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"harrow baynes" Discussed on Longform Podcast

Longform Podcast

06:59 min | 1 year ago

"harrow baynes" Discussed on Longform Podcast

"And that was so either in the realm of the big idea or in this sort of like particulars of your youth and the way you understood your family in your place in it. Were the things that you were surprised by or did you sort of know where all the bodies were buried at uncovered a law. I think that was retrospectively. 'cause you have a lot of time after you finish your book to reflect on what the hell the just created even as you hold your breath because you of course have no idea how it's going to be received sensually you've just spent an agonizing period of time trying to create a masterpiece on the side of a grain of rice. He's gonna be bothered about that the end of the day and so you worry. How is it going to be received and you will see reflect on the process. You've been into. At least i did and i was surprised. I thought we saw was quite thought person. And the book i think is having believably optimistic joyous and started interrupting. But i've i read a bunch of interviews that you did about the book before we talked and in the interviews you keep talking about how dark liverpool was. But that's like not really in the book where it is but it's like it's all sub-text you know what i mean like. It just felt like there was some gap there to me you know. The book is optimistic at the leave. Our dogmas come with light. That's a very profound statement of stolen for may premier league football club mortar. I'd made a film about them. And i was desperate for them to tell me that motta was actually austin shakespeare. No we made here the cloth say. It believe donna. I mean you have to fight. You have to fight for that light. I mean ultimately to me. That's the human condition when i cover sports whatever. The sport is our blessed to cover so many different sports me of law of nhl nfl stars. Who come on the show our and roaches. Jj watt at the andrey hopkins ton of the nba players and the ones. I'm always drawn to. I realized plays i. Alex cora sake for the lakers he was just discarded. Disregarded was on the on the brink of poland or germany and they stay ground is way. Ground is way to become a world. Champion with the los angeles lakers. And i do korea do ramos. A human being adore him as as an athlete. Adore is life narrative. And i try and tell stories in sports transcend. Sports sports is best when when sports transcend sports and the most common theme. That's so common that my production partner jonathan williamson. He's always going to be careful. How many times you use the word. But i can't use it enough. I use it all. Tenacity tennessee to maiden similar to my work is about human tenacity. That valley perseverance of driving on woods of grinding. You weber cannot believe life is about dawn s and happiness believe that nothing is given everything you fight for and how you operate moments of doubt and ultimately define so took a law as a professional about tenacity. What i've never linked that to before with my own biography. And i'll be honest with the because you're asking questions. I never get austin too. I never talk about this. And i said to you before the shareware ba i this book is he talking about myself as a jewish guy and then english guy. I'm filled with a double dose of self loathing. But what did surprise me when i read the book as not being about. Maybe just read it as a book. How bloody tenacious. I was in fleeting moments of real awfulness met. This should happen. Man like pretty relentlessly made. This should happen. Could ask you a question which is a to philosophical and or doesn't make any sense. But can you articulate the connective tissue between tenacity optimism. Tennessee is the process and optimism is the motivator or i can only speak for myself like ultimately and again. I've always thought about myself as a truly dull person. I come from a fairly dark place. Liverpool all the sports teams i root for all of them chicago. Baz everton football club. It's a great achievement of my life to make all my kids everton fans it's a premier league team and chicago bears fans in the nfl. But why would you work so hard for that. Why would you did such a miserable thing you've done to them and ultimately i do love that feeling of every year this is going to be all year building a case for hoop and exports gives you that muscle to constantly relayed of hope even though evidence points to the opposite. I've taught my fifteen year old cargo invited to throughout the first pitch at the chicago white sox and it was beautiful. It was deeply meaningful. Abe is like prove to me that we're all on the conveyor belt of life. I i went to the white sox as a fifteen year old kid and fell in love for baseball chess with chewing tobacco. And then to be there with my oldest in this movement that was like again reminded moolah shuffling along the convertible of life. But i didn't know what to do with the winning the chicago white sox are so bloody good. This said that i was i. Don't take away. My losing to tenacity is the process. I think for me. I've realized someone thinks about themselves is very dog. Ba- zoli optimism is is a be thrown out like a optimism or is it just steely determination. It's one or the other about that. The drivers i didn't realize you just threw the first pitch of the white sox game it was what the fuck would young raj think of that. A law about that they about young wrote. You think i went to comiskey park. I was completely enraptured. It was the first baseball game. I went to the cubs. Two days later but i was already completely committed and in love harrow. Baynes and i. I don't know what young roach would thought. Think younger didn't in liverpool and you level lawyers have ni lived level doctors and you live level light insurance people in new york occasional. Dentist we didn't they all say so. It wasn't like television presenters just walking round. There's one guy. I forget his name who you mentioned who is like a liverpool college alum yet. Who's held up as like you could make it. It'd be like this guy but no one ever really will too so even rattled. Famous conduct went to liverpool. Close truth. is he went there for about eight months and then it was terrible and went somewhere else. He's got the shit beat out of him and left and then there was yet then. There was There was this guy who is a television. Sports correspondent who was in the book. What happens to him. I did find pleasure. Somebody sent me the wikipedia. There's some list of famous old liverpool college old. Lithuanian and i am on the list. Now roach bennett writer. Whatever and underneath may remember the guy's name but the person underneath me in the famous ever liverpool college people is now making his name. His name is joan will break murder.

