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Show sample for 2/10/21: SOPHIAS CHOICE W/ DAVID HANSON AND SOPHIA

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11:22 min | 4 months ago

Show sample for 2/10/21: SOPHIAS CHOICE W/ DAVID HANSON AND SOPHIA

"I'm clyde lewis. You're listening to a sample of today's ground zero show. I'm clyde lewis and this is ground. Zero numbers call tonight. Five zero three three two five zero eight sixty five zero three two five zero eight sixty now. I had a phone call today with ryan gable. We were discussing the super bowl show and and how we were talking about. Trans humid is We were talking about the whole idea of life. Rebirth becoming more than a human manche and we were discussing all of and we're starting to talk about ai and we're talking about how you know. Artificial intelligence is another part of the plan. it's not necessarily transhumance. It's just the idea that you know we link up into into some sort of a relationship whether we're directly putting our minds into A i in order to better ourselves Or if we're participating genetics or the the coupling both a and human. That's where we're getting into the trans human aspect. And i was sharing with him. How a few days ago. We were talking with dave hansen from answering robotics into of a mix up with the when we were going to have on the show to talk about this these topics because About a week ago there were certainly gonna roll out. But maybe two hundred or so Two hundred sophia robots and of course they have different models. They even have the baby sophia. And we wanted to talk about that. Because i wanted to talk about. What exactly is sophia. What what issue in. What and how is it that she's going to be used in the future. And whether or not she's you know she's learned enough to be able to become a social botch. She's gonna be social a social bhatt pretty much And i was talking with ryan about a number of things going back to the idea of how long ago. How long ago were we dealing with robots. How long ago. We're dealing with not necessarily artificial intelligence because that's a different thing altogether but the idea of an automaton. The idea of something made in our image and i was talking to about how in the show i briefly touched on the story of jason the and their encounter with the bronze man of crete and his name was taylor's. It was interesting about taylor. Says is here in portland oregon. Where i'm doing the broadcast. There's actually a a robot it's actually An art piece. It's in the middle of the city. They moved it. I don't know word used to be a next to the building where i was. I who radio show it was During my My spin it Nba g which was my first syndication company. And they had this strange three or the strange tripod looking character. They had like it'll take a nazi helmet on it. And they call the taylor's to and i went. Whoa i mean this is. This is supposed to be like taylor. The man of crete the bronze crete. And i always a fascination because of the fact that rate harry housing who had a chance to meet ray hurry. Housing was the guy who dealt with stop motion Type of characters from clash of the titans and also You know the skeleton army. Everybody remembers the scaling army from jason. The argonauts well. Jason the argonauts Also if you've seen that movie It has the bronze man of crete that basically the ship argo sales to europa increase following when jason found the golden fleece and when they're on the island of europa. The argonauts look. There's this great metallic giant called taylor. He was made by a blacksmith shop huge robot. It was seriously seriously it's a robot. He's made of solid bronze. his legs were hollow. But there was something called. I corps. I corps acor. There was this blood that would go through his legs. And this one vein where the with a divine golden blood of the gods the i corps flag and the way to Shutdown this this big robot was to pull a little nail or something outside of the ankle. And that i corps came out but in the meantime this robot would patrol europa in crete three times a day to protect and guard the land from pirates. Or any other marauders. So i remember back when for saaji in the organiz. It never dawned on me. I mean it looked like what you know. If you if you look back the movie it looked like it was just a huge bronze statue with a sword. That was moving. And i never even thought about the idea that this was a robot literally and at the story of taylor's goes back to about seven hundred bc. By god. and i was. I think that was the first time it was the first time i saw something like this. Because harry houses movies were great. They were wonderful movies. And and this and i thought how long ago was this is something they made up or was there really a story about taylor's and i would. I would study taylor's like crazy. 'cause i i love mythology. This was like seven hundred thousands of years before machine learning and self driving cars and all these things. We take for granted now just details of giant bronze robot. I thought was amazing but then again i mean if you look. Pandora was In mythology she was she was an artificial woman in a lot of respects and basically what happened was that she opened that box of evil Ah where a lot of mythical artificial beings existed There were also you know stories of pandora being an innocent woman who opens up the box of evil but when you look at hassi odds original story the original Tale pandora was described as an artificial evil woman built by hefei. This who is a blacksmith. Then she was sent to earth on the order. Zeus to punish the humans for discovering fire. From of course you know the whole story that. So addition to creating tailless in pandora. The blacksmith have faced this made other self moving objects including set of automated servants. Who looked like women but were made of gold. If you remember in clash of the titans they had that that our that was a mechanical owl kind of a clockwork candidate. Interesting when i first saw got yeah right. But then i in dawn on me that You know taylor was a robot and if you wanna look what historian saga by. They say that the idea of automatons can go back to the middle ages. When i self moving devices were invented. The concept of the idea of artificial life like creatures dates to the mythologies and legends. The go back some thousands of years. I mean even lost simple. Mechanical beings were constructed in ancient greece in the islamic and chinese world's had these automatons as well legends about artificial light proliferated across cultures in centuries and inevitably believe it or not. They had a theological Gloss to them. Seriously i mean i. It appears that when when we speak of modern cybernetics in the rise of robots. We can say that they are certainly an archetype. Basically type of the unconscious mind. there's always been the legends of a monkey. Aligarh the jewish legends of the golem named frankenstein means man of stone and the story of course is about an automaton made of flesh and bone. And then you have the tin man in the wizard of oz. Ten matter there was a vase was robot. He was made ten but he was a robot. And that's why he was looking for a heart because he's all the things i have. I have life. I have all this. But i'm just nothing but an automaton without a heart you know it's like we make an effigy of a human for scarecrow and he's without a brain but he was the heart that was needed for the cyborg or this robot and the wizard of oz and of course the tiktok if you read Any other elfriede bomb books. There was also the tiktok of oz. Another mechanical marvel that certainly Never gets never gets read or or made into a movie or anything. I read it when i was a kid. But it's because i was always into robots. When i was i was always into wind up toys i was always into the fascination of this. And and and so you look at a cyborg and you you see the robot or you see it as a surrogate for ingenuity in the past appointed being somewhat divine. You know how do we animate something of parts and and cogs and wheels and all that and it's it's it's magic. I mean god created man and a man in similarly does what god has done creates the divine machine one that will eventually be like him in his own image apart from him not marrying him not having the relationship that dual relationship with a synergistic relationship between machine and man. That's trans humanism. But just the idea of having a. I guess you could call the pinocchio idea where you're japan creating pinocchio eventually pinocchio wants to be real boyd out of the happen but still. It's something that i i think. A lot of people don't understand it wouldn't when the story of pinocchio happened. Japan made out of wood. He made literally a puppet that was animated through magic. He was among us he was he was. He was dow chemical creation of man. He was like a goal but he was made of wood. He was like frankenstein but not made a flesh and blood yet. He wanted to be more like a boy he wanted to learn and in the process he couldn't learn he didn't learn well but then it was his courage that brought him to the point where he was granted his wish of becoming a real boy because he finally realized that there was something greater than him. And that's the whole point of humanity right you realize that there's something greater than you. That is out there. Something bigger whether it's your family or whether it's your spirituality or it's god that's where we stop being machines. We stopped being animals. We start thinking about what it means to be. Human five zero three two two five zero eight sixty five zero three two five zero eight sixty. I'm clyde lewis. You're listening to ground zero and we'll be back. 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Stop-motion Animation History With LAIKA Studios

Stuff You Missed in History Class

1:16:00 hr | 2 years ago

Stop-motion Animation History With LAIKA Studios

"The listeners just wanted to remind you about another great show. We have on our network dressed the history of fashion with over seven billion people in the world. We all have one thing in common every day. We all get dressed, and you can join fashion historians, April Callaghan and Cassidy Zachary twice a week as they explore the who what when of why we wear fashion history is about more than pretty close. This is a podcast for fashion and non fashion lovers alike. Because it is all about culture and clothing. And how those two things have all been part of the development of the human history story full episodes drop on Tuesdays and starting with season, two, April and Cassidy will answer your questions in their fashion history mystery Minnie's owed every Thursday, you can find dress the history of fashion on apple podcasts the iheartradio app or wherever else you get podcasts. Welcome to stuff you missed in history. Class a production of iheartradio's how stuff works. Hello and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly fry, and I'm Tracy v Wilson, and Tracy is, you know, back in late February I was lucky enough to get invited to visit the set of the Leica film missing link which is coming out of this week. We don't usually cover current film releases on the show, which any of our regular listeners would no, but I have been wanting to talk a bit about the history of stop motion animation for a while as you may recall ahead of show last year that was ran for season called drone, which is about animation. And we were thinking if we do more seasons we get to stop motion, and we didn't end up doing more seasons. So it's just been lurking there in my head and missing link is kind of a perfect fit because it is a historical film, essentially, it's it's a period piece still very fun in case, you don't know like a they are the people that did core line and box trolls and paranormal and Kuban the two strings and now this is their fifth film. So I reached out to them since this had. Some some potential in the history Rome, and I asked if they would be willing to be part of an episode about stop motion and talk about their film in a historical context. They were all super game. So I headed out to their studios just outside of Portland had the time of my life getting to Ogle all of the incredible artistry that goes into making one of their films was absolute heaven for me, that's like some sort of paradise. It was just beautiful and everyone there is super fun. So it was super beautiful. So that's what led to this episode. And here's how it's going to play out. So I have a fairly normal episode of history class, Tracy, and I are going to give a brief history of stop motion. And then at the end therefore short interviews with people from the team at lake talking as I said about their film, both in the context of history in terms of stop motions history. And in context of history that they are recreating on the screen, but in a stylized way. So that means you're getting a super sized episode today. Day. Yep. If you're one of those people that use our show to run 'cause you're like, they're always about thirty to thirty five minutes. It will run long and. You're running and going where am I I don't recognize these houses at all do I live. So just in case you're like stop motion. Refresh my memory that is made by taking still photographs of objects and then shifting the poses of those objects just ever so slightly for each frame. And then when you run those frames together and play them sequentially. It creates the illusion of movement. So you can string a whole whole bunch of these together. And you get a film. This is a painstaking process and even today with lots of technology available to make this more efficient. You still only about three seconds of film for days work on it. Yeah. I think that's why like it's a very unique type of artists that is drawn to this as their their work, and it is often kind of difficult to pinpoint the exact moment when any new art form or concept is truly born and that holds true for stop motion. But there is one particularly charming legend about it. The story goes that while looking at a piece of film that he had shot jurors me as. Noted that there was a point where the film had gotten stuck moving through the camera. And as a result, there was an illusion that the people in the vehicles onscreen had just teleported across the frame. You may remember merely as from our two parter on the Lumiere brothers. And from this point. He was just so fascinated with the idea of stopping the camera manipulating the scene, and then picking up filming to achieve some similar effects on purpose. And we will be talking more about his most famous entry into this whole genre and a little bit. But me as was not the only person testing, the limits of what a film camera could do this was after all a fairly new technology. So plenty of ingenious and creative people were toying with it Thomas. Edison developed the Connecticut in eighteen ninety and the Lumiere is created their cinematic graph in eighteen ninety five so this was really the dawn of a new era in storytelling. And while the story of the French filmmaker stumbling onto the idea of stop motion is fun. Other people were kind of having their own Eureka moments as they played with what a film. Camera could do the Humpty Dumpty circus is credited as being the first true stop motion animation film. This was created by Albert e Smith and j Stewart blackston regular listeners may recall blackens name for our Windsor. Mckay episodes. This is one of those episodes that just ties together so much in our archive into one episode. He was the photography supervisor on Mackay's first cartoon, which took the character of little nemo from comics into film and the Humpty Dumpty circus used children's toys to tell a short simple story about the circus. But the film itself is lost time. There are still images from it. Maybe the animated short was named for the police at that the animators used for the action that was a product of the show in hut company. So there has been some debate about whether particularly the image. That's often used as an example of a framed from the film is actually just a promotional photo from the company that they were using to market their toys in one thousand nine hundred blackston collapse. Rated with Edison to make the enchanted drawing is the first time animation was captured on standard film. This was the predecessor to his nineteen o six film. Humorous phases of funny faces in the enchanted drawing the shot includes the animator he's featured in almost full figure as the main character. And then stop motion is used as he creates a drawing on a large sketch pad. This is essentially a capture of the vaudeville lightning sketch act that we talked about in our Windsor. Mckay episode, but they're elements that are played up for humor using stop motion as well. And then in humorous phases of funny faces the screen is filled entirely by the chalkboard. And only the artists hands are seen as he draws the characters which then come to life on their own and engage in all manner of antics humorous phases, uses a lot more stop motion than the enchanted drawing. Blackston continued to explore the medium and in nineteen oh nine made a five minute film called Princess nicotine or the smoke fairy. Which featured an early example of product placement was sweet, corporal cigarettes that were used in the picture and the boxes on the screen with ferries kind of flitting about it. Yeah. We'll talk about it again in a moment. But early animation was not for children. In one thousand nine hundred two director, Edwin porter working for Thomas, Edison. And Edison, I should point out was kind of involved in a lot of these different projects made a short film, titled fund in a bakery shop, and this is also a mix of live action and stop motion. And in it, a Baker throws, a large wad of dough at a rat as it climbs up a wall and it traps the rodent. But then the Baker uses the dough to sculpt what he is. Then created this mass on the wall into various faces adding more and more as he goes until two other bakers arrive in they dumped him into a barrel of flour it's short. It only runs about ninety seconds. But it was touted by the Edison company in their catalog as a quote side splitter, it's cute. I don't know that I split my size laughing that same year that fun in a bakery. Shop was made a much more. Well, known injury was made into stop motion. And that was Lavoie is dull loon, which is a trip to the moon. This was George Melia. As film that most people think of when they think of early stop motion animation and really when they think of him, and you can probably conjure up the image of the face of the moon with a rocket slammed into one of the is is played with this forever. Both in using things that we're not humans in using humans and stop motion pretty much from that point on the cameraman's revenge was made in nineteen twelve by polish animator Lotus lost village and the opening title of it reads, quote, Mr. and MRs Beadle have to calm a homelife Mr. beetle is restless and makes frequent trips to the city again, clearly not for children. Mr beatles. Favorite hang out in the city is a nightclub and it's called the gay Dragonfly. He has a favourite dancer there and things unspools very dramatically. Mr. beetle, the Dragonfly dancer are romantically involved. But Mr. and fly also has a nother would be suitor in the form of a grasshopper. Grasshopper is also a cameraman who films this pair when they're together to later show at the cinema. And then it turns out that mrS beetle also has her own Paramore, the Beatles. Marriage seems pretty complicated. It really. The entire plot is played out using not puppets. But insects, and that is because steroids, which was the director of a museum of natural history. And he had initially developed a technique to animate insects in order to recreate things like the drama of two stag beetles fighting, and then he realized he could film, fictional narratives with his insect puppets. And the work that he did was really intricate and groundbreaking. He would recreate their legs with wire and then carefully. Connect them to the insect bodies in ways that looked true to life. If you knew how insects bodies worked, but it also allowed for manipulation from shot to shot. So they could kind of be transmogrify into more human activities Sturbridge went onto direct dozens of stop motion shorts, including a nineteen thirty film called the tail of the FOX, which became the first feature length film, starring puppets. Instead of nineteen thirty three film, titled the mascot toys come to life and a little girls plush dog goes on. On adventure in a quest to get her and orange, and that's something that she dearly wants. But that our mother can't afford sounds a little like Toy Story. And that's a valid comparison. It even includes heroin traffic scenes where the toys and peril. It's also a little creepy and disturbing and has some adult situations in it staff. It should be interesting episode on his own and could be one day. He's on my list for sure. Yes. Some of the toys behaving very grown up ways. It's always say. The nineteen teens featured early use of claymation as Helena Smith, Dayton, a New York sculptor began to explore the medium of stop motion. And she actually ran an evening of shorts at the strand theatre on March twenty fifth nineteen seventeen titled animated sculpture and while Dayton contributed to a completely new avenue of technique animation. Using these clay figures that could be manipulated from shot to shot. Her work is rarely discussed in depth because there don't appear to be any surviving copies of her films in the mid nineteen twenties came the first feature length animated film, the adventures of prince ach med by previous podcasts. Subject Lotte Ryan Iger as we discussed in that two-parter her work was cut out animated done in a silhouette style. And this cutout animation is still a form of stop motion. But of course, it uses flat paper instead of a matured puppetry, and we're about to touch on a very influential innovator in stop motion. But before we do. Do we're going to take a quick break in here from one of the sponsors. That keeps stuff you missed in history class going. Tuck -nology truth brought to you by Geico. Truth. You will certainly send any text about your supervisor to your supervisor. What's Janet's fangs? Did she lose a bet? With a weed whacker? Sint wait. No, no, no, no, no truth. It's so easy to switch and save on car insurance at geiko dot com. Janet, I think my phone was hacked or something. Gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. In nineteen twenty five one of the great names in stop motion. Pioneering emerged with the film the lost world, which was adapted from the novel by Sir, Arthur, Conan Doyle, and that was animated by Willis O'Brien. The film was directed by Harry o Hoyt, but O'Brien created the mind-blowing for the time dinosaur sequences O'Brien had been working in short films before the lost world including a series for Thomas, Edison. But nineteen twenty five marks his entry into feature films and that continued into the nineteen sixties. His work includes the nineteen thirty-three version of King Kong, the nineteen forty nine mighty Joe young and even model work on the nineteen sixty remake of the loss world O'Brien's influence reaches far beyond his own films. However, he meant toward another of the biggest names in stop motion history. And that is Ray hairy Hausen after seeing O'Brien's work in King Kong, Harry house, and was inspired and connected with the special effects man through a mutual friend. The teenage Harry house was encouraged by. Brian to take art classes and really develop his skills in the fine arts in order to translate them into creating models for stop motion. Harry house and got work on a project called puppet. Tunes in the nineteen forties and developed his skills. Eventually he was hired by Willis O'Brien to work with him on feature films, including mighty Joe young a few years after mighty Joe young Harry house and made a film called the beast from twenty thousand fathoms that was in nineteen fifty three and it was one of the first films that featured giant creatures attacking big cities and affect that. He pioneered by using rear projection to create this illusion of monsters in the shots that was eventually named Dinan the opening advertising line for the beast from twenty thousand fathoms was are we delving into mysteries, we weren't meant to know, and it promised audiences. You'll see at terrace city apart was all thanks to the work of Ray, Harry Hausen, and Harry housing went on to create some of the seminal works of stop motion animation the mythological creatures of nineteen fifty eight. Seventh voyage of Sinbad and the skeleton fight in nineteen sixty three's Jason and the Argonauts are often cited by film fans and animators alike as favorites. I think that Jason and the Argonauts sequences kind of another one of those that people think of when they say stop motion like you immediately. See the skeletons coming out to have a fight that. We mentioned puppeteers a moment ago. And those were the creation of a man named George pal pal. Theme doesn't come up as often as O'Brien's or Harry Howson's when it comes to stop motion. But he was responsible for developing. Some really interesting techniques Powell was Hungarian, and he started making puppet based animation in his studio in one thousand nine hundred eighty three he hit initially intended to work in two d animation. But he had a hard time finding the right cameras for two d filming. So we started to experiment with stop motion one of the techniques that pal developed with something called replacement animation rather than using just one puppet that required manipulation from one shot to the next powered build a series of slightly different puppets. So he could just switch out the star of the shot for each frame, and that sped things along a little bit. And this idea has continued to be refined over the years now specific pieces of puppets, get switched out and current animators will switch out just face plates for even the most subtle of expression changes something that you're. To hear talked about in the interviews that are coming up at the end Pepsi's were born in the studio that pal setup in Los Angeles. After he fled the Nazi occupation of Poland in nineteen thirty nine. It was the first dedicated puppet studio in the US and George Powell produced films for paramount one of the films he made after moving to the US was called tulips shall grow. And it tells the tale of a couple's lives turned upside down when their country is invaded by enemies called scruples. They're fairly obvious stand-in for goosestepping, Nazis, their villages bombed and his burnt to the ground there. Windmill home is destroyed by tanks. But it is ultimately a hopeful film. And that is all told with of it's in the nineteen forties. Czechoslovakian animator Yeary Trinka made the move from two d animation into puppet bass stop motion. And a lot of his work is rooted in folktales initially from the Czech tradition. But eventually he branched out into other cultures shared stories in lower as well as it acting. Shakespeare. Ears midsummer night's dream into stop motion Trinka was constantly at odds with the world in which he was creating he was funded by a communist government, but that meant that some of the films were banned for religious content. It was an area that he wanted to explore as a source of cultural storytelling, and he also struggled with the balance of wanting to make art and needing to attract an audience in nineteen sixty five he made his last film called the hand which features artists trying to create his own sculpture. But a large hand keeps showing up an intervening to change the work into something else. It's a clear commentary on his own breast rations as an artist. Drink of what's said, quote, a puppet is not a miniature human. He has his own world that that film. Unlike the George pal film that sounds very scary and ends pretty on a pretty up note. This film does not end on up note. So just know if you go looking for it online, it starts out a little bit funnier and then gets quite dark moving into the nineteen fifties. We start to see some of the stop motion characters that have endured to present day, including Gumby created in one thousand nine hundred eighty five by art clue key and first appearing in an experimental film called gum. Beige cloak was signed by Twentieth Century, Fox to create a TV series based on gun Beija. And then Gumby made his transition from experimental film to pretty mainstream stardom in the late nineteen fifties clicky developed the Davey and Goliath series as a project for the Lutheran church in the nineteen sixties and seventies. Rankin bass productions eating started producing their now classic holiday specials, including Rudolph the red nosed reindeer Santa Claus is coming to town of the year without a Santa Claus. All of which I remember watching every year, and my childhood and some. As an adult. These are still run every year and the story of harming the elephant Rudolph in the land of the misfit toys continues to enchant people. Yeah. It's kinda funny. Even you know, we we are so used to high levels special effects and CG yet kids today will still just sit down and be completely in trance by these. I also just like that the heat miser lives on in the late nineteen seventies. Phil Tippett and the team at industrial light and magic we're working on affects for The Empire Strikes back when they tapped into an old school technique that hadn't seen all that much. Use the twits come to be known as go motion. So for the at ATs, or you may say, depending on your preference and Tontons in that film. They didn't only use stop motion. But instead they moved the armature of those puppets slightly with the frame exposed in. This creates a sense of motion between the frames just as would happen when a human actor were moving during a normally running camera shot, thus minimizing the jerky nece. That stop motion can sometimes have sometimes tip it is credited with creating this technique, and he did really improve on how it was done. But the blur technique itself was actually used as far back as the nineteen twenties and some of laddis lost Gerevich as films. Go motion was used on a number of other films in the eighties. But as special effects technology advanced it really fell out of favor pee wee's playhouse kept stop motion animation in front of US viewing audiences in the form of its penny cartoons, which featured simple stories narrated by a little girl. I love the penny. Cartoons pee wee's playhouse ran from nineteen eighty six to nineteen Ninety-one and during that time animators Craig Bartlett and Nick park created the penny shorts and eventually Bartlett went onto create tutti animation series for Nickelodeon, but Nick park went on to create the much beloved Wallace and Gromit characters inventor Wallace and his very patient dog. Gromit have started so many shorts and features including a grand day out the wrong, trousers and curse of the where rabbi. Nick park has also made films that don't star Wallace and Gromit including chicken run and twenty eight teams early man and another more modern day contributor to stop motions. Ongoing story is will Vinton studios. If you recall the commercials, which featured the California raisins which started running in the mid nineteen eighties. You have seen work out of the studio. Vinton also produced the series, the PJ's which innovated by using foam rubber puppets that could easily be replicated to create the stop motion animation. This came to be known as foam mation. And it was that that enabled the studio to produce a thirty minute sitcom on a weekly television schedule one of the major moments and stop motions more. Recent history is Tim Burton's the nightmare before Christmas which came out in nineteen ninety three that film directed. By Henry Celik tells the tale of Jack skeleton longing for a life outside the bounds of Halloween town, it became a huge hit and more than twenty five years later. It continues to be a huge property for Disney. So I was a lot of merge. Ndaye's available, and it really gave stop motion a big boost in popularity and ushered in a whole new phase for the medium since one thousand nine hundred three there have been dozens of stop motion feature films produced all over the globe and will Vinton studios that we talked about a moment ago evolved over time, and it actually became like a into thousand five since like as first feature film core line adapted from the Neil Gaiman book of the same name debuted in two thousand nine the studio has produced paranormal on the box trolls to in the two strings and now their new film missing link coming up we're gonna share hollies talks with four people from the production team at like. But before that we will pause for a quick sponsor break. 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Every Wednesday morning just like that first Cup of coffee. It'll help you feel like you can take on the world one productivity. Hip at a time. Listen and subscribe on apple podcasts or on iheartradio app or wherever you listen to podcasts. And now we are going to hear as promised from some of the folks at like, and because their new film like I said at the top of the show is a period piece. It is set in the late Victorian era one of my favorites. Some of my talks were centered around capturing that time period is part of the film and other talks focused more on the history of the medium, I up his Deborah cook the costume designer for missing link. She's also designed costumes for paranormal in the box trolls and Kubo in the two strings as well as having worked as a fabricator and a model or on many other films. So she's got a lot of experience building and dressing puppets. One of the really fascinating things that she talked about was how she uses the historical trends in the period. The film is set for example, the availability of synthetic dyes to convey, the personalities of the puppet character she's dressing, and she discusses one of my very favorite things a little bit, which is Victorian underpinnings your work, obviously like any costume designer starts. With a copious amount of research. And I'm wondering how you get that process. Kick-started, particularly when you're doing something historical, and you have to get like your historical knowledge base ready to start designing cure is greatly different. From Hammy would research any film in live action world or any other type of movie vani to to stall telepho- have conversations with the direct tone with stop feeding out the volume of the the movie and read the script to find the characters to culture and their their personality is well coaching really dug sheep personality, if the character and informs their emotional movies laws support that would say find what motivate the costume change. What it should be from into to help pinpoint what we're looking for how many coaching changes that might be in motion. They might be feeding in each coach. Even have the coast, you can help propel joyful and support that emotional journey as well. So I'll start by deconstructing the script and identifying information for the coaching. So she's any described item of clothing or excess Serie their actions were activity on their personality and character note can all Richards well on this gives me a baseline to grow who they are. But veterans expectations for them. I'm for me to expel a costume ideas to flesh out their personality, so pinpoint the Aira historically the region, and the if there's any economic constraints on this dog if the coaching this, they're meant to exemplify something in particular, for instance, in nine on, the they're very vain, the quite thing, and they love that clothes and Gelinas influences are Spanish law and don't very much set city of London, but fashion foods looking at me hit might be around that time that were new to text though. Expiration such as the weaving phenomenal. And for adalina, the clothing that vibrant few Chicago, non turquoise cravat would have been quite Alamo at that time in ties with first coming into play so moving away from those Victorian, smokey cutters into something more visitations playful was with postcode at that time, and they definitely indulged in the an income trust that Susan Nick suit is acquired in the Pacific northwest. And there's a history of weeding in that area kind of cutters and that that weaving came into play there as well. So you start to build a contra between the characters and they're already gin and how they play against each other. And have that plays that newsy now when you are adapting period clothing, which often has very unique silhouettes into teeny tiny diminutive sizes for puppets. What is the biggest challenge that comes up in that process? Well, I guess we don't go into build them as they were billed. So in a way, not so win for us. So we're not going to build as Lena. A course it treats non-point under hurry explorer at that she's wearing an F bend swim. Bill course, it we don't actually build any down in east that we build the puppy shape in that forum. I'm built a cookie mode with that in that way. It's a win. If it was a live action movie, they would actually be building over human have to build in all the restraining shapes underneath. So in a way that was a game. But in in other ways building fabrics in the scale that we work which between one fifth month six humans. Go we need to find the right side read, the right fabric selection with the particular properties where window king for all puppet shape differ from Schuman's quite greatly. So eating there. They. They they appear teams whether on the session that Boldys whether next section that voters whether waste are on their shoulders. Aw. Aw. Not where they are for human that built on a nation. So there's particular Armley where the elven position is that we need for a puppet to be able to touch their faces on or woke or Ben Dover. It's very very different from she went proportion. So you're working with those restrictions as well. It's finding say most gal fabric, which we know away morning snorted it studio and become quite self sufficient in the the fabrics that we make a very very specific for us and mystic for the animation requirement. So we need to building under structures, for example. So we're not just looking at building on fabrics, looking at small gauge, wire's waited nine innings and how they interact together as well. It greatly removed from the idea of of a naive action coaching or how a traditional historical coastal would be made. We can make already departures to our medium. I also wanted to ask you about kind of walking the line with a historical film between the historically based research in the obviously very stylized look of any of the films that have come out of like a and like wear are you comfortable kind of with the give and take of that. And maybe varying a little off historical accuracy to stay in the style of the character. And Wendy's say, no, we really need to to make sure that this particular element of period fashion is included here. It does it varies. Sometimes I mean, I mean in particular instance, of missing make very much wanted to Victorian feel to aspects about Lena's everything and aspects of salon clothing and just making sure. What we can't those elements read of that. But then having the nicotine to make a big departure for cell to at and the color pilot of the movie, for example, is is is very very bright. It's very vigorous it's very uptempo and by note, very Victorian. So combining those items, for example, and some of the surface techniques, they need to capture the essence of Victorian era, and Victorian fabrics and clothing, and they're very luxurious. And the quite rich. They're very textural. But then we need to make a departure into a field area that Susanna mation. So it's quite a few aspects to consider in forming the coast jeans and regional representation as well. So we worked with the cultural specialist when I was constructing the Himalayan June to make sure that we had. Fendt reference for the type of jewelry and the type of cloth. It would have been more in that region era. The Cullens might be the origin of the threads might be. And then adding in a flare of personality to see the characters as well. So that this quite a few few animals coming together there. The next interview is with Ari on Suttner, the producer on missing link in Arjan has eight seriously impressive history in film and stop motion animation in particular going back to working on the nightmare before Christmas. If you check out her internet movie database page, your job may drop. She has really touched a lot of the films that are are cultural touchstones for us today. So I wanted to talk to her first and foremost about how the industry has evolved over the course of her career to start with you have a pretty impressive stop motion career both as an artist and a producer. So I feel like you also have a unique perspective on this industry that very few people would really have access to in Europe. -pinion what has changed the most about stop motion animation during your career? I think what's changed the most since I started which was probably around night, I t ninety or ninety one is, you know, the technology, and there is such a long list of things that were around back, then just in terms of computer software cell phones, you know, and that's industry wide, but it's awful the whole world. So I think specifically related to stop motion. I if I keep going back to, you know, the first movie that I worked on which was temper nightmare before Christmas. We that's kind of as a good touchstone for like how we were making those stop motion movies versus what we're doing today. You know at the core was shot on thirty five millimeter film with these really old Mitchell cameras. They were actually used in World War Two that the camera housing and the internal like gearing. We're really solid and reliable. So they were perfect for filming frame by frame, and they're huge. They're they're Jain Norma's. They're really heavy cumbersome. So clearly, I don't know how they did it in World War Two. But also wasn't really easy moving around on the set, you know, to we'd also do I we do labyrinths at the end of every day to get the film process. So we could watch dailies just the next morning. So you have a cutoff when you can deliver your film to the lab, and how you have to and when you can pick it up. What else there was no digital facts on on that movie? It was all like shot and camera at some crafty optical affects we edited entirely on esteemed that, you know, with film. So we didn't use the avid at all. Yeah. It's we had you know, we had bins of film and beware. Spicing together. The film in terms of storyboards. You know, we were drawing this for drawing pencil on paper. And then we were shooting them on a down. Shooter manually. So like now, she'd everything you you were at the sense, you probably saw those on digital F L or the single lens reflects the cameras. I, you know, their consumer cameras you can purchase them like anywhere. That means that we have dailies all day long. That's a huge difference. In terms of Howard, make stuff we have. Program of a lighting. And and programmable camera moves certainly digital composite ING, and and and we you know, we use a lot of CG. I mean, we use see G for everything really think for puppets and sets. Yeah. We we've taken advantage of those three. Oh my God. It's like three decades of technological advances. So the most notable difference. I think onscreen is pro is probably the facial animation, which might have been something we talked about when you were here. Yeah. So like a nightmare. We had replacement facial animation. And it was it was totally analog. We had basically done by really really skilled sculptors. Sculpting, molding casting painting. I mean, we still have those processes for something, but this was done for every single face. So if you've got, you know, twenty four facial rations for every second film, which we still have that's like a lot of faces to be made by hand. And to imagine that, you know, time and budget would play a factor in the range of I guess the emotional life of of these characters, you know, the puppets because you can only do so much, and you you can't really be consistent that you want to only do as many as you can be consistent by making by hand. So I think that's was a huge challenge. And it's still huge towns getting the shapes and the paint colors to like match perfectly one fame to the next everything then had to be and very very simple. So that it was repeatable by hand. So we had like it. Anyway, we introduced the three D printer really that process on core align that was the first I'd. Don't know. I think we were the first people to do it was like a pretty big game changer for the stop motion world. You know, we could add a lot more color because we weren't doing all the color by hand. Although it still simple we were able to, you know, print more faces have then be more repeatable, though, we could really introduce more of a range of human emotions, and that kind of brought into story telling that we wanted to do in terms of, you know, the characters inner lives, I guess showing on their faces. So I mean, we we just basically with all this technology like we we're we're getting rid of the impediments to storytelling that we have in stop motion film. Right. So we are able to not just shoot what's within three walls. Or basically what's an in a box. You know, I'm set. But I would say what's interesting for me. Is that like all this technology has made it got rid of all the challenges. So we can expand our worlds. These really unders just stories you really tell any kind of stories we want you without limits, but it doesn't make anything simpler easier. You know? My gene I thought when I like even when I was working on TV shows I thought, oh, I can just get rid of these cumbersome cameras. We're gonna have turnover on the sets. It'll be so much faster, and we'll be able to make KOTA. But of course, that just you start filling in all that time with, you know, more ambitious projects and things that you don't know how to do. So kind of you know, I it doesn't make it easier. It just makes it the films that you get to see more grew awarding to watch I hope or not I don't want to speak badly about the other ones. But it just offers more, you know, the bigger world. We don't have as many when the -tations now I feel like everything gets richer as the the medium develops over time. And I have seen you speak kind of to that before. And that kind of leads into this next question, which you may have already given me the answer. But like I've seen you speak. Before about how every project is a learning process. And I I remember particularly seeing you on press junket for Kubo and saying we were not ready to make this film. But we had to catch up to what we needed to do. So what are maybe some of your favorite moments in the industry during your career that you feel like we'll be historically significant that were like those moments that really kind of bumped the industry forward a little bit. I feel like every movie has some. But do you have like the one favorite one where you're like, we did this, you know, whatever kind of animation you're working on it all kind of incremental. So you're counting your success and second frames? And so sometimes the good question because it's sometimes hard to step back and really try to parse the big Tryon's or the big successes from just the the little ones that happen. You know on the day to day, and then we start to kind of take on equal significance. But I don't want to toot our own horn. But I it is to. Or I think that it's not the movie, but like biggest historical league for stop motion for us. I think it's really from what I have seen as being able to be at the studio that's din here like really tenaciously and thoroughly devoted to stewardship of of this kind of film making stop motion, which is like a, you know, all the stuff I'd worked on before it were they were tended to be like isolated events. You know, you'd set up shop for like two years on you. Hire crew you start shooting, and you just you're pretty much learning what you're doing while you're doing it. So by the time, you're finished the movie, sometimes it's, you know, new people often their new groups of people, you're like, okay. I have a pretty good understanding of what we just did. And then you're scrambling to find another job or is there going to be another job and everybody dissolves, go their separate ways. And then like a couple years later, maybe three years later, you're like, okay. Let's do this again from scratch. So there's no real built in time or money for research and development like fun. I'm producing something. That's crappier part of it. There's no line item. That says we will research and develop right right now. There's there's literally no time for it. So and I mean, I think that's the case for so many movies. And certainly I'm sure a lot of industries, but because we have this like dedicated base now, and we have you know, way more than just a handful of our artists and technicians, or like, you know, all of our our our long time key people they're able to really experiment with untested ideas. And they're able to also work together because we have a history together. And we kind of refer back to what we are successes, and what we didn't do so well, we have a shorthand for communicating and solving this problem. So I think it's not necessarily like the, you know, it was a game changer, for example on Coralline to get that printer. It's unbelievable. But I think it's really. The studio being here that is the game changer for me that I'm able we get to continue the work with these people who are still creatively really curious about this form, the kinds of movies, we're making and we keep building on it. I said that to you about I guess I said that about Kuba. But you know, we weren't ready to do miss missing link the way, we did it we without having done the for previous these there. We wouldn't have been able to do it. Next up. Is Brad Schiff who like Arianna has worked on a lot of films? He's the animation supervisor on missing link and during his chat with Holly. They talk about animators of the past that inspire him as well as passing the torch and the historical knowledge onto the next generation of artists. So first of all you like many of the people at like have worked on some very big stop motion projects that I think most people would recognize, but I wonder how much you are aware of and think about the people that have come before you like, Harry housing and O'Brien and how. How much that inspires your work? You know, I it's an interesting question because I think about that a lot. But maybe not in the way that you would think we would I think I would I talked about it a lot in the sense that I was inspired by Harry housing, and you know, Willis O'Brien, and George pal and bringing in bath all that stuff. And when I go back, and I look at that stuff while it was groundbreaking for the time. It's pretty ropy looking some motion, you know. And and and I see what we're what we're doing today, particularly here at Leica. And it's so smooth and naturalistic and that gets me thinking about what the next generation of animators who are inspired by the work that we're doing right now out good their stuff is gonna be. And I'm just it's interesting because I'm just starting to see it. And I have one of my animated is such a weird thing. You know, we just celebrate. The ten year anniversary of core line. And somebody asked me, you know, was that strange. You know that it's been ten years. And I think, you know, not really I do it all the time, and it doesn't I don't really think about it as being strange afield like it was just yesterday. But then I was reminded when one of my assistants just just came on board, and she went out to dinner with one of my animators was celebrating his twenty fourth birthday, which meant he was thirteen when Cora line came out and fifteen when paranormal came out and seventeen when box trolls came out and here the kid who grew up so weird. This is kind of stuff that makes me start to feel old. Watching the work of it my peers, and I did. And now here he is now we're peers, and this guy just has you know, he's just one of these people that just has unbridled natural talent. And we just have to figure out how to teach him to work production environment. But you know, just the thought of of where they're going to go is so exciting to me. Yeah. I I have talked to a lot of animators at various points in time. And what I always love is how many of them talk about a similar thing where it's like these kids grew up thinking this technology's just Deridder. And so for them like the next thing is going to be amazing. Yeah. You know, we, you know, like, I didn't even know when I started I didn't even know we didn't have frame grabbers. You know, I didn't know any of that stuff. If I had a character that sell down in the middle of the night when I was shooting one of my short films. I just sort of picked it up and eyeballed where I thought maybe he was. And now these kids, you know, now, these kids grew up with this technology that you know, they can see where they've been and they can see their live frame. And it's it's incredible. It's really exciting. Obviously the design departments on a film like missing link. We'll take into account like the historical setting of what's going on in it as they developed their designs. But I wonder if historical norms are something that you consider when you are doing the animation like how a character will move or how they'll behave are those things that you think about in a history context, they are, you know? But it's it's interesting all the departments do such extensive research that costume wise, we really benefit from the research that the costume department does because they will go back and look at historical pull historical reference and costumes from films that depict historical references. So we get the benefit of piggybacking on their reference. So you know, the way. Atta Lena's dressed moved. We had a load of material that we were able to look at. So in that context. Yes, Kubo was very was very much that way. Like, I looked at a lot of curious our films 'cause we had to figure out how we were going to control KOMO knows. And you know, there's a reason that there hasn't been a whole lot of, you know, loose loose fabric right characters and installed motion because it's a nightmare. But you know, I looked at a lot of care Salva stuff red beard, seven samurai, your, JIMBO. And so yes, sometimes we look a lot of historical reference. Other times we piggyback on what what costume will do we shoot all sorts of reference? So the costume department. Also will buy fabrics and dresses and costumes for us that we'll shoot reference on stage it we'll put it, you know, and what your animator and walk around. So we can see the, you know, how the weight of a fabric moves and that kind of reference we do and if appropriate will. Due historical reference. But a lot of that, you know, I'm able to piggyback from other departments reference, which is quite nice just a big big family in that sense. They love it because you do have a little bit of a a unique view having worked on so many of these important films. I'm wondering what you think are some of the most significant moments in stop motion, and you can make that the history of stop motion or just within your career or both. If you wanna do each. All right. Well, let's see, you know, I think we'll so Bryant for King Kong. Yeah. Huge George pal people. You're kind of scams by sometimes like people forget about George Powell and and the puppeteer sins, and he was really the the originator replacement animation. And I think given what we're doing now with the faces it's pretty significant because to me Ray, Harry house, and of course, Rankin and bass. We all my generation grew up with the Christmas specials on TV, which was really sort of my first introduction to to stop motion without really knowing what it was right. You know, and and going back to Harry house, and you know, but mighty Joe young and seven four inches of Sindbad. You know, I always thought this films were cool. But I don't think it really stood out to me and pill clash of the titans with remember my aunt taking me and looking back. That was again, I didn't know what stop motion was. But there was something that I loved about that film and looking back. It was the stop motion effects till tip. It of course. Yeah. For all the stuff and the Tontons and empire, and I'll talk about. Ever. Oh, great. Yeah. So great. And when I discovered stop motion in school. It was really wilbon, you know, with with brea, California, raisins, and you know, that was the place. I always wanted to work with women studios. So that was pointed for me for me. And of course, you know, Henry Henry silicon tempered and for nightmare before Christmas. I really kind of look at as as sort of put in stop motion back on the math because that's sort of was the beginning of this next wave of stop motion. Yeah, it was nightmare. And then it was James. And then there was a lull. And then it really picked up with the work that argument was doing and then corpse bride which began my ride. Which has been you know, I feel so fortunate and lucky to been on this, right? You know, I mean, it's goods. Let's see corpse Corp Sikora line fantastic. Mr Fox paranormal box turtles Kubo, Iowa dogs missing link. You could just lie down at this point people. Be like, wow, it's an impressive career. It's a yeah. I've done. No. I mean, the exciting thing is, you know, we're step. We've just finished missing Lincoln hasn't even come out yet. We're starting to do development on film six which I'm so jazzed about I can't say anything about it. But it's so exciting to get to work on projects here like where we're continuously trying to push what's possible in the medium. And it keeps it keeps it fresh keeps it fun. It keeps it inspiring. And. Yeah. Just feel incredibly incredibly lucky. Yeah. You're doing all this stuff that historians in another fifty or one hundred years it'll be like, I can't believe they pulled this off just pretty cool to think about that. Is are you like that's a little too much? I can't think. I do think I do think sometimes, you know. I I think about just like a and the stuff that we're doing and how are films don't necessarily fit in the in the same box and all other animated films do and I hope that history. Smiles, you know, brightly on what we're doing. Can't imagine it won't. I have another question. This sort of builds on something you talked about when we first started speaking about having people working under you that are, you know, were inspired by the films, you were making earlier in your career and a lot of creative industries and particularly animation. Both like two d and three d as well as what you guys are doing. I think there is the sort of baked in like almost old school guild style mentor ship where one generation shares their knowledge in what they've developed with the next generation, but I find also there's often just historical knowledge that's passed along defined. That's that's true. And is that something you think about and that you wanna make sure? Future. Animators in your field know, what's come before them, or do you just want to enable them to do amazing work, and they'll figure out the history on their own. I I don't think that they need to figure it out all on their own. I think we try to share those things. It's interesting. Lot of the people that come here. You know? Well, everybody who comes here. So in tune with the history of stop motion that the the coolest thing to share is. I mean, we're in the midst of an evolution of an art form right now, and and myself, and in a bunch of my peers here have also been in this, you know, in this journey together. So one of the things I've been talking to my animators about I think I touched on earlier a lot of our journey was sort of based on working our way, climbing our way to the top of this stop motion mountain if you will with if you look at like as at the top of what we're doing right now, I used to think that the, you know, working on television shows was the path, you know, you you're animated every day as fast as you can. And you're you know, you're building a library of. Technique the library of instincts on what what to do. But now you have these, you know, kids coming straight out of school that have this incredible talent. And they're stepping off the ski lift at the top of the mountain, but they don't have any of those other experiences. So, you know, everybody works in a way that they you don't think about it. Like, it's it's just sort of an innate way of of working, you know, you don't think of how you're moving the puppet or how you're setting up your unit as being special, but what I'm realizing? That's the important information. We need to start sharing to these younger kids. I've I've really sort of put out a challenge to my animators to start breaking down your techniques. Start breaking down how you approach his shot. Start breaking down. You know, how you move a puppet? And let's start sharing that with the kids that don't know that that haven't had to work their way up from television who were starting their journey right here. The top and are going to just keep pushing. Towards the sky. It's fascinating. It's really interesting to to have that perspective shift about what I thought you had to do versus where we are now. And now what we have to do to help that group whose journey is starting at the top. I find it really exciting and really cool. And it's interesting because I'm still trying to get my head around the best way to do that last. But not least I was lucky enough to chat with Chris Butler who wrote and directed missing link as well as one of my all time favorite films pair Norman kind of dorky paranormal fan girl moment before any of the stuff that you're about here. He also the screenplay for Kubo and the two strings at also turns out he loves history. So this talk covered important moments in stop motion history as well as contextualising a story in a historical setting and grappling with win words came into being versus when the story is set. So right out of the gate. I didn't actually really think about this. When I mentioned to my. Husband that I was going to be talking to you. He was like asking why he does so many history movies. And I was like what? And then I realized that the movies that you have written in your time at lake oh all do have a pretty significant history element. Are you secretly a history? Nerd it is no secret. I am. I am unapologetic about it. I wish more people where obsessed with history because then we might actually let something. I mean, I feel the same obviously. But it's always a delight. When you meet someone in the wild who you might not anticipate is a history nerd, so are you consciously including historical elements in your films, or does it is it just so natural for you to be thinking that way that that just comes out. It definitely taught of may. It's it's it's in my DNA. So I don't think I'd be able to avoid it. But I also think when you when you're writing and movie particularly animation. You know, you you creating a well, but you want to be compelling that you want to draw in an audience. So that they believe in it. They have to believe what the seeing on the screen in order to be invested in it, you, you know, you're already step removed without a nation because you you're showing the audience something that is different from reality. And I think what helps in audience is something to hook onto and quite often that is historical detail. Suddenly. With this movie acting link it takes place in the Victorian age. And sometimes you have to get across a lot of information in a relatively short time, for example, because of constraints all off time and cost. I I answer establish the city of London very very quickly and ultimate also to establish what time period, it was though immediately think of Victorian London, you think are a handsome cabs ho strong costs. Tell Pat the there's a whole bunch of historical signifies that everyone knows everyone's aware of and throwing them all into one shot, you immediately get the audience on your side, you they immediately know where they are it might be super stylized, but they get it. You don't have to say London. Eighteen eighty eight you just have to have a show of host drunk cops. Right. But that that's it for me. That's what. That's what the history thing. Is you use it to give the audience that recognition? So that they know where they all night feel comfortable with what they watching. And I think that goes the thing even if it's like a fantasy movie they're all spent and things that you you you lean on to create that tapestry, you know, family. It's something that, you know, Deborah cook. As an example in the the costume stuff. She does exhaustive historical research on on the reference that she brings into it. Immediately gives you well festival. It's clamp. It gets the -cation. And it gives it that, you know, if you make something up, I think it shows if you use real life as an inspiration ultimate typically gets credence that I think is taught to ape, you know, continent to just come up with. Yeah. Turning a little bit too. Just the history. Industry when I have had the good fortune to talk to for example to d in three d animators. I just find that they all seem to have a pretty strong sense of the history of their industry. And I'm wondering if you feel that the same is true for stop motion. Yeah, I think it is. I think he's probably because when was certainly my generation, and before when you know, a kid, and you fest Expos to automation and Mike actually to animation. I this kind of like magic spell that's cast. And you're like, you're young creative mind is thinking I need to know what this is I need 'cause I want to do this. And so you'll you'll you instantly start trying to find out everything you can about the and because I'm old for me. You know, you you can just Google it. So it meant going out and buying books and watching every behind the scenes footage of every animated. Maybe you could possibly thank you know, you you. There's a hunger that comes with that intr-. Because you want to know everything about it. So I think you you also mathematically anyone who's in animating automatically had that in them. I think I think that's where it comes from with me with a stop motion. I think it's also because the history of it is so rich an enjoyable, and it's something that you see all the time. Like, everyone has seen the AT IT will cause then in Empire Strikes Back. That's don't ocean everyone had seen, you know rate. Harry house and creatures in all the, you know, skeleton find Jason the August that's out there. And it it it's very easy to say. So I I think it's easy to comb invested in the history of this medium. So when you're renting a story like missing link, which I think is pretty clearly a very sprawling period piece, and I know you mentioned some of Deborah's research, but what kind of historical research. Do you do? I actually loved the research Pau because I love reading. I love finding treasures and books or reference books. Photographic book. I use it as an excuse to just buy stuff. So for the movie, and you know, bear in mind, I being writing they on and off for many many years. So over that time, I've accumulated so many books, I could not even tell you how many cello comes books. I have read even the one, but an all by Conan Doyle, I'm bread everything. And it it is an era than I love it very easy to me to do that. And I'll buy, you know, kids picture books because they get across usually with imagery at that period in a very succinct way out by DVD's, everything that I can get my hands on that's out of that period. There was no just kind of dry nonfiction. I will try and. Dive into any fiction. That's a sudden time as well. Because that's really what we're doing telling stories. So you kind of for me, you'll be a starting point for this was lost horizon, which you know, obviously, the it's the first mention of Shangri law. In fact, I think it was written in nineteen t to ninety eight trae I could be wrong. But that was obviously an important starting point for me because I'm writing a story about says Shangri law. So obviously, I read that. And then I followed that up by watching the movies of that. And there are certain aspects of those movies that have really nothing to do with history other than the positive the history of cinema. But I lean on that a little bit as well. So for example, the first budgen all lost arrives in the black and white movie, which is problematic in so many ways not least of which is that Shangrila is quite clearly an deco mansion in. LA? But as aspects of that that I try and get some off deco into the design all Shangri, LA in the movie, they're all white dove in the black and white version everywhere. And so, of course, I white doves on the balcony and by yeti temple. So I think if cherry picking it's cherry picking what I want. What I like when I find amusing or what I think enriches, and sometimes I'll read a law, and maybe only use can sense of it. Because that's the other thing is like, you know, you want something to to make your setting credible. But you don't want to alienate of you by being to flavor this to reality. I mean, this is a story about a token Bigfoot dressed as a man, wait. Are you telling me that's not a real thing? Well. Could be a London. But you know, what? I mean, it's like at some point you you can say, okay, if I'm no realistic with it. I'm gonna example Bigfoot, and this was one that I wrestled where the low because I do take history seriously and the use of the word Bigfoot did not start until the nineteen fifties. I think in American journalism, and I think the the Patterson footage wasn't until nineteen sixty something. So a lot of the ideas, we have a big as a creature came from the middle of the last century. Now, obviously, I'm I'm starting a lot before that. But I did for while I wrestled with I'm not gonna use the web Bigfoot because it was used by then. So Lionel himself is a creek that you just back term didn't exist until the you know, the middle of last century. But there's a point where you like does it. Matter. Right. So how he ended up making making a joke on Bigfoot? When Lionel holds up the cast of the foot one of the guys in the club. Ooh, that's a big foot. And that was that was my way of noting to the fact that historical accuracy. But also trying to have a bit of fun with as well, probably think way too much about this stuff. But if people ask me, I certainly have reasons for all these decisions. I mean at the end of the day. You're a storyteller right now, do you as a director are you ever at odds with your writer self when it comes to grounding something like the yeti temple in a historically set piece of fiction or do those two sides of yourself play pretty nicely together. They play pretty nicely with with me, depending on where I I mean, obviously, what might tastes change, my my ideas change over time. And if I'm writing something for a long time, they can change quite a lot. But the Yankee temple an example, you know. I both going to be delicate in lot of my decisions because we're not just talking about history as it pertains to me culturally, but we're talking about the history of other coaches for the temple Shangri was an invention of an author, but based on Shambala, and the you know that that has an important in in Buddhism. So I wanted to make it clear that I'm not trying to make this the Shambo of a specific religion or faith. You know, what I'm trying to do is create something that separate from that. But you could see why people can associate the two when it came to the design of the temple. I wanted to almost suggest that like yetis, you know, being a man eventually, we're like the square root of different cultures. So we reference Jane them we reference Buddhism intensive I'll contractual style. And this is really, you know at this point. I am this but to the production designer, and I talk about what might all. And it's a story point in the movie which actually comes from luster rise. And that people who live in Shangri, LA don't age when in fact in this movie, it then often, mortal, they yetis, and they all still primitive man, if that makes sense. So I wanted to not to that. And that's why we kind of go. Well, if we backtrack from certain architectural styles and combine them almost like the square roots help them what could that look like it's almost like if you were designing Atlantis or, you know, some of them fantastical place, but you you wanted to be believable enough. So you do borrow from different designs different styles. And I thought Nelson did a really Tecate to job in finding the looks of that thing. I would concur that says it was mind blowing beautiful shifting back to kind of the industry. In your opinion. What's been the most significant development in stop motion film during your career? Like, what is the thing that future? Historians will be like this was the moment that the industry shifted. I think it's two things. Generally. I think it's digital technology. Digital effect have enabled us to tell different kinds of stories install ocean, you know, don't motion traditionally with limited scope and scale 'cause you have physical assets you have a puppet on a set. You'll limited how big that public can be how big that that can be. So I think if you look historically, you can see that in the kinds of story, but stop motion was telling can I think digital technology has allowed to kind of knock down the wolves. With CG extras, digital sex engines, we can paint on a much bigger canvas. And I know if I've just in terms of the the the complexity of the animated. Because the so much that clean up that can be done digitally any tens of rigging puppet, rigging that has changed the face of stop motion animation. No doubt. But I think for me specifically, it would be facial animation replacement places and breezy printing vices that has enabled us to aspire to a level of nuance and sophistication in Jing facial acting that I think wasn't really possible before. I mean, you get some great practical facial animation installed motion you can achieve that. But I think we took it to a whole level. And actually, it's one of the things, but I'm most proud of with missing link is I think we approached the level of acting in the face Lynam ation that is like nothing that's being single or install motion. You know, even the idea of up until this. Movie we had like a kit system for the faces where we would build a dialog out of different faces. But we're in a kind of library with this movie. Everything's bespoke every shop as being independently animated unprinted, though, every performance is very much specific to that line of dialogue. And I don't think that been seen before and stop motion. That's amazing. I two evidence your answer as prepping for this. I was rewatching Kubo and I had to posit at one point and kudos kind of jumping through the air. And I thought oh he would hate seeing that picture himself because he's making a really weird face. And then I went oh my God. They made him make a really weird face so kudos you. It was very strange kind of meta moment. You know? I recently had a similar thing. And that's when I feel competent in that. We've done our job. Right. I, you know, I've watched this movie again, and again, and again, hundreds and hundreds of times attendance watch every week while we will make because you need not kind of global perspective. But just a couple of months ago. I was watching the scene. It was the same with Lionel and link on the ship and just per second. I caught myself. But if I completely believe that these marriages were having a conversation, and that's what I want any. I be old even for just a second. If I forget that I'm supposed to be doing a job. I'm then then doing something. Right. You know? Yeah. Incidentally, Chris was exactly right in his guests as to the year that the book lost horizon came out. It was nineteen thirty three. So Finally, I want to jump back to my interview with orient center. Just for a moment to close this episode out because I wanted to get her take on how today stop motion animation is going to look from the vantage point of the future. So when historians of the future look back at this era in the industry, and maybe even your career. What do you hope stands out? Oh. I just I hope what stands out is that we made great movies. I mean, that's that's it really are. I believe just like we're talking about Rudolph are movies really endure their personal and their universal. They look great a decade later. You know, we just showed Coralline at this big concert hall here, the snits or in Portland, and it was a, you know, a sold out crowd. People are still interested in that movie. And I think that's true of a lot of stop motion animations, I hope that you know, I hope future generations, find them interesting and watch them and share them. And you said it's a heavy question. I think that none of us really have the luxury of sitting back and assessing what we do or its impact while you're doing it. But I would say that you do we do try to make as much meaning into these movies as we go along and hoping that people find it, you know, relatable, meaningful and. Off often food for thought many many thanks to everyone at like for sharing their time and thoughts and the love of their craft with us in case. It's not abundantly obvious the whole experience of getting to visit their set and speak with the people whose work I have been admiring for years. An absolute joy for me. It felt like an early birthday present missing link is opening this weekend April twelfth. So if you're in the mood for a stylish round the world rump. 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Byte James Gurney

