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The Hashishans Pt. 2
"Something to note all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret. The details included in this episode are based on extensive research but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves in eleven ninety three C e Henry the second of Champagne King of Jerusalem traveled to meet Rashid. Al Deen Non the leader of the order of assassins in Syria for nearly thirty years see non and his assassins had spread fear through the Holy Land but when the Christian Crusades reached Sunanda doorstep he invited Henry to the assassins fortress to broker peace. Henry knew that he was walking into a pit of snakes although he was heavily guarded one of C. Assassins could be lurking anywhere ready to strike from the shadows. The men that Henry could see watched from atop the castles towers see invited Henry to sit then nodded to two of his assassins. Suddenly they throw themselves off the towers and plunged to their deaths. It was a message. The Christian Kings Army may have outnumbered the order but see non had something that Henry didn't complete devotion and a society full of men. Who would die for it? Hi I'm Vanessa. Richardson Greg pulsing. And this is secret. Societies a podcast original every Thursday. We examine history's most exclusive organizations from around the world and try to shine a light on the truth behind the mysterious groups from the illumine. Nadi to the order of nine angles will explore how much impact each secret society actually had on the world around them. This is our second of two episodes on the order of assassins for nearly two hundred years. The Society of elite killers terrorized Persia and the Holy Land. They murdered at the behest of their leaders. In an effort to create unrest and paranoia amongst their enemies they followed a new branch of Islam misery. She is last week. We examined the origin story of the order of assassins and its founder. Hassan e Saba with a mysterious devoted following Hassan and the order dedicated themselves to entering the Eternal Garden of Paradise through the Gateway of Murder. To start they set out to quell the sell. Nukes a sunny Turk empire which rose to power in Persia this week. We'll explore the order struggle to maintain influence in Persia how most radical leader brought fear to the Holy Land and the orders sudden downfall at the hands of an unlikely force from the east. The Mongols will also investigate the mysteries. They left in their wake in eleven. Twenty four Hassani Saba. The founder of the order of assassins was struck down by an unknown illness and for the first time in thirty five years. The order of assassins had new leadership. The next few leaders weren't able to inspire a devoted following or the die the way that Hassani Saba had for fourteen years the order toppled on the verge of a downfall and then in eleven thirty eight Grand Master Muhammad came into power. Muhammad was extremely conservative in his attempts to expand the reach of the order under his rule. There were no major reforms or military campaigns many of the FA FIDAAI found Mohammed slack of enthusiasm troublesome. The orders purpose was to expand and spread. Their faith does Arias Miley. She is a historian. James Waterson posits that Muhammad's trepidation may have had something to do with a ceasefire with Sultan Sanjar which we covered last week. He didn't want the assassins to spread their teachings too far and invite backlash or even another siege on Alam moot that could lead to a famine but the order of assassins didn't fear famine or their own mortality. They were trained to die. Day welcomed it. Mohammed hesitation incited unrest in the organization soon. His own son Hassan. The second gave him trouble Hassan. The second was named of course after the orders I leader and like his namesake Hassan. The second was a fanatic. He devoured the original writings and teachings of the order. It wasn't long before he started rebelling against is Miley tradition drinking wine and disrespecting his elders in his eyes they didn't deserve respect dade grown week. Hassan the second wasn't alone in his discontent. In fact he was able to convince a number of men within the order that he was the Mahdi the Mahdi also known as the Kayem or hidden. Imam was the redeemer. The Mahdi's return with signaling age of spiritual knowledge and the Mahdi would cast evil out of the world if nothing else Hassan. The second was charismatic and charming. With each passing day he gained more. Fahed dice to his 'cause they saw Hassan. The second is the leader. They had long desired. Meanwhile Hassanzadeh seconds Father Muhammad felt that his son was a threat to flex his power. Mohammed did something unexpected. He ordered five hundred of Hassan. The seconds followers to in the courtyard of Allah moot he executed and tied their corpses to the other half the two hundred and fifty men who kept their lives were banished from Allah moot carrying the slaughtered on their backs. Hassan second understood his father's message. He retreated from his more fanatical teachings and bided his time until he could become head of the order despite the internal struggle Mohammed named Hassan. The second his successor by eleven sixty to the thirty five year old was the formal leader of the order of assassins until eleven. Sixty four it was business as usual. At least it's Mars. The records show but then on August eighth in the middle of Ramadan. Everything changed the assassins had been told that an important proclamation was going to be made. No one knew what Hassan the second was going to announce so the eagerly their grandmasters arrival then all eyes turn towards the front entrance of Amoud Castle. Hassan the second dressed in a white robe wearing a white turban and wielding a sword. Walked up to the pulpit. The crowd fell silent with a deep breath. Hassan the second announced that the end of days was upon them. It was the time of Kiama. The resurrection life on Earth would soon be swallowed by sin and the followers of Missouri is Smiley. Azam would be the only ones to enter Paradise. Everyone else would be condemned to eternal hell. He continued Sharia Law. The religious rules that came directly from the Prophet Mohammed was now nullified on his Ariz throughout the Middle East. Should build an internal relationship with a law. This meant no more. Outward shows up devotion like praying five times a day the direction of Mecca Hassan. The second went on to claim that he was the Qaim the bringer of the resurrection. According to James Wasserman's book the templars on the assassins. Islamic doctrine generally holds that Mohammed is the last of six prophets the first were Adam. Noah Abraham Moses and Jesus each with increasing power and authority the Final Prophet and Shia tradition was the qaim by declaring himself Qaim Asanga. Second said he was above the Prophet. Muhammad it was blasphemous after his announcement. Hassan the second held the festival of the resurrection. Since the end of days was upon them there was no need to continue. Ramadan Ramadan is meant to be a month of fasting charity and prayer but Hassan. The second turned it into celebration. The resurrection of joy the key Yama Jabbar tree filled the halls of castle. Harps played loudly for all to hear and the assassins who for decades had been forbidden to drink. Wine now drowned in it any Missouri. Who FAILED TO FOLLOW? Hassan. The seconds directive called the new dispensation was publicly chastised or worse stoned to death. At least that's one account however historian James Waterson notes that much of this story comes from Sunni chroniclers for all intents and purposes the Sunnis were the enemies of the order. Men who had motivation to spread propaganda against them. That being said most nizara Smiley Shiites enthusiastically accepted the message of the Kiama and Hassan. The second does Qaim they were already seen as fanatics throughout the Muslim world. Hassan the seconds declaration was just one step further but the message wasn't only intended for followers of his Arias Miley Azam living in Persia Hassan. The second wanted to reach all who followed the sect in the Levant and Palestine with that in mind Hassan the second sent out missionaries to all the communities beyond Persia to help spread the word. One of the most difficult missions was the one to Syria a region embroiled in turmoil due to the ongoing crusades. Missouri is Smiley. She Ism had a toehold in the area now and Hassan. The seconds proclamation was only GonNa make it harder to win over converts. Luckily for him one of his closest disciples a man he'd befriended during their training was more than prepared to spread his message. That disciples name was Rashid. Aldean's see non with Synon- non leading the charge. The Syrian order of assassins would become legendary. Not only would they strike fear in the Holy Land but they'd extend their power to Western Europe over two thousand miles away coming up rush. Eldeen see not casts a spell over the assassins through the hustle and bustle and stresses of life. Finding the path to positively has never been more crucial at the more fulfilled. You feel the more grounded you become. Well podcast as a wonderful series. That can help you in this quest. It's called daily quote and it's a quick two to three minute daily. Podcast for you to get inspired. By every day on daily quote you'll be given quote meant to motivate uplift and renew your outlook on life. You'll also I'd deeper into the context surrounding the quote learning more about its origin and the meaning behind it have already been so many inspirational quotes featured so far but hands down. My favorite has been by singer-songwriter Leonard Cohen. So whether you're jump-starting the morning searching for midday pick me up or trying to finish the evening off. Strong daily quote offers. Some of history's most inspirational quotes. Whenever you need them. Three hundred sixty five days a year. Follow daily quote free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. Now back to the story in eleven sixty four. The order of the assassins grandmaster Hassan. The second made a controversial declaration. He proclaimed that the end of days was near and that he was the foretold. Qaim the one to bring the resurrection in Persia. The announcement was met with enthusiasm among his followers. The NIZARA IS SMILEY SHIITES BUT HASSAN. Second needed to spread his message beyond Persia so he sent his disciple. Rasheed al-Deen seen on to Syria. Since the days of Hassani Saba the order of assassins had attempted to gain influence in Syria with link success for about twenty years be assassins had held control in the city of Aleppo but they were eventually expelled by the cell jokes. That didn't stop the order from fighting to regain their lost ground beginning at eleven twenty five. The assassins had slowly acquired castles throughout the mountain regions avoiding major cities throughout the eleven. Forty s during grandmaster Mohammad's reign as leader the Syrian assassins actually allied themselves with the Knights hospitallers a Catholic military order. The hospitallers may sound familiar. We covered them previously in our episodes on the Knights templar but peace between the assassins and the hospitallers didn't last for long at eleven fifty to ten years before Hassan. The second took power. Count Raymond the second of Tripoli became the first Christian to fall to an assassin's dagger his death shocked Christendom. Regicide was uncommon in Western Europe in response the Christian Knights templar massacred the NIZARA Smiley Shiites in Syria. The order wasn't prepared to defend themselves to stop the killings. The Syrian assassins were forced to pay the templars an annual tribute the Syrian. Assassins seemed like they were on the verge of collapse once more. That is until the early sixties when Hassan second scientists disciple thirty year. Old Roy she'd aldean's see non to Castle Mossy off. He was supposed to bring stability back to the order than to spread the message of the coming. Kiama legend has it that when Rashid al. Dnc Non arrived at Mossy off castle. He wrote into the courtyard white donkey. Which according to historian James Waterson was historically the color of resistance for all Shiites? The message was clear. See Non was going to make sure the assassins flourished in the Sunni region. But instead of resisting right away seen onslaught to amass a loyal following. He didn't think the Syrian leader of the order would appreciate his reform efforts so rather than challenge them directly see non waited for him to make a MISSTEP or die meanwhile back in La moot a growing sect of assassins were growing of Hassan seconds. Blasphemous declarations this new conservative. Kabbal turn to Hassan. The seconds brother-in-law believed to be named Hassan Bin Numb. Were to lead a. Who in January eleven sixty six four years into SAMBA seconds? Leadership non were approached when the time was right and Hassan. The second wasn't looking. Non were revealed his dagger and stabbed Hassan. The second repeatedly killing him instantly. The brutal murder was supposed to bring a sense of normalcy back to the order of assassins instead. Hassam the second son Mohammed. The second squash the insurrection and executed his uncle for murder and under Mohammed. The seconds leadership. He announced that Kiama was to continue even in Syria. After seven. Long years this Syrian leader died and it was time for C. non to make his move he produced a secret letter from the deceased Hassam. The second in eleven sixty nine it named see non as his successor. He was now officially the head of the Syrian assassins but CNN's takeover of the Syrian assassins created a split within the order as a whole see non had believed in Hassan the second and his Kiara doctrine but he didn't have the same faith and Hassan. The second son Muhammad the second therefore the Syrian assassins under rushing ALDEAN's Synon- cut ties with castle. Alamo Muhammad. The second was enraged by the challenge to his authority. Cnn's disobedience and blasphemy had to be stopped so Mohamed the second dispatched men to eliminate him throb. The eleven seventy s assassin after assassin was sent to murder scene on but according to legend seen on and his men either killed them I or converted them to his ranks. Apparently Synon- was incredibly convincing. He was said to be the embodiment of the order's founder Hassani Saba as charismatic as intelligent and as hypnotic rumors circulated that he may have even had supernatural powers. It wasn't long before he took on a mythical persona he was believed to be psychic with the ability to read people's thoughts and speak to animals. According to one account see non once began talking to a horse when he finished the horse dropped to the ground dead he then turned to the crowd of onlookers and proclaimed that the horse was actually a reincarnated princess. With the help of a law. He'd freed the princess from it's cruel master. It's likely that Synon- played into these rumors. He may have even used some of Hassani Sabas tactics to encourage fanaticism and devotion amongst his followers including the famous garden of Paradise. If you recall from last week the garden of Paradise was parlor trick. Hassan used on his FIDAAI. Using a garden theatrics women and drugs. He convinced his men that they were given a glimpse of Paradise. Then he tell them that if they tied for the orders 'cause they would once again be granted access in addition to the garden of Paradise Charade seen on was said to have more tricks to convince his followers of his powers while there are a couple of different iterations of the tail. The gist of it goes like this. Seeing on would bring a group of his eye into a chamber in the middle of the floor. A decapitated head waited for them. Then to the shock and horror of the FIDAAI it spoke. It told them what paradise looked like the trees. The milk and honey and the beautiful maidens when the head was finished the Dine left the chamber in all of see non mystical powers and the promise of Paradise is in reality. The talking head was actually just a man buried in a small hole up to his neck once the were gone from the chamber. See Non actually decapitated the man as proof that the head had been severed the whole time. The theatrics worked with seen non in charge. The order of assassins were once again feared in the Holy Land particularly amongst Christians to them. The fanatical allegiance of the order was unimaginable and that devotion was never more on display than when see non had his assassins. Perform ritual death drops with a simple nod from synon- assassins would jump off fortress towers a cliffs. Such demonstrations were allegedly put on a show of strength. The clear sign that the FA die were willing to die for Synon- at any moment for any reason they're commitment was their strength and yet according to historians. There's no actual proof that any such demonstrations ever occurred the most famous account of the death shops and many legends surrounding the order actually comes from Marco Polo. Polo's visit to the Holy Land occurred in the Twelfth Seventies almost twenty years after the order's eventual collapse many of the tales that Polo had been passed down through generations of Europeans who visited the area prior to his arrival famous. Crusader chroniclers like William of Tyre the Archbishop of Tyre from eleven seventy five to eleven eighty six and jock. Db Tree who was bishop of Acre from twelve. Sixteen to Twelve Twenty eight William Jacques and other European historians often embellish their stories not to mention their sources are often Sunni Muslims men and women intentionally spreading anti assassin propaganda historian. Farhadi Duff Tari notes. The death drop legend likely stems from the belief that the assassins drugged themselves. They were in such a state of intoxication that they plunged to their own deaths but as we discussed last week. There's almost no evidence to suggest drug use amongst the order at all doctoring notes that the death drop legends have also been attributed to Hassani Subas son in fact almost all of the legends regarding see non in Syria have been conflicted with stories. A pass Tani Saba in Allitt and vice versa. So it's difficult to assess the truth behind the claims which assassin legend originated with Hassan in the ten nineties and which originated with see non in the eleven seventies. It's sort of like a medieval game of telephone. That being said there's no question that Rashid Aldean's see non reignited the assassins fearsome reputation and not long. After his reign began he found himself at war. With one of Islam's most fearsome general's Salahudeen Yussef better known as solid the man who reclaimed Jerusalem for the Muslims. But his victory in the Crusades didn't turn many allies amongst his own people solids controversial life made him and the assassins into some of the most hated and feared men in the world. Coming up the Syrian assassins. Go to war with Sunni Muslims and Christian Crusaders. Now back to the story in eleven. Sixty nine rush. She'd aldean's non became the leader of the Syrian assassins and broke ties with the Persians in Allah. Moot channeling the order's founder Hassani Saba. He created a cult of personality that led to a growing loyal following in the process. He brought the order back to prominence in Syria. A once volatile region but as C. non-secured his own power a- powerful Sunni leader was doing the same Salah Dean Yousef better known to history as solid in in eleven. Seventy one solid dean. A general for the Zanchi Dynasty entered Cairo and declared the Fatimid Caliphate over the zone keys were proxies for the Celtics who ruled over present day northern Iraq and parts of Syria in place of the fat amid solid in created the new a you bid dynasty named after. His father. Najim a deny YouTube with the snap of a finger the first and only is Miley. Caliphate moves over for three years. Salahuddin ruled over the region as vizier. And as a proxy to the Sankei but in eleven seventy four with the death of the zone keyed on Mir Sullivan seized the moment to declare himself Sultan of Egypt. His mission was to unify all of the Sunnis under the IU Bid Dynasty and expel the Christians from the Holy Land One by one the cities and regions that had fractured under fought amid or a cell joke rule. Fell to Saladin will many the cities like Damascus. Even willingly pledged their loyalty to the new Sultan. But residents of Aleppo Syria weren't so willing their allegiances were still with the Sunnis on key dynasty and so Salahaddin turn to the order of assassins for help. But he didn't get it raw she'd aldean's see non and the assassins hated this on kids but solid was the larger threat so the order. Amazon kids joined forces as they say. The enemy of my enemy is my friend while his kids faced salad. And in open combat. The assassins tried their own proven tactics in October. Eleven seventy four Sullivan was on his way from Damascus to Aleppo when a group of assassins rushed into his tent. The I was immediately decapitated by one. A Saladin guards but more made their way inside to finish what the I couldn't to kill solid. Unfortunately a host of Sullivan's men had come to his aid. The assassins were outnumbered one by one. They were put to death not to be deterred see nonsense more of had to end salads life in. May Eleven seventy six solid and went to rest alone in his tent. An assassin disguised as one of solid bodyguards rushed in and attacked but his dagger didn't meet Flesh. Instead it came into contact with the chainmail protecting Solomons neck solid and fought back overpowering the assassin enough to allow his men to kill the intruder but in the midst of the chaos a second assassin rushed into the tent hoping to finish off the sultan according to historian. James Waterson. The two assassins were literally hacked to pieces. Sullivan survived but the attempt showed solid in that see non and his assassins were more than just a thorn in his side. What they lacked in strength in numbers they made up for in stealth and fearlessness in August solid and launched a retaliatory attack on castle Moscow off a siege around the assassin stronghold. It's unclear exactly how long the siege lasted but there. They're two stories as to how it ended both accounts come from. Cnn's personal biographer. Kamal Al Deen. The first version is that Synon- sent threatening letters to solid in but letters implied that non had no fear of death. But promise that Saladin would be killed by a man in his own ranks in other words. See Non had moles and Salads court fearing for. His Life Solomon withdrew his siege in the second version. Cenon sent ambassadors to solid Sullivan's camp to negotiate a truce paranoid that they would try to kill him solid in added extra guards to his tent including a couple of Turkish. Mom Luke's or enslaved soldiers. When the assassin ambassadors finally arrived they demanded privacy to deliver their message solid and ordered everyone to leave except to with the Turkish Mamelukes when the ambassador asked Saladin why the mom. Luke stayed solid and replied. I regard these two as my own sons and they and I are as one one of the ambassadors smiled and turn to the MOM. Luke guards he asked them. If I order you in the name of my master to kill this all tin would you do so to solid in shock and horror? The mom looks drew their swords and responded command us as you wish whatever. The story solid in was paranoid that an assassin could be anywhere he decided it was smarter not to provoke the order so he packed up his troops and left. Mossy off castle the war between the order of assassins and solid in had come to an end. Synon- never ordered another assassination against solid din again. Instead the two seemingly joined forces. They set their sights on another enemy. The Christian crusaders but the assassins didn't immediately engage the Crusaders in combat. They patiently waited for solid in a massive army to most of the work for them. If they're newest ally and former enemy happened to lose met along the way the better in fact the assassins likely didn't actually fight alongside solid in until the battle of Houghton in July eleven eighty seven over a decade after they supposedly made peace in a strategic blunder. The Crusaders had moved the majority of their forces away from Jerusalem and searched for solid in the desert there. They succumb to thirst with each passing day. They grew weaker when they were at their lowest solid. Surrounded them at the horns of Houghton. The Crusaders didn't stand a chance. There isn't definitive proof that the assassins were present hockey team. But it isn't hard to imagine. The order still paid tribute to the Knights templar defeating them in battle would mean killing their debtors. Which would've been reason enough for rush? She'd I'll DC non and his men to show up in droves. After the battle of eighteen Jerusalem fell to solid in which led to the third crusade beginning in eleven eighty nine Christians from Europe flocked to the Holy Land to a once again. Reclaim what they'd lost. The influx threaten the orders ability to carry out their mission of expansion and conversion. They were outnumbered everywhere. They went by eleven ninety two. The Crusaders had reclaimed quite a bit of land for the Kingdom of Jerusalem. By April. They only had to conquer Jerusalem itself Marquis Conrad of Mont Ferret an Italian. Who'd helps defend the Christian city of Tyre was appointed the new king of Jerusalem as soon as the city was officially taken. Conrad would be crowned. Unfortunately his coronation would never come. April twenty eighth. Conrad was returning from lunch with a bishop when two monks approached him. The men suddenly brandished daggers from their robes and stabbed Conrad in the heart repeatedly. The assassins were soon captured but before they were put to death. They confess that they'd been sent by their master. Rasheed aldean's on but since the brutal killing alternative theories have arisen as to who actually the assassination it could have been the British king. Richard the Lionheart who jealously orchestrated the assassination when he wasn't named King of Jerusalem himself but the most prominent theory remains that Synon- ordered the death and his motivation was revenge. Conrad had previously seized a cargo ship with goods belonging to the assassins he'd then executed the entire crew men with ties to see non and the order but regardless of who ordered the assassination the death of Conrad of Mont Frat changed the course of history in response to his murder. Peace was made between the Christians and the Muslims effectively ending the third crusade. Jerusalem remained under Muslim control because of this most historians believe that Conrad of Montserrat was Rashid. Aldean's CNN's final assassination the following year. Conrad's successor Henry. The second of Champagne allegedly visited seen on at Mossy Castle to broker a truce see. Non allegedly staged an assassin death drop to dissuade Henry. Second from retaliating for Conrad's murder legend has it. The demonstration worked not long after seen on died of unknown causes however some believed that he went into hiding viatical tation about means rather than entering paradise or Hell. His body and spirit simply vanished to wait until it was time to return many news. Arias my lease still await. See nonce second coming. In the meanwhile sign-ons followers needed a leader to guide THEM IN HIS ABSENCE. His death in eleven ninety three the Syrian assassins reunited with those in Persia. Who were still under the control of Mohammed? The second their former disagreements didn't seem so important now that see non was no longer around but the merged order of assassins could never return to its former glory. No other leader could capture the enthusiasm that Hassani Sabha or Rasheed aldean's see non had ignited within the Organization for the next fifty years. A series of inept leaders weakened their position in Persia and Syria even after the collapse of the Cell Joke Empire in eleven ninety four the assassins were unable to capitalize on the resulting power vacuum instead new Sunni caliphates or dynasties took control of the region leaving the waning assassins on the sidelines. Once more for the order of assassins death arrived on two fronts. The first the Mongol Empire from the east after three years of slowly making their way through Persia the Mongols reached the steps of alum mood castle unlike past seizures the Mongols managed to make it inside and when they did in December twelve fifty six. They destroyed everything. They burnt the assassins libraries and demolish their gardens. They wanted to erase the order from history. And in the process they brought the once great portraits to ruins. Meanwhile the Syrian assassins managed to hold on a while longer until the rise of the MOM. Luke Sultanate in the twelve fifties in September twelve sixty. The Mom Luke's expelled the Mongols from Syria and gained control of the region. The Syrian assassins survived by paying the mom looks tribute for the next eleven years in twelve. Seventy one. The Mom Luke leader learned of an assassination plot against him by the Syrian assassins. And so he crush them in the span of two years he captured every assassin fortress in the region including their last stronghold Mossy off. The order of assassins was officially no more. But unlike the Mongols the mom luke's weren't interested in erasing them from history in fact the Mongols found a new use for their captives if they needed someone dead. They paid a former Sassan to do the work for them from ten ninety. Two twelve seventy three. The order of assassins rain brought fear to the lands. They inhabited in the process. They turned assassination into an art form. Legends about the order have fascinated westerners ever since crusaders brought their stories of ferocity back with them claims of fantastical garden of paradise ritual suicidal death deathtraps and drug induced mind control methods shocked. The world to most the order of assassins was a fanatical. Religious Group led by a cult leader a fringe movement within the Muslim community to others. They were an elite group of holy warriors regardless for nearly two hundred years. These specially trained killers spread fear throughout the Holy Land and Persia. The order is gone today but their legacy lives on. Their tactics have been imitated and replicated for centuries though we may never know the truth of what actually went on inside the walls of Alamoudi Castle. One thing is undeniably true. The order of assassins was one of history's deadliest secret societies. Thanks again for tuning into secret. Societies will be back on Thursday with a new episode. You can find all episodes of secret societies and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only to spotify already. Have all your favorite music. But now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like secret societies for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream secret societies on spotify just the APP and type secret societies in the Search Bar. And don't forget to follow us on facebook and Instagram at podcast and twitter at podcast network. We'll see you. Next time secret societies was created by Max Cutler and podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound design by Michael Langner with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Joshua Kern. This episode of secret. 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S10: Infamous: The Hashashins Pt. 2
"Something to note all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret. The details included in this episode are based on extensive research, but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves. In eleven ninety. Three C E Henry the second of Champagne King of Jerusalem traveled to meet Rashid Al Deen Non the leader of the order of assassins in Syria for nearly thirty years see non, and his assassins had spread fear through the Holy Land but when the Christian Crusades reached Sunanda doorstep he invited Henry to the assassins fortress to broker peace. Henry knew that he was walking into a pit of snakes although he was heavily guarded one of C.. C. Assassins could be lurking anywhere ready to strike from the shadows, the men that Henry could see watched from atop the castles towers see invited Henry to sit, then nodded to two of his assassins. Suddenly they throw themselves off the towers and plunged to their deaths. It was a message. The Christian Kings Army may have outnumbered the order, but see non had something that Henry didn't complete devotion and a society full of men who would die for it. Hi, I'm Vanessa Richardson, but I'm Greg pulsing, and this is secret societies, a podcast original every Thursday. We examine history's most exclusive organizations from around the world, and try to shine a light on the truth behind the mysterious groups from the illumine Nadi, to the order of nine angles, will how much impact each secret society actually had on the world around them. This is our second of two episodes on the order of assassins for nearly two hundred years, the Society of elite killers terrorized Persia, and the holy, land they murdered at the behest of their leaders in an effort to create unrest and paranoia amongst their enemies. They followed a new branch of Islam Missouri is Miley she is? Last week we examined the origin story of the order of assassins and its founder Hassan e Saba with a mysterious devoted following Hassan and the order dedicated themselves to entering the eternal. Garden of Paradise through the Gateway of murder to start they set out to quell the sell nukes, a Sunny Turk empire, which rose to power in Persia this week we'll explore the order struggle to maintain influence in Persia how most radical leader brought fear to the Holy Land the orders, sudden downfall at the hands of an unlikely force from the east. The Mongols will also investigate the mysteries. They left in their wake. In eleven twenty four Hassani Saba. The founder of the order of assassins was struck down by an unknown illness, and for the first time in thirty five years, the order of assassins had new leadership. The next few leaders weren't able to inspire a devoted following or the die the way that Hassani Saba had for fourteen years. The order toppled on the verge of a downfall, and then in eleven thirty eight Grand Master Muhammad came into power Muhammad was extremely conservative in his attempts to expand the reach of the order under his rule, there were no major reforms or military campaigns. Many of the FIDAAI found Mohammed. Slack enthusiasm troublesome. The orders purpose was to. To expand and spread their faith does Arias Miley she ism historian James Waterson posits that Muhammad's trepidation may have had something to do with a ceasefire with Sultan Sanjar, which we covered last week, he didn't want the assassins to spread their teachings too far and invite backlash or even another siege on Alam moot that could lead to a famine, but the order of assassins didn't fear famine or their own mortality. They were trained to die. Day welcomed it. Muhammad's hesitation incited unrest in the organization soon. His own son Hassan the second gave him trouble. Hassan the second was named of course after the orders I leader and like his namesake. Hassan the second was a fanatic, he devoured the original writings and teachings of the order. It wasn't long before he started rebelling against. Is Miley tradition drinking wine and disrespecting his elders in his eyes? They didn't deserve respect. Dade grown week, Hassan. The second wasn't alone in his discontent. In fact, he was able to convince a number of men within the order that he was the Mahdi. Mahdi the Mahdi also known as the Kayem or hidden, Imam was the redeemer, the Mahdi's return with signaling of spiritual knowledge, and the Mahdi would cast evil out of the world if nothing else Hassan the second was charismatic and charming with each passing day, he gained more. Fahed is to his 'cause they saw Hassan. The second is the leader they had long desired meanwhile Hassanzadeh. Seconds Father Muhammad felt that his son was a threat to flex his power. Mohammed did something unexpected. He ordered five hundred of Hassan. The seconds followers to in the courtyard of Allah moot, he executed half and tied their corpses to the other. Half the two hundred and fifty men, who kept their lives, were banished from Allah moot, carrying the slaughtered on their backs Osama second understood his father's message, he retreated from his more fanatical teachings, and bided his time until he could become head of the order despite the internal struggle. Mohammed Hassan. The second his successor by eleven sixty to the thirty five year old, was the formal leader of the order of assassins until eleven sixty four, it was business as usual at least Mars. The records show, but then on August eighth in the middle of Ramadan everything changed. The assassins had been told that an important proclamation was going to be made. No one knew what Hassan. The second was going to announce so the eagerly. Their grandmasters arrival then all eyes turn towards the front entrance of Amoud Castle Hassan, the second, dressed in a white robe, wearing a white turban, and wielding a sword, walked up to the pulpit. The crowd fell silent. With a deep breath Hassan, the second announced that the end of days was upon them. It was the time of Kiama the resurrection life on Earth would soon be swallowed by sin, and the followers of Missouri is Smiley Azam would be the only ones to enter paradise. Everyone else would be condemned to eternal hell. He continued Sharia law the religious rules that came directly from the Prophet. Mohammed was now. On his Ariz throughout the Middle East should build an internal relationship with a law. This meant no more outward shows up devotion like praying five times a day, the direction of Mecca Hassan the second went on to claim that he was the Qaim the bringer of the resurrection. According to James Wasserman's book, the templars on the assassins Islamic doctrine generally holds that Mohammed is the last of six prophets. The first were Adam Noah, Abraham Moses and Jesus each with increasing power and authority. The Final Prophet and Shia tradition was the qaim by declaring himself Qaim Asanga second, said he was above the Prophet Muhammad, it was blasphemous after his announcement Hassan the second held the festival of the Resurrection, since the end of days was upon them. There was no need to continue. Ramadan Ramadan is meant to be a month of fasting charity and prayer, but Hassan. The second turned it into celebration, the resurrection of Joy, the key, Yama. Jabbar tree filled the halls of castle. Harps played loudly for all to hear and the assassins who, for decades had been forbidden to drink wine now drowned in it. Any. Missouri who failed to follow Hassan? The seconds directive called the new dispensation was publicly chastised or worse stoned to death. At least that's one account, however, historian James Waterson notes that much of this story comes from Sunni chroniclers for all intents and purposes. The Sunnis were the enemies of the order men who had motivation to spread propaganda against them, that being said most Nizara Smiley Shiites enthusiastically accepted the message of the Kiama and Hassan. The second does Qaim they were already seen as fanatics throughout the Muslim World Hassan, the seconds declaration was just one step further. But the message wasn't only intended for followers of his Arias Miley Azam, living in Persia. On the second wanted to reach all who followed the sect in the Levant and Palestine, with that in mind, Hassan the second sent out missionaries to all the communities beyond Persia to help spread the word. One of the most difficult missions was the one to Syria a region embroiled in turmoil due to the ongoing crusades. Missouri is Smiley. She Ism Barrelli had a toehold in the area now and Hassan the seconds proclamation was. was only, GonNa make it harder to win over converts, Luckily for him, one of his closest disciples, a man he'd befriended during their training was more than prepared to spread his message. That disciples name was Rashid. ALDEAN's Cenon with Synon- leading the charge. The Syrian order of assassins would become legendary, not only would they strike fear in the Holy Land, but they'd extend their power to Western. Europe over two thousand miles away. Coming up rush, Eldeen see not casts a spell over the assassinations now back to the story. In eleven sixty four, the order of the assassins, grandmaster has been the second made a controversial declaration, he proclaimed the end of days was near, and that he was the foretold Qaim the one to bring the resurrection in Persia the announcement was met with enthusiasm among his followers the. Is Smiley Shiites but Hassan second needed to spread his message beyond Persia, so he sent his disciple Rasheed Aldean's seen on to Syria, since the days of Hassani Sabha. The order of assassins had attempted to gain influence in Syria with middling success for about twenty years be assassins had held control in the city of Aleppo, but they were eventually expelled by the sell nukes. Nukes that didn't stop the order from fighting to regain their lost ground beginning at eleven twenty five, the assassins had slowly acquired castles throughout the mountain regions, avoiding major cities throughout the eleven forties during grandmaster Mohammad's reign as leader. The Syrian assassins actually allied themselves with the Knights hospitallers a Catholic military order. The hospitallers may sound familiar. We covered them previously in our episodes. Episodes on the Knights templar, but peace between the assassins send the hospitallers didn't last for long at eleven fifty to ten years before Hassan, the second took power count Raymond. The second of Tripoli became the first Christian to fall to an assassin's dagger. His death shocked Christendom. Regicide was uncommon in Western Europe in response. The Christian Knights templar massacred the Zaari Smiley Shiites in. In Syria. The order wasn't prepared to defend themselves to stop the killings. The Syrian assassins were forced to pay the templars an annual tribute. The Syrian assassins seemed like they were on the verge of collapse. Once more that is until the early eleven sixty s when Hassan the second sentence disciple thirty year old Roy. She'd aldean's Synon- TO CASTLE MOSSY OFF in Syria. He was supposed to bring stability back to the order to spread the message of the coming Kiama. Legend. Has It that when Rashid Al Deen See non arrived at Mossy off castle. He rode into the courtyard on a white donkey, which according to historian James. Waterson was historically the color of resistance for all Shiites. The message was clear. See Non was going to make sure. The assassins flourished in the Sunni region, but instead of resisting right away, synon- sought to amass a loyal following. He didn't think the Syrian leader of the order would appreciate his reform efforts so rather than challenge him directly see non waited for him to make a misstep or die. Meanwhile back in Allah Moot, a growing sect of assassins were growing wary of Hassan, the seconds blasphemous declarations. This new conservative cabal turned to Hassan the seconds brother-in-law believed to be named Hassan Been Numb were to lead a coup in January. Eleven sixty six four years into Hassan seconds leadership non were approached when the time was right