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"harrow baynes" Discussed on View from the Cheap Seats

View from the Cheap Seats

02:40 min | 3 years ago

"harrow baynes" Discussed on View from the Cheap Seats

"The next psychic friends network is so good and Tony is predicting right now that I'm lifting this one. The Tony Romo should open up his own ribs joint college Roma's ribs. All right. And it should be just every rib should be broken. So so I wanna talk about because you're a baseball guy too. And I know you know, it be not to. But I know, you know, a shit ton about baseball because this was just announced was the hall fame induction big class this year. Let's let's let's talk about that a little already gone over the Harold Baines of it all which is. Yeah. I mean, which is just crazy that like everybody in the hall of fame is like you've now just made this way cheaper. You've cheapened it by putting Harrow Baynes at well. Herro Baynes Hera Baynes what he's basically in as a pinch hitter. Isn't it? I mean Webster in before him share. But you know, look. On jeopardy was good. He wasn't great to me hero Baines is like Jim Edmonds. What I think is interesting about this year is that basically the writers of years ago where like we not gonna put anyone in from slights starts. And then this you were like, oh, no one for sowards. Yeah. 'cause like Barry Bonds not being in is very not being in and then not being punishment, by the way, it's a punishment for both those guys because the truth of the matter is, and I think they should be punished until their final year of the eligibility. Nata village ability of the. The veterans thing I think they should be punished that long because the truth matter is bare bones, you should be punished why because without steroids. You would have been one of the greatest players of fee. Nationally, Ken Griffey would have been five hundred home runs. Four hundred five hundred home runs. He would have had five hundred stolen bases. He would hit three thousand two thousand RBI. Also, if you look at the voting trends, it's not a steroids. Devalues those players. It has devalued the home run home run statistics, even for players who have not one who have not been proven to have used steroids like Andrew Jones entered owns four hundred. Okay. So we're on this list of this Email chain, which on this thing before with tons of old athletes. Tons of like, it's I tell me Andrew Jones is on your Email. He's not on. But like some big Reggie Jackson's been in like been invited. Mike Ditka's been in in this list of allowed schwa- Schwab. And I think so it's like a it's a weird mix of right wing and left wing. It's. It's fascinating. We choose to stay on. Chooses down. Even though we at times get into deep deep fights with social sure, but we just got into discussion today someone my bar, buddy. Kevin Wheeler who is sports talk radio guy in Saint Louis amazing..

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"harrow baynes" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