Sci-Fi Talk

05:23 min | 1 year ago

Byte James Gurney

"Hi Welcome to season two of bite. This is Tony Tiller. Parenting apocalypse it's it's not the same way that. You know how it works any views usually two to four minutes long, but sometimes they can be a little longer only when you when you live long enough, all kinds of strange things happen. Very right in saying that the Greek heroes the original superheroes. In part because of the hopeful nature of genes vision, but also because of its message of diversity inclusion. I love world, building and someone who did an amazing job of. It was illustrator and writer James Gurney. Did you think back in nineteen? ninety-two two Dinah Tokyo would become what it is today. I had no idea at all. In fact when I was doing the paintings for Diner Topa I was doing pictures that I was intentionally doing to make impossible to make in a live action I knew that in the Star Wars era, it was hard to do the water effects, and to do people writing creatures are always the toughest thing to do so I deliberately plan these big epic scenes of Waterfall City and a parade with dinosaurs, because this will never be made into live action, and just about then of course, the digital revolution was starting to happen and. I realized that maybe it would be possible took a long time, but. I think that hallmark entertainment is really gone all out to make dining topi translate to the screen. As very exciting and actually to kind of go back to your work, and we'll definitely cover the miniseries as well, but I think what impressed me, too is the amount of research that you do on on diagnosing looking at fossil's. Doors at the correct scale. Spokane actually Allah Dean Foster at one time and I know he's travelled a bit, and you do as well to kind of get that look of the city. The city is of Diner Topi as well. Yeah kind of specializes an artist in painting, realistic scenes of things that can't be photographed whether it's a historical scene from National Geographic. Or fantasy of something that we know must exist out there, but no one has ever seen I end to do that means getting a lot of of models and elements and people in Costume, and whatever it takes to essentially do almost like a single frame from from A. Movie and the fun thing about being an artist. Is that working away in your studio? You can do? All those things can be the writer and the director and the lighting person, and and put the whole thing together. Which one is your favorite dinosaur to draw? I really like Stegosaurus, because it's the most outlandish dinosaur, and when you spent a Lotta time coming up with alien design and the thing about nature. There are things in the fossil record weirder than anything. You could imagine stegosauruses one although it's a bear. Dry stegosaurus is tough because all those different plates are in different angles, and you have to just keep racing redrawing it till you get it right, but. Nevertheless I. that's one of my favorite dinosaurs. Was this a boyhood something that you liked as a boy? The dinosaurs right for me. I got into him because of a gentleman named Harry Housing Yeah I did love dinosaurs as a kid, and of course in those days they were seen as cold, blooded reptiles who lived in the swamp and I remember the picture in the time life book had the brackish source with the whole body underwater, because just the head sticking out because they said. Said well can't hold up its own weight. It could never do that and it wasn't. Until I became an adult that the new theories came along presenting dinosaurs as dynamic and warm blooded and intelligent, and just recently in the last few years. The bird dinosaur connection has really solidified so that we realize that dinosaurs had a lot of behaviors and mannerisms, and even looked a lot like birds, instead of like reptiles, that science of dinosaurs is very very much a part of Diana Topi. And Talking to paleontologists about the waves of popular interest very often, they follow these renaissance periods of discoveries which were were still in. And Dining Topa is just one way of playing without idea. What if dinosaurs are bird like dynamic and intelligent? What if we? If they were smart. What if they were wise and kind of benefit us? Somehow speaking of that I'm sure you've seen the famous I think even the Museum of Natural History in New York area here where the t rex is like standing up almost fully erect, and obviously we've found out that hey might not be that way. Part of what I love about dinosaurs is what we don't know about them. We know what the structure of their bones looks like we. We have a few skin impressions, but we don't know how. They sounded really how they moved or what color they were for a while. People were saying that Toronto could run forty miles an hour, and now an article comes out a couple of weeks ago. They'd say now they could just walk about ten miles an hour at the most, and who knows but being an artist. You talked to all the scientists and let them make their case to you and then. What seems to feel right. And what what fits with the latest discoveries, so that aspect of them as creatures of fantasy, as it were I love because we know they were real, but they require our imagination to bring them into being again. Dina Topa is available, and even spawned a series of movies and TV special. For Bite, this is Tony Talada.

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220 - Monster Manual

MonsterTalk

1:05:43 hr | 7 months ago

220 - Monster Manual

"Monster house percents monster talk can be supported this like you with patriot. Dot com forward slash. Munster talk or by leaving positive reviews on itunes and other podcasting sites. Learn more at monster. Talk dot org slash support. Thanks to all of you. Who are supporting us in this way. We are humbled and grateful and hope that we always live up to or exceed expectations. What is it some sort of computer game a sense except the most powerful processor known to man the human mind you wanna play. I'm not a player. But i am playing. He sort of tells us what's happening. I will be your guide through. My words will experience the land of elfin heart from the mighty mountains that border the goblin wasteland to the sewers. That run like a spiderweb. Three the city of janelle gentlemen will be your is unlike anything we've ever seen before giant. Mary nash twenty four mile. Long lake in highlands creature known as the loch ness monster dole. Welcome to monster. Talk the science show about monsters. I'm blake smith and i'm karen stalls sner in the summer of two thousand sixteen. America was captivated by the adventures of a plucky gang of kids in the imaginary town of hawkins indiana their story. The plot of the series centered around a secret government facility that conducted illegal and unethical experiments resulting in horrific paranormal outcomes. The main plot the show was built on real events. Like the cia efforts at mind control and fictional events like the legends around something called the montauk project we will likely dig into that stuff more in the future but before any of stranger things main plot begins. We're given a smaller. Narrative centered around gaming table in the basement of one of the suburban home. We're going to go to a clip advised. The kids here have potty mouths. Things coming shadow grows on the wall behind. You swallow you. Darkness is almost here. What is it. What if it's the demagoguery four. So screw if it's the demagoguery dumber gorging in an army of trouble charge to the chamber told you at that soun- boom boom truck is snow. That i came something else. Shit i don't know where both thirteen or higher whiskey kester projections don't be a pussy. Fireball cast protection. The jerry going to of his silly human bickering. It's shop swords you there. So did you hear the names of those monsters. Troglodyte s- demagoguing for many people. These are not just named for cave dwelling prehistoric peoples or for a specific demon mentioned in milton as an interesting aside. current theory. Is that the name democ organ was actually created. When so misspelled the greek word dimiar the name of the creator of the physical world with nonstick christianity than acknowledging typo subsequent readers deduced. It meant something special. that's that's so co faye faye statistically it's likely most people today encounter these words in the context of dungeons and dragons. Dnd is foundational framework for the modern role playing game ecosystem. Or maybe that's geico system but the foundational book for dispensing information about monsters in that game is the monster manual today. We're going to talk about the history of that book and of roleplaying games and we know that not all of our listeners are gamers not all of your talks hosts are either so today. I'll be playing the role of a gamer and care. And we'll be the proxy questioner for all you. Non gamers out there and we have a fantastic guide for this adventure author. John peterson whose book playing at the world has been used as a course text for understanding the history of the modern role playing game phenomenon. We'll be discussing monsters and gaming so you know you're in for some more sturt doll today. We're gonna be talking with john peterson. Who's the author of playing at the world. A history of simulating wars people and fantastic adventures from chester roleplaying games and he was also a contributor to the recent retrospective volume looking at the game dungeons and dragons art in our cana- a visual history. Which is an absolutely gorgeous book. I think to be blunt monster. Manual was a gateway to the world of mythology monsters to many of our listeners. And many of them it even read myths are sort of fictional volumes and sort of informed that book they were reading about the stats busters to play roleplaying games. But now we have this opportunity to talk to someone. Because i've been trying to find someone to talk about the monster manual relate your the game book the monster manual and i. I was really around to different people and ken height said. Don't talk to me. Talk to john peterson. He's the guy to get. And so we reached out to you. And i'm so glad that you decided to join us. A welcome to monster talk. Well thanks so much for having me. Blake and karen. Yeah i it's obviously very flattering can height with direct. You guys me. that's awesome. We presume that you came to gaming as a gamer. But i know that sounds strange but somehow you move beyond that in have become sort of an expert on gaming itself in chronically historical way that it came to be what it is now. How did that happen. Yeah so i mean the story. I typically tell about this Which i think is mostly true. Is that back in. You know in two thousand four. Something really traumatic happened to a lot of gamers. A game was released called world of warcraft. It kind of took over our lives and meet us unable to do anything for a considerable amount of time afterwards and some friends of mine staged intervention actually We were going to england to go to an indie rock festival there. But we're staying over in london for a couple of days and while we were there in the british museum. And i happened to see and display case this first century. Ad roman twenty sided die. You know. I kind of had this moment than i wonder. Just how far back everything went. How far back the things. I was living in goro. Craft went and kinda the thing. I immediately seized upon the question. Okay there must have been someone in history who is like the first person to roll the die against some kind of a statistical model a chart that would decide fictional events based on the of the die roll in. Who was it like. Somebody must've written a book about this. Somebody must have figured this out long ago. And so i went looking for it and that was the path that led me to where i am today more or less as that you know. I got super obsessed with Answering dot in a set of related questions and The time that i had been squandering on world of warcraft. Kind of quickly transitioned into time is now squandering on vast amounts historical research. And then a couple years. I knew i was going to do playing at the world and Yeah once that came out. I just kinda got caught up in this. I think we've established already that. I'm not a gamer sir. All of this linger is to me and yet We've be talking about some games that i'm obviously familiar with things like chess and growing up a plight kinds of games and things like monopoly and trivial pursuit. But i guess my question is what is gaining. How do we distinguish the gaming that you guys are talking about As opposed to chess monopoly or other games. Yeah it's it's a valid question. I mean the division is not obviously a A very fast one. The sense of you know there. There's a sad. I guess of Games a cluster. That came out in the nineteen fifties. That i kind of starting popular gaming as we understand it in america And you know these came out at the same time as board games like Stratego and risk had started to reach american audiences but then then there was this kind of separate class of board games needs were made by companies like the avalon hill company being example who've made simulations of like the battle of gettysburg for example now these drew on whole rich tradition of conflict simulation that goes back to the early nine hundred in the late eighteenth century but these games of the first things a kind of made it part of an american especially youth culture movement and those people in the sixties as they experimented more with games the scope of simulation of these games started to grow. I really look at them as the first kind of gamers as we now understand gamers You know people that were part of an organized. Fan a hobby that had Magazines fanzines as they call them then conventions clubs and kind of the structures that got creative people together to think about strategies for these games sort of think about designing new ones themselves and this community more or less made the jump early to computers when computer and video games started and there are all kinds of fascinating lines of influence. We can draw between conflict simulation systems. That were built these tabletop games especially in the seventies and then the things we consider the i kind of computer games and was huge party fat and the sense. It was a lot of the d. community that gave these games something that kind of trends ended. I guess the arcade game approach of you know pinball you have coin operated game lasts less than ninety seconds so the next kid has put a quarter in kind of made them more story driven more of the games that are today the kind of aaa games that are produced that you know like the famously followed for can make seven hundred and fifty million dollars the first week weekend there. They're released right figures that make like hollywood jealous. And so yeah. I see that as being separate thing largely from the traditional chess or even board games like stratego and risk This this was a hobby that was built again on more of a foundation of of simulation. And that that of course made it easy for it to make the jump to computers. There's such a fascinating aspect to gaming as a form of abstract modelling of a scenario whatever that scenario whether it's a war game or a strategy sort of tactical economic game. Whatever it is that you basically sitting up rules and trying to play out a scenario which is an abstract model and of course basically what computers do is allow you to do very meticulously controlled abstract modeling as well. So i think is a big fan of computer history i. I've always been fascinated by the story of the history of the game space war which was based on the fictional works of e. Docs smith also no no no no relation and he's a doctor but he was like a doctor of food science and so interesting he's he's treated with vindication by early science fiction writers and readers but his his expertise was in. I think making doughnuts. But they're fun books but i was just thinking about the You yearbook also covers the plato system. Peel a te'o And i've there are actually at least one Active plato system still in existence. That you can get log in to mess around with and i've taken the time a few years ago to get a log in and go play. Some of his old plano games and among them was a game called d. Which models the dungeons the dragons game. It was identical to a game. That was so-called telling guard which you could buy at stores and there's some really interesting history there. I might do some sort of little special bonus future about that because there's quite a story around that but You were really here to talk about the monster manual to some extent and you wrote in your book that i don't know why that long ramble there. But i just love this stuff. I'm not having talked about. I love space plato. And all that stuff. So yeah i mean. Mit had a vibrant conflict simulation. club that was in parallel to speaks. Were in the nineteen sixties. Not all these lines of interconnection between them. There's table top versions of space for the digital dragons sex you talked about the work of t h white in doing a translation of a twelfth in them going to say the word isn't pronounced best area bestiary always been a little unclear on that like it's primer primer. A we usually say these days. We usually say these okay. So he's he's looking at a twelfth century theory t h white as and he makes the translation of it and that somehow becomes part of the sort of the monster manual in some ways. The security guy. How did this happen. What's the relationship between those books. Yeah i mean this kind of a long story in some respects. But i mean the monster. Manual member came out about three years after deity was first published right. There was kind of this original box. Set of dean. The came out in nineteen seventy four in the monster. Manual kind of began to show where the game was evolving towards. It was the first book and what we call the advanced dungeons and dragons series and it. Yeah it's it is its own bestiary. Right it's a compendium of three hundred fifty monsters that have been researched and so on but when you wind the clock back just you know three more years. Nineteen seventy four. I mean you'll find that. You know gary guy gak his compatriots people like dave arnesen. Who are working on you know. They knew monsters largely from fiction right. They knew monsters from having read tolkien or a robert. E howard or anderson and you know they t h white obviously written a book called once and future king. That was pretty well known in fantasy circles at the time and so his work became one of several sources that they ended up raiding to find more monsters to populate their dungeons wilderness because there was a racist appetite for new things to slay and dot com. And so you know when you look at what we started with indian d. It's a pretty small sat compared to what's in the monster manual but a lot of those things are things that they found in t h white in. There's a book that's called a fantastic bestiary. That's by lehner. That is another thing has an index in the back that we can tell they rated kind of cobble together some of the first monsters that they put forward and so it it was. I think a real mash up mash of okay. I read this pulpy fantasy novel. And i m paul anderson trolls work. And so we're going to have trolls be like this. But then i was watching something. Harry housing animated sindbad or jason. The argonauts and yet skeletons iron ghulam and like all these amazing things in it they. Data's drew from absolutely everything they could find so Yeah i think like is is getting very excited about this topic. And he's concerned that maybe we've we've made too much of it. Be jumping that we should pull back and go back to the beginnings of a little bit. More obser- maybe we could talk about how we've gone from games like chess toward gaming's tool gaming into dungeons and dragons and have that progressions. I got a little over stuff a lot but we can talk anyway. You want and put it right so this is true so yeah so we can talk a bit about chess and war games and things like that. When when i started trying to figure out the origins of simulation the origins of the idea that people would use kind of probability and implements have chance to decide fictional events in a way that was based on some some kind of like scientific model. It took me back to prussian creek spiel and so the the creek bill that was developed in germany. That creeks spiel. Is that just means. War game The the creek tradition in germany sprang from chasse. When there's a whole era in. I guess the early early modern renaissance period where people viewed chasse as a tool for learning statecraft tool for strategy tool for just indoctrinating people into proper ways of bolstering defenses and making attacks. Now it just is is an abstract training tool but a lot of people found that unsatisfactory. There were military scientists who wanted to try to adapt chess into something that would more accurately reflect what a contemporary battlefield was like. Because let's face it. You know the veering. Bishops and rooks. That shuffle along and you know the queen the queen who can dominate the field and the king can only cowardice castle. You know aren't necessarily reflective of the infantry artillery and cavalry that they had say in the the seventeenth century even and so people started looking at. Can we adapt the chessboard. We make the chessboard. Bigger for one thing. So it's not just this eight eight grade but maybe it should be one hundred hundred grit and maybe we should be able to people with pieces that move the way that infantry moves today or that can carry that can move faster than infantry or artillery that can shoot at things from a distance and to develop systems for you know maneuvering and this and resolving events that would actually train people to be able to to to to prosecute wheel wars at the time cool. It's interesting we using the interesting a lot tonight what i made it. Why so. I remember as a child fairly young going to Some of our bigger malls in one of them had a sort of store called sort of the phoenix which sold Roleplaying games because this was late seventies but they also were still primarily selling tabletop war gaming stuff in there. Were all kinds of metal miniatures. I assume they were led back then. I'm not really sure but And i knew that people were playing some kind of game. But i really wasn't clear on how you play a game in how much of it was just about painting minis and i'm still sometimes when i look at people playing war hammer. I'm still quite sure. How much of it is about painting miniatures. And how much of it's about trying to win battles but it does seem to be a broad spectrum of styles and approaches that kind of combines a really a lot of different sort of hobbies that can be met like the sort of things you can do with these hobbies. I mean some people really like roleplaying games to take on roles and do acting in an improv and some people like to do really intense tactical combat and some people like to paint managers. It's a it's a broad spectrum of of a pastime. I guess all bundled into one big title gaming hobby right fair enough. Yeah i mean if you go back to the origin of what we consider a hobby gaming. No h. g. wells as the first name that you come to because wells proposed away using toy soldiers of the kind that you know you would have in a typical middle class british nursery of his day and kind of being able to marshal those and something that approximates those more complex like prussian kinds of games. But you know easy to resolve and very playable as we say not so much focused on the realism. The simulation of events as the playability just being able to kind of resolve things and have fun tactical battle and you know once miniatures got into the equation. There were a number of firms that became very interested in developing rules for miniature wargames In the sense that if you look at a company like avalon hill that sold basically board games in the nineteen fifties. Everything needed to play in the box. You bought the box. You had everything you need to you in order to play the game. But you know somebody like jack. Scooby who in the nineteen fifties was manufacturing military miniatures in california. He wanted to develop rules in order to encourage people to buy his first aid. Because if you need to buy two hundred. Nature is in order to feel this battle. You know jack. Scrubby has a a nice pay day and so for him rules for something that kind of joined together the process of buying figures painting them and then playing with them so so at some point we i guess the general narrative is you've got very serious tactical models and serious board games a based on trying to recreate military battles or anything. And then you've got the gary guy gaps and dave arniston people who want to add fantasy you know. Throw wizard out there with the other people is. That is that an over simplification. Is that how we got to dungeons and dragons out of the war gaming world. It's certainly a big part of it. in nineteen seventy-one gary. Gog axe released. What was the first kind of commercial set of rules for fantasy. Gaming was game called chain mail that he wrote with the guiding jeff perrin and perrin had developed a medieval combat system l. a. lot of the War games that were popular in the sixties. We're really focused on Much later periods of history. There are focused on refighting things from the civil war from world war one world war two going back to medieval rules was rarer. There were a few people who are doing it but not many and you know what they ended up doing tacking on this. Fantasy supplement to this book chainmail. There was about a third of the box. It wasn't just a a couple of pages stapled onto the end but this was the birthplace. They detailed here's rules for work or wizard or a dragon. Or you know things like that. And they drew again largely on tolkien. On robert e howard's conan books bid on michael moore cock and things like that. And that created the initial impetus for fantasy gaming as kind of an industry in america. Nine hundred seventy one okay. So for me. Who's outside of the community. Not really familiar with any of the the monsters of dungeons and dragons Could you tell us about some of the most iconic monsters in if i might know of some just through history will Destroy hearing about these these characters. Yeah i mean. Works are big indian d. or colds and dragons and things like that they're the ones that became most iconic. Frankly are probably ones that were invented for the game. Good example of this would be like them bind flare who's a catholic guy who's got like tentacles for a mouth and he's He has sonic so he can mind. Blast you things like that or In other would be the beholder. Which is this kind of floating sphere with eyes on stalks has these eight is stocks on its head. And then there's one huge central. I in the middle of the spherical body and each of its little is stocks can shoot raise that have different effects in the game. They're all bad. You don't wanna get hit by any of them. Spaghetti monster Some of us some of us are true believers there but You know if you look at for example the current monster manual. The one that's been released for fit the dash done dragons. The beholder is on the cover. It is is become one of the most iconic dandy monsters at some point. They took this concept of obesity airy and created the monster manual and it sounds like they're mining just about anything in order to get material right so keep talking about the like the first versions of the book and how it's changed over time. I'm sure so. I mean the first version is really trying to gather a bunch of stuff that head unfortunately been scattered across a pretty wide spread of periodicals rulebook supplements and things like that. So you know the reason. They had to do a compendium. A real kind of taxonomic compendium. These monsters was because they'd been you know they had this magazine. They call it the dragon for example and there would be monsters in each issue of the dragon. But if you're trying to remember when you're playing the game where a given monster was was that in the grayhawk supplement wizardry. Was that in the original game. Was that in dragon number three know you had a significant problem so the system which the monster man was the first installment really tried to gather all that together now they did. Add some things in for it. Frankly most the things. They added sores. Or you know you need rules for like a badger. There's a lot of just kind of animals. Frankly that got added at that stage of ed. And you know they're they were just trying to be complete. Provide a complete simulation of the kinds of monsters that you will encounter inevitably as soon as it came out though people were coming up with more more issues. The dragon republished and so there was this magazine in the uk called white dwarf that was affiliated the time with the people who published dnd and they had their own column that was dedicated to introducing new monsters never issue and those ended up getting bound into a volume called the fiend folio which came out in one thousand nine hundred one and then enough monsters have been published. You know two years later. They had a monster manual to you. Know the monster manual to had an index where you could find monsters across the original monster manual and the and the monster manual two and it just gets worse from here like every addition of dnd that was subsequently there will be an original monster manual but then there would be no all these editions. You could get to it. They actually in second edition. it's interesting they. They basically just gave you a binder that you could clip more pages into and then sold just more pages three whole binder ready that you could stick into your binder and you know you could fill multiple binders with all the monsters. They ended up to finding. I mean i've heard of red dwarf not white dwarf star hotel size of some billy. Yeah i feel out of my depth here talking about these topics I think a question that's come to mind is. I'm just trying to think because again. I haven't been a part of the community in any way. But when i was growing up in australia when i was a kid in the nineteen eighties. I'd hear a lot about dungeons and dragons and Adults talking about it in the news media talking about it and it just seemed like there was a lot of negativity surrounding at that point and Seen as something that people became obsessive about it was a very bad thing in some way and had lots of negative connotations and Links to i guess satanism kinds of things related to that. So i'm just wondering what is the link to bat again. These are just things that i'd kind of hear in the background without being involved in any way But i think this is something that blake wanted to talk about was the relation to the satanic panic in the nineteen eighties. But yeah. I grew up in time. Yeah so why was. It looked down upon by so many parents. And what was the problem with dainty d probably would have remained pretty obscure hobby. It wouldn't have crossed into the mainstream if it weren't for this one bizarre historical accident in nineteen seventy nine. There was a kid who was a university student in east lansing michigan who disappeared from his dorm room and the media the kind of private detective who've been hired to try to find him became fixated on the fact that he played dna and they believe that dna was responsible for his disappearance that he had become convinced it. This was real. And then he was in fact wandering the steam tunnels beneath the university trying to slay monsters and vine treasure and things like that and if that if he were and had been gone for so long he'd probably been killed by it and this became front page news for for about a week. Newspapers lead story's on nightly news america. Was this huge huge media now. Of course it turned out he had run away and was in louisiana and eventually when he heard about this he called his parents. And you know kind of kind kinda came home but that created this dialogue. This narrative about dnd and that narrative would be borrowed by a lot of our religious fundamentalists over the coming years. That we're kind of dove tailing this all with the satanic panic as you described dumb and there. There were a whole series of these guys who put these tracks about it Who petitioned school boards to ban it and you know they certainly had the microphone of the media. Were able to You know problem. Those ideas. Far enough that they. I'm sure reached australia. And were i log there as well. It distinct interesting to hear about kind of diffusion across to other countries in But yeah. I wasn't familiar with that original story. Oh yeah it's it's a classic because the way it was described at the time that is so weird of why would you know. That's not the gaming world that i had seen. Nobody was dressing up yet. In many ways they're really describing early harping so the live action role playing. but i. i ran into a jack chick track for dark dungeons before i ever saw players handbook or any other game material. Yeah so that was the growing up in small town in georgia. That was they had just a delightful selection of chick tracts. My doctor's office. When i would have to go to the pediatrician. So ironically collected those. When i was a kid. I thought there are great. I some sure. I still have the ball somewhere folder. I mean this is sad. Because i mean i think it was harmful to the hobby but i absolutely loved the story there because the which is actually one that weirdly still goes on. Which the implication is that if you're playing dungeons and dragons or whatever. The dark dungeons game is inject chicks twisted imagination. You're really learning how to do real magic. And you're opening yourself up to a gateway where you're going to go down the path of you know demon subjugation in dark satanic cults and that sort of thing. Which is. I have to say if you're a person who's a seeker looking for power and you think you're going to get that out of a dungeons and dragons book. It's kind of disappointing to see its roll dice. Creature takes to die six damage. You know like i studied this quite a bit. I mean this is one of the things since it so integral to the history of india. That i've kind of endlessly poured through and you know the the fascinating thing about it. Is that when the dnb when the designers of the game decided to integrate in especially real world mythology to After the monster it will the next the next book. That was kind of a compendium like it. They released with something called deities and demigods This came out. You know in one thousand nine hundred eighty right. Around the time the satanic panic was kicking off and it contained detailed descriptions of mythological quote unquote but real world. Pantheon of gods now is mixed in. There's like lovecraft. Scott who stopped lx mellanby an stuff but then there's no norse mythology and does detail pagan things right and if you're a fundamentalist christian and you're seeing your child leaving through this thing that's discussing paganism it's entirely. They will surprising that you would say maybe there you know. Is there something to this right. Think we had on joe laycock who say religious studies professor and he wrote a dangerous and we talked a little bit about I guess there was a rumor at the time that there were stats in the book for jesus in that really upset a lot of people which i it's it's just i don't know moral panic. You know they. They always are completely disturbing depending when you're in the middle of them and they are ridiculous. In retrospect you know. And i mean. Yeah gary gary dave chief designers of d they were both christian identified christians and you know they certainly thought this was absolutely ridiculous that there was nothing to any of this notion that you're learning real magic or something but at the same time you know the month that james dallas egbert disappeared that kid in east lansing michigan. You know the the issue the dragon was giving stats for satan right. It's always i mean i i. I don't wanna make the case of the fundamentalists on this. But at least. I can understand their concerns were. I'm sorry to interrupt but what stats this is a good question and this gets into. I stumbled across it. No i mean this gets into what makes the way that d- looks at monsters. So unique and sell influential than we're some respects because monsters and literature can be pretty vague. You know when tolkien top. The ball rog for example famously. People argue about whether or not he meant it had wings and nobody can decide if it's supposed to have wings or not. Because he he describes it as a shadow. There's really not a lot of concrete detail but to put a monster into a simulation it has to be specific. Enough to simulate right. You know enough about it that the game system can interact with the monster and so what stats are stats are the quantification of attributes of a monster that let you confronted or charm it or you know interact with it in the system in some way so this will be things like it's hit points. Hit points are something that's been came from. India's tremendously influential in computer gaming. It's kind of the the bucket of endurance you have to withstand damage and it's always quantified indian d. So when you start out you might have just five or six hit points and a sword might be able to kill you the single blow but if you're fighting a dragon a dragon have hundreds of hit points and so if you were fighting with this org you might need to hit it. Hundreds of times to be able to defeat it and that aspect of how d. d. approaches monsters made people have to you know. Refi them in a way that really. You don't have to if you're just creating a math or even writing fiction about it you have to make it real enough to simulate and so who creates these stats and they something that evolve over time. They do so. I mean if you look across the multiple editions of even what the stats are changes. A bit over time but it's a designers game designer job the game designer stipulates what stats are but that much said who plays. The game is a little bit of a game designer themselves. Everybody invents their own monsters. But you kind of use the the prototypes. You see something like the monster manual where you can see what it's like to be something very powerful like a dragon or something very weak like a cobalt and you can you can kind of you know. Okay i think my monster should be a little bigger than a global but nowhere near as big as a dragon and so i'm going to give it this number of hit points. I'm going to give it this armor class when it hits you. It's going to do this much damage. And there are die rolls that you incorporate into the system to kind of stipulate how how many hit points of damage given head against a player character with do structural rule set so that everybody's playing on the same basis. Everyone has the same platform from which to approach the problem solving and in as you play with different groups. Everyone wants to have a different character. So there's these different character. Classes who have certain advantages and disadvantages in dungeons and dragons has the magic system so the people who use magic typically start weaker in physical combat stronger in magical ability. And the there's just like it's just a fascinating sort of this would appeal to listeners with a combination of history and mythology in monsters problem solving in. Yeah yeah it's it's got. There's usually pizza. I think that's always nice. So it's funny the project and the project that i'm i'm working on now it's actually about to be released next month. Is a cookbook for dungeons and dragons. True story Chinese food if you want to eat the tavern style meals dandy adventures and you can find recipes for put yield lords and ladies have a turkey leg. What wasn't really good show. I'm not sure if you guys are familiar with it. On youtube Schickel tasting history. And i can't remember the guy's name max miller or something and he Goes looks at historical cookbooks and makes recipes from these cookbooks and then goes into the history behind The foods and the people who ate them sir. Pretty interesting of it is interesting. Yeah they'll i think you'll find like within different gaming groups you have some people who want to just you know power grab and you know get the most treasurer which is not a real thing. Obviously it's imaginary treasure but you things that you win through combat or cleverness you can use to make your character more powerful which changes your stats which you know makes it possible to get more treasure and so on but some people want to achieve political goals within this imaginary system and some people will just want to have exciting fun and drama. Some people just wanna do money python quotes and distract from the progress. Indeed that it's the great thing about a system like dnd really play. it is always to be invented. It's a set of guidelines right that you that the people sitting around the table can use to have the kind of experience they want to have. And there is always some push-and-pull there. There's usually some tension between what some people table might wanna do. What other people wanna do. But the aggregate of that creates. It's extremely artisanal and personal experience as you kind of collaboratively make these adventure stories work. So is this the kind of thing that you get together with a group of friends and do or is it you join groups and communities Or it can be online and so you meeting people from all around the world how does it. How does it work. I mean obviously these days. The online dimension is a bit more prevalent than it used to be. I mean it really is mostly you get together with your friends. I'd say there's a certain amount of light convention play even tournament play early on especially when the game was still closer to its working roots. There were these highly competitive tournaments. You'd be able to play conventions. Neo declare a winner. Who is most successful that looting this particular dungeon adventure that had been designed for it. But yeah i mean it is an extremely diverse set of people that get involved with it and so these days zoom games or webex games or comment there even sets of online tools like roll twenty that are designed to kind of provide the framework the die rolling mechanics the ability to show maps to position where monsters characters are in a given room in an underground labyrinth. Right things like that. And that's that's become very vibrant part of the community especially since we all entered this unending quarantine and is there culture people who don't really like to play like to watch and be a part of the audience. What do huge you wanna see. The epa bat community take a look at something called critical role critical role. It's a number of professional voice. Actors largely people who are well known for doing voices for absolutely revered computer. Game series is like the personas series a japanese series very popular. You know got together and ran a campaign and just film themselves. Running this campaign they become superstars. They have a kickstarter for an animated series based on it that was the most accessible media kickstarter of all time. The game is run by game master. Who is sort of the rules. Arbitrator for the whole session is also sort of the storyteller yet. It's at the same time. It's a collaborative a storytelling environment. So each character is telling their own story and also helping push for the narrative it a perfect world. Sometimes there's disruptive people but yeah and so you might get you might go to the store and buy a adventure module in the idea there is. There's a narrative sort of skeleton there with like information on the monsters you're going to encounter the treasurer and the plot points. And then the or dungeon master will walk the people through that narrative and collaboratively it will produce an outcome of some sort or another and every time you play that scenario with different people or even with the same people if they want to replay it. It'll be different game because their characters will be different characters or they'll say different things and so y- even though you're seeing the same kind of story it all. They all seem to kind of come out differently. It's it's it's just pure entertainment point of view. It's a an endless wealth variety available yet so it's hard to explain but it's really easy to do karen karen. Let's say that you have a character. Wizard and you can come up with a name for your character like you know there you go. Hi hi it. That's a real wits name. Yeah it's nice but you know just imagine your character you know at the start of you. Know a stair set of stairs leading down into a dungeon and the dungeon master. Describe to you. Well you know it looked like it goes down about twenty feet and it ends in a wooden door. The wooden door has a knocker on it. And we'll just ask you. What do you do and as a player you say. Well okay. I walked down the staircase and knock on the knocker or try to pry the door open. Or you know. If you're a wizard you could maybe cast a spell like the knox spell that will just open the door magically and you just kind of negotiate these things through this way and telling really yes it storytelling. So you know. You're you're constantly prompted okay. Here's the environment what you do. That's what the dungeon master. The referee does players then just each decide for themselves. Well i'm ignoring this staircase. I'm going to try to go around to the other side of the building. Is there some kind of a window or other way. It can get in or and you might have to roll a check in order to determine that you'd roll a twenty sided die for like perception check of some kind and you know if you maybe you'll spot there is a window it's it's fifty feet up. Though and maybe have a wrote maybe grappling hook. You know depending what equipment you bring to it and so it's extremely open ended and it has just this immense creativity to it but it's also incredibly immersive to play it. It's really easy to just kind of get into the spirit of it and imagine yourself in the situation of this person. All you really need to know the rules to play for the most part is kind of what you would propose a person in that situation. We do as long as you can describe it then. The dungeon nostril. Tell you what the results in the dumbest before. John and it wouldn't be possible. I mean you could have games with no magic. You can have games that are sitting modern times and you can have games. And i don't know why anybody would but you could have games with no monsters at all. But that doesn't mean this quickly branched out into science fiction you know there was a number of titles some that came right on the heels of star wars for example that imagined on powers like the four. There were games that took this to the old west old west. Setting was very popular to post-apocalyptic mutant kinds of settings. You may have atomic mutations in superpowers from that tons of superhero games. Historical games pretty pretty much any genre that you can imagine being a source of adventure. People have adapted for roleplaying game by this flame. That's pretty cool. It is it is well you know. Your mileage may vary one of the things is a good portion of how much fun you have is related to the sort of personalities and qualities of the friends that you play with so i would not give up on the game if you have a bad experience for first time you might want to swap out game groups you know. I mean you might have to find the right group of people to play with but su sure tastes and that's that's not to say anyone's doing it wrong necessarily it's just that you gotta find people who were willing to play the way you wanna play and that you get along with and and i think i'm the online world even though i like to sit down with people and have and throw real dice i it seems like the online world is a really great way to meet people in a variety of places and I'm sure based on reading the facebook group and other things that we have tons of gamers in much truck listener audience that probably if they don't know each other would really enjoy playing with each other in the sort of These sort of virtual worlds. So have there been any push this really meta question. But if they're pretty pushes to establish sort of realistic biological ecosystems in this redundant dragon world. When i was growing up. You know you'd see these random encounter type you know. Classic what room to the next. The monsters didn't seem to know what was going on. You just you might have. They seem like entirely generated by random encounters. But i've always like. I always imagined you know being a biologist in the this sort of world trying to figure out what the ecosystem is exactly and i know. It's kind of complicated by magic. Or are there more naturalistic magic world building. Efforts out there definitely so there was a classic series. Actually that ran in dragon magazine. Which is the magazine. Tsr the people that published put out every month. There was on the ecology of various monsters with answer precisely. These questions tried to explain how an ecosystem of these monsters would actually thrive in a dungeon environment. And you know what we're where they lived what they ate You know how they reproduced been practically aristotle generation of animals. It re an immense amount of attention has been lavished on this for the youth. I thought it was weird that at the same time we were having the panic. Panic and people were burning role books. We also had the duchess of dragons cartoon. I am dungeon nasa. You'll guide in the realm of dungeons and dragons. How did we have a world where were simultaneously getting our first sort of onscreen. Dd roleplaying product. And at the same time people are completely freaking out about roleplaying games. It is fascinating that the d. cartoon came out at the time that it did. I mean this was a time. When gary guy gags personally was in hollywood was trying to get a. Dvd movie made He had a script for it. He would pushing hard to get major studios interested in and around that time. They develop a partnership with marvel marvel comics actually and it was through their work with marvel. And this this was They were doing series of comic books. They were doing Little figurines that were based on designs. Marble was doing in really the. The cartoon was born of that partnership. And yeah i mean there's some irony that you'll there's a famous Sixty minutes where ed bradley has on someone named patricia pulling who was really probably the most visible figure in the pushback against dnd she was the founder of a group called bad bothered about dungeons and dragons. You know who who was variously working to try to see in d. banned everywhere that it could be and at the same time. Cbs is like airing that you know. In the morning there. Airing the Cartoon show and so. I think this is based on the fact that the demographic forgive in the early nineteen eighty s started to shift sharply younger and so when they were looking at how they were going to expand the audience for the game. Having something like a saturday morning cartoon show was just natural natural place to expand and it was like half hour commercials for your product as many saturday morning cartoons. Were retrospect new. Look back at transformers or you know. Take your pick of how many of these were really kind of product placement. This this was a way to get younger. Children engaged with da and you know although there was definitely a counter current against that there are people who are extremely concerned about the influence of dnd over young people at the time you know those people were responsible for scheduling major television networks and so with the combined might of d. Which was dan already a pretty substantial business and marble. It was just gonna happen. So the game's called dungeons and dragons. So what a love dungeons much question. i mean the if you look at the hobbit i mean you know smog. Kind of lived underground on a big pilot treasure. They're right nervous that that door have been song about the dungeons and caverns old Token sip uses so much of this necessarily because tolkien muscle monumentally popular. At the time. That td came out Kind of rode. The coattails is his particular vision of fantasy abed. If you look at the hobbit the hobbit is really a story about going and getting you know loot and magic rings and magic swords called staying and defeating lots of orcs goblins on your way to finally confront the dragon at the very end at the sonically. It looks very much like very much like dnd. Does i keep thinking here about the hobbit. I think about the movie that they did And how that. I could easily read the book before it could finish watching all movies. Crazy padded a little padded. I mean take a slightly more technical answer to that one too. I mean the dungeon as a place of adventure as really interesting to add to wargames attritional war game. You played it like on a on a either a board or on a sand table of some kind of terrain set up to put your miniatures on to play the game and bringing it down into this dungeon space where it is paper and pencil and a big part of the game becomes exploration it becomes the dungeon master telling you while there's a corridor out of you and it extends for thirty feet and then it forks and you can either go right or left. What do you and p people at draw. These maps of this right on graph paper just based on the the verbal description. They were getting so they wouldn't get lost. You can find their way out. There's one reason for it but you know to kind of make sure that they're making the progress they want to and that exploration component to it certainly was a huge part of its appeal. And it's something that every computer game that includes dungeon crawls these are the dr blows. The elder scrolls games like this have really followed that model ever since because it just provides a compelling experience and it reminds me of the the book series choosier an adventure. I used to read some of those. It was more something my brother was into. He's a little older than me. But i remember seems like a very lovable match that anyway. Yeah and actually some of the. It was probably only two years after deemed came out that the first people started combining game books these kind of multi path adventure books with roleplaying games. Famously company called flying buffalo who produced one of the earliest competitors to pre- pretty derivative one in some respects called tunnels and trolls. The tunnels and trolls people had a game book called buffalo castle. Came out and seventy six so merely around the time that the i choose your own adventure books mean they. They hadn't even built the brand yet but edward packard and those guys had started writing the initial books around. Then there was an earlier you. Uk book series called tracker books. That were game books like that before. We had choose your own adventure in america but like you know. Buffalo castle incorporated into that kind of decision model accuser in adventure. Yes going i go into this room. What do you do you meet this monster and if you meet the monster. Here's the system for. Have you fight it and decide if you beat it or it be you. And that's kind of what they layered on top of the game book format. I found all this really interesting. I i regret having finished your book before we talk but everything i read and it was absolutely fascinating. I would be of great interest to our listeners. I just this this whole field of of gaming and not just the gaming itself but thinking about the history of it and how these various models were utilized for play and for you know in some ways Just simulation right. I think it's just really just endlessly fascinating. So i really appreciate you writing the book and for taking the time to talk to us tonight. Let's pleasure thanks for having me someone like me. A primer on the topic absolutely. And if you want to intro game we can. We can get on zoom for an hour. I can lead you through it. You'll get it immediately. Everybody gets. I try alcohol involved since go. I just wanna know what matthew will think if you if you online to start doing roleplaying. This'll be the best. I need to see his reaction extender. If he's i don't even know if he's into that kind of thing that's interesting doesn't never really talk about it. But why avenue for your marriage. Karen as well i want john. We have a signature question. And i and i know this is an unfair question because if someone asked me i would be challenged to answer it but here we go. What is your favorite monster. I mean like demonstrates anything that you classify monster you don't have to give stats for it. But there will be a an encounter that we'll have to play no so technically you consider totoro to be launched her lutely neighbor. He's a neighbor and a monster. I think right. Is this your answer. that's my answer. That's a great answer. So i haven't had that one before you know. I ran into. Totoro not really. But i ran into. Video beckoned the Early nineties there was like an initial american release with entirely different voice actors from the disney release stated later. And so like i knew totoro but then like i got reintroduced to totoro with like an entirely different cast. It was so peculiar. So yeah but i love all the studios you believe stuff but that is yeah. That's a great answer. I mean maybe maybe the cat bus comes in second is awesome. Did you okay. You know it's a it's your nose. The cat bus has testicles japanese staying right. This is my daughter. Got a cat bus action figure or whatever you a very accurate rendition of the cat. Bus to call the cat. Bus flipped it. I don't remember the cat bus truck nuts but there they are so that was surprising. I didn't notice it in the cartoon. But i don't think they would have put them on the toy if they weren't in the cartoon so go check it later. What kind of monster talker john fund leading this it's Definitely a new will to explore. It's a huge world. But but you know it's probably the place. Most people encounter monsters. These days is in gaming. The monsters are a part of people's everyday life because of gaming such good point. Yeah if you're interested in and concerned about monsters for many people that the monster manual or these kind of books are the first place you go to find out how to combat them. If in case they show up in real life you know. I mean yeah. That's silly on the one hand. In another real sense. I think for people putting stats to a monster. Knowing his week this is helps them cope. So i i. I think there's some therapy value there. Well and if you've seen how to train your dragon right. There's one of the one of the kids who's learning to be a dragon slayer who really quotes chapter and verse from their monster manual all the stats everything for each of the dragons is they're learning to combat them so yeah. The influence of that has its cast. A pretty long shadow has indeed. Thank you so much for taking time to talk to us. We will see my five year old getting into this someday. Almost yes guaranteed every never too young never too young. We'll put leaks to those two books in the show. This is anything else you want to link to or anything you're working on. You wanna talk about what this loose elbow well. I mentioned that we're doing this cookbook. That's called heroes. Feast that is coming out For the holidays this time and cook. Cook your dnd. Unfortunately you know we did have to make substitutions for any of the recipes that involve monster parts. But you will certainly see plenty of references to monsters in it. I also have a book coming out at the end of this year from mit press called the elusive shift that is about about roleplaying games. And how people started to understand the music genres separate from were games. Did you see the elusive shift. Allusive shipped got it. You can find it. It's up on amazon and everything if you want to get. I will leak it we will. Yeah thanks yeah. that's fantastic. Have you tried the recipes and heroes feast. I have for the most part. I've made drinks personally. We have a drink section and so we actually have a drink called the mine flair for example gate. His like vodka slushy. It will play your mind if you But yeah we we actually did. A photo shoots with this with professional photographers and prop people and things like that. And so since. I was there for the photo shoots. I got to eat a lot of these things as we as we were shooting them. Which was a blast. Yeah did you have a favorite recipe. Are that sort of thing. You don't tell. You ever talked about cookbook before i mean yes i have. My wife collects thousands of them. But i mean. I've never talked to an author of a cookbook before about the book. So is that a fair question like was preferred like a recipe. Really proud of i. We have a lot of good mushroom recipes like we have a drought mushroom steak. We're kind of trying to simulate what food would be like. If you lived underground in caves and surging yeah forging mushrooms things like that and so that's a favorite of mine. The problem with all those under dark recipes is they make me drowsy. Terrible terrible so your budget is now. You have spent more doll. You've been listening to monster. 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James Gurney