and Hassan. The second wasn't looking. Looking non were revealed his dagger and stabbed on the second, repeatedly killing him instantly, the brutal murder was supposed to bring a sense of normalcy back to the order of assassins, instead Hassam the second son, Muhammed, the second, squashed, the insurrection, and executed his uncle for murder, and under Mohammed the seconds leadership. He announced that Kiama was to continue even in Syria. After seven long years, the Syrian leader died and it was time for C. non to make his move. He produced a secret letter from the deceased Hassan the second in eleven sixty nine. It named see non as his successor. He was now officially the head of the Syrian assassins, but Siemens takeover of the Syrian assassins created a split within the order as a whole seon on had believed in Hassan, the second and his Kiama doctrine, but he didn't have the same faith in Hassan, the second son Muhammad, the second, therefore the Syrian assassins under Rashid Aldean's seen non cut ties with castle. Muhammed! The second was enraged by the challenge to his authority. CNN's disobedience and blasphemy had to be stopped so Mohamed. The second dispatched men to eliminate him. Throughout the eleven, seventy s assassin after assassin was sent to murder scene Aung, but according to legend Seon, and his men, either killed them I or converted them to his ranks, apparently see non was incredibly convincing. He was to be the embodiment of the order's founder Hassani Saba, as charismatic as intelligent, and as hypnotic rumours circulated that he may have even had supernatural powers. It wasn't long before he took on a mythical persona. He was believed to be psychic with the ability to read people's thoughts and speak to animals, according to one account see non once began talking to a horse. finished. The horse dropped to the ground dead. He then turned to the crowd of onlookers and proclaimed that the horse was actually a reincarnated princess with the help of a law. He'd freed the princess from. It's cruel master. It's likely that non played into these rumors. He may have even used some of Hassani Sabas tactics to encourage fanaticism and devotion amongst his followers, including the famous garden of Paradise. If you recall from last week, the garden of Paradise was a parlor trick Hassan used on. On his FA- FIDAAI, using a garden, theatrics, women and drugs. He convinced his men that they were given a glimpse of Paradise then he tell them that. If they tied for the orders, 'cause they would once again be granted access in addition to the garden of Paradise Charade seen was said to have more tricks to convince his followers of his powers, while there are a couple of different iterations of the tail. Gist of it goes like this. Cenon on would bring a group of his FA-. FIDAAI into a chamber in the middle of the floor, a decapitated head waited for them then to the shock and horror of the FIDAAI. It spoke it told them what paradise looked like the trees, the milk and honey, and the beautiful maidens, when the head was finished the third I left the chamber in all of see nonce mystical powers, and the promise of Paradise in reality. The talking head was actually just a man buried in a small hole up to his neck once the Fed I were gone from the chamber. See Non actually decapitated the man as proof that the head had been severed the whole time, the theatrics worked with non in charge. The order of assassins were once again feared in the Holy Land particularly amongst Christians to them. The fanatical allegiance of the order was unimaginable, and devotion was never more on display than when see non had his assassins perform ritual death drops with a simple nod from synon- assassins would jump off fortress towers cliffs. Such demonstrations were allegedly put on us a show of strength, the clear sign that the FA die were willing to die for Synon- at any moment for any reason they're commitment was. was their strength and yet according to historians, there's no actual proof that any such demonstrations ever occurred the most famous account of the death drops, and many legends, surrounding the order actually comes from Marco Polo Polo's visit to the holy. Land occurred in the Twelfth Seventies. Almost twenty years after the order's eventual collapse, many of the tales that Polo heard had been passed down through generations of Europeans who visited the area prior to his arrival. Famous Crusader chroniclers like William Tyre the Archbishop of Tyre from eleven seventy, five to eleven eighty, six and Jacques. DB Tree, who was bishop of Acre from Twelve Sixteen to twelve, twenty eight. William Jacques and other European. Historians off embellish their stories not to mention their sources are often Sunni Muslims men and women intentionally spreading anti assassin propaganda historian Farhadi Duff Tari notes the death drop legend likely stems from the belief that the assassins drugged themselves. They were in such a state of intoxication that they plunged to their own deaths, but as we discussed last week. There's almost no evidence to suggest drug use amongst the order at all doffed Tari notes that the death drop legends have also been attributed to Hassani Sabah's son in fact almost all. All of the legends regarding see non in Syria have been conflated with stories of Hassani Sabha in Alamo, Te and vice versa, so it's difficult to assess the truth behind the claims which assassin legend originated with Hassan in the ten ninety S, and which originated with Synon- non in the eleven seventy S. it's sort of like a medieval game of telephone that being said there's no question that Rashid Aldean's see non reignited the assassins, fearsome reputation, and not long after his reign began, he found himself at war with one of Islam's most fearsome general's Salah. Yousef better known as solid the man who claim Jerusalem for the Muslims, but his victory in the Crusades didn't turn many allies amongst his own people solids controversial life made him and the assassins into some of the most hated and feared men in the world. Coming up the Syrian assassins go to war with Sunni Muslims and Christian Crusaders now back to the story. In eleven sixty nine, rushing aldean's see non became the leader of the Syrian assassins and broke ties with the Persians in Allah moot. Channeling the order's founder, Hassani Sabha He created a cult of personality that led to a growing loyal following in the process, he brought the order back to prominence in Syria a once-volatile volatile region, but as C. Non secured his own power. A powerful Sunni leader was doing the same Salahedeen Yousef better known to history as solid in. In eleven seventy one solid dean, a general for the zone, key dynasty, entered Cairo, and declared the fought amid caliphate over the Yankees were proxies for the Cell Celtics who ruled over present day, northern Iraq and parts of Syria in place of the fat amid solid in created the new bid dynasty named after his father. Najim a deny YouTube. With, the snap of finger, the first, and only is Miley Caliphate so far for three years, Sala Din ruled over the region as Vice Zere, and as a proxy to Zanchi Seeds, but in eleven seventy four with the death of the Zanchi Amir solid in seized the moment to declare himself Sultan of Egypt, his mission was to unify all of the Sunnis under the I you bid dynasty and expel the Christians from the Holy Land. One by one the cities and regions that had fractured under fought amid or Seljuk rule fell to solid will many. Many the cities like Damascus. Even willingly pledged their loyalty to the new Sultan but residents of Aleppo Syria weren't so willing. Their allegiances were still with the Sunnis on key dynasty, and so Saladin turned to the order of assassins for help, but he didn't get it raw. She'd aldean's non and the assassins hated this on kids, but salad was the larger threat, so the order and Zahn kids joined forces as they say. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. While this on kids faced Saladin in open combat, the assassins tried their own proven tactics. In October eleven seventy four. Sullivan was on his way from Damascus to Aleppo. When a group of assassins rushed into was tent, the I was immediately decapitated by one of Saladin scarves, but more made their way inside to finish what the I couldn't to kill Saladin. Unfortunately, a host of Sullivan's men had come to his aid. The assassins were outnumbered one by one. They were put to death. Not to be deterred, see nonsense more of his I to and solid dense life in May eleven, seventy, six solid, and went to rest alone in his tent, and assassin disguised as one of solid ins, bodyguards rushed in and attacked, but his dagger didn't meet Flash instead it came into contact with the chainmail, protecting solid neck solid, and fought back, overpowering the assassin long enough to allow his men to kill. Kill the intruder, but in the midst of the chaos, a second assassin rushed into the tent, hoping to finish off the Sultan, according to historian James Waterson. The two assassins were literally hacked to pieces Sullivan survived, but the attempt showed solid in that see non and his assassins were more than just a thorn in his side, what they lacked in strength in numbers they made up for in Stealth and fearlessness. In August solid and launched a retaliatory attack on castle Moscow off a siege around the assassin stronghold. It's unclear exactly how long the siege lasted, but there are two stories as to how it ended both accounts come from CNN's personal biographer. Kamal Al Deen the first version. Is that Synon- sent threatening letters to Saladin. IMPLIED THAT NON had no fear of death, but promise that solid would be killed by a man in his own ranks in other words see non had moles and solid in court. Fearing for his life solid withdrew his siege in the second version, see nonsense embassador to Saladin camp to negotiate a truce paranoid that they would try to kill him. Sullivan added extra guards to his tent, including a couple of Turkish mom, Luke's or enslaved soldiers when the assassin ambassadors finally arrived, they demanded privacy to deliver their message solid and ordered everyone to leave except to the. Mom Luke's when the ambassadors asked Saladin why the mom luke stayed solid and replied I regard these two as my own sons, and they an I are as one one of the ambassadors, smiled and turned to the mom luke guards. He asked them if I order you in the name of my master to kill this Sultan. Would you do so? To solids, shock and horror. The mom luke's drew their swords and responded. Command us. You wish whatever the story solid in was paranoid that an assassin could be anywhere. He decided it was smarter not to provoke the order, so he packed up his troops, and left to Musi off castle, the war between the order of assassins and solid in had come to an end. Cenon never ordered another assassination against solid in a game. Instead the two seemingly join forces. They set their sights on another enemy the Christian Crusaders. But the assassins didn't immediately engage the Crusaders in combat, they patiently waited for solid in his massive army to do most of the work for them if they're newest ally and former enemy happened to lose matt along the way all the better in fact, the assassins likely didn't actually fight alongside solid in until the battle of Haute. Teen in July eleven eighty seven over a decade after they supposedly made peace in a strategic blunder, the crusaders had moved the majority of their forces away from Jerusalem and searched for solid in in the desert. There they succumbed thirst with each passing day. They grew weaker when they were at their lowest solid and surrounded them at the horns of hot team. The Crusaders didn't stand a chance. There isn't definitive proof that the assassins were present at hockey team, but it isn't hard to imagine the order still paid tribute to the Knights Templar, defeating them in battle would mean killing their debtors, which would have been reason enough for rush. ALDEAN's see non and his men to show up in droves. After the battle of hot teen, Jerusalem fell to solid in which led to the third crusade beginning in eleven, eighty nine Christians from Europe flocked to the Holy Land to once again reclaim what they've lost. The influx threatened the orders ability to carry out their mission of expansion and conversion. They were outnumbered everywhere. They went. By eleven ninety two, the Crusaders had reclaimed quite a bit of land for the Kingdom of Jerusalem my April they only had to conquer Jerusalem itself. Marquis Conrad of Montserrat an Italian. Who'd helps defend. The Christian city of Tyre was appointed the new king of Jerusalem. As soon as the city was officially taken. Conrad would be crowned. Unfortunately, his coronation would never come. On April Twenty Eighth Conrad was returning from lunch with a bishop when two monks approached him, the men suddenly brandished daggers from their robes, and stabbed Conrad in the heart. Repeatedly, the assassins were soon captured, but before they were put to death. They confess that they'd been sent by their master Rasheed Deans on, but since the brutal killing alternative theories have arisen as to who actually ordered the assassination, it could have been the British King Richard the Lionheart. Who Jealously orchestrated the assassination when he wasn't named. Named can Jerusalem himself, but the most prominent theory remains that Synon- ordered the death, and his motivation was revenge Conrad had previously seized a cargo ship with goods belonging to the assassins he'd then executed the entire crew men with ties to see non and the order, but regardless of who ordered the assassination, the death of Conrad Mont Frat changed the course of history in response to his murder. Peace was made between the Christians and the Muslims effectively ending the third crusade. Jerusalem remained under Muslim control. Because of this most historians believed that Conrad of Montserrat was Rashid Aldean's nuns final assassination the following year Conrad's successor Henry. The second of Champagne allegedly visited non at Mossy off castle to broker, a truce seen on allegedly staged an assassin death drop to dissuade Henry the second from retaliating for Conrad's murder Legend, has it? The demonstration worked? Not long after seen on died of unknown causes, however, some believed that he went into hiding by Uncle Tation, about means rather than entering paradise or hell, his body and spirit simply vanished to wait until it was time to return. Many News Arias, mile lease still awaits nonce second coming in the meanwhile, CNN's nonce followers needed a leader to guide them in his. His absence after his death in eleven ninety three, the Syrian assassins reunited with those in Persia, who were still under the control of Mohammed, the second, their former disagreements didn't seem so important. Now that see non was no longer around, but the merged order of assassins could never return to its former glory. No other leader could capture the enthusiasm that Hassani Sabha. She'd all DNC non had ignited within the organization. For the next fifty years. A series of inept leaders weakened position in Persia and Syria. Even after the collapse of the Cell Joke Empire in eleven ninety four, the assassins were unable to capitalize on the resulting power vacuum, instead new suny caliphates or dynasties took control of the region, leaving the waning assassins on the sidelines once more for the order of assassins death arrived on two fronts the first the Mongol Empire from the East. After three years of slowly making their way through Persia, the Mongols reached the steps of Allah Mood Castle, unlike past seizures, the Mongols manage to make it inside. And when they did in December twelve fifty six day destroyed everything, they burnt the assassins libraries and demolish their gardens. They wanted to erase the order from history and in the process they brought the once great portrait to ruins. Meanwhile, the Syrian assassins managed to hold on a while longer until the rise of the MOM. Luke Sultanate in the twelve fifties in September twelve, sixty. The Mom Luke's expelled the Mongols from Syria and gained control of the region. The Syrian assassins survived by paying. The MOM looks tribute for the next eleven years in twelve seventy, one, the mom Luke leader learned of an assassination plot against him by the Syrian assassins, and so he crushed them in the span of two years. He captured every assassin fortress in the region, including their last stronghold Mossy off. The order of assassins was officially no more, but unlike the Mongols, the mom luke's weren't interested in erasing them from history. In fact, the Mongols found a new use for their captives. If they needed someone dead, they paid a former assassin to do the work for them from ten. To twelve seventy, three, the order of assassins, rain brought fear to the lands. They inhabited in the process. They turned assassination into an art form. Legends about the order have fascinated westerners ever since crusaders brought their stories ferocity back with them, claims of fantastical garden of paradise ritual, suicidal death drops and drug induced mind. Control methods shocked the world to most the order of assassins was a fanatical religious group led by cult leader, a fringe movement within the Muslim community to others. They were an elite group of holy warriors regardless nearly. Nearly two hundred years, these specially trained killers spread fear throughout the holy, land and Persia. The order is gone today, but their legacy lives on their tactics have imitated and replicated for centuries, though we may never know the truth of what actually went on inside the walls of Alum Mood Castle, one thing is undeniably true. Be Order of assassins was one of history's deadliest secret societies. Thanks again for tuning into secret societies will be back on Thursday with a new episode. 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How a failed terrorism case derailed one Canadian's life
"This is a C._B._C. podcast. Should we rethink our relationship with technology in the midst of the A._I.. Revolution Sleep sleep walkers a podcast from iheartradio explores the strange consequence of human interaction with artificial intelligence with secret labs and expert guests. It's co hosts Oswald mission and care a price talk about how new technology is changing everything from falling in love to diagnosing cancer. Listen to sleep walkers on your favorite podcast APP or wherever you get front burner hello. I'm Jamie Puzzo Tom Today. The case of his Sandia he's a lebanese-born Canadian citizen who had his world turned upside down in two thousand seven. That's the year he found out he was suspected by French. Authorities perpetrating a deadly terrorist attack in Paris nearly thirty years earlier the next ten years of dabs life would involve a lengthy court case extradition to France and three years spent imprison the husband ten years of tarnished reputation anguish unbelievable <unk> stress significant legal expenses and imprison away from my family. This is a case that would expose them very real questions agents about the Canadian extradition process which is why an independent review into the case was called the results of that review while they're now public today C._B._C.. A senior reporter David Cocker on his back. He broke big parts of the story. He's GonNa take us through it from the beginning and we're going to talk about how Diab in his supporters feel about the results lots of this new review. This is from Burnham so in two thousand and seven has santia was working as a sessional lecturer at Carleton University and one day after he'd wrapped up his lectures. There's a journalist from Le Figaro in France approached him <hes> seeking comment they wanted his reaction to the fact that France was investigating him for a notorious this bombing outside of the Paris synagogue from twenty seven years ago and this is the first time that he's ever heard about his alleged involvement in this bombing yes. This is the first time he's learned anything about it. You know he had moved from Lebanon. Studied in the United States had moved to Canada was trying to start an academic career and twenty seven years after a bomb went off in Paris. A bomb went off in his on the APPS life. It was never the same from this point and tell me more about this bombing this one thousand naty bombing. It's one of the most notorious terrorist attacks in French history. It was the first large-scale anti Semitic attack on French soil after the Second World War and what happened is a motorcycle with saddlebags packed with explosives was parked outside a synagogue out at the time of Jewish Jewish religious service and it exploded and killed four people and wounded more than forty th the synagogue had a glass ceiling and it shattered from the blast and collapsed gets down on the congregation. If the Congress the service ran late if they had left the synagogue on time more people would have been on the street and more people. Would I've been hit by the bomb so the images we looked at and the coverages we looked at in reporting the story. The carnage is unbelievable. The damage that was done it was unbelievable. We came out of the synagogue and saw this horrible scene people lying on the ground some wounded others dead listen. There was blood broken glass cars on fire. It was a war scene Sufri Lucy then I saw the body of that poor boy it'd be soupy pieces but then when we met Hassan Diab and you meet this soft-spoken sociologist what would you say to the victims of that crime mm-hmm who are still want someone to blame. What would you say to those people? I don't think they want someone to blame. They want somebody who's responsible for that. Delaying the two events just did not link and it turns out despite the investigation and the claims of French investigators. The facts didn't link either either. I know we're going to unpack that. During this conversation let's start with what led this French reporter to even approach Diab in the first place in two thousand seven like why do French authorities believe this Carlton University professor. Is the terrorists error that they're looking for it yeah so the Rue Kapernick <hes> tragedy is seared into the mindset of the French people. It's not quite a nine eleven scale events but it might be an in Oklahoma City. It might be the Boston Marathon bombing things that people are aware of and that are commemorated regularly and known <hes> there was a massive investigation they try to find the perpetrators of this. They had a suspect <hes> in one thousand nine hundred eighty a man by the name of Alexander Pana Dry which turns out to be a fake name it wasn't a real person person but this person was arrested in Paris in the days leading up to the bombing for trying to shoplift pliers at a hardware store and had been seen by the owner owner of the hardware store and then they were they spent a night in the run up to the bombing in a French hotel with a prostitute who had also seen this Alexander Dry Character return and they got compass sketches of what penalty looked like and no photo when him when he was arrested no no photos and no fingerprinting in in a conventional sense like would have happened if they were arrested today so they had a sketch and they had a name but they had no leads beyond that and then a lot change in the world after nine thousand eighteen eighty number one being the Berlin Wall coming down and that opened up a whole trove of secret files of the the East German police they had been monitoring Palestinian extremists and in those files was the name Hassan Diab and it was connected to this nineteen eighty eighty bombing now the name Zondi APP is a very common one in Lebanon but the Hassan Diab who was teaching at Ottawa pictures of him from nineteen eighty looked sort of like the witness sketches from the prostitute and their hardware store employees of Alexander Panin dry you so they had a lead but then they needed to build a physical link doc and they settled on Handwriting Analysis Panadura who signed the police statement when he was arrested. He filled out a hotel registration card when he checked into this hotel so they Ended up handwriting samples of Hasan. Di Ebbs to compare to panic dry us and their experts concluded. These are similar. This is a link so they had witnesses they had a sketch then they had German files appointed Diab and then handwriting that linked back to Alexander Panin dry. The problem was is that that a handwriting evidence would be fatally flawed. You WanNa talk about these handwriting samples with you in a moment but you know obviously the French authorities think they've got the right guy because they make a request request to extradite San Diab in two thousand eight and we're GonNa get into what happened during that case but I you know Diab maintained his innocence this whole time. I know that he fought this this. This was a six year ordeal. What is his life lake during this six years so you can imagine being arrested in two thousand was in an eight seven years after nine eleven for setting off a bomb outside. A synagogue in Paris is going to derail your life is basically shocked is a lot abiding citizens and has been all his life. All of a sudden overnight is a dragon chain and and cough and he's not going to spend a couple couple of days and the common jail he's taken into custody and initially denied bail. They have to fight for a bail hearing any eventually his releases secured <hes> but he's released senator extremely strict conditions. He has to wear an ankle bracelet that he has to pay for thousands of dollars a month to pay for his freedom and he has a bunch of sureties the people who were vouching for his good behaviour who offer up their houses and their wealth as collateral but someone has to be with him at all times when he's released. I know reading your reporting. There's one example of him trying to take his daughter to the hospital right. He starting a family with his wife Rani to folly at this point point in time and his daughter Jenna was born while all of this was happening and Hassan has an ankle bracelet on Rania. Tally is one of his sureties. He has to be with her at all all times. When Jenna was a newborn they have a medical crisis. Her temperature starts to drop drastically. She is days and weeks old at this point in time is that very critical stage for any new parent and he needs to get her to the hospital they drive there but for Rania to take Jenna into the hospital and for Hassan to park the car. Are they have to separate so to bring his wife and daughter to the hospital for her to get emergency medical care. He has to potentially violate the terms of his bail risk risk. Having his freedom rescinded limited freedom he had and then risk forfeiting all of that wealth that all of these people from his support network have put up as collateral collateral for his good behaviour and good conduct so he ended up not only having his freedom restricted. He lost his job at Carlton. He was not allowed to teach buzney. Brith issued a statement condemning Carlton Carlton for employing a suspected terrorist. He lost his career. His reputation was tarnished. They burn through all of their savings and to pay for the legal defense that they were mounting in this all incomes some savings if operated during the process and and he couldn't do simple things like go to the park with his kid by himself <music> and all of this is happening. The extradition hearing itself is taking place and and and tell me how this unfolds yeah the extradition case of Hassan Diab is one of the most intensely litigated extradition cases in Canadian history it might Stephen Be Number One and there's a lot of dynamics at play so initially Hassan Diab just finds a lawyer online and it's not going particularly well and at some point he is connected with a lawyer named Donald Bain and don vein is one of the preeminent and most prominent lawyers in Ottawa and he brings brings all of that to wait in the extradition hearing I I would say of this case. It's clearly the most heart wrenching in terms of what I saw it doing to Dr Deb's family and he's up against a guy named Claude lefrancois who is a senior counsel for the International Assistance Group which is a specialized department of the Department of Justice. They handle extradition. They are Canada's extradition lawyers. So France makes a request Canada appoints appoints one of his lawyers to act on France's behalf so France as I said started to try to build a connection between Hassan Diab and this Alexander Penetration new character who they believed to be the prime suspect behind the bombing the only physical evidence they have our handwriting samples and their experts say there are enough similarities that this this is a link. The problem is it's a piece of junk. The handwriting comparisons they used were not Hassan deb's handwriting. They were forms academic forms when any applied for like Grad School and immigration forms any applied to get into the United States. He signed them. His ex wife filled them out so wouldn't that be enough to just throw this case out completely so here's where it gets really interesting and this is where the allegations of an overzealous extradition prosecution by the Canadian Department of Justice come into play uh-huh so it's the fall of two thousand nine in the extradition hearing is getting ready to start. Donald Bain has has hired handwriting experts to look at the French evidence and they have realized is that they didn't they use the tainted samples at it's not even Hassan dabs handwriting they prepare their own expert reports for Diab's Defense Bain walks in goes Osa Lefrancois. The the government lawyer says look you. Your handwriting is not reliable we we are going to impeach the credibility of this. They present this evidence to the Canadian government assuming this will make everything go away instead what happens is the government accepts the information asked for an adjournment in the trial process and and then fires a memo off to France warning them that the case is about to fall apart and if you don't replace the handwriting analysis with a new handwriting analysis this Hassan Diab is most likely going to walk free and why are they being criticized for that well. They're being criticized for it because Bain argues that this is not Canada's role role France should have done a proper investigation with proper evidence and sent a proper case to Canada to argue the extradition and they clearly did not the Canadian lawyers then go into court and proceed to ask and get a series of Germans and delays while France does this work and throughout this process. The judge and the defender saying why are you delaying. Aren't you going to proceed what is going on and the Canadian lawyers never really give straight answers. They just just say look. France is looking for new evidence. I can't imagine what they might table. I don't know what they might present and they buy time for six months until yet another handwriting writing analysis is done this time using Hassan Diab actual handwriting and Lo and behold the new expert concludes yes this also matches catches the handwriting of the Mythical Alexander Penetration you so it was directing France to save Francis case and then buying time in court without being completely. We candidates the what you were doing and there's more while they were getting the handwriting evidence Canadian Justice Lawyers also fingerprinted Hassan Diab APP were sent samples of the fingerprints obtained in the French investigation and there was no match that information was never shared with the Santia or his lawyer and never presented in court every identifiable fingerprint on that statement excluded Doctor Deb. It was not him. It was conclusive because again. This is an extradition hearing this is not a criminal trial where you would be forced to disclose this in a criminal proceeding and Canada. An extradition hearing is not about innocence or guilt. It's about whether France has gotten over the bar to have Canadian citizen sent to France to stand trial and and that's all it was meant to determine and when ultimately ordering the extradition of Hassan after France <hes> judge Robert Mirage said the handwriting the evidence is weak. The the the entire case against US ON DAB is weak but that doesn't matter under extradition law the threshold has been met and I must I I am compelled to order him to leave and Jamie the the most egregious thing as an outsider is okay. The handwriting is weak. The fingerprint is weak Hassan Diab. We have had an alibi. He wasn't in Paris on October third nineteen eighty he was in Lebanon in Beirut Writing University exams what he was never allowed to table that in the extradition hearing 'cause you're not entitled to present defense evidence in a prerecorded videotape diab vowed to continue his fight fight against what he calls an unfair process of extradition a with thick every legal opportunity to clear my name and I look forward with the day in which I can't claim my life they all of this in addition to the allegations at the Justice Department overstep here but all of this other stuff duff raised a lot of questions and criticism that this act this extradition act we have itself sets too low threshold for extraditing Canadian the sentence right yeah this has been one of the the central issues in this and that the defense coming from the Department of Justice and extradition experts who are taking the government side. What is that this is not meant to be a trial and extradition hearing is not meant to be a substitute for trial and if you have problems with handwriting evidence or fingerprint evidence Ornella by those are issues to be dealt with at trial once you are sent to the country say France or the United States my wherever and the the argument being is at Canada owes it to his extradition partners to do this process fairly and quickly to facilitate justice in foreign countries because we will make extradition requests. They have people return to Canada. We did this with Luca Mocatta on the other side of this Earth Hassan Diab and an Army of defense defense lawyers who simply think the civil liberty bar is just too low here for people to get over that you can have an alibi and bad evidence against you and still up ended up spending thirty eight months in a French jail for a crime. You did not commit so let's talk about that French jail because he spent six years fighting extradition in Canada and then he moved to France for what I would think would be trial but instead. He ends up spending thirty eight months in jail. Why if I can back up just a little bit so they spent all these years fighting they appeal it all the way to the Supreme Court they lose and the conservative Justice Minister of the Time Rob Nicholson Nicholson signs the extradition and Hassan Abbas taken into custody to be sent to France. He's taken into custody just days before his daughter Jenas Second Birthday Day. He sent to France on her second birthday couple of months after he's there his wife. Rani gives birth to their son Jett. He sees his son for the first time during a visit to the French prison. It was the most difficult period and then you have one birthday after another his first his second her third second third fourth and fifth. I miss them. Or what more can you went. What more can you lose if you lose these things. There's nothing left in life. The prison he is in is called Flurry Mirage. It's Francis biggest prison and it is a hotbed of radicalization for Islamic extremists. <hes> this is where the people who did the Charlie Hebdo attack met and radicalized and planned the attack. <hes> one of the perpetrators of the Batta adequately attack was kept in a cell just several dozen meters from Hassan Diab so he's a small guy. He's a diminutive fellow. He's an Ottawa sociologist and he ends up in this is prison and ends up getting put in sort of a special ward <hes> with sex offenders and some white collar criminals sort of for their own protection the own said. What are you doing hear that many times. They keep the kept asking me. What are you doing here. He should be bad club and Kennedy you know he is in his cell for twenty two due to twenty three hours a day. He gets an hour of exercise time outside in an outdoor yard where he can take eight steps before he hits a wall turns right takes four staps hits a wall and they just keep doing that to go in a loop to get his exercise dandelions grow in this yard and he picks them and brings them into his cell and tries to keep them alive in whatever watery has for as long as he can and then when they start to die. He eats them for the nutrients in this time. He talked about contemplating suicide suicide but he thought about all the people who supported him. How are you not consumed with anger. If I get angry really what will happen happen. I think I will kill myself like just like that. What can you do what else there is. Nothing God's do you commit suicide. I know because you have these wonderful guys and the family and kids and do you solve anything and the answer was constantly no so I I know he was released in January of two thousand eighteen by French authorities. How did that come about so France has a very different judicial system than Canada? <hes> the judges lead the investigation and then decide whether to go with a prosecution and so this is why he spent so much time in prison as you're saying like he sent there you expect he's going to trial right away because the French investigation is over Canada's Canada's extradition laws say that you are nut to be extradited for investigation. You're only to be extradited for trial. This was raised by Bain at every step of the process <music> saying that Hassan Diab is going to languish in a foreign jail if we send him over and the Ontario Court of Appeal wrote in its rejection of Baynes arguments that we are are not convinced that he will simply languish in a foreign cell turns out. That's what happened. They did this investigation. He started cooperating with them and gave them a lot of leads including the fact that he was in Beirut on the day. This bomb went off along the way these judges felt that the case against Diab was weak and actually ordered that he be released but French prosecutors appealed this every step of the way this happened seven or eight times that the judges who were investigating the Arabs case wanted him to get bail in France and each time the prosecutor stepped in but but eventually the French investigation guests to the point where they just conclude book he has an alibi. The physical evidence didn't does not work they found more than twenty fingerprint samples <hes> throughout the various stages of investigation and kept comparing it to the APP. He said he he was fingerprinted. So many times he thought the INC would never come off these details if feel excruciating to listen to especially knowing what has Zahn was going through the one of the reasons why we're talking today is because <hes> last week the results of an independent review were released and what did that review ultimately fine yes so Hassan Diab in his supporters groups like Amnesty International the BBC Civil Liberties Association a lot of civil society groups and unions. They want want a full public inquiry led by judge with subpoena power and the right to cross examine witnesses. That's the red line. They are not moving off that request right but this isn't what that was right right. They've been asking for this. They got instead was an external review of the case <hes> done by Marie Siegel who's a former deputy attorney general of Ontario and he was asked to do a review of the case to come up with lessons learned Hassan Diab and his lawyer boycotted immediately they felt the terms of reference were too narrow and too rigid and designed to give the Department Department of Justice a full sales full-scale exoneration and that's essentially what Marie Siegel did. He reviewed the case he said all of the allegations of overzealous prosecution misleading is leading of the court and they're withholding a fingerprint evidence all of the allegations of wrongdoing there from Diab and his lawyers and his supporters were without merit. I found that the department urban of Justice Council acted totally professionally and ethically. I believe that the Extradition Act <hes> is is working working. The system worked exactly as it should but Hassan Diab still spent thirty eight months in prison so everything went right but Hassan Diab was still terribly wronged adding you reconcile these two things I'm thinking of Justin Trudeau who said last year that this never should have happened. Yes so what does does that mean. It never should have happened. We never should have been extradited to France or does it mean he never should have sat in a French sell for thirty eight months <hes> but this is the problem Siegel Segel concludes everything was done right and this has been the Department of Justice's argument from the beginning and when you look at it in a plain black and white reading of how extradition works that conclusion holds up assigned Dev's point is that the system is the problem. This is a report that excuses all the conduct of the Department of Justice International Assistance Group lawyers who did this case it defends the lack of disclosure of evidence of innocence innocence it endorses all of the troubling aspects of the current extradition law and system in Canada and for Hassan Diab and in and his family and his supporters <hes> who still think that the system is broken. Where do they go from here? When I came back people asked if he was going to sue and if you WANNA compensation and he said I don't want any benny from the taxpayers and Canada all he wanted was the inquiry to get answers and the review of the extradition act to get changes to make sure what happened to him doesn't happen to anyone ever again? The frustration at their re reaction news conference conference to the Seagull report was obvious and they made clear that for the first time they're seriously thinking about a lawsuit I one of the questions I asked Murray Siegel Jamie was you've made fourteen eighteen recommendations. If these have been in place ten eleven years ago when this started with Diab what would stop them from being sent to France and he said I'm not sure it would have prevented him. Being sent. Don't allow worked what might have changed. Canada might have done a better job of providing consular support and keeping on Francis case to ensure that he didn't just sit in that cell for thirty eight months it's and got his Judgment Day much much sooner David as always thank you so much. You're welcome <music> so just quickly. I wanted to mention something cut out of the conversation with David. Today we covered so much ground and we couldn't keep everything but talking about extradition. It's really hard to not think of the case of wall way exact among one joe I asked David what effective any the results of this review would have on that. He said he thinks people high I up in the Canadian government probably breathed a sigh of relief here had this report actually pointed out fatal flaws in Canada's extradition process well that would have given China ammunition to further call. What's happening among bogus something to think about there? That's all for today a big thank you to Michelle Shepherd Matt Braga and Chris Sproule Bay for hosting lows on vacation. We will see you tomorrow <music> for more C._B._C..
