quite big sons with so you have to ready French. We say modest on on the reacts Your putting lighting the down of training or competition the deliver. You want to go on the time you will need to do which is level if you can find on. The radio spire Maybe more time doing the photos. We'd fly waiting to be people organized but every oh you fly you will on notify. You will learn something we progress. I think one of defense I add in my career was playing for phone with those by Your I. West Ryan like. Give us rain control of lying on the zealot. Daniel's even if I make you one flight I okay Alfred these for fun or it's before training It's for training. I will get my flight in civil parts. I know or Kim competed Sean. A push Pushing football at Jens quite the important moment we. Maybe we do it. Only four or five minutes so I need to work for it identify. I fly only one. I need to two well-doing ten twenty. Aw I duNno fifteen minutes. Only for for football gets a fitting to get the feedback. The feedback so Sean I'm ready for so it's I feel I'm willing to have a lack of offending okay. Even if it's so stupid with day to make me I don't know two hundred K. I would just stick to the lookout. Ara On that we climb on every time. Come down just to improve my My skill my my sitting is just not only about the takeoff make under the gate on comeback. Yes when you're talking about turning kind of every flight into an opportunity to train in learn. Yeah maybe for sure if I would say maybe not every flight that if you have a Gore for showing the topic. Was you when you try to go on venue info set up some material to make the debriefing Bitter for spider to input on the. I know we make some sometime. I don't want to make a golden. I just want to for fun on which is normal. Because you should always like your issue. Always go to fly goers At work you know so. It's good night sometimes to try on you like on the beach to yourself and your wins away on You. You just fun. I'm a but each will go to go if you to make I don't know how to make your research in competitions to make your assistant scenic West country for sure your unique to pass by some flight. Somebody food some training which To Improve Your scale on you'll you'll ever faster like in every sport. Yeah of course you can not only play. It's not a need to walk to train. Yeah you last question Charles e when you talk about goals and goal setting could you share some of yours because it sounds like it's more appropriate to set a goal like I want to be a better climber. I want to you know. Learn how to pick better lines. I want to in other words. I want to make goals align with becoming a better pilot not necessarily a goal of I WANNA be top. Three at the world's tone so I can they spend something like the last year. Maybe you see you see is most of the They wearing shutdown not not much in a in the mountain. Unlike ten years ago I was living a direct from Saturday and I say okay. Now we move like you're on the other side of the multi because e to be only flutter in the spot where I'm flying wagon train so we move the David also be spots on. I say okay now you have to take off under the sheets materials. The you which so. It's not it's not very distracting fronts. Unza men which is I'm on. I say okay there because I know I can fly evening. The Montaigne Zorich with what I need to for the for competition. It's to improve my skating. The fats so. I need to move myself to the flat to be able to train as much as I can on the to get the skills for it because when you come from the with which to follow when you arrive in the flats on the somebody Line on Benghazi which you have. You have two lines of routes to understand house of at woking flat to be but the defend element you need to be efficient on the. I know twin a lot in miles. V be we've side wing front win on the Kit You understand. What's going on with the thermal how you can use the line which finally Very some nine over some Tamarack. Ut going always ends the same way which people aligned with any to only which you eat every. I'm you learn the out to exit from Demo. We win you'll now to entertain you know out demel. Bitola IN WAYNE OUT TO DRIFT WITH THIRTY FORTY. Meta wins in the flat on the. This is the kind of in you. Are you have to go to train onto improve? If she wanted. Fly Him so rich. You never face it on venue arrive in this kind of situation you can only say. I don't have the skaters necessary but I like that approach. You gotta you gotTA train train. If you WANNA play the Game Charles. Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. It's It's fantastic to hear your voice. It's been been too long. I'm sorry you're not down at the super final and but I think seems to be some silver linings with all of this and I hope you're enjoying time with your family and I'm sure you are in when by the time this show comes out. The world will have radically changed so I can't even predict but Be Safin and Investi man you're things would return for show so I just want to wish all the best to in committee family friends and let's see how things would go on the wish Gavin weekend of a an idea or barbecuing insulin. Yes I I do too I. I hope that happens. We shall see. I don't I don't think the US has taken this seriously enough early enough. But and so we'll we'll see. I think we're going to be following. They say we're about eleven days behind what's happening in Spain and France and Italy right now so we shall see but yeah fingers crossed. It would be wonderful to have a beer with you and Chilean and do some together. Thank you very much. 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