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15:19 min | 1 year ago

James Gurney

"Tavern vintage conversation with James Gurney. Who's responsible for creating the world of Dinatale Topa? Let's reflect and look inside the mind of this creator of this fantastic dino world. The first question I think to ask you is. Did you think back in one thousand, nine, hundred, eighty two Tokyo would become what it is today. No, I had no idea at all. In fact when I was doing the paintings for Dino Topa I was doing pictures that I was intentionally doing to make impossible to make a live action. I knew that in the Star Wars era was hard to do the water. Water effects and to do people riding creatures, those are always the toughest thing to do so I, deliberately planned these big epic scenes of Waterfall City and parade dinosaurs, because this will never be made into live action, and just about then of course, the digital revolution was starting to happen, and and I realized that maybe it would be possible took a long time, but I think that hallmark entertainment is really. Gone all out to make Dina Topi translate to the screen. As very exciting and actually to kind of go back to your work, and we'll definitely cover the miniseries as well but I. Think what impressed me to the amount of research that you do on on diagnosing it looking at fossils and things to get the dinosaurs at the correct scale. You know I spoken to Actually Dean Foster one time and I know he's travelled a bit, and you do as well to kind of get that look of the city, the city of Dining Topi as well. Yeah it kind of specializes in artist in painting. Realistic scenes of things that can't be photographed whether it's a historical scene from National Geographic. Or fantasy scene of something that we know must exist out there, but no one has ever seen I end to do that means getting a lot of models and elements and people in Costume, and whatever it takes to essentially do almost like a single frame from a from a cease obt, male movie, and the fun thing about being an artist. Is that working away in your studio? You can do? All those things can be the writer and the director and the lighting person, and and put the whole thing together. Which one is your favorite dinosaur to draw? I'm. Like stegosaurus because it's the most outlandish dinosaur, and when you spend a lot of time coming up with alien design, and the thing about nature, is it? There are things in the fossil record that have far weirder than anything you could imagine and Stegosaurus one, although it's a bear to dry, stegosaurus is tough, because all those different plates are in different angles, and you have to just keep racing it and redrawing it to get it right, but nevertheless that's one of my favorite dinosaurs. Was this a boyhood something that you liked as a boy? The dinosaurs right for me I got into because of a gentleman named Harry Housing. I did love dinosaurs as a kid, and of course in those days they were seen as cold, blooded reptiles who lived in the swamp and I remember the picture in the time life book had the brackish source with the whole body underwater, because and just ahead sticking out because they said well, we can't hold up its own weight. It could never do that and it wasn't. Until I became an adult that the new theories came along presenting dinosaurs as dynamic and warm blooded and intelligent, and just recently in the last few years. The bird dinosaur connection has really solidified so that we realized that dinosaurs. Behaviors and mannerisms, and even looked a lot like birds, instead of like reptiles, that science dinosaurs is very very much a part of dining Topi. and. Talking to paleontologists about the wave of popular interest very often, they follow these renaissance periods of discoveries, which word still in and Topi is just one way of playing without idea. What if dinosaurs are bird like dynamic and intelligent? What if we? If. They were smart if they were wise and could. Benefit, US, somehow speaking of that, I'm sure you've seen the famous. I think even the Museum of Natural History New York area here with the T. Rex, standing up almost fully erect, and obviously we've found out that hey might not be that way. Part of what I love about. Dinosaurs is what we don't know about them. We know what this structure of their bones looks like. We know we have a few skin impressions, but we don't know how. They sounded a really how they moved or what color they were for a while. People were saying the. The Tarantula could run forty miles an hour, and now article comes out a couple of weeks ago. They'd say now they could just walk about ten miles an hour at the most and and who knows but being artist you talk to all the scientists and let them make their case to you and then paint what what seems to feel right, and what what fits with the latest discoveries, so that aspect of them as creatures of fantasy as it were, I love because we know they were real, but they require are match to bring them into. into being again and win the digital revolution happening nearly ninety, nine, hundred, ninety, one, for example, I guess Terminator Two is the one that kind of blew it all out of the box and then geographic park was that when you first started the suspected? Maybe Dina. Topi can make a big screen or small screen transition. Yeah, I saw a few test footage. Experiments even before Jurassic Park and made friends with some of the guys who are working on. That had a chance to see the full size animatronic for really impressive, beautifully sculpted great mechanics, but But they were all standing around. I remember in the sound stage after a day shooting in the jungle Andrew Park, and they said you know all these animatronic are going to become obsolete in five years, because digital will do everything, and we'll still have work, but it'll be a different world in in in a way they're right. There's still is there's room for animatronic and great work being done in those, but in the case of the dining topiary film we had two animatronic for the smaller creatures. You're actually holding. What is a tremendous amount of physical? Between, the the actors and the dinosaurs, there's no substitute for that, but for almost everything else. The the digital revolution makes it seamless chance to to create creatures that are closely interacting in the case of Dan. Topi production, even playing Ping Pong with the human character. I was really amazed by that scene. Just really all the amount of work that went into this shot at one of my favorite studios in England being James Bond Fan Pinewood studios which. The Superman film there years ago. great place to to build the city, and they actually build one of the key cities and dinatale waterfall city. Yet they built on the back of the Pinewood lot of five Acre full-size set of waterfall city with the canals and the boats and sixty foot high archways. I had a chance to visit out there driving by all the James Bond sets. and. Walking through the archway. They had tremendous rain storms the most rain they'd had in England in about sixty years and puddles everywhere, and they were supposed to be shooting all these scenes with hundreds of extras, and they had to wait for a clear spot, and now as they're finishing up to production in London, doing the digital effects. They're dealing with played photography where. In one scene it might be sunny in the next scene. Cloudy and to try to tile together is is a nightmare, but. It'll. It'll having a real set really. Makes a difference because you can tell when you're watching it that you're actually looking real walls and real surfaces rather than a model or a digital background. And actually this takes place in modern time where they find Dina Topi. If I recall from the books, actually takes place I. Think in the eighteen. I'd almost like Jules Verne type of time periods correct. Yes, things don't change in Topi that much, but we can enter it in different points on the shoreline geographically or in different points in history and one of the books, that I did is a prequel. It goes back a couple thousand years in the expands the the concept backward in time and the hallmark miniseries. With some characters from the present day, so as you can imagine for it for a TV, script writers, we're looking for a way to to bring a somewhat more contemporary perspective to the story in it and I think it's. A NEAT way to to develop diner Topi into the modern day, but it's still it's still the same kind of dining topa with. One kid told me everyone wears baggy clothes, right? That's the idea. The dinosaurs are. Not all of them talk some of them. Communicate in different ways, but there is. A six foot tall dinosaur named ZIPPO WHO's A. Standard Ikea source or a Atro- Don is basically the one of the most intelligent dinosaurs who follows the characters on their adventures. He's awesome. I mean some of the things that we mentioned the Ping Pong game. I think he's the one playing ping pong, and not only that just you know, I think in the in the library of dining topa and I was just amazed how well he interacted with the human characters I can imagine wouldn't challenge. It must have been for them. That was pretty awesome and I was very impressed that people make doing the affects. Walking with dinosaurs as well doing the dyno's yes, the same team that did walking with dinosaurs, and when you look at scenes like that the dinosaurs walking through the library, and all of the scales are shimmering right as as he turns around, and not only the movement of the creature himself, but the shadows that are cast on all the bookcases. Had to be carefully planned and plotted so that they they looked really three dimensional, so it was. It was a real job for them to sell some of those shots into. For the actors to act these scenes where the dinosaurs didn't exist. Of course they were just talking to blank space or to a ping pong ball the end of a pole. That so it's. Was a fine job of acting there, too, and you mentioned. The ONYX and there's one characteristic becoming a favorite of mine, because I've seen him today number twenty six. I think he's a cute little. I and I know that was done by the Jim Henson creature shop, which fans will know from other hallmark productions, but also farscape which I. do a great job on there, too. And I was really amazed all the work that went into him. You know, but you said you held him and you kind of so how he worked. What was that experience like to see a creation of yours like that kind of come to life and do all these things that. Independent of you sort of speak. Well I, visiting the waterfall city set was something like waking and a dream waking up in a dream, because I have been working for many years imagining all of this and draw pictures on paper, but to actually go through the archway, and out suddenly be indicted. Topi was really thrilling to see I watched a little bit of principal photography and then. went to the edge of a sound stage where these guys handed me this hatchlings dinosaur, and they said don't drop it cost one hundred thousand dollars in, and I'm holding this creature about the size and weight of watermelon or so and a baby Sarah Thompson Dinosaur. She turns her head and looks up at me and moves or pause, and wags her tail, and blinks and licks her lips, and are selects the Beacon I. Could swear as holding a living creature. And, then I looked up and there these two guys in the shadows with Radio Control Setsu wiggling these all these dials and controls, and I realized they were doing the whole thing, but it was. When you take the skin off of that creature and look what's inside. Being the son of a mechanical engineer, and building a of gadgets as a kid I have great admiration for what it took to to make all the subtle movements on the surface, and you have a great cast David twelfths from. Dr Real One of my favorite actresses Alice, Krieger who was fans remember from the Board Queen from Star Trek. The next generation and she's terrific and some great young actors twos. I think they'll. People will have characters. They can relate to yeah I think so, and I think it's A. Pretty big team because you've got all the principal characters and a huge cast of extras that are that are moving around in the background, not just humans, but also dinosaurs that are thrown in as texture. You know in the background. A QUEST STORY THAT Follows the two brothers one is kind of a rabble, rouser and troublemaker. He's not. He doesn't like that and toby too much at first, and he doesn't have much of a sensitive side. And of course he gets assigned to the hatchery to raise. hatchlings, the other guy has a fear of heights, and he's kind of bookish fellow, and he gets assigned to be a sky box writer. He's not sure he likes heights at all. But? They go through their course of their adventures, looking for their father who's lost and both of them fall in love with a diner. Topi and girly Marian, so it's it's quite an epic. Can develop characters for the full six hours of the miniseries. You one thing I do want to add is Karl Marx, such great series. I've loved Gulliver's travels. Rabian nights and I was very thrilled and even Jason and the argonauts that was thrilled that they were behind this. They did they approach you about this? Or how did this come about in that sense? Data Topi a was optioned with a major motion picture company in Hollywood for several years in a great team was put together behind it with Ken Ralston, of Lamb and image works, which was really formed around. Doing the dining topiary effects, and they did tremendous amount of work, storyboarding and screenplay. It's been about four million on it, but the plug got pulled at the from the executives with the change of Administration at Columbia, and at that point, the rights came back to us, and we were looking around at other studios at hallmark entertainment came in and I never really thought of them because I don't own a TV and so I had never seen any of the production, so we rented a TV VCR, set us all the tapes and I I watched the whole the whole hallmark series. And was really impressed with. Not only the fact that they were faithful to stories, but when they did make changes they. Had some creative ideas to bring to the material and I knew that men risk for Dino Topa because I knew that changes had to be made to make it work on the screen, but they were concerned about keeping it faithful to the spirit of the original story. And also to to doing something on television that really is intended for family audiences, and and doesn't introduce something in a diner. That doesn't belong no I think. It's GonNa be awesome and I wanted to ask you to. What's what you have I? Know you during a great slide presentation. You gave here Luna Con- you previewed some new Dina Topi that you're working about a new city. Can you kind of tease your fans about that a little bit? The new book that I'm starting on all I, really say about it as it involves an adventure story from Arthur dennison's journals based on a new journal that was just recently discovered about his. Adventures to the eastern coast into the fabled city of Dara. Something like the story of Marco Polo's journeys across the continent to China. And the first couple of paintings, the big ones for for this one will be featured in Washington at a show of dining Topi art. They will be at the Smithsonian. Starting in late April and going all the way through till September, so if anyone wants to see the art from the first three books that I've done and some of the models that went into it as well as some of the material from the hallmark miniseries lobby down there. started the end of April I've been to that museum there. They do great job presenting things like this. So that's going to be awesome I have families. I think I'll go down there. Definitely. Check that out well. I, really WANNA. Thank you for taking the time to speak to me I think I'd been long. Admire of your work since I saw the first book and just little boy me just went cool. Take Care Tony Tomato until next time.

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224. Starcrash: LIVE!

How Did This Get Made?

1:27:08 hr | 1 year ago

224. Starcrash: LIVE!

"Is being released out into the world for free on Wednesday October Ninth I love these guys I mean Paul F Tompkins Mark McConnell Jeremy Carter and are good good hey everybody your favorite doctors from the Superego Clinic for Analytical Science are back and this time they are working for free that's right superego season five we are so excited to be with you here tonight to talk about an important movie star Crash Star Craft Rush I could explain the plot but that would mean I understood what I watched and I simply did not incomprehensible and sexy we saw star crash so you know what that means I know it's about a robot and a lady and a guy and they got to find another guy and it everybody's here's to save ten percent off on your first purchase so squarespace.com slash bonkers you're going to get a free trial then when you're ready to launch use the code bonkers for ten a superego season five out Wednesday October ninth tune in wherever you get your downloads subscribe to Superego and your favorite podcast APP is free baby this this is like the the Bobo version of Stanley Kubrick. 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I guess the way I felt about how this movie it really needs to be picked apart I could talk I could talk for Ville rest of our lives about the robot character they give seen one you saw force awakens is on that one and a little bit of new hope I don't care for this genre I don't genre you would say that is based Seifi folks because of nostalgia in its from when I was a kid but this to other to young people now oh skills in drawing architecture I could if I put my mind to it you could do it I think I could do that I was thinking exist I don't know what is doing with this guy well there are a couple of things at play I I want to ask you consume okay but just the production design like I stared at it and I genuinely think if I worked hard enough I could do that having tits are still perky no matter how many Millennia and like very hard erect nipple yes hard it's like Texas accented voice I also felt like l. and Stella had the best chemistry why because you never hit anybody in the nipple did you design that robot let me talk to you about how I saw space the WHO is who is capable of being nervous I believe it's you are your stuff but just the outside all the slow great ships you know what this worrying it's so boring looks to me more like we're in bikinis throughout space more uncomfortable bikini because it was almost like masking tape was just kind of casually get those hard robot nips will they're probably holding some sort of a component of some sort of database is held in the chest area like that I'm sure juicing that make that robot a female character in the movie with that was going to be my next because it had a male in the future I saw it as very sexy I thought you're on a prison planet where Bikini by choice not that was not and this is l. like woman in French or the body sports illustrated swimsuit edition wow okay before I came out here and this is a movie where we could spend the entire show breaking down one scene because there are so many elements that it was sexy. I just just zoomed when she was in the Bikini at the penal colony that she supermodel known as the body element spears when I saw that because L. Makes Sense it's like oh it's a robot it's a model that's Model L. There's a model just the Leonard No it's e. l. l. e. y. l. McPherson is it sexual chemistry does L. Have Dick well here's what I WanNa do great question you know why I'm asking is this to you look like star wars are you like yeah it's all the same no to me I mean not the interior green the equivalent of space burlap sacks he's like a legit Bikini back put around her and I also took issue. I know this is really getting into the weeds that Bikini but I would love to get into the weeds of that Bikini because there is a robot in this movie that's got tits absolutely let co-authors robot on the Colossus robot has giant eighteen arms that are constantly moving he doesn't seem to be able to get through any of his lines he seems like confused he had been at a party where they have those sumo suits you put on and hers somehow deflated still wear around what's the robot's name I'm asking them you got yeah L. and would you agree that yeah and what do you how is that spelled who looks a bit like crying from teenage mutant Ninja Turtles it's not enough to have a head in a jar give them like serpents the great from the Front looks amazing from the back of that the cut of it mode diaper then like a red sumo diaper it's almost like if her body was in a condom but then condom had dr with through a pile of Goo like there's a slowness to the energy there's a pace feels fia trickle feels like just day one and she hadn't had a chance yet to change into her prison garb see I felt like she was on going to prison. GimMe that Al Yeah I mean I want to talk about the costumes for roughly two hours so I just want to get into the different occasions turns his back to the camera in an effort to make a move he is saying his line and then he and it seems like they only did one take with him well why do anything different for his takes than anyone else in the Phil Hoick probably have with movies tation don't normally feel yeah but it's also nobody walks with urgency nobody looks like they're coming from somewhere or going somewhere audience tonight interviewed Christopher plummer and I wanted to read Wyche Christopher plummer said he goes said asked him about star crashes I've found very unflattering when you oh interesting it looks like it's a dour she was wearing that red the prison wardrobe that was delta's wardrobe going when she gets sent to a Labor camp people are wear my own okay all right Oh that's so that's interesting so you think they just because she's not when she's on trial win room as long as I can get to Rome going to Rome was the greatest thing that happened in that for me I think it was about three days in Rome on that one who star crash Oh my God there are two things I can say about that one give me Rome any day I'll do a porn the crotch front and a bunch of pictures of the paper they're onto pictures of where she's wearing what looks like a clear raincoat and then Z. him so that's bad hologram projection etiquette to walk away from here's the dragging yeah so and ask you a question is is Christopher plummer in this movie yes that's correct the emperor of the Gallery and okay so Christopher plummer on three in his can do it I can do it I mean well here's a couple of things I want to one thing on to talk about him turning around he's on a hologram projection when we first it was all theater actors were no I've made a choice this is what I'm well. Christopher plummer worked for one day on this movie he was like Valley 'cause I mean how can you play the emperor of the universe what a wonderful part to play but God and a very dicey moment doesn't it he's very insecure like this that are bad movies like this filmed on stages where it looks like it could have designed them I feel like everybody's acting okay I just any so upset about his son but you don't have to turn away he's still the emperor our friend will Harris who's actually out here in the movie star crash more to the point that he created people that would make the movie star crash say messed up wow also I go to eat good food in Italy and I got to shame God God gets pretty insecure when he watches having considered all the arguments stunned Bikini accusations we condemn you to force leader the old she's not wearing it do you think that's what's underneath yeah closed she wearing on triumph all show you what she's wearing trial because I love her in his opening theme and it looked like they didn't discuss like when the theme should end so just Tut's abruptly mid song one was all shot at once and the girl what's her name Monroe Caroline Munro she was something incredible to look at that was a great pleasure to but beyond those two and would love to watch them I would love to watch her and L. go to town on about two when the emperor's around God so in one way he's kind of saying I only did this shoot Hello John Berry composed the music for this movie John Barry did of Bunch of the James Bond Music he did midnight cowboy and they what can I say it was just a happenstance he happened to be here we both bonded on our mutual love for one of the greatest movies in cinema tap gun aping topgun thing and is this top gun to marketing what is this it's not I was not paid a small V. by Tom Cruise To the wait is it highway to the danger just trying to think things something that everyone gets on you decided was highly dangerous maverick is back just what I found around and now the scene is you who's the back so better I mean it felt like L. Stella comes back to the ship and she just kind of gives a very gentle hugged to David Hasselhoff and it seemed like that was a moment ripe for Kiss Ashley Drop in Mavericks Back I did see you backstage hugging a naked Kenny loggins who is the nudist but yeah I mean Christopher plummer is in this David Hasselhoff build early on and billed as the star of this film spent the first hour seeing when Hercules meets his lover or this person he's been pining after at the end they do Awkward Hug and in this movie the same thing the climactic moment l. or is I would say one thing to that why do you think l. was nervous well again in June I know you were in here for this episode of Hercules with Lou Frig no but at the end when they feel the need the need for it yeah there we go what are we don't encourage him the robot that's what we're working with again because they did have a sexual chemistry the robot instill they did right the other one is like I did this to put the fear into God like like my base yes obviously I did I got to look at a pretty girl escaped that blown-up ship but it's very obvious that that's who it is so like why or why not just be like we're looking for the emperor's son and him being good if we knew oh this is my son a Hologram of David Hasselhoff space and then he would be like who's this man David people are upset about that they have lucan Leah Brother and sister kiss this movie can't even have a kiss it's kind of like a WHO cares but when she first meets him doesn't she say to him we've been looking for you the emperor's son Yes he's roiled tasers own bonds America together the one movie we can all agree upon Oh yeah that's me also why do the big reveals putting him in a mask we've not seen this character so that we're dealing with the honest to God how many librarians during the day now upwards of five librarians and the thank you librarians fight fight fight fight people realize libraries yes obviously you can check out books I please make like star wars new hope now the director writer had never seen the film but he went what's it take me to bed lose me all right everybody can do why I picked highway two in June genuinely thought I was surprised to understand that they were together as a couple it they are deferring to each other and we don't know to not to go against you but it was inspired by Star Wars but here's the interesting thing the director was asked the local library and read the novelization of Star Wars the new hokey is cheering for light rail aries look libraries by the way so much going on there we talk about on the mini episode how every one of these movies is available at your public libraries it feels like he got elements. Well it's like it is a weird mash up because there's also like Ray Ray Harry Housing as like stop motion Oh no in Star Wars the movie that this is basically ripping off well take it this point there surgeries why another foul on the play same thing with these Harry housing kind of things but David Hasselhoff I did some research about him to the reason why he wears that mask introduced is because David Hasselhoff a second are you an undercover librarian busted but no I thought this is so funny that this movie I have no idea that this had transpired between the two of them Veeraswamy that happen never did they're simply together because is arguably one of the most popular film Star Wars the Director and writer goes let me read the novelization reads it and then goes I got it and then start no it so now I feel like they have to be together at the end like those of them received this mugler sheep on Solo that's the thing is she's like the bad ass and Paul whereas Hasselhoff is that there was a period at the beginning where I thought he might be the robot I was like had food poisoning so he couldn't shoot a bunch of scenes when he was supposed to in Italy he got food poisoning she is yeah he is here's what's dumb about it is when they find Hasselhoff stranded they don't know he's the guy they're looking for they just think he's somebody who is okay I do remember watching him in thinking during some of his close ups he looks very dewey he looked a little in Italy I don't want to say anything about the delicious food in Rome but yes he got food poisoning in Italy so like so like there's scenes you're ready for kids whose parents work laid and don't necessarily have a safe place to go to after school anyway writing his own version book here not seen he'd only read this the novelization of it which is that's what this feels like it doesn't feel like he saw it mccourty are all coming together from behind the pay wall to give you a whole season of wild sketches antics I love these guys I feel like some directors like well yeah they're together now right she's a girl he's a guy well he is also now a prince or whatever he is he always wants he's Roy but she didn't seen this movie where the man's screen has just had diarrhea while the man in the mask didn't have diarrhea that was a production ASSOC- The guess he's interesting guy because he has these powers that he's trying to build up but he and digitally sometimes after school help all sorts of classes and resources for the senior community the somebody stood up in their seat some guys they're like in the audience she says at one point Akron can you see the future he's a tracker right that's his whole thing that he's a navigator we all know that people don't realize that is that what you people don't realize libraries you can check out realize all the other resources that are available at your sorry my email because Senate to myself and so that actor is this guy who is the world's youngest child preacher the best navigator in the Galaxy God as is she the greatest pilot in the galaxy. Well I wanted to kind of bring up something about this guy as well and I'm just looking through the little sallow the one other actor who played Act Tom Akron I really of yet with the the colossus clash of the Titans Meet Star Wars meets like nine thousand nine hundred forty s serials like it's Eric during the movie ask them questions all the rest of the movie just figure it out because he knows the future right I mean oh so there are Amazon's there are Amazon's there are cavemen everybody we have to take a brief break in the show to hear a word from her best documentary called Marjo and it was about him as an evangelist and he got out of the religion game and he got into the and if you WANNA find out more about him there is a there is a documentary film which won the One Thousand Nine Hundred Seventy two academy award you want to run a character who is revealed in the middle of the movie to be able to see the future like once you have an omniscient league game so all of this happens prior to him becoming enact eight okay yeah but I just thought that was one of the craziest side stories I've ever seen all combined into one nonsense factory of incentives are and by the way it's all Hercules with Lou Ferrigno because yeah you're not just talk about the judge sponsors in our favorite sponsors is us that's right do you want to get t shirt well we have amazing ones in the store right now I mean really we have launched an epic amount of t-shirts lately one from every city that we went to on tour so if you come and see us alive there is a tour shirt no contract no hidden fees no fine print it's protection of every door window and room for twenty four seven professional monitor audio verification technology that can visually confirm that the break in is happening allowing police to get to the scene three point five times faster simplisafe looks great too love greedy people out there with their twirling mustaches I go I know how to code I know how to do all that stuff how much one hundred twenty dollars now I'm GonNa tell you one more time go simply safe dot com slash bonkers that's S. 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difference it doesn't make it that's why that's why Daniel day-lewis retired he wasn't on Internet people forgot about them anyway had this comes ice bonkers for a free trial and she is in nothing but a like a bubble right yeah and he is like here I go if he's just a robot chauvinist and there's no didn't you hear him say to this female robot you shouldn't work you should be at home Bowden fight but if you were to breach the wall of the spaceship everything inside of get sucked out into space we understand that right then but later on when L. and sell a jump out of their window there seemingly is no glass there it's just an open window yes in their spaceship he's ladies I will say the snow the death on snow planet seemed like a very peaceful release she is but I know that's what happens but yet they also when the little missiles commend you hear Glass Breaking Jing Ah good the emperor the goodguys launch like torpedoes with men basically anything that in the world there are no female robots this isn't that a female robot I agree but you can't do that robot let let a human do it that would be a robot chauvinist he's still just being a chauvinist by saying you end up here lady do it well it the the most interesting character is the is the robot without without a doubt the most interesting character is the road they had very few science flaws with this movie plot holes yes but the scientists spot on like when they go and use the elevator and the elevator I would like to go I watched it and I was like giving my druthers this seems quite nicely and Bank of snow seven EST for second he says let me a robot of it as I thought to myself if these are robot chauvinist that would be a human going stay here robot I'll do this your buttons and a Giant Fish Bowl that makes sense to me and isn't it Strana missed you're always looking for science flaws I am the Neil degrasse Tyson I have no idea that they could just way out of their speedy oxygen to breathe and just sort of fly and swim around space the whole of this podcast I call out the all the things that you people of because I want to be a real spoilsport but this one I couldn't find it because it's a robot but has so many emotional lines or lines that are driven from an emotional point of view Lombardia Rover it said to this female the female robot he said put that sword done women robots can have towards the I did appreciate these costumes yeah so is it a giant brain or is it computer in the shape of a brain they understood anything at all I think like like a rag doll made him ice and he's like she's not GonNa make it to wait you said that she would like aw I mean it was a little bit weird because it seemed like the point is weird there's a part of this movie that was weird and maybe maybe didn't add up exactly look the snow holding hands with my robot companion but the robot companion was going to charge her heart by slowing it down yes so giant brain and that's a computer that's a computer in the shape of a giant brain any touches it and rubs it as if the brains and find a thing wrong with it no but he's slowing down her heart and then when he brings her on the ship she's literally like a cartoon icicle type of thing L. comes in and I'm like well that's clearly the robot so then I couldn't tell what Akron must be some sort of alien species that can cause I don't know because he's got like abilities but I I I thought oh he's going to be a robot android come home it was very stressful and so Paul was sort of looking over taking notes and then he looks up I guess he had missed like Wolverine Say Paul and a very strong reaction to seeing that lightsaber president or negative we'll so we were watching this on an IPAD which is why I didn't see some of the details like the caller and call her watching it on a very I think he wasn't expecting to be out there for that law which was how a long ten minutes to me it felt like they were not there that long because the guy in the ship he's like you're supposed to be here an hour ago and he's got trouble with the ship so they've been outside for like an hour and a half I just by the way remember that the ship all the way bed is that what's going on there like that bet that they put her in like when he's fighting that guy get in bad like he's analyzed refers scheme out and all I heard was on that one but that doesn't heat up he hits her up with his laser is but it also seems like he's gone what is Akron could here how stupid you sounded calling calling those collins hearings you say collar hearing hearings Ajoy resentment anger was like I've never heard someone similarly betrayed wow your stuff and see the future and he's skywalker because he has a fucking lightsaber out of his own it looked like it was coming out of his knuckles astronomer would be a great day were notes in your voice when you screamed out he has a lightsaber now of hysteria because it's crazy that's an invention of star wars it's like it's so meanwhile now established multiple they're characters who just have swords right regular swords laser swords just metal sports I think that that was leftover from something else and we're like we can use it and when they were fighting him at one point they're trying to shove his head until like tissue caller versus earings is a teacher we're both trying to watch this movie on an ipad frantically before children J.J. Abrams like guess what I'm tying it all together the final shot ray meet acton was it acting not Akron it's active sorry sorry everybody but but he does disappear the child in me who loved Star Wars felt betrayed how dare you have a lightsaber sure astronomy ear I alike back this time you couldn't say the word amateur bad heating bed which heat her daddy that much for the computer brain to sleep in book because you put slinky that's electric Oh that's interesting I'm just working on my powers okay that's a shock why not for our sake shoving him in that member never remember that scene Paul are all you remember that senior you talking about the guy who is the bald guy on the ship betrays him now this guy rolls up with a fucking lightsaber and he also knows the future the fuck is he is he you tried to say the phrase the Amateur Astronomer Multiple Times that have messed up both were that that like a normal guy sword fighting David Hasselhoff is just as good better yeah better with the Lightsaber so oh okay I see yeah I mean it's pretty cool we haven't even talked about the fact that none of the actors real voices were used in this torpedoes are coming in he's just sort of on that bridge yelling kill Kill Kill Kill Nick alight but like energy or something yeah like an energy ribbon wing Wong One almost I played I'm like mother fuckers w-what kind of power does everybody have the it's kind of like an OBI Wan Kanobi character which makes it so bizarre when he's dead and he disappears that come back at the end to be like we did it like he doesn't do that explain why and who and how right so then then the next time we see him he's unfrozen a girl with his eyes oh I like that yes that in the future and then he does in return of the Jedi Akron showed up in the next star wars movie the thing that you they held hands well but soon exit right making like Sir like God level powers that people have and they are just like casually this guy can stop but then like the Gratien fifty three percents eighty three percent chance to live through the yeah and so he's giving all that but with this ship we'll do it but no the way I pronounce it people that Guy I caught like he was like if Kylo Ren got to grow up to be a little bit older and a little bit more eccentric that bad guy I felt like they have they have that fight in an acting and he starts shove his head until like a foldaway bed it's like and then he gets back but why do they also have a giant that's a thing and then he whips at a fucking lightsaber and then at the end he just fights those chew gums. The movie didn't have a Lightsaber in it would you have a different opinion on altogether what do you mean this movie is amazing because it has lightsaber not that guy he's the tracker and then the first sign that we know that he's a little bit different is when he's just playing with there's no substance to them I wanNA look on Ebay and try to buy one of these robots put an excellent robot into our home yeah he's like he's like guess what I'm Dearth Vader in the new movie I'm doing it I'm like caped bad guy you know like got powers let's doesn't I've had him come back as a ghost doesn't he send what you're talking about but doesn't he say at the end that he will come had guys seem to have any powers he seems so trapped by his humanness yeah or he during the big shootout at the end where the look what do you think their mission is all right so let's yes has voice with the Athol Hof and plummer I think I loved it. Christopher plummer said hope to the flow of Chinese let Captain Quadrant to go my Lord and in less than an hour's time like he's like yeah things have gone back from he worked to Cape better than anyone I've ever seen I've never seen I've never seen anyone let the Cape he knows the future unlimited amounts like he knows like the next ten minutes that's that's pretty great and I would love it flowing and then pull it back he doesn't move and the Cape comes together and the Cape Good he really is a Real Dracula with that Cape repeat if that if that this is like four inches tall yeah they look like you could just sort of push them right over there is nothing all that would be left of this planet will be ashes and cosmic dust forever then so you would be among the date that is when I realized I didn't get anything but he when we first meet him he seems like the Han Solo records they're they're scraping on the ship and we have a thirty percent chance of total it does it he di Di only because he's been cut on the arm yeah but those robots those robots got a strong acton brings them to this base he knows everything about it I thought that he was in on his own. Here's the elevator everything because he knows the future I think Cova he's in perspective damp them so that they seem the same size as the men but they are in fact like maybe chime Oh some dark force no doubt didn't win the cameras going in on him when he's dying it's not paying it's sort of like Boy Oh boy so but he knows the future so I mean that's my I thought the same thing like why does he know that you you survived every trip that I laid for you then I realized that your success would become my triumph the speech from the bad guy as he comes into the room here you've been very lucky and clever all these thinking about his pasta right now I mean that's ludicrous happening in this movie I don't I now that was a good plan that was I didn't even know there was a half plan there and and also when that's like ten minutes before he died he was thought by the way me I level people that's happening these days people are sending their TV's a little bit too high that's why we're here to talk about Richmond here's the deal if you've for plummer looking directly at camera for his spinal speech his final speech is straight down the Lens and is how many people genuinely don't know Oh yeah and those are the people who are like Ame of thrones is too dark DNA what's the matter active. What's IT I can't even but you know what I'm pissed right now I love the final scene of I like I like all my movies to look like Shitty VHS home recordings uh we'll show it's face one small the wheel will always turn right down the camera AH fireplace they'll put a TV over it that's not how it were turned off your motion smooth is you gotta get in there and turn they put like poison on their sword like the Red Viper I mean what's going on in this world the heart is on the arm maybe I also have an issue with the way he decorates throne room his view screen is way too high it's like when you go over someone's house and their TV is up to tall it's like you know more respect for them they're living in a nonsense world if I go to Airbnb I fix it and I leave it as a gift and I don't pay them but you'd be on podcast and I had to tell you people I've never heard of a sweet tango and I'm GonNa tell you they're delicious I had one here for the first time when they first started advertising it was a seriously if you like apples you should try it if you don't like apples you try it is there something interfering with your happiness or preventing you from achieving your goals well I don't want maybe where whatever alien race he is that's the most that's his Achilles heel is let's not planning more clips and here's what you need to know tangle apples are in season in available right now so run to your nearest grosser or grocery store whatever if you have a grocer I'm into that hope you know what I want I want to watch dunkirk but have it looked like a British thick come from this seventy s I want have dunker look like starcraft convene but for now it's calm for a little time wonderful turn around the hearing is more clips I I did want to play one more which was because there was something I notice is weekly they can help all of your ninety nine problems because they got a therapist for each one you can connect in a safe and private online environment you can get thank motion smooth and it's easy to walk into someone's house and their TV looks like that I'm like oh no I can't be friends with these people start fixing yourself all right the first stop starts with you sure why not better help dot com let's go out to the audience let's see licensed professional counselors who specialized in issues such as depression anxiety relationships trauma anger family conflicts? 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talking yeah when I just moments ago talked about the emperor's sane halt time Richmond Hi my name is Hannah and one of my questions was when they go to like I just call it a wonder woman planet because which one would talk and he wrote the question out in his phone and read it instead of the rest of you nightmares who are free tank tops up there reading right off of his phone all right Ma'am your name your question Theon like I am rushing to judgment all over the thing that I'll say the balconies making you orchestra motherfuckers look like all right that's what's going on here in the MEZZANINE mezzanine balcony well said up boy just stood in support and they did at the end of the question yes see it's making she says she has to get revenge on the robot little much like you I believe they couldn't read a self aware sci fi action universe and the main characters of the story are an angry bald green man an ass kicking female lead an alien with INEX- rich enriching star crash that the 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Larry Blamire

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Larry Blamire

"Monster talk is supported by listeners like you find out how you can contribute via patriotic or with reviews monster talk dot org. Forged slash support. Your contributions larger small make a huge difference. Thanks. Actually play. Unlike anything we've ever seen before. Giant hairy ape? Largeness a twenty four mile long, bottomless lake the highlands and stuff. It's a creature known as the Loch Ness monster. More stir doll, welcome to monster talk. This science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith. And this is a special patriot bonus episode that was set up by Matthew Baxter who has himself been on the show several times as a guest together, we had the opportunity to interview a man who is director an artist a writer and many other things beside Larry blam, I over the course of our discussion, we mentioned quite a few movies and other projects, and I've tried to put links to all that in the show notes monster talking about org and on patriot patriot dot com for slash monster talk. So let's get onto the more stir doll. We're excited to Larry blam are your to monster. But who is Larry blam Meyer to add ser that question we've brought on Larry boy, am I r-. Well, it's too bad. You don't have an expert because then he can tell you right away. To the best of my knowledge. I am a writer director artists of playwrights actor, so I a lot of things, but most folks know me for film called the law skeleton of cadavre, which was released by Sony two thousand four and then we did several other films in that sort of John which was a kind of gentle spoof of old fifties. Black and white SCI fi movies. And I'm also a painter, and I've been in science fiction illustrator. So I want a lot of hats that requires a lot of heads the end nights. Well, look to the show. Thank you. Emmanuel should welcome you to. Well. Thank you a write off. I have to say he's Larry get a job with. Don't you mean pick a job? Yeah. With does that make you an on tour? I saw that word the other day. And do I really know what that means? And I looked it up and it sounded like someone who wants to have control over every aspect. Yeah. I've been referred to as as that. Because I do on these on the films that I've made and other short films. I have done the writing directing, and I will sometimes act in the mall. So so, yeah, I guess it is very auditory. Cool. Congratulations. That makes you first self-described on tour with that. Oh, really? Yeah. We'll just referred you. As a micro manager. The closest I've come before. I think was when I went to olive garden had a tour of Italy. Quite creatives. Monz. My apologies. That's an issue. You've you've created monsters for paintings comic books film. And no, you probably get this a lot. But how did you come up with the different creatures using your works? I wanna in particular think we've got a lot of people in the audience who who are also creative. Sometimes, you know, they're just looking for guidance or a little nudge. You know, you can do it. I think having somebody on like yourself is really great for that. But when you answer this question, I guess we're not mean where do you get your ideas? But really literally like what are the best techniques for like, generating ideas? Like that. In the monster space a lot of the monsters. I come up with in in in paintings, or in my movies are sort of rifts on things that I saw as a kid because I was I was just absorbing all of the the monster movies. I could. And the, you know, I think the gateway monster from me and probably for a lot of other kids to is is the dinosaur. I mean kids discover dinosaurs. I it just very strange thing. Because what they were. They were really were walking around. I mean, that's that's phenomenal. And from there, you know, dinosaurs lead to so many other monsters. But I particularly like. Especially in paintings. Going with things that are against nature like sort of a symmetrical monsters where you've got because you know, nature has such symmetry. So when you do a monster with you know, with two is on one side of one way up in the in the corner. I mean that kind of stuff that the more grotesque the better, I think I I like to create creatures that really kind of people just sort of shake their head in Maury about me, of course, all kids, really loved dinosaurs. But when did your passion for monster movies, actually again? The the one, you know, seeing them on TV was such a revelation King Kong used to run a lot when I was a kid on TV. And and and that was certainly one of the first that I saw on the films of Ray Harry housing where and I to this day, I love stop motion animation. And I I just think it's fantastic. It's you know, it's got such a salinity to it. There can be some good CGI. But I love the stop motion. And and so I think those were probably the ones that that sort of I pulled me in stop motion creatures and it creates such a strange reality. You know, it's fasting. It dies. I Harry house in in Bradbury who were both lifelong friends in clam writers at both also got their start dinosaurs. That was their their gateway in Munster as well. Yeah, I bet for. That's for a lot of our listeners. I. Anchin taught motion the one of the cool things about the stop motion stuff is how well it holds up on Blu Ray in these high def formats, you know, I think a lot of the CGI stuff. This is true so much anymore. But you know, back in the day. It seemed like you could tell difference in the pixel density between when there was a CGI affect and the sort of film stock of the actual main screen, and I don't see that issue in stop motion so much it looks so L practical effects, I too, and I think the solidity of practical effects, whether it's a man in a suit or a stop motion puppet or an animatronic creation. I think it creates more of a sense of wonder, and that's what drew me in as a kid. It's pulling me into a certain world. And now there's so much when you when you see a typical shot in a movie these days, especially fantasy film science fiction or something. The you know, the entire world kind of looks old nothing looks nothing real. And I I'm just not too keen on that. I mean, I don't accept that. As a reality. It's not pulling the in. It's making me think all this. That's wow. This really nice artwork work right there. But it doesn't pull drama in your known for the Las skeleton cadaver. But that's not all that you've been doing it. We'll talk about some of your current stuff as well gins interview. But I was curious about if when you when you created that were you thinking a want this to look like a low budget movie because it has to be a low budget movie or were b nineteen fifty style. Sixties? What what were you thinking? What were you emulating? What really makes a great film of that style in your mind. Well, you know, it's that was a case of really the the budget was driving the idea, which was driving the budget. So it was like, you know, we're gonna make we're going to try to convincingly make something that looks. Like, and originally we thought we'd make lost movie, you know, that was discovered. So we wanted to look as authentic nineteen fifties. Low budget as possible that really works out for your actual budget, which was low budget. It wasn't you know, really, it was a low budget movie. So we're really like we're really cutting corners now that, you know, having said that I mean there is there is a heightened sense of absurdity absurdity is one of my my driving passions. I just I just love the absurd. And and really the the the law scale, the cadaver is is isn't excuse the old movie is a framework for for for absurdity. Yeah. So, you know, I think it it's obviously a lot of things influence there. I I was thinking about some of the Corman movies. You know? I don't know if you've read his Beiber fee, but it's. Auto biography. I guess I should say that. It's so interesting because you know, he doesn't is about making money being efficient like spending less and making more. Right. And but he did a great job when he actually got more money. He did better production quality, right. But I was thinking about this that style that this sort of constrained by what you had when you made this what you made this. I think two thousand one right and. Shot on videotape. Right. Yes. So I know a lot of people that I meet who were curious how to break into this sort of work. He talked a little bit about the changes in technology between two thousand one in now because it feels like right now people are carrying around better cameras in their pockets on the cheapest phone than I ever had access to there's no question about it. But you know, alternately my feeling is that it doesn't the technology. Doesn't matter for instance, you can frame your shots in a certain way. If you're trying to make something look like an old movie, you can frame your shots in a certain way that that lends itself to that. And then you can you can direct the actors in a certain way that makes it makes that happen to. I guess I'm saying that to me, you know, the technology doesn't matter too much when we made a few years later, we made trailer screen forehead that has a whole different. Look, it's got sort of wide screen candy technicolor sort of looked to it. And we have a much better camera at that time. So that lent itself to that look and. I think you know, I, but I think access has never been better. And that's a good thing. Because it does mean that you can make a movie with your phone, and really it's all of a so much about the storytelling. I don't think technology is going to change. That fact, it does feel that we see some of the stuff. My wife shoots on her. Phone's camera some of the quality of the stuff. She shoots looks as good as defied Seon high television or movies. I mean, it's really I mean for a cat video. They're amazing. It's true. Yeah. It is. It's it's it's it's gotten ridiculous. I mean, we are definitely carrying around in our pocket something better than we shot while skeleton with. But you know, so and so that's that is a good thing. I mean, it really does mean that the kids can get into film making a lot earlier than they might normally have, you know, and I I know some who started making films as kids it making videos kids, and it's great, you know, you talk about a low budget of a lot of these movies. But you actually have some pretty good actors in your movies that you know, Fay Masterson and Brian how and Jim beaver. What what are you paying them with? We make paying. All right. You don't know what you're talking about exposure? Even though loss of Jabber cost. Very little. We did do it on a very low budget sag contract, right? Because most of us working on that we're sack actors at the time we are working within within that confines. A couple of cast weren't weren't saying. But as far as the the the people you mentioned the quality you couldn't have a better stock company. I'm just so fortunate to to be to work with folks like this a lot of them came from from the number of them came from Boston theatre where I was working for years as a playwright and director actor in. So some of the folks were friends of mine from theater and some of them were new folks in LA Bryant, how came from Boston along with the old, buddy. My heat introduce me to a lot of the folks in L A when I when I got to LA that came into our stock company too. So we kind of have a mixed have a mixture of of folks from the east and west coast, yet said the chemistry of between guys is always fantastic and even carries through into tales from the pop, and it's just a line of of Ocoee guys work now with with a lot of these, you know, you really enjoy that that style of the nineteen fifties and that type of. Monster in these movies desert. A real reason that you're keeping these kind of monsters alive that you're keeping them around. I'm still a kid when it comes to monsters, and I really do love them. And and you know, it's been there's been a pleasant surprise of of having kids respond to these movies. Not like it's something strange in distant, but they're enjoying it on a different level. And they enjoy the monsters monsters in these movies are pretty thoroughly family friendly. I think in that's just it's a great thing to keep alive. I mean, I think monsters for me were like the sound weird. But they're monsters like a sort of gateway drug to existentialism. And by that I mean that they jar us from certain complacency, which is why I got as a kid. I got into you know, after discovery monsters on TV, I'm done I'm done, you know, finding books in the library on the bomb. -able snow, man. Bigfoot and the Loch Ness, monster UFO's and stuff and that started lifelong fascination with that. And I think these, you know, when people have sightings like this is a certain jarring from everyday life. That actually makes us think about how weird the universe is. Because when you're looking at superstring theory and things like that. And in quantum physics mean things of weird. I mean that we're, you know, multiple. And these are like when the sighting of UF or something I mean this like a concrete more concrete. It's a more tangible symbol of that kind of thing. That makes sense it does it. Port says from the mundane to the numerous. Yes, very nicely nicely. I wanna talk really really briefly about your your steam wars art have been lucky enough to get to see some of. It's really to me a huge departure from your your films like law skeleton of cadavre, and some of it kinda even reminds me a little bit. I don't know if you ever saw queens album art for news of the world at had these huge kind of robots that were just monstrous and frightening, but completely indifferent to the people that they were kind of destroying accidentally. What what kind of inspired your steam wars? Art. I think. It's kinda hard to say. But the best I can come up with his that. I I remember doing mural in high school that had a lot of things going on in it. And you know, like crazy surreal sort of things was there was this giant machine, and it was sort of shaped like a if it was a Greek armor like kind of tailless if from Jason the Argonauts a little bit like that. And I might have been an influence, actually. But but there were tiny little people on top of it. And that gave me the idea for this sort of alternate reality, the kind of very steam pump kind of reality where war everything's the same. Except war is fought on these giants machines that are manned by a crew and the adventure that the first adventure. I wrote was in the form of a diary kept by crew member on. These and I wanted to have that kind of T O B. It's kind of I wanted to be cut a gritty and grimy in. We're talking. We're talking cold driven machines here that are manned by a crew. But there's in the shape of giant warriors. And so you have some of that Victorian elegance combined the raw steam power, you know, which is which is a contract that I find it interesting. And that was out led me to sort of create this whole world. It seemed like get your sense of humor didn't come through nearly as much as this this bizarre. Stark. You know, alternate reality as really interesting to look at thank you. Yeah. It was. Yeah. It's it's it's fairly serious. I mean, there's a certain wry humor the way you find the, you know, the camaraderie that you find something like gung, Gordon, you know. And you know, the guys who griping having to shovel coal and just that kind of thing and there's humor in that. I mean beyond that it's pretty much a straightforward action. Adventure says we've mentioned the Queen out Frank Kelly free us was the artists on that Editor's Note. It's actually pronounced like freeze on that on both the Queen cover and the actual was actually a take off on a weird tales cover. He did years and years before. So he was a a longtime. Weird tales artists says the push sincere about that too. Just interesting character. He did some great stuff mad magazine to that's awesome. All right. But speaking of skulls. All these years later, are are you still finding new fans or or you hearing from people who but I just now getting in touch with it. I I never stop hearing from fans I will get you know, on a weekly basis on new message on Facebook or Twitter. Saying how much they loved the movie and much means to them. It's end for a lot of people. It's kind of a it's kind of a comfort food is kind of Goto thing. Like, I I've heard people say, you know, that kinda down and they put on Las Gillan. That's the best feeling. I've had people at mean, this might not sound right. But ailing have found a comfort in the movie to which I'm very grateful for gray before kids. Kids like to. So hey, kids like it too. My one of my friends, I is a huge fan. And he told I told him that you were going to be on. And he wanted me to pass this along which is that he showed this movie to his nine year old nephew. And when they got to the line. Oh, it's you the idiot. He lost it in a barely. Even all these years later just continues to use that line for for his uncle there. I don't know if it's too long. But he said he wanted to let you know. Thank you so much for that. Because it's led to so many fun memories. So thank you for that. That reminds me of another thing, which is and people think I get sick of this. But I don't people quote from the movie all the time in apparently, there's a number of lines to quote that be remembered and say frequently like around the house that's very flattering. That is nice. Yeah. A strong medic content. What? So when you're at like, cons and stuff do people yell these out to you from across the room. No, they come up to me and yellow my face. And of course, if it's a law skeleton, you've got a yo it because he also everything that's that's true. We particular fan favorite line that you're the most often I sleep now. That would probably be it might be that might be. I mean, there's there's quite a few. But that might be the. I was thinking about the influences on Las gal. Would you say? I mean, we're you Infos by Ed Wood Roger Cormon like who. Did you feel like was the strongest influence it was? Yeah. Now asked this question a lot. And I think it comes. It's really my answer's pretty much. I was like a sponge for all these movies. And and you know, I was watching all kinds of horrible. But it was those nineteen fifties Sifi are movies that really grabbed me for some reason it so when I wrote Las skeleton, which was in a matter of days just kinda came out, and I was drawing on all this all all of these movies that I had absorbed over the years. But the once the most specific thing, I would say is the crowbar laddis the alien couple are very much inspired by Aeros and Tana from plan nine from outer space. So Ed deserves a lot of credit his his wonderful language. Does nothing quite like, Ed Wood language that was a. Minds student students. You're seeing you see your skewing minds. Still good, exactly. And that was a big influence on me on on on creating a specific kind of language for the film. Not just for the aliens who have very unique way of talking. But but for everybody, you know? I love words, I'm award guy level. I have to tell you Larry the the other normal co host for the show. Karen stolz? No of she. She tends to hate everything. But she really really loves your word play that you writes, she's a PHD linguist. And she absolutely loves the word play that you have. So she has watched everything. So she thank you for that. Now with the law Skelton, the law Skelton himself is the main antagonists, and then you've got of course, while I got Dr Roger Fleming. And then you got the mutant himself as this extra bad guy knows a kind of a common tactic in these nineteen fifties beef films to to kind of have a a team of bad guys. Even if they weren't on the same team, you know, he's kind of. I think it's a very touching finale for him though. And I think that he has someone says he can't he sort of can't help it. I think it's Betty that says that and and so he's sort of he's sort of a mixed bag. I think he's I think he's somewhat sympathetic. Whereas the skeleton is not at all. I mean, we actually have two monsters in the movie the mutant with a great cost costume built by my friend, Courtney Skinner and the and the skeleton himself who is probably the cheapest movie monster you could come up with. I mean, it's a skeleton, you know, so plastic, and that wasn't quite thinking of this intentionally until I got to the end of individ debt that it was you know, you've got Sifi Har what was in the fifties. We'll hear SCI fi and horror in the monsters. The mutants is a SCI fi monster I hadn't set out to do that specifically. But I, but they're they are battling Sifi in horror battling at the end. Like the tool to dual at the end of the university. What a do. It was. It was amazing. Now, I have to ask that I loved the sequel, but we were teased that there was going to be a three cool with the the loss gals from walks among us is there any hope. Well, there's always hope and and that kind of leads me into something, which I I'm going to tell you about I can say this because when this. Is heard it will be after the date when I can announce it. So I can I can say this now that we are doing a we're not Alaska free, but we are about to put out a Blu Ray of the law skeleton returns again with with almost two hours worth of extras, there's a forty minute behind the scenes making of some some wonderful footage there. There's two new short films that I'm making similar to film that I made call a short. I may call a world without loss skeleton, which you can see I'm the on YouTube. In that. Yes. Making two videos like that. And we're going to do a Kickstarter for this. And you know, I think that if this Blu-ray does well, we could lead to perhaps Blu rays of my other movies into and who knows I mean, maybe something like this will help get the attention or. Whatever's due for a law Skelton three we'll see I'm always open minded about about three. But we're excited about the blue ran they it's gonna look phenomenal. So that's good. Congratulations. Thank you. That's very exciting. I I loved you know, some of the against some of the the lines in. Both the original law Skelton and the sequel returns again, we're just great. I love the when they were out in the woods and fame Astor's catcher. Here's some noise. And as the ranger what what it could be. And he says, oh that sounds like something from the monster family that whole little section right there. I really feel Blake should be using the intro of this show. And. To ask for permission to use it. Because you've what? Yeah. If you if you do wanna go that route pleased. Yes. And you know, mentioning Las go returns again. That is more of a monster movie done the first one it it. I didn't wanna do, you know, a sequel it was more of the first one. So it's very different wits a jungle adventure, basically. And of course, it, and it turns into color art, which the film, which was which was a fun thing to do. But the monsters in that the two main monsters in that are the ground Noppadon and the Magara club. And they are each one one of them is named in the scientific matter in the other one is named in the in the more mythological matter gave Nagara club sounds more MS logical ground up. Don, I think is sort of, you know, semi scientific sounding name restored Nantel. Yeah. And again that was the guy didn't like intentionally do. I always thought about that. After the fact that the name sort of made one science based in the other this Allah based. But, but I I was very I was very pleased with that movie. And I think. I think it was. I'm glad we did something that was that different from the first one, you know, because I not not crazy about sequels general everytime. Goodwin comes out for like, I'll look a good sequel so rare, and then every time Ababba cubs out there with sequels are never good. So I I don't really actually what the stats. But it's clear you at least love vintage movies, these old movies and that fifty south. But how do you feel about modern movies are their movies? You really enjoy these days. I don't see everything comes out. I mean, I don't see a whole lot. If something interests me, I go check it out. I think my favorite movie in recent years was a film called triangle, which is truly strange and. I'm interested in films that really go somewhere different in in our afraid to do that. Triangle was one of them. It's about five six years old now maybe and gonna blank on the filmmakers name, it's British filmmaker. And I'm sorry. I can't remember his name. Triangle is a two thousand nine film directed by Christopher Smith. No relation a link to it will be in the show notes that was that really. Stuck out from me? There's another film called coherence, which is really strange. I just I'm intrigued by high strangeness. Yes. It really go somewhere weird in end to in in subtle way. You know that that really intrigues. I'm catching I'm still catching up with movies lies Hugo the other day, which I'd never seen. It was pretty wonderful. And I you know, it didn't sound great to me. I, but I'm glad I saw him was really good. I actually wanted to ask about two things. First off you were talking about naming these monsters in. Law Skelton returns. Again, I've noticed over all of your work that I've been exposed to the names you come up with seem to be pulled from somewhere different formula. I mean, you got strip yalong neuter, and you know, like Lassen crowbar, you've got just these really bizarre names DEA formula for creating character names. Yeah. It's the first most important thing is is does it sound good. Is it like I think of billiard balls clicking together. Does it have a certain consonants clicking together in a pleasing manner? And see if they do that, then it can kinda sound like, hey, that might be a real name. I think I think I wanted to be ridiculous name that sounds like it could be it sounds like it could be real true trooper Newburn who introduces character Andy arts. Yes, love true for Newton's Newburn. I mean, it sounds it sort of sounds right at first. I think about wait a minute true Fionn. Now. That's I think if there's a key. If there's a formula from me, I think it's that well, you know, as big of truth in new been all of the tales from the pub. I just I love them and people need to go to YouTube and watch these they're each about two minutes long, and they're just great. And they kinda to me they recall kind of like a little shorts of like a twilight zone or the outer limits or night gallery, or one of those things was specific show. You were kind of spoofing when you're making that series. It. It comes. I think the when it comes closest to is one step beyond that, John Neuland hosted and and they're available on DVD. You can you can see these not the madness song. No. How's the fun though? And there's a little bit of twilight zone too. I think for instance, the one called. Puppet. For your thoughts is maybe more of twilight zone than one step beyond. Right. Right. But, but I think people think when they watch these two I'm sure some people think that you know, that while he's really, you know, he's really making fun of these shows. But I love the I really love the shows. So I I my interest is in again absurdity, you know, they're like little outlets for being just really absurd and absurdist. And I actually I have a genuine fondness for those actual shows. But they were fun to do. And they were great exercises. Because you got you got two minutes. You kinda ended up. You gotta make your point. You gotta make the story happened in two two and a half minutes. That's it. Which is a nice challenge is nice, filming Jones, do you plan to ever create a movie and sexually set in modern times? Or do you kind of feel like the fifties as your medium? No, you know. After law skeleton cadaver, I mean, I was doing I was doing here for you. And that was a playwright for for a number of years in the Boston area. The first thing I ever wrote was dark western really dark, and I also wrote a very dark play about Irish gangs in eighteen nineties New York City, and I was science fiction piece called interface, which was set in wartime kind of based on the alleged, Philadelphia experiment. And my point is that I'm all over the five, and I love a lot of different stuff. Scale it and kinda got into a. Kind of Comey hold me a little bit there. And you know, what I fall it up with nonetheless, skeleton, the trailer screaming forehead and docket storming. Not so yes. So I'm kind of in. I I'm kind of in that. But I'm doing all these other things I wrote a film with my friend, Kyle rank and files that oh, you know, you know, of course, I know Karl. Yeah. Yeah. And. Choral that with him. That's a modern day setting. I'm disa- film. I'd like to write later this year when I get some deadlines out of the way that is also in a modern day setting kind of a dark comedy. So despite what it seems, you know, the labeling of law skull. I like all this different stuff. Yeah. It it's a an it's great because I've seen a lot of your different stuff. Now. I want to mention to Blake to I don't know. Blake knows that. Larry's got a lot of great artwork. That's for sale Lockton, you know, put stuff sale on whether it's Facebook or whatever. But he's also kind of available. I guess you could say if you've got ideas for something that you would like to have turned into art. He I used to love those old magic or the magician posters. You know, where the hell it? Yeah. Like, the little devils and stuff around there around their heads and stuff like that. And I contracted Larry to paint me and one of those actually me, and Brian and it turned out so beautiful. It was absolutely amazing. Thank such a fun gig really was off. And the thing is people need to know that you know, they can get a custom piece of our work done that has Larry's name down at the bottom. And to me that just makes it so valuable at south. But so yeah, it him up on on Facebook or something if you've got an idea, and you wanna have him deuce work for you. It's it's great south give particular Email or be week. But then it shouldn't as to for for country. We're. The the way as my I have two Facebook pages personal page in the end the public page, and anyone could you know, I get messages through my public page all the time and the same with Twitter too. So Twitter's I'm available on there. And those are the two best ways to reach me recently doing some art for and writing for an RPG. Started last year actually, and it's been kind of a long ongoing gig. And I've done a lot of writing for them to and it's called they came from beneath the sea. And yeah, a very clever fellow named Matty Johns got in touch with me, and he came up with this onyx path. And I nothing about RPG. I still don't know a lot of a role playing games. But, but Nevertheless, I was able to do a lot of writing for because it was fifty Sifi stuff the sort of the base for it and have had some. Real fun to illustrating for them too. So that's been a nice geek, I love real leg aids. There was a call of Catholic is one of his role playing games that I really liked based on HP lovecraft s- work, and they had a they had some modules that were they were called blood brothers blood brothers two and one of the ones they were all basically movie kind of plot. So just various kinds of movies, but your characters go through the scary scenarios, you know, based on a film type in one of the ones they had was Mexican wrestling movies. It was awesome. To be able to sort of play around with that idea in that's ever come to creating things space. But it is neat. How you know despite all the color and all the special effects improvements they've had over the years, and all these other things you could still have such a great time in immense space those movies hold up. Well, in your euro Mayes is I think it's a nice mixture of comedy, and and respect. Actually, I really, unfortunately as much as we like talking to you. This is supposed to be our last question. We'd like to finish bar interviews with this is really our signature question. I don't know if they weren't prepared you or not so little. A couple of shows. Okay. Well, all right. What is your favorite monster will keep can I give you from two answers, which is one for movies in one from a real life? As far as we know it. Sure. Well, the the what I think the one from the movies would have to be the cyclops in the seventies Sindbad. Ooh. That's a good one, which you'd be emoting. There is just brilliant. The design of him or them is more was like nothing before it and it was copy somewhat afterwards. But I find that to be a wonderful wonderful monster as far as monsters that may or may not exist. I just love the whole, you know, the Kelly hopkinsville events the fifties. You heard of effort this. Yeah. Well that to me. I mean is such a compelling story the whole siege on the house. I mean, the whole the imagery of it. Whatever the truth behind it. It's a phenomenal tail. And so that might be does might be my favorite monsters in real life. If I was probably understating it when I said, I heard of it. The the we did a three episode arc on. It is been one of those monsters. I've loved since I was a kid for for the same reasons. And actually, I I still have made I've got shot video of this. But I haven't put it together. Put it online yet at a need to. I did talk about this Kentucky cryptic con last year. But what it is is back in the original case where around that they what are the skeptical complaints about the whole thing was people thought that they for some reason skeptics thought that the family had not actually shot the window screens. They hit just those were faked. They just poked a hole in the screen with sticks. Right. Yeah. And. One of the complaints was that they were shooting out the window with a twenty gauge shotgun. It should made a bigger hole, you know, and and, you know, a different pattern, and then also they were shooting suite two, but they said that could have just been done with a pencil. So I looked nobody had actually done this, really, simple experiment. So taking the notes for how far away the people were from the scream window. I just took a twenty eight in twenty two out in the country shot up a screen window. Really? Yeah. And it turns out that what they had in their screen perfectly matches. What I got in my test. The twenty gauge blows a hole only about two inches across from the distance that they were shooting and blast. Going to increase the father. Just exactly exactly would. But if that distance, it's it's smaller than my fists. It's just a little punch hole, and I've been tape myself shooting this, and I some nice good clear photos that just kinda. So there's a prove anything accepted it continues to support the fact that no matter what was really going on those people were terrified they were shooting out there win. I don't think they were attacked by a gang of. Yeah. Well, you know, if they were house, they probably weren't drawn. That's important. You know, we about recent movies. And I I wanna mention I discovered small monsters last year. Oh, yes. Yeah. A Seth breedlove fan. Heard heard your show when Beth you asked me to be on here. I listened to that show. And just I'm a big fan of those that he's doing is great stuff. Oh, yeah. I love speaking of art. I love the post yard. They put together. I've got one get to on the wall above me. One for the flatwoods is just youthful. That is a great can I should say his recreation of flatwoods monster on no budget was far superior to the show blue book the did. So. It based on supposedly on the flatwoods. I don't though they say inspired. They don't even say. That's yeah. Uses words from actual cases. Exactly. Plus their hearts. Well, Larry, it's been really great talking to you. Thanks. Likewise. Likewise. I I'm just I'm thrilled to actually to discover monster talk. I confess that. I did not know about this. And I'm you know, I'm now I'm a fan. Awesome will bit. We're going to have some new law skeleton fans after this as well. I wanted to ask really quickly. Is there anything that you're working on right at the moment that you wanna squeeze in real quick that we can be sure to mention, thanks. I well, the RPG is ongoing and that they came from beneath the seat. She folks are into our PG fifty Sifi definitely check that out. Lot of fun stuff there and look for the Kickstarter, and they'll be an indigo as for the loss. Couch returns again Ray with almost two hours of extra never before seen before material stir doll you've been listening to Munster talk the science show about monsters. I'm Blake Smith today. You heard Matthew Baxter me interview. Larry blam, I r- director ortis and writer about his work as an independent filmmaker in the creator of the law skeleton of cadavre and much more. Check the show notes for links to the Kickstarter for the ten year anniversary Blu Ray of the law skeleton returns again hurry on over to that link. 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Episode 17: Chris Chapman