Petroleum Industry Bill, Electoral Act Amendment Bill Pass Second Reading In House
"Y'all listening to the news on the hour on africa business radio. The match expected petroleum industry bill and the electoral act amendment. Bill have scaled second reading in the house of wrecks the leader of the house. Al-hassan gourock noted that has been a very important piece of legislation that has been in the works since the assembly. He was however hopeful that nine to simply would be able to make the history that has eluded andrea and people lawmakers stated that the bill was presented to the presidency for absence to be granted but that was not the case. And that was the news at this time. When africa business radio you can't continue this life at www dot africa business radio dot com or via our mobile app. I am rachel chih-jen to thank you for listening.
How To Raise Good Citizens
"Hi i'm corey. Turner on communists and this is. Npr's life catch in this episode. Just one day before the big election. We're gonna talk about civics and how to raise kids. Were confident active citizens. And we're gonna start with a story about a father and founding father. The father is hassan kwami. Jeffrey history professor at the ohio state university who gave a ted talk just before the pandemic back in february about a trip. You took to james madison's seller i feel these ridges in the brick and it takes a second to realize what they are. What they are are tiny handprints because all the bricks at james madison's estate were made by the children that he enslaved her son who is black has three daughters in his oldest in fifth grade now recently started learning civics in school specifically about the constitution. And i'm sitting back like yeah i've been waiting for. This was going to go out last night. She was like know we were to to memorize the preamble. I'm like okay. go memorize it. But we're going to have a conversation about its applicability afterward and it was so interesting because she started having about the founders so his daughter had been at the audience at that tedtalk he did but she hadn't quite put it together that that james madison was the same james madison. Who helped write this constitution. That she was learning about. She didn't realize it is until her historian. Dad pointed it out and she had this look in her. I like her over her face and she was. She made the connection like wait. That's the do that you were talking about right. You who was having children who we in slave make bricks for his comfort and convenience. That's the do they have reading about. And i was like yes the same one and she was i. Oh oh that's like that's a problem like it is a problem. It sure is a problem. And this is an example of what. Hassan calls america's hard history and he says grappling with it and helping our kids grapple with it is basically an active patriotism so in this episode. We're gonna talk about civics and patriotism and how to help our kids through those oh moments they can become confident active anything hopeful citizens of these not so united feeling state before we can talk about kids and civics we need to define what is civics. I mean all. I can think about is. I'm just a bill. Yes i'm only a bill. And i'm sitting here on capitol hill. Well it's i mean sure. How a bill becomes a law. Were doesn't is totally civics. But it's also much bigger than that. It's about the point of government and the responsibilities that we all share as members of a healthy society. Dare i say it's about teaching kids the importance of public service in whether you're running for office volunteering in a soup kitchen or just paying your taxes. It's all civics it totally is and it's a lot so let's start at the beginning. Every child needs a foundation of basic facts about history geography. How government works are kinda works and in our school system in the united states. This process has not been going so well. Many americans don't know which believe it or not which century the civil war occurred in ashley. Burner is a professor at johns hopkins. She's also a parent and she studies. How schools teach about civics and with her help. Let's get right to our first takeaway to participate in civics. Kids need to know stuff. So don't be afraid to help them memorize it. We're talking facts and it's okay to memorize those facts. Because as ashley says the more you know the more you can know. Researchers have found that knowledge is sticky. So more you have the easier. It is to hold on to new information and one of the best ways to start building foundation. Sticky knowledge is to talk about it. Give them history geography date and that intern will make it a lot. Easier for your kids to make sense of the world when it starts coming at them. Whether it's in person on tv on the internet in the news you're reading an op-ed and you can't go google. Every word their vocabulary as well as knowledge. These are the bedrocks of media literacy. If kids have a foundation of knowledge it makes it a lot easier for them to evaluate the claims and arguments that may come their way and social media and sort fact from all of the other flaming hot garbage. That's out there right now or you know maybe as we heard earlier about hassan's daughter and james madison. You know. maybe your kids aren't getting the garbage. But maybe they're just getting one side of a story one set of facts when it's just much more complicated than that so to supplement what our schools are teaching ashley says. Don't stop at the founding fathers. Do you understand where other countries are. What our history is what. Alternative forms of government are possible and an exist a one year. Civics class is important but insufficient. So i think of the political knowledge part is a k. twelve experience it has geography and history economics actually says that research shows this condition of civics knowledge can pay off in different kinds of surprising ways so students that have more time with social studies. It turns up. These kids actually do better and other subjects to end this advantage particularly holds true for kids from low income families. So how do you cory. What can we as parents and caregivers do to help our kids build this content knowledge and make your brains stickier in a good way. Well the key the we heard from everyone we spoke with is. Keep it fun like. You're not drilling kids. So i've perfect. Example comes to mind for me. When my oldest son was two years old he loved this colorful place mat that we bought him of the united states and it had all its capitals and it meals just because he had fun doing it. He point to a place and we'd tell him who we knew who live there and after doing that for a long time. He knows his capitals better than i do. Now when you make it fun you'd be amazed by kids can remember ashley. Says the other thing we recommend for little children is to get a globe and you can use it as a jumping off tool for all kinds of conversations you could have you know a downer and have your children help. Prepare the dinner from japan or from uruguay argentina and find out about the country. My favorite suggestion. From ashley to help build your kids. Civic brain is to get outside start by walking around your neighborhood and talk about what institutions are public and private. So which things have. We decided as a community that we're going to support like roadbuilding or parks or libraries know and like this as a pandemic activity. It seems really achievable. Just walk around your neighborhood. Absolutely all right. We're going to jump down to our necks takeaway takeaway to it's important to talk about and acknowledge what has gone. Calls her hard history. Yeah not just important. Has hunt says it's patriotic as being the highest of patriotism is sort of self reflection and saying hey this is what we've done wrong right and and being critical in order to move forward. Because i don't think you're able to to move forward. I don't think able to advance if you just pretending about things that are either existing now or existed in the past corey. This reminds me favorite for douglas quote. He is a lover of his country. Who rebukes and does not excuse. It's ends at his great reporting about this plan right. yeah President trump not that long ago called for patriotic education. Basically giving students a version of us. History that the glosses over the really terrible stuff like slavery and the genocide of native americans and his argument. And it's not just president trump making this argument but his point was when you take the time to grapple with our hard history Some folks are worried that you were basically indoctrinating kids to hate america. Now the irony here on you. I've done some reporting on what is actually being taught in schools and there are lots of places across the country that are still basically giving kids. This pretty white washed version of american history. Yeah this point came up when we talked to a teenager. Taylor pittman he on taylor Seventeen years old taylor's an advisor in a program called cultures of dignity which is dedicated to what they call civil dialogue among young people families and educators. So we checked in with taylor and some of our fellow advisers throughout this episode. Yes so taylor happens to be a high school senior in new orleans which is also my hometown and she told us about the field trips that she took as a child to you know. Former slave plantations rate forced labor camps for the growing of sugar and cotton. And i was really amazed because i visited the same places as a school child in louisiana and i couldn't believe that not only. Are these field trips still going on. But they're still giving kids the gone win version. She said the tour guide wanted to talk about the agriculture. And it's so pretty and lick it the nature and i'm just like where at the slave houses usually. They're like tucked off way in the beckham mckinley going. They're like no. Let's just focus on the beautiful oak trees. But not only taylor no better so deter teacher who was also a black woman and then we got back on the bus. My teacher was like the oak trees or were they used to hang people. They used to have beating there and we talked about how everything that they said. That plantation was so. There's many individual teachers like taylor's as well as groups like teaching tolerance and black lives matter at school who are working really hard to clear eyed version to our kids of you know what exactly went on from sixteen. Nineteen all the way to now. Hassan says the point here is to not focus solely on the hard stuff but to strike a delicate balance like the way he talks with his daughters. I couldn't just talk about the hardships. Like couldn't always be a police. Killing race can always be discrimination and injustice or slavery and jim crow. We're gonna talk about that but if we only talk about that this was like our one deal with it. Like why do. I have to be that right. And so. I had to begin to consciously say you gotta balance the the good with the bad or the bad with the good you gotta balance the pain the joy right the hardships with the love and this echoes. Something that taylor told us to after brianna taylor. The young black woman who was shot to death by police in her apartment in louisville kentucky taylor pittman told us she nearly lost hope instead though she has been focusing on what she can change and she's gotten involved in the black lives matter movement and that's really keeping her motivated. You know these days. Corey talked to so many people who feel really fed up with the news with what's going on in the country and yet they're still taking these essentially hopeful actions right registering voters protesting helping out in their community. And you know all of that really falls under the heading of civics absolutely and also perfectly sets up our takeaway number three. Which is we have to put civics into practice right. So ashley points out that. Historically civics education has been way more than a collection of facts about geography or history. It's been preparation for participating. In democracy and in fact ashley says that preparation historically was one of the big reasons we have a public school system. So we know that. Civic formation is the prime reason why modern democracies started funding education in the first place was to raise able citizens basically according to this view classrooms actually are supposed to be like a little laboratory a place where students practice having reasonable evidence based discussions and that in theory is going to prepare them for how to act as members of the society rate. Maybe one day school board meeting or if you get called for jury duty and parents can also model citizenship at home order the community. You know through actions like community service voter registration and volunteering. In all sorts of ways and places for example in pre cova times tucson site. His daughters remember that he took all three of them with him to vote in two thousand sixteen. We were right. There was me and all three of them. The youngest one. I had her in my carrier in other two. And we're gonna vote and you're gonna watch daddy cast his ballot and it's on. His middle daughter seems to have really picked up on the importance of voting. So just the other day. She was like what's voting plan and i was like what. What are you talking about right. What's on voting plan. So she's not fully clear but she knows enough that there needs to be a plan and something similar also came up with another teen. We spoke with for this episode. His name is jake chang. He's a junior in high school and his parents immigrated to the us from korea. When jake was two years old so he says they just. This past year got their citizenship. And they're able to vote for the first time. We finally got like the ballots and like the voter booklets. And then i would just like flip through it and see like their candidates since this is a really important time to choose who we want to lead their country. And i'm hoping that i get my citizenship in the future and then finally vote. That's pretty inspiring to think about looking forward to your first vote. Rate and ashley burner says even if you don't have the excitement of a new citizen in your family. There are so many ways to help your kids experience. What democracy looks like the nuts and bolts. Children can get involved in political campaigns. You can volunteer with a candid shoes older. I used to help my parents Hopes to raise money for political in. Mail them her son says for his family. Service is a way of life. We're both the children of social workers that part of civics part of being part of this community society is service right like you have to serve other people. You know feeling a little bit more hopeful about the state of the world than i did when we started recording this corey. I don't know what it is. But i guess it's just from talking to you. Know fellow americans especially young people who are working so hard to make a positive contribution and make sense of everything. That's going on good. I'm just feeling so much more cynical about all of this. Maybe there's a balance of hope in the universe. And i got less. Maybe i'm just worried because we've saved our toughest takeaway from last all right. So here goes in this moment when politics feels more personal than ever when everyone and everything seems so polarized we really need takeaway number four. Which is we've got to teach kids the fine art of tolerant disagreement. I sort of had a repeated at my middle school and early high school career of getting really passionate about something and just yelling at people. So sarah davies is eighteen and a high school senior in colorado. Sarah i've been there She's another one of our culture of dignity youth advisers and saratoga. She started working on being more tolerant in her conversations when she started debating with a good friend of hers who had really even political beliefs. But she says. I really didn't get good at it until i started in model u n and it's easier for me to see like where that is coming from so i can still understand like okay. This is genuinely coming from a bad place or this is coming from a good place but they don't have all the facts so in activities like model. Un it's kind of a structured form disagreement and you're practicing evaluating evidence and claims and also bias and you're practicing perspective taking you know thinking about where people are coming from just like sarah says and ashley says that school as well as extracurricular is like model. Un and debate ever really important role to play in helping young people learn how to compare different points of view without getting overly heated or personal which is something. That's so rare in our society right now. This is called the open classroom. Climate has an outsized effect on long-term civic behaviors. How how do we teach the art of tolerance disagreement. I mean. I feel like now more than any other time in my lifetime. At least we live in a moment. Where every side feels passionately that they are right it will. It's always been difficult and it's even more difficult when we have media that helps create these separate polls and in which we're all siloed in our own worldview without touching others. This is again why it's so important for young people to be engaged in conversations about meaning and purpose and different political viewpoints. Ashley says that. Here's where the united states stands out not in a good way. Most of our pure nations have made it a priority to explicitly teach children about the way the different groups in society actually see the world differently but even though we live in such a diverse country. We don't always formerly expose. Her kids different viewpoints. I mean sarah's experiences an exception here yeah and a lot of the time. That's because we parents we get bent out of shape when it comes to our kids being exposed to different points of view in school. We complained teachers. We complain to school leaders about stuff like yoga and gym class or even being assigned certain books to read and ashley says that she like to see school. Leaders talk to parents and say listen. Exposure to different beliefs is not indoctrination. It's how we build empathy intolerance and it turns out in this way on you civics. I'm gonna go out on a limb here is a lot like sex I'm not going to contradict you right out. But i was in all these interviews corey and no one mentioned sex. Not the interviews. We've been doing in the last couple of weeks but remember. We did our episode on why it's important to talk about sex with your kids. Oh yeah because of what happens when you don't talk about it right exactly. It's the same civics if you avoid conversations about how people believe or what disagreements we have. You're actually teaching kids that either. Those questions aren't important or they're not appropriate for public discourse in my father. Say that don't make no sense right like b but we're afraid we're afraid to talk about politics freight about indoctrination and in the classroom and no no. No you gotta let people know where you stand right. Provide children evidence. Provide them with stories and then we can go from there. And ashley says parents should encourage and even model this kind of open debate at home to bring in someone. A relative a friend who disagrees with the parents and the family on politics and really have a coherent debate. A have to admit corey that in november twenty twenty. That sounds pretty terrifying you. You think yeah. I i might start with something. A little simpler like cats versus dogs. But that's who obvious it's cats cats are awesome. I happen to agree with you. Cory because of my world view in my life experience but i think we have to hold our heads the possibility that there are some people out there who genuinely like dogs. And they're not bad people but wait. If i do this in my betraying all cats or myself trying to indoctrinate me on you know. No no no no. I'm just asking you to be you know a little bit open minded in the spirit of tolerant disagree all right in the spirit of civics and tolerant disagreement. I will agree on that high note on you. I think it's time for our recap. Take number one to participate in civics. Kids need to know stuff. Yes as in facts facts about not just their government and how it works but the rest of the world to geography aware history. The when you're and don't be afraid to help them memorize important places or people by playing memory games with homemade flash cards place mats spinning globe. Yeah knowledge is sticky. The more you know the more you can know and speaking of facts. Dick number two is that we shouldn't skip over. What hassan jeffries calls are hard history. Absolutely also shouldn't forget to show kids the genius beautiful courageous struggles so many americans and one thing that helps build a sense of belonging has americans are taking away number three help them put civics into action. Whether you're collecting cans for fall food drives going to safely masked protests or writing letters to elected officials. Kids need that nudge. To see you being an active citizen our final takeaway number four teach kids. The fine art of tolerant disagreement model healthy debate for your kids. Take out of the news and help them see different perspectives for more. Npr life kit checkout or other episodes including our two parter on how to talk about sex. We've kids you can find all of those at npr dot org slash life kit and if you love life kit and want more subscribe to our newsletter and npr dot org slash life kit newsletter. If you've got a good tip. Leave us a voicemail at two zero two two one six nine eight to three or e mail us a voice memo at life kit at npr. Doc this episode is produced by sylvia douglas. Megan kane is managing producer. Beth donovan is the senior editor special. Thanks to ashley burner. Hassan jeffries and sarah davis jake. Chang taylor pittman gusts craft and roslyn wiseman cultures of dignity digital editors are beck. Harlan and claire are former superstar intern. Lombardo and our editorial assistant is claire. Marie schneider i'm corey turner and monte cabinets. Thanks for listening. Thank you go. Vote hold on guys guys on record after months of campaigning. We are finally on the cusp of knowing what happens next in the white house and in the halls of congress the npr politics. 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Aasan Nahi Hai . Part 2 . Ft . Rashmi Maurya . IINK Podcasts . Episode 128
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How Yaseem Hassan Gets It Done
"This episode of the cut on Tuesdays brought to you by Saks Fifth Avenue and their Fifth Avenue club at Saks Fifth Avenue club, you can be styled in a private dressing room. Suite stocked with personalized items picked by their style advisors. Just for you. No matter what your budget is. We recently sent our senior producer can be regular to Saks Fifth Avenue club in hopes that it would help her shake off her winter fashion rut, so I always wear the same four sweaters that are just either black cream grey or Brown. Stay tuned to see if Kimmy can cast off those sweaters for something new. And in the meantime, make a Fifth Avenue club appointment for yourself at Saks dot com. Again, that's Saks dot com. Welcome to the cut on Tuesdays on Thursday. I'm Stella bug be editor in chief of the cut. Tumble out bed in Istanbul to the Kigen, massive ambition and yawn and stretch and try to come by. This is how I get it done the cuts series about him bishops women and the way they live how they deal with their inboxes people's feelings the grocery shopping their morning routines. Part advice column part love letter heart voyeurs. This week. I spoke with mean Hassan the global executive director for equality now. An international nonprofit that works to change laws in countries that legitimize sexual inequality and create laws that promote equality, or none exist. They've successfully pushed governments to protect women from sexual exploitation harmful cultural practices, like genital mutilation and sexual violence prior to heading equality. Now Yasmine was a corporate lawyer and advise the United Nations all being a single mom. I started our conversation by asking me about the first time. She realized women were not seen as equal to men. I was born here in Boston. But I grew up in bogus on my parents are both from box on my dad was in law school when I was born. And from the time, I was a little girl the different treatment of men and women really rankled me just in the family, even how boys were treated differently from girls goes when given opportunities is there example that you remember like maybe in your, Emily all. All the time. I mean, well, I was a when I was two and a half. My mother was pregnant with the second baby. Right. And I used to do my grandmother, and my grandmother would be like this one better be a boy I said, but why why I mean that was the question I asked and everybody just assumed they have the answer. But there was a big preference for boys and it always bothered me. And then when I was ten years old. We had the first military dictator came in and on his Llamas is all laws, and that's really the first time. I saw as a young girl all the women take to the streets because they were suddenly given half the legal status of men, and I was like, well, how is this possible? How is it that suddenly you wake up a person and the end of the day, you're half a person? And I was like I from that time I really wanted to work on women goals, and I ended up coming here to the United States for college, which was a struggle because my grandmother. My father's mother told my father that if you send her abroad, they'll. Be no man will marry her. How are we going to get a man to take her? Right. So the compromise was go to a women's college. And were the women in your family educated and worked, and yes, they will get it. So that's one thing with my, you know, my mother's a lawyer. My father sisters all got educate, they'd be as of them amaze and all that nobody worked and this is one of the things you see across the Middle East region. Right, but men have outranked men at every level of education from primary to post graduate. But it has not led to when people are saying education is the big driver of change. It is really just one drop in the ocean that you need to make work, and because none of that has translated into political power or economic power or even freedom from your family. So there's a lot more work to be done. And you have a background as a lawyer or. Yes, yes. I was trained actually as a corporate lawyer here I worked. At a corporate law firm for the first eight years of my professional life. So what made you take the leap from corporate law to advocacy law. I realized that I've spent eight years of my life. I've been it's not that. I I'd I didn't enjoy it. It was fine. But this is not what I wanted to do. And I had to do a big thing of like if I go down this part. I'm committing myself to something that doesn't give me joy. And that's when I had to think about what is it that gives me joy. Then suddenly, I they were doing talks of partnership now like I this is not what I was put on earth to do really. And at that same time, the Taliban fell in Afghanistan, and I got a call from the UN because I had worked on a Slavic low and women's rights, and I had written a lot about it. And they said we heard you're an expert and would you come and work on the reconstruction of laws in Afghanistan. So I'd never thought of that. I never thought of going and working at the UN at all. But I was like why not? What beauty while? So what something that you advised them to make happen? When you you know, what? And I don't think we did that well enough because as you can see from from that time to now if ghanistan is not a success to put it mildly. And I think one of the things we got wrong is everybody all the international rushed into Coniston thinking and people divided it up. So the talian were doing law reform, the US was doing military, the British was doing police and all that. But the local people were not that involved, right and for women's rights, you know, women had been decimated and there had been no education. So people aren't even literate, but they were doing women's rights from UN agencies and not talking to the women on the ground who were the beneficiaries, and I don't think that ever works. You have to talk to the women who are going to be -ffected because they are the drivers of change if they're the beneficiaries of change they have to also be the drivers of change that makes us sustainable. So a lot of what you do is focused on. On changing laws, which is maybe a more difficult or tedious aspect of advocacy. What inspires you to keep going with that? I think it's really important. I what inspires me law change legal change is long and it's hard. But the law really is what you're government thinks of you. Right. Whatever is said society can be any which way if you go and seek help from your government, and they say oh sorry. There's no compensation for you. There's no recourse, then you're kind of done for. So I think that equality in the law and having the right laws for what you need as women is an essential first step to gender equality. So that's why it's hard work. But we are committed to doing it on step at a time. How many hours a day are you working on this? Oh my God. You don't even need to know. Nobody needs to know. I was like it keeps me up at night. And we also have offices all over the world. So the Email keeps blinking today. We just got this horrific case about an it's US and Kenya we had an American citizen. And this is the first I heard about it like at six o'clock this morning when I woke up I had this Email. There's a guy from the US who went to Kenya opened an orphanage he and his wife and abused all the children that they had in that orphanage and the wife even took them and got them birth control from the hospital ten year old girls, and he's now living here in the US. So in that particular case, so you're going after that guy and trying to find him or are you trying to make it illegal to open an orphanage when? No. So remember just got that six o'clock in the morning. The first doing the first thing are doing is. We've looked at the US long arm statute. And there is a provision on sex tourism, right, which we helped get into the federal law, which means. Crimes that are committed overseas against children and against women can be prosecuted in the US. So the first thing we have to do is report to the State Department that this has happened. The next thing we have to do we have in office in Kenya. Look at what are the offenses in Kenya? And if things have already been filed that and then bring these two things together. So prosecution of this person would be the first thing compensation to the victims would be the second thing. Third thing would be ob- any deficiencies in the law that allows people to do this kind of things without thinking that nobody's gonna find them. Patch them, and then fix that more days than than you can imagine. I have these like last week was a case with this Argentinian goal who has been impregnated eleven year old by her grandmother's boyfriend in his sixties. And the government would not let her have an abortion, and they tried to actually give injections to grow the fetus. So it could be delivered. So it's like, yes. Those this is not the best morning news. I don't recommend. This. I mean, but these are very very hard things and they're happening every single day to gold around the world, and you know, some of us have to work on this. So after you get an onslaught of messages like this, then what do you do for the rest of the day? Well, we have to work on all these issues for the rest of the day for like, literally do what is your daylight? You get up then and you have a family of what is your life? Like, so I have two boys, and I'm a single mom. And so I do my messages between like five thirty and seven is when I actually physically get out of bed. So I do messages I wake up early look at all my emails answer that then between seven o'clock and eight o'clock is my children's times a week them up. Get breakfast ready. Listen to the news. I don't do US news anymore because it's all about Trump, and I couldn't care less. I mean, I've been heartbroken about it. But I listened to the BBC that's because that gives more global news. Get the kids out to school and then eight o'clock or eight fifteen onwards, we get a lot of cases. And we have our senior management team all over the world. And I mean, this is the great thing about the job. We have these issues, and we can work around from around the world on the same issue. So you mostly communicating over Email with your fifty people around the world, we you know, this Email is a mixed blessing. So when you're managing an organization that has people all over. I think that Email is a is great because you can communicate quickly. But at the same time, misunderstandings on Email are huge because you can't see the person's face. Sometimes people just write messages very quickly, and at least to hurt feelings on my rulers. If you haven't sorted something out in two emails, pick up the phone pickup Skype. Call the other person there's nothing like, you know, face to face if you can see them, that's even better. But just talking to somebody is much better. So I I do I'm not. A big fan of continuous Email because I think a lot gets lost. Do you ever? Find it hard to be the boss. Oh, always. I never wanted to be the boss in. I am not a very well. My children would disagree because they will say I'm a very bussey person, but minus my children most people don't think that I'm very bossy person. And I've never been very competitive or have never been the person who wants to put herself on top of anything. So it's very hard for me. When people say, this is my boss, and I was like, no, no, no, we work together. So yes, I do not. I'm not comfortable being called the big boss, and I don't even think of myself as that I think that has taken me a little bit of getting used to and understanding because I'm not very hierarchical, and I expect that I'm also very blunt person. So those things don't make for a great boss unless I have an understanding that this is how people are seeing me. So it's been a little bit of an adjustment. But I think that we've gotten there how do you figure out who to hire ferry much value? Diversity for us. Diversity is getting more men also in the organization because I think from hard to recruitment project, it it it it is hard to get men interested because again, if you rights organization, but focused on women, I think generally women are interested. So we we very much try to be very open to men and bring them in. We have currently I think one we have two or three men in Nairobi office who are great. And in New York, we have one and almost no we have half a man orgin, not half a, man. He's hop time in the London office. So yeah, I think there was a time when women's rights were a fight and women felt they had to it had to be just women only. I think that we are in this country at least in the United States. I think. We really now need to incorporate a lot more, man. It's a struggle. I don't think men are that interested on sometimes now with the metoo movement. A lot of men are scared. What is it like to actively have to recruit men into your organization? It's the same as most people have to actively recruit women or minorities. I don't think it's much different. I actively recruited a director finance and administration who was a man and he worked with us for the past five years and often I would have to call on him and make sure that his views were heard, you know, even though he was like finance, but you have to be mindful of these things we had a man who was a junior staff, and we were working with some celebrities and one of the celebrities made a comment on his appearance, right which was really hard for me. Because I was like I would never have stat there if a male celebrity had made a comment on the experience of the appearance of a female colleague was it a was it an appreciation or in appreciation. No. I know what you see. So I actually I I was like kind of taken aback in the meeting itself. And then I call this guy to my office. And I said I want to acknowledge that this happened, and I was uncomfortable. And I want to see if you weren't comfortable with that. And so he said he was not uncomfortable with that. But I was still uncomfortable. So I went back to the agency that had brought us the celebrity, and I said I want to just raise this that as a women's rights organization. We are not okay with this goes both ways. So that's where I let it rest. But I know that that was an uncomfortable moment working in women's rights. Well, I mean like, that's great. I loved it. I had I known if. I. Because the comment made was like I like that I can Di in your office. Let's say you're walking the walk. Yeah. Yeah. You have to do. It cannot be a double standard. I cannot stand. Coming up has recommends never breastfeeding and explains how the show modern family is changing the world. This episode of the cut on Tuesdays is brought to you by Saks Fifth Avenue and their Fifth Avenue club at Saks Fifth Avenue club, you'll get a private dressing room. Suite stocked with items picked by their style advisors. Just for you. No matter what your budget is. Hey kimmy. Hi, molly. So recently, we sent you to Saks Fifth Avenue club in order to break free. From your winter sweater rut. Yes, you did which was great timing because I have a few events coming up that I really cannot wear a sweater and jeans to one of which being our live show. Yeah. You need something. Good for that. Right. So I told Lindsey my style adviser about it. And I wanted something dressy and something fun and colorful, but also just comfortable since we're going to be on stage in maybe throwing t shirts into the crowd. And she picked out a ton of outfits for me. Okay. So couple things we pull that are just sort of basic most favorite. Jeez. Sweater with the. Oversized buttresses ab- really beautiful blouse he shirt, and you can do it with this like cool career away black tank under it or just like a bra. 