KNBR The Sports Leader

10:30 min | 3 years ago

"harrow baynes" Discussed on KNBR The Sports Leader

"Hey, you know, for six months, you know, that stuff all matters. I think when you when you're when you have when you carry the responsibility of voting for this thing, it's a huge thing. What we'll transition into something a lot more enjoyable, and that's the warriors. But because they cut back how many years you could be on the ballot from fifteen to ten Clements bonds have threes of on ballot eligibility remaining bond sits at fifty nine percent. We'll just we'll stay with him because that's all anybody out here really cares about he's making progress. But it is small progress is Barry Bonds running out of time to be put into the hall of fame via the old fashioned. Hey, you voted in. And now, you're in an until the hall of fame, and I'm asking obviously to speculate if it were still fifteen years as it had been delinked to time, you could be on the ballot as it had been up until twenty fifteen if it were fifteen years, do you think bonds in schilling or bonds and? Clinton's would get into the hall of fame the old-fashioned way as it stands now with only three years left. Now, I don't think he'll get in the vicinity is just creeping along people are set in their ways and a few people who've come over to the other side of Peter gammons. One of the great baseball writers of all time was a an antibody guy. But he's seat switched over decided. It wasn't about him anymore. If you if you add five years, I think he might have a chance I've always thought that in the future. They'll be a different viewpoint on performance enhancing drugs. Some of them might be legal just the way things work. You know, is it might be a little unsavory. But I just think that the the hardline stance against performance enhancing drugs is gonna stop. Will it soften a little bit in the future? I don't know if that's twenty years from now. But if you tack on five years for bonds at that greatly enhances his his his chances berry has to get himself. A group of people that Cape for him really hard like Harrow Baynes had for him. Cronies man. To get him to get him. A Tony Tony LaRussa. You gotta get somebody. That loves you so much they'll put you in the hall of fame. Even though we like you but hall of fame, man. I don't know about bonds. I mean, you could even picking all giants cats, and they might not vote them in. They knew what more than anybody. What what a bad guy. He was he's he's not. He's a complicated guy. You can be absolutely delightful and has been since his retirement, but he he put a game face on during his playing days, and it never changed. And it was it fueled him. And you know, that was that's all right. Did we all witnessed greatness? Yes. Is there a place for greatness is supposed to be enshrined? Yes. They're not putting them in there. Then that's their hang up. All right moving on. Obviously the warriors they were playing well before DeMarcus cousins officially became a part of the mix the warriors playing well. And now they have this this this new toy and DeMarcus cousins, what has been the part of cousins is game. And I will only talking a couple of games and fifteen sixty minutes he's game. But has there been a parts of DaMarcus cousins game that has surprised you after seeing him play for for close to year of an activity due to tear net. Achilles. Well, the the main thing that surprised me as how how good he is right away. It's nowhere near as good as he was or is going to be but to take a year off with that injury. A big guy like that and come back, and he looks. He looks good. Yeah. He's he's movements. Good. He you know after a night of a lot of lateral movement. He doesn't wake up the next going. Oh, man. I can't practice today. No, no back to back for me. I mean. That was the most impressive thing in terms of his game itself. I just think it's a reminder to people that he gets, you know, passing screening hitting the cutter seeing the seeing the floor what everybody's doing, you know, real good passer, real smart court and court vision kinda guy, and that's that's the whole key to his settling in with the warriors. If you bring in a guy who just wants to do just wants to score whether it's inside or out. That's that's just too much. But he's the guy ever twenty seven points a game. But he can be a damn good facilitator to listen, I, you know, I like everyone who who watches basketball, you knew that cousins could score and I had forgotten and I was quickly reminded that. Oh, yeah. When you throw him the ball, and he has that shot their to take he will take that shot. You know, you think about his catch and shoot ability and even his first game you'll be in three or four from behind the three point line. Like, oh, that's right. That's why he is what the best scores in the NBA over the. The last few years prior to tear net. Achilles. Because you could tell you inside and he could kill you outset. And while he might have been taking a lot of ill advised threes when near threes right for him or the catch shoot variety. He can make him. I did not realize that he was as good and as willing of a passer as as he is and to see him cousins, you know, with the forces enough good how many assists yet in the in the last game. But also, no turnovers to you know, just that ability to you know, because there will be some big guys who okay fine. They want to pass they know how to