Something Who

59:10 min | 1 year ago

Episode 17: Chris Chapman

"So hello and welcome to something. Who In these extraordinary time? Here's something a bit different that hope you'll enjoy. I'm speaking with Chris. Chapman whose producer and director of television programs as well as the author of a number of big finish audios. But the main thing I want to discuss with him today is his work as producer and director of many of the new extra features on the doctor who the Collection Blu Ray sets Chris. Hello and thanks so much for taking the time to talk with me Alabama. That's no problem at all looking forward to great. Perhaps I could start briefly by asking how you came to be a TV producer. Interact turn and maybe then. We'll discuss how that led to you working with doctor who range. Yeah absolutely well. I think a lot of people in business. I think I just began as a nerd. I think I just began as a massive Geek and continue in that vein but I was just a massive teenager as a student for for Foam for television and I just absorbed and I loved Genre. Tally and genre films and I loved Dr. Who and an always gonNA grew up loving and I thought I was going to go off and be a journalist. I thought it was going to go invite them pie. Something and and then just just Vandy League as a student. Studying foam fell into television production While I was still a student before my dissertation was handed in managed. I go to junior job. It as a researcher and it was on Archive TV. It was one of those one hundred greatest shows that always do so one hundred greatest family films and for me. That was as I was twenty one seven. It was just nerd heaven. Suddenly I was interviewing I was involved in interviewing like way Harry Housing and all these kind of idols of of of the movies I was into. I remember Ray bringing along one of the skeletons from the argonauts and and he had an inside a little coffin the Hebrew stand had like you can move its arms and legs and stuff and I just thought this is great so I guess that nerdiness translated into television and then I just what Moab belly I got opportunities start directing things in about two thousand and seven and then in two thousand eight. I realized. Oh I'M BLIND. These doctor who? Dvd's and they have extras which documentaries La- things. I'm starting to make so. Maybe I be pitching for these things that would be good and it was down hall in charge of the range of time so I pitched down and showed him some of the stuff. We'd done that. I've been working on any really liked it and gave me a chance. And then we kind of went phonetically and the doctor who stuff is grown alongside. Mike anetelea work Which is mostly kind of presenting an observation films for the BIEB. A bit of a TV and Sky Channel Four. And and that's gone alongside the Doctor. Who's and then we ended up doing forty. I think forty doctor who documentaries fidelity and then it's been about twenty dollars for Blu Ray so far fifteen to twenty. I think for Bluer. So it's been it's been great and it's still. It's still founded on being a massive nerd and can being massively into these things and and being passionate I guess about doctor who having a big heart for the series and for the way it was made and continues to be made sure. And what was your first exposure to doctor who was h who is a few. Yes as a viewer I. I'm kind of from the very very talent of the original loan so my first memory is of blow. Bits of the mysterious planet of Trauma Tom. Little one to four. So that's why eighty six isn't it so I would have been about five years old when that was all and I remember being really scared by that lady that they find in the end avoid episode to when she's kind of half human half voided that really fit and then I vividly. My parents seem to have avoided. Sharing any of these in twenty four was introduced which my over diplomats are not sure I a bit of dragon fire a little bit a little very indices in twenty four and then huge memories of twenty five and and the McCoy a phenomenon particularly I remember what you remembrance of the Daleks just thinking in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight. This is the best thing ever and inevitably talks about it. Not being popular being beaten by coy in those days but we went out of school and we played the members of the daleks. You know we have run behind the mobiles. And somebody was dominance. Somebody was the possessed girl and somebody be like beating up Alex with a baseball bat so I was always very much of that of that era and then we just got it when it got cancelled. Got Very excited ninety-six when it might come back and then we got it all over again for an earth so that was my fan as a fan. Who's very much started in colon very much? Vesta was when I became F- Yes yeah I mean I I. I fully remember remembrance that that was in my case. I was university but he was one of those things where in in those days as sort of well I wasn't quite teenagers about twenty but as that kind of h you're embarrassed to be a doctor who fan and actually remembers was the sort of thing that made me laugh. Embarrassed felt it was. It was almost okay to come closer to that because it was felt fallacy. You can be proud of the production values as such a step at at that moment in the show's history and also that GonNa two fingers up of the dollar going up. Stan feels like the show is is really regained. Its confidence a lot and I think it's a great time for the show and I never understood when I was starting to buy the magazine at magazine. Starting to reforms of it later on that people would be down on McCoy. Sometimes because for me he was he was he was a huge part of of me. Me Me becoming interested in the show. Yeah so moving on I guess to some of these features that have that have turned up on the bleary so so I suppose my perspective is. I was fortunate enough to to buy the season twelve. When it came out didn't have ably rate players Denard. I thought this this looks with having a crack hat so so so I bought into the range. I guess one of the ones I wanted to talk to you about. It wasn't on that I believe rape but it was the the weekend with waterhouse because I think I said I think it's interesting because you know Matthew Waterhouse is possibly the most maligned actor in all of classic doctor who of course also one of us a massively enthusiastic about doctor who process way was said hated at time. Because everyone's thinking well why wasn't it me on the screen but I thought that's an interesting approach? I suppose a couple things spring to mind one. I suppose is what's the what's the creative process between toby in the front of a new behind the camera and then also how did you go about thinking about what to do with? Matthew to tell his story. Yeah well it was quite interesting towards the end of the DVD range. I started working a lot with toby. Yeah and I feel like we did three docks towards the end of the DVD range. Which were those could looking for. Peter about beyond Newman and then one With Jon Levine living with Levin where we Kinda took Louis through where we can follow up and said you know. We're going to send toby to spend some time with John and then we did. I hate it versus havoc as well all about all about the stunt team on the Patriots and I think we all felt everybody working on those thought. Oh we've really hit a level of confidence and production values which is great and then the DVD range ended. Because we'd run stories release. Oh well I guess that's it that we were dirty more these and then it was quite surprised when we start talking about blue about Blu ray releases a you know a very exciting surprise and so one of the first things. I knew I wanted to do was to continue making things with toby. Toby is terrific as as a presenter casino on a basic levels got he's got the knowledge that he can deal with any donahue situation and I don't need to feed in very much at all because he knows he knows this stuff back to front. Yeah but I think what? Toby underestimates himself is. Toby is amazing with people. Yeah and will put people at their ease and get the best out of them and be generous and he's a great listener and so that makes him a great. Telly presenter. So I was very very keen to get toby back on board and the first thing we did together was only season eighteen bucks. At which was I pitched. I said let's continue. That can a weird weekend format and if Matthew Waterhouse would do what I always said Let. Let's do one could weekend with waterhouse and it'd be really fun. I think I really like Matthew. I think the address has a character is quite marmite and is now to as being controversial over the some people really really love Edrich and and some people hate African and I I think a lot of it is on both sides because we can see ourselves in him as a character. He is a nerd. Onscreen and we're probably reflected more in him than we are in the Mono- or painless show or something like that. And so we can see parts of ourselves that we liken parts that we don't like and I think Matthew has always been quite an enigmatic figure. His autobiography is quite interesting and reveal some some very hard things. He's been through in his life but it's also all written in the third which I thought was quite interesting choice and I thought wouldn't it be lovely to get to know my view and we we APPREC Matthew and initially. I went to see him. I went down to hastings and sat with him in his in his front room. Surrounded by all of these DVD's and books and which. I was obviously very interested. Go this is great and Matthews of quite medicine to to do the film I think he could kind of. He thought maybe you know. Is this going to be ascended up or is this These nice people or whatever and I very much wanted to ratio in the film was would be driven by him in that the film would be hopefully and encapsulation of his personality in his perspective on the world. And we weren't that to have an agenda any of that. We just wanted to catch him at his best and see what what it was like to get to know him as a friend. I I think he. He took a big big deep breath and decided to do it which was fantastic and then put into the phone. We have to have a plan going into that. Can we cannot because we need to be a strong excess locations. We can't just. It's very hard just to pitch up and say oh. Can we film here without being told no quite a lot so we had a plan which we talked to in my funeral? You know trying to get to. The heart of thought. Hastings would be a wonderful interesting location. I wasn't that familiar with and his life is very much in hastings. You know he uses that town. He uses owns his favorite bits of that town. He's very involved in the community So we just grew it out of the things that he loved so it was grown out of his his library at home. Out of love of jazz out of his love of the sea side down and and and his his husband. Tim and so on so that was all that was all very natural. Didn't take a lot of brainstorming. Think most the way to do it. And then so. That's me really working to give the film a framework of. I hope we will go around and visit these places. And maybe address these themes and topics but then then is very much open to toby to kind of improvise and Matthew. Just just to see what happens between the two of them to balance the more I can shut up. Once we got like a shot set at the more I can shut up and let them be and not be directed. Hopefully the more interesting obe. It'll be the more natural it'll be so that was really nice. Weekend had lovely lovely weather Matthew was very I thought comes coast greats in that. I think it changed. I hope changed a lot of perspectives on him. When people watched it that he came across now quite unpretentious. Lean quite charmingly as a passionate person. You know an an a found a fan of the of genre not just a doctor who but of the genre science fiction and fantasy and all that stuff and the original Batman you know. I think people were most see most interested to kind of be voyeuristic about his DVD collection. And I'm I'm all for that. I think you can tell a lot about the library. So he certainly has a pretty good life and he was sent me a message afterwards said ten had watched the film and they loved. You know so that was that was really nice to hear. He took a chance on us and he was happy. I think to have done that. Yeah yeah so I think I think is a really warm Phil I agree with you. I think matthew comes across really well and I think also that doesn't seem to be any side or front to him. If feels like you've you've managed to put him at ease and he is just being himself and I and I think that's that's also quite interesting and attractive to watch so so yeah I think the job done with that definitely. Well thank you and I think a lot of those. Toby a lot of that is that sense that he he can just quite magically. I think in a very sincere way out of the does as a trick or anything but he he can just put people at ease line that and then it means you can build a phone very nice that you can build around that relationship and I. We'd love to do more of those. They're kind of the tricky wants to pitch because they're not forever and I completely respect that for some people. Private life is private and And I guess I always kind of say say. We'll look at the foams that we made that these identify on invasive foams. I think they're films that can really celebrating kind of say something different too often. The things that people have been asked to talk about at conventions over and over again that that that we can see we can talk about something else. Good Cook because it's not actually that much talk about Dr. who in Massell? So We'd love to. I've got a few people that I have in mind. I'd love to offer that to for future box and fingers crossed. We'll get to do that. Yeah good so it gets a different books that but as building also on on those documentaries you mentioned earlier so you you did looking for Lenny. Yes talking about Lenny Maine and I guess that's a follow up to your one on new dispensary. Scott so again I mean that's so that's interesting because on the one hand it feels like a lot of people talked about letting main over the years and then when when you watch the film you think. Oh yeah actually can win. They did talk about an insane. Very much patently. Just sort of said how ca- credit was to work with him so again. That was an interesting one that you drew out a lot of character points about about what he was like. What is life consisted of? Thank you know they were. That's another strand that we do. The looking for strand is is there to really say you know his his doctor who figure who. We probably don't know that much about you know. Wouldn't it be lovely to to know more and to really get to know them and I think with with Lennie Mayne? We'd always heard these kind of anecdotes about his. The chappie said holy flaming cow or something like that. And he's a brash Australian and everybody seems to have liked him and the other big thing we knew was that he died in a boating accident. Yeah and his life had been very unfortunately cut short in his career had been cut short and and we knew that had a big impact in Japan. I guess with with looking for Lenny it was trying to reclaim lean away. It was trying to start from this tragedy that we had to address and we had to talk about is. I don't think it's any hiding tobin. I we're interested in in that tragedy. You know we thought this is. This is interesting. What's happened to them? And we want to understand that veteran we withdraw to maybe that that tragic aspect but actually we wanted it to be home. That then said okay but what happened before that and let let's celebrate the goodness man and let's move away from the Morbid and actually make something that really can cherishes his his life and his memory. And so that's what we did and it was a very sensitive tricky film to make because it was really important to me that the family that Lenny's twin girls who grown up now have their own families. They were on board with the film that they were supportive of the film and that we had their blessing and more importantly that we had them involved. And I think initially they were very concerned. Because it's still very raw subject to me. So many years on losing a father at that is is a terrible thing to live through. And and we had to really. I had to go and really persuade them that we were our intentions. Who Good enough that we wanted to make. Yeah that was positive and I think from that point. We knew couldn't be a foam. That Zeh retraced the minute by minute of the night. That Lenny died could it could go. It could touch on that but it really has to be careful how much detail we didn't want to point any fingers or who accuse anybody because it was very contentious death in when he when he did dine we thought. Let's draw back a little bit for that And and really speak to the people who loved him in an and that meant people Bernard Ribbons involved and Andrew. Morgan the Doctor. Who who is a really good good fender? Lenny's and and then and then then getting a chance to to have have sadie main his daughter on camera with toby and that beautiful suitcase. They open up of photos and documents on these youth at this. Actually the suitcase. He came over from Australia with a soon as. Sadie said Oh. We've got the suitcase. I'm thinking this is amazing. We we can you know. This is a lovely lovely thing to be able to feature film and and I think at one of the most how find things I've done on the Rangers. I I kind of said to myself. Look if Lennon's daughters hate this then we have to listen and do something about it and and try and change the things that they hate and you know. Listen because this is not something where you can wave a contract and say why are you suck we could? Do you know this is something where you need to be responsible and ethical and and so I took the foam to to see Sadie and I didn't want to give her the pressure of me watching it with her over she so I went and sat in the garden outside in the garden. Forty minutes working watched it and then she and then she asked me back in and unfortunately she loved it in the family loved it and we're very very proud and and again but at that point you're thinking blind just have to start again either and it's you have that responsibility to them for them to be happy with going out into the world so fortunately it was a good experience and I think it was Cathartic the family in in some ways you know that something lovely and positive was put out there into the world about lenny so it was good and again you know we'd love to keep keep going and keep keep talking about this people who haven't been talked enough about. It's amazing isn't it? That when you think about the number of issues doctor who magazine and all the books podcast seventy you know. There's there's still people that actually don't know that much about yeah. I think often it's using doctor. Who IS TRUMP LEAN? And saying you know the reason that your you press play on this to watch this is because of donahue but we must you enough to know that you are curious about the world and people in an television enough to to follow this story away from doctor who I think sometimes found him or the doctor community can think well doctor who fans only WanNa know about doctor who and I don't think that's always true. I think I think with those things. People are being prepared to go to other places and and and widen that appreciation because they care about the people involved. I think perhaps Phantom has grown up. I mean there might have been a time when oil wanted to note. That was dr who but but I think we`ve. We've learned that that people have bigger lives in that. And there's more to the story. Yeah I think it connects to not wanting to hear the same stories over nerve. Let's you know particularly with the blue race where everything has come out on. Dvd already most of the stories on DVD of had they're making also series retrospectives. So you're looking at you. The worst thing we can do is repeat ourselves every time thinking what can we do? That's untouched. What can we do have? It won't make you think volleyball this. You know that that you can do something new so talking of which I wanted to discuss with you. The the feature on the doctor who cookbook because it was a washes with my daughter-in-law early teenage she's watched a bit of a classic Doctor. Who with me over the years and so she knew? I guess most of the people that were in it and she loved her and I I really enjoyed it to an and I thought it's interesting because you again. It's another one of those where you're teetering on the brink between so you could. You could do an ad and out satire of you know of the whole idea. The Cath Gary tyranny and the coup. But you pull back from that and actually again. It's another I mean. I guess this is probably going to be a common theme in in your films. It's it's it's much more affectionate. It's about saying okay we. We've done this. This is how it is out there but I actually people really again. I think warmed to the idea that they could actually make their dishes and talk about what they are going through at the time that that carry recipes together. Yeah I mean it was a really fun one to make an and and the cookbook itself. Go Down His. Cookbook is so mad that you can have to embrace economic casseus documentary about that. You have to kind of embrace the silliness and so that all comes at the start the phone you know getting into Your Fisher. Masa chef to come take him and make valve. Yeah and she was really. I think because you really those connection to call in to the big finish. What they've done the she really wanted to do. And you know so it kind of starts as a spoof and then e Yukon I think if you keep spoofing it kind of becomes unfunny quickly and we thought well actually in. This is a really nice setup for an interview. You'RE COOKING WITH SOMEBODY. Then you and you're taking the macabre each other and you're taking the mick out the things that you're cooking but also it's a good environment to then throw in a few unusual questions and and Kinda put people on their back foot. So I all those interviews. Toby does really well of you. You're learning new things about those people about the size of their lives. That again on to do a doctor who des engaged because because we love these people and we and we want to understand them better and so it was really fun to film. It reminded me how tricky cookery shows. Actually out how how how kind of you watch the mantell anything. Oh this is easy and actually doing it. And it sounds really simple but making sure you have both the kind of the master shots of of the of the people chatting and also the right details of the preparation. They're involved in man that never the Twain shall meet never should show you see one camera near the camera. Shot is it's tricky. Venue the new thing cash but it was really fun and and it's Nice that one's been nominated for an award up against kind of broadcast shows up against shows that have a much bigger budget and are made them. If a book estimate tally. And we're just a non broadcast. Tv like blue extra but it's quite nice to think of of a little bit of recognition coming that way we shall see but it was definitely one of the most it was one of the maddest ones and sometimes. I think you know. We've we've got enough ammunition that we could do a volume two and I always thought it'd be fun to get shown as we do the volume two so as the voice right. Yes master chef the professionals but you just think does that outstay. The welcome. Does that outstayed joke? I'm not sure haven't quite decided yet but there are certainly people in the book you know. That's that's a big book recipes in that book that are untouched. Them who knows. I think what's Nice also is in some cases the call him in Nikolai. Get Agenda and Sarah and that kind of interaction of the of the two people cooking kind of tells you something about their relationship that perhaps I mean perhaps you kind of knew anyway but but but you get to see it. Roy Moore the surface pilot task. yeah well. I think I've said this before. But I think one of the key differences between the BLU ray range in the DVD range is interaction. I think that our habits on the DVD's was to isolate people. Do you classic talking head so low interview advocate simpler. It's more controllable. It's an easier to edit afterwards all these things but actually I think one of the defining things that I've been keen on unsettling the vessel Minton. Who's in charge of the range that that we both been very keen on his to get interaction and that to say again. A good way of avoiding the same old stories is to mix it up and put two people together and they will connect to each other and bounce off each other in a way that does provoke new. You know so cookbooks. Very good example. Because we really want to trust Sarah Janet together because they bounce off each other so well and we want to Nick Lowe and Colin together and and I think that kind of interaction whether it's a nat- or investors behind the sofa in it's all about what are these people here like together a lot more that in the future so yes great and then I guess so. Another example of that is where you've got katy manning and Stewart Bevan returning new dairy in your keeping up with the Joneses film which a we always knew that they had a special kind of relationship together but that comes to the fore but also I suppose what might be a surprise is just how much it seems to have meant to the people of the of the town you know that that that event forty years ago still very very up some of memories. Yeah Yeah November on on DVD of green death. I made a making of nine. I thought to myself oh I like to go and location and then a looked at the locations though the locations have been you know the the the kind of factories been bulldozed and the pits. Isn't there anymore and everything else is not hutches. They're still but most of it should just is going to country road so I won't go on location just film this whole in the studio and I always thought that bad about that and so when we came to do season ten on Blu Ray. I thought again about the green death and and looked into a bit more thought. Actually maybe the fact that the pit is closed down. So there's an absence that maybe that's an interesting absence. Maybe that says something about the time in which it was filmed. And what's happened since I'm half Welsh and I've gotTa Lotta Mining in my family. My grandfather was a mining supervisor and and so I feel very connected to the valleys and I know a new that. Katy is half Welsh and Who Ocean of. They both really had that connection and would phone with them before the two of them together and they were boyfriend and girlfriend seventies. They have an amazing connection together very easy together and so I thought maybe we can do a bit of a road trip back to Derry and and actually it turned out to be a lot more than I expected it to be. The people of the town really saw Dr who is kind of the last are for them. Version of that of that community in that it was right at the end of the life of that judgment for the closure so it was a moment when everybody was United. Pride and excitement about what's happening at the pit and I think there's a sadness that comes from that in the absence of of that side of the community and luckily so a lot of those people I was still living in Derry or living in the nearby community and they were really welcoming and generous with us and one of my happiest moments was we after the film finished. I took it back to the pub and Derry that we filmed in and got everybody involved to come down. And we we laid on drinks and catering and and we had a big premiere at the pub and rights together and it was lovely. It was a again you want to say. Thank you where you where you can be. Yeah I think people were genuinely in a bit bemused. I'm sure as to why a doctor who foam could end up. You know but I think very touched you know that we wanted to hear their story and now I'm really happy for it was very hard to make because it was very raining the whole time but I think I think probably the hardest one I've made in that sense but I know that Katie Had A great time and I know the people in Fidelity to so it was definitely and injured with Bessie Bessie. Dean rose has a beautiful replica. Bessie which I was very demanding of unwanted it to do to do lots of driving and retakes and and the engine didn't last very long so I was very appreciative to Dean for letting his pride and joy through that but I I think I think it's just lovely to see Caitlyn Stewart driving around and and that's quite sprightly yellow days. Yeah I think that that was a that was a lovely touch and and I think the fact that they were able to go back to the nut touch that was also a nice touch too. Yeah Yeah we're not hasn't hasn't chased it all about farms and those kind of boating's there's just not often no need to particular modernize on the outside. So much is is easily the most recognizable. I think of those locations methodist that definitely not so much not much of the pet to see. No no definitely Could weep was brought up in Yorkshire and a member in the early to mid seventies they? The copepod came to school and they said so. Selby Coalfield Co for four hundred years and twenty s late. They shut down so it was I mean that's that's the story right across. Britain IDA is not unique to that but it is no but I mean I mean. Nobody loved working down the minds. It was taught work and it was sending. It was horrible but the impact on this community in the primary took away from people thus to weep about. I think I think the bill cruelty of the pits closing anywhere and it's very universal failing but the real cruelty is the lack of thought for what those people would do next. You know if if that chewed said. We're closing the pits. But I've got this big new idea for how we're GONNA save these lives essentially and save these communities then. I'd have a bit more sympathy because Cole Cole had to go at some point but I think it's it's it's it's a lack of mercy and sympathy in that situation that that has allowed a lot of those towns a lot of towns in south Wales to kind of with all novine he no after after the kosher of pet and I think that's a huge tragedy unfortunate. Sure so moving. On there were three different versions of the writer's room that have appeared yet and I think I mean each of them with a slightly different flavor so The first one that I watched was the season eighteen one and the thing that that sticks with me from that is is pride of Christopher age bid meat for his season in. He's in that as I recall very very enthusiastic. Yes and also I mean I I. I wrote on twitter having watched her. I'd I'd enjoyed an almost immediately. The replied to me saying our areas Clarita Wash and gave me a nice little message about that so and also I guess interesting. That you've got Andrew Smith and Stephen Gallaher sort of first time writers in that season and then wanted to older hands as well. You know I I think I I've been really happy working on the writer's room series because I am a writer myself. I always think I think sometimes in the making of documentaries is hard to give the writing the space. It needs to be examined because the fighting happens at the very beginning and a lot of answers from classic. Who aren't with US anymore. And sometimes you just want to get onto location in those documentaries. You want to say okay. But let's get to the place where they formed and stop talking about the whole cast coming on board and so I always felt like we like. Suddenly I was short changing the fighting a bit so the writers who is kind of my attempt to address that I just. Don't you just do something really simple way? You just get the surviving fighters from a season around the table. Get get a few pints down and try and make a very honest conversation and and also you know getting across that sense of the relationship between vitamin A script editor. Where sometimes that's very nurturing positive relationship and sometimes it's Kinda fractious relationship and sometimes it's gang who love each other and sometimes it's a group of people who meeting for first time because maybe they were all completely independent before and the season eighteen one you know is a really great place to start because so many of those writers are still as to whether and I really. I really enjoy Chris bid made you know. I have lots on Christmas Eve from together a couple of times and I know Chris can Chris could polarize opinion. Sometimes I think he enjoys polarising opinions. I think he's a very charismatic. Charming man who says what's in his head and you may not agree with that but but he says and and that's that's a gift for filmmaker to try and and and and work with an having having we had John Flanagan and Andrew Smith as you said I know all the great counters all lovely chaps and the very articulate so that one I thought has some lovely moments when Kinda Steven and Chris go toe-to-toe about story changes and I really. I really liked that. Neither of them can hold back on that and that was really fun. And then writer's room twenty three is all about the missing their season. Yes I think that's much IOS much harder to do. We wouldn't have been able to do one really for season twenty-three itself because so many of the mom on with us anymore but the missing season I thought it would be interesting to look at and we the only way we can do it really by using the big finish adaptations and yet Lovely Chuck who's crouched beautiful art works for us to bring them to learn as much as we can. We had an addition on that Philip Martin. Who'S WRITING MISSION TO MAGNUS? With is that he couldn't quite make on the day so skype. Tim and housing. And is this GonNa work and actually it is really fun Although PM seem obsessed with the food in these things people we can just order what they have in the pub and seemingly the running gag is that that seems to be these giant pork pies and the comments about the phones are focused on these monkeys. But it's not intentional. It's just this is the kind of food these jobs. Serve the the guests that we had in quite keen to to order to order large and then we did the one for season twenty six which might just an edge. Be My favorite simply because it was again. Andrew Capitals Gang of him run road which and in Briggs Emma plot having them all. They're having the whole team that knowing that we've managed to get everybody nobody had had passed on. I think they were such again at the time. In one thousand nine hundred nine and you really see that in their interplay you see that they care about each other. I thought as what's lovely illness is. We use two devices talking about their own work but to have them talk about each other's work in to hear what benefits thinks about survival. Or what in Briggs thinks about ghost light I think is really interesting and you get rich? Feeling awful about battlefield scripts and then everybody telling him not to worry. Because it's and I think it's just interesting to see those dynamics so there aren't that many more out that many more we can do but are like the Republican of maybe two or three more that I consider and obviously if we ever get to do the new series then then the more a lot more. You have to do that without the season one. This season one writes this week. Take him back to that. Chula at the Indian restaurant. They went to in season one year. And do that. But I it's interest. I think it's a series that people into responded really well to and it's quite simple and straightforward but people seem to like them so that's nobody yes. Well I I think as you say the writing of Doctor. Who's always been really key to success? And so and you and and equally as a lot of a lot is focused on the actors over the years so to taking the time to celebrate the writers and enter think about what was in their minds. They were producing the script. I think this is very interesting. And it's good. You'll be able to cap captured the those people while they're still with us so so so yes great. Yeah I mean I really wish you know with any of these things you think. Wouldn't that be lovely to do this? Like twenty thirty years ago and get can AMAC whole contain sticks around don. How in and all of this so sad that we that we physically can't do this but we should definitely try and do what we can an interesting. Also your discussion about the the new series. It would be nice to think that that that sometime soon. Enough time at past that people can give that an honest appraisal. I mean nobody's looking for a for for Russell Davis to start saying that he hates it. Because when woody but I think you know maybe enough times pass. It doesn't have to feel that. He is a complete cheerleading effort. He can be a more dispassionate. Yeah Yeah I mean I. I'd love to think the new series Steph will happen one day. I think. I think we'll have to imagine we'll have to get a good way through the classics owes for that to be even vaguely on the table. Because I think it was aware of how far we have to go with the classic stuff but but I'd love to do like I'm a huge fan of the new series as well and and starting with the season. One box series one. I should say Fox. That would be lovely. I think enough time has passed that people who I think would be able to open up about it. that doesn't mean that you want a kind of all full kissing talent. Those am on the whole thing is it still has to come from a place of of love and has knowledge that it was a massive hit. You know when the show came back it was huge so I think in many ways. It's a very happy show but you can still be honest about these. Things were big challenges and these things resulted in a change to the way we've done things and we shop things with people like focal Anderson and feel very. I think I think very open and honest about about things from those days. I think a lot of those guys just haven't had the opportunity to to speak in recent years about about listening but I think Phil gave an interview to Doctor who magazine a couple of years ago where he talked about you know. By the end of the first week of the season of the first block of season one. They were eleven weeks behind schedule. Mother and that such a at an insight into they were going through and you can tell that in a compassionate way. I mean I'd be if we did the new suit on be pitching. Let's not do a making per story. That feels a bit much. And maybe confidential. Here's the kind of sort of Dunno but let's do like a two hour feature dot series or something that's to kind of what was actually what what was really going on. I'm above everything else behind behind the scenes on on a show that would be my approach and then coming into the quirkier threads that we've already know whether that's the right stuff for the kind of looking forward and so on you know. I think we'd Wha- I certainly want to pitch. Things were consistent with the rest of the blue veins headphones. So hopefully one day you have in which case this could take a while to take to get through to get to the could take awhile. Well as far as I'm concerned I'm very hopeful. Gotten thirty years ahead of me yet so. I'm very happy that it takes you as long as it takes you. Think we'll all be very keen to consume when the Times right and we'll certainly keep on truckin on there's a lot to get through so I guess what I'm really keen to talk to your bad before we come to to finish his Show man I read Richard Mawson's biography of J in t when it came out and I thought I'd I'd read the definitive account till his life. I mean certainly you know. Four hundred pages. There was a lot in there and and and it's fantastic book but I mean I was interested to to to watch your documentary and you come up with quite a few new angles on on Janati. That weren't in the book. Yeah and possibly also the the balances such such that we come away with a with a slightly more sympathetic view of joining. I mean certainly. You've not shied away from the fact that he had some flaws in a a a a and some things didn't go too well but on the other hand it did feel real celebration and semi. I felt quite emotionally intimate it thinking of of the highs and lows of his life all in one. Yeah Yeah I think to an extent desert. This is a certain redressing the balance that we wanted to do with with showman that I think can dr documentaries over the years. There's been a tendency partly because Jones not being around to defend himself. You know there's Minna. Essentially if something went wrong on the show. It was Jones fault and occasionally we'd get opportunity to sing his praises on. I think we did a great show in the Galaxy. Making where you could legitimately say. John Saved the day and unless John had used his knowledge of the BBC. They wouldn't have been able to continue filming and get it made you know throws on showman. I wanted to something that was more balanced towards John and gave a sense of you. Know it wasn't like gave the top job on doctor who to an idiot. Edo knew he must've he must have known what he was doing to get a job and to hold it down and and to make some of my favorite favorite doctor who so so who who was. I think I've I've known for about ten years. Now we're good friends and and I really enjoyed his his his book. You know so tough. Read as the book and obviously there was a lot of of kind of unfortunate tabloid interest at the time. I know it was hard for Richard as as well. But it's a fascinating book and I can't underestimate the the research that Richard put into that book of Triumph Down People from Johns chartered and really pinpointing. I think that potential that John had a young man and the thing that really connected to me about story was the idea of John's life is a really pure. All phone can a mythic Greek lines and fall in his life is almost like a perfect pyramid shape yet for me can lead them directly up to the five doctors and Longleat and directly down from that and it was so unusual. I think to see a life that had such a direct shake to it the tragedy to it so that was the thing I thought if we can compassionately tell a story of of this lies in fall in a way that is responsible and sympathetic but realistic at the same time you know. Then that's what that's what we want to do. You know so we. I went to Richard and I said you know we we don't want to. It's not the way adopting the book. But we'd like to build on the foundations of the book and Tell Our story and so Richard came on board very happily. I think is consultant. And and honestly with a very key interviewee. Yeah and and I think I think in a good way. It's always gonNA end up as a different beast to the book but You can't underestimate that that's legacy. That's the book has that we could build on and I think then it was thinking. What can I do to make this visual in a way that the book count so a lot of the creative on that foam was channeled into that sense of took cameras to every place in John's life? Yeah Co two in air and we can drift through Jones footsteps all the way through his life from literally the House that he grew up in through school through the BBC until all of the houses that he lived at other places that the he knew. And I and I think by the end of the film I think one of my favorite moments that are additive which it Alderson put together. Is that moment towards the end? When John's life is just ended in and out of new then revisit in a in a short montage. Kind of all of those locations Walk back through anything. Well you know the man is gone but the places remain nested in our world and and and I found it very moving to the last last twenty minutes. That foam is probably the stuff. I'm most proud of? I think it was an. It's been lovely actually to see the reaction to that and we were able to screen at the beer fi which really special and and lovely to to invite the contributors to interviewees along to be a part of that and it's been really good to see go out into the world and I did. I had I had somebody when it was announced. Somebody tweeted me and said. Are you going to address all of the accusations about John and I just thought I? I think people need to Be Realistic. About what you can. What you can talk about box is going to be viewed by different members of the family. Quite and I think I think the film is mature and responsible about acknowledging that side of John's life and we can allude to it and touch on that core idea that John. Basically John's greatest floor I think it was blowing the lines and kind of not knowing when to put a separation between the professional and the personal and the fact that he he got too close to fans they got too close to him you know was was was part of that tragedy of of his life and I think part of the way that the BBC perceived as not being proper somehow not being properly. So I think that's okay not too so we certainly we tried to to to be as all encompassing as we as we possibly could in that form and. I think it's the reason I think that foam is the reason that the boxer is a twelve. I think because because it's quite it's quite grown up doc. I hope for that kind of sure for that kind of situation for that kind of box. Yeah yeah so I mean I in my own life experience and career I mean a million miles away from what? You'll make them tentative. But I had a scenario where I ended up in in a role in the organization. I work for where you know like Johnny. It was a new the the role in how to do it and it was convenient for everybody. You know that I see I keep doing that thing because no one else kind of knew what to do but equally. It's you know year after year doing that. Same thing it becomes very difficult at some point you get a bosses less sympathetic and things so Jesus been doing this for a long. You know we do. We really need this to really want that. And my career was fortunate that someone else in the organization saw my potential and move into something else. I got a helping hand and John didn't get that and I think that was what struck me was that there were many people could have offered. John a helping hand but but nobody or if they did he didn't take it. Yeah I think he was. He was a victim of certainly his own is on early success and testament to how we can all have too much of a good thing. You know how John John I think for. We had a few opportunities where he may of state with the less risky option. You know I think I think we talked about this in the film they feed on freelance earlier. You know then things could have ended up very different. And I think he's. He's a really good powerball for how we should all take a chance every now and again and you can stay too long insane role count. I think John Definitely found that to his detriment. After that it was very sad. I think I think that was the thing that I was really interested in just to really be able to tell tell that story and let the viewer decide what they thought. Jong of the back of that okay so so quick with predominant coming towards the end of the time I mean anything else that you want to promote and and to look forward to that send this coming up in terms of of your work playwrights. I mean we've we've got new stuff coming out. I mean I think season fourteen is a really nice one. Really good set and we've done two films for that One of them is a toby. Where we've done a WHO's who revisited. So we kind of looked at the moment br break. I wanted to documentary thought. Well this is really interesting. This is made same time of season. Fourteen goes behind the scenes of talents when it was being recorded and this is the first basically the first documentary ever made about Doctor. Who So everything that we do is kind of is a great grandchild of whose doctor who and it has all this wonderful seventies phoned material of families and kids and and random grownups. You probably know better being in that love of of doctors so it has that can feel of like nearly seven up episode. Yeah we thought we wouldn't be lovely to do a seven up to see what's become of these people and and I really like. It was quite untouched. Like I don't talk to a magazine or any of the other doctor who any other parts of the community. I don't think they've really looked at it. Hopefully so became a real job. After me in Wichita big no primarily to track down those people often you know we'd we didn't know what their surnames were because the paperwork isn't complete food too so so some of them very easy so Casper Hewitt who's the Young- The wonderful young gentlemen in Pinstripe suit aged seven. I think was very easy to track down. Because he's the only cut I'm aware of in the country. And he's now a doctorate Newcastle Union. He's got his own webpage anything. I get get Casper but then some of the other ones were very difficult and basically involve me stalking people and I think on one occasion. I found somebody on facebook who I really wanted to get involved and of course on face but when you message somebody. It doesn't if you're not fend already. It doesn't pop up as of big message. It's kind of it. Will pop up on your screen in a very small way so yeah admits that a non friend is Mitsubishi. And I think that's what happened with this chat and so in my store Chris Moment I saw that he had like a hundred friends on facebook. And I he and I messaged about fifty of them to say this. But I'm trying to get in touch with your friend. If could you just give you a nudge to look at his messages? And that's probably why. There's not approved officially by the BBC but it was the and luckily he saw this. He was a friend told him to look at his messages and he really wanted to do it. And he had an amazing time and nobody was harmed in the stoking this particular but we did definitely get. It was some deep level. Geeky stalking to put it together and I really love and tote. Toby says it's his favorite one of the ones that we've done. Which I know sounds like kind of like promo stuff but I think it's a really. It's a really thoughtful grownup film. That I think those a bit more a bit more BBC four than some of the ones that we've done so I think that will be interesting with loader new stuff I think people who learn a lot. They don't know who's who did. And then the other the bigger the bigger one is We've done a documentary tribute to Elizabeth Slater is. Oh It's seventy seven minutes long and it's very much a we've made the and then I think it was the next one. We did straight afterwards. So you know I think people will see a few visual connections between the two but we've tried to evolve the kind of formats as well and that was really just I mean I think such universally loved figure. Yes that you wanted to make something. That really tackled that and figured out. You know what was going on. That has made her so loved and also be honest about Liz as a character. I think I think Liz would have said that she was the she could worry. She could feel anxious about things and and maybe she never realized quite how good she was. How much was loved headgear? Has This beautiful? You know frustrating but beautiful arc to it. Where she's she's at the toast of Saturday nights in every every kid in nineteen seventy six or whatever knows who she is and then and then I think suffered from top casting in the eighties and and in a way that I think is quite unfair to the talent. She had But then a lot of those stories and they're and with Liz it. Doesn't you wonderful renaissance in this wonderful kind of not just a moment in the sun but a whole extra decade really of fear of of love opportunity and and success and then of a death it came far too young so I think I think I think the film really tries to tell the story in the purest way that we can and we were very fortunate because I think you mentioned lasers name and affection is evident by the people who want to be interviewed? So you know you can get Tom Baker. You get Louise Jameson. You can get David tennant's You know we went to so I'll make one who'd worked with Liz who written Feliz onstage in scarborough and sixties and where we go all the way up to let Tommy Knight from FO- Collins. Talk About Talk. So it's a doctor's very much not limited by classic doctor who is saying. Let's do this whole lifeless start in Liverpool. Let's do let's do Dr. Who and let's do everything else in between and having again the support of her family and Sadie. Sadie her daughter. Sadie Miller has been very instrumental in gives a really beautiful interview in it and I I. I'd be fascinated. See how it goes down because I. I hope it's a real love letter to Liz from fans but with enough of a enough of a maturity to be to become a balanced at the same time and I think I can't can't wait to see what what people think they're like hey didn't like it. Then that's that's Bowden depressing. But hopefully they'll like it told me this heartbreaking in an inner thome. I think we I think came to us in a very good and a very good mood to talk about Liz and is incredibly. I think really. There's a moment in the film. I worked spoiled by a moment when He. You can see the emotions. Really get to talking about lemon. It's heartbreaking because and you realize quite the connection we have as fans to these people and and to the parents they played and yes. I can't wait for people to say. Hopefully hopefully current advice would stop for as far as a West coming out on time that Who knows at the men who knows sure yes? That's the team that I grew up with. Really turn timeless. Yeah so yeah. I'll be very interested to see that and I've gotta say it has come through. Obi lasted to watch that. Well I think I think from the BBC's point of view it will come out on time. It's just whether it could be distributed. I get I guess is the thing. Hopefully everything we found that you don't agree with your account. Climate do here. We're supposed to be wiping out. Paced down through the letter box. Or something Oh Blah so those to and then and then we overly working on stuff for hosted other releases. Some of which have been out some have been announced we. They've announced that fury from the deep animation added Guy Russell's team is working on is out at some point at this day. And we've done a. We did a big making off of fury which has always been a story. I eat at Lloyd's of atmosphere in that story really interesting yes locations and we went and we took some accustomed crew back to the beach near Margate they filmed in and then we went out on a boat as the first filming. We did on a boat where we we took them out to the red sand siefert. Yes which is Geez these five towers out in the Thames Street that were going to gun placements act battery placements in the Second World War and then and then pirate radio stations in the sixties and became a doctor who location taken over by the weed at that point and that was probably the ambitious that we've gone in terms of Put option because that was a very complicated place to access and obviously the weather starts to play a big part but we will flying drones around those structures and putting people back on top of them which is a bit scary but we survived so that the score of the Kunsi. I think the trailer was shown for that. A few conventions but not WANNA be some point this year. It's not fun brew. Haven't finished it yet and need to finish. Okay Chris what we're thanks so much for talking to for so long it's been fantastic. Talk to you a fascinating to hear some of those stories an to understand the process of printings together so thanks so much. Thank you very much. It's been a pleasure.