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Make a Fifth Avenue club appointment for yourself at Saks dot com. Again, that's Saks dot com. Welcome back to the cut on Tuesdays on Thursdays. I'm talking with Yasmine Hussan the global executive director for equality now. An international nonprofit that pushes governments to pass laws that protect women and girls. She's also a single mom who watches a lot of TV I asked her about how all this fits together. He work all day. What happened in the evening? What do you do while? I I hang out with my kids, and I really tried to keep it. I have two boys and they're fourteen and eighteen and they have different interests. A lot of the older one is more of an activist. So he is interested in not gender equality, but he's all race act. You know, my kids are by racial their father. I'm from Pakistan their fathers from Connor, and I find myself in this interesting situation of raising two African American boys not being African married. I really American, but I am an American. And so that's quite interesting. So I. I spend a lot of time with them and a lot of energy on their pursuits, and what matters to them. And I travel a lot with them. And so we do a lot of fun things together. Hopefully, I hope they agreed. They're listening to this. I. But I might make them. Listen. No. So so I do spend time with kids. I try to spend time with friends and I-. Interestingly enough, I try to watch a lot of TV you know, what? Because all kinds a lot of stuff that because I do believe a while ago when we started it was all about changing laws. I think as activism has changed. I think media has changed so much, and I'll give you an example of this. When I was growing up. We had one TV station in bogus on right? It used to go from six o'clock in the evening till like ten thirty eleven o'clock, and it was state run, and we had one English show which used to be like chips or Starsky and a little house on the prairie. Sometimes Cosby show was there. You know, all these kind of shows love vote no to voters too much to the love. Never have sex in the city. I don't think. Yeah. These shows which were about half an hour to one hour a day really give you a different window into into life. Now, you go anywhere in the world. Everybody has satellite dishes, and they're getting five hundred channels, even like little villages everywhere. Right. A lot of people are listening to content from Hollywood. And also from Bollywood, those are the biggest producers, and they are influencing how people viewing relationship life and all that. And I was like if we are not in there. I think legal changes seriously important, but social changes legal change does play a part in social change. But media plays a huge, part and social change. And I know that things like modern family have a huge impact a while ago. I was in a four five years ago, I was in Iran to Pakistan, and I was in a debate competition and the issue that kids were debating was gay marriage. And I was like Pakistan is a country where out. Of marriage sex is illegal. So you're talking about, you know, gay marriage and kids who are arguing couldn't figure out stuff to say against on the on the con site. They couldn't figure it out. And then when I pulled them afterwards. I was very interested was they had all been watching will and grace and modern family, right? I think humor has a big role to play in. How you get people who are unsuspecting who are watching something for entertainment. They've used get changed in the world a little bit back to your life. Yes. So you mentioned that even though education goes up, it doesn't necessarily guarantee that changes will happen for women around the world and your own family and your own life. What did you observe about the women who were highly educated, but didn't work, you know, I think at the time that I was growing up the focus was on women are getting educated. So they can raise smarter children. That was the thing is you're getting a lot of times it's idea being sent to graduate school. So you meet the right guy. To marry. And so there was no pressure on women actually to do something and succeed at it. Other than having a family, and in a lot of countries, you need your husband's consent to have a job in Pakistan. What was also interesting is that the laws didn't really allow women to have agency. And my first job. I remember I worked in Pakistan television. Now is like eighteen I was and the sexual harassment was rampant. Okay. As a woman and a young woman at work, and you could not say anything about it. Not only could you not say anything in the in the office. I couldn't tell my parents about it. Because the first thing would have happened. I would have been yanked from work and said see we told you it wasn't safe. You know, when we talk about sexual harassment and countries of the Middle East. You have to talk to people who are saying our families are going to restrain us from going to work in the first place. So it's like what do you do? I so I think there's a whole gamut officials starting from do women have equality in the family. We are the laws supportive of women working number two is the culture supportive of working women, which I don't think in this country. It is even now I mean, we don't even have maternity leave other than a handful of states and flexible work is kind of you know, it's an aspiration. I was told after my first baby. And I wanted to work part time people will like don't do that. Because you're just going to get paid for part time. And you're going to be working all the time anyways, which was true, right? Did you take their advice? I still took the I used to work Monday Wednesday Thursday, and I used to take Fridays off and that day I wanted to when I had the baby do Gymboree and all that kind of stuff, and I would leave the baby in Gymboree and be outside on conference calls. You know? So yeah, I remember after my first pregnancy thinking I had to go back to work because there was so much pressure. Not to go back to work. There was so much pressure to stay at home. It'd be a stay at home mom, and and and there were economic incentives not to go back to work in the short term where it was more expensive. Let's say to pay for nanny or the the rationale would be your whole salary will go toward paying for the nanny. And then I remember feeling like I had to do that math because over the of the short term perhaps. But the long-term. Yeah. No contributions to your 4._0._1._K, you know, no, maintain your career and. Yeah. And that. But but that even in my educated world. Yeah. There was not just sort of social pressure to stay home. There was we see this, right? Kind of disincentive ization to go right back to work. You see that yet with young women right now, the it's like the baby happens, and Ben all these considerations. Come into play. An unfortunately, a lot of people are shortsighted. And the other thing is and this was the enjoy the child. I didn't enjoy it. Like, I didn't enjoy I when I took eight months because I had a very bad childbirth. And I couldn't wait to go back to work because this is one thing I have always been good at what I did. And this is when I realized that I'm actually not so good at this. And this is the giant writing. So for me it was easy to go back. My first child I took eight months off at my second one. I think he wasn't even two months when I was back to ghanistan I left him in New York. And yeah, which was great. I, you know, arm him. Second time around everything is easier. Right as mothers, I think we get very anxious about I children because you don't know what you're doing. And everybody gives you all sorts of advice from breastfeeding to what have you which never worked for me, by the way, breastfeeding? I really don't recommend it to anybody. But this is a controversial thing to say. But I was like there has to be diversity of Finian's and everything. So the second child is much easier. And I think I mean that is one of the advice like, I I think child rearing was my big life lesson and to do that in along with work because it didn't come that easily. What's the biggest challenge about being a single mom? While it's you get to make a lot of decisions on your own which would be nice to have somebody to talk things through. I think a lot of time when children are adolescence they're going through a lot of stuff, and as adults and boys that might not be my experience, and I just have to look at my judgement. And it's not that you have always somebody else to bounce that off. So I think that's hard. But you know, my kids are great. And I we figure it out. We I think we give each other leeway, they go through things. I mean, I was never raised as a minority anywhere. I mean, I am now a minority in the US. But when I grew up, I grew up as the majority population, I'm paying job, and we are the dominant ethnic group in Pakistan. And I think there is a confidence that comes with that. And there's a lot of things that you take for granted. So now, I'm raising sons who are minority their mixed race, plus their minority and. And it is it is a very different experience. And a lot of stuff that I took for granted growing up. I have to make sure I boost up for them and confidence being one of the main things how often do you guys talk about the stuff? We don't I think they talk a lot among their friends. I noticed with my older son who suddenly around middle school started hanging out mainly with black kids. And I was like who that's interesting like, you know, we we never saw race as an issue or anything. But I think when your identity is being formed those are the children he he gravitated towards and then he became very political from that age on activism on race and on religion. He told me he was the only Muslim in his school. Which was also very uncomfortable for him. So seeing know growing up through there is is is a very different experience for me to learning experience. Thank you for this. I. Feel like I learned so much sitting here talking to you. I know it was wonderful to be here. And thank you for inviting me, always happy to come. That's it for this week show. We'll see you next Tuesday. This episode was produced by Chris Mary and was edited by Lin Levy mixing by Sam there are theme song is nine to five by the one and only valley parking. 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S10: Infamous: The Hashashins Pt. 1
"They feared no-one eluded everyone and killed in the shadows. Of Fastens was born out of political turmoil, and its members were out for revolution. If you enjoyed today's episodes, head over to secret societies to hear more like it. New episodes release every Thursday free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. Something to note all of the groups covered on this show operate in secret. The details included in this episode are based on extensive research, but ultimately can never be one hundred percent verified except by society members themselves. On October fourteenth ten, ninety, two, the court of the Seljuk Sultan was traveling to the palace in Baghdad on the road from Isfahan. The Sultan's Chief Minister Neeson look lounged in a pillow glitter carried by his guards. The road was dangerous, but any road in time of war would be the cell jook empire was in the midst of a heated conflict with a group of religious fanatics. It was up to Neeson. I'll mulk to take the insurrection. Insurrection down as they approach Baghdad Nissan's caravan came to a halt of poor Sufi. Muslim man was waiting for them? He wanted a word with Nissam. The guards placed litter on the ground, so they could speak, but it was a trick. The Sufi man unsheathe a hidden dagger, and stabbed Nizam in the throat blood, sprayed everywhere, as Newsham fell to the ground, he stared into the eyes of his killer, who was smiling his dagger drenched in blood. The man was no Sufi he was one of the enemy. Radicals disciple love Hassani saw a member of the order of assassins. Hi I'm Vanessa Richardson Greg Olsen and this is secret societies apart cast original every Thursday we examine history's most exclusive organizations from around the world, and try to shine a light on the truth behind these mysterious groups from the alumina to the order of nine angles will explore how much impact each secret society actually had on the world around them. This is our first of two episodes on the order of assassins, an organization of extremist Muslims who feared nothing, not even death. They tormented Sunni Muslims and Christians. Christians during the Crusades in the Middle East instead of fighting in open combat, the assassins killed in the shadows this week will explore the origins of the order and the man who founded it Hassani Saba. He took advantage of political turmoil to a massive following of elite killers and create a new state will also examine some of the most infamous secrets, and the legends of what really went on inside their headquarters. The walled fortress Allah Mut Castle next week. We'll follow the order as new leadership radicalized. They narrowly survived an unending war against their suny Muslim enemies, even as Christian Crusaders invaded the area, but then the growing Mongol Empire helped put an end to one of the deadliest secret societies. The world has ever seen. Few Medieval organizations have had as story history as the order of assassins. You may have encountered. They're likeness in the popular two thousands video game series assassin's creed, but you may not know that before the order. The word assassination didn't exist. They're one of the most elusive organizations in history. Limited records led to the creation of legends, and before long the line, separating fact and fiction blurred tales of secret gardens, hidden daggers and assassins, jumping off buildings, just to prove their fearlessness have shocked us for more than a thousand years. Even their name is shrouded mystery. Assassin is the westernized version of the Arabic word Hasha Sheen. It comes from Sheesh type of cannabis popular in Persia and India. There are two leading theories on the origin of the name Hasha Sheen, some believe that members of the orders smoked psychoactive resin before venturing out to slay their enemies. Others believe that sheesh was used by their leader for mind control. Leader's legacy traces back over fourteen hundred years to the era of Prophet Mohammad. Mohammad is considered the founder of Islam. He began his ministry around the year six ten, when the Archangel Gabriel appeared to him, and told him that he would be a laws messenger, and for approximately twenty years Muhammed spread that message throughout Arabia through both peaceful and violent means, but at six thirty two Bahama died without naming a successor looking for direction Muslims. Turn to Abu Backer. Who Hamas father-in-law he'd been chosen by the Prophet to daily prayers when Mohammed was ill too many. This was a sign that Abu Bekir should be the new leader and soon he was elected Calif.. Calif more or less means deputy to the Prophet. It's important understand that one could ever replace Muhammad as the Prophet in Islam he's considered the final profit sent by Allah after Adam Noah Abraham Moses and Jesus, but it's the Calif job to lead the faith in his stead and. There's no real separation of church and state religion and politics one. Therefore a Calif wasn't just a religious leader. He was also the governing ruler of a body of people who were known as a caliphate, but in six thirty two. Not everyone agreed with the choice of Abu Baqer. Calif of faction of Muslims believed that Muhammed's cousin and son-in-law. A Li was the rightful successor. Their central argument was that I'll Lee shared Muhammad's blood while Abu Baqer did not. The disagreement caused a rift amongst the once unified group followers of Abu Baqer, became known as soon as those who chose Ali became known as Shiites after two decades of infighting and the beheading, a Muhammed's grandson. The Shiites and Sunnis formerly split a line was drawn in the sand, and Islam was never the same. But the Shiites had fewer numbers and thus less power for two hundred years, they lived under Sunni control, and in that time more splits occurred within their group, making it difficult to unify. One of those factions was the Miley Shiites. But everything changed in nine, zero nine, when an is mainly Shiite leader named Abu, Abdullah claimed he was the descendant of Fatima, the daughter of the Prophet Mohammed Bus. He was the true leader of the Muslims as we mentioned, the Shiites had a particular interest in bloodlines. The Fatimid Caliphate rose to power and built an army. They expanded through Africa Palestine, and eventually made Cairo their capital for more than a century. No Sunni group dared take on the formidable Fontham at army until group of Suny Turks known as the cell jokes banded together, and posed a serious threat, and it was during this period of political turbulence, that Hassani Sabaki created the order of assassins. Husani Sabha was born into one of the major branches of she ism called twelve or she ism near present day. Tehran though an exact date isn't known. It was sometime between ten forty and ten fifty five c. e at the time Persia was under Suny Souljah control and as a devout Shiite. Hassan was raised to hate them when he was about seventeen years. Old Hassan was introduced to a form of Shiite. Muslim teachings known as is Miley. She is or is mindless them through a low ranking die, direst sensually scholarly representatives of the faith who educated and invited others to convert by ten seventy two Hassan. Hassan had converted to is my lissome, and swore a loyalty oath to the fought amid caliphate and their air, Nasar. Nizara and Hassan grew close becoming friends six years later, he travelled to Cairo, where he completed his religious studies and became a die himself. No, it was Hasan's job to spread is smile ISM throughout the world. His mission was to create a singular nation under its message, and Hassan was more than up to the near impossible task, but he had hesitations about his leaders. His time in Cairo gave him insight on the growing weakness of the Fatimid, Caliphate they weren't doing enough to expand their power. Plants the cell jokes had slowly taken control in Persia and Syria he expected more resistance from the fought meds, so decided to take action into his own hands around ten eighty one Hassan left Cairo and headed east to preach is my listen throughout the land, and he had tremendous success. The Cell Juke conquest of Persia and Syria had left. All Shiites, not just is Majlis disenfranchised. Hassan traveled through the land, many of the downtrodden clung to him as the revolutionary leader, they needed to end suny oppression. He collected a devoted following of men who were tired of sitting on the sidelines. It was time to bring the fight to the Celtics. It was time for an insurrection. Hassan just needed a base of operations somewhere he could conduct his war on the cell jokes, and by ten eighty eight. He'd picked one out alum Mut castle. Located six thousand feet above sea level in the Alborz mountains northern. Iran Alamos Castle was a nearly impenetrable fortress. There was only one very difficult way in through a narrow gorge along the river. No Army could gain entrance. Any ordinary means it was the perfect base, but there was one big problem. It belonged to their enemies. The cell jokes trying to besiege it with a traditional attack would be suicidal. Hassan may have had a loyal following, but his numbers were nothing compared to the cell jokes, so he took a different approach, slow and steady for almost two years, Hassan or his followers to convert locals and nearby villages. Once he amassed enough of a following. He sent a few to infiltrate Alamo. Posing as Sunni believers once inside, they started to convert the SAL jokes finally in September ten ninety Hassani Saba was smuggled into Alamo Castle there was no need to seize control because he was essentially already in control, he had the numbers the Seljuk commander after seeing that his men were no longer loyal, apparently just left quietly. Some sources say that Hassan even paid this held commander three thousand gold dinars for his troubles. Ironically, many historians consider this peaceful takeover to be the official beginning of the order of assassins. There was no secret meeting. No blood oath sworn. They just quietly usurped a castle in the Iranian mountains. The order quickly expanded their reach, spreading the word of this Melissa, converting more recruits and acquiring more castles after two years of missionary work, assange orders started to threaten the cell Juke. Salton may the. There's a growing insurrection in his empire. So the Sultan ordered his political adviser knees amount Mulk to attack. These was more than happy to do so interestingly, according to legend Hassan and Nissan have once been friends. They allegedly met while studying in Cairo, but after a bitter falling out, the two became enemies, and both men wanted the other dead. In ten ninety two new psalm, the cell jokes attacked L. Vote and another assassin fortress card Koa Stong. The hope was to exterminate the order in one fell swoop before anything got out of hand. Unfortunately for the cell Jukes, the order of fastens repelled the attack, despite being outnumbered largely to the strength of their fortresses, but Hassan worried the assassins couldn't hold off another Seljuk assault. He didn't want to take the chance he had to go on the offensive. Not long after the first wave of attacks on Alamo. Milk was on the road from Isfahan toback dad, he was approached by a member of the order of assassins named boot to hear Irani. was disguised as a Sufi man, and when the time was right, he plunged a dagger into Nissan's body killing him on the spot the death of Zombie. I'll milk is widely regarded as one of the first, if not the first official assassinations by the order, and it changed everything, but few weeks later, the leader of the cell jokes Sultan Maleek shod under unknown circumstances the pair. Pair of deaths through the subject Turk Empire into civil war. It was a turning point and a lesson for the order of precisely placed dagger could be just as effective as an all out war, then two years later Hassan's friend and heir to the fought timid caliphate. Ms Nizara was murdered in a plot orchestrated by an imperial advisor. Alaw Dow Nizara was the last thing. To a branch of Islam that he believed wasn't doing enough, so Hassan began his own sect naming it after his deceased friend. NASAR IS SMILE ISM with this Hassan and the order of assassins severed ties with the amid caliphate. They became their own state free to spread their message as he pleased one assassination at a time, he would paint the sand read. Coming up the secrets and mysteries of the order of assassins now back to the story. In ten ninety five, the order of assassins officially broke ties with the failing fought amid caliphate now revolutionary leader Hassani Saba was able to conduct his holy war against the Suny sell jokes, and any other faction that stood in his way. This holy war was centuries in the making tensions dated as far back as the sunni-shiite split in the mid six hundred. The assassins were in. In a Smiley Shia group and their central mission called Dowa was to spread his smile ISM and create an Smiley Kingdom as we mentioned many branches of Islam including soon as ISM followed Calif, but in Smiley tradition they followed an imam. Imams exist in every form of Islam there typically considered prayer leaders, but in she is there much more due to the concept of Tulum. In a nutshell, Talim is the idea that imams are the direct representatives of Allah and Muhammad on earth. They're the true successors of the Prophet Muhammad chosen by. And thus divine in the order of assassins Hassani Sobar was their Imam, and while most of assange writings are lost to history, we know for certain that he heavily reinforced the Shia concept of time, so Hussam became something of a mystical figure, the person who could bring salvation and lead his people to Paradise and the Imams mission or Dowa was to convert more souls along the way, so when he rose to power, it was time to expand his reach beyond Persia. Hassan new the task before him wasn't going to be easy, he lacked. Or a Standing Army in Persia. The Shiite population still paled in comparison to the Sunnis sell joke, or otherwise largely because facades branch of Islam was seen as particularly radical but Hasan had already proven that numbers weren't everything he doubled down on strategy, especially the art of assassination to be clear, even though the word assassin comes from the order, the act of targeted precision killing wasn't invented by Hassani. Sabah historian kind me, Hill and archaeologist Harold Meller believed that the first political assassination happened in the bronze age thousands of years before the order was ever even formed in fact in the Middle East three Islamic catalysts worth dated before Hassan ever took political power, but for Hassani Saba assassination was the ultimate tool. Tool against his foes, it denied his enemies. Something wanted glory for the soldiers leaders, dying in battle, was honorable, dying in your sleep at the hands of a single man wasn't and of course, assassination was effective historian. James Wasserman notes since Islamic culture placed a high premium on individual excellence, the leader who was able to rise up and survivors, acquisition of power, was attested individual bus death was often sufficient enough to alter substantially the balance of power political murder also had the added benefit of paranoia in a world rife with assassinations. Your enemy is always on edge. Death can strike at any moment a walk in the streets dinner with family preparing for bed. It was psychological warfare as much as physical warfare. But Hassan never carried out these assassinations himself. In fact, legend has it that once he took control of the L., Mood Castle and September ten ninety. He never left, he never needed to. He could eliminate his enemies from the comfort of his chambers, and he could implicitly trust his followers to do his bidding. He turned them into elite killing machines by instilling total loyalty. The men who joined the order of assassins were volunteers. They were never pressed into service. They were called Fi. Di, which literally means devotee. They joined for a variety of reasons for some it was protection. The order offered safety from the subjects and other threats, but for others joining the order was more spiritual, they were looking for a way into Paradise in Islam Paradise or Jena is the afterlife reward for leading fearing and pious life on earth, and by the one thousands, the concept of paradise was a powerful motivator for the assassins. Assani Sabha was the gatekeeper to Paradise, and he was promising entrance sooner rather than later so long as they gave their lives to his cause. Martyrdom wasn't a new concept for Shia Muslims, but rarely had been weaponized when an assassin was given a mission, they never intended to return. It was no mistake that they were only given daggers for their murders. It required that they get within inches of their target given that most of their targets were heavily guarded, escape was almost impossible and death was certain. But for members of the order, the Fi di, the active carrying, and then being killed, became a sought after religious experience assassin historian Bernard Lewis writes for the smileys. The assassins were the court elite in the war against the enemies of the Imam by striking down oppressors and usurpers. They gave the ultimate proof of their faith and loyalty, and during the mediate and. Bliss there's a famous story of a mother who wept with joy. When she heard that her son had carried out a successful assassination, she assumed that he died in the process and had gone to paradise when her son returned home, alive and healthy, she wept in shame, which goes to show the all encompassing power of faith and achieving that sort of conviction took training. According to both of Strasbourg who visited Syria in eleven, seventy five assassin indoctrination started young and involved heavy isolation. You learned a variety of languages like Latin and Greek and other techniques to blend in. The most important aspect of your education was to learn obedience to your master. Only unquestionable devotion was achieved. Were you ready and when that time came were called before the grand master. Hassan himself and took part in a ceremony. You would never forget. It begins with Hassani so boss standing before you in the grandmasters chamber. The founder of your order the Rightful Messenger to Alah for some time now he's promised you. Paradise and today marks the beginning of your passage there he hints Your Cup and Instructs you to take a sip. You don't ask what's inside. You prove your obedience. You ignore the bitter taste as it passes your lips and enters your body then suddenly you fall asleep. When you wake up, you're no longer in the grandmasters chamber. You're in a lush green garden. It's filled with trees and bushes. There's a river trickling nearby birds and insects hover making music all around you the garden of Paradise and it's exactly as the Prophet Muhammed described soon beautiful maidens appear carrying a bounty of fruits, milk, and honey for hours. They feed you. Treat you like a king. They tell you this is your reward for being faithful to the grand master and a law. This is what awaits you if you die for Hassan. But, your time in paradise can't last forever, not yet. One of the maidens hands you a AQAP. She orders you drink and you do. The next time you wake up, you're back at alum in the grandmasters chamber again he instructs you to describe what you just saw. And you do with enthusiasm when you finish the grandmasters, steps forward and asks you a question. If he promises to give you Paradise Again, will you obey his command? You fall to your knees and proclaim. Yes I will, and you mean it like you never have before. Then the grandmaster bids you rise before him. You are now an assassin. He places a golden dog in your hand and gives you a name. It's time to kill. Coming up the assassin's face retaliation and expand their order into Syria now back to the story. In ten ninety five, the order of the assassins separated from the fought timid caliphate, and created their own Islamic state based in Kassel Allah mood in modern. Day Iran because the orders leader. Hassani Saba didn't have the numbers to conquer enemies in war. He relied on his followers, unwavering devotion. He learned that one fearless assassin could be just as effective as