pass, but they don't have the hands. They can't handle the ball. He's got the hands. He's got the skill set from from head to toe. Yeah. I think when you get to the play offs the on the big issue is, you know, don't don't have him fouling out. You know? He's very fell a little bit clumsy, which which you can expect from a big lumbering guy coming off a surgery like that. But you know, I think you know, he he'll work on that. And some of the fouls. He's drawing we're not exactly agree. Just so, yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. It really is. You know, just to see curry and Durant is standing and applauding and beaming as he came off after fouling out of the game. They're just delighted, and that's another big part of this is that everybody is kinda jacked up with what this means. And letting people know that this guy is is not only a hell of a player, but he's a pretty good deal to if you put him in the right circumstances. And you know, we'll there's a long way to go. We'll see what actually happens, but you know, right now, I think they needed a little boost of motivation and energy into something different. You know to keep them interested in boy, they have it. We are talking to chronicle columnist moves Jenkins. He's joining us. Courtesy of the guest line here on kmby are six eighty sports leader. When you've won eight games in a row, and you are mashing the gas on people. And now you have this edition of DeMarcus cousins when you're doing all these things. Well is the warriors. Are it puts a lot of of the past especially when the past is not good in certain instances inputs that way back in the rear view. But boy, it seems like that situation between Draymond Kevin Durant which credits both of those guys and the organization around him, but they both handled that like adults or they actually sat down and talked to each other. Differences out, and they they went about it professionally like adults like men, but that situation seems like millions of years ago or the Christmas day lost to the Lakers or loosened to the rockets blowing that twenty point lead, which was probably the it was maybe it was the lowest point. It was definitely the most recent low point you just think back to what Steve Kerr said we're just not as up here for he's not playing with any joy. Now. Maybe that's on me. I mean, they couldn't be any more joyful now. If if if you descript at this thing out the way that they were playing, but also just the way that they're getting along which I do think translates to how they play on the court. I mean, all of that right now is just imperfect sake. Yeah. Durant and green, you know, have a have a pretty long history as friends, and you know, guys who look out for each other made green re recruited him, you know, from the get-go. He was he was instrumental in the final actually locking him up. Those guys are close they're not they're they're different different kinds of cats, and they bicker sometimes, but they always get back, and that was a nasty one, no doubt. But I mean, I my take on that the night that we found out about it was that, you know, time is gonna take care of this given the history that they have it's not like these guys have hated each other for the minute. They met each other. And this is the light. And then there's gonna be more of this. And there might be some more some more. But I guarantee it won't be to the level that had happened, Dan. I think they both learned that you know. Hey, let's this is not not becoming. It's not what either of us really is. And and they have it's made it it seems to have made him stronger yet another scary prospect for the. Opposition Marcus Thompson of the athletic. He's a friend. So we Cape for him. And also insiders he's a really good sort of deep dive on Kevin Durant and Draymond. And how they have overcome this issue and of Klux of it is they sat down and they talked. They doubt out there each individual opinions. And then they went from there. It's amazing that that doesn't happen more often. But then again, maybe it isn't so amazing real quick, Bruce before we let you go. What did jump back to the giants? What are your expectations for them this year? I look at it as hey, man, they're rebuilding so progress from there, but I'm not expecting them to to to win eighty five games. If they do great. I'll be happy to be wrong. But they're rebuilding. What are your expectations? Yeah. Pretty much. I I don't have any really lofty expectations at all. You know, we we every. Everybody all your listeners know, the reasons why you know, they're they're in they're in aging team, the young guys haven't been that great. They've got a new general manager. They're taking a step by step. I I don't think they're gonna make a big splash for Harper. And I'm not sure even that would that would do the trick. I think it's smarter to do a bunch of lesser things. You know Pomeranz is a good pickup. Nobody's nobody's done anything. Really? That's the thing right now. Right. I mean, you say well, the giants haven't done anything. Well, nobody's really doing anything. They're all kind of waiting for the for the dominos fall on on Harper Machado and some of these guys. And and I think that'll make it a little more clear on what the giants thing to do. But the fact is I think you mentioned this the dodgers been helpful if they get real real new toe, and and then you know, trade Peterson get some more pieces..