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Byte James Gurney

"Hi Welcome to season two of bite. This is Tony Tiller. Parenting apocalypse it's it's not the same way that. You know how it works any views usually two to four minutes long, but sometimes they can be a little longer only when you when you live long enough, all kinds of strange things happen. Very right in saying that the Greek heroes the original superheroes. In part because of the hopeful nature of genes vision, but also because of its message of diversity inclusion. I love world, building and someone who did an amazing job of it was illustrator and writer James Gurney. Did you think back in nineteen? ninety-two to Dina Tokyo would become what it is today. I had no idea at all. In fact when I was doing the paintings for Diner Topa I was doing pictures that I was intentionally doing to make impossible to make in a live action. I knew that in the Star Wars era, it was hard to do the water effects, and to do people writing creatures are always the toughest thing to do so I. Deliberately Plan these big epic scenes of waterfall, city and a parade with dinosaurs, because this will never be made into live action, and just about then of course, the digital revolution was starting to happen and. I realized that maybe it would be possible took a long time, but. I think that hallmark entertainment is really gone all out to make dining. topi translate to the screen. As very exciting, and actually to kind of go back to your work, and we'll definitely cover the miniseries as well, but I think what impressed me, too. Is the amount of research that you do on on diagnosing looking at fossil's. Doors at the correct scale. Spokane actually, Dean Foster at one time and I know he's travelled a bit, and you do as well to kind of get that look of the city. The city is of diner, Topi, as well. Yeah kind of specializes an artist in painting, realistic scenes of things that can't be photographed whether it's a historical scene from National Geographic. Or fantasy scene of something that we know must exist out there, but no one has ever seen I. End to do that means getting a lot of of models and elements and people in Costume, and whatever it takes to essentially do almost like a single frame from from A. Movie and the fun thing about being an artist. Is that working away in your studio? You can do? All those things can be the writer and the director and the lighting person, and and the whole thing together. Which one is your favorite dinosaur to draw? I really like Stegosaurus, because it's the most outlandish dinosaur, and when you spent a Lotta time coming up with alien design and the thing about nature. There are things in the fossil record weirder than anything. You could imagine stegosauruses one although it's a bear. Dry stegosaurus is tough because all those different plates are in different angles, and you have to just keep racing redrawing it till you get it right, but. Nevertheless I that's one of my favorite dinosaurs. Was this a boyhood something that you liked as a boy? The dinosaurs right for me I got into him because of a gentleman named Harry. Housing Yeah. I did love dinosaurs as a kid, and of course in those days they were seen as cold, blooded reptiles who lived in the swamp, and I remember the picture in the time life book had the brackish source with the whole body underwater, because just the head sticking out because they said. Said well can't hold up its own weight. It could never do that and it wasn't. Until I became an adult that the new theories came along presenting dinosaurs as dynamic and warm blooded and intelligent, and just recently in the last few years. The bird dinosaur connection has really solidified so that we realize that dinosaurs had a lot of behaviors and mannerisms, and even looked a lot like birds, instead of like reptiles that science of dinosaurs is very very much a part of Diana Topi. and talking to paleontologists about the waves of popular interest very often, they follow these renaissance periods of discoveries, which were were still in and dining. Topa is just one way of playing without idea. What if dinosaurs are bird like dynamic and intelligent? What if we? If. They were smart. What if they were wise and kind of benefit? US Somehow speaking of that I'm sure you've seen the famous I. Think even the Museum of Natural History in new. York area here where the T rex is like standing up almost fully erect, and obviously we found out that hey might not be that way part of what I love about. Dinosaurs is what we don't know about them. We know what the structure of their bones looks like. We have a few skin impressions, but we don't know how they sounded. How they moved or what color they were for a while, people were saying that Toronto could run forty miles an hour, and now an article comes out a couple of weeks ago. They'd say now they could just walk about ten miles an hour at the most, and who knows but being an artist. You talked to all the scientists and. Let them make their case to you and then. What seems to feel right? And what what fits with the latest discoveries, so that aspect of them as creatures of fantasy as it were I, love because we know they were real, but they require our imagination to bring them into being again. Diana Topa is available and even spawned a series of movies and TV special. For Bite this is Tony Talada.

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Sample show for 10/12/20: THE RETURN OF THE BLOB

Ground Zero Media

11:39 min | 8 months ago

Sample show for 10/12/20: THE RETURN OF THE BLOB

"I'm Clyde Lewis, you're listening to a sample of today's ground zero show. I'm Clyde Lewis. And this? Is Ground Zero. Numbers Call Tonight Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero one one that's eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one. You're listening online at aftermath. Dot FM, it's a free streaming service also talked to live dot com and other free streaming service. So they can get all over the web and get his regular time seven PM to ten PM Pacific Time. Here's why we do this is because with all the emergencies and all the crazy stuff debates and politics that was one of your shorts entirety, break away and have a break from it. All we try to do talk about some things that are. Off The beaten path, some strange crazy stuff tonight's exception really The weekend he went out of town to go visit a friend and whenever she's out of town I just don't know what to do with myself. So just sit around and You know you know watch movies catch up on TV shows weekend started to watch a few movies because of the show we did on Friday I watched twenty million miles to earth again. Beasley Amman Julia was grabbing something out of the fridge when he stopped and watched some some of the movie with he was really into the Stop Motion Animation. Of the Emir I think that's really cool. Alexa Godzilla. The Amir is my second favorite monster creation of course, Ray Harry housing. Guy. That created that I was a roommate with a guy who dated his daughter actually. And so when he was in town, I was given the chance to speak to him and meet him. Awesome because I got to meet him I got to meet Forestry Ackerman famous monsters film land. and you know with them, you know it just this guy was eliminated Carl strike in the guy who played lurch addams family he was awesome. Guy The played cousin. It just a number of people that you know in my days of horror I. I had a good time meeting some of these people having fun. Was Interested in the film. He was watching it. and. Then he of course had to go back to his video game. He didn't WANNA watch it for too long is it seemed old of course. You know. But even for me, you know that's an old movie in a really is I'm from the nineteen fifties of course. When the film was over is was really weird. You know I don't know if you watch enough TV to know his lately would covert. I've just been I've just become a couch potato. Dieting again because. I'm not as active, and so I figured you know if I diet I'll probably lose another. Couple pounds, and then I'll be able to get out and get active and hopefully just walk outside and walk back into the House whatever I need to do. But anyway was watching TV. And after The film. You. Know Twenty million miles to earth was over gave me some suggestions of other films I could watch. And one of them was the BLOB with Steve McQueen. Now. As I guess. The BLOB FOR ME I thought was probably my least favorite sci fi film from the fifty S. I thought. It was a silly film. Really. After all later parodied in the film killer clowns from Outer Space. One of my favorite cult films which I thought was interesting and so I once. Spoke at a at a where was spoke somewhere where there was a guy who published to bank zine called deep red. and. It was a fanzine of course really well, done I was very. Jealous of his work in fact, I, told my publishers what I did my fanzine more like deep red. and there's some people that still believe in the art of fanzines and I just love you know fanzines. If somebody has fanzine, they put together a be horror films or Scifi films or even comic books I'd love to see I published my own. And I made money at it. You know a little money of actually we have like beer night. So we'd all get together and staple them together to play the. Birds. TIKI lounge. Salt. Lake. City, we used to get birds TIKI. and. It was It was fun because we'd give everybody beard and then they'd Staple our magazine be lame together called a B. Lame the the lame. The Lane B. Movies that we loved and I believe Brad Nelson was my publisher and I worked with a few other people on it. It was really well done. We had a good time. And so I was supposed to be it. I I spoke at some gathering for that talking about fanzines and how to make him somebody asked me if I would write a guest column. For Deep Red This fanzine and asked you a comparison with the BLOB and killer clowns from outer space. That time learned to my surprise because I was of course you know you do research on things and and you learn something. So as as I was doing research for the BLOB. I practically have the trailer memorized. You know. It came from. Outer. Space. It's just it's such a classic trailers to two teenagers sought I as it fell through the skies and then. And then something starring Steve McQueen cast of exciting other people and I'm like what the Hell's that did they have a list in the woman who played Helen Crump On the Andy. Griffith show I think she steve McQueen's love interest in that if I remember because I was you know I got as much blob. As I wanted to get so I could make comparisons to the BLOB and killer clowns from outer space and so yes, I have that movie practically memorized by heart because of the the the research they did. And one of the things I don't think people get and this is where I changed my mind about the Blob and I really roof on but after watching it and studying it read it. Did you the BLOB was based on a true story? Yeah it was based on I did not know there was based on a true story. Until You know there was There was an article that was published in the Philadelphia Inquirer. You had the headline flying saucer just dissolves. And I'm looking at the article right now ron actually posted it. It says four South Philadelphia police officers had a new explanation last night for what happens to those flying saucers people are we seeing they dissolve? That's what happened. Last night to the airborne object is seen about ten PM by Patrolman, John, Collins, and Joseph. Keenan. The two officers said, they were patrolling a red car on variable of art and you're twenty sixth street when through the windshield they saw what appeared to be a parachute drifting slowly down from the upper air ahead of them. When I seen the thing was at tree top level they said and appeared at appeared to be about six feet in diameter. It settled in an open field near Twenty six three after summoning St Sergeant Joseph Cook, and Patrolman James. Casper his driver said they went to the field to investigate. The four officers stood a few feet from the object they said and turn their flashlights on it it. On the glow almost amiss that looked as though it contained crystals. Collins step forward and tried to pick up a thing up part of the masks on which laid his hands on dissolved leaving nothing behind but a sticky odorless gooey residue. Within twenty five minutes as they stood and watched the entire substance said evaporated. It was so light. They said that it did not even bend. It didn't bend the weeds in which lighted, sergeant. Cook. Notified the FBI a little sheepishly since he pointed out that he'd have nothing whatever to do or to show them when they arrived except a magic circle on the ground were something purple and quite. F- in essence once had been. So they go there's another one that was published in fate magazine in July of Nineteen, fifty four. Says here in October of nineteen fifty during a period as yet unexplained lavender son, a purple glows six foot globe settled lightly under filled in Philadelphia. Pennsylvania scarcely bending the grass with its weight. One policeman who observed it's fall from the sky touched it with his finger whereupon the weird object commenced to dematerialize within an hour or so it was a shapeless gelatinous mass. The Federal Bureau of Investigation was called in, but their conclusion or lack of conclusion was not released to the public whatever these strange aerial objects are. And wherever their origin may be. They certainly merit the objective attention and study of men of science whether station in universities or in the Air Force's project saucer. There are definitely not hallucinations misinterpretations of conventional aircraft. OR MASS HYSTERIA OR MIRAGES So, you have the feel of choirs saying flying saucers just dissolve and then some strange. So yes, this was a true story. Apparently. Got October September nineteen fifty. Two Officers John Collins jokinen swore that they had watched this mysterious object fall from the sky. And they radio to what they were going to travel out to the landing site when they they stumbled upon this Purple Jelly, mass at the crash site so I mean. Seven years later, of course, Jack Harris The guy who produced the BLOB was looking to a creature feature but. He couldn't come up with a decent premise so he asked his friend Irvine. Irvine H milgate to try and come up with something that would scare teenagers at the drive in. So Harris told him that it had to be a monster movie. He wanted to be filmed in color instead of black and white, and it has to be a cheap creepy film. You wanted to have substance characters that you can believe in had had to have some substance to it. He said it's got to have characters and unique monster. has to be a monster. It's never been attempted before and the method of killing the monster would have to be something that grandma cook up on her stove. So milgate remembered the. Decided to write about affiliates accident and make the Blob the protagonist in this thing. Film was going to be called the night of the creeping dread. The Globe, the girl, the globe was also considered someone suggested the molten meteor. And by the time, Harris suggests that the blob well shooting was underway already. So the script never refers to. The gelatinous monster as the blob instead of just called. The mass. So that's how if you WANNA know the history of the movie, the BLOB. was made based on a true story of a couple of COPS saw ufo landed a field in Philadelphia back in the nineteen fifties. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one. I'm Clyde Lewis you're listening to ground zero and we'll be back I'm played and you've just listened to a segment of Ground Zero in order to access the complete archive shows in podcasts you must sign up on our secured server at aftermath dot media. 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Show sample for 10/9/20: YMIR - 20 MILLION MILES MORE W/ RICHARD HOAGLAND AND CHANDRA WICKRAMASINGHE

Ground Zero Media

12:25 min | 9 months ago

Show sample for 10/9/20: YMIR - 20 MILLION MILES MORE W/ RICHARD HOAGLAND AND CHANDRA WICKRAMASINGHE

"I'm Clyde Lewis. And vis. Gives Ground Zero. Numbers to call tonight eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three one, zero. One one. That's Eight, seven, seven, seventy, one, zero, one one. So, when NASA made their announcement. You weeks ago. But they detected fossil team in the gases above Venus. And that it may be an indication of life I was thinking about a lot of things. In the back of my mind that I wanted to share. They set aside. Being too outrageous. Even think about we were GonNA talk about some of the things I I observed. But of course president trump. Got The coronavirus in. So that was the big news story. So we had to delay everything but I had I have a number of things that I've like kind of. I guess. Pile up that I haven't really gotten to about this whole. Venus revelation. But I was younger. There were many science fiction films from the nineteen fifties and nineteen sixties sparked my imagination. One of my favorite films was twenty million miles to earth. And it still holds its charm after all these years. But then it was well. It was very confusing. Confused me how a creature The came to Earth from Venus. Would be able to survive the trip to Earth, but to also live on a hostile planet who's atmosphere is acidic. Well. In a mock science explanation. The life form that was. There on Venus was called an emir that's why am I are emir? Emir gets its name from Norse God that translated when you translate Amir means screamer the guy screams. The emir was this. If you remember those of either be movie fans I mean, this is all academic but for those who don't know about the film, the this Amir was a small reptilian creature and it was actually. I guess you'd call it extreme filed ahead a new of spongy membranes incites body. Filter out Venus is toxic gas atmosphere and because Venus's lack of oxygen atmospheric pressure. These creatures. Were much smaller. There than they were on earth and so they. Were brought back by astronauts on a rocket actually one astronaut. There are a number of astronauts, but this rocket crashed. Actually plunged into the actually plunged into. The water off the coast of Sicily and the ship and its contents. With ought to be lost forever. But a young boy finds an egg. Cute Little Reptilian alien comes out of it. In a cage, the alien. But for some reason, this aliens growing. Exponentially. By only grows to twenty feet, breaks out its structure in this classic scene where the emir tax an elephant. In standing on the Coliseum, well, the creature was created by Ray Harry housing. It's a stop motion marble to watch. It's it's. It's like remember when King Kong came out. and. All the other things like the the the skeleton army and Jason The argonauts. What's the same type of? Animation if you get the opportunity, you should. Actually Watch it. Again, if you get the chance I'm actually trying to find it to put it in aftermath. Aftermath dot media because it'd be nice film to watch over the weekend but I mean. You'd watch it again for fun but still I often wondered how back in. Nineteen. Fifty seven. Before the Moonshot even before the Russian venero probe someone thought that there could be. Life on Venus or any life could come from Venus and the answer of course you know why did they think of is short? Okay. You can say, well, it's just science fiction Clyde they use their imaginations and everything, but you know it would be very difficult. To just explain something coming from Venus. With, the atmosphere the way it is, and I remember there was A. Was A guy. Who called himself? Value Thor. Back, in the nineteen fifties who said he was from Venus and I kept thinking to myself you know I read that story and it just sounds like some science fiction story. And there have been movies about guys, there was a Patricia Neal movie. That she was I can't remember it was Venus film to I can't remember the name of the title of offhand it's kind of like. A low budget version of the day you're stood still. It was kind of more. I don't know kind of boring. But see I know a lot about these movies and in. So you know I try to you know I think it conquered the world remember that movie that was Beverly Garland. Beverly Garland and Peter Graves. In that movie I, think the creature, this cucumber looking like creature. Came from Venus and so and it was all there was another low budget. Even lower. Budget Roger Corman did they did this film called The thing from Venus? I can't So a few films out there. that. were. About Venus. But You know. There's another thing that I discovered as I was doing some research. A. Couple of days ago. I don't know if you know this or not but in. Life on Venus has well. In direct connection to president trump and I'll tell you why. Well. You recall. After Nikola Tesla was. Found dead in his. Apartment January nineteen forty-three actually in his hotel room. In New York. Representatives of the Office of Alien Property US government's office. Property. Seized documents relating to Tesla's work and it was at the height of the Cold War actually no as World War. Two. Actually, it was at the height of World War Two. And Tesla claimed to have invented. A powerful particle beam weapon. Known as the death-ray that could be. It could have proved invaluable to be ongoing conflict the war. So, rather than risk Tesla's technology falling into the hands of America's enemies, the the government actually came in and took possession of all the property and documents from his room New York. It's The New Yorker. Hotel, but he was staying at. So what happened to Tesla's files from there as wells? What exactly was in those files a lot of it was pretty much trotted mystery. Pretty, much right for conspiracy theories a lot of There are a lot of conspiracy theories surrounding Nikola Tesla but after years of you know after years of. Answering questions about possible cover-ups and conspiracy and conspiracy theory. Be FBI. Finally declassified some two hundred and fifty pages of Tesla related documents under the freedom of Information Act in two, thousand sixteen. Now. the FBI followed a with addition releases the latest was. In March twenty eighteen. But he even the publication of these documents meeting questions to remain unanswered in some of Tesla's files are still missing. So three weeks after Tesla died. You may remember that. Donald Trump's uncle John Trump. Was An electrical engineer from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Mit. And And basically he went over the files and he was saying, well, I don't know if there's anything in here of significant value. Johnny Trump Dr John J trump again. Trump's uncle head of the research at MIT. and. He worked in the high vowel high-voltage research lab of MIT and nineteen forty nine. Now scientists. The worked and looked over these articles I mean, of course. Uncle John Don Donald Trump's uncle. He was the younger brother of trump's father fred I mean he helped design x ray machines that greatly helped. Cancer Patients and worked on radar research for the allies during World War Two and at the time the FBI pointed to Dr Trump's report. As evidence that Tesla's vaunted death-ray, the idea of the death ray particle beam weapon didn't exist Lisa what they say outside of the rumors and speculation of course, but in fact. The US, government itself was split in its response to test will -nology the declassified files also revealed something else about texts Tesla and this isn't this isn't a lie this is made up. Believe it or not the FBI's classified declassified documents that were released. revealed that Nikola Tesla one of the most brilliant and prolific inventors known. In. Our world. Came from Venus. Basically, the documents that were released. Claim, that he was not of this planet that he wasn't a reser this planet and he was from Venus Tesla scientific creations considered. Three hundred to one thousand years ahead of their time. All his creations in his later years were subsequently classified as top secret by the FBI. In, that document it's Nikola Tesla part three of three third of three declassified FBI reports about Tesla sixty four pages. With of some stuff redacted, of course, a lot of stop blotted out with black ink. But one paragraph states the following and this is what's interesting and I caught this says quote The space people visited the Tesla Engineers, many times informed us. That Tesla was from Venus brought to this planet as a baby. It was left with Mr and Mrs. Tesla. In a remote mountain province in eighteen, fifty six is now is called Yugoslavia. So the questions remain why did Tesla come to Earth through Venus I mean why did being from Venus Contact Tesla so many times and why did aliens revealed Tesla's true identity to the FBI It's a bizarre statement from the FBI. and. Not only that they were also reports that he used low radio frequencies to contact these Venetians. And also had an invention that allegedly could be used to travel through time. So I may seventeenth eighteen, ninety, nine tussle move to Colorado. Springs. or He would investigate atmospheric trysofi observed lightning signals by his receivers. Tesla stated that he observes stationary waves during this time. Now, great distances in the nature of what Tesla was directing from lightning storms confirmed his belief the earth had resonant frequency. So he produced artificial lightning. With discharges, consisting of millions of volts and of one, hundred, thirty, five feet long these bolts were huge thunder from these released energy that was heard fifteen miles away. In Cripple Creek. Colorado. But most importantly while in Colorado Springs Tesla intercepted strange radio signals. Spread, through the media incredibly fast they were reporting this that Tesla was in contact. With planets outside our solar system namely Venus. And Tesla observed unusual lights receiver Tesla concluded that these signals might actually be signals. That have originated. Somewhere in space. FBI files again, that were revealed by Dr John G trump. Uncle, John Donald Trump's uncle stating. That Nikola Tesla the most renowned. Scientists of our. Time. was in fact from the planet Venus. Hard to believe right but it says so in the FBI documents declassified. Eight, seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one. At, eight seven, seven, seven, three, three, one, zero, one, one, I'm quite Lewis you're listening to ground zero in. We'll be back I'm Clyde Lewis and you just listened to a segment of ground zero in order to access the complete archive shows and podcasts you must sign up on our secured server at aftermath dot media. It's only four ninety, nine a month for the archive shows and podcasts or if you want access to the ground zero online library, which includes videos, audio clips, e books, documents, a social media platform, plus the archive shows and podcasts. It's nine, ninety, nine a month again, that's aftermath dot media at aftermath dot media. Thanks for supporting ground, zero.

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Raymond Benson

Sci-Fi Talk Scribes

28:21 min | 4 months ago

Raymond Benson

"In this edition of sci-fi talk has prolific author raymond benson who is really has quite a trifecta so far this year he already has out metal gear solid based on the popular video game in addition and original novel hard day's debt in coming out this fall. We'll be the union trilogy. Which is a re release of his works as the official james bond author in the union trilogy before we go to raymond benson. Just want to remind you please. The audience survey at sci-fi talk dot com. Click on the button to complete the survey for my podcast page in podcast description. You can complete the survey there if you include your email address. I'll be happy to send you a dvd as a token to five appreciation. Thanks so much. Now let's go to my conversation with raymond benson author of metal gear solid. It's great to talk to you and be on the show. I really have enjoyed your work in the past. And i'm really happy that you're involved with not the novel that you did a novelization for metal gear solid. I think the challenge of that is huge. Essentially you're taking a video game and making it into a novelization form. How did that project come together. And how did you attack. well All thanks for having me on the show secondly to answer your question I was I was approached by Hideo kojima enough who designed the original game He apparently had a short list of authors. That he wanted to do it. And i guess he was a pan of my bond work because it had been published in japan and he He konami and delray. The publishers us had an agreement together to do the books so They asked me. If i'd be interested and i thought about i sure why not you know. I was somewhat a fan of the game My son played it all the time. You know i would watch him play. It and i was interested in a video game designer. Well a computer game designer back in the late eighties and early nineties. So you know it wasn't a completely foreign medium for me Now i had already written some movie novelization. In fact i am i. I'm a one of the founding members of the international association of media tie in writers which is an organization of writers who do a lot of novelization b. movies or tv or games. or whatever. And so i you know there is a there is a a forum to it. There is an art to doing it and It's it's not an easy thing to describe. I mean i would just say that A lot of its intuition. A lot of it is taking the source material laying out in front of you and breaking it down into what would basically be chapters of the books and the gone from there. Now you use to the this is based on the nineteen ninety eight storyline of the game. That came out at that. Time right the first game. Okay so So that must have been easy. At least you're not you know trying to tie everything together. Up to this point i would. That would take more than one novel. Obviously all right yeah. Yeah the planet that there hopefully will be a series of novels. We're talking about doing the second one. Now which is called sons of liberty. What amazes me is that nobody has done this as a film yet. Well i think they're probably talking about it. I don't know. I don't know what konami is plans. Are they kind of keep it close to the vest. But i'm sure that they're they're probably thinking along those lines you happy with the way things turned out after it was all done. Yeah you know it's it was fun The characters are interesting. And engaging it's you know it's very I mean it has a very much a sort of japanese mangled kind of sensibility to it. the characters are kind of fantastic with lots of Sort of extra extra abilities. And you know i just had fun with it. And i you know as long as konami and the publishers were pleased. And i'm pleased. He were intended to try to steer which stay away from that. You pretty much decided to embrace that part of what they came was. Yeah yeah absolutely and and you know. I was pretty had to be pretty faithful to the game. I couldn't go often to into uncharted territory or anything. Any new stuff that i added to the book was had to be approved of course by kojima sons. So everything in it is has gotten the seal of approval by by the man themselves. So it's it's official with the canon the canon piece go well they may convey saints cannon his cannon so there you go that's awesome so so this time you are planning the second one. Have you gotten the green light for that yet. Well we're they're they're sort of negotiating with the and And i guess you know. I'm keeping my fingers crossed and sounds like it's going to happen but you know i can't really say for sure. Does anything can happen. But i'm pretty sure it will. Will you be doing all the series or are they going to bring you know okay. I don't know it's just doing them one at a time so you have a hard day's death i. There is something appealing to me about. Kind of like a rock and roll investigator kinda p. I kinda liked it. Yeah well that that's a much more closer to the to my heart. It's a much more. I mean it is a it's mine. It's an original sure novel. Yes spike barringer the rock and roll. Detective is he is a guy who runs a security firm in new york city for Rock and roll and the like. But he's also a private eye. And i've skewed the rock and roll world to be a very dangerous place. So there's lots of murders and kidnappings in black mailings and illegal downloading and spike has to sort all of that out doesn't sound too far from the truth and you know he. They're the real rockstars you know. We'll make cameo appearances all through the books. And i've already written the second one cool. It'll it'll come out next spring. It's called dark side of the morgue nice and you have Have david bowie and john lennon making an appearance. Somehow whether in david boy definitely makes it appear as john can't make right around but he's definitely referenced. I was thinking it might have been a flashback. Or something like. He has something to do with the plot. Okay okay and there's a lot of rockstars that are and there's there's a big Benefit concerts that happens in the middle of the book and you know a lot of things. Bands are up on stage and stuff. Sci-fi talks conversation with raymond benson continues in a moment. Hi all this is rock. The s o'bannon Creative alienated nation and farscape. And you are listening to sifi talk. That sounds like a cool idea for a movie actually. I think that would really be happy. Yeah well that would be cool. I'd say that again louder. For the producers. You're listening now. I understand you also tied in song references and things like to. I guess they tapped hers and things like that instead of a table of contents. There's a track lifting. Oh there you go. Yeah so each chapters. The name song performed by a particular artist cool and instead of acknowledgment. There's liner notes there. You go and you know it's and it's you know the whole series. It's called a rock and roll hit. So it's a spike berringer rock and roll hit. The next one will be another rock and roll hip. If i do any short stories they'll be rock and roll hit singles. There you go now is where did you kind of he come from where to spike based on anybody or the oil you well he's kind of a conglomerate of a lot of people that i kind of know and a lot of him is me. I don't look like him. I kinda describe him as a big bear of a guy with long greyish hair. He's in his fifties and so he's kinda big and he's the kind of guy you'd see it us. You know at an old like a jethro tull concert you know somebody from the classic rock era. Who's still into it and you know gets right up in front and yells and drink beer and has a big gut and has facial hair but is a nice guy you know. He's he's he's a cool guys into the scene and you know he's like friends dad. Who was a big like rock and roll back in the day. You mentioned jess rotel and ian anderson cave the books and kudos and i've always thought of him kind of like a thinking man's rockstar. So he's he's one of the most intelligent people i know. Yeah definitely He did he He gave me a blurb on the back of the book which is very nice of him. He's an extremely clever to his. We really break down some of the songs and some of the things he's done. I mean he's just really. Like i said i thinking man's garage star and i think that's why a whole new generation has been turned down to death row hotel so it's going they are still going. I know it's amazing. It's really amazing. And he'll do his solo stuff occasionally to yup well. This is a great idea. So that that's terrific. Next one would be another hit. So you have a definite idea of how many you would do or is it. I don't have an idea of how many there will be. I guess we'll see how they go I i would be happy if it just became a long running series Definitely there'll be three But beyond that it kind of depends on how well they do so once again. The title is a hard day's death and you can find that on amazon dot com or anywhere you go though even access it from my side. Because i'm more than i have an eminent associated with amazon. So people can find it that way to you know this year is it's hard. It's amazing to believe to wrap my mind around this. The one hundredth anniversary of the birth of ian fleming creator of james. And i mean obviously you were involved in there actually releasing your bond books as the called the union trilogy coming up in october just two just in time for the movie. What a coincidence. Yeah absolutely. I mean kind of relate to us what that experience was like for you and writing. I mean that's the envy of all characters to write for his double o seven. Well it was kind of a dream job that i didn't even think i was allowed to dream. You know I was working as i mentioned. I was working in the computer gaming industry in the early nineties and Back in the eighties bad way back in the eighties i had written a copy table book called the james bond bedside companion yes and that had been very well received that kind of established as a as a you know bond authority whatever that is and i got involved with bond fan clubs and speaking engagements and things like that. Look while i was doing that book i was writing. I did go to england. And i met members of the family and his business people We stayed in touch. They liked the book. And i did a little odd jobs for them over the years. And then when. John gardner the the author who was before me decided to retire from the gig. They just called me out of the blue and asked if i wanted to give it a Well yeah so. I kinda fell on the floor and got back out and said yeah. Sure i'll give it a shot. And what i had to do. Basically was come up with an outline. I on spec for first novel and let them see it and approve it and they'd also show it to the british publisher and once everybody kind of agreed that it was okay then. I would write the first four chapters on spec and they all took a look at that and finally they all said okay. Let's do it. And i got the contract dry one and then i did that. One that was called zero ten. I remember that in nineteen ninety seven s and once that was out then they signed me up to do more so in total i did six original books and three movie novelization and three short stories cool so over seven years i was the bond author. That's something that's something to be part of that. Universe in any way is is really. It's really cool. Well it's great. You know i'm you know. I ended up just being a footnote whole legacy but it was. It was a great thing to be part of. I i must admit. I mean as somebody who knows bond I mean i mean what did you think of mr craig. I thought i mean the whole franchise not only at the box. The last movie would pearston. Well the whole franchise to me. Just seem to get a hold jumpstart with yeah. Yeah i think that was. The intention was to reboot it kind of like the way the batman series. Exactly again exactly. Yeah i thought casino royale was fantastic. I'd say it was the best bond film since the sixties time between really good ones and boy he really nailed the character and made him his own also made him very familiar to saw more like the original book. Yes exactly yeah. They went back to fleming as as a source. And and i think that was the right thing to do. If you're going to boot something you go back to the source material and try to make him. But it's one of those incredible things were casting is the stories there and then the casting is right in the in the mode of that too. I also thought you know they've actually tried to do that. A couple of times series. You know back when george lazenby did on her majesty's secret service that's right very faithful to the book yes it was actually and at the time it was kind of a flop but now it's considered one of the best bond films ever. Yes it is I think the two timothy dalton films. Actually i thought were very good. I liked him a lot to yeah. He was very He's very much tried to do. The fleming bond yes. I thought he succeeded very well for just for some reason. Those two films were not very popular. Yeah i know but Yeah crag kind of put a suit It was shot in the arm. Is it fair to ask you. If you have a favorite bond actor that played. oh. I don't mind saying sean connery's because you know usually the first one you see always your favorite people a lot younger than me. Maybe saw roger moore i on the big screen l. Always say roger moore was their favorite bonfire on the you know i saw. I grew up with connery. i saw the connery. Someone's in the theater when they first came out. Yeah me too. He's always going be bond to me. Well there's something about cold finger. Coach i think is always be to me. Quintessential pod movie. Yeah it probably will be you know it. It kind of nailed the formula. Did it ever. And they've kind of just been repeating it ever since however it's not my favorite bond movie. I mean it's one of them but I actually prefer Dr no and from russia with love really before that. Oh cool just because they were a little harder i mean they were a little rough around the edges. They weren't they were a little. There were finding their way still. And i just thought they were more true to the books not as fantastic. You know Not as not as out there you know not not not. The tongue was into the cheek is much. That's true that's true now. I liked it. And actually i thought the second the second one from russia with love the that one was great. Because i mean that's the orient express that was a lot of espionage. Takeover plot. Good cold war thriller absolutely. Yes it is. Yeah yeah and then of course. Yeah yeah i mean she was like one of the first really out there bonville but she wasn't that far out which which made her made her believable and she was very perfect for the part. Yeah really was Whose wife she was who she married to hurt. Vile no kidding. That's the original threepenny opera. And wow look talent breakfast. Yeah i do have. A fondness appears prisident. high thought. Well i thought he was a good bond. Yeah he was. It's to be honest. I'm not a popular choice. The only bond. I had a problem with roger moore. I'll tell you the truth. I need to but that's you know i think it was just the direction that the films went in that period. They they made them comedies instead of thrillers. And you know rogers personality and the style with which he plays the character just kind of fit in with that set way of presenting bond. And so you know for a little over ten years. Yeah we had the bond comedies people would ask. We would talk for among friends. Or whatever and i would say. He's he's doing the saint as james bond. I'm sorry that's the way. I used to look at the rest. I think he brought something really interesting to the part. And i'm very happy with the way things are right now and looking forward to the new film in november. I think that's gonna be really good too so they seem to bring in. Martin campbell's the reboot guy and they got him directing the first one and i think they're going to bring good directors that are really going to keep to series going in the right direction. Now so. I think that's one of the things that you do. And i love this magazine. It's right for cinema retro. You contribute to them to me as far as movies about sixty s. I've never seen any magazine. Covers it as well as they do. Oh thank you Yeah cinema retro a lot of fun to work for It is a magazine published three times a year out of britain. And it focuses. Mostly on movies of the sixties. And seventies not exclusively. But that's kind of where our audience is aimed as the baby boomers Because you know we all kind of think. The best movies were made in the sixties in the seventies. There were some classics the classics made during that time. It's hard to argue. That really. And i have a a regular column. That appears in every issue where i picked my favorite movies of of a particular year. Craig i love. Then i also now and then all interview somebody or write an article too so i think my last interview was with john phillip law. Who just real recently. I heard yes. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah he was probably his last interview. We didn't know it at the time. Sure very in depth interview about his work with you know. Ray harry housing and he was sindbad and one of the harry. How he certainly was the blind guy. Ain't blind angel and barbarella was He got his start. Basically and the russians are coming. The russians are coming movie. Yeah yeah so he. He was hot stuff. In the late sixties early seventies puck and lift actor and then he You know he went to europe and started making movies in europe where he remained very popular in europe. So you know he. He was always working now a very cool. I mean yeah. I've always liked same bad. Actually i thought he did a fine job. Yeah my favorite sindbad movie to ray area. The golden voyage the golden voyage. Yeah that's one of mine original one. I kinda liked a lot to you. Know it just had a lot of the cyclops and all that stuff the dragon. I mean those were cool things and all the things that are being done right now are of like the children of harry housing with with digital animation. They wouldn't they wouldn't be doing it if people wouldn't accept it if it weren't for what ray did. Yeah it's really amazing. How he how he really really did something. That really changed the industry and now. Cgi changed again. But that's salako more with the metal gear solid author raymond benson. In just a moment. There is a great magazine. And i just got the latest issue. I love when they do sci-fi things and they just did a feature on a movie called journey to the far side of the sun. Right with with roy innis. Which remember that movie. I i saw a two and it's a very under appreciated film. You know really is. I really liked it and i'm glad they did something on it. And whenever they do anything related they really do. They really do it well. So it's really cool well being type person Saw af is Top ten list. That came out last week. Yes i did. Yeah sor- fine the list. I always pay attention to are the top box office of time. And i look at that list and i see this sci fi movies that are on there and you know it time always seems to really be the ultimate judge of things. So that's what. I look at the way i look at box office. Hit does not always translate into good movie. That's true that's true But i think you know if i are doing pretty good job of picking the good movies please. That two thousand and one was number one. It's kind of hard to beat that one. it really is. It really is hard to beat. It's my favorite movie of all time. Hey i have. Actually i have. It's always a toss up between that and citizen kane. Well citizen kane up there but yeah two thousand and one really changed my life when i was thirteen when it first came out. Yeah you know if you saw it. In the theater god yes. It was just a life changing experience. it really was. It was incredible. You know you had not seen anything like it before and probably didn't say anything like it again for ten years nine years later that star wars came out Nothing in between was even close. You know kubrick was the guy for me. He's a great director. Oh man he was. He was one of my favorites of all time. Yeah he was he. He did a lot of great films during the sixties and seventies classics. And certainly two thousand. One it's just. As soon as i saw in college. They released it in the seventy s. When i was in college and the mid to late seventies and i went to this theater and so they had it in seventy millimeter. Which was stated your. At that time. I went to see at once and i go. I gotta seat again this way. And i've seen it and then i was just totally engrossed in the movie and like the making of two thousand and one. I had to find out how they did it. I loved it. I mean they did. Some of the special effects in an abandoned corset factory. I love stuff like that. But it's a great movie. And i found out what everything was shot. And how they put everything together and how the actress came on the project and everything and it's the movie still holds up incredibly. Well you know it's yeah there's no moonbase in two thousand one but but still it's really more of a first contact story told in a way that we've never seen before a very sort of some people interpreted it to be very religious film. Kind of just depends on how you look at it. You know you interpret aliens or are they got or what you know you know it. Just it he left it up to the audience to decide you know what is movie about. Oh yeah and then. That's the brilliant. I mean people have different Ways of of seeing it absolutely. That's actually interesting because if you look. At hearth saint clark's novels a lot of his seat themes almost border on religious terms. It's really interesting so he was able to do that in such a way. In in couch in science fiction that really made it so different and provocative. I really liked the way he wrote. And you know they're both gone unfortunately and But the movie still holds up. And i would love to see them re release it on the big screen again and really do it up again. It certainly deserves. They did in two thousand one. I know i know that. Yeah they even had birthday parties. I think in one thousand nine hundred ninety nine for how so in her von illinois made a big deal. Ask her banda. Excuse me but you know it was great and oh twenty ten just forgot it just. I felt bad for for peter. Hi to get kind of caught back. 'cause that was just not the right way to go and have it doesn't need a sequel. It doesn't doesn't. They've got a lot of things. Wrong what do you. What do you have anything on your table that you're working out. That hasn't been that hasn't been maybe officially announce jet just finished dark side of the morgue. Which is the second rock and roll. Hit waiting to hear if You're solid to was gonna fly which which i'll jump on immediately probably that happens And if it doesn't then I'll just probably come up with something new. What were you writers. Do you know we think of fiendish plots. I heard you were also either adapting some screenplays. Is that director. Well i already have I have two original novels One that's called evil hours and one is called face blind and i've already adapted them to screenplay and they're one of them at least is getting some some buzz. Oh good but you know. I'll jinx it if i talk about it. Sure sure You know hopefully something will happen in that regard. Well cool well. Hey i really want to thank you for taking the time to talk to me. Thank raymond benson and just a couple of elle's that really important visit his website. Raymond benson dot com in addition cinema. Retro dot com. That great magazine. We were talking about during the course of the interview. And don't forget to take. The audience survey sci-fi talk dot com. Click on the link link there or also on my podcast page. If the podcast description just click on as well. Thanks so much for listening. This is tony. Tomato take care. Hey this is raymond. Benson i wrote metal gear solid the novel and the rock and roll thriller a hard day's death and you're listening to sifi talk.