an army of a thousand men, and he was said to create that loyalty through a drug induced ceremony known as the Garden of Paradise though. The Garden Paradise Ceremony is one of the most famous. Famous assassin legends historians question the truth behind it. Many the records we have on the order come from Europeans, who visited the Holy Land and they were likely heavily embellished and influenced by local rumors as assassin historian Farhadi Duff Dari notes in all likelihood. We'll never know the exact training process of the order. It was one of the most heavily guarded secrets they had rumors that Hassan Deception and drugs like hashish within the walls of alum, started circulating through Persia almost immediately, following the creation of the order, which may point to some inherent truth. But? We can't discount the likelihood that those rumors were started by the cell jokes or other Sudanese as a form of anti is miley propaganda. Other scholars believe that the garden of Paradise Legend is wrongfully attributed to Hassan that it was more likely created by a leader of the Syrian order of assassins Rashid Al Deen Synon- years later for know what's important is how these popular misconceptions might have been born. After Christian Crusaders arrived in Persia. And Syria they encountered the order of the assassins. Fascinated by the allegiance, the men had to their leaders that fascination sparked lor that may or may not have been based on, real events. By the time, the stories reached Europe. It was like a game of telephone. They were likely far from true. Interestingly, one of the men responsible for some of these rumors was Marco Polo the famous Italian explorer. He may have even spun the tail that the Garden of Paradise Legend dates back to Hassani, Saba, but Marco Polo was born one hundred thirty years after Hassan's death. The only time he ever interacted with the order of assassins was during their downfall. So even the most popular theories about the order like their use of hashish have to be questioned while they may have smoked the psychedelic resin recreationally. Evidence that Hasan administered it to his followers during training or that he used it as some sort of mind control for their missions historian James Waterson. That the assassination needed to be intelligent, adaptable and resourceful man, and being under the influence would have likely jeopardize their missions historian. Farhadi off. Tari emphasizes that the assassins under Hasan were sober. Sacrificing their lives was purely a matter of conviction, which is understandably a difficult concept to wrap your head around. It takes a lot of conditioning belief and resolve to achieve that state of mind. Such behavior was foreign to the Europeans. So it's no surprise that people searched for alternative explanations for how Assan achieved what he did, and his achievements were impressive. Intend ninety-six, the assassins took control of a second fortress geared coup castle located near Present Day Domgaan Iran, according to historian James Wasserman. The castle was taken in a similar fashion as Allah moot bloodlessly through espionage as the story goes, a member of the order infiltrated the castle posing as a cell joke. Eventually, he convinced the sultan to name him commander as commander. He fortified the castle, and the Celtics funded it. Then he declared he was a follower of Hassani, saw he welcomed the order inside, and they took control, but while geared coup castle fell easily other areas of Persia relisted the assassins. They met their first major obstacle when they tried to take root in the city of his. Local surrounding the stronghold word interested in what the assassins were preaching, when members of the order arrived, and began using their usual tactics of infiltration and conversion, the citizens banded together and slaughtered them what Hassan maintained his patients. He sent a high ranking officer. A die themed at tash in disguise as the local schoolteacher he believed attached would be more discerning and discreet, and he was right attached converted enough men to the assassins sect of Islam. NIZARA is Myla's them that the city would be taken without a single death assassin control of Behan was a major blow to the cell jokes. They were in the midst of a civil war. A civil war that the assassins would use in their favor. If you recall one of the first assassination at the hands of the order was the political advisor Nissan L. Mook not long after the Celtics Felton. Mainly Shah died tension only increased. One may leak Shah's sons Barky Roque and Muhammad to par each vied for power though Barky Roque was officially named Sultan his half brother Muhammed lead open revolts. Allegedly civil war hockey roque actually employed the assassins. Were for all intents and purposes his enemies, but he needed to remove his half brothers lieutenants, in fact, at least half of the assassinations ordered by Hassani Sabha were against Celtic Tiger whose deaths benefited Sultan Bark. Iraq eventually around eleven, hundred or eleven o one. Barkya, Roque managed to stop Muhammed's insurrection by bribing him with land, and once he no longer had a need for assassinations bark year Roque turned his attention to crushing the order. Sultan Barky Arocca may have been happy to use the assassins when they were convenient, but he'd grown tired of their presence in Isfahan and case. Don. So in eleven o four. He ordered his forces to attack a smileys throughout the region resulting in a brutal massacre. In, Response Hassan targeted sell joke, officers and military commanders throughout the region, his followers slipped into Celtic fortresses, and silently killed the men in charge, leaving their soldiers leaderless, but Hassan needed to stop their message from spreading as well the subjects suny spiritual leaders were speaking out against his mile him, so he sent his feet die to kill suny preachers anywhere they could. Even in mosques this was profane transgression of their faith something that even his enemies wouldn't expect and it worked, although we had superior numbers, Sultan Barky. Iraq called for a truce with the order. The details of their agreement are unclear, but of course historian James Wasserman the terms were beneficial to Hassan and his men. This is why Sultan Barky Arocca was heavily criticised for the deal. His people saw it as weakness, so the sultan broke, the truce, sent his armies out, and slaughtered his my least throughout his fajon and modern day Iraq it. It was a show of strength, but it never stopped in 11:05 Barky Roque died of unknown causes. His half brother. Mohammed was finally named. Sultan, he continued to fight the order of assassins who had killed so many of his men. small-scale attacks and assassinations raged on for years until eleven ten, then sell juke forces laid siege to alum Castle for eight years under Muhammad, the sell nukes tightened their stranglehold on Hassan and assassin leaders surrounded the order nearly starved to death, but they managed to hold on long enough for Muhammad par to die. Cornered and week Hassan saw Muhammed's death as an opportunity for the moment piece was his only chance for survival to rebuild, and just like that the siege was inexplicably called off the order of assassins retreated according to historian James Wasserman Hassan later sent Bassett to the new Sultan. A man named Sanjar to negotiate a ceasefire Sanjar promptly dismissed the messengers, refusing to listen to any offer. This happened again and again Hassan would dispatch his ambassadors to San Jars Court and each time they were turned away so Hassan decided to get creative. One morning when Sanjar woke up, he found an assassin's dagger planted in the ground next to his bed, not long after Hassan sent one last ambassador to the court. This time Sanjar allowed the assassin to speak, he delivered these words from Hassan did I not wish the sultan well that dagger, which was struck in the hard ground, would have been planted in his soft breast. The message was received. And clear the war was ended despite occasional skirmishes between the Celtics and Persians for the most part. There was peace in fact Sultan Sanjar even called upon the order of assassins when a coup was brewing his empire in the years after peace was declared, there are many records of assassinations by the order. The assassins were likely focused on reestablishing their political and religious control among local communities, except there was one murder that had been a longtime coming some unfinished business for the aging Hassan. In eleven twenty one to assassins traveled from Aleppo to Cairo, they snuck into the palace of the fought timid Calif seeking the K. lives political adviser, Alaw Dow, the same man who helped orchestrate the murder of Hassan's friend Nasar. This murder was the reason Hassan had separated, and created his own state, and the namesake for the assassins branch of Islam needs are is my lissome. Now Hassan was finally going to get his revenge twenty five years after his ours death to Hassan's feed is plunged their daggers into Alaw. Dow spilling his blood across the palace floor. It was one of the last major assassinations under Hassan's rule. In May eleven twenty four Husani Sabaot was struck with a fatal illness as he weakened, he named his most trusted General Boozer Goo mead as his successor and immed- promise to continue. Spreading Missouri is smile ISM across the world. It wasn't going to be easy to fill Hassan shoes. For years the leader the assassins had inspired a legendary devotion amongst his men, and he juggled attacks and strategies on countless Frantz in the ongoing holy wars, all allegedly from inside the Ele- moot, the survival of the order of assassins wasn't guaranteed behead enemies everywhere the subject Turks and the Fatimid Caliphate. In the midst of this uncertainty, Husani Saba died on May Twenty third eleven twenty four, he was almost eighty, and he passed peacefully inside the castle. He hadn't left in thirty five years during his reign as leader of the order of assassins, he'd perfected a new style of warfare a war in the shadows. According to James Watterson the order carried out roughly fifty assassinations on Hasan's command, but in the years that followed new leaders stepped into his shoes. Many of them were even more radical. They drove the order of assassins further into isolation and left a trail of blood in their wake. Thanks again for tuning into secret societies will be back next week with part. Two of the order of assassins will explore how the Persian assassin struggled in the wake of their leader's death, and how the Syrian assassins continued the holy war against the Sunnis, and later the Christians you can find all episodes of secret societies, and all other park has originals for free on spotify deleted leaders spotify already have. 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I've the opportunity to interview so many fascinating people. I hope that you are enjoying those episodes. And at this particular moment i thought let me go into the hello somebody family. Let's talk about some stuff especially since we're coming up on a year since hello somebody made its debut. Yes many of you may remember and thank you all those of you who were with me from the beginning and some of the new folks. We have here right now. Hello somebody family. But it was june fifteenth of a twenty twenty when the first episode debuted. Here we are coming up on juneteenth in twenty twenty one so first episode of the show of hello somebody and also a historic moment in our nation's history because a juneteenth which is a short for june nineteenth is the day when the federal troops arrived in galveston texas as many of us may know to history. And it's you know it said that Juneteenth is really about the the word spreading across the south that slavery was over a technically it had to do with the signing of the masturbation proclamation by president abraham lincoln slavery was not technically over because the mess patient proclamation was signed before the thirteenth amendment to the constitution but the masturbation proclamation did free slaves. That were not in the confederate states. So that's a whole 'nother show a whole another episode. We should talk about that. Because i think a lot of people truly believe that the masturbation proclamation set a black people in total free or enslaved black people free and it really did not the mess patient. Proclamation was signed by president abraham lincoln january of eighteen sixty three and in that proclamation. If you go back and read the language it really is about those black people who were enslaved in the confederate states. I am the exact alang which is something like shelby thin thence ford and forever free quote unquote but that had to do with the enslaved black people in the confederate states. There are border states by which the masturbation proclamation did not apply so if you are a slave holder in the border states or rebel states that were under the control of the union. The slaves in those states were not free. And you know it's important that we that we recognize that in the telling of the stories and you know the beautiful thing about histories that we there's always something for us to discover rediscover and see in different ways feel in different ways talk about in different ways see yes was the mess a patient proclamation in eighteen sixty three an important step by president abraham lincoln absolutely it was however it did not free all enslaved people and it did not free. African americans in totality was not until the thirteenth member to the constitution. So we think about the civil war from eighteen sixty one eighteen sixty five and in the border states that did not see the union. South carolina was certainly the first southern state to see the union and formed the confederate states. But there were border states. That was delaware maryland kentucky and missouri and And after eighteen sixty three the west. Virginia those slaveholding states did not see the union and therefore the medication proclamation did not set those enslaved people frey. Hello somebody on that. They just didn't. So let's have that conversation. Thirteenth amendment to the constitution is what freed all enslaved people and then we know that the documentary thirteen goes deeper into the other language within the thirteenth amendment. Constitutional we talk about holding people in prison. And so that's another episode two and shout out to a do varnay for such a powerful documentary. Meanwhile back on own juneteenth. June nineteen so. That is a celebration about you. Know the the federal troops arriving in galveston texas in eighteen. Sixty five and the word spreading that enslaved people were in air quotes free and in that moment the fact that we continue to celebrate juneteenth as well we should and i think is that that celebration is the longest standing celebration Right now for american people we about juneteenth and what it symbolizes and what it meant meant to our ancestors at that time when they got the word you know. There was no texting and twitter instagram. And tick tock in all the other technologies that we have right now to get the word across and so the word hit galveston texas and so we have definitely been celebrating that for many many years. Now so we wanna you know. Continue to do that. And so in. Texas was organized and became an annual celebrate on june nineteenth and decades and decades celebration prayer and recognition abou the importance of june team. And you know it really makes me think about mother opal lee. Many of you may recall. And i am so happy that i and other leaders people like diddy and others have really been very supportive of a call. Her mama opo. But opel lee in her efforts to continue to keep a the juneteenth alive and a a recognition. She's ninety three. She may be ninety four right now but she's from texas and she has campaigned and make juneteenth a national holiday. For many many years and her fight continues i have been on calls with her zoom calls with her her and diddy a her and her niece who helps her and i am so glad that she is continuing to be a force on this issue and picking up the manto. Hey you know what else is. Shells shows that even in your nineties baby if you bill is though you got something else to give you something else to do some other assignment that you have been given that age ain't nothing but a number estate farm everything we do is focused on building strong neighborhoods together. We know that a better world tomorrow starts with a strong neighborhood today. We have functioned on the belief that being a good neighbor means being good stewards of the neighborhoods we serve. It is not enough to simply do business with people you must also do good alongside them. A good neighbor shovels the snow in the driveway of an elder. A good neighbor will let you know when you have left your garage door open at night. A good neighbor brings you chicken soup. You are sick. A good neighbor like state far is always there with over nineteen thousand local agents across the country. State farm is committed to being good neighbours wherever our customers find themselves like a good neighbor state. Farm is. They're looking for great entertainment. Sign up for peacock the free streaming service from nbc. Universal peacock has the perfect pick for any mood with thousands of hours of hit movies and shows looking for family movie night. Checkout awesome hits like world tour in the mood for laughs your comedy fix with the office and don't miss critically acclaimed dramas award winning movies and more plus get access to exclusive originals like ap bio and say by the bill as well as towns of kids entertainment like curious george and trolls topi for the latest. It's checkout peacocks. Timely news and live sports coverage gets dozens of always on channels like the choice and nbc sports on peacock peacock is the best of streaming. And the best of tv to get started sign up now for free at peacock. Tv dot com. I'm so inspired by our elders. Like mama openly and the work that she has she has. She has participated in marches. All across this country walks to really draw attention to juneteenth and the fact that she is continuing to fight to make it a national holiday. This beautiful thank that that she is in fact doing that and she seeing her mission and was she has been called to do to to do that. You know ovals walk ear and is just steph. something. I believe that you know she may be planning something for this year as well as she has an other year. So for those of who care about this please make sure you look up. A mama opel lee and join her fight. Join the movement to try to make a juneteenth. A nationally recognized holiday. A she certainly believes that this is something that will unify the country. And i i agree with her. Jolting should be recognized. It was certainly momentous you know for what it was. It was definitely momentous. I won't take away from that. Even though i through some other historic nuggets at you but certainly momentous and so you know just the role that everybody can play. You know all of us have a role to play in being the change that we want to see in the world. I've talked about that quote so much. You all know how much i love. Quotes quotes and scriptures are. Just my love language. What was your love language. You know all of us. Have something. That motivates certainly quotes do it for me scriptures from the the bible. Do it for me just to that. Positively what motivates you and so in this moment just thinking about as. I'm saying that everybody has a role to play. We all have a role to play. In the mahatma gandhi quote that you often comes to mind be to change that you want to see in the world and certainly going back to mama opaline for just a moment she certainly personifies being the change that you want to see in the world so back to hello somebody you know the reason why. I'm i'm talking about juneteenth too. Because in the release of the show a year ago on june team. I was talking about june teeth. I mean how. Can you release a show on juneteenth and not talk about the historic -nificant of june tnd thinking about celebration renewal recognition. What things are happening in our lives across the spectrum you know beyond juneteenth on the individual level renewal celebration recognition. One of those things that we can recognize celebrate. And then draw some renewal from juneteenth is certainly a day to reflect on the word getting to enslave people in texas that they were free. How can we channel at saying energy and the word getting to us in the twenty first century that we are free unless parcel freedom freedom and all of his forms free to be a critical thinker and a free thinking person free to be able to live a life a dignity free to think free to breathe clean air free to drink clean water free to eat food free to love whom you will free. What does freedom mean for us in the twenty first century. Y- does i want you to pause for a minute and just think about that and as you think about using the historic imprint. The juneteenth has left for all of us. The follow whether you are of african descent or have african descendants or not like directly descendants because we are all from africa. Don't get me started. Get me started about the my the con- drill even dna and the fact that africa is the cradle of civilization. It is where all life burgeoned from the genesis. The beginning of life comes from the continent of africa so all the way back at the origins we are all african. You know. I'm thinking about nasa's song about black you know and i think there's some words in there too he uses about you know we all black and in that way you know. He's he's absolutely right. At the very origin of humankind. We all black to what are what are those things. Look for. Timely news coverage peacocks. Got it whether you need the latest headlines or a daily debrief you can find it all when you sign up. Check out the peacock original new series the mehdi hassan show and zelina streaming on the choice channel journalists mehdi hassan and zelina maxwell go beyond the headlines with interviews and indepth reporting stream exclusive do episodes daily plus don't miss always on channels like nbc news now and today all day for instant information on the top stories happening now stay current on the latest in entertainment sports business and more with curated channels streaming twenty four seven for all this coverage and more go to peacock tv dot com to sign up today. I malcolm gabrielle. And i've got to warn you. The new season of my podcast revisionist history is completely unbound. Were finally out of the house. And now that we've got the chance going into the streets and even under the see all in the name of continuing. This journey through the overlooked misunderstood are episodes take on autonomous cars dirty laundry college rankings and fairytales in quarantine i finally watch the little mermaid and i was shocked. It's rife with moral conundrums. Can it be saved with the help of jodie foster brit marling deck shepherd. We attempt an epic d disney defying of a disney classic. I haven't decided who we rile up. Most college presidents or disney executives. You'll have to hear for yourself. Listen to revisionist history on the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. What sticks out about june team is people. Got the word. The word k. What's the word comes forth right now. What's the word. What's the word that motivates you. What do you need to hear. What do you need to to know to do the word think that. What are those life words. How do we speak life. And an act upon it and it doesn't mean because certainly we know that life has its ups and downs and turnarounds in shrink Life is not perfect but life is definitely worth living so the the symbolism of juneteenth and all that admit to enslave people to get the word that we are free. Oh my god we are free and we know that it was terrible and it was not perfect. Obviously a black folks the descendants enslaved people. What did that freedom really mean for them. When they had a system that did not see their humanity for you do what they didn't own anything. They had no lane. The only jobs that they had ever known were jobs that they worked for free. Talk about freedom force chattel slavery. We know these things. So from a deep seated perspective of hearing that were free in air quotes and what enslaved people did with that freedom even though the mountains that they had to surmount were so high because still villawood a system that did not want to recognize not only their freedom but didn't wanna recognize their humanity but yet and still they found something to celebrate even in the ideal of even with just the glimmer of light and the glimmer of hope and all of the trials and tribulations that came after that to continue to that freedom hold on to it tightly and then their descendants in the twenty first century still looking for freedom bike all human beings are so what. What does that mean. Getting the word to are free. If somebody was words to say to you today you are free. What will come to mind free from what so. Yeah that's why i mean for you'll start off saying i'm heavy and just in deep thought i i'm blessed and i'm grateful to be able to have the opportunity to talk with an to so many of you who have lifted this podcast. Who believe in me as a leader in as a sister in the struggle and For us to be on his magnificent but incredibly hard journey together. That's it you know. It does take us to have moments of reflection. And i hope that you all are doing that on a regular basis if you not take a moment to reflect and to be grateful. I want to encourage you to do that. Even moments where. You cannot see glimmers of hope glimmers of light even a moment where you cannot necessarily see your way out of a situation. I do want you to hold on or fine moments. Where in your life in the past where. It didn't seem like you get out of a situation yet. You did anyhow you know. You got the muscle memory for that. We gotta hold onto that. And i know my god. It is so hard at times. I mean even for me. A we are navigating this world together and my grandma used to love. The were shown enough. I think there's something about saying show. Now so a navigating ups and downs and turnarounds of life. Show enough will help you to understand what you're made of a where you come from. What can you endure. And what can you learn from. Life's lessons what is it is always a thing even at times where we just don't see it as there's always a thing so i don't know juneteenth is makes me very reflective in that there's always a thing moment because there is always a thing but i do believe that as we look at renew and recognition and celebration that it is within that human experience that we must continue to push towards the high price and whatever that means for you for for some people. It's just being able to have a moment with their family for others. It is being able to have a good job for others it. Is you know taking a walk in a park others. It is just simply being able to survive every single day now. Many of you've heard me talk about time. And time again that i wanna see moments where the greatest majority of people in this country and even in this world are not just in survival mode. Because i don't believe at one can truly truly enjoy life. If for the majority of urine survival mode we gotta move from survival to thriving. And that's why i pushed so hard in the work that i do as an activists on the work that i do somebody who has been able to occupy elected positions the work that i do just as a sister in the struggle where humanity the i wanna see. I wanna continue to work towards getting people from surviving to thriving you know being a survival mode is not fun you know is very taxing on your mind very taxing on your spirit. It is and so as we take some of the larger lessons of june juneteenth renewal recognition celebration. What is it about getting the word a. You are free sisters and brothers family members and friends. We must study ourselves but his life's journey. We must do all that we can to shore up ourselves before in fact we can help. We must reflect and recognize what langston hughes said in one of his poems. One of my favorites mother. The sunlight may been no crystal stair said to the sun and i'm just going off memory so i don't have this forbade them but she said something like life ain't been no crystal stair has a tax doors and in places where i have never been but is a been climbing said. Don't you give up now you know. Oh my god those words at just imagine black people when they were getting the word in eighteen sixty five and in galveston texas their freedom had calm even though we parse out that freedom from our twenty first century understand and all that we have learned and continue to learn in history but doesn't mullet a son pack. Don't you give up now. Think about that. Don't you give up now. That were just as admit something to our for parents in eighteen sixties. It means something to her and twenty twenty one. Don't you give up now is have been climate. But don't you give up now. y'all you know. i'm feeling this day. Y'all gonna make me just you know. Look up the poem paraphrasing it and just go ahead and just read the thing as langston hughes. Put it out there because these are definitely words. A the worst live body really really are. Let's has gone and doing mother to son. Shall we read a portion of his paul while we're here together if that's all right with you he. I'm just filling full reflective orange and teeth and just reflective of life in general and just the blessings that come with it even with the struggle. So let's go ahead and end our reflection on june eighteenth with mother to son by langston hughes well son and we can put daughters in there too. Well son. i'll tell you life for me ain't been no crystal. Stair is attacks in it and splinters and boards torn up and places with no carpet on the floor bare but all the time is a been climbing on and reaching landings and turning corners and sometimes going in the dark where there ain't been no light so boy don't you turn back. Don't you sit down on the steps. 'cause you'll find it's kind of hard. Don't you fall now. But is still going honey. I steal climbing and life for me ain't been no crystal stair. You better go ahead on langston hughes you read a goal. Hey mother to son mother two daughters mother to friends families daddy's that we can put all kinds of stuff on that poem that langston hughes laid the foundation for so all that we are doing and pushing for as we reflect on juneteenth. Let us remember that life ain't been no crystal stair but we must keep climbing and we must keep pushing onto the high marks of the prize however we define it in our lives. We don't keep on climate we to keep on pushing we'll keep them reflect and we're gonna keep learning we will keep on loving we will keep on embracing in we will keep going higher so hello somebody family. Oh we i love. Y'all so very much again. Thank you and is such a wonderful time to celebrate. Not only this one year anniversary of hello somebody but also reflect and on the historic significance of juneteenth. I'm bright with mother. Opal and we. The united states of america definitely needs may june team a national holiday. Won't you join the fight to make it a national holiday. Our i'm sending you love light peace. Let's keep the faith in. Let's keep the fight until next. Hello somebody Hello somebody is a production of iheart radio and the black affect network the more podcast iheartradio visit the iheart. Radio app apple podcasts. Over for you listen to your favorite shows. Have you ever purchased the service and in a few weeks later. That services being offered at a discount. 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Episode 129: MINISODE: This Is The Kick In The Butt You Need Right Now
"Hey everybody jonah and welcome to this week's episode of the advanced. Your podcast. A weekly podcast. All about business abundance. I love a good behind the scenes. Look at how other creatives do their work. I try and consume as much information as possible to see how other artists run their businesses and create. And i try to find out what works for others to see how it answers can use it to. And this week's minnesota comes from hearing this on another podcast in microbial. Podcast working it out. Mike doesn't interview with another favorite comedian. Mine hassan menashe. They talked about hassan. Got into comedy and how he used to work at office. Max when he was first starting out and as he started getting more into comedy in making money off of standup he said something that really resonated with me and i think it will resonate with you too. He said comedy gave me power in control over my own life. I had no power control or dignity. He recalled how used to have to greet customers at officemax and would get yelled at by his manager when he didn't do it right. He says i didn't want him manager. Talk to me like that ever again. And if i can do this in control can say whatever i want and then her to say. I don't want anybody to tell me what to say or do. I absolutely love this for so many reasons. But the main reason is something i've been harping on while now and also have to regularly remind myself up to that. Taking control of your life is so so freeing. It's what i hope. Everyone can achieve in their own way by defining in creating their own success. That if you're tired of waiting for someone to call on you offer you gig as part of a troop water. It is that you go out and create your own opportunities so this is my reminder to you keep at it so you never have to take someone else shit again if you need help on how to get the most out of online classes. You can still download Bundles free guide zhanna. That's z a dot dance slash. Bundle and click on. Get the guide and the buildi- bundles also graciously running on giveaway can win three pairs of gills for free. Enter the contests and you could be. The lucky winner takes three sets of turk with internationals most popular sales and a second copy to give a friend. This year's giveaway package is valued at over two hundred. Seventy dollars and tiffany will ship anywhere in the world to enter for your chance to win. just visit. Gina dot dance slash. Bundle and click on wind free cells. The giveaway closed on october. Second make sure to enter. Now thank you so much for listening. Stay safe and until next career.