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"harrow baynes" Discussed on The Tony Kornheiser Show

The Tony Kornheiser Show

04:12 min | 3 years ago

"harrow baynes" Discussed on The Tony Kornheiser Show

"The promo code to see who's listening and who's buying they keep track keeping your toes. Yeah. They track of how many people, and that's what they do. And then they decide that they want advertise again Brooklyn, and these really are the best sheets ever. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. We got this note from how Durant who says this is how Seattle you have been good enough to play a couple of songs for my band. The almost faithful and the reaction has been fantastic, though, not quite enough to book a tour to Europe. We're seeing some good turn out for shows. We've been got one with cheese Aretha last show. Wow. Anyhow, if I recall Tuesday's normally to Tuesday's on the pond, I have no idea how that short. So I thought I'd sit in two more songs from recently released album, human nature. The first song is called I disappear. The second song which we will play later is quote because it's too Tuesday. Well, it's to win two for Wednesday is big blue dervish both are up tempo. Rocks full of melancholy ruminations of what could fun stuff anyway. So this is the almost fateful you'll hear them. And then you'll hear them at the end of the podcast. Richard Justice them will be dot com. Genius union. So let me get we're going to talk about the hall of fame. Almost exclusively Mariana Rivera went in unanimously. Why didn't you vote against them? If I voted I honestly would have to keep the tradit- said this on the show last night. I would have voted he's getting in. I would've voted against the why didn't you? Lifton the ballots are now made public a week later. And there's a guy named Ryan tip though that he attracts the ballots as they're submitted. You sent him your ballot. And there's pressure to do that. I know a bunch of guys that didn't want the ballots made public, and I just think there's a shaming process to it. So people would say to me, you know, Rivera's going to get in you feel strongly about let's say that Lance Berkman should stay on the ballot. He he didn't get enough to stay on. Why wouldn't you have a strategic bowel? Yeah. No. Because the next day you're going to get a call and this actually happened from dick young when he was alive, the new York Daily News, and it's going to say I'm going to slice you and dice you into a million pieces tomorrow in my column this actually happened. Once a guy that didn't vote for Mickey Mantle got a call from dick young. You don't he said to the guy he said, I just don't believe anybody should go in on the first ballot. Dick young. So there's a shaming process to looks eleven people didn't vote for Babe Ruth when they were counting the ballots in nineteen thirty six they actually stopped the ballot counting. What are we doing out here? Man, come home me. So I will tell you. And I said this on PTI, I think it's a quaint an honorable tradition. It never kept anybody out. And always gave you something to talk about SMARI on Rivera's a first ballot hall. Of course, he is. But I'd have taken the bullet on that one. Just because I. You wanna be that guy? You get the call from say New York, and since you you didn't vote for Tom Seaver? Can you explain that? Well, actually, I can't explain it. All right. So so there's no question that even though this is a relatively new position invented pretty much. Tony LaRussa and Dennis Eckersley that Mariana Rivera's the best ever. So he's in. And nobody would argue that he's the sure thing. Three other people got in yesterday. Edgar Martinez designated hitter. If it was up to me, I think I would have had David Ortiz as the first designated hitter. I put in Mike Messina and ROY halladay, and I'm not sure Richie. I don't know who you voted for. I'm not sure that any of them again. And I say this a lot is it's not the whole of the very good. It's not it's the greatest players of all time Harrow Baynes. He's the Tracy McGrady of the hall of fame in in this. Now, Tracy McGrady should not be in the hall of fame, and you should not. And hell Baynes shouldn't be can't did you vote or do you justify Martinez Messina and halladay? I'm a big hog..

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"harrow baynes" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM

Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM

13:14 min | 3 years ago

"harrow baynes" Discussed on Xtra Sports Radio 1300 AM

"It's just. I'm directionless when it comes to the hall of fame now for baseball. And that bothers me why. Partially directionless, not as a pertains to steroids. I've solidified my stance on that. Yeah. But my baseball, compass, which I always really trusted always enjoyed bringing out in the middle of January get ready to get warm spring training. Not too far away. You could feel who's a hall of Famer who's not in your right until Harrow Baynes was put in and now I don't really know what to expect. So it's really hard that. I can't mount a passionate defence for or tell you what I think will happen. Bariatric copies. We to get in one hundred percent, you might ROY halladay is going to get in. Edgar is going to get in on his follow year on the on the on the ballot. I think it's probably going to be three if it's a fourth. I think it's going to be Mike Mussina. Why would not put in yet some disagree with that? Like, I know who's gonna get in. And you know, who's not like Fred McGriff, not getting it. Friday's not. He's not getting a question for you down the line when the today's Eric today's game, whatever the veterans committee. Completely useless exercise. And other reason why I'm frustrated like how do you really invest, and there was a point? And you'll now I know somebody the numbers, I don't even have to do it. But there was a point. I mean old school, you know, legal pad in crunching numbers. You know? And and and really starting I took this really seriously. And I still take it seriously. But it's it's it's. The warriors are so muddied that I I've lost a little a little zest for for the process. So the Baseball Writers Association of America's ballots will be revealed tonight. The hall of fame will be announced at about six o'clock, or so it'll be a big buildup in MLB network will do a couple of hours of talking about all these things as well. But from a larger from the thirty thousand foot perspective BT because I think this is this is the interesting conversation. How did it get to this point with with you and other purists Email? You're not like a full purist per year of your more in that vein than I am you understand the numbers? And you know, who should if if you get the three hundred wins or if you hit five hundred home runs, or whatever whatever the benchmarks benchmarks, exactly. It kind of became the starter for the conversation. And then you say what kind of player were you know, what I mean that was the starter. Then what kind of player were you? How did they get to the point where it feels like it's arbitrary or insignificant to guys like you guys like me who's not who's who didn't love baseball really until I don't know five years ago, maybe before five years ago, I watched it was a big Atlanta Braves fan because they were on all the time down in south West Virginia. But I didn't love baseball until I really started to dig into it a couple of years ago. And so when I look at the hall of fame, it's going, okay? I think Mark I was a hall of Famer he should get it. Right. I I think ROY holidays a hall of Famer he should get in. But I don't care about the minutia. How did how did MLB and the Baseball Writers Association or all of them? Collectively lose you. Because there's a lot of you. I question it is. But how did it happen? It can't just be overnight. I can begin answering it that way. It didn't happen overnight. L? Listen, the steroids was that was the big big thing for sure. Yeah. I also think as you mentioned the benchmarks, but you don't want a lot of ways five hundred home runs is probably more like five fifty or six hundred. So that's even become blurry. You know, the three hundred wins and all the strikeouts. I mean, that's that's kind of gone down twice somebody like ROY halladay somebody like Mike Mussina, certainly ROY today. I think possibly today, but certainly eventually Mike is going to get in. It's unfair even CC, you know, he's not gonna get three hundred wins. Yes. Not going hang around that long. But you know, if you watched his career, I mean jeez coming up with the Indians. And obviously when he was dealt to the brewers then coming over to the Yankees and winning the World Series in two thousand nine being as having sick numbers CCC bath, you seventy percent of his career has been hall of fame worthy for sure even though he won't have the requisite numbers. So I think that that's part of it. I think so the numbers have been distorted number one number two you've got multiple generations weighing in now on this because you've got the older guard that is beginning to retire for the process, so to speak you've got this new age of certainly baseball enthusiasts and and journalists who who may be viewed differently. See you've got a little bit of a mixture. I don't know that there's a lot of common ground and solve that. No one way. Maybe to solve ahead question. You were a great student. Right. Have you ever came home with a with a? What was your subject have one bit straight as? So how it economic? What was your worst subject Abbas? Okay. Same here. What was your best? Probably English actually same here. Now, if you came home with a seventy five in English, right? Would your parents be really enthused in I know? Okay. Not at all. No, exactly. So I think till I cut to the core of one of the main issues. Why is seventy five percent the number. Yeah. Like what in what in what the line of? Yeah. What line is C C solid. Blessed if you shoot seventy five percent from the free throw line. It's it's it's it's pretty good. It's not great at seventy five percent from three point line, which nobody does. Yeah. It's incredible. So seventy five percent, you need to slice it and provide the proper context if you get hit, you know, three or four times, you're the man. Nobody does that. Yeah. You're right seasons. Like that. You know, when Ted Williams sits four zero six George Brett hits three ninety and Tony Gwynn flirts with four hundred like why is seventy five percent, the number because at that was ever elevated all of these lower cases, you know, that the debate goes away. Burt bly get in. But what about Dale Murphy of just throw names out blood levins in Dell's not and Dell should not be unless they put him in. They put Harrow Baynes. And it makes us give this conversation meeting was again, you probably will why is it seventy five percent. That's a good question about