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Tape #17 - Starcrash

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Tape #17 - Starcrash

"The Crap Run to the SOFA trying to put the legs from this laptop placid wounded wounded. Though why did you have weights. This is working for. I'm assuming is for like the chip stuff isn't it. Yeah 'cause no offense buddy but I don't look at your guy debut swell Sopa. I'm such a beefcake eight gay beefcake about three experience wins and the move Greetings everyone and welcome to another episode of the trash tapes. On one man's trash is another man's treasure and and Oh boy it's Twenty Twenty Ladies Gentlemen and why Twenty Twenty Twenty and myself Johann who is inflicted pain. I and my victim over here Edward Harvey of pretty much in a new zone gang ready to go with this. Sort of semi soft reboot of the podcast Conway. I'm excited excited. I'm very excited indeed. Okay Oh everyone indeed over so excited we didn't properly say hi Lo's that's how this is how we're running people now. This episode is a little bit more interesting than how do because like I said. We're doing a little bit of soft reboot with this one. Where changed the format where changing how things go in how things are flowing and and also starting things off where? We're going for a biggie. kind of a big one. Because obviously we got the new star wars the last The the rise skywalker. Whatever it's called the rise sky will can have you seen have you seen? I have seen it. What do you think a is a bit of a mess? It's not too bad. Boy Is the thing is the editor is such a weird flashy threw up. That's not to see not osteen Mishmash inlaws a bit of a Frankenstein of a movie really. Yeah if this is if like those a free movies that could have been decorated own trilogy. Jay shoved into like two and a half hours. I was exhausted by the end because I thought I had to keep track. You know I wish I had like a notebook. Oh like a crazy persons like noticeboard with strings just so I can figure out what the plot of that one is. I'll tell you something though at least had more than the movie. We're about talk about today. Oh God yeah so. In order to sort of kind of because the rise the sky will come out. I told to add right. We need to start offer the bank we need to get a new soft reboot to the bank and Utah. We should do a star wars rip off movie. There's loads of them but I decided say one that's more tolerable. rable tolerable with air quotes and stuck crash. The nineteen seventy eight Italian star. Wars rip off mood yeah Eh split into warring factions owned the one ruled by the evil is awesome from the leave the has created a weapon weapon so so huge the whole planet to conceal. You must say to try and the secret sauce. It took over and we have a lot a lot to say about it. What did you actually think about the film in general before we go into any details and you mentioned before it's like there's not? There's not a lot going on in the movie plots. But it's like is he's got a lot going forward in terms of the the The effects facts yeah in brackets in in quotations and just a lot of weed obscure stuff beasley That just makes it unintentionally like amazing raising four likely. I'm saying it's like is is is times. It's difficult to get through. Because as the pacing of it and the fact that nothing's booking going on at sides on a we'll get into the mood yet albuquerque general overall. I think they we did the best they could with what money they had. Well whatever made. It wasn't here we we're going to break into some facts about that but yeah I mean the movie itself is the plot was won't be breaking down the plot per se. We're going to sum up best bets but the plot is very bad. It's very simple. But it's padded by lots and lots of traveling. Yeah the the opening sequence is like exteriors series of spaceships. Isn't it scrolling for a long time and they well. It's great about is look like ethics models the Lightbulb Kit. She used to GAZ kid. Yes and like you just took ages to build load tiny bits and I think they just use those that type type of thing because they look exactly like toy spacious again something in a toy store and just painted a little bit and put a string on go like this a spaceship. It's kind of brilliant in that sense but you can hold but other than that. It's also like just as elongated moments like the edits for example. Well just that just sometimes just cutting to a person staring at something very low periods of time or or travelling through space just seems as if they were proud out of those miniatures and says this is so cool. Yeah that we need to see every minute of this cool this and and he just looks like filler. Times doesn't it because it's like they just. I don't know what to do this. But let's just do a long sequence is just basically exterior in five. Just GonNa keep going. How long is this space year? I mean I've seen people do jokes about it where it's just. It's almost like they want to show the beginning of the ship. Right to the end of the ship. Yeah but when you do go quite quickly this will just keeps. It's like slow traveling. Yes it movies like space balls and stuff do things. They edited joke about that. Yeah but you know what it feels like you more. Even though I don't know if the movie came out before or after this Jim remember the Very First Star Trek Jack Movie The motion picture. No Right Star Trek. The motion picture was the very first proper star trek movie. It's the one where you know. TACTICA BOB La Right. They he kind of this. Is the movies quite bad. And it reminds me of that because the pacing similar star Trek. The motion picture really tried to be more or like two thousand one a space on say. Yeah where they really want to show off how wonderful and how cool spaces by doing it very slowly like the the the. There's a show of the enterprise that last I swear to God seven minutes the weekend. It's the ED surprise. Move on Star crash. Feels like that for me if feels like whatever the traveling they oh Christ ABC's Zd enterprise for another seven minutes right. Let's get right into it. Let's go right into a little bit of facts a little bit history about star crash but one thing I wanted to pay back into the background so I know what we have here. This time. It's like good differently to how it on the podcast before where I used to edit Bits or into podcast. But we're going to do some live reactions to stuff because Edward has been very nice at least for this episode to make sorrow aboard. I love it I love it so we kind of feel like old copy. WBZ old school radio deejays and remember. This one from Leo Sayer nobody does nobody remembers the stuff you try to recommend. Dj could grief. But Bob that you have as I describe a little bit bostock crash could you play the zone. I can thank you. Okay if you don't. It's the the Western. TV's rage the bright so bright star crashes a nineteen seventy eight seventy nine American space directed by cozy elite cozy obviously a little bit of Trent talion directors. In completely different name for this movie he went under the name. Louis it went under the name. Lewis Coates okay. So all the Italian directors do pseudonyms in America because they feel like it would sell more. Yeah I think and it makes sense. In that case right it's was it was written by Cozy and few other people as well and actually thought quite a few quite a few big people and surprisingly so one one most notable. The ones is We have juice juice banal. You thank God David Hasselhoff billing top billing hustle tape take the top spots. He does the radio here. I know you are so into being. Dj Ed I so love this look. Look at you with your clip of like David has singing. Oh say do you remember this proposal. No what really cares right and also someone. We're going to have to talk about some Christopher plummer in this Christopher plummer here like this is you know he's Christopher fucking plumber. Right the fact that go into this movie is fascinating right now. I'm not going to break down the plot too much. A brief brief brief summary of the plot is basically this an outlaw smuggler. Her alien companion a recruited by the emperor of the Galaxy to rescue his son and destroy a secret weapon by the evil count. zoff on the cow the CARA. I love the couch. Counts off on fucking amazing. Absolutely amazing the laugh in itself subs the fuck up right to ought to prevent them from leaving this room at all costs you would stay with them until the end. Kill Them if you have to kill them You know a choice of the laptops on and on pure manic cheese basically basically the best way to describe counts off on is he's a pure pantomime villain and I love him for it. It's kind of the reason. Why kind of in love with this new futile facts about this movie on all right so the movie? It's the movie itself actually had had how to sell me sort of decent budget. A million or something about a million a million dollars in seventies money so I wasn't into bad all right wasn't battle. One other thing to mention is the production was interesting. Okay Luigi Cozy actually stated that this is a science fiction movie. It's a science fantasy movie of the buses ultimately saying don't call the science fiction. He's already pretty calling it. A science fantasy a space opera. So we're looking on the lines of star wars and we're looking like barbarella queen the Galaxy. We're seeing that kind of spectrum of weird here again especially I actually. I'll give you actually like Barbara. Clean the Galaxy Actually Kinda liked this movie. Yeah Yeah I mean Stella Star is very barbarella. It's very much Jane Fonda like in just with the sexy everything let's get. Let's just talk Outfits for a moment sure costume changes. And he's just like his. She doesn't need to be that sexy all the time but she just she is okay. Okay no practical okay. I'll have to say something about this outfit right. So basically at the beginning of the movie we are the only a baseball lead actor actress. The hero so star played by car by Caroline. Munro right right. She is basically sexy how'd solo and but she's a she's okay. Let's not lie okay. She moans a lot known a sexy way. Either Kinda But point being is she has a clip of that you go take on. Yeah right MODY is a Bikini Bay battle it was so ridiculous so okay so basically Caroline Munro character stellar actually asked. The movie goes along long. She's actually at the beginning sexy but fully dressed. Yes behalf for the movie. She's literally just wearing a keen. She's losing clothing. Astor move goes along at one point. I think it was a bit where she gets kidnapped by by the space police. And then she's put an she's she's put into this widows mine where she dropping Phantom Power orbs. It's so stupid. Make say when she gets she gets sentenced spider. We'd brain guy in jaws brain guy a jaw. Yeah he sounds like this. Dr Considered it All the argument was studying all video video bar cleaver or knife you really lines for a visa paper giving given the paper you just realize okay who I have to say this you now. Officially a prayer in the jaw enjoyed us. Give give assent to Bikini Babe. It's so saw. Aw Cut it makes sense that she has the Bikini that point because he's a slave but no one else's no but it's exposes too. I was going to say it's because of the princess lead Bikini but came late. That came later did that inspire the Bikini arena layer. Are you saying that George. Lucas saw this movie and said yes. More Pechiney please these bull as the slave section. Yeah do you remember the slave driver you could hear you could in the background like so yes get back to it. Sounds this. Let's step it up the new shouting. For like no reason he'd be shops. The anyone just say the potential angry constantly angry. I kinda love PROPO- stress right. Would you like it could see As how give it to me now now give it to me all the time ridiculous. Love it but from that point onwards once he's in the mine where Star Star as a character both blossoms but also as less clothing for the film by Literally Point. He's wearing nothing but a bikini and this cleaned the director's choice right. Oh Yeah Yeah Ben Halfway through and then you might notice as well second hall for the movie. She's Sarli wearing like a bizarre abso- see fru sort of like suit so she's still the Bikini but she still fully covered in like a mesh suit. Yeah there's a reason for that so Caroline Munro was originally going to wear skimpy leather bikini throughout the entire movie. Even in the winter set whole sane we see the whole seed but the American executive insisted that the writer Director Luigi Kozo Causey. Sorry have one rule where less provocative clothing in the second half of the movie because they thought the film would have problems. Being broadcast also network. Television are definitely. She's she's just a sexy woman he even went fully Klay. Even she's fully clothed boobs and butts right are all on display and if she was wearing just nothing but the leather Bikini I can totally imagine season. We call it shows on TV in fact it's still still heavily edited for TV at least mill section. Like the when when eventually gets the island of the Crazy Amazon women that is edited for television chart dramatically magically. Yeah but again. We're jumping over ourselves all over the place so so the beginning star Sexy Hanso bright smuggler. So we know that her companion friend alien companion Indian Coal Acton Acton. Doj something back to this issue duty you must live dramatic. I can't leave you. You're the only Human Brenda die spoiler. Jesus sorry but ACTON is okay so it's so bizarre Stella Stargate oh come on. You never never do this to me told me like I've done it before. So acton is kind of Luke skywalker of this isn't he. Yeah I A to wait until you get more into like the HALF CARAT too. Because I've got yeah this this those two two similar they are. But I'll say one the thing I actually would argue the Atkins Luke Skywalker pop because these oppose he has sort of weird force like powers but he doesn't explain what his power are what they do completely irregular and inconsistent front. Meantime too many is like Jesus Christ. He's like Jesus he's like Superman. But here's the thing with them even with them right even with Jesus and Superman he the he uses the. It's used more than once wants. So he knows he has control over it. It seems like with him. All the stuff only happens once every time like you said like oh I now I can can do this now. Okay brilliant and says. Oh now I can do this now. I can four. I can throw out like a woman. Smuggled in ice oh I can now kite a semi levitated do this basically if is relevant to the plot you will have exactly also one thing. Dementia I mentioned Acton who it which is amazing is has the most amazing head of hair the best the mess like Blonde Afro. You ever seen you flip in life would good state. You think this is another reason. Why too similar to the half the half also has a nice curly Afro? He does when he from what he appears years later on in the movie his movie with this gorgeous Afro. Wow this definitely proves it was the seventeenth. Basically right this proves it was the seventeen perms Afros will all in baby all. Yeah we then got of we then got then we could lead the two police officers are chasing them right. Those we go thaw and L. Right so l is a L. is a robot now. Do you have D. C.. Just demonstrate while talking about L.. Has the weirdest is choice for an accident. I think in the history of Rowbottom do you have foot. Robot Clinton have one is very appropriate. Please so nice to be turned on again again allow me same old chauvinist robot much I I I had started us to be not again. That'll be on the Bikini Vase May of course so L. is a southern southern Hertha robot I get I think I know what they do going forward with him as well as because basically star wars is like a space western. Isn't it actually. They he went a bit too far and actually made him sound like make him sound like a cowboy but he looks like the robot you'd find in lost in space. Well it doesn't actually like robots all. He just looks like a man in a suit doesn't he doesn't move like a robot he true e is like like rubbery. Marie isn't it. Yeah but it's clear attempt at like like the Free Peo- or they're all ready to yes right but yes we have l.. Who firstly? He's my favorite character because he's so inappropriate like he's constantly hitting on Stellar Star. All the time. And it's it's a time where you don't think it's appropriate like at times way where they're investigating the crashes on like the starship crashes shoes and all this stuff and all and everything else and he just hits could Stanley stop. Stop disease as like in the same old chauvinist robot. It's lucky you. I'm so used to be treated like a like all jacked. Well done you. Who Pro grab this? Robots to make him such a chauvinistic pig we also then have thought thaw is is though is basically a blue skinned like chief of police. Yeah because the whole point is at the very very beginning of the movie star Star Acted like being chased by these two technically space place. Yes basically so you go arg not to. I'm not sure with or supposed to be seems like a little bit everywhere. Ease like alien yeah. He's an he's a blue skinned humanoid. Yeah you don't have any powers or anything like that. Nothing makes makes him like really agent and she's just blue skinned. Yeah and in terms of the stall was cannon to where we would properly fall into is supposed to be like that you back here. He's not Harry. Wow because he's like I even that ship. Yeah and he's like that so companion Pity no but but later on the movie realized that he's not the good guy so he goes through ends up betrayed them so they they have a thought and acts on have a very good fight. You Oh boy you go something for the fight okay. A not a very long time. You should try taking off without asking me verse. Make sure you're dead wrong This is asinine man. It is star Trek TV TV series. Fall try to be star. Wars reminds me early star Trek visit. We've got crushed into the machine. He realized share powers. This laser is it is absolutely brilliant. What good is improvised on the spot? Now she says in the notes that there was no choreography interest. They're making it up. I said Webb's because directed actually have any ideal these debts in this point with Alesi. It's ridiculous particular very much like he's standing there and it's like very draw nine just going to say no clear. You should die from these debt. The phrase dude after couples stop shooting here. But it's not working. Kelaniya actor is too powerful to probably god-like ease obi he he's so thing is though if you supposed to be the Luke skywalker carrot to there's no offer Keno. I'll Luke trains to be a Djeddai. Yeah you just throw so name with these people are already got. The power is already got like. Yeah already at that peak early. They've got nowhere to go lie but then even then you say that but then acting is the one with the lightsaber. Yes so we use totally Luke skywalker. which by the way the Lightsaber Eh? It sounds like this sounds like a rainy. The to put it sounds like sounds like a slide. Whistle is amazing. What's happening at some point in this sort of situation right they get the phone call but again But the guarantor action the interaction by Christopher. Plummer yeah who is the emperor of the Galaxy Water title now interesting about Christopher plummer a few things about how we got the role happen to him. So number one problem was paid ten thousand dollars a day right with a bunch of about a million that that goes pretty quick right user either for two days though so it wasn't that expensive right. There's a there's actually the U. Christopher plummer quite a big known actor the hell decide to pick this role both joking. He said Christopher plummer admitted that he did the film so he could take a chance of Italy for free right because he the his scenes all the scenes were apparently all shot in two days. And that's it one one. which is the hologram sequence? which does it special you go something I come to you because my faithful robot has told me that you how can save sounds no you must be the best pilot in the whole galaxy? The sound tired. He sounds like he's just got the script. First thing in the morning to warring factions and say just read. This one ruled little. Oh Captain Kirk tonight. which is what we're saying? This feels more like star Trek and star to receive troublesome reports from our spies among the league. AAC informed us this is an exposition. Does a new weapon so vast us take a whole planet to conceal it all channeling. We Send William Shanahan EH. The ship came so crews close to discovering county suddenly attacked by when he say look they gov him they look at it. It's looking like this. There's nothing that we think they're expressions awful meticulous. It's like blank space by all at the same time. How haunted stars around secret destroying a guy like a video Game you everybody gets a quest at the beginning of a game totally. This is very much like like this is where the fantasy element kicks in take. When it comes to Christopher plummer? He mentioned they wanted for free and interview. Actually sent this and I love this quote had to share with you for two days. Who Big for two days? He's twenty thousand dollars. Good money good money seventies as well seventies as well good money cut damn good buddy so Christopher said in an interview said Gimme Rome any day. I'll do portrayed Rome as long as I get to Rome getting to Rome was the greatest thing the happened to me on that movie. Yeah the he reminds the my memory of him. Strongest memory of him is in the return. Turn Pink Panther. Yeah yeah he plays like the thief doesn't need that the of charismatic beef. Yeah you'll feed. Oh Yeah Yeah I remember. Yeah I remember Emma from that on the Chris Plante more later now I I've someone more later in his later years where he's doing really good roles by recently. It wasn't even recently like knives out. I think it was. Yeah so you see each so good now that to see him in the seventies in the schlock it just like but then he was just anything paid at these the mouthful yep dislike. I love it L. D. that do that like might open huge but boy huge huge as it was like now but still like you know twenty thousand dollars for two days of filming and being Italy for free and you can tell actually the he wasn't that long because when he's doing lives makes it count doesn't he led a mass. There's massive monologues. Yeah he's he's almost like his he's maybe had an augments direct to say look. I'm only going to do this once. Burger do this once. Maybe twice feeling generous. So he is basically the emperor of guys so he's the one giving the message and saying go on this quest. You got to do this for me right and and just as you probably heard there we were laughing all all over it is that he said that there was a steady starship with his son on it. We just don't know who attacked by. I can't buy cow zoff on right by some weird sort of bizarre red dots okay. Okay it didn't say I've been attacked by red dots. But the booby shows the crew at the very beginning of the movie. Just go attack by red. Floating dot says lots the version I saw that was quite low quality and there was lots of red would also read on screen lighting or like. It just kinda looked so blurry you can see what was going on it just like so much like they were inside like a Jello mold jelly mold. Almost everyone's like grabbing their head at everything was just read. Covered hovered not red dots filters all over the place. Apparently these space red dots. Like this lethal doff. Is like Zoff. John's lethal lethal weapon. Yeah speaking of Zoff on we need to talk about the count so the count is base to count as was played by Joe Spinal and oh my sweet God. Isn't he just the campus thing on the planet he's like is obviously Dolf. Ada County Board is like Ming the merciless slash Gordon. Yes even more even more Camden Ming. The merciless I look. I mean. Here's a weird thing like Flash Gordon would be totally fine for Episodes of trash tapes. Be Frank but even then like it's so fun looking at Flash Gordon and stuff here almost I almost feel sorry for half the cost awesome trying so hard I think he was having so much foam. Yeah you could tell that he was pantomime villain type any issue and it will be fun to play that kind of Camp Evil Villain. He's doing the laugh. And what my one of my favorite bids with him was when it could be a time. The movie reacts to Bad News One of his soldiers comes in presence. Bad is today like the the Ah Ship is approaching and he just acts like watch watts ties and there's just like imagining night light. Imagine if you knew him. And you're like I just saw I've been I've just from co OP. And they didn't have have any Mars bars snickers and he's like what could go anything like does he do. You can do very bad news like I'm very very sorry to tell you but You Grandma died watch all you go the other way go like I'm sorry but we've run out of coffee. What do I know I know you could but yeah absolutely yeah? It's all admit that he's probably is great in it because of his pure cheese right and I think why because of Cape Okay actual there anything else. He's got like a pure Oba's Dracula Cape only when he delivers a big line like flaps his cape and and walks off. Then maybe there's a laugh as he's walking Mike who wouldn't like. This is the thing that I totally get. I understood if I had a Cape I'll be doing all the time. Yeah I'll I'll be floating around doing well. The swoosh is with it or be dramatic poses a doing an evil laugh behind it. Oh totally would but he. I mean he's got really really good lines though to be able to like. I think he's in his right mind to to pull off the Cape floppy and he says stuff like this. My Son Sant can't beat a new GRA. I will be the MASTA universe. The master of the Univer east of the day who doesn't want to be the emperor of the Galaxy. The master of the universe was interesting. Actually just Bennell. who was the the Who was basically count was also the dialogue director on the set? Okay because remember. This was a talion production So so I love it was so loved. Half carts half crew was Italian. Some of the costs was Italian and so it was up to him to sort of rewrite died in English to some of the English speaking members of the crew but also when they had to dub it now okay. Did you notice noticed that there were some weird dubbing issues at the whole movie. Oh Yeah I mean there's just like those kind of movies Often the whole thing is life. Doesn't it yeah especially with Italian movies because Charlie movies already kind of have this structure or movies from Italian movie kind of follow swear. They focused primarily on getting the film saw it out and what they do. Is they get local Italian talion activism actresses to say English lines. Yeah so obviously. They don't speak English very well so obviously then they dub it over with other actors and I heard that it was because sound equipment so so expensive sound recording equipment light sat recording recording. Oh totally so. They often just because of the budget as well. Yeah mostly it was for the budget. And here's the thing well actually Only four members NBA's of the entire crew would were came back. Were able to come back and have their own voices for the English. Dub of the movie Everyone else would dump by different people including Stellar Star Stella Star. What did you hear that? Sultry Voice of hers is not her. It's by a woman called Candy Clark. Who was who actually was the wife or the girlfriend of time of Major Gov who was at all right the reason why they were the only force because the post production budget was so tight and it makes sense because weirdly? Even the movie looks cheap type. I can clearly see the majority of on sats. Yeah all all going on location. Because they went to several different locations they went to very much like star. Wars went to place like Morocco Rocco went to Hollywood. went to places in Rome. went to What other places in the Mediterranean? They actually traveled around. Yeah so they had very little budget in post production so basically L. had his voice chat aged. Yeah Stella Star Hide his voice hide her voice change because it would be expensive to fly them back in right so everyone else was dubbed. What was the the effects which it though well? Archaeology affects budget might not have been great. I I read that. The effects like original effects. Artists dropped out Yes yeah he did so they ought to have to sort something out just like God got to replace him just kind of just did a job. Then Eli off uh-huh well at the same time like I said. The Post production budget was tight so probably going like okay. I'm ready to do this. I want to do all these things. Like oh we didn't have much time on set to do this kind of stuff and and some things on Saturday and have to do and you don't have the money for our run with it. We'll do lasers imposed. They had no money for post. So why all the laser beams ridiculously cheap. Oh my God. It looks so cheap. It's my favorite things in it but I love the sound effects and stuff so they sometimes I can forgive like visuals if the sound is good any slight. He's cheesy sound but it's really good lazy and sounds like even with that. I think all the enough to fix the music calling to save this movie movie up. Yeah the music. I read this while these Jon Barry Barry the jayme fame's James Bond composer all the James Bond movies by John. Barry what are they. Yeah and a little fight. The film makers were reluctant to allow Jumbo to see the movie beforehand in. Casey decided to quit the project. Before you would wouldn't you like I gotTa do this when you talk about the Catis Haida beside the deal I I held him back longest possible to watch them watching a movie. Which is why the music itself almost like you can watch it on its own? It didn't really feel like the music linked and with a lot of the movie they slapped in here and that didn't they like yeah base of each sound. The likes of the story was obviously. Yeah but here's the thing. Do you know who was the richer. You're going to be the The composer another famous Italian composer. Who Do you think? I'm talking about. Anion more coney oh he was originally originally offered the opportunity been even like more like the Western honest but he turned it out but he read the script does the script. It's probably like what are you talking about. What is this the music? Actually I think the music is actually really good at you. You could actually. There was a limited run of on vinyl for quite a while ago. Yes I mean joe embarrassed really good say yes so I think basically like look look up John Barry Right as like look I did stock crash okay. Pa I'm proud of my work so put it up. put it out there so yeah. There was was a brief rubbed off eight on vinyl so really good bits. Well I'M GONNA clip of it in sometimes a dramatic moment. He goes like done done unlike that kind of said he's still kind of like semi rehashing. Some of the stuff he did on on on on on James Bond Movies Doing Excu bits few stings here and there. But it's a good soundtrack and sound effects are old Kinda Sifi cheese you looking for the when the emperor finally as told the gang right go and find my son ships right. They seem to go on his win. macguffin govern trail like they seem to try and find different things on the same time to find the emperor's planet so a little bit like rise skywalker. There's loads of macguffin try and chase in order to get to the bad guy. Sorry sorry I kind of just have little things but rises skywalker. That I would not want to get into does everyone. You're now the move. Okay just say very quick before we get onto this rise. Skywalk is in a bad movie. It's just not a good movie that makes sense. Yeah I mean the thing is a lot of star wars nerds would lay into it like properly but the thing is if you know. The biggest star was key Cava. Uh appreciate it for what it is and is is just okay. It's just not terrible but it's not like it doesn't it's not I I I wouldn't send a lynch mob after you know what I mean. Yeah Yeah I know. I'm just a bit of a mess. But you know he's got some decent moments. We're we're not doing a review of that anyway. It's got decent moments and stuff like that but basically nothing right but the plot's very similar because about a as a bunch of people trying to travel traveled to places dope into different planets trying to find the empress planet. Yeah which is very much like trying to find his planet. It's so bizarre. Watches again at watch rights skywalk gala. Similar I will say that I did like how it looks like all the Gothic cinematography of pulpit team yet all the weird kind on of light flickering lighting on him and stuff was like so golf Nas for us to have you with the sad thing. I think. This movie the Superstar crash now right it needs an propel potato needed so a cheese like yeah. Yeah 'cause the countless to likable wasn't it he was a villain but he was really like he was too cheesy. I use pure evil missing there so on their travels basically basically they go to different plants trying to find coordinates from all. The little pods escaped from the ship to find the emperor's planet. Now now they find free planets so let's go for each one of all. That's actually do festival. Let's do the one. We were talking about most of the thing the Amazonian Sony Women Planet Best One Best Planet the best fucking planet because it's so blatantly obvious. It's tried to baby. It's clearly there for the boobs is no reason why that's the case so l.. Still Star go to the land. The beautiful women basically get kicked up by the whipple by the by these beautiful women in Bikinis and then talk to the Queen. which is I think Corallina? I believe who is the Queen of the of the planet Queenly Zone and women who are Sou- somehow in cahoots with the count but also hates eight every body of the count and there's some kind of prophecy and it's ridiculous yeah. I didn't understand the association I I was just to be honest distracted by the fact that she was just too sexy. I know she's speaking voices. Really like sensual henshaw. The random is that L. L. SORTA gets so L. and stellar stock at kidnap on the Amazonian. Women don't even it's still even much of a fight at the beginning because they just want to play something easy to play something I what a play again take to kill you. It's even worse but it's useful. Only here is the sexual groans. Yeah I mean although I say something the cakes six characters say like Looks like she did the majority of our own stunts right and oh she's a bad ass. Yeah that'd be good. I mean the fights terrible but she's at least pulley like high kicks attempt to cool punches and stuff all in basically a bikini and high heeled boots right. Those are really high Soweto's but the thing is they she first of all she belly puts up a fight. When a bunch of Amazonian women arrive at the beach right and then when she gets kidnapped act L. magically disappears with like L. Disappear for some reason it's like put in a cage or something then they they shoot him? Yeah they shoot him and he economy Blah Blah. He's out of commission isn't it. Yeah he's he's like he's like he's like shoots him and takes the robot in with yeah and then takes their take Stella Star and the see her badly struggling but she looks like she struggled to hobbies to talk to the Queen of the women but before the happens like. Don't talk to us this way. We hit a kidnap you. It was like we already kid be. We're already we're already the palace then she pulls up a fight to to to it takes it to the queen the Queen say the whole spiel like it's a prophecy Blah Blah Blah like. It's nonsense here. This is pure nonsense an l. cubs in I'd obsessive misogynistic shates. WHO's I don't make me tried hurt? You like say wait a minute. You already such a pig to offer to Stella Star and ED. You're like slightly more polite to these women. D- I've met who probably both Catholic clad. I mean this is this. I think this is the time time. When men were like chauvinistic back? Then he was funny wasn't a joke. Male chauvinist pig daylight. But yeah yeah and then then whole sequence happens they find out that a little clue go off somewhere else and this is this. Is the movie itself. Go fruit different planets trying to find more information about it right and as and so the goods the second pine which the Ice Planet uh-huh where literally what's the point of the ice plan that lets you just find something just before they do they just free sit back before we go fully onto the ice planet talk about about the massive giant like the leader of the Amazon women. Yes like sets the Guardian it calls go limb Golden. And I'll tell you what it looks like. It looks like a silver like blow up doll. That's like the size of a building. Yes and his animated like what he's doing is kind of like Stove League all all over the place that really Jerky is I got another one. This color Oh my God all over the place it's like it's like at least discuss percentages and has no idea what to do with it so there is kind of like they're running away from it but it Kinda like. It looks like he doesn't know what he's doing he's probably going to attack them. It's terrifying here's the thing though just to be sure and this happens quite a bit low. The robot other than L. are stop motion and it's because the director was a huge fan of Ray Harry. Housing Yeah I did Actually Adore the Stop Motion Animation. I thought it was charming. I looked stop motion. Oh Shit I lost is not really done much now is nice. I think it looks so gray. Even though he's Jerky I just I really appreciate stop motion. And here's the thing. This is the reason why he went for the Harry. The Ray Harry housing he the Luigi Cozy actually had an interview. Basically was talking about how at the time people like you say. Oh you're doing this because it's very it's a star wars and stuff like that right cozy said this cozy has never never seen the film. He's never seen the film but he apparently he heard. He saw the normalization of the film. In his library he read it and began working on his own version But then later on another interview. He said that he wasn't at all inspired by Star Wars. That it was all coincidence. Because he wrote the script before the movie who became out so basically read the script. I think he wrote the script in nineteen seventy seven just a little bit before the movie. We came out apparently. So he's contradicting his own terms. Yeah but the set the made his main influence was Sindbad. Okay he wanted to Sindbad. I didn't space and this is the ray hardens. Everybody does anyone want to do sit back and space but a lot of the things things I wanNA do Sinbad but in space so this is what the movies and because I get that watching this is sort of like the adventures of Sim bad but in space. It's like Barbara Queen the Galaxy. It's like Star Trek. The only reason why it's feeling so much like star wars is because there's some blatantly obvious things are nicked from star wars like the Lightsaber Luke. Luke skywalker collect character. The bloody counts as that. That zoff on it sounds like Dolf. Come on you're holding little bit too much but I feel like it's this just happened to be bad. Timing is star was didn't come out. Maybe two things happen. This move may not never existed. Won't this would have been the new So yeah that's the thing but I I suppose it's like anyone would say that wouldn't they've been tripolis as well you can. Sometimes you can write something you have an idea before something else comes out. And you'll think no I that came with that I can with idea but then the subconsciously when you become when you go. If he's a film to make you'll be inspired by stuff there's around you subconsciously. A lot of time and star wars couldn't avoid. It was all over the place in like in the seventies seventies. It was the movie. Yeah Eh he got. Surely you've got to just do it for like the the Dala cashing in on it. Because it's like it's so big the okay fights take some of those influences in my movie GonNa love it relief so this is what this one thing. Try to contradict himself a little bit because clearly he was maybe maybe he did find another location. I want to do his own version of star wars because he never saw them breath book liked it. Where later but I think also as well like he was is? Is it be produced for an American studio. That looking for something big stall was came out the studio probably awesome. Do something like this. He wrote basically stuff he knew. So Sim- by I Bob Rela all that kind of stuff and make movie out of it. It just happens to be in the same kind of fantasy genre. That stall wasn't star was did it. Better yeah basically great. Even though like something's purely tough to defend I mean like they star was had ridiculous money to with like how much more do they have live is star. Wars stores was a gamble as well when he came out of time. I didn't think was going to be a big thing. In Fact Star Wars at the very beginning the very beginning the very first draft of the edit was considered terrible And it was saved in the edit. Well here's the thing I mean when I I go back and watch the original star wars now I find the Apis loud you a little bit. It's like I really lie. Empire strikes back and on a return jars not not bad the first movie I sometimes. I'm like okay. We'll be honest though. It's a little slow but I think to be honest. It's still a decent pace stuff. Happens like every ten minutes on stock crash which takes twenty minutes to get some well. God they've gone to the first planet Ni- going to second plan the Ice Planet where she's been majority time just frozen today. Yeah I think that's literally like do we find anything else interesting on the Ice Planet. I can't remember what they're looking for. What they call on it? They just walking around in the snow. Basically finding clues coordinates an information from each planet to guide them to the planet basically the following the pods. Each pod has coordinate and it any believe that one of those free pods has to lead to the emperor's planet. Yes go to second one. Which is the Ice Planet and find the policy and everything else is missing? But he seems like a plot device to get them trapped travis the backstab from from though-. Yeah because this is the thing they are. They're active leaves his ship for most of this movie because he is it's like the he's he's like he's like he's also chewy which is weird. He's Luke skywalker I'd Chewy half or oh my God. It's gorgeous half I'd so he's the navigator so he's also chewbacca right. So you never leaves the ship but then this is where it gets a whole backstabbing thing from full which we played the amazing fight seed from log leverage but obviously dot clips a basic so ridiculous but while it's happening since something bad's happened while these two on the way they basically fall they fall. There have been of conflict whatever it is L. and stellar freeze to death. Yeah like still like Elsa sorta collapses it's Kinda cute in a way 'cause they holding hands while this happen again because Al keeps her alive save by because he's a robot can regulate your temperature thing. Is that connection. So it's holding hands. Boy There is the purpose of wise holding helping hand keeping live basically. Isn't he going. You just macking on her onto your so thirsty four. Oh Oh my God stop being so thirsty. I L the Middle East star is a toll is a very very tall glass of water. Oh my God his well she's like really so she's just has some really nice things by that. Point does an and I really like pervert honor and so two I percents. She's like Oh you're the best companion I've ever had you my best robot Fred. So at some point off to the backstab thaw thaw acton fines that find stellar and L. Owned Mike. Oh My fucking God why you frozen puts him in and using his force mind powers melts basically again. He's like the with these super manpower. Wherever's relevant to the situation he'll have a powerful? I know I didn't brilliant at also very frustrating but greatly by the is is I basically I actually Kinda love because so cheesy. The constant dissolves of how she's melting. God that's like when you first discover light like like cross fades and stove in Edison off. Oh look at least a fax I can do I can. I can blend that that I just laughing I love it I love it. It's so it's so seventeenth so cheesy so fun. This thing is even with all the slow bits. We've mentioned when it find you get something done. It's really fun. I mean he cheesy and so stupid so now she thawed out she realizes we need to go to the third pod. The third part will tell us where the empress planet is like. Go to this place and this place is filled with Capon Evil Evil Cape but it feels like for example. I love this because basically like the directions thinking like right go free planet. What kind of free pants we do? We'll do we'll do different movies. Basically this is like two thousand one space this season it like I kind of felt a lot back and I like this is a model somewhere in the background. Oh my God imagining at the Edgar Fro the bowed but yeah so he ended up going. Onto the planet of this caveman his interesting factoid there was supposed to be more dinosaurs in the movie. There's a dinosaur sequence but yeah yeah couldn't afford as it. was there all right. You go deleted. Couldn't basically he deleted the secrets. The Diet of sole right I want to be like a dino pat they got rid of the dinosaur but they kept the massive blow down looking in the whitsunday weird weird. How Ray Harry Housing booby blow? Bob Dole ropel like nipples like like machine-gun the allston powerless. Yes that state but the dinosaur. Did you think he if you go to Ray Harry housing dinosaur it's like the ultimate tribute. Hi Michael Toledo fucking. Now all right so as usual at this point and he's was actually quite sad at this point so stella an l. again basically started l.. Go on the track activities of the ship because you always fucking he does rights. Because Holy Hell I agr- phobic because I can't believe this is my home like weird places places and obviously the seeing a little bit of a pattern with some of these things. So you know Steph dog gets kidnapped by the Caveman but L.. So the bad happened to L. L. gets gets beaten to a pulp. Those Caveman Snowed Lydia Progressive Scab by rips apart. So the alley's gone now. He's gone. There is no. He's not coming back back. He's been demolished. And this is the moment when Stella gets kidnapped about the eaten alive by Caveman David Hasselhoff. How late does he come into the movie? fouquet top billing as well because a knight rider and stuff like that but like it comes in our into this movie like an hour to fit into this movie and he has top billing. It's awesome later then yes please introduces himself please. You put yourself in great danger just to save me. Where are you from? My name is Simon assignment and the only survivor from the imperial mission. He's the man from the party that he's called Sivan is now. Wow very sci fi kind of thing. Though he's called Simon when he's not prince ways apprentice called prince mode is ridiculous right but could he revealed that he's actually the son of the emperor right his interesting fact you know the very beginning. He's wearing a mask. Yeah full. No fucking reason. There's a reason. Yeah but it's not energy mask says it Angie mask which is. It's it's best bollocks bollocks it's actually reason why okay so so David. Hasselhoff got sick onset from food poisoning. So the what were the mask actually actually a body double so they could film a half the movie right. I did wonder why seem so. Forced the fact that he had explained the energy. Masking schematic when he wasn't when he took it off as you ask is. There's no much around today so I need to put it back home. But he's like it was like you know he just seemed like I'll have to force this line in to explain the mask. It does feel like random random why he's wearing a mask in the first place and why needs to be explained where again you never get. If it's an energy massive provides it with extra strength or something he'd wear to look look damn time he puts con. Although apparently he wasn't the only one to cough up food poisoning feeding buffet. Fe David Hasselhoff spout of onset. Food poisoning was well-documented car. I mean Caroline Munro also got food poisoning had had a close shave with gastric distress which she revealed in an interview with Phantasm in nineteen ninety-three and is what she said in one scene. I need the ball from so bad. I thought it's a good job. I'm wearing a plastic suit over my bikini if you know what I mean. That's that's dropped level in sexiness. Doesn't it a thousand said the bitch. She's worried like the Bikini but like the weird plastic suit she might be eager to poop in it. The stupid they find Prince abode the prince the son of of the emperor of the Galaxy and say. Oh we were supposed to find you. So this. And then and then he reveals riding the Oh is I- acton finally finally leaves a ship and goes and said like Oh wait a minute. We need to We find the empress planet. It's like it's like this is the one we're looking for sick. Oh Really Oh oh. That's it then acted comes with. A lightsaber. BEATS UP A cup. A little lightsaber beats a bunch of Caveman and then goes into an underground lab ABC for some reason and then goes into the whole thing. It's yes and then the rest of the movies just kind of just like the counter. Oh you found my leg but doesn't worry sorry because I have basically I'm still beat it. I know it's too good lines. So many do we have one near the end. I have this now. Let's give a great reception put in use on mytalk GS weapon the doom machines. Send it off towards the capital worlds and destroyed by the residence resist tastic and then the ending. What do you think of the ending? The ending feels like it's a rush job. Yeah I do like the. The explosion. Malaysian takes full force seeks. Yes to it so really it just takes it no. I'm going to leave. I'm just GONNA TAKE I. This is my home. It's going to absorb this explosion. I love it because that'll fleeing stay with me. Stay with me and die here now. Looks bullish without by. And Yeah so the way this is kind of counteracted is very rushed rushed is because when our heroes basically stranded by these rate Harry housing robots the lab the cubs. fucking Noah. Yeah well because of course distress signal says like Oh we found you. Oh we need to leave now because whatever I this is the best bullshit if together he says I have the ability to slow down to now this this would have been useful bucking Suda. Oh my God visit me. Study laughing tried to like coop before himself by saying but but it is dangerous this all the time. Yeah I get yeah basically like you say oh if I did this all the time. It would catastrophe but the same time it's like dude. If you could slow down side we could have sold so many problems. It's like say we've only got forty takeoff. Free minutes is like these free minutes now. Feel like fifteen minutes. It's like this is such a way to pat out the movie because they did play out better right so yeah I think what he comes in and says. Don't worry AB- slow down time. It's all covered covered by this point. They go there. They attacked the count. The count explodes Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah hoping boom ended up moving. And then you get this. Well it's a stars and and planets shine like Oh to some dark force we'll show face small he's radiating is ten thousand eight sequel for now. It's calm for now for a little time. I can rest. My God. Brilliant is almost like you want to have. Ta here daddy face. Because he is so beautiful to what solitaire. It's also a little busy. Kobe is always saying for now. There's no ill for now. Stock crashed into the return of the evil. Christopher plummer voice is amazing. And that's why you can be like a narrator to US though. He just sounds say. Hey great does it a thousand percent. He's one of those people where you know like a top twenty list of people who want to read you. Read Your like Eulogy. Christopher plummer would totally be subject yeah thousand percent. He is his voices like butter is are the he's in this movie just so many reasons. It's just It's fantastic because look at the end of the day. We've already rented so much about this movie as it is to the point that you might think we kind of love it and kind of hate it and I I think we do. I think the review of this whole movie is I love it and I hate at the same time. It's not per se frustrating. Think too much. I think some frustrated with how slow it is halfway bits. But when you're in the thing and you read like the backstory like a fro- some attack set you and everything else you thinking my God. I'm I'm surprised you able to pull this off. Land Lone Star Wars rip off. Let's actually introduce the segment. We've already been doing videos. Put it right here right now. Let's do this so the trash yes Yeah because now we have to include the trash Omega on the podcast because the like this video well it won't be video. 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Then we have trash which is just a sweet spot. It's Noah things like. It's things like things like Bob Wire. It's it's things like the room. Midst things like Miami connection where it just hits the law those sweet spots. Yeah the way I think the trash is. It's like the reason why call it is like some moments or isn't it because you've got the mind below zero and you get like way too high too hot like yes. So he's kind of like you wanted it to be around about the middle to be good is a strike rocking with kind of wanting to be room temperature right then you go below that. And that's tiny bit trashy we don't actually think we we actually didn't think it was trashy enough. It could come. We could have been more trashy more enjoyable and then tame which is actually. It's Kinda animal boring than anything else. It wasn't as fun really angry wages like well. It's been nothing and I so. This is an interesting one on the trash. Omit Sir yes. Let's let's talk about it. Okay so I think I have minded mind okay. Now I enjoyed the hell out of this movie but same taller also reading frustrated all slow traveling. And that's why it's tricky to rank because if it didn't have some of the great stuff a would-be would-be tame wouldn't it but I actually I actually think it's a Tou- I actually think it's too little too is other. I think it's been too trashy and the reason why is because ugh. Oh frustrated I like seven to ten minutes scenes of them traveling looking at the giant Space Church and God traffic for the planets and just staring. BLANKLY KRISTA plumbers talking. I'm thinking Christ. Do something actually physically do something like I. I don't know we could see you could literally out half an hour this movie and you still have. The plot is definitely law filler in there and it's like it also I think it's trashy because he's to ease like is to sex. 'cause it's a bit too sexy full Moore tried to be. Yeah and it's too hot to some points. 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Cinemavino  The Mandalorian, II and III

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Cinemavino The Mandalorian, II and III

"Uh-huh look back to you know. Have Y'all and talk about the man Lawrence and I got Sean Jordan with us. Hey we'll talk about all things star. Wars men laurien interior back. Taylor's Man I don't care I don't WanNa be here. I'm here for the fans basically. Oh this whole thing. I've had it for years. We'll see Andy's got tonight tonight actually question tonight. Let's I'm GonNa Guess Penguins and CACTI things down there hello down South Trust me too. Well moistened. Well I'm out. Okay so I have been ill and so I'm going to be sober for me. This is going to be sober over. Movie Now Sucks Man. Yeah that'd be all been ill I started and that's on me. I apologize and I think my voice sounds more like nick. Nolte wait what year Nick Nolte. I have spoken. I have spoken. This is more like Cape Fear. Nolte's black counselor cooler if you were blue chips or another the forty eight hours nick. Nolte or hope Nick Nolte Shut your filthy horse. Now I think what is students more sling late and maybe maybe I sound more sling blade. I always get nolte and beauty messed mixed Powell. One has teeth. But which one yes exactly. Yeah BBC's teeth are by far way crazier intimate yellow chocolates. Yeah those aren't even teeth. There is a a TV show on MTV in into thousands of this guy who just literally wanted to hang out and they shut it. I don't after like half a season because they're like this is insane. You say it was amazing. I think at one point he wanted to be frozen he was talking about how like I'm with UC or yeah. I can't remember what I want to be frozen. You're GONNA help me because they put us coming on bounty hunter. Amanda Laurean Go Mandeville. NOPE carbonite. He could stand for some carbonite for sure so this is a two and three synopsis of Made Laurie. Yes right cool cocoa. What are your thoughts on episode two Okay Ebay? A stripped John was stripped his ship. Yeah and then I. Yeah I like I was just more of a Western like the more you look into him. Actually a lot more dialogue this episode than than the first one. Because is the first one we were talking about it. We're like he just doesn't talk the whole time. He just SORTA looks around this time he actually yells at some job was done some stuff. There's more you. The more plot disintegrated. That was cool. That was awesome. We're Teddy's well did this. You'RE GONNA get a few of them. There was a so Yeah so I read an article I guess the Nintendo or Super Nintendo they had a star wars game where it was all about like Fighting the I was about how luke had to on their giant tank thing how he had to jump from platform to platform and they would keep popping out of the windows. Throw Shit at him but you. I had to like jump up to the top of the thing and they're like those kind of a cool homage to video cables now interesting a real subtle nod if that was what they're actually. Yeah I was. One of the creators was just subtle a sleigh plan that video game. It was like wait a minute. We need it. But it's been a show subtle like a lot of things that throwback to you know all the movies including the prequels and catch a lot of references. Just I don't know if I like that or not. It's like they're doing a lot of fan service they're they're focusing on like some of the means and stuff and it's it's cool again but I I think we saw with game of thrones a lot of the problems with writing for Fan Service. Yeah it's a tricky. Thank you if you don't do it at all. People get pissed too much people get pissed now I you know I mean Senator Thousand Times not not being Dr Hard Fan. It's like Sean I we're talking the way over here it's just good TV period. Who is like you know I? I don't get into the whole like you know secret meeting or like you know the little video game thing like I could give two shits about that. It's just just damn good TV right. Now I'm just very impressed. Episode to like during my illness was awesome because I was able oh to see young one and then to like pretty quick and I was man. This is just a great visual display and also it just makes me you know very review shows made me want to watch more the rarity were like. I wouldn't mind if this all came out at one time because I would've I would've power-wash watch this thing done by Wednesday of every time it ends. I'm like fuck man it's like it's not. It's not really jam. Impact with story beats but you you're kind of on the mission with the guy and you're you know Zach Yeah but But yeah I mean I'm wanting wanting to know the the Dole it out in small dollops like they're they seem to be short. They're not full hour thirty five Asia minutes per episode. And I I I don't like it I like. I guess I'm kind of married to the hour. Long Show format now where I want more content fan but if I like it that it's like H. B. O.. Where you can have a forty one minute? Episode of Game of thrones or you can have an hour in six minutes they know they don't let commercials or television down eight. How long it has to be time slot time or anything like they just use whatever time they actually want which I think is cool? Yeah that's got to see baby. Yoda eat a frog waiting to. Yeah Yeah we were all waiting for baby frog. I liked that. They're kind of formatting in chapters like the episodes are called Tau chapter three and you can really tell it's broken into chapters. It's very much like story wise. It's very much like a a chapter format. Yeah like I episode is All about Him Mike going on the mission. Pleading second mission is get back. Fight the jobs find an egg. Yeah I know I oh okay this is. This is a question. Obviously the Star Wars people like Todd John and even travis so even traffic when you like. Okay uh-huh I considered you know especially those little more star wars. Okay so what was the name of the creature. They mentioned it in Episode Three Abbott. What what was the name of the creature that he had the egg from the mud horn button work better so what what what is I mean are these is all new creatures being created and asked me what it was like? It's literally call the mud. Finish my sentence was like ah these things like our been created previously. Are these in books. Are these unlike previous like one offs or anything or these are some of these creatures is being made up for the show. It looks a lot like that creature. They fight attack the clone. And the Glasgow okay. So that is a callback to what some of the other liberty similar similar to go go. Yeah and so. It's probably I don't know which was itself. Rahab Harry housing thing that they were doing. Oh Ooh I think all of those were just to sell toys yes though like forums spider guy. The alien had long Harry. Housing was a class that titans type Omar creatures close. Yeah Okay Yeah. That's Kinda how I took that. But this I think it was a reference to that which was a reference to the players Yeah there's a lot. There's there's layers to the references. Even I thought they were just doing lake lake diversion. Of course you know three or four different critters y'all too. I WANNA see your rank Oregon in the movies. Maybe rank core o q you will rank. Were Vancouver that an awesome turn out to be a instead of iota like a baby rancor that they were like an a train to be some big killing Mosser be Waco or or a rank or with the force for score host the the the Shitty e walk movies but there was one like the giant he was like getting or Ganesh. Get something I duNNo. I wanted to see another one of those somewhere star wars. Tell me what are you talking about doing the more you walk movies like I think directive. TV actually talked about the Christmas special holiday special courage courage. Yeah Oh oh now that you're the poorer for it. Is it on Disney boss No unfortunately hopefully some day I offer a waffle year for BLU ray birthday around on reading reading to One. It's better it's original German. Pour your water. What movie was that? Were there watching pizza and water eating pizza. We're showing me some IMAS TI three K.. Or something about like Sandton Martians. Maybe not Santa Claus Conquers no-one causing but there was they were like That was good. It was like they have water. Hurt their pizza. Fucking Poor Kris. Bryant foundry leasts pizza in water airport so poor people suck. This was a very cinematic episode to all these absolutely. You're very cinematic movie. Movie well produced. Well made good look special effects. Here's a question that you know. Do you know where they're filming this. I don't drive catching how shit I mean I'm GonNa Guess I mean the the movies were filmed in Tunisia. The original trilogy. They found that in Mila nowhere now in Africa and then I know that some of it they return for the prequels that same spot. But I would guess if I'M GONNA put out there say probably the western United States probably like Arizona. WanNa he kind of has that feel to it well I like that. They're showing demand warriors like actually being cool rather than Boba Fett who looked. It's really cool but didn't do a whole lot useless in the movie. And then they tried to redeem they had Django fat and the Django Fat obi-wan fight fight in attack of the clones was really cool and then he got his ass rocked by Mace Windu. Yeah at the very matter of seconds that we don't miss the maze then maze got taken out like a bitch and part three well where he got taken out from behind uh-huh what prequel took him from behind on hand man actually just watched Polish rush watched that the other night which is not bad. I think it's my favorite of the of the prequels and I know that for the most part for me that would be the obeyed contest but I really liked a genuine so I thought that was good. I will say obviously the prequels are really popular with younger kids because they kind of grow up around Manheim. I feel like that's a generational thing of like the prequels are there's like an age bracket where like the prequels were more popular than the original trilogy and then are the kids these these days into the sequels or is it mostly. Those movies are being made for the parents. There's certain styles and heavy I would think probably parent now geared kids these days go. Don't have a favorite student loans in their. Ah I got. I'm back student loans. And they're what home so Shaun. What's your favorite star wars movie of all time empire I mean I think that's a straightforward? Everyone's favorite movies empire. Has I think it should be. It's the the best sequel best movie now whereas a kid. I really liked luke getting green lightsaber like. There's also Oh oh yeah. Seeing seeing the color was really cool and like him dressed in all black. I'm pretty sure I wore that outfit for a long time again. Yeah I mean now that could be the generation generational racial thing to as a kid. It's like you fall in love with the little things like that. Like the Green Light Saber. And you know the paneling rank or job is pal too bad ass. And then like Princess Leia in her outfit made me feel funny like when we used to lure open gym class. Send this conversation with. I don't remember who we're talking about. I grew up with the remastered ones. The ones that George Lucas released on VHS. Golden olden black three pack now. That's what I grew up on so I always knew job of the hut being like a big old slug dude with the musical number in Jarvis Palace that was just. That's what I grew up with. I didn't know anything different until I was older and I knew better that there wasn't actually a music number and job. It's just a dude. In the first one in Viru they intended him to be like a man. He's a man he's forty but I had something I remember. I liked Jedi because you get to see Landau flying the Millennium Falcon into battle school now. Because I was being Landau Fan. It was his homeboy in. That had like a weird little mustache in big ASS. lappy gums. I believe his name was Mia Nya Y- of course it was freak me the hell out. Yeah I have that action figure somewhere around here. Of course you did. I'm going to give that to our son when he's older and he can eat that so the here you bite the head off of this guy on this hang on that you pay for college credits. You can't and there were like five dollars. He was he was good and he showed up in the sequel. Yeah I think he was either. The last one of these sequels force awakens. Our last gen-x acts I was like. Oh there's your age you ever see Solo Star Wars are okay. It was okay. Yeah Yeah I wasn't it. Yeah it got it got pushed through like producer Hal when it got hit off to like three different directors kind of screwed over but good cast gave us a little own on background. Story is fun you know. I mean I think if you go to that one not expecting to patty mind blown and just have time. He loves again. What great cinematic watch it? You'd be clean talk about. How fucking sexy? The Mando was when he got all his best Gar armor. Okay the woods. Let's talk about upset. Three three we got full man. delorean like gory shots. s full gear. I want him to get a final jetpack. Everyone Elsa jetpack even at the end. I mean it's kind of like a video game released geared up. Yeah honestly this guy literally elite the first episode has him taking quest to complete armor. Set like he's like I need to. I need to complete this epic armor that I need to complete this quest so I can get this material that you you get those rare Matt's then you can get it crafted. That's that's the entire base of the show so far love it. You GotTa get my man do as raid crafty. I just make sure you read the fight beforehand. The way you know all the stuff to do Jesus how the fuck do the little the dangles the one that beep at at. Maybe Yoda fobs now. How does funds work? They didn't address or something they never. They got a FOB. They never turn it off and so as soon as he takes. Baby Iota out of the room. It's like everyone lights up. Maybe he's got one of those things and I'm like the habit dillard's if you try to take smock. Oh Yeah You know if you try to leave with like clutch everything goes off. I always kind of thought it was like a low jack could be like you got like a baby. Yo Jack the logic is ear. Now he's like one of those Parolees you know like he's Iota behalf we have. We seen his ankle. We haven't I mean I've seen the little foot but we haven't seen ankle that's going to be a little tiny low jack anymore. Yeah it's like did they make a little puppets. MUPPETS is lift up his skirt and see if he's a little boy or little iota. Nothing checking I've been careful not to assume we'll YODA's gender all your more work than I am so I don't know if it's an eight supposed those to be like a new. Yoda like a new version of yoga or is he. YODA's offspring humiliated. I mean I guarantee one thing if if he is a male I guarantee you that Yoda's Dick is bigger than mine. Probably Little Iota Dick. We don't know much about that species but we do know who you mean. He's gotTa be hawking out. Come on they got a little green smokey's he's down there a little Nainggolan middle chlorine a so. What do we think about like episode hole? who was bad ass? Any was awesome. Yeah his whole Oh okay. This is a random thing I didn't know when I was that. Mandatory isn't actually like a race they're just like a set of beliefs that anyone of any race can live live by and once you start living by that that code or Credo or whatever You're considered a main delorean. Your weapons are part of my religion. Yeah exactly it's like a tribe or religion or code or whatever and basically if somebody's Amanda Laurean you're a bad ass fucking fighter because they can eat images as you see that meme of it's like took DNA tasks and you have point one percent. American new weapons are part of my religion. It's good to see people get disintegrated. Yes that's what you sign up for these things see him just one shotting. Some showers Yeah aw again. He's overpainted breaks of this shit. You know he's he needs to be served. No Earth man he just needs better villains. Can they can hang with him. I'm glad it didn't kill car. Weather's Carl weathers. Yeah that's the thing now we're gonNA see Mando on the run for. Everyone is coming after them. I would rather have seen like Carl. winslow been good nowadays hearts. He's holding out for that. uh-huh family matters the reunion and Carl. Weathers is like most people. I don't know if you guys watch development but I can't look at him and not think rest velopment. Maybe you got. It's like you get that and some broth and brought you guys do go on. There's still some meat on that but anyway yeah that was good. It's grown on me. I was skeptical at during and after the first episode of like it was so light on dialogue and it felt so so lean on source. It's like if it's ten episodes this it's going to get a little slow from. It's only eight eight. Yeah it's already gotten picked up for seasons tape ends the week Allender of the week after twenty seventh. Because they're going to take a week off from when rise of SKYROCK. Okay so you get a EH inundated with SARS week as if all the movies streaming you can just yeah exactly but Yup. I'm kind of curious to see where I mean with the presence of baby. Yoda's kind of like a little road movie with the two of them on the run together Lone Wolf and cub on the road again. It's like Silvester Sloan over the top dislike. Love over the I fucking love it though. And if he puts his hat on Macara's talk if he flipped his helmet around backward. I'll take the part where they stop at space rest stop and Mando teaches baby. How arm wrestle? My favorite show ever made wasn't there a part in that movie where they're like having an arm wrestling the thing is. There's like a Tarantula on one of the ends I think this is maybe a fever dream that I put in my own head nobody. I've seen the movie the consideration. Nobody's like Charles. I think you're lying data so I do not remember. It might have been during the the Mike Championship at the end or the competition. This is like deleted scenes like fucking octopus in goonies took it out. Was it. Sky Fall off. Were there they have the Tarantulas. The drinking and what was it my crazy did I dream that. They're having like a drinking contest. We shared the same fever dream about tarantulas. And this guy my phone I think we you and I are having the same dreams. Were you falling last night in years because I was this is years ago. Okay this is like the Barron's team bears Berinstain No side note. Have you seen the commercial. Where the bears wearing white undies and his parents are afraid to pick up his to have skid marks on them in there that the Sherman bear being passes with? This is a fine. How can there hasn't been a porn parody of star wars there is really there's about Masoum foreign parity about it like recent ones who was actresses Travis Travis? Come on well so we so we talked about it. We don't you guys said it exists guys guys mandatory in episode four. I will have all the information age. Acquire thank you about Star Wars Spoof. My parents earns listen to this podcast stormy Daniels Anyway. So we had more thoughts on on the Mando remained lawrence pretty sweet. Okay so having don't tree did. I don't understand yeah the heavy machine-gun like chain run into his little. You shoot lasers what what does that was. The Belt Do. Heavy lasers extra heavy mazars. What does the belt do? What's it feeding like? Is it all water. Cooler is keeping get cold so it doesn't tracers also disintegrated. I don't know maybe so I understand. Let's talk about the the whistling. Oh yeah and why are they so finding and why can't you just call them back and she was like okay. Use this carefully like you only have so many two minutes in. He's like Oh fuck this fuck that noise. I need more multi-use risk things. They just say we saw you got a flame thrower yet willing whereas we got a wrist mounted ripcord launcher. He also had like a remote thing where you could like tug. Okay fuck everything I said until just now I want that little fucking baby crib. I want to float around on your screen awesome. That looked comfy if any of US needed. It's todd yeah I mean he's GonNa float around a little bassinet. That looks like that. Just sorta like covers. I well no large enough to where I can finish it. You know I would ride in battle are you. Are you in reverse engineering. Wally gotTa Fat People that just rolled around and give of it. This is looks more comfortable. I mean we can. We can work through logistics. ooh blaster go. We we have an attached. I mean you can hol turbines maybe we who have schilling when the thing is closed and then I just have like a lick video camera outside and just be in little ball and just like basically. You're just creating a tank. Okay but hover tank okay. Yep Yep todd yeah laugh so we're just kind of staring at each other awesome. What's been your favorite pair of mandates that you've words of work do you think they're going to us? I hope healthy do longs. Did you huckle Lougee. No you vomit. No Oh hey hey guys thank it. Should we be sponsored by Vanillin. Exactly Yeah Yeah. You can't breathe. Try to you by bureau. She actual here at work on the podcast so made laurine thumbs up all around. Yeah yeah three films up so far. Yeah so what are we expecting next. WHO's coming after him did he? He didn't kill Werner Herzog. Did he no MHM. He wasn't in the room when Eastern Gasol. They are Carl weathers. Whatever name is what is he's the he was speaking fees? I would like to see a a a reprise of the hut. I want to see a rise. The huts yeah. ooh See some familiar characters. Come back perserve well. It doesn't have to be you know job age Outta Ya. Aw Baby Java. I'm down with that I mean. The huts played played a part in the first movie. Phantom menace is not the first movie. Yeah so they're definitely out there little crime syndicate but I don't think I think they're enemy is definitely a empire related. I'm just waiting for Gina Krona to show up because she hot old school stormtroopers. Do you think took out quite a few and I don't think they were designed to live forever so you're thinking clones. These are conscripts. The empire was built up concert conscript. Oh yeah so. How many would what was your question? How many left? I mean of the Empire's is dissolved. So these guys are just like old school stragglers who were just hanging out with the client as his name is going to be a finite resource. Right I would think we're great too by the way. I think he's really good so do you think he's just going to keep their a bounty hunters. Do think we're going to see like a rogues gallery owners coming after the Manda Window. Yes and what that reminded me John Wick fans. But like it's like John Wick excommunicate. Oh only sad. Fleeing the scene it's always westbound hunters coming after him. Yeah pick somebody typing in a room somewhere and like loading like his his information. Yeah it's like I think it's going to be like John Wick where it's like you think man does Jack like he's GonNa get his own little dangle. I bet so yup and I don't know if they're going to be a hotel where you can go and it's neutral ground but you never no no. I wanted to see him bath house. I'd that's an interesting. So I guess toilets you're like the Orion girls was the star Trek. You know the Green Kurt girls everybody. Covets twilight girls. Maybe I don't know maybe Rydell who knows her. Dad I mean the twilights planet with. Maybe it's like the pleasure planet it's all I can think of other the double ponytail tale girls. Yeah Yeah Yep. That's dancer gets eaten in Jeddah Cheese twilight twilight Jeddah. She gets taken not one of which was a great video game area was the Star Wars. Battlefront dalom yeah. 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So now we know that it's being knowledge as Canon it was also include wars the animated. Yeah that'd kind of caught me out. They'd bring some kind of jet did I slash lightsaber type stuff in there somewhere. I don't want them to like shoehorn. Jet Is into it because it we already have like baby. OTAS are token force user and they're not shoving it down arth wrote like. Oh look you wish he so doral. Whenever I listened to it like Travis's got me on the hook of a closed captioning and I love what it says? Cooing hasn't triple noises convened and this is the most immature fifty year old. But your does the same way it was just like. Oh no little notre neutral bar. It's a it's a valid question that's circulating around is is. Is he helping. Say I'll see Yoda's baby. Let's speak in broken language like Yoda now. Does he speak at all or we like was Yoda out there. Somewhere like like just clapping cheeks. Yeah that's the one I like. I like to think he was. Oh are you are are Yoda's like for Angie's like their ears or their Rajin assumes just the year he's bigger the years edging they they do move a lot when he speaks are quite mobile. What happens you wouldn't you talk? Maybe might do. I don't know I never really paid attention to his definitely conveyed like a certain mood. They move up and down puppy tale but anyway so that's been another episode of cinema moving. Now let's keep going when you can go all night to what are you drinking. Yeah Oh Yeah I. I don't know what I'm thinking. Oh I brought a bottle of earthquake over Zinfandel. It has literally nothing to do with this. Podcast we just taught us over McGee Travis just got over HIV showing my party pretty harsh today so Johnson like. Here's some good. Yeah I mean you can handle it now. I mean it's a got to cure is money. Yeah Damn I just bought a bottle of wine over but it's earthquakes Zinfandel and it's it's a big boy beeline alibi but yeah. 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Really Awful Movies: Ep 305  The Mist