Comic Hasan Minhaj
"From WHYY in Philadelphia. This is fresh air. I'm David being Cooley in for Terry gross. My name is Hassan notch or as a few weeks number eight three zero two eight seven. That's former daily show correspondent Hassan. Montage doing stand up at the two thousand seventeen White House correspondents dinner about being a Muslim American and the son of India now in President Trump's America. He says he grew up different from other kids and different from his immigrant. Father who didn't approve of the things Assan wanted to do. Like, listen to hip hop. Watch cable TV and have fun. His rules would be growing up. We're very simple. No fun. No friends. No girlfriends, you can have fun in med school which. A huge ally. Hasan montage has a new net. Flicks weekly political comedy series Patriot Act. Also, I'll review homecoming the new mystery series starring Julia Roberts on Amazon prime. Hassan Manashe, formerly from the daily show has a new series on Netflix called Patriot Act with John montage. It premiered last weekend with new installments scheduled to appear each Sunday in an episode which focused on America's relationship with Saudi Arabia Manashe, criticized a US government publication intended for American troops deploying to the region because of language which has on montage called out for being racist. Suddenly, America's marriage of convenience with Saudi Arabia is starting to feel outdated. How dated our military has been working in Saudi Arabia for decades. And if you are sent on a training mission in Saudi Arabia. This is the official military document. You get it describes the Saudi people as indigenous tribes with some later mixture of negro blood from slaves imported from Africa. Oh, America, even boring technical manuals, you still somehow manage to be raised. This. This is still on the internet you guys, but a son, you know, it was probably written a while ago. Really? It was updated June twenty but has done these things are like an itunes user agreement. It's at the bottom. It's chapter one page five. Okay. But as negro still a bad word, dictionary dot com offensive after that program. Aired the American military subsequently apologized for that language and removed the entire sixty-nine page booklet from the internet Monagas parents are Muslim immigrants from India. Last year, he hosted the White House correspondents dinner the first one under the presidency of Donald Trump who breaking with tradition did not attend before hosting this new series Hassan. Manashe did a comedy special on Netflix called homecoming king? That's when Terry gross spoke with him about his family background growing up in California, the son of immigrants, she started with a clip in which he's telling the story of the anonymous threatening phone call his family received at home right after nine eleven just after the phone, call the windows on the family car were shattered Hassan went out into the street to see if he could find who did it. I look back in the middle of the street my dad's in the. The middle of the road sweeping glass out of the road. Like he works at like a hate crime barbershop. Like Muslim was anger. We gotta clean this zen Brown. Mr. Miaki, just like not saying a word I run up to my dad. Why aren't you saying something I've known ask you say something? He looks at me. And he goes I sent. Us at the whole thing. Wing it. These things happen in these things will continue to happen. That's the price we pay for being. And that's when I was like on, oh, we really are from two different generations like BMX bikes aside. My dad's from not generation like a lot of immigrants really feels like if you come to this country, you pay this thing like the American dream tax, right? Like, you're going to endorse them racism. And if it doesn't cost you your life. Well, hey, you lucked out pay it. There you go. San but for me like a lot of us. I was born here. So actually had the audacity of equality. That's an excerpt of homecoming King Hassan Manashe, welcome to fresh air. I love this new show. Thanks for having me, Terry. Can you talk a little bit more about the difference in your point of view about what it means to be an immigrant and a Muslim in America now, and what the difference generation -ly between your father as an immigrant and US somebody who was born here. Yeah. The biggest difference between an I feel like a lot of third culture kids feel this and identify a third culture kid, meaning that, you know, my family's from India. The immigrated to America, I was born here I exist in this hyphen, I'm an Indian American Muslim kid, but in my more Indian and my more American what what part of my identity. Am I and one of the biggest things immigrant kids? Oftentimes feel is. It's this big disparity between our parents and us, our parents, our staunch pragmatists, and we actually I consider myself to be an optimist, you know. So when my dad immigrated here, we talk about it in the show. There's this thing called, you know, the American dream tax. You're gonna come here you're going to endure some struggles some problems, but if you don't die if it doesn't cost you your life way, you lucked out. My dad is a child of partition when it happened in India. So if I explained the concept of micro aggressions to him, he's like, I dealt with full on aggression, you you're lucky put your head down and go. Tissue is when Pakistan divided from India, and there was a both sides of this new border and a lot of violence in a lot of death. Yes. And it was one of the largest mass exodus of people from India to Pakistan, my dad's family stayed in earlier in India, which was a huge decision because you're dividing country based on religious lines. So the things that he saw on witnessed as a kid. He doesn't wanna hear about my identity crises at school. You know? And and how I wanted just, you know, fall in love and fit for him things that he witnessed during that generation and era were very very extreme oftentimes violent, but what's weird is for me as a kid growing up going to school taking honors govern high school and learning about equality and civil liberties you actually at at a young age have this sense of optimism where you're like. Oh, so I m e equal that. Means I shouldn't be treated this way. And that's where there's this big sort of differentiation between us, and our and our parents, and you know that night when I told that story of September twelfth it was the first night of so many nights where I kind of was put in this position. Where do I think like my dad do I sweep up the glass that's in the road? Do I sort of just forget this hate crime. Do I sweep up the glass that way the neighbors don't see it and just go back inside? And actually be grateful that they broke the windows on the car. They didn't break the windows to the house and try to, you know, come in and do something and just hey, just count my blessings or do I use this as a moment to be like, no this is wrong. And I should I should speak up and say something because it's it's these moments where maybe my generation can move the needle Ford a little bit and talk about this. But I and I even say it in the show that pendulum swings back. And fourth for me all the time. I don't have clear, you know, that this is the way you deal with this. There's sometimes we're maybe my dad's right in there. Sometimes where I'm like, no. I think I think he's wrong. I think being an angry optimist is the solution. So there are a lot of cultural differences between you and your father. And let's start with the fact that your father hadn't even met your mother when he decided to marry her can you describe the circumstances of their marriage. My dad was doing grad school, and he was in all eager, you know, he was of age to get married and he hit heard. About this girl named Sima my mom, and I talk about it in the show the hype around Sima, she was like the iphone eight of oligarch people were just like oh my God. Have you heard of this girl named Seema? She's very slim and slender and her family owns a camera. And my dad was like, oh my God a camera. I can't believe this. You know? So he just off of just this yelp review of who she was and what her family was like he just ran down to my grandfather's house in laid it all on the line. He's just like what's up? I'm notch me. I'm a chemist. I'm I'm going to America. Please. Let me marry Seema in ten minutes. He married a woman he had never laid eyes on. And it's a pretty incredible story when I think about it because that level of decisiveness is something that I don't have. I'm his son. I don't have that level of decisiveness. But because of that decision I'm here, and it's it's pretty wild. Okay. So he marries your mother without meeting. Her you on the other hand you were born in one thousand nine hundred five you grew up with. Pop up with television and movies, but the kind of television movies were sex is a constant presence. And. Before marriage is is a constant presence. Yeah. And so again like the difference between like your father's cultural values growing up in India and your own growing up. Here are so much at odds with each other was was it hard for you to an obviously like you wanted to fit in when you're in high school. Is it hard for you to find a place? We you could survive at home and be your father, son. But also be the person you wanted to be at school and with your friends. Yeah. His rules would meet growing up. We're very simple. No fun. No friends. No girlfriends. You can you can have fun in med school which. A huge lie Terry. It's just a blatant lie. It never you know, you go to a club. And you just see a bunch of dudes going crazy. Like what's going on fellas? A what's going on residency? Like, I'm Evan the time in my life. It doesn't work like that. But I felt like for my dad, I am his first round draft pick. You know, like, I'm the LeBron James to his franchise. I have to deliver the dream. And you know, I am aware of that. I go back to L eager. And I go back to Delhi often where my cousins live now. And I'm very aware of the opportunity that I have when I go meet them. And that's where I understand, and I empathize with what my dad feels. And when I was in high school and trying to. Meet and talk to girls go to the movies on a weekend. You know, try to maybe go to like some sort of social event fit in maybe. You know, I never would invite school friends over my house. I go over to, you know, like, my friends houses, I it was just about trying to fit in and find my place in the world where my dad really felt look if you take care of these necessary things you'll you'll find your place. But I meant that emotionally. I wanna find my place emotionally, where do I belong, you know? And that was a tough thing for him to understand. So it was comedy like a secret weapon for you in school. Like a way for you to be yourself and stand out, and what did your father think of comedy? In high school. I didn't know what comedy was, but I was involved in speech and debate and public speaking close. Yeah. But it clubs down up. Yeah. But no actually believe it or not are they are very similar when I got to college. That's when I was first exposed to stand up comedy again. I had never I didn't know what it was my, you know, my parents didn't let us have cable television. So I thought stand up comedy was the stuff that Seinfeld did before Seinfeld where he's just like like you ever noticed. What what's what the laundry, and I was always like, I hate that part of Seinfeld. Like get to the episode, then when I get to college I get exposed to prior bring the pain, Chris all this like really edgy subversive stuff all the stuff that I could never say in my house or at school. They're being critical of the government. I mean, they're really being provocative Carlin. These guys are really pushing the edge. And that's when I realized, oh, that's funny speech and debate like my favorite comedians are just presenting an argument, and they're doing it in a funny way in whenever I would. D-do speech and debate friends, or like, we would have we there was a division called impromptu speaking, you're given a topic if you can make the judges laugh, or if you could ridicule your opponents position and make the judges laugh. I always would do better on the scorecard. So when I had this sort of all my God. Like, that's it that I I've been doing that. I know how to do that. And that's when I really wanted to get into comedy, and sort of like, political comedy and talk about a lot of these topics. Sometimes it'd be too taboo to talk about another settings. I guess that was good practice for the daily show. Yeah. Inadvertently. Yeah. That's essentially put together a three and a half or four minute chat. That's what you know. Forensics was let's talk about your mother. Father decided to marry your mother through kind of hearing about her through word of mouth and seeing a picture. So they got married they moved to the states, but she went right back to India soon after because she was studying medicine and wanted to complete med school there. So basically for the first eight years of your life. You were brought up by your father with occasional visits from your mother. Yes. Yes. So how much did, you know about her for the first eight years of your life? You know, I I definitely knew about her. And as I was growing up, you know, she was doing she got an opportunity to do residency in rotations in New York. And then in Stockton. So over the course of my life, she moved closer and closer to us. But so I would see her, but it was one of those things where you growing up with an Indian father who super strict, and then my mom who. Has to sort of the antidote assists to him that made it really bittersweet because I really wanted to be around my mom, and it's it's tough being just a kid growing up with an immigrant father and not have having that buffer to be there as much, you know, who's really hard. It was hard. Your mother returned for good to your home in the family was reunited, the families suddenly got much larger because your mother brought with her a five year old girl who you were told was your sister. The sister you'd never met because your mother and father conceived your sister in India during one of his visits to visit your mother. So you are kind of stunned when you found out that you had this sister that nobody ever told you about why didn't they tell you? My sis- younger sister Aisha was was born in the states and then at two months after her birth. She went to go live with my grandparents and be raised there. So I didn't officially officially, you know, get a chance to really meet her until I was eight, you know, and so that I think, you know, the tough thing was again a lot of immigrant households. When you when you come to the states, you don't have the the sort of bandwidth and setup to accommodate a lot of things, you know, my dad is working full-time, I'm at school, and then I'm going to preschool and sort of an after school daycare program. And now we have a newborn my little sister. My my mom is doing residency and rotations. So she's at a hospital all day there. Just wasn't that infrastructure to care for this new? Baby and also financially potential. You know that wasn't there. My grandparents were in India, and it was set up in such a way that that way. She could be raised in shoes around cousins. And it was an amazing way for her to grow up. Our narratives are very different. She grew up in India like literally it took a village she was around people that loved her and were there for her. And I was this Brown kid who was alone in America with his dad. And so when she came back, I was just like, I hate this person. Like who are you? I just wanted to mom now, I got you. So I'm going to stop you here because we have a clip from your show homecoming king. And would you talk about how you felt about your sister? Is this kind of like intruder in your life? She can't came to live with you. So so let's hear that clip in this Assan Manashe from his Netflix comedy special homecoming king. I hated that Brown girl, so much the honest with you guys totally understood the walls like build that wall. I would look a little. I remember lovely with my parents at the dinner table. I was like look mom, dad. Let's just be real all my God, these Brown people. Oh, jeez. Coming into our house. Eating fruit roll ups. They don't speak the language. I say we tell them to go back to where they came from. That's just me. He's say that we're family. We're all that. We have. I'm like, nah, that's one you and mom. You guys decided to get your Angelina Jolie on in bring over this five and a frog that's on you. So you describe in your show that you took all the anger channel, you of anger channel you because you're Brown and Muslim and you channel did at you new sister. How did you realize that you were doing that? I. Didn't realize how messed up it was until there was this incident where you know, I I wanted to be treated special in a certain way. And then when my sister got there, my dad took a lot of that guilt and not being able to be there. The the first several years of her life missing her first steps or first words all of those things, and he got her this gift that I always wanted this blue BMX bike that I had wanted. It was in the toys R us kids catalog, and I had this cut out on my wall. And then for her fifth birthday he brings everybody in the living room, and he gives her this bike and I stole that bike from her. And I took it around the block, even though she let me she lent it to me. She's like, you can take it out for the first ride, and I took it. And I pop Dewey, I actually fell off the bike. And I messed up the bike like fell over and all the blue paint got chipped off the side of the bike in. I remember her running over and just crying bawling. And I remember looking down at her and being like, wow. Like, this is really messed up. I I've resent this girl. I hate her. She's she's like my foil. But I've been looking for acceptance from everyone at school, and she's just wanted to hang out with that's all she wants. She wants to be around me. She wants me to teach her about America and teach English, and she just wants to be my best friend. What am I doing? And it was sort of this moment where I I remember finally kind of realizing it was the first time where I realized maybe family and looking out for one another is an important thing. Like. It's right here under Neath my nose, and I should value. It did did your father change. Did. He becomes something of a different person. When your mother moved back. He became a much softer person. When my mom and Aisha came back. I you know, I can still see it in his eyes. You know, when he looks at my sister. There is this like deep affection and this. It's so much like love. I remember when I should I came back, and she was wearing this like white frock, and she had like her hair in like in this like ponytail. She was done up like like this little like Brown. Porcelain doll. And I remember my dad, you know, he had like tears in his eyes. He was so happy to see her and have her be in the house and sleep like me and hurt. We shared a bedroom for us to be in one room together really made him happy. I think it was. It's a regret. He still has to this day that he didn't get a chance to be a part of the early part of her life. And when she got here, it definitely made him a lot softer to her, and my mom, you know, they were in the house. But what's weird is it made him super soft with them? But he get he doubled down with me. Like, he just he wanted me to be the the protector, and he wanted me to go from Simba to move really fast. I just I wasn't ready. For that Hassan. Montage speaking to Terry gross last year after a break, we'll continue their conversation, and I'll review the new Amazon prime streaming series called homecoming starring Julia Roberts. I'm David being Cooley. And this is fresh air support for fresh air and the following message come from rocket mortgage by Quicken Loans. Introducing they're all new rate shield approval. If you're in the markets and buy a home, Quicken Loans will lock your rate for up to ninety days while you shop. 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So use the it was the comedy store in LA LA. Okay. Now, you're closer to his homeland closer to home. Yep. I'm living in Los Angeles. At the time. I get a call from. My sister husband by come home. Dad had a heart attack you need to come home. Now. Right. Because your your your family was living in Davis, California. Yes. So you I you do your show and the comedy store, then you go to be with your father. So what was the calculus you did in your mind to decide whether you should cancel your show and just leave or do the show first? And then go that strikes me as a a really a hard choice that you made. Yeah. When I'm not sure you were happy with. Yeah. I'm not I'm still not happy with it. Sorry. It's just like. Very ugly thing, you know, I. I love my dad a lot, you know. And it's something I'm not very proud of. But. I was very angry at that time. I was living in L A, and I'm pursuing comedy on my own terms. My parents specifically, my dad wasn't very, you know, supportive of it. And I remember when I got the call to go home. My sister is really worried, and I was just thinking. Yeah. I gotta do the set. And in my head. It was basically just like. No, this is my time. Now. Nobody can tell me what to do. No one's going to control whether I can leave the house or not. He'll heat doesn't get it. But I'll I'll come out come home after the set. And. I'm very embarrassed that I made that choice. His just. Don't you think in a way? Sometimes the tighter appearance, grip is the more. Like, you have to just like double down when you're breaking away and like demand. Like, no, I'm drawing the line, you know, and. Attack. I mean, sometimes do things that you're not proud of as a result. But I do think that that is a phenomenon Gino in minot one apparent on tight. It's so hard to to kind of break away and become the person you want to be that you sometimes do some really. Yeah. Even dangerous. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a kind of ugly thing, you know, because I I knew better. But yeah. In that moment, it's just I was feeling that grip for so many years, you finally sort of feel free, and yeah, you just want to be your own person and make your own choices in spite of that. And I I decided to do and I've done thousands of sets. But that night I decided to do that set because was almost just like defiant, and a we're in a strange way to be like, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna come home on my own terms. And and you know, there's. There's nothing you can do about it. And you talk about when you did come home. And you saw your father. And you said goodbye to him before the surgery before the bypass, and you thought if he dies something happens to him. I will never have really gotten to know him. Yeah. And you talk about how you decided then that you'd better really get to know him as a person better. And it sounds like you did what did you do to be able to do that? Because as somebody simply who've you've described as keeping secrets and not being forthcoming with you. How did you change the terms of your relationship? I was forced to I don't think it was as much of an act of bravery and courage as it was he had to sit and recover in the hospital. I'm a fulltime stand up comedian my sister, and my mom actually have real jobs. So I'm just forced to sit and talk to him in this hospital room, and you run out of stories. There's only so much wheel of fortune. You can watch in. So I started telling him stories about my life. And he started telling me stories about his life because we just were together all day for weeks. So I was able to start to piecemeal things about his life. And he started to hear stories from my life. And that's how we were able to sort of bridge that divide, and I realized a lot of the things that he was keeping secret. He just didn't want me to worry about you know, like. I mean things like. Why didn't you ever tell me how you met mom or why didn't you guys? Tell me more about the ISIS stuff. Oh, logistically, why didn't you just talk to me about it? And you know, my dad was actually really honest. He was like I could tell when I would look at you. You were having a tough time at school. You're having a tough time fitting in if we dangle that over your head. Oh, you actually have a sibling. You actually have a side kick who looks like you who has the same skin color as you who you could share a lot of these experiences with over. She's in India. It would just it would break your heart to have that reminder be dangled over your head. You know, they're just like I kept that information from you. So they may be you'd be safe for things would be easier. The thing that I kind of told him in you know, he's said the same thing about me. Why would you keep all these things for me? I kept I had the same reasoning with him and mom, I didn't tell them about sneaking out of the house or falling in love or kissing a girl or trying to go to prom all of those things because I didn't want them to worry. But everybody's worrying about what other people will think the truth is still the truth in its. The most powerful thing you can share with person that you love. So it wasn't until you know, my dad and my family seeing death that we had to be like, all right? We got to be on the same page. And we gotta talk about this stuff. Hassan. Manashe speaking to Terry gross last year, more after a break, this is fresh air support for this podcast and the following message. Come from Exxon Mobil over the next five years. 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The daily show oddly became the current equivalent of journalism, you he he actually would see clips of it. And he held John and the same esteem that he would hold, you know, Dan, rather. So to him he was like, oh, this is a guy who's actually doing something good for society. And I would you know, sometimes tell him, you know, dad, John is a stand up comedian. He's like, no, no, no. He this guy. He's a he's a news anchor. He's just funny. I mean, you you doesn't tell jokes too drunk. Well at two o'clock in the morning. That's what you to see. This guy's not a clown. He's a real, you know, the real deal in. So when I had that moment when I got the job, I'm wanted to share that Oscar speech with John all I could say it was like my dad knows you. And he's like all right. I'm sure he does. All right, man. See later like John doesn't understand the magnitude of what that meant. But for me, it was a huge deal. I had been doing stand up ten years one month nine days and to finally have something where your parents know, what it is. It was just meant everything to me. So let's let's change directions. A little bit here on the daily show. You did a piece at the Republican national convention about ripe opposed Muslim ban and the proposed deportation of Muslims things. Donald Trump was talking about. So you interviewed people at the convention with these delegates that you were talking to you yet these were delegates. Okay. So so this is a field piece for the daily show. A no one play some some of the conversation. You were having with delegates. So here's hus- on Manashe. What's the best thing about Oklahoma? Which means valley is the best. I would love to go. There some time. You're always welcome to I would love to come down and see a game. I can't. I am a Muslim. And if Donald Trump was elected, he's probably going to throw me out. I don't think well he has already asked for a complete total shutdown of Muslims entering the country. And he's asked for American Muslims the sign up for a registry. Well, you kind of hit that just a little bit of where he's coming from where he's coming from maybe someplace like this you told CNN quote Islam hates us. Did you mean all one point six billion Muslims? I mean, a lot of them. I made a lot of. The for some reason Republicans don't seem too worried. Here's a guy that shoots off the hip and says things politically incorrect kind of wild guy, sometimes the racist stuff. Just comes right off the hip to hip. Yeah. Can you do bang bang, bang bang? Donald Trump doesn't indicate the Muslim thought of the United States. Well, you think he's going to be nicer to Muslims. I don't know what I'm gonna do. You never know what Donald Trump's gonna do. Right. That's what I'm scared about. Okay. That's some manashian a piece of the Republican national convention for the daily show. After the election. You did a piece on the daily show. Yeah. And it ended with you talking about how your mother at that moment was an India visiting family, and she called you and said to you think it's safe for me to come home in and I'll be able to come home back to America. A new said, I don't know. So it sounds like it was a horrible frightening moment for you. What what was the outcome of that? We got her home ASAP because I didn't know we're doing a live show that night is our election night special. We had a script written that was you know, it followed. What we thought was going to happen that Hillary Clinton will be president as the states. The results were coming in were literally tearing apart or script, we're rewriting a one hour live show in real time. And I'm on WhatsApp audio with my mom, my mom being like, we're watching the news. I'm with your grandma what's going on. And so I'm trying to write jokes about Trump winning the election while I'm on kayak dot com. Like looking up tickets for her to come back. I'm also looking up like what's the legal? Course, how does it work? All of a sudden, I have to become an immigration attorney, a son and a comedian all in what it was just it was a horrible forty eight hours. It was the worst. It was the worst and not knowing that everything will be okay was just really awful. It was really really awful, but you managed to get her home. We did we did we managed to get your home before the Muslim ban happened to I didn't want to risk anything. Like, we got her home shoe supposed to be there for several months, and we just got her home SAP. So I want to ask you about the White House correspondents dinner, which is an annual dinner, and it's impart a roast of the president and of the media in which guest comic like you is invited to be the host in the the roaster and then usually in the past few presidencies. You know, the the president gets up and does comedy too. And that usually turns into a roast as well. But this year, you know, President Trump decided not to go the day of the White House correspondents dinner. He chose to do a rally in Pennsylvania. Yes. And so you were in the position of making jokes about a president who decided not to attend you say in your monologue at the White House correspondents dinner that you were told not to roast the president in epseta. Is that true? Yeah. Yeah. When I was announced Jeff Mason went on morning, Joe. And he said he was not looking for somebody who's going to roast the president and upset that's not fair. And that's not the message that we want to get across. That was his quote. So you know, I understand where he was coming from. But the irony to me was the the theme of the night was about honoring the first amendment and you want me to. Like censor myself that to me just I couldn't do it. I could I just couldn't find myself do it especially in in in given the fact that the person that I'm roasting. The president is someone who has so exploited that incredible privilege of free speech. The man who tweets whatever enters his head doesn't even want to honor the amendment that allows them to do it. That's just blows my mind. So let's hear how you handled it. And this is the section of the White House correspondents dinner. We are actually making some jokes about President Trump. You know, a lot of people told me Hassan if you go after their ministration, it would be petty unfair childish in other words presidential. So here we go. I get why Donald Trump didn't want to be roasted tonight by the looks of. He's been roasting nonstop for the past seventy years. Historically, the president usually performs at the correspondents dinner. But I think I speak for all of us when I say he's done far too much bombing this month. Now, a lot of people in the media say that Donald Trump goes golfing too, much doesn't always like he goes golfing too much, which raises a very important question. Why do you care? Do you wanna do? Do you want to know what he's not doing when he's golfing being president, let the man putt putt? Keep him distracted teach them how to play badminton telling me as a great body for bobsledding play 'em tic TAC toe. The longer you keep them distracted the longer. We're not at war with North Korea. And this is how Manashe at the White House correspondent dinner when you hear groans like we did after some of your jokes. Do take that as a good thing. After the fact, yes when you're in the room, hell, and that is. Off room. Oh my God. It's the toughest show I've ever done in my life. It's really really hard. You have been invited to their dinner. It's a dinner for journalists honoring journalists, and then you come in at the end in you, make fun of them. So it's very difficult. Also, you know, there's representatives on both sides of the aisle. So there's a lot of groans in places that you normally wouldn't get groans. I worked on the set in comedy clubs and people were cheering and wooing. That's not what I got when I got in that room. But the piece of advice that I got from Larry Wilmore, and a lot of the other performers that had performed before me was, hey, it's going to be one of the strangest rooms you've ever done keep your foot on the gas in do not apologize. And I figured if I can just get to my closing statement where I talked about what it feels like to be a minority. They would actually see I'm coming from a good place because the importance of great journalism is more important now more than ever in. If I can frame it. It through my cognitive framework of being a minority in American being like look. This is what it's like to be Brown America. And if you wanna survive, the age of Trump, you gotta think like a minority because that's the way journalists are being treated, you know, you got to be twice as good for half the credit when one of you messes up they blame the entire group. This is what I've dealt with. So here's my advice. You know? And I think that that became a unifying point I sound Menasheh. It's been really great to talk with you. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me, Terry. I appreciate it Hassan. Montage speaking to Terry gross last year, when he had just hosted the White House correspondents dinner a year later, he has a new weekly Sunday night series on Netflix called Patriot Act with Assan montage coming up. I'll review the new Amazon prime streaming series called homecoming starring Julia Roberts. This is fresh air. This message comes from NPR sponsor, Capital One capital. One wants to build a better Bank one that feels and acts nothing like a typical Bank. So they're reimagining banking. They offer a great safe. Savings rate and accounts with no fees or minimums that can be opened from anywhere in five minutes. That's banking reimagined Capital One. What's in your wallet capital? One in a. This week on asking other. We've got actor Michael c hall. I chat with him about all the odd jobs. He had for making it big and about his time being America's favorite serial killer on Dexter. Plus, he teases his new one man show. Tom pain based on nothing online NPR's. Our of puzzles were games and trivia. Today on Amazon prime video. The streaming service presents a ten part drama series. Starring Julia Roberts. It's called homecoming. It's a mystery thriller told in present and future timelines, it's directed by the creator of the cult TV show mister robot. And it's based on a scripted podcast. All of which to me is fascinating homecoming began two years ago as an audio drama a multi part podcast produced by Gimblett media and created by ally Horowitz and Michael Bloomberg. It was about a case worker named Heidi Bergman who was conducting a number of therapy sessions with Walter crews a soldier returning from Afghanistan for the podcast. Heidi was played by Catherine keener, and Walter by Oscar Isaac two very good actors who gave very strong performances today's April tenth two thousand seventeen nine zero three AM speaking with homecoming client, we'll do crew. Who's this Weakland session one? I'm hurting Bergman ID ten ten seven eight we're in my office at the facility. Okay. Walter Chris homecoming starts out like a military theme version of the HBO series in treatment, one patient, one therapist and a lot of back and forth, slowly revealing dialogue, but very quickly. It turns into something else. A conspiracy drama overdosed with suspicion and paranoia where almost nothing can be taken. For granted the therapy sessions take place in the present. But there's also a time line set a few years in the future. When a department of defense investigator is looking into Heidi's role at the homecoming medical facility and finding many more questions than answers. This is why Sam 's mail got interested in adapting this podcast for television. As the creator of mister robot, paranoia and shifting realities and untrustworthy narrators are his specialties. He's cast Julia Roberts in her. First major TV series lead as Heidi. And Stephan James. Is Heidi's patient Walter cruise s mail ups, the general sense of insecurity by using a music score with intentional echos of several skittish nervous movies from the seventies. Klute the parallel view, all the president's men and for TV s mail differentiates the two timelines the therapy sessions and the investigation by a very simple, but clever method they're presented in different screen ratios. The flashback sequences are shown in wide screen and the investigative sequences in which share Wiggham from HBO's. Boardwalk empire plays. The persistent government agent or shown in a centered easily differentiated square frame the agent finds Heidi years after her time at home coming working as a waitress in a Florida diner in very confused by his questions about her previous job duties there. I was a counselor. I told you wouldn't did a bowl. I worked soldiers their mental health. Honestly, I don't remember much about it. Okay. I was it wasn't a good fit. For me. Are we done? His berman. I'm something trying to get information about program. It's not my intention. Agitated agitated. Can you tell me if you clients were voluntary basis or? I don't know. You don't know. Give badge. You have some kind of identification. I have a business card other major contributors to the Amazon TV version of homecoming include Bobby Canavan early playing Heidi's boss at the mysterious company. Sissy SpaceX has her mom and Jeremy Ellen white from Showtime's shameless as schreier a member of Walter's company. Also undergoing therapy at the Florida facility at lunch with Walter schreier confides that he questions everything about this place called homecoming. Even that it's located in Florida Walter on the other hand believes what he's told. And what he sees? At least at first as palm trees in Florida. There's palm trees in Florida's palm trees in California and Cuban probably on the Philippines, right Lebanon. But wouldn't try saying nothing? I'm just. I'm just saying I don't pointing out that. The only reason we think are in Florida is because that's what they told us. Right. I mean, that's the only reason we have to believe that. We're not Florida. I don't know. That's my whole point. Why would they hide that from us more? They're not Honey, you're wrong, Florida because I'm usually. Because I feel like a situation potentially be. No. Because it never lied to us before. On TV ads in the podcast the mysteries and conspiracies escalate episode by episode most of the installments are thirty minutes or less, which is unusual for a drama. So homecoming moves at Chris pace, even when so many of its scenes are two people talking in the more Heidi's two worlds, collide, the better. Julia Roberts is at reflecting that confusion, I binged all ten episodes of Amazon's homecoming and was pulled in all the way, and I have to say, I enjoyed the artistic way s male who directs every episode adapts the audio podcast for a visual medium. It reminds me of the earliest days of television when people working in that brand new medium took existing radio dramas and comedies and either recast or redesigned them, while making them more visual in both cases. It starts with words on the page and depends on the people directing and starring in it homecoming delivers on all counts. On Monday show. We talk with religion scholar. Elaine Pagel's about her new book. 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Hard Factor 8/23: Florida Man Friday!