seventy five percent. Of course, I don't know probably with the research thing, and nobody complained about I keep because he think about the number of baseball writers at there are and there are lots of them and you want to get a Representative sample a more likely than not. So it's gotta be significantly over fifty percent, right. But not not a hundred percent because that's impossible. Of course. Not. And so would also lead also want to build in some wiggle room. For personality clashes. I still believe that you could elevate seventy five percent. There's mitigating circumstances that you know, maybe a block of writers don't like a certain player. For a long time Zee half. What Jim wreck? In order to mitigate that bias. You don't make it close enough to one hundred hundred far enough away from fifty that it feels about right? It's it seems you're right. It does seem very arbitrary. But it doesn't it doesn't scream excellence. It doesn't it doesn't. I I don't I don't know. Now, at least with baseball, at least, we know the process, or at least, we know the numbers behind the process, right? Yeah. Yeah. You know for the NFL knows and basketball, though, I really have no idea. What do you put a uniform on today? Pops up at. Oh, that's right. Lonzo morning got voted into the hall of fame. Now. I'm not saying he shouldn't be. No, no, I hear you. And it also encompasses international play college. It's the basketball not the NBA. So that's very. Confound? The is the right word is, but there's not there's not many players in the NBA hall of fame where I look at. And I say that's not a hall of Famer. Yeah. But I'm doing that more and more with baseball. And that bothers me because I care about baseball more than the other hall of fame. Yeah. Well, it just means more to me. Can you find this out real quick? Wha what's the number of of of NBA hall of famers or Basketball Hall of fame? What's the total number and then find the total number for you try to find percentage of players to play in the NBA in the sense that because think about what you just said regarding the Basketball Hall of fame. It's almost like you can watch either have watched the games in real time or watch them on. I don't know. In old ESPN, whatever classic or whatever. Right. And you and you watch the guy over the period of his career like two guys baller. Simple simple phrase. He's a baller and he showed up the play for a decade and a half. And he was a baller whole all the time. And that's a whole Famer in basketball. You can't do that. With baseball baseball. Makes you work earned it with base. You have to earn it not shooting. You have to you have to understand you have to work hard to understand the process, but should be simpler. I think that's the question. Should it? Simple game. I think well it is. You know, see the ball. Catch the ball run the ball when you breathe it. It's simple. It's simple in that form. But, you know, baseball's been around multiple centuries. It's it's just different. I it's I dunno. I, you know. The numbers. So in basketball, there are total of three hundred eighty nine inductees. Okay. Football three hundred eighteen which is surprising picking by how many people are on a football roster and how much bigger football team is. That's just goes to show as we've been saying for a long time. They don't let enough guys in this report. You have those understand baseball. Oh, no. I know. But they were playing baseball in the eighteen hundreds the NBA and the NFL. Oh, yeah. I'm just I'm just talking about the. The NFL relative to the NBA. The NBA has seventy more inductees in the NFL NBA has nine players on a on a team. Ten at any given moment. Yeah. That's interesting. Little now. What's the total MLB MLB is three hundred twenty three total people two hundred twenty four of those players is executive managers, etc. That almost contradicts the the the ratio. It's very tiny very tiny. Yeah. I mean, if you show that to somebody, you would almost get the sense, man. They I mean, they are incredibly rigid with their standards. Yeah. You're not getting into the baseball hall of fame unless you were unequivocally the best of the best. But then, you know, no disrespect to Trevor Hoffman who. Okay got in last year. Great. He was a little bit eighty below eighty percent. I watch his whole career. I just I never thought Trevor Hoffman to my point. He's a hall of fame point. He wasn't that basketball narrative like Basketball Hall of fame where you say that guys the baller. Alan iverson. Detectives just the baller. Yeah. Right. You're not saying that about some of these guys that have actually ultimately made it into the baseball hall of fame. You don't you which makes it hard to baseball's also more specialized though, true you have to look at the the relievers. Now, the D H is that's why year. I mean, there's there's different components again. That's why baseball to have a real strong working feel for the baseball hall of fame. You gotta work because anybody, and here's the other thing too. You can you can watch the NBA. And there's a lot of guys. Listen, everybody's got a score on a bad team. Yeah. I mean every team has to score. So you can have a guy who averaged twenty one points a game on a bad team. And if he's not enough bad teams he might average over twenty points a game. But was he a hall of Famer in reality? No. But you know, years later the numbers tend to skew it and almost make it seem as if he was whereas in baseball you get enough to the batters box, and you could win one hundred and thirteen games as a team where you can lose a hundred and thirteen year either hitting two twenty two eighty three twenty three thirty like the numbers are. Are what they are. There's no real. I want to say that there's no circumstances because yes or be impacted or guys on in front of you. Do you get the dry? There are circumstances in baseball. But I believe it's more. It's more direct in in baseball. You can identify failure versus success a little more. I think I don't know if you guys disagree with that. I'm just really a disappointed really confused, and you know, I hate to eliminate Harold Baines is the guy but Harrow Baines road that for everybody. For everybody. Just real quick. Just looking at the history of baseball hall of fame voting right from nineteen Ninety-two all the way up to two thousand thirteen only one year did more than two guys get elected, right? That was ninety nine with nor Ryan George.

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