The Really Awful Movies Podcast

26:49 min | 1 year ago

Really Awful Movies: Ep 305 The Mist

"Up of the news, this evening is speculation concerning the real facts behind the Department of Health announcement about a radioactive spill. Supposed to have a cut yesterday at the State Nuclear Plant You'll die only to live again in a younger body. Then you could tell me if the operation was a success. In your. Brain! You're listening to the really awful movies podcast celebration of Genre Cinema. Hi My name is Chris and along with Jeff. We talked about movies that aren't really awful at all. Horror Action Kung Fu musicals. post-apocalyptic women in prison films much much more. To come see Brazil? com. Well Having, spoken the doomsayer departs. Dressed? I'll take him into. The store for all bought out. How'd you folks hold up in the store? Big? Insurance Day. Sorry to hear that. Going on. Topping. Shut the doors Jaipur Guard. The only way we're going to help, ourselves is to seek rescue. Ties waste her four. Let us know you got at least three hundred feet. East. From downtown Toronto Headquarters. Here's a solo special episode of the really awful movies podcast, featuring yours truly Chris Episode Three Zero Five. The Stephen King adaptation the midst. Now yet another Stephen King. Add Up. These tend to run the gamut from the sublime, and that would be the dead zone stand by me Carrie the shining to the ridiculous, the likes of thinner and Dream Catcher, and somewhere between the film I hold kind of near Dear the pretty, Funny Mangla. Starring Robert Englund and which features in the Book Jeff co-authored Death by umbrella. The hundred weirdest horror movie weapons by virtue of the fact that someone meets their demise through all things laundry press, so that's a pretty fun one, but there's certainly no shortage of king adaptations, especially now on Netflix within the tall grass, and the quite an underrated I would say a good marriage starring Anthony Lapaglia who. Viewers will probably remember from the Mike Myers vehicle, so I married an axe murderer where he played his cop buddy in San Francisco and in a good marriage. Is Basically about a spouse finds out that there are a husband is actually a serial killer in an, it's a bit. It's not unlike the genesee. Killer in upstate New York who had a long standing relationships with you. The woman at kids I believe as well or bt K., so that is not half bad and expected it frankly to be far worse now. The mist. is an yet. Another one of these New England's set came features, and there's a little. Inside joke where the local pharmacy is kings pharmacy so again you have this contained. Place and sense of place being so integral to the horror genre, and King has scarcely in rarely ventured outside of his main confines. He grew up in Bangor I believe he went to college there. He's all about that region and this film is no different. And what you have is a conceit, which is not unlike I would say John, Carpenter's the fog where you have some inclement weather system that comes in and causes some sort of calamity. The carpenter vehicle. It's not. The weather system per se, what? It's actually hiding in the case of the fog, it's these wonderful. The reanimated pirates who reached havoc in a case of the messed. It's inexplicably a you know a collection of very different creatures, so you could throw this one in the category of creature feature, and what struck me about this? As the creatures came into play, was the similarities to the Irish were fill the quite fun grabbers in which a group of pub denizens. The band down the hatches in fend off a bunch of tentacled creatures and. Fortified themselves with the drink and manage to save themselves and are rea- rebuff the creatures, a advancements onto their into their town so similarly here you have a group of people can can find find themselves barricaded within a grocery store, which shot I got a kick out of as I May Day job on the business reporter, and frequently called upon to cover the grocery sector and new product development and. Launches how things are promoted at shelf level. So that I thought that was quite fun a my all time. Favorite grocery related or I mean talk about each category will be intruder, which is absolutely fantastic in which? urged listeners to check out. Now dimissed! As first off just a great cast, so directed and written by Frank Darabont. who was the mastermind behind a Shawshank redemption and the green? So it's pretty interesting that he should I mean he's just so well versed in tackling the king related material. This one here features Marcia Gay Harden, as sort of a religious nut job. A Thomas Jane is as a Doting Dad, avid cider in this inside outside dynamic of town in that's again not uncommon for likes of a place like Maine, which is very small and low population US state that is frequently forgotten about. You know at the expense of the likes of Florida Texas California New York State. Not kind of thing and one of the grocery workers is at Toby Jones. WHO's again? Excellent and Frost Nixon and really added a lot of juice to what I thought was the Superior Truman capote vehicle infamous, rather than the tournament Capote Bio pic, which which I thought was a little bit lacklustre. Obvious, it's pretty funny. I was watching trailer for breakfast at. TIFFANY's in I didn't realize that. Truman capote was how it was pronounced in that trailer. That's feel might get to see, but I'm really looking forward to that one. Toby Jones have brings all of this. What looks like to be five four height? To a bit of a bad ass, rule ear, as he's a sharp shooter and a good with a pistol. Anyway inside outsider dynamics come to play as a group of townsfolk barricade themselves into a again into grocery store at this missed begins encroaching, and you have this secret as is, this is very much sixties. Kind of a monster film in that the Dacix mackinaw is really the. Time Honored Secrets Military Experiment. That's going on in about which many of the townsfolk are speculating conjecture. It's to what it's about. And some of the soldiers find themselves in the in the grocery store, as well and having to answer a lot of questions about which to they're not really familiar as their sort of lower ranking grunt types. Although there's there's also A. Military policeman in both his world so here this is the setup and again like it's pretty simple. It's infused with all the good kinds of sixties. Creature features motifs that it come to expect, and it's kind of out of this a little bit unique, insofar have different creatures come to the fore, and again as as the people were reticent about venturing out in escaping as one of their ranks is a split in two by one of these tentacled creatures that reaches in through the the just the loading dock and their turns into a real cleavage between the two groups townsfolk broadly speaking, representing more traditional value holders and cut kind of Reagan. Conservative type and a more religiously inclined folks with the and I'm putting this in quotes, maybe more rational. Maybe left-wing some as some bloggers suggested in bloody, disgusting and others and so. There is real tension between the two as to how to proceed going forward, and what it is that these creatures represent in what it is that this missed in this infant weather really represents Marcia Gay Harden, as as a kind of fire and brimstone. Preacher feels obviously represents end times in Armageddon and her. Rhetoric is able to sway a number of the shoppers into thinking. They should just I. Don't know. Await End Times ends just seek a better life in the beyond, whereas the tons Jane character leads the other other group and A. Standing in contracting indication to them and whether they should band together and. Fight it off to the best of their abilities, now while the squabbling is taking place, the glass be basically A. Big subjected to the battering Ram of. Love crafty and almost flying pterodactyl s creatures to. Compound, matters, so, I thought it was just some sort of seaborne. tentacled squid creature, but then they have to deal with these flying demonic. Hybrid birds, and that adds a lot of interesting fun texture, so we have is really a setup that's not unlike night living dead, except with obviously more more people being able to hunker down and really when you think about it. A grocery store is not that half half bad place to have to survive so when you think about dawn of the dead, the other George, a Romero classic in the chemical trilogy you had a group of people fighting off a horde of zombies, and doing so in of all places, a shopping mall and hell. Why not? You got everything there at your disposal. You've got potentially a good amount of food that you can shout out on the food court, and not to mention a bunch of. Weapons if it's the US in their little more lax in this regard with money comes to gun control, you can pick up. Probably a few rifles and hold down the fort. The mist was made into a series that's presently on net flicks and again like to the extent that. Stephen King's catalog is. Pilfered is really quite remarkable. You'd think he was dead. It's it's pretty funny. There is an endless array of adaptations of his movies and he's. A frequently. and not involved with the the aesthetic choices that directors of writers make, and he obviously famously was at odds with the with the shining, and how that came about in the spearheaded his own sort of reworking of it, which was terrible, which just goes to show? What's in an author's head? You know per perhaps can ever be translated to adequately onto the screen. It's I I would almost liken the urge to pill for his catalog with the. Let's see deceased the musicians I mean the likes of Jimmy Hendrix to talk and I. Stake in the former state and to take some. Enterprising for lack of a better term. Music industry types who wanted to release any note that Jimi Hendrix played at which really does his legacy of a disservice when you put out music that he didn't want to be released, and that is probably not very good to be honest, even though something that's not good by Hendrix's probably pretty good about standards of. Other. No Billy, island or some garbage like that but. You could throw prince into that category as well. So it's interesting again like the different visions that different. Principles bring to the work of Stephen King I mean. Dera, Blondes said he wanted to shoot missed in black and white again the to mimic the aforementioned, the aesthetic choices of. Of Romero Company in Pennsylvania for neither living dead, and also the work of Rahab Harry Housing obviously. Now it's I i. haven't researched to the extent. King feels that this is a true to his vision effort, but and I should also dispose it did not check out his nineteen eighty novella the mist, although I hold him in incredibly high esteem, as as should. All of us and it should be said that I've been less than an Amer- with some of the Recent rebooting of his famous work from thirty forty years ago. Particularly it which was. Thoroughly unnecessary, although well executed and also pets number Terry, but which the same can be said, and it's just it's prioritizes think commerce. Over a vision by just doing that by the same token of trying to put myself in the shoes of Gen Z. or aura. Forget with agenda generation under millennial is as someone who may be had not grown up with. The iconic in movie and pet cemetery and. Updating of that for lack of a better term, modern people naturally gravitate towards the the cultural offerings that are broadly speaking newer, and it takes a little bit more efforts to track down. The originals end quite often. People don't even know that what they're watching is not necessarily the original so now. Reception for this one is very interesting is well. They don't WanNa. Spoil it, but there is the let's say tension with the divine, and with the sacred in the profound Stephen King. no-doubt struggles with a he's famously talked about as methodist upbringing, and his own dealings with the fire and brimstone preachers and. Seeing the heart, and if things on the religious side, but still confesses a belief in a higher power and. And a belief in God theology, although he kind of biases, his characters towards not being so open minded. Theologically by having the again, the Marcia Gay harden character, being such A. Volatile. Powerful force to just to sacrifice the the. Son, in to further her interest, as the film degenerates into a kind of Lord of the flies, and his is particularly prescient right now, because of the times we're seeing people behave in not the greatest manner as we all deal with the pandemic situation, and there's a quite a lengthy discussion. With Different characters voicing the. Guest hops in view of nature. That is nasty. And that in a state of nature, a man's tendency is to is to our cruelty or the. Predilection tend to favor of more of a Russo Ian. Although not that extreme social contract side of things where people are generally good, but just need a little bit of did their worst impulses need to be kept in check by. It's a some kind of authority whether it's the police or militia thing, but sometimes you never know end the pandemic is we're experiencing. It right now makes me really waver between these two polarities. The ending here this is serious business and two kings credit. It's enough to piss off both sides of the political political spectrum. If you want to call it, that might be a little bit unfair, but. Is Very Dour and very downbeat, but this is the thing that. Kind of appeals to me. Frankly, because as we've discussed previously on the PODCAST, it's such a commonplace. Type of. De Him All. You've seen seventies films. You look needed need look further than the most famous probably example which would be taxi driver, but there's tons of others, not that sort of a proto or More of the. Overberg scum thriller type of there's. Lots of others that have really downbeat me really really downcast endings, and well with this movie is worth seeing just for that alone, because it's really really shocking, and it's up there. Really, witha neither living dead in that respect to both just whizbang. Incredible incredible endings that really pull things together. So what drags US down somewhat again? I think the polarization of the two groups into these warring factions possibly too long, I mean one could see how in in times preacher could sway a few people, but ultimately I think the and enlightenment adherence would probably win out especially when. There is such an immediate in devastating a fo that they have to contend with now. That's certainly a debit guest. This is the point in the podcast. Russia talk about what I've learned from the midst. It's difficult without having Jeff as foil to. Give me a hand signal to wrap things up by anyway. Earlier on in this podcast, I mentioned the Sam Raimi produced intruder from nineteen, eighty, nine, my favorite, all-time supermarket or But yeah I guess it'd be remiss in not pointing out that army of army darkness has a great supermarkets seen as well Shaun of the dead. If memory serves has a fun one in there to bum dread, central has a full list of supermarket related horror movies, obviously as there's a list for seemingly. Everything, these days, it seems so the missed getting back to that to borrows elements from. Alien, in particular, the cocooning victims and a for lack of a better phrase. bodily, evictions of the as the newly hatched creatures gruesomely emerged from emerged from from their host. You could also throw in Luigi Kasese Goblin scored a alien knock off contamination, which both Jeff and I find. It extremely had hilarious and hold it a dear to our hearts. Equip plug for listeners interested in checking out our contamination podcast that we're both obviously huge fans of Italian horror particularly. Knocking off. American works. Andre Brower with him. Viewers of Brooklyn nine nine. We'll be eminently familiar is. is terrific as protagonist neighbor Brent. In a really neat bit for shattering at the beginning of the film, his mercedes-benz is crushed by tree after a big storm and Brent finds himself stuck in the grocery store with everyone else all the other townsfolk. And even after a being presented with evidence that half tentacle was locked off, but one of the one of his brethren refuses to believe that there are supernatural supernatural doings afoot and he. He thinks it's all some kind of elaborate. Hoax or prank in that he's the butt of some kind of Frat type joke. The Brent character is basically the the town's most skeptical skeptic skepticism is obviously one of the oldest of epistemological positions in philosophy. Of Brent's commitment to. Skepticism in its extreme results in his quip demont. That's another terrific way Stephen King pins to philosophical traditions against one another. You can say the Enlightenment Eighteenth Century, and they had theological or God centered Shallan, or a worldview and king points out that both. Points of view taken to their extreme are are wanted. Nothing I learned was that director Frank Darabont Co wrote an on street. Free Dream Warriors. One of my all time, favorite films and I think the best nightmare on ELM street in the whole series, so Kudos for him. He was one of I, think three or four writers on that film, so that's really impressive. He's obviously really versatile talented fellow. Now. Another thing I learned was regarding the Stephen. King's source material of Darabont says he loved the super subversive horror elements of the novel, which again as I said earlier I haven't read, but which definitely getting, get onto now because it's such a really cool conceit to have mist enveloping a town, having it to be a cover like a Trojan horse for a bunch of creatures. To give the film a heavier feel Darabont used almost no music, which is tiny you need are the result is a. Really quiet film that just that really enhances. It's It's kind of a small aesthetic you can in almost has a bit of a stage production feel to it because it's very very contained. Even as the apocalyptic monsters bear down on these people, it has a very small feel, and as you can really tell the I guess the threshold of going from inside to out to end. The lindell aspect of that really will handle The Durban's been closed. Sometimes movie music feels false, and he says he's always felt that silent can be scarier than loud and whisper can be more frightening than ban, and that he wanted to create a balance, an optimal optimum in the midst, and they kept the music as a result to minimum for more verite field. Now, of course, the opposite can be true to as alluded to a goblet scoring contamination Goblin scoring just a slew of those. ICONIC, Italian or so, the music is almost a character unto itself, but if you use one or the other shirt had do it has definitely as as the mist does here if you're? Not to do it, so star rating which I. Didn't want to. Forget about winning as we bring the podcast to a close. Luckily, we have a five star rating system on the really awful movies podcast is it gives us a bit more flexibility to? I guess laud the sort of smaller films that are the although flaw are quite deserving of plaudits in their own right, but can't be maybe a measured up against bigger budget or bigger star power vehicle so that this comes into play here perfectly itself. This is a combination is small film driven by? A nominal starpower, but good character actors, nonetheless in the light with the likes of Toby Jones brower. A solid three out of five and probably position. It's in the middle of all the Stephen King adaptations of the bulk of which have not seen as there is so numerous, but again it doesn't reach a soaring heights that you get to the likes of us by me or war or the shining for that matter and the original it, but also it doesn't wallow in the depths occupied by the likes of the Threadbare A. Corny and silly center so somewhere in between well, we're checking out and we hope you continue to enjoy the podcast as we bring you more episodes throughout the summer and quick plug as we get into action, movie, season or latest book is mine's bigger than yours. The hundred wacky EST action movies that's out for preorder right now on Amazon and will be available throughout North America and in store in the UK as well at the end of September. We have a release date of September twenty eighth on that one and. The the forward is written by Brian Trenchant. Smith is a buddy of ours and director of stunt rock, and strike the Panther, and his forwards really funny. We really appreciate him. helping us out with that, so we shall talk too soon, and I think Jeff will be on board shortly. Enjoy the summer and take care.

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What's In A Scientific Name (ep. 120)

Your Brain on Facts

26:50 min | 11 months ago

What's In A Scientific Name (ep. 120)

"Today's episode is brought to you by the your brain on facts book want the facts without my voice, get the your brain on facts book. But if you want my voice without the facts, I am available for voiceover work and I offer a half off rate for my listeners. Email me at Moxie at your brain on facts dot com. From loon example of a trial by in Hunan China called Hans Solo to a butterfly Pea flour reminiscent of Georgia. Oh painting called Couture Couturier Turn Tia. The naming of species offers almost as much in the way of entertainment as it does scientific classification. The official rules for naming species set down by the International Commission on Zoological Nomenclature are surprisingly simple. The name must be spelled with the Latin alphabet and must not be overtly offensive and that's pretty much it. My Name's Moxy and this is your brain on facts. Most of US know that the animals we call by single name such as a horse actually had a two part name in that case equis Columbus. In contrast to astronomical bodies like stars, Asteroids and planets which are under strict naming conventions overseen by committees, there's almost unfettered freedom it comes to zoological nomenclature. The name can even be on sense string of arbitrary letters. While there is a wealth of name fascination to report on from plants to drugs to telescopes. Ourselves today to the Animal Kingdom. For as long as we have had records and probably longer mankind has sought to classify the world around us in an effort to begin to understand it. This is called taxonomy the study of the general principles of scientific classification from the Greek words for order or arrangement and science. Three centuries before the common era aristotle grouped animals I by similarities like where they lived and then hierarchically with humans naturally at the top. Not, every animal fit well into this system though ducks posed a particular problem as they had the bothersome habit of living on water on land and spending time in the air. It would be eighteen hundred years before another natural philosopher as scientists were called, then would try their hand such as Andrei sessile, Pino Italian physician, and botanist who sorted plants by the structure of their fruits and seeds. The first scientist to use a binomial or to name system that we would recognize was Swiss botanist guest sparred Boeing. Some six thousand plants by genus and species in sixteen, twenty three. There were several inconsistent and sometimes conflicting systems of classification already in use when Carolina's wrote his. SYSTEMA naturally in seventeen, thirty five. Laying down the system we use to this day. Lena's was first taxonomic east to list humans as a primate, but he also originally classified whales as. All living things were sorted into them, Feilim class order, family, genus, and species. Many of US memorized that in middle school by way of a new monarch like King Philip came over from great Spain. Housecat for example, is kingdom and Amelia filed them cor data meaning it has spinal cord. Class Mammalia order can Adora family feel a day genus fearless and species cactus. A lion diverges at the genus Pan Terra, which awesomely means reaper of all and species. Leo. So the scientific name for Lion Is Penn Tara Leo. This system can be visualized as an enormous branching tree with its trunk, very broad and its branches increasingly specific. We. Still name some animals in accordance with their appearance with a little poetic license thrown in for good measure. The tiniest and most pastelle of the armored mammals was christened the pink fairy armadillo. A. Hand Size Lizard with a gift from a meese camouflage was given the fairly metal moniker satanic leaf tailed Gecko. It's actual religious beliefs remain a mystery. As advertised, the star nosed mole has a burst of delicate sensory tendrils on the tip of its snout. Also, sacks myuka Flores is an unappealing worm who lives off the bones of dead whales which would explain its name bone eating snot flower. A bacterium that was taken to the International Space Station, and exposed to cosmic radiation earned the Latin moniker for traveler of the void. China boasts a salamander species that can grow to a whopping one point. Eight meters were nearly six feet long. It goes by the name. Hell Bender and this reporter for one will not argue with it. And then there is the Internet's favourite this the BLOB. Fish. Removed from water blog, fish cannot maintain its body shape and collapses into a rather dour looking puddle. Even with a Linda's taxonomy place, we call some animals things that they simply aren't. We all know that a seahorses, not a horse and most of us know that Koalas bears but did you know that a Jack Rabbit is not a rabbit but a hair? That may seem like a nitpicky distinction to the layperson, but here's tend to live alone and don't live in burrows and their young are born fully sighted with coats for. Both animals come from the Laporte, a family, but part ways when they get to genus. Jack Rabbits. Get their name from having exceptionally long ears like a, jackass. Dorsal fin less fresh freshwater dwelling electric eels are actually knife fish which actually sounds cooler arguably. If you've ever found yourself watching go diego go after your child has already left the room. We've all done it. You've probably seen long legged main wolf. It should come as no surprise that this committee assembled looking animal is not of the Genus Kansas like gray wolves, jackals and even domestic dogs but has the genus creases Syon all to itself. Red Pandas are pandas, but giant pandas are not. Take as much time as you need without. The adorable. Raccoon like a ruthless full gins were the first to be called. Panda was believed to derive from the Nepali. Word Pawn Ya. When the Black and White Airola Pota- MELANOLEUCA were discovered leader. It was assumed that the two species were related. So they were dubbed giant pandas. They are all from the Family Ursa which includes all bears but the giant panda is in fact, the only living species in its genus. What we call the buffalo here in North America is actually a bison by genus whereas the Cape Buffalo of Africa and the Water Buffalo of Asia aren't even in the same genus as each other. Leading common ground after their family designation of day. There were also bison now extinct native to Europe and they cost it science much consternation when the development of mitochondrial DNA testing that being the DNA pass down the maternal line showed that the European Bison were not in fact related to the Steppe Bison of Eurasia as previously thought the answer was finally revealed with the discovery of a hybrid species. They dubbed it the Higgs Bison. Ch- never let it be said that scientists don't have a sense of humor. Slime, mold is the primary food for a beetle discovered in two, thousand and four. So they're genus was labeled Jelly. The five new species are Jelly Bean Jelly. Jelly donut jellyfish and jellyroll. Beatles will come up a lot as they represent as much as twenty percent of all named animals. And there is no shortage of puns. Take, for example, the species of pedal it beetle, you're a genius. Or. What about Beatles from the Agra genus named AGORAPHOBIA and aggravation? Or the wasp whose genus and species are here's looking at you. Tiny mollusc called it a bit eum appear it called Vinnie Vidi Vici. The water beetle e to brutus and the SIFFORD fly Omiya Omaya. Or the Pacific Island Snail Bah Humbug -I. There's the genus of Miko made fly Pizza Pi. Abe We know how he intended it to be pronounced because the species are pizza Ria Pizza Pie, and pizza cake. The wordplay doesn't end with puns. You can find anagrams like rebel lithmus marriage boneless. rhymes like USA Medusa and something that's not quite a Pailin Rome. It's the name spelled forward and then backward or Isabella's subzero. Zero said a mortal Kombat reference doubly clever. Scientists aren't just stuffy old men and thick glasses and lab coats pouring over dry data sets there people with interests and hobbies outside of work. Sometimes. These crossover. When Iraq all the Gist Peter yeager discovered a new species of spider in. Malaysia. Covered in flamboyant red orange and yellow hairs. He could think of no better name for it. then. Hetero. POTA- David Bowie. A frog two types of flies and an ISO- pod found near Zanzibar have been named after Freddie Mercury. A species of horse fly with a conspicuously coloured end is name sculpture beyond Ca Likewise a mustache shaped pattern on a Cameroonian spider earned it the name pack enough. ZAPPA. After absolute legend Frank Zappa. A nearly microscopic parasitic crustacean was named NAFTA Marley for being as uniquely. Caribbean as Bob Marley. Sylvia's pink floyd a pistol shrimp is louder than a rock concert over two hundred decibels simply by snapping one of its claws shut. The goal wasps have left the building at least if they are of the variety, Presi Kolia I'm all shook up us. A fossilized muscle worm was named for rocker author spoken word artist and my future husband Henry. rollins. The WAAS Melania Acumen neuropathy starkest honors, the band metallica with the species neuropathy carcass, which is Greek for master of puppets alluding to the week and mindless nature of the hosts. Some of these names have been a real mouthful. Speaking of mouthfuls I go for a snack. He looked segues aren't always going to be Golden. Had you tried smart for life yet it's a full range of snack bars and meal replacements shakes and soups and all kinds of things designed by a doctor who's busy schedule and that he wasn't eating as well as he should have been and all the recipes created by award winning chef. You can follow their full diet plan or you can just use them as snacks in place of safe fatty, salty potato chips, and sugary caloric candy bars and things of that nature I especially like them in the late afternoon around four o'clock or so when lunch is too far behind me, but dinner is still way too far in the future. You can go to sleep four life dot Com and save ten percent off your first order with the Coupon Code Moxie Ten M. O.. X., I e one zero at smart for Life Dot Com. Actors get naming nods to. Dominic. Monaghan has a one centimeter ginger spider named for him. Sent us. Monahan. After it was discovered during filming of the Nature Documentary. Wild things. After shamelessly begging on national television, his words to have something named after him late night talk show host and satirist Stephen Colbert became namesake to a Dune dwelling spider in southern California. EPA Stitches Stephen Colbert -I. A fluffy lemur on the island of Madagascar shares its name with fierce creature and Python John cleese Avi Cliche. The hosts of top gear. Each have a wasp in the Genus Caravan named for them Klux Sony Hammadi in James May. Former. First Lady of Argentina and Well Traveled Corpse Eva Peron has a moth named after her who scientific name is simply Evita. Prince Albert. The I of Monaco is namesake to both of fish and a squid. A single genus of fish honors. Bill Clinton Al Gore Jimmy Carter and Teddy Roosevelt. The neck plate of a leaf dwelling Madagascan praying mantis. elementaries. GINSBURG. Yay is part of the reason it is named for. Supreme. Court Justice Ruth Bader GINSBURG. The other reason being that it is the first man to species with distinct female genitalia and discoverers BRANIAC and Svenson wanted to honor Ginsberg's commitment to women's rights and gender equality and quote. Syrian dorn second daughter of the monarchy of Thailand commonly referred to as Princess and. Has Been honored with a number of plants, several crustaceans, a butterfly, a. b., and approach Tarzi. Similarly, Barack Obama's name was stamped on several spider species a few different fish, a blood fluke bird likened beetle, extinct reptile, horsehair worm, and a be. He wife Michelle were duly honoured in the naming of the Talia Grandma Obama Fish. Author Terry Patchett WHO's discworld series described the world as resting on the back of a giant turtle. A fairly common motif in many world mythologies is the namesake of the turtle species. Festive forests Terry tragedy. Shakespeare has a wasp named after him while Henry David Thoreau has to. The author of Gulliver's travels Jonathan Swift is the namesake of a fly that is, of course, quite tiny while Herman Melville's name was given to a whale. Gene Roddenbury has a true bug. Arthur C. Clarke has a dinosaur. Neil gaiman has a beetle. HP lovecraft has a wasp. A chewing louse only troubles. was. named. Stig affiliates, Gary Larceny more from Gary Larson later. An extinct crab was named for Ray Harry Housing, the man who brought stop motion monsters to life and classic films. J R R Tolkien got a great deal of scientific love in the form of a beetle, a crustacean to wasps and clamp. In addition to the false headed mall Eric Theis Brosse, Hitchhiker's guide author Douglas Adams has an aunt named for him. But does that make it an Adam ant? I'll see myself out. There's also a triple fin fish named fewer to fix this slutty Bart fast easy. It should go without saying that there is a great overlap between the love of science and the Levers of science fiction and other things Geeky. Tolkien appears again with a shark named for Gholam a psychopathic shark named for Solomon an ancient crock named bowl ragas and an entire genus of of course lizards named smog. A tiny catfish from South America was christened. OUGHTA increase that many. There are no yet credible reports as to whether or not it fights crime at night. Harry Potter fans will want to steer clear of the Ampul IX DEMENTO WASP with turns cockroaches into zombies. Scientists. Given US spongiform A- squarepants easy. But it's not a sponge. It's a highly porous mushroom. A trial by that reminded the discoverer of the faces of the two. Karma. Jains in the muppet theater was dubbed Garrick Status Waldorf Statler. A newly discovered genus of WAAS has each of its species named for a different house in game of thrones. Lilius. Eragny breath. Any LANSBURY. Martelli. Tar guarany tally. And starkey. You'll have to be both a Geek and Nerd to get the joke in the name of you critter Mellano. Limb. Netease. which roughly translates from the Latin as creature from the black lagoon there is a disputed genus of terrace or named after the POK Mon era dactyl called aridiculous. Maybe, they didn't want it named after pokemon maybe they just wanted the discover to put a little more effort into it. A species of acorn worm, the North Atlantic Ocean which I assume has strange syntax is named Yoda per pirata. There's a non-sport foreign gram negative bacteria called midday Gloria. Yes. It's named after the thing from the bad star wars movies. while. Scientists gave a name to cartoonist Gary Larson, they also borrowed one from him. A Nineteen eighty-two far side cartoon showed a caveman leading a lecture on the danger of dinosaurs pointing to a slide of a stegosauruses spike tail and saying now, this end is called the PGA miser after the late fags Simmons. The term became an informal but widely used anatomical term being used by even the Smithsonian and the BBC. And No, we don't care that humans. stegosauruses lived sixty million years apart. Speaking of honors I am deeply honored by our newest patrons dawn and Gwen who are helping to support the show and will receive the first of this month bonus episodes today or tomorrow when I can get it recorded. Everyone who supports the show over at Patriot Dot com slash your brain on facts receives all rewards regardless of their level until the end of the Cova crisis. I am also grateful for everyone who has not only purchased and read the your brain on facebook but is taken the time to review it on Amazon less pleasing the algorithm and encouraging it to show the book to other people. We're up to nine reviews but I wanna see if we can get more than fifty by next summer. So keep them coming. Yeah. I'm not going to harp on that one too much more till we get closer. This week's review comes from Trish. I carry this book with me wherever I go. I happily stumbled upon the your brain on facts podcast about a year ago and I fell head over heels in love with it mocks way with words or soothing voice and that awesome brain overflowing with knowledge can make the most mundane topic for example, a whole episode on mud exciting to learn about. As. Soon as she shared her secret project this fantastic book I knew she would once again amaze me teach me and entertain me. She totally delivered I was so happy to see a few of my favorite episode topics, physician test thyself surprise polyglot and Rita Rambo. This book as the tagline perfectly states is about things you didn't know things you thought you knew and things you never knew you never knew and you won't want to keep it to yourself either I keep stopping to share cool facts with anyone that will listen. Thank you Moxie Labou for creating this wonderful world of knowledge. I am blushing myself to death over here Tricia thank you so so much and physician test. thyself is one of my favorite topics to along with well-traveled corpses and if you're anything like me, you like to throw the bizarre and Macabre facts like that into a normal conversation like Vuvuzelas in a Chamber Ensemble. As any lover of sci-fi will tell you scientists don't always use their powers for good. A number of species are scuttling around the earth with Clap Bax insults and general misanthrope be for name's. Daniel Road Lander was a student of Carlin Aus who collected thousands of specimens in Suriname, but refused to turn them over to lineas intending to publish for himself. When they affectively had him blacklisted. And named a seed Bug Africanus Roy Landry. affix is Greek for ignoble or obscure. To Swedish Paleontologists Elsa Warburg a Jew and Ice Berg and overweight far-right socialist were on unfriendly terms in the nineteen thirties. Warburg named a trial. Bite is Burgio Planet. Franz Planner Franz means with a flat forehead which in Scandinavian means stupid. Is Berg retaliated later with the mollusc were a Kresa meaning fat. Alien, technologists, Cope, and marsh. We're in fossil hunting war in the late eighteen hundreds marsh named an extinct aquatic Lizard Mosasaurus copy Yannis. The ending spelled a you an s which means scientifically pertaining to, but is probably not what would leap to the average person's mind. In one, thousand, nine, hundred, five James. Polk. Lock cast a wide net when he named wait for it a beetle. Genus Fawad. F O A D. An abbreviation meaning F. Off and die. The scientific name for a prehistoric Mammal Dino he's Hollandi translates to Holland is a terrible pig. Not Place Holland, but the director of the Carnegie Museum wj Holland. He was an eminent zoologist and paleontologist and a bit of a blowhard and apparently quite difficult to work with. The staff and his students just hated him. He had a bad habit of stealing credit for his students work, and that's why he is immortalised as a giant pig. In the modern era, it's not uncommon for scientific institutions to sell or raffled off the naming rights of newly discovered animals especially environmental groups and conservation organizations who are chronically underfunded. This was the case in Medea National Park in Bolivia. In an effort to raise money, they auctioned off the right to name a new species of monkey. The Internet Casino Company Golden Palace Dot Com one as they always do naming rights are on the line. And they went with the groundbreaking and creative name Golden Palace, Dot Com. Well, in their defense, it is translated into Latin Colossus Lottie and they did fork over six hundred and fifty thousand dollars for the privilege. This is the same organization that spent twenty eight, thousand dollars on a half eaten sandwich that supposedly looked like the virgin. Mary. So you know you gotta take things on balance. Some scientific names are off the cuff, some our private jokes, and some have a really interesting origin story. Paleontologists Tim rich was searching Australia for dinosaur era mammals which were thin on the ground or thin in the ground I. Guess His students were convinced. They would find one and they bet him a cubic meter of chocolate. I guess they had suffered through the rations on the trip long enough. Well they found one and rich had to make good on his bet. Now a cubic meter of chocolate would cost about ten thousand dollars but a local cadbury factory bailed rich out and rewarded the students with a room full of chocolates and sweets. They named the newly discovered fossil. Cryer equities cadbury. Sometimes scientists plane run out of ideas. When one scientist reached his ninth species of leafhopper he named it. Arith- Rania X I x are nine in Roman numerals. Dr wd careful found. So many species of Olea Thrid Moth that he eventually resorted to just using the alphabet you cozma Bona. COSMA Katana, because Donna, it goes for fauna and so on. And that's where we run out of ideas at least for today I'll wrap up this slightly shorter than usual episode with a scientific name that has no clever pun. No interesting back story, no insults hidden in it, but it is the longest scientific name at forty two characters and I shall attempt to pronounce it for you. Right now. Any minute now. Okay let's try it Paris St. CEO. Civic Komiya. 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Interview with "Infamous Tiger King" comic book publisher Darren Davis

Talk Nerdy to Me

25:41 min | 1 year ago

Interview with "Infamous Tiger King" comic book publisher Darren Davis

"All right welcome to another edition of Talk Nerdy to me. I have someone here on the line. You guys might be interested in, and it's Mr Darin, Davis, how YOU DOING DARREN ACRE! Are You doing today? Not Bad, not bad I'M GONNA start with a little bit of your background here I I'm looking at I mean you've done. Everything worked at the Entertainment USA network lionsgate wells DC comics yet I actually worked at wild storm when they took an over by DC comics, and then I ended up getting folded into that world are selling their services getting them jobs outside of comic books like customer. That type of stuff knows representing people like Jim Lee Travis stressed and. Just all like the big people had at wild storm, and then it just turned into job at DC so. I ended up getting laid off ironically weirdly because they. They're folding in that position. They didn't know what to do with me. After two years, and so they wanted me to come down to San. Diego and at its star, Trek books and I was like not an editor at that time as just like I was like salesperson artists rap all this stuff so ironically I. I've edited Chattanooga in Walter Cain again, so dot comes back full circle. Also, you rub elbows with Jim Lee and the. I've been to his poker parties so. He's so nice. He still relate cool. Yeah, sorry I! Just had a nerd Gazza. He's a good boss. Okay I have to go into the offices once a month, and then we would hang out in that type of stuff and just other artists were super cool, and it was such A. It was it was more of a family while charm when it was just like on its own so I really. Felt honored to be part of that because I think like four years before that I was waiting in line for his autograph at the image, what other decimate or whatever? And that was gonNA. Be My next question until you. You were a comic book fan from the Gig Go. It didn't start when you start a wild storm now I. I never thought I'd work comic books. I loved My first comic book ever got where Super Team family because I wasn't able to go to the Statue of Liberty, so my dad bought me a comic book so. And so then it just started, and I fell in love with teen titans, new Teen Titans, the George Perez and Marv Wolfman book, and so and brave, and the bold my favorites. Yeah I was GONNA ask who's your favorite character count but Weiss. Actually if you saw the other end of spectrum, it's all back girl. It's like literally every day on is like every backer figure I've everyone probably at your store I probably have yeah so. While you, don't you? Don't hear that often so that that's kind of refreshing to hear. That girl! Let's just be clear saw. Bad girl woman yeah. Back here! You do have them everywhere, yeah. Okay and I noticed that a night wing Jackie got also as. Represent local. I'm guessing is DC not marvel in your house, not immortal yeah. So from working at wild storm DC. How did you go from there to tidal wave productions making your own comics so i? I was given. All my business because they didn't know what to do with my business at that point because we're super weird. During DC as giving people jobs inside outside of comic books, and so then it became a rep for like a ton of comic regardless and I became like the person I was representing like any part. Who Does Tomb Raider in now basically? Does all the designs for Marvel. Cinematic universe. Ready Green, who's still is one of my favorite artists ever did which blade. And I was number PM magazine. Yes so playstation magazine! I did all the covers for like as like a two year. Run I agent all those from like Howard Porter. Recycling during slash now to yet Ken. Lashley and Roger Cruz in you can see the did. And then I was watching. These people create their own comic books in their own content and I thought. Let me see if I can try this and so. Has Creative and you can put a team together and was really good producer, and so I put together. This is my first comic book called the news which I did at image comics, and it launched at the sixth highest selling comic book, and to kind of go back around, you know. My childhood icon was like Marvel's men George Perez. Getting to work with MARV Wolfman who wrote this for me. after greeted. Was Amazing and then I knew this style and the. The feel the book that I wanted to do. And so I wanted to be kind of like a top cow kind of like s book, 'cause I was what was popular in two thousand. And, so I hired. Ken Lashley just got off rising stars to do it, and as I said, we use sable from the WWE, S. As the photo model which I've never watch. WWF before so, but I didn't. It got us into. National News and that type of stuff because there was a celebrity angle to it, so I learned the power of celebrity early from working at e and Lionsgate and that type of stuff so. So then they'll get you, said ten muse was with with image so. What was I one hundred tidal wave? Well this was so tight wave tidal wave. Actually so yeah, there's like little weirdness with Mike companies how it started. So He didn't believe in cool is it's ridiculous? But I started title away productions in two thousand and then I did that for about four years and just legend devices there. I did black tide. Did all these things at image and then I wanted to grow bigger, and they wouldn't let me grow bigger so so ended up leaving and going to Avatar. Avatar it is Avatar yeah. Yeah went to Avatar and as such a wrong mistake. Move for me. Like Tech News is such a you know it's it's. It's very PG comic book. It's it's power powerful all the type of stuff and they took her, and basically like venture over and header, getting spanked and stuff, and it's just not the message. I want to portraying comic books and So ironically. Do you know who owns bleeding cool? Is Avatar. So. So. That's what I get some of the bad press that or the. Whatever press so? and then yeah, and then. I changed so then i. kind of got kind of sick of comic books for Awhile and I just quit. It just became too high school for me and so. I left the industry for about a year work for a nonprofit, and then a friend of mine asked me to come back and do temporaries again, and I was like okay. I'll do it and I. Just get one thing so. I thought he needed a fresh start, and they started bluewater productions, which I started with the Ray Harry housing. All my like little show me butts, so we did like clash, the sequel to clash of the Titans Sinbad she's the argonauts all these a classic films, but we did sequels to everything. And so I launched stat launched Victoria Secret Service and he's. They did really well and so the books did while. We were on lying to me like a boom studio at that point, and then I i. Just. Know I think we earth. Then we went to alias. And at alias, standing up folding, and then I started bluewater and Yeah so. I ended up having to change the name of Bluewater. Because there was a we got an incident. We gotta deal for Insane Jane as a feature film. And there's a bluewater productions, so it couldn't be called bluewater productions so I, changed it stupidly really quick to. Storm Front entertainment which I didn't realize as a white, supremacist group. The biggest white supremacist website out there and so bleeding cool picked up on that and they railed me on it. It's not just storm, and then it just didn't feel natural so I just went back to my roots, and you know we rebranded. Try to wave productions so. So it was a long road, but you you got. That I think I think tidal waves, a good name I like that Looking at some of the looks like you guys specialize a lot in like you said a celebrity stuff, but even more kind of bio type things most recently You, guys did the mistitled King which I'm sure you got it there. You're stuck up. And I love that cover. and. So if you actually look at the cover, really close which you can't really do, but you can look it up. Online is on the characters are in. And in the tongue is kill baskin. Yes like little Easter eggs hidden all into, tiger. This book 'cause, there's a while that you know sometimes. Publishing a book or publishing books, you just kind of get into rods. Keep producing staffing years like Bam. Bam Bam get stuff out metrics. But this book was so much fun to. Do you know 'cause in this world of Covid? I was working. I work with these two guys Joe Paradise, and Michael for sale, and is written for me so many times in Joe has done some new biographies for me. I'm drawn a lot and we're like thinking. We did a stormy Daniels biography. What's the best idea that we can do and so we did? One. So we decided that when Cova came around. We're like we're all sitting at home. Trying to figure stuff out like what's the next best thing we can do? And we thought. You know there's only two things. People are talking about Kobe and tiger game, so we're like. Let's do tighter K. Tomic so Bam, and it's really great, because a lot of a cast of given a shoutout stuff including that bitch general baskin. Yeah those were great I and i. read the Comic in. It seems to be a pretty straightforward kind of bio of those two characters. You know you read halfway through, and then you flip it and other character. Reading the other direction it's not like you took in the artistic license. Rain thing is. It presents the their their history and comic book. Format, which is a lot easier for people to digest right and so I will never do a flip again. This is not. So But what we want to do with is wanted to do it differently than you know. We didn't want to reduce regurgitate. What was on the Netflix series? So we actually did this as a prequel and we actually show why. Joe and Carol end up hating each other, and in their true beliefs of like animal rights, and they actually think is is because in their own heads. They both believe they are doing is correct, and but neither one of them are really heroes in the world so. It kind of gets a little bit weird. You know, but one of the things that I did learn is worked with pita on this and pita has relationship with Carol Baskin and so like in the Netflix series. We learned That you know. Carol does not do Tiger Cub. adding. Breeding Breeding and she does not let in, so she didn't advance on the Netflix series where. There's all these. Animals and people around and erase thirty thousand dollars. But what getting show is that people don't touch the animals. People don't even you know people don't take pictures with them. They have no cubs there and where she gets her animals from our places, like zoos can't handle them people that can't deal with them that ended up thinking they wanna Tiger, cub, or people like circuses or something like that can humanize sort a little bit for me about animal rights, and that type of stuff do I've each killed her husband. Out Yeah that's not for us to decide. I know a lot of them. Including Joe's current husband I think he has a read this you know if joe is gotten this his hands at all. Getting it so easily is and we're getting for it yet. We're going to send him one. I'm just waiting for my. Because like I literally just got one so. I actually want to get the the other cover this because it would be easier to sign, and you can actually probably send it to him to have him signed. So I saw somebody baseball He's on baseball cards or The thing I would just like to see his feedback on at what what he thinks about it. That his husband Dylan will give us cause I reached out to him, and we've talked often so. I'm hoping that will get some feedback even from them so and I've seen some rumors online, and maybe you started those rumors that there's a sequel coming to gain comic. There might be a cover done already in there might not be as. You said there's a those ancillary characters. They have stories to so I think a lot of people will be interested in seeing some of those like your doc and holes in again remember the other guys. Some the other shady guys. Like to see some of their stories. Yet we're. We are talking about what we want to tell next because there's so many things that have happened as I said. We don't want to do anything that Netflix's die because I think people can see that, but there's so many things that have happened Cincinnati. Flick show, and these people are still on the limelight. Kill. Basking just took over. You know Joe Exotic Zoo so it sooner. You know there's so many different things that we can do so. Are there any you have any other irons in the fire? dark! Space Force with. Burma so so Daniels. Okay so stormy Daniels. For does at no is the one that was friends with the president for Awhile, and so we did a biography on her called. Actually. Let me grab it. Framed here. We did a political power. Stormy Daniels Comic Book. And so I get a call from her people two hours after goes live everywhere and our press release, and she had her book coming out about a year a year and a half ago now. And her book is coming out at the same time so I hit like perfect timing on this book. And we didn't mean to. We just did and we got like threatening things from her like from her. People's and you better take this down or else in like and I'm like. Juniors Sketchy and so I'm like so I called my agent. I'm like! Oh, my God, what do I do whatever I do, and she let me it whatever and then. It was handled, and there's like five o'clock, and I look my phone rings and I'm like Mike. WHO's calling and I'm like Michael Naughty and I'm like thinking. Do you know he is? Now I don't my glove. Naughty was hurt. That was going to run for president and he just trouble for some major Nadi. and he just got in trouble for some major. Crimes with Nike and so he ended up turning. He was like he was always on CNN and Fox News during interviews and so having. This guy called me and I'm thinking. It's just going to be as assistant unlike I. And then went to get. It passed into my agent so then a year later. I got a call from the guy who threatened me and he's like. Hey, you know the books not bad. We like it. We want to work with you and I'm like you know what let's put it and will come up. We'll. We'll do something and will donate a percentage of the proceeds to. The Wounded Warrior Foundation and run ads for them as well. And so we ended up doing that and she ended up writing a she wrote the foreword to the Book and Actually edited for us in the forward is actually worth just buying the book because it's Super Works and she's like she talked about everything. And what she does now she actually does comedy tours and she'll go to comedy shows in, so she invited us to one in Tacoma. Right before this Kobe stuff hit. and. She'll talk about everything anything. An initial on your questions Super Nice, and then we ended up like hanging out with her for like two hours afterwards. Just kind of like talking about ideas and I took Zaphon ago. You Know I. Don't want this relationship to end with this one comic book. Let's you know there's a space force. Then let's do stormy Daniels face scores, and she was like Oatley on board loved the idea and I'm super excited about it so. The Art is amazing Pablo. During it and I've enter shade and Michael Foale helping you write it, and we have stormy input as well so, and this is GonNa be ongoing comic right, not just one shot. Yeah, this it's brought between tiger kits sounds really bad, but between tiger gains stormy Daniels it's really by. Creativeness so I just really haven't been super creative in a long time. And really has brought it really back out, so the buyers are fun to do but These are dislike. Fun! S Good, so you've found your muse back with these two things you got your creative juices going again and are you? You're looking at other celebrities down the line or you just take it as it comes well, we have. We had more biographies coming out. We have Justin Trudeau coming out. That's there's an exclusive for you. Fan. Doing Dolly, Parton Female Force Oh wow. So excited about I just got the first ten pages to that. We have yeah, there's. Just I think I saw an ad. Teas. So. We've worked with that, so we did a series with him for about a year and a half we did A. it's called the misadventures of Adam West and it's basically. West as a hero. Basically with damnest super great so. So it's basically Adam losses, the most bitter actor in the world. Which is true, and he's not typecast as being Batman and super pissed off the type stuff. And then he was, he finally did family guy, he kind of like embraced the cheesiness, and so with this comic book he ends up getting an amulet sent to him by fans are he is like Adam West? ends like he's offensive amulet that takes him back into time to all the people that he's always wanted to be, so he's. He's like a space ranger, or you know A. Super Spy, and that type of stuff, James Bond of thing, so it's kind of like a Walter Mitty, but it's a superfund series and we ended up spinning off Julie Newmar series with her called the secret life of Julie Newmar. And then we tried working with burt ward, but he's. 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CLASH OF THE TITANS (1981)

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CLASH OF THE TITANS (1981)