"Would it is joe man randy savage. This factor in there is no one that does it better now. Nobody it doesn't matter go ahead. Tell me something right down not a rate <music>. Uh huh <unk> factored friday ride a august twenty third top stories of the day. I'm gonna take us through a little discussion of hassan pikers stance on dan crenshaw. That sounds like a fun will will you guys hear about that see about that but after that florida friday but most of shelby fun right after that mark pat and wessel tickets on all florida man news buffet and get your sleeveless out. Get your sleeveless tease out. Get your get your get. Your tanks out west wasn't wearing a tank. Young vibrant should say middle aged fat but kind of not in text all right before we get going tonight. The soft corner shirt has now been made a collector's collector's item so to the few of us who bought them before it got pulled. I will buy you a beer forever onsite if i see you in that shirt but everybody else check out the new heart factor logo not we just put out and be on the lookout for a florida man t coming soon yeah. It's it's got mugshots inside. The state outlined skrela taylor. You're gonna love it unless you're from florida unless you're on the mugshots right now. Even i think if you're from forty love even more they got the long neck guy. He's my favorite multiple kind of all time again with like a sixteen inch and other related to someone on the shirt so if you live in florida that's a whole other thing. Let's let's do it in florida. You're not not legally allowed to be a homeowner if you don't own a gun. Those are just the cold hard facts that everyone knows what a lot of people don't know that you can be a homeowner with a naked gun. You're not allowed to own a swimming pool unless that gun holster so not to get too specific with this ad but all you pull this hormone dreamers. 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It all started when republican representative. Dan crenshaw went on the joe rogan experience podcast and i haven't listened to the episode oh yet but pat assures me that dan crenshaw is indeed a fascist all right under the bus under the bus voting record but yeah oh man this is the eye patch guy <hes> <hes> for those that don't don't know who he is. He hasn't name west yes but i'm telling you just simple ascoli ipad line their navy seal retired. I'm not gonna call him. A fascist suspend those words. We're put my mouth. I guess you'd patented an action save. He described a fascist and i- surmised that anyway piker exactly the same way because this is his breakdown of the crenshaw interview with joe rogan quote. What the fuck is this dude. What what what the fuck is wrong with this dude didn't he go to war and literally loses i because something mujuhedeen which mujahideen dean means a guy who's on a jihad by the way ni- rave fucking soldier fuck i hall with their deck and i not defense not defendable yeah. There's there's no explanation for the he's trying to make a point but he he fucked it up and he said some things that he really should not of said by any means. You got to respect people. I tried to make a point to my mom one time when she didn't tell me hey dude was on and i got out of the shower when i was seven and and i was mad and i flicked off. I didn't make the right point. Sometimes you differ a sheet. You did make the right point there because it was before tvos and you'd never knew when he sees what's gonna could be sometimes you may be stopped with the brave soldier mohajer jeans wherever the fuck time navy seal tour right heroes in the eye hole they actually lost there is so so defending break yeah. Let's break that apart down a piker. Ask those questions on tuesday on his twitch stream which i guess it'd been restored magically since last time he was on our show when the twitch stream was taken down hassan had also said that america brought nine eleven on ourselves and he believes that bassani heater believes all of this that he's justified in saying in all of this because he disagrees with american foreign policy in the middle east which has been to support terrorist groups win. It's been advantageous to us particularly leaning on the example of al qaeda so he believes it because he doesn't like american foreign policy that dan crenshaw had his. I fucked out by mujahedeen convene you can you can simply say house by america. You can simply say. You don't like the foreign policy. It sounds to me like he's trying to get some kind of lists. We can create like airport videos of being him. I'm being harassed attention but he did the wrong. We shouldn't have which is interesting mark. You know dan dan crenshaw a former navy seal as you said lost his i tune i e d while on active duty in afghanistan not to the reasons. No it wasn't a it wasn't a kidnapping i- cutting out i fucking it wasn't that it was because of all this. I thought it must have just been a mistake right so i started looking for an apology posted did by hassan but i didn't really find one instead. What i found was a sunset this on twitter on thursday night and he was referring he was responding to somebody mark. Who said that he was looking for retention is like you just said he said i immediately deleted the all the clips and shut the stream off. I knew it would get could get misconstrued construed think he keeps saying that. He took it down because he felt he knew what he said was wrong but he's not apologizing at all. He's also claiming that because he took it down. He's not looking for attention which doesn't make any sense. I also don't think you can misconstrue it now. I think he knows he can't misconstrued. He said no alternate explanations you could listen to it can get angry as what he meant to say right. That's about the only reaction uh so my only conclusion here is that assad piker as he reported to us when he came. I'm on the show to discuss the democratic debates. I think he does indeed suffer from having too much testosterone. Yeah we believe it now. It was a little weird that he said it but now we believe it. It was very strange. We asked him how he got his hair so great and his response was that he naturally generates too much testosterone and takes hair replacement assessment products on top of strategic. I think that's why he took the lead after listen back we're a little drunk or was the post show after a four hour debate. I think he's saying he you had to do it because he's stream so much so much to sasha and that he was losing hair so he takes multiple hair products but he did say that his body generates too much testosterone is t- is off the charts to give it to give a counterpoint here as a guy with great hair and low t. It is possible it is possible to have both but it's on told us pat that his team was just absolutely off off the charts and i think he's right. I think with high tea disease. I think he's a liar. You know i mean that's the only reason he would say something. Crazy like this anyways. Take it to the internet are are comment. Today is from facebook from mickey videri. Who says i'm still waiting for someone to release all of the videos of the plane striking the pentagon why it's good point you might wonder why is that our facebook comment for the story. Those are the only people siding with assad. Piker are the nine eleven troopers wondering he's been waiting for over fifteen years almost twenty. I was wondering where are the videos of the plane striking the pentagon. Yeah why automated released nikki's a hoarder. I would also like to say that. I'm absolutely on record taking back my offer to smoke weed with the sun on. I don't want to smoke weed with that guy. He beat no. You can't get close somebody with that high of a t no no no amount of weed would show that guy out. He's he's t is way too high. I mean t- it would just you'd get punched also pat. Perhaps not the smartest man on the internet. It's not on the internet like like ten times. I love. I love i love takes on stuff. This was a bad take real bad a little bit. I would say so. Let's move on k. So it's time for my favorite part out of the show and that's because we're going to talk a little bit gambling before we get into this you might wanna hit pause and whatever device you're listening to and go to predict it dot org slash promo slash lashed hard factor twenty to get a free twenty dollars for your first time deposit matched free bucks and then you can bet on political futures. It's the it's the best way to you bet on political futures and stuff in the news. It's fucking awesome. It's a blast you'd be crazy to listen to the show daily and not want to do this in real quick mom. I know you're listening. You can't pause your device vice so don't don't listen mark. We'll do it on a show is wouldn't parallels on alexa but just keep listening right down everyone what else but my mom listened to that go to predict dot org slash promo slash heart factor twenty whenever you can keep listening i personally lay down a cool honda onto brackets for the weekly donald trump tweets and actually went with the middle middle to brackets against my own advice because he's slowed down. He slowed way down in waiting on the smallest bands but i think you know i know him. He's going to speed it back up so i'm gonna nail it with those middle bands but i'm not here to talk about that today. Today my best better. The week is the bet on our favorite toy train conductor former presidential candidate john hickenlooper to win the colorado senate seat. He has now announced. He's running so get on that. The democrats have minority in the senate. It's like fifty three forty seven and they're going after senate. Seats like west goes after alcoholics ulcers aggressively yeah after the beer is through. Yeah can't get the beer yeah then he goes to the seltzer. There's there's backup you ever seen west shocking a truly incredible speaking speaking of somebody who can't turn down like an election like a truly beta a rourke work. I would bet heavily on him eventually running for senate well yes. This is a theme anyone that's dropping out of the democratic presidential thing running for senate those being the betas tornadoes <hes> market price on that went down because he's been claiming that he's not gonna run if he if he drops out of the race but he cannot turn down. Oh yeah no he. I'm sure he's just gonna boys out there. That guy's doesn't love attention anyways like i was saying <hes> the reason the democrats think that this is a lock is because the incumbent republican cory gardner in colorado is very vulnerable they think so. They're going to be pumping a lot of money. Taken loopers campaign the dams are looking for some brand new air force style jackets and encompass the look for those coming to your television screens and ads for hickenlooper in the near future and put money on the democrats winning. The colorado senate seat on predicted dot org slash promo factor twenty. If you wanna make some money years why this money then whatever the first state to legalize marijuana. You better believe that they're going to have chicken was like the number one guy. You have one one. If there's one chance to make a lock it's this right now. Bet hickenlooper to win. The senate announced like seventy percent seventy something cents for the democratic down a lot of getting the voting base awake but on on election. Let's get to florida man friday yeah plus. I've got faffing story out of tho- natasa florida lord of leadoff florida friday the name natasa comes from the seminole creek words renato which means flints and saz of which means some so everyone knew back in the day this now small florida town had some but not a ton of valuable flint. I loved it. I was so informative mark. How how did you what is that. Where did that come. I have my sources wikipedia a pedia okay <hes> so what's going on in thrown into sausage. These days you ask what's going on is awesome flint. Thank you pat well. One thing's for sure there's a three hundred pound plus man who keep sneaking into a construction site and masturbating in the middle of the night <hes> the man who has been hot on. I'm sorry i should've paused right well. What do you expect them to masturbate. During the middle there you're right. I sort of the man who has been caught on camera. Several times believed to be between twenty nine and thirty five years old and to die soon by the looks of them snuck tuck into hillsborough county construction site about twenty miles north of tampa at least three times in the last six weeks removed all of his clothing masturbated to completion presumably finishing on a ve investigating the case. It's just doctors wondering how ready yeah. How does he get his hand to. His dick is the question. I love how he gets completely naked to he doesn't he doesn't he doesn't believe his shirt on what on peace he goes all the way. How do you masturbate this. Is this close close this is this is his sacred ground. Yeah this guy clearly. There's a special place to him. Maybe he loves construction. I'm hot. I'm surprised headphones on his favorite song on every other time you masturbate so does construction. I wish does cameras also trucks so he does seem to be <hes> knowing. There's a camera. Police have no idea who the man is or how he even got into the construction site is they have not been able to see like his entry point or any sort of vehicle near the site to him because he's taking a bus. He doesn't own a fucking car. Are this guy's taking a bus to beat at this construction. It's like breathing heavily on the bus. My theory pat or are you going. My pup playlist is like when he's on the bus. I don't think bill collins captain. I work on so my theory is this right. They're hunting lease watching porn on his phone on the ball pausing it might there is this guy is just an obese cereal masturbating ghost ghost that is somehow caught on whatever security cameras they have at this construction site and i'm pretty sure if ghosts exist that they would masturbate public about ninety percent of their existence so i think cut-backs the theory up <hes> you have to see this to believe him though we'll put a picture of the blog <hes> so don't worry about that but it's a waste of masturbate. It's a waste of pictures great. Our guys have seventy four year old gary van reiswig of seabourn florida. He got a little bit over his head on sunday night. When the home castration surgery he was performing on another man. Just didn't go as planned say what you heard me deputy those usually those high probability to be fucked up yeah. It's possible law. That's there you know well. Let's get into boys yeah. Deputies arrived gary's home just before midnight in response to a nine hundred one hangup call which makes total sense because the situation russian wasn't really something you could explain easily over the phone just get here. Just drilling needs to be here upon arrival. Gary got right to the point telling police that he just removed moved. Another man's testicles and things were getting sideways pretty quick the whole where the patients balls once were would just wouldn't stop bleeding. He's like he's like hang on move out of the shelf of an iron up his whole cadre carter is don't you think he knows that authorities pushed inside into the guest room where they found a fifty three year old man who had had freshly become a eunuch and was covering his groin with a bloody towel. Oh jesus the man was flown to the hospital title right under quote life saving measures according to gary. Why did this happen well. The two men met on a website for those who have a fetish for castration <hes> uh on the dark web yeah. There's this website devoted to that yeah and the dark where l. a. You it was a eunuch lover stock com guys i googled it and then i promptly cancelled absolutely internet subscription ongoing renew it. Tomorrow couldn't couldn't site. It's impressive. He made it to fifty three these kind of decisions. You've got most of the other ten people on the site thought it was like a dark joke and this story comes on like. Maybe we should leave this site. The operation began around ten o'clock doc in a bedroom at gary had converted into a makeshift surgical room and ended at ten to know it went for two hours. Yeah things went way wrong. When the patients patients uncontrollable bleeding made it challenging gary to close the sack wound now before you guys go on at somebody's nut sack for two hours he was hammered. The blood was thin. Well it was a two second operation and it was two hours of garin patient around the room being like stap leading stop bleeding right well. Obviously it was the guy who got his testicles removes first time because he had his testicles removed that he didn't want but i imagine gary's first time as well. You'd think that marta when it went down but before you go judging gary. I think it's important to know that this was not his first snipping. Gary wouldn't just go around promising to be a castration expert if he hadn't tried the procedure on himself first right yeah. He cut his own balls off lasting twenty twelve. He cut his own balls off. He confessed to authorities that he took his own set in twenty honey twelve but he also added that his ball borrow movies when i did it as kind of a toss up because he also admitted that he'd done a similar procedure on a man in a local motel a few years ago and it also did not and well that guy was dead. Yeah the man died. I was walking nightmare man. He's a major lazer. The cops found him. I think this guy's got both as balls. He's a liar. He's got both this guy's. Luckily we're living in a review based economy these days and i'm assuming that gary won't beginning of five star review on the castration surgery website that he found this man on so the things should work themselves out man. Wow all right moving on fallen out yeah. It's going to be tough so when you ask girlfriend to come visit you work and she shows up in a cadillac the you've never seen the common thing might be say hey honey. That's a nice car. I've never seen you before. Who are you fucking behind my back. I thought that might be not. She won the lottery. Britain's far less is always thinking well. That's an older car you fucking yeah. Where's that coming from. There's only like to in touch with you for an hour who you fucking. I just bought a new car and west of that habit when i came back fuck but that's not what there's not. There's no other excuse not a rental one hundred but that's not what that's not what twenty year old hunter rental <hes> so don't know hunter who likely is not not known for asking questions i and taking action second <hes> did the opposite upon seeing his girlfriend roll up to his work in crestview florida in the strange caddy <hes> where he had asked her to come to you have a friendly conversation likely about who she was fucking behind his back he snapped and immediately knew she was fucking a guy who owned that county <hes> he's he's sherlock holmes. You haven't hunter configuring. He used it all by himself so he upon figuring that out he climbed into a front loading tractor front loader one of those big scoop scoop guys hold on hold woah. He had that fucking on standby he apps. He called her over a conversation. He thought he had the front loader on standby gassed up. He's been talking about this brian. I'm gonna get her decided you cheated. He's like and that's why. I called you out to this field my truck. She's a caddy the guy brian who she rose up in that patty better if that front loader ready he's like before we had this conversation. Can you get back in the car and then go down the windows yeah. I can't hear you so upon figuring that out. He climbed to the front loader scooped up of buckets or maybe it was just already ready goes pat said and i presume <hes> his now ex girlfriend girlfriend was inside actually who were kidding. She probably bail them out. Just hours later we're talking about. This is sorta florida friday right yeah so <hes> you know he filled the car with dirt probably messed up the catholic. It didn't look loads of dirt on the caddy inside the car. He's chargers criminal mischief and she knows he really does care. I hope your new boyfriend has collision and and they're definitely still toge- still to get the next florida. Tell lor comes straight out of lake worth beach florida which is palm beach county florida a place that needs no frivolous facts. Oh come on mark. I i don't i just didn't do that. I just didn't have the time. I understood michael. Persky thirty seven year old man who lives in lake worth beach opened his apartment door one morning in late july and a wild king. Could you sorry as i said could you can get your ran in and bit him in his leg scratched him so the kanka jewish endurable in a little animal that i knew nothing about and had to look up but apparently it's a small tree dwelling willing mammal native to central and south america because it is a tropical rainforest animal that also goes by the name of honeybear and if we've learned anything it's that animals with honey as the prefix will fuck fuck you up because they don't give a fuck about anything they do whatever they want this very true a woman who witnessed the incident at the lake worth beach florida apartment said it sounded like a three hundred pound man. Dan was tackling him in his kitchen. The furry lamela sharp claws clung to michael's leg as he fought to get it out and he managed to them eventually like trap it in the bathroom. Let me just like shoot it off his get out of here and he locked the bathroom. So <hes> sheriff deputies came to help remove the cancun with turkey's girlfriend jillian hick said it would make some noise and we heard it sheriff's when kind open the door a little bit to see what was what it was doing. That's rude and it was up on the shower. Curtain stand that saint something we heard the toilet it open and shut a few times when the door was shut so it's like it's like going through the cabinets to get out of the wild animals looking for they were able to exactly they were able to catch the can't get you when the deputies were joined by officers with the florida fish and wildlife conservation commission an animal control personnel and then the animals taken to lake an adam facility where they still don't know like where the animal came from. It's just like shawna's facility. My guess is checked the house or whoever o._d. Recently in the town and you're gonna find a few more cashews. Probably the time illegal fibia rainforest mammals yeah michael's not totally innocent though in the story and his girlfriend is neither either as he and his girlfriend found the kinky ju the day before and thought it was cute and fed at watermelon overnight so the next day when they open the door and there was no more watermelon what the fuck do did. They think that's on them all right guys. You know what makes florida great. It's the little differences for example in florida finders. Yes keepers is the most respected cultural law in the land. That's just a fact people in florida respect finders keepers more than they do any of the ten commandments it goes the second amendment finders keepers ten commandments first amendment. It's all my properties guys. Unfortunately one man had to learn the common law the hard way a last month when he went for a jog run his neighbor in oakland park florida <hes> the man jogged by a trash pile on the street in front of a vacant home and thought check it out see if there's anything good in their quick side note dumpster diving makes thirty percent of florida's economy so and like eighty percent of mount trashmore one hundred percent hundred percent economy jogger must be new to the state state because he was playing with some serious fire there was already another man looking at the pile when he arrived and by flirting common-law f- effectively had dibs on all the riches in the pile look not only guy new to the state of florida. He's new to the game of life. If you see somebody rummaging through trash pyatt fucking fucking walk over there. It's very wide birth. Yeah i agree with you but i think that the trash pile finder's keeper rule is kind of like playing pool at a pool hall where way down quarters for next game. I think it's like whoever lays down the a._a. Chip i exactly like oh you got the oldest. The three-month chipita beats six six month trip. Whoever's like relapse. I know one in florida's ever gotten as more points the gun at your face. It took a liking to a black heavy dump cart and decided to take it and naturally the man who was there. I was confused and then upset because he clearly had first rights to pile the men exchange words but the giro wouldn't back down and he started heading home with that cart but when the jagger got back to his house he realized is that the man had followed him home. He went on a detour on his job and just wanted wanted some trash well his his as he was running out the door as you do when you're dragging in florida's is like bring me some back. Uh-huh jogger was not totally blameless in this. Oh don't know who he was. But what do you got back to his house. He noticed that the man had followed him home and was closing in on him. Well gripping what he thought was a red stick but as the man got closer he unleashed a katana sword. I'll just a bloody knife exactly sort ah fucking forefoot sword and begin swing at the man while attempting to wrestle away the car. Don't see why you'd be surprised. You met this man rummaging through the trash. He's he's. He's got a four foot sheath. I'm sure i'm sure i do have to say <hes> the the man with the sword was he swung really recklessly at the jogger but then carefully when the sort almost hit the dump cart so nice. That's that's like this. That doesn't the tale of like whose mom who is the mom and then the let's tear the baby in half half and she's like no you keep him when he was getting close to the cart as you can tell the homeless narcos raising a nondenominational church as he got closer no churches here the man back down when he realized that he he was he was being videotaped and he relented and this must have been very high quality card as i alluded to earlier because the geogra- left opted in his front yard and shortly thereafter on video a woman rose up grabs the cart and starts going away hot item. Yeah investigators say they believe that the sword man knows the woman who took the cart so there's a good chance that she's no longer in possession of the cart or her head. Yes she's so dead. Why do you think the sheath is ready to camouflage. Flash the blood on the sword. I just love clear she question. I did see the video. He tried to kill him. When he swung near the card he pulled back. He's doing damage that cart four. Let's rock them out all right <hes> so the pool and barbecue in your couples luxury florida home in the abyss gulf community was completely destroyed by vandals who are shitting and puking everywhere having themselves quite the party not as price yeah i know the invaders run of the mill florida methods bath salt enthusiasts. They were in fact <hes> <hes> volkers who had broken through to are you talking about the bird birds big br- big ugly bird yes yes so they had broken through the screening closures to the pool will and we're just running a month the casa manos whose home cost them seven hundred thousand dollars at the smell. The voltage 'cause was like that of one thousand rotting corpses which if you're in florida you. Can you know that smell well. We'll also in florida and you have one hundred thousand dollar house. Where does that infinity square feet yeah. I know it's a lot to mansion in ebay. I don't know where that is seven hundred thousand dollar house in floor where they own the town so in the few times they did visit the home they had the park inside the garage to escape being attacked by these vultures so there's no chance of hell. They were selling us house which i'm sure they wanted to <hes> their neighbor says she had it even worse because she lives next to some psycho who is feeding these disgusting birds dog food and raw chicken <hes> so that neighbor yeah yeah. There's there's the evil witch the screening the problem you need to take her out bolger's trading the whole problem so that neighbor kind of a fucking in person raises an army of cultures probably someone that's jealous of the biggest house in the neighborhood tenfold to wiccan because in florida florida's like golden corral ralph voters with all the retirees out there. It's like it's like they're mecca but she's feeding them. She's creating a votre. Vacant house doesn't take much to create like a swarm of vultures cultures. You just got to feed them. Once or twice in my son's school is at dumpsters volkers are everywhere definitely some left alone. Cats have been eaten by the vultures to right yeah yeah right this lady out of the fucking neighborhood so complicated yeah we'll share cats paints a pretty slow civic picture. She says imagine and twenty volt trapped biting each other and they can buy through bones they would bang against my windows running away from his bird. That was attacking them. Blood was everywhere. It was vile vicious traumatic event event and to make matters worse. It was memorial day so no company on called would come out to help me. Can you imagine yeah yeah. The police aren't on the call on memorial day. They all just take the day off. Yeah well sure sure sheryl sheryl cats. Just stay inside. You had to feed them delicious protein. Well it being florida. Some people had some suggestions to how to get rid of voters of course fireworks were brought up and one person suggest rocket stuffing one of the vultures. There's just shoot them inside your house. It'll it'll traffic noise the vulture or or one one guy suggested stuffing one of the vultures in hanging upside down like a coyote on a ranch. It's local comments yeah so obviously we'll. We'll set it right. The the lady. Here is the problem meaning the vultures. Let's get her out of town. Yeah <hes> my last is also wildlife related florida story but it's not as slight heart is my kika ju ju taylor. I'm afraid an eight year old palm bay man was arrested for animal cruelty after police say he trapped raccoon and burned it alive because because the raccoon at eton the grumpy old man's mangoes. Can this relocated <hes> yeah no you don't eat this. Guy's magazines was a human he would have burned urs. Jamesy goes very serious. Does james is losing his mind. The eighty eight year old man told the mango just growing trees. He's loved too long. Fucking raccoons mangoes take the old man told the local news that he threw gasoline on the raccoon after trapped in just toss it in james said he was afraid the raccoon might have rabies so that's i guess he's going to burn the rabies out of her and him off a neighbor called nine. One one is the raccoon was burning alive and a metal trap probably because of the screening raccoon coon noises and maybe the smell police officers shot the raccoon is it suffering and probably just went home was like jesus christ crispy raccoons because this next door is perhaps the most oh scary store the united states has ever seen that of course in until or since the invention of the atomic bomb nailed it nailed it alligators widely known as america's eric is apex predator for thousands of years humans have been hanging on by a thread as the only living species above the crocodilian reptile on the food chain and unfortunately for us. That's all about to change because last week photographs of evolution happening in real time were captured or at the naval air station jacksonville florida when christina stewart were observed an alligator scaling a chain link fence yeah no. That's why we've never really been above them on the food i mean i guess we do eat them but like back there a reminder to us that we will die long before they will just leave us alone that video scary it it. It was a big alya and it scaled a big fence very quickly and the things that have been around like millions of years. You know what this means guys in ones that alligators have somehow evolved to overcome the dexterity issues caused by their comically short arms. They've been made fun of enough yeah and now these razor toothed dinosaurs can't be held by vertical barriers and there's not much that can stop them from eliminating the human race. I just hope that this the fact that this took place on a military base will play into our favor and the missing link and be killed before he can show other gators what they're capable of. If you have children i recommend you lock them. Invite proof cages immediately for now now. All we can do is arm ourselves. Pray the rest of the gator population never learns what they're capable of in two thousand twenty five a large portion of florida's going to be under water and completely ran by alligators and i can tell you we're not going to be doing florida stories taunting the alligator no way we're gonna keep aren't gonna wait till we kill ourselves with nuclear weapons and then and then they'll just be cool because they're going around forever. Their dominion will be florida all right last story. A florida man was arrested for possessing five ecstasy pills in the shape of president. Donald donald trump's face makes sense of course the pills were also orange in color as another amish to the president so fitting imagine there was only five left because they were selling like hotcakes down there in in florida because then because the person possession was taking them as well probably he's not not very responsible drug dealers so the twenty year old man <hes> brenden dillon or dolan king king had the pills hidden inside an air vent inside the home relived and when police responded to an overdose at the house they discovered the pills shit yeah so they went to the first place like check the about <hes>. It's florida check guys shaking room so police also found us surgical room so please also found a tan powder in the air vents later tested to be fennel fucking call it <hes> so they probably that probably explains the o._d. Call he keeps them in the urban to evenly distribute it through through the vent. The vent is turned on the fan and die a come over i will you got an effect on the vents yet. Air vents all idiots idiots. You think they're being creative with their hiding spaces. You've run in vietnam right now. Someone someone's about the fan just shoots it with the shirts thermostat. Don't do it gotten down so the pills were labeled. Trump l. and we're in fact m._d._a. So kudos to king for not selling some weeks shit but take away that kudos for killing people with his <hes> fence and all vessels yeah no word on whether he has representation at this time i imagine florida is probably the worst place in the world to be a public defender the best place the fucking best deal with all these fucking people imagine a land where the bar said solo that does not matter one thousand calls from dolan king wasiyu just lazy and doesn't like to work. It's great for people that have ambition. It's like a salmon farm for a fisherman west. 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Ahmad Ahmed Hassan, HGTV Yard Crashers Host and Friend
"Reeves said about reading cinemas. Semblance set a bus bombings. Houses have a special guest today. Guys look who it is. You can even see him. We're on youtube too but this is weans. How do you pronounce it? We were just talking about this. My wonderful dear. Love these person in the world my good friend forever on Big Julianne. I came up loving me forever. Yes you've been a whilst. Yeah thank you sweet. So tell us why you are here today. I mean besides being the love of Julian's life in a way of course. Okay wait can I just yes we might. WanNa back all this up and Redo it. Because you're lovely lady might be like. Are you sure I informed her? How could I not tell her about Julianne? Who was the love of my life since I was seventeen years old but we figured out how to turn that into just a great friendship already explained. Okay Okay I didn't even know this mature relationships. You gotta just tell them from the beginning. That's what I was telling my sinister yesterday. We were on the phone after talking to you. And how wonderful you are. You're very mature in the way that you handle relationships with your kids like what happened yesterday. Can you talk about that coming in? And how you handle for can we just do a quick intro to because I want people to know who this guy is that they might recognize his voice? His face format is that. Is that what we cut? Yeah so. My Name is Ahmed Hassan. That's how I pronounce it. I'm best known as the original host and Co creator of Yard crashers on hgtv and DIY. Network yea I never get away from that title but really just a professional landscaper. Who happened to develop a television show for H. G. DIY NETWORK AND Other net I`Ma landscape professional and I'm a dad and I'm forty six years old and Which called a light skinned black man lives in America? Who's not Arabic but has an Arabic name and it's a long story involves a lot of people and yeah they're going to get into that today and nick and he's sitting still sitting outside and his beautiful backyard. There's a gorgeous tree of course and Oh Joel. This is the front yard. Oh this is this is the front so I have a little court that I live in and then my house is a nursery that look at that plants everywhere because I sell plants of course for a living so that I can pay for this property yet. I call home and vehicle yard. Yeah is blasted with Rising Sun this morning I was taking a hot bath this morning drinking coffee. Where do you live exactly? I live in Cameron Park California which is a thirty minutes east of Sacramento so I live in the Sierra foothills or the beginning of the foothills below plaster. Bill ABOVE SACRAMENTO. I've been it is a beautiful rolling held. It's gorgeous clean. Air Clean Fresh Water and you only get snow. Maybe every five years two weeks of snow on the ground. And what made you choose there? Because you're a very guy you've always am a bay area guy and I still run back and forth to bay area very regularly. Amorim Park was last place. I can afford to have a house on the hill with a view and you grabbed it. Yeah you couldn't afford it. Probably growing up primarily in the East Bay. I always loved the Oakland Hills and the Berkeley hills and I just loved that picturesque view on top of the hill looking out at the bay and when I finally got to the age of Rye could buy a home. I realize I'm of age but I have no money to buy a home here in the bay area and so my first house was in hayward did not have a view. You live in giant intersection. And then my second house was in Antioch so I was playing that wagons east game. How everyone in the bay area does you. Just move a little east and you work west. And then we were shooting yard crashers primarily in and around Sacramento so I moved to Sacramento. And once you get out that far you're never going back to the bay so then when I was ready to buy an ardent park I realized I couldn't Afford Arden Park so I moved to the more affordable Cameron Park right here. He is happy because now if I leave I couldn't afford to move back into my own home right this issue especially right now. Yeah so with the urine credit. How what was your progression of? How did you decide to be a landscaper yard? Crashers find you in. How did you create? I don't even think I decided to be a landscaper. I think landscaping is something that A mess second generation landscaper. So my dad was a landscaper Got His start in San Quentin penitentiary. Their landscaping program. became a Muslim while he was in there got out and ran a landscaping business. So I I grew up around. My father was a landscaper and in who evolved into earth moving equipment and construction and so I grew up thinking you know sort of the old adage of you do what your dad did. If you like what your dad did and I thought with my dad did was fabulous working with earth equipment and creating spaces outside so my job was to outdo that meaning to talk about what he did to get into prison. Because I know that that'll be a question. Everyone's thinking just human nature. So were you. Joel Still Kinda you know how. Many people he killed notice by. It wasn't no my dad. grew up. My Dad was born in forty three so he grew up in a very different time. Especially with black folks in America and in the sixties fifties and sixties. He was running around the in a bad ass and I think the straw that broke the camel's back was he had strong arm robbery for the Midland Tire Company in Oakland and I think there were guns drawn and police cars around and ultimately he ended up in prison because he had already had this crazy rap sheets from being a youth growing up in San Francisco. Getting into trouble and my dad got sentenced at a time back in the day what they used to do as they would always give you so many years to life. How but even if you only got like two years it was like two years to life was five years to life so he got sentenced. Five years to life served six years got out. Never went back to prison was a devout Muslim in to the nation of Islam. Which is why have a Muslim name and cover? That imprison yet raised with that like a lot. Like a lot of black men discovered the nation of Islam in prison especially around the Sixties Panther. And absolutely it was the whole black power movement it was for those black folks that got tired of being obliterated and slapped in the face down with water hoses in street and all that stuff so yeah it was sort of a a revolt and my dad was a proud black man and so I grew up around which is why a lot of energy I have. It was what I saw. I just decided I wasn't going to go into the nation of Islam. I already have an Arabic name and I'm a black man there it is and you've never been a righteous preacher of anything you've just been all about love in. Yeah you wanted to. I grew up seeing a lot of that from different perspectives whether it was the nation of Islam or Christianity and then found out about Buddhism and religious science science of mind and so I kind of appreciate all walks of life and all spiritual aspects of your mom. Your mom is pretty born again right or I'm sorry. What did she choose? She's Christian right now but my mom has. She was sort of the searcher in the speaker of all religions She did what you did on a much larger level like my mom's had fourteen different name combinations to whatever faith she was in and or whatever marriage she was in but she's Christian and I don't really claim any religion except religious science and I respect all of them like what works for you. Great Work that and you've always been like that. Can I tell you? Ever since I've known you from a little we tw- INC fourteen year old or however. When did we meet each other? I think I'm forty six. You're what forty four forty five forty. You Okay so you were fourteen. Sixteen each other quite some time ago. Okay and what did you think about but you say? I don't think I knew I didn't know how you know. What's the story? All right so your sister was hit and I was a pothead. And we were both teenagers. I was almost my coffee four twenty. Yesterday I really wasn't. She wasn't really. I was a pocket guide and she was a little kind of a little hippy. Chick just into hanging out with folks and having fun and I was into doing the same thing but I always had a joint mouth and Yeah it was like sixteen years old and I worked in Walnut Creek and laundry. What was it called? It was it was the it wasn't no it was It wasn't our Danes Putin's bakery. Yeah they had sour dough balls and it was a part of nordstroms. Mom WANNA CREEK. The folks down there that I worked with new Julianne and so I met this. Tall Amazonian Brunette. Of course she was fourteen at the time but she was taller than me still and and I don't know I was like she's great. She had great energy and we would hang out and yeah. I think I was like sixteen at the time so then what happened was within a month maybe of meeting. Your sister might have been a week. I don't know I got busted for selling weed. And the feds came in it wasn't it was like Walnut Creek. Who came in like six cops came and arrested me in Bodine. Maybe uncle we have and I was like extremely paranoid because I was like. What the hell they treated me like. I was some big time drug dealer because I used to sell grams of Brown. We'd like you can't give away Brown. We'd today you should be arrested if you're selling. Brown and Dirt read they came. They came in arrested. Me and I got an all this trouble. It was the first time I'd ever gotten in trouble. I got a felony on my record to this day for selling marijuana and my claim to fame was that I could sell an ounce in grams on a daily basis because I knew that many people I would just I was always very social so immediately I was like Julianne is a cop out. That's what it is. She's a because I met her and all of a sudden I'm in trouble. She's an informant for rolled informant. Now on the record means. Is this true. Are you a NARC in fact? Oh okay sorry keep. Here's what was hilarious. I liked her but I was like. I don't trust her. She's a cop but I've met her. Mum That's what marijuana will do to you. The extremely what the hell finally realized I was paranoid and we were friends and thirty something years later. We're still friends and I still think you're the best person you've always had the most integrity. You're my favorite person. I just love you and you go like this true narcotics officer and I'd like to tell you that you're going back to prison okay. Everybody get in get. Oh okay. So let's go back to the yard. Crashers okay so you were. You're at the point. Where where were we that you decided because your dad was in landscaping that you follow to? Oh so so. It's Kinda interesting so when I got in trouble for selling pot I was in high school and I was like in the eleventh grade and I realized. Oh yeah man you're doing swell. Let's see you're a black man who lives in America who now has a felony and you're not graduating high school good job so I was like. What am I going to do with my life because I grew up in a family? That didn't have anybody who was going to college. didn't even have high school graduates for the most part and I was like. Yeah you're screwed. You better figure out something maybe work for yourself. Well what are you? GonNa do working for yourself and I thought well. What do I know how to do not to do yard work? I know a little bit about painting the last woman. I painted her house yet. She kinda complained a lot. Because I do certain details right. Yeah I think I'll be a landscape and literally like that was my idea since I was like seventeen years old. And what it was is landscaping and gardening was my hustle. Hello it's still my husband. I just I just had to Up My game a little bit which means I need to take classes. I had to get a higher education in horticulture. Which is what I did and I've literally spun my hobby my livelihood my hustle into a career so now I am a licensed landscape contractor. Look at his shirt. You even have your official shirt. What does it say? Do I wore my shirt because I'm plugging myself to do it. We'll see a med Hassan landscape. I can't read it amid Hassan servicemen's landscaping services landscape. Eight eight H. L. S. Good. I'm Matt has on Landscape Services Landscape Services. If you look me a phone line and you spell my name H. M. A. D. which is the correct spelling or you spell it the way we spilled it on. Tv H. E. D. And you put the word landscape behind it. You'll find. Yeah Yeah just like the very handsome handsome man with currently with a beard. Sometimes he doesn't have a beard. I did some research I looked up your pictures. The beard is now staying so a lot of my shows on on. Hdtv wasn't fond of facial. Hair out very faint scruff. You can have that and you notice. That's where most of my white hairs I liked. It makes you verify interest these days. I pretty much sport a beard unless I get really bored and I shaved it all off and Mr Bud vase for a while. So how did you go from being your you know educating yourself on horticulture to TV show the hosting TV show I am in love with landscaping and horticulture and talk a lot. Remember how I said I used to be able to sell an ounce of our day in bags. You can only do that. If you're very social yes so fun and you have the energy that everybody thought you're hilarious and still do so that you have to be around that and then you could host your own. Tv show so I was taking classes with a gal and she was a designer and she started moonlighting and doing little design work for curb appeal and for she'll call landscape smart and landscapes. Smart was where I get my start so You had to the premise of the show was you had to come up with some wonderful landscaping ideas. They had to be smart. They had to be clever and I thought that was the greatest thing ever so I would come up with clever ideas and producers. Were like we love it. You should shows and I'm like I don't know what you're talking about. All your hosts are white guys who were tight jeans and makeup that tight jeans and makeup agreed that was what am I gonNA wear tight jeans? That was one of my questions. Did you ever have a casting couch actually. We asked some of our listeners for questions and I think who asked that one yet. The girls We'll do a nice little plug for our friends at the NERDY bitches. Podcast they are pretty bitches. Yeah they're they're two girls and they talk about anything and everything games movies. They're really cute and They're getting lots of followers and buzz. So they're great but they they wanted to know yeah. Did you ever have any casting couch moments or metoo moments and wire landscapers? So hot at this was the general line of questioning wireless because we work you know. It's funny because I have a decent physique for forty six year old man and I don't go to the gym but I moved boulders regularly I wheeled wheelbarrows regularly I shovel in pick regularly and I do it with proper body mechanics. Yoga classes for a few years and I learned all the proper body mechanics and breathing techniques and I like to feel it so I have never seen you setting by the way from long but I knew we were doing some jumping. Jacks if you want. I mean we're we're going to do to warm up is I have recycled water tanks at my house and I just barely have a little bit more water left from the rain season and I fill them up with cans and I'm running around my house. My Yard watering plants. Because I'm GONNA leave tonight and go stay with my lovely sweetheart in Hercules California April. Great thing I got a water all my plants because I'll be gone for like thirty hours or so. This is a thing for those of us who plants in gardens and I got weans running on a drip system for her backyard so that she could go on vacation and enjoy herself without worrying about plants. Because it's a real thing it's scary gift for you and you don't even have drip irrigation for my nursery. I literally have to pay either my fifteen year old or the fifteen year old kid down the street and I pay them like twelve dollars an hour to stand around with a water hose. Wow and I told him I was like you cannot stand on your with the water. Hose in your phone because you'll be wasting my water. Trust me I know because I can't do it either. It's a resource and you're super green. You're all about this Green landscaping and and live in Green. Is I can be without being a purist but I. I'm kind of a freak at home. Like April puts up with a very interesting man that she gets to call her lover. Because I'm weird like here's here's my latest weird thing and I'll just share with you guys and then I'm not gonNa tell you everything but so I finally restarted my heart too. I have a wooden hot tub in my backyard and it's been down and out for like five months and it was the cold season so I was like nobody wants to be out there anyways and I didn't have time to fix a hot tub because if you have a wooden ought to have a snorkel tub you have to drain it. You have to dry completely out which means you have to carpet in the wet season or good luck with that so funny when it got warm. I had it all dried out. You open it up. You have to loosen up the hoops on it with a Mallet. If to tighten up all the hoops if to fill it with water and then you have to hope like hell that it's swells up and it makes it self waterproof all over again so. I filled it up two days ago and then yesterday I ran the hose at like less than a quarter percent running constantly in it because I could still see it and hear the leaks coming out of it so I'm sort of putting water into it and water is dripping out of it and I'm wasting water and I recycle as much as I can and it was killing me the wastewater so for the last two days. I've been bathing in my hot tub. I keep calling the house and then turned on the shower. I'm like wasting water out here. It's at one hundred and two degrees. Just dip into the hot TUB Kevin. I'm running chlorinated water from my hose into the air. I'm so in chlorine tabs in here and so I'm bathing in the hot tub but this morning because I knew I was doing zoom call I shaved and then I jumped into the actual shower. And Wow thank you guys thank you we get smell you from your we rake like that. I come post like crazy I catch all my gray water. I'd dump it onto my compost pile. I recycle wherever I can whenever I can and I have about a thousand gallons of water than I'm able to recycle from rainwater up here and then I have to cart it by hand. Run hoses downhill environmentalists. That's awesome yet. Can I bring you guys back to what we were because I had my brain on a trajectory? Yes yes Dr Ahmed. When we were discussing how does how do you get to the point where you're at landscaper? And then you get on television. What happened? Someone came up. They said you've got the political class in TV producers. Come over there okay. I'll tell so I'm taking all these classes in horticulture always at night because I'm always working during the daytime like literally learning information at night. The next damn regurgitating information to my clients and my clients like wow. He's a wizard on my yup. And here's my bill. So I'm I I'm working with and I'm taking classes I mean with with installers with different folks who do different things all landscaping horticulture. And one of my designer. Gal Friends was She was moonlighting for. Hdtv shows and she was getting paid as the designer and she told me she's like you know they're always looking for good looking young people who have great ideas. I'm a good looking young person and I think I have great ideas and so I got the number of the production company and I pitched them an idea to. Redo this fabulous landscape that happened to be in my backyard with me and my wife and my first home and They're like well. You know you can't really do that your own house but could you your wife be like the homeowner. I'm like sure I don't know who that attractive white woman is more and so my first show was. We pitched it and my wife at the time. Tiffany who duly Enos Tiffany was the homeowner. I was the contractor and I faked the whole thing like Hollywood sakes it meaning. I really led the landscape and I directed the landscape. But I had to look like I was a builder so I just put on my buddies nail bags. I made him. Who was the actual builder? Looked like he was my labor and we all just faked it for television and it worked. That never happened and then the rest of my television career was similar to that. In the sense that it's not faking. It completely faking it. It's like faking. It like improvising. A little bit more so you have to pretend like you're doing a little bit more and you know a little bit more than you actually do until you actually arrive there and you know it because you learned it during that project right. And that's a lot of was totally out so I was watching the format of Yard crashers so you Kinda go and scope out people at home improvement stores places like that or did people come to you. Or what was the? How did you were always going out? Yeah we were always going out to the home. Improvement Stores In northern and southern California it was primarily lowe's because lows was kind enough to turn off their music when we were in the story. Home Depot was like no. You need to come after hours bringing your extras and we're like we don't have that kind of budget so Yeah it was. By the time we got two yard crashers because my first television show was actually a little gardening show called the dirt on dot dot dot like that was the title of my show. I had an ellipse in the title and It was a gardening show and it was really Horticultural Information. Gardening information and it was great but that was a show more geared towards women. Because that's who was watching. Hgtv and DIY network at the time and they don't have those kind of shows much anymore. Now it's all like houses and homes and I love the gardening stuff. I used to go for that. So the gardening shows the problem with them and the reason that they don't exist is that one. The gardening industry is very regional. It's regionalized so like your gardening stores in your area and your garden supply centers. They don't have money for television ADS space. So they're like yeah. We love to be on but no we're not going to pay you for ad sales marketing. Where the real estate industry will pay for as sales marketing. Because it's a huge industry. It has more money and it's nationwide sure. All the regional based gardening elements can't afford television so therefore they're not on TV because that's really where the dollars come from as much as the world would like to think that TV is just about. Entertainment is really about ad sales and marketing. It is if when someone figures that out. Maybe I'll get to have show on television again but until then there's just there's no money in it and I demand quite a bit of money for me to like drop my life and go be on TV everyday well and I wanNA talk to you about that part and I want to bring you know. Let's start a show. I know okay so when you're so the yard crashes show. What was the style of that you would go to lose and you would find someone that had bags of stuff and it looked like they were going home. Mid and my job was talk to everybody. And I have producers with me and producers alike. Pitched THEM. We're going to go home with them. They Look Great. They will be great on. Tv They were watch this. Is it true? They really were Strangers then they weren't set up it was. It was a mix so really. My job was talked to everyone. And typically the producers would set me up and they would have a ringer in there. Or a few ringers in there. But the ringers weren't guaranteed to be able to get their yard done. It was really. Whoever was the best that day on camera and a lot of times? It was the ringers. And sometimes it wasn't and there are people that they found where ringers are sent over to the store. There's somebody who got the inside skinny that we were going to be there A lot of times we would do someone's yard and so producers would call them and say. Hey we're going to get the story if you have any cool friends like yourself you know looking at people who can talk on camera would be great cinema store so it doesn't mean they're going to get chosen but the producers always want to make sure that there were plenty of people to choose from so they want to on the other side television. I understand this because you don't want a dead fish. I don't know what else determined to use. But you don't want a real camera. I do want that on camera because that person is hilarious. Because that's going to give me something the play off of so. I always preferred sons coming out I always preferred real life oaks and I couldn't stand the ringers. But the bottom line was it was my job to really figure out. Who are you and why should you be the one? I think I'M GONNA move gone for a while there. He's well lit. So that's what happens. The Sun comes up over my house in the morning It's really bright. I love it. He's really high on a hill to over there. I liked it behind him. You will see. There's a ravine right. Isn't that Cameron? Park is pretty cool. I'm on top of the hill. My Front Yard faces the Sacramento Valley. But there's all these trees in the way and then the backyard looks out towards Tahoe in the SIERRAS paydays gorgeous. Yeah Yeah it's beautiful there okay. So now you're doing your television show and are you loving it. Are you feeling like did you ego or you? Kinda cocky jail. Women's television helps you to be come a little more plumpness. I mean you have people coming around taking your food orders and Limos picking you up at the airport and get your name on it and treating you like royalty and they pay you reasonably well and So it does it does all go to your head and then people are like you know how people talk about folks in Hollywood like. You should see what he eats. I mean it's just crazy and I was vegetarian at the time and people would like to talk about my diet and I'm like so wait a minute. You don't allow me to go feed myself because I can't leave the set. I can't go pick up my own food. And now you're GonNa take my order and then you're GonNa ridicule me for what I ordered because this is how I eat. Wow this is interesting. Accusing you of being a diva and right requiring these fancy things have a special diet and you have to send someone else to go. Get your food. Because they won't let you go feed yourself now. You are a dealer right now. You're hanging man but also have noticed on the film sets is everybody wants to have a story about the star so they wanna be able to say like. Oh He's terrible. Yes they're gonNA make a news story that they're close to you so yeah so. I gave him a few stories Television was fun for me. to be able to do what you do for a living what you love to do. What's your hobby in which your livelihood and to be able to make good money for that and be recognized no matter where you go what plane you jump off of what train you walk off of what car you get out of. That's pretty cool these days and the guy who walks around people look at me and they're like Hey. I know you used be on TV. That's cool it's coke to that now. Do you feel bad like. Was that a fall from some. Did you feel like Oh shit. I don't know who I am now. I will lose yourself. You go through that period like when you hear that. Yeah you don't have a show anymore. the thing is nobody in television gives you a contract and says hey we're GONNA make sure you make money in our popular for life like nobody. Does that in your bosses. Don't do that no matter where you work no matter what you do so I was but heard after my television shows went away. Couldn't work for anyone else because they own an exclusivity and Blah Blah Blah and. Eventually you have to type your boots nice and tight and go out there and remember who the hell you are and go to work. So that's what I did. So I'm Kinda over television at this point I am not over landscaping and horticulture and my television career served me very well because I haven't shot a show since the end of two thousand eleven going into the two thousand twelve in. We're now in two thousand twenty and I still benefit from my television career. It still helps my landscaping career and I really played myself on TV. As you know Juliet I mean anyone. He ever saw me on TV. Same Day that. I don't think you could be fake. A little more reality and say things like everything else. Everything else is true. Now you go around and you tour speak and you're kind of a spokesperson for different things too I was. I was digging around last night shirt what I did a lot of spokesperson work for different brands within the green industry. If you have products or brand and it's something that I believe in I can honestly get behind. Then I'll do that. You know for a fee of course and I do speaking engagements around the country. I speak to the landscaping industry. The horticulture industry Small Business Owners. Anyone who I can relate to. Yeah I talked to students who are interested in landscaping and horticulture. And I try and talk some sense into them like go make some real money. You guys okay. You still love this work okay. Here's how you going to do it. Because you know nobody gets into horticulture because they want to get rich you know you get into it because you'll love it and you're passionate about it and then you figure out. How can I support my life must from is it? A niche market isn't very competitive. It's not competitive. If you figure out who you are. And what makes you special because then your special? What makes me special is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to plants soil irrigation. And I am a driver. You've heard of a slave-driver well I pay my people but I drive them. Very hard so I get things done. I'm really a manifesto. At just two manifestations outside in nature that's cool soil and I wanted to ask a couple expert questions we had so we had to write in questions. I'm looking right now. Real quick since you mentioned that Best Way to get grubs out of vegetables. I love gardening too and I'm doing school gardens and backyard gardens with little friends and things like that and doing a little bit by the way. Hey you're diminishing yourself right now. I'm my cats even getting stirred up various. She's really she just one link volunteer of the year over at the. She's transformed her daughters schools. She's like a bigwig around the thing. So don't downplay girl Joel. Is You have to figure out who is your next predecessor. Who's WHO's going to come after you to do this. Because what happens with school gardens is people like you that are very dynamic and do all this stuff and then your kids move on. And then they're like their garden now. Luckily we have a great team there at the school. So there's a big group of people Helping renting it. There's a teacher behind which makes all the difference in the world. Shout Dancy and yet. But it's it's turning into movement in our school district so we're going to go to the board and try to get money to pay these people because it's all volunteer run right now at all the schools and it's such an important part it's science fiction it's livelihood especially in urban areas if you don't keep your kids active outside and understanding nature. I'm sorry you're screwing up you really. Are you know those are the things that I remember? The most as a kid was like seeing the turning the cocoon and those are the things that are important and kids need to get grounded. They need to get their hands in the dirt electronics literally. Yeah yeah outside okay. They do like I have my girls working on a job site yesterday. We were doing burn piles. They're like dad. I gotta go. Pm like here's a Napkin. Go BEHIND THE BARN. Figure it out and my youngest she. She no issue right and then she's like what I do with the paper. I'm like we're burning pile. Won't you throw it in the fire? Compost it Barry and my middle daughter was like I feel so dirty when PSI. And I'm like that's interesting because every other animal peas outside and I don't think they feel dirty the right. I said I actually like it. I love to not have to flush that like why am I flushing water behind my urine. It's too I now. I know you're GONNA plant fertilize. Let's get back to the white GRUBS. Yes grabs I know. Okay so white. Grubs are a challenge for any garden because they eat the roots of your plants and then the undermine your plants and then your plants follow over in dock. They don't be kill the plants but they make the plant so weak and then what happens is the GRUBS. Natural Predator are raccoons predominantly so raccoons can actually hear the grubs underneath grass or plants. And they'll hear them munching on the roots and then the raccoons will dig up the plants. Screw the plants they're like we want the GRUBS. Yeah so go easy grabs so what you can do. Is You can practice your pm your integrated pest management and you can dig up grubs. Pluck them out of the soil. Ethan yourself or you can pluck them out of the soil and you can kill them to get rid of them. But I don't know a and a natural organic means of getting rid of white grubs. I do know that there's a chemical called emitted clopr`Kn if you look up the control of white grubs use the word control the control of white grubs. You'll learn everything you need to know about controlling or getting rid of white gross but you had looked for the control of and there's a chemical called emitted clopr`Kn that you'll have to use. An open is not organic it is a chemical and it works and kills the larvae of the white grubs and then the adult grubs will die off because they only live for a short period of time. And then they just die. Pekka you have to kill the Larvae. So you don't have all these babies and you could kill them with the chemical early on and then you can manage organically after that and keep a healthy soil system. But I don't know to start off. How do you get rid of grubs naturally other than literally dig him up? Cultivate the soil. And always gonNA grub hunt. Yeah unfortunately fend for the kids. It is and they can't do the group and when you're digging up all the soil. You're cultivating the soil. You're turning it over your starring in all those nutrients and everything. So it's a good thing in your plants. Rule grow really fast. We in the school when we find him. We throw him in the compass because they're good decomposes they don't eat the stuff up so and the kids love watching move and they they can roll around on their back with their little feet up crazy. Look you guys are kind of making it work. The issue is the purpose of your compost. Pile is to take that compost and put it back into the garden so when you sift through your compost put it back into the garden you have to sift and make sure the grubs get tossed back to the pile and don't go back to your soil. But how do you know you're not taking the larvae and you're just putting more grubs into your soil and the little teeny wins at sneak through the cracks? We do pick them out but right. Yeah good okay. It's a challenge With organic gardening. You don't worry about it. Organic gardening deals with you. Just leave it and you work around like you control. What you can you mechanically remove what you can And you just keep on gardening and if anything you keep the raccoons out because the GRUBS aren't killing the plants. They're just feeding off the plants in the same way that you do. It doesn't benefit them to decimate the plant because they have nothing to eat right so they just WanNa feed off of it in the same way you down here in San Diego. We get crows that dig up the grabs two. Crows will also packet the lines. And you'll see him tournament from that. But you know how to get rid of the crows doing that right. Be began in inexpensive bird netting and you just traipse it over your stuff you listed up you do your gardening. You put the burden hitting back. Birds don't want anything to do with Nettie. They have opposing thumbs and ingles them all up there. All right well good. That was an expert answer. I like explain rex question. I know all right. Let's see easiest ways to plant some succulents in the backyard? People are all about succulents waterways planting Yup. What do you have to say about that? Succulents are a fascinating category of plants because literally a succulent is equivalent to like taken a segment of my pinky not even the whole pinky but just a segment right there were the knuckle is and just plucking it off sticking it in the soil and growing a whole new. Ahmed from just the. That's what you get to do with succulents If you WANNA do that it's nice to pluck off a piece of the second and leave it sitting so that it can kill us dry so it's not a wet open wound once it dries then you put it in the soil and then it will establish its roots and grow from there in all seconds do that and they're extremely easy to grow and if you screw up with a secular and like it's too much water or it's drying out or it's freezing or whatever you can just get one piece you can start old plant all over again so you guys hear the. Little Bike Lane route. Two in Cameron Park where I live. I'm right up above the air park so I forgot a little planes. Come in. I guess it's time platinum so seculars really easy to grow. You just want to cut off pieces. Let them dry out. You can let them out for three days five days to weeks whatever it is. Keep them out of direct sons. They don't just burn but let them I and then you could establish them all over again and you can grow succulents forever. Na just yeah. We'll tiny pieces and it just has to be well. Draining SOIL. Kind of dry topsoil tears. It needs to be well draining soil. You don't have to have succulent mix you and just put them in regular potting soil us going to water them a little bit less than your water your other exotics or perennials. So how much is that? What would you say like how much water? Yeah how much? How much water you give your son or week. I mean everyday my son right exactly the way you water plants. You give them as much water as they need you. Give your son as much water as he needs the way you know wind water plants. Is You saturate a plant. So you think the soil profile of that plant and you completely saturated so it's like dripping and then you leave it alone until the plant. Wiltz in the new saturated again. It's the same way you water your house. Plants you out of your house pants off of when they will it they might. Wilton seven days if you have the here on. They might will in five days. If it's cooler. They might Wilton ten days or twelve. See your son starting to give them some water. Yeah there you go saturate okay. Well I liked what what I have to a lot of landscapes as we just kind of keep them moist all the time but that's not really the healthiest way to grow plants. So ideally you saturate allow them to go fully dry and then you saturate again you take it to the brink see. I'm ED. Will you shift your background a little? Because it's so blown out. I want to get it to a place where it's a little more. We are on the move again here. We go. We're getting the tour. I have a big boulder that works with Japanese maples behind me. That's pretty. Let's see there you go. I WanNa know to going back to the TV. I know we're bouncing around a little bit. Yeah but did you ever have clients on the show that were unhappy with the final product? Is You ever have to deal? With any drama. Yeah gave them a complaint line. I get that question all the time. Yeah what do people do when they don't like it or happier? Something happens down the road like I never had anyone who did a yard for who was unhappy with the because I work for people day in and day out to create space for them and my job is to profile them and I profile people very well so I can figure out what is it you love you need in order for you to identify with this base and love it and then my job is just deliver that and so that had nothing to do with being host that had everything to do with being in service work on my life and understanding people and outdoor spaces and if it was a married couple to make sure that. I did something that was really pleasing to him at something that was really pleasing to her or something that was replete pleasing to both she if they were married. So that's what I always had to do. So I never had anyone who was unhappy with what I did There were plenty of folks who couldn't take care of the spaces that we created for them and that was primarily due to the fact that we were doing a TV show. And if you're was tell up when we got there your yard is probably up now because don't know how to maintain it very few people Kept their homes. A lot of them sold their homes afterwards. Because hey we increase the value so much and they're like eight. We could sell this place and make some money now But a few of them actually really took care of their spaces and really appreciate it and a lot of the other ones they would go all different directions once we were so you did follow it. I did a little bit of Halloween on my own. And some of those folks. I never really stayed connected with any with many of them. A couple of people I did. I ended up doing further work for them. We would improve other spaces around their homes. But I get very personal because I just take relationships with people urgently. Shanna I mean unless I just totally wasn't digging them on my cou we're done we're out of there. Yeah Yeah how was budget decided? Was that a show thing. They gave you so much money to work with or evolved when we first started. We didn't really have a budget. We had like a thousand dollars a show and the first couple of shows we did were extremely weak. And then we got fifteen hundred per show we got like rebound and then we were putting in fifty thousand dollar yards and I basically strong arm the network and I was like if we don't get ten thousand dollars more per yard to deliver on your shows at the level that we're currently doing it. I'm done. I'm now because I was like arguing producers because we would design the yards. Give it to the producers. Here's what we're going to do and they're like we can't get all that we can't afford it. Can you redesign only no? I'm going to redesign yard opposite. Go do your little Hollywood and make sure we have the money. Yeah so it it. It evolved over a period of time. By the time I left. We had approximately fifteen thousand dollars per yard and with fifteen thousand dollars and trades in marketing and advertising. We were doing eighty ninety thousand dollars yards. Well was it was. Yeah and everybody was making money off that show for a while. It was doing great. There was every crasher show available and all they were was watch amid do does but tooting your way. You created the niche market. Pretty much know that I know that we created it was it was a small production company and myself and a couple key producers and the executive producer and we literally fabricated that show out of nothing and turned it into something huge and it was a big brand and I think it all done now because there are no more crasher shows being shot inserted like bathroom crashers house crashers. I mean room crashproof house crash. Kitchen crashers bathroom crashers. Your mom and daddy crashers Azure tend to win and went so I could see it. Would I just love that? Your thank you for being honest about your ego getting big I think I it would be hard not to have a big ego and then to come back to earth and say I need to take care of my way because there's a lot of people who get the fame in then they can't let go of the fact that they had it and now they have to make life work so you will humble you out. Yeah you know it was fun while it lasted and in your job all of our jobs all of us former host. Our jobs are like pick ourselves up. Remember who we were as big as we were or small as we were and to turn it into something to turn it into something legitimate. An all of us are doing that. And did they not renew you as the host they got a new host just because it was a executive decision to make because amid was a pain in the ass mid got more money every season and television especially reality. Tv LOVES TO GET NEW BOOTY IN THERE. That worked for a little bit less somebody. Who's going to be excited and wild about television and we'll work for less money so they have to shift things around it affordable for the networks makes sense. I guess badly but stupid They they lost a good thing. There is even a petition. To get you back. I thought there was all sorts of stuff but ultimately it ran its course and then it's on something new right but also I remember that time and you were. You were kind of like. Hey I sort of created this show you should be paying me a little bit more because they were trying to low ball you to right. I remember Yeah Yeah Anyway now. We're here and you're doing and you're fine and everything's you're keeping everything float. Yeah I'm running my business. I'm living my life. I'm not I'm still living my own dreams and I'm making my own dreams. Come true I mean for me to be able to get up in my own house and turn the heater on in like it actually comes on getting my hot tub and walk around and play with my plants and then Oh yeah time to get dressed and get out of here so you can get to work and go make some more money. I mean it's a pretty cool life and your son is still working for us. Julian Julius in twenty one years of your family I have always employed in my family until my family proves that they should not be employed for my son. Julian works for me. He's twenty one. My daughter's Faith is about to turn eighteen next month and commuters fifteen. They do not WanNa work for me. But Dad pays them well so they worked for me when they absolutely have to like faith working for me during this quarantine because she can't work at the Community Service district being a swim coordinator because they're not swimming. They're not even open so I've employed my uncle. My Aunt's unemployed. My mom my brothers. My cousins nephews. Like I just put people to work. Let's go you need to make some money some help. Let's go to work. So that's what we do. We have more questions Joe. I feel like we had a bunch. let's see when more official question. I know you've got to admit but what grows under eucalyptus in my case under pepper I have more. Yeah I know it's so hard but eucalyptus and redwoods and oaks are very popular very large trees very hard to grow anything under them. Yeah those trees. Don't want anything growing under them because if they grow under it it's taking water in nutrients from it right just like you don't want some leach hanging on you growing under your neck all the time stealing your food have your Elliott Charlotte just getting so those three trees in particular. Nothing really wants to grow under them. Except when they're young but as they start to get large and create a canopy they will drop enough leaf matter duff debris and Mulch and they will kill those little plants under so good luck under Eucalyptus redwoods and oaks if you want to grow under them put it in containers in its in its own vessel in its own soil. It's giving itself water that guys and you'll have some luck cough all right. That's good to know anything else weans. Do you have any questions? You've got your garden that I just want to know where you're coming by Los Angeles again so i WanNa know. Oh Man I got rule. Would House come on? Bring your friend your girlfriend your dog coming. I won't be governor come visit. Yeah I wanNA come to me. You guys don't have rubbed at my house. Yeah could see ghost. I'm just so proud of you the way that your life turned out because you really did it in a way that you plan to head. I thought you were so mature for back then. I was just like this crazy wildly. Just Gypsy ended up wherever person. And you're planning and saving and getting married and having Juliet remember when we met each other. I was a pot smoking kid and then I got in trouble and then I got clean and sober for twenty three years and I. I'm very serious about my life face. I didn't like the way that my life was going so I started changing things. Then I went through the death of my dad and I was like. Yeah you gotta fix it. We got to get this together. So that's what it really was. I was probably your earliest friend who you knew that was like going to narcotics anonymous and alcoholics anonymous meetings back in the day. Shit together. I mean that's amazing but along with it you didn't want them. I wanted to life and so I got an likes and you were very different than I mean. You're the first person that kind of got your shit together for real in your family right. Well I think in my family I I sort of got it together. A little sooner than the rest of them But you know you stop keeping score at some point and you just hope in everybody can keep their shit together are there. So that's great. I was always inspired by you. Come see me soon. Set it up and so you can finally last April and come on down and hang out for a weekend. Okay because it's easier for you than it is for me a ten thousand dollars to take care of all the tax burden. Yeah that's of babies. Well thank you. Where can people find you if they want to follow you? Follow your progress on the hot sun. Dot TV is my website. And if you look me up on social media just look up Ahmed. Hassan or met Hassan landscaper. And it'll all pop and I think my cousin Sita who does all my marketing and advertising. She's going to send you all of my links and profiles and all that good stuff yes they will be in our show notes so everybody can go to. Www DOT mouse and wiens dot com and you can check out oliver a transcript and our notes and all the good links so yeah. It'll be great. We're going to talk and focus more on bowel movements. Let's get him to her stories. You show on this soobee great. I'm just thinking like it's re episodes. Good morning and more stories about weans back in the day. I WanNa hear some of this stuff. She got into look no no. I don't WanNa go there either. Hey plans you nothing. Four if you're new then to the whole maybe there's nothing when they know your name so good.
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Millions of iranians voted on friday and a contest set to hand the presidency to a hard line judge who is subject to us sanctions the anger of economic hardship and cubs on freedoms mean. Many will heed kohl's for a boycott senior officials appealed for large turnout in an election. Widely seen as a referendum on their handling of the economy including rising prices and unemployment and a collapse in the value of its currency. All liberal candidates have been banned from running media said and intimidation rife. many potential. Voters boycotted the due to the clerical fascist regime in tehran while state television showed long queues at polling stations in several cities the semi-official ause news agency reported twenty two million or thirty seven percent of voters had cast ballots by seven thirty pm after voting in the capital. Tehran supreme leader ayatollah khamenei urged iranians to follow. Suit saying each vote counts. Come and vote and choose your president sixty road. Racy is backed by security hawks and his bid to succeed. Hassan ruhani apprenticed prevented under the constitution from serving a third four year term in the post which runs the government day to day and reports to khameini supported by the powerful revolutionary. Racy a close khameini ally who vows to fight. Corruption is under us sanctions for alleged involvement in executions of political prisoners decades ago videos released under court. Order provide a chilling new. Look at the chaos at the us capitol on january six including body camera footage that shows a man charging at a police officer with a flagpole and tackling him to the ground. Federal judges ordered the release of the videos. Often meteorology went to court to request. The department of justice provide access the videos being presented as evidence in prosecutors cases against men charged with assaulting police. The new video show a former marine nukes city police officer wielding a flagpole as he attacks police as well as riotous another officer into a door as he screams in pain. The release comes at a time. When republican lawmakers in washington increasingly tried to downplay the siege portraying the breach of the capital as mostly peaceful protest despite the shocking violence that unfolded the justice. Department has brought hundreds of criminal cases against the rioters this week. A man linked to the anti-government three percent extremist movement was indicted on a new charge that he brought a semiautomatic handgun with him to the capital. The powerful video footage was made public senate. Republicans have blocked. Bipartisan inquiry into the insurrection and as an increasing number of house republicans have defended the rioters and play down the violence of the day to hearing last month. Gop representative andrew. 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