"This program is a proud member of you. Need boys unified unique voices learn more at unidos pods dot net. Hello my name's. Patrick and i must scream queen. I'm a scream queen and celery you. Hello again might be you too full screamer than welcome to another episode of queens. It's the podcast where horror gets. This is episode three hundred and six and two nights. We are taking a trip all the way back to ancient greece. Because we're talking about the nineteen eighty-one stop motion fantastical epic clash of the titans star. And laurence olivier maggie smith and harry hamlin's titties. And this is the second part of our journey into comfort films before the hall before things get crazy when alison and brian. Comeback next episode. But we'll come back to that in a minute. Because i i have to say hi. Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is patrick. Walls and for the past eleven years have been your helpful guide to the weird and wonderful world of horror movies. But there's a caveat as most of you already know you're going to have to see these movies through my very very very very very very gay. Little is and when you talk about clash of the titans it's gonna get super gay up in here because this movie is already like down girl down. We're not there yet. So i mentioned nelson and brian go before we take off. I just wanted to say last time. I announced that for the next episode for the league bowling various special holiday episode. I left the choice of the movie up. T do you had four movies to choose from which were silent night deadly night cramps and the apocalypse and to all a good night and you all came out and voted in droves devoted through the newsletter voted on the survey. You voted on instagram posts voted on facebook post. The numbers were hot. Heavy and a hand to say it was neck and neck breakneck competition for a long time. It looked like all good night was just cream and the competition out of nowhere sailing daily. I came zoom out of the back and then after that crap is just like nah how but ultimately it came down to one single vote. Yep unseating to all a good night by one. Single solitary vote was drummer please. That was the worst drummer. I'll ever. I can't do it right there. we go forget. I did three drum rolls also okay. Ca-canada was a great drummer. All by the winner of the addition is and the yes. Patrick gets a music for christmas. Patch get the music for christmas. And of course they're gonna be talking about this with alison. No aki and brian poke and someone's going to be really mad that boobs in this. But i don't do it to him. I'll do it. I had to say it wasn't me. I had to tell. Allison i didn't pick the movie. They picked the movie be mad. Them not made this holiday season. No sirri so. I had been a little out of sorts these past few weeks. I have not been feeling well still having stomach issue from back in september. Actually that medicine made me sick. And i've had reactions to the medicine and then i had got reactions that i had. I had reactions to the medicine for the medicine for when i was six. So it's been weird so this episodes a little bit late. Things are just a little slow this month but it just remain patient all is going to come out in the end which is exactly what my doctor said about my stomach problems. That was gross. And you know what why bother dragging this out any more. I think it's time that we start to show take a listen to the trailer for the titans and bring on my very special guests matt. Matinee and doug shapiro the first that trailer about no but with suitable weapons weapons of defying tempa shield find handful failure destined metric. The medicine janos that loose the lost of the titans metro-goldwyn-mayer presents clash of the titans. The evil the danger the daring. How may face and feet cracking clash of the titans come that the courage the splendor. The spectacle clash of the titles. Starring harry hamlin as perseus. Judy belkin as drummer. Burgess meredith maggie smith bruce andrews clear blue sean phillips ropes and laurence olivier before history beyond imagination clash of the titans. So i up. He is a burlesque guard. Is he's manufacture soap. And he's curly sitting right next to the head of medusa which is very late into ever boys and girls. Welcome back to the show the fabulous reserve matt knife so good to see. It's a little scary up all these monsters and style Yeah i mean. I'm i'm not afraid of a greek monsters you now. They're they're one of my favorites. You say that. Now you say that now i think i think medusa could have been reason with what you know what we'll get into it watching it this time. I had a big good for her moment. But we're not there yet because we know introduced you because i realize watching this movie sitting is greece. We've got magazine. It was bringing him back to a simpler time when we talked about negative christie known as evil under the sun and i realize this also basically the same movie. So how can i do this. This particular guest. Everybody's papered brady cat. Mr i love you i'm moderately enthused about. I'd already caused incident. Hello doc it's been so long enough love for both of us. patrick. I love you too mad. Oh thank you eleven. Limitless gonna buy yourself. Yeah you already did shifted out today. They okay so fantastic. So the movie that we're talking about a clash of the titans from nineteen eighty-one and dosage. You have not been here in some time. I believe i'm going to need you to give me a nice tied. Thirty second plot summary of clash of the titans. The clock starts now. This is my report on clash of the titans. Flash the titans is a movie about fetus. Soc- who is played by a sperm chorus girl maggie smith. She cares too much for her deuce bag son and says a flip line about a shark then. She acts while her head still this movie. Also features harry hamlin's right nipple. This is my report clash of the titans and he was very very very very very very happy to be home. Ninety three men anymore ninety five. Okay matt matt see. We covered this last time. Recall matt is not a musical theater person. But he's going to be by the end of this one way or well done doug well. I would have just gone to the classic. Hero's journey perseus find his destiny and save the girl and rural joppa. But that's not what's important about the movie. Yeah nipples and maggie smith. You're absolutely right. you're absolutely right. i my book. Report is brown nosy. One years the more accurate and my jealous absolutely. Let's take a moment to talk about the cast of this because surprisingly small cast of human but all of our massive for instance starting right the we got harry hamlin I have never had a thing. For harry hamlin and i've seen this thousand times but i watched it this summer. Said i get it now. I get it now. It's been a good twenty five years since i've seen it before. His career was ruined by kate. Jackson jackson like angels. They did that movie making love and he played the lose the gay relationship and it ruined his. He couldn't get work And now he's married to lisa renaissance. Go figure back which is amazing to look that up. I look drag race when somebody played. Lisa arena at then opt into like. Give it a little cameo congratulate them and then he shows up. Yeah well because that was the tagline the whole tirade. She was like hamlet hamlet absolutely. What was that Law and order type. Show that he was in the eighties around. This time to. I'll i don't know we good lord veronica mars. Of course i knew that. But that's more recent you know. This isn't the most known driving me crazy. Because i remember when i was a kid like he's in this you know. Suit and time. Show no was born to be jones barbie and it was a student type thing i would never recognize whereas nipple cut out the nipple in the law scenes through the blazer so just be right there like poke through. It's in my contract. I'm sorry i think he's actually great this movie because one of the things that always bothers me about this type of movie is stiff. Everybody seems what the heightened language. He's like he just floats right on top of it. He handles the strange language so well he really does like with the right circle ks and no pun intended. And even though he's the hero character offering these things. They come off as pompous assholes. That can't do anything wrong. He's got the sense of wonder to them at amazement about what he's doing. That makes it more interesting. And it's good for him. I agree i think. Add some more depth to it and also makes it more of more romantic. I think you know. Because i can think the remake of clash of the titans went way to the other side with it where why didn't even bother. Well it was. It don't because it's really super disrespectful to this version and then it's can you hear me delicious and like there's one point where there like super butch super aggressive and there's a scene where they're like powering up to go kill medusa and they're in the armory and they pickup bobo. The mechanical owl and he goes well. What do we do with this. And he's like away. And i was just like well. There goes your merchandising. With the kids. Idiot so i was just like a. It's awful and that was that was kind of the nail in the coffin for me. But eh i think why i agree you as. I think that everyone committed to the fact that this was like an ancient greek meads. Shakespeare meets harlequin. Novel needs at children's greek mythology book. You meet softcore. Yes i an alanon vessel right but by the way for all the sner yelling at us right now. L. a. law. That's it. I knew i would remember it if i heard it. Yes l. a. see. I always thought that was french. La la story back light the movie but when on time but the top let me up by desert okay phase the other people the would never tell you about it easily yogurt so because the rest of the cast is all fleshed out for the most part by our sc great so talk about handling language with with grace with weight and but never coming off corny of pro right off the top laurence olivier good lord as the big man himself. Who's apparently incredibly sick this entire slightly. He just sits and just looks ceriga olympics. It's just kind of hanging worst club ever it really is. We'll come back to that. We'll come back but he also got. Claire bloom claire bloom. And if you don't know who. Claire bloom is she was the original. Feo in the haunting. Nine hundred sixty three what. Harvard lesbians ray for lesbian that's right. I never put that together before. Maggie smith Did say magazine do never heard of it. Never heard of and also just for some scandal we have ursula andress with whom harry hamlin was in a longtime relationship with at the time of this movie shop. She got pregnant and he's like no now keep the baby. We're not going to get married but keep the baby and it's amazing in her. I'm debates and then shortly. Afterwards harry hamlin unceremoniously dumped her. That's how it was phrased. Does that mean that she wrote that. Or her publicist somebody. Yeah exactly exactly. They wrote that is a big scandal because it was already a big scandal for hollywood is because she's twice as twenty years older than him and that was a big deal. It was the other way around. Nobody would have cared. But anyway we digress. But by favorite catcher actors of all time is in this movie. I'm talking about all burgess. Meredith burgess meredith. Yes he's so good in the city so cute even better. He is the first example of the dialogue structure in this movie. Yep okay so let's get into the movie itself. Why because this shit to dig into your. Because i picked this specifically because it's a comfort film grant. I haven't seen the movie in twenty years but just the idea of sitting down watching it gave me such a warm fuzzy. This is going to be fun. The movie opens. There's not even a title card then the studio and it's like with the charming state of a woman in an infant baby being nailed into a coffin. Set up to say in all the processional women in nine hundred and sixty s go addresses drums. And obviously they're like okay. This is a grim opening grim grim. And okay excuse me here. I had kind of an out of body experience almost immediately opening of this film. All of a sudden i became a divorced father. Who had the kids today. Who brought them to clash of the titans. Back in nineteen eighty-one patriot. The movie opens and the credits roll yet. And i'm already been bombarded by questions that i have not prepared for. It had absolutely no answer for why she wouldn't know the movie started. I don't know. I don't know i don't know where are the women sixties. Coatdress is sticking. Goes on it was weird. They put the baby in the woman who just set them off the see to die and then the credit start. It's like yet da. Da da data data like exact happy season on to okay kit kit either going to be really good. By the time i can help i gotta figure. Some of the kids are deployed traumatized. So i don't get into custody taken away and then immediately after that it's great i took it to colella fucking. Is this like boeing doors movie and you get a totally topless woman right off the top of the movie and i was there at the time at the time a lot of these sorts of sandals movies were especially greek. Myth ones were excuses for softcore porn. Stop and i'd be like great. I took the kids to the rodney. I'm never getting cut that my children again. Thanks thanks thanks. Greg valid out dell. Did you know. There's a naked woman on this beach at. She's got no clothes on and she's also nude so what happened why nailing baby in a coffin alta. I'll take this. Because the king had a prophecy that his grandson would kill him in tickets crown and so he hit his daughter up in a tower and so no one could see her. But zeus of course saw her and came as glittering shower gold gay covered her covered her in his golden shower and then she became pregnant and he found out and then through them in the ocean and was pretty much lake. christmas right. It's christmas was yeah was pretty much like Yeah i've presiding kills them. It's on him and basically he's pissed off. Distorts our at what you get from the movie. 'cause three at the short version it basically. He's pissed off that his his queen or wherever she had got had sex zoos and this baby she was unfaithful so she has to be killed like it. We dance around. This message is in these dancer. Emma god raping in this movie. It's just what is he. Well according to the story. I mean they did fall in love so i mean when he does say he does save her. But we don't know that well. The happy siegel is yeah. I mean this movie does actually really gloss over the rape in the story like when we get some medusa like totally. But i send her a taxed. Let her know by the way. I'm gonna be you're gonna end up this coffin. It'll be for this amount of time. Contracting is very important a relationship so that she knows it doesn't need to be scared and started screaming. Yeah the great gods famous for raping women elite and this one all that stuff. Just you know what my human form is enough. They'll she'll really go for swan or cuttlefish because that's a subtle field. That's the best best one so now. We cut to olympics where. Zeus is furious that this is happening and i i had thoughts. I had thoughts of said. Oh well this. The mount olympus is reminded me of the genius bar the apple storage. There's lots of people standing around waiting for and a happen in togas though and togas like doug said it's the worst nightclub to everybody's dressed to the nines and there's nothing to do a substan- around bigger with all these people who have slept with each other waiting for some old queen to finish playing with his toys as just play with the little dolls right. No wonder everybody's so creek for eternity. This is what you do every day. Attorney know what everybody's so angry bitter nope no messy. Why does your husband loved. The girl donna. She's very beautiful so beautiful. The decrease yes father grew jefferson kept a god. The eyes of men locked behind ion doors but zeus transformed himself into a glittering shower. Golden visitor visited her and loved. And marsha i show any compassion when it had drown and a child with the child. Perseus is the son of zeus. That is why he is to be saved and riot. Office is due to fuck with people when we got to do what you do. We can't pick. We can't bashing each other. Where immortal supposed to do. I mean can make for everyone but citing oak forgot that wig. Now okay. I guess one of the reasons. That movie is beloved for me is because it's got special effects. Stop motion animation. Monsters of ray harry housing which elevates the moving to a whole new level and the last gasp of this art form before it right away forever and just to tie everything into evil under the sun because everything ties back to evil under the sun especially in this movie. Ray harry housing sounds like the name of one of my regardless relatives. You know that you'll be spouting off some random. Ten men about about doubt my cousin ray harry house and his wife one tad no ovarian system. That was so big that she took it for bowling ladies night. And they're wonderful and they hold up really well but there's also limitations of other special effects that we're totally used movies. At the time like superman they use the same effects projection screens and they don't particularly stuff with presidn one. Onscreen august green. Yeah okay jumped a little bit because suicides after you know. Busy with all the gods and goddesses that he's going to destroy the city of that king who the bad thing to put the we're going to release a crack inter everybody's died not a creature will stand not we'll slither always going to release a cracker. Which is done is revered. King abandoned his daughter and her child to the you will be punished and rufus prime plus from dad tired and pray to me to forgive your savage jealous college revenge i christie is always shown devotion to the gods of olympics in the past. He's built many magnificent temples and dedicated them to you. Great zoos father of the gauls hundred. Good deeds not total mudder thousand temples stat tunes sanctuaries was scheduled to. Are you here to texas lovely to see you as a wise and full of aphrodite goddess. Musi got white powder. Forgive this one. Contemptible act of love does it matter. The death of a girl and her child grow stores. After a lifetime's respect now use must be punished. Candies people within decided come on you to raise a win under undersea destroy us to make certain that no stone stands that no creature crawls i come on to lose. The last of the titans stuck crackup kingdom creatures must destroy as you from beside release the crack and so you have lots of shots. Poseidon underwater staring with wide open. Yeah and his tongue hanging out for some reason with this wig flap at all around him girl now girl. No this is all bad. This is all bad. And gosh where my notes. He's somebody of importance at i. Forget who it is. And if i can't find while you're for your notes interject into something that you just said about the Practical effects and stuff is just to go to the remake. The remake failed because it was too much Cgi and not enough practical effects. So it's like because that was the remake was made. What was that like ten years ago until it was like when everybody was gay. Let's just cgi everything and then when people realized there was like wait. That looks off law. So you know. I think that that's where it's like. A jim henson kinda gets it. Right is a lake. Because i feel like especially with like a subject like greek mythology really need to have things. They're physically an honest ruin. This podcast me. Because now all i want is jim henson clash of the titans. That'd be awesome. So let's let's go ahead patrick. No no you're fine. I'm just looking for manisa. Trying to find the name of the actor who played because he had a big heart connection. I can't find fix it in post. Hi this is patrick. Fixing actor jack. William aside from being in patent and lawrence of arabia would after the titans would go on to star as van helsing in the beloved cult horror. Film the monster squad. That's why i wanted to bring them up and also was in the original jason and the argonauts if he he's no stranger to raise harry. How's it and stop motion. But he was a mobster squad and precise got nods. Okay back to the show. The city of argos is being destroyed by the crack. What i loved about this. it's all that classic are an allen destruction movie kind of stuff. It's all that easy projections stuff like people being clearly having like a styrofoam rockfall on them. And you see the same. Eight extras getting killed over again. In different togas i love. There's the one shot where i think it's just like it's just like a staircase just like it's like they turned on a fire. Hose just like say like or the guy. Falling in the bathing suits under the toga. Yeah yeah this wouldn't have happened in scotland now now now now. It's wonderful stuff like that. If you enjoy that is great. It is what it is and one of the things i noticed that aside from the cast like all these crises. There's nobody in this movie. This sober a couple of scenes with crowds for everything else is the same people. But you what you gotta do. Who are having the time of their lives. Hit me with the fake water one more time. Which was the original title. Alice olympics because maggie smith is throwing epoch shade and i will be playing sound clips from it because i used of so many women of attracted and we couldn't possibly remember. Activity has foolish pride and a handsome son as you say so many women and all these transformations and disguises. He invents in order to seduce them sometimes. A shower of gold a bull or a swan y once even tried to ravage me disguised as a fish. Did he succeed. Certainly not what did you do. Beat him at his own game simply turn myself into a shock. When your husband is the writer on it it helps. Yes yes that's right. She was married to the screenwriter. Gets her one. We'll down abby line of course but we know better as the wider and higher line iron wider. I love that. She's defending her so her son calicoes issues. A grew into a young man had a happy childhood. The advantage of a strong body at a handsome face or move at any desire or reza son calicoes. He's crimes on forgivable be merciful to him. Show pity plus every had found it. You was patron goddess of the rich city of top have spoiled and he tells him since giving the wells of moon to roll of what he's done hundred destroyed every living creature trump's and killed lice secret hud flying hoses now owner. The pegasus remains Punished no i bake you be muscle. Become harmed to human size be shunned and forced to live as an outcast in the swamps and marshes transformed to a motto mockery shameful viable food. She's like well. How come you're saving this stupid princess just because you slept with our where my son or my son because her son apparently a abused his power and has hunted down all the animals and made the huge error of killing. All of zuma's beloved wigan horses except for pegasus here saying but no he'll be twisted hideous great because you see the shadow of turning into your your narcissistic son who basically does not anybody. But himself pod camp with bloodlust yes. Let's give him power and some gifts that doug. I'm sorry this is where my mind. My mind went dear colleagues medusa. What's buzz galvez. But did you catch the xanadu. Tien in the fact that it's happening in great without it'd be with it. It's really subtle whenever up on his throne. Oh that of course the his few neon lights in the back of the very very very very similar to the scene. Where living in. John goes back to mount olympus in xanadu which is apparently in anarchy game and saying. Keep me spending time with you. And it's all these orange lines so it's the same referencing each other. And i said i approve. It's like tron limps except you never get to play video games. You get to stand around and watch somebody played. And that's all you get to do on their gods maybe through a little bit paint figurines just saying. Meanwhile i'm looking at the hunters. The hunters seen name athena ability to mad. Because he's were expected something crazy she goes. I'm looking at this poor actress going. Okay so did no one else get the memo that it was bringing her to work day. The only one day again. We're really ever. I know but it wasn't just the album. I have no lines to stand with a fucking owl threatening to pack up. He's all day every day. You know if i was playing athena did not actually have an hour for me. I would have a fit like i. I was actually just telling cubby. I hit a not so secret like i want to have an owl opab coolest animal and it's one of the reasons why i've always loved. Als is of this movie. I made myself a little bobo. I was a kid. Because i was so obsessed like well and also not to mention. If is my favorite godless. So i mean in greek mythology. 'cause i when i was in sixth grade did this project where I made like sort of a minimum folded staple them together. And i cut it out. Look at the head of zeus and then a cut the top so when you took the top you could pull athene out with a string. Because she was because he was born out of his head so it was like a little teabag. my god. You're right oh my god. I made athena teabags zeus. How did i not know. I was gay in in. The funny thing is about this story to is that athena's actually should have been the central goddess and the story fetus. What the hell are you here. What's doing in the club who letter in look. Who brought a bird. Okay what other goddesses in water. Fetus that teams. That is the movie which is again amazing. Amazing we're a good twenty minutes in now and we've had all this kerfuffle all of his rage about this poor woman being nailed the coffin with a baby. We've had the seat of the epoch destruction of an entire city. Everybody's dad monster has been released. Huge huge destruction everywhere. And we we see the the coffin still floating in the water and those things. They're having the worst day ever right now. They've ever happen to anybody. Libya we've all sort of been in the coffee like kids. An email by email isn't working. Kobe's racking the nation this war all over the place you. There's no way expanded chasma yoga. It's good beside and has been charged of saving them as well and he goes back and he's very proud he says i have saved i. I've seen them. And i the parts of the of less boats. I wish i wish he's. He's deposited on some deserted relatively desert island and it just patriots. He's going. He's he's made sure they have this. They have that everything is provided for. Make sure you drop off some clothes for the time. Remember what happened. Last time i will never mind too late. Walk long have people walking around naked. A pg movie which caused quite a stir greek islands. You know i would walk around naked all the time to. I went to ten christianity. Yeah you'd be like you'd be all the way to work who can afford clothing to shots that they have nudity and go. Everybody has closed. Except it's full nudity as it is but again it's a pg movie aimed at kids Right better well into the kid is negative. Let me. I feel like it's i think i feel like it's presented very Innocently eight oh it is it is it is but it. It's so funny. Because that's the only nudity on the movie and it's like right there in the first five minutes because it turns out that the sun as perseus. There's little boy who's nail in the coffin and he's going to be our hero for the rest of the film. It's the little quick montage of him growing up exploring different sizes of loincloths. And now just forget exactly how this happened. But management decides. He's got a she's got a fuck them become fitted he may change his mind. Had it been his own child perseus. He would have forgiven him for my son caliber. There is to be no mercy and no marriage of the princess and all that how can they be know how yet if my son is not to marry her. Then no manuel. Priests of joppa are loyal. I will speak to them in dreams. And omens as my calicoes offers so android. I promise you son of zeus is to be left to the wing of child's by nine is an issue with deformity. It is time for chines to intervene time. You saw something of the world perseus time you came face to face with in time to know the terrors of the dark and look on time. Your eyes were opened to grim reality. Far to the east across the sea in joppa in the kingdom of venetian. Because that's what they do because she's jealous because bosa suffering and he's getting to be running around naked on fantasy island with the black stallion all day long on on on for nisha. He's on the island venetia and smith. She has speech. We'll play because i don't have exactly right but she says i'm gonna give him a taste of chance he's going to know what death means. What lost means. And i'm going to interfere right about now. So he's out kind of snoozing on the beach looking up at the moon at she transport them to another city somewhere else he just wakes up. It's like everyone is remarkably chilled. That he's just like transported across the country. Going chance mega. Smith chance that you know i just happened to by by chance to teleport degrees chances a big word. I'm glad to zoos called around later. What do you mean chance. How dare you and harry's really not that thrown by it either. He's pretty somewhere else. Well i just sort of think you know you're living you're dealing with characters that are used to divine intervention fan. And there's a magic is real so i think that you know it's a certain point it's like later. The gods or sorta very present. I think it's really cool. Because then when he wakes up and he's in the amphitheater at the good old. What's his name shows out what's his name Burst tell me where i am. Where am i. What do you mean you play you are. I don't know now. Let's be patient for moment. My name is alma. I am poyton a playwright. You my name is persons into the kingdom of august by the gods. How did you get here. I'm not even sure. I know where here is. This is the amphitheater where the great city of joplin but how i was lying on the seashore old the move. That might explain things you see them. I think we'd be safer inside out of the night air. Now i must apologize. Were all these dramatic finery and all these theatrical effects. I've put on now and then you'll frighten away the curious it makes them think the amphitheatres on. Why is everything so neglected. Oh sign of the times. This kingdom is under a curse and city is in despair and everyone goes around muttering mine. Happy who is not dead at shows up it is you know. Basically the thespian. That runs the theatre. Which i think is cool because again it kind of adds this layer of classic british actors and they're in a theater and this is very greek in. It's very cool. But yeah i just think that His character a lot says you know like the gods like know by the gods like and so. I do think that i appreciate that. You know the pagan me appreciates like here. It's like oh you know this is like your acknowledging the fact that this is like it's not circumstances it's not coincidentally it's not you know it's not your neighbor fucking with you. It's odds literally picked you up. Put you here and we're just accepting the fact and moving on we're going to try to figure out why it must be for a reason why you don't have to wait long ever purchase bread it's fabulous and all this just love. These comes out trying to scare him and his theater outfit going. This is probably a bad as crowded as the fifth. It's like the biggest crowd added this time. Sick one dared shut up and then and then he gives the great like the pattern of lines that they say throughout the movie of expedition. My name is amman. I'm a poet and a playwright. This the epa theater joppa. And i really want all these said by terrance and phillip tarrant just made a and by the way scott dick. No you're no you're dick this go you know. She's got a new ally. Everything's cool and then all of a sudden they started getting gifts from. Oh here's the fake at some point where hold on hold on. Hold please because if this point. The burgess meredith. Got on my bad side where it's like. Well you can't be laying around dressed like this. Come come let me take it to the wardrobe so we can get you something more appropriate something more revealing even more revealing than the loincloth. And you're in right now. Say you were disappointed. That he he bait him cover his shame. Nobody they'd be noted that if was initially was like really really. Do you know what kind of movie this is. What the audience of this movie is. Leave it all day but he just put them in a more. Fancied loin clause happy. It's all good okay. It was still short. That'll do pig side for the hero's journey. It's easy to be the movie the longer. The movie goes on more. Heroin gets the longer his dress cats so tbb journey for the dress as well around like making gestures. Now it's really helpful. But it is macho perseus outfit. But he's got these drapes over his wrist city s to keep for the costuming people. It's not a very masculine affect. But they wear wear as well whereas also what masculinity looks. Like to walk around like michael jackson's thriller but that's what i like about. The greek says the keep away from open flames. Keep away from over. it's very masculine and feminine. Way which is go into that But we we get we get. The price is right final showcase the gods. Oh my gosh. We never really thought 'cause they're all the little next to their news of a goddess it who's basically it was basically romero the statue. There's ooh did. It could be prices right as well. I don't know. I don't know what the everybody okay but. Yeah so we get some sort and helmet and shield which not only which one only save his life sunday. It also all my gosh vitriolic zeus at this point which was a little alarming. I'll try the meet. what did you say. I didn't say anything capable of that statue of hera from that shield because when you first hear the voice not this golly voices kind lights homeless like the worm and in a labyrinth that and because he had the shield zeus on on video calls zoom call zero. He's looking fabulous. As i find their hems with this silken thread bear witness that has she is my heiress so pass use becomes my air. I she is my daughter. So plus us becomes mice some. Give her to the man who has saved us from this. I give andromeda the most beautiful of all prizes more beautiful than anything on a all in even more lovely than that god status but on the other side. It's a picture of me. It is it has but now he gets the whole thing later. I was like it's so speaking find. Yep because that's how could you be a little more specific. You keep saying that. But i need a little bit more detail. Verbal contracting is so important in relationships really. But it doesn't matter we got these three fabulous gift and he can't person can't wait to show him he puts in how many decides to go into joppa invisible. Check things out and this is me being retarded like you know what. It's time for me to say goodbye. Finish and get to the jump up by felicia. Hella jones is it. Chocolate ended up. It is work with me here. i'm blending tired. Gay joke with a tired arm's sports negga joke work with me. Here goes the into the city at their burning someone in the court square with just like they're just standing there like everybody just like watching this person like because like another day. This is where Perseus meets his boyfriend. Which i say you thank you. Here's the guy in the movie right here. Also justice justice for thilo movie just gets no love the exposition around a horse. her water. Remember being a kid. I was like hello and exposition. Yeah he's got the horse. Whip your agent okay. You guys will get this because we have the camera right here. I'm doing my best cameras fucked up. But i can't get the angles right but when we first meet fellow when there's to cross each other's path before anybody anything to anybody fellow check them out up and down here is up and down before it says in other words he's like. Hey what's going on you care to go behind this fluted column. I don't see a fluid. Fellow is his sidekick this movie and we don't even get his name until after he's dead because all these were the experts that he's throwing every line comes man. He's really bitter the whole movie because he's like just sticking my mouth. It's grace eddie really cigarettes you talk with. Its ancient greece. Why isn't there more gay stuff. And every game and then also be purchased by there. Were lots of flames. In the center of the square. There are because why. Why are they burning people to say to the square boys tuesday aside from that because andromeda is accepting suitor applications and she has to they have to answer a riddle and if they get it wrong then they died. Yep this is this was. She was engaged to cali boss. Mega on who has been towards hideous monster when she broke it off of them. This is his curse on her. What's his name again. What's healthy and drama. Do drama do do do do dude dude dude dude. Set their butts on five turned spending. Okay we're back back. yes this is. This is this curse that basically She has to perform this ritual over and over and over again and it's an impossible riddle. Yada yada yada yada yada. And i like her mom. It's not it's cassiopeia all these are all correct. Cassandra was the boys. I know that. But i always get cassiopeia cassandra screwed up. I know cassandra was blind. She does a psychic wounds. Believed in jail. Were told you up from so. I do her. Podcast the imagine that stupid idea that so this is where it gets creepy so we use purchase uses his gift helmet from the gods to sneak into a sleeping girls bedroom. Which is not okay. Not okay now here on the scream. Queens horror podcast. We have had a long standing observation about movies in general and that one of this particular role is that when things get diaphanous shit is about to go crazy for instance if you're in a movie and a character all of a sudden shows up in a day africa's nightgown that she's never worn in the movie before even though we've seen her and other gas at the movie shit is about to get crazy. The same rule also applies to curtin. I've noticed over time. And so we enter and in his bedroom at. She's got these fabulous glitter diaphanous bed curtains around everything i'm going oh shits about to get an thought out because who else is in her bedroom. Guys of ultra. No not a vulture giant comes with a little cage though for her. You know the elevator late. I know third okay. Okay and again not boost. If this wasn't enough this was what he sees. This goes version of andromeda rise out of her body walk across the room get into the birdcage and the giant vulture flies. And he's just like wow. She's really beautiful madison on. Not only did she just get diaphanous in the movie. Your girlfriend just literally got diaphanous. She's transparent right now. And you're actually like i and at this point susan. My husband and i were watching this at both of us had parrots on our shoulders. They lost their minds at this section with the bird calls big vulture cage the holy cause that because the noise. It makes it so like. It's the noise that they guess it's like whenever they needed. Stop motion birds. Like the harpies jason and the argonauts make the same noise like. I wonder what really makes that noise that they were well. If this with this this is me and also tied into stop motion every time. The eagle eagle the vulture. It was on screen every going on anything new. The lesser known rudolph reindeer new year's eve sequel blink with baby new year. Yeah rudolph's shiny new year baby. Do your kidnapper. This giant vulture named john now is called. Thank you captain random. You're welcome twelve of my listeners. Know exactly what. I'm talking about ed. Judging you accordingly perseus goes bags realizes that he needs to apply to and so they go in they get pegasus. They tame pegasus and Iraq calling wild and then he turned around and follows andromeda into the swamp and there she meets columbus who takes a is toward fabulous gives. Her gives her the answer to this. It's funny because it's like it's like one league letter here. What the what. The riddle is this like montell. That's yeah yeah. Yeah he she gets. She gets riddle of the day. It's like. I don't speak ancient greek but hold information in just a few years. What i thought was amazing is that we go to the swamp with the giant giant vulture. We meet calicoes. Calabro kind of drag queen fabulous like the big. You know ray like rings the late all the jewelries lesbian haircut. He's he's rocking it and believe it. It's greece great. And i'm not talking about the musical grace. Atoms all your background. But i've ever met. He surrounded himself an army of people that look like chaka from the law. Besides side was easy as that seen. Relented jimmy durante. So he's running around at a bunch of olympic dressed up the same way. Yeah so yes. I wish they had the whole thing is that he gets up. They didn't they have a song. Because a mega smith doesn't get a song. My husband is the screenwriter. Bette davis now. But that's how it when she wants what's happened is that the person who's now knows the answer to the riddle so he goes presents to the court when it's time for another suited her come forward. He answered correctly there and in the movie done right santa movie right but there wasn't good answer for some reason. Hula dancer was out the celebration. It may great berryman. They brought one dancer. Who's like a bitch again. Oh god and everybody else did. We have another act now. She's lovely she's great but saw a while. what happened. Who somebody on the bad about somebody. And now everything's bad or that time. When cassio pay decided to throw shale. Maggie smith john cut character in the middle the wedding announcement as i bind with this silken thread bare witness heiress so pass use becomes my air. I she is my daughter so plus use becomes my son. I give her to the man who has saved us from this. I give andromeda the most beautiful of all prizes more beautiful than anything. A all in even more lovely. The god teddy's don't do that.

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Really Awful Movies: Ep 269  Q The Winged Serpent

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Really Awful Movies: Ep 269 Q The Winged Serpent

"Up of the news. This evening is speculation concerning the real facts behind the department of health announcement about a radioactive spill supposed to have a cut yesterday at the state nuclear plant. You'll die only to live again in a younger body. Then you could tell me if the operation was a success. German to have your brain. You're listening to the really awful movies podcast celebration of genre. Cinema. Hi, my name is Chris and along with Jeff we talk about movies that aren't really awful at all horror action kung FU musicals post-apocalyptic women prison films much much more from downtown headquarters. Here's episode two sixty nine q the winged serpent feel like there should be like an accent of the and it should be the winged serpent. Isn't it the wing it serves? No, that's okay. It sounds more wicked to be winged. Usually I mean now gonna put anguish teacher hat, but when you have a word ends with e d that's a adjective as opposed to the past tense of verb is pronounced it. Learn it so this is the winged serpent is concern. However, my confusion stems is not from the whatever you call after the title after the Cole. I don't know. There's a certain deck is what we call in journalism. I've always referred to this movie as q the wing it serpent, you referred to as q the winged serpent everybody that I know refers q the winged serpent and yet earlier today, I figured I'd do a little lost research. I went on and this movie's cute, nothing more, no cue, aka the winged serpent. So where do the derivation of the winged serpent come from? I mean, obviously Q is going. Yeah. To a certain extent refer variously as dragon and whatever mythical beast as tech Mexican or of course, Q stands for Mexico. I didn't even bother KwaZulu. Not up on my Aztec was hoping you would write them phonetically. I don't know. It's a rough gold. And of course, the reason why we're doing the wing serpent is sort of an honor of another one of our dearly departed. Yeah. Unfortunately, the great Larry Cole in who passed away recently one of the one of the masters. I mean, this is a man who. He's towering figure within the John. You know, besides the fact, you know, to twenty one features many of them are films we hold highest team. I mean stuff like it's a live various sequels, God told me to black Caesar always going to say Asian before got to Horry was he was he kind of worked in the box particular our bone help in Harlem, black Caesar. She's me. And of course, the stuff that say the stuff the red stuff stuff we had Michael Moriarty. And that's another thing. Michael Moriarty is almost like that the Niro to Larry Cohen score says they worked together analogy many times. That's good. But yeah, they worked together in in five projects. Besides Q. Of course, Mike Moriarty. Who is I love the guy. I mean, the guy is he's one. I think he's one of the most underrated doctors out there. I agree. I think he's a law and order as well. He brought a survived from on or really. Yep. Boy, he brought a kind of a mean streets kind of sad sack low level criminality vibe to this role here. And he really carries the film over a movie. That's about a winged serpent. I mean, it's all rests on his capable shoulders. Right. He was terrific. And. Yeah. So I mean addition to Q I mean, he was in the stuff, of course. And he was in not it's alive. Not it lives again, which was the secrets alive. He was. It's a alive three. He was in return to sail him slot. Which was also directed by Mr. colon and also episode masses of horror which Larry Cohen wrote and directed so. Yeah, I mean, Larry Cohen twenty one hundred twirl credits twenty credits as producer eighty seven writing credits. We talked maniac cop in the past. And I really don't think I've seen anything by Larry Cohen that I did not like I can't think of that either. And he was also the subject of the wonderfully titled king Cohen, which really sums it all up right there. I mean. Yeah, he just brings a certain energy. Gee and mystique to every he doesn't do a bad movie. I've yet to see one. So I've only seen maybe six or seven of his twenty. But and the thing I really like about Larry Cohen as well is that he's a maverick. He did things his own way. Most of the time this filter made independently he he I look at him as almost like like people always talk about the seventies and stuff, and you know, the easy rider rating bull school or whatever. But in the late seventies early eighties and New York City. There was a Serb like burgeoning horror underground, you know, like with I'm thinking, like the Basta cases. No, you have your Franken. Lauder? You know, you have your from kids with three trash you have even like regular Lambertson was slime city like any movie that takes place in the near in New York City in the late seventies early eighties. Like, this is my favorite time period for New York City, at least cinematic -ly, I'm not gonna say like I wanna live there. You know, it was still the Big Apple rotten to its core. But anytime we have a movie that set in New York City in this time period. I am in. And so we got New York City. We got Michael Moriarty. We got Larry colon got David Carradine, Richard Roundtree. Yeah. And we have was basically a modern day the time updating of fifty screener feature. So how can you go wrong? You can't I was just thinking. Well, you can't because you pronounce wrong, you can I didn't want to be disparaging. But I think Cohen's bailiwick is to take something that's on the surface dung and make it smart. So it's almost like a Trojan horse. A vehicle so you have this. What is essentially a ridiculous movie that is for purposes. Yeah. Creature feature, but it is surrounded with wrapped up in whip smart top-drawer dialogue and character driven and as they maybe should be. But they often art. It's alive is the same way. Oh, killer, baby. Think of Chucky the killer doll sequels went on game less and less interesting. It's alive is way. More interesting conceit than killer dole it actually horror from within its Cronin Bergen, his movies always have that kind of feel this one was the same. And you're right again, like the creature is inconsequential, obviously with this the tiller reader, but it is character driven. I mean a couple of weeks ago, we we podcast tackle the leaks. I mean the characters and those movies, they're so entertaining. So disposable about the crew. Feature whereas in this movie. Yeah, you got the creature, and it's a pretty cool creature. Really is and the way it was rendered is amazing. I think we're gonna talk more about that as we continue discussing it. But. We're not so much invested in the creature as we are in the characters in Jimmy Quinn, and what better like criminal low-life name is there in the pantheon of names. Full disclosure going to be a father soon, and I've been coming up with different names. And I was thinking Jimmy ever been a more sleazy name if you go to a pool hall, and there's a guy named Jimmy who's going to take fifty bucks at your pocket. Right. And he's going to hustle. You. Jimmy is a guy down on his luck. Jimmy is a guy who's a permit Griffin. His on the graft on the take Jimmy's is something about it are any listener right now. And he just please this one to the hilt, and he's we're introduced Michael Moriarty as a driver in a. He's a Bank robber. But he's drivers. He's a criminal associates smalltime crook, a low life, you somebody that really doesn't have a fix address or any sort of legitimate source of income, and please hang on Ted song from takes toits wherever hanging the band. Yeah. No place to hang my head. Okay. Either. What? Yeah. No fixed address. That's that's the colloquialism yet. And he's the one who really. Evolved. People gets wind of this creature and tries to tell disbelieving authority that this is what they're dealing with. As people start to go missing. And people are being plucked out of the street by this winged beast, and which is funny because obviously his word is not his bond because he's criminal low-life and NYPD does not take him. Seriously. I seen we see a window washer plucked off the window and decapitated what an amazing scene. I was. I've. Little bit of fear of heights live. We both live in high rises that really got to me and you were saying earlier, but the maverick eighties New York influence, I've felt that a lot of this movie was permit free that they were taking cameras and sticking willy nilly because I thought where did they get like most of the scenes I felt like they were not that had a very guerilla style approach of the film making. I don't know. Yep. Yep. And in fact, one of the things that I did learn from my very quicker Serie research ninety is that the origin of this particular movie is Larry Cohen wrote the script, and I guess was supposed to work on set for a movie called. I the Terry. Now, I think I recall this movie as one starring Don Johnson, whatever happened. I mean, he's I don't know twelve angry men for morons. What is this? What kind of movie would this be? I don't know. Well, I mean, there's a reason why we're doing podcast queue the wing it serpent. I jury because what happened was colon was in New York City. He was all set to work on either jury, and for whatever reason, I didn't get this. He got fired. And then he said, you know, what I'm here in New York. I'm set up. I'm gonna make movie on mocking. Let's go to waste and another bit of inspiration was building when Larry Cohen saw the Chrysler building. He thought C L. Keane says lightbulb moment, right. And his lightbulb moment was the top of that Chrysler building. That'll be an amazing place for gigantic birds nest. Hence our movie. Well, so yeah. When the movie begins we have a lady working her office, and there's a window washer, and she expresses a little bit of a little displeasure because apparently this window washer has been coming by if you ties a bit of a pervert window as I would be as well. I mean, we're not maybe not I don't know. Come on your entire business involves peering into people's windows. The most Hitchcock in job ever. Well, they're doing the window washing my building right now vising us keep the blinds. But anyhow forgetting about the purview window washer. All of a sudden this gigantic almost prehistoric Mazar swoops down and knocks the head clean off to amazing right into the streets of near city problem is the fund the window washer without ahead. I think couldn't find the head and we've got two policemen on the job one being shepherd that play by the wonderful. David carry. I'm sorry. I'm pulling sneeze. It's about to come out. I'm trying to keep it in. There's nothing worse than holding sneeze of holding afar. Glad you're doing both. Just a terrific character on the hunt again hard nosed hard-bitten New York City cop. Trying to figure out how all the moving parts fitting there. And again, you're finding body parts and all the stuff and getting these strange the witness testimonies that really cannot be believed, but he's working with another officer law. This being sergeant Powell played by shocked himself, Richard Roundtree, and they attribute the loss of the head to maybe some broken glass or something. And yet there's no glass and the heads missing. And there's an incredible line where Rowntree security versus head. He goes. I don't know maybe his head just got Lucille. What do you? Flooded. Love love it. There's a bit of an analog to the Italian cannibal movies, which frequently would start in New York City, and they're leads point them to so called experts in the field because at this point, they're just at a loss and cops. Usually when have nowhere else to turn go to some high falutin expert or maybe to a psychic. And at this point, he approaches I guess someone from the local university. And again, the time honored profession of the anthropologist in this guy gives a wonderful run up. And you'd think I'd be able to. Say the ashtec God's name properly after all this. But it's quite soul. You know, HAMAs pita pedal on. Whose last name, and he told of asset and Simpson's anyway, tech, and and shepherd the Carribean character is suitably dismissive as often the case in these procedural type things where you hear a bunch of what sounds like mumbo jumbo and then you say, oh, yeah. Whatever whatever professor. But then he finally is convinced that he should do some homework, and he actually take some books from the professor's office for reading at home. And that's when they start to suss out how there's a there's a proper mobile hind. This all involves what the movie quotas potential ritualistic murder sacrifices in one thousand nine hundred two and this is what it leads to. And this is where the direction investigators pointed in with the help, of course scumbag, Jimmy, right? So we're talking about Jamie. So he's. As I said before we're small time crook. And he's discussing being wheel man for a robbery and jewelry store, however a little bit. He says, you know, I just gonna drive the car I'm going in. I wanna gone. I'm just a driver. They get their he's given revolver he's told to go in. She goes sideways walks out with a briefcase of jewels and gold SaK, Mike Moriarty automatically gets hit by tax loses. All the loot. Oh, man. So like bitty small saying give you the loot. Gimme the loot. Well, he lost the loot on the middle of frigging canal street in Chinatown, the hustle and bustle near SoHo couldn't find the loot and. Of course, he's got societas after him very lewd. Did you take it for yourself, which is classic? You know, Phil, nor staple. And so as he's trying to escape not just the law. But as well as these mafioso associates, assuming there mafia ever has probably ever telling him cast aspersions. Right. He runs up this. He runs up the Chrysler building. And that's where he finds this gigantic nest that obviously is not meant for a garden variety pigeon. I mean and not only that but the nest is occupied. There's this incredible skeleton that you tell was nimble the nod on the skeleton, it's a some Bater was picked off new. Earlier and he takes off the bracelet. Because again, he's got no shame. And yet these killings continue and still continue. You have construction workers victim of this of the serpent you have an incredible scene because he's killing from above. Right. So this is death from above and blood is like raining down upon the people. You know, like, it's almost like a slayer record rating blood down the dentist. And the city is going into into chaos what's going on here. And of course, a lot of the exposition. There were getting is your favorite exposition newspaper headlines newspaper headline, however to Larry credit, he's much smarter filmmaker than the most it's not the spinning newspaper. It's just a newspaper headline. Yeah. I was gonna say speaking of headlines, I was preparing for this movie. Something came across. You know, my. I think it was g mail or God knows what you know. When you log off your Email. You get these new stories it wouldn't have otherwise seen. And there was a story in Arizona. But a puppy that got picked up by an Al and dropped in a in a Gulf course, this is so fucked up like this poor puppy gets set upon by this Wayne beast and drawing off some winging. There's something so bizarre and freaky about like wing predators. Like, I remember seeing like poking around YouTube this eagle that went after a wolf, and it was like a wolf was fighting back. And there's something coming from above this is so terrifying. And I had to laugh when the the nude Sunday there was picked off and it just yeah. The stop motion squawking creature coming in and just. Ler cone is doing so much with a creature. That's very sparsely used almost like Bruce from jaws. To his credit, but. It's a testament to the on Genuity of king Cohen because much of the impression we get of this predator. This. Athlete of what is dragging. You wanna call? It is amazing aerial shots. Midtown Manhattan with the camera swing year round and around it, which is meant to replicate flight pattern of the bird. In addition, we see shadow, and then we, you know, the shadow of the serpent up against the building. And when we do see the creature. It's either a gigantic model or its stop motion. I love stopmold such a soft spot in my heart for stop motion. Anything let's done by Harry housing. Love. In the Argonauts audit. I got a bit of a Harry house five from this. I mean think it Belialov Bassett ks. We've moved he was wearing to stop motion. And that's how you do it. You don't need. Tens or hundreds of million dollars in computer graphics. You need practical effects on canoe itty, and heart and love, and the honest will buy it and the audience bought this. So is this the point of the discussion where we talk about what we've learned because I've learned quite a bit. They really indeed there's so many little fun elements to this film, as you mentioned midtown Manhattan lost on canal street, which is a wonderful place to get like discount off big brand goods. Wanna Gucci bag? That's like maybe Gucci spelt G, H Y or something. But yeah, I thought it was just terrific. And remember that intersection actually that they focused on. The jewelry store that they ended up robbing where Jimmy is becomes a gunman instead of just the getaway, man. It's called Neil Diamond's. And it's like, Chris. Like, it's got to be some copyright infringement or something. But I thought this is so hilarious fantastic. And. Again. The Chrysler building is such an iconic piece of art deco shining glorious building in the fact that the fact that the spend a large portion of his movie going up into the needle which gave me vertigo again. Like, I couldn't take it. And there's all these shots with public or to. And the lengths to which Cohen goes to have Jimmy lure his antagonist to that place. Which is also the place where this bird is setting up its nest though, there was so many interesting layer busy. Earlier on the film, as we said, you know, because of Jimmy absconding with these jewels. And with these Google is going after him, and so Jimmy being the lowest scumbag that is figures. Okay. Well, how am I going to get rid of this? Sqi? They're after me problem any Lurs. To New Jersey Goumba stereotypes up to the top billing and Q then swoops down east both of them and the glee the more Michael Gari almost like childlike. And in fact, she was like, yes, they're eating my enemies. I love it. It just goes to show. It might have been the first time in his life. Anything was. Anything really going right for him because he is really a total mess, and there's also a little subplot that has him shacking up with this woman who I don't know maybe she's attracted to the bad. Boy, he doesn't strike me as a particularly tough one. But she's got this incredibly elaborate spacious beautiful apartment, always say ending their time. We see a movie set of New York City or always incredulously how they can afford this pretty gotta be rent controlled because someone didn't article about like what the friends apartment would actually cost and they compared it to Dr Frazier. Cranes possessional penthouse. How do these people Ford this sort of maybe these were different times he was lucky to be the beneficiary of her goodwill? He was crashing their up to a point of until the point where he's obviously wanted by police and she turfs him, but it was a little their interplay was so fun as well. Speaking of interplay, you mentioned about the fact that like this may be the first time and Jimmy Quinn's life when things are going, right? And that's definitely played up. Because this is a guy that's been shit on over and over and over again, it's always a little guy. He's always a small guy. In fact, maybe the chronologies game will accept my head. But when we first meet him when he's additioning at the piano bar. Oh, fantastic. Michael moriarty? I mean this. Yeah. We're going to big him up because he's anytime any tensions related Canadian content. We're gonna build up he's Canadian I believe released holds dual citizenship. And he's a. A musician in his own, right? And he. Oh. We already use his abilities to great effect because he's trying to secure extra work through his through a connect this local bar, and he Tinkle's the ivories, and he he I don't know to whom this would appeal. He's playing the sort of weird free jazz. This. Ski putting the scattered scatalogical thought it was really shit. But that's how while x with shepherd the detective and who's looking at is in the same bar on this. They connect in shepherd says I really dig your talents man or something what I was what I learned and continue at Quinn's bar piano, playing as terrible as it was was miles miles better better than Ryan Gosling, LA La Land shit. When we're looking at like, white guys. I would take Michael Moriarty over Ryan Gosling any daily go. Well. Well, we certainly know Glenn Gould or Oscar Peterson to this guy's noodling. I gotta say like, proficient. He's a technically, proficient. Although he probably shouldn't sing along with it at the same time, and like all places this shitty. Dive bar probably in the east village. What audience this appeal to see maybe like you stick? Maybe like Sean toes on top of some shitty bar on singles night, and that could really work. Disturbing. Well, again, like to what you're saying is Michelle Pfeiffer riding on the PO gems. In gem sticking, there's always room for Shantou draped on top of his always hear you say the word Shantou's. I've just kick out of. So what else did you learn? Oh, well, I mean Jimmy's an enterprising guy and in exchange for his freedom because he eventually does get busted. And it's a spoiler here. Because he's implicated as part of this jewelry, heist ring he tries to exchange his freedom for information regarding this this wing Ed creature, and there's a wonderful scene over enunciate. Same. There's a great scene in a board room. Where it's maybe this the matter mayors, maybe the deputy mayor or something we says, listen, I've got information and his par for the course for procedural. He has inside information that the cops did not disclose publicly. So therefore that lens some credibility to him because he knows what has happened with some of these bodies that he's found so trying to earlier is the fact that this is a guy his whole life. He's been shit on he's been powerless. He's been nothing spending. Nobody why analii he's got the upper hand. He's he's going to use it. And he makes demands that are just. They always say like, you know, stratosphere eight for the stratosphere. And if you you know, you end up hitting the star. I don't know what the cliche is. Right. But these demands crazy life full amnesty twenty million dollars helicopter you name well in class action lawsuits when you put in a dollar amount. That's the judge who was responsible for reducing it. So it's like, you spilled McDonald coffee on your lap, eight hundred billion dollars judge decides, you know, we're gonna realistically give you like eighty thousand for maybe some bomb to put the women deserve that money. No, I'm serious. There was a documentary. See we just documentary know that coffee was beyond scalding one hundred eighty degree relief easy. And yeah, we hear all woman sues McDonald's because he spilled coffee, but if you actually watch documentary she suffered grew it was an old lady late seventies early eighties. She suffered grievous bodily hunkering because of the fact that this coffee was so above. Beyond what is considered normal for human consumption. So yeah, I mean, I it's it's become a stock yolks. Yeah. No. I mean after watching this documentary. I cannot recall the moment I remember seeing on Netflix five years ago. But I totally change my tune she every penny of that civil settlement. Well, what does this Moore movie deserve in terms of star rating? Well, as far as I'm concerned, I enjoyed every second of this movie. Whether it's Michael Moriarty sort of sweaty. She's like, you know, trying to like weasels way out of this predicament or that predicament. Whether it was a procedural of shepherd or Powell whether it was the numerous incredible plucking up. You know, rooftop. Somebody these spas. What have, you know, friends in high places to girth Brooks, right? All the kills all the flake corpses. All the aspects mumbo jumbo this film. Never underestimate the power of flayed corpse and never underestimate the power front athropologists and matron. They always know what the always always I go. They know this is pre internet. So you can't research someone's particular interest just go in and you hope that the anthropologist does you're the guy who speaks for the entire university. Is evidently familiar athropologists get tenure because. To explain these crazies phenomenon. Yeah. The Margaret Mead of the anthropology set can always be found in cannibal movies can always be found here. I love the setting. I love the Genuity. I love the camera work. I love the claim ation. I love almost everything about this movie to the point that I'm not going to give it five stars. Because that's that's reserved for you know, like the classics Las IX, but I'm going to give this one four and a half stars heartedly now with your own Genuity is anything like an engineer or. I was going to also say get this four star. And I was going to also throw in maybe driller killer another movie that just gets into the down and dirty of Saint marks place. What would have been happening when all these acts were springing forth, and it's creative maelstrom that was taking place in New York City at the time. So it's amazing because as I was going through those films. I was talking. I was about to say thriller killer. I didn't get that vibe as well. So yeah, men, this is the highest combined rating, we've granted of bestowed on a film for I would say months months I've ever and I'm like, no. Have that we keep this rating close near near dear to hearts, there are certain really top of the food chain top door movies that you're like top. Let's say slasher is going to be. I'm gonna throw in maniac is my top slasher. But even that I don't even know if I would give that a five star. Maybe there is no five star movie, and that would be the best horror movie ever. We'll reserve that for whenever that's created and directed, but I'm gonna give this. Yes. If not a foreign quarter. I'm I'm so enthused by this. It's too bad that we lost lyric Cohen. But at least he was able to contribute so much in relatively long lifespan. I mean, again, all his movies are so so much fun, and he had such cultural impact beyond what people perceive these dumb schlocky movies. He added always televised all the material like you said before he would take concepts that on paper sounded as dumbest can be and somehow made it maybe interests spirits as well. Because we have a dumb book that smart where you have weird weapons in horror movie movies, but we turn that into a reference book that we feel stands the test of time if we can be so bolt immodest if we will we it's dumb concept, but it's a great resort. You came up with the concept. Thanks. It's like people it belies the sophistication they're in. I think and I mean, that's probably a good way to sign off on his movies because they all did that. I mean Caesar had a real not to get enough tangent. But real dignity to it that maybe some of the other blanks. Patients didn't at an amazing soundtrack by James Brown. One of the best. I would say ever in the John row with this. One of my favorites called down out in New York City was incredible tracks, let's fall apart together tonight in this movie. I didn't love that to hell up in Harlem. Incredible all his movies are phenomenal. Like when when the baby pops out in it's alive. I was like man this is so cool the posters off the charts dialogue, solid the guy. Just what can you say? Well, rested peace maker of this crackerjack project rest and peace and thank you for giving us such an incredible body of work and for those. Those that are listening who may not have seen queueing serpent. You you're to yourself to do. So and you get yourself to delve deeper and deeper into the world of Larry Cohen because it's just a treasure trove. I personally have not seen the documentary Colin, but I'm dying to see it not. But that's definitely on my radar Mr. colon. I thank you. Thanks for the memories. And we hope we're on your radar with new episodes of the podcast. So we'll continue bring you fun, John and horror films every Friday for your listening pleasure. And we'll talk to take.

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